We're back. We're live. Here it is on a given Tuesday at the one o'clock rock and we're doing think tech tech talks with a fellow by the name of Lynn Muller and he is with international wastewater systems and joins us by Skype. Lynn, where are you exactly? I'm at my home here in Vancouver. Good. Love Vancouver. Wonderful, wonderful city. So you have invented something and we want to talk about that. It's a wastewater heat recovery system and you're using it. You've actually installed it in some buildings and I like this is and this is heat from sewage from raw sewage. Tell us how you know what your training was that you could identify this technology and then tell us how you actually identified it. Well, Jay, it's a kind of a long road to get here, but I started as a farmer and a very practical means of doing things. So I got into the air conditioning and heating business and then I got into the geothermal heat pump business and this just kind of led into the sewage heat recovery business. Okay, and then one day you decided that maybe we could do this from sewage.  Is this something that you knew scientifically or did you just think of it one day based on your farming and heat pump experience? Exactly. And from having three daughters and watching the shower run pretty much all day and on three. And my goodness, that old hot water tank's burning out every two years, so it must be working hard. So you figured that sewage would somehow be able to ferment and the fermentation would provide heat. And then you built and I've seen it on your website. You built this sort of Rube Goldberg contraption with lots of lots of pipes and tanks and the like and it looks clean from the outside. And at the end of the day, there it is. Let's take a look at that. What is this and what are the elements of it, Lynn? Well, Jay, we don't ferment the sewage or anything. We just clean it up. So we take warm sewage water and we take all the solids and particles out of it and we put it through that heat exchanger, you can see. And we just use the second law of thermodynamics that heat moves from warmer to colder and we recover the heat and we make it efficient by using a heat pump. So when we say we're four or five hundred percent efficient, that means for every dollar you spend, you get four or five dollars worth of energy back. In Hawaii where your electrical rate is very high, that's got to be a very appealing idea. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, we care a lot about energy in Hawaii. So let me understand the process though. The sewage is naturally warm. Is that what it is? Because this has just come from someone's bathroom. And using an exchanger, you exchange the heat out into something that's cooler and thereby make the second system of pipes warmer. What does the heat pump got to do with that? Well, the heat pump is like your refrigerator. And so when the inside of your refrigerator is cold, but the back of the outside is warm. So that's just moving the heat from one source to another and magnifying. So usable temperature. So we can heat up to a hundred forty degree Fahrenheit water. So that's the magnification process. That's what's interesting. How do you magnify this relatively small increase difference in temperature to a hundred and forty degrees Fahrenheit? Well, you do that. That's where my refrigeration training came in. As you absorb that energy into refrigerant, then you use the electricity to compress it and increase the temperature. And you do that very efficiently. So if that takes a certain amount of electrical energy, right? Exactly. But only one-fifth to one-quarter of the amount it would take to warm it up using an electric element. I see, I see. So the design you just showed us would heat the water for a certain number of units in an apartment building. How many units would that piece of equipment heat up, provide hot water for it? That one actually went into an apartment building with a thousand apartments. No kidding. Yeah. So what does that do, you know, numerically in terms of, you know, an outcome? What does that do for that thousand unit apartment building? Well, almost a megawatt of heating energy. So when you relate to electricity, it's taking a megawatt off the grid. That's fabulous. Yeah. And it would have gone down the drain out into the ocean? Yeah, sure. So now, when you're done exchanging the heat off the sewage, what happens to the sewage? Does that go into the ocean? I mean, where does that go? No, it just continues on its way to the treatment plant. And all we've done is remove the heat out of it. I see. It's that simple. The really appealing thing, Jay, is that it's the same heat every day. You use it, down the drain, you catch it, you use it again. Yeah. And the sewage is going to flow like it does in every other building down into the sewage system. Yeah. And we don't do anything to it. We don't do anything to it. As far as changing the state, we just change the temperature. So now in the building, this depends on the number of people who are using the bathroom in the building, right? It's all contained within the building. If everybody's on vacation in the Bahamas, then you're going to have fewer people using the bathroom. And therefore, the numbers have to change. Am I right? Well, only by the fact that it only needs whatever is coming down the drain. So one of the great things too is the source always matches the load. I see. So you can never have too little or too much. Right. Because you're turning this heat back to the same number of people. So if everybody is in the Bahamas, then there are fewer people looking for a hot shower. That's what you're saying. Yeah.  Sure it is.  So does that predictability play into it?  Are you keeping analytics? Who's going to the bathroom and when? Yeah, well, the human waste part of it is the very small part of it. But the overall occupancy, you could really count on it as part of your base load. So you don't have to think of it as alternative energy because it's predictable as it can be. I guess what you're doing is you're actually keeping the heat, the energy within the system. You're just not letting the heat escape and you keep on recycling the heat through all the systems in the building. Therefore, you don't have to buy new heat. It sounds elegant and simple. It's extremely simple.  Fabulous. Now, what is this? And by the way, this system does not require the whole building to be outfitted with new plumbing. You're just connecting it to the plumbing, right? That's correct. That's all you're doing. So the room we're looking at now on the slide, that is the only, that is it. That's your contribution to the systems in the building. That's right. I get two questions all the time. The number one is, if I put it in my building, will I smell it? Yes. The answer to that is absolutely not. It's completely sealed. And the second question is, what about two o'clock in the morning when everybody's in bed and there's no flow? Well, the answer to that is that there's probably no use for it at that time. But we also store it in the tank, so we have about half the day's flow stored. I see. So then you store it in the tank and then you put it through the system whenever you want. That's right. And I suppose that if this is not creating enough heat, you always have the possibility, in fact it probably included in the contention aspect of the system, that you can buy heat. You can buy hot water from... Exactly. ...wherever. Or you have a water heater. Am I right? Yeah, we'll have a backup water heater in case. They are machines, after all, and they will break down from time to time. They're very seldom, but you do have the contingency plan for it. Okay. I'm going to ask you my third question. I mean, the third question appears to me right after the short break. And I'll tell you in advance my third question. How much is this cost? We need to know what the pricing is, okay? We're going to take a short break. That's Lynn Muller. We're talking about wastewater heat recovery in Vancouver. We'll be right back. Thanks, Jake. Hi, my name is Kim Lau, and I'm the host of Hawaii Rising. You can watch me live every other Monday at 4 p.m. Aloha. Aloha, Howard Wigg. I am the proud host of Code Green Think Tech Hawaii. I appear every other Monday at 3 in the afternoon. Do not tune in in the morning. My topic is energy efficiency. It sounds dry as heck, but it's not. We're paying $5 billion a year for imported oil. My job is to shave that, shave that, shave that down in homes and buildings while delivering better comfort, better light, better air conditioning, better everything. So if you're interested in your future, you'd better tune in to me three o'clock every other Monday Code Green Aloha. And thank you very much. We're back. We're live with Lynn Muller, who joins us by Skype from Vancouver. And he has a company there called International Wastewater Systems, engaged in a discovery he himself made, which is wastewater heat recovery. And he's got an installation or two in some large buildings there in Vancouver. And we've seen some pictures of these these these setups. And really remarkable. And I was wondering how big is it and how much is it cost? Well, there's sort of custom fit, Jay. So there's a range of price from $50,000 to, you know, several million. But the common thing is you can expect to recover your money in three to seven years. That's pretty good.  And it's easy to measure that because you just take the difference between what you would have spent with heating, heating fuel oil and the like, as against what you didn't spend while you had the system working. Well, absolutely. On your break clip, there was a gentleman on there every other Monday at three, and he was talking about energy efficiency. So we should be talking to him as well, because all the energy throw away and water feeding, you can get back in Hawaii. I don't imagine a lot of heat. Well, I wanted to ask you about that. By the way, that's Howard Wigg and his show on Monday is called Code Green. And he's interested in building codes and how to improve buildings through the use of smart codes, if you will. But so, you know, in Vancouver it gets cold once in a while. Not as cold as some of the other parts of Canada, but it's cold. And I, you know, what appears to me is that if you have a cold environment, like all across Canada and maybe all across northern US, this is going to be very valuable because, you know, you need a lot of heat in order for, you know, for residential and commercial buildings, for that matter, to operate at a reasonable cost. So what about Hawaii, though? We don't use heat here. We have hot water. I mean, you know, we have a lot of solar hot water and electric hot water and the like. But we don't need a lot of, you know, heating fuels and that, which you would find in North America. So is it still useful for us? Oh, absolutely, because you can air condition with it as well. So instead of moving heat out of the sewer, we can move heat into it. No modification to the system. It just follows the second law of thermodynamics where heat moves from warmer to colder. So heat from your building would move into the sewer system. And with water being a major issue everywhere in the world, saving that cooling tower water is enormous. I see. So it's the same principle, exactly the same. But it's in reverse. Absolutely. Are you taking essentially the cold from existing air conditioning, I suppose, and you're recycling the cold in the same way that you recycled the heat? Yeah, and saving the water. So we've got one job in New Jersey where we can save 60 million gallons of water a year by using the sewer system. Remarkable. So what is the extent of your penetration now?  But where else have you and you mentioned a thousand unit apartment house there. And on your site, there are photographs and videos of various buildings looks like in Vancouver.  Well, we've just finished our first major university in Scotland. So we converted the entire university from natural gas to sewage heat recovery. We just did one in Camden, New Jersey, in Melbourne, Australia. So we have now got worldwide operations.  It's a pleasure, Jay. Well, you know, there's no limit to where this can go. It can go hot, it can go cold. You know, as I was using a joke about the thermos bottle, the famous thermos bottle, and the rhetorical question about the thermos bottle is, has it no the difference? It's the same thing with your system. It doesn't need to know the difference. It's just equalizing. To give you an idea of the scale of the opportunity in the US is the Department of Energy in 2009 did a study that showed 40 billion dollars worth of energy is just put down the drain in the US every year. Yep.   And they should be coming to you from all parts of the world because you can save them so much money. Have you been, you know, have you been shy about your marketing? Well, we've really never marketed. So we have relied on word of mouth, etc. But it's not unusual to get calls from around the world every day. Yeah. Oh, that's great. You must love it, actually, to find an environmentally friendly, you know, community-based kind of operation like this, help everybody make the world a better place. And I just wonder, you know, so this has been going on for, what, at least a couple of years now, maybe more. Six years. Six years. And have you made refinements in your original design? Can we talk about what you might have changed? Well, we've got bigger. So when we first started, we couldn't imagine anybody need more than 300 gallons a minute going through their shark unit. Now we build a unit that does 3,000 gallons. So, and it's better, better all the time. You know, we learned by trial and error and we continually tried out. You, yeah, the shark. I remember that from your website. It's the shark. That's the name of the, so, so a larger building requires a larger unit. And the one we're looking at right now, how big a building is that? Well, that will do probably four or 500,000 square feet. That's quite something. Now, we also build a smaller unit, we call a piranha. We love the fish names for some reason. So we have one that'll do right down to 25 apart. My plan is to have a smaller one that'll do a single household and run on solar power. And I want to have that out next few years. Yeah, let's just review that possibility. In that case, you're not buying any electricity or heat. You have it all coming from the solar system. And then this will make the solar system that much more efficient by retaining the heat of the cold within the same, the container of that house. So this is like the perfect world when you put them together. Absolutely. And that's my goal is to be really green. As you can tell, I'm not exactly a 20 year old. So I don't have a 20 year plan anymore, but I have a very good five year plan. That's correct. Well, what do you want to do? What is that plan, Lynn? What will that look like? I want to have international wastewater be a truly sustainable company from top to bottom. So we want to have a group of young employees that can keep for their lifetime, be fulfilled and happy and productive. So we have some lofty goals. And every job has got a time stamp. So mine include, so anybody who's qualified could have any job. We haven't found it to be crazy enough to want my job, but I'm sure the day will come. I'm sure they'll be around. So what kind of maintenance does the equipment require? You mentioned earlier that once in a while, they do break. How do they break? And what do you have to do to prevent them from breaking? Well, as you can imagine, Jay, working in the sewer system with wipes and paper and coats and bricks and things that come down, regular maintenance is the key. It's not a high tech maintenance, but it has to be regularly performed. So we go once a year, we basically put all new parts in the shark. And then three times a year, we come in and check everything. So it's plan maintenance. We're so confident in the ability to service the human. We will give a 20-year fixed contract on the cost of service. Oh, that's great. So as you can see, it's done by manual maintenance by hand. It's very low tech. Now, what about, you know what, the thought does occur to me, and I think we need to cover this, is when you design something like this and you realize that it's so efficient, so effective, and has such great possibilities around the world, I'm hoping you have, I'm assuming you have some intellectual property on it, some patents. What have you got, Lynn? We have an international patent on the shark system itself. So oddly enough, Jay, though, there's not a lot of people racing into the business. Wait, wait until they find out, then they'll be interested. We have one competitor in Europe, and oddly enough, kind of our guys eat corn, can't figure it out. Sometimes low tech is elusive, you know. Yeah, you know, it takes a simple kind of farmer like me to pretty understand it. But we have, we have won numerous, numerous major international awards, so we're very pleased with our technology. That's great. Now, you haven't mentioned Asia that I caught, and I wonder if this is, this would be of interest, I'm sure it would be of interest. For example, in Japan, in Korea, and certainly in China, because they're interested in, you know, efficiency too. Have you had any nibbles from that direction? Well, we actively don't go to that market. Everything I've ever seen you take into their beach out of there and ruin your market, so we have no plans to go into Asia. Okay. Well, you'll see what happens. Now, what about manufacturing? Do you manufacture this in your plant in Vancouver? You said that each one has its own sort of custom design, but how do you get the pieces together? And are there pieces that can be manufactured in a central location? Well, we tend to buy a few parts from suppliers, but the vast majority of we manufacture in Vancouver, Leicester, England, and Malibu and Australia. The shark itself is built in Canada here, the rest of it we put together in other places. So interesting that you're doing this. Well, I wish you well. I think this is a fabulous design. You know, at first you wonder about, you know, getting heat through sewage, but the reality is it goes both ways, and it's a great technology you've found, and this sounds like it's exactly what the world needs. And I'm happy to have you here to showcase you on ThinkTech Tech Talks so we can learn more about it. And I hope we can check back with you in some months or a year and find out how you're realizing this dream, Lynn. Oh, thanks, Jay. And, you know, I really think the world is warming up, and if we could just reuse a third of the heat, I wouldn't like it. There you go. It's connected to global climate change and all that. It's the story of a hot product exchanging heat. You know what I'd like to suggest to you, Jay, is next time you want to do an interview, I'll come to Hawaii and they'll do it live at the studio. There you go. I'm going to make a note of that. Lynn Muller from Wastewater Heat Recovery. Thank you so much. Aloha.


Welcome to the complete collection of Dwayne Wade's great stories. Thank you to everyone who was super patient for this episode, this one took me a long time to edit and produce, 33 minutes for all of you guys to sit back, relax and enjoy. If you have missed any of the other episodes within this series, there is a playlist link on the top right corner of your screen and in the description box down below. If you click on that link you will find all the episodes within this series. Thank you to everybody who mentioned I should do an episode on Dwayne Wade. If you have any other player suggestions be sure to comment them down below and you might see those players in the next coming episodes. With that further ado all I ask is that you hit that like button if you do enjoy this series and this episode, subscribe if you are new to NBA content just like this one. With that further ado, welcome to the complete collection of Dwayne Wade's great stories. People try to write him off but he's one of the best players of all time. Probably the hardest guy I've ever had to guard of my career. He married just probably one of the best two guards to ever play the game. He was faster and quicker than what it seemed like. Like you know like you can watch somebody on TV and you're like okay. But when you get him in real time, like wait a minute hold on. I was a victim of one of them. Trash, that was definitely one of my top heroes of all time. For whatever reason never goes into consideration in the NBA. In every story, Act 3 is the most important chapter. The Miami Heat are on the clock. With the fifth pick in the 2003 NBA draft, the Miami Heat select Dwayne Wade from Marquette University. If I can do it all over again I would love to go five once again to Miami because it's a place where I feel I belong. In other words, Act 3 is where that hero becomes a legend. My name is Flash because I think he's the fastest guard in the NBA. Oh what a... In Act 1 of your story, you took the lead by storm. 04, because this would actually stop my trash talking towards players. So 04, they started the season off 3 and now we 2 and now, you know, and they asked me a question like how are you going to stop the heat? Stop the heat? Nobody worry about the heat. So we haven't seen him yet. I did it. Nobody worry about the heat man. I said, listen, they can't shoot. We're just going to sit on the zone. We good. Boop. Right? So I hear about what Gilbert say, you know, I'm not reading the papers, but someone tells me and I go look and I'm like, dang. So you know, like we got Brennan Haywood and Reed and it was like, ooh. He said, ooh. He's like, you said this? I said, say what? You said the way he couldn't shoot and I was like, nobody reads the paper. Okay. So I'm Mark on the counter watching the Wizards game 4. Big circle. Right? So and then like my first three games, I'm already probably like, I'm balling. Like my Arizona probably 30 at this point started the season. I was like, nobody reads the paper. You don't think he read it, do you? He was like, we're about to find out. I'm in my hotel the day that we're playing Washington. And I've been like, I've been using this, this quotes that he said to start this season and I'm actually just, I'm, I'm so ready for this game. Like I can't sleep. And my phone rings in my room and I'm like, I've never got a call in my room before. So I picked the phone up. It's Gil. You're right. I did call. Gil called.  You know, that's not what I meant. So far, so on. Whatever was said. And I'm like, I think of the phone like, no, not about to throw me off my, not about to throw me off. I'm going at Gilbert today. That's in my whole mindset. It was a Gilbert. It was about Gilbert. So this is what I've been waiting on all summer.  But I waited at the end to get that wait. I just remember I did call. I had no alias at the time. I wasn't like, nobody was checking for me yet. We go out of the game. And we are underway in Miami. Larry Hughes goes out for two minutes. He scores 16 points or I go to the bench. I think he read all of that. Do not, do not put me on that man. No more brother. I am not. I done learned my lesson. He was faster and quicker than what it seemed like. Like, you know, like you can watch somebody on TV and we're like, okay, but when you get them in real time, like, wait a minute, hold on, hold on, why am I, why am I guarding him? He's too strong. Like y'all was making it seem like he was 205, that is not a 205 like, I don't know what that is. That is not, this is not to say you don't have to put the big get back in here, Larry. So once Larry Hughes go out the game and they put Gilbert on me, I say, here we go. Gave us 37 in like 27 minutes. I was close to the 220. Yeah, I was like, Larry, you're too skinny for this man because I remember there was one play where we was pushing, so we was like, all right, we're going, he's killing us going middle, pushing baseline, like, all right, push me, we're going to push the baseline. Be there. All right.  So when people spin out of stuff, you didn't really, you didn't really know what to do. So he went baseline and spit, boom. He can dunk off spins too. What is this? He's spits, dunking off spins. He's dunking off splits. Y'all can't guard this man to the basket. Y'all can't guard.  I learned my lesson. I want to read a quote to you. This is Pat Riley talking about the combination of Shaquille O'Neal and Dwayne Wade. Dwayne respects the fact that Shaq respects and embraces him. That's where Dwayne is so different. A lot of young players come into the league and have no respect for greatness or for great players who have done it. Their relationship has flourished because of both of them cooperating to be part of each other's games and to look out for one another. It's become a very dynamic duo. So three championships, three finals, MVP you spoke to, if you ever got to the finals, you was going to dominate, you did that off to South Beach. What's that experience like with a young Dwayne? So when I got to Dwayne, I was like, I know you heard all the stories. It's your team. So we ain't lightly problem.  For me to be a dynamic duo is Shaquille O'Neal and people to see it happening so fast. I mean, it's only our second year playing together and it happened so fast between both of us because we both have came in and said we're going to do whatever we can together to get one thing and that's to get a championship ring. How do you and Shaq, I mean, I'm assuming and I pretty much know, I mean, y'all are very, very close. How did that happen? It's easy, man. You know Shaq. Everybody knows Shaq, man. It's easy to get along with him. But the one thing that we did have, we sat down when he first got to Miami and I first came back from the Olympics, we sat down and we had a conversation for an hour and talked about everything happening in LA. Why was it important to you to be so open about the issues you and Kobe had coming into that situation? Because when you don't know a person, you have to go to what you hear or what you see. So, you know, he don't know me. You just know that I got a problem with a guy that takes shots. He takes shots. So I said, listen, that's how it goes now.   First of all, he listens and he's a great player. I know in his leader, in order to win our championship, you have to have a great one-two punch. You hear those words from Shaquille O'Neal. How do you feel? You know, it means a lot. But imagine that as a young V Wade here in this motherfucker's head. I'm on your team, but it's your team.  That's crazy. I didn't even... It's not that I don't pay attention to guys. I just don't care. I got my own thing going on. I was the type of player that never paid attention to other players. So right before the playoffs started, Miami Heat was playing Charlotte. I didn't even know who he was. So while we were in the playoffs, I'm watching him go at Baron Davis' tonight. Who was this? I was like, damn, this kid's nice. And I just kept watching him. So when it came time for me to be traded, knowing that I couldn't do it by myself, I needed a Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant type player. I wanted him to say, OK, I'll let you trade me, but I'm going to play with D-Way. I'm going to go back and forth. Oh, they gave you that chance. They gave you that opportunity? Yeah. Yeah. So I want to go play with him. So as soon as he got there the first time, I said, look, man, you heard this, you heard that.  You the man. But went on with me and the last guy that could never happen with me and you. I'm going to help you. You're going to help me. And he said he had some differences over there that's something that we will not and cannot have down here, and I absolutely agree with. And he just emerged as a great player. And then we had our first argument during the finals. The only time we had an altercation was when I had to check everybody during the finals that year. Was everybody waiting? Going into the finals. You were already in the finals. No, no. Versus dollars. When we went down 0-2. Yeah. So I wasn't having a great finals. Everybody was looking for me. And I was like, why are you all looking for me? I don't know. What was going on? But we were down 0-2. So I flipped it. What you going to do, D-Way? I got three people on me. Flash. What you going to do? I got four people on me.  So that was my way of getting it. And then we just three game, bing, bing, bing, bing. When we took a time out, Pat brought us all back. He said, I know you guys don't want to end your season like this. Come on, guys. Come on. Come on. First thing came out of Dwayne's mouth was, I'm not going out like that. He drives left baseline. And he got to the rim and able to score with a ball on down. Gribbles to the free throw line. The jump shot. And he's got it. Dwayne to within five. And he brought us back.  And he's got it. Wide left beyond the stripe. Wade left baseline. Wide open. The jumper goes. And the Miami Heat right back in the NBA finals. I just felt so proud walking off that court. And I didn't show it. You know, I went in the locker room. I got to do it every day. I felt so proud. Wade had done more than win one game. He had changed the series. Dwayne Wade all the time. Dwayne Wade rose to a level that we have never seen here with the Miami Heat. Miami up this series. We haven't found the right solution to deal with Wade yet. It was as if whatever Miami needed, Wade would provide. And of course Wade coming off that spectacular 43-point center court. The officiating crew led by Steve Javie. Harry is the leading scorer for the Mavericks in these finals. His Wade picks it and a foul. Wade with the jumper on a mound. Wade Wade knocks it down. Four and a half minutes without a point. Did we have another run? Wade put on the drive. Blocked by Wade. Wade. Touch shot. Backs it in though. Wade backs it in. Stop. Wade spinning. Falling away. It's good. And Dallas Gattayan was a three-pointer. Terry, eight seconds. I'm seeing him come down the court. I'm seeing him go up in motion. I'm like, he can't hit this shot. It's not scripted this way. And it's my moment. Terry, high-right shot. Terry puts it up. The shot goes like, hey, Wade, go up there. Go up to the front. I'm like, for what? He's like, for the MVP or what? I'm like, oh. You know, I guess I was. Took all finals in MVP. And from that point on, he just, you know, emerged as probably one of the best two guards to ever play the game. The funniest, the funniest, most embarrassing thing was, so we get smacked during regular season, y'all. And then we beat Chicago, right? Mm-hmm. And the crowd starts chatting. Mm-hmm. We want the heat. Over a second, Romani, he took a chance by throwing it into the crowd. We want the heat. We're watching the game, by the way. We're all together watching the game. As a team, we're getting ready. You know, we're watching who our next opponent is going to be. They beat Chicago. It's a big thing. They like celebrating. They got a T-shirt. They got the whole thing, right? And it was a big moment for them. So we get it. And then the crowd starts going, Big moment for you guys.  Our fans are screaming, we want the heat, right? So, you know, we have, we do have characters on our team that's realistic. And you guys are like, do we do that? Do we do that? Do we do that? Like, I'm like, oh, they, so we turn the TV off. They want us. They got us. They got us. Let's go make this quick. They made it quick. Here goes Wade. Wade against Hughes. Washington owner A. Poland. Dwayne Wade off the drive. So we, we played him. Go down there. Smack, smack. Dwayne Wade. Jamison goes out about. They keep saying, keep them in front. And they don't. And they deal with Dwayne Wade. You have to try to direct them in the area and then you go if you react to him. And that's what Larry Hughes did on that last. Come home, smack. We're in game four, right? Getting smack. I'm on the sideline like, oh my God. Can we just win one? And I look up in the stands, right? And it says, big old sign. We're at home, big old sign. You wanted the heat. Now you just got burned. Oh, that's cold. Bill, here go a key part to that story that Gilbert did not say. Once we got to DC, no shack. You don't know what kind of confident boost that is, you know, coming from, you know, our best player, the most dominant player in the NBA telling me, take over the game is your game to be, to win is your game to take over.  And that's what he told them, stop fooling around and take over the game. We want to win this game. And we want to win it with me on the sideline. In, in Miami, we had shack. No, no shack in DC. So now no shack. They at home. Took it up a notch. I think we was the only team that got swept there in the second round. You know how bad you got to be to get swept in the second round. But it's just, first of all though, Gil, it's just bad luck. You get the draw of shack, me and early in my prime, you get LeBron a couple of times in the playoff. Like you just got a bad draw. Sometimes it's just match up. Hanging around that full five area. That's the wrong place to be. Yeah, man. I got to ask you this, because I've watched this matchup for years. The dynamic with you and Cove, can you go in a little bit about, just to back and forth. I know y'all have a true friendship, but I do know y'all have a very spicy competitiveness. Could you talk a little bit about it? Well, you didn't seem too nice to Covey. I mean, y'all were on the court together. That was after the tip-off. We both competed. We both are fierce competitors. Covey's one of the fiercest competitors that ever played a game, and I'm a competitor also. So we both compete, and that's at 737. When Shaq first came to Miami, people would look at the way in and sort of like, keep their eyes on you, wondering how you'd look at Covey, how you'd interact with Covey on the court while going against him, simply because Shaq's your boy now. Oh, yeah. And you know their relationship wasn't ideal at the time. So how did you feel about Covey at the time when Shaq first came to Miami, and you had to go up against him? I don't know what I'll do now. You know, you respect the player. You respect his greatness.  You got to get your rest.  You know, but it's the same time. Shaq wanted you about that? Shaq didn't have to. Well, ho hum, just another spectacular move from Dwayne Wade, flipping it over the Laker defense with that left hand. You know, obviously coming into the NBA, I was in a Covey was like, you know, the two that I was like, I wanted to be on the court. So it went from like my rookie year, like excited to play against, you know, one of my idols to my second year. We going at it. Right. You know, I mean, we getting scuffles. And that's when Cove started to respect me when he realized, like, I'm not backing down. And it's not that attention. It's just who I am.  No, not really. Not really strange. Yeah, I think it's more fun, you know, because they know each other.  And, you know, I was able to pick up a couple things from him this summer as well. So it's fun. I enjoyed it. I think we all enjoyed it. We all have a connection for the rest of our lives. You know, I've never talked to Covey the night before we played the Lakers in my previous five years.   What would you describe the conversations you were having towards the end of the game? Good natured? Oh, yeah, good natured. Just fun stuff. You want to write by you on the free-throw? Yeah, yeah. Always telling me, you know, come on, miss one, make one interesting. You know, this is where I make my money, man. I'm not missing anything. Do they fall away? You know, you're right in the space is that one of your tricks? Yeah, no, he picked up a couple of things. You know, defensively as well, he picked up a couple of techniques that we kind of joked about a little bit. And it's good, it's good. One of the coolest moments for me in my career was I'm out of the playoffs and Covey's in the playoffs and he calls me. And he said, D, they guard me like this. I know you great at picking roles. You great at splitting. What should I do? We got to do a better job keeping them in front. I mean, he's, it might be the best in the league I used to screen roles. He does a great job splitting them, you know, and going into the outside corner. So we got to do a much better job corralling them, keeping them in front. So I give him my hold. This is what I, this is what I, this is what I look for. This is what I do do this now. Being able to split the defense, a lot of it is split second. Wait, getting the screen from B. So he splits the double team away. It's about, you know, reading the defenders, reading the game. Man, I get off the phone. I lost it. I'm like, oh, just call me. You know what I'm saying? In January of 2009, Dwayne Wade took himself to another level, leading the NBA and scoring with 28.1 points per game. In Phoenix, the chatter around the league of whether Dwayne Wade should be considered an MVP candidate involved into a buzz. He definitely has to be in contention for the MVP. You can't leave him out of the equation. Signing saw the critics about him being back and being back to flash. It's the best basketball. I've seen him play since the finals. I mean, he's unbelievable. He's doing everything, getting to the line, making outside shots. He's defending. He's rebounding. If he's not talked in terms of the MVP, then I think they, you know, they really are not giving an affair assessment of the MVP. I think no matter what you can say about his team, you take him away from his team. I'm pretty sure they will not be as successful as you take away LeBron and you take away Kobe. You know, I'm pretty sure those teams will still be competitive. Not to speak down on his teammates. Just in terms of how much he represents offensive and defensive in their team and the leadership, you know. So, that, for whatever reason, never goes into consideration of the MVP.  And when he does, then they can be anybody in the team. I think Mike will retire to here before I came to lead. Statistically. So, I'm going to tell you my mindset in 2010 when I was a free agent. For me, it wasn't about money. It wasn't about nothing, but winning. A lot of people don't believe this. A lot of people think we had this already set up. LeBron called and said, what are you thinking? I said, bro, I want to win championships. I'm tired of getting knocked out in the first round.  And then it went from there and I thought, let's do it together. Act two of your story brought change. To be here with DOA, to be here with CB, I understand now that I've made the right decision. As new characters were introduced to your narrative, identities were altered. Then force through fire, hammer and anvil. Pressure like that couldn't have hindered you. But instead, it hardened you. Then you reached the top of the mountain twice more. Different cast, same conclusion. To the last second! To the last man! Trash as a f***ing hero. That was definitely one of my top heroes of all time. It's all good. Because, listen, what you gotta know, that's probably the top five, one of the most tired I was. Oh my God. Now you see me. When you first got to the league, who was the first person to bust your ass? Oh, that's easy. My first welcome to the league was LeBron, D-Wade and Chris Bosch, and that Miami Heat team. So, it was the pre-season game, but I still considered it as my welcome. You feel me? So, we played in Kansas City. Kansas City is the site for the Washington Wizards, and Miami Heat in exhibition season, and the crowd gets to see, yeah, that man, Dwayne Wade. And in the first quarter, right, 20 seconds into the game. There he goes. D-Wade, I'm reading the scouting reports. Scouting reports is, stay down on punfakes. First thing he do, spin, uh, punfake, right into my ribs.  You got a long way to go. So, different level, right? They stole, they were still in the ball, throwin' lives left and right. And it was, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is real. So, that was my welcome. It was the first, my first time stepping over the floor was my welcome to the league, and that Miami Heat team. Big three era. Amazing era for Miami Heat. When I look at this photo, what I see is I see something of legend. We didn't really talk about scoring titles and covers of magazines and all the things that we ended up doing. We just talked about winning the championship. Took some sacrifice to do that. But ultimately, we achieved our goal. Playing basketball with those guys was amazing, but I think the relationship that we built away from the game was special. It changed everything. For me, for Brian, for Chris, for this organization, it put us in a different light. We was able to go to finals four years in a row, and it went to, and it was hard. But I think we all learned something about ourselves. Speaking of Twitter, that purple, the hornest fan in purple is kind of, and you and we're trying to get at each other. Get at each other? Yeah. You guys were trying exchange words. I'm not giving him any more attention. He got enough. Here on ESPN, a sellout crowd in one of the biggest nights in the past 14 years for this franchise. Charlotte with a chance to advance. Miami, trying to stay alive. Game six, coming up next. What do you have on your all-time two-guard list? I had him behind. Michael George and Kobe Bryant. Fakes back up to Wade, a rare three. It's good! Wade, another three. It's good! Dwayne Wade from downtown! Dwayne Wade knocks down a huge three-pointer for the Miami Heat. But that's greatness personified. It leans in, forming away. Puts it in! Dwayne! And Charlotte has to call time out to knock down big shots. Purple shirt man have a seat. Mama, there goes that man. Your second act saw your arrival as one of the most respected athletes on earth. And your departure from the home helped you get there.  What you got to take into account is, you know, the history between, you know, you and Dwayne coming into that. You've gone against Rajan in playoff settings for years. Hated him. Wade and Rhino, they're still chatting with each other. What are, right now, what are either one of them thinking about? Oh, dirty plays that you've seen him play in the past, so that's what it is. Wade came out from underneath him as he knocked him down. Wade in the post. More out of frustration than anything. And a technical foul has been hit. As Rondo and Wade go chest to chest. Why didn't get involved in this stuff? Were you giving away points and taking a chance of, that's one technical, getting a second one. They did a pretty job keeping on the wraps of who they were trying to get. So, actually, once I committed, you know, I wanted to know who was the guy and I was excited that it was Wade. And when you come up on a guy like doing Wade, I don't think you can pass with opportunity. Yes, I've talked to Wade. Like I said, we've talked text. When you talked to Duane, did you guys have any fun with what happened in 11 and 12, your guys history? I know that's part of the seat of the battle stuff. Do you guys touch on that or talk about it? No, we didn't touch on it. We just, we're older, we're wiser and we're moving forward. And like I said, to play with a guy like that, I know I've battled against personally, it's always a great time to have a guy like on your side. No, but how, how odd was that? That first time going against the heat? Yeah, it was terrible. Like, we had a back-to-back too, right? We come from Atlanta, we get in Miami. I don't have a lot of time to do nothing, but just go to my house and I, and once I get off the bus I'm trying to like, okay, it's a regular game. It's a regular game. I get off the bus and immediately I knew it wasn't a regular game. Fans of the Miami Heat, it has to be a strange sight to see Dwayne Wade in the uniform of the Chicago Bowl. It was just, it was crazy. And I walked to the, to the visitor's locker room. I've never been in the visitor's locker room. Like, unless it was like a concert, but it looked way different. So you never really got a chance to experience it. And everything was just weird. Like, even that my shoes didn't fit right that day. Like, nothing felt good that day. And I go out there and I'm seeing all these familiar faces that has been rooting for me and they still rooting for me. But it's just, it's just weird because I'm on the opposite side of the court. I couldn't wait to get that game over. I definitely wanted to get a win. I told my team, I said, listen, don't worry about feeding me the ball all game and trying to make this Dwayne comes back to score 30 plus. Like, let's just get a win and get out of here because this is the, this is the one of the weirdest feelings I've ever had. It's back. Well, it's a dream come true for Heat fans. My eyes and the heart was always here. I said that from the start, it's always here. I mean, me personally, I would have been very successful in this in this league without Dwayne. But to accomplish what I really wanted to accomplish in this league and that's winning at the highest level, I needed him. And that's why I made the jump. You understand how important he's been to the game throughout his career. No matter who you root for, throughout the league you respect greatness in terms of what he's been able to do throughout his entire career. He's got a loud name, but he has some pretty influential plays. And it seems like he's got a lot more to take. That's what I told him after the game. I was like, are you sure? I know you got a lot of stuff going on off the court, your family and all that. You sure you have a couple more years left in there. That is a jersey exchange to remember. Two of the game's all-time great players. Coming to Dwayne, man, you, you were one of the best fans. So entertaining, so exciting for us to watch. Definitely one of the best two guys to ever play the game. Turn inside to Wade down the middle. His toughness was undeniable. How hard he played, how many times he hit the floor, got right back up, kept fighting. I was always a big fan of him. I still am. I'm seeing everybody treat him the way that he's supposed to be treated on his way out. It makes me proud of all the fans and organizations that's seen in the way the way he should be. Competing against him, can you try and put into words what he's meant to the game? Man, he's done so many great things. I mean, I think everybody's so honored to have played against him. I don't know him as well as the guy on the other end of the table, but I've had a lot of battles with him and just talking with him, going against him. You know that when you step on the court against him, you have to bring your A-plus game. I've had many battles with him. We talked the first pre-season game on through the season and to our last game. Just remembering the good times and I'll tell you what, he's one of the best two guards that ever played this game. So you're there for his final home game of course in the Sixers uniform. Talk about how that atmosphere influenced you to want to sign with Miami. The love that he got well deserved at that, but the way that everybody came out to support him knowing what he's done for the city, for the culture, I mean I want a piece of that love too. Not saying that I can compare to Dwayne Wade because I don't think anybody can, but I think what he's done for this city, I want to try and pick up where he left off. Every moment from your career is going to come back you know, fast into your mind and for me just a kid with a dream man, I had a dream of playing a game of basketball and now I can walk Wednesday high school, NBA, Jersey Tire. You know what kid? You did alright. 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The House of Squib presents Academy of War. Every week, Squib brings you Hollywood's finest. The great picture plays the great actors and actresses, techniques and skills chosen from the honor roll of those who have won or been nominated for, the famous Golden Oscar of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science. And now, ER Squib and Sons, manufacturing chemists to the medical profession since 1858, bring you one of the most delightful fantasies ever presented on the screen. Walt Disney's famous Pinocchio, the picture of which, for best original musical score and best song of the year, won the 1940 Academy of War. This is the story of a little boy who was carved out of wood. His name was Pinocchio. Because he was a very good little boy, when all was said and done, he became a real little boy like you and lived happily ever after. If he hadn't been a good little boy in the end and stopped disobeying those who loved him, he might have ended up just a pile of shavings or even a toothpick. So you'd better be good and listen to the story of Pinocchio. There was a kind old man named Gepetto, who made Pinocchio out of the very finest wood. But he loved him so much, he hoped and hoped Little Pinocchio might be real and be a son to him in his old age. Oh, look at him. He almost looks alive. Wouldn't it be nice if he was a real boy? Oh well, come on, we go to sleep. But first I must open the window. Oh, how beautiful the wishing star. Starlight, star bright. First star I see tonight. I wish I may. I wish I might have the wish I make tonight. When you wish upon a- I'm Gemini Cricket. I'm wishing with old man Gepetto.  And just wait. You'll see. I come from the wishing star. Gee whiz, you must have a rocket ship or a jet job. Good Gepetto, you have done so much. Given so much happiness to others. You deserve to have your wish come true. Gepetto is asleep. Snoring. I know, Little Cricket. Now get out of my way. Where is Pinocchio? Right there.  Little puppet made of pine. Wake. The gift of life is thine. Wow. It works. It works. I can move. I can talk. I can walk. Yes, Pinocchio. I have given you life. Why? Because tonight Gepetto wished for a real boy. Am I a real boy? No, Pinocchio. Making Gepetto's wish come true will be entirely up to you. Prove yourself brave, truthful, unselfish. And someday you will be a real boy. Your conscience will tell you. But what is a conscience? I know. I know. A conscience? Is that stills? Gideon listened to the merry laughter of the little innocent children winding their way to school. Thirsty little minds running to the fountain of knowledge. What's this? Gee whiz. There was Honest John the Fox and Gideon the Cat. And all of a sudden they saw Pinocchio. Lookie there. A little wooden boy. Amazing. A live puppet without strings. Goodness, Gideon. A thing like that ought to be worth a fortune. Why Stromboli, of course. He has a puppet show. Why that old faker would pay.  We'll be on Easy Street.  I see a man of letters. Give me my book, sir. I'm going to school. Then you haven't heard of the Easy Road to Success? No, sir. I'm speaking, my boy, of the theatre. Bright lights, music, applause and fame. Fame? Yes, and with that personality, that profile, that physique, why... But I'm going... Straight to the top, where I can see your name in lights. Lights six feet high. Um, what is your name? Pinocchio. Pinocchio. P-I-N-U-O-P-I... We're wasting precious time. Come on to the theatre.  It's great to be a celebrity. An actor's life for me. Why, that's Pinocchio. Gee whiz, a fine conscience I turned out to be late the first day. Hey, where you taking little Pinocchio? You can't do that. Stop, stop, stop. Hey, you, the pop. Hey, Pinocchio. What was that? Me. What? That was my conscience, Jiminy Cricket. Why, who? Why, my boy, you must be seeing things. I'll just calm down, calm down. There's nothing to be afraid of. Hey, Pinocchio.  You can't do that. You must go to school. Now, when they come back, you tell them you're sorry, but you've got to go to school.  You must not lag behind. We're off to the theatre. Tell them, Pinoc. Goodbye, Jiminy. Goodbye. Hey, not goodbye, Pinocchio. I diddle-dee-dee, I'm in shame. I diddle-dee-dee. Oh, what'll I do? I'll run and tell his father. No, no, no, that would be snitching. I'll go after him myself. Dear the gentlemen, to conclude the performance of this great show, Stromboli, the master of showmen, that's a me after a lot all day, by special permission of the management, that's a me too, question alone, she is presenting a software thinger to you. Some thing you will absolutely refuse to believe, introducing the only American actor who can sing and dance, absolutely without the aid of strings. I hope so. I'm permitted to guard thee. The one and only Pinocchio. Trippin' fall down.  Then maybe you'll listen to your conscience. He won't need me anymore. What is there not to want, the weather conscience anyway? You will push you in the public's eye.  Oh, sure. In this cage for you. Yes, yes, to me you are belonging. We will tour the world, Paris, London, Monaco, or Constantinople. No. As we start tonight, you will make me lots of money. And when you're going to old, you will make good firewood. A little wooden gold mine. Ha-ha. Yee-dee-ya. If he was made, artists have to draw 35 or more separate pictures to make one animated screen character smile. That may seem like a lot of work just for a smile, and yet there is another place where 223 scientific tests are made in the interest of a brighter smile, a happier mouth. That place is the Squibb Laboratories, where these 223 separate tests are made to ensure the safety and effectiveness of Squibb dental cream. And when you use Squibb dental cream, you will appreciate that extra care. You'll taste, feel, and see the refreshing difference. Like a cup of crystal clear icy water from a mountain spring, the pleasant cooling mintiness of Squibb dental cream wakes up your whole mouth, leaves it tingling and refreshed. With a touch that's feather soft and safe, the special polishing agent in Squibb dental cream reveals all the natural sparkle of your smile. So for home dental care that's more effective, more refreshing, switch to Squibb dental cream. Taste, feel, and see the refreshing difference. In just a moment we will present the second part of Pinocchio, but first we wish to thank Walt Disney for making this picture available. Walt Disney is also the producer of the Technicolor production, Make Mine Music. And now the House of Squibb presents part two of Walt Disney's Academy Award-winning picture, Pinocchio. Pinocchio, Pinocchio, it's me, your old friend, Jiminy Cricket, remember? Oh, Jiminy, gee, I'm glad to see you. What's happened? What did Stromboli do to you? Oh, he was mad. He said he was going to push my face in everybody's eye and it's going to chop me into fireworks. Yes, looks pretty hopeless. It'll take a miracle to get you out of that cage. Gee. Hey, there's that star again, that lady. The fairy. What did she say? What did I tell her? You might tell her the truth. Why Pinocchio? Hello? Pinocchio, why didn't you go to school? Go ahead, tell her. I was going to school till I met somebody. Met somebody?  Weren't you afraid?  You see, Pinocchio, a lie keeps growing and growing until it is as plain as the nose on your face. She's right, Pinocchio. You'd better come clean. Please, your honor. I mean, Miss Blue Fairy, give him another chance. For my sake, will you? I'll forgive you just this once. But remember, a boy who won't be good might just as well be made of wood. Will it be good? Both ways. Very well. But this is the last time I can help you. Let's get out of here before something else happens. Come on, Pinocchio. He's home at last. He's been slept in. There's dust everywhere. There's a piece of paper, a note. Oh, it's a message. What does it say? Why, it says here he went looking for you and he was swallowed by a whale. Swallowed by a whale? A whale named Monstro. But, Pinocchio, are you crazy? Don't you realize he's in a whale? I gotta go to him. But this whale is Monstro. He swallows whole ships alive. I don't care. I may be live bait down there, but I'm your conscience and I'm going with you. I'm going to hold this rock so it will take me all the way down to the bottom of the sea. Okay. I'll hold my nose. Let's go. Be like this.  He was such a good little boy. And now the whale hasn't eaten anything for two days. And if he doesn't eat, I will starve. Ahoy, bellow. Move over. You've come home soaking wet. You mustn't catch cold. The whale only opens his mouth when he's eating. And then everything comes out and nothing goes in. So what's the idea? We're getting out of here. He died to save you, Father. It's the Blue Fairy from the Wishing Star. Prove yourself brave, truthful, and unselfish. And someday you will be a real boy. Awake, Pinocchio. Awake. Father, Jiminy Cricket, what you crying for? Because, because you are dead, Pinocchio. No. Yes, you are. Now lie down. As you see. Few dramatic scenes compare with certain steps in the development of today's powerful new weapons against disease. For example, in the Great Squibb Laboratories, every lot of penicillin has to demonstrate its potency in many exacting tests. One of them on living bacteria. Tiny cylinders containing penicillin solution are placed in a culture medium in which the bacteria are already thriving. Seeping into the culture, the penicillin checks bacterial growth in a circle around each cylinder. 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