Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? None of you know my dad, what's going on? Man, I didn't think it was going to happen, man, but this boy, he pulled up on us, man. I know. Hey, man, I'm going to tell you something. Your family wants to get you in here, say it. Oh, yeah, I'm here. I'm right here. Say it, Thomas, in the building, man, DunkMasters is here, man. Oh, yeah, city to city, state to state, y'all all know I get down. Man, I love your energy, man. Oh, yeah, I got to do it.  I got to turn it on. I watch your videos. I got to turn it on. I got to turn it on. I got to do something else, man. Turn it on. That's why you get them going, they ain't just like them shibs, they take them a little time to get going once you get going, you can't stop them. I like to bet that money, I like to talk about that money talk. I can tell. That's what you like to do. Okay, I know you grew up in, well, no, you were born in Atlanta. Savannah, Georgia. I call everywhere Atlanta, anywhere in Georgia is Atlanta to me. And then you went into South Carolina, right? Why did you go to South Carolina? So my mother was originally from Hardevill, South Carolina, but she was teaching in Savannah, Georgia. So I was born in Savannah, Georgia, and then we moved to Hardevill when I was about two or three years old. Two or three? So you don't remember nothing about Georgia? Nah, yeah, yeah, but we went back. So after I went to Hardevill for a couple years, we stayed there and then I continued to go to school in Savannah, Georgia. So I was down in Savannah, Georgia until I was about 12 years old and then we moved to Orangeburg, South Carolina. That's when I really started messing with the cars and all that stuff. Which one do you like better? What's on Georgia or South Carolina? I like Orangeburg. Because that's what made me, you know what I mean? The country. So you know what I mean? Just different resources in Orangeburg and learning how to do different things. And in Savannah is a pretty big city. So you have a lot of stuff going on. They got colleges and stuff there too, like Orangeburg, but it's just a different atmosphere from Orangeburg. And it was your uncle who introduced you to the cars, right? Oh yeah, my uncle Buggy. Yeah, so my uncle Buggy showed me about the cars, used to take us to mud races, boat races, horse races, all different kind of stuff in the country. Wow. How old were you the first time you raced? I actually started racing when I was about eight years old. But we raced dirt bikes and goat carts. Oh, that's what you raced? Yeah, in the beginning we used to raced goat carts. So they call them a yard cart. With a little five-horsepower motor on the back. And we raced those. Do you remember the feeling you felt the first time you raced? Exhilarating.  Scared? No, scared of what? Scared of right cat. No, I wanted to go fast. Yeah, I like to go fast. Because see, my cousin is the same age as me. We're about three months apart. So my uncle's son is my cousin Targe. Me and him is Zach same age as three months apart. So anything he had or we had together, we always shared and we raced and we just were real competitive. You're adrenaline junkie. I love it. So you'd be jumping out of planes and everything? Not yet, but we'd be paracels. Oh, yeah, me and my lady travel the world and we'd go do different things like ride camels and paracel and ride boats. Camels is safe. School diving is safe. I'm talking something that's gonna make your heart jump out of your body like paraceling. Now I'm trying to get my pilot license. So she actually bought me some classes to go get my pilot license. So we just flew some planes and stuff like that. Yeah, you know what I mean? She want to make sure I'm well rounded and I like it. She liked that venture just like me. So this is what we like to do. That's dope, man. Is she learning too? I don't know. She's in the backseat. You know, right now she says she wants to learn. So, you know, we're with it. Oh, okay. So I mean, you guys like touring, y'all going around like city to city, state to state all the country to country. We know a little place. Where's the first place y'all going away from South Carolina? Morocco, Africa. Whoa. Oh, yeah, we was in Feds. You took some cars over there? Nah, not yet. We went over there to go observe the land and see what's going on. And then we were going to eventually take the cars over there, put them on a boat or a plane and you know, just take them over there. What's the thing you love the most about over there? In Morocco, the food is real clean. And plus they only eat whatever is in season. So a lot of places you go, they don't have refrigerators over there. A lot of people don't know that, but in Morocco, you only eat what's in season. So if they got strawberries or potatoes this month, that's what you go eat. But if they did not, you're not going to be able to eat that three months from now because something else is in season. That's fruit wise, but it's meat. You get it all the time, right? Yeah, you do get it all the time, but it does taste different in different seasons, they say. So yeah. So like chicken, like a lot of times we ate over there was like chicken. We had a lot of beef, goat stuff like that. Cause like in Jamaica, the same thing goes where fruits are concerned. You only get like the Jamaican apples certain time of the year, the guineps, the mango certain time of the years and stuff like that. The same thing. Yeah, the same way. Just over there.  So it's an alley where they might have camomile on this side, then they might have fish over here, then they might have figs over there, but you just got to pick whoever got the best. But was that the first time you had goat meat? No, no, no. I ate a lot of goat and stuff when I was younger. And plus I ate it in Savannah and when I lived in the alley, I stayed in Barbuda for a year. Also, my father from Barbuda. Okay. But you know, this is how everybody cook it different though. Oh, yeah, yeah. It tastes real different. So over there, they cook everything like in a tarjing, like clay pots where they heat them with cold or something like that. But nah, it's real, real good. All the food over there is real good. Okay, that's cool.  No, no, no. You go because you seem like you're on the roll over there. I just know when I get him, I'm gonna have him. So you better get it on done. So I know your one of your parents was a teacher and one was a chef. So I can imagine all the type of meals that you would get growing up. Yeah. So in the beginning, so my father was around until I was about eight years old. And then from there, he left and my uncle took over. So about, I learned some of the stuff with the chef and all the stuff that he did. But then he was gone. So my uncle Buggy, who raised me doing the cars and the mechanic stuff and discipline and all that kind of stuff. Self-motivation is what I learned from him. I love the fact you still had a railroad model in your life because a lot of boys, when their fathers step out, they are missing that. And the mother normally tried to step in and be that father figure. But sometimes you can't really always have a female teaching a man how to be a man. Yeah, you gotta have a man to teach a man. And that's the thing with my uncle. So my uncle only had the one child. And then he took me as a second child. And I took more to what he did.  He does housing and construction work and build cars and sell cars. But a lot of stuff he tell me just worked with what I got. So where did your dad go? What's what? Where did your dad go? Oh, he just left. He just, you know, I guess he was weak or something. You know what I'm saying? I just know I'm not going to do that. Go that route. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing, I got five kids myself and I take care of my children. Did he ever come back around at all? I talked to him every now and then, but yeah, he just too much pressure. Yeah, he couldn't handle it. But you know what I'm saying? So that's why I said my uncle took a lot and he told me what to do and he made it happen. I think that'd be God, man. God make things happen a certain way. You know what I'm saying? Like your uncle probably will better at it. That's the way I look at it, right? Like my uncle, my uncle took me from my daddy and I know lying kept me didn't he? You hear that story all the time because they got into it over and over. We got into a fight, arguing. Me and my daddy, my uncle and I ended up with my uncle. That's the same thing that happened with my uncle. My uncle, a third degree black belt. So like my uncle, right now he's 70 years old, but he still can do 50 push-ups. Yeah, he taught me discipline, structure and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Was he military or a penitentiary? He just was karate kung fu, Joe Crazes. That's it. But Bruce Lee, I see that every Saturday, look at Bruce Lee. My girl watched in him all the time. Yeah, Bruce Lee, all the different karate movies. You can't read, you just got to read the words on the bottom. Yeah, they talk like this. What? Yeah, exactly. And then the words come out. Nothing, but he's a step fighter, Joe.  Oh, he was so funny.  He can do that. So after you, after you, you were racing in those buggies and everything, when did you start to get into real cars? Well, about the age of about 16. So about 16 years old, I was working at a car wash called Happy Jays in Ornberg, South Carolina, and all the street boys just come through there with their Chevy's and their clean cars and stuff like that. And they always call me young boy. They be like, young boy, come clean my car, young boy, you know what I'm saying? So like, I was just a hustler. So I was like, well, dim the boys with the money. So if I clean, they call good, they'll give me a good tip. So like I clean, they call real good, you know what I mean? Make sure I shine it up real good. But I was always a engine junkie. So I will always park the hood and look. So I'd be like, man, I got to clean the motor off for you real quick. But I'd be looking to see what stuff they got on it. Then I have a notepad in my pocket right now, what parts they got. And then I get the magazines and read about it. And then I talk to my uncle about it. But then I started getting that because I seen them have the clout and the girls and all that stuff with their cars. So they like, they were with jewelry and stuff, but I will always see them pull up in the car. And they always had some nice looking females with them. And that's what attracted me to that, that car. Oh yeah. So when was the first time you actually built your own car? I started building my own car when I was about 17 years old. 17. Yeah. How long did it take you? It took me about till I was about 21, about three, four years. That's how long. So like now, if you had to build a car, how long it takes you? Six to eight. Six to eight. Yeah, that body got good. Because of all of the things you had to put into it compared to then. Yeah, but it's just like the team, my resources. So my resources are different now. So before, you know what I mean? I really had no money, no connection to resources, but now I got a good team and they helped me put cars together a lot quicker. We talk about it, put it together. It don't take that long. Well, I don't care you right now, man. Being one that's been watching the movement, man. When I first seen Dunk, I heard of it from Florida. Oh, yeah. Now, you got y'all down in the Carolinas now. Who came up with this? Wait a minute. We know that Florida came up with it. Yeah, they came from Miami. But who did it the best? I don't want to say him, I don't want to say that about him. When did y'all so-called take the title? So back in about 2015, the car that I got now called the Z06, right? It came out in about 2013, I debuted the car. 2014, I debuted the car. So with social media, TV show, all the other stuff in the push, and by me knowing the marketing and analytics, I started pushing the brand of the internet customer shop. And then I went down to Florida, called out the whole state of Florida, and told anybody down here, if y'all want to race, I mean y'all city, let's get it. So by me knowing that one time in the years, called MLK Weekend, Martin Luther King Weekend down in Florida, they bring all the new dunks out. That's like a dunk holiday. So all the new dunks they've been building all year, Martin Luther King holiday, that's when they're bringing them out. So we already knew this. So me and the team went down there, I called out the whole state of Florida, the whole city, everybody, telling, let's get it. And everybody came out.  And that's right in the quarter. Yeah, quarter. In the quarter mile. Yep, I got them. And you killed them with the rim. Now let's just break down this dunk movement, because we in Texas. With the big wheels. With the big wheels. Now that everybody know about the dunk. It's the big wheel. Well, how big? So back then I had 28 inch wheels on my car. So right now I got 26, but back then I had 28 inch wheels on my car. So why you go down? Because I've made a little bit more power and the difference in the tire size. So I wanted a more of a tire choice. So I can put a thicker tire on it. That's why I went down. You guys changed the game, man. When I first started seeing quarter runs, it was just slicksters and basically running the quarter of a mile. And these tires was pretty much specked, just like the racers would do.  But y'all changed it to the rims, man. And when was the first time you've seen that method even happen? It wasn't. So the thing was, we came about, what's called fast and flashy racing, right? So I wanted to keep it to where we can go to the clubs, stunt, holla at the girls, whatever the case, me, VIP park, and they be in the club, stop popping that trash. We going to the street, let's get it on. You know what I'm saying? Don't chain no wheels, no nothing. You know what I mean? We fresh cologne, jewelry on, we ride it. Get your car, let's get it. But see with me coming from a racing background, I understood suspension shocks and all that stuff. So like, I was beating these boys for five years in a row. Like, I don't want couples of hundreds of thousands to talk to. Woo-hoo-hoo. Travellers of your boys, man. You know what I'm saying? And it's tearing them up because I was in with the company. So I knew people who made shocks, transmission, converters. Oh, you got it. I understood the engineering of the right. Yeah, yeah. So I understood the engineering of the vehicle. And you know what I mean? Just street boys, they got the cars, they got a little bit of paper, they think they go do something. I slapped fire at them in every city. So we would go from, you know, we went to Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, D.C., New York City, all over the United States. We documented, you can check it out on G-Daw 803 YouTube.  So I knew, I just learned it. And I knew it and it came from just racing on them. I got some homies and that's all they do is race. And one thing I can't say, because you niggas out there wrong. And I'm gonna say wrong because somebody might come up short, nigga might get to talking, bumping his gums. The nigga ain't got the money.  Go and give it up. It'll happen though. I know it doesn't happen. But see, it'll happen. But with them, with me, you know what I'm saying? We always pull up three, four people and we erase them. They don't want to get the money up.   Not see, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm talking wrong. This is a brief occasion. He ain't gonna tell it to me. We handle it. We get it handled. We make sure everything's okay. But you know what I'm saying? We make sure everything's good to go. We don't like that. We like to be, you know what I'm saying? Men of men, you know what I'm saying? I get it, man, but I just know because I've been out there at the horse track. I've been at the dog fights whenever long years ago.  That was a long time ago. And then I've been, you know, I've been a lot of places. Oh, yeah. I've been to the horse tracks and these niggas just ain't gonna act right with the money. That's the part I'm waiting on because I'm a troublemaker. I'm looking to see when the problem gonna happen because the niggas gonna mess up somewhere in this whole transaction. This is not the bank, nigga. Nobody signed no application, but it's an adrenaline rush. You, the pitch I got a tone at the house. I saw it. I remember it. I thought you was with us that day. No, I was not. I'm taking you. I'm gonna take you over here tomorrow. I'll never be too late for court. You go on tomorrow. I'm gonna bring you through tomorrow. You ain't got to worry. I promise you. I thought we've been together 20 years. I thought for damn sure she had been to a race with me. Don't get in trouble now, this. I don't like it. It wasn't me. Somebody signed it. Don't mess up 20 years, man. Look at that master. I'm coming in with back. We going tomorrow though. I'm coming out there, man. I just, like I said... Do I need air muffs? Is it that loud? Is it like loud? No, they got something called this loud, but it's a lot of street calls. Yeah, it's dope. Yeah. You have a good time. You have a good time. Yes, sir. Okay. So I want to know because these cars, when I looked them up, they looked really good, right? How dangerous is racing? Like, do people wreck out? Yeah, they do, but that's a lot of things. I'm starting with the NDR race. So I have an association for big racing on big wheels called National Dump Racing Association. Right, NDR. And the first thing is safety. So we want to make sure the cars are safe by putting different things on the car, like lugs and studs and U-joints and seatbelts and stuff like that, making mandatory for them to race because a lot of people don't want to put that in these show calls. But when they start going 9, 10, 6... But if you're racing, you need to have that on. Exactly. And I'm trying to make sure they understand that. But coming from this culture of racing, they acting like they're too cool to put a seatbelt on. So, you know what I mean? We make the stuff mandatory, which they do it, and then the tracks stand behind it and they make it happen. So yeah, we have had a couple different wrecks with nothing too major. But you know what I mean? That's good. When I think about NASCAR racing and all of that, you know, they be having the wrecks, but they have all of the cages and everything to protect themselves. And when I see your cars and I'm like, those look too nice to race. Like, who would want a risk getting it scratched? Yeah, yeah. Much less wrecked out. They got that money. Don't even trust. That's a lot of money to them cars. They got that bread. This is what we're doing.  That's why you got to just step back and let us do our thing. What's the most prized car that you have in possession? Like... Well, the most you've spent on a car building it. Oh, what, a 06? Well, that car done spent money over seven, seven, eight years maybe. How much you think you spent on it? You don't even want to try to even guess. I don't even know.  You know what I'm saying? I know the motors in these cars, $30,000, $40,000. That's what I was going to ask. You know what I mean? The engines, the wheels, $6,000, $7,000, transmissions, $10,000, $15,000. One thing we always debate on, because I love old school cars, right? You debate, you know? Because he got me into it. But we always talk about, because I see a lot of people buy them and trick them out. Yep. But we always say it takes away the value of your car whenever you trick them out. So like, why do people do that when it's not going to be worth? You put $10,000, $20,000 in there doing all this other stuff and not keeping it original. But it's not making the value go up. No, yeah. It is now. Is it different? Yeah. So like now, by me traveling around the United States and doing stuff just like I'm doing today, is the value has grown tremendously. Okay. Plus, so like, like a regular clean old school, you can get for about $30,000. You probably could have bought that same one, $10,000. Me, him, talked about that at the press show. Yeah. So like, it's all the stuff at Chain Now because of social media. Okay. So now people are doing old schools like $250,000. Matter of fact, like Rick Ross, Tyler Rick Ross. Yeah, they build old schools, quarter million dollar old schools. He'll say it in the song, but he really spends a quarter million dollars on the old school. Every summer, he might do three or four of them just because he feel like it. He like doing them. Yeah. But they, and then you can actually. It holds the value. Yeah. Because now we're connected with Barry Jackson and Meekam Auto auction and they understand the value. So in the beginning, they never really appraise these cars. But now we can get insurance on them now and all that stuff. Thank you to the exposure of social media to where you can actually get a quarter million dollars for old school and get it insured. Okay. I was always wondering, because I see people do that and I'm like, you wasting your money. Why are you doing that? And they'll just tell me, because we love doing what we do. They don't care if the value goes up or not. They just love to have a unique clean car. Yeah. But it has to be done by a reputable shop. You can't just go to Tom Jerry down the corner and spend 10 bands like nah, it got to be documented and be done by a reputable shop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys, man, like I said, what's the craziest car that you found on the best deal? Oh, I'd have found a convertible. Like a dump, like I get right now. I done bought one of those for about $3,000. That's good. And right now they're $20, $20, $30 grand. Yeah. And you did that here recently. And what kind was that? A 7100 pallet. 7100. Yeah. I found one about $3,000. Yeah.  See, I'm easy. The one thing I always say, I always tell them I said, because I'm looking for a Chevy. I want a, I want a drop top. Because he have one. He have a Malibu, so I want a drop top so we can ride side by side. Oh yeah. That's not supposed to be. That's understandable. Yeah. But I want to restore mine. I don't want to buy it already fixed. I want to, I want to fix it up. Because I saw him do it. And I tell him, I said, we need to ride through the country because you can't find that in the city. No, no, no. You got to go to the country. Somebody don't know what they have. One of the old cars out in the field somewhere. I'm like, oh, that's it. Did anybody know when you found it? It was how much? The one you, last night, that's all mine? The one you showed me on the phone. Was it $120,000? That was $20,000. But it was out of, I think it was over how, like, like I'll be looking at the rust. Because I know rust is in certain places. So don't mention that. It's rust. It's so, like, where y'all at? Texas, Nevada, you know what I mean? Somewhere up in there. Anywhere that you're looking for the, yeah, from the oyster, the moisture, you don't want that. That's right. So, you know what I mean? You don't want a lot of cars that have been painted a lot of time, neither. But I do, I talk about a lot of stuff, but you can give me a call and we can put something in there. Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah. Figure that out. I'll be looking online because you have all these Facebook pages you can go on now and find them, so. Don't get got. Don't get got. No, no, no, no. Man, little Kiki talked about that the other week he got, he said he paid how much, almost, it seemed like an astronomical number that he told me it might have been 300,000 or 200,000 for an old school he never got. That nigga's gonna get you. Oh yeah, like. Look, Kiki, shout out to little Kiki. He shown up, told me that, I said, nigga, I got to see mine. Nigga, I'm coming to see you. Yeah, I'm calling about a ticket, nigga, to drive, I'll fly up there. That's how you're gonna do that. I see you had a convention and it wasn't the one I met you at. After that, it was some kind of car convention I've seen you. PRI. What was that all about? So that's the performance racing industry. So that's the business side of racing. Okay. So actually with PRI is where all the different shops, well not the shops, the main factors go. So like Mosul, Kali's, Nitrous Outlet, all the different ones that build the actual products that go on the race cars, that's for them. So it's a trade show just to get knowledge and stuff like that. So it's just like how the magic show where you can go to the main factors and talk to everybody. PRI just on the racing side. So they had me doing some talking explaining to people what actually big wheel racing is and how far what is coming and the kind of crowd that I bring. So another thing what I do is racetrack. So like you'll see tomorrow, we probably have five to eight thousand people at a racetrack and they don't really, a lot of people don't get that many people. Yeah. So the president of PRI, I shout out to Dr. Jamie Myer. So he was like, come to the convention and explain to people how you get these people there, how to market, how to do this with these different brands to a different demographic. So you know what I mean? So that's what my specialty is and I work with the PRI. I'm a brand ambassador for them. I marketed a lot of stuff for them to our demographic of people. So they understand it's just more than going to buy a race car part that you can actually get sponsored by these people. You can learn more about it and you can ask more questions than what they normally used to. So did you think that you'd ever be the face of dunk masters? Like you couldn't have done that. Yeah, I never thought about it but you know what I mean? Just like now I got an app, a video game app where I'm my actual games on. I got a TV show on Motor Trend and Vice. You know what I mean? I got partnerships and collaborations with different major corporations, million dollar corporations. It feels good. Do they reach out to you to do allergies? Or do you reach out to them? Yeah, they reach out to me but like you know what I'm saying? I pray every day. That's good. I pray every day. That's good. I pray every day in God. So you know what I'm saying? That's good. And that's what, and it just continued to come. So all I do is just keep working through open doors and just make sure I educate the people the right way. Where does the name dunk come from and who created that name? See in Miami, I talked to a couple people down there in Miami, some of the OG's down there, Vito, No Shake Shot of Vito and Murph down there in Miami. They, a lot of people tell me they got a dunk come from acting a donkey in the car.  That makes sense. I didn't know. I'm like dunk, where did it come from? What do I mean? That's what they told me about it, you know what I'm saying? So that's what you're rolling with? Oh, that's what it is. That's what they, they're the OG's, you know what I'm saying? They don't want to pay the way for me to do this, what I'm doing with it. That's true. Oh yeah. And who gave you the name dunk master? A young boy out of Orangeburg because I always had old school cars and I hooked them up and I always would do something that nobody ever did. So like this first car, the 06, it actually had a six-speed Tremac transmission in it, with a turbo made 900 horsepower on the first one to ever do that. And I had a COVID interior in the car, a 2013 with kangaroo leather in it, on the first one to ever do that. So that's when they, and then a young boy came, he said, man, he can't look at the car. He looked at the car, he's like, you, you the dunk master. And when he said it, he said it was so much, you know what I mean? So much feeling that everybody liked it. I was like, well, this sound good. You know what I'm saying? Man, the dunk master is a hero, but wait a minute, man. How many of these rappers then try to get that car in these videos, man? Oh, no. I'd have had it in making a style, you're making real friends. I know, I know how to ask these questions. You need me to love the dunk master. How am I to say it? I talked to Slim Thug, Bumbi a lot about different things. Yeah, Slim Thug, we having them cars too. Oh yeah, yeah. We talk a lot about that, about the cars and all this stuff. But they don't race them like him. No, they don't. Nobody, any of the rappers racing them like trying to get into it. So they want to get into the NDRA. So that's another reason why I got it because just like mascot, where they got the big sponsors, Lowe's and Walmart and all that stuff like that. See, Slim Thug and Bumbi, they want to do the same thing. They want to be a part of it. Yeah. So they like what we can do. So I was talking to like Killer Mike, Carlos Miller, yeah, Carlos Miller, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Santa and boy. Yeah. So like I do some of their cars too. So they want to do it Yeah, that's good. For our culture, for our culture demographic. And that's what they want to do. You know what I mean? I'm appreciate it too. I just appreciate the opportunity.  Boy, y'all something else.  Boy, y'all something else. You niggas will take something and spin it in a minute and make it something else. Boy, y'all something else, man. Gotta put it together. Listen, man. I say, man, I don't know.  Well, it's never ending. That's why I say you got to pray every day. You know what I'm saying? You got to pray every day, man. That's all it is. Do you, okay. I've seen, you said 85 soft. Country seed. Carlos Miller. No, I'm saying country seed. The guy that was with you. Yeah. Are you guys still communicating? No, he cool. You know what I mean? He made his decision on what he want to do and I made mine. So he cool. Y'all not rocking no more. No, I ain't doing nothing with him. He cool with me. It's over. Yeah, I ain't got no pressure with him. He all right with me. Were you racing? Oh, me? Yeah, dude. I don't, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I just gotta figure out. You ain't scared to race these people. Nobody. No, no, no, no. Anybody can get it. Anybody. You see what the cups say, right? But don't you think? Have you ever gotten beaten? Have you ever gotten beaten? Yeah, we lost. I lost a couple of times, but I won way more than I lost. That's what it is.  Do you fear that they could go out and pretty much, you know what I'm saying? No, get ready for it. Yeah, nigga. Do you feel like they've watched long enough that they could come back? And replicate. Exactly. Is that what you're saying? You know, like the movie we watched. We like replicate what you have and try it. They can try, but who's sitting right here though? Exactly. Who got the cool? How do you think you're going to do that? Listen, man.  Some of it to tomorrow. Nah, don't listen to the vet. What do you feel?  No, I'm bad with you. Oh, yeah. That's all I do, too. Anybody lose? That's on you. That's your money. Nah, man. I got my own money. I don't know the way y'all do it. Boy, you be cutting up, boy. I seen you. Now I say, I didn't know that day when I went research after.  All right, you got to put it together.  That's what I say. You'll see a lot of tomorrow. So tomorrow, we got that. We got role racing. We got grudge racing. And we got match racing. And we also have a big car show also. So you know what I mean? This is going to be a lot of different things out there. We got motorcycles. The time is from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. Matter of fact, my girl, Baby Girl Florida, she's bringing her 32-inch motorcycle out there. So she got a Harley Davidson with a 32-inch wheel on it with about 20,000 watt silencers on it. So she go have that out there tomorrow. And some people bringing them bikes and stuff like that tomorrow for that, too. That's really cool. Yeah, it's going to be a different array of things. It's a little bit of something that you can check it out. You see, I love bikes, but I like what you call crotch rockets. That's what y'all call it up here. We just call it bikes in Jamaica. Sports bikes, racing bikes.  They are safer. I don't need you doing nothing. If you've got me jeopardizing my life. I remember the first time I told him I wanted a bike. And then all of a sudden, the trike came out. He's like, oh, yeah, you can't get anything with three wheels till it switched. And they had the spiders that looked more sporty or whatever. And I said, oh, yeah, I want that instead of the trike. He's like, uh-uh, uh-uh, you can't get that. People see that as lucrative. You know what you're doing. And they see what, you know, it's a thing, man. It's a lot of white guys that then start trying to do what you guys do. So what do you think about that? And do you see a chance of them taking it over? They can't take over nothing. We can't give it to them. They got to come talk to me. You know what I'm saying? I'll be booing everybody. The whole thing is, I'm the dump master. The reason they try to get into it because of what they see me do, you know what I'm saying? They only can be second place until I do what I do. They can't, you know what I'm saying? They got to copy me to figure out what to do next. So once my next move is made, I'm two steps ahead every time. Yeah, they got to do, you know what I'm saying? And that's the thing about it. I don't have no bad blood with nobody about it, but I just be upfront about it. You know what I'm saying? The reason y'all want to do this is because you see me doing it. You know what I'm saying? So you can't just come in here and say, this is yours and it's not yours. It's just what we started. You know what I'm saying? Did it surprise you when you first seen the other cultures start getting into it? Oh yeah, they do it, but I call them on the phone and say, hey, bro, what you doing? That's what I do. You already see. And they got to stop? No, I call them and talk to them and see what's going on. And what they do? They call and talk to me and see what's going on. This is the real side of it. You know what I'm saying? That's all I do. It's not something that you could just take. You know what I'm saying? It's not to take because it's just more than just racing on big wheels. You know what I'm saying? My voice, my actions, my character. It's a lot of different things that go on to what we're doing. It's just not something that you can just take. You know what I'm saying? So like somebody come and say, I'm boss talk 102. What you going to say? You can say, hey, bro, what you doing? Hey, exactly. Hey, some of them say, hey, don't none. Come on. What are you doing? That's what I do all the time. That's crazy because you just really, you broke the mode when it come down to the internet, YouTube, stuff like that. How did you, how did you move in that area expertise as well? Just understanding how to deal with, you know, because there's money in all avenues of what you're dealing with. Social media and everything else. So how do you, how do you move? How do you learn? The head of design and marketing is Media's Gido, Gido 803. So he does all that stuff for years. So he actually went to school to filming and all that stuff like that. So, so me and him talk constantly about what to do. So just like his analytics on YouTube. Yes. We also, we studied that religiously. So we understand it. And plus I have people around me that's in that. Like Steve Momot, the media fellow you talked to, Gavin, my manager. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  So Steven Morrison actually won an Emmy for producing an ESPN for the last 10 years. So the people around me are very well developed and they understand what's going on. That's good. I don't, we don't got no dummies on the team. You know what I'm saying? That's dope. And that's what it, what it takes to get to this level because it's a path nobody has ever taken. But how long did it take you to build that team? Yeah. So all these people I grew up with. So yeah. So like we grew up with these people. That's good. Yeah. We did different things. In life. And then we just came back at certain times. That's awesome. I got to talk about the elephant in the room, the time when you had to go and do a little time. Oh yeah. And how, how God can change you. Like I say, I've been through a lot the same way.  And how did that fit you? Oh no. I had to put it together. You see what I'm saying? Oh yeah.  So they gave me a year and I had to do seven months out of ESPN time. You got some counting. All right, now it's tea time. No, I'm saying, but they had to run some concurrent time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the counting time. Yeah, with the counting time. So I got a call for Trafficking Marijuana. Over 100 pounds of Trafficking Marijuana, right? But after I did all that, I had to sit down and think about it, put stuff together. But the craziest thing about it, after I did the seven, the months for Trafficking Marijuana, I had a call from a farm in California that want to put me in the, in the cooking stove. That's it? That's it. So, so you know what I mean? So I got my own stretch out of lifting farms and all the different cooking stoves, burners on heat. And you know, burner who got the cooking stove, stoves and stuff all over California. Yeah, yeah, cooking, yeah. Yeah, so, so I, mine that was on the top shelf. I got the, the dunk master and head of poultry. I got a new one that's go dropping. That's a couple more. Listen, we wouldn't have a thought. Nah. When you were locked up, you was trying to rehabilitate. Yeah, that's what I mean.  Yeah, I get to check, I get to check, I get to check. Making them money. I get to check. I get to check. While I sit down. That's why I never went by like rules, man. You can't go by these rules because you don't know what God rules is for your life and your destination, man. So you, when you were sitting down, what was the most important thing that you thought about, that you thought through as you set that time out? My kids, you know what I'm saying? It's real, ain't it? It's trying to figure out my children and what they're doing on a daily basis. Yeah. Is he doing the school work he's supposed to do? You know what I'm saying? Like my daughter, what she gonna think about her daddy? You know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. My kids is real important. So I always want to make sure I'm there and they understand what they're doing. How old are they? I got a five-year-old, a twin that's eight years old, a 10-year-old and a 14-year-old. Okay, so you had them all when you were locked up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was young, you know I mean they were a little bit young because I was locked up from 2018 to 2019. Okay. Yeah, so now that's what I thought about every day. I'll make sure I get up and call them on the phone seven o'clock in the morning before they go to school and all that stuff and I make sure I talk to them as much as I can, write letters and stuff like that. But yeah, that was the hardest part, is my kids. How hard is it for you to be away from them? Because I know you have to travel a lot everywhere. And you don't take them with you? Nah, nah, they go a lot of times they do go. Okay. So yeah, sometimes they go and then I have help with me sometimes.  Different people help me. But yeah, they come to a lot of the ones that's close, but when I got stuff that I got to do back to back to back, sometimes they go, but then it just depends on where I'm going. Do they love what you do? What? They love it. They like going to school to talk to trash. They just like to go to school to tell them, Google my daddy. Just Google my daddy. You know what I'm saying? That's what they'll do. Google my daddy. That's what they'll do. That's what they'll do. I'm getting twisted, nigga. That nigga talk loud. Not only Google or YouTube, that nigga. I want you to feel him. DC, your 14-year-old following your footsteps or any of them one following your footsteps? My 10-year-old, he the one who loved the cause. Wow. So yeah, my 10-year-old son's name's Aya. He loves the cause. Like anything, horse power, like he can put anything together. Like just the other day, I was like, finish your homework up. And when I bought my other son a bigger bed, so he was like, Dad, I can go put that bed together. I'm like, boy, do your homework. I want to put the bed together. He want to put anything together. He get the tools. He look at the thing. He knows what to do.  He's built a whole connect sets. All kind of stuff. He could be ready, yeah. You need to be just giving him stuff to start building. Yeah, he come to the shop with me. He go to the tools. That's good. Yeah, I bring him to the shop all the stuff. Because it's a blessing when you have a child who want to do what you're doing. Because that's rare. You don't always see somebody to finish your legacy. Because that's the reason why we do what we do. To be able to leave a legacy for our children. How many people I know of that have flourishing businesses and the kids don't want anything to do with it. They'll sell it as soon as you're gone. Yep, yep. And that doesn't make any sense. No. I'm going to get back to you, Carl. I had a nigga to paint a car for me one time.  And I think he got some alcohol or something clean.  We got the rust on it. But it didn't look new. Yeah. Is there tricks out there to take shortcuts on the nigga on some chrome? Some stuff, but not on a chrome. Trusty nigga, man. I don't trust these guys. See, like me, I like to redo all my stuff all the time. I don't like using old stuff. Old stuff, yeah. I don't trust them, man. A certain kind of way, like how we build a car to the shop, if we go do it, we know it's the last shop that is leaving. So whatever shop touched it before, it don't matter. It's coming from my shop last. I'll talk to my hair mechanic about it all the time. Yeah, so like if we got a wire car, if we got to add something to the wire harness, we pull the whole wire harness out, start over brand new. Because when it leave us, it's on us. It's your name. Yeah, it's not on the car to the shop before. They don't forget about that shop. So it wants to leave our shop. That's how we always do it like that.  We going to race it. I'm going to put the engine in it, but I want everything else original on it. Yeah, they try to do that, but it ain't going to work. It's all that. You got to do it like this. If we going to do it, this is how I got to go. If not, tick it to someone else.   Tick it somewhere else. Give your money back. They hard headed. I get it money back. Hey, come get the car. Here you go. You don't want him there. It ain't money. Money ain't worth it. No, no. Not when I got people calling me every day all day. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't understand is I got, if I got 20 calls at a shop, I got 200 people calling me. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to vet through these 20 people. All right, who got the money for this right? Hey, bro, you got the money for this. It's time to make a payment. Oh man, next week. Hey, send a tow truck. Come pick it up. Call the man with the money. Hey, he got all the money. And then go to handle this. Damn, no liens or nothing. You don't even want to leave. I don't even want to leave. I don't want to leave. I don't want to leave. Because I'm too big on the internet. That's right. Then get right in it. Oh, don't mess it. No, don't mess it. Don't mess it. Don't mess it. Come get your car. Come get it. Take your money. Take it somewhere else. Wow, that's dope. How did you perfect the interior of understanding how to, you know, like get that interior just right? Because I looked in that car in Vegas and that interior was right. How do you come up with who's going to do the material inside of these cars? Well, Stitch by Slick, he's a longtime partner of mine who does the interior work for a lot of cars I do. So Stitch by Slick, he's out of Columbia, South Carolina. And see, just like me, me and him started in the yard. So, like, before Stitch by Slick, he got a big shop now. He do a lot of, he do Snoop Dogg. He do Carlos Millicore. He do a lot of celebrity cars. He do everybody's cars. Yeah, just like I do. So, like, in the beginning, he started in the backyard in a 12 by 12 shed doing seats and stuff. And now he do celebrity cars all over the world.  He real good at it. Shout out to Stitch by Slick. Wow. He topped the line.  Oh, yeah. That happened all the time, don't it? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, like somebody else bought in you, like, damn, that's the same, because you know about it better than others and all that. See, like, the car that we built, that we do all the way over, they sell for a high dollar. So, like, like the last car did, matter of fact, a fella sold it, sold his shop for 120,000. Okay. That we did, Stitch by Slick did the interior, we did the motor, the transmission, the paint, everything. He had the car for a couple years, sold it to somebody else. Got all his money back. Plus more. Yeah, so like, because we don't have, I only probably got 30 cars out there that's complete, but I have like a lot of engine swaps and stuff out there like that, but by me traveling so much and doing so much other different things, I don't have a lot of time to build it so I rely on my team to do a lot. And they do a great job, it just, so many people want me to build their cars and we don't have so much time, just depending on what their money look like. What would that be? You can build some more shops that you can say, okay, I need to go in my shop over here. Yeah. So you can accommodate everybody. Yeah, we in the process of expanding like that, yeah, but it just, it's one thing, you know, just like you go get something to eat and is that restaurant making it hard? It's hard, it's hard. You know what I'm saying? Because it's not, you're not at every single shop. Yeah, but we're working on it. They're working on it. They're working on it to where you are. And that's what we're just working on, SOP and figuring out the best way to get it done. So we working on it. Are you, the ex, you remember that ex dude? What was his name? Ex-Div. Ex-Div. Yeah, they've been over here. I used to love watching that show. You did what I keep thinking of while you were talking about going through these cars.  I know. I was thinking about it. You know how they come get your car. Oh, yeah. And you can drop the dunk. I'm hiding it. I'm hiding it. So maybe he'll come and get it.  You get your money together because this man can do it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I want to get a check. You gotta have a check. Y'all ever surprise people and redo their vehicles and stuff for the wife or, yeah, for the wife? Yeah. Yeah, the wife, get it. But he too far. Yeah. I'm out and you got a trailer y'all.  They put it on the trailer going back, hell. Yeah. Man, I don't know, man. So what's next for, like, because you always trying to come up with different ideas of how to build a car and make it different. Mm-hmm. What's the next thing that is in your head that you haven't made to fruition yet? I got some top-seeker stuff. He ain't gonna get it. I can't tell nobody. Just a little. Just a little. Just a little. It ain't never been done before. Okay, when are you gonna do it? I'm trying to do it by the next year. By the end of this year. By the end of this year. The car should be finished by the end of this year. So you haven't started working on it? Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah. It ain't never been done before. What kind of car is it? It's a dump. It's a dump. Oh, yeah. I'm the dump master. Now you don't know what, and you just not gonna let us know that. Nah, I can't today. Just keep looking on the news. I'm gonna ask you another question. What's the most you ever bet on on the race? The most I ever bet by myself? Yeah, by yourself. The most I ever bet by myself is $25,000 by myself. Bet it. Put it up. I want the most you ever won. Did you lose?   Nah, the most I ever won. Did you lose? Nah, nah, I won. The most I ever won was $160,000. Wow. By yourself? Nah, that was collectivity. For the whole group, we bet $160,000. Man, y'all got some nerves, man. Know what's biggest? Kahuna's biggest is table. Nigga, I've been nervous. I don't be nervous.  What's the most you ever lost? The most I ever lost, I probably lost $80,000. Yeah, $80,000. Wow, that's the adrenaline rush of it. Oh, yeah. You shoot dice, too, don't you? I ain't know how to beat you.  I ain't gotta shoot them dice, man. Do you race horses, man? Nah, we do. My partners do. My partners are Bruce and Boyd dead on the other country. They race horses all the time. Yeah, they stay racing horses, too. Hold on. I have this question, though. With all the money that you've been making, I know that you have to invest it. Tell me one thing that is your most lucrative investment that you do right now? Some cars? Yeah, really, myself. Really, the brand. Yeah, so my brand is why we got this deal with the coups. I'm about to get into that. But I heard something about you invested in oil, or you did something with oil. Yeah, I heard that, too. Nah, we didn't do nothing about that. Hang on, do you have your own oil? Nah, we got different stuff. But we got detailer sprays and stuff like that coming out. But a lot of stuff I do, I just invest in that brand. Maybe it's coming into it. Maybe it's speaking into existence. Maybe you're gonna buy an oil rig somewhere. You're gonna own it. That's not good to me. Hey, so a coup, man. So I see you wearing this, a dope outfit. I just want to see how did you guys end up linking with a coup? So with a coup with the actual owner, Ralph Reynolds. That's my boy. Don't play. That's my guy. So one night he was just sitting up and dunk masses on TV. And then woke him up out of sleep. And he just walked up and he's seen it on TV. And he ended up watching all the episodes. And then after that, he hit me in the DM. Like, I got the DM from when he first hit me about two years ago. I was like, man, what's up? Give me a call. And I was like, who is this? You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at it. I sent it to my man, Steve Moe. He like, bro, that's the dude who owned a coup. RP55. I said, for real, I said, all right, bet. I hit him back. Steve Moe talked to him. We got him on the phone. We talked about everything for a long time. And it took from that point about two years to get where we at right now. Really? So we just kept talking back and forth. He'd be watching, checking on it. You know what I mean? Cool dude. The team is cool and solid. And that's where it came. He's like, we want to do something with you. And we came up with a plan. And now it's working. You know what I mean? I got a coup. I got a partnership. We're going to be in over 1,500 retail stores on websites. You know what I mean? We're in Dillards.  I know where you at. Oh, yeah. But how was it for you the first time in Vegas at a magic show with a coup? I liked it. You know what I mean? It was a good time. We met a lot of different people. A lot of each other. You met me, yeah, yeah, yeah.   I said, man. I said, nigga, you're going to do nothing. You're not going to go there. I said, I'll tell my wife. She can't tell me. Yeah, I went over there first. She went over there first. I said, why do you talk to who? I said, the dunk, man. I said, he over there. I said, he said he's a sister-in-law. Hey, man. I said, I'm a manager. I said, I'm a sister-in-law.  I got a lot of stuff going on. I got a lot of stuff going on. I got a fine chain. I got employees. I got meetings. I got all the things. I can't keep up with all that stuff. You know what I'm saying now? But I had to know because I had to look through. I said, damn, man. I went in there and talked to Jerry. I said, Jerry, who would that dude y'all got to be with? Y'all got to realize, Ralph and us, we go back all the way to O.A. We really rock. Yeah. And I said, man, who was this nigga? Y'all done got this nigga out of cool and everything.  And you got to go talk to him. And y'all said, I'm going to go out and talk to him. But my wife, when he got managers, you ain't going to be able to get to that nigga. Nah, I said, I got to go. But see, that was, I appreciate the artist in the truth. Because that's what it is. Like, a lot of people don't want a man up. You know what I'm saying? To say that. But that's how it works. It's a system, you know what I mean? That's how I operate it. And that's what I told him. Because even like, if we know you directly, because we deal with a lot of artists and a lot of people, and they'll say, OK, but still hit my manager or part of my booking agent or whatever, because you have to go through certain roles to get to you. I keep that structure. That's all it is. I respect it, but I still want a clown. So me, I'm not done with that foolish, you know what I'm saying? And I was like that. That ain't work. That ain't work. Who's that guy with you? Where is he at? That's Steve Moe. That's the head of business.  I knew that, I said, ah, here we go. But I gave it a direct line to my manager. I got it, man. That's Gavin, right here. He takes you right back. Yeah, he own it, he own it, he own it. Yo, I don't know where you at now. I'm with Gavin, where y'all at this, man. That's all you got to do? Do y'all ever go down to Houston? Nah, nah, yeah. We going out. We once we go, but we working on something else with that. So we go on that team out. Just, Houston had their own type of cars that we had, what they call it, swingers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Slaves and stuff like that. Slaves and stuff like that. They don't break them damn volves and stuff. Why don't you drink about that stuff? I like it. You know what I mean? It's different for everybody. You know what I mean? It's different shows for different folks, but I like the colors and the painting and the work they put into it. The pop trunks of the electric. I like it. You know what I'm saying?  What you know what I mean? I always appreciate the workmanship and stuff that goes into it. So when you travel to other cities, do other cities have their own style of cars too? Oh yeah, all over the place. And that's the thing about it, like with the big wheels only was in the south. So now it's all over the world. So like I'm getting cars shipped from Canada, from Mexico, from El Salvador. So we're working on different cars from all over the country because they want that flavor and that style. Wow. You know what I'm saying? They're looking for me to give it to them and I'm going to deliver. But it's expensive to ship it overseas, isn't it? Oh yeah, but when you mess with people like princes and different people like that, they don't make a difference. Like in Dubai and stuff like that. Yeah, you know what I mean? They got unlimited money. They got millions of dollars. You know what I mean?  So you know what I mean? It's real. They got the money. It's out there and they make it happen. Let me ask you about the... What's the best rims to race on that you think? So the wheels I race on is the Ruge wheels. Okay. You just changed them not too long ago, didn't you? I had Ruge for a couple years, but see I have a lot of input on the main factor of the wheels. So actually on the wheels I have my cars made of a different metal. So it's heat treated. So I actually heat treated boats and stuff that put the wheels together and that's what I use. Okay. Because that's a lot of times I was thinking, okay, how them rims going to stand that pressure? Yeah. Have you ever seen anybody brake rim, brake actual, brake boat?  I done did. Damn. See that's why I say I work with the companies closing the main factors and I do a lot of R&D for them. So like FTI who've been doing my trammage for the last 10 years, they've manufactured me a trammage and a torque converter that would stand 2,500 horsepower and 5,000 pounds. And the same thing with Rucci and Moser. All the different companies I work closely with them and I R&D a lot of stuff for a very long time. Okay, explain to me because like the picture that I chose to put up on that flyer, I noticed that one of the lights are out. Why does, what does that do? So this one I had, the turbo was directly behind the air. So in order to get a better airflow, I removed the headlight to get the turbo straight airflow. And that's why I had it like that at that time. And that helps to get it faster. Yeah, so now to move the turbo over to the front, so it's behind the grill now. So now we got the headlights back on. Where's the best place to have it? Whenever you can get direct airflow. Well, you know what I mean? Just like if you're trying to breathe or anything, just make sure you got direct airflow.  Man, you one of them guys, man. Who is the best, and we about to wrap this up. Who's the best, the driver? The driver, the best driver you've ever seen. Don't say yourself, man. I know you're trying to say it. It's in myself. I knew who you were going to say it, man. I'm talking about who was the second best, son. Hold on, hold on. Let's, let's ask it like this. What's your top three drivers of all time that are alive? Oh, as far as racing, drivers, all together? All together. Well, I like, you know, as far as the highest level of racing, I like John Ford's for like the NHRA race. Because don't catch that trash and he ain't got to get up and he been doing it for a long, long time. You know what I mean? As far as drag racing, I don't have a whole bunch of them, but I know him and then it was an old driver, back in the day called Legend Killer. He had a grudge call. They used to come from D.C. and come from South Carolina, Florida. He wanted a lot of money. As far as drag racing, yeah, I don't have a bunch. This name won in drag. And like regular racing, I like Dale Earnhardt Everybody likes him. Everybody likes him. Yeah, you know what I mean? As far as regular NASCAR racing. Okay, an NDR8. Yeah, as far as NDR8 stuff, I would say Boost Doctor. So it's an older fellow named Boost Doctor who races, shout out to Boost Doctor. He got a box Chevy out of North Carolina and he one of my rivals. Anytime we race, it's a big crowd, a big commotion. If both of y'all race together. Oh, they love it. Because he talking a lot of trash. I talk a lot of trash. I done beat him. He done beat me, but you would never know who gonna win. Is that older man? How old is he? He probably in his 40s and 50s, something like that. That ain't old. He might be older than that. But you know what I'm saying? He a country dude. He an old country fellow. But you know what I'm saying? Him and a big low out of Florida, he a real good racer too. Is there a young driver that's coming up right now in the NDR8 that we should look out for? It's something, it's a... That you see promise. Yeah, it's a fellow named Turbo Stead. Shout out Turbo Stead Stepping Wheels. He out of North Carolina, he's a young fellow. He look like he look pretty promising on coming up with something. Have any of them reached out to you like, man, ask for advice? Oh yeah, I talk to him all the time about different things. Yeah, I'm willing to help a lot of different people. I don't have no problem helping them. You know what I mean? They got questions or anything like that. I don't have a problem with none of that.  Yup, yup. And I'm like, oh well, he found us.  Yup, yup. So I'm like, that's good for fans. He got to check it because he got too damn much money. Money might come through that thing. No, but he's so busy. I didn't even check him. Nigga would challenge him in a heartbeat through a DM. Oh yeah, yeah. But that's good though. I think we get them challenges through the DM. Oh yeah, a lot of them do. Nigga would call you out through the DM. All over the entire stage, yeah. Wherever I'm at, so we put out a schedule every year, and they figure out where we at. Did anybody in the D call you out yet? They always call me out. In Dallas. In Dallas. Everywhere. But you don't go anywhere. But you don't go anywhere.  I'll raise them. I don't beat them in this city. It doesn't beat me one time I beat them. But you know what I mean? We like to race. So you gonna race tomorrow? Anybody from Dallas? Yeah.  That's all I get to do.  I'm gonna race tomorrow. Y'all heard that. I'm gonna get this out tonight. And the money. Nigga will be out there. And the money. You gotta have the money. Yeah, you gotta have the money. Well man, we love you, brother. Thank you for coming on the show, man. How can people get a hold to you if they trying to rock with you? Oh yeah, so you can go to my Instagram. It's one underscore Don't Master. My Facebook is The Don't Master. You can go to my website ndrausa.com or inandoutcustoms.com and check it out. You know what I mean? You can see me on Motor Trend Vice Don't Master TV show. But yeah, that's about it. When are you coming out with your own movie or documentary? Yeah, we're working on it. We're working on it. We're still making life though. We're still doing something new every day. You know what I'm saying? But you're making history with a lot of stuff. So I'm like, okay, you need to have an autobiography or something. All you gotta do is go to G-Daw 803. And he get it from the very beginning. That's it. He don't know them. But we can put it together when it's time. You know what I mean? Right now, we still making history every day. So right now, that's pretty good. Is there anything we left out? Nah, that y'all could be at the racetrack tomorrow to be sure that I'm through. Yeah, we're going to be there. Yeah, we're going to be there. We're coming, man. I just, we can't join them. My first one was I'm excited. I'm gonna go with you doing this. I am. We could have figured this out. I'm excited. I'm putting it together. You're excited? Yeah, because I've never been.  Don't bet. No money means you are nothing. I'll talk to you. You know what I'm saying? Don't put your hand up there. Let me tell you how I'll do it, right? I'm going to be totally honest. I'm going to tell you that I'm going to bet, but I'm going to bet some other stuff over here where you're not going to know I'm going to bet. So when I win that money over here, you ain't going to know about it. What if you lose that money, man? You got to get out of here. Then you're still not going to know about it. That's it, man. Thank you, man. I'm going to tell you something, man. The dunk master been in here. He did his thing, man, on boss talk, one-on-one, man. Like I said, we ain't going to never forget you. And we pulling up on South Carolina, we coming up there to do the show in your place. Oh, yeah. You going to let us come through? Oh, yeah. For sure. I'm serious. I'm pulling up. I pull us up. I appreciate the opportunity. I did it in Vegas. Yeah, we traveled everywhere in this show. We was interviewing that dude. Oh, no. I got my shop in South Carolina. I'm coming up there. I'm coming up there. I just went to 1501. We come to your shop. We've never been to South Carolina. No, we haven't. That's why I'm trying to get up there. I didn't meet somebody. I asked for some rappers or somebody Do you have any entertainers? Good entertainers out of South Carolina? Yeah, all of them, please. This happening, baby. I look at the microphone call. Who is the hottest entertainer out of South Carolina? It's a lot of different entertainers out there. It's a bunch. That was something in South Carolina and in Georgia. Who is the biggest? In the biggest in South Carolina? See, I'm trying to think who would be the biggest one in South Carolina for y'all to do. So I got a lot more in Georgia than South Carolina. See, he didn't even be everywhere. He went everywhere. I got to sit down and think about it for a second. He doesn't even know all them niggas that he ain't. So I got a couple of TV stars, a couple of movie stars.  No, because if you say somebody, then somebody might get mad and you forgot about me. Man, see, I got a lot, though. I do.  We don't come all the way up there and do it. Why?  That's all you got to do. Man, check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the bosses talk. And we out.


Why are men emotionally unavailable? Why are men emotionally constipated? Why do men come on strong and then become distant after a few months of dating? Well, we're gonna dive into this in a second, but I want you to know there is something you can do to get a guy to open up emotionally. And I think it's really important to understand that most men are off in the early stage and the dating dynamic, dating, mating, relating are driven by their testosterone, they're driven by their biology, they're driven by their desire to spread their seed.  What do men think about on a first date? You know this, we are just driven that way. In fact, there's this saying, men are the gas and women are the brakes and what that means is if you're the type of person that seeks a significant relationship with a life partner, if you have a long-term mating strategy, then it's important to understand this and not that being physically intimate isn't within your, I don't wanna say control, but I'm saying you're welcome to be sexually free as much as you want, but at the same time, if you want a significant relationship with someone, I think it's important to understand how men operate and it's important to also understand what causes men to be emotionally available, why they struggle with this. Okay? You know, the sad thing I see today, I've said this before that dating is oftentimes just a long drawn out version of friends with benefits. And what I mean to say, it lacks intentionality and it hyper focuses on attraction and the need to feel attracted to one another without really understanding the mechanics of a healthy, happy relationship. In other words, what makes a relationship work long-term? It's not just about attraction, it's about do you share the same values? Do you have a shared vision of your future? Do you, are your lives capable of blending with one another and more importantly, is this person emotionally mature enough from a perspective of relationship skills and we're gonna also talk about from the perspective of emotionally being able to invest in the relationship. So raise your hand or hit the like button if you've ever seen the show Good Doctor, the Good Doctor. Now, I'll give you a quick synopsis of this. This is about a man who is a high functioning autistic person who is a surgeon and throughout the show, we witness his shift of being able to, he struggles to express himself emotionally. He's kind of within a bubble. He also blurts out things without a filter. And when I think of this show, I think of most men from an emotional perspective. They struggle expressing themselves. They blurt things out or they repress their feelings within a state of emotional fear. Now, you have to recognize for those of us who are baby boomers or Gen Xers, at least here in the United States, most of us men were taught to stuff our emotions, to be stoic, that even violence to some degrees demonstrates masculinity, certainly within high physical contact sports. So we've been indoctrinated in this expectation of not being not, or we've been indoctrinated in this expectation of not demonstrating emotions. And because of that, most men on some level are emotionally constipated. What does constipation means? That they're stuck. That's all that they're stuck. And I'm gonna give you some tools here in a moment to unstuck this guy, to flush out his emotions. And let me be clear, most men when they're together with other men in the locker room, if you will, they don't share their fears and insecurities. Let's think about this for a moment. When we're most vulnerable, when we're really vulnerable is when we share a fear or insecurity. And most men don't do that. Women have a propensity of being able to easily share their fears and insecurities amongst themselves and even within men. I think a lot of women don't have a fear around expressing their fears and insecurities. Although, well, let me backtrack. Most of you women have a fear of expressing your insecurity that a guy might abandon you. So what you oftentimes do is abandon your own truth in relationship, truly how you feel about them, that you feel about the person, how you fear that they might abandon you. So you'll stuff those feelings in, but you'll talk to your girlfriends about it, but not the partner or the person that you're in a romantic relationship with. Men struggle with this. And let me just say this, we won't learn how to open up or we don't learn how to open up from our male friends, from our father figures. It's very rare that a man will learn from another man how to emote his feelings learning it through a man. It's only through a woman. I shouldn't say only, that makes it an absolute. Most likely, the way to a man's heart is going to come from a woman. And what I mean from his heart is being able to express himself. I know for me personally, many of you revere me as a person that has a capacity to emote his feelings. I have the capacity to be vulnerable, authentic and transparent, for the most part. I'm not saying I'm the stellar person, but I do recognize that within myself. Why am I sharing this? Because it is because of women, partially my professional capacity, but few select women in my life that were able to extract it from me, that capacity to tear down that wall of fear by being loving and supporting. And they did this one thing to start. They led by example. They set an example of what openness looks like without compromising their boundaries. So ladies, I'm gonna share with you. I know many men who have reached their heart because of the women that they've been in relationship with, and they've been with women who express their feelings without it being a vomiting of their feelings, without compromising their boundaries, without being a doormat, they simply express how they feel about the person they're with, about things in their life, and even their fears from a very calm, rational place. A calm, rational place. See, most men, I'm gonna, again, I'm trying not to be absolute, but occasionally I do. Most men fear that vomiting of feelings, that overreacting experience many women have, and it overwhelms us. It's just too much information to come in. It's like taking your sunglasses off and go, oh, the sun is bright. By the way, you never wanna look directly into the sun, but any light that you're looking at, if you took your sunglasses off, it's too much. So first, learn to express yourself from a calm, cool, collected place, and most importantly, as I talk about in my book, what the heck is self-love anyway, a journey of personal development, self-help and spiritual work, link below to get a copy of my book. Chapter one is speak your truth. Just do it in a kind, loving, compassionate, logical way. Now, I know you might be thinking feelings and logic don't go hand in hand, but in a very calm, graceful way. Not in an accusatory way. See, oftentimes women share their feelings of, you're not doing this to make me feel happy. It's accusatory. Just share that you're not feeling happy in this dynamic for whatever reason. You know, and it could be simply, you know what, it would feel really good if we were able to connect with each other before we go to bed, you know, via text message or a telephone call or a FaceTime. It would feel really good. That's just a simple way to get the ball rolling as an example. Number two, don't force the relationship. I'm here to say, I want you to think of a relationship like a ping pong game. You're mutually making effort to one another. You're driving down a two-lane street side by side. It's not you pulling him along. If you have to pull a man along, in other words, if you have to constantly send text message to say, hey, I'm here, you know, then it's probably not the right relationship for you. It's probably not the right man for you if you have to force or push the relationship along. It should be a nice gradual giving and receiving. I'm a big proponent for women, you know, very early on the dating processes to invite the man out on a date, pay for that date, make a plan, and then if he does the next one and then you do one after that, it's like a mutual investment. It doesn't feel one-sided. I know you're indoctrinated in this belief that men are supposed to do, do, do, and you just sit back and you're divine feminine. I'm gonna tell you something with midlife men, they appreciate effort. They appreciate effort. And when it's mutual effort, you build these roots or it's like sewing fabric together. When it's mutual effort, it doesn't work when it's once, or it can work when it's one-sided, but when it's mutual effort has greater strength to the fabric, if you will, or the tapestry. Number three, ask questions using feeling statements or ask questions that evoke feelings. You know, most dating today is like that Seinfeld joke. How's your day going? Did you have a good day? I hope you had a good day. I'm thinking of you today. I want you to try the following. Anything special happened to you today. Anything unique happened to you today. Anything interesting happened to you today. I want you to think of the word special, unique, interesting. It evokes emotions to anything special and you think about that word special, anything special. And maybe the person might struggle expressing it. Use words that evoke feelings. I want you to think about feelings. Happy, sad, frustrated. I'm struggling here. I mean, I have a list of feelings over there. Disgust, anguish, melancholy, joyful, exuberant. These are all feelings. See, if you want to get a man to open up then start to use words that evoke feelings, special, interesting, unique. Those evoke feelings and have conversations about that.  You spend more time text messaging. But Jonathan, we're in this long distance relationship. We can't be face to face. I get it. I get that's the dynamic you chose, but let me just say this. It is through social activities, hobbies, mutual interest and what I'm about to share next, where you can build these deeper roots of trust within the relationship, because trust isn't just about fidelity. Trust is, does this person have my best interest at heart? Like trust is, I have your best interest. Your best interests are my best interest. And trust is built through the experiences and a variety of different circumstances. And one really good one is, while driving in a car, create an opportunity where you're gonna spend an hour together in a car. This is a very intimate space to practice those words of special, unique, interesting. How about even asking what frust, anything frustrate you today? That might be an interesting way to create a conversation. I know it comes across as negative, but it evokes emotion and within that emotion, you can unpack, you can unpack what's going on behind that. So spend time in a car. You've got this captivating audience when you're together in a car. But Jonathan, we're in long distance. I get it, but guess what folks? Long distance relationships are even a gazillion times harder to nurture than those that when you live 10 minutes from each other. Now the fifth thing I want you to consider is you have to take his personality into this equation. So now I'm gonna stereotype a little bit here. Forgive me, I'm gonna stereotype here for a second. Engineers and nerds and people that are in a protective capacity. Policemen, firemen, that sort of thing. Oftentimes they are in their head. A lot of men professionally are in their head. Engineers, nerds, even the fact. Now the firemen are actually, no, let me retract that. Firemen are in their body, but they're in this protective mode. They almost, a policeman are in this protective cocoon. So they might be in their body physically, but they're in a protective cocoon.  You have to take into account who they are, their personality, when it comes to exploiting their emotions. And I use the word exploit, I just simply mean to flush it out. And a great way to do this with people that are in their heads or they're protective in their body is through humor. I think going to a comedy club is actually piggybacks on the next thing. Do things that are different. I remember once I was on a second date, the woman I was with wanted to go to Disneyland. And while we're in Disneyland, and folks that you need to understand something about my personality, coming back to personality, is I really detest lines. I am an impatient human being. It's something I'm working on, but I have struggled with patience. And what was interesting is we spent hours in lines versus the actual ride. And in those lines, she just flushed out a lot of conversation that engage the two of us together. And when you're in this cocoon or container of lines, it's an opportunity to create more conversation to get to know another human being. So take into account their personality and create opportunities to flush out who they are.  You have to give a man room for practice. I invite all of you to read the book, Emotional Intimacy by Robert Masters. I highly recommend reading this so you can get an understanding of what emotional intimacy is all about. Many of you think, again, because you have a capacity to vomit your feelings to your girlfriends, that that's intimacy.  Look into a person. If you wanna get a man to open up, first understand the mechanics of emotional intimacy. And this book is just, I mean, it has just got a plethora of information to help you the next time you find yourself with that guy who's a little bit constipated. What is constipation?  And you will find, just like what happened for me, you will find that when you begin to demonstrate emotional IQ to a man, if he has the capacity, he will follow suit. If he has the capacity. This is why I'm such a big, by the way, there's a link right here to schedule a discovery call with me. One of my areas of expertise is vetting for emotional maturity and relationship skills. Remember I said earlier, you know, our current dating process is just this strung out version of friends with benefits is because men emotionally, when their testosterone is up, they'll drive, they drive, they're driven by the desire to be physically intimate with you. And what doesn't happen is building and nurturing those other aspects of a relationship because guess what, ladies? This is on you, whether you like it or not, I know you'd like to meet a man who's fully trained, but guess what? If you train a guy right, you're going to have the best of both worlds. And that's my invitation for you. Is this sinking in? Is this resonating? Please let me know. I'd like to hear your thoughts. You might disagree with me on things, but post a comment below. I'd like to hear your thoughts. I do my best to read them all. If you find value in this, hey, for those in my group called Midlife Love Mastery, send your friends to my website, jonathanasley.com. Have them click the group coaching button so they can join our fantastic group and have direct access to me on a regular basis through our Facebook group and our once a month webinars and Q and A calls.  I'm going to reach into the camera and give you a hug of love if that's okay. I'm going to ask you to turn to someone, a pet, a teddy bear pillow and give it or them a hug of love because hugs are a great source of love. And let's face it, we could all use more love in our lives. Thanks a bunch. Bye-bye now. Bye-bye.