Breaking news today, Tom, I must confess I was so impressed. You got Konstantin Karinopoulos to join your advisory board. That has to be sending out extraordinary messages to the market. How did you make this happen? Hi, Tracy, good to be back with you here. We're very excited to have Konstantin on our advisory board. It wasn't easy because, as you know, Konstantin is one of the top experts when it comes to rare earths worldwide and he is very selective in what he does. I'm sure he likes hobbyist projects and Konstantin decided to give us a hand. Not only has Konstantin Karinopoulos led the leading rare earth and put together other critical mineral deals like Neolithicum, I know he had a big part in that particular deal. Can you tell me a little bit more about what may have enticed him to join your advisory board? Was it your Brazil project, your rare earth project, or your exciting uranium project? I would say it's all of the above, but the Brazilian project, the PCH project will be, I think, one of the more interesting projects for Konstantin because it's rare earths in ionic clays and it's heavy rare earths and magnet rare earths. So Konstantin had an opportunity to visit the project and looked at it and I think he liked the project and he decided to join us. Well, for those of you out there that may just be going, okay, ionic clays, we're seeing all kinds of headlines out there with regards to rare earths, you also convinced Don Haynes to join your advisory board and he is deemed one of the absolute best geologists in the world. Can you tell us a little bit more about Don's role and involvement in your projects? Don is what we call a very well-known expert with this type of projects, lithium rare earths, industrial minerals, and I know Don for the last 20, 25 years, I've been showing him projects and the first project that I showed him that he got excited about was the PCH project. So Don has been our consultant from day one. He actually, when we did the due diligence, Don visited the project and the property and he came back and he says, yeah, it's very exciting, very interesting, we could have something here and since then basically Don is our consultant. So Don has been a consultant and an advisor from day one on the PCH project. Well speaking of other consultants that I know have been involved with APIA over the years that were announced in this pile up of mega, mega talent joining the APIA Rare Earths and Uranium team in this morning's news release was of course, Jack Lipton. Tell us a little bit more about Jack Lipton's role with APIA, please. Jack again is an advisor of APIA. He is sitting on the advisory board with Constantine Don Haynes and as you know, Jack is a very well respected, very well known, very Earth expert and he has been for many years. He knows the industry, he knows the market and so we think APIA will be having three top well known experts, very Earth experts on our advisory board, it's very exciting and I think it speaks for itself. Well what I personally like and those of you out there who are in the markets will appreciate this is this came right on the heels of some extraordinary drilling results. You had some outstanding diamond drill results that you just put out, some very high-grade zones identified, can you share a little bit more about these results with our audience who may be new to APIA? We acquired this PCH project, an option to earn 70% on this project back in June, July last year and since then we've drilled about 300 drill holes. So we have been getting very exciting results on this drilling constantly. I mean we had in terms of rare earths, we had up to 93,000 parts per million, which is 9.3% total rare earth oxide and this is basically in sort of the all the rare earths that we're talking about here are within the top let's say 20 meters from surface. It's mainly in clay or saprolyte but the previous owners had drill three or four diamond drill holes and the first diamond drill hole that they drill went down to 100 meters. They stopped at 100 meters and they had some really good results but we had to APIA decided to reassay that core and just to make sure that we get the right numbers. So what we announced a couple of days ago is the reassaying of the first diamond drill hole that the sellers did. So we had from zero to 100 meters at the end of the hole 3,577 parts per million. We thinned that we had from surface to 18 meters, 9,445 parts per million total rare earth oxide, seven meters within that was 18,275 parts per million and one and a half meter was over 30,000 parts per million and just for comparison there's a deposit that went into production in the same area, same general area that we are at the Sierra Verde and their average grade is 1200 parts per million in terms of what their the deposit is the overall average. So we're getting up to 93,000 it's very very exciting and we're actually working on a 43 on the one resource the first resource calculation that we hope to have it out in the next few weeks or a month or two months. So that would I think that would give the industry some good idea of what the what the initial results and numbers are for this BCH project. And of course I love the artwork behind you. I have to draw some parallels here to David versus Goliath. How the heck did Appia secure such an extraordinary project in Brazil? Can you comment on that? We have been looking for rare earth projects for a while and where I've been looking down in Brazil we looked at some projects in the last few years and then we just happened to get a call with what we're one of the rare earth companies that I guess were approached for this project and because I was looking for this type of project I was ready and and I jumped on it you know I think there were some other companies that were interested and but you know we bit them to it and and we're quite excited. Well speaking of being exciting it seems like your formula at Appia is a win-win. You've got two of the most significant critical minerals that people are talking about right now and nothing's hotter than the uranium market and for those of you that are out there it's Appia rare earths and uranium. So you recently put out some plans for drilling over at your uranium bearing project in Saskatchewan. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you're doing with that because you have held positions in several uranium projects over the years? Yes Tracey Appia started as a uranium company so we do have four uranium projects in around the Atabasca basin in North Saskatchewan and obviously we also have the Alsace lake which is the high-grade monocyte rare earth project in the same area and in addition to that we have a large deposit in Elio Lake Ontario where we have in both in fair and indicated categories of about 55 million pounds of uranium and about 180 million pounds of rare earths and now with the uranium crisis going higher and there are over $100 that project looks very exciting. So in terms of the what we're doing we have one of those projects is the Lorentor it's close to the infrastructure mining there's from the producing mines there's power and we had a couple of drilling campaigns in the last few years there and now we did a deal with the First Nations over there so and we're looking to drill this project you know weather permitting in the next month or two because it's a project that we like to drill in the winter months so we're still waiting for a drilling permit and if we get this drilling permit you know we're hoping to pour a few holes in this very exciting uranium project in the next few weeks. So I am certain many people out there are going Appiah we have to talk to Tom or Stephen Borrega or Constantine Jack or Don will you all be at PDAC and how can we find you? We have a booth there and I'm sorry I forgot the number on it but we do have a booth and we've been on the PDAC for the last 15-20 years anywhere and so people should look for the Appiah booth and we'll be there to to meet and talk to everybody who's interested. Well thank you so much for the update Tom we look forward to seeing you both at PDAC and I'm also looking forward to having a chat with Constantine about and Jack Lipton about how amazing these projects are for Appiah, Rare Earths and Uranium. Thank you. Thank you Tracy.


Hey, thank you. Sit down. Sit down. Sit. Sit.  And that's, you know, I was actually, I told Jane, I said, I don't know if anybody's gonna show up tonight, because normally we have guest speakers during our Seek First Wednesdays, and you guys hear me on weekends, so hearing me on Wednesday, I was like, oh, well, whoever will be there, it'll be awesome, and you guys totally shocked us. Look at, I mean, this is a packed house on a Wednesday night in the heart of Christmas season, so love all of you.  Thank you so much. And, man, I'm excited about tonight. I was reading, I've been reading, I read through the Book of Acts almost every month, and I was reading it the other day. Jane and I are also going through it. We read it, read a chapter or so a day, and I was reading about how Paul preached really long, and a guy fell out of a window and almost died. One of my favorite stories in the Bible. And Paul went down and prayed for him and raised him up and then went back upstairs and preached the whole rest of the night. And I just thought, that's my kind of guy right there. It's like 35 minute sermons, come on. You got to preach until somebody dies. I think that's kind of like the standard. So I'm not going to preach that long tonight, but I am excited about tonight because I feel like these Seek First nights are opportunity for the hungry and the thirsty to draw together and for us to really spend more time and prayer and worship. And I kind of get to, when I have these opportunities, to just share a little bit offline, a little bit, maybe a little bit deeper. And so I want to invite you to turn with me to Acts chapter one in your Bibles. Tonight, my message is prayer and worship, the fuel for our mission. And I want to talk a little bit about the prayer center, the prayer room downtown, and all of the Radiant City Center, the philosophy of Radiant Church, and what God is specifically calling us to in the next phase and the next season as we're expanding in our future and having a presence downtown. And those kinds of things on top of also showing you some things out of the Book of Acts. But here's one thing that I've noticed, and let me back up 23 years and remind you that when we were just planting Radiant, I had a God encounter with the Lord in my car on 131 as a 25-year-old future church planter who was scared out of his mind that I was going to mess it up. And I was praying in the car and saying, you know, Lord, if you'll tell me what to do, I will do it. I know I'm supposed to plant this church. What's it supposed to look like? And the only way to describe it is I sensed, became very, very aware of the presence of the Lord in a tangible, manifest way with me in the car. And not in a audible voice that necessarily you could have heard outside, but internal. You guys know what I mean by that? Internal, I heard what almost shook me from the inside out. The voice of the Lord say, lead, build a praying and a worshiping church. Build a praying and a worshiping church. And those two things, that prayer and worship, became like the two pedals on a bike. That, you know, you don't know which one drives the other, but they work in tandem together. Those have been values, not just things that we embrace as important, every church does. I don't know of a church anywhere that would say that prayer and worship are not important, but for us, they were the driving pedals of this movement that we've come to know as radiant. What I have recognized though over the course of several years of leading is that oftentimes in the body of Christ and not just here, but just the church, Jesus' church, there tends to be an emphasis upon one being more significant or important than the other. For example, you'll have churches who will say it's all about worship. You'll have other churches that say it's all about prayer. And you'll have other churches that will say it's all about missions. It's all about the mission, the great commission of Jesus. And what I think is that we've created false dichotomies where we've said, well, it's got to be this, or it's got to be this, or it's got to be this. When really all of them work together, I want you to write, if you're writing notes, I want you to write this formula down. I hate formulas, but this helps me see the lens of God's priorities as I read the book of Acts. Because the book of Acts is like a blueprint of how Jesus wants to build the church. It goes like this, prayer plus power equals propulsion. Prayer plus power equals propulsion. Look with me here at Acts chapter 1 and verse 8. In Acts chapter 1, these are some of the last words that Jesus gives his followers. He's gone to the cross, we know that. He died, they didn't understand it. The third day he rises again, he pulls Peter back in. He spends 40 days with his apostles teaching them things pertaining the kingdom of God. So imagine spending 40 days, a 40-day Bible college with the resurrected Jesus. That's not a bad deal. And he's informing you about the kingdom of God. I think it's interesting that it took 40 days to change the paradigm of his disciples to see through a kingdom lens instead of their own earthly, fleshly, carnal lens. And then when we get to Acts chapter 1 and verse 8, Jesus is about to ascend to the Father to the right hand of God. And he's already given them the great commission to go into all the world, preach the gospel. Acts 1-8, in response to their question, they said, Jesus, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? Jesus says not for you to know times or seasons, but here's what's important for you to know. What's important for you to know is you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria and to the uttermost parts of the world. Notice what Jesus said. Listen, it's not important for you to know the timing of God. It's not important for you to know the dispensations or the economies of how God is going to accomplish, you know, the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and eschatology. You know, those things are important, but they're not the priority. The priority is that you need to know this, that you're going to receive power. When are you going to receive power? Well, he had told them, I want you to go to Jerusalem and I want you to wait for the promise of the Father. And what we will find out in the rest of Acts chapter 1 and Acts chapter 2, beginning in verse number 1, is that for the next 10 days, the disciples went into an upper room with Mary, the mother of Jesus, the brothers of Jesus, who've now become believers and followers of Jesus. If you are familiar with your New Testament, that would be the James who wrote the book of James and Jude who wrote the book of Jude. They didn't believe in Jesus and they didn't acknowledge Him as the Messiah until after the resurrection. Now they're stunned and in awe. They're with Mary, their mother, and the 12, or the 12 including Matthias and a whole bunch of others, 120 in an upper room. And for 10 days, they're obeying Jesus by waiting. Waiting. He said, I want you to wait for the promise of the Father. What was the promise of the Father? You shall receive power from the Holy Spirit. He will come upon you, you'll be empowered, and then you'll be thrust or propelled into the mission. So what did they do for 10 days? They prayed. Prayed 120 people in a 10-day prayer meeting. That's a prayer meeting. Can you imagine that? Now here's what's interesting to me is that when you read 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and Paul is talking about his own apostolic ministry. He talks about the gospel message that he had received that after Jesus had been raised from the dead, he appeared to the 12, then he appeared to 500 brethren at one time. And then Paul, lastly a man who was born out of season. So what we can estimate is that somewhere around 530 plus people saw Jesus after his resurrection, who were his followers. But what we find is that by the time there was the upper room, there's 120, and then even less than that, 10 days later on the day of Pentecost. And I just wonder, you know, where's the other 300 plus people who Jesus appeared to? Oftentimes we think, oh, Jesus would just appear to me and I could see what the disciples saw and touch his hands and touch feet. I'd believe, I'd be all in, I'd be committed. No, you'd skip the prayer meeting too probably. I mean, a vast majority of people would. That wouldn't make a difference because we have the same challenges today that they had then. But here's what's interesting is you find a pattern in the book of Acts that goes from Jesus saying, pray, pray, and you shall receive number two, power. And the power will propel you into mission. And it's not one or the other.  A lot of times people will categorize one. And can I just tell you, it's like the combustive engine, the combustion engine that we have in our vehicles. You can have a spark in your engine, but if you don't have any fuel in your tank for the spark to grab a hold of to create combustion, the vehicle won't move. And all three of those work together. The spark, the flame is the power of the Holy Spirit that comes on the hungry and thirsty. That is the product of living lives of prayer and worship that will ultimately result in us being propelled into the uttermost parts of the world. The pages of the book of Acts, Acts chapter 28 chapters are all about the church going from Jerusalem to the uttermost parts of the world. And you know that the last verse of the book of Acts does not say amen. A lot of the books in the epistles end with an amen, which means done. The last word in the book of Acts, does anybody know what it is?  Here's what it is. Unhindered. It says that Paul continued to preach the gospel unhindered, which means unstoppable. And the Acts chapter 28 is not the last chapter of the book of Acts. There's 2,000 years more of the book of Acts that are being written that we won't get to read until we get to heaven. And can I tell you, you were destined to have your name in the eternal book of Acts. To be people of prayer, to be people of power that are propelled out into mission.  I don't know what will. Let me read to you this quote from E.M. Bounds, one of my favorite books called Power Through Prayer. He says, what the church needs today is not more machinery or better, not new organizations or more novel ideas, but men whom the Holy Spirit can use. And whenever he says men realize it's a bygone time, he's talking about men and women. Men whom the Holy Spirit can use. Men of prayer, men mighty in prayer. The Holy Spirit does not flow through methods, but through men. He does not come upon machinery, but on men. He does not anoint plans, but men, men of prayer. He goes on to say this, man is looking for better methods, God is looking for better men. We're constantly looking for what's the new, what's the new model, what's the new technique, what's the new piece of technology, what's the new thing that we can leverage in order to grow, to reach more people. And all of those things are fantastic, but I think what Jesus is doing in this current hour is he is speaking to his church and bringing us back to our core foundations that we find right in the book of Acts. The very first chapter, when Jesus lays the foundation stones of his church, he lays them by saying, I want you to pray, I want you to receive power, and that is going to thrust you out into mission. What our world and what this generation needs to see more than anything is they need to see the power of God that is active, animated, and alive in his people, resulting in good works that point people back to the God of Heaven. That's what the world needs to see. They need to see Jesus in us. They don't need to hear how smart we are because we're not that smart. They don't need to see our methodology because we're never going to compete methodology-wise. Let me tell you what I mean by that. We can have amazing kids' spaces. We should, and we will, and we do. But it's never going to be Disney. Why can't we hear of Disney? Oh, because Disney has billions of dollars, and if God wants to give us a billion dollars, we will create the world's most incredible children's space. So if you want to write that check, make that out to Radiant Church, you can text it, as a matter of fact, 77977, text $1 billion, and we're good to go. We'll even create our own Radiant, you know, channel, like Disney Channel. We'll do all that kind of stuff. It'll be awesome. Write the check. But practically, we're not going to compete that way. We're not going to compete with sound and lighting and video and musicianship. I mean, you can go to Wembley Stadium and 100,000 people in England and to see, you know, the world's greatest bands and reunion bands and those kinds. We're not going to compete with those things, but we shouldn't compete with them. For too long, the churches tried to imitate those things, and we look like a knock-off version of, when I was a kid, my mom would not buy me nikes, so she bought me, like, no-keys. Because they were at the discount store. You could get no-keys. It was an upswish. It was an under-swish. And she's like, oh, they're the same thing. No, they're not. Right? Or, you know, I wanted Levi's, and so I got, like, CVise or something. You know, just some knock-off, counterfeit version of something. Or, like, when you're in a place and they're selling, you know, knock-off Rolexes for $5. Great deal. They won't last, and they don't keep time, but they look good until they turn your skin green. What the church does not need to be is a counterfeit, weakened, knock-off, cheesy version of what the world is. What the church needs to be is an authentic expression of who Jesus is. And what we have that the world doesn't have is the presence, the manifest presence of Almighty God in our midst that distinguishes us as the people of God. We have the power of the Holy Spirit that Hollywood tries to replicate in all their movies called Marvel and all the superhero movies. And we have authority over demons, which they try and replicate with all of their horror movies that they put out. Those are the cheap knock-offs of what we are in the kingdom. Why are we constantly leaning away from what distinguishes us as different and otherworldly and then trying to counterfeit the one thing that they do better than us? Now, listen, I'm all about buildings. I'm all about expansion. I'm all about tools and technology. We'll utilize those things, but those are not what God anoints. Well, God anoints His people. His people. And we want to be those people that God anoints. Alright, I'm going to take you on a little journey. Alright, if you have your Bibles, this is called sword drill for those of you who maybe grew up in church. I want to show you a pattern in the book of Acts. Are you ready? Number one, look, you saw Acts 1.8. Look at Acts 1.14. If they'll put Acts 1.14 up on the screen for me. Acts 1.14. Acts 1.14. I'll just quote it for you. Okay, it says, and they were all together in one accord, devoting themselves to prayer. I hope you guys have these scriptures because I'm about to throw a lot of them up there. Do you have them? Can somebody in the back tell me if we have them? Okay, good. Alright, so put the next one up. Just go ahead and put them up in the order that you have them. Okay, here we go. Acts 2.42. Look at it. And they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and fellowship into the breaking of bread and to? Okay, put the next one out. What's the next one that you got? Next verse. Acts 4.31. And when they had the place in which they were gathered together was? Okay, throw the next scripture out. Acts 10.33. And Cornelius said four days ago about this hour I was? In my house at the ninth hour, and behold, go ahead and throw the next scripture out. And the man stood before me in bright clothing and said, Cornelius, you're? Has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God. Throw the next one out. And when he realized this, he went into the house of Mary. This is Acts 12.12. When he realized this, he went into the house of Mary, the mother of John, whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were? Okay, throw the next one out. Acts 13.1. It says we're not going 52 verses, by the way. While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, separate unto me, Paul and Barnabas, for the work to which I have them. And then after fasting and? They laid their hands on them and sent them off. Okay, jump ahead to Acts 16. Acts 16.1. About midnight Paul and Silas were? And singing hymns to God. And the prisoners were listening to them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake so that the foundations of the prison were? Okay, do you guys see a pattern? And these are just a smattering. I could take you through about 50 verses in the book of Acts, where we see the early church expanding, multiplying, impacting even people from outside of the church who hated the church when they described the church said, uh-oh, these are those who are turning the world upside down. Paul goes into the city of Ephesus. Revival sparks. People begin to burn about $50 million worth of witchcraft books. And the largest church in the world at that time was birthed in the city of Ephesus, which was also the headquarters of the largest witchcraft library and the temple to Artemis in the entire world. Everywhere that they went they were propelled with the gospel. It was fruitful. There were signs. There was wonders. There was miracles. Most of these scriptures, if you go back and you read the full context of them, you've got Paul and Silas who have preached the gospel. They're in prison. What happens? They're praying and worshiping at about midnight and the chains fell off of them. The cell doors opened up. All the prisoners came out. The centurion is about to kill himself. Paul and Silas said, don't kill yourself. We're all here. And by the end of the night before the sun comes up, they baptized him and his whole family and gone back into the prison before they get delivered. You got Peter who's in jail for preaching the gospel in Acts chapter 12. And it says that there's a corporate prayer meeting going on for Peter because James has just been martyred and they're praying. And here's Peter in prison probably thinking to himself, okay, is this the end? And all of a sudden an angel comes in and frees frames everybody and says, Peter, come with me. And he's like, what? He's like, yeah, come with me. And the angel just kind of throws open jail doors. Well, everybody's frees frame. And Peter walks out of jail. He goes to the prayer meeting, knocks on the door, and the girl comes to the door and says, ah! And leaves, goes back to the prayer meeting and says, Peter's at the door and there's like, shh, we're busy praying for Peter. No, he's here. No, it's got to be his ghost. No, he's here. How'd you like to show up to that prayer meeting? Prison doors get thrown open. Foundations get shaken. They're filled with power in Acts chapter four. They are filled with power and they begin to declare the word of God with boldness. Everything that the early church did, they did as a result of this formula of prayer that leads to power, boldness, courage, that word power in the book of Acts, Acts chapter one verse eight is the Greek word dunamis. It's where we get the word dynamite from. Explosive, otherworldly kingdom, supernatural power so that they could be witnesses. And they went into all the entire known world. I'll tell you this little bonus information. Don't tell anybody I told you this. But the Greek word for witness is the word martyr. How about that? Anybody fired up to do some witnessing? Because when you read Acts chapter 12, it says they did not love their own lives even unto death, but they overcame the accuser of the brethren by the blood of the lamb, the testimony, their own testimony. And they did not love their lives even to the point of death. They were so captivated by who Jesus was. They'd been so changed by encountering Him. And they were so filled with power and passion that they were willing even to lay down their lives if necessary. And guys, if I can just be honest right now around the world, more people are martyred for their faith as Christians today than at any other time in world history. In Muslim nations, in communist nations, totalitarian nations, tribal feuds that are going on in Africa, different places all over the world, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan, Hong Kong, China, all over Mongolia, Russia even. There are people that right now are paying the ultimate price. Some in chains as prisoners. Some martyred. Some by property confiscation. What is it that fuels a church like that that doesn't have monetary resources that we have as the American church? What is it that fuels that level of boldness and faith among people that don't have the Bible reference resources that we have, the theological training that we have, that you don't have the musical excellence that we have? They don't have the buildings or the free access to worship in them that we have? What is it that fuels the church and these believers globally to live their life so radically that the government sees them as a threat and the enemy sees them as a threat because they're turning the world upside down? Well, I will tell you, it's the people of prayer who have received power and have been propelled. They've been propelled. You see, the ultimate purpose of the church is not necessarily just the Great Commission. We always say, well, the purpose of the church is the Great Commission. Yes, that is our assignment, but it is not necessarily our purpose. What is our purpose? Well, our purpose is to give God what he wants most. Count Zinzendorf, who is the leader of the Moravian movement, that was one of the... How many have never heard of Count Ludwig von Zinzendorf? You've never heard that name? Raise your hand. Let me tell you about this guy. So he was a very wealthy, in modern terms, he would be probably German or Czech, but he was a very, very wealthy landowner. And there were a group of believers that were being persecuted in surrounding countries that he gave refuge to on his large estate piece of property called Hernhut. And what he did was he invited them in, and these leaders were called the Moravians. These Christians were called the Moravians, and they came there, and they started this little community. And Zinzendorf was this man who felt a call to ministry, felt a call to do something significant for God. And so what ended up happening is in this group at Hernhut, they birthed prayer 24-7, and it became a 100-year prayer meeting around the clock, 24 hours a day for 100 years. But out of that prayer meeting sparked one of the first great missions awakenings. Because some of these Moravians coming out of these prayer meetings, encountering the Lord. How many know you can't encounter the Lord without what is on the Lord's heart? What is on the Lord's heart rubbing off on you? And there is nothing that is on God's heart more than the lost, than those who have never heard the gospel, because that is what Jesus went to the cross for. And so what they began to do is many of them were called into world missions. So several of them sold themselves, think about this, they sold themselves into slavery to the West Indies, so that they could go there and preach the gospel to the slaves and the natives and the people in the West Indies who did not have a witness. Literally went down to the slave market and sold themselves, were put on slave ships sent to the West Indies for the sake of the mission. How radical is that? And the Moravian movement is an example of how prayer propels us out of the power and out of the passion of Jesus' heart to go and to be propelled into the mission of Jesus. John Piper says it like this. He says that missions is not the ultimate goal of the church. Worship is. Missions exists because worship does not. Worship exists, or missions exist because worship does not. That means that there are places on the face of the earth where God is not worshiped by the people he created to be worshipers. So missions exist to take the gospel to them so that those whom Jesus died for can ultimately become worshipers of Jesus. What's the end goal of it all? In the Old Testament it says, behold the Lord promises that there's coming a day when the knowledge of the Lord is going to cover the earth like the waters cover the sea. The glory of God is gonna cover the earth like the waters cover the sea. How is that going to happen? When every nation has heard the gospel of the kingdom and had an opportunity to receive him, when what is spoken of in the book of Revelation that before his throne I saw a multitude from every tribe, kindred, tongue, and nation. How many know that in heaven it's gonna be multicultural? Heaven is gonna be multicultural. There's a rainbow over the throne. There's a rainbow around the throne. There's a rainbow of every color, of every culture, of every language, of every age, of every nationality. I mean, he's gonna be worshiped in Swahili and in English. Did you know that right now the language from the earth that Jesus is worshiped by most is not English? Jesus is worshiped in Mandarin more than he is worshiped in English. American Christians make up 20% of Christianity globally. We're only 20%.   We're gonna walk in there with our American flag and da da da da. It's not gonna be like that. We're gonna show up and be the minority.  There's gonna be Mandarin. There's gonna be Cantonese. There's gonna be Russian. There's gonna be every language, every kindred, every culture, every skin color gathered around the throne and for the first time around heaven, Jesus is going to see the fruition of everything he died for because what God said in Psalm chapter two is he said to Jesus prophetically, ask me and I will give you the nations as your inheritance. Do you know what Jesus earned when he died on the cross? He earned the right to be the king of all nations. All nations. That's what mission is about. It's giving back to Jesus what he deserves, not so that we can check boxes so that he can be worshiped. But in order for us to be propelled into mission, we've gotta be people of his presence, people of prayer and worship and people of power from the Holy Spirit. The reason, the reason why we bought the property downtown is because years and years and years ago had it in my heart. When we were 100 people, I had it in my heart. Let me back up. I had been to Colorado Springs and I had walked through a building called the World Prayer Center that was being built when we were there in 1998. I had read a book by the founder of that church called Primary Purpose and it was about how he built his church from the ground up on missions and on prayer and worship.  I read that. So Jane and I went out to a conference in 1998. Tiffany was just a few months old. It was in June and we flew out there and they were in the process of building a World Prayer Center. And the World Prayer Center was this vision that he had of prayer that would go up before the Lord on behalf of all nations, on behalf of the city, around the clock, and they built a prayer room. Down below they had what was called the War Room where they would receive information from missionaries all over the world so that they could same time pray it. It was just think of, you know, like real calm, Pentagon, except for the Holy Spirit. And I walked through that room when it was being built and I wept. I just cried. I had no idea why I was crying. What I didn't realize is my oldest daughter would meet her husband, Zach, in that room years later. And what I didn't know is that several of our staff people who are helping us shape our culture today like Caleb and Rachel and many others would come from that same culture and internship there. Some of our closest friends, David Perkins, would come from there. It was the destiny moment I was standing there. And I remember coming home and just saying, God, there's something about that. And God began to birth this idea of, I don't want to just be a church that prays. I want to be a praying church. I don't want to be just church that worships. I want to be a worshiping church. Lord, what would it look like to have a place so radically different than the current American church wineskin where we would, with our money and with our resources and with our time and our energy, go so countercurrent against a consumer-driven, self-centered, production-modeled church wineskin. What would happen if we just flipped that and we became a book of acts type of thing where we said, you know what, we're not just gonna have buildings for church. We're gonna have an epicenter that is an engine room, a building just for prayer. We're morning, noon, and night. Prayer and worship goes up before the Lord and becomes a ripple effect that produces change and revival in our city, in our region, in our generation, and ultimately to the nations of the world. What would happen if we were to combine our missions and our passion for the nations born in the place of prayer that produced a combustion of supernatural Holy Spirit power that would then mobilize not one or two people to go on the mission field, but every single person who is in our church community to be filled with courage, boldness, and power because they've incubated in the presence of God and whether it's in the cubicle at Stryker or whether it's on the mission field of China or whether it's in the hallway mission field of their high school or on the concentration camp of their college campus. They were filled with the Holy Spirit on mission and had come contaminated with the radioactive residue of God's presence from a prayer room. So two years ago, Jay and I were taking a walk on campus. We felt like God told us to move downtown to be kind of a first fruits. It's like we had campus in Richland and one in Portage and we believe God's gonna give us more in the future. We've got places that we're looking at currently and by the way, come February, we're gonna roll it out for the church. We're gonna share a lot of our plans for that. So stay tuned for that. But a couple years ago, we felt like God first fruits called us, Jay and I to move downtown. And so we did. And Jay has always been an advocate for walking and like going for walks together. And I've always kind of bucked that but I've always been like, well, can't we run or race or do something? And she's like, no, let's just go for a walk.  And we walked by a, we walked by a building we'd never seen before and realized it was a mosque. And it was, had international students housing right on the edge of the parking lot because it's Western and Kay College. And what we quickly realized doing some research, it was a, it was the second largest mosque in the state of Michigan. And they had prayer meetings five times a day.  Here's what I admire about Muslims. They are so committed to their cause. Very sincere, wonderful. I've met several people in our community that are Muslim and you know what? It's not right for us to demonize them. Jesus died on the cross for them, just like he died on the cross for Pagan, Irish Lee. But when I saw that, I was so provoked that in our city, from the heart of our city, there was prayer going up but not to Jesus. By people that were not the church. In the heart of a city. It's not in outskirts, not in our suburbs. It's wonderful and we have our permings now and I don't diminish those. But those are all preparation because we have this vision that can we create an engine room in the heart of our city? That the people of God from multiple campuses around our region come together, across county lines in some cases, get outside of our comfort zone. Everything from the heart of our city is governmental. Arts come from downtown. Finances come from downtown. The universities are downtown. The government is downtown. In radiant church, we're not there to do anything other than to be a blessing to our city. When we talk about building a radiant city, we're not saying radiant taking over the city. We just want our city that we dwell in to be everything that Jesus purposed our city to be. And nothing less. We want to pray for our police officers so that there's safety and so that crime diminishes in our city. We want to pray for our universities so young people do not lose their faith between high school and their senior year of college. We want to pray from the heart of our city that children who are in impoverished areas of our city have everything that they need and that they are surrounded with love and that abused women know that there's safety. There's spiritual warfare that's going on. We want to do it from the heart of the city and out of that, we want to see arts rise up out of downtown that are God-glorifying. We want to be able to have relationships and conversations with people. We don't want to be rude and obnoxious and we're not going to be protesters of things like this. We want to be salt and light in the midst of an environment and we want to do it in an environment of prayer and worship from the heart of this city. We're not going to surrender the heart and the nucleus of this city to any other power and to any other name than the name of Jesus. So when God opened this door and some of you have heard me tell the story, we looked at all kinds of buildings and we couldn't find anyone. God opened this door. It just was such a divine moment. We bought it at like $35 a square foot without a realtor involved. Come on, somebody. And then when we got in, then Monja Kitchen is like, hey, we want out. Do you want to buy us too? And what I didn't tell them is I'd been praying. Get rid of all those carbs because what we've had a vision for is a different wine's going to model. Here's what I want you to see is coming in the future. That's why it's so important. The first thing that we're scale building right now is that prayer room. We're finishing it out. And so a lot of what's continuing to come in through Big Give the rest of the year is helping us finish that because eventually we're going to use that on weekends as a downtown campus for downtown city dwellers, college students who want it. We'll be able to sit about 250 people in there. Monday through Friday it's a prayer meeting, a prayer room. On weekends we'll use it as a gathering point for Radiant Church from the heart of downtown right on the Mall. It's going to be great. You can go to church there if you want. And then we're going to have some of our offices there. But then on the basement lower level, there's a whole 10,000 square foot on the lower level. We're going to be shifting all of our Radiant School of Worship. You may not know it. We have about 25 students from all over the country and the world who are here right now. School worship students, where are you? We love these guys. We love them. But they're going to be shifting downtown. And then in the fall, next year, 2020, we're also launching Radiant School of Ministry. So it's going to be a training for pastors, missionaries, support staff, church planters, and marketplace ministers. People like you who are like, well, I'm not called into vocational ministry, but God's put me where He's put me. I want to be better equipped with understanding the Bible and how God's equipped me and spiritual gifts and how to be a marketplace evangelist. It's going to be available. And here's what I want you to see is out of this hub, downtown, we're going to have hundreds of young people flowing in and out of there being Discipled Train for Leadership. We're going to have a front porch environment to the community. We're going to have prayer that's going on in a recording studio that's churning out the voice and the word of God and the songs of the Lord that are coming out of this house in an environment like a engine. So somebody said to me when I was in Minneapolis, I've never heard of a church doing anything like this. And I'm sure that somebody's doing it, but here's my answer. Well, that's good because I want results that no other church is getting. If I wanted the results of everybody else, I would just follow the pattern of everybody else. And I'll tell you, it'd be easy for us, Radiant. It would be easiest for us to coast, to just say work. Thousands and thousands of people. Let's just keep cranking on the same model. But the heartbeat of who we are is a praying and a worshiping people. This pattern of prayer and worship that produces power, that propels us, has been in us from the very beginning when we were in the Devil's Den in the Gully Community High School cafeteria. When it was awful. Wobbly blue chairs. Anybody in this room that was part of that? Yeah, Jane. I got one back there. Is that Mikey? Mike? Mike Popenhagen. Mike Jr. back over there. Him and Jared bang on the drums all the time and drove Mike and I crazy. And now Mike Popenhagen. Stand up, Mike. I call him Mikey. Mikey grew up in this church. Mikey grew up in this church. And now he moved to Jackson when we planted Radiant Church, Jackson, five years ago. He's now on staff as the worship pastor. And they just this last weekend averaged 1,100 people a weekend. I mean, they're crushing. Just absolutely crushing it in Jackson, Michigan. Can anything good come out of Jackson, Michigan? Now you know. Radiant Church, Bay City. It's over 300 people, two years old. Ann Arbor is cranking right along. Lettington's five or 600 people. Kentucky is in the middle of a new building project. They're growing leaps and bounds about 1,000 people.  Leaders that we've infused and prayed for and resources that have grabbed ahold of this model and said we want to go and do this. Guys, what would happen if we did this in every state across the country? Multiple cities across Michigan and the Midwest. Not that, listen, it's not Radiant saying, oh, we got the corner on this. I would love somebody to come along and take the pattern and make it theirs. If they ask, we'll give it to them free of charge. And if we find somebody who's doing it better, I believe in copyright. We're gonna find what's right and we'll copy it. This isn't about us. This is about Jesus. We got one life. One generation. And it's not about arriving at death safely. It's not why we're on this planet. We want to grab ahold of this model so somebody said, I've never heard anybody doing this before. It's great. We don't want to do what everybody else is doing. Let them do what God has uniquely called them to do. But Radiant Church is called to be a praying and a worshiping church. Because what I want to see more than anything is, listen, right now I want to see the next generation. We're 100% committed to the next generation having a firsthand encounter with the living God. We want to see a revival of the Bible. I mean, the Bible, I mean, just something simple, but so many people have never read it, have no knowledge of what's on the inside of it. You want to have an encounter with the Lord, get with the Bible. We want to create incubators in the prayer room where people walk in and they experience the manifest presence of God. So I've never felt anything like that before in my life where we don't even have to pray for people to get healed. They're just healed. Where people don't even know how to describe it. They just say, there's like an energy in this place. People have asked about the coffee shop. I love the idea of a coffee shop. We want it to be a well. You know, in the Old Testament, people gathered around wells. That's where conversations were had. And it's a mutual meeting point. Coffee is a part of our culture. It's part of God's name. He's Jehovah Java.  These are holy grounds. And, and, and, and. He put, he put a book in the Bible called Hebrews. So before, don't at me. No, no. Coffee is part of kingdom culture. But listen, it's a great place for us to have conversations. It's a great place for us to meet people, to create a space for community to come in. And what they don't know is that within 30 feet, there's a generator of the power and the presence of God in a prayer room that's infecting the very physical fabric of the coffee shop they're sitting in.  Oh yeah, it's real. Drinking your coffee and what you don't realize is Holy Spirit presence is just bleeding through those walls. Who knows what kind of conversations will be had. It's like a mission base. I want you to think in those type of terms, because listen, we owe the next generation an encounter with the living God. We owe them an expression of the book of Acts type of church. And that's birthed in the place of prayer. See, there's a lot of things that we're called to do. I mean, the mission field is abundant. Right now, missions is so important. Pastor Joel Dorlag is our missions pastor in leading all these impact trips. He lives it on a daily basis. But one of our goal for our impact trips is to send hundreds and thousands of people from radiant church after they've lived in a culture of prayer and been filled with power to then send them on short-term missions trips globally around the world because you're not gonna change the mission field half as much as the mission field is gonna change you. What would happen if a thousand people went and saw what Jesus is doing on the ground in some of the largest mission fields of the world and came back and their paradigm and their mind frame was changed to actually see the world they live in as a North American 21st century post-Christian mission field? It's happening. We had people who went on the Philippines trip and they came back and now all of a sudden, they're witnessing to people. They're just like, I've never shared my faith with anybody but I went to the Philippines and had to. So then I realized I can do this. Came back and now they're doing it. If it takes us going to another mission field to realize the one that Jesus put us in, then that's what we'll do. It took 40 days for Jesus to change the disciples paradigm. It'll take maybe getting on a trip, on a plane, on a boat, or traveling someplace else to get it into us to become praying people filled with power who are engaged in mission. Church, this is what we're called to. I got all kinds of notes but I haven't even started. This is all, I didn't plan it. These are really good. I'm looking at them. I have nine points. Who wants to fall out of the window tonight? Let's do this. Worship team, come back up. Everybody, let's stand up on our feet. I'll save those notes for a future series. One point per week for nine weeks. By the way, I got a series in January that is going to be called Stronger and we're going to take a look at the book of Daniel. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are for those of you who grew up on Veggie Tales. I won't even say it because now they'll have video of it and they have like a little list on my staff of all my cliches. So I'm not going to bite into that. But we're going to look at the book of Daniel as a prototype for how you and I live in the middle of a Babylonian culture and live stronger without defiling ourselves and actually being influential. What I want to do tonight is I want to pray. I want to just be people that talk about prayer. I want to be people of prayer. Pray. I want us to pray all across this room. I just want us to start just with worship. Start with just praise. And sometimes singing songs up on a screen are really powerful and we can make them our own. Sometimes just lifting our own voices, singing our own song, our own melody, our own lyrics, whether you're in tune or out of tune, whether you're loud, quiet, whether you are poetic or not, it doesn't matter, but just you worshiping him with a new song touches his heart almost more than anything.   And I want you to right now, for some of us this may be brand new, it might be out of your comfort zone, you're not used to doing this, but listen, we all hum, we all make a sound, we all grab a lyric. I just want you to right now lift up your voices and begin to just praise Jesus. Come on, just lift up your voices, let it become a symphony of spontaneous worship, a symphony of our love lavished on him. Jesus, come on, it's to touch his heart. Lift up your voice to touch his heart tonight. Yes, sir, I feel like he's calling me to take that next step to be a part of prayer meetings, to propelling the mission. I feel called, I'm marked by God that he's calling. Some of us out of desire will say this and some of us may not even have the desire but you're just, you know God's calling you and marking you. That's you.  We're going to consecrate ourselves in this place and we're going to fill the aisles if necessary.  God's calling you, there's a mandate on your life saying you are be a person of prayer, of devoted intercession, consecration, worship in this next season, come and just come even if you can only get to the aisle, just get to the aisle. Or right now in the name of Jesus. Lord, I pray that as we've responded to your call, Lord that you would mark us. I want you to begin to just tell the Lord if you've answered that call to just say, Lord I surrender, use me to be a living stone of prayer and intercession. Lord I say yes to your call, yes God. I'll surrender, I'll sacrifice, I'll lay aside every weight and hindrance to give myself to this call God to give myself to this imitation. Now invite them, Lord, do it with desire.  Let's just invite them say, I want more. Just lift up your hands all over the room. Let's sing that, I want more. Presence and set apart in this generation. The readiness of your presence to pray an anointing of worship on this house. An anointing for mission. Lord, we're people that do not want to just walk in the pathways of convenience and comfort. We're people that want to walk the ancient paths intercession, witness, mission and community. Lord, we want to see the foundations of the prisons hold captives in this generation shaken to their core. We want to see prodigals come home, city to the north and God bring a harvest, God. Faith, the faithfulness, the generosity, I'll just be honest, you guys just absolutely blow. It's just something about, it makes it so easy.  It's like, you just have to know the people. It's probably good, I can't do anything else. I just want to say how much we love you, what an honor it is, you guys in the lead. I just want to say this as we're leaving today. The best is yet to come. We haven't even seen what God has in store. We haven't even seen what God has in store. So on your way out, give somebody a high five, a hug or a handshake, tell them we're in this to win this. Grab your kids out of kids church, hit the mission field, and we'll see you this weekend. God bless you.


Live from Washington D.C., it's theCUBE, covering .NEXT Conference, brought to you by Nutanix. Welcome back to Nutanix.NEXT everybody, this is Dave Vellante with Stu Miniman, and this is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. We go out to the events, we extract the signal from the noise, Alan Cohen is here, he's the chief commercial officer of Hot Startup, Illumio, Alan, friend of theCUBE, great to see you again. Always happy to be here, if wherever you guys are, I'm going to show up. Not to be in Silicon Valley for a change. Right, real world, gotta tell it to John Furrier, that things happen outside of Palo Alto. So the timing of this interview is perfect, because we just had Steven Hadley on, who's sort of a public policy expert, we're talking about basically how industry should really lead with this whole new era of cyber, and he was talking about that if we let government do it, they're probably going to mess it up. So it's guys like yourselves and others in our industry that really have to lead.  So I mean, so since we spoke to you guys last, that yeah, we did have a little funding round, it was led by JP Morgan Chase, you might have heard of them, they have credit cards and branches and things like that. Actually they're also a customer of Illumio's, which is a really big deal, they are advanced. So we're growing very rapidly, a lot of geographic expansion, a lot of technology expansion, and I think actually in today and this morning, Sunil and the technology roadmap talked about microsegmentation, the ability to create really smaller and smaller or watertight compartments around your data, down even to the workload or the process level is just going to be a way that people are going to have to be able to do their computing. And so as you look at the journey now from data center or enterprise cloud into public cloud, this approach to security that we're building is a key component allowing people to take advantage of cloud architectures. So that's also really led to our growth.  Others have sort of hopped on board. Well, I got to give VMware credit, they actually did bring it up first. They were first, to commercialize it. Yeah, they commercialized it in their environment. I would say Illumio is the first company through software to commercialize it in all environments. In a cloud, in a box, with a fox, in a house, with a mouse, bare metal, virtual machines, containers, Amazon, Azure, Oracle, across all of those environments simultaneously. And I think we were talking earlier this morning about the idea of multi-cloud, right? So you're going to pick your cloud based on where the workload and the application should live so your security has to move with that. And that's really what we've focused on. Right, okay, so VMware's there, you know Cisco's in there as well. Sort of duking it out. Well, so where do you, how do you feel about your competitive position? Let me talk about that a little bit. Well, we feel good that our competitors have finally kind of woken up and started to amplify our message about this. You know, at the end of the day, you have to make a decision whether your goal of building security is to drive the sale of your infrastructure or is to make, you know, your customers' environments more secure wherever they run. So in their own environments, they're adding, they're clearly adding value. But at the end of the day, they're dependent on maintaining server licenses or upgrading your switches. That's not a really good motivation for how to make your security decision. You should make your security decision based on what you're trying to do, not what infrastructure you're in. Okay, so now what about the traditional security guys? Are they catching up? Are they hopping on board? Do they just think this is a niche that's not worth it? Or they just missed the boat? Well, you know, with the, I am being respectful and aggressive at the same time. I think most of the firewall vendors have been primarily focused on the perimeter. And then they've looked at APT technologies, things like FireEye have done, and they've made a lot of their investments there. So they have not been as focused. Now to also be fair, in the heart of the data center, in the public cloud, you don't see firewall technology, right? So people said I have this hard, crunchy exterior, I protect the perimeter of my environment, and I assume once I protect the perimeter, the inside is safe. So their traditional model didn't lend itself to that kind of introspection and focus on the interior. What's happened in the last couple of years though, and you had Hadley on, is that the focus of cyber has shifted to the interior, right? So Target, Sony, OPM, all the big breaches started with basically vulnerabilities on the inside that have then kind of spread and then exfiltrated outside of the organization. So we started focusing on the inside out, not the outside in. I mean, I think ultimately the large security vendors and parameters, they're partners of ours because you're going to wind up working both sides of the equation. I mean, it's just even an air gap doesn't protect you. You don't want an air gap. Actually, you know, we have a partnership with F5. We actually talked about it with theCUBE a couple of years ago, because you think about the concept of something like a load balancer, it sits between tiers of applications. You don't want that to be a black box. So basically the world is moving into the zero trust models of trust nothing. And you know, it's like, it's kind of like running it like in a mod. It's like the Sopranos. You got to make sure everybody does the collections and everybody's got to check in every day. Everything's got to be part of the security fabric. Alan, so bringing it back to the Nutanix discussion, we had to kneel on earlier. In the keynote this morning, I saw broad ecosystem, love our partners saw Illumio, huge logo, isn't it great? They got it, man. They finally figured it out. Unleashed the crack in up there. And I asked Neil, how do you balance the, we're going to have a broad ecosystem, but seems a lot of the energies be putting into AHV. And one of the examples he brought up is like, oh, well, if you use AHV, you get micro segmentation for free included in there. What are you seeing? How does Nutanix fit into micro segmentation? Yeah, look, I mean, I saw the slides too, right? So if you remember how he defined it, if I have 10 workloads and I want to segment them off, I will put it in what I call micro segmentation. And that to me is like a network, virtual network segment, but he said you don't have to use an STN overlay. And that is not any different than what a security group does in Amazon or Azure. And I assume Google has its own version of that. When you go into that a couple of levels deeper, that's where Illumio lives. So we live inside public cloud security groups today and across them and to non-environment. So you got to remember, a lot of people are going to have Nutanix workloads, but then they're going to have workloads sitting in Azure and they're not going to have anything to do with each other for a while from a software point of view. So Illumio is really that bridge.  So actually for me, that recognition and that communication of micro segmentation into their base is really good.  I mean, they're smart. They really build great software. So it sounds like you're saying the definitions of micro segmentation are a little bit complimentary and you're also going to help with that heterogeneous mess that everybody has and give them consistent security. Right. We don't find micro segmentation that way. I might want to say, I want a micro segment off one workload where I want to segment processes or I'm going to have a Kubernetes application running someplace and then I'm going to have the core database someplace. How do I move across that? So it's granularity and flexibility of the use case that you provide. Yeah, we have this thing we call the wheel of cheese from the segmentation. So there's like rough segmentation and there's micro and then there's nano. So over time, people are going to basically close the gates tighter and tighter. So, because the challenge in cyber is lateral spread. Like you guys, you do, you know, you have these fast high speed networks. So if I compromise one server, one workload, today it flies through the environment. So you actually have to keep closing those doors from a security point of view. So I mean, I think it was a great first move for them. And I mean, we like it. It works really well. We work with other vendors, cloud vendors today that do some form of segmentation. So I know we're super tight on time. Everybody wants to talk security and just schedule us back. John Furrier is watching. No surprise. All right, hey John. So when he has to give up the mic, there's always crowd chat. So he's got a question in crowd chat for you. Ask Allen about the economics of the cyber security business models with all this stuff going on with cyber war and ransomware. So, you know, here's some stats.  You focus on this. So cyber security is about a hundred billion dollar business, somewhere between 80 and a hundred, depending on who's counting on that. Think about that in the scheme of overall IT. How much is IT? Three trillion dollars, right?  Now I would be disingenuous as a vendor, but I'll go for it. I would say people are highly under-invested in security relative as soon as he's laughing his head off, right?  Allen, it's not a big enough pie for you, come on. No, it's not. I think the pie should be like five times bigger. I mean- You don't want to make that comparison with health insurance. You have health insurance. You have life insurance. You have insurance on your car. You have insurance on your home. You guys are high net worth individuals. You probably have policies so you don't get sued. You probably spend 10% of your total income on forms of insurance. Things that protect you and your family. So you're saying it should be triple the spend. Why are you only spending 12, 3% of your IT given the criticality of the data that's sitting in those environments. Okay, so we know we only pay for insurance when we need it. In marketing, the joke's always, I waste half of my money. I just don't know which half.  Elumio is a consumption-based model based on how much you use. So I mean, we look more like, it's a per operating system instance that you pay a yearly license for. So I think we're closer to the Amazon consumption model for security and we've led with that four years ago when we started the company. So I think if security became more like you pay as you go and less pay for just having it, just as we talked about the different models for infrastructure, where I own it, where I rent it, and where I pay as I go, I think you will get better spent. I mean, we effectively sell security the way Uber sells or Lyft sells car. When you need to pay for it, use it, you pay for it. And so there's probably a whole lot of efficiency that could be there, but I'd argue it's underinvestment. Well, the other dimension of that is inside out versus outside in. I mean, building more moats. We know still more money is spent on data. Well, here's the stats. So the vast bulk of data center security, so the perimeter firewall market is about a $10 billion market. Only about Cisco just had their announcement this week about their cloud index. 17% of the traffic, net traffic goes in and out of the data center and about 80% of it's inside and a little bit of it goes to the colo, right? So you are putting all your investment on 17% of your traffic. That's like buying all those cable channels. You watch the cooking channel, you're paying for it. You're watching rugged outdoor fishermen channel. You're paying for it. So I think you're going to have to, just like you're making your infrastructure investments or moving to paying for what you use, your security investments have to go the same way. So why would you put all your money only guarding 17% of your network traffic? Okay, we're out of time, but so last question. What are you guys going to do?  Where are you directing it? What's the strategy? Well, I think we're probably going to have to hire the cube to come to like a Lumio world. Fantastic, let's do that. Yeah, we're totally going to do that, but... Really, what's the show? Lumio world is, you guys? Well, there's going to be an Lumio world. When we launch it, you guys are going to be there. Fantastic, we'd love to be there. So there's no doubt, you heard that you have it writing, right? You have it on video, like testimony. Even better. I can't even say I didn't tweet it if you'll have a record on it. We can shame you into it. Totally shame me into it. I think you're going to see a lot of geographic expansion of the company. We're about to expand down under and other places. We've been mostly North American and parts of Europe, and a lot of investment going into the channel, strategic partnerships, and I mean, a lot like Nutanix. I mean, our company's half R&D. We're going to invest just as heavily a year from now. We'll still be half R&D even with growth because we have a lot of platform to build, and we're building a platform that's going to be around for decades. So there's still a lot of engineering to do too. Alan, we love having you on. You're plugged in. Great Silicon Valley friend. Really appreciate you coming back. Thank you, appreciate you having me today. You're welcome, all right. Keep it right there, everybody. We're back with our next guest after this short break. This is theCUBE, we're live from NextConf. Be right back.


Most bartenders my age have been doing it more or less since college I on the other hand have not always been a bartender I changed careers about eight years ago, and I became interested in it because of the drinks actually I saw this new wave of bartenders meticulously preparing these little works of art that looked in taste and incredible and All I could think was I want to do that. I want to participate in that I want to know everything there is to know about these drinks and now I do I'm kidding of course learning about cocktails and alcohol is a lifelong pursuit and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying But yes early on all I wanted was to work at a beautiful bar and make really fancy drinks But that all changed when I got this book without going too far into it Dave Wanderich is an incredibly nice and incredibly funny guy with an amazing knowledge of history And when it comes to a lot of things drinks related He is the historical record and learning about punch's history and making some of these recipes has completely Reoriented my interests and has also been a hell of a lot of fun There are a lot of reasons for this but one that stands out is that at the end of the day As fun as it is to delicately pour two ounces of fine spirits into a shaker to make a cocktail There's something deeply satisfying and also intrinsically hedonistic about dumping a whole F***ing bottle of booze into a bowl and subjecting your friends and strangers to it at a party for your viewing pleasure I'm going to make every recipe in this book starting today with the American whiskey punch It's hard to say exactly when American whiskey punch was created But this recipe was published in 1849 by Henry William Herbert an english-born writer who in a true Demonstration of american gumption passed himself off as an american sports writer after changing his name to frank forester and this is the recipe The best receipt i know for cold punch and that which i always use is To one tumbler of crushed sugar one and a half of spirit six of water the peel of two lemons and the juice of one So a few things we know a tumbler in those times meant eight ounces So one cup of sugar that also says a tumbler and a half of spirit So that gives us 12 ounces of whiskey having done this many times I can say with certainty that 12 ounces won't be very boozy So i'm going to use cask strength and since this is american whiskey punch we can use either bourbon or rye Next mr. Forester says to use six tumblers of water That's a lot So i'm going to cut that in half and add more if i need to but also says the peel two lemons We're not just dumping the peels into the bowl with the other ingredients So it's safe to infer that the author means an oleosaccharum for the uninitiated oleosaccharum is fancy talk for using sugar To extract the oil from lemon peel there are a lot of ways to do this and my method varies depending on what i'm making So what i'm going to do for this recipe? Is it necessarily what i do somewhere else lastly it says the juice of one lemon? I can tell you right now I'm not going to get more than one ounce out of this which will result in a very sweet bowl of punch So i'm going to take the liberty of adding more juice and yes for the whiskey I'll be using this positively glorious stag junior which clocks in at 65 point one percent ebv In some circles this is known as allocated product, which is one way of saying there isn't much out there I've mentioned it before but i live close to a woke liquor store called the liquor fountain If you're an e-sider this place is worth a visit they have loads of allocated product And if you can't get cask strength anything overproof like Russell's reserve is a great choice And if you don't have access to cask strength or a decent alternative I'll leave some suggestions on how to adjust in the description Taking all that into account this is how i make American whiskey punch Start by peeling two lemons right into your punch bowl You don't have to do it in one long peel but it does look really cool Next cover the peels with one cup or 235 mls of sugar Some would say you have to muddle this but since there are only two peels it isn't necessary here You'll want to cover this and leave it alone for a few hours overnight if possible And only a sacrum isn't required for a punch like this but it does add a nice layer of flavor You can't get otherwise it also smells incredible Next add eight ounces or 235 mls of lemon juice Three cups or 710 mls of cold water and stir until the sugar is dissolved At this point you can discard the lemon peels their job is done Last add 12 ounces or 355 mls of your cask strength whiskey Give it another stir and taste If it's too strong add more water a little bit at a time But be careful not to over dilute Add the biggest ice you can and you're done Experience would have me grade not Meg on this But the recipe doesn't call for it so I'm not going to Would make a nice addition though Oh that's really good Good idea to cut back on the water Super complex and even though it's swimming in twice as much water the bourbon hits back But like I said before part of the fun with punch is subjecting your friends to it You feel me? Yeah Christy Hey I like to smell underings I smell whiskey which I don't like but I will always try it once Ooh that it's actually pretty good I can taste the whiskey but I'm not against it Wow it's very refreshing it's cool Mmm it's a good fruity and then you can taste the bite of the alcohol Like a tiny bit but barely at the end Definitely taste the booze What is that citrusy? Slightly citrusy That's pretty awesome I dig it I'm going to move to the south This is what I would drink in the south I'd be like would you like to have some of my southern drink This is it But it's good it's easy it's easy to drink I think you could easily get drunk off this Also I'm pretty sure you gave me a full glass and I've already drank almost all of it Oh it's so good I've had two sips and I just got this And I could keep drinking it I'm going to take my third sip Smooth and there's like a little aftertaste of like you remember your drinking alcohol Which I love to forget This is perfect What is this cocktail? What is this punch cocktail? Does it have a name? What was it commonly served at? Cause like I feel like craft cocktails became a big thing And they're like oh you have to have this And like a copper cup or this is served in this gimlet But so it's good it's very good What is it? Yeah what is it? It's punch from 1849 1849?  Yeah Interesting one a second Like you know stone fruit It's very subtle too It's you know not the first thing I pick up But it's you know when it starts going down the palette For whatever reason I just get a little bit of stone fruit It's like like ripe apricots You know what you're not wrong Good catch Well it's amazing Is that just a sag junior? Yeah Cool And I think I've had this one itself On its own That's amazing man Thank you Thanks for having me And that about wraps it up for American Whiskey Punch I'm always interested in what people think of these drinks If you end up making this recipe for yourself or friends Leave me a comment, let me know how it goes If you liked it, hit like Consider subscribing if you haven't already And if you're so inclined Check out some of these other videos Take care and I'll see you soon Should I do more? Oh my god that's so good Nice