I feel like with where this lens is right now, this eye is bigger than this eye. There we go. Much better. Hello, hello. Sound check, sound check. Can you guys hear us okay? Hello. Oh boy, two thumbs up. How do we see that one? Nope. Gotta learn how to use YouTube live still. All the cool kids are doing it. We've been using it through from our phone. Actually, in the beginning of the very early live streams, we used to share our screen and use StreamYard, but the built-in camera to my laptop was not great. So we just turned to my phone. Hi, Format. Hiya. We'll put Format down.  I'm assuming you're in for the giveaway today. Yay. Real trick will be, we gotta figure out some rules, I think, still. I did see that Format it changed to a light green because you have been a member for about a month, I think. All right. So it changes color. The longer the duration of membership is, the color keeps changing from red. Sure, sure, like Twitch. I gotta say, Format, on my personal YouTube, I'm not a member of our channel yet. Maybe I should do that, but I got to watch the video of Habiba falling down in the tree the other day for those of you that are not members. If you become a member, you may watch that video. I too laughed when I grabbed both cameras. Never been in a tree before. First time in a tree. Fellow. Anyway. Very nice. So we're very excited today because this is the going to be... K. 2K, exactly. How do you make a K with your fingers like that? 2K. Anyhow, not like the computer bug. In this case, 2,000 subscribers. For you, I'm slamming on the table. We're going to have a couple of things to give away, all right? And we're going to come up with a couple of little ways to share with you the right ways to do some of this stuff, right? So can somebody, maybe we'll go through the rules here just so we put them down in the beginning. Is that fair? Yeah, sounds good. So I think right now we have four things planned for giveaway, right? We do. Right. And with this, though, we're going to spin the wheel of names, the wheel-o-names, for each one of them. Now, can somebody put themselves in for a prize if they've already won one? I can't think about that. See, I did. My vote would be, are we going to tell people what the things are before they come out so that people can... I guess it just depends on how many people we have joining in and then we'll see. But... Or we can just put everybody on and the further you make it through the game, we'll try to go towards some of the subjectively more glamorous ones. Yeah, we'll just start one by one. We'll wait a little bit here to see if we will have more folks joining. Yeah. But we'll tell the prize and then we'll ask if folks are interested and then they will be added to the wheel of names. And then we will choose the winner. Okay. And then move to the next one and next prize and next prize. Okay. Sounds good. But again, if you've already won, can you put yourself in again? Let's say yes. Oh, mixing it up for those beloved followers that we have here in our youth. The rules are different here. All right. Yeah. We kind of were talking about it earlier today. This is not a typical giveaway. We used to have giveaways in the past to help grow the channel or grow our Instagram channel. But this one is really just... Follower appreciation giveaway. So because of that, if you're here and you're one of the people we recognize, put your name in the hat, you'll pick it, we're giving out a few things today. Yeah. So let's do the high five 2K hot dog. Where were we when you figured out that you actually had 2K subscribers? We were in Wheeler Peak. On? On Wheeler Peak. Near or on actually? On the mountain. We're actually on the mountain. It's so amazing how many mountains have service nowadays. We got to the top and there were like eight people on phone calls with their family like hovering around the sign. And I stopped for a moment and was like, what's happening here? They're always supposed to be away from the world.   And I did a quick live stream for 2,000 subscribers. But yeah, we're on the mountain. That was a very, it was a very special day for sure. Just the hike itself was amazing. The highest peak in New Mexico, a long day of hard work. And then towards the end, 2,000 subscribers. Sure. And it's interesting to look back upon, I got to stop hitting the table. It's interesting to look back upon the first celebration video we did, right? Yes. Which was 100 subscribers. And we had like kazoos and we hadn't even moved into a little office yet. And we were throwing sparkles around, which took forever to clean out of that office, which is now my office. Oh God. That was, we went, we went beyond the norm to celebrate to 100. Carmesa had a hat on. Oh, we had all of our little stuffed teddy bears. Stuffed animals and such that have been gifted. Stuffed llama. Oh boy. But it was fun. Every milestone is worth celebrating, I feel like. But anyway, how is everyone doing today? Fomat, I feel like we need a way to like talk more intimately with people at some point. You can't do that on YouTube, can you? You could do members only live streams, actually. Maybe not today. That sounds like too much to set up in the moment, but noted. How you doing, Fomat? And then who else we got? We got two people in here. Oh, I know who the second person is. It's her. It's this person. I'm monitoring what's going on there. Oh boy. Maybe I should enter the giveaway. Maybe I attempt to save some money. Yeah, sell it back at double price.  I'm gonna grab the coffee that's right over there. We're gonna sit down, get a little friendly, and we'll start handing away some stuff and just pretty much chatting today. Really impromptu, informal sort of stuff. We'll obviously chat a little bit about Alaska, some of the hikes that we might have coming up or planned that we would like to do in our preparation for some other things going on and that we're proud of in their own right as hikes. So, come on. Do the thing. Look at all of my skin. Oh my God. It's like all of this after the hike, everything is peeling like crazy. It's not clear right here, but all of my skin was peeling like crazy. It's amazing. So, I have a hat to cover everything up. Fomat, what is Fomat saying? Warning, I have had a couple of drinks, so if my typing gets sloppy, you know why. Ooh, go Fomat. Blame it on auto correct. Blame it on. Thank you. What's your drinking choice, boss?  What's your thing? Which thing? Wow, that's hot. Coffee after six p.m. Wow. How crazy. Cheers. Indeed, let's slam really hard so it spills on the table. Typically bourbon. Bourbon. All right. Today was Margaritas. Mix them all together. Why choose, right? Oh boy. No, there's this joke that I've been reading that I've been seeing like all over the internet about working from home and then a trick where you could have some drink in your cup, but then if you are in a meeting and your camera is on, just blow on your drink and then they wouldn't know whether it's coffee or it's an alcoholic drink. Oh, fair enough. Just when you are in a meeting or a Zoom call, just go, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess it doesn't count if I take my shirt off and run around in the background at the Zoom meeting. They might be on to me at that point. Anyway, so do you want to start with... Oh my, it's been a long day. I'm forgetting everything today. Happy birthday to me. Oh my, happy birthday. I have a kazoo sitting in my little thing over there. I totally messed up. Well, I'll tell you what, for the members only, I think you're one of the few people I was telling some not as appropriate jokes earlier before I posted some online. Happy birthday. Maybe, maybe you don't have to pay any extra. Maybe, maybe the members area should just be called FOMAT's playhouse. I'll just do, oh, there's Mark. Never mind, hey. Mark, you can see some interesting stuff if you start to check a few bones. Hey, Alex is pushing the membership. Subscription agenda. I feel like we all are lost today. I am lost. But happy birthday FOMAT. The pay extra was for you running around with your... No, no, no. I knew. That's what I was saying. I could just go post that video on the members section. You already are paying extra. I'm not going to let you. Oh man, she says that now, but I've got access to the trekking palace account. I totally could. Hey, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Well, awesome. We've got FOMAT and Mark. Very cool. So what do you say we start by... Let's see. We're at 10 minutes in, right? So we said we got the four things that we plan on giving away. So why don't we give something away at 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 40 minutes, 50 minutes. 20 minutes is the first one? Yeah. So we get 10 minutes of just random chit-chatting. Okay. So the next one will be 20 minutes? Yeah. The first one actually will be 20 minutes. And this is just us getting our feet wet. So do you want to start by talking about some of the hikes that we have coming up? I don't know what you've revealed or not. So I always got to bite my tongue because I'm not a PR rep. So just to kind of know for Mark, just joined also. We're doing a couple of giveaways today, you know, just appreciation for members. And we have one, two, three, four, five, five items? Five of four. You're talking about four? Four. And then we're going to link it to you about a maybe fifth one. All right. So four items that we're going to be giving away today. Alex just talked about the intervals. And then we'll basically just say, this is an item I interested, enter the wheel of name, and then you'll get whatever the item is. Now, the only trick is for members, they are going to have a double entry. This is something that we talked about, me and you, FOMA. That sounds like a shady arrangement. No, because I was asking for feedback. So I think I like it. I'm going to add it to the perks for membership. So as a member, if we have any giveaway, members are going to have double entry. All right. Cool. We are drinking right now. We went to Sprouts and we picked up a Hawaiian blend of coffee just from like their bulk area. So I think it's like the crazy Hawaiian one. That's the medium, the medium roast, not the regular Hawaiian. That's the light roast. I don't know anything about coffee. I just drink it black. And for mine, I always add some sorts of milk, but I've been trying to go plant space, not really plant space, but I'm trying. She switched to almond milk is what she's saying. Yeah. Right. So, she's digging with the heck. Oh, right. I'm not our PRF, and I don't know where we're going yet, but I know where we're going. Do you want to talk to people about where we're going in 4th of July? Did we talk about that yet? Not yet. So, I won't say anything. So, we're going to do this. Okay. So, no, let's, let's share. So, we just are all weird today. It's allowed to be. There's no plan today. You can see we're sitting inside. We did the stream the other day and our phone died because it was so hot outside here in Phoenix. Now, I tried doing a stream on my phone and then her phone came back to life. We had two streams going, we were like, a whole thing's just busted. So, we're just going to sit inside from now on. But anywho. Okay. Anyway. So, plans is we just, I don't know. I feel like since we did Humphrey speak, the High Speak in Arizona, which I am falling so behind with the videos and putting them out there. It's going to take a little bit of time.  I think during the weekend of the 4th of July, we're going to try to do the High Speak in Colorado. Mount Elbert. Mount Elbert is the highest peak there. It's going to be a tough boy. I mean, there are many routes, but we're going to try to choose the easiest route. But the easiest route is still a tough route. So, that's the one coming up. And after that, we also picked dates for the High Speak in Nevada as well. Yeah. We're going to go hiking with the other member of our entourage, Doug. At that point, then you'll probably be able to see him on a video too.  Anyway, he's a cool guy. And he's going to come. Then you'll finally have met everybody. So, when Habiba posts the video about Wheeler Peak, you'll see some videos of my dad. You and your dad, yeah. Right? And you'll see Doug. And that'll be all four of us kind of making up our team of people that's going up Kilimanjaro. So, these are all things that we're doing at Prep. But also, we just want to be up at altitude. It's kind of neat being here in the southwest to think that we'll get to the highest peak in Colorado and in Nevada and in Arizona and in New Mexico. And you know, surely there's another state there that fits in like a puzzle piece. I like that format. If you blurred his face, we could all call him blurry Doug. Blurry Doug. Exactly.  Dougless bourbon. Yeah. But we're just getting good training really from all of the high altitude mountains. I was telling Alex if we can really do Colorado, Nevada and Utah before leaving to Kilimanjaro, that would be great. That would be a lot of big mountains in our surroundings. Sure. That would be really nice. And there'll be some of the higher ones to get out of the way. We like them because of the altitude, but some of them aren't as technical the way we're doing them. We're not confused or lost on that matter. But still having the ability to even get to the top is not anything to be like a slouch about. That's good. But we would like to practice some other more technical stuff in the future. But when in the future, I don't think we have any commitment to how far away that would be yet. Did you get some rain today? Yesterday. We got rain yesterday. You'll be able to post a little video, right? Yeah. I posted it to Instagram. Mark, I don't know if you are on Instagram, but it was just a very joyful moment. I walked outside literally in my socks and pyjamas and everything.  That's actually a very good description. She was on all fours braing into the neighbor's backyard. Okay, not really. That was a bad description. But anyway, I was just so excited because I was reading all of these news about the Forest Service's hole in water to the wilderness to help animals get access to the water. I mean, how sad is that? And then when we were driving from New Mexico, we literally drove by the fire. We saw it. It was right there. I don't know if it's anything impressive, but for me, I've never seen a forest fire up close. So it was just painful to read all of the news. They closed so many forests here, the Coconino National Forest is closed. So it was nice to see the rain. What is it? Fomats, I only joined Instagram because of you all need to get better about checking it. No, that's awesome that you joined for us. Thank you. Yeah, I think I saw you from at the other day. But I just think it's easy. Instagram is easy because I get to share daily stories as well, which I don't have right now on YouTube. You can only do stories on YouTube when you get to 10,000 subscribers, which probably... Yeah. That was actually even the deal with Instagram before we got to 1,000 subscribers. When we got to 1,000 subscribers, we can start using the YouTube community tab where you just post questions, photos, whatever. And I was like, yes, I can use that. So once I have access to stories on YouTube, I'm going to try to kind of slow down on Instagram because Instagram is not really my main platform. I feel like YouTube is. Anyway, I see a few more people joining. Four people watching today. We are celebrating 2,000 subscribers milestone and we have plenty of giveaways. So in two minutes, we will start the first item that we are giving away today. And then we have four more items, three more items and maybe one extra item. And then we will just ask you if you're interested in entering the giveaway, write the name down and then we'll see who's the lucky one for each of these items. Yeah. And it's worth saying when it did rain yesterday, we were kind of hoping that some rain wouldn't fall on the fire. I don't think we really got any information as if it didn't. You said you heard from your buddy who climbed Squaw Peak earlier today. Squaw. I'm thinking of Dr. House where the guy's got a squawk. Keep a squawking. My name's Eugene. Squaw Peak, Pistua. Pistua is Squaw Peak. Is that what it is? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Actually, it's not Pistua. You say Payestua. I say Pistua. I'm lazy. Payestua is the is the native American female soldier who was very respected in her community. That's the name that they named the mountain after, I think. Yep. Oh my god, my memory is serving me pretty well. It's working. All that rain. Anyway, so we're moving toward the first one here. So I gotta put down for twice. Well, let's so first of all, the first thing that we are giving away is so just to explain this just like we did with the previous giveaways, it's gonna be, you know, we're gonna note down the winners. I'm gonna reach out to you. Make sure that you're comfortable sharing some address with me that I can send this item to. So the first item that we're gonna be giving away today is the sea to summit wilderness wash, bio degradable wilderness wash. Do you want to talk a little bit about the product? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm trying to like pull it up here really quick so I can show you a little picture of it. Yeah. Sorry, we can't share our screens or anything because we're streaming from the phone. We actually should probably get better from it. We're gonna be at home. We could set up some a better streaming system with some OBS overlay and some information. Anyway, so we got this sea to summit wash. Right.  Did you guys see the screen change there like with the yellow? Yeah. Easy there, white balance. Killer. It's a bio degradable wash that you can take out with you into the wilderness and then, you know, if you soak down with it and such, it's not anything toxic that's gonna leech into the ground water or anything like that. They still recommend that you move at least 100 feet away. I have to read the back of the bottle. I can't remember if it's feeder yards away from water stuff just so you don't kind of like get it directly in people's stuff to drink. But we've used it. It's great.  But one of the things that I've learned I need to get better at is we start doing longer and longer hikes is like personal hygiene on a long term sort of basis. There are so many days where I'm like, I'll get stinky today because I know we're going to get home tomorrow. I was like, I don't care. I'm in the wilderness. What's it matter? This stuff though, great. And when we're going to do these multi-day hikes and such, we, um, stinky and dirtiness, it means a lot more. So this stuff has been great for us to take with us and we can use it. I think to, can we use it to wash like pots and pans too? Yes. Not only for washing yourself, but for washing pots, you can wash your hair. You can, it's multi-purpose. We only try to wash ourselves that one time. Yep. And I think you can use it to clean your pots and everything. She's, she's pretty nice. You can't use it to brush your teeth though. I mean you can, but it'd probably be awful. But anyway, so, um, that being said, uh, rolling in at a rock in $5 value. $5? Hey buddy. Oh, really? Oh, that was the, okay. So, uh, hi Mike. Hike with Mike is also there. Hello. Hello. Okay. So that's the first item. I don't think it's that one. We're, we're getting another side. I think it's like, uh, whatever the value is. I don't care. But this is the one. It's $50. This is the one we are giving away. It's the larger size than this one. So this is the, the wash wilderness watch from, from wash, from, oh my God, wilderness wash from sea to summit is the first item we are giving away today. So if anyone is interested in entering the giveaway for this particular item, leave a comment and say interested and then we'll enter it in the wheel of name and then which was a winner. Right. So it's not this big. It's this big. That big. It's big. I'm assuming that most people are going to be, and I won already. So am I here to cheer? So what we were saying earlier, Mike, is we're not doing this giveaway today to like motivate people that haven't been to our channel to come to our channel yet. We're happy with the people that are coming in and the viewers we got. This is more of like a viewer appreciation for those of you that are showing up every week and just hanging out, listening to us sometimes talk about reasonable things, sometimes not reasonable things, but also, you know, that you kind of get to see the people that are otherwise in some of the videos. This is more for you. So enter as many times as you like. If you don't have any interest in something too, feel free to not. I mean, we're going to give away something every 10 minutes here. We're not giving away a car, anything. I mean, it's not like if you hold out too much. But every time the opportunity comes up, feel free to put your name into the hat. Sure. All right. So we've got a format who is interested. The other thing that we mentioned earlier before some of you guys joined is that if you are a member in our channel, you get two entries as a member. So get format entered twice. Format is our very loyal member who's always supportive. And then obviously, if you guys are interested in joining the membership, it's just a way to get access to content early on or some, you know, some unique behind the scenes, some unique content, and then double entries on giveaways like this. All right. Nice, Mike. All right. Who else is interested in the C2Summit wilderness wash? Can't be FOMAT versus FOMAT. I'll have to put myself in there. All right. We've got FOMAT twice. Anyone else interested? Four entries for FOMAT. Got it. Okay. And Mark, Mark, are you interested in entering this one? You like keeping yourself clean in the wilderness? We know you do. Maybe I don't as much as hop in the water and call it a day. Yeah. We didn't really care about it much in the beginning because we would go for one night, two nights, whatever. But I feel like if we go backpacking for a longer amount of time, it will definitely be helpful. I see six people in here. Surely somebody wants free things. Sure. There we go. We got a Mark Nelson in there. All right. It's free. No cost to you. Okay. So let's see. We'll wait here to watch and support the channel. You guys are great. Thank you, Mark. Maybe win some body wash slash maybe kitchen wear wash. We told you guys we're a little bit weird today. It's fine. Lack of coffee that we're trying to compensate for that. Well, you recently had an adventure plan for this weekend that was not available anymore. So this was kind of like our weekend off. And then obviously next weekend is the trip to Elbert. And then the weekend after that, did we say stuff yet? Nevada. And we're going to Nevada the weekend after to do our dog. Yeah, we need to talk about blurry dog. I can't call that for real. I got to stop that. It's gonna stick. He's gonna be like, hey, blurry dog. It's my which is trailing blurry. The heat messed up with your brain, you guys. So anyway, should we do it? We got foam at foam at Mark. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. I don't know if I've got the volume on and for all I know, it's going to spin the wheel for like five minutes. So white balance. Oh, yeah. Get that way balance. Oh, wow. It looks like Mark Nelson. Oh, man. Mr. Mark. Congrats, Mark. Congrats, Mark. You have the worst luck here. Yeah, better subscribe again. I mean, it's three entries. I'm just kidding. All right. Congrats, Mark. Let me let me write that down. We are giving away a carm format. Don't worry. We're not actually a car. Can I enter tax rebate? All right. So see to summit we got Mark. Oh, by the way, winner winner chicken dinner. What's the movie? What movie does that make you think of? I don't know. Come on. He's the little kid. Carrying the golf clubs. Oh, that one. I don't remember the name, but I know the greatest game ever played child before he was all like crazy. That was one of the best movies I watched ever. That was a good one. Okay, so Mark, if you're comfortable sharing your email here, you can just comment with your email. If not, you can send it to our email address. It's we are trekkingpals at gmail.com and I'm going to put it in the charts. Awesome. Well, cool. I've used this body wash so far and I think it's great. Sometimes when we're out on the water or kayaking such where there's a lot of water, it's pretty convenient, but I have found it easy to just kind of lather up beforehand and then shower down. When we got done with our trip, we tried to do home freeze the weekend before we did it and we got blocked because of the snowfall.  We just took a shower in the outhouse. I don't know if that's good etiquette. We just lathered up with this stuff and we just dumped a jug of water over ourselves and it was the best ride home ever. It was. It's biodegradable, nature-friendly, whatever wash. Hey, wait, there's this movie. I'm not familiar with this movie. Mike is saying best golf movie was Caddyshack. Which one? Do you know it? Yeah. So I heard actually, and I'm pretty sure there's a well-known fact over yesterday, but that Bill Murray and Chevy Chase were not the biggest fans of each other. And I think they only shot like one scene with each other in the movie, right? But yeah, that one. There's also the Legend of Bagger Vance, which is quite good with Will Smith, etc. And is it golf movie too? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where he's like a caddy and just like walks barefoot out in the middle of nowhere and comes back all the time, which is quite good also. But I really thought the greatest game ever played was very cinematic and well done for being like a bit of a Disney movie. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, they did hate each other. So yeah, I remember that. Happy Gilmore too. That's right. You watch Happy Gilmore. I don't know why I wasn't even like thinking that one because that's just, that's such a staple. Come on down. Yeah, Happy Gilmore. Come on down. Exactly. Finally, I know a reference. I'm the movie guy and she suffers through them all the time. Wait, can I say this? Can I say this? How good of a girlfriend I was? I watched every single one of Star Wars. All of them. She watched most of them. She fell asleep. All of them. Say all of them because it's all of them. She fell asleep during number seven. We got into the movie theater. I watched all of them. We sat in those nice reclining chairs. The opening sequence came up and before the yellow word scrolled all the way to the top, she was out and done. There was nothing. Can you believe like I feel bad for you after the fact that I felt bad for you because I tried so hard to like watch all of them so that we can go to the movie theater and watch the class. The whole reason we watched all of them is so we could go see seven. She got through four, five, six, one, two, three, and then she was out. She watched seven. And I know you felt bad for me. That's great. That's great. The people sitting next to me, they were like, my condolences. Maybe you should leave her. And I was like, maybe I should. Maybe you should leave her. This is crazy. Nope. But I tried so hard. Oh my God. Yes. I want to see what this candy shack is about. My wife has watched the first five minutes of every movie with me. Then she was snoring. That's me all the time. Oh, no, I mean, because you have the comments over there too. Oh, yeah. You have to keep poking the screen. It's not talk Star Wars. My dirty secret. Love it. You like Star Wars too. Oh, yeah.  I haven't watched any of The Mandalorian, but I did like Rogue One. I didn't want to watch the solo series.  He just kept getting younger and younger. I was going to be a five year old. I was going to be a toddler fighting crime eventually by the time they put the last one. But I thought that everybody who played it in their own right did well, but I just thought Disney was just like money. Yeah. And I didn't want to jump on that bandwagon and I felt like they were going to do the same thing to Star Wars and I was okay with how it all ended. Kind of tough to do a nine thing. You take it or leave it, but it ended. It tied a knot and I was like, good, thank you, with the necessary partial left open areas. But anyway, Star Wars is good. But what was it? It's not the Legend of Bagger Vance. It might be the Legend of Bagger Vance where they talk about the guy figured out that three bad shots and one good shot is still golf. And I was like, that's how I play golf. Bad lot. But as long as once a hole I get a good one in, I'm okay. But that one, that other movie with the kid was really nice. Oh yeah, the greatest game I've ever played was quite good. We're at our next giveaway time, actually. Are we? Yeah. All right, next giveaway. What are we giving away? Giving away a car? Oh, I thought you were going to start singing Buster Rhymes. All right, let's see. What are we giving away? A house. Sorry, don't listen to me. I'm just going to say stuff. It's funny. When I was back home, one time I called some relatives back home and I just pranked them. They just got married and I took my dad's number and I played like, you know, the ad voice and such. And I called them and I told them that they wanted a house. And they fell for it. And it was like, I was so good at it, but they hated me afterwards. Did you tell them you were the prince of Nigeria? Oh, I guess I probably would have gotten some mileage at that point in time. Okay, so the second thing that we are giving away today is a human gear, gobytes, duo, fork and spoon set. Have you guys seen it in some of our videos? It's, I don't have it right here because we probably still have gear that we didn't unpack from our last adventure, but I'm trying to like search for them really quick so I can hold them up for you. Yeah, it's a spoon and a fork. They attach to each other. Oh, okay. Thank you for sparing me the explanation. Yes. So right here in the middle, they separate into just a and that white balance into a fork and a spoon. But as we've learned with a lot of these like food patches that we get, a lot of your backpacker meals, like they need to make the bag like obnoxiously tall so that when you rehydrate it before it soaks up all the water, like it's got space to do stuff, I guess. But then that means when I'm eating it, it's like trying to get like a queso out of the bottom of the queso jar.  Same thing. It's like every time I'm trying to go in there to get food, like I'm wrist deep in the bag, but with this double long sort of like utensil, these are problems of the past. I feel like I should be like Billy Mays. Like I need one of those. Yeah, why you do the thing with the thing? You just got to eat the stuff. It's great. You know, just do it like do the thing. Yeah. I just want to say one thing before I forget these. I mean, we're not working with these brands or anything as such. Although I could have because there are some brands in the past. I'm like two brands that helped me with some giveaways in the past. All trails helped us with the one of our very first giveaways and then Go Girl. They did. That was really kind of a mix. They did. And then Go Girl for the Euro Nation device, they helped me with one of the giveaways too. We gave away a lifetime membership to all trails. All trails. They helped us with that. And we barely had 100 subscribers when we asked them to help us with the giveaway. I think it was very, very kind of them. But anyway, so I was just saying we're not working with these brands or anything. These are just products that we love and we think that some of you would love to. Okay. So for this particular one, anyone interested who is interested in entering a giveaway for human gear, Go Bytes, Duo, Fork and Spoon Set. We've got Format interested. Yeah, looking for a payback. Format is getting double entry since he's a member in our YouTube channel. I think in the online version, like in the desktop version of this thing, I think you can actually wait people differently. But I don't see the ability to do that. Don't worry about it. Just enter two names for now. Yeah, that's what I've been doing. Okay. Anyone else interested in entering the giveaway of this Duo, Spoon and Fork? Sorry. My eyes are between the computer and the laptop. I'm going to change the sounds and the songs. You keep on using these at work for our stuff.  What is Mark saying? Mark, I trade that for a free oil change at my dealer. You want a free oil change instead? Come on, folks. Enter. Listen to Mike. Yes. Enter. Give Habiba your stuff while I figure out how to change the music to something. Crazy Clown. Toby doesn't watch our stuff. But Toby, Crazy Clown is for you here.  You're going to find it to be a bit obnoxious. All right. Did it save it? Who we got? Okay. Anyone else interested in entering the giveaway? We are giving away a Spoon and Fork Duo from Human Gear Go Bytes. If anyone is interested in entering this giveaway for this particular item, please leave a comment and say interested. Check them out up there. I think it's easier to scroll back in the in the chat. I mean, yeah, over here. We're starting to learn like different things. I like to gamble. Throw me in. There you go. All right. Free gambling. That's the best kind. Okay. Mark is in. And FOMAT. Mark, we've got Mark. We've got FOMAT. We've got FOMAT. Who else? Who else? Who else? There's seven people watching. Free, free thing. It may be cheap, but we're just trying to show some love. We're not made. We're not made of dollar bills yet.  Go, Mike. Would you please enter, please? Enter Mike. Put Mike in, please. Okay. I'll put Mike in. Good luck. Mike with hike. Good luck, everyone. Hike with Mike. Mike with hike. Mike with hike. Mike with hike. Okay. Awesome. So ready? I will see him with Mike. That's wrong of me to put someone's name down wrong. Hike with Mike. Okay. Ready? Here we go. Just enter then all tonight, Mike and Mark, it's to celebrate us hanging with them. I love that, you know? Okay. Three, two, one. Here we go. Mike with hike. Oh boy. Very nice. You're going to love this spoon. It's pretty good. Sorry, Fomat. Man, we're having double odds. Like, whoo. But Mike and Mike and Mark, though, taking a business. Hey, it's Fomat's birthday. It is Fomat's birthday. Did you guys tell Fomat happy birthday? It's his birthday. You're getting a gift regardless. You don't even need to enter the giveaway. Anyway, what else? So next thing, despite the fact that it's already time for our next giveaway, because we just blather on like goofballs, it's all good. I can't announce it yet, but I just recently won an awesome experience how you talk about later. If you have a spot where you like blog or say stuff or whatever, like hit us up, man. We would totally, totally check that out. I definitely checked some of your videos, Fomat, and Mike also had a couple of videos that I've watched in the past. Did you see he said that he doesn't have something like that yet, though? Uh, let's see. Hello from Brazil. Oh my God. Bom dia. Oh boy. But she said, bom dia. Bom dia. Welcome. Welcome, everyone. Welcome to Casia from Brazil. We are doing some giveaways today, and we're celebrating our 2,000 subscribers milestone on YouTube. Put your name in the hat. Every 10 minutes, we're giving something away until, you know, the end. Awesome. So, Mike, oh boy, I will love this spoon because I don't have a spoon like that for my mountain house meal tomorrow. It's a bummer that it's not going to get there by tomorrow, but. We can overnight it. Very cool. So, will you, the second giveaway in a little bit here, but what do we want to talk about right now? Ooh. Can we talk about the things that I'm obsessed with with the car right now? With the car? Yeah. The camping? Yeah. Sure. So, did we talk about rooftop campers last time? No, we didn't. We had not. So, we learned the other day when we went to hike Humphreys Peak, actually. You're not allowed to camp at the trailhead of a lot of these camps, but the park rangers were there, and they seem to be very okay with this person at the trailhead already setting up a tapooie air air a tapooie air rooftop camper. And this is effectively just like it looks like a giant guitar case that you put on top of your car and you fold it out and there are two points of contact on the crossbar on the car and another one's a ladder that folds out and you have a tent that like sits on top of your car. And they were totally okay with people camping at the trailheads there. They were like, you're not starting to fire and you're not taking up a lot of space on the ground. So, we really just look the other way and that's pretty much standard across the board is nobody will really write you up for having a rooftop camper. So, let's see if I look up that Thule rooftop tent and let's call it tapooie. Yeah. So, it's definitely something that we're thinking about now that we got a car that can take us to some new places and instead of because what we did when we went to New Mexico, one of the nights before the climb, we would just set camp and then, you know, just tear it down in the morning and go for the hike. But we feel like if there's something on top of the car, it's easy to just set up and get sleeping. There you go. It's like a little tent that you can put up and that's with the bike next to it to prove that it takes up that little space there. But it's like just a little tent that you can put on top and when it's not, let's see if I can't zoom in here. I'm just like abusing Google. But it looks just like a little guitar case on top of your car then when it's all kind of folded down and it's got like a little mat fee to sleep on and it pops up and it's got some little copper bars or brass bars or whatever that kind of like hold the bottom areas out and some windows and such. There are different versions of them that are more ruggedized or a little bit larger. The one we're looking at is the two-person version, obviously. But either way, this would open up a lot of opportunity to go camp in some crazy areas and we're like if we're going to get this thing already to put a kayak on top of our car and I always made like a little bit of fun of people from Glamping. We're not going to take a generator so I can still dig on them a little bit. But it would just be a very convenient way to make a home base while we're out doing some hiking. That's pretty versatile. By being off the ground you kind of feel a little safer and also this with like a little mat and such, it only takes a few minutes to set up. I feel like it's a lot easier than bringing around bed rolls and other stuff. Yeah definitely because sometimes especially after a strenuous hike it's just like you know doing set in camp. It's not that painful. Our tent is pretty easy to set up but then with the bed rolls and the pillows and the sleeping bed and this is just like after a long day you just want to go and sleep. And then sometimes it's a hustle to find campgrounds although we were lucky in New Mexico because we found just dispersed camping that was free in the forest. Oh right by the water too. Because by the water I'm really excited to share this video. Oh my goodness! Look at that! We've got 10 people watching. Welcome everyone! This is our 2000 subscribers celebration on YouTube and we are giving away some hiking and backpacking products. Yeah. We just gave away a wilderness wash. We just gave away a spoon and fork duo for eating some backpacking meals and we have three more items that we are giving away today. So stick around then enter the the the wheel of name and then hopefully you'll get something for yourself too. Yeah we're doing it every 10 minutes but we're really not doing a very good job of every 10 minutes. We're just talking so if you want this stuff gotta stick around get to meet us a little bit. We're not that bad and the rest of the stuff on the channel is actually pretty cool. So feel free to get baited in by the prize but stay for the quality outdoor video filmography styles of Habiba. I want to show you guys something. Something really sweet. Oh boy. Oh go for it. Yeah yeah and then we'll we'll move to the next thing. You did the aw and I was like do you not want me to. I knew you're doing you're a little proud of this so I got Habiba a little flower thing the other day and she's been wanting to do like all this like camping and off-roading and cross country stuff and uh yeah so I got a little campervan He sent this and someone was knocking on the door and this guy was outside and I was like oh my god and I was just it made me so happy. Not just the flowers but really the the camper trailer. It was so cute. Thank you. It's very memorable too because Habiba was in the middle of burning the house down at the time so she opened the door and like smoke poured out into the face of this floors and he was like what the heck is going on are you are you okay Habiba pal that's our last name for the sake of online this you guys need to make some merch now you mean some merchandise for the channel we should we have a little logo we were thinking about making a little bath mats for ourselves so that we can put them down in front of our bath area we were thinking about making little travel bag tags so that when you go traveling that you can just put it around your bag I mean simple things that don't take a lot of effort to make but I actually have uh no Mark said the teardrop but that's how well I think the flowers were cute um well actually so the other day when we did the live stream Alex was wearing a t-shirt and it just came up in the conversation but when we started the channel about a year ago I did create some t-shirts in a t-spring shop oh yeah so I have um I'm gonna probably just link it right here but I have one t-shirt a couple's t-shirt so one t-shirt would say my t-shirt says I am here for the mountains and then his t-shirt says I am here for her and then I have tank tops and t-shirts that say but did you die and it's got a hiking logo this is usually for your friends that you take hiking with you and then they just complain after the fact so maybe that's the t-shirt to give them like well it was a difficult hike but did you die let's do the next giveaway then I see we're losing some people here we got to keep our speed next giveaway so next thing we are giving away oh this is pretty exciting we gotta look it up so I can show a picture of it okay so this is what this is um it's a mountain house meal but it's not just the pouch it's a bigger container with the 10 servings 10 servings backpacking mountain house meal um as far as what the meal is going to be I have to check with the person and make sure you don't have any dietary restrictions and then based on that we can we can choose um a good meal for you I think it's going to be a large size yeah that's the one I think I found it so it's going to be this uh little barrel and what the way is gonna work whenever you go backpacking instead of taking the whole thing you just you know put some portion in the ziploc bag and then you cook it when you are backpacking pretty neat huh yeah you should get one for ourselves do you need a special ziploc bag do they do they give you a bag with it I don't know anything about I don't think so you can probably just use your own ziploc bag or stasher bags and you can add the hot water into the stasher bag that I have sure but I'd say read the instructions and just do a little bit of research about it foam that's interested freezer style bag probably yeah yeah obviously something you don't want boiling water to melt through while you're while you're waiting for your fanciness um mark is on seafood I see it I eat it okay so we've got mark who's interested we've got a format interested uh who else is interested in entering this giveaway we are giving away a barrel of backpacker meal that's got 10 servings so if it's something that you are interested in leave a comment say you are interested and then you're gonna immediately enter the giveaway and we're gonna pick a winner right now yeah all right I am rooting for format for this brand oh my goodness I am also rooting for format birthday he needs a birthday gift definitely I feel like this one is gonna be great although Mike are you in on this one because you just got the fork and the spoon combo I mean Mike is Mike is done oh man I'm just kidding you're feel free to enter but all right I am rooting for format too so I think we're good if no one else is interested in entering this one giveaway then we're just gonna go and again all I gotta say is interested you comment interested we'll put your name down we spin the wheel if you get picked we give you the stuff the last one is not there like oh sorry I just hadn't updated yet uh because Mike you can even go crazy you could take all 10 meals you could just pull I like that Mike is not greedy he's like I'm done all right you're a good person you can just pour hot water into the whole bucket and you can just eat all 10 at the same time you can just go nuts with that spoon okay all right so let's let's not dilly dally all right we've got format for Matt and Mark Nelson look at this I mean the other the other people that are in here I mean you're missing out the odds are good the odds are good really good here we go ready and three two this is for Toby that looks like a format to me congratulations format finally what do they can say on the thing can I make the joke I want to make what does it say it looks like you're gonna get some birthday stroganoff oh boy we still we still have to figure out which one but awesome good job I don't know if it really is beef stroganoff no that's just the one that was on officially we'll have to figure that out later okay so we've got mountain mountain house meal that was for so many minutes so I just need to make sure that I'm right yeah you know what guys if you for the winners we've got Mark Nelson and hike with Mike I have your email hike with Mike I have your email format so Mark Nelson I need your email still you can just send us an email yep and uh just so people know when they're coming up our next thing just so that we can keep the interest going because we're gonna gibber jabber a little more uh the next hand or the next thing we're giving away is going to be a $25 gift card just to REI which is the place that we like to shop all the time and by like to shop I mean spend a lot of money accidentally most of the time so but we also like it there yeah Mike you don't have to send me the address I already have it thank you no um oh we've got 11 people watching um if you're watching us please make sure to give this video a thumbs up because it helps with the algorithm and it suggests it to other people yeah and it helps us grow and get to $10 subscribers and give away cars and houses and mountains mountain house we can we can start giving away mountains in Greece that we could it's very possible okay but um but yeah so we are giving away a $25 gift card to REI next though so um but we need to know first do you go to REI do you like REI because I know that at least here in Arizona I have I have some friends that are you know they love going to REI but I have other friends who are like uh I'd rather support local uh companies or local outfitters we have uh the the hike shack here in Arizona so people are you know some people really like the big REI corporation corporate I think it's just some of them want to support small businesses but and I got no issue with the small places I certainly love to support them I guess I'm just such like a pushover when it comes to shopping like this the depth of inventory for some of those larger areas as well as their hours usually uh motivate me to go there but you won't find them in smaller towns when we're out somewhere we need something uh you you will usually rely on some of those smaller shops so I like them both it's just a matter of availability for me when I when I'm out yeah so yeah I kind of feel this thing yeah pick and choose as you go but anyway every time we go to REI though we've learned the other day that like they're having garage sales like all the time now I had one of the stores that we go to because they can't like have so many people all in an enclosed area because of COVID so they're just doing like a little bit of our garage sale every week they just have like a little garage sale corner so yeah and we do the co-op stuff with REI too and they give us money back all the time and then we give it right back to them so it doesn't matter yeah and I also like that they always you know you can go and check the garage sale online and it's just it's just a good company you know I'll be honest too they are very forgiving if you would like to give back something that did not satisfy you I mean they're crazy like you know those old car salesmen crazy eddies giveaways and you're like I'm giving away cars that's like what REI is doing the people brought we know I know we talked about it the other week but the guy brought back a bear barrel and what was the description as to why he gave it back it was too hard to open we're like well what the heck are you talking about that's exactly what the bears supposed to think just press the button like I don't know but then other people bring stuff either like wrong color didn't fit didn't like the size um you know used once and they'll take it back they do stuff they seem to be doing really well with it so we love REI for that too they're very tolerant yeah I think uh what's the best REI you've been to mine uh the one in Seattle exactly oh my god oh my god I can't believe I didn't post a video about that but are you in Seattle well we were inside and they were like can you please put down the big professional cameras we're like okay yeah they literally told me how this this camera is almost better than the other one yeah thank you thank you I they literally some of them came to me and he said um we have you know policy if you are going to use professional film and camera you have to talk to our media teams like whatever do you know how much this phone cost this is probably more expensive than the camera yeah you're like come on but anyway so I put it back and I was like well I'm gonna use my my phone then and I just use my phone to film but the one the REI in Seattle was amazing it was huge they had a lot of mountaineering gear which you don't I feel like every region is different depends on what the region offers you can see like they had a lot of big duffel bags and ice axes and skiing gear and then they had this waterfall outside and they had a biking trail yeah yeah like a practice trail they're like be cautious of bikers while you're walking into the store yeah and you feel like it's just like a small section of the REI in Seattle feels like you're just hiking through the jungle or through the forest and then you get to the store it's pretty neat yeah I've never worn any topos and I do know if you get stuff from that from the garage sale well that's the one thing that like you can't return is if you buy them at the garage sale we went shopping one time for a garage sale didn't realize that some stuff that wasn't for sale was mixed in with the real stuff and we went hog wild oh man we were just like carrying stuff out of there snorting hooting and hollering and then we get to the line and we realized like half of the stuff wasn't on sale then we ended up buying rock climbing shoes that were too small for both of us although I still remember because we thought everything was 50% and it turned out it wasn't 50% and then when they told us the the amount of money I almost had a heart attack she did have a heart attack I had to bring her back to life right there on the floor is ridiculous I was like take these goo tablets and she was like oh that's true so um hike with Mike was saying that there is no REI in Florida I just did a quick search here it seems like they're saying there is one in Winter Park there is one in Jacksonville and then there's one in Gainesville it looks like showing a couple of them in Florida certainly for the size of Florida not many and then one in Boca Raton Boca Raton yeah Boca Raton Boca Raton where is Boca Raton it's like further south well Habiba in those goo tabs she really does love them it's ridiculous um oh but I tried the when we went hiking last weekend I tried the Stinger Trees yep the people who make the Stinger Waffle things make some goo tablets too and she actually liked those I liked them better than the other one but will she keep on getting the goo tablets probably all right so let's see I bought my wife a pair of shoes in their garage sale that had never even been sold it was the last pair they had in stock and put it in the yard sale yeah those are the ones I was responding to about the topos and okay awesome do you want to do the um the next giveaway since we're pretty much at the top of the hour and then we can hold off to see if people want the the last one the super primo okay so uh let me just see honey stinger gels not gels just twoies so I will say I did like gummies like gummies I did like the goo packets where you like like gogurt them into your mouth and I liked them a lot actually they were a little odd in the beginning to me but they're small enough that like I don't feel like I'm gonna like burp it back up while I'm hiking and one of my biggest problems when I'm eating on the trail is like regulation like how much is the right amount to put in with some water or some food or other things and not feel like weird afterwards so Fomad's birthday put my name under his what yeah they have gummies they're pretty good I like them when we did Humphrey speak we met this lady on the trail who recommended them oh we gotta share the pictures with her so much we gotta share the pictures with my dad well it's like it's amazing when we get back that there's so much like we're so happy that we have a server setup that keeps our stuff on it which is great for us but um man like sometimes we have to organize stuff and we've gotten some habit to it that kind of keeps stuff in order but to share it with other people I gotta get better at um okay cool so maybe let's see we are already at one hour let's just call this the last giveaway okay last giveaway then which one are we giving away R.E.I. $25 gift card 25 buckaroos this is going to be an electronic gift card hmm okay cool cool cool 25 gift card to R.E.I. we're gonna ask for your names I'm not pressing the button yet but hopefully your eyeballs or your eyebrows went up hopefully your eyeballs didn't go up uh I bought some jelly belly sport beans from R.E.I. FOMATS interested I'm interested all right get FOMATS on I saw mark say put his name below FOMATS cool although so do like just be forcing you to answer my question mark mark and FOMATS gotta get that gotta get that community engagement up I heard I heard who else is on the thing let me just start calling um I don't know let me just call somebody out by name that I do so I think it's in the dots right can I enter too okay hold on I think it's over here all right so last thing that we are giving away is a 25 gift card to R.E.I. okay if you are interested in entering this last giveaway let's say it's last I think it's the last one we'll see if we will have more people joining but right now we're giving away $25 gift card for R.E.I. that one okay cool so we've got FOMATS interested and then we've got mark anyone else interested in entering this giveaway all righty okay cool ready oh let me change the music yeah put you guys in suspense we don't need to listen to Crazy Clown anymore that one was a little oh crazy um let's do ah happy be Mary Mariachi reggae music there we go and after the spin what should we do let's say read out the winning name oh man this is going to be too good to be true and it's going to say you get a meal who we got bg's I can't pick the song sadly the songs making me think of Brian Regan now I said the beach is more than a woman more than a woman to me we went to see him live we did go see Brian Regan live it was quite good I took you to that you did all right so we're gonna spin the wheel for three five hundred dollars two twenty five dollars mark nelson mark nelson no mark it's your day today oh man if you guys send me your address when you do send me the prize I will send you guys some merch dude thank you take it one of the hardest things to do in this world is to let somebody give you something and I'll tell you what I'm getting better at it send away yeah Alex is there well first of all congratulations mark congratulations mark yeah cool cool cool very nice no but true Alex is the type of person is like if I don't need this gift I'm not going to take it I'm gonna return it I'm gonna change that and we're getting better well I mean we certainly don't want to just accumulate clutter just to be polite yeah but at the same time like you don't turn down one but it's hard to just like let somebody give you something sometimes like where you want to be a good person so you only offer things but you never let people give it to you sure yeah especially with family it's kind of hard sometimes and I think part of that relationship strength though is being able to let somebody give you something yeah I think that's just as important so um we'll definitely take something whatever you got and we will sport it somehow or wear it or whatever maybe on a hike unless it's like burlopad underwear which case 50-50 will spin the wheel mark is saying thank you however it's my birthday gift to full math all right so let me say hey we're gonna do full and full math all right full math there you go all right so I think I think that was the that was it that's all we had planned but we're gonna do the happy birthday music for a full math today copyright or what do you want to do you want to do like Mariah Carey or she only do Christmas stuff now we're just gonna sing happy birthday for full math oh this is gonna be our your celebration for me and our celebration too all right ready and then we'll close it right after this sure you can see this you can see our our sundial moving up behind me here when I get to the top of the screen that's that's the end of the stream yeah but uh before we do that I am very thankful I think uh you know just you know just all of you guys especially the the people that we've been talking to on the live streams always appreciate everyone being here and being supportive giving us feedback on our videos and really happy to see that this channel has been growing slowly and slowly yeah and just giving us somebody to talk to also yeah we're definitely trying to figure out how to grow what it means to do like a live stream sort of personality as well as like videos that are out there so for those of you that are willing to let us just ramble on for 45 minutes to an hour thank you yeah thank you very much and always appreciate the feedback and if you guys see you know I any feedback on the videos that we would put out there stuff we put out there will really mean a lot if you guys can and I'm trying to convince Habiba by the way to start doing for members actually sometimes she has like a really long video and she hasn't figured out how to cut it down to the right length and I'm like just put that out there is the director's cut for the members or early access or other things if you have any other ideas that are like simple like that that you would be interested in seeing for members content we want to make that worth something more than just supporting the channel which we appreciate yeah very much so but if you if you have some input on the matter we'd be very willing to take that and react and respond to it absolutely okay ready are you guys ready Format agrees with Alex yes good me too me too wait where is this coming from you gotta go mute the other youtube one otherwise we're gonna be listening to us the whole time then oh boy this is it there you go you're good I don't think so I think you know that was always coming from an incognito page which I don't know what it is is there another page just go ahead just see I think that's the sound from that I think you're good all right let me pull up happy birthday on my thing that's that's hysterical birthday song which one did you pick the first one yeah that one all right all right you guys have you guys have to sing with us and if your family or partners think that you're crazy still be it exactly all right is this it hot dog so I gotta turn up my volume happy birthday birthday to you happy birthday happy birthday to you happy birthday dear format happy birthday to you happy birthday forgive me for selecting the japanese tv show intro theme remix version of the birthday but heartfelt nonetheless wonderful but the intention is good promise you well happy birthday for format and mike mark thanks for hanging out with us for the whole time thank you and congrats to the winners who's our friend from um from brazil there suza see you suza I forgot the name but thank you thank you so much guys we really really enjoyed these live streams and we will see you on monday for Kilimanjaro series and then thursday again for a topic that we will see you later this week thank you have a great week have a great weekend and we will post the uh the monday one in advance so that uh so that people know that one's coming too I think we've been but and cuz see us who's that that was the other number sorry goodbye everybody goodbye goodbye everybody thank you for everything take it


given Thursday. And this is Community Matters, and I'm Jay Fidel. More specifically, we're going to talk about how the coronavirus has affected the state Senate for that matter, the state legislature. With Jesse Broder van Tijk, who is with the Senate who does communications for the state Senate. Hi, Jesse. Thank you for joining us. It's really important that we talk to you. Thanks a lot for having me, Jay. Jesse, so where are we? Where is the Senate anyway? Are we in session? Not in session. Are we in recess? What does that mean? The Senate recessed its session, which means that they can resume the session with all the bills and nominations alive anytime later this year if conditions under the pandemic allow us to do that. So, if the Senate had adjourned, then they would have to start a new special session and start everything from scratch. But by recessing, everything remains alive. The day we found out we were going to have to recess for this emergency, the Senate did confirm General Hara to lead the Department of Emergency Management as the state adjunct general. So that was one critical thing we got through. Before the recess, the Senate also passed $10 million in emergency funding that Governor E. Gay had requested, but the House hasn't had a chance to pass that bill and didn't do it before the recess. So they would have to pass that emergency funding. Perhaps it would be amended to a higher number once we know what sort of resources the state needs. But the Governor assured us that they haven't the funds for now to do what they need to do. Okay, so what about, well, you wouldn't need a special session. You could just come out of recess when the time is right. Has it been discussion of when that might be? I mean, as you know, nobody really knows how this is going to play out. I asked everybody, Jesse, I asked everybody I talked to. I asked to show a number on the wall with doing over under on July 1st or something. So, okay, so right now you have some really important bills pending. And I guess the question that comes to mind is, especially in the funding bill, can't we find a way to do this by remote? I mean, everybody's doing everything by remote these days. I mean, it's, you know, education, government, not government, but the media for sure.   There's a Passover satyr is going on a remote. Why not the legislature? This is absolutely been a crash course for all of us on remote meeting. And we've all used zoom and go to meeting and Microsoft teams and all these various things to figure out what works best for us. The neighbor island senators, I know we're all meeting regularly using some video chat software. And we're planning all senators and staff meeting next week using zoom, which can do, you know, hundreds of participants at once. The Senate special committee on COVID-19 is streaming all their hearings live on YouTube and Facebook and as well as live on a Lullo, which allows the public to watch the hearings live and provides transparency without having to have people in the room, which would violate social distancing rules. As you know, the CDC said no more than 10 people in the room. So they are using phone calls, video chats, and live streams to try to conduct business at least with this one committee for the crucial COVID-19 functions. That's not really complying with sunshine in the sense that nobody has a chance to talk. No, the public does not have a chance to participate in the conversation. I mean, right. And I understood that the governor sort of waived sunshine during this crisis. Am I right about that? I'm not sure about the the sunshine issue, but I know that the special committee is not accepting public testimony at this time. Yeah, okay. So that's good because you still have some action going on. Still have some conversations, some engagement with the public. It's very good. The public has, you know, by virtue of that, some information from the heart of the matter.  Well, to present them to the governor for signature as statutes. What we, you mentioned before the show that the constitution requires the legislature to be physically present. And I, you know, I really, I think we ought to, going forward, you know, when the time is right, we ought to change the constitution about that. And you said that you had, you had a request pending, request for advice pending with the attorney general to see if there was a way around that. But what would, what would be the way around that? The fact that it's an emergency? Right. Well, you know, it was, you know, as this emergency played out, our first goal was to see if there's some way we could preserve the session and keep it going without the neighbor island senators needing to fly back and forth and putting themselves and their families at risk and the rest of the public. The constitution specifically says that the members have to be present in person, um, on the floor of the Senate in order to vote. And I, you know, I think there are various reasons for that, such as it ensures that it really is that individual who was elected, who was voting, you know, you could have a situation where someone hats into the system, you could have a situation where the staff members doing the vote for the member or, you know, so there's just no question. You've got Senator X standing on the floor and she votes nay. Like we all see that it's on a LL there's no question. Obviously, the circumstances we're dealing with right now are not anything that people who wrote the Constitution could have ever envisioned. And in addition to that, the telecommunication technology that we're using right now would have been absolutely unthinkable when the Hawaii Constitution was written. So yeah, if you could have say, you know, Senator Kanuha from the big island on a screen voting and you can see that it's him and you hear him saying it, would that be sufficient? The Attorney General has advised that, you know, something that we could look at, um, you know, under the governor's emergency order, you know, I think most reasonably reasonable people would agree that it's a fair accommodation to make, but it is, you know, the Constitution. So nobody wants to violate the Constitution unless we're sure it's okay. You know, one idea that strikes me, let me run it by you and see what you think is, you could have voting, almost I wouldn't use the term straw voting, but it'd be sort of like straw voting, just as if, you know, we're going through the regular process and people could vote by remote and absent Attorney General opinion to that effect, allowing that. So okay, it would only be a straw vote and it would not be a legal vote under the Constitution. However, if you went through a whole bunch of straw votes like this and then you reserved a certain day, call it May 15th, a certain day when everybody flies in, everybody gathers, there's all kinds of, you know, special cleaning and hygiene and masks and gowns, whatever you want to ensure reasonable safety for the people in the square building.  You guys, please raise your hands to affirm everything that was, you know, voted on in the straw votes. Say aye if you want to affirm that and they're in person and they vote and it's a matter of record, then they go home again. So their exposure is really limited. What do you think? I mean, I can tell you at this time that would be impossible because you can't even fly a neighbor island without being quarantined for 14 days. So you know, I'm hopefully optimistic that by May 15th that could be a possibility, but I think probably if we're being realistic, it's going to be much longer than that, unfortunately. One thing we did discuss was, you know, just voting with the Oahu senators in the room, which you could reach a quorum and you could legally have your proceedings. But of course, that disenfranchises all the people of the neighbor islands. Maybe you could have some back room agreement ahead of time. But of course, that's not the transparency we want to have. And it's not just the final passage on the floor that needs to happen. The committees still need to hear these bills. You know, we're just in the middle of session. The first crossover had happened. The Senate was just considering the house pass bills. They all have to go through the committee. They all have, they all have to have public testimony under the Constitution. The public has to be allowed into the room under the Constitution. Obviously, you know, we would like to look at things like teleconferencing witnesses and public testimony in, but legally, unless we have, you know, guidance from the governor and attorney general, they can't have a hearing without allowing the public into the room, which is too dangerous right now. Wow, it's a real conundrum. How about a promise to vote? I promise that when I get a chance, I will vote, you know, this way on that bill. And then I may get a chance sooner or later, but I've made a promise and the promise is verifiable.  This promise isn't going to be legally enforceable. So if the member wants to change her vote later on, when the vote is taken on the floor, that is legally binding. They can't change the vote done, recorded in history. Yeah, sanctuary. I mean, it's sanctified. Really interesting situation we find ourselves. You've never been faced with this before. And our systems don't really cover it. And there's no way, I mean, I don't know what the attorney general will say in terms of the emergency aspect. There's really no way under existing, existing law, existing rules, existing constitution to change it.  So how much authority if you can help me with this? Does the governor have, how far can he go under his emergency powers? Do we know the boundaries? I mean, we're seeing how, how broad the emergency powers are. I mean, I think you and I, if we had talked a year ago today, we could have never imagined a scenario where the governor of Hawaii would ban all travel between the islands or mandate a 14 day quarantine between the islands or people coming from the mainland, right? All right. So one thing we know is the governor does not have the power to restrict people from other states from coming to our state because under the US constitution, only the president of the United States can make rulings like that. So, you know, the quarantine is their best workaround that they could come up with. So we can't say you can't come, but we can say if you come here, you need to stay in your hotel room for 14 days, pay for it yourself. If you go outside, we're going to arrest you. Now we can do it. That does discourage people. I don't know if it's a total discouraging, but I think some people are coming anyway and trying to slip through the net as we've seen. So, okay, well, we're going to find out, I suggest to you, Jesse, we're going to find out the boundaries of the emergency power because in this crisis, more things are going to happen. You and I cannot even predict now. You know, our world is in a transformation, our whole world. And so things are going to happen where maybe the governor says, well, you know, I think I'll take a whack at that. I'll try to extend that. Maybe my attorney general will give me a pass on that and we'll do this, that and the other thing in order to keep everything together. I don't want to see more of that. What makes the Senate special about this? Is the Senate and the Senate in the House, are they equally involved, equally, you know, involved in the absence of a session or during a recess like this? Or are they, or are neither of them directly involved? What makes you special in the circumstances? Well, the Senate and the House are continuing to operate independently. So I know the House Speaker formed his own committee on COVID-19 and the Senate formed their own. So, yeah, I mean, there's, there's nothing special. I think everybody in the entire world, like 8 billion people are trying to make adjustments to this and figure out how to move forward and do the most critical things. As well put. So can the Senate committee meet with the House committee? Are they talking to each other remotely? Of course. I don't, I don't, I'm not sure. I don't know what sort of communications that's happened between the two committees, but they certainly can talk if they would like to. Sure, sure. Well, what about, say, the Senate committee, the one that's meeting and doing, you know, social media and, and what are they talking about? What are their agendas like? Like what issues are they covering? Well, they, you know, they've only existed for a few weeks now, but they pushed really hard for the quarantine and for restrictions on travel, for screenings at the airport and in cruise ship passengers from arriving, more, you know, having General Hara step up into more of a leadership role, all sorts of things like that.  So we're doing oversight and, you know, ultimately all these departments are going to have to come back to the legislature later and answer for their successes and failures. So holding them accountable now and holding the purse strings for later. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's really important. So, you know, I wondered one thing, we asked ourselves this question earlier, is that where is the state government right now? Oversight, you know, even in a temporary way be valuable, but is the state employees working? Are they being paid? Are they in their offices? Are they at home? Are they closed? What's the status and does it depend on the department or what? It does depend on the department. Everyone's being paid and being expected to work from home if they're not working in the office. I, for example, I've been on a 14-day quarantine after one of the state senators tested positive for COVID-19, but I've still been working all day long every single day from this room you see here. And we've been experimenting with, you know, ways for our office to keep in touch. We've been using Microsoft Teams. Today we just started using Zoom and we're going to see if that works a little better. We've been communicating with Senator English, the majority leader who is stuck in this, in a home in Honomali right now. So, of course, they don't have the fastest internet connection in Honomali, but we're making it work. And so we're still continuing to meet on multiple islands and doing the best we can. And, you know, we're basically having to reinvent the wheel right now in the middle of a crisis when we've been busier than we've ever been, but everyone has to just keep going forward. What happens with an agency? I'm just picking one out of the air, but say the tax office, which is closed. If you wanted to go into the tax office, the door would be locked. Presumably the people in the tax office are working at home, but I'm not sure that they can actually bring these sensitive tax documents home and work on them. I'm not sure what they can do, even if they want to do something. And I don't know how they might serve as the public if anybody calls, for example, wants to ask a question. So how is that shaping up? Is there some system that the state has in general for funneling questions for organizing, you know, the work where the members of the staff engage with the public? Every department is doing this on their own, but I think that some places have skeleton crews in the building and other people working from home. Other people have figured out how to forward phone lines to cell phones or home lines. In our office, we have voicemails get sent to us by email. So if anyone calls the office line, we get an email right away and call them back from our home line. And I've been putting my personal cell number on press releases for reporters to have it, if they need to reach me in a timely manner. So I think a lot of departments that you call them, you can still reach someone or email them, but you definitely can't show up in person. Yeah. And Department of Health must be really, really, really, really busy these days in dealing with all the issues. So Department of Health, Department of Transportation, Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, they've all been picking up the slack and the folks who do the unemployment payments are really working hard. Unemployment went from 17,000 people filing one year ago in March. And in this March last month, 117,000 people. That's more than 10% of all the people in this island in the state. What about funding for things? We have a constitutional provision requires balancing the budget. We're not getting a lot of tax receipts these days. How can the state government pay the bills? Are we going to start printing money? I mean, in our own way, or are we just going to go in the hole? I mean, how are we going to deal with that? Yeah. Unlike the federal government, the state can't print money or carry a deficit. So they have to balance the budget. So I think that's going to be a challenge next budget cycle for sure. I think everything in the budget outline right now is depending on revenue projections and tax revenues that aren't going to be there. There can be a lot more expenses like this unemployment funding and all sorts of things that departments are doing. So it's going to be tough. Yeah, I'm going to figure out a lot of things. Well, it strikes me from watching the governor and for that matter the mayor, you know, come on and deal with the public every day and have press conferences just like in Washington. Because my theory is that one of the legs on the stool dealing with a crisis like this is public information, is public communication. For example, I was surprised that he suspended the Public Information Act a day or two ago. I didn't really catch why that was. But, you know, I think that public information is critical to keep the public on board, you know, to make them work together to keep them sufficiently helpful that this too shall pass. And you're right in the middle of that. You can see that better than most, you know, in the square building. And I wonder what you're doing, what your office is doing in order to participate in the governor's press conferences and in communications that are going out from various agencies to the public. Tell me how you spend your day, Jesse. There's absolutely a huge demand for information about this COVID-19 situation and all the major changes. And yeah, I mean, in my entire career, we've never had announcements as huge as, for example, everyone must stay at home indefinitely. You know, so it's really important that everybody knows what's happening.  So people for weeks are like, you have to make the governor stop tourists from coming into town, even though the Department of Health reminds us that 80% of the cases that came from outside of Hawaii to Hawaii were from white residents who traveled and came back, not from tourists. But so, you know, we have to restrict Hawaii residents' travel as well as tourists. That's really an all hands on deck effort. You know, it strikes me that here we are, we're only a couple of weeks in actually, it's hard to believe. And I mean, I've been staying home. I've been doing this show from home as you are. And I'm thinking that I'm going to go stir crazy after a while. I think everybody's going to go stir crazy after a while. As you say, there's no real date on which we, you know, we're released from being at home. And I wonder, you know, what the plan would be, is, could be in dealing with the dynamic of this sort of thing. It's not going to stay the same. You have 1.4 million people in the state give a take. And they're going to get anxious after a while. And I don't know if they're going to demand more information, or they're going to get confused, or they're going to, I don't know, somehow get, you know, get anxious. And what do you do as a communicator when, you know, in the future, when the same process, the same stresses continue on and on.  What's the plan if there is one? Absolutely. Mental health care is a component of this that is going to need to be addressed. And, you know, everybody's sort of focused on the immediate triage of trying to stop people from getting this virus and helping our healthcare providers deal with them. But there's a whole nother aspect of this that, yeah, people are stuck at home.  And, you know, being scared of their neighbors and strangers and seeing people in masks, you know. So I think, you know, I don't know that there's something that government can do to make everyone feel better. But I personally have been trying to reach out to all my friends and, you know, my friends do on Mainland and overseas and just check on them and see how they're doing, you know. So my high school friends and I've been doing big group chats together and catching up. And it's kind of nice, actually, because our geographical closeness is no longer a factor in who we talk to. And it's enabled me to catch up with a lot of people from over my life. But of course, I can't wait until I can go back out in Chinatown and have a good time like we used to. That may be after an indeterminate period, actually. I'm sorry to say. Well, you know, I think it's, I think you really hit on a number of important things that we have to be mindful of in the community. And I hope it doesn't start breaking down, but there's that risk out there. So the other thing I wanted to ask you is, this is really an important, I guess, a planning point, is we have learned, we've been thrown into a bath of cold water. Over the past few weeks, we have learned, you know, about transformations that come by surprise, about profound events that change our lives, and more of the community life. So you must be thinking about this. If you had your chance, and we can break this down, if you had your chance to make correction, to improve or modify the systems around you legislatively, in fact, governmentally going forward, what would you do? What would your, you know, bill in particular be as and when the legislature can make changes? As and when we can make changes in the Constitution, what would you want to do to prevent this kind of dilemma from ever happening again? Okay, well, I don't know if we can prevent another pandemic, but I do think that if there's a silver lining to all this, it's pushing us to embrace technology and, you know, telecommuting. One huge contributor to climate change and carbon emissions is everybody driving back and forth to work every day. And so we're showing that, you know, it is possible to function working from home and maybe in the future, you know, we'll work from home two days a week and go in three days a week or, you know, things like that. And we're also, you know, I downloaded the Safeway delivery app, and I got groceries delivered to me, and I never even occurred to me to do that before. And so maybe that's something we'll do in the future that I'll reduce our trips back and forth around town. Yeah, there's all kinds of things we're learning, isn't it? I mean, less than a minute as far as I'm concerned. One of the things I wanted to raise earlier, and I'll pick up on it now, is that public confidence is very important. And so we have some hot button issues that I don't think people are confident about, or trusting, for that matter, of statements that are made by public officials. One is the hot button of the masks. Well, there's three things, the masks, the tests, and the ventilators. And a lot of this is federal, I have to say. But some of it is state. And I wonder, you know, what's your thought about the importance of candor, even when the news isn't so good, rather than, you know, misleading people or confusing them or not, not telling them the real story. And we must be learning about that too, don't you think? Absolutely. I mean, this is a public health emergency and accurate real time information can help people make decisions that can save the lives of themselves and their loved ones, and their community members. And we saw on a federal level, I mean, it's a just perfect example, someone trying to spin something so it looks better. But in providing this misinformation to the public actually made the problem much worse, probably going to cause hundreds of thousands of additional deaths that could have been avoided if the president had just been honest with the public from the beginning. He doesn't have much credibility. His CDC director, Anthony Fauci has a lot of credibility. So people are turning to him. I've seen him on the national morning shows. But yeah, and, you know, masks, Mayor Caldwell just had a press conference right before we did this interview where he had everyone in the press comments wear a mask and he's now asking the public if they do need to go shopping and go into public places to please wear a mask to protect other people. You know, it doesn't protect, it's not going to protect you from getting it, but it's going to protect you from breathing out onto other people. So all these things, absolutely. I mean, even, you know, there was some cover up alleged from China when the outbreak first began, which delayed other countries from being able to prepare for it. So this is a great example. I mean, I just watched the miniseries Chernobyl as part of my binge watching where I've been on self-quarantine. And that's another great example of hiding the information caused a lot more people to die than needed to. If you don't mind a semi-personal question on this, you know, we've all been locked up. We've all been watching the news. We all understand that this is probably airborne. It only takes one, one particle of virus to infect you. And worse yet is that people can go through the whole process of the disease and never know it. Be symptomatic and they can be infectious the whole time, which makes you look at, you know, your neighbors and friends in a different way, which makes you look at strangers certainly in a different way. And, you know, we all, we all have our view of things. And I wonder what your view of it is now. How do you feel? Are you optimistic, pessimistic? Are you afraid? How much? I'm just talking about you and not a public official type statement, just how you're feeling. You know, because I go through these questions too, but I'm wondering how you feel about it. Yeah. Obviously, I wish that this wasn't happening. I'm a social person and I love interacting with people. And yes, I mean, every time I'm in an elevator or some public space, I'm like thinking about who that person is and where they've been and trying to size them up based on their appearance, which is not fair or an indication really of what they've been doing. I think, yeah, I mean, we're all getting suspicious of each other, but maybe I'm hopeful that we're going to come together and we're going to look out for each other and we're going to bring food to the elderly people in our neighborhood and we're going to come together and be stronger. And then when we finally get the green light to go out and be less than six feet from people, we'll enjoy each other's company and be kind to one another. At least that's what I'm hoping for. What a joy it will be to be able to shake somebody's hand again.  It seems ancient. It's so far into the past. Well, Jesse, thank you so much for helping us understand these things and getting a window on it. I think things will change. Things will evolve one way or the other or both, depending. And I would certainly like to double back with you in the future to take your, may I say, take your temperature again. Well, we'll do a good social distancing and take a shot after you buy it. Thank you, Jesse. Stay safe. Thanks, James. Appreciate it.


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