Hey everyone, welcome back to theCUBE's day one coverage of VMware Explorer 2022, live from San Francisco. I'm Lisa Martin and I'm basically sitting with the cloud. I got a power panel here with me. You are not going to want to miss this segment. Please welcome Narayan Bhardwaj. I probably, did I do okay on that? Great. Thank you. VP and GM of Cloud Solutions at VMware. Thanks for joining us. Phil Brotherton is back, our alumni, VP Solutions and Alliance is at NetApp. Phil, great to see you in person. And Steve Jones, GM, SAP and VMware Cloud at Amazon. Welcome guys. Thank you. So we've got VMware NetApp and Amazon. I was telling Phil before we went live, I was snooping around on the NetApp website the other day and I saw a tagline that said, two is the company, three is the cloud. But I get to sit with the cloud. This is fantastic. Narayan, talk to us about the big news that came out just about 24 hours ago. With these three powerhouses. We're super excited. We are celebrating five years of VMware Cloud this week. And with three powerhouses here, we're announcing the general availability of VMware Cloud and AWS with NetApp on tap via AWS FSX. And so this solution is now generally available across all global regions. And we are super excited with all our joint customers and partners to bring this to the market. So Steve, give us your perspective as AWS, as the biggest hyperscaler. Talk about the importance of the partnership and the long standing partnerships that you've had with both NetApp and VMware. Yeah, you bet. So first of all, maybe I'll start with Narayan and VMware. So we've had a very long standing partnership with VMware for over five years now. One thing that we've heard consistently from customers is they want help in reducing the heavy lifting or the friction that typically comes with cloud adoption. And VMware has been right in the trenches with us and helping with that over the years with the VMware Cloud on AWS offering. And now that we've got NetApp at the FSX on tap solution, a managed storage solution that has been known and trusted in the on premises world, now available since September on AWS, but now available for use with VMware Cloud. It's just amazing for customers who are looking for that agility. Right, Phil, talk about NetApp has done a phenomenal job in its own digital transformation journey. Talk about that as an enabler for what you announced yesterday and the capabilities that NetApp is able to bring to its customers with VMware and with AWS. Yeah, you know, it started, it's interesting because NetApp's always been a company that works very closely with our partners. VMware has been a huge partner of ours since, gosh, 2005, probably some time like that. I started working with Amazon back in about 2013, 2014 when we first took on tap and brought it to the Amazon platform in the marketplace, ahead of what's now FSX ends like a dream to bring a fully managed on tap onto the world's biggest cloud. So that work, you're really looking at about, I mean, it depends how you look at it, 15 years of work. And then as Ryan was saying that VMware was working in parallel with us on being a first party service on Amazon, we came together and Ryan and I came together and VMware and NetApp came together about probably about two years ago now with this vision of what we're announcing today. So to have GA of this combination for meaning global availability, anybody can try it today. It's just an amazing day. It's really a great day. Yeah, it's unbelievable how we have sort of partnered together on hard engineering problems to create a very simple outcome for customers and partners. One of the things, you know, VMware cloud is a very successful service offering with a lot of great consumption and different verticals, things like cloud migration, transforming your entire data center and moving to the cloud, things like, you know, modernizing your apps, disaster recovery, now ransomware this week. So really, really exciting uptake and innovation in that whole service. One thing customers always told us that they want more options for storage, decoupled from compute. And so that really helped customers to lower their total cost of ownership and get even more workloads into VMware cloud. And this partnership really creates that opportunity for us to provide customers with those options. Let me give you an example. I was walking over here, just before I walked over here, we were with a customer talking about exactly what Narayan's talking about. We were modeling, using a TCO calculator that we've all put together as well, on what we call data intensive workloads, which in this case, it was a 500 gigabytes per VM. So not a huge amount of data per VM. The case study modeled out a 38% cost savings or reduction in total cost, which in the case was like 1.2 million per year of total cost down to 700 million. Then just, you could do the, just depends on how many VMs you have and how big a votes you have. But that's the kind of cost savings we're talking about. So this is a really easy value to talk about. You save a lot of money. And it's exactly as Narayan said, because we can separate the compute and the storage. I was just going to say, the reason for that is it used to be with VMware Cloud and AWS, if you wanted more storage for your workload, you would have to add another node. So with another node, you would get, on the compute node, you would get the compute, you'd get the memory around the storage, but now we've actually decoupled the ability to expand the storage footprint from the compute, allowing customers to really expand as their needs grow. So it's a lot more flexibility that customers had. Flexibility is key. Every customer needs that, they need to be agile. There's always a competitor waiting in the rearview mirror behind any business waiting to take over if they can't innovate fast enough, if they can't partner with the best of the best to deliver the infrastructure that's needed to enable those business outcomes. I wanted to get your perspective, Steve. What are some of the outcomes that when you're talking to customers, you talked about field to TCO, those are huge numbers, very compelling. What are some of the other outcomes that customers can expect to achieve from this solution? That's a great question. I think customers want the flexibility we talked about. Customers absolutely want to be able to move fast. They're also very demanding customers who have had an experience with solutions like NetApp on tap on premises, right? So they've come to expect enterprise features like thin provisioning, snapshotting, cloning, rapid cloning, right, and even replication of data. Given that customers now can leverage this type of functionality as well through the NetApp solution with VMC, they're getting all those enterprise class features from the storage in combination with what they already had with vSAN and VMC. Steve earlier mentioned, the word we used, we kind of took it from Amazon was friction, is so many workloads run in VMware VMs today to be able to just simply pick them up as is, move them to Amazon, makes cloud adoption just, I mean, frictionless is an extreme word, but it's really lowers the friction to cloud adoption. And as Steve said, then you've got all these enterprise features wherever you need to run. It just brings speed. I was just about to say, it's got to be at the speed, it has to be a huge factor here. Yeah, yeah. One of the things that we've seen with VMware cloud is operational consistency as a customer value because when customers are thinking about complex enterprise apps moving that to the cloud, they need that operational consistency which drives down their costs. They don't have to relearn new skills. They're used to VMware, they're used to NetApp. And so this partnership really fosters that operational consistency as a big customer value and they can reuse those skills and really reapply them in this cloud model. The other thing is the cloud model here is super completely managed. If you think about that, right, customers have to do less. VMware, AWS and NetApp is doing more for them in this model. So you're able to really deliver a lot of workforce efficiency workforce productivity across the stack? Absolutely. And that's definitely true that IT just, as IT gets more complex, how do you manage it? Just continue, everybody talking about this, right? So when a completely managed service by VMware and Amazon is such a savings in management complexity which then gets back to speed, how do I grow my plant faster? I mean, really at the end of the day, customers are actually able to focus on what differentiates them, obviously, versus the management of the underlying infrastructure and storage and all those things that are still critical, but exactly. But for the customer to be able to have to abstract the underlying technology layer and focus on what differentiates them from the competition that's like I said, right back here. That's, especially if there's anything we've learned in the last couple of years, it said that is critical for businesses across every industry. No industry is exempt from this. None. Just an example of what you're talking about is we all work a lot on modernization techniques like using Kubernetes and container technologies. So with this, if you think about this, this solution, you can move an app as is, modernize on the cloud, you can modernize and then move, the flexibility that this enables, so it's sort of like move to the cloud at your rate is a really big benefit. And we've seen so many customer examples of migrate and modernize is how we like to summarize it where customers are migrating, modernizing at their own pace. And the good thing about the platform and the service is that it is the home for all applications, virtual machines, containers with Kubernetes, backed by local storage, external storage options. The level of flexibility for all applications is really immense and that drives down your TCO even more. From a target customer perspective, Noreen, talk about that, who is the target? Obviously, I imagine it's VMware customers, it's NetApp customers, it's AWS, but are there any targets kind of within that that are really prime candidates for this solution? Yeah, a great question. First of all, the easy sort of overlap between all of us is our shared customer pool. And so VMware and NetApp have been partners for what, 20 years, something like that? And we have thousands of customers using our joint solutions in the data center. And so that's a very clear target for this solution as they're considering use cases such as cloud migration, disaster recovery, virtual desktops, application modernization. So that's a very clear target and we see this day in and day out. Obviously, there are many other customers that would be interested in this solution as well as they're considering AWS. And we provide a whole range of consumption options for them, right? And I think that's one of the sort of the good things about our partnership, including with AWS, where customers can purchase this from VMware, can purchase this from AWS, and all of these different options, including from our partners, really makes it very, very compelling. Talk a little bit about, from each of your perspectives, about the, what's in it for me as a partner of these companies? Steve, we'll start with you. I mean, what's in it for me is that it's what my customers have been asking for. And we have a long history, I think of providing managed services, again, to remove that heavy lifting that customers often just don't want to have to do. Having seen the adoption of managed storage offerings, including the NetApp solution here and now being able to bring that into the VMware space where they're already using it in a non-premises world and now they're moving those workloads. Being able to satisfy that need that a customer is asking for is awesome. We, every time we're at an AWS event, we are always talking about it's absolute customer obsession. And I know NetApp and VMware well and know that that is a shared obsession across the three companies. Hey Lisa, let me add one more thing. It's interesting, not everybody sees this, but it's really obvious that the NetApp on-prem installed base with VMware, which is tens of thousands of customers, this is an awesome solution. Not quite as obvious is that every on-prem VMware customer gets that TCO benefit I mentioned. That's not limited to the NetApp on-prem installed base. So we're really excited to be able to expose all the market that hasn't used our products on-prem to this cloud solution. And it's really clear customers are adopting the cloud, right? So that's one of the reasons we're so excited about this is it opens up a huge new opportunity to work with new customers for us. Talk about those customer conversations, Phil. Where are they happening at what level are you talking with customers about migration to cloud? Has it changed in the last couple of years? Oh yeah, I've been working on this for years and a lot of the on-prem conversation, it's been a little bifurcated that on-prem is on-prem and cloud developers are cloud developers and Amazon's done a huge amount to break that down, VMware getting in the game. A lot of it's networking complexities, those have gone down, a lot of people are cross-connected and set up today, which that wasn't so true five years ago. So now it's a lot of conversations about, I hear carbon footprint reduction, I hear data, all in and around data center reduction, the cloud guys are super efficient operators of data center infrastructure. We're talking about different use cases like disaster recovery. It's everybody though, it's small companies, it's big companies, they're all sort of moving into this, they call it at least hybrid world, and that's why, when I say we're getting really excited about this because it does get rid of a lot of friction for moving loads in those directions at the rate the customer wants to do it. One last really quick thing is, I was using that up as an example, we have about 300 enterprise workloads, we want to move to the cloud too, right? And so they're all running VMware, like most the world, and so this solution looks really good to us and we're going to do the exact, I was just out with our CIO, we're going to, looking at those 300, which do we just lift and move, which do we refactor, and how do we do that? In fact, Ryan was out to dinner with us last night talking about this. It's more and more it's being driven top down. So in the early days, I've been with Amazon for 10 years now, early days it was kind of developer oriented, often initiated projects, now it's top level CIOs. I heard two mandates today, talking to customers. I think of reinvent as an IT conference now, in the way some of these top down mandates are driven. But listen, I mean, we got great customer interest, we've been in preview for three to six months now, and we've seen a lot of customers were not able to drag their entire data center workloads because of different reasons of TCO, data intensive workloads, et cetera. We've seen tremendous amounts of interest from them, and we're also seeing a lot of new customers in the pipeline that want to consider VMware cloud now that we have these great storage options. So there's a pretty healthy TAM I'm hearing. Absolutely. I think so. It's interesting, another just both like WWT and Presidio channel partners, big, huge channel partners. It takes no selling to explain. We just say, hey, we're doing this and they start building services. Presidio is here with us talking about a customer win that they got. So this is, it's easy for people to see why this is a cool solution. The value prop is there. There's no having to peel the onion to find it. No, the money savings is just what Narayan said. A lot of people have seen an obstacle of cost. So the TCO benefit I mentioned removes that obstacle and then that opens the door to all the features Steve was talking about of the advanced storage features and things on the platform. So is there a customer that's been in beta on this solution that you can talk about in terms of what they were looking for, the challenges that you helped them erase and the outcomes they're achieving? Yeah, sure. I can provide one example. A large financial customer was looking at this during the preview phase. And for reasons before that, already a customer, but they were not able to attract a lot of their other workloads from other business units. And with this solution now, the service is a much better candidate for those workloads in those business units that had not considered VM workloads. We're really excited to see new workloads coming from that particular customer. Given this particular solution, and the whole TCO math for them was very, very straightforward and simple. And this became a more attractive option for that particular customer. Is there a shadow IT elimination factor here in this technology and who you're selling to? Not really, not intentionally. I wouldn't say, yeah, not intentionally. It was funny with the customers, I was thinking as you asked the question, the customers that are in the preview were seeing the benefits that we're talking about. One of the reasons we started the project on our side a number of years ago was this very large cement company was looking for carbon CO2 reduction. Part of that was moving disaster recovery to the cloud. There was a lot of friction in the solution. Prior to this, the customers have done some of the things we're talking about, but it takes a lot of skill. And we were looking at working with that customer going, how could we simplify this? And that was from our point of view, it drove us to VMware and AWS saying, can't we pull some of the friction of this out? And I think that's what we've seen in the previews. And that's what it meant. It's so exciting to go from having states, I don't know, we have about 20 previews right now going to the globe today is the exciting news today. And is the solution here in Booz that it can be demoed and folks can kind of get their hands on it? Yeah, they can go to the VMware Cloud Boot at the expo and they can get their hands on the demo and they can take it for a test drive. Excellent. You can run TCO calculators and do your own math and see what you're going to, all that's integrated today. We also have pilots where we can help walk customers through a scenario of their own. Yep. Excellent. Is there a joint website that you guys have we should drive folks to? Yeah. It's actually yours. It's yours. It's prominently on our website. Okay. VMware Cloud. It is on VMC.vmware.com. But we also have the other corporate marketing websites that have this VMware.com is a great starting point. And we feature the solution prominently. Customers can get started today. And they can even participate in the hands on labs here and take the solution for a test drive. All right. Last question, Narayan, we'll start with you on this. Here we are. I love the theme of this event, the center of the multi-cloud universe. Does it not sound like a Marvel movie? I feel like there should be some, is there any superhero that's running around? Cause I really feel like there should be. How is this solution an enabler of allowing customers to really extract the most of value from their multi-cloud world that they're living in? Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, our mission is to build, run, manage secure applications in any cloud, right? And Ragu has been talking about this at the keynote this morning as well. You know, at least with NetApp, we share a very good joint vision of enabling customers to, you know, place applications with really good TCO cross clouds. And so it's a really good story, I feel. And I think this is a really good step in that direction where customers have choice and flexibility in terms of where they put their applications and the TCO value that they get. Awesome. Guys, you got to come back next with a customer. I would love to dig it, maybe at re-invent. Sounds good to play. We can dig into more and to see a great story of how a customer came together and is really leveraging the power that is sitting next to me here. Thank you all so much for joining me and having this great conversation. Congratulations on the announcement and it being GA. Thank you, awesome. Thank you. All right, fun conversation. I told you, power panel for my guests. I'm Lisa Martin, you're watching theCUBE. Keep it right here for more live coverage of VMware Explorer 2022 from downtown San Francisco. We'll be right back with our next guest.


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Thank you very much for coming and I will see you soon. Thank you so much. I'm really happy to be here in Berlin because now these days I'm living in Chile, which is really, really, really far away. And as my great job, I direct this office. Mostly women work at my office, 85% are women of the staff. And we are trying to, we used to develop technology for public goods. And now we are kind of shifting the, and we are in a profound process of being critical of the work we do in two offices in the North and South on what is our role as civil society at the intersection of technology and democracy. And few days ago, I was giving a talk in Santiago, and I asked a question that let me ask all of you, who is born in this century, in this room? Basically, an indicative of how different our world is, because in that random tech conference in Chile, most of the people in the room were born after 2000. So, it is the demographics, if you think on this changing world with complex crises, like if you look at Africa and Latin America, the vast parts of Asia, most of the people, they were born after 9-11. They were born, many of them, and it's incredible the lack of a word that we have in young generations, and I don't want to sound like a grandma on the internet, but young generations, many of them are not even aware that when they were born, new wars were starting. Not only Iraq war, Afghanistan war, but that's a lot of privacy. So, many of the people today, young people today, starting to use technology and starting to use products like Next Cloud, we were the ones that were taking rights for granted. They, many of them, take the erosion of the rights for granted. And so, that's why I wanted to, this talk is going to be a little bit long. I will try to cover a lot of time, I will try to cover a decade, and I will try to cover different moments when I think that we will still somehow in charge of technology, and how we failed in tackling issues that only got bigger and bigger and bigger through time. I'm writing a book about digital colonialism, and as you can see here on the Ops and Downs, we are heading to a quite dangerous part. I would like to arrive at the last bit of this. I hope that this talk will help me conduct you through all these phases because next year is a crucial year. Next year is a year where a big conference is going to take place and it is not being discussed now. It is not in this media, and it is not socialized through our circles, but many of you might be familiar with the World Trade Organization. And the World Trade Organization will celebrate a big ministerial meeting next year, and then we will start discussing our issues, the future of economic commerce, technology, privacy and all of that. And there's a big, big, big push to basically consolidate a set of rules that will make practically impossible to fight back and practically impossible to re-democratize technology for people. And so there will be another bit, a little bit long, our conversation today, but I want to, and I'm not a pessimist, I'm optimistic that we can fight this back and I think that we can make the changes that we need, but we need to be very careful and look at the mistakes we made in the last nine years. So we may look at the things that we celebrated that were not motives of celebration, and things that were so overwhelming and so upsetting that it was like an associative, paralyzed, fragmented, and not really fighting back. I have separated a set in different periods from 2009 to 2012. I call it the unexpected development. From 2013 to 2050, the crisis of trust. Then 16 to 19, the digital despots consolidation. And then 2019, that's when we are going to hopefully have a conversation on how we fight back. So this was a really unexpected disruption. The massive leak of development of cables, a massive provocation by a big coalition of provocations, but also the collaboration on modern video, but also, and I don't want to be U.S. and U.S. centric, but also all the emergence of independent journalists and whistleblowers blowing the whistle up, just publishing everything online. And this was, the pirate day was also a disruption, and it was an disruption in different ways. It was played by our rules, instead of played by the rules, that assistant, chronic and assistant was completely outdated and not reflected in the values of people, was kind of imposing enough. And this is a mix that I'm spring. I am not sure if it was a disruption to celebrate or a disruption to be cautious in our optimism about. And it is interesting because if you compare this picture of the Arab Spring and the telephones and everyone being the broadcaster of their own revolution, and you see what happened next, and we know what happened next, Syria happened next, and lots of other conflicts happened next. And I think that we, if we go back to the mistakes we made, first in here with WikiLeaks, the revelations of Chelsea Manning and with WikiLeaks, we made a lot of mistakes. One of the mistakes, like I think that the most, as a lawyer who was very closely involved in the case, I think that the most important mistake that we didn't tackle was the increased role of private companies in censorship and the politicization of censorship with a phone call to a company by Washington. It was a series of attacks, it was technical attacks, financial attacks, physical attacks, surveillance. It was overwhelming for the people involved. But I remember when the diplomatic cables started being published and Amazon servers kicked out like Amazon, the DNS company, PayPal, all these companies, the reaction, the politicized reaction, but imperialist reaction to the WikiLeaks publication was not, I think that we didn't get upset enough. We were more upset about the revelations published by the journalists and by the attempts, like open attempts at assassination threats and all of that than as a civil society, we saw it as an isolated issue because it really caught the State Department by surprise and a lot of powerful people by surprise and they reacted in a very, I think that the most interesting thing is that they reacted in a very transparent way. They showed the real colors. They showed that when Washington is upset about something, the private sector is an extension of this very, of the most powerful army in the world, basically, and it will do as Washington says. And I think that mistake, not fighting back, not litigating, not exposing how awful that was, how centralized our systems were, how dependent our freedom of speech was of, let's say, how vulnerable our dissent was to the wishes of American companies. I think that that was, we neglected that very basic thing and it only in the next 10 years is really good words as we can see now. Good things that were of that time and is a reflection I have been thinking a lot of is that censorship was visible and tangible. So when your enemy is visible and tangible, you can fight it back. Censorship was a blocked website, a page that wouldn't load. Today, and as we will see, censorship is getting like more ubiquitous, more intangible, more arbitrary and less and less accountable. And I remember when I was working on digital rights at that time, we could point at the censor and we will more or less know the reasons of the censorship. It was a government, it was sometimes private sector for copyright claims, but nowadays is more difficult. If a word disappears from us, if it is really difficult to access information, we sometimes do not know the reasons behind that. Well, then we had the crisis of trust and the chilling effects attached to that crisis of trust. And we also had something very interesting that was not that present in our lives, probably in the lives of Germans, yes, but not in the rest of the world. 2014 was a key year when most of the people all over the world accessed the internet via telephones. It was more likely that you will access the internet via a mobile phone than by a computer. And that really changed everything and that really changed not only the commodification of people and people's data, but also the architecture, the dominant architecture of the way we connect. And I really, really, really like, and you, I think that you cannot see everything, but I will, yeah. I really, really like this slide is by Yochai Benkler. And Yochai Benkler, I think that he dislikes mobile phones as much as I dislike mobile phones because the utopian, interoperable, democratic internet I loved in the decade before was of computers and was of the promise of interoperability and was of the promise of anyone not only creating things for profit, but also creating things for public good. And on a mobile phone sometimes, I mean, not sometimes, most of the time, everything is for profit, everything is closed and two big actors control the markets. And as we have seen in this year with the Huawei conflict, it is really, it is not only market issue, it's a political issue as well. Well, this is, I mean, if I wasn't speaking to my art students in Santiago, I would have to go and speak what the spectrum means or what the RM means with this audience. It's quite easy to go quickly through this, but it is a good reflection on how each and every bit of a mobile phone is impossible to open, basically. And I shared with these students an anecdote when I was in Guatemala, when I was a little girl, part of my computer classes was to basically open our computer, see what was inside, clean the keyboard, clean piece by piece the keyboard, and then put it back together. And now kids, they cannot do that with a telephone. I mean, good luck. And they cannot see what's running on the telephone and they cannot, I mean, the devices, I remember that my grandmother used to say, oh yes, you young people know about technology and you understand how it operates. And I think that we have to stop telling ourselves that lie because I think that from 2014 on, we no longer, we have been removed from the right, a right has been taken away from us, and that's another fight that we didn't vote enough. A right has been taken away from us, not only as consumers, as people, as people learning and as people trying to improve what, and adapt the technologies we have. It's okay. We do not have any more the ability to play and think and do things. And that's especially important because with young people, I mean, that's the future. The future is a future of lack of accountability of the devices they use and the cars they use and all the nightmare to come with 5G. I really like this quote by Shoshana Subov because basically as we have seen, as we will see later in my slides, every digital application that can be used for surveillance and control will be used for surveillance and control. And yeah, I think that this was the crisis of trust of 2013 and then it continued to 2014 and it continues. It doesn't seem to stop on when it became clear, the WikiLeaks thing, we had like just a little test and then we really experienced this marriage between companies and intelligence agencies and I think that that changed but not enough. I think that we took the wrong path there. I think that we, people who understood the dimensions of what was going on, we really went on the defense, on encryption and privacy enhancing technologies, on trying to cover the camera on the machine, try to instead of fighting back and saying this is unacceptable and saying we are going to abandon these services and we are going to advocate for our governments to stop using these services and these companies should go bankrupt because they betrayed people. We went on the okay, this is inevitable, let's just protect us, we privilege people that know and understand encryption and let's go and hide and not fight. And the result, I wrote a paper and it's really devastating the paper because these guys are so intelligent, so intelligent that what they did between 2013 and 2016 was to reform most of the laws from most of the countries to legalize what they were doing and to justify what they were doing under national security arguments and that was our failure because if I look at Europe while everyone was like with a good fight with the GDPR, all these legal reforms, it was like super rapid, okay, terrorist attack here and next week the law was being discussed and approved without much public scrutiny or ability to change the things. And that of course, it not only happened in here but I think that Europe was the real change maker and Europe was the continent that could, the difference of treatment on this if instead European citizens, instead of using all this crap were using now by law and under national security arguments European made technology that is more accountable and more independent from the telephone in Washington situation would be different. It's important that we reflect... No, it's important that we reflect on this because we must not allow this to happen again and with the 5G technology we have, there's an opportunity, a window of opportunity there, devices that will pollute our cities basically. And well, I think that we owe a lot to this person and we do not thank him enough and we need to make... and I am glad that he's publishing his book soon, I mean it's already out because it will bring back to the table these topics because they kind of vanished. Cambridge Analytica blah, distracted us completely from 2016 and it's important issue but those issues here are very, very important and here it's not even into the infrastructure and we... I think that we need to really continue the pending conversation and challenge those laws being passed. This is a global issue as we saw with the XQIS Court and this is so outdated. I cannot imagine right now the government like led by Pompeo... Well, Bolton is gone but horrible people in Washington who really like to undermine people's rights. Imagine how vast... We don't have a whistleblower jet as posting how the surveillance under the Trump era is taking place but I imagine that if this was happening during Obama administration I can only imagine what's happening now. Well, the next period I want to look at was the one that I described like digital despots against citizens and I think that the point that marked the beginning of this era is when these data lords they start trying to be the ones connecting the next billion maybe you were not exposed to this blah but in continents like Latin America, Asia and Africa it was all about, oh yes, Facebook will provide internet for the poor children on the half of the continent or Google will provide this cable to African governments to be able to connect to the internet and it was a time of empty promises of connectivity that will solve everything and it also... it was more open the colonial attitude of Silicon Valley Silicon Valley companies through... I remember that before you will have these keynotes by the Silicon Valley people in tech conferences but then I started seeing a trend of Max Zuckerberg meeting the president of Brazil or the people at Google meeting basically Silicon Valley was slowly moving closer openly because they were doing it before closer to be these sort of tech ambassadors to do... I remember Eric Schmidt visiting Cuba and North Korea so it was weird because as a company you're supposed to provide a service and you're supposed to serve your customers you're not supposed to be political ambassadors to Cuba or North Korea and bringing the products offering the products to these countries in the global south key countries, powerful countries it was a lot... it looked a lot like when the Spanish arrived in Latin America and we were offering these little mirrors to the locals we found it abusive and we found it completely unacceptable but yeah, we will find out later the close relationship with politics as well and yeah, I love this picture and yeah, it is so terrible but you know that after this conference I'm heading to the strategy meeting of Oxfam and Oxfam International is one of the organizations tackling inequality all over the world and in order to connect and be able to participate in the conference I had to create a Facebook account and I was like, no, this is all that's wrong in the world and they told me, well, the only way we can connect many of our staffers in developing countries is through Facebook Facebook is the internet and it started much earlier it was a combination of austerity plans of lack of awareness of what was going on and lack of I mean laziness of governments laziness of governments usually what happened was that public service got privatized in the case of the internet it never made it to be a public utility a public service and I think that was another of the mistakes that we made and it can still be corrected in half of the world because 50% of the population is still not connected so how we connect half of humanity will define everything in the future I like here a lot Neri De Sifuentes is that was happening and these small resistance were happening as the data lords were imposing themselves she is a parliamentarian actually she's only from parliament but she's one of the youngest parliamentarians in Bolivia and Neri De Sifuentes is a free software activist and now is the minister of infrastructure in the country and I really, really, really like her approach because it's an approach that I have found sadly in Europe doesn't happen much it's still slowly happening but many of the decisions related to infrastructure and related to the tools that government uses and so on are decided are political decisions and if we do not get our people inside politics it will never happen so it's just a parenthesis on I mean she's very young and she has done so much and she doesn't have a formal education and so on imagine all the things that you could achieve inside politics it's a moment of reflection maybe for the next elections you will participate because if you don't participate people more stupid and people more like completely reckless and with a crisis of morale are going to take power and are going to take all the decisions and that's another of the reflections and that's another of the reasons why I'm kind of upset with Europe now most of the companies used by European citizens are in a jurisdiction vulnerable to the volatile decisions of this person and his team and digital despots are not do not work on isolation they work closely with the politicians in charge I guess that for big tech companies is much easier to deal with someone who cares about the issues and the problems with the one percent than the issues and the problem of the people so it's a political problem okay and it's not going ah this I mean all the CEOs of the tech companies also highlights another problem who is not in the room apart from women who are not in the room and is one of the problems that I didn't highlight from the beginning but it is as 50% of the humanity is disconnected I guess that 50% of humanity is being excluded from the process of creating technology of testing the technologies and on fixing this business model of data of the infrastructure but it is not only 50% of the population women are excluded not only the politics but also the process of developing these technologies is also that those who are not in the room are of the minorities are often vulnerable people whose interests are not taken into account on this and another important thing the close collaboration that has become very visible of these digital despots with the military but what I also want to highlight is our role as users using constantly these kind of technologies we are basically in the process of perfection in a killing machine and this is very close to my heart because I'm Central American and as you may be aware but a similar crisis that the crisis of refugees that Germany had in 2015 is going on now in the US as Shoshana was saying that every technology that can be used for surveillance and control will be used for surveillance and control that's happening now with migrant workers in the US illegal according to the US jurisdiction Palantir, Amazon all these companies are participating closely in something like basically the torture and persecution of poor people who the only intention is to work and to earn a decent living if you consider that thanks to free trade agreements and bad politics and interventions and so on the living wage of a Campesino in Guatemala is probably below 100 euro a month and you and it is the Central American cities are among the most dangerous cities in the world level of violence compared to the level of violence of a country at war then is no surprise that they go to the US and it is for me is really heartbreaking to see that technology is being taken away from the hands of them basically social media Facebook and all of that they are doing data scrapping to and that's the only way that they stay connected with the community and their families that they leave behind and this I see is using data scrapping to identify and to locate illegal migrants and the Palantir and Amazon and so on are making this efficient refugee camps, refugee jails and it is this close collaboration of a repressive government and unethical technology companies and this is becoming more visible so when we buy their products we are kind of assisting the persecution of vulnerable communities and let me stop here for a second, I'm almost at the end but very close from Germany in Turkey a journalist was chopped into pieces and that we failed we completely failed this journalist was kidnapped, tortured and you know treated with the most inhuman treatment and we didn't protest enough I think that this was one of the most outrageous situations that happened recently and I think that that moved our level of we had so desensitized and that why this is relevant for a tech conference it is relevant for a tech conference because this person was being subject of heavy electronic surveillance but it is also relevant because the perpetrators of this crime are heavily involved in the funding of tech companies the Saudis and so I have heard and there are big scandals on ethics in the tech community but these ethics the serious conversations and the very heavy conversations we are not having these conversations and I think that the moment that now has passed with that but we should be more angry and outraged and we should be more careful on analyzing who is really behind the tech companies of today well we are going through crisis from crisis the deep fakes and all of that we don't have tools to deal with that now the new threats and a legal battle that changes everything I think that the new threats as I was saying the biggest threat I see is consolidation through trade agreements and through security agreements of the power of the big tech companies and TPP and TISA were like big fights and we came out of those also the copyright directive last year was a complete disaster I mean we lost this battle is not only European the one that is coming and the next generation of trade agreements what they want to consolidate is our inability they want to block and write a citizens to open the black box and that's very serious if a trade agreement kind of crystallizes the opacity of algorithms and if a trade agreement restricts our ability to advocate for open and democratic automated decision making we are going to be like basically the slaves of the black box and I think that these trade topics are very complicated because when you advocate against some issues and against some provisions inside those you're often labeled as anti-development or anti-economic growth and that really will require a lot of creativity and a lot of technical knowledge democratized technical knowledge and you have a role to play on that to make the general public realize the importance of that and you still know how technology works and you still know how the technology works inside the black box and the dangers behind that and the lack of what can drive if there's no accountability on that if we don't fight that fight it's going to be very very complicated to win but another that's the political battle the other battle is the climate crisis and we do not talk enough about that in these kind of settings we need to in parallel of developing human centric rights preserving technologies we need to start developing in parallel and it has to go together we need to change the attitude of using technology all the time for all the reasons and keep wasting and polluting the world we need to re-examine and start developing technologies that also take care of the planet and last but not least I think that this cannot be done and people cannot be outraged if there's not responsible journalism and responsible enough knowledge of what's going on behind closed doors so I think that this battle of the current persecution and prosecution of Chelsea Manning because of refusing to talk against a journalist and the extradition of someone just because of publishing public interest information changes everything it's a controversial figure but it's not about him it is about the charges the charges now that he's facing and not only him but other journalism what we did with names are like redacted is because of the publication of information on 2010 that revealed crimes against humanity if an investigative journalist that was not doing this work from US even and that did what any other journalist was doing scrutinizing the most powerful government in the world is extradited because of that and faces a life in prison the chilling effect will be very very powerful and the re-criminalization of a source the re-criminalization of someone who blew the whistle is something abusive and again as in the case of Jamal Kajugi we are not angry enough we tend to forget it was 10 years ago so it seems so far away but if we have this kind of people in charge and we cannot blow the whistle against them without facing life in prison if blowing the whistle doesn't become citizen exercise as frequent and as common as requesting access to public information then on top of that the companies achieve opacity of the algorithms then we are going to be in serious trouble so that's all thank you so much and happy to take some questions or comments if you want to ask a question just raise your hand I will bring you the microphone the question is basically since there are so different approaches in South America and Europe and that all people don't make revolutions what can you expect from us did I get the question right? let me bring you the microphone the revolution so I try once again basically what are you proposing us to choose which kind of acts, what are the next steps practical steps for people in Europe we are edge people older people in Europe compared to South America and I was quoting that older people don't make revolution anymore we don't have the energy to do that so basically what we have to do to revolt ourselves against those injustices when we are in our comfort we have money and basically we just want others to let us in peace that is very tricky I think that Europe didn't learn from its history it makes me really upset and all people make revolutions if you read all the stories of the resistance and the partisans they were like entire communities and networks of solidarity that helped the revolution happen and I think it's not about age and comfort what makes you European and I think that doing nothing is abdicating to European values and what can you do I think that first thing vote better if there's not good options to vote at then become the option if you can only change things with your wallet then allocate your money in a wise manner in products that are ethical and that are changing things I think that sometimes you can make a lot just offering offering a little bit of time to put your knowledge at the service of people for example when this is happening, when these big negotiations on trade issues and technology are taking place even taking the moment to write a one pager explaining why something that you think is wrong on the text is wrong and sharing it with one of the negotiators of one of the global sub countries I think that inaction is not an option and I think that you have to be creative and find ways to contribute inaction is really not option at the moment in history not you will be complicit one of my favourite movements is grannies against fracking it's really worth checking out a granny and a police officer it's not a good look they're powerful as a privileged European I feel a lot of responsibility to act and represent Latin America, Africa and pretend that my voice or our voice is theirs how can we make sure that this is a global movement how can we expand and make sure that this is not only for Europeans well I think that there are many options and I think that you don't represent and you represent women and the voice of women can have different faces and I think that I think that we need to inform ourselves better on what's going on around the world and we need to be aware of what's going globally and act locally and many of the things happening I mean be very strategic the European Parliament has for example a big role on what's going on in Africa and Latin America and they can change things for good, so a gesture of global solidarity is to at least that your locals do not harm abroad I think that we are still, we have all the tools but we do not have the architecture of a global solidarity movement in place and we need to think deeply about that and how it's going to look propaganda part commercial, we are putting together something called the Progressive International and those are the questions precisely that we have been asked the movement was launched in New York last year with Bernie Sanders and Janice Barufakis and people like Ada Colau, Naomi Klein all the people talking about the issues this is the question that we are still struggling with how not to leave people out do we want it to be like English speakers only do we want it to, how are we going to connect will it only be like you know elites how can we really connect with movements and how are we going to decide the things but we often you know we on the good side are paralysed by the analysis we want everything perfect if you look at the other side they have the the nationalist, internationalist function pretty well across borders and languages the big push for nationalism and increased race on these nasty politics that's happening like very organically because they don't stop and think about these kind of things so I think that we just have to do it and it's going to be imperfect and we will make mistakes and people will be excluded but we can fix it in the process what we cannot afford anymore is to keep thinking how it will look perfectly one short comment you talked about that censorship like blunt censorship that this side is blocked would be a thing of the past and today kind of censorship is more subtle but of course this is only true for us privileged in North America and Europe because I mean large parts of the world's population they really experience this very blunt way of blocking I mean think of the Chinese Great Fireball think of Russia, think of Turkey, think of how in Sudan during the revolution there the government just switched off the entire internet for the whole country for more than a month so I guess there are many more countries like that but this is also a reality which exists and which we probably shouldn't forget about I absolutely agree actually West Papua was completely offline during big protests it doesn't even make it to the media anymore it has been normalized as well before it would be like all the attention focus on those countries and it's neglected it's simultaneous different forms of censorship and one of the forms of censorship that we don't discuss enough about it is the self-censorship of young people because they are so afraid that something that they said when they were 15 will chase them until they are 35 and applying for a job or a visa it is getting nasty it's getting in a time that we have more tools than ever before to express ourselves is the time that we are speaking the least okay so we have one last question I'm from South Africa I'm from South Africa and I lived through apartheid in South Africa and I was 22 years old I was at university in Pretoria and I came to Germany for the first time out of the country and I heard the name Nelson Mandela for the very first time being here I didn't know that he had been in jail as long as I had lived and that realization has been making it incredibly important for me to this conversation that you're having because the way the world is shaped it's shaped through the choices that we make and if we choose to be selfish if we choose to just think of ourselves ultimately the world is a really horrible place and so I work in youth development in South Africa but I really have a passion for helping the 200 million young people in Africa that are unemployed right now aged 18 to 24 to fulfill their potential and I really believe that there's like one basic principle in my life that I believe is really important for all of us and that is that we must never be overcome by evil we must always work to overcome evil with good and so in Europe relative to a younger developing world there's a lot of good that you can do if you start thinking with the question of how, which is what you were saying is not to say, you know I'm not thinking of Robert Kiyosaki, you know Rich that poor that way he says you must never say I don't have money, you must always say how can I make the money I need in the same way we must never say we can't do anything just because we're old or we can't do anything because we're far away we must start thinking how can we make a difference because we need to change the world Thank you very much, I think that was a very necessary keynote and very necessary conversation in text today of course I think we can, well I need to think after that, I'm sorry


Welcome to the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee's first meeting of 2019. Before we move to the first item on the agenda, I remind everyone to switch off their mobile phones as they may affect the broadcasting system. The first item on our agenda this morning is to consider requests from the Scottish Government to the committee to consent to the UK Government legislating using the powers under the European Union Withdrawal Act 2018. That is in relation to the animals and food transfer functions EU exit regulations 2018. Committee members should note that the notification has also been sent to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. This morning, we are only being asked to consider the elements of the notification, which relate to the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee's own remit, that is those elements concerning animal welfare and zoo techniques. The committee wrote to the Scottish Government before Christmas seeking further information on a number of points and the response that was received yesterday. Members may consider that the response provides the information that the committee sought. I do not have any comments either in the letter or anything to do with the notification. Is the committee there for consent for the Scottish Government to give its consent to the UK ministers to lay those regulations in the UK Parliament? We are. Thank you. When you confirm the committee, we will write to the Scottish Government on that basis. Is the committee happy for me to sign off on that letter? That concludes the committee's agenda in public session today. It is next meeting on 15 January. The committee will continue its 2019-2020 budget scrutiny and take evidence from the Cabinet Secretary for the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform and from the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Jobs and Fair Work. As previously agreed, the committee will now move into private session and request that the public gallery be vacated.


Guess he just caught me spinning the rope a thousand miles a second. That's why I don't look like it was spinning slow This is so fast Today we're doing some agility work and we're working on a tutorial That's going to show you how to do the feet side to side move and the feet front to back move now This is a very important skill because it ups your badassery and makes you look cool leading to You know more interactions with men or women So it's fantastic. What do you say Crayol? Okay, I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm serious now. Let's do this All right dudes and dudettes first up We got the feet front to back and I'm just gonna run through it here as I talk about the most important thing So most of you who are new you will see me talk about the the fundamentals of doing regular balance And it's important set the beginning of every tutorial if you watch me here from my waist up My elbows are in my wrists are jutting out to the sides of my hips. There's very little movement There's no basically no shoulder movement everything is being controlled by my wrists and here you can see it from a from a different angle and This is how it's gonna be for any exercise that we do guys now I stress this all the time people have seen this before like oh my god Then I'm so tired of you talking about it But honestly guys if you do not get down the regular bounce and get it down super fast Like you're able to do it super fast. It's gonna hurt your other tricks So the fundamentals of regular bounce are super important So little movement in the upper body elbows are in wrists are jutting out from the sides of the hips and you are Controlling the rope with with your wrists now. Let's go into the footwork for feet front to back shift the feet Horizontally because that's a word that I just made up now when I say horizontally what I mean is little steps and shifts Horizontally backwards and forwards you're not picking your feet up high check that out just shifting it not even it's it's only about Seven to eight inches forward and back so check me out again here now This is not how you want to do it You don't want to jump up Vertically in the air because you're gonna hurt your knees and frankly you're not gonna be able to do this very fast And you're gonna get tired really fast So they're again shifting the feet horizontally Fords and backwards let's put it together ladies and gentlemen notice how I got the regular bounce going in my upper body My shoulders have no movement my wrists are controlling the entire thing and then all I'm doing guys This this is not a huge deviation from the regular bounce. It's just Quick short motions with the feet and you'll see here in a second that it's the same for feet side to side But like anything guys This is just something that you have to practice get the fundamentals of regular bounce down and then what I would recommend is throw in a Little shift step, which is putting up, you know, one foot back one foot forward Maybe every three to five jumps if you're just starting out until you can get them Consecutively like I am doing here. So name of the game is practice guys I was bad when I started and I just kept doing it until one day. I was like good So do the same thing, you know what I'm gonna say So I'm not gonna say it again regular bounce from the waist up It never ever changes unless we're doing something like a crisscross now The one thing that you'll notice here is check my knees out. This is how you want to do this My knees stay in they are not coming out with my legs quick short Horizontal steps not big and out like I'm doing here. See how much that's how much work. I'm putting into that It's totally unnecessary and not required. So check it out here guys If you see I am just going my feet are just slightly Shifting out to the right and to the left. That's the feet front to back and feet side to side I hope you guys enjoyed this tutorial Please post comments below and ask some questions if you have them also guys We have a seven day free jump rope challenge where we teach you some of these tutorials and how to put this into a Workout that can help you lose a ton of weight a ton of body fat because personally I used to be a fat guy Brandon used to be a fat guy and we were both able to lose a ton of weight using things like the jump rope and body with Exercises to get more efficient workouts in so that link is below We will see you on the next zen dude fitness jump rope tutorial y'all