Rhett and Link believe Christianity is harmful? Has their Christian deconstruction led others astray? And how can we address the accusations against Christianity that it teaches harmful and hateful things? Let's talk about that. Hey, what's up, guys? It's Isaac David, and this is The Daily Disciple, where I help you find Jesus and follow him daily if you're new to the channel, subscribe because I'm putting out new videos all the time. I just want to give a huge shout out to everyone on Patreon. It is only because of your support that this ministry can keep going and growing. And just on a personal level, this is my mission. This is my dream. This is what I'm most passionate about in this whole world. And through your support, you're enabling me to continue to do this. So thank you. If you want to help support, link in bio to join Patreon. Okay, so what you're about to see is a clip from the Rhett and Link podcast, which is called Ear Biscuits. If you're unfamiliar with Rhett and Link, they're popular YouTubers first off. They had a video series of podcasts that came out about a year ago, talking about their Christian deconstruction. And recently they've kind of reflected on that. And a number of people have called into their podcast talking about the fact that they've left the faith after listening to Rhett and Link's podcast. This is kind of interesting. And Rhett also has some things to say about Christianity and his whole motivation with making this the kind of Christian deconstruction podcast. It's pretty interesting. So let's watch it and then I'll respond. We don't tell these stories so that people will stop being Christians. Like that's not the motivation. I will say that my motivation is that people will remove themselves from harmful belief systems.  I just don't want you to believe in a harmful belief system. There's some trickery going on there. There's some weaseliness going on at the end there. I'll talk about that in a second. But I want to talk more about, you know what? Have Rhett and Link led all these people astray? Are these these terrible guys that how could they do this? They talked about their questions about Christianity, how they left, and now all these people are leaving the faith. Oh no, what's going on? This is my take on it. I would rather somebody come to recognize their own unbelief than fooling themselves into thinking they are a Christian. I'd rather have somebody have clarity about where they stand with God than deceiving themselves in thinking that they're in the camp when they're actually not. Those who left were never truly with us. In 1st John 2 19, it says, They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. So it's not that Rhett and Link are convincing all these true Christians to pack up their bags and deny the faith and all this kind of thing. It's like, no, you were never truly of the faith. You were never truly a sheep. And I would much rather you have clarity about that and come to terms with that so that people, Christians can come around you and say, Hey, look, here's what the true gospel is and call you to repentance and faith. That's way better than having somebody in a church that is unconverted. But everyone just assumes, oh man, they're heading to heaven. They don't really need any of our attention or help or witness or anything like that. And they're just kind of right out the rest of their days in church as a lukewarm person. That's not even a Christian because they haven't actually put their faith in God. And so I much prefer clarity than deception. Okay, so I want to go back to what Rhett said at the end there. He said, you know, it's not that we want people to stop being Christians. We want people to stop believing in harmful belief systems. And the reason that I kind of said that was a little bit weasley is because that some people will come at you very aggressively and make accusations against God and the Bible. God is evil. And you've seen that on this channel if you've been on here for a while. Atheists coming forward and say, he's an egotistical narcissist, murderer, all this stuff. And they're really antagonistic in their approach.   And I don't think that's very Christian of you. And so I think, you know, you might want to take a look at some of your beliefs and some of the things that the Bible says, because they're just kind of harmful. And I'm not saying that Rhett's the only one like this, of course not. This is just an example. This isn't an outright attack on Red or Link or anybody like that. I still watch those guys. I still watch their podcasts. I listen to the watch their shows sometimes. So it's not this kind of thing where I'm like hating on them or anything. It's just an example because a lot of other people do this too.  Like, how could that be? How could you believe something like that? And in responding, I want us to go deeper than just that surface level question. In them asking that question, they've determined their own kind of standard of morality. What is harmful? What is hateful? They've determined that and they put themselves as the judge and prosecutor of God and His Word. So it's not like they have some great foundational backing to say and make these accusations against God and His Word. It's just their opinion. And so we need to recognize that and say, okay, look, you know, you may think this is harmful and hateful, but I want to explain this for you from the Word of God. So I'm going to give you guys some practical examples of how to respond to some of these critiques of certain biblical positions. So one of these beliefs that I have heard to be called harmful to people is this idea that we are all broken and sinful people. Where do we get this? We get this from Romans 3.23, for all of sin and fallen short of the glory of God. This isn't the only place that you get that doctrine from. Of course, it's throughout the scriptures, but this is just one short example. People say that this is harmful because it hurts people's self-esteem and causes people to live in guilt and shame, which is not good. Here's the thing. Self-esteem has a lot to do with our identity, how we see ourselves. And that needs to be grounded on truth. It can't be grounded on a deception or a false sense of self or pride in ourselves. Like that is a big problem. People are like, I'm so cool. Self-love, like, you know what? I'm the best, that kind of thing. And it's like, well, is that based on truth or is that kind of manipulated, made-up identity that you've created for yourself? I want your personal identity to be based on truth. And the truth of the matter is that we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And this isn't some, you know, oh my goodness, that's just religious indoctrination. No, it's like we can actually know in our hearts that we've sinned because we do feel guilt and shame. And that's not just because cultural, religious indoctrination. No, it's because we've been given a conscience and we know right from wrong, right? God has laid His law on our heart. And so it's like, okay, well, a lot of that guilt and shame is justified. We have sinned. We have broken God's law. But then we look at Jesus and Jesus dies on the cross for our sin. For all the wrong things that we've done, He takes that on Himself. He takes our guilt and our shame on Himself, giving us a new identity in Him. When we are called children of God, and now we have an identity not based on deception or false sense of pride in ourselves, but now we have an identity based on who God says we are. A problem comes in when people continue to hold onto that guilt and shame, feeling like they need to work enough in order to gain God's love or gain His approval. But ultimately, we need to be looking back to God about what He says of us and then finding our identity and security and self-acceptance in knowing that God has already accepted us. Second belief that some non-Christians think is harmful is this idea that non-Christians are spiritually blind. In 1 Corinthians 2.14, it says this, the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to Him and He is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Now the thought here is because this is a Christian belief, Christians may feel better than non-Christians.  I see with these kind of spiritual eyes, I'm not spiritually blind like you are. I can process things better. I'm probably a better person too. I'm smarter as well. Like all these kind of things that, you know, some Christians do believe that stuff which is not good and it's not a proper outflowing of the gospel because when we understand the true heart of the gospel, that it is a free gift, that we are simply beggars showing other beggars where they can find living bread to quench their hunger. Like that's the amazing thing. We are no better than other people, than non-Christians. Ephesians 2, 8-9 says, For by grace you've been saved through faith and this is not of your own doing. It is a gift from God, not a result from works, so that no one may boast. So if a Christian is boasting because he's not spiritually blind, this is a direct contradiction to what God has called us to and that person needs to repent. Okay, so this is probably what they would consider one of the most harmful beliefs in Christianity is that God has a standard for sexual behavior. Genesis 2, 24 says, They would say that this is a hateful belief because it causes people to hate themselves for who they are and their identity. Here's the thing, everybody has a standard of what is proper sexual behavior. It's not that Christians are the only ones who have a standard. It's just other people's standards are different. Often they resolve, revolve a lot more around consent. Or they are, is everyone consenting in this? And as long as that happens between consenting adults as the phrase goes, it's all good, whatever. Christianity has a different standard and it is based on what God has called us to and how God has designed us. And this isn't just some arbitrary thing, it is God's best for us. And it's not about this idea of trying to single people out for their orientation or their own proclivities or their own tendencies because the Bible calls up people heterosexuals that look with lust as well. Like pornography, that is not acceptable at all. Sleeping with your girlfriend, yeah, it's all included there. So it's not this matter of singling out anybody, especially within the LGBTQ community. That's not the idea at all. God simply has a standard for proper sexual behavior, his best for us, and he's called us to hold to that. And though we may find identities in other things, whether that be different orientations or different lifestyles, God calls us to find a new identity in him. In 2 Corinthians 517, it says, therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has gone, behold, the new has come. Whatever you're finding your identity in, if it is something other than Christ, then God is calling us to give that over to him, to put that to death and find a new identity in him. Now, that doesn't mean that we're never gonna struggle with temptation. We may still be tempted to look at pornography or sleep around or whatever it may be, but it does mean that God has given us his power and his presence in our life to overcome the temptation and live for him. In 2 Peter 1 3, it says this, his divine power has granted us all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence. God has not left us out to dry here, people. God has given us everything that we need through his power and his presence to overcome the temptations of this world. And when we fall and when we fail, he looks us in the eyes and he welcomes us again to get up and follow him. It is not going to be easy, but it's better to understand the truth of the situation, to continue to walk with Christ, to understand that he is the only way to eternal life. And he is our life even here on earth, not just eternal life, but he is life right now for us. And that is so much better than dwelling in this kind of fake or kind of deceived identity that we think is going to fulfill us when it is not. At the end of the day, many non-Christians may still think that our beliefs are harmful or hateful. There's really nothing we can do about that. We are not the ones that are going to change their hearts. Only God can do that. But I want to encourage you in two ways. First thing, be a light through your words.  I know it's scary and I know it's a lot easier for me to sit in this studio and tell you that than it is for you to be on a college campus and actually vocalize what you believe and take in that pushback, that rejection. I know it is scary, but I'm with you and there's plenty of other Christians out there that are in that same boat that are trying to stand without compromise on what they believe in the Word of God. Because at the end of the day, if we're going to die on any hill, if we're going to hold to anything, it needs to be the Word of God. It needs to be the truth. And ultimately, Christ endured the cross on your behalf. I think it's well within our means to withstand a little bit of awkwardness and social rejection just to stand to continue to stand on the truth for Him. The second thing is be a light with your deeds. You say, love people, show it. In Matthew 5.16, it says, in the same way, let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. See, ultimately, that's what it means to be a daily disciple. Committing your life to live daily for Jesus through Word and Deed. And it's not about being perfect at all. That's not what it's about. It's not working hard enough in order to get God's approval. No, it's that we've already received God's approval and acceptance of us, not through our own doing, but because of Jesus' work on the cross, bringing us into right relationship with the Father so that we can now live out of love and joy and not of fear and obligation. And so now we live daily trying to reflect Christ through Word and Deed. And we're going to fail, but God, once again, is lovingly welcoming us to follow him again. I'd encourage you to pray for Rhett and Link and pray for the people that are watching their podcast. They're exploring some different kind of spiritual topics around Christianity and deconstruction. And I just hope that people are going to find the truth of who Jesus is and find a transformed and reconciled life to God. Thank you so much for watching. Once again, thank you to everyone on Patreon that makes this content possible. It's an amazing blessing over the last couple of months. So many people have joined and that's made it possible that I can continue to do what I'm doing, which is like, this is my favorite thing in the world. I love doing this. And I hope to do it full time one day and by you joining Patreon, you get me closer to that goal. So thank you so much. If you enjoyed this video, give a like down below and share it with a friend, because I think this is going to be a helpful thing for people, helpful resource for people. Thanks again for watching, guys, and I'll see you next time. God bless.


And for people listening, maybe who know nothing about water or who are debating getting into water filtration or what are some of the things that, you know, if you could just boil it down to three things, whether they're either myths that you want to debunk or some things that people should really pay attention to in their water source, I just want to share something with them that, you know, any novice can understand. There is a lot of misinformation out there. There are a lot of articles written by people that have no credentials, no background, no expertise whatsoever. You had kind of alluded to fluoride, for example.  And as someone who actually worked in the chemical weapons field, I can tell you unequivocally that that is not, that's just not true. The other kind of takeaway from this, and you alluded to this earlier as well, is the role of EPA. So there are contaminants, and like you said, the EPA sets a base level standard for what is considered safe and legal. By definition, municipalities say that their water is safe if it complies with the Safe Drinking Water Act. Now, there are a number of contaminants that are known carcinogens that are not regulated. So when a municipality says we're in, we're completely in compliance with all of EPA's regulations, a lot of times we counter with, well, you can't be out of compliance for something that's not regulated. So, you know, for example, like there hasn't, there's been hardly any contaminants added to the regulated list in the past 30 years, even though we've known of new things popping up. And, you know, sometimes the states take the initiative to protect against those things, other times they don't. So it's just a very complicated thing.  Yeah, I just go back to like Aaron Brockovich, right? So the movie, that whole thing is about Chromium 6. Chromium 6 is still not regulated. Despite a Hollywood blockbuster film with Julia Roberts, Chromium 6 is still not regulated by the EPA, period. So this is interesting. So in, do you think it will be at some point or no? Why do you think that is? Is it just impossible? Is it, are they basically just like, look, at this point, it's in everybody's water anyway. And so we're just going to be liable for lawsuits. Like, what's the thought process? So if EPA places a mandate on states and municipalities to make something regulate, to have a regulated contaminant, the states and the municipalities are on the hook for hitting that standard. Now think about the water usage in your home.  And it's totally fine to flush your toilet with it. You just don't want to put it in your mouth, right? Or like over long periods of time, you don't want to put it in your mouth. So there's really no driving force. Municipalities don't want tighter regulations because then they have to comply with them. And that means they have to go to their tax base and no politician of any, no elected official, no matter what political party they're in, no one wants to go to their tax base and say, we're raising your taxes. And honestly, it doesn't really make sense to like, you know, if you look at arsenic, for example, it's something we talked about earlier. EPA's regulated limit right now is 10 parts per billion for arsenic. Now on all of their disclosures, they say that that standard is established by balancing the cost to remove it, I mean, is pull level with the health impacts. So it's a balancing act, right? Now, we would argue that you should have a different standard for the water that goes into your mouth than the water that you flushed down your toilet. I don't think that's too profound. But the way that the EPA is written right now is every drop that enters the home that's on a municipal tap needs to hit a certain standard. So you can either make it a bar that no one can achieve, or you make it, you know, you balance the cost versus the risk. And that's what EPA does. That makes a lot of sense. And it's also unfortunate, but at least I can understand the logic I was looking at to go back to the LA water right now in LA, the, I think it's 1.1 parts per billion of chromium six presently. And so it's like, Oh, it's like, they literally tell you they show you here it is it's there just to go to the other side of that. So if the EPA isn't going to do anything and companies like you are helping, is there any science to suggest any level of chromium six or a particular level of chromium six is not ideal for the human being? We're not in the business of scaring people and trying to like make them scare to their water. That's not what we do at all. But what I will say is the state of California did this giant cancer risk assessment for contaminants entering the water. One of the contaminants that they evaluated was chromium six. Now you mentioned that LA, I think the number you said was one part per billion thereabouts, which is 1000 parts per trillion, correct? So when the state of California went in and looked at what level of chromium six has a negligible impact on cancer, they came back with 20 parts per trillion for that number. Now again, like their standard for the cancer study was negligible impact, which 20 parts per trillion is just not economically attainable for a municipality like LA for every drop of water that they produce. What we argue a hydrovieve is the water that goes in your mouth should be as close to those like cancer risk studies as possible. You can prioritize that water. Wow. I mean, that's powerful. I mean, that's for sure powerful. Again, we just want to reiterate, we're not trying to get people scared of their water here. And these are things that, you know, when they looked at these toxicological studies, you know, they, they looked at really long-term impacts and things like that. So it's kind of chronic, like it, it's not like if you drink it, you're going to get cancer. It increases your risk if you do it over a long period of time. You know, again, we're not trying to get people to be scared of drinking their water. I mean, that's just, that's not the business we're in. Other companies do that we do not. Hey everyone, thanks for checking out that clip. If you enjoyed it, be sure to hit the like button down below. And if you're interested in hearing the full episode, it's out right now on our YouTube channel. We've had a lot of great guests come on this show before and we've got a lot of great guests coming up in the future. So hit subscribe so that you don't miss a single episode. In one final note, we're always looking for new ideas and new companies to feature on the show. So if you know of someone or know of a company, write us a comment down below letting us know who they are and what they do. We'd be happy to have them on the show. Until then, I'll just be here waiting for your comments. So, uh, see you later.


What's up everybody Jason here for jazby's case breaks calm happy new release day guys just released today 2021-22 panini elite basketball Six box break Pikachu's number five And again guys all cars ship. This is a box breaking has two autographs eight inserts eight parallels two base cards And again, this is from the new draft class from this past season or this current season. I should say I know it's a little bit late Forgetting some new 22 products 21 22 products, but we got it and just remember guys This is Pikachu number five if you go to our website Pikachu number one and two are tied into a team filler Which is down to seven so should be breaking a little bit later, of course three and four are at nine and fourteen left But we have some customers just buy out number five. So we're skipping all the way to number five So five and six are from a sealed case One and two are from a sealed case three and four from a sealed case So that's what we're doing here guys. All right, and then dusty really made it happen guys dusty got like the last maybe 12 teams or so Got a lot of teams in the beginning as well, but last one module Celtics. So there you go again. This is Pikachu number five Skipping up to number five. Here we go And I also put YouTube five and six case so the case will be using here Strandably grab one and again guys if you guys want to run back number six the second half of course I mean, it's not tied into any team random a random number block. So we could technically do it You know six on the left six on the right We'll see which six boxes we'll use here little dice roll two one two three, so let me Write down in these boxes. This is for number six Big six right there. That way we all know that Hopefully we can run back number six later. I mean We've been pretty nice Here we go guys So again, this is a elite basketball The cards look pretty sharp so far just by from a glance. I like when That's like they kind of chrome background like that Foil background. All right. This first LeBron cards with number six on it. I feel like it is right Yeah, Josh. I'll update it in the in the Show notes. I was just a little busy with some other stuff around here, but we need to do a couple of those Josh We've only sold I think I think four or five spots straight up So I believe Nick was trying to do at least three of those fillers But again when I get my when I get the time I'll let you know, but yeah, it's it's not just one. It'll be a few It'll be a couple very nice. I think our primary colors Or it's not numbered, but it just So it looks like the base is gonna just be these these cards right here Kate Cunningham already look at that to 999.  So Still gonna be something nice. Oh, this kind of looks like a PMG. Doesn't it a little bit of PMG colors We skipped to number five so we haven't sold out any other picker team yet Number five sold out. So we're doing break five Everything else is still either spots away or in a team random filler spellbound Yeah, number one is tied into a team filler. If you look on the website, it's right in front of it And you'll see it right there, man So we haven't done number one number two number three number four or number six someone just bought out number five Pretty much to sell it out. So that's what we had to skip to five Demontus of bonus little die cut chris paul West camp for the spurs to 99. No problem, man. It's all good I'm just saying there's nothing else is sold out. So we we're doing this first. Oh, I really like these orange cards I hope there's different colors and they're numbered They kind of remind me of some PMGs for a little bit So the good thing is that we shouldn't be missing too much. Most of the base are just normal base veterans And it looks like the they'll be colored eventually if they are numbered So we're missing too much Collins Sexton There's a little mellows that's a second year the mellow now not not rookie anymore and Jeff Malone for the Washington Bullets Impact impressions All right, so we do our redemption which should potentially be the rookie We'll find out right now The cards look sharp actually guys. They look really good penthouse car number 36 Scotty Barnes, there we go Very nice. That's not a bad one right there Raptors who has the Raptors Jeffrey All right, there you go. So that was the first box. Good little glance at it I really do love these these cards are here.  I really like this Donner's elite and I think it's a great price guys great price So you guys are interested in any personals Teddy's live right now. Teddy's back on instagram and he's live right now Ribbon personal boxes of this and mac of the soccer and of course, whatever else we have on our website Jasps dot com kind of which they made elite football like this I don't remember elite football being like this sharp But I guess this is a new year 21 22, so Maybe they'll change it for next year's elite basketball football I know they saw the spellbound, but I don't remember the base being like this. This could be wrong Maybe I just didn't notice it. All right, let's go to the next box guys. Good luck So we can kind of skim through the base Since they won't be numbered I'll pull up the lebron though. I feel like since it's number six should be Corey kesper rookie yearbook autographs for the washington wizards went to dusty That's really nice Malik bridges or my cal bridges started and we have a luka donch that art of sport is a hit draft, right? That's not a personal thing. I believe so. Yeah, it should be should be hit draft should be like four spots, too Okay Is it 115 a box or 115? david johnson miles bridges dorian finney smith the book kd And thomas bryant Impact impressions. It's your second autograph spellbound zion We got a tonighty nine denis schroeder Spellbound steve curry So it looks like orange must be the most common color. It's like the one in every pack probably every other pack But they look really sharp though Davis I'm gonna snap a picture of one of these really quick though halfway through guys after this box just box number three Now that those boxes are leaf art of sport Um Don't know maybe ask evan if it did come into that. He should know We are the sport. Yeah It's up top.  You see have you opened these? Which one the elite?  We're like I'll try to show you later So this is basically there's ten boxes in here. So it's A hit draft is one box right out. Yeah, it should be it should be four spots, right? Yeah. Yeah to hit draft Sorry, my mom called me. She told her to let me know when she got to vegas She was going with my brother in law and my niece. She has a volleyball tournament But she just texted she called me so I figured out his answer really quick All right, let's keep it going Ben Wallace Look at that Turn of the century and that is not numbered Oh, it is it's over here 8 out of 25 Ben Wallace Patrick Beverly to 99 Lamello Small bell and we have scottie lewis The charlotte hornets tonight at 9 under a drummin buddy healed for the kings glass cleaners Yeah, it's onto the combo And jayden springer rookie yearbook autographs numbered Oh purple Russell russell westbrook to 49 I really do love these cards, man I think the colors look great. We need to get like a giddy and orange and blue Kevin Durant You have trey murphy for the pelicans Dennis Schroeder Kenyan barn jr There you go All right, let's go the second half guys Let's keep it going James Hardin. Whoa Like a 3d. That's awesome dimensions Very nice looking card. I don't know if those are case hits or what we have to learn that but very nice looking card chris paul And another kade cunning Michael porter jr impact impressions Shea gilders alexander. There's an awesome suite Ben Simmons to 49 Franz Wagner to 210 We're about to pull fire Brody, what's up, buddy? They easily brandon ingrown Curry spellbound Down in the bio.  All right, something while it's happening out there on pch Here's the verts and there we go Um Maybe in a few days brody. I think with all the new releases today I think that's why we took them off yesterday after the first two sold Because you know, obviously we want to try to get some of the new stuff out But yeah, I mean we haven't available for personals the same thing, you know, so you can always get them over there All right rookie yearbook autographs card number 20 Usman Garuba, which I do not know who that goes to but let's look it up Houston rockets That's one. All right two more boxes guys. So I think I might be off a little bit on the time But at least we get a sense of how long these takes. We should take about like 30 40 minutes. I'm at the 28 mark right now, so Figure like 40 Gotcha. Yeah, man. So yeah, I mean you can hold on to that for something else. You know, I mean obviously It's not like you'll never buy here again So maybe you go hold on to that for when we post up And in your like football products and you can always use it for like You know, the Atlanta Falcons or something like that but Yeah, I don't think so for at least the next couple days Arnaz Gilmore This first Here's the verts and pool That is Santi Aldama Number two to ten Spalba and LeBron Hornets the middle ball Victor Lodivo Josh Christopher rookie yearbook for the Houston Rockets Get in the door open when you come West camp. All right, is it just me or are we like Some of these boxes have only had one autograph I know it says on average So it does save themselves like that, but this box literally only had artist Gilmore, right? I feel like that's like the second box already Or was it Josh Christopher the second autograph? Oh, I guess it was that's right But I could have sworn we're definitely missing an autograph from earlier though. I got it already I'm just making sure let me see. I know for sure. We had a one that was didn't have an autograph There's one box There's two There's three There's four Yeah, we're missing one Or maybe not actually Two fours Oh, maybe not then actually, huh? Maybe it just feels like that. Sorry I was just like what the hell But I guess when the autograph comes out so fast in the beginning, I feel like it's a missed autograph And these are not autographs there. All right, cool. Well, then that's good then Impact impressions So there's one autograph Colin Sexton Doug McDermott That is Charles Bassie the 210 LeBron Spellbound Ogie on a nobie Trey young 39 out of 99 And oh really close rookie yearbook. That is Isaiah livers So no Cade in this first half. I think the pistons are still available on number six Or I guess I shouldn't say that yet. You never know. It could be in the second autograph Oh, wait, this is the second autograph. Sorry. Yeah, no, no, no Cade Maybe a number card Oh Grab brown Bogdan CP3 Charis LeVeur, I'm sorry not Charis LeVein Jason Tatum Mason Brown And there we go Alrighty guys, so again, this was Pikachu number five number six is on the website It was in single digits the last time I checked Like I said, that is not tied on to any team random only Pikachu number one and two were so Let's definitely try to get number one and two done though since it is part of a team round last time I checked it was at seven So if we get that done we can put that to the schedule We'll do that a little bit later tonight So I think we're gonna be busy though guys, you know, we have five star coming up I have about six orders to go through If the mixer filler sold out, we're gonna have the mixer to the website right now Immaculate's probably should sell out at least one of those today Soccer so We'll be pretty busy Be pretty busy tonight. So right now in a few minutes. We'll start us five star baseball Um, and then it looks like we have five left on the team random Uh Yep fillers there fillers there Five left now on the mixer. So we should probably add that to the schedule right now And then soccer's down to three. So first to fill first of all guys appreciate it. Jasper's case breaks.com


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Hi guys, my name is Puneet. I'm from Oryktach, a company that my wife, Indu, is sitting there and I founded about a year and a half ago. Right now, I'm going to show you a demo of a game that we are working on, about four or five months old, and I'm going to show you a video clip right now. But just for the show of hands, how many people enjoy football here? That's quite a few. How many people know about freestyle football? I mean, all the juggling tricks that people do. Have you seen the videos? Do the sound, do the look easy? They don't look easy. I have tried it while developing the app and I tell you I have not managed to do it more than once. I have kicked it, kicked the ball once, I have not managed to kick it twice. But what we are going to do now is I'm going to show you a game that can help you do it with just swiping it across the screen on your Android tablet or phones. So I'll show you a short video. Yeah, that would be great. This was a video that I made about a month ago. It's come a long way since then. But this is something I will just made in Unity. I don't know how many people have worked in Unity before. I came across about eight months ago and I just wonder why I didn't come across Unity earlier. It's just so easy to make any game in Unity. I'll show you a live demo of the game right now and I'll show you why Unity is so great with it. So earlier in the video, you saw another character that was there juggling the ball. And this is another 3D model that takes about, in Unity, if you use the mechanism system, it takes about 15 minutes to just drop in a character and start playing with a different character. Just change the character and it's there. So I can do any animation that I did on anything, any other character, and take it from there and apply it to a different character. So if I go back and switch to, let's see, it's still buggy. I'll leave that for now. But if you want to play around with Unity or you have worked with Unity and want to talk to me about Unity, we can do it in a question-and-sense or outside. But if you haven't explored, you're interested in games, I would say give it a try. The mechanism system is just great for making games. As a company, I would say we already touched, we started a year and a half ago and this is just a work in progress. We had another game published, Workloud Social. And if you had attended the conference by Google, I forgot the name, we received, it was ThingMobile, and our app, Workloud Social, received the best app in user engagement categories. So if you want to check it out, check that out as well. And if you're a game developer interested in Unity, come talk to me, ask me a question. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'll try my best to answer those. Thank you, Puneet.


From San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering Samsung Developer Conference 2017. Brought to you by Samsung. Okay, welcome back everyone. Live here in San Francisco, Moscone West is the Samsung Developer Conference 2017. Hashtag SDC 2017. I'm John Furrier, co-host of theCUBE, co-founder of SiliconANGLE Media. My next guest is Hillary Carlson, senior software engineer at Uber. Great to have you on. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you for having me. Great to have a female engineer for Uber, pun intended. And also seriously, thanks for coming on, appreciate it. Oh, my pleasure. Love talking tech here. Samsung obviously is huge with Android. That's what you do. What do you do at Uber? Let's get that on the table. What's your role at Uber as an engineer? I'm an Android engineer. I work on UberEats, which is our food delivery product. I've been at Uber for about three years now. And so I've gotten to see UberEats grow from just a tiny operations experiment in LA. All the way up to being in over 120 cities and having its own app. Uber's got that great culture of trying new things, love the iteration, and our family uses the competitor, DoorDash, so I can't wait for UberEats to come to Palo Alto. Is it in Palo Alto yet? Yeah, it is. I'll have to try it out. Give me a discount. Can you send me a little discount code? Yeah, I can definitely send you a discount code. Good, got that out of the way. Got my free phone here from Samsung as well. Thank you, Samsung, for the free phone. So let's talk about Samsung. Obviously, this is developer conference. You're on the front lines, building the app on the Android side. Google was on stage yesterday, so there it is. It's all out there. Samsung innovating with the handset. Great reviews on the new eight. Great screen. This is an Apple-esque going on here. They're there. They got an IoT strategy, so they're bringing together lifestyle. Yeah. Okay, this is the new user experience. Okay, so is Android going up? They got Fixpeak. What's your experience with Android and developing the environment? Well, I've been developing an Android for like four or five years now, and it's wonderful. It's open. It enables you to actually go and build using more of the APIs and having more ability to connect into the phone itself. To be honest, I love it. It's one of those where you actually get to take your ideas and ship it out to a much broader range of people and build things that are still very, very beautiful and very usable to people. I was talking with Sam Ramche, who's heading up Cloud Product Management at Google, as well as the developer programs across Google. And we were talking at VMworld and other conferences, more cloud-oriented, talking about the user experience. And Google is hyper-focused on building open-source libraries. So from Google's going to be contributing all this goodness. You got the TensorFlow. You got all these innovations going on at Google. That's translating to the edge of the network. You're seeing that with Samsung. Obviously the devices are great. You got TVs that they're known for that. But the connecting the smart things is really their strategy. As a developer, how do you look at that landscape? Because you're looking at now tons of open-source goodness coming in from Google and then the communities. Android leveling up on capability and with the open APIs. Where do you try to navigate? How do you extract the signal from the noise in the community? Well, basically, you look for whatever libraries actually are used very heavily by people that have latest commits. If it comes from something like from Google or from other really strong, repeated open-source players like Square, you'll end up seeing adoption of that a lot more. When you then go into Internet of Things, it becomes also like a where, how you sort of see the community, the chicken and the egg thing of like, okay, is this the best opportunity to go for right now? Is the community there? Can I monetize this? And how do you integrate it? Yeah, I mean, that's the big question. What's the integration vetting? Okay, so let me ask you a question on the Android. In your opinion, Android, Apple, iOS, leveled up in terms of capability? Pretty much, yeah. What's the difference between iOS and Android? Do you need to explain to someone who's knocking on the door of both developer communities? Well, basically, it's a, I would go for who you're trying to go for first. Like, are you trying to target US and trying to target that sort of like, higher end of consumer, or are you trying to like have a mass appeal? For a lot of small startups, I'd actually say go iOS first, it makes sense. But when you want to bring it to the global market, that's when you really, really, really need Android. When you want to bring it to places around the world where there are more androids than iOS, that's definitely something that like, just needs that core experience. Is there anything that Android has that's, because it seems to me that Android has a lot more unique opportunities to customize? Yes. And I think that seems to appeal to developers. When I look at our data, that we look at our audience, we have, you know, I'll see the general purpose, I call it general purpose with Apple, because Apple's like fine jewelry, you know, okay? I want to have the high end suits and the high end code, whatever. But you don't have the flexibility because it's kind of a walled garden from a developer standpoint. You got the open garden with the Android. That community, they start playing more in open source, you're seeing blockchain, you're seeing all these kind of cool communities. What are some of the things that Android offers in this open approach that you like? Is there things that jump out at you? What is it? Well, a lot of it's the ability, the ability then to get customized, to have better security controls, to have widgets on your home screen, to even like from the developer standpoint, to have more flexibility about when you, when you ask for permissions versus when you don't. And then also the richness of the notifications, we've had that for a while in Android. It's like you've been able to do actions and have things animate and keep like progress bars on there for quite some time and iOS is finally catching up to that. And you're happy with Android? Oh, very much so. All right, so what's your take on the show here at Samsung? What's your vibe on the show, feeling? They got some good stuff. What do they need to work on things? Positive, give me the positive review and then give me the critical, what they can do better. Yeah, I think actually bringing everything together in a connected crowd, really, cloud makes a lot of sense. You don't, developers don't really like fragmented APIs. If you have to actually go talk to like five or six different services to get something done, that's a lot more effort and a lot more overhead of understanding of how to connect to each one. And so bringing it all together in one place, especially if that can have the overhead of, handle the overhead of making it secure and doing data storage and all that stuff, makes a lot of sense. Hilary, final question for you, personal question, put you on the spot here. What's the coolest thing you built this past couple of years that you've coded could be anything? What's the coolest thing that you feel? Personally? Yeah. All right, so I guess it was a year and a half now. There were a team of four of us who built the new Android Eats app and built it from scratch in about three and a half months and it was a team that was magical that never happens in Silicon Valley. It was three women and a Latino dude and we shipped it. No way. Yeah. Three months, three and a half months. Three and a half months, starting in September, like shipping in early January. And we're talking on the drawing board, on the design. Yeah, like literally start to end, like first line of code in like early September, end of code writing, like wrapping and shipping it up right before Christmas. That's the new format. Three women and a Latino dude, congratulations. Anything you'd like to share with the audience about just the development scene here, what you're thinking about, what you're passionate about? I just, I really, really loved the piece of using technology to build more human connection, better humanity. I thought that was amazing. That piece was really inspiring to me. This is the new lifestyle tech is coming to consumerization, blending analog and digital together. This is the new normal from fashion tech to Uber Eats, congratulations. Thanks for coming on theCUBE, Hillary Carlson. Senior software engineer at Uber. This is theCUBE's live coverage of Samsung Developer Conference 2017 in San Francisco. I'm John Furrier. We'll be back with more after this short break.


You've spoken about a lot of topics with the current state of affairs with India, from international affairs to economics to voting rights, and I was curious, what would you prioritize in terms of policy proposals when you become prime minister? I would move from just a growth-centric idea to a job-centric idea. I would say we need growth, but we're going to do everything to push production and job creation and value addition. Currently, if you look at our growth, the type of relationship there should be between our growth and job creation, between value addition, between production is not there. The Chinese lead value addition, Nick would disagree with me, but the Chinese lead value addition, I mean, I've never met a Chinese leader who says to me he's got job creation problem. I've never met a guy. This is astounding to me because this is the only problem we deal with. So we have to get on that bandwagon. Also, we have to protect in a country like India, the minimums. So you have to put floors under people. You cannot say to people in an urban environment that, listen, we're not going to give you hospitals.  So a minimum floor and then moving the country with one forcefully saying, okay, this is a serious challenge now, like the United States is sort of moving towards. What I like about Mr. Biden's plan is that they clearly recognize the problem, that they've understood that now there's a problem. That penny hasn't dropped in India. India is still fooling around and dilly-dallying and messing about and killing people and doing all sorts of stuff that is not central to this thing. So I would say go to our people and say, okay, now next 15, 20 years, serious value addition, serious job creation. I'm not interested in 9% economic growth if I don't see job numbers right next to it. If you give me 9% economic growth and say, oh, we don't have jobs. Well, sorry, I don't like that. That doesn't work for me. So that would be the thrust of it. But putting it into a mission mode, right? Like what John F. Kennedy did, we got to go to the moon. And then the whole nation is we got to go to the moon. So that's where we got to go. And I think there will be different variations of it in the United States and in India. But both those pennies have to drop together.


Let's go to get a sip of water. We don't need an intro. You already know what it's about to happen. Warning, before we get into this, we will be talking about a bunch of serious topics while talking about euphoria because euphoria contains a bunch of serious topics, addiction, abuse, assault, and much more. Those are just a few. So look up what euphoria contains and decide for your own. Viewer discretion is advised. Please be safe.  So without further ado, let's get started.   They make every kid scene in euphoria have like zero lines. Like, all the kids are mute. They always make the kids not say anything. It's just them nodding and listening. Nodding and listening. That's every single kid scene backstory.  Cracker with a bone cut. Yes, coconut head. If you think about it, euphoria is just, it's just Ned's classified school survivor guide but with cocaine. It's not much of a difference.    Yeah, you tell her, honestly.  The whole beginning of the episode is the entire movie of Zola and I'm not kidding. Oh Stephanie, look at me, look at me.  Go check out Zola.  And Zola is just the gasification of uncut gems. So where are we now? What are we doing? 824, we've lost the plot because all of your stuff is turning into the same thing. It's how easy that was.  Okay, this episode was out for about two weeks before I'm watching it right now. People were complaining a lot about this scene and how, oh, why isn't Zendaya the only one that doesn't get naked on euphoria? And like, that was the scene they wanted to see her naked in. That's the scene. That's the scene. That's very, very, very telling of your character. It's very telling of your character and I don't trust you. So yeah. How many female drug dealers do you know? She's gonna become a good drug dealer. Oh, oh, what is that? What were you fighting about? She was drinking while I was driving. How long ago was this? Like an hour and a half. Did you call her? She's not answering. She always answers. Wait, wait. So let's just say this. You got in a screaming match with your sister and then in the middle of the road and you just left her. In the middle of the road, no way. In whatever town this is, euphoria, high school, like the stuff that goes down in this town just is not the place to leave your sister stranded. Dude, best fucking, okay. I can't say this while the song is playing. Otherwise we'll get copyrighted. But Nate's theme song. He's an evil, evil man. Evil, evil, sinister man and I don't trust him. But they gave him the best theme song. They gave him the best theme song. It makes me want to punch a wall, which is fitting, it's very fitting, but it's the best theme song. Like it makes me want to go crazy.  I wish Joey King was on. I wish Joey King was on euphoria. Play, play, put the money on it. What's up Cassie? Uh-oh. Ew, that was actually so sinister.  They are.  Like he just does not listen to this type of music. Like his character sets him up to listen to like logic. Why do they say logic? I don't want to be alive. He is so scary. It's kind of giving Edward Cullen. Oh.   To flash him?  Decapitation scene is coming soon. Euphoria is just other A24 movies in a show because that was a hereditary scene. She was about to be decapitated. Damn, she's so fine. Maddie is actually so pretty. I don't know, she just has a very great walk. Like it's steady. I don't know if that's just how Alexa walks or if that's how she walks as Maddie, but it's very sturdy. It's very confident. Even in her moments of last season where she was truly at her worst, she was still walking like with purpose. And I like that because we see other characters. Rue has a much more sloth like walk, which is not to offend. That's just the type of walk she has. It's hunched over. It's very slow. It's more arm movements. Jules has a much more like dainty walk where it's like kind of shoulders, but not back, but her hands are kind of like at her side and they stay by her side. I love Maddie's walk. It's one of my favorite things about her character because it never changes or wavers throughout the show. Damn, ew, oh my God, ew. Ew, ew. Maddie? They both look incredibly terrified of her. Like they both look so scared of her right now. Put your clothes on. God, why did she say like? She my best friend. I love Cindy Sweeney. She's like literally my angel, but I just thought that delivery was very funny. I don't know, this whole interaction seems very funny to me. Like I'm not like having any other reaction other than laughs. Like I'm just having a fun time, ladies and gentlemen.  Duda boy. Nate's a little Duda boy. He's taking a big stinky Duda at the New Year's Eve party. Oh my God, Cassie, pull yourself together. Pull yourself together, come on girl. Untangle that, I know you're not that tangled and the way she said it, girl.   Like let's go, like I'm not even dated. I'm like, girl, pull yourself together.  This probably is the most, this is probably the funniest scene to ever happen in euphoria. Don't shoot me, look at her. Sorry. I don't know what just came out of me, but it was just, don't. Nate literally shouldn't be allowed to look at anyone. I like how she's like, ew, but it's like, you kind of deserve that.   Elliot, you're distracting me. You're distracting me because you're taking care of her and it's kind of making me attracted to you. I thought he got kicked off the show.  I called you like 500 times. If I was Cassie, I'd be like, yeah, you literally left me in the middle of the road. Of course I didn't pick up your phone.  Are you shy?  Why do they talk like this? I don't know why they talk like this, but they don't talk like real people. Why is he acting like that? Stop. Why? Oh my God. Ah. He said belly. Sorry. Like when did you relapse? Then how you left? I see a lot of people hating on Jules and like because that she left her at the train station because she was not fully committed to Rue. And the reasons why are very honest. The reasons why she's not are pretty much thrown right in your face. Like they're not very hard to tell. Like if you're just like, I don't know.  Like they walk you through why she left Rue.  Like they're holding your hand basically and people still are like, I don't know.  But like obviously she's in love with her. Obviously she loves Rue. There's laggers to this and there's reasons why people do things. And basically all of Euphoria is reasons why people do things. It's very much obvious. They very much do a lot of obvious storytelling. And I personally love the push and pull they do with Jules' character that back and forth of I truly, truly care about this person but I also don't want a codependent relationship. The first conversation they have since that night being when did you last relapse? The night you left is all the more reason you need to know and understand Jules' character.  The coloring is insane. Dude, the transitions are insane on this scene. It's not just fade to black babes. It's a full silhouette change. Okay, okay, you got me. You got me good. They are, I don't know, that was just a very emotional scene and I love the way it was done. Actually the best part of the episode.  Oh my God. I like how that many people couldn't stop Fuzz either.   There's no saving that. There's no saving that face. That's a broken nose. That's a broken cheekbone. That's a broken jaw. Some teeth are lost. In love with what?   That really does look amazing. Like it looks very satisfying. In tears, girl. Cassie, how are you already in tears? You don't know this man. And he looks ugly. Oh my God, look at the way. Oh my goodness, she's stumbling and mumbling. The walk. I already said the walk, guys. I already said the walk and here we are. Guys, guys, we've lost the plot. We've literally lost the entire plot of the show. What? You could not. You could not do better than your dad. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you could not do better.  Out of everything, why do I have to see that? There's like a lot of things that don't need to be shown. Euphoria. Whatever is going on with Nate's character, I'm just, I'm over it. Like I'm, it's only the second episode and I'm already over it. What's sad is that I think this is gonna be the Nate season and it's all gonna be about Nate.   And enough with the fantasizing about a baby.  Euphoria would have nothing if not for slow motion. Like they literally wouldn't. They would not have a show if slow motion didn't exist.   Maddie definitely knows. Maddie was her best friend. Knowing everything about Maddie that we've learned through the past season, she knows. And it's not like Cassie is very good at hiding anything. Girl, we can read your face like an open book. She's just like me. I can't lie and neither can she.  She's gonna steal the house. She's perfect. She's actually just a perfect human being. I'm sorry. It was fun. Who's the milf? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Who is it? Who is this milf? I literally forget that he has a wife.   But I never thought that Jules was like clingy or jealous.  It is a big deal. I didn't think Jules would be clingy or jealous. Girl, the whole last season, the whole last season, you were literally shaking, crying, screaming and throwing up over Jules. Like I just, Rue was kind of wrong for that. Narration Rue was kind of wrong for saying that. Cause that just doesn't make any sense. That's like not clingy or jealous actually.  With everyone in fact.     Uh-oh. Let's not talk about decisions. We can't talk about decisions, Conquences. Like see, I thought about that a lot. We cannot talk about decisions and Conquences. I don't like it that they make Cassius niche but it fits perfectly with her personality. It makes sense. I'm so sorry. How could Fesco be so kind to her and so violent towards Nate?  A couple of days after Cal came over, she decided to say something. Okay, she's having a reputation arc. Reputation arc. Turn off that baby bridges and turn on the hyper pop, babes. No more being passive, I'm killing you. No more being passive, I'm killing you. I hate to say it, I do but Elliot's play seems kind of like a vibe. Like it kind of seems fun. This is the part where I do think Euphoria glamorizes drugs because that looks very fun. Don't do drugs but like, damn, that looks like a vibe. How does Jules not know that you're doing drugs? Oh, cause I'm good at my job. I think we can tell. Do you think it's a good thing that we're doing drugs? I think we can just very much tell. I don't know why.  You know when you say you have like self-critic thoughts? This is like the self-compassion thoughts that are actually just as terrifying as the self-critic thoughts. Sometimes compassion can be just as violent as violence. Come on Cassie, let's get it together. Let's get it together. Where are we going? Let's get it together, I can't defend you for this long. Last time we were at the bowling alley it was a Maddie and Nate date, which is like aah. And now look at these sexy ladies and Ethan. I really like you. But two can only keep a secret if one of them is dead. So I think you have to die so I can keep my secret. Lexie Howard, how you doing? Someone got dolled up for someone. Are you guys? Yeah, no, she's just staying with me for a bit, but she's cool though. What brings you out here anyway? Ah! You're not gonna do miscommunication. You are literally doing miscommunication show with Lexie and Fez. That's so dumb. You should have clarified Fez. That's like literally so easy.  That's so scary.  That's so scary. I just think this is so funny, like them hooking up this season because like they just like did not have one scene last season. I just think that's so funny. They went from not having any scenes to just being like fully nude together. Good for them. Dude, Astray, if Astray is gonna do anything it's be locked and loaded. He's not taking any chances. No chances, always prepared. And I kind of love that. Not a lot of words spoken, but a lot done in his actions. I wish you could see yourself the way the rest of the world does. We're doing big things with this friendship. I can already tell guys, I can already tell we're doing big things with this friendship. Only a few lines exchanged, but I don't know why, but I feel like Jules is gonna give advice to Maddie that she's very much needed because Jules has seen like so much ugly from Nate. As has Maddie, but I feel like Jules will be able to verbal, like I feel like she'll be able to articulate it away that will make Maddie understand because other people haven't experienced it. So I feel like Jules will have a better way of telling that to Maddie, which she already did with that one sentence. Picking up what I'm putting down. So maybe I was sticking up for you. Well, such a lovely father-son duo where they really do stand up for each other. Do you have it?   I just like don't have anything to say about that. Like why would I have anything to say about that?


Hello and welcome to the leaders room. I'm Keith Sweetman of Iklif and I have with me today Charles lead beater He's the author of we think he's also an advisor an innovator and an author of other books I know you have a new one coming up coming out shortly the frugal innovator which comes out in April May 2014 fantastic the frugal innovator in innovator coming out next month. Thank you Charles and thank you for joining us As you know, we are a leadership and governance center here And so I'd love to have just a short conversation with you that talks about your work in the context of leadership So first of all, could you give us an idea? What do you mean by we think what are you talking about when you say mass innovation? Not mass production Well, I suppose what I mean is that with technology combined with new values People can be organized in ways without having an organization in a traditional way So people can now come together and achieve things through networks and Communities using technology that previously they would have needed a very large organization with a hierarchy and a bureaucracy to achieve And so this is opening up entirely new possibilities new forms of organization and those new forms of organization Respond to quite different kinds of leadership. So whereas with a large bureaucratic organization, you might have had quite instructional leadership of an authoritarian kind Depended on its position if you're trying to lead a community of people with like interest But who are to some extent independent you need a leadership, which is about influence and about inspiration and about Effectiveness not about position Because we read things like Wikipedia and it all sounds like the crowd is always going to be smarter than any individual And that's the way it's presented But one of the things I saw in your book is that this notion of we think really needs a core And I guess what you're saying is that the leader provides that core Yeah, so none of these big collaborations or these big like Wikipedia or open source software even more Which is it is the kind of classic case I suppose just get going out of thin air someone has to put in some extra effort to get it going and start the Community and often those people whether it's the first traders on eBay or it's the first contributors to Wikipedia Form both the core and set the tone and the kind of values of the organization And you see this also in big scientific collaborations as well that the human genome was mapped by people who had collaborated on previous projects and those projects they set the sort of tone and the values which then led to the way that they collaborated so there's no such thing as a kind of Organization without any kind of structure or Relationships of power but in these communities they operate in a different way from a pyramid hierarchy Now you've used the word values three or four times so far in this conversation Can you talk more about what kind of values are you talking about? What's distinctive about the values that help to create these we think kind of well I suppose that their values one is The value of purpose so they're animated by purpose to make a better thing To provide a better outcome rather than animated by position or kind of where you stand in a hierarchy They're animated by values of contribution So respecting the contribution of other people and animated by the value of sharing that actually the more we share the more we create together so Some of these were inspired by looking at large scientific collaborations and the human genome is a very good example that that was mapped by a Global team most science now is done on an interdisciplinary basis globally with global researchers collaborating to get collaborating together those collaborations depend on people Sharing knowledge and what they found with the human genome was the more you share the more you get So there's this generative dynamic that sets in the more you put out there the more you get back It is and so one of the but what I think one of the things that's happening with More collaborative and open forms of innovation which is now coming about is that if you hoard things You don't get more value Exactly so you need to keep I draw this analogy that one of the best organizations Which I think embodies this philosophy is Barcelona football club and Barcelona football club the way that Barcelona play football The ball is always in motion. It's always been passed around No one ever hoards it and that's the way you've got to think you always got to be able to pass Because it's by keeping the ball in motion that you create more value if someone keeps control of it and says No, it's my ball. I must have it then everything breaks down Corporations you can think of exemplify this particularly well Well, I think there are more and more corporations who are trying to do things like this and you certainly see an organization like Pixar, which is both very Controlled and commercial but also within Pixar has a very very sort of egalitarian flat Feel to it and sort of community feel to it and of course emerging out of the internet You see more organizations which are working more rapidly with their consumers and communities of consumers around them whether that social media or games companies the games companies are have Sort of led the way I suppose in understanding they have to engage with their communities to get those communities to contribute to the game and the The game is really a platform for communities to build stuff around Rather than being a passive audience Companies organizations industries that you think do not lend themselves to this Well, what I say to companies is when I talk about this kind of stuff Is that it might be the case that your industry is immune that if you're in chemicals or consumer goods or Even in legal services It might be that your industry is immune to these things that actually in your industry It will remain closed and so on so forth But it's a big risk to assume that it will consumer goods because that strikes me as something Well, even in consumer goods Well for several reasons, I mean what is that every purchase we make now is accompanied by information by Some aspect of social media of comparison of feedback so on and so forth So there's nothing which is completely immune to that These organizations are employing people who have now been brought up with social media So the people you're leading will now be used to communicating laterally finding information out using the web so One way or another organizations will be affected either on the labor market side because the people they're employing have this culture Or on the demand side that more of their consumers will be used to the idea of being able to compare rate Have their voice heard make a suggestion give feedback Yeah, and so no organization can now think I'm not going to have a conversation with my consumers because the consumers will start having a Well, maybe but even there as we've seen actually, you know, you can Communities can form around all sorts of things. It's but it's dangerous for now for companies to assume That they don't need to be part of this conversation and that there's going to be no conversation going on another concept you talked about is the conditions that are needed for we think to succeed the leader of the Sort of the catalyst the crystal the core of this whole thing Anything more to say about the conditions? Well, I think there's a that we've been through a period where Companies for a time thought that all you needed to do was sort of open up and launch a wiki and so on so for that Actually, these things need careful tending. So You need to pose an interesting question You need to understand what will help people contribute why they'll contribute need to make it easy for them to contribute You need to find ways to connect people together in some way to sort of govern the community as well So it's not just a question of sort of giving people technology and then they start collaborating and finding things out You've got to nurture those environments and conditions and it's like Tending to a garden or something like that. You can't plan it But if you just let it go it might just end up being chaotic bunch of weeds a bunch of weeds You mentioned in your book that leadership in many places has become and here I quote Bonus driven performance management as opposed to true leadership Yeah, and so as I think about what you say and this garden that can be created That's going to be more free-flowing with multiple sources and more self-management and openness and conversation Yeah, communication all this stuff, but you've got these people who are you know an install base of leaders quote-unquote Who may not quite get yeah what this requires or if they get it? It might actually be really hard for them. Yeah to make the shift. Yeah, they've grown up in a completely different system They've been rewarded on a different basis Identity is doing what they do. Mmm. What have you encountered in your work around that and What recommendations or what do you do to help people? Make a shift. Maybe it's not as hard as I think what it's like No, I think it's really hard because I think that I think it's really hard because those behaviors are very ingrained and In many the big organizations that I deal with both public and private It's almost like there's a civil war going on the civil war between Leaders who kind of feel they should be leading and taking responsibility and taking action and giving direction and Employees who feel they should be doing jobs which have more discretion more scope for their own advancement and things like that And I think worldwide there is now a trend amongst younger people in their 20s and 30s who? regard authority if not with skepticism then certainly as something that needs to prove itself before it's legitimate and Your title doesn't matter so much as how you behave what your values are and what you do So I think there's this tremendous tension Where where do you find companies who've found a way around that or trying to adapt it? Well one very interesting company. I think is Unilever Led by a fantastic CEO Paul Ploman Paul Ploman runs a marathon for charity every year. He's got deeply held values of his own he talks openly about those values and He's very deliberate about trying to create a culture in which people take responsibility for their work their actions And in which the company is not just a way to make money It's a way to achieve some sort of social purpose So now they're talking about each Unilever brand being Identified with a social cause in some sense and taking the lead on issues about say water usage and what have you So I think that's an example of a very old traditional company, which is trying to reshape itself but he's a very experienced very thoughtful kind of Social business leader, but I think that he's the kind of person that we're going to need more of who can recognize that To create value you have to share value and you have to show that you're creating value for society As well as for your company for example to know if he faced much in the way of resistance or if as he You know gains the power and influence to be able to create the organization that he wanted to create if he encountered much In the way of skepticism in the organization with a much in the way of turnover or I think there was turn it Eager to sign up. Yeah, no I'm waiting for this man to take over. I think all of that actually. Yeah. Yeah, so I think there were lots of people waiting I think there's a huge pent up Kind of yearning in lots of companies for a sense of purpose and dynamism and and kind of optimism about Organizations, but I think there's a lot of inertia as well if not direct resistance inertia but I think the other thing that is also true that we shouldn't underestimate is that It won't all go according to plan that actually Persuading people to operate in these new ways, you know is quite difficult So I know for a fact that Unilever is you know trying to do some really in interesting and ambitious things about Creating new products which use less water. So FMCG and consumer goods companies soaps detergents They're associated with using lots of water. Well actually trying to get people to use less water is a very very difficult thing to do It's easier to sell detergent than it is to change behavior over water So, you know what that means what does it mean to be a company that's concerned with trying to change behavior for the better? That's a big undertaking so it's not to be underestimated but the benefits in the long run of a Leadership which says our job is to set some clear rules and some clear values and some sort of Objectives but to create the conditions in which other people make the best decisions and use their best talents That that's general shift was that kind of leadership is going to become much much more common I think you said something interesting now many things interesting just now But one in particular is in the long run and of course what mitigates against a Lot of corporate social responsibility Is the short-term long-term? Yeah, so how much patience have people had I don't know if Unilever is the right example but another example Did this has this affected their corporate profits? How is this being received by the outside world by the by the outside stakeholders? Yeah, the shareholders and other stakeholders who are interested in seeing Unilever succeed quarter to quarter to quarter Yeah, so I think that's an ongoing challenge that companies need to Feel that they can deliver to financial markets and to investors and to that kind of pressure as well as to these social Objectives have they been profitable Oh, yeah, no Unilever. Yeah, no, Unilever has been profitable There are lots of arguments about other cases But for instance Pepsi is in the middle of a very big attempt to do something similar particularly around water but in the long run, I just don't think there's a way that companies are going to be able to make money whilst trashing the environment and Renaming on social commitments to communities where they work that Yeah, and getting and particularly one of the things that I hear time and time again now is From what I was with a big financial institution in London Not one I expected to say this who said we now can't Employee people from university unless we can tell them they're going to have interesting jobs in which they'll be have the Opportunity to do something socially purposeful So we just can't compete to attract talent now unless we do more than give them jobs with money So that that actually very heartwarming. Well, it's heartwarming and it's something I've heard from many companies of all sorts of different kinds, but it suggests that the generation that they are now Recruiting is expecting something different and that that in addition one of the things that these young people are saying is that they'll Prepare to work for a while for a company But actually if it's not really interesting and it's not really doing something valuable They'll use that experience as a basis for then going off and starting something themselves So with we're dealing now with a generation that looks at its careers in a very different kind of way Are there any downsides of all this openness and sharing and communication that You've seen well, I don't I am a great Believer in it So I think that the way forward is for companies to be like this and that they're more that companies Create a sense that they are bringing people together in a shared purpose and they're doing that by sharing information sharing rewards Sharing responsibility. That's the way forward the downsides are is if you do it stupidly, I suppose and you just expect people to Be able to start doing it without any support or without any guidance without any structure or any purpose any rewards So it's very important for instance to work out what what motivates people to want to share. It's not money Usually it's recognition and it's the opportunity to do something useful So you can set the wrong incentives for these things or you can create the wrong conditions Or you can do you can say one thing and do another thing So there are all sorts of different ways in which companies will will will fall foul of it or get get it wrong And companies find it. I think really difficult. They they want to believe that they're like this but actually the tendencies to You go in the other direction help them to see themselves that has to be part of the role that you play when you consult You help or how do you help a leader to see himself or herself? Someone who thinks hey, I'm very empowering. I completely help my people to Manifest their own. Yeah, right in the meantime you talk to the people. They say my boss is a control freak. Yeah Well to see themselves Yeah, I mean there I suppose there are two things that happen to be realistic in those situations I'm just thinking about a company that I was with last week Where the message from the senior management is we want a socially responsible simple helpful Organization which is out, you know prime purposes to help consumers and help the communities that we serve If you listen to the senior middle management, they say we've got lots of rules hierarchy, you know We can't do anything with disempowered so on and so forth. Well, what what's the solution to that? Well, one is the feedback to the senior management that you you you've got to be honest about what you're trying to do You've got to live up to it and realize The the constraint walk the talk, but the other is that often there's more space in organizations than people realize that That one of the problems with putting constraints around themselves So I find the big problem with command and control in organizations is not that there's someone at the top commanding and controlling But actually that people think they're being commanded and controlled and the mindset imagine all sorts of yeah They they and part because they feel partly because of fear, but also because partly it makes them feel more comfortable as well Because I don't have to step up exactly that so they say I can't do it because there are so many rules and restrictions I'm helplessness is exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and so I think there's a lot of that And so I think there are a lot of people I'm thinking of say the banks in the UK We're you know the banks have behaved in a really socially reckless way in many ways they've made profits at the expense of the economy in society in many ways and Now a new generation of leaders is trying to change that But many of the people they're trying to lead are now very skeptical About the messages that they're being told and there is a sense of learned helplessness, which is I can't do it, you know I've actually heard that Interest in financial services in business schools has actually declined right as a result Any final words Well just that I think that this agenda about kind of shared leadership is is the way that things are going to go that Leaders in all sorts of life are only going to be lead only going to be able to lead through influence in future Fundamentally through their ability to influence other people and provide them with a sense of purpose and meaning and that's true in politics And it's also true in business. I wish we had more time. I really enjoyed speaking with you Charles lead lead be tar. Thank you very much for joining This is Kate sweetman and thank you for joining us in the leaders room. It's a wrap