to start off by saying something that is probably going to shock you. It's going to shock you, maybe even shock the people that I am addressing. And I want to say this to Alexander Bagani. I want to say this to Isaiah Saldivar, Mike Signarelli, Vlad Savchak. As a matter of fact, even some of those that are kind of on the periphery, those that are associated with them as well. Let me just say this and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. I love you. I really do. I'm rooting for you. I am wanting the best for you. However, that does not negate the fact that I disagree. And I think sometimes that people don't understand what it is that we're doing. I think that many people don't understand what exactly the assignment is. There's a reason why I say that because some people get bothered when you don't agree with it. Some people get bothered when you think differently than what they think, how they think, how they feel. Some people do. And so I want you all to hear my heart as I agree and as I also disagree. Now, the reason why I'm even bringing this up is because I think about three days ago. I think it was three days ago. I'm not sure. I didn't see the actual video. I had to go back and watch the actual original video. But I get tagged a lot. There's always, every day there's someone that tagged, that would tag me and mention me. And so sometimes I'll go and check. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I'll go and check all the mentions and say, oh, okay, I didn't know this guy tagged me. That person tagged me. That person tagged me. So I went and saw one particular, I think this was three days ago, I think that Alexander Burgundy had tagged me. Okay, interesting. Let's see what he tagged me on. And it was a little video clip from a bigger video. And so I watched it and then there was subsequently two or three other after that. I'm not sure how many came after that. But what it was was when he was on another channel and they were having a discussion and then my name came up. Okay, so this is interesting, which makes it understandable why he tagged me. And this is something that really didn't have to be what it is. I'll tell you, I'll tell you that or why I said that in just a little bit. But he's on this channel after Isaiah Saldivar was on it. And this is, I don't know if you guys remember some time ago, a younger guy by the name of JP came on and we talked about eternal security. Now JP is not one of my biggest fans, which is fine. I really don't, when I say I don't have a problem with someone not liking me or disagreeing with me or even name calling that I promise you guys, it doesn't bother me at all. Again, I don't do a lot of response videos to someone calling me names because if that were the case, I would be on here all day long. That's part of the game. That's part of the thing. When you really mean that you really act that way. And so now does it bother me when someone says something? Well, let me put it this way. Would I like to correct them? Sure, but I don't go out of my way. Does it bother me? It absolutely doesn't. As a matter of fact, keep saying it if that's the case because everybody would have to agree. And I literally do mean everybody. If a person wants to have a conversation with me, if a person wants to talk to me, I mean someone that is out there and they have a platform, they have a ministry and they are in disagreement. Even sometimes, most times, even if you don't have one, I tend to be accessible. And so there's no reason for you to have a disagreement with me and not want to talk to me. And I'll cover why that's important and the reason for this video because I think the video is actually bigger than just the people that I'm making this honest appeal to. And honestly guys, it is a sincere appeal. I'll tell you what that is in just a little bit. But I want to start off by playing a clip when Isaiah Salavar was on their channel. And I want you to hear what he says and that'll be kind of our launching point. By the way, they call secondary issues. They say, oh, Christian's having demons as secondary, which is the only point of contention any of them make videos about. And then they say, I'm not saved because of it. And then they say, but it's secondary. But go ahead. Yeah, I hear you. But do you believe Pagani's a brother? Well, a couple things. First of all, I don't know why I didn't I didn't do this right. Let me let me fix this on the fly. And in terms of something being a secondary issue, I reject that. There's a reason why I reject anything being called anything from the scriptures being called a secondary issue. The reason why is first of all to say so is almost to kind of minimize what you're speaking of. And so there's nothing that we can cover in the Bible that that should be minimized. Now, if you're saying kind of in comparison to salvation, obviously being saved is the most important thing. But what does the Bible speak most often about our walk, our walk in God? That's what the Bible speaks overwhelmingly more about. And so for that reason, if we're talking about a person having a demon, then we're talking about that person's walk. And that is of the utmost important. Now, the fact of the matter is, it can't be too secondary to people like Isaiah, to people like to people like Alexander, to others. It couldn't be too secondary because they have literally built their internet presence off of this so called secondary issue. So it's not too secondary in their life. That's pretty much what they when they're invited to preach is what they're preaching about. It's what they're known for. So if they want to, and I'm sure they're not minimizing what they're saying or what they're doing. And so I would not categorize it or put it as a secondary issue. As a matter of fact, what does the Bible say? The Bible says that all scripture, for what reason is given, all scripture is inspired and proper. Why? For teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped, lacking absolutely nothing. So that's not a secondary issue. It's the very reason why we have the scriptures, why we study the scripture so that we can grow in the grace and the knowledge of the Lord. Now, after Isaiah was on there, I guess apparently he has spoken high enough of the of the guys. And there's a reason why I think that in my argument, my contention has always been that too many of them go to places where there's not enough pushback. And that's a problem. That's a problem. They'll go to JP's channel. That's fine. They will go to places like remnant radio. That's fine. Incidentally, I'm still scheduled as far as I know to be on remnant radio at some point in time. And I'm going to make the same the same point. They'll go to Ruslan now and I and full disclosure, listen, I'm cool with Ruslan, but I do think I wish that he would push back more, but they don't expect to get the same sort of pushback from him they would get from me. Even when Pagani came here, there was a little bit of shackling to where we could only go but so far. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but again, he he goes there. I think he's been on a couple of times far as from what I've been told. I don't know, but he's been on there. And then so he tells Pagani, it's okay to go on there. Hey, you might want to go and check the guys out. So he hops on alive. I don't think it was intended, but he hops on alive. And in the conversation, the conversation is kind of centered around. It's about demons, I believe, but he speaks about or they're asking, is he a brother? Hey, friends with smart Christian channel and hold myself here in the middle because I want to, you know, one, there's a guy actually behind me.  And it's like, it's kind of distracting what he's doing. He's on the phone and doing certain. So I'll put my picture here in the middle. I hope you guys can hear this well enough. Y'all let me know if the volume of them is is high enough. But do you believe Pagani is a brother considering your friends with smart Christian channel and all these guys and they say that he's not, he believes in this Christ as his Lord and Savior. And he believes that you're safe by grace through faith. So there you have it. Do you believe he's a brother? Now we clarify. Now let me say something. They're asking, and this is Marlon Wilson of the gospel truth, who's on there. Oh, by the way, notice layman seminaries. There are a lot there. I have seen a few people that are that come in the chats over here that are also there, which is fine. And he's asking Marlon, does he believe that Pagani is a brother? Now he didn't know, as he says, he didn't know, know a whole lot about him, hadn't followed him a whole lot to say one way or the other. And so what does JP do? JP kind of gives a rundown of what he believes. Listen, guys, what you say you believe that make you a brother, and they would even have to agree because the person says, yeah, I believe that Jesus died for my sins.  I believe that happened. They have a mental understanding or what we call a mental ascent to that. That didn't mean they're a brother. Now am I saying for the record, have I said that Pagani is or is not a brother? Well, I'll leave you in suspense. The same thing that I've said about him. Same thing I said about Isaiah Saldivar. The same thing I said about Blatt. The same thing I've said about Mike Signorelli. Hold your horses just one second and we'll get to that. I don't think, yeah, I don't think Corey Miner doesn't believe I'm not saved. I've never heard him say that. I do believe that he thinks I'm a false teacher with malicious intent. That's the issue. That's what frustrates me is that now is a false teacher. Can a Christian be a false teacher? Well, sure. Sure. If my, if a child of mine were to get up and preach or to teach, they might give a whole lot of false things, not knowingly, but just, you know, unknowingly, and they would be classified as a false teacher. And a false teacher really is someone that's classified as someone that makes a habit of doing so, whether intently or unintentionally, but it's kind of what they do and are not willing to kind of pull back and to learn.  So they're going to hear this message without question, but God is going to hear it. Salavar is going to hear it. And so guys, you don't have to admit it, but listen to my plea in just a little bit. You know, not only do we have relationship with Scripture, but we have relationship with the Spirit of God. And the Spirit of God will testify, okay, they're off in this area, but they're authentically born again and saved, but the Spirit that's within you bears witness with the Spirit that's in them. And I'm not talking about the Marcus Rogers, I test people by the Spirit. That's something else, because I know he uses that phrase a lot. And I'm not saying that that's how I'm using it, but there is a relationship that we have with the presence of the Holy Spirit, the Paracletals, you know, what frustrates me. I haven't heard this from Cory, but some of the other ones where, and I said this to my friends, I said, watch, I told them as I said, watch, the first time that they say that we're in error, I told them, I said, watch, because we don't respond, watch how it will graduate. I said, it will go from, you know, a brother, but that's in error. And then from error to put a heresy, from heresy to heretic, from heretic to not save, to false brethren. I've watched it evolutionize itself. And that's the part that I go, man, where is their prayer life? Now I understand his frustration, but truth be told, I don't know why you're frustrated.  And that's fine. Nobody is as tough or as bold or as brash as they let on, not even myself. However, I've been accused by people close to me, namely my wife, that I could do a better job of showing some emotion. I'm the kind of person that in the middle of it, I'm going 100 miles an hour and I'm looking, I've got my blinders on. And so I'll deal with the emotions later. They worried about me. When I utilized my father, I did his funeral. And my mother asked me, Corey, why aren't you crying? I said, well, because I've got a job to do right now. I'll cry later. And I literally, as soon as I finished preaching, the tears just came uncontrollably. And so I just wish that a lot of us, this is what I said that I don't think that we recognize what the assignment is. The assignment is to do the job. I'll tell you what the job is in just a second, but the assignment is to do the job irrespective of your emotions. You can love someone while still not letting your emotions get the best of you. And I think that too many people who are in ministry, either online or in the, in a concrete building and so forth, whatever, or out on the streets would have you tend to let what other people think or feel or say get the best of them. You will keep going in circles for the rest of your life, because someone somewhere along the way is going to say something. If you have a ministry worth anything, somebody's going to say something. Or if you have a ministry that's demonic, not really a ministry, somebody's going to say something. So understand what, as they say, what the assignment is. You cannot get too bothered by what folks say. And let me just say this again, if we go back to that screen, we will, every, not every single person, but most of the people that are on there have a way to get in touch with me. J.P. could get in touch with me if he wanted to. Matter of fact, Mahler doing, during the conversation with Alan Parr and Ruslan in the chat, if you go back and watch the chats, if they're still up, asked me, challenged me to talk about tongues.  When we come on every other Friday or every now and then on Fridays, and the, and the live stream is open, anybody can come on. He had a guy on there who made 50-something videos about me. I could care less. That's the very same person that doesn't even want to talk to me face-to-face. He'll say certain things, but he won't talk to me, which is fine. He can get the link if he wants to. It doesn't matter to me. My point is, this ministry is bigger than us. It's almost like I feel like Nino Brown and New Jersey, this is bigger than me. This is bigger than me and my little old feelings and what I think and how I want things to go. It's bigger than me. It's about souls. And so if someone is preaching something that can harm the soul, there is, again, as I said before, at the end of every heresy is a soul. That's important. And so that's where I'm coming from. And so he makes a statement that he's frustrated that people will think of him as not a brother. Well, first of all, if you are, don't worry about it. But two, if that's how you feel, Alex, and I know it bothers you. To some degree, I say how could it not. But then also to Isaiah and Mike and Vlad, who tend to be kind of more in the background than the other two, which is fine, but anyone else, it gets to them. So my statement is this. You understand that we have this fellowship with the Word and that we should have a fellowship with the Spirit. In other words, if I'm saved and I have the Holy Spirit, I should understand that you are too. But you know what can fix all of that, Alexander? Do you know what can fix that? Isaiah? Anyone else? Not so much the fellowship with the Word, which we need and fellowship with the Spirit, but you know what? Make sure that we can know a fellowship with each other. That's literally what we are called to do, to have this fellowship with each other. And I want you all to remember, we're going to go over the timeline in a minute, because I think some people have forgotten. I haven't. What actually transpired? I've always offered and will still offer. We don't have to talk publicly. We can talk privately. I do think though, as relates to your doctrine and so forth, that what I think it can harm or hurt someone, I think it ought to be made public. But we can talk on the phone. We can have a little Zoom meeting, just all of us, and no one can ever know. We can just talk because you're going to see why and he is going to give us, Pagani is going to give us a prime example why he and I or they and I or they and people like myself need to be in constant communication. Even if we disagree, I told you guys before, there's a guy named, a buddy of mine named Laxie on my federal tour. He was a, he called himself a Oneness Pentecostal. Well, we know most, hey, Oneness Pentecostal, they aren't safe. Well, this brother was.  People can die. People can get stabbed. People can get jumped. People can get stomped out. All sorts of things happen. You think the, the suicide rate is high here in America or anywhere else. It's higher in prison. And so getting to these people and speaking to these, and you talk about a place where there's a lot of demonic activity, it's there. And so, yes, he was off on doctrine, but his heart was people getting saved. And what he was doing, he was showing up at the Bible studies. I'm teaching the Bible studies he's showing up. And though we are diametrically opposed in terms of doctrine, he's showing up and the folks that he's leading, he's bringing them there. And what ends up happening, he starts, he starts moving away from some of his core beliefs and understanding the scriptures. So there's a reason why we get together and talk because there's a game plan. I told you guys before, you drive on your way to church or you drive from one side of town to the other side of town. You're going to pass by a church of Christ. You're going to pass by 12 or 13 different Baptist churches. You're going to pass by a church of God in Christ, a similar to God, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, passed by all these different churches. And the tendency is to say, they ain't saved. They ain't saved. They ain't saved. And the question, I remember, I've said this to you guys before, my pastor asked me this question. And here I am. I'm one of the associate pastors. He said, Cory, at those churches, do people place their faith in Christ? Maybe not every Sunday because some of the churches are smaller, some are larger. But do people place their faith in Christ at those places? Well, yes. Well, who causes that? God or the devil? Well, obviously God. So if God is using these places to bring people to Christ, well, then what should I do? Blow them up? Stop? No. But does that mean that we should never ever talk about doctrine? We should. As a matter of fact, we're going to see as that being one of the points that we even mark and avoid. As a matter of fact, let's go there now. The Bible says, if I can find where I put this passage at, I'm sorry. There it is. The Bible says in Romans 16, 17, he says, Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances. Look how he says, contrary to the teaching that I came, which you learned and turn away from them. So those people, that's who we turn away from. Not from the folks that are in just sin because they need what we have. But there are those that are teaching, preaching, things that are contrary. Well, those who teach and preach contrary doctrine, they call themselves Christian. And so we don't know if they're brothers. They may say they are, but we want to investigate. We want to talk. How can I know for sure? I have no idea. Here's my answer to whether I think that Isaiah Saldivar or Pagani or Savchuk or any of the other ones signaling really are brothers. I don't know. I honestly don't know. There's no way for me to know. There are times where it seems like you have a genuine heart and that it may indicate that you are. And there are times where you say some things like, wait a second. No, how could you possibly?  Again, going with with the phrase we always use from Mike Todd.  Treat that.    Every last one of you, including the people that helped to write this book, we'll cover that in a second and cover why it's so important. Why it's so important that we have these conversations. But now Pagani and others don't want to have a conversation, but that's a problem. I think it's a good thing. Maybe some of my other colleagues, they might take an offense to it. If you notice, I haven't really made an offense to it. As a matter of fact, I don't even really talk about it on my page. Some of my others, they kind of like mention it. I even get uncomfortable saying heresy hunter. I'm not going to say I haven't said it. I said it maybe like twice. And even when I do say it, I personally feel convicted because why is it a bad thing for someone upholding scripture above everything else? Like that's not a bad thing. You know, what he's saying is, listen, he's preaching right there. What he's saying is absolutely correct. Amen. Amen. And amen. Oh, my issue has always been I'm not perpetuating deliverance. I'm saying don't negate deliverance. That's what I'm trying to say. Now the issue is, first of all, we think that you are, but that's neither here nor there. And you say that not to negate and deliverance when you talk about what deliverance is. That's the issue. Because let me just say this. Let me go full screen. Let me say this and let me say this clear. Could you imagine if we were on the same team? What if we were all those in the cessationist camp and those in the continuations camp, those are demon slayers and those are not. I'm not, by the way, I am not a cessationist. But what if we all, what if we were all on? What if we believe we were on the same team? Me and Pagani and Saldivar and Savchuck and Signorelli, Marcus Rogers. What if we all felt like we were on the same team? And then let's throw some other folks in there that are, because I think everybody think that reform and Calvinists are the only other group out there. There's Charismatics and then there's Calvinists. Guys, now Charismatics is the fastest growing group, but Calvinists is not the largest evangelical group. Just FYI, but all the Calvinists, all the Southern Baptist who are not Calvinists, all the dispensationalists, all of those people. What if we all thought that we were on the same team? And then what if we acted like it? Because on that team, we've got some folks that aren't doing things right, that are doing things right or might mess up here or there. Well, the whole point of us being a team, being a family is that we help each other out. When you say something wrong, guess what we can do? We can talk about it. What did Laxie and I do in prison? We talked about, hey, listen, that's wrong and he would disagree and it wasn't like that I said something that immediately banned. Corey said it, you're right. You're right, Corey, I'm wrong. That's not how that worked. We took time, but what we never forgot was that we are on the same team that we loved each other. Somebody said, proud Calvinists here.  At some point in time, at some point in time, you're going to be so wrong, it's going to be amazing and you're going to wish that you never even had a YouTube account or a Google account or a Facebook account. We say and do some things that's like, wow, what was I thinking? That's all of us.   Some things are going to get us in more heat and more trouble than the next. And we say some things. We even say some things that are wrong or incorrect when it comes to the scriptures. So let's go back to this. I think the reason that many Calvinists and non-Calvinists are like half issues or concerns about the deliverance ministries, no matter if it's just a minor or major deliverance ministry. The concern is, is that we don't see a lot of charismatic stepping to the discussion ring. Now, I don't know, let me know if you guys can hear that or not. Matter of fact, what I could do, I'm not that bright, I guess, I can't hear it that well because I have my volume down. But let me know if you all can hear, this is Marlon from the gospel truth. He's there and he's trying to make a point. And Pagani's not going to hear this point. Comes to opening yourselves up to having these open discussions, the doors pretty much shut. And I think that by shutting the door and not allowing people to sort of interrogate and to interact with your content in a one-on-one face-to-face conversation, I think it allows people to come at you and make response videos in this representation. I think the only way for you and the Isaiah Salvadoran out there to really come back false information is to confront it head-on. So I think that it would benefit you guys. Okay, now what do you think now? He's going to disagree, but what do you all think? Do you think it would be beneficial for us to have a conversation? Or as some of you people say, conversate, which is not a word. That word, that's a demon. That's a vocabulary demon. That's a grammar demon, conversate. But should we speak? Should we talk? Should we talk? Sure we should. But should it only be on the matters that there is no controversy to? Let's just show that we can get along, but let's never bring up the things that we disagree on. And let's not... No, we should flesh those. What do you guys say? I think we should speak. And now we don't have to make a public spectacle of it. We don't have to, but let's at least speak. Not necessarily on camera, but behind closed doors. Let's talk. And if what you're saying is out there, maybe we should talk. Because again, these people have influence. And let me just say this. And I wanted to say this earlier. You have influence. And there is a responsibility to your level of influence. Have you seen the numbers of the people that are subscribed to some of their channels? Vlad, you probably wouldn't know this. Some of you guys don't know this, but Vlad Slapjack has more subscribers than all of them. He has I think 1.1, 1.2 million people. I mean, he's up there. He's in the Alan Parr range now. I think Alan Parr might be just a little bit ahead of him. Isaiah, around 800,000. Signarelli, I don't know. Two, three, four. I'm not sure. I know Pagani's at 100,000. So there's a lot of influence there. Not even counting the people like Daniel Adams, who that person. Yeah, my story with him, I really believe it. It's hard for me to say it. So I would let him know he's definitely not. But I don't know. I didn't, I didn't, he didn't place his faith in me. And so I don't have a spirit to put in him. So I don't know. Marcus Allen, Marcus Allen, Marcus Rogers, he's got 600,000s of like that. So there's a lot of influence. And with that influence comes responsibility. With your influence comes responsibility. And let me just say this. Let's just say if all of these people are brothers, let's just do this chat. And I'm pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of people in the chat probably lean to the fact or lean to believe that they're not Christian. But let's just assume for the sake of this. Pagani, Isaiah, Mike, Vlad, whoever else, we're assuming you're brothers. Okay. Don't know. Don't don't know one way or the other. Wouldn't it be beneficial if you had someone else who's also who knew you were a brother who worked with you together? You can work with us. We can work with you. How wonderful would that be? Because I also believe this. I believe this is me. Somebody might make a video chorus and left the range. I believe with the energy and enthusiasm that you guys have, that I think now I think your doctrine is off. But if your doctrine was where I thought it needed to be, again, I'm not the arbitrator of that. I don't decide that. But how awesome could you be if you corrected some things? And oh, by the way, we have literally watched you guys in real time correct some things, make some adjustments on the fly. We have seen you guys publicly state some of the things that we've been stating, some of the things that we've been addressing. Can I give you an example? This is Pagani. Now, this is Pagani preaching. This is Pagani preaching. And I've said this. Other people have said this. How many people have you heard say what we're getting ready to play Pagani saying? Deliverance ministry is not the savior. The deliverer is giving us. Well, it's obvious that you can't do deliverance without Christ. No, then talk about Christ. Talk about Christ. And guess what? I'm gonna throw myself in there. I'm gonna throw myself in there. Throughout the years, I look back on some of my older videos and I realized there wasn't a real thorough presentation of Jesus in my deliverance discourse and presentation. Even though at the core and the essence of it, Christ crucified is deliverance. The efficacy of the blood of Christ, Christ delivering people, the reform camp, cessatialists. We got to give it to them. Our deliverance videos, we're not talking about Christ. We're talking about mermaid spirit and fasting and prayer and rebuking this and binding and loosing that. Amen. Where is Christ? Now, my question is how many times have we preached that? What he just said, what he just said was spot on. It was spot on. Problem is, what if the rest of them are saying the same thing? They have to agree. They have to agree that what he's saying is spot on. Now, if I say it, or someone else were to say it, then we got a problem. We got a problem. What are we? Clout chasing and all these things like that. That's a problem. Not that he said it, that it's not being said as much and that others aren't saying it. That's a huge problem. But let me go back to it. Pagani doesn't think that we ought to be talking publicly and discussing this. I don't think it would. I don't think it would. I don't think it would because you're not going to change your mind and neither am I. Let me tell you something. They're going to misrepresent us because we already come into the conversation not being credible. When a person is already not credible, then at that point it's either not even sure for what reason the conversation would be. Well, I can tell you what the reason for the conversation would be. First of all, when he came on here, I didn't treat him as though he was not credible. As a matter of fact, people got upset with me for, hey, Cory, you're platforming this brother. You're this, you're that. And so I treated him as though he was credible. And I wanted everyone else to give him the benefit of doubt. And let's just see where it goes. I just felt like, hey, I've got some explaining to do. You've got some explaining to do. Help us to understand. We might be wrong because here's the thing.  If you think it's that important, if it's that important, it doesn't matter then if you're not going to change your mind. Don't you have enough confidence in the Holy Spirit that if what you're saying is truth, that it can resonate in me and others? Or do you believe that the moment that you heard the gospel, bam, right then and there, you know, took some time, took some time.  Same thing with some of these doctors. It takes a while to kind of move over. Now, whether you and I never change, isn't the people that might hear, aren't they important? Aren't they important? So maybe you say something to preach to them and show them the scriptures. That's the issue. And so I said before, there are times where if I'm talking to someone, if it's me and another person, and then we're never going to get anywhere, then I'm not going to have a conversation just for the sake of having a conversation. But if there are those that are around listening, then we'll have the conversation not for the benefit of me or him, but there is a benefit that I can learn how to sharpen my skills, be able to give a defense, which the Bible does say we'll cover in a little bit, but also for the sake of the benefit of others that are watching. I said before, these guys could be wonderful for the ministry. These guys could have everybody following their lead, I think if they tighten their doctrine up. There's an issue for that. As I said before, with this, with your influence comes great responsibility, whether you've got 10,000, 50,000, 100,000, 200, a million, what have you. There's a responsibility that comes with that. As a matter of fact, we even see the same thing happening with the apostles. Because if one person does something wrong or says something wrong, then it can cause other people to sin. How do I know so well? Because Paul confronts Peter Cephas in Galatians 2. Let me say, but when Cephas came to Antioch, I posed him to his face because he stood condemned. Look what he says, for prior to coming of certain men of James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But then he moved away, sharing the Jews. Verse 13, the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. So what you do does have influence, especially if you've got 100,000, 200,000, 500,000, a million, combine how many millions of people are listening to you guys. And so you have a responsibility to defend yourself, to account yourself. And I've said this, not just with you guys, I've said this with the Reformed people. Remember, I'm not Reformed. I am not, I'm not Reformed like the Vodibachems of the world. I'm not Reformed like the, like the James Weiss of the world. Love them to death, but I disagree one with their hermeneutics. But two, I've said this over and over again.  If you can't defend if the Lord is working in you and you can't defend nor are you willing to defend it, Houston, we got a problem. Why is that? Because the Bible says, the Bible says this, is always be ready, sanctify Christ in your heart and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence, the hope that's in you. This is not just regarding salvation, but everything pertaining to salvation. It must, how do we know? Because that's literally what they did. They gave a defense, not just for what Jesus did, how they were saved, but how they ought to live, to anyone that would ask. And so let's continue. Let me tell you why I don't do it sometimes. I'm gonna tell you, this is a really bad answer for me. And you don't have to agree with it is, I'm not making nobody famous. I'm not gonna make nobody famous. And I hate to say that.  And now they go from down here to all the way up here. And I'm just not that guy. And second reason is, let me say this, I'll deal with the whole credibility stuff and helping someone to grow their channel and so forth. But if a person wants to speak to you and you know they want to speak to you, that means you watch them. Whether they got two members, two subscribers, or 200,000. If you actually watched them, if you saw their video, your eyes were on there, then address it. If it bothered you so much, then address it. Irrespective of the fact that they have a few subscribers or a few followers. Address them in private if you want to, fine. Address them in private. But because now it looks like not that they are interested in the views or the numbers, it might be that other people. Because I could promise you, I know it for a fact, if Alan Parr says to some of the Demon Slayers or somebody else, let's have a conversation. People are lining up. Why? He's got 1.1, 1.2 million subscribers, all those views. And so yeah, let me make an effort to defend myself or to equip myself in front of a larger audience. And so let's not act like it's only the smaller channels that actually have a care or concern about subscribers and viewers. A lot of them do. Me personally. And folks have said, Corey, I think you care too much about subscribers and views. If I cared about subscribers, I would make videos all the time about this is shocking. This is demonic. I can't believe what this person says. He said this, he mocked God, and then this happened. All those little videos where it's the same retread videos over and over again. You know what I would do? Somebody asked about this the other day. I don't even, this thing has been here. You can see the, well, you probably can't see the dust. Maybe the dust is on this thing. You know if anything, you probably can see the dust. I don't pull this thing out. I could care less. It's just been sitting there. I don't care about this. That meaning thing to me, the subscribers, I told you before that at some point in time, I'll leave this. I am, the intent for me is to leave this thing. And so I could, I really could care less. I really could care less. I don't do things the YouTube way. And so you won't be able to impute me by saying, I'm looking for views and subscribers. And this, because if I did, I would do it that way. I don't, I don't come here asking for, Hey, could you please like and subscribe? Could you please support, support me? Get, I don't, I don't do that. I could, but I just don't. Not, by the way, I'm not saying that it's wrong for anyone else to do so either. But everybody looks at numbers. You make a video. Would I rather one person watched it or a million? Well, if I think what I'm saying is true, then a million. That's why everybody who speaks wants someone, everybody who speaks wants someone to hear and to appreciate and to accept what they're saying. Otherwise you wouldn't say it.  Let me say this guys. So that can help you not say anything silly.  You are moronic.   So let's just be honest. We do care what people think, right? Including Pagani. That's why you have a conversation.  I agree what he's saying. What that guy Corey is saying, he's wrong. That's why you ought to have it if you care about not about you changing your mind of them, but about the people who will be listening. I don't want to attach my name to somebody forever, which means if I get on a video with someone like today, this will be in the cyberspace forever. And I don't mean to keep stopping, but you know what else is going to be in the cyberspace forever? Every video that you've ever done. So it's not the conversation or going on someone's platform that's going to be there forever. It's also what you're going to say. You have a bigger channel, so they'll hear you about you. They're not going to type up Joe Schmoe exposing Pagani. They're not going to type that up, but they might type up Pagani and they'll see what you said. And that will be around in the next 10 years, 100 years, or what have you. I'm just not that guy, man. I'm not that guy that attached my name to you, not you personally, just in general. And now it's out there 50, 60 years from now and it's still there. And here's the thing. My position can change 10, 15 years from now. And now I got to like do these other videos to kind of backtrack that. And then it just... Well, that's a good thing to know if your position can change. Mine has. Mine has changed in so many different ways. Just, and I'm not saying that that's a valid reason. Just that's just my personal, my personal reasons is pulling you out. You were talking about earlier about being held accountable for things that we say on YouTube. So that includes your teaching. And when we do, when we do debates, formally or whatever, that's part of holding people accountable, I believe. Now, that's a good friend, Layman Seminary. He's on, he's on there. But this is, now I did, I will say I took some exception to this because let's just, let's just be honest with what's getting ready to come out of JP's mouth. Let me say this, Layman. I think that he did go on Smart Christian's channel and it was a disaster. The man made 40 videos out of it. I didn't know. He said things, things were taken out of context. Okay, number one, number two, number three, wrong, false and wrong. It wasn't a disaster and we'll prove that in just a second. Didn't take anything out of context. Wouldn't, wouldn't much take out of context. And he says I made 40 because I think I made, I think over the last two years, two and a half years, 10, 11, 12 videos. So what, what is that, what is that per year, guys? Three, four videos per year. It's not a lot. Oh, by the way, let me just say this. I have to say this as well. It's not as though that other people, other people aren't making videos. It's not, so it's not, it's not that we get together and say, you know what? Yeah, let's make a video about Marcus Reuters. Let's get together and make a video about Mike Todd. Let's get together, let's all know that's not what happens. Sometimes people can say something that is either, either egregious or shocking or profound. It could be the good. And we need to go ahead and address it or talk about it, right? Israel was attacked by Hamas. It was, it was so profound. Well, egregious, not profound, egregious that we talked about it. This person dies. We talk about it. So something that's out there, we talk about it again. With, with your influence comes responsibility and also comes eyes. And so people are going to hear what you say. I am not tracking down what these people are saying. People send me something, I get, I get videos sent to me all the time. There's one person, I'm not sure if he's in the, if he's in the chats right now who sends me a lot. And a lot of it, some of this stuff is funny. A lot of the stuff, well, more of his stuff makes the cut than a lot of people. He's just, so, and good brother, good brother. And so I'm not out there actually looking for this stuff. It just, it just comes. And no, by the way, sometimes YouTube just sends it. But let me finish listening to what he's saying and I'll respond to JP. Things of that sort. So it'd be, to Alexander Pagani's point, it was a disaster, right? And he went on that platform in good faith, thought it would be a certain conversation. It ended up that way. You're saying he ran content after that, that many times? Like 40 videos off of that one conversation. I remember it like it was yesterday. No, you don't remember it like it was yesterday. How do I know? Well, let's go over this. Now, full disclosure, when Alexander and I started speaking, this had nothing, it had nothing guys to do with demons, nothing. This was when Alan Parr and Marcus Rogers had a conversation about tongues.  I had an issue with one with something that Alan said. And by the way, Alan knows what I said about it. And he's like, okay, yeah, you know, I can see that and it's not what have you. We're cool. I had an issue with something that Ruslan had said. I had an issue. We're cool after that as well. I had an issue with something that Pagani said. For the moment, we were cool with that. And so with some other folks. So I addressed that in a video. That's how this came to be. And so then there were other folks that were making statements. And I think it was, I'm not sure, but I want to say it was Montana Viking who wanted to have a conversation with him. And he said, no, I'd rather have a conversation with you. Fine. So what ended up happening, we're going back and forth, we're talking and finally happened. And so he came on and this was, where is it at? If I can find it, here it is. I picked your channel because I genuinely felt that you and I have a lot more common in the sense of where we come from and that we can have grown folk conversation. And we did even through email. It was very cordial. It was very beautiful, even on phone. And let me just say this. This is the first and this is the last time that I'm ever doing this. Why? Because I never have, I don't go down this trail.  Now this is at the end of the video. Doesn't sound like it was a disaster. This, what he's saying right here is at the end of our conversation. So this whole saying that it was a disaster and you were, you remember it like it was yesterday? No, you don't. No, you don't really believe that this was a really good conversation that needs to get had from somebody that I genuinely respect. Corey asked me to get on the channel. He asked me in a very Christ like glorifying way. Now this is the first time I've ever done this. And this is going to be the last time because I believe that God, the Holy Spirit told me that you were the person to actually do it because we would have a really good conversation and it'll be very beneficial. Now that's important because again, if the Holy Spirit said do it, well, then there's no need for you to undo it. Okay, Bishop and also show that we can agree to disagree and still like still just have a really great conversation and learn and grow from it. I think now this right here is Alexander coming on again. I didn't ask him to come on and I'm not, I'm not trying to make something out of it or whatever, but to kind of fix the record because I want folks to know because what JP is doing is saying that there is a reason why they shouldn't have these conversations. Well, no, the conversation started off cordial and ended cordial. We didn't go into all the things that I wanted to cover and it was good enough to where we were doing a live stream. I don't know, some of you all, Chess, you might remember that. Carol, you might remember some of you guys, you might remember that you might remember this where he jumps on in the live stream. We're having a conversation and I'm asking him, let's finish the conversation and go a little bit further in depth. I think that there are some issues that need to be addressed and I think that people with some of the platforms that they have, I don't think that that's asked that's unreasonable to say, hey, listen, even if it's, listen, I would love to have a time where let's say it's you and Signorelli and Vlad and Isaiah. I would love to sit between all four or five of you whoever and just this is the issue because I think the issues, these are legitimate concerns people have. I think that it's incumbent. If I am, if someone thinks that what I'm... Now, notice, by the way, what is up with my lighting on that? But that's another story. But I'm saying the exact same thing that Marlon's saying. And so the argument can't be what it is now that it was turned into something because it wasn't turning. This is him coming back on. Let's have a conversation. And guys, I made this request in email and text and let's not necessarily have the conversation in public. Let's have the conversation behind closed doors. Let's have the conversation over the phone. Isaiah was bothered because I had a video. Chestchamp was upset with me because I took the video down. I took it down just as an overture, a good gesture. You know what? If it bothered you, which it did, I apologize. My intent was not to upset you, but my intent was to warn people what I think something is bad. But let's have a conversation. Let's talk. And I'm still at that point. Let's have a kind... There's nothing that you can do to me that can make me say, I don't want to have a conversation with you. And so let's just... Let's talk. No cameras, no nothing, no recording devices. Some folks like to record. I don't have to record. Let's just have a conversation about Seema moderator. He said he was very upset. He was hot. He was going to report me to YouTube. He was going to unsubscribe. He was going to make a new channel. I mean, a new account and unsubscribe to that, as that's how upset he was. And so that was the issue. The issue was, oh, at that time, that let's just talk. Same thing with Vlad. Same thing. It's certainly not cloud-tasting because we're going to do it privately. No one would ever know. Let's just do what brothers ought to do. So what I'm doing or saying is wrong.  So if someone says, hey, Cory, what about this? What about that? I think you're wrong. It's incumbent upon me to answer that, whether I do it on screen, by phone, face to face and so forth. If someone has an issue, I've got to make myself available as best I can. So if there's something that's wrong that needs to be exposed, let's expose them on one side or the other. But also if we do it the right way. I disagree with you. And that's the beauty of it. And I'm going to tell you why. And maybe your viewers can soundbite this. I think it would be a fruitless conversation. I'm going to tell you why. I'm never going to change my mind no matter what conversation we have. Now, let me just take you all back. And this is what I want. This is what I want Pagani and Isaiah and Vlad and everyone else to see. During that time, a lot of you, because I know so, I've still got some of the comments as well.  I'm open to hearing what the guy has to say. You guys were also giving him some credibility as well, at least to benefit of doubt.  Let me listen to the guy. He could be a brother of ours, but just wrong. And so we can kind of figure this thing out because maybe we are wrong. Maybe we are right. Maybe he'd be willing. That was the point. A lot of you guys in the chat and a lot of guys back then like, yeah, you know what? This is actually pretty good. I'll listen. Matter of fact, I brought Ruslan on folks who are like, Ruslan is too friendly with some of these people or whatever. I brought him on. I said, listen, we don't have to agree on everything, but we can still be brothers just because if that person has placed their faith in Christ and we have the same daddy, we have the same father. And so that was the point there. It would be fruitless. I would be more agreeing with you like, okay, that's how you feel. Okay, like I'd just be agreeing with you because it's, I'm not going to change my mind. So somebody's asking about, have I seen? Now, this is where it went off the rails. Behind the scenes, some things were happening that you guys had, I think I probably filled you in later, but behind the scenes, some things were happening. So I want you to listen. This is where I got blocked. Why did I get blocked? Not because things went off the rail because I made 10, 20, 30, 40 videos. As a matter of fact, I hadn't made really anything at this point right here. I have to take it back. There was one video that I did make, one video, but it wasn't about our conversation. It wasn't about our conversation. We were still framing. We were still texting. I'll share with you in a second. Seeing any videos that Corey Miner has released. No, I haven't. I have Corey Miner blocked. Let me just, let me say this also. This is a side note. All of the demon slayers have some of the nicest cameras. I'm jealous. They have some nice cameras. Nice. And I just, I just had to say that. Everywhere after he released the video, after he deleted the video from Isaiah and he went and released another video about my friend Isaiah, I blocked him everywhere. Now, let me say this. That's not what happened. That's not what happened. We can go, just look at the timeline. But what happened was I had asked him about some things and said, brother, let me just talk to you. This is me calling him, talking to him, texting him, email him. I'm concerned about something that you said. Matter of fact, I even went back to look at those texts to make sure, yeah, that is what I said, what we were talking about. About something that he has said in a previous video about us being Elohim's little gods. And I said, wait, are you, is that what you were saying? He said, no, that's not what I was saying. And so he made the video. He made another video. And I said, no, I disagree. Here's that video. You and I, and if you're ready to receive what I'm about to say, as many as received him to them, John chapter one, he gave us the right to be called the sons of God or benight Elohim. You and I are Elohim's. Oh, so now that's when I made a video after he did that about him. Then I got blocked and I put the video up about, matter of fact, I had also put the video up about Alexander, I mean, about Isaiah, but I also informed him. And his response was, you don't have to get my permission or anything like that or whatever. That's how you feel. That's how you feel what happened, which is fine. I appreciate him for saying that, but I hope he would appreciate me for, hey, this is your friend. But what you should not do, and this is the issue, it shouldn't be that a person is ready to defend a person more so than they are ready to defend the scriptures. That's my issue. That's still going to be my issue with him. And I'm sending this to you guys. I know you guys are going to hear it. You should be more willing to defend your doctrinal stance and the gospel more so than others. And it's the same thing with Mike Signorelli as well as Vlad Savchuk. Here's a clip of a video that I was talking about, Isaiah and Mike Signorelli and Vlad Savchuk shows up, they show up in the chats. If you are the actual true Vlad Savchuk, I would love to have you come on and defend Isaiah. The same thing, the same issue that I have with Isaiah, I have with you. You all keep, listen, you all keep vouching for him. Mike, Vlad, stop vouching for him, vouch for the scriptures. That was my point. And so, and I still stand that way. And so I won't play the next part. Pagani got a little bit, he was getting a little bit snarky in his video. It's fine, which by the way is fine. I'm the kind of person that we can be here in a conversation and we can be here. We can be here and we can be here. I promise you, it doesn't move me one way or the other. It really doesn't. So much so that again, there are family members of mine that get bothered because I'm not going to get as emotional about the thing as you do because again, guys, been through a whole lot, been through a whole lot to be upset and off put because someone called me a name or said this again, you called me a devil. You called me a demon. You called me an unsafe.  You put a Hitler mustache on me. You call me all these different things. Where does that compare what you said versus that day that judge said 240 months? Yeah, what he said hurt a lot more than you. So I can take what you say. That doesn't bother me, but do I want us to be friendly? I do. I would love for us to get along if it is possible with you be at peace with all men. And so I'm trying to be. But again, if you have a problem, if I can't, if being your friend means I can't say anything about you, well, then I can't be your friend. I can't be your friend. If I can tell my daughter what I think about her or my other kids or my wife, if I can tell, if I can tell God what I think, I should be able to tell you what I think. So going back to the conversation about why you should speak to somebody. And so the reality is this, bro, I wouldn't feel comfortable talking to a group of guys. If we had one conversation and you made 40 videos, and obviously I'm exaggerating, but you made 40 videos, offered that one thing to make your platform grow even more. And again, this is one thing that let's fix this. I want to fix something. But I did the notion that I did something to make my platform grow. That's just not good. Y'all recall when I did this before, let me see if I can find this little part. Where is it? Where is it? There it is. There it is. When I said, because to make your platform grow, you've got to have some controversy, some folks just running to it. You use someone else's name. By the way, when Pagani and I did this, my channel had more subscribers than his. But they'll say the same thing for, if it's Isaiah or anyone else. Let me just let me just say this because I didn't use anybody for anyone. The channel was growing. As a matter of fact, at that time, the channel was growing at about eight, nine, 10,000 subscribers a month. So I didn't need someone to do that. But by the way, to make the point even more so, because I want this forever to be in there, that I am not, if I put somebody's face or name on there, there's a reason why. I did this before. Let's do this again. Let me just do this again. This is what if you go, if they had these things called TubeBuddy and what's the other one? Doggone, I forgot the other one, VidIQ. And you can put in, you know, keyword searches or what have you. So if you can put these little keywords in your titles or what have you, in your thumbnails, it should bring more people to your channel or more views, more folks to click on. So I'm going to type in some names. So let's just go ahead and dispel this notion that I'm not using anybody, nor do I have to, nor is anyone else really doing so to bring in clicks, views, and likes and so forth. Let me just type in. I did this before with Isaiah Saldavar. So let's do this again. Isaiah, there's a name Saldavar. Let's see what it rates. Very good, 69 out of 100. Pretty good, pretty good. Let's type in Vlad Savchuk. Let's see what that rates. Pretty good, still 56 out of 100. So far, 69 is a high. Let's type in Mike Signarelli. 46 out of 100. So far, that's the low score, 69 out of 100. That's pretty good though. Pretty good from Isaiah Saldavar. Let's type in Alexander. Let's see what his gets. Some of y'all remember when I did this before. His gets 56. So far, 69 is the high water mark. So that JP, anyone else can know that I don't have to use a person, someone else's name to do so. Why? Because I'll just type in my name. That's my name, C-O-R-E-Y-M-I-N-O-R. 93 out of 100. That's the score that my name gets. So if you want to make a video about me, use my name. Or what if you just want to type in Smart Christian? It could be Smart Christians with the S or without the S. What does it get? 100 out of 100. I don't have to. And I'll say it again. I don't have to do that. I don't ask someone to come on just because do you know how many people I could actually get on the channel and interview and so forth? I don't have to. What if I just type the S off of it and put channel, Smart Christian channel? What does that get? Same thing.  No, that's not what's happening here. There is a legitimate concern about what's going on. What do you do when you legitimately have a concern about what someone says? You talk to them. You talk to them. So that would bother me. That's what I'm talking about. What you just said is what I experienced. And I'm not saying it. No, yeah, I saw it. I saw it. I saw Corey's channel. It's Corey Miner channel. Let's just say it for what it is, because it's already out there. But that's I learned a valuable lesson that when you're not credible and they already think that you're either a false brother or erroneous or a false teacher. Yes, be held accountable. But that's what it produced. And I said, I'm just not doing that again. Like I said, though, but he did, though. He came back on, which is fine. I thought he should have kept coming back on. Just like anyone. Again, let's see. I think all but one, I think this other part, matter of fact, yeah, except for the person at the top left-hand corner, and maybe that person too, they have access to my either my phone number, my email. So you can text me or what have you. And so there's if you want to talk to me, you are more than welcome to reach out and touch me. And guess what? I never made not one video after that. I didn't do it. So you're saying after the Corey interview, you pretty much said, I'm not that's not that's not going to be my strength. And the truth is, there were videos that he made after that. Now, as many as me that I made towards him. No. Now, again, none of the videos that I make about him or anyone else, we'll get to those in a second, are the same videos. I'm not going to, someone says XYZ, I'll make 10 videos off XYZ. However, Mr. JP, how many videos have you made about me? Which I don't, which is fine. Which is, which is fine. Listen, make more. And then if you want to have a conversation, you have a conversation. I promise you, I'm good. I'm not, I'm not going to, when you came on, I was not mean spirited. As a matter of fact, when he came on, he went back to his channel and they felt like that I, I don't know, mistreated him or was too this or too that or what have you, then I go to his channel. And what he was saying prior to I got on there wasn't the same thing when I got on there. I don't have a, I love talking to people. I don't have a problem talking to you. I think that is helpful. Now, if, if, if you're going to be, if you have ulterior motives behind it, well then that's a, that's a problem. That's a, that's a problem. Amen. How did you anymore moving forward or be doing people a solid or a favor? It didn't, it didn't work for you. No, I went on the channel because of Isaiah Saldivar and Corey's issue with him in that time. And that was, and while we were there, we had the conversation concerning Can a Christian have a demon? And I thought that I answered every question thoroughly from my perspective. And then it just, it. And so no, but that was the issue. I wanted you to answer the questions, the one that we, that, that, you know, which is fine. Listen, you never have to, if he never would have answered the question. Yeah, we still be, we still be cordial. Listen, some of my harshest, think about it guys. Matter of fact, I saw, did I, is, is Rick Caldwell still here? I have, I've said some things kind of pointed and directed at Rick Caldwell. We're cool. Got it. Got, I could call him right now. He could call me right now. I wouldn't take the call right now because we're live. But that, listen, this is again, understand the assignment. The assignment is, I feel like that there is demonic activity. Certainly the demon slayers feels like that there is demonic activity. So our job is to fight them. Does that mean that we might elbow each other from time to time and say something? You know, slap each other on the back of the helmet or on the behind, get, you know, get to moving? Sure. No problem. No problem. In my circle with my friends, we talk to each other like, wow, y'all don't love each other? Yes, we do. No, you should hear how I talk about my brothers and to my brothers. And I love them. Now, do I talk to everyone else the same way? No, I do not. But if we have a relationship and I think that what you're doing might be harmful to the body, then we have to. If you think that what I'm doing and this is the problem, dear demon slayers, if you think that what I'm doing is harmful to the body, you have a duty to call it out. So tell people, stay away from that person, but also to do so with the scriptures. Amen. I think that goes without saying. Now, here's why we ought to have this conversation. I said earlier, this is why Pagani should have had this conversation because he's getting ready to say something that every last one of us that has had a problem with, can a Christian have a demon? He's getting ready to say something that we've said all along, something that he struggles with. We could have had this conversation. But instead, you guys have these conversations to yourself, put the videos out and you're at an arms length and then we don't have no way, no recourse to talk to you. Instead of us making, instead of me making a video calling what you're saying wrong, I wish I could just call you up and say, hey, that's wrong. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't do that. Have you ever wished that you could have phoned a friend before you made a decision or said something that, hey, have you ever wished that I wish I would not have said this or done that? We all have been there. And so sometimes we make videos same way. I wish I could have been on the opposite and called them up and said, listen, no, what you're saying, what you're thinking is wrong. What about what the word actually means? And what am I talking about? Here is Pagani saying something, admitting something that, brother, you didn't have to do, you didn't have to go that route. You could have, we were telling you this. And now he's saying it. Let me just kind of first say this. Right now, personally, I'm having an issue with the word demonized, even though the Bible actually uses it. I don't think it's necessarily the best word we should use because in its interpretation, not only does it mean to be under the influence, but one of its definitions is also possessed. How many times have I said this?  I don't know why all of a sudden I can't even say the dog on word. Now I can't even say the word. Let me type it in here real quick. But I have said before, I have said before what the word means, what it entails, and we need to have a conversation about this because what you guys are saying is incorrect. How you're going about saying this is totally incorrect. And so what you think it means is not what it means at all. What you think it means is not, by the way, it always says having a demon. Where's the other one? If I can find it, I won't even worry about it. I won't even worry about it because it's going to take away too much time. But this is the word that I've been saying this. Pagani is having an issue with what the word means because he's now realizing that demonized and demon possessed literally means the same thing. And so the question is, can a Christian be possessed? Not that the person is owned by, but in terms of influence, move by having, as Jesus would say, this person has a demon. Can a Christian? And that's the argument. Let's talk about that because isn't it interesting that the entire world is bending over backwards to convince the world that there's something internally wrong with him? We keep talking about mental health, as though all of a sudden mental health just popped up. People's brains, what is happening so much so that people's brains have gone this way and gone that way? What has happened? Nothing. Now, is there some demonic influence? Sure. To believe that there is no demonic activity, you do yourself and the Bible aid this service because there cannot be an angel if there's no demon. They are, I don't say cousins or kissing cousins, but they were in the same place. They're just falling. And what do they do? Well, angels are ministering spirits. Who are they serving? Well, it depends on which side of the team they're on, which side of the ledger they're on.  And so there is demonic activity. And oh, by the way, you every day you walk, you come in contact with in some way, shape, or fashion, a demon and you may not know it. We agree with that. Matter of fact, Christians can't be demon possessed or have a demon or demon eyes, whatever the word you want to use, it literally means the same thing. Christians can't, but I mean that you're out of the purview of a demon. No, you know how I know? Get on the highway, drive to work.  You just know. This guy went from that lane over there, all the way over there doing 70. Yeah, that's a demon in that car driving. Folks, this road rage, somebody at work might have a demon, somebody, your neighbor, your family, that's a possibility. And so a demon's job is never over it just because you were saved. His job is still the same to thwart you in the garden. Did Adam and Eve have a demon? No, but there was one there speaking to them. And so what is this demon doing? Trying to thwart the will of God. So much so, the world is tossed into chaos. Oh, by the way, didn't God know what was going to happen? Sure. Does he make a way for their effect to be nullified? Yes, he does. And now we've got the spirit living us. And so that's why we need to have these conversations. I'm not above being shown that I'm wrong. Now folks at CORE, you always think you're right. Can we just say this once and for all? Well, it won't be once for all because someone's not going to listen. Do I think that I'm right? Sure I do. Sure I do. Don't you? No, I don't think that I'm right. I don't... What is it that you... What is it about you? Name the thing that you think that you... That's wrong about you. What is it that you believe that's wrong? Just name it. I think this is wrong. I think I believe... What I believe about this is wrong. Because if what you thought about something, if you believed it was wrong, you wouldn't think that anymore, would you? So it's a silly statement. What it is is that because a person is more forceful than what they say, he just thinks he's right. Well, you do too. We all do. Even four-year-olds think they're right. Talk to a four-year-old about their food, about their dietary choices. My three-year-old grandson, he just... You know what? My 12-year-old, my soon-to-be-13-year-old granddaughter, she's a mess. She thinks she knows it all. She can't believe that somebody my age would even dare to show her where she's wrong. But we all think that we're right. JP, you can respond, brother. Listen, you can respond. Matter of fact, what you could do, JP, is Friday. Come on. You can click the link. I don't have a problem with it. I don't have a problem at all. I imagine it. Which is no problem. You guys speak over there when you can speak to me. So it's no big deal. It really is no big deal. And like I said before, someone said, what do you think about JP? I think JP is a brother in Christ. I think JP is a brother in Christ. Love and the death, young, energetic, spirited. And do I think that JP is going to hold to all of his views in 20 years? No. Who are you?  Carol, are you still in the chat? Carol is a couple of days older than me. Chess Champ, I think Brian, you're a little bit older than me. Let's just go back 20 years ago. 30 years ago, it's sad when you can go. It's not sad, but I can remember 30 years ago. 30 years ago and I was at my, almost at my swavest point. That's when my wife met me. Yeah, she couldn't help herself and I didn't have a bald head. 30 years later with this, with my bald head, she can't resist herself. But I go back 30 years ago, 20 years ago, I go back 10 years ago and guess what? And guess what? I still look back and think I was just dumb. That was just, that didn't make any sense. That happens. So will JP or, I say it's out of bar. I say it's out of bar is younger than my oldest child. Is Isaiah out of our going to change? If he loves the Lord, the Lord's in it. Yes, he's going to change some things out everything, but some things are going to change. It's going to change. That's all of us. And since you don't have perfect doctrine, how about we talk about it? How about we have, how about we, we can email and text. We can do all of us. So it doesn't have to, it doesn't have to be on a camera. The person that's so zealous to have a conference on the camera makes me wonder, but I don't have a, I've never had a problem. What, what doctrine, what issue have I ever had a problem with discussing with someone on camera? Because if I feel that, if I feel that strong about what I'm saying, well then I should feel strong enough to say it before the people. Never had a problem. Never will. Amen. So that being the case, let's go back to this. So when we say Christians are demonized, right? So someone, yes, it's a slippery slope. They go, oh, you say Christian can be a demon possessing. We're like, that's not what we're saying. So it, it, it alludes to both definitions. So I'm, I'm struggling on whether. So if he's struggling, Pagani, if you're struggling, what do you think we're doing? If you're struggling with the terminology and we're saying that, listen, that terminology is wrong. How you're saying it is wrong. And now you're admitting it, he's literally back in our ballpark. I should even keep using that, keep using that word and just say, Christian open the door. That's fair, that's fair and honest. Only because we've been saying till we're blue in the face that we're not saying a Christian can be demon possessed. But then when they look at the meaning demonized, one of its definitions is to be owned by the devil.  Yeah, but I've already, we've already, see, see here and I, and I appreciate your stance on that. But here's the thing. We've put out enough content saying that over and over, how many more videos do I have to put out saying a Christian cannot be demon possessed? But you just said, now what he just said goes counter to what he just said a few seconds ago. And so a Christian can't be demon possessed, but they can be demonized. But you just said that demonized, demonized, they mean the same thing. And so there is the point. This is where I said, if we have this conversation, then we could have dealt with this. We could have literally walked through the Greek, walked through all the understanding. This is why I said, hey, help me understand. I literally asked him, help me understand. Why is it prior to Jesus showing up? We don't see anyone having a demon cast out of it, not once. After the founding of the church and the Holy Spirit is in every people group, we don't see a person having a demon cast out of it. We don't see anyone teaching that. So maybe you have the answer. Maybe you have the answer and you can share it with us. Because if what you're teaching and preaching is correct, then shouldn't, then wouldn't it be correct for all of us? Shouldn't I know this? Shouldn't the folks that might listen to this? There's five or some folks in the chats right now. Shouldn't they know this as well? Yes, I think so. And so it's just opening up the platform. And so let's just use the script. You don't have to submit and say, yeah, Cory, you were right about that. No, okay. You gave me something to think about, or I still disagree, right? Yeah, I'm pushing. Oh, I'm sorry. And then they still hear that I'm saying, that I'm saying that a Christian can be demon possessed. So it's a no win situation gospel. No, it's not. No, it's not. And again, as I said before, as I said before, that all of this stuff, all of this stuff relates to not necessarily Pagani. Pagani may not ever change on that. I may never change. But there might be somebody in the audience that would. It might be someone in the audience that might, you know what, I hear what they're saying. I hear what they say. Now, speaking of what they're saying, they say certain things. Isaiah will say something. Pagani might say something. Vlad might say something. Mike Siggler might say something. Do we have the right to comment on what they're saying? Sure. Do you have the right to comment on what I'm saying? You do. You do. Now, let me ask you guys a question. Matter of fact, anyone else? Anyone that, especially someone that disagrees with me.  If you heard this, do you think you should make a comment or you think they're worthy of a comment? Do you think that anybody or someone should correct this? Listen to some of these statements. Look at this. If the presence of the Holy Spirit crowds out demons, then demons couldn't exist anywhere because the Holy Spirit exists everywhere. That's powerful because people say, well, how could a demon and the Holy Spirit dwell in the same place? Well, friend, the Holy Spirit dwells everywhere. How could a demon dwell anywhere if that's the case? If that's the case, poor logic. How could a demon dwell anywhere? That's a good point there. Some of y'all should use that argument. That is to say, how can the Holy Spirit inhabit the same body with an unholy demon? But again, we must remember that the Holy Spirit in a certain sense inhabits everything and everyone in the universe, even unbelievers. Of course, in the case of the latter, he does not entwell them in a safe... I don't know if you heard that. I'm going to put it back on. I'm going to rewind it just a little bit, but he literally agreed with the sentiment and stated that the Holy Spirit, to some degree, inhabits everybody. So should you let that go? Would you make the... Who would not... Who would not... Wait a second. Hold on. Wait a second. That cannot stand. The Holy Spirit does not inhabit unbelievers. Where's the passage that states that? Let me... I want to play that again. Saving or sanctifying away. The field of failure. Remember that the Holy Spirit in a certain sense inhabits everything and everyone in the universe, even unbelievers. Of course, in the case of the latter, he does not entwell them in a saving or sanctifying way. The field of failure. Now, that requires... That requires a response. Nothing against him.  You're not... No, but brother, we got to fix that. I have stated something before, even as an associate pastor, one of the younger ones, and one of the older ones said, hey, Corey, no, let me pull you back a little bit. Let's fix this. Let me... Let's fix this. Let's fix this because one, I don't have to get up and embarrass you in the pulpit, come back behind you and apologize for what this goofball, Corey just said. I don't want to do that. So let's... So we don't have this again. So that requires a response. Or what about this? What he is saying here? Should we respond to this? Failure. The demon of fear of losing a job. The demon of fear of getting married. The demon of fear of getting sick. Come out right now. Come out right now. Come out in the name of Jesus Christ. Move. Move. Move out right now in the name of Jesus. Back your bags and go. Addiction to chocolate. Addiction to pop. Bedwetting. Addiction to habitual lip biting. In the name of Jesus. Compulsion. Knuckle cracking. Tentrums and fits. Thumb sucking. Anyone who says... Now does that require a response? Yes, it does. Those things aren't demons. Those things aren't demons. He was reading Sam Storm's book and Sam Storm's is wrong. Sam Storm's was 100% wrong.  And oh by the way, other scholars have said no. What Sam Storm said was just unbiblical. It was borderline blasphemy. And so Isaiah is simply reading what this other person said but does it make sense? If the person that agrees with you didn't say it, if someone else said it, you would say that's wrong. That's wrong to say that in some sense the Holy Spirit inhabits everyone. It says signs and wonders don't matter or isn't required in presenting the gospel is completely wrong. Paul says this. Signs and wonders gave him full confidence that he fully preached the gospel and without them the gospel is not full. And today's era of Christianity we've lost the convincing factor. The thing that was convincing people in Paul's day was the signs and wonders. So he says signs and wonders are required to preach the gospel. Is that correct? Are signs and wonders required to preach the gospel? I know JP is bothered with me but JP, if you're out preaching the gospel do you have to have signs and wonders or is your gospel null and void? No, that is a ridiculous statement to make. Do you know how many people have preached the gospel without signs and wonders? Pretty much all of you. Ministry of Jesus. So when you see us passionate about it it's because it's Christ's ministry and to undermine this ministry is to undermine Christ himself. When people oppose the casting out of demons they're actually opposing the work of Christ. So if we oppose that particular ministry or we disagree or not fully understood are we opposing the work of Christ? No, absolutely not. You can't say that and it requires a response because someone I promise you on these hey what do you think about this? Is that true? No, it's not true. Ministry of Christ the very thing Jesus told the disciples to do when we talk against deliverance when we bash deliverance when we say oh that's not how you do it you do it this way and we don't do it when you start going against the ministry of Jesus and say it's only for the apostles it's only for the disciples you're undermining the work of the cross is it? So you can't say that when someone disagrees with you we're undermining think what he said we're undermining the work of the cross that puts us in the position of being demons or demonic ourselves. Is it dangerous to study too much theology in my opinion? Yes, my opinion is this if you become so head knowledge and knowing all about God like the Pharisees did they knew all the laws they knew all the scriptures yet they didn't know the Messiah when he came this is what we're going through in Romans. You know a lot of these people who get into like intellectualism and a lot of these guys who are like very into like the deep exegetical stuff in scripture and like the reform community guys the heresy hunters I wonder how many of them are using that to escape the actual thoughts that would happen if they weren't so focused on the intellectualism so it's like okay well I do drugs but you do you know like you snort books you don't really even care about God you don't have a relationship with God you're just you're just obsessed with the things of God. So is that so we take that we're reading too much we're in God's book too much we're not concerned about God we don't really care about God we're just that requires a response that requires a response and then this from Vlad Savche Deliverance exposes hire links Deliverance is what separates Shepherds and hire links not sickness not healing ministry not the discipleship ministry it's the wolf that exposes your true colors so those of you or those of us who will say I'm not comfortable with Deliverance based on God's word I have the audacity to question the validity of your calling so you can call someone that disagrees with that a hire link that's a that's a pretty insulting word now the point is not to not to to cause a fight because I said before I love every last one of them every last one of them and if they were to call me or text me with a listen we could talk and and and would not reveal the conversation at all you guys would be you guys would be amazed at what sort of information I might have about certain people this network and I don't I don't I don't share this stuff because I don't have to there's there's no need because I'm not after or interested in exposing someone personally but but doctrine let's talk about doctrine and the reason why we should have these conversations because what does the Bible says iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another what is wrong with that absolutely nothing is wrong with that now jude tells us and this is inside the body because we're not totally sure but jude says love it I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation let's just talk about all the good stuff let's just get and I do want to get along and we can get along and disagree at the same time we can do don't you do that in your family at a family and there's some folks that you know what couldn't couldn't surely yeah I can't stand it but I love her love her to death I'll cry at her funeral right so ease as I make make every effort to write you about our common salvation I felt the necessity to write you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which once for all was handed down to the saints for certain persons have crept in unnoticed those who were long beforehand marked out for this kind of nation who are these people these are people that call themselves Christians so I don't know if a person's a brother now again I said I said this earlier is Isaiah Sal Devar or Alexander Porgani or Signorelli or Vlad are they brothers I have no idea I have no idea I can't say one way or the other all I can say is look at the doctrine what they're teaching and if when you say something we go through the description and say well that's not correct that is not correct and I'm saying this well Corey you're a cessationist I'm not a cessationist I'm not a Calvinist not reformed as a matter of fact I've probably given more rebuke to the reform community than I have but so I'm saying we you want to have the conversations you don't want to sit and defend your friends you don't want to sit and just have a a holy huddle with just the folks that just you agree with you should be willing to have conversations even off camera that really kind of is the test let's talk about and again for Gany you know that I've offered that several times people aren't necessarily willing to do so but that's fine that's fine so I won't make the necessary assessment that a person isn't unless I have overwhelming proof because again I told you my buddy Laxie in prison this guy was one that's been a castle he just didn't know what one that's been a castle was he really didn't and love the lord this man was concerned about you one placing your faith in Christ and then growing because I I believe this guys the reason why this is important for Gany this is why this is important to me it should be important to you Isaiah Vlad Mike and anyone this is why this is important when it comes to diagnosing someone it's important that you give the correct diagnosis the only reason there can be any sort of medical malpractice is one of their first has to be a misdiagnosis and so if we say that this is a demon it's a problem and then if you if you've got a misdiagnosis certainly you're gonna have a a miss when it comes to the solution if you think it's this when it's really that well what's the solution well we believe in deliverance here we believe in deliverance here we just believe that the deliverance is your faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit working in you how do we know because no one in the Bible with the Holy Spirit in them had to worry about a demon no scripture whatsoever there is no such thing that that was to say that that was Jesus's number one ministry in terms of casting demons out not the Bible records 10 times 10 separate times in the scriptures where he did so now were there more I'm pretty sure there were more but the Bible only records 10 how many times did uh did Jesus heal someone who was physically sick 27 times how many times he performed a miracle at least 42 times but then John says that he's done more miracles that we couldn't if we count them they would there's not a book that can contain them forgetting the prophecies that he's given so what was his number one thing his number one thing was us being in him and then walking in him and if there's liberty and freedom in him then I reject the notion that a demon could also forth that could you imagine this is my point this is my sincere appeal because could you imagine if what I just stated that Pagani Saldivar Savchuk Signarelli Marcus Rogers all of them if they have adopted that with the energy the vitality and some cases of youth that they have we could we could do some serious damage how do I know because of the 500 plus people that are in the chats how many of you guys I said this over and over how many of you all have a demon problem how many of you all are manifesting right now how many of you all have to keep getting delivered it's not an issue over here so there must be something true to the sort of gospel that we preach over here and on other places as well versus there I would much rather the people if I would thought I would I would be guilty of medical malpractice I would be guilty derelict in my duty if I knew or saw that someone else was doing something that was working better than what I'm doing if I knew that what they're doing over at this hospital they're not getting any recidivism they're not getting people coming back that jail is empty because folks are whatever they're doing over the jail people are leaving I might want to do what they're doing if this if this particular thing is working is curing people and mine isn't I think I might want to adopt that my honest appeal is not to accept what I'm saying but have a conversation I love you and I'm not making that up I really truly mean that I want the best for you but I don't want the best for you at all costs I want the best for you if the best for you is working for the Lord to bring the best to the people who need to hear the gospel and so someone might disagree someone might be upset someone it might be ready to make a video I'm pretty sure they will that that happens that's fine which is fine but make the video and then make the call to me and that way we can kind of figure this out and talk this out together amen