If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this special edition episode from Austin. Yeah, super special. Of Mind Pump. We just kind of do a recap, right? A paleo effects.  All the awesome people we met, the event, our observations. What else do we talk about? Our favorite gyms we've ever worked out at. Getting into flow state. We got Taylor and Doug with us today. We do. That was fun. Taylor and Doug, we're contributing. Nobody wanted to interview with us. Why we're here in paleo effects? So we had to interview Taylor and Doug. There's nobody here that wouldn't help on Mind Pump. Taylor, real quickly, we got an event coming up. Can you tell our audience what's West Coast Tour? What is this? We got, we got, we're doing a, we're doing a podcast tour. Podcast tour. Who's first? Who's first? Who's first? Vorey clothing. Okay. Now is that going to be open for people to go? How do people get, can anybody go or is that a private? You have to RCP for the event. So you have to go to www.mindpumpmedia.com forward slash tour. Oh wow. You have to put the W. We're going to put that in the show notes right now. Yeah, absolutely. Check out the show notes. So the show notes we'll have it because I know everyone. So go to the show notes. Select the city that you want to attend the live event for. So if you're in Southern California, it'll be at the Fort, the Vorey clothing flagship, which is in, in Sinitas little, little bit north of San Diego. And then the second event will be in Seattle on the 18th. So the first event is Thursday, May 10th, around 630 ish. And the second live event will be in Seattle at the mere flagship on Friday the 18th at six, six o'clock. Excellent. Yeah. Is it going to be like a, so obviously we only have room for so many people. So if somebody it's limited. So first, first, first, first, first serve the capacity for you to say that, bro. I was waiting. You were ready. Was that your life? I'm going to finish, finish all your senses free. First come first serve.  All right, man, let's do this. Get into the episode already. They're hungry for it. You know what I mean? I think we're going to limit it to probably like 100 people at each, at each venue. 100 cool people. 100 cool people. Yes. So thank you, Adam. I want to let you know.  How are we going to determine that? I'll figure it out. Don't worry. Okay. I trust you live Q and a at the at the war if at the war flagship event, we're going to have some gift boxes to give away. There's going to be the the mine pump, 25% discount code off of all apparel for the entire evening. And then at the mirror event, we're going to do founder story interview, open it up to Q and a. And then we have a very special product release at that event. No, I feel like I feel like you're trying to put like a little like a supreme twist. No, I'm pumped. Absolutely not. Let it what is it? I mean, is this going to be like a reveal all this is this going to be something that like you can only get you can only get it if you attend the event. Okay. Well, that's what I meant by this. Okay, so nobody else gets it. No, we won't sell it on the website. We won't give it away.   And one more announcement today, right, Doug? Yeah, this is the final day for the no BS six pack formula. What you say it's the final day. What do you say it's the last final. There's no more days left after this one. I got really loud there. That was very loud. You're off to turn that one down. No more my year. No more mules for Justin.  So listen, final day to get the no BS six pack formula for free. If you enroll today in any of our maps bundles, that's where we put several maps programs together and discount them 20, 30% off. You'll get the no BS six pack formula for free. Go to mine pump media.com and sign up now if you want that program. Also, if you have any questions, you can go to that site. There's videos under each of the programs where you can learn more. Again, the site is mine pump media.com. Yeah, dude, you're like, you're like Yanni, bro. I have a picture. Look at this picture. Yeah. Yanni was this synthesizer musician. Bro. That was kind of popular in the 80s and 90s. Never heard of him. Women in their 40s really liked him. They thought he was really hot.  You're being sarcastic right now.  What do you mean? Yanni, bro. You know who Yanni was? No, no, no, no, no. Y-A-N-N-I. Watch. Let me show you guys something. Just Google it. Let me see. Did you make a picture of it? I did. A long time ago. I never posted it because he's so sensitive. Y-A-N-N-I. Y-A-N-N-I. Y-A-N-N-I. The jabs begin already. Y-A-N-N-I. No, I'm just considering him. He's my friend. It's one way to welcome Taylor to the podcast today. I'm just saying. Hey, same reason why he won't post pictures of me sleeping anymore. I've learned my lesson. Yeah, I had to pull it down quick. Man, it's a family time this weekend with us. It's been nice, right? We're finally getting to sit down and chill a little bit. What did you do in a great time here so far? What did you think about the response? Oh, here we go. Who's down there? Oh, my gosh. It's spot on. Am I lying? Don't be wrong. Definitely, Y-A-N-I. Oh, absolutely. You didn't show me that. No? No. That's money right there. No, you look good, though. Look at you. You look fierce. Yeah, I'm OK with that. He looks fierce. It's because I used to bad pick the first one. It was terrible. You're right. It was awful. I would never post a photo of you like that. You know what? And I appreciate that. You know what? I don't want to ruin that. You know what I mean? So that's why I didn't post it. He just did like a mild threat to you. Do you realize he did? He's like, I would never. Because I have a lot. I have a lot of clothes. I picked up on it, dude. Very clear. Very clear. What did you guys think of the event this year versus the last? Well, we almost didn't go, man. I know. We almost didn't head over there. We had what? I think we have seven or eight interviews lined up. And a lot of our friends are over there. But it ended up working out to where we had so many interviews that I didn't know if we're going to be able to have time to head over there. And I think everybody felt like, well, whatever, you know. Sure. No, I'm glad we went, though. Yeah. It was a good response there. It seemed, I noticed Bulletproof wasn't there. Yeah. Did you guys see that? Am I tripping? No, there was no presence at all. They had a huge, like last year, didn't they have like an entire stage? No, yes. That whole back section where all the main speakers would speak was sponsored by Bulletproof. And then they even had like their own booth with all the vibrating plates. And they went all crazy last year. Yeah. And nothing. Nothing. I wonder how much that hurts. Is that because Bulletproof is doing, are they doing their own, you said? Yeah. Well, who do you think it hurts? Do you think it hurts the PaleoFX? Or do you think it hurts Bulletproof? It's not hurt Bulletproof. No, no, no, that's what I mean. Yeah, I don't think it was Paleo that said we don't want you here. Well, do you think there was less? I felt like there was just as many companies that were sponsoring things. I mean, I even noticed that the, like some of the signs and stuff like that were sponsored by people. Like Ben Greenfield was sponsoring the little name tag of the things that we had. Oh, OK. They're going to monetize every piece of it. Yeah, that's what I think. I think that they're hustling and making all kinds of money on it, for sure. Yeah, but Bulletproof was interesting that they weren't there because they were like, they've been a staple there forever, I think. I don't know about forever.  I don't know how old Paleo is. Well, listen, Paleolithic's a long time. That's a long time, for sure. I mean, it was around the dinosaur. The first Paleo convention. Right. Rocks. No. What I thought what I thought was cool was when Sal and I went to LA last year, it was cool. We went without Justin. No, so much better. Well, let me tell you. Let me tell you the difference. When other guy didn't make it, you know what I mean? Dude, I'm so glad you made your name tag. That you know how many comments you got on that. That was so great. I was trying to be all like sly and like subtle about it. And everybody saw it. It was the response. But that was what I was saying about being in LA was that you guys didn't get a chance to see the response in LA. And that was the first time that we had gone somewhere and seen that kind of response.  I think we have people that we have impacted their lives in a way that they want to let us know. And that shit's really, it's fulfilling on another level that I didn't realize would be because I thought for sure, here we are at a fitness expo in LA when Sal and I went and we got this line of people that are waiting to talk to us.  And it wasn't like that at all. Almost everybody that was in line wanted to tell us how much we've helped them or share what's going on in their relationship and stuff like that. Dude, yesterday was great. We were at the convention yesterday and we're seeing all these people, we're seeing all these people that recognize us, we're having all these great conversations. On the way out, I turned around because Justin wasn't next to me anymore and there was a, of course I'm not gonna say her name or whatever, it was a young lady talking to him and she was crying and I'm like, what? So I walk over there and she tells us that, I mean, I guess she had some health issues a long time ago and she felt very alone and mind pump, she said, was the thing that really helped her through the whole thing and she was crying and we all got emotional. Listen to this, I mean, it was crazy, I've never experienced anything like this. I've never, yeah, and I know it's funny because it kind of ran into her today and it was, she was a little bit like, ah, I'm sorry, I came forward with that right away, but I was like, it was so real that like, I didn't really know what to do, I just like hugged her and was like, it was so contagious, like I told, I told you guys a long time ago, somebody's like right next to me and crying, it affects me, like it kind of did. Oh, bro, you're gonna justify it? That wasn't fucking, that was the truth. I cried, I was crying, I'm just gonna say it, I cried, I cried that day, it was good, it was good for you.  I'm just kidding. I knew it, it was a powerful story. No dude, no man, I just, I don't know, like I've never heard somebody, like if our words had, you know, got through to them like that, like impacted them in that way, cause we're just talking and bullshitting to each other all the time and we just don't see these people that are listening. No, it feels like, it's a responsibility, you know, I feel like we have a responsibility to make sure that what we say is helpful and accurate and that we stay true to what, you know, the reason why we started the show. Sorry, that's a scary thought. And when I hear that, well, yeah, well, we can't, I mean, we're not, obviously nobody's perfect, but when you hear something like that, it's like, man, this is, this is pretty crazy, really awesome. Yeah. It was a pretty cool feeling. Yeah, it was definitely my favorite moment. Yeah. So far. Now Taylor, I know you weren't very excited to go to Paleo Road. No, no. It's not my favorite event. No, you weren't feeling it whatsoever, dude. But what'd you think about it? I mean, what, so far? It was cool. It was cool to see, you know, some of the, some of the fans get to interact with you guys. I mean that, that's to me is, is something that is neat because you, you know, you get to hear the podcast and this is what I was talking about. There's a lot of parallels between music and podcasting, right? And this is where your fans get a chance to interact with you. Can we call them our friends? Your friends. What? Can we change it? How can we change things? Cause I just don't, because I feel weird. Well, it's not that it feels weird is that I'm not interested in having fans. Yeah. But I like friends. Okay. And I like people that I, I like being around people that I like. And more than likely if you listen to the show that much buds. You know what I mean? Like you're listening, you're hanging out with us for a long time. You've been for like two years.  I've been hanging out for two years. We'll start texting back when I've met you. Well, then I just say, well, we're not that close of friends. Yeah. We're friends, right? Yeah. We're not that close of friends. Yeah. No, I just, I think fans seems. I know what I mean. I know how you feel about that. It seems narcissistic to me because again, in my opinion there, I don't think there's anything really special about us that we should have fans. But I think that it's cool that we have impacted lives in a positive way.  But every one of those people that I've ever met that we've impacted lives, I now consider them a friend. So I would rather think of it like, hang out with your friends or hang out with more friends or whatever. But I, the fans think, I don't know. I just, and I think it's the culture right now with everybody trying to be an influencer and be like a popular influencer. Yes. Bit influencer. Bit influencer. Like, no, that's not really my desired outcome. It's not to become an influencer. I think we want to shed light on a lot of things and have some fun. Right. And it's an important responsibility too, because what you could say could impact somebody else. And so it's just, I don't know. It's very fascinating. It's an interesting position to be in. But I don't know. I tell you it's, this convention was, here's something I'd like to say about the convention. I will say this. All these health conventions, whether they're bodybuilding or, we talked about this last time too, bodybuilding or fitness or, you know, wellness or paleo or whatever, you have your people there who have really good information. Then you also have a lot of the bullshitters. It's not that different from the bodybuilding. Not at all. Fitness supplement industry.  So you don't see as many of the, you know. No, you just traded out water jugs and stringers for blue blockers and Jesus sandals. Yeah. Yeah. That's accurate.  But there was some, there was some things there. That camel though. Yeah. There were camels. But then there's some shoes. Those shoes are terrible. Yeah. What was that? Oh, those flat shoes?  I was like, if these guys look at Taylor and I, they're like, Hey, you guys in the shoe, guys, you guys should put them on. This is exactly what we wouldn't put them on, dude. It's like disrespectful to our feet. It was like regular shoes. The uncleanest pair of shoes I've ever seen. The shapey insides of them. I was like, wow. What a terrible business. Let me make you shorter here. Put these on. That went into this, didn't it? Yeah. Well, no, there was other things too, like put on this metal thing and it's going to balance out your electrons and do all kinds of things. Oh, that pad. How about when Doug and Adam got in the zone? That was uncomfortable, by the way. Maybe the highlighted thing. That was the most intimate moment. Maybe the highlighted thing. I got to straddle Adam. It was a beautiful moment. We don't go to strip clubs, but we do stuff like that. I'm glad they do it. They were so close that Adam had to whisper in his ear when he went in.  I had to talk to him like this, like, all right, Doug, we're out of here. I wanted to keep, you know, taking pictures as long as I could to keep you guys in there like together, you know, just sweating it out. You know what I thought was- I wanted to show like making pictures to Adam so he actually only gets a bone away. All of a sudden, I grew by two inches. Doug's moving. Doug said he grew by two inches. I don't like this. What about that vitamin shop company? That was interesting. That was interesting. Yeah, they were giving out free vitamin B12 and B5 shots, which if you have malabsorption issues, you'll notice. If you don't, you probably don't notice anything. So I don't get it. Does this company just shot in the butt? Does this company just travel around and they sell shots or like, I don't understand. So I think what these places are, they're like, did you guys just miss a high five?  I was like, you got a high five of them and I ghosted them. I'm going to remember for that one. So what these places- Listen, you're in my environment now, buddy.   There we go. I'm not going to talk anymore. Sorry, go ahead gentlemen. You never stop. Let's make it all about you guys. Keep going. I'm more interested in your story over there. I'm going to strike. I'm going to strike. I don't remember what I was talking about. B12. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Doug was the only one listening. I was listening. Thank God we have Doug. That's what I do for a living. Listen. They're these intravenous, where they give intravenous vitamins and nutrients like L-carnitine for fat mobilization or choline for your brain. I don't know how effective they are. But they gave us free shots, which is pretty- I didn't even know if they put it in mine. They dropped your pants and they sanded in. So bad. They gave you more. Doug's being himself. That's your last drink. That's your last drink. Cut him off, Justin. Sure, sure. This is why we don't put that on the podcast. I love it. What I'm interested in is- We want more. How does a company like that, what I was asking was how do they make money if you have to literally inject the shot into people? They have clinics. I think they have clinics or they can come to events and give them to people and they charge money for them. Are they hustling just events? Because I can't imagine having a clinic that would that support- No, they have them. They have them. Oh, they do. What do they like that? What do they like in LA?  Yeah, so it's the same thing. But let's say you drink too much the night before, you want to get IV. Oh, the IV was them, too. In Vegas, too. Okay. Oh, so if you've actually seen them before. Yeah. I didn't know that.  Now, did you guys feel anything from your shots? Nah, I didn't really. I did. Doug said he did. Yeah, I felt good. My right cheek is still a little weird.  Oh, that was good. It's probably the caffeine. Yeah, I don't know. You know what I mean? But I mean, I felt good the next day.  Well, I know a lot of like nurse guys and firefighters that after they get drunk. You have to say nurse guys. Nurse dudes. Is there a nurse guys? I don't know any nurse nurses, girls, women that do this. I know guys that it's like, yeah.  Oh, that does sound like a guy thing for sure. Yeah, exactly. That's I wanted to clarify. Yeah.  Oh my God. Could you imagine? Yeah. I've heard of it a lot. Yeah. Like as if you would needed something that would encourage you to go hard. That's like Wolf of Wall Street stuff. Like that really. Or billions. Yeah, billions. Exactly. They really do have companies that will do that. Yeah.  I think what you'd be worried about is that someone would abuse it because they know that. But it would be nice to have that on hand. I mean, I'd love to have. No, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah.  And there's a lot of placebo that can happen from some of those. If you don't need an IV, you're not going to do anything for you. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's if you need one.  Your wife's a nurse.  She could be our own personal, you know. So hydrate or rehydrate. So you've never tried that after a crazy night of drinking and then in the next day you feel hungover? No, man. But now my wheels are spinning. You know, I never thought of using that. Yeah, I want you to try it. I mean, if you've got the wife at home that can do it. I just want to hear. She's like a champion, too, of like doing the IV.  And she's creepy. Get away from me. You know what I mean? She's always looking at people's veins. Yeah. That's a funny nurse thing, dude. It is. I've got a bunch of nurses that follow me from back when I was doing all my bodybuilding pictures. They have all these vascular pictures.  Like, oh, I can't. The kissy emoji. You know, I get the kissy emoji from all my nurses. Dude, how about that? And then like the dudes, right? Dudes like that. Like, oh, yeah. Nice veins, guys. Throbbing. And then the nurses. That's it. Amazing. What about Paul? He got a reception. He got over there. Dude, he's killing it. He was surrounded by people all the time. I came up and kissed him on his bald head from behind. Dude, I wish I would have saw that. Oh, nobody got it on film. I'm so sad about that. No, my favorite part is he's wearing these little tiny like runner shorts while he's doing this class. Yeah, they're like. And Adam commented on the shorts. I said, yo, you wear the long ones today or what? So Paul, he turns around and he hikes them up and gives himself a wedgie. Yeah. Like both cheeks completely exposed for everybody. It was amazing. Just great, great glutes, by the way. Oh, yeah. Very impressive glutes. Totally took what you did and took it to the next. Oh, yeah. That's why he's so great. I can't wait to interview him tomorrow. He's all over the place now. He seems to be everywhere. I remember we first sat ahead of him on the show. Not a lot of people in our space that kind of knew who he was. Like the hardcore people were. Kyle knew who he was. Kyle Kingbury was a, was a follower. I think took one of his courses. Yeah. But now he's like all over the place. What do you think the funniest moment was? Of this whole thing. Yeah. Justin on the pole was pretty great. That was epic. I don't know what that was. It was just there. No, I'll tell you the funniest thing that happened. Okay. We walk in to paleo. We're feeling hyper. I hear Justin.  Somebody's booth and they had these like chairs, these big, like beanbag type chairs and you pick it up. He started. I was nervous because I was like embarrassed. I was like, oh my God, this guy.  They're like I'm extremely displaying it.   Some guys picks it up. I was so embarrassed. Oh my God. We're here for five minutes. We're going to get to fight. Dude, I'm going to kick your chairs around.  It sounded like a great bit in my head. I'm like, oh, this will be funny. And yeah, nobody reigned them in because we were filming you. The worst part is I was looking back like he was going to do something. He didn't do it. The cameras are terrible. It was bad. It's a good one. This is what is our fifth year? Is it or fourth or fifth year going? What two? No, no, no, fifth or fourth, fifth or fifth time being here. Excuse me. Being an Austin. Oh, it's your thing. It's our second time at Paleo. Four, four. This is number four. Yeah. What a great town. Oh, I think it has to be my one of my favorite cities. Everybody's so active, man. And yeah, I just love the energy here. I don't know what it is, but usually when you go out or just hang out, like there's always some riffraff, you know, going around. There's not a whole lot of that. Riffraff, you know? How many of these old terms? A lot of riffraffers out there. A lot of scrimmage scrams. Scrimmage scrams. You know what's great? You can walk downtown. You could never have, what is that, Sixth Street or Rainy Street? Sixth Street. Right. You could never have a Sixth Street in San Jose, even though we have a Sixth Street. We have a Sixth Street, but our Sixth Street does not look like that Sixth Street. People would knife each other and just weird shit, dude, just for no reason.  San Jose is horrible. It's like all these sausages just fighting each other. That's what Justin said. What are you doing, Justin? When people would guys fight, you just picture sausages. I'd be cool if they were naked. That'd be a cool fight. That's not what I'm thinking. What are you talking about? He's at a sausage party. He's at a sausage on the brain since this morning. You're the one that started it. It's on there, but I like only sausages. Eat it, it's your fault, dude. What are you talking about? It's a cool town. It's a really cool, dude, the gym. We got to give him a shout out. Big Tex. Big Tex, yeah. Is that the name of the gym? Yep. Oh man, that's the business. Bro, so there's, and there's people who like are really into working out. We'll understand this. Gems, you know, you have equipment. You have like the lighting and the layout and all that stuff. And that's all important. But then there's also an energy or a vibe. A culture, dude. A culture. And that vibe in there, man. Dude, I'm so great. You made a point that you have to, I think you have to touch on that. I think it's important that people do not realize this. We've been, each of us have been around thousands of gyms right between all of us. And, you know, people are very intimidated by those gyms because there's heavy weight getting clanged and big muscle. Yeah.  Death metal and tattoos. Yes. But then it's the craziest part is you talk to one of those guys inside that gym about working out or nutrition. They'll stop their work out to talk. And help you. Yes. I'm going to tell you something right now, 100%. Super nice.  And if you go in there and you need help or you're doing something wrong, wait and see how long it takes it until someone comes out to you. They won't. No one's going to help you.  You go into a place like this. That's hardcore. Those people treat it very seriously, but not in a bad way in the sense that if you're a beginner and you go in there and you're doing an exercise, people will help you out. If you have a question, they'll take their time to help you. Everybody's super friendly. Everyone's going to shake your hand. Hey, welcome to the gym. Sharing equipment, whatever. It's a great, great, great environment. But it's also got that like, like you want to work out hard in there. Yeah. There's nothing else to do but work out. That's what I love about it. You got rid of all the distractions and all the fluff. And it's like, dude, if you're there, like, what are you doing? Dude, the old equipment that they had on there was so, did you guys see the leg extension? Yeah. Why is it? It's old as hell. It's rickety. It's like more appealing. Maybe it's because. Well, you know what? Well, maybe because we grew up on equipment like that. Maybe probably. See, I think there's something about those like grit, almost all the machines and the pads for the benches and things like that are the best when they're broken in. I mean, it's hard leather. And when those things are like 30 years old, so that they have cracks in them.  So it's like literally. That's what I love when I get into it. It's like it's all, it's like a good pair of shoes that have been worn in really good or a pair of jeans.  That's what I was going to say. Like you're following in the footsteps of. That's what I was going to say.  I just think it's funny because it's a typical gym that an average female client that I know I've trained would be scared of, would be scared of. That would be the best place to work. Right. Where she would actually be more accepted, probably help more and. Respected. Yeah. Helped.  Well, hold on a sec. You've been in a lot of gyms with us. How was that environment compared to the others? I mean, because we're in their film and culture in it, but it had a good culture. Look at the jab, bro. Look at the jab. You're on the mics for five minutes. You're already throwing jabs. No, it was cool. No, but I mean, because when we're in there, we're setting up cameras. The owners were super nice. Super nice. And everybody was super hospitable. And it was just, you could feel it. And that's part of the reason I never like, you know, when I would go work out with Manny, you'd always want to go to gold. I'm like, bro, I can't go there. I can't go there. You don't like the vibe there? No. Yeah. It's not welcoming. It's got that pretentious vibe. I don't need, I already know, I already don't know what I'm doing. I don't need to like feel worse about. You know what though? That's not, that's the difference between, cause gold is a serious gym too. Typically, not always. We went to another one that was, seemed like a 24. It was very strange. But, but gold is typically, if it's a serious, you know, pretty good one. You have a lot of bodybuilders that work out at golds typically. And the bodybuilding culture is. Different than power is different than the strength athlete culture. Way more narcissistic. Is that a powerlifting gym? No, it's, there's bodybuilders and stuff that work out there too, but it's definitely, I mean it's got a freaking powerlifting. Powerlifting. What is that? The hoist or whatever machine? It's, it'll be more known for powerlifting. It's definitely, you know, you've got power lifters and strength athletes in there. You saw like a little bit of everybody there. You saw like beginners and you saw the really advanced people. Yeah. Everybody blended in real nice. And it's student athletes. Yeah. There was power lifters, bodybuilders. It was a lot of people. I think it was just that they collectively had like, all those different cultures combined in one. But yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing.   So your ego isn't as fucking, you know, bodybuilders are little, can be a little different, you know, about the way they look and it's about the show and all that stuff. And it's a different vibe. I don't like them. There's some cool ones too though. Let's be real. Yeah. We work with one. One of them got your check every week. It's, you know what though? It's true though. It is, I mean, it's based on your looks. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, it couldn't, it's can't get more narcissistic than that. Right. So it's rare that you find someone who's not. And it's, and so I have empathy because I, I know that I fell into it at a much older, wiser part of my life where I could see, could consume people. And I watched it consume people. I can see people getting caught up in it. And, and so it does kind of drive it feeds an ego. And so I can, I can get it. I understand. And so, I think a lot of them don't mean to be that way. I think they're so self-indulged that you don't, you don't really pay attention to where I feel like the, the power living community, like if you're somebody who has just a strength world, they tend to encourage each other.  You've worked for many, many years to get to up to that, whatever that weight is your appreciation for the grind and the struggle and everything like that is a little bit different. It's different. And I think that seeing a new person come in and like just getting started and not knowing what they're doing, like you want them to like, to break through. And like you want them to know that like it's a long road, you know, I didn't just start lifting 700 pound deadlifts just yesterday and that, you know, put it, I think that you get that kind of a vibe from a gym. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of like the, when I would do, you know, study Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, you know, there's people definitely with big egos that would want to do Jiu-Jitsu because they want to be tough.    Or if you have a really bad ego, you get your arm broken and you don't come back or you get put to sleep and you get embarrassed or something like that. So it's just, your ego is checked a lot.  We're going to feel like in powerlifting or strength sports. Yeah. With that, it's suggesting strength sports. You either lift it or you don't. You're either a strong motherfucker or you're not, or it's a lot of people acting like they're a badass. And it doesn't matter what you look like at all. In fact, it's all about what you can do. It has nothing to do with what you look like.  And so because of that, I think it fosters different person. It shows a lot. It fosters different personalities.  Yeah, you got to say that's true. Yeah. No, there's some fucking, I mean, Ben Picolsky, a good buddy of ours. I mean, yeah, yeah, super cool. Yeah. Another super, super cool guy. Yeah. No, I think we, I think we've definitely attached ourselves to guides, guys in that world that are really, really cool. What's your favorite, what's their favorite gym ever that you've ever worked out in? If you had to name one. Ever, ever, ever ever that you've ever worked out. That Reno, that Reno one's one of my favorite. That's your, that's one of your favorite gyms. Yeah. That's one of the first. That's one of the first ones that come to mind. What's it called? The Reno Athletic Club. Okay. Either that one, I really like Ben Picolsky's gym is legit. Ben's gym is definitely in the top for me. Yeah. Definitely in the top for me. But number one is a tough one because I have a, I have an affinity for the old, the old 24 fitness on Parkmore, which used to be a gold's gym only because I worked out there at a relatively young age. So I have a different attachment to it. Yeah. So it just kind of brings back and it's got my favorite pull over machine, I've had a lot of places and for whatever reason, I like that machine. But I think to the, I think the other day at the big techs one, that's got to be one of my, that's got to probably number one and Ben's gym, I would say is too very close though. Cause I love Ben's gym too. Ben's gym, if you want to go and you want to, I would put those one, two, three. And I don't know how it order them or it'd be in the mood. I mean, right? Yeah.  I mean, I really liked the whole layout of it. One has a basketball court and all that. So that's kind of a touch. But if you caught me in the middle of prep and I'm like getting after it, if I have, if I have business to accomplish. Yeah. That I would rather be somewhere. I want to be someone to big techs. Yeah. Yeah. That's the type of place that I want to be. If I'm fucking, I want to be motivated by the environment completely. Yeah. In fact, in fact, we didn't even say this.  When we were filming and because we had to drink a little bit too much than I before. And the vibe of the gym made us all, we all decided like, all right, let's just get it. Yeah. We're going to go for it and, you know, have a good workout. So Taylor, you're pretty athletic person. When you go to a gym, what are you attracted to in a gym? Like what pulls you into a workout besides the women? Honestly, it's like the way it looks. The aesthetics of the actual gym. A hundred percent. God, that hurts my heart. You like to kind of the club one vibe or like the, what's your like, I would want to go to Equinox. Oh, okay. So you would like the Reno Athletic Club then. It's a little too posh. Yeah. Well, that one's a lot. That's kind of bodybuilders too, though. Oh, no. I like the technology aspects of Equinox though. Yeah. I like how forward they are. Have you been to court side in Los Gatos? I think I played, I used to play basketball there. Yeah. So it's kind of like a resort kind of. Is that what you're looking for? No, I would like Equinox. Okay. I wish that I wish there was one like closer. They have one in Palo Alto, but it's kind of like, really? Justin, what about you? What's been your favorite gym of all time? I think, hmm, it's between the Reno one, since Adam, I remembered that one. I think, honestly, the big text one reminded me a lot of when I was in, in high school, because we were saying that it was like almost identical. Except it was like, you take maybe like a quarter section of that gym.  And then I would even come back and work out there. When I went to college in Chicago, and I had this whole summer, you know, I would train with the high school team. And we would just train in that same gym, just because it was like, it was just that thing where everybody just did their, did their work and did their workout and everybody was there. And everybody's super motivated.  So I'm going to have to trump the Reno and go with the big checks. Yeah. You know, it's funny because we all have emotional attachments to these gyms. Cause I know, I know how you guys answer fastest question.  What is that? How weird is that? And I knew they would answer the same way. Cause we saw plates like that over there. And all of us were like, Oh my favorite sound is the sound of multiple 45, jingling, jingling when you squat. It's got that body, that old school. Yeah. That's so crazy that you guys would take like, take or gravitate towards that versus like just brand new equipment or just like the, the baddest. Right.  It is a spiritual experience.  So a great, if you, and look at the culture, you see how many squat racks and deadlift platforms were inside that gym? I was like, there must have been eight or nine of each throughout the whole entire gym.  They had Atlas stones. I mean they had Atlas stones.  They had a boxing, they even have a boxing ring. If you keep it, yeah, very cool. But no, I dug it a lot. Yeah. I don't want no TVs, no TVs, no TVs going on or nothing like that. Like, if I see enough, there's days when I'm in the spa mood. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to get a nice one in Portland. Right. See, there's days where I'm in that. I can appreciate all of them. Right. I don't get me wrong. Yeah. But for, for me, a workout, I've been doing that. Remember, I've been doing this since I was 14 years old, right? For me, it's it's almost like a spiritual experience. No joke. Like I'm in there and I lose myself more and better in the gym working out than I do doing anything else. It's so meditative. It's so time stands still. There's nothing like being connected to my body, feeling what it's doing, especially if I'm feeling especially strong or if I have a lot of energy. And it's just you little, I literally feel like I'm unstoppable. In fact, I remember, you know, when I was married and towards the end of my marriage, when it was very difficult, like if I did a workout, I felt like, Oh, I think we could maybe, you know, we could have a good conversation. I just feel so good. I feel like I can handle anything. Is that like flow state for you? Definitely. I mean, it's not every time I work out, but definitely I can get to flow state when I'm, when I'm in a good training session. 100%. And it's, it's my favorite. It's one of my favorite feelings in the world. What are all the areas? I know there's, okay, so I feel it on an occasion and work out through that, not all of them. And it has to be, you have to really be in a rhythm. It's only for me, it's when everything's dialed in, right? I've been training consistently for a while. My nutrition is on point. Like, I know it's like a great time for me to be lifting. I rested really well. Everything's perfect. Yeah. And I've already thought about my workout coming in like, then I put my favorite playlist on and then I, I drop right in to me. Those, those moments happen. They don't happen all the time, but I definitely experienced those in weightlifting. I experienced that in snowboarding and I experienced that playing basketball. Those three things that off the top of my head are the three main areas that I can connect with, like reading, stealing fires, rise of Superman, like that feeling that they explain a flow state. And it's, it's nuts. When you, when you think about it like, cause the best thing I think in the book describes, it's like the way time goes. It's a trip. It's all, you don't realize how much time has passed because you're so deep into it. And I think that's one of the best ways to explain this cause people always ask like, what does that feel like? Like what exactly does it feel like? You become free from your own neurotic process. Yeah. That's what it is. You become so present in the moment that like time stops in a sense, dude. That's what I mean. You're literally, it's relieving because you're, you get relief from your own neurotic thought process.  It feels great when that happens. So now the gym, the gym for me can do that.  You make, if you make love like real making love, that's like flow state.  Right? You're in that. There's been times when I've been exploded. I know that. Boom. No, that's a great, that is true. That's a very good, again, timeless, right? Yeah. Again, it's one of those things where it's like, oh, we, we had sex for an hour. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? She's like, no, 10 minutes. Yeah. It felt like an hour. Epic. Maybe for you. That's hilarious. There's been times too, and I've been with my kids and we'll be doing something happening in Yosemite when we were hiking or sometimes even sitting on the couch and watching a movie with them. And I'll have them both on your side of me. And I'll just look at them. And then you have, I have this overwhelming sense of like euphoria. That's like, almost like a flow state, but a little bit different. So I've experienced that then. I've also experienced it racing in my car. I used to drive really fast. Oh yeah. And I had a lot of tickets. How fast does it get to go? Oh my gosh. I knew it was coming. That's before. I think it has a governor on 80. Doesn't it? Sal at like 80 on the freeway. Like flow state. So I'm please get a picture of that. Like. Hashtag flow state. No, when I was a kid, dude, when I was a kid, I drive hella slow now.  That dad speed is strong. Those are good points. You know, it's obviously moments of like danger and things that you've practiced for a really long time. Right. So like the snowboarding, the wakeboarding, the sports that like I've been hurt doing and you could definitely get really hurt. And then you've gotten good at it because you've done it so much. That's when I feel like it happens. Like I don't think it's like just snowboarding in general happens for everybody. I think somebody might do snowboarding and be over, be overthinking the whole process. Oh my God. This is scary. The snow slippery. Oh my God. I don't my feet. I can't turn them. I don't know how to feel them. You're thinking about all. You're still distracted. It's obviously a thought. It's obviously a state of mind. Oh, you know, it's happened to me learning sometimes. Sometimes I'll read something. It gets so into it and gets so consumed. Right. That's a good example. I'll be up for five, six hours late at night. And it's, that happened when I, when I first came up with maps anabolic, which was that was a very strange. I was up till, I don't know, three, four o'clock in the morning, just reading and reading and reading a couple of times with that. So what about you? Justin, when you, as far as flow state goes. Yeah.  And it's just like, it's the nerves and it's the, the realization that things could go wrong. You know, things could always go wrong. And there's, there's definitely going to be impact. And there's going to be things, you know, that could go for me or against me. And so I just loved placing myself in a physical state of like, I uncertainty, like something could happen that was, you know, had dire impact. And so I had to react and like, when I was in the game and in the moment and reacting and seeing like plays and how they formed and, you know, calling things out to everybody else. And, and that was when I was, dude, super present. Does that happen to you last, this last time you played when you were recently? Wow. I was going to bring that up because even more so, like the most I've ever experienced in my life, because you're aware of it now. Yeah. That definitely, definitely that. But also, like I didn't practice for it. Like we didn't have any, like I didn't even know I was going to do it. Like I was like, nah, I'm not going to do it. This is sad. Yeah. Like I'm a grown-ass man. Like sad dad. Yeah. Like what am I doing? Like, why? Why? I don't really care. Like I'm not trying to prove anything. We used to call them a CBKs when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Come back kids when they used to give you, when we were in high school. Come back kids. Like you're that guy that's always like, I was the high school kid when the kid, the other guy that we was. We won the championship. The 19 year old, the 20, the 21 year old still coming back to our high school games. CBK. CBK. Yeah. So that's the thing. It was all about this mission for Wally and all these other like old kind of, it was like a has been kind of attitude and I didn't share it with them. I didn't share it with them the entire time.  And they're doing this. They're going to be out there. Like, am I going to sit on the sidelines and watch them?  I'm doing it. So I just decided to do it. It was literally maybe three days before the game where I was just like, okay, I guess I'm going to practice. So I went there. I was like, did you guys figure out any plays? And they're like, well, we kind of have like a couple ideas. And like, we went to like pizza after that. And we're like trying to figure it out. Great transition right there. And I'm like, okay, what do you got? And like, we're figuring it out. And then the next day we practice again. And then like our head coach who didn't want anything to do with this whole thing like showed up like the day before the game.  And he's like, no, like you don't really think it's a good idea. But you know, I believe in you guys, love you guys, blah, blah, blah.  You know that.  Or did it turn out right when you played? You know what I mean? Were you going into this like, okay, whatever. And then I was lackadaisical still. Like I didn't hit me. Like it wasn't real until there's this one. So sports are very ritualistic. You know, and Adam can kind of back me up on this. Why, why, why? And now we have to. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so there's this, there's this whole process. Which think about that for a second. Unpack why they do that.  Yes. Yes. Yes. It is, it is getting you like calming the mind down by doing something very ritualistic before you go into a sport that you got to perform that you could make a mistake that you could hurt yourself.  It's really like putting my armor on in a sense. You know, I was like putting my socks a certain way. I used to in high school time my shoes. And then I worked my way up.   I had to like get in my own headspace. Like nobody could talk to me before a game. That's just my thing. And like the rest of the team that knew that. And it was weird, man. I went back and then we, there's a spot like in the redwood. So where I went to school, there's this like really cool. It's like a national park, like behind us. So there's like a whole trail and everything, but we used to come like out of the woods into the field all like crazy.  It's so, or redneck. How are you going to say it? Either way, you want to find it.  Oh my God. Oh yeah.     I got the shark eyes.  Do you remember? Let's say that. Is it that bad? Say that on this podcast? We all, yeah. We had them, but ours wasn't that bad. We used to say over the pirates. So should I say this? I don't know. Maybe I'll give you mine first. And if it's not as bad or as it worse, that's okay. Go ahead. Our rival school was Sonora High School. And we probably used to get so crazy. We used to do, I mean, people would hide out. So there's one highway to get from their school to our school. It's like an hour and a half from each other.  You're coming into play us. And there's a, there's a, there's this area where there's two bills.   We're hitting the bus. It's a holster, but not like eggs, but yeah. We used to burn our logo into their field. Like, so we would get our school and we take gasoline and we pour it on the fucking, on the grass. So the next day we do the steel, the mascot thing.  But we used to say Sonora were the, were the men or men and so were the women. And Sonora and Sonora used to say that where Oakdale, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. So we used to, that was like the, those were like, so you go to these games, dude. We go to these big games, right? And always police everywhere and stuff like that. Cause there's times where the fans would rush the field or the court and the signs, you'd have all the signs and shit like that. It was crazy for when I went to school like that. We were hardcore. Cause we were a small town. And that was like, that's all you had to do. You don't say it was like, San Jose has a lot of high schools. You don't see that in San Jose. No, of course not. You wouldn't see that. Well, we were always underestimated because we're like the redneck, hillbilly, whatever, nobody school that's like way at the mountains that like, I mean, we didn't have a lot of people that went to our school.   That's where we just dominated people. Cause you know, there would be like times where we would run a hundred yards sprints and then the coach would be like, all right, you know, practice is over. And we would stay there until there was no light left just running on, just on our own. We just decided to do that. Wow. Thinking about how important that was to developing you as who you are today. Yeah. As far as work ethic and things like that, like how important is that role that that happened in your, in your huge impact? One of the most, one of the most important skills you can learn as a kid is that is to work hard, sacrifice and work hard. That will take you very, very, very far talent. There's so many people with, I'll tell you what, there's more people who with no talent, who work hard, who are very successful than there are people with a lot of talent who don't work hard, who are not successful. There's way fewer, way fewer people with talent who don't work hard, who are successful, way fewer. Hard work is it trumps it all. Oh no, I believe that hard work, there's a saying that goes with that hard work beats talent that talent that doesn't work hard. How's that close? Yeah. It was close, right? It was close. Don't worry. Somebody will correct me. Plus, plus we're looking forward to the DMs next week. But it's also empowering.  Hard work is something that you control yourself. Yes. And it's, and it's, it's a, it's a growth mindset. It's literally saying, How much do you, how much do you guys think that exists and how much do you think it's fair? Like, do you think that we all, every, do you believe this, some people subscribe to this, that every human has a talent or a capability to develop and be great at it. And just some people never do that. No, I don't think that. I think statistically you can see that. That's not true. But I do think this. Oh, yeah. Say that. Why?  No, no, no. Statistically it doesn't. Let's wait a minute.  It's extremely rare. It's extremely, extremely rare. Well, yeah, but yeah, but what you're not factoring in with that is that it's rare because there's a lot of conditions that people grew up a certain way. And they've been, they've now constructed this thought process in their head and they don't think about it the same way as you or I think about it. And so it looks like they have no talents because they don't develop or work, work towards it. I think that's a, I think that's a, that's a, it's a nice thought. Unfortunately, and here's a problem and here's a problem when you, when you romanticize something to make it sound like everybody has an opportunity and it's not being genuine. It actually hurts people because then they believe, well, I worked really hard and why didn't I get in the NBA or I worked really hard and why am I not a famous, you know, well, yeah, but okay, again, I think, I think what people think is that, and I'm not saying this, I'm not saying that anybody can work hard enough to develop a talent that they want. I know what you're saying. You think that there's some kind of talent.  Like, I think when you look at, when you look at evolution and genetics, most people are going to be more similar than not and very few people are going to be on the end. Outliers on both sides. Outliers and, you know, the ones that are really at the outliers and we have combinations of talent and hard work and that's where it's just, that's where crazy, ridiculous things happen. Well, this is why I always trip out that you're not a sports fan because I think there's the best example and expression of that in professional sports. That is the exact, we are now at a place in science where we understand the human, we don't know it all, but we understand a lot about the human body. We understand about what body type should be playing the sport. And we now know if you start early, put the work in early on and work hard your whole life. And when that hits, when talent, genes hits that crazy hard work, we see these expressions of athletes like the LeBron James type of players that it's just, it's unhuman life. You see it in all aspects though. You don't just see it in sports. So especially in all creative fields, you see any creative field, pick anything out, whether it's writing music or creating technology or whatever, you have a few people that create most of the products. You have a few people that have most of the patents. There's a few people that have most of the art that sells for millions of dollars or who write most of the award-winning music. So that's, so there's a very small percentage, but I think my point with hard work is regardless of where you're at, hard working hard and sacrificing would lead to a typically a better life. Well, it'll lead to growth. No matter what. No matter what it'll lead to growth. It'll get you in the right mentality. That's right. You'll be able to find that space and it's something that is useful, depending on what you're doing. But yeah, you reminded me of music. I totally forgot about music as being one of my biggest influencers to get me into the flow state. Yeah, you dummy. What did you do? You have a guitar.  The guitar nurse to go. No, like I remember playing. And you totally get into flow. I mean, you're flowing even when there's not even a guitar there. I don't need anybody. You know, it's just me, me and Lou, not Lucille's Veronica. You named your guitar Veronica. Yeah, Veronica. Archie comics. Remember that? Oh, is that why? Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love those. My wife hates this.  Yeah. I'm gonna spend some time Veronica downstairs. It'll be back, you know.  I was, I had, I have some classical training in piano. And then I just was like, I was bored. You know, I'm like, you can only play so much Mozart and, you know, not trying to go to sleep. But I really enjoy classical music. I'm just kind of joking. But yeah, I, I decided that I wanted to play guitar and I'm like, okay, I just figured it out. And later on that led into me playing music with some guys when I went to college and, and, you know, was actually in a band and we, we were on stage.  And it's just like, oh my God, it was like terrifying. Like the first time I did that was like, I couldn't, my hand cramped up. Like I had all this weird like anxiety. Like it was, it was so strange. Like, because the way that we opened up the show too was like, I was out there by myself. No, I pulled it off. Like the first few notes was terrible. I was like, like, I almost lost my pick. Oh God. I was fucked. But yeah, I pulled it together, but it was like, it was the same thing. It was that sports thing.  And after that, I was just like, oh my God, I don't know what it is. Everybody, like something about music when everybody has the same kind of directed energy, they're like throwing that same energy right back at you that you're throwing at them with that unconscious music. Bro, you're making music. You're harmonizing. It was like, I don't know what it is, man.  That's helping, you're connecting over something, you know, external. That's pretty, that's pretty. So yeah, I totally love, that's one of my favorite, favorite things and to experience is just a bit to, I don't know, to like have people like getting into what you're doing on that level.  Does it work like that? Yeah, bad habits. I have, yeah. And, you know, what's cool is I've, I know that about myself, you know, it's just like, it's very relatable to fitness where you're golf, golf too, right? Yeah, I know, golf. Speaking of golf, we start, listen, if we start talking about golf, Taylor's gonna be talking for an hour. Sorry. It's golf season. Yeah, we'll get to golf. Yeah, for sure. We'll get to that next. That's the same. Like, I actually decided that, you know, maybe I should take some lessons. Maybe I should, should, you know, tweak some skills, just mainly to give me and I, like a whole new range that I can kind of work with and figure things out on my own. Cause I love, I love like when new skills kind of open up new creativity. Yeah. So, like I've, I've actually like hired Mike, the nine string guitarist. Oh yeah. Mike Gianelli, I think his last name is, sorry, Mike, I didn't talk that up, but he's dude, I watched his Instagram all the time. He's just, he just shreds. He's so good. Yeah. He's fire. I just, you know who he is right now. Yeah. No, I meant, he's actually been in the studio a couple of times. Yeah. I've been there when Justin and him are practicing stuff. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I thought that was pretty cool. So yes. He's teaching me some scales and I'm just working on things slowly.  How cool was a top golf the other night? Yeah. It was a fascinating business idea. A fascinating business idea. It was like pulling teeth to get you to go. Well, it's, it's golf. I don't know what it was and I was tired, but we got better. Yeah. Well, I mean, the drinks kept coming. Hey, I beat Adam in the first game. I knew I was never going to put this down. Like, Oh, that's right. He killed me in horse. I got to stop saying that. I got to stop saying on the athletic guy.  I can't beat Sal one time. Taylor, it's weird, right? Every time. I remember, do you remember when you nailed that shot in the studio? Yes. Wouldn't Adam bet you the car? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. We have a lot of witnesses. Taylor was there. I forgot. You owe me a car, dude. It's coming. Don't worry. It's coming. I would not forget that. I was halfway down the freaking entire studio and we had this tiny basketball. Mini hoop. Mini hoop that you have over a door. Blew my mind. And I had like a little ball in my hand. Thank you. Swish. Oh yeah. Kobe. If you make that, I'll buy you a car. I'd get a $100,000 shot. Dude, I would give someone a hundred thousand shots again to try and make that. It was that great. The ball in the, in the first, people didn't understand like it was not a basketball that was supposed to fit that. No, it barely fit in the hole. It barely fit in the hole. And he must have been like a centimeter. He must have been 30 yards away from it.  But it works. It's very much. Obviously. It's really much like a dart. Oh my God. We went crazy. But you know what's cool about top golf that I thought was cool. You know, terrible swings and none of us are golfers ever. Taylor Taylor's all pretty. Taylor's got a sexy swing. That's for sure. You're welcome to. He takes himself seriously. Yeah. It's very, very you're getting some female eyes on you. Why are we doing that? Cause when he swings his ponytail. I got, I got a shot of him and resist the whip back. I got a shot of him in his towel. When he gets his jacquita banana look going on, you know what I'm saying? Or he gets the towel.  Do you bring, do you bring conditioner to the trips like this? You have to, right?  Yeah, you got to make it. Does it take you a long time? It must take longer to get everything ready and stuff. Hey, did I get out of the shower in five minutes? I didn't believe it, but you did. Thank you. It was, I timed him. Well, I was, I shouldn't, aren't you supposed to like not wash it for somebody? Cause it's a natural oils. I think like they say like, don't wash it for a couple of days. Yeah. Let the oils build up. It looks shinier. My hair used to be, I used to have long hair. Did you really? Yeah, I did. Not this. How long? It was like down to here.  I didn't recognize him in that picture that you sent in the group chat. He's a super beat. Which one was that? Oh, which one? I think that's a good look for you. I was heavy. You don't look the same at all. Yeah, no. Well, yeah, you're almost 40 pounds. Yeah. I used to get my body weight up to 220, 230. Yeah. Just through sheer will. Just a hot. Like sheer food. Yeah. Beefy Haas. I'm like, why do I have gut issues? So weird. I have no idea. I want to get him back there. Dude, let's do like a 40. When we hit 40, let's do like a throwback. Oh yeah. I'm not, I can't handle it anymore. I don't even worry. I was so when I hit it that way, you could just tell, I mean anybody who's, who's lifted to the point where you, what's the heaviest you've been? Have you been 240? Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've been 240 naked bone dry. First thing in the morning, dieting. So I've walked around probably. Dude, I saw you one time. I don't know if I ever told you this, but when we were reconnecting and I was trying to get you to get back to fitness. Actually, no, I lied. You were in back in fitness, getting into bodybuilding. And I saw you at Starbucks and you were like the biggest, I've ever seen you here.  Oh God. Hey guys, the point got embarrassing. I got embarrassed because, you know, I mean, it's like, at that point I got, once you get to a certain point where it's like, yeah, he's taking steroids. Yeah. Like steroids, steroids are cool to take until people know you're taking. Yeah. Yeah. It's so obvious. I remember being a trainer. I'll never forget like training a client and I'm like, I was like, I stand like this all. I stand with my hands on my hips a lot like when I'm training over a client.  Like your upper body was insane. Crazy. And I was like, I remember putting my hands down right away. I was like, oh my God. Everybody knows. Yeah. Everybody knows for sure. Like it instantly like paranoia life after that. Like, oh, that's okay. I knew that. I knew at that point it was, it was like, how funny is it though that because I was, I'm like you, I struggled for so long to train, like trying to get big. And then when you finally figure out how to do it, it's so much easier. Yeah. Oh yeah. So much because again, and I, and I shared this. It's what drove me originally really believed.  That's a young, young boss. I think so. If I just take steroids, I'm going to hear. Well, yeah. Or things that's, that's what's keeping him from the, from getting to that level. Like if you would have asked me at 23 years old, if I knew what I was doing training wise and dining wise, I would feel confidently say yes to the point where I'm like, yeah, I'm teaching hundreds of people how to do training.  So I really did not believe that it was a lack of my program design and my nutrition and consistency with the two of those. Which it was absolutely those three things. The biggest three things that ever. Was understanding the importance of consistency with, with a nutrition and programming. Like, so it's not just, just consistency is important. Like that's your first step, right? You've got to show up on a consistent basis and plug away and plug away to see huge drastic changes in the body. But it's also consistency with nutrition and consistency with your program. And knowing in the right kind of consistency. Yeah. Doing the right. Yeah. And I didn't know that when I first started taking steroids, because I thought it was literally that that all these guys on magazines that, which they probably were too, but I still thought that that was what that was a difference maker, right? I mean, they probably, most of them probably were on anabolic. So it's not saying that I was wrong about it, but I was, I was wrong about the reason that that was the only reason. Yeah, I thought that was the reasons why they could get into that kind of you couldn't. Yes. Exactly. And so that was a big difference. I got up to two, I got up to like 238 at one point, but I wasn't lean. No, I was saying, I just get big. I was heavy, but my legs would get so big. It was insane. Like my legs were rubbed together.  That was when I was like 235. And it was over a summer where it would have felt better each other over.  Bro friends. Bro friends. Bro friends. Bro friends. Bro friends. Yeah. Something an awesome cartoon. Yeah. Just huge. Just. Yeah. We don't have fans. We have bro friends. Oh, we're on to something. I used to like every crotch of any jeans or like anything I blew it out was gone.  I mean, I didn't want to say it, but you know, it's a very big subject. Let's get on it. Yeah. Taylor, did you ever, you ever lift weights on like super consistent basis? You've always done sports, but what about weights? Yeah, I got up to 180. Push 180. He's at with or without the hair. Oh, that was without the air. But you maintain yourself.  No, he's always active. Yeah. He's an undercover rip guy. No, it is. It's true. He's what I'm actually going for. He's got the J.T. Fit. I'm going to go on that program. Remember that. Remember I said that. But did you ever lift consistently? I did. My best friend. That's how I met Adam. He's a personal trainer in like one summer. I just, that was like when business was going real good. And I just had a lot of free time. We just hang out and he was just always working out. So like a byproduct of that, I just started lifting weights into it. I hated lifting weights. I never lifted weights. And then, and then eventually like, I started liking it. And then I was like, I can kind of do this. The, the time in my life where I, I really lifted was when I was at the startup. And so like, I would just work. And then I was like the only kind of like release. You know, so that was probably like where I was my, my biggest. Doug, you've been, you've been working out. You started at a young age, right? Yeah. I think around, well, dinosaurs, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. It was a caveman. Okay. It was a caveman. Dinosaurs had already died. Brought to source bones. Right after the astral impact. No, my brother is six years older than I am. And he was into weights. And so we had some of those like Sears, Robuck cement plates, you know, covered in plastic at our house. And with a bench, one of those narrow benches where it has the, the two posts and you put the weights on there, one in the thing was flip off. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I started probably when I was in, you know, nine years old or something started just playing around with it. Really nine years old, but not consistently. Sure. Okay. Not consistently. So then, I think I think around 16 or 17, I started to get into it. I think I told this story before is Rocky three came out and Stallone was so impressive in that. I mean, he, to me that was the ideal physique super massive, but he was like ripped and super symmetrical. And he had wide shoulders. That's the one where he fights Mr. T. Remember, he goes, he goes and train. That's Rocky four. No, no, Rocky four. He's big. Rocky four is my favorite. Yeah. Rocky three. He trains. He goes to Apollo creeds, Jim to learn how to, how to dance and move. It's the same one that he wrestled. He fights Hulk Hogan too. Yeah. I felt like he got too big for Rocky four for me. I didn't want to be that big, but I thought Rocky and I thought, I thought I could do that. Right. If I just started working out. So I subscribed to muscle and fitness. I, my dad was actually interested in working out as well, not to become a bodybuilder or anything, but just for his health. So he bought my brother and me a membership to this club and I started to go down there with my buddy. And this is what 1980, like four or five? No, before that, maybe 19, probably, no, probably 1982 or so. Okay. Now, and this is in Washington. Right. What is the gym like? What is the gym like in 1980, whatever, two or whatever? The one I went to was actually one of these kind of big box type gyms that we got set up with like a 24 or something like that. They had racquetball courts. That was the thing back then. Yeah. That was the jam back there. Yeah. 70s and 80s. Right. So we got a lifetime membership. Of course, the gym no longer exists. They used to do that. They did. Oh, I love racquetball. Yeah, we got to do that. Yeah. Did you know they used to do that back in the 70s and 80s? They used to sell lifetime memberships and these gyms would open up and then they close and then state started making laws against that. So do you know why 24 fitness charges $49 a year renewal after a prepay because of those laws because before that you would pay $1,000 and have a lifetime membership. Yeah. And then they said, no, you can't do that. You have to keep, you know, you have to keep charging people. That's really crazy. But I think it's more because now it's not that you get to charge them more. No, what I mean is they couldn't do lifetime membership. So a prepay became prepay and have a super cheap renewal. Right. Which is one of the greatest hustles. I know. So what was the gym? What do they look like back then? Was it doesn't look too much different from what they look like now? You didn't have plate loaded equipment. Hammer strength didn't exist back then. No, but I think there's maybe Nautilus. Nautilus probably. Probably Nautilus there. Basketball court. They had the racket ball. Wow. So you started off in a good rack. Oh, so you had a good gym right away. Good gym. So I had a buddy and he and I both were like serious about this whole thing. So I did. I got my muscle and fitness subscription and I'd take a look at these workouts that these guys were doing. I can't remember who was big back then. Who are the big bodybuilders back in the early 1980s. Lee Haney. Lee Haney. That's right. So I figured, well, you know, what workout am I going to do?  And I'm going to do his workout because it worked. And so I started following his workouts. I work out hard.  I felt like, man, I'm doing the right thing. And like we talked about it before. It's like I was doing forced reps every set bench. Forced reps, you know, you can do one more. Just do one more. You know how common that is though?  Yeah, you think it's a thing. You got to work or you try harder. The difference between me and him is he tries a lot harder than me. Do you guys remember the first supplement you bought? Oh, I was another thing I was into. I was always into supplements. My grandmother used to get prevention magazine. And I don't know if you remember the old prevention magazine. It was just full of supplements. And they looked so cool like they would do these amazing things. And I was like eight years old looking at that magazine thinking it was the coolest thing. And I wanted to buy those supplements. You were brainwashed by time. Oh, man. Now I started working out wanting to build muscle. I think you talked about was it? Cybergenics? Cybergenics. Cybergenics. I bought it. Of course you did. I bought all these things. I don't remember all the names of them. But I spent a lot of money and, you know, I didn't always have a lot of money. Dang. But I spent it what I had because I thought that would be the next secret thing to take me to the next level. And I was always so disappointed after taking it and just like every morning looking at the mirror and going, oh, nothing happened. Yeah. I think cell tech was my was that your first first was cell tech. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure that was the first thing that we were you and you felt that because it has great team. Yeah. Yeah. So you probably blew yourself away. Well, and it was loaded full of sugar and I was 75 grams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. First group. That was that was the first one. Was that cell tech lab? Yeah. Mask Gainer and I had creatine like raw creatine. You know, it's funny that in I put peanut butter on top of it and made a fart concoction. No. I think it was my first supplement was a Weeder protein powder. It came in a tube canister. Remember those the tube canisters before they started making the big jugs and it was Weeder's muscle builder. It was called and it had a picture. The Weeder supplements. Yes. Him with his arms crossed looking all jacked with his mustache. Yeah. And I'd be like, I'm going to look like that, dude. I seriously thought I was going to look like that. Oh my God. You need a mustache. And what I would do is I'd take a scoop of that and mix it in milk and they drink it and it was seven grams approaching. You know, it was a seven gram protein. So you guys all wanted to look like real big at one point. I wanted that was the goal. Oh dude, if you if you could if I if I could look like a Mr. Olympia, I would have. That would have been that would have been amazing. Which I now I could never I would never want to not even close. But back then. You know, I don't know if I ever aspired to be as big as bodybuilder guys. I wouldn't say that. But I definitely I'll tell you what, mine's more rooted like with the insecurities of being a skinny guy and and like just getting into girls. So I remember like being a teenage boy and getting into girls. And the only thing I really got teased about was being skinny. And so that affected me psychologically because it's my the way I look. And so I wanted to lift weights just to be bigger. You know what I'm saying? I didn't I didn't like aspire to I didn't. That's why I didn't follow bodybuilders like all the stuff that Sal talks about, which is ironic, right? Because I'm the one that actually competed.  I know. I feel bad because they they will people will send me stuff. I'm just like, yeah, it's not my jam. You know, I'm saying like, I know I compete. Yeah, I never was into it like that. I wanted to be big enough that the chicks thought I looked hot because I was one of the buff guys.  Oh, I was just I was just super competitive. And like I would have these workouts where you're in a certain weight class like category. So like I would I found that out real quick that I was stronger than like the weight class that they put me in.  You know, and like I so I ended up working out with the biggest guys. And it just became this obsession like I just want to be stronger than all these guys.  But like at that level, like I was I was like, oh, yeah, I was like addictive. Yeah, I remember I remember that because I worked out at so 14 I started lifting weights. It took years before anybody noticed the list of weights because I was a young kid. I was skinny. And I gained, you know, I gained a little bit of weight but you kind of do anyway when you go. Isn't it great though? When you're so I gotta I gotta sell our boy out and then he listens right. Hopefully Drew hears this. So I was so pumped for him the other day. So because I remember making them gain. Well, I remember he's right around the same age and there's a lot of similarities in his personality is mine. And so I totally connected with it when he did. And I just I died inside but not like laughing at him just like, oh my God, it reminded me of myself.  And so he walks in the gym and he's been following maps like to a T like he's been sitting. He's anabolic, right? How much weight is he put? Listen, he's calc. He's calculating everything and like, yeah, no, he's tracking everything to a T. And for the listeners, Drew is Taylor's younger brother and he does are a lot of our video editing. Yeah, yeah. So everyone's everyone. He's how old is he 20? 19. 19.  I mean, he's deadlifting 250 pounds now already. And he's tiny. He's a little guy, right? And so, you know, he's starting to see it like already affect and change his body in the short amount of time he's doing it. And I remember that when I didn't really care that much about lifting. But then you see it and then you see the way it starts to change your body and you're like, whoa, this is kind of this is kind of cool.  Yeah. So he had that kind of glow on him when he come walking in. And I so of course I say, sell him out. So I complimented him right away.  And he without hesitation ripped his shirt right off. Right off, dude. And he gave me like the post. I'm like, dude, look it. Look it. Look it. It was so great. What's happening here? Dude, check this out. It's so awesome. Yeah. So good for him. I totally remember that feeling though. Don't you? It took me. 15, 16 is the first time I can remember when somebody actually noticed and I was at the. It was in high school and it was hot outside. And so I took off my T-shirt and of course underneath I had on my wife, Peter wife, Peter. I could definitely finish that. Which by the way, I've been working out and wife Peter since day one. That's the that's the original work out of 72. Nobody's disputing that. And it's the same. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to convince me. He was telling me that earlier. Like, bro, I know I was wearing it back. I used to wear. I used to wear the gym. Oh yeah. Just as like we know that style exists. But I'm in the classroom and I walk in and just my tank top and a girl and two girls came up to me like what? They're like, we didn't know you were so buffed. It was the first time I'd ever heard that. That's it, bro. Yeah. Right away. I was like best feeling for life right there. Forever that it's impacted. First time I remember like when after I was doing the morning workouts and everything with the team and you know, I was a skinny kid too. You know, for a while and I played basketball in the off season. And so I was playing basketball and then I was always self conscious to take my shirt off, you know.  And so I just took my shirt off and it was shirt skins and some of the cheerleaders came in and they were like and then they mid track. They just went and sat down on the bench and they all were pointing at me. Oh my God. I was like, what's going on? And then after we were live, bro, you're like, no, I didn't know. No, I didn't know. I was like, they might be making fun of me or something.  Like they're talking about my arms all the stuff. And I was like, oh yeah. That's what you guys are talking about. Hey, it was it was addictive after that. Yeah. When you get it, when you get attention for it, it's all about the funny part is that we're all connected in a sense, right? With some sort of health and fitness. But I really don't even think that's the biggest thing that connects us.  But I think that where we're the most connected is where are our growth, where we are growth wise as far as our wanting to grow personally, I think. And then the entrepreneurship side. So I think that's what bonds everybody the most and makes it work so well. Because if I think we were just all into health and fitness, you know, even if we're smart guys, funny guys, all this stuff like that in that space, that wouldn't be enough. Just be your average podcast. Right, right. Yeah.  Give another tree, dude. We'll suit here. I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. Justin, you have been on fire. Not at all. Tire. Tire trip. It's Austin. Bro, I'm going to say. Bro, when we were, when we had the podcast with Mike with Bledzo. Yes. Justin, you were fire, bro. I don't know.  I had a little edge. I don't know. The way that he kind of came in the room had kind of set me off. I don't know. What was that? It was just weird. I didn't know what to do. He didn't say any words. It was like a reaction to that. I just like, oh, like, I got to do something about this. Yes. Yes. We all kind of, I think we all picked up on that. Let's do something with this to make it entertaining or something. You know, I still, you know, I can't fully believe it. We meet a lot of people in the space. A lot of cool people, you know, but like then there's like the MP family or the people that like I'm texting and talking to that I really have hit. We've connected with, we've interviewed and just really like them. Speaking of people like that, who's a new person, like I feel like in the Mind Pump family is Max Lugavere.  And we all felt that way already. And then last night when we're at Topgolf. Oh, what a great time. What set it off for me, and this is what I love, was he got up. We were we'd already been at Topgolf. We're drinking and we're hitting. We're terrible. Right. And none of us can except for Taylor golf. So we are doing terrible in all levels. Right. And we're just making fun of each other and just having a good time and up walks Max. And I think I was the one who was just shooting last. And then I was like, come on, get up there.  We're all sitting, taking pictures, videoing him and she like that. And you could tell that motherfucker had never touched a club in his life before. For sure. 100%. And the fact that he put himself out there like that. No. And then and just had like, super cool. Oh, it was right. And we were laughing. I love that he does that. And I saw there was a moment there for a minute where I think he was wondering like, are these dudes laughing at me?  We're just having a good time.  Yeah. Right. I think that he made that connection. He's like, dude, that's really cool. But the fact that he would he's my brother from another mother. He gets the co-sign for sure. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Good, good, dude. Max is a very, very smart dude. Very, very cool guy. Very real guy. So and so is and so is Rocio. Great. Always coming down here with that guy. Dude, let me tell you, bro, this motherfucker, he's like an energizer bunny bro. He's got energy. Yes. You know what he reminds me of me and my friends when we were like 25. Dude, you know what it is? He's a doctor, bro.   He's made it. They're like 20 years old. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Then you throw in the fact. Remember we were talking, we were walking last time like and he's buff and good looking dude. Yeah. And he's a doctor. Yeah. Game over. What was he was talking about? We were all walking. He's talking. Yes. He's talking about like how he serenades women and stuff like that.  Like, yeah, why even do that?  Yeah.  Get out of here with that, bro. Come on, man. He's an animal. Hi, I'm a doctor. And then we get, you know who showed up this year, which was great. Ben Pakolsky came down. Yeah. So Ben's been so funny right now. He is so opposite of what he was seven years ago. It's crazy. Dude, he, embracing the whole paleo esque. What was he doing?  He was doing Paul's. He's doing checks, a course or whatever. That was so great. Primal movement there and the ground and stuff. I love them. Right, right. Another great guy like that, dude. Really, really good people. We saw Christina here. She's always awesome. She's part of the family. Little fireball. Little fireball.  Every single time. Yeah. Every single time. Who else do we run into that we like run into? Kyle. Oh, of course, Kyle. Barefoot. Yeah. Did you just do this around barefoot? He was being cugs and strange goodbyes. Yeah. Thanks for the cup check, Kyle. I appreciate that. Yeah. That's good stuff.  That was hilarious. That was a good guy though. We all love Kyle. But we're with him. We'll be with him tomorrow. So that'll be good. Paul, right?  We saw Rob. Rob Bull. Oh, yeah. We saw Rob in the bathroom. While he's taking a piss. Yeah. So I'm literally, so Rob is peeing at the urinal and I know, I recognize him because I saw him speaking. Right. Earlier the day and he, I'm behind him and I'm waiting for him to turn around and I'm turning around and I'm going to use the urinal that he's just finishing in. And I'm like, hey, what's up, dude? And there's this moment where I have my, my hands up and it's like, wait a second. What do we do here? Yeah. We can't go in the men's bathroom where we shouldn't do a hug right here. That's not right.  Right here. Hey, what's up? How do we handle this? Yeah, we just both kind of did this like, let me in. He walked by. We'll pass on the handshake right here, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Rob's always great to see you. So we saw him here. That was awesome. Who else did we see? Ben Greenfield. Yeah, Ben. Oh, dude. How about the road rash on his face? What happened? He said a car clipped him? Yeah.  Which one was he riding? Oh, was one of those? The pallet? The ones that look like ellipticals. You know what I'm saying? That's what he was riding. He was going to be a super dork to actually own one of those. And ride it out. He was riding around. He was just... I want one. I know I insulted somebody. Oh, my God. He just signed a partnership with that company. Damn it. Oh, no, I'm insulting somebody. But listen, it's kind of dorky. If you want it right on elliptical, go to the gym right on elliptical.  You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to disagree with you there. You have a flag in the back? It's just too bulky. You know what I'm saying? It takes up half the sidewalk, and it hints why he got clipped by a car. So he got hit by a car.  Oh, went down real hard. Yeah, he's half his face. And then he went to a hyper... He went to a...  Yeah, and then he went to a hyperbaric chamber. He said to heal them faster.  I was trying to help him out. We were all trying to help him out.  You lost at a jousting match. But then he went to medieval times. Like, look at where he got injured. It was like, right? You can imagine that. Like right there. Who said the most off-the-wall thing to somebody today? Who was off the chain? You said a few yourself there, buddy. Really?  I don't know. I mean, the hatch is... What about with the electric pads? And I asked him if it cures treatment-resistant erectile dysfunction. Oh, you would use it? Yeah. Adam has it. Yeah, that's what you said. Like, that was a good one. That was funny. Who else did we run into? That was neat out there. The event was really cool. It was better than what I expected. I mean, we would have probably not come back the second day had we not thought that.  Yeah, you're still getting there. I mean, how many... Okay, here we go. What are some of the things that we saw as far as bullshit?   Your electric something that you were giving off. Yeah. Apparently, I was bad.  Like, what was that? That was just EMF. Like, what? Radiation or something? Yeah.  Exactly. I was shooting hours.  Wait till I see my spiderwebs. That was... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gross. I was like, oh, my legs. That was awesome. Gross. I love it. He's playing on accident. Yes. I was even trying for that one.  There was a lot of... There's always a lot of meat at these things, right? A plethora of meat. Powder bone broths. That was a big thing. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else was kind of... There were some supplements out there, a lot of supplements.  How was that sauna that you guys zipped into? Is that legit? Well, that was what blew my mind, which I wanted to go back and fact-checked him with our sunlight people, because I don't know, the sunlight ones just seemed a little more legit to me. Yeah. They had like patents. Yeah. And he's making claims. Yeah. It looks like some 10-40. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like some 10-40. We zipped up in some tin foil, and there's like a fucking... You know what it was? It's like an elementary school chair in there. Yeah. They would say it was like... This doesn't look like... It's like a reflectable oven mitt. Right. And he just made a big shot. I'm pretty sure you can run down to Home Depot and build that for like $20. Yeah. You know what it looked like? It would get hot in there. You know what it looked like? Did you guys ever do the Jiffy Pop? Did you guys ever do Jiffy Pop in American? Yes. The popcorn that you put over the stove and it makes the big foil thing? Yeah. That's what it looked like. I was just claiming that that was four times the far infrared rays than any other product on the line. And I asked him, I said, we have sunlight and saunas. And what they told me, it's the best. So now I feel like somebody's duping me right now. So I'm on a mission here. Somebody here is disarmed. Yeah. Exactly what I was saying. I'm getting to the bottom of this right now. I don't know, dude. I feel like yours looks like it could be a little bit cheaper. It may not be as good as those over there. I'm just saying. I mean... Well, that's only far infrared too. Right. So we have all three. Yeah. Mid-far and near. Boom. Boom. Just dropped it all like that. Mic drop. Shoes were bad. I thought those were bad. Those were terrible. I still don't understand the point of them. To be more barefoot. Yeah. I think I'd rather go barefoot. They already have brands that are five finger shoes. Yeah. But these look like their dress shoes. Yeah. Shoes I wouldn't wear. Okay. No, I get it now. So at the bottom. Their market is business men that have to wear suits every day that are actually paleo-esque type people. Maybe. Okay. They still want to... It is a very niche market. It is a very niche market, but it's there. You know what I'm saying? It's definitely there. I think there's a lot of... I think there's a point that people are winning that battle. They were trying hard to get us to try them on too. Oh, I know. And I had to lie to them. I was like, we'll be right back. Because everyone's back. Listen, this is groundbreaking. They were attracted to Taylor and I's shoes right back. I'll be right back. Yeah. When I wear these shoes, I don't want to be shorter.   I wanted that shirt, man. That shirt was right. That was totally my flavor.  What about when Justin threw the spear?  Oh, my God. Would it bounce back? We didn't even get the first one. Dude, so I threw the spear. Spartan one. It was a Spartan spear. It bounced back. Yeah. They had hay and everything set up and I crashed it from the scroll and threw it. And I was just thinking, I want it to stick in there really good. And like everybody's watching. So I just like threw it hard and it, it bounced in it. And it didn't register right away. Like, oh, wow. Is this coming back? Like hot. You didn't even move or anything. It's just like goon, goon. And then, oh my God, I almost stabbed myself in the shin. It was really close. Really close. That would have been a good video though, Taylor. I tried. Then the next one I was like, oh, just less power. And then it went. We almost, we almost got in free to the food and wine festival. You did a good job, bro. I was proud of you, but I was actually, you know, I'm surprised. Yeah.  Yeah. Every once in a while, I got to give them an opportunity, but I should have teared right there. I wonder what it would look like if I would have teared that one right there. Nothing. We would have gotten arrested.  I don't know how you still do that. Well, I just jumped. I feel like, I feel like if you were a bad person, you'd be a very successful con artist because that was very good. You were working everybody. He was working the security guard. Those are $250 ticket supervisor. Adam convinced the head of security woman to call us in to try and get us in through the guest entrance. Yeah. But it was this really walkie talk. It was this really, it was this really old like patriotic dude who's like, no, sorry. Can't break the rules. No matter what. I'm like, dang. No terrorists. None of my watch.  This guy means business. You know, I want to go in there though. I mean, the tickets are $250.  I think there's a lot of free wine. That's why. Is that what it is? I think you get a lot of wine tasting. Is it like that? Is that what it is? He said that there or she said there was like all anything you could think of like drink wise, like everything there's just included. Yeah. We would have got destroyed. I saw some videos of people there. There was something like they have all kinds of like weird like models that they built where you pour the shot down and like drops it. Yeah. We tried to pick that looked so much more fun. The entire place is way more fun. I'm sorry. We tried to act cool. We walked up and tried to get in with the with the girls up front. Like, yeah. So we're mind pump media.  Go go. Go online. Go to this email. I was telling about that one. That's what I was like. I'm not giving up for now. I'm not letting that be like hurt a little bit. It did hurt. It hurt a little bit. I was like, that's it. I'm not even going to get it. Like we just came from paleo. Yeah, dude. I literally know. I was really bad about that one. So we have a camera. We're in media. Everybody has a camera.  You know what I actually would have liked. And I know we didn't have the time and stuff, but I would have actually liked to listen to some of the panels I had because what I noticed they did this year, and I don't know if they did this before. I know for sure they did this year, but they actually had people that would not agree on stage together. Yeah, together.  They're just all nodding their head up there. Like, yes. Yes. More sandals. Yes. Blue blockers. Yes. Or blue blockers. You know what I'm saying? It's like me. It's like all this head nodding. Yes. It's like, dude, get somebody up there that's like counters so we can hear like a good conversation and debate. So somebody could actually learn something. And it's not this everybody's preaching that this is the way of doing things. So I would have been cool. But there were, there were some that were like that. I wish we would have caught. Cause I know what I would have done if we had gone to one of those with the, where they had two people that were kind of differing and then they had, there's a Q and A at the end. I would have loved to have asked questions. Start serving them up. That would have pit them against each other. That's why I think maybe it may be what we do. Cause I know that we've got, a lot of people are starting to ask if we would go up there and talk, but we'll be better. Is if we go to the audience, we exactly, we video going to the instigators, going there and asking questions to the panel. Yeah.  We paneled the panel. Yeah. Yes. Hey, I know you recommend a lot of, a lot of vitamins, but don't you have a vitamin company? Yeah. Yeah.  I thought we're going to get thrown out for the wine. That was, that was close, right? We were going to crack over the wine and drink the wine bottles. We had to drink it on the way home. Bummer. They were worried about that. Overall, though, I think that this is, this was fun. One of my favorite times. Yeah. No, it's, it's been a really good time. I really, really appreciate anybody who came up to us. There's a lot of people that came up to us and said hi. And if you're listening, really appreciate that. Dude. It reminds us a lot. My cuffs, man. Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. We really appreciate you guys a lot. So everybody left super motivated, right? It was crazy. We were all tired from all that being all day, but then we just felt this energy. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. Very cool. It was a good time. Love you guys. Yeah. So check it out. Go to your app store. Get the Mind Pump Media app. You can search any topic among our 750 plus episodes. It's free. Mind Pump Media app. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. 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