Hey, folks, it looks like there can somebody else talk to make sure I've got my speaker working here. Hi, hello. Okay, I guess not. All right, anybody else. Hello. Okay. At least I got it on my end. Thank you to shank. My speaker keeps on switching to alternative inputs. Sam. There's Justin. There's. Okay, great. As everybody hold it. No, okay.  I always forget that little lined rule, but we'll just do a special more a pattern just to keep people interesting. Zoom bombing. Okay. So we didn't, I did not do, I ignored my reminder to myself on Friday about an agenda today. So I apologize. Start with status on where we are on the various working groups. Just copy and paste something from up above there. Yep. Yeah, I mean, we started having this conversation. We were at the party at our last call and then partly on Slack over. The end of last week. About snapshots. And this is on the notary V2 OCI thread. The V2 channel men Santiago's discussion, but that was a follow up from the discussion that we had previously. Which was really about how you, how you should, how you should represent the concept of a collection in a registry. If it's from how you would represent it in a file system and whether that. Whether that affects how we get able to build stuff in a registry. Yeah, I, I was trying to figure out because I mean I think like we're all busy. We all see things we all read skim some documents and then we make assumptions around what that content is. It is hard to keep up with everything, especially as OS projects. I've been trying to be extra careful to say the stuff we're doing with notary V2 is, and maybe the notary word carries more weight than or more meaning to some, but we're literally just trying to sign content. We don't really care what the content is if the content is these other things great, but, and that's what I try to capture in that picture of the in the scenarios document. I don't know if there's just because I see this scope creep conversation come up and everything. I'm trying to make sure that I don't think anybody is trying to scope creep here I think we had a healthy discussion early on around certain things from Providence and others, but I think we're hoping we found a good balance for that. And I think that stuff like, sorry, the tough stuff looks a little more downstream and if there's a way to represent that in a, in a tough document, whether it's a tough document an S bomb because I know those, the folks are working on that then, then great. But I guess I'm just trying to figure out are we, is there still confusion is just a matter of reading more I see Trisha because you're but I don't see Santiago. Father up. Yeah, I'm not sure about Marie. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, sorry, I'm just saying on the call. Yes, sorry. Yeah, I'm just checking this. Trisha and how often do you talk to Santiago I know you guys, at least used to work together pretty closely.  Is there any concern you want me to relate to him or what's the what's the story. I'm just trying to make sure that there isn't a concern like I don't believe we are, you know, trying to do more than just signing content. And if one of the content is a tough document calling it a tough document but it's not the right term, an S bomb or other things. Then that's fine. And I'm not sure if Trisha Santiago feels we are trying to do more or or not so I was, I guess I was you for him. Yeah, go on Marina. Okay, well just my understanding from the discussion was that he was worried that you're only going to support the S bomb format, and you want to make sure like you know more general formats could also be supported by whatever we come up with. Yeah, if you look at that scenarios thing that I put the especially the visual part where I tried to pull it all together. And I was intentionally use SB lowercase o M because I know in the working group that him and Kate are working on they were specifically using uppercase O and it had a meaning. And I tried to put as much text in there and generalize the icons and everything to say, I don't care whether it's Vincent's S bomb format that he's doing with red hat and quay, or, you know, case and kates that goes like, I think we all have got, I think, and, you know, I'm looking at like Derek's picture doesn't not, you know, others that to see are we an agreement that we are just trying to figure out like here is something that we don't care what it is in the registry but just we do say that here is a signature that says this thing is still what it says it was. And I think that's important. I think I think the more important point that we should address at some point is, is concerned about the snapshot metadata which is there and tough for a reason. It's not really there in no three we want right every collection, every bundle or image or whatever you put in there will have its own snapshot metadata which is not great doesn't give you the state like for example doesn't tell you anything about dependencies right, which versions of things go along with which other versions. That's a discussion that we should have. We don't need to have it right now, but I think that's an important security point that has come up at least twice. Yeah, I mean that's the discussion that I was trying to have with Santiago and I think it was a big. I think there was some confusion and unscathed no lack of clarity about that but I think it isn't. To some extent the registry has to. I mean that the snapshot has to be something that registry I would to understand if it's going to. But does it I think that's the piece that I'm trying to figure out like. Is that an add on that says one of the things that you sign is this other metadata document if you will. And all we're saying is that document is still signed the key is still valid because there's no revocation happened. And then a tough tool chain for instance, can do that kind of verification because at least the content was moved between registries is still said to be secure. So is it going to eliminate tough from doing something unique that they want to do or let's say Docker wants to do something unique or Red Hat wants to do something unique. You. That was the original discussion we were having about see now with thin and thick manifests and you. See that you're expected to do things in a registry is such that everything you want to refer to in an item that the registry understands about I. Needs needs to be pointed out. I need to consist of things in the same repository. The same registry repository because of how the authentication or you turn authentication. Well, you to retrieve a to retrieve an object from a manifest, you just have a shower and it's an object in the same repository. It's not, it's not just any object in the same registry that you're referring to. Right, but I'm not make cross cross registry repository assertions about something and then signed them in the current ACI model. Well, but a manifest is a single item with multiple layers, but the single item. So I don't know how that would span multiple repos an index. So you can't make cross review assertions about, for example, dependencies for. The dependencies are in scope here. I mean, right now the image format doesn't have dependencies. Yeah, so that the discussion was about. So I'll go saying that if we couldn't support any kind of dependency, then, or any kind of collections Damon then it didn't to paraphrase it wasn't kind of very useful for making the kinds of security assertions he wants to make. So enthusiastic about signing arbitrary are artifacts. Then have a helm chart that is signed and that refers to all the images by digest and that gives you a single consistent snapshot. It doesn't have to be an image function. It's a way how to how you deploy those images those images are properly signed even if they are deployed in some other set of versions. Yeah, that was more or less in this specific configuration of party images in with five specific digest. Make that aspect separate artifact and that artifact can that refer to other repositories within the registry or two different registries directly there are no physical limitations anymore. But then there's opening yourself up to a lot of problems with that because you either do one of two things, both of which are bad you either directly pin everything to specific versions, which as soon as their security updates for anything than every person who's gone and directly pin everything to versions has to go and know to update their things which is bad. Or you say well just give me whatever version the repository happens to tell me they want to give me at this specific time and trusting the repository to do that and not give you an old vulnerable version of something is also a big problem because you know old vulnerable software in like tons and tons of cases. So what you want is you want something where you can say effectively give me the latest version of this you want to have a way to say that and not have a repository that is hacked be able to roll you back to sort of the beginning of time, which is the, you know, which is the property that you, you want out of out of this and just having the helm chart example doesn't, doesn't address that. Well, that's the time step such snapshot function of the snapshot function, the snapshot function and a home chart that in specific digits of the images. That's one to one actually all in this far as I can see, it's just a different way to stop that. So timestamp is is a little different time stamp tells you the last time anything in the collection of the repository has changed. It doesn't tell you what change it just tells you there was a change. And in the context of some large, like registry that's being run by Amazon or something then timestamp actually is fairly meaningless because effectively it's always going to be changing because everything it's really telling you is it's making sure that someone's not trying to replay old information that, you know, that that was from before but you know it will always change because you know you're getting however many updates a second in Well, because the timestamp is a repository scope could just as well be at image scope. So there's two things we need to distinguish here I think there's some confusion, which is that. So we have different repositories in the same registry right right now we have time stamp and snapshot per repository on the registry. What we're talking about is timestamp snapshot for everything on the registry. It gives you very different security properties. Right, and it's the security properties that I think you actually want to have. And there's a, there's a natural question that we can either talk about now or we can leave till later about, you know, is it feasible like what what are the feasibility or other issues with terms of performance and things which I think it can be done in a quite reasonable way without a lot of like fuss. But I think the important thing first of all is to make sure we're all on the same page that that, you know, that we get a lot by having security wise that's important that you get by having this property where someone can't just go and give you the oldest version of something that happens to be signed with, you know, happens to be signed by a trusted party. Well, I think the scope of what we're talking about here though because there's there's certainly products and projects that are trying to do exactly that. All we're saying from a notary perspective all we're saying is at this point when we pull content from a registry, there's no guarantee it is what it, you know, from the original author. And that's the scope of what we're trying to do here. So, for instance, if I wait, why, why is this the scope of that was signed on Monday of two weeks ago. If I pull it today, it may, I just want to know it is still the thing that Microsoft had put out. If there's, you know, vulnerabilities in it, that's a separate thing that looks at it. And as long as the key that Microsoft signed with is still valid, then that's a valid state because it's always well, it's very hard to find no vulnerabilities and software is better with those vulnerabilities are impactful or whether you approve those. So, all we're trying to say is here is a finite thing. It is a single item which is what manifests represents it's an index which is a collection of things. And then we but we don't really care what the thing is it's just a thing. One of the things could be a home chart, which it itself has ways to reference other artifacts. Or in that case it's images, but that's all we're trying to say. I think that's, I don't think that's that's a different argument. Sorry, Justin, you're going to step in, I think. Yeah, I think, I wouldn't agree that that's all we're trying to provide. I think the discussion around the threat model. I mean, I think, I think many of us would agree that providing something that provides, for example, rollback protection is a really good idea. Assumption there is the key has been compromised in some fashion. No, no, no, just assumption of like whether someone being able to persuade you to download Windows 7 and telling you this is the latest version of Windows is not a good idea. If so, let's let's a good example. Somebody could have hacked the text of the time. I think, and in that case you're right that that's a somebody either if they didn't steal the key they just somehow got credentials, because there's two parts right do I get credentials to push to a registry. And then my ability to sign that as the original entity. So, we screwed up before we pushed up things that should have been so in that case it's still signed by Microsoft it's still wrong, and then it should get rolled back if somebody has hacked something but the thing they pushed in is not signed by Microsoft. That's the detection. If somebody compromised our key, then not only should that key be revoked but yes, as well. The protection in that is useful in principle just because the latest tag is the default and it's so widespread in the correct community. But it's not essential in that enterprise deployments tend to pin versions anyway. And to pretty much number one requirement of this project is to have working disconnected support, in which case we are giving up on timestamps or at least fresh times for them anyway. So, I think it's useful to have the timestamps and grow back support in that as an option. I wouldn't say there is a mandatory part of the security model. So, I missed a word you said in there you said working something support. It's the most important thing is to have working what support I didn't understand our all back protection or times times the times the mechanism of stuff overall. Yeah, so you have to have rollback protection that's that's true. And I'm sorry I joined late because of all the zoom changes which God I hate the new zoom. So, I don't know if we're planning on using zoom for future meetings but I hope not. But let me go back and, and, and, and ask something I wanted to say is because I kind of missed the threat of the meeting but it feels like we're rehashing things that we discussed in detail in the threat modeling subgroup. And I don't know that it feels like, I was there like, or was the threat modeling group supposed to present something today or this was came out of sorry, this came out the discussion that me and Santiago were having on slack. And I'm going to go back to this review to because there seemed to be a bunch of confusion about really about collections and how they should be represented in a registry and what and this issue of what's feasible versus what we should be doing exactly. At the discussion we're having at the last call we had about what the differences between it to other differences with a registry versus file system significant in any way. Right. Okay. I think the best way to try to resolve some of this discussion is because I feel like we're, we're saying not quite the same things were like, I feel like, for example, the, the examples that I'm giving or not the same as examples that Steve is giving and we're kind of in some cases talking past each other, which I think the scenarios and at times has been helpful with resolving some of those issues. I don't know if there's a another way we could resolve this given. I don't think we're going to be able to discuss this out well in the next seven minutes and get everybody to say yeah, we should clearly be doing X or should we continue this in the threat modeling discussion and we have our next meeting for those that are interested in that. I mean, I would like to base this in the scenarios in the sense that hopefully we've captured the right scenarios. If there's additional ones or tweaks we should capture that so we do have a way hey in scenario foo. This is what we're trying to accomplish and this is what we haven't achieved, or hey we've realized we did not capture this other thing in the scenarios we should add that because when I think of collections from a registry. We only have one way to represent a collection, a collection of things we have a collection of layers but I don't consider that's a persistence model a manifest or as a thing and index doors a collection of things. Now there's other technologies like Helm charts, which has a way to reference other things, but all but and those are and those may be viable conversations we should have about what do we think about collections but today I only think of the registry having one collect as a generic right because we're not trying to say we're specializing in one artifact type index is the only thing that we have that's represents collections of things that could be signed. I mean we're jumping from like a high level scenario goal like very deep into a specific design you have in mind. And I think that's part of the problem because from a threat modeling standpoint. We're not trying to presuppose a design we're trying to figure out what we need to make the damn thing secure. And I think I think that's I think where some of this disconnect is is coming from, which I think is, it's hard to see how we can resolve that without. Like, effectively having either a straw man design that we would would go through which I think would be a big. I think would be quite premature now, or, you know, alternatively to get the threat model together discuss what we want to accomplish and then see how the pieces fit together. There's, there's a lot that's left on the table. If we give up a lot of these rollback protections and I think it would, you know, it these decisions are the ones that haunt your organizations and your security teams. Your perpetuity if done wrong. And so we absolutely at least want everyone to be very aware of the problems they would have if they make a pretty drastic choice here. You're right. There's a certain part where I try and be careful with the design. I would think there's more of constraint. Like we're rebuilding the bathroom because we want to be better right but it still has to fit within a certain amount of walls and there's some pushing you can do in places. So we are trying to fit the are signing solution into what is a registry today. Yeah, but I think that's not. Yeah, I think that we shouldn't necessarily, I mean, we're going to make some some changes. We could design you as much as the question is what's actually necessary. Right. Well, we want to run through this exercise. I mean, I know we don't want to finish all like the design and stuff up front, but we're trying to run through the exercise at least to know what kind of stuff we would need to add to the registry in the future. So it's kind of hard to do both at the same time, but I'm here because I'm interested actually in the threat model discussion, because I think a lot of that is relevant to figuring out like, like I know a lot about how the registry works, but I'm not quite sure how it's protecting against and how we should be thinking about some of these endpoints and other actions. Yeah, can I can add something on top of that, which is maybe it would be good idea to say our next meeting is going to be about threat model. We should hash out this issues. What do you guys think. Well, we did say this is going to be a status summary of some of the breakout so Yeah, I mean, yeah, we should definitely have a I think that makes sense. Okay, so we are two minutes left for what we said we reduce this purposely done a half an hour is to give times for other people to do the other breakouts. There's so one, Justin, thanks for joining. I, you had one comment on the scenarios if you could help me with what you're proposing there. I would like to get the scenarios closed down. So not that it's locked, we can certainly iterate, but there's a lot of changes that you would propose that I did a bunch of edits that I just like to get merged in. Likewise, if you guys can do something in the threat modeling working group that'd be awesome. And then we can, you know, kind of figure out here is what the different groups are coming. Hey, like we want to do this. We're working with this constraint of our registry but here's some things that we need to change and they're not radical changes that reasonable changes, and they have a great payoff. That's great conversation to have. We probably need to start figuring out about the UX experience as well because what I, you know, are we able to get this to a usable form. A little bit later but there's some constraints to that. So I think that we are obviously we're living through a pandemic it's difficult enough to do these kind of projects and put this on top of us. If there is, we're kind of now in the middle of this is going to be a long while it's not solving up next week we could hold our breath. So I don't know if there's an opportunity we can get more dedicated focus. I'm looking at around I see so I was able to join. I have some other folks that have been wanting to spend more time in this so I will make sure that those experts are more engaged in things like the threat model conversation and key management. But I'm hoping we can kind of get to a, you know, more regular focused ownership of particular areas and have here here our team debated this and this is what we came back with. It would be great if we can kind of start making that progress in these working groups. Is that reasonable at this point or is that the world just a little bit too crazy right now. I mean, I guess I'll say that, like personally, I've had a lot of recently I've been on well and had times like right now where I feel totally normal. But I can't, you know, say what is going to happen like tomorrow or how I'm going to be feeling the future. But I think, you know, yeah, just, we should continue to work together and be conscious that people might need more time than you would expect.  Yeah, I hope you're doing well, Justin. Definitely there's that aspect of things. Last, I think it was a week or two ago. One of the things I was kind of putting out there is, we know people have challenges personally for various reasons health are just managing their family. And we want to be careful not to lock anybody out who's been busy that they will put some proposals out and give people a chance to read on their own time not that they have to achieve this call, what others so if there's somebody that is leading a particular working group that has to back out for whatever reason that they just hand off to somebody else so we could try to make some progress. While making sure that person still, you know, able to take care of their thing. That's our hope that we just we know that it's a difficult time. So, Cormack, I'm looking to you here you were taking that effort do you feel like you can get some more meetings going between Derek and others. Yeah, I think it's just my time table is a bit difficult at the moment because my, I tend to have too many meetings. Yeah, I can find some time. Yeah. I will sync on the channel for some times that work for people. Okay. Okay, why don't we do that. Well, let's for this working group. Let's get and we'll meet next week. Same time. Let's shoot for having some kind of status of the various breakouts sort of threat model key management threat model, aka key man, not a K but also key management was in that as well. Maybe there's this can start getting split out because I know there's some separate conversations happening there. And if we can close out the scenarios and just leave room for, you know, iteration, then at least we get to a place where I can look at one place and not have to consider PRs. And if we can start doing the same thing with the threat modeling, that'd be awesome. That's why people have a chance to know what they're reading on where we're at. So with that, we're a couple of minutes over.  And Justin, I hope you're doing well just and for others that good point. If we're not seeing somebody expect to see maybe just reach out and make sure they're doing okay. Sounds good. See everybody later. Thanks, folks. Take care everyone by


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All right. I think we're live there. Hello. Hello, everybody. And thanks for joining our inaugural webinar to celebrate International Guide Dog Day. I hope you're all taking a break from your very busy or perhaps not really that busy schedules at the moment to have a bit of lunch and join us in saying hello to some beautiful guide dogs on their very special day. And maybe learn a little bit more about the work we're doing here at Guide Dogs. First of all, I'm going to introduce you to Zena here. Zena is a guide dog in training and in my role as a guide dog mobility instructor, I teach her what it takes to get to the next level. I really love my job. Apart from the obvious, I do get to spend a lot of time with dogs training them. But I really love the next bit when I match these dogs up with a handler, somebody who's blind or has low vision and teach them how to use the dog and travel around with it. It's sort of like teaching somebody to drive a car, but a little bit more complex. It takes a lot of time and effort, but it's all worth it in the end when we see the results. Now, as you may have heard, we've recently welcomed a brand new puppy into the world and we've named her after this very platform. We called her Zoom because we've been spending tons of time on Zoom. It's really helped us keep connected with each other, with our clients, volunteers and supporters. And you are going to meet little Zoom in just a little while. He's only three weeks old. He's very cute. But first, I'd like to take the opportunity to introduce you to our seven panelists joining us today. We'll start down in Victoria where we've got Karen Hayes. She's the CEO at Guide Dogs Victoria and also Alex Hecker. She's the Guide Dogs Victoria Ambassador. Now in New South Wales, we've got the lovely Leah and she has our lovely newborn puppy Zoom. And we've also got Dale Cleaver. He's the CEO at Guide Dogs New South Wales, ACT. And myself, I'm here in Sydney as well. In South Australia, we've got Chelsea Bartlett, Guide Dog Handler with a beautiful Guide Dog Skyler. And then we're going to be heading up to Queensland where we've got Paul Harper. He's a Guide Dog Handler and Associate Professor in Law at the University of Queensland. So plenty to get through. We're going to hear from all the panelists and their puppies over the next half an hour. But first, I think we should start with the star of the show, Leah. Before he explodes with cuteness, can you show us your little friend there, Zoom? Hi, Ryan. So this is Zoom and he's three weeks old. And he is a male yellow Labrador. He was born here in New South Wales in our home raring program. So he's being looked after now by one of our families. So it's very cute. Can you tell us a little bit more about that home raring program and what that involves? Sure. So I might tell you a little bit more about Zoom. Go for it. We all want to hear about him. Yeah. So Zoom's, he's just opened his eyes. You can see he's opened his eyes and he's starting to walk around his pen a little bit more now as well. And he's just started to get teeth. So he's starting to interact a lot more with everybody and his environment. His little personality is coming out a bit too now. So he loves his loves cuddles. So he loves getting cuddles from his puppy raising family. But his mum, Quill, is a black Labrador. And so Quill had had just only Zoom as the only puppy. So yeah, we generally have more, we have between four and five puppies. I mean, five and nine puppies in our litters. So yeah, Zoom's pretty special being the only puppy. Yeah. Well, that is cute. And this home raring program, what does this exist? What is it all about? So the home raring program is where our breeding dogs live with people in their homes. And so they welp the puppies from their homes. So they have them for when they're born till they're six weeks old. So they give them, they supply them with like really loving, stable homes. So with plenty of enrichment, but the puppies then are really well adjusted puppies. Yeah. So little Zoom will be there for six weeks. And it's a really rewarding experience for the families as well.   He's so cute and smudgy. They like newborn babies. They need to eat all the time. They do. Yeah. So Zoom will just be snacking a lot. As you can see, he's really large for his age. He's about three. And that's because he gets all of the good milk to himself. Well, lucky puppy. Thanks so much, Leah. Thanks for introducing us to Zoom. He's the cutest thing I've seen today. That's for sure. We'll hang you on the line there, Leah, for a bit. But we're going to welcome any viewers who have just joined us. If you're wondering what's going on, we're here to celebrate International Guide Dog Day by saying hello to some of our charming guide dogs. Along the way in their journey, we've seen a puppy. I've got a guide dog in training here with me. And right now we might jump down to Victoria and say hello to the CEO of Guide Dogs Victoria. That's Karen Hayes. Karen, I see you've got a dog there as well. What's your little isolation, buddy? Hi, Ryan. Well, I'd like to introduce you to my beautiful ambassador dog, Willow. Willow is a blonde Labrador. She's nine years old. She's a very, very pretty girl. Willow was going through the Guide Dog program. And when they were assessing her, they found that she has very sensitive paws. So she won't work, walk on a gravel path. So she's a bit of a princess, but so she was reclassified. She's an ambassador for Guide Dogs. She goes absolutely everywhere with me. Some people get a company car, Ryan. I got a company dog. And I definitely got the better end of the equation. There's no question about that. Yeah. In all events with me, she's met a lot of VIPs as well, including Prince Harry and Megan. So she's a very, very special girl. Wow. I've just got lumped with the company car, unfortunately. So you have done well there. Now you mentioned that she didn't end up being a guide dog. What are some of the other roles that our dogs take on if that's not really their suited profession? Yeah, look, Guide Dogs Australia is recognised as having one of the best breeding programs in the world. And so all of our dogs play very valuable roles. So those that don't make it as guide dogs, we look at other career paths for them. So like Willow, she had a career path change from guide dogs to marketing. There'll be others that will have a career path change to a pet's therapy dog or an assistance dog. We also have a program with the Frankston Hospital here in Victoria, where we have Kenzo, the director of happiness, who basically provides comfort and support to the frontline medical staff. So he has a very, very, very important role, particularly right now. But there's also a wonderful program in use that we have in New South Wales, which is the New South Wales canine court program that supports, that accompanies victims who are going into court cases and maybe, you know, feeling a level of anxiety. And our dogs really help them just manage some of those anxious moments in that sort of difficult situation. Thanks very much, Karen. We're going to stay down in Victoria and we're going to have a chat to Alex Hecker. She's a guide dog's ambassador. Alex, you've got Linnie there, don't you? She's gorgeous. I do. Thanks, Ryan. So this is Linnie. She's two and a half years old. So she's part of the L-Litter for Guide Dogs Victoria. She was born on the 25th of October in 2017. And she's, I've just got some treats here. So she's looking with those longing eyes right now. So Linnie's litter were all yellow. So she's a yellow three quarters Labrador and one quarter golden retriever actually. It's a little bit more golden than the lovely Willow there. So my journey with Linnie started, hello, come here. My journey with Linnie started when she was eight weeks old. So we went on our puppy raising journey together. And everyone's journey is different, but Linnie was so naughty as a puppy for the first few weeks. She was very loud. She had little temper tantrums. She used to bark at me when I was asking her to do things. Hey, come up here. Everyone wants to see you. There we go. Food motivated, obviously. And yeah, it was, you know, the first few weeks were quite tricky in puppy raising. But then you forget about those weeks and the rest of the journey is so incredible. So Linnie was with me for the whole year. And then we had to say our goodbyes to her when she was 14 months old. So she went in for her guide dog assessment and she passed. And then the guide dogs team down in Victoria decided that they wanted her in their Wildman and Breeding program. So she's now a broody and she's going to have her first lady this year. So we're very excited for that. Yeah, Alex, you touched on that there. I mean, puppy raising, a lot of people may think about that. It must be so hard to give the dog back. But sure, there was lots of, this is hilarious, working with dogs. It's amazing if this doesn't all turn into a disaster. So it must be really tough giving the dog back. But what about some of the great times you had as being a puppy raiser? Yeah, absolutely.  It's such an incredible journey. It's one that will stay with me for life.  It was just a natural thing for me to take on. But as I mentioned, it was definitely challenging and you do have to take into account that it is a 12 month commitment. But it's one that's definitely worthwhile. So being able to take your dog absolutely everywhere is just such a highlight of the entire journey. So Linny here has been to photo shoots. She's been to ladies luncheons. She's been to the horse races. She's been everywhere, you know, the movies. She's even been to the circus. She knows she's on camera. Hey, come here. So yeah, it's so much fun being able to take your puppy everywhere for 12 months. Great. Thanks so much, Alex. It's really nice to meet Linny as well. We might have a look at the next stage of the journey now. A guide dog who's actually out there working as a guide dog. And for that, we're going to head to South Australia. We've got Chelsea down there. Chelsea, can you hear us? And how long have you had your guide dog Skylar for? I can hear you. I've had Skylar for about nine months now. Great. And what does she mean to you? Can you tell us a little about your relationship with Skylar? Sure. So Skylar's, I'll just give you a little bit about Skylar.  She's about two years old. And her relationship means a lot to me, particularly during these times. She's quite a sweet and gentle dog. She's very loyal and loving and wants to be around people all the time and just creating that bond with each other and being out and about with her. It means a lot in getting that freedom and independence as well. Yeah, I guess you just touched on that particularly at this time. The dog's not only providing that independence, but your dog must be providing a lot of companionship and support as well during this time? Absolutely. She's a beautiful dog. Mara has a lot of support and loving care. We look after each other. And she's always coming up to me with a toy to have a bit of a play. And she's been a wonderful distraction from all the things that are happening at the moment with coronavirus. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much for joining us, Chelsea. It's lovely to meet our Skyler there. We're going to go to another guide dog handler now up in Queensland. We've got Paul up there. How are you going there, Paul? And who have you got with you? Paul. How long have you had Sean for, mate? Looks like you've got a strong bond there. Yeah, I got him in 2015. He's my third guide dog. Chester before that and Western before him. Right. And what's the most important thing that Sean has brought to your life? One thing. Now you're narrowing it down. It gives me dignity. It enables me to traverse locations with confidence. It gives me companionship. I went overseas with work just recently on a Fulbright scholarship and I wasn't able to take Sean. And so I had a period without him. And it really gave me that opportunity to reflect and just the importance of a guide dog in getting around without having to concentrate, the freedom, the companionship and the way they really make you a whole person. Yeah, now you're an associate professor in law as well there, Paul. Does that mean your dog has been absorbing a lot of this information, sitting in these lectures and things with you? Is he smarter than the usual guide dog you reckon? I think he's incredibly intelligent. He's obviously asleep through all my lectures. Yeah, very good. Very good. Probably a wise move. Thanks very much for joining us up there, Paul. We had a couple of questions come in through the week. We might just start. We just got a couple. I might get those out. They're ones that I thought were appropriate. This one might be for you back there, Alex. People interested in what it actually... How do you become a puppy raiser? Because it sounds like a pretty, pretty good gig. I think you're on mute there, Alex. There you go. It's all good. I've got this. So, as I mentioned earlier, it's such an amazing experience to be a part of being able to change somebody's life who is vision impaired. It's a really... She keeps sitting down every time I talk. It's a really special thing to be a part of, to be able to say that you and your puppy have played a part in that. So, if anyone does want to get involved, I would suggest jumping onto the Guide Dogs Australia website because you'll be able to find some more information there. You'll be able to apply online to become a volunteer, firstly, for Guide Dogs Australia. And then from there, you'll just go through the puppy raising application process. The intakes are a little bit different state-by-state at the moment in the current situation. So, just to sort of be aware of that. And then from there, you have a couple of last hoops to jump through in terms of puppy raising, home visits, just that sort of thing, just to make sure that you are suitable and that your lifestyle is suitable. And then they will match the puppy to your lifestyle. So, for example, with me, I'm a model and presenter, so I was always on the move. So, the Guide Dogs team matched Linny with me who she's very quiet and calm and quite confident as well. So, they do match the puppy to the individual household, which is pretty cool. They can do that from just a few weeks of age. As well as that, looking after the puppy, keeping it safe, is the most important role as a puppy raiser, making sure that the puppy does become a part of your family. You will be responsible for basic skills teaching the puppy basic sit-down, stay those sorts of commands. You'll also be in charge of socialization. So, being able to take your puppy everywhere is the bonus. And just exposing pup to all different environments from public transport to men wearing hats. Just all sorts of loud noises in different environments which is very important. And that's 12 months of fun in that journey.  If I had a dollar for every time someone said, I can't give the puppy back, I'd be a millionaire. It is a hard time, but it's a very small window of time because you are prepared for it for the whole year. That's what you sign up to do.  And that's looking at the bigger picture, making sure that this dog succeeds in what it does and you play a huge part in that. So, it's a really special thing to be a part of. All right. Thanks very much, Alex. And if anyone out there is interested, head to the Guide Dogs page in your state to find out more info. One last question. I think this one is really appropriate. We just met little puppy Zoom earlier on in the meeting. Who names the puppies? Who names the puppies? I think Karen down in Victoria. You might be right to take on this question. Yes. Thanks, Rob. Well, we have a lady in Guide Dogs Victoria. Her name is Di. She's worked with us for over 40 years. And in fact, her late husband was the very first orientation and mobility instructor in Australia. So, she has a long, long history with us. But her role is to name all of the puppies, but also to keep track of where all the puppies are, because you can't have a dog in the colony that's got the same name while. So, for Willow, she will be the only Willow within our colony until she passes, which hopefully is a long time from now. So, Di keeps a close eye on that. The other opportunity is with our puppy sponsors. So, a lot of people choose to sponsor our dogs. And when they choose to sponsor the dogs, they can actually name the puppies themselves. And a lot of people name them after a parent or just their favourite puppy name or whatever the case may be. But when they do sponsor one of our puppies, they then get the opportunity to follow the whole journey of that puppy becoming a guide dog. So, we connect with that sponsor and from very early stages as a puppy, and then they go through all of the different milestones that the puppy goes through to ultimately becoming a guide dog. And then attending a fantastic graduation ceremony to celebrate the role that this guide dog will play, ultimately being the support for somebody who's blind or has low vision and support them to live independently and safely and live basically, as you've heard from Paul and Chelsea, to live the life that they choose. Thanks, Karen. Now, is there a guide dog down there in Victoria getting around by the name of Karen by any chance? Actually, do you know what? There's not the moment, Ryan. I think we actually need to do something about that. I think you need to get on that. We're just about ready to wrap up for this meeting. We're going to throw it over to the CEO of Guide Dogs New South Wales, ACT, Dale Cleaver to finish off. But before I throw it to him, I might embarrass him here a little bit. He sent this fantastic email out to all staff yesterday, and I want to read you a little quote that he wrote to finish off with. It's quite fitting for these times. He said, finally, in these difficult times, I think there are some great lessons we can learn from our beautiful Guide Dogs. Be present. Focus on the immediate task at hand and don't be distracted. For a dog, every morning is the start of a wonderful day. Every walk is the best walk, and every meal is the best meal, and every interactions with the ones they love is the best interaction. Rejoice in life's simplest moments. Dale, well said, mate. I'm going to hand it over to you to update on our response of the COVID-19 epidemic, pandemic, and also wrap things up. Thank you. Thanks, Ryan, and thank you for being such a great host today. We couldn't have asked for a better one. I would have asked, hopefully, you've seen my dog, which is a terrier.  But hopefully, what you found today is a real opportunity to get to know about the work of the Guide Dogs Network across Australia. I think hopefully what you've seen is some great experiences ranging from what it means to be for our young born puppies, and a particular mention to Zoom, our young puppy there, who we had a real pleasure in celebrating three weeks old, wonderful addition to us, and quite appropriately named, we thought, given the COVID experience. So we're doing a lot of Zoom meetings with our clients and with our people, and so it was a great opportunity for us to recognise that in naming that little cute puppy Zoom. Hopefully what you've also seen is what it means for our clients. The life-changing experience that a dog has in all of our lives, but it's very special indeed when it actually comes to our clients. That dog helps change lives, transforms them, and enables them to have some of the independence that sighted people often take for granted. So hopefully we've given you an insight to that. A little bit of puppy raising, which without the puppy raisers who support our work, we wouldn't be able to provide the guide dogs that we actually do. Those first 12 months in the guide dog puppy's life make such a difference, an important part in the training of a successful guide dog. So hopefully you've seen some of the overview of that, along with some of the simple things that we do, how we go about it, how we name a puppy. So it is a difficult time for everyone right now around the country and indeed around the world. International Guide Dog Day was created to really signify the important role that our guide dogs play in helping people with low vision and blindness and that enables them to lead safe and independent lives. So this year we thought we wanted to celebrate if we couldn't do that in our various events around the country, it was a great way for us to do this in a very alternative way. So this is our first Zoom meeting of this kind. Having said that during COVID, we're supporting our clients and our puppy raisers through technology such as Zoom. So I'd just like to also acknowledge Zoom, who's actually helped fund and provide us and be able to do this for us today. So it's a really wonderful opportunity, we think, to go about celebrating International Guide Dog Day in a very different way. So the recent weeks have also been a chance in our organisation to dig back into that community spirit. We've been around for over 60 years, so we want to particularly thank everyone who has supported us during this challenging time, including our donors, our volunteers, our supporters and the general community who continue to really keep a very positive support for us during this time. We hope that you've enjoyed today's session. It's the first of the kind for us. We've loved being part of it and we've received a number of questions and we will respond to those. Please look out for our Guide Dogs Australia website and our social media channels, including the Guide Dogs Australia Facebook page where we hope to give you more information. But we've enjoyed it, we hope you have too, and it's a great chance to showcase not only our dogs but our work in practice. So thank you. Before we go, we're just going to give you the final word. For those who missed it at the start, we're going to go back to Puppy Zoom. Can we just say hello to Puppy Zoom there, Lea? Just to say goodbye. Thank you very much. Thanks for joining us, guys. See you later. Have a good day.


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It's actually a period of time right now where it's quiet We don't hear any craziness. Ain't all this just wild stuff going on because you know all these past couple days It's been nothing but crazy But it's all good. Yeah, we've stuff has simmered down a bit But anyway, we got some fire questions like we always do team keep it clean. I love y'all Let's do it. The first questions came from my guy Chris K and Stefan M. Chris said what's up team keeping clean? What's up? I much love love the content appreciate it But anyway after the first two Dobbins and Hills holds were pretty much filled with Bell and Freeman another big blow With Gus and Peters go down also as far as the running backs I was really hoping that they will sign Latavius Murray someone that has had success last year And boom it worked out. It really does suck for our guys And I really hope a speedy recovery for all of them at least there was a group of vets to bring in not one not two But actually three replacements at running bag actually four with Trent and in there, too That's unheard of and in a limited role I think they all have something left and they can hopefully play like a Raven. I'm sure they will Okay, my question is for replacing Marcus Peters and adding cornerback depth Would you look at Richard Sherman and do you think they can bring him in also? If you don't like Richard Sherman anyone out there that you would like to see as a raven again Keep up the awesome content appreciate that Chris and my guy step on he was just straight with it He said hey, I got a quick question for you Do you think we should sign Richard Sherman since Peters is out for the season. Tell me what you think So anyway, Richard Sherman I Richard Sherman would be a no for me I wouldn't be mad if they signed him, but and I think worst-case scenario if Somebody else hopefully they don't but if it did happen then maybe they take a look But I'm not sure what other corners are out there right now along with Richard Sherman, but for Richard Sherman specifically He isn't he more like a zone guy and right Ravens are man heavy.  Let's get it That's their style and with Richard Sherman. I just I don't think he would be the best fit Now Richard Sherman has had a lot of success over his career And even though the past couple years with the 49s We know he had the injury with the 49ers and that slowed him up a bit But Richard Sherman still respectable name and whatnot But if you play him and say for instance like one thing that I would be worried about and not to say that it couldn't happen Anybody cuz it could it could but one thing I'll be worried about what what if the Ravens running cover zero and y'all know If I'm talking about cover zero it must be something that's pretty simple cuz y'all know I don't know plays like that, but what if they run in cover zero? So everybody man up no safety help every everybody just got a man you stick with them and they blitz into And Richard Sherman one-on-one and he just so happy to match up with the guy that is pretty fast And Richard Sherman his speed sort of fell off a bit over the years What would happen if that happened and he just got toasted toasted I just I don't know man. Like I said, he's definitely not the worst cornerback in the world And I think push come to shove if they had to bring him on Wink would be able to scheme some stuff with Richard Sherman to try to to make him not be a liability Because you know wink he gonna find a role for you If if you gonna play if you know how to play and you small you got some stuff We ain't gonna find a role for you So you know what I I wouldn't even mind Richard Sherman so much because I feel like wink He will find a way to use him the right way He will find a way to use him Effectively so yeah, I guess I gotta sort of change my answer and I wouldn't mind Richard Sherman It wouldn't be my preference But at the same time I wouldn't mind him cuz I feel like wink they find a way to get it done next question came from my guy Gareth he said ain't great. Do you think it's looking like 2015 all over again? There's something going on cuz we are always healthy. I would love to know what you think Hope you and the family doing great. Shout out the pookie shout out to team keep it clean Thank you for everything you do. Love you bro. Appreciate it. Gareth. Um 2015 no, I don't think it's gonna be that Ravens they always have significant injuries every single year Now this year they've been having them more than ever and earlier than ever But they still have them literally every single year Now on this magnitude Report, but they still get them but 2015 511 do I think the Ravens are gonna have a terrible record while having all these injuries? No, I don't because the Ravens They are even despite the injuries and they've had a lot of injuries But they are still in very good shape. They'll be getting some guys back. They'll be getting Jimmy Smith back any day now They'll be getting Nick Boyle back over the next month. They'll be getting Rashad Bateman back over the next month They'll be getting Miles Boykin back over the next month They did lose all the guys who ain't even got to go over the list But I do not think it's gonna be anything like 2015 as far as the record I think the Ravens are still gonna do good this year Because they are well equipped for this and speaking of being well equipped Now he said that we signed Levy on bail Now now that we signed him Do you think he adds value to the passing game because I've been watching his tape and he's a really good route runner? Sorry, it's been been a minute since I last asked a question. Thanks for everything you do You don't know how much your positivity has helped me love you bro and team keep it clean. Appreciate that man No, y'all y'all positivity helps me man because y'all positivity it shows through comments through questions Through messages through all that stuff man. It goes a super long way, man So I appreciate y'all a lot. Now as far as Levy on bail Yeah, he certainly adds something to the passing game because he gives you a legitimate pass passing threat Coming out of the backfield and not that JK and Gus Edwards and Justice Hill weren't those but Levy on bail It certainly is those he is that and he gives you certified hands It's like with Gus he got hands But he like caught a limited amount of passes like last year and it really over the past couple of years But Levy on bail You keep throwing to him He will keep catching and he has made a lot of play a lot of catches and under contact and whatnot He's made it happen. So that is definitely a huge part of his game and and yet That's a lot of value added to the Ravens. Next question came from my guy John Oh, he said ain't graven been a while since I made a question I would leave you on bail Devonte Freeman Latavius Murray Tyson Williams. Don't forget Trenton Cannon I would he said who's gonna be the starter or at least get the majority of the plays for past plays I believe it'll be Latavius Murray as the main guy, but Levy on bail can get your ball as well Also asking this for fantasy football reasons lol Thank you for the positivity that you bring to my life on a daily basis. I appreciate that man. Um, well, thank you Thank you, John. Um, I Man y'all just y'all crazy man y'all crazy with the support man But I think the starter will be Tyson Williams Reason I say Tyson Williams will be the starter is because he has the most knowledge of the playbook He has the most experience in the Raven system. Now as far as the main pass catching back Early on It could be Latavius Murray And Tyson Williams to can't sleep on him either But yeah, it will be between those two but as far as a starter. I'm going Tyson next question came from my guy Raven pride. He said a engraving. Hope you're in a family. Good. I just want to get right to it What we can't do is predict the future what we can predict is that Lamar will not get any breaks from the media about his performance Even though they know how badly we are hurting at our skill positions. Yes They say next man up, but if you're next man up hurt, then it really becomes a struggle. Yeah, that's true He's not gonna get a pass quote-unquote For everything but he should be in much better position than he was last year One the addition of Sammy Watkins this one to Hollywood another year stronger in Hollywood with his first off-season of his career Because if we remember 2019, he was a rookie. He ain't having off-season He did play in a preseason and the third game against the Washington football team where they put him on punt return But then he like okay Hollywood. No nothing no more But he was hurt the entire off-season and he was really hurt the entire year And then last year, of course, yeah, they didn't have any off-season at all But anyway, my point Hollywood should be stronger better more experienced Wildman Miles Boykin and Bateman. They're missing Pro-Shea and DuVernay last year. They didn't have an off-season. They've been looking a lot better Tyler Wallace. He should be a Contributor I don't think he's gonna contribute so much, but I think he'll be a decent contributor. So His receiver room should be as it is more talented and now along with with with Kiki and TT They should help make things move along that much smoother. So I do think Lamar Regardless of all the injuries and whatnot I still think he should have a pretty good year and the last question on this episode a question from subs also came From my boy Raven's pride. He said just a follow-up on a Stephen A Smith quote about what is and what's not an elite QB first I like to say may God continue to bless you and your family appreciated me and he said and you know We can't do it without his blessing and boy, I sure know that you ain't lying Okay, now on with my thoughts to what Stephen A Smith said first of all to be an elite quarterback in this league What you have to do is make the throws. Let me see Lamar has done that Remember the Jackson 5 he did during his MVP season. Well, he didn't just do one I think he did like two or three as a matter of fact And he said the other thing about being elite is to be creative Who's more creative and dangerous with the ball in their hands? May we say his name now? On this is Lamar, maybe just that good or maybe is he gonna be perhaps this quarterback Who will maybe just maybe take this quarterback thing to another level and then they'll say he was special But not elite so with that I say he will never be elite due to the fact that he wins his way Love you bro. Appreciate it um No, I like I said, I think Lamar is he is definitely elite because if if Lamar was not some elite quarterback Do you think teams are really have to put in all this extra work to? Game plan around him and he was just some old regular whatever quarterback They wouldn't nobody be worried about no Lamar Jackson if Lamar Jackson was not an elite quarterback Why does his name just create so much? Controversy why does everybody get buzzing about him when you see Lamar Jack? Oh, why for what if he was just some old? whatever Then it wouldn't matter this dude has just um He has just absolutely Destroyed a lot of the narratives and a lot of narratives They're not gonna go away whether he destroys them or not But he's shown what he can do and he'll continue to show what he can do now with Lamar Jackson Does he have his flaws as a quarterback? Yeah, of course. He does. He certainly does But is he an elite quarterback? Certainly for sure. We talked about that in the last video, but we talked about that even without stats Without stats, but their numbers that show it too and the thing with Lamar so many people get caught up on The pass yards, that's a big thing that a lot of people get caught up on But with him with Lamar Jackson his touchdown interception ratio is always pretty it's a beautiful thing But something that we got to always remember to this guy sits out so many fourth quarters of games, man Just imagine and I know it's a It's a what if scenario But still just imagine if Lamar Jackson would have played in a lot of these fourth quarters That he sits out because the Ravens be having these crazy leads So he like okay coach like I Lamar. Come on. That's that's it. You look all right cool. So this guy like We love Lamar we're very grateful that we have