a note in the notes um to go back and refer to his comments okay am I back now you're back now yep let's try one more time but we're gonna go ahead okay I'm sorry okay no what I was gonna say is before you start the comments that you made at the beginning of the meeting I'm instructing our our clerk to make a reference saying that your comments in the beginning need to be added here so that it's part of okay record okay but go ahead you've got your thank you so much let's try okay I don't really I don't even need all the three minutes but the bottom line is that uh I'd like to add on to the issue of this 180 thousand dollars that that was never at least in my letters never offered as a settlement for aggregate to go forward with this uh in fact I specifically stated there were other concerns that that would not cover and I also included Mr. Rademacher I also sent letters to the attorney for aggregate that uh the uh offer was not an offer and should not be considered an offer in any way because of these other considerations and uh let's see and again this issue of the notice Ms. Holly Cook did state I believe correctly that she accidentally found out because the discussion was made with the neighbor and not her we believe that adequate notice has not been yet officially provided for this project and therefore should not go forward and should not be approved at tonight's meeting until that has been further investigated uh with respect to anything else that I might add I think Ms. Cook uh did a pretty good job in in stating what her objections were and I would again appreciate the letter of October 8th being entered into tonight's meeting on the record I think it fully explains our position on this matter and that being said I thank the council for hearing me and again uh certainly thank them for their concerns over health and the environment and uh I do think that the letter will fully explain that this 180 thousand by the way if you read it in that agreement what I say the lord giveth sometimes the lord taketh away because right in the paragraph just below that 180 thousand it basically says that that money is not available or budgeted then all the parties are relieved from their obligations so that clause with respect to the 180 thousand could become very meaningless and therefore I think needs further investigation as well with that being said I thank council for uh it's uh listening and uh we'll certainly impose upon them to please not pass this resolution or this amendment to the uh original uh use of this property or this road and not do it until there's further investigation into this matter thank you all right uh thank you so just sort of curious do we have a copy of that letter you have it all right we have it we can enter it in the record which which letter the he said his October 8th letter that he sent to the city I think he's also sent the same letter to the council members you all have received that right but can we make sure that it just gets put into the minutes tonight as part of the public hearing correct let me forward that to yeah I will forward that to Don to be included in the in the record okay great all right next caller all right the final caller that we have here is ending in 633 guest 633 you should be able to unmute yourself guest 633 are you able to join us star 6 to unmute hi hello hello we can hear you go ahead and state your name and address and you have three minutes oh Mary Ann Regai um I've met 70 21st Avenue uh Aspen Meadows senior apartments in long line um I don't know I'd be asked to speak so soon so it's only five to ten but anyway um I'd like to bring up if I may um what was discussed at the beginning of the well near the beginning of the meeting about the um uh map the um virus spreading in um uh Boulder County in Boulder in Longmont and all the towns apparently here in Boulder County um the issue for Mary Ann I'm going to have to ask you call back at the end of the meeting okay I don't know why she um I don't know why she asked me to speak now so I apologize the only reason I'm doing that is I don't want to begin um we'd love to hear from you we always love to hear from you but if we if we allow thank you I just want to make sure that we don't have people starting to call in to try to cheat the system by addressing their other concerns when we're we're talking no that wasn't mine I wasn't sure why Mary Ann you're you're awesome we love hearing from you but if you could call back thank you last call public invited be heard that would be awesome okay I will thank you so much all right thank you all right bye bye all right bye bye okay so any other debate as we we'll just go uh mayor for them uh thank you very badly I just actually first uh clarification since we have to take these one at a time in essence uh would you like our comments to be specific to each one or would would you like us let's let's just go let's just go one at a time and then okay if somebody has an issue about that specific one my my bigger my overall concern as we get going is uh Dale uh can you my my question is are we gonna if we approve all but one is it gonna screw everything up the answer is yes and then the next question I have as we proceed forward is there any chance whatsoever that we need to go back and give notice and if we do have to go back and give notice to start the process over in order to comply with law what do we ever have Eugene address that Eugene here in council Eugene may uh city attorney uh I'm unaware of any notice this is an IGA with Boulder County in an agreement with aggregate industries these are properties that aren't in the city of Longmont these are Boulder County properties with a Boulder County road I don't know any obligation that the city would have to provide property owners notice okay so that's it this is a bullet till rightfully so what they should go to Boulder County and discuss this issue with them if there's notice that's what we're hearing okay all right let's go it councilmember peck so just so as we vote on these just so I understand this is only an IGA for maintenance of this road and it is not for use of the road is that correct mayor vaguely and councilmember peck I would describe it as it is an IGA that is being entered into with the county uh contemplating the use of the road as the haul route for the money and I don't know if that answers your question but that's the underlying outcome of it it includes the various mitigation efforts to address any impacts that that might result from that use of hauling for that interim time while the mining is occurring okay so if I can kind of help on this it is a Boulder County road that is open to use by the public because of the weight limit issue Boulder County had to authorize the use of the road and in authorizing the use of the road they said here's what we want you to do and what to look at in order for us to let you use the road so the IGA is with Boulder County allowing aggregate industries to utilize the road of which the county commissioners approved this morning uh mayor protel thank you mayor vaguely my my comments actually are specific right now to uh ordinance 20 20 62 the first item underneath the costco list and it was that we received obviously various emails and have been receiving various emails from the folks in harvest junction one email characterized my comments the other week as trying to guarantee some sort of specific greenway buffering between the neighborhoods and the development that wasn't the impetus behind my comments my comments are really that this process is so early that we can't make any sort of judgments or guarantees based on that because it has not truly gone through the development process that the city has and that's why I made the comments I did is that it will go through that that city process it will have the time to have community you know community meetings between the developers and the community and our city staff and for there to be comments and to be input about greenways and parks and the siting of things as well as with the affordable the proposed affordable housing the city is taking on that's obviously even closer to the vest for us as the city in the sense that we have much more control over the design as well as the process of that because we are the the property owners as the city and so there will be a lot of opportunity for the community at harvest junction to weigh in and to give their input for both developments because they are separate not to mention obviously the the pieces that the goldens are are retaining so all of those things will have to go through our development process which is a ways down you know down the road as I think was indicated by the timeline where we're not even expecting this thing to be fully constructed until I think I heard 2022 at this point I think that was one projection that was said so I just wanted to clarify that I'm not guaranteeing parks and greenways I'm just guaranteeing input will there be plenty of opportunity for input by the community great points great points mayor pro tem Rodriguez councilman martin yeah I'd also like to talk about that because what I think the mayor pro tem can guarantee what we all can guarantee is that the same process that any other building project gets in terms of land use planning zoning and approval will be applied in this case so we're not absolving Costco of having to meet our building codes our land use codes are the obligation to conduct public hearings all that is still in the future and you know when there is uncommitted land in in at any point adjacent to your property those processes can apply to the land adjacent to your property and that's just the way it is all right let's go ahead then and run through some ordinances all right let's start with 10d1 ordinance 2020 we'll go ahead and close the public hearing for item 10d let's go ahead and run through the run through each one so 10d1 ordinance 2020-62 bill for an ordinance probing a public private partnership agreement among diamond g concrete company Costco wholesale corporation in the city of Longmont in furtherance of development of a Costco membership warehouse i'm going to approve the ordinance 2020-62 well warehouse facility affordable housing and additional commercial retail uses we have a motion by dr waters we have a second by council member christensen or was that council member back no it doesn't matter all right we'll go with council member christensen all right seeing no further debate or discussion all in favor say aye aye aye opposed say nay ordinance 2020-62 passes unanimously all right uh item 10d2 ordinance 2020-63 a bill for an ordinance emitting title for the Longmont ministry code on revenue and finance by creating the harvest junction east special revenue fund do we have a motion i will i will council member martin yeah i'll move uh 2020-63 that's moved moved by uh by uh doc martin moved by council member martin and it was seconded i think by council member peck by a way of her hand first but with all due respect dr waters so we'll go ahead and all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2020-63 passes unanimously item 10d3 ordinance 2020-64 bill for an ordinance making additional appropriations for expenses and liabilities the city of longmont fiscal year beginning january 1 2020 do we have a motion dr waters i'll move i'll move hang on a second i'll move approval of ordinance 2020-64 i'll second all right it was moved by dr waters seconded by uh council member doggie faring all in favor of ordinance 2020-64 say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2020-64 passes unanimously item 10d4 resolution 2020-130 a resolution of the longmont city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and boulder county concerning use maintenance and repair of quick silver road it um uh do we have a motion i'll move approval i'll second that so it was moved by dr waters seconded by myself all in favor of resolution 2020-130 say aye aye opposed say nay all right resolution 2020-130 passes unanimously uh item 10d5 resolution 2020-131 a resolution along of the longmont city council approving an agreement and revokeable permit with aggregate industries w say our ink for maintenance of quick silver road and access to north 119th street we have a motion i will move resolution 2020-131 thank you was moved by myself and seconded by council member martin all in favor of resolution 2020-131 say aye aye opposed say nay resolution 2020-131 passes unanimously and finally 10d6 resolution 2020-132 a resolution along what city council authorizing loans from fund balance the city's fleet fund the harvest junction east special revenue fund and the affordable housing fund and providing for repayment of the loans from the harvest junction east special revenue fund and the affordable housing fund councilmember christensen 2020-132 all second was moved by councilmember christensen it was seconded by council member y'all councilmember y'all the fairing all in favor of resolution 2020-132 say aye aye opposed say nay all right resolution 2020-132 passes unanimously we've got no items removed from the consent agenda let's move on to general business herald the times years to discuss a long-winded waste services councilmember christensen we removed item d yeah but we removed it we removed it from do we remove it from discussion tonight did we not staff removed it completely no mayor that was item d on general business item d on consent was removed by councilmember martin ah okay we'll go ahead and i was i was under the i got those confused so d is back on the books so let's go ahead and proceed councilmember martin and councilmember christensen what do you want to talk about with number d um what i didn't move any remove anything from the consent agenda i i asked that that ah okay councilmember christensen oh i think d did get removed it did get removed so yeah so do we want to do we want to discuss this or yes okay go ahead councilmember christensen okay um well um we all got a copy of the uh environmental report which uh john peck councilman peck um asked for and uh i find this really very interesting i'm looking at the summary and there are many many i'm looking at pages four through six on this summary from 1915 and 2015 march of 2015 um and there are nine uh recommendations or nine summary items and uh i'm not going to read them all because i'm not going to but i assume that most of you read them and it worries me because i don't know who's going to be sure that you know this um was passed the planning and zoning board conditional upon them with the condition that they do some that they have an environmental report and that they do some mitigation i'm wondering who's going to be sure that they do this because there are very serious problems having to do with um it says here we believe these concerns can be the site presents challenges for the plan development the geotechnical concerns include undocumented compressed fill shallow groundwater erosion and scour we believe these concerns could be mitigated with proper planning engineering design and construction um concerns associated with existing fill may influence land use so there are a number of very serious things having to do with uh flood potential groundwater because it used to be a lake um landfill which is going to cause subsidence these are you know we i think this is going to be a very good development or it could be a very good development i'm worried about the people who are buying into this development though we want what is built here to be good quality and not cause problems for homeowners if there is they're talking about three uh to three and a half inches of potential sediment for new fill heights of six feet with no building loads um but when you put a building load over that um they're suggesting that they need to have either deep foundations anchored in bedrock or shallow foundations foundations after fill removal um and suggesting under drain systems i mean this is you know very challenging and i'm sure that the people building this know that but i am just i want to make sure that somebody is going to be monitoring this mitigation and that we're not going to be building stuff that's going to start sinking leaking uh causing all kinds of problems and also once they start working on building this leaking leaching um things into the ground into the river that are uh toxic or damaging to the to the um wildlife there uh both at the site and further down the site because you know it's a beautiful river so um i'm wondering who's going to who's going to be sure that this stuff actually does get mitigated in the way that it's suggested by this uh our mcs report uh yes good evening mayor council members eva pehejewski planning and development services we're processing the annexation entitlement application with our team tonight we have uh chris huffer from public works who reviewed the environmental reports as well as josh sherman who's the project manager for the resilient st rain project um we also have um the applicant and the property owner here david starne's and david wildner here as well to answer any questions you may have but in general your general question is who will over make sure that these are taken care of certainly that's the that's the purpose of our public works and our building safety department in plan review um again this is not a development application it's annexation so um at the time of development application they would be required to give us a brand new geotech report update their environmental reports and our public works engineers would ensure that all of the buildings and all of the design meet city standards and don't harm the environment um certainly chris is here he's reviewed some of the environmental reports again josh is here if you have any questions about uh the resilient st rain project paulie does that answer your questions enough well so given that this was a lake because you know what's left of it is uh isaq walton punt um uh and that there's a lot of uncompressed fill which is true all up and down the river it was you know for years just a dumping ground that's the way people thought about rivers but um how far down is the bedrock if people want to build on that how far down is the bedrock because that could be extremely expensive if they have to go all the way down to bedrock to build a foundation uh mayors and members of council chris hopper with public works engineering um to try and answer your question uh the geotech report indicates that bedrock is somewhere between eight and 15 feet oh the surface now um and that this is not necessarily an unusual event as you indicated um but as we move forward with the development he has will certainly be looking for uh as ava indicated a new geotech report with uh more specific recommendations for how they'll address these issues um and it'll be up to the developer to decide if they are going to over excavate and remove a lot of that material and build it back up or if they're going to try and put peers down to to bedrock as he indicated um and um well we did a lot of a lot of flood mitigation all along there after the report came out or I don't know whether it was after 215 or before because it was around 213 that the flood came so are we comfortable with the um the flood mitigation study and uh the flood mitigation work that we've done which will now be maybe somewhat disturbed by any new development there so go ahead here I'm sorry no oh oh Dale so the only work we've done in that location is actually sunset as we're moving oh for the bridge we've got to move up with the project and so Isaac Walton is actually the area that we're working on with the army core and then the next phase is where we get into that piece and that's what Josh oh okay okay so we just worked around the bridge okay did it Dale did I get it I'm trying to not drag this further but that is correct the and the army core is certainly aware of any potential issue their final design will take that into account which they're getting underway with at this point I also recall and I believe within the last year or so that additional um onsite geotech explorations were done based on some questions that we all had at that time as well um and am I correct on that Ava and Chris sorry can you say that again Dale I believe last year or so when we had questions about the pending annexation public works requested that that the developer conduct additional onsite geotech borings in order to ascertain whether or not there was any potential for uh contamination or other issues uh within the area and um I was the official that Ruby Bowman met with and I did provide her the information that showed that this property had been previously mined and obviously subsequently refilled um but I'm trying to remember if that if I'm remembering that correctly Chris yes um there was some additional work done I can't remember exactly when it occurred but there were additional borings that were out there that confirmed the ascertainment that the site has been filled with sand and rubble material or used or it's uh used concrete um and so in looking at that report that that confirmed that they had not found any landfill type material other than the sand and gravel and that type of material at that point in time and it was consistent with the ascertainment of it being a pond at one point in time being higher at both ends and lower in the middle and that's what we looked at at that point in time thanks Chris that that was what I recalled all right we're going to go with councilman martin and are we close to having our ankle I guess we have a lot of questions councilman martin and councilmember waters the councilmember you thought it looked very in a council member effect I was my hand that was just restraining my cat well thank you uh councilmember waters uh the eastern edge of this property obviously it is along the same brain um how is it classified in our red yellow green uh uh I don't know uh tiers or categories with respect to the sES my assumption is that would be red uh David Dell could probably respond to that councilmember waters or don good evening mayor vaguely uh councilmember waters dombershop planning manager so the uh st brain river is all identified as green on our maps so I turned it around and don i'm sorry it was in the category where we would we would be applying the 150 foot setback this this falls into that that this falls into the hundred yeah I I flipped I flipped our color code I apologize that's okay um and so if there were any variances needed with the development of this property it would fall under the sES and city council would be the decision maker on any variances for non conformance to the standards is there any bit any discussion about the donation from the property owner the donation of that 150 foot setback to the city I am not aware of any councilmember waters um I know that as part of our development review we typically look at getting our minimum dedications for the greenway that are required by the land development code to be given to the city when they plough the property um but I'm not aware of specific negotiations Ava or the public work staff may be but I I am not in any of that um as you go through that process in terms of the what would be donated to the city to maintain the greenways would this fall into into that uh not I guess provision or or consideration so mayor bagley councilmember waters is part of the annexation typically on the concept plan we identify the areas that are going to be dedicated to the city the greenway is one of those areas we would be identifying typically the width of that that would be given to the city by code and then at time of platting we would solidify the design and the dimensions of that property that are going to be dedicated to the city is open space for the greenway again I'm not aware of uh specifically what that distance is Ava may uh yes thank you don mayor and council members councilmember waters uh there is a no on the concept plan that does say that they have to provide the 150 foot greenway buffer so that is a no on the concept plan and then if this were annexed and they come in with the development application that is where we would fine tune the details of that land area and the dedication on the plant do you consider that then a don't that they would be required to donate that 150 that whatever that whatever the footage is obviously the 150 foot but to comply with uh what we need for greenways yes we call it a dedication but it's same thing yes all right thank you all right who was next councilmember dial affairing mayor uh actually uh councilmember peck and then mayor pro ten thank you mayor bagley I do I do have a couple of questions but um I just want to state that I thought that the environmental study in 2015 was very fun reading um they didn't really inspect the land they just scared at it from uh outside offense and then anecdotally asked other people what they thought of it and I I thought it was surprising that nobody asked the golden family about that lake and and their drilling operation so that was quite fun reading um and I do want to thank Justin McClure for at least in his presentation he gave aerial maps so that you could actually see the lake um so my other my one question is that the city purchased a portion of that land is that correct so was that was that purchase for the resilient st frame st rain uh construction or remediation whatever you want to call it or was it um well to comply with the fact that an annexation has to uh about city property uh councilmember peck it was uh specifically for the resilient st rain project uh because we had critical timelines for getting our funding from fema and um I believe josh can answer those questions specifically uh but we they were in a time crunch so the city had to acquire that piece yes and that was for rsv all right that's what I wanted to know but I do have concerns number one uh that we do not have a concept plan with this annexation and the reason is the very first public meeting that I went to there was a concept plan with uh with a restaurant near uh st with near the st rain and some work uh work I'm losing my thought process some residents uh et cetera where is that come where is that uh plan are they going to continue with that concept plan is there going to be a different one and the reason I'm asking is because I'm concerned about the uh scour risk and the erosion as we've learned or as I've learned from the 2013 flood that water always goes back to its original uh original course so if we're having underground flooding it's going to go back to that st rain and how will that work with the scour and erosion I mean just looking forward so councilmember peck uh mayor and councilmembers so what happened was initially uh an application came in for this property for annexation and you're correct it did have a concept plan with just slightly some more detail of a mixed use project that application was withdrawn uh and the applicant uh took that away and then they restarted the application process again and when they reapplied for annexation the second time uh they did have a more generalized concept plan that did not have a site specific site plan laid out on it and that is very typical it's not required by code to have a specific site plan in your concept plan and that's pretty typical for annexations where they just come in and they say we'd like to zone the property this consistent with whatever is in our comprehensive plan and envision long line and then once it's annexed in um they they play around with it try and figure out what the market drive is for that property what's the highest and best use and that's where they come up with site plans uh so that you are correct you saw something a long time ago but that concept plan was withdrawn this application was then resubmitted as a brand new application and the concept plan was left more generalized and vague didn't have a specific site plan to it the traffic study did contemplate oh i'd have to pull it up it was in your packet but it contemplated um a mix of retail office flex office uh things that are allowed in the mixed use employment zone so i just want to say i i totally agree that this needs to be developed and um i i understand the zoning through envision long line but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should so i'm very concerned about if there is uh residential development that it is taken into effect that this scour and erosion is there and we don't put people in a uh in an untenable position when we are going to have another flood um the other thing and this is this isn't really important but i caught it is that um in the documentation uh it was stated that it was it met a vision long months uh transportation multimodal plan that vrt on 119 was going to go down bow and i mean boston to bow and um but there won't be any stops on boston it's it's a regional it is not a local bus route and they're just going down boston to get to first avenue to get to our station so that that's really not a multimodal for residents that might happen in 2040 or possibly when we get our train they'll do that together but um i think that's important so thanks i hear pro tem uh thank you mayor bagley i'm sure probably some of my other colleagues on council have also met with mr mcclure but for you know full disclosure i've met with mr mcclure a little over a year ago i believe um and i will say a couple things that stood out to me is he's got a lot of energy um and in my conversation with him i definitely conveyed the fact that the riparian area the the same brain is a sensitive area to many people in the city and that anything he would do would have a lot of uh resident comments on it and input from folks and he seemed very amenable to it which i appreciate uh he said he was willing to at least with his conversation with me me with anybody that was part of the the you know organized group much less any other residents that are concerned with the same brain and anything developed along those lines uh but the other thing that stood out to me was it seemed like he had a real passion for as he termed it horizontal infrastructure um and that would be everything that people are really concerned about as far as foundations and and how the soils and the and the fill is for the site and things along those and if you look at some of his uh other projects he did take on notably hard to develop sites and did them successfully in say lewisville and other places in the carbon valley um so i don't i don't doubt his expertise or his ability to hire the right people to adequately develop uh infrastructure on a difficult site i know he has a lot of ideas which we may disagree or agree about as far as how to finance those kinds of uh improvements but at the same time i don't doubt his ability to do it in a sustainable way that is also respectful of the environment um outside of that as i think has been noted we are talking about an annexation and in this case this annexation happens to be an enclave within our city which i think are more important to get annexed into city limits than say some of our uh outlying pieces of of property that are not yet in the footprint for the city but lie on our outskirts of town so i i definitely would be um supportive of this annexation request specifically because it is an enclave and i i generally and i've stated this many times and more for the city of longmont having control over these properties as far as regulation in development than allowing our counterparts which i have no qualms with but allowing our counterparts in bolder county to choose what goes within our city essentially so i will support this annexation okay i'm hoping we can go ahead and all right council martin i'm i move uh ordinance 2021 uh 01 second all right it's been moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2021-01 passes unanimously and i was removed forever not forever just tonight right city staff yeah i was removed until january 5th not july 5th january 5th okay all right and we'll need to convert january 5th into a regular meeting all right can we do that or do you need a motion just do it right if we need a motion we'll let you know but i think we can do it all right so it's currently 10 30 i'm i'm i'm in a great mood but i am getting tired so let's go to 12 a long month waste services program review how do you get this yeah erica you're i assume pulling our slides up nice beard the sage there we go all right thanks so mayor members of long month city council and bob alan director of operations and public works and natural resources and i'm here tonight to talk about our waste services program i've got a presentation that's fairly brief i'll try to bang through it i do want to start out and say that um like to acknowledge the men and women that work in waste services they've had a pretty challenging year this year with the pandemic a lot more people at home generating a lot more trash a lot more cars parked around residential neighborhoods they have to navigate and they've actually done an excellent job and put in a lot of hours doing it this year i'd also like to acknowledge charles camminities he's your way services guru charlie's very passionate it's great to work with he spends a lot of time talking to residents stakeholders and community groups and he's a real resource asset to the city and um wanted to acknowledge him for that next slide or first slide so um what want to really cover four things here tonight i'd like to give you a very quick and brief overview of the program talk about some key indicators that we have talked about before talk a little bit about some of the the potential future for some of our key services and then have some discussion and hopefully get some direction on how we proceed tonight or after tonight so next slide our waste services program is guided substantially by our sustainability plan in effect that plan and the goal for that plan is to divert waste from landfills and overall we'd like to see 50% residential waste diversion by 2025 i'm not here tonight to have a presentation about the environmental impacts of solid waste that is not diverted away from landfills but i think those are well documented i think those who spoke earlier tonight the community members and stakeholders did a really good job of articulating some of those concerns i thought that video that molly briggs played was uh was good entertaining and and really hit on some of the key issues of greenhouse gas emissions and the problems associated with you know creating virgin materials for products without recycling so i thought they did a good job with that um obviously you can reasonable people can debate the urgency and um um you know some of the the level of the problem but i thought that that was was not over or understated and they did a good job with that next slide one of the projects that we did recently take on that has a net benefit to the city and environment is the conversion of about half of our solid waste fleet over to compress natural gas we're in effect using the gas now that comes from the wastewater treatment plant that we had previously had to flame off that we weren't using and and moved away from using diesel we hope to convert in by 2024 to convert that fleet over fully but a good a good project and if you have any questions about that later i have the project manager john gauge on with us tonight too and he can certainly help or answer any questions next slide so i want to start just showing what we have heard most commonly from all sources stakeholders community members other staff members um about the future of the program we have heard and i'm not here advocating tonight that's not my role it's to help facilitate this discussion so that you can give us policy direction but the three things we've most commonly heard is a desire to enhance or expand participation residential composting the implementation or adoption of a universal recycling ordinance of some kind and better options particularly nearby for hard to recycle items in the community so keep those in mind as we work through this and we can certainly circle back to discussion on those and other topics next slide quick background on the program longmont trash was municipalized in 1948 up until about 1992 we were hauling waste to a city-owned landfill cheap and easy that that closed at that time and now we haul waste to the front-range landfill sometime around that time i don't know exactly when recycling began in longmont um eco cycle was instrumental in helping the community develop that i think it started with some really simple options of setting you know melt crates to the curb with newspapers and aluminum in it and progress to a multi-stream recycling options and carts to a single stream option in 2010 in 2017 we added a voluntary curbside composting program and in 2017 when we adopted pay-as-you-throw rates or more aggressive pay-as-you-throw rates we adopted also the first every other week trash option in that we're aware of in colorado next slide the primary services obviously our core services which are curbside trash and recycle and then the operation of the waste diversion center as i mentioned the voluntary composting program some a la carte services for large item collection on request and dumpster rentals next slide please supplemental services um i think most of you are aware of these they range from paper shredding to some holiday recycling events um our popular leaf fall leaf and spring branch collection programs household hazardous waste zero waste for city events a few little ad hoc things along with these from time to time but these are the core ones next slide our um despite some of the concerns that it's not easy to recycle some hard to recycle items in longmont we actually do have options for quite a few different things at our waste diversion center in addition to the single stream you can drop off their cardboard shredded paper we also take styrofoam plastic bags motor oils batteries bulky metals the main operation there is the tree limb reception and grinding and then we will provide mulch back to our residents at no cost next slide our current rates um i know most of you have seen these uh you all pay these um the goal here was to have about um double the cost for double the size so you'll see that in the rate structure and um as pointed out i think by somebody who called in earlier tonight you can also rent an extra large or small container and um and of course the optional composting next slide please city also charges a waste management fee it's uh 296 per month per resident it generates about 1 million annually um that fee is used for waste collection you know for government operations and facilities so parks and recreation city facilities illegal dumping encampments along the river that we clean up downtown trash and recycle that's from first avenue up to longs peak city sponsored events we use it for outreach and education and some of our sustainability work that's solid waste related one thing that i will mention here is there are restrictions legal restrictions on how this money can be used so we can use it for um you know government properties and government programs but we can't use it to subsidize programs that are provided by private haulers so in other words we couldn't collect this money um and use it to subsidize the cost of a composting program a curbside recycling or composting program that would be a restriction on the use of that fee next slide please the pay-as-you-throw rate structure was implemented in 2017 um at that time uh or before that you paid about 50 percent more for double capacity um that rate is up to about 90 percent more now for double capacity uh next slide please so the impact of that this is the distribution of the two card sizes in 2016 and prior to pay-as-you-throw we had about 80 participation for subscription to the 96 gallon next slide please when we met with you back in April of 2018 we showed you these metrics and that number had dropped from 79 percent down to 65 percent for the 96 gallon container and our every other week subscription was up at 7 percent at that time also an increase in 48 gallon subscription next slide please um as of september of 2020 we're at about 58 participation in the 96 gallon container and up to 10 percent in the every other week the the goal with the pay-as-you-throw rates when we set them with our consultant was about 50 subscription in the long term in the 96 gallon i expected in two or three years will probably be there next slide please in 2018 after about a year of um the voluntary composting program we presented to you that we had 14 participation and next slide please next next slide hmm i think we skipped over um what were you missing um 21 percent the slides look remarkably similar so 14 percent in march of 2018 and 21 percent in september 2020 yes yes they look very close yes sorry um so we're up at um as of september up to 21 percent next slide please so municipal waste diversion waste diversion for our residential waste at the curb is about 26 percent that's a solid number um that's still you know in many respects relatively low probably you know anywhere from 50 to 75 percent of what is set out at the curb can fairly easily be recycled so it's a good solid number when you include the diversion at the waste diversion center that jumps jumps up to about 35 to 40 percent diversion so solid diversion rates and they're really very solid for colorado which is was mentioned earlier tonight has a relatively low rate um in the u.s but long months doing a good job but there is a lot of room there for improvement um total waste diversion is unknown um we do have private private haul reporting that is improving um we don't really know how many businesses um and multi families recycle um some certainly do but we don't um feel that we have the day to really start advertising a number for total diversion in the city um that's something we hope to have though moving forward into the future next slide please so let's talk a bit about the future some of the programs um when rates were set and a voluntary program started in um 2017 our consultant told us we there was a lot of debate about whether we do opt in or opt out um our consultant told us that pretty much any approach we took eventually would converge with about 25 percent participation um that that was what they had seen um in in study sites across the u.s and i think particularly they looked at some locations up in the pacific northwest area we are now getting close to 22 percent i noticed the numbers this month i expect that that will continue to slow down and will probably converge with about 25 percent if that is going to change it will probably take um and and we certainly have spent time in a couple different efforts to promote it they gave little bumps both times so they did help and they helped with the awareness um but over time much like we saw with our recycling program um there was a really a lower not a as high a return on the investment in the outreach for the program now that's not to say it's not important it is very important still but what i'm saying is that other efforts will need to be taken if we expect that to increase those efforts couldn't include charging more for trash so um more aggressive pays you throw rates um it's also likely that if you included the fee in the subscription much like we do with recycle that eventually many more residents would use it most people like to use things they pay for particularly when they get a cart for it so those are a couple options for how the the needle could move on that program also multifamily composting is um you know an untapped opportunity still in longmont i will say um longmont sanitation our program can only serve multi families up to eight units most of these are larger complexes that would be served by private haulers so some of the problems we do see out there is a lot of them don't have good landings and facilities even for the ones we provide recycle at sometimes we have a lot of challenges getting to the to the dumpsters of the carts and and that's something that would have to be addressed over time next slide please future of recycle um certainly we'd like to enhance curbside diversion we think there's a lot more opportunity there we have spent a lot of effort on outreach education on that topic we found really after the single stream program was launched in 2010 it was around 2015 2016 at really participation or the amounts that were recycled really tended to flatten out so if we're going to move the needle there probably need to continue with outreach and education that's certainly going to be very important but it's possible that we would need once again even more aggressive pay as you throw rates to incentivize that we don't know that as I mentioned earlier the commercial levels but that that is also an untapped potential it's likely that a future for solid waste in all of Colorado you know will become and the U.S. you know in general will become instead of the current weekly trash and every other week recycle and compost and every other week trash and weekly recycle and compost that would be a real good measure of success in the future there were comments tonight and we have heard a lot from residents to provide multiple bins for recycle we would like to address that with the next code revisions we think there's a way to do that there probably possibly could be a little bit of a fee for that that would be up to council what I do know though is that if we just open it up and offer a second bin we do have concerns those bins are expensive and they're expensive to maintain we have concerns that they just get requested and used for other things are not used at all and you know to equip the whole community with a 96 gallon cart is you know in the millions of dollars range it's above a million dollars it's very expensive so we would have to deal with that in rates or cost recovery somehow there are many ways that could be done however next slide please future rates and pay as you throw we are currently funded for the programs that we deliver today with some growth in the community we would we're at a point now where we need to add an employee that's something we intend on doing the first of the year that would be just to address some of the growth in the community we have not added employees to our solid waste program for it's been 10 or more years other than the employees that we added for the composting program and the equipment we added but we've been very stable but we're getting to a point now where we're going to overwhelm our our you know our FTEs and our equipment if we take on new programs or we get much more growth which I don't really expect but I do think that if we expand programs we certainly would need to add add equipment and employees certainly modifications could be made to stimulate recycling and and composting and and that's something we can talk about or we can research at your direction the waste management fee can be changed we that hasn't it's fairly low for the region it's charged only to residences certainly it could be increased or it could be expanded beyond just residential participation if there was a desire to do that and that fee once again can be used for sustainability programs outreach education community programs things that aren't provided by private haulers or the private sector next slide please future the waste diversion center this this one's a little bit of a head scratcher it's been a great reliable facility for a long time and it continues to provide a good service to the community it is however outdated it it needs some types of updating there are programs that we did you heard it tonight we used to operate out of this facility and the public works facility out on airport road those certainly were programs that were popular particularly when a city population was a fair amount lower they were started when the city was much smaller unfortunately they began to overwhelm our facilities and our resources and now to make that next changed if we're to have more options for hard to recycle or you know large items that would even go to the trash we would really have to take a quantum step up in the facilities and the staffing to do that we think that possibly collaboration with the county is a better option and maybe some of the options that would be more conveniently located in the Longmont we are currently you know in in discussions and some level of collaboration with the county on that they're looking at a facility we know in in the county that's a little closer to Longmont that might help even just a different facility to get rid of green waste could open up some options it could allow us to expand the current facility or maybe move to another similarly sized facility and really just focus on you know solid items that aren't the green waste items but we think that there is probably more conversation and collaboration discussion to be had there before we start looking at updating our current site and for that reason we've held back about 1.5 million that we had earmarked for updates to that facility not wanting to spend the money in a way that really would not be that helpful to the community the Charm facility Boulder does offer options it is a bit of a drive from from Longmont it's not horrible but it it does provide good options for hard to recycle items that's operated by EcoCycle there are a lot of local private options we put that in the packet a lot of companies that provide options for many hard to recycle items we have not advertised those on our website it's a little dicey when you start advertising or showing you know private companies you know more because it can change quickly or they can come and go but that is certainly something we could look at in the future that might be helpful to residents next slide please so these are some items just so you know that we do not accept at Longmont electronics you know large furniture and mattresses porcelain items fire extinguishers books are things you know textiles we don't recycle obviously we don't have facilities for construction and demolition debris and we don't have local facilities for household you know chemicals or hazardous materials we do have events in Longmont for those and then there is a facility in Boulder that our residents can participate in or take materials to next slide please future of outreach and education it's very important that we you know maintain current levels of recycle and composting we don't want to lose ground there so we do need to keep those programs rolling you know to at least keep that and anytime there's a program change that might affect those programs that we we jump on that with good outreach and good education um preventing contamination you know and recycle bins and compost bins are important community messaging um you know enhancing sustainability efforts and regional efforts are important improving online outreach is something we'd like to see more of in the future the our outreach with st. Rain Valley school district you heard some comments about eco cycles green star program and we contribute to that there's certainly more you can always contribute more to any of these programs and and efforts um and so um they're important and we intend to continue to do that i know eco cycle has offered and continues offered a collaborate on outreach and education we have done that um there's certainly some opportunities for that moving into the future as well next slide please so other other means to increase waste aversion these kind of circle back to some of the comments you heard from the community tonight um the universal recycling ordinance could certainly target um you know in addition to residential the commercial multifamily and and construction demolition types of wastes um plastic bag ordinance is always something that could be considered i think the future will probably look more at producer responsibilities to recycle products that's probably you know more regional and state efforts to do things like that but um as i mentioned in the white paper um waste reduction is going to be also part of the the equation it can't just be recycling we need to find ways to generate less waste and to reduce the production of virgin products that you know cause a lot of you know that fuel a lot of oil production or mining industries um not that we have anything against any of those industries um it's that the environmental impacts that we all recognize that we need to at some level um contain so there are some opportunities here and um and certainly some good local ones um that we could consider and like to discuss tonight next slide please excuse me bob yeah i'd like to move that we extend the meeting past 11 o'clock second all in favor say aye aye the post n a all right motion passes unanimously so um i'm really at the point of discussion now and my last last comments to you are that um you know that this would be a kind of a roadmap for what what could occur um depending on what you'd like to direct us to do um if you do um it would probably begin with a look at our municipal code and um and certainly um how that could change to do things that might stimulate additional waste diversion in the community um once again not advocating but that um those are options that you have and i think that taking that to the next level will probably require um some code revisions that could include you know a universal uh recycling ordinance um other things that might drive that if for example council were to direct us to study the possibilities of that type of an ordinance we do that once um we got beyond that stage um that would then trigger a lot of actions that would have to be phased in for example if if the city ever adopted something like a universal recycling ordinance that then would require us to provide composting to all residents and that would take us some phase in time to do that obviously businesses um multi families um all these other entities out there would be in the same position of needing some uh phase in considerations to be able to you know enrich the um the goals overall so um this is how I would see something occurring as we probably start with the look at the code then move through um what actions that would trigger in planning and analysis um you know if that would have any rate impacts at all and then obviously the implementation phase would be something that would be phased in with regards to the hard to recycle items there are certainly different options or different discussions we can have um I do think that we're in a good position right now with our discussions with the county and I'd really like to continue with those um as we talk about where we move in the future or possibly before we start expanding our current facilities but um you know those are options for your consideration next slide please so here we are let's start with the look like Hollywood squares let's go with uh council member dougal faring so um I have a question about the eco cycle partnership because at one time the city worked a lot with eco cycle and not so much anymore um I don't know so can you give me a little bit of history in context with that sure um mayor and members of city council um yes the city actually continues to work with eco cycle they're a service provider to us mm-hmm a haul much of our recycling material from the waste diversion center I've worked with them even in the composting program on our outreach and education we did um also work with a another private entity in that that was the first time that we hadn't either produced the materials ourselves or worked with eco cycle and producing those um mixed results but um but it it did um it was a good exploration for us and a good learning experience to see also the impacts of working um you know with a marketing firm on trying to really bump that composting program but I think we have a good relationship with eco cycle and continue to work with them okay good um so in the future are you are is the city planning on you know kind of building that that that partnership so they they are playing a a stronger role especially as we look to um recycling you know more recycling and composting um and as far as community outreach as well mayor and council we um we certainly will keep in mind they are a service provider they're they're not an organization that we can you know enter into an into an IGA with so um as we look at ways that we also have to work competitively through our um purchasing code our procurement codes um we certainly have a lot of options but there are some certainly some restrictions on us just opening it up to partnering if it is a fee based uh partnership okay and then as far so and the reason why I'm kind of pinpointing eco cycle is the school I teach at is a green star school and we've worked really closely with uh eco cycle they've come in and done have done presentations and um just worked with the students in getting them to understand you know the whole component of composting where even we have our little kinders you know our little ones who are separating out you know the what goes in compost what goes in recycling what goes in trash and they you know they they had a system going so you know I think that there is a lot of value in tapping into their expertise with um community outreach and education so you know I want to make sure that that I mean I think for me there might be others you know that you would know more than me but I kind of hone in on eco cycle because you know just my own experience with them is an educator in st brain mayor and council yes they do an excellent job with that program and other programs and and we do provide funding for that program okay certainly um I don't can't think of any reason why we won't continue doing that okay and um you know I guess I'll let everybody you know I wanted to kind of look I wanted to offer my input as far as directing staff but I guess I'll let other people chime in first let's go with councilor peck thank you mayor badly but there are a couple of things that you mentioned that were a little bit troublesome to me and one of them was the hard to recycle items that we did twice a year is that correct um and we stopped it because we had too many participants um it seems like if we start getting more people then we should think about enlarging our uh our project rather than stopping it I mean we want people to participate so sending everybody to uh boulder um I'm not sure that's the way long I should go we should I would like you and staff to work to enlarge that somehow and not stop a program that's working um and also uh when we're talking about you know it was just mentioned in our last conversation about the annexation that developers are building horizontal now as we look at more dense urbanization so having these multifamily uh buildings residences uh go up we need to look at a vision as to how are we going to actually make them available to recycle and compost rather than uh not in other words I think that we should be thinking more of the future and how to continue our programs and just say this is getting too big or too bulky for us we're just going to quit doing it um doesn't I don't know that just doesn't sound right to me at all um the other thing is that when you're talking about smaller bins for composting can we not just take some of those uh pay as you throw bins I mean we I know we'd have to purchase more but put green lids on those of the smaller bins the 48 container ones those are just some of my suggestions I actually would like universal composting and I would like universal uh recycling and I know it's not something we're going to be able to do tomorrow or whatever but let let's look at our budget and what it's going to cost and work toward that sooner than later for those of me thank you and council I would like to take a moment and address um some of council member pex comments about how to recycle um we understand and and we've heard that um numerous times let me also describe how that program was was once run but we have you know 22 employees who are in the operations group who actually do all the um collection in the program and those employees came in on the weekends to do that and they were actually loading materials from cars and then loading them off onto a site that really wasn't large enough to receive those items without them being removed quickly so that was how we kept our rates low and dealt with the problems we have with building a facility that would require the equipment and the staffing that would not allow us cost recovery beyond longmont residents that's where it becomes really a challenge for us and why uh regional solutions are without a doubt better however we are more than happy to investigate what it would take to do that but it just it would have to be done safely and with the correct equipment we couldn't go back to doing what we did before which is having in fact if you go to the charm facility today you would see that you don't get any real help unloading you have to do that yourself right and you dispose of your material and that's not how it worked in longmont we were unloading mattresses and furniture and doing you know a lot of large items and it really wasn't healthy for our workers to be doing that so it would take a complete rethinking of that facility and I dare say a considerable expense to do that that would have to be returned back in the form of rates but it's certainly something we could look at um continuing on that subject is not uh correct me from my if i'm wrong but didn't eco cycle help run that program they did and is there a reason why we can't continue that with eco cycle that I don't know I don't know that they have the equipment or the employees themselves to do you know the unloading of equipment as we once did it does take traffic control to do it at the sites we have now so we'd have to deal with transportation differently but yes they did help with those programs so wouldn't uh it would be worth checking in with them again to see how we can perhaps use several sites different sites different days more than uh twice a year to to make it more palatable um so that would be my direction is to let's see how we can continue or or re-engage with the eco cycle or perhaps another uh recycling company to do that so all right let's go with councilor martin um yeah thank you mayor bagley um bob is is there a cost associated with a cost to the city associated with the wrong stuff being in the wrong bin um and let me answer that first and then i'll tell you where i'm going mayor and council i'm going to turn that question over to charlie camonides thank you thank you bob and uh mayor bagley and council member martin that's a real good question i think ultimately there is a cost to it um in the sense of where we currently take our i assume you're talking about recycling materials but even our compost when those mercs or those processing facilities have a lot more contamination to deal with the value of the product or the cost of us managing it goes up so having better cleaner materials are better for the processing and the cleaning and all of that we're fortunate to work with boulder county with our mirf and and uh the outreach and education that we have out there is is is good and the you know typical contamination overall that boulder county is within some standards but go ahead yeah uh i have a singular problem that may be unique to my block um maybe it's unique to my house but i kind of suspect to not which is that passersby have a tendency to um dump their trash in in bins that are on the curb and uh when they do that they don't usually pick the right bin um they just do it in you know whatever whatever one is uh closest to them or whatever um and i am wondering you know people don't people are really good at not tampering with your mailbox um and we have a lot more families now that have installed uh ring cameras and things like that that might make uh this particular sort of vandalism detectable and reportable um so could you give your opinion on what an ordinance that makes it uh an infraction of some sort appropriate infraction um a code violation to put your trash in somebody else's bin while it's sitting on the curb mayor council that's a good question i would have to research that yes i don't know that i've ever seen that ordinance so maybe yeah well that ordinance doesn't exist now but i i would sure like to have you consider it because um it's it's an annoyance to me to you know when i'm bringing my bins back to have to inspect them to see if there's something that doesn't belong there and uh uh as as charlie said i think it probably uh costs the city money by reducing the quality of of the recycling streams in particular so uh yeah that's that's my input that's my christian sign thank you bob i think this is a really great presentation i can't believe how excited i am about solid waste but um so there's a i have a lot of things to discuss there are there's a little bit of a discrepancy between what the s uh srl group thinks is universal composting and what you think is universal composting and i'm gonna go maybe with you but um so i i would i would like to see all those things happen i would like to see us go from i wouldn't like to see any mandates exactly i would like to see us go from an opt out to an opt-in system for composting i think that would give us some uh added stuff we when we had the you know i'm the person who brought the composting forth in 2000 early 2000 did you mean switch it from everyone's going like this did you mean you want to go from an opt-in to an opt-out yes you're right i'm tired i know um when we had the consultant come and she did a very good job of now analyzing different things i was very disappointed to hear that she said that the top amount we could get probably was gonna sift out to 25 percent and that no matter what we did um that's what we would have and that we would have better uh people taking it if better taking um if we did an opt-in but you know the way you gain efficiency is to have more people in and so um i i really do think that these programs need to have sort of proof of concept we've got proof of concept for a couple years but i really think if we had an opt-out with a lot of education we could get more people in um and i do think that it would be a very good idea to see i know charlie communities has been working on trying to get uh commercial you know apartment buildings involved in this because that would if we can get commercial a commercial requirement that everybody needs to at least recycle that would be huge because that as you say that's 50 percent of the waste that we have um and if we could get uh apartments even if they're just the smaller ones like eight that would be a huge amount of stuff i think too to add to this but as you say it's a balance between having the staff and the equipment to do this and not wanting to raise the rates too much but if we involved more commercial stuff in it then that would help pay for it that's what my feeling is and then the third uh thing is of course um well what randy moorman who's from eco cycle suggested is requiring contractors to pay a fee for waste i think that's very interesting i've been trying to get rid of um household waste from various projects you know you can't get rid of wood that's little chunks and stuff you have to throw it out this is ridiculous and if we could resolve the problem of contractor waste and home waste of various people's various little crazy remodeling projects like mine um just fixing up for para jobs um that would be a huge thing right now you just have to throw out small scraps of wood um half sheets of plywood nobody wants this stuff because it's it's difficult to make use of but it is a huge amount of waste in this town um i also i'm very glad that you're doing stuff with the school system i think that i am very big on shaming and nagging because it's the only way to get things done sometimes i'm a mother so you know if you if you've got little kids nagging you to do you know nagging which is what i did to my parents nagging them to fix up things that were fire traps nagging them to not throw stuff out that's wasteful nagging it works it works on adults and the future is kids who get this who understand this the other thing is that i i i really think we need to do a massive education program on why really we're recycling and composting it's not to feel good about ourselves it's because we have we really have a climate emergency and there's only so much you can do with not having more emissions it's good if we if we can cut emissions that'll be great but we still have the problem of so much carbon dioxide that we're heating everything up and the only way to turn that around is what's called drawdown you have to do carbon sequestration composting is how you do that and better land use the more land we cover up with buildings the less carbon sequestration we have we're never going to get on top of anything unless we do some drawdown and that has to do with regenerative agricultural and the circular economy and carbon sequestration and recycling things and composting things are the core of that so i would like us to really think about educating people i for instance my neighbor who's a nice guy throws out a lot of bottles that's mostly what is in his recycling bin but i i k i went out the other night at two in the morning which is when i usually recycle stuff i'm in my alley and i opened the wrong bin i opened his bin and his recycling bin is full of leaves this guy is intelligent he doesn't seem to grasp that you cannot recycle leaves they belong in the compost he doesn't have a compost bin i've told him he could put it in my compost bin anyway so we need to educate the adults as well as the children about why this is important and firstly and secondly what they can and cannot compost and how to keep it from being and and what they can recycle don't put your yogurt containers in there without rinsing them don't put your beer bottles in there without rinsing them don't put wet stuff in there with your paper because it contaminates everything i don't think most people understand how much is wasted in recycling by uh by um contamination anyway i'll shut up but i do think i i certainly uh support the three things that you were talking about with the universal recycling or universal universal composting and recycling thanks bob mayor protan uh thank you mayor bagley i have a lot of thoughts on this but i would like to boil it down real quick to this one item in the sense that this concept is very large and we're discussing a lot of things without being making any sort of decisions and i think there's way too many items here for us to start willy-nilly making motions at 11 20 p.m so i really would like kind of more of a concrete list from staff that we can go down one by one and make adjustment motions or yay or nay votes on uh because this is just a circular conversation at this point because i absolutely 100 agree that these are things that we need to move forward how we get there and what's most easily attainable uh as well as what's the furthest from being attainable i mean we need some of those we need we need money numbers as far as the costs for these things as far as rates are concerned if we go through with things so i would really like maybe some of these things boiled down to universal composting for our residents uh that we can currently service based off state law um so how we you know for those people that are currently serviced by the city of longmont versus private haulers then we can and separately look at commercial and multifamily as well i think lumping all these into one thing tonight after 11 o'clock we're not going to probably be able to come to any sort of consensus or decision at this point because there's just too many details that to to suss through uh for instance one of mine being is phasing and implementation and economic costs because we know that we're in a precarious position for both residents and businesses right now economically and start issuing mandates at 11 20 p.m for waste services i don't think is wise um so i would like staff to come back i think i would i would like to make a motion that staff bring back in um appropriate pieces actionable items because i think everyone on city council and we'll find out if there's a second or or vote uh but i think city council is interested in moving forward with these items but right now i just don't think we're going to get anywhere by just discussing our our wants versus our needs and what we're able to service i'll second that would you would you take it a friendly amendment absolutely well i would i would ask you suggest i would like a list going from lowest hanging fruit to hardest along with the specific costs um in terms of budget money and rate increases and then we can discuss what things we should attack and do because in a perfect world we do it all but can we afford it who we pass on the cost to and again the problem i'm always faced with is uh councilmember peck once said we're doing the people's work will stay as long as possible i'm willing my brain however is not capable yeah so uh at this point i'd probably vote for anything and not understand what i was voting for but uh would you accept that amendment yes thank you mayor bagley it's a big pie we need to take it piece by piece i accept there's a motion on the floor councilmember idago farron um something i you know i want to bring up to it the level of urgency as well um you know this has been on the docket since pre-covid and it keeps kind of getting pushed down the line so when it comes back to you know council i want i would like to see it come back in a in a quick return because i i mean i'm ready to like let's we got to write an ordinance on universal composting and you know let's get this let's get this moving if we're really serious about um zero waste and um you know and take care of our environment so no i i i will i will support this but if we can kind of you know make this a little more pressing and i would agree with you i would agree with you and i know the p i know that srl and many of our our allies and people we respect to the community i think we've been waiting since march was what was said by my sherry my only concern i would agree and echo and herald i would ask we put it on the agenda as soon as possible with the understanding that we're in a pandemic and we understand you guys are exhausted and we give you guys things all the time to do and it's hard and all that stuff so um you know so put it on immediately but with a grain of salt that says do what you got to do with the other things that you're doing to keep us safe um council member peck um i would like to actually make that a little tighter in that uh dale is there possible to bring something back to us in january you're you're muted uh council member peck and and mary bagley um just a couple thoughts we can bring it back really as quickly as we can move through some of these things and if we come back with smaller slices of the pie we can bring back things sooner um i you know we can make our first cut at what we believe listening to what the mayor's emotion was you know the lower hanging fruit we can do some of that i i would recommend though that we do some level of analysis so that when we return to you it's not just this blank slate in other words there's a sense of of the economic side of it there's a sense of the gain and the benefit the environmental benefit of what we're trying to achieve that does take some work and analysis to do that well so that we're providing you with you know solid information um i see becky chimed in she's probably going to be doing a lot of this data analysis for us but um i i know we can we got the talent to do the work whether we have enough forces to get everything done as quickly as we can is probably another another question but again if we come back with a smaller slice of the thing i i think we can do it but i guess what i uh would like to avoid is that in march it'll be a year that we extend this out to where agree yeah so if we could get something hopefully by that year date or before that would be great and and i agree with you Dale the the smaller slices of pie and and uh mayor bagley that's a good idea so thank you and my my only what what literally is what's going through my head is is uh rather than give a deadline my fear is that we're going to be dealing at christmas time with the pandemic that we are we are we are going we're going to be it's going to be bad and so my fear is that we start focusing on things that i'd like to see us get to the first of the year uh not not because i'm pushing this off but i have a feeling that staff is going to be really busy in about 14 days so um i saw some hands up bob you want to say something yeah mayor and council i i want to echo what dale said and maybe make this a little easier um we haven't done a comprehensive review or started this type of discussion for quite a few years we talked last about composting and pay-as-you-throw rates but i would suggest that rather than trying to just bite and get the whole universe of of way services figured out that we start with the few things that are going to have the greatest impact those are going to be things that we do at the curbside and the possibility of expanding recycling to beyond uh just residences in the community i probably looking at different alternatives for a universal recycling ordinance i those are going to be that is by far going to be the single biggest thing of everything in those lists that we could do and if you had us focus on spending some time looking at alternatives for how that could be written then the analysis comes along with that and we can continue to come back year after year instead of waiting so many years and bring other pieces into the program but without a doubt they're going to be two or three really large things that we can do i think more with education outreach universal recycling ordinance exploring these hard to recycle options that are more convenient for the the community those three by far will be the big three so it's your motion but it kind of sounds like he already jumped ahead and gave us the answer which is let's start with these things sure and as he also mentioned that that curbside is a big thing i think that talking about uh either universal or opt-out composting becomes easily in that that conversation as well because it is a curbside controllable issue for the city one way or another as far as that's concerned um my concern yes is now with the timing of it but i would rather see good work done than hasty work so what's your do you want to restate your motion for us Aaron so i believe my motion was for city staff to bring back the larger conversation in pieces that are actionable uh i will i will second that so do we have any i know that you want to say something susie but can you wait till after the motion is it have to do with the motion can i can i just say that i think i jumped the gun a little bit and i believe that council member edalgo faring was going to make a motion and i just happened to get called on first all right susie what you want to say um well you know what so some of the things that i was listing listing and what people were calling for are part of that larger so it could be maybe pushed down to for um give staff time to get a deeper analysis on it but something that it sounds like you know it could be that low hanging fruit piece is putting together an ordinance for universal curbside composting collection and recycling so i mean i like that idea of universal let's take a more aggressive approach than just even that opt out option but it's kind of like this is all part of the system it and i'll you know i'll defer to bob if you feel like this is something that is doable at this time i would like to to make a motion to get an ordinance drafted at least on that piece and then have um you know with deeper analysis on some of those those other larger components like the recycling and um in multifamily units and and all that well and i think uh mayor and council that would all start to feed into that concept of a universal ordinance that ordinance what that would allow us to do is deal with the concept of what we want to achieve and then start looking at the economic impacts of that but that would be if you want staff to do its best work that would be a really good focus area to start with but that's not to say we didn't hear a lot of other things tonight that we working on many that are a little bit below this radar of of necessarily um needing direction right away to do things um there and we are working a lot of those but that would be one that we could really um and and there are many different ways to do that ordinance so we would when i would envision would be bringing back options of what it could look like or alternatives and then getting more direction and dialogue and using that as kind of the center focal point for where we go if you decided not to adopt an ordinance of that nature you're still going to have the right conversations about what you want from recycling and commercial multi-family and expanding the residential if that's what you want to do so even if you didn't adopt it it would not be wasted time okay and also adding a piece in there where we have those zero waste practices for city sponsored events for when we permit give permits for use of public spaces to have those those things so it's kind of embedded in our everyday behaviors so so hold on i'm going to cut everybody out so right now i'm just going to i'm going to point out we have consensus that in an ideal world longmont would everyone would compost we all have residential recycling recycling we all have commercial recycling and we would be a zero-way city the motion on the floor is for city staff to bring back some low-hanging fruit some easy right now targets that that they're going to put it in terms of dollars so they can start immediately and then bring us back pieces as soon as they can in order to push us towards that goal is anyone against what i just said all right so let's go ahead and vote on the motion and then get started on on making our our city cleaner and and and closer to zero waste all right so all in favor of the motion say aye aye opposed say nay all right the motion carries unanimously bob find some low-hanging really good impactful stuff bring it back with some costs let's get going all right all right okay let's move on to uh i move that we recess the longmont city council and convene is the board of commissioners the longmont housing authority no no no they got moved to the fifth too oh get it so that's it then that's it for general business don't you're telling me yes all right let's move on then let's take a three-minute break and move on to final call public invited to be heard okay be right back all right folks this is the final public invited to be heard for the evening please once again dial the number on your screen enter the meeting id and mute the live stream when you do call in and listen to the instructions that happen on your telephone all right that might have been two minutes but i'm guessing there's nobody in the line right that is correct mayor bob which is guessing midnight to say something all right so let's go ahead and close the final call public invited to be heard and let's move on to you mayor and council comments who would like to say some really brilliant things marsha marsha always wants to say brilliant things marsha back yes i'm back my uh never mind i couldn't done i couldn't become visible for a minute there that's right i would just like to you know read into the record for people who are watching the next day that today was giving tuesday and usually um you know you've got in your email and you know on your facebook page and all that stuff um some messages about giving tuesday that you didn't quite get to and i just want to tell everybody that they're willing to take your money tomorrow so if you missed giving tuesday don't miss giving tuesday and i i just want to i just want to say that uh we all joke that 2020 has been a hell of a year and uh i just keep interacting with clients and friends and colleagues and the level of anxiety continues to be just off the charts and everything's going to be fine so i don't know anybody's watching they're probably all asleep but life's good we'll be fine we'll figure it out all right so let's go ahead it's herald you got anything to say no comments mayor council you gene no comments from here mayor all right can we have a motion to adjourn please move to adjourn i'll second that joan all right all in favor say aye all right opposed in a night all right motion carries unanimously good night guys talk to you later


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