We are being watched by people all over the world. Lisa just got a text or a message today from someone we've known for many years. KJ was just writing in today saying, I'm watching you guys. He said he's having a lot of fun listening. Listening, listening. Let's greet her. Okay. Well, the topic we have today is rising in the light. And right before we came down here, I just got a message because that series that portrays Jesus and the apostles called the chosen. Most of you are aware of the chosen. It's this series that started off with crowdfunding. And then they did season one, they did season two, then they decided to do the first first episodes from season three and movie theaters. And it's people are showing up more for the chosen series than for Hollywood movies. It's just been out for some days and I think they have a $10 million box office already. It's just been out for maybe some days or a week or so. And the man who plays Jesus was just on a major network. And they were asking him, why are people flocking to watch Jesus and the apostles? And it seems to be that he was just saying it's just in times of darkness than when there is something that brings light that touches the pulse of anyone who watches. It doesn't matter who they are or where they are, but when they see something that reminds them of the light, reminds them of love, they're drawn to it. And so we were just marveling today at how we are rising to the light and how maybe Francis, you can share a little bit about how when you checked into today, you basically were shown a very simple choice that it all comes down to one choice. Yeah, this morning I keep having this phrase in my mind after I woke up and it was Jesus has overcome the world and he has overcome it by forgiving it. So forgiveness is this one thing that he came here to demonstrate how to overcome the world, forgiveness. So I had that in mind and I just flip open the course and then what I read was this very striking question. It was do you choose to join crucifixion or do you choose to join the resurrection? That's a question he posed directly to us today. Which one do you choose to join? And then the next question is do you choose to stay in imprisonment or do you choose to ascend to your father, like rising to the father? And he said these two are the same question and the answer is the same. And he said, you know, choose to believe in crucifixion because the crucifixion, choose to believe in resurrection because the resurrection has been accomplished and has been accomplished in you. And that was so striking for me when I read it and I was like the resurrection has not been accomplished out there 2,000 years ago on the cross. It has been accomplished in me, which means I am carrying every day with this choice. The resurrection lives in me. Do I choose to live out of the resurrection or consistently choose to live out of this crucifixion mentality as if I'm crucified all day long, everybody else is crucified. This is the choice and I feel just when I read that the resurrection has been accomplished in you, it was such a feeling rising up in me to know that, yes, the resurrection is right here right now if I choose to access it and choose to live it. There's no excuse. What excuse do I have anymore? To say I have to wait. I have to wait to forgive it. I have to wait. I have to exercise my willpower or what excuse do I have if it is already living in me with resurrection choice, this perspective, the forgiven perspective is already here. And that's the only thing that's really have power. That's what I was thinking. This is the only thing that has power. That is the power that overcome the world, the forgiveness, so meek and so still. That's what Jesus came to demonstrate in every single thing including in the cross to demonstrate this is how I overcome. This is how I rise above this world of conflicts. This is how I rise above the world of attack. I do not believe it. I do not share it. I do not even respond to it. I rise directly above to the Father by forgiving it. Yeah, that's it. Rising to the life because it's like when we think of resurrection and ascension ascending are the same. And to the world it seems to be such a thick fog of forgetfulness that as people are growing up and families going to school going to university going to jobs running for politics doing all these things in the world. It doesn't even seem like there's in the mainstream discussion every day conversations about ascension or resurrection.  It's like it's not in the dialogue. It's not it's not in the mindset. And yet, yeah, that's the feeling is. I remember I've had these experiences sometimes where I'm walking or or driving or something where it comes over me like a big huge wave that that we really, we don't really have a past. We have operated as if our past memories, our past experiences are valid. And what Jesus is teaching us is know you, you would do much better if you just for a moment gave away all thought of the past that you never did have a past. Sometimes like people even remember dreams and they can recount what happened to them in the dream. And then if you ask them about the first scene in the dream, how did you get there to the first scene in the dream? I don't know. I don't know. It just started there. There was nothing that preceded it. And what Jesus is saying is there really in this moment there is nothing real that preceded this moment that everything that you've based your decisions on is a past that actually never happened. It's not like we have to forgive what happened. He's teaching us the joy, the glee of ascension and the resurrection is you were mistaken about everything that you remembered. You remembered it wrong. You remembered it incorrectly. You didn't really have that as a given. And he's teaching us this moment is a given this moment. I am with you now. I am giving you this is a fresh clean new start. You don't have to try to bring a resume along. You don't have to bring you don't need to do a background check on you because the Christ doesn't require a background check. Still the light still innocent still perfect love still you are have done no wrong you are completely innocent. And to me that's what it is in a simple way we were just given the title rising into light but that's how we rise into light. Like even coming over every time I come over to La Casa, Benny's there in his tails wagging in his little eyes and he's he's giving such a greeting of love of welcome.  It's almost like imagine if you lived your life where you were so happy that you had to wine to try to rain it in. You know, it goes he just and and and imagine that you could do that that you honestly could live that way where you actually were greeting everybody in the same happiness. Everyone with the same joy. Everyone with this feeling of it's so good to see you again, which is what I feel from Benny when I come. He's just always there. It's been going on for years. I come through the gate. He can't he can't hold it in like I've been waiting for this moment. So that to me is is what we're asked to do that Jesus is saying the resurrection has been accomplished. I'm not trying to teach you something new. I'm trying to have you experience something that has already happened. It's already corrected. It's already over. But if you put spiritual awakening even on the timeline, it seems very difficult. But what I what mistakes I made in the past or what I will need to face in the future. You even had like you were telling me a visitation by by Jesus in light. And then you were wondering you as it came behind you to kind of hold you in light. You were wondering why are you here, Jesus? And he said, I'm here to comfort you because the second half of this year you will go through some things and you need you will need that comfort. But again, it was still that present reminder like I'm here for you. I'm here with you. No matter what you seem to go through and form. I am here with you. And that's the joy to me. That's the great joy. That's why we do this. And I can see why people are tuning in now for season three of the chosen because. Yes, we get to see Jesus, but more than just seeing Jesus, we get to see Jesus's interactions with the people. When he's doing his public teachings, we get to see his interactions with those who don't like him. Pretty much most every episode we do see there's people, the scribes, the Pharisees, what's he doing? They're just suspicious. And so we get to see how he handles that. Even the apostles will say we have to go avoid this town now because, you know, it feels like there's trouble brewing. And he just smiles and laughs with them and talks with them. And he says, we're going to that town. He's like going right against the advice of fear because he is shining and living as if there's nothing to be afraid of like workbook lesson number 48. There is nothing to fear. That's the whole lesson. There is nothing to fear, but to live like that without a fear of future consequences to live without worries and concerns of how will this get handled. And to live, I guess you could say to when you live in the present moment, you don't really have ambitions, but you're not bored. You're not you're not tired. You're not bored. You're not frustrated. Do you have future goals? No. Do you want future goals? No. You know, there is this like a contentment of being in the present moment like fully use me. Let me fully lift it up. Let me be ascending, resurrecting.  So the Bible is pointing us to that's what that's where the resurrection is. That's where the joy, the light is. It's in the mind. It's not in the body. So the constant renewing of the mind is this present moment renewing itself continually like a like a fountain that's just bubbling up. Not just water, but light. It's a fountain of light that is constantly ever renewing. And all we have to do is turn toward it and decide for it. Decide for ascension. Decide for resurrection. What are your career goals? Ascension. What are your future goals? Resurrection. You can be like a broken record and just say that all the time. Resurrection. Benny's doing that, but he doesn't have the English or the Spanish words for that. What are the Spanish words for? Resurrection. What about ascension? Ascension. Ooh, yeah. You're enticing her to learn Spanish. Something she swore she would never do. Ascension. Her one word. Ascension. Te amo. We'll just stick with ascension. Ammo. No. Yeah, just be yourself. No language constraints. Yeah. So what a joy. Yeah, because, uh, you know, with that Jesus movie, I just keep hearing this over and over again. You know, I felt like when we watched that Jesus movie every time that I actually get emotional because it was an experience every time I heard Jesus say rise.  And I thought, you know, that that is all he said was rise. And in such, you know, clarity and precision and and also seeing that the ones that he was healing was they had to believe it.  It was your faith alone that is healing you to rise and joining in that truth, like accepting the truth, accepting the decision, accepting, you know, our inheritance really, which is in this moment. And then I told you it's the rise thing. I just told Francis yesterday I'd written it down on a piece of paper. I thought, oh, I love this word rise and I could just feel like rise and and it's a living experience. Like it's the message that's alive right now. But and when I had it written down, I thought, okay, rise, receive instant spiritual experience. And then just this truly the spark, the twinkling of an eye in an instant. We get to open our minds to receive this blessing to be wrong about everything and to receive this, you know, complete transcendence of anything, you know, just this living rise. It's a rise. Not just, you know, once and done, but I'm going to rise. Like I get to choose to be alive. I get to choose, you know, to receive this essential, whatever it is. You know, like the resurrection is for all of us.  It shows like this is effortless. It should be effortless to join with the Christ vision should be effortless. It shouldn't be working and striving because it's natural to us. So really what it takes is is to not holding on to what brings us fear and just to say, okay, I'm here to receive to receive the instant. This moment, it has to be done. This moment is already there. So let me receive your gifts to me. Let me claim your gifts to me. Let me receive it now. And I have no attraction to anything else. I think it's starting to just dawn that at this moment is more than realistic for us. But it just starts to dawn that it's really our only option. We don't really have an option to go back. There is nothing to go back to. And I remember years ago. There was all these Jesus movies. We just saw one which grabbed my attention because when he comes back after the resurrection, the body of Jesus is so lit up. It's white. It's light. I like that feel. But I remember years ago going to see the movie that Mel Gibson did called the passion of the Christ, which it was kind of a bloody mess. But I actually, I saw it with my mother. I went into the movie theater and she was sitting right next to me and she was raised in Christianity your whole life. And as the movie moved along and they started beating Jesus, like whipping Jesus. And the stripes of the whip started going across his body and the blood was literally started to splatter. You know, when you're looking at the big screen and you're seeing a scene like this. And every time the person would go back and the whip would just go right into Jesus's back. My mother, who was sitting next to me when the movie came out, she would gasp. She would go. And then, you know, she was literally gasping as she was watching this beating and the blood just splintering. It is splattering like watered down ketchup all over the place. But she was reacting to it. And then somebody asked me after I watched the movie, they came out. They said, David, what did you think of the Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion of the Christ? And I said, the very last scene, I just felt this, the very last scene in the movie. I felt this rush of joy. That was the only rush of joy I had with the movie. And the last scene was him in the grave. And he was rising, the body was rising up in light. You could see that was the final scene of the movie. After everything else, it was just this kind of scene of like rising up in the grave. And I felt a rush of joy. And I think we can actually honestly start to do that with everything that we have perceived as our life in this world. We've tried to make sense of it. We've tried to figure it out. We've tried to analyze it. We've tried to judge it. We've tried to form opinions about it. And really what Jesus is saying is you don't really need to do any of that. Be here with me now and let me show you the resurrection that has already been accomplished. That's your one responsibility, is atonement or to accept the resurrection for oneself, to join the Christ in this resurrection. And how practical that is. And oftentimes people say, well, you know, man cannot live by bread alone and all the sayings and cliches of the world. And what we're saying is in this moment, it still is the only moment that you can receive guidance. And more than that, the guidance is for you to accept the resurrection in this moment. It's not for the future. You may think you're receiving guidance that will be helpful for your future, but it's not actually intended for the future. It's just intended for present release and present joy. So there's a section in the workbook, the section in the text called setting the goal where Jesus says, every time you look back on the past, it's always the ego. The Holy Spirit never turns and looks on the past because the Holy Spirit is the presence of love in this moment, the remembrance of our true self, the reminder. And we don't need to look back on the past and think, what did I do wrong? Or what could I have done better? Or maybe things could have been different. It's just like that is a waste of our mind's energy just to come back to the moment and say, I'm with you here, Jesus. I'm with you, Holy Spirit. And then if there's anything that you are to say or do, it will just be given. It will trickle off your lips. The smile will come from your face so automatically. Your cheeks will be shiny just from that. And in that, there's a release because you don't have to compromise with the world. And you don't have to compromise with the past. Yesterday, I think, or maybe yesterday or the day before, Laverne was mentioning a new movie that she had seen. And the movie was a movie based on the gospel singer, Mahalia Jackson. And she was an American gospel singer. And it shows her from childhood all the way through her life. And she had this magnificent voice, this booming otherworldly voice. And it showed how the world kept wanting her to sing jazz, to be in the theater, to broaden her horizons, to be a crossover singer. And she just couldn't do it. She was so much into the presence of God that she knew that the only purpose of that magnificent voice was to sing to God and to sing for God. She was not tempted by commercial things. She actually, when they wanted her to sing in Carnegie Hall in New York City, she's like, no, no, why would I need to sing in Carnegie Hall? But eventually, they did persuade her to go there. But she sang for the Lord in Carnegie Hall. She just didn't ever compromise with the world. She didn't go for commercial compromises. She didn't go to try to be famous. She didn't go to try to accomplish something. She was for equality, so she was good friends with Martin Luther King. And she did a lot of events for charity and to raise money for equality and the things that she cared about and for God. But she just didn't channel her energy into a place where she would feel like she was compromising, doing something because the world was telling her, you should do this. She had all these shoulds coming at her for her whole life. And she absolutely did not budge. She did not compromise.  And even when she experienced the things that human beings go through, like a separation or a divorce or a death, an assassination of her dear friend Martin Luther King, she just had to keep coming back to, okay, God, it's all for you. I'm doing this all for you. And I think that is how we accept the resurrection. That's how we are ascending is when we don't compromise with the world. If something doesn't feel right, we voice that. We say, hmm, I don't think so. And then they came to her and they say, do you know how much money you could make if you would just sing the blues? There's a lot of blues singers and there's a lot of money in it. And she said, anyone can sing the blues, but I don't want to sing the blues because there's something that I'm here for. And I'm here for the Lord. She even quoted that Psalm 100. I'm here to make a joyful noise for the Lord. He says this woman just, and that was her stance. She was like, this is why I'm here and I'm not compromising. This is why I'm here and I'm sticking to it.  And then she goes, no. So it's possible to do that. It's possible to live a life of uncompromising devotion to God. As if your very heart and joy depended on it with no sense of having to balance the equation. Or do this first or a little bit of this, a little bit of that. You know, when you go for it, then the magnitude of the joy is so strong. So yeah, we might have that movie coming rolling up pretty soon.  With the themes this week, there's a couple of movies that are very strong that are coming to mind. So we'll wait to see how it all plays out. Yeah, but I also feel just, you know, when we're sharing the good news like that with Jesus's message, the good news really is the experience of feeling that connection with God. Like we don't have to compromise that like this experience of just, I don't know, just love and joy and peace. It's like it's all given to myself. And that's, you know, it just, I know for myself that's what I experienced. That's why I'm doing it. I'm not doing it for any other reason that because it's good or bad because I love the experience of what it feels like just to be this, you know, conduit for this love and joy. And yeah, just this love affair with God in that. I think isn't it interesting to like with the baptism that different churches and denominations have different times. Sometimes you have to be baptized by a certain year by by a certain time in your in your time with the church. But but it was just dawning on me that that I remember. And I did get baptized when I was a baby. They held me.  But I remember there was a sprinkling of water. It wasn't like the baptism in the movie where you throw the baby. You know, that's for the older ones, but they got me so early. They got me sprinkled as a newborn baby. Let's get David real quick. It's almost like, you know, it was scripted. And then my parents names were or my sister's name was her first and middle name were were the parents of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Mary, Joe. And then John, who was the harbinger who came right before Jesus saying this is the one that was my father's name. John and Eve was the first woman in the Bible. And it's like, it's awesome. It's all scripted like, wow, how did that all happen? And then throwing water on my head before I have a chance to say you are baptized in the name of the father, the son. The holy ghost. Yes, yes, we know there will be resistance to this, but this is destined. Your life is destined.  Okay. You know, so that's what we're doing. You know, I feel like I've had no choice. Like it's all, it's all scripted. You know, it's like we're just stepping in your last name was spent star. You think Lisa's a star? Her last name in German wasn't it? It was Lisa Stern Stern, which is the stars in German when also I read it. I got this card one time and it says the name of Lisa, what it means. Oh, you ain't even going to. It means consecrated to God. Star consecrated to God. It is beautiful. It's like there's no option. Which is a good thing. I know. Because I was also that movie about Mahali. What is about the singer? That singer. Oh, Mahalia Jackson. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but I heard about a scene where because she was so, so devoted to God so much so that when she sings, there was a scene that a girl got healed in audience and she said, Oh, I didn't do anything. It's not me. It's God. But it's like that's what Jesus does. It's not like anything happens out of a conscious or effort. It's so involuntary and this involuntary is like a flow from God when we line up our view with God. It's just when our mind is completely anchored in God, that's the only thing there is. And yet the ego tells us we have power if we're angry, we have power if we attack. This is like, this is a wake up call. You know, the power lies in one with God. When we actually really put our mind into, I'm here to do my father's will and nothing else. And I'm here to forgive the world. And I'm here to basically fulfill my function as the light of the world. That's really become the only choice there is. There's no other power. There is no other function. There's no other thing going on for our life and this world. When I know for me, nothing else works. Right. It's like I tried to do something else and everything else fails. Or it's a lot of work. It's a struggle. It's like uphill battle. It's like, okay, and then I go and I surrender to God and, okay, now I'm back in the lily fields again. Oh, thank you. Jesus, like his will for my life is perfect happiness. And I don't know what that is. That he's choosing it for me all the time. And that's really this living in that divine trust. There's an even trust anymore. I feel like it's a knowing that you know that you don't know. And so it's a continual opening to this present moment and opening into this. Yeah. Given life. The life is given. And you just open to it and see the perfection of it and taking new thought for tomorrow. In a real way. You don't think like that anymore. You're just riveted in the experience of feeling God's love like we're one. Like that's what Jesus, how he healed like him saying it is not me that does these things about my father in heaven. It's like knowing that you aren't even interfering at all.  The constant prayer, show me, teach me, help me. You know, I don't know. You know that that experience. I love that experience that in everything that I do, I really don't know. But I know that the one that does know is with me to show me that he's not going to give me anything that I can't handle. Or can't like the even like opening up even what we're doing with our online program. You know, it's so exciting because it's like we're entering all new paradigms places where I've never gone before. And for me, that is beautiful because it's like I have to pray. You know, okay, Jesus show me how this is going to happen. I have no idea. And just knowing that he is going before me really leading the way. And like it's, it is living in the wonder of God and the beauty and yeah, just heavenly. And it is beautiful to realize that the ego is the one that invented all the situations of the world. And what Jesus is saying is there. But no thought of any situation in the past time few and let no thought of any situation in the future. I'm few because I am here with you now and and that is not circumstance dependent. And it was just a bad habit for us to look at situations. We were caught up in situational thinking and we believe that we needed to think about the situations in order to solve the situations. And Jesus is saying, well, the news is it's already been solved. You're thinking about nothing. Your mind is preoccupied with nothing when you keep thinking about situations. Pray now. Pray now. If you just stay in the prayer, then everything comes to you effortlessly because it's only in trying to break it down into situations and think about them. Oh, what do I like about the situation? What is acceptable and what's unacceptable? And in the future, what kind of situations do I want to find myself as a body in? And Jesus is like, how about none? Why don't you try? Pray with me now. I am not a body. I am free. I'm still as God gave to me. I am spirit. I am one with God. I choose the resurrection. I choose eternal life. I choose this moment. And when you're surrendered into that, that's suddenly when you have a glimpse that you have no problems. Because it's only been trying to solve the situations, thinking about past situations, projecting future situations and trying to solve somehow. Like a Rubik's Cube. I keep out of here. I keep spinning, spinning. It's not necessary. You know, we all grew up with the idea that we were supposed to have goals, you know, and at some point it just starts to dawn that you actually can do quite well. In this moment with Jesus, without goals, you know, it's very restful. It's just peaceful. And there's so much contentment when you don't have to think that you're obligated to be generating more future goals. And to me, that's what's made the whole ride. It felt like a twig in the river because it felt like everything was just given. Planned. I don't wake up thinking, how's my day going to go? Because I don't know who will call me, who will write to me, where I'll be called to go and meet with somebody or go have a lunch with somebody or do something. I don't need to have the day so pre-planned. And I feel like that's the goal. That's really why we've all come into this connection, this following Jesus is not to make something in the world, but to let go of everything we thought was so important about the world and feel good about letting it go. Not feel guilty. Not feel like we're letting somebody down or not feel we're letting the world down even. We were talking on the way over, you were saying that Jesus was saying, yeah, it's already done the resurrection, but it's done through forgiveness. And to see that forgiveness is the key to happiness and I need no other key. Jesus has handed me the key and he says, this is the key to happiness, it's forgiveness. I'll just use it. Don't stick it in your pocket. Don't put it away. Keep it in your hand and use it all day long. Use this beautiful key. Use it. And when we do, we're just amazed. We're marveled by, oh my gosh, that's right. I have the key to happiness right in my hand and all I have to do is use it. Turn the key.  Oh yeah, that's right. I have the key in my hand. Well, that was our presentation of Rising Into the Light. And we're down here at La Casa de Milagros. We're just getting warmed up, but we have some more things to talk about, but it's here with the community. Right, but it's nice to even let people know because we're doing your, Francis is going to do a show tonight. A worship service. A worship service. 7 p.m. Central Time. Is it here? It's right here. Right here. Yeah. And then we also have our Sunday worship service, which is at Sunday at 5 p.m. Central Time. Central Time. So we invite you all to join us and yeah, let's open up to the mystery of God and see what happens next, really. Our cup runneth over. Okay, well thank you to our streaming audience.


Had hadn't tried the sound board since I updated to Ios 8 on the iPad that I run it off of and What do you use for that? No, I heard you say that yesterday. It's uh, I always forget the the company. It's called sound board Okay from the people of sound board sound board. No, it's one of those It's one of those companies that makes a bunch of apps for Mac and Ios Oh They do a lot of sound stuff. Yeah. Yeah Might be them Yeah, we can discuss it later. No, I must find Ambrosia. Ambrosia. So there we go. Yeah, the other ones exactly All right, you ready to show? I'm ready. Here we go The Daily Tech news show was brought to you today by me if you would like to bring it to someone visit patreon.com Slash ace detect that's patreon.com slash ac e d t e c t This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, September 18th or possibly Friday September 19th if you live where our guest lives I'm Tom Merritt joining me from Australia where it is Friday morning Peter Wells editor of Reckoner, Australia Thanks again for getting up Peter. It's great to have you along. No worries at all Tom It's a it's a beautiful morning down here. It's iPhone day for you Yeah, there's as I look around my Twitter feed There's quite a few people already lined up in front of the major Apple stores and even some of the tiny ones So yeah, like the the very smaller Apple store still are reporting about three or four hundred people at the front So I don't know what's happening. I didn't expect to the iPhone 6 to be this big But people are loving it. Yeah, I guess it's been so long since they got excited about an iPhone that they decided to just get Excited about an iPhone and they and it's not like Apple disappointed them with a really crappy one. It's a good phone, right? So yeah, it's very very sexy looking I like the fact that they've gone back to the kind of curved Feel of this thing because you did the last couple of revisions the four and the five Felt a little bit kind of hard in the hand that that that chamfered edge Actually, I found I always had to wear, you know, use a case just to make it feel a little bit more comfortable So yeah looking forward to this one We're gonna talk a little bit about Tim Cook and his new privacy policy for iOS 8 in a little bit But let's start off with some headlines And breaking news right before we started the show Bloomberg reporting Larry Ellison and tends to step down as CEO of Oracle and Hand over the CEO duties to President Mark Hurd and President and CFOs Africa cats They are very carefully not calling them co CEOs lest they invoke a spirit of Blackberry But they will both be CEOs Ellison will become chairman replacing Jeff Henley who becomes vice chairman and Ellison will take on the title of chief technology Officer, so he's not leaving the company's kind of pulling a Bill Gates here and stepping away from the the chief executive role But but staying on in some capacity No go ahead I was just gonna say Ellison co-founded Oracle in 1977 if you didn't know that he's been with it since the beginning Even back then it was called software development laboratories Yeah, real entrepreneurs stuff here. I mean Is he the last of that that generation to finally step down? That's a good question Does Bezos hail from that generation or not? He kind of straddles it to me he came along in the mid 90s really so he's a little bit later Certainly Ellison is one of the earliest part of that generation In the 70s along with Gates jobs, so yeah, I guess of the big of the real giant ones I mean, I know there's others from that generation still sticking around, but yeah, he is you're right He's he's kind of the the the tallest of that generation that had been left in charge Indeed, I mean he's a very tall man is what I'm trying to say he's got a you got to look up Also, he owns an island and he isn't really Amazon announced a revamp to its Kindle lineup yesterday. Here's the list the fire HD now comes in two sizes a six inch version for 99 bucks and a seven inch version for 139 bucks both shipping next month for $50 extra You can make those into kids editions which include a free year of the kid-friendly Amazon free time unlimited That's apps and games and all kinds of stuff a big durable case That the kids won't be able to break very easily and a two-year no questions asked warranty I think that's the most appealing to parents the HD x 8.9 got a faster processor and the addition of Firefly among other things The entry-level eink Kindle stays at 79 bucks But it gets a touchscreen now and more memory starting in October Amazon also announced family library that lets you share books audiobooks prime instant videos, but not TV movie and music apps and games among all your family Members so it's similar to family sharing from Apple, but the star of the show was the Kindle voyage That's what has all the reporters Salivating the screen is eink, but it's 300 ppi 300 pixels per inch so apparently it's gorgeous It also has a higher contrast than even the paper white so it's paper whittier than the paper white Has ambient light settings that adjust gradually so that your eye as your eyes dilate in a dark room the lighting dims slowly so it doesn't Shock you has a flush glass screen though It's not glossy or reflective and a function that lets you squeeze either the right or left bezels to turn pages So you don't even have to move your fingers kindle voyage ships in October for a hundred ninety nine dollars for the Wi-Fi version or $269 for a 3g enabled version That voyage looks sexy. I I don't know if I'm gonna buy one though I mean I only ever seem to pull out my Kindle when I'm on holiday, which is very rare unfortunately, but Yeah, my Kindle's tend to last a hell of a long time But god yeah that flush screen looks amazing and and yeah the ambient light thing is very cool, too Because I do find having to turn down the Kindle when I'm in bed I would like to have that ambient light feature on all of my devices frankly that that sounds amazing That's the thing that I think attracted me the most To the voyage the the bezel thing is nifty. I don't find it terribly I don't even notice that I'm flicking and I I read my Kindle books mostly on the Nexus 7 Because it's lightweight fits in my hand easy and I can use it for other things I can look at my RSS feeds I can check my email and all that sort of thing which I can do with the Kindle fire too But I just the Nexus 7 is like lighter than that of course these new fire HDs will be lighter as well It's certainly not a bad move here among Amazon and if you are one of the ink folks There's a lot of people who like no I don't want to read on a tablet. I want to read on ink I think the voyage is super compelling for them Yeah, and and I do think the fire HDs are actually quite pretty looking as well I mean there's some charm to that candy color backing that they have and I really love the idea of the the kid-friendly tablet I've got a friend who's who's got this iPad in this ridiculous kind of gigantic case so that he's two-year-old Can't destroy it. He's he's two-year-old has destroyed two iPad so far. So yeah, it's this is a very smart move Yeah, no, I think they I think that kid-friendly version of the fire HD is brilliant So for 50 bucks, which is not cheap you get a two-year no questions asked warranty I think that right there makes it worth it plus they throw in a hardened case to help out. I got smart Apple posted a new privacy policy as well as a whole subside on privacy at Apple comm slash privacy Explaining changes in iOS 8 as well as pre existing privacy protections that already they already had subside has sections on Privacy design privacy management and government requests in an introductory letter to the site CEO Tim Cook says Apple has never Put back doors in their products for the government and he says they never will the site also claims that most of your data is now Encrypted on your iOS devices with your passcode and cannot be recovered by Apple Even if they wanted to Peter and I are going to talk quite a bit more about this here in a few minutes ZD nets Mary Joe Foley reports Microsoft conducted its second round of layoffs Thursday letting go 2100 people Microsoft let go 13,000 back in July if you remember that's of a total of 18,000 They intend to cut so they still have 2900 more to go before July 2015 747 of this current round of 2100 were in Washington State with the rest distributed globally The Verge reports that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 goes on sale in the United States October 17th If you live in the UK, it will go on sale October 10th Pre-orders begin tomorrow in both countries on the carrier side AT&T announced it will ship the Note 4 beginning October 14th To get a little earlier for 300 bucks on contract and 825.99 for the unsubsidized Contract-free version you can also pay for the phone and monthly installments of 34 42 over 18 months or $31.30 over 12 months if you want to note for from T-Mobile you have to wait until September 24th to pre-order But it will still arrive on October 17th And you can have up to 24 months to pay it off Verizon and Sprint ask you to please hold They will get right back to you about their note for availability. Your interest is very important to them though I'm fairly sure yeah, you can give it to the the note line for for really You know being the granddaddy of these these phablet phones I mean we're seeing people line up for the iPhone 6 plus at the moment that many many Apple people would have mocked a phone that big just a couple of years ago, but Yeah, good on the note. Have you have you played with one? You know, it's funny Darren kitchen used a note I don't know if he still does but he used a note with the pen And he loved it and I could see the advantage especially if you're like, you know what on the go I need an easy way to get into terminal and do a little remote management and I want that bigger screen It was essential now. It's I think we've lost The division I don't think the phablet term means much to me anymore when you've got a six inch Kindle tablet and a six inch And six inch phones It's just sort of like well, you know, what size of a thing do you need? And and and it's almost arbitrary that the smaller ones have phone capability and them and the tablets don't Especially now that you can you know take calls and make calls on an iPad if you're running iOS 8 as well now Yeah, absolutely, and if you use Skype and you've got, you know, the proper connection You can see you can just have that be your phone Giga home reports Twilio will add MMS support for regular phone numbers speaking of using weird things as phones Twilio allows developers to embed multimedia messaging into apps and this new function means that companies can use A single phone number for voice text and multimedia similar to existing offers by companies like zip whip and bandwidth So no more short codes necessary 800 numbers aren't supported for multimedia messaging right now, but they can do text messaging So instead of having to know some weird shortcode Peter I could just whatever the phone number is of the company. I'm trying to talk with I can text them and they can Text me from that number Among business. Yeah, this is very odd Does this feel like a you know problem that should have been solved a little while ago? Yeah, well, I think it I think back when everyone had landlines and few people had phones It made sense to have the shortcode service right where I could have one in turn manage it because I wasn't gonna have that much bulk now That everybody's got a cell phone In most parts of the world even that can at least do SMS it makes sense to say You know what? We need to be able to support this and one interesting in this giga ohm article One interesting example they gave was a company where the customer service rep uses an app They were using a personal shopper I think as an example to be able to take pictures and send messages out to their customers Whereas the customer just gets the text messages and responds as if they're doing a text to text Situation so that that's the kind of thing that Twilio makes makes possible here Okay Time now for some news from you. These are things submitted on our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com more than 3,000 people in there Having a good time submitting stories voting on each other's stories It's an essential signal that I look at among the many signals when I put the show together each day And I like to highlight a few of the things that people submit lots of stuff in the in the earlier part of the headlines It's submitted as well, and I appreciate those Also, Habituala Condulce passes along another ours Technica article about the ongoing debate over what is considered broadband If you remember last week AT&T and Verizon said that four megabits per second is sufficient for broadband this week US FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler told a congressional committee that four megabits per second is too slow and that internet service providers who accept government Subsidies to connect rural areas should offer at least 10 megabits per second to avoid a digital divide between city and Country internet users Wheeler says he hopes to have that issue tidied up. That's a quote by the end of the year Yeah four megabits as far too small. I'm I'm actually right now. I'm on eight megabits and and now ISP Has a little rule there if you drop behind eight megabits, they'll actually send someone out to your house to test your line Yeah, but that's that's it and and I kind of can I mean even that is pretty like I just get by so We've had to turn down the bandwidth for today's conversation so that I'm not too choppy on your end But um, yeah, it's so so annoying having to kind of work out that if I'm doing a podcast that means Netflix has to be off or no online gaming or you know, that's that's where the issue comes up in our house What and four megabits per second was broadband back in 1999 a whole branch of that But what we're able to do on the internet and how we use it has changed a drastically Especially with the advent of tablets and smartphones. We have so many more devices We have game consoles that update themselves and and our Roku's and Apple TVs potentially People are backing up which they should be doing over the internet quite quite a lot more So there's just there's just more to do on the internet. You need more bandwidth for that It's funny that you say that the ISP will come out if you fall below eight megabits per second I think in the US what ISPs do is if you're paying for eight megabits per second You get close to that they make sure to throttle you back Well, that seems fair to yeah Captain Kipper submitted the mobile syrup post that Microsoft has changed its developer fee to a lifetime Subscription that you only have to pay once one developer account serves for Windows or Windows phone stores That was already the case, but it's still the case developers were previously charged $19 annually for an individual account Now they just have to pay once and that's it. That also means existing accounts will not expire So good on you Microsoft very developer friendly there and they need to be doing that mm-hmm and Finally digs a lot submitted a torrent for your article stating that Simon Bush CEO of the Australian home entertainment distributors Association says some of his members who are Hollywood studios are lobbying Netflix to block users that connect through a VPN Peter Coincidentally an estimated 200,000 Australians are estimated to use the US version of Netflix and As you pointed out to me before the show quick flick CEO Steven Langsford has renewed his calls for Netflix to block VPN users accusing Netflix of profiting off quote backdoor tactics Corresponding VPN use of Netflix would probably affect non Australian users with legitimate accounts as well So thanks a lot Peter on behalf of Australia For all of us don't blame me man. I've only just gotten onto Netflix It's been two months now since Netflix came into my life, and I'm not prepared to give it up All right, they can take Netflix for my cold dead router. I am not prepared to let this one go But yeah, I mean at the moment. I'm using a DNS service rather than a VPN service So it doesn't seem to be affected too much and like you were saying that a lot of the plug-ins say holo Is is the plug-in that I use for Chrome as well if I can't for whatever reason I can't access my DNS server And yeah, that that seems to always be able to route around these issues when they pop up Yeah, this is the kind of thing that it does end up punishing people who are doing things honestly for instance Hulu blocks VPN providers to try to combat this from happening and when I go on Vacation or I'm traveling for work when I was in DragonCon for instance in Atlanta in a hotel I'm using a VPN because I want to protect my data from any prying eyes on that hotel network I couldn't watch Hulu because Hulu said oh we see you're using a VPN proxy So not gonna let you stream that till you turn that VPN off.  You're just gonna end up punishing a lot of people who aren't doing anything wrong Yeah, and I feel like it's come out of we've just recently had a federal government discussion on online piracy and yeah, the government actually, you know asked for content holders and ISPs to come together and submit how they thought they could tackle piracy in Australia and People continually said rights holders and Village Roadshow who were one of the kind of poster poster fighters for for content rights kept saying that people are using a VPN to illegally download Netflix in this country Which I mean there are as many things wrong about that statement to begin with but um It's it's a bizarre thing because like you said yeah, this will only affect really I'd say a lot of people who use VPNs in their proper way Most of the people who use Netflix in Australia actually are using a DNS service because it's the DNS services are the most convenient if you're going to use Say Netflix on an Apple TV or a Chromecast or a Roku or any of those other set top box type devices So if you're nerdy enough to know how to set this thing up, then you're probably going to want it on a TV You're probably gonna want it on that device. So yeah Unfortunately, they're actually coming after the wrong people they're coming up to VPN users who are generally yeah Like you said just trying to look after their privacy and maybe in a hotel situation or an insecure Wi-Fi situation But they're probably not going to affect me. Yeah, it's well remember we used to yell torrents torrents are not a crime And and file sharing is not a crime now VPN is not a crime in fact It's important for people to use this is this is not the way to fix this The way to fix it is to launch Netflix in Australia, which apparently you found an article that indicates they might be doing that they got worldwide rights to Gotham and According to smh.com.au Part of those worldwide rights included Australia even though they don't have an Australian version of Netflix yet Yeah, yeah, there's been a lot of talk again. If we look at Village Roadshow He actually the CEO of Village Roadshow actually kicked off this whole discussion because he casually said to smh in an interview that that they were in talks with our Netflix for some of their old back catalog so Yeah, Netflix is slowly getting outed by all these other contra providers as as definitely launching in Australia But it's it's going to be it's going to be that issue of what Netflix can Hold on to in Australia because Fox tell the the kind of incumbent here is Fox tell and they've Locked up the rights to Game of Thrones and a lot of those kind of marquee TV show so it'll be really interesting to see how it all plays out and whether Netflix's own original content will be enough to to get people to switch and to maybe switch off their DNS or VPN service. Yeah, absolutely and that my friends is look at the headlines Just a quick reminder that I have a new novella out at Tom erd books comm called events of a different nature It is a noir book about two private investigators One used to be a secret agent one a former gang member and they're helping to keep their neighborhood clean It's possible that those two investigators are dogs You'll just have to read it to find out for sure time our books comm if you're interested There's a free version there as well as printed versions and book versions for various ebook platforms time air books comm All right So we we mentioned this Apple privacy thing and Tim cook coming out strong saying you know, we are not going to hand over your data This is a change an older landing page claim that Apple with a warrant Could bypass the passcode in iOS to retrieve SMS photos videos Contacts audio recording and call history that seems to have changed in iOS 8 They've extended encryption to more data messages mail calendar contacts photos user data protection by default and third party apps Receive this protection automatically So if you have a passcode on your device that passcode is only known to you not to Apple And nobody else can get around that unless they break the encryption and Apple does some things to slow down brute force attacks they encourage you to choose a complex and Hard to guess passcode and that's why touch ID exists so that you can choose that complex passcode not have to remember it all the time This is not going to be Entirely foolproof Jonathan Jarski has already noted that there's a way around it if you've unlocked your phone once since you powered it on and Whoever wants to get at your data can get a hold of what's called a pairing record either through malware on your PC Or if they're the police they just seize your PC They can use that to get your third-party data your photos and your videos But even then that's all they can get with that pairing record Also Interestingly Peter before I get your feedback on this there was something called a warrant canary in the 2013 Transparency report from Apple it said Apple has never received an order under section 215 of the USA Patriot Act We would expect to challenge such an order if it was served on us they go home points out today That's gone in the latest two reports. So some of this may be a reaction to Patriot Act requests Yeah, yeah, the warrant canary thing was was always interesting I like the fact that they kind of put that up there to say look we will put up this This block of text and the day you see it gone is the day, you know that we've been requested to give up information And yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's that's what kind of kicked this off But also obviously Apple has as issues with privacy has issues with security that they've they've got to They've got to address that that that public Kind of I don't know reticence to the iCloud service before they start trying to get you to use Some of their other features of the iPhone 6 Things like storing your credit cards even though nerds will know that credit card details aren't Stored in iCloud your average end user is probably not going to be aware of that so they need to get on top of that they need to change that discussion from Your photos can suddenly suddenly be stolen and hacked to to this but but I mean I guess that's a whole different story to the discussion right now with the the NSA and and and these these almost It almost seems a little bit kind of bullish on Apple's part to say look we're changing this We're changing the service so that we will still be able to do whatever you request of us We just can't do what you request of us anymore Yeah, no and in fact Jonathan Jarski was among several security researchers. I saw it today calling what Apple did very bold They're like this is this is a this is a very brave maneuver for them because they can take some heat from law enforcement over the fact that they've essentially locked themselves out of your data to where they can say look you can Come with a warrant, but it is physically impossible for us to unlock these phones So it's it's out of our hands And even there there were a couple articles I read suspected that maybe they could they could be sued by the government for Breaking the Kalea Act which requires backdoors to be put into telecom equipment. I don't think that that Applies to locally stored information on a smartphone. I think that applies more to carriers and how they operate But who knows in the litigious society in which we live It's not impossible to think that the NSA can go after Apple. It would be a horrible PR move for them But maybe they would find it worthwhile. I don't know Yeah, yeah, but but either way the ball is definitely in the NSA's court on this one now What about the other side of the the announcement here because there seems to be an underlying Snide and it's not even underlying actually. It's it's it's written logic pretty out there. Yeah Yeah of what Apple care about and what what Apple think is important which is Holding on to the privacy of their users and never selling on selling the information that you provide to an iPhone For advertising and and you know, it doesn't take too much to read between the lines of who they're going after there No, it was almost like reading an ad for screwgled from Bing Not too long ago. Tim Cook wrote we don't monetize the information you store on your iPhone or an iCloud And we don't read your email or your messages to get information to market to you They could not pass up the opportunity to take a poke at Google as a part of what is otherwise a very Responsible security-minded message here, and I you know, I guess I can't blame them These companies are in tight competition. Apple and Google are very famously not want no longer friends So it doesn't surprise me that they did that and and they did it in a very oblique way as you say They didn't call anybody out by name. They said companies which could that could mean Facebook too easily enough And maybe they did mean all of those other companies, but Apple trying to point out like hey We are not in the business of making money off your data So we have no interest in seeing it the only time we ever want to see your data is when we think it'll help you and The message throughout this entire site I read most of the the site today was we're going to give you the ability to turn off What you're sending to iCloud more and more often and there's a lot of things in iOS 8 that that Advanced that I mean you can actually fine-tune The permissions on your apps now to say it can collect this information only when the app is running or it can collect the information Sometimes if it's running in the background or it can never collect the information which is which is again more control and that's good Absolutely, and thank God they've finally switched on a two-factor authenticate authentication Sorry for iCloud because up until a couple of weeks ago two-factor did not a lot on Apple services, so it's really really great to see that you'll be able to now go in if you go to iCloud comm you can Go in there now and turn on Two-factor is needed to to access my photos to access find my iPhone all of those services as well But coming back to that that Google that underlying Google thread in the in the story I actually kind of feel that this might be the start of Apple's new Kind of I don't know Cold War Fight with Google, you know it back in the back in the PC wars. They always had that That underlying message that hey max don't get viruses PCs get viruses and and even if people didn't know much more about Apple computers They could probably roll off that that statement if you ask them what was the the benefit of an Apple computer I wouldn't be surprised if this is Apple kind of Positioning themselves as as this is their new marketing statement or one of many marketing statements But this is one of their kind of core tenants of what separates IOS from Android is that look we we care about you We care about your data and we're never gonna give it away You use any other product and you're always giving your data away And and they're just gonna go out there and give that that rallying cry to the fanboys out there to to start these New kind of culture wars with Android Yeah, no, I think that's a great point actually I hadn't thought about that. Are we gonna see Advertisements with a Larry Page looking character kind of trying to steal all your data And the Apple Justin Long-ish character like I'm not interested in your data. You keep you keep it private Yeah, yeah, we've got Justin Timberlake and who's that other guy Fallon? Yeah. Yeah, they can do it Yeah, right exactly Let's take a look at the calendar tomorrow September 19th is the Oculus Connect event Which will take place through September 20th in Hollywood, California I sold out event is taking place Just up the block from our producer Jenny's house and she's actually really sad She can't go because the intersection of a bunch of Oculus devs and Hollywood creatives would definitely be worth checking out Instead, please enjoy this tech calendar Hollywood mashup tomorrow is also the Alibaba IPO It's kind of a big deal Alibaba has many leather bound books and its apartment smells of rich Finally, are You ready for international talk like a pirate day mateys? No. Yeah me there but get ready anyway because It's coming don't study too hard because we'll most likely kill you in the morning And on this day in 1927 the Columbia phonograph broadcasting system went on the air with 47 radio stations Within two years it would be sold and become the Columbia broadcasting system and later simply CBS Notable movies inspired by CBS include The Insider good night and good luck and broadcast news And also if it weren't for CBS Jenny and I both would have starved through parts of our careers So there you go our pick of the day comes from a couple more people talking about roaming Sims actually Peter I'm interested if you have an opinion on this as well Mark Shabo pointed out no roaming. It's kno w Com it's a sticker that you put over it kind of hijacks your sim and it lets your sim work normally when you're at home But when you go overseas you can activate it and it gives you a connection With all of your data and your phone number and everything still active through your normal sim you get he says good rates anywhere for Voice messages and data. They're not bad. Although. I think it was 15 cents a megabyte So it certainly wasn't the cheapest I've seen but you don't have to think about it in advance You arrive at your destination install the profile and it works get back home. You remove the profile It's done. It just switches to the strongest networks and it's easy to use So you might want to check it out for those with locked phones KO has another option He used XCOM global in Vancouver and it worked great about $15 per day Which sounds pricey, but it was the same price as hotel Wi-Fi and all of the phones were locked So they couldn't rent a SIM card anyway. I took a portable battery with me So my family and I had access to the internet all day I was so happy that when I sent along a thank you to post it with the return device They wrote back and gave me a 10% coupon code. He says in Japan I used a similar device from global advanced communications and that worked really well, too Their coverage was good and the speed was faster than my Comcast connection at home I think those are rentable Portable hotspots there so check that out XCOM global comm what do you use when you travel Peter? I'm always a big fan of getting the local SIM when I travel I know it is a bit of a hassle, but I just kind of you know It's something that I put into the planning of a holiday just like I'd put into where I'm gonna stay and what I'm gonna Do when I'm there, I'll just kind of look at what are the best SIM rates? I just go with those. Yeah Whoa, see they the the VPN people got to them. That's what happened. Well, you can send your picks to feedback Now you're back. Okay. There we go. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, sorry I was just gonna say one thing to look into is sometimes the iPad Sims that you can get when you're traveling So the last time I was in America, right? I grabbed a an AT&T iPad sim and and use that like generally You need need to kind of authenticate them first in an iPad But once you get past that if you just need data, they're often very very good. No, that's nifty good pick So in your picks to feedback a daily tech news show comm you can find my picks a daily tech news show comm slash picks Caleb Andrews writes in with our message of the day. Yeah, he says like a lot of others I'll be looking to upgrade to one of the new iPhones my wife and I are actually looking to switch to T-Mobile One of the things that I'm most excited in regards to the new phones is Apple pay I've been trying to do some digging to see whether or not when Apple pay launches It will be compatible with tap to pay NFC terminals at places like gas stations and retailers around where I live Or if it'll only be compatible with the locations that Apple indicated during your keynote last week So far I haven't been able to come up with a straight answer I think this may be a question that others in a similar position are asking so I thought I'd ask Caleb as I understand it Any terminal that has NFC in your location would be Capable of taking part in Apple pay, but then the retailer has to sign up with Apple pay So it's it's not going to be limited to just the people they made at their announcement because they said they're going to continue To develop Relationships with more and more people and a few of those have been announced since the announcement of the iPhone But don't expect just because a place has NFC that they're going to take Apple pay. It's kind of early days of credit cards I can remember back when you either had master charge or the bank America card and not every place took both of them Like they do today Yeah, yeah, it's um They explained in the keynote that that Apple pay would actually be a weird kind of system that doesn't speak to the retailer exactly So yeah, you're right. If the NFC reader is there Then they are capable of taking Apple pay only then if the bank that you're using and also the retailer is on board Yeah, well that is it for this episode of Daily Tech news show Thank you Peter Wells twitter.com slash Peter Wells is the place to follow Peter find out what he's up to Of course, you can find his work at reckoner.com dot a u. What do y'all got cook it up over there these days? So I made a mind Anthony has has pulled out the spreadsheet and gone through all of the Australian iPhone deals that we have out here There's about seven different carriers. I believe with the iPhone in Australia these days So he's gone through them all and and crunched the numbers to see what would be the best iPhone Deal that you can get and looking at it on a very nerdy Perspective so he only looks at 4g plans and he only looks at plans where you could easily break the contract if you wanted to get a new Phone later because that's the kind of guy he is but yeah, if you are a nerd and you like updating your device quite a bit That would be something to check out.  I work out so last year We we clocked over 12 terabytes in a day on our network so this year I'm hoping to beat that so I'll be tweeting the All of the stats of our our network and how the fact it didn't melt down yesterday, which is pretty cool I'm hoping iOS 8 beat iOS 7 But yeah, if your stats nerd you like that kind of stuff follow me for some pretty graphs throughout the day Well, yeah, just imagine all of those thousands of students all trying to grab iOS 8 all at the same time it makes perfect sense that you'd clock huge amounts of bandwidth Yeah So so that'll so follow Peter on Twitter keep keep abreast of that kind of stuff twitter.com slash Peter Wells Thanks to our patrons 4,280 of you folks out there Make this show possible We have a value for value proposition I can afford to record this locally to my hard drive for free and I probably would But but you get possible to distribute it even farther if you find some value in the show And you can give a little value back we really truly appreciate it If you want to find out more about the options to do that daily tech news show comm slash donate and thank you to those who do And even thank you if you can't and you're just out there telling folks about us that helps us out quite a bit as well Don't forget you can have a voice in what stories we cover at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit comm Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show comm our phone number is 51259 daily That's<PHONE_NUMBER> you can listen to the show live at 430 Eastern 130 Pacific at mobile dot alpha geek radio comm Monday through Friday and our website is daily tech news show comm tomorrow From hockey buzz will join us with his new iPhone 6 as well as Darren kitchen and Len Peralta illustrating the show see you then Network That's it Well done No, man Thank you. I was gonna mention one other plug, but it would make no sense to a tech audience But okay, there's only three games left in the Australian football league. You have to start watching. It's it's it's it's been an amazing year It's just been fantastic and I looked up Yeah, well, I looked at there is there's a pub in Santa Monica that is playing the grand final next week And if all goes well then the Sydney swans will be in there at the grand final and that should be an amazing game What's the path?  Okay, I know where that is Yes, yes, as you know the this one is the most ferocious of the animal kingdom So I'm really looking forward to seeing why my mighty Sydney swans are take on. Yeah, God I think it's gonna be the Hawks, but anyway Awesome Satanta has it still wow Satanta still around cool Satanta is expensive though. That's why you got a good little pub. Yeah So would you like some titles? Sure, what do we got? We got some good ones today. We've got many three-way three-vote tie of paper white ear Netflix leaves the back door open.  Yeah It has to be K because her name is so for cats his name is K But he is he's leaving Oracle to herd cats And then the one I like that was further down was canary in a cloud mine Right because the war in canary beautiful title clever. Yeah puts the police in my head Yeah, it just it has the touch of the poetry, and I don't mean the NSA when I say the I mean the band the other police before reggae band Yeah, I think that's probably my favorite Although All right show bot dot reflex org. Yes make your voice known We don't just pick the one with the most votes, but it does help us break ties in our head There are a lot of good ones here today. Yeah touch of the poet I Does the weekend hold anything exciting for you? Well, yeah, yeah, I've got the swans game tonight Okay, and you've got a friend for open flying up game Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's that we're looking to have I think 82,000 seats sold so far Do you do you play it in the Olympic Stadium? Is that where they play? Yeah? Yeah, the old Olympic Stadium. Yeah, I've been there Mmm, that's right. Yeah, you were down here for your honeymoon. I believe yeah I saw the 2003 World Cup semi-finals between the all-blacks and the wallabies At that stadium tells Telstra Stadium, right? It's changed hands about eight times since then it's a insid stadium these days, but but it's the said that it's that same one Yeah, that big giant one. Yeah, what's it called now? ANZ Stadium and Oh, well, that's very cross the pond ish cross the ditch That's just a multinational bank. Oh, is that way it's a bank. I didn't realize that was a bank. Okay. Yeah Only banks in telco is gonna afford to name stadiums in this country Any who I should go to work, but thank you. All right. That was yeah Thanks for doing that as always Really appreciate you getting up early. Yeah. Bye, Peter. Thank you All right, it is now Title time. What do we got? Ellison is leading canary in a cloud mine second Paper white year third I Missed the paper white year. How did I miss that? That was when I was talking about the Kindle and I was saying 300 PPI in the voyage would make made it even paper whittier than the paper white I think we're gonna canary. Yeah, it's just very evocative of what you were actually talking about. It is the main topic, too Yeah Let's see so poetic Today's Suddenly I was overwhelmed with a desire for Montreal style bagels I Don't think you can I haven't looked but you can't really get them almost anywhere outside of Montreal And it's one of those things that even if you could get them here, they wouldn't be the same because it's part It's the water Yeah, well, I'm pretty much only ever gonna pimp for New York bagels Well, it's I'm not saying Montreal bagels are the best bagels I'm saying that I just had a craving for that kind of bagels I Just what could they because they are really good. They're tiny. They're small Remember mini pizza bagels. Did you ever have those? At any school of higher education that you went to are you saying when when remember pizza bagels? But then you have mini pizza bagels and and tater tots and that would somehow count as a meal Or were you always a healthy eater? No, okay When pizzas on a bagel We never had pizza bagels in school. It's kind of like you're saying I did I had pizza bagels in school in my middle school and Tater tots in high school were like the mainstays Yeah, we had tater tots tater tots covered in plastic called cheese We had the square pizzas which were like a cracker Covered in ketchup covered in cheese Cut into squares when I say a cracker wasn't like a salty cracker, but it was like a cracker crust and then macaroni and cheese which was macaroni covered in plastic and We called it because you could see the soybeans in the burger Yeah, God, I hope they were really soybeans Yeah, right now some other substance Raw the verge cast went live again today Yeah at 4 30 p.m. Eastern all right so there's only so many hours in a day. They're in our space We're on demand you can get us whenever you want I think you can here, too We know that people will make the right decision. Oh deep-fried burritos TV Z gun points out That's what I thought a burrito was growing up because we never had burritos at home There are no burrito places in Greenville And so the only burrito I ever had was the school burrito and then when I found out what a burrito really was I was shocked. I was like, oh they can be good I thought burrito was synonymous for disgusting Yes, I thought it meant like dry disgusting over fried thing with something resembling beef smeared inside But no, they could be delicious Could be going to college to learn that Well, that was worth a collegiate education. Exactly. That's what I got out of my University of Illinois education In fact, the best burrito one of the best burritos I've ever had still in my life was in Cicero, Illinois Suburb of Chicago on a on a trip up to Chicago with some friends in in college like my freshman sophomore year Hey, we're tied tied it up the top of showbot Heard cats You know, you just got to get a hand at this ESA to three. He brings it On a regular basis. Yeah, it's consistency that you have to admire Did you enjoy doing Ron Burgundy today? Thank you. Yes. It's good. You you committed. It was good. Did it work? I was afraid I wasn't committing enough No, it was a good level of commitment. Yeah, I don't want to overdo it. It was good I was having trouble finding the line No, but just the pause the pregnant pause before good, okay, you know like the final one that was good All right, well done. I Was gonna make you do like six broadcast news quotes in a row and then I don't make the show run really long Yeah, we ran out. Well, we didn't run that long couple It would have run longer. I love Brock that broadcast news may be my favorite movie of all-time hands-down. I Really had to pick one. I Saw that in pieces. I think I've seen the whole thing I don't think I ever saw it all in one stretch. It was a problem Yeah, it is just spectacular. I Used to have I used to have like just the IMDb print out of all the quotes the nose Oh, yeah, I guess who's paper in my cubicle like six different printouts of it just papering nice because it was such sharp writing And also being true Got the show notes all ready to go. Good producer So I haven't settled on final Locations for files, but I know some people had a problems with the audio So a lot of people got it fine, but some people I guess got to it late and it was it was flitching out So we'll figure that out soon Christmas says what do you think of the iPhone 6? I I've I've covered that Christmas. You just missed it. I guess I think it's fine. I think it's a good phone. I don't think it's worth the crazy Response that it's getting But it's but it's a nice phone I Will give my thoughts more on it once I have one in my hands But tomorrow ecc is joining the show specifically because he he got one that will be delivered tomorrow And if all goes well, he should get his before the show and be able to like talk about his impressions directly But I don't really I'll be honest. I just don't really care about it all that much I don't and I don't mean that to be like anti-apple or hateful or anything I just feel like it's just another good phone out there And if you're in the iPhone universe, there's no reason to leave this phone is good and it adds some some excellent things I'm very encouraged by this privacy policy update. It's not perfect, but it's a it's a great step On the other hand, I it's not the kind of thing that inspired me to fight to make sure that I get it on day one Because I just think it's You know, it's the normal stair step of like, okay. It's got a bigger screen It's got NFC and the NFC is all locked down. I can only do one thing There's that's fine You know, there's a lot of things that it does that Android phones have done for a long time But the whole pitch with Apple is yes, but we do these better Until we can road test that for a few weeks. We don't really know if that's true. There's no reason to think it won't be them I Yeah, I think I'm gonna say about many for a 3d printer and an Oculus Rift headset. Yeah That's my that's the future Or a ticket to space. I went ahead and ordered a six not a six plus Because I just Eileen convinced me.  Well, I have done lots of different things. I've either I've given some to friends. I've sold some at a garage sale.  It's yeah Yeah, I just I'm ready for the big leap Did you see that article? I don't know if it came out today, but it was in New York magazine about This big long article about Silicon Valley contract workers, which was very good I'm gonna see if I can pull it up again What do y'all got cooking up over there? All right, I believe it's time to give my sad I'm out of the post. Oh There was someone who was it on Twitter Who was it two cows two cows, sorry two cows, but I am out of the post Apology happens. It happens every day Now waffle off, I guess it was me that was talking about going Moto X and I'm still I still might go to phone Middle Creek section she'd be pushing you to use Google products. Well, yeah, exactly That's that's why it was so compelling when she told me to get it and I'm like, well This is you speaking objectively then It's a good wife speaking about her husband's job Making a judgment about the phones. I just saved your wife's job Oh It's a little PR firm they could okay, all right, I'm updating my part of the post


So our next talk prior to our panel discussion is by Alan Mehta who Came to us from the University of Texas Alan's been here now Three years three years With his wife who co-lead our experimental therapeutics program and we'll talk to us about phase one trials in kidney cancer Thank you. Good afternoon It's a great pleasure and an honor to be here and giving a talk to Cancer survivor is always very special and very dear to my heart So we're going to talk about how to develop better cancer therapies introduction to phase one clinical trials and personalized medicine So I'm going to start with some numbers some mind-boggling numbers They are almost one and a half million new cases of cancer in the United States every year and more than half a million cancer related deaths The life type of ability of developing cancer is one in two in men and one in three in women And it's as estimated that about a quarter of our current population will die of cancer Cancer is now the number one killer of Americans under 85 on the bright side. They're also 10 million cancer survivor in the United States such as you and that is Related mainly to early detection and better treatments So why do we need clinical trials? We need clinical trials because obviously we don't cure all cancers yet And we need more efficient therapies We also need less toxic therapies that will improve our quality of life for the patients treated with for cancer And we also need to better match the patients with the optimal treatment, which is called personalized medicine Just remember the clinical trials is the only way to rationally develop new drugs and to bring new drugs to the patients to the market So how do you bring a new drug to the market to the patients? It's a step-wise and long process It takes about 10 to 20 years from research to bring a drug to the market And it's also very expensive one to two billion dollars to bring just one drug It starts here. Oh sorry It starts here in the lab when you discover a new promising agent And then you have to do long testing in the lab in cell lines and animals And if this drug looks promising then you go to the FDA and you have an Investigational new drug application, which allows you to start testing the drug in humans And if you talk about drug discovery you have here the drug discovery funnel that shows that it takes to test about 20,000 compounds to only bring one drug to the market So it's very discouraging and you have to go to this funnel in order to develop a cancer therapy Then once you identify this drug and you have the approval from the FDA to test it in patients It goes to the clinical testing and the clinical testing is also stepwise It goes to several phases the phase one clinical trials which ask the question is this drug safe Is it appropriate to use in humans the phase two trials as the question does this drug work? Is it good for a certain type of cancer and the phase three trials as the question? Is this drug better than our standard of care the treatment that we already have and then If all these questions have been answered it's a great drug Then you have the registration approval, but you're still not done You still have to conduct the phase four studies, which are the post-marketing trials We try to see that is there anything that we have missed while we treated this You know few hundreds of patients on these clinical trials is any signal that we we have missed So remember the drug discovery funnel after the drug discovery funnel comes a drug development funnel So when you enter the clinical trials not all the drugs make it to the market And it's estimated that actually one in 16 drugs that enter clinical trials. It's approved So it's a very very high attrition Rates in the clinical testing and we have to do a much better job here So let's start with the phase one clinical trials. What are the phase one clinical trials? So these are the first in human trials of critical step in developing any drug and because they are so sensitive And so critical are only done in a few centers 1 2 3 centers with a slow and very cautious accrual They typically accrue 15 to 50 patients and they integrate extensive research studies The main question that these trials are trying to answer is is this drug safe and appropriate for human use? The patient population that is enrolled in phase one clinical trials has to have a confirmed diagnosis of refractory cancer For which no effective therapy exists They are awfully heavily treated because they have to have exhausted all the available treatments and Typically they enroll various tumor types in a phase one clinical trial You generally enroll all type of cancers, but more recently There are phase one clinical trials that are disease oriented in a certain tumor type based on a specific target For example at Posada's talked about this hip to alpha Which is a target that is mainly expressed in kidney cancer and therefore it makes sense to try a phase one study only for patients with kidney cancer in this indication and These patients have also to have normal liver kidney and bone marrow function And this is a conundrum because this is a patient that have a long history of cancer a long history of treatments And they still have to be in great shape have normal liver kidney bone marrow function And that's why a lot of patients unfortunately do not qualify for these trials The goals of phase one cancer trials are to determine the maximum tolerated dose and the Recommended dose for further clinical testing, which is the dose that is safe and with a high probability of being also active And they also try to define the drug safety the toxicity profile the side effects and how to deal with them There are some secondary goals Which is how the treatment affects the human body? It's called the pharmacology of the drug and these are two words here the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics The pharmacokinetics means the analysis of the drug absorption distribution and metabolis in other words What the body does to the drug and then the other aspect of this is the pharmacodynamic? That means what the drug does to the body the relationship between the drug dose behavior and the clinical effects One of the secondary goals of the phase one clinical trials is to document any efficacy that might occur Because safety is clearly very important But as cancer doctors we want to see whether this drug helps our patients is any signal that this drug is helpful and Very interestingly all the approved drugs that we have today for cancer have demonstrated at least one response in a phase one clinical trial and this response is also help orient the next steps the phase 2 trial because if you see a response Let's say in a patient with kidney cancer Obviously we're gonna go and do an exploration in more patients kidney cancer to see how robust that effect is Very briefly about phase 2 clinical trials These are the first time in a certain disease kidney cancer lung cancer prostate cancer and the question They are trying to answer is the drug efficacy in a certain tumor type. Does it work in kidney cancer? Does it work in lung cancer as a difference to the phase one studies? There's a multi-center and rapidly enrolling clinical trials They are usually completed within very few months and they typically enroll about 50 to a hundred patients The patient population for these trials also has to have a confirmed diagnosis of a cancer But with a limited number of prior therapies most often second or third line of therapy And they also have to have relatively normal liver kidney and bone marrow function tests and most importantly They have to have measurable disease and why do they have to have measurable disease is because we are trying to see What's the tumor response? We assess the tumor response to this treatment how the treatment impacts on the tumor volume? And we can achieve what we call a complete remission a complete response Which is a disappearance of all tumors, which is the ideal situation and we all celebrate when this happens We can achieve a partial response, which is a good reduction the tumor size, but at least 30% Unfortunately a lot of patients have progressive disease Which is a 20% increase of the tumor burden and everything in between is considered to be stable disease neither increase nor decrease most importantly we are trying to determine the duration of response because what we want to see is a robust control of the cancer and I Always teach my students if I have to choose between a partial remission that last two months and a stable disease that last two years I'll always take the stable disease So the duration of response is just as important as a tumor shrinkage and finally of course overall survival because that's what we Ultimately want to see want to see our patients living longer Just one slide about phase three clinical trials These are large randomized trials which compare the treatment under study with the best available therapy and the question that's asked is Is this better that what we've already have? So the patients are generally assigned by chance to one of the treatments and this is something that they never like but Unfortunately, that's the only way that we've been able to develop these drugs and these are large and expensive studies sometimes they enroll more than 1,000 patients for these trials and Surprisingly a lot of drugs fail at this stage about one in two drugs that arrives at this stage after all the research That has been put into fails at this stage So the major end points that FDA wants to see with his face this trial is survival They want to see that these drugs can make our patients live longer and Finally as I said even when you approve a drug you are still not done with the research We are doing this phase four studies after drug approval and marketing Trying to see if we miss something because we have treated a few hundreds or a few thousands of patients But sometimes there are side effects that happen in only 1% of the patients or less And we still have to try to identify these problems and to deal with them And this is what we're doing it here at Samuel Ocean comprehensive cancer Institute clinical trials are a priority because this is the way to offer cutting-edge treatments to our patients and We are offering phase one studies for patients who have received every reasonable standard of care We offered phase two studies for patients with certain tumor types where we know that progress is needed And we often phase three studies for the most promising drugs which could become the new treatments for tomorrow We also do translational studies and translation studies means that we are going back from the patient to the laboratory To better understand the side effects and the mechanism of action of these drugs and how to improve in the way we use them Now going back to renal cancer in 2005 the state-of-the-art Treatment for advanced renal cancer included two drugs only two drugs available in 2005 Interlucent two and interferon alpha and there was clearly a huge need for developing new and more efficacious treatments and then The targeted therapy revolution happened in renal cell cancer and it all started with some phase one studies This phase one studies with these drugs with barbarian names Bay for three nine zero zero six SU one one two four eight CCI seven seven nine They all have a common thread all these phase one studies showed some responses in patients with renal cell carcinoma as you can see here and this is something that was not seen before renal cell carcinoma was not always the refractory to all the treatments that we had and These drugs became thereafter Saurafenib Sunitinib temsir olimus drugs that we've all heard about and some of you have received already that had marked this targeted therapy revolution in renal cell carcinoma This is a slide that I borrowed from dr. Figlin And this shows the timeline of the approval of these drugs and the timeline of this target therapy revolution in renal cancer And as you can see here from 82 when the first responses with interleukin interferon were seen until 2004 Not much happened only one drug approved interleukin high dose But a lot of research a lot of research that allow us to understand how kidney cancer works and this research that was done here led to this revolution in just a few years from 2005 to 2010 all these drugs that got approved Temsir olimus everolimus pasopanib saurafenib sunitinib etc And we have now a rich armamentarium for the treatment of the kidney cancer cancer patients And yes, they do much better and they live much longer than they used 10 to 15 years ago Now remember all this started with phase one studies and In continuing this tradition we have here phase one studies for renal cell carcinoma And these are the four studies that i'm going to briefly talk about the phase one to trial of trc 105 and accytinib the pi is dr. Ed Posadas the phase one trial of pt2385 Pi being dr. Figlin the phase one study of mln012h and sgncd70a pi dr. Monica Mita The first one is the phase one to trial of trc105 and accytinib Accytinib is a drug that you may heard about it's approved for the treatment of renal cancer It's an all inhibitor of some receptor tyrosine kinases Such as vgfr1 2 and 3 these are implicated in angiogenesis as dr. Posada explained the formation of new blood vessels that are critical for the tumor growth and because of that they trigger tumor growth and cancer progression Now trc105 is an antibody targeting cd105 which is also an important antigenic target Which is very distinct from vgfr however and trc105 also inhibits angiogenesis tumor growth and metastasis in animal models And it nicely complements the activity of drugs that target vgfr In a phase one study the drug was well tolerated and caused a reduction of angiogenic biomarkers and tumor burden By targeting a known vgfr pathway this drug has the potential to complement the vgfr inhibitors And could represent a major advance in the cancer therapy The combination of this drug trc105 and accytinib is now currently under evaluation here at Cedars-Sinai The phase one part of the study has been accomplished and it showed that the drugs can be safely combined together And now the phase two part of the study is ongoing trying to see how much more active the combination is compared to accytinib alone, so stay tuned The next study is pt2305 which is a heft 2 alpha inhibitor So now we know after all that research I talked about for renal cancer that 90 percent of renal cancers Have a normal gene called vhl and this tumor suppressor gene being abnormal leads to accumulation of heft 2 alpha This heft 2 alpha and heft 1 alpha or hypoxia inducible factors are transcription factors that interfere with the dna And are implicated in cancer growth and resistance to chemotherapy and radiation therapy The drug pt2385 is a first-in-class and highly selective inhibitor of heft 2 alpha and it's orally administered It has demonstrated robust tumor regression and growth inhibition animals And it was safe and well tolerated in animals And now this first in human study with a drug was recently initiated at cedar sinai And the first two patients were already approached and will be enrolled in the next week or so Just a few words about a couple of other studies this study with mln 0128 This is a novel mTOR and pi3 kinase inhibitor if you want a super avarolimus The study in renal cancer Has been accomplished and is close to accrual and the final results are now awaited And this other trial with sg and cd70a in patients with cd positive malignancy cd70 was also identified to be an important marker for renal cancer And the study is now undergoing regulatory approval. We have to see it open in the next few weeks So stay tuned for this one as well The last part of my talk is going to be about personal medicine and how to better match each patient and its optimal treatment You've heard this morning that renal cancer is not one disease There are many many different types of renal cancer and they're all very different from a histologic microscopic standpoint But the biomarkers have advanced with technology And we evolved from the first hematoxiline aerozine stain Which allowed us to identify cancer cells within a normal tissue to immunohistochemistry Which allows us to identify this different type of renal cancers And now we are in the era of gene arrays And the gene arrays are if you want the molecular fingerprinting or the Genetical fingerprinting of a tumor And these gene arrays have been the nightmare of my fellowship I thought that i'm never going to be able to understand this is way too complicated way above my head When actually things are pretty simple On a gene array You have columns and each column is a patient sample or a tumor and you have rows and each rows is a gene And you have two color codes green, which means downregulated and red, which means over expression So on this gene array, you can see that for these patients here These genes are downregulated while these genes here are overactive Which is very different in these patients here who have a very different genetic profile And why is that important? It is important because molecular biology can allow us to diagnose and treat cancer more effectively And i'm going to give you an example in lung cancer, but this applies for any type of cancer including renal cancer This is a study that was done in a few hundreds of patients with one type of lung cancer All these patients had identical lung cancer from a microscopic standpoint However, when you do a gene array, you can see that there are at least three different types of cancers These patients here have a downregulation of this group of genes here and upregulation of this group of genes here This group of patients here have an upregulation of these genes here And the third group of patients have none of them And why is that important? These are some survival curves that show you how many patients are alive at 30, 40, 50, 60 months In this group of patients Almost all patients are alive at five years Which is very different with this group of patients where only half of the patients are alive at five years And very different with this group of patients where almost all patients are dead After just a couple of years. So clearly these are three distinct types of lung cancer Although they look identical on the microscope and this genetic profiling can separate these three groups And clearly we have to develop new therapies much better therapies for these two group of patients In order to achieve the same results as we have the the good group So this is the promise of tailoring multi-targeting therapies through personalized medicine So we hope that we're going to achieve that when you have a group of four patients Who have exactly the same type of cancer based on their genetic profiling You will be able to tailor the treatment and patient a will receive surgery and a target therapy Patient b will receive radiation therapy chemotherapy and another targeted therapy While patient c may only need a targeted therapy, etc, etc And also to choose which one of these target therapy is the most appropriate for each patient So this is a very famous painting by Rembrandt from the 1600s The anatomy lecture of dr. Nicholas Tulp And maybe dr. Tulp is showing his students a type of cancer based on the anatomic profile Where the cancer started and this is what we have been doing for 500 years But now we are moving in the genomic era and it's more important not where the cancer started But what the genetic profile of that cancer is Because what we have been doing for many many years When we had a group of patients and we have several treatment options patients were Recommended a certain treatment based on very rudimentary very primitive things such as a tumor size the number of lymph nodes and how it looked on the microscope And they were assigned to either surgery or radiation or active surveillance without knowing anything about their genetic profile What we hope to be able to do from now on based on the sophisticated genetic approach that we have available here at Cedars Is to match each patient with the best treatment And based on that molecular profile to tailor for each patient the most appropriate therapeutic approach Whether it's surgery radiation targeted therapy or maybe just active surveillance And we hope that this is going to be a much better way of treating cancer and to evolve towards personalized medicine My last slide The conclusion about clinical trials The national comprehensive cancer network Which is a federation of the best cancer centers in the united states has the motto that the best care of a cancer patient is within a clinical trial Unfortunately, only five percent of the cancer patients in this country are enrolled in clinical trials Keep in mind that without clinical trials will continue to practice yesterday medicine instead of the medicine of the future And that the first cure of patients with advanced cancer were seen in phase one clinical trials And therefore every clinical trials is a new hope for cancer patients Or if you want a new dawn such as this favorite painting of mine from onee and with this I am done and thank you for your attention