it's six o'clock and I'm going to call the ethics board meeting to order I'm Alderman Jim borne of the fourth district temporary chair of the ethics board madam city clerk would you please call the roll boron here bulk yeshah Hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas excuse mani meyer montemayor rinflash ryan smith vanderwheel verhasult excuse and wongerman 14 present Alderman wongerman would you lead us in the pledge please I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and through the republic for which it stands one nation under God invisible with liberty and justice for all thank you Alderman wongerman we do need to mic up tonight as we do for a regular council meeting because this is on this is on TV eight tonight before we proceed with the agenda I just wanted to make a couple comments the last night at last Monday nights council meeting Alderman Gish's resolution council document number 1643 was referred and I have to use that word referred because it's important to the to the S to the ethics board last Tuesday I met with the city attorney the city clerk Alderman Hannah as council president was invited I met with them last Tuesday and it was my intention to go forward with the ethics board investigation tonight in fact I had a agenda prepared when I got to the meeting I found out because of a technicality with Alderman Gish's resolution that it would have been proper to have that resolution passed by the council and then sent on to the sent on to the ethics board because of that because of that oversight we are somewhat limited as to what we can do tonight but in my agenda that I had that I had prepared I was prepared to take testimony under oath from Alderman Ryan Alderperson Meyer and also Mayor Perez for any knowledge that he had with the incident that happened on November 9th with that being said as I said we can only go ahead with what we're able to do tonight because of that oversight with the resolution so we will now move forward with the agenda and the first thing on the agenda is our own number<PHONE_NUMBER> council document number 1622 by the city clerk submitting a communication from Alderperson bulk stating that as his that as he is unable to attend tonight's council meeting he wishes to lend his strongest personal support to the resolution that would convene the Common Council Council's ethics board in order to investigate a threat to to reveal details of an elected official's personal life as a means to manipulate political behaviors or outcomes and Alderman bulk thank you Mr. Chairman I'd move that the ROB accepted in place on file thank you Alderman Montemayor thank you Chairman I think I buzzed in first and I would like to move to file all documents one two three agenda items 1622 1623 and 1643 point of order here we have a motion on the floor that has not been seconded by Alderman bulk and that is to handle number one okay we have a motion and a second to file agenda item number one any discussion I don't think we need a roll call on this do we all in favor aye chair votes aye agenda item number one is filed Alderman Montemayor did you want to continue yeah yes thank you chairman I would then like to file agenda item number two agenda item number three for RO number 3970708 and resolution number 1520708 turning the clean point of order should Alderman Meyer Alderperson Meyer be seconding this thank you you know this is an issue that deals with whether or not an Alderperson feels they've got a conflict of interest or not it's a personal decision it's a personal choice whether an Alderperson abstains or not I would point out though that the criteria basically are under the ethics code the conflict of interest whether you you've got personal or a financial interest in the matter it would appear to me that Alderperson Meyer has a personal interest in the matter but that's you know I can give an advisory opinion the Alderman have to do what they what they feel is appropriate for them I guess I would advise Alderperson Meyer from abstaining and not take part in the motion but it's my advice I'll have been replaced by order we the motion that has made out we have second yet that's a reverse to her second but is to file a document that we don't have on the agenda she mentioned number two number three and then the fourth one she mentioned in her motion you repeat the motion thank you our own number 3970708 agenda item number on our number two on tonight and resolution number 1520708 agenda item number three on our agenda tonight just those yes it appears that the motion dies for a lack of second moving on to agenda item number two our own number 3970708 council document number 1623 by the city clerk submitting a communication from Asher Heimermann stating his support for the resolution requesting the ethics board to convene for the purpose of conducting an investigation and possible action regarding all our person Vicki Meyer all our person Montemay air thank you again Alderman Boye agenda item number two here we all do know that this was a communication from child I it's nice with civics with with middle school kids but I just wanted to object to us having something on our agenda that was from 14 year old thank you for now all our person kittleson thank you mr. chair can't we just move to file document number 1623 as well we have a motion and a second to file document number 1623 any discussion all in favor chair votes I thank you next thing on the agenda item number three resolution number 1520708 council document number 1643 by Alderperson Gisha requesting that the common council direct the ethics board to convene for the purpose of investigating potential wrongdoing or improper behavior in office by all our person Vicki Meyer Alderman Gisha thank you chairman boring is it appropriate at this time to as we're meeting as a committee if anyone additional we had great discussion about this last Monday evening a great deal of a discussion be appropriate of any additional information that any of the parties involved wish to speak to at this time thank you Alderman Gisha yes it is appropriate all our person Meyer thank you mr. chairman at this point I would request that my attorney be allowed to speak for me that would be fine do I think we need a motion to open up the floor to all person Myers attorney all in favor chair votes I attorney if you'd like to step forward to the podium please if you could state your name in your firm and your business address for the record please sure my name is John Raftery and I'm an attorney with the Rittger Law Office Random Lake 675 Wolf Road in Random Lake mr. chairman members of the council ethics board thank you for allowing me to speak excuse me attorney would you pull the microphone up just a little bit please so they can hear at home normally I'm a little louder than this thank you thank you Alderperson Meyer has asked me to help her with this because if you haven't noticed this has been a matter of great concern for her and there's a lot of anxiety about how this may turn out I have worked with local government officials for 30 years and I think I have observed what approaches seem to work and I'm sure seeing a lot of approaches that don't seem to work but like to tell you that I think that the process that's being used here is not the correct one to address the issue ethics code section 267 on responsibilities of public officials and employees has a specific list of things that officials must do and a list of things they should do there's a big difference between must do and should do must do as a mandate should do is a recommendation if you must do something it's an obligation if you should do it it's an admirable goal I should lose weight I don't hear any argument to that the must do is in 267 include you must uphold the Constitution of the US you must uphold the Constitution of the state you must carry out the laws impartially to foster respect of all government you must observe the highest standards of morality and you must discharge the duties of your office faithfully regardless of personal considerations keeping the public interest as your primary concern now what are the should do is conduct your public and private affairs so as to be above a reproach in order to foster respect for all government and I think that's a subsection that you'll be asked to consider in connection with this resolution conduct public and private affairs so as to be above reproach what does that mean well it's not defined in the code is it above reproach as measured by the mayor's standards above reproach as measured by a citizen standards I think each of you may have different definitions of what that means how much tolerance do you have for differing viewpoints in different ways of saying things the next should is you should not exceed your authority next you should not breach the law next you should not ask others to exceed their authority or breach the law and next you should work with full cooperation with other public officials and employees and less prohibited by law or by confidentiality rules now that's 267 there are a lot of other sections in your ethics code that I think are much clearer 268 use of public property 269 obligations to citizens 270 conflicts of interest and so on and so on other than 267 which we're discussing here there's only one other reference in the ethics code to the phrase should that's the last part of 273 in which gifts or favors received under unusual circumstances should be referred to a supervisor or to this ethics board for recommended disposition and I didn't see a definition of what unusual circumstances are apparently that's in the eye of the beholder also now what does it mean to conduct your affairs to be above approach or to work work in full cooperation with other public officials as you know in your dealings with other public bodies it's literally impossible to work in full cooperation at all times with other public officials but these are shoulds rather than shells let's assume for the sake of argument they mean the same let's assume just for the sake of this discussion that everything that was charged against Alderperson Meyer would be true right down to the last dramatic detail this still is not the basis for an ethics code violation political disputes mud slinging is nothing to political disagreements lead to short tempers they lead to insults sometimes the insults are very hurtful sometimes they're humorous in one of Lincoln's debates with judge Stephen Douglas in 1858 when Lincoln was running for Congress judge Douglas wanted the crowd to see him as educated and cultured and wanted to paint Lincoln as a poor commoner the Douglas said he wasn't sure how Lincoln's employment at a general store would qualify him to go to Congress considering the one of Lincoln's principal duties had been to sell glasses of whiskey to customers at the bar Lincoln's response was that he'd learned a lot about what the people thought from the hours he spent behind the bar including the many hours listening to judge Douglas who was leaning on the other side of it one of the most renowned slingers of political insults of course was Winston Churchill there was a aristocratic woman who felt that Churchill was a traitor to his class by supporting the Labor Party lady Aster Nancy Aster and a one-function she said to Churchill sir if you were my husband I'd poison your tea Churchill replied madam if I were your husband I'd drink it and recently the use of humor by Ronald Reagan in 1984 when he ran for re-election at the age of 73 and questions about his age came up his opponent water Mondale was a very young 56 Reagan said during a campaign speech others have mentioned the age issue well I disagree that it's a problem I'm not going to let my opponents youth and inexperience become a campaign issue now when you compare the charges against all-person wire to those incidents and ask how were those disputes solved they were all solved at the ballot box the voters decided which candidate they wanted and that's the way I think most people in the city of Sheboygan want it done if you want to be a representative of the people let the people decide if you're worthy what is the purpose in perpetuating insults arising from political rivalries I recall when I was a Cub Scout the Cub Scout packs had a summer baseball league I played on a team that happened to beat another team with a couple acquaintances of mine and one of the kids on the losing team came up and said well you may have won the game but you're fat that happened about 55 years ago I'm so fat but I still remember that comment insults hurt insults stay with you insults divert you from the public's business how many hours collectively have you spent as public officials thinking about this problem talking to others about this issue trying to decide how you're going to handle it later tonight when you convene as a council I understand you're going to be addressing the city's budget how difficult is it when you address that budget to look at which areas could be trimmed which programs that you've rejected should really be added if you had the money for it the budget is the greatest policy document this council deals with each year how you spend the taxpayers money tells the taxpayers what your political policies are have you been diverted from a thorough study of the budget and other important items of city business because of this so how do we get people away from personal tax how to get people to focus on debating ideas rather than attacking people can you respect the person you disagree with even if you don't like his ideas sure you can't it's not easy you might be able to persuade him to change his view if you use diplomacy and approach him privately and I'd remind you that this incident started with a private conversation that was not intended to publicly embarrass anybody when you challenge somebody's position in public you just run the battle lines the only effective way is to present your reasons for an action calmly truthfully without emotional overtones and without attacks against individuals or groups perhaps one way to do that would be a code of courtesy I don't think the code of ethics applies to this particular problem but if you adopted a code of courtesy you would have some guidance on what is and what is not acceptable behavior if you want to give that some thought I've prepared a very short draft for your consideration like to pass out at this time I can tell you in trying to develop this as a starting point for your consideration there are very few local governmental bodies that have a code of courtesy I think you will have the same problems in interpreting and enforcing a code of courtesy that you do with section 267 does it apply to specific situations has a person conducted themselves in their public and private affairs above approach what is courtesy what is politeness what is respect if you want to pursue this you can polices up with the way that you'd like it and introduce it to the council through the usual channels whatever out you take a respectfully submit to you that the charges against all the person Meyer simply do not fit within the code of ethics which is what she's being charged with if you're not pleased with what she said all the person Ryan please keep in mind that it was set in private and it was not all the person Meyer who decided to go public with it I have six young grandchildren and some aspects of this remind me one of them running to her mommy complaining that her brother said a bad word now what's the purpose of saying that to get the brother in trouble well how does that help my granddaughter what's accomplished by that nothing nothing positive is accomplished by personal attacks I think that's a classic example of childish behavior that's where emotions have overtaken reason because of political rivalries or past slights if you consider this as a violation of the ethics code be prepared for a flood of complaints from people who feel that some city official treated them disrespectfully and should come before this ethics board that's not what the ethics code was designed to do thank you thank you attorney referee and thank you all the person Meyer I have a number of lights flashing here I believe first as president Hannah thank you thank you all the person boy a couple things I just need clarification under that code 267 high standards of morality that fall into the shallow the mandated behavior and secondly we as a council already have a general rule of conduct provided by Mayor Perez and reference page 6 it says all the person's committee commissioners board members shall conduct themselves in highly professional and respectful matters when representing the city an answer to your first question attorney McLean would you want to comment on that please thank you mr. chairman I don't have a copy of the code right handy I think I've got one with me but they found it yet the language in 2-267 yes that says there's mandated language and there's recommended language according to a council rat I guess my opinion is the same as it was at the council meeting and I think I expressed it maybe it wasn't clear as possible but I guess I would agree with attorney Raptory from the standpoint that the the prohibitions are really the subsequent sections the this is sort of an aspirational provision in my view 2-267 I was asking he had made reference to high standards of morality did they fall under the mandate of the recommendation they're bound to observe in their official acts the highest standards of morality it falls under the same as really a mandate bound to uphold the Constitution the United States as well I guess the highest standards of morality is it's it's rather subjective as to what some of these morals is but instead the the main thrust of the ethics code is not you know ethical conduct in general it's personal and financial interests in your affairs as as an alderman as a department head as any city official and the dues and don'ts are really set forth in the other specific sections they can't use city property for personal gain and that sort of thing did you want to follow up president thank you yes I just and I think all of us have thought long and hard about the situation tonight and I would just I would like to really pose a question to my my fellow all their people and I asked this question is the conduct complained of such that we would want to condone or condemn it regardless of political alignments ethical lapses should be judged objectively as possible as opposed to subjectively ethical lapses should be judged without consideration of public sentiment ethics have more timeless of an element whether a specific act is ethical or not needs to be judged by a timeless standard thank you all of them Hannah the next later have flashing here is Alderman bulk thank you mr. chairman a lot of this depends on a lot of what we do tonight will depend on whether we believe the story that is out there about what happened out on that hallway and we have only the public record to go and so if you believe what happened if you believe the public reports there have been several opportunities for both parties to explain their side of the story there were newspaper reports at the beginning of this I had personal conversations with both of them before it grew to this level and that led me to to write my letter to our to the council and then there were more newspaper articles there were proceedings last Monday night for this story to get out there and in all of that I have heard nothing from the older person from the 7th district to indicate that there's been some sort of misunderstanding I'm not convinced that the older person from the 7th district has even acknowledged that if you believe what happened and we have no reason not to believe it because there's been no refuting of it if you are to believe that then the only conclusion you can draw is that there was a threat made to reveal private family information in order to manipulate future political outcomes and I can't imagine anything more against the highest standards of morality to quote the councilor's reference of section 2267 they are bound to observe in their official acts the highest standards of morality and discharge faithfully the duties of their office regardless of personal considerations you can talk about the word should you can talk about the word shall it says they are bound to observe in their official acts the highest highest standards so again the good presentation made by the councilor you can't invoke immunity by just saying it was a private conversation that doesn't get you anything that doesn't get you points that doesn't get you immunity just because you say it was private there's nothing private about that conversation and it wasn't an attack or an insult I love the Ronald Reagan quote I love all the councilors quotes I but that wasn't what happened in the hall if you believe if we are to believe that that's what happened and we have no reason not to believe it because there have been several opportunities for it to be refuted and it wasn't so if you believe that that's what happened in the hall then it wasn't an attack or an insult it was a threat there's a threat to manipulate future political outcomes by revealing private family information and and and why that's important and the councilor invoked that too I wish we hadn't spent the last two weeks counselor spending all this time on the silly matter not that it's a silly matter it's a very grave matter I wish we hadn't spent all this time that for the past two weeks dealing with this because we have had the budget on our mind and I know everybody in this room has put all their effort into the budget and has been an additional burden of this matter I wish it had but when something of this grave magnitude comes before us we can't dismiss it because it puts in jeopardy what everybody believes we are using the rationale that we're using to decide the other official business if we tolerate this kind of behavior if we believe what happened in the hallway and we have no reason not to believe it because there's been no refuting of it if we tolerate that behavior amongst this body then then that puts every judgment we make ambulance and fire service budgets early retirements it puts all that into question because why are you doing it are you doing it because you're afraid personal information is going to come out are you doing it because the numbers say what you believe the numbers say so I guess I'll close by asking one more time for the older person from the 7th district to take the opportunity to stand before her peers and acknowledge either what happened happened and explain to us why that's wrong I would just like to hear her articulate why that is potentially unethical why are we here and if she can't do that or won't do that then that makes it hard for me not to think that we need to deal with this with with strong measures because I'm not convinced if that doesn't happen I won't be convinced that she believes she did anything wrong and that for me would be a hard thing to swallow thank you thank you all of them in bulk my next late flashing is Alderman Gisha thank you Chairman Boran very much this is a sad evening for everybody I feel a lot of sadness for older person Meyer and for the rest of the council in the city we do have pressing business to move on to and I hope we can after this evening lawyers are interesting animals they they're an awful lot like magician they try to say look over here while they're doing something over here and and I understand that and that's the way the system works splitting hairs under the definition of must and should is like splitting hairs over the definition of the word is and what that means by diverting the issue please don't be diverted by the issue wonderful quotes and interesting little quips political mumbo jumbo from over the years that are wonderfully entertaining however it trivializes the issue we're dealing with here if Lincoln it stood up in that in that debate and said I got dirt on the other guy and if Lincoln doesn't shut his mouth I'm gonna bring up that we wouldn't be he wouldn't be quoting that that and he was exchange political insults are one thing this was not a political insult this was a personal attack and in my view a a threatening attack a diversion yes it's exactly what this is but this body didn't start the diversion so please do not put the burden of the process we're going through at the fault of this body we didn't do it we didn't start it we didn't say it we are dealing with it I do not fault Alderman Ryan for going to the media that seemed to be another attempt by the statement to to try to stop Alderman Ryan from that was bad that he went to the media I don't blame for doing that I don't blame for doing that if it was just a political quick argument as attorney Rafter he was talking about then I would fault him for going to the media for that because it was just normal political discourse this rises above normal political discourse keep the public's interest as your primary concern that was the quote for the spokesperson for all the person Meyer if this isn't that which is also contained in 267 I don't know what is yes it's a diversion I appreciate the the code of courtesy I think it's a very interesting document but I don't need a code of courtesy to tell me not to threaten another all about bringing up their personal and family lives I appreciate it would be a wonderful thing to look at but but some things are common sense and and maybe if I can go back now to city attorney McLean our question for you by everything that's said in your statements is this board fully within its authority to take action this evening and make recommendations this evening under the code of ethics we have yes or no not to take any action but to make recommendations to the council we're fully within our authority are the statute I believe so okay with that I would move to file resolution number 150 207 08 and move to pass the following and ask the council to pass the following I move to pass a censure of Alderman my well the person Meyer and ask for the removal of all the person Meyer as chairman of the committee of the whole second for the interest of the city so we can move on we have a motion to and a second to censor all her person Meyer and take away her committee chairmanship of the committee of the whole is there any discussion on that is there any discussion on the motion I have some lights flashing that are not on the motion first I'll take discussion on the motion if I could follow up go ahead Alderman I'm sorry that was a little improper to explain that action if you believe a a censure is an order which is no punitive action on a censor on a censure all the person Meyer would be replaced back as chairman of the committee the whole which then would make all the person Meyer the chairman of the ethics board and I think that would be incompatible with each other if you feel a if you're of a mind that a censure is appropriate so the two do tie together and and do make sense from public interest standpoint and and from a common sense standpoint they make sense to me together and that's why they are tied thank you thank you Alderman Gisha our discussion on the motion only Alderman Rindflash were you on the motion only go ahead please thank you Mr. Chairman it seems to be the motion is something similar that we asked for already on last week Monday a censure it seems like we could already been beyond this so I have no opposition to the motion itself except for the fact that the technicalities we were not able to actually hear both sides of story under oath of what did happen we're making some big judgments on saying this is a personal attack I wasn't there I didn't hear I've only heard one side of story it wasn't under oath I believe it happened and I believe the behavior was inappropriate we're gonna be taking a stand here to remove someone from it from a chairmanship without being able to hear the stories both under oath so if the motion continues I will vote with the motion but urge you to perhaps wait again if we all want to be beyond this that we can do this properly if we're going to take that that kind of stand all the eyes are dotted tees across and both parties are able to be heard in front of the whole committee under oath thank you thank you thank you all of them in place any discussion on the motion only Alderman Manning thank you Mr. Chair to vote the censure is to open a Pandora's box extremely vague area category we are called to uphold the highest standards it's highly subjective if we open this door and go this avenue we potentially tie up hundreds of our hours in the future with business that's an aside to the city's real business it was a sad moment in personal relationship but that's I think where it ends I think the attorney was correct any censure that should come comes at the ballot box and I believe the older person has already had a greater censure by virtue of the public exposure and discussion than any censure that we could thus give if that was our pleasure I think it's a waste of time and energy I think we need to move ahead with the business of the city there have been two basic responses in the city as I have spoken with people the first is outcry and outrage and the other is dismissive it sounds to folks as if we're adolescents and being caught up in personal innuendo I don't know where each of us falls on that spectrum but I think it's interesting to note those two responses in the life of our city it's a no-win the censor the censor has effectively already been been made publicly let's move ahead please vote down this motion thank you Alderman Manny point of order attorney McLean should I be taking the vote on the motion or can I continue with the lights that are flashing before I take the vote on the motion that's up to the chair but I would say if somebody wants to speak to the motion should probably honor that request I have I have three lights flashing first of all is Alderman Ryan did you want to speak on the motion Alderman Ryan or did you have some other comment I don't believe I'm obligated to abstain attorney McLean your opinion on whether Alderman Ryan should abstain it's a tough call and it's a personal call I prepared a letter to the to the mayor in response to his questions about about this and I said on the fly I used my judgment at the last meeting and when there was a motion to censure Alderperson Meyer I didn't feel that Alderman Ryan had a personal or financial interest in whether or not the council as a body censured Alderman Meyer any different than any other Alderman as a as an alderman if you look at again the ethics code as far as personal and financial interest if Alderperson Ryan was to gain something and I think this comes down to a personal judgment on Alderman Ryan's part he is accountable for voting or not voting or abstaining or not abstaining but the the ethics code speaks in terms of if there's a personal conflict personal interest or financial interest certainly I can see a certain amount of personal interest from a retribution type of standpoint but that would be more related to if Alderperson Meyer excuse me Alderperson Ryan was getting something out of the vote personally or financially which I don't believe he would be any more than any other Alder persons and I did give the opinion previously that Alderperson Meyer I think should abstain in that she does have a personal interest in this in that the the allegations being made against her and the the action is being proposed against her but I do think it's it's a close case as to whether Alderperson Ryan should abstain or not I think he's gonna have to use his conscience on that as I say the opinion I provided at the council meeting Monday night I think I have the same opinion I'm somewhat torn by whether or not indeed Alderperson Ryan has a personal or financial interest in the outcome of the action anymore or less than any other Alderperson thank you attorney McLean Alderman Ryan I'll I'll recognize you I do not want to rehash of what you said the other night I want you to keep your comments germane to tonight's discussion so go ahead very good sir I appreciate it first of all I I can in with a clear conscience vote on this for a reason that's because I've already lost I have nothing to gain I don't want to be here tonight doing this I'd rather be at home I have nothing to gain here I had nothing to gain from the start I had nothing to gain from being out in the hallway and I'll leave that at that as far as tonight's vote goes basically I think this is an issue of ethics ethics is morality dictionary definition of morality is the rightness or wrongness something is what was done right or wrong and that's basically the question that faces the council was it ethical was it not ethical it is subjective it's a matter of captions for people was it right was it wrong that's that's basically what it's all about one thing I can't say I want to put this behind us as a council you know what the citizens I didn't watch this to happen in the first place I can't believe it did one thing I can promise is that when this is over I have scheduled some meetings with different mayors of different municipalities to go over their code of ethics and how can they run a clean local government without constantly being in the newspapers looking like a bunch of bozos and I will take care looking like looking less than professional one thing I do promise is that when this is over regardless of the outcome and I do want it to be over tonight I will do my best hopefully with the help of all their persons on this council that have an idea in their mind of what ethics means that we will have a true code of ethics in this city thank you all of them Ryan Alderman Vanderbilt your next thank you Mr. Chairman I just want to say that assuming she said what has been said she said I I believe it was wrong assuming that's what happened but I feel uncomfortable censuring somebody without more of a formal hearing without a testimony without it being under oath so I will vote accordingly thank you Alderman Vanderbilt Alderman Montemayor thank you chairman the code book specifically warns us to stay out of this sort of hallway harangue I think attorney Beesing made it clear I think attorney McLean made it clear I think attorney Raftery made it clear this does not fall in the ethics code book that we're talking about and the public humiliation that Alderman Meyer went through last week certainly is plenty of punishment to last for a long time that's not what I would have hoped from us as a council as an ethics board thank you thank you all of them Montemayor are there any other Alderman that want to be heard before I call for the vote Alderman Wongerman thank you Mr. Chairman not to get off the point here the point has been made that an attempt was made through a veiled threat or a direct threat to influence a vote or to influence future outcome of voting this is the issue not whether bad or good things were said about someone not even did somebody lie I thank Alderman Montemayor for continually giving us legal updates but I too have a big book at home just like you have and I've read it okay so but thank you anyway and keep in mind this is what we're talking about was a threat made I have seen nothing to refute that what was the purpose of that threat this is what we have to look at and put aside all the other stuff all the smoke and mirrors that have been put before us but a threat was made and this is a serious thing and as Alderman Gisha said this is a sad night yeah it's a very sad night I'm pretty familiar with Sheboygan history and I can't find anything like it that I've ever seen in the past even in my lifetime and before so this council should hang their heads and sadness tonight because this is a sad night thank you thank you all of them and all of them involved did you press your button again yes sir go ahead thank you mr. chairman I have a procedural question and then I'd like to follow up with a comment for attorney McLean can you re-explain what is it that prevents us from if either party wanted to go under oath tonight what prevents us from that if anything number one it's not on the agenda number two the and I guess with my apologies to Alderman Gisha if this construed our conversation the the document that was referred to this board was not acted on by the council and the document called for the resolution called for the council directing the ethics board to convene and investigate that wasn't adopted by the council it was merely referred so to to start conducting an investigation under oath at this point I think is a due process issue where the parties haven't really been properly notified that they're even being investigated and all that this document was doing was being referred to this body for a recommendation back to the council as to whether to direct the ethics board to conduct the hearing so you know had the council passed resolution 150 207 208 last Monday night then I'd say you'd be in a hearing mode tonight assuming there would have been ample time to provide due process opportunity to be heard and so forth but okay well then given that there's no question about notification everybody in town knew that this piece was going to be talked about tonight and given the fact that Alderman Meyer has an attorney present is there any way that we could choose if she wants to is there any way that we can choose to give her the opportunity to speak is there anything we can do tonight to give her the chance to be heard you can ask her you know if you want to compel her to testify I would say no okay then I still have some comments I want to make after but I would just postulate the question or pose the question to us as a body do we want to grant ourselves grant our peer the opportunity to to speak her piece thank you all about I did extend that I did extend that opportunity earlier for either all of them all the person may or to be heard or her counsel and she chose her counsel at this time and that was my understanding and when she when she rules she said I want my counsel to do my talking tonight so that's what happened did you have a couple further comments yes sir thank you just for a second then then I don't see how we can we've given all the person Meyer every reasonable opportunity to disabuse us of the notion we have that of what happened out in that hall and her and her counselor are not going to do that and so given that it's a shame we shouldn't allow her counselor to trivialize by invoking his grandchildren to trivialize what we do here and we shouldn't I know that if you read the blogs or if you read whatever you're reading out there there are people as Alderman Manny referred to there are people that think this is trivial and I just couldn't disagree more you have 16 people who have spent a lot of time thinking about this we aren't acting on this quickly we aren't acting on this of hot temper there and we're not acting on this emotionally we're acting on this out of a sad sad notion that the way we want to behave was violated something we believe in was violated and so when children tattletail on each other that may or may not have consequences and unfortunately the alderman alder person from the 7th district has undergone and so has the alder person from the 4th district an unfortunate public hearing but that's that's not what we as a body do we as a body put things in law and and we have to react it's a little disappointing I know that Alderman Manny's a man of God and also a man of counsel you know he counsels people secularly I suppose and and he I would think that he knows that actions have consequences so I would I would ask just a couple more questions one is if a business peer said this to us at work we work for the same boss boy you wouldn't want our boss finding out about what I know about you and your wife would you would we think that was an ethical way to act at work if someone in our volunteer or our church life came up to us and said you don't want the priest to know what I know about you do you or you don't want the church trustees to know do you would we think that was ethical behavior for an applicant of a liquor license if an applicant for a liquor license came up to an alderman and said I better get my liquor license because guess what I know some stuff about you would we think that was ethical behavior I just it's a it's a sad sad night and what I think may be most sad about it is that some people think it's trivial and that's that's the most unfortunate part for me thank you for your your time thank you all the bulk I have time for one more and that is Alderman Rindflige chairman I guess follow-up on what we're we're hearing today the initial intent was to call us ethics board to investigate I watch a lot of CSI crime shows and investigation to me is go get the information look under every rock every aspect we can are we taking this role seriously to investigate right now I don't see that we are we've heard stories we have not heard both sides of the story yes she had the opportunity she did not do so but we have not actually put anybody under oath we are here you know what we hear is based on what my constituents tell me on the telephone what happened what the press said happened I don't know what happened and we haven't done anything to investigate that yet so I'd urge you that we can I would have loved to know this last week I spoke pretty loudly about that that we can move forward but trivialization to me seems as if what we're doing right now that we're going to jump and move quickly just to get past it now we started the process we might as well finish it and go be thorough all the way through otherwise to me seems like we're gonna be sweeping something under the carpet and moving on quickly just for the sake of moving on quickly I would have loved been done we're not so let's go all the way go back into counsel have counsel direct ourselves to investigate pass that resolution so that this body is enacted to put people under oath to investigate it and we'll get the answers then we know it happened we all know the attack happened on the hallway but I wasn't to see it with my own eyes I don't know what was said exactly on both parties we can find out then we can truly see what kind of punishment if any is required so I urge you I want to move this forward but I'm also going to now vote against this motion instead I would urge you to support a motion that we do go back we go into council and we do authorize this committee to do a thorough full investigation now thank you all of the renflights the council will have that opportunity on Monday night this this resolution that either is passed or not passed will go back to the council it'll be up to the council on Monday night whether they want to move forward with the with the ethics board further to do what you're you're asking Alderman Manny I can give you just a minute or two and then all I need thank you to note how slippery the slope is if we pass this censure this evening then and if all the person Ryan votes and votes to censure there may be 60% of us who find that unethical and a breach of clear conscience in pursuing the public good we could then bring all the person Ryan and the question we don't want to do that it's a slippery slope therefore I would recommend all the person Ryan that you abstain all of them both very quickly very quickly and the the power of a deliberative body is that if 60% of the people think that the members think that that rises to that level and are compelled by their moral their morality to do that then it would be absolutely incumbent upon this body to entertain that and it is a slippery slope but it is the the the thinking that it would take 60% of the people to actually think that thought and if they do then they're compelled to do it and I think tonight a majority is going to feel compelled to act on the fact that we just have no reason to not believe that that didn't occur because the the member unfortunately has had every and just to address what Alderman Ryan flesh mentioned it for me it's not speculation it's not newspaper reports I spoke to Alderman Meyer after it happened we had a long 20 minute or so conversation and I asked her to help me realize why what was going on in public was wrong and and she was not able to do that so for me it's not about speculation it's about a one-on-one I don't know what who in this body has spent time actually talking to Alderman Ryan and talking to Alderman Meyer but I have so I can cast my vote with a very clear conscience tonight thank you sir yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna call the question because we're running up against the deadline here I wish we had another 20 minutes but we don't we have another meeting scheduled at 7 o'clock so I'm gonna call the question and ask turn off these lights and ask madam city clerk to call the roll on the motion and would you please restate the motion before the council members will please sure there's a motion on the floor by Alderman Gisha second by Alderman Balk to recommend to the council to file res 152 0708 which is on your agenda and to submit a document to council to censure Alderman Meyer and to remove her as chairperson of the committee of the whole and I vote would be to do that so everybody understand the motion all the person can also need clarification yes and that means that goes to council for voting on at that time yes this is a recommendation to council to draft a document to censure that would state to censure Alderman Meyer and to remove her as chairperson of the committee the whole that would come in the council on the 3rd of December and this would be a recommendation to also file the current existing resolution check me to go ahead go ahead call the roll thank you and I vote would be what we said about Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemay or no Rindflash excuse me thank you Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wangaman and Boren I the vote is eight eyes five nose and two abstentions motion carries motion to adjourn second we are adjourned thank you very much


GG. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh Shout out what? How am I trash? Hello and welcome back to the craft box. My name is Brent and today we are doing another quick match 1v1 Let's quickly go over our stats. We have 128 damage 51 resist across the board 29 accuracy 371 which is 18% critical 9% block 19 p.s. 21 incoming not that that really matters and 35% pip conversion 100% power pip 6,100 health and you can see everything else if I miss something. I mean here's our deck set up Not a hundred percent sure if this is kind of good. We probably don't need any of those in but we do it anyway I mean yeah, and then side deck is just kind of the norm just the use just the use well We got a couple of tower shields in there just in case but yeah, you never know it may not go too bad Hopefully we should be getting a match really soon really really soon Yeah, so I'm not sure if this is going to be coming up before or after the last Quick match 1v1 which I streamed if it is then Congrats, and if it isn't that's all unfortunate. Are we in one or two? What is our name nope? We're in two That's cute. We are in number two Yes, we are versing Luke don't know what he is, but we'll find out Summary there's no rankings yet. Oh, here we go So we're versing Luke hopefully not a dud at the moment because I mean duds are cool and all but you know I prefer to have like a first match. That's kind of good. Um, so yeah, we're ready to go Hopefully he accepts and we can all be he's accepted. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, it's very good Very very very nice Let's give him the the the flex at five seconds the flex Yeah, boy, you're gonna fight me. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I got you I got you So we go second of course we go second He looks very stormy. He has no pet That I can see I should know he does have a pet. It's just hard to see He's a stormy boy. So I mean I kind of want to dittle him and do this Even though I don't generally shield.  So we'll go for a shield just because we can that will be the only shield We do this whole match probably Just that was just in case he bugs next I suppose I want to go for a headless I kind of wanted to blade into a headless, but um, you know, I mean Mmm We're just gonna headless spam I suppose Just as well we didn't blade Not the best sort of thing, but it's fine. It's whatever really it's really whatever. We'll just tell us I really wanted to get some damages on I wanted a blade, but I mean we can blade up twice next and go for something bigger. So it's fine He has to get through that shield as well So that's unfortunate luckily we've got a lot of PS because it is obviously a quick match 1000 decent. He's nearly down to the same amount of health as I do. Okay Okay, that's not cool at all. I could check his stats. That's something I could do. You might do that in a sec The chances he shields are quite high so we're gonna do this Just so we keep him off guard just slightly we've got a shield up so we're fine Hopefully if he doesn't shield, we're gonna go for it next. We're gonna go for a kisman next or depending what he does now We might also go for a Lulu Probably the better option here. Okay, can we just hi chat that'd be great. Thanks 117 118 damage Another resist at all, which is good Yeah, we should be fine. We should be fine if we crit we're good I kind of want to go for a little if we get a Lulu will do it. Okay. We've got a kismas it say um sign It's a sign sign of kisma not even gonna pull more than once. There's no real point. I don't really care that there's one of these It's whatever really I'm just gonna go for it because this can still do a heck of a lot So any damage is good damage at this point And I've got a vampire that I can follow up with if I need some health Which I probably will need I would have preferred to Lulu probably just to get my health back to full Because he can probably destroy me next round unless this destroys him first Which it did a decent amount of damage So I'm proud of that that did basically all of my health that I have left.  Oh, he could die. He could die here. We could have our first gg of the of the yeah And if he doesn't we've still got full health so we're good He would have to go for an insane or something because I really doubt he would kill me he could possibly but 2600 I'm pretty sure he's dead So we'll hit him with the gg if we can guarantee he's dead. He's not dead gg. He's dead good work So that's our first match done. We won. I know scary, isn't it? We got a chain crack and statue. That's pretty cute Really cute there really really cute So yeah, I'll be back with the next match. Okay, we are back with the next match here. We go Yeah, so we won the first one here's the second one let's go we are versing Richard Thunder sword Obviously another storm by the looks of it. We're gonna give him the The flex right off the bat here for second flex boom Yeah, fight me Richard So battle orders we've got myth. Okay, that's interesting. We're gonna discard that I mean kind of want to use the stun block stun protectors great um Don't want him to do anything cheeky just in case just in case because I mean we're first we have kind of an advantage I will probably blade next into a headless possibly is what I'm thinking right now would be a great idea. Um This is only for semi protection stuff probably could have braced would have been a great idea take my um resist up to what like 70 percent I mean we've got another one I mean Sure, we'll blade next we'll blade next we'll go brace into blade into um Headless spam.  He's got slightly less health than me just slightly So this is going to be a very interesting fight. I think um, we'll see We'll see we'll see we'll see so here's a brace nice. We bracey boy boom boom And what is this a tower shield as well? Okay I'll stun block as if I was going to stun. I'd not that good um, we're going to take this opportunity to um Blade we don't need a reshuffle. We don't need a reshuffle. This is I mean, yeah I have this is my rank deck as well. So there's a couple spells. So I don't need in there. Um like reshuffle um But yeah, we've got eight minutes. So we should be good. We can do a blade into probably a headless is probably what I'm thinking Um, has he said anything? No, he hasn't. Okay, we should be good. He's just Did he pass? He must have passed because that went right down to the wire there Um, oh no, he did something right at the last minute interesting Okay, a blade interesting interesting 30 damage Um, what's the ps that I can't remember. I don't know what the ps is at. It is at 20. Um, we're gonna discard this to find a um Um, a headless Please please headless. Uh, I don't want to discard the ghoul We might have to just do the okay. There's there's a one. There's a one. Okay We're gonna do this right off the bat right now.  He's gonna hit me big. I know that for sure But this will do at least I'm gonna guess two to three k probably two But we'll see if I crit me. Okay three three. I'm guessing. I'm guessing three k Um, three or four more likely. Um, which we'll do. Okay, three k. That's fine. That's like half of health Half his health, which is great. This is mystic, of course It is luckily I can probably tank one of these as long as he doesn't crit If he crits it's probably gg um But I mean he didn't crit so that's fine. Hopefully our brace can come in handy here Um, we've got a ghoul which I might have discarded. I can't remember. Um Okay, we're fine. That only did a half of our health as well. So we're both down half health, which is great We're kind of even playing fields. He can't really do much. He can king up, but like Eh, we've got a shadow pip. Um I really hate doing this But it wins so I mean What can you do? What can you do? You know, what can you do? Um, and if not, we've got a ghoul to back it up next. Um, even though we've got so many pips we could do legitimately anything But I'll probably go just to get some health back because he won't have too much anyway Um, so yeah, I mean this is kind of gg. Sorry, bro. Um, I'm thinking I'm thinking this will kill Even without all of the Blades and whatnot and what we normally have it should still kill. So we're gonna hit him with the gg um Really well played. Oh, he blocked. It's still gg though. I'm pretty sure it's gg. Like I'm 99 percent sure that this is Yeah, okay gg. Um, so yeah Too flat. This is like the best we've done so far. I don't want to jinx this so like touch wood But um, I mean even just two wins. I'm gonna take that like, oh I'll happily take that. I'll happily take that even if we get like no wins left. I am definitely gonna take that Um, yeah, so I'll be back with the next match. Okay. I am back just in time for our next match We are going up against chris hex garden who is uh Suspect of the day. Um, we are currently sick. Well, it's number one But like second on the list. So that's pretty cool. Which is why we're up against chris is Quote on quote number one. So I mean this is like gonna be a win or lose situation um He isn't looks like he's deaf Don't want to like think too far ahead. So we're gonna give him the um the flex because it seems to be working I don't know if it's a flex or whatnot, but um chris hex garden. Hi.  Oh life wizard. Okay life from first. We don't need that then or that um Kind of want a shield right off the bat. I don't know why I just feel like a shield is probably useful Gonna discard that kind of want to just Like pop up a blade or a shield. We're gonna go for a poison instead. Just get that that damage on him We're gonna lose like nearly all of our pips But I mean a crit a crit poison Is definitely something that can't go wrong in this day and age That keeps off all of his shields. It's going to take his health down a significant chunk Um, is this a death shield? Nope. Okay. That's a faint. That's cute. That's really really really cute Um, like super duper cute. I don't know what the frick. He's trying to do with this but um Yeah, can we find I don't want to discard too many headless or stuff because Kind of good spells that don't like discarding. Um, this is like the worst we've done for pips in a while We're definitely gonna shield. I'm kind of worried about what he's going to do. I'm assuming a spiny um If I had an empower or something definitely would have used that right now that would have been like the ultimate move um, but I mean Yeah, 500 a round is definitely doing something like 400 is great Um, what is this stunned? Okay understandable. Have a nice day. He's going to go for like a spiny or something He's probably going to win. Um, but as I said in the last match, I don't care. I've won too. That's what I had to care about um So yeah, let's discard that. Um, we might blade into a headless. Oh wait, we're stunned anyway, so that's fine. Um We can discard this I think because he probably won't do that. We're going to blade into a headless um, or just headless who who knows he's I don't know what a strat is here. Kind of concerned about it. This is a shield. No a heal Okay a blade. Um, I mean Okay Okay, um Okay, then Uh, let's go. I should have not discarded that but that's fine. Let's go for a blade into a I'm assuming he's waiting for a shadow pip is what I'm assuming because he could have spinyed anytime now so Yeah, I'm gonna blade into a headless kind of go for more of a headless spam unless we get a kismar then we'll go for a kismar Um, because that's cool Kismar's a cool spell a shield. Okay. Um, that's whatever really I mean at this point Shield's not really a big dish issue big issue now. He doesn't have much resist So I mean if we wanted to we could do this, but I think that's what he wants us to do Um, I mean just 1000 of this is gonna do a lot So we're gonna do this We need to just get damage on him because he's got so much health Like we may be good with our health right now But here's a lot like here's a lot a lot of health and with one blade. He's slightly intimidating and by slightly I mean very intimidating um So yeah, no crit. Unfortunately, we crit the poison though. So can't ask for much more than that um Okay, 2008 decent damage there fantastic damage really love that. Okay loom Interesting that's getting off both the faint and the um, he's critting. Okay. That's not good Can we block nope? Okay, that's a jam Uh, this is gonna do a lot. This is gonna do a lot a lot a lot. Um, plus the weakness is not good. Luckily we hit last time Um, we've still got some pips, which is good. We might go for another headless just for fun Again just for fun fun. We headless um into a kismar maybe Or a lulu because we could lose. He's got a shad as well I mean at least we got our sheds at the same time We can't this won't kill this won't kill. But if he doesn't kill me I can hit I can kill next with the kismar Like that's what we can do next round. We can kismar as long as he doesn't do anything crazy this round Um, if he absorbs we'll do a lulu instead. Um, so like we should be good. We should be good. Hopefully Um, I'm really nervous because I've never done this. Well, like that nearly killed him just like that. Is this a heal? Okay, um, this puts up an absorb. Hopefully we live we may not We may not but if we do we can lulu and that should gg We can't do a kismar because this puts up an absorb but lulu gets through absorbs So, okay, he crit on us. That's upsetting Uh Good clutch. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. That's a gg right there Gg. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh Shot up what? How am I trash? He's salty because I clutch that's fine. It's whatever it's whatever. I don't think I played badly I think I played very well that round I think I did that really well. Um, he's just a bit mad, but that's fine um I mean Okay Well, there we go boys three and three and oh really really good. He's salty. That's cute. That's cute. Um, I mean, yeah, whatever He's very salty that we won that but I'll be back with the fourth and final match Okay, we are back with our last match final match here of the day Um, I'm still surprised that we won that last one. I was not expecting to do that Eric shadow bringer. He obviously won the last his last match as well. So congratulations to him Um, I'm pretty sure he looks kind of stormy, but I mean you never know You never know that was a very late flex, but I mean the flex is doing us well He's got a shadowpip. We've got a shadowpip. Everyone's got a shadowpip Um, he is a storm. Okay, so he's done really well for a storm not gonna lie um Kind of worried about that because of that. Um, if I could find a blade I don't really want to kismar right off the bat. I don't feel right doing that. I mean I could But I don't feel right doing that. Can we find a blade? Nope. Okay, we are going to do this I mean if he was gonna hit now would be the perfect opportunity for him to hit um So that's why I didn't shield I mean next round. He's probably gonna bugs or assault on me And I don't really care if he does that like I honestly don't care if we lose this fight because I mean at the end of the day we're winning three as a death is still Fantastic like we're coming second no matter what so yeah um either way Let's see how this does just get some early damage on him. 1000 is fantastic All you can ask for 1000 damage first round really really good still have five pips, which is fantastic Um, we're going to enchant the gulk just in case we are probably going to I kind of want a blade um 4000 health he's got a lot of pips. He's slightly intimidating I mean nothing really we can do if he's going to hit now would be his perfect opportunity to hit So we're going to blade and just go full offensive um Full offensive next round will go for a Um kismar probably probably the best opportunity there for a kismar even though he's got a shield I mean you saw there was only 11 left storm doesn't have a lot of resist so Sorry, hum, but it's just happening. You know, I've got two sheds. It's whatever but like I mean, this is the only shittest spell I've used so far If we die, he can definitely do assault and then do lots of damage and um Like I completely know that and I'm completely wide open for that reason. What is this a faint? I don't get why these people use faint. It's kind of weird like kind of weird not gonna lie. Um He's trying to one-shot me, but if this one shots him then that's fine He thinks he's safe because he's got a shield Um, but pierce is great and crits. Nope. Okay Like and crits are great as well, but no 16 percent pierce 16 percent resist left is fantastic. This is definitely doing a lot Um, yeah, that's nearly killed if I don't die Which I could very well do because this is a faint after all um I mean, yeah, this is our last shot effort right here This uh, lulu is the last shot effort if this kills good on him if this doesn't that's unfortunate um If we clutch, I mean fair enough and if we don't then no crits. So yeah Um gg boy gg gg well played Well played my dude. Yeah, that was I mean Yeah, nothing really could do about that. I could have shielded but like Whatever, I don't really care. I want to which is great Okay. Well gg Good work there Yeah Yes, so I will be back with the rewards. We are guaranteed second spot second place. Um, which is fantastic Um, so yeah, I'll be back in just a bit. Okay. I am Back. We have got the rewards. We came in second place second time ever. We've come second at something Um, like this, uh, let's go into Uh rankings. We'll see eric obviously won. He beat us fair and square very well Um salty life boy came fifth He's gonna be so upset about that one. Um, but yeah, he came fifth. Um serves him right for being salty Uh Wolf also came second with us. He bet chris. So I mean, I'm happy with wolf. Wolf was great And then all of the others congratulations to all of them for their places. Um, yeah, let's see what we get We get a silver trophy again second one of those venus fly trap 1000 tickets and a dny tc Absolutely tremendous. Um, that brings us up to 1600 tickets Which means we can go and get another participation trophy, which is why we do these participation trophies Yes, we do have the death revered weapon But we also need one for every other school because completionist crafter is a great thing that I decided to do Um, and I really dislike myself for deciding to do it, but that's fine Um, let's head over to the pit pavilion go and get another participation trophy and then we'll end off there That was really really good. Like I'm really impressed with how well we did There's obviously things I could have done better and I know that um, but I mean just for me Like I'm proud of what we did. I'm not really good at pvp and I never say I am so, you know, it's good Um, we can only Buh, can we buy one? Oh, we can buy two. Oh my gosh two in one day. That's crazy So, yeah, there is how many do we have now? Let's just quickly go over to this and oopsies wrong one um We have four or five. We need one more for another one. Um, which is cool So then we only need what like a lot more. I'll I'll do it later. It doesn't really matter Um, we'll just keep going. It doesn't matter until it seems like enough. Um, but yeah, anyway Thank you for watching and to what I can subscribe if you're very subscribed And press the wee little bell so you know exactly when I post another video and remember craft outside the box


Hey, what's going on guys? You're right. It's Mark and I thought I would make this video today just to kind of Share what I think and and you know what I have struggled with before and what I think are the top Kind of free common trading states that people make kind of as they're starting out Especially if you look kind of on with VTORO being quite social you can see what people are saying and posts and so on And again, this is stuff that I've experienced as well So I thought I would just share it with you and hopefully it You know hopefully it resonates with you and and maybe it helps you a little bit So the first one is You know just planning out your trades or not planning out your trades before you actually take them right? So I think what a lot of people do is they Just kind of log on and because it's so easy right all you need to do is click buy But and and you can open a trade and it's so so easy to just kind of impulse buy and sell any stock or any Kind of asset on here That it makes it tough to kind of actually sit down and plan out a trade So for example, what I like to do now and what has helped me And over the past couple of months is just kind of taking a look at the charts finding it finding a timeframe that you're comfortable with or just kind of a trading platform that you can Or strategy even sounds a bit corny but trading strategy that you can Get comfortable with just recognize the patterns right plan your trade out so I can see here obviously I set alerts for 6717 so I get kind of a lot on my phone once it goes off I'm not just kind of impulse buy like if it's here and oh, I think it's you know gonna go back up It's actually set an alert here be aware of Where it can go right so that I'm not I'm not sweating I'm not I'm not nervous because I'm aware that it can push down to kind of 66 70 I mean obviously it's got loads of all the way down here Which wouldn't be ideal, but I'm aware that even though it's got this common support here It can push all the way down to kind of these these levels Below here where it's seen previously on the EMA So just kind of plan that out be aware right so plan your buy point What potentially could happen right what would need to happen for you to end the trade right? So if it continues to trend down For me and then push me on this point. That's when I would look to get out the position and Then also have your kind of take profit in one so what needs to happen for you to want to sell the position, right? So for me, I will want to see a break above this EMA and Matthew potentially, you know push out RSI oversold And then kind of look relative to the price point so it will make sense, right? So potentially around this level could you consider seeing some resistance and and so and that's what I do with all of my trades, right? So plan out all of your trades So when are you gonna buy in when would you take profit? What would you expect to happen all in worst and best-case scenarios and when would you cut your losses? I think that was all I know so yeah, so that's that's kind of my my key points for planning a trade So I don't forget all right, so number two the the number two Or the second mistake that I see people making is if we just I haven't actually had a look Stop it's kind of trading against the trend of a stock So just to give you examples that Amazon looks pretty good I mean all the markets sold off towards the back end of last year, so it's gonna be tough to find a good example but For example here, right, especially on the so on the time frame that's relevant to you Why I would just wouldn't want to open a sell position here And I feel like a lot of people try and you know time the tops So they sell at the top and then try and buy at the bottom It's better to just kind of as I say have a plan Go with the trend of the market or if it's a horizontal trend, it's a bit easier and to kind of map it out but if the market is trending up look to Kind of buy with the market and find buying positions, right rather than sell positions if that makes sense, so That's one part of the reason why I never sell stocks from the most stocks is a lot of stocks I trend and I buy or trade a trending upwards. I like to buy with the trend so I'm trying to think of how I can orchestrate this right so for example here, so Amazon's kind of been trending up right and Even though we can see it's peaked out here and it's selling Well, in fact, no, I've got a better example PayPal So I just bought into PayPal and this is like a perfect example, so The trip there's a massive uptrend on PayPal here, right? Can you see how it's got and then it's pulling back and it's pushing up and it's pulling back I would never look to sell here even though on the RSI it's so overbought and the MACD It's overextended I would never want to sell here Just because of the pure fact that the market is trending up and I don't want to try and bet against the The market so if you have a look on the hourly time frame, which is what I traded against You can see it pulls back onto this SMA pulls back on to the SMA pulls back on to the SMA and then pull back So I'm looking For a position to buy because the market is trending up. Does that make sense? So that's why I bought in and you can see we're up here as well So the market pulled back. I'm looking for a reason to buy rights on this SMA. The markets trending up I've bought in we've pushed up. It's above this EMA And then I'll just wait for that to kind of them be extended, but I hope that makes sense, right? So just trade with the market and look for a reason to buy with the market Obviously don't buy at the peaks if you can see that it's overextended Then maybe just wait and wait for it to sell off and then look for a reason to buy so I hope I hope that makes sense Likewise if it's trending down, I just I don't like to do it with stocks just because you know It's everyone's working on a company to make it grow but Commodities Forex that sort of thing if it's trending down then look for the pattern and why you would you would sell that position? And then number three is Just trading position sizes are too big. So if I can show you here Can I show you? How much of my account I'm using I guess if I go on Hold on So I will never use and I've made a whole video about this But I'll never use one two percent of my account in one position It's kind of tough to see because this is all broke. Oh wait. Here we go So right if you have a look at the position sizes, you can see that are all like naught point nine percent It's less than one percent What about this? Yeah, you know less than one one or two percent I just won't open a single position more than two percent because what that lets me do is First of all, it doesn't blow my account, right? so, you know That's it. That's always a positive. So it gives me an opportunity to make mistakes, but still grow my account and also it Let's me kind of be less emotional more objective and Actually make sense of what's going on. So I can actually take a step back Look at the chart. Look at the patterns. Does this make sense to me to continue to hold or sell and it kind of goes hand-in-hand with making a plan for the trade And yeah, so it just lets you be a bit more objective if the money that you're going to lose or make doesn't Blow your mind if that makes sense and that also Goes hand-in-hand use that phrase twice With leverage and kind of using lower leverage. I'm still working that out with forex, but you can see with stocks it's all kind of times one maybe a few times two, but With forex, I'm still trying to work out kind of what leverage is uncomfortable with But yeah, so that's it. So that's my top three mistakes So number one, make sure you plan in your trades. Number two, don't trade against the trend of the stock or commodity or whatever it is Forex Try and trade with the trend but for reasons to buy and number three is Making sure that your trade sizes or the size of your trade It's something that you're comfortable with and if it all went then you'd be fine Which obviously isn't the goal, but it's just kind of helps you use less emotion and more logic So if that was helpful Then you know make sure you give the video a thumbs up if you want more videos like this make sure you subscribe If you have any mistakes that you've made that I haven't mentioned that you think are quite relevant Let me know in the comments wherever it be a Torah YouTube. I'll always get back to you I'm also quite interested to know What mistakes people or what what people have learned kind of from trading because everyone can learn from it, right? If you want to have a conversation with me You can always message me on at mark for an official on Instagram as well links to everything in the description Thanks watching guys, and I'll catch you another time


Damn What were you looking for the rend of your mask where to go it's in the bedroom cosplay Foreplay wait both role play both play. Yeah.  I'm Rick. You can also Instagram Twitter for juicy content Thank you to every sports and patreon fellas should have got subscribed Welcome back to our rend via reactions with a sprinkling of alia Alibot fanboy on Alibot fanboys all over the place And some Bollywood boot-lickin for the current Johar And cocaine sniffing yeah because it's Karen Johar that's right and Bollywood But the the trailer for Rocky or Ronnie haven't seen it yet, but I can already tell you I hate the chemistry between run viran alia You must be a Twitter comment Rock you're running care preem. Kahani. Whoa. Hey, wow Renvier alia dar mendra and Jaya and sir Shabana Shabana and Karen Johar is the director. We are very excited for this film. Yes We're excited all its Bollywood glory Unashamedly and all the beautiful chemistry that alia and renvier. I feel it's weird having to defend Really good actors who've already proven. They've had good chemistry, right? No need Yeah, it really is. It's it's just as we've said before It's just plain silly. It's just kind of strange to me. It is but yeah, it's just dropped I'm I'm waiting to make sure hopefully that it has subs That would be a bonus on it because if it's not it's 11 30 We're gonna react to it without the subs right much prefer to back much for the subs Somebody's gonna have to tell us what they said if they will pick up a few words like dill Zundagi doggie. We know that my daughter. Yes, we got that Ben showed we've got those Yeah, we got right up here in the hopper. We got those and Kiowa Kiowa, and they're constantly asking what's going on or um Kiowa Meaning What love mutt love. Yeah mutt love What do you mean? What do you mean by that?  We're just gonna dive in. Yeah, and Hopefully we'll see and if they don't well then it doesn't and Okay, so yeah, we found it on YouTube not subbed found it on Twitter. It's subbed. Ah lovely Weird why why weird couldn't tell you couldn't tell you at all, but that's what we're going with here. We go Oh I love it that I know they can take it easy but I'm not so bright. Yeah, all natural To you The first one is the challenge to put the Google cheetahs in the party and I mean, I'm a rocky run down But oh yeah But that's the question. This could have been on the phone as well. But how did you get the check-out? I broke it. Hi Junkka, hi Junkka, hi Junkka, hi Junkka. What Junkka? It's a good thing. I'll get the mandav. The girl is coming. Come here. Hold your horses. This is the problem. Our family is very different. Rishita's steering wheel should be in her hand. That seat is driving the family. The wind. I'll come and stay with your family. You'll come with my family. Random things suggest that you'll come with my family. I'm a god. Genius. You'll come with my family and I'll be with you. If she gets married, she'll get married in the next 50 years. Sage. Rishita, Rishita, Rishita, Rishita, Rishita. Hey! You're three women are not two women. I know. Two percent voting. Voting is our national duty as citizens. I didn't stop voting. I thought you should stop voting. What's the use of Shamita? Shamita? Shamita? Which constituency is she from? Big boss. That's going to be an epic song. Class, education. How can you even think about getting married to that boy? I can't see the status of their love story. My name is Dhanlakshmi. I'm Kaila. You're right. They're very important. No matter how hard you try, the difference between us will never end. The difference will never end. Rishita's relationship is over. I was asking about aunty Kapoor. Laundry? Laundry.   I'll be back. You're wrong. Aunty, you're wrong. What I expected. I saw the lollipop in the wrapper and I unwrapped it, tasted it, and that's what I thought it would be. That's what I wanted. Yep. I just had a smile on my face the whole time. Yeah. Hold on, I have to say the screen. It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. Lots of silliness, funny. They're essentially doing a freaky Friday. Sort of. A switch. Yeah, not really a freaky Friday. Not like a family switch. Isn't there a show that did that? You live with my family. I'll live with your family. Isn't there a show that did that? Wife swap. Wife swap, man. Back in the day. That was a weird concept. Very strange concept. Very strange concept. If you can handle my family. Right. In Indian culture? Yeah. That's probably not the worst strategy in the world, I said. No, since marriage is families. Yes. Yeah. And having two very different cultures. Right. Which is why I think a lot of people are thrown off by how Ranveer is dressed in this. Like he's extremely over the top. You haven't seen the film. It's the character in the film. First of all, it's the character in the film. It's scripted.  Even if it may hit close to home to the kind of outlander stuff he wears, it's not Ranveer and Alia. It's Rocky. Rocky's the character name. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like it's going to be massive. That song, the red song. Yeah, the red song. It looks like it's going to be massive. Yeah. I think there's seven to, I think they said, how many songs did they say? I thought seven. Seven? Because I think there was seven in Animal is what they saw. Oh, well, I remember the number seven. I thought it was for this. Seven. I also would point out and I'm just seeing what I observed not being biased. I absolutely saw chemistry. So there you go.  It is because it's too obvious. I mean it was there. And the comedy's going to be fun. It's going to be witty. It's going to be quick.  And she's clearly intelligent. I like the West Bengal line. Yeah. I'm just going to have to take Andrani to get all the big lines. Yeah. Well, at least I knew that one. I think everybody in India, but him knows that one. Yeah. It looks like it's going to be like a lot of drama. It's very disnified, which is what I would expect from a Karen Johar film in terms of it. And then the little thing with him, the dad, I think it's the dad crying. Don't do anything to break up the family. It's going to have heart. Yeah. It's a Karen Johar. They're going to have a struggle. They're going to possibly not be together. You're going to root for them. You're going to be mad at them. You're going to laugh. You're going to cry. And also, even though it's like a bubblegum pop kind of film, the acting actually looked... If you've actually put it in any other Karen Johar film, it's the best acting you've ever seen in a Karen Johar film. Yeah, it actually is. It's pretty straightforward acting there by Aaliyah and Ranveer. Because it's more recent acting. The stuff we've seen in Karen Johar is more around the 90s and the style of the time. I am looking forward to musical scoring, including whistles and weird sounds to accentuate the comedic lines. I am looking forward to that. I have heard rumors of different cameos. Good. There's nothing been confirmed, but some people think that Shahrukh Khan and Khajul might make an appearance. Come on. It would be amazing. It would be glorious. Who knows what's going to happen, obviously, in this one. I'm expecting two hours 45. Minimum runtime. Yes. Or something like that. Minimum runtime. This looks like it's going to be a ball, man. In terms of just... As it's built. It's the entertainer of the year. You're going to go for entertainment valent. Give me the heart. Give me the funny... That was great. Ranveer has really good comedic timing. Yes, he does. Underrated. He is. I know some people just hate him and they don't like to hear it, but he's a really good actor. I think people think that we also put him in the echelon of the Nawaz as the Pankaj, which I don't. Very few are in that realm. KK men and... You don't have to be a good actor. No. Those are the best of the best. You can't be like, he's not Kamal Hassan. It'd be like saying, oh, Kreeti isn't Radhika. No, but Kreeti's great. So please, stop it. Oh, you could be like, Radhika's not Taboo. Right. To some people. Right. It's like... Not to me. Stop. He does caliber work and underrated in the comedy. And obviously, Alia does as well. Yes, of course. I feel like they both have proven themselves. One. As actors. Two. As to have chemistry already. Agreed. It's weird having to defend that. Yeah. Anyways, it looks like a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. We will be, once again, first day of her show. We will be going. I'm very happy because I would have been very sad if it was lackluster and I was sitting here saying, I'm very, like I said, I see the lollipop. I've unwrapped it. I've tasted it. And it's what I was looking for. Yep. So I'm excited. Anyways, let us know what you thought about the trailer if you were excited down below.


When judging dairy heifers, it is done a little differently due to they're not being utter present. So instead, we look at frame, feet and legs, dairy character, and body capacity. The traits have different percentages depending on the weight of importance that is placed on them. If a judge is looking at a heifer, they should start with frame and move down the list. Depending on the quality of the trait, the heifer will increase or decrease in value. Frame has many different characteristics that make up a dairy heifer. When focusing on frame, a judge should look at backline, stature and front end. The backline should be long and level with a wide loin, long rump and pin bones being slightly lower than the hip bones. Cow A has a stronger backline than cow B. A heifer stature should be tall, consider it to their age. The height at their withers should be similar to their hips. Cow A has a straighter and stronger stature than cow B. Lastly, the front end should have a wide and deep chest. Shoulder blades should blend smoothly from the neck and into the body. Cow A has a better powerful front end than cow B. A dairy heifer's feet should have a steep angle and a deep heel with short, well-rounded closed toes. Their rear legs from the rear view should be straight, wide apart and feet squarely placed. When looking at rear legs from the side view, there should be a slight angle at the hawks. The pasterns should look short and strong with some flexibility. Dairy character for a heifer consists of multiple characteristics. These are angularity, sharpness, openness and cleanness. Sharpness comes from the withers expressing the vertebrae and chine being defined clearly. Openness refers to the heifer's rib cage. A judge wants to see long, flat ribs with width between each rib. Cleanness goes back to the quality of the cattle's bone structure and coat. A heifer should be smoothly made with no coarseness to its image. Body capacity for a dairy heifer should be relative to the heifer's age. A judge should look at body depth, length and width showing a round rib cage increasing towards the rear. Also, the body capacity needs to portray a wide chest floor and open fore ribs. All of these characteristics, frame, feet and legs, dairy character and body capacity are important for a heifer to have so it can hold a healthy, growing calf and to have enough room to digest large amounts of forage and to move around with ease. Thank you for watching. Be sure to check out our other livestock judging videos as well as the Alabama Cooperative Extension YouTube channel.