The following is a presentation of TFNN. The Tiger Technician Hour with your host, Basil Chapman. Call now. Call free at 1-877-927-6648. On one, Basil Chapman, Tiger Technicians Hour,<PHONE_NUMBER>. Love to hear from you. Dow is down. This is the 16th of February, Wednesday. Dow is down. 197 points at 34,789. I would say we've got three hours from here. Three hours would take us to, yep, three hours to start to see some solidifying of this weakness and some attempt at getting back to the 34,880 level. It's about 80 points up from here and then slowly into the close, close towards the upper part of the range. If I am going to be looking at this H pattern that goes to an M pattern right here in play, why? Because you don't want to waste time hanging out below the previous days high. In this case, it's at the resistance level, the 34,984 level, that's 200 points up from here is resistance at the 9 period exponential moving average, then you get the 14 above that, they haven't crossed positive, they're still negative. So a lot has to happen. The MACD is kind of okay, tad weak, but flat, that's okay. Stochastic is very weak at 51%, on balance volume is very weak. So there aren't any signs here other than the 200 period moving average, which I spent some time yesterday talking about, that is key support and that is at 34,900.  You want by the end of the day to be closer to the highs, Thursday you want to see a rally and Friday options expiration instead of being down sharply, you want a sudden, I don't know what the news could be, but you want a sudden up move, and the pattern that we're looking at here is at the rectangle formation with the trading band of the low of 43.64, that was a low of the 14th to the high of 45, 95, way back in the beginning of February, that's actually a little higher than that, I'm going to actually lower this for now because there's a lot of work to be done. So right there to 45, let's call it 4,600, that's the trading band, I don't know if we can even get towards the 9 period moving average, I'm sorry, the 14 period moving average of 4,500. So let's just see what happens here on a very short-term basis, now let's go to the QQQ123, NDX100, miserable action, miserable chart, we've seen so many of these charts, look at this, oh you can go anywhere, let's go to docusyne, always go to docusyne, peak A, peak B, peak C, and it's struggling, but look at the move down from 314 back in August of 2021 to the low that was made just recently at about 108,109, that is a whopping move for docusyne, electronic signing, let's face it, there's more and more electronic signing, but it's not being reflective and that has to do with profits, it has to do with a whole bunch of things and it's just not there and this kind of matches what we're looking at in the NDX, look you've got, what was it, Microsoft was mentioned earlier in the day, look at that chart, there's a dreaded H pattern, maybe it makes an arch formation for a lowercase H, there goes to a lowercase M, another little arch formation, but the tendency now is to look at it and say wow, the monthly chart, there's nothing positive in the weekly chart, monthly chart made a peak D four months ago and with a dogey candle high at about, what was it, I think I typed in in G49.67 on the 22nd of November and we've already been down to 276, this is telling us historically, looking back historically means a minute ago is history right, it's saying that up until now the huge favorites have been out of whack and that wasn't what I said to my subscribers this morning to my opening call, try to explain how DOW, this is Dow, not the Dow Jones, whoops, something in the wrong place, let's just type it in over here, hello, hello, hello, there it is, explain to me how DOW, Dow Chemical, is up in the sense of 60 to 66 way off its most recent, now the 24th at 54 and it's leading in the, Leg B in the weekly chart, explain to me why General Electric, the old General Electric made a new recovery high today of 101.91 after being at 88, I mean 88, that's 12 points, that's a pretty decent acceleration in the market like this, explain to me why X, US Steel, just made a leg D after being at 18, it hit 25.52 today, do you understand what I'm saying, I'm saying there's an old economy that lagged, there's an old economy that has become a leader, there is an old economy that was winning, that was the tech sector and now that is the relatively old economy that's lagging and you've got to be in touch with a sense of rotational corrections, that's really important, look at this, this is DuPont, chemicals, I mean we're in completely different areas, holding very well, near it's all time 85.16 or somewhere around 85 is all time high, it's at 81.78, all I can say and look at ARK, this represents perfectly the old brand new economy, the brand new economy that's now become the old economy, ARK Innovation ETF struggling, I think it's an ever spectacular rally at some point but does it come back down enough to say oh it comes back to where it was just a week ago in the 78s because it went down in the 50s, I don't know what I'm saying is you've got to have your eye on a different prize and look at Disney, Disney is going to be telling us about coming back to normality but it has media, for subscribers we have a particular stock that I don't think has the whole media conglomerate background, it is really just the entertainment theme parks and I don't want to talk, I'm just saying so far it's only a fact today it's up almost one percent and the general market is down so this is what I want to look at I want to say try to think you have to be not bifurcated but trifurcated or more quadrificated, you have to be thinking of what's going to happen after this, what's happening now, what's happening with the impact of crude and yes we've got the whole non-configuration going on in the Ukraine but whatever you hear divide in half and then divide it again on both sides, why? The game's been played but crude is telling us you've got to respect what's going on, gold is telling us you've got to respect what's going on because this is what I call the fear factor it's really important it's holding the other recent highs but it's way below the 2100 level that it was at back in 2020 so it's in a in a shorter term trend if you look at bitcoin, look at bitcoin, bitcoin's kind of struggling here I think it's kind of in play but it's in play for sudden big moves and then you've got to get out so we're looking at a market I'll do the fix right now I haven't even touched on bonds we'll get there as soon as I return and then I have I have a question yesterday about double cups and double bottoms and all on so that when I I'll be back that was $190. Are you looking for a way to consistently add winning trades to your portfolio? Tom O'Brien is here to help. 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Look at this. I guess they split at some point because I've got all my notations right here. Isn't that funny? I haven't seen this ever before. It's all at the point where there was the split. And here's where I had my buy signal in the chat wave. It went to peak ABCDE. Remember E's where we are D and E's where you get real careful.  It goes to 1,000. I don't know what the prices were because it got reconfigured.  And then it has the same kind of roadway to the top. It's actually a right arm extension. I'll talk about that. I've got a bunch of charts I wanted to show earlier on. And then it comes down from the level. The high that was made way back in, I don't know what the split was, was 15, 14.97. This is called, this is for arguments I call it, 1500. So whatever the split, let's just say it was a 10 to 100. I don't know what it was. And then it came down to the low of I wrote in 66 using the same price information that I have. So that is just an incredible decline, right? And now we've got a peak. This is the monthly chart. Peak A fails, comes back. I mean, it makes a lower peak A. And then it goes, Pete, let me make this smaller so you know what I'm talking about. And what I wanted to say is twice, I forgot to say it and I was talking about it, is that sometimes there's an initial move to the upside that pulls back. And then there's a strange right arm that I've seen it many times in the oil service sector.  But all that's happening is that once it starts from its low, it kind of morphs into a more powerful media. Now, it's going to be powerful because we have a big economic recovery. And therefore there's more demand for oil. Or is it because there's going to be this tension that is building up to say, wait a minute, we gave up being oil independent. We threw it away. In one day there was a signing and this threw it away. I don't care whether you have a political aspect to it. I'm just saying that's what we did. You can't argue that that's what we did. And since then, there's been this incredible rise in prices. And now we're looking at the oil service gain from round number 66. I wonder if that's still acting. Yeah, 66 round number low March of 2020. And it's in a leg D. And then I've got the bigger rectangle formation that I usually use. And that takes you to right there on the 31st of January 2020. That was 275.60. That's another 24 points from yet another 10% higher. So that's I'm saying for me, thank you very much for just asking me to show the chart in the in the den. Yes, this is very important. And I've got a potential to have an instant restart. This could be F slash B, Maggie's strongest, the casting is five percent, 85% on balance once you just be a little careful. It's hand over board. Watching this very closely. Yes. So this is the oil service. Now oil service is not going to do this unless oil itself is going to be on a tear to the upside. So I just want to mention that I was brought to my mentor to my notice. We had an oil stock and all service stock, we got out of it. And for profit, but never got back in. And even that is moving significantly higher. So there are areas to be in. And any serious pullback now says in 2022, keep your eye on oil, the whole oil patch. All right, next question I have was, could I look at MRO? No, I don't want to look at MRO, marathon oil. That's the one we had. Ugh, pain. Yeah, it's at 21.41. I mean, not bad. We had it at 17.30. We took profits in it, and we just never got back in. Never got back in. And it went to 22s. I must say, on a shorter term perspective, all the charts that I'm looking at, I can go to CVX. Look, CVX made it a double top of 139.43. Five days later, it went to 139.44. And now it's pullback. I think that it's just in a, there is a short term digestive phase. If you're in the long term positions, I have no qualms, but on a shorter term, I think we are seeing some kind of diminution in the strength that I'm looking at on a technical basis just at the moment. It might change, but at this particular point, so I do see some kind of a pullback. Now, I needed to get to the TLT, because that completes all my initial perspectives that I wanted to give, couldn't rally to the day and hold it. It was up at the 136.07 level. I said, 135.46. Yesterday made a new low, what do we call it, an unrecovered low, not a recovery high, but there's an unrecovered low of 134.98. Let's just change that. I keep every, every day after, seems like I have to change that 134.98. Wow. All I can say is, how can the Fed ignore good economic news to the extent that they say, we still want to support pumping money into the market via bonds? I think they're going to have to find another way to do it. That's just the way it's looking right now, because look at the TBT. TBT is not giving back anything. It went to a peak E yesterday. Now, I mentioned this, that the TLT went to a lower low, but when I was on the show, the TBT, which is the ultra-short Lehman 20th Treasury Bond ETF, hadn't. Now it has. It's gone to a peak E if there's no new high today, and that 1998 level of four days ago, four sessions, now we're looking at 20.07. So I'll put that in 20.07. Now, before I run out of time, and I forget, there was a question yesterday. I took about these double tops. I took about round numbers, etc. What about double bottoms? So I found one this morning, did I actually write it down? Yeah, yeah. Speed overlapping. Oh, no. Oh, no. What was I looking at? I'll have to go through them all. I wrote down a whole bunch of things that I just want to, I had questions about the Chalmers methodology. I thought today would be a good day to answer them. Let me do that now. So I'm just going to go from the rogue wave. There's a difference between a rogue wave and a right arm extension. Anyone who had my, oh, and there were questions about, I mentioned, I showed my CD book introducing the Chalmers methodology. I'm going to figure something out. There are a lot of people that see, you know, we might have a CD, but there's no vocal. It's just, it's all written down. I'll do a little bit on it tomorrow. But what I wanted to say is that I didn't do much reprinting because, I mean, not many people have a CD plays in either, but enough people have asked me, I'll have to think about it. Let me see what I can do. So CC's Chalmers company trading at 3141, look at that view to the upside. Are you having fun trading the markets, but having trouble finding like-minded individuals to discuss your trading and investment ideas with? Become an apex predator in the trading markets and join the Tiger's Den trading room only at tfnn.com. 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I had one question come in a little earlier and one question that I was going to get to on the same issue, which is Airbnb trading at $185.60 up $560. And the question was, in fact, both of the questions were, what should I do in terms of protecting gains or profits? And what I would say is this, look, this is Airbnb apartment rental service. This is part of the new economy going into the next six to eight months. So I like it. I like it very. I love the fact that it was up huge and then it got a big pullback overnight. And then it actually opened down from the close yesterday at 178 round number low today. And now it's trading at $185, 15 points higher. Oh, sorry, not 15.7 points higher. And to me, that's just a really good sign. So what I said was a question on Airbnb taking profits. In case I run out of time, I said, rather raise stock on a portion using a trading stock and is a big part of the recovery sector. And I just make it as simple as possible. You're in one of the few winning stocks in the upside of 3.17%. It could fail by the end of the day, but that's it. I wouldn't push my luck in terms of trading. This is more, if you've got a core position, you're somehow able over the next couple of weeks, two to three weeks of kind of hair raising ups and downs that we're going to see. If this holds well, if this can hold all the way through February into the first week of March and not once take out $155, $160 to $155 support, that'll be a big deal. I just cheated there's something now. Thank you, Ruby. EIA crude oil inventories for the current week. 1.1 to 1 million versus 1 minus 1.57 million estimate. Was that a dash or is that a minus? Well, all I can say is I'm going to look and see what crude oil is doing here. Let's look at the USO because that moves much quicker than my continuous crude oil chart. Peak E in the USO, that is the United States Oil Fund. It's up $1.22 right now. I might be delayed. Someone tell me if I'm delayed, but this is holding really well. So all I can say is that whatever the report was, only look at the results and the early results you can't go with. You have to wait about 20 to 30 minutes, but if crude oil is still holding at $65.43 right now, if it's still holding, I would even say if it pulls back, but by noon today, by midday, eastern time, it's kind of come back to the 65.40s. That's really good action. But on a very short basis, even here, there's a chance that you could see some kind of a pullback, but it is acting extremely well. Then a question came in. Hey, yeah, yeah. I've moved away so many spots. Let me go back to the question that I was starting with. Where was it? Oh, Devin Energy. Devin Energy is trading at a new recovery high. I can't believe it for subscribers. I had drawn this in. I did everything. I would have bought it. No, they might have bought it, but I didn't buy it. Look at this beautiful buy made from $3.64 in March of 2020 to $55 right now. In Leg D, it did this cup formation with a beautiful left side, right side price time match. It's gone much higher. Of course, if you look at it on a very long-term basis, Devin Energy once was up in the, I remember this well, Tom and I, we used to joke about these oil service stocks, just screaming. These together in 2008 went with the homebuilters, Toll, Lunar, Toll Brothers Lunar, Beezer Homes, etc. They were just, everything was on fire. Then of course when you came down, you came down a little bit here in 2008, but it was once in the 120s. So if you're looking historically, just be careful because it's broken all the resistances and the next level of resistance, I'm just going candle by candle will be the high of the July of 2015, 58.74. Devin Energy oil service. Okay, next question was, I hope I'm getting all the questions here. Yeah, there's a Devin. Yep, we did that question about yesterday, the world's top oil producer. Is that remains or remained or is that history or is that current? Are we still the top oil producer? I don't know. I don't know. Okay, so that was, this is another Chapman Wave technique. So I had to peak F and then I had a G and then I should have put the G slash B because the nine period moving was holding so on the daily because we made a new high today. The candidate is never an H in the Chapman Wave methodology. This is a C. So it's very positive short term, medium term has gone to a G slash B. Once again, I've had an alternate count, but the tactic was all very good. What is this saying about energy? All right, let's get back to what I was talking about before. So let me just go through the CC. I just want to show you something. A lot of people use Chapman Wave methodology. So you see this double top and you see the way it was made. You see there's a cup formation. This is the 200 period moving average. Anybody deny that 200 period moving average is a joke? It is very serious stuff. You don't need it until you need it. And then look what happened. Now we're testing again. So you see this move, when it was down here and the MACD was negative, the stochastic was negative, the 9-pead was under the 14. There was a rally. But a rogue wave usually goes really quickly. It's often you're in a negative position. Everything says, yep, you're right to be short. And then out of the blue, there's a sudden spike. You get it at 8.30 in the morning and the future is often where there's a sudden spike on news. And then it gives it all up and makes it uppercase A, Eiffel Tower straight up, straight down pattern. Well, that's what happened. So it broke the previous side of 36.69 on the 13th of January, ran to the high of 36.97, just a little bit high, less than a dollar, and then failed. It gapped down. That must have been news, earnings news, and then bam, gapped down. So this is not, this looks like a rogue wave, but it's that pattern that I call, you know, in the den, you've got the little thing with raising the hand, like we used to do as kids, when we want to leave the room to go to the bathroom, we'd raise our hand. It's the same thing. So this is a work of art because it had a peak A peak, great peak B, and then ran to what could be a GSAS-C and then failed. That's different to the rogue wave itself. But here in the weekly chart, that's the rogue wave. It's coming down peak C and it fails, it actes, everything's negative, and then it has a single pop. And the bar that makes the high is the bar that actually goes back to below where you were moments ago. So this is a right arm extension, the data of CC, the Chimouan's company, Teflon, fluoro polymers, etc. And then the weekly chart has the proper rogue wave in the chat wave methodology. Next thing I want to do, right on extensions. Talking about speed, unbelievable. Look at this. This is a weekly chart. The CME went from a low in the 180s, it goes rally, rally. So remember this is called the floating matter until you make a peak. So that's a peak A and it goes from a low of the week of the 24th of September at 180 to 254. Then it goes peak A all the way into November, the week of the 5th at 2764. Two days of consolidation. Boom! It makes a slightly new high, peak B. One day of consolidation, it makes a C. Two days of consolidation, three weeks of consolidation makes a D. Two weeks of consolidation, third week it goes to E. Two weeks and the third week it goes to F and now it's pulling back. Chicago-American Tide Exchange. Perfect example of a very quick peak A to B to C to D to E. Yeah. All right, I'll be back and now I hope I'm getting to the first overlap and say, oh, I fell in there. It's the fight is the one. Yep, I'm in. 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I wanted one that turned in from an arch formation into a beautiful cup formation. That's really the pattern that you want. That's a great pattern, especially if there's a round number or something like that at the bottom. So we were watching this, but Nike is still holding off the bottom, but this is not the one that I wanted. Okay, so let's get back to other questions that I had. So the question was an overlapping wave. What is this? You talk about an overlapping wave. And if I can read my own handwriting here, overlapping wave. No, don't tell me I didn't write that clearly enough. Come on. O2D. Oh, this is the one that I was looking at. FLMN. FLMN. Was it FLMN? Yes. So here's an overlapping wave. What happens is there's a peak C that's made from a low, a beautiful doji low at 4.26 on the 20th of December. And it runs peak A, pulls back, little cup formation, peak B, cup formation goes to a C, and then it stalls at $5.40. What am I hitting here? Something. Oh, $5.49. And then it pulls back sharp. It goes under, it holds the 200-period moving average, balances, then goes under it and then goes right back. It just doesn't want that 200-period, like a hot wire. It's just running off it. But what does it do underneath? I didn't change the color. It goes gray A, gray B, and then gray C, which is under the $5.49 high of somewhere in the middle of January. And then you get your overlapping wave. So I wrote in here, chapwave, overlapping wave, usually goes through at least a D. And chapwave, cup and ladle. Not the cup and handle. I don't like those at all. Oh, I can use them. I just don't like them. They fail most of the time because that handle, you never know when it's coming out of the handle. And then what happens is usually it goes above the handle and then comes back. Whereas the chapwave, cup and ladle can go to at least a D. And yes, it could come back, but that D is telling you that you haven't had to have any handle. You just broke out before D on the left side. And that's important. So you get both the overlapping wave and you get the cup and ladle. Once you get the ladle at D, you can pull back. And very often it is both overlapping wave and the cup and ladle. You can come back and retest the previous sign. In this case, the 12th of January, or $5.00. And did I write that correctly? 49 cents. And now we're trading a $5.62, a nice rally coming off. What the heck? Falcon Minerals Corporation. F-L-M-N-M for mother. And $5.62 up 14 cents up 2.47% today, trying to get back into that D. So that's what I wanted to show you. But I cannot find, for the life of me, what happened to that double bottom, which is a perfect example. I might find it, but I don't have it right now. So, okay. A lot of other questions have come in. Let me just check on the left side and the right side. Okay. So question about shop. Shop is Shopify, Inc., online store for individuals to use as practice. Now, I have to tell you, there have been interviews that I've heard periodically with Kramer where the CEO is talking about the company in such glowing terms. They're not talking to buy the stock or anything like that. Or one guy, I think the Roblox guy did actually say, oh, I don't think it's a bargain. But most of the time, they're looking at the company. I've had this belief forever and it's been proven so many times that CEOs are often the last to really know what's going on. It's like Board of Trustees. Anybody know Board of Trustees? I don't think the last ones to know. Companies fold institutions to all the wrong things and they say, we didn't know. Well, that's the same thing. So Shopify goes from 1762.92 in November of 2021. And I would say that if you're looking at it right now, it's $728 it is more than cut in half. And it gave you clues to that earlier on. But it didn't say it would smash this level. I mean, we've got a monthly sell mode. So a major turnaround has to happen. Look, Roblox, the same thing. This is the RBLX. Same thing. Look, we might get a double bottom. We went to a peak B and then a peak C. It stuck. I was asked about it about a week or so ago. I said, no, it's just stuck. Well, today's down 17 and 55, down 24%. And I'm just afraid of this gaming platform. When I heard this guy, it sounded like virtually every single thing that's being made electronically in the world has to use this technology, the gaming platform, game creation systems. In fact, I don't know if I wrote it down. Sometimes if I do have the time and I'm busy working in the other room, and I have the TV on and I'm listening to an interview or something, I just type it in. I type it in, then I put it into background so that I can always click it to see what they were saying. And sometimes it's over here. I remember, I did that in GE with when there was an interview of, I don't want to mention his name, he doesn't deserve mentioning, being interviewed with Welsh and the two were together. And he was saying, oh, you did a great job. I'm hoping I'm going to capitalize on this. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. I'm bragging, bragging, bragging. And it was like within a few percentage of the all time high of GE. So, you know, this is the same as the politics that's going on. Now, just divide in half and then divide in half again. Do your own homework and figure out what's going on if you can even get that information. So let's go on. Question came up here. So you said you were worried about the bonds. So could you show us the bond chart? Well, I will. TNX.X, there we go. Yeah. So we're looking at the 10-year treasury bond note, the treasury note that going, it's a 20.36, 2.36, 2.036. In a way, I'm not going to say it looks like the energy sector, but all I can say is that legs see breakout in the week. You remember what I just did? There was a chart that I said I'm going to raise the rectangle. Well, the rectangle, it's gone above the rectangle high of November of 2019, 19.71. So that just says you're now in territory that says you kind of, it's kind of open to the next peak. So we have to look at the candles. So I'm just going to make it as clear as I can. July of 2019, the high was 21.48, 2.148, and the low was 19.43. That area between the 19s and the 21s, that is going to be so significant for the, for a lot of things, most probably significant for the general market itself. So with that said, now, how do you put this together by saying you can be long some areas, but essentially you've also got to be short some areas? Well, it's that, that sector rotation that I always talk about. 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We're back. It's us Lawrence folks cats and we got a whole full house today. We do we do Hopefully they'll make an appearance. I Yeah, if you bring the cats on I'm gonna get my dog. So we'll see I Like it. Anyway, welcome back everybody to our little ongoing series Oh, I got to tell you a fire nice story.   So welcome to our show and Joining me as always on this side is lauren rosin lmft License marriage family therapist from the great state of california. Welcome back. Thank you And if you're joining from my end of things, oh, no, it's not you mirrored it man You fooled me. I was so excited that I was on it That is drew lincellata the anxious truth the dot anxious dot truth on instagram. Go check him out Yeah, thank you. So today we're gonna do something a little different We're gonna talk about what to do. This was lauren's idea. By the way, she gets full credit for an excellent idea What do you do when you get triggered? like Yeah Yeah, like down there and you let the flames envelope you. No, I'm just kidding um Yeah, a little bit. I'm not a huge fan of that trigger. I mean look triggers are real I'm not saying they're not real, but I'm always if I'm always wary of the term trigger Because usually in online circles, it's used as an avoidance term like uh trigger warning This might trigger you can't get triggered. So that's such a good point. I actually uh Kelly frankie and I were on kevin foss's podcast fearcast talking about just that the the problem with trigger warnings and that It makes it seem like there's something Wrong with being triggered, which Is not true. Actually, it's a very it's actually I posted out this just this weekend. It's a great sign It's a great sign of your triggered. It means that you are out and that you are living your life and Yeah, correct and a trigger is just an opportunity to practice in the end. So absolutely Yeah, the trigger better Okay, so let's talk about it. How do you practice so that the question would be like okay now you get triggered You were hoping not to be of course somebody wants to get triggered, but you do your anxiety is triggered. What do we do? so Yeah, so and we were talking about in the context Going into some examples and like in the context of agoraphobia um, you brought up an excellent example of You know, you're sitting minding your own business when you get a call and there's a meeting that you have to go to and and And all of a sudden it's like, oh Yeah, oh no, I'm triggered. Yeah full blonde. Okay, we could use that. We were talking about okay We'll try and give a specific example. So we'll talk to agoraphobia. That was that was definitely my issue and so typically for me it would be Wake up in the morning and this is before I was actually Getting better and doing what I had to do and my life was just full avoidance It would be like let's just keep our fingers and toes crossed today that nothing comes up That will force me to do scary things So I lived in constant fear that the phone would ring or something. I was in the technology business I mean, I still am but you know a little more hardcore at the time My data center was full of servers and racks and racks and racks of servers and those things would go down because it happened sometimes Oh my god, please there let there not be a problem at the data center Please let me not have to go three miles away to my office. Please. Let me not have to whatever So typically that's how I would start today hoping that I would be able to get through it without having to do anything scary but sometimes That wasn't that didn't happen that way and the phone might ring. It's on the ring. Yeah One would ring or an email would come in or I would get a text message from the network monitoring system It's telling me that there's a problem of some kind and that that problem required my in-person interaction Couldn't do remotely couldn't do it on the phone. There was no zoom. There was no zoom at the time. So Yeah, had to do had to do it. So that was a trigger for sure. Yeah, so What when that happened for you I can imagine that a lot of thoughts and feelings would come about as a direct result of the email or the phone call they is something like I'm and I I don't know specifically what would come up for you but oftentimes of the core for agoraphobia more generally it's I'm I have to leave. I'm going to have a panic attack. I'm going to lose control. I'm going to go crazy.  Yeah, I would immediately as soon as I knew that I had no choice So if I was It's interesting. There would be potential trigger. Okay. Here's a possible situation That's going to make me do a scary thing and if I was able to wiggle around it I would be able to remote it or something. Well, you know, somebody else could take care of it. Okay Disaster averted. Yeah, as soon as I was faced with a potential trigger Immediately my level of agitation would rise immediately my physical level of discomfort would rise My heart would begin to pound. I would begin to sweat. I would begin to breathe very deeply All of those things would start to happen. I get real a little bit Derealized and a little bit disoriented. So Even if I thought I might have to go to the data center or get McCarron Drive anywhere by myself I would start to experience that when it did become an actual trigger. Like no, I really have to do it Those things would ramp instantly into full panic Yeah, so I like that's a pretty accurate description I would get very anxious and then if I knew I gotta go boom instantaneous panic So I would go right from level six to level 15 This one goes to 50 Yeah, so that's what it would look like for me and I'm guessing that this is probably generalizable In general terms across multiple disorders Totally and I think that that's a good point. Like if we touch upon how it could be made manifest You know, we look at OCD and I'll I'll even take an example from my own history because that's the game we're playing today. I think uh So if when I had I had my primary obsession When I entered treatment was if I had relapsed on a piece of tiramisu because I had been sober for several years at the time and Hey, this piece of tiramisu and I wasn't sure what my intentions were about eating this piece of tiramisu So I spent, you know, two years trying to sort through and figure out What my genuine intentions were and whether or not I had relapsed And so if I were going throughout my day in the midst of that I I actually were driving on The valley and there's a restaurant That's called tiramisu And so I I lived in the valley for a time If I were just sort of like driving along and and mining my own business and all of a sudden I'd see that sign It would be oh my gosh You may have forgotten this but you might have relapsed on this piece of tiramisu that you ate several years ago what if you did or even That's the the wild thing about triggers is that The longer that you have the disorder the more associations they build And so I could Talk to somebody who I knew from my job at california pizza kitchen. That's right. I used to work at california pizza kitchen and I The place where I ate the tiramisu was at somebody's Bridal shower who worked at california pizza kitchen too. So if I'm now thinking about california pizza kitchen Well, now I'm thinking about the tiramisu, right? um Yeah, or somebody talks about Being genuinely honest with themselves. Well now I'm Am I being genuinely honest so it can trigger you because anything and at that point my Stomach would drop my my heart would start to to beat more quickly But more than anything that that strong urge to figure things out would just completely overtake me and I'd either You know ruminate about it for a while and try and sort it out internally or I'd you know make a phone call to One of the the few people who was still willing to talk to me And ask for some reassurance about whether or not I you know, it was it did constitute a relapse Okay And I like you know, this is really good. So the for me we're talking about sort of an agoraphobia trigger, but really And I mean you could probably confirm this as an of working clinician Underneath the agoraphobia is generally very few people have agoraphobia without panic disorder, right? That's an extremely rare such a circumstance So I mean, I know it can exist, but it's pretty rare for me the panic disorder led to the agoraphobia. So really It was a panic trigger. It wasn't an agoraphobia trigger And when you say that your range of triggers began to expand Okay, now this reminds me of tiramisu this reminds me of that this reminds me of that Same thing would hold true for me. So yes, we're specifically talking about today I got triggered because I got a phone call and I had to run to the data center in 2006 and I was afraid to do that But really my range of panic triggers got bigger and bigger also An argument a feeling really happy I remember the New York Giants won the the Super Bowl and I had a panic attack after the game It was super exciting. It came down to the very end. They beat the Patriots like eat it tom Brady Like as a lifelong giant fan, it was very exciting But it triggered panic after the game. Yeah So like that just anything you phone would ring a different sound like anything Everything would begin to like, oh no, I might I might feel a thing and then I'm afraid of that and it would just roll into panic So I agree with you a deeper Broader the range of potential triggers and that's what leads to that avoidance of like No, no, no, I just have to make sure that I try to keep it on the straight level No big emotions. No big feelings in my house. That's what we need. That's what today should be Let's keep our fingers crossed. So anyway, totally Yeah, well, that's yeah, there becomes more and more over time to your point to be avoided And then your life gets increasingly smaller and smaller and smaller um And that doesn't always happen with OCD, you know, I certainly avoidance comes up as as a way to deal with the anxiety, but um it's I I certainly avoided things. I transcended to fears about it my Contaminated that I was friends or something like that So avoid going to a party or something that would that would trigger that but one way or another You're even if you're there physically if you're caught up doing compulsions Whether in conversation with somebody or mentally, you're not really there. You're not Or if we take something else like being triggered in the context of Contamination concerns, you might not go not because you're avoiding the place but because you're too busy washing Right, you might not be connected in your life because or with locking compulsions, right? You might be over and over again with the door and you're not willing to leave not because you're anxious about Whatever it is you're going to but because You're unwilling to tolerate the anxiety that would come from leaving Yeah, that's a hundred percent on that from am I analog and that would be okay. I have no choice I have this is my business. I own the business and I don't and I won't go to it. I mean, it's terribly embarrassing Okay, I have no choice I have to go and I would just white knuckle my way through it and just grit my teeth and yeah, I was There but I wasn't really there because my entire focus was not on helping this particular customer or helping one of my employees or Taking your business my entire focus was on just trying to moderate and mediate and and flatten my my internal experience Internal experiential avoid I don't want to experience this thing internally which is triggered by this external thing So I'll go to the external thing, but it's really I'm just going to be completely internally focused Yeah, my body. Yeah, so yeah Yeah, it's not what I think I think it generalizes to beyond our two disorders, right? We're looking at Health anxiety same thing you get triggered around You know, you see something that reminds you of cancer and all of a sudden you're back to trying to figure out whether or not you have cancer Or when we're looking at specific phobias like with let's say dogs or spiders that you're going to find yourself avoiding those and Going and getting close to those things But the whole time you're doing all of these sort of more subtle safety behaviors that are keeping you from being Engaged Yeah So then the topic today is technically, uh, how do you navigate whence once triggered what happens then? I think it's the million dollar question that most people want to ask but tell me what to do then Yeah, normally phrased is how do I overcome? How do I handle but how do I can you give me tips on how to handle that? Yeah, so I think we're probably talking today about is handling How do you handle it when you do get triggered now too too bad now the snowball is rolling down the hill? You can't stop it. So what do you do? right right Well, and I imagine that you and I both have like slightly different variations on How how we would go about dealing with that But that I'm from my vantage point the first step is First of all recognizing that oh, I'm anxious like and I'm having thoughts Because without that recognition without recognizing that there are thoughts and feelings that are coming up here that you can't effectively navigate the circumstance I I agree with that So There's almost that you have to have an acknowledgement of this is the this is the situation I mean and there's almost that has to be almost an objective Which is hard to get to takes time to get to that an objective assessment of what's going on right now I'm experiencing extreme discomfort and fear because of these thoughts and sensations. Yes. That's it. Yeah That's the end of the story. That's the situation right now. I can't stop the story right there for me Yes, yeah Yeah, oh at 100 because then if you start going further into the story, you're going to actually end up kicking off more emotional challenges As opposed to just accepting the natural rise and fall By trying to mitigate the experience. You're actually making it worse Well, there you go. So mitigate the experience. I think is the key here for me What I would do initially when triggered was to try to mitigate the experience now. I have to find a way to Bring my heart rate down. I have to start find a way to Breathe slower. I have to find a way to not feel so flushed or hot or freezing because I would have these Crazy temperature swings. I was sweating and then I was freezing and it was no good So I would try to actively manage that or I would start to I would have thoughts like You know, how am I going to possibly get back to three miles back home if I go here? Now I have to get back How am I going to do that? Yeah, so and I would start to argue with myself and have what if scenarios? What if I have to call 911? What if I have to call for help? I was all I was trying to mitigate both the thoughts and the physical sensations. So that was my initial response when triggered So which I think leads to that's so perfect because the next step really is in After you've recognized that the thoughts and feelings are are present that you're not going to do anything to Try to fix control change them is the next step Yeah, but it did require that first step because the without that first step of acknowledging No, no, I have to boil this down to I'm thinking and I'm feeling that's all that's happening right now. I'm thinking of feeling I would focus on the the potential disastrous outcome. I'm stuck at the data center. I pass out. I have a heart attack I I'm dying Right That's not that none of that needed to be solved because none of that was actually happening I just had to relate better to the underlying thing which is I'm having an internal experience I'm thinking and feeling right Yes, and I'm unwilling to sit with the possibility that these things might come to pass Correct. Yeah. Yeah, the new way to navigate for me was Yes, I have to acknowledge what's going on and now I have to recognize that no, no, no I actually have to perform the task at hand now, which is I have to get a mic I have to put on my shoes. I have to put on my jacket. I have to tie my shoes I have to turn the key in the ignition I literally begin to breaking those things down into the tiniest little into all I have to do now is Was tremendously helpful to me all I have to do in the entire world right now is put my key in the ignition I key yeah in those days. So um, I still I still have that Because I have nav keys. What am I gonna say? But yes, all I have to do is this so instead of being focused on trying to prevent this imagined outcome I just had to bring my focus back to what I'm doing now and recognize like no my heart is going to pound now I My breathing is going to be ragged. I can try to control my breathing But not frantically and if I can't I can't I will shake. I will feel disoriented I'm just gonna have to do these things one at a time while I feel that Yes Yeah Yeah, so in terms of like making it a stepwise process as to what we've spoken about thus far first we Notice that we're having thoughts and feelings. We're able to be happening And there are allowing Those experiences to be present instead of resisting them So While the desire the urge to mitigate what's happening really that may come up We're not going to do that instead Quite to the contrary. We're going to go toward More thoughts and more feelings on purpose because in the direction of more thoughts and feelings is life Is doing the things that matter to you that are meaningful to you that that are necessary if you want to you know Keep doing the things that matter It's an excellent point because I was avoiding doing things that I really desperately did want to do Yeah, I don't I don't want to be stuck in. I don't want to hide in my house I didn't want to worry about the phone ringing. I didn't want it. I didn't want to live that way Yet I was avoiding the very things that that was I was avoiding the thing that I actually wanted to go toward As crazy as that is it sounds ridiculous when I say it out loud. Well, but that is the power of Of the the experiential avoidance these thoughts and feelings that we don't want to have And and if it really boils down anything to the goal Because if the goal is comforted at any cost Then of course we're going to do that Right if that's what the end game is that we just want to feel good Then we are going to be constantly buffeted and battered by our feelings If the goal is I want to live a full life regardless Then that changes the whole the the whole Experience because now you're like, okay.  So now it's funny because when we talk about Navigating through the trigger once triggered What I and I think this probably holds true for most of the community listening what I would have told you was navigating Was definitely not navigate So I think most people when they if they're going to tune into this and that this is the clickbait title of the youtube video Like oh, they're going to tell me how to navigate my anxiety triggers They're probably hoping to hear this is how you calm down This is how you ground. This is how you make it stop. This is how you make the panic go away This is how you calm your thoughts or change your thoughts But that's not navigating That's eradicating that's a wrap. We've already been there. We're not gonna we're not gonna eradicate. We're gonna navigate Right. So I think what I was thinking was navigation was really focused on eradication to bring it back to our last video Like so interesting. Yeah. Yeah, if I look back on that I'm like, oh navigating to me was how do I make this stop How do I make this go away? But really that's not navigating at all No, that's such a good point and I think as you're continually as As you are navigating the experience one thing I want to point to Is that you don't stop having thoughts and you don't like we've been talking a lot about the emotional experience That sort of continues throughout as evidence by all of these physical symptoms that you're having But in addition Every step I imagine even if you weren't engaging with the thoughts was You might not make it home. You might have a panic attack.  You might and I again It's choose your own adventure at this point, right? And then I die a horrible death because I have a panic panic attack while I'm driving and I can't focus on The road or whatever Whatever thing your brain comes up with in that moment But part of taking those steps like walking toward your car Is being willing to have this Guy in your brain screaming at you that all of these bad things are going to happen Yeah And the answer from my perspective to that as you're accepting the feelings and part of accepting the feelings accepting the uncertainty Accepting the experience is saying I don't know I don't know what's going to happen Yeah for me was And this only came from experience by the way, so I think we could tell you like well here This is really what navigating truly means.  No problem. I just figured out how to do this But for me part of that was Not just accepting the unknown, but I would literally begin to think show okay now show me Yeah, I'm so tired of living in my house and not and not being and being afraid to go to my own place of business that I own You're okay, so every time that little voice would say oh my god This is so this has to be something really wrong now Now it really feels like I'm slipping away when I would get to realize it We feel like it was slipping away or disintegrating in some way. This this has to be happening now My response became I'm going to keep moving forward. Show me then you keep saying that now you're going to have to show Yeah, yeah that helped at all that was it for me. That was a framing statement. Show me Yeah, well because it empowers you Right and when you No, no, that's For sure, but but it it is If we're working towards something then empowerment is certainly something that is worth Working toward and that actually has sort of a positive emotional output not that we do it for that but the the sort of willingness to feel all of that stuff is It feels good It does feel good and the way I was able to change my definition of navigation and I swear we're going to get back to navigating but The way I changed the definition and actually began to more successfully and productively navigate was I had to reach a certain level of Head-up-ness. It's a word. I just coined it.   Like I'm just not um, and I think there had to be a well and It was interesting because I realized I really wasn't living I wasn't living my life based on my values Or what was most meaningful to me um So ultimately, you know, just disengaging from the questioning was me saying like Okay, well, I'm gonna do this. I'm I'm not gonna have the answer. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Continue to figure it out and I I think that that was in my own way my defiance of like I guess and I certainly since and Then had experiences where it's like Bring it on, you know, like I Okay because and I think having Reed Wilson talks about this a lot. He talks about the idea of wanting the anxiety yeah, and It sort of strikes me as a similar flavor but I I love But I do really love this idea of like You're gonna have to kill me Then like that's that's the option that I'm taking and that's Essentially anytime that I ask the client to accept uncertainty about whether or not they want to murder their families or whether or not they're secretly a pedophile or You know What have you that I'm saying you have to accept that the worst case scenario is on the table Because it's that unwillingness to accept that that's been keeping them in the loop And so while it may not be I you're gonna have to kill me.  Uh, that's great the hostage thing because I think in the end that's what it was It was you'll have to kill me was essentially like I am not I'm not gonna have you drag me up and down anymore Right. This is just the way it's gonna have to be but I think and I wrote about this too and I wrote my books like People will say all the time, but I don't understand. I get it. I know I'm not gonna kill my family Like I'm sure most of your clients would say well, but I know that that's not really true But it feels so true That yes, we're asking people to accept the unknown or accept the uncertainty of something that in in most likelihood And I you know, I know we want to say this if you don't want to do that reassurance thing But it's not gonna happen But you can't hang your hat on it's not gonna happen But your brain is telling you no no no It's gonna happen So from an internal experience standpoint, I am literally accepting death Even though you know from the outside looking in true, you're not gonna die I know you're not gonna die and you're okay now But my internal experience is I am choosing to intentionally go and die Yep, that's why it's so hard and that's why you're having a hard time navigating most likely To you I it is legitimately you are choosing this horrible fate that you believe is real Because your brain has taken you hostage and told you that it is Yeah Yeah, and I do try to bring back people to the uncertainty because of the fact that we don't we don't want people to live in Oh, I'm gonna murder my family because that's also not true, right like You could is is really and like just like you could die and of course Yeah, I I think The the point that you make about most people know right at some level Is true and most people who are in it will Say on one level they don't believe it and then on another level They're still terrified that it's that it's secretly true or that they're Deluding themselves or so it's it's a tricky thing and that's where it's like And I I have to tell people and in session this all the time. I'm like, but you don't know Right, that's the problem is the I know this isn't gonna happen I'm like you don't though and that's that is what's keeping you stuck Is that you don't know and you're unwilling to not know so You can say that you know, but realistically, that's just not the case. So let's let's get better at not knowing And so navigation through the trigger when it happens for me was just to kind of bring it back to the original premise here was the acceptance of okay, this is what's actually happening and now I'm Now you're gonna have to kill me. So I'm gonna have to accept this possible Situation that I'm so afraid of that has never actually happened But in my brain, I'm accepting okay Go ahead let this happen and then it was action Then it was action toward what I really wanted to do which in that moment I didn't want to drive out away from the house. I didn't want to do that But on the bigger picture of my life that is what I wanted to do So I had to choose to move slowly relaxed mindfully as best I can relax not calm Relax and calm are two different things try to be relaxed as best I can and move toward things that were actually Long-term goals, which is not normal for human beings. We want to act based on what we want now It was hard to get into that group But it's like nope if I go and do this now. I know that I will be happy. I will thank myself in three months Yes Yeah, so I that was navigating navigating was I'm not going to try to navigate through this circumstance right this minute That feels so important. I'm going to try to navigate toward What's what's waiting for me in three or six months? Oh, I love that. That makes sense Yeah, because well because what you're talking about too We're looking at the idea of navigation as a whole is that you've got your compass bearings on the thing that you want and Simultaneously you may that may mean you'll hit a rough patch immediately as a as a direct result that you're not going off course because that that would Deterry you from the things that matter um yeah Yeah, and just to sort of bring it back because I love that you We've you know Pull it pull it all back together Um, if we're looking at it from the ocd perspective in my own experience that navigating those moments looked like Oh, I'm having thoughts that I might have relapsed and that maybe I'm lying to myself and that I'm a terrible person And that I'll live a lie right these were the the things that my brain did And then I'd have this surge of anxiety and this really strong desire to figure it out I'd I'd be aware right let me start with the awareness Then go into okay. This is what's happening acceptance and then I would go toward maybe Maybe maybe I did relapse.  Maybe maybe I'm gonna live a lie May maybe no one will ever know the real me. Okay I'd maybe I don't know I'm but I'm gonna keep um Driving because that's what I'm doing right now. So I don't have time to Figure that out.  I need to be focused on the here and now. I'm uncomfortable right now. I'm uncertain right now I'm afraid right now So I think if anything and I I don't know if you would agree with this or not The best navigation tip the internet is completely chock full of like here and now feel better this minute navigation tips So we're not going to do that. You can go find them somewhere else And and I hope you don't but in the end the navigation is not in the here and now the navigation is pointed toward the future Please don't Please don't do that. Um So does that yeah That's that's what I mean Those things are not necessarily productive. So if you came here hoping to find, you know, 10 things to make your panic attacks I'm sorry that we disappointed you but navigate toward where you want to be as a recovered person That's navigation through the trigger Yes Take the steps that you That the person that you want to be Very good, you know, even though that compass is there's a big magnet behind you that keeps changing your compass Yeah, hey, but wait go over there. It's going to be better. No Oh, we are having internet problems. Well Probably on my end and I apologize gang, but That's all right. We're at 34 minutes another great chat Yeah, it's always fun and these always go a little bit off the rails But then I think we bring them back. So hopefully it's been helpful for everybody listening or watching Fingers crossed Fingers crossed I will put up for those of you who do not know miss lauren This is where she is at at the obsessive mind or are you the obsessive mind dot com is your website too? I remember that is actually my website as well. Yes, you nailed it So that's how you get it. So if you do not follow lauren then go and do that Oh, I guess I got to put mine up to you Yeah, you got to put yours up and this if you can hear me still is Drew's information you can find him at the dot anxious dot truth And uh, it's the anxious truth.com too, isn't it? Yeah, if it is it happens to be the anxious truth.com. So there you go. There you go All right peeps. Thanks for coming by. I'm sure we'll do this again next month Like we always do don't know what we're going to talk about but we'll be back It's going to be a surprise fire and I coming at you Coming at you again. So anyway, all right guys. We'll see you next time. Thanks for coming by


You're still watching Waze Now. Today is World Site Day. It's an annual day of awareness held on the second Thursday of October to focus global attention on visual impairment, including blindness. It was initiated by the site's first campaign of Lions Club International Foundation in 2000. World Site Day is an opportunity to raise awareness of the importance of eye care and to promote the prevention of blindness. It is also a day to advocate for people who are blind or visually impaired and to ensure that they have access to the services and support they need. I don't know. Did you ever have any eye care? I think I had one. I think it was last year. We went for a checkup and all of that. Because you have too much screen. So my eyes get very teary these days on each year and all of that. So when it did up to a video, ophthalmologist checked my eyes and said that this eye, that she's seeing some irregularities, like presenting like cataract, I say cataract, what? But we don't have the, no, glaucoma. We don't have glaucoma in my family. So nobody has gone because I know that glaucoma is highly tied to like hereditary, whatever. Or at least thankfully when I went for the other, because they now had to refer me to another. They didn't have the equipment for that particular test. They had to refer me when I checked this, everything was normal. I don't go out to the clinic after that.  I'll just wake up and all my tears and all of that. I need to go and see the ophthalmologist. I know, but after that, I don't ask her. You will not see me again. I don't know who you see, then you will take that out. But I want to advocate, please, glaucoma ahead is very scary because you can literally sleep, see and wake up blind. And it's actually preventable.  So once you know that there's a history of glaucoma in your family, you need to do regular checks. Interesting. Very interesting. You have your own story. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.  And of course, that's also a byproduct of, you know, you begin to have all these things, like glaucoma, cataracts and all that.  So I remember when I did my checkup after he, I think after he passed. In fact, the way I threatened the doctor, I mean, the person was a lady. I was like, think very carefully before you say whatever you want to say. She just said, laugh him, you know.  Yeah, there were some irregularities.   So constant checks. Because that's the only way to prevent it. It will happen, you know, if you do not have one, because they will not put you on some medications. Because I have a friend that she's also predisposed to glaucoma. So she was one that even told me, please just go and check. I think we don't even have to go and check. Since they told you that they saw something for you. So they checked it, I was my right eye and everything was fine. This baby was just, you know... Stress and all. But they did some... Wow. That mapping is very important. And they map, map everywhere. It's very, very important. Sure, I didn't even... After that, they said I have no visitors. And I think it's also very important that we need to reduce screen time. Yeah, it's like literally, mind is screen time. My phone... Because now I read everything online. I don't even read, I've not read a physical book. I kid you not. So I was like, I do videos, I do texts, everything online. It's not good for my eyes. It's not so. Because like me, sometimes... So one of the things I try to do is I put my phone on dark mode. Dark mode. Why is it on dark mode? So it's not too bright in my eyes. But it is. But it does. So again, drink lots of water. Always drink water. Sometimes you need to take time off screen. Leave your laptop.  So you need to consciously... Yeah, so I have... ...bring rapidly. Just to put moisture in your eyes, you know. So, I mean, tips and... Again, we have to be focused on preventive care. Yeah. And check or go to your ophthalmologist. Go and check. Because it's actually very, very preventable. All right, so generally let me come to you. You only 5,000 today, isn't it? Okay. Two Nigerians are running for drug trafficking in... So two ladies, Paul Joy and Piss Ilobe, were arrested. And they were carrying six kilogram of hypnotic drug called metacolon. And I don't know what they were about. And two kilogram of heroin. So it was seized from them and then they had confirmed that a guy... Well, that someone, a Steven guy from Nigeria had given them the drug to traffic. So it was during that process that they found out and then searched them and realized that they had drugs on them. So they're going to... Since they're residing in India, they're going to be tried and tested there. So it's interesting. So we live in Nigeria. And go. It's just sad. Just where? Oh, by UV. So this is... FGT include families of fallen heroes in cash transfer scheme. These, I mean, earlier on, the federal government had announced plans to include families of Nigerian fallen soldiers and members of the Nigerian Legion among the beneficiaries of its conditional cash transfer scheme. The Minister for Humanitarian Affairs on Poverty Elevation, Dr. Betza Edou said this on Thursday in a statement by her media aide, Mr. Rashid Zubar. I mean, this is a welcome development. I mean... You were a finance person. So I really particularly liked the story because I remember going back to 2015 when I went to the U.S. and my aunt is... Veteran. Yeah, she's a veteran in the Nigerian Army. I'm sorry, the American Army.  So they were going to give her... I think then she had just clocked 30 years in service and all of that. So they're going to put the medal and all of that. So we're there, her retirement. I want to enter this at Ibaraki in the U.S. I really wanted to become a soldier. A miniature person. I wanted to become a... Me too because, like, literally they leave. Like, everything is... She had so benefit for everything. Every restaurant we went to, she's always say, don't worry, don't worry, let me pay. I have special discount, you know? Like, so they treat them with so much dignity. It is only natural for people when you treat them right, want to lay their lives for you. So when I saw this, I actually thought it was a good idea. I'm just hoping that, you know, they would actually really execute it in a way that it is impactful. Because my challenge in Nigeria is that we have very great ideas, very German ideas. But it is two things. Even within the idea, there's a lot of corruption that happens. That the families, maybe the government might say, we are disbossing, let's say, 500,000 every month to these families. You might not get to them. At the end of the day, maybe it's my 5K that I'll get to them. So it's all these things that just sometimes really, really works me up when I see this. But it's a fantastic, very laudable problem. Because see, anybody that's protecting lives and property. So Folly Heroes, I'm hoping that it goes across all the military power status. So it's not just the army, there's the police, there's everybody. It's a very welcomed idea, honestly. I just pray that it's done well, it's executed well. All right, so I think I will just take a pause now because my story is actually what we're discussing today. The young girls that actually killed, they wanted to listen. I don't understand the story, but we'll take a break or we'll come back and continue the conversation, stay with us.