Chair Weigel we're ready to go at 430 Whenever you are okay, so Haven't used the gavel in like two years So look at that. It's 430. I'd like to call the regularly scheduled Meeting of the city Santa Rosa Design Reboard to order And with that we are in person. So I don't think I have to read All the all the stuff right Okay, so At least in terms of the the public health officer stuff But that being said Members of the public may participate virtually In our meeting our hybrid meeting so you can be here in person or you can participate virtually if you'd like to participate virtually Go to www.zoom.us Slash join or by calling toll free to 1 800 1 8 7 7 8 5 3 5 2 5 7 and use the meeting ID Not this one Sorry Got the wrong meeting ID Bear with me Use meeting ID 867 5845 4073 Public comment may be made live during the meeting in person via zoom or phone additional information related to the meeting is available at The city's website at HTTP SR city org slash design review board the meeting will be live streamed at Santa Rosa Santa dash Rosa dot Legistar comm slash calendar click on the in progress link to view the meeting could also be viewed on Comcast channel 28 And is also being streamed on the city's YouTube site At youtube.com slash city of Santa Rosa so with that I would like to turn it over to our illustrious recording secretary for a roll call Board member cook board member Jones Carter Board member Sharon here Board member with rich is absent vice chair birch here chair Weigel Here let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member with rich who is absent Thank you, so we'll move on to item two approval of minutes So we'll just go through them one by one here Any changes or objections to the items contained in 2.1, which is the which are the minutes from December 15th 2022 Seeing none, I'd like to move the December 15 minute December 15th minutes into the record item 2.2 January 5th minutes objections changes Seeing none, I'd like to move the January 5th minutes into the record 2.3 January 19th minutes any objections or changes Seeing none, I'd like to move the January 19th minutes into the record and Item 2.4 February 2nd meeting minutes any objections or changes Seeing none, I'd like to move that into the record So with that I like to go to item number three public comment Except for items that are listed on the agenda. This is time for members of the public to make comment on anything that is Germane or within the jurisdiction or purview of the designer view board So if you'd like to make a public comment on items not on the agenda, please either proceed to the two podiums in the rear of the council chambers or Raise your hand on the zoom platform Chair waggle, I don't see anybody making their way to the podium and I don't see any hands raised on zoom All right, so with that I'd like to close item three public comment not seeing any public commenters And so we will go to item four Which is board business? At which time I would like to read our statement of purpose Zoning code chapter 20 dash 52 dot 0 3 0 f Project review the review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines Architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements e.g. City policy statements and development plans Item 4.2. Are there any board member reports? Seeing none item 4.3 I'd like to introduce a new member of the designer view board sitting over there to my right Mike cook Mike is a landscape architect in the area Mike would you like to introduce yourself say a little bit about yourself and I'm glad to have you on design review board? Hi everybody Mike cook. I'm a principal at integral landscape architecture. We have an office here in Santa Rosa I've been practicing landscape architecture for over 20 years Thanks Mike glad to have you here Other than that, I don't think we have any other business Okay, so with that we'll move to item 5 department reports and I'll turn it over to our board liaison supervising planner Amy Nicholson Thank you chair Weigel and good afternoon members of the board. I don't have much of a report Today, I just wanted to say it's great to be back here In person after three years and Happy to have you on the board Board member code Thanks Thanks, Amy So item 6 statements of abstention. This is Any statements of abstention for conflicts of interest on item 8.1 any statements of abstention this evening? All right seeing none. We will move to item 7 consent items. There are none So with that we'll move to item 8.1, which is a public hearing design review for airway self-storage Which is cat a categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act at 33 83 airway drive city file number dr 22-018 and With that, I would like to turn it over to the project planner Susie Murray for a staff presentation Chair chair Weigel sorry to interrupt, but can you ask for exparte disclosures? Sure? I I normally do it after staff presentation, but that we can do it before that's cool, too Any exparte disclosure on this item? No seeing none. All right, so then we'll move to the staff report Susie all you One moment, please we're trying to get the Presentation up on the screen. Thank you. Good afternoon Chair Weigel and members of the design review board. It is very nice to be back in the chambers project before you this afternoon is airway self-storage. It's a Proposed self-storage facility located at 3383 airway drive The project involves the construction of a two-story. I guess let me back up it involves the demolition of the existing Storage facility and the reconstruction of a two-story Facility that's photographed there or not photographed, but a rendering there that will provide 569 self-storage units. It's approximately 6,000 or 62,000 square feet and the only required entitlement is design review. This use is permitted by right at that location This is an aerial view of the site as it stands today. There are three well four structures For storage This is what it looks like from the outside Just to give you an idea of the neighborhood context there. The site is noted with a star and It's surrounded on all sides by light industrial and commercial uses and then off to the west you can see there's some residential uses separated by a Number of other commercial uses Excuse me Excuse me And back in 2001 we had a neighborhood me or I'm sorry a pre-application meeting with staff The project didn't require a neighborhood meeting because it doesn't affect any residential neighborhoods Back in December of 2000. Oh my goodness 16. I think that's more like 2021 that's a typo We had concept review with the design review board the board at the time was generally in favor of the project Both with the architecture and the palette the color palette With some recommended changes to the north and west elevations Color of the roll-up doors and what have you to kind of jazz up the appearance The applications were submitted in April of 2022 and then we're before you today General plan land use designation is light industry The zoning is light industrial which is consistent with the general plan You can also see here that it's surrounded on all sides by Properties with the same zoning and general plan land use designation the site plan This is it's a very simple site plan that one building with a wraparound drive-through and parking on that Lower corner lower right corner. I guess that is actually the southeast corner The project does implement goals and policies of the general plan Including maintaining a vibrant convenient and attractive commercial center by I think it is Definitely a step up in terms of the building design And it preserves and enhances Santa Rosa's scenic character again by putting a much nicer looking building and landscaping on that site It's also been Reviewed in compliance with development standards including circulation Emergency access and of course development standards set forth in the zoning code There are six required. Well actually there are seven required findings six shown here and as shown on the Drafted resolution staff's determination is that those findings can be met We hope you agree The project was also reviewed in compliance with the design guidelines we looked at section 3.4 that talks about business and light industrial parks and buildings and It's section 4.3 for infill development Project has also been reviewed in compliance with the Environmental Quality Act or California Environmental Quality Act And it qualifies for several Exemptions for infill development because it involves the demolition and Reconstruction of the same type of buildings same type of use on the same property And it also come as eligible for a streamlining measure pursuant To or because it's consistent with the general plan for which an EIR or environmental impact report was certified by counsel There have been no issues raised as part of staff's review and there were no public comments received Whoopsie and With that Don't know what happened there Okay, with that it is recommended by planning an economic development department that the design review board by resolution Grant design review for the airway self-storage project at 3 3 8 3 airway drive My contact information is shown on the board if anybody has any questions After the meeting this is where you can get copies of plans and Ask me questions that concludes my presentation The applicant team is here and would like to do a presentation as well unless you have questions for me I'll get that set up Thanks, Susie Is everybody comfortable with just going to the What we've been doing in the virtual environment because that seemed to work better for us Was what was we were just moving straight to The applicant presentation and then doing questions of both staff and the applicant you guys want to keep doing that I think it worked pretty well. Okay, cool. So Applicant presentation, please we're getting there. Yeah, I'm just I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page here Because I think that'll that'll work Seems to be streamlined for us in that regard We're doing questions from the public the public hearing between for before our questions. That's right. So, okay Yeah, and we'll do we'll do public We'll do the public hearing After the applicant presentation before our questions that way we can make sure if there are any public comments We can wrap them in that's what vice chair birch was talking about. Thank you so much. I think we're ready now Yeah, my name is Gordon Wong. I'm the architect on the project and this is my colleague Joshua, I'm the project representative slash designer and I work under Gordon We're our company's gkw architects and this is all right. I'm uh, tony kasaris owner of uh The future area we self-storage hopefully And we're here just to give a few like little more details about the project. We've uh brought samples We have a material board And we'll just give a brief summary of what we've been doing So, uh, I've been working with with tony since uh, 2021 and uh, we reviewed the Oh, thank you so much We review the project with the fire department Um, plant planning public works. We did do a neighborhood walk We looked at the site and tried to get the project to scale In terms of all the buildings around it. We did notice there was a row of trees On the right side of the building So we decided two stories would be really nice because then the trees still block off the side We put a little more detail in the street facing portion of the building Maybe we could start the slides. Yeah Uh, yeah, so this is the existing site uh next slide Uh, there we go. Yeah, so you kind of see in the area view the the brown material is actually a metal Clad material and it looks just like wood. It's durable lightweight Works really well for this type of a project And below there's a band of landscaping. There's four different types of four trees two different types of species We have six types of shrubs And three types of ground coverage and that's kind of like the whole overall Look and feel the street facing We do have bioretention in the back corners of the site to make sure that all the storm waters maintain on the site And the asphalt wrapping around the building is For both the fire apparatus and for the convenience of accessing the storage center Josh continue Susie, can you go to the next slide? Yeah, so just briefly laying out susie. Thank you for covering this for us. But just the existing proposed site plan As you can see there's a There's a roadway access all around the building And we're proposing four big trees in the front and we're also including we're going to be planting a new tree adjacent to the parking area And on the the southern facade of the building there's going to be Vehicle access storage centers where the roll-up doors will be or on the southern face We're going to have our circulation Within the building. Oh, excuse me. Can you go to the next slide? Yeah, landscape plan. Yeah, just laying out the new Plans that we're going to be creating and Um, we're going to be yeah, susie can you can go to the next slide? Yeah, this is the first floor of floor plan The front office main lobby is going to be on the lower southern eastern side of the building And you can see on the southern side of the building is going to be the storage centers There's going to be two main paths of circulation and two elevators As well as all bathrooms in the building will be ADA accessible As well as all the turnarounds Yeah, and you go to the next slide We've got three different sizes of storages So it's really convenient for anybody who wants to rent a certain type in size We're providing a new office all the accessibility is there Same with the the parking areas. We have handicap accessibility and some of them have shaded parking And those are some of the things that were requested next slide Here's an example of the exterior finish it is a wood grain finish But it's actually metal for a long lasting and I have to do any treatment in the future next slide Um, here's some of the stucco colors that we're going for going for irk tone to tie the building down Again with that corrugated metal from pacclad next slide The roof is going to be standing seam metal we found that to be a more cost-effective than the torch down or the EPDM membrane roof next slide Here's just a a front rendition with those two types of Trees one has a little bit of color from the flowers and the other one's a pistachio tree And on the left side you can see the shading shaded area for People are coming in out of the building. We have two punched windows on the left side And two mulling glass windows more towards the center next slide I also have a tony and maybe give a little short overview of the business um Yeah, once again, I'd like to thank everybody again for Your time in in review in our project. Um This really is a dream come true for myself and my family. I've been in the storage business for about 12 years But this is the first first one where we actually own the property and are really looking forward I'm super excited to this project Put a lot of time and thought and details and The build out obviously of course working working with cordon and we plan to implement some some Promotions also for for anybody who is displaced during the fires that that occurred throughout this beautiful county and Yeah Aside from that it is just a storage facility. So, um, you know, there might not be It's not necessarily glamorous in that aspect, but um Really really looking forward to this project and and excited and if there's you know, any questions you guys have Feel free to ask. Um, I think the only the other thing that I would touch on also is Because of my experience in the storage business being able to build this facility from the ground up is really going to help us um control certain aspects of the storage industry that Have been problematic before in the past whether one the building being an eyesore or two security issues Things of that nature that Being able to build this from the ground up is is really going to minimize any of those negative effects that You may have seen in storage and other projects. So thank you Any questions or comments? We're we're glad to hear and answer. Thank you Excellent. Thanks. Um, so we'll we'll hold off on comments to you guys the applicant team in a minute So with that, so thank you again. Thank you for your presentation. Appreciate that So we will go to Open the public hearing now So I'd like to Look for a public comment On this item And so if you'd like to make public comment and you are here in the chamber, please Proceed to the podiums at the rear Or otherwise raise your hand in the zoom platform Chair waggle, there are no members of the public making their way to the podium and I don't see any hands raised on zoom Well, thank you. How many uh, how many attendees do we have in the virtual meeting? Just had a curiosity One. Oh, okay.  So excellent So seeing no public commenters. I would like to close the public hearing at this time And we'll move we'll bring it back to the board And uh, we'll do questions of staff and the applicant And I'm going to put board member Sharon in the hot seat tonight Uh for questions So adam you're up Excuse me Um Thank you, Susie for your presentation. Great to see you and great to see you in person. It's great. We have the materials board too It's very nice to see. Thank you applicants. Um, and uh, yeah, he said it's only a Any only a storage facility, but you can tell you've put a lot of thought into it And it's uh, and it's great to see that even with you know, sort of utilitarian projects to see actual good design So thanks for that Just had a question. We don't have the landscape architect here. Do we? On the on the team, okay Um In that case, I don't have any questions. Thanks Thanks adam um, so i'll go to uh Board member cook over there for any questions of staff or the applicant Just have a couple One was on the project narrative. It says that the they're planting quirkus trees And I didn't see the quirkus trees anywhere on the Legend for the landscape plan The the project narrative that I believe was written by your company States that there will be several quirkus live oak trees proposed And the landscape plan doesn't have any Native trees on the on the plans So hey mike. Thanks. So if you guys could just go back up to the podium there So the folks Online can hear and also this all gets recorded and uploaded for posterity's sake So any answers we'd like to have that on the record Thank you Uh, the question was if we are proposing live oak trees Yeah, just yes the project narrative, um that the architect wrote Yeah, we would say that there will be several oak trees native oak trees proposed And the landscape plan does not have any native trees on the on the plan I was trying to get clarification on what the proposal is it to plant oak trees or not to plant oak trees Okay. Um, yes. I'm not sure We we don't have any of the live oak trees proposed We just have the Lages trauma which are the quaint little trees and the pistachio trees pistachio. Okay, so that would be per the landscape plan Yes, correct Okay, and then my other question was There's the trees are proposed in each the rear corners And if looking at the the civil engineers plans It looks like that's like a recessed stormwater retention area Um, and the I did not see on the landscape plan that trees were being proposed back there There are Yeah, uh, we do have one tree in each corner As well as uh trees and the project frontage That's coordinated with the civil And it is coordinated with the civil. Um, they do show the bioretention areas Okay, thank you Hey, mike I know you got a big voice. Can you speak up a little bit? You and then you guys too. Can you make sure you get closer to the microphone so that we can not only can we hear you but also You know anybody else? Thanks I think the only other question I have is just about lighting So I saw the photometric plan. Um, but I don't believe I saw like light poles Is all the lighting coming off of the building? So we yeah, we do have a photometric plan And once we get our um mechanical actual plumbing engineer on board We'll make sure it's dispersed at least one foot candle throughout the whole site Yeah, and I think my question. I mean, I think the photometric plan looked fine the way it was I Would be more concerned about light spill over to other properties Yeah, we'll we'll make sure that the light, uh, I coordinated with our utility Consultant and they're going to make sure that the light doesn't go to other properties Yeah, so what we're showing on our photometric plan is um downlights Yeah, so they will they will not be um light pollution Thank you. Yeah, mike if you look at e 000 that photometric plan There's two cut sheets on the right hand side and they both look like wall packs. They're just different Excuse me different styles of wall pack Well, is that it? All right. Thanks, mike Drew, could I ask a uh, sorry? Yeah, go ahead a procedural question. Um, and so This is um design review So this would be the last time we see it, correct? Correct just needs to be a full package that's brought to us today full package This is the last time we'll see it. So hopefully we'll be able to condition it and Approve it right? Hopefully we'll see Um, but yeah, this last time we'll see it Okay, uh questions of the staff of staff or the applicant board member jones carter I just have one question. Um bike access Says that uh, there's curb cuts for it But I don't see anything inside the facility for storage of bikes I know most people will probably be coming in in their cars, but something there Yeah, so um Your question was regarding bike storage within the building for Yes, well, uh, we'll propose bike rack racks outside of the building for people if people decide to bike to the storage facility They'll be able to park outside Yeah, okay Thank you Yeah Okay, uh questions of staff or the applicant vice chair birch Yes, good afternoon Great to be back here great to see the staff And uh, nice to see the board in person. It's the first time I've met Several of the board members in person been working with them for two or three years now. So Um, the one question that I had was is there a is there a structural Or a practical construction um reason that the um The windows On the airway drive facade Uh, couldn't continue in a pattern. They sort of we've got the two windows That are in the I believe in the office and the caretakers Unit and they're the tall verticals and then we go to a nice larger window But let some natural light into that corridor, which is great I'm just curious if we sort of stop then we have a building mass and I understand sort of an you know Non-symmetricals good. I'm just curious if there's a reason That there couldn't be additional window openings that kind of finish that pattern I feel like it's I feel like half of the facade has a has a pattern And the other half of the facade just sort of stops So actually michael, um, if I can chime in a little bit this was going to be my question as well So in your december 16th 2021 concept design you did you had a the window went Kind of side to side for the entire front facade and then it's been reduced to two windows And I think that's so the and I think tied to that within the documents. There's a conflict, right? So there in some renderings There's a full window in some elevations. There's the two windows and some renderings There's the two windows and then in one elevation. There's the full window. So I think maybe we're just looking for a little bit of clarification as to Why the decision was made to reduce The window or I think originally proposed. Yeah, or are there are there limitations? Or practical construction reasons that you know cost or whatever That would limit the number of windows so that we could possibly make a comment and provide some Guidance to to you know as to the window configuration. So Yeah, so, um, yeah, you guys are right in our previous design iteration We did have the full spanning windows but due to The smaller windows since these are actually quite large windows. I think they're like 12 feet by 12 feet It's the ease of construction to make them smaller and it still allows light to go in but the the long span of Windows would would would make it with the con to the construction more complex and Increased costs. Yeah But this way we found like a good meat in the middle to still allow light to go in but also Maximize the amount of storage capacity and you know still yeah Great. Thank you. That's all my questions true. Thank you. Thanks Michael. Um, I've got a couple of questions Uh So in the previous package you had all the parking up front was covered parking And it's since been reduced to only a couple of spaces Looks like maybe three or four Um where before they were Yeah, one two three four and before you had I think like all kind of 12 spaces covered Was the decision to reduce that based on cost consideration? Yeah, so that was reduced due to cost consideration as well as I believe were required to covered parking spaces for the caretaker and the the office the manager space As well as we'll be proposing um since susie asked us if we could provide a tree next to the parking area That will provide extra additional coverage and it's more natural for the landscape as well Yeah, and I think the other thing that you're going to find is uh from a code requirement standpoint If you provide covered parking and you have ADA parking You have to have parking covered ADA parking, right? You can't have non ADA covered parking and You understand what I'm saying for equal accommodations. So I just wonder If you can find a way to just cover it all then that solves all the problem Yeah, we uh we can definitely adjust that um since it's still uh for consideration And also when we made that design change the cost of steel was going up. So but now it's it's going down Yeah, um, so we can we can uh revise that. Yeah, the roller coaster that is uh material costs right now, right? Yeah, it's it's bonkers project like three times and we saw the huge fluctuation. Yeah Yeah, I I totally get that Okay, uh My next question Is there's a kind of a conflict here on What you call decorative metal green screen? Which I I'm assuming is some type of creeping vine screen container element But in some elevations it's got two panels and other elevations. It's got four panels What's your what was your intent I guess because What what will help us condition your project is if we can point to like a like for instance Sheet a 2000 in your set or a 200 it has two panels, right? So that when we condition it we can say hey Two panels per a 200 Right and that way when the planners look at it when you submit your final package You're in you're in conformance, right? But because there's Different layouts, uh, it's hard. It's hard for us to condition it And then the planners will have lots of questions and we we try to help them out as much as we can Yeah, so um the green the panels are to break up the facade and um, they will be two panels Yeah, they will be two panels because that's we're working on our building set right now And that's what we have in our building set So yeah, just the and and the reason why we don't have them one facade is because the the other facade is we will have trees and It's for yeah existing trees So yeah, there's like a whole row of existing trees on the north Elb north facade so completely covered whereas the other facades are open So that's why we wanted to put the green screen to help match the rest That was the intent. Yeah Okay, cool um So we've talked about Panel conflict Covered parking Vessage renderings kind of sort of reduction in glazing Um on the north side of the building. I believe in the december set The concept design review set you had some windows on that side They are now gone I'm assuming that's because in the new floor plan There's storage units all along the north side So that really doesn't make a whole heap of sense to put windows into storage units, right? Okay, okay, so that answers that one Okay, so the I did I have a question on your site plan So you're showing like a 20 foot what looks like a driveway I'm assuming so If a car were to come onto this property, they could completely encircle the building pretty much, right? Is that what I'm? Uh, yeah, so the driveway is so vehicles can access the ground floor storage units because the there's a There's storage units that you could directly access from the outside of the storage facility So that's what we have to the turnaround Yeah, no, I meant the I guess it would be on the Oh the the front of the front. Yeah, the airway drive facade.  Yeah, that was driven by fire And I think there's easements in the front that okay, cool excellent Yeah, the reason I'm asking I guess is Um, you know when we start talking about bike parking and some of those other elements You know your ada access from the sidewalk on airway drive is crossing that drive aisle And then you have you know a number of parking spaces So I'm I'm just I'm struggling to find where I would put bicycle parking Right, we're kind of out of space in that area in terms of you know, both the drives and uh You know your trash enclosure your ada parking Path of travel that kind of stuff. So anyway, just something to think about Hey, I think we would have space in the front Of the building because there's a overhang right underneath the overhang we could put bike parking there Okay, cool. Yeah adjacent to the office. So it's convenient for for customers to access Okay, I'm seeing it now on your your south elevation. Yeah, you could put it there. Okay, cool um, and then uh, so you guys passed around some finishes But I I'm unclear if you handed us proposed finishes or examples of finishes. Does that make sense? Uh, so for instance, the lahabra stucco that you handed us Is not agreeable gray It was something else Yeah, yeah, so, um, those are proposed finishes though. Oh, sorry. Those are examples of example Okay, so that's just an example for you to feel it, but the color will be what we showed in the presentation Perfect. Yeah, sorry about the confusion. No, perfect. Yeah. Just wanted to clarify. Yeah, samples are hard to come by now, too Yeah, yeah, you get it.  They're like, no Yeah, so I get it. Um, okay, perfect. All right I know All right, any other questions sparked by any of that for anyone else? Like I just wanted to follow up on the driveway question. Um, I was going to comment To ask if we could remove that driveway To allow for more landscape Because I think in the landscape plans are showing the trees within the public utility easement, which I don't know that the city would allow So if we aren't allowed to put trees in the public utility easement, there's nowhere to put trees in the front of the building So I think that would be a problem And so I just Just a question. Is it is it feasible to remove that driveway? Um And then my other question kind of to follow up on the the the glass the Front on the front edge. Um, one of my questions was going to be can we put some more glass or some glazing or something? On that wall on the lower floor Because that's really plain right now And so you go from the plain front wall to a driveway to a little bit of landscape to the street. So It would seem to me if we could decorate that a little bit more. Um, it would look better Yeah, we can definitely add more openings to allow for more light in on the on the ground floor Yeah, and in regards to the landscaping, um I think we need that driveway For fire, but we we do have like a that stretch of landscaping, but we could try to we'll try to increase it So there's more landscape available One reason why um, that happened was the uh, we worked out the memorandum with fire. Um, the lot is a little thin So the the width of driveway to driveway They wanted more flexibility because the the driveway was too close together So we told them we would make a loop and wrap around the whole thing whole building Yeah, so I think tied to that mic. Um, so I I understand that um You know the minimum requirement for one-way traffic is like 14 feet Or 12 feet something like that. So I wonder if You guys might consider a conversation with fire about making that one way Um, so that it both accommodates You know an emergency vehicle And also traffic circulation, but then you can give that remaining. I don't know six or eight feet to potential plantings Um, I don't know. It's kind of a comment not a question. Sorry about that Um, but it's I think because if fire was so adamant about having Access I think that's that's fine. I think just ask the you know, maybe take it to the next step the next question Which is what's your minimum width that you guys want? Yeah We'll reach out the fire about that Yeah, we'll find out. Cool. And then I think sorry I I had one more question that I think I missed this on the plan set So the there's square windows in the stucco on the ground floor On the airway elevation and they're effectively clara story windows Correct. I'm just kind of evenly spaced that I'm seeing that correctly There's four of them So, uh, we we will change them to a lot. Oh wait. What was your question? You you said I just wanted to clarify that they are in fact just square clara stories Yeah, they're clear. They're square clara story, but we um as discussed before we'll we'll try to make them bigger Yeah, we'll make yeah, I I I kind of disagree with mike and the reason why is because it looks like you have storage units On one side of there. So that may be challenge You know, it's because you have to balance both security and also kind of facade design and uh It may be some we can talk about more in comments I think but um, I just wanted to clarify that those were clara story windows On the ground floor on the airway drive elevation, which it sounds like they are Well, we'll do our best to kind of pair it up because I think the one that is next to the lobby we can We can make that one bigger the ones with the uh Storage units. I I would keep them high and small for security But we'll we'll look at that to make sure we bring the front facade more interest Cool. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Any other questions? Look board. I just want to I just want to drill down just a little bit here on the On that driveway on the front side Was the 20 feet the requirement of the fire department because they don't I drew I'm afraid that they don't think about one way or two way they think about two trucks they think about passing and I and I didn't know further if Staff had any comment on whether or not the landscape planting In the in the in the easement Is something that you typically see I know that it's probably not I don't know if you haven't answered that but I'm just I was just asking the question if you typically see that I'd hate to see this get to a point where 20 feet is the requirement Can't plant in the easement So Not sure what your thoughts are Oh, I don't I don't even know what kind of easement it is and I can I can take a few minutes and find out And we can find out just you know reach out to a couple Other city staff members And and see if we can't get some answers on that I I can review the conditions of approval and figure out what kind of easement that is I know we do see plantings in some types of easements Particularly if it's a sidewalk easement with a planter strip in it Um and then as far as the the driveway width I can easily reach out to the fire department and find out if they would entertain a 14 foot wide looped one-way driveway But it's going to take me 10 minutes if you want to well, I think that from my perspective if we can condition the project that what's shown on the You know, I'm just I'm thinking ahead here if we can condition the project based on a minimum of what's on the plans now and and and And a recommendation a shall or a or you know Add additional landscaping as approved that puts The applicant team in a good position to go ahead and do the work that they need to do anyway with fire And with you know getting getting the project building permits. I'd like to get them out of here It's going to be an issue if it's an issue But it would be nice if we could get through it today. I don't know that we need to know Does that sound right true? I think we can condition a minimum and and then Yeah, I mean, I think we can I think we can find a way to condition it um, that doesn't Tie the applicant's hands and that gives some flexibility to figure out what what fire May or may not accept. I think that may be The pathway forward we I was I was just trying to look through your plan said to see if I The easements were called out and they are not Yeah, so uh, we just We just want to step in and clarify fine on the civil on on the civil plan There's a public utility easement, but we're allowed to have plantings in that um, and yeah, like like you said, we will we'll go back and we'll Talk with fire to see what the minimum is and we'll we'll work with fire to maximize the amount of planning We we will have in the front. Yeah, the only easement. I'm seeing is that seven and a half foot public utility easement I didn't yeah, that was it. Yeah, we're allowed to have plantings in in that easement. So yeah and the In the planting area does extend past the seven and a half pue, but it It doesn't extend far enough past if You know, you were prohibited or something. I guess anyway Uh, okay, any other questions? Okay, thank you applicant team Uh, I think we're done with questions. So appreciate you. Thank you. Uh, you guys can sit down Um, so I'd like to bring it back to the board now and uh, I'll be looking for a motion on the project Now, uh, so if for for those of you don't know we follow Rosenberg's rules Um, so it's a little bit different than roberts rules. So we kind of we make a motion first and then kind of tack on to it um, so with that Looking to the board for a motion on the project and as a reminder We can approve the project. We can deny the project.  So Looking for a motion Make the motion to approve resolution number drb dash 2023-004 the resolution of the design review board of the city of santa rosa granting design review approval for airway self storage dba santa rosa storage located at 33 83 airway drive assessors parcel number 015 dash 670 dash 041 City file number dr 22 dash 018 and wave the reading of the text Thank you. I'm looking for a second now I'll second that. All right. So we have a motion and we have a second. So with that um Let's start With a board member cook for any comments on the project So this is what I would want to see conditioned or any other comments that I have Just any comments you have on the project what you'd like to see conditioned If it and so I'm going to take notes And so for our two new board members, I don't know if you guys went through this Last time because was it a concept? item michael When I when I had to recuse Yeah, I believe it was a concept item. Yep. So yeah, so just as a quick refresher When we condition projects we use shall and consider language So shall is it absolutely must be done or the project will not get approved and consider is uh recommendations to the design team to take a look at Things that would be nice to see but aren't necessarily critical to the success of the project So and then I'll take notes of your comments and then at the at the end We'll kind of read them all again and see where we're at and see if we can come to consensus And then we'll talk with the applicant and see if everything seems amenable to them and then we will likely take a vote and move forward so Does that make sense mike? Cool Um, I guess first I just want to say, you know, I think this is a huge improvement For the property. So thank you for looking into the investment in our community um I do think for more storage just a storage facility. Um, you've done a nice job with the materials and um, the the elevations and um, you know, I I think overall it's really nicely designed project and uh, like I said, I look forward to seeing it happen For me, I think Uh Regarding conditions, I think We should consider some improvement on the lower, you know floor elevation whether that's a glass or texture or You know, maybe even just score lines something along those lines that We'll just give it a little bit more interest Um I think we Shall Request a reduction in the the driveway width Along the front So that more landscaping can be proposed there And avoid the the pue so I wasn't saying that in a pue you could not plant but you I don't believe you can plant trees and so if We that pue pretty much takes up that whole Uh Landscape area then no trees would be there and I think the trees would add the interest along the frontage that You know that would screen the the building frontage a little bit And then um As far as the I'm a landscaper tech so as far as the landscape is concerned the the plant varieties are fine with me um, I Don't see any Varieties on the landscape plan that can be used in the bio filtration or bio retention area in Santa Rosa. We have Just a list like a four page five page list that Um, are the plants are only plants you can use in our storm water Facilities, so I think we shall Require them to use the bio filtration plant list And then Like is that the is that the city of santa rosa plant list l. I. D. L. I. Yes, I thought And um Yeah, chair weigel and yeah board member cook could I interject There is a condition of approval that talks about a planter strip a four foot wide planter strip Along the airway frontage So I I think the trees can go into the planter strip at the street unless it doubles as Bio retention in which case they'd be limited. So I just wanted to point that out Thank you And actually mike while you were talking So in the zoning code 20-36 dot 080 driveways minimum Width of driveway or aisle shall be 12 feet for one-way traffic and 20 feet for two-way traffic Except where parking necessitates a larger backup dimension per table three six Um reductions or modifications may be permitted By a minor conditional use permit. So I think I think there might be some flexibility Within the zone. I mean there's absolutely conflict flexibility within the zoning code But we'll have to double check with fire if they're willing to to reduce that would just be my tack onto that might Thank you Um, and then you know while we were talking about the driveway the other idea I had was potentially, you know If fire needs that 20 foot width you could do that, you know the t turn around idea and then leave some room in the middle for So they should consider that if the 20 foot is required I that that is all I have at the moment And susie just to clarify. Is it a condition in the resolution on that four foot? Already or was that yes, it's in the attached exhibit a from engineering development services Okay, perfect. Thank you. Oh, I see it and is that the um The sidewalk planter strip that's outside of the property line where there's not currently any well It's I think it's actually inside property line. It's in an easement I mean it's looking owned by the I think it's own in looking at the the landscape plan L1 It did it it is outside of the property line. I it looks like it's on the street. Maybe the landscape plan is incorrect If i'm reading it correctly where you see the On the very uh, right-hand side where that says 190 feet and then OH It's outside of the that's the planter strip. You're talking about the way It's four feet unable to be Landed trees I'm pulling up the map to figure out where the property line is Yeah, and applicant you can if you can chime in too you already make you keep running up and back and forth Actually just one second on that. So I was looking at the uh easement dedication and susie. Thanks for pointing that out So it looks like as part of the exhibit The applicant will be required to improve to do a half width street improvement on airway drive as part of the project And that includes from the center line of the road a 12 foot travel lane an 8 foot wide parking lane 6 inch curve and gutter 4 foot wide planter strip 5 foot wide sidewalk and then we've actually hit the property line And then the property line then has the 7 and a half foot Pue so I think susie. Thank you for pointing out the forefoot But the forefoot I think is actually on the city property Yeah, it's city on airway drive not The other direction like I think the board has been talking about I could be wrong But I don't think that was my question about if the plan is correct and and if that is uh, if it is correct and there are trees Proposed in the 7 and a half foot easement And then also in the street planter strip. We're creating multiple and that they're not called out So I'll get into my comments later, but Yeah, if you look at the civil plans It looks like they've they've got the sidewalk improvement But there there isn't anything denoted really for the planting strip. It doesn't look like but I could be missing it Well, it's shown on landscape plan the planter strips on the landscape plane So I think we're talking about two separate things But it's outside of the property line on the landscape plan if you're looking at that Yeah, and it it should be though Based on the but but it well, I'm saying that if uh, we're we're asking You know, Mike was asking about the trees being in the utility and excuse me mentioned that they could be planting the 4 foot strip But the plan that we're looking at there's nothing in the 4 foot strip We got the 7 foot strip. That's an easement Um, and so there's a discrepancy Yeah, I think it's kind of at least what I'm hearing from you guys and correct if I'm wrong is Mike seems to think that perhaps we might not be able to put trees in a pue if that's the case I understand it too. Yeah, so see and you guys are landscape architects is why you're here Um, so if you can't put trees in a pue, where can you put trees? I think is the question, right? And so the question is could we put it in the 4 foot planting strip that Susie identified? Or is there another location outside the pue? to the West effectively and that would require the reduction in the driveway Right, so it's kind of an a or b situation I think if the pue information is correct for what you guys are saying Does that make did I get that? Did I wrap that up pretty good? Okay, cool. All right, Mike any more comments? No, but just to kind of follow up on what was just discussed I believe where you guys landed is correct There should be a 4 foot planter between the curb and the sidewalk that we could plant that we could ask For a condition to be planted with trees And the 5 foot sidewalk and in the landscape area where the landscape architect is showing the trees now So and then I I guess my question to you guys and perhaps staff is If the trees get moved out into the 4 foot planter strip would those trees then be subject To the city of Santa Rosa street tree requirements because that's effectively what that is, right? Okay, so would that change the species of tree that's currently specified? I don't know Not necessarily with the two that they've called out. Okay, but there's the discrepancy of the quirkus which there's Um, no oaks specified, but if you were going to plant a coast live oak street tree, you know Cool. Thanks guys. All right. Thanks, Mike and with that I'm going to bring it back over here to board member Jones Carter for her comments on the project Thank you Um, all right with that. We'll go back over to board member Sharon Great. Thank you Yeah, and once again, thank you for uh for um fielding our questions and being responsive And uh, yeah, um, definitely echo Board member cooks the comments about the improvement that you're proposing here and excited for For the city and excited for your family as well. So thank you for for proposing this. Um, definitely an improvement Um, the architectures is is is very nice. Um, you've you guys have given us a really nice, um Update from what we saw a couple years ago and And listened to our comments then. Um, thank you for that You say The architecture mostly I'm not going to really echo what it what has been, um asked or talked about so far One thing I would like to emphasize though is um, uh You are proposing, you know, you got a single story structure and you're proposing to have a two-story structure And so it's going to be more massing that's along there and it's a very long building on the site And if you look, um, you know when you visit the site if you look on the street view, um, you will see these sides of the building there the, um Southern portion of the site southern. Yeah, southern. Um, you've provided really nice, um Relief it's got, you know, the jog in the building. Um, that's where the entrance is. There's glass. It's great. Uh, the north side, um Is is pretty monolithic In its own way and and so, um having some kind of relief some kind of rhythm going along there Like to to see um something that that could could happen on that side of the building in particular um I would like to um condition, uh Seeing exactly where the bikes are going to go and the bike racks are going to go Is that it's not also not called out in the plans if i'm correct on that um And then uh to continue on the um Um, the landscape, uh Proposal that we've got here. Oh, I guess um materiality to um bravo on that as well. Um, you're okay, Adam Just on the bike thing real quick. Do you have a preference for the location of the bike rack? Uh preference, um, I would like to see them, uh Scattered wherever there's access to the units. So north side you've got access to the units have a bike rack over on that side Um And and you know, obviously at the main entrance and then on the front if there's going to be entrance there too So um scattered around the site because there's multiple access points You know that whole north side is going to be accessed from the ground level someone, you know, not everyone will drive up So um have someone um an area where someone could park their bike and then go into their unit So scattered around would be Yeah, thanks, and you were talking about materials. Sorry to interrupt um, I uh, I appreciate the um the Materiality and the colors that you guys are proposing as well. I think um, you're you're definitely on a good track there um landscape plan One, you know my question before about um Whether this was the final package and what if we're going to see this again too because we're still looking at a conceptual landscape plan That doesn't have a ton of detail And uh, so it's hard. You know one it's it's mainly difficult for us to to give good feedback We like to have things that we can can push against and react Against as well not against react too. So um Because that's helpful. Um It's you know schematic and conceptual Yeah, the uh, you know the the plant palette is is utilitarian but appropriate.  We're really going to go off of the plan. So you've got proposed right now Just the Lagerstremia and the pistache Um, and so that's what we're looking at. You also have this planted the landscape architect has this planted in the bioswales, which is is Uh, one not going to be great for the trees. Um two is going to impact the the functioning of the bioswale because they're there for a reason to filter water and if you have a tree plant in the middle of it's going to impact the The functioning of that. So there's two things you can do you can rethink Um, where the bioswales are? Um, or rethink where the trees are. Um So things to think about there We yeah, we we don't there aren't any um bioswale, um plantings in species called out. Um that what you have here Are bulletproof ground covers. Um, but they're not part of the lid Design species um I will mention that uh As I I want to do that um the crepe myrtles. I love to see different species than crepe myrtles than lagerstremia So thinking about some different varieties there Stash and crepe myrtles are all over everywhere In california the west coast most of the country so um think about some other diversity um The landscape does feel shoehorned in here. Um, I know you're trying to maximize The amount of storage units you're having and the size of the building There and you've got this site that you've got the fire constraints and the drainage constraints But we're trying to squeeze out a little bit more space to get these These things in that that we're hoping to see Because all these requirements that we're working with in the coda requirements. Um, they're for reasons and we uh, you know They're all important concepts to to consider The uh tree plantings in in the utility easement are going to be problematic and then um Yeah wanting to know um, you know With with that that planting strip on the sidewalk there, um, that's great that we have that that planting strip and potentially if You know the the if you can move the trees out into that that does give you more diversity in your Your plantings proposed plantings there. Um, you can spice them up a little bit because it is the front of the the the building And it's where most it's where everyone goes past and drives past if you look on that road. There's it's it's a nice Um, nicely tree lined street. Um, kind of going all around there So really maximizing as leafy as possible and again that helps to break up the massing of what's there Because it is a pretty utilitarian part of town Uh kudos, uh on um keeping and including the caretaker unit love to see that as well. Um So, uh That should that should cover it for me now. I mean Sparks some other things but um, that should do it for me now. Um, again, thanks. Thanks for bringing this and thanks for all your efforts And uh for the great design work that you guys have put in. Um, really appreciate it and thanks for the package Thanks, adam Vice chair birch your comments Yeah echo Everyone's comments about looking forward to seeing this project improve airway drive and and you know, it's always it's been a storage site It's a it's an industrial area. There's a mix of uses. It's become more interesting along airway driving in that area with some You know breweries coming in and there's there's a more of a retail presence And so any of these any of these older industrial uses That improve and we get the street improvements and we get the landscape and we get the updated architecture Um, it just that i'm going to call it that neighborhood though. It doesn't have a lot of residences Uh continues to improve. We're excited to see you get this done So we want to try to help help do that The comment that I have on the architecture relates to that, uh airway facade second level, uh the windows And I understand the difficulty of doing the full length window. That's that's definitely a different construction challenge Um, but it seems to me that we got the two Two windows at the caretaker space We've got the two large windows and then we just stop and I'd like to see that pattern Either finish it doesn't have to be symmetrical. It doesn't have to be another large window and two small windows I'm not all about symmetry and especially in a contemporary sort of, uh, you know, um Utilitarian sense But even even added another window and getting the spacing right so that there's a nice resolution of windows on the facade there Um, it it tends to I don't know we start to look a little bit like a data center when we lose windows on that second level And we don't have larger openings down below Um, not that we're trying to fool anyone that it's not a storage facility But we'd like it to feel like a permeable open You know well lit space so drew we can talk about whether or not, you know, this is a shallow or a consider But I would like to see a resolution of the window Treat of the fenestration as we move to the north end of the building. So Um, I'll leave really all of the comments that have been made about the landscape I think there's a concern that the plan we're looking at today may or may not be able to achieve meeting You know the many demands of fire um Public utility easements getting trees in I would suggest that the forefoot planting strip at the street is is another It's further from the from the building Uh, so it changes the relationship of the trees to the building and screening the building a little bit It gets to be a bit far away if those are the only trees that we can do there and that's just a thought on my that I wanted to add And um It I I feel like I you know, I was hate to make this comment But it seems like there's you know an opportunity of four small units Six medium units and two large units cutting a slice out I'm not a hundred percent convinced that we're not going to need That 10 feet to achieve what we need to achieve at airway drive And I hate to play around with the pro forma on a project because we're the design review board And we don't talk about site plans and we don't talk about you know interior layouts But I'm just afraid if we're going to get to a four foot Planting strip a five foot sidewalk a seven and a half foot pue and all we can have are some trees that are Going to fit into a four foot planning strip I don't know that that's going to be adequate uh for To create this layered screening of the of the two-story building. So You know just I'm concerned that we're going to condition that there's got to be a certain number of trees and a certain size of a landscape strip And that's going to tell you that you need a little bit more space along the front and fire Of course if fire says you can have a 14 foot drive that's six feet that's left there Um To have the pue planted without trees and have decent tree line in that next six feet That sounds like a really really healthy solution to the whole issue So we do talk about needing to talk to fire a lot in these meetings And we'll just see where it goes But I agree with I agree with the team and I just wanted to sort of do my own math backing up to the building As well to just kind of clear my head But thank you for the presentation and look forward to getting this done with you guys Can Chair weigel sure can I um, I pulled up the approved street tree list and I think maybe Maybe we could find with our landscape contractors up there that might be able to find um a recommendation for trees that could be planted in the Planner strip that are maybe a little bit taller than um What's proposed on the plan and might address some of your Your concerns if you want me to read the list I'll let's let's circle back to that. Okay. I think that that's a great idea susie. Um, let's but let's circle back to that I'll keep it up. Yeah, I think that's great um I mean, I I don't have a ton to add um I did have a couple of questions that came to my brain while I was flipping through everything But one thing I think that um that michael kind of keyed off on here is um The the adjacent buildings um Are unique in their own right and and your building is Your proposed building is a is a vast improvement to what's currently there, right? um Because what's currently there is You know old butler buildings basically that are just kind of cobbled together, right? I mean it's it's an Old school storage unit if you will um, but what's interesting about the adjacent properties uh, is On the one hand the property to the south, um has Does in fact have a planting strip Sidewalk and then what appears to be trees in the pu Which uh, it has me had or maybe not maybe it's right outside of the pue But um, what's interesting about that particular parcel is it is it's starting to create that layering a little bit There's some larger trees. They're kind of they're changed in depth a little bit from airway drive And so I'm I'm wondering if maybe we we might want to have a conversation about that um with with susie's inclusion of the the the plant palette from the city, so um, just I guess get your wheels spinning on that one. Um, and then uh My other couple of questions were related to the finish board um And so susie could you bring me the finish board, please? Thank you. Um So if i'm understanding correctly the Agreeable gray is your kind of main body color For all of your stucco, correct? Okay, cool, and then you've got um The metal wood grain finish But it it doesn't look like you've picked a wood species on here Does that make sense like you handed us three samples and there were three different samples, but you guys haven't picked like Maple or oak or what have you so what what species is this shown here? on the Yeah, it it just says metal panel wood grain finish I guess what i'm asking is what is said color? Medium oak okay medium oak all right It's the third chip So it's this guy medium oak awesome. Okay, perfect. Thank you All right, so just so everybody's clear. It is not orange Like on the picture. I think that's Okay, good. It does look nice. Yeah, it's just I think when I looked at these material samples and I looked at the board I was scratching my head a lot. I'm like wait. That's pretty orange looking Yeah, I yeah. Yeah, I'm an architect. I definitely experienced that big time Okay, great. So medium oak we're going to write that down or do I put it? Yes, please Okay No, that's fine Okay, the wrought iron fence I'm just assuming black black wrought iron standard the way it's shown. Okay, cool. Perfect And then the corrugated metal system I remember seeing another color for it, but Old town gray cool. Correct. It's circled right next to it. Okay, perfect Okay, perfect. And then all the windows are just going to be standard anodized aluminum silver. Okay, perfect. And then pv Okay, awesome. Thanks Susie. I appreciate you all right sorry I'm the architect I get to worry about colors I guess So related to finishes The only thing that's not shown on your finish board As silly as this sounds is the trash enclosure and there is a decided lack of information about the trash enclosure. However Based on the small elevation that you've drawn I can interpret that it's a cmu trash enclosure with a roof and I'm assuming that the roof is probably going to be the same color as the The cool the cool gray or whatever the corrugated metal And I would imagine that the sunshade For the parking is also that cool gray, right? So they're kind of so you've got the cool gray on the building You've got the cool gray on the parking and you got the cool gray on the roof for the Trash enclosure, right cool awesome um and then standard cmu split face Split face Just split face kind of like gray color. Perfect. Okay. I think that'll work with the With the gray tones that you have I just I'm trying to get you to I'm trying to get to conditions that we can write down For staff so that when you come in with your final package staff will go great Split face concrete block awesome Cool gray roof awesome, right and they can just go down the list and check everything off all right Yeah kudos on the caretaker unit um You know, we've seen a number of self storage units in the last year and Some of them have caretaker units and some of them don't and particularly because city council has addressed our need for housing every little bit helps so I think um You know your inclusion of a caretaker unit is a is a great decision Um It provides, you know a place for for somebody or or a couple potentially So that's fantastic. My only quibble with the caretaker unit is that I feel like it's Under windowed if you will under daylight um The three window layout that kind of existed in the the 2021 Configuration I think would have put more light into the bedroom, which is nice um So I'm I'm inclined to ask you guys to Reintroduce the three window configuration that was on the December Package and then I think we can have a further discussion about Kind of what's north of the caretaker unit on the second floor in terms of how that window kind of kind of finishes out um and then the other thing that I would encourage and and We'll see how you guys have to make this work But I really liked the shading the whole covered parking scenario Um originally, but I think what might be an interesting option is maybe two Two two, you know Two 10 foot sorry two 20 foot wide shade structures and then um an introduction of a Finger planting um with a tree I think that might be interesting. I don't I don't know what you guys think about that but um that may Because I you met susie you mentioned uh You requested a tree in the parking area, right? They mentioned that Is that correct added a condition of approval so they'd meet the orchard style planting orchard style parking Yeah, so I guess I'm just taking that further with You know put the tree in the middle to meet the orchard style parking requirement and then put two covered parking structures one over your ad a and then one Wherever else you want to put it and you you wouldn't have to mirror it Um like michael was saying you could be asymmetrical with it. Whatever works for you guys But it's the same amount of shade structure From a money perspective one would hope things got one more column maybe The only concern that I would have is that the tree would be too close to the shade structures and could cause problems As it matures So if you could write a condition, maybe no, I don't think so. I mean there's one two three four five six seven There's 12 parking spaces So if they did it on if they bookended it right and put the shed, you know the shade structures on either end and put the tree in the middle I don't think so so not covering all of the parking spaces. Well, I think it's I think it's either or right you you cover all the parking spaces and We wouldn't require the orchard style parking requirement Or you do the orchard style parking and then you kind of bookend your your shade structure I mean Anyway, um, okay, so that's It so i'm gonna try to Read these back and see what the board thinks i'm gonna make a comment on the last item sure go ahead I I'm still looking at the site plan. I'm concerned that we're not going to find a location for a bike rack And I would rather give up the orchard style parking cover the entire Thing and have at the west end of the parking Uh at the west end of the parking have The bike rack there essentially Taking a parking space So adjacent to the trash enclosure Right because this is or in the right or in the right I don't think that the center of the parking strip Is the right place to have bikes at I think that conflict would be there But it seems like I can't find a spot that we're going to stick a trash enclosure or pardon me a bike a bike rack Given given this the five-foot sidewalk around the building and etc. So I would be more willing to sacrifice the orchard style parking and a tree And have and have the bike racks somehow get integrated into the parking and along But I don't know that much about Bike racks and parking right next to one another so and the trash enclosure being where it is makes it a little tough to to bury it at the end so Yeah, I'm not remembering the bike rack requirements off the top of my head right now because you're supposed to have a certain number based on square footage and use But bike racks Are not 18 feet deep right there. They're typically you know about eight to 10 feet depending You know because you got to put your bike and all that stuff But it really depends on what type of bike rack they want to purchase or install. I mean there's Fully enclosed locked bike storage Units there's uh Just you know kind of your run of the mill You know snake s-shaped bike racks. There's some more elaborate ones Um, so really it's up to the applicant in terms of how many they provide as required by code But then also if they infuse a little bit design into it out of their choice But but I actually I agree with you To your point. I was trying to give them some flexibility But yeah Okay, so i'm gonna Try to read some conditions So we'll see how we do and uh So i'm gonna start with the east drive On airway drive so The applicant shall request a reduction In the 20 foot drive running north south on the east facade on the east side of the property To a minimum of 12 feet From the city of santa rosa fire department So I think all we're asking is the applicant to ask to reduce the drive And if fire says no then fire says no Can I read that back? Sure. I think that's it's kind of a quirky one so Shall request a reduction in the 20 foot drive Isle that runs North south on the north side On the airway drive East side east side on the east side. Yeah, thanks Okay, shall request a reduction in 20 foot wide drive lane running North south on the east side To a minimum of 12 feet. I would say east side adjacent to airway drive to a minimum of 12 feet adjacent to airway drive And susie if you wanted to add this to to a minimum of 12 feet per city of santa rosa zoning code 20 dash 36 dot 080 Okay What section was that 20 dash 36 Dot 080 080 080 yeah 20 dash 36 dot 080 Driveways subsection a Okay, does that sound good mic and adam is that kind of what you guys are thinking? Okay. Yeah, let's let's see what else you got. Okay I didn't even say I mean we could I would just like to see it completely Eliminated but Yeah, and I think the problem with that though is You know if we condition it and then they go ask fire and fire says no Then they can't fulfill that condition Whereas if we're telling them that they need to go ask fire to reduce it and we're giving them some parameters That we'd like to see Then that gives them the flexibility to work with the fire department Because I'm a little concerned that if we say eliminate the drive And then fire says nope can't eliminate the drive can't reduce the drive drive must be there And that kind of leaves our app can in a in a tough spot. I guess that's kind of that's how I would think about it If I were the applicant So, okay Okay, so Mike and adam you guys talked about bio filtration and Mikey said shall require bio filtration plants From the city of santa rosa lip lid list Is that correct? I don't know if we have to have that as a condition, but I mean to be approved. They need to they did. Yeah, yeah But I guess I guess my question is From what you saw in the landscape plans Is there a specific species or type of bio filtration you'd like to see? I mean or is it was their lack of information because it was kind of conceptual Conceptual and none of the plants on the plans are on the lid list Okay, I think it's yeah, give me a second real quick I think it's one of those that they're going to be required to meet what's on the lid plant list so I We don't necessarily need to condition Condition that Yeah, I'm just I guess I'm just not seeing it in The planning division Conditions that are in the resolution Any any reference to that I guess That they have to abide by yeah lid Yeah, maybe susie and amy can Speak to that. Yeah susie and amy. Could you guys speak to that? I'm sorry just that we that that the project would would be um that we don't have to condition lid because it's going to be a requirement Correct at the end Correct. Yes. It's it's a requirement and lid requirements are probably already in the exhibit a The project's likely already been conditioned And as far as the plants plants in um bioretention areas Those will be reviewed in compliance with the the allowable species When the the plans are submitted and though. Yeah, all all of those planting plans get reviewed Oh, it I see it. It's in uh, it's an exhibit a thanks susie. I was I didn't Swipe far enough Okay, okay, uh, so next condition would be shall provide bike storage And locations. Yeah, and I heard from adam That you wanted it scattered Near access to units, but I think michael brings up a good point We've only got a five foot sidewalk around the building. So perhaps the bike storage needs to be centrally located and so Should the bike storage be centrally located? Directly adjacent to the trash enclosure Or should it be directly adjacent to the front entry? Or another option that you guys would like to look at I think I think michael's onto something with um the thought um and uh I don't I don't feel a need to um to make that choice for them I think that they should evaluate and see what the best spot is. Maybe one will rise to the top Okay, so Why don't we say shall provide bike storage location? centrally located adjacent to Office entry Or near near near you're right adjacent is little a little too definite near Office entry you got that one Yeah, that one was easy. Thank you That's a really good question um Go ahead and ask yeah ask that so that so the public can hear also. We have to do the microphone. Okay um Was wondering if we could stipulate if the bike storage should be covered or not I want to point out that um zoning code table three dash four that requires bicycle storage Says that no no bicycle storage is required For self storage facilities. However, that said it's fine to to add bike storage as a condition But just keep that in mind And you know making something cost prohibitive so But that is an excellent point I'd be careful like saying bike storage Um, maybe bike parking or oh, yeah bike rack. Maybe bike rack bike rack. No bike parking bike parking You're right bike parking. Oh, and I found it Three dash four automobile on bicycle bicycle parking requirements by land use type Self storage none required It does say however Two spaces required for manager or caretaker so Because it's absent of the table Should we define a number? Or no Susie, what do you think? I think you can Um, okay. I was going to look at the uh the table here real quick I mean so warehouse is one space for 14 000 square feet self storage unit. It's basically a big giant warehouse Um, so how many square feet is your facility? 60 000 So that's what six spaces if we round down I think that I yeah, I I would Warehouse is a different kind of view so warehouse has employees That are coming and going I think that there's a reason that there's no requirement for Bicycle parking at self storage unit Although I will say that but when this was written And the reality now that people are riding their bicycles very definitely more I think it's reasonable to request a few I think six might be I don't I still don't think that they're the same use So using that as your role model may not be the best Role model. No, I yeah, I don't disagree Susie. I just was Just looking at the table and trying to find you know somewhat of an equivalency I mean it looks like in the table the largest square footage is 14 000 square feet per Bicycle parking space as I scroll down it, but I think to your point Self storage is an intermittent visit So what do we feel about two two bicycle parking spaces? Two two we like to do you guys like to Okay, awesome. Okay, so we got two conditions So adam I was I was trying to write down some information about what I think was a consider regarding tree plantings In bioswales, would you want to take a stab at that condition? I think I consider moving relocating or adjusting Design of bioswales and tree tree placement. I don't know does that sound right to you Uh, it's it's more about the tree placement than the bioswales placement. So Um, but I think that the consider is Yeah Do you want to take a stab at writing the the condition? Uh, I I think that you you're you had a good start there. Could you reread that for me? Yeah, I was just I was saying consider relocating Or I would actually I would say consider adjusting tree placement within proposed bioswales Maybe I don't know Well, it's hard just planting trees in the bioswales is No, no Mike, do you have any input done trying to craft a good condition for this too? Uh, there there are trees on the center of the lid list um, so I think just selecting The tree species from the center of the lid list would I mean be appropriate. So do we Not the species that they have on the plan So just so yes follow our you know, so actually so what id requirements? Potentially maybe I mean, I guess you guys are more the expert on this than me but Is the planting of a tree in a bioswale A best practice no no or is it a code no no and that that I think maybe that's The question I would have about that I don't think the code speaks to it So and that's that's my point. So if it's a staffer that yeah, so if it was a code issue Then I don't think we would necessarily need to condition it But if it's a best practice no no, then I think We perhaps should provide some guidance on that and that may be Shall provide Tree from center was an lid in bioswale. I mean, I don't know. What do you guys think about that? Mike I think it's the Lid area is the only area to plant a tree on this on the site that that's so Packed with pavement and building that the only area to put a tree is in the lid We want trees on the back Yeah, I think we condition a planting of a tree species from the lid list In the in the bioswales on the west side of the property I think that would be I mean, this is something that the landscape architect is going to have to Noodle over a little bit and I think that that's a good some good direction. It keeps it specific but general to say plant an appropriate tree species in In that from this list because and then it fits into that rubric of the lid Yeah, and I think you hit it because we're saying You need to have those you need to have trees on the On the west boundary at the north and south corners They need to and we don't need to say anything beyond that. It means that if if There's a pushback about what tree is planted there. You can't say great. We'll just eliminate the trees So we just want to say you're required to have a tree in this location They're already required through the conditions to work from the lid list. We don't need to get real specific about it. So Makes sense shall Shall maintain trees at the On the West boundary of the property at the north and south corners and then they've got to work from lid and we're saying don't don't eliminate The trees out of convenience keep trees. We want them there So how do you want to write that? You want to say shall shall provide tree per conceptual landscape plan at north and south of west property boundary Tree species to be selected from city of san rosa lid list and to specify the The lid Ground covers and shrubs everything too the plant species from from that list for the bioswales Well, I don't do separate things. Yeah, I think they're two Separate things. I don't know. What do you guys think? I think we could do up together if you just said There's when you want two trees And we want the plant species to be from the lid manual Okay, that's okay. So all right. Let me try take another stab at this all right, so Shall plant two trees at north and south bioswales on west property boundary All plant species in bioswales Shall be from the city of san rosa lid list I can't type that fast on this little keyboard. I'm sorry. It's okay. So shall plant two trees at north and south north and south bioswales on west property boundary per conceptual landscape plan bioswales of the west property boundary per Conceptual landscape plan Mm-hmm All tree and plant species in these bioswales Shall be from the city of san rosa lid list Get that I think so I know I saw the transcription too. Yeah, I'll repeat all of them back to you after we're done And if we need to edit any of them we can Excellent. All right, okay So I was going to do one kind of catch all finish Um condition just because there's a little bit of lack of clarity On the boards. So what I was going to say was Shall provide building building finishes per Sheet a 600 Which includes agreeable gray As the stucco finish Old town gray As the corrugated metal finish On the building south facade Trash enclosure roof And parking shade structure roofs metal panel wood green finish To be medium oak medium oak and then Rot iron fencing to be Manufacturers standard black And then everything else is pretty clearly identified You said what black standard manufacturers standard black That way they can just go buy some black fence and put it up You just notice it's eight feet high Are we cool with that? We cool with eight feet Okay, cool We're cool with eight feet, by the way. All right You have all that Susie? Okay Shall provide Trash enclosure plan And more detail For final submission Trash enclosure shall be Split-faced CMU block And then were you guys going to use metal gates? You think okay cool And metal gates to match roof finish That's not good. Just gray gray To match the trash enclosure roof finish Split-faced CMU block Yeah, I think I have two more conditions. No, maybe three. I think I've got three From what I heard All right, you ready for the next one Susie? Okay All right At Southeast corner of building on second floor Shall provide Three-window vertical pattern As submitted in 1216 2021 Concept design set Yeah The date the date's different from the actual meeting. So hang on I'll use the meeting date if that's all right. Yeah, the meeting date was 1216 2021 I think but the date on the plan set is 10 18 2021 if that helps It's also attachment six for this meeting The concept plan set Ready? Okay. So Michael I'm going to turn this one over to you. Um I heard a consider I think on this one, but you can tell me if I'm wrong But consider The airway facade the east facade changes. I'm gonna let you tackle that one consider additional windows from The Vertical windows at caretaker unit to the north corner On the east facade second level Back up again. We can we can use some of that consider additional windows on the north end of the east elevation That may be it consider additional windows to the north end of the east elevation on the second level With the idea being that we balance out the windows and have a more complete There is a window on the north facade on the second floor right But I think you just talked finish it up on the east facade. Yep So just can I repeat that one back really quick? Consider additional windows on the north end of the east elevation of the second level Right All right, perfect And just because we had a discrepancy on this one I just want to clarify it to make it easy for the for staff Shall provide decorative metal green screen in locations shown on a 200 Just because there's some renderings that don't have it and some 3d renderings that have it missing and stuff like that That one sound good Mike I wanted to I want to turn this one back to you to try to see if you could maybe Add your thoughts on this you you talked a little bit about The east facade the lower area With the clear story windows, but then also I think adam mentioned this too also the kind of the flatness of the north facade behind the The the the metal The the wood the wood finish metal You want to take a stab at that? You think it you think it's a consider that they Try to see if they can work something out or would you rather Make it something they have to do Well, I actually am looking at a 200 It does look like they have some score lines or some Reveal on the lower levels. So I think that would Satisfy what I said Just I think maybe the elevations don't show it or there was something that what I didn't see And so if we can the lower floor can be the low, you know the way that it's shown on a 200 I think that'd be fine Okay, and then the one thing I am missing is obviously I think there's a lack of tied to that. There's a lack of Definition on the stucco areas in terms of like control joints and stuff um I think that might help it's certainly going to help the south and west facades But then I think I still have some Concerns about that north facade. I know adam certainly did But I think mike's got one So we've we've addressed the score lines on the lower area on the east. It's shown We're comfortable with that Yes, yeah any additional windows in that or are you guys okay with that now? Kind of worked through it. Okay, cool So then uh, maybe the the condition for the west and the south elevation Could be shall include Stucco control joint layout similar Sorry Shall include stuck on control joint layout on south elevation and west elevation Similar to east elevation Can't exceed 144 square feet anyway 12 by 12 Okay, and then adam. Did you have any thoughts on that north elevation one? How to maybe condition that? um Well, um, it seems like you you also had some concerns about that as well I don't think you mentioned that um, yeah, I mean they they're introducing the cosmetic windows, but you know on the other side They've got the green screen, um, you know just figuring out some way to to um Condition a Consider for that I would see it as a consider. Do you see it as a shell? I mean It's this is tough. I think for me Because you know, I think the east elevation is pretty successful I think the south elevation is pretty successful and the west elevation is pretty successful um But in our design guidelines, we have four-sided architecture as one of the the the big the big elements and uh I think i'm just there's just a Pretty significant flatness um To that north elevation um Granted it is You know, you're just going to drive by it. There's not I don't know. I don't I don't know how to solve it. Um, I I certainly don't want to I certainly don't want to add cost to the project because You know, we kind of talk to us already cost being what they are um So maybe it needs to be a consider um and give them the flexibility to Either create relief or introduce Uh, maybe the metal panel the corrugated metal panel So they're pulling from their palette. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think introducing anything else. Yeah, I mean some of the metal panels potentially something with the wood somewhere, um But uh, but I also don't want to net just design it for them. So like and so it's And that's why I I could see it being a consider of adding adding relief through. Yeah, I think materials palette Yeah, okay. So I think maybe take let me take us All right, let me see if I can okay consider adding additional additional architectural definition to north elevation either through use of materiality change or materiality change or uh Or massing relief Is that okay? It's that's general enough. Yeah, it doesn't require them one way or the other. We're not saying change of massing Yeah, it's just it's real flat. Yeah, it's a lot of flat Yeah, um, okay But we what your language sounded good to me Oh, uh, I guess the one thing we haven't talked about is the front planting We kind of we talked about how to The road but not the plantings um You guys want to take a stab at the the pewee and Well, one thing I noticed um from street view was that you have overhead utility lines and so You know, we really are limited to any I mean, there's only a few trees that we can plant under utility lines So That would be a crepe myrtle That chain is pistache Which are both proposed on the landscape plan Susie do you want to um Tell us what other trees we can plant in a four foot wide Planter, but yeah, this this would be a good time to talk about the the list that we I told you we'd come back to it um one once again, um You know not designing it for them of choosing and mandating a tree species I think that the onus is on them to to say we we have these these thoughts they need to re-evaluate Rather than we're saying plant. Yeah, so I guess I'm trying to find a way to condition that Because I kind of heard three different things from the board The first thing I heard was creating depth and relief From a planting perspective Michael kind of talked about that like because street trees create kind of one kind of You know pedestrian centric Scale and depth and then if you have some space and then another planting area Beyond the pui or even in the pui that creates additional depth, right? I kind of heard that from from from you all um, so I'm wondering Uh, I'm wondering if if the board wants to Provide a requirement for street trees in addition to um The depth of planting I guess along airway or be more general and See how the fire department thing shakes out. I just I don't know how you guys are feeling about it. So I do think some of that is going to be dependent upon the other discussions that are happening around this front area I agree with that. I I also think that um you know With the way it's currently laid out at least on the lansky plans I don't believe we'll be able to plant those trees there. So I think they should move to the The the planter strip behind the curb between the sidewalk and curb at a bare minimum Right is that over here? Okay. So maybe maybe there's two conditions that's related to this. So one condition is Shall provide street trees In four-foot planter strip per city of santa rosa street tree Requirements that's one right. That's one condition of approval and then the second one be consider additional tree planting on property pending review of reduction of a driveway Is that say tree tree and landscape planting tree tree and landscape like Michael mentioned if we have more space You know jazz it up a bit more Did you get both of those Susie? One of them is already in the exhibit a for the street trees. That's a standard condition of a troop of approval under parks and recreation um, and then the other one No Totally okay Yeah, it's a good point that it's an exhibit. I think The reason why I I wanted to add a condition to it is because we don't have street trees shown on any conceptual plan They will be required to put that. Yeah, and the other thing I want to point out too is there is a condition about undergrounding new Utilities, I don't know if the overhead wires Will be considered new service to a new building or not. So there is Some yeah, it's a it's a little confusing There so there may be There may be an opportunity and there may not be an opportunity there. So And I'm I do have the street tree list up if you want to be more specific about what types of trees, but Okay, I'm going to close it. Okay, cool. Thanks Yeah, I think I think these these guys are trying to give the applicant some flexibility to pick what works You know from a cost perspective and a design perspective Um, so the second one so the shall we don't need to do and the consider would be consider additional planting and trees pending Reduction of East property Drive aisle Say pending potential pending potential reductions. Yeah, depending on what fire says. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then the last one it was michael's In terms of Striking the requirement for orchard style parking And instead requiring all parking to be covered Correct I can eliminate that orchard style parking that I added on to the resolution. I can just strike that And then you can just write one condition for the um covered parking. Yeah Okay, so I think we'd like to strike item nine on the conditions of approval and then Do you want that to be a shall or a consider for the parking? I think it's I think it's a consider. I mean, I think that I got going down the road of let's get the bike parking Near the front entry and potentially under covered parking. I would rather see the space used So rather than worrying about how much covered parking there is for me. I would rather see The space that's left over or could be Could be used near the entry for the bike parking rather than orchard style parking That's so I don't know that I have an opinion one way or the other as to how much the parking should be covered I think let's go back to that. Um condition we wrote about the bicycle parking I think I think we can solve it all there Um, can you reread that to me susie? The one that was easy Shall provide two but two bicycle parking now shall provide two bike parking spaces Located centrally near the office entry No, that is to be its own thing. Sorry. I was trying to I was trying to kill too many birds with one stone. Yeah, I I'm not I I'm really ambivalent about how much covered parking there is outside of what they need to do per code I was mostly interested in swapping the Orchard style spate, you know Orchard finger for The bike parking I'd rather see the bike parking which I think we've already done. Okay. Cool All right. I think That is it Unless anybody can think of an additional condition that I left out Sorry, there's so many That's okay. I just want to clarify. Did we want to eliminate the orchards the tree in that parking area? We do want to strike that I'm not sure that it lends to the project I would be in agreement with that everybody everybody else I'm okay with that I I think it's a good strike. So that works. I was the one who added it in So, yeah, we're just gonna we're gonna strike item nine and the conditions of approval and renumber accordingly Okay, so just one more pass any other thoughts Okay I think we're ready to read them back and then Talk to the applicant Make sure they everything works for them Okay. All right. Here we go starting at the top Shall request a reduction in 20 foot drive aisle that runs north south on the east side adjacent to airway drive to a minimum of 12 feet per zoning code section 20 36 point 080 Consider additional planting of trees pending potential reduction of east property Drive aisle I have to Is that I would just say east to drive aisle Perfect. Yeah, not property. Yeah east to drive aisle Shall provide two bike parking spaces located centrally near office entry Shall plant two trees at north and south bioswales of the west property boundary For the conceptual landscape plan all tree and plant species shall be from the City of Santa Rosa LID list Shall provide building finishes per sheet a 600 which include Agreeable gray as the stucco finish old town gray as corrugated metal finish on Building south facade Trash enclosure roof and parking structures Metal panel wood grain finish to be medium oak and rod iron fence to be manufacturer's standard black Shall provide trash enclosure plan in more detail for final submittal Trash enclosure shall be split faced CMU block With metal gates to match trash enclosure roof finish At southeast corner of building second floor shall provide three window Vertical pattern as shown in plan set submitted for concept design review On december 16th 2021 in parentheses dated October 18th 2021 Consider additional windows on north end of the east elevation of the second level Shall provide decorative metal green screen in locations shown on a 200 Shall include stucco control joint layout on south and west elevation similar to east elevation Consider adding Additional architectural definition on north elevation either through use of materiality change or massing relief How'd I do? I think that's good. So if the applicant could go Up to the podium there So so the kind of the cool thing about design review board. I think So, you know, we have all these opinions and thoughts based on our design guidelines Um, but if something doesn't work for the applicant, you know, we're flexible in terms of You know, hey, this isn't going to work because of code. Hey, this isn't going to work because of cost Hey, this isn't going to work for whatever reason Generally speaking So anyway, so we'd like to know your thoughts about kind of the conditions that we put together for your project And if they make sense to you if there any that Kind of scream like, ah, no, we can't do it That'd be good to know. Yeah, we're in a green with the conditions here Yeah, pretty much all of them. Excellent. Yeah, awesome. Thanks So with that I guess we're maybe ready to go to a roll call vote I think we need oh, we need to amend. Yes. Yes. So I need a friendly amendment to amend the motion Per what Susie read So I'll move to Prove the additions to the motion Add the friendly amendment as a friendly amendment. Yeah Cool. So then we ask the motioner. Do you do you agree with the friendly amendment? Yes, I accept the friendly amendment and the seconder. Do you agree with the front amendment? I do Excellent. All right. So we have a motion And some amendments And so we'll go to a roll call vote. So I'll turn it over to the recording secretary Board member cook. I Board member jones carter Yes Board member sharon. Hi Vice chair birch. I Chair weigel I So this passes with five eyes and Board member with rich is absent Excellent. So unanimous. Yes. Thank you applicant We appreciate your time and look forward to seeing your project and hopefully You know, it'll be standing for 30 40 50 years and it'll be a nice addition to to our city Because from what I understand self-storage is the largest growing industry in the united states So that's very cool. So thank you very much. Thank you for working out those conditions right on the fly. We appreciate it Oh, excellent. Thank you so much. Yeah, a lot of work on everyone's end. Thank you It's like we did it's like we did a design shred or something. I guess I don't know excellent. Thanks guys and uh Just so you know, um, all you'll have to do now. You've got conditions so Kind of fix your plans and submit them to susie and you'll be off to the races. So thank you So with that We are moving to item nine, which would be adjournment But I want to take a pause because I forgot to mention this earlier under board business Shame on me. Um But since we are the design review board, I thought I'd mention That the american institute of architects redwood empire chapter design awards submissions Are in the gallery above us And in the council chambers here. So that's pretty cool They've been on display for a couple of weeks, I think and they'll be on display. I can't remember till when So come down to city hall and and check out the design review Or the design awards boards And then all the winners are posted on the american institute of architects redwood empire chapter's website A google search will get you there So that's pretty cool that they're up there. I figured we we should mention that since we're a design review board All right, so with that we are at item nine Adjournment and we stand adjourned