that are kind of private in the background that don't really do anything in terms of maybe asking the question or they just watch. So all the mods got together. We were talking about this. We had this little group chat and we were talking about this where we were like, dude, we got to do something about this. It's got to improve for the members because it just is very, very redundant. So we decided that the best direction is going to be now every second and fourth Saturday of the month. So it's going to go two times a month, guys. Two times a month now, not every single week, but two times. And it will be video-based. So we are going to do a live video-based mentoring session. Now here is the really, really, really cool part, okay? It's not just us talking, all right? Fernando or El Duderino, basically the coder mastermind of MIC, designed a page that I will release the link to in main chat after this webinar is over, because again, this is a public webinar. I will release that link in chat after all this is done. The link is going to be able for every single member in MIC to submit their charts or to submit their questions. Now all of the moderators are going to monitor that chart submission page. We have a backend tool now that when you submit your chart, we see the chart submissions immediately after you enter it, okay? Now we are going to review those. And we are going to pick from those topics. And then the topics that we see from those submissions, you know, it could be like, there's needs to be more, like zombie rule, okay? We need a little bit more clarification on zombie rule. We're going to go into such depth for you guys. It's like, I know it's, and Joe, let me say this, because I know guys like we did every single week in the past, man, but dude, I'm telling you, man, they were so redundant because the MIC process, guys, when you understand it, it's the same answers every time. There's no secret sauce, man. It's line in line. It's risk management. And we tell you how to follow trend and we tell you where to hit the charts. If you follow MIC process on the long and short side, guys, the answers are the same every week.  There's going to be three different moderators there every single time we have a session. Yup. They will rotate. Okay. The moderators will rotate it will not be the same three every single time. There will be participation from every single moderator. And we now have, I believe 24 or 25 moderators. There will be a rotation basis on the moderators that come to it. And of course, any other moderators that want to come in on that Saturday and just be there, they can be there, but there will be ones that get rotated around and each person will come into it and be responsible for answering questions and helping choose topics for the week. Now here's the best part about this. Okay. The best part, the next two best parts about this is you get to vote as a member. You get to vote on the topics. So the moderators will pick a list of the topics from the chart submissions and questions that we get submitted. Then we will put that into MIC into Slack and members get to vote on it from Wednesday to Friday at midnight from Wednesday to Friday at midnight. And then whatever topics are the highest, oh God, whatever topics are the highest voted topics based on Dominion's results. I'm just getting MIC members votes. Those will be the topics that get discussed. Now let's go one step further. One step further. This is not just going to be moderators talking. Okay. There will be a distinguishment between monthly annual and lifetime member submissions. If you are an annual or lifetime member and you submit your chart, your chart is chosen as one of those charts that we discuss and your topic is one of those that we discussed. You will have an opportunity to come on the mic with us and ask additional questions and get that one-on-one mentoring time with every single person that's in there in that Zoom webinar chat at that very instant. So if you're an annual lifetime and you want that extra help from everyone, Saturday is going to be the time to be able to do that. Joe, let me interject here and say, guys, I was not kidding you. Bro, I've been teasing for the last like four weeks on how much we're going to do for you guys in 2021. And again, man, I'm not bullshitting when I say, dude, annual and lifetime memberships are so much more exclusive. Dude, I'm telling you, if you guys want the true, like the true mentorship MAC, there's a lot in the monthly, but do the annual and lifetime if you have the necessary. So I'm telling you, man, we go above and beyond for every tier or every package, but bro, again, if you're an annual lifetime member and you've committed more to us, we are going to go that extra step, man. You do have extra perks. And so now we're introducing those, but dude, this can be epic for everybody, man. This is literally going to change the game. It's going to be an hour long as they usually are. Now, the first 30 minutes of the webinar in the mentoring session is going to just be the Q and A about the topic of discussion. The topic or topics, just depending on the votes. Next 30 minutes after that will be the charts that we choose from those submissions to be able to review.  I'm going to argue that maybe 90 to 100 of that 2000 are consistent and the rest are inconsistent, searching for consistency. Yeah, they're on their way.  You hinder yourself by going down these rabbit holes and asking questions about things that don't matter to your success. It's pointless knowledge. It's pointless knowledge. And so the purpose of the mentoring sessions is to condense all of that, be concise in the coaching, be concise in the mentoring, be concise in every single walk of life in our trading and everywhere else direct and to the point. And we don't answer 46 questions that are all about the same topic. Yeah, dude.   Especially in the morning, like the immediate morning. And guys, a lot of them are the same questions. Now, all these are going to be answered in almost a webinar form in depth, dude. And we're here to abolish all those, those things that you have to unlearn of like, hey, Tosh, dude, you know, oh my God, I'm almost on the way to profitability, man, but I got to figure out dark pools. That's going to save me. I got to figure out level two, bro. We're going to give you the real deal, man. Absolutely. Yep. It ain't dark pools, bro. That's keeping you from consistency. Yeah. The market makers are not keeping you from consistency. You see your heart stops is not the problem, bro. Yeah. Like hard stops are not the issue. Market makers are not the issues. Yeah. Oh, man. The stream is too blurry. Are you streaming in 1080p? I should be. You just did the same as every week. Who said it was blurry? Oh, no, it streams in 720. I have no idea. Asking. That's what Zoom streams in for some reason. I don't know why it streams that way, but it's stream, it always streams in 720p. I don't know why it doesn't stream in 4k, but I mean, I'm looking at the YouTube and it looks pretty clear to me on my end, but some guys are saying it's fine on, I mean, I just did exactly what we do every week. You guys can see. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Every now and then, somebody is going to have, you know, that connection on your end and you just need to check the, check that. But I mean, it's 720p. It's not, it's not super clear, but you know, this happens mostly from Wi-Fi. Yeah. It's 720p. You notice how, isn't that funny how when we're like, yeah, it's only 720p. It's not 4k. Like we're so spoiled. Dude, listen to this dude. I'll never forget. I was in high school as a freshman and like, I've always like made money in funny ways, man. Like I did like acting as a kid and this and that and stuff. And I always had like money, right? And like, I would just buy things, right? So I remember going to Best Buy Dude when I was like a freshman, I was like 13 years old, dude.  It was like 27 to 32 inches. And I thought it was everything in the world, bro. If I were to see that today, dude, you couldn't give that away to garage sale versus what? Bro, for real.  I remember, oh, that's why I brought it up, dude. I dropped like $2,000 on it, dude. Like that's why I brought that whole thing up. I dropped like $2,000, dude, on a 720. Like whatever they were called, they were called like LCDs back. I can't even remember what they were called, but it was like 32 inches, bro. You can get an 85 inch like Samsung these days for that 4k. That's freaking hilarious. It's unreal, man. People are like, dude, all the people that complain, there's no opportunities out there. I'm like, dude, if you have an iPhone, bro, you can figure out how to make money. You're connected to the entire world through an iPhone, bro, not even just trading. You're literally connected to the entire world. Go figure out how to make money. Crazy, man. But yeah, so guys, any questions on? Give me two minutes here. Y'all flood us with your questions. I got to make a bottle. You know what? You got to make a bottle and give it to the baby. Hang on. Oh, I was like, I was like, Joe, dude, put down the booze, man.  We're giving a what? I was like, hold up, I got to get a bottle. Easier recipe. What'd you guys trade today, man? Do you have any questions about kind of like, dude, today sucked ass, man. Today for, if you were a short seller today, bro, this is pretty much the handpicked tickers that you had today. And this is what I call just an anchor day where like, if all of these were sailboats or everything, bro, they all threw the anchor and sunk like nothing popped, nothing caught a tailwind and gave us an entry.   These were all my levels from the morning that I wanted them to pop up to and scale. I don't really trade after the first hour, which this was zombie and then into my line, which I wanted over here. So arguably this maybe chase a death candle, but like, dude, slim pickings today, bro. And that's the thing about trading is you guys are going to understand, man, that not every day dude is going to be a home run. If you're some days where you make four grand, there's some days where you make $4, dude, it's just how it is, bro. That's how trading is.  But like the days that you don't have a trade, it's better not to force and preserve that mental capital than risk hurting that mental capital.  And that's the whole thing about trading is not only knowing what to attack is knowing when to attack because dude, today was just not a day where you push on the short side, at least with, at least with small caps. I mean, you know, Joe could say there was probably a ton of opportunity in big caps, which I wasn't paying too much attention today too, but when it came to small caps today, man, it was Sloan Pickens. It really was. It was kind of one of those days. Oh, I almost forgot I had some tea by my side. Hold on, let me get some tea. Zombie is an account saver. Yeah, man, I'm telling you, dude, I only trade the first hour of the day, man. After the first hour of the day, I will every now and then probably only two or three times a week, three at the most. We'll come back for reversal hour if there's something good. When it comes to bullets jackpot, it depends. So this is actually a good question. Let me find you an example. Let's see. I mean, Todd, there weren't great examples today, but let me show you. So if something was trading on VWAP or near it, and I'm using something like outer lines, right? On say, you know, say a 30% move above VWAP, this is where I'm using less. So let me, let me kind of show you how this works. So this is what I do. I will hit on outer lines, right? I will use three bullets within here. So like, you know, obviously you do it 33%, 33%, 33% if you went exact share count, sometimes within that 30% rule, I actually go up in size. So I'll just, I'll just do a small number so you guys can follow me, but say your max size was 1500 shares. I'm talking 500, 500 and 500. Do you see what I'm saying? So say, say your max size of, of, and again, if it's overview of the 30%.  I don't know, but that 30%, wherever you want to equate it to, everybody's different. I use three bullets on above VWAP. And sorry, that's the one where I use the most. I actually only use one or two under VWAP, but I hit harder. Does that make sense? I go 50 and then 100. So when it comes to some, God, there's just no examples, say, but say, when me was opening up down here and VWAP was the outer line, right? So say like, I'll just kind of draw, you know what, hold on. Let me blow this up to a bigger chart so I can really show you one second. Um, when me is the best example, I guess I could theoretically show. Let me show you this. Let me just remove everything. So you guys get that I use three to four bullets on the way up. But if I get my, if I get my setup that I love my number one setup, right? Say this was the open and this is the, this is VWAP. Say it's trading way under VWAP, bro. Like this is the open and, you know, this is still the pre-market high price, bro. I'm literally hitting almost 50% of my size right here and up to 100 of my size at VWAP. If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, I can't explain this enough, if there's a lot of meat to come down, my size and those two bullets usually two, maybe three of the most usually two bullets, which will be 50% and 100% will be only if there's a ton of room to come down. This would have had nice room to come down. Um, theoretically, if this was where the open is and it hit these levels, I think we could have gotten a nice move out of that. If there's not a lot of meat to come down, I might only use dude, like 30%, you know, six, so again, man, every trade is different. Every chart is different. That's more of a general way to describe it. I hope that's clear. But again, meat is everything, bro. So if I'm over VWAP and it's 30% level, I'm using three to four. I'm hitting nibblers, dude. I'm hitting nibblers because nibblers, have we ever used that term? Copy right that right now. I'm using nibblers above VWAP into those outer lines, like on something like Acor, because bro, if I, if I'm in 30% size, I'm like, say three ads, so get in, get in again, get in again.  I'm going to cover half of that. Now that we're under VWAP, I'm thrown on the house if there's meat to come down. But if we're starting way under VWAP and it's going towards VWAP, bro, there's two things that you have to consider. If it's a decently-sized float, if it's super broken under VWAP, and if there's a ton of overhead and lastly, the best part, if there's a ton more meat to come down, I'm hitting hard under VWAP. It's already under VWAP. It's already broken. If something is taking the attention away from it, oh fuck, I forgot this is a free webinar.  Dude, I always forget.  I'm going to zip my lips, but you guys got a pretty, you got a decent understanding right there. Fuck, man. I always forget. Yeah, you had a pretty clear strategy, brother. Bro, I'm like, here's my entire strategy, brother. There's everything. I always forget, man. Dude, you just reminded me of Michael Scott when he's negotiating with Daryl about his paycheck and he's like, take control of the conversation by mumbling at the end of your sentence. Bro, it's like Tom Petten or whatever this Spider-Man actor, whatever his name is. And he's like, he's always telling everybody like interviews before the movie release. Like, yeah, dude, the main characters died. Don't even need to go see the movie now, man. Now, if you got, here's the thing, here's the thing about these webinars, man. We're here to provide content, dude. I'm nice, dude, man.  But again, dude, you're not just going to understand how to trade just from these webinars alone. There is so much within this that once you sign up, you are literally going to get, if you learned one thing from this webinar, imagine if you had our 1000 plus video library list. Imagine if you had our accelerator course. Imagine if you had our course that takes you from long trades to short trades to swing trades to every kind of trade, our options series. Like there's so much value at MIC, dude, no matter how much value you get in, you know, these Wednesday webinars, which maybe you do, maybe you don't. It's up to you.  Think about becoming a member and how much you'd get there. Does that make sense? But again, as always, I give away too much.  I don't have to join MIC.  You see, Mr. Powers, I love gold. Oh, see ya, Kyle. The accelerator course is going to be your best bet, man. If you're brand new and you need a full, thorough description on how to trade, brother's no better. Joe created this, took him six months. This is everything in a nutshell, dude. I'm telling you, this is what you need if you're brand new. And this is where you should start. So if you're a brand new member to MIC and you have one thing to do, it's watch this two times before you ask any question to anybody. It's watch this two times. Then you blow up RPMs if you want to or the weekend mentoring.  I'll be like, bro, you got to accelerate, of course. I'll be like, I will bend over backwards to help you once you watch the accelerator course. Dude, look at this. Look at this tessery thing, bro. Look at this. Hold up. Wait a minute. Since we were given this webinar, man. What's it doing? Oh, man, it's at 854 already. Oh, nice. My computer keeps freaking, dude, these webinars are so extraneous on my computer, man. It's crazy. One sec. Oh my God, I think I'm freezing. I might have to close the TV.  It just, it just blew out, man. Damn. Yeah, whatever. Joe, let's talk about psychology, man. We do so many charts every single week, bro. We do so many charts. Let's talk about some psychology stuff. And if people have questions about charts, I've got charts open on my end and I can just paste this screenshot. Yeah, dude, Zim just gave me the kibosh on the TOS, man. Does anybody have questions on psychology? Does anybody, like, we don't, we tackle psychology a lot, but we're usually showing you guys how to draw the lines, which we already did through, like, the first half of this webinar. What do you guys want to talk about as it relates to being the trader? What it means to be a trader? What it means to be consistent? What it means to do hard stops? Like, like FOMO or then straight chasing, like, are these the kind of things that you're struggling with? We can dive into that. Or we can talk about the state of the markets in which Joe and I love to rant on. Joe, what do you think about this market, dude? Remember what I said last week where I said, I don't think a bear market's coming and I think they're going to do whatever they can. It's just like now we're here in just a 12-year span and we'll go into 13 and 14 before we ever get a correction. And then the correction that we get, bro, is probably going to be where the highs are now. And that's the quote, quote, crash that people will be waiting for. Yeah. I don't think that it's going to, my fear is with this impeachment stuff is that Trump is going to, like, yank the market around with him. You think so? And so, like, I just started, I trimmed down pretty much everything I have. And I think there's going to be a correction, but I don't think we're falling into a bear market by any means. It's just going to prop up and prop up and prop up and prop up. But I mean on a weekly timeframe, I'm kind of like, I would love the spy to go to 400 and then just, you know, set a top. It feels to me like spy 400 is coming very soon and Tesla 1000 is coming pretty soon, to be honest. And they might be really, really big psychological price targets.  Is it going to reach? A lot of the times it does, man. But once it does, that's the point where everybody goes, well, now what? Okay, maybe we'll sell. You know, this is, this is a huge point of resistance. And that would be spy 400. And that would be, dude, that would be Tesla 1000. You know what I mean? Yep. Dude, I'm like, I'm like, is Amazon or Tesla ever going to do another stock split? Like this is insane, bro. I don't think Amazon's ever done one, but when are they going? Amazon did one a long time ago. Netflix did one a long time ago. Apple did one. I remember Netflix and Apple. I don't remember if there was an Amazon one. And then who is the other one that I was thinking about the other day? I don't remember what it was, but it was basically we were talking about how these, the stock splits that occur or that need to occur to make everything affordable. All it does is attract new buyers, which drives it right back to where it was. Bro, so when they, when they did, so listen to this, man, when they did the stock split for Tesla on this most recent turn, right?  And bro, what was it trading at 350 or 400? If I remember correctly, what was a Tesla before it went back up to nearly 1000, like it's doing now. Like it was in the height of all of the, uh, the pandemic, it went, it dropped to like 320 or something. Okay. Yeah. Cause I remember, dude, I was pretty low. Let me look at it here.  I was just day trading. I remember something like along those lines. I was just in and out, in and out like every single day, man. And then it just blew up all the way. I mean, it just went to freaking 800, 900 again. That, you know, now it's just like, Oh my God, I wish I had those 50, 60 sure though. I know, dude. Yeah. It's at, I like the, the, the idea of Tesla, even with the, even with the stock split, I think it's definitely got a thousand written all over it. I think it's got, I think it's got way more written over that, but I totally agree. I think a thousand is like the easiest choice possible. We can talk about this. I'll give you guys a fresh new little topic here to discuss. My next biggest probably investment is going to be in marijuana companies. Joe, I've heard you cough in this whole webinar, dude. You got to put the ball in down. All right. I know, bro.  Oh, you're the backside of COVID right now. Yeah. It is that the cough has stuck with me and it's, it's just annoying, bro. It's a low hanging fruit, man. It's still kind of there. Yeah. I drink tons of water and, and it still won't go away.  Anyway, so my thing is going to be marijuana place. And the reason being is because Democrats have pushed for marijuana legalization for a long time. And so I think this is going to be the juice that, that marijuana companies need in order to, to kind of create this volley in this new, this new market for marijuana companies. Because, you know, if we can legalize like interstate or, or international, I guess it's really international, international trade, all of these Canadian companies are going to blow up. The fact that these Canadian companies can come into the US and sell their products. If we can get marijuana legalized to the point where it's just a, it's just a commodity at that point. And it's not a drug. Then I think it's going to be pretty big for, for that market. So I'm watching stuff like CGC, TLRI, Y, TLRY, SCRON, ACB is also another one. But I really like CGC for the most part. And that's pretty much where I'm sticking. Well, it's kind of like, it's kind of like trends, right? So like, I know we kind of hovered around this topic before, but you guys got to really pay attention to this man. If you don't, and one of the only reasons why I say actually pay attention to politics is especially if you're in a career that revolves around money, because politics is all basically money biased on either side of who wants to tax more, who wants to do this, etc. What is the Republican agenda? What is the Democratic agenda?  And this is the only thing I actually disagree with Republicans, right? Because I'm as red as you can get, except they're never for the environment. They just don't believe in climate change. I totally do. But Democrats are very for the alternatives, the alternative fuels, they're for, you know, helping a ton of people, they're for organizations that Republicans just don't want to throw money at. They're for things like, yeah, you know, the marijuana sector, that's the thing. So if Republicans get in power or Democrats get in power, this is the thing that happens, man. So there's trends in everything. And it's going to really, really relate to, it's going to really relate to the markets, man. You guys got to pay attention. I know a lot of people who are following on Instagram were saying for months, dude, before the election, they go, you know, if Biden gets elected, dude, these are the stocks that you need to focus on it.  And then a big business or tech when it comes to like the Republican side. So obviously now that Senate, you know, is pretty much 50, 50 where Nancy, or I'm sorry, Nancy Pelosi, where Kamala Harris would basically be the deciding vote, they're going to push a lot of things through, man, on the Democratic agenda. So you guys need to pay attention. There is opportunity there, but it's also like, it's not just knowing which opportunity like, oh, let me just now invest in Tilray or Tesla or things like that.  If something like alternative fuel, or like we said, marijuana is going insane. Yeah, dude, maybe it's not the time to bet against that. I'm not saying ride the tsunami with it up.  And you get squeezed to death. Like that's also what I'm saying. Yep. Like pay attention to who's in power, man, pay attention to the current trends, pay attention to what's going on in the world.  I feel like I couldn't pick a right trade during the crypto craze when crypto was brand new, dude.  I think it was three or four years ago. Dude, I had two months. What was it, Joe? 2017? Yeah, 2017. 2017, I think I ended the year, bro, literally like barely green, man.  It was the worst year of my trading career is because I thought I knew better and I didn't pay attention to current trends.  So any company, if you remember, that was, you know, anything, dude, like obviously I don't have charts up, but anything that you saw today, right? That was like just a normal day one that's going through, it's got overhead, it's got pre-mart, et cetera, et cetera.  That was like one of my biggest losses, dude, because I just thought I could add an ad. What were these? What's Bitcoin? It's nothing. Well, dude, it was something that was talked about by everybody on earth.  That's what I'm trying to say. Yep. Man, I hated 2017, dude.  It was the mental fuckery that I just did exactly the opposite. And I just vowed ever since then, I was like, you know what, dude? Like, look, man, obviously you're really good with risk, et cetera, et cetera. But dude, stop fighting trend, man.  And nowadays, all I do is ride a trend and I have a stress-free trading career. You know what I mean? It's like, make the most amount of money with the least amount of stress, dude. You can try to be that contrarian all day, every day and fight the crazes.  You know what I started showing this, Joe? It was this run, bro. I think I was in this, I, bro, I swear to God, man. I think I held from five to 13, dude. Like that, that, now I didn't have crazy size, but when you add, add, add, and add $10 against you, bro, you're going to take a hefty loss, man. And I just remember sitting there that day with like, like, I was just like, wow, I underestimated this craze. And what did I do? Like, I just remember 2017, dude, Mara, it took like two months of gains in one trade or something like that. And I was just like, oh my God, man, you can't fight trend on, on current movers, dude. And if everyone's talking about it, man, just be careful, man, just because you miss out on the upside does not mean you bet against it. My favorite of all of those was Xnet. Oh, you know what? I actually made money on Xnet because I actually hit on the backside of this one. I remember this one. Yeah. You know why, Joe? You know why? It was late 2017. Yeah, Xnet had so many good setups. Dude, notice how this, Joe, notice this. When all the crypto started coming, this was later in 2017. This was one of the, like, one of the last ones that I remember. I cleaned up on the backside of this. And I think I made my Mara gains back on this one. But dude, let me tell you, those early runners where I just didn't know what Bitcoin was and underestimated the move, dude, it wrecked me for a couple months. Like, you got to be careful. But Xnet was fun, man. Xnet was fun. Actually, maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm getting my timelines mixed up. Mara, Mara wrecked me. Was it Mara? Dude, I'm trying to remember that stock because there was, what were the biggest names, Joe? I'm trying to remember. Oh, no, no, no. I do have my timeline right. I have my timeline right. This was in, this was 18, but I was hitting it, dude, into 18. I was hitting like this back. I wasn't hitting it up here. I was doing like the low hanging fruit on Xnet when I found it was over. That's right. Okay. I got the timeline, right? Yeah. I was trying to figure that out. I was like, wait, I know I got wrecked on Mara, but I made it back on Xnet. That's why. Dude, because look at, look at how long the backside was, dude. It was insane. It was a year, dude. It was a year. That's crazy. My stuff just, I don't know if that was my internet. It might have been my internet, but I just missed all of that. Oh, did you cut out? Yeah, my stuff cut out. This was, this was the move. I was like, I was looking at the dates. I was like 18, no, no, this was the move. This was the move. I got wrecked on Mara or riot. It was one of those. I think, dude, I can't remember. It was riot or Mara was one of those. I remember that, but I did clean up on Xnet. I was saying I made it back on the backside and look at this, had like a year just back in trail. I just remember catching like a month short on this, dude. I swear to God, it was crazy because I was like, okay, maybe the momentum has finally shifted, but it was around that like late 17, early 18, in the 18, it was, it was one of those time frames. All I'm saying is start learning how to ride trend, man. Don't fight it. Just don't fight it. Joe, can you hear me? Yep. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, brother. You got kids screaming in the background, man. Go do your thing. Joe is a dad first, a trader second. That's how it should be. Guys, do you have any questions for us? Do you have any questions, specifically psychology questions, which we should talk about? Who's got some questions? Who's got questions? Joe will see the live, the YouTube live questions. I'll focus on the ones inside the chat. And yeah, man, is there anything you guys want to talk about today? Like, are you having trouble with things? Man, dude, seeing these old charts, bro, I've been training for so long, man. Good God. I think I started my trading career in like 14 or 15. Jesus, dude. Dude, I'm a toms, bro. It's funny. Fun fact, man.   If you want, like, one of the only things I go supernatural, bro, is is literally toothpaste. I'm not kidding because it keeps the good bacteria that you need in your body, man. This absolutely wrecks your teeth, dude. What do you do when on a losing streak? So what I did back then Island is here's what I did. So when I had trouble in the crypto craze back in 2017 to 2018, I think it was early 2018. Here's what you do, man.  You go, I need a week. I need a week. Oh, I love these, dude. We'll get to all these. I need a week. I took a week off.  And I was up on the year pretty nicely. And I just remember, bro, I was like, head and hands. I was like, I never do this. Like what the fuck? I used to do that when I first start out. How am I like, how did I just give back so much? Well, obviously you weren't using hard stops back then. But here's what you do, man. You take some time away from screens. And then when you come back, you go, what is not working? Let me do all the opposite of that. And let me go back to just trying to get green. I don't care if it's $1, dude, getting, it's all about resetting your mental. So when you're on a losing streak, bro, it's all about getting on the right track to get your mental back on track. It's not about the money at that point. Dude, the money comes in. Look, trading is an art form. When you trade correctly, the money comes like trade right, and the money takes care of itself.  If you don't get a handle on it quickly. So, you know, after the crypto craze, man, I just went again, it was a sector play. It was, yeah, man, of course, you know, when the crypto craze happened the first time, this was the first time you guys, this was like my introduction to crypto right in like 2017.  And this was companies that didn't even know what crypto was, dude, it was just a way for them to make money. But short sellers who are stubborn, I know a lot of my friends that we got wrecked, bro, we got wrecked because we didn't equate how ridiculous it would, it would be, man. And again, in small caps, it doesn't need to make sense. Line of line, man, play your price action, play your process. There's a lot of moves that don't make sense. You got to play your plan and process. And this is why we preach hard stops nowadays, bro, is cause they save us and you're never going to take that career ending loss if you have those hard stops in place.  You know, it's like, yeah, it's like on the bandwagon, dude, it's a Kodak, man. I remember that. I had a friend that blew up on Kodak, man, we were trading together in a room back in the day. And I had, I think there were 20 traders in there. Dude, Kodak ended a really, really good short seller, man, on that move. And I still remember some horror stories of the crypto craze, dude, it ended a lot of, it ended a lot of people, man. And some dear friends, bro, I had a friend that had to sell his rental properties because he blew up one day, bro. I was on the phone with him. He was practically crying, dude. And I was like, oh man. So again, guys, don't treat trading like a lottery ticket.   If you follow the MIC process, go line to line and say your hard stuff, bro, it's very simple. It's not easy. There's nothing easy about this career. You've picked a career where you literally risk money for a living and, you know, always have a mirror up to your emotions and they're always looking within where students for life, you're always learning.  And then you get smacked in the face. Then on that losing streak, once it's over, you go, okay, it's time to recollect. It's time to take a step back and it's time to say, okay, you know what? That didn't work. What do I do to go back to full process that works again? Get back to your process. That's it. Where are we at? Where are we at? Mental discipline, trying to stop trading when things aren't going well. That isn't so easy. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the same thing, Stephen. It's every now and then, bro, you just got to take a day off. I took a week off, bro. I took a week off. I literally flew somewhere.  Again, this was four years ago, man, three years ago. I can't remember, but I know it was like a week. If you guys are having trouble right now, if you're finding trouble with consistency, if you're having any kind of trouble on anything that's plaguing your mind daily, take a day, man, take two, take a week if you need it, bro. The market will always be here. Opportunity will always be here.  Dude, you're just thinking about money. And yes, when you have a, Joe, no, Joe, but now and Alex, you know, have a running joke that, you know, when, when Bow was in his prime during OTCs, right? He couldn't take a day off, man, because when you make 50,000 to 70,000 a day, every single day for five years, like Bow used to do during the OTC days, bro, when you have a guaranteed 500, you know, $1,000 a month for every single year for a freaking seven years or whatever it was, if you take a day off, dude, that's insane opportunity cost. But again, man, again, life is not just about dollars, man. It is about getting your head right.     You are a professional gambler. You're always on a certain level of adrenaline. And, you know, what we say is, you know, one of our tag lines is, I'm really glad we're talking about this stuff today, man, because I always talk about outer lines, but this is good. When you're a full-time trader, or when you trade full-time, you know, when you make money trading, when you're here every day, waking up at the times we do, getting the locates doing the thing, there's a certain level of adrenaline. So while we make the most amount of money with the least amount of stress, guys, it'd be impossible to say that it's literally 100% stress-free. Every day you incorporate some kind of stress. Today, today, this stress was not having a play. It wasn't even the stocks that you were in. It was like, wow, dude, I'm a short seller and I'm not going to make money in small caps today because there's no play for me. That's a little stressful.  And when you do lose, maybe it's only 300 bucks. You know, every day you've got to be on your game. Every day it's like a pin needle, man. You've got to make sure you are fucking, you know, Neo in the matrix and balancing that spoon, right? I don't know. There's probably some better analogy.   And if you're not feeling on your game or you've been off your game for a little bit, what I'm trying to say is take a day, man. Take a day, bro.  Take a day. Take a day. You're always on adrenaline. This is why on the weekends, man, after years and years of obsessing, now on the weekends, I'm like, dude, don't look at a chart, bro. I don't even want someone like, I don't even want any of my friends to talk to me about trading on the weekends sometimes, because you know why? That's my time to just reset. And then I'm so much more level headed and ready to absolutely demolish it on Monday because I didn't look at a chart on Saturday and Sunday. But again, this is someone who's been trading for seven years and has a process. So if you don't have that yet, spend 14 hours every Saturday and Sunday like I did for five years, whatever you gotta do. But my whole point is step away every now and then. Don't bet the rent is what you would say.  Where are we yet? I'm renting for a long time. Why am I scared of holding gains? Ah, that's a good one. So Ventum, check this out. Human psychology when it boils down to trading is actually a fight or flight feeling. And our brains have not really evolved or leveled up in thousands of years, dude. If you really talk to a scientist or a chemist and all the guys who know this shit, bro, we're cavemen in our minds when it comes to chemical reactions and serotonin releases and fight or flight or the things that provide chills on your body and adrenaline. Well, here's the thing that's so funny about trading. It's unbelievably organically opposite of how your body produces chemical reactions. So think about this. If you equate it to a neanderthal brain, which we still technically have, or just educated neanderthals, think about it like this. When you are in the money, your mind tells you to take it immediately. You know why? Because that's survival. It's not money at this point, guys. Again, the underthought brain, money equals survival. When you're losing, it means you're dying in your neanderthal brain. So this is why we don't cut losers.  It's kind of like the opposite thing, like you should cut losers quickly and let your winners run. Obviously, it's the opposite of what these chemical reactions do. So when you're down in a trade, bro, you're not cutting the loss when you're brand new and uneducated in trading because your chemical reaction neanderthal brain is saying, oh my God, dude, if I take this loss, I accept that I just died.  That's survival, man. Now you get to go eat for a day.  This is why trading is hard is because it's actually fundamentally against how our brains work.  That makes sense. How to focus on just two to three stocks? Well, here's the best part, Monarch. So any single day that you trade, I'm usually looking at one to eight stocks, correct? Dude, you know what?  I try to trade what I can handle. And sometimes it's six stocks at once. Sometimes it's just one, dude. And sometimes it's one with size. It's what I think I can make the most amount of money on, but what relates to me? So what I do every single day is I go for the weakest of the bunch first. So think about a short seller like a lion in the safari.  I'm going after the zebra with a broken foot. I like the ones way under VWOP and I'm hitting harder at VWOP once they push to VWOP because that's my whole strategy. Like I go for the weakest of the bunch. If I'm the king of the jungle in the safari or the king of the safari, I'm going where the blood is spilt the most. That's how you focus on two or three stocks. Once you get good at that, scale up and level up as needed. And maybe you can focus on more, but that's how I start my day every single day. I'm the king of the jungle. What is the layup? Where can I get it? Where can I get a leg or a thigh? Whatever. I have a bad habit not to respect max daily loss. I just keep moving it and it keeps me, keeps giving me days of gains back and then blowing up accounts. How do I get rid of this bad habit? Day. Die. Sorry, bro. If I butchered your name. Die. This is hard, bro. This is so hard as an educator to explain this because this is something, bro, that I can't actually like really teach you. This is discipline, bro. I can teach you how to trade. I can teach you price action. I can teach you lines. Die. This comes to the man in the mirror, bro. You got to go up to the mirror and say, dude, if I keep doing what I'm doing, you're going to lose. You're going to lose, man. You got to just accept one day that it doesn't work. You actually have to implement what we teach or what we do. That does not have to do any, boom, boom. Claudio just said the exact same thing, bro. This is so hard to answer as an educator because this is not something I can teach you. You have to teach yourself this. So die. Again, man, I can teach you charts, bro, all day, but this is discipline, bro, and discipline is the hardest part about trading. And ironically, it's the most necessary. Dude, the smartest traders in the world are actually, they're not that profitable. The dumbest traders in the world, dude, like the degenerates are some of the most profitable best traders in the world. You know why?  Don't bet the rent. Yeah, man, I can trade well. It clicks 10 green days, but when things go wrong or revenge trade like a mofo really needs to Steven, I mean, there's nothing more to say, man, you know what you do wrong. That's it, you revenge, bro. If you can cut that revenge out, you will do just accept the loss. Okay, today I forced something, nothing popped. I forced something. I take an L. It didn't work out, bro.  I am not in control of my emotions right now. Chris at Cobra, Chris, lock my account, dude. I can't leave this up to myself. Go for a drive. Go get breakfast. Leave your phone at home, dude. Don't download DOS on your phone. Do something, bro. But again, this is the same as what Dai was talking about, bro. At the end of the day, discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline and not revenge to not chase, to not respect max losses, to not keep moving up that max loss, to not fight trend, to not, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. After set, setback, best to go just straight up the dip, dude. His kid was like, I need you and he's out. Sorry guys on YouTube. I can't see your comments while I nail these member comments. We don't have enough time to get to every single one, but I'm going to try to do my best here. Yeah, man, I can trade well clicks, 10 green days, but when things go wrong or revenge trailer, oh, sorry, I just did that one. After a setback best to regroup, like you said, Tosh does wonders, walk away. Yeah, dude, just take a day. Take a day. Hence why bow is your mentor's met. Exactly, bro. Bow mentored all of us, man. Would you trade the VWAP breakdown on ENG today? Ah, sorry, man. If you can post a chart, man, my charts went down. If you can post a chart, I can answer that. Fire, great stuff is always Tosh got to run. Yeah, man, no problem, dude, for the guys that got to run. Nice to have you. So I have established a strategy and I'm profitable, but when a red day, how do I determine where to draw the line so I don't wipe out all my profits for the month? Okay, well, that's hard stops, Dante. I mean, that's basically a one word answer, two word answer, hard stops. Dante, dude, you got to put hard stops in your trading, man. Oh, dude, I'm telling you right now, I just had a huge discussion with Cole about this. And the only reason I say that is because he just said it. Cole is a fantastic trader, man. The only thing he had an issue with was hard stops. So I got on the phone with him.   The only thing, the only reason why you're grain for 30 days and then on the 31st day, you're giving back a month's of gains is whether the only reason is you don't have a hard stop. That's it. That's it.  Just automate it, dude. Automate it. Waiting is trading. Patience pays, man.   Yes, exactly. The struggle is real, brother, I'll get there. Dude, all of you are going to get there, but the, but you're not going to get there if you compare yourself to everybody else. If you say, wow, Alex, you know, made a hundred K today and I only make $10. It doesn't matter, bro.  I don't care who you are. I don't care what your play style is. You got to go at your own pace and stop comparing yourself to everybody on Twitter and, and figure out who you are and someone else's identity. People do not understand that discipline is a way of being you either are or you're not. When friends come to me and tell me I want to learn trading, my first question is, are you disciplined in your life? If the answer is no, go do something else. 99% of you're going to lose money. Claudio just said it. He's one of our newest moderators because he is very good at discipline. He's very good at educating. Let me tell you dude, he's figured it out, man, and he's a swing trader. So you got to have the discipline to really wait for your levels, bro. It's not as simple as just getting in where you want to as a swing trader, you've got to find these price targets that you want over days. I know Claudio will probably wait three days to take a trade on a certain position if he's waiting for a certain level to hit his match. That's what swing trading is all about. That's what all trading is about, bro.  I wait for zoom to hit 320.  That's insane. Are you kidding me? Claudio, that is amazing, bro. I was a little early on that. I was actually down 10 grand on zoom, which again, guys is all relative and all very, very, very relative per trader. 10 grand is actually not down a lot for me, but I was down like 10 grand on zoom and I got out with small profit today, but I was too early. Had I waited like cloud, man, I just, dude, I got in way too early. Me and Faye got in way too early. So again, guys, with trading, man, everything is about mastering one niche, having the patience, patience, patience, patience to do so good at that niche, then you can finally move on to the next thing or the next setup or the next niche. And $10 down might be a lot for some of you guys and $10,000 down might be a fortune for you guys or whatever. Everybody's got their number. This is why you can't compare trader to trader. And obviously you have max stops, but on swings versus intraday, they might differ.  It is mind numbingly different. So you guys got to know this. You got to find your identity even in risk management. Had I had the page, now while I nail a ton of other stocks, I was down on one of my swing positions kind of heavily, I guess, you know, which was zoom and had I had Claudio's patience, that would have been awesome, dude. I would have nailed it way more than I did, you know, but again, everything comes back to a comfort zone. And if you are within your levels and risk points, I was still within my risk tolerance and my plan. But, you know, of course, my patience was a little bit wonky on that one, to be honest. Bow says it always, if your personal life is a mess, so we're trading no self-control in your personal life, no self-control. Exactly, bro. Self-control and discipline is what separates the boys from the men. That's it. In a nutshell, dude, it's the discipline and self-control. What's this? Oh, ENG. You had a question earlier, Joe? Let me hold on. Let me just screenshot this so I can blow it up right next to it. One sec, buddy. All right, so this was the chart with a question earlier. Give me one second. Joe, where was your question? Fuck, I think I missed it. Or somebody else asked it. Oh, would you? Okay, would you? Now, let me open this up. Bingo. Ah, look at that. Solving modern-day problems require modern-day solutions. So, would you trade the VWOT breakdown on ENG today within a reversal hour? If so, would you short the VWOT blow? So, I'll just, let me keep it general, right? Let me keep it general. No, because there were not many plays today, I didn't come back for a reversal hour. And also, I was doing this webinar. So, reversal hour on a day like today, we're all just, like, I only like, let me say it like this. Reversal hour in my personal process, bro, is a step two.  Now, going back to the well, as described, is also, bro, you know, a time that I should be trading as a short. Again, shorts only, you know, the first hour and reversal hour are your edges. So, within that reversal hour, if I'm up a good amount of money in the morning or I killed the morning, you know, and I'm doing good, I'm totally willing to come back on a reversal hour and be a little bit more ballsy. But I really just like the morning for the most part. So, if I have a day where I don't trade the morning, I don't come back for a reversal hour because I already feel like I missed the boat and I feel like I'm gonna do something stupid. So, the only thing, and you know, obviously, this dotted line is VWOP guys and it's still over VWOP, but in reversal hour, it breaks through. It's not a convincing break enough for me. I want a death candle through. I want two things during a reversal hour or I don't trade them. I want a test of tops or I want a slam candle to hit pops.  This is trickle down, bro. If we got that candle, yeah, maybe I would hit it. But again, I was, you know, focused on the webinar. I didn't even know the stock was running. But again, retest of previous tops. Those are your levels mixed up with the whole and half dollar levels, the whole and half dollar marks, which was I guess 850 would have pretty much kind of been that. Yeah, probably 850 test or a death candle through VWOP. That's what I would have looked for. I'm giving too much away again. Join the MIC. Where are we at guys? Hold on one sec. I think we're caught up. Sorry, everyone. Apparently they're servicing my area, internet and TV gone. So Joe, Joe's in here in spirit, dude. I love it. Thanks, Joe.  Great questions. That's a great question, bro. And I don't even need a chart to tell you this. So as you guys can see, I posted, let's see, let me go back. Let me show you what my watch list was this morning as I posted and the levels. Where was it? One sec. I don't even need to pull up charts to tell you this, but I'll just kind of pull up charts as a frame of reference. But basically, and the reason why I want to show you guys this is how I draw my lines. I usually draw about two really important lines. Ah, there we go. So let's full screen this. So I usually draw about two lines because this is a scale zone, guys. So of course there might be a couple more lines like a two line in here, but this is where I'm willing to scale, right? So if I'm willing to scale something in here, here's how if it does break my levels, I'm just out and it equates for anything, whether it breaks a pre-market high on one like this. If that is my last line for risk or it's within the trade and it breaks this, I still cut the second line. Here's what I do. If, if, if I really feel like a break is not that permanent, I will sometimes like, basically what I'm saying, if there's not a lot of volume, if I don't think it's going to push heavily and it breaks, I'll stop out half.  And then what I do is if it's only my first strike, I give myself two strikes on the day because I'm not usually wrong that much, but if I'm wrong two strikes, then I'm done for the day. I would close up shop, but here's what I do.  If a something is a false break, I am back in. So to answer your questions in a nutshell is if you, yeah, and obviously if you have a hit max dollar loss, which I give myself a certain amount of risk, I'm not going to ever hit max dollar loss within one or two trades. I'm just not because I use out on most lines. I mitigate as much risk as I can. What I'm saying is on every single trade, if I stop out, I am now still, I'm not playing my bias that I just lost, I'm playing what the chart is telling me, bro. If it stuffs in and saying, hey, sure, it's piled back in here, you have an opportunity, I'm going to be there. But if there's no opportunity and now I'm just playing a bias or, oh my God, I lost money, I want to make it back. No, no, then you're on the wrong track. Make sense? Yeah. And then last question, guys, because I should wrap this up, it's coming near close. Do you have a max, basically money loss for your morning? Oh, borrow costs. Sometimes I get unsure if I, yes, laser, if you know, if you know me and Alex or Bow, dude, we will obviously pay anything if we think we can flip it for a dollar and make money, obviously in the trade. But bro, I don't like to, I really don't like to reserve anything over four cents, man. I just don't, dude. Anything over four cents, I get, I'm just like, damn, dude, I had to pay a lot for this. So that's my comfort level. But dude, I've paid 70 cents per share, bro. So it's like, I'm not going to say I never have if the opportunity is unbelievable there. I mean, I'll address it during that day. But on a general speaking term, dude, I don't like paying more than four cents a share, bro. I just don't, man. I just feel like I'm getting robbed, dude. I feel like I'm getting raped. Yeah, I know, man. Seriously. Sometimes, man, there's a lot of ETB names, which, you know, Bow just gave a whole webinar on that recently. So you guys know how to do that now. I think we covered a lot of really good stuff today, man. I think we covered, you know, don't fight trend, you know, hard stops, the importance of them, time-based trading, which is super important, you know, just if you're on a losing streak, how to deal with it. I haven't had a serious losing streak in a couple of years because now I use hard stops. But guys, back in the day, man, where you're not using hard stops, it's tough, man, because it doesn't matter if you're right 90 days in a row, dude, which I have been, bro. My longest streak is like three months solid. But dude, if that 91st day that you trade, you're giving back a months or three months of gains, you're doing something wrong, man. So you guys got to understand how important risk management is.  So when we say something, man, it's only because we've experienced it, dude. I know Joe has told me a couple of times, dude, he's just like any other trader.  You know, so many years ago, and you fight through and you keep fighting the good fight, but you pay attention to what works for the, for the, for what the people are teaching you. And guys, if you're not using hard stops, which the only reason why we teach this nowadays is because anyone not using hard stops is taking extraordinary losses. You have to do hard stops. And like I said, if you're a swing trader versus an intraday trader, a max loss might be very different. It might be very different scenarios. It might be very different price targets, it might be different time zones, you know, entries, the same thing, but go accordingly from niche to niche once you learn one, then move over to the next.   So get good at one thing, master it, and I will end my rant there. Guys, this was awesome.  So I'm going to wrap up here, man, and go pass out, but love you guys, man. Thanks for coming here. I'm actually really glad charts shut down today, like for the first time in a long time. So we can really talk about the psychology side is because this is as important, man. I promise you, dude, this is as important. And as always, if you guys need any help on signing up promos, just anything, man, 2-1-3-4-5-8-5-9-9-7 guys, we will get you started at MIC. Lifetime is no longer publicly offered. Go to the site and answer that form, fill out the form, and then like I said, me and Alex will review it. We'll see if you're a good fit, and then we will talk about things further from there. We got the new weekend mentoring update on how that's going to go. Dude, it's going to be absolutely unbelievable.  So, guys, you're awesome. I'll see you next week. See you, Joe.


Hey, thank you order. You didn't miss a whole lot. I'm in charge here right now Hey, well, I've been sworn back in I know but I'm in charge right now. I got it. I get this is This is real power. I got a power Power and plan B Oh I'm gonna say give you yours back. Okay, this is your election sign. You don't need it for two years, you know three years actually Don't worry about he doesn't need it for almost a thousand days All right, welcome everybody to the special meeting of the city council Thursday March 7th first thing pledge of allegiance and You know what I'm gonna ask Sue if she would like to lead us And to the republic for which it stands one nation under God Liberty and justice for all Thanks Tonight if we have an emergency Please leave this room and go down the stairway and out the front door and around to the parking lot behind To the south of the building if for some reason this hallway is blocked We'll go Tom will lead you out through the staff room and out to the parking lot behind and then around to the parking A lot to the south and I will be responsible for making sure the building is clear The first item of business now is to elect chair vice chair and clerk Are there nominations for the position of chair? I'll nominate Helen to continue his chair Megan to continue his vice chair and Tim to continue his clerk because he Reads so quickly all those words that somebody puts in front of him. It's great Any other nominations Okay, all right Laugh out there. Don't we need to second that I need to close nominations or not the nominations are closed. Okay All those in favor of the motion say aye. All right Opposed You guys have it and you have elected a slate of Well, thank you, and I just have a few few comments First I I really want to thank the other counselors for electing me chair I enjoy the work and I Appreciate your confidence and my ability to lead the council fairly even handedly and effectively We've accomplished much in the past year We tackle challenging issues like development and open space by establishing a short-term Interim zoning period and we're moving forward with committees and fact-finding We approved a lovely design for our city center building and worked out some agreements with the school board that voters sustained We saw the first affordable housing Allard Square built and city center We Offered a penny for paths proposal to begin to meet the needs of a walkable and bikeable city that passed to We improved our internal communication and decision-making process within the council We worked with several entities to preserve a critical and beautiful track of land in the southeast quadrant And those are just some of the highlights. I think on the downside We lost a valued city councilor Pat Noak and probably no one could replace her personality and zest for life in this community However, I feel really fortunate that Dave Kaufman agreed to fill out the term and helped us weather that loss Thank You Dave your enthusiasm and positive outlook was and is a wonderful addition and Apparently the public thought so too All in all we functioned we functioned as a focused and productive council Differences existed on various approaches and resolutions to city problems and opportunities But despite those lively discussions, I think we came away each time Confident that all angles were respectfully heard before a decision was final. I Pledge to continue that type of leadership for the council. We have lots to look forward to and lots to accomplish Importantly we forge ahead with the development of city center and the building of the library senior center and Jimmy and new City Hall Market Street a new entrance to Marcot Champlain housing trusts huge housing project and other Projects soon to be shared or still in the planning stage are exciting for all of us Once the IZ work is completed. We can use the information to address what growth can and should look like Parks and rec will continue I'm sure to provide the council with ideas for a rec center and we will discuss how to pay for it Perhaps a performing art center is in our future another exciting concept to enhance the quality and experiences for our residents and Closing Please continue to participate. This is to the public. Let us know what you're thinking Help us to continue to make this city a truly wonderful place to live work and recreate Nicely done Thank You mr. Enthusiasm Okay, that was a great recap I'm sure I forgot a couple good things but All right The next item item five is a possible executive session to discuss Pending civil litigate litigation to which this city is a party Yeah, I'd like to move that the council make a specific finding that premature general public knowledge of confidential attorney Communications made for the purpose providing professional legal services of the council regarding pending lawsuits to which the public body is a party would clearly place the Council in the city at a substantial disadvantage Having so found I now move the council enter into executive sessions for the purpose of discussing a matter identified in the previous motion All in favor Bringing with us Kevin Doran Tom Hubbard Andrew Bullock and Amanda Lafferty So should we go somewhere? Where are we going? Is it being used like to Call the order again the South Burlington City Council meeting of Thursday March special session March 7th 20 be 19 And we're an item six set the dates and times for regular meetings being held Between March 2019 and February 2020 so Do Monday nights at 6 30 the first and the third Monday of the month Unless that Monday is a national holiday, and then we meet on Tuesday. Does that still work for everyone? Yeah, and 6 30 continues to be a good time Do you need a motion? um I don't think we need a motion. We've agreed to that. Yep. All right, okay You have to have more seniority too if it goes past nine it's catered by else fries Okay Item seven the annual point Appointments and we have a list of the annual appointments to be made my by a majority vote of the city council Move to make these appointments. Do we need to read them all? No, we probably should As written on this sheet right here. Yes, right here city treasurer Tom Hubbard city attorney Andrew Bouldin Zoning administrator Paul Connor Acting assistant zoning administrator Delilah Hall acting assistant zoning administrator Kathy Ann LaRose Acting assistant zoning administrator Marla keen first constable sergeant Doug Dubey second constable corporal Kevin Greilis grandeur Kevin Dorn city agent and trustee of public funds Kevin Dorn Code enforcement officer Paul Connor acting assistant code enforcement officer Delilah Hall Acting assistant code enforcement officer Kathy Ann LaRose Acting assistant code enforcement officer Marla keen Telecommunications officer Paul Connor acting assistant telecom officer Delilah Hall acting assistant telecom officer Marla keen Emergency management director Terry Francis health officer Justin Rabbit is Motion to approve all those second a second any discussion. Yeah. Yes telecommunications officer Is that always been on this list, and I just never asked the question. What do they do? Telecommunications citing issues such that we control those so remember you had one right Some months ago about on top of building some Fiat drive All right any further discussion Okay, ready for the vote all in favor signify by saying aye So that is affirmative. We've made those appointments The next item is to designate the official paper of record record a Paper currently it's the other paper Designate the other paper is the designated official paper record Any discussion all in favor? Item 9 designate The as official depository the community bank, that's the current one so moved second all in favor We need to appoint a representative to the pension advisory committee There a second second All right any discussion is he really doing a good job Yeah, did you know? Okay, all in favor. Hi We need to approve and sign disbursements I don't know why I got that way. I'll move that we approve the disbursements second All in favor Okay item 11 Interim zoning application Izzy 1901 of Donald and Lois Kerwin to subdivide a two acre parcel developed with a single-family dwelling into four lots Ranging in size from point two seven acres to one point eighteen eight One point eighteen acres and to construct a new single-family dwelling on each of the resulting development lots 1420 Hinesburg Road, so I need a motion to continue the public hearing Or to open the public hearing. Okay. We have a second and a second all in favor Open the public hearing So we have received several new communications correct. We have a letter We have an additional letter from Mark Abrams Who lives at 174 Highland Terrace? It was an email I couldn't get it thanks to tick now. Oh, you have one too. Thank you. Mr. Marshall Scan it quickly at work, so I got the gist of it. I think so. Thank you. So this was Submitted you're aware of this. Yes. Yeah. Thank you Then we also have minutes draft minutes from the Planning Commission and Yeah, I was not able to attend but I got a communication from Paul Conner and he was there Is there a section here? Oh 12 1420 Hinesburg Road, right? Yes. Yes, so Do you mind if I read this? Okay, right? So mr. Conner reviewed the proposed subdivision and noted that the city council took testimony and did not see any major obstacles They did however want to check with the Planning Commission to see whether this would be counter to what the Commission is discussing regarding PUDs Mr. Conner showed the parcel on the map and indicated the proposed three building lots for single-family homes The new homes would front on Highland Terrace Members were concerned that this development could lead to others in the area wanting to do the same thing And the three houses could then become 20 Mr. Really suggested delaying this and building it into the PUD plans He said he was not averse to infill but felt it could defeat the purpose of the PUDs Mr. Conner noted that the properties to the north and the south are also individually owned Mr. Gagnon Question whether they can regulate down to a small lot Ms. Ostby said this could function as a cottage cluster with 12 units per acre Which would then be a benefit to the applicant She said that unless there is some urgency it could be in the city's and the applicant interest to delay approval Other members agreed Mr. Conner suggested having someone draft a written report to the council Ms. Luizzo said she can do that if the council wants something in writing So that was the feedback from the Planning Commission per their minutes from 26th February of this year So do you have some further information you'd like to share with us or so neither Mr. Curwin nor myself were able to attend the Planning Commission so That being the background You know what I'm sorry. I'm Dave Marshall from Civil Engineering Associates And they're still sworn in because it's a continued hearing right? Perfect. Thank you. So as far as the fact that we weren't able to attend the Planning Commission meeting we were concerned that Two things One that perhaps an understanding of again what the Kerwin's are going to do and what the character of the existing conditions are As far as the property Coupled with the other side of the coin, which is you know I think we'd also like to get a better understanding of what the Planning Commission is is looking to do Only because under prior interim zoning applicants have come forward to the city council with proposals that Would align the proposed project closer to perhaps what would be Adopted by the city as part of the process of interim zoning Obviously many much much of that is speculative because we don't really know what the end result is going to be but in order to address the Intent of the interim zoning and to basically Allow a project to go forward with extra or additional components that would help Allay the concerns of the city council that the original intent of interim zoning and the timeout that was being requested Would allow the application perhaps to go forward so right now we stand flat-footed a little bit on the issues of Planned unit developments and specifically the density issues that were brought that were discussed What we were kind of hoping for is perhaps Have the ability for Mr. Kerwin and ourselves to discuss the project with them so that they so we could have a confidence level that a they fully understood what the characteristics of the property were and and at the same time to also absorb what they were thinking about as far as Goals to be presented to the city council as far as ideas on how how to perhaps change the land use regulations in a way that Would enable the concerns of the city council to be appropriately addressed so that being the background we Would not like to be in a position where you have to deny the application at this point in time But perhaps if we could ask for a continuance ourselves to allow us to Have that additional level of communication with the planning commission We may end up the same place, but at least we will have done Our diligence on that end of things to to fully understand and to fully educate them at the same time on This particular project and perhaps how we could change the project to come closer to perhaps some of the Things that they're envisioning So that's the perfect world And I think at this point in time I think just a request of the applicant to allow for a continuance is The favor we asked of the city council at this point in time and didn't know if that was something that you could entertain And it may very well help inform their consideration of the various Kinds of PUD that they're envisioning have you asked to get on their agenda do you know with at this point? No, we this is brand new tonight as far as the game plan perhaps on how to catch up with the planning commission on their thoughts and This particular project so if we continue do we need to a date certain? Yes, we do so I wonder when The planning commission at this point Continue it again, right? Should we how long you get a month out? Yes, you're reading our minds tonight It's a bad day So why don't we agree to continue This inner zone inter interim zoning hearing to April is it the first 15th the 15th April 15th at Should we say And seven thirty eight o'clock seven thirty, okay seven thirty But before you leave right I think we should discuss the other thing that occurred last Thursday, right With the environment environmental court, I think we should bring that up and make that part of the record tonight All right, so so right is it can I go ahead with it? Okay? So so as you probably know last last Thursday there was a decision by the Vermont Environmental Court in the case of Epinicole homeowners and a couple of neighbors who appealed the approval of the Development project for spear meadows, which is part of the Chris Snyder's Company so in in in that appeal the judge found on two of five points Grounds for which he declared the South Burlington transferable development right regulations invalid So that being the case we want to get that into the record because I we believe that there's a TDR involved here In this application right so so knowing that there's this like technical problem That's thrown into the to the midst of of this project We want to make sure that we understand that it's it's something that we're going to be looking at as well No, I think that's fair. I Think that's the best thing we can say at this point. Okay go a lot of different directions Okay, thank you. Well. Thank you for your time. You're very good. So I need a motion to We already did that or did we vote on that? No, I don't think we So I would entertain a motion to continue the public hearing till April 15th at 730 Okay, all in favor Thank you. Thank you for your time again. There you go. Thank you Okay item 12 discuss issues issues related to hate speech in Vermont if you recall Monica Otsby brought forward a Letter I guess from Brattle girl that was talking about the issue around hate speech and wanting Other communities I think to sign on and encourage the legislature and the attorney general to Have a written statement that Or pursue it I have to say that I Very much reluctant to start pushing for any kind of regulation of hate speech because hate speech It's a it is an amendment one first amendment issue and I find it to be very unclear What hate speech is? However the stalking charge, I mean I don't I'm not familiar with the law on stalking, but she was clearly harassed I I Realized that as public officials people have a right to harass us. I mean And that is just the fact I've received hate mail. I've been treated poorly in times And I've talked to the police chief and been told Unless you're in physical danger Welcome to the job and so it's It's hard. It's I really sympathize I really am appalled that this legislator was Subjected to this heinous treatment But based on my experience and Based on what I consider to be really important value enshrined in the first amendment. I I don't see What I could grab on to in terms of language. I know that the Legislature is working on something. I Haven't seen it. So I I can't even sign on right. I haven't seen it either. I'm really struggling I mean, this is a hard fact of living in a free society Other comments. Well, I generally agree. I think I'm I'm always reluctant as a community government To start taking stands on issues that more are more of a statewide measure that are very controversial we voted we put the the smoking thing or the cigarette whatever the heck that was on the ballot and But they were in that they were indication that that wasn't that wasn't something that was Related to hate or controversy or anything else that was Health and this is just I think we're stepping beyond our general capacities as city officials For something that's being discussed at the legislative level That's that's my feeling at the moment and and we That I agree with all the things that you said Tim it was their resolution specifically yet. Well, they they did have some Resolution language. There's a letter. It was a letter and it was pretty broad and all encompassing Which makes me a little concerned, but at the same token, you know, I recognize that We live in a community that's had some real real challenges around You know hateful language that have been has been directed at a student and spray painted on the and assault and assault and The whole controversy and discussion around the rebel name and what that means to people and its effect on Persons of color so I Was I was willing to think about a Some kind of statement or letter that maybe we just send to our legislators that that kind of outlines that were You know, we're a community that is facing that we're sensitive to the challenges of Free speech on the one hand, but you know safety for students and individuals And would encourage them to You know, it doesn't match the situation However, because she was an elected official running for office as opposed to you know minors attending high school, right? It's a very different situation what I would say if you we wanted to you know entertain writing a letter is writing Kia Morris and expressing our Our experience and that gives a sympathy with her case Both from the experience of the rebel, but also as elect. I mean, I can speak personally I've been you know subjected to some things. I think there are other counselors Who have also been subjected to? You know that we have a former chair who had to have police protection through so We we fully understand the discomfort and the stress and distress On the flip side we could write the letter to our four legislators and copy it to The One way or the other I don't I don't have a problem with that just encouraging as statewide legislative officials to we support civil discourse in the state of Vermont and support Whatever efforts they make to to eliminate Lack of civil discourse, however you want to phrase it It's very painful because I mean I did share my lament about our low voter turnout on a public Facebook page And I think that the coarseness of language does degrade that that you know participation Right, I think that it discourages people from running for office. Oh, that's what I said and I think that it You know, it really places a paw On what should be you know a rock in our society, right? democracy is a rock and When we when we start chipping away at it by stalking harassing threatening You know setting people up in ways that just you know make them vulnerable to you know to all kinds of You know consternation it just it's it's degrading What do you want? What do you think what do you think we should do? I? Mean, it's not it's not a policy statement. It's no it's simply an expression of concern. Yeah I mean it so you're saying we we can draft something and Send it either to the former representative What's your name? Yeah, yeah Morris and copy it to our legislators are send it to our legislators and copy it to key Morris I'm happy to draft something because I do feel I mean I I'm certainly not been targeted for my race But I have been targeted just as an official with some power. I think that's fine. I think it's appropriate I think you know, I said civil discourse civil discourse and behavior You know discourses words and behavior is behavior something like that. I mean that's why I see it Well, and I think as a community We've experienced Yeah, a fair amount in the last two years two and a half years that I think raises the Maybe sensitivity at least of some not of all Because legislators would be the ones that would need to make appropriate decisions from a legislative perspective I think it's more more logical Don't know about appropriate more logical to send it to our legislators and copy it to to key a Morris Each of our first put each of our legislators legislators and then copy it to her You can copy it to you can copy the governor's office if you want It's incredibly sad because haven't they changed the way we can contact them even right haven't they made it more You don't know where their home address you don't know their home address. You don't have their home phone. You don't I think they changed those as of last week No, no, no, this was a month or two ago when Kim Morris was stepping down You can still go online find and find out that information. Yeah with their addresses. Yeah, okay Tim, did you want to weigh in in some manner? Well, I mean the case is really interesting because you Know obviously Kim Morris, I mean her she and her family suffered emotional duress during that a time of harassment by a community member, right and the the Without getting into the legal weeds, right our Attorney General took a really hard look at it but was unable to I think prosecute right and and I Mean from having read about mr. Donovan and having met him I would assume that he he did his his homework on this really closely because this is a really unique case I think so I have to trust that he he interpreted the law correctly and it's one of those really fine lines, right? So but but one thing you can do is express as you said sympathy but not just somebody but solidarity that that That we understand that this is not how you treat people and we don't think it's right either We thought it was mistreatment and you know, we we don't know whether it was legal or not, but we certainly you know support her in in Which she and understand what she went through and and empathize with that Well, I go further and say we support legislative legislation that is within the context of upholding the United States Constitutional all at the same time But if we're not we're just not gonna put up with this Yeah, it's terrible to hang And I think that yeah, that's not it's it's a matter of Saying it and I think you know, I mean it's it's that question You know when you see a neighbor's child misbehaving do you as a neighbor say something right and I think that to some degree We have to we and it's not only for a child, right? It's for adults to there's there's a responsibility in all of us To to really hold one another accountable and we're all capable of stepping over the bounds. So really Why don't you draft something and circulate it we can It's not like there's a timeline. Yeah, I mean, it's not something that we have to get out tomorrow because Okay, I'm I'm satisfied with that great, okay item 13 consider convening as the South Roentgen liquor control commission to approve Gracie's liquor store a number of Gracie's liquor store Jiffy Mart starving artist cafe. I didn't see anything in the box. I Didn't look in the box. I didn't realize there was going to be I Didn't look in the box either It's in there yeah I'm looking at I don't know it's it's in the box Is it a problem if we push it off to the next meeting that I do not know the next meeting is The 18th well there are four I apologize I didn't When I tried to download one of the cities Kevin do you know if the Is the starving artist a new license or I imagine so it hasn't been there that long You don't know. Okay. You know where it is, right? Yeah. Yeah, I Just didn't know they they did breakfast and lunch. Yeah, the Davis studio I don't know they've been open a while Yeah, but I'd never I've never been I have to remember. Well, I've been there a couple times for breakfast. It's great I just I didn't ask to serve bloody Mary's, but I Didn't notice that they were offering it either I didn't see a little service bar anywhere So but second class is just beer and wine. I'm comfortable if you Sean Burke is signed off They filled all the paperwork out Megan if you're comfortable, I'm comfortable All right, are you comfortable if you two are comfortable uncomfortable and I'll be comfortable too Especially if we in this meeting so I move that we convene as the South Lane and liquor control Commission All in favor. Hi. I will move that we approve the second class Licenses for Gracie's liquor store Gracie store Jiffy Mart and the first-class restaurant bar license for starving artist cafe Any discussion all in favor signify by saying I I move that we come out of What's the word you want to use that we unconvene? It's the liquor but we adjourn Okay as the liquor control Commission Okay, yeah, I move we reconvene. Yeah, that's what you meant. Okay. Yeah second and we have a second all in favor Hi, all right, so we're back in as the city council So we're in the process of this awarding a contract for this Kennedy drive-pond three Kevin. Yes. Yes To the firm listed in the notes right recommendation of the right staff yeah second Any discussion all in favor hi I Any other Any other wait a minute, is there any other business too quick things if I may At the at an upcoming meeting Doesn't have to be immediate but at an upcoming meeting we want to have a discussion with you about the results of the vote on Tuesday and Guidance about moving forward Tom and I are meeting with the Recreation and Parks Committee on Monday Obviously, they have a great interest in in Where this it goes as it relates to the indoor? Facility, but we do want to come back to you in the next couple meetings talk about that also In the next couple meetings Tom and Justin and I want to come in and talk about paving It's Justin's view and I think Virtually everybody in the city's view that this winner has been more difficult for our roads than any road it or winter in memory Plus we have some additional damage on roads caused by some heavy traffic in certain areas Tom and I've talked to Justin about this. We're going to meet again and talk about it But it's possible. We're going to come to you in the next couple meetings and talk about an enhanced Purchase Contract for this year, so I just want to give you a heads up about that Means bigger bigger. Yeah Wider streets, we're gonna finally get some really good Multiple communities throughout the state are gonna want to do the same thing and the paving company is gonna really have to peddle hard to keep up It is we're hardly the only I mean having driven to Montpelier recently and try burrowing to It was like this what was it it was like a funny it wasn't a cartoon It was an actual picture of police officer saying Should we see if they're drunk or are they just dodging the pot? Because that's that's how it is driving in Burlington When we have that discussion Kevin can can we also discuss? Like it some sort of a schedule and method for at least repairing the potholes that are the worst in the city, right? Yes, and at least making them and knowing that they're gonna be a flush fill not it not a dip fill Once the the thaw cycle is gone, right? Because because at least for the period until they're paved We want them as smooth as we can make them. Well Justin Justin's gonna be in before you either their first or second meeting and in April with the Second the second meeting in April with the contract award. So we're out to bed now Okay, with I think in that meeting that would be fine. I would like to add another aspect because this was Raised with me and that is and I didn't know the answer if what the system or prioritizing it is for Plowing the sidewalks and this was a concern raised on So I'm worried Lane. Well, no in Williston Road that near the Apartments where there are a lot of people on wheelchairs That portion was really horrendous Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I just I didn't know the answer But I would love to have a conversation about how do we prioritize? I mean, I know we do with roads certainly and if there is some method to the sidewalk Plowing and then additionally and it doesn't have to be this meeting but Sometime in the future. I would really like us to discuss What the Size or commitment in terms of Bonding for really fixing the roads not just putting an inch and a half of new Macadamon every couple of years and having that go through but I think there's some roads that probably need to be Be gone from scratch Reconstructed and I would like to just have a start a conversation on What that might cost and look like and if that's I mean I know the last thing we want is to go ask for more property tax And I don't know whether maybe there's other ways to fund that but I just think this This winter really raised some issues with me if I know it was You know cold and then warm and cold and that does a job But there may very well be some fundamental issues on some of these streets That we really it's some point we need to address And I'd like to know what that is And then you know we really plan for at least have that conversation and Get some input from the public about What is it you want to pay for we know they don't want to use a Local option a local option tax although that was a pretty it wasn't overwhelming It was closer than I thought it was going to be an average of about a hundred and forty people Bypassed all the races and orchard and didn't fill them in and went straight to the 1% and said probably probably said no That's my that's my analysis. They didn't even bother to fill in the circles in the race the four races Yeah, they went straight. Yeah Yeah, what made you think that but the number was because you can tell how many undervotes and overvotes They were for each race, right and an underboat means they didn't fill either bubble. Yeah Yeah But anyway, I mean, I don't want to debate that now But that could be part of our discussion when I think when we if we come to some conclusion about what we do about their streets You know people are always complaining about them, so I guess my sense is if you want things to either be built a project to Be built or roads to be fixed Then it needs some resources Which means tax increase and you know, let us know but I mean it so People driving cars through our city. There's two things that they suffer. Well, not not our city But when they drive they perceive suffering from two things one, you know Really bad roads and to traffic delays, right? So if if you want to impress people it's like make the road smooth and And try not to delay them in ordinarily long, right? Well rebuilding Don't waste their time. The thing is don't waste their time. That's that's the key is you know Hold our meeting is out there on the meeting Okay, we're not we're not the only ones with this problem Maybe Justin maybe doing it doing it already but reaching out to other communities throughout the state his counterparts Saying what are you doing? Just so we have an idea of what all it because this is a statewide problem And just just as a side note to that this isn't something we're looking at one time You know, I think I mentioned to you folks when I took a class to Green Mountain Power in January, yeah, yeah, and Green Mountain Power weather experts say this is the this is the pattern We're going to live with into the foreseeable future. So it's not like this is a one-year thing We got it. We got to take some real solid action The pattern of Chicago, right? We call summer construction season. Okay, so We're a little bit further south we get a little bit more Variability, it's it's going to be a major future problem. The other thing I mentioned start discussing it then I sent said Kevin and no Well, yes, I sent Kevin a note. I think maybe the April 1st meeting the the extension of the lease for the for the Durset Park skating Association the rings have decided to proceed with the with the common entry way for the for the arenas where Hopefully we're on a fast track for that We'd like to get it under construction this spring and done by fall about 2.2 million dollar project But in order to do that, we need to refinance in order to refinance We need to extend the lease with the city out to I think 2040 I'll be getting elderly by then But I don't anticipate we'll have a problem that I just want to put it on everybody's radar That's right, are any 2dRs involved in it Right Not funny Okay, those are a couple items for future conversations and discussions now now Counselor Coffin, what is your motion to adjourn? I won't be here on the 18th April March March March 18. I Won't be here for the second meeting in April. Whoa We have a some one other signature tonight We can certify that that's a case, but you need to certify to so