We provide to the fleet all the commodities that they may need on a deployment and also for training as well. We can replenish four or five ships before we start to run low on cargo fuel. USNS Medgar Evers, plus USNS First Lieutenant Jack Loomis, USNS Grasp, and USNS Spearhead made simultaneous stops at Naval Station Rhoda as part of their MSC missions, which range from salvaging ships to supporting African partnerships. One Navy diver was proud to be a part of the USNS Grasp team. It's excellent to know that we can take a group of a small team of Navy divers and go anywhere in the Mediterranean and anywhere across Africa and perform our mission and do work with our foreign counterparts. So it's exciting and it's a challenging job that everybody enjoys. There are nearly 100 US Naval support ships assisting the Navy worldwide. From Naval Station Rhoda, I'm Petty Officer McKayla Gerson.


We are at, I think we begin, and welcome to the second meeting of the SCPN 2016. If I just ask everybody to make sure their mobile phones and electronic devices are switched off. The first item on the agenda is a decision on taking business in private, and if we can agree to take agenda item 4 in private, are members content with that? We move on to item 2, which is the annual report. It's our second piece of business. Can I ask if members are content with the content of it? It seems to be fairly factual. Any content? The secretaries will arrange for the publication of the report. Agenda item 3, Corporate Governance of Audit Scotland. Our third item of business is to consider the paper in the Corporate Governance of Audit Scotland, and we are inviting to agree a 1 per cent increase in the daily rate payable to members of the Audit Scotland board. Are members content? Given 1 per cent is the going rate all round. Absolutely. With the agreement of members, that concludes the public part of our meeting today, which is our final meeting of the session. Although there is nobody here from Audit Scotland, we should perhaps place on record our thanks for Audit Scotland over the last few years, their input and their co-operation with the commission. For the clerks and the support that we have had from everybody who has supported the commission over that period. As previously agreed, we move into private session.


with some more of what in the morning. And hope you're enjoying the local flavor sana I go by the name of Barry Moses or it's Barry Moses on every social media platform. And it's always a pleasure, as I always say. Entrepreneurship Tuesday is here. Y254 channel on Twitter, Y254 underscore channel on Instagram, and Y254 on Facebook is the way to interact with us. So today, I'd like to focus on an aspect of the entertainment industry.  We have hosted a couple of guest DJs on Y in the morning. But today, I'd like us to get to understand the business and who else to teach us the business other than DJ Jomba himself. Garibu Sana. Sana, Mr. Barry. How are you? I'm fine, man. It's a pleasure. Pleasure to be here. You built your empire over time. You've come a long way in Kuru County. Kuru County. Representing. All right, so maybe you can give them a brief intro of yourself, DJ Jomba. Kauna Ta Kua Piazile Jinaz Koko IDP Anisawa, a brief bio, and then we can carry on. OK. Hi, everyone. My family, and my friends, other DJs, and my crew here. Me and my DJ Jomba are from Nijui. Real names came from Jomba. Born and raised from the coast. But Saitu Kua Pa Kuhasul. Saitu Kua Pa Kuhasul is based on entrepreneurship Tuesday on Y in the morning. And DJ Jomba did us one, but he didn't come by himself. I'm Kujan Amgeni, and we'd like to know who this guy is. Yeah, my name is Patrick. I'm DJ Patrick, representing Blu-ray. Actually, I'm in Blu-ray, DJ's academy. And I was born from Akuru, raised in Akuru. Nice one. And I've seen you engineering a lot of stuff. Ulu Kua, you control a lot during the connections of the staff. I see you're very skilled in this. Are these some of the things you learned at Blu-ray? Yeah, yeah, everything. When are you graduating? I'm already graduating. I actually have a set. You actually have a set? All right, so this brother here runs an institution of higher learning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, but we'll get back to you. In the meantime, you can line up some Kenyan music for us to see Bhutan in a calligraph, Tafavali. Za. I was Za. So DJ Jomba, your journey starts way back. After high school, you can collect Somayakitu, which you are not practicing anymore. Maybe when I practice at Blu-ray, I don't know so much about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in real life. Me nearly Somaya procurement. Procurement, I did a diploma in procurement from 2012. No, from 2013, from 2013 till late 2014. Then, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know much about it. So for me, music is... Especially in Kenyatta. Yeah, music is my dream. So I decided to watch Somayakitu procurement. I think it's because of the Empire. So I did the calls, finished successfully. Then here I am, starting the journey and I'll tell you about it when I watch it. All right, while studying procurement at this school, which school, by the way, represent for them was? Kenya Institute of Management. Nakuru Campus. Hi, everyone. We're here in Bukka. You presented Kabisa when you were in the morning. So when you were studying this, you were still a DJ while in college, right? No, no, no. I started getting into entertainment when I was in college. Yeah, I think the second year, yeah. In the second year, you were in entertainment. Yeah, because I was in the academy to look what to know about easy events, campus nights and so on. So I was among the members. Then I decided to form a crew. So I decided to form a crew. You know, to talk what to know about your iso-staffs, my entertainment, iso-functions. Then I called it Blu-ray entertainment. From, it was 2014. 2014. So Blu-ray is roughly five years now. Yeah, five years in the game size, yeah. Five years in counting. Exactly. Half a decade right there. Yeah, exactly. All right, so what pushes people to get into a business, per se, is maybe one or another gap in the market. Some or another, they can do it. They have something unique. Yeah. That is not there at all. Yeah, exactly. Some or another. It's something that is there, but there's a gap. It's not where you find it to the fullest. Which one prompted you to start this? Maybe I got into entertainment because it was passion. And then I loved music, generally from way back, way back, way back when I was a child. And then, when I started, I started working as an officer. There are a lot of great graduates. Which you did forward. Yeah. There are graduates who don't know which to now congratulate. But again, when I started to do a job, I started to create employment. So, I decided that this entertainment company don't have to build an empire. Which is working for you. I see you have prodigies already.  I just came with one. All right. You had a nine to five for some time after finishing college. Exactly. You have a design, you have a focus on this, in particular. All right. What is your nine to five? Do you have capital or mail? I have a lot of capital. I have a lot of money. And I also have a lot of entertainment. I have a lot of money. So, I have a lot of money. And then, let me try this. Because from the advice, you will get the best cause. All right. At what point, Tullisqia, eh, this is not for me anymore. Because so many people fear that step. Because monthly salary could take the risk. Yeah, exactly. They could kick you out and landlord and everything. At what point did you know I have to leave this? And what are some of the steps you took to make sure you are not going back to the street? At the time when entertainment started paying good. Yeah. Then I decided, let me be my own boss. Rather than having a boss, let me be my own boss. And it worked out good. Blu-ray is here all night in the morning. See, over here, DJ Jomba himself in studio. White Fair 4 channel on Twitter. White Fair 4, underscore channel on Instagram. White Fair 4 on Facebook is the way to interact with us. So Blu-ray has a school now. Yeah. You are the chancellor or the vice chancellor. Ah, the man himself. The man himself. Yeah, behind Blu-ray, it's DJ Jomba. But we have a lot of guys we work with. There's DJ Dubis. There's DJ Charles Mogire. He's in marketing and Dubis is in branding and we teach with him as well. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Kumbua. When I was in the foundation, before you started teaching other people? Me, unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to go to a DJ school. Because all the finances were being... Channeled towards something. Channeled towards your procurement calls. Or more serious calls. Back then, you were DJing. That's a joke, man. You're in Jesus Christ. Your parents cannot pump in money. As a DJ right now, as somebody who owns an entertainment company, you run a DJing school, is it something that you'd advise a parent out there who's watching us right now? Because it's not like I'm on the phone, I don't want to be on the phone. I want to be a DJ. I want to go to a DJ school. Maybe their parents are saying the same thing your parents told you. What would you tell such a parent and what would you tell such a kid? To me, what pays the most is your passion first. Come, say a corner passion. Let them follow that passion. But then, education first, because you don't have an idea to get more ideas. But DJing is easy in Alipasana. In Alipafiti, as in, if you're focused enough and if you know what you're doing in this entertainment. Why is that? It's a thing, it's a thing, it's a thing. So what do you say to DJing in Alipasana? In Alipavizuri. Other aspects of the economy are complaints from industries. Sugar farmers want to complain. We have teachers complaining recently. We have doctors complaining. What do you attribute to this fact that DJing is doing quite well? I think it's a party, a sauna, etc. Your music is life. Music is life. So you can't live without music. You can't live without stress. You can't live without music. You can't live without your dreams. You can't have some time in your music. So music is... So people have some sort of turned it to a basic need? Yeah, exactly. But other entertainment, it's not everyone. You need to work hard. If you're doing DJing or entertainment, then you make it just like that. You have to put in some strength in it. All right, nice one. So we have the setup right here. Yeah, exactly. We have the CEO and founder of the school. We have a protégé right there. And I know nothing about DJing. So maybe you can take me through the first class, day one of your class, to give you a lesson as we proceed. To prove that my student is able, and that I have a foundation, I can take it through one or two, then I can go to school. You can go to university. Yeah, because I have an interview. Nice. I like that. Let me get some lessons from DJ Jombo's protégé. So you can just sit down right there, observe as I get some lessons right here. After you have paid the fees through this reception. You have to go through the first class, introduce yourself to the social media, and then follow me. Any chance you have a chance? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to check from Marsebets to Hosea County. All over Kenya. On Facebook, it's Patrick's Space KE, on Instagram, Patrick's underscore official. Yeah, follow me or follow back? Follow DJ Patrick Apaiwin at our follow back. Yeah, actually follow me if you like me. If you don't like me, you don't follow me. Representing for Nakuru County Nakuru stand up Blu-ray entertainment. So Nishaf Kapale Blu-ray, and you can have a reception, you can have a brochure, you can have a presentation. Okay, the first thing, I'll show you how to set up. So there's a theory part. The theory part. As many understand the equipment. No, no, no. See you are, Akiaki not bad. And ten, Nikoneze, all the knobs and ammonition in here for the cues, the plays. The plays. So many buttons, yeah. Even the volume, then after set up. So the first thing. So these things is a bit Naliambea, a boon-yaw enyashie. So probably the cue where's the cue, the cue is right there, not a label. Yeah, here. The plays, yeah. The play. The volume feeders. The volume feeders are here. So this one is for the right side. for the right side this one is for the left side and then this one is i see this during a scratching it's the crossfader it's the crossfader all right uh this is uh for the temple yeah for the temple for the bpm all right uh what else am i missing uh what goes on in the center right here they're always touching something now forget to get easy easy knobs is the main volume also if like so you can control the party from here if you want them to be knocked by the base uh huh controlling from here exactly nice one uh so there's this thing i see also uh you the song just uh fades into the other and uh they're probably from different genres how does this happen man because uh it's as in the in the morning it's the use of bpm actually you use the bpm to to match the music and the it flows it flows so you match the bpm yeah you match the bpm info for those who don't know probably uh bpm means beats per minute they beat per minute yeah so this is how you know the tempo of the song how fast the song is yeah maybe you can use it to place it in a genre yeah all right so uh and you make your flow so good from your experience bpm ghani is the most suitable for party mood for party mood which one keeps the people on the dance okay let me give you a range from from 95 to like 115 from 95 to 115 yeah maybe you can mention two hit songs that are within this range uh 95 there is there is a able of nandi we go to a hundred actually most of the hit songs are in 100 bpm yeah so most of the hit songs are in 100 bpm yeah so we have nandi right there we have uh nai boy representing yeah we have nai boy who are some of the kenyan artists that you have on your serato as well is this actually all of them actually i love kenyan artists yeah i like representing my kenyan first you have to give me a name brother give me a name who's that guy who's shaking the industry right now um i can name nai boy yeah nai boy and this is a producer called magic singer magic singer the beats are crazy yeah all right every time you play some magic singer people go in the country right now yeah it's because you guys are like the the the meter for us to test which song is a hit which song is not a hit all right uh how is the experience at blu-ray uh it's good but okay there are there are some challenges but the the the play is good all right yeah nice one so uh this is where we play uh like two songs right here dj barry i think i need a stage name for my dj so if you have suggestions send them to white 5 4 channel on twitter white 5 for underscore channel on instagram and white 5 on facebook for my dj name uh let's play some songs just for like two minutes enjoy some music from dj barry as i get taught right here then we'll be back with some more of this interview


the reality is As I stated earlier Israel has dropped an average of one bomb on gaza per death How do you drop one bomb on a extremely densely populated area and kill only one person per bomb dropped? So I want to break down a little bit more about what israel is doing and again I think there's there's legitimate criticism of it. I think israel has uh committed multiple war crimes um In this round of violence and again, i'm not an expert on international law But I think there's a strong case to be made that israel is committing more crimes um the law of proportionality which actually, um Jf read earlier is one that's important to understand. It's actually an interesting, uh It's an interesting law because this is how israel justifies what it does So the rule of proportionality, this is how it's read requires that anticipated incidental loss of human life and damage to civilian objects should not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected from destruction of a military objective Um, the problem with that is that that's highly subjective. How can you determine if the civilian damage Is excessive in relation to the military advantage, right? There's that's super up for interpretation So I think the law of proportionality needs to be modified in some way to make it a little bit more objective So the way israel looks at things You know They're not trying to maximize civilian harm because if they were trying to you'd have a much much much higher civilian death toll What they're doing is just Not caring all too much if civilians die if that means they get to kill some hamas members while they're doing it or destroy hamas infrastructure um, so let me give you an example. There could be a home where there is um Let's say there's hamas members in it. They have a calculation So, you know what there's three hamas members in it, but there's also a family in there israel might decide to bomb it They might uh, and you could very well Make the there's a strong case that that's disproportionate. That's a war crime israel sees it as okay You know civilians are dying as collateral damage and we're destroying hamas members In the instance when there's not no hamas members in there and they want to destroy Infrastructure that's embedded within civilian infrastructure. What they do is they actually shoot a warning shot They tell people to leave the homes They'll sometimes even call the people in the homes tell them to leave and then they'll destroy it because they're trying to cause maximal infrastructural damage while reducing civilian harm Keep in mind israel doesn't have anything to gain by killing civilians I mean, I I guess perhaps there's a case to be made that they have some incentive to kill journalists because journalists can report on their crimes So i'm not going to say that there's no incentive there But you're everyday civilian There's no incentive to kill because all that is is is horrible PR for israel and as we see israel tries You know very hard to win the PR war and unsuccessful and and quite frankly they've done an embarrassing job with some of the videos they've put out But what what is israel really gained from from killing civilians? They they have an interest to defeat hamas They haven't been interest to create maximum infrastructural damage and perhaps now they have an interest to move as many gauze and south as possible which would also justify them, you know Creating massive infrastructural damage the whole idea that they're indiscriminately targeting civilians and trying to cause as much civilian harm as possible Just isn't reflected here Adar keeps bringing back the they are not trying to maximize civilian death. That has never been our point Our point is the actions committed qualify under the term genocide. That's my point And i've never talked of maximization. Yes israel does have Probably a I wasn't speaking just to I was talking about what we hear online how they say israel is trying to you know Indiscriminately target civilians I know I I know based on the definition you read that it could be a you know partial harm But I still think based on the definition you read it does not meet the criteria of genocide And that's what I wanted to comment on this whole obfuscation over the word intent is absolutely ridiculous What adar is telling us is basically there might be a genocide happening, but it was unintentional Does it really matter at this point the word intentional and The degree of mens ria that you need to have when you decide to send 15 000 bombs toward a civilian population as far as i'm concerned any Intelligent human being with a hundred IQ should be able to conclude it's going to kill a lot of civilians. Therefore, it's intentional Yeah, I mean it may be crude to to say but you could say like say Uh, do I want to go there? Uh when hitler rounded up People in the ghettos right if he just started indiscriminately bombing them and then kept saying to the un Why aren't they leaving? Why aren't they why are they shielding the resistance movement yada yada yada? And then kept bombing them. I mean that's what I mean They're doing the same thing Hitler hitler had pushed them all into an area a literal open-air prison And then said oh, why aren't they going south? Why aren't they they should just go south? Why won't they just leave their land? They just need to get out of gaza? And then they're indiscriminately bombing. I mean you could argue. Yeah, they're not effectively Genociding them enough, but they are doing their goal, which is to push them out Correct, which and and and if they don't let them return then that would be ethnic cleansing, right? Just based on definitions I I mean if we want to talk about hitler hitler had a clear intention of destroying the jewish population the jewish population reduced by 30 to 50 in like a matter of eight years. So I think That's very different than the palestinian population tripling Israel again has the means to reduce the palestinian population Had they intended to so to see a tripling of of a palestinian population Clearly clearly. That's not what genocide looks like We just admitted that they can't do it. The age of genociding is the age of more definition of genocide is over in the information age So we think ethnic cleansing constitutes genocide, but if you want to disagree, whatever, I'll use your terminology I think the reason there's a different term between like the reason we have genocide is one term and ethnic cleansing Another term is because they're distinct and it doesn't mean that one is moral and the other is not but it's it's there's They're not the same thing. So just so we don't get stuck on these semantic arguments It's better to be accurate in the terminology we use and I really You know, and I don't think I've shown any sign of of Again, we all we all have our bias, but I make a real effort to try to be as fair as possible So I have no intention to defend Israel. Israel is, you know Committed many crimes and I'll speak on those crimes and I think it's essential if we want to move forward We need to be honest about the crimes both sides commit So if Israel was committed genocide, I'd stand here and say Israel's committing genocide But I I'd like to be honest. I'd like to be fair. So I'm going to go and say that Israel has engaged in ethnic cleansing I think currently Israel is committing war crimes And I think if Israel doesn't let the Palestinian popular The the Gaza population return to to north Gaza than that would be another instance of ethnic cleansing And I think that's that's speaking truly honest on the situation You're sharing something Just hold on a second. Jay, if you're sharing something on your screen right now I know it's in an effort to try to obfuscate what solo might have been saying right there But do you want to share your screen so we can actually see what you're putting up because it's so small on our live stream? Nobody can see what it is that you've got highlighted there I'm more than fine if you want to do a screen share, but you know, nobody can see what you got going on there JF are you there? While we're waiting for JF. I'd just like to jump in and say that Disproportionality might be a nice classroom type of moral concept But wars are one by applying disproportionate force to your foe And if you're invading an area no matter it that's that's Occupied militarily a civilian area. There is no way To fight your military opponents without affecting the civilians and we can talk about the niceties of war But that's the reality you win wars by applying disproportionate force And yes, there are going to be civilian casualties to Say that it's a crime has to you have to show intent or criminal negligence and so intent is Very important in this conversation All right, um I've got to ask you guys so if Hamas just wins right and then they say oh if you're Jewish you can stay there or you have to leave if you're like a Zionist supporter and you ever want to have a Jewish homeland again Like so you're saying just might makes right. That's what you guys all agree on essentially But I would say not not not on a moral level. I think in practicality generally those who have might get to get to determine You know the the nature of reality You know generally speaking I like to take a step back and not You know my morality not based is not based on who has more power Um, but I also very much acknowledge those who have most power are going to act in that way All right, let's try to move on there fellas Right like and who's saying like you know to speak to that point if if Hamas wins If if Hamas wins the jews will be genocide. It doesn't make it justify. That's just the reality of the situation You know, why why do you think that if their charter says no though? Like why do you not believe Hamas if i'm supposed to believe israel? Why we not believe Hamas like Hamas changed Well, I'll I'll tell you why you know Hamas very much has had um Has tried to modernize themselves to get acceptance from the international community So removing genocide from their charter has been awfully convenient But if we look at the nature of the october 7th attacks um A third of those killed were uh military two-thirds were Were civilians and then you had a Hamas leader come out and said we'll continue similar attacks Uh till till the end of israel both both Hamas Uh and the palestinian population Are loud and clear when they say they want to rid the land of jews Again, it's not it's not everyone but those calling for peace you don't hear Those calling for the destruction of israel are loud and you don't hear any condemnation of them in in palestinian society So this is really about taking palestinians at their word which I think is is important to do But I also want to leave people with hope and not think that this is the destiny of palestinian sentiment Because given in different environmental conditions palestinian sentiment will change so we need to work to change the environmental conditions To be more hospitable to to create a you know a population that's oriented to peace But right now Right now, you know, there's no reason to think that it won't end in genocide Okay All right, anybody have uh jf or justice you have any thoughts on that before I move on I know I you know I don't want to cut you guys out just because so adar as a problem with describing current events as genocide But he can he allows himself to talk of future genocide in an even looser way that is quite fascinating to me Right and he thought so justice Wait, so jeff you're saying In order for me to be suspicious of a population committing genocide in the future I need to incorrectly define genocide in the present. I don't follow your logic No, I'm saying that if you want to allow yourself speculations about the future Potential for genocide you should definitely be alarmed at ongoing genocides All right Again, so so what you're saying is the only way I can be alarmed for future genocide is if I incorrectly describe genocide today I don't follow that logic last Then the un is also incorrect about its definition I guess the whole historic history community and the people who do international law they're all incorrect All right, we're moving on fellas. We got our next question coming in Lots of great unfolding there. Thank you so much for that question. We had a lot of fun with that Isak beer says great convo who's saying jgf justice adair on a hard topic No kidding there issa and I absolutely want to extend a thank you to everybody in the live chat When I put in the live chat that I did not want to hear anymore of a specific thing that was going on in live chat And you all respected that I haven't seen any more of it. So, you know Let's carry on So NZ says I propose a scientific experiment for jews and muslims to live peacefully together Put them together in a small area in each country With different isolated parameters Spain builds youth centers france enforces French Finland a rural life, etc As the only Europe in this debate I reject the offer for Europe, but if you want to try this in india go ahead I think we should ground our ideas in reality. Israelis aren't going anywhere palestinians aren't going anywhere Um, let's accept this as as fact and let's move forward from there All right. Well, we can move forward from there. Well, thank you so much for your super chat I'm sorry. We didn't have more to unfold on that I will let everybody know As per usual, we will be doing an after-show Over on me and ozion's channel, which is matters now We had a really cool interview with james there if anybody Cares to go and look at that. We had good discussion about where we think the future of debate is going And you know, we have a lot of cool discussions over there and a lot of cool guests on matters now I also put the stream yard link for all of our guests here If they want to join but of course, you know, these discussions can be absolutely draining And we want to make sure that we are giving our speakers a chance and a space to like I say Get their drinks and also get out of here at a decent time, right? Like nobody wants to be hanging out forever But if you don't want to hang out afterwards love it bite me xd says as a christian in american In america, I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars going to a foreign war Like ukraine and israel when is israel going to stop to Stop running to us to back them. I'm so sick and tired of them and zealinsky. So that's from bite me xd thoughts on that panel Absolutely, you're right And it's not going to stop as long as we allow Foreign and teras to be controlling of american politics really and as long as the israeli financial networks and Israeli supporting financial networks of the world and the jewish diaspora in particular Participates to the political pressure. They do america will continue being a slave to israeli and teras for many decades. So Does anyone yeah, it is uh, I had a question on that idea Do you find it weird that you can't have like chinese or russian dual citizenship with america? Or like arab dual citizenship, but like israel is the only one from what I understand that you can Or is maybe there's some other states There are a few others. Um Well, I think russia and china are a good example because those aren't in the us sphere of influence. So they're seen as You know, essentially enemies. Um, I I think if we were to break down why america views israel is So favorable or at least in policy and funding some of it comes down to the pro-israel lobby And that's generally what we hear about But I think there's actually more reason to it than that. Uh, one of them as we mentioned earlier military industrial complex Uh, you know 70 percent of of the funding israel gets needs to be re-spent in american companies essentially having to be a a subsidy for war companies Um, and then and then this is a reason that is is very much understated it's it comes from, um united states geopolitical like, um consideration The united states wants to increase their sphere of influence right So any country that is currently within their sphere of influence that is Battling those who are outside of their sphere of influence. They're going to prop up heavily, right? There's not a strong pro-ukrain lobby, uh in the united states So why is the united states giving billions of dollars to ukraine, right? So clearly just blaming the pro-israel lobby. It's not it's it might play into it But it's not enough of of the reason why that support is there The the pro-israel lobby could disappear tomorrow and us foreign policy would still give israel four billion dollars and still be very supportive of Of of israel what might change is the amount of politicians that's that uh speak favorably of uh of israel, right? So you might have a situation where politicians are trying to listen to their voter base But they also want to listen to their donors and there might be a little bit of contention there So that might change but us foreign policy is not going to change if the pro-israel lobby disappears All right, let's move on to our next question. Sorry about that everybody. I accidentally left the uh subscribe label over my face For so long that you thought You know something must have happened to me and that's okay. I'm okay Uh, let's carry on wrong webster. Most Arab nations are also smetic Semite refers to any people that speak a Semitic language It's a declaration. Uh, what do we have to say about that our panel? Uh, I could I could speak to that I've been speaking so much so somebody else wants to but this this is really about the term anti-Semitic Yeah, I think jf you had some thoughts there I mean, it's just correct. Uh, but it really doesn't matter. We know what people mean to say when they say anti-Semitic They mean anti-Jew and everyone understands. So it really doesn't matter this semi thing Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's it's today becomes synonymous with anti-Jewish. So There's no reason to pretend like it means something else and and also, uh Semitic isn't even a classification of language anymore. It's no longer used. So that's it's not even true that that's the case All right. Well, let's carry on. Uh, we got lots of more super chats coming in. Well, actually not too many more We're winding down. Uh, if you have any more questions in the live chat, I see you're very lively They're in the live chat quote-unquote Put them into a super chat and we will try to keep the conversation going these guys to go a little Over time during their open discussion. But like I said, I think this was a little long overdue for modern day debate to be Having this discussion. So it's fine that we went a little over time. I think Yeah, nobody's giving me any like dark eyes or anything like that. So I think we'll carry on and Nobody's too upset arcade outposts says to sula You don't need ancient texts quoted out of context Liberal jays in the west and make whole careers demonizing whites and whiteness While saying they aren't white and their cronies and in media Amplify it thoughts on that subjectly So every was that yeah, he here's a question back Essentially what you're describing you're attributing to Liberal Jews, but if you were to remove Jews from the equation you would have Liberals doing the same thing so Essentially what we're happening we attribute certain qualities to a group So Jews are disproportionately represented in in media in hollywood and finance a lot of positions of power so anybody who has concern with the political and ideological views of These institutions are naturally going to have a tendency to blame jews for it because they're disproportionately represented But they're not even the majority in most of these institutions Um, like the majority of finance are not jewish. They're just Overrepresented by a few hundreds sometimes a few thousand percent Um, and again, you know, I I could understand that grievance, but you remove the jews from power Fine, so you just have christian liberals who have the same views. You don't really solve the problem So I think instead of blaming it on an ethnic group, which only demonizes an entire group Which which also keep in mind that just makes the group solidify more So the the best way to Make american jews be more american is to stop singling that out and demonizing them right anti-semitism leads to jewish pride And you could see other instances for this even the palestinian nationalism in many regards as a result of zionism and the reason why we still have You know pride parades every year is because gays traditionally didn't have the same rights as straight people So when you when you group hate results in that group being more prideful So there's no there's no stronger fuel to jewish pride than anti-semites So instead of focusing on the group focus focus on the individuals you don't like and their beliefs and call them out And that's a better way to deal with them I disagree adar is making a strong claim here that you get the same state of anti-whitism In western civilization without the jews I'm not sure i'm not sure that if you remove from the equation the singman friard The various arvard Professors that have been going strong after whiteness and wanting a strong push strongly pushing the woke Talking points against whiteness. I'm not sure you get the same direction for civilization I'm not sure even that the academia as a whole would be anti-white or that the liberals would be anti-white I think it's a very strong claim with very little evidence here um Well, when you look at the rest of the institution though the non-jewish parts of the institution It's not like they're fund them Fundamentally different ideologically than the jews. So essentially what you're saying is the only reason they believe that is because the jews Convince them, but you can you could see a lot of reason for anti-white sentiment try to keep my intersection Intersectionality is a very good political tool All it does is combine a lot of minority groups into one voter base It gets them to have a common enemy the white man and rally around this common grievance Which is which all all that really does is allow the democratic party to rally voters and not really do anything to change the situation It gives this like vague concept of anti whiteness fight anti whiteness when we won't even change any policy That's going to make a difference You could see why it's convenient for for any white liberal to to push that on on a political basis I I don't think it has nearly as much to do with jews as you think before we move on Did you have any thoughts on this? sentiment who's saying or justice Uh, I mean, I don't uh, how do I explain it? Um All groups have like historically use their power to like abuse others. So I don't necessarily um And then um, they usually have like reformist movements So um and to be honest like a lot of what liberalism stands for has come and like secular humanism and Atheism and like certain things that I don't personally agree with like they've all stemmed from like christian uh, shanity so and Judaism to be honest, so You know, I don't know. I think they're kind of both that fall for their current state of the world.  Well, I'll go back to algeria if you just stop effing with algeria. So That's how I feel about that kind of stuff All right, let's carry on everybody. Uh, thank you so much for all your thoughts jimson You know your amicability on this panel. This has been like I said, it's not an easy topic Uh, we thought to have a debate on uh, but you guys have made it really easy and we really appreciate you So, uh, let's carry on Uh, arcade outpost a second question here. Thank you, buddy. Uh to sula Jays are over-represent. So it's jews are over over represents that it over represented by their own admission in every academic and political Oregon the west It's not an accident that we are told from the top down to accept refugees from wars for israel thoughts on that panel It's too sula, but there's a lot there Yeah, I mean the the vast majority of refugees in the united states have no connection to israel or palestine So that I mean that's that's just not true and again these beliefs that you don't like They're not jewish beliefs. They're liberal beliefs So it's true that the jews that have disproportionate power are generally liberal But you're making it an issue with the jews rather than with liberalism call out the ideology not the entire group of people Because most jews don't have power Or don't have more power than that the average american and you have many jews who also You know don't have that same ideology So what do you actually gain from making it about the jews rather than talking about the people in power and the beliefs that they hold Besides besides really increasing jewish pride and strengthening zions and that's really the result of of this framing It's it's it's a counterproductive framing Not all framing by group is Counterproductive some may simply give further insight and may allow to be predictive of future things that you wouldn't have understood Otherwise if you hadn't seen the world through the lens of race, I think it's very important There are some basic facts for example And i'm getting out of the subject of jews here just to give an example But you can have certain Rates of criminality in certain races and from these rights you can predict certain things you can predict I have that much chance of being assaulted here. I have that much chance of being assaulted there The same can be true of an intellectual understanding of is there something special about the jews? That led to their particular contribution to western civilization in a way that we could protect ourselves from it in the future Yeah, I mean, I think there's certainly jewish individuals that you know jewish individuals have certainly disproportionately contributed to parts of Of culture and a lot of it is things like science and medicine and you know also call it wokeness But even your example of of populations that commit more crimes. I mean, it sounds like you're referring to You know black americans, but even amongst black americans, there's there's a huge disparity depending on where they originate from right so like Caribbean americans and african americans and african immigrants from actual africa all have different crime rates So it's better to be very specific about who you're talking about and talk more about the culture You don't like rather than the race because again when you talk about the race, it's it's demonizing to all people when you talk about the culture Um and the individuals you're really only demonizing those who are acting in a certain way But sometimes it'll be stuck without the facts at the individual level and the race category can be useful in these instances And and you know what jf? I would even go to agree There are some instances where it makes easier It's easier to describe things if you look at it in terms of racial and ethnic terms But the downside I think isn't worth the utility you gain from it because again the downside causes the demonization of the entire group And generally that group to just have more pride and more nationalism And there's other ways to describe it that don't cause that that same effect. So I think those are the descriptors. We should look for So dar if you say like say, uh, oh, I think what if jeff says like, oh, I think jewish culture is an issue Then it's okay to you. I guess or is that is that what you're saying?  Um, if that annoys you, okay fine But generally the the parts of jewish culture that they're describing is just liberal ideology It's it's not really anything inherent to judeism.  It's regressive, you know, let's be honest about that But I mean the the majority of woke people and woke activists are not jewish You know, they're it's it's primarily white liberals and then you have black liberals are the second largest group and jews probably come third or fourth So I don't think it's uh, it's right to look at it as jewish culture. It's um It's it's it's woke culture and and you know, I consider myself to be a liberal and quite anti-woke because it's regressive and it's harmful It's actually one of the it's one of the dumbest ideologies today And I'm surprised how popular it became given how irrational Uh, and and counterproductive it is to to any goal of building a better society I'd like to just draw attention to the fact that our honored opposition Uh Goes to the argument of The west controlling all muslim nations the jews controlling all academia as some kind of an argument I think this is just intellectually dishonest and rather lazy, but I think we all I think all four of us can agree uh that woke ideology is regressive and harmful Sure, but how how is that regressive to say that like people have political power and there's a western hegemony I mean Like when we go back to even the israel and britain like britain literally essentially was kingmaker in the israel palestine discussion So despite them promising arab sovereignty They essentially gave it to israel and zionist because they didn't want to have jewish people in their country That's that's literally what it stemmed from and then church hill for example Said oh like a bunch of people were essentially anti-semitic and they're like, I don't want to have the jews in my land So we should support zionism I seriously Because some kids fiercely that they literally are admitting that western leaders were admitting that I would again, uh, heavily suggest that the audience inform themselves on the material, uh, Situate circumstances the 1947 war and not use just simple youtube talking points provided by hussein here um for that You again zionism happened before the 1940s Hussein I have a question to you about you know how we talk about groups. Would you prefer that? Let's do it Yeah, would you prefer that europeans say we have a problem with islam or would you prefer we have a problem with? um People who believe that apostasy should be punishable by death I don't have a problem with either But but don't you see as one targeting, uh, what's actually wrong and the other just talking about an entire religion? No, because I can ask for clarification, but I understand that um And it really depends on the person too because one could be targeting the entire religion And one could be just using that as a tool to say that they have a problem with people who are um Wanting to put to death people who do apostasy. So if that makes sense, right? So it could be like a lazy tool by someone who is like maybe less educated So when they're saying like, oh, I have a problem with With muslims, right? Uh, it could be coming from like a lazy talking point But what in reality they mean is like that we don't conform to quote unquote liberalism now I would argue like they don't even conform to liberalism and that's why liberalism is stupid. Um, but Well, so so I would agree with you I think it's often an easy descriptor But it generally causes harm right because that just breeds more islamophobia and creates it creates more tensions between people Um, so it's better to talk about the the ideology and people who believe that ideology rather than make it about the religion Then not every one of that religion Uh, believes so I think even let's say 50 of uh, of muslims Yeah, but what those people are trying to do for example, like david wood or apostate prophet who gets hosted here regularly They go online and then they say oh islam says this But then they remove all context and then they narrative build to make it as if it's like some demonic religion Ignoring what christianity says about apostasy Ignoring about what liberals say about betrayal of their nation So you can be an atheist for example or a Someone who believes in subjective morality or whatever or agnostic and you'll still put to death someone you think is a Betrayer or harmful to your nation and there's plenty of people who have done that So the fact of the matter is that in a way to me, they're all hypocrites So they all want to put to death their enemy or whatever, you know, so Right I would agree those people and the way they they talk about it are the problem for sure They they make it about an entire group Yeah, but I don't have a problem with like in a way they're doing it I guess because it's just like a lazy way of doing it, but um, I can so I don't understand what you're saying though. So yeah All right, I think I think in general, you know the There's there's so much hate today and and you know social media just makes it so much worse It's you know, you look at twitter It's a shit show and I think if we could all be a little bit more attentive on how we describe things We can make a lot of progress in our ability to communicate with the other side effectively So that that's why I I push for this You're putting a little slightly finer point put it put it putting on a slightly finer point to our dars Uh, you know question to you who's saying what I would just say also like Islam is an ideology even though it is a religion It's also an ideology. So it's even like saying I'm against Arabs as opposed to saying I'm against uh Islam Like that's that's really the finer point. Um So I think you would have to agree that it would be better to say, you know I'm against Islam as an ideology that people can either accept or reject as opposed to saying I'm against all Arabs regardless of whether or not they're you know Part of that particular ideology Regardless of how right or wrong you are in the framing of the religion closing thoughts who say Sure, I guess I don't have a I don't have a problem with what you're saying I guess to me like the weird thing is like everything's an ideology or everything's a religion like when you And again, there's like polls on this which I did with my prior debate on secular humanism I mean people do essentially and the Quran talks about this they They take whatever their belief is be it atheism or whatever and they expound it to a higher value that they want making it their religion So, you know, am I gonna you and I would agree with you and I would You and I would agree on that. Um, but that's why I'm talking about it's it's not helpful to say the jews Just as it's not helpful to see the Arabs Even if you believe that Islam is an ideology like Judaism or liberalism There All right, let's carry on fellas. We had a couple more super chats before we do close out the show Uh, so I do want to once again say thank you to everybody who has been here Samir asks What if they both pronounced their country name and lived together under a new named holly land? This experiment of living together worked in south africa Holy land, that's what he probably met Maybe a joke here But I like the joke very very well done south africa didn't go well Yes, south africa is not a not a great success story. Um, you know Sorry continue on i'm just i'm just having a laugh with your fellows I mean jeff I have a question on that. Do you think that south africa like they should have just left Back to like dutch or wherever they're from historically Uh, yes, I've been totally stunned by the fact that there are white people in south africa and they they feel like they They're ready to die there rather than escape. I I would have escaped But i'm a different person. I understand that there's a part of humanity They just stay in place and that's what causes a lot of drama and that's their right to me I'm not good and you know, you have israel very often saying well, we warn the the civilians They should have escaped north of gaza. We told them we would bomb Uh, i'm i'm totally hesitant at joining this side of the argument and I tend to think that yeah You have the right to stay where you are you do not have a duty to retreat to state violence And so that's why i'm very admirative of the people who stay there, but personally i'm a fleer I'm a I keep fleeing. I I flee hundreds of years before the genocide actually begins Is that a canadian trader or a french trait, you know, that's the mix of I'm always going north and i'm always going toward colder countries with the hope of Not being in the middle of something like the middle east isn't Yeah, okay No, so, you know on that question though I I think our ability to to find a solution We need to understand sentiment on the land and the majority of palestinians are Are stuck on the name palestine and the majority of israelis are stuck on the name israel And it's going to be very hard to change them. So don't resist in areas which aren't necessary to Uh resist I think you could call, you know, if it's two states you have israel and palestine or if it's a federation It could be the federation of israel and palestine or we call it We just call it palestine but s s te ineth and to kind of talk about its jewish demographic All right, let's carry on fellas Uh Robin webster second last question If you have any other super chats in that live chat get them in now because we're winding The heck down. That's me. Uh making a pg-14 Robin webster, we support ukraine because of a budapest referendum Thank you, robin webster for your super chat. What do you think of that? Um, I think about a whole lot of thoughts now Sorry, yeah, I think we support Yeah, I think the west supports, uh ukraine as a byproduct of the um Support that the west gave to anti-soviet countries during the soya union and as a legacy artifact the fact that we were the guarantors of ukrainian um nuclear You know giving up the nuclear weapons And so this is a question for the united american people is do we if if we don't want to be the guarantors of people giving up the nuclear weapons We shouldn't commit to that that kind of stuff. Um, so that's that's the reasons are pretty straightforward Are you Jf any thoughts no no no all right Um, s'la I you know, I know that uh, I've given you quite a bit of speaking time I'm not gonna just you know pretend a you know that uh, uh, I've tried to make sure that you got your thoughts out there But did you have any thoughts on this? I I I missed otherwise known as a dog Yeah, I'm sorry s'la otherwise known as a dog No, I I was gonna say I really appreciate, uh, yeah at our, uh Thoughts on this because uh, you know, you definitely have some What was the question again? I'm sorry. Uh, so they were trying to make a parallel But I think what we should do is move on because we do have another question here Maybe this will really it was about ukraine. Somebody trying to get me put in jail You you come down to the rover justice You behave So last question coming in, uh, this is from king solo wings So let's see. I think king you're going to stir the pot of discussion here When will palestine give the land back to the ottoman empire? Has palestine won any wars ever the two hamas supporters are anti american marxists You don't have to win a war to be the legitimate occupier of a place when we visited palestine Back in the 19th century it was filled with arabs and it doesn't matter exactly what happened with the ottoman empire They could have just deserted this place and eventually it got reoccupied or there may have been a military conflict That doesn't matter at all to the question of what's happening today and Of properly labeling what's happening today in israel All right thoughts on the panel Uh, I agree. It's kind of weird That he uh, jeff's being labeled a marxist. I don't think I would have heard that Laura hamas jeff is definitely Definitely jeff is definitely not a marxist, but he is Strange uh saying that oh there were arabs in palestine during ottoman rule. Um, yeah, he rejects the idea that Is the ethnic inhabitants of palestine who were also jews have a right to to the land so Is the point that i'm making is a historical one just the same point that jeff just made All right, any thoughts over there silla My dear If the ottoman empire was still around maybe there'd be a conversation to be had but they're gone so irrelevant Bring back the calcite All right, excellent Well, what we're going to do everybody is we will do a closing statement one minute per each person on the panel here We appreciate all of our speakers jeff hussein justice and adir will be linked in the description So if you want to hear more from each of our speakers whether you're listening on youtube or on our podcast forums We will have all of our speakers linked whether the link now or in our post Production we will get that taken care of so i have in order here silla justice jeff and hussein We're going to take it through that order here So silla one minute on the clock your closing statements on our discussion tonight and where you think the uh the future of this is headed Yeah, sure. So first of all silla as i mentioned isn't my name It's it's a youtube channel i have which actually silla means to reconcile an arabic So that's really what what i think we should be talking about like how do we reconcile between both people and that really comes down to understanding The concerns fears hopes and aspirations of both people and and what's what's fundamental to the energy behind zion zionism More than anything is a need for security and what's fundamental to its palestin the movement for palestinian rights is a sense of justice So let's look for a solution that provides security for jews and justice for palestinians Let's accept israel's right to exist. But let's also transform israel to make it easier for palestinians to accept israel All right, uh, we have one more question come in here. So thank you for your closing statement Maybe this will stir a little bit more thought could the recent bricks retaliation against the us dollar mean the beginning of the world power Change and could it affect israel palestinian conflict? That would be great, but it's a it's a pipe dream I think the us still has domination of the world for maybe 20 to 40 years I think they will be superior in robotics technology Mastering of technology in relation to ai so they're still going to have a technological advance for many decades I hate to say that I grew with jf. I hate to say that I grew with jf um Again looking back to the historical precedent The six-day war happened during a genuine Multipolar world where the soviet union along with its satellite states and allies were supporting one side And the united states along with its Satellites and allies were supporting the other and it didn't lead to some peace in the middle east, you know kumbaya situation so this I this this uh these hopes that are that are Hung on the idea of multiplayer polarity are just people who don't understand history Yeah, I'll agree with uh jeff, uh kiddafi, uh tried to create a unified arab nations and uh Pan africanism with like investing heavily in africa and north africa as well as the middle east And wanting to make kind of like a usa of the arab nations literally got assassinated when you wanted to be backed by gold standard As well being backed out his economy backed by real money um, so yeah, every time anyone tries to Challenge the western hegemoni. They uh get kud toppled So yeah, I don't uh see it changing for a while. So all right. Well, uh, let's give the floor to justice one minute for your closing there, buddy All right, again, thank you to marna debates for hosting this this debate I think the thing that I'd like to say In my closing would be that it is important that we realize on both sides the Historic claim that both israelis and arabes have to this part of the world unless we all recognize that the there will be no peace and going back and saying things like Israelis are colonists or colonial powers or outposts of colonial powers or saying things like arab Uh, pet the palestinian nation people never existed Arabs, you know, palestinians don't palestinians don't exist. Arabs aren't palestinians Whatever is just not helpful We need to look for solutions and I suggest that one of the solutions that we can find in this or at least move towards is Uh, by promoting that the western countries like the united states not Unilaterally arm israel, which could help Um, give motivation for israel to seek more peaceful solutions to state solution Most likely is what we should be shooting for. Um, no pun intended Uh, after the october 7th attacks, this is going to be a lot harder to do But I think we would all agree that is the the situation that we should be moving forward But what we can do in the west again is by supporting policies and politicians who Understand that this is a nuanced and hard situation and arming one side. Um, just extends the problem All right, I'll be very short for my conclusion Uh, I appreciate the subtlety of the thoughts we heard tonight and the good faith Of the people on the other side, uh, but it's so far from reality because it's a theoretical Peace situation that we're talking about which is impossible to implement in reality which doesn't even come to address the The factions of extremists that we have on the israeli side and on the arab side And the fact is the middle east is a big pile of shit and it's going to remain as such It's going to be conflict forever.  Thank you everybody and uh, From who's saying to everybody? I don't know Jeff saw the chat I just said I'll I'll breed him The muslims must have went Inshallah, um, all right. Who's saying you got one minute? Thanks for that buddy that was so, um I'll keep it brief too. Uh, other than outbreeding, uh, you know, my fellow, uh, atheists and christians Um, pretty much I'd like to say that if there was justice there really should be only one state which would be palestine um Controlled by the majority. Um, because they have self-determination that could include Jewish people as well as christians as it did prior Under islamic or sharia law and then making a contract and all that don't have a problem with all that That would be what would be just to me. However Like they said as a pragmatic point of view We kind of just have to accept israel's here and a two-state solution would be great Um, I'm not denying that historically jewish people didn't live there Um, just that russian and people aren't native to the region. So Russian and uh, coalition all that so anyways, uh, thanks for the conversation everyone. It was actually pretty good All right, excellent. We're gonna close it out there everybody. So make sure you hit the like and subscribe Uh, I also for all of our speakers. I put in our chat the link to the aftershows So if you're going to be hanging out at matters now For the aftershow definitely check that out. We're going to be discussing what we heard tonight and what other speakers and Maybe what you might think on the panel because it is going to be an open panel discussion so everybody hang out in the zoom call and uh, you know, we'll definitely chat about that and Like I said once again, keep a lookout for the debates We have coming up a modern day debate because we have all kinds of uh, juicy discussions Uh and and events coming up. So, uh, we will keep you notified of that in the meantime Keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable or the unreasonable from the reasonable. However, james puts it It doesn't matter. It's all the same to me Take care everybody. Good night


Talking about the keys to knocking off the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship game, John, does Sunday start for Tennessee with trying to slow Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes? And if so, how do you do it? Yeah, he certainly makes it all go back there. You know, he's really athletic. He's mobile. He can move. He gets himself out of sticky situations with extending plays when you pressure him. He's got a lot of firepower on that offense, and he's got a cannon for an arm. So it certainly starts with him. Mahomes is a different player than Baltimore's Lamar Jackson. But I wonder, is the challenge still the same? And that is keep the quarterback under control and limit big plays? Yeah, you do. You've got to try to minimize the explosive plays that they make. They've got a ton of speed. Kelsey's an outstanding tight end. Tyree killed is, I mean, it's instant speed with that guy. So explosive. The back, Damon Williams is a good player. Sammy Watkins is playing really well right now. And then when you've got a trigger man like Mahomes back there, they can get out of pressure situations and let those guys uncover. It makes it tough on you. But we've got to do a really good job of minimizing those explosives. In our last segment, we took a look at your game from November 10th with the Chiefs. It really looks like their defense has improved since then. What is Steve Spagnolo's unit doing better since they were in Nashville nine weeks ago? Well, I think he's got them really playing hard. They're really running to the football. They're really rallying the tackle to stop the opposing offense. You know, it starts up front with those guys.  He's a problem inside Jones at defensive tackle. He's a problem.  He's a problem. They got speed at linebacker. They're long and athletic in the secondary. And you've always got the Badger back there lurking looking to make a play. Mike Vrable has talked consistently about the Titans working to improve and continuing to improve even in the postseason. How does the offense continue to improve this week as you play the Chiefs?  We'll install a wrinkle here or a new detail here. And you've got to work on that. You've got to work on the timing at practice. You've got to study your opponent. You've got to, A, what are they doing schematically? But B, how is this individual player trying to defend me or attack me? So it's going to be important for the offensive line to study their defensive line and know what moves to anticipate. And we've got to have a great week of practice and build momentum towards the end of the week. All right, John. Finally, what are your keys to the Titans getting a win and winning the AFC Championship against the Chiefs in Kansas City on Sunday? Well, I think it all starts up front. You know, we've got to win the line of scrimmage. We've talked about that week after week after week. Offensively for us, that allows us to set up the run game, which then you build the passing attack off that. Defensively, it's about stopping the run with those guys. Don't let Damian Williams get through there. Get some push on Mahomes. Make him feel some pressure. And it's Russian cover when it gets down to the passing situation.