They're like, I want to buy an E and he's like no you don't Well, and you can kind of tell like below the surface he wants to help and then you can see like that wave of like This is not life and death I kind of missed the part where they used to be able to buy their prizes like Everything that you didn't want I'll take the porcelain, you know Datsun It was like it was like on a like a like a carousel like yeah, yeah, it would it would turn I have green beans a literal alter to consumerism It was just another version of the prices right in which they want they had these sponsored things that you had to like What do you want to buy? $500 golf clubs turtle wax I year supply wax for some reason which a year supply of turtle wax. I think it's just one ball and one turtle. Yeah One turtles wax. Yeah, it's really just a turtle you carve it out lane. Would you like to read line three today? Oh, sure? Well too bad not That was a trick that was a trick question now, I would like you to read line three so cool Is everybody feeling good? Feel good I'm doing good good Roger Roger Yeah, I got to make sure I have the tunes ready. Len. Do you have your drawing fingers? Lumbered up. I've broken my fingers in anticipation. Wow All right, well Roger you just tell us when you're ready and We'll just we'll just roll out All right, I guess Hmm I'll leave it on Sarah. So Sarah. I'll give you a three and two What is that what you're doing right now or yeah? I'm like we've done this like a hundred times. Okay, three two Susanna Rankenberg has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Susanna become a DTNS member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, March 8th 2019 in Austin, Texas. I'm not married and from Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane Spring forward from Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta and right out of Forehead of Tom like Athena. I'm Brian brushwood And I'm the show's producer Roger. Yes, you are we have got a pack show In fact, Justin Robert Young's probably gonna drop by a little later Because we've got a political statement on breaking up big tech from Senator Elizabeth Warren to get to But let's start with a few tech things you should know Airbnb announced it has signed a deal to acquire hotel tonight Which curates bookings for boutique and independent hotels the companies will operate as separate brands But over time Airbnb plans to integrate hotel tonight listings into the Airbnb platform Google advises windows users to make sure they have the latest updates for both windows 10 and the chrome browser In order to protect themselves against the serious unpatched vulnerability that is being exploited in the wild That's worth repeating a lot of times we say well, it's a vulnerability you should patch it But nobody's exploiting it. This one is being exploited google patched chrome against itself like last friday But you'll need to restart the browser to apply that patch if you haven't restarted your browser since friday Windows may still be vulnerable to this bug though the vulnerability has only been observed being used against windows 7 32-bit system So make sure you've got windows 10 and you're patched and your chrome is patched and you should be fine Is is that an intentional withholding of the details? So as not to give anybody ideas like whether it's a financial exploit or an increment No, there's more details. I just didn't write them because this is a quick part of the show Good thing has slowed it down so we can know that. Thank you Microsoft began rolling out updates to the skype web client So users running chrome or edge browsers on windows 10 or mac os 10.12 sierra or later We'll be able to get a hd calling and call recording and view a revamped notification panel and access an advanced media gallery By the way, the vulnerability allows you allows the attacker to break out of sandboxes So if it's sandbox as a process got it that you would normally like well, that's safe It's in the sandbox they could break it out and then get into your system All right, let's talk a little bit more about analyst Ming chi quo You know him as the guy who is mostly right about apple stuff and in his latest analyst note He says apple will begin mass producing a new augmented reality glasses product as early as the end of this year The product would be marketed as an iphone accessory So it would really just be a display and offload the computing and the networking wirelessly to your iphone Previous reporting from bloomberg had said that apples a our device would run a custom operating system based on ios called ros for reality operating system. So that may be the thing that runs the display Hmm Well, it's not really augmented reality, but so often my my iphone is in A purse or my back pocket or whatever and i don't know let's say i'm listening to a song and i really like it And maybe it's it maybe it's some apple music playlist I gotta get my phone out and look at it and be like oh, okay That's who it is. It's t-pain or something like I could see where having something that was just in my peripheral vision that I could like I could tap the way you would with an apple watch Uh, but it would be on your face would be something that I would want Yeah, I I would love I think it's inevitable that we're going to get this more low level peripheral awareness of what's happening On other side of the world without lifting a finger right now We have it like um, you know your your watch buzzes and you could take a glance and be like Oh, we made a sale on the online store or whatever But it's like I could see that fidelity increasing where it's like oh no no no all of your individual individual apps Now have a touch tone where it's like one is a high wine and a low rumble So so you know which app is is grabbing your attention and could choose to ignore it Likewise with the ar stuff just this always on I think that the smart move is to increasingly preserve the one-on-one experience with and be as To convey as much knowledge as possible without causing as we have right now with the apple watch You get a buzz you put up your fist in between you and the person you're talking to you look at it And then you resume. I think they're trying to get away from that and I think it's a smart move Yeah, it's another wearable platform for them, right? Like this is this will be a very good-looking pair of augmented reality glasses I would guess because it's coming from apple and that'll be their selling point Like don't wear the ones that look goofy wear ours because we didn't have to try to pack a whole computer in them We know you have an iphone and it will unobtrusively do what you and sarah are saying like let you know the things that you need to know as you go through your day Door dash changed its payment policy back in 2017 in a way that appears to keep back tips from drivers Door dash used to pay drivers a flat fee no matter what the distance or complexity was in that ride Under the new policy door dash guarantees an amount for the driver based on the distance and complexity However, a customer tip may not raise that amount since door dash can decide to include all Or part of the tip in the guaranteed amount it pays the driver So the company says it never reduces the amount a driver would get because of a tip That's comforting Only raises it however some drivers filed a class action lawsuit claiming that the company is redirecting tips into the company's share So if I could try to understand this I think what they're saying is we used to pay every driver five dollars Whether they were going 20 miles or two miles and then whatever the tip was the tip was two bucks. They kept two bucks Now what we're saying is oh if you're going 20 miles we'll pay you 10 dollars guaranteed It won't be less than that And if someone tips a dollar door dash may go well before you would have only made five dollars So we're going to count that dollar as part of the 10 and that's what the drivers are objecting to they're like no No, no, no, no, we like that you're guaranteeing us more money for longer trips We don't like you counting the tip as part of that extra money. Yeah the uh You know shared tip jars are not an unusual scheme, right and tipping is is really for me problematic because As a hardcore Enarco capitalist like I love more freedom and and the entrepreneurial spirit of everybody trying to get a big tip But on the flip side, I have to acknowledge that by the numbers tipping is inherently racist sexist You know all the all the bad things um Having a scheme. I think is a fine thing. What are the odds that the scheme is actually Benefiting everybody more but just it doesn't feel like it because well, I got a three dollar tip and only got 80 cents Yeah, I think it is benefiting everybody more. I believe door dash that hey We're paying drivers more now than we we did before or at least it's fairer because you get more if you go farther Uh, but I think door dash is trying to hedge the cost of treating people better by saying and you know the tips So you'll still get more and the tips will just kind of help subsidize that cost Could maybe they couldn't offer a better system if they didn't include the tips But it's just not something people like they're like look if I got a tip I should get the tip right. Well, it's such a tipping is so personal, right? If as a customer if I'm tipping If I tip an uber driver, for example, it's like, you know, they were really nice, but a good conversation You know, you know give them a five dollar tip that sort of thing or at a restaurant or you know anywhere that you tip So as a customer, it's like it's a little disconcerting to say oh well the company could Choose to give uh that wonderful, uh person who brought me my food zero percent of the tip that I gave It is one of those weird things where you can know for a fact and even believe for a fact that this policy Serves the greater good and still not like it. Yeah. Yeah, but I wanted to give it to that guy Yeah, and and I think the other thing to keep in mind is door dash probably to have incurs a cost of passing along a tip Uh, so there there could be an argument for them taking a small percentage of a tip I don't think anybody would like that right or so All right, uh bloomberg reports that amazon has stopped regular orders of products from thousands of wholesalers Sometimes with no notice or explanation Instead amazon is encouraging wholesalers to list those items directly on the amazon marketplace themselves That has the advantage for amazon of shifting the cost of storing and shipping products to those vendors While letting amazon continue to take a commission on the sales in an emailed statement to bloomberg amazon said We regularly review our selling partner relationships and may make changes when we see an opportunity to provide customers with improved selection value and convenience So I don't think the controversy here is that amazon decided to stop ordering shirts from somebody that wouldn't be controversy at all It's that this company was this imaginary company that i'm making up was Expecting an order of 500 shirts a week and therefore they'd set up their supply chain to make sure they had 500 shirts a week And then one day amazon just didn't order those 500 shirts without giving them any warning and now they're like well crap I guess we can try to sell them directly, but we might not sell all 500 and we weren't set up for that So it incurs a cost on us etc etc and amazon can basically say well too bad You know you you can not sell them on amazon if you want to good luck with that Well that to me the big moment is amazon is encouraging wholesalers to list the items on amazon's marketplace for example Um, I wrote the professionals guide to fire eating and for whatever reason they don't want to keep 100 of them in stock I guess spaces at a premium. So what they do is every time one sells they're like send us One copy of the book and then they pass it along this sounds to me like they're just moving to you know what just let your books stay in our store and Eventually an order will come in don't even bother to send it to us. Just fulfill it yourself That way we don't have to hold anything also And that way we also don't have to pay you for all of those 500 shirts and store them correct Correct. Well, and you know as amazon continues to roll out amazon branded at merchandise Back to that fictitious t-shirt company. Well if amazon has its own t-shirt line It doesn't need to buy any of these t-shirts from the fictitious company And it doesn't really care if that company sells its t-shirts are not going forward And amazon is also doing the opposite of this with some of their partners saying. Oh, no, you can't sell directly We'll block you from that We we because it's in this case better for us to be the person who sells it And so we're going to force you on it. Uh amazon is dictating terms all over the place as long as it benefits amazon The city of philadelphia has passed a law requiring almost all businesses to accept cash payments Cash is back everybody exception to the cash rule includes parking lots online and phone transactions retailers with a membership model and companies that require a credit card deposit like a hotel or a rental car company Businesses who violate the law after it comes into force, which is on july 1st could face a fine of up to $2,000 amazon believes that amazon ghost doors would be affected because you don't need to be a prime member to shop there And a similar new jersey state bill is waiting on the governor's signature Massachusetts has required cash acceptance for a while Yeah, so this is this is essentially uh, the the politicians saying I I didn't like that I went across the street to the coffee shop and I could use a credit card But those 30 of my constituents who live below the poverty line couldn't get a cup of coffee because they didn't take cash there Yeah, and then I understand the impulse to do that But then you run up into weird perverse complications Like I would love to live in a society where somebody says I make the best ramen in the world All you have to do is show up.  Uh, you have to sing a song In freestyle rap of my choosing I make money on advertising on the back end and you get soup Like I would love to see more weird in the world not less And this this feels like a restriction that would bum me out. Yeah, I wonder if if you don't take any payment Could you say well, I mean we're exempt also also imagine how that looks like a tax time. Yeah, right Where you place value on somebody's one time viral hit I I wonder if this uh, will take off. There's some some Similar legislation being considered in other parts of the united states like new york, washington dc, san francisco Uh, it is a temporary everything though. I do believe personally that over the long term And I don't know how long 10 20 years whatever we will develop a system that allows for cashless transactions That is useful by people of any socioeconomic class. So there'll just be a new way of doing it but right now We haven't got that system. And so the the closest you can get is debit cards or or temporary cash cards But those have fees and so it's it's a regressive tax in a sense because if you don't have a lot of cash And you have to use these cards, then you end up having even less cash Then keep in mind also like the folks who need to rely the most on cash would be the disenfranchised For example, let's say an abused housewife. Finally, you know Gathers up $8,000 and just gets on the road because he's tired of being punched Uh, I I understand the the impetus to go for that. Yeah, I do too And I and like I say, I think we'll have a system in in the future that will still allow that to do that without cash I think we'll have to uh Cash is is difficult. It is it is complicated. But we have to solve that We have we have to figure out how to do that whether it's blockchain, etc Yeah, but it's like it's like the thing you're really buying by paying with cash is anonymity and a Invisible transaction. Yeah bitcoin. Do you think we're going? I'm not saying bitcoin will be the thing. I'm not crazy like that But is an example of a technology that can do that Well, I mean up with a better isn't the whole point of blockchain that everybody could see every piece of it You can be anonymous on the blockchain. Everybody sees the transaction, but they don't necessarily know who made the transaction Okay, I mean the side benefit is you don't need power to use cash, right? You don't if you're if you're in an area that is bereft of power at the immediate Moment or you're in some sort of natural disaster earthquake. I mean it's It's easier just to have cash on on hand. I understand what tom's saying And I think they will have a system that might be in lieu of cash but I think it's To suggest that there won't be a physical kind of system that people could just trade without I'm talking not about the disappearance of cash. That's for another show I'm saying these laws that require cash may become untenable at some point because the There are places in scandinavia that that this law just I do I I do agree oftentimes This does smell like a law that will only legislate what people have already figured out on their own because the moment you make this Then they'll decide some other, you know alternate currency is more popular All right, if we have any quantum physicists in the audience, please listen to this and write in to help explain How good this is but this is an attempt For us to to bring some stories to you that aren't just google announcing facebook announcing The bbc has a report on a project called gravity pioneer that's been going on for a few years But they've made some some big progress in developing quantum gravity sensors or gravimeters That will be twice as sensitive and 10 times as fast as the current gravimeters Right now if you want to measure gravity, you have to put the sensor out. It's kind of bulky It's kind of expensive and then you have to go up there and move it So let's say you're trying to sense if there's magma under a volcano That could be dangerous because you have to go up there and move it around to get your reading These quantum gravity sensors work by cooling rubidium atoms with lasers to just above absolute zero The atoms are then propelled upward in a vacuum and measured as gravity pulls them back down The gravimeters can be made on silicon wafers that are 10 times cheaper than the current non quantum gravimeter models Tiny fluctuations in gravity like an empty mine shaft that's five meters down could be detected They would be able to detect things like Magma chambers filling up below ground without having to go up and move it around You could just leave it up there on the volcano and be able to tell hey the magma chambers filling up We better get people out of there because the volcano might be about to explode It can also be used in military applications for things like detecting submarines the biggest advance here This has been this research has been going on for years. The big advance is being able to make them work at these small much more affordable levels That's huge and if as this goes to scale really what we're doing is we're telling the continued story of knowing Exactly what is happening on every inch of our planet Which does two things number one makes me very proud for humanity and civilization number two Makes what me want to get the hell off to mars when nobody needs to know nothing about what i'm up to Well, uh, unless you're living more than a meter below ground sure But keep in mind like You know in terms of mining and resources like right now We just have to keep digging until we hope we find something if imagine if you already knew Where everything is you might you would be able to affect markets just by knowing where all the deposits are Whether or not you ever need to get around to go get them Think about this somebody put it this way in one of the articles I read we know more about the surface of mars than we know about one meter below the surface of earth Yeah, that's great. That's kind of crazy All right, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com Let's talk about a medium post from us presidential hopeful and senator elizabeth warren. Uh, she posted a a solution To big tech, uh, she said here's how we can break up big tech She went through her explanation of why she thinks these companies facebook google and amazon particularly are too big They're too dominant in their markets and we need new legislation that will break them up and that will allow for more competition More innovation. Uh, that's her argument her solution is to give 25 billion dollar or more companies companies that bring in more than 25 billion dollars the following, uh, classification platform utility In other words, uh, they offer to the public an online marketplace an exchange or a platform for connecting third parties You're a platform utility youtube platform utility google search platform utility, right because you're allowing people to buy ads on search You're allowing people to post videos on youtube If you qualify for that, which would be amazon, which would be facebook, which would be lots of google stuff You would be prohibited from owning both the platform utility And any participants on that platform. So google search couldn't own the google ads Uh, youtube couldn't actually make content for youtube Amazon wouldn't be able to own the platform for selling things and also sell things itself Etc etc etc etc In addition to that you would have to provide fair reasonable and non discriminatory dealing with users And you would not be allowed to transfer or share data with third parties Which could be difficult when you talk about ad targeting. We'll get into that If you are between 90 million and 25 billion, you would only have to meet the fair non-discriminate Experimentatory user treatment standard The examples that she gives as companies that would need to be broken apart Are google ad exchange google search amazon marketplace amazon basics wholefood zappos whatsapp instagram ways nest and double click Those are all named in her post She also says we must give people more control over how their personal information is collected shared and sold We should help content creators keep more of their value. I'm very much in favor of that one And we should prevent election meddling So that's the short version of what she's proposing a lot of her justifications in here I find a little weaker than others Uh, but we wanted to bring in the host of politics politics politics and our regular thursday contributor Justin robert young to tell us a little bit on the side of why this might be happening in this election season We're starting in the u.s. Uh, thank you tom. It's great to be here. So Uh, there is a moment happening right now in politics specifically with big tech and it is kind of bipartisan Uh, you you've seen as uh, zuckerberg got grilled in congress a few months ago That it was very very much both parties that had questions about how they, uh Handled their censorship how they make their money and whether or not they are too big Elizabeth Warren right now finds herself running anywhere between third and fourth depending on the poll in terms of the early 2020 primary polls and she is in uh, in her lane behind bernie sanders not only in terms of popularity and fundraising, but also Ideologically she is less defined than bernie sanders platforms that have proven to be Uh, very catchy to that part of the electorate. So what she is now trying to do with this is show that she is the substantive Progressive candidate. She has ideas and these are the ideas that she is laying out She's made it very clear that she doesn't think that it's rhetoric only She needs to let everybody know what she would do now We have long prophesized on the daily tech news show that Washington was going to come for silicon valley at some point This is its introduction into the presidential campaign cycle How it will play Is more of an open question. Yeah, because I've tempted to to go in and dig in and say Look, microsoft's not your best example when it's still one of the biggest companies and you talk about microsoft's Anti-trust settlement as being a good example, but they didn't actually break up microsoft and a lot of the effects You're saying came from that are arguably not from that There's also the fact that you don't note at and t and comcast which fit the profile of what she's talking about as well There are other things I could I could pick on in this medium post But as you're talking about justin, I don't think this is meant to be taken word for word as a policy It's meant to be taken as I really know this topic. Look at all the links that I think She means for you to take it as a policy proposal. Well, let me let me rephrase that I don't think this is meant to be legislation yet. This is here's what I want to do folks Just by by definition. She is the senator. She could she could put a bill together She could put a bill together and push it in the senate She's not doing that She is putting this out as a platform that she would try to work toward Should she had the bully pulpit of the presidency? The question is do people care about this? Just to give you a sense This is being covered in in a lot of places where I like to take the temperature of of the the political news media This is not made the front page of political.com has not made the front page of the hill.com It has a play on axios.com which pretty much makes its bread and butter on tech news and politics news Yeah, right you would expect that it would get coverage there So I don't quite know if it's getting buried on the friday that she makes her big push about it behind The resignation of bill's shine and a election reform bill that was passed in the house I don't know exactly how much this is going to catch on if in in in the silicon valley world I wonder if if if companies like amazon and google and facebook are are forced to to rule back the number of Acquisitions that they make of smaller companies how that changes venture capital for for smaller companies do Because many times smaller companies whether or not they end up getting gobbled up by these companies Hope that they will the technology is good and they need the money to to to to make an idea into a reality Now that is something that you believe sarah. It is not what elizabeth warren believes who Makes it clear that the reason why we are seeing less Venture capital is not because of any kind of cyclical Market but rather because these companies are so big that they're discouraging companies from even starting now I say that facetiously because I agree with you. I do think that uh venture capital, uh, almost universally flows into companies that they believe can get Uh swallowed up well also also In one of the articles that she links to in support of her contention that these big companies are reducing startups I quote from the article Economists from mit and the university of chicago cite a lag between the launch of a new technology such as artificial intelligence And its visibility and productivity numbers in other words that article is arguing It's not because big tech companies are shouldering everybody out It's that we're in a new cycle where the new technology that will cause a big wave of startups Hasn't quite caught yet, but they believe it will yeah Is this a case where she just ran with the wrong narrative because a buried in that statement was oh and by the way election meddling I mean wouldn't it have been a if if she is obviously not serious about making this legislation Otherwise she would have introduced it in congress. She's definitely grandstanding on an issue Trying to create a boogie man pointing to a dead body and said i'm the one that can fix it Why not go completely direct and say silicon valley big big wigs are why we ended up with trump? Here's how i plan to fix it that we're gonna make them They moved too fast. They were unprepared. They're they're they're they were able to be bought by outside interests For national security only i plan to break them all apart so that that can never happen again For this reason that does not benefit her narrative as a candidate Her narrative as a candidate elizabeth warren is the capitalist to her bones Who knows that she needs to save capitalism from itself? And that part of that this reinforces that now these big Famous companies that are making untold billions and trillions of dollars and are worth more than countries If anything is going to get a broke up then it's them. They are standard oil They are at&t. They are these these gigantic things that i'm the one who has to say Uh, uh, you need to be broken up if she goes after Trump and russia number one you just enter into a gigantic other kerfuffle of mixed messages and moved goalposts in terms of what that what you eventually want out of that and it doesn't get to the These companies are too big Point which is we they're hurting competition and what makes our economy work is competition So by breaking up these companies, we'll have more competition. We will have more competition That's what she hammered away and and she makes it clear to say look Everything will be fine if I were to undo all these mergers And I were to break up all these companies and now we're doing both all these rules You'd still be able to do everything you love On these services now whether or not that would be true Involves you following the rabbit hole down Possibilities in Mexico is gonna pay for that wall. Yeah, I mean look Uh, I we're going more into the granular detail on these things because tom's right If you go through every campaign promise and look for every little flaw in it You're going to find many of them. Congratulations. If you're gonna sniff that out You're gonna find a lot of troubles that being said this is this is significant in that This is the first time I can remember That a major presidential campaign has thought that tech is kitchen table retail politics enough To make a big deal about it that your mom your grandma knows what Amazon facebook and google are and they might have negative feelings about them And they would be moved to the ballot box if you said we need to break them up All right before we uh, we end this uh one thing I want to note And it's not necessarily just a pick on this medium post But because I know people are going to start passing this number around She says that 70 percent of traffic goes through google or facebook links to an article that's from newsweek Which links to a tweet from a guy who wrote an article which links to some data and the data is actually that google and facebook in 2015 referred 70 of the traffic to major publishers in the united states referral So it's posted links. It's a referral number not 70 of the traffic on the internet Yeah, all right, which is I mean they do they refer a lot of No, I just know people might even if they disagree with the post might start passing that number around and you should know What that number really means Uh, thank you. Justin robber young for popping in we appreciate it a pleasure I'm always happy to be on the program take politics seriously dot com folks for more Thanks also to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com if you want to hang out on facebook We've got a group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. We might break it into two. I don't know Let's check out the mailbag Let's do it. We got a long but very informative email from mark Mark's is a scientist. He's studying pluto and the outer solar system sounds like a great job And has a really great breakdown on our university of california And el severe story from last week mark says there's two common pathways for publication El severe, and I hope I'm saying that right Is an example of the first pathway their practice is that an author doesn't have to pay a fee to get their work published Once the work is published el severe owns that published content and charges for access Now severe is the business of in the business of making money from research like mark's and the balance the profit against access So over the past few decades The cost of access has grown so much that many institutions are cutting back on subscriptions as subscriptions decline The costs increase even more also severe costs Charges a lot more money for the back catalog than for more recent work kind of interesting I used to publish in the el severe publication Echorus but after a while I realized that my older work was no longer widely accessible by the community and ceased Sending my work there Now he goes on to add that the other pathway is what he calls society based journals An example is the american astronomical Society who published a set of journals in astronomy in this case the publishers not Operated for profit publishing costs are covered by page charges Where the author pays a fee to the journal upon publication distribution is covered by subscriptions But anything older than three years is freely accessible The recent arguments according to mark are that since scientific research is paid from public funds The results should always be freely available Note that the compromise with el severe that you see should pay up front Make them act much more like the society based journals than the profit based journals One final point is that peer review system is fueled by volunteer efforts when I review a paper I do not get paid by any journal to do this work says mark This donation of time makes a lot of sense when talking about an open access Non-profit model, but it feels more like exploitation in the for-profit case Thank you mark. Uh, yeah Explanation of that that was uh, that was very balanced and informative. Appreciate it Very much so all right. Let's check in with len peralta who has been illustrating today's show len What have you drawn for us this week?  Uh, it's uh, uh w w warren raw Taken down google amazon and facebook with a chair. It looks pretty pretty awesome, man, and I'd go to this this wrestling event a smackdown Yeah, it's awesome And uh, so if you want this you can go right now become one of my five five dollar patrons and it's yours It's right there right now actually and or you can go to my online store at lemperalta store.com and you can Buy it that way the old the old-fashioned way Fantastic. Thank you so much len No, thanks also to brand brushwood. I know you've got a big weekend ahead of you. Let folks know how they can Participate south by so wasted You're running out of time. 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Thank you. Justin Justin's whooping in with that gravitas man. Just lay down how it is and why Can tell you do it every day every day Yeah, no, there ain't no joke man. This is uh, uh and for those of you we kind of did the opposite like uh Brian and tom were on The politics politics politics extra podcast that you get if you're a three dollar patron where we did a lot of the tech talk a lot of the the Basics on for the politics crowd we did the tech talk and then I came on and did the politics talk for the tech crowd So if you want the other side of the conversation go ahead and check that out Brought the p to the t and then the t to the p. Mm-hmm. It's a bullet. Just be uh, uh in the best possible Uh title show about chat realm dot net. I like uh, is it best to break up big tech question mark? That's a good one um Breaking tech better call warren Better call cell breaking bad. I get it. It's good Oh That's good. Show me the money a lot of a lot of cashless stuff in breaking up is hard to do breaking tech into bits Get it like bits Any of these uh striking your fancy I think probably um Brian oh Hmm much like uh much like a certain movie. I saw last night. I have no public opinion Yeah, sarah the warren on tech that's pretty good a warren on tech I don't okay. Oh, I get it like the war on the war on tech right Done the on twice Oh, I don't know. We do a warren tech or does that now? Yeah, no that reads. Is that weird?  Yeah. Yeah, that's Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's The hive mind you have to put some kind of like spacer and like I mean Yeah Warren tech the warren tech the war dash and tech. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I would do Yeah, on big tech right or just tech. Oh the war on big tech. Yeah, I think that actually helps the rhythm of it The warren big tech. Yep. We've done nailed it. We have workshop Title by committee makes everything great. Yeah, the more credits you see on a movie the better it is Always true. Everyone knows that never graph. Hey, I sent my daughter to go see a movie today Oh, yeah, I wanted her to tell me if it was good or not. Okay. All right. We'll find out It's not a way mission. Does it play to the teens? We will find out soon. I assume Teenage Very very excited to find out Also very excited for the show tomorrow. Have you thought about what your story is going to be? Oh, uh I am doing the thumb. Yeah stories. Are you also going to call on me? Because I've seems like all of us should play the game the bulls there to be written It depends. I don't know. I mean, I would see what I'm gonna do He's gonna be the he's gonna be the thumb sheriff speaking of which I think that we're gonna move the whiskey tri-boys to night attack for to Since since they know us and we know what we're planning to do.  Oh But the fireballs are so good Like that's not even like I like it like You gotta understand that's the that that is uh, uh, the the worm turned on fireball. The kids love it Uh, sure.  I would I would I would agree fireball is uh to me to my tongue gross But uh, uh, but then again, I'm I'm of an age that I enjoyed jagermeister. So what do I know jager's good, too Okay, so that's a shot. I don't want clear. I actually like fireball I just like digging on fireball slightly more than I like fireball That's fair. That's fair. What about fernet? How do we feel about fernet? Do you know what fernet is? Uh, yeah, because I did because I did that they kept mentioning how dangerous it was No, because I I had no idea what fernet was until I moved to the bay area. No, I actually don't Yeah, the bay area but staple for some reason fernet is I'd be beloved in the bay area and not other places It is it is apparently the only two places for which fernet for net is tremendously popular is italy and the bay Uh, well Italians brought it in right? Is that it?  Wow. All right. Yeah. Yeah Well, I used to say the same thing about uzo. Who drinks it? Oh, yeah, oh, I love uzo. Oh Well, yeah Pretty much like all shots except yagermeister. So I'm I'm okay with the eggs It's that licorice That anis. Yeah, yeah By the way, I don't know if y'all caught this uh And lenn explained it but just in case it's it's sped by you when he does the art on fridays now If you're one of his patrons, you get it As soon as I was like before the show is like it's you get it Art it's up there right now. Yeah So that's the best way to get the dts s art is super quick. Yeah, is it patreon.com slash lenn right? That's right. Yeah I think that's pretty cool.  Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty neat. I like it Go check it out So you're seeing any good movie lately? I I have no public opinion I'll watch it when it's available. How would you put it said last night? Yeah, I don't know 2 a.m. Threads. I mean I look I don't I don't I'm not responsible for any of that. That's not that's not bright I was hacked. That's that's right. You know sometimes I got kids sometimes they pick it up and they have very specific opinions That's Ryan rush with yeah, I'll tell you what though. I slated at that karaoke bar last night The legend of beachwood was a real thing. It was yeah, we uh, we got done with uh Watching a movie that we can't either confirm nor deny that we saw and uh, and then we went to The only bar open These bars that it turned out to be karaoke night and brian got things Got picked fired up. It was a little sleepy. It was your song brian. What's your go-to song? Mr. Roboto Look, I I time travel straight from 1982 to the present to explain to you the Clear and present danger of Japanese technology taking over her lives. You are the modern man What's what's great is when that happens it's like like I'm performing definitely just for Justin, but everybody Be you know, maybe 15 people in the whole place first You just see one head kind of look up and turn around then another then another. Uh, it was pretty great Yeah, no, it was it was a an absolute blast Good times had by all And now it's going to rain for days and days Oh, it is. Yeah That's what they're saying not on sunday. Oh except for the moment when the sun will just come out brightly It's called sunday tom not rain day Yeah That's right I went to speak to the calendar commission Yeah, apparently it's so it's gonna start raining tonight at like 11 And then should be done by 10 it's gonna be 10 in the morning 10 in the morning on saturday the men of ice cream social For the first time in history. Oh good. I can do my crying Hey, uh So, uh, uh, you know, I'm gonna need your help on that VIP tour to I I'm gonna need a hype man to to put a perspective All the stories. Yeah, I know you've done some homework. I'll have I'll have to brush up on uh on on some of the uh, some Brush up. Yeah, you need to figure out the order of who owned it Uh, that's an ongoing quest. Yeah, you know, it's weird You need to say according to our best records and Staff historians have said yeah Yeah, like we are still efforting but the best of our knowledge. It was blank than blank than blank research indicates at this point it's actually kind of cool the way that uh Bryce has a shot set up with um Brian in the middle because it looks like you're talking to a very diminutive Um, justin robert.  I'm a baby Uh, man, that's all stuff. We'll have to figure out at the new space as well like not only What what the background looks like but how to position stuff that we're able to see the the output monitor and the crowd the chat A lot of questions. Yeah, I mean that is what the list of things to do is yeah all that we've got and Speaking of all the things we got. Thank you Video watchers for sticking with us this week.


But continuing election coverage in progress, it's just who does this and looks good unless you buy and I don't think that it's wrong to buy this but unless you buy that Megan Kelly is you know she's basically Ice Cube in 93 like she's just a minutes by Felicia Felicia no she's she's on apparently the wrong network to FWIC to Fox with you mean yes the wrong network to Fox with ah this is great I'm excited we're gonna talk Iowa corn futures pork bellies all kind of good stuff Jenny I'm gonna should I bring you should I just introduce you off the top sure why not I'll be here I probably won't talk a ton during the regular that's fine no worries no it's better than it's better that you're here yeah I have some tech fart yep case the Santorum campaign storms your hotel room I'll try to get all up in here all up in your all right you will not play play the question I'm still I just saw straight out of Compton this weekend so I'm trying to come up with a metaphor still oh my god I just know sorry okay shall we mm-hmm here we go if you donate ten dollars per month you can say 1.4 seconds of every single episode is brought to you by you head to daily tech news show dot com slash support to adopt the second I called dibs on the first two seconds have that beautiful theme music this is the Daily Tech News for Thursday January 28th 2016 I'm Tom Marin joining us from Iowa Mr. Justin Robert young co-creator of the contender game and regular contributor right here on the DTNS how are the fields of Iowa Justin live and direct from Des Moines they are clesening with freshly melted snow Tom this is maybe the craziest Iowa caucus season in modern history and I bring it to you dear Daily Tech News show listeners from the front lines also joining us because we're gonna be talking about some of the technology that will be rolled out in this caucus and I know T2 T2 and all of Estonia will be laughing at us but I'll be telling you what we're gonna be doing Jenny Josephson producer of Daily Tech News show and former producer at CBS News and many other things joining us as well to discuss that how you do it Jenny I'm doing great nothing gets me excited like someone in the field covering an election literally in a field literally in a field yeah well it's been a lot of strip malls where most of the campaigns have their headquarters they paved paradise and they put up a strip mall yeah no Des Moines actually pretty fun I have to admit at this time of year so it'll be it'll be a cool thing we're not gonna try to localize politics and talk about politics if you're worried about that we're gonna talk about an app that Microsoft is using on the Azure platform so it's a fully technical topic it just happens to be that Justin is there in Iowa ahead of the election so it ties in well and and we should let you know we know Justin's audio is a little different because he's dealing with some technical difficulties on the road but you know hopefully you can hear and understand him just fine yeah thank you for your patience because I'm in a hotel where there's a lot of people using a lot of bandwidth so we're doing our best it's like the bandwidth just attempted at the beginning of that sentence to show people this is what he's dealing with and then it cleared up enough for you to understand so let us get right to the headlines Facebook has opened its live streaming function to all iPhone users in the United States a live button will now show up in your status update section right there along the ones with photos and stickers when you go live it will notify your friends and allow replays permanently so different than Periscope which limits the amount of time you can replay a live stream so mere cat debut and it is eaten by Periscope does Facebook live eat Periscope I don't think so I don't think the fact the fact that I can just go watch anybody's Periscope at any time is probably the appeal of Periscope and beer cat for that matter this is more I'm gonna stream to my friends now where it could eat into Periscope a little bit is you know when Representative Paul Ryan streamed the Blizzard from his office on Periscope he could have very well done that on Facebook and opened it up for everyone to see on his page but celebrities have been doing that in beta test for a few months now and I haven't heard of one really like capturing all the interest so I think it's just going to be a cool feature on Facebook that people will take advantage of not necessarily a Periscope killer some question does this mandate any deep-pocketed social network to do a live function since now Twitter and Facebook have theirs I think I think people will be eyeballing this very closely to see how well it does but yeah I think Periscope nudged Facebook into wanting to do this and I think now it's going to become a thing that lots of folks are going to be wanting to do twitch is adding more chrome extensions to help out their streamers and we should disclose you know Justin's wife works for twitch so yeah I mean I think I think live streaming is is becoming something that is a feature that most services are going to want to tap into if they can and if it makes sense or sense to me I think I think it's absolutely Oracle announced it will deprecate its Java browser plug-in in the JDK 9 release of the Java SE development kit coming in March 2017 Java plug-in along with the Netscape plug-in API flash and Silverlight have all become a wretched hive of scum and villainy in your browser and Oracle's finally admitted it Oracle encourages developers to use the plug-in free version of Java called Java Webstart thanks to ebridge's 13 and strike it rich one both for posting this on the subreddit end of an era Justin well there went Justin as an end of Justin is the end of Justin Justin probably was using a Java plug-in is yes yeah Apple has announced a voluntary recall of AC wall plug adapters with some Mac and iOS devices between 2003 and 2015 for Argentina Australia Brazil continental Europe New Zealand and South Korea now even if you're not in one of those countries the recall includes adapters sold in the world travel adapter kit which I definitely bought in that time period Apple says very rare incidents can cause the adapters to break and cause electrical shock not every adapter made in that period is being recalled it's kind of tricky to figure out you should go to apple.com slash support slash AC dash wall plug dash adapter and we have that link of the show notes as well to find out if you're concerned and if you think you have one of these adapters is this something that's been a consistent problem for Apple I feel like I've seen many times their wall plugs and their adapters having issues there was one other very famous widespread recall of the iPhone charger I recall and recently Microsoft had a recall on their power adapters for surface so this is just another example of Apple imitating Microsoft the next web reports Tinder has teamed up with Giffy to integrate GIFs into users can now tap a blue button to choose for millions of GIFs to send to a match other tweaks include larger emojis the ability to like incoming messages by tapping on a green heart seems like that would mean jealousy and the ability to upload profile photos from your phones camera roll the updated features are out now for iOS but no word on when they'll arrive for Android I I I don't even know people who use Tinder so I got nothing to say about this other than like okay features the Daily Tech News Show team has a lot of experience on the other hand with Giffy and if you're in a new relationship and you're trusting Giffy to properly interpret the thing you're saying in your little Giffy slash whatever it might have some seriously unintended consequences for your relationship that's all I'm gonna say I really love Giffy and every ten times it nails it on the head but those other nine can be a doozy and you can't really know a person to be able to roll with roll with Giffy in a conversation although that's in slack you get like a you put it in and it happens I think in this you can use the search engine and choose okay that's a little safer I like that because oh boy there have been some Giffy's that I would definitely swipe whatever direction un unmarried people know to get rid of it well you know I'll tell you what this does seem like I thought peach remember remember peach the Halcyon days of peach it was like a Halcyon minute yeah David Bowie was alive we were so young I think the idea that you a possible gift is huge and and Giff's and Giff keyboards and the ability to choose a Giff and send it to someone has has become a regular way of communicating and almost like the next step beyond emojis so I think it all makes sense as be shared and wanted our US listeners to note that New York retail folks Ronnie small and Albert lineando have acquired the brand domain and associated trademarks for circuit city the two plan to have retail outlets web sales private label products kiosks mobile shops franchise opportunities and more company expects to open its first store in Dallas along with the relaunch of circuit city comm this coming June bringing it back to the brick and mortar but with a web strategy from the ground up with a bunch of people who used to work at Radio Shack a bunch of people who have been in the web game I mean it's an interesting way to do it you basically rebuild a heritage brand for the modern age well and specifically rebuild it like a small business right like I rebuilt it so you have one location and a web strategy and so like you a lot under these kind of situations you just over expand in terms of your retail and if they are smart about this you know it makes about as much sense as anybody opening up a retail store right at least this has name brand value you know what the funny thing is is that they're doing the same thing with Eastern Airlines so it feels like there's a very small group of airlines that are being re airplanes that are being rebranded under the eastern name and so it's a sort of like thing of bringing back these very historically laid in with significance brands into the into the 21st century so I think it's really interesting I'm curious to see how they turn out yeah and they're spinning it right the circuit city stores will be smaller than the big box stores they'll be small box stores it's almost like a Radio Shack type fillet now that Radio Shack has gone away and I have I have to say I'm looking forward to that world where I can grab a burger chef burger before I hop on my pan and flight finally though the full you will feel the full power of this nostalgia train grab taxi has rebranded itself as just grab well okay CEO Anthony Tan said the company now includes private cars so it's not just taxis grab car also has motorbike taxis grab bike delivery grab express and carpooling grab hitch grab also announced a new corporate service and cashless payment system it is now out of beta in Singapore and will expand to Indonesia Philippines and Malaysia in February followed by Thailand and Vietnam in the first half of 2016 so really the story here's less about is grab such a good name for a company and more about this is somebody who is showing uber the way uber is trying to do this as well but grab seems to be a little farther down the road at this point well grabs also a lot more agile right you know grab has an opportunity to put these kind of things in and see whether or not they work you know for uber they're trying every day they wake up trying to scale that's what they do for grab you're in a little bit of a smaller pond you're able to take a few chances and I think this is smart I notice there's no grab bus I don't know if there's a grab bus I didn't this isn't an exhaustive list there might be there might be a grab bus and I hope you pronounce it correctly I know I hope we can all play the game of grab bus there's got to be some kind of Southeast Asian dish that would fit into that let's not even get it I mean like hey it's going to be every email for the next two puket we'll have it Samsung warned profits are expected to remain flat for the next six months but recover in the second half of 2016 economic issues like the exchange rates that Apple cited are also affecting Samsung obviously slowing it demand is also to blame for Q4 Samsung raised profit 15% year over year and revenue rose 1.1% full your operating profit was up 1.4 trillion won as well the semiconductor part of Samsung is is doing the best out of this the phone part of it is they're trying to keep it going well and not have it collapse and it's not Samsung was the number one in phones shipped and phones sold both for Q4 and all of 2015 so Samsung is still doing very well in that but they are also well diversified to be a chip company as well so what does it mean for Samsung as a whole though right I mean like because they are so at least in America tied to their phone identity no matter how much they want to try to make themselves the galaxy of other peripherals that we can use with our Samsung phone it means that you have a skewed vision of Samsung if you're looking at them from the United States I think because they're their semiconductor section is booming I'm not saying that they wouldn't hurt if the phone market just fell apart but they're well positioned to be a chip company rather than an accessory company I mean they they can sell if they if they can sell chips to other manufacturers like Apple for instance which they do yeah they're in pretty good shape well certainly so but you know you got to wonder whether or not in terms of how they are understood publicly or if they're tied to the they believe that retail brand means something and it's worth it to keep alive because the next time there's a big gigantic vertical that they can be an advantageous player in they want the Samsung name hot for retail and for sure though that's a really good point because what you see them I mean obviously they're the number one smartphone maker in the world in 2015 they're not going to stop making phones yeah if they're smart no they're trying to say well when the phones do decline where do we go next and that's why you see the Samsung Gear watch and the Samsung Gear VR they definitely don't want to leave the consumer electronics business Ali Baba saw it's third quarter revenue growth 32% its gross merchandise volume is their bigger number that's the total value of goods transacted on the platform and in its marketplace that number rose 23% to 964 billion yuan revenue rose to 34.53 billion yuan leading expectations of 33.33 billion yuan and Ali Baba also fighting against a slowing Chinese market as everyone who who trades worldwide is so Ali Baba did well considering yeah I mean it certainly is something that is a major player for everybody who deals you know for goods but you know I don't know I mean like is that something where you know we had a point where Ali Baba becomes more of a a big name to American real super bowl swing will we ever see Ali Baba Super Bowl commercial well and they actually answer that question both ways in various interviews and earnings calls around this in one they said no we're focused on our Chinese market because we're doing quite well there that was the one directed to Chinese investors saying we're not abandoning you anytime soon at the same point they're traded in the United States and they are very aggressively saying yes we plan to move into the United States market more and more so I you know I have a feeling that they would love to have more of a presence here at the same time you know Pokemon is the closest thing to a Super Bowl commercial that you're gonna get to Ali Baba I think at least this year Amazon report I only say that because I did a Google search for Ali Baba Super Bowl commercial and I got Pokemon as the only result I got four major ad businesses so they're doing just fine well and Ali Baba is trying to diversify into being a video streaming service and electronics company so so they're trying to do what all of these companies are trying to do which is be in a lot of different businesses Amazon reported a 21.8 percent rise in quarterly revenue to 482 million dollars and a dollar earnings per share up from 45 cents a share last year net sales rose to 35.75 billion but analysts thought they'd do better analysts wanted a dollar 56 per share on sales of 35.98 billion so they did not beat the street and that's Amazon man they always shave things real close to the bone well that's the problem they don't even have the raw volume they're not gonna have the numbers that's just their business model Microsoft posted five billion dollars in net income and 62 cents a share on revenue of 23.8 billion company reported total income of 6.3 billion and 78 cents a share not net that's the gross analysts had expected gross 71 cents a share so they beat that by 7 cents and revenue of 25.2 billion by tomorrow we'll have lots of numbers about how the different divisions of Microsoft did and who how many windows installs I think so far all I've seen is such an Adela said that they've they're pretty close to the you know the number that they want to be on windows installs but we'll hear more about that as it comes but mostly they're saying hey we did really well and the street is rewarding them for that surface revenue did dip last quarter and this time it's up year over year by 29 percent which it's all pretty good news except for the phones phone sales were weak Tom is it possible that we could see a resurgence in such a mania the such a mania that we remember from oh so many months ago you know I it's a it's a pretty good it's a pretty good result for Microsoft at a time when people are questioning Apple's pretty good results so yeah maybe a little such a mania will be on the rise we'll see deserved or not that is a look at the headlines thanks to everybody who submitted stories that are subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and you should get in there and vote let us know what you want us to talk about daily tech news show dot reddit dot com that is a look at the headlines all right so the Iowa caucus if you're not from the United States it's confusing if you're from the United States it's confusing it is a caucus not a primary but it is the first election in primary season right yeah and first in the nation and good well the difference there's a difference between the way the Republicans and Democrats do their caucuses the Republicans voters sign in at a precinct and then they sit and they listen to presentations on behalf of each candidate then they write their name of the candidate they prefer on a piece of paper and then it's handed in by secret ballot but it's not a traditional here's a printed ballot choose who you want it's a sit around and listen and then write down a name Democrats get even weirder as far as I'm concerned they go in and stand in a corner of the candidate they prefer and then groups try to persuade people to leave their corner and come over to their corner hence the phrase come over to my corner and if a group doesn't meet a preset threshold of numbers then that group is freed to go join whatever corner they want and at the end of that hoedown somehow they have a number of delegates allocated per precinct to the various candidates at what point do they yell corner on the market I think that's why they're playing pit waiting for somebody to decide which corner they're going to join in yeah and and believe you me in this election we have candidates that will protect their corners Marlowe Stanfield style this is one of the best hokey corn fed silly elements of our political process I love it dearly I hope it never changes in fact I only hope it gets weirder but it's a complicated thing even if you love it even if you really really are a huge fan of it it's a complicated thing to keep track of understand this on Monday night when the caucus is over you will see percentages for Bernie Sanders percentages for Hillary Clinton those are approximations that are invented by the news media so they can give you that information in the same way you're normally used to getting it because unlike regular popular votes that doesn't exist in the Iowa caucus there is only a general percentage of the delegates that are given out so there have been this year or this cycle rather some efforts made to digitize the process right there was a mistake in 2012 in the reporting where they declared Mitt Romney to be the winner of the Iowa caucus but they were missing some votes and there were some incorrect tallies which they corrected and then weeks later declared the official winner to be Rick Santorum now a lot of people say that that derailed his campaign because the winner of the Iowa caucus does get a boost in publicity and gets a boost of morale for their staff so this year Microsoft and a company called interno legy that's KNOW interno legy which is co-founded by a former Microsoft employee but specializes in interfaces those two companies have stepped in to provide apps and an Azure based cloud system for reporting the results in an effort to make them more instantaneous and more accurate so precinct captains that will be watching the hoedown or counting the secret ballots can then use an iOS Android or Windows phone and there's apps for all of those and they will be able to you know verify by phone number I actually tried one out and I got to the point where it said okay put in the verified phone number that you're a precinct captain I'm like well I'm not so I can't go any farther but that's how it's verified to be able to enter the statistics now they can only log in for 15 minutes they have to use two factor authentication to make sure it's them the buttons are apparently big and hard to mistake because the old system was touch-tone phone and you could easily type 22 on a touch-tone phone instead of 2 when you're reporting your votes mistaken tallies are also flagged on the central headquarters end by the Azure cloud platform if it sees something that's like wait a minute that's a lot of numbers for that precinct or these numbers don't add up and it will try to catch the mistakes and double check them before submission is officialized and the best part is you can watch this because the results as they are accepted will be posted in real time at Iowa caucus project org they will also still have an old system that uses that touch-tone phone in case somebody has a problem with this new system in reporting but not everybody's happy about the system right no certainly not and by the way just two seconds to go back to why this is a problem that needed to be solved the results of the Iowa caucus which were very raised thin as we found out were held up last cycle because somebody could not get reception on their touch-tone phone and had to drive their results into another another area and so literally the entire political world was held up because somebody was lost getting from point A to point B this serves to be a better situation however Bernie Sanders the lead uh challenger to Hillary Clinton somebody that has uh depending on who you ask a good to very good chance to make this caucus competitive on the democratic and more complicated side says this is a gameable system furthermore he's a more amazing that has a lot of money from four employees and current employees going through Clinton is one that has the name well and hold to you're you're breaking up a little bit there Justin so I just want to add that uh Bernie Sanders is pointing out that in 2008 employees of Microsoft gave money to Hillary Clinton uh Bernie Sanders wasn't running for president in 2008 we don't know who's been giving money to Bernie Sanders this time around although two years ago the last time Bernie Sanders was elected to congress it was mostly unions that gave him money so the guess is even this year it's probably likely that Bernie Sanders isn't getting a lot of money from Microsoft um and I think that just to jump in for a second that the the point the larger point like candidates always gripe about fairness of this and fairness of that and they all each of them have their own independent reporting systems as a backup to make sure like they do that they don't end up uh you know getting a miscounted system but I think that the bigger point is I'm not so worried about the fact that it's Microsoft is the fact that it's only Microsoft and some other associated company like if you're gonna make a system in which electronic reporting of results in any part of the electoral system is um widespread I would kind of like it to be a consortium I would kind of like it to be a sort of a let's all kick in peace core type of a deal where the best technology is being put into play for the American governmental system rather than one company doing it which could either be seen to be manipulatable by some or at the very least what are the how are they gonna benefit from it and so that would be where I would take it is like let's just get like a lot of people in on this system and see if we can make it the best it can be but but Jenny as somebody who's worked with the people that make those decisions if one company just did not just step up and say we can fix it here's an app do you think it would have gotten done by four years or within eight years right no years from a major school you're absolutely right and that's why that's the problem is that the one company's been like look we're gonna do this we're gonna do it but then wouldn't you open it up then if it's one company doing it wouldn't you have to open it up for a level of review and sort of be an open source sort of second third fourth fifth look that I don't necessarily know that Microsoft would want to do because I don't know and no disrespect at all to the Iowa Democratic and Republican local the state parties but I don't know if they've got the eyes on that that that would make me feel comfortable well in a certain it's it's very easy to get into tech tech fear unwarranted tech fear here and I think some candidates may want to take advantage of that and say hey Ledites they're trying to use their technology those fancy Silicon Valley companies they're corporations let's not trust them and some of that is unfair the people who are the precinct captains can check later and say hold on that's not the number I report I remember reporting and there are ways to double check that and the candidates like you said will be doing their own double checking so there's very little I think Microsoft could get away with if they wanted to fix the election all of that said there are lots of chicanery that could happen to derail things like what happened last year accidentally or not last year but last time where a winner was declared who wasn't the winner and that can definitely affect the prospects of a candidate so I think I'm on the balance between saying well look don't distrust Microsoft just because they're a technology company there isn't that much they can do and and there isn't a lot of motivation for them to do horrible things at the same time why not make it open source Microsoft could easily make this open source I have not seen anything that indicates as anything but a closed source proprietary system that runs on Azure there's no reason Microsoft couldn't make it open source and they should in fact if Microsoft wants to be the one that says look we just want to get in here we want to do this for free for the good of the country then open the source code so that everybody can look and see what it's doing I mean you can see the effects of it on either end why not do that yeah well and and I would suspect the answer that question is known as right that we are we are just at a point where now it's becoming a thing because of Bernie Sanders uh for and and by the way I don't blame the Bernie Sanders campaign as Jenny knows the reason why campaigns constantly complain about fairness is the same reason why basketball coaches and football coaches constantly bother the reps is just to make sure that they're like they would rather be in their ear than not in their ear and that's what's happening I think with with Bernie Sanders but you're totally right Tom there should be something that's open yeah because I have no problem with Microsoft doing it just make it an open source effort that they're behind Google has tons of open source efforts hell Microsoft has tons of open source efforts everybody's open sourcing things regarding AI and machine learning why wouldn't you do this why wouldn't you put as much effort behind that why wouldn't you call in some countries who actually have lots of experience on this to help uh of which you know I mentioned Estonia before but they're there's more than just that country and they're really good at it so you know I just I feel like in some cases I'm sympathetic to the Sanders campaign in saying well why is Microsoft doing this for free because they're not doing it for free in the in the most altruistic way they possibly could at the same time I think you're right Justin it's because you know this was just easier yeah and also when it comes to the independent reporting systems of the Sanders and the Clinton campaign just because they're the ones that had been announced that have them I think you run into whole other issues if those happen to be electronic I don't know like did they say whether those are electronic or the old system of just like precinct captains reporting in because if it's electronic you might run into the Mitt Romney problem of when they tried to build an app to get in independent verification and it blew up in their face so I'm not sure that I necessarily as a as a potential voter trust candidates app to do the right thing either oh now we lost Tom this is fantastic Iowa is taking a toll on the podcast I mean John who could blame LTE coverage in Iowa I mean this episode has shown anything is that it's reliable and robust um yeah so wait so so overall I'm sorry we we love was connected audio from video there for a second so so summarize the past 10 seconds uh we were mostly making fun of you we were just wanting yeah we were also lauding how great LTE is in Iowa which is what they're going to be relying on to report these facts and figures I suggested that the NSA probably didn't like us questioning the electoral system so there you go well anyway I I guess what I would say is I'm actually glad that they're doing a cloud-based reporting system I'm glad that they're leaving the old system in place as a backup I think that's why is the only thing I would say is open source it make it make it make it open make it replicable for other states to use make it so it doesn't have to run on Azure and and then I'll be more in support of this sort of thing I yeah I think someone had a really good idea I think it was Carl in the chat room who said we can't trust a voting system unless it's written in assembly and verified by Steve Gibson no no I mean Carl makes a point he made a good point in there that uh you know open source still still takes a lot a lot of time to look at it's not a panacea but at least you can look at it which you can't so I would say it's better to have it that way it certainly doesn't fix everything well I will hear I would say final thought in this order good job Microsoft I think this is a step in the right direction online voting is something that should be more of a prevalent thing in America this brings us closer as opposed to farther away but open it up open sesame it's the right move to do and it's what we need our pick of the day comes from will in maidenhead I said you mentioned in passing on yesterday's show that computers had mastered checkers decades ago there's a really good book about this called one jump ahead it's written by Jonathan Schaefer who led development teams for the computer program that played checkers it's a fascinating story and the descriptions of the software's games against world champion dr. Marion tinsley are particularly gripping dr. tinsley was probably the greatest checkers player ever over the course of his 45 year playing career he only lost seven games wow then he lost to a computer but check it out that's what one jump ahead by Jonathan Schaefer thank you will for that pick send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks one message of the day before we get out of here Cameron and warm Adelaide don't rub it in Kevin said if twitter is struggling with growth and there is a chance they get bought out imagine if linkedin bought them or vice versa maybe a merger twitter being the business to public face linkedin being the business to employee face it would be a tough integration maybe and a hard sell to passionate supporters of both camps but you could see how linkedin would be salivating over the patentating over the potential numbers of businesses that need twitter and how twitter would get a more robust back end and purpose crazy yes but maybe facebook has your social life and the work in business lives need to be gathered together for strength well there's a whole other show in what i think about this hell it's a really actually a great show about like how you could integrate stuff like that but i also think the one point that's missing is there's a lot more going on on twitter than just business and marketing like there's actually occasional authentic human conversation so i don't know if i want linkedin associated with that but you don't have to merge the two services i think that's the key and cameron starts to make it sound like you would but but just like instagram was not merged into facebook but they're both benefiting from being in the same company i think linkedin and twitter could benefit uh that way maybe a unified sales staff maybe not uh leave linkedin as linkedin linkedin's doing very well these days and maybe twitter can learn something from well and and by the way what an upset for those of us who have followed this that like linkedin it is uh the the winner the one the outlasts out out smart out conquer uh you know the beloved media darling that is twitter well linkedin the friendster and myspace era social network which when it launched really wasn't considered a social network per se uh at least wasn't by me and has now become more of more so every day and is used more and more all the time the reason justin robert young is in iowa folks is because of the contender dot us justin robert young where will you be tonight tonight we are going to be at mayhem comics uh that is 7500 university avenue uh the first in the nation card caucus begins this evening come on down if you are in the demoint area uh in about an hour and a half from when we are recording this going to happen your car drive on out we're going to be there for a couple hours play the game when you win you can uh you can you can choose whatever candidate 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of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com diamond club hope you have enjoyed this program boom boom topicality yeah that was awesome uh how how terrible how terrible was the audio uh two or three places it got terrible it got unintelligible the rest of the time was fine yeah all right and besides you're out in the field in iowa it's fine yeah i mean even on cnn they have people i mean but they're usually getting shot at when when when they're yeah or they're like they're in you know they're in deepest afghanistan this is like a four wire back in the day you know that's the difference dts allows you to have a bad connection from the field without getting shot at i think that's a benefit it's a benefit yeah we're sorry your vote could not be completed as biocap that's the old system actually tindec by the way came up with the actual thing i was looking for which was grab pass a comprehensive pass for all grab vehicle systems stop it stop it guys come on yeah come on tindec tind i don't understand why is that a problem i think how will that explain it to you i would uh you know if that was uh if that was nfc i would tap that pass on anything tom tom check your check your privilege and your privacy settings check check your terms of service all right i'm done good night everybody uh okay so uh let's see there's oh my gosh there's a lot of titles um damn the bad well that's damn the bandwidth full stream ahead that's sort of meta show yeah uh justin robot young also very better show i mean i'm personally fine with vote for jenny but i'm not running for anything and so that's easy i could do that i could get behind vote by the way my my wi-fi if you think this is bad my wi-fi right now is a beefy 1.11 down and a uh a nearly symmetrical 0.59 up oh my gosh that's like better than my office though no i'm just kidding my office is much better now we're sorry your vote could not be completed as dialed i really like that could we shorten it to your vote could not be completed as that's great it's gonna work because i think it's a little long yeah but that might make it but i like that because i don't see any iowa ones that are like vote for jenny's caucus or iowa caucus they hardly knew us oh yeah did dig iowa or didgy iowa yeah um no seven x i think your vote could not be completed as dialed is pretty great yeah your vote could not be completed as hey and props to us for not going straight to the ageism of age increase in cap captains i like that i like that we just like didn't go exactly or or uh to the age of bernie sanders and the fact that he's well you know i did want to bring up and i don't it's not a big deal that i didn't i didn't want to bring up that you know it is presumptuous of microsoft to think that every precinct captain will have a smartphone yeah that has nothing to do with age that's just like well wait a minute what if they don't affordability yeah affordability and just you know i'm like i don't have a need for a smartphone why do i you know i'm young i'm smart and i just don't want one well but isn't isn't part of it i mean like is is and i don't know whether or not this is part of the program but it wouldn't shock me if it's like if you do not have a smartphone a smartphone will be provided to you yeah in the in the article from the atlantic they said that they would they would work with precinct captains to make sure they had access to a secure phone so i think the party steps in at that point and says okay well bob over here i'll let you use his phone so and he's secure he's he's a he's you know he's bob he's super nice bob he's bob from the demo puns so all right so here we go i got it in the mail contender and politically incorrect pack i have yes i could not be more excited this is going to get played in our house in the next couple days it's so exciting uh awesome well you want to open it up you want to yeah i'm going to unbox this is my only unboxing unboxing all right got that everybody the cool old school scissors named here the contender is a social card game inspired by the vim and vigor of a real presidential debate 500 cards age 11 to plus not counting the politically incorrect pack players 3 plus time 15 plus minutes that's my kind of game all right here we go here we go if i do it like this they're all going to fall out right now okay look at this welcome to the presidential arena 40 topic cards 460 argument cards that's going to go great in the flanagan household we love you oh this fantastic room for look at this room for future packs i like that leave a little room we which by the way led to many packages being damaged in transit oh but we we are committed to it we like it oh i like to set up whoever has the most presidential hair is the first moderator everyone else is a candidate i love this this is so exciting so yeah to to to give the rules anybody who's not aware of it start off like cards against humanity or apples to apples to get dealt five cards one middle one topic card but that's where it changes uh from then on you begin to make your arguments by putting down three cards in front of you once everybody puts down three cards that's the end of the round you go one by one so you can put down one card to start with and then follow it up with two cards when it comes back around to you if you feel you have an awesome uh sentence that you can already put together just plop down three cards but that's a risk because you better hope it's really memorable and doesn't get forgotten by the time that everybody else goes uh and then or you can just have three one liners or wait and see if somebody's going to say something stupid so when it comes back to you you can jump on them with the perfect comeback oh i love these i'm reading that politically incorrect ones yeah the politically incorrect one is is uh basically the the main deck is family friendly pick it up uh play with your fam if this is more of a friends table top night bar game kind of situation pick them politically incorrect deck as well basically all the cards that we had to cut to make it family friendly they all went in there lots of stuff including to me my favorite topic card in the entire game which is your child so you need to fill in any of the blanks with your child well i'm super excited and i know lots of people that are going to be playing it and as it turns out justin i did some research i'm too old to know anybody covering stuff in iowa ah i mean listen we definitely we definitely uh made abc news in the background uh today here's the difference it was the abc news snapchat we literally saw an interaction between justin long and abc news uh wearing some a paid professional of a national media outlet walked up to a celebrity and said hey can i snap you for abc nice i'm not giving up i'm not giving up i'm reaching out across all bases but apparently the people i know are no longer the type who go to iowa they're the type iowa got you well i'll tell you what we're uh but we met her name is escaping me for cnn mm-hmm uh she was there uh so we were we were amongst all the bernie bus folks uh today um so who knows you know uh well well uh we we are gonna continue doggedly uh in our in our our campaign uh you know we sold a bunch to a ray gun which is a rad store here in the morning uh um and uh hopefully we'll sell a lot more at these at these events would you say that anyway all right i'm speaking i was just curious who gave you the warmest welcomes the warmest welcomes were easily ted crews in bernie i think that's our projections for the uh yeah yeah the warmest now we we effectively by the polls went to go meet up with the underdogs today tomorrow we will visit the favorites we will visit donald trump we will visit hillary world um so we will see whether or not maybe uh they will be super super cool with us as well uh but as it stands right now and cruises people were very efficient very busy but very very kind excited about the the first in the nation card caucus uh took a picture with a volunteer in the deck very excited uh and and bernie sanders man it was just it was uh it was like being in college all over again you know it's just a bunch of people really excited about listening to an older white guy uh it was it was amazing it's a selection bias but sure yeah um all right well good luck and then when you get back i have i have thoughts in a star warsian star warsian set of thoughts come at me yeah all right yeah by the way i'm so excited about i haven't gotten the chance to listen to it yet but i know i will love it because it's three of my favorite people between the two of you and carat so uh congratulations on on the launch and i'm pumped to i'm pumped to listen good time it's good time see you guys all right adios that was a good show yeah uh if it weren't for the technical issues it would have been yeah the best shows of the year yeah and uh i think that we minimized it by having you read the headlines all of them it helps yeah uh the the bigger problem was was the the break in the video which wasn't even justin yeah that was just weird much has happened i wait to go watch and find out what you guys said not very much i because i've now learned the lesson that you're still talking and so we don't try to say anything substantive but now now the folks on video will only hear you talking yeah so we basically were like we just laughed about the fact that you were gone i think if it had gone 30 more seconds we would have gone into some show yeah you know now that was the right that was the right call for sure yeah because i know well i frantically refreshed the page to make it reconnect i just said like jenny's making a really good point there that was fun i love being on uh this show sometimes actually i will add that it helped that you were on jenny because yeah it was just like one other human voice that sounded reasonable uh in terms of like audio quality although i do see i'm still peeking and that's really stressing me out you know i hope it doesn't come through tom is like super garbled now you're echoing i'm on the inside might be wrongly that's by roger um yeah i'm in the red like really hot um do you have a compressor do you use a compressor i'm using um a focus right that goes to a mackey so no you know no i guess none of the audio there's no software suite that allows you to basically do the job of an audio compressor no all right so now i'm talking at full volume and it's not redlining so god tom i hope that i hope it comes out okay you would have heard it yeah you would have heard it if it came out super grumpy clippy clippy yeah that let's talk about star wars was so clippy sometimes it just flat out stopped which was super bummer i don't normally for recording audio i always set the um set the thing to run at least minus six db on the whatever i mean for digital recording device because if i you can always amp it up somewhere else and someone else's hell but does give you some head room uh if if you're in a situation where you can't control the audio yeah one of the things i learned is that the the peak for field recordings for certain radio companies is like negative 12 db which i always thought it was like higher but uh that makes sense in a way i mean the more the especially with digital gear the more padding you can add is generally good i mean of course you don't want to go too far yeah for like everything i've been taught so has been around minus six just to make sure you get it you get it loud enough but you also don't you can avoid clipping if someone starts talking too close to a microphone or something clipping maybe the microsoft could revive clippy we noticed you're clipping would you like to do something about that uh okay what else that's it that's a really good show thanks man i mean like it's and this is i think this is part of what i was trying to articulate oh are we still streaming yeah uh is that um well it's it's the it was like just having having like you know uh just in there and actually being in the mix of it giving his you know giving his eye eyewitness that's it eyewitness his eyewitness oh that would have been a great show title uh it's great because it's like oh got someone on the ground yeah well and and it is mostly optics you know in that he he the story we talked about didn't need him to be there but it was it was a great opportunity because he was there and so and and so he could flesh it out with like hey i was actually at this campaign headquarter early today and then you know that that stuff just makes it more fun to listen to yeah it makes it stand out and a little more engaging yeah because then you would just be a bunch of talking virtual heads that's our show roger oh all right thanks everybody for watching we'll talk to you tomorrow from our heads bye yeti