vitate towards true And uh, all the all you have is like insult. I want to give this piece of advice real fast I'll I'll address that at super chat One of the number one emails I receive they say bro Your debates woke me up the looking into the flat earth But you know why it wasn't really your debates and what you said even though you were good or whatever It was the behavior of the ball When they would just change the subject and interrupt and personally attack and gaslight and poison the well and ad-hom Everything they did was change the subject and interrupt you and insult you and lie about you And misrepresent you that it made me think like wait Why why do people do that and then I went and watched the rest of them And I found out that almost all of them do that and then I read the chats And then I read the comment sections I found out almost every globe earth proponent does that and it made me wonder why I don't want to be a part of a group that just basically does that So then I researched it for their anomal flat earth or so I want to thank you guys for your behavior Because ironically it achieves the exact opposite of what you think I agree entirely I don't think I should dismiss people That have views that are outside of the mainstream view So they may be correct. Like I don't think you're correct I actually believe that you have false beliefs But I respect that you do have these beliefs and I expect respect That you've been convinced that these beliefs are true and I would not call you Irrational necessarily, but anyways, I think we only get an epistemology People are spiraling because I call them out in the chat. I mean, can you can you help us? Can we mean that that behavior if you think there's a globe you think there's a globe, right? That behavior is detrimental Yeah, well, it's the same thing with the atheist and theist debates atheists They'll be ugly They call you mentally ill Or they call you a conspiracy theorist or they call I think you're a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think that's an insult But you know, I if you agree that people may sometimes use tactics when they can't sufficiently intellectually debate the position And the other person may be more informed and more articulate so that they use that as a tactic I mean, it's a well-known tactic. It's called ad-homs and poisoning the world and diversions obfuscation right here That's what it is That's what it is Most people as soon as you get into epistemology at all, they freaking run away Bitter is not like that though. Bitter is like very engaged in epistemology and He seems pretty cool, man. We have to pull you from the depths of depravity on the left Get you over here to the stationary plane existence where we have to acknowledge that someone put the earth in the center of the cosmos Boom, you'll be golden, man. Find a nice brazilian chick. You'll start making babies Uh Well, big ones. I actually don't have babies for this big I don't think you believe in the flatter. I think you you must be gaining something out of this That's your cognitive dissonance because you're trying to convince yourself.  There's a let's let him explain Yeah, I don't just thought about wanting to make babies. I don't think you Yeah, I I disagree with you guys like on um frino off expression. I I actually think flatter for should be censored because Yeah You're lying to people and I I think that's that's a problem You think we should be considered Yes I want to quote somebody you should be censored. It's the Can I quote somebody disgusting, dude?  I want to quote sabine haussenfelder Okay, we're posting a video that says flatter science wrong But not stupid Yeah, but the truth is that like Can you admit the reason that you just said you think I don't really believe in it?  Well, like I lost I lost My job because of this I lost a job offer for this Made my life significantly more difficult to be so public about flatter stuff. Why do you think I lie about it? No, yeah, I think there's a market, you know for for uh, oh my god Yeah, that's crazy that you guys say that people people, you know pay courses about No pseudo science and I feel that as a crime, which is of Charitonism something like that in English. So yeah, I I think I I think you really believe that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I feel bad for you. We can move on I think that the flatter first the big flatter channels are just people profiting out of Uh, gullible people that suddenly didn't get a good enough education You know should not know about flatter because we only need very basic science to know the earth is not flat As I demonstrated in my opening. So yeah, I think you got ducked on with your whole opener I I think you're actually uh profiting off gullible people that sadly didn't got got a good enough education And you're making it harder for us to educate them.  It's literally public But it's like they came out and admitted it. Yeah Hey, go ahead Can I promote or see something like I just went to wit's it gets it youtube channel He has 25,000 subscribers. He's getting like 3000 The 6,000 views maybe 8,000 sometimes you're not making a whole lot of money on youtube. No, bro.  I don't do this for money, dude I hope I hope it don't go by the The only way that I make money is doing business as far outside of anything I do online By the way, it's the only way I can pay my bills I don't care. I don't have to prove myself the people that just look for excuses to Yeah, sincerely sincerely. I I actually hope that's true and I expect that to keep that way if If that's okay, I expect that is true I think that you should reconsider your mentality that people should be censored if they don't agree with you or that you're the arbiter of truth No government has consistently been proven To propagandize its people the brainwash and take advantage of them You should do some research and realize even if we disagree We should be able to talk about it as soon as we can't There goes all freedom, bro. It's it's not complicated. It's why it's the first amendment Yeah, I This is not a debatable censorship. But yeah, I think some ideas when propagated can make society worse like Denying like like bio weapons are good for you. Yeah That's the idea that Is a bad idea that hurts people Yeah, we so yeah, we can have that discussion another time About freedom of speech, uh, you know, there's all kinds of things You've heard all kinds of dissecting points where these guys agree and disagree with each other So, I mean you don't know what side of the panel these guys could be on next time on these issues Which is super exciting pseudonym for five dollars I'm gonna say your name all screwed up now. So you got me all Oh, you've done it too many times Ozean. No, it's it's it's ought Ozean. Yeah, see everybody's Ozean, right? Well, I'm Ozean I'll do my freaking intro thing Oze Ozone talks. Yes. I don't understand. All right We gotta stop because people are gonna think that I'm just a general bully or something But really me me and uh, Ozean get along very well I don't understand hundreds of years ago when someone say a boat disappear It's going past the curve right now At 150 feet the ship came back Question mark at the end of that That's for you. The ship was never entirely invisible. So but Part of the ship was exposed as the drone went up in elevation Yep, so I wasn't looking at the ship going over the horizon All right. All right. Well, let's continue on there. Uh, the karate 029 for two dollars. Thank you so much Did the flat earthers just say science denier? Yeah, bro, it's hilarious. They're denying the fizz. They're denying the physics of Rayleigh criteria And resolvability based on attenuation and reception angles. They're denying like basic science They deny electrostatics is intrinsically stronger than gravity by 10 to 36 power They deny that all like you're intermolecular. They denied that all molecular and intermolecular attractive forces are electrostatic nature like The irony is you guys deny science and physics I'm sorry if you deny that things can disappear from the bottom up because of optics alone You deny physics and if you deny that your explanation of the drone is actually explained with perspective You deny basic physics. So like I do find it funny to throw a science denier back at you Well, I'm not a scientismist. I see that all the time. I don't worship at the altar of science I'm a naturalist Which is different. I accept scientific claims When I look into them typically I accept scientific claims like Well, like dark energy and dark matter is not a theory. It's a hypothesis to explain stuff We don't understand But you'll get tons of people that will claim that dark energy and dark matter actually does exist But there's actually we don't know that so like I don't worship at the altar of science So I'm not a scientismist. Oh, you're not. Yeah, you're not as bad as some of them All right, let's continue on Can go 44 20 dollars. What's it? So perspective makes things disappear from the bottom up So a plane flying away from you gets smaller than disappears bottom up Strange how a boat disappears bottom up But a plane at a similar distance does not Yeah, so You just don't seem to understand it Like angular size and angular resolvability are different things Okay, and first of all actually even in the distance a plane can disappear from the bottom up Which goes to show that like you're just like I don't know why you just say things It's okay Okay, so the fact that change things change angular size is not the same as angular resolution limits It's not the same thing. Sure. It's somewhat in the same ballpark of perspective. They're not the same thing So when things listen to very care when things disappear in the distance They'll disappear from the bottom up because the reception angle is smaller below your eye level than above it Which means that that reception angle will fall down beneath the Resolvable angle before the stuff above the eye level Which means it will start to lose resolvability gradually from the bottom up. It's just basic physics, bro It's it's like provable. You can do it with experiments and labs and of course the bottom of the atmos is more dense So it will absorb the light more in the higher levels of the atmos. That's called attenuation So you will lose things from the bottom of I I explained it in depth right there. I would love to not be doing it but yeah, just just look into angular resolvability attenuation And propagation reception angles relative to angular resolution angle All right, any other thoughts on that or do we want to move on? All right, I think that's about that All right, so for 999 and I deleted your name. So I'll get in a second to the globe heads Every globe toy says not for education on it. Do you believe in Facking santa claus 2 or are you just lying? I wonder if that gets me around the swear jar on youtube This one doesn't actually say that I I have seen the ones that do this see for educational purposes only but I don't see that on this one. No decoration purposes not educational Or for decorations. It doesn't see that on here either What what does that mean for a decoration purposes only? What can you not use it for like that's the purpose of Oh Oh, no, some people use them as decorations. So that because you're not accurately scale Nobody picks up a globe and starts walking around and trying to navigate with a globe.  We have by the way No, it's not Yeah, like If you if you look at the At the world map There's clearly distortion Like Greenland that the usual map that we use not the Better one Greenland is much bigger than then It should be some countries like brazil look way smaller where brazil is almost the same size as the united states, you know, because Due to the projection we use stuff in the north sim bigger But yeah, the only the most accurate maps that we have are the the globes if you measure stuff on the globe and then Do the proportion to the scale and then go to google and Research, what is the distance you're going to see that it's very accurate exactly exactly how Almost like if the earth was a globe and if you do that on any flat map that's not going to happen So the globe is another evidence that the earth is not a flat, but it's actually a globe Actually, that's not true. You have to make all kinds of magnec declarations Corrections in the south which are stream and even get up to 179 degrees to navigate as the british and us government found out As you go really far south the globe doesn't work. Oh, that's kind of ironic. I don't I don't know why people don't understand that you live on you live on a plane Sorry, the globe. I was listening the whole time. I just had to had to address. It was just kind of hard Hard to listen to that's okay. We yeah, so you got wireless ones on Yeah, I think ozion has wireless ones as well there But yeah, let's kick it over to karen for this one. Elijah Riviera five dollars What's the incentive to hide the truth about flat earth? What does gravity work on flat earth if I pay for a flight to outer space? Would you go? I Wait, what? I'll read it again read again my karen. It's a bit wordsy. I mean they asked three questions there So if I paid for a flight to outer space, would you go? What's the incentive to hide the truth about flat earth and how does the gravity work on flat earth? So Um, yeah, would you go to space if somebody paid for your flight karen? Um, I'm sure most flat earthers would probably say yes I really don't want to get on one of those rockets those death traps and like possibly be exploded into tiny bits Um, I don't really think that's necessary to prove that the earth is flatter globe Please send somebody else to to to space Okay I have children That's you say if they kill me they'd be like wait a minute. I don't know right like I think it'd be safer than going to see the titanic though. Yeah, I wasn't doing that either I would go a hundred percent think about it.     I don't have children bro. I don't care But yeah, go ahead. Oh, yeah, let me say be sure like I want to point out to the audience What you'll find out is the people that adamantly defend the globe It won't really talk to you about any of the gravy like the like the truth bombs So let me let me drop one on you real fast. He brought up the titan. I gotta do So like in the late 1800s There was a science fiction novel written about the world's fastest and strongest ship And everyone thought was indestructible and couldn't be sung And they put the world's wealthiest and most powerful people on it and then it sank in the ocean by hitting an iceberg That book was re rewritten or retitled and then published in 1912 the same year the titanic happened The name of the book was called the wreck of the titan And it was literally about the world's most powerful fast ship that was going to mysteriously wreck after everyone That was indestructible. It was published the same year as the titanic Which had the people opposed the federal reserve on it and then the people that got in the submarine to go look at the titanic We're in a submarine titled the titan So, you know, I don't I just don't know how normal people can hear that stuff and be like no It's totally like 17 coincidences in a row. But No, okay What do you think What is exactly the conspiracy you believe about the titanic? The people that were opposed the federal reserve like jacob asher The richest the most wealthy person in america that home owned like 90% of all mortgages He said he didn't want a federal reserve bank a centralized bank They put all those people on there jp morgan paid to have it funded He was supposed to go there Then he backed out last minute then it wrecked when they swapped out the sister ship that already had damage They got millions of dollars in insurance It's just it's it looked at you got a research stuff You're saying it was willingly sent the same Yeah, yeah, I think it's very possible that it was sank on purpose. Yeah, and they've they've had this debate on modern day debate, too I think if you look at this, I think so. I think it's been brought up a couple times. I don't agree with you But that's okay. That's everything I said was just a fact. I mean you you can draw your own conclusions I wasn't trying to distract too much. We explained gravity gravity just the effect hijacked and the presupposed cause of the bending and warping of spacetime There's never been proven is not verifiable as a replication fallacy on his face And of course things can fall to the ground on a plane so All right, well, let's try to move on from there everybody if we're good on that one And keep your super chats coming in keep them friendly everybody We appreciate them and hit that like button while you're at it. It never hurts to hit a like button Um, you know, you might you sure to agree with somebody here on the panel. So give it a like Cool Lambo 10 dollars the existence of the spherical earth is something that is not immediately evident The existence of god is also not immediately evident. Why would you believe one over the other? Uh, quick short response. I'll track you for a second, but that's okay Yeah, I have evidence. I've been presented to good enough evidence about the globe I've never been presented to good enough evidence about god and some gods have been presented to are actually Contradictory some gods I've been presented to cannot exist uh logically so Yeah, all gods I've been presented to either was with insufficient evidence or Impossible and when it comes to the globe I've been presented evidence for the globe which you can just go back to the beginning of the debate and rewatch it Yeah, we demon he was asking basically why do the I'm not mistaken. He's asking the flat earthers Why is it that you believe in the globe? Um, that requires not abundantly evident at first sight But you believe in god when it's not abundantly evident at first sight Like why do you have the double standard and the answer is obviously the earth is physically and tangibly accessible We can go out and test it directly We did that and the curvature is not existent We prove the earth is not what they said it is and of course a omniscient creator Outside the confinement of material and time is not directly and tangibly accessible So it requires logical deduction only to do that. So it's it's fundamentally different. It's not a good analogy Oh, I didn't think that was for the flat I agree I think it was for the flat earther actually I think they're asking why the flat earther Doesn't accept the claim that the globe is a globe because you can't physically see it But they accept that god exists and you can't physically see god Yeah, like that's another debate, you know, like that we we would have to Analyze the reasons that's why they believe in god, you know, like is it because of a cosmological argument that continues the argument The big day, you know, like that's a whole other hours of the day If the earth and would you guys agree if the earth is in the center of the cosmos And it had to be placed there Um, the cosmos may be infinite So the earth would be in the center But there would be no center No, no, I said if it's in the center No, I would say in the center. Um, no, you choose to be coincidence Yeah, I would say the earth is in the center of everything that exists. Okay, bro I would say that if the earth is in the center, there could be a reason that's why that is Uh, that is a creator That does not prove that there is a will behind that That would be a Literal god of the gaps argument. We don't know there for god No, you know, you have The irony of them saying god of the gaps, but then you can just make up anything you want to to fill in your gaps The multiverse So the big big doesn't work because none of the evidence matters. I'm just explaining. That's what your current side does They're like, oh, well, maybe there's maybe there's an infinite amount of universes. It doesn't matter Whatever, I'm just saying that logically. Yeah, that's the earth is logically speaking brother The earth is in the center Everything that we see logically speaking It would require intention to put it directly in the center to have a special and unique position Where everything pays homage to it moving around it. That's just basic logic This has been known for hundreds of years. Edwin Hubble Einstein.  Yeah, I want to say something. It seems like when you're Yeah, sorry, go ahead Well, I was going to say, uh, we've got a ton of super chats. So, um, if you got I'll try I'll try and pull back That's okay. I usually try to let the speakers direct how long they want to keep it going But then sometimes we get to the end and people are like that took four hours and I was like, well You guys can't get talking Three hours now almost. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well We had a little mishap at the beginning there about richie constitution five dollars for the flat earth team Why have we never seen the edge of the flat earth? We'll start with you, Karen um Who says there's an edge I don't know that there's an edge. That's just programming. That's making you think that there's an edge The edge is in your mind That's a bit like I think as if pictures we see like flat earths like Yeah, because that idea they they implant that edge idea in your mind so that your initial reaction When somebody tells you that the earth is level and stationary or flat Is that you laugh at it because you're like, oh All the oceans would be pouring off the edge of the earth if the earth was flat But that's completely silly and wrong Because it's just not like that Weird like and who's to say you can see that far you can't see forever Why haven't we seen the edge can't go past the 60th south latitude. It's illegal I don't know We see stars light years away Oh, really, how'd you verify they were that far away? Do you know how far away a light year is? Yeah How far we we can measure their distance via parallax. No, how far away is a light year? I I would have to make the the accounts right now and I also I'm used to the metric system not the U.S. Stupid system 5.88 trillion Miles away one trillion seconds is over 30 000 years. I stacked up one trillion one dollar bills It'd be over 600 miles tall It's a it's a number. You can't even fathom. They can't verify the distance They use the ladder method which has been debunked with Hubble tension You guys should research that. I know I know he thinks around eight The sun is eight uh light minutes Is 63 241 astronomical units If you want to go by a u which is I believe the distance from the Earth to the sun It's called pseudoscience Guys, don't know the distance.  I just said Howard Moore I'm gonna I'm going to continue on with the superchats because we have so many guys Uh, I don't want to keep you here all night. Howard more five dollars. Thank you blue bob jesse gordon and jesse cuz Kaloski Larry scott cusho and george knott. I'm not sure who these people are rest in peace For the measurements karen b said don't exist So I think it's a question for you. Do you know who these people are again? Can you repeat that again? I'm sorry I said, thank you blue bob jesse gordon jesse keselowski Larry scott cusho and george knott rest in peace for the measurements Karen b said don't exist I think these might be I'm not sure people that supposedly measured the earth or anti-flat earthers the reason they didn't say how they did it Because we would destroy all the flames that that was measured anything about that nonsense Yeah, they're basically saying like all right. They did measure the earth's curve karen. You didn't know and uh Kara knows damn well that they did No, I didn't know Yeah, please. Let us know let us know. All right. Well, I've been looking for that and I didn't know How long do millions of people? Millions of people do not believe the earth is flat Well, there's over 15 million in brazil or my boys from alone and in the 2022 survey in america said that over 11 answer that the earth was you think over 35 million people So you're wrong about that. But wait a second. How many in brazil? Uh, there was over 10 million like seven years ago 11 percent would be a billion maybe but I don't even think it's a billion 11 percent of americans Which would be like 35 million look up brazil brazil is million 11 percent of 8 billion is not a billion of america america no, if if you extrapolate it to the people in america If you extrapolate 11 percent to the entire world why I didn't say that I said 11 percent of america He said billion people he said millions said million do oh millions. Okay. I misheard you then. Sorry Yeah, we have 11 million in brazil. That's that's boring. I just go good Yeah, dude. I believe it. You can say it's worrying what the truth is There go or not that you haven't tested the earth there goes. I am that's why this guy should be censored I don't agree Because you can't go and like you can't entertain alternative like this But I don't speak portuguese and I wasn't telling the brazilians. It was flat, dude. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I know I know I know who was I know who is if you censor people they'll file in other ways to communicate To avoid the censorship. It has happened Actually every single time you try to censor people people have found a ways to avoid censorship No, check about this. What is it? What's it called that what is something effect a rise in effect or something That when you actually help people they're not allowed to do something they do it So so actually once again, this is where the ballers don't understand basic logic If you try to force people not to look at flat earth, they're gonna be like wait Why won't you guys let us see that just like when you lie attack straw man and red herring? They're like wait a minute. What's going on with flat earth? So Let me answer that real quick. There was a brazilian comedian His name is Leonardo links Leonardo links and he had a show That had racist jokes and he was censored and then everyone uploaded his show and You know with hundreds of thousands millions of views. It's exactly the fact we are talking about. However I posted A video during the world cup And my video was immediately not available in a list of countries because it was official Fooding that I was publishing That kind of thing if it's uh previously censored, you know If it's impossible to be published if we have ai detecting the words flat earth and it's not published then They'll create their own platforms to avoid the ai censorship the one thing anyone There's finish. Let me finish. We know this as children When we're told not to touch something when we're told not to see something we field in Wrapped we feel like oh shit like i'm going to get hurt If I try to express myself One of the one things we fundamentally know as human beings I think this the most fundamental thing to being human is of freedom to express ourself Religiously artistically verbally Vocally screaming running around Friggin being lgbtq Not if you're making society worse.  I want to agree to disagree on this man. It's it's Basic logical principle, man. Like uh the reason people censor ideas is because they can't intellectually debate Nope in brazil racism is censored Not because it can actually debate. Okay. Yay. You guys are so awesome, but you're not, you know, so it's like whatever Nazism not so you can't be a nazi you see there you can't you can't see it was good for the united states to bomb japan Yeah, I can say it Even though pro harbour was a setup and they didn't nuclear I think it was carpet bombing. I opposed the bombing to japan. I did that to beat.  I don't think it's jq I don't want to accidentally look up anything that's like Suspicious, so I've already screwed up my algorithms enough by uh hanging out with modern day debate What do you what else do you guys want me to do? What do you want me to do everybody? Stop it. I don't know. All right. Yo, meg wordy Two dollars gravity is non sequitur. We experience down not in Thoughts on that Okay, we experienced down All right. You all agree, right? Yeah. Thanks for your super chat. Yeah, it's a little vague So we're having a little trouble with it there, but we'll continue on Congo ten dollars. What's it give a five kilogram plastic ball Given a five gram. Yeah, a kilogram plastic ball two meters from the ground with five newtons of force applied Please use your electrostatic equations to solve where the ball will land It's crazy, dude. This dude just invoked five newtons of force and then pretended that I needed He didn't like beg the question of newtonia mechanics. So didn't ask me to replace newtonia mechanics Didn't even understand what he was doing He literally begged the question and reified newtonia mechanics and then asked me to replace it with his variable that was reified Yeah, he did but there's an agreement Let me explain this There's something called a kinematic equation in which you can solve for 9.8 meters per second squared with initial velocity height in time alone You don't need any presupposed dynamic relationship of newtonia mechanics called a kinematic equation Everything's intrinsic electrostatic once the vector is determined, which is down and it hasn't agreed upon average of 9.8 meters per second squared It's a fact you could do all engineering you do everything in the world using a kinematic equation of height time and initial velocity Anyone that denies that is denying basic reality. It is really weird if you do The equations the same the equations the same it used as different inputs into the equation the forces for electrostatics are not strong enough at distance To explain why things are accelerating down at 9.8 meters per second scared I don't understand you it's the same equation with different inputs Now what I just said was you don't even use a need to use a dynamic assumption. You can use kinematic Equations kinematics is how bodies move in relation to each other dynamics is supposedly the force that causes them to do that Okay, we use a kinematic equation to solve for downward acceleration on the earth using height time and initial velocity and downward acceleration that due to electrostatics is not because Electrostatics is a force pulling things down to the earth. So when you say it's not strong enough to do it That's a strawman fallacy. This would take a long time to fully explain But I heard your original argument I heard you didn't get it you didn't understand it about buoyancy and all the other stuff I did understand what you were trying to claim Oh, let me rephrase that No, I didn't fully understand it, but I heard your argument. I knew what we're trying to claim We'll go listen more carefully. Yeah Yeah, again, I just want to say he's not assuming newtonian mechanics Uh newtons is simply the measurement that we use for a force. We measure force and newtons True, you know owner his name Yeah, exactly So if you presuppose newtonian mechanics and ask me to replace it within the very variable that you're not doing that He did he did You said he did because he said newtons newtons is not presupposing newtonian mechanics It literally is No, it's the unit newtons is simply the unit if it's a unit of the presupposed force No, no, no, if you if you measure if you measure the magnetic is strong and weak forces You're gonna measure it in newtons if you measure the force You know like the force between two magnets, you're gonna measure it in newtons. It's not it's not saying that the the Gravity is what magnets why magnets are being pulled Yeah, okay So assuming a force pulling things down to the ground because of the effect of downward acceleration is a begging the question in Reification fallacy. I just explained in depth at the density relationship and the electrosec relationship of the object in the medium Is what's going to determine its factor can be directly manipulated via scientific experimentation Let me give you the bottom I answer your take forever. We'll debate some other time about gravity. It will take forever Yeah, I don't mind much of what you're saying other than that that that tesla quotes actually misattributed Tesla did not actually say that quote where the earth is around I don't think that quote. Yeah, that's that's misquoted But I mean tesla did make it very clear that everything's intrinsically electric and that the sun and the moon are a local phenomenon That we get energy directly from above us. He said that the idea that space and time bend in warp is Oh You went away with it Oh, you froze are you back? Wow, I don't know Anyway, the tesla tesla. He says my connection is unstable So, yeah, anyway, yeah, like I was thinking All right I love nicola tesla like he I think he was probably one of the most influential people and rolled history because of AC but I don't worship tesla and he wasn't right about everything. He was a Genius engineer. He could functionally Make things do what he wanted them to do which Yeah, I don't know what's going on there. That's it. Yeah. Yeah Something happened with witsett The stream is ending. I think he's using a virtual camera. Yeah. Yeah, just give me a second. I'm trying to figure out.  That's okay Yeah, yeah, that's all right. We've dealt with that before in the the past Sorry, everybody. If I was muted there for a second, let's move over to our screen share Will we wait for witsett to get back and let's continue on with our questions because so many questions uh Yeah, teo mega wordy five dollars show up for a flat earth debate instead of going off into the weeds of gravity Gravity is non sequitur down is down globe needs inwards So I think they're complaining about our discussion about gravity, which we just kind of said we should move on from Um, well, I think they reframed the question. They're seeing inward to the center Of the earth, but but that's what we call down in the globe model. So That sounds like a non sequitur to me. We're we're both seeing down is to our feet. Yeah, that is for the center Depends on the ever the reference what I count down someone in japan calls up Um already what? No, I don't agree with that down is Down is to my feet. Yeah. What the down for me Which is this the reaction for the center of the earth If you continue that's eventually up for a japanese I don't agree, but that's okay All right, well All right, well kcr a low mic ryan modern day debate legend. Well, thanks kcr. I never Failed to let you down at least once per debate when it comes to that mute button. Do I? um You know, I was doing so well for so long there, but I got pulled into this as well kind of last minute So I might be off my game a little bit bite me. Thanks for being a member for the last two months for ten dollars We might have to wait for witsit for this one has he He has not tried to join back yet Hmm Maybe we'll wait on that question sure thing. Uh, well This is it's kind of a little bit of ad hominy as well What's it?  Um, yeah, he's not here Here's no question. That's pretty personal That's no question. Yeah it's kind of just And he won't care because Witsit is is a smart guy and he's confident in his knowledge and And it's about your values too. It's not all people value a good job or high incomes Some people value what they believe is the truth and the value promoting what they believe is the truth so it I'm that's why I think it's I I wouldn't call him a liar. I don't think he's being deceitful now There's probably our pose if you don't know what Poe is it's Like somebody where you can't tell the difference between the person that legitimately Legitimately believe something is true versus a person that's pretending to believe it's true I don't believe that either Karen or witsit are those people um What is it gonna say? Yeah, that's it. You don't necessarily value money or That type of success sex success can be found in other things. Some people value believing in God Um, some people value doing charity. There's nothing wrong with that Witsit is back Let's get the screens reorganized Just one second everybody Don't mind me. My name is James right now, but I'm actually Ryan Guys never know what happened James, right? Uh, yeah, I think he's hanging out doing schoolwork right now The craw daddy. Are you just missed a personal question there? What's it? Can you hear me?  Oh, there you go. I can hear you know, um, so yeah We just finished saying that we didn't think you'd really care about this ad hominy type super chat that we just got Witsit you're making a joke out of yourself and ruining your own reputation being a flat earth or It's sad because I think you're actually smart. So it's sad watching you put that to waste, but it's your life So we'll move on from there but I figure you'd like to know that somebody was giving you some heat and uh, We all agreed that you probably wouldn't care too much You please provide physical verifiable empirical measurement of the earth's curvature Yeah, I like how we didn't really ever continue on the earth curvature thing No, but everyone wants to talk about the lack of measurable earth curvature Can we avoid it like I'm keeping it on point? That's all I talked about. We appreciate that. No, but you didn't measure anything So scar daddy for two dollars also another ad hominem will just move on Dr. Mantis toboggan five dollars where did witsit find his info on electrostatics? Did he do it to himself or is he trusting science? Good job, uh, ozian and batara you racked these fools Oof. Oh my goodness. Oh, you must be spicy But actually I did uh, I did the test myself I used the vendor graph generator and I changed the weight of an object that changed the acceleration rate I made things levitate and I actually made it go up as well I manipulated the independent variable of electrostatics changed the vector weight and direction of the object grouping that is in fact Puzzle agent and you can verify that all objects are in terms of the electrostatic simply by I used the electrostatic induction reference. Yeah, I actually did it myself But just kind of how science works. So I get you guys don't make it You try it Aluminum reacts differently to electrostatics and lead does reacts differently than iron does Depending on the type of material it is it reacts differently to electrostatics Well electrostatics holds it together and gives us the density i.e. the compactness of matter Which means it's more compact than the matter of the medium it's surrounded in which calls it to go down And drastically change the actual directionality. You have to get the family introduced by such a fact relative to the amount of matter Slow down run it back word salad. Whatever. There's four fundamental forces. Not just one When it one isn't explained by quantum physics yet, which is gravity. I understand that No, I mean it's not in any way compatible with quantum physics can't be discovered scientifically at all and it doesn't actually exist Okay, guys real quick. I'll be right back. I have to Sorry, will you go find the earth curvature while you're gone? All right, that's all right, let's continue on everybody Uh, we're all having fun here and uh, yeah, I don't usually like to ask those types of questions But I I know wits. It's such a good sport.  I must I must hear what you guys have said in your in your uh, Your debacle about what he might have said which is uh, that's all fun to us over here So batars gone now. So, uh, Don't mind us. We'll just continue on here because we got so many questions. Tell you mega birdie Perhaps I will join a modern day debate one day and school optics I'm not really sure Please unless you're unless you're oh, if you're a fighter, or maybe you do understand optics Whoever seems to not not like They deny that the street lights go down weird They don't go down Oh, you see what I'm like a case in point Case in point you're talking about if they could appear to go down That's an illusion. They're not actually going down. That's what perspective Oh, so yeah, I thought when they said the optics, they met me and I was getting my first compliment to the night You say All right, let's Continue on All right. Will Bennett von dollar 99 wits it. Why does the moon have shadows and craters? Thanks for your first suit chat will Yeah, nice assumption that they're craters when they're all like allegedly perfectly 90 degree impacts, which makes sense large So ever but we can replicate the moon with a holographic Projection based on electromagnetic polarization an assumption to claim that as shadows I will agree it does somewhat look solid, especially when we've been agreeing with that I did but you can show solidity or the appearance of solidity with a holographic projection based on the electromagnetic polarization Uh, so yeah, there you go. And it looks like the phases are actually just a cyclical nature like the energy cycle itself and also polarization Why couldn't god just make it look like it's there? Why does it have to be anything? I don't know why why couldn't god just make it what it is. It's the light Like like you can make any claim like we've been to the moon, but Yeah, except we haven't okay. Give me one Oh weird that you still believe that Can I all right, so How do people even the moon landing now? Yeah like uh, what? Why why would the soviet russia not deny the moon? Oh, man, I don't know. I've actually I've actually heard two different russian astronauts and soviet astronauts specifically do that very thing I guess they don't count now that we've offered you actual cosmonauts from russia that said the moon landing was fake Now they don't count and we can just keep keep asking why they didn't buy it Yeah, I will I would expect the cosmos, but like why would not the the soviet state deny it, you know Because for one they the russia gets to tell their people what they want to to propagandize them Which is through the first ones. It's in an animal to space the first one is in a person to space the first one is in a satellite to space Then america gets to propagandize their people by saying we were the first one to land on the moon So everyone wins they all work together. They're all signed to the antarctic treaty So it seems pretty simple to me, but a lot of people seem to not understand that they all work together So that's why fatter this in I don't think you realize how strong class hatred was in soviet russian and how How much people would hate the us not and want to feel better than it Yeah, they would absolutely deny it You're talking to the leftist Yeah Yeah, yeah, I know freedom is freedom sucks, huh? No freedom is great. Yeah, let's continue on before we get down there Freedom talk again We'll have that some other time Commercial sign of video two dollars says flat tober fest 2023, las vegas october 21st and 22nd All right, you can clip that and use that for your audio whatever that is I don't endorse what was going on here on either side because I'm an emirator, but I read that that's over. Yeah, you can yeah, you yeah, you can come as long as you allow me It's actually done I'm just glad we didn't get in the bedroom talk. Whoo. Just thank my lucky stars. All right as soon as you said overfest.com Yeah, las vegas It's at toberfest.com.  Yeah It's fantastic Tharn those rebels blast them. All right All right, run boston bear 999 Witsett why in your playlist in the field? Are you able to talk to a professor of astronomy? Dr. Roberts parks for three hours and 45 minutes with a minimal drama But in here it's all drama Seems weird. Are we all drama? I know but I mean they do they do make a good point that went um frozen again No, I can hear you You are frozen. I can hear you if you're frozen I'm not even touching anything and everything's pushing now But like I will say I will say if you can hear me it is it's interesting that the phd's can talk to me about High-level science and their theories without all the drama and ad-homs and fallacies I can talk to them for four hours get them to make all kinds of concessions That when I debate on modern-day debate and they uh seemingly Can't do that What's the debate versus a discussion? Um, okay Uh, the the professionals have no problem conceding as opposed to If you want mdd, but All right. Well, uh, if we don't have any other thoughts with that one, let's continue one. Uh, yeah, but Flare for the drama. Why not?  Uh, Amanda member for two months Here, uh, not really a question Tea baggins ten dollars Karen wits it our legends no doubt Keep up the great work out there and thank you for continuing to try to wake people up to the truth May the creator bless you and your family.  We want from tea baggins Thank you so much tea baggins for your ten dollars there and uh, your nice compliments to our speakers tonight Uh, gene see alicia says for five dollars Who paid the ancient greeks to be part of the conspiracy? I mean the people that were constantly molesting little boys and then like the one percent of the world that claimed The earth was a sphere because the perfect shape was a sphere and then out of the philosopher Just a couple percent of them even thought that and they all debated it And they said it had to be a sphere because the perfect shape was a sphere that god made And then they claimed that boats went over the horizon with the naked eye I don't think anyone had to pay them.  Yeah, provably and admittedly they were pedophiles.  Like you think yeah, I think they were retarded Yeah, they said the earth must be a sphere because the quote unquote Perfect shape is a sphere made by the sun god. So yeah, I find that pretty retarded Okay Mitigate how much we are using those terms because I do know that can get us in trouble in my country And we do want to watch it here in my country. So just that's all right Freaking canada. Yeah other thoughts ozaw. I you had some thoughts there, uh ozawian Uh, I mean the foundation for epistemology and knowledge comes from those philosophers regardless of how Moral or immoral or right or wrong. You could have been about different issues be built Western civilization upon those concepts Over so everything they said was right. Yeah. So I guess every oh everything that doesn't matter. That's a fallacy, right? That's inflation. It's no. I'm actually pulling your argument out and making the logical conclusion Which was since we used their philosophies what they said about the earth must be no valid or something Not what I said is that what your points are relevant? Just because he said one things are true. Just because we built upon their Knowledge doesn't mean everything they said or did was good or moral What I said or correct exactly. So that was I wouldn't dismiss them entirely I don't want to cut off the conversation But I kind of have to because we've got so many more chats to go through like I'm scrolling through and I'm like Holy lightning So let's try to keep rolling through it surge in general. Thanks for being here in the live chat tonight I appreciate everything you do buddy. He says consider being a member member a member for two dollars a month Amazing. Thanks for that surge in general. I appreciate you once again for everything that you do Teo omega wordy two dollars Bitar why does is s show different curve rates? does it I don't know. I don't know if it does if it does I don't know why When it moves like maybe it's almost like it's about the camera I don't have to Can you explain that was I Um, you have different types of cameras on the ISS But we have like satellites are further away to get full views of the earth So no, we don't no, we don't they admit they stitched those together and they claim it's it's every 10 minutes And then it takes 45 minutes Wish I had that well keeping it all on brand Teo mega wordy for five dollars asks in addition to that. Oh zion Can you please explain to wit and karen how you don't understand that opening propagation Angles to reception angles means you can see more So it seems like we're all in the same vein there. So I'll let you guys continue Open and propagation angles so like the camera lens how it's open doesn't mean I'm not sure of the question. I'm not okay. He's talking about how based on aperture and Rayleigh criteria based on simple Resolvability or angular resolution the reception angle and the propagation angle of the light From the object that you're looking at that reception angle relative to the aperture determines Resolvability when you're looking in the distance and things fall below that resolvable limit of whatever optics you're using Based on aperture you can no longer resolve it which makes it disappear Things below your eye level will be closer to eye level. So they'll disappear first Disappear from the bottom up So it's just basic, you know physics Optics physics, whatever. Yep. Oh, yeah, supposedly it's all right Everything's coming in from Dr. Dino Oh, thanks for a design for wrapping up up there Dr. Dino or Dino five dollars wits it How do you plate tectonics work on the flat earth? We can measure the plates moving using gps and physical means. How do earthquakes happen? Anyway, you're asking me how plates work on a flat earth Well, like what are they bowls? Because if they're plates, then they work perfectly on a flat earth Because plates are flat So Are they are they bowls? Are they tectonic bowls? So, yeah, there's there's like horizontal layers of parallel planes that make up the earth And there's electrical vibration within the earth And whenever there's discharge we get vibrational resonance. So pretty simple. I mean actually the question is how do tectonic plates work on a globe Yeah The earth is Spinning and has a mantle and the crust rotates at a different rate as the mantle does I mean, I'm not a tectonic plate expert either But I know that's the general gist of um, where we get tectonic plates The question is like if it's a plate and it's flat, how does that work on a globe? That's just a name like no, no, it's not it's it's we use a seismology with horizontal parallels Hmm So they're asking you're seeing the force that causes the tectonic plates to move in earthquakes and stuff Is explained by some release of electrostatics is electrical discharge Okay, which is just science. I mean who needs that right? It's not okay. It's not science How do are they tectonic bowls or are they tectonic plates? It would be though the name we use doesn't freaking matter And play plate plates are like this anyway No, they're not Yeah, they are Are you kidding me? Well, how many plates have you bought that were flat? Usually they're curved to old food in them Like oh wait, you're saying there needs to be a curved higher elevation at the edge to contain things like water Wow, it's crazy. An artist is the highest elevation. The plates are inverted though. They're upside down plates All right, bruh. All right, bruh you let me know how If you want to be Want to be pedantic about names because we call it plates that means or okay flat plate doesn't mean flat Finally got my camera fixed. Let me let me let me make my seat Seismology doesn't work on the globe because the globe prediction doesn't match the actual seismic activity We have arrival times that are off by up to seven minutes based on the propagation speeds That's like all the way across the earth So an object or a location that's right here thousands of miles closer than another location will receive the signal Last even though it's closer to the epicenter We also have all kinds of anomalies with the globe model with seismology We use plates that are horizontal and parallel to even map it out and it's electrical Discharge that causes vibrational residence Let me go I've done this too much honestly Sorry for laughing everybody's Everybody's uh, the mods in the live chat are giving me a hard time on the discord for uh, once again Give mispronouncing, uh, ozion's name ozion You know what I think they care more than you do but you know, it's making me It's funny Yeah, it sure is Anyways, it's it's it's funny and surgeon But I appreciate you guys trying to keep me on track here because uh, yeah, I do have short term memory Do you have any lyrics I have to keep track of in this brain here? I've talked with you on anyways Let me have this No, I'm kidding. All right, Elijah Riviera five dollars You can measure curvature a small circle of radius on the surface With a center at that point and to calculate the circumference Or area of the circle I'm going to not give any address sending the That's not curvature Even say a method he just said you can do it. I promise A circle and a circumference. Okay, that's Still not curvature. Yeah, where's the radius to the sphere matching the convexity of the surface? Where is the physical empirical measurements of earth's alleged curvature? That's what we get Is that a question for me? I thought you were responding to that's a question for all ballers for going on seven years now What's your question can repeat it can you provide physical empirical measurements of the earth's alleged curvature? Yeah, if you want that net if you watch that netflix documentary the illiterium The the flat earthers did it themselves. No, they didn't It's what does a show where you are That's so bad. It's like it's really it's funny that ballers think that flat earthers prove the earth It has curvature. Yeah, they can't even do it themselves Can't you love us to it? Jarvis copes to it. The person that made that documentary Person that made that documentary literally said well, there were some flat earth results and some globe earth results And sure we took you out of context, but it's because we decided to make it a flat earth hit piece and be dishonest They said that themselves. Yeah, just watch the documentary folks and To completely ignore what the producer of the film said by being about being dishonest and lying Who cares what they said just watch the documentary and believe them All right. Well, let's continue on there. Mr. Monster You've been a member for over 18 months and you've asked a question We appreciate that and you said oh, no, you didn't ask a question You're just saying this is the best channel for debate. I happen to agree with you That's kind of why I wanted to be here. Hopefully everybody else agrees with me um, you know smash that like button that's always fun and uh, Give lots of love to our speakers that are out here tonight. All of their links are going to be in our description Even in the podcast Elijah Riviera Five dollars or Rivera. Sorry five dollars to the flirts. Do you think the earth is three dimensional? Uh You said nothing's two dimensional. I agree It's insane to think firefighters don't yeah The universe is flat though Yeah, which is a which is a you problem because that's called the brightness problem Which is which is a big issue for you. How did the inner density just so happen to be point zero zero zero seven d zero's Yeah, it's called the flat. It's impossible to explain I don't necessarily believe it's true. I just believe that's what the evidence is indicating Yeah, our observations show us that yeah, but it doesn't work within your cosmology Should be negative or positive curvature based on the energy density and the mathematical statistical probability of It being positive or negative then they have proposed the inflation theory which said it was current at the beginning I promise but then it just flattened out because it moved so fast Then they saw that the galaxies were way too form so they had to add the early dark energy And then they were like oh, wow that comes that actually contradicts the inflation theory of the inflaton particle that turned into everything So yeah, your cosmology is kind of weird We didn't under maybe there's different physics in the early universe Yeah, whatever whatever we but that's not god of the gaps though Well, I think we have until we exhaust all the physical explanations and I wouldn't presuppose a non physical explanation. That's typically my position when it comes to that We've already exhausted all the physical explanations. So right now for over a hundred years We've been sitting here saying I think there may be something else. We'll discover one day Yeah, I heard that that your universe is flat. I don't know so you understand it Can explain what that's the idea bro And what it is is like say the big bang says there was a singularity and then everything exploded and expanded out from there Yeah, I know I know the big bang no real fast real fast the flatness problem That the universe is flat is that if there would have to be the perfect amount of energy density Bro, we're for the respect. No need for you to repeat yourself. We have like yeah Yeah, I mean like you don't even know your religion. You can just believe it. I don't have a religion There you do I'm I'm close to buddhism You know, you believe in the big bang cosmology, but you don't know why or what it is And that's kind of it's not my area, bro. I believe whatever the scientist tells me, you know, if you want to discuss That's a religion. That's a religion software, you know, I have my materials here about how does the Ram memory stars the addresses you're You're defining religion you're defining religion differently. So Oxford encyclopedia Oxford encyclopedia not encyclopedia oxford dictionary No, oxford. I paid for the OED the oxford dictionary and I'll look it up Look, can I just pick some retard retard a retard? Here's the problem You you you said well, no, I believe it, but I trust a scientist That's what so that's what a catholic would say, right? They'd be like, well, yeah, yeah, I believe that's what the bible says I don't know why But the priests say it and they've been studying it for way longer than I have they went to college for it That that's a religion you you believe a you believe something built upon the doctrine of men void of empirical evidence You don't know exactly what you believe requires blind faith and belief and you just trust the authority That told you what to believe that that's what a religion is No, everything in science needs empirical evidence Like you can have like hypothesis to explain a data for like Everything in science needs falsifiability needs empirical evidence Science science, you know what science claims a lot of the times it isn't true You know we approve science false all the time like Expontaneous generation was proven false in the past, you know Yeah, science is just the best explanation for the stuff we have today That's the best explanation the guys that studied the universe came up with. Oh, the universe is flat. They don't know why okay I'm not I'm not challenging you that it's not my area. My area is software engineering.  I just that's not how I use religion I just said you have a belief system that you don't know what is I have beliefs I accept is true things I accept is true based on Even though you don't know what it is you accept is true and you just trust the authority figures are gonna tell you the truth And you blindly believe whatever they say even though you don't know what it is So I mean I have justification for accepting certain testimonial claims. So I have to Yeah, like I just want to say Religion is justified. It's not unjustified. I've just it is unjustified all the evidence shows the big bang cosmology is wrong Justifying in your mind The way religion is science You believe your beliefs are justified. I had my bad, right? The way religion is usually defined. It's like a Head you got it from from reconnect, you know So reconnect To like the spruity Whatever that you believe like I'm very close to zambodism that doesn't believe in souls and god doesn't believe in reincarnation Or any of that stuff, but that's an exception. You know most religions. They're about reconnecting to a lost Uh supernatural and there's nothing supernatural in science. Therefore it's a category ever to call science Well, it's actually a belief system built upon the doctrine of men void of empirical evidence that requires faith Typically regarding a deity. So it doesn't have to be about a deity Yeah Science doesn't fit what you just said science Yeah, but Is a methodology doesn't fit the big bang cosmology where you say there may be a million universes I don't know what had that been at the beginning, but I promise it was expanding from a singularity But there is no center and all this Science doesn't talk about the creation. We can just move on. It's whatever bro audience I know people that deny having any beliefs that accept scientific claims But did I have any beliefs? So yeah, but then when I asked them when I asked them about the flatness problem They say I don't know what that is, but I believe whatever the scientists say. So that's a belief So we can move on Yeah, we have a whole page of uh, super questions or super chats. So it's a super. Yeah, definitely or we can carry on the The super questions super questions Mr. Monster five dollars So I'm guessing you think that ships just sink when they dip below the horizon the moon and the sun go underwater Seems a little trolley. Don't you think? Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks that Um the science of science five dollars Ozai and how much curvature did you see in your drone video one inch one foot one mile of curvature? 20 percent of the height of the ship 1928 percent or whatever, but that's a rough like so it could be off All right The drone is moving if the drone's going up the ship is getting bigger because your angle of view is increasing It is not curvature Oh, I'll pass to address this one single time if you see what I'm sharing here You see the eye level for the horizon You see that the angle below that is smaller than the angle above it So it's going to actually the reception and propagation angles are going to drop below the Resolvability angle first because that that angle smaller with his example of the drone It's like taking this little person and moving them up as you move them up that lower angle is going to get bigger Very basic basic Indeed All right. Well, let's try to continue on from there. I'm sure we all understand where we disagree From both sides there and of all tafer two dollars What about the call in obradi? track across antarctica Does anybody know about the call in obradi track across you went across the south pole you went Yeah, they didn't actually go across the middle of the continent and back over it They just like dip inside the con a little bit and pop back up north Did not Even when you look at the map if they show you supposedly of what he did it's not It's not going across Antarctica come on buddy Oh weird that they had to lie about it. But would they lie? He crossed antarctica, but I don't think it was across the south pole However, we wanted to find the island he went He wanted to talk a little part of it Yeah, it'd be like crossing florida east to west versus north to south He just did a nice little bit and then pop back up north. That's all I did Whatever Yeah, I don't think that's what they were implying either. But yeah, let's continue on from there Pedro a gem 25 dollars betar Did you feel that the language barrier was a big issue during the debate? No, I work to the call center.  Um, yeah, it's been a great debate and uh Yeah, I wish I could speak more languages for sure. That would be probably a handy thing Yeah, study bro. Come on. Speak a language Study mandarin before they come pick us over, bro This isn't the This isn't the first time I've been hanging out with you fellas This isn't the first time I've debated guitar either and we I've never had any There's some words sometimes you ask Yeah, what's the word? The word that pops up like curvature No, I don't know the curvature Seems like none of the ballers seem to understand the question like Can we get physical tangible empirical measurement of earth curvature?  I'm an old man. All right. All right, cool Yeah, okay, I was gonna say I'm an old man too. I got two kids. So that's let's rush the wrong flies me as an old man What's the flat earth model from richie constitution? Uh, she just had a six a baby. She had six months old my wife Six months old awesome What you have a six month old you said? Yeah, congrats minor 22 21 and 19 almost 20. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I'm in my fifties. I'm the old dude. My oldest son is 20 today Happy birthday. Happy birthday. I'm 22 Well, you still have time to my nine year old daughter tomorrow, right? Hey, happy birthday. I should behave Are you still have time to figure out you still have time to figure out that Karen you look really young I wouldn't say that you have a daughter my age. Congratulations. Well, it's a son, but thank you Yes, okay. Yeah, he's he's 20 Yeah, I'm right here. Yeah. Yeah, you're preserved girl. Congrats doesn't date ball or sorry Before we start making other pitches, uh, you know debates and whatever else we're doing Let's continue on with our super chats everybody run booster bear 999 Karen When you couldn't find any earth curvature With your uh, when you couldn't find any earth curve with your team Uh, tried how were you able to walk away from the ball earth seems many can't or won't Um Um I'm not sure what basically saying he's like when you went when you went and tested the earth and you Didn't find any curvature.  Um, I was already a flat earth or because I had already Lived on the coast and grew up in california on the coast and grew up looking at ships Literally looking at ships on the horizon. So Um, when I started looking at all of it and asking the right questions, I realized. Oh, wow Earth really is not a ball. Um, but It Going out and actually doing the measurements was the best thing because It really sealed the deal. It was like, wow, it really is like all of us are here. We're all seeing the same thing It's not just me. It's not just in my head We all we're all seeing things we shouldn't see based on the size and shape that they tell us that the earth should be So that makes it easy. That's why, you know, I don't consider this a belief like, you know Somebody like the other guy would say, oh your belief this I don't have a belief dude I used to believe in the globe then I tested it and I found out it wasn't true and now I know Earth is not a globe. I don't really know what earth is But I know it's not what they tell us it is because we have tested it and every time we tested it fails That's all there is to it. So what earth is I don't know it appears to be level and stationary That's why I go with that It's just that simple. All right My pandemic side comes out about beliefs, but go ahead Belief is just something that is true Yeah, whatever man, like give us physical measure of temperature or we're gonna move on Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I was just saying we should move on just because like I said, there's It's a list Rick, right five dollars. Oh, uh ozion. Can you or ozion? Can you show me credibility? Do you have proof or evidence of how far the boat was? I still struggle to see what you were proving Thanks for your first super chat rick, right? That has the um drone went higher and more of the ship was exposed Angle of viewing all righty Well, let's continue on there's lots of conversation. I think about that particular thing there So, uh, definitely check it out. Uh, kelly on v five dollars What is the difference between magnetic north and true north implying each shape of the earth? Does it doesn't really matter to limit two minutes? Yeah, like the true north Uh, not magnetic north if I'm not mistaken. It's like the like the this Center of the earth That's true north like here like here and be explained. Okay. It has no let me let me finish I think I got this like it it generates a magnetic field. I like it. It isn't necessarily where Up north, you know, and it actually moves if I'm not mistaken. That's the difference. Yeah. Yeah, like here like here Bees got you she'll be It is 1200 miles south of the The magnetic north is about 1200 miles south Of the true north, which is the axes Of the earth There's all kinds of different south so there's actually there's three different points up there. There is the actual geocentric center Okay, true north. There's actually two magnetic poles over there One of them is moving and one of them stays relatively stationary So that's the difference and where your compass points to Is the is considered the magnetic north, right? But that is not the same as true north true north is supposedly the actual axis Okay, or where the point in which the sun goes around But the magnetic north is different from that and then you have magnetic declination Which is the difference between in degrees between the true north and the magnetic Hole that the compass is going to I think I saw the video where you were showing how to test that or whatever using An actual compass and stuff for Yeah, you can measure it. You can measure your own magnetic declination You can track the sun and you can figure it all out and you can compare it to what usgs tells you All that good stuff Now let's do it in the south. They'll accurate it. Yeah, I know the south. It doesn't work the same They're not hiding in the south Well, let's try to continue on fellas We have one from s to ben raso for 4.99. I'm not going to read it s to ben Try to be a better person Taylor b for ten dollars Usia argentina is 9,845 miles from the north pole on a flat earth This would put the distance to transverse the globe at 61,791 miles at this latitude. However, it's actually 959 miles Why I didn't fully follow it Well, I've had a question. I've I asked another flat earth proponent Why can't you circumnavigate an artica and tell us how How many miles it is People try to do it. They go like way like 60,000 miles It's illegal to go beyond 60,000 basically Follow this You can't even get within eyesight of the Antarctic coastline legally. You're not allowed to go. What do you mean? There are tourists that go there tourists you on a guided tour You can go to very specific places and guided tours under supervision But you cannot take your own boat and go sailing south of the 60th parallel and try to go storm an artica You will get stopped. It's happened before It's not what I mean like that that land doesn't belong to any country like it's international water is around You can circumnavigate No, you can't it's against the Antarctic first Somebody did it and it's 72 foot oyster yacht Cartharsis too I can't handle like this is another one of those things where you make so many flat earthers because Flat earthers say you can't freely and privately explore Antarctica There's Antarctic trees signing 1959 tons of subsequent legislation since then and as soon as you get past the city south latitude You will be monitored and then intercepted and you don't get due process according to the US government But you can go to a approved guided tours on tourist trips in a couple locations And then globers will say you can go there So then the people honest people are like wait a minute They go research what the flat earthers says sees that they're telling 100% the truth and they're like, okay I'm not gonna side with these people that just deny reality. Like you guys make flat earthers. I don't I'm not seeing to go to Antarctica. I'm seeing why don't you sail Around Antarctica and tell us how many days it takes to sail around Antarctica You mean beyond the 60th south latitude Close enough where you can see part of Antarctica and go to the 60th That's the thing you can't even get close enough the 60th You can't see Antarctica coastline from the 60th parallel 500 to 1200 miles away the 60th south latitude is up to 1200 miles away from the coast Tell us how many miles the 60th latitude is Up to 1200 miles away from the coast Okay, so how many miles around Is it to circumnavigate at the 60th latitude? I don't know when people when people actually try to do that It takes them way longer than they think they have to try to go around Antarctica Well, it doesn't matter how long it takes you calculate how how fast they travel How many days it's well, yeah, you have to be supposed to distance. Yeah, whatever By the way, my phone just died but I'm But you could calculate like wins. Yeah, you can calculate ship speed No, you can calculate ship speed. Yeah, you can calculate the knots You have to know the distance they've been doing it But they've been doing it forever Speed equals distance over time in order to be in an ocean and try to determine how fast you're going You need to know the distance and the time which you have to presuppose a specific model like the globe and know How far of a distance you travel divided by the time. It's just very basic stuff They were literally doing it for thousand using knots Actually knots on roads Here we go with this thousands of maybe not thousands of years Man, let's just move on Accurately measure it next super to speed. Yeah, yeah, let's go We've gotten a pile of them tonight So, yeah, Teo, Maguardi $5. Mr. Adio had a round uncertainty is greater than any supposed Coriolis artillery are bracketed in 100 meters Swings Coriolis is a claim only a claim Our next question was like, okay We already discussed this, okay I'm just gonna put my baller glasses on so I can answer for you. Sorry. Yes. I'm going to go to bed Awesome loss and clips $10 Friday, May 13th, 2011. Venus Mercury, Jupiter Marys Rar Rar glories The 13th alignment photo from earth at night Impossible on the heliosexual model Explain globes 30 second video on youtube. Pull it up What is in the video? What do you say? Some specific celestial positioning in the sky they're claiming is not explainable on the heliocentric model I have to see the southern cross Yeah, I have to see that for the Ozean Right, you know, it's getting really bad for the globe out here, bro Like it's it's so bad now that it's like almost embarrassing. I'm not joking. It's like Everything that you guys believe has been destroyed now You just let it go. It's like getting embarrassing like by 2025. It'll actually be like Okay, okay On the flat earth on the flat earth model, how long does it take for a radar signal to travel one radar range?  So just because I don't know is very specific type of claim some Celestial arrangement in the sky doesn't mean there isn't an explanation for it on a globe model I was just trying to give you a friendly heads up Well, I understand but I could ask you questions that you don't have the answers for Too, I I don't I just did Like like dude, but here's the deal bro the globe the positive plane we went and tested it We debunked it the earth's default position the stationary top graphical plane. We went and measured it That's just a fact people that deny it. They're a little behind the time It's okay. People still believe in the moon landing and think that bio weapons are health So Yeah, let's avoid that. I'm gonna I'm gonna start being a baller. I'll help us get to this Let's uh, let's get through these uh super chats because there are quite still a few Um, so angel our angle of elevation ten dollars canadian The pressure gradient in air is proportional to the sound vector acceleration according to jeweler's equation governing flow Gravity doesn't do that in pro waves do sound keeps you on earth not gravity sound Sounds a vibration vibrations keep us on earth not Low-key base bro low-key base because vibrational resonance is what everything is comprised of There's nothing that doesn't have an intrinsic vibration. And what is sound? It's the mediums vibration That's why you can't hear things in a vacuum because it's actually just the air vibrating So sound but more so more specifically vibrational resonance of all the mediums including the atheric background would create a downward pressure from the Energy above us basically rippling acoustic vibrational resonance down to us But that's for true thurs. It's not In a pretty base he said I don't know next I didn't I didn't say I don't know I'd say I disagree He said no, uh next Thank you Next All right, let's continue on So Taylor b um Low altitude radar demonstrates the glow model. Why do aircrafts disappear? Why do aircrafts appear they go over to curvature? That's why All right, you know that's on the other side there They get so tiny that they become indiscernible by the human eye and therefore out of sight away How dare you use basic? All right. Well, uh, let's continue on Everybody Water as far as you can hear us. No, uh, bittar. Yeah. All right. Uh, yeah, go ahead No, I I'm not trying to say anything Oh, I thought you wanted to respond. Just give me five minutes. He's currently coming around the dollars Good Not so good. Uh, these glovers make true earthers every time they speak lmao keep it up glovers I know we should almost even five minutes. It's not any question The science of science for five dollars seems like it's hard to get people to defend the globe myth Try for globe debaters for showing. Thank you for the globe debaters for showing up. Well, thank you science of science. Um Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a backhanded compliment, but we do appreciate our speakers being here this evening and I'm trying to move through these because I uh, you know a zion might have older children than I do, but I feel old. Okay, you know Feel it because my kids are going to be up so early. Tell you omega wordy two dollars Bittar. Why are you so corrupt and closed-minded? My guitar are you crying close-minded? I Don't necessarily know what you mean by spending any time with this one I I don't think I'm corrupt closed-minded.  Yeah, but that's a subjective determination of bad Yeah, what makes you who's who are you to say what ideas are bad for society? No, you're right. Good. I'm at it. It's a hundred percent Uh, uh, I think censorship is bad for society I think being told that we're tiny specks of dust and ever expanding universe of nothing. This is bad Sorry, what? Nile is basically you saying I think I think that being told we're tiny speck of dust and ever expanding universe of nothing Is bad for society. I think that experimental medicine being bioweapons but proposed is actually good for you as bad for Society, I think censorship is bad for we have differing opinions. That's why we should all be able to vocalize our differing opinions I think well, I expect you're never the one making the laws, you know Yeah, because our world would be so base pro pedophiles getting the axe. Let's just move on All right, let's move on indeed Uh, so the craw daddy oh two nine five dollars We can absolutely dismiss nonsense like the flat earth outright and make fun of it because it is demonstrated fact There is no flat earth argument. Well, thanks for your sentiment there craw daddy. We've answered so many questions We're gonna move on from these These are yeah, these are a little ad hominy. They're not really questions So we're gonna move on from them, but the craw daddy strikes twice Five dollars.  What's going on, buddy? We're trying to move on from these Theistic questions here. Um the globes of religion. We all agree. We can be one Uh Well, hopefully that's what you were looking for there, buddy. So, uh, vegas montana 777 carl the devil's younger brother 777 uh For 99 cents a pink ice cream cone. Well, I guess that's a meme. I don't know Maybe it's because I copied and pasted it vegas montana 77 dollar 99 no question Just continue on forte five dollars. Why are conspiracy theorists less analytical when tested compared to Non-conspiracy theorists any thoughts on that? What are you talking about? I've never seen that. That's just a made-up nonsense, bro. Like hey, does this IQ to do IQ tests use analytics? Like what are you talking about? I don't let's let's let's let's let's compare IQ test of conspiracy theorists to like normy mpc regurgitation machines called bots This is who has a higher IQ. Let's do let's see who per capita is more creative Let's let's do that. Yeah, who's pattern recognition.  This is a fact So we I mean that's iran Yeah, like you don't believe it. You can come hang out with us in las vegas in october this october 21st and 22nd There'll be hundreds of us bring your best globe proof We yeah, yeah, come on and see you guys will switch up so quick You'll be like you guys are cool. I'm sorry. It's so funny I want to I want to I want to talk a little bit about IQ tests like I took mine It was 111 if I'm not mistaken And like well my psychologist told me oh if you weren't so anxious it would have been high Why because every time it was being timed my I would do way worse on all the tests, you know, because some of the Yeah, because I'm anxious. So yeah, I don't I don't trust those tests to tell you how I agree Because I agree there's a lot of variables in IQ tests some people don't like like being timed But the point was like the idea that they test the analytics of the brains like no, no Like conspiracy theories are some of the smartest people in the world. I know this firsthand Like I've seen correlations between I IQ Schizophrenia and schizo and conspiracy theory beliefs.  You're pretty slick, bro Let's just move on because I don't like we could go into that, but we want I don't agree with it. All right Let's continue on because we do have a few more. Uh, it's flat and amazing That was from ominol. Thanks for your membership. We'll move on from that rick, right Bitar, I'm right. They're wrong censor them beta I didn't do that right beta. There we go beta. It's too low energy. It was too low. I can't even I can't even match Amazing I was gonna say I've got so many like awful I've got so many awful impressions I can do Jordan Peterson pretty much right on the fly, but you've heard me do that a few times there with it It's a little bit by It's a little bit like uh, I was gonna say it's a little bit like Kermit the frog But as soon as I start talking about the hierarchies and how we have to clean our room And you just need to know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I was gonna say just like get my canadian in there I promise I promise I actually created a Jordan Peterson animation Whatever On my youtube channel, it's pretty cool We came from rocks and we're super not important. We're in the middle of nowhere tucked away in the corner We're insignificant. We should be happy. Thank god. Praise science. I'm not a glober.  I'm not trying to call out anybody Sorry, I love you guys. It was a joke It's it's all good.  All right. Tell you McWherty $2 24 7 flat earth discord 2.0 If you don't want to debate 24 7 flat earth discord 2.0. Okay. I mean you can come join us in our modern day debate discord We got a flat earth section and you can find other people that are either like-minded or unlike minded And it's a lot of moderators that are slightly biased. Check us out The blinds are biased, but we don't me I heard it. I heard it is not a place. I like I don't I won't even say it You have tons of flatters I I'm I'm pretty I'm biased. I think yeah Um, you're not bad. You're not bad. I'll give you that. I told you that the last time. Oh, thank you I think I'm pretty nice. Anyways, no, it's all good. Leo crow $5 question for the ballers How does the sun supposedly maintain its axial rotation when it is supposed to be a ball of burning gas? It makes no sense Wait a second. The sun is not gas. It's still hot. It's your hot gas. It's plasma, you know, like The the atoms they don't they're separated. It's a lot of is ionized. Yeah No, but plasma is a different state of matter plasma and gas are different things Yeah, it's ionized. No plasma when you have plasma Like it's it's it's not gas. It's a different state of matter by definition physically. Okay. Yeah, okay It's not it's not burning as well. It's A fusion nuclear reactor fusion nuclear react There's no evidence for that electric sun theory can explain all the spectroscopic readings electric sun Good to have Jen on here. I think she does her opinion But it's more than she's smarter than you want at least she doesn't just freaking drown in pseudoscience next Plasma is synonymous with ionized gas. It's just into the matter. Is it? Yeah, I mean I you're right that it's it's a different state of matter, but I'm going I was gonna say when I think of plasma, I just think of playing halo. So, uh, let's continue I was gonna say I can talk about the grenades Must be the grenades like the grenades Oh, sorry. We can move on. Oh, no, just the weapons. I like the little pistol that charges up. Oh, yeah charges up. That's true. Yeah It's a good one. Anyways, I gotta behave myself here. That's all good. That's all the spaceships are spanish I don't like first person. Oh, actually, sorry I missed one from vegas montana 777 and if you get a bow and arrow minecraft OZ and that's pretty much the same thing.  All right. I prove it every time I play my Flat earth Try not to uh detract too much because uh, yeah, we'll try to get through these Explained from vegas montana 499 explain why people have witnessed 24 7 sunlight in Antarctica You can't say it's fake when everyone their experience is it. How does this work on a flat earth? No one thinks flat at 24 7 sunlight is even a problem for flatters They would be seeing the sun in the sky for 24 straight hours. It's never been adamantly and accurately documented So, yeah, we can have 24 hour sunlight using copy cup caustic very simple caustic mathematics explains it 24 hour sunlight is not a problem for flatters at all basic math and physics. We'll show you All right, let's continue on and we're going to try to keep these uh super chats for One speaker per side just because uh, we'll try to get through them here Cotserra $10 Sorry that we already read I killed earl $5 flippers. Please explain how the big dipper Asterism is not visible from as Australia and the southern cross cannot be seen from most of the usa So we'll kick it over to you first there Karen Yeah, Karen. Why can't we see Polaris from australia? Uh, because it's too far away It's so funny that we have to say such rudimentary things Um, it's too far away man perspective Uh, all righty. Um, good sir. Uh So, oh, sorry. Yep. Let's continue on. Uh, Esteban Rozzo $1.99. Whitsitt. Can you debate michael Sir, uh, sirtane for all of us? Well, whitsitt. Yeah, I Michael sirtane Michael sirtane Yeah, you just debated a sardane on cirq. Sorry on cirq. I guess Yeah, I reached out to him recently. We're talking about maybe maybe, uh I set that up for the betathon. I don't know how that's gonna work, but yeah, of course, I'll debate I'll debate anyone I don't know if you will Well, yeah, as long as he doesn't hear me call him sardanes on this channel, maybe he'll come over here Uh, I should revere $5 You can measure curvature a small circle of radius on the surface Without sender at that point and to calculate the circumference or area of the circle Should be again, he didn't say the methodology or continue Yeah, yeah, I mean you you can't just use signals alone In fact, they go far beyond the geometric horizon and even the radio horizons You're not using signals alone In any way to pick the earth being a ball if you were going to use radio signals and their propagation Efficacy you would actually come out with a planar Outcome and product. So I don't know he avoids the specifics of the methodology. That was the second time in a row. So Next All right, dr. Dino two dollars coming at you. So we'll just I'll say it and we'll just continue on another field Whitsett is incompetent and a big surprise Well, as we've established, uh, whitsett, uh Whitsett feeds off of your hatred It feeds his anger Yeah, it makes me power up I still love you man. I did I I get that you're kind of going through this kind of this in a struggle where you have to like Attack me for being the messenger, but it's all good. Karen and I are just trying to help you guys out You'll see it one day or maybe you want maybe maybe everyone's not supposed to see awesome, uh, teo meg wordy five dollars, uh Uh, uh, osean. I clearly demonstrated to the audience your ignorance about optics and consequences Of the angles your drone footage is moot. You are wrong I just agree. Okay. Thank you His answer was nah, but yeah, you you are correct super chatter The propagation reception ankles completely dunks on his alleged claim that verifies that the earth's a ball because it's basic is it Well, it doesn't seem like they want us to go. This is some of the most like this is the longest list of super chats I've had I will I guarantee you the end of them the end of them are going to be a lot more insulty Are you in the half of it at least? Yeah, yeah, we are we are getting we are almost to the end Don't worry. It's just that this is a lot and I just want to say thank you to everybody who did stay Uh here and especially you as well, but sorry because you came out of the blues So, I mean everybody else here is kind of a little more used to this and ready for it You just kind of popped in here. So thanks for that. I don't know what time it is three five dollars Aaron, did you know you were going to be here for four hours? No, I didn't know It's 140 for me, but yeah, we're almost done. It is 140 for me as well. We're in the same time zone I'm in Nova Scotia So, um osean drone tests was climate tree on stereo steroids That's from trolling for the truth.  Just climb a tree You can see further that proves yours a globe. He's basically saying that your drone was that on steroids, right? You know, I think I I think I did cap the open discussion at a good time It's just these super chats. They uh, they they pull Oh, no, dude. Yeah, you're good. You're good. I hear an horse Iron horse five dollars. It's all fun James has opened a spot for me to debate professor phil bell next week And he's too cowardly to front up and defend his Defend his fantasy ball.   Thing of all the bait iron horse unless you're scared professor phil iron horse won't bite you. He's not that bad I did it. It's cool. He's cool. He can he can get a with no talk Uh, that's all good. Tell you Mac, we're at $2. Is this a social club or a debate? This is a debate What have you been looking at? Like did you know we've been so much Destroyed the globe so much that it kind of does but I'm like a social club in a way It's kind of like you guys can get there. We got you. You know, I think it's no had arms No person in the world Yeah, it's so funny how you have to reaffirm how you won all the time. So it looks like no, no You guys didn't provide any physical measurement of earth curvature and we've been waiting for seven years So it's not really anything to reaffirm. I'm only here for the audience Yeah, you're just repeating what I just said Yeah, yeah, we'll give us physical empirical measurements of earth curvature and then we'll we'll reconcile I I debunk you. Okay. When I did under this with two objects I should step on the scale and not waive anything because As there's no electric electric like the electrons pass Yeah It's not a very good on English Yeah, it's all good, bro. I see what you're saying. I know what you're saying. You're wrong. Give me one Let's continue on so angel qualis Five dollars for the flatter. There's do you believe the center contains mount murru? I think it's awesome I Because I don't want to supposedly Magnetic mountain in the center We don't know that there actually is a magnetic mountain in the center Although in the old maps it does say that there's rupus negris l ltsima, which means the high black cliffs And it describes him as being 33 leagues tall And yada yada yada and then all of a sudden somewhere around 1500 years ago The islands and everything disappeared off the map, but we still do have our two magnetic points But they don't they're not in the same place Because they're traveling magnetic points. This is why I you know I'm not necessarily sure that there is a a magnetic mountain in the center That's above the surface maybe below the surface because there's certain types of minerals that have a natural magnetic field like magnetite and such Bits possible, but I don't know or or Karen. What do you think maybe like it? It's like Above the surface, but it moves around like Like when cammy showed me where like the quadrupole was like over the four magnets And then they put that piece of like magnetite over top of it And it was just like levitating above it and kind of moving around. I don't know It's floaty. Maybe it's floaty Maybe it's what we don't know. We don't know It's a trap It's a trap to try to get us to sound crazy because the truth is that this earth we live on is way more amazing and incredible than we were told and People aren't ready for the gravy People aren't ready for the gravy. All right. Well, let's continue on. We got a couple more here to go Just hold on a second here I tried to copy and paste the other ones here. I just think it's so weird that like a verse I think it's so weird you believe in a flat earth and Yeah, I think I could see the same shit over and over again. All right. All right, full story, bro Well, let's continue on angel quail says what is the best bible verse affirming the flat earth Oh man, I don't know the earth takes shape like clay pressed under a cell the earth is stationary and movable and fixed on pillars That's a firm that's stretched out strongest bronze. It's infiltratable and we're grasshopper inhabitants within it There's a few of them, you know, you know, there's like hundreds of them So it happens above the founds the deeper below That doesn't prove it. You can go ahead and save that strawman about the firmament being hammered out like like glass No, I don't I don't adhere to labels of religions, but you know, it's so funny, man What I was going to say is what I find very funny Never do we get physical empirical measurement of earth curvature? And it seems as if the ballers don't comprehend that that's the entire reason we're here That's the crux of the whole issue They claim the earth's a ball we should physically measure curvature a specific geometric location That's tangible and we do not it isn't there and they've changed the excuses for the last seven years Oh, we never see the curvature now They'll just keep changing it and like every debate we do It's never addressed and it seems like people can just ignore it Like they don't understand that that's like the entire debate summed up in one point And if there isn't physical tangible curvature of the earth that's consistent with the radius value the entire model's wrong That's why we know you guys believe in something that isn't true. You guys should maybe understand that All right, let's kick this one over to you again Elijah Riviera actually. Yeah, sorry. Yeah Let's try to kick it over to you Karen. What is the incentive this we were already asked this kind of Elijah Riviera two dollars What's the incentive to cover up flat earth and we'll let you expand on that for uh up to two minutes there Karen Well, uh, I like to say it's just because if they lie to you about where you live and where you are And you literally have no connection to the creation or the creator Then it just opens up the door for them to be able to lie to you about everything else Because you have no compass. You have no connection. You don't know nothing Your your your whole belief system is based on lies. So what is more lies on top of it? That's what it is. All right. Why does anybody lie for control?  Most Christians believe in a globe so it doesn't seem to detract them from believing most Christians are religiously brainwashed individuals Most people are well. We got our first super chat here. This is from um No, let's see. I'm really gonna Get you on there on your super chat there taeo. McGreity taeo. McGreity. I'll just read you super chat now said can we go fund me For some reading lessons for ryan um, I mean Maybe some punctuation lessons for you, but yeah, send me money anytime you want anybody I think he's funny. That's fine Yeah, you should be a flat earth or though. I don't know what you're doing Okay Punctuation's key. Um, you can even play guitar dude your way to your way to creative would be a baller. I don't know man I was just saying you don't know where I stand on all this stuff now That's true. You're way too good on the guitar to be like I hard baller I got a friend that plays guitar. He's a flat earther. He's been playing guitar for a long time For a band called Dephtones. Have you ever heard me sing though? It's the little band. There's a little band called Dephtones All right, so let's continue on Uh, so uh, and rick's source Five dollars. Look up what scientists mean when they say space is flat They don't mean space is flat like a pancake. It means space has no curvature over long distance Yeah, we know it's called the flatness problem. It's called the flatness problem, bro It means that it has a specific parallel depth all the way out of the flatness problem It doesn't have positive or negative curvature, which is expected if there was actually in a singularity that expanded out And it has to be point zero zero zero seventy zero's That close to zero zero point zero seventy zero's One that close to zero to explain why it's so flat or would be positive or negative curvature No one can explain it statistically and mathematically impossible They call it the flatness problem the fine tuning problem That's the actual point that there's no way to explain the energy disney Into your requirement statistically for it to be flat. It should be positively or negatively curved But it's not Who cares? All right From uh Anarchy so does anybody have any thoughts on that you can say something there Yeah, like, uh, that's why I didn't engage much in that topic You know, I don't know much about big bank cosmology.  I know that I don't know nothing about Big bank cosmology It's cool. Do the do the equation for the earth's curvature, which is 1.225 times the square root of the surface height of feet Should be where the geometric horizon is to see if you can help us find the curve of the earth We've been looking for like seven eight years, and it's literally non-existent probably And it just really is talking about a different shape of the universe too is like we don't actually know Yeah, you know, we know it's not what all right, let's carry on We're let's carry on from there. Uh, we're almost to the end of this here Uh, taeum agwerty once again says ryan my dots and uh, tately's cost money lol Well, yeah Maybe if I keep calling you out, you'll keep sending it and then I'll get a few tips. Who knows Hey, you never know what's gonna happen there All right, taeum agwerty. Once again, uh, twitch join 24 7 a flat earth debate Flat earth discord 2.0. I will set up a debate between you and witsett paying i a Ardent when you get there. So this taeum somebody somebody, you know Uh, witsett maybe Yes, no, I mean they say they can set you up with a debate. So I mean Yeah, if they're if they're on 24 7. Yeah, I mean, no, yeah, I don't I don't I didn't hear the name. I don't remember All right. Yeah Well, their name in here was uh, taeum agwerty Mega wurty. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah I've been saying that is like, yeah one one full name. So anyways, awesome. Oh, you had misidentified them And there's a civil lawsuit for bigotry, but we'll let you slide this down Raw man. Oh, thank you Oh, oh, man. Well, I guess I was gonna cry. All right. Awesome. Lawson krips 10 dollars didn't answer my question about the rare friday 13th Alignment globes. How can we see venus and mercury and jupiter and mara's at night in a photo? In a photo in a photo impossible That's that's the part that was screwing me up impossible In the your brain was centric model explain please The brain was reading that like next word as you were pronouncing out of here You're making the claim it's impossible. I the answer is going to be the same it was last time I don't know your specific question the answer to the specific question. Oh, you just you just have a religion, brother I I accept things are true. Yes I assume that But that I didn't accept that was true or false. I never said it was about to help teach you your belief Go ahead. I think that question was in reference to the inner planets The two planets closest to the sun from earth, right? That's a mercury and what's the other one? Mars or venus, which one's which one is it venus venus and always forget. Sorry Right. So a mercury and venus, but they're on the inside, right? So why are we if they're on the day side of earth? Why are we seeing those planets at nighttime? Why are we able to see the outside planets that they mentioned like Jupiter at the same time? Yeah, at the same time as inside I don't have the answer Oh That's okay I said that the first time second time. It's all good The truth is that your model is mathematically and physically impossible in like a million ways Okay, no, I I know it's not impossible because I know there is an answer for this question. I don't know the answer Sprinkle a little magical They're not god god done it. There you go. It's a better answer than what they say Not what I would be. Yes Once again, I'm gonna get uh seo's Comments out of the way towards me.  I'm sorry. I I knew somebody Who's french whose name was teo and that's how they spelled it. So I just assumed but uh Yeah, don't bother me on that tyler 432 20 the sun destroys the entire globe model What do you think about they were asking if the sun if the sun is yeah They're asking you if the sun is gas or plasma. How does it maintain axial rotation? How does it maintain extra rotation? Yeah, yeah I don't see how the two things relate Well, you would actually need some mass to actually cause the gravity well With enough density to cause the axial rotation within the gravity well He's saying if it's a if it's gas or plasma, how is it maintaining axial rotation? well mass gas and plasma Have mass. What do you mean? Yeah, I mean I understand in your your uh, your position would just be like, yeah, I promise it would Plasma maybe kind of saves you, but it's not the same as material causing the gravity well distribution. So I kind of see at their point as well The real problem with the sun is beyond that Based on it's based on what's called. Um solar seismology or helio seismology Uh, which debunks supposed Seismology solar seismology. You mean like Yeah, tremors on the earth Yeah, yeah, like they they they claim to be able to research the vibrational output of the sun The helio seismology doesn't match the elemental composition and all they can explain with the yeah, like, you know spectroscopy Which helps give us the elemental composition all they can explain with the electric sun Look, I get it man. This is this is I don't have time You Are you saying that the sun causes earthquakes? No, it's just it's the study of the vibrations within the sun. It's called helio seismology. That's like, oh, okay All right, let's continue on nominal five dollars. How do we see the same constellations while facing the opposite direction in space every six months Thoughts on that panel well The equatorial stars do change throughout the year Um, I'm all I'm all out of uh baller life jack I'm not a cosmologist Oh, you're not even trying anymore, dude I'm like four hours past my bedtime. So it's all good bro. I just admit that you have a religion I just want to know how gases can gel in a vacuum in the first place Usually when you let gas release gas in a vacuum it fills the space, but somehow in space the gas giants congealed and Turned into a ball If we're gonna express gravity exists. Well, can we have an experiment to prove that? having dish But how does prove that gas can be with all the gas little gas particles spread out in in space Where does it gravity? Cavendish proves that gravity will come together into a ball in a vacuum. Yes Cavendish proves that gravity Gas come together in a vacuum. Yeah, because once once you establish that matters full matter All you got to do after that is Is do the basic logic just make that basic Leap in logic right exactly Let's look at our finishes point there Once you establish that mass attracts mass, you know that there's a vector from you know mass pulling mass all you got to do then is if you have a A big cloud of gas, which is how stars are born is do the vector add up the vectors So you you do a mathematical model when you have the the big cloud Of gas, which is how stars are born We can actually observe that in the sky and then you do the simulation with all the vectors adding up and they become stars Like it's really easy. Yeah, because actually we don't observe anything like that in the sky I don't know why you said that and actually when you add the kinetic velocity of gas See the equilibrium in a vacuum of flying second law of thermal dynamics That would be way stronger than any downward acceleration bias could possibly cause any coalescing of gas into a sphere because Again, the second law of thermal dynamics rain supreme. So we can move on that the answer is no You can't provide experimental evidence for it's a story. You believe The creation account void of evidence that you believe as other people in lab cults told you like priesthood Twice in the well, I thought you were going to engage inflation Dude poisoning the well was preemptively discrediting your opponent to a to an audience. I didn't do that Okay, okay. It's literally just adding up vectors. That's all you got to do Okay, it's like it's a simple simulation adding up vectors Yes, it proves that gas is congealed in a vacuum to form a planet. Yes Yes, what's the vector? What's the vector of gas in a vacuum? What's the vector of gas in a vacuum? No, okay You just said add a vectors. What's the magnitude of gas seeking equilibrium in a vacuum? Okay, the the magnitude of the vectors are going to vary as as gravity pulls them together because gravity You know as the radius decreases the the the magnitude of the vector increases to the square of that So the vector is actually going to be variable and it's going to pull the mass together Until the the point that the vector is so big that it causes it to to uh nuclear fusion and of course the the planets what happens to the planets is that we don't have enough gravity to keep the The the hydrogen in and what's the hydrogen gas? Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. This is so Let me finish. Let me finish Hydrogen escapes from the earth because we don't have enough gravity to keep the They're in you know, it reaches escape velocity. The earth is losing hydrogen like every Every day and and and then what we're left with is just the metalicity, you know, like those clouds have metalicity Which is all the rest except the the hydrogen is that it's how you identify Which uh cloud does this star come from you look at the metallic of the star Hi, bro. We'll buy we'll buy a science fiction. I want to hear the rest No, it's not science fiction. You you can literally do this math like physicists do this math all day Math does not dictate reality Exactly math describes reality. Why are you talking about? Yeah, yeah math also can describe Superman flying math doesn't prove things We want physical demonstrations. You're making claims antithetical physics. It's the pillar. Oh my god. I'm getting dumber Can we can we wrap this up next super jet? Don't worry, bro Yeah, okay, so everyone watch just I just type the pressure the pillars of creation Which is a nebulous cloud that is exactly what i'm talking about Which is like stars being born out of that cloud. That's you assuming what's happening DM us the rest, bro We're seeing what's happening bro. We see that in the sky. I am sorry We we got three more questions to go and uh, I do want to let uh, uh, uzi and ozayan, um, all the other names that I can Try to wrap all those syllables around. Uh, we do want to we do want to let everybody go here soon because We've gone on from where we're at 1 a.m. Leo crow from dot Leo crow five dollars regardless of what the sun is plasma or gas How does it maintain its axial rotation? You guys didn't even answer it Basically just said like oh it has mass. I should be able to do how does the sun maintain its Axial Please ask three times you must want an answer. He's openly admitting that like his belief It means that if an object is already moving Adapts as he types it in google like that is his new belief What is my what is my algorithm update? I'm not claiming it as a belief. He's asking a scientific question. I don't have to answer to All right, better than veteran don't want to let him. He got trouble to let him in I'm gonna start rapping bro. Let's get out and look it up if he wants to What do we got left? Well, let's uh, we got two yep. Yep 499 the year is 2031 scientific science officially proves the earth is flat What do you do the next day? So I think they're asking like what what is this really going to impact on your day-to-day at the end of the discussion I will show that all these all these countries are working Should all the countries are working together if the earth is a geocentric stationary flame first in the middle It changes a ton philosophically shows we need to come together and demand that we are able to freely and privately explore the world that we live in together And uh the fact that we have to fight the other slaves to be like, hey, let's be able to freely explore is super weird If you have to ask what it would change then you haven't even actually been honest enough with yourself To look at the conversation seriously Yeah, I think a fundamental human race should be freedom to travel wherever we want to Including Antarctica anywhere When science proves Yeah, go ahead. All right, bro. Sounds good. Well, I was gonna say, uh, we've had plenty uh Plenty of closing thoughts as far as the q&a goes So I do uh, I've read off these last few super chats here, but we're we're not going to get any input here just because There's not really a whole lot of conversation But there are some compliments. What's it for the win? I'm now a flat earther from Stephen McCool reacts for two dollars Stephen McCool once again says for two dollars a glober is why be closed minded drones try waking up Those are a little ad hominy. So we're going to move on and also we've had such a long conversation Stephen, I'm trying to go just you behave in that live chat Yeah, exactly. We want to go to bed here. Uh, at least this was entertaining any globe curve from tayo Uh from enslaved by truth two dollars research toilet bowl earth Yes, and while you're at it research that the earth is a bag of bread as I made james say on Air many years ago when I first uh did a super chat and then I never did it again. All right It just came over here to work Stephen McCool reacts for five dollars the more globers have to defend their position the more convoluted it becomes Why do we have to make up so many theories to prove what we see? um Well, uh, Steve and I would say uh review the debate here because we've gotten a little over time There's I think plenty of discussion here between these These people here to uh flesh out what they think on this subject Um, so I hope everybody had a good time. Thank you. Uh, Karen and uh, wits it uh, the tar and uh, OZM for coming out here tonight And we appreciate you guys and we'll see you next time. Okay All right. I love thank you Bye Stay flat I'm making weird. Bye. You're baller