So welcome to the documentation office hours. It's the 26th of April, 2021, and we're doing office hours for Asia and Australia today. This is great. Thank you very much. So here's what I've got as possible topics. We've got the she code Africa contribute on running we're in the very last week of it. And then I just received today the search report from the Jenkins plug insight that may give us some insights in terms of documentation. Are there other topics that you would like to add on to our agenda. Yeah, I'm a little bit sick. And so, so the car you're reminding me I should have the decency of making this big enough for human beings to actually read it. Sorry about that. Yeah, terrible. Yeah, and so the car are there any specific topics you would like to like to discuss so I know we've got, I guess one that's on my list is contributor summit. So we're coming up June 25 with the CD con conference. So if you're not registered for that so we should, we should talk about that. Sorry to the car and here I am interrupting anything else you would like to put on the agenda. No, the only item I wanted to check was I was interested in the Google season of talks project. Okay, and are you. So, if would I get reviewers, if I decide to. I am willing to do it on my own time. So, I would okay. All right, well so let's, we certainly can spend time discussing that I would love to discuss it. Let's talk about it. So, Mark. And so the car. All right, go ahead. I missed that said, could you say that again. Sure. So I was wondering that we can have a really, really brief discussion about documentation related to jasks. Okay. Great. All right. Good topic. Any other topics. Do we want to revisit the issue of the steps documentation we've gotten some with she code Africa but I think we've still got a problem in that area do we want to talk about our future. Yeah, that's, that's okay that's a very good one let me, let's pipeline steps improvements how about if we put it that way mag and then we'll, we'll talk strategy about it show it with Sudhakar and Dirac here here both it's good to have extra that's advised to look at it and, and give inputs. Good. Okay. Any other topics. No, that's it from my side. Okay, good. All right so Sudhakar you had mentioned. So we had, we had proposed the Jenkins project proposed a Google summer of docs, or Google season of docs project. Yeah. But it was, was not accepted. They only accepted 30 projects this year, and we were not one of them. And so we're doing a retrospective now to try to understand what we could have done better to do a better job, however, there's still an opportunity for us to consider. So the project definition is still there. Yeah, right. It's available, and it's Jenkins on Kubernetes. Yeah. And so that's that's certainly very interesting for for us to get further documentation for Jenkins on Kubernetes. I think your question was, are we willing to review pull requests. Yes, absolutely. We're willing to review pull requests. Now, if the second question is, is the Jenkins project ready to fund a writer to do the writing. The answer there is yes potentially in the future. So we're willing to review pull requests immediately. Okay. And when I say in the future is the project willing to fund documentation development, something like, like GSOD would have been and the answer is, yes, the governance board has has been has been willing to consider that. Okay. The problem is our mentors are are loaded right now with Google season of code or Google summer of code. And that will continue until September. So the likely time when a funded development effort would be is probably not until September at the earliest. For me, that's okay, I can start and maybe by that time I'll finish it, but funding is not a real need for me at this time. Okay, all that I need is pull request review, like for example, right, I will do an initial outline as to how I will approach it. And then maybe in another one or two submissions, I'll finish the submission. And that would that would be absolutely exceptional so we've actually got a, let me give the, this is my rough draft that you, you are welcome to consider as as just a rough draft and see hey what would what could we do instead of that. My rough draft came in this Google season of docs 2021 application. Oh, no, no, hasn't been merged yet shame on me. Okay, so let's go look at the pull request that's proposed to include it. Or maybe, maybe I can find it. No, that's not it. Okay, just a minute, I'll find it, I promise. It is right here. Jenkins.io, the pull request hasn't been reviewed and merged yet so it is this one. And included in it is a detailed document about proposing an outline for the for for the whole thing. So, so let me embed this link. And if I can find it, I will also embed this the page is actually already there I just have to find it in the navigation so just, if we give it just a minute. And we need some projects Google season of dog or something. Yeah, here we go documentation season of docs. Let's go find it here. It's got to be this one I think is it. Yes, there it is okay so here is my, my poor and just so you're clear so the car poor attempted an outline of the kinds of things that we should we should have covered and be warned that as a, as a as a contributor. So the worst of all possible people to suggest what is the best way to describe Jenkins on Kubernetes. I don't have enough Kubernetes experience to be a good one so this is a great opportunity for somebody to come in with much better proposals than I would offer. Yeah, I, yeah I have taught the cloud computing and systems for that and it takes for graduate students. Oh, wonderful. Oh, so you have you have real world experience. That would be absolutely exceptional. Yeah, so yeah. Okay, so I'll take that outline and start off. But I just wanted a calm, a comment and a question basically the approach would be to describe it how to install using mini cube. And most of the features of Jenkins. Right and yes, and then, and then provide links for the different cloud provider platforms. I think that is, that is an excellent approach, and I can give you links to, to the existing materials what we've got now. Last year we did a Google season of docs project that started this. And so we've got installing Jenkins on Kubernetes. Yeah. But, and what it has is. Yeah, let's see it has mini cube. Any cube. I think it has helm charts. Yeah. And it's got one other variant that I don't recall let's see oh YAML files right or two others YAML files and Jenkins operator. So, okay. And and those. And Jenkins operator. And of course Jenkins operator is an active project for for this year as a proposed project for Google's summer of code and so this one will likely get some attention. YAML charts are actively being developed. YAML files, not so much charts. So yes, absolutely that's that's there and then we had an additional section that was added that is incomplete, but has been published and is available under scaling Jenkins on Kubernetes. Okay. Yeah, just one other question. So now we have Jenkins X, right, that is being also being pushed. So what is the motivation for documenting Jenkins on Kubernetes. So, so there are many, many use cases that Jenkins Jenkins X is intensely focused solely on Kubernetes. And on delivering micro service based things into cloud native environments. And that means there are many, many use cases that Jenkins X just can't do on the flip side there are many, many things in the cloud native world that Jenkins doesn't do as well as Jenkins X does. One is a horizontal, broad application Jenkins and the other one is a very intensely focused vertical application Jenkins X. So they each sort of have their own sweet spot for where they, where they fit and there are many, many users running Jenkins on Kubernetes because they need to be able to deploy to what you might call classic environments where they're running on Kubernetes for elasticity, but they need to be able to still deploy back to virtual machines or they need to be able to deliver code that's built on Windows and as an application or builds for an iPhone or for a, an Android phone. Okay, yeah. Okay, so, yeah, I agree Jenkins is kind of a canned solution for Kubernetes Jenkins X. Right. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. I do be needed. Oh, that's all I had. Excellent. Well, thank you that's great looking forward to that to the car. Thank you very much. That's really wonderful. Yes, thank you. All right, so next topic then was jcask plug in documentation so do you want to give us some insights on what brings you to the question and share with us some of your insights. Sure. So, am I audible. Hello. Yes, yes, yes. So, while working with jcask, I started just few weeks back and I was trying to understand how it works. And I searched the internet to understand what's the logic behind it and I was able to find many, many blogs. And each of the blogs was describing like how you generate a YAML file and how to upload that YAML file to Jenkins and how you can just magically see that everything is being done with the help of that YAML file. And all is good for all of those kinds of blogs, but from a person who wants to contribute to jcask, I think blogs need to cover something more than that. For example, they also need to tell us like it might be really great if they can tell us as well like how things are working inside at the class level. Like how the YAML is being passed and each of the identification level data is being taken and being put into Jenkins and how Jenkins is using that and configuring itself. At that level, I'm more interested in. Now, the question is why am I interested in that level? Because if I as a contributor knows how the changes in YAML files are going to reflect in the Jenkins at the class level, then I'd be a better contributor. I can contribute to this plugin really well and it would be really great like the contribution level for this plugin would be increased from even from college students as well. Not be restricted to someone who just knows lots of has lots of experience in coding. That's what I was aiming for. Yes, because we don't have the for official documentation, not counting blogs for jcask is the read me in the repo right mark. That's that's correct so make already highlights a very good point that that so let's let's identify some of the weaknesses that currently exist right. So dear as noted one developer documentation. The other is there is no documentation for jcask on www.jankins.io right it's or almost none I think it's just blogs. Not docs, you know, not a not a manual that talks about it. And so so that's already and then you noted developer documentation is mostly inside the plugin source code. And that's that's not a not not always conducive to a first time developer. We do have, we do have a get our chat channel dedicated to jcask. It doesn't fit. Okay. There we go. Okay. And we have a special interest group for jcask. And so that one I could link you to it as well. If we can find that configuration as code here we go. And now lately though the configuration is code special interest group meetings have not been happening. There wasn't a significant sufficient interest amongst developers were actively working in so that those are two places though that you whoops that you could certainly ask. Go ahead make. Oh back to weaknesses. Maybe I'm just too much of a writer nerd but I would once we get jcask documented well, I would like to have it sort of integrated into the regular Jenkins configuration. So when you're when we're telling them how to do this and how to do that. You know I don't know what the thought I had I don't know if I think of it when I got in there, but to say you could do this with jcask instead. Right, good point where because ultimately what I want to do is configure my Jenkins I don't care about the tools I want to configure right yeah exactly. Yeah to the extent that I've looked at I've only looked at it a little bit, but I almost feel like we need reference material or something because if I'm used to the gooey I see these nice long English sentences, do you want this or that. And then when I look at the cat the jcask files. It's all this cryptic annotation. And I will say that most of the time I can kind of guess what it is but it's not crystal clear it seems to me that we need some reference somewhere that says, you know this is the equivalent of the English or whatever. Dear us do you have do you have suggestions in terms of what you would recommend is how we approach it. Yes, so as just mentioned by make if I understand correctly, we are looking for a reference for a Jamel file when we're configuring a plugin, let's say, right. Yes. So I was looking through the people of jgas and I found out that they have a demo folder in which they have added the example configuration of some plugins, not all some plugins. So if you click there are many plugins there and if you just let's say click on get. And under that there is a Jamel file and it shows what you need to include in your main Jenkins dot Jamel file in order to include this get plugin there. So it's like an example for user who just is very new to get plugin copy and paste it. But the problem here is that not all the plugins are covered there. There is some contributions needed from students or developers, because there are so many plugins and I think in that demo there are around maybe 3040 plugins only presents. So yes, if we are able to include more and more plugin demos in that, then that would be great. Like for anyone just go there on that demo folder and just copy the Jamel configuration and just get to know how it works. Wonderful. Well I would say almost anything that you do which move us forward on this this is, I mean it's a hot new feature that everybody's excited about and then you want documentation it's like oh well go look at the read me in the repo. Yes exactly. And I was my second part of the question was that the same thing like if I can contribute to write a documentation as per I definitely need to learn a lot because I just found out about it few weeks ago but I would love to make it more simplified in the form of a documentation. Like the way you think. So would that be a good idea for me to take up this because I don't have like expertise on this but I can ask a question on get a channel and get to know how it works. Right, which might actually revive some interest I mean we've got, you know the same might get active again even if there's somebody. I think they sort of got it implemented and now it's sort of gone dormant right it. I don't know mark are they working on additional features for it or is it pretty much feature complete. Or, we don't even know. Mark you're muted if you're speaking. There, my mistake. Okay, so yes the, this is a great time to add, add examples. So, so dirage. The, the examples look like they are in the form of read me files with specific example code inside the read me. And for example, while we have get lab. What we don't have is a get lab branch source. jcasc example and so get lab branch sources of is quite a popular plugin. That's not here I guess another way you so my thought was how do you decide which things, which example to do next. You may say, I'll use plugins that I've got installed. You might say I'll do things based on the, the count of installations of the plugin. So, then you could look at the plugin installation counts to give you a guess. Hey, I should do this one next or I should do that one next. That sounds like a great opportunity. Thanks very much for your interest. Okay. Yeah, so that's, that would be a great benefit to the community. Now, now we might, I wonder if we ought to then as a future future idea as you develop more demos. Consider automatically copying those demos to www Jenkins.io so that they can be found by the to be found by more common users. I mean, because it's it's already got these things are represented as read me's right they are readable files and you can put. Yeah, look at that. Oh, that's if you go to the Kubernetes plugin, you'll be able to see multiple files in it as well. Okay, so, so if we look at you said Kubernetes. Yes. Oh yes, look okay look at this. Oh my. Good. Okay, so, so lots of ways that that these could be useful. Okay, this is what this is is this is showing how did what a Kubernetes config map looks like that has the configuration is code definition inside of it. Nice. Okay, and this one's even using job DSL. Wow, very impressive. I actually asked two questions yesterday on get a channel of jgas. The first one was that how do you decide which plugin demo you want to put up next on this demo folder? Like, how do you decide the priority? So, Tim actually answered me and said that we actually ideally need if we have as many plugin demos, that's great. But we go by the popular ones first. So that's the way forward. I think so we can start looking at the most popular ones if they are not documented here in this demo folder that we can add their configuration. Now, then I second question I asked to him was that how do you actually, I think this is a very big question. But for me, I had really I had doubt that how do we generate a YAML file for a particular plugin to add it into this demo folder? Then he told me that you need to just configure it on your Jenkins with the help of the UI and then download the YAML file from that jgas. You can actually export your configuration after you've done configuring in the UI. Now, when you export it, you get the very, very big YAML file and out of that you can just extract the YAML, which was automatically written there as you were just configuring it in the UI. Now that extracted YAML is what you need to put in the demo folder. So the problem I think here is that how do you decide what should be in that demo? Like if we take example of I think job view plugin, so it gives us many, many options to add lots of filters. Now if I want to add a demo of that plugin into this demo folder, like there's so many parameters, how do I decide which one I want to put in? So I have to do lots and lots of configuration. Where do I stop? Where do I draw the line? Like this is enough for a demo folder. Then Tim's resisted me that you need to just configure it as like it is sufficient as much. Just configure it that much. So last thing I want, I know I've been speaking for a long time. Last thing I want to add is that these demo examples in this repository, I don't think they can be meant as the best way to know how to configure a plugin. Because if I add job PSS YAML into this demo folder by just playing with few filters, a user will come here and see that they actually have a YAML file for job view plugin. I can actually use that. But they will not be able to understand all the parameters because I as a contributor only dealt with just two or three filters. So this is not the go to destination as of now for people to know about how to configure a particular plugin. That's the point I'm trying to make. So, I'm sorry for speaking so long. Oh, you were great. I wonder if we might consider our experience with pipeline steps as an illustration of the kind of thing that you were just describing. So what we've seen is that with the pipeline steps documentation users often what we have is we have incomplete but accurate but correct material and it's incomplete in the sense that it gives the name of the argument but does not tell what the argument does or what it doesn't do. And what we've found is that users are grateful for that because at least it tells them oh this is what I have to do, but they want something more exhaustive. And what we found is the best way to get them something more thorough is to tell them to use the snippet generator for pipeline or in in the case of jcast to tell them to configure it from the user interface and then use export to do that. So, so now, Durush, have you had some experience with jcast because I could quickly bring it up for you and show you an export of a of a production sized instance if that will help. Yes, definitely. Okay, so, so here's my Jenkins server that I have running. So this is, this is a Jenkins instance, a controller that I have running that I use for tests it's got several thousand job definitions folders credentials, all sorts of things like that. So if I go to manage Jenkins, and then configuration as code. When I show view configuration, it will compute the current configuration and show me all sorts of things that are the samples of this thing so what right now what we're looking at is the encrypted credentials of these things. So we've got all sorts of other components, we'll get through the credentials here in a little bit. There we go. So now a bunch of labels that are defined on this one, the agent protocol definition which protocols are supported the authorization strategy, all here, and each of these I think as an example of the kind of fragment you were describing. So here's a tool definition for, let's see, let's find a tool definition. Here we go. Here are some agents that I have so some nodes, and it's saying this node has this IP address. And it is this computer name, etc. So, so here are your fragments. And what you do is copy that or save it to disk. The other thing we can do is just download the configuration. And now I can load it into my text editor like this. Oops, let's load it into the text editor like that. And there it is. And now I have ready to go all sorts of things that I can do with these. I can turn it into fragments just by deleting pieces of it. Does, does that, does that help with what Tim was describing in terms of view the configuration and download it. Yes, that actually makes sense to me. But that's, that's quite similar in terms of experience to the thing we get when we use pipeline syntax where we have the same kind of experience where I do something with it. Prepare this thing. And then when I click generate pipeline script here is the script that I would paste into my pipeline. And the same kind of thing as the, the same concept is applied in configuration as code, I can generate these fragments like that. Now, if you'd like to see examples of fragments of that here is another in case it helps you. Again, whoops, GitHub. Let's look on my GitHub, just a minute, because I've got a repository where I have a number of things that I track this Docker LFS repository under its LTS with plugins branch has some, some interesting JCASC example here so here is Jenkins.yaml and this is my, my JCASC definition that I'm using. And there, there are things like this all over right so there's nothing particularly special about this one. It's, but, but the concept is there. Yes. So it is a movie scheme generator for all these features. Good good question so is there a schema generator, and the answer is there really isn't because the, the JCASC is JCASC. What, what would you call them the data structure is defined by introspection of the Jenkins Java classes. Okay, okay. So it looks at the plugin class hierarchy and, and extract certain things out of that out of those classes and uses introspection to do it. Okay, okay. Yeah, very good question. Do you have anything else that you wanted us to be sure we all go ahead. Yeah, if you look back at all these shrink wrap products right until the first decade of the century. We used to do a lot of schema generation using tools. Right, right. And, and well, it's, it's a hint actually that computers have gotten so much faster that we don't even have to do schema generation will pay the penalty of doing schema generation live continuously. It's like wow really I am wasting that much processing power to do live schema generation all the time. Yes, actually, we're looking at the code inside of it, looking at having it look at itself and decide what the schema should be. Yeah, yeah. All right. So, anything else on on Jenkins configuration is code. I was wondering if you can tell me, like, you have written that how to decide what to include in a demo of a specific plugin. So you have written that configure in an interesting way and then save that right. Can you please tell me like the what how do you define an interesting in this case. So there, the, if it's, I think the definition of interesting is if it's interesting to you that makes it interesting. If, if you say, oh, I'm not sure what interesting means, you could look at other other locations for for ideas for instance, the CI that Jenkins.io configuration is interesting. And it's interesting because it's large, and it handles many, many things. There are other configurations like it. And since I think the machine release.ci dot Jenkins.io is now being tracked by by configuration is code. I don't know if you have access to read that configuration is code because it contains some sensitive information like the code signing keys, but, but those two, this one will tell you the interesting configuration of a Jenkins controller and others. Let's see, and I think my marks Docker LFS LTS with plugins is interesting, though, not. It contains no credentials, right it contains no secrets, no sensitive information. And so keeping sensitive information is an important topic so I did did that answer your question. Great. Excellent. Okay, so next topic then Meg you had asked about pipeline steps improvements. So for for benefit of Sudakar and dirage. You okay Meg if we first do a let's look at how bad it is. And then talk about where we're going next. Right. Or we could talk about what's happened with she codes with the contribute on. Yeah, which would you prefer we could do I don't care I'm good either way. Okay so I'm gonna I'm going to do a two minute overview of how bad things are oops. And then we'll talk about to about the steps we're taking to improve things. So Jenkins the Jenkins pipeline domain specific language is defined dynamically by the plugins that are installed in the current Jenkins installation. So here we also present a summary of all plugins and the pipeline steps that they implement in this pipeline steps reference. So this is, this is the set of all all plugins that provide any pipeline implementation, and only a subset of these are installed on any particular users computer but they are some subset is installed. Yeah, and this is an auto generated doc. Right, absolutely. And and it shows. So let's show how it shows what it means to have an auto generated doc and a doc that has been that is is the output of programmer written documentation. We love developers we really do but sometimes they don't write documentation much. Let's see if we can find here it is pipeline build step. Okay, so this one gives a reasonable description here of what what's the job parameter. Now what about and what does propagate mean and what does this mean, and oops, no description of what weight means. And if we start expanding things here, it gets gets much worse so let's say, what about get parameter. Oh, it takes a name and a value but that's it. No description of what the name means how it's used what the value is. What about a file same thing what about date parameter oh it's got a name of value in a description.  Oh, wow, if you're, if you're using the Jenkins pipeline and this where your only source of information about how to use it. You are very very in a very bad way. Right it's this is this is not going to help you. But this makes it actually quite easy to use the pipeline. I just choose the thing I want and it generates the syntax for me. And getting frequent complaints from users that they were apparently reading this page without knowing that they could use the snippet generator. Yeah. And they just didn't know and so what we've been doing is having a team of writers in in West Africa. They're actually writing hints to people on these kinds of pages that says, please use the snippet generator. Although even there there's stuff like the one you were just looking at it's like name of project. Well, is that the display name for the project or the name I gave when I said create new item. Right. Even there some of that is not. And so the snippet generator doesn't tell me everything. Right. And, and there's plenty to be improved in. I don't know what's under the question mark. Yeah, but there's plenty to be improved in this right that is absolutely plenty to be improved about about what this is. Yeah, so now okay now make back to the, our top. We should we talked about pipeline steps improvement right. Great. I had a question. Basically, if jcasc gets widely deployed is the pipeline functionality visibility that much less critical. I actually they're they're quite distinct from each other. So, Jay, jcasc does the configuration of global and system level definitions of Jenkins things like which, which authentication method should we use. Okay, etc. But what's my LDAP server, those kind of things. I mean, it will remember the credentials for my GitHub server or for, but what it does not do is define the code that should be executed while running a pipeline, and that really needs Jenkins pipeline. So, so that distinction is is the is the subtlety there. Yeah, yeah. Okay, got that. Okay, jcasc. Yeah, excellent figures the environment for Jenkins. Exactly. It truly is my mental model for it is is just configuration. It's not execution, right, it gets the initial conditions set and then steps aside. Okay. Yeah, thanks. So now in terms of of persuading people to use the snippet generator. One of the things that we've gone after was something like this as an idea. Oops, let's just do get maybe that's what it is. So I get for editing the URL shame on me. Okay. This is not even the right page right this one was the, the idea we had was should we try something like this where we embed a link to a video into the page in hopes that some portion of the users will click the link and go to the video. So watch. And this case it says this is a 90 second video clip. Watch it on how you use pipeline syntax. Now the hint is, it's only existed for. Let's see, so March, April, May, just approaching three months and it already has 1500 views. So it's it's not been ignored. And so there's some hint that this video technique might actually be be helping some people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pipeline connector will be very useful, given that every project. Right. Yeah, I agree. Now Meg, that's, that's me blathering, which, which pieces of pipeline steps improvements that you want to highlight. Well, I'm just thinking, I mean what the sheet we had the sheet coders had a couple of steps of plugins and I think we decided to not have. They were high priority ones, but they were so complicated. We couldn't figure things out and we gave them something more. So we still got that. We're going to find more people who want to keep working on this. I see what you're asking so that's, that's a that's maybe that's worth highlighting here in this session that have not yet been touched right have not yet been touched to improve their documentation. And so for example, what we did with she called Africa is we generated a pivot table of which plugins had the most complaints. Now this is a this is an awkward kind of pivot table right this is, this is not the thing you say oh everybody's happy about it it's rather which things cause the most complaining. And here is this table that shows the most complained about plug in was the build step with 86 complaints of those 86 only one said the documentation was very helpful. Every other one was worse than very helpful. The second on the list was the SCM step. Check out. And again, not a single vote for very helpful. So obviously we've got lots of things that we can do to improve this. So make was that was that sort of addressing your question because I think you still got. Yeah that we've got stuff hanging over where I mean it's a resourcing project I guess and for open source. Yeah, and it's really documentation of their parameters. Great. And they're let's see over there. What do you call it their steps, parameters and return values. Yeah, and code examples, calling sequence. Oh right right. And they need examples. The most frequent request in the feedback on the documentation is give me examples of pipeline. And it's the same question that dirage was asking with regard to configuration is code right. How do I write a good example that will satisfy a significant portion of the users when I don't know what their arguments or the arguments are most important to them. Right. Right. So we'll aside what I don't know if we want to put this, the possibility of putting a check in for when changes are made to a plugin that has steps to at least ping them that there's nothing in your HTML directory or something. I suppose we can tell we can tell whether it's useful or not but we could, and we probably can't bust them now start busting them now let's not let them, but we can at least put out a warning that this is not does not seem to be documented. Oh right right okay that's, that's for instance we could automate a test that asserts plugin steps have documentation. Right. We could automate it that plugin steps have, have a symbol defined. Yeah, good. Okay. I mean, I think there may be a certain number of plugin developers who don't realize that they're supposed to do that. Right, right, I think you're correct. They would be willing if we would just tell them hey you know that you're missing documentation for this this and this. Right, and then tell them how to do it. It's not be instantly obvious okay. Great. And, and those comments are under she code Africa not pipeline steps improvements. Right, right I was just going to delete that. So I think I think because for me at least well which which makes more sense to you make do you want those moved up. Oh I don't know it's up to you. I don't know like that because I was just say, I'm just curious what we're doing to wind down she code Africa. We got a leg was quite insistent on slack last night that we should begin the, the winding down process yes so most of our Monday meeting went to that which is probably good like did it so. And so one more thing that you and I need to do so mentors will need to grade the, the participants. And it's basically pass fail to decide if we recommend that they should be paid the $500 stipend or not. Okay. And what I've got is mark has the action item to extract mark to extract summarize. Results to date for others and then invite comments from other mentors. The idea being that let's let's have just one of us do a legwork of reading through the documents deciding how far did they reach how many pull requests, etc. And then what about a summary of things. So you mentioned something about sending out a survey before the Monday meeting, we I think you were talking or the Friday meeting. And I wonder with the steam very I don't know that this group is going to be comfortable in a meeting to speak up and say, you could have done this better and you could have done that better. Oh, right and in fact the retrospective has already been sent. Right. Okay, good. And then these got issues that we can talk about we can say, you know, right and it's not. So let me see if I can find it really quickly here because retro retro. Because if I link to it then Jenkins. Looks like I'll have to look for it further. It's been sent by Oleg and oh actually, I take it back I know right where it is Meg. It's right at the bottom of this document. Oh yes, because that's where you took notes last night so it's all the way down here, here's the retrospective. And I've started filling in some comments from me Oleg put some from him, and we hope that the students will insert their comments as well. And that's what I'm wondering if an anonymous survey. To send out to the mentor to the to the she coders. I think some of them are going to be very uncomfortable saying negative things. Right, and, and I'm, I'm not sure how to how to resolve that because even an anonymous survey. We only have a sample size of five. It's, it's, it's not not going to be anonymous no matter what. Right and we can but we don't what I'm what I'm thinking you know is it would tell us if, you know, if all of them say something about the same thing we can talk about it at least you know. Right. It's just another it's another way to get feedback. It feels less intimidating than putting my name on a document or saying something in a meeting. Okay, yeah. I don't have a survey planned. I'm, for me, surveys are very difficult to create. If you are, if you think it would help. I'm, and you're willing to do it I would love to try the experiment in my case. I'm just going to go with the retro retrospective and then we'll ask questions in the meeting. And yeah, maybe they and maybe the good because I think I mean it would be the question is getting information from them about how we could have helped them better. And, you know, so if we put enough of the, you know, problems that we saw there, then we, you know, then they're, they can either agree with us that it was a problem or they have to disagree with us that no no that wasn't a problem so. Right. Yeah, and I like that because that way they they share with us well it wasn't a problem for me. And one of them may say oh but it was a problem for me. Yes. Right, right. Good. Good. Okay, we've, we've only got three minutes left. There was, I'd propose we just briefly touch the last two topics and call ourselves done. Sounds good to me. Okay, so the search report from the Jenkins plug in site looks like. Where is it. I just received it today. And that's why I was so so charmed by it. Nope, I don't see it now in my list I should have. Oh, nope, I don't have it. So, plug in search. Now. Oh, here we go. I'll go the usage. This is now this is from two weeks ago here I'll show it. So you can see so this highlights our total usage. Ah, here we go and this is what I wanted to see is open up the Algolia dashboard. So because we're using Algolia as this open source as an open as a their open source program. It lets us take a look at how things are going on people who are searching the plug inside. And so we can see oh hey we're down here. I've got to look at the. So we're. Yeah, so conversion rates not terribly helpful but there we go one hint at 10% no results so one in 10 queries to the plug in site generates no results and if we look at this. The top searches without results are right here TFS, check style, PMD and of those three, these two actually have plugins that implement them. But they're not named PMD or check style. So, so there's something we need to improve there in terms of our aliasing or our synonyms to say, okay check style should be a synonym for the warnings next generation plug in PMD should be a synonym for the next, the warnings next generation plug in. Great. Okay. Thank you very much to everyone much appreciated. I think that covers the topics that we had for today. Right, and you guys are ready to start work then you have everything you need to do what you need to do. Yeah, this is a darker. I do but I have a question. Is there a website or something where I should look at getting started for technical writers for Jenkins project to understand the tools used. Yes, yes, there is absolutely so let me, if it's okay with you Sudak, let's go to. And this will be available in the recording as well if you need to refer back to it. So the GitHub actually first thing is, when you see a page. The simplest way to find where that page is maintained is usually down at the bottom of the page. There is an improve this page hyperlink. Okay. And so if I click that improve this page hyperlink. It takes me into the GitHub repository for that page. So, so there's the first of seeing Oh, here's a page now how do I do it. Now, now the general how do I contribute. Here's this contributing dot a doc that gives you an outline of what it means to contribute what are the, you know, as a newcomer what do I need to do how do I communicate with people. What do I run, how do I, how do I build the site locally so that I can see how it looks, those kind of things. Okay. Are you familiar with ASCII. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay good. Yeah, I heard about it but I haven't used. I've done a little bit of markdown and stuff like that. So, yeah, yeah, it's you if you've done markdown this will be feel very comfortable. It's, yes, it's slightly different than markdown but it's it's just a markup language. Okay. Yeah. And since this Kubernetes thing is a and Jenkins are kind of a overview topic. Can I use you mark as the point of contact or should I still yes. Okay, thank you. Now, with with the caveat that you're, you're asking question of someone who is not an expert but I know a lot of people who are experts. So, so I apologize. Evangelist right so that's why I'm asking you. Right, right, so the source of information. Yeah, I've seen a couple of your videos so yeah. And also there is the Gitter channel. Right. Okay. All right, any other topics we need to discuss. I'm good. Okay, thanks everybody recording should be available in probably an hour, if it's not available in an hour it will be 12 or 14 hours before I post it, because it's time for me to get some sleep. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, thanks for staying out. Thanks everybody. See you next week. Good day. Bye.


Anybody with a mental illness who happens to be wheelchair bound, and it's not just wheelchair bound, you have to have no medical problems. If you have medical problems, you're in the medical side. Lieutenant Dan wouldn't have been that. Lieutenant Dan would never have been admitted into a psychiatric hospital because he has the misfortune of being in a wheelchair.  Why are your hands all over that pipe there? Because I like holding my pipe. Getting a little too comfortable with that mic there. Hey, we'll go back to our Steve with our excerpt, of course. I'm Rick. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, for more juicy content. Thank you to everybody who supports us on Patreon. Thank you. Follow us on official Twitter accounts. Subscribe to the likes because it's loose, like your mom. Oh wow. Hey, do you know what I discovered? Cool. You know what Sumitra Chatterjee's favorite kind of bread is? What? Rye. Probably. Today we're doing a movie review. Obviously, if you've got Rick's joke there. Yep. And we are doing another... It's true. It's true. The 1974, one of his later works, sonar kella. White boy. How'd you say it? Come on now. Sonu kilo. We'll assign it. No, no, there's no the kit. The ah sound is correct. But whenever there's, it's not just the O sounds, but instead of it being sonar, the S O has a sh sound to it. So it's sonar. Sonar color. There's no co, it's sonar kella. The golden fortress. The megalios. For breakfast. Obviously directed and... Yes, written from a novel. From a novel by such a rye composed by, as he likes to do. Such a rye starring his muse. I suppose. I guess so. He just, he really loves it. They love to work together. Absolutely. Sumitra, Chatterjee? Yeah. And obviously quite a few other people, but he's... Yeah, a lot of G's in there. Yeah, Banerjee, a lot of... Chatterjee. Chatterjee. Yeah, a couple of Banerjee's, a couple of Chatterjee's. Actually five Chatterjee's. No, there's one, two, three, four, five. Yep. There's a lot of Chatterjee's. It's wonderful if you're driving or walking around Kulkata, you look and you see... You do that a lot? A lot of G's. What's that G? Yep. Is that your joke or is that somebody else's? You just made that up. No, I didn't. I didn't say that. At this very moment, me? What up G? Yeah. For the Chatterjee? No, that one's actually... That's not good enough to be a dad joke. Or a grandpa joke. Compared to what you usually say. Mine are glorious and gold. Literally everybody hates them. So, obviously this is going to be 100% spoiler. It came out in 1970 fuller. So if you watch it, please go watch it and come back. Obviously this is going to be 100% spoiler for you. We saw it on Amazon. Yeah, it's on Amazon. So you can check. Well, that's not necessarily true. Oh yeah, it's on Amazon. On Amazon through Erosnow. Through Erosnow. I also thought I saw it somewhere else. So you might be able to find it in a few places. Especially in India, it might be available at other places. Rick, your initial thoughts of... Your thoughts of the movie? I really liked it. And you have to have a little caveat to it. Because it's not your typical Satya Jit Rai film. It's very... I went into it with the thought in my mind. And Drani is wonderful because she... Did you watch it with him? Yeah, she was excited that I was going to watch it. She's obviously seen it before. I went into it with the thought that it's going to be a mystery thriller. Yeah. It is that. More mystery. It's actually... It's more family mystery. Not really thriller. No, it's more... It feels more like... It's not a good example. I'm just talking about the feel of it in terms of story. And how accessible it is to all audiences. I went in thinking this might be a dark movie. Because we've seen some dark stuff from Satya Jit Rai. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's more spy kids than it is. As far as the family accessibility. It's a weird comparison. It's a weird comparison. But it does have an accessibility that any age could really watch it. Probably a better example than spy kids. Well, spy kids is a mystery. I don't know if you've watched it recently. No, but it... It doesn't really hold up. It's a mystery. And it's for family. So this is more that than it is. It is actually very... Because I enjoyed it as well. Yeah. It's not my favorite, but I definitely enjoyed it, for sure. It's... Because there's so many that I think are just... Oh, yeah. In terms of the big city, the... Is it the hero? The hero. I enjoyed it as well.  Yeah, the whole opiutrilogy obviously. Really, really hard to rank his work because they're all pretty darn solid to great. Yeah. But when you talk about, for example, big city and hero, those are, for me, just head and shoulders. Obviously, a poo as well. Yeah. Those are head and shoulders above in terms of the artistry and the kind of film that you... That I refer to as Elevative. Not that this wasn't a good film. It's a very good film. It's a very interesting story. And it's funny, I felt that it also...  Just it's this nice, slow, consistent... Is there a difference? Yeah, slow burn actually incorporates the flame, whereas the ember... There's no flames. It's just a nice glow embering. Yeah. So I like it. I did too. But it was actually kind of interesting because it was so different really from his normal works. Yeah.  He probably wants to make different kinds of things. Yeah. And obviously a lot of his work has been very different from everything else he's done except for the poo trilogy. Yeah. One singular story basically. Yeah. But it shows his range of being able to do different kinds of stories. This one had a lot of quirky characters in it that I enjoyed. And then obviously his muse and Sumitri Shatterjee. Yeah. Who is just always so... I can see why he wants to work with them all the time. He's always so just natural and grounded. I see him having thoughts and it seems like he's listening. He's just a fun actor to watch work. Yeah, I agree. And he... They're like the original like Leo and Scorsese. Yeah. They just always want to work together. Or Johnny and Tim Burton. Or De Niro and Scorsese. Yeah. But yeah, he definitely has a great presence on screen. And you always could tell that he was probably the most intelligent one in the entire room. Oh yeah. So he gave off that vibe as the character. And like I said, he wasn't indicating or anything. You could always tell he was processing what was being told to him. And so he's a very good actor. So it's no shock that he... Once again, I thought he did a very good job in this. His character was quite interesting. And the whole concept itself is... Because it's very Indian-Hindu concept of... Absolutely. This kid is acting strangely and now... Okay, so he's reincarnated from another life. And then obviously people find out that there might be some treasure involved. Right. There's different... It's very intriguing the story. Because it's not a story that really happens here.  You switch with whoever. You don't really have this reincarnation element usually in Western stories too much. Typically not, no. And you do a lot in Indian cinema. But I thought it was a unique... Especially for 1974. 74? Is that when it came out? Yeah. 1974, when it came out, I thought the concept of... It just started off. He's waking up at the middle of the night. He thinks it's somebody else. Drawing pictures. Drawing pictures. And I was like, okay, I'm intrigued at that concept right there. Right. So it drawed you in immediately. And then I guess the slow ember after that... It was definitely a slower paced film at times. And it's smart, wonderful. Don't know the intentionality, but the 90 minute runtime helps the... It doesn't drag because everything is pretty concise. Not 90 minutes. It's two hours. Oh, sorry, it felt like 90 minutes. It really did. It felt like 90 minutes. But I think that's a rise staple. I can't say any of his films are fast paced films. Not at all. That's his specialty. You expect that. You expect going into that. He's gonna... Yeah, you're gonna just sit and be in a lot of respects. A lot of the other supporting characters were really... And I thought the kid did very good. He wasn't the one they kind of leaned on for the performance or anything. No. But the other characters like the author and then obviously the two goons. There was a lot of just interesting dynamics going on. I thought they all did very good. I liked how weird he was. His introduction was funny to me. I agree. When he was introduced on the train and he was just really full of himself. He wants to talk about himself. It was Fuhuda Chatterjee. Did I who plays him? No, no, no. I was gonna say Sumitra Chatterjee's character, Fuhuda, is... I thought to myself, you're a patient man. You're really...  Very Indian. Yes, very. But yeah, that whole scene was quite funny because he was just going on and on and on. Yes. And I was like, I would not. I would leave in this scenario. I am not as kind. One of the things I also appreciated was a couple staples for Satyajit Rai. The first one is, man, it's just so Bengali. He wants to show you the cigarettes. He loves cigarettes so much. Oh yeah. Like most Bengali men and women.  And then the other staple is how much he knows about the world. So the whole understanding the differentiation between how a camel gets their water, that there are no wolves in Africa, those kinds of things were not just intriguing on an adult level, but I think they would be pretty wonderful for a kid. If you're watching this with a little one who's able to understand it, just language-wise and everything, be able to say, is that true? Ask mom and dad, are there wolves in Africa? I thought that was great. Yeah. What did you come away with the thinking of the overall? Like messaging? Messaging of the film was. I felt like the messaging was subtle compared to a lot of Satyajit Rai's films that typically have a very important message in them. I felt like the message in this was, while it was still an important message, I didn't think it was as strong a message. The primary thing being a very subtle wink at the dead end of materialism, the dead end of pure capitalism, which is represented in the guy's wanting to kidnap the kid because it's a golden temple versus the motives that are more pure from the doctor and the detective and the dad of just wanting to find out and not making any judgments, which I think is another staple of Satyajit Rai. He has this really great tendency to tell you things that have objective reality and truth in them that are universal and non-negotiable and then also remain open and teachable. And I felt like that was the main takeaway for me was that juxtaposition of the goons being the materialistic, capitalistic dimwits and the other ones were the more enlightened, more intelligent, more accepting and caring people. Yeah, and obviously like I said, this is a very Indian story with the reincarnation or whether, I don't know if it's actually reincarnation, but kind of. I think he left it pretty open to whether or not it was or it wasn't.  Like is it, they just, this person who was in this little boy kind of just wanted to see the fortress again and have that part of a story end. Right.  Correct. Either way, he knew stuff that he couldn't know. Yeah. And the other thing that I found an actual powerful messaging is, and I don't know how intentional it was in the book, those of you who know his writings and what he said about the story, he was far more heartbroken at seeing the crumbled remains of an artifact that's of high value than the goons were of finding out there was no treasure. Again, that was that comparative of this boy is just wanting to be connected to the roots of his past, which how many people want to be connected to the true roots and then how many people are there that want to capitalize and only see the monetary value of those things. And for him, I thought that was a really wonderful moment. I gave him the closure, I guess, because it ends with him saying, I'm ready to go back to Kolkata, which meant, I'm not just ready to go back to Kolkata. I don't need to draw my pictures anymore. Yeah. And so that was, like I said, it's a very Indian or Hindu story that I feel like a lot of them can really connect to with that element because if you have like a reincarnation story here, unless you're obviously Hindu, you probably don't connect too much with reincarnation stories. Yeah. It's not a common... Obviously we know about it just because Hinduism is a very popular religion in the world and everybody I think knows the concept of reincarnation, but it's not really a part of everyone's daily life. Most people don't believe that, at least in America, here obviously because your primary religions are Christianity and... What was the other one? Christianity, Judaism, Islam. Islam. Yeah. Islam doesn't do reincarnation. No, my understanding... I do not believe that Islam has reincarnation as part of their belief system. Let me know if that's wrong, obviously. But yeah, I enjoyed the concept because it was just so different. And on Sachit Rai's score, which I thought was actually more subtle than a lot of his... It didn't have... There wasn't much score. Yeah, there wasn't a lot. And it didn't have like the... It wasn't a village, so maybe that's like his signature like flute kind of thing that I love so much that it's like very Sachit Rai. And a lot of things cinematography-wise that you take for granted nowadays, but even something that seems as simple as the shot when they're going up to the fort and he pushes the doctor off the edge, that was a steep incline that they had to stabilize the camera for. And that was not... They're, you know, those were big heavy-duty things you had to hold and steady and shots in the car and shots on the camels. Those weren't easy shots to do back in the day. No, definitely not. And I also really liked another message, the boy and the detective. There was really only two places that mattered to them. Kolkata and the Golden Palace. Yeah, the Golden Palace. And for everybody else, we didn't really know much about their origin or any sense that they had a home. So that was the other takeaway is that the people who were the protagonists as it were, what mattered to them was home. Yeah. Home was important. Home in Kolkata, home in India. That's the symbolism, obviously, and the way that the peacock is treated at the end by the criminal versus the boy who's always treasured the peacock. That too is messaging, I think, as well to people who would be Indian and recognize that there are two different kinds of people, people who are lovers of their motherland and want to preserve everything that matters and those who just don't care and want to make money off it. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it as I do almost all. I'm not even sure if there's a film that I didn't like. There's only been one for me that just, it didn't really, I didn't dislike it as much as it just didn't do much for me. I forgot the name of it. The one with the woman in Kolkata. We had a lot of people rank that one. Yeah. I know. That's just the way it felt for me. I have a little top 10 list here. See, because obviously I want to know which one we should first. We'll get to other Bengalis. That's the music room. The music room. I love the music room. I really enjoyed that one. That's one of the other ones, right? That's the one you didn't like. The music room wasn't that the... That's one with the old man. Right. Yes. The hero. The hero. Love the hero. The goddess, I don't believe. We have not seen. Debbie, we have not seen that. The stranger. The stranger's great. That's a great one. That one's so good. The big city. Big city. I love that. All of the opu. That might be my number one. They have something different at number one. What? Why is it Jimmy? I don't know. Did Jimmy write this? Days and nights in the forest. We haven't seen that one. Why is... Why... Because all the other ones had... All the other ones had a thumbnail that is from a Saatchi to Rai film. On this article. The number one in this article is a picture of... Jimmy and Buddy Meister. Yeah. Yeah. Days and nights. Or is that Distant Thunder? Wait a minute. The story. Four friends who leave the big city for a trip to Tribal Village and they grapple with the responsibilities and the wants that push them away. I don't think we've seen that. I don't think so either. So Days and Nights in the Forest from 1970. I know Saatchi at Rai and I think it's one of its first films and it's not easily available. It has a horror film. What is it called? Hold on. Like I've tried to find... Gimmie Gimmie. Munihara. Is it Munihara? Saatchi to Rai's Soul Horror Film. Okay. Let's do it. I want it. I don't think I've been able to like find it though. Anywhere. Is it a full movie? 53 Minutes? Really? Is that it? Not subbed. DVD maybe? Off Amazon? Is it only 53 Minutes? That's crazy. It's not showing me. So if anybody knows or if you've seen it, if it's worth a watch it because obviously Saatchi at Rai and Horror, that'd be cool. Yeah. So please let us know about that. What should be the next Saatchi at Rai film that we watch? What should be the next non-Saatchi at Rai Bengali film that we should watch obviously? We've gotten through a lot of his movies. I'm sure he still has quite a few that we obviously that number one on that list we haven't gotten to yet. Correct. And obviously this horror one. So please let us know what each of those should be. What did you think of this film and what should be the next film we watch? Down below.


Welcome back to my channel and welcome to this week's cleaning video I put out a cleaning video every week and sometimes twice a week And most of the time I do my entire House that was my goal for this day because as you will see My house was the biggest mess that I think it's been in a while It was in extreme need of clean But I wanted to let you know that I'm actually clapping up with one of my besties and I'll let her introduce herself Hey guys My name is Lexi I just thought I would come on here and introduce myself really quick to you Addy and I have been friends for a very long time since we were kids actually and She recently moved down to North Carolina as you guys know to be closer to us this area We have been through thick and thin together and are really like soul sisters I know some of you have seen me on her channel before and May not know that I have a channel of my own. I am a mom of two a business owner a wife. I'd love to vlog Do some cleaning and organizing home decorating all of that fun stuff I am gonna also do an entire house clean a disaster house clean my house really needed it So after you're done with Addy's video if you want to pop on over to my channel and check it out I would love it if you would come subscribe join the family and I'll see you guys in that video Bye. So like Lexi said if you guys click on the link in the description box when you're done watching this video You will get double motivation today because she's cleaning her whole house and you also love her style her decorating Taste is different than mine, but I think it's so cute All right, so this is a very realistic Extreme whatever you want to call it style cleaning video because I don't know what happened this week you guys I think it was just we were so busy and the house just got turned upside down as you're gonna see but I did a lot of just kind of going through and picking up this day and Just putting things where they belonged vacuuming. I didn't do any kind of crazy deep cleaning or other things but my main focus was the floors and also the laundry room was really messy and dirty because my husband had Cleaned out kind of the inside of part of the dryer. So there was lint all over all that good stuff So I just kind of had to make sure that I got everything out from between the washer and dryer all of that Does anyone else feel like that their family just kind of explodes when they walk in the door? so the day before this we had been gone all day and Obviously, this is what happened when we came home. Everything does have a place So I just had to put it all away and the girls do put their stuff away themselves once in a while But whenever I'm in cleaning mode, I just do everything myself so I can zip through it as fast as possible You guys are getting the realest of real of life a Chip bag on the floor a pack of toilet paper on the table This oh my goodness I was so happy when this was all done because it was just getting to be to the point where I couldn't stand it anymore I had gotten my groceries the day before this and so I used some boxes I get my groceries at the store called Aldi and I grabbed boxes that they had extra just to put my groceries in so my Daughters were playing with them. The dishes didn't get done the night before There was just stuff everywhere Someone recently made a comment about these chairs that they never really thought about the fact that none of them match But a fun fact is the one with the heart on it was actually my childhood chair For a little table that my grandfather made me and I no longer have the table But I have the chair that went with it and now my little girls use it every single day All right, let's talk about this method heavy degreaser I think I've been mentioning it for the last maybe four weeks But it seriously is so worth it if you guys order from Grove, which I've done for like about the last two years You can definitely get it from them if you've never tried Grove You can hit the link in the description box and you get a bunch of free stuff They just basically are a great website to get a lot of natural cleaners and stuff But this degreaser does such a good job another question I've gotten recently is how I keep my Glass top stove clean and there might be people out there that really disagree with this But I've had more than one glass top stove I've used them for years and I use a flat razor and actually just kind of go over it It never has scratched it And it's just done a really good job at getting all of the grime off from the burners So there's your little tip That's what I do and it really eliminates having to do a bunch of scrubbing on the top of it And in some sense I think it might save it from getting scratched as long as you hold the razor flat and just you know Scrape at what is stuck on the top of the stove Somebody recently had put a comment on one of my cleaning videos asking If my dishes get clean because I pack my little dishwasher so full and yes They do this dishwasher is so old But it's one of those that like it has lasted forever and it does such a good job It's really loud. It's not quiet at all But I think because the water pressure is so good and it just sprays and does its thing It cleans everything perfectly and I pretty much never have dishes that come out dirty after It's ran its cycle There are a lot of days that I run my dishwasher more than once But this day I just wanted the whole house clean like it was such a mess And I wanted it all cleaned up So I just went ahead and hand washed a few dishes But I do put my like frying pan in the dishwasher Which by the way this frying pan I will link below you can get it on amazon But the brand is called blue diamond and they work so well. They're non-toxic You can even use metal spatulas and things like that on it And it is non-stick and it's amazing and also to top it all off They're really inexpensive my mom and my sister-in-law actually told me about it and I'm so glad I got one But like I said, I'll link it below if you guys are looking for an inexpensive frying pan That's non-stick and also Not toxic. I know you guys have been hearing me mention it here and there in my vlogs and things But I'm collecting decor right now to do my spring decor Um, I actually am in that doing two videos of it, but I'm so excited I'm bringing a very different twist To my decor, um getting out of my neutral zone, you know, how much I love my neutrals and things But I'm bringing in kind of a little bit of a different Slayer and I think you guys are gonna like it I'm really excited for you to see it and I'm excited to enjoy it as the warmer weather comes on If you guys are cleaning along with me, maybe you're getting to the point of mopping And maybe you're using this mop I know that you guys buy so many of these mops off of the link in my description box from amazon I think last week 11 of you bought this mop Um, but I love it so much. It's like literally the best I think most of the people I know also use this mop My mom uses it and it's really sturdy heavy duty There's other spin mop brands out there, but they fall apart. I've seen them fall apart Um, but this one's really really sturdy and has lasted me a really long time So I just had to fix our little piping thing that holds the cords for our tv But one little hack that I did with these they come with a sticky red tape that you put behind them when you order them from amazon But I actually used the velcro command strips because then if they are bumped or anything They're not going to pull the paint off the wall Nothing like that and I can actually just pop them right back on one of the kids had hit it And I can just easily snap it back in place Also, if you see me talking my husband was standing in the kitchen and we were just talking I'm not talking to myself. I promise Okay, so this was actually at a different time That I tackled the bedrooms, but as you can see real life real mess Um, I had done a try on on my instagram stories this week And so I had clothes and shoes out from that Just everything was dumped all together and needed to be put in its place Okay, so I have to tell you guys and I might be letting a little bit of a cat out of the bag But lexie if you guys go check out her channel, you're gonna really love it But she is also starting a new business with woodworking her and her husband own a tree cutting business And she is actually making me some bedside stands and they're gonna look so good in here. I'm so excited So you guys will have to stay tuned for that because I'm actually gonna do a bedroom refresh Probably in the next few weeks And so that will be along with that and then of course she'll be opening up her shop So if you guys love handmade furniture or things that just kind of have their own unique twist You're gonna really love checking that out The kids rooms are always the worst when the rest of the house is a mess, right guys But they did help me and they're also very good at helping to clean up whenever we're all working together Which I think is one of the best ways to parent right leading by example And so I try to help them sometimes they do it on their own Um, but I just feel like sometimes I can teach them how to do it faster and better if we're working together So they were helping me put things where they belonged And put clothes in the hamper all of that good stuff All right, so I got a little interrupted in my filming whenever I was cleaning their room My husband came home and so this is what it looks like whenever it's all picked up And then this is my other daughter's room this week. Um, I did get pretty much the entire house cleaned I did not film me cleaning my bathrooms this week But that is normally a part of my entire house cleans that I put out every single week So this is my youngest daughter's room and in her closet We actually keep all of the toys Because they're three girls and the other closet is kind of big in the other girls room We put all of the clothes in that one and then all of the toys in this one Also, isn't that just the classic sticker stuck to the bottom of the foot there going on? Anyhow Kailia she is such a great little helper. She's the one that's putting a lot of the toys away here And she's always so willing to jump in especially with dishes. That's been her thing lately She likes to help me put the silverware away and just anything I'm doing. She likes to be there wherever I'm at Anyways guys, thanks so much for watching. 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