Now you can follow me on all of my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. In 2010 I became Luke Mitchell's lawyer, because I had access to the 36 boxes I think it is, the criminal defence papers. I've never come across one, say the evidence, James, that links Luke Mitchell to the killing of Jodie. Nothing. This could be possibly the biggest miscarried injustice Scotland's ever seen. Five weeks before Jodie was murdered, he was sectioned for beating Jodie.  Two men, 300 yards away, never were I looking for her. Why? Luke Mitchell just walked right to the vien and climbed over. y cydnall ac ystod yn sylw�� yn ddylai. Mae gwrs wedi bod ni wedi'i creu y fan, yn ddiddorol, ac yn ddiddorol, mae'r ddiddorol yn ddifaradau i gaeliaethau yn y ddiddorol, mae'n cyfanyddio nhw. Rymell hi'n ddim yn ddigonio ar y man o'r blwymau nad yng nghymru yna? Rwy'n ddim yn gwych o'r panom hefyd, mae'n ddiddorol. Rwy'n ddiddorol o'r panom hefyd, mae'r ddifaradau i ddim yn ddigonio ar gyfer yr ymlaen. Ac ydyn ni gwerthwyr wedi cael ei gyntaf ar y wneud yma'r gwahanol. Ond dyna'n adeiladau, dydyn ni wedi'n adeiladau'n adeiladau, dyna y ffordd i'r hynny'n daid y gweithio. Ychydig yn ilofi'r anhyfnod yw'r gwahanol, ac ydych chi'n ei cyffredd gan yr anhyfnod â'r tyfi? Felly mae dyna ar gyfer yr anhyfnod yng Nghymru a'r y家f. Mae yna'r dda'n ar hyn y cyfrifiad yma. gyda chlynyddoedd gyda chi'n bwysig gael yr amser? Mae gennym yn cobl yn gwneud ar y dyfodol! Shoddi Jonjf! Mae'r ganel sydd wedi ei wneud hon, gan cyda chi eisiau felly rhaid, rhai mae'n rhaid i'r ymgyrch. Fy daf parech Shodo-John! Mynd i'r ymgyrch ymddangos! Felly mae'n gallu ar gyflwyn. Rydych chi'n dechrau i'r ympanydd ac mae'n creu ei dechrau! Rai'n gallu lle! Ychydig yn ychydig chi ddodod Jonjf? Fy nhw, Ychydig. Felly dy'r rhai mewn gwéidio ymchwil, rydyn ni wedi'u wedi ei fod yn gweld yw Scott Forbes. Dwi'n gweithio'r peth. Fel hynny'n jedi dod i'w hyffredig, rydyn ni wedi'i fyddfa'r paintings mae genny'n mynd i newid yn positon a yn ysgrif wedi'i gweld, rydym yn oed o'r pobl yma ar y voy Caddonial? Nid oed, yn ymweld i chi'n burntysió i fynd o gyllideb sydd ymweliadau yr ysgrif fyddfa'r fyddfa'r fyddfa'n amser draw. maen nhw'n gwybod yr adeilad y gallwn' ardal i'w'r adeilad chwarae yn fawr mewn yr adeilad yn bwysig ac mae wedi i'w mas gweithio i'n cael ei bwysig i ddim gweithio i'r adeilad. Yn tu'n ymlaen those, maen nhw'n gwylwch,令odd bawb yn gallu bari! Nawr, gan y rhan oherwydd yr adeilad o'r adeilad, ond mor angen iawn o ran hynny, mae'r adeilad achos hynny'n gwisio'r adeilad I'm very well James, hi very well. Joe Steele, can I mention you Joe? Joe, you can. I met Joe in 1993 in Seahall in Salkton. He'd been up in Perth prison with a very close friend of mine, Norrie Alexander. So I met Joe, he's a fresh-faced man in the big glasses, right? And I was on the football field the night he escaped.  Went back into prison, you can imagine five guys escaping through a hole in a fence. And that's why he gave me the funniest night ever. People online talk about Joe Steele's speaking about Luke Mitchell and they think Joe Steele is an intellectual. How can he say he's innocent? What? Joe Steele's got an insight into prison and into human nature like most people will never have. So for Joe Steele to come and say Luke Mitchell's innocent, it's something he should be listening to in my opinion. Detractors, Monty Rubbish, Joe Steele, me personally, when I saw that podcast, I thought Joe Steele's speaking, speaks volumes. Me personally, that's what in my opinion. Joe Steele's saying, Luke Mitchell never killed that when you get out, speaks volumes for me.  I've no got a doubt about that either. Listen, he's a wee weird boy, what you're saying. His mother is quite weird, but you don't know if she was weird before or after his pressure, or after it. And I understand why the police may be targeting him. But his 17 years have been involved in this as a boy for the street, first and foremost. And then in 2010, I became Luke Mitchell's lawyer. So I've had access to the 36 boxes, I think it is, the criminal defence papers. I've never come across one straight evidence, James, that links Luke Mitchell to the killing of Jody. Nothing. There's lies told in the paper, Jane Hamilton especially for the Daily Record, there's a DNA link on her bra and the Crown had an agreement with the defence that they wouldn't bring the DNA into the court because they were in a relationship. Understandably, but that's just lies.  But he hadn't been there for three weeks prior in the murder, so that was ruled out. So there was agreement on agreed evidence, fair play. They found a mixed profile on Jody's bra, nine markers. Now in the nine markers, a mixed profile, nine people with nine DNA, and they couldn't rule out Luke Mitchell. That's what they told the jury, we cannot rule out Luke Mitchell. But they couldn't rule out Joseph Jones, John Ferris, Gordon Dickey, two other suspects, and they couldn't rule out DCI, Dobby, the man who led the investigation. So there's no links, forensic links whatsoever to Luke, to that murder. And how can that be possible, Jane? Yeah, like I say, this could be possibly the biggest miscarried injustice Scotland's ever seen. When you talk about Joe Steele, he served over 20 years for a crime. He didn't come out so when men let that talk, he's got inside information that you've got to listen, and like I say, it gave me to start looking into it, and then people start realising, wait a minute, is this boy innocent? And look what's happened, but it's not only that though. If he's innocent, then there's a killer on the loose. Definitely. People ask me this many, many times a question. I got a lot of questions fired on me, something I'm politely online. The ones who didn't ask politely, I just tell them, I fight fire with fire. One of the questions I got asked often, if Luke makes a living in a killer, how come nobody's ever been killed since? Well, it was a frenzied attack. It wasn't a serial killer. I've never read any psychological reports that say this person is a serial killer. They say it's a frenzied attack. Now, we have number one suspect in this, James. I'll just say him if you don't mind, right? Everybody who looks at this case, including senior police officers on Channel 5 and lawyers and QCs and forensic pathologists and scientists, they put Jody's brother as number one suspect. They put the boy, Mark Kane, who I took to be the police number two suspect. Now, Joseph Jones is psychotic. The attack on Jody was a psychotic, frenzied attack. That's how the police describe it. So, when people say why is he never killed again, he's taking anti-psychotic drugs. The maximum amount that the law permits he takes. In addition to anti-psychotic drugs, he takes sedatives, valium, temazepan, whatever, right? On top of all these drugs. So, 20 years he's taken the drugs, calm as you do. In jail, they used to call it a gactal shuffle. Right? When you get a violent man who has episodes, shall we call them, right? They used to give him, like, actile. They used to come to cell three days later to be a shuffle. Now, I'm not saying this man's like that now, but he's had 20 years here, right? So, that's the reason I give why there's never been another killing the same as Jody. Well, everybody thinks Luke Mitchell's locked up, and that's why he wasn't a serial killer. The psychology reports on the killing of Jody tell you it's frenzied. Like, somebody flipped. And my vote number one suspect who flips quite regular. Now, I get no emotional when I see Jody's injuries. And I'm not a shy man. I've seen a lot of, say, crime in my life with injuries. Jody's injuries are horrific, right? It's no, oh, less than real horrific. One side of their face is sliced in two. She's decapitated. She's got wee cuts from other eyes.  She's decapitated.  She's sliced across here, and she's got a defensive foot. When she's done that, it looks like she's done that, and it's caught her back here. And it's nearly cut the hand. It looks like a machete attack, like we've all seen recently in papers. And Luke Mitchell's not got a DNA link, a blood. There's not a bit of hair, there's not a bit of saliva. And then it's just, the old things just stinks, stinks to the heavens, pal. That's the only answer I can give you, why nobody's ever been killed in the same fashion, because the drugs worked.  And that's why, that's the reason I give back to people who ask me why there's no other person being killed. That's it, because the drugs and the medication work. In addition, Joseph Jones was paranoid by smoking cannabis.  You can't make these things public as you know, they want me to publish legal papers, and I'm not willing to do that for people online. But before I leave here today, I'll show you medical records on my phone.  He gets paranoid when he smokes cannabis, right? Only three days before Jodie was murdered, he was smoking bucket bombs for three days solid. So he's paranoid. Five weeks before Jodie was murdered, he was sectioned for beating Jodie. Smashing up a Hoosnaf, not a fit. And he beats Jodie and gets sectioned. And then they administer him the maximum amount of anti-psychotic drugs for 11 days. And then they release him.   And she doesn't force him to take his medication, so therefore he gets violent again. Four weeks after that, Jodie was murdered in a frenzyd episode. And so what do you say about that? The thing that troubles me about that is that we never ever treated as a suspect. Never once. I don't know James, he disappears for five days. See if you're psychotic as well.  No, I will listen to that. He used the mental health fact. After Jodie was murdered, that evening, maybe approximately half a living, the times of minutes who didn't people pick you up now. So approximately 11.30 at night, he confirms his name and his address and his relationship to Jodie he's never questioned, he's never spoken and we believe he went back under the mental health, he had the mental health team. When Jodie, when Luke Mitchell's trial came up when the first calling, he went under his mental health team again and got excused for court then, they did it again the second time. So he's never been questioned, he's never been cross examined, he's alibi, he's alibi, he's never questioned. In 2013, the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission they write to Donald Finlay. Five or six days, seven days after Jodie was killed, a man, two witnesses come forward and they say a positive identification of Jodie on East Houses Road followed by a man. They called the man the stalky man.  Joseph Jones wore a backpack everywhere he went carrying a large bowing knife. I did that with my hands. Because of that paranoid he couldn't leave the house without having a weapon. So he gets identified. One witness says that's definitely Joseph Jones and then he gets the wrong person, the person he identifies with isn't in the country. But a woman then watches Jodie's funeral and says that's the man I've seen falling Jodie. So she picks Joseph Jones. The last man ever to see Jodie alive is her brother. 15 minutes, 10 minutes before the police put the time of the murder. So in 2013 the Scots Criminal Case Review Commission write to Donald Finlay and they asked Donald Finlay if you had known at the time that Joseph Jones was following Jodie, would you have incriminated him? Donald Finlay tells him hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't know if I would have done that and I can't answer that sometimes to incriminate a family member, sometimes we would look bad on him. So you have to assess that so you wouldn't answer it, you wouldn't commit yourself. But what Donald Finlay didn't know was his medical records. Now I'm a lawyer, I think I'm well trained and putting the know-how. If somebody comes to you and tells you that there's somebody following the girl that's being murdered who has real serious sisterly violence, real like heavy violence against the mother, he stabbed his mum, he beat his granny.  And I knew this and I had a client getting charged with it, I would have to incriminate that man. But Donald Finlay wasn't aware of his medical records. So when Luke Mitchell went to trial, the jury and the public and everybody else weren't aware of the brother, they weren't aware of his medical records. They weren't aware of a man called Mark Kane and Mark Kane is how I got involved in this case. We went to a college called New Bar Labby James. It's a remind me Open Prison. It's a residential college. Adult education is fully of sorts including myself. I have no rubbish and put myself in that category. I've been through a lot of nonsense in my life and then I go to college to be at myself at university but it's an open prison. You lived in a dormitory, a single room you know, it even looked like an open prison. A boy there, Mark Kane, very very talented boy, very clever brilliant musician, but very disturbed. His whole upper torso was covered in cell farm. He had a fascination for mutilated corpses.  Real disturbed boy a lifetime of torture on animals and all real like heavy boy anyway he comes to my house the morning after the mother, the police say we're looking for a man who's agitated wants to leave the local area and may have visible signs of her struggle. He comes into my flat he's scratching his eyes my girlfriend asks him to take his glasses off he takes his glasses off, he scratches on his face and we ask him what happened he couldn't answer it.  James there's a whole investigation off where did they start they started to start to find Luke Mitchell he's door goes on a wall and then seven statements later and five weeks later he walked directly by the body that's what lies the original statements for Jeanine Jones's sister and Steven Kelly who sperms on her and they never even investigate turn that's an ar store Steven Kelly tells of corpus when they first arrived I fucking take it you've been at mine first and there will be a lassie that I butchered why would you say that they find the body and they go back up to the school and they're standing at a school and Luke Mitchell is clapping his dog and all the Jones family are clapping each other Craig Dobby arrives DCI Dobby his friend is Jody's auntie oh hello Agnes the granny Steven Kelly have been over the war the granny's cuddled Jody's for air for anybody we common sense know that the granny's clothes are important take the clothes put them in a bag they start driving a little bit down Keith's fair police station to have coffee they take me Luke Mitchell they look over to see Luke Mitchell clapping his dog who's that he found the body and the police that visited Jody's home I've got written on a notepad Jody left with Luke that was wrong she was going to meet Luke but the police have now said oh he left she left with him he found the body but they didn't ask who else found the body so they take Luke Mitchell in the game that fool works they strip him, photograph him they scratch his, they bruise they take hair samples dirty hair no being washed they take residue for you under his nails dirty his ankles are dirty and his wrists are dirty so he's no scrubbed right but he was the only suspect and now after they found Jody me personally think they were that arrogant we've got them that weird those killed his girlfriend and they've taken all these DNA samples of him and they think everybody else is okay we've got the man DNA will prove that and then the 15th they botched the whole crime scene James there's a police photographer they go on to start cutting branches and they trample over where all the DNA and the blood there's no blood, nobody ever found where the blood had and nobody found out where Jody was killed where she was found the forensic team say there's no sign of a struggle how can this happen here but they destroy the whole thing the old Jody went to a PC policy this is a police photographer by the way and they drag her maybe four metres on a polythene across a crime scene so if it is destroyed can she have been dead before she was put there 100% she was carried there she was carried there James there was no blood there's no blood, see where Jody Jones has found she's lying at a tree there's no blood there's no sense of a struggle now it's the ground soft it's all leaves I'll take you walk when they come again and I'll take you walk right and if he done that with a foot there would be a scrape there was nothing the forensic team say there's no struggle here there was a wee line of blood along the wall genuinely had a bigger nosebleed and sparring so where's Jody's five litres or six litres of blood they never ever found it the crime scene's botch then a pathologist comes by the way people when you tell people they look at you like Scott come on seriously he's a keystone corpse the pathologist arrives I think half one in the morning or two in the morning and she's too fat to climb over the V in the war right that's another thing that has to be explored maybe later and then she can't climb over the V in the war to access Jody so they just leave her like or night in the rain now once you had to Davies walk a few hundred yards left or right and you can walk into where the body is through a field but she was too lazy so they went home so Jody's now lying on a sheet of polythene in the rain overnight anybody with common sense knows that's the DNA finished she's lying in a pool of water polythene stops water going into places but also gathers water they come in the morning and roll Jody into a body bag and they discard the polythene they didn't even test it what else do I go the search party Stephen Kelly Janine Jones and Alice Walker Jody's granny is a very interesting person first and foremost she knew where to go that night she met Mitchel walking up her path when he was walking Jody's through stable on the path where Jody was found she then insisted Luke Luke go back doing the path that he had walked up why? nobody's ever found that when he asked her in the high court she says I just did her sister and her boyfriend Stephen Kelly who sperms on Jody by her full DNA profile is on Jody belonging to her sister's boyfriend they all touch they go over the wall the granny cradles Jody and Stephen Kelly the police allow them to go home and wash their clothes Alice Walker the grandmother then washes everybody's clothes then the grandmother the police put an ABA an appeal for two men on a moped Gordon Dickey and John Ferris there at the locus where Jody's found exactly at the time of the murder the best friends with Joseph the psychotic brother Ferris had been with him during the day he's left a nine bar with him and Dickey's going to buy hash for Ferris on a moped he's now admitted that he perjured himself and they went over the vein of what he smoked bonks buckets so where did he get hash he's left out his nine bar with Joseph Jones and he was going to meet him at six this is quarter past five so that was at five or six so all of them washed their clothes then the police are asking these two men to come forward and they made that on television the two men on a moped please come forward Ferris said Jody's cousin Alice Walker Jody's grandmother tells her grandson John Ferris don't go forward Ferris tells the police all my grandmother told me not to come forward and he had to leave Dalkeith he moved to Ayrshire because Joseph Jones was going to do him now the grandmother and Jody's mum tell their grandson and their nephew mad Joseph's going to do you because he's told the police about his grandmother who's washed all her clothes but he knew where to go and looked for her body and told her grandson not to come forward to the police do you think it's a possibility then something in the family's killed Jody the granny's knew about it the body's been there but the granny's tried to cover it up for Luke to get a blame so for Luke Mitchell when the search party was there did they know phone Luke's house to say Jody's missing if you go out and he went out with the Doug so he went out with the Doug but their statements at the start were all there but then they changed the statements later on in the stage so let's talk about the Luke Mitchell side the things like what was his day routine like on that day what was his day like before smoking hash he got I think 438 if I remember correctly 438 I might get that wrong with all my trolls I think 438 the last text message or remind me if phones to meter at 5 and he's seen sitting at 6 and he goes out playing with his pals and they say where's Jody and he says you know come on he gets told Jody they've left they to me he's very important they I believe she left the house that day with her brother they've left they stepped and Alan Owens told Luke on the phone they've left so she no turned up at I think 46 26 and then 6 o'clock he goes out playing with his pals and he's sitting smoking hash with his pals in the wood and then he then says he went home like half a night I've checked every time by the way the police say quarter past 5 Jody's murdered I've looked if he could have done it earlier James or later do you know what I can be whatever time I looked at he just couldn't have happened so he says this is Luke Luke Mitchell takes his dog out the only crime I can see and I used no crime but Luke Mitchell's the only man I went looking for Jody see where the path is for Jody's home 300 yards maybe right 400 yards the granny and the sister and the sister's boyfriend had to walk for her make another village called Mayfield a massive scheme of Mayfield maybe 2 miles away to meet Luke in this path 300 yards away from where they meet Jody stepped at Alan Owens and her brother Joseph Jones allegedly he was in that home I don't believe he was there but they were allegedly in Jody's home 300 yards away none any of the two men went looking for him now I've got a sister I've got two sisters my sister was missing that word Jody was regular Luke to the one in the morning smoking hash and drinking and all that stuff so he'd be terribly worried that half past ten at night that your daughter's missing and she's normally she said I really like her she was in the hash and had different music and she stayed to one in the morning stuff so half ten at night they were all worried that Jody's missing but two men 300 yards away never went looking for her now the thing with the shares party the shares party was still in the first statements the dog reacts and it puts it pausing the war and it's sniffing there and then six statements later and seven weeks later when they believe Mitchell's a killer on or like Luke Mitchell just walked right to the V and climbed over the difference in statements James was like night and day but by that time they believed Mitchell's a killer and the police had obviously told them listening to your statements and helping them and they changed dramatically and they told you to say I looked into his dog right he's got a friend, Jane Farkerson Nigel Bowman solicitors Jim Kelly solicitors ten dogs, spaniels, labradors, terriers and that dog man turned up at the locus and they're going to do this experiment to see if a dog would react right when they got there they had nothing for the dogs to react to so they just went to the pub and had a jolly that's over the daily record by Ray and solicitors Jim Kelly went to the record and told the story about the botch for the experiment so I phoned a man called Jock Plyder, regimental sergeant major of the Royal Veterinary Corps 30 years of experience or 25 years of experience training on how to station dogs I phoned him up and I said to him could I meet you, don't make it off you're a parasycal lawyer so I begged him anyway I meet this man, he was a genius he was showing me about scent sales and how dogs react so he was being a bit smart he says 25 years 30 years of regimental sergeant major of the Royal Veterinary Corps training on how to station dogs so I used to take the latter squat and pick the best the best for ammunition and humans the worst ones for running the fence for protection and I asked him what did you think of me exceptional I said why wouldn't you call as a witness he says you're the lawyer you tell me Luke Mitchell the dog you called are exceptional I said how would you have reacted that night and he says you would have put a pause on the wall and I said why because he says he's scent and the blood for the other side of the wall would grasp the ivy and it would climb up the trees and the ivy do you know like it would crawl up and because the ivy is going over the wall now you he says if we go like that so the dog would go towards the ivy now everyone, Janine, Jennings, Janine, Jones Steven Kelly and Luke Mitchell all described the dog acting like that Alice Walker says she couldn't have described it because she was further back then they all described Luke Mitchell why died and terrified and then with four statements later he was cool he never showed any emotion the first police on the scene says he was terrified his legs nearly gave way and then 7, 6, 7 statements later Luke Mitchell was very calm showed no emotion and walked right to the veen climbed lower and walked right to the body but you know yourself you only need two statements to say to make anything stick how long did it take for Luke to get the jail was it over a year was it near a year on it it was 14 so 18 months a long time sure that shows that the lack evidence was there so how did they end up getting a conviction of Luke if there was any DNA there was only the statements there was only that family statements that got him done everything was circumstantial but what about the the mob was accused of burning his clothes and what about that but there was no DNA found in the burner in the back James C the burner I'm no exaggerate when I tell you I think it's 19 inches by 11 and it's for leaves and twigs right Corey Mitchell I'm just going to say this I hope I don't offend them but Corey Mitchell was a better girl when that first made her she was a fine looking woman neighbours there's a adjacent garden right the neighbours have been in the back bedroom looking at Corey Mitchell sunbathing and the wife's not happy the gear statement this is how the statement needs the tarp the tarp that's how we call a woman a tarp in the tide truisers on the knee high boots was burning something in the garden the other night there was a strange smell so they go into the garden the day forensic searches and they find nothing now how's that possible you've seen a Parker quote and if you fire like that there's going to be traces over the trees and the bushes and everything nothing there was clothes getting burnt on the night of the murder up in a place called stone place in Mayfield getting burnt by John Ferris one of the boys in the Mo Pe that well his mother and half sister were reported by several witnesses several witnesses burning clothes and the police have got the remains burning clothes in custody and hid it for the defence and I'll tell you why we found out soon the burning Parker then we found last week when a policeman a police person I didn't want to see a man I'll get a man in the trouble comes to his last week and he tells us the burnt Parker they had a search warrant for Luke Mitchell's school friend in a place called Woodburn and a search warrant to go on and take his green army Parker and hide it for the defence it's sitting in police productions so the only green Parker I can find in this whole case there's no trace of anyone ever being burnt and listen come on you there's no the easiest thing in the world there's people in jail because there's a bit DNA on the zip you know in the firebomb the car gallans the barrel Cory Mitchell's got an A criminal background near her Luke and they're burning Parker's and there's no trace he's burning the Parker's and the only other Parker was number two suspect Mark Kane Mark Kane wore a Parker and everybody says he wore a Parker there isn't a green Parker's it's an invention because one witness seen a man on Newbatt Road wearing what they think was a long army Parker they just say Luke Mitchell had a Parker if it was a shirt and clothes case that Luke Mitchell would have been charged within the first week so it took him over a year to get there must have been so much pressure on the Coppers to get somebody and do you think it's a case of getting anybody just to shut the case down? The Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission in their reports acknowledged that Luke Mitchell was the only suspect in this case and now we're in think of that, that's a murdery a 14 year old boy suspect they send away all their forensics me personally I think they thought then they worry about this is easy they've allowed people to do this they've destroyed the phones they've allowed people to wash clays the crime scenes botched they've missed witnesses phones, all the Joneses Joseph Jones has got a phone that belonged to Jody Jody's got a phone that belongs to Ferris Ferris has got a phone that belonged to Jeanine some have got some cards in the package and some have got handsets, nobody knows who's phones and what, then they open up data an unsecured room and they lose all the data at phones apart from the ones they thought could incriminate Mitchell in other words they've destroyed the phone data I say that on record through me, Llofi and the police through me, they destroy the WPC phone record then what happens is they wait 15 days when the report comes on no the forensic report comes back and it clears Llofi Mitchell and I use that word, clear Llofi Mitchell because forensics tell you there is no trace if you look Mitchell to that crime and I think then I think the police, oof what can they do for their own they bring in a woman called Agnes I'm going to try and pronounce her name Agnes, well Polish I think she's Jody's aunt and Stephen Kelly's got a full sperm full DNA profile of sperm there's a full condom is there by the way, we'll go back to that it's bizarre James Fultner like so there's a full DNA sperm so who was this sperm was on Jody's bras, that Jody's sister's boyfriend boyfriend Stephen Kelly but they haven't bell nobody knows that they're saying they got transferred on a washing machine and then but then that's if anybody had DNA they could say it'd been transferred on a washing machine that's an out for any man that's in the jail, the new way do you know who gave Stephen Kelly the excuse I'm calling an excuse, the police Stephen Kelly says I don't know how my sperms don't have a t-shirt so the police go and tell him Jody must have borrowed your girlfriend's t-shirt but Janine and Jody stayed three miles apart one stays in Mayfield and one stays there Jody's got all her own t-shirts the same kind of t-shirts in her house on that which she borrowed her t-shirt sister's t-shirt that day that had been washed in a washing machine but still had a full DNA sperm for Stephen Kelly never investigated he had an alibi and I use that word very lightly I was with Janine all day at my dad's never investigated there was a condom this is how bad the media is James right and then seriously never my head twisted 15 years when we were Jody's found there was a condom with a full full of fresh cement right now Janine I'm a namener because she's worst in the daily record the daily record say the police never found who owned that condom for three years now come on anybody with common sense if you find a wee girl that's naked and tied up right and then she's been dressed up but somebody put a wee sock on that back and I'll tell you about that now right it's a sexual the FBI called it a lust killing the police says at first somebody who's sexually embarrassed and a frenzied killer so there's a condom full of fresh cement surely common sense tell you you trace who owns that condom they never traced them they found them three years later when they got charged with another crime and they got his DNA and they come up in the database so they went and see him but they never do you know what he's excuses for being there now he's in there at nine at night and Jody's killed at 5 o'clock Jody's 15 years of it he says I went in the woods for a clean wank now I'm, come on sir, you're a man at all have you ever heard a man walking in the woods putting on a condom and having a wank the story is, my investigation is he was 19 at the time and he was we were 15 year old and he didn't want to tell the police years later he's worked telling all the lads it was a marig woman but three years they never even tried to trace who the condom was now beside the condom means and I lean last year a year before another hoodie top line beside the condom it was never ever DNA tested just soon a production back and they never tested DNA and the whole thing is just the body wasn't done there it wasn't killed earlier and then it's been took there then it's possible that the condom was just there way somewhere where he was having a wank in the woods like he was having a wank all the body so how many people and your own opinion do you think was involved in the murder? I think one man killed her, this is only my opinion I think one man killed her and two men went to meet their power at the end they were just too late and then they got the killer away in a moped and the other one escaped through the woods and then the father, a man called David Dickey he's a hash dealer, he was a hash dealer he'd be 60 odds now he'd be 70 and I viewed him as a soliciary he asked me in the field to finish the interview he was a hash dealer but he was also a poacher gamekeeper who takes a police uplamer in your house so he's very close to Dalkey's police the sudden David Dickey Gordon Dickey and John Ferris leave the locus just 10 minutes after he's murdered 25 past 5 or half past 5 and they drive up the path and they go directly to Dickey's house Dickey then the father leaves the house and he walks directly to the body they also look much like he walked directly to the body this man walked directly to the body diagonally across a plowed field now anybody else has passed everywhere but he walked directly across a plowed field right over the rain when 9 working spanyl dogs and he says they were indicated to the body lying 19 metres away James I grew up with working dogs that's just not true a working spanyl clears a field can find a word a wee bit blood on it 19 metres away from where he climbs over when 9 working spanyl she says Jody was an idea I've always believed he's a poacher gamekeeper whatever that moved the body do you know the crime scene being destroyed by bleach as well how do you think they moved the body through the motorbikes I think the man that Dickey carried it Jody's covered in me white hairs we believed to be doggy and I think it come for him so there's been more than one involved I believe Ferris Dickey Joseph Jones and I believe Dickey Sr I think they were involved and I think others in the family knew but I think they forwarded the prime for it but it doesn't take a genius to kind that work at all once you've got all the statements and everybody's background checks like the polis would do all that anyway but they must have just if they just go at so fucking wrong they just targeted that poor boy and they just try to do whatever to get him because listen if you've got 7, 8, 9, 10 statements going against this one guy he's a weirdo he's fucking his affairs with his mum his mum's a nutcase that was she no charged as well Corrine at one point the charged her and Shane Mitchell were there Shane's disappeared by the way and they all asked you why he's involved with that because of the strike the poor mum Corrine as well they smashed the burnt everything down she was living in fucking basically homeless in a cold shelter for her I haven't seen her for a few years she phoned me from time to time I didn't like getting involved with them because when you get emotionally attached you make mistakes so for people watching now how should they believe you or take your opinion as gospel because you are a lawyer and a legal detective you have been on the case from day one but for other people who ask the questions that's my mouth I've never heard of any they accuse you of lying you're lying and you're focusing on a book anybody's ever wrote a book tells you there isn't any money in that after what we had done I told you this I've got a man who gave me £10,000 to write that book no personally gave me £10,000 but put £10,000 in a ring ffenster account for anybody Joseph Jones, Gordon Dickey John Ferris or David Dickey a polygraph test I'll pay for all of the expensive you bring to early mullins and the man is willing to pay that so the first £10,000 that comes from that book has to go back to that man so they accuse you of lying in your pockets I haven't got a moth in this case James so Terry Mullins, the polygraph expert Terry Mullins is a good friend of mine now but with the polygraph expert Luke passed the test and his mum passed the test like two people to pass that test they're not fucking SES agents they're not trained soldiers where they can fake these tests we need to pass the test I didn't know they passed the test so when I looked into it I realised is that possible? this kid can be innocent a 14 year old boy who served life in prison who could get out if admitted he's guilt which he still doesn't which takes a lot of bottle as well but when they passed the polygraph test how was the uproar then when both passed people started listening I was his lawyer at the time I'm not a boss by the way it was the first time I've ever done in Scotland we've done Luke and his mum and we've done a female prisoner Carl and Igo but no with Terry Mullins he's done me somebody else Terry Mullins is the best and I've done work with Terry outside of that and he's a man he integrity you could have go to Terry Mullins and buy him he's worked for the biggest names he's spotted Europe and the last time I see Luke Mitchell was in Shorts prison I can see his name now he was dead in Martin Hamilton he was sitting in the next booth he was sitting in the next booth the gay guy so when you want to visit prisoners in Shorts it's glass containers it's glass petitions and here we we look in hammies and he's like so when he done the lie detector test Terry told them he closed his eyes because prison officers and other prisoners were looking in so that was a lot he closed his eyes and Luke Mitchell telling the truth James listen see I've worked on many cases and I tell people listen I'll shake your hand but if you lie to me once and I find out you've lied to me I've walked away from cases before and be proud of you know just to snap them and worked for him and walked away from a case before and I knew the man was still innocent but he had lied to me he had led me up a garden path he's alive I was just nonsense so I walked away and the only time I've worked in this case in general I've worked on it I've no looked at the case papers for a long time means I know a couple of years ago writing this we went through the crime scene photographs again the police Jesus James honestly they're lies the FBI the Fleet America this could just sum up probably the whole case the Flight America don't be a guy walker I think if I remember his name right the two senior detectives but I've done through the information request how much did this cost two senior detectives fly America the FBI quoted us 30 grand 30,000 the one he does to pay and the retainer to get a new report so they must have spent 100 grand on flying America getting an FBI report on the killing of Jody Jones and you can't even read it just deducted took a blackfield tip pen and destroyed the whole thing what we do know is he says it wasn't a Luke Mitchell he's too young it was a lust killing they called it there's an assy rate to that? no, no he's stripped naked he is the media told you about the condom it wasn't a sexual crime of course it's a sexual crime listen she's stripped naked her hands are tied around her back and we are trousers and their trousers are soaked in blood I think for the wound here James somebody went back and dressed up you lassie the MO sorry for digressing but when you started Jody was dragged about with the hair and punched and kicked first and foremost right she's then strangled rendered unconscious and then somebody butchered her Joseph Jones is MO he's dragging his sisters both of his sisters were here and punched punched him and all his statements for the family members are all telling you he ragged older or he swung her about with the hair well Jody was swung about with the hair that didn't mean he definitely killed her that's only my opinion but the guy who tortured the animals in that as well listen Mark Cain they were all pals they were all hashmokers and the same things in it and what about the confession did somebody walk into the cop shop and give a confession allegedly I never put around my book and people asked me that allegedly Joseph Jones walked in and they'll keep police station and they gave a confession about how he killed Jody but because he was psychotic at the time they never took it serious but if Joseph Jones walked in there more straight and gave that confession it would chase him James the case is closed why didn't I ever give a retrial yeah that's something that I was trying you'd have to find new evidence and here's a there's a test for new fresh evidence and the legal test is it was not available to the defence at the time of the trial now when we found the medical records to me it's a smoking gun when you read these medical records I'll show you after this he's violence and all and what the medical records are saying about but what somebody in the medical team and the only reason I can say this or I believe this Luke Mitchell's lawyers never requested them when you're a lawyer and you want to see medical records you write to the medical board the government and you say I want James English's medical records and if they didn't get them you can fight and you end up getting them nobody wrote the letters or they're certainly not on the files but somebody sent medical records to Luke Mitchell's lawyers now the reason we know that is because there aren't any photocopies, they're originals now who's got access to originals I think somebody in that medical team have realised wait a minute here you have to really know about this and what Luke Mitchell's lawyer did he's opened up the envelope seen who's medical records he put them back in the envelope and threw them away it's like 10 years later we were reading medical records and you start reading them further and you think you can't even go back and see this fresh evidence because we're available at the time of trial the only thing is somebody must have stopped that evidence for appearing how we do that I don't know my laziness because the tumble was on for the tumble was the advocate deput and he's one of the top boys in Scotland he's ruthless with his sentence he was ruthless I'll just say this one because I have nothing to lose anymore Lady Scott, Maggie Scott, QC Lady Scott was Luke Mitchell's QC at the time the last time they put in an application to the Scots criminal case review commission by the way they tell you that people are independent James that's not true, they're the crown and I'll tell you why he's a now rate she wanted to overturn every conviction that tumble ever had because she disagreed with these methods Luke Mitchell now McGracky are two of his most famous they are the worst two mis Cardiw's injustice in Scottish legal history Joe Stale and Tommy Campbell are up there Lockerby is the biggest 16-year-old boy which makes it probably the worst she wanted to overturn both the convictions she was a lawyer for Luke and for Al McGracky she's now Lady Scott once you're Lady Scott you get there after can you get involved and try to overturn convictions whether that's people conspiracy you know, conspiracy is just fact 10, 12 weeks I got a phone call to a police person coming to have a look at Scott and then he tells us channel 5 here of that program the first thing they've done started destroying all the evidence I said nah, he'd been serious and he said nah and deadly serious crime squad based in Livingston got all the production signed off for the crown coincidentally the Lord Advocate is married to Alan Timble the crown signed off all the productions and all the evidence in the Luke Mitchell trial and then the serious crime squad for Livingston Drive he fed his and picked them up in a van and started destroying them so we now have a QC Roddy Dunlop, it's the first time I've told anybody's name Roddy Dunlop was willing to represent Luke Mitchell pro bono if we couldn't get legal aid we got legal aid and he writes to the crown and he asks them is this true have you been destroying evidence and he says yes only the police the crown are admitting that they've gave it to the police to destroy and in the last paragraph roughly word for word is please don't give us a guarantee that you'll not raise litigation against us imagine it was a cover up imagine the coppers did know for the start instead of being a fuck up imagine they just tried to cover it up but again if this is one of the biggest miscarriages in Scotland imagine how many others have been fucking through in jail cos I've interviewed many of them 20 odd years for crimes they didn't commit this shit goes on relentlessly not all coppers are bad it's like anything that's good and bad and there's some decent coppers that I've interviewed they're sound man there's some fucking ruthless bastards who would do anything to try and get top of the ladder and whether that's thrown a 14 year old under the bus is a different story Craig Dobby retired after that Craig Dobby was a drug squad after the relief in the city first that keeps a different boggin sounds like a fucking story that's respect to everybody 100% that's in the sound wild there's jokes here you have to be married to your cousin who's here in the right the guy John Ferris one of the moped boys that's what they call the moped boys at the V he's allegedly got a daughter to his half sister and on the night of the mother his half sister and his mother were burning clothes so the policeman the policeman comes to me all these weeks when he tells us about the destruction evidence so we're right to the crown the crown come back and say yes definitely the police have been doing that and they'll stop so now we've asked what have he destroyed and what have he's got left now scrapings underneath Jody's nails they think they're destroyed but they've been hidden for us hidden for the defence Craig Loughby told the high court there was no search once apart from Mitchell in his family so he never search to anybody apart from Luke, his dad but that's a lie they went to Luke Mitchell's pal and took a green parker Jody's psychological reports maybe I've never seen them or ever heard them but police have worked with productions but hid them he says just for you Scott so I was when I took Martin Kennedy to police James at the time 2003, this is 20 years ago I was a different man I'd been in prison and I'd served five years and then talking to the police some of my parents still didn't agree with it irrespective if it was a bigger or no I'd done what I'd done and I'm alright with it when I took Martin Kennedy to police I had discussions with Martin Kennedy and I said to Mark it looks bad and he says worse, I wrote essays I said what do you mean you wrote essays Mark he said I wrote essays about coming of women in the woods I said what the fuck this isn't me and him walking and I said are you having a laugh and he said I wrote essays about coming of women in the woods this is looking bad the boy couldn't remember where he was when he did he's got scratches, he's fully valiant methadone, speed, lager and smoking hash and he's generally a weird boy he's a very intelligent lad as well but he's weird and he's telling me about his essays I was thinking what the police go into the appeal court and they tell the appeal court no such essays exist, Forbes is a liar I'm like what the coppers used to tell me 10 weeks ago there's your essays here pal 20 years later can you get easy this creditid because you've been a Jew listen do you know what he says me and him are going to I tell him to play along and we're going to get 50 grand can you get 50 quid for the first story he gave a statement saying that it's never been said James, it's never been mentioned I've never done anything for money anybody who knows me tells you when I was young I was right but never for money most of you never got money but never the thing like so they discredited my eyes and ex con and he's this and he's that and the essays don't exist these essays have been missing since 2005 there's a man showing me the two essays and the name of them is called No Remorse and it's about a junkie killing a woman and it was hidden for the defence hidden for the defence it's still hard to pinpoint why all that shit would be hidden what's the purpose of it I just think they made that much of a mess listen now there's a lot of people what was did they have a gains look to get a conviction because you must have something a purely circumstantial it was weird missing knives, they had a fascination for knives and I had made a mistake I was going to bring it to Dave for me Luke Mitchell had a what they called a missing knife that's an art thing that the policeman showed me there's no missing knife, it's got there it's there they took swabs of it there's an art missing knife found in a a skip, there's that much a man phoned me when I'm writing that book he says he's got a river where a big bowie knife that was found there where where Jody's murdered half a mile away probably, there's garages James right but you could drive up and down the road and you would never know these garages existed unless you knew they were there right the man anyway, they're in that they're all them farm workshops spray shops, mechanics and they were all in the store car racing the man's fairest Luke Mitchell's brother and a whole lot of them used these garages this mechanic finds a bowie knife inside the skip with a tip missing he says a couple of anyway, I didn't put in the book because I couldn't get corroborated but he describes a bowie knife brilliant to me a very quite a similar description to what people told me Joseph carried and he's back back back but it might be a different one, there's hundreds of bowie knives right but then so I couldn't get corroboration I phone up a man and the man says to me oh no Scott, it wasn't a big bowie knife it was a stupid wee yearly handle thing I says, what do you mean? he says well my son 14 found it where and the corpse picked the 14 year old lad he up for school, drive him home but tell him in the car that knife he found son nah, it's just a cheap thing a mechanic took a window out of the car and broke it and just threw it away so the boy just forgot about the knife and then all of a sudden he gets a phone call from me and he says nah, that's not true it was just a cheap thing so I go back to the mechanic and I say nah, your pal that found the knife he's telling me it's a cheap thing he's words to me with a dinnitalk shite he says I'm a mechanic, it's got no tools he says it was that good that I googled it in 2003 and it was over £100 I was thinking but what do I do with this anyway about 10, 6, 7, 8 weeks ago a witness goes to John Sallans you know the policemen that were in channel 5 they went to him and they went on tape they found a bow he so they go to corroborated witnesses own tape, found a large bow he knife in the skip covered in blood there's a man she's running away John Ferris I believe it was running towards his garages Joseph Jones he's a garages Ferris he's a garages and the knife's in police custody then he took swabs for it but they never tested it and they only found this for 10 weeks a policemen we are conscious shall we say a police person we are conscious Scott you want to come and have a look at this I think or if no is something like that it's just mad to to try and piece it all together I say it looks innocent I'm not a detective but with the information I've got and all the even the stuff that I can't speak on line now because I don't want to jeopardise any retrial in any case but the boy's innocent a 14 year old boy was convicted of murder and a 14 year old boy's mother's life was turned upside down his brothers went fucked off and rightly so the pressure they must have had his poor mother was terrorised all her caravans burnt doing the poor woman was living homeless the brother leaves the house one day sorry that's alright and then there's that much listen to me when you start on the street the brother leaves the home one day right he's 19 at the time 1920 he's never been in trouble before right he's not shy but he's in his bikes and his car and his stuff he leaves the home one day and he sees a police like block 8 no he thinks it's for insurance or tax he doesn't know how to set up roadblocks it's for him because even he's worked mine is Jane business drug duty handcuffed in a police station the interviews were that bad against Luke Mitchell and his brother the high court says were interrogations a 14 year old boy he was interrogated but they allowed it then he says to Shane Mitchell they made him a prevert in the course of justice and then dropped to charges which is not a normal procedure at court and the most myth says to him he allowed the questioning because he was not a suspect see if he had kept the charges he had prevert in the course of justice the questioning would have been inadmissible but because he dropped the charges he allowed his questioning and the question is how many fuck it wanks did you have hey would you watch porn when your brother's a noose no so yes and no answers he's alibi Luke Mitchell's alibi he's fucked what was Luke Mitchell's alibi it was that nonchalant that anybody knows crime if you say something wrong alibi or you've got something in your mind the brother says he's coming home from work he didn't mean he's first statement that was going with the first statement me personally listening I can't remember the name but they reckon once you go in he's five and six statements it all gets changed after time you get influenced and that what was he the first statement Shane Mitchell's first statement is when he came home from work he wasn't sure if Luke was in the house Luke says he's in the kitchen and his brother was upstairs and he was cooking for his mum and all that it was a silly alibi why are you allowed to change statements that's a good question James isn't it that's a good question and listen Jody Jones is granny I'll say this one now because I've seen that a few times I've never held back Jody Jones grandmother I'm sure I've been charged with preventing the course of justice she threatened Crownman she says I hear her grandson she was close due to Jones Jody's mum I wouldn't have charged her because of the nature and her alibi and that James for her son oh jesus listen listen her statement first reads she's on the large board because I'm no slagginer people say you're slagginer I'm just telling just telling her how it is she's on the large board because if you're 12 o'clock that day right Jody's founds you're 11 o'clock that night so big 11 hours you're on the piss eh and four or five days later she's on the stalking man oh oh she's in the the memory is incredible for somebody being on the rink she could tell her how long she had been cooking pasta and it wasn't ready so we had to get another two minutes they never even cooked pasta that day they got a chip they delivered I know that through my own investigation and Joseph was upstairs never left the hoose nobody's seen Joseph Jones or Jody nobody's seen him he was upstairs in a bedroom lying sleeping and the mum says I knew he was there because I could hear him I was lying and sleeping the whole thing James honestly the whole thing I laugh sometimes because the whole thing me and Mitchell didn't kill that big girl what about the Jones family like I said I was still on innocent girl being killed that what about if they have I don't want it all to be one-sided people always say oh it seems one-sided but it's been all one-sided for nearly 20 years this is when I was saying this boys had a voice so it's not really been one-sided but I've had yourself now as the fourth part of the Rookman Showcase but I'm happy to have somebody for the Jones side to come on and have their say but nobody's ever came forward I've never heard them get an interview I've never heard anybody back it listen maybe they just want to put it to bed and forget about it but there's too much unanswered questions James there's two things here just when the family see the night they found the body they're walking up the path Janine Jones, Jody's sister, says to her boyfriend was she naked why would she ask that question she didn't know how Jody had been killed Jody could have fell for her tree and banged her head she could have hung herself a suicide in the family was she naked that's always sorry trouble me do you know right the second thing is what you're saying is spot on they want to dignify silence but that's not true the family spokesperson shall we call her right Agnes where the Polish surname for 20 years Agnes goes to the papers along with her pal Jane Hamill and Billy Pym so why does she know come and speak she's been very vocal over 20 years no that long ago a Tory councillor I think for Stirling or Falkirk she's done she's sent a tweet or something I support this case there's a miscarriage of justice next thing a daily record Jane Hamill along with this and Jody's Annie very vocal you won't know right and the woman had to retract her statement so if they're vocal attacking people why not be vocal come and sit here with you or anybody else all the answer that you're saying 100% I'm not just all one side but with the information I have I've still got to give the boy a voice because it's all been for nearly 20 years 100 against the weird though the weird music taste the drinking his own pee the kissing his mum in all that mad shit I don't have all the answers but what you have got is the proof to say there was no evidence against the boy to get a conviction of the killing of Jody Jones James I'm from that area that'll keep him born there my dad's a psychic coal miner right and I know how quick quick gossip come on is it like a scheme you tell somebody right now folks are now involving somebody listen there's a policeman there do you ever see this guy interview we look Mitch on his mum she's playing me's ear and Ian Stevens who I work with in the miscarriage he's just coming in all this and he's having sexual relationship he looked unnatural and then he sees when he found out about Mark Kane the number two says oh he'd have been a person of interest he'll see that interview when I watched that I've always been in the opinion that James Matthews was asking Luke Mitchell questions that only the police could ask him under caution no you've got a right to remain silent and he's saying all that right for years and he always says he was briefed he's been coached by the police again just recently a man phoned me a local counciller touched me and he just died the other day and I like Ben and God Resley so he says to me he always told Luke he was guilty he says I'm reading your book son he says fair player you know that right he says I'm reading that back about James Matthews do you know no James Matthews Scott I said no I know he's a sky reporter no son he's for the village the village down the hall right and he says he's brothers of local copper Brian Matthews a local the community policeman in Dalkeith in 2003 who's telling all the boxing clubs all the football clubs on the minors clubs we've got the wee cut we cannae tell you how but we've got the wee man his brothers are now in Luke Mitchell Susan now I know that's all conspiracy but somebody set them up and Dalkeith in 2003 James you couldn't find anybody to believe that Luke Mitchell was innocent because the rumour mull and listen it's it's like 10-9 in villages Neb before he was innocent let's be honest like Neb before that had anything to do with Joe Steele said it to me I thought fopsie Joe you're crazy and then you wait up and go and Joe Steele wouldn't say that and then you look into it and he was right like I say I'm the detective but with information that I have nothing to point to him I've been there on that night killing that young girl and it's mad to think it's fucking mad around light to say there's an innocent lass being killed god rest of soul but in that family we don't have everything here to say that it was this person and that person we can only give our own opinion you've came here then just being blatantly open and honest which is I think is only the right thing as well to date my very first day was Joe the wee lass was murdered everybody in that area wants to help it's not a bank robbery or something it's a wee lass I've got my daughter's age 14 I went to my dad by the way she went I wanted to start talking to her I went to my dad and the boozer and asked him he said he knows me and I said dad I'm not listening but he said show louder sir and the wee lass said no 14 the same age as jody in the same kind of schools I've got wee grandson in the same school now as we're jody in that way and I went in my door and my door told me dad shout my only motivation for the very day one was jody jones I've never made a penny for this case I've read and lined up like my book I've read and lined up that's cosmic fortunes travelling back and forward here and everywhere I've been in Dalke for a thousand times from where I've tried to meet people and this I've never earned a penny even as I've been with his lawyer by the time we were his lawyers the legal aid had been spent ten times by lawyers malking it out and my motivation for day one was wee jody jones still remains that although the family hate me and rightly so I didn't blame them I don't blame the jones family for pointing their finger at me and calling me a whatever I didn't mind that because what I'm saying is if they were saying that would be me but I can't shut up for what I've seen and this isn't just I've not just read crime files I've been in Dalke for 16 years people telling me things like the guy dike recently dike's now admitting that he pairs on he's still laughing about it and how he was over the war people are slipping people are making mistakes now jim but sorry making mistakes it's getting that mistake back in the quote pal Do you think the truth will ever come out? Yes, yes, yes I believe so, I believe so and I think it's the media convicted Luke Mitchell of mapping the police manipulated the media fair play listen that's her job and I get burnt towards them you understand it but the media's turning I've got a couple of good journalists a guy doogie walker in the sun and the only reason I gave him is he being brave we'll work up on the express in the mail the daily record are never turned because they went against Mitchell I'm trying that as well right I've asked the editor now Jane Hamill retired for the redundancy of the record way we're trying with the record please come and speak to us take a walk, if you're ever there I'll take you a walk and I'll show you and when you leave I've never taken anybody at Walk James and Luke Mitchell killed Jody because when you show them in you think so the sun front page headlines did you see it? just a couple of weeks ago so I have to applaud Doogie for that he'd be brave most of our journalists he'd come forward and say ok I'll do that so if you can turn the daily record in the sun oh they're half right there that's my opinion just shows you how powerful the media is though do you know what I mean Matt 100% what's your whole run-down on it's got for day one to now I think the mudder's horrific James it's not a serial killer and it's not a cold hearted or caught calculated it's a frenzy thing right the wee socks just quickly Jody Jones has dragged them out with hair right and she dragged them on the ground and we notice she's got mud in her socks right and her socks have come off and somebody's put the socks back on and put them on inside out so the mud's in the inside of the socks so we know the socks have come off and somebody's put them back on who dressed them again somebody we care I've asked psychologists who would dare us somebody that cared for her would dare she'd been lying naked and somebody's picked up the socks and put them back on that was never investigated in there they destroyed the crime scene the whole crime scene is botched for wanting a better word they allow witnesses to wash their clothes witnesses to disappear, they go lazy they go arrogant, we've got our man and when they come back no friends or clinks to Luke Mitchell I think they just kept target I think they invented stuff and bullied people listen I've got young kids 14 and 15 at times I stick up for looking and we're bullied, no intimidated by police you have fucking some now who spoke against Luke are now having a counselling because they believe Luke Mitchell killed her everybody in 2003 believe Mitch even his wee school pals 14 year old lassies no like saying he's a fucking animal we don't like him and they say things against him they're now grown women no way they're in minds and they're sitting in the house and crying thinking what a day to my friend because they were intimidated and bullied by police everybody that spoke out everybody I've spoken to in all these years anybody that spoke out or anybody come forward with any evidence that was not fitting the police narrative were either ignored, bullied or smeared and I just think people say they were crooked I just think after the friends it's clear Luke I think they just target them James that was one of the first for many years to come forward and shed light on it and say it was innocent and it was 90% hate it was 90% people tried to cancel me, people tried to stop me and now it's 90% for it cancelled, you've only got a phone call but when they mention name because I know that you said a tiff there's an art podcaster doing south to tell me like he interviewed me and I thought it was alright it wasn't him that done it he's psychic on it, I've done a few now I never planted the risk I've never been in the limelike no camera in that but now I'm getting used to it, I feel it right Jane I'm not cancelled me for that she reached out to me and drew it offline but other people just stuck it in other places so they've tried to cancel me for 15 years but they've smeared me and they still get frex you have to be careful Scott like warms if your door goes in one morning and you find something that's what happens I'm not bothered but if there's an innocent kid there and there's fresh information and there's more stuff coming out then you've got to do the right thing James that's the right thing I'm happy to sit with you close to anybody I'll shy away from nobody and this is just the information I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a detective you're a legal detective it's not a question how you know on the lossy side anyway see all your canceling culture you never became a solicitor you never went to university oh glass and just Paddy health miscarry justice when I leave for the day I think I'm going to go poppin and see them I'll take you in a new chain that right for you they call me their best and best here that I will hit trumpet about a drum chap all night and then a case that Tommy Camel brought to us many years ago a guy who was in short painted the cell green on New Year's Day or Paddy's Day or something Tommy Camel got in touch and says this man is innocent do you know where do you look at and I looked at two cases for them I'm decent what a day James I'm fair street, I've done a five I was in West East School at 13 and all that and first thing I was with people Glen at 14 right so I'm not a daff, I'm not a fool seven years at uni four years postgrad law no a I'd probably look at things a bit different fellow lawyers not which is a little ok and then lies what is your qualification squad for people watching my qualification I've got a bachelor's, honours degree in philosophy and history and I've got an LLB that I've done in postgrad and I've got legal practice diploma in postgrad as well four year postgrad law and four year undergrad with history and philosophy what makes you ever get out do you know what I think hope I'm wrong James but here's what I think's going to happen I think the police have destroyed that much evidence right and when the Crown come back we're waiting on this now the Crown will come back and they're going to tell us what they've destroyed and I think when they tell us what they've destroyed it'll breach he's article six he's right to an appeal so they'll allow a moot on that ground and that way it saves them from investigating it there is no crime do you think you haven't met you'd go up to just try and get out no, no, no, no I've heard I hear the listen I read a statement earlier when he was in Poland we shot and he's souping, we pissed and he's souping I've seen all that imagine even going on record when you had a grown man talking I go told he confessed when he was in the digger in Poland and the people that I heard were there you would confess because if you didn't confess you were getting sliced so I heard the listen I heard it for a year and I've mentioned it as people spoke to me I've heard this in Poland that he done this and he done this I went to men that we both know they were in Poland and told me nice and I never heard that and they thought he was a beast but other people tell me I was in there and they gave him a hard time but some of the people who gave him a hard time in Poland and they were laddies for that area they've done five and six he's been a very young laddie in Poland they are now very very supportive you can see why he get terrorised because if I was in the jail he was there you're going to terrorise him because you think it's true by the way James you know me boy no I know he was in the town he thought back but you can understand why people were terrorising him like I said when Joe said to me I thought can he be here it was all over the papers and news especially being so close to home you don't forget these things how do you, when you wrote the book has this been fact checked has this been checked I'll just tell you right off there's one thing in here where can people get it Scott? Amazon listen I fact it means Sander leans you encyclopedia listen I've worked with Sander everything's above board I don't have everything there's two things in there I'm going to laugh can I show you of course the time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed and all that is secret will be made known to all Luke 22 right and I read Bersby Burns at the back the only person that's scared the truth is them there's one thing in here that keeps pulling me for James we Jody Jones Jody's dad committed suicide when he was 15 when she was 9 and then the blur was 15 and they say that's when the blur went up to the rails and in statements and I'm not going to say who's because I have to cover myself here because in statements the mother included but other people's statements we Jody walked in and a bad party a swingers party one night and grabbed them bought the vodka and run out of the living room and it caused scenes in the hoose and that led to the father's suicide people are saying didn't he talk shite Jody was in the country grandmother of the way that's no true I've based everything on here on factual evidence evidence so if I've told a lie or people say I'm told a lie in here it's because somebody's told a lie in their statements and everything I've read in here comes from Ory Jones family statements Luke's statements Luke's mother statements Luke's brother statements and police statements everything that's in here is factual now they got checked and peer checked Sandra Lean is my reference if I wanted to know something about listen I've got a different take on this with Sandra Sandra Lean's a campaigner and been campaigning brilliantly he's kept us in the public for years I've just come out and say that they've been dicing about for years no wanting to name this person and name that person I've just come out and say that and I didn't mean to offend but okay listen sometimes you have to offend I come out of conclusion one day I started writing this I didn't even want to write in the the form I wrote but he made a loop and I was thinking that's how you boy I was looking at a court case and trying to write it all professional and I was starting to look at him thinking he's 14 he's a fucking bear and he's a child I didn't even mean if he's guilty he should have been treated better but he's 14 I'm thinking 14 I'm sitting here 14 with your mum you've got nobody in the world to protect you they're sort of middle class here they're living in a middle class scheme he's dad's no rare he's got big brother you've got nobody to protect him you've seen the media how they work you've got the day record you've got the police down you've got the wee bastard you've killed the wee lass in year 14 you see some in year day what's right I genuinely think I've done right James I've done really wrong in my life everybody has you in 2003 when I took a boy to a police station I thought I was doing right as I said I walked away for a few years because I had to go into the hangar to make a living and then I've been away and then I've come back and then I went away and come back and this time with Covid crime scene photographs and the mayor started looking at them and the mayor started reading the case again and he refreshed my mind I go angry so if I've seen things that upset people it's just tough so who do you think who do you think killed Jody Jones I think only my opinion I think her brother killed her I think Joseph killed her he was the last man the reason I'm going to say that he's the last man that's seen Jody alive right 15 minutes before she was killed Joseph Jones seen walking behind her he's got a history of violence towards his sister he's psychotic he's psychotic drugs where we are now he's smoking bucketbongs that make him paranoid that his MO is dragging dragging him about with the hair and Jody Jones has been dragged about with the hair he wore a backpack with a large bowie knife in it because he was so paranoid he's pulled out to people plenty of people and very violent listen he's a violent man he's not a gangster violent but he's that and Jody was killed on their friend's attack now if he can build a case 20 police officers or how many police officers can build a case over a year against Luke Mitchell I could build a case against Joseph Jones myself and I'm not going to and I could have got a guilty against Joseph Jones I believe that and that's only just me working myself I believe Joseph Jones killed his sister and I believe he's two pals John Ferrison, Gordon Dickey helped him escape for the scene and I think David Dickey went back up and cleaned it do you know one other thing dogs you'll find this room impossible there'll be dog men impossible you can use bleach and ammonia to hamper dogs in the search a protected site the guy David Dickey goes over to where Jody's lying at say six at night with his nine working spaniel dogs and he didn't come forward but his son comes forward five days later and in his statement he says my dad went back over to the site so instead of the police going to David Dickey and treating him as a suspect or even a person of interest they invite him back over to the locus and use him as an expert witness so he's now sampling over the site he's got blood on his boots but he can't even tie the blood into him being anywhere near the murder site because the police took him there then another set of police go to Susan they start asking him about sexual relationships and him many times he had made sexual advances to more Jody but the police are using him as a witness at the locus thinking that if he had been part of that and his DNA is over Jody or at the locus go cancel it because the police took him back there now five weeks later the days I get mixed up after years and too much but they bring up a part so the years a guy called David Dickey as an expert witness first imagine that then they bring up the dog team for Yorkshire same dog team that was maddling McCann different dogs obviously but the same team and they bring them up and they take them you know what they say our dogs are hampered by a bleach like substance ammonia somebody poured ammonia where Jody was found people had sprayed the site with ammonia who? never investigated never checked me personally I think it was David Dickey how many people do you think were involved in the whole thing the cover up the body where the known who killed her how many people have killed his sister I think David Dickey and Gordon Dickey and John Ferris knew and helped them escape and I think Jody's mum stepped that knew I don't know what parts they played there's always puzzled me at my imagine writing a young man so to work this Jody's mum on the night she was killed right she says that she leaves the house right she's only the drinker she's telling facts right she's only double workers for 12 o'clock during the day right she's pissed on the guy Alan Owens he works in the cleansing he comes in for work and he says Jeanine's in the house right but then when the stalking man mentioned that it was Joseph so he changes his statement for Jeanine and Joseph but at 6 o'clock that night they say they leave the house right to go up to a cemetery to visit her ex-husband's grave now if you're a young man you don't have 30s or whatever you've got a girlfriend and she's pissed and you come in for a hard day's work can you want to go up to a cemetery to visit your girlfriend's ex-man's grave I found that pretty strange I always thought that she left the house because she knew something had happened but that's only for the unconscious I can't approve that a lot of people tell me things and listen it's a village and when you go there people talk to you other people don't and I believe the granny Alice Walker who's now dead she was closed till winter season when she came forward she knew exactly where to go that night I think she knew and I think Jody's mum and stepdad knew although they never had any David and then I genuinely don't think they try to set up Luke Mitchell I just think they try to protect their son and Luke Mitchell just happened to the fall guy where do you go forward through here squat well listen we're waiting on the crown coming back telling us exactly what they've destroyed I've got a funny feeling James have destroyed everything there's forensics there's forensics we want tested again right there's things that were never tested in 2003 the commission tested their trousers again I think 2013 their trousers they only zippin at the side and they couldn't find the handles right but Alan James in the forensic institute in Glasgow he's always maintained that he would like to test other things in the case so if there are no destroyed certain things we would like to get access to them I believe now we will get access to them because the crown are now in a weak position because I've omitted that they've destroyed everything and try again try forensically James to reexamine us or then I want to get a guy away but we're putting pressure on people putting pressure on people the guy Ferris we're going to go and visit him soon journalists brave journalists there's a couple now standing up here we're going to try and speak to Ferris and Dickie and Joseph Jones and there's pressure I know people tell me they're saying things now and they're getting me getting nervous people are getting nervous and it only takes one person to be living with all that guilt and regret to have a break and go do you know what this is the truth because somebody knows it listen they're decent guys how do you see this with them 20 year old your pal's done something real real bad 20 year old I would have probably tried to get my pal away he's a problem he says can you help me you're always going to back him up obviously if you go to this scene and you're fighting shit you're already there once you take that step to get my way and the first guy is as crazy as you say you don't know if he's threatening people as well do you know what I mean to go and help them I'm listening to guy John Ferris move their way to here he come back and he was in Mayfield and Joseph's up to pay him in my car trying to run him over he's a violent man do you have a worry that somebody could try and take you out listen that's part of the game isn't it because of the names you're mentioning kind of just over the years James I've been in him five years now I've met me a dangerous man in him I'm not saying he's no dangerous listen if you can do that to your sister and I know he's dished to fire ah I suppose okay okay that's in the pits that's the happen I didn't mean no worried can I tell you something James I'm actually proud pal I've done all the things in my life that you're ashamed that you're no shame but there's certain things I've done that I was quite proud of do you know when I got older what time I was raising up myself but this I'm genuinely proud of myself pal when I stood up in 2003 nobody was do you know like everybody this is just no right but as in 2003 I was an ex-con I made uneducated so it was easy to say he's a kindaft and this and that he's no clever enough they can't tell me that any much listen I said to the sheriffs in QC in the intellectual conversation about law and anything else I'm not a stupid man in 2003 I was insecure you're a laddie for the street and you're going against all this tide no now pal no I'm pretty good so if you're drawing fair it's in Gordon Dickey Gordon Dickey is a big broody man as well I interviewed his dad this week I interviewed his dad in 2011 and he says to me c'mon pal go on the fields and then get this conversation I had a briefcase in a suit I said aye go on then and then we walked in the field and he just kept talking and then he says to me be your nobie interviewing my son like that I said okay no bother and I just walked away and then I did allegedly on a path talking to Jody at 55 at 55 it wasn't about that time a woman called Andrea Blyce and she was always being questionable because you've seen the man, you've seen that they know they showed their mug shots a boys in 12 and 13, 14 and then they showed her a instamatic do you remember they called that a instamatic Wally Rhaimey looked Mitchell cos he had never been in a mug shot so they had him now in East Ooses he was never up there so anyway we meet Andrea Blyce in 2011, 2009 we send her a letter we chap her door and she phones her office so we go to meet her and we say I'm a solicitor and then we get to the home right and she's here with her husband but she's fine cos I wouldn't meet lawyers all morn, you take some do you but her mother-in-law was there I find that quite strange all we asked her is one question Miss Blyce, when you go to the high court and you've seen Luke Mitchell, you couldn't identify him I identify him, had he changed his appearance and very polite and very self-spoken get out of the house, the mother-in-law jumped up get out, as the years went on we started the investigation some of the Blyce family have spoke to me Andrea Blyce had never seen anybody Andrea Blyce was driving along the road allegedly her husband seen a couple of hours again cos he had mental health troubles he'd go to his wife to come forward cos she knew the Jones family and Al Keith wanted to help catch the killer and she was doing her wee bit for the community and she had ID Luke Mitchell but when she went to court she couldn't identify him Fair play for coming forward Scotland and just having the balls to just say how it is for your side for the evidence and everything you've got like I said, the newspapers Luke's conviction your story, the other three parts I've done people can make up their own assumption and decide what they want but at the end of the day Luke's still in prison they're still in an innocent girl being killed I don't know 100% facts of everything but I've got a rough idea what I've gathered that kid is innocent but would you like to finish up on anything, Scott? Luke Mitchell never killed Jody Jones didn't he cover invite anybody, anybody listen, you're inviting anybody to come in your podcast right and take a look sitting listening any doubters and after this I'm going to show you medical record because you doubt you know I cannae go public and and print I cannae do that prejudice cases and you can get a jail for that yes after this I'm going to show you medical record and I'll invite anybody any doubters, police officers, lawyers anybody, anybody to come and walk with me and I'll take them and show them I walk and at the end of that walk you tell me that Luke Mitchell killed Jody Jones you could look for any involvement in this case James I've looked at I've genuinely listened every time I looked at I always tried to find Luke Mitchell to be guilty does that make sense? I had to go away for a few years in different things I'm always come back to it and every time I've looked I've always tried to find someone to put Luke Mitchell in the frame there's nothing they made up stories I'll say this Luke Mitchell was a weirdo and he admits that he's self he carried knives and he acted daft no he burned himself with fags and he always had a blade but he's a hash smoker in 2003 he was sober you need an axe to clarify so he always had a knife ok maybe a bit too close to the relationship with him and mum a bit funny but there's no cruelty animals there's no deceit there's no criminality there's no none he's hanging from his door dead animals in that the biggest rumour ever in Dalkeith in 2003 when he looked Mitchell it was your brother Shane right who was hanging animals hungies a dog for the door and tortured it and he was never at the Roslyn Lee hospital right with Merrill Institute in Dalkeith it wasn't just a little shy sorry if I was feeling a bit shy Shane Mitchell had never been near the Roslyn Lee hospital on his life the only person who had been near Roslyn Lee hospital on his life was no Luke's brother but Jody's brother the only person who was torturing animals apart from Mark Kane the man I took to the police the cruelty animals are another level right but Joseph Jones also are torturing animals can I ask you just a logical this is always, this is me if you have a psychotic fit or you have an outburst and you're a boxer you throw punches if you're a karate guy you kick but if you're in the shop and you have a psychotic fit what are you going to do? the thing is if Jody was getting punched in a hairpult there would surely have been DNA there must have been wearing gloves then I've got Luke Mitchell doing me I've got Luke Mitchell doing me in his bar of clavas gloves I think Professor Beswyl he was a police pathologist listen I've worked with Professor Beswyl two or three times and he's a lovely man and a brilliant professional but if that says then I need to find this in this murder he'll find it for you does that make sense? for anybody watching Scott that's maybe you don't know who watches somebody wants to come forward with new information how can they get in contact with you? listen I'm on Twitter everybody knows me on Twitter I never use Facebook but I use Facebook Messenger and my email address is scf65 at hotmail.co.uk against Scott why would you like to finish up on anything? just please finish Luke Mitchell did not call Jody's Owns in your book people can get this on Amazon it's a fascinating read for anybody interested in this case but for coming on today Scott telling your story I appreciate it keep fighting the good fight God bless you for the future try my best thank you


So please tell us your name and where are you from? My name is Sam, and I'm from here Pasco, Washington And what is your testimony that you want to share with us today? My testimony is on last week's sermon of when Pastor Vlad was talking about tipping and tithing Pretty much. I was just a tipper at that point. I was never a tither What do you mean by tipping? After I get my check I would pay all my bills do whatever I wanted was my money And then I come to church and give them whatever was left over and yeah, and okay You got the sermon So what was your kind of like a current situation of last week your financial? you know as You were going through I had given up a smoking marijuana about like two months ago, and I Figured you know from going to spending 300 to 400 bucks a month. I would have all that extra money and I Didn't have an extra any extra money. I was even more Broke than I was when I was smoking and I Don't know. I just I was taking that money from sin and I was not giving it to God So I was just I was not getting any of that fruit back So I figured something had to change and so this Wednesday last Wednesday as Pastor last was talking about tithing and What happened on that service that night? we prayed we paid on on our finances and I Had made the decision to give even though that night. I was I was negative in my account I made the decision to I was gonna I was gonna do anything I could to give my money to give that 10% to God and So I did I went home and I prayed that night again and the next day I got another bill and this was the third day I get paid on Friday, so I stood in out no money I got another bill and I was pretty upset that whole day. I was I was at work and I just kept praying I was like this is I can't I can't I can't afford another bill and Maybe an hour or two so later my boss calls me and says we need to have a talk So I was like, okay now I'm in trouble. This is only going getting worse so We met we started talking and it was my annual review. I wasn't even expecting a raise for my job. I was We at 1324 that's as much as I can max out our company could not go any higher than that So we started talking. I was only expecting the 20 cent raise at most We kept talking and then when he gave me my raise It was a 56 cent raise which took me to 1350 dollars at that time and I had asked them I was like, well what happened? I thought it was at 1324 is where we maxed out He couldn't even give me a straight answer. He just said I don't know something with the company is where they raised They raised that and you could make even more on top of that. So I mean and at that time I was like, this is this is God. He heard me and he He's giving back to me even though with when I made that decision to give him money even though at that time I still hadn't given anything just knowing that I was gonna give him when I got my check and I was gonna tie He blessed me with this great blessing So on ways that you came with no money to give on the offering basket It's okay though, but as as soon as you made a decision God already provided your breakthrough. Is that correct? Yes, so we know that it's not Friday anymore. You got pre and Friday. It's Sunday now. So have you given your tides? Yeah, the very first thing I got my paycheck and it was a lot bigger even than I was expecting So I mean he's working amazing things and I mean I gave my tides immediately and usually I'd be like man I could definitely spend this on other things, but that didn't even cross my mind It was just I'm giving it to him because I know he's gonna give me so much more than what I'm giving him So what is your advice to the tippers instead of the titles this morning? Everyone who was in the same same situation as me just tipping, you know coming with the last of your money I I encourage you to definitely tie tiding It's I mean it's brought me this and I can't I can't wait to see what else is gonna bring in my life