Hello, everybody. Good afternoon and welcome. I'm Susan Collins, the Joan and Sanford Wildein of the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy and I'm delighted to welcome all of you here this afternoon for today's Policy Talks event, which is also co-sponsored by the Ford School's International Policy Center. We're very honored today to be joined by Dr. Erica Chenoweth, who's traveled all the way from the University of Denver's Joseph Corbell School of International Affairs. We're delighted to have you here with us today. I'll introduce her more fully in just a few moments, but first I'd like to say a few words about the Joss Rosenthal Education Fund. Today's Policy Talks lecture is named for Joshua Rosenthal. Josh was a 1979 University of Michigan graduate. He spent his last year here at the policy school and then went on to earn a master's degree at Princeton University. He was passionate about world affairs and he worked in the field of international finance. He died in the attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001. Josh's mother, Marilyn Rosenthal, was a longtime Michigan faculty member and it was very important to her to shape some meaning from what happened on 9-11. To honor her son's optimism about the world and also about how mutual understanding, dialogue and analysis can improve communities both here in the United States but also across our world. Marilyn and others established the Josh Rosenthal Education Fund, which enables the Ford School to encourage new and deeper understandings of international issues. And I know that Josh's aunt, Harriet Berg, is here with us. Welcome. We're delighted to have you. Thanks for joining us. And we're very grateful to your family and friends for their ongoing support. Marilyn Rosenthal passed away in 2007 but we're very grateful to her and the Rosenthal family for making Erica Chenoweth's visit possible and for their lasting contribution to the Ford School's experience. We also need your help to sustain our students' opportunities to be able to engage with policy leaders like Erica. And if you're interested in supporting the Ford School and the next generation of public servants and policy leaders, I invite you please to visit the Ford School's website at FordSchool.umich.edugiving. And now it's my great pleasure to introduce today's speaker who I know that Marilyn Rosenthal, if she were here with us, would really, really be pleased to have deliver today's lecture. Erica is an internationally renowned authority on political violence and its alternatives. She teaches at the Joseph Corbell School and is associate senior researcher at the Peace Research Institute of Oslo. She's co-author with Maria J. Stefan of Why Civil Resistance Works, the Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict. This landmark study won the Woodrow Wilson Foundation Award and the 2013 Graumeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order. Foreign Policy Magazine ranked Erica among the top 100 global thinkers in 2013 and last year she was awarded the Karl Deutsch Award, which is given annually to the scholar under 40 who has made the most significant impact in international policy or peace research. And it's also a great pleasure for me to tell you that just this week and after the printing of our program, Erica was named a full professor and also the Joseph Corbell School's associate dean for research. Congratulations. While following her remarks, Erica will take questions from the audience. So beginning at about 4.40 p.m. we will have staff who will be walking the aisles to collect your questions. Ford School faculty member, Professor Susan Walts, also a Joseph Corbell alum. Together with two Ford School students, Brenda Diverse and Tanner Cooper will facilitate the Q&A session after the remarks. And for those watching online, please send us your questions via Twitter using the hashtag policy talks. And so, please join me in welcoming Erica Chenoweth. We're delighted to have you here today. Well, thank you so much for that very kind introduction. And I also want to thank Dean Collins, Cliff Martin, Aaron Flores, and the students and faculty here at the Ford School for making me feel so welcome so far. I also want to thank Josh Rosenthal's family and friends for setting up this memorial fund in his honor. I was able to read a little bit about his life and his family's life today and came across a story about his mother's search for meaning in his death in 9-11 in a beautiful Washington Post article that was published on September 11, 2006 on the mothers of the people who died. And I was struck so much by a comment she made in that article where she said that for her, the search for meaning was about the search for knowledge because she felt that knowledge was agency and knowledge was power. I can identify with that. And so I thank you for having the honor of delivering this lecture today. I want to talk to you a little bit about where I was when I first came to the topic of civil resistance because I wasn't somebody that came to the topic easily, willingly, or with a very open mind. So it was 2006. I was a PhD student finishing up my dissertation at the University of Colorado. And my dissertation was all about why political violence happened so much in democratic contexts. I was really bothered with questions about political violence in general, how to stop it, why it happens, and how to reduce it whenever possible. I was not at all familiar with any work on nonviolent alternatives to political violence. And it had never struck me that one could potentially think about nonviolent action as a functional alternative to violence. But what happened is one of my colleagues forwarded me an email invitation to a workshop called People, Power, and Pedagogy that was happening down the road at Colorado College. This was an educational project that was being funded by the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict. They're a foundation in D.C. whose main object is to spread and support the development of knowledge about nonviolent conflict. And because I was a graduate student and they were offering free books and free food, I applied and got in and they sent me the box of books in advance to read. And these were books by people like Gene Sharp, Peter Ackerman, Jack Duvall, Steven Zunis, and a variety of others who were making what I found to be a really bothersome claim. That nonviolent resistance where ordinary civilians use coordinated tactics like strikes, boycotts, protests, stay aways, go slows and a variety of others, they can actively confront even very repressive opponents and create radical social change. I thought that this was a very naive view. And I also felt unconvinced by the types of evidence that were being used to support that claim. So when I went to the workshop, I came with three major reservations, which I'm going to refer to as common claims, because I hear them repeated all the time. The first one is that I thought nonviolent resistance, I mean these are unarmed civilians, right, who are trying to collectively organize in ways that disrupt the status quo power in their countries. Nonviolent resistance could not be effective when the opponent was very powerful, when the opponent was very repressive or willing to use mass repression, or when the opponent was authoritarian in nature, meaning that there was no real political space for effective organizing. The second set of reservations I had was that nonviolent resistance might be all fine and good if you were pursuing what I might call reform goals, which is to say, reform goals, which is to say goals that are like labor rights or gender rights or political reforms that would be short of the removal of a dictator, for example, or the removal of a foreign military occupation or colonial power from one's lands. And goals like this that I would usually associate more with violent insurgency. And then the third reservation I had was mostly based on an article that had come out in that summer in the Journal of International Security by a guy named Max Abrams. And this article was called, Why Terrorism Does Not Work? And in it, Max collects data on a whole bunch of different active terrorist groups around the world, or so defined by the U.S. State Department. And he looks at how many of them had actually achieved their stated goals and found that it was just 7%. So a pretty ineffective method if you look at it relative to other types of military coercion that are usually around 30% or so. And so I was coming to this workshop thinking, okay, so at 7% effectiveness, terrorism is judged to be ineffective. And on the last page of this article, Max says, so if it's just 7% effective, then why does it happen so much? And he speculates that maybe it's because even at such a low rate of effectiveness, it's still more effective than nonviolent protest. So I was coming to this workshop with a very low bar of expectations about the effectiveness of nonviolent resistance, and yet I was coming up against all kinds of material saying that it could be a powerful technique for social change. So I got into some arguments at the workshop, and I wasn't a very popular participant, I must confess. But toward the end, I met this woman named Maria Steffen, who was randomly paired with me as a roommate in the dorms, and she and I were staying up late in the night having these very antagonistic conversations about it. And ultimately we decided to honestly kind of make an intellectual bet where we decided to do a study that would provide some nominal data to find out whether nonviolent resistance was actually having the success rates in history that its optimists were claiming it to have. So she asked what kind of research design would be convincing for the average political scientist, and I pulled out like a napkin and drew out what I thought was the beginnings of a research design, and what it would have to do was instead of cherry picking our favorite cases where we looked at successful nonviolent resistance, what we would need to do is do a really wide-ranging search of campaigns of nonviolent civil resistance worldwide from a longer period of history.  So 106 years of data worldwide. And we were going to have to look at all of the existing data sets on things like protests, strikes, and other things to try to develop the list of campaigns. So not just one-off protests, but continuous coordinated campaigns of nonviolent action. We also were looking at case studies and histories written by other people about this subject. And good timing, there was a bibliography that came out in the summer of 2006 by a bunch of specialists on this topic named April Carter, Howard Clark, and Michael Randall, where what they did was they collected an annotative bibliography of everything that had ever been written about nonviolent resistance. And then they provided all the source material. So we went to those materials and started basically collecting a list, what you might call a consensus list, of all known nonviolent campaigns from 1900 to 2006 that featured at least a thousand observed participants and that were maximalist in their claims, meaning the removal of a dictator, the removal of a foreign military occupation or colonial power or secession. So why did we go after those? Because I was a skeptic and I thought that probably nonviolent resistance wouldn't succeed in those cases. We then looked at campaigns of violent action and we simply pulled those from the correlates of war data set. And what we found there were campaigns where people were using armed action to try to prosecute those same goals. We then created a metric of their outcomes, whether they succeeded or failed. And we applied a strict definition of success, which means that they had to have achieved the removal of the leader or complete territorial independence, both de facto and a jury, within a year of the peak of their events. And they also had to have had a discernible impact on that outcome. So like if a leader died of a heart attack while they were in office, we wouldn't count that as a success even though you could make the indirect claim that a movement might have had something to do with it. And large part because we didn't want to contaminate the data with cases that were kind of borderline if you want to think about whether the campaign actually led to the outcome or could be judged to have done so. So basically, once we put this all together, we submitted it to a review of about a dozen experts around the world and kind of incorporated their feedback and came up with a data set of 323 campaigns of nonviolent and violent action worldwide from that period. Then we ran the numbers and the results kind of blew my mind. This is actually updated data through 2014 to show you that the results are still relevant. But basically the nonviolent campaigns were outperforming the violent ones by about two to one in terms of full success. We also created a mid-level measure, which for all my related arguments today I'm going to consider failures, but that are coded as limited success, meaning that they might have achieved say de facto autonomy rather than full independence in the case of territorial campaigns. But that the violent campaigns were failing far more often than is commonly thought. Another thing that was really striking is that these trends are really increasing over time. What you can see here is that while violent insurgency onsets were kind of peeking out in the 1960s and 70s, after that there's been a sea change in the sort of method of choice for civilian-based opposition movements such that nonviolent resistance is becoming far more frequent in its onsets and violent insurgency is declining significantly in terms of new campaigns. Another thing is that the trends of success are changing over time such that nonviolent resistance in the past 40 years has become increasingly effective and violent insurgency is becoming increasingly ineffective. For a person like me, this raises a huge question, why is this happening? Another kind of tangential question is why didn't I ever hear about this before? Basically, Maria and I drilled down into the data. The thing that really struck out is the fact that basically nonviolent campaigns often feature such large and diverse mobilization potential that they are able to activate a number of different points of political power that are not often available to the average violent insurgency. So the large and diverse nature of nonviolent campaigns allows them to disrupt the status quo and start to change and transform power. Now, the idea that the more people that participate and in uprising, the more likely the uprising is to succeed is not something unique to Maria's and my study. There's a colleague of several of us here named Mark Likbach who in his book, The Rebel's Dilemma had speculated something he calls the 5% rule, which is to say that no government can withstand a challenge of just 5% of its population. That level of mobilization in any society is going to prove very difficult for a government to manage. And many other people have basically pointed out that numbers matter, Joe DiNardo and many others. But what Maria and I found is that the average nonviolent campaign tends to field something like 11 times more people as a proportion of the overall population than the average violent campaign. And actually the only campaigns in our data set that surpassed Mark Likbach's 5% rule were nonviolent ones. In terms of people actively participating at the peak of the campaign. The reason why we think that nonviolent campaigns are more large and diverse is basically because there are a number of lower barriers to participation in them. The first lower barrier to participation is simply a lower physical barrier, which is to say that many of the tactics available to people participating in nonviolent campaigns are easy to do and don't require any prior physical training prowess or agility. For example, I used to take military science classes because I thought in college that I might finance my education through ROTC. And so I enrolled in the classes and then I was going to go and participate in the physical training. Well, I soon found out that meant I had to get up at 4.30 in the morning and run for like 10 miles. I didn't want to do it so I quit it, right? And this is a very trivial kind of stupid example, but the reality is that organized armed activity requires people who are physically able and physically willing to prepare themselves and dispose themselves in situations that are physically challenging. For nonviolent campaigns, there are many alternative options that make participation available to a much wider range of the population, including those with physical disabilities, but also the elderly population, youth, and so forth. For example, one extremely powerful technique of nonviolent action is for everybody to stay home and sit on their couch for three days. Now, if everybody in a major city sits at home for three days when they ordinarily would not do that, this is going to shut down that city's economy and it's going to create change. Anybody can do it. In fact, some people might like to do that and take a little break. So these types of physical, lower physical barriers allow people like this to engage in methods of nonviolent action that aren't otherwise available to oppositional movements. There's also a lower commitment barrier. And by this, I don't mean commitment to the cause, but I mean barriers to entry and barriers to exit. So for armed action, it's very difficult to know how to get into the group unless you know somebody who's actively engaged. And then once you're in the group, it's hard to get out, especially if you've committed what's equivalent to murder in your society. Once people have joined armed groups, the armed group becomes their protection. It's hard to get out. So it's going to be a major life choice. You're not going to have a ton of casual participants in these types of movements. For nonviolent campaigns, there's plenty of room for casual participants. And in fact, most people who participate in these campaigns don't have to leave behind their entire lives and their families and their friends in order to do so. Although that's sometimes the case for upper echelon leadership or so forth. There are also lower informational barriers. And by this, I mean that all oppositional campaigns have something of a communication problem. They all want everybody to think they're huge. Violent insurgencies want people to think they're huge by launching armed actions and allowing them to create demonstration effects that attract more people to the fray. Nonviolent campaigns have less of a problem of clandestine attraction because many of the techniques of nonviolent action are deliberately visible so that people think that they're huge. So just take this as an example.  You live in a really repressive country. And your neighbor comes to you and your close friends. And your neighbor says to you, tonight we're going to have a demonstration down the street at 8 o'clock. And I know that we have talked a little bit about how you feel about the current regime and so forth. And so I hope that you're there. Just know that there will probably be police. But here's a little map with an escape route and hope to see you there tonight. Now if you're like me, you're not going to be the person who shows up at 7.55, right? And is sort of like, I'm here, where's everybody else? I'm probably going to be the person who looks out my window at 8.30, 8.45 and sees what's going on. And if I see six people down there in the square, I'm going to sit this one out. That's just me. But if I see 6,000 people and more coming down the way, that looks like a big party and I'm probably going to go. And I'll probably stay in the middle because that's where you don't get hurt. The more people there are, the bigger the middle is, right? So what happens is that the more people who join, in my mind I can do the probability calculation of how likely it is that I'm going to be hurt. And this kind of creates this kind of critical mass dynamic that you often see punctuating the end of these nonviolent uprisings. The last lower barrier to participation is a lower cognitive barrier, which is just to say, the participants in nonviolent action do not have to override the many cognitive inhibitors there are to offensive violence in the typical human brain. So why do numbers matter so much? They don't just matter because they swell into these huge moments of crisis where all of a sudden they melt the hearts of the opponent. That's not at all what we see when we look in these data. Instead we tested out a series of hypotheses that were derived from Gene Sharp's work on this topic. And Gene Sharp had drawn on Hannah Arendt's notion that obedience to authority is really the critical source of power in any given society. That there's no such thing as a monolithic power that is kind of permanent. And has a continuous source of authority in society. Instead the key idea here is that no power is monolithic and no power is permanent. And in fact every source of power, whether it be a CEO or whether it be a dictator or whether it be a foreign occupation, et cetera, is 100% dependent on the reliance, obedience, and help of people that reside in various pillars of support. So for example, they're relying on the obedience of their security forces, on their state media, on religious authorities, on business elites and economic elites, educational elites, those pillars that kind of make up the society and continue to obey the power holder in ways that allow it to sustain its power. Now the idea here is that the more people who participate in a campaign and the wider ranging their own allegiances are, the more likely they are to have access to and be able to put pressure on people who reside in those pillars of support to create moments of crisis where those people reevaluate what their own long-term interests are. This does not require the movement to have moral authority. It just requires the movement to build political power and relationships. So let me give you a very concrete example of when this has happened. In 2000, there was a mass movement in Serbia, which was later called the bulldozer revolution, because different construction workers brought bulldozers into downtown Belgrade to remove the barricades that had been set up to keep protesters out. The protests were in opposition to fraudulent elections that were orchestrated by Slobodan Milosevic, who many people think of as the butcher of the Balkans. This movement ended up with a key moment of hundreds of thousands of people descending on Belgrade in October of 2000 to make him go out. And what happened is that many of the protesters had seized or stolen police radios and were listening as the orders came through in crowd control and other things. Basically, they heard the order come over as the key moment came as the protesters approached the parliament for the police and the internal security forces to shoot live fire into the protesters. They also saw that none of them did it. So there was this moment where the activists knew that the order had come down and that the police were disobeying. And that's when they knew that the game was over. Now, in later days, journalists, activists, and researchers interviewed some of these police and asked them, why did you disobey the order? And they said, I saw my kid in the crowd, or I saw my neighbor's kid in the crowd, or I saw the guy who sells me liquor on Saturdays in the crowd. And what happened is because of the sheer size of the campaign, it became so that the people who were in these pillars of support knew that their own lives would be shaped by the decision they made in that moment. And they decided, all of them at the same time, that they didn't want to be the people who were cast aside in the society that they saw inevitably coming to pass. So there were key defections in these moments, and those defections made all the difference in the world. Sometimes it's not possible to have security forces defect. South Africa is an example where the security forces, for whatever reason, were never going to defect, but economic and business elites did. And so the key is to find the pillars of support that are the most influential and through which the power sustains itself, and all of them can be vulnerable to change. We tested this hypothesis and indeed found that as nonviolent campaigns get larger, they are far more likely to bring about defections or disobedience in security forces. Whereas as violent campaigns get larger, it doesn't make as much of an impact. Now sometimes, of course, security forces do shoot into the crowds. And even in those cases, we still find the nonviolent campaigns having a two-to-one advantage. The question is why? We think there are two reasons. The first is that we find a generalized pattern that repression against people who are unarmed generally is more likely to produce backfire, which is simply the dynamic where people are so outraged by the violence against unarmed people that they actually swell in numbers and actually try to protest precisely because of the repression that takes place. But the second reason, which I think might be even more powerful, is that because of their size, there's a very wide array of methods available to nonviolent movements that allow them to maneuver around repression in key moments. There are generally two groups of methods that we talk about, or at least that I talk about. One is methods of concentration. That's when you have the demonstration or the protest in a particular place. It's very disruptive. It assembles mass. It's useful to draw attention and draw journalists and you get the pictures in the papers. But they're also very vulnerable to repression. It's easy to surround them. And if movements do them day after day, it becomes very predictable and perhaps dangerous. But then there are methods of dispersion. And that's when people stay away from places they are expected to go. Remember the sitting in your house for three days example. So here we see a general strike paired with a stay at home demonstration. Now these security forces are probably getting paid overtime to stand out there in the sun. So it's costing the opponent something to have this tactic where nobody's going to get hurt. Very large movements are able to shift to these disruptive tactics and have just as much disruption potential as they would if they assembled mass in a key position. In fact, one of the best examples of this switch in sequence is from the Iranian Revolution, the one from 77 to 79. The last hundred days of it called the Hundred Days of Revolution featured about 90 days of street protests, demonstrations and rallies. Thousands of people were killed in those demonstrations in that first 90 days. And in the last 10 days, the oil workers decided to go on strike. They stayed at home. And the internal security forces went door to door, dragged them back out into the streets, marched them to the oil fields and when they got there they worked at half pace. The second day the same thing happened. Oil workers stay home, security forces go door to door, march the people back to the oil fields, they work at half pace. After day three or four of this, security forces start calling in sick. The reason is because it's a very personal kind of violence and they also make the calculation which was erroneous but they didn't know that they were not going to get there over time because the oil fields were pumping at half pace. Within a few more days the Shah fled the country and the regime collapsed. So as I wrap up, I just want to point out a couple of different longer term impacts. So I've talked about very discrete moments where say a leader flees or a country achieves independence but we know that not everything is great in every country after these things happen. Iran itself is perhaps a cautionary tale. So Maria and I were very interested in what happens in these countries after success. And what we find is that actually a couple of things, first of all far fewer people have died in the course of the campaign even if it fails. The second thing is that it's far more likely that the country emerges as a democracy as coded by the polity data set within five years compared with violent insurgencies. And it's also true that these countries are about 15% less likely to relapse into civil war years controlling for other factors that bring about that outcome. And so we're finding that not only are nonviolent resistance campaigns more effective in the short term but they bring forth different longer term impacts that make these societies more peaceful and more politically open places to live. So what I would argue is that for people like me these were very difficult findings to uncover because they fly in the face of many of the types of conventional wisdoms that I had been raised with and that I'd been learned to think about in my field. And so it really points to understanding and unpacking the nature of power. I thought power flowed from the barrel of a gun but it may flow from consent and obedience and that places a very different emphasis on the types of subjects we study. It also places a different emphasis on the role of civilians in conflict. Many people have always in my field studied civilians as either just victims that suffer at the whims of the governments that rule over them or as resources to loot in the context of a civil war but few people think of them as active agents making decisions that can drive processes that alter their lives in ways that they actually have some control over. And so it really kind of brings back into my mind a real difficult tension between structure and agency. To what effect are institutions and situations forcing people to use violence for example or are there realistic alternatives to violence and I believe that this research suggests that there are. For policy implications I think there are also some key questions. The first question of course is whom to support. This one is still open for debate in the United States as our government right now considers revamping its support to Syrian rebels. Now certainly it's the case as we know from prior research that supporting rebel movements often gives them a strategic advantage in their conflicts. And we know from our data that when violent rebels receive support from outside states they're about 15% more likely to succeed. However we also know that when they win they are much less likely to create democratic governments. They are much more likely to commit various human rights abuses both during the struggle and after. And countries in which rebel groups have been victorious are much more vulnerable to relapse into civil war. As the people who they depose fight a life and death struggle against them and many of these countries end up falling into the conflict trap in ways that are very difficult for them to get out of. And so if it's true that the United States government stands for democracy stability and human rights then providing guns and money to armed movements is not the best way to spread those things according to our data. That said it's not the case that providing direct support to nonviolent movements helps them either. In fact what we found in our data is that when governments provided finances to nonviolent campaigns it had no visible impact on their success rates. First of all it was pretty rare in our data even if it's becoming more common now. But secondly there was no net impact positive or negative and my guess is that because these campaigns are so dependent on the popular legitimacy of their participants that providing support from outside may undermine that level of popular support and create free rider effects. So the question is okay if state support isn't the way to go about it then what are the alternatives? And I'm actually undertaking a research study now with Maria. It's our next thing where we try to evaluate the types of external support that have been provided to nonviolent campaigns over the past 25 years and the impacts if we can discern them on those types of support and types of supporters on the outcomes of these campaigns both short and long term. Now my hypothesis on this is that we're going to find that civilian led instruments are much more effective because if it's true that agency matters and that people are making choices that alter the course of their conflicts then things like training, skills, preparation and knowledge about how to wage nonviolent struggle effectively are going to make a much more difference than whether the movement gets money or whether it gets diplomatic cover from foreign governments. That's my working hypothesis but we may also find that there aren't any types of external support that are helpful and we may indeed identify some that do great harm. So with that what I'm going to do is just re-identify the three basic findings here. The first is that nonviolent resistance has been surprisingly effective even in contexts where we wouldn't expect it to even be possible. The second thing which we detail much more carefully in our book is that this is true in a variety of contexts and even when we control for conditions and factors that might predispose societies to using nonviolent resistance over violent resistance. And then the third major finding is that the way that one fights largely influences the way that one rules when one wins. And so for those that are wishing to change their circumstances in radical ways it's worth thinking not just about the short-term victories but also the types of societies they're trying to create. We find considerable empirical evidence to support the notion that short-term violent victories lay the groundwork for long-term violent societies. And because of that I'm very excited that this century is actually going to provide what you read about in the news today very much Gandhi's century. And I hope that this generates some exciting discussion. Questions are great, insults are fine. And at least at the very least I hope I've disturbed you enough to make you think about nonviolent resistance a little more. Thank you. I'm going to use this one and I can use the putty on it. Sure. Thank you. Does it work? Sure. Hello, can everyone hear me? Yeah. Great. Thank you again Dr. Shenoweth for agreeing to speak to us here at the Ford School. My name is Brenda DuVerse and I'm a second year master of public policy student here. And the first question we have for you today is besides the number of participants did you discover any other key ingredient to a successful nonviolent movement? It's a great question. And we did several qualitative case studies and I'm continuing this work. And what I can tell you from knowing the case as well is that there generally are four different attributes of successful campaigns. The first is of course large and diverse participation. The second is the ability to create loyalty shifts within different pillars of support in the opponent. So whether that's security forces or economic elites changes place to place but it can be powerful moment of leverage for these campaigns. The third thing is whether the campaigns have innovative and creative tactical sequences. That is to say, are they just doing every Friday a demonstration? Or are they alternating between demonstrations and other kind of innovative techniques like say strikes or flash mobs or other types of things that are drawing in participants keeping pressure on the opponent and also creating those loyalty shifts. And then the fourth element is the degree to which the campaign is able to unify a response to repression. As we know from work by your very own Christian Davenport, my friend here, as governments start to feel more threatened, they start to crack down more, right? And so the question is how does the movement respond? What we find from our data and a forthcoming paper I have with Kurt Schach is that campaigns that are able to mobilize a unified and disciplined response and maintain nonviolent action in the face of this repression are much more likely to succeed than campaigns that split or divide along the lines of people who want to do violent action and people want to do nonviolent action or who turn to violence altogether. So those are the four things, participation, loyalty shifts, tactical shifts, and responses to repression that are disciplined. Alright, my name is Tanner Cooper and I am a senior in the undergraduate program here at the Ford School, and I've been focused on expanding healthcare for low-income Americans. But our next question to you is how did your research address movements such as Black Lives Matter or Occupy Wall Street that don't have explicit or agreed upon goals? And was there like a measure of success in shifting the conversation or how did your research go about that? Yeah, so we explicitly collected data on maximalist goals. My understanding at the time was that those would be more difficult to achieve. I've since thought more cleanly about that and I think actually it might be the opposite, that it might be more difficult to achieve some reform goals in highly pluralistic societies. And so Occupy Wall Street and really more Occupy Wall Street is an example of how that can be a real challenge. I think Black Lives Matter actually has a very clear set of goals. I think that despite the fact that they don't enter into our data set because of the nature of these campaigns, that the four attributes I just described of successful maximalist campaigns apply just as well to basically any type of reform campaign. So the larger and more diverse the participation. The ability to respond to increasing brutality with discipline. The ability to create changes within the political elites, the economic elites, and with potential third party supporters. And the ability to create incredibly creative and innovative tactics that keep the opponent off balance are all things that would make for a successful movement here as in anywhere else. And I actually think that Black Lives Matter, as far as I can tell, is performing very well on all of those points. Next question. Your research focused on resistance to dictatorial regimes in a general way. Do you have any evidence that non-violence resistance works in the face of active genocide or full-skill attacks? Yeah, it's a great question. I don't have any clear evidence on those cases specifically, although I know many people who have now undertaken studies to find out exactly what's possible in the context of genocide or mass killings of that scale. What I can tell you is that I am working on a project with my colleague Evan Prakowski where we're looking at whether nonviolent campaigns are as likely to provoke mass killings and genocide as violent insurgencies, and we find that they are not by a long shot. So if your question is what's kind of the safest technique to use in terms of, you know, provoking or creating a moment where mass killing is likely, nonviolent campaigns are clearly much less likely to create that environment than violent insurgencies. In terms of nonviolent campaigns that have occurred in the context of mass killing and genocide, there are cases. There are some famous cases out of Germany, the Rosenstrasza protests, by women who were married to Jewish men, German women who were married to Jewish men who successfully protested for their return from concentration camps in front of the SS office in the Rosenstrasza in Berlin. This was late in the stage of the war. There was also the cases of the Danish resistance to the Nazis and Norwegian resistance, the teacher's strike, for example, that were moderately, modestly effective methods of resistance. And, you know, my sense is that when regimes are committed to genocidal action against people, that really nonviolent or violent resistance are very difficult in those environments. And so I'm not sure that violent resistance gets people further in those environments when you're talking about collective action. So that's my sense right now. We need to know more about this for sure. There's at least one dissertation that came out of this school by a guy named Chris Sullivan who evaluated the archives of Guatemalan internal police and found a very sophisticated network of disruption of political opposition in that country among leftist groups. But there was also a civil war going on at the time, so it's difficult to untangle the impacts of the nonviolent versus the violent resistance there. All right. Our next question is, how can U.S. foreign policy help to promote nonviolent movements over violent rebellions in repressive states? It's a good question that I've been thinking a lot about. I think, first of all, it would be useful to develop just less faith in the tool of promoting armed resistance. Like, first things first, let's come to terms with the fact that this hasn't worked out very well in U.S. foreign policy. And I think that's necessary before even the idea comes that there are other alternatives that can make sense. Certainly I think that kind of gleefully jumping to back-armed actors in conflict zones is something that the U.S. has been not so great with. The Arab Spring is like a great example. The U.S. was extremely ambivalent about all of the popular movements that emerged during that time, but as soon as armed actors developed in Libya, it was like, finally, some people who are speaking our language, like, let's go and support the TNC and we'll support them with the NATO intervention and the whole nine yards. And I think that what happened then in Syria, for example, was that there were many people in the Syrian National Council and in other parts of the opposition in the summer of 2011 that saw what was happening in Libya and thought, we can have that here, too. And so what that did was it created much more risky behavior on the behalf of defectors who basically took their weapons with them to Turkey and thought that if there was an armed campaign in Syria that the Western countries would likewise support them with an armed intervention. And they miscalculated, big time, right? But I think that when we do that, we send the message that we reward armed action and we don't really know what to do with an armed action. I was in Kosovo doing research on the nonviolent resistance to the war between 1989 and 1998. And when I was talking to a few of the interview subjects, they mentioned that the leader of the LDK, a guy named Ibrahim Rugova, was very excited when the date and peace accords were sort of put on the international agenda and thought this is our movement to bring up Kosovo. And he was shocked and dismayed when he discovered that the Kosovo Albanians were not allowed to attend and were not invited to attend. And he asked a French diplomat, what's the deal? Why aren't we, as a nonviolent democratic movement, coming to the date and peace accords? And the diplomat said, take a look around the table.  That's who gets to come, right? And so the message over and over is we reward armed action and we ignore nonviolent action. So I think the first thing versus to stop rewarding armed action, especially in negotiations, and make sure that civil society groups and leaders get their rightful place at the table. Great. This is our first question from Twitter. And the question is, how does the study distinguish violence and nonviolence elements in a movement? Yeah, that's a great question. So the way that we... This is a question that has a lot of detail to it as you might imagine. And so we have an online appendix that's free for our book that you can get on by going to my website, ericochennowith.com, and going to research. And you can download it. It's about 300 pages of it. It's a PDF. And it lists all of the decisions that we made around coding something as nonviolent versus violent. But the short answer is that we looked at the primary techniques of action that were used and whether the primary participants in the campaign were unarmed civilians. And if that was true, then we coded it as primarily nonviolent campaign. As I mentioned, we drew the violent campaigns from the correlates of war data set. And there the definition is simply that armed actions have been taken by a nonstate group that resulted in at least 100 deaths on both sides. And basically what we did with kind of middle of the road cases where we used those international experts that I mentioned to help us adjudicate between whether we should call something nonviolent or nonviolent with a violent flank, because there are some cases like, say, South Africa where it was primarily nonviolent during the final phase, but there was also some armed action going on. And so we often coded those cases as nonviolent with a violent flank. There are about 29% of our cases of nonviolent action that fit that description. And when that was the case, what we did was we often estimated our models both with kind of the ideal types and then we also controlled for whether there was a kind of violent flank element to it. Kurt Schock in my paper actually unpacks that much more. And what we find, as I mentioned, is that the nonviolent campaigns that feature some violent flanks are generally less effective than the nonviolent campaigns that are nonviolent primarily. So that's how we did it. There are some judgment calls involved, but I encourage you to look at the numbers and the data and see what you think. All right, so our next question is basically asking if you would mind discussing the role of leadership in the success of nonviolent versus violent resistance because leaders clearly matter, but do they matter in different ways or are there characteristics that are most important? Just how does leadership play a role in nonviolent resistance? Yeah, I think this is an area for continual study. Our NAVCO 2.0 data set actually does have a variable that looks at whether leadership is kind of coordinated and centralized or whether it's diffused or like a leaderless resistance. We didn't require that there had to be a single figurehead, which my guess is that that's actually fairly dangerous for nonviolent movements to have a single leader. But we did look at whether they had a specific leadership structure such that there were authorities within the campaign that could essentially spell out the rules of participation and move the campaign and maneuver it in key ways so that it wasn't just willy-nilly everybody's doing what they want. And what we found just in a very simple correlation is that the campaigns that are able to manage more of a discernible leadership structure of that type generally have a higher success rate than those that are leaderless in nature. And my sense is it's related a little bit to what I mentioned about the kind of key factors for success, things like creating loyalty shifts and being able to maneuver around repression when things get very bloody. Those are things that require coordination, that require legitimacy from within the movement leadership, and those two things are very difficult to have when you just have a leaderless resistance because then it's sort of everybody fending for themselves. But like I said, this requires much more inquiry. There's a lot of work in sociology on leadership and movements, and I think what I just mentioned accords somewhat with what the general conventional wisdom is now there, but there's obviously remaining controversies. Continuing with the discussion on leadership, do you feel that policymakers have been interested in and receptive to your work in the U.S. and at the U.N.? I think it's all over the map, and Gene Sharp was right. There's no monolithic government. It sort of depends on where they sit. It depends on what their own experience has been. I'd say if I have to put people into general categories, civilian defense officials are the most dubious. But to tell you the truth, uniform military are extremely receptive. It sort of depends on, I think, and to some extent what their own prior beliefs are about the sources of power. And yeah, I think that that has made a difference. I think actually, though, the largest kind of real-world impact that we've had relates much more to people that are involved in struggles. They're the ones I hear from the most, and who wish to talk about or learn more about what our findings really say for their contexts. That creates a lot of really interesting, kind of ethical dilemmas and implications that is another kind of unexpected result of this research. I've gotten to really look carefully about the meaning of research for real-world implications, the limits of research for real-world implications, the ways that people sort of interpret things or misinterpret things, and what my own responsibility is in spelling out what this work might mean for people. So it's been kind of an interesting ride with looking at the real-world implications and applications of this work, and my hope is that at least, as I said, bothers people to think a little bit more about the alternatives to violence, of which there are countless alternatives to violence as they approach their various conflicts. Is it common for violent campaigns to go nonviolent or vice versa? Is there any reason why and what is the nature of these campaigns? Yeah, so this is getting me back to my roots, which is why do these campaigns go violent in the first place? So here's the interesting thing. There are many examples of violent campaigns that have abandoned violence, but have not fully demobilized in the sense that they just stopped. There are actually a number of campaigns that turn to nonviolent civil resistance, seeing that they had run out of their violent options and wanted to try something that they thought at the time might be more effective. One of the most recent examples of this is the Maoist insurgency in Nepal, which in 2006 abandoned nonviolent struggle in a civil war to basically ride the coattails of an urban popular uprising that was using nonviolent resistance to force the monarch out. But there are other cases like South Africa, El Salvador, Palestine during the First Intifada, and many other cases where primarily violent resistance has been supplanted by civil resistance and often to great effect, East Timor is another very good example. On the reverse, the question of whether nonviolent campaigns turned to violence, well certainly most violent campaigns will tell you they started nonviolently. Many of them will say, well we tried nonviolent action and it didn't work so we went to violence. Now in looking at the cases of violent action in our data set, only 2% of them, 2% used civil resistance as we define it for more than nine months before they turned to violence. Now this is an important figure because what we find is that the average nonviolent campaign is about three years to run its course to either fail or succeed. And so to some extent, they might be jumping the gun a little bit. But another thing that we find about them is that most violent campaigns, including those that say they tried nonviolence, actually try something like organizing a political party or writing letters or having one protest that goes badly. And it's kind of interesting the double standard that's there because if there's a protest where say 30 people get killed by the police, many people say nonviolence doesn't work so we have to do violence. But if there's a violent episode where 30 people are killed, they would say our tactic isn't working so we need more and better violence. So what if when 30 people die we need more and better nonviolent action? And maybe a sense that nonviolent resistance as we find here doesn't work because it's morally right. It works when people are able to wield real political power. And so I think that the sense that the moral dimension of nonviolence is what distinguishes it from violence has actually made people falsely believe that it could achieve things that it can't in very short terms. And so the more we can do to debunk this and to disseminate knowledge that this is about politics and not about right and wrong per se, I think the easier it will be for people to understand that the one-off protest where 30 people die doesn't mean the end of the potential of nonviolent resistance in that case. Great. Continuing off the discussion of violence, the question we have is how would nonviolence work with ISIS and what practical lessons from your research could be applied to combat? Yeah, so I don't know how nonviolent resistance works against ISIS right now, in part because ISIS is a very amorphous, kind of shadowy presence right now in much of the places where it's governing. But I can tell you that the more that ISIS starts to look like ISIS, the more it starts to look like that, right? And so when it starts to look like that, there are more opportunities for there to be sustained nonviolent resistance against the structures that it develops to rule. ISIS doesn't just want to win combat victories, it wants to rule, and so that creates longer-term opportunities for thinking about it like that. In the meantime, we can think about ISIS as having kind of four basic categories of participants. There are the true believers. There are the psychopaths, to be frank. There are opportunists who are people who are flocking to the scene because they see their own short-term material interests as being benefited by that. And then I would argue now there's a fourth category of what you might call coerced people. And this is people who live in villages in Iraq or in Syria who, when ISIS conquers the village, they come to all the men in the village and assemble them in line and say, the first one, are you with us or against us?  And he says, I'm with you. And it's made up a lot of people like that right now. And so even now it's not fully monolithic and I think that presents an important opportunity to see that people are joining for various different reasons and have various different short- and long-term commitments to the movement as it stands now. So I don't have a very good answer. I suspect that if I did, I'd be much busier than I am now. But I would just say that many of us are used to thinking in very short-term bits. Maybe the news cycle or something else has brought us to thinking about it that way. But I think in terms of three, five, ten-year increments of what the political scene might look like. And I don't see ISIS as developing a lot of local legitimacy and I think that makes them quite vulnerable to challenges from below in future years. All right. So our next question is how does your research translate to a more local level? We're talking unions, factory workers, community activists. How does it translate to the local level? Yeah. Again, I think that the sort of four features of success apply no matter what the scale is, really. There was a student that came to a workshop that I was participating in who was a student at Swarthmore University and he thought, okay, so what we'll do is get 30% of the student body to sit in at the Board of Trustees meeting and force them to divest from fossil fuels. And they had like a whole long conflict and my understanding is that it turned out pretty well for them. So the sense is like, you know, any campaign that mobilizes a sustained number of people over a particular threshold, say three and a half percent or so, is probably going to make a pretty big impact on whatever their environment, even if it's on the very local level. So I think that that's something that translates no matter what. This question focuses on North Korea and countries similar to North Korea. How does nonviolence begin in countries with oppressive regimes and the control of information is so great that a civil resistance movement cannot effectively start organically? Yeah, it's a great question. So I've become increasingly dubious that countries that look from the outside like they have total information control really do just because there's so many incidents like even East Germany. I mean people sort of look back on East Germany now knowing what we know now and they're like, oh, they didn't have a lot of information control. They were totally vulnerable the whole time. It was just a matter of time until they collapsed totally. But I think in the mid-80s and the late 70s, people thought about East Germany as kind of similar to how they think about North Korea now. We have hindsight bias with a lot of the cases where nonviolent resistance succeeds and because it succeeds, we rewrite the way we thought about it before as if it was an easy place for nonviolent resistance to emerge. I don't know what's going to happen in North Korea, but generally what we see in many countries is processes and practices, what James Scott the anthropologist calls everyday forms of resistance, which is things like foot dragging or the refusal to obey and kind of typical social conventions or refusing to buy from a particular fruit seller that engages in corrupt practices or whatever. These things kind of happen and the more they're routinized in practice, the more people approach a level of what Doug Adams calls cognitive liberation, which is just to say, this whole system is just kind of bogus. Now that I've realized this and I can see that some of my fellows also realize this, I can't unrealize that. That makes the moment inevitable where people will rise up and challenge what they think now to be a totally fabricated system. And one of the best books on that process of cognitive liberation is one by Doug McAdam called Political Process and the Development of Black Insurgency about the Civil Rights Movement and another one he wrote called Freedom Summer, which is about the process of just minds being opened and changed and then never being able to put the genie back in the bottle when it comes to understanding what's available to people and their own agency in achieving it. Alright, so this is going to be our last question and I just wanted to say thank you again so much for coming and talking with us today. It's been an absolute pleasure, but for our final question, what is the threshold of violence and oppression that a nonviolent resistance group can endure before they start transitioning towards violent resistance or breakdown? We don't know precisely what the number is. I think there are good reasons not to find out. I'm not up for like noble lies or anything, but there are reasons why there are certain types of questions that one wouldn't necessarily want to inquire about and publish about, right? But my sense is that the Iranian Revolution was pretty bad. I mean there were thousands of people killed in the streets at a pace that was much more intense even than what was happening in Syria in the first nine months, if you can imagine. I think that, you know, cases like Syria approach kind of the threshold level. I'm not sure if it was inevitable that that campaign turned to violence, but the nonviolent moment in that campaign's life cycle endured quite a lot before the campaign sort of basically fell apart and was undermined by regional geopolitics and so forth. I think that a lot matters on who's part of the conflict, like is it an internationalized conflict? Who's backing the regime? And also who's backing the movement? Has it become so that it's a proxy fight between different international players? If so, the people on the ground are going to be subject to a lot more things outside their control, I think, than if it remains kind of localized in a national struggle. So I don't know. I mean, East Timor, about 50% of that country was killed in the course of the Civil War, which is wild to think about. Yet they were able to effectively mobilize a nonviolent campaign in the face of continual violence by the Indonesian occupation. So I don't know. I mean, I think sometimes there are situations where it's unimaginable and then there's a case that pops out where it was fine, not fine, but where they won, right, in the end. And so what I would say is that kind of bolding the Quaker economists used to say what exists is possible and we know it exists even in contexts where we wouldn't expect it to and therefore it's possible. I just, I wanted to give a special thanks to Erica for a very appropriate and important conversation for our 2015th Rosenthal lecture. I'd also like to thank all of you for all of your questions and for joining us today. I hope you'll stay and continue the conversation. We do have a reception just outside in our great hall. And I hope that you'll come back and join us for future policy talks events. The next one is on Friday. We have Ambassador Thomas Miller who will be our speaker and his topic is on the nexus of diplomacy and development. But if you go to our website we have a full calendar and I encourage you to do so. And so please join me in a final round of thank you to our speaker.


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Tonight, the Cavalcade of America inaugurates its 10th season with a notable series of radio plays, which I believe will provide you, Cavalcade's audience, with the finest possible in radio entertainment. The DuPont company invited me to be your host for this series, and I was glad to accept to be able to add what I can to your enjoyment of the play's plan. There will be plays of yesterday and of today, of men and women celebrated and little known, of heroes, scientists, adventurers, yet all real people brought to you from that endless living pageant which we here call the Cavalcade of America. Tonight you will hear one of your favorite players, and mine as well, Miss Roslyn Russell, as Julia Ward Howe, in a play entitled Him from the Night. And in the weeks ahead you will listen to such plays as Valley Forge, written by the distinguished playwright Maxwell Anderson, or to the Girl Lincoln Love, written by Norman Cohen. And starting these fine plays will be such actors as Bob Hope, Walter Pigeon, Edwin G. Robertson, Jerry Cullona, Francis Langford, Clark Gable, and other notables of the theatre and motion pictures. Today our nation, foremost among free nations, is proudly discovering and recording its present and its past. I think this radio series will prove to be a fine contribution to such a record. And now tonight's Cavalcade play, Him from the Night, written by Robert Tormann and starring Miss Roslyn Russell as Julia Ward Howe. Our story is about a woman and a song to become a battle cry of wrath, a battle cry of freedom, in the bloodiest war the new world had known. The American war between the United States, Boston, Massachusetts, peacetime, the year 1856. The boys is headed for the column. If he doesn't stop this time, shoot the kill! Is it bossy after a band of outlaws? No.  They are enforcing the law of the land, the fugitive slave law. The old serene way of life still goes on in Boston and in houses like that one, for instance, that proud mansion surrounded by ancient and beautiful oaks, there's a lamp burning in the parlor window. The gentile lady sits at the piano. Oh, I didn't hear you come in. Have you heard the news, Julia? Oh, I know. What happened? There was rioting mobs in the street. Rioting? What about? The fugitive slave law. The people of Boston aren't going to stand for it. Oh, I was afraid of this. And that's not all. If the slave states continue trying to impose their rotten system on states that don't want it, we'll carry the fight to their own territory. Yes, I never heard you talk like this before. And what will I have done to help, Julia? Well, what will I leave behind me but a few mediocre poems? Well, Dr. Holmes doesn't think your poems are mediocre. He was saying only this evening. He considered you one of the finest poets writing in America today. These are sterile times for writers, Chev. Somehow, nothing we do seems equal to the problems around us. And so we do nothing. Julia, there was a man at Dr. Holmes who talked in a way that made me wonder.  He did something. John Brown. You net John Brown. Then it's true he is in Boston. I want to meet him, Chev. You must arrange it. No. No, you mustn't meet that old man, Julia. But why not? Well, for one thing, he's an outlaw. However much you may admire his courage, he's still a murderer, Julia. Remember the psalm, Chev? I break the jaws of the wicked and plucked out their teeth. Was that man a murderer? Those were violent times.  They were shooting today in the streets of this peaceful city. You said it yourself. It's come at last, Chev. To us, here in our little quiet lives. I stopped by to see if you'd need me this evening, ma'am. Well, I don't think you should leave the house after dark like this, Agnes. Well, nothing happened to me, ma'am. I got my free papers right here in my apron pocket. Anybody tries to get them away from me is going to have a fight on their hands. Well, all right, Agnes. But do be careful. I'll hurry right back, ma'am. And don't you go up in the door to no strangers. I won't. I've already gone. You did say... I was bitten to come to this house, ma'am. I am John Brown. Oh, well, Dr. Howe isn't it home just now? Perhaps it was God's will that I should speak to you, ma'am. Oh, well, come in, Mr. Brown. I thank you, ma'am. I'm afraid I can't offer you much hospitality. I'm here all alone this evening. Sit down, won't you? Thank you. I... I've heard so much about the great work you are doing in the cause of a abolishing slavery, Mr. Brown. I am only the instrument of God's will, ma'am. Much blood will be spilled before the sins of slavery shall be washed away. I pray that is not so, Mr. Brown. Pray that God's will be done, ma'am. And work, work in God's vineyard. This much at least you can do. Look at these hands, Mr. Brown. Are these hands of such a worker? If it is God's will, then they shall be. I am a writer, Mr. Brown. Oh, not a writer of great cadences and majestic prophecies, such as your work demands. Poems.  Words. Words have one great battle, ma'am. Not my kind of words. I see that you are a great lover of life, ma'am. The arms of death are closing around me. I leave much behind me. God's work unfinished. If I could make you see your work as God has given me to see. What is it? What do you want me to see? Glory, glory beyond this corporeal frame. My eyes have seen it, madam. If it is God's will that you too shall see it when the time comes. The day of wrath are at hand. Blood and blood alone will wash out the sins of slavery. Mr. Brown, your words disturb me profoundly. I pray that when you leave this house that these disturbing thoughts will go with you, and yet I fear I know in my heart that they will remain there. Year 1856. In Washington on the floor of the United States Senate, Representative Brooks of South Carolina approaches the desk of trial Sumner, Senior Senator from Massachusetts. Senator Sumner, sir? Oh, Mr. Brooks, come back later will you? I have to finish with it and then we can talk. Words cannot express the message I have for you, Sumner, but I believe the head of this cane will serve. Brooks, you must be Brooks! Brooks, what are you doing? Get that cane away from him! Somebody do something! I am the one! Something that should have been me! Turn around! One was right, Chev. The day of wrath is at hand. Words can't turn the tide of anger back. Not anymore. There's still hope, Julia. Not all the Southern leaders are as violent as Brooks. You can't fight a thing like slavery with words. Senator Sumner fought with words. They silenced him with a club. John Brown uses words too, but he backs him up with a saber. A man like that speaks even from the grave. You mustn't see that old man again, Julia. He's wild. He's bad for people. Promise me you won't see him again. I don't think I shall see him again here. Maybe we should take a little vacation. Go far away from here. Some place away from all this war talk. What do you say to that, Julia? No, Chev. There's no use trying to turn our backs on history. Sooner or later, it'll catch up with us. The day is march on, my dear. The days of wrath. There's nobody now. Not even that wild old man with the strength to call retreat. John Brown, you have been found guilty of treason. Conspiring with the slaves to rebel and of murder in the first degree. Have you anything to say why sentence should not be pronounced upon you? This is the account in the traveler I wanted to read, Chev. Brown then rose and faced the courtroom. I have, he said. May it please the court a few words to say. Had I interfered in the manner which I admit has been fairly proved. Had I so interfered in behalf of the powerful, the intelligent, the so-called great, or in behalf of any of their friends, and suffered and sacrificed what I have in this interference, it would have been deemed all right. But because I did what I have done in the name of those who are helpless and oppressed, it has been called by another name. Well, it's over now. The old man made a heroic stand, a violent bloodshed. That's not the way. I wonder how his wife took the news. She lost three sons in Kansas the same way. There's only one more tragedy in a life full of tragedies. She'll be all right. Well, I'm going to make sure she's all right. I'm going to see her today. But you've never even met her, do you? We have at least one friend in common, Shev. John Brown. John Brown is dead, Julia. You must put all these things out of your mind. You can't help that old woman. And Brown himself is beyond anyone's power to help. I know, Shev, you're absolutely right. I wish I could forget the whole thing. But it's as if a voice was speaking inside of me, telling me I must remember. Remember things I never even knew. Julia, I'm a dull sort of fellow when it comes to understanding what goes on inside a poet's mind. Even if a poet happens to be my wife. But I do know something about what makes people become ill.  Then so be it. When John Brown left this house, he left me with a stealing of destiny. Something I must do, something I must see. I don't even know what it is. But I shall never rest again until I find out. You are listening to Rosalind Russell in Him from the Night on the Cavalcade of America, sponsored by the E.I. DuPont Dinamoire's and Company of Wilmington, Delaware, maker of better things for better living through chemistry. Once again, he was Cavalcade's host, Walter Houston. Peace time in the year 1859. The American nation lies in the path of storm, and Americans, North and South, troubled, fearful, prepare to meet disaster. In the quiet city of Boston, Julia Ward-Howe has tried to shut out of the peaceful lies of herself and her family the growing terror and alarm, that the burning memory of a wrathful man disturbs her. The memory of John Brown. She seeks out his widow for some word that may put her troubled mind at ease. Good morning. You're Mrs. John Brown, aren't you? Yes. I'm Julia Howe. I met your husband. Oh, you're one of them. I don't understand. Why don't you leave me alone? Haven't you cost me enough grief? You and all the others, giving him money, aging him on to his death, and now denying you ever know. I'm not one of them, Mrs. Brown. Believe me, I'm not. Well, what do you want of me? May I come in and talk to you for just a moment? I ain't one to turn a stranger away from my dorm, Miss Howe. Perhaps you'd rather not talk about your husband, Mrs. Brown? I know there's must have been a terrible shock to you. Well, it didn't hurt so much to lose him.  He was a mighty proud man, Miss Howe. Yes, I know. He'd seen the glory for certain. There was no doubt of that, ma'am.  My eyes have seen it, he says to me. Glory beyond this caporial frame. Told you about it, ma'am? Well, yes, in a way. Tell me, did he ever mention meeting me? Yes. What did he say? Well, I'd rather not say, ma'am. So go ahead. I... Well, he says that as a woman knows how to use words, pity she don't see things more clear. Oh, well, I... I won't keep you any longer, Mrs. Brown. If there's anything I can do to help. Anything. Just... just keep your eyes open, Miss Howe. It's a blinding spirit that's the most harm in the world. When you see things clear the way my John wanted you to, you'll be able to do some for me. And all the folks like me. Abraham Lincoln, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and will to the best of my ability. That the sovereign state of South Carolina and legislature assembled us hereby declare an act of secession from the United States of America and here... That the said states together with their militias, armed forces and civil officers are declared to be in a state of rebellion against the United States of America. Yes, Julia? Take me to Washington with you. I'd like to take you, Julia. You don't seem to realize it's practically a battlefront. I'm not afraid, Shev. Well, Julia, you really mustn't worry so much about me, my dear. If I've seemed out of sorts lately, it's not because I'm ill or unhappy.  To see what that old man saw. The things that lifted him up and made him strong. John Brown. That song, John Brown's body lies a molding in the grave. The soldiers singing it now, they march off to war. There's no escaping him. No, Shev. There's no escaping John Brown. That's you, Julia? Yes, Shev, it's I. No, don't bother to light the gas. Enough light come through the windows to undress by. Oh, I just dropped off to sleep. Those cannon across the river keep up such a thunder. What kept you so long? I went to soldiers' hospital to see Louisa Alcott. Oh, Louisa May? I didn't know she was in Washington. She volunteered as a nurse. And think of it, poor, shy little Louisa. Never away from home before, facing the horrors of that place. How did she seem to be getting along? I didn't see her. Oh, I thought you said... I went to the hospital. They told me what happened. Her father came to take her home this morning. Well, what did happen? There was a soldier there in the ward. He was in great pain. She was reading aloud to him. And he would clutch her hand in his spasms of pain.  They found her there this morning.  Julia, we leave Washington tomorrow. That's final. Very well. I think I've seen what I came to see. Good. Come on to bed. You must be tired. I think I'll sit here by the window for a few minutes. The breeze feels good. Dr. Potter drove me over the long bridge to one of the convalescent camps. They were singing that song. The spirit of those men, ready to go back and face death some of them for the third or fourth time.  It made you feel how inadequate words are to express a thing like that. And they need words. Words as big as the fighting spirit of the man they sing about. Here. Are you listening? Are you asleep? Here they come now. Here they come now. More of them. The army of the wounded. The stasis. I can see their faces so clearly. There's a wagon's path beneath the gaslight there. I think I'd know every one of them if I were to see them another time. Another place. I see things so clearly now. Is this what you wanted me to see, John Brown? What's this the word? They beyond this cup are you afraid? My eyes have seen it, madam. My eyes. My eyes. My eyes. Now I remember what I never knew. My eyes. My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes and rats are stored. He has loosed the fateful lightning of his caribou swift sword. His truth is marching on. He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat. He is shifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat. I'll be swift to my soul to answer him. Be jubilant to my seat. Our God is marching on. Thank you, Rosalind Russell. And may I say as cavalcade's host and for myself as well, Rosalind. Thank you for a magnificent performance. The last page of our program tonight contains exciting and interesting news. About many of your Hollywood favorites. I'll be back in a few moments to tell you about it. Meanwhile, here's Gang Whitman with an interesting story about the new use for nylon. Thank you, Walter Houston. In the year 3000, schoolchildren may hear something like this in their classes. As late as the 20th century, children, our ancestors didn't know how to make many of the materials they needed. They had to use materials taken directly from mines in the earth, from plants and animals. But the 20th century brought about a great change, which made possible the world we live in today. Then chemists began on a large scale to create new material, designed for just the purpose for which they were needed. The story of paintbrushes in the war illustrates what the school teacher of the year 3000 may tell her pupils. When our Navy took on the colossal task of building the greatest war fleet in history, one of the thousands of difficulties Navy men had to overcome was paintbrushes, a small thing, yes, even a trivial thing. But every battleship calls for a thousand pounds of paint, and the paintbrushes just had to be gotten somewhere and fast. Bristles for paintbrushes had always come from the half-wild hogs of North China and Russia. No other material had been found that was as good for the purpose. But today, thousands of new Navy ships and craft of all kinds are painted with nylon bristle brushes, not to find multi-filament nylon yarn that goes into stocking, but large monophiles of nylon tapered at the ends by a special DuPont process. In addition, several hundred test brushes have been used by master painters on all kinds of severe surfaces, including wood, steel, and concrete. The results show that the nylon bristles wear at least three times longer than natural bristles. They are unaffected by cold water paints and can be cleaned by any commercial solvent cleaner, and they are not attacked by morgues or other vermin. The Navy wanted brushes with tapered synthetic bristles. Chemists in cooperation with brush manufacturers have supplied more than a million brushes thus far. Today, nylon bristle brushes are available only for war purposes. After the war, they will be among the many new materials tailor-made to fit your exact needs, a contribution of the chemistry of the future, the kind of chemistry that brings you the DuPont Company's better things for a better living through chemistry. And now here is Walter Houston. On the battlefront of the world tonight, thousands of human hearts are still beating because of a man most of us never heard of. He was Dr. Norman Bethune, who first created the Mobile Field Blood Bank. His story, which Cavalcade presents next week, is high drama, the story of a scientist fighting a battle for the betterment of his fellow men. One of the screen's finest players, Walter Pigeon, will portray the role of Dr. Bethune. And in weeks to come, our schedule is filled with exciting dramas. With the most famous of Hollywood stars, Edward G. Robinson, Bob Hope, Jerick Alona, Francis Langford, Trap Gable and many others. I know you will enjoy every one of them. Thank you. Ms. Rosalind Russell, star of tonight's performance, may soon be seen in the Warner Brothers' production, Roughly Speaking. Remember, next Monday, Lifetime, starring Walter Pigeon and with Walter Houston as host. Brought to you on The Cavalcade of America by E.I. DuPont Dinemore's and Company of Wilmington, Delaware.


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driven可能大家可能現在可能不是特別好理解但是事實上等你在開始使用以後你會發現這些設計是非常大的Cervalase Connective, you will find that these are valuableThe changes can take place step by stepThis is also a feature from the websiteIt has three parts of the logic, 30 spewSo it provides templatesIt is combined with a series accountIntentual serving, it has auto scalingScale to zero as wellBecause sometimes your application doesn't require traffic or workflowsIn that case, you can just scale your service to zeroIt also offers routing based on IstioIt helps you to realize publishingWhen it comes to eventingIt has decoupled pipelinesIt supports third party sourcesSuch as GitHubAnd it has cross-platformService, such as WSService can be connected to the cloudSo these are the basic introduction of Cervalase ConnectiveAnd why do we need Cervalase Connective?In the past, we set out with container runtime in 2012And then in 2015, around 2015Connective takes placeAnd come into playSo you can see the changes don't happen overnightIt's step by step processSo for Cervalase ConnectiveIt adjusts the issue of vendor lockingSo we can see that Cervalase ProjectIt is not definedOr have the standard API or customer serviceIn Cervalase ConnectiveIt is the commodity ecosystemAnd it also have the couple processIt is really easy to scaleAnd all these are the three reasonsThat we chose Cervalase ConnectiveAnd I just introduce you guysWhy we chose Cervalase ConnectiveAnd now I would like to introduce you guysThe three functions of Cervalase ConnectiveAnd how we use all these three functionsAnd this is the old architectureAnd it is the architectureWhich is the default oneIf you are interested, you can have a look at thatRight-hand side is the build oneAnd Cervalase Connective one buildIs different from oursWhat are the differences?You can understand thatOur build is outsideOf the native systemAnd we will write all the codeAnd we will run the projectIndividuallyAnd we will also write the scriptAnd run it on the machineWe don't use the connectivesTo maintain itOr not use it for the authenticationBut this is the internal systemSo we didn't haveA real high requirement about thatAnd this is the docker buildAnd also have kind of the stripAnd also have the injectOf the environment variablesAnd then we can process thatAnd this is an exampleOf the new kinetic buildYou can have a look at the low partIn the applicationWe can inject build connectivesDown to thatTo generate a secretAnd this secretCan be bind to the siteCut back in the buildAnd we can use the service account nameTo buy our sourceAs well as image generatedAnd then it willGenerate it in the sourceAnd then imageBut we found a problemFor the connective itselfTo this kind of format processIt's a little bit massiveSo laterWe try to use the chapterAnd if you attend the meetings beforeYou will hear the projectTattoo pipeline is a new projectAnd in future it will replaceThe main part of the connectiveAnd the architecture is very intuitiveOn the right hand sideIt uses the service accountTo for the authenticationAnd then your input will be definedIn cooling the GitHubAnd other environmentAfter several stepsYou will have your ownMirror warehouseAnd all these stepsWill be done in the connective clustersAnd when we run itYou can bind to aBottle such as an FSTo share the storageTo go through all these stepsWhich means thatThe build environment will be doneEntirely in the connective environmentSo let's look at the buildWe don't use the build very oftenBecause the functions are really simpleSo now I would like toEllaborate the connective serviceSo I would like to introduce youWhat is the connective serviceSome of you may be familiar with itSome of you may notIf you are familiar with thatYou have a look at the programsOn the right hand sideAnd it will create a CRDAnd in the CRDThere is a service definitionWhich will be dividedTo the root and configurationAnd later I would like toIntroduce you to the configurationTo the laterBut the rootYou would like to realizeSome concepts of the settingFor example, the browserOf the networkAnd the data controlAs well as the strategyAnd the auto-stellarAnd if you are familiarWith the KubernetesI will let you tell youWhat kind of resourcesChanges that will evolveFirst, the combinationAnd that will be theSelf-defined or customized CRDWhat is it triggeredAnd when you triggerThe deployment scheduledBy the KubernetesAs well as the HPAOf the KubernetesWhich is the horizontal portScrollerWhich is the horizontal portScroller 1It is also one of theResourcesInclude the KubernetesVirtual serviceTo create someRouter standardsOr the criteriaAnd just nowI just introducedYou to the configurationAnd rootSo nowI would like to tell youWhat is the routeAnd what is the configurationOn the pictureRight hand sideThe configurationIt just defines a containerAnd also definesWell, actuallyIt has already beenMissingIt can also defineA lot of variablesInstead of a variablePlus the mirrorIt goes to a revisionYes, that's rightMirrorPlusThe configurationIt goes to the revisionAny updateOf the mirrorAny changeOf the configurationIt generatesA new revisionA new versionThat's about the routeThe purpose of the routeIs to introduceThe dataTo the corresponding versionSo all theseThe functionsOf the routeAnd the configurationAnd you can seeThat 100% of dataHas already beenDirectly toThe mirrorVersionNow I would likeTo give you a deep diveOf the serviceIngressIs thatWhen the dataInjectedAnd importedTo the systemWhat will happenAnd it isFace on theActivatorThe activatorWill triggerWill activateA triggerSo it is highlyOn the triggerTo collect the dataAnd if youProject can be scallopedAnd the dataIt can be importedTo the first one thingCartOn the right-hand sideThis kind ofThe architectureIs not availableIn the KubernetesIs also an advantageOf the nativeYou can useThe native nameAnd the percentageTo defineThe dataFor exampleHow manyDataWill be importedTo the revisionOne and how manyData will be importedTo the revisionTwoAnd if you alreadyKnow the pastYou can also useThe pastTo realizeThat as wellBut for the nativeIt can provideA nativeSupportsThe performanceCan beCuredAt the same timeAs wellLet's have a lookAt the IngressIngress alsoHave other featuresAll theseThe tutorialFunctionFor exampleThe autoBalancingAnd routeFace on headerAnd headerAddSo let's have a lookAt the header modelIt canReleaseBy usingThis kindOf theCoup nativeFor exampleWe can publishUsersAnd collectThe feedbacksAnd let's seeThatHow we didThe autoscaleIn the old wayBut regardingTo the autoscaleAnd how we didIn the pastIn the pastWe will provideA smallCurve versionWe will haveOne to two facesAnd we thinkThat is notWhat we useIn the clustersAnd we addMore casesAnd toMake it reachA specific levelAnd to allowThe tagCan be runCan be runAs soon as possibleAnd weAt the very beginningWe try it onThePattern operatorIt was notUniversalBut inTheConnativeIt already providedA better wayFor exampleWe realizeTheConcurrent levelWhich isThe API levelInvisitingIf the concurrencyReached 10Or over 10And theMemoryMemory will beScale to100But if theFace isReviewedAnd lower than 10It will beReviewedAnd scale to1And actuallyFind yourOwnAutoscale systemFor exampleIf you areRecentive toSome parameterFor exampleThe masterNumber will beDiedAnd the numberOf theMasterWill exceedA specific numberYou can triggerThis systemUntilAutoscalingAnd laterWe need toTitleOne challengeWhich isThe co-starIt is alsoFindingIn thisSolutionIt alsoHave some placesWhen it'sSorryFor some instanceBut inOurServiceIf there isNo any dataIt isNeedAny instance at allSo weIntroduceA co-star solutionBut it hasSome problemsWhich isDesignedBy theSpeedOf the co-starBecause that'sWhen there is dataAnd theSystem is notActivatedAnd it will causeA delay of theServiceAnd thisChallenge hasNot beenChallenged properlyCurrentlyWe have severalSolutionsFirst oneIs improvedTheI stillSpeedAnd theSecond oneIs toIn this wayThis kindOf theImageCan beActivatedBetterAnd thereAre someTacticsFor exampleImmediatelyOneThe auto-scalerGet startedFrom theActivatedActivatedThis thingSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo itSo it这些就是16卡的计时我会为它加上计时的计时比如如果是8或41我们会把这些计时其他计时的计时进行这个方式我们可以计时计时的计时但是在计时的计时我们也会用U-PAC计时的计时或者用U-PAC的计时例如如果我们用U-PAC的计时计时的计时计时的计时在计时的计时的计时但是在计时的计时如果是K40或者K8如果是K16有些计时的计时有些计时的计时或是计时的计时在计时的计时另一个是计时的计时而且我们的计时也会终于出现保护我们只能在新中间使用C-2计时的计时我们需要更多选项那么我们的新选项我们可以视之一做一个发展的一种问题其实我们没有当时有限制但其實我們沒有必要再做更多譬如我們加了新機器而使用者需要延遲它需要2GPU而我們只需要2GPU在資訊上這樣的話就沒有一個雖然是一個雖然是一個這樣的話就沒有一個雖然是一個雖然是一個雖然是一個這樣的話就沒有一個雖然是一個這樣的話就沒有一個都沒有一個雖然 isa你能否用一個它不 terra它 它會打開它 它會照  kit交這 它作作譬如Internetic Survey, when the resources first schedule to the code controller, it will convert to the code.And then we also done some converted by ourselves.We will convert the resources to the code and then scale it.And it is a conversion of the resources,but for the network,we will use the previous one in the CDS.When there is a data model,we will still working normally.And to use the IPM generated by the cataclysm and fix it.So even though it is still a centralized network,it has its stability.But for such a model,setting from cloud hub,the resources is scheduled through port,in port fashion.Last but not least,I want to talk about connective eventing.In the interest of time,I will give you brief introduction.If you have learn about some event-based language,you will know that they have a mailbox model.Through this mailbox,you can have communication.For connective eventing,it is also followed such approach.All the components communicate through loosely-coupled event-driven system.It has the declarative binding.It is declarative bindingbetween event generators and event usage service.After this declarative binding,the services are bind and resources are communicated across.I will skip this.It also uses cloud event.Cloud event is like a protocol for language.Through this cloud event,the operations can be done across the platform,across services.Cloud events later will be further deployedor improved in our platform as well.Due to the time constraints,that would be my presentation.Please feel free to raise your hand.So just now you mentioned the serving.It seems like a serving is used mostly for inference.But what about training?Service is not applicable for training at the moment.In the past,we tried to use service for training.But we found that some modelscouldn't match our paddle operationbecause of the job tolerancewhich couldn't be realized in service.And for resource pool,is it local or remote?It's remote.Okay,thank you.Connective has a good advantageis that when I don't use it,I don't need to deploy the resource.So I would assume that whenin your case,users need to deploy the resource themselves.Let me refresh your question first.You mean when we use the resource,we need to define the resource.I know that if you use connective,we don't need to define the resource ourselves.But if you want to deploy resource well,I think you need to do it on your own.Like,users have an ideaabout the resource for a pod.Let me see if I get your question right.You mean like we don't need to setthe memory request or limit,right?To my knowledge,this is an advantage of connective,right?In this community,we are working on this.In the future,a vertical pod auto scalingwill be established.I'm not sure if you heard of it.It's about pod scaling,vertical scaling.It's not delivered.It's realized yet,but we are working on it.Like in the scenario,if you don't thinkthe pod is big enough for you,then you can scale it up verticallyto 8GB,something like that.You mentioned about the GPO.Let me go back to this slide.This one,right?Okay.Like in the past,this is just foryou need to set a taskto card,and then that will bethe fragmented resource.So here,it says the definition.Like when you generate it,when it is generated,it is a gigabyte pod,then it willgenerate this pod,like virtual machinewill be 8GB.So,I mean it is a big pooland it has a lot of resources in it.In this scenario,it's like a pool.Then,this will be user cluster.Of course,we hope that this user cluster,we hope that all users will chooseresource pool over this user cluster.If the pool is used,and because it's isolated,like in the center,you may deploy the resourcein isolation fashion,then you canapply for this 8GB instance.Well,physically,let's say we havethe 12 cards.That's the logic.With this,a user extends resource,it helps you to do this resourcedistribution better.Like,it helps you to definewith this namespace,and after userrun it up,because there's a limit,then they couldn't apply more.And due to the security concerns,they couldn't use,there's no alternativefor them to use.But now with this,in this new scenario,which is not realized yet,or launched yet.It says here,all the resources in the poolare available in a safe manner.Then there's no namespace limitation.And in a way,the pool is infinite.So with this infinite pool,then there's no conflict,right?Yes,that's our hope.That's why we are working on it.Okay,last question.


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