I'm not here and we'll do the same. I'm going to see people like earlier in the day and then, are you a writer? You're right, what's your name? No, I just, can I just make you, I mean... That's definitely... Have you been here before? Not watched me work, okay. But you've been in this building. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, this is watching work. So, does anybody not know what we're doing for watching work? There's a lot of people here. There must have chosen to be a reason. There's honey.  Does anybody need... And it's okay if you don't know what watching work is. It's fine. Maybe it will help if I explain it to you. Okay. Because it's kind of, I mean, it sounds like it's something, and it's maybe something else. Which makes it perfect for these times. I don't comment on the news. So, watch my work. So, we've been doing this for about ten years in the lobby of the Public Theater. And basically, it's a meta-theatrical writing workshop. I think I got that right. Where the first thing we do is work together. So we all do our work. It can be writing, and it can't be anything. But most of us do writing. And we do the action of the play together. And that's doing our work. And then after the timers, Audrey and I set timers. And after 20 minutes, we create the dialogue of the play together. Which is us talking about your work. So it's called Watch Me Work. But the me in the title is you. So basically what I'm here for is I'm here to talk to you about your creative process. So if you have any questions, issues, problems, concerns about your creative process, I'm here to talk to you about your creative process. So the thing is, we don't talk about my creative process necessarily. Only how it intersects directly with yours. As you ask a specific question. So yeah, so we're also live streamed up. Audrey and Audrey is going to come and tell us the folks who are watching on the... So there's several ways you can touch with us. If you are watching on HowRound.tv, there's actually a little chat next to the video that you can chat on. You can also tweet at us at appwatchingworkslp, hashtag HowRound, which is H-O-W-L-R-O-U-N-T. You can also look at the public via Instagram. You can ask questions there or the public via Facebook page. That was really fast. And hopefully you understood that. And all of you sitting here don't have to do any of those things because you're here. And you can just shout out your concerns, questions, issues. How are we doing? So this is a prop. This is a typewriter. And usually I write in a type. But today I have a lot of reading to do, this big book. So I'm just going to sit here and read. And we're going to set up timers and get to work. Do you see the camera? Do you see the camera? You can sit down. I think I can sit down. This is so fun. Um, what are we going to do? We're going to do this kind of thing. That's the action part of the thing. And now we're going to do the dialogue part, which is basically, I'm just going to ask people about your work. Go say it. If you had any tips about the revision process, because when I write, there'll be like bursts of like, it'll start one way and then formulate and grow into something. And the way it's shifted works to a certain point that looks good.  The like here is good. And I guess I'm just afraid to let go of certain things in order to grow my piece. I don't know. It's so great. Yeah, so she's talking about the revision process and she gets started and she keeps writing. And it grows and oftentimes she gets to something very beautiful and now it's time to rewrite it and she doesn't want to lose what he said. I don't want to, I'm afraid of changing it and losing it in order to grow. Because I've changed it before and then I was like, well now the whole thing's up. I know, you're afraid of changing in order to grow. That's kind of cool, actually. I would say keep what you like in the parts that you know. You know what I mean? You can allow the part that you love, the part that comes on page let's say 30, to form the whole product and whole piece. You see what I mean? So it's okay to cut and then grow from something else? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's totally okay to do that. Yeah, it's totally okay. You don't have to start from the beginning and then make everything march along. You can circle the parts that you like and let them inform. For example, if you start in a character, the main character is a cat. And on page 30 you realize that the main character is actually a unicorn and you like the unicorn better than you like the cat. You can just make it all about the unicorn. That's really crude, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's why they have those phrases. You don't throw the baby out of the bathwater. You don't have to throw the baby out if you want to throw the bathwater. Right? Yeah. You know? Like when you move apartments. You don't have to like throw away everything. Right. You just throw away that it should or don't fit in your new home. You know? So then making the other parts flow in and work like when I start on page 30 and then we create the little page about 22 that I kind of like to fill them back together. Yeah. Just go back and play with what works. Yeah. Keep what you like and leave the rest. Also popular thing. You know? And see if that works. And also that creates a rewriting process that's not as scary. You know? And we're not going to avoid the rewriting process because we think just because now we're rewriting we have to throw away everything that we and we love like 20 pages of it. We don't like 20 other pages. You don't have to throw away everything. You just keep the parts that are working for you. That's what I do. You know? Please come back because now I know you're a writer. So I'm going to be nagging you and how do you do it? It's a good question, Stephanie. Anybody else? Yeah, man. What's your name? Saul. Saul? Yes. Okay, Saul. So what's your question? My question is as I'm in the varying parts of the process. I have a very clear concept and it's also very personal. Okay. So do you have any advice for someone who is trying to really deliver a clear cut, a straight delivery of this concept while still helping that freedom that comes along with just writing? Does that make sense? It does. But Saul has a very clear concept and he wants to, he wants to write a draft. Yeah, and I'm afraid that I'll feel constricted ideas that I've already created. Right. Right. Right. So yeah, yeah, but it's an interesting problem because you have it, you're very excited about your concept or idea, right? And at the same time you don't want to feel constricted by the thing you're excited about. So it's tricky. I would say just let go of the feeling that, oh no, my idea is going to kind of tie me to things I don't like. And remind yourself that your idea and your concept as you call it is going to tie you to things that you will love. Just switch it around in your head, you know what I'm saying? Oh gee, I decided again. I decided to write about a unicorn. Oh no, now I got to write about unicorns? No, it's about unicorns, okay. Just remind yourself that you love your concept.  And just keep telling yourself this is going to be great. Just kind of give yourself a mind for like, my concept is going to give you a really wonderful story. And so, oh my concept is going to limit me and make it impossible for me to write something I really love. You know what I'm saying? So, a lot of times we have to just like only groove our mind to encourage ourselves to keep going. So, help, and come back. Are you welcome to deliver on me? Yeah, I do. Okay, why don't you come and listen to us again? Because we can, you know, we can keep track of you. Now, who can, you know, keep encouraging? It's a great question, thank you. Anybody else? So, what's your name? Nina. Nina, Nina. It inspires you to write for things. But then... So, Nina, so what if something important and sad happens to you? And you want to write about it, but it's hard to write about because it's important and sad. Yes. Right. Yeah. So, and it also becomes what happens to you. So, it's something that is impacting you very greatly, right? It's big and it's kind of like a little heavy. And how do you write about something that's big and heavy and personal? Yeah. Too big? You could. You could wait. Or you could just effort, you know, low expectations. You know what I'm saying? Because if you get, the tricky thing is if you could, you could wait. Sure. That's an option. So, option number one, wait. Good. Option number two, best effort. Right? Best effort is, again, you do your best, low expectations. You just want to try. Option number three, which is connected option number one, to come back and revisit it again. So, don't think that this is your only chance to write about this thing. This might be the core of so many things you write about through your writing life. No? I would try it. I mean, you're here. You're asking me the question, you know? I'm like, maybe you ought to give it a whirl. You know? Keep your expectations lower the bar. That's what I say a lot. Just lower the bar.  And get to the end. You know what I mean? You know, write. Do you think it's going to be a long story? Is it a story or a play? Is it a play? So just, you know, maybe get like right now a 30-page version of it, or a 20-page version of it. You see, if that feels, you know, let me take a look at it. Be kind to yourself. That often helps. You know, instead of like, ah, ah, ah, you know what I mean? Be kind to yourself. I would take you to try. Because what do you have to lose? What's going to happen? What's like the worst thing that's going to happen if it doesn't come out like perfectly and beautifully? That's the worst thing. It's okay. Try again. I mean, you have the right to, you have the right to write about things that are personal and important and kind of sad. And you have the right to write about them in a less than perfect and excellent way. Give yourself that right. You have that right. It's okay. We all do. We'll get to our step leaders and we'll be in revision round. You know, we'll be working on a second draft, third draft, whatever, you know, or chop things like that, and we can improve it. Okay? And come back, right? You have the local dealer, right?  You must continue. Okay, nice. Good question, Dina. Thank you. Yes? I'm a couple drafts into this thing. And a couple drafts into this thing. I won't tell you how many. Okay, a hundred? Ten. Okay, ten. Yeah. Yeah. I've been working on it for about three years. Okay. And there's a character who like didn't exist, who now exists and is now a focal point of the story. Okay. But now I can't figure out the end of the play to write it. Okay. And like that is paralyzing me with fear to the point that like I can get to the first, the end of the first act, but like I don't want to start the second act. Because, and it's not a one act play, I'm guessing. That's right. Amara. Okay. Okay. Okay. You don't know, what's your name? Amara. Amara, you've been here. Yeah, like once before. Yeah, I recognize you're about to see me around. Amara. Amara. Okay. So, in previous drafts, have you had an ending? Yeah. Okay. But those endings, because of this new character, for example, those endings are no longer working. Yeah. So can you do like, here's a fun exercise and it's kind of easy. Maybe you'll find it hard.  That's the first part. So far so good.   Okay.    And then like, they're all spaghetti. I don't know. So just write them down. And if you're enjoying yourself, you can do like five or ten more. So at the end of this exercise, which can take about, you know, five minutes, it shouldn't be too heavy. You don't be thinking too tough, right? This is just like, all the top of your head, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right?   They can't be good. They have to be like, pretty good. Right? Okay.  I don't know. Maybe you like one of them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.  Because that's going to be good enough to get you through act two. That's going to be good enough to get you through act two. I promise. Because all you need to do is just, the spirit is saying, come on. Mara, come on. What you got? What are you made of? If you're going, I can't, I just can't. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Just again, just take a chance. Take a chance. What's the worst thing that can happen? Hey, you write the wrong ending. Oh gee. You have a white noise story that I won't tell myself. You write the wrong ending. Oh gee. You know, I think you could change it. It's art. It's theater. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right? Okay, it's okay. Because we all do that. Yeah. Okay? Don't worry about getting it, right? Just worry about getting it. See? Have fun. Art is fun. Art is fun. Well, because we all get together and laugh and we go home and we all cry. That's all right. I do too. I'm like, ooh. Come on. Come on here. No. What do you do? I have a question. I never write poetry. No. Pistole. Okay, go ahead. Oh. Someone on Instagram wants to know, what do you do when happen these strengths? After. Life. You start to feel indifferent? Like this.  So what do we do? Anybody? Anybody? Have any? Come on. Somebody, you know? I make people read it. You make people read it, and they tell you that they like it, and it bolsters your confidence just a little, and that little bit is enough to move me forward, just so you can write one more day. That's really good. Anybody else have any? Yeah? I watch art, right? I leave my art and I watch other people. Oh, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. You can watch other people's art. You know you have to go to a play or a movie? You can go to a museum, and then they are hanging on the wall, so be able to think of some sculpture, or you can go into nature. You can go into nature, you know, nature. You know what that is, right? And you can go for a walk, right? Anybody else? No, I'm sorry. You take a break? You take a break? Like what? Like what? And do what? Or just like chill? Take a break and work on something else. Take a break and work on something else? That's pretty helpful. I don't come back and read it. Come back and read it and see how I feel about it. That's a good idea. Carol, what do you do? Carol is a ninja. She helps and encourages someone else. And how does that help? How does that help you? She has articulated the subtext of watching her. Oh, sure, I'll have a class every day. I'll just come help people. Yeah, because when you see other people, when you look around, you go, oh gee, I'm not alone in this. There are other people who are doing this too. You know what I mean? So suddenly you feel like, yeah, okay, it's possible to write for one more day. Anybody else? What doesn't work?  I made my life. What doesn't work? Anything? Your head against the wall doesn't work. Negative self-talk. You're right. Negative self-talk. It might feel good in a really kind of weird way. But you might tell yourself, well, I'm just telling myself the truth. Yeah, I haven't gotten published, so I'm just going to remind myself that I haven't gotten published. And I'm just telling myself the truth, but that's when the truth will not set you free. Because that's not the truth, actually. The truth is that you're working on it. And we have to see that truth underneath the apparent reality. We have to see what's really going on, which is I'm doing the work, I'm showing up. I'm giving it my best effort, right? I'm being brave. I'm doing this for my community, whatever, you know? Okay? That's a good question. Who is that? Their handle is not a dog walker. That's great. Not a dog walker. Thanks for asking that question. Future dog walker. Future dog walker. Anybody else have a? I'm Jason. Jason, hey, Jason. So, when I see a really good play, it feels so clear. Like, I watch it and I go like, oh, I can pick out all these problems that I tackle. One of the problems I have when I write is that I want to throw everything at my character. Like, I get so distracted by new ideas. I get so distracted by new ideas that I kind of like don't make any progress on the problem that I've already given my characters. I'm just hoping to maybe talk to that. Maybe how to filter the hardware, some issues or like some conflicts that you want to put your characters through. I mean, maybe this stems from impatience. Like, I just want to initiate. I just want to get the work done. And maybe that's part of the first, like, draft process. The second draft is to just really make it really long. And then, I was just hoping, I was hoping that some people could talk to that. So, as Jason's writing along, he gets distracted. Kind of like, oh, look, there's something that can be written in the play. Right? Oh, look, there's something. Oh, like that. So, I know, I start a play. It's a beautiful, you know, right? Okay, do you have a notebook? I see a notebook in your hand. Could you make note of those things? Yeah, it could, but it does not work. Making note of, like, as you're writing along, you can say, oh, look, there's a butterfly, butterfly. Oh, look, there's a toad, a toad. Can you just make note of them? And instead of jumping off the path, you go and follow them. You see the difference? Yes, yeah. It's like meditation. We meditate. Some of us do. Maybe all of us do. Alright, come on, we're all, when we meditate, I'm just going to say it like that. When we meditate, the thoughts come into your mind. And instead of, like, following after them, right? Or say you're in a relationship and you're walking down the street. And you see a wonderful looking someone walking by. You're not going to fall. You might just say, wonderful looking someone. You want to be that kind of person, right?  You can take note of those things, but you don't have to chase them. So you're going to take note of them in your notebook. What the notebook is for. And you're going to stay on the path with the work. And yeah, maybe you are a patient to finish. Or maybe you're scared of finishing. Not sure. I'm not sure. Okay. Can that make sense? Are you local? Yes. Of course. If you want, you know, come back because we can continue to encourage you. Just to our presence of whatever. Anybody else? Anybody else? So I've been writing many half novels for about 10 years. I just finished one about 20 months ago. Thank you, thank you. 20 years ago. And the funny thing is that like I, over that time, I got so invested in enjoying just the process of writing. That now I kind of am not sure what to do with it because I know I'm enjoying the process of writing. And then I haven't sent it out. I haven't worked out too much. I've worked out a few weeks. I'm not pretty sure whether I want to do anything with it in a way, but I'm also not sure if that's going to scare the changes. And whether that's, I shouldn't send that into either an agent's work or not. I'm not sure. Does that make sense? That's a great question. Everybody's heard what you're saying. Do you have a clue and inkling about why your other novels were unfinished? I hope they were just two years into this novel. Right, right, right. Sure, sure, sure. Well, no, it's a lot of focus actually. You have a huge amount of focus to write anything, to do anything. You have to have focus, you know. And you've got to keep a lot of words and things in your head. So you have a lot of focus. So we're going to need to tell our son about the truth, right? But my guess is that you also have a lot of fear, which is fine. We all have fear. That's why we're here. Well, because it just rhymes, but actually it's true.  Now I don't want to cross the finish line. I don't know. Because it's risky to cross the finish line and suddenly people have opinions about what you're doing. And sometimes you want to say thank you, so there's no tape up here.   And that's hard. And it's scary. And you must do it. Do it. You know, you see in the workshop, you have a writer's group? I have a big part, so... Okay. Could you take your novel to your...to your notes, folks? Okay, okay. So you could take it to your guest so far and I feel like you could show it to some reps or something? I mean, I think it's kind of a bit... Okay, okay. I just don't want to enter... Like, when people praise me, I think it's something that I'm not really happy about. Right, right, right. So I'm worried that it's going to cause me a lot. And he had a place where I appeared to process the notes. Because... Does that make sense to you? Yeah, it does. You just put it aside and write another one, huh? That's what I do, honestly. Well, then you could do that. You could do that. You put it aside and write another one. And don't worry about sending it out there yet. Don't even worry about it. And I think your flowering and your career will have its own unique path. I'm not too worried about it. And then when you finish the next one, you can talk about it. It's okay. You know what I mean? But that's great. It's crazy. It's really great. So that's the hardest part of it. Congratulations. It's really good. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Hi. Thank you so much. My name is Jimario. I was... I've been here for about three years now, from Mississippi. I just tried to get out of Mississippi as one thing. Right. And once I finally got here, I was like, okay, you know, I was always talking about Broadway and musical theater. Like, that's what I was creating to do. That's what I'm going to do once I get there. Right. So I got here and the concrete jungle that is what it really is, like, it really, you know, beat me up. And I just had to grow up. Right. And so I had this amazing opportunity to start the study at Strasburg. And I started last January. I just felt like, damn, I always felt like I was, you know, an actor and a singing actor. But there's come about a great lack of direction, just in personal experiences, sort of, but not in just finding myself in low places.  And so at this point, this part's just trying to figure out, trying to finish this program at Strasburg and just figure it out with my place in our world, our world of the arts. He is, and I'm taking playwriting a long term with Larry Alton at the Institute. And I just don't know because storytelling is something that's important as an artist's period. And I guess my question is, where do I go from here? Do I just stick to what's true and tell my truth and tell my stories and find myself in these characters, a little bit of myself in characters that I'm trying to potentially write? Or do I continue to beat myself up and just try to do the whole audition, audition, audition thing or just feel like, I don't know, I just feel like I'm drifting away from that whole I'm an actor and I'm going out there on these auditions. I just don't think that's working for me anymore. I feel like a storytelling gemario. Gemario, the storyteller is what's trying to make his way out. And I know that makes sense. And I just wanted some, thank you, I just wanted to be there. I believe in the universe. I'm doing the same top dog, underdog and I was like, she's waiting, she's going to be waiting. And so honestly, I was like, I know this is fun. I need to be here and I need to help with these questions that I'm wrapping with and so you can just share. Thank you so much. That's a big question, but I think you have the answer. If the auditions things and actors are so great because they go out there and they stand in front and they can give us their heart and their soul but we all do that and whatever aspect of the arts we're all going out there like that and it feels like you're beating yourself up because maybe right now it's not the right thing for you to be doing right now and maybe, yeah, Gemario, the storyteller you know what you should be doing, why not? You know, why not? It's exciting, right? It's exciting and it feels good then I say, go for it. It feels good and you're not hurting anybody it's just probably the right thing, right? So I go for it and you have your wonderful class that you're taking now and you can come here and you can just be a writer in New York like that. Yeah, that'll be fun, right? Yeah, okay. Okay, thank you, great question I know, there are lots of questions because we sit at home, I sit at home a lot and I'm like, ah, what the fuck? And then it's nice to come around other people like, yeah, yeah, okay we can have conversations about these things but sometimes it's like hard and embarrassing to feel like, gee, I have a question and I don't know who to talk to but you have a whole community and look at all these people and look, I just got to say a shout out for like look at the different kinds of people we've got today look at all these beautiful people I mean, it's exciting and we're all like in this go-to moment and it's going to the happy place we have four minutes so who's who's who's who's who's who I have another question Yeah, sure I'm not going to go into the other case but I want to know if you don't have a clear concept but you have a better idea of the things you're interested in where do you start Right, oh so their issue is different from yours you guys have a clear concept Charles, you know what I mean? So, Charles got a clear concept and Oceana doesn't have a clear concept right? I would just say if you know the where you're going who is who said that was it Thoreau or Emerson I know if I go in there I have to go someone said that so just start just start moving in my experience the spirit is going to meet you halfway things will start to magnetize in your direction walk out of the house and you end up here talking to you talking to you yeah, so okay, so see things to magnetize if you're going to make an effort what did Martin Luther King say he said you don't have to know the whole staircase just take the first step and that's what we're doing so obviously just take a few steps in that direction and keep your ear open make a writing time make a time every day maybe get a timer you can use your phone and a timer because your phone is cracked because it has all these other nice little functions on it so a regular timer like this is really great because it doesn't distract you and you set it for 20 minutes and you have a 20 minute writing period every day and that accumulates a compounded interest like putting a dollar in the bank every day that should add up and that's good and that's all that we're doing with our stuff I know I just bet because it means but does that make sense and it can happen any time in the writing process but if you're working just take a few steps just take a few steps that's all you have to do keep that energy going it will also keep up with the writing even if you're sad like I'm crying just keep that like that oh yes what's your name? Erica do you think it's better to work on your characters first or the plot first did you hear Erica? did you hear our question? that's a really good question characters first or plot first here's a trick your characters are your plot your plot is your characters same thing oh write a long back story write a 20 page thesis or a 20 page report on what your characters are what they eat for breakfast and what shoes they wear and all that the character is better than the villain in the plot think of what play? Hamlet, you know Hamlet? think of Hamlet he shows up, he's looking around his friends say yo man he's like a ghost a ghost of who? a ghost of your dad oh shit, yeah, my dad dad so we know a lot about his character already it works like that so just work on your story and your characters same time tell yourself what story do I want to tell and your characters will emerge kind of organically story and character are connected that's not separate them they're actually connected good question come back are you local? well then visit us here we're there six o'clock? yay! we're back on April 22nd oh wow that long cause there are all these events in the public theater so we're back on April 22nd thanks for coming you guys


Wow! It is absolutely titanic! Hello everybody and welcome to a very, very, very, very, very long overdue episode of Jurassic World Evolution 2. As you can tell by the sound, the music you can hear in the background and I've tried my best to sort of showcase it. We are going into the ocean because Jurassic World Evolution 2 really needed something to snatch itself from the jaws of obscurity and that has come in the form of mods. That is right, mods are back, I don't know how they do it, but they've managed to find a way what was on the Nexus website and that's where all these mods are put up.  Because there's something I love, it is of course dinosaurs, but there's something I love more than dinosaurs and that is what was going on in the ocean. Like freaking Nigel Marvin, I'd love to take a dive into the prehistoric waters and just have a little swim about. So, we have got one, two, three, four, five incubators worth of different species, that's five each, that's five, 25! 25 different ones and there is still more coming because there's been, like, they've showcased other ones previously that aren't in here at the moment, so it just seems like the flood it just seems like the floodgates, pardon, the pun, have well and truly completely opened for this game and I cannot wait to dive in. Now, last time we did something similar to this, when we released all of the aquatic creatures, we had a little bit of a problem because they would not attack each other, they were too, like, cramped or I don't know, the AI wasn't fleshed out enough and the reason why I haven't made videos on Jurassic World Evolution 2 recently that you may have noticed is because there's a glitch in the current update, basically it would crash. If you put too many dinosaurs in at the same time and it was something to do with the territories, so I'm still kind of waiting for the new update to come, yay! But we are here and as you can see we got a zebra shark, a factanus, white marlin, freaking fish! This is beautiful, I can't wait, okay so we're going to release the zebra shark, it's the first time I'm seeing it, oh it is so small, bless them! Now a lot of these creatures have the um, the what you might call it, the anatomy of the ophthalmosaur because it's very basic, it's like a fishy, you know, anatomy and you know you don't even have to rig them out, you can just rig it to the base I'm assuming. But look at it, this is so cool, I mean this is huge right? So I don't know how much the mods or the people who've made the mods have thought into this, but you know if I was them I would make this, you know, it doesn't need any space at all, like one lagoon and it's maxed out. You've been in a aquarium before right, you've seen sharks and fish, look at this, it's like a freaking ocean for them, I mean obviously it's not but like they're in much smaller spaces in an aquarium and they're completely fine, so something like this, oh it's like a reserve! So if I was them I would, I would like put that in, already it's sort of scouting out its area and it's, it's kind of like, but really that red needs to be like that much and it's just released, it should be fine. So with the zebra shark, let's release the next one, the Zephactanus! Jesus freaking Godzilla! What was that noise? Okay well here it is a lot bigger, now there's a famous fossil of Zephactanus that was found eating another Zephactanus because what they would do, or we assume now after that fossil was discovered, is that they would gulp down their prey hole and yeah you can kind of see that they're streamlined, it's like straight away open, that once that trap door mouth opens, boom!   So already if we go on map, uh yeah we've got Brachiosaurus, you know, okay, but it's starting to fill up and we haven't even released all of them, uh so yeah I make, I mean this game I crash, I don't know we'll find out, but we're gonna enjoy it while, I can't believe it just crashed, I want to be able to record Russell World Evolution 2, I do, I really do, I want to be able to record it, it just doesn't want to be recorded by me, all right, well we'll ignore, I mean the only thing we're releasing a Tile of Swords sticks, so yeah we'll ignore those, but we'll move on to the next one, this is very interesting, this was a Shonosaurus, now Shonosaurus was one of the biggest, um, Pleasiosaurus that ever existed, or um Ictiosaurus, sorry not Pleasiosaurus, oh my god, oh look at this, wow it is absolutely titanic, now I don't know if it was really this big, but if it was, good god that is glorious, so is this basically a Mosasaur? I think it might be, hold on let's have a look at, oh god wow its area needs to be absolutely ginormous, or else it is not happy, wow okay, that must mean that it probably goes up to eat from one of these sharks, oh we'll have to see that, right with that being said, you know we've seen the other things, we will not release any Mosasaur, Tile of Swords, regular things, but we'll release things we haven't seen before, because I don't know how much time I've got before the game goes, no, this is a Mahimae, also known as a Dolphin fish, I think a lot of Americans, I remember in Florida it was like oh you can have Dolphin fish, I was like what actual Dolphin, no no no, no Mahimae, I think they're getting more and more endangered as time is progressing, but I might be wrong, I think most wildlife generally is now endangered because we do such a good, we take such good care of the environment, and now this, yes freaking, if it's not Megalodon, if it's not Mosasaur that's your favorite prehistoric creature, freaking Leviathan man, the huge whale, oh that looks so cool, oh I love it, wow, oh my god, just to see a whale in this sort of graphics, in this environment, when, when apart from you know maybe Assassin's Creed or something, we see a whale in the distance sort of thing, but oh this is so cool, it's really well designed, I wonder if they just take the models and put them on, you know, take them from a different game, put them in this, but this, no this looks really cool, wow, I wonder if you can change the colorings on them, if not that is just magnificent, look at that, man I want to be able to have Megalodon, Leviathan, Mosasaur, you know all the apex of all prehistoric oceans, and oh hold on, we've got, we've got a eating a shark, yes, here we go, here it comes, oh yum yum, although it didn't get it, that's very interesting, okay, it sells really low, why is, why is your health though, was it, was it the, the food, had you not found your food, yes it would, okay there was that, okay sweet, so what other things does Beaver have up his sleeve, well, you saw the sailfish, but what about an Indo-Pacific sailfish, this one more iconic because of its ginormous sail, or at least this is an Indo-Pacific sailfish, last time we released a Marlin, kind of different, but still, wow, they are definitely panicking, oh yes, oh yes, well they're not having a great time, but I mean so would you if you, wait what, you shouldn't be panicking, there's nothing you had to panic about, oh the Leviathan eats the shark as well, oh that is brilliant, oh that is great, oh wow did it actually eat it, it did, okay for some reason the the Shonosaur didn't eat it, but the whale did, oh that was brilliant, yes, so it must have the, not the Tylosaur animation, it must have a different one, I think that was the Cronosaur, yeah the Cronosaur was able to do that, but I mean it's the moment you've all been waiting for, the one, the only fun head of grass, look at you with these big googly eyes, oh it's so good, but again you know if you just want that little bit of realism, you know when it comes to an aquarium just having you know a fish, a different variety of fish, and what would be really cool to do with this is you know not only to have all these different types of fish, but you know you could recreate different oceans, and you could have a whole park that is dedicated to just aquatic life, you can be like oh that's the Cenozoic ocean and this is um you know the Myocene ocean, mod gods, that's what you should call yourselves, anyway anyway we're still not done because we've got at least one or two more before the game decides to um uh cake out on me or I don't know just die, Helicoprion with its more, I'd say it's more accurate, I don't know these things change all the time, this Helicoprion has been sort of put out there since 2015 even, I think, um so it might have changed since then, I don't know, but anyway we've got a uh you know another shark with a really really really weird mouth, yes very strange uh Shona source is also dying again uh because apparently it can't eat the sharks fast enough, but not only do you have Helicoprion, a prehistoric shark, but you can have modern sharks, you can have hammer heads, oh yes look at them, weird weird sharks, now they're supposed to be incredibly well not as incredibly aggressive as a a bull shark per se, but you know hammer heads are known to be a little bit more aggressive than an average shark, not too sure why, I think maybe they think you just look at them funny because your eyes are in the middle of your head, obviously a hammer head doesn't have that, it's like your eyes are far too close together, kill it, but yeah fine, you wouldn't think as well with the mouth being on the bomb, it's like how does it even bite you, like can't get you because the thing's in the way, um but I don't want to put that up to the test, I don't want to you know, I bet you can't bite me and then then I die, uh so yes we'll ignore that, but no we've got even more things to release, blank, this is just blank, I love it, this is a Gario I think it is, which is, well this is a ginormous Gario, there's also like I mean we've seen things in the past which um were maybe modelled or like rigged a little bit better than this one is because it's very stiff, oh there the Shonosaur is dead, there it goes, right I just couldn't eat enough, that's why when extinct it's right there, but look at this you got the fish and everything, what I wanted to do was release all of this and then take the little um the little drone out, but I don't know if we're going to be able to do that with the game crashing all the time, but they, I don't know if this is new but that's the T-Rex crate or cage from the Lost Wolves as well as the Jurassic Park through and maybe it was in uh there but I think maybe they had a little tiny bit of an update and they added that in for any eagle-eyed fans, but wow they just look so cool, they look so cool, it's not hard to put aquatic creatures in right, like to rig them, you just do, it's a slow thing, although I have animated a seal going through water and actually replicating the you know water physics isn't as easy as you think so I should shut up, but here we go the classic it doesn't matter what month it is on YouTube I have one video that is always in my top 10 and it's a freak it's something to do with turtles, it's always turtles getting eaten whole or a turtle tournament, God knows the illiteration I think maybe that's why people like him but there's there's always a turtle I don't know I don't know why but there is so here we go hopefully a fingers crossed pray to the turtle gods we'll get views of this one, but as you can see we've got a lot of brachisols in here, a lot of brachisols and you know we've had it I think I wonder if they use the actual Great White Shark model that's already in the game because that would be a you know it saves them a little bit of time, but a Great White Shark which kind of looks you know a similar size to most other sharks if I've got to be honest maybe that's a great hammerhead I can't remember because you've got different types of scalloped hammerhead friggin oceanic God knows well yes oh it looks so cool look at this maybe there was a glitch with the Tylosaur actually maybe that's what crashed it because we have got a bunch of different creatures in here and yet can I just can I just I want to be in the water now that would be that would be a dream wouldn't it like coming face to face with with a sperm whale I'd be absolutely terrified but I'd love to do it I've heard like no I'm assuming maybe the Leviathan had done a similar way that the sperm whale did which was like putting out sonar and he get in the vibrations back but apparently if you've ever been in the water with a sperm whale its clicks are so loud that they they you know they vibrate through your entire body and they're super loud so you know if they wanted to they could probably stun you with a click but yeah man oh oh look at this it's so good so good anyway oh we're getting far too ahead of us we've still got plenty more to see we've got another blank is it gonna crash the game maybe I don't know but here it is I think this is a googly fish with those eyes good god uh this is a or fish I think it is uh some of you guys might know you may have played Animal Crossing um it's a it's quite rare fish in there but I think it's found deep down in the ocean uh wow yes and it's it's it's a hard thing to rake it would you know it would definitely be good with a spline tool but of course the moderators or the mods makers have only got so much to work with and well as you can quite clearly see this this is all they can they can use is is this sort of thing and still the only thing to die is the sonosaurus which is so weird it was just so but the whales don't seem to have a problem they're easy eating me shark but uh little shony or some big shony struggled with that uh maybe it's not meant to eat sharks um maybe maybe anyway we're still not done because we've got car terrinkus which is by far the tiniest I love it that they've actually put like that they must have put some sound effects on these creatures but look at it it is so small it is it isn't even rigged its model is not rigged I think it's it's on one joint so it literally goes like that oh it's brilliant bless it and even it maybe it is actually quite small you forget with the scale of this you know this inquire aquarium in this environment that they are you know everything in here is pretty ginormous um but I've saved the best for last not only it's you know we've got these pier star creatures we've got an invertebrate anomalocorus one of you know the world's first ever apex predators uh with you know a mouth would you believe oh they look amazing look at it wow it is actually kind of a little bit rigged like it's not completely all you know stationary and it just kind of does that there is a little bit of a bend maybe it's got two joints in there oh wow like I want to get a good closer with that mouse oh it's terrifying oh god does it really resemble much of a mouth does it it's more like a butthole or something we'll put some fact in us back in I feel like it was probably the tyler saw the broket I'm not too sure why we'll put those guys back in and then we'll turn on attacking and stuff just see how it goes oh my god I I literally just turned this on and already this this this crocodile oh yep it's I think it's killed an or fish oh my oh three things have died already good god well no that's already died but there was something else instead over here what what what what is something's dead hold on probably best if I click on this what what died was it a no an anomalocorus died you were literally the newest thing in here okay right so things are dying pretty quick what I would like to do is take control of the drone yes oh look at this this is so cool it's just like Nigel Marvin the closest I'll ever get health is going down but it's got nothing to do with food or stamina it might have whacked itself on the side of the tank and it's a maze you know we've come so far than now you know these these aquatic creatures will do that and the before they were like oh well you just stick them in there and does it really matter not really they could just kind of do whatever they want oh hello I died first yes so we've got five deaths already I don't know what this whale is doing it's probably going to line up the shark or maybe you are do we have oh we only have two whales but oh oh the rig you know what it kind of it kind of works you wouldn't have thought that this was a mod you think oh this could be legit oh oh oh oh oh it looked like they kind of had an interaction there I know the species can have interactions whether the same sorts of species but oh oh look at the mouth there wait what did it just die what just happened it just died hunted down by zero zero oh it must have been the gary or or something no it's just like I guess I died oh that's a shame it would be so cool to have seen it do something oh oh god oh it's got something so wrong with it it's losing health too there's a lot of scratches on it is it trying to I don't know I don't know what this thing's doing really you know what it is it doesn't like being in captivity we shouldn't have whales and dolphins in captivity this is proof they go nuts yeah I don't even know what this thing's doing man it's kind of now just going around the circles you were the chosen one you were supposed to kill things and look cool doing it da da da da da da da wait I don't want to scan it hold on hold on uh there it is can shoot them all so it's coming right for us you know how they attack the helicopters or you should have them attack drones man that would be awesome is it just oh okay bye it gets cold up to space did you oh you have to then airlift them if they have a problem but look at it it's like a giant hippo but a whale I love the detail this is all this this is by far my favorite close second is hump head wrasse we we cannot argue with the flawlessness of a hump head wrasse as you can see quite clearly right here although the guy real for some of the reasons absolutely ginormous and is able to kill I think everything let's see the awesomeness that is this tank oh there's one oh wait hold on the python is hunting down hump head wrasse oh what a shot I don't even know what the hump head wrasse is oh oh I think wait did it do it I think it did there was a wrasse here a second ago and then I think it ain't it so there you go for some odd reason they're not even lining up as if you know it's an alphalness or they're they're weirdly off-center and I don't know why that is it's not like the animation even continues like it's eating it which I think it kind of does it's just sort of glitches which is strange why haven't I been doing this friggin capture mode is exactly what I wanted look at it it's like a giant shrimp you don't know whether you're coming or going in fact a lot of you don't I think he's also going around in circles yes he is oh that looks so good look at that shot man that looks awesome look at its eyes it's coming right for us the giant silhouette you know this is very clean water this is the ocean I wouldn't even be able to see that I think I love that you can just go Whaaaaa that's great like you just made like a huge aquarium you can do that for ages the only thing is that because these uh are all modeled after the alphalness or there's not much showling that goes on like they're all sort of just like separate you think if there was maybe they would like go together especially with the hump head wrasse or something but they're all very individualistic like there's not like a friendly animation where they all showle together so frontier if you listen oh what's what's happening there I think it ate something that I don't know what it was but again didn't see it but frontier if you're listening like put in something that shows and then everyone can just like mod and put a other like fish onto it'd be great you please do that none of the other sticks so we don't want that oh oh you're going for it I think you might oh that's the dead one stinky oh yes it's a bloody shame the animation's broken though because that would look amazing oh oh oh am I too oh oh maybe we're gonna look not look too bad uh leop it's like free willy oh oh to be eyes bye whoa look at those teeth man terrifying well whoa let's see this I want to see the whale come on whale yes whoa look at it dangled dingle dangle and bush unfortunately doesn't really have much of a or any of the shark at all but at least it eats that's the important thing but yeah when it comes to like um you know the creatures uh lagoon creatures in this game it definitely feels like they've been left out somewhat because even the pteranodons they can you know they can break out they can attack other dinosaurs they can pick up guests whereas when it comes to the lagoon there's kind of not much you could really do um some more unique animations would be quite cool maybe you know if a dinosaur was airlifted over a lagoon the bigger dinosaurs would eat it and and stuff like that uh but the potential is definitely there I feel like if we had just an update that focused on you know maybe just giving a better life to the aquatic creatures it would really help because it shows you know all these mods that have came out four aquatic creatures there is love for them they are one of the most fascinating types of animals that you can have in Jurassic World Evolution 2 it's a shame that they are really kind of just relegated to you know a fish tank and it's like oh you can put different things in the fish tank that's kind of it because they could be so much more than that I mean even just seeing like a Leviathan a huge whale you know maybe decorations on the side of it so it's not just a blank I don't know there's so much we can see and do and potential here it's whether or not Frontier decides to follow through with them better we guys leave your comments in the comments down below do you think these creatures would make a good addition to Jurassic World Evolution 2 in a DLC or you know be nice if it's a free update of course I'll love you and leave you guys on the till next time I'll see you cuties later oh bye bye


This afternoon, I invoked the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to accept, perform, and prioritize federal contracts for ventilators.  And we've delivered thousands of them. And oftentimes you don't need ventilators very much. Hospitals don't have very many. And now we're turning out that we have to produce large numbers. But we've been able to do that, and we're going to be doing a lot more. What about ventilators? New York City Mayor DeBlasio said today would be the day his city could run out. Governor Edwards said his city or state could run out on Thursday. Is there a plan to expedite the manufacture of ventilators? Real quick, I just wanted to remind you all about the DroneTech Politics Discord server. Come check it out. We talk politics, share news stories, and play games. There's also going to be some exclusive live streaming events from the Discord server here in the near future. And speaking of live streaming events, on Thursday, April 9th at 1pm Eastern, I'm going to be attending a pro-constitutional rights rally at the Ohio State House. It should be quite interesting.  How many times have we heard from CNN personalities that they're not politicizing this outbreak? Brian Stelter himself has said that to suggest that it's just a right-wing conspiracy theory while he brazenly and obviously politicizes the outbreak. But this isn't about Stelter, it's about Jake Tapper. And a ludicrous segment on his show with the lower third's title, Mr. President, what's the plan? A really weird question to ask considering he's been giving two hour long briefings every day for the last two months. Briefings, by the way, that CNN and the other DNC media desperately want to stop covering. We'll get right back to exposing this latest media con job, but first I have an important message for all my viewers. 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If I can take a moment, I would like to speak directly to one person known to watch this show or at least clips of the show, President Trump. Is there a plan for widespread testing of every American so as to isolate the virus the way other countries have done? Did you all notice how he's clearly reading the teleprompter here? I mean, that may always be the case, but in this instance, the camera zoomed way in and you can tell he's reading something.   Implying that the President and his task force haven't addressed these questions already multiple times. First off, his question about the plan for widespread testing of every American. Dr. Fauci addressed this very question saying that it would be impractical to test everyone in the country. Not taking a test for some reason. I have no symptoms. I know. I only do it as we see it. But not everybody in the United States should take a test. Not even South Korea, the touted model for response to this outbreak, has tested everyone in the country. What other countries is he talking about exactly? Where's the fact check? No other country has tested the entire population. Second, his question about who will administer the tests. Is this a real question? Who does he think is going to administer the tests? It'll be doctors and professionals.  In other words, it's propaganda. Is there a plan to make sure doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals finally are able to get the personal protective equipment or PPE that they need? What about ventilators? New York City Mayor DeBlasio said today would be the day his city could run out. Governor Edward said his state could run out on Thursday. Is there a plan to expedite the manufacture of ventilators? Are any companies being compelled by the U.S. government to make ventilators? This afternoon, I invoke the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to accept, perform and prioritize federal contracts for ventilators. Oh my God, where has this man been for the last two weeks? Just a few days ago, President Trump announced that companies like MyPillow, Honeywell, Jockey International, Proctor & Gamble, and United Technologies were going to be ramping up production of PPE. And by the way, he also announced that companies like General Motors, GE, and Ford are going to be pumping out ventilators. Maybe Tapper knows nothing about this because the majority of media coverage has been focused on attacking the MyPillow CEO guy who, by the way, is going to produce 50,000 Prizes of PPE for healthcare workers. But all of this is news that would help improve Trump's approval numbers with Americans. So the media has to try to encounter it by just pretending like it never happened. And what about DeBlasio in New York City? While we're at it, what about your favorite guy in the whole wide world, Andrew Cuomo? Why doesn't New York have the ventilators that they need? Well, in 2015, the New York State Task Force on Life and the Law and the New York State Department of Health set forth guidelines warning that New York would see shortages of ventilators in the event of a pandemic. Yet New York still somehow doesn't have the ventilators they need. Where's the finger pointing? Nope, instead, CNN is running cover for their favorite Democrat politicians. This is not about winning a news cycle on Fox. Please. It's a moment that requires leadership. It requires honest information. OK, so you see how serious this is. He's using the opportunity to take shots at his dominant business competitor. He's literally just doing what he's accusing Trump of doing.  I'd suggest that your little performance here is only going to serve to increase the public's distrust of the media. That's all for this episode. 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Welcome everyone. It's the 25th of August. This is documentation office hours Asia topics on my list. Google summer of code Choosing a plug-in bill of materials version add the existing requirements and support policy to a new chapter. I can show you a prototype of that and then veil.sh a command line for Making suggestions on text and DevOps world tour. Any other topics should like to be sure we discussed today. Interesting stuff. Go for it. Okay, so Chris Google summer of code, which, which are the topics are most of interest to you or which ones should we let ride for this session so we've certainly got tutorial improvements from Asher Tosh right and the project is the docker compose project. We've got the new site layout demonstration recorded in today's in UX SIG and in today's docs office hours Europe. Great. Okay, and then The others get lab plugin modernization that is not as directly directly related to documentation. And the fourth was or is why is it not registering for me. Me too. Plug in health. Oh plug in health score. That's right. And that one. So that one has been extended by about three weeks right. Yep. So as I am in this project and site layout is been extended about three weeks. Four weeks. Oh, it's four weeks. Okay, great. Now get lab plugin modernization. Harsh has recently is deep in back in school. So we definitely don't want to extend that one and Asher Tosh. I think the decision was not to extend either. Yeah. Good. All right. Anything that you want to share or any highlights for many of those. I think it's like we all work still working out the details for the gas being blocked for the new layout or alternative building to project so that that was like just like my idea is to have like the process automated and stuff like having to use them. The strappy because they were going to use like on on the canvas recommendation of gas be dodgers and also strappy as a back end for storing the data. But normally it's like that they have it's platform or portal for strappy. You have to use it's called it's kind of going to mean dashboard. But the thing is that I want to retain the current flow of like, processing blog posts. I'm not sure if that's sustainable. That's the consideration. I'm having. Okay, so, so is it that strappy doesn't provide a way to do reviews or what's the. It wouldn't be going through like the current like it would be very different from the way we're doing it now. Some people can do it like not everyone can do it. Okay, so it's, it's not publicly visible. We can make it publicly visible visible but it takes some work. Also like, so maybe for example, we can make everyone a reader that my way. But then like, not everyone can review it then maybe. That's the issue. So review comments are not allowed by readers they need to be a reviewer there's a different concept of reader and reviewer. And also it has to be done to be the portal or dashboard says it's kind of harder to have that way. We can we can make it work somehow to have the existing process. That would take some work to integrate like the whole setup with GitHub. Okay, so they've got they've got a front or they've got some form of front end integrated to their back end. That is not a GitHub pull request. Yep. Okay, all right. Interesting. Okay, but the, the, the, is that also for all non version documentation. No, just for blog posts. Okay. Non post. Non version documentation uses Gatsby directly. And get a pull request or how does some of them is like, in, I think, sometimes it's in and towards something in Gatsby. They should be they should there wouldn't be a part of the blog. I think hopefully we can set up so someone a block needs to be with our but maybe anything done with Gatsby to so I'm not sure if they figure out. Okay, version documentation uses and Torah and GitHub pull requests. Yep. And some non versions documentation to you. Yeah, right. Okay, good. So it's, if we set it this way, it would be and Torah for for GitHub pull request for all version documentation. Yep. And some non version documentation. Yep, that's correct. Okay, interesting. All right. Anything else you want to share there. And also, like, there's still a lot of work to to transition to the new workflow and new tooling. But we have to figure out the logistics to do so. Wow. Right. It's possible but we have to push it. Well, and we knew that there was a risk as we started this project that the new site layout was enormous. Right. So that's, that's not a shock. But the fact that we've got great demos and great concepts is already a victory. I think so, yeah. I think I did a quick job. Oh yeah, no question in my mind, just watching the layouts that he's been able to generate. Yes, it looks very nice. Good. I think it's still managed as in as separate branches or how are, how are the versions managed in his current prototype. I think it's the separate branches for now. Good. All right. Great. Anything else on the site layout. Okay, so I guess I can give you some status of what I know about the Docker compose project. It needs, it needs one or more new Docker new Docker repositories and Docker containers in those repositories. And the infra team can't take on can't do those Docker repositories currently, they just there. They've got too many urgent things that have got to happen instead. So we could do we could create a prototype. It uses Asher Tasha's or Bruno's personal repository personal containers for now. Not published to the Jenkins site we just keep we should not publish something to the Jenkins site that depends on a private repository that's that's a personal repository that's a mistake. Yeah. It would give us a chance to test drive the workflow test drive updating for new versions, etc. Yeah. Good. Okay. Any, any questions on the Docker compose project. Nope. Okay and on plug in health score unrelated to documentation likewise forget lab plug in modernization. No, no question about get that plug in modernization. Okay, go ahead. I've been asked like, how do you think about like at inviting harsh, maybe to be a co maintainer. Oh, that would be great is you think harsh is interested in being a coma co maintainer. I'm not asking, but I will invite him if it's okay with you, but I don't expect him to do much work while he is studying maybe maybe he can add like that more effort later on once he's like more have more time. Or once his education is over. Sounds good to me if, if I would love to have harsh, harsh remain somehow connected to the Jenkins project but I agree with you that education is his first priority it's most important that he finished that university education successfully but I fully supported if you'd like to continue to be involved. Yeah, so let me ask him. I was going to. Okay. Anything else on get my plug in modernization. Okay, so then I've got a question for you and for Meg. Let's look at I wanted to scribe an issue. And let's talk about how we would, how we would address it. Okay, so here's the issue. So this is from Kay Leonard. First name I think is, yes, Kyle, from Kyle Leonard. Kyle is a plug in maintainer so that's the persona we're dealing with Kyle likes to use the Jenkins plug in bill of materials. And the plug in bill of materials is a great choice because it allows you to avoid declaring explicitly which versions of plugins are in your dependency list. You said you just declare, I depend on this plug in and you rely on the plug in bill of materials this thing to provide the version number. So Chris I know you already know this this is mostly for makes benefit. All right so so that this is the thing that they insert this little block of text into their plugin palm file. Kyle correctly asked what's the value that I put here, the ellipsis there tells us, ah, it's not a known thing. I said well which one is it, and why would I choose that one. So here's here's the it's okay. What version and should I just go here and select the latest without caring about what version of Jenkins I put here, because this number 2.387.x is derived from a Jenkins LTS baseline. So it can be the 2.361 or 2.387 or 2.332 or 2.401 or 2.415 and and which version you choose there. Does that somehow have a relationship to this version number and the answer is yes it does. Okay so any questions on the setup to the to the problem statement. Nope. Nope. Okay, so now let's talk about about the the the situation so each each artifact ID this bomb dash Jenkins version number has a corresponding set of one or more releases of the of the build materials that are associated with it. But eventually we stop updating older versions and only update the newer versions and you can see that here. 346 the the newest version is 1763. That's when we stopped updating 346 for 361 the newest version is 2102 that's when we stopped updating that one. 375 the newest version is 2198 and the dot whatever. Now 387 and 401 the newest version. This is actually no longer the newest version, because this one is still being updated, and the newest version number is a larger number than that. Okay, question so far. I do have a question so at the time of the black of like this information is fast. So that is the latest version that was the latest version. When when I wrote this comment. Two weeks ago. At that moment in time this was the latest version. Now, however, if I instead look at the latest version let's go look at it just to show proof that, in fact, the latest version is 2357 not 2312. So there have been 45 changes since the point when I took this, I answered this question two weeks ago. And this number just keeps increasing on lines of the bill of materials that are actively being updated. Okay, no question so far. No. All right, so then now. Okay, now this is where it, it's a challenge right because we've got some lines where we can give the answer with confidence it will never change. This line if you if you chose 346. That's the correct version. No need to update it no need to revise it in any way. If you choose 361. This is the correct version it will never change because we've stopped updating that version. This one. It changes at least once a week, because we released a new version of the bill of materials pretty much once a week. So, my thought was, okay, we could and this was what I had put in the, we could put into the documentation of this repository into its read me. Here it talks about usage right. We could extend this thing by saying giving examples for each of those versions. 387. Here's a specific example. 341. Here's another specific example 346. And notice that I named these because they have certain significance right. This one is static, and it's the first Jenkins that requires job 11. This one static because it's the last to support job eight. Okay, so, so those three I could imagine but we've got two more now. 2.401. And 2.414. Yeah. And those are all actually tracked in a page that describes this process. Where is our, our page that describes the process let me show you that page. So it's called choosing a Jenkins version to build against. And here this is where Jesse Glick and Daniel Beck and others have helped us formulate guidelines to choose what should be your Jenkins baseline. And when you choose your Jenkins baseline that's the same version you should church choose for the bill of materials. So, and this page thankfully is automatically maintained. And notice that it says here 2.387.3 and 2.401.3 are good core dependencies, or you might consider 414.1. Now, those things two weeks ago said 2.401.3. And this one would have been 387.3 and this one would have been 375.4. And that would have been enough to be updated automatically. Now, how do we do the descriptions and where. All right, so my thought was the easy one is put them in the read me in this files read me and put specific examples with the option to write some update CLI code to automatically insert the version number here shortly after a release. And it would truly be as a plugin developer I just copy and paste this section and paste it into my code. No need to teach people anything just say copy this. It would yeah so because of because of the magic of update CLI there's a there's an action that gets assigned here just like we've got update CLI that's running already here. We could extend that definition and have it update submit pull request to update the read me. Okay, yeah, that sounds. For me that's a, that's an attractive option. I suspect the coding to do that may be more complicated, unless we do something like split split it out to a separate file swear. Okay, there's a file for three for the last. There's a separate version there's another file, and each of them is a different read me at the top level here, because there'd be a read me. Yeah, whatever. That way then update CLI only sees one version tag and only has to process one version tag that I need to talk to Bruno about he knows update CLI better much better than I do. I mean, is CLI is supposed to be a range of versions or just a single version single version. Okay. And real word I mean, what surprising me is that there's nothing here about which bomb my current plugin has been tested against. And that's a good point but that's actually right up here. So you choose you select the plugins LTS baseline. And, and that now this should probably be a link tells me choose the number I like. It doesn't say to your plugins LTS baseline should be a version that you have tested against and it's past or something like that. Well, and that's right. No, no, that you're not being pedantic at all but that is much more verbiage than needs than the expressing the concept you're trying to express needs to happen in this page. Okay, because this page describes the many different alternatives that might cause you to choose one Jenkins version or another as your minimum baseline so so this thing is giving you the what I call the engineering compromises between should I choose a newer version should I choose an older version. What's the impact if I choose a newer version what's the impact if I choose an older. Should I choose a weekly should I choose an LTS and why might I do that. And each of those is described here in this whole series of balancing between the competing priorities is all described here. So what if I have a version of the plugin that works on a set of somewhat current LTS releases, and then there's an LTS release that I do a different one for. And so, you know, like it's breaking so that the one that worked for, let's see, and minus two and minus three would not work for and current. Yeah, I want them both up there because both LTS is there still supported or all the LTS is there. Well, and so so the, the usual pattern there is a plug in a plug in starts with, where is that a plug in starts with, depending on an older version. 2.387.3 is a good example of an older version. This is, this is a relatively recent, as in within the last seven months, this was released, right. So this is, this is relatively recent, but not not brand not the newest. So, so it I'm using 2.387.3 that's my, my dependency I say you must have at least that it's the oldest that I will ever test with or support you on. Now, some change happens in Jenkins 2.414.1. And I decide I want to consume that change I want to be able to use that change then I will increment this version number to 2.414.1 and I then have to change this to 2.414.x. Is that what you were asking, Meg? Yeah, well, what if I still like in that in your example 2.387.3 is still out there and I still want my plug in to be available to people who are running that. It is because, because the previous version I shipped. So let's get very specific. I shipped get plug in 3.0 that requires 2.387.3. Okay. The new hot feature comes out in Jenkins 2.414. I absolutely want to use it. I could create get plug in 4.0 that requires 2.414. 3.0 is still available for users of the old line and I can actually continue releasing incrementals I could release 3.1. I could release 3.2 and we do that relatively frequently, especially in the context of security releases. So artifact ID and that that's why it's point X that will pick those up. Right, exactly. So this read me link to that other page about how it does not and that's that's one of the things already this phrase here, selecting your plugins LTS baseline, I think should point here. I agree. That makes for me that just that makes sense that it should. Otherwise it's like I like the number seven. Right, right. And so, so here I'm even going to do it while we're here because I think it's just as simple for us to do it while we're here as to. So the idea being that after selecting your plugins baseline like that. Okay, so commit the changes. And we're going to say, link to choosing a Jenkins version. Docs. All right, and we want a new branch. Prepare for more details. About version selection. From version selection. There we go. Okay. And new branch. So let's call this link to do. Version choosing chooser. Okay, got it. Link to choosing a Jenkins version. Start of improvements. Based on number. Number. Oops. Now we've got to see what the issue ID was. Oh, it's not that. Just a minute. Sorry, I have to make a good poll request. It's 2359. Okay. And make sure you're opening from a topic branch, which we are. Title represents describe what we did. Yes. Link to relevant issues. We did that. Link to relevant poll requests. Tests. And slash a. I think we're ready to submit it. Okay. Po request created. All right. So that when I think we've, we've got agreement makes sense. We just, we put that into the read me. Now. What do you think about? So here it says import the latest bomb from that line. And my thought was. Put sub put subheadings here. Three at least three different subheadings. One for this one. Current recommendation one for. First Java 11. And one for last Java eight. So does that seem reasonable to the two of you? Yeah. Okay. And I can do that separately. We don't need to do that during this session. Then. Then Joseph Peterson asked the question. Hey, shouldn't we also. Have something about choosing the bomb version in this page. And the more I thought about it, I thought probably not, but we ought to have a link from here. To the, to the bomb instructions. Then the question is which bomb instruction should we take them to. Because the precisely detailed bomb instructions are here in the, in the bomb read me. These are the most accurate, the most precise, the best engineering description. There's an alternative, which is here in the. In the tutorial for developers in the developer guide, improve a plugin. There's this thing with a video that talks about use the plugin bill of materials. But it is not nearly as detailed as, and in this case at the moment, it's actually wrong, right? It's this thing is manually maintained and needs to be upgraded from 2.375 to 2.387.3. And needs to have a new version number here. So the, the bill of materials repository is probably the better choice, not this tutorial. I would why not both. Okay. What I would say, you know, for, for the full explanation, go to the read me file. If this is your first time. If you're just getting started here and want a tutorial. Go here. Oh, okay. Good. Interesting. If they need, if they're a novice to this, they probably need the whole thing on using the plugin bill of materials. Anyhow. Right. Right. Good point. So, so they could get a, Hey, if you want a video overview, here's this thing that gives a video overview for, for details refer to the official documentation in the plugins, repository in the plugin in the bill of materials repository. Good. I like that. I mean, if there's a reason to have both documents, and I think there is, then they should both be referenced. The writer uses too many X rest probably, but. Okay. Very good. I like that. All right. So let me make a quick note of this one. Of that. So. Whoops. And risk. Stern. Both felt that we should. Should include a link. To the plugin bill of materials tutorial page. And to the. Documentation in this repository.  This repository. In the page. So let's let me get. This one. And then. Okay. Good. Excellent. Thank you. All right. That, that was what I wanted to review. There any other comments that you want to provide before, before we go on to next topic. Nope. Nope. Okay. So next topic is we had talked last week or several weeks ago about the concept of adding the existing requirements and support policy documentation to a new chapter of the user handbook. So for reminder's sake, here's the user handbook. It looks like this. So it's got installing. Using managing. System admin scaling and troubleshooting. But in addition to all those things hiding under installing here. The Linux page has links to. Java requirements. Web browser compatibility. Windows support policy. Linux support policy serve the container. All useful things. But they're not in any place in the table of contents. So not easy to find. And. Not obvious to, to readers. Oh. This is an important part of, of your experience. So the idea that we had discussed several weeks ago was, let's put create a new chapter. And the, the where the prototype has put it is right after troubleshooting Jenkins called platform information. And what I wanted to do was show that to you so you can see how it's going. And we talked further about structure. You okay with that? Sure. Okay. So compile. Just a moment. So. Still building, still building, still building. Why is it after troubleshooting? That's a, that's a good question right now. It's after troubleshooting because that's where Kevin put it. Okay. No other reason. That is there's absolutely no other reason that it's after troubleshooting, except that's where it's been placed. We can suggest any place that we think makes sense. Okay. Okay. So let's go to the user guide and here we see already now there's platform information. Yeah. Okay. So, so first victory. Now let's jump into it a little deeper by going to various places. Let's go to any one of them and it stays there. So it travels up and down as we'd hope. So here's the platform information section. It's got two subsections, one called Java. And Java has three pages in it right now. Java requirements, Java eight to 11 Java 11 to 17. It will have a fourth upgrade Java from 17 to 21. Okay. So, so Java, but notice now we are two levels deep. In the nesting here. And, and it, it does expand and contract. And we've got, we've got at least one other place where we're doing that kind of thing. Sorry, what was that proxy configuration? Yes. Yes. Exactly. So we've got reverse proxy configuration that does in fact go a second level deep because each reverse proxy is sort of a sub set or a specialization of the more general purpose top level thing. Right. Yeah, exactly. They are effectively subsections. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's good. Chris's experience with the new, new thing. You know this very good. Okay. So, so the thought was with Java we've also got subsections. And now the navigation there is a little surprising for me in that it expanded both when I clicked on one of them. Oh, okay. And, and I haven't, I haven't investigated to see if that's, that would happen here as well because right or in the system admin page, because right now we've only got, I believe the only thing that has additional nesting in it is reverse proxy configuration on this. And it could be me, so I may be able to fix it, but can I take a look at the PR? There's not a PR yet. This was Kevin, Kevin handed to me said, Mark, this is completely broken. Why is it broken? And I was able to find one thing that fixed it enough to put, make this visible. So he's, he's not ready for a PR yet. He's still, he's still very early prototype. Okay. So when we get to PR, I'll certainly let you know, Chris. Yeah, because I think it's something I did because I was just not thinking about having to level to two folders. Maybe it depends like, because can we see the IDE for this? Is that just when we check something that when you say IDE, you mean, Oh, sure. Absolutely. Here. So, so it's in content. If I remember right, is it note docs? Hang on. I've got to go navigating now. Content. Doc. Book. Platform information. Okay. So here's the chapter definition for it. Okay. And then under Java. Here's the section. Yeah. And then if we go back here under support policy again, here's the section. Yeah. I think it's like something more, more like something else. When you change the code. I did it. I, I wasn't thinking about. Like. Where we get to the, like, no. Okay. Like, it was. Well, so, okay. So. I'm going to use this as my excuse to ask a different question. Then what if we attempted to flatten this. Into. A single list. Rather than Java and support policies. What if it was. Everything at the top level. Java requirements. Upgrading eight to 11, 11 to 17, 17 to 21 Linux support policies. And platform information only had things one level. One, one level down in it. What would the two of you think in terms of how does that feel structurally? It depends how many items there are. Is this the full list of items that there would be. This is almost the full list. So there are. Oh, I love your rule of seven. I bet that's where you're going. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay. So here are four items. Right. Those. There are four items. And those items. I don't expect to add many more to them because. This thing. It's very slow for us to add something to it. We added, we started with a windows support policy. Some years ago. I knuck. I caved and. Did the Linux support policy. We realized we needed browser and servlet content. We needed. And that's sort of reached the limit. And here, Java requirements, we get. General purpose Java and then upgrade for each transition. So eight to 11 is one. 11 to 17 is two. 17 to 21 is three. So we've got a total right now of eight. Leaf nodes in this. It would, it will grow in two years. To be nine because then we'll be going from 21 to 25. We still be keeping the eight to 11 at that point. I don't know if, if we would bother to keep eight to 11, because I hope by that time. We will have version documentation. And you can't do eight to 11. When you're upgrading from something that is. Only supports Java 17 or only supports Java 11. Right.  If it became a list of 30, I think we've got a problem. Right. And, and I, I can't see it ever becoming a list of 30. But what I can see is, because I do like what you're saying. If it started to get too long, it could be a hybrid. But it could be a hybrid. If it started to get too long, it could be a hybrid. So we could have like Java upgrades. Right. Right. And under that have the different ones. That seems to be the thing that's going to. Right. There is, there is, there is certainly, there is an excuse that would say, Hey, we could do nesting. But as I look at Kevin's prototype here, I wonder, should we even bother with nesting? Let's, what if we just remove support policies and instead put these four items at the, at the immediate level below platform information? Uh huh. Yeah. Actually, I like it without the nest anymore. Because I can't defeat the perpetrator section. Yeah. Okay. Good.  Particularly when they, the two of them expand. At the same time, it, it doesn't do the information hiding. That I might have been hoping for. Right. So the current expanding contract behavior. I would have thought, oh, support policies. I only want to look at support policies, but it's expanding more than that. Right. And I could argue, I mean that actually the Java is Java support policies too. Right. Right. Right. It, this, the Java requirements could, could easily be rephrased as Java support policy. And then they're all support policies. And maybe it's, if we're looking to the future, then we say in a future day, it might be support policies and upgrades. But then, then again, if it's upgrade, I might want to, I might want to chapter upgrading Jenkins. Just like we've got a chapter installing Jenkins. Yeah. Okay. So I think what I'm hearing from the two of you is you'd be okay if this were flattened. Yes. Yep. Okay. Good. So I may propose back to him that we just go ahead and flatten it simply because it's, there's not so much information that we need to levels of nesting. Right. Great. And if it's some time it is, it starts to become unwieldy, we might nest one section of it or something. Right. Right. Well, and that would, that would be more and more akin to what this thing is doing where we've got one very special case, reverse proxy configuration. And it really is a very special case, right? These are specializations where you choose only one of them as a user. You don't pick, you don't say, Oh, I'm going to do two different reverse proxies. No, you choose one and you stick with that exact one. Right. But I may care about Linux and the browser. Right. Right. This, in terms of support policies, you probably have Linux and Windows. You certainly care about browser compatibility. So three of these items under support policies, plus Java requirements, you care about four of the five for sure. Now, servlets, we hope you'll, you just use the servlet we provide, but the other things really choosing a Linux version is a big deal. Choosing a Windows version is a big deal. Right. And the list that I see in the right frame, I like that order better than what's in the left frame. Oh, good. Okay. So Linux windows off very good, good point. So this is closer to my human interest priority. Human interest priorities. Servlet containers is the least likely for me to care. And, and the most variation occurs in which Linux version people are using. When I say if I see a list that has Linux and Windows isn't the next thing.  Yeah. For me, it's usually the other way around. It's like Windows. There's no Linux there. It's like, yeah. But you know, but that because those, and if you did, if we did have to sub nest, I mean, there could come a time maybe we have, we pick up iOS or something, you know. Yeah, right. We couldn't get to a point where we had to make a subsection for operating systems God forbid, but it's possibility. Yeah, I guess, I guess I could see, I certainly Bruno Verochten for instance has done experiments trying to run Jenkins on Android as an opera and running it native on Android. Now that that experiments kind of a dark kind of experiment, right, because I'm not especially interested in running directly on that any more than I'm interested in running directly on other more exotic things like the system 390 VM system. But I see, but I see the future of these, you know, because I kind of don't do as much on my cell phone as lots of people do. I keep my computers and I do things on the cell phone. I think that's going to have to wait till I'm in front of a real computer. But people are doing everything on them. No. It could happen. It could. Yep. Good. All right. So I will plan to I'll propose back to Kevin that, hey, we discussed it and we thought maybe flattening it would be the right choice given the content. And also I have something to raise. So it seems like we are like migrating to the tuition building website. So like maybe by the time we need to upgrade. If we're using a toy, it's a lot easier. Oh, good point. Okay. And I also found the culprit for the code like why he's not working. Because I just on the chat. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Chris. So, so is it worth fixing it so that this could expand and contract if we need it or is it just not worth the bother? Maybe not now. Okay. Good. There's, we, we don't need it as far as I can tell, because I think this should just be a single, a single depth list. Okay. Yeah. A list of depth one. There we go. All right. And I also think it should be up. Like I would put it after installing it actually. Oh, good point. Yeah. So let's, let's get. So the idea here was put it installing Jenkins platform information up there at the top rather than putting it down. That's something I can do as well. Good. All right. Anything else on this particular idea? No, nice work. Okay. Good. All right. Let's see. So, given that my level of exhaustion at the moment, I propose that we call it done for today. There is an interesting tool to just mention in past passing called veil.sh. That is a, an open source command line tool that's willing to make comments on your editorial style. Wow. Gavin Mogan said he's using it. And I don't know what, what his experience has been, but it offers suggestions and. So. What's he using it as a style guide then? Is he using Google? No, it hasn't built into its own thing. So I don't know what it's editorial style guide, but it's fast and dependency free, meaning it doesn't look at anybody else's thing. So I'm not what they're using for their style guide. Oh, I'm sure it's very, well, yeah, here we go. Absolutely. I'm going to try to avoid using first person plural like we. Yeah. Okay. So feel free to use we've instead of we have. Avoid using will. So it's, well, what is the right? It looks like, so. Google that parents Google that will Google that we. So that looks like he's using some from the Google style guide. Well, and that's since it says it's extensible. I suspect these are probably extensions, right? Google has a style guide veil has their own style guide and. And there are people obviously contributing. Things to the style. Right. It seemed from what I know, and I am not a style guide expert, except I've become extraordinarily good at avoiding exercises and creating a new style guide. I've done that just enough to. They don't want to do it again. But there's a lot of people who seem to believe in. That it's the Microsoft style guide that was handled down at my. Mount Sinai. I kind of like the Google better. Oh, I am the wrong.  Yeah. And I, I'm unfortunately. Largely oblivious to style guides at that level. So. Right. But there, because a lot of, I mean, a lot of it is just good sense. The big one that I look for is. Heter capitalization. Okay. One. I don't care to ever participate in another discussion. I have sort of what I prefer. I can live with any of it. Whoever feels strongest, you win. I'm done. Right. But. But what I do hate and I do this all the time is create a document that has a mix. But because we, I'm not working under a style guide that specifies it. So. Some days I do one thing. Some days I do another thing someday. I'm reviewing somebody's text and I make them change it. Other days, I say, I have to let it go. Right. Okay. All right. That's all that I had. I have to forewarned there will be some times in September and October where I'm unavailable. Because I'm a speaker at DevOps world tour in New York, Chicago and Santa Clara. Oh, yeah. And if you're in the Santa Clara area sometime, Meg, I may send ping you and say, Hey, I'm in town. I was going to say, I would love to see you. That would be fun. I agree.  I might add. Okay. I detected a hint of rebellion there. But okay, that's great. No, I just, I, I do not enjoy big conferences, even when I, you know, when I need to be at them. Sometimes I have fun, but I don't love them. So. But we can, there's lots of places we can get together. Abulus. All right. That's all that I had for today. Thanks very much. Recording will be available in about 24 hours. Terrific. Before you hang up, I have a very quick question for you. Yes, please. What version of Ubuntu do you favor right now? Right now I'm running 2204. Okay. That's what I was going to do. And then I saw there was 2304 and then everybody's excited about 2310. And I'm like, why would I go to 2.10 unless 0.04 is messy? Which made me think 22 sounds like a nice even number. Well, so, so I'd worry it depends on depends on how often you're willing to upgrade. So 22.10 has a, I think a six month life cycle. Or maybe it's a 12 month life cycle and 2204 has a 10 year life cycle. Wow. And so, so it's. Well, I'm installing a new computer to replace one that's running 18. Does that answer your question?  Okay. I got to say with something real, I mean, it wouldn't, and I'm, I'm vowing that I'm going to upgrade more frequently, but. Right. Yeah. So, so your other all your other choices are to go for 23. I would avoid 23.10 absolutely because it upgrades more frequently than you're willing to upgrade. And 23.04 does not have the 10 year life cycle that 22.04 does. Oh, okay. So that only their even numbered releases get that long life cycle. Okay. Okay. Good to know that I was trying to, I was going to go do the research and I thought, Mark will just know that would be so easy. Very, very good. Yeah. I'm actually, Mark's got some really hot topics about this thing. Java 1117 and 21 discussion that. Yeah, we've got some very interesting conversations about the next three to four years. How they will look for Java support in Jenkins. So, yeah. And then final question, did you have a wonderful time on your vacation? I did. Although I ran over my, my own foot with an all terrain vehicle. And so my foot swelled a little bit and no broken bones, but I'm limping a little bit. So Chris, I'm not sure if you recognize the term all terrain vehicle, but ATV is a four wheel, like a motorcycle with four tires instead of two tires. We were out in the dirt in the mountains and it leaned a little to the left and I'm a bicycle rider. So I put my foot out and then drove over it. Oh, Mark, I'm so sorry that I'm glad you didn't break anything. No, no break. And you know, just, just laugh and the doctors.  Right. Because there's no excuse for it. My brother who was with me said, this is not a bicycle. Don't put anything outside of the vehicle. Oh dear. All right. Thank you everybody. Have a great night. Thank you. Take care. We'll talk to you next week then. Bye bye.