So in terms of class, I think that when you leave this room, what you would like you to have is a bit of a language to talk about responsible tech, and you can decide as individual or as organization, if this is a movement that you would like to join. So we would like to give you a bit of a language, a bit of an example, and then kind of ask you, okay, and where are you, what do you want to be part of that? Yeah, so let's get started. Okay, so this is our agenda. We're going to deep dive into some of the concepts that Martha mentioned around what is responsible tech. We're going to show you our approach around it, and how we think in a system approach way we can make it really normal. We're going to offer you some collaborative group exercise to practice the thinking around responsible tech, and show you our approach about how we can build this field, and to make sure that we do collaborate with our sector, and kind of show you, share with you next steps. Yeah? Okay, so Martha gave you a few statistics, but it will be interesting. We are not going to present them here in any case, but it will still be interesting to see how many of you feel that Internet has made your life better as individuals, by raising your hand. Okay, so we have a good 90-something percent. You can make your life worse. Yeah, you're good. Okay. So somewhere in the middle, we will say. So we have two people sitting somewhere. Right in the middle, didn't we? Yeah. Okay, so from the survey we conducted, we got everyone, so 50% of the population, so this was representative of the UK population, 50% found that they made their life a lot better, some kind of a little better, and a really small percent actually said that it made their life worse.  Can we also have a review? Yes, let's talk about why, why would we say those? Well, because the Internet has been previously excluded from, you know, access to communication channels like the news or like, you know, political office, have a lot more ways to get their message out. However, negative, you know, it's also lowered the cost for negative messages and negative intentions to be spread. So there's a lot, the people who are benefiting are benefiting differently than they were before, but also were harmed in ways that they weren't before. Yeah, I agree. So I think that's a much more complex answer than what we got in our data, because as you can see, the data actually shows a really big gap, like 50% said that their life is better because of tech, but only six things that had a really positive impact on society. And this is, I think, not only about the gap, we actually, when we dive deep, this is very weird, I'm sorry, we have to turn around trade-offs, trade-offs of technology. So people say that they love the Internet, but when we asked about trade-offs, for example, between innovation and public service, people found those trade-offs to be unacceptable. So just to make that a bit clearer, I love to buy an Amazon, right? It's cheap and gets to my house. But if that would mean that all the shop in my local neighborhood will close, I might think again. So there are trade-offs. And people definitely feel overwhelmed with the power and potential of the Internet, and we are only expecting that to grow. So yes, now we have Facebook as like a big technology and everybody talking about what will happen with technology as machine learning, AI, robotics, Bitcoin will grow. And this is kind of why we really emphasize the point, now is the time for responsible technology, now is the time to think about, now is the time to define it, now is the time to start researching it, putting metrics and so on, not as with other technologies and we're kind of like looking back and thinking, oh, what could we have done differently? Which is still very important, but this is a complementary approach. So what is responsible tech? Marissa touched upon that. Responsible technology considers the social impact it creates and seeks to understand and minimize its potential unintended consequences. And the exercise we will do will be exactly around that and we're going to kind of feel that it's not easy, but equally important. So Marissa also touched about that, the kind of different values you can say and these are not exclusive. Other organizations have been doing amazing work in this field for almost two years and they have different definitions, it's a starting point, it's a thing that we'd like to break down and see how we can not bring it only into tech, but also into regulation, into research and so on. So dive a little bit deeper than what Martha went into, but we came up with three core concepts that sit underneath and support responsible technology. So the first is context, which is really looking beyond the individual user and considering the greater context environments that technology operates within. So that's considering the impact it can have on institutions and it's also going back to trade-offs, actually thinking through and capturing what those are. The next one is contribution. And so this is looking at the value that gets exchanged within a technology system. And so value in this case can mean formal labor as in the money that you pay a team to develop technology. It can mean informal labor, which is when people would enter information in the capture that then feeds into a machine learning system, or it could be your information. If I'm exchanging an email address and an access for a service, then that's value being exchanged both ways. So that's the first piece of it, but the second piece is then sharing what those value exchanges are in a very transparent and easily understandable way so that the user actually has the ability and power to make an informed decision about whether or not they agree and accept those trade-offs and those exchanges of value when they use that service. And then the last is continuity, which is really around ensuring best practice throughout the building, creation, maintenance, support of your technology. And so that's inclusive design, safety and security, doing all of your patches, all of those things that should be ubiquitous and yet aren't quite. Before we dive deeper into what everyone does, I do want to mention that we do not live in the bubble. This is a civic tech conference, and we heard a lot about the work of civic tech, but there are other organizations that are doing amazing work around our responsible and ethical tech. As you can see, the log is behind me. I will just throw a few examples. DeepMind has a great ethical and society research program around AI. A meteor just launched their Society and Tech Solution Lab, and they build and scale solutions for unintended consequences of the internet. There's a new Ada Lovelace institution. They do also research around understanding different definitions of ethics within tech. So the ecosystem is starting to build. It's very new, but they're a great work. And we are, everyone, want to contribute with our own methodology and our own ways. Dot Everyone, as Martha touched on as well, was founded in 2015 by Martha. We're a London-based think tank, and our current mission is to champion responsible technology for the good of everyone. We do that through researching how technology impacts on society, using that research in order to form different prototypes and testing that we can show what good looks like, and then collaborating and building networks, which is why we are here today, and exactly what staff just touched on now and will a little bit more later. And also, as Martha mentioned, we've been doing a lot of work in the last year, and what we've really discovered is that if we want to make a difference, then we really have to look at the big picture. And that entails taking a systems approach. And so this ecosystem is very, very complex, and the impact that technology can have on all of these different areas is very interplayed and connected. And so it's really important that we feel that it's really important that we do work in all of these different areas in order to make change cohesively and across the board. So right now, we're actually focused on providing knowledge and ability to all of these different parts of the system in order to make responsible testing normal. Okay, so let's deep dive into some of the data and the research that we do. So we're very much, our starting point is people. It's not users and it's all customers about how people and kind of what people think and feel around the internet. And our biggest piece of research is this report that's called the Digital Attitude Report. And we launched this a couple of months ago, and next week actually we're launching the other parts. The first part was around attitudes and feeling towards the internet, was it will be about how people understand the internet and if they understand the internet. So here are a few interesting statistics. Only a third of the people are aware that they have not actively chosen to share and have been collected. So for example, if your friends tag you in a photo, people don't understand that this can be shared. Fourth, I have no idea how the internet company makes their money. So I use, we all use Facebook and WhatsApp and LinkedIn all the time. People don't know how those companies generate any kind of revenue. This is from the new report. We have a specific section on online news and information. So just for example, 62% don't realize the news and information they see online can depend on the people they are connected to on social media. So again, don't really understand how these things work. Only 31% think most news and websites are trustworthy. But this is a good point to say that if you have questions, just ask them. Yeah. This is from the second part of the report. Yeah, next week and it's going to be on our website. Yes. Where do you get these stats from? These people from, like where are these people? Who do you mean? So it was naturally represented then surveyed across the UK. So 2,500 people were surveyed and we had interviews and focus groups. Yeah. How did you recruit people? So we took an external research company who was kind of expert in doing national surveys. And yes. And all the data can be found in that appendix of their course. So, yeah. Feel free to ask the real one. And it's interesting who people kind of hold account of this. It's not the tech company. It's our same government who's helping to ensure companies change customers, staff, society, therapy. And I find this extremely interesting because in the time that actually a lot of political institutions are more fragile, when it comes to technology, people want government to hold big companies to account. So, yeah. So we say one of the first steps into making the technology responsible tech than the normal is to make people understand actually what is tech? What are their consequences? How do you use it? Yeah. So then that feeds into the government piece. So out of the, based on the research, we kind of came up with a set of policy recommendations for the government. So the first being we really need government to invest in new forms of public engagement and education. That allows people to interact and understand these really, really complex issues in a new way that's not quite been done before, traditionally. We also need to do a bit more research and develop shared understandings and standards for understandability and transparency. And as we heard from the keynote yesterday, can be really complex if even the words that we're using to describe these things you know, it's hard to be agreed on those. And also we need to set up an independent body that's strong and is able to regulate in a whole so that people are accountable for the different problems that people encounter on the internet. But in order to do all of those things, we really need our government leaders to actually understand technology. And so, as Mark had mentioned, we're doing a lot of work within the government in the UK in order to help them bring up the upskill. But I think this is something that could very much be used in a lot of other countries across the world. Just to emphasize the point about independent body, because I think that's interesting when we conducted the interviews, people said, you know, in the UK if I have a problem, I went, as a consumer I went to buy, I don't know, clothes or even medical, some kind of medicine, I have a problem I know where to go to. I have a problem on the internet. Who do I go to? Who helps me? So that's kind of really emphasized that point. So, the internet has impact not only on people and consumers but also in communities. And even though it kind of like communicates in different ways, I think as a community we should also have the power to strengthen and protect what matters that is not digital. Or how can we come with community approaches to problems that the internet is causing? So this is an example of a project we did in London with an organization called Citizen Advice. And basically we tried to target the problem of pricing discrimination. You might notice that it's not as common as pricing personalization, which basically being, if you and I get the same, buy the same product online at the same time, we'll probably see different prices and if this is not because of simple supply and demand, this is because we come from different genders and different places and we have a completely different search history which is fair to say is discriminatory by nature. So then we thought, okay, as kind of putting our collective community power together, what can we do around it? And we designed a prototype Facebook now might steal it that basically it's a Chrome extension that you can actively choose to plug in, which means that when you go and buy the product, you see what price you get and you see other people who chose to share their prices and you can compare and then that collective power kind of enables you to make decisions around your purchasing on the internet. So this is kind of like how as community as sharing information, we can tackle some of these issues that the internet is calling. So yeah, we want to join the dots between social issues and the chronology, we want to expose them and we want to not only bring tech solution to community challenge, we want to bring community solution to tech challenges. Which brings us to the work that we're doing within the technology industry. So in order for technology to actually work with and around communities, then they need to basically understand their responsibilities and the different frameworks that they can operate within. So we've been doing work in this area for over, or just about a year now. And where we started was doing a number of workshops with people within the industry to come up with different aspects of what responsible technology is. And we then took those different aspects and built a prototype program where we got a number of startups to come in as partners. And most of these startups were already having a focus on operating ethically and a positive impact on society. But we asked them a number of very in depth questions about their business practices and the different types of obstacles that they faced and opportunities that they had around operating more responsibly. And so at the end of that we actually went back and we interviewed all of our partners around responsible technology and what their thoughts about it were and we put together a really short video which is quite pretty good. And not only the customers but also the people that they interact with as well. Doing good is good for business so should embrace that not just because of the business and commercial outcomes but because it's good for everyone socially and environmentally. I think being trustworthy is not just limited to to take just like a way of seeing business a way of acting in a way of being considerate to everything that is around your business basically from your customers to your employees to shareholders to the community and broader sense which is being trustworthy and being able to be accountable for your actions when you are. There is one chance to build a relationship with all the estate holders and if you are not if you mess that up then you might as well not be in your business. We acknowledge that you can't really draw a line as to what's good and what's bad as sort of like a state drone. So we are engaging in a journey and we are trying to find parties that can help us scrutinise what we are doing and provide a framework for us and even richer ethical approach and ethical framework for our business. Nobody gives you that, it's not like the past before a roadmap, you have to find your way through it and the fact that world changes so fast it's really hard to keep up. Every time you bring a new stakeholder in they might want you to do something that benefits them that doesn't benefit some of your other customers and stakeholders. Because we don't know where we will be in six months in some product that's evolving a lot we are considering so many different new products from our portfolio new things to do, new ways of doing stuff so it's really hard to when you are in an early stage start up to do some of the exercises. I keep seeing this everywhere more and more people are talking about doing good as good business. The future will be driven by people who buy because it's ethical. There's a lot to be done getting people to think about these things like what do you sign a word what do you sign a social network online what happens to your data and do you know what happens to your data and are you happy with that? This will become ever more important as a way to differentiate yourself and your business model both to your workforce the community around you and your customers to be funded or already funded and looking to launch to compete for customers in very hard markets what a new action and new insurance provider and so there's a lot of interplay and complexity that goes into these systems but this is just a really small example of a huge amount of different start ups that have approached us in the last several months that are looking to do the same thing and are looking for guidance around how they can be better and be responsible. This is our first cohort and now we've taken all of the input from that cohort and a lot of the things that we learned we've refined the different aspects of responsible technology and put them into the bigger definitions in those three concepts that we shared with you before and we're now creating a comprehensive system that interplays and supports each piece of it that provides tools that can be embedded within an actual sprint cycle in a business that will help you determine whether or not you're being responsible so the first piece of that is simply the information that you need around what these concepts are and how you can implement them and actually either be pitching it to your business leaders in order to adopt that practice or it could be if you're a lab or an incubator teaching us start ups within your cohorts how to implement that the next is an automated self-assessment tool that will actually ask you guided questions around what you're doing within each of those core concepts and produce a business dashboard that can be implemented again in any business and reviewed by tech leadership and we also have thought exercises around each of the concepts that again will help you think through the consequences and the impacts of your technology so the one for context that we're making is actually be very similar to a board game where it will literally be the developer sitting around your room being able to play a game that will help them tease out how their tech can influence different areas and then the last is a resource guide that will contain a number of best practices and example policies and things that people can leverage to put in place so we're looking to actually embed that system within businesses at the product donor development level and then with the same leadership guide that we're creating for government leaders to complement that at the COVC speed level now we can get to the front part yeah so we're going to do our exercise very shortly maybe two groups I believe but let me give one more example before we drill down and you'll probably kind of wondering why there is a force in the end of the 19th century picture a couple of months ago the Economist I don't know if you saw it but you should did a big report on ADs on the Economist vehicles and they did a whole section on unforeseen foreseen and unforeseen consequences of this new technology I always think that when the Economist does something it means that it's the beginning of mainstreaming so you know only maybe in kind of in ADs but I think this example is a really good framework for us to think about these things so that example goes like this you know in the 19th century the London time kind of went with this huge call and said one of the biggest problems, social problems of that time is horse manure and they predicted by 1940 the entire city of London would be just filled with shit and this is not only a smelly problem this is also a social problem because it caused a lot of diseases and that smell of pollution and so on so when the cars came around they were seen as this amazing innovation to solve this solution and for many eyes to solve this problem and if it was in many cases because again it doesn't stink not from shit at least maybe from other things but it also had this amazing social impact with it having less freedom to go places it changed the way the shopping mall it's going to kind of change our life but it did have infinite consequences which they are very clear from congestion and pollution and accidents so until today 1.25 million people die each year from car accidents which is a huge problem which IVs say now they're going to solve so the statistics go that when IVs will be implemented the death in the US will drop so this is about saving lives amazing social impact but it will also have different social impact it will again probably change the way we shop and the way we trade now I need to go get a haircut I can take it away to work for the names of the examples being shared with about you as me why not you see this is not getting creative about how these technologies work suddenly Facebook doesn't seem such a pretty thing but I mean just saying so another interesting example is around a dating app they do serve it and say why would I spend my evening with a stranger now I have this technology an app we know much better about my preferences and I can just share my date into work all good so these are kind of like social impact that I might generate and what about the consequences so one thing that I do think about is really interesting is organ trash play so most of the organs today come from young people who die in car accidents no car accidents, no organs so there's a big one, a smaller one but still very interesting is that they predict that cigarette consumption holds off because most of the cigarettes are actually being bought in petrol stations and we won't have petrol stations so again this is only what we can think about so I think this is a very interesting example of how shifts in 150 years will completely change our society but we should not and they conclude the article and we kind of agree that we should not be naive around how great less people will die which actually think about what are these unintended consequences and how we shape them before they shape us okay so this is a quick run through but I think you'll get the point by now but yeah although actually I do want to be quick so even if you're building tech for good your tech can still have unintended consequences so just because you have all the benefits in the world doesn't mean you're exempt from having an impact on society that might be negative whether intended or not and so this is now the end of the thought exercise so this is a real tech startup in London that currently has like they developed this technology it's being prototyped and developed now so it hasn't scaled yet and you don't need to worry too much about the actual technology and the understanding of it but essentially the way this technology works is you are able to lock into a virtual reality system and with your mind control the trauma and so the uses that they envision and they're called themselves a tech for good is that this is going to save a lot of lives it means in a police situation you can send if you have somebody in a house and you don't know you can send the drone in instead of a human being so it reduces risk if there's a wildfire you don't need to send in firefighters to fight the flaming blazes you can send in the drone if someone is lost on the sea in a small boat you can stand on the shore and send the drone out and find them probably much more effectively and send out a couple of different boats or helicopters so they have all kinds of uses for this technology that they think can really save lives but are asked to but the first case is as we mentioned this is taking a systems approach there are different parts of the system so as a group choose which part of the system you would actually like to be and then we're going to ask you to come up with what the different impacts of this technology could actually be not just its intended uses but its unintended ones then we're going to ask you within your chosen role what would you do to reduce or minimize those impacts then we'll just have you kind of share what you've come up with we've put on this more information so this is an article about this company I think it was in the forums we're not making this up this is actual technology I don't know if you have but you can go on yeah these are older if you want I'm going to go now next to the dozer one sorry no worries I don't know I'm assuming within a minute and we also have in-depth instructions on each piece of and to say you were a community you could be the government if you wanted to be government could either be like a local government like the city of London or the UN it's a civil society that's essentially what we are here doing a little bit of time for a human rights organization so two doesn't really change depending on who you are but three and four and then I'm going to come back and do this wholeheartedly oh yeah there's a lot of PR so this is more the tricky part I don't know if there's something on the other side I'll be not so let's assume it's like a super drain don't worry about it yeah what do you mean choose a policy choose a policy for an individual community so who do you want to reply to by what lens do you want to think about what do we want to be do you want to be the government what do you fancy the government all want to be the prime minister at the end oh no I don't want yeah I don't have strong opinions back at one yeah that's part of it identify some of the potential impacts of what is obviously the most difficult one narrow it down to the top two you can also say practical impacts as an individual how do you best use this tag switch to post maybe let's do that throw everything you have it doesn't really matter like which ones everything actually because you come from both taken government it could be interesting to get the different things if I was an individual doing a second it would just be for fun if you control the drain with your mind sounds like a fun thing to be able to do I think that's a big gaming problem sick pictures yeah or for crying if you were like an individual that was a bit morally like just seeing if you could use that checking out like scanning a place to see if you want to burgle it or not for example as a woman walking if I'll just have a drone above me I'll feel much safer walking in the streets real at night for example all more vulnerable by someone yeah I think being stalked by like a drone sounds quite daunting too much black mirrors but that is a kind of fun thing for rich people for example it's intended to be used by the police but what happens if private hands can get a hold of it yeah create or deepen an existing equality while it will be an expensive piece of pack right yeah I'm sure depends on how like the nearest thing is like delivery drains actually looks like this but even if it's expensive now and we're thinking 20 years like again yeah think about scale we can also think as an individual what our local government could use so there's this podcast where they talk about using drones to chase car robberies they used it somewhere in the town in the US I don't know and it would use the crime quite a lot because they could basically they were scanning the town 24 hours with an airplane with a drone and then they would actually see when the robbery was happening and you could trace the car where the robbers would escape civilians but that comes with privacy yeah but that's good let's put it all because I think yeah privacy is a huge issue here I could have bad actors for this tech yeah yeah blur the police into area the police think there's nothing wrong because the drone recorded nothing wrong oh wow what's going on in that mind that was really interesting well it's like in general like when you rely on tech to give you signal about like about the world you like tend to be overconfident and like there was the the only thing that's fine is like the big data study where Facebook tried to mark stories is not being true and then it makes people more likely to trust stories that aren't marked but like they could still be false just if Facebook doesn't know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we're going to ask you within your chosen role what would you do to your life the risk so if you're in government you would do something very different yeah it's really frustrating yeah so there's just a few paragraphs that I haven't envisioning there I mean I think we should be in government because we have a lot of power and things that we'll come up with we'll be hilarious so both of them national trigger national national probably the hardest also it's a transfer yeah so I guess one of the other questions would be as a national government um how would you best use this technology would you buy it what scenarios would you use it in would you do a bad evaluation do you think anyone could be used it could be bad but this tech could be used for good I mean a democrat we're definitely a democrat that is the next question if we were just a government not a department there's a really horrible obvious one it could be used for the defence department where they could just think of a war instead of having one that's a virtual virtual warfare yeah guys sorry but this is a bit too much


Welcome to Toffy TV. It is the match preview Manchester United versus Everton at Old Trafford. Eili kickoff on Saturday. Old Trafford is always... It's always a traditionally hard place to go in it. You'll have only ever seen Everton win once at Old Trafford in your lifetime. There's been some good games, obviously the one in 2030. We were there first when Oviados got the winner. Obviously we had a good result there last year, only because we were 2-0 down. And we scored in the last minute and I felt like I'd win. That's true. And 4-4 in 2012, that was a memorable one. We've had draws and stuff in the last few years. We won 0 up and we ended up getting a draw. They got a last minute penalty. We had a few draws there. Traditionally growing up it was always for me. You'd go there and you'd never get anything. You'd play well and never get anything. Or you'd be in a good run and you'd get bounced all over the place. They were the team to try and go and impress, weren't they? They were, but at the moment it's not necessarily the case. But it still makes it a difficult game of course. I still think they're a team to beat. They're a team that's filled with the likes of City and Liverpool and Chelsea, miles ahead of the rest. But out of those teams you feel like they're the most... You can still nick a win, but I reckon they're all because of their manager. I still think they'll be looking now and they've got a squad that can win the league. So imagine if they had a world-class manager and obviously Ali needs to prove that he deserves to have the squad. He deserves to have the job, sorry. On its week seven of Ultimate Fan, £8,500 to be a one. I've got packs to open. Let's get into my packs open really quick. L Gordon, never idea. Ae Barns, never idea. T-men guy, never idea. Never using those cards ever. My Gold Pack, Jamie Vardy. I've already got Jamie Vardy, so I will have to sub him out. Eric Dyer, I don't think he's making me team. 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Play along with it. Share your team with it as well every single week. We absolutely love playing it. You keep an eye on it over weekend. It's brilliant. The link is in the description if you want to play that. Listen, they've lost a couple of games domestically recently at home. You mentioned the The Villa Game, the West Ham game as well. They've started the season very unconvincingly, man United, very, very unconvincingly. You mentioned there prior about Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Those three teams do feel like they've got something really special about them. They've created an aura of invincibility around them. I don't think it's necessarily the same with Manchester United. I think they're trying to, and the signing of Ronaldo is that kind of step, where beforehand you looked at them and they think about teams in the Premier League. It is that thing of they look human and then suddenly they get a few signings in and suddenly you go against them. City has got that, like I said, Chelsea, Champions of Europe, getting Llecargo. Liverpool life, you think about playing Liverpool and you think about Salah O'Marney and all the good players they've got. They've created that aura of invincibility. Just the way clock talks, the way pep talks or even social talks. Manchester United has not taken quite half that. I think part of that is down to Solskjaer. He doesn't come across as a fella that massively convinces fans of the opposition. I don't know if he convinces his own fans. I always think that gives you that as an opposition fan. I don't know what you feel, but I look at them and think he's their weak part and as long as he's there, it's weird because what happened was when Sarge Fakeson went, they were, like, derubed. It wasn't necessarily that he didn't have good players. It was because people went and started going to old traffic. The fear factor had gone and the fear factor has never come back to Manchester United. That's not to say they're a good team. It's just that people used to fear going there and that beat them before they got there and that's what I'm saying. Those other three teams have got a better that now but I feel like Manchester United haven't got that back and that is the thing where you go. That's the thing and that's what you use. That helped us go there and feel like we could get a result.  I know the 4-4 is slightly different. That was coming towards the end. I think that's the difference with this. I think now you look at this game and go. I think if we were going to San Fabidio on Saturday, a lot of people would be like, no chance. I think if Lampard was a manager at Chelsea right now, it was the sort of manager I think he's not got the experience and the tactical nuance. No, you're absolutely right though. That was the difference when he was in charge and that's why they went to two shows because of that, but I still feel like that's the way we're at Solskjaer. I don't think he's aimed the respect of other people yet to go and have a fear factor because I think that they've got an amazing team. Don't get me wrong, they've got some great players. They haven't quite put it together this season properly. Don't get me wrong, they've won games, but they've not looked convinced really in a lot of the games, but I do think like the Ronaldo signing is to try and get that of like, oh, we're going to throw it off. Oh, they've got Ronaldo. That to me is like you are trying to create that fear factor that they used to have. Oli's match-winner isn't he really? Really, that villa, it's one of those tough games where a good manager would bring his star player on or have a player to bring on or you'd have Ronaldo on the pitch and you're trying to win the game. I don't think Oli's got quite the experience to unlock a team that's gone to Old Trafford and stayed tight and compact. Maybe that's the difference between winning the league and not winning the league as a manager. If the season for them, I think leadership experience and quality at the back. I think they're a number six short of winning the league, to be honest, with a better manager. I'm not convinced by Oli. I think they're more than a number six away from winning the league. I take your point, they're a number six away from really competing for the league. At least closing the gap. Like being really on the tails where Chelsea would have sent a forward the way New England would have sent a forward. Liverpool are, I still think Liverpool might be the best team for an 11. It's their squad. But the squad is the depth of the squad. Manchester United, I think you can pick holes in all of it. On the day, they've got a great team. It'll be interesting. Let's have a look at the team they played with last week.  McGuire and Varan, who's had a decent start. Whamber Sacker, Luke Shaw, Fred McTominay, Greenwood, Fernandez, Pogba and Ronaldo.  It was always going to take time. He's never played in the Premier League and it was always going to take time. To be fair, signing Ronaldo will allow him time to bedded. He took the pressure off him. Massively took the pressure on him. I looked at that team there and the back four, that's a really good back four, I think. Defensively solid. McGuire I've always liked and I don't think Barthes always liked them, but I've always liked them because I do think that when they haven't got them they are weak. Fran's an excellent signer and wants that bedding. But as you just said there, Fred and McTominay, Fred's a good player. He's very inconsistent. They're not going to win you. The good Premier League players, Fred's not had a good start this season but they're never going to win you really. When you look at the midfield and to hold the midfielders and then you look at Rodry at City and Fernandinho and Cante in Giorghino at Chelsea and Fabinho and Henderson at Liverpool, there's a big drop off. No, there is a big drop off and of course Pogba will come in there and do a job or do a job. Pogba is a fantastic player. We all know he's a fantastic player when he wants to be. He's an incredible player. For me it's about how you put it all together. But you know Fernand, absolutely incredible football. Obviously we've seen his penalty last week. Landed in Manchester. I wonder I just wonder I wonder how much his nose is going to be put out. I've joined by Ronaldo and I don't mean that from a personal level. I don't mean that from taking penalties or taking free kicks or I just mean I've had his role in the team because he's been he occupies that number 10 role brilliantly.  And don't get me wrong, we're now those now a traditional number nine but I just wonder how many of those spaces he'll take up that. One thing I noticed in the summer how ineffective Bruno Fernand this was for Portugal was really and I just wonder you don't want to lose that player for Manchester United. You've got to find the way putting it all together. You've got to get the link up between them two. Jesse Lingard has been coming on it. Well he's come on into two games and and changed the game. He's pretty good against Westam. And of course Mason Green would start at the season brilliantly. He's got Marcus Rashford to come back. And they're no-one's disputing. They're a really good football inside. No-one's disputing. And of course they're a way record unbelievable in the Premier League. What is it a season and a bit since they got beat away from home? They are a really good side. I just feel like we've got to go there on Saturday and we've got to have just a little bit of a of course defensively Benitez going to Old Stafford will be interested. Defensively we've got to be spot on. Allen and the Coray going to have to wake the socks off. Townsend. We're going to play on the counter attack. Really what you go back to the Villa game and you think about how we played that game. It does send a few shivers up the spine when you think about the squad and you think about what they had what Villa did when they brought on a couple of subs and that's going to be, for me, going to be a huge factor. Ever that I've got to be a threat on the counter attack though. They've just got to be. If we get opportunities we've got to be making them think. I'm not going to score a goal every time you go full. But we've got to make them think we've got to make them think that we can score every time. We can do something. And that means keeping it under the ball well. That means also listen at the moment it would seem that Rondon will be starting the game and that's me sitting here on a Wednesday and saying that Rondon has got to be effective. He's got to hold the ball up because if he doesn't it's just going to keep coming back all the time. And the game plan will be a large amount of it will be about how much he can keep hold of the ball for us. And I know a lot of Everton fans haven't been overwhelmed with them so far but there are reasons for that. Playing a couple of games in five months. But this is a game where he really has to play his part. Well I think he's linked up with Grain Townsend for me. We know United's going to have a lot of the ball. So we're trying to stretch the pitch and get up the pitch quickly. I think Grey's going to be our out ball and like you said Rondon trying to keep up with the ball. But I think it's the first game on paper of the season that is an expected loss and going there with half a squad. We didn't like scoring at all against Villa. We had a couple of chances in the first half. So I think for us we've seen Villa have managed it. Just trying to keep a clean sheet if you can't win. I think a point will be a especially with a squad we've got. Even if we had that full team a point you wouldn't be at all. It keeps us ticking over. But you only get a point a lot of the time by your tactics to win the game. Oli versus Rafa I think whether Oli's got their tactical experience to try and break down a tight compact side that we know Rafa can come out. The problem is though he's got now and he's got all those players we've mentioned. Fernandez who can not play it. We haven't got. We've seen the goal by Fernandez last season the one he chipped over Alton. We haven't got. We just haven't got the players and when it comes to turning around he's got his bench. That's going to be interesting this week. I'll be interested to see actually in this game how much more how much more he will trust his bench and maybe look around and go I might give Anthony Gordon 20 minutes here because I feel like tactically because I thought last week on the home game I think a lot of people thought this is like his discipline. Even just a file you've got the yellow card for bringing someone down like you know miles away from our goal. Smart. Say that all the time just do that. Slow the game down. Slow the game down make them get everyone back get you through the last five minutes. Let's see if Anthony Gordon is starting to switch on. Because I think under Callow Antelotti, Callow Antelotti clearly you can see him in game shouting him.  Penny might have dropped now. There's a chance for you the squad.  I think times are making a difference if there's any games most of our goals come from inside the six yard box or inside the box. I think the difference now is if you can't unlock the defence and you're struggling to make many chances. Townsend and we've seen it already Townsend can pick the ball up from 30 odd yards out and he's getting in for you and that might be a difference. I think one place we've got to certainly improve is we've got to start improving on set pieces. We haven't scored from a set piece this season and obviously we were undone by one of Villa and Bay and Lee scored essentially from a set piece that come back in. And they weren't great. We've got to get back to having some kind of presence on set pieces. It's always going to be difficult. I quite like that we defended set pieces under Callow Antelotti. I like the two banks, the deep. And I know he's changed it this season to Zonal. Always, always like Zonal. It's difficult for some players to manage and that can be people switch off and a good ball in and this and we've seen that now teams are starting to use set piece coaches and stuff like that. I have no problem with that, to be honest. Set pieces are a huge part of the game. Working well for Villa isn't it? If you've got a fella who works on them all week and is changing them and that's his only job I think that's the way football is going and I think that's the way football should be. None of this snobbery that we saw from other people about set pieces and job and all this stuff about when you have throwing coaches and people laughing. It's nonsense. Anything you can gain on the training pitch, any advantage that you can gain on the training pitch even if you just make someone think what are these going to do? People now for Villa are going to be like what are these going to do? We saw that with Rafa analysed it as well. I don't know whether there's coaches did it but we saw the short corners at Burnley. There's a few at Burnley but maybe it's the invention. It's like you look at Villa's set pieces. Villa's was very well planned out. But they're always changing it and they're always doing something a little bit different something clever that might be something that I need to start thinking about in the future. It was like something from Coach Carter. But I'd like to start seeing them defend them properly and be a threat at the other end. Well they've got threats on the corners and Ronaldo can leap higher than anyone else. Let's just look at those numbers because obviously he's their main man. Games three goals, three assists now. I mean that's interesting that he hasn't had any assists but obviously listen he's there. He's become how he changes game over his career is incredible. He's a very intelligent footballer. Some people think he's the best player of all time. Those people are wrong but they are allowed their viewpoint because he is for a generation he has been absolutely incredible an incredible footballer. And still rapid at the age of 36. Do you know what though? People are always still surprised about this though how good he is in the air. I don't know why because he has always been like that. I remember when he scored the goal and I think it was in the FA Cup final against Millwall many years ago. He's just hung in the air. He's been brilliant, always been brilliant. So he's brought that into the game now. I think Seamus Coleman's the 11 nightmares about the goals he scored against him for Ireland. How do you think we nullify Ronaldo in the weekend? We can't nullify Ronaldo.  No because we haven't got it. I think you can't nullify him I think what you have to do is you have to nullify the the balls that come in and we haven't been great at that recently either. You've got to stop the source. You've got to get out of people and that's where Godfrew at right back. I don't really like Godfrew at right back. He wasn't great against Williams.  I think Mason Hogg is more of a right back. I think what you've got to do what he might do is just say to Ben Godfrew every time they get the ball wide you've just got to get out and stop it. But you can't necessarily stop Ronaldo. I think Michael Keane probably if the ball is in the air it's going to be better more importantly so it's going to be better dealing with the ball in the air but you've got to stop at its source but these have got so many good players that it's so hard that's why good teams are good teams because they have so many good players that you say can you nullify Ronaldo well if Pog was playing how do you nullify Pog but how do you nullify Fernandez Exactly Fernandez it's probably still their most important player so you've got to nullify him then you've got that's the problem with good teams you have a lot of good players I think Meena Meena for me is important because he might have aerial jewels he will win Meena is just important because he organises the backline He won more aerial jewels aerial jewels in the whole match week when we played Burnley didn't he because he organises the backline so he's an incredibly important player this is a very difficult game as you said before it's probably the first game of the season people will be will have an expected loss against us but doesn't mean we can't go there and do something it doesn't mean we can't go there and if we play in a certain way we've got a good tactical manager who understands the game and listen who knows maybe there's a couple of surprises who's to say Seamus Coleman won't be available or I don't know sit here right now we're playing off the fact that we're but it's the it's the last game before the international break so we do get a couple of weeks after this game get the lads back in so whatever happens happens I'm definitely not throwing this game away I'm definitely not suggesting that we are going to lose this game if we can get anything out of it massive bonus I think because obviously we went there last season and we did but everyone's going to have to work hard everyone's going to do the after the part probably a touch of luck as well if there's a better team on the day and he beat us there you go can't argue with that there you go big thanks thanks for Ned for stepping in this week coming from behind the camera to in front of the camera yeah let us know your thoughts in the comments don't forget to sign up if you haven't already why haven't you signed up to ultimate fans it's free if you want to play for free it's a boss little game honestly I love playing every week now I packed Raheem Sterling you didn't play I got so many points I was sitting there giddy last week watching the points tally up it was amazing do that for us there's a link in the description it costs nothing if you want to play for nothing there are two subscription ways of playing silver packs and gold packs as I said earlier so go and check that out sign up sign up for it helps the channel there's always nice incentives as well this month there's a 5 or 3 for Uber Eats so effectively sign up this month for a gold pack you're getting it back the link is in the description as well give this video a like and if you want more daily live shows exclusive live shows join us over on Patreon the link is in the description as well thanks for watching see you later


Beavers will dash hope of this honest politician, says former Vice President Attiku Abubakar, and women groups intensify lobby to visit 36 governors of political appointments. This is post-Politic, and I am very honored. The presidential candidate of the People's Democratic Party PDP in the recently concluded general elections, Attiku Abubakar, has said the introduction of the bimodal voter accreditation system will dash the hopes of dishonest politicians. He also added that he has come to stay as a legal instrument for the accreditation and transmission of election results in Nigeria. Attiku made this known in celebration of the Supreme Court's affirmation of the victory of Governor Adimola Delike of Oshun State. Joining us to discuss the role that the Beavers will play in the elections in the future is Katch Onanuju, he's a political analyst and also joining us is Moshud Issa, he's a communication and development expert. Issa, it's so good to have you join us. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you very much for listening. Great. Now, you have worked as, you've been in the field, you've seen many elections come and go, but none compared to the 2023 general elections being that the Beavers seem to have been the shiny new baby, you know, on the block and many expectations, you know, were heightened as a result of the promises that were made by INAG. And keying into what the former vice president has said, have these Beavers really lived up to expectations? Okay, thank you very much. If you recall, the Beavers was first introduced in the 2021 Annambar governorship election. And if you realize, since the Beavers has been introduced, we hardly receive those fictitious figures we usually get during elections. It means only the real voters are allowed to vote. And from the name Beavers by model voter accreditation system, it does double form of accreditation. It accredits, it scans your PVC to confirm that PVC belongs to INAG, it then authenticates your finger print and then authenticates your facial. It means, and the fact that it has been backed by law only means only the Beavers would be used for accreditation. If you cannot go through the Beavers, it means that the PVC does not belong to you or you're not registered voters in that, in that location. So I agree with the fact that the Beavers has come to stay and so far it has been a game changer. But again, there is still a lot more to be done. In terms of first, citizens have to know how these Beavers work so that they must insist that it should work the way it's supposed to work. And of course, knowing that technology is not necessarily a silver bullet, it's being used by humans. So of course, the humans that would use that Beavers have to be properly trained and citizens that are at the polling unit, for instance, have to ensure that the Beavers is used the way it's supposed to be used. But looking at the 2023 elections, if you know previous elections, there are some certain states where huge figures usually come out from. But if you look at the 2023 elections, you notice that the figures are actually reduced. It means the Beavers is ensuring that only real voters are allowed to pass through the accreditation process on election day. And with the fact that the law also says that the law has redefined overvoting. The overvoting according to the law now says that the total number of voters should not be more than the total number of accredited voters. Initially, the total number of voters should not be the total number of registered voters, meaning if you finish counting the total number of votes cast, you have to go back to the Beavers and look at the total number of accredited voters, and it has to tally. And this is where citizens have to actually touch line or look up to ensure that the figures actually tally. So, I actually think the Beavers has come to stay. It will reduce overvoting, it will reduce voting by proxy, it will also reduce manipulation in the electoral process. But again, there is still a long way to go as regarding optimizing the Beavers, ensuring that officials are managing the Beavers, actually know what they are doing, and actually educate the people to actually know how these Beavers work to ensure that these Beavers is not being manipulated or misused on election day. So, to a larger extent, I think I agree with the PDP candidate, Alajati Kuoabubaka, but again, we have to optimize it and ensure that those managing the Beavers actually know what they are doing, and they actually are not in the hands of politicians to manipulate the process. Let me push you, Father. You talked about the fact that the Beavers would show real voters. Might I take you back to what happened during the general elections, whether it be the governorship or the presidential? We saw children. Might I also remind you, the Commissioner of Police in your state did say that these children were allowed to vote because they had PVCs, but how could the Beavers not be able to decipher that these children were not of voting age? So really, is the Beavers as infallible as we think it is? So like I said, the Beavers and the technology generally is not a savor bullet, but remember that the issue of underage voting doesn't happen on election day, it starts from the registration period, continuous voter registration. So if we do not flag underage registration at that point in time, and we allow that to go through, those people, those underage voters are automatically certified as authentic voters, and you cannot deny them the right to vote. The time to flag underage registration is during registration, and most times what happened at that point in time is that there is usually what you call community collusion or connivance.  You as an INOC official coming from wherever you're coming from, you might be intimidated or to stop that person from getting registered at that point in time. The best thing to do is actually to request for that person's best certificate. Unfortunately, in most cases, this is not done. So my point is underage registration, underage voting should be tracked during the continuous voter registration. It is not the responsibility of the beavers at that point in time to say if you are underage, the beavers only confirm that that PVC belongs to you, and it scans your fingerprints and it authenticates your facial. If you pass through that process at that point in time, sadly, you have to vote because at the point of registration, you were not flagged as an underage voter. All right, let's talk about, let's go back to the Jennifer administration where the issue of CAD readers were introduced. A lot of people have said that biometric authentication will heal the country, but then we keep introducing all kinds of technology and we still see that major challenge of corruption during the elections where the numbers don't tally. We had that issue also for the governorship elections and the presidential elections where the numbers that you get at the polling unit are not the savers, the ones that are uploaded to the IRAV. Again, this biometrics that we all rest our hopes and the future on, can we really say that it will work? Because we're looking at the future, 2023 elections have passed, we're preparing for other elections that are coming. We know that the Kulgi elections is also coming, there's the Bioshock election and several other elections that will come. Can we trust that this will see more and more out of the electoral process, the corruption that has bedeviled it over the years? Yeah, importantly, it's important, like I said, that technology is not achievable but we must admit that the diverse is a massive improvement on the smart card reader that is being optimized, that's one. But again, the issue around figures not tallying, a lot of issues were raised during elections. There were some people that actually confirmed that they were registered voters but at some point their name was not on the beavers and that was what issues that the civil society organization raised actually during the mock accreditation of the beavers where we noticed that there are some people that have been registered since 2011 but for some reason their name had not been configured into the beavers. Again issues were raised but like I said, it was improvement on the smart card reader and you know, we have to differentiate between the beavers and the INEQ result being important. Where people confirmed that the figures that were counted at the polling unit are different from what was eventually uploaded. In most cases, those results were not even uploaded in the presence of the voters. So that was what happened that figures that saw in the polling unit was totally different from what they eventually saw on the IRS. If you remember INEQ came out to say there were glitches with their technologies, they could not upload results on the IRS. In some cases it took over two weeks, results were still being uploaded on the IRS and ideally the best thing to do is that as soon as it counts election results in the presence of everyone, you feel all the form from ECHA in the presence of everyone, you snap that result and upload to the IRS. In most cases those results were not uploaded. So anything could have happened after the election, after the polling unit process and that was what people actually flagged. You can see a lot of cancellation in some results, you can see some results were on the IRS, you can see a so-called two-state result in Lagos because this is not properly done. And if you remember when I started, I said the success of diverse is subject to the humans that are managing it, either they were not well trained or they intentionally sabotage the process. So technology itself is not a silver bullet, the humans managing it will go a long way in determining its success. Alright, we're being joined by Kat on the NJU, Kat, thank you very much for joining us. Now let's talk about the metamorphosis, just as I was trying to pick up here with Mushu, the metamorphosis of technology in our Nigerian elections. Now we know how difficult it's been to push for e-voting, which is another step or another hurdle for us to cross in terms of pushing for this on the floor of the National Assembly. But let's see how it's grown from a CAD reader to the bimodal registration and what would be the next step right after this? Kat, can you hear me? Yes, yes, yes, I can hear you. Go ahead. So the introduction of biometric authentication is a great leap. It was started during the good luck era, it started as CAD reader that was fingerprint biometric authentication. It has now been upgraded into a bimodal, that means it takes your fingerprints, it also takes your facial recognition. I pray in future it will progressively come to include the iris and plus the body mass, which is exactly what we currently have in our digital passport protocols. It is a very good thing, it had no problem at all, it worked very, very well. The lack of its proper use in the final tabulation is as a consequence of fraudulent manipulations. As you have seen, we have been able to get access to the hostess of the servers who are in this case Amazon Web Services. They do provide the same web services for the U.S. Department of Defense. You will understand, the Pentagon will note, buy services from a company that does not have that capability to actually defeat all those things that they were saying. They hacked into the servers, as Amazon said before, during and after the elections. It worked very, very well.  Yes, yes, yes. INEC lied 100 percent to INEC lied, and INEC did that, they were caught on awareness, the things were working very well until they were instructed to block the... Why would INEC try to disrupt its own duties, knowing that they had, of course, raised the hopes of every Nigerian. They had a job to do. They made promises. INEC...  Yes, INEC put, they were pressurized by politicians to undermine the process, because if you check, on the same day, the results for the national assembly election were politely, progressively uploaded. No problem. Nothing happened to the INEC server. We have gotten that confirmation from those who hosted the server, Amazon West Services. Nothing happened before, nothing happened during, nothing happened afterwards. If anything happened with the server, we will have known. It was simply a political decision taken by those who saw that the exit polls did not favor what they wanted to have. That was why they were instructed to block the further functioning of the progressive uploading of the presidential election results. That for the national assembly, we are properly uploaded, there were no problem, and there is still no problem with all those issues. That's why INEC is having problems. It's not going to be able to get Amazon to admit what Mualda Mohamed said in America. That was a big lie. Nobody hacked into the servers. Nobody was able to hack into anybody's servers. It's very good. And that's why we have today, we have subpoenaed the Amazon Web Services, and they are coming to Nigeria to testify that nobody hacked into their server before, during, and after the elections. Whatever happened here were human mistakes that were done deliberately, simply to undermine the process. And one thing I can tell you, in 1993, the result of a presidential election was announced. And in each place, we had a batch of manufactured. What we had that time was instability because of the annulment of that election. I can assure you that due to the annulment of the election of the original results of a presidential election, the country is going to run into instability. Take that to the bank. You cannot resist it. The last time we had this was in 1993. We ran into instability, and we knew how about your government, any time you steal a car. Hold on, Kat. Just hold on. I should give that very good to people. Kat, Kat, Kat. We cannot, we cannot pre-empt the election tribunal, which has already, which has already kickstarted. We can't pre-empt what the outcome will be.  But before we go into another one, let's go back to what former Vice President Artico Abubakar said about these beavers. He has said, and I quote, the law governing our elections has truly brought power to the people and those power-mongering politicians who believe that they have or they can freely subvert inherent power of democracy now have their hopes dashed. Does it mean that former Vice President Artico Abubakar and everybody who lost in this election, according to the announcement of INEC, fall in the category of the people who have their hopes dashed because of the beavers? What he means is very simple, that we have not come into the period where votes will become votes, because this is the first time we are having to vote after being authenticated. The introduction of the biometric authentication is a game-changer. That's why you did not see, as is previously the case, the uploading of phantom numbers previously being the norm. It's no more going to be that way. I believe that the signing into law of the Electoral Act Amendment changed everything because why it forced the authentication of whoever the voter will be before you can allow him to vote. That has become law. Apart from that, you cannot pile up numbers just because you want to have new numbers to know. If those numbers are piled in and they do not rhyme with the numbers of authenticated voters who were previously authenticated to vote, it will not work. So if you have any number that comes in that is more than the accredited number of voters, that's what he's saying. It will not work. And for you to be accredited, you will have to go to authentication through the Beaver's machine. What the Beaver's machine is is a progression of the original card reader. The card reader was just some print biometric capture. The Beaver's means bi-modial, some print plus facial recognition. So it's a progressive way of that original introduction, which we call the card reader, which only captured the thumbprint. Now the new biometric system captured the thumbprint and facial recognition. That's why if those things are not implemented, you will not be able to just pile in numbers because those captures go into the accreditation. And you're not going to have more numbers suddenly returned more than the accredited voters. That's why he's saying that the days of simply wishing on numbers will not end in more hold. That's why we're seeing what we're seeing right now. So let's just go to the tribal now, let everybody prove this case. And AstraZeneca saying that the days of simply writing numbers are gone. Nigeria is on to a very brand new pedestal in regards of honest elections. Okay. Katya, I'm going to come back to you to talk about lawmakers and how we can improve the electoral process. Let me come back to you, Masud. For those who have, because I'm on the radio and I'm listening to people and feeling the pulse of the people after the elections. And I got to hear something that's very remarkable. Might not be the best thing, but there's something that's called post-election traumatic syndrome. I don't know how they coined it. And that's because a lot of people feel let down by the election. So I'm going to ask you a direct question. Did technology fail us during this election, or did INEC itself fail technology? I don't want to point at using fingers, but I think technology did not fail us. And I think the introduction of technology, if implemented properly, it will have achieved optimum results. Okay. Technology did not fail Nigeria. I think the humors managing technology to a large extent actually failed the technology. And to some extent actually failed Nigeria, or those that actually failed are great. But again, the deployment of technology has been an improvement on the previous process. Even the figures that came out from the election, you can see they are substantially as compared to previous numbers that we usually have. So I think technology did not fail Nigeria. A large extent technology actually exposed the usual practices that we usually see before. I think the technology to a large extent exposed it. I think the commission actually made a lot of promises, especially around the fact that the results from the polling unit to be uploaded the real time. Unfortunately, that did not happen. In that case, you would not blame technology. You blame those that need to or that could not harness the power of that technology to actually promote transparency. The ideal thing is that you upload results from the polling unit. Before you get to the world level, the world coalition office must have seen the results you uploaded. And if you announce anything contrary to that, you're going back. Unfortunately, that due diligence did not happen. But technology was there to be harnessed. So it did not fail us. That should make use of that technology to promote electoral transparency. Probably did not fail enough. How do we appeal to the senses of those who feel like their time, their energy, the hyped up mentality that they had before and during that election seem to be dashed? What do we tell those people? How do we somewhat galvanize them again for another election cycle? Because for most people, more like every other election cycle, it's always the watershed moment. Everybody says, well, this is the one that's supposed to make or break us. But it seemed like there was more attention, more energy. People were more interested in this election as opposed to any other election that we've had. What do we tell those people who have said, Luke, I'm not touching that PVC anymore. I'm not going to the polls. It's not worth it. How do you appeal to these sensibilities? No, you tell them that the fact that they couldn't even point out that something went wrong. It's a progress from what happened in previous times where you just see figures and you cannot pass on. But now you can actually point out it's transparent for you enough for you to point out where the gap is. So it's an improvement in your knowledge from previous elections. And it means if you want to raise any case or any issue, you know where to point out good. So that enough is a kind of solid or those that there are hope with that. I totally understand the fact that there were a lot of expectations, a lot of promises on this election. And to some extent, some people, some set of people feel that promises were not fulfilled. But the fact that we now know the responsibility of Giva and we know the responsibility of IRF. And we can go on IRF and compare results. I think it's a huge step as compared to previous elections. And subsequently, we can know where to raise the gap. If an electoral officer refused to upload results right from polling, maybe you as a voter can put your hands together and we need to allow him to go until he does the right thing. So the fact that you know the right place to raise the gap as a citizen, meaning if you're going into another election, you know where to raise the gap. You know what to ensure that electoral officials do. So I think that alone should give us hope going into subsequent elections. All right. Back to you, Kat. Let's talk about the legislation behind pushing our electoral processes further, not higher, if I might say, especially when we have been pushing the idea of e-voting and the aspiror voting, which might be the next step. And I'm not just talking about the accreditation and the scans and all of that. Of course, there will be an inch better or higher when it comes to, you know, accreditation and voting. But the voting process in itself is where the attention is being moved now. Looking at the members who are going to be constituting the new national assembly, both the upper chamber and the lower chamber, and the guys who are going to be sitting at the helm of affairs, if what the former vice president has said is anything to go by, will these same people be willing to push the electoral process further, knowing that this might one way or the other cut off the wings of the so-called corrupt politicians and the, you know, shortcuts that they take to winning? One thing I can tell you is looking at a holistic picture, you need to understand that our country is changing, Nigeria is changing. We now have, suddenly, available on the scene, the best educated generation of Nigerian youth. They want to get involved and you can see what they have done. They are members of the new youth-driven movement and I believe they're not going to give away. It's a very young country and they are up to 75 percent, if not up to 80 of our country's population. They want a Nigeria that works for them. Now, you've seen them do this and you've seen the old brigade try to acknowledge and write all that is and tell them go to court.   You have to hit and hit and hit and hit again before the python goes down. So we are, as I can tell you, in addition to what the former vice president said, we are onto a totally brand new era. Nigeria must now confront its own old demons, defeat those demons for Nigeria to be to move forward. I believe that the new generation that are now pushing on our fronts are going to be able to exact the maximum pressure to force changes in our country. I have no doubt Nigeria is changing. I am very, very encouraged with the things that I've seen, with the way young people have come out and suddenly are now interested. Me and you know, they started about two years ago. They were violently suppressed and then they are still here, engaged with all of us politically. I don't see the youth in any way slowing down. I see the youth scaling up what they are doing. And I believe with short pushes, Nigeria is heading for change. All right. Thank you so much, Kat. Katon Nuju is a political analyst. And we also want to say thank you to Moshudi Sahouz, a communications and development expert. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for speaking with us. That's our time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Well, we'll take a break. Coming up next, women are canvassing across 36 states of the federation and they're asking for appointments. What does the TNB administration have in store for women to stay with us?


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Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me thank members, I know the members of Euphort North will speak on the other resolution and he'll, I'm sorry if I, if you saw my light first, the members of Euphort North will speak on the other resolution. Mr.  And the members of Euphort South always used to tell us that in my youthful exuberance sometimes when I thought we should go after everything and tea, meat, tea and things like that. And he always used to say, let these things go because you have to concentrate on running the country Mr. Speaker. So Mr. Speaker, I have not come back and read letters and show emails and show documents that the members of Euphort North got involved in. But Mr. Speaker, today I'm going to do something to show you how the members of Euphort South deliberately and intentionally seeks to mislead the people of Euphort South. In his failure to understand that he has been rejected and he calls the seat of Sir John Compton to be lost because of his ineptitude. And because of his ineptitude and because of the calibre of candidates we run against Kigain Uniasa. He must cover his shame by coming in this Honourable House and just talk loud and go in public and say, I'm a St. Lucian, look at me, I'm born in St. Lucia. I'm a St. Lucian, when your passport say you born in Matnik and cover up all the things he has done to the people of St. Lucia and cover up the fact that he left St. Lucia after Covid with the sixth highest rate of depression in the world than any other Oasis country Because of his mismanagement of the economy, he comes and he reads things that he knows are not true. He knows that. He had an extract from a social economic review talking about the CSO and the central city's official speaker, something we have debated in this House. Mr. Speaker, the matter of view for itself, when we got documents from civil servants, always said to us that these are the facts as seen by the civil servants, do not interfere with them. We never, I have never asked to see a copy of the social economic review before it goes into public. That's not my style. I don't do that. I don't call civil servants and tell them, Mr. Speaker, he opened the door about CIP and what he's going to say. Mr. Speaker, I am going to tell you what they did, you see, I pay money, kept myself concentrated, keeping focus, Mr. Speaker. But today I am going to deal with the issue he spoke about training students for work in the hospitality industry, Mr. Speaker. And I am going to show you how this hypocrisy and these lies put him where he is today. And he comes here and he says, and when you answer him, some civil servants inside say, concentrate on the thing, leave the man alone, leave the man alone. Every day on United Park, they lie. Every on some radio stations, they lie. Every day on some WhatsApp groups, they lie.  When you answer, they tell you, concentrate on what you are doing and leave the man alone, Mr. Speaker. But today, Mr. Speaker, I am going to read for you part of the mess, the member for Microsoft left this country when he talks about training students in hospitality, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I not like to do it, but I will do it. I will do it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, listen to what the member for Microsoft when he was in government, part of the things he left for Seleucia. Seleucia, his legacy, he talk about training, Mr. Speaker. There was an agreement, whatever the discussion, and I think it's something that we may have started. I'm not sure. I'm not going to go down that way. But I know we are speaking tomorrow college also. But I'm not going to go down that way. I'm not going to categorically say it was happening Saturday. The member for Microsoft will be able to tell me. I'm not sure. But what I can tell you that, Mr. Speaker, is that the Minister of Finance, Mr. Speaker, after making an agreement with Monroe College in 2018, the member for Microsoft, the member for Microsoft when he was Minister of Finance, he was Minister of Finance from 2016 to 2021, meant for providing this program to 128 students who began in autumn 2019. The bank has not released the $384,000 due to Monroe, which reflects the government's guarantee toward program costs. Until that payment is received, we are unable to confirm the completion certificate for this cohort, which delays their ability to gain employment in the hospitality sector. They trained so hard to join. I said again for you, Mr. Speaker, this is the member for Microsoft, you know, coming in solely, Mr. Speaker. This program to the students who began in autumn 2019, the bank has not released $384,000, $384,000 due to Monroe, which reflects the government's guarantee towards program costs. Until that payment is received, we are unable to confirm the completion certificate for this cohort, which delays their ability to gain employment in the hospitality sector. They trained so hard to join. Go and follow me, Mr. Speaker. In January 2024-2023, when this member for Microsoft, here is how I had to deliver that. I write as directed by the prime minister to acknowledge your missive dated October 27, 2022, regarding discussions for payment by the government of St. Lucia of the outstanding balance due to Monroe College for hospitality training for more than 100 young St. Lucia. I wish to confirm the prime minister's commitment that the government of St. Lucia will honour its obligation to settle the amount of $429,000 in that regard in keeping with the understanding of making payments under great period of time with an initial payment of $100,000 will be paid during the fourth quarter of the 2020-2020 financial year ending March 2023. Mr. Speaker, that is history. So the 100 students you are speaking about compared to what you said under the label? Isn't that right, Mr. Speaker? And the members have made a point about call centre. Let's talk about working in the cruise industry, Mr. Speaker. We guarantee the member for Microsoft, you say your memory bird and mine. That's right. You may try to correct me or you may try to clarify. We were the ones who went into agreement with the cruise industry and some private service providers, Mampa and others to put cruise, to put solutions to employment in the cruise industry. And we guarantee the whole SLDB of $3,000 per applicant of $3,000 per applicant so they could get the necessary requirements to go on the cruise to go to the cruise ship. And we used to joke with him in cabinet and say when time come to vote, all of you will be on cruise ship. We used to have that joke, Mr. Speaker. And when he came, he stopped it. And he went into that agreement and he ended up not paying the people for that agreement. That is his record. That's his record, Mr. Speaker. He stopped it and he ended up not paying the people, Mr. Speaker. So that's his record. That's his record, Mr. Speaker. And as I promised the last time I was there, from now on Mr. Speaker, from now on, we are going because, you know, he always comes and he threatens us.  I'm sure he's very happy, very happy, Mr. Speaker. Because he wants, because he believes that because of his propaganda machine, he can get away like no one's listening to him. But from now on, we, while he's remaining focused, Mr. Speaker, we have to debunk these lies and these misconceptions. Second, Mr. Speaker. Second, Mr. Speaker. The member for V4 South talks about old buildings, 80 old business speakers. Mr. Speaker, I want you to ask the member for, where are you from? Mikusol. It's like 40 years from Canada. I want to ask him, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask Mr. Speaker. Where in the box was there any place for the kitchen? Where in the box was there any place for the laundry? Where in the box was there any place for the offices? Where in the box was the mug? Where in the box was the warehouses? Where in the box was the space for these things, Mr. Speaker? Mr. Speaker, they intended to use the same buildings to add to the box, Mr. Speaker. The hospital could not function without using the buildings in face wall, Mr. Speaker. Exactly. And to make it worse, Mr. Speaker, they destroyed two buildings costing between $7 and $9 million for no reason at all, Mr. Speaker. But I'm happy to tell you much to the chagrin. Because what they want, they want bad for Sir Lucia. They want Sir Lucia to suffer because Sir Lucia voted against them. They want us to suffer. So they, hopefully, and they pray in every day, Lord give us more crime. They pray in every day, Lord, Lord, make the roads get worse. They pray in every day, Lord, may the hospital not happen. They pray in every day for damnation to fall upon Sir Lucia because of their sins, Mr. Speaker. But I want to tell you something. Mr. Speaker, the dialysis ward and the physiotherapy ward are going to be completed this year. They are going to be completed this year, Mr. Speaker. This year, they're going to be completed. And, Mr. Speaker, work on the other buildings will continue later this year, Mr. Speaker. That's what they don't want to see, Mr. Speaker. They pray for doom and gloom to befall the people of Sir Lucia. This, the member from Mikusau says we have no plan for education. This is a government education. We were the ones who got university primary school education and many people in this room would never know what it meant to go on a shift system. When we talk about youth entrepreneurship, many young people will never know what it meant to go to school from 80 to 12. And part of the reason why we may have problems in this country is because of these children who only spent a few hours in school, Mr. Speaker, and they spent the rest of their time on supervise. This got the little parties that want to change that with the construction of a dimple at Lucia school.  You might know that. Going to school half-day. You want to school half-day, Mr. Speaker? You probably too old for that. But, Mr. Speaker, I'm sure there are many people in this room who know nothing about going to school half-day. Nothing, Mr. Speaker. We were the ones, Mr. Speaker, when there was something called common entrance, when Mr. Speaker, you know when I went to college, only about a hundred of us could have gone. Further, after my time, Mr. Speaker, there was a time and the men for Cassius North can testify to that.  That's why they had to build the same days academy and the other school further. Because of the pressure, there was no space, Mr. Speaker. He knows that, but he doesn't know that. Further, Mr. Speaker, do you know there was something called common entrance, Mr. Speaker? When little children, between the ages 11 and 12, the children used to be under stress, nervousness. The parents used to beat them and tell them because they did not get, they failed to go to secondary school. No stress on this children, Mr. Speaker. Then they move it to have a secondary college, junior secondary school to take on that cohort. There was the Rockall senior school, Mr. Speaker. And something beautiful is going to happen up there soon. That will make them more vex. There was the Rockall senior secondary school, that's what they call it, senior primary school. When we, the Labour Party going to government, we started something called, we built five new schools and started universal secondary education where every child got some place in a secondary school. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't perfect, but every child at least had a place in school, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I guess that, there is no plan for education because probably young people who do not know that, don't make them in the dog misery. More talk. We are the ones, Mr. Speaker, we are the ones now and we're beginning this programme of one university, of one university graduate for household. We are the ones doing it. Tell me this, Mr. Speaker. When you had this member comes there and with his bluster and his sounding good, speaking at level of, on choice of the speaker, we have to the bucket, Mr. Speaker. We have to the bucket, Mr. Speaker. Talking about hotel workers, Mr. Speaker. I've heard the member for Kastru Salve speaking, let's see, on rememoration for hotel workers. We were the ones, Mr. Speaker, when he going to government, we will move taxes and service charge paid to hotel workers. We were the ones who did it. We were the ones who did it, Mr. Speaker. So, our record, Mr. Speaker, is clear. Our record on workers and education has not been perfect. Nothing is perfect, but our record is clear, Mr. Speaker. And finally, on this statistic thing, he comes back again every year, Mr. Speaker. It is clear. It is clear what happened where that is concerning me, Mr. Speaker. That was not written by us. We don't get involved in that writing. It is the same way they want me to get involved in police operation. I never get involved in police operation. No matter what they say, and no matter how they try to attack me, to criticize me, because they believe that being a policeman is not a profession that you must be proud of. That's what they believe. So, when they say, I say my father was a policeman, I say what I do, then I grate me, Mr. Speaker, what they are doing is they are then I grating all policemen in the system. That's what they doing. That's what they are doing.  And I'm proud to say that I went to school on policeman salary. I'm proud to say that. And I'll say it again. And the more they attack me, the more I'll say it, Mr. Speaker. I'm a teacher. So, Mr. Speaker, let's get back to the thing about, and I want to read Mr. Speaker the explanation that we have about the statistics, Mr. Speaker. How do you read it for you? During COVID-19, the central secretary's office made a decision to continue the conduct of the quarterly labor force survey. Notwithstanding the fact on the advice of the chief medical officer, all face-to-face interview should have been discontinued until further notification. Consequently, adaptations had to be made to the data collection methodology and I searched the results of the labor force survey during that period will stand alone and not comparable to the labor force survey results prior to COVID-19. However, from 2023 we resumed the application of the normal labor force data collection methodology. Hence, the 2023 labor force survey results can be compared with the results prior to COVID-19. That's the explanation, Mr. Speaker. Not for me because even though I did a little bit of statistics in school a long time ago I got plenty to be a many statistician. I know a plumber statistician. That's what he want me to do. Play him everything. That's what he did. He was an engineer. He said he had a mixed degree. Then he was all kind of things with Mr. Speaker. All kind of things. He's an economist. He's a financier. He's a hotelier. He's a guru in everything. You know about everything, Mr. Speaker. I don't know about everything. I don't know about everything, Mr. Speaker. What I know is I can listen to advice and I can listen to people who know more than me. Many people know more than me and look to do the best for the people of solution. Finally, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this resolution will help in the school shortages in the OECS, Mr. Speaker. That from the World Bank shows, Mr. Speaker, that 40% of all employers in St. Lucia indicated that skills and education of workers was a hinge once to the country's competitiveness. 61% of youth in the OECS faced challenges getting or earning a living with many reporting that academic qualifications did not fit the labour market. That's what the figures say, Mr. Speaker. And that is what this resolution and this borrowing seeks to cure. I thank you, Mr. Speaker.


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