Welcome to stage C everybody, EMF camp, whoo! Yeah, that surprised you. Right, we have a great talk coming up now. We have Leon and Connor talking about making music from gravity waves and the chromatouch dome, except that there seems to be some technical difficulties happening. Okay, so I'm now going to have to waffle for a bit. Yeah, I think that's good. I'm going to start by introducing us. So I'm Leon Trimble, a digital artist from Birmingham, currently based at the pervasive media studio in Bristol and the Steamhouse in Digbuff in Birmingham. And I've run the dome, which is just about 100 meters that way. So we've been doing some modular synthesizer visuals and music jams all day. And into the wee hours every night to come and see us tonight. I think we're on until midnight. So I have been hacking lots of devices and gaming technology and stuff for years to make visuals and music. And it's kind of a convoluted story. But we're here to talk about the gravity synth day, which is a laser interferometer. Which is an instrument for detecting vibrations. And on a massive scale, they detect gravitational waves. And Connor's going to give you a slideshow presentation of how the University of Birmingham and the LIGO team at MIT have been detecting gravitational waves over the past few years.  So the performances in the dome have been put on by a group of different friends. We got asked by EMF to bring the dome after being recommended by the live code musicians who were here last year, the ALGO rave guys. Ironically, they've got their own festival happening this weekend in Leeds, so none of them could come and perform. So that was a real shame. I'll let Connor take over. Yeah, hi everyone. So just like Leon said, I'm Connor Gettins. I'm a PhD student at the University of Birmingham working on gravity. And I'm going to introduce the science behind the gravity synth. So I'll just give you an introduction to it. It kind of started as a collaboration between our research group in Birmingham and with Leon. And the idea was to use science to produce a synthesizer, and most specifically using an interferometer to generate sound. And let's see if hopefully this will work. I can't hear that. No sound, but so that sounds like I'm playing about with it in a test minute. But ultimately all this says is we're using interferometer to generate waves, which can then be manipulated just like any synthesizer. This was the early days in the lab underneath the physics building at the University of Birmingham. And this was an early model of the synth. We've got a bigger and better model on show in the dome. Yeah, so sorry. No sound to the videos. But yeah, like Leon said, that's when we're playing about with it in the lab. So moving on to the science, why is gravity important? Well, up until three years ago, everything we saw in the universe, everything we observed was from light, things that admit and scatter light. So electromagnetic radiation. But the matter which manipulates light only makes up about five, six percent of the whole universe. So we're actually blind to the majority of things out there, specifically dark energy and dark matter. We can't see a thing with that. So while we get lovely images like this from telescopes from electromagnetic radiation, this is a century say, we're actually missing a lot of stuff out there. So how do we get, how can we look at the things that doesn't give out light, that doesn't reflect and diffract light? Well, rather than looking at the universe, we can try and listen to the universe. And this is where gravity comes in. So just a bit of background in gravity. So our idea of gravity was first formally put down by Galileo. He did a lot of experiments, dropping things from towers, rolling things down inclines. And he found that under the influence of gravity, everything falls, should fall at the same acceleration, the acceleration due to local gravity. So if you drop a feather and a hammer and a vacuum, they should fall the exact same rate. So you can't hear it, but this was on the Apollo 15 mission where they actually tested this experiment on the moon. They dropped a feather and a hammer. And you'll see in a second that they do indeed fall at the same rate. Now, of course, we have done these experiments on there, far more precisely than just someone dropping them by hand. And it is indeed true, Galileo was right, things do just fall at the same rate under gravity. The reason we don't see this, if you drop a feather and a hammer right now, of course the feather would drop much more slowly. That's because aerodynamic drag and air resistance. If you take that away, they do fall at the same rate. And there you go. And then after Galileo Newton came about and he formulated gravity into, you know, actual equations that we can use to manipulate. And these equations can predict the motions of the stars and the majority of the planets, but it does break, these equations do break down. They can't predict, they can't predict precisely the orbit of Mercury. And action at a distance as well assumes that the influence of gravity is everywhere. The information travels faster than speed of light, which is of course impossible. So in the presence of strong gravitational fields, Newton's theory breaks down. So then we get on to general relativity. So after Newton, we get Einstein. In 1915, 1916, he publicized his theory of general relativity. And while I'm thinking of it being like distinct formal force in action at a distance, he said, okay, well, you know, matter curves space-time. And since curvature space-time, that's what gives you gravity. So this little floating diagram here, you can imagine it's been a uniform cuboid. If you put a star at the center, space-time curves in towards it. And that's what gravity is. It's the curvature space-time. And we get a lot of interesting things predicted from general relativity. It predicts the existence of black holes and gravitational waves. And other things as well like time dilation. It also allows us to accurately predict the difference between reference frames. So without general relativity, you wouldn't have a system of satellites around there. Global communications would not be possible without theory of general relativity. So the thing that we're interested in is gravitational waves. And these are, if gravity is the influence of the curvature space-time, gravitational waves are ripples in the space-time. And they're caused by any mass that accelerates, any asymmetric mass which accelerates. But of course, everyday objects, including ourselves, the gravitational waves we produce are unimaginably small, even by scientific standards. We have to look at the waves emitted from the largest objects in the universe, interacting in some of the most violent processes you can imagine. So in general, gravitational waves are quite hard to measure. And to give you an idea of how a gravitational wave influences space-time, it's unlike sound waves, which are long and sugar-drill. Gravitational waves are transverse. So if you can imagine this little map here, I'll explain what the shape is in a minute. But if you can imagine, a gravitational wave passing either into or directly out of the screen affects space-time like this, so it stretches and squeezes space-time. Now of course, it's not as drastic effect as this, unfortunately, it'd be much easier to measure if it was. So that's what a gravitational wave does. It stretches and squeezes space-time in orthogonal directions to the way it travels. And this L-shape here, you've seen the map. This is one of the interfermers at LIGO. So I'll explain about that in a second. But yeah, so this L-shape is a mechosome interfermer. And how it works is it uses a laser light of a single frequency and the laser lights show on a mirror, a beam splitter, which specifically 50-50 and directs it towards two mirrors. And as it does, you see this wave pattern splitting off. It goes to the mirrors and comes back. And when it comes back to the mirror, it's directed towards a photodiod. Now these waves, we can interfere with each other, either constructively or deconstructively, depending if they're in phase or not. And what determines the phase is the relative length of these two arms. If they're the exact same length, you'll get constructive interference. If it's slightly off, you'll get deconstructive interference. And as the gravitational wave passes through, it stretches and squeezes space-time. And we get the relative change in length of these arms. So that's how you get these bright and dark patterns. As the gravitational wave passes through, you'll see a pattern of light and dark. So if the output of this photodiod would look like a sinusoid. And from a scientific point of view, why do you want to do this?  And these are some artistic interpretations. But we've made a few detections now over the past few years. Most recent one was quite interesting. It was the first detection of neutron stars colliding. And we had the first direct proof that heavy elements like gold are made in these interactions before that was only just theory. But now we know all the heavy elements on earth, gold, anything like that, they're all made by colliding neutron stars. And so just before I go on to back to the sound of gravitational waves in the gravity sense, I'll just show you a little cool clip. So this is a simulation of the very first detection, which was two black holes inspiring and eventually the collided. And this inspired it would have been going on for millions of years, but the gravitational waves were only strong enough that it wouldn't really caught the last minute or so at the end of this process. So I'll just play this little simulation. So here we see two black holes inspiring around one another. The sort of color pattern is the gravitational waves rippling off. And along the bottom, this would be the signal at the output of the interferometer. Now bear in mind, these black holes were over 10 times the mass of the sun. And at this point, they would be moving more than half the speed of light. So this was an incredibly violent process. You wouldn't want to be anywhere near here right now. So then they collide and then you see the ring down at the end. So you see these ripples spreading out. That's distortions in space time, the gravitational waves from this event. And this was interesting. It was the first direct detection of black holes. It was also the first, like I said, the first gravitational wave. So we kind of ticked off a lot of boxes there about things we did for the first time. So I'll just move on finally to the sound of gravitational waves. Like I said, they're just like sound waves. And as such, we can manipulate them to produce such that we can actually hear them. Now the interesting thing at LIGO is that the frequency of these gravitational waves, they're actually in the audible region. You could hear these in the right situations. Of course, their amplitude is so small. I mean, you would never actually hear it with your own ears. But all we need to do is turn up the volume. And you hear it. Now, unfortunately, I don't have any sound for this video. But towards the end, as they collide, you hear a little chirp sound. Unfortunately, I can't play it. Anyway, it'd be a long sort of drone. And then all of a sudden, towards the end, right here, it'd be a very loud chirp as the I can play that afterwards. I can do a YouTube of that. Yeah, we've got more videos after. Anyway, like I said, gravitational waves are just like sound waves. They're transverse rather than longitudinal. So when I say sound waves are longitudinal, as they travel along, they adiabatically compress and stretch the air in the direction they travel. But gravitational waves are just the same. They have a frequency, which gives us a pitch. And from the output of an interferometer, they have a definite shape, which gives us a tone that shall feel the sound. And all we need to do is take the output from a photo diode from this meccal sound interferometer, and then hook up to a synthesizer. And there you go. So I'll leave it there. And just before I bring back Leon back in, he'll actually show you some cool videos about how this actually sounds. But I'll just finish by saying, feel free to check out our group website. We've got all information, gravitational waves, and the stuff I've done with Leon. And a lot of cool outreach stuff, including apps and games as well. So yeah, thanks. All right. So I attended, I was at Birmingham Open Media studio for a while. And I had, there was a kind of impact for science engagement kind of meeting that happened. And I sat next to one of the other researchers from the Gravitational Wave Department called Hannah Middleton. And I told her I was doing audiovisual art. And she said, when black holes collide, they make chirp sounds. And I was like, wow, my mind is blown. And we just started hanging out. And we didn't even tell the people who had organized the engagement kind of seminar. So probably three months later, we were just sort of, I was going to the lab and Chanxie's gone and seen what they were doing. And we've become really good friends, actually. Hannah's now moved to Australia. I did Shambhala Festival last week with Joan. We had Aaron Jones, who's helped build a lot of stuff along with Connor in the lab. And Connor is here for this event. And so we're having loads of fun sort of hanging out. And I started building a modular synthesizer to make some noise with it. And what I was going to do originally was try and get the interferometer to modulate the synthesizer. But what it turned out was that, like he says, the sort of vibrations are in the audio kind of region. So I ended up using the modular synthesizer and the low frequency oscillator to modulate that and use that as the voice. And it's become this amazing voice. We've got it over there. We're just tinkering with it. So there you go. Like the whole of the millions of years of gravitational black holes colliding at that point makes a chirp that quick. But rather than use the sounds, the digital samples of that, a lot of kind of artists use digital data after the fact for making art and sonifying data from CERN and what have you. I really wanted to use it as an instrument. I wanted the live performance because everything I do is live because I like the chaos that that kind of entails. And this is the chaos we've got in the dome. Everybody's usually playing live all day and into the evening. So there's a certain chaos, but out of that comes some real order. So I wanted to use the actual interferometer as this instrument. So we've done a few performances now. The next of which is actually at Newton's house. We'll sort of manner whether the apple tree or the reported apple tree. There are different stories as to whether or not there was really an apple. But the real apple tree from the real story, it really is a story, is there. So we'll be playing there in a couple of weeks. It's really exciting. So this was at the Future Sessions in Manchester, the Future Everything Festival. And Connor and Aaron came and talked to that. And my girlfriend has been brought into the project. She's a PhD student in digital animation at Plymouth University, the IDAT Collective. And so she's got gravitational, not gravitational wave data. She's got gravitational wave data and colliding neutron star kind of data. She's kind of animated. So we've got this lovely kind of stuff. And these lovely spang noises that come along are the actual voice of the interferometer. They're coming. There, that's the interferometer. So I'll keep that playing. I'll turn the volume down a little bit. So there's a lot of information flying around the system. There's the visuals that get OSC via a wireless router built into the modular. And I'm hitting the Mickelson interferometer and it's a local one. Gravitational waves won't really register on this one. But I'm also sending like LFO kick drum patterns through a solenoid that is attached to the interferometer that sends out the patterns later on. So when the beats come in, and this video is incomplete, it's not the whole set. And we've got that going later in the dome if you want to come and look. And so it all kind of, it's a living breathing system. And then what the plan is, and we almost did it at the Lunar Festival in the Journey to Neutopia. But they put us on too early to do the visuals. So we're putting the visuals in the 360 degree space. So you're really in the kind of planetarium feel of a kind of performance. And I think we're built wrong. We're built as just talking about the Chroma Touch dome here. So we've got the gravity set. The plans for the dome next are to put this into 360 degrees and to take it on tour next year. And the tour is going to go around the science festivals. It's going to do a bit of rural touring to places with village greens. We can put the dome up and all the kind of art centres that are on campus around the place. And there's going to be a whole programme of people using science and research for live performance. People like Graham Dunning. I need some mechanical techno. There we go, a bit of that. Here we go, he comes up. So he's gone viral. This amazing thing where he builds a whole system of mechanical objects that are driven by turntables and hacked records. So he uses metal contacts here to create some lovely stuff. Where do we go? So yeah. And he gets this lovely state where the whole thing is driven just by the kinetics of the turntable. I've also been talking to Vicky Clark who's got a lovely kind of materiality blog about all the stuff you can do with kind of physics and materials. And I'll go via that one. Okay. He's got a link to it. It's just a thing. So basically we've got a synth running later and everybody's plugged in to everybody else so we'll be showing that. And we'll be, here we go, materiality. Also been talking to Professor Alice Roberts about turning the diamond to a big heart. So that's where we're going to go with everything. I think we're kind of out of time. Are there any questions? Yeah, five minutes questions. Any questions? Can't see any hand. Oh, there we go. Yeah, sorry, I may have missed it. But did you say anything about the interferometer itself? How big is it? What is it made of? Can I make one? Can I play one? We've got one there. You can come see. Did you make it? It was made in the labs with Conor and Aaron and it's a desktop interferometer about so big and it's like a laser pen size laser in it with a small beam splitter and an optic diode that picks that up and then we amplify that into a series of modular kind of mixer bits that one we can send the solenoid to vibrate it and to really back into a resonator so that we can then give it melody because you can give a volt per octave pattern of notes in key to the resonated sound from that. So you can actually then give it a melody kind of pattern as well. And then that goes into a lovely kind of granular kind of synthesizer that then sort of spangles it about and spreads it across the stereo field. So it actually becomes a synthesizer rather than just a percussion instrument, but it does do these lovely percussion sounds and it's all flight cases and very portable. Yeah, any more for any more. Sorry, just to add on to that and the technical side of it. Yeah, the one we have over in the tent which you can come have a look at that is quite professionally done. I mean it'd be quite difficult to make that but Birmingham we are working on a way to get a sort of more general sort of easily assembled one that's fairly cheap because for the one through there the mirrors to get really good sounds and visual quality you really need a quick sense of mirrors. A proper bean splitter will be a few grand but of course that's if you want like really research grade.  But I mean if you look on the website you'll see information about that. But yeah the one through the one we've got through there like Eileen said it's quite small tabletop the arm length is about 15, 10, 15 centimetres. For those of you who don't know the ones that detected gravitational waves at Lego they're four kilometre arm lengths so they're a bit more difficult to make. Oh yeah well yeah so the tunnels themselves are four kilometres but the power's recycled so I think they believe the total path length of the weight is about 16 kilometres. Yeah so they're really they're in vacuums as well and they're suspended by glass wires so that there's no electrons that will vibrate them and it becomes so small a measurement that it's almost quantum mechanics because it's like almost imperceptible. This is why there are two facilities it's at Hanford and Livingston in different states so they've both got to go off for it to work and there's now Virgo in Italy so they are expanding. Yeah okay everybody big round of applause for Leon and Connor. Thank you very much thank you just a little reminder that EMF is entirely run by volunteers so if you're having a nice time at the festival please consider donating some of your time back to helping things run. I think we especially need people to do basically everything this afternoon but yeah thank you and another round of applause for these guys.


worried because this thing will shut off when you're recording sometimes this our internet on here well we'll keep an eye on it so what are we gonna do with this guy what colors are this one this one is teal and purple and I just want it all over all over the world all over the hood got it got it got it all right how's everybody doing tonight now we have all the lights in here so there's gonna be some shadows the cameras are so bright I'm sorry I just wanted to know I didn't know that I'm sorry New Zealand there's the cave air 67 all right so we're first gonna start out with alcohol ink and tell the people how we prep this board well as you can see it is a one of our cradle boards with the amazing ring on the back and our brand we did some prep work we just rolled it with PPG dead flat house paint interior dead flat that's what it's called PPG and then sanded it with some 220 then some 400 sandpaper in between wiped it off with a little rag and then did a coat of spray gesso and then standard that with some 400 and we're good to go I was half listening you said this one is the purples and teals yes all over I'm gonna get the spray air spray air spray air so if you guys can see that piece oh and back of me she is honest with that being noticed in my process apologies and purples so the colors I've used of our turquoise by Ranger pale aqua by zig and Copic blue green this color is Rangers purple twilight oh looks like a sad face because I haven't gotten there yet listen you asked me to do this and I won't let you down because I'm not good at ball inking I want to mix too much but I don't want to know but I don't want the colors to mix too bad and I don't want it to get muddy thank you Clara very sensitive mind it's unsteady I have this heat gun on all the way high so it's gonna hold deals gonna drive pretty fast thank you Clara it's not till Saturday but thank you I'll take it yeah we'll try to go live maybe on maybe on Facebook you can move that over you gonna be out of frame it's fine penny you're cute 35 thank you very much I will be 49 margin my birthday's almost it'll be Saturday but we'll be in the middle of the ocean Carol is gonna be 11 of us going on this yes no drama llamas that's the intention anyways yeah 70s babies I'm hoping Donnie can keep all our friends in chat the happy birthday to all the August and the 70s babies Jessica's born in August it's a five-day cruise it's too dark yeah what are you gonna do oh yeah for Hazel we're definitely gonna get some booze well we'll keep his memory alive and tell him happy birthday I'm sure he's checking out watching um ducks on this trip oh there's 11 ducks on this trip we're gonna take the ducks yeah we'll take we have some extra ones leftover sippy sippy Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday I don't know why this is beating up like this well I had the heat down so that might be it I have to um me it's a fun texture though I gotta reignite this guy though we do what I say everybody's in there Linda we we we promise we don't try to test you guys do you want me to get some of that lightning stuff that um that rainbow that you liked in the other piece it looks like vorabory Alice okay so fun sunset day day so I figured out if you add some bling it to it that um it makes a really interesting glittery look but I don't know if you want it for this piece or do you like what's your thoughts on additives on this one I mean it's almost too late now because I've almost dried it all but what is this it's gonna get it's gonna get covered with golden eyes are you okay with this line going through the middle um yeah because there's gonna be the eyes will probably be right here I just love doing these you guys when we get back there's gonna be two we come up with two different videos and nobody's done yet it'll be an nbd and that doesn't mean no big deal it means never been done I'm pretty short not that we know Denise I'm from Kansas I'm from Wichita Kansas there first one check check okay so now the other one's gonna be super bright but it's only gonna be it'll be concentrate in the middle I think I don't know I'm kind of worried about this next one there's definitely experiment one since we're experimenting I'm gonna grab some blowing it stone coats in the house what's up Mike or Mitch what I didn't even notice that where are you guys at here what's up so Mike I have um or Mitch or all of you guys um I've got I might I might hold off on this one until we come to Oregon um just because it's it's such a fun concept and such an awesome idea that uh I might save it for you it might be like a either it's amazing concept or that was the stupidest thing I've ever seen concept but uh I think it'll be cool do you show them your latest glass dump coat finish piece with the drip something there right there well I can't see because I'm going perfect finish just mirror for days and what about the the uh the Asian girl face let's see that one that one's a little bit smaller and you guys that one that she just showed you for sale tonight it it might be a little a little bit more than the others but I'm trying to make a little walking around money for this cruise that we're about to go on so uh and here's the other one look at that just glass with those very faint hexagons you can see there this one is sold by Shane Mr. Shane Stoner everybody we're busting out the resin later in the show thank you uh that first one I believe is a 21 inch probably 21 21 inch um that one there um I'll probably let that one go for probably 375 something like that it didn't take long to do it it was just a pretty quick one no that's not yours JJ that's a that's a different one that's a different one yours has um the greener eyes we just top coated yours again JJ this one is yours and yours oh yours is golden teal and it has lightning veins and it has those lightning veins in it look at that you should put some heat on that I am where's the do you not have a torch over here no you want to put that heat on it so it's already off right there Joe here and your piece back to the ox all right so this one you just want reds and pinks and yellows through the the middle of it no I want it to go all over because I'm going to spray um I'm going to do black I'm going to fade black and then do gold honey come on top of that okay uh stone coat we uh we what did you say I look forward to oh yeah oh yeah the collab in in that October at stone coat is going to be awesome nobody even knows how great that's going to be you can't even see the orange that's so weird this is a little what is that 15 this is a little 15 yeah Mike this time I might be a little bit more prepared for Vegas for Vegas but who knows I kind of like to wing it the way it's going I didn't know I blow that hard oh hey uh Susan we did we uh we sprayed the alcohol ink with come our varnish come our varnish thank you rusty what's my button that I need to have it on my on the computer because I have a speaker now right next to it hold on a second yeah thank you rusty really appreciate it rusty no idea how much that helps our channel not that we found it thank you very much and I did a little experimentation today of my own um that guide Mike art it does a lot of the texture stuff I like how he's got the texture and the shiny and and and all that kind of she has a jazzer I've always wanted to do something similar that was just flat and shiny and I have one I did today and I was showing to you I did it with uh with quick coat because of black I used uh that black some coat black and walking around money thank you rusty well usually we say all money that comes in through youtube goes right back into the channel but since it's designated walking around them I said we're talking about I think I want to be more concentrated like in the middle so you want more brighter colors here like like because it's going to be the eyes and then this is going to be alright yeah I would I would just put it all over like that and just slip it glossy around order the eye stencil you did are they up on the website holy cow you guys the eye stencils are up on the but there's only like a few of the full face stencils just heads up and then there's like 15 of the eye stencils can I put a little purple on this or is that too dark pack of stencils maybe next back oh wow what's that said would adding purple be too much no I would add purple and add some teal and I just thought you were I just meant like just bright colors all all over like how this looks like how it's like like a sunset I can let it sit here Deborah Rossi says Erica you make this look so easy literally if I can do it anyone can do it and I know that's so cliche to say but that's Richard's what hit that button thank you very much thank you and appreciate that sippy sippy money I would just want to sweat it's not like that like okay I mean well it doesn't work that way or you have it will work that way but it's gonna have to soak it's gonna take that a couple of seconds let me try let me try it I'm just gonna scoot you down there never mind because you're all right y'all I am now on questions and quadrants questions and quadrants is that how it goes Bowie well because there's a thing there Joe's watching another channel today and the gal likes to keep secrets too keep you watching it's that it wasn't anyone in our fam the 15 piece stencils are gone the capital gone well you guys I'm gonna try to talk Jeff into going back up to makers tomorrow well um I'm possibly going to be doing them in plastic just be more durable yes but they'll be a little they'll be a little bit more expensive but I will make them in uh what do you call it what's that called yeah I gotta get up early go get the tank top it's really sad when people don't share their information like what's the point of having to be as if you don't want to well inspiring people and helping people to create artwork or two different who Joe was he just having fun he didn't do the noise no who Joe that kind of little crazy over there yeah I have some I'll show you guys the plastic ones here in a second how fun is that or they're only sharing on Patreon I know sharing on Patreon but I feel like if you're I want to really help people and sometimes people can afford the cost of these materials and to fill money at Patreon I wouldn't even come on I'm just gonna know what are you gonna do you I like it I'm just asking what your plan is Bowie calm down just think it looks really awesome like a strivert I know but I'm just um you get just out of splash all right so what I'm gonna do with this one is I'm gonna take black and I'm just gonna I'm gonna go dark and fade it and go dark and fade it so there's a strip right here of this color left and I'm gonna put the eyes down do all the airbrush stuff on to it and then kind of fade that black into the eyes so it's kind of smoky looking that's what that's what I feel like it's going to look like in my head I can't promise anything I do have a face stencil that would look good on this because this is smaller get get the uh plastic stencils there's some over there yes sherbert so maybe I'll do they should be all right so this face is just perfect for this so glowfish I agree that I mean you can obviously keep some things to yourself for sure but um yeah if you don't want to share your idea don't worry about it that's a fun part of when people don't share we like to try to figure it out that's also true we like to share but there's absolutely some things that people want to teach to themselves and that's absolutely within like their right to do so I just I prefer to share and it definitely gives me a challenge when people aren't sharing how they do things and I get to try to figure it out you inspire hope I hope so well just imagine those stencils the ones that I have but in these that's dirty plastic oh here's one this is a in a plastic that I made and obviously I messed it up cutting it that way but um but that's the plastic it's very durable very good easier so the set of 15 isn't the only stencil we have on the side the there's also the eye set these are what's on the website if the other ones are gone this is what's up there now so this is what I'm thinking I'm thinking a circle I'm thinking I'll just do a circle a black around here and then do the honeycomb just on the outside in a circle that would be fun well Joe a lot of times it just takes a whole bunch of tests and retest and retest but we like to do the test so you guys don't have to that's not to say just because it doesn't something that doesn't work for us doesn't mean that it won't work for you guys um you see that slight shimmer that's from adding bling it I use the the pearl eye pearl gold interference pearl in this one this is hard black I don't want to be scared of me well I'm just saying because it might not dry that fast yeah we do have to seal it first and I'm trying to see if he's got them it's not over here if it is so to seal it I'm going to spray it with this UV archival from Krylon and Matt very important to do the mat Jeff is inspiring Bowie to get out of the fallout zone for the spray paint you don't mind if I personally deliver the stencil Linda yeah yeah yeah if I could I would personally deliver to all the fans it's tough to dry so quick it's in the man we're going to do that I'm afraid it's going to be too dark I definitely accept all thumbs sharing commenting etc like we appreciate it when people um tip the channel and donate things like that but absolutely is not necessary to support us a simple thumbs up we'll do it sharing a video we'll do it yeah that's stupid because I want to do it like that I don't want to do that I'm glad you're here Karen we will have an awesome vacation it'll be nice to all right we're going to do just to survive I don't want to do the whole face no feeling that shit you say just yet I want to do the whole face on this one all right so I'm going to do what I was doing the other day I'm going to do black um and then I'm going to come in with the uh uh the gold uh what do you call it honeycomb honeycomb yeah how did you start your art so Jeff has been art-ing since he could hold a pencil and we have a running joke that he learned to draw formally in math and science class math and english sorry english and science though too and also science and I actually have a degree in art but I wasn't using it I had a grown-up job until I met Jeffrey here and he reignited my passion for art why are you using UV and not the camera varnish and I recently discovered that the UV works better than the camera varnish sometimes the varnish um bleeds a little bit and I haven't had that issue with the UV I see you Clara hi margo I'm running out of paint I had a vacation in New York and then a sad trip to Vegas what is it just bad trip to Vegas you didn't bring home the money I'm going to go steal this then okay yeah do that by the window that's I'm gonna bring I'm gonna take this over here I don't want to spray this by the laptop super exhausting it should it sucks because you don't know when it's happening I'm about to just switch to your phone is it really just dropping it's on now sorry y'all if I have time tomorrow I'll go through and just make this all just one video if it's broken up into different parts like I feel like it has we're gonna hardwire our internet over here I don't know what the deal is but we'll figure it out it's a double fade I'm not sure Don I will check them what's that if I got the text you sent me what do you need for me so we're thinking about adding the um hexagon stencil to the website as well is that something you guys would be interested in I mean it could go that way right no sound yes please hey Ravonda how are you we are great yes honey come definitely are you gonna put more 15 stencils on the website too because I'm gonna hold off and get one if so and save on shipping yeah we're gonna 15 stencils you put 15 sets up there the set of 15 yeah yeah I don't know why it keeps dropping but I'll be on the phone with AT&T tomorrow like I have nothing else to do um we'll add the honey comes to the website as well as more of the multiple stencil packs I just have to wait until Jeff goes up to the uh to the makers I'm gonna use the arrow brush Linda said ain't I'm not high enough ain't I'm valley low enough to see me from getting back to AT&T I love what you did I learned so much from you people well I am so glad Don can't wait to see you by the way hey scarlet y'all we're gonna have more up in a minute it's not one run and done I don't think I'm gonna stick a sippy out of this can of spray can but it's not a good plan scarlet there's um a set of eyes here it's not the set of eyes that's gone it's the the complete set of 15 did anyone do some acting today hi Diane sorry about all the drops so this is the third video that's gonna be up tonight I don't know but I'm just gonna go in and edit it down to one I'm just gonna pull all three and condense them I arted if that's what you're talking about I did not act anymore though you're still doing warm-up I was gonna let them watch you warm up if you were oh yeah I'm gonna just yes art don says Clara acted like a tired person and took an out JJ said I acted like I wanted to be at work seems like there's a lot of people acting in here today and I've got to get a new needle or I probably should just get a new airbrush this thing is like paint should have already been coming out I probably should put a little oil there we go that's a little better I guess I better it's a little different with airbrush I'm gonna I'm gonna do the center really dark it's just not wanting to and I turn them ceramics I love it even cleaning his airbrush is a cool look ha everything Jeff does is gold I concur shop and drop I want to shop and drop you are you are busy busy bejoe tried to fix his teeth I fully ruin the other day we have at least one of those a week I'm pretty sure JJ is doing pretty great AIs for sure just send me a DM with your um arting I want to see it I haven't even almost done packing it I haven't even done the laundry to put in I did redo my hair though in preparation for the ocean I remember we used to do those crazy like blurry no because I need it to be a little more stable I don't want to I'm starting to get the hang of AIs at least they don't look like muddy unicorn murder scenes anymore I've done some of those she has I've definitely done some of those so proxy thank you sweet sour cream you can have unicorns just not bloody dead unicorns a bloody muddy dead unicorns is that that's that's kind of hard to see huh no it's I can't like I'm not a fan of that angle can you like pull it this way and then turn it sorry y'all I'm just I'm trying to make this to where you guys will be able to see it and I'll be able to paint it there's a there probably is a market for your muddy you know muddy murder unicorn scenes there's a market for everything that is true Linda Chatter first AI the other day hands look better than the canvases this is like super annoying I feel like I would be a doctor they can see you that that's all that shows is the camera right there all right so I'm gonna do this one a little different hi Jerry I'm gonna start with with the shadows first is this part of the blot set I mean the all these are all these are part of what you get in the in the multi-pack Dr. Thornton is in y'all hey Carol girl or a pizza melody are you talking about true color for this piece or a different one also I love that your name is melody and your avatar is I'm using carbon black for this right here and if you if you if you can't see it's because I'm barely putting it putting it down because I'm gonna come back with the shading gray and once that shading gray hits it it'll darken up pretty quickly so that's why I'm just I'm just trying to get these hard lines first yeah I'm gonna link these videos to the listing like the purchase listing for the stencils so that you guys have something to reference back to don't also know what ink you're using an airbrush is it special it's not I'm just using comart it's really really good airbrush paint I think it comes with some airbrushes it does come with some uh some of the uh I want a packs like you can get a brush a hose and like three or four colors sometimes I'm not sure I think I actually got these online I got like a set with different colors I don't know some do some don't this is just this is just opaque black but it's really good and they have this amazing um transparent smoke if you're patient and you want your artwork to look like a photograph this is a stuff to use you start out with this in your airbrush and you get all of the shadows that you want to that you want to get and then add a little carbon black just a little bit to it and then add a little bit more and a little bit more or you can get the transparent black and then add to black to that and that's the transparent black is still um very very light transparent I want these to be like super smoky so that's why I'm I'm starting out with the with the with the black how many of y'all have an airbrush out there see you margot sorry for all the movement I'm gonna I'm gonna have to move this because I can't get I can't get to where it's good it's not very bright though like it's because there's too much light back there bring that up and do a little bit of what do you call it no no is that it yeah overhead double click again there you go all right now I can get a little closer makes me a little happier I can clean my glasses off it looks like a lot of you guys have an airbrush or a plan to get an airbrush seems like this is awesome that glare from that light that I'm not used to all that light like directly yeah like directly I need it in over here though so some of you even have an Iwata that's what Jeff refers to you um he has the gravity which means that his little cup of paint is on the top yeah there's also a siphon bed which has the paint on the bottom of it it just comes up through the bottom you have to you have to have a special cup for that Jeff prefers the gravity seems like a lot of people only have them to blow air around on alcohol in acrylics or resin which is not a bad use but since you have it anyways you may as well um fiddle with adding a new medium to your repertoire right yeah bye sue have a great day this little splash man this is not the paint is not coming out like I would like it to I think it's because you can't really see like I I think it's I'm not used to painting like this you mean adjust any of the lights no because then everything will be going off do you recommend any good airbrush tutorials do you have any um I I don't really have any tutorials like if you want to know something now ask me now but uh you know I can't I can't like get in like it's hard for me to see detail because the light coming from in front of me it's like super gnarly hold on you can't you can't mess with that though it's just gonna be worth you know it's saying it's just at that angle like it's just it's still like the glasses the glare mm-hmm just I'll deal with it no where do you want to just leave it right there where was that I mean there's nothing we can do about it it's just that's where the lighting's got to go um do you have any listed in your amazon I'm sorry don't do I have any listed what what I'm trying to learn in my wood art um Linda we put these stencils that are you using right now available for purchase earlier today they are already all gone but I'm gonna do my best to convince Jeff to go to makers tomorrow and make some more if he has time um but we'll see because tomorrow's gonna be really busy every day until we leave it's gonna be busy but if you're subscribed to our website then I'll send out a big email tomorrow and let people know this is driving me insane like there's supposed to be paint coming out right when I do that and look like my hand is like like that is not a good time I don't understand what the deal is I just need to get you a new one right you know oh this is frustrating all right let me see where's mine Linda just made a jalapeno margarita awesome tink where you weren't gone long cheers Diane um Linda I'll have them up soon I promise what's up cats no worries we had technical difficulties in the beginning anyways in a little bit still cats are you saying that you're mixing beer and dr pepper or cheers with dr pepper I just want to use these stencils to cut crease my own eyeballs but I know it won't work but I wish it could it would work that's what don't they do that a lot of people use a spoon um stone coats going live tomorrow awesome I think we're gonna pre-post like post a pre-recorded video tomorrow yay eyebrow hair see it's like I can't even it's it's not responding that's so frustrating like I know when is the paint supposed to come out so now I'm having to pull back even more and that makes me nervous because once you when you start pulling back on this trigger more paint comes out it's just not coming out when I think it's gonna come out no fun but we just won't put too much detail where the fine lines are yeah we'll just use the hand stencils a little bit more pardon Julie pardon can you get a new one overnight um new one what a new airbrush I don't think I don't think I don't I'm I'll deal with it I've I've used them I've used airbrushes so long that I don't I mean I'm not it's just when I'm doing it live and it's not coming out so it's a little frustrating so I'll be I'll be all right I promise you you just like seems to be perfect for y'all just when you're explaining something and it's not doing what you're explaining that's a little frustrating she says it's still looking amazing I mean I don't see how you guys can see it it's so dark now you can you can tell you're building it how do you tell if your needle is blunt because you can't get a uh easels in the way that's why let's do this I'm gonna use this how do you tell if your needle is blunt because of how how the paint will sputter when it comes out jeff your bad day is better than most good days airbrushing thank you very much what kind of pencil is that just a prismicolor have you tried your scratchy thing on this yet I have no I'm not using it how do you know where to add these white highlights because the picture that I used I've done it a couple times now so I kind of just know where they're at um let's see here yeah this is a new piece that sounds deadly down here I'm going to put the white highlights here see if you just continually add just a little bit of white to certain areas that are that's highlight they'll stay white and then you continue to see where to put highlights and it just makes it look a little more natural I know that's why I'm on your phone what's wrong oh it stopped I know but it went to stop and I pulled it up on your phone so it's streaming on your phone now I'll be on the phone with him first thing in the morning hey y'all sorry it keeps dropping but I'll have it fixed tomorrow it's like super annoying love that she has purple eyes this time what kind of work is that it's a caska brush pen it looks like an eyeliner pen yeah definitely makes that do that don't shake too hard because it's gonna splatter well even if you hold that down it will probably make these people's a lot bigger so I'm just gonna do the eyelashes and then I will spray the other face Rusty said now if I can make the eyes look half as good as yours funny I can sculpt an eye but can't draw one that's crazy I love those lashes that come into the eye or the reflection of lashes how do you decide how big to make a pupil because it needs to be like you just can tell that it needs to be bigger like it needs to take up a third of the eye what up Clara like that makes not people don't want to watch our channel if it does that I know but I'm gonna take all three down put them together and repost it as a time lapse tell me these brushes drying out maybe you just have to click the end of it or whatever JJ said we'd watch it even if it was in a million pieces Jeff I haven't taken any of those ones I didn't even know you had them I think it just takes time and experience to know where to shadow and create light that's true and oftentimes it comes down to your reference Linda says I don't know it's kind of exciting and fun chasing you all over YouTube keeps the relationship fresh Deborah says I'm glad you're dedicated enough to keep coming back I'm loving this I am too I like anything with purple in it for sure though absolutely Clara how many faces do you think you've painted in your lifetime thousands like I've had I've I have so many portraits I've done so many I mean it has to be I mean I would have to say it's more than more than a thought like I don't like if I think about how long I've been painting and like where I've put them up and or if I've sold them or gave them to somebody or threw away or I love how you always do long lashes makes me happy it shows Jeff amazing talent like that doesn't come after 10 or 20 pieces this looks like such a mysterious lady how beautiful I could watch Jeff for hours my husband gets concerned and I'm quiet this long oh I am definitely fluent in typos trying not to move so much so it doesn't get all choppy on y'all so that was super 77 spray adhesive so he doesn't put too much pressure down because he doesn't want to rip the stencil when he pulls it off he's just tapping down the edges so that just chop the edges what is that from tap tap tap tap room I don't know tap tap tap tap somebody else say it I'm sure JJ'll say it or Clara BAM their movie bus that is not Yupo paper I think that's just a that's just printer paper Yeah, this is regular old printer paper. It doesn't look like carbon black, does it? I wonder if I just get it mixed it up.  No, maybe a couple coats will make it carbon black. I don't mind it because I'm going to go over this. I answered I wish I had brows. It's changing gray. Yeah, I always look like I don't have any eyebrows on if I don't darken them. I don't have really any arm here either. My God, it looks like you have a creepy little three nostril nose on it from here. I can't with you right now. My can-ness has expired. I don't even know what to do with you. That's a little bit more carbon black. See the difference? It's way different. They're like, yeah, whatever, bro. Excuses, excuses. The start of something beautiful. She's watching. This is driving me insane. My finger is like indented, like this part, because I'm holding it down to it. It's almost uncomfortable. I'm just wasting paint. I've never heard of that medication.  I can see that, Linda. I've never really understood how people got creeped out about it. I think it's awesome to think about it as some eyes are moving and watching. I always think of the cartoon, like Scooby-Doo, how the, what do you call it? I've always watched you, so I always try to do that. I've done a couple paintings wherever you stand that they'll look at you. Who bought that last one? Yeah, that's why I'm not digging this. I'm sorry, Bea. It's shitty, squatty eyelashers. There's no room for that in Dallas. I would get lost in all the ways that stencil can be used. What eyes do you guys think you should add to this one? Basically, all I can use it for is just blowing color out. That is like super frustrating. JJ said, you know how when the food's so good and nobody's saying a word at dinner? That's what it's like watching Jeff Hart. It did get super quiet when you started airbrushing. Thanks, y'all. Too sweet. Everyone is agreeing. That's pretty heavy. Shhh, JJ, I'm watching. Can Jeff do some airbrush teaching videos? I want to airbrush along with him to see what I make turns out looking like what he makes. I'm thinking not. It just takes time in practice. If you've never airbrushed, it's a little difficult to get used to. Erica picked it up pretty fast. She did really good when the first time she used it. But I was right there just like yes and no and don't do this, do that. Hey, Ollie.  So it's hard to describe how to do something or why something looks especially for anatomy. It's very intimidating just talking about what should go where, why it should do.  I would just be like, if you want to come, I'm going to be doing this. Probably doing some questions. If you guys want to bring some airbrushes, I don't know. It would really depend on the time frame. It would be more like a workshop. Linda says you are talent. Baby cake says don't feel bad. You're awesome. Claire said just teach the techniques and let people try them. Carol says that was smoking like a true artist. Misty says, Jeff, you said exactly what my teacher said. What color are you looking for? Don says looks like vampire eyes.  Julie said she would definitely watch the tutorial. If you guys do that, if you guys do use a marker inside of a stencil like this, and it's kind of raised a little bit, get in there, do your circle, take it off. Because if you mess around and do that, do it again, it'll, odds are it'll move and you'll smear your paint because paint is right on the edge and it'll go, it'll get right underneath.  And you color it in or make something darker. Would silicone finger F1 airbrushing? I don't know that he's ever tried those. B. What? Have you ever tried silicone finger grips? Airbrushing. They're like finger condoms, I think, but they're silicone? No. It's just pressure. Right, it gives some padding though. I think Jeff needs to feel the gun. Yeah, it's a lot of a feeling. That was a good thought though. Tammy said if we will be in town, would we be able to meet you guys? Tammy, you're talking about this town, are you coming to Dallas? It's kind of like in Ballet and if you ever did point, like you want to pose but you can't do too much because you have to be able to feel the floor. When you're coming to town, Tammy, if we're here, you're welcome to come by the studio. Gina, it was a great idea though. It doesn't look like any colors coming out. It's nice. Carol, we've been pulling some long days lately. You've got to go get that. What? Is it USB drive? Okay, I just get all the airbrushing done and then we'll top coat and add things tomorrow. Probably being early. I might do white airbrush with this one. You guys really need this holiday. You don't even know sour cream. That is for real.  That is also a true statement. We need a cruise away from our cruise. We're on the way to the port. Riding with four or five other people. That's going to be cute. I don't think I'm going to allow that. I'm going to have the judge throw that out as we speak. Do you just throw out my Mimi? I'll get some sleep tonight. Soon as this video is over and I walk the boys and do seven loads of laundry and do seven loads of laundry. All these things. Hey, Boppo. I'm in there. That was cute. Beepies. Vacation after my vacation. The thing about it is after our vacation, we have to go to Jeff's class reunion. Five-year joke. It's not a joke. Because it's not serious. The only other option is joke.  So we're going to his reunion and we're going to do demos there because Kansas needs to know about resin or Wichita over there. And then I'll take a nap. I'm going to try to airbrush, holding. This is a little difficult, but I'm going to try. It must go on. What it is, it's just misfiring a little bit. Sorry, y'all, but we're back. Oh, goodness. We're sorry about the internet thing. I'm blown away that it just keeps doing that. I'll make this one a little more cartoony, spacey more. I hate that I can't see what you guys see. It's still on. Sorry, I'm not. I can't. This camera is like five feet over my six feet. Something like that. One of those, where's my white at? I got one white one time and it was like super transparent, which I was not happy about. So I normally don't use white. It kind of makes your artwork look cartoony. But when you're doing something like this with color and there's white in the background and very translucent, I don't mind using white. It brings it out a little bit more. I'm starting to get irritated with the internet and with this airbrush. I don't want to start skipping stuff and rushing.  I'll let you guys go. You guys come back three or four times. I have no idea why the internet is acting the way it is. But what are you going to do? It takes me back to when I used to do t-shirts. I'm not feeling it right now. It's way too dark in these areas. Let's eject that all up. There's no coming back from that one. It started to look like a comic book to the character. I'm just checking out your guys' conversation there. That's what makes it look very cartoony. I look like I'm painting on a motorcycle right now. I hope you guys can see what I'm doing. It looks like an airbrush t-shirt. I'm not ready to get off here.  Maybe I'll do some cartoon stuff to this. Maybe add some hair on those. It's like a filter on Facebook. Very dreamy. I appreciate it, you guys. Sorry for all the interruptions. I don't know if you guys can see me. I'm not sure what time it is. What is tomorrow? Thursday. A day before we leave for our cruise. She has got this so cock-eyed over here. I don't know how this is even staying up. Let me see if I can maybe point this more at myself here. Thank you. I apologize for all the downstreaming and all that. Whatever that's called. Internet outage. Thank you. Tomorrow we'll be back probably early. I'm not sure. She might just post a video. Or maybe just a quick one. So yeah. Make sure you guys... I think Stonecoats live tomorrow, so make sure you check them out. I'm not sure what time though. Whenever they go live, they normally have something pretty important to say. I guess that's it. Be kind to one another. You never know what somebody's going through. One will be for sale. This one will be for sale. Maybe I'll make this a galaxy. Maybe I'll just do little stars all over it or something. I don't know. That one that I painted... I don't know why this is so difficult to turn. That one there is definitely for sale. You guys can see that. You cannot. Of course you can't. That one there is for sale. I want to say a 21 inch. I think I have 375 on it or 4, something like that. I'm not sure. The small one will probably be around 125-150. So yeah. There you go. You guys are awesome. So yeah. We'll probably put it on our ATDs, poor people group on Facebook. What time will go live? We just got a lot of stuff to do. I'll be at makers making stuff, making your stencils, making more coasters. Getting stuff ready for our cruise. If you don't know, we leave for a cruise on Friday. We'll be back the 20... No. The first because I have to go to my 30-year high school reunion and do a demo in Wichita, Kansas at Maxine's off of Douglas. I hope that's what it is. We're going to do boards by Brittany. She does awesome signs. She does awesome sign parties, drink and paint parties kind of thing. So if you're in Kansas or in Wichita, go check out Maxine's. I'm sure she'll be there painting some boards up. You guys have an awesome night. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.


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But how? Where? That's where I'd been when I woke up. Tellerie Street. Well, maybe Grey Eyes would go back there, too, looking for me. But I had to take that chance. Tellerie Street. Hello there. Couldn't see you under that hat at first. Oh, yeah. You know me? Sure. What can I get you, son? Well, uh, you got an evening paper I could look at? Nope. Sorry, never read them. Too much trouble in the world these days, anyhow. See how you been? You haven't been around two or three weeks. Oh, well, I've been kind of busy. Uh, good pop. Yeah? I made a bet with a guy that even though you see so many customers, you'd walk right up and give me my full name. Oh, well, I'm sorry. I don't know it. I don't think I ever heard your name. But I know your girl. My girl? You do, huh? Well, maybe I can still win my bet if you'll give me her name. Gee, I've heard you mention it. I'd know it if I heard it. Well, see if I can steer you a little. Now, is it Mary? Uh, Alice? Lillian? Ah, Margaret. No, wait a minute. Wait. I know Ruth. That's it, Ruth. Ruth? Yeah. Well, sure, you got it. Now, now, what's Ruth's last name? Gee, I don't know her. I know where she lives, though. You do? Yeah, right across the street, the Tillery Apartments. Well, it's right. Uh-uh, but now, now, what apartment? What's the number of Ruth's apartment? Three C. Apartment three C. Say, that's pretty good if I do say so. I was only there once, remember? The night I brought the samsys over, uh... Yeah, well, uh, thanks. Uh, will you win your bet, mister? What? Oh, yeah, yeah, I think I will. Uh, what's your name, so I'll know it next time. Oh, I'll tell you tomorrow. I hope. So long. So long, Pop. Thank you. I'll miss... What's the matter? Nothing. Nothing, I... just tie him a shoe. I'd just been going to walk out when I saw him standing across the street gray eyes again. I took down behind the store window and watched him. He looked over in my direction and then up and down the street. Oh, I think there's a cigarette in the store down the corner. The minute he disappeared, I yanked the door open, dashed out, ran across the Tillery Apartments and went in. It's me. He's been around here twice today. He may be in the neighborhood right now, for all you know. Who? Oh, well, Flattery, of course. Has he got gray eyes? What? Yeah. Did you ever see a detective that didn't? Sure, sure. Danny, what's the matter with you? You're acting so strangely. Well, I... I just want to look at you. You seem so different, so far away. You haven't kissed me. Well, that's easy to be fixed. Oh, darling, where have you been for three weeks? All around. Miss me? You know I did. Oh, Danny, do you suppose... do you think we could get away at night? I've got $3,000 saved up. We could go to Mexico or South America. We could get married. Mr. and Mrs. Daniel Nearing, tour of the world. Daniel Nearing? Yeah. And wife. Sounds plenty good to me. Well, you'll never know how good. We'll get out of here tonight. I'll call up and tell him I'm quitting my job. I'll say I'm sick. All my stuff's here. Nothing's out there but a couple of uniforms. I'll make Elma and Franklin a present of those. Elma and Franklin?  Maybe they weren't glad when it happened. A couple of vultures. I'd buy to them. Oh, with you back, Danny. Just think with my $3,000...  Absolutely, I think so. I was never cut out to be a nurse anyway. Oh, I guess you weren't. Any more than I was cut out... Any more than you were meant to be a secretary. That's right. Well, I never wanted to be a secretary. Just drifted into it, I guess. I found a girl on my nerves, especially toward the end. You know, the boss was no cinch to work for. He certainly wasn't. He was a rat. The whole day for a bunch of mean rotten. The whole family. Yeah, that's right. I'll accept the old man. Oh, yeah, the old man. I sort of liked him, didn't I? He loved you, Danny. I think he wished you'd been his son. Poor old man. He's the only reason I've stuck around out there this long. Some things out there. Oh, they've been questioning all of us. They've laid off lately, though, since you... Oh, Danny, don't let's talk any more about it. You're back. That's the main thing. I just want to forget new Jericho and the whole... New Jericho, huh? Yes. If only it hadn't happened. What hadn't? You know what? Oh, Danny was going to become of you and me. I wish I knew. Danny, get away from that window. Leave that shade down. He's down there. Who? Grey eyes.  He's coming in here, in the building. Oh, did he see you? Bruce, would you help me? What are you going to do? I'm going to give myself up. No, no, you... Well, it's better than getting shot at. What can they do to me?  They can send you to the chair. The chair? What do you think happens to a man when he's yelling a murder? Murder. Bruce, listen to me. I'm not a murderer. If the whole world says I committed murder, I say I didn't. The me that's in me says I didn't. I never said you were, Danny. I always said you didn't do it. All of you hadn't run away. So that's it. Why did you come here, Danny? Why? Bruce, wait. We've got to get out of here. How about the fire escape shaft? Dom Wager. Dom Wager. Here. I'll get in. I'll stand on top and work the ropes. I don't think it can hold us both. Got to. Can you hear me? Yes, yes, Danny. We're going back there to New Jericho. New Jericho? No, Danny, don't. Please, for me. Got to. I've got to find out. We're going together. No. No, Danny, no. I've got the money. We can get out of here. Stop it. Danny. Come here on in. We're sticking together. They're going to take me back there. Back where it happened. All right, darling. You're crazy, but I'll go wherever you go. I can't lose you again. On the train, Bruce and I said very little to each other. While I hid in the telephone booth at the Pennsylvania station, she bought us a couple of cheap overcoats. I sat hunched up in mine, thinking, thinking. Bruce had brought along the newspaper clippings. I looked at what they said for the 20th time, trying to see if there was anything there that would help me. Dietrich Slayer saw it, said. The secretary wanted him brutal slaying at suburban estate. Police are pressing the search for Daniel Neering, secretary and the employer of the late John Dietrich 58, member of a well-known local family who was shocked and killed in the drawing room of his new Jericho estate on the morning of November the 7th. Neering disappeared November the 7th on the morning of which date he is known to have had a bitter quarrel with the deceased. This last was attested to at the inquest by Elman, Franklin Dietrich, widow and brother of the murdered man. Well, I had all the facts now. Wanted for murder. And yet everything that was in me told me that no matter who I'd been, however many memories I'd lost that I was no killer, that I couldn't have. I had to get into that Dietrich house and stand again in the room in which it had all happened. Maybe something would come back to me. Maybe there would be. They drove down to the village.  Yeah. Elma said something. But I said I had nothing to do in town and came out to write some letters. Let's go then. Oh, Danny, I'm scared. Please, let's not stay out here. You said you loved me. I do, Danny. I do. That's why I'm scared. They're only going to the village. They'll be back in half an hour at the most. Come on, open the door, Ruth. Hurry. I've got to see the inside. That room. The place where it happened. It's wrong, Danny. I'm telling you, you're wrong. Open the door, Ruth. Quickly. Now, let's have a look at that room. Please, Danny, please, don't talk about it. This is where I'm supposed to have murdered John Dietrich. Danny, please. Where was it? Show me exactly where it was, Ruth. I've got to know. There? Right there. He was standing by the grandfather's clock. Oh, you're going crazy, Danny. If they get you, you'll hang. You still believe in me, don't you, Ruth? I believe you, Danny, but I'm scared. I love you. Ruth, wait a minute. What's that? Listen. It's only the old man. He's asleep in that room off there. Don't go in there, Danny. You'll wake him. I want to see him. No. No, don't, Danny. He can't help you. You know he's paralyzed and he can't talk. Turn on the light. I want to see him. Hey, are you walking? It's me, Mr. Dietrich. Ruth. This is Danny. You remember Danny, don't you? Hello, Mr. Dietrich. See how his eyes are shining. Was he here when it happened? You know that, Danny. Why do you ask such funny questions? He's been in bed here for five years. That mirror. On the wall there. The clock. Look. You can see the grandfather's clock in the other room. What are you getting at, Danny? He could see it. The old man could see the murder through the mirror. If only he could talk. He can't talk. You scare me, Danny. He saw the man who killed John Dietrich. Look. Look. He understands what I'm saying. He's blinking his eyes. Oh, stop torturing him, Danny. You can't just see what you're doing. He's trying to say something. Look. Look. His eyes are blinking. He's going to help me. Go outside and watch, Ruth. Go on. I'll watch out at the entranceway. Be careful, Danny. Please, they'll be back in a minute. Leave me alone with him. I'll call if I hear them coming. Don't be afraid. I'm going to ask you a question and you're going to answer me. Are you trying to tell me something about the murder?  Blink twice if you are. And that's it. Once. Twice. That's good. Did you see it happen? Here, in your mirror. Blink once if the answer is no. Twice if the answer is yes. Once. Twice.  You saw it. Now, then, is the murderer in this house? Danny. Danny, they're coming. Frank and Nana, get out of here. Run, Danny. Run. Is the murderer in this house? Blink once for no, twice for yes. Yes. In this house. Danny. Danny, they're coming. Wait, wait. I've almost got it. Now, Mr. Dietrich, was it me? Once for no, twice for yes. Was it me? Get out of here, Danny. Into the big room. I'll talk to them. All right. All right. Thanks, Mr. Dietrich. I'll be back. Ruth, is that you and Father's room? Yes. Are you here alone? Oh, yes. Why? No, we thought we heard voices. What are you so jittery about, Ruth? I'm just tired, that's all. May I go to bed now? Father's still awake, Ruth. You'll go to sleep all right. I'm going upstairs, Mrs. Dietrich, now. Good night, Ruth. And, uh, take your flashlight with you. Oh, I'm sorry. It was dark on the road tonight. Good night, Ruth. Good night. She's brought him back here with her. He might think. Who? Dan? Oh, Franklin. Take it easy. If he's here, we'll get him. After the evidence we gave against him at the hearing, I... Oh, I'm frightened. Let's get out of here fast. I'll go to the village for the police. Call the police. No, I'll do it. Hello? Hello? It's too late. It's dead. The wire is cut. Come on, we'll both drive to the village. But he may be waiting for us out by the car. Uh-uh. Oh. What? Yeah. What are you doing there, Franklin? I think I just might need my gun. Come along. The moment they left the house, I made for the old man's room. I called for Ruth, but she was gone. Maybe Franklin and Elma had caught her after she cut the telephone wire, but I couldn't wait. My life was hanging on minutes now. I shot the flashlight on the old man's face. Now, Mr. Dietrich, you're helping me fine. You know I'm trying to save my life, don't you? Now, the murderer. Was it me? Was it me who did it? Me, Danny Neering. Blink once for no. Once. Once! Oh, you're sure. You're sure it wasn't me. Oh, you're smiling, Mr. Dietrich. Smiling. Now, it was somebody in this house. Then who was it? Oh, can't you make a sound? Help me. You've got to. Was it Elma? Twice for yes, once for no. Once. Not Elma. All right, then. Was it Franklin? Up with the hands, Neering. You'll never get a trial. Franklin. You've got to listen. You've got to.  I'm trying to kill the old man, too. The murderer returns to the scene of his crime. You know I didn't kill him. Elma will have me in a couple of minutes. Where's your girlfriend, Ruth? She's not here. I don't know where she went. Never mind. They'll find her.  You killed my brother and beat it. Where'd you get out of it? I thought it was puzzled us. You killed your brother.  You've gone nuts, too.  To get his share of the estate and his wife, Elma, amongst other things. But you can't stop with killing me. Someone else knows the truth. The old man saw it. In the mirror.  The old man saw it. How do you know? He told me. You're lying. He can't talk. He can't even move. He can hear. He can blink his eyes. Come over here. Look. He'll be all right. I heard him.  Here's the gun, Danny. Take it. I shouldn't have. In another minute, I... I'm not sure it was Franklin. Oh, Danny, please. Let's run for it. They'll be here in a second. If I can be with the old man in another half-minute. Mr. Dietrich. Mr. Dietrich. It's Danny again. No, Danny, don't. Don't. Tell me, Mr. Dietrich. Was it Franklin?  Blink once if he did. He's afraid. Why are you afraid? Oh. Oh, there's this gun. Here. Take the gun, Ruth. You take it. He's afraid.  What's the matter? Why don't you answer me? Who killed John Dietrich? It wasn't me. It wasn't Elmer. It wasn't Franklin. But someone in the house. Was it Ruth? You? I told you. I told you not to come. Oh, I love you, Danny. I wanted you. I wouldn't have let them get you. Why? Why, Ruth? Why did you kill him? He was always after me. I hated him. Then that night he came at me, threatened me, said he'd kill me. If he couldn't have me, nobody could. He had a gun and I got it away from him. It... We hit the clock. He leaned against it.  It was the day you ran away and I was crazy. They thought it was you. They started looking. I love you, Danny. I still love you. I begged you not to come back here. Ruth! Put down that gun, Ruth. No. Stand back, Danny. Stay over there. Just want to look at you. I was hoping we could get away together. But you've been through enough, Danny. And all because of me. Now you're clear, Danny. And this is going to clear me. I guess that's about all there is to tell. I tried to put it all behind me. To resume my life where I left off over three years ago. I tried to put it all behind me. I tried to put it all behind me. To resume my life where I left off over three years ago. To resume my life where I left off over three years ago. Sometimes when it gets dark evening, I go and walk along Tilleries Street. Once in a while somebody, somebody I don't know, will say hello, Danny. I just say hello and walk on. I don't want to find out anything anymore.  And it will. I'll accept Ruth. Because somewhere behind that black curtain was loved and loved someone. We must have known a love that I'll never know again. And so closes the black curtain starring Mr. Kerry Grant, tonight's tale of suspense. Since the beginnings of history, people have enjoyed wine. Ages ago our ancestors found that wine made any food taste better. Wine is a simple pleasure that anyone can enjoy. That is why Roma has devoted all its wine making skill to producing wines of fine quality at a price that means you can enjoy them often. Just a few cents a glass. Don't feel that you need fine crystal or a special occasion to serve Roma wine. Next time you have a quick supper, serve Roma wine in plain tumblers with your spaghetti or cold meats. And notice how much more enjoyment and zest it adds to the meal. Serve Roma wine often, cool or chilled. You'll quickly discover why Roma is the most popular wine in the world. Roma wines are America's largest selling wines. Yes, Roma wines are true to type. Roma wines are faithful in flavor. Roma wines are sound of character. 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