Hi, and welcome to our Help I'm an Accidental Government Information Librarian webinar series. Today, the topic is Promoting Government Documents in Your Community with Paula Webb. Paula Webb is the government documents reference and outreach librarian at the University of South Alabama. She obtained her MLIS from the University of Alabama. She is a member of ALA and the Alabama Library Association. She has appeared in college and research library news, college and undergraduate libraries, computers and libraries, DTTP, Mississippi Libraries and Serials Librarian. She wrote the chapter and analysis government issued policies and best practices for microblogging social media tools in a publication titled Web 2.0 Technologies and Democratic Governance. She received the 2011 Movers and Shaker Award and the 2012 CUS Research Award. Okay, great. Hello everybody. I'm so glad that you could attend this webinar. I have a lot of information I'm going to be distributing and talking about when it pertains to government documents outreach. But with every good presentation, you need a good introduction, so thank you so much for giving me that great introduction. Now, what we're going to talk about today is government information, what we know, what we don't know, the different types of environments we have to promote within, and in my world over here in Mobile, Alabama, it's going to be the campus environment, which I include the library, the classroom environment, and the surrounding community environment. And now each are unique and have to be handled as such. I could easily have an hour talk on each one, but today we're going to do an overview of the ways you can promote government documents in each of these communities. Again, these are things I do every day. Little things that I think about and that I've tried and seem to be successful to some degree. I'm also going to talk about things I've tried and have worked and things that have not worked. So this will not be a complete success story. Sorry, but that's just life. But you have to try things to know if they'll work or not. And so that's what I'm going to talk about as well. We all know the value of government information. So let's start with what we know. We know government documents applies to a host of wonderful resources. We know it has the census. We know it has the IRS. We know the congressional records. And we know healthcare. We know NASA, National Park Service. All of these are great, great sources of information. You've got all these wonderful things out there that people can use to make their life better and to just to be informed. So what is it that seems to be between letting people know about government documents? Well, one of the things, and this is just for starters, and I used one great article by Lori Gwynett on promoting government documents while selling information literacy. I used her reference and said some of these things are part of her article, which is a great resource, to talk about things that are issues. Just to start, this is where government documents professionals think differently than subject liathons in our libraries. The campus community and the surrounding community. Government documents tend to be broken down by agencies, not by subjects. This can sometimes be challenging. The crossover can be a challenge for all parties. However, I do think it's necessary to get a full use of what you have available in the library. As an example, when someone is needing housing statistics for 1990s, you can't just say, go to census.gov for your information. They're not going to know what you're talking about, and if they do know or have an understanding, they're going to have a hard time finding it and using it. So everybody needs the knowledge of this type of information. But what are some of the things that are the problem? Let's look at what we know. First, we know that we have a ton of great government information. We know that we have the Federal Depository Library Program, which provides, as a government documents librarian, we know this program and we are very familiar with this program. It's all over the United States. It makes government information available for everyone. We also know that these print resources that are distributed by the SELP, in addition to online resources, can be found all over. SELP has a great map where you can click on that state or that location close to you and you can access this government information. This is the URL. If you're interested in the slides or something like this, there's going to be the copy of the webinar afterwards. You can get the URL from there. But this is how you can find local government information. And what's important to know is that every depository on this map at these locations is unique to its area. So if you're trying to find government information, and I'm in the Gulf Coast area, so we're going to choose things that lean toward our area. So it's really important for people to know about the SELP, where to find their local SELP, and how to access that type of information. In addition, government documents can be found online. Not only is there the U.S. government publications, catalog of U.S. government publications that set the SELP, but you also have some other great resources, like the United States Federal Government Documents Registry that's a partnership with Hasse Trust. Most government document librarians also are familiar with government information outside of the SELP. So don't be afraid to ask your government document librarian for help in this regard. Here's an example of the U.S. Airway Flight 1549 accident. This was where they interviewed Sully from that movie. Sully that came out recently and has done very well. This is a link at Hasse Trust for that event. So you can send this information and make it available to the people. It's there and it's available. Another good thing about government documents is that it's free. Government information is free for everyone to use in any and all formats. Online print DVDs. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I thought maybe there would be some people listening who just wanted to learn more or use the presentation information or use this information beyond their scope. So there's tons of great government information available, free online print, DVD maps, curriculums, et cetera. We've got a lot of great things in our collections. It's a great source of primary resources. The Library of Congress. And this is a sheet, a page of notes from the Rosa Parks primary source gallery. Rosa Parks in this gives an account of her growing up in a rural pine level Alabama farm. So you can access this information. It's government information. It's the information students can use to do their research pertaining to Rosa Parks in this case. And it's primary, which is great. Another great thing about government documents is that it covers all subjects. Government documents has the ability to cover a wide range of subject areas and topics. You can find STEM information in that science, technology, engineering, and math. You can find nature environmental information. You can find historical information. You can find science information. You can find criminal justice information, et cetera. There's just a ton of great resources out there that you can utilize whenever you're talking about government information or you're trying to get other people interested. Okay. So we talked about the good things. Now, what are the bad things or the challenging things with government information that was also mentioned in Lori Gwynnett's article? The collection tends to be separated from the rest of the collection by one location away from the main stacks. It seems that making that crossover from one side of the building to the other side of the building can be very challenging to some people. I don't know why. It's just it's outside a range. They look different. It just seems to be challenging. The other problem tends to be the classification system. It's not the typical classification system that everybody is used to. It's a Pseudox system. So that makes it challenging when somebody's looking for something that's subject-focused and they have to go and translate it to an agency-focused document, which is not always the same, but that's where your government documents library comes in, where we can interpret and transfer that type of information. You can be very useful there and I just wish people would ask us more. Another problem is that government documents are not standard. They have a variety of formats. So whenever you're working with government documents, they don't all look like a book. That's why I love this picture. This is an aerialist. It's an air submarine. So it just doesn't quite fit into the norm because of that. There's a variety of formats. I mean, in our collection, we have puzzles. We have curriculums. We have pictures. We have the things that just doesn't quite fit a standard book on the shelf or something that's just digitized like a book on the shelf. And so sometimes it's very challenging. In addition, they don't fit the usual format sighting. So when somebody has to come in and use government documents for their research and they are having to cite it for their work, they have to do something outside of the typical citation format that they're used to doing. So all these things are definitely issues that we have to be aware of. And they're not all bad issues. It's not that they're bad or they're wrong. It's just that they're different. And so we know and we experience the subdoc librarians, these issues with people, and we understand, but that doesn't make the information and the collection any less valuable. You just have to go beyond that. But anyway, the next thing. Despite all how we feel about it and that we know the collection is wonderful and we know that we have some great things on there, here's the question. What can we do about it? What is it that we can do as government documents librarians to break and to change these issues? Now, I don't claim to be a guru. I don't claim to know every little thing that will work. That's what it is. It's about trial and error and learning as you go. There are some things we can do and there's some things that I have done here that have worked. We're going to go over now some suggestions on getting your collection noticed in all of the environments that I mentioned earlier. And remember, I talked about the campus environment, the classroom environment and the surrounding community environment. So we're going to go over some things that we can do to make this happen. Now, before we get started, realize I don't have a budget. So everything I'm telling you to do or I'm talking about that I have done is things that I have done without a budget are things that I have done by getting donations or things that I have done by partnering with other people. So these are all good things to do in addition to it. But I realize that that's one of the things I don't have and that's what I'm working with here. So anybody can do a lot of the stuff that I'm doing. Okay. Now, the first step I want to talk about is outreach on campus. That is the campus environment. Now, whenever I talk about on campus, I tend to add my library in when I'm addressing that campus environment. It's great that we have a government documents collection. But if they are not going into the stacks and they're not, because we have our government documents collection on the second floor of the library and it's one half of that floor, references on the other side with the reference collection. So if they're not coming from other places in the building and they're not crossing over and experiencing our collection or finding it using the catalog or things like that. So what are some things that we can do to get our collection noticed? What we have done is we put out the slate. So in this case, it's great that we have this collection, but if they're not going into the document stacks, then maybe we need to bring our collection out to them. And that's what we have done in this library. We have a flat display case. Here's an example of the one that Vicki Tate, my supervisor, has done. It looks great. We've got the Everglades poster. All these are government documents, by the way. So she created this display, which has the documents on display, holiday gift ideas from GPO from 2016. She has handouts, if you'll notice, for the people here passing by. And this is right across from the elevators on our side of the building. So people coming in and out of the elevator see this display. That's going to be very important. Now, when we do our displays, we talk about, I like to talk about different things. We have different themes as well. I'm trying to think outside the box in this regard. And so these are two other displays that we currently have up. These are the movie themes that I chose for the end of the semester. I have the one on the left is the street cat named Bob. And it's all about recovery from addictions. So in this display, what I've done, if you'll look closely, I have contacted a couple of agencies, and I got these free handouts for the students. So that's available that they can take with them at that very moment. In addition, I have a sign describing what the whole theme of the display is, which is recovery from addictions. And I have the poster from a street cat named Bob. I don't have a color printer in my office, but I go over to reference, and they're wonderful about printing off-color images for me. And so the whole theme of that box talks about recovery from addiction. And these are government documents we actually have in our collection. The one on the right is the other display that I have up right now. It's the ballad Okinawa based on the movie Hacksaw Ridge. So we actually had a map of Okinawa. So put that up. We had a poster, a smaller poster display. The book is a government document that talks about the actual battle of Okinawa from Hacksaw Ridge time area. And in the display box, you'll see that we had a lithograph that was in our collection that I put back there describing the battle and also government documents. And I also have the gentleman who the movie is about, is right there receiving the Medal of Honor. That's a color printout from the Internet. So I just looked him up, and that was the image from the U.S. government at the Library of Congress. So I just printed that out and placed it there to feature that whole box. So all that was easily done, a collection that I went out into the stacks, pulled the stuff off the shelf, and put that out for students to see. Another display that we have is events. This is Vicky's display from the oil spill and marine life in the Gulf of Mexico. We have this oil spill, as you know, here in the area. And that's what this display is. You can kind of give an idea of how it's arranged, how she does things. It looks very nice and clean. These are really important things. She also had a handout for this for the students because it affected us locally. I have some display tips for the boxes, and we'll go through it real quick. Find at least one dedicated area in your collection or in your library near the entrance, exit, or bathroom. The goal is to put it where they're going to see it. If they are walking by it, that's fine, but watch and see. There's not a lot of foot traffic where you have the display. You need to move it. It just doesn't do any good to have something in a corner where nobody will see it. Update displays on the schedule. We update all displays to at least 10 times a year. I update because I have two boxes. I do 20 because of the two different boxes. But make sure you have all your displays updated. People get bored pretty quickly seeing the same thing. So rotate them out. Have a schedule. Think ahead. It makes a difference. Glass display cases are wonderful. We already had the flat box that DQ uses when I first started working here at South Alabama. But the other two standing display cases, I found at Property. I didn't pay a cent for them. I went over to Property and looked at to see what they had, and it used to be in the bookstore. And I asked them if they would send them over. They sent them over, and they've worked wonderfully in promoting government documents to the campus community. Color catches eyes.  I'm not saying don't use white documents, and I'm not saying don't use tan documents. I'm just saying don't have a box full of that. It won't catch the eye of those walking by. So make sure you mix up your media in the box. Name your display. Print it out and have it with display. I have a template of a display name, and every display I have has a name. You know what you're talking about when you have it. Have subject guides. For example, why would you want to do that? Well, EH102 students come here all the time to research their projects or needing an annotated bibliography. What a great primary resource to have right at hand for them to use as they're on the way to the reference test. So they can, and our display boxes are on their way. So they pass by our display boxes on the way to the reference test. So they can have a ready resource if they're trying to find a good topic you've provided up for them. So things like that can be very, very, very helpful. Have a theme. I try to have a theme with everything, historical events, current popular movies, important people, et cetera. Whenever the Supreme Court justice passed away recently, I had a box about the Supreme Court justice. Just think about things that will affect you locally and have things ready to, like ideas. Some things I want to do in the future. There's government documents for everything, just about. People have asked me, do I have a hard time finding information to match up with events or to match up with movies? And I really haven't ever had a problem. You just have to be aware of that subject-agency difference. If you're aware of that difference and you know how to look the stuff up, which government documents I've reviewed, then you can utilize this collection and bring it out and let people know it's there or know what important pieces are there. The other thing that we have in our library, which is wonderful and not everybody can have this, but we very fortunately have our own website and our own LiveGuides. These are great resources. Now you're going to go, why would this matter for outreach and why would this matter for reaching out to the community? I want to get into that a little bit. The website shows that we are legit. We have a presence and so whenever somebody wants to know, well, what can you tell me more about government documents? I have a website I can give them. And I can say, here you go. This is our collection. This is what we have. It has our contact information. It has how they can reach us. It has our specialties. It has all of that right here, which is wonderful. And in addition, we'll go into LiveGuides and how they can be helpful for outreach. They can really make a difference. Now, our website, again, you can see our URL down there. You're going to see the elements of our website and constructing it, making it useful for people to use. One of the things we have is a featured topic section that we change out at least 10 times a year. I like to base it on the displays. I'm not always consistent with that. Sometimes I deviate, but I'd like to do that as much as I can. In this case, this is the one up right now, and that's about with Okanawa featured topic. I usually have a snippet of information. This is what I got from the National Archives recently. And then if you want to know more, and I'll have three bullet points. We have a batter department section, so whenever somebody wants to contact one of us about resources that it's right there, we have a reference section which is government documents only, so it's quick reference. We have a resources section, and we have a subject area section that covers a variety of subjects. One of the things I'm trying to do is getting live guides or getting subject area sections to match up with the different colleges on campus. I saw that in another webinar, and I thought that was really nice. I'm in the process of that. It's going to take me a lot of time, but it's something to work on to help connect the campus to the collection. And that's what I want to do. I want to connect the campus to the collection, the government document collection specifically, because that's my job. So that's what I'm working for. And that's one avenue that I'm trying. Now, one of the things we have is topic guides. And I'll tell you why go topic guides in creating topic guides is really great for outreach. You're going to go, why? What does it matter? It really does help. Topic guides, you can do a variety of things, but it connects you to the community. And it connects you to the surrounding community in a very unique way. Now, whenever you create topic guides, these are guides based on the events, just like the display cases. They're based on the events, something locally, something important, something that your community would be interested in. That is what's great about these topic guides. So when we get to our topic guides here at the library, I would like to tell you that the best topic guides, the topic guides to get the most hits, the most attention are business live guides and environmental topic guides and academic topic guides that are very popular. I would like to tell you those are the most popular topic guides we have. However, this is not the case. These are the, with our last, we do, we keep track of everything that people get hits on and access to in our live guides, and these are the top live guides from this last year, I mean this last month. Instead of doing the academic and high level ones, we get GovDocs, Trail of Tears. We've gotten GovDocs infectious diseases. Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley is always in the top group of our topic guides that people use a lot. Hurricanes that have impacted Alabama, especially during hurricane season down here. Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is one that we've been, people have been accessing lately. I think that one, at the Mobile Public Library, and we have a great relationship with the Mobile Public Library, their librarian called me the other day, well, a month ago, and asked me if we had anything about Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, and I told her we already had this great live guide, and I sent the link to her, and she's been using it, so I think, and sharing it with the community, so I think that's how that one has gotten top hits this month. Tuskegee Airmen always gets good hits, because it is a great live guide. These are great resources, and they're all government documents, so it's a great way to connect with, not only your surrounding community, but your academic community, everybody. It's just a great way of showing how good government documents can be for research. There's the Cuba and the Cuban Relationship, the Rosa Parks look guide. These are guides that always get a lot of attention, especially every time there's an event or something pertaining to Rosa Parks that gets quite a bit of attention. Topic guide tips. Whenever you're creating a topic guide, you need to connect your topic guides to your display. This is where it's a challenge. I have some topic guides connected to my displays, but because I'm doing 20 displays a year, at least, I can't make that many topic guides, and they be quality topic guides with valuable resources. I'm just not capable of making that many web guides Now, if you only have one display that you do a month, then it's certainly feasible, but if you have multiple displays like we do in this case, I just can't keep up. I would love to be able to keep up, but I just can't. And this is one of the things that, unfortunately, is not working out. I'm not quite sure what I could do about it at this point, but it's just one of those things. The next thing is something related to your community. Historical events are local interests. I live in Mobile, Alabama, so we have a lot of history that has happened down in this area. With that in mind, you can create live guides pertaining to topic guides, not live guides for me here, but topic guides pertaining to that local community event. And then, once you create that guide, you can share that guide with people that are hosting that event in your community. See? You see how you can make a connection. You have to have the resource to make that connection to the community and bring in that interest, but these are just something things that you can do. Another thing is think about your audience. Who are you creating the guide for? I made guides for senior citizens. Whenever I do guides for senior citizens, I keep it simple, and I think about their need or guide it toward their need. We recently made, we went to Port Creek Indians to visit them and to do a webinar, not a webinar, but did a presentation pertaining to stroke awareness, and we made a live guide for them, and we showed these sort of resources. So we simplified it and made it available for them. We just didn't make it complicated, easy for them to use, click-friendly, not too many levels, basic stuff designed for them. So just think about your audience. The more information you have, the more you need to break it up. For example, if you go to our CUBA and CUBE Relations Lift Guide, we have multiple tabs. We have a home tab, historical tab, gluttona tab, fidocastro tab, we recently passed away, rawcastro tab, and CUBE missile crisis. And then number five, try to think ahead when you make them. I have people in the community asking me for guides we have anticipated. For example, God Doc's Emancipation Proclamation. If somebody contacts me and they want more information about Emancipation Proclamation, I have this guide ready for anyone researching this topic. So I can immediately grab that and send it to them. So these things go across the board on the campus, students needing research. So you see what I mean whenever it's great for campus. In addition to outreach on campus, I share hours at the reference desk with the other librarians. Now if they need a primary resource for their topic, now we've gotten them coming across, coming through government documents. They can see our subject guides and our boxes that we have, the glass cases we have on the floor, promoting government documents. And then if they keep coming through, and I happen to be sitting at that government documents reference desk, I mean I'm sorry, we used to have God Doc's reference desk. As you see me sitting at that reference desk, whenever they need information, and they're asking for some primary resources, I'm going to show them government documents that are available, as well as the book stacks. So I'm going to look for specifically a government document that they can use to do their research. This is another way of bringing them over there into the collection and letting them see what we actually have available. Now outreach in the classroom is a different way of communicating. Whenever I do outreach in the classroom, when I'm teaching any sort of special or unique information literacy class, and I can build my own curriculum from the class, I will use government documents as my example. For example, I may be teaching about some aspect of nature, but I will be sure to add something about the National Park Service and their website. And I will also use those resources. So I use government documents in everything I teach. So if I'm showing anybody anything, I am making sure that I talk about government documents to some degree. Either I'm showing it to the most example on the screen, saying about, you know, what I do, something, so that they're aware that we have this collection. And also the classroom group is a little different. It's not like the other places where it's one-on-one or out of the campus or around the campus. This is the captive audience of like 30 or so people usually. So this is a great group to keep informed and to teach them about what we have. Another thing without reaching the classroom is EH-1 of two classes. I teach EH-1 of two classes with the other reference librarians here at my library. And I make sure that they know my name and my job title. I make sure they know that we are an FDLP and what that means. And if they need help finding any government information, they can contact me. Now, you might think that's a waste of time, but it's not, I mean, it doesn't happen all the time, but I do have students asking me questions after my presentation or after the EH-1 of two classes. I recently had one student ask me if there was a way that we could find out the rules and laws and regulations on preventing gamers from other countries to come into the United States to do their games. And we looked that up right there in the EH-1 of two classrooms and immediately they were able to find that information. So there's a value to doing that and keeping them informed and sharing that information as well. Also, remember, there are 30 some of students in the EH-1 of two classes. There's 30 people who knew about government documents and the government document collection that did not know about it before. So you've got your class of audience. Now, there's some things that you can try that just don't work out. And here's one of my sad stories. I wish I had worked out. I worked really hard on this, but this happened about five or six years ago now. I tried to do the Money Smart program in the library for the students. I contacted local banks. I put out flyers all around campus, and I shared the information any way I could on Facebook and all kinds of places. Did all this work, but nobody showed up? Yeah, I was disappointed. I think I had a couple of faculty members show up to a couple of the sessions. I just, it wasn't good. And then the last session that I had actually had a bank hosting it, the lady showed up. She had money to give the students and snacks to give the students. She came in. She was ready to teach these students. She had snacks. She had cash. She had all kinds of great free stuff for them, but not a single student showed up. I was embarrassed. Learned, though. What did I do wrong? So here is one of the things. First, you have to have faculty buy-in when you're creating a class like this. If they offer extra credit for attending, it's even better. So I learned that I need to partner with faculty when I'm doing something like this. The students are just not going to show up. They're very busy. They work very hard with school and work. We are commuting college, and so it's hard to get people, but I didn't know that. It's a learning experience. My timing was not good. I tried to make it a lunch and learn, but they choose the food court over me. I wonder why. I completely understand that. I just didn't fully comprehend that at the time. Sometimes the timing is just not the best. It could be the end of the semester, the beginning of the semester. You just don't know. So whenever you want to do a class or something on campus, design your own government documents instruction class, just put those things into consideration. I think the biggest thing for me was faculty buy-in. If I can get a faculty member to partner with me to invite me to come and talk to their class, so it just works out so much better than me trying to host my own classes and teach my own classes. It just turns out to be a better experience. Yeah, that part was short. Now we're going to outreach to the community, which is a whole other can of worms. It's completely different. Now, you can outreach in the community in so many different ways. I've talked about some of them. You can use the topic guides. You can use the website. You can use live guides and share with the community. You can do all kinds of things. You can pay attention to the events going on the community. You can contact those people. There are types of things that you can do. But one of the things you need to know when you're outreaching into the community is that, yes, we have the information and the means to access the information. However, the community must fill a part of the collection for them to use the collection or to know the value of the collection. They need to know the collection is available and how to access that information. There's all kinds of ways to do that, but I'll tell you, presentations are the best way that I've seen. You get the largest amount of people informed about resources at the shortest amount of time. And it's what I'd like to do in the community and these are some things that I'm talking about next is presentation practices. Now, whenever we're talking about the community, I have to say that it's not... the community is not one thing. Whenever you're working with the community, you have to think about the groups you're dealing with. You're dealing with public librarians, which is one of my communities. I'm dealing with the community who is aware of the collection and then the community who is unaware of the collection. Now, I can easily do a webinar on each one of those, but today let's just talk about some overviews of things that I do in regards to presentation practices that I do for all of the groups of the community. Okay, tips for presentations, for presenters. Number one, building a relationship. Network, network, network. Network is so important. Whenever you're going out to an event, collect business cards. Whenever you are going someplace or you've gone to somewhere that's library-related or that's community-related, collect the business cards and email these people. Let them know that you're available. Communicate. Let them know that you're here, that you have things available. Just talk to people. Build that relationship. Number two, offer something they need. With Mobile Public Library, that's one of my groups that I communicate with and I do training with, they needed recently this past year help with the census. They wanted to have their librarians familiar with the U.S. census. So I talked to them and I said, hey, I can teach your class, your librarians about the U.S. census, how to use it, because it's always changing. So I can bring in a class and I can inform you on how to use the census. And then I let them know that the training was free. So that's always a big plus. You let them know the training is free. Whenever I said that, they were like, oh, yeah, come on in. Come on in.  Even with free training, if you do a good job, you know, they're going to ask you back. Because sometimes even if it's free, it's not quality. And so we'll get into that a little bit. But let them know the training is free. Number four, offer prizes for those to attend. Again, I don't have a budget. So what I do is that all the conventions, the ALLA convention and this, I'm a member of the Southeastern Library Association. So at the Southeastern Library Association convention and any other events, I collect those handouts and those treaties that they give you at these conventions. And I put those things together and I make a little bit of a bag of goodies. And I offer those prizes for those to attend. It's maybe not the best thing possible, but it's what I have. It's what I do. And they love them. It's incentive. So whenever we're doing an active learning activity, and we'll talk a little bit about that in my presentation, it's incentive for them to go and pay attention. Not that they will do it anyway, but it's incentive. And prizes are often a good, good way of doing it. I've gotten donations from the community. I've gotten all kinds of different things like that. So there's all kinds of things that you can do to get prizes for the people who attend your sessions, especially, and everybody likes something for free. So this is a way that really helps out. Be professional. You are providing free training, but treat it as if they paid you to come and speak. That's really, really important. Do the best job you can. I'm not expecting less, but I tried really hard to be articulate and to do my research and be ready and available for them. Remember, you are the expert. They are looking for you to answer their questions. Make notes of your audience and their needs. Modify the presentation to meet their needs. Also, whenever you're doing these presentations, learn from them. So you're not going to have a perfect, right out of the get-go, like your first presentation pertaining to this topic may not be the best one. But look at your audience. Pay attention to your audience and learn from them. Learn what you can use there. Another thing for presenting is have a lesson plan. I would like to thank Jason Ezell for letting me copy his template for his lesson plan. He was a great, great use. He's at another library now, but he was wonderful in helping me understand how to lay out a lesson plan. And then another librarian here named Angela, she taught me about use of GANs, nine events, and here's a list of those. These are, I'm not going to read everyone, but these are things that you need to think about whenever you're creating your curriculum for your class so that it will be a quality presentation. Planning ahead is everything for these presentations. I have a curriculum and a lesson plan for this presentation right now that I'm constantly referring to to make sure that I'm on track. So using lesson plans, developing your stuff in advance is a wonderful thing to do. Plan ahead, plan ahead, plan ahead. It will really, really pay off whenever you're talking with everybody and doing the actual presentation. Tips for the presentation. What's on the screen? I know I'm getting a little detail specific, but these are some things that I've tried that have really worked. They make a difference and people follow me and stay with me through the presentation. I don't lose my audience when I do these little tips and tricks. Color and arrangement. Try to never have a basic black and white slide in your presentation. Use color to draw the eye toward key points in the presentation. Also, break up the arrangement of the slide. You can put words on the left side and then the right side or tilt the images to add interest. I've done the exact same thing I'm talking about. I've switched sides. I've added some interest. Whenever I colored the words on the slide, I was able to draw your eye to the certain things. These things are very important when you're doing a presentation. Here's another thing that I do. I use Google Flies to make all of my presentations. While the place you work might have the latest and greatest of the various software, most places you go will not. Google Flies is the best all around. I've also emailed myself a copy, saved a copy to a flystripe, and printed out a copy. The rule of three, I always have three resources available. I have had time when Google Flies does not work great. Instead, I've gone through the PowerPoint presentation that you can download from Google Flies. Having the different versions is a great thing. Another thing is that your institution may already have a format provided for you to follow. Make sure you check the official guidelines. As you can see at the beginning of this presentation, I had that screen introduction that's following our guidelines, and I have USA at the bottom right corner that's then following with our guidelines. Prepare lesson plan in advance. This is what I have been talking about. It helps to keep you on track when you're doing the session. You can also try to line up the lesson plan with your slides. So the lesson plan is numbered like that. If you wanted a copy of one of my lesson plans, and again, I'd like to thank Jason, for sending me an email. And I will quietly do that. It is an Instagram world right now, and a picture is worth a thousand words. Use images to help your presentation. There are great places to get the stuff for free. The Library of Congress, the United Kingdom of National Archives, the Flickr Commons, these are great places that have these free images. So they help make your presentation unique. It gives variants. It gives depth. It helps you with the words you're saying. It really makes a difference. During your presentation, make eye contact. It's a really big thing. Look at people, communicate with them. Whenever they ask you a question, look at them. Number two, let people ask you questions during the presentation, but do not let them steal your time. If it takes you longer than 30 seconds to answer the question, then tell them you will need them after the class. This has happened over and over and over again, and that 30-second rule is great to follow. Add a learning activity to your presentation. That means active learning activity. Try to make it fun and interesting. With the census class, I tried to find the weirdest census information possible, and then I would make a game out of that for the librarians to try and find that information. And then when they found it, they giggled, because I would find towns that had three people in it, or I would have towns with unique demographics in the census class. It really does help. Hint up about a follow-up activity. Now, I have to thank another librarian here who taught me about follow-ups. What you can do is have two classes. You can have your initial class, which would be the census, but then the census has multi-layers. Like, there can be a more intensive, more researching-specific class that you can call a follow-up. You can come back and teach the same group of people if they want to know how to use even more census information and how to control the data a bit differently. That has worked really, really well, and you start building a relationship with them. That's really, really important, building that relationship. Get out from behind the podium. Don't be stuck behind the podium if you can walk amongst the people and talk to them. Whenever they're doing their learning activity, I don't stay in the front. I walk around. I'm available to help them because I'm the instructor at this moment. I get out there and I look and I ask them questions and I see what they're struggling with, and I remember that information so that when I do this presentation again, it's something I'm going to address. Encourage people to attend, attending to work together. I have had people do activities and to do the presentations and to do everything by themselves. And I've had them do them in a group, like group together with two or three people and then every time, if I get them to do it in a group, they remember. If I get them there individually, they don't retain it as well as if they do it with three other two or three other people. So encouraging the people to work together is a wonderful thing. And then incorporating those prizes into the lesson. So if they complete the lesson, if they're the first one to complete the lesson, if they're the last one to complete the lesson, if they were the first one to answer the question, all of that is very, very useful and helpful. Now, after the presentation, have a survey for them to fill out. We have a survey. If you want an example of it, I can send it to you. There's no time for me to go over a survey as a whole other class. But we can, we provide the survey for them to fill out so that they know, we can be informed and learn what's going on. Give time for them to ask questions about what you just taught them. So stay afterward and answer their questions. Sometimes it's 30 minutes, sometimes it's 45 minutes. If you do your job right, they will ask you at least two or three questions by the end of it because they want to know more. They were interested and they were captivated. Pay attention to the questions they ask. If it's important, make sure to address it in the follow-up sessions. That's another great thing about follow-up sessions is that if it's really important and everybody had a hard time with it, then that follow-up, you can address it and not leave them hanging. They've learned it. You can make sure they've learned that lesson. Do not leave right after your presentation. Take time to talk to the people who attended the class and spend time to talk to the host. It's imperative that you work on that relationship with the people that are there. They were nice enough to have you there. Yes, it was free, but they paid the light bill. They provided the facilities. They kicked out community people at the public library. They asked they closed off a special room. They had to put forth effort as well. So make sure you take time to talk to that host and let them know you appreciate what they did and that you're willing to come back and do more. Also do a quick glance of the survey results with the host while you're there and talk about future planning. The best time to plan the next session that you're going to do for them because you want to be a returning presenter. To do that, go ahead and introduce the idea. Say, hey, what can we do in six months? What is something that your people are interested in doing? You can build that relationship right there at that moment. Also follow-up with an email. I don't have that up here, but follow-up with an email and let them know that you appreciated having you there and start planning that next session. If you'd like more information, please feel free to contact me. It's Paula L. Webb, a government documents reference and outreach librarian at the Marks Library at the University of South Alabama. This is my number,<PHONE_NUMBER>, and it's pweb at southalabama.edu. And thank you for your time. Thank you.


Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our first Q&A via Zoom for new members in February. This is something that we have twice a month for new and not so new members, just anyone who wants to look at the profiles that they're working on in real time and get some help and suggestions. My name is Betsy Coe and I've been a wiki tree for about four years now. And like many people, I stumbled onto wiki tree through a Google search on an ancestor that I was running and the ancestor had a wiki tree profile and I was really intrigued because I was a little puzzled by this ancestor and there was a research note on her profile and I thought, wow, that's really thoughtful. And so I went ahead and joined and then realized that there was kind of a steep learning curve for navigating how to create profiles and build things out. So I sort of went in fits and spurts. For me, watching the Saturday Roundup livecast was a really great inspiration because of the way profiles are shown and you get to see like, oh, it's possible to do this or that and then ask questions and then experiment on your own. And very happily, I have become one of the hosts of the Saturday Roundup livecast a little over a year ago. It really has a special place in my heart because it's how I started feeling connected to the community. Where I spend time at wiki tree is several projects, Wales, England, Scotland, Canada and the global project. I'm now heading up the Taiwan project and I'm also a mentor and I help run events. So when it's thaw and time, you'll see my name around a lot and I've run the rock challenge and Stephen, Stephen is one of our five people who's getting rocked this month. So exciting stuff. And so with me tonight, I have Murray Maloney. Can you introduce yourself, Murray? Actually I did to almost everybody here except for Paul. So I'm a retired technical writer and I've been working on wiki tree for the last four years and I've been helping by writing some of the documentation for the wiki tree browser extension and for the fan chart and for the forthcoming super tree that Greg Clark is working on, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been working on my tree and learning a lot about who my ancestors were, which has been fun. And my connection count is up to 1350, I think it is now. Wow. So yeah, I jumped quite a bit recently. Do you know why? Do you know how it happened? I just keep plugging away and adding people. Oh, okay. It's okay. Good. Cousins and aunts and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing more exciting than tapping in, making one connection that gives you a big... Yeah. Yeah. I don't get many of those anymore. Yeah. Right. Usually when that happens, when that connection happens, it's passed by seven. Oh, sure. Yeah. It's more like 11 or 12 or 13, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's me. That's me in a nutshell. Okay. All right. So I've introduced yourself to everyone here, but remember, we've got people who are watching us. We've got our viewers. Yes. Yeah. So thank you and welcome to everyone who's joining us asynchronously. Yeah. Yeah. What do I do with my glasses? Let's see. So let's... I did want to go over tags and hopefully this might be helpful for somebody. I'm going to share my screen. I'll just use my profile as an example. Okay. So can you give me a thumbs up? Everybody seeing my screen? Great. Yeah. Great. Yes. So you've got your bio down here, which when you edit, that will take you to this part of the biography. Of course, you can adjust your birthplace or date, that sort of thing. And what I feel is often overlooked is this section up at the top that's got a gray background. And that is its own section. And this is where you see your badges. You can send a little sort of a headline like, this is who I am. This is what I do. And then very important in this smaller box to the left is your tags, whether you've tested for DNA. And then just... This is automatically generated on the surnames where you've done the most work in 2024. So you don't have to worry about this part here. But what I want to look at is the tags because what this will do is it will customize what you see when you go to G2G. So there are two ways that you can either directly edit there or you can edit the whole thing up in the upper right-hand corner. There's another edit bar. So I'm just going to be direct about it. And so you do have a 20 tag limit here. So I've gotten to the point I think I think I'm at 20. And so, you know, if there's something I really, really want to follow, I have to make some hard choices. But when you go to add a tag, let's see, am I at 20? So oh, I'm at 19. Let's see. What could I add? How about wiki tree plus? Is that a tag? Murray, do you know if that's a tag, wiki tree? There should be. You're muted. I don't know when it's not one that I use, but it'll tell you if you... You'll need to put it... Oh, see it's giving you a list. It's suggesting things. For example, you're on the we will rock you list, aren't you? I'm already following that one. Let me... You have to put an underscore between the two words, like the other ones? Yes. Oh, maybe so. And then you are required, but don't feel like you have to write a novel here interested in learning more. And then we're going to enter the new tag. I sort of feel like wiki tree plus has to be a tag. So now when I go to G to G, you can see some of my tags here. I'm going to switch over to my G to G feed. So that is, it tells me again, up at the top, what I should refresh this because I just added a tag. Okay. There's my wiki tree plus. I just added it and that tailors what I am going to see here. So it's really a good, I mean, there's so much activity on G to G that's really helpful to be able to focus and drill down a little bit. So you can see I'm seeing this one because I follow Scotland and et cetera. Now if I say I'm interested in seeing, well, what is everything that has been shown for wiki written for wiki tree love in the last week, I can click on that and it's going to pull out chronologically all of the wiki tree love posts because when you put a post on G to G, you really want to tag it as specifically as possible so that it gets to the eyes of people who are most likely able to help you. So yeah. Good advice. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's my quick little beginner tidbit and now we did have, we wanted to see how to load a picture. The images. Yeah. Yeah. And Murray, I'm going to do one and you're going to do one. Sure. Sure. Okay. Now if I go to, well, I'll just go to my profile again. I'm going to load a picture of my grandmother so to find her quickly, there she is. Okay. So you want to go to images. Make sure that you have the photo say, you know, sort of queued up and ready to go on your desktop. And I'm going to click, click here to upload it. Now I'm going to choose the file and then select it. This is the next field is required. This was a photo that was passed along to me from my aunt. So I'm going to say it was scanned from family photo collection. This seems to be a good point to address. What if I see a great picture on ancestry, you know, some, some like fourth cousin of mine has this picture and I really, really want to use it and you can't, although on ancestry, it is people do, you know, just, oh, I'll state that picture in that picture. You can't just download it and use it on wiki tree. You do want to send a message to the person and ask for permission. So I just sort of, I have a, like a standard message that I send people. I explain that I'm working on their, their, our shared ancestors profile. I give them the link. I say, would you mind if I use this photo? And if they respond, I've never had anyone say no.  And importantly, you want to, you want to mention that in this comment section. So if you, if you receive the picture from someone, you want to give them credit for having given you the picture and an acknowledge that they gave you granted you permission to, to display it here on wiki tree. Yeah, yeah, excellent point, Murray. And so what I would say is granted permission to use this photo by Joe Smith ancestry user on, you know, the date of our message exchange. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you can title it whatever you want. So my grandmother's nickname was Babs Babs read. And this photo was from before she was married. So she was at work as a nurse. This was at polyclinic hospital in New York. You know, actually this would just be like any other location that should be New York. No. Okay. New York, New York City. Maybe I'll put that in the polyclinic hospital. Okay. And the dates, I'm certain, I'm certain it was New York City. The date, I'm less certain. I'm going to say it's 1927. She arrived in 26. She was married in 28. So there we go. I'll say it's approximate. It's a photo of her. Now, if you were, say, uploading a photo or screenshot of an obituary or newspaper clipping or some kind of document, then you would select, select source. So, okay, but it is a photo. Now we're going to upload it. And there we have it. Now she's, she's the, I don't know who the other two friends are in this photo. So, but if I did say it was a family shot where I knew who, who everybody was, I could add them. I could tag them so that I don't have to upload the photo, you know, for as many people as are in the photo. I can just tag everybody once. And then it'll appear on their photos too. So there's everything I've entered. There's my, my description. So if I wanted to set this as her profile image, your main profile image, I could, I don't want to, but if there are no other images on a profile, sometimes this is automatic. And if you don't want it, you have to go back and undo it. But that would all happen here. If you wanted to make a photo, a background image, you could do that here. I suppose if, if you had a landscape or artwork by your ancestor, that might, that might be good. Now here's how you could put the image inside the text of your biography. Okay. All you're going to, everything's all done for you. You're going to just copy this. I put it on my clipboard. And now I'm going to go back. Yeah. Yeah. Murray, did you say something? Oh, no, nothing. Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm back on her profile. I'll go to edits. Now I have a little work to do on her biography, but let's see. Yeah. Boy, do I have a work to do. I've done my grandfather's profile, but I really, I need to do a better job here. So I'm going to say she emigrated to the United States in 1926 and worked as a nurse at Polyclinic Hospital in New York City. Here she is enjoying a lighthearted moment with work friends, colleagues. You've got new city instead of New York City. Thank you. Okay. So then I would just, there's the text that I copied from the other page. So now I can say that I have improved the bio and I'm going to do a full save. Oh, slow, slow. Okay. And there it is. So it titled it with the title that I gave to the image. And you will still, you will still see it both within the biotechs as well as along the side, but yeah. Now if you knew that each of the people in the pictures, could you highlight your cursor over it and would it tell them who's who? If you'd hang out. Oh, kind of like Instagram. Yeah. I don't. No, our WikiTree doesn't work that way. Okay. I didn't think so, but I thought that's good. Yeah. Right. But you can put text over the image so that when you hover over the image, it might name babs and it might name them in order. If you might be able to read that text if you put it in there. So I'll demonstrate that to you in a moment. That would be great. I would love to see that.  Let's see what I want to share. It's always hard figuring this out what you should select. Okay. So I think this is what I need to do and share. All right. So are you seeing? Yep. You are seeing that. Your image archive. Yeah. So I do think, I do things a little bit differently than what Betsy just did and I want to demonstrate to you a little trick that you can use. This is my image archive. So I keep a space page and I just add images here. And the advantage to that is that if I put them on this page, if I add them to my image list on this page, then when I go to add them onto a profile, they don't show up on the list on the right hand side. They're just not even there. Okay. So as a result, if you want a profile that's really clean and has all of its images separate from, you know, so that right column is clean, then you can put them in a separate space page. Now you might do what I've done here, which is to just keep one archive page, or you might have an ancestor for whom you have a lot of images. And for that person, you want to have their collection of images all in one space page. And you know what? You can create as many space pages as you want. So go ahead. As long as there's something that you can use, you know, it's useful to you, you can go ahead and create it. So if you create a space page for your grandmother, let's say, because you have a lot of images of your grandmother, then you can just create, add all these images to that page. And then where you want to place them in her profile, you just place them. So I'm going to show you now. Uh, we're going to add all the images. There we go. And click here to upload an image. Clean shots. Murray, can I ask a question? Yep. Um, okay, up there it says it has to be 10 megabytes or less. I don't know if I really know how to figure that out. Um, photo?  It's not a huge. I have an iPad and I don't think it says like it does on the PC. Oh, okay. You know, I suspect that if you have an iPad and you've got an image on your iPad that you're going to add, it's probably not too big.  If it was too big, it'll tell you. Okay. They haven't kicked any off yet. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I think it's unlikely that you're going to run into any 10 megabyte images. Okay. I have to say I never noticed that little bit of this, the text. So I think, I think it's probably a wide margin to reach that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to click on this image now that I want to bring in. And what I did was like, I copied this from an app. And I'll show you that app in a moment. But here's my image. And this is a, dates and locations are irrelevant. And this is not a photo of me. It is a source. So now I'm going to upload the image. Okay. So now we have this bit of my family tree that I can now slide down here and grab. Now where Betsy grabbed the upper text, I'm going to grab this one. Okay. And I'm going to copy that. And I'm going to go to my profile. So here's my profile. And I'm going to collapse the table of contents. So now you can see the top of my biography and about me. And we're going to put this tree right after the advanced directive. Okay. So I'm going to go to edit. So let me follow that. There we go. So now I'm going to paste that in. So what it put in, it says there's an image that I want here. And it's in this file. Marie Maloney image archive. And it's number 14. And it says align it right. Not left, not center, but right. And make it medium. No, I don't want it medium. I want it large. And there's a difference if I use an L or if I type out large. So I'm going to type out large. So now for my caption, I'm going to say Maloney family tree. Whoops. And then I'm going to add something. The label. Oops. Okay. Now for the label, I'm going to say Marie. Maloney's family tree. Period. Parents. Names. Marie. And Helen. Okay. You get the point. So now I'm going to save this. The wrong place. Come down here. And I'm going to say I added. I did a bio improvement. And I'm going to do a full save. Right. Now let's go look to see what happened. So there it is. And look at that. I goofed. Okay. Then that's why the that's why the tan and color is underneath it like that. I goofed. I should have done something and I'll go back and do it in a minute. But you can see the images there. And you can see it's got a caption Maloney family tree. But now if I hover the mouse over it, a little box pops up. And what I put in the label appears. And if and if you if you read the documentation for the web browser extension or the fan chart, then you'll notice I do the same thing there. And I always add extra information so that if you hover over an image, you're going to learn more. So that's just a little trick. Now, now I'm going to show you the goof that I made. Okay. If that's all right. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Now the goof that I made was that I didn't tell the wiki that okay, I'm finished with the image. And I don't I don't need. I don't need you to treat it. Treat it that area special anymore. And so what happened was the heading for research notes. It grew to to to encompass part of the image because that because that heading didn't know that it wasn't supposed to be part of the image. Okay. And so what I did was here I is I added clear. And that so once you've done it, once you've done your images, you can you can do a clear. Now what you also can do by the way is, you know, when you say left or right, then there's going to be space on either side or on one side or the other. Okay. And you can you can add text. Here's my text to describe my tree. Okay. So let's preview that and see what happened. Oh, oh, see, it popped it after it because it didn't have space in the preview. So but but probably in the full one it will. So let's go that another bio improvement and we'll save that. Oh, no, it still didn't have room. Because because the image was large enough that it felt filled in that space. So now is it all right if I show that app? Sure. Yeah. So this is an app that will be coming coming soon. You'll be able to see the super big family tree. Yeah. And it's going to be renamed to super tree. Super tree. I love that. But but but Greg and I still call it the super big family tree. Anyway, so here's the here's the tree. This is this is basically how it looks when you start. And then you can grow it. And now how do I I've got this list of list of images on my right-hand side and I can't see part of my screen. How do I how do I move that? Oh, just sort of drag it down to the bottom. Just just sort of. Okay, got it. Got it. Okay. Super. All right. So oh, perfect. But it fits itself. So let's let's go up a generation. Okay. So it did it. Now I'm going to go over here and then this is the resize. And there's three sizes I can go. Okay. And that's whoops. So I see I've gone up an extra generation and I can do it again. And you customized all the colors, Mary. So well, I mean, so what we did was so I just wasn't happy with the set of colors that were coming up. And and so Greg and I worked out a color scheme. And I don't think we've I don't think we're finished with it yet. But basically, I wanted the male side to be more blue and the and the female side to be more pink. Okay. Basically, we're going to come down to the, you know, the parents are blue and pink. Okay. So my parents and my father's blue and my mother's pink. And and then we wanted a mix of other colors, of course, to lean, you know, come down to that. And same on that on this side, right? We have to refine it a little bit. But but we're working on that. So so then, of course, you can also go down and you can also set up a lot of things.  And the places and and which colors you want to use. And you can do things like. Oh, no. Yeah, it's not there yet. Sorry. So there'll be there'll be there'll be highlighting things tricks to to do here right now. It's only alive on this day in biography text. But anyway, this will be this will be a long soon. There's just some some details that have to be worked out with the changes in the API recently about privacy. And in the in the. And Greg just hasn't caught up yet to those changes and that the changes happened just as he was about to release it. But but now he's got to make some modifications. So so you can click on somebody. And you can see more about them. And then if you click on that, you'll go to go to there. You'll open a new profile. And and you can also jump to see them in a fan chart or see their descendants list or to see this person in a tree like this one. Can you take a shot of the tree there also? Sorry, say again. Can you take a screenshot of the tree to them? Like you paste it into your. Yeah, exactly. Well, that that's exactly how I did. I took a screenshot of this. But there's also this really cool. Let me just see if that's working yet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're still so we're still working out making this work quite right. Can't get the whole tree in. But we're but he's working on that. And that should be that should be there soon. And so so theoretically, you would be able to print a tree that you have seven generations up and seven generations down. And then the real trick there is to be able to send that to a printer that would print it big enough so you'd actually be able to read anything. Right. Because if you put it if you put it on a regular sheet of paper, it's just going to be all too small, right? So you'd have to you have to put it on a really big printer. And then that's part of what what he's trying to figure out too is how do you create a file that you can send to a commercial printer to print on a on a large enough sheet?  Kind of thing. Anyway, so enough of that. I am going to while you're still there. Marie. Sorry. Yeah. Can you drag that around? Like, OK, now down on the bottom. Yeah. That's what my iPad does and it doesn't go away. What? Oh, the trails. Yeah. Yeah, I know. So, so on this particular app and on the also on the fan chart, if you go to privatize and click and then and then click it again. All the trails disappear. So that privatizes it. So that privatizes it. So that right now we're not showing any any living person that isn't a member on wiki tree. And if I do this now now living people who aren't on wiki tree are showing, but you can't read it because it's too small. But anyway, so that that button actually makes those trails go away. Let me show you that again. Let me show you that again. I want you to see the trails disappear. So, yeah, we're going to make it really goofy. Right. Okay. Now just do that. And boom. Nice. Thank you. Yeah, you bet. Now, how do I undo this? How do I get out of? Jeremy, oh, no, not new, not new share. Oh, stop share. There it is. Good. So back to you Betsy. Oh, well, I mean, it's it's a collaborative effort. Here. Oh, yep. You're back. It's fine. Let's see. We have about 20 minutes left. Do we have any questions? Anyone want us to look at their profiles? Yes, Sue. Okay. Back to when he was putting the picture on first. He said you spell out large, you don't just put L and you're going to tell us why. So so it turns out that that's S, M and L you can use and you can also use large. And if you use large, it's going to try and make it as big as the image is within the limits of that's that that column. Okay. So let's say the image was twice as wide as the column. It's still going to fit in the column. But let's say the image was only half the size of the column. It's going to show up as half the size of the column. Okay. And but but if you use S, M and L, you get what are they? There's 200, 200 pixels, 300 pixels and four or maybe it's 600 pixels. So so there's, you know, specific measurement that they're going to use for those. And so I just find it for me for how I work. I just find using large and because of the nature of the screenshots and different things I use that I just find large is the best way for me to work. But you have to you have to just try things and see how they look. Right. And it doesn't like, you know, it does cost the system. Every time you do a save, it costs the system a little bit. Right. And so we try to discourage people from save, save, save, save, save. Right. We don't want people to do that all the time.  Right. You're not seeing what it should look like. So sometimes you do have to save and go back and adjust it. But you learn and once you learn, then you decide this is what I like. Right.  Right. Because wiki tree, we can each do what we want to do and, and right. And some people are going to pat us on the back and other people are going to, are going to, you know, thumb their nose at us and it doesn't matter. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when I would, oh, go ahead Sue. Well, I was just going to ask, could you look at one of my profiles? I've got a picture on there. And I was, I don't, I put large or small, but okay, it's, I'm not sure of the number, but it's generic and I'm sure there's not many. Okay. G, E, N, N. Okay. Let me, let me screen share and then you can type it in. And before we do that, I just want to answer a question Stephen put in the chat about if, if you inherit your grandmother's photo album and she has passed on, then yes, you, you can say that they are your photos to share. Yes. Good. Yeah. Okay. All right. So now I'm going to go to share screen and I will go to, okay. What is it? What is the name, Sue? G-E-N-N-E-A-R-Y. Okay. Do we want to put a first name in or do you think? Roy. Roy. Okay. Search. Oh, well, that was easy. Yeah. That happened very often. Okay. Okay. All right. There we are. Okay. I have a picture down farther and it seems like it's pretty big for the size of the, the biography. Well, Sue, you're talking about the one that I, okay. Yeah, it's not. Any, yeah, any picture that's on the right like that will be that size. I think she's talking about further down though. In the biography where I put it there now. Oh, okay. It's not as big as I thought it was. Yeah. It's a very nice one. So, so what we can say about that is that it, you know, it wouldn't hurt if it were bigger. You're, you, you're putting a lot of space into the caption. Yeah. And, and it works, but it, but you could, you could have, you could have that information in a paragraph before and after too, right? Well, I didn't know what I was doing when I did it. So, yeah, it's okay. What, how, how would you improve it? Okay. Let me think. So I would, I would either make it left or right and I would have the text be on, beside it. Okay. Instead of a caption. Okay. Do we want to try that and see how it looks? Sure. Okay. If you want to, do you want to, do you want to take over? I can direct you Betsy. Okay. All right. You drive, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll navigate. Okay. Edits. Yep. Let's go down to that, find that image. Yep. Okay. There we go. Right. Now let's let me look at that for a second. So, so double click on the word caption. Okay. Okay. Like. Okay. That's, that's good. Now, and type in now the word label. Where will I type that? Right, right now, just go ahead and type. Oh, okay. No, you selected caption. So, yeah. Okay. Okay. So now, now the, the text from Brigittear to 1967, grab that and copy it. Okay. And put it after. After, after the braces. Okay. Like here. Well, you can put a space, sorry, you can put a line after the brace and before Brigittear. Okay.  Um, uh, excuse me a sec. I just have to look at something quickly. Okay. Do you, uh, do you want it on the left or on the right? You want the image on the left or on the right? Sue? Um, which way is he looking? I can't tell you the wrong one. I think straight ahead. Oh, okay. Then it doesn't matter. Yeah. Put it on the right, the writing on the right. Okay. So we need, um, we need, let's see on what line after, after, uh, dot jpeg. Yeah. I started a new line. Okay. Um, um, vertical bar. Align. Equal. Align. Equals. Left. L. Just. Yeah. Uh-huh. Um, and then we're going to do a, um, let's do a size, let's do a size equals large. Okay. Is that a new line and with a pipe? Yeah. Yeah. A pipe and a size equals large. Okay. So by the way, everybody, this, uh, the vertical line, which on many, well on my keyboard, it's, it's sort of on the upper right and then you have to shift to get it. That's also called a pipe. Um, okay. Size. Equals. Equals. Large. Yeah. Let's try that. Okay. Um, let me see what else. Oh, and then after, in between 1967 and obituary. Mm-hmm. We want a clear, uh, double brace, clear double brace. Yep. Uh, I, I think it should be a capital C. I'm not sure. I always do capital C. Okay. All right. Um, so just, just for safety's sake, let's preview that and make sure that, that I didn't mess anything up and then we'll do a save and see what it really looks like. All of those instructions. Oh, that's really big. All of those instructions. So, so, so large is too big. So we're going to go to L. Uh, no, we're going to go to M. Okay. Now let's go back up and we'll make the size M. Where is it? Uh, uh-huh. Okay. Make the size M. Okay. And so notice that when you go down to preview again, again, you have to, if you make a change, you have to click preview again to see the results of that change there. So now what we've done here is now, she's hovering over the picture. Don't go back, hover. So the text that's, the text that's up there on the right is also the text that's in the hover. See? Mm-hmm. Is that, is that an improvement, sir? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is there any way we could make the, um, the righty narrower so it goes down further instead of just at the top there? Well, we'd have to have more words. This was the caption that went with the picture in the magazine. I took it from, so. Okay. Um, no, there's text, there's text. Well, the seats, see some of the text below is part of his obituary, right? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the picture in that just sort of separate. Yeah. Now, when you made the, oh, I'm sorry, Steven. Okay, go ahead, sir. Okay. When you made all those things with the order, the size equals and this and stuff, does that have to be in a certain order? Um, I don't believe so. Okay. I think, I think there's just, there's a, you know, there's a list of things that you can do. So you can, you can set the alignment, align equals, size equals. You can set the label, which is what you get when you, when you mouse over something and you can set the caption, which is the text that goes underneath. Now, the thing about the caption is if you put too much text in the caption, it's going to be wider than the picture. So sometimes that kind of messes up your purpose, right? And so you want to look at the reconsider how you handle that, which is what we did here. Yeah. Yeah. And what else is there? Um, let me just check and see if there's an obvious one that I've missed. You know, I think. Those are the ones I know. Yeah.  We will save that in a second, but if I go to, um, oh goodness, go to my profile and I'm just going to pick an image, images. Um, okay. All right. So if I go down here, um, it's a nice, this is what I grabbed to insert the picture within the biography text. But below it is this example here that gives you a nice little working template. Oh, okay. Yeah. So just any, any image page will have that. Okay. That's really technical stuff. Yeah. Make it look classy. Yeah. So would you need to go ahead and save it? Yes. Yes. I like that. Thank you very much. Thanks, Mary. I learned, I didn't know how to do captions or labels. Okay. So we did a bio improvement, full save. It's also called alt text, by the way. And so, and so you should know that when you do that, when you add a label, then you're helping anybody who has to use a screen reader to, to access wiki tree. And so, you know, somebody, somebody who's accessing wiki tree will be, would be able to read that caption, that label. We'll have another one of these the fourth Sunday of the month. So that would be the 20, 25th. Yes. Sunday the 25th in the morning. So it's 11 o'clock Eastern Standard Time. Okay. Well, good. It's been fun. Yeah. Well, wrap it up then. Thank you so much for coming. And thank you to everyone who's watching afterwards. And wiki tree on. We'll see you next time. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.