So this is going to be informal and off on the on the fly so to speak I'm a moderator and It's a great privilege for me to be serving in this role a room a jumbar was supposed to be that moderator But he has been called away on something else. So I'm a last-minute fill-in I Want to start by asking both of you to make some opening remarks, but let me preface it with some of my own experiences for two minutes and that is When I first joined the government in January 2009 the price of oil is very low We had just going through It entered into a deep recession not in the United States worldwide and the price of oil in Today's dollars might have been $30 about some plunged very low and then it slowly climbed back and for the four and a half years I was there. I was often accused of single-handedly making the price of oil go up to a hundred hundred ten dollars a barrel Now because of you because of me now I have to tell you that part of the office of Secretary of Energy are these dials underneath the desk and every morning I set the dials But at a hundred dollars a barrel things changed mildly then Most recently in the last year and a half or so year the price plunged Now when I was in this hundred dollar barrel time when the price of oil went up the stock market went down Because it was considered a strain for high cost of oil and it affected world politics in a very deep way And now that the price of oil went to nearly 30, but let's say 40 45 dollars a barrel When the price of oil goes down the stocks go down the exact opposite Then when the price of oil went up the stocks went down Okay, so because it's now deemed too low Certainly by the oil and gas industry But also by a number of countries on This is also set something much larger longer time scale oil and gas prices have always been cyclic But there's something else coming along that's not really going to be cyclic and that's the risks we face for carbon pollution and climate change and The most recent news over the last five years is unfortunately been somewhat bad news. I emphasize risks We don't know exactly what's going to happen but But the deepening understanding Looks like averaged over the world or of course be some places which can benefit but average over the world It's either bad very bad or catastrophic. Those are kind of the choices One is landing on in terms of the risks, but we don't know where it's going to happen So so there's this long-term issue many long-term issues Energy is intimately tied with the world economy as well It's in really tied with developing countries getting access to energy all these very complicated things Where you want developing countries to have access to energy, but you want it to be clean and you want it to be inexpensive So with that backdrop, let me ask both of you to just comment briefly at opening remarks We'll have a little bit of Discussion, but I really want to turn it mostly at the last 25 minutes or so to two questions from you and so you can ask These two great men Their views now I have to say I've been a long admirer of both of these fellows so much so That I have ducked my usual tennis shirt and sneakers and got dressed up just for this occasion So All right, though, why don't you start and then followed by George No, the feather shoe has talked about the Variation of price of oil it has profound effects on many different aspects In your national scene I have focused mainly on its effect on national security because this is the thing that I work in the It's a it's a complex issue One of the things we have noted is that in the period when price was a hundred hundred dollars a bill or even higher Russia Was who was a major oil producer and a natural gas producer Russia was had a booming economy and Unfortunately from my point of view you use that booming economy to do some things which we thought were not in our national security interest for example They have their point Substantial resources into completely rebuilding the military system including a whole new Family of nuclear weapons so this is concerned to some they're also you Using the money. I thought To conduct some mischief in the international arena So High price of oil aside from its economic impact for example in the United States and the United States companies Does have a role in national security The biggest issue that we saw From the high price of oil in Europe Was that we saw an increasing dependence on? Russia and therefore Concerns that the European countries would lose some of their Independence because they'd be dependent on Russia for supply and mostly natural gas not a royal and At very very high prices So we see Many many aspects I didn't expect Secretary Schultz to talk about the economic aspects of the high price of oil But there are national security aspects as well and that I'm going to pivot over to George doing What Steve to said Illustrates both the promise and the problem that we face today as I see it The promise comes from his sponsorship of Arpae Arpae Was the promoter of the greatest effort at scientific and engineering advance In energy we've ever had It was also taking place in other countries, too And it's interesting because when government money is serious about some subject That tends to attract private money So in the case of Stanford, I believe and I know at MIT where I Serve as chairman of the advisory committee on their energy initiative The private money is about three to one to the public money, but it wouldn't be there. We're not for the public money and During this period there has been gigantic progress in Solar energy and wind energy Batteries I saw in the paper this morning that Chevy's new bolt Car will get 238 miles electric car 238 miles for a charge When that happens The electric car has arrived All this has really been spurred by this research The problem is also illustrated by what Steve said about the varying price of oil. I Was secretary of the Treasury When we had the first Arab oil boycott in 1973 We had sort of predicted in a report I made to the president, which I might say we had some obvious Recommendations President Eisenhower thought that if we imported more than 20% of the oil we use we're asking for trouble in national security terms So we're kind of bumping up against that so my little group studied that and We said the problem isn't Military problem. The problem is the turmoil in the Middle East and we might lose that oil and We made a number of recommendations among them that we ought to have an energy department or somebody paying attention to this subject because it's a strategic subject and Some it's storage reserve and so on all of these things seem pretty obvious to To us the president patted me on the head said nice report. It was published. There were congressional hearings. Nothing was done So 1973 I'm secretary of the Treasury here comes the Arab boycott more or less what we predicted and Then people put the recommendations we made into effect We didn't create the Department of Energy, but in a sense I was your predecessor because People would come into me With these ideas they had it sounded interesting and I started support them But when the price of oil went down All interest in this R&D went away Then when we had the Iranian Revolution the price of oil went back up again and people started getting interested price fall goes down goes away Now with Steve's intervention we had the long period of high oil and gas prices And those prices produced RPE in sense in a sense they led people to look for alternatives And now the price of oil has gone down again, and I think one of our big Issues in public policy is to be sure that the funding for energy R&D stays there this time and we have much better arguments than we've ever had before because We can point to the experience with it. We've had Six years or so of really major effort and we say look what's happened. This has paid off So it might as well continue it and We can have that battle. We had an interesting little exercise here a few years ago We brought 12 MIT scientists to Stanford. We had a similar number from Stanford. We talked about game changers then we had a Return engagement at MIT then we took our act to Washington And I managed to get the then-speaker of the house John Boehner to set us up with the Republicans on the House Energy Committee These are the bad guys, right? Well, I took a little delegation It was a piece of cake to sell them energy R&D. No problem However the minute somebody said hey, we got a good idea. Let's have the government sponsor this company and you lose everybody So it's a big lesson here stick to R&D. Keep the government out of loans and anything that has to do with Making let private enterprise do that and I think you'll get the energy R&D But this is a big issue for us right now politically I think Ernie Moniz the President Secretary of Energy is doing everything he can to get this baked in the cake And I think that's a very good thing Okay, thank you. I want to ask a question to follow questions, but For those of you don't know it's been mentioned about this ARPA E So that stands for Advanced Research Projects Agency for Energy. It was model after DARPA Rumen Majunder who should have been leading this discussion was the first director of ARPA E I had met him when I was at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory when it's director I was very impressed with him and Promoted him to a division director status while I was there and then when I got to Washington I worked on him to come to DC. So and it has Had a very good track record for the first term We I hope it remains very strong as an instrument for research and development and I would agree generally with Secretary Schultz that saying that The main business of government Department of Energy, especially is to fund research and development that can then be picked up by the private sector but Going to these issues of what we do in these low oil prices. I want to quote shake Yamani he was Former Saudi oil minister and he said something to the effect of the Stone Age did not come to an end For lack of stones and the oil age will not come to an end for lack of oil Now I have to say this. That's not why he's the former Saudi oil minister The point he was trying to make is when you transition from stone age to a metal age you go to better solutions and After that transition, we don't look around with very sad faces that all the stones on the ground said stranded assets Okay, so what about oil and gas People will look With very sad faces stranded assets if we don't find better solutions, which means economically better solutions as well even if you fold in The cost of carbon the social cost of carbon, let's say make a number $80 a ton Oil and gas still will be the low cost thing for a lot of things like long-distance transportation We don't have solutions yet and By the way, that's why you Students at Stanford have to come up with these solutions But let's let's go back to that oil and gas exploration Recovery is getting better and better it too is Technically a more advanced and it's able to bring out of the ground oil and natural gas at lower and lower costs And even though our finite our resources are finite. They're better at finding it better extracting it Renewable energy is coming down by a lot electricity Natural gas is cheapest followed by wind and then solar and and So but that's only true at 10 or 20 percent natural wind and solar and When you go to 50 60 percent renewables then the cost of the standby the cost of the trans energy stores to stand by energy on demand sources and battery P-clo shifting and day-night shifting is also part of the cost of renewables So so the good news is renewables is getting very inexpensive But it has to can still continue to to race along for the next couple of decades and so If let me turn to both of you and ask first you George and then bill What what should the United States do in order to keep This intensity going so as you say baked into the system to get up those innovations so we get lower cost alternatives for clean energy and To really make sure we keep our on this ball over the next 50 years 80 years Where we will really have to make a transition. So let me start with Secretary Schultz. I didn't follow by Secretary I think to a certain extent it's about politics So let me give another example in the mid 1980s There were a lot of very good scientists who thought the ozone layer was depleting There were some perfectly respectable people who doubted it They all agreed However, that it happened it would be a catastrophe so That I became involved in that we had a very interesting EPA Director in a group in the State Department. I was Secretary of State at the time who who took this up and I talked about it with President Reagan at length and He decided That we should try to do something about it. So we did something that nobody ever does today in politics Put his arm around the people who disagreed And he said we respect you But you do agree that if it happens It's a catastrophe So what if we take out an insurance policy? Insurance policy is a good concept you take out an insurance policy in your house Not because you expected to burn down, but just in case So that was sold It didn't get the doubters to come with us, but it got them off our back And just as the RPE has helped to stimulate things privately When it became clear that the government's going to do something about this it generated the creative juices in the private Sector and the DuPont company came up with something that you could do That would change the situation not what you aspire to by 2050, but what you do today So we got that getting done all around and It wound up when something called the Montreal Protocol and It worked in retrospect, I Think there would be general agreement that the scientists who were worried were right and The Montreal Protocol came along just in time Now what's the lesson? The lesson is to work with people try to get a common approach to problems Our politics has gone off the rails now If somebody doesn't agree with you you try to vilify them eliminate them make called dumb and So on so you just fight forever nothing ever gets settled I think we've got to get back to the politics of finding common ground and That common ground ought easily to be among other things Continued support the amount of support from the out of the federal budget for energy R&D. You lose it in the rounding here It's not that big But it makes a huge difference And if this R&D effort can continue as it has in the last five years or another five or ten years The energy picture will be revolutionized. I have no doubt about it storage batteries are Becoming more important better I mean, how can you have an electric car go 238 miles? That's a big deal. It takes the rain anxiety out of the picture So that can that'll have a big impact. I Might say I also learned from the very experiences I had That when you're approaching energy policy, you've got to keep in your mind. Oh, it's three things It affects on the economy because energy is the vital to the economy second Impact on national security as bill said and third affects on the environment All three are in play all the time. You have to work at them Constantly now, let me give you an example of something That is good for the environment good for the economy and good for defense security. I Think Steve would know better than I about this, but my impression is that we are increasingly able to store Electricity at scale Batteries small scale, but batteries are getting able to handle larger and larger amounts Think of what that means It means you take the interbitency problem away from solar and wind energy Because you can go into a battery and then be dispersed as you need it It means that everything is going to be cheaper. So it's good for the economy and From a defense standpoint just an example. Our grid is very vulnerable to cyber attack It can get knocked out But if you have some large-scale storage You can knock out the grid, but you keep going until you get things restored So it has a major security element No doubt if you're on a ship You're in an aircraft carrier if you have large-scale storage of energy That's inexpensive. That's a big deal So there are all kinds of things where there's a positive interaction But you got to keep the three things in mind all the time bill. Thank you bill All of the R&D programs to make a big difference in the energy field are by almost by definition Long-term program for five ten years People who are working here at Stanford are working on long-term programs like that The people who are supporting those programs at DARPA and at ARPA-E Understand that and they have conceived long-term programs and they fund long-term programs. So that's the good news The bad news is the funding to do this Allocated long term it's allocated a year at a time The people in ARPA-E and DARPA plans for five years they have five ten-year programs But the funding trickles in a year at a time That's as appropriated by the Congress and So there's a disconnect between the need for long-term Programs and the funding ability to get funding for long-term programs the No matter how diligent and no matter how visionary DARPA is no matter how visionary ARPA-E is or the Secretary of Energy the Secretary of Defense is They have to get the appropriations year by year through the Congress Congress isn't noted for its long-term thinking and And So how do you deal with that disconnect and there has to be some leadership from the top sure When you as Secretary of Defense say we need a new aircraft carrier But how long does it take to build an aircraft carrier? If ten years if you're lucky, okay, so they have to get you gotta get a ten-year commitment Why can't we turn energy r&d into an aircraft carrier? You've done it with a carry out to be able to do it with energy if you could package your r&d programs in such a way that they funded five six seven years at a time That would go a long way to it the way they do with a an aircraft that would go So it's theoretically possible in fact it's never been done that I'm aware of but If you cannot do that then you really count on leadership from the top So it matters a lot When you go to vote this November who use both of president who you vote for president set senator who you vote for Congress From your district the problem is there and guiding on that you won't find much a very Illumination in the discussions in the debates political debates If you listen at the presidential political bait you will not hear much discussion about the importance of r&d and long-term funding So you have to make some kind of a judgment on that But what I'm saying is it's a system is set up the funding system is set up Where the cards are stacked against long-term programs? And so you have to find some force to sort of counteract that negative Issue and the force has to come from leadership from your from the president from the Senators from the congressman of course from the cabinet officers to but then the cabinet officers are selected by the president Although I must say I don't think they're ever selected on the basis of the dedication of long-term funding But that's that's the issue its leadership makes a You cannot there's no substitute for leadership who understands this problem And is willing to go to bat when we go to Congress and fight for the r&d and fight for the long-term funding George you wanted to make a quick comment. Well, I want to suggest a Long-term I want to suggest an aircraft carrier. It's called a revenue-neutral carbon tax You get that into effect I've been advocating this for quite a while But the even the Wall Street Journal this morning had a long section and it had maybe the carbon tax is about to arrive You make it revenue neutral so the revenues from the tax get passed back to individuals in my Thing so it'll be popular every once in a while you get your carbon dividend and It also can be deal with the International free rider problem people often say gee if we do something and they don't do anything anywhere else Not going to do much good for the global warming issue But if you have a carbon tax you can say we're going to apply that tax to any import There's carrying carbon and It goes into the pot that gets distributed and people might in the other country will say Oh, how do I get that money? We say it's simple put in a carbon tax yourself So there's a concept here that maybe have some global implications And if it gets into effect and you pass the results out to individuals, it'll have some political staying power So it's a potential aircraft carrier. I think that's it A perfect solution to the problem we're talking about But it was a perfect solution three years ago and five years ago and seven years ago Also, and for some reason we seemed can't seem to get it off the ground So a question I would ask either to Georgia Steve's what can we do to get some impetus? Some political impetus behind getting a carbon tax really established well, let me This is where The R&D that you people are interested in I assume comes into play Because people say well if you put a tax on it What am I gonna do and The R&D produces the answers of what you're gonna do So there's a synergy here. Yeah, I would go further in same fact. That was it was beautiful segue into my next points of discussion Because even if the government pays for research and development you want Entrepreneurs or companies large companies small companies star companies to pick up those discoveries tournament innovation means that you take a discovery and turn it to something that gets actually out there and Energy in the outsates in most the world is is It's a private enterprise of sorts and so What would induce companies to pick something up, which is the nascent technology where you are in risks and so I would say that a Carbon tax actually creates market demand if you let's say no that over the period of 20 years The price of carbon goes from five or ten dollars to I'll use a number that the CEO of Exxon mobile has been bending about 40 80 dollars a ton of carbon dioxide I became convinced when I was secretary that that alone over this 15 or 20 year period would get the interest of Industry it will give them certainty so they could start planning and it would create a market without artificially Subsidizing this and that then industry says. Oh, this is where we're going. We're gonna have to plan ahead all the Need inventions that come out of universities and RPE companies will then have a market So so I always thought that Having this light touch of an overall guidance would be Very much better and you can get rid of a lot of little regulatory stuff now to answer your question bill What is different? When the last couple of years Rex Tillerson Exxon mobile has come out Total and in fact all the European oil companies have come out very much and said we want Price certainty the carbon trading scheme in Europe that was instituted didn't do the right thing It was too volatile and the price went so low that it didn't induce anybody to change anything it's not about six euros a ton of carbon dioxide and You won't get people to start making investments unless they know where the price will be 10 20 30 years from today so so I think that's something that is growing The same Wall Street Journal page where the articles advocated carbon tax and say might happen. There was a rebuttal article that said Congress right now is not in the mood for a carbon tax But I always thought and maybe I want you both of you to respond to this if you get more and more of the Significant companies in the United States, especially the oil and gas companies to say this is what we want Then it gets it out of the political realm. We can get Republicans and Democrats to say you know and you get rid of a lot of the little cross things and little complicated regulations and By the way make it revenue neutral So so it doesn't go into because they're at least temporarily maybe for a long time There's a mistrust that perhaps the government can't spend the money and more wisely than the private sector So I want you to comment on those things, you know, what what what use I think I think it's it's it's rising whether it's gonna happen this year or five years from now it's not gonna happen this year but five years from now or ten years from now and Would you mention about the border? I? Had a discussion with the financial people when I was secretary and I said we should do this and we can make Board adjustments because once you determine the price of carbon it becomes easy and I was met with oh WTO agreements they wouldn't go for it said we make border tariff adjustments all the time so maybe you can help with your Economic friends to cut try convince people that this is Really within the realm of possibility? Just so I throw that on part of little group that's gradually forming itself and Trying to raise money But we expect some time early next year To make a big pitch for what we're calling the conservative case for a carbon tax And the conservative case says you don't like all these regulations and subsidies fine Put a price out there and let the market sort it out and that's very appealing to a lot of people and To businesses too because they know what the price is And a lot of them as you say are beginning to realize there's going to be a price of carbon so if we make our Investment decisions we're going to make that assumption on our decisions and That will lead us to certain kinds of conclusions So I think the case is strong and I'll continue to make it bill and may and you know over time People didn't believe in airplanes for a while, but gradually they came along As I say, this is a this is a an aircraft carrier. I think the Biggest single factor which could help actually make the carbon tax reality Would be strong and vocal support from the oil and gas industry So you say that's starting develop I think that's that's the way to push push to get that to happen if it happens full scale I think that will reduce quite a few of the arguments against the carbon tax So I that is an encouragement as an encouraging trend I think There's another the sort of an aircraft carrier possibility here, too That works in the Defense Department doesn't seem to work anywhere else that when the Defense Department gives contracts somebody to build an aircraft carrier They allow that defense contractor to spend a certain percentage of his overhead on R&D. It's called independent R&D and That turned out to be a large amount of money and almost all of the companies I know I've spent nearly all that they're entitled to spend it's a long term. They can count on it for a long term to come So that gives a solid long-term R&D base for one aspect of the industry Naming the defense industry for doing that, but there's nothing like that as far as I know in any other Department in government has the energy department ever considered anything like that for their well we The national labs have a budget and they they are allowed to tax themselves and in that tax it can be anywhere from a couple percent all the way I think it's limited to five or six percent and the laboratory director with with consultation with the leadership of national laboratories can decide We're gonna put something in that we believe could be breakthrough. It's seed money. It could be a big deal and This so-called LDRD laboratory directed research thing. It's been Some of the best science I have to say this come out of the national labs actually started with LDRD money and It's something that the labs themselves are able to tax themselves because they think it's so valuable I think the idea of Well in in the wholesale energy market things like that. I think it's the margins are razor-thin and And so I it's like supermarkets Supermarkets are not gonna pay for R&D They buy food from somebody they sell to somebody and And it's razor-thin margins, but I think as you go more into research and development That's something we should think about Georgia you can see I want to point out to a different category of persuasive material that is coming up the Climate is changing and getting warmer. I observe But for something to be really believed Something that hits you Yourself is important. So you want to get Lucy Shapiro to come here and talk She is a biologist She says Zika is the tip of the iceberg As the globe warms Tropical diseases come north And we're not ready for them We need to get ready But when you see the connectivity of a disease that might affect you With what's happening Then you're much more inclined to say well, what can we do about what's happening? so unfortunately unfortunate events like this are gonna happen and When things happen that affect individual people It's not an abstract scientific argument. It's something that's you see yourself and so You want to say what we should be doing something about this And it is it just turned out that the world health authorities and health stories in countries each country and in many countries both concerned about changing climates because they deal with those On a non-political basis of how do you deal with rising stresses and rising potential emergencies like Zika Zika? by the way, I Don't want to alarm you, but you might think well, okay if let's say The three of us here might not be concerned about getting Zika virus because we're you know, not really planning and starting families There could be others who are younger who might not but it actually those people actually are carriers Because most of the time do you have very virtually no symptoms? So Maski will bite you who let's say you're not playing starting a family.  You're the typhoid Mary So it's very different. So it it's not just People in child-bearing age people are thinking of starting families are trying to start families are the ones that worry They have to be worried about everyone else who could be a carrier a silent carrier because you might have a Virtually no fever no nothing and you're traveling around and you won't and you don't want to put on a mosquito repellent So that is so this is the tip of the iceberg not to alarm any of you, but Let me as promise throw the floor open to Questions from unless you fellas want to make any more comments I want to throw the floor open to questions and Just you know, say your name and What what your question is the question is the audience is allowed to I'm supposed to repeat the question Remind me of a funny scene in the The television show taxi But I'm I can tell you the joke Yes Okay, so the question is what do you see as inter agency cooperation between energy defense state Many other agencies home and security you name it Let me throw it open to both of you the inter agency Interagency cooperation, so how does state work with energy or with the military in forwarding the goals we're talking about for example making clean energy less and less expensive More accessible to not only United States, but to worldwide Well, I think of the Montreal protocol example that I mentioned earlier the State Department led negotiations But we have a science group in the department that worked very closely with the EPA and So we had their input and then we had to get support from around the government and we had A lot of people some objectors. I had a very skillful guy. It was a assistant secretary. His name was John Negra potty And later went on to do bigger things all over that was pretty big But I knew what President Reagan's view was so if we had an interagency problem I said let's refer it to the White House And I knew the answer would come from the White House So we got it done Bill or it goes back to what bills had a lot depends on the top and we had During the first energy crisis in the late 70s. I was the undersecretary defense at that time for research and engineering and My colleague John Dorch was under sector of energy He wanted to promote solar energy. This is back in the late 70s and Solar energy was just a gleam in people's eyes then he wanted to promote solar energy So we agreed that the set of whole new field of silos We were building that we'd build solar arrays to power them We couldn't justify that from a cost point of view We justify from the point of view that advanced the technology of solar energy for the greater good of the whole country Also the Department of Energy in those days Started invest in synthetic fuels It could have been done by the Department of Energy Just been created and then that went to the budgets. So yes, you can do things across across budget like it if the secretaries are Willing to be a little broad minded about what they're trying to promote So we could see that the advancing of our energy futures in this country Was the long term was these are all of the defense department. So we did those things and in my day this continued with especially with EPA defense and state the government US government's biggest consumer of energy by far of the sections is the Defense Department and Their purchasing power actually can create markets and do things that That they were well aware of and wanted to nudge and create market draw So state worked a lot with then secretary Clinton in trying to get policies to to help promote energy access to energy clean energy And drive down costs. So so this actually was continuing and deepening one of the one of the things I should say is that the secretaries and the Deputy Secretary's assistant secretary's all were in favor of this But they have to show leadership because there is a tendency of each agency as you go further down to want to own it And and go like this. And so that's something that really stay pressure from the top to say you Continue to work together Steve of how is important to the defense department Doing the war in Iraq. We had forward operating bases very far away from sources of supply and They all used electricity So they were getting the electricity from diesel generators. So you had to transport the diesel fuel to them Now whatever the cost of diesel fuel was at the port by the time you got out that forward operating base It's almost impossible to measure the cost because if you lost one out of three Tankers on there you had you lost all that fuel you had people kill you lost a truck So the cost people very few tried to estimate the cost of oil out of forward operating base There's hundreds of dollars a bill Many hundreds of dollars a bill back So it was very important for the defense to have alternative sources of electricity So the solar rays which we were in a modest way supported way back in the 1970s Now become very very important. So solar rays being used at the forward operating base or by Soldiers out on patrols made a huge difference in the operation then so the reason then for this trans department cross department support and funding Can be enlightened self-interest really every year there comes to Stanford a group of people we call national security fellows each armed forces one army neighbor Marine Corps Coast Guard and We're discussing issues of Alternative forms of energy one day and guy sitting at the table said it was a Navy guy He said I'm a naval labor Navy aviator. I've flown lots of missions in Afghanistan Every pilot knows you can go down If I go down and he carries it with him pulls this thing out. He says I turn this on My friends know where I am The only problem is that only last 24 hours It pulls another device out. It's a little solar panel thing is I use this to recharge Very simple life-saving I'm a Marine Marines have a thing you put on. It's a big flap in back. It's a solar panel So you've got a lot of equipment. You don't like to carry excess Batteries and so on you can recharge things with that solar panel. So the military are seeing lots of things that are practical and Have an individual impact like that Hey Another questions. Let's see. Let's see first you then you So the question was as developed countries put a more renewable resources what to developing countries whose revenue is strings are coming from Traditional sources of energy what's going to be their economic impact is that okay? Anyone want to take a George want to take a first stab at that Well, you're heavily dependent on all revenues. There's Saudi Arabia and Russia It's a problem As far as I can see and just reading about it Saudi Arabia is seeing this problem They're trying to sell some of Saudi or Amco and they're trying to change their culture and Get some university work there and equip their population to do other things and They make some progress. I used to be in a company called Bechtel. We built a Community there called your bail and It's designed to be a kind of an industrial park and do different things So that you have to face up to the fact that if the main thing you're relying on Goes away or it goes away to a very considerable extent. You better get something else and get going on. I would say that Venezuela is another good example large fraction of the government revenues comes from oil and It it's it it's going to very very hard times Possibly failed nation status Meanwhile, Russia and Saudi Arabia are dipping deeply into cash reserves that they've had They're nowhere close to balancing any budgets and so but it's also I should say Impacts develop countries as well the United States produces. We're either the second or third largest oil producer in the world Even though we still import oil we are we I think we might have passed Russia up until very recently because of the hydraulic fracturing horizontal drilling logical solution of that problem for the country and It's take the times when they have when oil prices are high take the time when they have large supplies of oil and take the Revenues from that the profits from that and invested in diversified industries That's what Saudi Arabia is trying to do right now. There's a huge inertia against doing that though Russia announced many years ago They were going to do that was when the oil was a hundred dollars a barrel There's a wonderful plan, but they didn't do it in fact and so today when the oil is down Whatever it's 30 or 40 dollars a barrel. They're in a bad position their economy has suffered Substantially in the last two years is lower price because they did not use the resources diversified when they had you It's even grand idea, but it comes ever. It's even worse than that because Many developing countries will subsidize the cost of energy kerosene gasoline diesel and If they subsidize it comes out of taxpayer money and so they can't spend that on other things You know healthcare education you name it and when the price of oil plunged many many people in Including those in developing countries said now's our time to shrink the subsidy because when the price was high they couldn't trick the subsidy they'd be unelected immediately and Very few countries had the courage to shrink the subsidy and they're trying to do this, but it's it's it's to go issue, right? because There's a second golden rule in politics and that is to get reelected There's three golden rules. There's Well, okay, and then there's another question over there somewhere. Oh Maybe we can do a question. There was a question. There was a question. Yes somewhere. Yes, okay So I'll try it somewhere very briefly R&D not say it's very important But it needs to be made accessible to countries around the world so that other countries can have access to this and benefit from this and And so the question is is how do we do this? Well, let me start by saying, you know, they're always national security in energy, but it works the other way too and unstable world is Also goes to, you know, if Venezuela becomes a failed nation-state, this is a national security problem So so there are many many Instances where it might actually go in the opposite direction that you want developing countries To be prosperous. You want them to be economically stable Or develop countries to remain stable because it's it's all part of that the question about Making it available. How do you how do you transform it? I I'm gonna I'm gonna turn it over to these two But before you a very quick comment, you know Part of the R&D and part of the business incentive is to try to make some profit And but the question is then how do you also use that to help other countries? And so First you build then George on on you want to have incentive You also want to make the available to other countries. How do you do this? Yeah, I think from a policy point of view. It's desirable. I don't think there's an inhibition to doing it from a policy point of view Making it happen is a lot more difficult. Tech and technology transfer is difficult. Hard to make it actually happen We have One benefit though that comes out of it to the extent that we are successful for example when lowering the cost of solar power Other countries will benefit benefit that almost automatically But the actual tech tell technology transfer needs to be promoted with a lot of energy and a lot of vigor It's not easy to easy to do but and I agree with the premise of the question It's quite desirable to do it Of course the greatest promoter is the marketplace If I'm a company and I'm making Good money from selling something and I see there's a market that markets all over the world Then I go and do it in those markets But here's an example close to home You're standing in for a run my gender today. You said the State Department has a program of Scientific ambassadors I guess should colon So a run is one of those so he goes to Poland and his job is to Get to know people in the scientific community in Poland and Talk with them about their skills and identify who's good and In a way develop the possibility that a Polish scientist might come here and some US scientists might go there and you kind of promote The emergence of more work together in this area. It's a very interesting concept But then another we were talking about Russia earlier Sometime ago a man named Medvedev was president of Russia and he came here He came to the Bay Area Explicitly because he wanted to find out about Stanford and the Silicon Valley and what goes on and he came My wife is chief of protocol for San Francisco in California, so we went to meet him Governor was Arnold Schwarzenegger And Arnold had his own airplane, but he didn't realize that when a head of government comes the airspace is closed So we're meeting the president of Russia and Arnold is circulating up there But anyway, we gave a dinner for him in a place in San Francisco and the Silicon Valley heads of people were all there the next day Medvedev went to Twitter and Our then mayor Gavin Newsom who is always likes to put on any kind of informal Look went with a coat and a tie Medvedev showed up with an open collar and a pair of jeans So he was trying to act like he's in Silicon Valley Then he came down to Stanford and We had a meeting with Ann Arben who manages research at Stanford and he was asking all kinds of questions like Where does a Stanford researcher get money? Well, some of it comes from government NIH grants or wherever Well, how does that to get decided that he gets it? Well, there's a peer review panel Well after the peer review then who decides, you know, he thought Some government top guy would all decide well the peer review decides. Hmm. That's interesting. There's something Well, then suppose somebody gets a good idea and it turns out to be commercially worthwhile How does the person who got the idea? Participate well at such a thing as a patent and There's a certain ownership here and so there's a way it was interesting to see him trying to think through the process Thinking of it in terms of Stanford and then trying to get to know people here He had an interesting we had an interesting aspect. He gave a talk in Dinkinsville big auditorium and It was the audience was just whoever came but place was jammed And there was a question period And he got some pretty searching questions and he didn't get mad or huffy. He answered them So I admired that then His motorcade left from there to go to the airport So we got our car into the motorcade because my wife's chief of protocol duties But we were back in the motorcade and the motorcade pulls up to his plane. It's pretty high Stairs going up to his plane by the time we got We were back in the motorcade by the time we got up to the stairs in his wife were already in the plane Somebody must have told him we were down there because all of a sudden he and his wife reappeared.  We had given them California caviar in California vodka She said I'll come if I get Russian caviar and Russian vodka deal But it was an interesting thing that in coming to the United States he explicitly came here because he wanted to try to get an understanding of what goes on between Researchers at Stanford and Silicon Valley and business and so on Some Russians are thinking about it and I think you have to say in history bill the Russians have a very impressive history of Creativity in their science and engineering group very impressive Well, I can personally vouch for Russian caviar and vodka But maybe I can get Charlotte to introduce me to California caviar But we only have one minute or zero minutes, but I just want to add a little bit to this it right now Let's say wind and solar are and also matters, but let's say wind and solar Countries are introducing it in a novel way. It's novel From ten years ago.  What do you bid for? and so in the last three or four years these bids for Developers to come in and erect a solar farm a wind farm have been going lower and lower They dropped by half in Solars. It's now four to three cents a kilowatt hour Used to be by in 2010 or 12 it used to be double that Wind is now coming in at three cents a kilowatt hour now who are bidding for these things? They're actually consortiums of groups of people. They're not just finance people For example Siemens was part of the bid for the wind turbine one farm in Morocco and they're a big Innovative wind turbine so they put together so it's a partnership of people in Developed countries who actually want to go in and they said we will do this and we'll take 6% 8% Profit per year that's good enough for us and So this way technology actually gets in into developed countries in a very natural way And so I'm a big fan of reverse auctions because you can actually find out what the cost of solar and wind is Without subsidy because these countries are not giving them free subsidies are not giving free land They're not giving you anything.  We'll charge you for land use But other than that we just want to buy your electricity you you build it you operate We'll buy electricity from you and so it's it's really a very very good way of lowering the cost of energy and also getting the Innovations that coming largely from developed countries into developing countries the developed countries see a huge market in Developing countries that's where the action is going to be because that's where the revenues are going to be spent and new infrastructure I'd like you're coming to an end here. So let me give a little personal example I have a home on the Stanford campus about it for 41 years About six years ago. I put solar panels on the home I've long since paid for the cost of the panels by what I've saved on my electricity bill. I Drive an electric car around here The amount of electricity I use in the car is less than what is produced by the solar panels So I'm driving on sunshine What's the cost of my fuel? Nothing What's not to like? Okay, so we're gonna wrap up, you know there I did on that. Thank you very much


With that said we're going to be looking at chapter 17 verses 1 through 5 as we open up and introduce this particular chapter of the Gospel of John and so I'll begin reading here and I'll start at verse 1. I'll read to verse 5 and We'll get into our study John's Gospel chapter 17 beginning at verse 1 Reading to verse 5 John writes Jesus spoke these words lifted up his eyes to heaven and said Father the hour has come glorify your son that your son also may glorify you as You have given him authority over all flesh That he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him and this is eternal life That they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent I Have glorified you on the earth. I have finished the work Which you've given me to do and now oh father glorify me together with yourself With the glory which I had with you before the world was Now I want you to notice even as we begin I'm going to give to you a bit of an introduction As a matter of fact, it's going to take a little while to develop this because you'll see why I'm doing that By the time we get into our study because this is a chapter that deals with Jesus praying and when you read the Gospel You you immediately notice something you notice that Jesus prayed often It was his habit and it's something that the writers of the Gospels mentioned fairly often For example in in Mark's gospel in chapter 1 verse 35 Mark said in the morning having risen a long while before daylight He went out and departed to a solitary place and there he prayed So in the gospel of Mark from the beginning the first chapter Mark makes a note that Jesus Christ prayed often and he would arise early. It says here before daylight He would arise a long time before daylight and he would go to a quiet deserted place a solitary place And there he would pray Now sometimes people might wonder why is it that Jesus Christ prayed after all since he's God in the flesh Would he not have already known what to do? Why would he pray? Why was it that Jesus would pray being God in the flesh? You would think that he'd already know what he's supposed to do But we find many times and I'm going to show you many instances of this Jesus would pray while someone said Jesus is praying to the father was a demonstration of his relationship within the trinity and an example for us That we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom that we need Since Christ as the God man needed to have a vibrant prayer life. So should the follower of Christ today You see Jesus had said that he had come to do his father's will when we were in chapter 4 of the gospel of John Verse 34 John wrote Jesus said to them my food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work So in prayer he would speak with his father and would be directed And that was his purpose in coming to earth is that he might know his father's will and do it in the book of Hebrews chapter 10 verse 7 it reads I said behold I have come in the volume of the book it is written of me to do your will oh God So when you read the Gospels, you'll see that his prayer life is mentioned often We've seen this as we've gone through the gospel of John Let me remind you of a few things in a moment, but you see that he would pray quite often Remember that before the raising of Lazarus as is recorded in John chapter 11 verses 41 and 42 Jesus prayed it says they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying and Jesus lifted up his eyes and said father. I thank you that you've heard me I know that you always hear me, but because of the people who are standing by I Said this that they may believe that you sent me So John gives us an example in chapter 11 of his prayer life in John 12 verse 28 Once again, he gives us another example father glorify your name Voice came from heaven saying I have both glory glorified it and I will glorify it again In Jesus's prayer life is mentioned from the beginning It was there at that his baptism in Luke chapter 3 verse 21 It says when all the people were baptized it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized and while he prayed The heaven was open. He prayed before he chose the 12 Luke chapter 6 verses 12 and 13 It came to pass in those days that he went out to a mountain to pray and continued all night in prayer to God And when it was day he called his disciples to himself and from them he chose 12 whom he also named apostles It's recorded in Mark chapter 6 verse 46 that he prayed after feeding the 5,000 it says when he had sent them away. He departed to the mountain to pray He prayed before he had asked his men that who he was that they said that he is He prayed he prayed in its mention in Luke chapter 9 verse 18 It says it happened as he was alone praying that his disciples joined him and he asked him saying who do the crowd say that I am He prayed at the transfiguration as it's recorded in Luke 9 29 It says he prayed and the appearance of his face was altered his robe became white and glistening on the night He was betrayed. He told Peter that he had prayed for him Luke 22 31 and 32 The Lord said Simon Simon indeed Satan has asked for you that he may sift you as sweet I've prayed for you that your face should not fail and when you've returned to me strengthen your brethren You see over and over and over again Incidents where Jesus prayed The gospels record that he prayed three times Well in the Garden of Gethsemane when he was on the cross three prayers are recorded Father forgive them for they know not what they do my God my God Why is thou forsaken me and father into thy hands? I commit my spirit in addition to this Jesus gave thanks before the feeding of the five thousand as mentioned and again before the feeding of the 4,000 he also prayed a word of thanks at the Last Supper and at the Supper at Emmaus So you see that Jesus's life was filled with prayer a Writer by the name of our eight Tory said Jesus prayed early in the morning as well as all night He prayed both before and after the great events of his life and he prayed when life was unusually busy There was something about his prayer life That causes men to take note It's interesting in Luke chapter 11 verse 1 It says it came to pass as he was praying in a certain place When he sees that one of his disciples said to him Lord teach us to pray as John also taught his disciples It's interesting that nowhere in the Gospels. Do you ever see one of his men approach him and Sayed him Lord teach us to preach Nowhere does it say Lord teach us to perform miracles Teach us to counsel teachers You don't see them asking for him to teach them to do anything any any other thing except for prayer and that to me is Is very interesting and very fascinating Because that was one of the things if not the thing that stood out the most in the minds of the Apostles Teach us how to pray. We have noted that you get up early go to solitary places and you pray We've noticed that no matter what it is that you're doing whether you're busy or whether you're not that busy You take time to pray We note that you have a knowledge of the will of your father and we know that it comes through your communion with him So if you can teach us anything, would you please teach us how to pray on earth? He prayed and he continues doing so for us now. He grew 725 says he is also able to save to the uttermost Those who come to God through him since he always lives to make intercession for them Jesus is praying for us even as I speak. He prays for us because he ever lives to make intercession for us When you look at the life of Christ, you see that he prayed and and you see that he he spoke of prayer The most obvious prayer that Jesus prayed would be the one that he was teaching us how to pray and that would have been What we call the our father and there he gave an example of how to pray Well here in John chapter 17 He gives us a teaching related to it and he's praying now for what is called his Consecration and he's praying for his own consecration He's praying for the consecration or the setting apart of his apostles and he's also and we'll see this as we go through this He's also praying for future believers. He's praying for us So chapter 17 as we look at John 17 contains a prayer that Jesus addresses to his father This particular prayer is divided into three sections versus one through five Which we're going to look at tonight then verses six through 19 Where Jesus is Jesus prays for the apostles and then verses 20 through 26 where he prays for future believers Where he prays for us and so we're going to be looking tonight at verses one through five It's going to be his prayer of consecration because he's about to complete his task And so that's what we're looking at. Let's begin by looking at verse one John writes Jesus spoke these words. He lifted up his eyes to heaven And he said father the hour has come glorify your son that your son also may glorify you Jesus has been teaching his disciples as we've been going through the gospel of John We know that he has exhaustively taught his disciples throughout this evening When we begin to look at the things that he taught his disciples from chapter 13 to where we are now He spoke to them concerning serving the Lord He spoke to them concerning his departure to the father He spoke of their denial that they would they that they would have concerning him He taught them concerning his preparation of a place for them of being the exclusive way to God He spoke of the coming of the comforter Taught them to abiding him to love one another He told them that the world was going to hate them the persecution was going to occur He spoke of his death. He spoke of his resurrection He taught them to pray in his name and he closed by telling them that the father himself loves them And as he's been teaching all of these very powerful things he now closes with prayer And so this prayer reveals is looking to the cross where he's he's going to complete his mission Notice how he begins in verse one. He begins father the hour has come Now Jesus has spoken of this hour often as he was preparing his Disciples the hour speaks of his time of suffering it speaks of his death upon the cross and He would use this term hour this hour Often as he taught remember in John 2 we saw this in John 2 verse 4 where he spoke to his mother And he said woman. What does your concern have to do with me my hour has not yet come He used that term in John chapter 7 verse 30 where it says no one laid a hand on him because his hour had not yet come In John 8 20 no one laid hands on him his hour had not yet come in John 12 27 now my soul is troubled. What shall I say father saved me from this hour? But for this purpose I came to this hour and then John 13 verse 1 Jesus knew that his hour had come that he should depart from this world to the father Well, now the hour has arrived The hour is upon him and what does he do? He prays Father the hour has come glorify your son that your son also may glorify you Glorify your son You know it's interesting to me and I'll say this very briefly as this isn't in my notes But it comes to mind as I'm speaking to you right now You can do a lot of things before you pray, but you can't do very much until you pray and There are quite a number of people a lot of voices today who are saying your prayers are worthless Your prayers are useless. Why are you praying? You need to do something. We're hearing that right now Why are you praying? You need to be busy. You need to do something Well, you know what I can go out and do something, but I'm not always successful Or I can speak to the one who's always successful And ask him to be of help It isn't a cop out to pray.  All I had to do is do that and Because I am those things. I Need someone who isn't weak. I need someone who is able The wisest thing I can do is call upon him and we're told in scripture to do so call upon me And I will answer they and show the great and mighty things which thou know as not hitherto have you asked nothing in my name Ask and you shall receive that your joy may be full Jesus says we're to pray pray at all times. We're told by paul pray without ceasing What we do is we speak to the lord not to get him on our side so that we might be on his side We pray to the lord not so that we can give him advice and direction So but in order that he might give us direction by his spirit And it isn't a cop out for me to get on my knees as I've been doing as you have been doing and pray for this nation And to say god help us awaken us lord work use the church help me to know what to do There are so many voices that are screaming and crying out right now that it's hard to hear your voice above the wind So I need a quiet place. I need a place where you can speak to my heart because lord I don't have the answer for what's going on not the practical solution And there's so many who are crying out saying do this and do that do this go here do that And for me lord, I just want to learn to just wait on you I just want to know what you want me to do Because when I sense you're leading and I do what you say to do then you're going to show up Because I can't force you to show up I simply want you to move and I want to be in the center of your will as you do If jesus christ himself prayed, why don't we? If jesus christ himself sought his father Why don't we? The wisest thing I can do is learn to communicate to my father And to speak to him in prayer And jesus is doing just that I gave you so many examples preceding this because jesus prayed he would awaken early go to a solitary place He'd seek his father he'd be ready go out he'd do the will of his father and he did it every day so much so That his disciples saw this about him and said teach us to pray Because we see the secret of how you know to do what you're doing It's your prayer life. Teach us to pray so the church needs to do the same We need to say god teach us to pray and that's what he's doing father the hour has come It's time for me to be glorified so that I might glorify you Father the hour has come Glorify your son that word glorify speaks of honoring or magnifying the word glorify means to cause Worth of a person or thing to be known What was the vehicle of this glory for jesus christ the vehicle of glory is the cross Because it's a cross that Causes us to give praise and glory to him and I say at 53 10 through 12 The prophet said it pleased the lord to bruise him. He has put him to grief When you make a soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed He shall prolong his days And the pleasure of the lord shall prosper in his hand He shall see the labor of his soul and be satisfied By his knowledge my righteous servant shall justify many For he shall bear their iniquities Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great And he shall divide the spoil with the strong Because he poured out his soul unto death. He was numbered with the transgressors He bore the sin of many made intercession for the transgressors Remember in john 12 23 how jesus said the hour has come that the son of man should be glorified Well, it's time for him to give up his life So how is he going to bring glory to his father while he's submitted fully to his will Again in john 4 34 my food is to do the will of him who sent me in to finish his work I've been sent on a mission and my satisfaction is derived From completing it Notice in verse 2 as he says As you have given him authority over all flesh that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him By obedience into death jesus has authority over all flesh and he noticed he gives eternal life Here's something very simple that i'm going to say But it's something that gets christians into arguments with people But here's here's what the bible teaches Without jesus no man can be saved That's what the bible teaches In acts chapter 4 verse 12 nor is there salvation in any other there's no other name under heaven given among men By which we must be saved And so jesus christ is the one who saves us and it's coming to the father through him as the earlier said But notice how he says that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him Eternal life eternal life Is not something that is earned. It's not something purchased. It's not something bargained for and it's not something that's inherited The idea of earning salvation is at the heart of all of man's religious efforts In john 6 28 and 29 Now these people were speaking to him and they said to him What shall we do that we may work the works of god? In other words, what can we do to please god and jesus answered and said to them? This is the work of god That you believe in him whom he sent Every every religious system is built on doing the very best that you can do trying as hard as you can But christianity is built on jesus christ doing what you can't do Jesus gave the sacrifice of himself The offering that was perfect We can't give that offering But if you look at every religion think of any religion on the face of the earth You're going to see the same thing in all of them and that is self Self salvation Working hard doing the best you can In order that you might somehow earn god's pleasure and that runs right in the face of god's grace It's not a single thing i did Not a single thing i did not a single thing you can do To earn salvation not a thing Not a thing But when you go to church sometimes it almost seems that So many sermons are telling us what we're supposed to be doing Well, there's a lot of truth to the things that we'll read as we look at the scripture and says this is what I want of you But if you don't start at the place of grace, you're not going to be anything but frustrated When you discover that it's through god's grace that you were saved And that the lord knows that you're flesh and he he knows beforehand that we're all going to fail in one way or another He already knows all of those things and yet at the same time he's still he still saved us that tells me something about the grace of god And so the lord jesus christ yielded up his life for me So that I a person who is is unrighteous might have a relationship with a righteous god Well, when I understand that he has given to me eternal life as a free gift Then that is something that has changed my life You see eternal life again is is a gift given freely by god's grace and it's received through faith It's something he gives it's not something i'm entitled to it's not something i deserve It's not something that i've earned It's by his grace In Ephesians 2 8 and 9 for by grace you've been saved through faith and that not of yourselves It's the gift of god not of works less anyone should boast In roman 6 23 it says the wages of sin is death But the gift of god is eternal life in christ jesus our lord and so He says that that god has given Us grace and god has given to us eternal life and this is something that we have in his son Now notice in verse 2 How it says you have given him as you have given him authority over all flesh that he should give eternal life To as many as you have given him So salvation originates with god god draws people to faith in christ Because we have a picture through the gospel of his death on a cross And we saw in chapter 6 verse 44 that no one can come to him unless the father who sent him draws that person So he uses the message of the gospel to do this And the message of the gospel is a declaration of what god has done Salvation doesn't originate with stories. It doesn't originate with our feelings. It certainly doesn't originate in our opinions Salvation originates in the gospel message declaring to us that jesus christ died on a cross In john 12 32 he said if i am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself And so what do we do we present jesus christ crucified? We declare to people why he did that and encourage people to have a relationship And as a result of that we have eternal life now notice verse 3 This is eternal life that they may know you The only true god and jesus christ whom you have sent this is eternal life so Again, I just felt like looking up a lot of scripture Because the words eternal life are used frequently in the gospels Especially in the gospel of john and the writings of john so just remembering a few of the passages in the gospel of john speaking of eternal life john 3 15 and 16 whoever believes In him will have eternal life For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son That whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life John 3 36 whoever believes in the sun has eternal life Whoever rejects the sun will not see life for god's wrath remains on him John 6 verse 40 This is the will of him who sent me that everyone who sees the sun and believes in him may have everlasting life And I will raise him up at the last day john 10 28 I give them eternal life. They shall never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand And then one example at a first john 5 11. This is the testimony God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son So let's look at that for just a moment eternal life Eternal life isn't measured in seconds or minutes. It's not measured in hours days weeks months or years Eternal life isn't specifically speaking of A length of days in terms of just living long Eternal life is actually defined here in verse 3 as fellowship with god notice what he said verse 3 This he said is eternal life that they may know you the only true god and jesus christ whom you have sent Eternal life is a relationship with the father through jesus christ It is called age abiding life and eternal life is not speaking simply of time It's speaking of quality it's speaking of a quality of life that comes through a relationship with the father It speaks of a relationship with god that produces a life that is filled with the presence of the lord And this is eternal life to know god And when you have a relationship with god, it's not just that it extends into infinity It's it's speaking of a quality of relationship that you have because of him and this is something guys Let me think about this and speak about this for a moment that I think a lot of christians have failed to realize And hopefully today as we're looking at this I can share with you a few things that will help us to get our eyes on where they're supposed to be If all we look at it's what we have and what we're going through right now I think I think that sometimes we could say with paul of all men we are most miserable Because sometimes the things that we go through are just so hard and so difficult So filled with disappointment and sorrow so many times filled with affliction and so many times filled with With things that would be normally considered negative that when when when you start thinking about how your life is going at that moment You could very easily say what a waste my life has been I'm sad all the time. I'm I'm frustrated all the time. It seems like I never get ahead It seems like I take two steps forward and then three steps back I don't know what's going on and there are a lot of christians like that And you know what I understand that because I've been there But one of the things over time that has helped me is to come to realize and I've been saying this a lot lately because Especially in the face of all that we're going through as a nation right now from coronavirus to To rioting and all of that it's if it's not one thing that's discouraging. It's another If it's not one thing, that's another And it's almost like you know when you go to the beach if you go to the beach at all If if you go to the beach I used to go to the beach all the time when I was a kid I don't go anymore because they usually try to harpoon me but when I was a kid I used to go to the beach a lot And when I go to the the beach I I used to do a lot of body surfing and some of some of you know body surfing and and all of that You know you wait for the wave you take off on it the wave starts to build you take off at the right time And you ride the wave. It's a blast. It's a lot of fun.  Am I ever going to get out of this? And all of that so what at one time was a pleasure became Something that you could even be frightened. I still remember on one occasion I went out and and I was starting to to catch waves and all and And it was a little big that day and And before you know it I was out further than I wanted to be and I'm not a good swimmer And so I'm thinking oh boy, so I got a cramp And I remember laying rolling over on my back and started to try and just Backstroke to come come in and and I was out there. I was the distance out. I wasn't it felt like miles It probably was 20 feet, but it felt like miles I was out there and I'm it wasn't that far but it was far and I was trying to come in I still remember and I was like 16 15 years old and I still remember That I couldn't move my arms anymore. I was that tired because the waves and everything was drawing me back and I was fighting It was just and I'm not a good swimmer I remember just at one point.  I laid on the on the sand. I mean I made it in. I just didn't know that I've been And I'm just laying there with my There's like an inch of water in my head Even the things that sometimes give you pleasure can also end up Causing you sorrows and sometimes in our lives we We started looking around we started thinking You know, I gave my heart to Christ and it doesn't seem like things are going the way that I thought they would so Fairly early in my Christian life up to this point now And I think I I think I can identify and some of you can identify with this too um I came to realize that God nowhere Have I ever found him promising me that every day is going to be the best day of my life I I haven't found any scriptures that says I'm exempt from paying sorrow or disappointment I haven't found any have you I haven't I've read through the bible more than once I've taught it more than I've taught through the whole bible I haven't found that have you where it says you oh come to christ and man for the rest of your life You will smile.   I've also discovered that in him I can forgive those who have despicably used me I've learned certain things through afflictions and pains and disappointments But the number one thing I've learned is that eternal life is not length of days its relationship with the father And when I came to realize it and I've grown to realize that that I've been able to say He never leaves me nor forsakes me. I never walk through the valley of the shadow of death alone He is always with me his rod and his staff. They really do comfort me I have come to learn that those things are true and the things that I've prayed that god would produce in my life I've also discovered have come through the disappointments and afflictions and discouragements that I've I've encountered because in all of those dark times and and by the way There have been many of them in all of those dark times I have discovered that no matter how dark it's been and no matter how low I've gone It always there's always a light at the end and there's always a hand lifting me up I've discovered that because I have eternal life because it is to know the father That's the key. I'm never alone and neither are you God is with us And jesus is saying this is eternal life that they may know you That they may know you the only true god and jesus christ whom you have sent Eternal life is a relationship With the father through jesus jeremiah 923 and 24 thus saith the lord Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom Let not the binding man glory in his might nor let the rich man glory in his riches But let him who glories glory in this that he understands and knows me That I am the lord exercising loving kindness judgment and righteousness in the earth for in these I delight saith the lord So it's not simply knowledge of a god Or any god It's knowledge of the true god You see there is only one true god isaia 45 verse 5 I am the lord There is no other apart from me. There is no god The only way to know the true god is to know the son who came to reveal him And jesus is the one sent by the father to bring people to fellowship with him So notice verse 4 how he says I've glorified you on the earth I finished the work which you have given me to do In other words, I have been perfectly obedient to your will In john 8 29 he who sent me is with me the father has not left me alone I always do those things that please him John 8 46 which of you convicts me of sin if I tell the truth Why do you not believe me jesus was perfectly obedient to the father's will he had not failed to be completely obedient But now he has one more task But notice how he speaks of this as an accomplished fact Even though it's still future he was fully committed to it and he completed his task Why simultaneously bringing glory to god His words and his works his miracles have revealed the glory of god on earth to men And jesus is the premier example of one who finishes well And that's what every believer should be encouraged by If there's anything I can encourage you with by way of application It would be this I have some people in here who are older this may apply to you more You know in a more personal way than for someone who's young right now somebody who's young Every day that you Live with jesus on the face of the earth is one day closer to being with him One of the things that the lord has reminded me of recently Is that every day that I have with him is one less day on earth and one day closer to being there with him So one of these days And it really won't be that long from now Compared to the length of years i've lived One of these days and it won't be that far from now There will be there will be a statement made david wassallis is dead That's not true Because i'll be like my pastor taught me and like others have said i'll be more alive at that moment than i've ever been To close your eyes here is simply to see him face to face You know eternal life is relationship with god that continues in existence through fellowship as well as length of days But you know what I just want to finish well I just want to finish well When you're younger you think oh i've got plenty of time You know I can start doing the things I I know I should do but I can do that later on a lot of people are putting off their their walks of the lord They're putting off some of the things that the lord has Has said I want to bless you in if you do these things They're putting them off for later on But as you grow a bit older you begin to realize that you have less opportunities in front of you than you've had behind you And so you want to take more advantage of those days You want to take more advantage of those opportunities You want to make sure that you're being faithful because you want to be a blessing to others and And you want god's hand of blessing on you. That's just a fact And so for me one of the things in my life is now I'm beginning to move into that phase of life where I want to finish well That I want to finish well And and jesus christ obviously is speaking of the fact that he did And I believe that the apostle paul using the example of christ Also wanted to have a complete faithfulness that he wanted to finish well So it's interesting how when you look at paul's statements About this you see it for example in second timothy chapter four verse seven You see this heart that paul had then i'm sure he was inspired by christ This this heart was inspired by christ where he had said in second timothy four verse seven I have fought the good fight. I have finished the race. I have kept the faith I have fought I have finished and I've been faithful I have I have fought. I've been a good soldier. I've been victorious in christ I have finished I ran the course set out for me successfully Not only did I start but I followed the rules. I ran well and I completed that course and I've been faithful. I've kept I've guarded god's word. I've remained faithful to him. I didn't compromise. I didn't water down his word I lived for him and that's something that I want to be able to say that I did these things too So I take inspiration from jesus when he says in verse four i've glorified you on the earth I finished the work which you have given me to do Now oh father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was Father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had This glory was one that he had with the father Because in essence he is one with god And he's stating that he's divine. He's saying that he's co-eternal with the father One of my commentators a man by the name of barns said he laid aside for a time the external aspect of honor And consented to become despised and to assume the form of a servant He now prays that god would raise him up to the dignity and honor Which he had before his incarnation You see at the cross god will be glorified through the sun And after his death he will once again resume the glory he had before the incarnation And there's a scripture in revelation if you take notes it's found in chapter five verses 11 and 12 Where john says I looked and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne The living creatures and the elders and the number of them was 10 000 times 10 000 And thousands of thousands saying with a loud voice Worthy as the lamb who was slain to receive power riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing And so he says glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was And then you see in revelation that he receives that glory If there's anything the church needs to learn to do now and I'll close with this As we need to learn to worship the lord listen if If worship is boring to you and I don't think it is that's why I can say it like this Heaven isn't a place you want to go It's not a place you'd like Because heaven is filled with glorifying jesus christ heaven is a place Where we're going to be able to see him face to face Where do you ever wonder what he looks like? Do you ever wonder what his voice sounds like? Do you ever wonder those things I have? I have What does he look like? What will he sound like? What will it be like to be next to him? What will it be like to worship him?   It was also called a hi-fi There's ancient terms a lot of you don't understand And my dad would get these records and play them they were called records And he would play them On the turntable He wouldn't scratch he would just let it play And then my mom and he and their friends would dance My dad couldn't dance My dad had he used to say two left feet He couldn't dance my mom Different story My mom was quite a dancer when she was young She used to dance in dance contests. She had a lot of rhythm. She loved a strong heavy beat Mama would dance and I saw my mom dance all my life till she got ill And uh, I can still remember As kids do peeking into the front room to watch the old people partying And I would see my mom dancing And I would see my dad left foot right foot one two three four He couldn't move but my mom would dance around him She would dance literally, you know those that's that saying that good dance rings around him My mom really did that my mom would dance around my dad And my dad had this big smile in his face He would just be smiling one two left right and mom would be bouncing around And my brother and I saw that like sisters saw that as we grew up and and so when I was sharing With the people on my mom's memorial I shared how my mama used to love to dance and she would dance with my father and it hit me. I said, you know Who knows? I don't want to teach this as doctrine And certainly not but I said who knows What if they are before the throne of god worshiping him together? And what if it's okay to move to the music before the lord to move and worship him David dance before the lord with all of his might is a possible that I one day may have rhythm to And to be able to just be up there and worshiping the lord And and I began to think of what it would be like to be before the throne of god To worship and I said, you know in that place my dad's got rhythm My dad and my mom together could worship the lord together. Well, guess what guys? You know, that may be just a sentimental story and certainly it is But there are some things involved in it that mean a lot to me and that means one of these days whatever it may be Whenever it's not too far from now. It's sooner now than ever before We will see him face to face. We will worship him full throat loud volume praise It'll be a beautiful time of worship And so jesus said oh glorify me with the glory that I had with you before the world began And these men and you and I too will be able to see that one day the worship That is due to the lamb of god who was slain from the foundation of the world And our voices will be raised with joy and with praise and with thankfulness For what he did for us And so jesus is simply praying and it's a beautiful thought Glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was and one day We will see that glory We will see jesus glorified because we will be amongst those who are bringing him glory And so one of these days and it won't be long from now We will do that. Are you ready? I sure hope you are


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we are today. All right, let's skip topics and talk about Charlie Guard. You know, I don't know how many of you are following this, but this is the story of the baby of the young boy in England who has a very rare, very, very rare, I think there are only 16 cases ever of this disease, genetic disorder that is basically incapacitating his brain. It goes to the brain and it makes it impossible for the brain to properly grow. It's called mitochondrial depletion syndrome. Mitochondrial is a genetic material. Here's how it describes his situation. He can't breathe without a ventilator, move, he's deaf, he has severe epilepsy, and they are saying, again, the doctors at least are saying that he has severe brain damage. Now the parents, now he's in this British hospital, all of his treatment is being paid by the British health services because they have socialized medicine, and a decision has to be made at what point you disconnect this child from the ventilator and let him die. I mean, there's no life here for him. He's got severe brain damage. He can't breathe without the ventilator. Who wants to live that way? Why would anybody want to live that way? And of course, who's paying for it? Now, it's socialized medicine. So who gets to make that decision under socialized medicine? The hospital gets to make that decision or court, in this case, gets to make this decision of the parents. The parents don't want the child disconnected, and the parents have latched on to the idea that there's this experimental medication treatment in the United States, and they want to take the child and move him to the United States to experience this experiment. And they've actually raised the money to do it. Now, in a free market, in a completely free market, yeah, the parents would have a complete decision about what to do here. And they would decide where to take the child as long as they're paying for it. I don't think insurance companies would be willing to keep the child on the ventilator and ship him to the United States for treatment that is probably 90% plus not going to do any good. And even if it does good, it's not going to repair the brain damage the child already has. So we'll get to the moral question of whether should want to even try to save this child. But it would be it's the it's a parent's responsibility. It's it's their child, like it or not, they would go through the motions, they would pay for it, they would do whatever's necessary. One of the great evils of socialized medicine is it's not not your decision. It's not the parent's decision. It's not even the insurance company's decision. It's the government's decision. It's a court's decision. Now, what does a court got to do with this with the court has to decide how to use public money, government money, whether to keep some people alive or other people not because if you kept everybody alive all the time, the social system would run out of money. Right, would run out of money. So socialized medicine is a disaster. This isn't a good case to illustrate it though. This kid is dead. This could in my view should be allowed to die. Keeping him alive is an abomination. And at the same time, millions of people, millions of people are being harmed by socialized medicine. Millions of people are standing in lines to receive MRI or any kind of treatment. Thousands of people are not being treated with the most effective treatment for cancer or heart disease because there's not enough money in the budget and they can't pay for it themselves. The injustices committed daily on healthy adults, a constant and nobody cares. This is the great mystery, right? Nobody cares. Nobody cares about the thousands of people dying because of socialized medicine. Nobody cares about the fact that thousands or millions globally of people are not getting the best cancer and heart disease treatment because of socialized medicine. Nobody cares that people die in line waiting for the MRI. But you take one child with severe brain damage and parents who are going to do anything in their power to keep him alive and suddenly everybody cares. People are flying to England to demonstrate, to demonstrate. Why? Why is this the case that is galvanizing us? Arguably, if you cared about the child, you would argue for them disconnecting him, letting him die. You can't say that about adults. You can't say that about healthy people who are just waiting for an MRI or somebody who's got the beginning of cancer and not going to get the right treatment. That's the real evil. It's because of the altruism in our culture. It's because the more somebody is suffering, the more we got to care. The more somebody is closer to death, the more we got to care. The more they're damaged, brain damage in this case. The more we have to care. But that's upside down.  I feel horrible for parents as a parent myself. I can't imagine what they're going through. But the fact is, this kid will never have a life. This kid, no matter what the treatment does, will never have the parts of his brain that have not grown properly. Those won't come back. It's true. The court system shouldn't be deciding this. But this isn't the case on which to fight socialized medicine. This isn't the case on which to take a stand. Because I think the parents are wrong here. I think the parents should allow the hospital to let the child die. And it's only this awful, awful sense of, I don't know. I don't know what it is about us that while I do know it's this awful morality that we all live under. The worse off somebody is the more we want to jump to his defense. And note, note that President Trump has come in on this issue and the Pope, the Pope he'd expected has come in on this issue. Keep the kid alive. Keep the kid alive. Bring him to the United States. Congress has given the parents temporary residency in the United States so they can bring him without going through the visa process. Why? There are thousands, millions of people who'd love to come to the United States to get health treatment. People who could actually live a good life if they got that treatment. Why are we making this exception for this child? Why is this what is motivating us to give temporary residency for Congress to go into session in order to address this? I mean, this is just horrific. It's horrific that Congress would do such a thing. I mean, if Congress wants to pass a bill saying all the victims of socialized medicine in the world or in Great Britain or in Europe or whatever, if you want to come to the United States to get better treatment, we will give you a special visa that makes it easy for you to come into the United States to get special treatment. I'm all for that. That'd be great. Come over, get the treatment, pay for it here for everybody. But the pass a bill for one child, a child that actually probably will not be able to be helped by this treatment. And even if he is helped by this treatment, will stay crippled and cognitively deficient because his brain will never have developed enough.  But that's what these people want, I guess. That's what these altruists want. They want this kid to suffer. All right, we're going to take a break and we'll come back. Happy to get your calls. What do you think about that? I know what I'm saying is not very popular. What do you think about this Charlie God thing,<PHONE_NUMBER>? You want to defend Congress and the President for making a big deal out of this?<PHONE_NUMBER>? What would you do with Charlie God? We'll be right back after these messages. You're listening to your Ron Brooks show on the Blaze radio network. All right, we're back and we're talking about Charlie God, this poor kid who has a genetic disease that is basically destroying him. It's eating him alive.   He's not going to be able to live as a human being. Now, look, I completely agree that it should be 100% the parents' decision if they have the money to pay for it, which they do, and it shouldn't be a political issue. It shouldn't be up to the state to make these decisions. But you have Socialist Medicine. The state is making these decisions every single day. Why is this kid become the symbol, the thing that conservatives are latching onto to try to attack Socialist Medicine? This isn't a good example. The real example is every single day, people are dying because of Socialized Medicine. Every single day, people are denied choices because of Socialized Medicine. Every single day, our system is collapsing. Our healthcare system is collapsing more and more and more because because of Socialized Medicine. So Charlie God is a bad example because there's no good outcome. It's not like under private healthcare, there'd be a good outcome from this. If England had a private healthcare system, the parents would pay $1.3 million now. They've got $1.3 million to keep them alive, basically as a vegetable, I guess, and probably a suffering one. There'd be no positive outcome here, and he'd probably die. Yes, maybe they'd learn something by treating him. Maybe they'd learn something about medicine.  I agree completely with the point that it's not, it should not be the government, it should not be the hospital making these decisions in a private healthcare system. It wouldn't be. This is clearly a horrific one example of millions of examples of why Socialized Medicine is so bad.  But it's, this isn't the example and why, again, why is our president getting involved? Why isn't he denouncing Socialized Medicine every single day? Why denouncing it only with Charlie God and he didn't really denounce Socialized Medicine when he came out to show his caring about Charlie? Why is Congress getting involved? If Socialized Medicine is so bad, first of all, Congress could repeal Obamacare. That would be good. It could repeal Medicare. That would be good. Those are Socialized Medicine programs. Let's not become England. That's good. But again, this child is not an example, a good example of the true evils of Socialized Medicine. I think he's being used. He's being used, primarily by elements of the religious right all over the place. He's being used and look, the protesters outside this hospital are giving death threats to hospital administrators, giving death threats to nurses and doctors, disrupting the functioning of the hospital. I mean, where were they when, again, hundreds of people every single day are suffering because of Socialized Medicine? They didn't care.  It offends them suddenly. Why are you fighting for this life and not the lives of normal people, not the lives of healthy people? It's sad, right? It's sad. And we're not fighting for his life. They're fighting for his life to keep him alive. Do you mind? You have the typical Shiavo case. You remember the typical Shiavo case years and years ago in Florida, she was basically had been in life support for I think a couple of years, and her husband wanted to unplug her.  She was completely dead. There was nothing there. And he wanted to unplug her. And the parents didn't want it. And they actually passed the law in that Florida legislature that just applied to Terry Shiavo. Well, I just, you know, because in the name of the right to life quote, what life? What life?  What life? Disconnected. Let them die with dignity. Let let let it end. I mean, it's tragic.  But it is what it is. Sad, sad note. All right. You know, what we hear in the Yoran Book Show for freedom or for human flourishing or for individual human flourishing, the only system that provides that is freedom. And in healthcare, that freedom is necessary across the board. All right. You've been listening to another show, the Yoran Book Show. We're on the Blaze Radio Network. See you next week.