All right, so let's call the regular meeting to order. And is there any public comment items not on the agenda or additions and changes to the agenda? All right. Hearing none. As I said, we're going to open the. Board of Health hearing and then put it on hold until 730. So if anybody's here for that, and they want to leave and come back, they're welcome to do so. So I'm not sure when Susan Clark and Gus are going to show up, but Judy, you put together kind of a timeline, which was helpful. Thank you. And I know quickly, do you want to tell us about how the new phone system is? Sure. A Friday to technicians came and spent the day at the office installing the new phone system. And that went. It was challenging for them, but ultimately they succeeded. There's some very strange. Wiring in the office that we've heard about for years. And then today. Vic. I forget his last name. I don't remember his last name. I don't remember his last name. Anyways, Vic came and he. Trained Barbara and me on the phone system. And it'll take a little getting used to, but it's pretty user friendly and. And it'll make life a lot easier in terms of just some basic functions of being able to transfer calls and every, you know, every staff person having their own little voicemail place where they can call in and get their messages.  So that, that's good. A couple little snags that need to be figured out is one line is not working. And while months ago consolidated, said it was our fault or somehow internal to the system. And then RB tech couldn't confirm anything. Integrity communications confirmed that it is consolidated. So we have to go back and work with consolidated on the line for the next few months that has not been working. The other thing is. Strangely enough, I forgot one of the phones. There's a phone in the vault. And I completely forgot about that. It's kind of hidden. We've never used it. It's an emergency phone. I think if you get stuck in the vault or if there's a flood or something, I don't know. But so integrity communications will come back and connect that. I think it's, it's like a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a landline emergency phone. So they'll come back and do that. Very good. So you had put together your list. Did you want to say something about the phones? You're on mute, Cliff. Pressing the space bar was not working. Yeah. Thanks for the update, Judy. And I'll figure out a good time when I can come by and get the phone over at the town hall. I have it all packed up for you. Okay, great. And we can get all the old boxes and stuff out of there too. So those aren't taking up space. Okay. Thanks. So Judy, the board is going to meet on Saturday. To start looking at budget. And we obviously have more work to do with figuring out. How we might do town meeting. And you had sent an email from. Secretary of state's office that the temporary measures that were put in, we're going to evaporate the end of December. And I think the legislature, one of the things I think Susan will talk about is the. Legislature. I'm going to have to do something right off the bat. About town meeting, but we kind of know. What the, what the gist of all this is, is basically. Anything that we would have voted on from the floor. We'll be by Australian ballot, even though we haven't voted for Australian ballot, given the circumstances that. Right. That'll be a requirement will be, will be waived. Yeah. Right. And that we're going to have to do. One, maybe two informational meetings. Within a certain window of time. So the voters can tune in and ask questions and. Those kinds of things. Right. So we know that. How are you guys doing with getting reports. From the various groups. Good. Jay Copping just joined. I don't know if you need to tell him that it's been delayed. Jay, are you there? Yeah, we had a scheduling miscommunication. So we're not going to be doing the health officer thing till 730. Okay.  All right, I'll be here. Thanks. Okay. So go ahead, Judy. Yeah. So I'm delegated to Barbara pretty much all of the communication related to the town report, but the reports are coming in. A lot of people have met the deadline and. You know, they haven't met the deadline, but they haven't met the deadline for their reports. She's reminded people if they haven't met the deadline for their reports. Yeah, it's going up, you know, according to our plan. When so you, in a different email, you said something about. Moving the schedule up by like a week. When do we have to. It won't change. It won't change the budget. You know, the budget. You need the budget by what Sandra said, what is that? January 4th. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's early in January. I mean, soon, it's soon. So that won't change the select. I mean, the budget is the, um, the legally required, um, information that needs to be posted.  You know, extra, all the reports and, um, contacts and all the other things that we put in the, in the town report. So, um, we might, because the information meetings. You know, usually we try to get the town report out for the weekend before the town meeting to at least make sure everybody has a one weekend to read it. But if the information meetings are like. They have to be within 10 days before. If that happens to be a week earlier, we might want the mailing to go out. A week earlier. And that might just make our end of pulling all the details together and proofing it and getting it printed a week earlier. But the budget. So, um, you know, that, you know, that's kind of the same timeline because it just, there just won't be any wiggle room. There won't be like, oh, we, let's take another week to know we're going to need it because we're going to need all those numbers to absolutely line up. We're going to need the warning. We're going to put it on the ballot. So, yeah. Yeah. And the warning will be long because it's, everything is going to be on it. Right. And that will be, I mean, I can post that as soon as we have it. And then it will also be printed in the town report. I mean, one of the things is we're going to have to mail. This Australian ballot to everyone in town. And I wonder if maybe this is part of what they'll talk about. You know, where, how is that expense going to be covered? Will we mail it with the town report? Will it be a separate mailing? I think we'll have to be a separate mailing because jet service will mail our town report. And we'll do, I'm pretty sure we'll do a separate mailing because it involves special envelopes. So we'll have to be a separate mailing. So we'll have to be a separate mailing. So we'll have to be a separate mailing. There's just a little more oversight in, in, in, in terms of who is still on the checklist. It's just a little bit different. So I wouldn't want it. I don't think it can go out. It would be confusing. I think to have it all go out together. And then, and then would the ballots go in with the. Warning and how you vote on that. Do we have any. I mean, it would be just like any other election. Yeah. I mean, we still have to have a separate mailing. And then we'll have to have, we'll have every item on it. Right. It's being warned. So we'll, we'll probably have. A page that explains why it's different. This, you know, and, and it'll have an envelope. A return envelope. And, you know, it'll, and they'll have to sign it. It'll be just. For the absentees. And then of course, we'll still have March 2nd. Live. At the town office. I mean the town hall. Just because we'll still have, just like. The primary and the general people can still come. We'll have to formally decide to mail it to everybody. I think the legislature might have to vote to allow us to mail it to everybody. I think that was Jim Condeau's point. And I'm pretty sure they will. So, and I just found from the, I just got an email from the secretary of state that they are covering the cost of all the extra envelopes. We just have to order them. So we're doing an inventory to make sure we have all the envelopes we need. And we will be able to run that stuff through the tabulators that will all be handed. No, no, no, it'll be, we'll have to plan on, you know, extra people and extra time to make a hand count. It's pretty straightforward though, because most of it's probably yes or, you know, a number of a budget, yes or no, and then a person or a challenger, yeah. And it's Kellogg Hubbard Library, that amount is staying the same. Sandra said VLCT is staying the same. So some of those things aren't changing, but just the same, the Kellogg Hubbard Library is a separate item. Right, right. Barbara's also collecting the social service requests. And I think virtually all of them are staying the same, but she can give a report once we get, well, December 15th is the absolute deadline tomorrow. So then she'll be able to tell us where we stand. Okay. Anything else on all of this, Judy? You wanna make us aware of or stuff should be? In terms of what I'm thinking about for town meeting or town info. Yeah, all that, any of that that you wanna enlighten us on. We can go, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what Sue has to say. And there's Gus. Yeah. So Gus. Hi. Hi, how are ya? No big complaints from me. That's good. So we had a little bit of a scheduling issue. So we started talking about town meeting stuff, just some of the basic stuff that not even you have to worry about because we're gonna have to break at 7.30 to do our Board of Health piece. But we were just talking about, we're gonna have to have these informational meetings within, there's a certain window of time to do the informational meetings. 10 days. Yep. So do you have any thoughts or any questions or anything like that for us? I don't think so. I mean, I know there's been some discussion about whether to delay town meeting. I think you've been given the authority to do it by Australian ballot. I don't know the ups and downs of what a delay would mean from a budget perspective and getting the year started. And I'm not sure we'll have enough people vaccinated if we get to May or June. You think the idea with May or June was that you could actually probably hold town meeting outside. That was, I think they're thinking. Yeah. And I know there are communities, I think Barry Town has their meeting in May, but I think you the select board have to figure out whether that and the staff need to figure out whether that works for you in terms of all the things you're trying to put into motion. My feeling is we should keep it at the same date that we usually have it and not move it around. I think people will get really confused. And if we can pull it all together with doing everything by Australian ballot, I think my opinion is we should just go for it. Yeah, I think probably people fear that once you go to Australian ballot, you don't get back to town meeting. And I do think there's a value to that, but I also not sure that the delay is gonna help that issue. Yeah, and if it's only for a one-time thing, we would not have a choice, but to go back the next year and do it the way we usually do it. Yeah. And hopefully by then COVID would be history somewhat. Well, hopefully. Yep. So we were just talking with Judy about the timing of getting reports in and things like that. When does the town, so when would the town report have to get mailed out, Judy, to cover all these bases, you know? I don't have a calendar right in front of me, but we usually mail it so that people have it like the weekend before. Yeah. Town meetings on March 2nd. So we would usually probably the jet service would be mailing it like a week before that. So we would try to do, it'll need to be like mid-February if we're gonna have an informational meeting where people already have the, yeah. So it's pretty quick. So would they already have their ballots then they'd have their town report and the ballots before the informational meeting? Because how would they know? Right. Right. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have that calendar right in front of me. Yeah, I have to wait a certain amount of time to make sure people have their petitions or have, you know, there's a mid-January deadline and then the warning has to be out, I think by January, it's all pretty tight January 31st. And then we'd need to make sure, I have to wait on some things before we can make the warning and before we can make the ballots. Right, yeah. I'm looking at what you had sent out. Okay, so do you feel like you guys are okay? Yeah, we'll be able to work it out. Yeah, we'll just, we'll nail down those dates. I don't think it really changes anything for the select board. The budget is what you folks need to focus on and nail. Yeah. So the warning and the ballots can have that bottom line number of what people are voting on both for highway and for the general budget. And are you working on the warning? Well, I thought I would, you know, draft one with blank spot that we can fill in. Okay. Okay, there's Susan. Hi, Susan. Are you there? Can you hear us? Yep, I'm here. Okay, very good. So anyways, we had a little bit of a scheduling dilemma with timing of stuff. So we have to break at 730 to do a board of health hearing. What can you tell us in a nutshell what's going on? Well, some of you probably seen the stuff that the League of Cities and Towns and various articles in the newspaper and whatnot, but I think basically Vermont Towns kind of have two main choices. You can, well, maybe three. You can have your town meeting as you normally would in March, but you're going to have to do it, you know, in accordance with the health guidelines, which are going to be really, really hard to, we don't know what they were going to be in March, but if the meeting were held today, well, if the meeting were held today, you couldn't hold the meeting. So that's one option, but you could postpone the meeting and that power is likely to be given to Towns in a bill that legislators say they're going to rush through and get signed on the very first few days of this session. So, and that seems, from all the conversations that I've heard with the chairs of committees and whatnot, that seems really likely to pass. Or a third option is to just switch to Australian ballot. As you know, the select board has that ability just for one year only because of special legislation that was passed at the end of the session last year. So you guys could switch everything to Australian ballot and run the election in March. And there are some variations on that that some Towns are looking at. And I've also talked with Towns in Massachusetts. I even had a conversation with a Swiss official who, because Switzerland is the other place besides New England that has town meetings, where they've been doing things like holding meetings in really, really large spaces in order to accommodate health guidelines, socially distanced within a large bill of rooms, or the idea of switching to the later in the spring would be that you could possibly hold a meeting outside so that you could, and a lot of Swiss meetings are held outside. So that's yet another possibility. But obviously the simple one is simply to switch to Australian ballot for one year only. Right, and it would automatically revert back to the way we used to do it provided we're over this crisis. So I have a question then. You know how at the beginning of town meeting, you elect a moderator? Obviously you can't do that. So does that go on the ballot? I mean, because Gus would be helping with the informational meetings, right? That's up to you. An informational meeting is different from a town meeting. An informational meeting that proceeds an Australian ballot vote is actually a meeting of the select board. So it would be, it's not run like a town meeting, it's for, I mean, you can run it, it uses Robert's rules the way your select board does, but it is, you would run it the way you would run a public hearing. So a lot of towns that do use Australian ballot and have informational meetings do ask their moderators to run the informational meeting. So that's your prerogative if you want to as a select board. And you would still, any elections can't happen. For example, if you have an informational meeting like this, a Zoom meeting, you can't have an election. You can't make binding decisions. And so I think your moderator is moderator until the next meeting. Yeah, I mean, I think we would probably want Gus's help in running informational meetings if he's willing. But Judy had a question. Well, just a statement. I mean, we elect our moderator for a year and that would mean that he could automatically be the moderator for the next town meeting or any town meetings we might, special meetings we might have once we can start meeting. So it might be worth voting him in for the year. Right, so we'd have to put it on the ballot. Right. Right, okay. That sounds right to me. I mean, that makes sense, but a lot of times legal stuff doesn't make sense. So sherry lawyers. What else, Susan, are you hearing or learning? I mean, are some towns electing to postpone until the nice of weather so they can hold it outside? Yeah, well, when I attended a meeting that was basically a think session of the House and Senate government operations committees and all they managed to pass at the end of the session last year was that bill that said towns can switch to Australian ballot. They have lots of other ideas, but that's what they were able to agree on and go and get through. And this time, I think they've heard from towns, they mentioned the town of Kirby, they mentioned the town of Dumberston as two places that really wanted to the option of being able to postpone their meeting. So I think that there are some towns that have that energy and that interest that will pursue it. But I don't know. I mean, most of the towns, I mean, this is just anecdotal. I've just talked to some folks and it's obviously pretty tempting just to go to Australian ballot for when you're because it's just, we just don't know anything about COVID and what an outside meeting would look like. And the reluctance, of course, is you wanna be very, if you do make this decision, you'd wanna be really, really clear with your citizens that this is one time only and we'll see you next year, you know? I mean, literally you only have the ability, the legal ability to change it for one year, but there's also just setting up a precedent and setting expectations and I think it would be important to communicate. Yeah, I mean, I think this is, the legislature only granted it for just this one year. That's right. So if we were gonna continue to have Australian ballot, we'd have to go through that whole process another year. The decision to switch to Australian ballot has to be made by the method that, you know, if you were gonna switch to Australian ballot, you would have to make it on, if you were gonna do that in a future year, you'd have to make that decision from the floor. Right, so Jim's on because he's waiting for us to do our Board of Health. Jim, do you have any comments or thoughts, questions? Well, there we go. Can you hear me now? Yep. I'm just hearing anecdotally, my clients are generally the consensus is to go for Australian ballot voting this year, get through the year and see what happens next year. One concern that I've had about delaying town meeting is that what happens if we delay it till June for, let's say, but in June, we still can't hold a meeting. And then our fiscal year starts on July 1st. We don't have a budget, we can't set a tax rate. We've set back the clock or shot ourselves in the foot. So everyone I've talked to is just gonna bite the bullet and do Australian ballot. Yeah, that would be my concern is the budget. If you don't do it till May or June, it'd be problematic. And even if we could do it outdoors, the vision of having an outdoor meeting in the middle of black fly season might not be the most fun. Good point, Gus. Come on, Gus, we're hardy Vermonters. It could be a way to get the Adiment Black Fly Festival going again. There you go. And we could all have nets and masks still. It might help us avoid some long-winded discussions. There you go. Does anybody else have any questions or thoughts? We're obviously not completely all set in stone here, but it sounds like we're going in the direction of doing a bi-Australian ballot, holding it on the time that we normally would and for the schedule. My questions are, my questions, every question I'm thinking of relates to what's the process for deciding? Is there a timeline for deciding and announcing to the town and then within that process, then we... Do we have to vote to do this, in other words, right? Well, yeah, vote and then, and then as Susan just mentioned, the thoughtful communication about, because there will be people who will have to explain why this is the best option over each of the other options. Yeah, stuff like that. What's our process? So do we need to vote to do this, Susan or Jim or Gus? I think you do. Yes, it would be a decision that you would make as a select board. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was reading through some of the VLCT stuff that sounds like that's what has to happen, the select board needs to vote and make that decision. Okay, yeah. The VLCT thing with the Q&A was really pretty helpful. Yes. They've got a lot of great materials and it's a growing supply of materials.  If you switch to us, Charlie Mallett, they have a workshop coming up to tell people how to do that. That's right, I saw that. Gus, you were gonna say something else before? No, I was just gonna ask if we're scheduling informational meetings, just be good to know when you wanna schedule them for. Yeah, that's a good point because we're gonna need to know, yeah, good point. And that may also have an impact on like when the town report goes out and although that may, I don't know how much that can be moved up earlier. So people have that information in advance. Yeah. Cliff? I was only glancing through the thing, but as I recall in the VCLT materials, I think the informational meetings have to be held within 10 days of the actual town meeting day. Yeah, they do. So there's a window there that we have to figure out when we're gonna, we first need to vote on the process of how we're gonna do town meeting. And then we need to look at scheduling the informational meetings within that 10 day window and then how soon to send the material out, the town report, the warning and ballot items. I wonder if you can make the warning, can you make the warning the ballot so they can vote on just that one? So you say, I'm picturing like the warning with the highway budget, general budget and a box that says yes or no. And it's all one document. So it's not so many pieces of paper. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Judy? Well, a warning is a separate piece that kind of says hear ye, hear ye. And then the ballot is something with boxes that people X and have very specific directions on how to vote. So they need to be two different pieces of paper. I mean, if we do get really tight on the publishing because our annual report has gotten to be a very sophisticated art piece almost. We could really strip it down and send out the budget, the warning and a little, this is why we're doing it this year.  I'd have to think hard about having that all the ballots all in there. Maybe that would be a way to go. I'd have to think about that. Yeah, because if we could put the warning in the town report like we usually do and then have the ballot as a separate. Well, yeah, the warning has to go on the website.  And don't you, if you don't, if you mail it out within a certain amount of time then you don't have to post, you don't have to publish the whole warning in the paper. Right, yeah, if you meet your deadline that avoids putting it in the paper. And it's not a good idea to do that. People don't really read papers anymore. No, they don't. Okay, last few minutes comments. I'm not sure how much amendment you guys are used to seeing in Calis and others, but people will need to understand that an informational meeting is just that and that the difference between a floor meeting and an Australian ballot, you know, afterwards people are gonna say, oh, Australian ballot, it was so easy and we got way more voters. Why don't we always do it this way? And one of the downsides is that they voters lose their power to amend. There is no ability to amend. That's a really good point. So how do you, so because you can't do amendments, your vote is either yes or no, right? Right, Paul Gillis used to say that you have a super limited vocabulary. The voters vocabulary is limited to yes or no. That's it. Good point. Well, that certainly will make it so things go faster. People can, I mean, at an informational meeting, they can say lots of things, but nobody's finding it. Yeah. And the informational meeting comes after the everything is sent, right? It's really answering questions to inform the yes or no vote. Right. Yeah. And are we, do we, how many informational meetings do we need to do? And then the question is how many do we wanna do? You know the answer, Susan? I think you only have to do one. Jim, maybe, or maybe Judith knows. I believe that you, an Australian ballot requires one informational meeting, but, you know, and it could be the kind of thing that was recorded and people could see it later, maybe if they missed it, or you can have to I like the idea of recording it and having it so people could tune in. Even if we had more than one, we can always post them, the recordings. Denise, I just wanted to make you aware of the time. My clock says 7.32. Yeah. Thank you, Rose. Well, we're not done, obviously, discussing all of this. So if you think of anything, Gus or Susan, we may have more questions and I'm sure we'll be asking Jim questions. So if everybody's good, we'll move on to our Board of Health. Okay, thank you. All right, thank you so much, Susan. Bye, Gus. Thank you so much for inviting me. How can you be here? Thank you. Take care. So I am, I have recused myself from this topic, folks, for various reasons. And in keeping with proper small town recusal, I'm actually gonna step away from the conversation and leave you all to have it without my presence. And I do ask that somebody just let me know. You can text me, can somebody text me when this part of the meeting is over so I can rejoin? Cliff, do you have that ability? Yeah, what number can I text you at, Sharon?<PHONE_NUMBER>. 595-5888. I'm going to put you into the waiting room as well as you're stepping away.  All right, thanks. Thank you, Sharon. Okay. So I am going to call the Board of Health meeting to order. This is regarding Mary Ann Truman at 1238 Light Language Road. And Cliff has documents he can call up. Ms. Truman was served with a notice about this hearing. Jay is here. But I'm going to ask anybody that wants to speak in regard to this matter, or if anybody tunes in later, they'll need to take the oath as well. So I don't believe the select board needs to be sworn in, but Wilson and Jay, I'm going to ask you to raise your right hand. Okay. Jay, do you have your hand up? I do. Okay. So the oath under the pains and penalties of perjury, do you solemnly swear that the evidence you give and the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Please answer, either say yes or I do. I do. Yes, okay. We barely hear you, Jay. How about now? Okay. That's better. All right. So let's take this from the top. Cliff, can you call up? The health officers report, please. Okay. Stand by, please. And Katie, can we note, Katie, for the record, that Ms. Truman has not yet tuned in when she was given notice of the hearing? So I'm not sure what's the best way to do this to keep it simple and timely. Jay, do you want to give us a quick review of what you've done to date? And Jim, feel free to weigh in. Okay. I'd also just like the record to reflect that Ms. Truman did reach out to you today, Denise, by email. Yes. And you did let her know when she could participate in this proceeding this evening. And you did send to her the Zoom instructions on how to connect. So let's just make sure that that also gets in the record. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. So I think everybody has read this and had an opportunity to. So Jay, do you want to give us a quick concise rundown? Yeah, sure. So I'll try to be brief with it. Initially, there was an early August a request from the upstairs tenant who was no longer there for inspection based on some concerns at that time. So that inspection took place and the downstairs tenant Truman also consented to have an inspection of her apartment at that time. And then a follow-up was requested by Mr. Lilly early October, at which time I think some documents went out to Ms. Truman to allow us to do that. She was given the proper notices and myself, Mr. Lilly and Wilson went over to the apartment on the 30th of October. You can see this report here. And we did that inspection. So to quickly back up in early August when I inspected the basement apartment there was a fair amount of clutter in the apartments. But you could still move around. There was mildew, some staining on the ceilings in the bathroom and some pretty unsanitary conditions unsanitary conditions in the kitchen which on the October 30th inspection, the kitchen was still cluttered. There weren't the flies present in the sink there were on the first time. However, the bathroom was worse in terms of the mildew, the mold, the stain, healing and just general conditions. If anyone has seen the photos they can see what that looks like. The second concern was more from a fire safety standpoint, a couple of things where the apartment was much more cluttered on the 30th of October than it was on the 19th of August making it really difficult to navigate throughout the rooms of the apartment including significant difficulty in getting in and out of the master bedroom. We did not go in there you could see from the doorway in our photos of that. There's a smoke detector missing from above one of the bedrooms. I can't say for when that was removed. I don't know if Ms. Truman removed that between August and October. Or if it indeed wasn't there when she moved in. So less concern with current tenant having to remove that. And I think Mr. Lilly at one point told me he's happy to replace or place molten carbon monoxide detectors in that apartment. There is one detector at the rear of the apartment above the door that leads to the back entrance. So there's one total detector in the entire apartment. So a couple of the concerns are one that there's an adult down in the basement. Obviously there are two children down there. There were and there may be tenants in the upstairs. So with a real lack of one state address from that basement apartment, two lack of smoke and carbon monoxide detectors. And three concerns of mold, even though it may be if an expert were to look at it, which I'm certainly not would say this is a huge concern or it's not a huge concern or requires some minimal cleaning. But those are the concerns. The clutter, the unsanitary conditions, especially the bathroom, the lack of detectors. When we were in there on the 30th, Ms. Truman was not there, but she did come at the end of the inspection and requested that we leave, which we did, we were done with the inspection at that point. I tried to return later on. Don't recall what date that was for a follow-up and she did not allow us. I think that was the 13th of November, actually. Did not allow myself or a constable, he was to enter without a warrant. So we didn't proceed to do anything at that point. And there's been nothing since documents that Jim has drawn up for us in terms of an intent to seek the health order, asking that these conditions be mitigated to the best of their abilities and move on from that point. So those are the, in the initial, one of the big reasons that Mr. Lilly asked for that follow-up inspection started with a large amount of trash outside the door of the basement apartment, which I had seen myself on a drive by at one point. Mr. Lilly did remove that trash himself and clean that area up and place it up by the roadside. So the landlord took care of that. But I saw later on that there was trash again starting to gather outside and overflowing a little bit on the inside of the apartment. So that's the nutshell. So Jim, the sheriff, you have confirmation that Ms. Truman received notice you have confirmation from the sheriff that that was delivered? Yeah, she was served with a notice of intent to seek a health order and a copy of the proposed health order and a copy of Jay's report. I believe it was Thursday of last week. I haven't received the return of service, but I got a telephone call from the sheriff telling me that he had served her deputy sheriff. So that means that she actually took the envelope or whatever it was in hand? Yep. Okay. Did she have a certain amount of time to respond to that or not? This hearing is her opportunity to respond to that. Okay. Do you have anything else to add, Jim? No, we've got it. Part of the materials that were given to you were proposed health order. Yeah. I think what Jay's asking for is relatively straightforward. He's asking in order that all trash, recyclables and food scraps be removed from the apartment and properly disposed, that the bathroom, kitchen, laundry, bedrooms and large living space be cleaned in a general sanitary condition and any visible mold or mildew be removed. He'd mentioned earlier about mold in the bathroom in the apartment and that all personal belongings not disposed of should be located so that egress from the apartment is not impeded. There was the general concern about just clutter in the apartment and if there were a fire or a reason to have to leave the apartment rapidly or quickly, some of that stuff could actually block the egress from the apartment. So to get that stuff straightened out. It's not a big lift to get this taken care of but that's just basically what that would be the order. I think a deadline of perhaps by the end of the year, December 31st would be appropriate given we've got the intervening holidays, some time to get the work done. We might also wanna add in the health order to an opportunity for Jay to go back to the apartment and reinspect to confirm that the order has been complied with. Yeah, I would think he'd have to do something like that so we know that she has complied with the order. Now what happens if she refuses? We'll have to deal with that when it comes up. I think that I would add that one of the things we would emphasize, especially if Mariana were present at this meeting is that this isn't a vendetta. This is a health concern for her and two children that are there, a health concern for and a fire safety concern for anybody living above them. You would always hope that there wouldn't be a fire of any kind and there's also a responsibility if they were to look through the statutes. For tenants to take care of a place as they should and not cause it to be in a situation where it's in violation of the health code or presenting a potential safety issue for themselves or others, you know, those are my concerns. And again, it's not a vendetta. I did an inspection initially in August at the behest of the tenants. I did the second inspection at the behest of the landlord. You know, we do whichever anybody wants and try to keep all parties happy and communicating. And ultimately we're concerned for safety and doubly concerned myself as a firefighter for children in the home. We don't want anybody to be hurt. We don't want anybody to be ill for being in a situation during a pandemic that's untenable for them. Yeah. Now I did see something somewhere in these documents about there was no sign of rodents or bugs or anything like that, correct? Yeah, I didn't know it. You know, I didn't do a close inspection of the bedding in there. There was a pet of some sort. We didn't look into the cage. It's a small cage. I don't know if it's a chinchilla or, you know, something else in there. I had spoken with the fire marshal's office and they would take on to any inspection. You know, they are concerned as well about the inspection and then they would want to be part of the next inspection to just look at the overall apartment building, the, you know, especially the basement as well as the upstairs and, you know, just make sure there are no violations on the part of tenant or landlord and make sure again that it's a safe environment. So the fire marshal I have been in touch with and he would be part of any inspection that we can set up in the future. That's been one of the difficulties is getting allowance to come in to the apartment to do any inspections. She hasn't, the tenant has not validated our authority to do that as health officers or fire marshal's and somehow we need to get beyond that. So, Jim, I got a couple of questions with regard to that. And do we put in the order that the fire marshal wants to be involved in further inspection? I think that we let the fire marshal know when Jay would be returning to do a follow-up inspection. But the town of Callis doesn't enforce the life safety code of the state of Vermont. So I'm very reluctant to include in an order any provision that says that the fire marshal has to be included in an inspection. It is one of the sort of difficulties of this is that part of Jay's inspection responsibilities include things that are within the state's life safety code that the town through the Board of Health can enforce. So we had this sort of dual jurisdiction going on. We have to coordinate- Did you say can't enforce or care? Cannot, yes. We don't have the authority to enforce. So we have this sort of dual jurisdiction going on and sort of efforts to coordinate but we can't enforce the state's life safety code is part of this Board of Health process. It rose, Cliff, questions, comments? Everything seems to be pretty much in order. I appreciate Jay doing the legwork here. Give us a good idea of what's going on and thanks Wilson for helping out as well. No other questions. Thank you, Jim, for your overview. Rose? Yeah, I just want to say, echo what Cliff just said. Thank you, Jay, for your efforts and Jim as well and a fire would just be so tragic. So this is a serious issue and hopefully it will be resolved soon. Okay, yes, and thank you. I know this has been very time consuming and a huge learning curve. So I really appreciate all that you've done, Jay and Jim's health and Wilson. Thank you for being back up. So what is the process now? The tenant hasn't appeared. It sounds like we're all in agreement. So the Board of Health would now make a motion to approve the proposed health order? Yes, and I think you'd want to perhaps with a slight modification of the proposed health order to include a date of a follow-up inspection by Jay. Okay? Okay, so I would make that motion including the date of follow-up inspection. Would anybody like to make a second? Before second, I would propose an amendment, friendly amendment that we authorize the select board and chair to sign on behalf of the entire select board. Yeah, the board, it's the Board of Health, right? Yes. On behalf of the Board of Health. I'll second the motion. Okay, have we done things procedurally correctly, Jim? I think you're looking good. All right, so let's vote on it. So you have to put a date in there? We will fill in all the blanks rows. Dot our I's and cross our T's before it's signed. Thank you. You're welcome. All right, so you're ready to vote? Rose? Aye. I'm an aye. Cliff? Aye. Okay, so I guess we're done. I will thank you folks. We'll work on it. Yep, I will take the proposed health order, make a couple of minor modifications to it to include a date and send that to you and you can get that signed and we'll get it out. How does that get delivered to her? Is that by sheriff again? We're gonna have to see. Statue doesn't actually specify how it gets delivered. So we might, we'll have to look into it. Okay. Okay. Wilson, did you wanna say something?  Yes, there are two children that live in that apartment and I believe they're in danger. Okay. I think that's been a, relayed to the appropriate state officials, correct? Yep. Okay. Thank you, Wilson. I'm glad you're concerned. All right. I guess that ends our, do we need to make a motion to adjourn the Board of Health? Sure. Why don't you go ahead and do that? Okay, so I'll make that motion. Is there a second? Second. Second. Okay. Okay, Rose, you wanna vote? Aye. I'm an aye. Cliff? Aye. All right. Thank you all. Again, thank you, team. Thank you. What a great effort to get this done. Okay. Thank you very much. I will be in touch tomorrow, Denise. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Bye all. Thank you. Take care. Bye. Bye. Ping and Sharon to bring her back in. Okay. I think I'm going to exit unless I am needed for something that you see on the agenda. Well, I can't think of anything at the moment. Did you have any parting words, Madam? Am I the madam? Yes, you are. I'll just let you know that the website designing, I'm going back and forth with the consultant and working on that. So that's beginning to move. Yay. All the pieces of equipment have been ordered that are part of the grant and we're arranging pickup and delivery and all of that. So I think we've moved ahead on the grant purchases. And I think that was a real effort, wasn't it? Yeah. Teamwork. Again, a lot of these projects are teamwork. And I'll, Denise, out of a public meeting, I'll work with you on sort of the timing of and drafting of the warning and all of that for town information meeting dates and all of that will work on that. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Have a good evening. All right, is Sharon back? Not yet. I need to step away for a minute because I'm not getting decent cell reception. I got to move closer to my point because the text isn't going through. So I'll be right back. Okay.  Hey, Bill Powell, are you there? Yes, Denise and select board and others. I am here. Okay. Were you joining us for something that we need to talk about or? No, just general, pure and insurance. Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, I guess I'll go get my water while we're waiting. Hi, everybody. Hi, Sharon. Denise stepped away to go get a glass of water. She'll be right back. Sharon, long time no see. Hey guys. Okay. I'm going to put you on mute because there's music blaring in the background here and actually I'm going to step away and go turn it off. Okay. So we don't have any updates. Judy gave us some updates while Sharon's doing that. We need to sign the George Road grant reimbursement form. And it looks like from the form that I don't know why, but they want everybody to sign this. So I would propose that you authorize me to sign it. And I list everybody's names on the form. Does that make sense? It's just so we can get our money back from the George Road grant. That's fine. Okay. So would somebody like to make that motion? I move that we authorize Denise to sign the George Road paperwork on behalf of the entire select board and list the board members' names on the paper. I can. Okay. Let's vote on that. Rose. Hi. Sharon. Hi. Cliff. Hi. Okay. And I'm an eye. Thank you. I'll get that right out tomorrow. Okay. Next up, and I'm going to turn the reins over to Sharon to talk about the East Cal's community trust no removal and agreement. If Cliff, would you call that up? And go ahead, Sharon. Hey guys. I saw Mark here a second ago. He's there. There you go.  And then we'll go around and ask if the board has questions. So I tried to keep this simple. It's in the form of a letter agreement, but it's a contract. And it basically the idea, I really wanted to put two things in this. One is make it really flexible. Basically, I wanted to give the town total discretion. You know, if the road commissioner, if it's a huge snowstorm and he can't get to it, he can't get to it. You know, it's, in fact, probably no one will get to get the food. But that's why I put in that, yes, that the town before deliveries, the town in its sole discretion will cause the removal of the snow from the area right in front of the porch. And if for any reason the town determines that it would be an undue burden, it can suspend the removal and just has to tell us. And we indemnify the town and hold it harmless. And I wanted to also make it clear because I think that was an important thing for the select board and for good reason. You know, the select board wanted to make it clear that this is not a kind of common thing that it would do, that it's doing it because of the COVID emergency and because of the real need for callous residents because of the COVID emergency. And so I put in the whereas is that, you know, the town general, while the town generally limits snow removal to public thoroughfares, the pandemic constitutes a unique situation that can create a substantial increase in the number of callous residents who serve, suffer from food insecurity. So, and that in fact, the closure of the stores exacerbated that by creating a food desert. So that's all it is really. It's a one-time thing and I try to keep it simple, but I'm happy to answer any questions or respond to any comments. Is that Sharon what you wanted? Yes. And I will start by asking, I lost my gallery view. Assuming you're all still there somewhere. Rose, do you have questions? I don't have any questions. I thought it's thorough. It's very well written and I support the effort. It's, we're in a pandemic and food insecurity is real. And just like Mark said, with the store closed, that even compounds the matters. So I generally wholeheartedly support this. I think it's a great idea. Cliff? Yeah, just trying to understand the duration of the agreement. The way I wrote it, Cliff, I just, I don't know. I don't think, and help me out Denise, are you there? I'm here. Yeah, my impression is that this isn't gonna last that. The food distribution isn't gonna go on forever, right? Yes, why am I ECCT? Pat, it's likely to run out the end of December unless the federal government does something to provide additional funding. If they do, then we hope we can continue to do this. I mean, I'd like to see us, if I would like to see us be a distribution point for these people. So at the most it would last over the winter. But the way I wrote it is, it's just effective when we sign it and that anybody can either of us can just terminate the agreement with seven days notice by email or a phone call. Okay, that makes it clearer. Thank you. I think to that point, I was gonna say a couple of points of clarification. Mark, when you were speaking, you mentioned one time and when you say one time, you are, you're really talking about this season, right? Yeah, this winter season. This winter season. So I think for that purpose, I might ask if you would amend and how do folks feel about this, amend it to say for the, you know, for the 20, for the 2021 winter season. So that that part is really right now. How about the agreement is effective on execution by both parties with a duration through the 2020, 2021 winter season. Yes, thank you. That does do it. And then the other thing that occurs to me is when you're gonna notify the town, I think notifying the town is fine, but select board, I think what we want is to delegate the receipt of that notice to Alfred as road commissioner to coordinate plowing. Am I right about that? Okay. Yes. Through the road conditioner. Yeah, or you don't have to, but that's- Why don't we do that? Just to- Sure. Just so whoever has the letter says, I called the treasurer. I don't know why I didn't get, yeah. But that's- Sharon didn't answer the phone. Okay. We'll notify the town through the road commissioner. Okay. Yeah, Alfred will be on first. So we're delegating, I think in this conversation, we are, we are asking, we will be delegating the receipt of that communication to him. We don't have to be involved in that. Right. Okay. Mark, thank you very much for doing this and getting it back to us. Who would you like to have it, should I put by anybody in particular in terms of who signs for the town? I will sign as the vice chair and I will ask as we vote for the members of the board to include an emotion that I sign as long as everyone's okay with that. Your name's on here. Okay. And Katie, could you capture it to do for Denise or one of us to follow up with Alfie and make sure he understands the terms of the agreement? I'll do that. I will send that to him tonight. Thanks, Sharon. Okay.  Mark, if Alfred has questions, are you the point person? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I can talk to him. And will you? Denise, either of us is fine. Okay. So either Mark or Denise in her capacity as ECC board member. Right. ECCT. Okay. All right, did we hit everything that we needed to on this one, guys? I think so. I think so. Okay. Any motion to sign the letter that Mark has presented to us with the changes we've discussed and the signature coming from me on behalf of the board? Is there that motion? So move. All second. Okay. Any other discussion? Looking around the black screens. Okay. All in favor. Rose, I'll start with you. Aye. Cliff. Aye. And I'm an aye. Sharon, are you Sharon at, what is it? It's a callous SB. We're all the same formula. C-A-L-A-I-S-S-B. So two S's. Sharon. Sharon. So it's the same as mine, Mark, except for substitution. Sharon, callous Sharon at. No, callous SB. Sharon, callous SB. Sharon. S-H-A-R-O-N at gmail.com. Got it. Okay. It's coming right to you. Okay, thank you. And I'll actually would know, I'll sign it and I'll, what do you call it? I'll scan it and send you the scan. Perfect. All right. That sounds excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, take care everyone. Have a good evening. Yeah, thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. Yeah, sure, my pleasure. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right. Let's talk about the Brookfield Generator Contract. We've got the Brookfield Generator Contract sent to us indicating and asking us to pay the entire bill. Last season we paid half and we asked the school to pay half. So I would propose that we have a discussion about that and see what people think. Rose, comments? I think I remember last year that we decided just to pay the whole thing because we're all kind of the same pot of money. That's what I remember. We used to split it with the school. Katie's shaking her head. But I think last year we decided just pay the whole thing. That may be true last year. I know other years we have split it and I tried to do some research on it. I didn't have much luck doing a minute's search. And I asked Sandra, Denise, what is, before we go further, can somebody orient me? What's the Brookfield Generator for? The Brookfield Generator, we have one at the town office and one at the school. And they get serviced, I think we signed up for twice a year to have the contract and then to have the generator serviced. And it's used if there's a power outage. For instance, let's say there's a power outage this way the school can keep functioning. And it's also the school is our shelter if there's an issue and we need to open up a shelter. So I think I put in, I think I sent an email that Sandra had mentioned a couple of things and I think it's in the folder for tonight. Do you see it, Cliff? You're on mute, Cliff. Hang on, I'm looking at the agreement seeing if there's anything else in there. Because I did follow up with Sandra and asked her about payments. Yeah, and it might have something to do with the unified school district. That's why we just paid it instead of going through the unified school district. Yeah, here's the email from Sandra. In 2018, we paid the towns and the schools in full. 2019, we paid only the towns. So what's the worst thing that happens if we authorize only the towns half? And they have to pay the other half. They, the school, through. Right, right. And what's the mechanism through which that happens? We vote on it and we let them know that we're paying half and that it's their responsibility to pay the other half. That sounds like a good start. Yeah. Would that be a motion? I make the motion that we approve, is it literally half, just half? We just cut it in half. Yes, and the final. Well, first, we have to decide, do we want it annually or two visits a year? That would be the first piece that we have to decide. And then second, I would think we would want two separate motions, maybe, that the town agrees to pay half and send the invoice for the remaining half to the school district. I don't know anything about generators, but they must involve gas. Yep, they have to. And if it's like my neighbor's generator, it comes on as a check-in every once a week. And I think the one at the town office does that automatically. It's an automatic check-in, but they come and service it probably, it probably has oil, so maybe they have to change the oil, you know, that kind of stuff. I think they're run on propane. Stuff that runs on any fuel makes me nervous. I would say, that's not a mechanical opinion. That's an emotional opinion twice a year. Yeah. So is that a motion to sign the contract choosing the program two, which is two visits a year? Does anybody, Bill Powell's on, Mr. Energy? No. Sharon, that's a flattery, I assume. But in this case, I guess my reaction is, first to set the fuels properly, it's propane. And if Denise says it's an auto transfer start, that's significant. I know the school one is, I don't know about the town hall, town office. You know, what's the question, Sharon? I don't mean to duck. I'm looking for what it is that you're looking for my opinion on, please. We were presented with the question of how many times a year should we have these guys serviced? And I said, from an emotional place, more is better. Well, reaction, it really, more than anything, it depends on the warranty that comes with the generator that some warranties require that this service be done. I don't think it's a big deal with propane units. It's much more of a deal with diesel or gasoline, my opinion. There are oils, one at the school for sure is an auto transfer start, meaning when the grid goes down, it starts. And so those have oil pans and batteries that need to be maintained. And so that's a higher level of maintenance than would be something that someone has to press a button on or something like that. And again, I'm not familiar specifically with the town office one. That may have the same requirements. So if that were the case, it would be a good idea, protect your investment. There's really not a lot to do besides change oil and the amount of oil changes as a function of how many run hours per year. And I can't give you the hours of outage per location, but it's not a big deal. That's something the board would like to get. I can provide you with how many hours, where the co-op is down, and therefore the unit would be running, that might be. And there's always an hour meter right on the machine to tell you how long it's running. Yeah, I don't know that we need all that detail, but historically we've done twice a year. Cliff? Yeah, another point to be aware of in the contract. If you go with the twice a year inspection, the state inspection cost is, which is mandated by the state is incorporated into that charge for the twice a year servicing. If you opt for the once a year servicing, then you pay an additional $100 per unit for the state inspection. Yep. Thank you, Bill, for your input. That was good to know. I know that the one at the town office, I believe it's set up the same way it's on propane. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's an auto start. Yeah, yeah, because I've been there when it used to come on once a week. And the difference in price for people who are playing along at home and watching our movie is $5.99 or yeah, $5.99 or $5.69 if you pay early for program number one, and that's the annual service and $8.98 or $8.53 if you pay early on the two visits. So the Delta is $300. All right, and $200 of that $300 is the state annual certificate or inspection. Yeah, seems totally worth it to me. Yeah. I had a point. Am I on mute or not? No, you're on mute. Yeah, you're good, go ahead. On both pages of this contract, it says that price is quoted applied in the following callus from a municipal building. And that's what it says on both pages. And so I don't know if that's an error that they meant on one page it should say the municipal building and on the other page it should say the callus elementary school or are they just gonna send us one of these and then they're sending the school district the other one. I think what they mean, I think that they're including this school as a municipal building. Oh, okay. This is the similar contract to what we've gotten in previous years. And they both say municipal building? I believe so, I'd have to go back and look. Yeah. Okay. Oh, but so the prices are per unit. Right. Okay. Okay. Right, because the total invoice is four. I just had it a second ago. It seems like it was $1,700 maybe. Let me find it and I can tell you. No, that's okay, Denise. It's just double the numbers here. Right, yeah. So I will make a motion now. I make a motion that we approve for both for our, for one device, for one unit at the two-year plan, twice a year maintenance program. Is there anything else I have to include in that? For the town office building. For the town office building that we authorized Denise to sign on behalf of the board. Second. Okay. Any further discussion or questions? All right, Rosie, ready to vote? Sure. I. I'm an I, Sharon. I. With. Right, okay. So we're done with that. Thank you, folks. And we're, and so then who specifically says so Katie can capture our two dues? Who is going to let the school know that it's their job to pay the other one? I am going to communicate with Sandra. I think she has a contact there. It might be Sandy Savard. I'm not sure who sent out the email wanting us to pay the school share. I think it might have been her. I'd have to double check. Oh, I missed that. So actually that request. Yeah. Not just so we got the bill. Okay. Katie's got her hand up. Katie. I just wanted to make sure I captured it correctly because at first there was a discussion about having the motion include the half part, but I wrote Sharon when Fanon made a motion that the board approved the contract for one unit maintenance at the year, at the twice yearly maintenance program for the town office building and to authorize the chair to sign on behalf of the board. Is that correct or does the motion need to include anything about the half split? The half is one unit instead of two. Got it. Okay. Thanks. And then Denise, you're going to connect with Sandra in between the two of you. Someone will communicate back to the school. Right. Awesome. All right. So that's done. Let's talk about, and it's only, I don't want to jinx this, but it's only almost 8.30. So let's talk about staff bonuses.  And are we going to do select boards separately? We already did that. For the minutes, is it recorded somewhere? Ours wasn't a bonus, it was just the stipend. It's just an annual stipend that we... And that's in the budget. I gotcha. And so we don't have to specifically authorize it. Right. And I'd like to have Katie included as someone who receives a bonus. So we've got the road commissioner, two road crew. There's Ed, who's been our temporary. The town clerk, town treasurer, assistant town clerk, treasurer, and our recording secretary. And do we have a specific budget for bonuses or are we just... What have we done historically? Historically, we've just done the bonuses and it's come out of the salary lines. And what has been the amount of the bonus historically? And I said before, $250. Sorry, Denise. Yeah, it's okay. What? Okay. It's $250. I know a few times we've only given maybe half to somebody that's been a temporary road crew person. I think Ed has really stepped up. Uh-oh. Rose faded out again. Fading roses. Fading roses, I guess. But given the circumstances currently, I think it might not hurt to give him the full bonus amount. Cliff? So these bonuses are paid out based upon service provided over a period of time. Do we have an idea in mind of what period of time we're paying this bonus out for? It's usually just over the calendar year. Over the calendar year. So if someone was with us for the bulk of the calendar year, they would qualify for the bonus. I know what you're getting at. And I've thought about that. I'm not sure how to discuss that right now. Yep. I would suggest an executive session at some point. Okay, we could do that when we're done with everything else. But, and if whatever we decide, we can publicly report out after that. Yep. Is Rose trying to get back on? No, but this is interesting. Someone just popped in the waiting room. Mariana Constantine. Oh, that's the tenant. That's the Marianne Truman. And we're all done. And she's left the waiting room. Okay. And we still don't know about Rose. She's probably having, based on what she told us earlier, she's having internet issues. Yeah. Oh, now Bill's gone. Yep. Well, we could go ahead and vote because there's three of us to vote. If somebody would like to make a motion. Yeah, I would move we pay bonuses to existing staffers of the town of Callis, as we've discussed. Does that include the part-time staff, Ed Rowell, who we have relied on so heavily? I want to make sure we call them a temporary. Temporary, yes. Thank you. Yep. And does that include Katie? Yes. Okay. All right. I would second the motion. Are you ready to vote? Sharon. Hi. I'm an aye. Cliff. Aye. Aye, aye. All right. I don't know what to tell you about Central Vermont Solid Waste Management. That's kind of a John thing. Do you have any Cliff updates on, we kind of had an update on IT Town Hall and Judy's comments. Do you have anything to add? Yeah. No, we managed to get the wheels rolling on everything that we discussed for the Elger grant program and moving forward accordingly, Judy pretty much gave a summary of where everything else is at. So it's good stuff. Yep. Yeah, it was all hands on deck, good team effort. Any update on Friends in Town Hall that you want to give us? Yeah. Nothing to report there. Like I say, they've kind of taken hiatus for meetings until the new year. So probably won't have any more updates. Okay. Very good. And I have to admit that I fell on my face in having time to review the minutes in the past few meetings. So if everybody else has and you want to move forward, that's on me or if they're not having done it or we can postpone. I use the time when I was outside of the meeting room to start looking at them. And I agree we're not ready to approve them. One thing that I'll just say out loud is I was actually stuck on the fiber update and Katie, I'm sure this is what we do to you. But the, so we talked about the Elger grant and then we talked about FCC funds. And there's gotta be like two different topics in there. So if you can either listen again and tease them out so that they're captured separately or involve somebody like David Healy who actually would understand those two different topics so that the record is really clear. I think, I don't know, for people like me who barely understand it the first time around to have the minutes be clear is the best help I have. Okay, thank you. Healy. Maybe we could agree to review the minutes. First thing on the 19th when we meet and make sure we get them caught up. Yep. So Rose, while you were disconnected we approved the bonuses. Okay. And there wasn't any much other updates. Cliff just reiterated what Judy said about the Elger grant funds and IT and that's kind of where we're at. We did have brief, we briefly had Mary Ann, Constantine Truman appear in the waiting room but then she left. Oh, so I think we're pretty much done except for we need to go into executive session to discuss before. Actually, Denise, before we go into executive session one of the things that I noticed when I was going through those minutes from the last meeting is a flag that we were going to have on a future agenda item, the Maple Corner Historic District. Do I have that right? We did that. We had, that was on last meeting. I mean, the CLG. Oh, because we had a special meeting on the 7th. So we, well, this is from November, the special meeting on the November 30th. It says, did we have to revisit it? Yes, we did. We did on the 7th. Okay. Okay, are you good with that? Yep. Okay, very good. All right, Cliff. Yeah, before we break off going to executive session I wanna thank Hans for his continued participation in attending these meetings. Like I've said before, it's always great when we have interested parties in the community to keep their eyes on us as it were. Hans, do you have any questions or anything we could clarify for you? Is he still there? No, no, thanks. Yeah, I'm still here. Oh, okay. Yeah, last time I had some internet trouble. No, I just, it's just nice to listen and learn more and sometimes I look up things while y'all are talking so I can understand what's happening. Interested in what I've heard about town meeting day because I actually haven't participated in one yet. So this will be a first one for me. Oh, good. Great. Well, definitely helps to attend the meetings that we have as we discuss what's gonna be on the warning at the town meeting. And anytime you have a question in the course of the meeting, feel free to pipe up. Yep. And it's nice to have a new set of eyes on town meeting and the warning and stuff like that. So thank you. So, of course. Yeah, it's a pleasure. Right. Can we have a motion to go into executive session and discuss a personnel matter? So moved. I'll second it. At 830 PM. All right, Ro, Sharon. Hi. I'm an I, Cliff. Hi. And Rose. Rose. Hi. Okay. Thank you, Katie. Can this meeting be all put into one, one minutes from top to bottom, or do you need it broken up because there was the executive session at the beginning? We might want to put the board of health meeting separate. So there's a clear record of those limits. Can you do that? Was there an adjournment or would it be then like that the beginning part and the ending part were continuations? Is that right? I think we did adjourn the board of health meeting. I mean, the select board meeting before that. It was, we put it, we put the select board, the rest of the select board meeting on hold pending the board of health meeting. Sorry, I'm sorry. It's so confusing this time. That's okay. I might just send it to someone to just take a peek and see if I got the names right. Who are supposed to be board of health, et cetera. Okay, yeah, you can send it to me. I'll look at it. Okay, thank you. Good night everybody. Thank you. Thank you. I'll ask her later. The recording has stopped. Link to.


Okay, Don says, why do some men personalize when the woman they care about is upset and feel like they failed even if she's not upset at him? And what she's upset about is something trivial even.  So I talked about this before, I'm gonna talk about it again, and I'll go into a little bit detail. I continually talk about the book, The Hoffman Process. This is a book to heal childhood wounds and traumas and adult traumas that cause us to have negative patterns and limiting beliefs in our lives. Here's the thing, as children, we were traumatized. Folks, it is very rare that we grew up with Ozzy and Herod as parents. Our parents have traumatized us from the perspective of they treat us as an adult and we don't have the mind of an adult. So just recognize that whenever we were told something about our parents, whenever our parents criticized us, again, coming back to being told what to do, that can wear on our emotional psyche. So what happens is we men in particular, if we feel like our mom is upset, we personalize it. So let me give you an example, my mother right there, whenever she was upset with my father, I remember this so vividly because it was predominantly my entire life. Whenever she was upset with my mother, when my father, my mother would stonewall. What that means is she would emotionally abandon my father, my brother, and myself. I repeat that, she would abandon us emotionally. I mean, she'd still make dinner, take us to school, but she would emotionally abandon us. And I always took that personally, what did I do wrong?  And what happens is if we don't heal that as an adult, that can affect us. So folks, have you ever heard the term trigger, trigger, trigger? When we get triggered by something, so when something happens, my mother was upset of my father, but it triggered me because that also carried for her stonewalling, or her disappointment carried forward to everybody else in the house. So this happens to men and women alike. Ladies, you guys have dad issues, we have mom issues. And this is very prevalent. So first off, just understand, just come from a place of understanding that he doesn't intentionally take it personally. It's a subconscious thing that's happening and not an intentional thing from your part. So again, I'm here to promote understanding rather than expectations. Let me repeat that. I'm here to promote understanding rather than expectations. By the way, my back is starting to seize up. So we're only gonna go for a few more minutes. And that's why when we approach the process from what would love do or how would love respond, we can have compassion for one another instead of expectations. And by the way, as my friend Guy Blue said, expectation is the mother of disaster and desperation is her twin sister. Expectation is the mother of disaster and desperation is her twin sister. All right, thank you so much.


The million dollar question, how do you make money online? Now there's many different ways of making money online. I mean many, many, many different ways of making money online. I'm gonna be talking about specific ones that I've done. I'm gonna be going in order of, actually no, I am not gonna go in any specific order. I'm just gonna talk about them. I'm gonna talk about the pros and cons. Then you can be the judge of what you think that you would like to do or not to do. So number one, how to make money online. Like I said, no particular order. Number one, affiliate marketing. Now this is how I actually personally got started in the online space about, ooh, 12 years, not 10, 12, something like that. I started off with ClickBank and JV Zoo, the affiliate marketing. So what affiliate marketing is, and this is primarily for digital products. You can do affiliate marketing obviously for physical products like Amazon, Amazon links, but those are very small average order size unless you're moving like TVs, et cetera. But for the most part, affiliate marketing, I started off with ClickBank. And so what affiliate marketing is, is you drive traffic to an offer. Let's say somebody has a digital product online, you drive traffic to the offer and that company or individual gives you a commission fee, right, you're pretty much sales person. And so the commission fees on some of these digital products might be 20, 30, 40, anywhere. I've seen them from 10% up to 90%. And what's great about this is you don't need a business. You don't need to worry about customer support. You don't need to worry about anything. You don't need to worry about funnels. Your only job in affiliate marketing is driving traffic towards that offer so you can get your commission split. Then the question comes in as like, wait a second, how do I get traffic? Well, this is where your skill set comes in. Now back in the day, we used to do web 2.0 properties and you can game SEO for Google quite easier or you can game SEO for YouTube quite easier. It's much more difficult right now. So that is though a very simple thing that you can start. You can start doing affiliate marketing, nothing stopping. You can go to ClickBank right now and find the offers that you like. You can post it on Facebook, you can post it on Twitter. You can start creating your own website, driving traffic to your website. You can start driving traffic from all different social media platforms but the name of the game is you pick a offer, you drive traffic and you get your commission split. What are the pros? No upfront cost pretty much is sweat equity. You gotta build out the traffic sources. You have no business you have to worry about. You have no employees you gotta worry about. You don't have to worry about logistics returns or customer support. Pretty much your job is driving traffic and getting your commission split. What are the cons? It's short half-life for a lot of these affiliate products. Number two, you're not building a business. Number three, it is very seasonal. Number four is the same time that you're putting into affiliate marketing you could be putting into your own product. Now mind you, mind you, I think affiliate marketing and understanding how marketing works is a great way for somebody to start who's never done marketing before. That's why I personally started. Okay, so that's number one affiliate marketing. Number two, making money on the line is e-commerce. So a physical product. Now e-commerce is so easy these days, right? You pretty much have e-commerce in a box. And so what you can do for e-commerce here's one of the easiest ways to set up e-commerce company. I'm actually thinking about doing another one soon. Don't know yet. I'm still on the edge. Anyways, set up your store on Shopify. Super easy, it's like 30 bucks a month is like an e-commerce ecosystem in a box or 30 bucks a month, they're amazing. Then set up your Amazon store which pretty much cost you nothing. And then what you can do, so here's a little trick. What you can do is you can go to AliExpress. So not Alibaba, Alibaba's for the big wholesale orders. AliExpress is kind of like the Amazon of Asia but not really kind of. You can go to AliExpress and you can find products. So here's a little tip for you to learn. You can go to Amazon and you can look at the best sellers on Amazon. So you can pick by category, electronics, books, fashion, you can look at all these different categories. You can figure out what you like, what you don't like. You see what's hot and what's not. You can go to AliExpress and see is there similar products on AliExpress. And so what you can do is right in AliExpress you can use, they always use WeChat.  Now mine is not many, it's a couple but still a couple of free samples. They'll send you samples to your house. Take those samples, put them on your Shopify store, put them on your Amazon store and start marketing it. But then again, you gotta figure out your traffic sources, right? SEO, content, marketing, pay traffic, Facebook, YouTube, Google, referral marketing, et cetera. But e-commerce is another way that you can make money online. So what are the pros? You're building your own company.  Cons, it is difficult. It's expensive to get the proper traffic sources going towards that. And the most difficult thing, depending on what kind of e-commerce product that you have, if you have multiple SKUs with different sizes or different colors and products, the supply chain, the logistics get really complicated. Going from China to for example, your shipping fulfillment center like Shipwire and Shopify. So that gets confusing, but it's doable. I'm very bullish. I think e-commerce is great. Number three would be technology slash software company online. Now this is probably the hardest out of all of them. That is you create a software or you white label a software and you are providing that software to either B2B or B2C. Personally, if I had to pick a B2B over B2C, I think B2B sales are way easier. The sales cycle is longer, but the retention rate, the LTV of your customers is much higher. Your CAC, the LTV ratio is much better and it's just way more focused as opposed to a front facing consumer product. The question is, and what do you build? Well, that's up to you. You can figure out. There's so many different types of SaaS technology companies and software companies out there. So that's number three. So what are the pros and cons of a SaaS slash software company? Pros, if you get the ball rolling and if you get really good monthly occurring subscription model, it is pretty much a statistically mathematically guaranteed business. It's easier to scale this way. And if you are looking for long-term exit plan, more and more investors rather buy that than some other type of investment. They rather buy a SaaS business than let's say a transactional business. Cons, it's ungodly difficult to build a SaaS company. It's ungodly difficult to build a technology company. And so it's a big uphill battle that needs a lot, for the most part, needs a lot of upfront capital costs to build a SaaS company. So those are three. Those are affiliate marketing. Number one, number two is e-commerce. Number three is a SaaS slash software technology company. And those are the top three ones I would focus on. The other ones are like, I don't know, I wouldn't personally waste your time with them, you can get like online consulting. You can do some white labels selling on some other people's products. You can do selling ads. But if you're looking for something that's A, increasing your skill set, if you're looking then for something that will create a brand for you, if you're looking for something that has a potential to exit, then yeah, I would focus on e-commerce, I would focus on a SaaS company. And that's pretty much it. Those are my, this is where I would focus online. And if I had to do it all over again, like I said, I'm actually thinking about starting another e-commerce. If I had to do it all over again, I'll do an e-commerce company. I would find a very interesting product. Now the product is not the moat at all. The product is commodity because anyone can commoditize your product. The moat is your brand. I'll double down and focus on the brand equity that you're building. What kind of brand are you building that people know, like, and trust? And so I would focus on an e-commerce company. Find something that has really good fat margins, like pre-tax, like 30 to 40% with these margins.  Now obviously my favorite for long-term thinking is build a long tail SEO strategy, go YouTube SEO, Google SEO, and voice SEO right now, and build that out for two years, a super long tail strategy so you can get a sustainable intent keyword research or intense search volume towards your product as opposed to, let's say, social media, which is not intense search that's passive. And so those are my kind of tips when different business models are online. Affiliate, SaaS, and then e-commerce. All right guys, if you have a question for me, leave a comment below this video and don't forget to subscribe to this channel. Talk to you guys soon. Peace.


Beautiful teachings of Jesus and of course the miracles and of all of his teachings really over the last 2,000 years It's beautiful to consider practical application A lot of times when I'm talking to people they say, you know, really I just want to be happy I want to feel free. I want to feel joy. I want to feel love and And and it seems like Underneath all of that is I want to just really live a simple life Please God grant me a simple life And so we learn a lot from Jesus, you know, because I think there's a lot of us that have really said we want a simple life please show us the way to a simple life and Sometimes we have associated simplicity with simplicity and form But Jesus is really telling us that everything we perceive in the world Including our personality selves and everything and every one is just a projection It's a it's a perception that comes from our belief system and as long as we believe in the ego We believe in complexity The ego is a is a belief in separation from God So that's very complex belief and everything that springs from the ego is complex So if you talk to people they will say, oh, it's a very complex world This is a dog eat dog world. This is a world of Conflict and competition. They just say look around, you know, you see it everywhere in the world They say they say their mind feels conflicted at times and and Jesus is basically teaching us Only a single purpose only a constant purpose can endow events with Stable meaning in other words, you will not see a peaceful world. You will not experience peace of mind Until you come in contact with your intuition until you come in contact with The Holy Spirit until you come in contact with Jesus and the voice from Jesus then it's going to be Conflictual and no matter how you try to simplify your life with with minimizing things or trying to turn away from materialism or trying to turn away from Things and distractions of the world you have to start to realize that the distractions are coming from the mind They're coming from the subconscious mind You also have to realize that that you're not going to find simplicity in the form Even in terms of behavior, Jesus is teaching us that what you do comes from what you think and He says then it's with your thoughts alone that we must work in other words the level of mind the level of cognition and thinking is where the Correction is made and that correction is made by the Holy Spirit and There's a lot of spiritualities that kind of associate the mind with the ego But Jesus is saying well, you actually have a divine mind a mind that you share with Christ the one mind of Christ and you also that mind shares The mind of God of Christ is an idea in the mind of God Those are important kind of metaphysics because you start to realize that the mind Isn't really the problem. I know a lot of non-dual teachers like to associate the mind with the problem and the heart with the answer But but actually the mind and the heart are unified when the heart is single the mind is single And when you start to realize that the mind that believes in the ego is is where the problem is generated the belief in separation from God is The horrific belief. It's the belief that brings all destabilizing effects apparent effects it it also brings a sense of turmoil a sense of tyranny It's like a house divided a mind split is a mind that that believes in the ego But still has a remembrance of God in it the Holy Spirit And that's why we have to train our minds to listen to Jesus and to follow Jesus To be in our right mind to be sane, you know to be sane is no small thing piece of mind is no small thing piece of mind is is You might say it's the natural experience of listening to your inner voice to your higher power so today I Just was feeling to talk a little bit about simplicity and To answer the prayer Let the spirit come through and answer the prayer for a simple life So as usual, I will share some passages from Jesus and of course of miracles that I really help us zoom into simplicity and What I would say is a simple way of thinking is is to be right-minded to be thinking with the Holy Spirit It is to be thinking with God to try to think apart from the Holy Spirit Which is to try to think with the ego is to try to think against God Really, we have to start to realize that that consciousness is the domain of the ego and Jesus tells us that consciousness arose after the seeming fall from grace. So consciousness is is going to be The area the arena of mind that is receiving messages from above will say the Holy Spirit and below the ego and So we want to train our mind to just listen to one voice To only hear the Holy Spirit to only hear that Jesus's voice in our mind And then have a happy simple life happy simple joyful life. No small thing at all So I will share some passages here from Jesus to help us along the way to a simple life and then I Will have a song from Spava that will it's actually titled simple life It will be our our meditation our prayerful meditation at the end of this broadcast So I'll start off by sharing a little bit from chapter 2 This is This is paragraph 6 Jesus is saying it is possible to reach a state In which you bring your mind under my guidance without conscious effort But this implies a willingness that you have not developed as yet The Holy Spirit cannot ask more than you are willing to do The strength to do comes from your Undivided decision There is no strain in doing God's will as soon as you recognize that it is also your own The lesson here is quite simple, but particularly to be overlooked. I will therefore repeat it urging you to listen Only your mind can produce fear It does so whenever it is conflicted in what it wants Producing inevitable strain because wanting and doing are discordant This can be corrected only by accepting a unified goal So that's beautiful a unified goal That's that's our purpose Jesus if you took all the teachings of Jesus from 2000 years ago, and you boiled down the sermon on the mount To just two words it would be judge not and the way we judge not is we forgive we have to learn To forgive the world we have to learn to To be so centered in the the guidance and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit So led by Jesus that basically we overlook the error of Of the ego we're able to with the light of the Holy Spirit and the vision of Christ We're able to overlook the error or if you want to call it sin missing the mark If you want to call it Misperception we we come so lit up in the light of Christ that we basically See the light everywhere. We look in every direction And that's because the world is a projection of thoughts and when we Line up with the Holy Spirit's thought system, which is the thought system of forgiveness Then we are able to overlook mistakes. We don't even see the mistakes We just are the bright beaming light that Jesus demonstrated, you know, just shining sharing gentle Very accepting very loving You know He basically was basically saying, you know Someone smite you on one cheek turn the other cheek if somebody asked for your coat offer your cloak as well He was he was in the giving spirit of God gracious love Unending gracious love unconditional love. So that's where the simplicity is we have to to live like Jesus Okay, here's another Teaching from Jesus from chapter 4 and this is is paragraph 6 My trust in you is greater than yours in me at the moment But it will not always be that way Your mission is very simple You are asked to live so as to demonstrate that you are not an ego And I do not choose God's channels wrongly the holy ones shares my trust and Accepts my atonement decisions because my will is never out of the cord with his so he's talking about the holy one The Holy Spirit and Jesus share the same will so Jesus is saying my atonement decisions These my will is never out of the cord with his with the holy spirits with God's will Jesus is a was a it is the living demonstration of of God's will of perfect divine love I have said this before That I am in charge of the atonement. This is only because I completed my part in it as a man and now Complete it through others My chosen channels cannot fail Because I will lend them my strength as long as theirs is wanting I will go with you to the holy one and through my perception.  Are you kind? Are you welcoming? Are you loving? Are you embracing? You know, these are attitudes that are Befitting of of a child of God And even in this world if if someone says are you like a teacher of God or like a miracle world worker or something Then you can you can just demonstrate it by your loving Carefree all-encompassing embracing attitude You have an attitude that basically accepts all things exactly as they are that's where your kindness comes from too because You start to live in such harmony with with God in such harmony with spirit and and divine will That everything you think and say and do teaches love You know your your principle your guiding Principle in life is teach only love for that is what you are or you could say that is what I am. I'm only love I remember the cartoon Popeye some of you remember Popeye Love to eat his spinach and he loved his muscles and he had a girlfriend olive oil But but I remember Popeye would say things like I am what I am and that's all that I am Well, actually that's Jesus coming through Popeye Just think of Jesus In your heart the Christ I am what I am and that's all that I am I can be nothing else. I was created by God and I cannot be anything else I cannot be an image. I cannot be a self concept that God did not create I cannot be all the roles that that were made For this identity on earth. I can't be any of them because I am as God created me. I am spirit Before Abraham was I am Jesus said in the bible and he was just pointing us back to that pristine Innocent self that God created that's we call the present moment the I amness The gateway to eternity Okay, and what else do we have to hear from Jesus about simplicity? Well, I think probably in all my years of working with the Course 30 some years I think this passage Probably is it sums it up better than anything else I remember the first time I read this passage My heart chords were going so strong And I was like in the hush of heaven. I just was like, oh my god This is this is everything and and I could hear Jesus inside saying yeah pay attention Pay attention to this because in this it is the answer to everything. It's what you've been praying for This is from workbook lesson 189 in paragraph seven Simply do this Be still and lay aside all thoughts of what you are and what God is All concepts you have learned about the world All images you hold about yourself Empty your mind of everything it thinks is either true or false or good or bad Of every thought it judges worthy and all the ideas of which is shamed Hold on to nothing Do not bring with you one thought the past is taught Nor one belief you ever learned before from anything Forget this world forget this course And come with holy empty hands unto your god And now we'll listen to the song from spava To meditation to send us off for the day. This is a song from spava called a simple life That's my prayer today. That's my prayer for you that you dance through this day like Fred Astaire and ginger rogers, you know from the old days you just dance through the day in a simple way Live your simple life Live each moment given from from the holy spirit Come and bring your mind's attention to the holy present and And cast aside thoughts of the past and the future Be carefree live simple today I join you in that Okay, thank you everyone. Thanks for joining in God bless you


Dear students, in this module, we are going to discuss self-fulfilling prophecy from symbolic interactionist point of view. The interactionist perspective is a theoretical framework in sociology that emphasizes the role of individual behavior and social interactions in shaping the society. While self-fulfilling prophecy refers to the phenomenon in which an individual's beliefs and expectations about a situation or a person lead them to behave in a way that ultimately confirms those beliefs and expectations. Self-fulfilling prophecy is a very interesting theory in the symbolic interactionist perspective. For symbolic interactionists, because the meanings and symbols are very important, they think that reality is socially constructed. In this way, the self-fulfilling prophecy in the education of children also gives a very clear example. So basically, self-fulfilling prophecy is that when a child reflects any kind of behavior, then that behavior is considered as the ultimate reflection of the child's talent. And teachers start labeling it in the same way. And when a specific tag or label is applied on the child, then the child confirms that behavioral expectation. For example, if a child gets an intelligent or intelligent label in the beginning, then it becomes very important to carry the same label for the child. And gradually, the child confirms that behavior. On the other hand, we see that the child who is given a negative or negative address in the same way, an inferiority complex is created in the child. And that child thinks that maybe he can never excel in his life. So under the self-fulfilling prophecy, such children try to fulfill their same behavioral expectations with a sense. So in the interactionist perspective, self-fulfilling prophecy is seen as a means of shaping individual and collective behavior and shaping its social outcomes. In Pakistan, for example, self-fulfilling prophecies can be seen in the ways in which stereotypes and prejudices about certain groups shape individual behavior and its social outcomes. So especially in the private schools in Pakistan, and in such schools where the properly trained staff is not present, most children are given such labels. And children try to behave in the same way throughout their life carrying their own labels. So it's very interesting to see how self-fulfilling prophecy affects not only our behavior, but also our potential. If a child has talent or potential, then that particular label may not allow that talent to be explored. On the other hand, we see that children who may not have as much natural capabilities but if they are appreciated from the start, they are encouraged and they are given such positive labels, so in such children, this propensity to excel and propensity to work hard increases. Understanding the role of self-fulfilling prophecies is essential for analyzing the ways in which individual behavior and social interactions shape the social outcomes and it perpetuates the social inequality. So, choque is self-fulfilling prophecy, it's the use of symbols, it's the use of, it's rather the construction of social reality. So, the way we see it in the rest of the people, through different symbols, we express our behaviors, similarly, it can be seen how the self-fulfilling prophecy potentially produces social inequality in the education system. The study of self-fulfilling prophecies requires a multidisciplinary approach. Again, we will see that it can only be seen through the sociological lens. It also has some psychological repercussions, it has some social or particularly historical repercussions. So, by analyzing the complexities of self-fulfilling prophecies, we can gain a deeper understanding of the ways in which individual beliefs and expectations shape the social interaction and impact the individual and collective well-being. So, examples of these interventions aimed at challenging the negative stereotypes and prejudice in Pakistan include education and awareness-raising campaigns. So, in this regard, we need awareness campaigns to see how the self-fulfilling prophecies are negatively affecting the children. We need to train and sensitize the teachers so that they can try to appreciate the children and not typically label the children as stereotypical so that they can have equal possibilities to excel in the future.


American paratroopers took a break from their busy schedule to enjoy a little taste of home. Members from the 1st Squadron 91st Cavalry Regiment, based out of Grafengauer, Germany, volunteered to guest referee a Latvian-amateur American football game. Today we came out to the Latvian's football game against the Estonians, and myself and two other soldiers from D-Troop 191 Kev assisted in their game by reffing. And it turned out extremely well. The popularity of American football has been on the rise in Latvia. Well, it started like five years ago just playing in the park. Playing in the park, it started with touch football, then it became flag football, then we played contact football without any equipment. Yeah, basically it's been about five, four years. Latvian and Estonian players welcomed the paratroopers for their experience with the sport. Oh, this is probably one of the best refereeing games we have had. Usually the referees that have, they are still learning themselves, but now we have people with experience and it's completely different quality of the game. Even though the Riga Lions season opener ended in a loss, there is no stopping the popularity of American football in the Baltic region. Sgt. Gen Makalivi, Riga Latvia.