Oh, it's you first. It's you. Let's start with me, and then we'll get to him. Welcome to Adam Doe's Movies Live. I already gave away the plot, but, I mean, it's in the title already. We have a fun show. It's Tuesday night. I got John Pauley here.  Back, baby. Let's just bring him in. I dare this, because I already revealed you early.  I was paying attention, thankfully, so. Just the one takes spit. And thankfully, it's not happened before, but as you well know with live programming, I'm constantly paranoid and petrified that I'm going to slip up and just be like, here's my credit card. Oh, this stuff's supposed to be on camera. Oh, my God. You can't take it back.  Like, I don't have fun with these ever. I'm genuine.  But yeah. And then for me, and it has been a while since I've done a long proper live show like this, once you get into it, like an hour or two hours in, then you just get really loosey and goosey and tired, and it's like you're up all night talking to me. Oh, yeah, yeah. The pants. I'm being so vulnerable and honest right now, like these are complete strangers to me, all things considered, but it is good to be here. I have been a monthly guest host on the SIFT POP podcast for the last three years or so basically since the pandemic started, but that's primarily audio and 90% of the audience listens to the show rather than watches the stream. Well, John, before we really get into it, why don't you kind of bring people up to speed? Who you are, you're not just some random stranger on the streets that I asked to do this. You've been on YouTube for quite a long time and you made a career of reviewing movies for what, a decade? Yeah, no, I sure did. I'm gonna put my flashlight on so you can see right over here, one, two, three silver play buttons. I used to be- I can bring you up both streets. Why don't we enhance that? These right here, I got Movie Night, Jogwheel, and then the John channel. I used to be a big shot on YouTube a long time ago. I've been doing this, and I technically am still doing it. I'm just doing it for somebody else. Yeah, I've been doing YouTube for 17 years if you don't know who I am or my background. I got initially famous in 2007 blowing stuff up in microwaves on a little show called Is It a Good Idea to Microwave This? That was a blast, so much fun. It was a bit like the Slow Mo Guys or Mr. Beast, but like 10 years before either one of them existed. Yeah, you know, I've never seen a Mr. Beast YouTube episode yet, and I know he has- That's impressive. 350 million subs or something like that? He is, he's honestly, he's pretty entertaining. I understand why- I would imagine. He's so popular. I totally get it. I'm not like actively boycotting or anything. I just, I never really, he never showed up in my feed because it's like, eh, out of touch, middle-aged, white dude, not relevant, yeah. Of all the people to have the honor of the number one most subscribed person on YouTube, I'm thankful that he's not like a racist lovin' ball type.  It's like, all things considered, he's a pretty good ambassador for the site. Anyway, I did micro-videos for four years, and then concurrently with that, I dipped my toes into the movie reviewing community. I had done a little bit of that in high school on public access TV when I was a teenager, and I was like, I have an audience now. I can force this down their throats. My opinions on film need to be heard by people, because I think, as you mentioned in your channel trailer just yesterday, Adam, the world needs more middle-aged white men sharing their opinions on popular culture. There's not enough of that. It's such an untapped resource of potential, you know? So in 2009, I did my movie review show, Movie Night. I did over 215 episodes that reviewed 700 films.  Mostly it started every week, and then it was like every month, and then it was like three times a year. And then I had kids and got a full-time job and kind of retired from this space. I think that's the short version of my story on YouTube here, but yeah, I have over a million subscribers. I love movies, and I love your channel, Adam. I'm not just your friend, I'm also a viewer. I have been watching and commenting, as I think you well know, most of your stuff for a while now. Yeah, that reminds me. I genuinely forgot how you and I connected, because we've never actually met physically in person. It's always been- But we've done this a few times. You've been on my show. I've done movie feuds, I think, once or twice. But how did that even start? Did I direct message you on Twitter or was it the other way around? I might have messaged you. I, there was a time, and still, to be fair, I'll go around and specifically hunt out smaller YouTubers, or just people that don't have the same thumbnails as everybody else, right? At 12 o'clock on every Thursday morning, you can guarantee that the same six reviewers are gonna have their embargo dropped review up. And I'm like, who else am I missing from this round robin of usual suspect? We're the poor souls just wandering around the back alleys of YouTube, putting out a review to five people. And I think you might've been one of the people that I had kind of poked around the lesser known channels. And I think you're way more popular now than when I found you maybe 10 years ago. And I remember thinking like way back when, like I like the cut of this guy's jibby. His good production value was very funny. He's well edited and his opinions mostly line up with mine. I think we'll get into some of that tonight with our top 10s, but it was like, I like this guy. And I think being sort of egotistical, I was immediately like, I not only like this guy, I can help him, I'm more popular. So immediately I'm like, let's work together. And I recognize an opportunity. And I've done that a few times. That's mostly for my own selfish benefit. Like I want to know more about this person. And since I'm in a position of like higher popularity, I'm just gonna blatantly be like, I want to work with you, who will you? And I think we're like, yes. And you have no, you have no saying it, right? Right, right. And it's like, you don't really have a reason to say no. So yeah, we did something. I think we've reviewed like Fast and Furious 4 or 5, like early, early on. The movie feuds format, yeah, which I brought back. You'll have to come on for a movie. I would love to. One of the, one of these lives. I know there's at least two movies that we completely disagree on. The Last Jedi and Avatar 2. I don't, I don't know if I could watch Avatar 2 even for a debate with you on this, it's so long. So wait, do you like Avatar 1, but not 2? Yes. And now even kind of like The Last Jedi, Avatar 1 has lost a little bit of its luster because of where it goes. But also I do think Avatar is really a movie theater experience, pretty much full stop. So when I own Avatar in Blu-ray and I genuinely can't get through that movie, I've tried several times and it loses me halfway through and I just stop it. That's, that's disappointing. I'm inclined to agree that it loses luster at home.  I'm like, oh my God, I'm on another planet. There's moments that where my, where my, there's moments where my brain literally momentarily forgets where I am.  Avatar is like that, but for three hours. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm still in a theater at a furniture store in Massachusetts. I'm not actually on Pandora, but for a few microseconds, my brain is tricked. That's right. It's completely fooled. And I love that sensation. I have that experience every once in a while in a much more dangerous scenario. I'll be driving for several hours and out of nowhere I want to remember have doing those previous hours of driving. I'll just be like, what? Where am I? How long have I been driving for? That can be really scary that out of body disassociation where you're like, wait, I'm almost, I'm turning off the highway. I don't even remember. I've got my bathroom. What exits? Yeah. I mean, that's just, anyone who works, you know, five days a week with a regular commute kind of knows that feeling that by the end you're just like numb to the world and nothing matters. Have you been on the, not to dwell on Avatar, have you been on the Avatar ride at? No, and I'm so disappointed. Last time I went to Disney World was like 13, 14 years ago right before it opened in, I want to say 2010 or 11 like right after the movie. Yeah. And I've heard so much about it. I've heard it's great. It really is. You want to talk about an out of body experience, that one you truly feel for a couple of minutes that you're just flying around. And what's really crazy is, and I know Cameron's been working on Avatar 2 for a decade, the ride itself actually has a lot of stuff from the sequel in it. Because they've been working on it a long time, he was able to kind of put some of that in. Yeah, so a lot of the water stuff is actually in there. He basically made a teaser inside of this ride for the second film. Well, the ride was a proof of concept really. It was like, here's what I'm going to do. And he has that much, he's the only dude who can cash ego checks. Yes. Where he can just be, he can do the Babe Ruth, right?  You already did that twice. And he's like, watch me. And he does it again. And you and I joked for several years about Cameron's Avatar 2 coming out. And we kept laughing at people online who were saying it was going to bomb. Like you foolish fools, never go against Cameron. And then it finally got to me. Just only six months before it came out, COVID had happened, the theaters were empty basically. And I was even feeling it. I'm like, it's going to fail. He needs to make what? Almost a trillion dollars for success. It's not going to happen. I put out that video and then sure enough, he completely destroys the box office revenue. To be fair, the video where you predicted avatar would bomb or however you phrased it seemed to me a bit tongue in cheek. And I don't think you had a lot of faith in your prediction. It was like, I could see this happening. It was a doom and gloom scenario. I didn't want it to fail. I wanted it to do really well for the state of theaters in general, because I like going to the theaters, but I was a little bit concerned. And I shouldn't have been, because in Cameron, we always should trust. You don't pay against me. Yeah, I'd put together, per the homework for today's live stream here, I expanded my top 50 movies on Letterbox. And there's like six James Cameron movies in here. Oh my God. This guy for me has done no wrong. I have not admittedly ever seen Piranha 2, but the other movies, the other movies. The spawning, is that what it's called, the spawning? Or the respawning of his other movies. The worst one for me is the first Terminator. And that's still like an excellent, excellent film of all the movies. Yeah, I think I'd probably put Abyss under Terminator. And I love the Abyss also. Yeah, his worst movie for me is like a nine out of 10. It's incredible how consistent he's been for 39 years. And yet he's really only made like six films. I think that's the other thing that helps. I was gonna say, I think the consistency comes with the time it's taking to make them. He has seven films or eight films. And meanwhile, Spielberg still knocks out quite a few. Yes. Anyway, yeah, I think we'll, oh God. I think we'll start, we'll do the top 10. And we're gonna, how this is gonna work is, John and I both have a top 10 on Letterboxed. John, as you said, his goes to 50 now. I am actually working on a top 100 list, but it's coming and going for me. I have to have these like premonitions of what I want to put on. And it's a whole, like we've been saying, an out of body experience where I have to kind of go into my own dream, my own head and figure out what I want to do. But we're gonna go back and forth. We're gonna start with 10. I'll present mine, he'll present his. And then we'll just, you know, make our way down to one and then afterwards, John, if you want, we can kind of just kind of graze over some of the other movies on your list. If you want to do that. Yeah, no, that'd be, because I feel like the more interesting discussion is like the 30 through 50. 30 through 50, sure.  It's like, it's the most basic. Yeah. And like spoiler alert, four of the movies are visible on my screen now. Like it is not, they're not gonna be any big surprises. He doesn't have a Medina movie on there or, you know, the Glowly Blonde II is my number 11. The most critically underrated movie of all time. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay, well, with that out of the way, if there's nothing else you have, I guess we can get started. Actually, you know what? I'm gonna say one more thing. I'm gonna pitch something really quick. Let me get the tab up. All right, so John, if you didn't know, boom, right here. I have a Patreon, patreon.com slash Adam does movies. And one of the tiers myth roll allows you to request one of these epic grants. Lately, I should actually change the name to roast because that's kind of how I've been branding it. Lately, I've been doing these 15 to 20 some. Oh, expert sever. Lately, I've been doing these long form roasts where I go through the entire film and just completely destroy it. I think it plays to my strength as hopefully a little bit funny. And I have a good time doing them, even though they take a good amount of time to make. So anyway, you can become a quote unquote producer by going through this list and choosing one. Now, these were picked by the community. And it's an ever-growing list. And I should say, John, some of these, I actually don't hate, but I would still love to do them. Like, I think the flash is on here and I like the flash. I thought the new flash was really good. I wasn't too surprised that it bombed. Actually, I didn't think it would do well, but I didn't think it would like blow up. Yes, some of these are good movies. The Lone Ranger, I will fight to the death. Anyone who says the Lone Ranger is a bad movie. I'm gonna remove Jaws from the list, the Revenge, which I was for because I just put that out today. So that one's gone. We're gonna remove that film. I will say very quickly.  Your Jaws video, which I did just watch before this stream, is one of the best things I think you've ever uploaded. Oh, wow.  I think it's partially the format where you're setting up jokes and then immediately paying off the actual scene in the movie. I think that format where you go chronologically through a movie and just picking apart the absurdity of the story serves your style of humor really well. I appreciate that. Yeah, that's the goal with it. I also did one on Cats already, which I'm really proud of, and Alien 3. Even if you like Alien 3, there's plenty to make. I don't. No, I don't either. And then, John, here's an annoying thing. So this list is sorted alphabetically by Letterbox and they put Aeon Flux at the bottom, presumably because the A, yeah, the A is, I don't like that though, that bothers me. Well, you can always just change it yourself. I just, yeah, that's work that I don't want to do. Okay. I will say, looking at this list quickly here, there's at least a dozen of those that I've reviewed on Movie Night way back when, because every year, right around the beginning of the summer season, I would take a look at the IMDb like bottom 100 and pick five movies and just do worst movies of all time, part one, part two, part two. And I've reviewed on my years on YouTube at least 15 or 20 of those bottom 100. And that was always fun and always a bit torturous. Like Justin DiCelli, The Hottie and the Naughty, Movie 43, Who Fight. Oh, The Hottie, thank you. Some of those are like decent background TV kids movies. Like Justin DiCelli is not terrible if my daughter wanted one. I've never seen it. Yeah, if like my daughter wanted to watch that, I'd be like, all right, it's fine. I added The Hottie and the Naughty. Yeah, The Naughty and the Naughty, that one is like aggressively bad. And offensively- Is there any others, you know, while you're here that you would like added, I can throw one or two more on for you. Otherwise- Oh, let me really quick. I'm just gonna look at the 62 movies I've rated a half star in Letterbox. And let's see, Super Babies, Baby Geniuses, that is- I have it on there. I think that one's a fun one to review. If you don't have Bird Demic or Troll 2, those aren't classic, like so bad, they're good. Theodore Rex with Whoopi Goldberg. That is a movie. I've brought that movie up several times and I think I forgot to add it. So I'm gonna put Theodore Rex, yeah, where she's a cop with a literal dinosaur. But like, it's never explained. It's just, this is the world you're dropped into and it's like, this is normal here. Yeah, of course. There's- What was the other one you said before, Theodore Rex? Bird Demic. Bird Demic, yes. I've not seen Bird Demic. I've seen clips of it. Is it one word, Bird Demic? Yes, one D, Bird Demic. It's one D, Bird Demic, okay. That's from 2000 and lose- There it is, a couple of them, three of them. Oh yeah, yeah. They tried to capitalize on like the- The schlockiness. Yeah, the ironic cult appeal of the original in it. It was not a great idea. So the first one is the one to do. I assume I put the room on here, but if I did and I might as well add that, that's kind of a touchstone. That is absolutely one of my favorite bad movies. I still think it's a half star, but I also think it's rewatchable. It's in that weird, where it goes so far at the bad end of the scale that like it loops back around to being good again. And it's, the room is one of those movies that is simultaneously perfect and terrible at the same time. Of course, yes. I feel like half a dozen Steven Segal or Jean-Claude Van Damme movies would be fun to do. Yeah, yeah. Like those- The one's towards the late 90s when they both started going direct to video. Not the early 90s when they were legitimately decent. The poison in the land. Yeah, I could give you bad movie wrecks all night. It's- Beautiful. Truly one of my guilty pleasures.  Hopefully you think this is a good one and not a bad one. I botched it. Okay, we have the thing. This is my number. Why isn't it taking up the full screen? Come on, get with them. Because it's the aspect ratio. Yeah, we'll just do that. Yeah, the aspect ratio is garbage. And then look at the background logo.  Let me go to a, I don't have the stock one up there. Well, it is what it is, I guess, for this. Okay, here we have the thing directed by John Carpenter.  You know, he did one that I didn't hate. And a lot of people do. I gotta look it up because now I'm forgetting what it's called, Escape from LA. I think that movie is the perfect amount of schlock. Escape from LA. Do you like Escape from New York? Not as much, to be honest with you. I know that's the serious, more gritty one. I kind of like LA. I'm inclined to agree. LA is more fun. Steve Buscemi's in it. There's a sequence where they're surfing down the LA River on a tidal wave and there's a car and it's all, it's very silly. It's actually remarkable that the same guy that did Halloween and the thing, and then he turned around and did Escape from LA, which is just like a schlocky love letter to bad Hollywood cinema. He really is. My favorite part is when Kurt Russell has no time on the clock and he has to make a full court shot and he just chucks it and you see the ball perfectly, you know, cascade right into the hoop. The last second, it's just poetry. Yeah, both movies have a sequence where he has to do this impossible athletic sports feat and then he just does and there's not. Yeah, there's no reason why. The movie just fully embraces. This is a movie, this is our reality and there's not going to be, you just have to suspend your disbelief. The thing is great, tell me on why I should rewatch this because I only gave it an eight out of 10. Okay, this movie has stain power. It's incredibly creepy. You're isolated in Antarctica with just a few dudes. They've been there for a long time so emotion and intensity is already at max and to make things worse, to make a bad scenario even batter as no one says because that's broken English. There is an alien amongst them. What separates this from your standard alien thing is it's more along the lines of, what's that Kurt, not Kurt Russell, what's the Donald Sutherland film back in the day? You like how I go? Yes, the invasion of the bi-snatchers. You like how I go, what's going to separate this from everything else? And then I immediately pivot to, it's just like this movie. It has a little bit of invasion of the body snatchers where you don't actually know who's human and who's an alien. It could be anybody, but it's just a very unnerving film. And the reason I like it is the setting is great. It holds up beautifully for a film that came out in 1982. The ending is the part that I think takes it from an eight to a 10 instantly because it's not a happy ending. You have Kurt Russell and Keith David marooned now in Antarctica in the middle of nowhere, everyone else is dead. And we don't know if one or both of these dudes is the thing or neither, maybe the aliens are free, but regardless, they're gonna die no matter what. So the ending's up to interpretation, but the interpretation's a pretty bad one no matter what. And I like that kind of sad, depressing ending because for me, a true horror film isn't pure unless the ending is a little bit dire, a little bit- Yeah, no, there's a lot of really good horror movies that end with just really terrible, not terrible endings in an artistic sense, but terrible for the characters. I'm thinking of like hereditary, which is one of my favorite horror movies that I've seen in the last few years. And that ending is not warm, it's not friendly.  This is nightmare fuel and then it just goes to black. It's like, oh, all right, that's where we're gonna leave our characters just in this absolute hellscape of psychological terror. Okay, great. Yeah, and the same thing with the thing. I do remember, I haven't seen it in nine years, but I do remember, yeah, there's that final shot where they're just sort of resigned to, I guess this is our life now, is constantly doubting the other person, never trusting anything. And I don't think they ever fall asleep. Yeah, right. And it seems like they're just gonna stay awake for as long as possible is kind of the way to leave them. And the other thing that makes it kind of hold the test of time is the practical effects work, run rampant through this thing. The puppeteering, the animatronics, all state of the art, top tier.  It's nightmare fuel, as you said, but in the best way possible. They did a new version of the thing. I wanna say a decade back, so it's not new anymore, but Mary Elizabeth Winstead's in it. I never saw it, so I can't speak to it, but I don't know why you would try to perfect something that's already a cheap perfection. Had no idea that existed, thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. I know you're like Mary, Mary E, Mary J E, Mary J W. Besides the obvious fact that she's a smoke show, how did you know that? I don't think I've told anyone. I don't know if we've talked about her. I guess we're kind of both in the same boat as far as our appreciation from anyone that's a woman in Hollywood. It really doesn't take anything more than that. I am reasonably easy to please in that respect. No, you're correct, but I'm like, I don't remember talking about her, but no, I do like her. Yeah, yeah.  So this is a bit of an oddball pick because I just swapped it out this morning when I didn't like my original pick, which was Rocky I. This is kind of a good tie between Rocky I and Rocky II, but I think the second one is it's a touch better. And I think that's because it has the better ending. The first one is a realistic ending. The second one is like, nah, screw it, let's give him everything he wants. And I kind of love that. I think the montage in this movie is stronger. I think the emotional ride that Rocky goes on from sort of the place at the beginning of the movie where he's tied, Apollo creating, he needs to really set himself apart and try to go back, do a rematch and win.  They're trying to have a kid. There's just like emotional family drama. I think the stakes in this movie are a little bit heightened. I think the production value is better. And I think the actual artistry is just improved. And it's basically like a carbon copy of the first one's formula, but everything about it has been tweaked and improved just enough for, at least in my opinion, to kind of give that the edge in terms of one over two. But they're both brilliant films, the ultimate underdog story. I love a good movie where good people win. And I'm just a total sucker for that schlocky Hollywood romanticized idea of good man does hard work and gets good thing. I will watch it every day. You can't watch Rocky and like not feel good by the end of it. It is impossible. He's a blue collar, salt of the earth guy that had nothing going for him until he made it. I mean, it's really still on too, right? Both of these characters are so intertwined because they both were down in their luck. A little bit of the autobiographical nature to it.  I'd say the third one. The third one's where it really goes loony tunes. It's so funny when that one spires up Stallone's in full boar, Nike gear. He's fighting Hulk in the, is it Hulk Hogan? Is that the third one too? Hulk Hogan and Mr. T. This is supposed to be a charity match. I have two questions for you on Rocky too. Cause all these movies, I've seen them a million times. They've all blended into one giant, you know, whatever amalgamation of a guy boxing. But is to the one where he trains in the pool and he has to get faster. He's doing all the water aerobic exercises. Or am I missing that up with three? I think that might be three when he's in LA with Apollo. Okay, I love that one so much. The big difference in two, every one of them has a training montage. Yeah, of course. Yes.  Even the Creed movies were like- No, five has the training montage. It does? Well, I've just blocked it out of my memory that- Well, unfortunately the training montage isn't with Stallone.  They have that little, you know, whatever. Anyway. Yeah, no, it is dumb. Yeah, in two, the big difference is he does the same training and he runs down whatever, you know, Philadelphia Boulevard up the Art Museum steps. The difference is in the second movie, he's just followed by a throng of children, all cheering and trying to keep up. And I love that image of just the entire town of Philadelphia cheering him on. It's a really, in the first movie, he's sort of him against the world. And the second one, it's like everyone against Apollo. Yes, yes. All the underdogs are rising up. Yeah, right. It's a great little, it's great imagery. My second question of the two in this again might be mixing up with one. One of them has a painstakingly long finale, but in a good way, where they keep falling down. Like Stallone gets knocked down, he slowly gets up, then Creed goes down. Is that the first one or the second one? I'm not gonna lie, that sounds like many of them. I think it's the first one. Okay. I don't remember though.  There's a lot of slow motion for sure. Okay, I think, I feel like it's the second one. It might be. I have to watch it again. The bottom line is I have to watch them all again because it's been a couple of years. I've gone through all, well I still actually haven't seen Creed III yet, but of the original six, I've watched all six of those three or four times each. Almost always as like a six movie weekend marathon. Creed III was good. I do think it's the weakest of the three Creed films, but it's still a solid movie. It's not near as insulting as like Rocky V or Rocky Balboa. I know people praise that one.  Not a lot, it's definitely more of an introspective. Yeah, but it feels more like an epilogue than a proper movie, if that makes sense. It does feel like an epilogue and it's an epilogue that involves these really boring new characters. The girl down the street, she has no personality at all. I didn't care about it. I didn't care about it, John. But Rocky II, very good pick. It's very respectable. It belongs on the list, I get it. What do you have at your 10th part? All right, let's go to nine. Let's go to nine. That's what I meant, nine. Yep, let's go there. Andy Dufresne was a tall drink of water. As read, A.K. Morgan Freeman would tell us as this movie fires up and we get to prison. I think the Shawshank Redemption is a incredibly quotable, lovely, sad roller coaster ride of emotions that ceases to end even when the film is done. It stays with you. Everybody has seen this movie and the people that haven't really have no business watching movies as far as I'm concerned. Is this still the number one highest rate movie on IMDb? I don't know. I didn't actually realize that was the thing. If it isn't now, it has been for a exceptionally long, I'm gonna double check. It is number nine on the Letterbox top 250 and it is number one on IMDb. And I think it has been pretty much since the inception of that website 30 years ago. It has been a mainstay of the top five, if not the actual crown spot. I mean, it's incredibly hard to, you know, really find a fault with it.  I believe he's done some, he's done some okay. I've heard of him too, yeah. Yeah, I've heard of some of his stuff. It's the same guy that, of course, this was after, but the green mile, the director of The Mist, which I absolutely love. Another one with a brutal ending. And Jim Carrey- One of the best endings or worst- Yes, I agree. I fully agree. I think he did The Majestic too? The Majestic? Oh yeah, there it is, look. The Majestic, Jim Carrey. I'm gonna be honest, I don't love The Majestic. I have never heard of The Majestic. Really? This is, it's, I am, I don't wanna undersell how surprising it is when someone mentions a movie that stars somebody like Jim Carrey, directed by somebody like Frank Darabont, released in my lifetime, and I've never heard of it. Released in 2001. I don't wanna undersell like how exceptionally rare and surprising and delighted that makes me feel when someone mentions a movie and I'm like, how do I not, I know every movie. I've seen 5,000 of them. How am I never heard of this one? I'm very happy about this because I think you'll enjoy the movie. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad. It's definitely a good watch. It's just not, I was expecting greatness from the guy that did Shawshank. You got Jim Carrey fresh off of The Truman Show. I believe Spotless Mind was before this too. So he was already kind of dipping his toe in the drama and Jim Carrey can do it. I am going to watch this for sure. Oh my God, John, it's about rebuilding a movie theater. I love it. I don't know how you miss this. I don't either. It's not just that I've not seen it. I've never even heard of it. Wow, okay. Well, there you go. Something fun for everyone. Shawshank is brilliant though. This is actually, this is not on my top 10 because it's like number 12. It's just outside. I really need to re-watch it. I haven't seen it in probably 10 years, but when I first saw it 20 years ago, I was, I think as you described, basically speechless.  It's the kind of movie that just absolutely like washes through you in the best way. And yeah, it's very well deserved of all of its alkylates. And you can't watch that movie enough. It's the most feel good movie ever. Yeah. You can't come away with that without having this triumphant sense of accomplishment and justice and satisfaction and reward. Especially like that. The movie is so good for two hours, but the final 15 minutes is just like every single payoff like dominoes and it's like, they're just... Well, and not only the payoff, but the damn near horror story, they start to paint, you know?  No, it's an excellent misdirect and then they just completely turn it. And that's not to give away the ending, but the ending is kind of a twist in a way. I mean, like the title sort of suggests what's gonna happen. But I went into the movie blind. I didn't know anything about it. I watched it in a theater at like a re-screening in like the early 2000s. And I had no idea how it was gonna end. And I genuinely thought, based on the tenor of the rest of the movie, oh, this isn't gonna go well. This is gonna have like a really tragic, sad ending.  But it's not. And I was like, yes, this is so good. I loved it. Yeah, even in the final moments when Andy's on the beach and he sees him across the way, he sees Red, I was just looking for a car to come out of nowhere and just freaking, Hey! Like they done a thousand movies. No, absolutely brilliant film. Had to be on here. One of my favorite dramas of all time. We do have a super chat coming in from Jonathan for $5. He says, I'm a fan of underappreciated movies that surprise me, like The Man From Earth and Stay.  That is a fantastic film. Which one, The Man From Earth? Yes, it's so good. I've never seen it. I reviewed it on my channel, I don't know, five, six years ago when I recreated a scene from the movie because I loved it so much. That is a heady, high concept sort of teleplay for lack of a word. Oh my God. Five actors. It was like 2003, 2004, something like that. What? It was made on like $10,000 budget. There's only five actors. They're all in a single room for the whole movie. And it's mostly just dialogue. It's just basically a 12 angry men kind of situation but with a really neat meaty sci-fi concept. And I love, love the way that movie unravels and the direction of the conversation. Yeah, The Man From Earth gets... 2007, interesting. Yeah, I would give that of my biggest recommendation. If you like a good thinker. Sure. And if you don't like a good thinker, you have Starship Troopers, which he also put on here. That's a very fun, very... I mean, I guess it is kind of a thinker because on its face, it seems like it's a schlocky action sci-fi propaganda film. But underneath it's a schlocky sci-fi propaganda film but in the other way around. I mean, it's making fun of itself. It's making fun of the entire concept. And I did love the idea that the guys that are supposedly the heroes are actually the villains taking out this race of bugs that really is minding their own business. I went back and rewatched Starship Troopers during the pandemic and it's phenomenal. Don't get that right, by the way, John, is that right? I mean, I haven't seen it in a long time but from what I remembered, the bugs weren't bad necessarily. No, they're really not. That's sort of the entire conceit of Paul Verhoeven's script is the humans are the bad people because we're going to their planet and eradicating them and the whole time they're just trying to defend themselves. And it's a really great kind of twist on the Alien Invasion movie because in this movie, we're the eradicators. We're the bad guys. That's right. And it's so good. It's probably the only good thing Casper Van Dian's ever done. But hey, that can be his claim to fame, right? One good movie is all you need. Same thing with Denise Richards for that matter.  She's been in a lot of crap, that's for sure. All right, you know what's not crap? Your number nine, are we really only on nine? Yeah, we should speed this up. Let's speed up, let's stop getting sidetracked unless people bring in super chats which are absolutely appreciated. Yeah, yeah. All right, John, Nakatomi Plaza. Yeah, Die Hard, my number nine pick, the only movie I have consistently watched every single Christmas for my entire adulthood. I think if you go to my letter box and sort by activity, it's just December 24th, December 24th, all the way down to like 2004. I've watched this pretty much every single year without fail. And the only other movie I've done that with is Independence Day. Oh, wow. Obviously on its titular day. And there's a big reason for that. It isn't just that it takes place on Christmas Eve and it is, in my opinion, a Christmas movie. It's a Christmas movie, yeah. It is so very rewatchable.  There's not a wasted minute. There is not a wasted line. There is not a single hole or like plot development that doesn't completely, everything about it is airtight. Except for the fact that an ambulance comes out of a previously empty 18 mil. That's besides that, it is an airtight script and the progression of this just reluctant hero who has forced wrong place, wrong time to save all these people.  I wanna go home. And I love that trope of this guy who just doesn't wanna even be the hero. And everyone else loved the trope so much.  Yeah, it was the John Wick of our generation. Yeah, right, precisely. But it's just, it is, I think, when you strip away other genres and magic powers and capes and time travel, Die Hard is the quintessential best action movie ever made. There are maybe better movies with action, but they usually have other elements like flying capes or time travel or whatever, but just movies routed in reality, I can't think of an action movie I like more than this one. I mean, I totally agree. I'm almost positive it's on my list at some point in the future and I think it's even higher up. So we'll just spend our time now. The thing that's so good about Die Hard is not even the fact that it works as a full film and a story, but there's these tiny little moments everywhere in the picture that really make it stand out. The guy grabbing a crunch bar while he's about to shoot the SWAT team. Just do I have time? Do I have time to get it? They didn't need to add the little personality to the extra villains, but they did. And that's what makes it so good. I think that's not to be understated because a lot of people saw this, a lot of Hollywood people saw this and took the wrong lessons from it. It wasn't just small scale environment. That wasn't why it worked. It was the artistry, the way that McTiernan filmed it. The music is really great. They weave in motifs of like Beethoven's ode to joy throughout the screen, throughout the score. Obviously the late Alan Rickman is fantastic as the villain.   Does it sound like the word?  Everything Ella says is 100% pure uncut gold. Get in the coke, pour in it. Hans, booby, I'm your white knight.  I can give him to you for something. I'm paraphrasing. No, that's it. That's it.  You use a gun, I use a fountain pen. But again, every character's like this.  Everybody has a line. The SWAT team member, the FBI agents, you know?  I think that's what so few movies do well today is even the people with the small amount of screen time like Robert Davy plays one of the two Johnson agents from the FBI, right? Robert Davy probably has two minutes of screen time in this.    Dickhead. And you just, you immediately get like their repertoire. You get like sort of where they're coming from. And they really only have maybe 10 lines of dialogue between those two guys, but they're such memorable characters. When I feel like most movies today, they're just like, they would cast some big name and they'd do nothing with it. And I love that. It's almost a disservice to say this is lightning in a bottle for a movie because that kind of discredits the talent agency that brought on Willis and cast Alan Rickman and the script and the cinematography. But there is no way any of this works without everything falling into place like this.  Moonlighting? They thought he was the worst pick possible. Alan Rickman's been in nothing and they wanted to fire him two or three times throughout the production because he was so weird and quirky as a villain. I mean, every movie before this, the villain is this stoic, twirling mustache and he has a mustache, but they didn't play it the way Alan Rickman does. He has a suave-ness to him. He's just smart. And he doesn't even, he's not even like evil. He's just like, this is a means to an end for me and I don't care.    Like it isn't a really a contest because it's not about that. Man, I'm just, I'm lost in thinking about the movie and all the little moments, the, you know, they're shooting at John McClane and he says in, what he says in German, whatever he says and the guy's like, huh, shoot the glad he has a say in English for him to understand, hilarious. Absolutely perfect. Yeah, there's, there's, I do wonder if you were to wipe my memory and I would go back to this, how much of those little lines would kind of resonate with me? If I didn't have them all memorized, but yeah, Die Hard is a, is a pretty fantastic film. All right, let's get to the number eight. And at some point we're, again, this covered one of my slots as well. So we're going a little quicker, maybe. All right, in my number eight spot, a very generic paint by numbers movie that most people have on their list. And it's for a reason. Sometimes you put the greatest hits on your list and that's the Empire Strikes Back, 1980 follow up to what, 76? 77, Star Wars, A New Hope. Was it called A New Hope when it came out? No. I can never keep track of any of this. It was just Star Wars, right? It was just Star Wars. Okay. This one no longer- Be careful, he would admit that to a mixed company because the proper Star Wars fans will, will hoist you up a flagpole. If you're like, it was Star Wars. They will, they will get very upset if you call it episode four or some people are purists about that.  I know the difference, but- George Lucas has the manuscripts in his ranch and it says right on there, Blue Harvest, episode one. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Empire's great. I don't even know we need to talk about Empire because it is just so clearly. It's such an obvious- Everybody's seen it. Even people that don't like Star Wars have seen Empire and they go, yeah, that was actually pretty good. Yeah. I mean, this is the movie that gave us the Imperial March. It gave us AT-ATs. It gave us Yoda. It gave us Boba Fett. It gave us probably the biggest and best plot twist in the history of the media. Absolutely. Absolutely. And certainly in the history of like fantasy sci-fi. It might be better twists than other movies, but the Darth Vader reveal is phenomenal. And for my money, still to this day, 43 years removed, some of the best visual effects practically accomplished ever. Yeah. I mean, they did stuff as if to show off. They were like, let's do an entire act on a white background. Let's do everything on snow. You can't hide the matte lines. You can't hide the compositing.  Let's have planes fly around miniatures. That's insane. Like when they did the first one, doing it all on black sky, you can kind of hide some of the compositing work, which at the time was done on hand cut celluloid. They're just cutting this out and like doing double exposure with bats and reliefs. Yeah, they're not even, they don't even have green screen going on here yet. And even... I think they might have for... They did for the ships, for the pilot, you know, seeing it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but some of the other shots, like you said, they're having to go frame by frame through these things and cut them out. I'm sure, John, you've used green screens a lot.  And then you instantly put in something that's a little lighter and you see all the artifacting and... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh my God, this is terrible. That's actually how I would test the quality of my key is I would swap my red movie theater background for just a white, just a clean white mat. And you would, all right, well, there's a shadow. There's a wrinkle. That's the edge of the key right there. So I got to change that. There's my son. There's my kid. Yeah. How did they get here? That's the filter you used to spot mistakes.  Like, it was such a flex to do in its higher section of the movie on snow. And it looks great. The sound design is so good. Probably the best soundtrack in John Williams' career. Oh my God, the Imperial Morris. It's either this or Jurassic Park. I'm not sure. It's real good. John, you're like, we don't need to spend any time on this. And then you just immediately shot out of a cannon and praise it for five minutes and I love it. No, I love it. Oh, one thing I do want to mention is a little bit of trivia. The late, great Treet Williams, who we just lost a few weeks ago, plays a snow rebel in the Battle of Hoth in the trenches. And he bites it because an AT-AT shoots him at some point. Is this one of those cameo-type things? He's listed in the credits. This was like his first movie. So it's not a candy movie. Oh, okay. I was like, is this like a Daniel Craig thing? Cause I know he was a stormtrooper in one of the later Star Wars movies. No, Treet Williams was like a 23 year old nobody in 1980. Oh, wow. All right. But if you look close, it's like, hey, I know that guy from those other movies from 20 years later. Well, I'm glad that you were able to, you know, kind of praise this one because I just looked at the next movie on your list and this might be our first little debate. Oh, good. And let's go there now. Let's go there. And I moved, I moved. Is this your number eight? This is my number eight and I moved it into this spot earlier today. One, because I knew it would give a good discussion between you and I. And two, because when I thought about it, I genuinely think this is a top 10 movie for me. It is the only film I have seen in theaters five different times in five different years. And every single time, including the recent release earlier this year for the 25th anniversary, I still cry. I am still absolutely like floored with goosebumps and just the rush of suspense and thrills in the final act. You cry because I assume Kate couldn't move over for decapitation. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Just move over. Just move over. Just move over. And I still, not ashamed to admit, still get sexually aroused from the drawing scene because it was like a box. Yeah. This is a movie that, it has everything for me. And I don't, the romance stuff, I think genuinely works. I am genuinely moved by it. Leo is in top form. James Cameron, I literally built a life-size replica of the boat to film it. The artistry involved, the way they pulled it all off the music, the production, just soup to nuts one of the most impressive movies ever made. And the fact that it still looks better that like I watched Titanic and then the next week I went out and saw like the flash or whatever. And it's like, this Titanic still looks five times better than modern day movies made for three times as much money. I would, I don't know if I would go to the flash as the, you know, the one to compare, but I get what you're saying. It definitely will pop very well. There are some pretty comical moments, I think, in the film, but we can talk about it for a second. I will point out to people, John did not give this three and a half stars and put it on his top 10. He's not that strict. That's my ranking, three and a half stars. I remember, and, you know, I wasn't mature. I was in high school and this came out, but I do remember kind of laughing when dudes were ragdolling off the sides of the propeller. Oh, you can't propeller, propeller guy is it? It's, it's, I don't know if it's supposed to be funny, but I was kind of like, that's okay. No, I left. I think I think the whole theater left. It's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I remember the door thing truly being frustrating as all hell. And I do understand it's the, it's the mass. It's not, it's the buoyancy, listen. There are certain things that I don't care how scientifically accurate it is. You have to visualize it. And James Cameron, the master of visuals, really screwed the pooch on this. So, so there was a, there was a documentary that came out this year called, what was it? Back to Titanic 25 years later or something like that. They did, they did one five years ago called 20 years later. This is that, this is basically a documentary that reuses a lot of the footage from that one, but it includes one new sequence, which is James Cameron methodically testing the size of the door and that conundrum. And he basically, he goes, looks right down the barrel of the lens. It's like the Mythbusters got it wrong. They didn't do it due diligence. So we're going to get two actors the same height and weight and build of Kate Winslet and Leonardo. We're going to put them in a freezing cold tank with period authentic costumes. And we're going to literally bring them to the edge of hypothermia while testing the buoyancy of a door that's exactly cut to the same size. So James Cameron did the absolute best, most accurate possible test. And he came to the conclusion, no surprise that it actually would not work. If they were both on the door, one of them would probably have to freeze because there's just too much, too much of their body in the water for it to work. And with all of the moving around in the water beforehand, they would have already been soaking wet, right? They don't get on the door dry. They have to dry off. But what I loved is at the very end of this documentary, he basically admits, I know now, we know now we've proven that they couldn't have done it. But it's obvious that it looks like they could have. So if I had a chance to remake the movie, I would have just made the door smaller. He can fix it with CG now. I mean, he's got the technology. This is the point I was getting at and you did mention it at the end after your little neandering commentary. This is a poster that came out. I don't know if you remember this, the Spielberg poster for Ready Player One. What the super long leg? Everybody was going off about the super long leg. The artist and other people came out in defense and said, if he puts his other leg down, it is actually proportionate to his body. They are the same height. It doesn't matter. It looks weird. You have to have some artistic creativity. There's gotta be some wiggle room. And that's where the door thing falls apart. But yes, I'm glad that Cameron, I'm glad that Cameron at least acknowledges that fact. Yeah, he basically admitted, it scientifically I had it correct, but visually it opened itself up for criticism and I should have just made the door smaller. Right.  And I remember seeing it in theaters being really frustrated at the whole scenario. Even just having him struggle to get on and then showing it sink would have been enough. The movie was already, what, three hours long? We can spend three minutes having him go on the door and then fall off and have to make the ultimate sacrifice, I think would have been even more pronounced. But otherwise, yeah, Titanic for me, it's all right. I see- When have you seen it last? It's been a long time because I don't wanna watch it. I just really don't wanna watch it again is the problem. Do it. Okay, I will get- Do it, do it, Anakin. Okay, besides the door thing, the other thing I remember not liking very much, and I did see this movie twice, once in theaters and once a couple of years, I was probably out of college. The other thing I don't like is not the love story between DiCaprio and whatever, Claire Winslet. Kate Winslet. Claire Danes, whatever, the other movie with Leonardo DiCaprio, it's Billy Zane and how he's running around with a gun while the ship is sinking. It just was so ridiculous. All I was thinking was, dude- They kind of called it out. The ship is ripping apart. They kind of call that out by the end where he kind of acknowledges like, what am I doing? And he kind of just throws the gun away. Like, this is a huge waste of my time, but yeah, there's definitely some sequences in the middle where it's like, are they really still trying to worry about a diamond when everyone's gonna die in eight minutes? Like- And it does have the most dedicated strings, quartet or whatever of all time.  The water's coming up. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, Titanic. Definitely a wonderful work of art as far as the CG goes. He built a, what, one third scale version of the ship that they had in a warehouse somewhere. No, it was full scale, but only one side of it, the starboard ship. Two scale, okay. So half of a ship to scale. Half of it lengthwise. So just the starboard half. And when they wanted to film it, and when they wanted to film it leaving Southampton, they filmed everything in reverse. So it would look like the port side of the ship. So everybody's logos, everybody's hats, everybody's signage had to be written backwards to make it film it backwards. And then it's just crazy, crazy stuff for this movie. The making of is almost as interesting as the film. What do you have at number seven? Yeah, I was just gonna say the, speaking of water. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. So you just ripped apart Jaws for earlier today. Jaws of Revenge, yeah. Which is not a good movie, but this, this is a good movie. This is a great movie. Before I say that, hack the movies from hack the movies. This is Tony. He says, I'm late. Did they mention that Roadhouse is the best movie ever made with Patrick? Is that Patrick Swayze? Patrick Swayze. All I think about now is the family guy, Peter Griffin, Roadhousing people. That's insane. Roadhouse. He'll just roundhouse kick a dude into a table. Roadhouse. No, Tony, Roadhouse is not so far mentioned, but maybe it's on one of our top fives. Okay, Jaws, this is, what, my number seven? My number six? I don't know anymore. It doesn't matter. It's your, it's your number seven and it's my number 22. Okay. All right. So you do like this movie a little bit. Oh, I love it. It is so good. Jaws, you want to talk about Die Hard setting the standard for action movies? Jaws set the standard for Monster of the Week, scary horror films that basically ruined sharks for everyone on the planet Earth going forward. When this movie came out in 1975, people stopped swimming in water. They were just like, I was afraid to go by my sink in the fear that a great light was going to somehow come up. True story, John. We actually had an underground pool because we're, you know, super wealthy, of course, my family. You're bringing on those buko YouTube butts. No, no, this is when I'm a little kid. My parents had a house in Minnesota of all places with an underground pool that you can use like four months out of the year. And I was terrified to go in it because I thought somehow a shark would be able to manifest, it's like apparate into existence inside of the swimming pool. There's actually a movie about that. I think it's done a bit like Sharknado, like Tongue and Cheek, but there is a movie about a pool shark where people go in a pool and get eaten by a shark that I don't remember how it gets in and out. It's a very low budget, very much in the style of like a Sharknado. Is this the Spielberg film as well? I assume? No, I don't think so. He might have done that one for scale, if that's true. I don't think they could afford them otherwise. Yeah, that's the kind of like, it's a jokey premise, but people were legitimate. This traumatized the collective populace of the world in 1975. I think you can literally go to like Martha's Vineyards tourism attendance in the 1970s. And there's a precipitous like drop in 1976 because no one wanted to come back the next year after seeing this movie.  And it's generational too. It's always in the Zaige somehow. You had a couple years back, I feel like people were anti-Jaws because it made sharks look so bad. The environmentalists came out on Twitter. This is the worst movie ever.  How dare you make sharks these villains of the sea? And they were all boycotting what they do, of course. They white knighted for the anti-Jaws movement. This is outside of it making me terrified of Jaws. I thought Roy Scheider was so good as the leading man, just a no-nonsense guy. It has so many parallels to even modern times. You know, you have the guy that's no-nonsense. He sees a threat. He sees how people are reacting to the threat and he wants to do the common sense thing for the good of the people.  You know, you can kind of relate it to climate change if you want. You can relate it to politics. There's a lot of ways that it mirrors reality even today.  Is that where it's supposed to be? No, the vineyard. Oh, it is the vineyard. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, Martin's vineyard. I don't know if they filmed there, but it's supposed to be either Nantucket or the vineyard. Yeah. Okay. The mayor is like, now we're keeping it open. Well, it's Amity Island, but it's... Amity Island, yes. Yeah, but it's Massachusetts. Okay. I knew it was somewhere around there. And so then you have these guys that have to take matters in their own hands. And you have kind of two movies here. The first half of the movie is the attacks. It's the shark kept in the shadows in the background for multiple reasons. One, it added to the terror. What does this thing look like? How big is it?  And I think most people know the history of JAWS. Another fantastic documentary movie to be told. And it has been several times. But it really played to the strength of the film because when we did get that reveal, it was, oh my God, this thing is huge. And I'm not even noticing how kind of silly it looks because it's awesome.  If you've ever been to Universal or if you had been to Universal prior to when they closed it, it's the same thing. It smells of gasoline and it looks fake and it's really rubber and it's kind of gross looking. You can see the mechanical machinery just operating just inside. It's a couple of people inside there moving the flippers around. But yeah, it's half of the movie is the shark terrorizing the ocean and the inhabitants. And the second half are these three guys going out to hunt this thing down. And it kind of has a Moby Dick feel in the later half where they're out at sea for a long time. They're starting to get restless. They're turning on each other. And finally they meet their maker at the end. And it's just all around what I look for in horror films now. This is the gold standard for me is Jaws. Now, how much do you like that first, 60, 70 minutes of the movie on Amity where it's more of a small town, family drama meets sort of corporate stubbornness? Cause for me, I enjoy that. I do a lot. Spielberg was obviously really good at that small town stuff. But the last 45 minutes or they're actually on Orca II on the ocean that last 45 minutes is some of the best filmmaking ever done.  He and Shaw are so good in this too.  Dreyfus' character doesn't really know much about the sea. He's the nerdy science type who's never out in the field. The way that the three play off each other works so well. And every couple of years when I watched this movie, I'm like you, John, where I appreciate all the town stuff. But then when that second half kicks in, it's like, okay, we've entered, we entered a much more serious film. This is kind of outside of the Spielberg norm. I think and it goes pretty hardcore. You want to hear something that'll make you feel super old? I already feel old, but sure. Richard Dreyfus was 28 when they made this movie.  28. Actually, probably 27 when they filmed it. They probably filmed it the previous summer. I don't feel like I look older than him, but I mean, I guess we see each other every day. People in the 70s looked so much older than people now. I think Roy Scheider is only in his early 40s, but that's a hard early 40s. Yeah, that is really hard on all of them. Yeah, it's, oh, the other one that's probably even more of a good example is Bruce Willis is 32 and die hard. And he just looks so ragged and run out. He's so rough, he's so rough. His hairline's completely gone and he's just out of shape. He's got the cigarettes. And he's complaining about his family. And it's like, this guy seems like he's 49, but he's also 32. Oh my gosh. All right, on that sour note, let's go to your number seven. We might want to punt this a bit and talk about it later if you want. Yeah, well, we can dabble. Just give me a little, I mean, it's Jurassic Park. Everybody's seen Jurassic Park, right? This is kind of another Spielberg movie. Because he knows how to make good movies with interesting, compelling characters. And he knows how and when to integrate special effects sparingly and effectively. And you combine that with probably, I said it earlier and I'm correcting myself already. This movie has the greatest score of all time. Oh God, it's so good. John Williams' work on this movie. Dee, dee, dee, dee, dee. Unparalleled, yeah, Jurassic Park, I got the poster in my office over here. It's one of my all-time favorites. I have the hybrid poster that's probably a third-party knockoff version where you can see it's pretty much Jurassic Park. Put yourself on the full screen here. So I can, I can, because I wanted to ask you about this because I always thought that was a Jurassic Park three poster. It's Jurassic Park one, but it has the embossing and stuff of like number three. All right, I'm glad that this has been cleared up because this whole time I thought, like, wait, would you like the third one? So, John, if I haven't told you, so this whole room before I made it a box for it, it was just blank, it was a blanket for it.   So the sides you can't see are all foamed in because I keep within walls. Anyways, in a madcap dash, because I decided to do this right before doing a live stream, I was finishing up kind of the painting and getting everything decorated and I didn't have posters on the wall. So I went upstairs and I just straight up looted Connor, my son's posters. I took all three of his posters like, I'm sorry, I need these and I nailed them up and I still haven't changed them out. Well, you should change them out. Maybe to the movies we're gonna talk about later tonight. Well, I'd like to get the standards up there. You know, the thing has a really great poster. Yeah, absolutely. Jurassic Park is a great poster. Not the one I have there.  Why? Why? It's a fine show, but it doesn't need to be. Yeah, and like Into the Spider-Verse, great film. I don't know that it's one of your favorites, but it's great. No, it's not. It is a good poster, I will say that. But yeah, okay. Anyway, Jurassic Park. Conversely, if you switch over to my camera, you again, spoiler alert for my top three, I just have them hung up. I didn't try to be, I'm like, well, this is my favorite movie, so this goes up. This is my secondary movie, that goes up. And it's like, well, that's how I did it. I mean, everybody should probably have a Rocky poster in their house. I like the Rocky one poster better than the Rocky two poster. So that's the one I have in my room here as well. I think one is a little bit more iconic, but that's fine. It's fine. So we are on, I think, my number six. No, you're number six. Yeah, let's do that. Because Jurassic Park, we can go past Jurassic Park. We'll punt. Everybody knows Jurassic Park. Well, we'll move on. What do you have at number six? I have, well, I think this, you might have this one too at some point. I don't know. I really don't remember, but I'll show you. Get down. No! Get to the choppa. That's pretty good. Let's go, come on. Let's go. I'll drive. Talked at the hand. Terminator two, another score. Skeely. Brad and Brad Fidel with that one. I'm not familiar. Does he do a lot of scores? I don't remember that name. No, I'm actually, I can quickly do a search for Brad Fidel in my music collection. And I know he's done a couple. Okay. Not like a, he's not icon, he's not one of the J's. John Williams. He's not John Williams. He's not one, like, for me, like the Mount Rushmore or Film Composites all are J's. You got your Jerry Goldsmith, your James Newton Howard, your John Williams, and then your James Newton Howard, and then the, was the other one, James Horner? Yeah, James Horner, James Newton Howard, Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams, and then Michael G. Aquino, and you've got a couple others, but I love that. Michael G. Aquino's fantastic. Sylvesterie is really good. Yep. Okay. Terminator two, Judgment Day. This goes without saying as well, but can't. The concept is great. The effects are great. I think this is Arnold's, obviously, signature role. Some of the best blocked and choreographed action, the stuff in the LA River, is probably one of the best chase sequences of all time. Shooting the sawed-off as he's being, you know. That is like that shot of Arnold, literally, he's not being towed. He's not a stunt double. It's not like at half speed. That's Arnold Schwarzenegger at full speed on a Harley without a helmet, driving one-handed and reloading a sawed-off shotgun on one hand and the other. And it's just like, that's so cool. That's so freaking cool. And I don't know. But again, another Jim Cameron movie, because this guy knows how to make a movie, just feel big and good and important. And to your point about the gun, you know, spinning around and shooting those like 17 fences that he shoots during this chase. My son Connor, who's 11, has seen this movie. He's also seen most of the MCU films and all the new modern stuff that's larger than life. There's CG, you know, people everywhere. What does he think about this? He loves Terminator 2. He freaking loves this film. Raisin' him right. And when Arnold was shooting the fence thing, you know, the little locks on the fence and jumping off the side, it's not like this is some amazing thing, right? It's just a guy on a motorcycle shoot. But how it's shot and the way that it's just executed seems so much more cool than even Superman flying through a whole bunch of CG buildings and, you know, using laser eyes and whatever. Because this is practically done and there's a sense of that when you're watching a movie. There's totally a sense of urgency and speed. And you get this. There's weight to it. Right, T-1000 is right on their heels for the entire first 45 minutes of the movie. It's not until they get to the desert where there's a little bit of lull in the tension. And then obviously he picks up their trail at Cyberdyne and then last 30 minutes, it's like he's right around the corner. And that's what gives the first movie all of its tension and the second movie as well. So what if for the entire movie he was just right next to them, about to kill them? It's like, that sounds terrifying. And they just, there's so many great things about this. I'm sure this isn't the first movie to do it, but this is definitely one of the first ones I recall doing it right.  So just keep on running. The catch, of course, is once we see Robert Patrick run at full speed. It's like, oh, we know at any time he can just turn that on and they're smoked. They're smoked. Do you think Robert Patrick was watching literally every Tom Cruise movie in preparation for the role?  I think it was the other way around. I think Tom learned from Robert. Tom was like, oh, I used to do this, but you actually want to do this. That gives you the aerodynamic run. There's a famous anecdote from T2 in the scene where they're at the Pasadena Mall or whatever. And John, you know, scoots out the back of the RK and he jumps on his dirt bike and tries to leave the parking garage. T1000 blows out of these, you know, emergency doors and then starts just booking it after him. The anecdote is that the first three or four takes they kept filming this, Robert kept catching Edward Furlong on the dirt bike. Eddie Furlong is on the bike going 20 miles an hour and Robert just keeps catching him. That's awesome.  Cause we're back a little bit. We can't, he actually can't go any faster on the bike. There's speed bumps. Like you have to go a little bit. So he actually had to bring his speed down. He was running so fast. What's the name of the dog in the film? Fluffy or something ridiculous? Yeah, I forget. Yeah, I know the scene. I know the scene. When he hangs up, your foster parents are dead. And then there's just that great passion to Xander Berkeley being impaled through the mouth. Xander Berkeley is one of the all time best like movie heels. Yeah.  He's so good.   And he's one of my favorite movies, which is on my top 50, but not my top 10 is Air Force One. And spoiler alert, he plays a pretty bad guy in that too.  There's a scene in that movie. I saw that when I was in high school. And even at that point, I thought, that's a little bit much. And that's when Harrison Ford's character, I don't remember his name. It doesn't matter. It's Ford. President James Marshall, and I'll thank you very much. It's always a James.  There's really nowhere else for the bad guys to shoot. And yet they're like, they can't hit him. There is nowhere else to shoot. It's just completely implausible. Well, he's just plot armor on. He's the president. Yeah, I know. And then of course, maybe one of the worst early CG examples ever is when that Air Force One plane hits the water. He says, There's like no, there's no shadows on the lighting. The physics are all bonkers and there's no motion blur. It just looks so fake. It's, it's, it's gold. It's gold. But this movie looks absolutely beautiful. There's not a shot in T2 that looks bad today. I mean, like when you look at like, in terms of a visual effects standpoint, like the sequence at the end where, where they blow open T1,000 and he peels open like a. That, that still looks so good. And it's like, how did they do that? That I think it was half puppetry and model work. And then a little bit of like CGI composite for his face, but it looks so good. Didn't it? I always get like little crumbs of info on these older movies. I feel like Arnold was the one that came up with the box of roses. Am I getting that right? Do you remember that? I don't remember, but that is a great, I wish I could have experienced that sequence unspoiled. Were you able to bring Connor into T2 without him knowing that Arnold's the hero? Yes. Really? How did he react to it? He, he, he was like, oh my God, he's here. He's here. Like he was freaking out. She's like, there's two dudes he has. She has the, you know, cause it's when he's in the hallway, right? At the Johns in the hallway and the T1,000's walking at him. And then out of nowhere you see the boot hit the ground and then Arnold's got the box of roses and he pulls out the gun. And my son, Connor, who I did actually name after John Connor, he's like, oh, Did you really? Seriously? I really, I really did. That's fantastic. I wanted his middle name to be Drake after Drake from Uncharted. But Lindsay's like, I can't give you two. So out of spite, she said he can be named Blake. Out of spite, John, that's absolutely out of spite. Cause Drake is a better name than Blake. No offense to Blake out there, but Drake is cooler. I'm sorry. Drake is cool. I think initially Arnold was supposed to be carrying balloons and he said, what about the box of flowers? And they're like, okay. The flowers in here. Come on, let's go. The flowers here now. Now. So yeah, they are the roses. That might have been completely made up. I'm glad to hear that your son appreciated it because I am definitely one of the big joys of parenthood is slowly introducing your children to your favorite movies. And my kids are much younger, there's five and three. So we're only just now getting to like the Pixar's and Disney's. But eventually another five or six years when my oldest is old enough, I'm really looking forward to showing, sitting her down and watching T1 and T2 and hopefully getting her to that point in life without her knowing Arnold's the hero. Because I knew he was the, so that there's no tension in that scene. I'm like, oh, I know he's gonna. Well, the trailers ruined it too. I mean, it was, I hated that. No, my kids both didn't know Connor loves Terminator. The thing is one of his favorite movies as well. But Connor's 11, so he's in the bracket where he just likes watching anything that's rated R. It makes him feel edgy and cool. You know, I love that. I love that about him. That is exactly the age where I discovered most of the movies on this list, actually. That's the first time I watched Die Hard when I was 11. I watched T2 when I was maybe eight or nine. I watched Air Force One when I was 12. That was like, and I watched Titanic when I was 11. Those formative years where I'm like a little bit too young to really, I shouldn't be watching, tits and explosions at 11, but that's fine. It's Titanic. I was watching like every Jean-Claude Van Damme with my dad at that point and every single time. It's like, kills a dude, bangs a chick, kills a guy, beds a woman, yeah, hilarious. Terminator 2 though, we've said enough. Brilliant film, top to bottom. My number six is one you may have heard of. It stars The Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Dark Knight, 2008's Chris Nolan. Is this Chris Nolan's best movie? Oh, hang on, John, one thing. One thing, we did have a super check coming. I don't wanna miss it. What? Jan Rose, Jan's always on here. I love it. I love the motivation to catch these streams. She says, what'd she say? Spy, Jason Statham made this movie absolutely hilarious. One of my faves. It's such a good spy comedy, even with Melissa McCarthy in it. I feel like she threw a little shade there. I would like to defend Melissa McCarthy. I will defend her too. I'll defend her too. Melissa McCarthy, I think the even or the asterisk is, Melissa McCarthy is in a good movie whenever her husband isn't directing it. Interesting. Because all the movies they've done together, whatever the last one was like Thunder Force. Oh, yeah. I reviewed that. Whatever one she did before, but the ones she does without her husband, bridesmaids and spy and some other, those are great. And yeah, there's a scene where Jason Statham is talking to Melissa McCarthy about his exploits as a spy. And he mentions at one point, he's like, I need to remind you that I once appeared in front of Congress as Barack Obama in blackface, convincingly. And it is just the absolute, like the way he delivers the line with this just panache of arrogance is the one of the funniest scenes in that movie. I think I've only seen it once, but I've never forgotten that scene. Cause it's so good. Speaking of Statham, how hot trash do you think expendables four is gonna be? Are you excited? I will be honest, probably very hot trash, but also do not care. I love those guys. I'm gonna see it. I'll pay my. I'll see it too. I love Sylvester Stallone. If you actually go to my letterbox to sort by like most watched actors. Sylvester Stallone's at the top because he's not Sylvester. He has like three or four. Sam Jackson, Sam Jackson's at the top. Cause he's been in everything, especially Marvel alone. But then Sylvester Stallone is like two or three. I've seen like 48 Sylvester Stallone movies. Like the dude has a huge pantheon of work. And I've appreciated all, most of it's not great. Outside of like Rocky and. Or my mom will shoot. You've heard the story on that one, right? Or he, he did that to spite Arnold Schwarzenegger because he thought he was interested in it. I feel like I have, but it's always nice to hear the. So, so the, the, the, the, the script for. I think it was like a Stell Getty or whoever's in it, right? The script was being shopped around. Stop where my mom will shoot. This is like the summer of 1991. And Arnold Schwarzenegger floated a rumor that like, I'm going to take this movie. This looks very fantastic. And Sylvester, here's the rumor.  Well, then I need to take it first. Get me, get my agent on the phone. I'm doing this movie now. And, and so, and Sylvester did the movie.  One of his worst, it's trash. And Arnold later is like, I did that on purpose. He totally, he totally told me this stinker.  It just. Oh, he, he would, he would play mind games with people. If you've ever watched, I haven't watched the new documentary on Netflix, but his older ones. Pumping iron. Pumping iron. He talks about the psychological part where he's right before me, right before I'm mad. He'd be like, excuse me, are you going to lift like that the whole day? And it's just, you just get into it. It's like, wait, what's wrong with how I'm looking? Nothing you'll find. You'll probably find I didn't mean to say anything. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know in that instance, if that was actually, that might have been scripted. Cause I've also heard that they actually made Arnold. It was his idea to kind of become the villain in that movie. Oh, is that right? He's a way. I kind of love that too. He's a way. It's hilarious. Yeah. He basically came up with the idea of, he was going to make this more of a dramatic, you know, biography or whatever the hell it even was. Right. It was almost a parody of itself. He's doing it. Okay. So the dark night. Oh, and I'm pushing back on Melissa McCarthy because I love her as Suki in Gilmore Girls. I celebrate Gilmore Girls entire catalog, except for the Netflix season. Hank Hill points out in the comments that he says that the Lou Ferrigno, and I think that makes it even funnier. The person he's trying to psych out before the meat is Lou Ferrigno, pre-hulk, pre-hulk Ferrigno. And Lou for all of his efforts, when he does the interviews, it's so obvious that he's, it's got under his skin. Like he's trying so hard to like save face, but like it's, it's desperately obvious that Lou Ferrigno was embarrassed. And he's like, it didn't bother me. It didn't bother me.  Arnold got you. He won. He tricked you. He psyched you out. It's great. It is great. You want to talk about this movie? Yeah, Dark Knight. Dark Knight. It's great. Everyone knows it. Andy filmed the Dark Knight. I do like this movie. Christopher Nolan, he's another one, kind of like James Cameron. He doesn't, doesn't really miss, does he? No, I think this is for my money. I haven't seen Oppenheimer yet. And if I give it like, if I give it like a five out of 10, it would drastically change this argument. But of the 11 Chris Nolan films I've seen, my least favorite, I think is Insomnia, which I gave an eight out of 10. I think that's the only movie I've ever seen. That's his worst movie. It's fantastic. I haven't seen it. Is that with freaking Robin Williams or maybe? Robin Williams and Al Pacino. Ha! Okay. Al Pacino. The rest of like prestige, 10 out of 10. Memento, 10 out of 10. Tenant, that was maybe not great. Dark Knight Rises also. Seven out of 10. Seven out of 10. Eight out of 10. Batman Begins, Dunkirk, Inception, Interstellar, like these were all hits. Oh man. You have Dark Knight on here. I think I would put, well, why am I in the wrong? Oh, I have it upright, but my tabs are on. Okay. Inception, Interstellar, Oppenheimer, all better than the Dark Knight in my opinion. Really? Yeah. That is, that's a bold, interstellar in my top 25. Oh, prestige as well. I think prestige is better than the Dark Knight, but I'm not as... I think prestige is in my top 52. I have like three or four Chris Nolan movies in here. The Dark Knight for me is my favorite of the group. I think it's just what it did for comic book movies. And I just, I will never forget the way I felt the first time I saw that in theaters. Just like a perpetual crescendo of suspension and a satisfaction and payoff. And I was kind of like, when is this going to end? This movie's so good. I can't believe it's still, and it just kept stacking climax on Tom, a top climax. And it was such a, and obviously Heath Ledger is just like beyond. Heath is great. Aaron Eckhart, I always thought was kind of funny that he was in this movie because he's just an interesting actor choice. It seems like for every serious, decent role he gets, he'll do like a straight to DVD film. It's like, I can't tell. I can't tell. Just got a good actor. He also did the, I don't know what it was that horror flick that came out with the evil demons that went to that one gas station. The whole movie basically took place at a gas station. I can't, Legion, is that an Eckhart vehicle? No, I don't remember. I think that's what it was called. Horrible film, regardless, Eckhart. He did I, Frankenstein. You ever see that? Terrific. Oh yeah, he did some really awful movies. He as Too Faced was good, but I thought that that character was wasted at the end of this film. Yeah, I still wish they had pushed that to another movie, but the final act feels as long as it is, it also feels a little bit rushed. And none of that bothers me though. This is a movie I've watched. I will say of all the movies in my top 10, I think I've watched each of them at least four or five times. And I think that's important. I don't think you can have a movie in your top 10 that you've only seen once. I feel like that's kind of- We should have come up with some ground rules or some sort of basis that we go by. And I think you and I are in alignment with a lot of this and other people I've talked to, other kind of critics on YouTube, all seem to be in the same boat where, and for newer generations, people that are younger than 30 might not actually have the same style, but for me, Watchability is a massive part of a five star film, a movie that I can watch over and over, quote a lot. Those are movies that I look to for some of my favorites. Yeah, right. I think it's 148 movies that I've given five stars to on Letterbox. Of the 148, I've probably only seen, probably like 50 or 60 more than once. There's actually like two thirds of the list. I've actually only seen the one time. Amazing. But those are not the ones I would call my favorites. They're just ones that on a first and only viewing, I was floored by it. And one of these days, I'll probably go back and try to revisit them all. But I would say most of the ones in my top 50, I've seen at least twice, or we're so impressed with my only viewing, that I was like, this has to be in here. That's where I'm at with Oppenheimer, a movie that was an incredible experience, but not something I ever imagined I'm gonna watch more than maybe one other time, if I wanna show my wife or kids when they get older, but otherwise, yeah. Just a really good one time, fantastic watch. All right, The Dark Knight. Yeah, I mean, it kind of elevated superhero movies, made them more serious, more grounded, but it still had the scale that Nolan's known for. And really the focus was on the villains in all of these movies. I think Begins was a little weaker in that aspect, but absolutely The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. The villains were kind of the stars of the show, and Batman was just trying to play catch-up for the most part. Tony. I agree with that. Yeah, Tony from Heck The Movies. This guy is, it's almost embarrassing, and I know he's in on his own joke, but he wanted to say that The Dark Knight Rises is better than The Dark Knight because Tony, as everyone who knows him knows, he was in The Dark Knight Rises. Where, was he, were you an extra, Tony? He was an extra. He would say he's the star from afar, an Aladdin, a star. Tony, I think that is something to be very proud of, and I would remind everyone at any opportunity that I was in one of the best superhero trilogy. Don't turn on me, John. Don't turn on me now, John. I would bring it up all the time. Yeah, so what do you think? Do you think the weather's gonna hold out this weekend? And by the way, you know, I was in Dark Knight Rises with Mary and Coyar. I would just bring that up all the time. Did you just say bats? Were you talking about bats over here? No, we said cats. Well, I heard bats, so I wanted to tell you I was in The Dark Knight Rises. Did you, who was that guy that won all those Super Bowls for the, Tom Brady, right?  He did a movie with me called The Dark Knight Rises. With me, he joined me for the film. Yeah, I would just. That was the scene he was in. He was the extra in the football arena, you know, with the four, five, or 16,000 other extras. Yeah, yeah, right. I was in a, I'm an extra in a movie in that same sense that I'm in like in the crowd of the movie Be Cool, which was the sequel to Get Shorty. Yeah, cool. I've actually never seen the movie, but there's a sequence where they go to an Aerosmith concert, which was a concert I attended. And they were like, so guys, just we want you to look alive. We're going to film this next song for a movie. So we just want you to keep having fun. And we're like, okay. And then they ended. They finished the song, which I think was crazy. And they're like, all right, that was great. Now we're going to play the song again. So pretend like you didn't just hear Stephen Tyler sing that same song three minutes ago. We're going to get different camera angles. Keep cheering everyone. And it's like, okay, I guess. So we saw, we got to see the same song three times in a row. It would be really interesting to be like, okay, just keep doing what you're doing. We're going to do some filming.  Just keep doing what you're doing, guys. Okay, that'd been uncomfortable and awesome. Super chat from Bruce Gooding, LMT. I don't know what that means. What does LMT mean? Limited media? No, that's LMG. Whatever, LMT is at the end. Maybe it's some sort of a reverse trademark thing going on. What about in Glorious Bastards? Great film. That's Quentin Tarantino, Brad Pitt vehicle, like Myers kind of randomly in it.  It's a fun flick. Bastards is a fantastic film. I'm at Tarantino's best, in my opinion. I would say it's probably top five for me. I think Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill are above it. And it's probably one of two others. Did you say you didn't kill Bill that much? Were we in a disagreement on that? No. Okay, okay. I thought I saw somewhere you were like, kill Bill's not that good. I think of the movies that you rated at 10, I was like, this is one of the ones I've, one of the lowest rated I have, but I have it at eight, so it's not like, I don't, I just don't love it, but no, it's very good. All right. Yeah, I think for my money, Django or Bastards is probably his best. Oh, Django's really good too. I like Django. Bobo with a $1.99 super chat says, 2001's Out Cold is the most rewatchable film in my opinion. I've still never seen it. I haven't.  I don't think it's very good. Okay. Yeah, I kind of was worried that that was the thing.  And sometimes that's good to throw on in the background. Like a road trip or a Euro trip. Yes. It's very akin to that sort of cohort of like early 2000s.  Scotty doesn't know. I just think of Austin Powers 3. Scotty doesn't know. What's the one with, yeah, road trip has Tom Green in it, right?  And then there's- I never saw Euro trip. That didn't look very good. There's a lot of movies that kind of came out at the same time. And I have my- We all have the American Pie-esque flavor, Boyzie and Boys, yeah, doing that sort of thing. All right, Dark Knight's great. We both agree. This movie, is this really, where did I put it? The third slot, interesting. This movie used to be kind of a back and forth in the number one. I guess I've just kind of grown up a little bit. Let's get to it. We, we're skipping over your, what are we at now? Did we skip- You had Terminator at number six. Oh, okay. Did I, I missed one? I had Terminator at number five. Let me, hang on. Let me, let me go back and really- I think we skipped one. Let me, let me get my bearings. So I was Terminator at six. Yes, I'm looking at it right now. Okay, there we go. Thank you, John. Thank you for keeping me. So I had six, you're next at five, which is Die Hard. All right, my number five is Die Hard. We talked about it at length, brilliant movie. We don't have to say anything else, but Die Hard is much like John, this is a Christmas staple at my house, regardless of whether or not you think it's a Christmas movie. It is, in our houses. And at my number five is T2, which we just talked about. Okay. So your number four, getting us caught up, is Fight Club. Is Fight Club, yes. Thank you. Let me, hang on. I don't wanna hide the other one. So let me sneakily go back here and then do this again. Okay, we have Fight Club. But before I say that, Master Sergeant shot out of the cannon with a $10 super chat, beautiful super chat. Says, winning, you guys should make a series of this. A top 10 overall is tough. A series of shows about competing top 10 sci-fi films, action, comedy, Western would be fun. I fully agree, fully agree. John, I'd love to have you back. We could easily- Absolutely. I've already put together lists on here of my top 10 favorite foreign movies, my favorite silent movies, my favorite animated, and I think I'll probably branch out and do one for each action drama or whatever. You know what, I got a good list for you, John. Top 10 movies of the person in the movie saying the title of the movie. Top 10 title drops. Top 10 title drops would be a better title than what I just gave you. Top 10 movies of the person saying the movie title of the movie. Top 10 title drops would be great. I have been thinking and I may never do it. I may do it and may do it very well. I've been thinking about doing a super cut of title drops. Oh, that'd be great. It would be too long. So I think it would have to be broken up into 26 different parts for each letter of the alphabet. So top title drops of, and just literally go through every movie I've ever seen that starts with the letter A and do all of the title drops from Armageddon to whatever. I have a couple trope things that I've wanted to do, but I never will. So maybe something you could do down the road, but the trope of getting sideswiped by a car. I'm working on that. I'm literally working on that. I have been taking notes for five years. Okay, so there's two different variants of this. You have the rear view window shot of the car coming at the car and getting hit towards the camera. And then you have the other trope, which is a person for some reason, standing in the middle of open road. I'm doing that one. Bus or a car or in the case of Meet Joe Black, he gets the name. Yeah, I was gonna say it's the Meet Joe Black one. Yeah. It's getting banged by two different cars. Yeah, Mean Girls has it. It's in so many, but the sideswiping. My list is already like 80 to 90 movies long. I couldn't imagine. But you'd be surprised how many movies use that side profile shot of another car going into the side. Yeah, where you're filming, you're looking at the driver like this and you're looking at the side profile of the driver and you can see- Whiplash does it, right? Right towards the end? Oh yeah, Whiplash does it. It's in a ton of, you'd be surprised how many movies do it. Okay, so one I did do, and this is only up until John Wick 3 was a super cut of how many times he flips guys over his shoulder. I think there was 66 in just the first three movies. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean, in the third one alone when he's fighting the two brothers, with the katanas in that room of glass, he just is constantly flipping guys over his shoulders.  But anyway, focusing- Totally off topic, but I appreciate the- Mike Hunt, $2 Super Chat, please tell me the edge. 1997 is one of your favorites. It's not a top 10 movie, Mike. But I do like The Edge. It's another survival film set in the wilderness. Two guys against a bear, Anthony Hopkins, and Baldwin. Baldwin. Yes. I do really enjoy that movie. And I like that it's a- It's good. It's a tight, I feel like it's like an hour and 40, maybe an hour and a half movie. I gotta go re-watch that one. Yeah, it starts right up. I think it's one of three movies that came out in the span of five or six years where birds get stuck in the engine of a plane as it's flying.  And then they go down. It's a very specific trope, but it is a good catalyst for a first act. Another super trope cut for you. Birds flying into engines. All right, one more super chat here from Bruce Gooding. LMT, is he gonna explain the LMT? He did not. Brandon Lee, the crow. So re-watchable and quotable victims. Aren't we all? I like the crow. I can't say I'm, I have like a crow on it. It wasn't worth his life. I'll put it that way. Ooh. Weren't they supposed to redo that movie seven or eight times now? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, there was- I feel like that's like a black script that should just remain unremade, I think. My favorite memory of the crow is in The Office. I think it's season two when they're talking about movies to bring on a deserted island. Never seen The Office. The TV show? Never. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I'm very familiar with it, but I never- Just watch season one through four and walk away, because those scenes are absolute goal. Then just walk away. I'm certain, from all the clips I've seen over the year, and I know Jim, Pam, Mike, I know enough about the show to be, you know, competent and casual. Well, anyway, Dwight, who's like the nerd of The Office, they're talking about movies that they bring on a deserted island.  And as he's leaving with his back to him, Jim goes, hey, Dwight, what's your favorite movie to bring on a deserted island? And without looking at him, he's just like the crow, and then he just keeps walking. It's hilarious. Brilliantly timed. Okay, back to this. Fight Club is, God, so many of these movies we should also point out. I think that a lot of people, when you ask them their top 10 movie list, are gonna be from movies when they were in their teens and 20s. I think that that's the most impressionable years of your life.   And so for guys like us, we look at movies. I remember watching things like Donnie Darko for the first time and being like, what is this trippy crazy thing? Mulholland Drive. And then Fight Club was the one that completely elevated everything for me. So you watched this when it came out when you were like 13 or 14? I saw it in theaters. My buddy Derek actually, I remember the trailers looking kind of lame for it or just they didn't really show much. I wasn't impressed. And my buddy came home and he said, we need to go to Fight Club. He'd already seen it. He loved it. And so he went back for a second outing. And I think I saw it a couple more times in theaters. It's a movie that's so like heavily layered with metaphor and social commentary. And just the cinematography by Fincher is completely insane. You've got cameras going off the sides of buildings. They're going through keyholes. It's kind of the thing he became known for. He's got a really inventive perspective. I know there's a great shot in Panic Room. Oh, Panic Room has several shots. Several shots. It goes under, it goes through like the lip of a coffee mug's handle. And then up the flight of stairs through some railings that they CG two of the railings in. Very, very brilliant guy behind the lens of a camera. I'm glad that you love this. And I appreciate that you contextualized your appreciation because I didn't find this movie until I was 29. And by then I was sort of less than impressed with the faux intellectualism and this like anti-capitalist message. To me, it seemed a little bit like, what's the good way to phrase this? Like when you go to college and you, for like a year or two, become really entranced with like libertarianism. And you're like, yeah, I'm good. Like when you're in that formative between like 18 and 20 and you think that you can just like, say F you to the world and like take over things and I don't need to listen to the government or authority. If I had watched it then, I would have loved it and connected with it. But as like a full grown, fully formed adult and had a mortgage, I was like, ah, this is okay. I love the movie. I love the characters and the story, but like the anti-corporate capitalist message was kind of, it felt too simplistic for me to- Too on the nose. Yeah, it felt too simplistic and too, like, you know, baby's first anti-capitalist. But you know what I mean? Does that make sense? It's fair to say, I guess I never even cared about the anti-establishment stuff. That was all just nothing. Yeah, and again, another movie that I scored an eight out of 10, I really like it. I wouldn't mind revisiting it, but it didn't connect with me. I think the way it probably did for you. Yeah, I liked, again, kind of with Die Hard, all the little things in the movie, the fact that I love the visual tricks more than anything else, but I like that Tyler Durden, I don't even wanna spoil it because I know not everybody's seen this movie. They should absolutely see it, but there's some weird stuff going on and the movie does kind of a 180 in the second act. But what's cool about it is there's all these things leading to it early on that people aren't anticipating or looking for. So it has such great replayability because Fincher put single frames of images throughout the picture. I think there's five different ones of Tyler Durden randomly spliced in. And then on top of that, he even has a character mention this later in the film when they put a giant cock on a Disney movie for a single frame on the theater. And the guy looks at, he's like, yeah, we do it for one frame. The audience knows they saw something but they're not sure what it was, but it stays with them. And I just think that kind of commentary, the smaller little stuff that he's doing is pretty damn clever and it really makes the movie fun to repeat watch. Also, Edward Norton's character, we never learn his name, but it's established later that there's all these crazy diaries in this Paper Street warehouse back room and they're all written in the first person, or I'm sorry, the third person. I am Jack's whatever, masturbatory thoughts. So it's like, okay, is he Jack? Is that this guy or is he this dude? It's just clever, a lot of layers to it. I'm glad you framed it that way because I think I've only seen this the one time when I was 28, 29 years old or whatever, which is like nine years ago now. So I am definitely curious to go back and revisit this and see it. And knowing the twist, sort of knowing the conceit of the structure, if rewatching it would frame a lot of the stuff better. And certainly if I can kind of detach myself from, it's messaging. And what's funny is the anti-capitalist stuff, I'm inclined to agree with, but it's just the way it's presented is sort of like, look at this fresh new perspective on how society is trying to run. I'm like, I mean, I guess. It's not like a new stuff. I didn't care about any of that. I just found that. Yeah, yeah, right. The character stuff is so fascinating. The fact that this guy is having a complete mental breakdown, a collapse, he's really looking inward and saying, what am I doing with my life? You know, his whole house is decorated in Ikea furniture, which is really brilliant how he set this shot up where he's walking through the room and stuff's popping into place. Yeah, I remember that being a really cool. And John, as a person that really loves little Easter eggs in movies, I know you've said your appreciation before about this. There's a Starbucks cup in basically every scene in this film. So wherever they're at, there's a Starbucks cup hidden somewhere in it. I will keep an eye out for that. I have a list on Letterbox called rewatch list. And anytime I have an errant thought like, oh, I haven't seen that, I put it on the list. And then like twice a week, I'll be like, I want to rewatch something I haven't seen in a while. I'll go to that list, pull something off. So I added it to there. Hopefully I'll get a chance to see it before the end of the year. Cripps says with the $2 super chat, just love ya, just love y'all. Also the chat is hilarious, LOL. Oh, that's good. I'm going off the rails a little bit, but we don't have to call attention to it. I really don't, unless it's a super chat, I really don't pay much attention. I do have... That's good, incentivize monetization, Adam. Yeah, Bubba does the moderating here. He does a fantastic job. So he can always, he's got to be ran. I think it probably is worth mentioning. I'm seeing it via StreamYard, which I don't think includes the moderation. So I just see the unfiltered. Oh, nice. I do want to mention, before we go to my number four, I know you have the Mithril membership for how to request a review. I think if you haven't considered it yet, you should do a live stream where you will talk about any movie for 60 seconds based on the super chats that come in. Oh, that would be great. I think I might need that. Just like a puppet, like your little puppet, wear the marionette, the marionette, marionette. I don't know what the phrase is going to be. I don't want a real one. And we just pull your strings for two hours. Yeah, sure, yeah. And just like, all right, dance, dance, boy. Review for us. And just throw out a movie, like Bridesmaids. Like what do you think about this? What do you just throw on movies? That's not about, I mean, we can certainly do that right now, John. I have nothing else better going on. People can always throw on super chats. And with you here, it's like double the knowledge. I think you've seen more movies than I have even. So really it's... I've seen more movies than most people. Although I know I haven't logged a lot of mine in on Letterbox and I'm really bad about doing that. Yeah, you gotta go in there and just mark, watch, click the little eyeball icon. Like I did the first week I signed up. I just, I added all my back data, all my IMDB ratings and stuff. I imported those, my text document and spreadsheets imported those. And then I just went on and went eyeball, eyeball, eyeball, eyeball, all the ones I had seen. And yeah, that was a fun little week doing all that. I completely forgot something earlier before we get back to this really quick. I brought you up a week ago to my daughter because she was talking about, she was like bored one afternoon. I was like, how dare you?  There's so much to do. And I brought up how like, I have a, I know this one loser who used to do this.  No, I'm like, I know this guy, John. He's big into collecting and cataloging a lot of things that he's done in his life. And one of the things he, I believe, maybe I'm wrong, but I told her this. So it's, it's back to her. Is that you collect, you collect a lot of the movie stubs that you get from the theater. I don't, I don't do it anymore. Cause movie stubs are on like that receipt paper. Right. Or you can get the digital one on your phone, which is lame.  But John, this is, this is going to make you sad. What's that? Look, my, oh my God. My daughter Olivia goes, what's a movie? What's a ticket stub? Yeah, she doesn't even know.  She doesn't know. And I had to tell her how movie theaters used to work because to my kids, even though they have experienced the kind of older ways before they forgot they were too young, to them going to the movies is you walk to the concession stand, you buy your drink and you buy your ticket there. Or now I buy them on my phone. So we just bypass everything right into the theater.  And my daughter's like, that's like a lot of people for jobs. I'm like, yeah. But it was kind of personal. It propped up half the US economy. I know. And it connected you more to the experience when you have a guy that's like, hello, sir. Let me take your ticket. You're going down there, enjoy the movie. I don't know. It's all become so disconnected.   Back to the list. Everything's sad and depressing. Let's talk movies again. All right, John. This one. My number four. John Boy. There's probably people in the chat that will agree with you on this, but I cannot believe this is in your top, not your top 10, your top four, top five. Yeah. Is this number four? Put me back on full screen real quick. Yeah. You got the poster here. I made it. Oh, you can't really see, but I also have cap shield over here on the top left of my screen. That's cap. Avengers Endgame is, for me, kind of a placeholder for the entire MCU, or at least the first four phases, the first, or no, the first three phases, right? The good phases before they kind of went on or whatever. So yeah, Endgame for me was a culmination. It was a payoff to 12 years of setup, and it gave me all of the payoffs and all of the scenes that I wanted to see. Cap and Iron Man reconciling after a five-year fallout, grabbing Mjolnir the entire resolution to everything that was so brilliantly set up in Infinity War. I kind of look at those as one big story. I have more enjoyment watching the ending than the setup of that five-hour story. But yeah. I'll push back on you as far as, because you said that it gave you everything you wanted as far as these kind of narrative. Except for Hulk's progression. And you were cool with Thor, because I thought Hulk and Thor were treated either too cartoonish and comical on the Thor side, or they just didn't even conclude it as far as Hulk goes at all. And I thought that was miserable. I agree. It doesn't bother me too, too much, though. All right. And the Thor stuff I'm okay with. I think his characterization and his arc and getting back with his mother and kind of like getting his mojo back, so to speak, that all worked for me. And the final scene, Alan Sylvesterie's score, the portal scene, that's just, it gives me goosebumps every time. Love this movie. I think Infinity War is probably peak MCU. I like that one more. Were these done at the same time? They were shot back to back. Were they shot back to back? Okay. It's weird because they feel pretty different, I think, from each other. They do feel very different. I don't know. The tone of the first one is so dire.  I don't think I breathe. When I saw that movie in theaters, I don't think I, I know I wasn't breathing through definite parts of that movie. And I remember looking down at my chair and my hands were actually squeezing the front in the first 30 minutes of that movie. I was so tensed up watching. It's the first time I felt like these characters could actually die and there would be some meaning behind it after what, building 15, 20 movies in. And with Endgame, it just, it felt sillier again. It felt lighter again. There was definite fan service all over the place, which was fine, that's, we want. People often say, the movie's fan service. I'm a fan. I want to be sure. I'm a movie fan. I want service. Otherwise you get the last Jedi and then people are pissed because they did the opposite of fan service. Right. And which one do you want? Do you want subverting expectations or do you want it on the nose? Or maybe we find something in the middle where that's where I like to be. A little bit more in the middle. Give me some fan service, but don't go too hard with it. And Endgame, I think, while I do like the movie and it was definitely a great ending, I do find it a lot sloppier than Infinity War. And I just have a hard time saying top 10 movie of all time. However, theater experience wise, absolutely top 10 theater experience of all time. Yeah, I think that's a huge big part of it is I've actually, I think only watched this movie twice. I've watched individual clips a bunch of times, but I've only watched it all the way through two times and both times were in the theater. And it was, yeah, I think it's probably the only time I've cried in an IMAX theater. So yeah, I'll take that. When Captain Marvel came and moved through the ships. Strong female. There she is. There she is, the first Avenger. Yeah, no, Tony Stark, absolutely. It paid off the things that mattered, right? Yeah, yeah, right. You got those things. I love it. It's not an opinion I'm ashamed of either. No, you don't need to know. I feel like every time we say, let's speed up, we take 20 more minutes. I know, I know. Let's get to your number three. We have three more and to be fair, we have already talked about one of them. And I think this one, we both share at least a common ancestor. We have in the number three spot, the Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship of the Ring. For me, this can be swapped with Return of the King, although I don't have Return of the King on here. I felt like taking up three different spots with Lord of the Rings. Yeah, put that up full screen so you can see this. We were talking about ticket stubs. Look how old this is. Oh, nice. This is from 2002. This ticket stub is 20 years old. And it splits. Liberty Tree Mall. Liberty Tree Mall in Massachusetts in Danvers. Look at that. That's quality stuff right there. I still have it. This is one of the oldest ones I have back. I actually, I still have my ticket stub to the Phantom Manus, which is from like 99, but. That's beautiful. Yeah, I saw all three of these opening day or opening weekend anyway. Return of the King is my. I hope they did it for me. I did them in nights of all three. I went, I went, I think Christmas Eve morning, all three years. Or actually, no, I just had it up, right? This was December 30th, or the week later then. So not opening week. One of them.  You have the proof. One of them I saw and I know I had school the next day. I had college the next day. So I remember the movie got done at three in the morning or three 30 in the morning. Cause these were the 12 o'clock one showings back when. Yeah, right. But when you didn't have, Thursday previews were not a thing yet. You still had to see it on Friday. You had to see it at 12 o'clock one because that was the loophole. It's like, well, technically it's Friday, you know? Or was it Friday to Saturday? I can't remember what it was. No, no, it would have been Friday morning at 12 o'clock one AM. So late, late. Yeah, yeah, yes. Thank you. So yeah, I had class that Friday and I remember this movie got done around three 30 and I went, I'm like, I can't sleep because I have a cram for a test. So I ended up going to like a local Perkins that's open 24 seven and I just was pouring coffee down my throat and I hated coffee at the time cramming for a test. I'm not even sure if I passed, but I remember the Lord of the Rings kicking ass. And I wasn't a book guy. I knew nothing about this series. I didn't know about Middle Earth or Gandalf or Frodo or Samwise. And I was absolutely captivated by this whole thing. The performances were brilliant. The fact that the trilogy consistently is almost without complaint for me is pretty damn impressive to not only hit the first one out of the park but stick the landing. And again, the Lord of the Rings Fellowship is kind of just a placeholder for all three films. I was gonna say, it's interesting that you chose the first one because for the same reason I picked Endgame, Return of the King is my favorite of the trilogy. And I actually have that at 11 on my top list. So it doesn't quite make this top 10 list today, but yeah. I honestly go back and forth between Fellowship and Return of the King. I swap which one I put in representation. It's funny cause a lot of people like two towers the most. They're all really equally fantastic in separate ways. I wish they were a little bit more accessible in terms of length. And it's not the type of movie you can just put on. You have to really like, I got to set aside my evening, put on the subtitles and like turn up the volume and like set aside a day for it. So I've actually only watched the trilogy all the way through like twice or three times since they came out. Cause it is like a once a decade for me. I'll put them all on and make a weekend out of it. But yeah. I feel like Mike Hunt is just a disappointed father throughout this entire live stream. Cause here he is again with the $2 super chat. I have, I hope gladiators on this list or there's going to be hell to pay. Sorry. Spoiler, Russell Crowe is not on this list in any shape or form, but I do, I do like gladiator. I can't say I'm hyped though for the, was it a prequel or a sequel that really Scott's working on? He's working on a sequel, gladiator two, the re-gladiating. Yeah. We got a sequel for gladiator. We have a prequel and a sequel for heat. I believe, so they're just, you know, it's never going to end. Why? Michael, well, because Michael Mann hasn't really, has he done anything since collateral that's worth mentioning? I think he did a movie called black hat, but I didn't like it. I didn't see it. I don't know. I didn't see it so it can't be good. It's impossible. That is, that is, that is how most of the country thinks about many things. I've never heard of it. That doesn't exist. Yeah. All right. So, number three, this is number three. This is my number three. It is the third in the trilogy and the third best movie ever made in my opinion, just far none of the trilogy. I agree. I love the last crusade. Absolutely. So I recently rewatched all of them and obviously in preparation for dial of destiny, which I actually really liked, but the movie was pretty good. And re-watching them for the first time in like six or seven years, I definitely, I used to watch these like, well probably like twice a month. And it occurred to me, I think the crusade's better than Raiders. I think Raiders obviously established the formula, established the character, all the motifs and music. So that gets, I think, more credit for kind of building the universe, but crusade kind of takes those concepts and ramps them up. And same reason why I think I like Rocky II more than the original is it takes those things that worked and does it even better. And the injection of Connery and that sort of buddy comedy element they have in this is just, is so effective and so fun and. Well, and they tried it, they did it with all of the movies, right? They always give India sidekick or two. But here I think they really nailed down a good tone with the father-son dynamic. And I guess this is technically what? The first sequel to Indiana Jones because Temple of Doom is a prequel, right? Yes. Okay.  They wanted a new love interest without getting rid of Marion. So it's like, what if it happened before? He got back together with Marion Ravenwood. And then by this movie it's like, who's Ravenwood? I don't know. Don't bother explaining it, it's fine. Yeah. And I don't hate Temple of Doom, but this feels more paste-wise and feels more, this feels like a sequel to Indiana Jones. Whereas Temple feels like a weird aside Yes, it totally feels like, I mean, the same reason that all the Bond movies have that very formulaic cold open, well, you know, gun barrel, cold open title sequence, MI6 headquarters, debriefing, mission, whatever, whatever location change, mission, whatever location change. Right. Temple of Doom was like, he's already in the wild and now he's going over here and he just picks it up as he goes. Whereas in Raiders and Crusade, it's sort of there's a cold open, he's at Marshall College, he figures out what he's going to do. He gets his team together and goes out like, I feel like they felt more familiar for lack of a better. You know, John, you brought up Dial of Destiny and liking it. We might have to do a movie feuds on that one because I feel like I just, I can't, I can't stand my- You really didn't like it that much? I don't know if I've watched your review of that one yet, I should. I didn't like it, no.  And that's the kind of, that's the pulpy serial nature of Indiana Jones. That's the spirit of the character. So then taking him and kind of, I don't even say deconstructing him, they just didn't really do much with him at all. He's just kind of there in the scene, still doing his thing. I don't know, it was, it was weird. And the opening 25 minutes CG or deep fake- I actually liked that a lot. I've heard everyone complain about how wonky it looks and- No, no, no, no, I'm not going that. I was going to say, I'd almost prefer they just did the whole movie like that. Oh, okay, then I'm on board. I thought that first- That's more the spirit of Indiana Jones, you know, that's the younger 30 to 40 year old here. And I'm just looking forward that I want to see in the movie. I do think it's a little off, of course, it's not one to one, but it is really close, a lot of the time. Yeah, but they're all, I enjoy all of them, even Crystal Skull.  I watched that and I'm like this, I'm having fun. There's a lot of sequences in here that are very enjoyable. There's stuff that's like the swinging on the vines. It's like, all right, this is a little childish, but most of it kind of works. You'll have to, that was another one I did, the Jaws, the Revenge style video on. I broke down. I think I did see that. I enjoyed that. That one I think I did see. That was fun to do. Yeah, in the last crusade, it's great. I really liked the whole idea of the Fountain of Youth, being these different, the little tests they have to do at the end of the film, going through the swinging axis going by, like they're in a Mortal Kombat stage. Yeah, it's absolutely like that. Very good. All right, let's go to, do you have more to say on that? We've come to the Silver Metal, Silver Metal films. Yeah, I was actually a little disheartened to not see this on your list, but maybe you're, it's on a bigger one in the Top 23. It's number 33. So what are you saying? I can dodge bullets. Nuh-uh, nuh-uh, nuh-uh, nuh-uh, nuh-uh. Highly quotable, highly stylized, totally unique in the genre of sci-fi. I know it's taken inspiration from other things. I know that Wachowski supposedly ripped it off from someone else.  I love the movie. I love this movie. Keanu Reeves, his deadpan delivery is perfect as a- He doesn't have another delivery. No, his whatever you wanna call it works perfect as an avatar in a fake CG version of the real world. I think Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith is one of the greatest villains of all time. And that list, you'll our list, Mr. Anderson. You'll notice our list today, our top 10s each, both contain some of the best villains, full stop. Heath Ledger as Joker, Hans Gruber by Alan Rickman, Darth Vader, Thanos, of course. And Billy Zane in Titanic, thank you very much. And the iceberg in Titanic, the door, the door in Titanic. Apollo Creed, yeah, no, there's good villains. Oh my God, all of these movies have great villains. The T-Rex in Jurassic Park. But anyway, the Matrix was just, a lot of the movies on my list and John's, not only do they kind of hold up well, they talk to you at the time you were born, the teenage years, the high school college years, and they revolutionized film in some way or another. I was gonna say a good number of these were sort of landmark events in T- Absolutely, absolutely. Jump forward in CGI accomplishments in 91. Jurassic Park did the same in 93. Titanic won the most Oscars of any movie ever released. Avengers Endgame won the most money of any movie ever released. And the Matrix basically reinvented an entire genre at the end of the millennium. It made sci-fi cool again. It really did. Yeah, I do not want to misdefect it, although it's not in my top 10. I did give it a 10 out of 10. And it is a phenomenal film. And I love it. I actually have not seen the fourth one, which I heard you hate, so. John, it's so sad. This is another quick story with my kids. So my kids have both seen the Matrix trilogy now. And I have softened a lot on the trilogy over the years, time has healed wounds. I really, I've always dug reload, reloaded, and Revolution... I like the second one's pretty good. Yeah, the third one was really good during the event. Revolutions is definitely the weakest of the three. I remember leaving the theater being very salty about that movie. And over time, I have grown to accept it for what it is. It's not the route I would have gone, not in my headcanon, but I get where they were going with it and I appreciate it for what it is. Now, the trilogy as a whole is fantastic and very rewatchable. But anyway, my kids each experienced the Matrix with me, the trilogy on their own terms. I watched them all with my daughter. Over a couple of days, we had burritos. It was this magical, awesome experience. And then my son, Connor, a couple of years later, we did the same thing. And then I was so excited to tell him that the new one was coming out soon. And I was gonna go see it with the same buddies that I grew up watching these movies with.  It's a parody of itself in the worst way possible. And I came home and my kids were both there, like dogs at the door, waiting to hear what the owner had to say. And I just looked down, defeated, and just shook my head and walked upstairs. That was it. And that was it. It was too funny. I'm glad my kids respect me enough. My opinion on movies because they still haven't had any inkling to watch it to see for themselves. And I told them, like, listen, I don't wanna sour you guys on it. It didn't work for me. You are more than welcome to check it out on your own. I'll gladly put it on for you. And both of them are like, no, we're good, Dad. We got the trilogy. It sounds like you're doing everything right, man. I'm trying. I'm trying. All right, John, we are going to your number two. It's name, number two. Share this. We have, oh, look at that. We already talked about Treat Williams and the rest of the great cast. The unsung hero of Empire Strikes Back, William. It also, I mentioned all the things it gave us. I forgot to include the Wampa and the Taun Tauns. Taun Taun. Do you say AT-AT or AT-AT? I usually say AT-AT. I do too. Thank you. Thank you. All terrain, attack, transport. Thank you very much. I know my Star Wars. And it just feels like everything else is said kind of verbatim, like you say C-3PO. You don't see Slytherpo. You don't say R2-D2. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. You say R2-D2. You say each individual letter and number. If you've ever read any of the novelizations for the movies, and I read the novelization for Phantom Menace prior to its release because I was so impatient. I'm like, I'm gonna read the book before the movie comes out so I know everything. They actually write the droids' names out in prose. So R2-D2 is A-R-T-O-O-O, R2-D2 is different out. And C-3PO is like S-E-E-T-H-R-E-E-P-I-O. They just write it out in prose. Yeah, it's, I don't know. That's interesting, I guess. Anyway, Empire is Great. One of the best movies of all time. Moving on. Certainly, I mean, I have the Millennium Falcon shirt on. I've been a Star Wars nerd since I was a kid. I'm not on all the, I haven't seen any episodes of any of the TV shows besides Obi-Wan. And I didn't even really care for that. I feel like I'm so disheartened and what's the word? Yeah, I just disheartened. Gathered, beaten down. That I've fallen off like the Star Wars rise of Skywalker killed like any love I had for this franchise. And it's so, so sad that what once used to be like my absolute number one gold standard movie. I'm like, I can't even, like there's a new Ashoka. Is it Ashoka? Does that even say it? Yeah, who cares?  I don't, that's whatever. I don't care. It's just, I don't at all. But I did care for the original.  I can't, there's a part of me that just, I can't with it, that you like that movie. It's not just that I like, I really love it. You really love it. It's like one of the best movies of this decade. Can you at least, can you at least back off the thing that I don't know if you've said this, maybe you haven't. Yeah, I don't. A lot of people have said after it came out that when an empire came out, people didn't like that either and it took a long time before they appreciated it. Can you at least say, yeah, this is gonna be for the people that like it now, down the road, last Jedi isn't gonna be looked at as the empire of the new trilogy. Are you willing to at least? I probably had said that at some point where I felt that a lot of the early negative reception to last Jedi felt reactionary rather than intellectually or it felt more emotionally motivated rather than intellectually motivated. And I was of the opinion, and I don't know if I still am, that with time people would sort of understand Ryan Johnson's vision and concept, but that argument has had its legs cut off because the rise of Skywalker immediately, forcefully and deliberately retconned every one of those decisions that I liked. The things and the directions it was going, it just ruined it all. So in hindsight, had we got a Ryan Johnson threequel, I would say, I would have been vindicated by history, but JJ Adram's ruined any chance we had of any type of through line that had cohesion. I would love to be a fly on the wall with some of their conversations or what they were thinking because there was a lot of apologists when Rise of Skywalker came out that said, no, no, no, no, Disney had a plan. This was all along, like JJ was handing notes to Ryan and Ryan is giving the news. There's a scene where like Kylo literally takes his helmet and glues it back together. And that like that is like the visual metaphor of JJ Abrams being like, no, that's mine and I'm gonna use it. It's just- Not only that, not only that, John, but don't forget that Luke Skywalker comes out in the third movie and he grabs the lightsaber and he like scolds Ray about it like she's Ryan Johnson. Like, how dare you throw this or treat it with disrespect? Yeah, no, it's so frustrating that they were not working in any sort of cohesion or concert. Because although a lot of the decisions in the second movie I could see why they would upset you and others, I was like, ooh, I really like that this is doing something different. I really love that they're making bold choices. I love that they got rid of Snoke and it's like, there's gonna be a power vacuum. That to me is more interesting than just a big shadowy big bad. I'd rather see Kylo and Ray fight for control of the galaxy in like an internal conflict but instead it's like, oh, Palpatine's back. I was like, oh, that's the laziest way to do it though. See, but I would say that even that is almost the laziest way. Ray versus Kylo? I mean, that's just, again, good versus evil. For a second, Ryan had me when they teamed up in that red room, which- That's what I mean, I wanted to see that movie. Yeah, I will stage up.   I love that scene of the movie but it's about the only thing I really thought worked well was that, I mean, and Ray, by the way, Daisy Ridley is just giving it all in this moment. She's just a badass through and through. But the moment then when he completely heal turns and says, okay, join me now and we can be bad. I was thinking, what? You just completely undercut the coolness that you did by killing Snoke and having these two kind of team up and go this wild new direction. Now it's just back to, all right, I'm the new Darth Vader, you're the new Luke Skywalker. Yeah, I could total, which is why what I was hoping from the third movie would be some really good conflict where they do figure out a way to team up in a way that brings other conflict. But instead it's like, oh, there's just a new enemy and now it's just everything I wanted and hoped for was ruined. So we both got the disappointment. It was just, it took one movie longer to get there. Right, no, I think that's what's so frustrating is, and I mentioned this in my initial reviews of all three movies, especially in my review of Rise of Skywalker, which I think was the last video I did on YouTube. It was so bad I just left the internet. That was kind of how I felt about it after that. But what I mentioned in that review is that it not only cheapened itself, it worsens what came before. Sure. And as a result, nobody is happy. And you're unsatisfied, I'm disappointed. And it's like, nobody wins. It's like Force Awakens comes out, I'd say 90% is pretty much on board and happy with this movie.  New characters. Beautiful Safri Boot, yep, Safri Boot. Set us up fo