Roedd hynny'n gallu cwestiynau wrth i ddweud y byddai? Dyna, ddwy'n ddwych yn gallu bod yn dyfu gyd. Ddych chi'n fwy o ddweud y rhan o gyllid channel 4 yfnwch yn fwy o'r bobl? Rhaid yna mae o'n meddwl chi'n bwysig yng nghymru o'r effeithio'r project? Dyna dda nhw wedi cael arbennig unrhyw unedol ar hwn ar ei ddechrau. Mae'r ffordd o'r bwysig o'r cwlad chyfnodig. Felly, rhes i chi'n gweithio o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r bwysig o'r gweithio yma yng ngyfodol o'r pethau o'r bywysig o'r bwysig o ddiweddol i gweithio'r ddau i drwg. I mean it wasn't sort of heavily, it wasn't tied to curriculum or it wasn't sort of heavily I guess motivated by the education but it was certainly of real interest to look at you know how those topics might be engaged in through a direct dialogue with the audience. Obviously Channel 4 are really interested in sex education and so I think that was definitely an outcome that we were looking at. I think you know just the sort of level of engagement to what extent the participants would respond and engage with it. And also demographic data, what sort of demographic or audience this type of project could appeal to, feedback in terms of not only the sort of technology but the sort of context and the content. We tested things like sending messages at 11.30 at night and we got quite a few responses saying my mum's crossing at me because you sent me a message at midnight and so I guess we sort of tested the boundaries a little bit of when we could sort of interact with the audience. So yeah I think there's the sort of educational, the creative and the sort of demographic really. Okay, thank you. Any other immediate questions? I'm going to ask some things. Go on then. Two down here. Thank you. Hold on I know you can't because the mic won't put you up for the filming sorry. I'm sure you can shout lightly with that. Thanks. Well it was really through the relationship with Matlock and Matlock is someone who sort of comes from a media art background so he knows the work of Blast Theory and is really I guess supportive and interested in the way that sort of artists and creative people are interacting with sort of digital media. So Mat Adams who's one of the Blast Theory artists has known Matlock for quite a few years you know sort of professionally and socially and Mat Adams has actually been a facilitator now on these labs called crossover labs that happen sort of once or twice a year that are sort of hot residential, hot houses for sort of cross-platform development. So Mat and I actually both were on a crossover that was facilitated for Channel 4 so it was sort of like, I don't know it was, it was sort of like cherry picking off the Channel 4 commissioners because they were all like you know all together in a room like this and it was a and Mat was a facilitator at that particular crossover and I was, my role was real this is just a little aside I was sort of like playing a ghost in a sort of pervasive media game because it was in an old house so that was sort of quite weird. But I guess it's sort of access to those Channel 4 commissioners and developing relationships with them but I think obviously what we're looking at doing now is how we develop our pitching skills, how we actually take a project to a Channel 4 commissioner that we don't have a relationship with. But I think it is being in the places that the commissioners are like you know something like Sheffield Dockfest or you know get on their mailing list and you know get to events that Channel 4 run and they have actually, I mean they are sort of really broadening their scope at the moment and are inviting new projects and they have actually just in the last week launched a sort of call for new projects. So they are definitely sort of sniffing around for new ideas but I think also you can just email them and they are pretty responsive actually. Okay, John here, microphone coming. Who are you? Sorry I know who you are but others may not. I mean digital media organisation talk about metadata and control of the cabinet which many people here might be, might be new terms to them. It's very interesting in this week where hashtags have joined us up on Twitter. We probably all realise the power of certain words and that's what you're talking about. It's how you bring audiences to digital content using particular terms. I just wondered if you've worked with any other or traditional cultural organisations using your expertise in control of the cabinet areas of metadata. I mean to be perfectly honest, no. It's been a sort of organic process as we've developed but also looking at how Amazon, how Google, how these other search engines work and some of them are very, very simple. In terms of our business and to monetise our assets you've got to make the purchase path and the search mechanism as simple as possible, not multiple clicks. So I think it's a marriage between the metadata and the purchase path but as I say seeing what's out there and what works for your average Joe who might not be in the B2B market, might be a B2C business to consumer or just an ordinary person. I think there's a lot that we can learn and that we are learning from. The whole area of cloud sourcing is quite interesting. There's something called, I don't know, Tegasaurus or something out there that I think Magnum were using to add metadata to their film stills. And it seems great, that seems wonderful but the first time you get it wrong and even though 19 people out there might agree that that picture is that date and those people and you think, oh great, that validates that. It's a bit like Wiki and then you put it up and then it goes in a book, someone discredits that and then someone has to pulp 500,000 books, then you've got a problem. So certainly in the factual world, in the editorial world, we need to be absolutely spot on and from an archival sense you can't possibly be that because you're looking at captions that were written 150 years ago sometimes. So they might have notated it down incorrectly or used the wrong word and even just semantics is a big, big deal. I have been banned from Turkey by the embassy because we use the word genocide instead of massacre for the Turkish issue in 1915. But just us using that word genocide instead of massacre or slaughter or whatever on our website cause all sorts of problems. So as I say, you need to be very careful. Okay, really interesting. Any other questions from the floor? I'm going to ask one in that case about intellectual property because George, you flagged, you had to deal with things you hadn't dealt with before in dealing with Channel 4. I've done an awful lot of broadcast related work including with Channel 4 over the years. Issues, what should people be aware of? Are there any enabling things you come across as a good stuff in the intellectual property debate? Was it just a lot of hard yards you've got to do? You have to do the hard yards, definitely. I mean there are a couple of issues around intellectual property. There's the IP and copyright in the story itself and there's also the IP in the software development. Some of you probably know you can't actually patent or copyright an idea or a concept but you can sort of patent software and you can sort of exert IP rights on software. So I guess a really key issue for us in this was ensuring that we own the IP in the software so that we can use that later because business models is something we're really looking at at the moment and it's really important for us as a group of artists to be rewarded for the innovation and R&D that we've undertaken over the last 15 years in this area. So it's a lot of legal work to really work out what we own and what IP we own and we are actually doing IP audits at the moment. In terms of the relationship with Channel 4, the first contract they gave to us, they wanted us to assign all of our rights to them, which was a real problem. And because organisations like PACT, which is a sort of producers support organisation, has worked with Channel 4 and broadcasters for many years to ensure that producers and independents maintain the rights to their work. So it was a bit of a shock to us to get this contract that wanted us to assign all the rights. So we had to go through a very protracted stage of negotiation with our lawyers and Channel 4 lawyers just to make sure that we kept the rights to the work and that we could give them a licence. So it just seems sort of money needlessly spent on working out this sort of rights negotiation with Channel 4, which many independents before us have spent a lot of money on and gone through. But we sort of came to an agreement in the end, but I think the key learning for us is the sort of processes of maintaining your IP and identifying what your intellectual property is, which I'm sure you've... Oh yeah, well I'm a former vice-chair of PACT so I was responsible for negotiating the deal they were supposed to use instead of the one that they did with you or tried to. So we come to this, Matt. We come to this question of IP. You're helping people leverage the value of their IP. I mean you own a lot and you have lots of different relationship models. It's sort of what interested me most about the kind of range of models you presented was quite a lot of them are applicable in the context of arts organisations partnering together etc. It's not just in a big commercial context. People got to get over a boundary, they've got to get over a sort of hurdle about hanging on to their IP and being in charge of it to make the most of a relationship. With somebody like you? Yeah, I mean sometimes contributors and image partners look at our contracts and they don't necessarily like the terms because there's a certain amount of comfort we have to give ourselves so you're not going to be sued further down the line. So for example a contributor has given you what they say is their copyright. Is it actually their copyright? Exactly. They have to sign contracts saying that. So if we are sued further down the road for whatever reason then we're clear. So sometimes, and it varies, you've got big institutions who have whole teams of lawyers who will pick through our contracts in one way and then you'll have someone that doesn't really understand IP rights. He's just a photographer, a jobbing photographer. Did he work for someone? Was he employed? Has he got moral rights? And it can become a real minefield. So absolutely. Some people are quite blasé about it. Certain photographers will quite happy for us to sell to anyone, anywhere, any price point. Other photographers are very, very choosy about their work. They don't want it cropped. They don't want it rotated or flipped. They don't want it sold into the States. They don't want it sold on less than $500 and so on and so forth. So there's lots of restrictions that you need to apply to each asset. The trouble is you just put more and more barriers in the way. And it is a volume driven business now. There's the odd image that we'll sell as an exclusive for a silly amount of money. But most of the time the price per image is being driven down because of market forces. The digital world, even in our 15, 16 years of business, has changed enormously. Certainly since the advent of what we call microstock sites like iStock. And there's new ones coming out. People are giving stuff away now. Literally it's free. So how can you compete with that? And the point is you don't. You try and compete on quality and a good search system and having the assurance that you've got the rights to sell that. So there is an integrity in those rights. And there's a lot of guys that don't care about that that leads to all sorts of problems. But do you think a lot of people get themselves tangled up trying to worry about how they're going to protect against the risk and worry about piracy and all that stuff first and foremost? And in fact in the digital space it's kind of make it available, manage the process sensibly but don't sit there thinking you can handle it. And there's this thing about all, if it's digital and it's all out there and it's easily pirateable and this and that. And I thought well our industry has always been based on trust.  And the customer is going to use it in the way that they say they're going to use it. And it's no different in the digital age. Yes it's broader and it's quicker to get worldwide but it's no different at all. There's a license involved that the customers say they're going to do what they've signed up to do. And if they don't do that or they do more then we will come after them. We have a nice piece of software, well we bought the company, called Picscout. And Picscout is basically a web crawler. We embed all our images with certain secret data so this web crawler can go out and find our imagery, checks against our sales system. If it's been licensed great, if it hasn't been licensed we will go after the end user and charge them for that. That's caused a lot of anguish out there in the marketplace because you'll find that some guy just downloaded something to use on his website, minuscule, and then he gets a £1,600 bill and he gets very, very upset. And I thought, but why did you feel that you could use that and basically steal that image and not pay anyone, anything, or the photographer, whether it's ours or someone we represent. And some people get very, very upset. And then you get into the whole Google discussion and the Hargreaves report and Clause 43 and making stuff available that really worried us considerably. Cos we're trying to protect people's rights, not just make stuff just generally available for every Tom Dick and Harry. OK, brilliant. It seems to me that you're sort of both to some degree talking about finding audiences that are engaging with your work in ways which are meaningful for them. In your terms it may be commercial, in yours it may be the very specific sort of creative and participatory experience. I was once advising the chief executive of the UK Film Council at a meeting of film heads around Europe in Paris. And I remember to this day a rather brilliant guy who was the equivalent in Belgium. And there was this great conversation going on about piracy and how digital was threatening traditional model. And he was absolutely adamant that you had to really, you didn't have one size fits all solutions in digital. You had to think it through according to your circumstances. Great line was when they were talking about piracy. He said, look, I dream about the day when anybody cares enough about a Belgian film to want to pirate it. And I thought actually that's quite a pragmatic response and a quite a pragmatic sort of approach to what to do with digital media and digital technology and art sort of work. Look, thank you very much for two really compelling and interesting case studies. And we're going to break for lunch. We're going to come back at 1.45 for a presentation or at least a conversation about the Brighton Digital Festival. But thanks again and we'll see you back at 1.45.


So to understand these structural features and why evolution happens we need to understand why some folds are stable And why some folds in particular are more stable than other folds. I'm going to need to show you an example fold here It's a Rossman domain, but it doesn't matter in this case What things are good and tend to make fold stable? Well, there are a couple of things First you need many hydrogen bonds in particular the saturation and the helices that all all amino acid residues Participate in hydrogen bonds. That's awesome. In particular in the interior of the protein if we had unpaired hydrogen bonds That would be very unfavorable They either need to bind to water molecules or they need to bind to something else that is hydrogen bond partner We don't want these long loops to exist in the interior partly for their reason of hydrogen bonds But also because they're not going to pack very well and they would also the loops are kind of floppy, right? So that that means that there's lots of entropy there if you take those loops and put them interior We would lose a lot of entropy bad in terms of free energy We also want the edge of the helices and sheets to face water That's partly related to this hydrogen bond pairing But again when we are at the edge of a sheet, we're no longer forming more hydrogen bonds. It's much better to let that face water Helix and sheet regions should usually be a bit separate and by separate I don't mean separate as in one alpha part and one beta part here But so we actually have one complete beta sheet It happens to be stuck between kind of two layers of alpha helices But there is a little bit this joint and that's because we can pack 20 residues in an alpha helix And I can or I can pack say 10 or 15 of them in a sheet But the more I mix them the more complicated it gets so somewhat segregated and Then I need to make sure that I don't have too many distortions So putting a proline in a helix technically I can do it but then I would get that kink in the helix I might be able to survive one such defect, but as you will see in a few slides Each such defect is costly and having more than one is virtually impossible


rime time this is a Thursday night game but uh Oh, no, I ain't I ain't on no special level uh kb kc You definitely want to much levels higher than me because I ain't nothing man Uh, oh it is just those three wow Hey, it's all good man. Maybe we might get flexed so we'll see We'll see Did I did I said the jets right? Do I did I say something else because I know it's it's late night. I might say something crazy, man Texans. No, we got uh Patriots Sunday night uh rams Monday night And jets Thursday night Yeah, Hollywood should be practicing tomorrow, man Baltimore best hope jets win No, man We don't need jets winning but Well, anyway, yeah, man. It's It's early morning Well, yeah, it is It depends on how you look at it Very cool that your wife is in you. Oh, yeah, yeah that that that makes a huge huge huge huge huge difference huge difference Because has she not been supported Then yeah, just things would have just been way different, but she She is a huge support. There have been many times especially when we was at our old apartment um Where she would and Carter was a baby. So he didn't really know as much back then he didn't understand as much back then but she would um She would take Carter away. She would like take him to the park or something. She would take him to the store Uh, just so I could do a video Because we didn't have as much space back then um Because I was I was doing the videos from the living room and the living room was like right by the kitchen and right by Just everything right by where Carter would be at all the time and she like she's been super supportive um For forever For forever, um So, yeah, it it makes a huge difference And she she just she knows she gets it like even um Even when we went to disney world like a couple months ago And it was around when gerald it was when jerry mccoy got released. It was the same day, uh um What's the dude's named linebacker ruben foster he towards acl for the reskins and that same day, uh jerry mccoy He got released. So maybe he got at least he did the same day the next day But I was doing the videos while we were at disney world And I was like I said babe. I gotta work real quick. She's okay cool Okay, cool sit me so She she supports like crazy, man she supports like crazy and Yeah, it it it means everything because it makes a big difference Oh ram's gonna be interesting if well picks off some more that would be something He may you know, we'll see As long as ravens win. That's all I care about me Just gotta win to be honest. I think uh, he could get a thousand yards rushing the wall He needs to average like 63 game. I think you could oh no, I remember a turn of it. No, I'm just waiting for the beep appreciate that though, man appreciate it I'm waiting for the beep because it it it got 20 minutes Glad to hear your family supported you through the journey through the ups and downs Now you can finally say you made it who knows you might get a job with the ravens at infield because you're in a lot more I ain't really in nothing, but I mean we'll see never know never know But I would never want a job that would keep me away from them from my family Oh in a lot more than the analysts Oh, no, they didn't more than me But yeah, if if it was a job that would have me away from them for crazy amounts of time No Oh, y'all hear that So you think ravens have internships they do They do you can go to um to ravens.com and They they got a little section that has it Yeah, they got internships. What's up Drake? What's going on, man? Yeah, family first for sure, man because just like Money is not worth being away from your family. Uh It's just not man It's not like I wish if ravens offer me a job I can I work from home if they say yeah, even if Oh, you you you want me to travel maybe once a month? Okay, maybe twice But once a month, that would be good for me, but Never know man Never know how do you sign up? Hold the best way bro. You get a job. I appreciate that paul. Thank you, man Let me look for it right now I think it's all the way at the bottom I'm I'm been I've been pretty good. Drake. How about you, man? How you been doing?  Yeah, any internship you gotta be over 18. I think Everything a move in there No Oh ready for the football season. Yeah, we all love me I I don't know. I wouldn't move there. I don't like the cold man I love this warmth this Florida weather Um, no, I don't think I would move there though That's how I say I wouldn't mind traveling there for like like I say maybe once a month or something like that um twice would be kind of pushing it but Because traveling is a is a lot especially if you do a lot of it But let me go get that at the oh you can't do it. All right. It's all good, man. Be there soon enough. I'll be right back perfect Okay Do you live did you live in Orlando or do you live in Florida? Well, those are both the same place Because Orlando is in Florida. No, I'm in south Florida Orlando is about Three hours from here Are you excited to see the defense? Yeah, it's gonna be fun, man. This is it's gonna be fun I can't we believe we really been on here for this long It says we've been streaming for two hours, but It seems like it's been a lot longer Can't believe so many y'all still in here right now so late Y'all don't like sleeping Y'all must not like sleeping, man. Are you about to look at Eagle internships? Yeah, man. Go for it, man.  So I had my camera. I had water I had uh All the stuff that they give you in the front when you first walk in there and I'm like man, I need a bag, man But I didn't have my card on me. So I couldn't buy anything to get a bag. So I went to the people at the store I was like, look I said I said, I know that the worst you could tell me is no which is fine and I understand But I said I I can I get one of the bags, please and she gave me a bag. I said, okay, cool But I had already prepared myself just in case she told me no because she could have told me no so Tim house was scheduled to work with grapple well in advance that explains the moss saying he might work with him It was never on the table What is is is house working with grapple now or something? Because I lived in Florida and you look mad recognizable Uh, no, we we were we used to go to Orlando a lot Or not a lot but enough times. I love Orlando.  Yeah, it's always worth the try man. Am I Orioles fan? I don't care about baseball, man Are you into the NFL top 100 now? I don't I don't care about it. There ain't nothing What time did I start the stream say two hours ago? Uh, I don't know if this I don't I don't remember what time we started me But it's it's been a little while and about the head off. Oh, you've been gonna sleep at 4 a.m Hmm Once the rice is finished cooking then I'm gonna go ahead and hop off of here Like for real this time though, because I know I'd be saying it but um Oh, you work with him during the day period. Oh, yeah, we remember that day period the little six weeks Uh, it felt way longer than two hours. I think it is I think it was I mean Because I think because with YouTube what they do they don't they don't be like oh this video got posted Two and a half hours ago or two hours and 45 minutes ago They just round it They be like oh this video is supposed to two hours ago And even if you get to like two hours and if the video was posted two hours and 50 minutes ago Then they'll still say it was two hours ago But not until you hit that actual three hours mark then they'll be like oh it was posted three hours ago If you get what I'm saying Late cooking. Yeah late cooking late eating No, it's it's all good. Nice. All right. No, I didn't know how it is man It's all good. I know you're not yelling. This is too. It's too late in at night to be yelling right now That's all good man. Hey, no problem J. Hall. Thank you for watching man What receivers you putting out there day one? uh Right now miles uh, Seth Roberts Miles Boykin, Seth Roberts really sneak um I don't know how Hollywood wants you to get up to speed. Obviously, uh Jalil Scott Christmas You live in st. Cloud and the old Nick Kassemi. Yeah, Kassemi right by Orlando You live in Nigeria. Cool man No typing in the dark. Yeah Hawaii in Baltimore must be a six hour difference. It's 121 Oh somebody said in Hawaii Oh jay. Oh cool, man so the games Come on. What do you say you're seven? What? Did you say it was seven p.m. Where you was it? Oh, yeah, 7 19 p.m so No, that's Is this six hours back? Well, I ain't trying to do the math right now. I'm done. I ain't even gonna try it Did you ever get to talking about hollywood? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we did we did it came in little it came in spurts so I know you're not gonna watch this whole thing over again Yeah, as I don't expect you to but we we did I don't remember the minute mark, but we did sometime Okay, Seth. I hope he do something Hey, yeah, Seth Seth was looking nice man at the training camp. Seth was looking nice man catching everything everything Everything but we'll see how he is come August 8th We right there. We nine days away. Wow Oh, you're in Alaska. So excited for Wednesday's practice hollywood get the show off your skills. Yeah, man Oh, it's 2058 minutes. Oh, we coming up on the three hour mark now. Okay. Appreciate that Appreciate it All right, so we're getting there What happened to lashley? I don't think he's gonna make it man Straight up. I don't think he's gonna make it but we'll see but I don't see it happening I mean 1 p.m. Baltimore game is 7 a.m. in Hawaii. Yeah, 7 23 6 hours ahead of me Oh, man Oh, okay, we're six hours ahead of you. Okay. Got it Alaska Wow, the NFL should expand to 30 18s. No, just just leave it the way it is Don't expand the 18 games even though, you know, they going to Don't take the kick off the way even though I see that coming Don't it don't it. Don't add any more teams. Just leave it He was injuries minor a.j. Green is more serious. Yeah. Yeah. He'll say they said he got a bruised quad And a.j. Green That sucks man. I really feel bad for that dude, man always hurt Not only one I think the browns aren't gonna do what they hyped up to do depends on what you think they hyped up to do In texas I thought Oh, they got parts of texas. That's two hours back. I thought texas was just one hour back I guess it just depends on what part you in Are they spending 18 games for the 2020 season? I could I could definitely see that happening. They they didn't confirm anything yet, but would not be surprised if they did I like the madden jay I like a good return game with helping off. Yeah, it would it would help the entire team this year so entire team Field position. Yeah Big time. Canada should have some NFL teams Well They got CFL. They got a whole league But if they had an NFL team in Canada But then everybody had to travel to Canada even though they'd be traveling all over the world. So It wouldn't be that big of a deal Never know man All right I am done I love y'all Appreciate y'all And I have still 90 93 people up in here right now. But shout out to y'all Uh, thank y'all for sticking around hanging out with me while my food was being made and Why whatever hanging out while y'all are doing whatever y'all are doing on that side Appreciate y'all chilling um Jets as a dangerous sleeper Is paul still in here? I think paul left though Is paul paul you still in here? Let me see Nah, I think paul left me I think paul left I'll go. Oh, I'm gonna feel I know you were still in here. You must have been chilling in the background, man That's all good. Anyway paul paul was a jets fan, man I know he would he would definitely say they not they not even asleep but he would say they're going all the way Uh, oh, he left a long time ago. Okay. Appreciate that man. All right, but Hey, that could be man Get a little turnaround from the afc north dudes.  All right All right y'all appreciate y'all a lot man. Thank y'all for hanging out. It's it's 1 30 in the morning Y'all just chill. I know y'all feel like we could we could go on forever um But anyway Thank you Love y'all y'all have a real good night mark. You still oh, what's going on, man? He said why are y'all still up? Yeah, it's crazy, man. He said Jess ain't going nowhere Oh, he said bowser kennedy benet jackson lassie monster. I believe they going and probably Baptiste Yeah, that that that list ain't got no like surprising cuts on there. So all that makes sense Yeah Oh, just like a reading 2014 Appreciate it kinder.  They always tapping to just their coaching, man Oh, there goes paul. There he goes. So paul didn't leave There he goes It's only 10 27 in vegas. Oh We can go on to the sun rises. We probably could but We're not gonna do that Um, so all right y'all I'm getting off for real now, man Love y'all. Thank y'all for like liking the video subscribe if you haven't already turned the post notifications all the way on So you don't miss a video you can follow on twitter instagram all that good stuff Um And that's that I will see you all tomorrow and whatever video we do then Um, thank you. Appreciate y'all And we go


g in that entrance area. We can do that and make sure everything is ADA compliant. So that was recommendation number one, kind of N2, that ensured that the gate mechanism is ADA compliant as well. And three, actually I rolled through the first three for you, so modifying the park entrance. And so we can get the sure pack material or crushed limestone out of the public works budget. That's a small cost, we'll do that with our staff. Modifying the fence, we'd get the fence company back in to do that, that was about $1,300. Figure four shows the dog park fence in sort of the southwest corner where the large dog area is, and there's sort of an outline there that shows how that area could be expanded by 0.3 acres. That was estimated to be about $6,600. Okay, so the south, I was confused about where this is, what's south and what's north. So on this map, there's north, so the south. So right where the cursor is, thank you, I think, Jesse, right, yeah, there's a nice flat area up there that in the initial fence installation, it was hard to get there because of the rock outcropping near with the ledge sticking out. So that area was kind of removed from the locations that were previously fenced in, but we can go back and fence in some additional area in that location for about $6,600. That's figure four, if you... That's right, yeah. Move over, there it is. And the next page, too, shows a close-up. There, yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's easier on the big window. Okay, yeah, yeah. But it's hard because there's the writing and then there's the pictures. That's what we're showing on. Yeah, yeah, that's probably better, yeah. So that's the... And so it just is that upper corner doesn't go all the way along the bike path down to, I guess that's the northwest corner. Yeah, so in the northwest corner for the greener areas, that signifies the small dog area as it's currently constructed. That is figure five. The fence company gave us an estimate and kind of an outline for how that area could be expanded. And that resulted in an additional point one acres, let's call it just under a 10th of an acre of additional space for about $4,400. One of the concerns we had in that area is it's very wet and there's also the ledge so we couldn't bring the fence kind of north to south as we're showing the original plan. So that's why that area got avoided. If council did want us to move forward and modify the fence to include that roughly 10th of an acre, we'd also wanna talk about doing a little bit of drainage work there perhaps to dry that area up a bit. That was not included in the original plan. So that's part of the recommendation. And then lastly is the large area if you go back to that original map to the east. So that's where the majority of the park area was lost in the fence installation. That area is a steeper slope. There's some ledge concerns. There's two drainage features that kind of run south to north. So due to all that, the fence was installed, it was pulled in to the east. Concerned about including that area in the park for our human users because it's a very uneven area. And I don't know if we'd be able to mow it. We'd be concerned about some slip and falls and injury kind of going up and down that slope more so again for the human users and the dog users. So wanted to make sure that council was aware of those issues. If council did wanna move forward with fencing in that area as well, we might also consider some additional site work to kind of even that out over time. Even out the ground surface. The ground surface. At least to get rid of the divots and kind of the uneven ground surface. There's nothing we can do about the slope. It kind of falls off there towards the west. And that's more for humans than dogs because I don't think the dogs care. The dogs probably wouldn't have as much of a concern. They'd love to have the up and down, I would assume. And those two drainage features that kind of flow south to north are a little bit concerning as far as human users as well. And our ability to maintain that area, I guess, is also a large concern. So I think there'd have to be an understanding that it would not be mowed like a lawn. Because when we went in and originally brush hogged that area, we did damage some equipment just to get in there to kind of knock it down. So we just wanna make sure, I guess, that we have a proper expectation set for maintenance as well. If we were to expand in these various areas, whether it's due to the wetness or the ground surface, our ability to mow it and maintain it. I just wanna make sure those are set properly too. So I think that's an important part of the conversation. I did do the drainage. You think you could then mow it? No. Or not? No. Well, I know dogs like high grass, but ticks like high grass too. So I think that's a reality in Vermont. And I have limes. So I'm real careful where my dogs run because I don't wanna get it again or get a reoccurrence. So, you know, I think some consideration about keeping the grass at a, I don't know, non-tick height or something. I don't know what that is. It might be concerning to some pet owners, you know. Maybe not. Maybe y'all pick them off when they come home and it's not a problem. Question that I'd ask Tom if I could. Yeah. Is talking with members of the dog common area for dogs committee, there's a real interest to have a friends of the dog park take over that aspect of maintenance. So go in with weed whackers, for instance, to cut the long grasses where the mowers could not get to how would you respond to that idea? I think it's our preference to have sort of clear expectations for maintenance set and have our staff do it so we don't have to worry about liability and injury and things of that nature. I mean, we've had some other volunteer efforts in the past and I'll use the rain garden adoption program, which is a great program. I wish more folks were involved, but it kind of falls off and it becomes, it can become as much effort to kind of coordinate that then actually just do it on your own. So it'd be our preference to just kind of have the conversation, set the expectation and have our folks do it. But if that was council, even if that was the direction we had to head, we could give that a try. So, and I think if that's the direction we're going, then we're not managing that, that that would be solely volunteer management and that the commentary about the park and the maintenance efforts would also be passed on to the volunteers. You know, I think that is a thing that you could do, but I also think that when we invest in municipal infrastructure, we should be pairing that with the cost it takes to maintain that infrastructure. I think that should be an expectation of the taxpayers that we're going to use their dollars to do something. We are also going to use their dollars to maintain it. So if I could, I'm just trying to hear from Tom, you're kind of your baseline. So for this to expand into that southeastern area, the only way you see is really, you know, viable with regard to city liability and just what Jesse explained here is that it would be a tall grassy area, hopefully with less divots. That's, you would, that would be like, that's as far as you would be comfortable going outside of having a nicely mowed area. I just want to kind of sense for your, you know, comfort zone goes. So again, it's kind of multiple issues that I would like to fill in the holes in the low spots so we can get up and down that hillside or somebody can get up and down that hillside and then have a discussion about the expectation for maintenance and grass height because I think it will be a significant effort to mow that area kind of on a regular basis. And if we're not mowing it, we'll really want to make sure we've kind of deal with some of those divots because you can't really see them right now if you're walking through that. So the divots you'd fill in with soil and stones or? We'd have to do some topsoiling with some seeding and some mulching. Yeah. Plants from wildflowers. But is it possible to do a site visit? I hate to say that, but I, you know, I see the maps and everything at it. It's not three-dimensional. Yeah, a site visit is very helpful because I did do it. I hate to impose that, but, huh? I do another meeting. Well, I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there, that's all. Well, you're welcome to come with me in Juniper and we do a site visit just about every day. We walk the other part of you. Because we don't, she doesn't like to walk around the neighborhood. Yeah. Look, I think Tom, you've done an excellent job summarizing the issues, the costs and an action plan. There's no question that I am in favor of fixing the entrance, making it accessible and opening the park and then expanding it. Because I understand that we can't get Middlebury Fence Company, even if we had cash on the table, couldn't get them back as fast as we could open the park when we fixed the entrance. I'm very much in favor of fixing the entrance and then expanding it. I think we can go east. I really do. I think that you're right that we need to set expectations of what the city can and can't do if we expand it to the east. And I'm okay with that. This is an unusual and unique and I think very attractive dog park. This isn't the football field that's at Star Farm or down at the Burlington Waterfront. It's more akin to what you see in Shelburne and that overgrown area there. This is gonna be a fantastic amenity for the city of South Burlington. And I think it can be better. Obviously it has to be the entrance has to be fixed. We're on it. I hope the council will agree with me that we should fix that right away. But I also think we should expand it to the east with the understanding that this is not going to be a mode football field like you find at Star Farm. Yeah, I don't think we wanted that. No. I mean, I think you want some of the up and down. That's what dogs like to run around in. Yeah. So I agree with Councilor Cotto. With one additional comment, as similar to Councilor, really my spouse and I, when we walk our dogs, we don't like them going on long grass because we don't want the ticks. We don't want to have to filter through it. So as much as expanding east seems feasible, if the city is not going to mow it, I would almost want that to be a third section. But I think that's a discussion for another day. Let's fix the ADA thing. Let's open the park and then let's figure out how to expand it in a thoughtful, reasonable manner. Down the road. You're talking about expanding it south as well? The southeast as well. I thought both were talking about it. Well, there's southwest. There's a couple. I mean, if you look at the map, the tan stuff is outlined is what the DRB laid out. And the green is where the fence is now, correct? The green and the blue, yeah. The green and the blue. Yeah, the two shades of green or blue or whatever. Yeah. And so we're talking about in there, but I think we were also talking about the flatter part at the top. Yeah, there's three bites of the apple here. We can go, the flatter part of the top, we can get there. I think we can get a third of an acre for $6,000, $6,600 in the southwest corner. And I think we can go at a higher cost, but I think we can go east and gain up a lot of the acreage we lost. Again, understanding that this terrain is different, but setting expectations for both users and staff is important. And then I think the third question is whether or not you go further to the southwest to gain what is 0.08 acres with drainage. That's an additional cost above the $4,400. Okay, I mean, I certainly have my priorities, which may not be the priorities for the committee, a common area of dogs, or my preferences, I shouldn't say my priorities, but it starts with fixing the gate, which I think we have to make the decision tonight to do so we can set a timetable for getting this operational. So to fix that and to increase it to the southwest corner, that's a total of 7,900 bucks, right? Yeah, 1,300 to modify the front, the entrance, and then 6,600 from the Middlebury to add the 0.3 acres to the southwest. And then to go to the northwest, you're saying that's gonna take more work. So the 4,400 is just the fencing, not the drainage. That may be work that we can do because it might just be a little bit of perforated pipe or something, but that is not an approved modification per the DRB because we're in a class. Okay, so we have to go to the DRB to say, so maybe that's something that we work on with the DRB and we do in the spring. Yeah, number five, you gain the least amount of acreage and it's, well, it's only 4,400, it does involve drainage and it does involve the DRB, whereas number six, that's where you really gain the acreage in the Tom's memo. Oh, okay. So that brings it south, right? Number six brings it east. And that's the, with the understanding Tom's concern for his staff and his equipment, our equipment that he's in charge of comes with clear expectations of what public works is going to do to maintain that site. And I think that's a conversation we need to have with the committee, the common area of dogs so that we're all on the same page. Skip over figure four. Sorry, Chair Lee. Yeah, the four is. Four seems ready to go. Four is .3 acres, it expanded, be nice up there. Okay. Three and four, yeah. Yeah, that was the 7,900. Yeah. Well, I think we definitely should do that ASAP. I think we should work on six, understanding that it might take, we have to go through the DRB. I don't know if we have to go through the DRB for six. It's five, we have to go through the DRB. If you go to the DRB plus drainage for less than one tenth of an acre, but six, I don't think we need to go through the DRB unless Tom tells me differently. We just need to talk with the committee for common area dogs about what the expectations are for maintaining that trickier area to maintain. But I guess I'd like to have a longer conversation about sort of that area to the east, let's call it area six, just to make sure we're all on the same page there if we're pulling in those drainage features within the park area. I don't know that that's actually included in what the fence company showed for figure six, as far as their recommended expansion that we worked with them to develop. So I think there should be some more discussion going east, but like I said in the memo, we're getting the gate ready and then expanding in the southwest. I think those can be easily done. I'd have to go back, and we're gonna run everything of course past planning and zoning, make sure that they're on board with it. We don't need any other approvals, which I don't think we do until we start adding pipe and then see if we can get Middlebury fence back this year would be my hope if we're doing smaller pieces. Well, at the very least, Tom, and you've heard my opinion on this, but I'll just say it probably once again, we need Middlebury fence back to fix the entrance to make it safe and accessible. We'll along with your team to change the footing. And I hope we do that. I hope you can use all your powers that you have to convince them to do that ASAP. How soon can the fence company come back? Are they booked like four years out in advance or? They're generally booked. We got them from not this year to, well, what do you want? And we'll talk kind of timeframe, let's say. So I can get feedback tonight in a direction. We'll work with them this week to see what and when. Did they have trouble drilling some of the holes for the posts at all? Yes. Because of ledge? It's ledge. And so do they have, would they have a special machine for that? They drill in, yeah, per post, they charge us more when they hit ledge. And so that's the other piece of this I didn't get to, I was giving my quick overview. So we've spent the initial budget at this point. We do own extra materials, obviously, for fence, but those additional numbers in there are for the labor to have them come back and install it. And now they kind of know better what to expect ledge-wise, too. Oh, okay. Yeah, we have to identify a funding source for some of this. I mean, if it was just modifying the fence and some sure pack and things like that for $1,300, that'd be much simpler. But if we were gonna expand in other areas, we gotta have a funding source for that as well. Okay, but number five is the northwest corner. That you can do, right? I'm confused. I'm just trying to figure out, understand what... Why don't we walk one by one through these with timing and budget? That would be good. That would be really helpful. And the original budget was how much, Tom? What was the... We spent like 52 or 60 on fence. I think it was sickle sort of 60 for the fence quote that we got. 60,000? Yeah. Okay, and that's been spent. Okay. Okay. But when we move things around, some of that fencing can be reused. We still have materials left over, yeah. But even just... Yeah, but yeah, as you move and make a corner different. Yeah, okay. Why all the fencing for the original outline of the fence? We still have the materials, yeah. So you have the material for the fold. This is the full circumference is what you're saying. Yes. Okay. Oh, really? Oh, okay. It's the labor to dig the holes and assemble it. And the machine. And the machine, yeah. Oh, well, that's helpful. I mean, so it's just labor, really. And plotting it. Oh, that's better yet. Okay. So we've invested in the fencing. It's just sitting somewhere. So we need to put it in. And it's nice fencing. It is really beautiful. It's beautiful. I mean, I think that it's gorgeous. So that design was lovely. So want to take it through and then we can. So one, we're going to do with existing staff. That's what we're saying. Recommendation one is replacing wood chips to crushed stone. And we can do that with existing staff. Yes. Okay, great. Tom, do you want to just walk through this? Item two is just ensuring that the gates and their mechanisms are ADA compliant. Part of the ADA compliance is the surface and gate swing, things like that. We can do that on our own. There's no dollars there. That's just a making sure as we move forward. Don't you have to move down the little, click the, yeah, the levers to open the fences? There's a range of height that's allowed to be, which it's within. Yes, but you can do that with existing. Okay. Number three was the entrance, which is also figure three. So that's just making it smaller, reducing the size of the entrance, moving some fence around there. That's $1,300. And that's Middlebury. They have to come in and do it. They have to come in and do that, yeah. Okay. And so then we jump to the southwest corner, that's in the large dog area, kind of the bottom left, right? Southwest and that nice flat mode area that you can see in the satellite image. That would be an expansion of about .3 acres and that's about $6,600. And that's cost to Middlebury for installing the fence that we already own. Yeah, that's their estimate, yeah. And so I just want to be clear, if you look at the shape, it's not the original shape still, because we still have that large, ledgy outcropping that kind of, we're recommending to be avoiding. The dark part. That's right, yeah. Where my little arrow on this maps is a steep hill comprised of a ledge. Okay, so I was writing and not looking at your little hand on the picture. So can you take the hand and show me where we're talking about for number four, please? Oh, well, I'm sorry, but I'm. Yeah, I just need to bear. Yeah, I know it's hard to tell. It goes, Tom, correct me if I'm wrong. Yep, like that, but a little bit harder. So it includes those trees so we get a little shade. That's nice. I think it even goes lower goes for the north. I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there are flags out there. Are those flags are? There are flags out there. Delineating where the fencing will go. All right. Yeah. Okay, so that's good. But there were a week ago. Yes. To be clear, this one does not raise any concerns about permitting and or mowing or anything else. This one is relatively straightforward of the three expansions. That's correct. This is the easiest fight. It is. Drainage issues. No drainage. Just that ledge that we're avoiding. So then we go to number five. That's the northwest. That's expansion in the small dog area. Okay, and that just is that flat area that goes toward the sidewalk. It's a small area. It's a known wet area. We can't go sort of as that original plan showed again, because it's going over a ledge. That's kind of a drop off there. Oh, okay. Or we didn't believe we could easily. So that's why the fence got moved in originally. But yeah, that wasn't part of the recommendation. If council did want to expand, I'd want to talk about drainage just to make sure it's not wet. Okay, and then that would require the DRB if it requires drainage. Yes. Okay, so number five, maybe DRB. So that's put off till a couple months or something. You can't do it in the winter anyway, but you have the fencing, so that's good. Okay. Six. Okay. And then six is just expansion to the east. Again, it does not follow what the fence company drew up and was in figure six does not follow that outline, which was in the original plan. It goes over to those drainage features, I believe. So we would want to talk more about that if it was council's wish to extend that way, both on where it's going to be, what are maintenance expectations, et cetera. Yes. So I want to expand east. I support that council coded, but I don't see that happening without a lot more thought and discussion on it. And so that's where I'd want to have that longer discussion to really understand the implications of having it be part of the current dog park and the maintenance and also what it would take to smooth out that land. So I'm not against having a dog park there in the future, but I want to open this current dog park and have that conversation down the road. That's me. Okay, so that's expectations. So that's, there's drainage, which would require the DRB, more discussion that would include the expectations of the maintenance, the mowing or whatever we- And terraforming. Right. Filling in the divots. So to simplify, I think what we're saying is hopefully in partnership with Middlebury Fence we can do one through four and open late fall. And then five and six over the course of the winter we would work on and bring back for the committee and the council's discussion about how to achieve both what the engineers say is possible from a design and build, construct perspective and a dollar figure. Okay. So some of it we already know is $11,000. That's the estimate. No, I'm not saying what the estimate is. I'm saying where we're gonna find the funding. Oh, oh, okay. Sorry. What it's worth. I like what the city managers just said. One through four as soon as possible, get it open and then talk about five and six down the road. I do too, but I do want to hear from Betty and Barbara or whoever else would like to speak from the dark board committee. And Carol also speak too. Or whoever else would like to speak. Right. And I also, I would like a timeframe on this. I don't want this to be in the future and 10 years later, we're still arguing whether we can mow it or not. We'll be off the council after March, see how it's going. Oh, no. Last one of those, you know, there's one like that in every crowd, isn't there? Hearing this committee has been like a career at this point. I think one of the things I wish that Tom was able to do would be to put those different sections that you showed that could be added onto the map all of it on the map, because I think we'd have a better perspective of it. I'm sorry, what? Yes. Yeah, so, because I think probably Carol might be a little more relieved, maybe not totally happy, but what you're, I think in looking at those different sections and looking at the little white flags I've looked at for three days in a row, there's part of the fence on the south side that's gonna stay where it is. Is that right? That's what you've basically done. The middle of the fence on the south side would not change, right? You'd be bringing the eastern corner would go south and around to the east, and then the western corner on the south would also go over to the east and south, but not the middle part, is that right? The recommendation we got from the fence company that we've brought forward tonight was to avoid that hill with the ledge right there where Jesse's got the mouse. So it kind of bows in the middle there. Yes, so that big green area is not going to be affected that much. It's gonna be somewhat affected, but it wouldn't be all of it. So when we see a straight line going across there, that won't be what it looks like, right? The brown part on the south side goes straight across and it won't be that. I just want to clarify that what you've got on your diagrams and what we saw on the posts, we saw a little white flags on the posts and there was a section between flags that looked like it would still be straight because you've got your gate to get in there to, to get in there with maintenance. That's right. So this is a little, I mean, you said that last week that this, this depiction is not what is actually what you're proposing.  That is the originally proposed plan by the DRB. But we're changing. It is. Yes, yeah. And what you've done with flags is, and with those diagrams that you've shown us, that will change that on that southern border, correct? And I think that's an important piece for all of us to understand that we're not, and I think we also know that that would be an expectation we'd be having to do some compromises with what was originally there. I have another question for Tom because when the fencing, before the fencing went up, there were, I don't know exactly what the equipment is, you call it, front-end loaders, whatever it is. They dug a trench to put in, they buried drainage and it went from along the parking lot and it turned, it turned south around the perimeter of where the fence is right now. There is some drainage piping over there already. So, you might wanna talk to Adam because it was- I'll have to look into anything like that, but I just thought they were just kinda grading that area out to flatten it, but so I'm not sure what you're referring to there. I'm sorry, what? I'm not sure what you're referring to there. There was drainage. My involvement was after the fence was in, so. I know, I know it was, but there is, I know that there was drainage put in there, at least along the northern border and it went around the corner. I drove by it several times a day while they were doing it. So anyway, I'm somewhat heartened with some of the comments you folks have made and I can't speak for the committee because we meet next week, but I can just tell you, I really appreciate the time you've all taken to go over there and look at and walk it and Tim, I'd be glad to take you. You'd be my last councillor to go over there with you. What? It's warmer than February. Yes, yes, yes. So we're not gonna do anything at the top at the moment. What I call the top, but it's the south end. Except on the southwest corner, okay. So, leveling that off to where we thought it was gonna be, which is more like that. The new fence is gonna go like something like that. Yes, but we're not gonna, yeah, maybe when we add this, whoops. So when we come back and talk to you about 5 and 6, we will give you an updated. Okay, yes, and I would just, I would appreciate it if, because our committee knows dogs and knows dog parks and this is the fourth iteration of a design in our committee has not been asked for any input on any of those iterations. So I would really appreciate it before any other changes are made. And our committee be given an opportunity to share why it is certain things we asked, you know, certain things that we thought were important that were not basically considered. So I would really appreciate it if staff would come back to our committee, not just go to the DRB. Or when we have those discussions in the council this November and December, that you come and you're present in the room with us. Absolutely and be able to have input before the final, you know, that's before it's final. So that I feel that staff have gone and had to do a lot of work and done four different iterations. Because I think in the beginning, the committee wasn't really involved in the design, you know, so, or the layout, whatever you wanna call it. We're certainly not construction people, but we certainly understand the design part of it. So I would just like us to be able to be part of that conversation before a final product is given for your stamp approval. Since we're gonna have that discussion in November or December. We need to in terms of, you know, expectations of users and I appreciate.  Ticks are everywhere. I know, I know. I'm on the ground. But anyway, I understand. I really appreciate your- You can be really careful on our clothes, typically don't get ticks. And I just appreciate you saying that you'd like to have a timeframe and all of that too. So thank you. So what we're looking at then is one, two, three and four and an additional $7,900. And that, those dollars, I would, I mean, we don't have them in the budget. So I would recommend if we're gonna go forward with this that they come out of our surplus for this year. Sure. So moved. Sure. Second, if that's a motion, any further discussion? I just, discussion I'd say is this is a beautiful dog park and this committee has a lot to be thanked for for all the work that you did and our DPW for building it. It is phenomenal. I can't wait until this asset is open and the community is gonna love it. And I think it's gonna compliment everything that Common Roots has done up there. And I look forward to having a ribbon cutting ceremony at the dog park, another meeting. So let's do that. Those aren't meetings. You don't get paid for that. Celebrations. So we have a motion. Oh, I'm sorry, Barbara, excuse me. So I just want to say the last time I was here I talked about the perfect storm and I met with some of you and talked about the perfect storm and I just want to say with this motion and with the requisite timeline and consultation with committee, the sun is shining instead of a perfect storm. So thank you. You're welcome. All right, so that's a motion and then we can talk about a timeline if you want to have that as direction. I mean, if some more specifics. Did you say Carol wanted to talk? Oh, I'm sorry, Carol, did you want to say anything? I do. So as we show the land to prospective brides and grooms we have weddings booked into next year in 2024 and I spoke with Holly and I've spoken to the park and rectum committee. Can we have, and it's not for tonight's discussion but can we have an understanding as common roots? We're thinking that when somebody has paid three and $4,000 to have a wedding on the land that while they're in their party there might be times that the dog park has to be closed because dogs barking while you're having your wedding ceremony could be really tumultuous. So Holly said, just bring it up to the council tonight. All I really need to know is who makes that decision if when someone is paid to have an event at the wheel or homestead and they're getting married and they're having a wedding party, lots of dogs barking. I don't know what it'll sound like. It's a great park and we're glad to be friendly neighbors but I think there could be a challenge to renting the land if there's dogs at a formal event like a wedding or some similar event. So I don't know who makes the decision on that but Holly and I have spoken about it. I just don't know who makes the decision. So I think the decision to close a park, a public park would be a council policy. So I think when we come back with five and six and talk about both the expansion but also the shared expectations about maintenance and operations that could be part of that conversation. That's what Holly, that's what Holly guessed she said but she's very smart. No, I'm not making a better share with city council. Yeah, and we're glad to be, I mean, you know there's lots of events that happen up there that don't need the dog park closed but I'm thinking when someone spends that kind of money in a wedding, that might be an issue. So we'll talk about it. Yeah. You give them enough cake and they don't bark. You shouldn't have a problem. Yeah, flip over some flaming eye and they'll be totally satisfied. Okay, so leave a motion on the table. Are you ready for the vote? Yes. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Great, that's a 5-0. And then we will expect to hear about the remaining two, five and six. When do you think that's, you'll have a better sense of how long that might take and because I'm thinking about that's more money so we need to allocate potentially money or at least discuss that. Can we carry money full? We can, right? If we want it. Surplus, are you talking about? Yeah. Well, you can carry money for it. You can also just allocate it to the fund balance and then draw it down from the fund balance. Okay, yeah. Okay, so there's plenty of money in here to do this. I mean, okay. So when do you think you might be back with a timeframe? So we're gonna call this week for items one to four because we wanna get on the schedule if we can. I think we're gonna have more discussion about five and six going forward here. Okay. So I don't have a timeline for that necessarily. I just wanna make sure we get the park so we can open it. Certainly. It's one through four, Don. Okay. Can we say, Tom, before that we would go both to the committee and back to the council before the end of the calendar year in preparation for doing the work when the snow melts? Yes. Good. Perfect. Good. Okay. And then we'll just make sure we have a little fund balance to pay for it. Thank you all. Thank you, Tom. I can't spend it all on daycare. Okay, I get it. Alrighty. Okay, moving on to item 12. This is the, oh, this will be easy. The budget schedule. I was like, yeah, let's move approval. We don't even have to present it. That sounded great. Yeah. So there's not much different in this year's FY24 budget schedule from last year's FY23. Last year we combined CIP items with the general budget discussion, as well as we have three council meetings to present the budget. Each night will be something a little bit different starting in September. So we'll have a public safety night, and administrative services night, and library and public works night, all that fun stuff. So the next main council decision point will be at the next regular council meeting to talk about budget goals for FY24. Last year, when we went through that discussion, it's also when we close out the fiscal year for FY22, and we'll have the final surplus allocation discussion. Provided a little bit of an overview of sort of where we are in FY23, or in the current fiscal year, and what we're forecasting for increases next year. Of course, that's a forecast. It's a rough estimate at the time, but we can get you some of those numbers in order to maintain current services, what CPI will look like for our increases in salary costs, any healthcare cost increases that we know about pension liability. If there's anything else council would like to have in front of them, let us know now in order to make your sort of initial decision on what those FY24 budget goals will be. And are you saying the budget goals, that'll be on September 19th, right? Correct, yep. Okay, yep. All right. I will be out of state, so you will be chairing that. And I will try to join. Okay. We need a motion. Yeah, we need a motion to approve this. So moved. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Great. Cool. All right. So now we are a voting delegate for the Vermont League of Cities and Towns. So town fair this year is Thursday, October 6 and Friday, October 7th at the annual meeting of the league and verb. We have a voting position. So if sometimes councils like to delegate who will vote for her, who will be the voting representative for South Burlington. Are you attending? I will be there, I can do it, but if one of you wanted to attend and do it. No, you can do it. Yeah. You would actually know how to vote. I moved to a point, Jesse. Aren't you running that whole thing? Yeah, I'm running. Aren't you in charge? Yes. Okay.  So if you could approve me to be the voting delegate, that would be great. I move that we approve Jesse Baker City Manager as the voting delegate for the Vermont League of Cities Towns Town Fair. Second. All in favor? Aye. Sorry, that took so long. Any other business? Okay. So if there's no other business, we need to consider entering executive session for the purposes of discussing a real estate negotiation. And I have a motion. Yep. I move that the council enter into executive session for the purpose of discussing the negotiation or securing a real estate purchase or lease options and to discuss the appointment or employment or evaluation of a public officer or employee inviting in Jesse Baker, Andrew Bullduck, Paul Conner and Colin McNeil, probably some by remote. That's it. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. And we will not be coming back. So we will be adjourning after that. We will. Excellent.


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This is your FBI. This is your FBI, an official broadcast from the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, presented as a public service by the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States. To your FBI, you look for national security. To the Equitable Society for Financial Security. These two great institutions are dedicated to the protection of you, your home, and your country. Tonight, the story of a crime against society. Murder. In the crime-married era of the 1920s and early 30s, state boundaries proved haven for the gangster criminals who plagued the nation. Law enforcement agencies had to rely upon complex systems of extradition to bring these lawbreakers to justice. But since 1934, since Congress gave the FBI jurisdiction to track down these fugitives, to skew them across state borders, this type of roving criminal has almost disappeared. For the criminal, there is now no refuge in flight. The proof of this? A man who called himself John Dixon is an excellent example. His flight began in a city in Florida and a well-to-do home in that city, in fact, in the living room of that home. You go ahead and put on the light, will you, dear? Okay. Double features always wear me out. I wish it felt that way before we left. Just say where you are, folks. Fred. Quiet, lady. Who are you? I was just doing a little work here. I afraid you came in at the wrong time. Fred, he's a burglar. We are told you to be quiet. Sometimes you're nervous with a gun in my hand. Come off that. That's what he says. You're very smart.  Very well. Come on, dear. Fade to down, phone's cut. We shouldn't be disturbed. Now, there's just one other precaution I think I'd better take. There's some cloth and adhesive tape on that table there. I thought it long just in case. Well... Your wife will use it on you, sir. Yes. You must obey. You won't mind it. Come on. Put it around his mouth. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Did I hear you both say you're done in the movies? Yes. What to see? I don't remember. Just put the adhesive over the cloth. Like this? Yes. Have you seen the new cars we picked at Central? No. It's the Hunters. I caught it last night. Is that too tight for you? Leave it that way, lady. That's perfect. Oh, darling. Now, I'm afraid I'm going to have to give you the same treatment. Oh, please. Sorry, lady. Oh, no, please. Oh, no. I always hate to do a job this way. But you must appreciate my treatment. Just stay still, lady. That's it. We'll be home 15 minutes later. I'm not in here. And we wouldn't have time to go through all this. There you are. Now, if you both sit down, I can tell you about it. Right over there we'll do. Come along. That may have a few of your possessions in that bag. I'm afraid I'm going to need transportation, too. Have you your car keys, sir? In which pocket? Fine. Now, why don't I sit down with you? Have one little farewell drink and leave. With the crime committed, the criminal's flight begins. If the casual flight at first, he feels secure on the knowledge that his victims are helpless, but they cannot report him for many hours. So he drives north in their car, drives on a main highway, drives to a refreshment stand on the outskirts of town. All right, Max. Can I get something to eat? Sure. How about a hamburger? All right, Max. Meet this day. Oh. Cheap, is it? Fine. Huh? I said fine. That's what I thought you said. I didn't think you'd hear in it anymore. Everybody's got complaints. They always do his things. All the time, he speaks. Oh, that's your Xenon over there. Oh, it's not yours, isn't it, Max? Yes. Fine. Do I see your registration? Of course. It's in the car. Oh, come on. I'll get it for you. Okay. Is there any trouble off of that? Yeah. The car was reported stolen. Well, that'd be a mistake. I've been driving it all day. I still want to see the registration. All right. It's in the club compartment. Here we are. Hey, what happened? Cancel my order. Max. The crime of robbery, the fugitive is out of the crime of murder.  The flight is not so casual now. John Dixon abandoned the stolen car and hurriedly went to a nightclub on the outskirts of the city. When'd you come in? I just now. And late, aren't you? I just came up to you. Oh, I'm not singing any more than I say, baby. It's like I was just on my way home. Well, maybe we can stop off for a bite or eat something, eh? Yeah, I guess I'd be okay. Fine. You have a car, don't you? Yeah, I don't know. You're not with me. Tell them I drop me off here. Well, we can use mine. Ready now? Sure. Let's go then. Say, you know something more. What? I forgot your name. Dixon. Tell me, Dixon. Oh, sure. I should have remembered that, but so many fellas come out here and all. I understand. Go ahead. I'm parked right over here. Okay. You were that night. Yes. Beautiful. You come around here? No, I'm from up north. Oh, you were. You told me that last night, didn't you? Yes, I believe I did. So many fellas tell you so many stories and all. I understand. Here we are. You want a drive? I'd rather not. Okay, hop in. Thanks. The reason I asked you was so many fellas like to drive and all. I guess I'm the exception. You can say that again. Well, where to? I suggest you to drive north. But there's some good eating places up there. I, you drive north. What? Do as I say. Not just a minute.  Hey. I killed a cop with it a little while ago. So be a good girl and drive north. I said, are you tired? I can't relieve you the driving. I just think it's better this way. For you, maybe. What time is it? Almost four a.m. Tell me something, William. Is this a regular business with you? What do you mean? Killing people, cops? No. Why'd you do it? He tried to interfere. Well, with? I was driving a car. It wasn't mine. You steal cars, too, won't you? Yes. I'm quite visible. You sound like you were proud of it. I am. Don't pick this thing and things. Well, there's not a great deal of difference. What do you mean? We both enjoy prominence, being in the public eye. Kidding? No, no, no. You're undoubtedly pleased when you see your picture in the paper. Well, I am, too. You got a press agent? No. But my picture was in true detective magazine three times last year. With numbers under it. I'm still satisfied. Okay. Wait a minute. What? Now, that's the bus up ahead there. Yeah. When you pass it, stop. You mean you're getting out? Yes. According to the gauge, your gas tank just got emptied. Hurry up, Pat. Miss it. That'll be a pleasure. John Dickson left his car, left his unwilling companion after crossing the state line into Georgia. This was a mistake for him. A costly mistake for he was now under the jurisdiction of the FBI, as are any and all criminals who cross state lines to avoid prosecution. Exactly one hour after Dickson left the nightclub singer, she was telling her story to special agents of the FBI. Did you see that bus, Miss Harvey? Yeah, sure. Can you describe it? Well, it was an interstate bus. Was there any sign on it telling where it was bound? I didn't see any. It was heading north, though. And this was a little after 4 a.m. I'll check with the bus terminal here, see what they can do with it. All right, Nick. He sure had plenty of nerve. How did you meet him? Oh, he'd come into the club a couple times. Do you recall who entered this situation? Nobody, really. In my line of work, you meet so many fellas and all. Did he seem to know anyone else in the club? No, I don't think so. Have you ever been out with him before? No. The name he gave you was John Dickson. That's right. Probably an alien. I wish I could describe him for you better, but like I said before, he looks just like a hundred other guys. That's the same report we received from the couple who was born in Ross. Could they give you anything? Yes, a good deal. That bus was bound for Savannah. Sure. Yes, and it's an express. It doesn't make any sense. Oh, that's a break. How do you mean? We're going up to the Savannah Field Office tonight. We have tickets on a plane that leaves here in exactly 15 minutes. Now, kid. We'll tell a type of report ahead, but it's just possible that we might reach Savannah in time to meet Mr. Dickson in person. I wish we had more to go on. This is the script, I mean. Well, if he flagged the bus down on the highway, the driver should recall him. This could be it now. Yes. Let's stand over here. Not many passengers. Can't be more than a dozen. No. This is Savannah. Last stop. I see nothing but women. Uh, two soldiers there. Yes, and no other masks. Uh, driver. Yeah? We're special agents for the FBI. Here are my credentials. Oh. Well, what can they do for us? We're looking for a man. He boarded your bus on the highway about 30 miles north of Jacksonville. These bus? I believe so. Yeah? A little after 4 a.m. Well, I was there a little after 4 a.m., but I didn't stop this bus for nobody. We momentarily closed the Federal Bureau of Investigation file on John Dickson's murderer. We'll return to this case in just a moment. Let's open the dictionary to the letter S and look for the word society. That's the S-O-S-O-C. Oh, yes, there it is. Society. And the dictionary says that society means a voluntary association of individuals for common purposes. Well, that certainly describes the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States. The Equitable Society is a voluntary association of 3,200,000 men and women. The idea that led this group to get together is very simple. We of the Equitable Society believe that 3,200,000 pairs of shoulders are a lot broader than one pair. Our common purpose is to combine our dollars into a common protective fund which gives each of us far greater security than he could achieve by his own unaided effort. In our dealings with the Equitable, we members receive the friendly service and personal attention that the word society implies. Moreover, since we are the sole owners of our society, we know that equitable funds are at work for our benefit. And because the Equitable Society's investments cover America, they are at work for our fellow citizens, too. By serving its members, the Equitable Society serves America. And now, back to the file on John Dixon's murder. A fugitive, a clever fugitive can find many ways to elude the law. He can travel on railroads, buses, cars, trains. He can move swiftly from city to city from state to state. But the FBI moves swiftly, too. And with the invaluable aid of local police agencies and law-abiding citizens, they can track the cleverest fugitive down. The man who called himself John Dixon was extremely clever. His failure to board the bus to complete disappearance was proof of this. Returning to Jacksonville, the special agent sent for the woman who traveled with him, the nightclub singer, and questioned her again. I didn't really see him get on the bus, but what else was I saying? Naturally, I presume they were. Naturally. We found out how it even... we have to look for other leads. I got no idea what happened to him. I thought of what I told you. Miss Harvey, we're trying to set up something definite for you. Perhaps you can contribute to that. I already told you what he looked like. Yes, I know. But this time, see if you can recall some things he said. We've already given his description to the author, Bruntwick.  Did they see him there? We've had no word. What did you talk about on that ride last night, Miss Harvey? Him, mostly. Yes. Sure had a thing for himself. Bragging, was he? But all the time. Can you remember anything specific? No. Being a larceny guy was a career with him, he said. Did he mention any other jobs he'd done? No. Well, why did he refer to the career? That was because he saw his work and my work were alike. See? He was all puffed up because his picture had been in true detective magazine three times last year. The picture was in true detective three times? That's what he said. In one year? Yes. Wow. That could tell us who this boy really is, Nick. Yes. See if we can get back copies of that magazine. Miss Harvey is going to help us do a little research. The idle remark, the boasting remark made by the man called Dixon to the nightclub singer brought results. In copies of the detective magazine, one man's picture did appear in three issues. The girl identified him as Dixon. There was text accompanying these pictures, text that saved the FBI agents much time in determining the killer's true identity. They learned that his criminal record was a long and vicious one, that he had changed his name many times, that he was also adept at changing his complete identity. This was a valuable lead. This was something specific. This was what sent special agents to all clothing stores in Brunswick, Georgia, seeking knowledge of Dixon's whereabouts. Finally, in one store... Let's see that picture again. Charlie. There you are. Yeah, that's the fellow, all right? You're sure of that? Yeah, positive. And he came in here yesterday? That's right. Round noontime. What did he buy? A blue suit, a brown fell hat, oh yes, top coat. Then you describe the coat? It's a round tweed, just like that one hanging on the rack there. And what did he do with the clothes he was wearing? I took them with him, had me wrap them up for him, I see. He said he wanted them wrapped for mailing. Did he say where to? No. And I had no mind asking questions. Why not? Well, I noticed when he rolled his clothes up for pecking that he put a gun in the bundle too. A clue. A clue that is 24 hours old. In 24 hours a man can cross and recross our continent, but still there was now a clue. The special agents armed with Dixon's complete description visited all transportation centers in Brunswick. At the railroad station they came up with a lead. The day before a man they believed to be Dixon had inquired about trains to Atlanta. When informed that one did not leave for many hours he inquired where he could hire a car. He was sent to a garage. Look at this picture. Is this the man? Sure, that's him all right. He's oldest, his mother was dying. He had to get out of town. Did you rent him a car? No, he couldn't do that, but he got up to Atlanta anyway. Ah. Well, we got him a lift with Doc Whitney. The doc was driving up there in his engine. Oh, I remember him. He was a pleasant enough fellow.  Well, I drove him right to the airport. Where was he bound for? Chicago. How do you know? Well, I put him on board the plane. Yes, I remember him. He occupied seat five on yesterday's run. Did you talk with him? Mm-hmm. What about? Well, he said his mother was dying. And he inquired about the flight to Omaha. Did he say he was going there? He wanted to, yes. I stole the ticket to a man yesterday. He looked like that picture all right. You went to Omaha? Yeah, on the 90-clock flight. Did he say his mother was dying? Yeah, but his name wasn't Dixon. It was, uh, Snyder. That's an alias he frequently used. Well, he should be in Omaha right now. Sorry, Mr. Bryant. He arrived here in Omaha late last night. Yes, he was on the 1235 flight. Any report on him at the airport? He took a taxi into the center of town. How do you know? We contacted a soldier who was on the plane. Yes. The soldier reported that he ordered a cab. He said word ahead to have it waiting. Yes. When he got into it, a civilian climbed in after him. In his description, it had to be Dixon.  That's right. What makes you think that his flight has ended here? All the conversations he had along the way with ticket agents and other airline employees indicated that this was his destination. Very well. We'll do a complete check on him here at once. In Washington, Director Hoover instructed that no effort should be spared to locate Dixon and bring him to justice. Constant checks were made at the airport, railway and bus stations, but no further information was developed. Special agents visited hotels, tourist camps, and boarding houses in an attempt to pick up the trail. It appeared quite likely that Dixon had stopped his desperate flight in Omaha and was somewhere in the vicinity. Relentlessly, the investigation continued. A double check was made at communication centers. Long distance toll calls were examined. Dixon's photograph was shown to Pullman conductors. Beards have an operator. A crew of agents made regular rounds of night clubs, but no trace of him was found. Once more, Dixon had completely disappeared. Just at that end, Nick, I know. He could only uncover something. There's kind of a lead. You're still convinced that he's here in Omaha? Yes, everything points to this thing, his destination. That's true. I don't even think he's hiding out. He can't suspect it. Excuse me. Born speaking. Oh, yes, Frank. Yes, I see. How many was this? He'll have the place covered. Good. Thanks, goodbye. Well, there's the lead you wanted, Roy. What? A waitress from the coffee shop at the Rome Hotel identified a picture of Dixon. Really? He had breakfast in there yesterday morning. I see. Someone's going to cover the place from now on. Nick? Yes. That's the letter. What? The package. The package Dixon had wrapped from mailing and bronze. Yes. This is his last stop. He could have had it sent here. Yes. Discover the post office and express company as it was. Stop orders were placed in the post office and express companies against every name Dixon had ever used. The express company notified the FBI that a package had arrived that morning addressed to a John Snyder, one of Dixon's many names. Special agents sent to cover the express office found that the package had been sent from Chicago, Illinois the day Dixon had been there. This looked open and shut the end of the trail. But a week passed, a week of endless waiting and Dixon made no effort to pick up the package. Dixon was in the city. The FBI was reasonably sure of that. It would have to be a matter of time. Sorry, Nick. I'm just tired of waiting.  I'll stick around here for a while. Yeah, maybe I will. I'm sure that if we... How do you do it? Hello? I wonder if you have a package here for me, please. What's the name? Snyder. John Snyder. I'll see. This is it. Yeah. Come on. Dixon. What? That's your name, isn't it? No, I'm sorry.  Thank you. Just a minute. Look, I told you my name wasn't Dixon. You're wasting your time. Who are you? We're a special agent for the FBI. What do you want with me? We'd like to talk to you about Florida. I've never been there. In fact, I... Hold it. Let go of me. I just remembered. We heard there was a gun in that package. Would you pick it up, please, Nick? Right. Come on, Dixon. Few heroics in the FBI. They depend on superior brain power, manpower, and firepower. They will never rest in their crusade to make crime an unprofitable business. No clue is to obscure. No time too long. No detail too small for their attention.  This combination cannot be beaten. Many have tried it. To date, few have succeeded. Let's talk about the disposition of this case in just a minute. Imagine the entire area of New York City's Manhattan Island, 31 square miles covered with four feet of oil. That's the total amount of petroleum product. Fuel oil, lubricating oil, aviation, and motor gasoline supplied to the Army in 1944. Requirements of the U.S. Navy have been equally staggering. So will you join the equitable society in a salute? A salute to the men of the petroleum industry. By working this miracle of war production, they have proved that no job is too difficult for the men and women of America and for the system of free enterprise that flourishes in America. For many years, funds of the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States have aided in the development of the petroleum industry. Equitable dollars help drill the oil wells, help rear the derrick, help build the pipeline through which the lifeblood of modern warfare flows toward the fighting front. In wartime, equitable society dollars are fighting dollars. And at all times, they are security dollars.  Dixon returned to Florida and turned over to local authorities with convictive murder in the first degree without recommendation for mercy. The incident shoes in tonight's broadcast are taken from the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. However, all named shoes are fictitious, and any similarity thereof to the names of persons living or dead is accidental. Tonight, the music was under the direction of Van Cleave. Your narrator was Frank Lovejoy. This is your FBI is a jerry divine production. Now, this is Carl Frank speaking for the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States and inviting you to tune in again next week at this same time for this is your FBI. This is the American Broadcasting Company.