or deficit yeah yeah or he like recreate the show um i think that was the same episode oh all right yeah that was like the a plot and the b plot was a gun stuff that's a lot so yeah you've always been one will then oh just some more less ready posed without your wombo oh that's one let's chill oh i uh i posted on the subreddix as annoyed uh rags show me a comment that was on the latest episode of efeb well that was like um is it in our conversations can you read it out rags let me see um uh yes i see it here it is step away from the microphone a bit that was loud oh sorry it's red it's not the one one that one was really dumb and i responded to it in the video oh yeah it's not wonder woman is it well keyword would be lazy oh yeah i'm pretty sure it is let me see what the original comment was efeb is lazy content with nine people agreeing yeah um again just for your guys reference because i know this because i talk to these guys regularly it's a lot of work it's a lot of work that doesn't come through oh it's not it's not immediately obvious the work that's gets put into a lot of this stuff but it's a lot of work i mean do you think e fat movies are like edited in a day because it takes longer than that at least one or like i mean that would be real quick like yeah it's um takes a lot of work i think though i do get this impression in general though like this perception that like um that there isn't as much work that gets put into something as i think people realize i mean one of the big things is like actually getting references from other movies and like other tv shows and making sure it's all in order and getting all the footage together that does take time because you need to actually watch the content yeah like fringy spent how many hours in this game to make his video yeah it's it's i started this playthrough on the 10th of december and it is now january and i'm basically nearly done nearly i'm not done yet so but that won't be counted at work because it's like well you were playing the game it's like yeah but you understand like i needed to play it to make this video and it wasn't fun a lot of the time it stopped being fun a while ago but that's the work you gotta put in when you have to do anything longer than you would have otherwise done it it isn't it is now officially work yeah i think i think that's a good way of describing it yeah everyone everyone likes to jump to like work is one definition if it doesn't fit it it's out instead of being like work is complicated as a set like the idea that i have to watch i watch a film five times before fully being happy with with the my references on it stuff it's like none of that was work it's like i mean when you get to the point where you pause each scene and you go through rewind each dialogue piece and make sure you've got it right thank you god like the cross-reference with another scene it's like yeah but you're just watching films you're like i kind of hate you like just a little bit um so yeah uh i'm from doc solds two like come on yeah they said like oh i get the you get a lot of super chats but it'd be nice if you stop being lazy it triggered me quite a bit um it wouldn't have triggered me on its own it triggered me except nine up folks i mean other people think that that's fucking valid and so um one thing i did notice that might have fueled this was uh people were congratulating the editor for the hillhouse video as if they like a good job editor i'm like you do they know it's me i don't know if they know it's me um and obviously all the mando ones took ages and this isn't a shot at anyone whatsoever okay even though the fact that i've said that people will be like this is totally a shot someone um if all of us had watched all of mando we just watched it and then we just did whatever and nothing else has happened it wasn't recorded right or anything and then i'm like hey i'm gonna write up a um a video so it would be probably like 3000 words i guess to make a 20 minute video if i spoke fast enough i think that's my ratio like 5000 no 5000 for half an hour i think of my ratio so let's just say 5000 words um that summarize my main issues with the season and just have a couple of references as to examples and then i uh loop the trailer and then i release that video and i could probably get that done in three days i would say to a to a quality level that i would want with the restriction that it has to be looped trailer and it has to be limited references and that would count as me having covered mandalorian season two to a lot of viewers i think that's bullshit um and that just comes under the semantics of what the word covered means i think the four of us have covered mandalorian season two extensively but but the the minis the eva minis i think a lot of people look at them the same way as they look at the streams they're like oh that's just you you recorded yourselves watching a show and discussing it afterward big what i'd be like wow oh i know that book um yeah so i guess what i was gonna it was just that um been working a lot on moola especially in october november december of this year more work on moola than ever and sometimes people wouldn't have noticed the output has been way more than usual uh yeah not just on streams even but um to balance all of the covering uh the community stuff which we we need to do a meme fab soon oh yeah we do someone just sent me a mail but then having both the boys and mando and then maintaining the movies doing all the resident evil ones which are going to be great when they come out trust me on that one yeah um and yeah and uh i think a lot of people don't i don't know if they just assume that everything on moola is done by someone else um or that what's done on moola is easy like it's just something you could do in a half half hour and that i spend all of my week outside of e-sharp just watching tv and playing games because uh this comes back to a criticism of us like you spend 10 hours of every week doing bullshit it's like i'm sorry how many of how many hours in your week are spent doing nothing like but also moreover like do you think that e-fap is 10 hours of do you think that do you think it needs to be entertaining for that long without breaks i mean there's a reason a lot of other streamers are like you guys go for like 10 11 hours at a time that's insane it's like there's a reason they say that it's not just out of nowhere just fyi but and also yeah like how many people like most people work 40 hour weeks that means like the other 40 hours of their wait well more than 40 hours because weekends too that means like a good 60 to 70 hours of your time you can do whatever you want i don't think people i think i think people often underestimate how much free time they really have like i'm not sure how many people are like that busy you know what i mean and yeah you know people like oh it's like oh yeah though really and a lot of people don't know that um i've hired and then let go many editors because they're like i'll do it and then they start doing it and they're like okay this is too much i don't want to do this and it's like that's fine because it's a lot um the way that because this is like the method right so you have the recording the raw recording let's say we watch a mando episode and then we record a half hour beforehand an hour after hand of of after hand is that something people say how you have the post hand post hand after hand um so you have half an hour before hour after and then just say 50 minutes for recording for whatever reason maybe we paused one so it's just that long um and so raw we get a nice let's just say two and a half hour chunk first pass is knocking out everything that's unnecessary a lot of people to this day are still like i want the raw recordings like no you don't trust me you don't the raw recordings of lemur you just have to watch loads of sequences of us just staring and listening yeah or stuttering or getting a thought out that was half baked and you go on and then we can hide it away from you are we don't and people will ask us why we didn't yeah it goes both ways uh so that's the first pass and it takes ages to chop out all of the bullshit because you have to cut obviously twice for every single gap or every single chunk you want to take out and you end up with a little speckled timeline shove them all together some of them need to be faded in some of them can just hard cut then um uh the correct references is usually what i do next and animations so just animations are a great way of avoiding copyright by the way which is another thing a lot of people don't understand some people are like oh my god the animations they're really repetitive it's like they're not just done for the entertainment factor they're also really helpful that you don't have to just constantly stare at the screen slowly have the tile come in and out it's a nice little breakup um and you know i'm not that's bullshit i can't make as many varied uh animations i don't know how i'm just not that kind of editor but hopefully they're entertaining enough as is i'm having so much fucking trouble on these guys don't know if it's because i'm not concentrating right now i'm gonna i'm gonna say that's why not concentrating well lazy content moment and so that pass can take a long time depending on how many animations there are how many how complex they are so for example just the one where metal points with his finger and one of the mando ones it's like you have to get that reference if it's a png automatically you're in luck but if not you have to obviously make it with the photoshop you have to line it up zoom and time it and then sometimes it can break for whatever reason because computers are wonderful and that's all for a like you know three second joke that some people might not even find funny like yay yeah for all the people who just listen and don't look you won't even notice it so that's fun and then do you think that part of the reason why people assume that it's not as much work is because there's almost this subconscious perception that efap is the second tier content and that like the the videos are that's like you know what i mean like the videos are the the real content and like efap is the secondary content well yeah if my main channel if the main channel had never existed and i'd started like doing these sort of like efap movies and everything existed let's say as early as 2010 and so that's all it ever was i think these past few months would have been a time where people would have been like celebrating how much content's coming out rather than saying hey man pretty lazy but what are you gonna do um yeah and then there's a pass one yeah that's the thing that guy he had some ideas some really good ideas i don't even know what his name was someone said i want to see the wrong so i can see rags asserting his dominance and crushing all the guests opinions with his back and i'm done i didn't even know that was someone else so someone said efap is second tier frigate yeah but the point i'm trying to get across is like a lot of effort gets put into efap which is considered the second tier thing more so than some people put into the entirety of their like output there's a reason people say it's all relative efap is second tier compared to for example rags and i's primary videos sure is efap second tier to your average movie coverage i don't think so yeah our efap is way better than the primary stuff most people make is basically what we're that yeah i was kind of edging toward that but you know some might call that vanity i'm gonna take us home with that one yeah so i think that might be a problem with my ps4 because i keep turning it on and shuts off after like two minutes oh no take the plug out the back put it back in yeah i i did and then it starts up again and then it does the same thing um so huh well i guess it's a good that's a good enough reason as any to stop my crash fall play through and break my ps4 house speaking of crash what about tomorrow from the i don't know i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep trying to uh get it so rags we got a streamer um oh yeah i think i do yeah i do i'm gonna i'm gonna be honest not a fan of this boss oh this was terrible um but i didn't get to show rags why i just got killed unfortunately i'm just getting comfortable i will show you why rang or at least i'll be more specific why next time i just watched you get like triple cc'd there yeah it's really fun playing shit if you're a developer never do that if if you have something that knocks if you have something that takes control away from the player which you don't have to ever do by the way that's not something you ever have to do you chose to put that in when you make someone vulnerable like that and there's nothing they can do don't continue to hit them over and over because that's fucking dumb there's literally nothing you could have done is like well don't get hit by the first one it's like well they just didn't just have the first one insta kill you that's what's gonna happen in which you know what's funny about you saying that is it highlights the issue then because they'd be like well no we don't want insta kills and it's like that's what that is though or at least it can be that is effectively what it is yeah in fact i had let me post this i actually made this um the other day because as much as i love guild wars 2 arena net likes to i think sometimes they confuse difficulty with let's just keep cc'ing players over and over again constantly and nobody likes it and they hate it and people will go out of their way to avoid content in the game where there's annoying fights constantly getting knocked down and stunned over and over again someone in chat said stay behind the legs like where do you think i was going why would i stay in front like come on and um yeah so this this boss ranks is one of many in bloodborne that it's too it's too stuff there's just too much stuff and those tail things playing off it and so not only does the fps suffer uh no one here is bad as the cthulhu stand in monster make out its shape yeah this is a great great vision i've got here because of enemies super loud right she's ringing give me a sec or she does really a lot i i look at it comes to just an insta kill move versus just being stun locked and killed the end result will be the same however gamers will at least consider one extreme difficulty and they'll consider the other one just punishment you do not want to punish you you don't want to have your players feel like they're being punished you want them to feel like oh it's just very difficult um but yeah uh the the screen getting filled with fucking hair um really annoys me and also maybe vicar Amelia as well if you like touch her hands it'll count as a tag and like you'll go oh and it'll like hurt you it doesn't hurt you for much but it's really fucking annoying oh yeah another thing too and a lot of games just because because you are making contact with an enemy doesn't mean this is do it you should be doing damage to you cool hand luke said this boss is tough it's not it's really easy i've just uh all i needed to do in that one moment was have dodged just right so that i didn't take the four hits in a row and then healed and then carried on and this starts to reveal one of my significant issues with bloodborne is that there's barely any good bosses they're all kind of shit yeah uh let's let me just break this out from James here really quickly uh unerodically unerodically fuck those people baller works too hard honestly to make us craft certain people can't listen know how to just to get edgy perfect it's such a huge disservice fuck them i wish i had to go to bed with what he does and we'll take it any day over construction where i'm fasting and placing again because i'm so fucking pissed about it i think that might be part of the other issue right is like no matter how much work it is with a lot of people yeah yeah i finished the thing uh fuck them i'm thinking you don't work more or fuck them you work hard there you go yeah well i was gonna thank you yeah all i was gonna say was that i think that might be the issue right because like no matter how much work it is i think most people would prefer to do this than what they normally do so like because everybody wants to do it or a lot of people want to do it and the fact that it's like a desired job it's almost like well you know if you are working hard like yeah that you should be because this is like way better than what or like you know the fact that you would rather be for as hard as well no i know that's kind of the point i'm getting at like for as hard a work it is you'd rather be in construction or like work a shitty retail retail job or something it's like yeah yeah but still like it's still it's still work yeah but also i wonder if uh i wonder if the issue is that because a lot of people you know like you see boogie often says like yeah i work a hundred hours a week and when you hear stuff like that it's like it almost deflates it for everybody else yes yeah i don't believe him i've all it shows me is that he has they work work also can i just highlight i've beaten amelia i was just spamming i didn't there was no talent in what i just did and look at the fps oh blood born i wish typical you were faster damn it i wish blood born was better than it is i'm sorry yeah i wish it would be on for reference blood born the second phase of ludwig the maria and the orphan of cast all those fights i consider fantastic like top tier as hell yeah these ones though i'm just like let me hack away at the goo until i win so you should try final fantasy 14 i did once and i didn't care for it but also i have too much of an investment into guild wars too in terms of time and knowledge of the mechanics yeah and money i've played it for so long now that i just i i'm not gonna go to another mmo i my the flaws of guild wars too i recognize and they don't bug me that much now and i can work around them a lot of the time and the game is too good and it keeps me coming back and i really enjoy it i've just i've invested too much into guild wars too in terms of time and effort and experience to just go to a new mmo that's how they get sure it's the same look like well i don't think i don't think it's how they get you it's just a natural result of having an investment in a game yeah and plus it's like it's done well that's like good i want them to get me i want them to earn me and guild wars two has earned me um guild wars two is free there was a free variant of it but and there's not a subscription for it if that's what you mean um so i yeah the guild wars two does not have a subscription i'm not i'm never going to play a game that requires a subscription fuck that shit it is a arcade game you're an addict rags i'm not an addict i've just invested a lot of time in this mmo over a long period of time i want to get even better at it yeah the first step is admitting that there's a problem oh yeah that's right the unfalsifiable addiction you're right yeah yeah yeah um infinite it what you're saying shares similarities with the sunk cost fallacy right it's like i've spent so much time on it i may as well continue but you're saying you still have a goal in line i well i'm still what so the idea being like i want to stay with this one because i've spent the most time in it is essentially the sunk cost fallacy it's only it's it's only part of it like the because of the amount of time i've spent a lot of the time because i really enjoy it and because i really like it's not like i don't i i enjoy my time with it i like playing it that's why i have so much time in it okay and as a result of all that time spent playing it i have invested a lot into the account and to the characters in it and my knowledge of how the game plays and being a person who helps others to play and when it comes to mmo's i don't want to do all of that in a different game when i could be doing it in this particular game can ignore the shadows do it fucking stun looking me into the sides as i play reaper necromancer so that's actually my main is a reaper necromancer however i'm quite good at it um and i have and i mostly don't nowadays i don't play that class as much as my other classes now um but that is my most played in terms of sheer time though nowadays i mostly play other classes so you have a problem with the game more without the game no like i just i guess i don't i don't know what's being lost in translation here i mean well because i was gonna say like as a sort of it almost sounded like i was trying to be critical of what you just said but at the same time um if someone was like do you want to cyberpunk 77 27 was another game where i was like i don't know if i want to start except i don't know if i want to jump into something like that um knowing what it was and if you currently got something like that that you're happy in and someone's like hey go play this other one you're like oh man i that's a lot of things so when i was into lull um friends of mine tried to get me into this was going way back here is a new earth and obviously dota and i was just like i don't think i can handle multiple mobas like it's hard enough for me to remember fucking all the all the match on one of them like it it takes time and experience it takes work to get really good at playing a game um it like imagine you had put you like it like if you're a professional basketball player and you've devoted a lot of time and effort to this game that you love and the skills of it and the strategies of it and your ability to play that game and someone says why don't you just play like baseball as long as you're having fun rags that's what yeah a lot of people yeah that's the thing the reason i have all of the time the reason i have all of those things in the game is because i enjoy playing the game if i didn't enjoy it i wouldn't have all of those hours and yeah because the sunk cost fallacy almost always refers to when people like they play like it would happen with friends of mine they play league every single game they would be angry and annoyed maybe like well you know i've unlocked most of the characters you guys play it and i know it really well so i'll continue it's like not a good reason to continue but in that sense like a sunk cost fallacy is generally referenced to be like oh yeah well i will eventually get the payoff right but i get the payoff every time i play the easiest way to uh to sort of penetrate the sunk cost fallacy is just to remind yourself that the time is unrecoverable whatever investment you've done it's gone now anyway so like nothing so because if you think about it that way then you can sort of rationalize oh okay i mean i'm not getting that time back no matter what i do so really whether or not i continue should be based on whether or not it's worth continuing for its own sake not because i spent so long playing at that time's gone anyway yeah it's um it's like someone said i feel like you're calling out someone specific rags no i'm not i'm really if i am if i am if it seems like i'm calling out someone specific uh specific then that is purely coincidental i don't have any person in mind what about what you said sounds like you're going for someone specific i'm confused like well i don't know i guess someone thinks that i'm i guess they're referring they they know of someone who said an argument that's against mine or they're someone's i'm not sure maybe what i said has in some way um yeah um someone said why didn't you get that what race they're all char because char the only interesting race in guild wars two uh is that their criticism well cool as shit and they're great um they're all char because fuck playing a human basic aspects human yeah the noran are just big humans this the asura are rats annoying rats and they and they're the biggest the biggest damage to my uh to my suspension of disbelief in that game are the asura not because of anything cultural within them in the game but because it's a it's an mmo so all of the races are equal and the genders are equal so you could play the game as a game but seeing a little tiny fucking asura with a great sword running around how it doesn't get stomped by anything when you can play as a char or a norn which are super big that that to to my brain is my biggest problem with my suspension of disbelief in that game but that's just me um so it's it's different for everybody some people don't have an issue with it at all oh my god but yeah i didn't know she can do that Jesus oh someone said michael jordan oh yeah that's purely coincidental yeah i i wouldn't even referencing michael jordan though i heard he was not nearly as good of a baseball player as a basketball player so uh that's just what i mean um but yeah uh rags if you can see are you max level in bf1 no actually because max ranking in battlefield one takes a lot of fucking time i have was that before after prestigeing and they told me no max ranking there is no prestige in battlefield one it's just you get you get up to rank 150 is the max rank let me actually check my hours in battlefield one since it came out what do you reckon eyeballing it would be the equivalent to in terms of prestigeing on cod like would it be prestige five equivalent or i i've played cod so little over the years i couldn't even i don't even answer that uh yeah but the problem is i haven't played enough battlefield one to know how much it would be so and also it depends on what call of duty we're talking about here right like we're talking about modern warfare so it's a lot different so like whatever the new ones are yeah i i couldn't tell you hours guys um as an example i have i'm about rank 140 145 147th around that area i have 721 hours in battlefield one um right i think uh i think if you played cod for 721 hours the problem is again like i'm just thinking of modern warfare like yeah if you played modern warfare for 721 hours you probably yeah probably um i don't see why not that's all you're on let's see let me actually i can actually tell you how much there is a there's a site uh which unfortunately i think is going to be going down um but it like it is a oh how long to beat should be going down right yeah i wouldn't know no it's it's the site that like tracks your guild worth time oh i remember um when league sites the third party started tracking and tracing everybody's stats and a friend of mine was like so obsessed with getting good at the game that every time you load into a game he would check everyone's names against that site and then basically be like well i've lost you feel like oh man that's a good attitude to have he was he was the a guy who was incredibly good at video games you'd have loved him rags on on cooler duty he was the kind of shit you pull off in that game would actually like have me wondering if he had um hacks it was incredible he was really good at games but he had an ego that that chased it but the kind of ego that um cost him friends that that kind of ego uh unfortunate though he's uh he was it was a good guy he just uh he couldn't handle it if people on his team were bad even when you were like hey he would be like what a casually play a game of law or call it like sure and then you don't do well and he's like yeah you know what i'm gonna go you're like okay so yeah so of the characters in guild wars to it looks like 40 percent of all characters play humans and they're just the most they're the most basic bitch race that you've ever imagined in a video game why does anybody play humans in any so fucking lame i feel like an alien right now like what i feel like it's it wouldn't be surprising to me that someone want to play as humans human fantasy um no to me like if i have the choice if i have the choice anything else i would absolutely pick no but yeah but the logic is simple it's like for my the sake of my immersion i might want to play a human in this world just so that i can be like my immersion to players that's not what i said for me that is not what i said at all yeah that's not what he said well you said you said that their argument would be well for for the sake of improving my immersion i'd play as a human so my media i didn't say approve i just said for the sake of my immersion sure what does what does that mean then i want you to for the sake of my so um i presume i assume you're on you'd agree with this but i'll say it anyway i assume they're human the person choosing to play this game and thus choosing to play as a human might assist them in their immersion of being in this world rather than going full fantasy yeah i could see why it would for the most part for me it doesn't but i could see why for a lot of people it would um yeah i'm not saying i would do it but i'm just saying if someone did it i'd be like that doesn't surprise me really it's not like for for Gilmore's too it's not particularly that they are human it's just that it's the most basic normal fantasy rare i like this one so you can't expect a frog to understand good memes their their area is it's just so cookie cutter standard i see i'm i'm a little bit different i like i outright find it kind of boring to play as humans in any series where you can play as something else i'd rather yeah but i must myself in a different culture in a different race in a different history rather than like a mass effect gave me the choice i'd absolutely want to play as like a tour and i'd be a krogan yeah krogan would be a really cool but i would pick anything but human probably like also marco cyborg i saw you in there hello and hello all of chat i like doing the whole i i mute and speak to you specifically i want to be something that's exotic or interesting in yeah i think that's i think that i'm but see if i were in a group of people right now saying wait a minute this many people play as non-human that's crazy wouldn't they be playing it's human i'd be like i don't know i could see like a lot of people wanting to play as something other than themselves for the sake of the fantasy you know to me when you choose whatever race you want to play in a fucking thing is like you can come up with all kinds of reasons right i suppose that's true yay we did it we defeated racism again getting kind of boring now i know how many times i have to defeat this zombie oh look it's racism again it's like yeah but let's see um there was a way for me to both not medic hello marionette oh update on my ps4 it might have been overheating so i've unplugged it and now it's just sitting on the floor over there over wait was it like really was it on for a while before you tried it today uh well no i mean i mean when i got into this call i mean i've had it on rest mode but i always assumed that that was that was fine the fact that that's a feature that the console has i mean you know probably more than i do about ps4 functionality is it one of the earlier models did you get at ages ago yeah mine is well i mean mine is as probably like launch or close to it i think because like i said i got mine in january or february so i i suppose what's confusing me is that i've spent the last three weeks playing a copious amount of crash for on it and have had no problems and then i think what might have happened was because i started uh installing a system update and then i left for like 10 minutes and when i came back it wasn't on so maybe uh maybe it didn't finish properly maybe that's causing the issue so that's possible yeah perhaps well i mean i hope it goes okay otherwise mel and i gonna have to just repeat what we did tonight tomorrow for no reason yeah at least if you're there it'll act as something different consider a guy just uh spent money to buy the old hunts is dlc you know what even if you don't play it that's not money wasted much like i just wasted my life by crawling into a hole and dying for no reason for no reason download guild wars 2 i think you have to it's like a one-time purchase right because it was yeah you buy it now there's a free version you i surely if you surely if you google gill i don't want to i don't i'm trying to think of the least condescending way to say this oh no so if you google guild wars 2 surely you'll be able to find out there i think it's on steam now though as well um i uh oh no they they're delaying the steam release because they're focusing on the next expansion um ganks but uh yeah arena they have their own launcher for it arena net does um but i just to check the time talking about investment time my my oldest character wish upon a char uh has 1060 hours on it um stop cocks so mel you did the witches first is it uh yeah i'm going to i always thought that amelia was easy on the witches maybe i don't have that backwards the witches are piss easy i just got stunned by those two enemies holy shit game really do you need characters to go boom boom boom boom boom and i just sit there thanks well do you think bloodborne's a really good game um i think did i i can't remember who i was talking to is it me no i know i i'm i'm mainly asking so that people is i mean i've let it slip before the bloodborne is a game i love but i think is incredibly overrated um bloodborne is fucking frustratingly designed a lot of the time what works in its favor is that it has an awesome world bloodborne has such a cool world yeah i would even go as far as saying it's one of my favorite game worlds of all time it's fucking awesome yeah the um there's so much detail and so much effort went into making this world unbelievable story actually because one of the books i worked on a long time ago was like hugely inspired by bloodborne because i thought the world was so cool even though i barely i even though i didn't even finish the game and didn't understand anything about it like hey it looks cool that's enough it's a cool world if i had a little machine that could just answer any question i would i would ask the i would ask it how many hours i've played minecraft in my life hmm because i because i don't i there's no way for me to possibly track that or even make a guess um because i was thinking about what my most played games are oh they threw a molotov at me when i was in iframes that's handy because since i didn't get the second stagger build worth this year it has surpassed battlefield four as my most played game that i'm sure of do i annihilate vicar amelia not poor vicar i'll see you spam the fire paper easy this is the thing a lot of the bosses in bloodborne i find where i just hack away at them it's like did i win this time it's like you did like cool the only the only thing that really determines my loss is if i was able or unable to have hit triangle you know when i needed to yeah also this is where they give you the passport i think so now i can go back down to the thing i remember more about this game than i thought i would um i just saw a chat now that was too old uh this was super chat um from rocky 13 too too old do you consider speed runners finding exploits objective flaws same question with speed runners finding glitches i would say yeah because um objective flaws how okay so it really depends on what kind of flaw we're talking about here if you sit in a corner and hit left left right right up down jump jump throw grenade in top right of corner and then look to the sky and you fall through the map and win i'd be like who the fuck how what like i'm pretty sure every single game in existence has these flaws you just have to find them yeah but that's still i was nonetheless right so if if we're talking about adherence to a standard in terms of objectivity i would say that a speed runner finding flaws would be objectively good so long as they make the run quite you mean like you think that there there were two things so the question if rag though is like we talk about glitches and shipping flaws in games like cyberpunk and if a if a speedrunner's like oh i found a glitch that destroys all of ocarina of time so let me get a shit game now it is it makes him and it makes it an objectively good speedrun ignore makes speedrun good as how quickly it goes ignore the speedrun element the speedrun elements now we're talking about we're talking about as a game like remove like remove speedrunning from the whole equation ignore that because the spook yeah because i i figured it was important because the super chat specifically mentioned no no freeing he's moved on to a concept now i think the point the question was trying to get at is okay so imagine like if yeah like if a glitch is something that would consider to be a flaw if a really obscure glitch was found by like a speedrunner that makes the game like you know you beat the game effortlessly if you can do it what kind of is that a flaw what kind of flaw is that that's kind of what we're talking yeah the first thing i want to talk about is the accessibility of that flaw and the commonality of it being discovered i suppose because i don't know that like the one i just mentioned right just this this crazy flaw that no one's ever going to be able to find versus you can't even open the front door of the game without falling through the floor sort of thing i guess it's the idea how much does it impede the functionality of the game that would have to be probably the standard we're looking at yeah i'm thinking so because talking about games objectively is a lot more complicated than which is funny because i remember like when total biscuit talked about the conversation he often said that talking about games objectively is actually a lot easier than talking about films because like depends on what category right because um to a degree the uh a lot of people look at stories as like impossible to quantify uh in terms of objectivity as opposed to a mechanics not working not necessarily easy but simple yeah like um perpetually better though i never got to talk to him it would have been awesome yeah stupid demon souls yeah so if you tag me and have demon souls or dark souls in your question i'm gonna know basically nothing about it uh i know they are the dark soul guys here i know about the glitch so the glitch is basically you i think the short version is you need a gold coin uh pop it go back to the to the lady that gives you level ups and then for some reason your luck just torpedoes upwards to like insane levels and then you get the uh show us blues blue something sword which is luck based in scales of luck and you basically wanted everything in the game and that's not a hard trick to do that's a blowball that's a trick no that's a demon souls one from the new from the new one okay because i was actually going to bring up like um it's funny that for those who don't know right in in ds2 there is a healing source called life gems and you can they're very cheap and you stack up to 99 of them if um you kill the tutorial boss i call him the tutorial boss because i can't understand how it could be anything other than that it's right at the beginning is really shit um you need to talk to one person who's near there and she will move to your home world if you will and she will have infinite life gems you to buy off her for very cheap that um essentially make it so you can coast through the entire game and some people referred to that as using an exploit i was like i don't think that's an exploit that's just the game that's the game offers you something and if you take it or notice it exists then uh you know i mean it's hard to categorize all of these very specifically but um yeah there's a significant difference between the one i just said the one metal just said and then the one where it's like you have to do all kinds of crazy bullshit to be able to just instantly complete the game or something um i started to step out for a second to pee because i drink a lot of water through tea um when it comes i will say this on speed uh speed running so i don't like watching speed runs that take advantage of glitches i like watching speed runs where they try to like min max the intended mechanics of the game like what is the best intended playthrough of the game that you could get that doesn't involve you glitching through walls and finding like legitimate bugs and exploits um i like to see like if like a normal like quote unquote normal playthrough of the game just like the the best version of that like i think that thing is no it's i agree but i think that that getting the fastest time is the top priority and when that's the case people will look well that's probably categorized them different that's yeah are there different categories oh yeah oh yeah like there's like a million really yeah so there's a lot of the yeah metal you can yeah go for it no that was all i was saying it's like a million categories for every game like look at just look up all the ocarina of time categories you can do it's nuts there are speed runners that think the same as rags they'll be like i consider you to be a lame speed runner if you never use the game as intended to do what i don't know about names well i said like doesn't have to be one the considerate name um no i i i got you i got you um for me it's not entertaining to what i can appreciate 100 percent the like people being able to use skill to pull off these crazy incredible glitches yeah there's always a skill cap with glitches yeah it's and it's it's not like i don't appreciate the skill that goes into the glitchy ones i just don't find them interesting or entertaining or nearly as interesting or entertaining as someone going through the game as it's intended but with speed running in mind what is the ideal way that i can get through this game as fast as i can using its mechanics as intended yeah and you for me it's usually just a curiosity once i see what the glitch is like someone says i can be portal in 0.3 seconds i'd be like huh okay but that's not entertaining yeah well i mean it'll be entertaining the first time i see it but then i'll be like okay anyway and and plus one of the reasons i find it interesting and entertaining to watch i quote unquote legit speed runs for just to sake of moment later here glitchless um when yeah glitchless is that when you watch that that stuff that you as a normie can apply to your own game yeah it's it's it's very applicable knowledge that you can use i'm not saying you can't apply glitches but like when you're when you want to play the game as like the game it was intended the strategies you can see in that speed run are very good strategies that you can just use and remember and when you play through the game like oh yeah i want to hit that guy first and then i want to hit this guy first and i know that if i'm over here in this corner i could do this stuff you know the just like strategies like battle strategies and tactics that you can apply to your own rags use avarice in a sentence let's see i mean avarice just means greed so the miserly that's a request they just wanted to use it in a sentence yeah yeah just someone to use avarice in a sentence like that the the there's so near and of the castle his avarice knew no bounds um to all what is more important a game with good story but bad gameplay or a game with a bad story but good gameplay i would always go with the latter i think good gameplay is like critical yeah yeah good gameplay is the most important thing that a video game can have yes really a great game has bad gameplay very rare yeah well i mean i mean if i look at my top 10 list of my favorite games it's like some of them are up there because of story but there are not there that have bad gameplay one of them i think the most relevant example would have to be soma a lot of people say the gameplay is bad it's like nope the gameplay is absolutely what's required it reaches the it's not buggy it's relatively layered it it's visible to deliver the story the gameplay functions completely there's nothing wrong with it and the scenario of an incredible story but absolutely broken mechanics is like i don't think that game is getting considered yeah i i i guess that's the idea right is like bad get functional does not mean bad the game is functional but it's not anything more exceptional than that in terms of gameplay that's not bad that's functional um that was a nice little it's it's functional doesn't mean bad see bad is bad and functional as well you can't be wrong when you do that so it's worth it right nailed it i just agree with rags because when you're looking for glitches to exploit the state of how the game is beaten has progression where new strats are always being found well sure what you disagree with me with specifically maybe they don't even think i fully comprehend what your sentence is trying to say uh i guess if i was to ponder on it are they trying to suggest that like when you apply all glitches the game becomes like a different beast and that there are a whole new set of like mechanics almost in terms of just can you play you know glitch blah blah blah blah and it's like yeah i can this is like how fast can you do it and how well can you do it you know i mean if it's turning if you're turning it into a different game then like then that's not the game that i'm playing so could they theoretically make the same argument back to you how much if they made it back to me because if playing the game normally or as it was intended is basically all of the games that i play um i don't glitch games and i don't try to exploit games and some um it's unmean you know in some crazy unintended way um so look at this guy you're spinning around him and he's just keep spinning oh my god he headbutted me it's like stop it rags i wanted to thank you for introducing me to echo since i never would have found it otherwise yeah echo is a little a little gem kind of a little indie gem uh metal should consider streaming that yeah metal it takes a while to kind of get it going because there's a lot of story the story is bait it's an indie game and it definitely has a budget to it um so almost basically all of the story is told through dialogue between the protagonist and in the ai her ai companion london and it's pretty good and pretty interesting and the voice acting i think is really quite good but it takes a while for the game to get going but once it does the mechanics are quite interesting and the level design is pretty good so that would be one you should consider for a stream sometime echo is one of a really excellent game i really enjoy it i saw somebody asked if i can do an onward squids nigger impression um probably not i know all the lines but i'm not sure if that's i feel when they ask for that are they actually looking for like a one-to-one or they're just looking for memes i think they're looking see what the party rick yeah see we're looking for the result of an attempt get to the chopper go get to the chopper i can do like the no to the chopper the tonality consider that a divorce put that cook it down now now put that cookie down everyone see the thing i retweeted i think was last night like it's a scene from gta 5 but it has like an old sports nigger voice over it instead of the n where did the eti just goes like wow i cannot say that word it's not allowable with robo cop and that was really funny it was just lamar but robo cop yeah oh yeah lamar is his name but wait is lamar the protagonist or is that the lamar is uh like franklin's best friend yeah yeah it's the scene where they stand outside when he talks about he's getting all the shit and then he just uh instead of the edward just goes like when he leans in it's fucking hilarious i love it the number of like there are so many good one-liners in commando i am like this remember sully how i promised to kill you last yeah strike major you did i lied oh yeah a lot of people want us to watch that for a ifa movies we will dude um i think i said this on one of a drinker stream i think but like commando impressed me like hell um you i'm assuming you've seen it rags or no commando county film maybe so long ago i can i'm going to paraphrase the movie if that's a fucking thing one can do the uh the premise is like i haven't seen it so long so someone's gonna be like that's not it but just bear with me because i just like the idea i think it's so cool um he's like ex marina whatever uh and he he lives with his daughter in some faraway place and some bad guys want him to do a job for them and so they're gonna kidnap his daughter and hold her like hostage until he does the thing and so this the the film begins with he's unsuccessful in preventing them from stealing her and then like he gets back to his house and there's this guy there who's sitting in his chair and it's in the setup of like the villain will now explain to you like you know like john wick for example that fucking guy who's like oh you made a blood pack he's just sitting in a chair and you're just waiting for him to explain what the hero has to do and as he's explaining it arnie's just looking around out the windows trying to see if he can see where the fucking bad guys are and then like the guy says um it ends with some kind of epic thing where the guy is just like so do we have a deal and then arnie just goes no and shoots him it's fucking awesome i remember when i was a kid i was like oh my god that's amazing are you allowed to do that that was uh that was the right wrong yeah yeah right wrong this would be like arnie it's hard to really quantify specifically what is so incredibly enjoyable about arnie as an actor because there's not just one element like no he's he's really um he's just he's he's got a um he's got a thing whatever that thing is you know how they're like you got it baby that thing you got that panache you got that panache the shazam the flubo goop that gives you to get up and go to take on this business dude um mel i was being uh raped by one of the witches of hemwick and the other one appeared while the other like randies were surrounding me and she just fucking detonated and killed the others like thanks thanks for the uh somebody says charisma it's like well is it charisma to say put that cookie down now and have it be funny is that what i was getting at is how i enjoy him in batman robin is entirely dissimilar from how i enjoy him in t2 and that's entirely dissimilar from how i enjoy him in commando in total recall so it's like i don't really know how to explain it it's uh he's got a he's got some versatility for a guy who sounds exactly the same yeah i know it's it's weird like if you think of arnold swattsdegard but i mean god damn like radio wolf castler is meant to be a parody of him but it's like yeah but arnold swattsdegard is really like i like him i like watching him in movies yeah and i do well i mean he might still be one of my like he's certainly one of my favorite actors of all time i don't know if he's number one but like there's not a movie he's in that i don't enjoy and that's um that's something because they range from some of my favorite movies of all time to some of my favorite like ironically enjoyed movies of all time so it's like what's going on there exactly uh i think we said it already remember that movie you watched when i was over uh with the assassin thingies yeah there's a fucking movie called like we have to kill ricketer or something not ricketer because that's from yeah that's no um hind rick someone in the chat's gonna know i don't remember it was it was pretty funny it was pretty fun yeah the movie is basically guy has a girlfriend guy's an assassin guy's girlfriend leaves him for arnold swattsdegard who's the gunter that's the one yeah um and so he wants to kill gunter and he gets a team of assassins together to kill arnold swattsdegard basically and he over the course of the film is killing all of them because he's like the best assassin ever sort of thing it's all a comedy it's quite funny and arnie's is fucking class in it yeah he's not in it like much at all but for what he's in it it's fun i'm just like that predator because predator had a lot of good one line to stick around when he was fucking amazing well the thing with predator is i you know you know the you son of a bitch the handshake everyone i was kidding i watched that and it's just like it's funny i feel like a lot of uh my perspective on life was informed by 80s movies because a lot of it was just seeing white guys and black guys chilling out and being friends and i saw oh you lost oh no well do you see what they did they did they did the aoe move three times in a row it's like damn that ai is fun yeah also i like two hits two more hits and she'd be dead so the game's totally trolling me it's like lol you lose but guys this this isn't the real run so it doesn't count exactly um i would and a lot of people say that handshake ended racism it's like you son of a bitch it's um i mean it's some of the most testosterone you've ever seen in a film dude i just love the fact that not only is that film known for that it's also one of the greatest slasher films of all time and action movies it's also really well written like that's it well well i think that's uh that seems to be the thing that you because i mean total recall is another film that i feel like if we watched it'd be like wow this is actually like really good like i feel like that film is really good it's just been so long like it actually has some interesting things to explore about memory and identity and um you know reality and stuff like that while being a really fun action movie do you remember um remember when films could do that be fun and also smart do you remember when there's two um what's his name in total recall it's not Dylan's like the fucking hell my mind is terrible right now he's your man director oh sorry no no his name what what all right oh my god quade right yes it's played no no no no no no no that's right all right oh no so that's designed to piss you off and i obviously fell for it i just lost 30 30k echoes so i don't mind dying to that is fine but not when 30k echoes were just lost because a witch did a fucking stunlock move on me that's this is an example by the way of i and i think rags is going to agree with me so hard right now um this is not haha that you failed this is wow the game is a cunt yeah there we go i guess oh yeah this program is dumb quade it's a dumb quade yeah so what i was gonna say was um there's a part where he's there's two quades and uh he's using a like a the hologram of one to trick a bunch of people and there's one part where a bunch of guys pull guns on him and he just goes you think this is the real quade it is that he shoots them it's so good yeah and again see the party rector is really funny as well um and consider that a divorce hilarious and this is what i mean like and then you have that scene where it's um the red pill nine years before uh the matrix did it you know like it's such a and also i think my favorite part about that scene is like he says you know the walls the reality will come crashing down he shoots him in the head and then the walls of the walls come crashing down as the guys bust in it's like hang on a second maybe this is like bullshit you know what i mean like you could you could come out of that film go like maybe like he actually has gone into psychosis yeah maybe he has lost his mind and the fact that it could go both ways um but i guess that's what i mean is like i uh especially more and more lately as i'm trying to figure out what exactly kind of story i'd like to write i'm just like you know what comedy and drama can like really go together really well i think uh i think again we talked about a lot but like uh joss weeden is a good example of comedy and drama married in the same scene edgarite is an excellent example james gun yeah and i feel like when i think about a lot of the stuff that i like it's like oh it's that stuff not like strict comedy or strict and i think that's what i wanted bojack to be when we were rewatching it and it just isn't that because it's not funny and the drama's deficient it's funny you was saying that because it's like i'm trying to read out super chats but the next when i was just it says uh i always thought bojack looked absolutely terrible and it's just like i wonder if that's they're strictly talking about the animation style or if they're talking just about the show in general probably the show in general i mean the animation style isn't that great in terms of joss weeden's a worthless hack change my mind sorry guys sorry guys but like barfi is so incrementally important and fantastic and also avengers like i'm sorry have we all just decided that avengers isn't a good film like i like how we're all shitting on joss weeden like he's he's a talentless hack and it's like dude like the the movie land as it exists today wouldn't if it wasn't for avengers and that was something he made and it's something that his dna is all over ew like i'm sorry guys i've heard people attribute that um john favreau is the like the dna of the mcu it's like i mean he made iam man but avengers is what totally solidified the mcu um you had to nail that one and it was done at that point then you can make as many shitty movies as you want the mcu is always gonna keep going and i think well it's funny though because i uh i was doing a little bit of reading into the history of guardians of the galaxy and um and initially amanda cypher was meant to play gamora but she turned it down because she didn't want to be in the first mcu bomb like that was and i and when i thought about that i'm like oh yeah i remember when i heard that they were making guardians of the galaxy i was like wait really like rocket raccoon like what um i feel like guardians of the galaxy might be more important than we realized because it was like oh the mcu can't bomb i think that was what that established it doesn't matter what they do like people will go and watch it it also helps that guardians of the galaxy is a really good film really fucking but um yeah but i think that was what it showed is like it doesn't matter how far out the concept is like people will get up to canon fuck um buffing angel is so damn good i love them you're right man they are so damn good i'm just making more fans of it as time goes on i mean joss like this is what i mean people are willing to give these concessions to a lot of other directors and writers when they say stuff like this film was ruined by you know xyz but like joss weeden has been on record saying that age of ultron was just like torn from him and it's not a project even considers his own work at this point it's like does that count for nothing he also makes fun of his own work in alien resurrection also final point to this whole thing is everything you made been good this was fun to me about joss weeden he's got a huge you can call it a huge mixed bag um but the highs holy shit they are some good highs yeah so high right now oh so i just went through my trophies for crash for and realized that there were a part of the game i haven't thought about what metal there are other people in the call all right all i was just saying is i think i do have other games i have other things to play um like uh there are other components of this thing i need to look at okay uh i'm just looking at all of these things like point four percent of people have gotten all the platinum relics like i only have three or four uh trophies left to get well more than three or four but still uh but you know what i think i know enough about that game and my ps4 hasn't shit with that so that's good oh Jesus Christ wow the studlock attempt from the game there unfortunately i built health games to get fucked oh my god what the hell damn dude it was like a machine gun yeah and i'm sure they thought it was perfectly fair like it's totally balanced it all things should be absolutely i got absolutely annihilated by one of those snake heads just now yeah the snakes can fuck with you hardcore in the uh in fangolin forest where the hell this is Zach's knight it gets but not weeding yeah i know right yeah holy shit Zach's not even made a good one yet oh shit from what i understand watchman is something that doesn't age well i need to see it again um 300 is like fun but yeah i'm sure it's not that great and then of course there's man of steel and bbs which i'm gonna be getting a refresh on them soon enough and my opinions on them will be solidified and uh he made sucker punch as well which is really stupid he made yeah uh he made dawn of the dead was it or was it which one was that the 2004 dawn of the dead he might have you might be right i think that was its first uh feature so he did that in 300 then watch men then sucker punch and then he started doing dc stuff yeah it's are my soul supposed to be in this room i've completely blanked on that no no way i lost them didn't no you lost them because that witch pushed you off the cliff what a nice lady that was man of steel wasn't that bad yeah i think what we're gonna learn guys is that man of steel might actually be the best one because one woman is so awful that um that i think that established hierarchy might change man of steel may well be the okay one oh it might yeah it might be honestly if you if you ask me to bet money on it i'd be like i think man of steel is gonna be better than wonder woman i do think so because man of steel is um like man of steel is lacking a lot of ways and like character you know what i mean like it's super man's character is so poorly defined that i don't know if you can extract wars from it like he's just a plank um i don't know um fuck it's 5 a.m already that's it yeah boy i don't even notice well this is good training for tomorrow just a quick test just a quick test yeah i mean i'm not streaming this at the moment in case why i don't know well it's too late isn't it i mean no it's a test stream it can last half an hour oh well like oh i see test everything sorted yeah i'm still gonna stop streaming now though because i'm feeling the tired can you send you send your your audience over here why not right i mean yeah this is a good wow it doesn't sorry guys see that molla doesn't want you over there well so uh fringy it might not shock you to know i don't think that's a good boss i think that's pretty lame the whole boss is really lame and so we're not doing well there's not a single boss i think is fun yet i think they're all just meh um do you know if there's any way to check like if you've uh installed all of the dlc for this game or how do you know like i don't i i'm pretty sure it's just isn't it just it unlocks rather than installs oh well i had to download a six gigabyte update thingy so well that's probably it then i don't know you should be fine it's fine i came from molla in the first place what about gas going well yeah gas going is probably the best one okay fine i'll give you gas going fine you get to have gas going chat okay i'll be back tomorrow people's i'll go offline now go watch the the the mumblos you do buy mootlo but i'm still gonna chill for a couple of minutes just going to go offline oh but yeah yeah but for the sake of your chat they'll all say goodbye you know and then it's like goodbye that cat if you want to keep watching this sports events switch over to this channel hey welcome back to the sports show welcome back i just got here except now you have to pay a subscription that is me television don't you know me too low easy on wait mel was the last boss you killed uh vico oh okay we're drawing finally frame right oh you notice that fringy wait until i fight the pasta monster i'm just reminded of the fact that it runs really poorly yeah that's all why am i going i think uh i think that was back when the debate on 30 fps was really uh that was back when uh i think ready at dawn were like oh you know 30 f that's more filmic stop stop hey look no you need you need to be reminded okay um you're made to die in this section right yeah you're gonna you're gonna hang out though mel yeah i'm gonna hang out for a little bit before i leave excellent excellent all right then i guess i'll continue with the with the things um there's a right wing gun toting libertarian nothing is hotter than a gun owning woman oh another person saying that how about that yeah boy libertarian huh i mean guns are for everybody okay shouldn't be a part yeah that's what i know right yeah guns are even for like socialists you know well i mean in fact definitely i mean the red revolution they had guns right it's called the revolution well they want to have control over who has guns and that's them right but but what i'm saying is when you know when you have to do the revolution it gets the government you need the guns to stop the government right yeah yeah basically guns are useful for things this is true they do have a utility it uh now it's a ring for the second amendment if i if i if i kill this wolf in this opening section does that oh no i'm dead that's okay that'll be the opening challenge for us when we begin the race tomorrow who out of the three of us is successful to kill that wolf that you can do it it's tough all right but yeah what happens when you kill the wolf though you don't get it well you get three health or whatever but you know it's for the fun okay for me it's for the fun for me god god classic freer to my mate fun however that account that character has far more hours and scourge but somewhat recently i have swapped over to reaper so i'm more viable in tier four fractals yeah i agree with all that really served much of a purpose in high level fractals great insanely good for open world but um just not not really good for uh not really good again completely agree yeah but power rater definitely has a place power rater puns are great in moderation oh i guess i love someone just like that retweeted it just so there there's the thing i timeline was this select the tweet not just the timeline you idiot i've never seen that link before that's that's crazy talk fool you fool there you lose a full set oh enough that's coming out soon i'm i'm at the copyright section of sorting out wonder where i'm in then i will destroy you what's wrong with that line fringy what it's a character expressing how he feels it's a character expressing how he feels what's wrong with that i think my favorite part was how people were saying oh yeah no the third act that's when it gets bad it's like oh really no happened in the third act for stuff yes but why is it bad dialogue if it's true and to the character uh is that do people actually say that or people tell me why he wouldn't say people have said that about other things for me i don't know what are you whatever i'm just answer the question for you why is it bad dialogue if it's true to what he's saying um what he means what he wants i will destroy you yeah what's wrong with that i mean there's just i don't know if i'm like prepared to have this conversation yeah that's what i thought it is good dialogue because it represents closely the feelings of aries and his goals i oh i i didn't realize that that's how our good dialogue works if it closely represents your goals then it's good because people always say exactly what they mean well another reason why it's good dialogue is because aries has had enough of diana and he wants her to know that he wants her to know that he will destroy her yeah like it's like you already watched my extensive video essay about good dialogue because yeah that was right out of my script he let her know exactly what he what he intended which was to destroy her you probably get it now like this good dialogue right just clarifying just making sure because you know a lot of people like oh it's really overt oh it's really cartoonish who speaks that way why would you say it's like none of that really matters aries feels that he will destroy diana and so he's expressing that and that's fine so he's expressing his intent to destroy her that's all to be honest i don't know that you can really improve the line i feel like that's the interesting thing about the conversation about dialogue is just like how exactly you know what what is it that makes dialogue good or bad is kind of a you know it is a conversation to be had um of course people always say what they mean haven't you watched anime free oh shots fired oh wait what i see i was just i was just being in front of like stuff other stuff not wow you guys took it to a place that's what you did um it's funny because i do really like death note but death note kind of has this well i mean a lot of anime has this problem like in death note there'll be parts where like light and l they just have their internal monologue projected at you like you know yeah like when people talk to themselves in like a dream or in their head they just have that happen a lot and a lot of the time it's and it's funny right because a lot of people be like well the reason why light needs to explain his plan is because it's pretty big brain it's like yeah a lot of his stuff is pretty well well in defense of that show like a lot of the plans are pretty big brain but there are better ways of communicating that they're just having a having this comes back to the whole a lot of things are given to anime that aren't given to other things if in the middle of some of the climactic moments of Buffy it zooms into the foreheads of characters and then they think out loud like i feel confused i i don't think i could watch the show i'd be like oh this is yeah and to me it's it's less so like that's not what the character would think it's more so wow you write as a fucking lazy well i think that's the problem is it's yeah it's that meta right where it's like i know what you're doing show i see you dear what you're doing somebody said i was wrong about what about what be more specific like about about anime in general probably yeah probably i'm gonna say things that are wrong about anime in general except a loss for it it's slightly better in an intellectual fight like in death note well like i said i like death note and i don't like a lot of anime so there's clearly something that shows doing a lot of anime i mean a lot of people talk about it right that i'm gonna have a potato chip and eat it it's like is this a joke this is probably is a joke about um like anime right how everything's very dramatic um i feel like friggy is always wrong and then the follow-up is i was wrong about halo four you got to pick a better example than that all right why halo four story is bad rags fight him um i can't remember enough about halo four to say so so the big problem with halo four is that it's dramatically inconsistent with halo one two and three like especially in terms of characterization and absolutely in terms of world building like there is no getting around the fact that the game needs to reconcile why chief never really spoke and then in halo four he talks a lot um and seems to behave like a totally different person um the game kind of hopes that you just don't think about it um but it is a problem and in terms of like the actual plot the big problem that this game has is that it massively retcons like the uh the history of um of the universe like chief isn't just an exceptional spun he was designed by the forerunners to like beat the bad guys what and he got like infused with forerunner dna or something and that makes it super powerful i don't even remember all this so do you remember like a scene where he's i think it's called the librarian i think that's the name of the uh the the character that he speaks to um the librarian is this like old forerunner lady and i remember the lady i yeah for the love of me fucking remember what that conversation was about from what i can remember about it the whole thing was oh so like so in in the old games there was a heavy implication that the forerunners and humans were one and the same like humans are for oh yeah yeah i thought that was like the canon thing of the other well of the realm is what sets up yeah with the rick rainbow it's it's not though because the forerunners are a different race the diet act is a forerunner and he's a different he's he's clearly not a human being so it's like and and yeah there was a forerunner human war and the humans were turned into the prothians or whatever they were called the proof for the prometheans yeah no not the most unfun to fight faction ever devised yeah for you you're getting lots of um getting lots of no that's wrong in chat is that wrong okay um all right um but i'm just saying this must be this must explain you bad wait well you got it you got to tell me which part is wrong so that i can actually address it rather than just a total garbage there you go you got something on someone's on your team uh yeah so here's the problem where it gets confused there are multiple different races there are the precursors there are the forerunners and then there are humans when it used to be that there were forerunners and uh precursors like that was what it was i mean god damn like i'm pretty sure guilty spark expressly said that chief was a forerunner yeah that's what i thought was the whole establishment where you are the forerunner but this ring is mine well it's the whole idea that why is it why is it that humans can activate the rings it's because they're forerunners and it was designed for forerunners um yeah see now people are saying i'm correct because like i absolute i'm definitely correct on this one and so like it is a retconny history where like no the forerunners are different um let me oh let me i have a halo nerd for a friend let me ask uh just yeah ask them for clarification stream i wish wolf was here for this wolf agrees with me just adds up like i wouldn't be surprised when a heliport came up wouldn't be surprised if wall said halo four is such a disaster that doesn't deserve to exist or something oh um he doesn't like halo four at all um neither does my friend i'm contacting right now yeah well i mean i don't even remember like i remember and i'm like yeah the multiplayer was fine i guess i i forget so much about the single player because it was so like so let me tell you what i think a big problem with halo four is is that it falls into a lot of traps that the halo games didn't fall into when it comes to tropes and fantasy and science fiction like there's a lot of things that halo does that are really cool um the big one being that um the big one being that like master chief is not he isn't like a prophecy he isn't some he's just a guy he's a really really he's really good at his job well i think i think the main thing that the games often say is uh i think it was in halo three right it's like do you know why i picked you luck it's like oh he's lucky that's it he's lucky that's that's it like and of course you know when you say what is lucky mean it's like i don't know he just he just gets lucky on a lot of things like and someone would be like is that a plot hole it's like we're not like a meta commentary on the fact he's a video game character i don't know i think you could interpret it much more as a meta commentary but i think it's just the idea of like there is nothing particularly exceptional about chief written into the universe but then halo four is like no you were we designed you like you were the chosen one yeah um that can't i just be a man who's good at his job i know i know like i much prefer that just hey i'm good at my job not like i'm some crazy uh so yeah and again this is all putting to one side was rampancy a thing with ai the whole seven years was that in the old games i don't remember that that seems like a massive happening like building something that only lasts for seven years like come on unless that's just a natural byproduct of their incredible complexity but i don't remember them ever bringing that up that's what the game says in halo four like they think themselves to death that's what rampancy is um but but but but it's worth remembering it's worth remembering that the only reason why that becomes important is because in halo five cortana cure's rampancy and the ai's turn against humans so like i'm willing to okay part of what they wanted to do for halo five and six why would ai's turn against humans so the idea in halo five is that cortana cures rampancy by connecting to some forerunner network called the domain so it cures her and she's now in charge of the uh the prometheans and the logic is in charge of the prometheans yeah she she basically takes over the forerunner network and there's like controlling the prometheans and for some reason they fight but then there's some other guy i gather what was the guy called it he was called the um the didact no no no the warden eternal the boss you have to fight seven times um well and so he he's like kind of against cortana so he fights you and sends enemies after you but but the logic is basically it is the mass effect three ending all over again um if humans in korea and like organics are left to their own devices they will kill themselves so us ai have to take over that is that again i i don't like it when games are so bad as fact when i just don't believe it well i think i think of much more interesting thing and this is what i've been thinking about a lot lately is there's probably one of two outcomes to creating ai it effectively becomes god and takes over everything and we're subservient to it or it kills us i think that those are the one of two endings um it just kind of makes sense that that would be the natural end point but sure but the problem is i feel like a lot of the stories that because mass effect doesn't tackle this um if we leave you to your own devices you will wipe yourselves out so we will wipe you out this is like that that's insane it doesn't make sense yeah i don't yeah i never buy first i don't think that's a the only two outcomes but i also i definitely don't believe the whole oh yeah the more civilized you get and the the the more the chances are that you're just going to flat out destroy yourself i think there might be a window for that being possible but the idea that a race is going to destroy itself just like as an inevitability i suppose i think that's a clarification for what i say with the ai rules i think the natural end point would be that if an even civilization was sufficiently intelligent enough to create ai how long does it take before they just merge with ai and become like an artificial you know what i mean like the whole idea of you upload yourself to the cloud like that seems like a the most likely it's more likely to me yeah i guess that's what i mean when i say it rules over not like it's it's like god but that you just sort of become part of it like um i feel like that kind of like the day of sex ending uh or the invisible war ending where there's like an ai that's linked to all humans and it makes all of the government decisions based on like the direct feedback from the population stuff like that um i could see that being a possibility um i think it's interesting to think about and i think it's more interesting than it just kills you um or it becomes a dictator well then you may be wrong about anime and health it's worth noting guys like anything i say about anime you shouldn't take too seriously i haven't watched enough anime to have a real take on the entire genre but they like you fringy so they want you to be right that's that's more subtextually that's kind of it applies to all of us that's that's why people get annoyed they want us to have the correct takes from their point of view as well they want to have their they want to have their opinions validated by us because they look up to us so much at the same time oh i love one punch man by the way yeah if um if like any view when i met you were ardent buffy is an awful tv show that ruined things i would be like really though really though yeah well yeah because that's a much more interesting take because it's like wait hold on so you've watched it and you hate it it's like so i get their interest they're like i want you to know i want to know more so uh so we agree then it is official halo four is bad right um well i mean and this is all ignoring that gameplay wise hello four is kind of a disaster um i think you're gonna find much disagreement on that rags anything about halo four mechanics from a gameplay perspective from i most of what i remember is from multiplayer and i remember it being i don't know i wasn't super critical of it it was fine i didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the other ones but i i didn't i remember enjoying it but i didn't put nearly the amount of hours into it as i did the other halos it didn't crowd me like the other one did uh i mean halo that's a common story rags and i think that's kind of the problem like halo four lost its players very quickly there is i don't know it it wasn't the feel quote unquote the feel of it it wasn't it wasn't that it was something else it was i guess i think it was the because halo four as a as the sum of its parts was just not all that great i don't think i could point to anything individually it wasn't like the weapon sounds and the feedback and the level design and the balance it was that it was i mean i would i wouldn't say that there are issues with the balancing from oh there definitely was yeah it was dmr fucking all the way but then again with having custom classes in a halo game where the sandbox is designed around i know we've had this conversation before well it's not the fact there's the custom classes aren't the problem it's that there's one obvious option it's that one option is just better than the rest objectively i guess that's kind of the problem i'm getting at though is that halo is not like kola judy in the sense that it's like okay there is a difference between a scar and like an m4a1 but functionally they're pretty similar because rich had the ability to select classes yes but it had free determined classes like you couldn't you couldn't mix and match different weapons to your what it's kind of mix and match as long as they're all balanced and each weapon has a purpose but but here's the problem is when they're how do you balance how do you balance the plasma pistol when it's a weapon that is expressly designed to take down people's shields and and its functionality needs to remain that way in campaign at least you know if you want to you know keep that weapon the same as it was before how do you get around that problem well we already know that the the amount of damage the enemies take in campaign differs from the amount of damage they take in multiplayer um yes that's true but what about their core they have shields and they don't have shields stuff like that well you just you damage modifiers are different um but how do you do a damage modifier for taking the shield down like once the shield is down intense halo battle so what so should should a plasma rifle in multiplayer only take down half the shield because once that happens to change but i would consider that to be a change to its functionality because if you can rely on it taking down shields in campaign but in multiplayer it doesn't take down shields all the way it's like oh this is they can take down shields fully in multiplayer yeah but that's what i'm saying doesn't have to be a weapon you can necessarily necessarily select or you work off of a pool of this weapon is worth so many points right um which is what i mean i think what do you mean it's a sickle jigsope this is two people battling right now all right all right you have like when you make a class and more how you have 16 points or whatever that you can spend and divvy up between different sorts of things based on their effectiveness and the synergy they have with other things i suppose you could do that but is that not an acknowledgement of the fact that there are weapons that are just functionally better than others and even if you have it like that aren't people just going to congregate around those it depends that that's mostly set up so that you can't synergize the loadout too good um because one thing like a plasma pistol is really good in some scenarios and useless in others um so i mean that's part of the balancing process this weapon is and a lot of this ties into map design as well if map design is one way then maybe a shotgun is just the best gun and 80 percent of the maps and if you reckon all right in the main play i won't summon anyone i'm curious what defector an tal can provide for me okay how much weight this has in the point pool um that i mean that's the here's that's the difficulty of doing it that's why we praise good weapon balance in games so much um i think that i like the idea and and obviously you'd cut so you'd cut the power weapons off like you couldn't spawn with a rocket launcher or a sniper right right and you probably consider a shotgun a power weapon as well i think i think the shotgun is i think any weapon in the old games just something that would be spawned on a map that you would rush towards is power weapons uh maybe yeah um because um because like plasma rifles and stuff would spawn on all things as well um right that went really well and the summon was worth it yeah we could yeah like yeah and depending on which game it is like the shotgun is a power weapon but like the sniper rifle the rocket is always so yeah yeah um but that's that's part of what makes a difficult that that's part of the difficulty in making a balanced multiplayer game but if your alternative clearly that was an tal's fault not mine starts with the same weapons and then you spawn weapons in the middle of the map that are the people you know people can rush to to get like that that was part of the game before was there are power weapons you go find them once you get power weapons i i mean i prefer i i i think i prefer the other way and as someone who really likes the halo games multiplayer i have seen too often that the fucking hoe grabbing me after a rough fuck you good weapons help you secure good weapons and that can often lead to just kind of stomps a lot of the times um in how they're used and i but i a lot of that has to do with how many power weapons there are per map which i feel is often too many um i've i've simply played too many games of halo where one team has all the power weapons and you're just fucked yours just you're basically you're just done um when that happens i i guess that fuck you metal commander i don't think i'd call that a positive um or if you like there's no it is extremely difficult to come back from a scenario where one team has the sword and the sniper rifle and the rocket and the more power weapons you have the easier it is for you to secure the power weapons um so some said i need an example of a map that has too many power weapons there's a bunch the one i generally go to is let me pull it up it think it's reflection from which game start reach uh let me double check yeah reflection i hate reflection so i think reflection is one of the worst maps in all of halo and one of the reasons is one of the reasons is because there was a rocket launcher and energy sword a shotgun so the na sniper rifle there are four power weapons in a game that is played primarily in a 4v4 and the way that the map is designed there is there's a clear correct place to control when you have these power weapons that plays really really well into having the power weapons the upper area has these two hallways on the left and right it has a good view of the main rotunda in front of you and you have the elevator that comes out the back which is impossible to sneak up because you activate the motion sensor if you're on the elevator and being able to control the area with these items is just way too i've seen more complete slaughters on reflection than i've seen anywhere else um i and i think if there was only it like if there was only a rocket in all in a sniper this is fucking garbage this whole fight is so garbage there's the power weapon dominance on reflection um uh i guess um what i'm trying to i uh i i i uh i'm sorry my brain does anyone even know what just happened in this fight no the answer is no hold that thought someone said someone says that seems like a map design problem you are correct one hundred percent map design is integral to a good multiplayer game because map design map design is so fucking important and i don't think people are like that's not a very good map there's like no but map design is huge because map design is based off of how fast players move what the time to kill is and it factors heavily especially into halo into the potency of the power weapons which is huge in halo for instance a sword is 10 kills there's 10 kills worth of energy in that sword which is insanely high and on reflection it is really quite easy to get 10 kills worth out of that sword because of the way the map is designed you are you should never lock onto the big beast boss it's just like oh guys what you're at the point saying that i just don't lock on is not going to be nearly as potent as a sniper rifle on a different map and so putting map design map design and power weapons in halo need to synergize really well and almost basically all the time i'm like the less power weapons probably the better um i put up with them i don't think they're great but i put up with them um this has been a when half the people in the game when half the people in one game have power weapons and when power weapons hope you get power weapons it's sort of snowballs and i've seen it way too many times on reflection to not just like kind of have it locked into my brain i feel like halo two and three had a much stronger balance in that regard though i agree that's the thing um yeah and so like when i look at halo two and three it's like man i feel like just do that and and it's funny because like halo five i really like the multiplayer in halo five and i'd like halo two and three but if the lock on doesn't work for bosses in this game you don't just go well that's just how it works you have to account for it they had to design it around you can't just go how well the mechanic doesn't work don't use it come on i i never had a problem with the new feel of halo i have no issue with it i don't i don't really like halo four but halo five like i do like uh i do like that multiplayer yeah it looks when i watch people play it it looks like a game that i could really enjoy playing um yeah and even halo the old style of halo it works really well but it is kind of archaic well like the way that you jump and move around and shoot at things it is you're not supposed to lock on to everything don't make it lock on a ball just don't make it lock on a ball if that's your argument come on but you can also see why people would feel like it's it feels old quote unquote feels old it works really well in terms of especially like it just mechanical simplicity is often an excellent way to achieve balance i think that's kind of the uh the thing that helps though it's because because as much as i do like halo five there's a lot of extra things that like factor into it you know like boosting sprinting clamber uh dashing um with jetpack sliding ground pound it's like there were all of these new things that it builds on it's like everybody can do these things so you when you fight the main person too well i guess what i i'm getting at is it's the idea that from the balance it's like when you look at an enemy you know exactly what he can do because he has the same abilities as you as opposed to in reach or halo four it's like he could have any number of different armor abilities yes um so there is that but it all complicates the game it's still all complicates the game because it's all these other things you need to think about whereas um in halo three the guy you're looking at he is the speed he's moving right now that's the speed he's going to be moving all the time um he can't do anything different to that um yeah there is something to be said about when you see an enemy you have an understanding of what mechanics they can use and you should how you can prepare for that slash play against it well that's one of the reasons i really love mordhau is because when you see an enemy you can see what kind of armor they have and you can see what weapon that's a big dumb do you design everything in a game to be exactly how you should play it or do you design it for people to learn lock on is lock on to quote the great mr incredible from incredibles so there it's not like you don't get surprised that much for a game about timing and reaction you don't get surprised in a mechanical sense like he doesn't all of a sudden do something that you didn't think was impossible and couldn't have possibly planned for it yeah i think that's um i think that's an important part of it um i like how there are people in chat who are like oh more of losing his sanity from this conversation it's like yeah there's no such thing as tangents in e-fat oh there's a whole other conversation going on i'm arguing with chat right now oh are you that might go the referencing basically dark beast pal is the boss i just thought is another shit boss from bloodborne the entire creature fills up the entire screen the fps tanks and you just hack away and hope you win and you do and then someone's like well you're not supposed to lock on to the enemy you ever hit that before what you're not supposed to why is that a feature in the game if you're not supposed to do that when you lock on to big beast it fucks your camera but lock on allows you to target all of your attacks onto the beast so like they just like don't lock on to enemies that lock on doesn't work on it it's like how about you make it work how about that how about it works that's probably a good way to go yeah what a stupid argument so i mean bloodborne gets a pass because it's so awesome it's like guys if it's sharing issues with ds2 you better fucking believe we're gonna talk about it yeah i'm just forgetting that more now has terrible max cap population on almost every server completely destroying frames and ping that has nothing to do with what i was talking about at all and whether i remember that or forgot it it wouldn't change anything about what i said so like that yeah okay bye about oh yeah i've been trying for less 20 minutes but there was no gap to talk i'm gonna give you a big cheat you're able to actually proper german well it didn't have to be a city if you can just leave a simp message and chat and then leave yeah but that's rude it is rude i agree it's not rude i guess we established that that my voice is not getting prioritized today where other people talk so uh but yeah i'll see you all tomorrow oh boy see you later better get ready for the race now i'm gonna smash you no yeah um bye oh boy so i'm gonna ask for my yakuza opinions i have none i've never played yakuza i'll be back in like five minutes and then i'm gonna start up like the test stream to see that it's all good sweet sure maybe a couple minutes yeah and then rags we come back to should i read out the next super chat sure i've yeah you know halo fans out there will be happy that's what i reckon as well as bloodborne fans maybe i kind of i've been shooting on bloodborne a little bit today only out of love guys i love bloodborne it is one of my favorite games it's just it has flaws okay it has flaws um fringies hot oh wait i'll read that when he's back bojack is like big mouth tries to be funny but bad okay we probably want to try and separate uh big mouth from bojack all right well put them in you know put them in different categories from what i understand big mouth is an abomination i what i've seen a big mouth make i i would i would not watch that ever yeah it's definitely a uh bojack is failing to be something pretty great big mouth like that that's just a disaster like i said so oof kind of like the difference between the prequels and the sequels i guess if you can pitch big mouth and get it approved you can get anything pitched and approved we clearly earth failed you know we just we went too far or not far enough one of those things happened sure of it uh what are each of your favorite either simpson episode or simpson's joke or moment seasons one through nine ish all right you know what i'll save that one there's two simpson's questions we'll save those for when fringies back because rags didn't uh i don't think you watch i don't know much about simpson but i do have a funny moment from simpson's that i have seen that makes me laugh a big much in that case they'll be even better to save for fringy because he will he will he will shortle a plenty he loves his simpson if you won't watch astates where does south park sit if you had to rate it compared to say simpson's future armor family you know i'll save that for when fringies back to heal one in on these conversations trust me uh shaft just made a bojack vid might be with an e-fap there is no fucking way we're e-fapping anything to do with bojack because that would require me re-watching the fucking show and i'm not doing that see the provisor to get rags to see videos that cover rick and morty is to make it more trick and morty which means i have to re-watch rick and morty which is actually a pleasant thing for me to do so i'm like hell yeah i'm i i'm i would absolutely watch rick and morty i'm doing good things and the things i have seen have been good if someone was like oh you can cover a video about how bad you think a thing is that you don't care about or like and all you have to do is make rags watch fucking six seasons of it it's like yeah nah nah just watch six seasons of it it's that easy and i know a lot of people are they'll be like you don't have to re-watch the show it's like yeah i do i i fucking barely remember a lot of the references for bojack at this point it was already faint when i was criticizing it um on the the efab where it came up i just remember the broad strokes and i remember specific criticisms but even that oh it's all going that's how content works for well humans right it has to be like super meaningful in a bad or good way and it'll stick in there but if it's something super just ugh then um you don't even forget you even watched it another another question in chat because in the same vein if you want to throw it up is where would king of the hill sit in comparison to the simpsons i watched king of the hill like you watched simpsons so all right i i haven't watched much of either but i guess just so it's out there i have enjoyed king of the hill quite a bit it is it is more subtle humor i guess it's more subtle and slow burn dry it's not like it's not like obvious joke occurs and everyone laughs like laugh track a laugh track could not work with king of the hill i don't feel it's just more it's trying to be more it's trying to play itself a bit more straight i guess at least that's my recollection of it maybe that was from just the episodes i saw but i what i've seen it's what i've seen a lot god cancels okay so it's a slow burn good one rams i didn't even realize that that was for the propane when i said it but good catch was it you just said dogs and have a good in games was it fringy as in like mechanically it's probably fringy um enemy dogs specifically oh enemy dogs i'm trying to think now if that's something that i would say and i think it would have said that when we were talking about the last of us too yeah because i think his references would include doxels as a series dogs in doxels assault series is just annoying they're fast they have low health but they can stun lock youth is enough of them they only annoying and also when fringy comes back i got a message uh back from my uh friend yeah we just so much fringy content for us to i know right you should show up more often if you already yeah we would go for what four and a half hours holy shit you guys had fun this has been fun this is gonna literally the one to one the exact same thing will be tomorrow and of course you can be there for that if you want right uh say what now sorry same time tomorrow this was supposed to be a thing today and it's not a thing because fring wasn't here in time but he will be tomorrow so it'll be this exact same thing tomorrow um maybe it depends i might be doing something tomorrow night but i do not have confirmation on it yet it should be your tomorrow afternoon if that matters um i don't know for certain it'll be two hours past normal e-fap time so your three p.m i think all right then i could probably be around for a couple hours probably yeah yeah maybe a couple yeah maybe a couple hours most we're not gonna race this game and then we'll continue it on the friday i think that comes after because there's no fucking way we're doing this in one session and i'm gonna have to chat by the way you're gonna have to guide me to the next part of bloodbombs i've kind of forgotten where to go next you know how these games go without saying and we've got a bunch of super chest again today i think worst-case scenario i will continue answering them and any that are addressed to rags or i think rags would have an interesting answer to i will save so that will make sure to catch anyway uh one of the best blend of comedy and drama is jintama is that an anime if it is i don't care oh shadows of yharnam yeah that i need to get to the forest but i have no idea where that is that's completely wrong jintama is an anime i knew it we're we're we're right like 90 percent of the time whenever it's something we don't recognize it's an anime or hey man we're good at what we do yep that's clear evidence of our prowess come on start your thing up these guys come with an automatic like major weakness that's good for me oh no you don't uh molo rags what exactly do you love about re4 and they move on in this comment to have some pretty harsh criticism so we'll we'll start first with our praises and then we'll move on to their criticisms you want to go first on about dark souls re4 our praises you know yeah you go first do we do one it will just keep passing the potato let's do a strength each so i guess what comes to my mind first dominantly about re4 that's a strength will weaknesses are going to be from the super chat we'll only do strength is strength is that's a weird uh is the balancing phenomenal balancing while scaling the game as you progress like enemies get more difficult and perhaps scaling health as well but like according to your acquisition of weaponry and uh let's say you're arsenal to be to make it more broad and then the the and this is i've recommended this before mark brown's video on re4 that's not terrible the very hidden elastic banding that they have in the game to account for players who are doing worse and account players doing better just just how much capacity you have to destroy versus what kind of enemies you're facing throughout the game seems to be really well done i don't know what they did with that game more than any other as resident evil but i felt it um so that would be one without getting into more specific examples um i will half agree half disagree in a weird way on that um but uh mainly that while the game in the most important way which is the game against the player the balancing is really good in the sense that the weapons are balanced amongst themselves i'd say the game is kind of middling to maybe poor um but which is actually something i think resident evil five improved upon wait what do you reference when you say that sorry the weapons compared to each other like um for instance there there's no real reason to pick there is no reason to pick to use a lot of the weapons and resident evil for there are clearly superior choices that yeah i guess that hadn't actually come into my mind when i was thinking about it i was mainly just like all capacity versus enemy capacity but you are you are correct in the sense of your arsenal that you're using being balanced well against the enemy your ability to hurt them and their ability to hurt you is well balanced uh it does require learning and execution because my strength is going to be its consistency its mechanical consistency where when you do something you pretty much know exactly what will happen or what could reasonably happen um but i was saying yeah the one strength of resident evil five is each weapon kind of has its thing that it does really well which is why the scorpion like when we played i went i kept the main handgun and the scorpion because their big strength was capacity which when paired with the fact you can only have nine inventory slots is a lot more important than it was at resident evil four which was basically useless so like with resident evil four the i might make a video about this eventually because it's interesting to talk about resident evil four the most how do i get to the shadows of yonam how do i get to the forest i've completely forgotten expensive pretty much everything else you can create there are so many windows to reload and such that both reload speed and capacity really don't matter at all um on really any weapon meaningfully the exception being the tmp but that's for different reasons i will follow your guide lucifer the um i would say uh in resident evil five it actually is far more worth it to upgrade capacity at all because it plays into your lack of inventory space in another way which means that the worst inventory system in resident evil five kind of as a side effect has helped to balance weapons and give you something to care about the weapons in a way that you never had to worry about in resident evil four so another it's like i said it's a video idea i've been thinking about talking about resident evil four yeah four and five yeah but uh but yeah because my because everyone's like all the resident evil five inventory sucks and like yeah it kind of does but it creates interesting positive byproducts of its limitation yeah there's not worthless it's yeah it's not worthless it it is like the capacity thing i was talking about when you can fit a lot more wet bullets into your gun that frees up inventory space for other things which is a lot it's just really really important when you can only carry nine things and one or two or three of those will be your guns so it really is like six ish um it's interesting it's interesting to look about but um but yeah i'd say my my strength to be your strength with like a monitor would be the um the really good their consistency you can learn that game to a science yeah and these where you can kind of exploit it in a good way these positives will start possibly like just overlapping to certain degrees but like i guess next up for me would probably be resource management is incredibly satisfying which ties into the whole consistency thing um just knowing what everything is and how much it's worth it uh and and how it you you think of a thing that you have as x and it will prove to be x when it's needed um what do you mean by that like a weapon will do what an item yeah like it really feels like something will fail you when you've understood exactly what it's going to do okay i get you i know it sounds a little bit wishy washy i am a little dude these bosses are too big for like this camera no shit hey fringy all you need to do is not use lock on i've i've tried to fight the the cleric beast which is meant to be the first boss in the game right and i can barely like i can barely see its attacks coming i mean i beat it i did beat it but it wasn't that fun and then the frame rate tanks to 10 fps when it blows up um i'm just testing to see how the audio because when i did that crash full play through i remember like the audio is way too easy new mic all of a sudden at what your my quality changed instantly i just leaned closer to it oh yeah okay yeah it's like this and this i that tends to be oh what does it sound better when i'm sitting here or it sounds better it sounds better i could tell originally you weren't that close to your microphone it wasn't bad it was just i could tell the difference i feel like that's what i i need to figure out a way to have this mic constantly but i always lean back when i want how about a string that you tie around your neck and around so like as soon as you sit up it's just like i mean i will say um i don't know if rag's the same way but you should probably be a little bit high a little i know how stupid it sounds a little bit hyper aware of how you will come through based on the distance from your microphone right like yeah i've been trying to get better at that yeah you probably will really it'll become second nature probably once you i don't want to say start making content but like when when you're used to uh when when you're just used to using it a lot for recording your voice yeah yeah he's been doing this longer than i have i'm pretty sure yeah technically yeah i'd start in 2013 uh someone in chat though said said rags don't overestimate love for weapons i stuck with the first bolt action for the whole game because i love the springfield sniper rifle loving it is not the same so yeah and also it that's actually a springboard to bring up an excellent example in resident evil 4 the semi-automatic sniper rifle is just better it's just better it is higher dps it has higher damage per shot it is just better in just always and also it can equip the infrared scope um however in resident evil 5 there is an actual reason to keep the first sniper rifle instead of getting the later ones it does it it does not have the highest damage per second but it has the highest damage per shot by a considerable amount you can also have extremely high capacity which is why i kept it in our playthrough do you consider it superior strictly that every weapon serves instead of like power leveling that there are always a reason to have every weapon if you choose to i mean it depends on what you what the reason is if the reason is just i because it's more cool but if there's like like a mechanical reason for it well if something doesn't have a reason for existing mechanically then i can't well what if it's just the fact that it's the weapon to use of that category be it long range and single shot for the early game but once you get to the middle game well oh i mean this in the sense of compared to the other weapons of its type like when i'm talking with sniper rifles yeah that's why i said power level so you've got sniper sniper does x in early game you unlock cool cool sniper halfway through and it's just better than current sniper in every way is that bad um it's bad only in the sense if we're comparing weapons amongst themselves versus it's a bad player weapon redundant over player against the player against the game that's why i said i i agreed and disagreed with your first point i differentiated between balance between weapons amongst themselves and balance of the game versus the player um because like i'm i'm not like i don't mind the idea of i use the and forgive the so layman perspective on this when it comes to guns be like the wooden guns and then the steel guns when you look at them they're like they've got the wooden finishes and then when you get this the the gray finishes because they're all like all steel or whatever they just feel as though they're like oh these are the upgraded versions and if someone said yeah but that's bad though because it makes all of your wooden ones uh you know redundant uh as i was pretty certain i i don't know that i have a problem with that i'd be like yeah because i'm getting upgraded right and that also ties into this it's surrounding mechanics like right now i'm just casually playing stardew valley um there is there is horrible inter weapon balancing but the point is that you get better and better and better and better and better stuff that you upgrade and you invest into that give you better capabilities which is fine um it's not like it doesn't like ruin your options it is a specific upgrade a thing becomes a new thing that is objectively better and more efficient um and besides what's more important anyway is the player against the game not individual weapons amongst themselves which is objectively bad balance if we use the word as a definition however you can have objectively bad inter weapon balance but that's fine because it's supposed to get gradually better and better to scale with a game's difficulty against the player which is why Resident Evil 4 has really good player versus game scaling or difficulty balance but the weapons amongst themselves are not balanced well yeah i think i'm on the complete same page because uh fun enough it's like you you could agree with all of that and then you go what if though those wooden weapons have just a small damage bonus or at least the smite sniper has a small damage bonus the the shotgun has a small capacity bonus the boa while every other category it beats out in the in the upgraded versions i'd be like that's kind of neat but there is still a reason yeah um like we said in Resident Evil 5 each individual weapon within each category has its particular strength and none of those and they're all useful in their own way argue of course some will be more useful than others which is not like not not perfect but for instance like the you just in a game like Resident Evil you want power you want each shot to do more damage um whereas well this is the difference between damage per shot and damage per second so like in and that's generally balanced with ammo ammunition availability so in a game where ammo is scarce damage per shots more important and games where ammo is plentiful damage per second is more important so that's its own balancing thing to talk about which is its own conversation and it's its own big rabbit hole to leap into so that's it's one of my pet peeves of when when i when like information given to the player when you don't have good information given to the player by a game that's a huge pet peeve of mine i want to know which is why games that do damage per shot and damage per second as individual things are really great because those are both important pieces of information that matter especially in games like Resident Evil like yeah the bolt action rifle has really bad damage per second uh or damage per shot but damage per shot is really high which is good when you can only carry 30 rounds for instance but if you never have to worry about ammo then it's damaged per second all the way it's just sheer damage in time agreed yeah that's something why you're gonna talk about because so many things build on each other they were gone for you we got some questions all in a row that must have been relayed into the stream that you were on at the time that uh could be answered without you but i feel benefited from your uh your presence okay okay i guess because this one i didn't have written down i remember it so i guess i'll just say the how do you rank king of the hill related to stuff like simpson's future armor etc um the problem is i haven't watched enough king of the hill to feel like i can rank i've watched king of the hill but i haven't watched it in the same way that i've watched like every episode of future armor in south park and so it was pretty with my answer i was like i can't really answer it but but i feel like and and this is partly informed by the fact that i have watched uh silicon valley which was also created by mike judge and i really like silicon valley a lot so i feel like king of the hill i i feel like i was too young to appreciate king of the hill exactly i think that's a lot of people yeah it's not like family guy with family guy's humor is very juvenile almost to the point of being obnoxious overt and in your face what the jokes are yeah it's not i i think family guy doesn't have a lot of subtle humor like king of the hill doesn't um i think that's the thing is like because when i was a kid it's like even though the layers of the jokes to like simpsons and future armor have become more obvious to me now they were still funny on there on the face of it at the time i don't think king of the hill is like that i feel like um but i really want to watch king of the hill again i feel like it's kind of a bobs burger situation where like that show didn't really get me at first and then when i came back and watched it later especially when you get past season one it starts getting funnier yeah but yeah king of the hill is probably good but i haven't seen enough of it to rank it properly oh shit i kind of skipped over i just sorry i just remember the reason we were giving pros to um r e four was because somebody asked us what is it that we love about it i didn't mean i can my brain is not working currently um were there um other broader things that you could say quickly rags and then i can read the second half of that super chat about r e four just oh yeah it's just i know it sounds so but it's just it's fun to play it's fun to learn it's rewarding to do well with it's fun that the enemies in that game are fun to fight in the way that they interact with the player in the way that you can you know inflict damage to them and take them out um it's not like it's not a complex game at all but that's part of what makes it really fun to learn and you know getting all the stuff down and doing well it's very rewarding the levels are designed well and there's a good variety of different setups for combat so the game doesn't feel like you're doing the same thing over and over and over agreed uh so the the rest is we just said um and this is obviously meant to act as a sort of rebuttals the idea it's a good game so we could do these one at a time i guess first one is extremely low fov isn't that on purpose like i'm fine to make it harder for you to see everything because it's a horror game well so fov is complicated because like i remember told us you're always talking about giving motion sickness bad fov quote unquote which is just anything below like a hundred right like field of view yeah which i'm inclined to agree with well so the thing for me was always i never got motion sickness and i always just considered it you are hampering me like the game is like you can't see as much and i'm like all right i guess i have to work with this space okay not preferable is what i'm saying i feel like this is in the same vein of why can't i shoot and move at the same time right uh like well i don't think ariful would be ruined by like a mod where it improves your fov it wouldn't yeah it wouldn't ruin it um but i would talk about like specifically designed with that in mind i i would believe that that's the case and i would also say that there are we're talking about the tad here like limitations as well just to allow the game to run well limitations yeah um very possibly and i wouldn't want to say like oh so it's okay because it's a limitation i'm just like oh no i'm just explaining that like it wasn't something that they could pull off and that i guess then we can talk about how much does it hamper the game for it to be that way and i i really wouldn't argue with amp is it much at all and um yeah and it it doesn't change mechanically what you're able to do in a physical sense like frame rate would it's something that you go in with and that the game is probably go around honestly and something that you have to keep in mind and something you can work with but i don't i i wouldn't consider that a weakness of the game that's right it's a field of view next up is clunky tank movement um that is not a flaw i think so it's a very mechanically consistent yeah there's no such thing mechanically consistent it works really well you just need to learn it it doesn't like that's the way that the game is played well i guess there is such a thing there's clunky tank movement and smooth tank movement and what re4 has is functioning smooth tank movement it is tank movement it's like dead space one where it's it's not clunky it has weight to it but it's really actually it's and all you can do i would argue is like you're going to appeal to how that's not how you move and shoot in real life or you don't have to move that way in real life and i'd be like okay yeah games don't out yeah video games don't comport to real life uh and that's not me saying space wizards that's me saying bloodborne for example i think you can roll in probably let's use doxels one and two i guess like four and eight directions or whatever you'd be like shouldn't it be 360 directions at the very least you'd be like um i mean the more more is preferable but i don't think any game allows you to roll in perfect like every degree possible um games have limits in terms of not being able to best represent reality and a lot of them are put on because what about arc minutes yeah it's like okay i i would say that uh there's there's lots of things you can't do in video games you can do in real life and a lot of them are there because they're trying to craft a mechanically sound system well for example in halo you can't sprint for a reason even though a super soldier probably would want to sprint every now and they can walk they could probably sprint yeah yeah well i mean you see them sprinting cutscenes is like ludonarrative dissonance it's like uh not like in tomb raider where you kill a guy and it's really yeah i would start killing people mercilessly i would probably concede that is a bit of a dissonance but um it's nowhere near as significant exactly yeah it is a dissonance for sure it's just that how important you know like the dissonance of being uncharted that nathan drake is a fun loving adventurer who murders everybody who crosses been called blood and yeah so it's like well why can't i you know not move like a tank it's like the game is built that way uh and the challenges i created around it well i think the interesting thing is you know i think i've seen uh i think chris raygun when he made a video talking about halo is like halo is not meant to be like a real life simulator it's like a game in the same way that chest is a game and these are the rules um the rules were designed this way to facilitate this type of gameplay well i suppose you could go as far as i mean this is a little bit more extreme i don't think people would like this comparison but if i said like i can't play blood born in first person which why it's like i mean not built for that game's not built for that you don't want to yeah i would argue you don't fucking want to play this game first person playing devil may cry in first person you'll get imagine my first person yeah nightmare fuel um i'm cool with tank controls if the game's built around them and that goes for all controls i guess it always does exactly what you tell it to do when you tell it to do it um maybe maybe it's worth addressing because like i hate the controls in classic resident evil and it's not necessarily just the controls it's the camera view as well and my points of conflict are not usually tied to it's like it hampers my ability to be able to act the way i wish to as in the way i aim is changing between every single frame a lot of it is done to trick me and to uh to force me into positions i don't want to be in because i don't i'm not a fan of that in anything how much is that how much is that worth or is it the game being cheap you know in a certain sense creating difficulty where it wouldn't exist otherwise and the the argument is often like yeah but it creates the director gets too like and i say director get to specifically choose like a frame for the scene you get to craft so much about that portion of the game there is tricks to that but i guess the question is how much is that compromise worth like how much does a nice looking level that i'm not even sure that i like surely that's the difficulty of direction is to have something like bloodborne where i can look everywhere and there's something worth seeing or it's it's it's crafted for it but technical limitations at the time like are you talking about resident evil like one and two right uh just yeah well they obviously ditched classic controls as time went on so that's probably indicative of something right well it's worth remembering that for resident evil one and two and three they had to use like pre-rendered backgrounds for the background so they had to be a still image well yeah but we're cancel that out and we're including people arguing that that's an awesome system oh okay no then then at that point i disagree um i think like i think it changes at that point um because technical limitations i can accept but yeah this isn't me saying the game should have been blah blah blah when they can't it's me saying that system is fucking annoying and people being like no it's not like no it's not because yeah it's uh right i get you um and yeah i you know it's harder for me to articulate why exactly it bothers me so much when i've spent so long not playing it you know it's it's been a while i don't search for those sorts of experiences because i fucking find them annoying um yeah i just i figure it's worth cross referencing considering the defenses we're using of um uh tank controls could someone apply them to those controls or camera views what do you think rags about the tank controls so the defense is used for tank controls could they be uh repurposed for defenses of the classic resident evil systems i mean why why i don't like well yeah i i say i hate the old system of movement in the real the old resident evil games i'm i can't call it a flaw of those games really yeah i i don't think i i can't i i don't think i can i don't think i could come up with i could give you reasons why i don't i might not like it but most of them come down to the just the fact that's so unorthodox and i have to it's so unlike any other movement system that i've ever used how far would that extend like could i provide you a system that's like ball in a cup and you have to roll it around three times to move forward and you have to keep doing that would you then conclude like well objectively there's no problem with that it does work consistently i think consistency is a kind of a big key to it it's does it do what i tell it to do um you know is it responsive to my inputs is it consistent and i i couldn't make any i don't think i like the original resident evil movement it just isn't for me i don't enjoy it i don't like it but if someone says i really really like it and they give the reasons i'd be like yeah i i i get it but it's just it's not my thing and just the same way that i defend resident evil forest controls um i'd be willing to uh critique it further than just a subjective position i just would need to play a lot more of it to be able to grasp it more yeah i if if there's something mechanically inconsistent about it or it causes some kind of a functional problem for example when you move from one to another and then you move backward and shit fucks you up especially when enemies are chasing you that grinds my gears like crazy oh then like if you like like oh like when you go from one area to the next area and you keep moving what what is the relationship from the the direction like depending to the thumbsticks