Alright well I think we should get this party started so I'm sorry y'all but you get the joy of me cheering tonight because City's out of town, Brandy's unavailable and Stephanie just rolled in and we haven't had time to go over the agenda so I'm going to call us meeting to order today at 6.03. We're going to go through a roll call. Pamela is here, Teresa is here, you might have a chance to spell that one. Stephanie is here, Iris, let's just move her on down to excuse me. Susan's here, Danielle's here, Jennifer's here, Melanie's here, Mandy's here, Laura's here, Angela and Eileen, excuse me I have Laurel, Randy and Cindy and we will just go around real quick and introduce ourselves for Eileen because I forgot the name tags and then that'll jump us into the public and invite everybody to be heard. So we'll start over here. Hi, I'm Laura and I work together. Do we have additions or corrections to the meeting minutes other than what Cindy sent me today and the changes that Jennifer has already sent, which are all grammatical. You're kidding. Right. I'm not a shocker. I have a motion to approve the minutes as augmented changes. Thank you. Long bear. Any additions to the agenda as presented this evening? Yes. We'll put that into new business. Okay. So item new business number 12C will be Juneteen proof of that. And then we can actually while we're in the suit we would just strike 13 changes. Any other changes to agenda? Moving right along. To make sure you're welcome, like on a formal front, we'll start with Melanie. Maybe you can just tell us just, I think that this is probably the first week. Slow. And you can just tell us a little bit about you and we'll bring you to our couple of places and I don't know if you have that everybody, but so this is the first official meeting as well. So take it away. I'm very excited to be here. I have a background in early planning, which is kind of how I got into this business. I just finished a term on board from planning initiative. So I've been looking for a new board to take on and move to a lot about two years ago. So once I saw there was a board called Artificial Business, I knew and found like cool. So very excited to be here. It seems to be the marriage between urban planning and art, which I love. I'm an artist as well. I work along my workshop with Melanie and Jennifer. And I've done a couple of events with Artificial Business that you guys have done over the years and admire all the cool sculptures. So I really look forward to seeing what I can do as a place meeting and how I can learn about that actual installation. I'm not sticking to it. I'm looking forward to being here. And Nadine, this is like your third meeting, which is fantastic, but it's your first official. So anything to add? All right. Well moving right along we'll go into the Sister Cities Project update, which I think since the last time that we have been here, Susan, we've narrowed it down. So and then of course the event is on Wednesday. We feel comfortable talking about that a little bit. We have three panelists, and I briefly looked at what they're all interesting and different. And I'm really excited for the Wednesday meeting. Do you guys want to see the finals? I think we can, but you can come to the meeting on Wednesday. So let's do this. I just lost the invitation to the Wednesday meeting to the city locker we got today. Oh, thanks. I think the only confusion at this juncture is that the public feels like they can vote in these ones. So we may have a little bit of a clarifying. Okay. Give me a second. Oops. Like that. Oh, it helps if you're actually elected. It's been a long couple of years. Well, everything's wireless now. Oh, right. Exactly. So this is like so. Oh, right now this is wrong. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. Turn it off. Yeah. Okay. All right, I'll try and figure that out a little bit. But the three, sorry, the three different artists are Mario Echivaria. He's a long long artist. He did Thompson Tempietto in Thompson Park. So that makes sense because it's a structure and it's gathering space at Esmose. He's a painting before. And then Joey Bliss, who has done figurative work, who has been on display in Art on the Moon with us before. And then Lisa Russell, who is a Portland artist, and her work also is a bit figurative, but it's definitely like plasma cut aluminum and steel. So I think that idea of kind of a gathering space with some gap of light is probably where she's very colorful. I will try and just figure this for you all. So go in moving on. The final selection is Wednesday, the 27th, which Jennifer mentioned was in the city life today. It means that we're going to have more people than we usually have, which means that I definitely can use volunteers. If you haven't seen the volunteer sign up, I always send it again. If there are no shifts, that doesn't mean you're not needed. Just not because I always use help stacking chairs at the end of the night, cleaning up and doing the dishes. 20 entries and a good three. So for that last night, there's less opportunity. And each of the volunteer sign up, it shows the jobs and kind of what's happening at what times. So obviously I did that too, but it wasn't the last thing that I sent. So any questions about sister cities? Can you send that to the next Wednesday? Oh, the next Wednesday. That's going to be the same thing? So I think the best option is I'll send it here about 5.50. I was going to come get 5.80 on the selection. So yeah, I'll do the offer. I'll do that for sure. So 4.50 volunteers and selection can also have pizza.  There'll be a gate in here. Hopefully. So it's awkward. No, it's not awkward. It is a Missoula theater. So they use this like the practice space where they're blocking everything off. And so I think for the most part, they'll have their things into the side. And we'll just meet in the middle with this. If I can figure out how it works. It just feels a little more intimate. And I think that the discussion will probably be helpful. We had the event last night in the auditorium. Because we didn't know how many people were going to get it. And it was not interesting. And I don't know. It was very formal. It felt very grand. And there are like 30 people. And it was huge screen. And it was, I don't know. It was kind of way. I liked it. Very. I did too. I liked it. It's huge. I think it's very long. So that huge screen was good. Because the selection panel was set halfway up. I was on the third row of the time cards. But I still, my nose is a little bit. Yeah. So yeah, we should jump right in. Unless there's any other questions about sister cities. I think we'll be in here. Unless we collectively decide that we'll just do it again. Just for fun. I won't warn the artist though. My baby girl, she would just fan to do it in there. And make it secret. So it is grand. It is grand and feels important. And I mean, we have it in this space. It's going to feel not this flutter, but it's going to be kind of like this. Let's just do it. Yep. I wasn't here last time. So I don't know. It's present and all. And here's the other piece. So we've got sister cities association go too much along. Let's say that's a dust. And then if it's in the city line, and then a bunch of people show up, I'm not really interested in being like, let's grab chairs. If we do it in the auditorium, that's all sad. You could also then section off where you're going to have a selection panel. Yeah. And you just coordinate that. Yeah. So maybe we'll go and have a little field trip at the end of this meeting. And anybody who's interested in that setup can go walk with me. So we can just have it figured out. So we're not doing the hall of the shop or writing presentations on yesterday. It was a little weird. Okay, so let's talk about last night. Who wants to start? Should we start with selection panelist number one? Randy's not here. Yeah. So while you're talking, it's lovely. So I'm going to try. Okay. 35, okay. So out of 35, we wrapped up with three and we ended up with three incredibly different artists. One of them was more of an abstract artist working with a lot of different shapes. The other was more of a realist, would you say? Yeah, figurative. Yeah, figurative. And then the other that shows anyone. Okay, finalist. He works in realism but in animals, but then adds color and geometry somewhere here. So all very different. All three artists brought incredible pieces of art. So here, hold on a minute. I'll open them up. I'd rather not record this. Oh, I'm near the door. Okay, so we'll start with the first one. So finalist number one. So that's artist number one. So this one is her idea of trying to bring a generational piece. As you can see on the left-hand side is a grandmother figure followed by the mother both pulling her wishes into the world of girls. She was very open with the idea of different female or different people being the subject matter. So the girl in the middle was actually chosen because it's from Nice. The other two were just people that she had chosen that were stoppages. Her concept was she wanted to use a lot of stencils that were going to be made to make over a thousand wishes with sort of vivid hand-alliance. And there was a few things to tell which was kind of for people looking there is they feel it's hard to see it kind of on their way so it's possible. Also we were a little concerned about the supplies. We were going to have to talk about the people that she used because that was brought up as a diversity that the audience would like to see a little bit more putting through a lot of the long line. So one of the things that brought up was that there was also the female kind of similar or but she would know there's a few different things that were pretty good points that we all kind of have to walk together regarding this one. But it was going to be a lot more. We were going to have to go back to Mariah because at times to get you mock-ups made you know they made. They're really cool. So she's saying that her well who got turned back to her so that we were going to ask her to use our supplies that I'm not going to recommend. Her file coding was a three four year we were going to need a three four that every four years. The other two artists were 10 to 20 years on both their reports which was is a really bad difference. We actually have to do as we're doing that. That's kind of what I thought about. Next was David. David's on Fantu. He's a lot of imagery and shapes based on what we have done long on. He really loved the long on the art center. That was his main point. He loved that and that was kind of his whole point. Also the building was kind of down the architecture of that. So he tried to bring the sheets along with what he was going for along with some of the entries of the game. He genuinely had a great idea. I personally really loved his work but the only problem was a few of the things. He had two color options. He did not use the actual sun shades at all which was kind of a concern on most of the panel but he did not incorporate those by any means. They're very green and there's more of a natural approach to this and not so historic. Right now he says this gray panel and that's actually not what goes on at all. It's hard for us all to see it coming together and he also used very high in paint. He showed the two color colors that we would be able to choose between. Everybody was definitely a lot of them. But the problem for us really in line I think for the panel was the main part of this project was wanting to make a side panel on him. I wanted to do an additional piece on the side of the building which was beautiful but we don't have more access to that. So basically a useful looking at from this angle it was still nice and down that alley but we don't have that piece it doesn't bring that whole area together and it's not really decided but yeah that piece on the side is gorgeous and you can definitely see the architecture from the ones we brought through on that which is cool. There's definitely some thoughts of potential movement on that side of the building. They also don't think that we have a lot of work to do. And I confirmed it. Yeah so that would have been in the project. We unfortunately out of the projects we would have liked the finalists. What has been a genre? We talked about them today the preliminary concerts. So it started out with that image. That is how I had an image. And that image. He had a beautiful story like a piece of a long line. And it started with a query on this ball and he made sure he really was narrowly in depth of this. We're like where is this going? He has a lot of associations with long lines. He's a huge advocate for birds. We love watching the long line. That's yeah. So he kind of is just trying to bring our commission to Colorado Wild Rife. And this is what we have decided on. So you have seven birds on this that are all native to the long line area. Each one of those you'll find throughout. So he was kind of inspired by the story of the start of this project. He has a very close relationship to watching those. I didn't notice that there's a long line that they all like to. I learned a lot from him yesterday which was really cool. And he told about it. Do you think this thing looks like that? Yeah. He said where it was. I looked it up earlier. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So keep going. The the the green It's on the blue board in the middle. There's a hummingbird down there underneath the hawks. Flawless. There's the offspring. That's right. So I know. So there's a raven. There's the owl. There's a parrot falcon. That's the offspring. There's a hummingbird. And there's the the heron. And then there's that guy. But I think we're going to have to play a little bit because the easement ends here. So we either have to extend our easement or we're going to have to play with the composition. And I also confirmed with them today like everybody's flying that way which is south and we're like oh this is so intentional. They're flying south but winter obviously. No, in fact that wasn't the case. I was like I played with it and like he's like when they started like swooping at each other he was like he was kind of weird. Anyway, so he'll probably play with the composition a little bit. But he was like yeah, but they do all migrate south. They do. I don't like that one. I don't look at this. The image is flowers you want. It's a vector of colors. And a long one here. That is also long speed. But that's the lining of long speed. You can see it now. So this is the keyhole. Right? There's a block going on here. Is that for the hot weather? Yes. So with that being said because there is so much to see in this beautiful piece. Rex, he is adding some cool ways to see this from different views. So he is going for that. There's going to be two sets. They have up in the side of the way. There's the tops. But no, that was for sure. I don't think I can do this. We've got a lot of work that we have to do before we can have a public art on private writing. Oh, yeah. But yes, for preliminary discussions that have happened, I've already he contacted me ahead of time and said and I even proposed this. Even in the scope of reality and I said I'll make some phone calls. And yes, it's possible. At least from what you're seeing here. But yeah, coordinating with a public versus public-private partnership is a whole other world. So we're going to investigate and he's going to manufacture them no matter what. And that's part of the project. Angela, I imagine how your desk would look like that. And you're like, I'll make some phone calls or I'll make some phone calls.  There's a reason. A lot of phone calls. That's awesome. Other than that, I would say I kind of love that work. It's been broken up. I think it'd be an amazing job of using that space and making space and dropping them in there because this is a lacking space. It is a lacking space. It's unfortunate that all of those things are broken up. Personally, a lot of it's for that more of their creativity and the fact that you've played with this so well. To be able to put that animal in that space I don't know how personally. But then he said, it is a very little space and the fact that these three artists can be art-related to this odd space and to try to maneuver around that is a really good job. But it does feel really important to see happen. I think that with the binoculars it will be fun. And they talked about adding I don't know if you mentioned that the hummingbirds, potentially adding a few more hummingbirds in there to brighten it up a little bit and also to kind of, again, I don't know if you've heard of the hummingbirds that come through the apple with the orange breast with the bear and the yellow hitches that are also there. I love it. I have a few years to talk about and also a lot of this too. I know. So we're going to have to see what happens with the easement first and then we've got to get them under contract second. And once we feel like that we'll certainly mess around with composition. The other piece that we have to remember is our easement agreement includes sorry, did I sigh loud enough? Includes a review by the building owner and developer. So there's some aspect of signing off on this prior to you kind of giving your official thumbs up. So, so today Danielle as a representative of the selection panel is going to make a motion for you as a body to accept this proposal going forward knowing this isn't the end of the y'all but this isn't under ravishing of the competition. I love how you incorporated those panels the level of panels the good the birds are really good the other thing that's for you is he has a licensed lift operator so he can actually get a grip on the lift and run it himself and he's insured in everything that's good, that's really awesome that was a big moment I think she made a work on that so I think it's a six-week project starts to finish he is ready to review the contract now as soon as I get city attorney and blessing the language on everything then we'll start working from starting work with the easement process then if at any point we have to change the composition that's from the selection panel we wrote back in to make decisions how position is blessed and the business owner has looked at it I'm hoping by the time we meet again I'll have something for you to see that's more final if not I'm hoping that the motion that you put forward today will just allow it to be what it is because chances are you'll be done with it by the time you meet in September oh yeah next next he's a person he's got us first for the day and he can let me know if he can say it he's the grandma too I was like he's doing his grandma's job he's like right now the grandma I can say if there's a job in any place to stay we're like ok I don't know it's a warm-heart budget for taking your out to dinner Does anybody have any questions about this work? No, I think it's great. This is the agreed upon. These were the other colorways that he suggested. The first one that the committee said was a little dark. The second one had, we couldn't decide if that was what the suggested one was. I see more green here, but it seems like a similar colorway. And then the bottom one obviously is warmer. But everyone liked the idea of the sun rising and setting kind of situation that's happening in the middle one. So yeah, this is the power. This is kind of primary thing. And the power of the green, too. Yeah, that came through on this one. Because the middle is also gray. Oh yeah, you want to see it? Yeah. That green will match her whole class. I don't know if that goes with anything, but that's me. Yeah. That's a nice picture. Thank you. I put that up there for our flanners. Yeah, I'm sorry. I love that. Is it going? Oh, you know, she's making the soup. She's making her own rendition. There's a color. The abstract, the original color was the alternate. That is the same. But this one was really funny because that's the actual color. You have to change your photo to alternate. And you have to see like four votes every time. Yeah. One thing that the panelist of the second panelist was, we did use all the color palette that was matching the golden, the second green. And on the little shades of the rest of this palette, we're supposed to interplane with that golden, too. And without the other colors of round there. So we all thought that, like overall, and we also thought, too, it's going to be a piece of people. It's going to be very, very fun. Angela, I really do like that. And I do like a positive photographer about doing a smaller. So it doesn't work that way. Because we need to have an equitable process for every project that we do. That said, I did ask both David and Mariah if they would be, if they would consider staying on my list for opportunities. So as opportunities arise, for example, that public-private partnership for mural opportunities for business owners. So if someone's like, I really want something figured out, I want it to be gentle and kind. I really have an express XYZ. I can say, here are four artists that do that kind of work. Here are their portfolios. Give them a call. So, yeah. That composition came from a couple of people on art and culture places working with city staff to direct the artist of what they wanted to see. Also, at one time it was mentioned, maybe it's off the table in the morning, at 9 o'clock in the evening, where they could be down. At what time do you mention that they were in this group? They are all, so that would be great. That would be a reference. So if we can get, and I think we can, based upon our last meeting and the code decisions that you decided to make with the temporary and changing things from visual, we'll be able now to start looking into extending grant opportunities. So, for example, a private business owner wants to bring $5,000 to the project that aren't from other places, matches that. And instead of us choosing the artwork, we can either give them suggestions of what they're looking for, or we can go through our regular process. So if they as a business owner say, this is what I'm thinking for my business, and they're responsible for maintaining it. It becomes a part of our collection, but they're responsible for maintaining it. So there's all kinds of finicky ways that we're sharing the responsibility of that artwork and perpetuity. And so that will be the opportunity for someone who owns a business to say, this is what I'm looking for. This is the theme of my business. I want to bring a local artist all around the weekend. And this is something that they proposed for us in the past. This is their past work. This is who we should contact to get this kind of idea. And the Daniela Invision, she owns that design, right? We gave her a stipend to create the proposal for that work, but the intellectual property of that is hers and hers alone. So if she wanted to revamp that for a business and they work together and come up with something kind of similar, that's on her and we would absolutely, if you like it, you can support it. But going about a direct purchase, typically that comes from something like Ursa Major where it was on display for Art on the Moon and then he did it and it went away and people were like, what happened to our bear? And we're like, you know what? You the people say, you really like this work. I'm going to go back and directly purchase that. That is still conceit, considering the community's vision of Art on the Moon places with a commission. We want to make sure that we put it out to a field and narrow it down. I can throw by the silo and Daniela is working on. He happened to be there hanging on the rope. Amazing. I'm going to talk to you for a little bit. Oh! Oh my gosh. That's where we find out along with the silo, which I knew you knew about the silo. But anyway, I asked you if you were interested in what you thought of and you said that one of the billionaires you ever know was supposed to have a new world as one example. And then in a way I suppose you should have documented this. Beautiful. People love when we're all so sad that it's going down. So anyway, I did talk to him. He applied for this. He was working to be public for it. You know? We were just really worried about the space. We had just the first meeting. So we talked to these people since the beginning. And even the first meeting with Mariah, now people really love the space. We were like, we're not going to get back to it. We won't be able to see all three hands at one time. So with this selection of him, it was like, and it was it's just really chilling and shocking. It's called Sandy Hook.  Yeah. When I first saw her I just loved it. And then it occurred to Sandy Hook. He's very powerful. Very powerful. And in the right space. Oh yeah. It's really it's like it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's a challenging space. There are very few of them have had to deal with the space that we're talking about. It's really a difficulty. And so it's too bad that they're putting the additional panels. Because it's a parking garage. They have that. But that would be like we're not holding them for ventilation. That's what the windscreen guards. And initially came to us trying to have that be in our public places. But the architect owner wouldn't release the liability for us attaching something to the building. Us being an artist that we commissioned, etc. Anyways, it's kind of a long story. Susan was right. Anyway, we got a mural. 35, I would say, two-thirds were very, very good. Do you want to see some Sister City stuff open? We're just gonna, we're gonna make this very informal today. That's what happens when Angela's on to meeting. Well, but I do feel like we should make a motion while we're here. Oh yeah, it's a good idea. Otherwise, we're gonna be here forever tonight. Somebody has to make a motion. She needs to make a recommendation. I have the same recommendation that we, our home places, um, goes further with this year. All in favor? Aye. Um, and we'll add to that. Mainly augment that motion and just saying, um, allowing us to go forward with any of the, you know, composition considerations that might be made. So that you may, that you're making a recommendation that we move forward with this artist, um, keeping in the same vein of the local feel, but accepting in advance any composition changes that could occur. So, um, I recommend that our home places go further with the work of agents on the mural with potential changes to the composition regarding the building reasons. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. So, I go there every time I go to work there as well. Oh, no. Well, we did have a proposal, we said. All right, I'm gonna guess. Hold on, hold on. Oh, we did it, we touched. Okay. So this is portfolio images, okay? These are the portfolio images for the request for qualified patients that somewhere in the mixture of what this artist does is the proposal that's gonna come out. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. Okay. So this is Mario Echibara's work. So obviously these fishies and steel or aluminum along the side, this is nearly metal and mosaic. That's definitely like plasma, that's fuel and plastic. Mosaic. That's what it is. It's open. I'll wait down to see it. Which is great. To see artists working fortunately, which is great. To neon too, apparently. So when I was in Spain, I lived here. Yeah, we used to work well. Yeah. Yeah. I've been there four minutes. I knew people. Yeah. Yeah. It was still so awesome. Okay. How do you focus? Then, I'm sorry, I'm just guessing. Nope. I should go. Yeah. This. This is Lisa Russell's work. So again, this kind of plasma cut, steel, very colorful. That one obviously has the monoflutter fly, which is one of the second finalists. Yeah. I like that a lot. Okay. I really want to see something that could put people from the lake, the pyres, and the views. Yeah. Well, it's not on the show. So, you know, it's something sticky after a long emotion. Is it a movie? No, no. Oh, that's great. The blob is me redacting the image of a person. So that may or may not be the artist, but it should impact the way that you look at it. Okay. I have the second artist. What's that? What's that? I don't think so. I don't think it's questionable how that would hold up over time, but I think the artists in the selection panel are more interested in this. Yes. Okay. And then the last artist. No. I'm so good. Having a good day. Okay. Is that this Jody Bliss? And this is the Ursula? The same one as Ursula? No. So very figurative, but that image I just cropped up and that's just right. This, though, I think that, you know, there's some opportunity to bring that kind of dabbled light through some of this glass or plastic. Obviously, she works in all kinds of metals, so coming up with a structure, being an instrument. And they, sister studies, really want something that after it's in shape. Yeah. So that'll be what is on this one. Yeah. So that. So what's that? The first one is the same person. And then that under all of my mess and desktop is the location, right? So that's where it's going to be seen. Cool. All right. Moving right along. Does anybody have any questions about spoke or sister cities? We're cooking, guys. We are here and we're on a normal line. So I felt like forever. And I don't think it's going to slow down. Yeah. Okay. Shocker. Shocker. I know that a number of you are signed up for volunteering outside. And thank you very much because I think that that's one of the biggest things is it's hard to walk downtown. So there's already a lot of people down there. But the more that we can encourage people to sit there like, what is this? They don't really decide. I would just say they don't really decide. And I felt they don't read the ballot, you know. So the more that you can be there and just encourage them and then talk about it in a couple places is amazing. What hours I was working? Well, it wasn't far to your thing. I already sent it to the volunteer. No. No, you went out of town. It was the only thing. What was that? What is that? Okay. I was there today and our, I don't know if you've seen it, but a couple of months ago we had investigated getting a bigger ballot box because our ballot box was getting all filled up. And so we hired a gentleman by the name of Ryan over at the Tinker Mill and he made us a balsa wood ballot box. And it's awesome. Yeah, that's very cool. It's so cool. And so $125 all spent on Ryan. Yeah, it is. I know. It's very cool. I kind of was like, are you paying for yourself? Well, yeah. Anyway, he was very sweet. And so he was like, I'm going to take you to the local office. Yeah, I was like, you don't want me to pay. I was like, do it. So it looks really great. So go check it out. We have had 680 online votes so far. 680 voters. Wow, that's good. Yeah. And then I went and pulled a handful out. So August 1st, we are doing the counting Cindy. And I think Susan was there last year and Randy and I, it was a little clunky last year, but I have it all figured out now through the online. Once they send me the results, I can then go back and filter IP addresses. I can filter out fake email addresses. I can, I can see basically if somebody from an IP address, like try to stop the ballot box and then I can, of course, jump and remove all of them. So I think it becomes a fairly equitable process. And then it's just really going through those ballots one at a time and taking it together and just kind of what we can make sure it's not somebody who's trying to pull shenanigans. Cindy, when she gets back, we'll be putting the email addresses and the votes from all of those manual ones into the spreadsheet so we can filter them, but we still go through and do an extra count. Because we, because voting matters and elections matter. Yes, I feel like it. So here, here. So on August 1st, here at the Museum, that's what happens with elections, the batter, right? Go into the night. Or the next few months. Okay. Any other questions about shocker? So close this. Go and I'll also send out a volunteer thing. When the question. Yes. You said something to us last year, but you should get on each other. Yeah, we'll get there. We won't get there today. We'll get there next month. So basically, once the, y'all can do anything you want, right? You're not going to. At a certain point, probably say, we're painting.  We did 10 last year. And then put a nine plus one commission. This year, we did put a call out for someone or anyone to consider doing like an homage to power and hydroelectric plant. We received one. Yes, one of 35 that actually did really power. So y'all might have to make a decision. We want it or not. And then, you know, we should still do commissioners choice. So you should say, you know, maybe nine plus one commissioners choice or. So we're going to be asked. Ask. We want us to add something. With a batch onto the. I think the trouble is like what we asked one artist, we really shouldn't have that. To say to all the artists, like this little badge on. So that it would be on. I think we need temperature or whatever. Y'all have a little batch since a hundred years. Celebration of all the scenes. Yeah, I think. When we, when we start the call process that we need to try and keep like if there's a theme to give the artists the opportunity to do, you know, stay within that theme. So if we would have required everybody, like power is the theme this year, rather than you can do power or whatever you want. Then maybe that would have made sense because it would have been like, this is the year of power and they are all about power. And here's the badge because it's a hundred. But if you have like a pride flag on with a power thing, like there's a little disconnect there. So it's a thing when we do these call for artists, it's best to give them all the information, all at the same time, all within their design, when they're designing the composition and then kind of go from there. There will be plenty of opportunities to continue to work with help and see that they do this year. We kind of learn like if the theme shouldn't have been power, I should have gone. He needs to develop just power or not. But not a lot. We do get very many entries this week before my time. When there was a theme, we make it as many entries as when we just say, be an artist. Be an artist. Great. So the shop art is this weekend opportunity for entry level art and staff. So we kind of don't want to confine them. I don't know. Yeah, I know. And maybe they're, but you do grab a good point like, is there a way because of meeting those, we can celebrate LTC and I've heard plant as a program. Maybe we do have a new map that needs to come out this year. So maybe that's where a sticker or a QR code to their story. Because when you read it in context, it's really great. But if it's like, it's like pie box, it's like getting power. Powered by pie. Powered by pie. Yeah. Sorry about that. That's what you could have done. My personal opinion, LTC I think are amazing. Yeah, they're the amazing deal. You know, whatever they're going to try against. Yeah. And it's just one. Yeah, we need to, we need to find a way to celebrate this. To celebrate them. Okay, maybe even a dedication and invite them and use them for that role. Yes, okay, I will make a motion that will do a dedication. Invite the OCC employees, celebrate them and thank them for all their hard work. Love recognize what they do for the community and help what it is for more work to be successful. Sweet, will you do them all? Sure. Deal. Okay. Do you want to second that motion? I will. I'll second it. Okay. It's not really like an exploit. So we'll just kind of do a shock art, shock art 150, 100 year hydro plant shock art dedication party. So all in favor? Thank you. Okay. Hey. Hey, is that thing like that for us? Is that the follow-up series? That's okay. I don't have it. I'm doing epilepsy. So everybody else want to be on the shock art? Sure. I'll be on the show. Who would this task force? Post and I. Post and I. I guess I could do that. You will approve. Do you approve? Yes, the house is small for this one. The water house is small. And the power is just... We don't wear that. We're renters. Yay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Any other shock art slides? All right. Neighborhood improvement project, community murals. Sharisa and Kamala. Yes. You guys want to talk about private work? The private back-to-back support? Sure. All right. Well, we did leave. And we had two representatives from the neighborhood. One was from that neighborhood. The group. The association. Yeah, association. The neighborhood association. And she made her head thinker. And they were really interested and excited, actually, about the project because they had previously been asked for input on the park. The playground that they put in the park. And we were very disappointed because their input was too. And I want their map playground. I told you, it's lame. It's the lameest playground ever. It's like, it doesn't even fit me. That's how it was. So it was a playground? No, no. It was parts of the park. They asked the neighborhood for input. They gave her input and stuff. And the couple just said, obviously, they already had decided what they were going to put in there. And they didn't want to input it. And it's the lameest playground in the neighborhood. And it's totally lame. Because when I went to check over on the courthouse, the art there and pictures for maintenance. And I walked around that park and I went, that's it. What is that? It's lame. So they were very excited. And they actually lived across the park. So they're very excited about the mural. Because they were hoping that it would be a community football court, you know. And they said that many people actually used the basketball court. And they were looking for multiple uses for the mural. Like maybe it could have a race flag, which ends up writing your vibe. Or maybe it could have pickleball and boundaries. Or maybe it could do lots of stuff. So we looked at the artists. And one was very, what I call Chichurama. You know, that's based on the actual faces.  They really liked that. And we really thought it would be great. The heaven of the association. They said she thought it would be really great for the artist. Because he does all these dance for animals and stuff. And maybe add a QR code where we could look and find all the food workers. So you could look and find all the elephants. Or you could put the kids to interact with it and stuff. And so the meeting room, I thought very well. You know, I really did. And I thought we had two really good choices. But I really, I could see the Lindsay. And we were just going to ask for a little bit more negative space. So that the poor, because he really passed them. Passed. So we were really going to try and, there it is. It's on the playground. How do you see? The actually classified as a playground? Yes. Yes. That's it. Sorry. Yeah, there it is. It's like a rope or something. It should be. There's a rope. You could like hang on. And there's a turtle. You could ride a turtle. But it doesn't move. Well, I asked for a kind of sculpture. And it was a chair. There's a one chair. And they asked for something to move. And that they got that. Yeah, and that's what they're not. So anyway, so this path plus all of the surrounding sidewalks are in play. Oh, awesome. Yeah, I checked for September in the response. So all those items are in play. Also, like to have like a free board and a hutscotch. That's what we suggested. So it's called, we're calling it basketball plus. And it's basketball plus what? Like basketball plus hutscotch, basketball plus four squared, basketball plus. And so it's all up to the artist to play. So, right. Okay. I have lots of squares. And my name is most. One side and the other. So this is more like this. I know I love the scissors. Okay. And then five is this. You see that. Also same happening. Well, this person has done me by number of community paint before. So that's what you're having. Cause that's what we're going to do. Right. So Labor Day weekend. So that, I mean, like lots of shapes and colors.  Yeah. I said happy eyes. Like not sleepy eyes. Well, yeah. I said sleepy. But yeah.  Like not sleepy. Yeah. Well, yeah. I said sleepy. But yeah.  Anyway. So I put this. Yeah. So these three artists are each being paid $500 for their proposals, which are coming back. And then that for the final selection, but this is actually going to go out to the public for a public comment. Feedback. And then those that you've got to take it. And I think I have a question about that. As you were asking us, you did some written examples for like the first part, the first part of the copy. Yeah. And is that just to vote? Yeah. I just need to, I just need context or copy here. I just need to copy. Right. Okay. All right. Because I just, I didn't want to, you know, Yeah. say the long thing. Yeah. We'll work together. So anyway, so that's Kylie. So tax force, Camelot and Teresa again, when that final meeting is will be open for public. It is going to also be a really quick turnaround. So we'll get the artists proposals back at the end of this month, July. They will go up for public comment the first two weeks. In August, selection panel to meet. I'm with the week of the 15th. So we can get that person nailed down, get them under contract, get the paint ordered, and then you can have this on the Labor Day. And all are invited because we're going to have to get quarter lets. We're going to be doing six out in the world. I don't get how we. Those are the things start really early. Right. What's that? It was early. Okay. That's right. The artist is going to help me figure out when they want to do like shifts. But there's going to be a lot of opportunities. The good thing is that Kylie neighborhood, of course, the reason that this, this is our first to recall neighborhood improvement projects that is working with our public places. So this is kind of our pilot. So we're going to learn more things together. Yeah. After this event, that's what we're going to basically do. So you're going to make a comment. Thank you. So sometimes you get lots of all those. So there's lots going on. Like also, like I think in the back of the era, there's a lot of things going on. Yeah. Everyone's like, great. Right. So it sounds like it's going to be that timeframe. And so we might call it to all the neighborhood to sign up for the volunteers. We don't know. You know, like the city line or something like that. So we get a little around that. So the community paint is for the community, but the Kylie neighborhood is responsible for a lot of the volunteer stuff because that's their, their contribution to the grant. So that's delineated in the grant. So we don't have to worry about, what if we don't then. Well, I mean, then we might really consider how we do this. But I think that's, and tell me if I'm wrong, but coming out of that meeting, it was very much, we're going to give you the shifts of volunteers that we need leadership positions and everything else. And we're going to market the community paint. You know, in a couple of places and everyone's going to market the community paint, but you kind of either are responsible for filling these volunteerships, these leadership positions, because that's the grant. It's a natural grant. They have to bring something. I think it was like a 70, 70, 30. So they've asked for 70% in a dollar amount and monetized their volunteer hours. Sorry. Yeah. That was very helpful. Very good. If you weren't in the orientation, yes, there's a level between the market. Ever. Ever. Yeah. So we kind of sit. It's a routine. It's a routine. Oh, really? Yeah. I'll have to go like that. I can't. Oh, yeah. No. Are you sure? Yeah. Don't worry. I'm just a little bit. So is it your. It's on the east side. Yeah.  Go over on this one. So. Where are we? Okay. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah, and we'll work. So. Oh yeah. I'll see what we can do. That's it. Do you have any questions for the. Really regarding your. And I am, I already know that the paint is going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be a gel. Can I squeeze them? Yes. I'm so excited. So it is shipping and I'm going to test it on concrete. I'm going to test it on asphalt. But really it's just like what happens when you clean your projects. Like if I could have a drain down pool. And then how do I, and to see it and to dispose of it. Right. So I have to work on it for my friends. It's okay. It's just, it's learning for me. It's not a leather. Like forever. Yeah, it was a project. Right. Once we know what we're doing. Yeah. But we're really intelligent right now. There are a lot of different programs that are doing ground murals that are very unsuccessful. Really? Oh yeah. And there can you acquire the names of the products that do not work. I know. I have to spin the wheel again. I know. I've been researching this for a long time. No. I'm not going to let you steal my ideas. And then we're going to set it up and then I will share away once we do it successfully. But I've even talked to the LPDA about painting where they throw the salt down during ice season and it out holds up against that. I want to see how it holds up against snow clouds. I want to see how it holds up against fakes. And then I'll share it. But I've got the manufacturer and they do it in custom color. In color you want. And that's the problem with all the ground murals around the town. It's like I'm going to do salty colors. So your test is going to be at least a year. Oh, I got it right now. How are you going to figure it out? Yeah, we're going to be gay young or not. But we won't do ground murals on anything that is pastoral or road or anything like that until it does the test time. But landing in parkour we can just do sidewalks versus people or basketball courts. We're just going to start doing it like men. We didn't want those. We just had to do a lot of traffic. So we didn't need it. But once we paid for the paint, then I can go and start painting places around town and walk. And start documenting. You know what I'm saying? One thing I thought was so cool, I just saw my travels. I would just see like a random wave of people on the walls.  Rogue artists. That's really cool.  There's an area of guidance to sparing births. Yeah, we're going to have to support that, but also allow it to be broken free. Because a lot of the things they do, if I say, yeah, we'll do that. And you know, I'll stay and we'll go on with it. I just like let it go because the embrace is big. All right, moving right along maintenance updates. Everyone should have received the new spreadsheet sign up online. I didn't realize as late, actually, thank you very much for saying, what did I sign up for? I was like, why don't you know these things? Because it doesn't send you the list after you set up. So sign up. So you might want to just keep a little list. And when you're like, I click on this and this and this and this. So you have a list. It also doesn't send me a list. So I actually have to go in and check on you. And I don't have to fix that to be automatic. I get the point is sign up for like a half a dozen. And so these are new ones as opposed to the ones that we give birth. Or stick with the ones that you've got going on. That's fine too. Yeah. I just send it back out because we're just going to shuffle the deck and sign back up. But again, if three people are signed up to the same piece of artwork, that's actually awesome. Because if you go and you do the same report and Eileen and I are reviewing reports and they're all kind of the same. That's great. You all are observing the same thing. If one of them says one thing and one of them says something else, that's going to fly this. Like something's weird. And also there's like the danger words. Like, um, sure. Sure. Like crumbling is a good one. Standing waters. And wobbly. And dangerous. So, you know, so we're kind of keeping an eye out. And when you go through, you know, it's good. It's fair. You're looking for. It's in batching. Then we're going to. That's definitely going to be a good thing. No. Keeps her up at the end of the water. Yeah. Do you know what hasn't been like. I do. So once you all kind of go through it, I'm going to keep an eye out.  So I'm not doing magic. Yeah. And if you go like just once a month, once a quarter, really, that's helpful. Like once a season at least is really great. I was trying to easily figure it out. No, it's not. So just sign up. Sign up. That's the best way. The other thing is we always have interns or new interns coming on board. So we utilize these kinds of things for training on these two. So we have a new look, conditional report of this pen. And then we have to go out for this culture. It's cool. Okay. So that said, that said, Night and Alpine was power watched two days ago. I observed it. Tamlin, Katie, Haney, and I have been fighting about paint chips for two days.  And chunked up. Yes, I did. I chunked up these on the wall and I took it in there because they made people buy the paint right when you hand them the chip. And it said no more contractors doing it. So I dropped out the paint chip today. The phone rang and I said, Sam, we'll be talking to you mom. They'll start painting on Monday. So this is the start back. Yes, this is the base coat.  Band-aid color overgrowing in like this here. It's clean band-aids. So we're going to put the blue down. Then we're going to put the notice down. And once I have Pat Mulberry hammered out of when those community paint-aids are going to be, then this project is going to get run on too. But it also will probably happen in the fall. It's in the fall. Certainly before we run with this. So, but we're moving along. So at least if it starts getting graffiti now, it'll just be blue. And we're going to paint the band-aids. Any questions about band-aids now? Are they going to leave it open? Yes. Because they're covered, believe it or not, the graffiti vandals don't want some graffiti on them. No, I hope yes. And there's mural and ceiling on the hoppers. Oh, so every time if it does happen, then we can power wash them. But as soon as the new mural goes on, then we'll be sealing it up as well. Those will be more volunteerships. We have caustics in the running. We have caustics in the running. We have caustics in the running. The box culvert. Yes. So, yeah. But it's going to hurt. Okay, anything else about band-aids? Our Nature's Way contractor comes in. Oh, cool. So, at least we'll have an idea of, by the end of the year, we'll have an idea of either what it costs to repair it or if the cost outweighs maybe a little bit of hard decisions. So, we'll know more then. Is there any further conservation? Is the other... Are we totally close to broke up the five pieces in the same set? No. They're in storage. I know, but people here are so hard. No, they're in the same set. They're in the same set. Okay, all right. But whether or not... Right. Whether or not the artist wants to pay the tuition. Oh, besides. Okay. But yes. Okay. New business. I've been working with Dan Wolfer, who is the open space director about the Union Cybers if you have an opportunity to drive down County Line... County Line 21. County Road 1. County Road 1. County Road 1. I just go to Kent Crab County Road and you can't miss them. They're giant. I measure them and I'm pretty sure they're 1,975 square feet. Gold. It's one on top of the property. They're all on our property. They're all... The city owns them. Yeah. We own them. All right. The open space people, when they purchased them, did not get any documentation of how or if they were sealed. So we don't know the status of the masonry right now. We also don't know the status of the cage. There's a rebar cage that I heard it silo together. Well, rebar, once it starts rusting, it doesn't stop rusting. Which begs the question, what can we do if it is rusting? And then, if we try to prevent it from rusting, basically how long is it until the rust comes through? And if we've seen a mural on top and there's a cage of a grid underneath it, then by the time you're going to have a mural that has a bunch of spots all over it, right? Is the rebar embedded in the property? No. Like on the X, it looks like it's got mostly masonry in the property. So, I'm basically in a rabbit hole of awesome scientific process of the masonry, everything. Getting the lift and taking a look at if it's rusting. If it's rusting, we're going to have to make a decision if it's not rusting, I have someone looking, my paint contractor is looking into the products that basically seals it and what farmers use basically to seal this kind of stuff. And then, when they are one way or the other they'll have to be scrubbed and cleaned and then sealed and then primed and then painted and then sealed. And so, my estimation of the artwork alone is anywhere between eight is probably in the sense that each is less the prep. So, I will have numbers for you but I just want you to know this is a very large project. Albeit, could be potentially the coolest ever. But, it's not a small project. That being said, 2023s asset line item which budgets have not been approved yet but they will be, they go August. August, September. Anyways, we budgeted over a quarter of a million. So, it's in our budget. Have we thought about just to shoot around which is the same thing that we do here. We have to work with people. But, you know, like trying to scrub all of it. I believe our beliefs and which we are talking about structural engineers. I mean, maybe, maybe I think that there's that is actually legitimate about it. Because we're talking about the abstract geometric guy and we just look at artists that that is their wheelhouse and we're like, here's your grid and you need to do work within it because at some point, like that grid is real. So, I don't know. Yeah, sorry. Has he done it below? Half for me and we were all. We could be metal, sculptured with swishes that come down from the top to a certain point or something. Like we would call it a fall. Yeah. And so that might be a different kind of offset.  I also just heard about that. I'm going to see it. So I did an overpass and an underpass on the other side of the mural and they just ran so ramming tiles that are going through there and I don't know how they attacked the mom. I mean, I always get a structural engineer out and they say, alright, if we were going to adhere to this sheath or otherwise, what would that be? I'd like to bring the mural dollars back to you to either scare you enough out of it and say, we need to take another route or we investigate, hey, we want something that appears, we know that it can hold X, Y and Z and we want solar panels that are illuminate and we want whatever. We can take this project wherever we want it to go. I think that's where the city was coming from offering them as a series. They're free of them while they're spacing between them. It's clear that they're set. Right. That's okay. So I was going to say one of the coolest things I saw in this concept of time is that the old farmer's side of the silo my grandfather was describing here how they have all the green windows right, so they put like colored glass in those green windows and they made a circular staircase on the inside and it's like an attraction. So you can go and fill up this thing and then they put the doors. This is the tops I work with the door in the below and they have holes so you can see out and you can go up there and you can see how they're not as simple. I don't know how to suggest that we visit the line. But that would be the parks advisory board. Museum people are like did that to you? It was really cool. Very cool. So on the inside of the silo artwork all the way up on the inside it's like an attraction that people go to to see and it's really cool to go up there and look out and surveil because you're really far out the ground. I think with the sugar factory I think that what do they call it adaptive use I think that's very much the intention of the U.S. I'm sure there aren't a couple of places that will come in the way. That's easy to attend. Do you remember? I remember. When the consultant was making the presentation about all the development of the sugar mill we showed many slides and made to our face including silos. So that would be a thing to look at and see is there any other city that's done things in their silos that we wouldn't see. And again I entered into this with the initial union silo conversation with mural. So that's the path that I'm on. I'd like to at least get to a point where yes it's possible this is the dollar or no really this is a responsible and then start going into different paths but it doesn't necessarily even if it is as we think about it even if it is a mural it's possible and we all decide that's not the path that you want to go this is your decision this is my decision. That's just no hate and not get answers to the questions since I'm already sure. I know I love that I wonder how I can enter all of that actually working on your mural so most likely that is the vinyl coating and today the designer for all of these has been using vinyl and has been using vinyl coating I'm actually working on a mural right now with the front of the tap room sunset and we're also working on the vinyl so that's typically what the designer for all of these uses and he did that silo for the kids and he's immersed that sort of theory that you're talking about and he works across the community and he got to be working on it and all of that vinyl that's definitely happening but we don't want to be married to that so that's why that was used fairly significantly in collaboration with this because of course you can you can get an artist and make them to do design in a digital realm a digital design and the labor is less and then your vinyl wrap verses can be obviously cost less and then you're thinking about brands and colors and changing into the future it's really easy to change to do art in public places probably inside the world I mean I think we could but it's more important that's just yeah so they don't last very long you know in the grand scheme of things ways that vinyl wraps have been used in art in public places in other communities is the traffic boxes like when you come to a stop and you look over and there's the big metal that runs the traffic thing a number of communities have gone into like their photo archives and picked out a bunch of really great old photos and have those transferred into vinyl and wrap those suckers and then when they go bad you strip the vinyl off and they replace it yeah they're a match manufacturer in our guidelines that's not typically the kind of material that's in other things like the tendency for public art but it's not something lost in the room I just think it's an issue okay, yes I can look at what, 1975 square feet vinyl wrap wrap costs I just don't think that on a big scenario but I guess again we figured out the structural engineer and then covered the historic silo and something to then wrap it and look at what that is I've never seen it done before but that doesn't mean that you don't try any things yeah okay I just think that there are though maybe other, like the traffic boxes or other things that is super okay yeah I haven't seen this either so I'm just saying they're masonry bricks abandoned yeah but it's a historic structure but it's not historically preserved so that's why they would use it for the art on it um there's a silo which made 66 I'd say grain rice maybe and there are all the dirt rice out there and there's two rice and the newspapers we have been talking about has um sunflowers all over it it's private and the guideline for how many percent for these children and we call it what others have and add more sunflowers because I would say ours because they're children and sometimes I like like all the way out there and it's really quite lovely and it's been there over a few years is it a flat silo I mean there's a surface I don't it's part of the problem because I can't walk up to it you can see it real well so like the ones that are overripe about and you go back search at ours and the three that are overripe bootstrap are like silos from 70s or 80s and so they're not like masonry there's some sort of flat they're flat but these silos are like they're farm, they're agriculture they're agriculture silos so they're made out they're made out of masonry blocks they're stacks, blocks there's the cage that's holding all over and it's the grant line so it's structurally now that's why the city offered it to us could it be expanded or continue to rust and then stay structurally I mean the only reason the city gave it to us and suggested it as a vehicle for public art is because we own them and they're sound and they spent a lot of money right there where the bike path goes through and so it was one of those opportunities for the 1% to kind of go back into the area from which the project funded our public places and I guess I'm trying to imagine the open spaces are about eight and a half eight and a half by ten right and inside the van swallows go in next there's only certain times that we're allowed to be painting because the swallow's next because it's open space so it's a big bad complicated project and again the initial idea was painting so that's why we're down this road but it's not to say that we're going to get further down this road and we're going to look at it and say that is the wrong direction we need to on the map because they're huge, they're amazing I mean it's a one thing that there's some values too is that by Winstry? yeah I don't know who owns those though but that's not to say because we don't own them doesn't mean that they're but those are cool so imagine those these silos are absolutely opposite of those there's nothing smooth about these at all I was also going to say just throwing this out was when we stuck a metal mesh to adhere to the stones so that we that also maybe we can take it part of it and make some bands part of it so you still see the structure but you then cover that that rusty part you put the new stuff out of the finish line you put a three layer finish line that has mesh and you know you can use that so you're going to use that to make a structural stucco on it and then you set that stucco up to see if there's anything you need to talk about you're going to have to wait till you're attached and you're going to attach a band guard or something else you know all the parts that you need to sort of store so you can see both values to it yeah I have a couple of theories I'm going to say that too these are all issues alright lots to continue on but I'm going to be able to start, no no no I'll make it work that way I don't know how far I'll get into some of the new materials but I'll put it into the I'll investigate to come up alright new business code changes we're going to table because I don't have any background to the attorney's office unless anybody has anything that they're glaring comments about that okay, Juneteenth and Roosevelt and it was this C Stephanie and Laura yeah so we both listed there but that was more than two great ones yeah I was there most of the entire time and that's something that's more than right on the table so Justin was so kind because at first I had this I was actually like I can't take this ten times I'm going to look away and don't give someone don't give this up but you know we enjoyed them but people were I talked to everyone and went around and pitted out the stupid you brought told them about shock art though told them about the cities all those things and you know so we had stickers of our community we had shock art coming so I got to get on the speaker and tell everybody so that was that I don't know how many people are there anything so I have six people sitting you know you know a lot of watching it a lot of high school watching it was awesome and I do some kind of videos because I got to do some social media stuff but I'm sure that just put them in a freeze out of town and just make some of those a lot of people actually were sitting here part of the business that's really cool so yeah because they got actually 45 people so a lot of people were like there was so much art here and they were so excited to have it out and to go and check these out so it was wonderful people were just loving the art we were so grateful for it so it made people really good I wanted you guys all to think about what we could do so you think for next year so Juneteenth came off as like a full of train and by the time it was like we want to do a youth art competition and I think that's why I was like it is March and Juneteenth is March so we start at the end of this year or beginning of next year if it's youth we definitely need to figure out collectively if we do an IGA and work with the school district or if we work with the chief either like directly we do an IGA like why I don't know we could do a couple of different things so like it could have some art we did in my school we did a competition or all that does a great thing to present at Juneteenth and you can put it under the big metal palm because we have such space in here that was a piece so we have something that's meaningful it depends on your learning sense and that's what I know about Juneteenth we just have to remember of course that when we commissioned artwork well now that we're going into the temporary world you know we just start thinking about making more temporary opportunities for people to participate and create works that said we also want to start setting precedence we're starting in year one if we're acquiring a piece of art for Juneteenth from a personal color within the community or whatever in perpetuity where does it go in your 25 that are all part of the same size what does that work for and so we're starting to think about setting the precedent of how is it that art in public places effectively and successfully supports Juneteenth art creation because we can always partner with somebody and say hey let's make stuff and put it up but that's not really our mission so how is it that we how are then and engage them and make it meaningful and then put it in the art of art collection it's like if our sidewalk comes in one small you could save effort but there's a tile it's a new bridge you could do near four squares two squares or whatever you know the page of the design mission going on so I think that that's definitely like if Juneteenth is an indication that it's dead on right that's the other piece of it in the same place which we've learned from the Adenis Fortos over 20 years it's never it will never be this but but as long as it's as long as it's intentional if it goes in words about art even if the event isn't there every year but the art of art places painting event happens a little more hard and the art says yes you know that's something that we stick with and we move there too but anyways the point is that we definitely should start at the end of the year formulating the what so we can get the IGN but so we can't work with kids and we can't photograph them until we get lots of permission so Juneteenth actually what we do is talk about this with the government that came in and talked to us about this event experience and so maybe we can do some sort of experience where we can set up almost like a document with a long group of screenings and you have digital art but if you're on this experience you can walk through it that place making up experience, people who love it and it's up there for something that can be done if you're up there doesn't it just like fall into the same category of like art or all of us yes it's like look at that I'm not joking how long have they told us your truck is coming you can use it for other things we have a shed we have a shed we have a shed now so we can just move things into our shed and then you can move our work and we'll clean and then move it's totally possible that's true no glitter no glitter no glitter it's part of the rules Juneteenth no glitter alright so we we can idea all day long but I do think that the point is that we started on Juneteenth earlier so we can get this done and done well and then task force it out to the shopper oh I know I said you uh so that was about it which one did that go to it opened it started to open one second but it never opened what was it supposed to open I was supposed to open the shop art and several other pages we're supposed to have the page for art and all the places in the shop art so now as it's opened we are a generator so we're not allowed to use and resold it which is probably the way it is and on twitter it's just something that you can do yeah it's a good idea so we have a very good one okay any other new business is it good to buy I don't know long and I have not looked like your friend a lot out there because I didn't get the information about the meetings. It was very good. Oh yeah. So have you looked up the city website? It's okay. But I'm supposed to stop by.  I think that it would be really awesome to be able to come up with some involvement on that project. But she definitely had a date. It wasn't the islander either. Like that's where I looked first. On the city council panel? Yeah. Oh, I looked at both. I looked at both and not. Yeah, I know. It was for that. So I'm going to throw the ball back at you. Yeah. Hey Facebook friend. Yeah. Do you want to write copy for me for every single Thursday until the end of time? Like through 2023? And we'll pre-populate our Facebook page. Does it look like 10 or 12 meetings happening? Yeah. Hey, this upcoming, I don't know, like the Monday before and the day up. Yeah, the morning up. And if you'll just like fun copy because I like the same copy. It's all those hate folks. It always starts with like, I don't know. Because I don't want to say hey boys and girls because that's not the city. You know? Hey, yeah. Yeah. Hey, yeah. And then if you write, even in a spreadsheet, like Monday of August, Wednesday or Thursday of August, Monday of September, Thursday of September. And then I'll populate it with images and correct links. And then I can preload them and then they'll go out on Facebook. It was just my fault because I was just asking it on your time. Yeah.   It's what it looks like. So I just thought of what you said. So the museum's lucky enough to have their own. Micro site. And the city is allowed to have an Instagram. We, as our home places, are allowed to manage our own Facebook account and our own web pages, but not where you can find the web pages. That's just the thought. That's just that. So anyway, sorry about that. I'm glad you're here. I made it. No, that's a really good one. Any other questions or thoughts? Oh. Do that. I think it would be lovely for us. This year has been more than two. Not a lot. Definitely. We do it as a public page. Okay. This is what I'm going to show our part. This is, I can send you a calendar. We can't have a, we can't have a shared point of sight. I can't have anything that you can log into. Facebook event. When you do Facebook events. All the time. So the cities. I'm not trying to be a no person. I really am not. And I'm just like an appointment. I mean, in fact, like. The museum is lucky enough to have its own event calendar because it has its space. I can ask to be added to the museum calendar. But like, I really think that would want to know. Because when I was out on YouTube, lots of people were like, yeah, I don't know what's going on. You know, all these voting events. And we have Facebook page 20. And these are what the, I don't know. But I just don't believe that a lot of people use Facebook. But people do know. They do. Go to the museum calendar. I can ask. And I also feel like the communications team is. It's happened better. I'd say just seeing the, the five years I lived on that I would say that I definitely see more than I ever seen in the past. You know, is the community or the creative district. We could send all of our stuff to the creative district and have them populated on their cover. And publicize the creative district as an outlet for marketing for us. That would be a really cool idea. We also have a couple of events on Facebook about the creative district. Okay. That we can, that we can ask them. We just can't, we can't make any of that ourselves. That's crazy to talk to. I always share. From my face. But because getting those out more and more. And so I did ours. My friend's room chair. And so, you know, that's not the most efficient way. But it's just like it helps helps. Yeah. I mean, from a marketing standpoint, I think it's a really good idea. I mean, it helps helps. Yeah. I mean, from a marketing standpoint, I think we have our, we have our email blasts, which would be corollary. And then, you know, we have our Facebook page, which I'm not very good at, but I tried. Yeah. Calendar wise. There's also the Boulder County, Boulder County Arts Alliance. They have a calendar. There's good. And they populate events all the time. I don't know how they work. If you would like to investigate all the calendars or ways that I can populate. You know, I can send content all day long or we can co-create content. And then if you want to sit down and load these things up, that would be amazing. But it's just us creating our own. Yeah. But it's just us creating our own. I have had the Instagram fight one time. I lost. I don't know how to say, but I'm a senior employee and I'm stuck in the planters. I'm stuck in it. Like, you know, it's kind of a, when you need to see your staff, here's where the girls work, but like, you know, it's frustrating. Like it's frustrating as an employee and trying, doing amazing things and hearing that people aren't hearing about them, like, but I think the outreach events is a great way that we get out there, getting people to sign up and get our newsletter is a great way, bringing in friends is a great way. But yeah, like the whole, like, you know, you don't need to work in like a non-profit works or you don't want to be like, I'm a waitress. Like, we're stuck in, you know, I still have warrants on these areas, but you're stuck in your place between the city commission, which is also ruled by the state rules on meetings and attendees. And that's where we're stuck with a lot of old-fashioned leaders and grand leaders, that don't really know how to receive information right now. Right. So, I mean, I guess we could, well, somebody can try talking to the commission officer. I'm sure we'll be going like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, to be fair, they did meet at the museum this last week. Yeah. They met at the museum and they saw the activity that was happening here and they have a new portal now for us to, if we want communication to go out in different ways, the different people that we're trying to reach and how we want to reach them. So I think that there's, again, slowly more resources for us to, to feed, to send information out, but us creating our own, this way. Mm-hmm. I think it would be different if you go to that team and express your good points. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Absolutely. I know that. Well, I think, you want to write a letter from the, from the armed public places commission and say we're frustrated that we can't have Instagram account for, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. And you want to write that letter and I can even deliver half two. I would be happy to go to cancel it if that's what you do. You know, I don't think it's possible. I think it is. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Okay, but, to, to, to, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I came from, I don't know, I got a form going to that city orientation meeting and they're, this is always really important. And the public information office was there and the city attorney, and they basically told us what we can and cannot do. So that's what I feel like I know this a little bit. But that, I think that's a really good idea. I think you give us the authority to do this. Well, they should be having orientation again if they should. Oh, here has intended for the city, orientation presenting on a board. Yeah. I don't think that they, I think they sent it to me, zoom. And I think that that was really interesting. Yeah. It's totally different than when it's in person. Yeah. We did it. Yeah. It's totally different when it's in person. So when that comes up again, that's a great place. It's a very open forum. Yeah. It's very, what is my goal? How do I fit into this? And of course, you're sitting with people on the water board or the development board and they're working our work. Yeah. Different. But I think that that's the point. We do something that's completely different than that. And maybe it's not only to do something. Right. That way. We need to be busy. We are. We're all project based, I would say. But, ours is far, far more inclusive and engaging, positive, and honest. Like, Yeah. Things you want people to know about, not the things. Like. Yeah. So I think that those are the healthy ways. Again, the access to city council, certainly distribution. Yeah. Like we as the Board of Commission are frustrated by the methods which we are found and allowed to communicate with the public. And then what is the best way. That we as the Board of Commission, as part of you, right? How do you want us to communicate? And they're going to say, the PIT team, reach out to them, calls, and ask them to do the same. But they hear from you. So they hear. It seems like, what I should hear is, yeah, because of the PIT, we think we see. Yeah. For that. That's what we've done. Yeah. So let's say, what is possible? Yeah. Yeah. No. I think we need to start as a commission. Like one person from one commission going is not the way that we should be able to. So where are your draft idea, whether you're, okay. We need to speak as a body, because we are a Board of Commission.  I know what they're saying today, or what you all are saying. Yeah. I feel like, I don't know. I know that. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why it's, that's why she's saying, I know Lia's not from the city, and I'm telling you, these are the things that we are. Yeah. So if you have a message for council about what this is, you can comment on it. And use you. So I think, I think it's very fair to say that we have a, we have Facebook and we have our own email list, which is, that's large. We have access to the city line when they decide to publish what we give them, which happened this week. That's great. And then we have the PIT team, which if we have things that we want to send, we can send it to them and tell them, we want to send this to the community. And they figure out how to do it. And we have our webpage for what it is, the pages that we have. So I would say that those, those are the ways. That we could be able to do it with the world. So we definitely do not have a calendar, but I could investigate the museum now. 100%. We absolutely have the creative district calendar and Boulder County Council, or Boulder County Arts Alliance calendar offer that we could actively, as a board commission, choose to gather our own things and pop them. So we have those things. That would be the package that I would say that is available to you as a board, right at this time. No, it's, yeah. How do they get, you know, to turn this out, and they do their jobs. Okay. Are they sending you them? Are you on her? I see the emails. So when you give something to them, what is the next step? So when you go on to, here, let's look at it together. So when you send them up, I know. So they don't, like, control the city, they do control the city. They're the communications department from the city. They manage communication. All communication. All messaging. How something is sent. If it's in, if it's in, AP style versus whatever style, they edit you. You know, if it's the city department. Yeah. So sometimes how I get into the times call and those that are my press releases, which I send myself, but I can also send them to them and they can send it beyond right? Oops. No, no. No, no, no, no. And I'm not trying to get frustrated beyond how it's already frustrating. It's just a frustrating thing. Let's see. Here it is. There's some of it of all of it. There's like 15. We're not the most important member around. I know. And I would say that to anybody who ever asked me. Yeah. Well, anyway, there's all kinds of questions that they ask you. I have a legal start form, but I don't have the new comps. So whatever I maybe do, I wasn't clear of the response you did from what I expected. So what I'm saying is I have to talk to the idea of the answers. That's fine, but I can talk to where all the ways you can help us. And I'm just going to say again, if the board and the commission has a question for the city, I'm the liaison for the city and it needs to go through me. I can ask the questions. If you want to give me the questions you have, I can give them.  Or, you know, so liaison for the commission, if there's a question or what not we're concerned, I think, oh, here it is. It needs to come from the body. And I'm happy to communicate that over of what it is. So here it is. Here's their new share and here's your explorer, your comms resources. So here's your guides and how you get editorial. Your editorial guide. Here's your documents and your license photos and then you can go into tell us what you need, crafting your message, developing, you know, how do you want to talk with the community? So, aside from taking what programs we have and what content we have and putting it through the ways we've previously discussed, if there's any other way that I want to talk with the community, this is how I have to do it, right? And so then I can even go in and check on my requests and see, like here's the recent tasks that I did for this month of I want an e-notification I need a list of press contacts so I can send my press release. So, I have these ones. I need the list for my other ones. I need help creating, oh here I need the sign for the bear that's going to be engaged soon and I need it in Spanish and English and I need it quick and I need to know what you, the city wanted to say because if I say, hey if you have questions come and ask me it's just about the bear. People are going to come and ask me about the development and what's going up there and why are they taking down that mural and whatever and I want to be the central point of contact for that so then that messaging needs to go through the city. Does that make sense? So, any of the messaging that I'm sending out through our email or our Facebook or our brother is very our public place is specific always, right? Anything that is bigger and you want that I'm sorry, I don't mean to be pressuring, but it is a pressuring. Let's try. So, um I'm not being very cool with you but I wanted for you to know that. You're kind of saying like how come we don't want to do that so how come we don't know that we're going to be doing all the artists and we want to know what join us Yes, amazing. So people are going to know that. I think that personally, all day we're talking about you know what do you know how to do it your way? I would raise that at this point. I'm not joking. Really, no one would say such a thing to you. But I know it is because it's my job. It would be to be qualified for all of this. They are. We're going to fill out or sometimes they totally plus my inbox and we would be in the audience. And that happens too. And that's totally fine. So, after I have this box I can be a long hauler. I love you. Have you not been here before? Yes. Well, I did have fun. There's some teenagers who are very curious. I think one of the things we might need to help and talk to you about this as well is how to become a shop heart video like a training video of how you make a scale box and the application and this is how you fill it out. I answer a lot of those questions too. Where do I get my box? Do we get a team? We get a scale model and I use called important things so why don't we make our own? We can idea for days. There's plenty to do but where are we utilizing and exercising our best ideas in the rest of the ocean? I did tell you that here's what you want to think about because people in the distance want to have bright colors and some of them and you want to think about building a box because looking how well-off these parents can have a box to show up I did tell you what they want to think about as they're defined and that's how you get the most people who are just that one person. So we're ten minutes over and we're done with the video. Thank you for your forgiveness and grace. Thank you for your... I'm a Leo. She's been pretty tell right? I know! Thank you. Is that good? Yeah. All right. Take food! Thank you.