from district one office is going to talk to us about CCRs, what that means, how they get through the process and what two very important CCRs are going on right now. I'm Barbara LeHal and I'm with tier one and I don't know if y'all know this but the unified development code changed in 2000, it was a big change, it changed a lot of zoning. 2020 will be the next time when that happens but in the meantime there are all these issues that are happening and so the only way to do that is through CCRs. So we wanted to let y'all be aware of that and what CCRs are important because CCRs will tell you that basically it's for, even though one council person might have started, it has to be voted on by all council people. So I'll turn it over to Chrissy. Thank you for being here Chrissy. We have a few more people coming in. Oh we have one more to answer. We have to do with questions. We gave you some cards when you came in. And if you have your questions already written out, you'll pass them over this place. I'll start to collect them and then after this your son will give you another opportunity to write out questions. So if you need more cards, I'll have them. You need one? Alright, thank you Chrissy. Alright, good morning everyone. So I am also an educator so feel free at any point. It's something I say or a term or anything like that doesn't make sense to you to just raise your hand and I will gladly clarify that. But any content, these questions or more information to expand on the presentation will lead to the cards and then we can start to answer them also when the councilman will be here in just a little while. So what I'm going to do is before the councilman gets here just to give you a little background information on what we're doing, what the processes are, what the terminology is so that we can just have that discussion when we arrive. So we currently have a lot of CCRs. In fact, we all think it may have been for being the district office that filed the most CCRs in the history of council although I think broadcast might beat us in this term.  So the first thing that has to happen is the council member has to identify a large scale improvement or process. And so it can't be, oh, you know, this wording is wrong. It has to be something that needs to be a much larger project that has to be looked at. And then we draft what's called a CCR or a memo that outlines this is what it is. This is why we've noticed it and what the background is. And this is what we're directing staff, city staff to do in order to resolve that. Then we take that memo and we have to get four additional council members to sign. Now, some exceptions do happen. CCR stands for Council Consideration Request. And so we get an additional four council members. There are exceptions to this. One exception was our IDVCCR, which because we co-sponsored with Councilman Marina, we only needed three additional signatures. You always have to have five total. And you can never exceed five because once you have six, that's a quorum and would mean a full council majority approval for that. And so that's why they chose the five for that. Yeah, IDVCCR. Infill Development Zone. And I am going to get to that later in the presentation in more detail. Once that happens and we file it with the city clerk's office, depending on the type of CCR, it goes through a different process. About 90% of CCRs go to the government committee of council, which is headed by the mayor, the mayor's committee, and has four other council members on it. They review the CCRs and staff only for recommendation of, we've read it. This is what we think we can move forward. Governments can choose to either vote it down to say, no, this is not something we want to move forward with or to move it forward in many ways. Most often, especially with development-based CCRs, we go to a task force. But they can also go to a council, another council committee. So for example, our historic demolitions went to the arts and historic committee because it was the most appropriate to that category. Saldana's research-based transportation, CCR, that asks the staff to research different ways of building streets and different soil specificity underneath of that street, went to the transportation committee because it's an appropriate place for that to be discussed further. Can I ask a question in the committee's government and the other committees? What are they? So the every mayor creates what they feel are the committee's most appropriate to the city's processes. And so when we have the mayor turn over, the committee's also changed. And so Councilman Trevino used to be the chair of neighborhood sustainability, which oversaw a lot of the development-based CCRs, but also like Pre-K for SA and quality of life-based issues. That committee no longer exists. He is now the chair of the Arts and Culture Committee. And then they also created the Comprehensive Plan Committee, the Intergovernmental Affairs, transportation, health and equity. But there's always a governance committee, and it's just based on what the issues are that the mayor feels are most appropriate. And so that's where 90% of CCRs will follow, and then eventually they'll go back to full council for a vote. However, there are exceptions in that 10%. One exception is any zoning change, including large area rezoning, because any zoning change follows the same process you would have to follow if you were doing any other zoning effort. And so what has to happen first is it goes to full council in order for council to say we want to be the applicant of the zoning change. Then it follows the zoning process to zoning commission planning commission and council. So those are just some examples of how they move forward.  So it could be research for process improvement and out of cycle code update, a rezoning, new programs and departments, creation of a commission or committee, new ordinances, funding allocation or pilot programs. All of these things can happen on cycle. So for example, when the budget cycle happens, council members can say we want funding for this, but if it's out of cycle and it needs to be on the agenda at a time when it's not normally on the agenda, this is the only way a council member can get something added to the city council agenda experience CCR. These are just an example of some of the CCRs that we have filed to give you some specific examples. So we have our Spanish language translation services CCR, then historic demolition policy improvements, which we've had two of, the planning commission representation, building standards for revitalization, both of us to Andy Cahill on CC updates, free speech policy update, neighborhood notification for permits, animal safety and tethering ordinance, and the ethics code advocacy and integrity. So these are all within the past two years. We've had several more, but these are five of our active development based CCRs that we are currently working on in the council office that are active and live right now. We have a large area rezoning, which we're going to talk a little bit about in a bit. We have the IDZ policy update, the MF33 RM4 policy revision, which we'll also talk about a little bit further. The senior living centers, health and quality CCR, and then the demolition restrictions for historic districts and NCDs. And then of course the ultra-vista NCD update is also happening right now. So these are examples of ones that we're currently working on. So let's talk about the large area rezoning. First, before I start this, are there any questions about what a CCR is? What is that about where it's lining up on some of my final ones? Any other questions? Those current ones, we, you know, three months from now we wanted to know where they are. So in case we can find out what it was. So I have created a status update document, which I have been sending out. And on it, it has sort of what the goal is, what the intent is of those five. And then it has the status of where is it in the council community process. It has, it looks like a rainbow, a lot of colors on it. The last time we sent it out was last week, so it's fairly new. And then if anybody ever wants that, I did, I'll put my email back up at the end. I don't spend a lot of time with my desk. And those who've tried to leave voicemail for me know that I'm out working, doing things. And so sending me an email, I will usually give back to you very, very quickly. Any other questions? So can you just, I saw, I didn't count the time. Was that a question last time? No. Okay. So any of these are there out there right now? Specifically, I don't know. I know we have 11. They're, like I said, we write a lot. But when we see an issue, we want to resolve that issue. And there's a lot of, you know, we will get pushed back from staff. And that's just being honest. When staff come and say, no, this is the way we're doing it, this is why. And we do push back on that. There have been two that I know that I have drafted. And I think also, and we did not file because we realized, oh, there's a process coming up. Or, you know, oh, we could resolve it in this way. This group, too, has one going right. One, two can have it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there are a lot. And so they go through government. If you Google search, you can type in, like, Humphill Consideration Request. You can view the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, I have a question about, how do we know what committees that need to go to the board to do that? You know, and in fact, oftentimes we don't know until it goes to your government. So, typically, when you get to governance, that's when they decide these are the committees that it's going to go to. We had an example just on Wednesday at the special governance committee where they, there was one CCR that was supposed to go back to these sessions for full council consideration. They said, no, we wanted to go to help inequities first before coming back. So, that's something that governance committees can change or alter or decide. Staff's recommendation is usually what we go with, but there's really no way to know. And then you could have a chair of one of those committees say, I want to look at this. So, if we're working on something in transportation, like an NCO project that relates to the corridor, well, then we can say, well, that relates to that confidence. So, Councilman Gonzales can pull it over to her community as well. So, there really isn't, unfortunately, really, to engage that. Yes. Is there a time limitation for the CCR to get to them? No. And in fact, I'm going to kind of get to that as we talked about the process, but I guess an important point to make is, as a council office, we have filed a lot of CCRs, but we have to be very... We have to consider what the biggest issues are because we are always on that time limit because they will... So, for example, if we do two policy updates, two UDC updates, which we have to, and RM4, MS33, and the IEV, they will staff them because it's the same staff working on them. And so, it's not until the task force with the IDC task force and the short-term rentals start to wrap up that we're doing that they're even going to start rewriting the RM4. And so, if we were to do another one right now, it wouldn't get done until that 2020, it most likely goes through council until that 2020 updates. We're talking about two years at that point. And so, we kind of have to think, what is our priority issues and what needs to be handled right now because everything else is going to happen in two years anyway. And so, when we chose our UDC updates, we picked the two that were causing the most issues so that we could resolve them now or relatively now. I mean, they take about a year. And if we were to staff any more, it would actually take longer than the traditional process. And so, it would be not effective to do that. All right. So, the large area of rezoning is one that we're working on right now. So, our goals with this is to change the properties to match the current use. And many of you are very familiar with areas in your neighborhood where the zoning does not match the current use. This could be an example of a corridor, I don't know if anybody's here from the west side, if anybody's here from the west side area. That is one that I think is textbook in that the corridor is industrial. If you go down Zarsimora, it's either a vacant building or it's an auto repair store because it's the only businesses that could go in there. And everything else is vacant. And that's just not a community that has $1,400 for zoning change. And so, that's something that we can do as part of a larger area of rezoning. Now, we cannot sponsor another state law. So, we can't say, you know, if the area starts to get too small or too specific or pointing out specific parcels, that's called spot zoning. We can't do that at state law, but we can say this is a large area that has increased the zoning and we're going to map that out. So, there were areas that we would have lied to as included, but because of the number of parcels that were miszoned, it would have been spot zoning and we were not able to include those areas. However, I do know that the Midtown area, who we looked at at very soon was the planning process this year where the rest of our district is even near four or five. And so, we wanted to look at those areas now. We're not doing it without property under consent. This is very important. This was, I would say, fundamental to the four other council members who signed our CCR in the first place. So, we just would not have gotten the support to do this if we didn't need to maintain that. Because that is more or less the policy for almost every other council member because they know I'm not raising a property without property under consent. Yes. Even though that's what happened before, you didn't have property under consent or any reason why it didn't end up like this. Yes, and I agree with you. But that is an issue. Yes. But those all were also different council members. I knew council members, the old council, who would have said, no, just go ahead and down or up so many places. Especially as we move into SA tomorrow, there are a lot of council members who struggle to understand the issues in the inner city because they don't deal with them, right? They're not aware of what's going on. And so, they're like, what's wrong with multifamily zoning? I don't know why are you doing this? And it's like, well, councilman, who lives like way up there, these are the issues that we're facing. Well, that sounds ridiculous. I see it every day. So it's not ridiculous. And so, there are many council members, especially as we talk about SA tomorrow, who do see the inner city as like, testament, testament, and not really understanding the implications that come out of that because they don't work on those issues. So, but there are many options for appropriate zoning. And this is important. I talked to a lot of property owners and joining Garcia, he has been very wonderful for this. And I have gotten a lot of phone calls from your neighbors, just asking, you know, well, what is the rezoning? What could you put on my property? And you've had those conversations already about well, what's on your property? Well, I have a duplex. Is it a rental duplex? Or do you live there? Well, it's a rental duplex. Okay. So it's a rental duplex and we currently zone MF 33. So under MF 33 zoning, what's the size of your lot? Okay. So you're allowed four units by right and you do not have a homestead task exemption. So guess what you're paying taxes on those two additional units, whether you have them or not. And so it would make more sense for you to change your zoning to RM6, which is a duplex designation. And that is much more appropriate than the MF 33 for that community as well. And so talking with these property owners, you know, you start to figure out what are the, what is it that they really want to do? What is it that they're doing now and talking the balance that out? And so it doesn't have to just be, you know, R6 or MF 33. There's a lot of things in between what it's a condition to use or, you know, different applications. Sure. So you're saying if someone, you know, MF 33 and their house, they just have a single family, a house on their baby and an accessory to a lot of new structure, that they're paying more taxes on that? Do they live in it? Yes. And no. That's a homestead exemption. If they don't live in it though, if it is somebody's rental house, then yes, they are. And that's important to know. And I confirmed that with VCA, we have a very long discussion about that because they're texting people at the highest possible use of that property. And at the highest possible use and density, a lot of them are by laws, four units and they only have one or two and they're still being taxed for those additional units. So just to be clear, your office, part has to be, it's not to be done. So you guys have to go and probably know this. What's that? Well, so, typically we would like it to be DSP, right? If we've all worked with city staff. Well, Florida doesn't always happen the way that it should. Also, I'm going to be very honest, because that's just however, right? You know, when we filed this and we sat down with the city manager staff, I've gotten what's said in the Ivi about Sanchez. And he said, you know you're doing this, right? If you want this done, you're doing it. And he said, I know. So, you know, this will be conversations that we will have, but with the assistance of the county management and DSP staff, absolutely. But this will be a community and a different process. And then the why the answer is, why are these properties mixed up? Well, the answer is post-conversion. Especially the west side, they just made it double J, everything double J. And a lot of that was probably social justice issues for them. Getting into that. And so, in the old period system, if you were double J, which is at the bottom, you can have everything from the top down. So A, being single family, or some of ours, and then B, being multi-family, and C being commercial, and you don't have that one memorized. But you kind of get the gist of it that if you were double J, you could build a single family neighborhood, or you could build an industrial park. And many people opted to build a single family neighborhood, but the double J zoning was still there. So when they translated the code to the new zoning, now we have I2 in our single family residential neighborhoods in places. And so that is an issue, because they can't pull permits to improve their property. They cannot do the improvements that need to be there. If the house 200-bit burns down or needs to be demolished for some reason, they can't rebuild. It becomes a vacant lot. And so you're starting to see on the left side there's all of these vacant lots that are just occurring and occurring and occurring, and people are buying them up. And what they're going to do, we don't know. I mean, they could use almost anything. And so that is a conversation I've had with that neighborhood. And they just want their corridor back. They want the businesses. They want these types of things that everybody has. I know there's some industrial in River Road that we're looking at. I don't know how people get into this, but there is some industrial in Beacon Hill as well, but I don't think that's product of Toy's Diversion or anything like that. It just needs to be their frontage road. But those are the types of niches that we're looking at. And then, of course, on that 33. There's lots and lots and lots and lots of them at 33 in the neighborhood. Ha! This is my chart. This is shared on the Internet. So if anybody would like to have it. So this is going to be our process. So the question, does the zoning match the current use? If the answer is yes, then does all of the national land use plan and if the answer is yes, then we'll keep the zoning the way it is. There's no reason to change it. Does it match? You can kind of see. But ultimately, what we're looking at with difficult parcels is going to be here. So we're going to work with the property in our ant community to find the best solution. And there are a lot of options in our zoning code, where, again, it doesn't always have to be this or this. It could be something in the middle, whether it's a mutually used, whether it's, you know, some sort of mixed zoning. I have been advocating for the benefits of IDD recently because it is create your own zoning. And the hands of the developer would not be the best intentions. Yes, that can be a very intimidating thing. But in the hands of the neighborhood, and I know what you're trying to say, because in the hands of the neighborhood, we say, well, we want this, and we don't want all of this zoning, but we want some of this, and we like this about this, then you can also create your own zoning. It is a tool available to you, as well, to use. And I would encourage you to do that when we're looking at, you know, well, this property is kind of an exception to us. Well, how do we find the zoning that match? Well, let's make one that the neighborhood and the property owner agree on. So yeah, this is everywhere. So I had to create this in order to have a process and a policy of how we're going to do this to help avoid that issue of spots.  So the question is, I need to be, and they have to do, it's my understanding that if the zoning is large and there are 3,000 or 5,000 feet, that they can have, I mean, that will be lower, like we can see, maybe they're commercial. Is there any discussion between what you need to see to remove the requirement of the square footed people to do this? No. And I understand what you're asking. So IDZ is the only, like if you have a property that's zoned R3, but it's not 3,000 square feet and you want to build a single family property on their house, IDZ is the only option. And so IDZ is a lot, minimum is 12,000 square feet and then you can put just about any huge zoning. It's not exactly close to me. Well, for example, I have a property that's going in, it is already a commercial property, but they want to change it to IDZ and have an excuse and they wanted to have a bar in it, which is one of the main bars, but they cannot have it be in C or in my family with use of a bar because the square footed is, you know, ginormous. It's going to be like 20,000 square feet of something. And so the city, well, you know, you can't, you can't have it because of the square footed. You know, it's inconsistent and I think that's the problem is because there are times when they let that go and then there are times when they don't. What they're saying is that if you say use is permitted in any C, you are applying that zoning designation. But because square footed is almost one of the main reasons why we have IDZ, that doesn't make sense. And I don't even think that's happening. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Because that's the point of IDZ is to find smaller blocks and be able to use them. And allow one of these. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. We're kind of trying to get a lot of that. We're not commissioning it yet. And so, I think getting these things in writing and that's part of why we have the Task Force and to do a lot of that will be very beneficial. Any other questions? All right. So where is this the MF33 RM4. So once you're governance on Wednesday it's going to be created into a Task Force And it will follow the IDZ Task Force timeline. So essentially it's going to be back to the same as IDZ and torture rental in that we will have a task force with the general meeting for every adjacent task force meeting so that you are able to follow along with what's being discussed in the evening for those who didn't work during the day. And then, but we can't start that process in the torture rental time for an IDZ searcher to wrap up. So in the meantime we'll be working on the large area of rezoning because if you don't have this zoning on your property then you don't have to worry about the problems that might come out of zoning. And so that's kind of where our focus is. We were hoping to not have to do a separate CCR process. But unfortunately they followed different CCR processes we did actually have. So that was something like that. This is why we filed a CCR about MF33 and RM4. So two years ago, and I don't know how or why or what happened or who suggested it or what the details are of this but I do know that three years ago in 2015 they changed the code for RM4. The previous code said that you could have one unit per every 4,000 square feet for units. What they changed it to is you could have up to four units on 4,000 square feet. So we had a 4,000 square foot lock. The previous zoning said that you have 4,000 square feet, you can have one unit. If you had 16,000 square feet you could have four units. But if you had 17,000 square feet you could still only have four units. So only four units were allowed per every 4,000 square feet in RM6. It was the same thing but for every 6,000 square feet. What they changed it to is that you could have four units on a lock that is 4,000 square feet. So what they did is this is what they hoped to accomplish. This is a half acre. The numbers here are based on a half acre. And so if you had a property that was zone MF33 and it's a half acre you could have 16.5 units. If you had a property that was zone MF18 you could have nine units. RM4 was only four units and always four units. Or a single family of course you could have the one unit. What they changed it to is what many of you know and are aware of and these are the issues that we're working on is this. Which the size of a standard city lock now says that you can still have four units in RM4. But in RM33 you could only have three units on a 4,000 and 5,000 square foot lock. And so the equivalent of that is on a 4,000 square foot lock it's MF50 and on a 5,000 square foot lock it's MF40. But the zoning designation is still considered as many of you know to be a low to medium density housing designation. And so this is why we're working on this issue. And it's because we have recognized this and we know that it's a problem and the council and I are working very hard to make sure the other council members are aware that this is the issue because no one would ever approve an MF50 in the middle of a block. And yet it's there. And so what can we do about it? And so that's kind of why we filed this CCR and many of you like I said are aware of this and we're working on it and hopefully we'll be able to do it. So the IDZ revision is really quick. The general meetings are 6th to 7th 30th. On October 9th we have one. November 7th is the 9th one so that is just coming Tuesday. December 5th and February 6th. And then it does have its own website if you go here. You can again just Google search IDZCPR update and it'll come up right here to that website that will have all of those things on there for you. So the question is what are the next steps? How can you get involved as a community member who cares about these things? Well our larger rezoning is going to city council for initiation. So remember when we talked about the process for that. It has to go to council first for city council to accept yes we are the applicant for this larger rezoning. So that will happen on November 9th. There are two opportunities to come speak for that. The first is on November 8th at 6 p.m. at Citizens To Be Heard. And the second will be in the morning at 9 a.m. which is also Citizens To Be Heard. And it's item 21 on that agenda so if anybody wants to sign up for that it will be there. What we are asking for is that we know that there is some opposition to this. And we feel it is important for our fellow council's offices to hear the support and the reasons for that support and the reasons why we're doing this. Because they will most likely also be hearing that opposition and we can sign this instrument. Could you give us some specific arguments to counter their specific arguments to the opposition? So that's a tricky question because what you're asking me to do is to say what should I say to you to convince you to vote for this item. Well I can give you facts. I can give you information. I can answer your questions. I will give you documents all day that illustrate what these issues are. But ultimately it's your voices that we want to hear. It's what have you been experiencing. What are the issues that you have seen in your community that cause a need for this type of thing. And so that's kind of the strong and odd interest that I know. Yes. I think that what I'm hearing is the community is enabled with involvement in this process. For me that's the most important thing. Because in past years we have not been asked. We have not been invited to the table as stakeholders. And right now I feel that in the last 100 years of our mayor the decisive support of the initiatives that we're doing, especially as we're one has been pushing forward on a change policy. So I'm hearing correctly my mom that the CCR is a process that we can be further involved in before any action is taken. Yes. The nice thing about what we try with CCR is it does give us some level of control over how that then moves forward. Because we still know that this is our CCR. We want to make sure there are excellent meetings. So that the community is involved in this way. Or let's have a task force and have these community members on the task force representing it. So it's not just a city process behind closed doors. We updated, here you go, council, take a look at this. So that it becomes more of that open amount in the public type of thing. And that's exactly why we chose to do the larger, resounding attitude to our values and leading to the active tomorrow process to kind of catch up to these areas. And then of course the IDT task force. Don't forget that. All right, thank you very much. Don't stand, though. Because I'd like to introduce Benjamin Trevino. We all know him. I'm glad he's here today. If you have any questions, please pass through. We'll turn things over this way, and I'll get you to the council. Any questions you have? If you need a card, we've got more. But please pass your questions over. Well, I think you all can see why Christy is our team. She's an amazing job. Really, really excited. I just want to reiterate absolutely why we're doing this because we really want to tackle this issue with the neighborhoods, with the community together. Really, we've been talking with other council members who are supportive. Christy's done a great job of talking to the other council members, staff as well, and city staff to make sure that we're tackling some of these right away with council support and mayor support as well. So we will be moving with the neighborhood. So any questions? Yeah. Oh. Do you have more questions? I am combining. So how will regional planning impact zoning? So that's a great question. One of the reasons we're doing this, too, is because as we're moving along and we know this became an issue with, I'd say, tomorrow, which areas we're planning for planning. Timing is critical as well. One of the reasons we're doing this now is because we need to tackle this. It's happening to us now. And so we know we say, well, we have that in the works, and we're going to get to that plan at a certain point. But it may not come at a timely manner. So what I can say is we're working in concert with Essay tomorrow, but we're moving things along at a more rapid pace because it's happening to these areas a lot sooner than other areas. And certainly we'll be working as well with all aspects of the Essay tomorrow plan, including, recently, we've dealt with the issue of the corridor plan, which we know is somewhat ambiguous and best. You're trying to look at me. Yeah, we'll talk about that. But please note, we heard you and we slowed it down and there is no need to, in some cases, when we want to write to a good plan, we want to take our time with that when there's issues that require a timely response, we want to get to that as well. So thank you, great question. Okay, can the city lawyers provide a written explanation of why the owner-occupied short-term rentals are not subject to the existing B&B ordinance? Yeah, this has been coming up, and I think we can, we definitely want to tackle this. I think that this is an important aspect. I know, I just got several calls already about some concerns about how this is being used to really, really push more. In fact, the analogy that was used was a lot of these homes, investment homes that are used that they are meant to be, feel a lot like vacant homes and don't have to be by the team character of a neighbor. So we hear you on that. We want to have a workable solution for everybody and think that this is going to be something that is going to be very, very important. We take a look at all aspects of how we regulate this particular industry. We'll be stepping into that. So I think we can provide that explanation through the lawyers, but we also want to create policy to really help to address some of the issues that I know a lot of neighborhoods, tier one coalition, but others that we're hearing throughout the entire city are also having an issue of this very problem. How can the large area rezoning go beyond being one? The need to change the U.B.C. back on board is an urgent, great question. You know, I think one of the things that we're trying to do is create an example of what needs to happen. And certainly, I think we welcome this idea that if it goes beyond district one, we welcome that. In fact, I just had a meeting with several folks at UTSA, downtown campus, and that's district five, for example. We know there's going to be some issues with regards to some of that zoning in that area there would be the way we overlap. Zoning is something that a lot of districts face, and I think we can set a great example. We're hoping to expand it, but that'll be through the process. I think we're already seeing there's some interest in doing so. Of course, I can see that we have a representative from... He's hiding, I know, but, you know, it's great to see. I mean, I come from, of course, district seven, so I mean, I think that this is going to be something that we definitely think if it's good for district one, it's good for the city. Well, we can only file rezonings in our district, and so you really want to be working with your council members in the community. Right, but know that we absolutely are willing to collaborate on this very thing to go into other districts. We have been talking to those council members, and they're looking into this as something potential, how they can go into their district as well. So we welcome that. Second dwelling on same lot for family extension, it's allowed. So can you have a second dwelling on a lot? I don't have a lot. Yeah, I think that needs to be allowed again. In Hawaii, we have what we call a lot, which is if it's a four acre, you can put a second dwelling on it. And this is the extension of all of that, and it does all the limited resources in the lands. I believe that the case, if it's owner occupied, owner occupied, yes. So that's the immediate answer on that, and on all the areas. For any, yes. How can any stop inappropriate use of IDZ in residential areas? Well, first IDZ must be a zoning change, and so we've been working very hard to really understand the proper use of IDZ and how we can also help to create more information as somebody is trying to get the zoning change to IDZ. Right now, there's not much information, so it's very difficult for anybody to understand. This is really kind of in line with what we did with the plan review notification right now or before. We would only find out about something coming up because there was a permit that was pulled. By that time, it's really very difficult to do something, but now we get notification of a plan review, which is really great because that's when we can really start to tackle things and start to work with the very people that are doing something and the city to try to address this very issue. And I think that what we're doing with IDZ is very similar. We want to know what's going on. We want to provide more information than quite frankly. If somebody is going to ask for IDZ, they really should specify exactly why they're wanting that IDZ designation. City of San Antonio is doing its first chemical-free landscape at Lackland Gateway Corridor, has the Transportation Committee discussed sustainable soil policy? You know my topic, right? Yes, but it's focused on FPO, which is due December 4th. I know you're a great advocate on that and I certainly appreciate that. I think we're doing a lot of things to be more environmentally conscious about how we're affecting the environment, the landscape. Of course, you know, we went to a very different kind of asphalt overlay where anything that can affect, run off and create potential issues because the chemicals that we're using in our environment is critical. I don't sit on the Transportation Committee, but that's my understanding. Do you know that Carol Workichowski has this protocol, the non-chemical protocol in your design standards? So Carol Workichowski is our city architect and thank you for saying that. Alright, next question. How did you decide which areas to rezone? Why aren't all incompatible areas re-zoned? Well, again, I mean part of it is we are looking at all large areas as part of the task force system to try to help identify what are we leaving out. I think this is really critical where some of these pressures are and where some of these corrections can be made. So we're happy to talk to you about that as well. I think we're trying to cover as much as we can. As Tracy has said, we filed it within the District 1 boundaries. We welcome extending that even further with the cooperation of other council members. Within District 1, we do have to be cognizant of SPOTZOM and so we do know that there are individual parcels here and there within other areas but at SPOTZOM, I mean, there's certain abilities there. If MS-33, R and 4C syrup has council on them, right, when will it go into effect? Well, again, we created the task force or we approved the use of the task force this last week actually, this last week? Yeah, the task force, yeah. Yeah, this last Wednesday. And so it'll go into task force so that we can really begin that discussion and as far as when it takes into effect, we want to make sure that we've been very inclusive of the neighborhoods and have a broad discussion about that policy. Understanding when that goes into effect is the information to be back from the task force and we'll set that up as soon as possible. What's the initial name of that task force? We haven't given it a name, but I mean, we'll just... We'll go with multifamily. Multifamily task force. We haven't given it a name. Who would be the members of that? Well, so we don't know. Oh, you don't, right? Yeah. What we did is we just approved taking the next step. And so there will be neighborhood representative on that. Probably what we did with IDZ is those neighborhoods that had the highest percentage of IDZ cases in the last couple years were the neighborhood representatives on that task force. So probably these ones. What options do homeowners have if their neighbor has requested to have a telephone CPS poll move to their shared property line but the new poll placement will harm an existing matured tree. The city arborist doesn't seem to be on the same page as CPS. Yeah, you know, this happens a lot. Of course, you know, a more common thing is when we see a poll right in the middle of a brand new sidewalk. It's coordination, collaboration is key here. Please let us know. We'd like to know what the address is and we'll certainly work with the city arborist on this and CPS. So we have a direct line to CPS to try to understand, you know, how we should be tackling this. Of course, we need to be protecting our trees. And one of the things I've been very proud of is that we initiated something very different. It's in the budget this year and it all came because of that tornado that hit the northern part of the district. And we created a tree pond and that tree pond helped to plant 300 plus trees in that neighborhood. But this year in the budget we also expanded that and we have nearly 13,000 trees that will be planted throughout the city. So we definitely want to protect trees and know that they're very, very beneficial to the quality of life of every neighborhood. We'd like to know more about this so we can try to coordinate that. How aware or where do we find out if there is a CCR in our neighborhood? Well, we typically, the CCRs aren't necessarily driven by any one spot. CCR is what I think are, I don't think, CCR, what I can tell you is that they're driven by, I think, what we think is the need for the city or in a kind of large area. The best thing we can do, we try to do everything we can in our own newsletter, working with us.  So you can monitor every CCR that comes up. Generally, we do the best we can to put that in our newsletter, communicate the best we can to the very people that it's going to affect as we're doing right now. So that's really critical in this. Of course, if you have ideas, we definitely want to hear about some of those issues that you might have and how we can help to create policies. Sometimes, now here's the thing, you hear the word CCR?  There's really three ways that a council looks at votes. And that's, or looks at an item to vote on. And the city manager is basically one of those instruments. So the city manager and her staff brings to council something for us to vote on. And that's one way. The second way is the mayor can also put something on the agenda. Third way is a CCR because the mayor and city manager, they have that authority to put something on the agenda. A CCR is, you need five signatures of council members to bring out a policy discussion. And so that goes to governance. It decides whether it goes to a full city council vote right away or to a committee for further discussion. I could give a whole piece of that. Okay, that's a good thing. All right. The other point I wanted to make, too, though, is that what's critical about that is that I want to also point out that sometimes there's issues that we can address administratively. It doesn't necessarily require CCR. CCR can take a while to process. So it depends on the very issue that you might have. We can tackle administratively. As an example, the plan review notification was an administrative change, not a CCR, but that came from us. We simply said, look, what we want is notification well before there's a permit issue and we already have the tools in place to do that. In fact, a lot of it is already automated. It's becoming more and more automated. So working with development services, we got that administratively. It occurred pretty quickly. So those are some ways and some tools I think are very useful for all of us. That's all that we have. I know that we want to get to the essay corridor's discussion. We do have the learnedness movie views today as the councilman is going to head over there. And I'm going to stay here. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. I do want to point out, I think a lot of you are really taking interest in the vibrancy, the heritage and identity of our city. Valometham is really on its way to be revitalized. Before that, it's already, I think it's already a beautiful theater. What we've done is we have a movie in the park that we utilized. We moved it indoors to the Alameda. This is just an opportunity for the public to come take a quick look. Enjoy the movie if you like, but we're really trying to show off the theater. This is before any work is done. All we've done is cleaned it up. It's beautiful as it is. I know that there's going to be plans moving forward and I know you're going to want to be engaged in that. I know you're going to really want to learn more about this and we welcome that. We will be providing you more and more information because we want to do this with you. I think that the Alameda is going to be another great flagship project for the city. If you have time today, come out. We're showing three movies, McFarlane USA, Nosotros los Pobres and La Bamba. Then there's Dancing. It's from 11.30 to I think it was 6. How about 3 movies? It's so festival.  Come on out. Even if you just want to take a quick peek inside the theater, you'll be amazed. If you think the outside is beautiful, come take a look at the inside. It's just amazing and I think it's the kind of thing that you guys could appreciate. Thank you so much. I wanted to tell you also that someone got us a space today because space is always... It always happens but it takes efforts to do it. So thank you so much for that. We have coffee. I just want to thank the founder for being so proactive and trying to conserve our culture and our neighborhoods. I know that Diego had a hard time and he did what he could and I think he's taken it from there so I appreciate that because in the short time that I've been back to San Antonio for the nine years, I have seen such a transformation in downtown that I don't recognize anything downtown anymore and it's become a hit and a problem with density and so it needs to be to relieve that pressure and those things that people have talked about today is a welcome slide. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I want to add last month we had the third annual distinction in the arts awards and that is our own homegrown recognition for our local artists. We started the whole thing with zero dollars at the Carlos Alvarez Theater way back when I first got on council to recognize our own artists. Some of the first honorees that year was Flaco Jimenez, can you imagine? We never honored Flaco Jimenez. Vincent Manles who is just rocking with popularity. Every year there's no shortage of people to recognize that are doing some amazing things. What I can tell you is the hall the main hall this year it's always a wonderful event there's plenty of room just know that we're already starting the planning of next year's distinction in the arts which will be part of a tricentennial event and we want to make it bigger than ever we're going to invite all the past honorees and to your point it starts right there let's honor our own let's look at words like identity and authenticity instead of bland so speaking of density thank you very much for bringing that up the next thing is our panelists will move to the front then we will continue with our essay quarters now coffee and juice and water and back if anybody wants those so Christine welcome and Chrissy this essay quarters is a turn the essay quarters plan is something that the tier one coalition has identified it's in a draft form and if y'all remember if y'all will remember tier one actually coalesced and became a coalition essay comprehensive plan and so what we found is that there's a essay comprehensive plan there's the multimodal plan there's a sustainability plan and this is the quarter plan and what we found was that in the quarter plan there are a lot of elements that bring those other plans together and kind of firm up some of the things that we thought were important to talk about essay quarter plan is online and what it will do is sort of fuel in some of the land use proposals that the St. Hop plan has presented so we wanted to have a discussion about it our panelists are missing are you going to do a presentation first and then we're going to have it and so we had some other trying to bring this to you in a format that we can all understand because the draft is that big and there are a lot of things that we need to pay attention to because they affect us so we asked Dr. Brennan, Christine Brennan to help us understand it more and then we'll have a panel also afterwards thank you Dr. Brennan Christine and I am not the expert at all but when Barbara asked me to do stuff I do stuff so actually what this is it's kind of an outline of parts of this plan because it's for a lot of us getting to that document it's just odd so I'm hoping that this will be the kind of big picture that others direct your questions to others right so here we go excuse me the quarter plans which are actually tied to future land use maps that I guess staff and anybody in the know calls blooms right there are 12 of them and I'm going to get back to this but just so that you know there are some of the major transportation corridors that they're looking at for the plan oh sorry this will come up again this is just a start because how I want to organize here is like who, what, why, where, when these are the projections that they're trying to this is what's going to happen because they're always throwing at us that the new, I don't know, million people or whoever they are never, nobody, this is a this is a comment, I'm not making any this is not original thinking nobody's ever really taken the million for whatever and said who are they into what income brackets and all of these kinds of things we do know that more than half of them will be born right here and they may not be of the highest socioeconomic status because that's not what our demographics are doing right now, those families and that population is aging and families are very small so we do know that a lot of the projected growth is actually going to be in a very working class type of population that's going to need affordable housing so some of these capacities for employment increase are based on numbers of heads, not on who those heads are often then they're going to potential for increase in the market strength and then it's they're projecting into the future based and some of the question is what are these projections based on projected impact on equity, that's one of the big things I'm telling right now the corridor there's really plenty of questions so I'm going to talk a little bit more about this thank you so how can you decide the whole mile they're also broken into segments I can't kind of get to the fact that they don't follow just one street so there's different segments of them and actually they've been they've been analyzed at the segments so it's not just the economic capacity of this whole thing but it's by segments and that recognizes that the geography changes so dramatically most of them they originate in the city center and then they're going out just like any of the bus routes so the circumstances change dramatically so let's look at a couple of these there they are so there they are but it's what we would call a topologic map the geography is all wrong on it but they make it like a subway map it's pretty but it's not accurate so we actually here's another one and these are from their document and this is where it shows here's the half mile study areas that have been added to those again though what we've done and actually some members of some two or one members were able to come over one afternoon to my office and we play with mapping on some of these and so I'm going to show you some of what we did to try to understand what the impact these things really were going to be so here we're looking at Broadway with Broadway becoming becoming Austin Highway so there's just your area there's the corridor so this is what they're calling the Austin Highway Corridor point it out so this is again this is Austin Highway but here is Broadway all the way up until here Broadway becomes Austin Highway yeah Austin Highway yeah so so for some of us and again I don't know if it's intentional but for some of us when we hear Austin Highway we think we're not part of it but actually we know that these areas are enormous and heavily represented amongst us when we start to put the half mile buffer around this thing there we go again oh this is putting in some planning information half mile buffer now it gets interesting so this is not just about commercial corridors and it is about connectivity and now we're all going to move around when we're joined by the next million but when we do this all of a sudden we get deep deep into a lot of neighborhoods it's not just about commercial corridors and just connectivity anymore there's something else there's potentially something else that could happen in here because here we're deep into the neighborhoods off of Broadway which what does that mean others actually I think can probably answer that a lot better than I can and from what I understand it's the potential Christine just to help you that Austin Highway goes all the way out of the rolling old because it switches over to current Bible so it goes way out to rolling old but I didn't even map that part I did one day to see where it's focused closer in so what I'm doing here is really focusing closer in just because my own concerns are more in her city concerns so here's what you know here's again when we look at the Austin Highway corridor plus that half mile and a lot of you will recognize like here's Mankey Park the entire neighborhood is encapsulated into this corridor plan so there's a corridor plan overrides in the association oh no no, there's a work right now okay, thanks for hearing me remember this is a draft remember this is a draft this is a draft that's why we're doing this now so what's the intention yes, yes, yes so my point is to so my job is just to show us what this can do I want to see where her shows are on the screen I don't really map stuff so I'm showing what it looks like others are going to step in and say okay, there's the implications of all of this and there's some really good people in this room that can do this just a couple of the others okay, Fredericksburg Road again, trying to, so here's Fredericksburg Road coming up, here's where it's crossing this looks like yeah, this is crossing I-10 and then the they have one on each side these are thousands hundreds of thousands of houses with a variety of different uses a variety of different ages I'll be able to see a very, very different care of jurisdictions they're now included in these capital networks and again, I'm going to ask someone else to really try to understand the implications of what that means right on the west side so we're trying to get a little bit south where in seeing these are some of these areas I think that this is what you're talking about this variety these areas are so, so vulnerable these right in here the plots were very, very small when it was originally planted there's been many, like, horribly racist conditions but the thing is that some of the complications of that landscape itself are maybe what keep it a little bit stable because it's very, very difficult to do land assemblage and things like this because the ownership is all over the plots are different sizes and some people won't see that as a tragedy but I think also we should see it as a saving grace in some of these inner city neighborhoods that they're actually so complicated historically and in their geography these are really hard to get into right for development purposes so this is, you know these neighborhoods in here are the ones that I think we need to really talk about, well, all of them but these are just so vulnerable because these families and their population is so vulnerable we're right, there's Broadway again another map of Broadway just to say, so getting into these they also one of the other features each one of them has a plan and it lists the policy needs and the community acceptance of two elements in these four page plans and so things like on the Bandera corridor it says the corridor will serve neighborhoods with excellent street connectivity some of the language is like blah blah blah and the acceptance along the new brothels corridor development activity made price existing residents particularly renters out of these neighborhoods and so some of these although they've taken them and they've, I'm not sure the process is what a lot of us would perceive to be actually citywide concerns and citywide community acceptance I'm not sure what that means but we've broken them down and I'm not sure, I think we're much stronger if all of these neighborhoods actually come together and recognize we share so many different concerns rather than breaking them up like that and that's what it says here is that some of these concerns are common to all of these corridors and infrastructure concerns they repeat this thing about shallow commercial lots adjacent to deep residential lots that is a concern throughout the document the other many single family commercial development IDZ and all of these different kinds of zoning are coming into this, they're under evaluation that's one of these questions these are under serious evaluation right now can we just slow down the process which actually some of us have been successful at doing right now the timing additional concerns is that the timing of this, the status seems a little and the timing seems a little bit off we do have a new housing task force, we have the housing commission right now both of which are juggling with big housing questions incentive structure IDZ again referring to district one we're also thinking about I don't know if I'm going to say that but yeah what I mean by the incentive structure is a lot of people right now are really questioning the CCHIP and ICRIP and all of those kinds of things as far as protecting it downtown can we call it quits so there's a lot of things that are just moving forward at the same time the point of this was just to show you kind of the piece that this did I don't know if it's a word enormousness, enormity enormity, thank you yeah, giganticness of this and I'm going to I need to defer to others about the implications and the status thank you I'm very glad that Barbara asked Christina to do that because she can say I really want to ask a question should we get the panel down there now yeah well I think general one wants me to come over so yeah for questions so what I want to talk a little bit about is how these things are actually implemented it's important to know that the planning department has I don't want to say no authority they have very little authority to actually implement these plans their job is to come up with binders that we can go like this and flip through right and they look great and they're nice and they sit on their shelves and the planning department was responsible for your neighborhood plans and what happened to those I think would be a good example and so what what we can talk about I think is how and how this will be implemented is that you know DSD and TCI are really the two city departments that you should be paying attention to and so DSD when we talk about the land use plan we know that the reason why these are not parcel specific is because the reason why they're trying to write it now is that we have the planning teams for each of the plan of the team area and their goal is that in those planning teams that's when the parcel by parcel land use plans will be created and this document in the planning team's mind was created in the planning department's mind was created as a reference document for those planning teams to have a book of research because it's made up of people who are not city planners the problem and there are a lot of problems but as Christine mentioned city planning language and so if you're not a city planner and you aren't trained in these areas then you don't know why they would take a half mile radius and so now this consultant from out of town to come and write us the best practices document for a reference document for our planning teams that are made up of regular community individuals who understand the neighborhoods and the issues that are there and what we want in those neighborhoods but not this so what the councilman has done is he has drafted a formal letter to the planning department to ask them to do exactly that put this in context how will this be used how will it be implemented we heard you say it verbally yes this is a reference document but write it down make it part of the plan fix the language so that people can understand it we included the full council on this and so everyone else is aware but I've talked with three other council offices formally to their council members about exactly that and they feel the same way put it in layman's terms because of your community and your policy makers don't understand the policy and that's a problem so how can we take this draft that was created for us by a consultant and apply it to San Antonio in a way that is relevant to San Antonio and so that's kind of how it will be used so it sounds really scary to look at the half mile and put all that but that they only take the half mile because in city planning terms it's known that people are willing to travel or to walk a half mile to services and that's just sort of a working knowledge that in city planning you know and you understand people will walk a half mile so that's why they just blanket it but you're right we have our neighborhoods we have our industrial parts we have the creek ways that follow in the middle of that we have highways that intersect and people are crossing 281 and we get to be guaranteed there's no question of concern exactly and so that's exactly why there's that aid doctor and so that's exactly what we've asked them to do is it really that hard to add an introductory chapter that explains who, what, where, when, why and how yes and that it's concerning right and so we do put in writing and we're right there with you and so you know this, the councilman, our councilman and they can't speak for other council members if anybody else wants to speak for other council members it looks like that well no but they cannot be able to speak from now but if they're from other council districts they need to let their council members know that this will so our goal is that this will not leave the comprehensive planning committee until that language is in there and that's how hard is that right and then tell us about the council and the planning committee sure so that's the council subcommittee that was created for this specific type of thing it's Councilman Gonzalez's committee so she's the chair also on the committee is Councilman Shaw Councilman Thunderbolt Councilman Courage and then our councilman was that the fourth one yes that was on I was like the language you're holding that will be inserted will be more in terms of even though we mentioned the half mile corridor we don't really need that it's contextual oh there will be a half mile well so the important thing because there are areas where a half mile is appropriate especially outside of 410 and so to say no we don't need that what's needed is context and so to say this is a reference document of best practices to be available to the planning team and only the planning teams will have the authority to change the language plan but who said you don't understand me you are well that's not good but the neighborhood's right look at each area specifically to see is this appropriate and those will also need to practice the planning team in Council for approval so there's an opportunity there to slow it down and stop it and say no wait a minute go back to the drawing board the neighborhoods don't want this corridor here the neighborhoods don't want this land here this land you should not appropriate for this area then we can throw it back to them what could you just say what the reason for that is these are the how to traffic corridors those kind of the next session what is this page what's the purpose of it I'll just let you all know for the road project where the city is using federal funding and permit part of the national environment catching app NEVA does require a half mile on either side of the road project people going out looking at the historic houses archaeology, the animals all of that do have to determine if that project is going to have a negative impact on that so that might be another reason why they chose that half mile either side because it's not necessarily a negative thing but a positive thing to see what impact might occur so let's talk about what TCI is doing I work on land use but I also work on infrastructure I have a strong training background in engineering I was a project manager in New York for five years so I understand this so I work with TCI a lot and we sat down with this funder and this has been very important and this is something that there are a lot of corridors in there so I brought my binder and so I open it up and we start talking about funding because what this all is really about in the end is funding and who controls the per strength it's TCI and so when we talk about how is this really being implemented in the real world and how is it really going to impact what we're talking about funding projects that are affecting specifically so I'm going to use this example because I think this is a really good example I've already seen a lot of this sort of progress I was able as a policy maker to use the policy even though it's in draft form to say well wait a minute if our draft policy is for a half mile to be cohesive and I have bond projects on this transit station then why are these projects not working together and so this then becomes a tool for us as neighborhoods and as policy makers and as the voices of the community to say well wait a minute you said that we are going to fund this and so where are our sidewalk improvements where are our street improvements where are the crosswalks that we want where are the bond projects and why are these designers not working together and so that is how this sort of thing really in the city of San Antonio is used and implemented it's in that way because planning doesn't have money they don't have the ability to create and if they don't have the ability to create any policy other than a binder of suggestions it's TCI and ESC that actually do that and they are talking to planning so they don't really care what they're doing but what we can do is use this but that's a problem though that's what everybody in the city is saying I wasn't here the problem is that we are and we were and we were never involved and so there's no policy even on the community plan and the regional plan that you're doing right now the involvement of neighbors and the neighborhood team is lessen because neighborhoods don't know how to be involved in it's a critical thing if you go to these meetings and you see that the neighborhoods have dropped out and now you have the stakeholders the business is the city and except where you have the consultants who have been hired to work in those neighborhoods with the neighbors and there are some of those so I don't think it's really I mean if you look at this you see where it says IDV will be a small scale in the family neighborhood there are always things in here and I think that this is a draft and that's why I'm saying it's a draft because the planning department doesn't want to say it's a draft they think it's a done deal and they want to appreciate it but remember who's on that so if you're in any of those districts that those five people are in and that's El Daniel which is three four Shirley which is five Gonzalez who's been our most most advocate person of all in any of the planning department and what's the other one? Shine 2 and that's Shine 2 so if you're in one of those districts that's really important because it's the only way this got slowed down it was supposed to have been a true lesson so it's a really important thing to understand it and to say these things aren't right I don't believe it's just to throw it out there because if you go to planning right now or to zoning they will reference the step oh this ties in with the concept and if the housing test force last week it was very clear that this will too but they're going to say oh it's in the quarter plan so that's why this is so important and another step too so it's not just making it hurt making your voices heard for changes to address you're responding to the first part of that the reason why they will tell you there were no neighborhoods on this is because they wanted it to be a reference document of best practices and so they wanted it to be written by planning professionals that was the idea and it's a concept it's a good concept if you then have the language in there that says this is a reference document and not the final this is what we're doing but it's not only that that would give you a reference document unless it's possible for neighborhoods to actually use it themselves or to see how it would be then it doesn't help us then it just becomes a reference document then it just copies somebody and say well see this is approved and there are no people in the neighborhood who are actually involved in this situation the other thing is it's already between you if you go to zoning or planning and you have somebody that's coming with a request to change land views or change zoning their staff is part of their report will comment this is within a half mile of a regional center or traffic traffic portal when people go to speak in front of those commissions they can reference this and say well see it ties in to this new land view and so it's a good thing it is and sometimes it's a good thing so I'm going to just give an example of how it's being implemented so this is Fredericksburg for us and so there are five bond projects we have the San Pedro park there's the linear park in Beacon Hill the Fredericksburg road corridor the intersection here and then there's also the linear creekway project here and so all of those are currently being funded because of that half mile argument and so that you can use it then to give the pedestrian park improvements and road improvements that you want Fredericksburg corridor further up was just approved for a state grant for every business owner can apply for up to $25,000 worth of facelift improvements to change their signage their egress points any signage that they may have to direct traffic or anything like that and so for those businesses in the Deco district that have been wanting this sort of revitalization we were only able to apply to that grant because of this book because we have a draft that says this is where we want to focus money and so it is it's a double-edged sword and that's why I say just pay attention to how TTI and DSD are using it for the zoning instance DSD is using it for that density density, you know, build it, build more but then TTI is using it for sort of these other infrastructure improvements that are needed and so that's just an example of when we talk about what these plants are how they will be implemented that's another way that I think we forget about from BMC What about Fredericksburg Road that you're just talking about right now the book its reference is the 2016 study that was done with that study to be incorporated however it's not available to the public it's not online right now so recently we see the copy of the creation that's helpful on this thing my concern is that where I reside in the neighborhood which is my personal opinion I haven't resided in the store district but it was excluded from that study so to keep down the bullpen is it excluded from that study in terms of excluding the border ones? well and that's the thing because if you read the essay Tomorrow Comprehensive Plan it says that a historic district should be excluded from this and so that they should be preserved and not looked at for development and so yes, there's a lot of those contradicting things and that's where the context language that needs to be in there just to address San Antonio specific issues so if we're talking about a historic district if we're talking about a cultural or a music district or an art center how are those going to be treated differently and so that's part of the memo that comes from interviewing is that you'll put this in context and we actually reference this organization in the document that Cynthia created to say well our neighborhoods have to do it themselves because you're not doing it for them and they shouldn't have to try to scramble and ask Christine I shouldn't have to be here on a Saturday and you should all be home with your family you're at the Alameda watching me like that we shouldn't have to be here trying to sort through this because that's their job and they should be doing it but if you're talking about ITCI is using it the right way I think to get their funding and what they need but they have their own playing department but I asked them did you talk to them and they said no because we're talking about a project which is an industrial safety MPL project which has to be at least a million dollars so flat ground funding it's going to be a three million dollar project and this is state funding and we are applying for it on December 4 and so nutrition and I were talking about that and I said well you know it's a corridor right she said what's a corridor and you know I just you end up with these sort of conversations that just blow your mind about and to your whole point you know your departments don't know that CCRs are even in play so like CCRs are guarding ISD and CCRs are guarding MS-33 and you know large area where you're going they're not they have no idea they're in their little closet and first of for something I mean from a field of study practice if you are a city planner it makes sense that you look at things objectively in many times at some point you have to apply it so if you're saying hey we want to build a train to the corridor and we need funding for this light rail that's going to go in the median of this street and you know this is something that's really good of everybody and we need it and I think a lot of us would agree with that we do get tired of having to find a way to park downtown or to get around but at the same time you have to put things in context to be a good planner it's like they're the architects and CCRs and they're not talking to each other we need to discuss something about filming in there that they could override developers can override because you have the transit area yeah so I know that's in there so what? so they don't have the authority to do that the planning department does it and the GSD doesn't either have to go through council because the way the policy is written right now is only to be council to change the zoning amount of council and so anything has to go through council and that's why we had to do with CCR just to get something done we had to really learn this with the CCR too same thing even though OHP was the one who's revitalizing the building and CCR is paying for it we still had to do with CCR even though we're talking about only property so right now city council is the only people that really don't have that property yeah I think the plan is to sort of indicate that developers need special zoning for this area to have a new model and so that would I have heard that it will be something they're trying to do with the 2020 code update but they'll have to change the code so it would be not an override update they're doing it now somebody would have to give them the authority to do that and now it has to be a new CCR update transit corridors so I think you just asked how if this interacts with the multimodal transit corridors but they don't overlap well they do just not all of the corridors so this has more corridors but via apps city and there was some I don't know all the details but to come up with this to then apply for money for the multimodal so this is via 2040 essentially just done by the city so the multimodal transit plan that's on you know this is so in order to get the funding to do that you have to have this so via saying hey state government we need $10 billion to build a transit service and we don't know what that's going to be they have to be able to say the city has a plan for this and if the city doesn't have a plan for this then they can't say that so this is the first step to get the funding for that essentially I asked you if there's a funding and if you do get the funding they're going to say well it was written this way so yeah if they'll get the funding in 2040 and I will be like 60 well you're using it as a more than actually the city act via for funding no that's what I said via ask the city to do this and then they said well do you want us to do it and they ask you if there's money and then I'm assuming well and then look it also says that there's developer initiating zoning overrides it says that there's developer initiated zoning so it's a serious document I don't think it's a just I mean I hope and I hope that we will see the second draft with a contextualized language yes well but you don't see it as going to be a dramatic comparison for the topic of media and the funding why do we never hear about all the habits that the causes would be interspersed by these schools why aren't there any responses I got into an argument in CCI about that exact thing they were proposing that the city pay to care of a sidewalk put a new sidewalk down and then then the via was going to come in and tear it up again but the via wanted the sidewalk for a year so we got it for the real sidewalk and I and we called them on and we can't pull that project I don't know I think a lot of people aren't aware of it I what I can say is there are over a lot of previous council offices that didn't pay attention to how soft and TTS and via interact with TCI and in the project I do know that the scheduling department for these projects is working on that it's Anthony and Shiva and that's something I'm working on with them on and so we are trying to get on top of that but you're right I think it's a little casino but it's my personal opinion not the opinion of my office that but you're absolutely right you're absolutely right what's the way to another layer how does the vision zero claim what's pedestrian mobility so I think it's another way to get funding and so when you end up with you know like for example the project for GRODE MPO project that was a vision zero project and that was the plan in which they used to petition for the funding for that they did not use the corridors because again she didn't even know that's sort of another so essentially the TCI and the engineers when they were flying for these money they need to point to like an architecture design to say this is what we're doing and so it could be vision zero it could be the corridors or the comprehensive plan or something but they just have to have in order to have the engineering kind of money if we want to pass it over to the quarter we need to do the next draft of the plan and the way the grad is through us we also need to show them is that our leverage? so I think the planning department told us if you want anything changed you have to deal with your electrification because the planning department really needed us just to draft it so they didn't say these acts because they weren't for the city and that's important because they were asked by their bosses boss to stretch this and so they cannot argue with their bosses but on this document it says Dress now it says Dress and that's the the comprehensive plan that's what happened also what they're saying is they went so you're included, you're not included but the problem is that those meetings they weren't talking about the specifics they were like oh yeah, what do you want to do you'll walk down the street and you want to drive over they're ridiculous and we can have a little thought because we don't do but then the draft comes down and all of a sudden you're going wait a minute and then they don't want any comment on the draft but they want public comment you can't read it to anybody else about doing an open request but the deal is that we have to this is the time to read the complaint that's why we're doing it today because as far as they're concerned they think it's a done deal and they consider the comprehensive plan to be just being a formality but it was council something the comprehensive plan so they have to vote to move it forward they have to that's the list and obviously councilman Shaw is pretty well so far but what we would need there's something like the language about that half mile the half mile you can't do anything on the quarter that negative impacts that half mile that's what we need you don't know that the quarter gets to determine what happens with the half mile you just can't make it means you can't negatively impact something like that sending those suggestions so that he has something we can say these are the changes that we want it's difficult for council we've read it I don't know about councilman Shaw but Charlie read it and I read it and I talked a lot about it and so to be able to say this is the change we want because at this point we don't have that already elected officials because anybody else is going to stop and you think about who asked them to do it well it's not really that difficult because if you go to those council committees which many of y'all have you see that the staff is telling you council people what they think and it's all like oh it's good it's great but when you start reading it and it's difficult to know in fact there's some serious flaws and they need to be changed and that's where you gotta go you're a council person and the other ones too what tier one did was we went to all five council people and do the packet for them and said you do the issue and it would be thank goodness that that was done because a lot of them I mean they have so much to do and we gave them a map and not all officers have a specific planning person either because there's none they don't run into a lot of these issues Darryl can I talk a little bit about it but he's the chief of staff what I will say is that you know it's not always fair to be angry with city staff because they the lower I should say the lower level I mean they're doing their job the same way we asked OHP to do preservation they're going to throw their hotels into preservation and we asked the staff engineer me a street they're going to throw their hotels into that we're really talking about the city manager and the director levels I think it's important so perhaps we need address I don't remember those ads but there are times when we need to address our council person so I was wondering if we could start maybe in our communications grouping the groups by council district primarily district 2 but some district 3 and so that way we're all working together when we're addressing the council we're all using the same language maybe that might be another strategy I think on the contact list we have like just the commission members I don't think that contact list is the commission members and the people that we should be talking about at the last when we're like being there at the station that the city has a plan to address just and what's coming is the response was that it could be two or three years before the issue that I think of the city as it deals with neighborhood associations nobody comes and talks to the neighborhood whether they want and what the planning could do to improve a situation if this is deals with transportation they really ought to go back and talk to these neighborhoods that will have a quarter working through them how their constituency is going to use proper transportation that is not discussed at all and so this idea of rushing it to the end of the year is ludicrous because it has important issues as it relates to who is going to use all this public transportation and it has issues on how the new development to increase density to use of public transportation impacts neighborhoods and that has to be and it's interesting to see that because the communities that are most strong in support of the SA Corridor's plan are on the left side of public transportation to most we've gotten letters of support and people say please stop slowing this down because we need buses we need to get to work I have a family this isn't working for me and so those are hard to read because we know that there's a lack of services in that area and that's unfortunate and yet you look at where the Corridor's are you don't run through those more south most of them are more south they're sort of northern half and yes there's the East Commerce one but that's not really serving the can and south of that there really isn't much and if density is supposed to transportation on the west side to most dense area of housing they have the worst service so the plans lose for instance is that it well if you're any other questions still from a procedural standpoint my understanding is that any additional changes major changes have to go back to the plan of commission yes yes if we were to add any chapter so I'd like to say tell me if I'm right I don't remember this plan coming to the planning and advisory committee hmm well so it's not a change to the code and that's the important thing is that we talk about it would have to follow with the code update so once you get the plan and this is kind of what Dema and I were talking about is that you would have to have a UDC update in order to give the authority to some of the things that they're saying so when we look at this do we comment on that you know about the zoning yeah anything that you are uncomfortable in our memo that we signed the planning department we said you know our neighborhoods are creating our own documents because they're really comfortable they don't know what's going on and that is a fault in a lack of service the city is providing and is there any other way to deal with your foreman housing when you're talking about developer bonuses and stuff there's three different commissions and task forces dealing with that well maybe we'll do a tier one meeting on affordable housing that might be a good thing so I want to I hear what I'm hearing is that there are people that want to be able to use this information and what we cannot remember it but nowcast we'll be uploading this to YouTube under wait wait wait I copy some of my resume wait wait nowcast.se's channel on 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