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It's the only ready-to-eat cereal with this fresh toasted oat flavor! No other cereal is like Cheerios! You see, Cheerios is made from oats, and every delicious spoonful of Cheerios and milk is real muscle-building food! Each spoonful contains vitamins, minerals, and proteins your body needs! Yes, the good things in a Cheerios breakfast do good things for your body! Help you have healthy nerves, good red blood, strong bones, and muscles! Have Cheerios every morning! Then you'll hear people say... He's feeling her Cheerios! Bushy Congers, tough gunman, rode a trail that led to the mountain fight-out of Leo Lopez, Mexican bandit chief. Though the Mexican government offered a substantial reward for Leo's capture, he and his followers were still at large and maintained a stronghold in the foothills beyond the aid with Negros, across the border from Eagle Pass. Bushy reached a part of the trail, boarded by large boulders, when... Don't put your words, senior, you're covered! Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, steady there. I have a message for your chief. Take me to him. A short time later, if Bushy does mutter before a cabin, he'll keep it on a small plateau. Go into the cabin, senor. Right. Can you bring to me Carlos? I'll enter there, Mr. Lopez. I'm known as Bushy Congers. I came across from the states with a message for you. A message? From whom is this message you mention? From an old side ticket yours. Hans Cossum. Hans Cossum? Of course. My German friend who helped me when I tried to seize control of Xihuahua. The governor's troops were stronger than we thought, and we were both lucky to escape. Hans crossed the border to Texas, and I have not heard from him since. Here's a message you gave me to bring to you. Gracias, senor. Lopez, senor. And you'll make out what he wrote? I see, senor. His Spanish was terrible, and his English, he's atrocious. But I've made out the meaning of the north. Do you know what is in the north, senor Congers? Well, Hans said it was about getting you to join forces with him on some deal. See, and he also says you ought to be trusted, amigo. Sit down, senor Congers. Oh, thanks. In this note, Hans says only that he wants me and my men to join forces with him for a certain purpose. He writes that you, senor, will explain what he has in mind. He has a hideout in the foothills north of Eagle Pass. He's got about ten men with him. So, now the deal is this. A wagon train carrying a new type of rifles and ammunition will head for Fort Macintosh south of Eagle Pass in a few days. The wagons will follow the Rio Grande trail on the American side. Hans figures if you and he can get those rifles, maybe five or six wagon loads of them, then you'd be in a position to really go places. Come, Hans is right. Here, get the drawing showing how to reach the hideout. Very good. Tell Hans we shall be very happy to join him. I shall have my men go across and wait for me at a certain place. Then I'll lead them to Hans' hideout. During the night, at various points along the shallow Rio Grande, Leo Lopez's men moved across by twos and threes. The following morning at dawn, Leo stood with his Lieutenant Carlos, looking at the map Bushy had given him. A strong morning breeze was flowing. Here is the trail we take, Carlos. He leads into the foothills. Senor. At that point, we turn right at a large pointed rock until we reach a narrow pass. There, Bushy will meet us. Why not? I think the men are ready to leave now, Senor Leo. We started once. The map is blown out of my hand. The wind's carried it into the air. It's blowing away. No matter. I have the directions now in my head. Tell them in advance. We'll leave now. Hey, hombre! That afternoon, the lone ranger in Tato rode the trail from oreto toward Eagle Pass. At Kimosabe, you think gang Marshal in Laredo tell us about maybe hide near Eagle Pass? The gang has been operating in that territory, Tato. The Marshal in Laredo has to go to Corpus Christi for a few days. That's why he asked us to try to locate the gang. Oh. If we locate the hideout, then we'll contact the sheriff in Eagle Pass and he'll form a large posse to go after the outlaws. Come on! The mask man in Indian camped for the night in a small wooded grove a short distance from where Leo and his men had met. At dawn the following morning, Tato went to settle his horse Scout. The horse looked up. Then started nibbling the lawn grass again. Tato noticed a piece of paper which Scout sniffed. Oh, Scout, do not eat paper. Yeah. Let me take it. Paper has strange marks. Micheal Lone Ranger later. So, settled Scout after putting the paper into his pocket and led him to the camp. Then the two men mouthed. At the hideout camp, Leo Lopez and his men met Hans and his group. The two leaders sat in Hans' cabin discussing their plans. Ah, it's good, Leo, that you agreed to join me. After we get those rifles, you and I can do a lot together. But first, amigo, we must get the new rifles. Without them we shall still be fugitives, no? Yeah, that's right, Leo. We must get those rifles. One of my spies returned today with the news that the wagon train has started along the River Trail. Tomorrow it will be a few miles north of Eagle Pass. We have 30 good men. It should be easy. I agree, senior Hans. If we move against the wagons with 30 men and take them by surprise, we should not have much trouble. Then that's what we'll do. The tail is boarded with thick woods on one side and the river on the other. We'll bait in the woods a few miles north of here. Then strikes suddenly, then the wagons reach that point. Meanwhile, the Lone Ranger and Tahoe searched the hills without success. They were returning to their camp near Sundown. They rounded the bend and came face-to-face with a troop of cavalry. They're shooting over our heads as a warning, Tahoe. We'll have to face them. Mister, we have your covers. We'll take your guns and I'm sending you as prisoners back to the porch. If you try to escape, the men will have orders to shoot you. Don't be hasty, Lieutenant Drake. You know my name? Yes, we met before. When and where? At Fort McIntosh three months ago. I came there at the Colonel's request during an Indian uprising. I was in disguise and without my mask. Hold on. I remember now. Come on. Oh, come on. Get in. Of course. That voice, I couldn't mistake that. You're the Lone Ranger. That's right. Glad to meet you again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize who you were at once. Eddie's man and his men are friends. Oh, thanks, Lieutenant. Uh, what are you and your Indian friend doing up this way? We came at the request of the United States Marshal Laredo to search for an outlaw gang presumably led by a man named Hunter Carson. Yes, I've heard of the gang. In fact, the Colonel was anxious about some rifles coming to us by wagon train. New type rifles. He feared Carson might get wind of it and try to take them. You're going to escort the wagon? That's right, sir. There is also danger from the tribe of Renegade Indians. Those rifles would be a prize for either group. That's right. Well, we'll go on now, sir. I, uh, expect to camp several miles north of here and wait for the wagons. If you want to get in touch with us, we'll be easy to find. Thanks, Lieutenant. I'll remember that. Adios. Goodbye. Adios. Move! Come! Help! Help! But Carson falls on the first act of our Lone Ranger adventure. Before the next exciting thing, please permit us to pause for just a few moments.  Now you can get a copy of a real genuine original Confederate bill free in each specially marked package of Cheerios. There are nine different bills in the whole set, ranging from $1 to $1,000. And each bill looks so much like the original Confederate bill, you can hardly tell the difference.  As I said, one bill comes free with each special Cheerios package. No waiting, nothing to send in. It's right at your grocers. If you get a $2 bill in your first package, you may get a $500 bill in the next and so on. It's easy to collect the whole set of nine different bills. And I bet you want to be the first in your neighborhood to have them all. And you'll have something else that's good too. Cheerios. Seems everybody loves that wonderful toasted old flavor. And everybody needs the go power Cheerios gives. Remember now, inside each special Cheerios package, there's a copy of a real genuine Confederate bill. We're collecting yours today. Now to continue. When the Lone Ranger and Tuttle arrived at camp, the Indian remembered the paper he had put into his pocket that morning. He showed it to the Lone Ranger. Kimasabi. Here? Here, paper with markings like map on one side. He signed it here this morning. It does look like a map showing the route to some definite place. Yes, the route indicated here leads into the foothills. It looks like a drawing of pointed rock. That arrow indicates that from there one goes to a narrow pass. I wonder who makes drawn. I don't know. It would be interesting to know why anyone took the trouble to make such a carefully drawn map. There are plenty of good hiding places in those foothills. Isn't that right? I think the moon will be bright tonight, Tuttle. We'll follow this route as shown on the map and see what we discover. Later, in the light of the bright moon, the mask man and Indian follow the route indicated on the map. When they reach pointed rock, they stop. Those are really easy to find. The path shown on the map isn't far from here, Tuttle. We'll leave the horses among the trees and go forward on foot. They move cautiously, keeping their eyes open for guards. Instead of going directly to the pass, they climb to the rim of a canyon above the narrow pass. From there, they get looked down upon Kassan's camp. They hadn't been seen by the guard who was stationed at the pass. Tuttle, look at all the horses down there. Two, three dozen men there. I wish we could get closer to that cabin. We might find out who those men are. A team of hobbyists. We go down inside the canyon. It has rocks, men we use. Yes, I think you could make it at that. The brush going on the side of the canyon will keep you from being seen. They go down, get back soon. Like a shadow, Tuttle left the Lone Ranger's side and started down a steep canyon wall. Protuding rocks and bushes helped his descent. And he was careful not to dislodge any stones that might indicate his presence. The Lone Ranger waited for some time. He was about to go look for Tuttle when the Indians silently appeared beside him. Tuttle, I was afraid something had happened. No, me all right, Kimusabe. We get close to cabin. We hear voices. One talk like German, Tuttle. The Indians are all dead, Leo. We arrive from here in the morning, hiding the woods up near the bend of the river. Then take the wagon by surprise. We shall be ready, amigo. Once we have arrived, we shall cross at night in the mancourt and then make further plans, no? Yeah. People will hear a great deal about this, Leo. If they get those new devices. Tuttle, you must have heard of Hans Cossin talking. The other man could be his former partner, Leo Lopez. Now, if they join forces to attack the wagons and get the improved rifles. Uh-huh, what do we do? We know their plans now. We'll notify the troopers at their camp. Then come here, fight outlaws. Oh, that would be unwise. I'll see just a better plan. Let's go. The Lone Ranger and Tuttle started back to their horses without being seen. Storm come? Yes, let's hurry to leave these foothills. Uh-huh. By the time they reached the horses, wind began to blow strongly and lightning crackled around them. Let's hurry, Tuttle. You should be careful on that. What's the hurry? They must come. The last man and Indians started back toward the River Trail. They fast-ported rock and rode down a narrow rocky trail from the foothills. This can be bad. Storm came us, Abby. They must keep going. Uh-huh. Suddenly, there was a terrifying flash of lightning immediately followed by a loud flash of thunder. Ladies and gentlemen, Tuttle, quick. The big tree was struck. Follow his way. What's the hurry? The two horses flying forward, just escaping the huge tree that flashed to the ground. Wind grew in intensity, and in spite of the need for haste to warn the troopers and save the wagon train, the Lone Ranger realized he and Tuttle must find safe shelter from the elements. By the light of the almost constant flashes of lightning, he finally saw a natural cave and a little cliff nearby. He and Tuttle turned from a trail and raced it safely. I've never been in a worse storm, Tuttle. Oh, it's plenty bad. We're not able to travel now. Perhaps it will soon be over. We'll lose a lot of time, but the storm's stopping. All the trails may be cluttered and blocked in places. We'll try to reach the lieutenant and his men. Let's leave Silver and Scout outside. Come on, Tuttle. Come, Tuttle. We'll head for the troopers' camp now. Easy, steady, big boy. Come on, Tuttle. Come on, Tuttle. Those were cluttered with debris from the storm, but the Lone Ranger and Tuttle pressed on. Later, they reached the camp where the lieutenant and the troopers had stopped for the night. Briefly, the masked man told the lieutenant what they had found out. When he finished, the officers said... I'll give orders at once for the troopers to ride to that hideout. Oh, wait, Lieutenant. May I suggest a better plan? Of course. But we could take them by surprise. No, I doubt that. We managed to elude their guard, but a large group of horsemen couldn't do that. All right. What do you suggest, sir? Let them go to the woods caution mentioned. Meantime, send one of your men to the Sheriff and Eagle Rock for additional help. At dawn, we ride up the river trail beyond the place where the outlaws will be waiting later. Some of our men will come down with the wagons. Others will move into the woods with Tuttle and me and surprise them. Good idea, sir. I'll get word of the Sheriff at once. Later, the Sheriff arrived at the camp with a large posse. He was introduced to the Lone Ranger by the lieutenant. Then, the three men discussed their plans for outwitting the bandits. Meantime, Hans and Leo with their men waited in the thick woods at the bend in the trail for the wagons to appear. Then... They don't, Leo. The wagons, they're coming. The first one has just come around the bend. He's up to you now, Hans. You were giving the orders. All right. Mount your horses, everyone. And when I give the word, right out to the wagons shooting. The large group of outlaws watched from hiding as the wagon train moved closer. Then, when it was opposite their position, Hans gave the order to attack. At this time, attack them! Use your guns! The outlaws formed out of the woods towards the wagons. But as they near them, they met with a sudden surprise. The abuse of the canvas tops were raised to disclose blazing rifles in the hands of troopers hidden in the wagons. The size of the wagons had been reinforced to stop bullets, but the outlaws were unprotected. Hans and Leo had sent their men ahead of them. When they saw what was happening, they turned and rode hurriedly back into the thick woods, intending to desert their followers. Hurry, Leo! They tricked us! We must escape from the woods quick! As the two outlaw leaders fled into the woods, they heard the ringing cry, and then saw a masked man and Indian, followed by many horsemen, coming through the woods towards them. Look, a masked man and many others will be trapped. It's my duty to protect them and free you. Go! Go! Out of here! The lone rangers saw Hans Cousin, not behind a large tree. The masked man stopped quickly. Oh, you said it before?  Hold this! No, my leg! We want you, Hans Cousin. You and your gang are finished. It was a Lopez gang. The lone rangers quickly tied both Hans and Leo. Tato and the posse had gone on through the woods and out to the river trail to help capture the rest of the outlaws. There, that will hold, you cowards. I saw you turn and leave your men in the hopes of escaping. You can't get away now. We'll be back for you. The masked man returned to Silver, and hurriedly mounting, Teddy Bigfoot, hold him! Goed out of the woods to help the others. With both their leaders out of the play, the outlaws were soon beaten. Many of them were wounded because of the surprise counter-attack. Greatly outnumbered, the outlaws gave up, and the fight ended. The wounded on both sides were attended to. Later, the lone ranger, the sheriff and the lieutenant stood before Hans and Leo. Sure, you caught Hans Cousin and Leo Lopez, eh? I'm pretty glad about them. Thanks to our masked friend in the Indian, we discovered their plans in time. We're glad we could help, Lieutenant. Now that you have captured them all, Tato and I'll leave. Oh, uh, give my regards to your Colonel and tell him we'll see him soon. Adios, everybody! Goodbye! Teddy Bigfoot! Sheriff, there goes one of the nation's finest citizens. I feel it an honor to have met him and to know him. Hey, Lieutenant, you told me he was to be trusted and all that, but, dawg, got it? Who is he? His real name is a mystery to the entire West, Sheriff. But to all of us who've been fortunate enough to have his advice and help, he's known as the lone ranger. I don't know. Yes, sir. Get on your way. Get on your way. Get on your way with Whitties. You'll never get discouraged if you keep in mind champions are made, not born. Let's see how Tom Fears, past catching end for the Los Angeles Rams, got on his way. At 12, Tom played football a lot, and many a bump is what he got. But he kept trying, never quit. And here's what helped to keep him fit. He ate his Whitties every bit. Today, Tom sparks those touchdown drives. It's Whitties still on which he thrives. Whitties to Fears. There's a past combination that's been clicking steady now for 19 years. Real energy in Whitties. There's a whole kernel of wheat in every Whitties' flake. Okay, Tom, smack that pass. Hey, hey, hey. He's on his way. On his way. He's on his way. On his way. Get on your way with Whitties. Cause champions are made, not born. Yes, sir. Get on your way. Get on your way with Whitties. Breakfast of champions. A copyrighted feature of the Lone Ranger Incorporated is created by George W. Crandall. Produced by Crandall Campbell Muir Incorporated. Directed by Charles D. Livingston. And edited by Fran Stryker. The part of the Lone Ranger is played by Brace Beamer. Your announcer, Fred Foy. The Lone Ranger is brought to you by General Mills every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at this same time. Be sure to listen. This recorded program has come to you from Detroit. This is ABC Radio Network.


Two wrongs don't make a right. But it damn sure makes us even. Kinda. In this episode, you'll hear about a pedophile dad, being punished for his crimes in prison, dogs defending a family at all costs.  And last but not worst, a rage-consumed woman, whose acts can only be classified, as an overkill revenge act. Naturally, viewer discretion is advised. These revenge acts might be disturbing to snowflakes. This story has sat with me for a few years now, and I feel like I'm ready to share it. It's somewhat vague because there are a lot of people that could be hurt with the details of this story. My father sexually abused me and my siblings growing up. I was the youngest of three siblings and was the one that spoke out, eventually getting him arrested. He only got charged with one count against my sister, me and my brother have spoken about what happened a few times, but we both feel we never got justice for what he did. He got four years in federal prison as well, as charges for having drugs and some illegal weapons. He had an assault rifle and pistol that weren't registered in Canada. For a time in my teenage years, I ended up living in a bad neighborhood. Living with my gang member friends and selling drugs to pay for myself to eat. Don't judge me for that. I only sold weed which won't kill anyone, so I feel fine about it. One day, a higher up in the gang my friends were in, came by our apartment, because I was selling a lot of weed, and he was beginning to not like it. He gave me a boundary and I respected him, since he respected me being just a kid trying to finish high school. The higher up, let's call him Greg, would come by once a week to check in, but not in a bad way. Greg actually helped me out, so a month after meeting him, I didn't need to sell anymore. He helped with bills and groceries etc. When I asked him why, he told me he knew my dad in jail. The following story is what I remember from what he told me. The prison confirmed this story when I asked after my 18th birthday. Greg had been in prison for three years when my dad arrived at the prison. Greg and my dad turned out to be cellmates. Greg explained to me, that my dad never seemed right, and over a year he managed to gain his trust. My dad revealed to him that he wasn't caught for assaulting multiple people in his charge, but didn't actually tell him what he did. Greg being a powerful gang, used his connections to find out exactly what my dad did. Greg didn't want a ruin getting out, so all he did was tell the more respected prisoners, of which will never see freedom again, and do not have morals. My father was raped, beaten, burned, stabbed and beaten again for months before he died. And all I can say is I wish it lasted longer. Greg put the pieces together and looked out for me for two years, when I had no one. Greg got the justice that me and my siblings really deserved. When I think about the months of torture he endured, I feel those prisoners got better revenge than I could ever have gotten. I am great now, Greg is kind of like an old crazy uncle now. He got shot in the arm and gave up the gang life. This was many years ago, and I was never charged. The case was closed as a home invasion that was stopped with reasonable force. My dogs were not harmed or removed from me. My neighbor, let's call her Josephine, was a nice lady, a single mom with one little boy, when she moved she had some rat issues caused by the previous owner's hoarding, and since I am not bothered by rats, and had a small dog as well as my big ones, I was able to help out a bit. She and my wife became great friends, and her boy loved my Mastiffs and the great Dane I owned back then. Often when Josephine was working, her lad would come and stay with my wife and I, and the dogs, after school and on weekends. About a year after Josephine moved in, she told us she was sure she was being followed by a man, who had approached her in a bar on one of her twice yearly nights out with her sister. She barely went out socializing, it was sheer bad luck she met this man at all. She asked us to keep an eye out for his type and color car, and if we could get his number plate she could give it to the police. We, of course, promised to help, and carried on about that day. Late that night my Dane woke me whining, and led me to the side door. This door opened onto a shared driveway with my neighbor. I opened it thinking he needed to go to the toilet in the garden, but as soon as I opened it I saw a man inside Josephine's kitchen, and then heard her scream. I dashed over the driveway, and I could see her door was forced open, which was probably what woke my dogs. I pushed open her kitchen door and shouted at him to stop. He went for me, realized pretty quickly I knew how to fight, and that he was losing. In the struggle he managed to get free, and took off down the road. We called the police and reported it, and gave statements when the police arrived. Josephine and her boy stayed with us for the rest of the night, the next day she went to stay with relatives using another friend's car just in case he was hanging around. I scouted ahead a bit, to make sure she could get away safely. That night I woke up to the sound of a man screaming in my house. I could have gone straight downstairs to see what was going on, but I waited until the screaming stopped before investigating, since it sounded exactly like the man from the night before, and I figured he needed some quality time with some real predators. He wasn't moving when I went into the living room, but the dogs were really happy with themselves. What the police and I worked out had happened, was that he quietly broke into my kitchen through the side door, my mastiffs and the dane waited, till he was deep in the house before they struck. He was ragdolled by the neck from behind by my dane, and while this was happening the mastiffs tore his legs to shreds.  He had suffered multiple fatal wounds to his thigh's neck and face. The rapist slash intruder had a backpack on with knives, duck slash duck tape, gags and a small hand axe. DNA, Josephine had scratched him, and my and Josephine's statements confirmed, he was the same man who had tried to rape my neighbor. He had no idea I had large dogs at seams.  Who cares? Those dogs have all died of old age now, but I bred from the mastiffs and still have their pups and grand pups. The dane made it to 12 which is ancient for one of them. Josephine got a mastiff from me shortly after this event, and she still owns large dogs too. I recommend a large dog as a companion, and as something that will freak up any intruder for you. As Bill Burr says, it's like owning a gun you can pet. I will use fake names for obvious reasons you will find out. Me and my twin brother Sebastian have never ever been close, in fact, he made life hell growing up, and my parents didn't help by playing favorites. For example, they would get him better stuff on our birthday, we would only go to see films he liked at the cinema and they would give him extra money for housework, despite us doing the same amount of work. He would always put me down, belittle me, bully me with his friends at school, break my stuff and his, then blame me and was just a pain in general. Growing up, the only people I knew to rely on was my older sister Jane, my cousin Kai and best friend Isaac. They all knew what an awful person my brother was. Anyway cut to when I was 17 and I had my first girlfriend, someone I loved very much. We didn't have sex cause she wanted to wait till her 18th birthday to lose her virginity, but it turns out that she was having an affair with my brother behind my back, for half the time we were together. She only got caught when it was revealed she was pregnant. I was crushed, she knew how much I hated my brother and she saw some of the awful things he did to me, but she still went and did that. Cheating is bad enough but to do it with him of all people. I punched him in the face, and broke his nose and made him lose a tooth, but according to my parents, I'm the one in the wrong, and now we have to help this girl who is carrying my brother's child and have to help support them. My brother then said he had no intention of being a father, and told my girlfriend to get an abortion. She then ran out of town and I never saw her again, don't know if she had the baby or aborted. All I know was that she was gone, and my folks were still praising my brother as the golden child. Another year goes past and me and my brother still despise each other, but I had started dating again. It took a while but I found someone. Found a boy I liked. I am bisexual and met this guy Daniel at college. He was deaf and I studied sign language out of boredom, so we got talking and things just seemed to click. We date, fall in love, bring him to my friend Issac's party to introduce him to friends and all feels great. At this point the only one who knew I was bi was Isaac. One day walking into a cinema holding my boyfriend's hand, I bump into my evil twin. He points, laughs and says some homophobic remarks. I tell him to go frick himself and walk to the movie with my arm round my boyfriend. When I got home after dropping my boyfriend home, I knew I'd be facing something as I walked through the front door. I saw both my parents on the sofa, my mother crying about how on earth she could have given birth to someone so disgusting. I hope she was referring to my evil brother. But nope, she was talking about me and how I'm a stain on our family's name. My father gets up to yell at me, spout homophobic remarks and slurs.  I will skip the profanity he used. That's when my folks decided to kick me out there and then. With what little clothes and money I had, I went to Issac's house and his family took me in, where I stayed for six months, actually experiencing familial love and affection. I consider Issac's mother and stepdad as my own parents now. Eventually me, Daniel and Issac started to rent a two bedroom flat together and all is good for the time being. So cut to December last year, me and Daniel are married, Issac was my best man, my sister and cousin Kai walked me down the aisle. I have a respectable job in graphic design, have my own house by the sea and life has never been better. However I got a call from my sister that my brother was in a hospital. I hadn't thought about him that much over the nine year period since I was kicked out, but being reminded of his existence brought up a lot of painful memories for me. I was told by my sister that Sebastian wanted to see me, and that it was urgent. So I went to the hospital he was in and met my sister outside the front entrance. I asked her what this is all about but she wouldn't tell me and that I need to ask my twin. So I arrived to where my brother is, joined by my parents at his side and my folks actually look happy to see me, as if what they did to me hadn't happened. Even Sebastian looked really pleased to see me. It's safe to say something was off. Eventually I ask what's going on and why was I even here, to which my brother tells the family to leave us two alone. He looks so weak, it feels strange to see him like that because he used to intimidate me so much. He told me that he was dying from kidney failure and has been sick for the past few years, but now he didn't have long left. I knew immediately where this was going. He said he always regretted that we never got along at which point I told him no. He looked confused and asked what I was on about, so I simply told him I wasn't going to donate my kidney to save him.  He then went on about how bad the situation was and that he really was sorry for all the things we did to each other growing up. Like excuse me? We did to each other? I told him that I just wanted a brother growing up that cared and loved me who wouldn't try and break me every day for 18 years. He then called in our mom and dad and told them that I wasn't going to give up my kidney. They then started to spout off that I owed them for my existence and that I have a duty to look after family. I asked them where that duty was when they kicked me out of the house or where that duty was every time my brother gave me a black eye. I also asked where their duty was to look after their grandchild when Sebastian decided he didn't want to be a father to me ex-girlfriend's child.  I then turned around and walked out of the room having that be the last time I ever saw Sebastian again. Not sure why they'd want a gay person's kidney anyway. I walked past my sister who gave me a look, I gave her a look back, who then in turn gave me a look that said I understand. After leaving the hospital, I felt as if a great weight had been taken off my shoulders, I went home and never looked back. I'm surely pleased with my decision. Now last week I get a call from my sister calling to inform me, that Sebastian had died. She asked if I was okay and I said I was, that I didn't really feel anything in all honesty. She said she understood to a degree, as Sebastian hadn't been all that kind to her over the years either. I had my husband and Isaac there to support me. Honestly, at this point Isaac may as well be our adopted child since he was living with us through this whole situation.  They told me that me and my husband don't deserve children. They knew we were looking into adoption and surrogacy. This makes me second guess my choice of not giving my brother my kidney, even in death he's making things harder for me. I did wonder if I was a bad person and if I made the wrong decision but I knew that if I was in that position, I would have been left for dead. So screw him. Other bits of information that may clear things up. 1. His kidney failure was from living a hardcore lifestyle of drugs and alcohol. 2. I disowned them of being my family years ago, so when I got married I took my husband's last name and hypen it with Isaac's last name to which his folks were very pleased about. 3. It's unlikely I'll ever see my parents again and I'll make sure my children will never meet them. My true revenge to them, will be being a better parent than they ever were to me.   She was evil in human form. Now, on with the revenge. I was a weird kid growing up, really weird. It was mostly because I was being abused at home and forcibly isolated. My social skills were so underdeveloped that I had difficulty reading human faces aside from my grandmother, grandfather, and father. Being the weird girl meant that I was a juicy target for bullies. It never stopped, but there was one bully that I hated more than any of the others. We'll call her Holly. This girl never passed up an opportunity to make my life hell, and since she lived across the street from me, there was nowhere I could avoid her. Holly treated me like garbage.   She would also sit on her porch with her friends, while roasting the hell out of me to entertain them, if I so much as put a toe outside of my front door. It's just embarrassing to admit to being weak enough that she could do it to me at all.  Actual poo poo? No, I don't know what kind. She shoved me down an embankment and I chipped my front tooth on a cinder block. The list goes on and on, and I don't really feel like going into it, but suffice to say it wasn't just teasing. It doesn't make what I did much better, but I didn't do it over something minor. It went on for years. I hated her with the fiery passion of a thousand sons, but while my grandmother was still alive, there was nothing I could do about Holly. If I did anything to her or fought back in any way my grandmother would punish me for it, and I was more afraid of her than I was of Holly, for a very good reason. So, I made a plan. I suffered through all the abuse, and promised myself that when I was older, I would make Holly pay for what she did to me. Thinking of what I was going to do to her when the time was right, was sometimes the only thing that kept me going. Over time, Holly grew up, and eventually she left me alone and stopped being an arsehole, unfortunately for her, by then, it was too late. I didn't give a doodoo about her new moral epiphany, I had been nursing my grudge for two decades, and it was time for a reckoning.  When my grandmother finally died, it was go time, and I'd had 20 years to plan. I wasn't idle while I waited. I'd made it my mission in life, to learn as much about Holly as possible, and to accomplish this, I became friends with a few people on the periphery of her social circle. Eventually, I knew more about her and her life than her own mother did. The first step I took in my plan, was getting her fired from her job. It took longer than I would have liked, but eventually I managed it. Holly worked at a doctor's office, and I knew that the doctor she worked for was super Christian. Very straight edge, upstanding type of guy. He also had a huge influence on the local community. I decided to become a patient at his office, kettling my visits to be on the days Holly was off work. After a couple of visits I just happened to notice Holly and the staff photo on the waiting room wall. I made a show of looking surprised and then concerned. I got to the exam room, and the doctor came in shortly after. The expression on my face got his attention, and he asked me what was wrong. I told him that even though I didn't want to, as a Christian, I couldn't keep my knowledge a secret and still sleep at night. Because I just couldn't let him endanger his soul and reputation by doing nothing. I had his full attention, then and I asked him, as one fellow Christian to another, not to tell anyone where he got the information I was about to give him, after he promised he would. I told him that I knew that Holly was using illegal drugs. He was absolutely flawed and at first he didn't believe me. I told him that I understood his skepticism entirely, but it was easy enough to prove or disprove my information with a drug test. If I was wrong, he lost nothing. If I was right he was saving himself from trouble down the road. He finally agreed to test her, and he tested everyone else too so that it didn't look like Holly was the only target. See, I wasn't actually lying. Holly smoked a shitload of weed, and I knew that because it was my dad she used to get it from. He'd been her weed dude since she was like 15. Her test came back positive for marijuana and much to my surprise, Xanax. Oopsie. The doctor fired Holly on the spot when the results of the urinalysis came back. He also called me to thank me for telling him what was going on, and before he hung up, he told me that I truly walked with the Lord. You'll will never know how hard I had to fight not to laugh at the depths of his wrongness. I thought I was going to pop a blood vessel. Phase one, complete. I know what you're thinking, it's just a job and it's not like she can't go get another one, right? Losing a job isn't the end of the world. You'd be wrong. Remember how I said that her boss had a very high reputation in our area? That man called every single hospital and doctor's office in the state personally to make sure that none of them would hire Holly and risk liability and loss of community trust for associating with her. Holly's field of study was all pertaining to the medical profession, so her education was rendered worthless because nobody would hire her. I wasn't done yet. Nope. Not even close. She lost her job, and because she had no income, her car got repossessed. She still had her family though, two kids and a fiance. Who needs families? Am I right? With the help of a good friend of mine, we catfished the pajamas out of her fiance. My friend is hot as frick, and she let me use pictures of her to prove that she was really real. She even got on Skype with him once. When he finally made the arrangements for a face-to-face encounter, and booked a hotel room, I texted the screenshots of everything to Holly, from a burner number. To say the excrement impacted the oscillating unit, would be a vast understatement. They broke up, the whole thing was an ordeal and Holly was devastated. She had two kids, no job, and now no fiance who could help her keep the family afloat. A normal person would have stopped then. Unfortunately, I am not normal, and I was going full scorched earth.  Phase 3. With her fiance gone and no job. Holly was struggling badly, she needed money, and she needed it quickly before she and the kids got evicted. Meth is a giant problem in my area, it's high risk but it's also fast money. So I started subtly mentioning Holly's situation, among my more legally questionable family. Eventually one of my family's friends, who happened to be a meth cook, got in contact with Holly, and offered her a shitload of cash, to let him cook dope at her house. It was supposed to be a one-time thing. Two days and then done forever. Holly was desperate, so she said yes, everything went smoothly at first. But dead in the middle of the cook session, someone called in an anonymous tip, about an active cook in progress to the local narcotics unit. They rolled up on Holly's house at about 3 a.m., and caught everybody inside, including Holly red-handed making meth.  She was in deep legal poo-poo, and to make a bad situation even worse, most houses where labs are discovered, aren't deemed habitable afterwards, because the toxic fumes from the chemicals used to make the drug get everywhere, and it's super hard and time consuming to clean. It's up to the property owner, to either hire a hazmat team to clean it, or condemn it and tear it down. A lab cleanup costs thousands of dollars. It would have cost more money to clean it than the entire property was worth. So it got torn down, with everything Holly owned still inside. See, you can't take things out of a meth lab because they're going to be covered in toxic residue. It can make you very sick, especially young children. Everything in the residence is usually counted as a loss. Now, some people sneak in and grab stuff anyway, but whatever, it's their funeral. But since Holly was still sitting in jail, there was no way for her to get anything, and none of her close family were interested in risking getting caught, sneaking into the house and being accused of stealing or tampering with the crime scene. Holly ended up in jail for a while, and while she was gone, the court gave their father, ex-fiancé, sole custody of their children, and Holly was only given supervised visitation. Two hours every Saturday if I recall correctly. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and mine was freezing. I was behind every single bad thing that happened in Holly's life, in one way or another, for an entire five-year period. She decided she liked bullying me, and making my life hell, and she figures there would never be any consequences. Instead, I took her reputation, her job, her fiancé, got her arrested and convicted of a felony, and her children taken from her. The best part is, that she has no clue I did it to this very day.  I was nothing to her, so she never connected me to her problems. Last I heard, she was in rehab for alcoholism and had her parental rights terminated permanently. After she lost her kids, she just sort of gave up, and crawled into a bottle and never came out again.  She thinks I'm the nicest person she's ever met.


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Under most circumstances, bad actors don't manually handpick websites to attack since this is very time consuming. But the majority of attacks against websites are automated and performed by bots who are looking for websites with known vulnerabilities. And these automated scripts, they make it easy for hackers to find websites, scan for vulnerabilities, and gain unauthorized access. And small web stores aren't exempt of this. And criminals are opportunists, and they'll target any accessible websites or server resources. Yeah, and on top of that, if a merchant is found to be non-compliant with PCI DSS, there are a number of penalties and consequences ranging from fines, loss of time, and an ability to process payments. The average cost of a data breach for a small business is about $86,500 with enterprise organization paying $4 million. So with that, let's talk about security principles for online stores. The methods you use to secure your e-commerce websites will depend on whether your website is managed or self-hosted. And for websites running managed stores like websites plus marketing and Squarespace, the server and all its software are proprietary, meaning you will not be held liable for security configurations, and you pay the service provider a monthly fee for this luxury. And if you're a self-hosted store, however, you'll want to pay close attention to the following recommendations. So with PCI, everything is about reducing the attack surface. And for an e-commerce site, this involves the car data environment, or CDE, the manner in which you handle credit cards on your site. Yeah, and even if you do leverage third-party services like Stripe, Recurly, PayPal, or another secure payment option, you have an obligation to follow the requirements as set forth by PCI DSS. Keeping your website's attack service as small as possible is a fundamental first step toward improving your security measures. This means reducing the number of different points that bad actors can enter or extract data from your environment. This can come in the form of insecure credentials, unpatched third-party components, plugins or extensions, software and CMS vulnerabilities, and even server configurations. And whenever you add new features or components to your website, you're also introducing potential for vulnerability, which may be exploited. Yeah, so consider every component you've added or want to add and ask yourself the following questions. Do you really need this plugin or component? Does the software vendor have a plan if a vulnerability is disclosed? Are there frequent patches or releases? And are software developers prioritizing security? That's a good one. Also ask, are there any new patches? 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And many online stores use a reputable payment gateway to help process credit card payments and transactions. And while this can help you lift some PCI requirement, it doesn't mean you're off the hook entirely. So when you gain an understanding of what it takes to run a secure online store and embrace those principles, it offers peace of mind. You'll also gain confidence that your customer's data is safe and you're staying on the good side of any regulatory agencies that might drop by. And most importantly, taking steps to ensure that you're utilizing the best practices towards compliance are also good practices toward a great security posture. All right, that's a wrap. You just learned how to make your online store safe for your customers. Be sure to comment below and subscribe to our channel. And ring that bell so you're the first to know when we drop new episodes like these. This is The Journey. We'll see you next time.


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6, 5, 4, 3, 2, Hello and welcome to the Digital Freethought Radio Hour on WOZO Radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. We're recording this on Sunday morning, May 1st, 2022. I'm Larry Rhodes or Doubter 5. And as usually we have our co-host Wombat on the line with us. Hello Wombat. Hey, that sounds like me. That's right. Other guests today are Dred Pirate Higgs. Hello. How are you there? Western Canada. John Richards from London, I believe, England. And George Brown, the second and a half from East Tennessee. Welcome all. Good morning. Digital Freethought Radio Hours, a talk radio show about atheism, free thought, rational thought, humanism, and the sciences. And conversely, we'll also talk about religion, religious faiths, God's holy books and superstition. And if you get the feeling that you're the only non-believer in town, you're just not. In Knoxville, a town in the middle of the Bible Belt, we have a group of over a thousand of us. Tell you more about that group after the mid-show break. Wombat, what's on her plate today? We're going to be talking about two things. One, how do atheists deal with temptation? And the second one is, how good am I at disc golf? Can you guys believe it? I just totally crushed yesterday. I felt so happy. And modest. So modest. And then I think for a short period of time, we can also talk about why there's no pandas in the Bible, which I think it could be a funny topic. Yeah, exactly. Well, before we jump into it, or noodley lords, right? We'll throw it up to Rowan Dredpire Higgs for our weekly invitation. Perfect. I've got my Princess Leia look. Nice. Bob be me captain I shall not want. He maketh me to float in salt waters. He steereth me through glassy seas. He filleth me bowl. He steereth me through the straits of noodliness for goodness sake. I though I sail through the heaving of tempestuous waters, I will fear not sinking. For thou art with me, thy master and thy rudder, they comfort me. Thou preparest a feast before me in the presence of me mates. Thou quenches my thirst with grog, my goblet runneth over. Truly, pasta and grog shall abide with me all the days of me life. And I shall dwell in the galley of our quab forever. Dredp, let's do a quick recap how you've been since last week, my friend. Oh, it's been a slow week. I think I might have mentioned at some point that I started with turning. So I'm getting accustomed to using wood turning tools and the lathe and making stuff and it's been great. I've transformed my greenhouse, which I never grew anything into a wood shop. So very cool busy doing that. Let me throw this out at you. When have you gone into dovetails yet? No, strictly wood turning at this point. I haven't gone into cabinetry yet. Okay, okay. Very, very cool. I can't wait to see your handles or knobs. They're well turned knobs. I appreciate it. Yeah. I want to see the highest quality wood knobs possible. Do you know where to spark all this? No, I know. Talk to me. I think the oven riches may be familiar with what the spotter is. And it's a stick that has different, you know, designs on it. And it's used for mixing and stirring porridge. Very cool. Very cool. Nice. Very popular George Brown saying the half. I always want to catch up with you how you've been. I've been good. I've been engaging sometimes when I feel like the world is going out of control.  So what I repaired was this microphone. The boom on the microphone was flopping, and I didn't allow that that was acceptable. So I've repaired the microphone, the ball joint with little pieces of press-apply labels. The perfect repair. And right now, I'm listening to you on these earphones that were given to me by somebody who stole them from an airline. And I've been comparing airline headphones. Okay, not bad. You look fashionable. Listen, I'll tell you something. My job, we have a belief that if you fixed it and it looks silly and it works, it's not silly and you're good to go. That's it. Glad to hear you have a stiff boom. Yeah. I was going to say, if you asked me about your floppy boom, I would have suggested my aggra. All right. Well, at this, at this, at my age, the boom does, you know, get a little floppy. I'm sorry. Or John Richard, Ty, have you been? Oh, right. Okay. Well, I've been up to my usual scheming tricks. In fact, earlier this week, they let Kent Hovind out of jail long enough to speak to me. And that was fun. And then I ripped it and chopped it and reassembled it with my actual comments in, because of course he doesn't let you speak. He actually knew Dwayne Gish and learned a lot from him about the Gish Gallup. So I did that. And I've been on another apologist website and YouTube channel. A chap called Brett Keane, who you may have heard of. He doesn't show himself on screen. He has this threatening image that he likes. Because I think he's trying to be a sort of shock jock for Christianity. Anyway, take a look. If they need more. You know, my thought process on Kevin Hovind or truly a lot of like these guys are, I used to be a fan of like Animorse or like take it for a Bujo Star Wars. And you know, a movie pretty well. But like that was like in my head, like back in 20 or 2007, when I read my last Animorse book or Harry Potter book, like there have been other books that have come out and who have colored my impression of like the older books that I've read. But could you imagine from a child up to the point where an adult to like from 2007 all the way up to 2020, you're still arguing about the same book, the same stories still genuinely believing it still knowing every note. It's like, haven't you have the opportunity to like flower or bloom in any other areas of expertise? Like, is this still the same thing that you're doing? It's crazy. Well, you see, there's two reasons why he hasn't. One is that he'd never listens to anything anybody else says. And the other is he's got a very vested interest in, in proposing constantly making his same proposition go out there because he earns his money by attracting an audience to his steampark Dr. Dino and other stuff that he manages to flog on the Internet. Yeah, it's how he feeds his kids. But like it's also a really terrible way to figure out if something's true or not, you know, when you put that much pressure on it. So he's committed those four things. He's got too much to lose. He didn't change. Yeah. But the thing is, even Jeff Foxworthy picked up some different sets and shows and stuff like that. He didn't just do radic jokes his entire life. He's like, I'm not the redneck guy, guys. I did on smarter than an eighth grader. I did the Jax Foxworthy show. I've diversified. How do I say it? Anyway, Larry Rhodes. Love to hear from you. How you been? Oh, I've been fine. Not doing a whole lot other than working and playing games and watching TV and sleeping. You sound just like me. Welcome to being in your early 30s. You do play. You do go outside and play. I did ride my motorcycle yesterday for about an hour. It was, it was nice. It was nice. It was nice. It was nice. Another thing about Dr. Dino.  And, and his thesis is literally online. You can go and read it, but it's a real nightmare. Just look for, you know, Ken Hovind's thesis and then it'll come up. And one other thing that he did is, you know why he went to the local government and they couldn't pay taxes. They don't pay taxes and telling people that they can't pay. They don't need to pay taxes because. They're being represented without, I mean, they're being taxed without representation and all that. And then his defense went when the, when the IRS actually got them in front of him, his defense was, no, it didn't. Even though you could go online and find his material, though he's selling a course and how you could do it. This is him. This is his mentality that he can just deny anything or say feels that it's covered the the topic. Right. It's a very scary mentality to be like, I could deny reality on my terms whenever I want to, because I have the cheat code because I know the programmer, you know, very bizarre. Yes. It's anyway, it was it was fun. And it's had a lot of views in the last half of the day. I can tell you. OK, guys, we listen to all of your stories. Let me tell you about the greatest competitive match disc golf of all time. Let me tell you, I've been in the disc golf league for the last six weeks. Last yesterday was the last week of the league that my first league being in there, and I had been consistently under par for the last five events, the sixth event. I'm nervous as hell because I want to do better. I want to have the best match. I'm out after work practicing every day and I'm there the day before the event and I'm just stressing out. I'm just figuring out like none of my putts are lining up. None of my drives are coming off the right way. My forehands don't feel like they're connecting. I just need to really chill and calm down. So I went home. I pulled out all my holy books and I looked at them and I threw them away because I don't need that stuff. And I was like, I'm going to win without God. I'm going to do this with me. I'm just going to do it. Me, I want to work my hardest. And I'm just going to figure this out and chill myself out. And I came with three simple rules. One, before I throw anything, I'm just going to do a couple of practice throws. Just make sure my body stays in line. I think that's a practical way to I'm always going to stay positive. And three, if I mess up, I'm going to laugh at it because I don't want to put myself in a bad funk for the rest of the match. So I go up on the very first tee on the very first round. I'm in the chase card, which is like there's a leader card, which is the top four. And then the chase card, which is, hey, you're still playing today. You're still in the running. You might win. I'm like, chase card. I've never been the case card before. That's awesome. So I'm at least top four if I can finish really well. First throw I do perfect, perfect drive line with a zone, which for disc golfers, it's a very overstable putter goes right into the basket, hole in one first shot on the last day of the league. That's my very first shot. I start the round two under and I ride it all the way to win the card eventually. I won rate the the the the chase card. I got four. I got on the Dalian. And I'm freaking out. I had that was some of the best performance I did three times better than I did any other day on any of those competitive leagues all together. I was just really, really happy with the performance. Good thing is I didn't have to. Exactly. I was like, thank God, I didn't thank God. I did it one for the atheist. And let me tell you, there's a lot of Christians in this golf, everyone's name like shows Joseph or Isaac or Ziya.  All right. So that was my weekend. Listen, I also got a really good email yesterday, too. And I want to share it with you guys and probably bring it up as a topic of conversation for today. The email comes from a guy named Chucky Ellison. He says, hi, Tyrone. I'm Chucky. I hope this email still works. It does. I've been work. I've been watching your videos since 2018 and always enjoyed your style. I've been a big fan of SE since 2017 and I recently became involved in the SE community myself. He goes on to talk about his experience where as being Christian and and how he thinks it's a good way to just facilitate conversations. And he invites me on the show that he that he's planning on having. I find it more encouraging that there's different kinds of people who are trying to have conversations with people who don't necessarily believe the same way they do or use different methodologies. I think that's the best way for us to get over that ket hoben closed mindedness. But Chucky does present an interesting question in his email and he asks, how do atheists deal with temptation? And it's not just by the fact that they don't do things. It's the fact that even if they don't do something, they still have to attempt temptation there. It's still present, even if their actions show that they're capable of overcoming it. But how do atheists as a whole deal with temptation and what kind of mechanics do we have to resolve that if we don't rely on prayer or God or faith or things like that? So I know everyone's raising their hands. We'll do a round table. We'll start with Larry. What do you think? How do atheists deal with temptation? OK, before I get into it, you've got a little bit of static going on. I'm hearing now maybe you can adjust while I'm talking. Well, first of all, we don't have nearly the temptations to worry about as the people do who are, you know, religious people. We don't have a celestial body telling us not to do half the things we want to do. The other half is you learn to rely on yourself and you. I mean, we have laws in place that punish people who give in to do many temptations that are against what other people would call their freedoms. And we learn to live within those limitations. And plus, we set up our own limitations and we live by them. Once you once you realize that you can't rely on something supernatural, you learn to rely on yourself. Once you realize you can't rely on the supernatural, you learn to rely rely on yourself. Interesting. OK. John Richards looks like you're raising a hand or finger. Yeah, sure. Well, the Larry's right. We have fewer taboos. You know, if you're allowed to do pretty much everything, then you don't feel guilty and you you don't consider them to have been temptations. So it's only those people who are uptight about things that think they they ought to do because he's naughty that really have a problem. I have a can I put a question on that? So is the crux of the argument that we have fewer temptations or that we have more freedom that inherently just makes whatever temptations do exist, not so taboo? You see what I'm saying? It's two very nuanced points that you're making right now. Are you saying both or what? It's fewer temptations. There's in the in the Christian column of temptations, there's a whole lot of things. And in the in the nonbelievers column, there's not much. Right, right, right. So the list of temptations is very small for us. But the other thing is we accept a responsibility for them, you know? So unlike thinking that God is the one who's directing our actions and that his morals are the ones we should abide by, we actually accept responsibility for our own actions. And therefore we consider whether we should do this whatever it is or whether we shouldn't. So if if what you might consider to be a temptation comes before you, you think about it and decide, no, I'm not going to do that.  For example, I remember to this day, biting my tongue about some nasty remark that I could have said to my father. He's dead now, long ago. But at that time, I realized that if I said that thing, it would ruin our relationship for the rest of our lives. Right. What did I do? I bit my tongue. Interesting, interesting. You know, I once went to KFC last weekend, actually. And I asked, could I have a five piece chicken? And they're like, we don't sell five pieces of chicken. We sell them in two, three, four or six. And I was like, so you sell two and three pieces of chicken, right? Yes. And I there was a moment where nothing was connecting. And I was like, I'm also going to bite my tongue. And I'm just going to I'll just get the six feet, whatever, whatever. It's all good. Anyway, dread, that's a true story. That's an awesome story. So so right off the bat, I have a problem with the word temptation, because in my mind, temptation is an externalization of an interior impulse. You know, David Hume said that reason is the slave to passion. But that's why we must exercise reason in order to overcome and challenge our own impulses, right? The temptation, of course, is the idea, you know, which is worn out by the Bible, that there's a Satan or some evil being that's manipulating humans for which salvation is the only way around that. So recognizing that temptations are nothing but in interior impulses is probably the most important step because people's, you know, often say, well, I couldn't I couldn't, you know, I couldn't avoid the temptation. Yes, you can, because it's an it's an impulse. Yes, it's all happening in here, not out there. Dred, I love that because that was going to be my thing. I was going to say, once you recognize the source of temptation, it becomes a lot easier to control. And that's how we manage it, because we don't subscribe it to a supernatural entity. We don't think it's demons. We don't think it's Satan, you know, trying to communicate or pull our strings in any way. We know it comes from us, right?  And then you realize the the greater benefits of like long term benefits. For example, there is a really great test that's given to kids who are like three to seven years old. I don't know if they do this in England. It's called the pageant test, but it's they'll give kids like one marshmallow. And they say, hey, you can eat this marshmallow right now or five minutes from now. I'll give you five marshmallows. Right. And at three years old, they will eat that marshmallow right there. It's gone. And then they walk out the room because they don't think long term. But as they get to like seven years old or like second grade, third grade, they're like, oh, five minutes, I get five marshmallows. That's way more than I'll wait five minutes.  They'll wait out the time. And then afterwards they get five marshmallows and they're so happy because they were able to pace out. They were able to exercise because they were rationalizing the long term benefits of waiting with temptation. It's the similar thing. I want to go out and eat candy right now, but I know that's not good for my heart. So I get grapes instead because I know that's just as sweet, but it will help me long term as well. And I found that to be a better median instead of getting a bunch of jelly beans. I can get grapes instead, has the same texture, has the same feel, but far more healthy and I can eat them and better in moderation. I get fuller, faster from my diet to the way how I treat people to how I order chicken at KFC. I'm just making sure I'm not burning any bridges and I'm biting my tongue or I'm managing my indulgences and I'm making sure that, you know, I understand where the 10 patients coming from. It's me. I need to change my behavior. I'm taking accountability for it. And I'm hopefully moving forward with the best options or the best methods to to reduce temptations here and in the future. That's my thought. Exactly. It's all about responsibility. It's all about looking at your body and thinking, who made it this fat? Hang on a minute. Who was it was forcing food into this mouth? That was me. Yeah, that was me a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, along with that and and I'll go ahead and dread. I talked enough. I was just going to say that. What's his name? Daniel Kahneman is his book, Thinking Fast and Slow, again, relates to the impulse mind and the reasoned mind. It's a great it's a great read. He won a Nobel Prize for Economics in in essentially what was a psychology book. So definitely a good read, but it really points out in the the two forms, main forms of thought that we have. And that's the impulse thought and the reasoned thought. I also think John Richards was in a really interesting line of thought when he was talking about the freedom, the freedom of realizing you can do whatever you want, because sort of the the care and stick that comes with religion is that if you do this, you're going to get punished for it by a supernatural being that'll see every thought that you have control and get you back with karma or some sort of cosmic justice in some form. It's fear. Exactly. And fear is always never a good motivator for moral behavior. It's essentially the same analogy I threw out where if you shine a line on a cockroach, it'll run away from the light, but it's not doing a moral action. So like when it's not a test of its character to run away from the light, it's trying to survive. So once that stimulus is gone, how is it going to behave after that fact? And that's temptation. It's like, what are you going to do when people aren't watching you? And when your only motivator to do good things is fear, what do you do when you know you aren't being watched anymore? Oh, what's up, John Richards? Go for it. Well, I've got a theory that goes a little bit further than that. It says that if you've been taught that a lot of things are naughty. You might actually want to do them more.  Seventy two virgins and rivers of wine. Yeah. So as a sobering sexual, there's not a lot of stuff in the afterlife for me, both in Muslims or in the Pasifarian universe. That said, the Pasifarian universe just seems like way more fun, because I don't want to be outnumbered by seventy two. But I'm sure there's probably some good distal courses in Pasifarian heaven. Like if I was going to subscribe, I'd probably get one. Hey, George, what's up? Well, nobody ever described anything what these virgins really look like.  Start there. So my my my other thought process with that, I know this is marginalizing because we don't really have a lot of Muslims on the show.  And if it was consent involved, like you're going to run out of virgins eventually, and then you're just going to have seventy two. Women around you, like all the time was like, what's going on here? It's a it's a category that will in itself be a non sustainable resource. That's why we have a stripper factory. You just keep making them. Yes, I like the idea of the virgin status being temporary, because, of course, if you've got a floppy boom. Never very transient for a lot of people, for a lot of people, only last three minutes anyway. There's there's the great callback. I love it. Larry, what do you got? Well, I, you know, I have conversations on the Internet all the time with believers and the ones from Islam have been told have told me that they were renewing virgins. They were renewing. There are born again versions. No, well, they just renewing.  Why do you get their hymens back? No, I wish. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm just going to throw this up. I have read the Quran twice. That is not that is not a passage in that book. But it's well, there are a lot of ideas and there are an awful lot of I know, so you just make up their own stuff. But it's just the sad part where it's like when people say, well, God knew how long the universe was. It was 14 billion years. He knew it wasn't seven days. It's like that's not in the Bible, though. The Bible literally in black and white says seven days. Like, well, my pastor is like, you're just adding stuff. You're post hoc, rationalizing and updated textbook. And we can probably go into more in that, too, because there's a lot of stuff missing from the holy books, including kangaroos. And I want to talk about that more in the second half of the show. Larry, would you mind taking us out? Not at all. Segway. Yep. Stay tuned right here for the second half of the digital free thought radio hour. We're on W OZO radio 103.9 LP FM here in Knoxville, Tennessee. We'll be right back after this short break. Hello and welcome back to the second half of the digital free thought radio hour. I'm daughter five. We're on W OZO radio 103.9 LP FM here in Knoxville, Tennessee. Let's talk a moment about the atheist society of Knoxville. ASK was founded in 2002. We're in our 20th year. ASK have has over a thousand members. And we have weekly in person meetings in Knoxville's Old City at Barley's Taproom, Pizzeria. We meet every Tuesday evening after work around five thirty or so. Go to about eight. Look for us inside at the high top table or on the deck, if it's a pretty day. You were usually the loudest and happiest group there. We also have Tuesday evening Zoom meetings. If you're out of town or don't want to get out of the house, you can join us by emailing us, first of all, at askanatheistatnoxfilatheist.org or let's chat s e at me, I'm sorry, gmail.com. And we'll give you the link on how to join us. You can also find ASK on Facebook, meetup.com or go to their website at Knoxvilleatheist.org. You can also Google Knoxville Atheist and find us. That's just that simple. By the way, if you don't live in Knoxville, you can still go to meet up or do a search for an atheist group in your town. Don't find one. Start one, but where do we want to pick up? I did want to send out a thanks to Checkie Ellison for helping to stimulate conversation. That was a really good question that you sent in. And now I want to switch gears just a little bit. How to funny thought. And I want to run by everybody. So at work and I'm realizing that there is this cool picture of a panda that I saw in someone's background for Zoom conference that we're having at work. And I was like, those are cool animals. And I bet you there's probably bears in every part of the world. Isn't it cool how it diversified such that the bears that are in this place are brown, the ones that are here are white. And the ones that are here are like black and white with these very distinct patterns. And then I thought, you know, I know that and I could I probably have a hard time explaining that to somebody who's only ever lived in one place. But I could at least say, hey, do you see that animal there? That's just brown.  And I'm like, oh, I understand what you're talking about now. The weird thing is that would only make sense to someone who's actually gone outside of a geolock location and was able to explain it. Or if that animal came over to their area, they would be able to see it. But it's a distinct enough thing where it's exotic enough that it'd be an easy thing to explain what it is. And and and basically say, hey, this is abnormal. This is kind of interesting. But I never see sort of recognition of that in the Bible and truly any other holy book or holy scripture. It seems to be the case that people who write those textbooks only write about what they're aware of in their geoland lock location. And so when you write in Mesopotamia Bronze Age, you don't talk about kangaroos, even though you could describe them as like really big rabbits with like with giant feet as big as a person and pouching gloves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And pouches and pouches. It's like that's so bizarre.   The fact that we just take it for granted that I think one of the things that we take for granted for Noah's Ark story is that, you know, all the animals lined up and there are two by two. It's like, yeah, but you're seeing every animal. Don't any of them stand out to you? Like, isn't that even more incredible? Like the diversification of life and how do you if you had made a mention, a single mention of one exotic animal in that list, something that wasn't in your geoland lock location. Couldn't I as an atheist be persuaded by the fact that you're able to recognize something that you wouldn't have access to and say that is definitive proof that something abnormal happened other than just you stating something with such normalcy that I actually now am more unlikely to believe that you're actually seeing all the diversification of life. I feel like I am talking a lot about this. I can run on this for days. Dred, do you have any similar ideas of like why pandas or kangaroos aren't talked about in the Bible or any other holy book? Well, it's clearly just as you say, just in a lack of exposure to those different animals. I take, for example, aphids, which for the great part of their lives go through a process called parthenogenesis, which they just make female and they're all females. They're clones of the females and they produce them off the cornicles at the end of their their bodies and and are able to change into male at a point where a sexual reproduction is necessary. But, you know, Noah would have no idea whether he was looking at a male aphid or a female aphid. It just wouldn't that wouldn't make any sense. Right. Right. John, you got thoughts on this diversification of life as a biologist. It seems to be overlooked. What you're absolutely right. This is an indication of the geocentricity. Of a religion. Religions started in an inner place and spread like a bacterial culture. And so they bring with them the knowledge of that location. If you look at a map, there's a lovely map that shows a circle over part of Israel, which the idea is that all of the major Abrahamic religions originated within that 50 mile radius location. So there they had very narrow horizons. They knew very little about what went on anywhere else. And this is true of a lot of religions. I mean, if you think of the early Egyptian religions, they had a god called Anubis with a head of a dog. And they had another one with a head of an eagle. I can't remember the name of the crane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the hippopotamus god. That's right, because they were they were known about in that part of the world. Right.  They've got it because it existed there. The Christians don't have it because there were no elephants in Jerusalem or wherever they began. And the fantastic point is just to add to this, because I love it, because in Africa or in Egypt, there's the African elephant. And in India, there's the Indian elephant. And they both have elephants, but no one else has elephants. No one else talks about elephants in their religious. That's right. It's the same reason why the only name for the giraffe was the camel leopard, you know, because if you haven't seen a giraffe before, you compare it to what you knew. Right. And it's spotty like a leopard and shaped like a camel a bit. So this is all about discovering the diversity of life after you've invented the your story for the origin of it, which is God done it, you know. But what interests me is that in Latter Day, Christian America, their book, which was forced on to a lot of secondary schools to teach creationism, was called Of Pandas and People. Yeah. Isn't that bizarre?  I just speaking of describing things, you know, we I just I want to get everyone's opinion on this, but I have this weird little tangent. The etymology of the word orange comes after the fruit. The fruit came first, the color came second. But orange from unanclinized versions was originally yellow, red or yellow, red because we didn't have a word for the color in between. We just had yellow and red. We combine them and then eventually got something that sounded like orange. And we named the fruit after that.  There's a history to everything that we take for granted. And it's it's so it's such a process of seeing humanity just desperately cling to things that they know about and make new concepts. And those become the new words that we use for things. And if you don't have those, if you take these blocks that we we take for granted, you see that they're actually components of, you know, very fundamental building blocks. And when you look at religion, it's the exact same thing. You can trace it back to how you have a question, if I may enter up to you. Were there any mosquitoes on the arc? Please. Flies. Yeah, good. They would just come along with it, I'm sure. Take worms. Kevin, Kevin, my venereal disease. Viruses, viruses. I wanted to say. I wanted to say that what this does is it illustrates the very fact that religions are all. What's the word parochial and not and not global, let alone universal. And having, you know, having a big god that can explain everything. What it means is they're all villages. Yeah. And the weird thing is, is if that does make a lot more sense in the idea of, well, how do you fit all the animals on one boat? Well, I only know 20 different animals because there's only 20 different animals in my neighborhood. What do you mean the whole world got flooded? Well, I only am aware of this village. So like if there's a really bad storm here, I can make up that as a story rather than, you know, explain to someone the complexities of the earth and how much water would actually take in order to increase that diameter based on the surface area of the earth itself. It's like, no, it's just a couple of towns. That's that's pretty bad rainstorm right there. The other thing that calls out is when you have people in China write about dragons and dragons existing, but no one else talking about dragons. You think if it existed, other people would talk about dragons or at the end of the Bible, when you have the seven headed, seven legged beings. No one else saw that. It's only that one dude who wrote that in the revelations that saw it. And no one else. There's no collaborative effort to like get these claims. And verified. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, verified. If you're just reading, you're reading the rantings of a schizophrenic. And that's the description of the end of the world for which we all ought to fear. Some respect was just it would be great if it was collaborated by another person who had no access to that person far away enough to where isn't just something that could come about through a convention in Guinea, for say, for example, but rather a Geneva, my bad, or whatever that place is called, who knows who cares at this point. But I'm saying like it'd be nice to have collaboration from desperate groups. Whereas in science, that is how science moves forward. It's how it works. John Richards, you want to elaborate a little bit more because. Yeah, well, I was going to say you talked about kangaroos and I don't know much about the Aborigines religions. But I'm wondering if they had koalas and kangaroos because they were isolated on what had by then become the largest island continent, which certainly the Maori were that way, right? Yeah, and their religions circled around what was local and common to them. And Aztecs had Jaguar based gods. They had human bodies in Jaguar's head. Native Americans had ancestor worship, of course, but they had totem holes that had eagles on it, grizzly bears on it, frogs, beavers, there's just like we picked what's around us. Buffalo. And I want to ask you this. What's the difference between a bison and a buffalo? Go for it. Just tell us. You can't wash your hands in the buffalo. Whoa.  I'll catch up. I'll catch up. I'm trying to find out what that means. I'm mispronouncing. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Our friends in Canada and England are really enjoying the cultural. Look at the silly Americans. So, you know, the weird thing is, as a atheist, I'd actually find that as pretty compelling information that these guys were writing to something that was beyond them, at least, because that would be a hard thing to describe as someone's like, hey, all the animals lined up. And by the way, let me just describe some of these animals, because they're really amazing. I have to I have to take a moment to just describe some of you. There was a bear that had blah, blah, blah. And me as an atheist would have to be like, well, then, how did Noah know about pandas or kangaroos or Komodo dragons? Like, how did he know that viruses were these weird things that live inside of people that aren't technically alive, but can replicate DNA? Like, how did he know about these atheists things? If that was in the Bible and I was reading that, I'd be like, oh, man, I might just stick as a Christian, because this seems to be very compelling evidence of something. Larry, what's up? Yeah, that's true. But there are other things that they bring up in the Bible that nobody seems to care about. Like Jesus raised like three people from the dead. And they the Bible only names one of them, but nobody bothered to ask them what it was like being dead. Not a single one of them. Right.  Nope. Never mentioned. You know, like, hey, hey, Brandon, could you tell us about that time when you were dead for like a couple of days? You know, I'm busy. I'm still I'm still, you know, feeding goats. I got way more important things to do. I just came back from the dead. Sorry, I got to catch you up to do. I got that, Brandon. I'll catch up with you later. We'll come up with a writing system and record this down, because this is an important story. It's like, yeah, I'll come back after I'm done with the goats. I'll tell you all about the afterlife. Yeah, that's not even counting all the people that came out of the graves during the resurrection in the town in Mass. Yeah, so considering that Jesus was only briefly dead, maybe he only had a near death experience. Yeah, though, it's not so much their stories I'm interested in. It's more of like if something happened, it was on a global scale. I want to hear other parts of the world talk about it. Or I want the person who responds to it to impart some sort of insight that's worthwhile that makes me understand that it's not just their limited experience and understanding that's at play here. They're describing things that's clearly outside of their capability of understanding. But the best things that we have is like a bush that's on fire. It looks like it's a fire. It's a bush that's on fire. It's like that's such an easy thing to replicate. Give me something tangible that can be collaborated with something else that I know you want to have access to, because anyone can light a bush on fire. Anyone can take a pole and make it look like a snake. There's poles that already look like snakes. Mangrove science is like you don't have to like come up with these very, very insular, very modest miracles. Just give me something very, very interesting that other people can collaborate. The Red Sea Split. OK. Is anybody else talking about that? Or is it literally just Moses? Oh, that's just a shame. Anyway, Dredd, what do you got? Yeah, I was just going to say, Joseph Smith, isn't that the his attempt to corroborate the story of Jesus as happening with Native American peoples and, you know, having been present here in North America. Very true. But the only problem with the Justice System or is it falls into the same conceits that the only problem. It is basically a guy being like, OK, let's do the American version where now all the Eagles and now there's tree fogs and there's toads. And he's Jesus 2.0. Yeah. And there's Americana in it. But the and which makes it a lot more palatable to Americans. But the problem is, is you're not talking about the things that are outside of America impacting America, like you're not talking about trade or viruses that are coming in or or anything that's going on outside of the purview of just one man who with limited technology who's right in this Bible, you know, just like that's right. It's it's like when the pure story of Winnie the Pooh became Disney fight. Right. Right. Right. Right. It's for me, it's like, man, this is going to be a pool. But it's sort of like when I saw a ready player one, the movie. And I saw the Millennium Falcon and Iron Man in the same scene. And for me, it was like these are both Disney owned properties, but they're in the same movie and it's kind of blowing my mind. Like this is a guy who is now understanding pop culture at a metal level and combining sources that no other character in that universe would be able to put together. I don't see that in the Bible. Whenever I'm seeing the Bible, it's like I am watching an insular movie where only Iron Man exists or only Batman exists and they only know Joker and the Riddler and they don't know what about super fan across the street in another town far away. It's so contained to the understanding and the knowledge of that writer that it's disappointing when they're talking about things on such a grand scale. Yet they have such a limited scope and understanding of the things that they're obviously trying to portray or correlate to a higher power. It's a shame. And I would find it really convincing information if they were able to do it otherwise. Any other final thoughts on that, Dred? Yeah, it actually reminds me of, you know, some of the tenets of screenwriting is that your world must be self-contained, it must be self-consistent. So you it's impossible to speak of things that you don't know of. Even if it's superheroes or magic beings, the universe you create is has to be internally consistent in order to make sense to people. For me, I find it as the Colombo Paradox, where the more perfect the story is from beginning, middle to end, the more it's most likely a lie. Like when Colombo, who's a detective, he will go up to a personal ask, what were you doing last night when this body was found? And they'll be like, I was here. This guy saw me. I dropped off my gloves here. I was there at nine o'clock. I came home, I ate four peas, and then I went to bed. And he's just like, huh, that's a very interesting story because no one I ever talked to knows exactly what they're doing from beginning to end at the hour and stuff like that. That's very interesting. Yeah. And as he's walking to the car, he turns around and he says, one more thing. Right, right, right. Yeah. I want to interject. Almost almost almost short term. What I'm saying is the idea that self-containing stories are so beginning, middle and compact versus what science has. As far as like narrative, the universe was just nothing but unknowns. And we're still figuring out how things are going. Makes me more inclined to believe that one still a process that's trying to discover truth and the other one is a narrative that's being offered to us to keep us from getting to the truth. Go ahead, George. Well, listening to you talk about Disney's ownership of characters that originally appeared in independent children's publications made me realize that Disney is free to take all these characters, these disparate characters that they own and combine them into new stories in which they interrelate with each other. Well, it makes a lot of money. Wait, wait, it begins to sound like Disney has the ability to create their own religion out of all these characters, which they would own and have a patent on. You know, and it reminds me of a certain religion that I've heard about. Yeah. In my head, the MCU already is a religion. I just find it more entertaining by the fact that it's admittedly fiction. And I think that's the crux of it. So, like, I'm totally fine if people are Thor fans, as long as it's the fictional Thor, you know? John Richards, you got any final thoughts on this topic? We're going to last words. Well, you're right. In that respect, there's a near religion of Star Trek, isn't there? They have conventions, dress up, yeah. Cool, Larry Rhodes, final thoughts on this idea. And as in the Bible. Well, no, it's obvious why they just didn't have an omniscient source of information, feeding them information about the rest of the world. All they had was their eyes and ears and what they can see here in their locality. That's all they could report on. They had some imagination, i.e. revelations. But a lot of people I've talked to say that revelations are really just a lot of code for when they couldn't reveal what they were actually talking about or the Romans would get them. Oh, man, whether it's schizophrenia or code, it's not miracle prophecy. Right. So, you know, whichever one you decide, then you're deciding that the chapter of revelations is not supposed to carry that kind of weight. So I've also thought about this is like, what is the reluctance of a powerful, all powerful God that wants to have a relationship with us with just giving us the objective, you know, evidence that exists because the devil knows God exists, yet does not worship God. So like it's not a question of whether or not, you know, God exists or not, that will incline you to worship or a free will issue. It's just make yourself known and then based on our free will or whatever you want to have it will determine whether or not we're worth worship will determine whether we worship you or not, but give us the opportunity to at least know definitively whether or not you exist. And I thought a good way to do that would just at least have a mention of a panda in the Bible or kangaroo or kangaroo. At least then I'd be like, oh, this guy knows things that shouldn't be there at that time. Very interesting. And then, yeah, it's just it's a very bizarre thing. Guys, we're at the end of the show. We're going to do some final plugs. Jared Pirat, anything you like to plug? Yeah, I'm live streaming the show right now. But I start at 7 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We've got a couple of folks on right now, Loma. Hi. And that is Trading Room. Hey, so thanks for coming and joining us. So you can find me at Mind Pirate, M-I-N-D-P-Y-R-A-T-E. And I also have joined John Richards on the Global Atheist Network Review Show, which will be live streamed at 11 a.m. today. This is Sunday Pacific Daylight Time. So look forward to seeing you there, too. Like and subscribe. I'll see you there, too. Yeah, and please subscribe to Mind Pirate, great show. John Richards, you got so much stuff to plug, so I'm just going to throw this in. I'm expecting my trophy in the mail for disc golf. But in the meanwhile, I might even dedicate it to God and put the best hide and seek champion on it. The only problem is we still haven't found God yet. So God, whenever you have a chance, please send us your address. We'll be happy to send you that trophy. Anyway, John Richards, what would you like to plug? Well, it's nice to see you giving in to the temptation to brag about your trophy time. Well, yeah, I want to plug the Global Atheist News, which you guys actually stream it live. I don't. I record it. And I put it out later in the week when I think I need some more content, you know, because I spread it out, make it look as though there's more happening continuously than a bunch of stuff and then nothing. Hmm. So, yeah, Free Thought Productions, that's the place to go. It's a growing channel with more and more interesting stuff on it. And we're just about to have a makeover because Steve, Swedish Steve, has come up with all sorts of better backgrounds and intros and outros and music. And oh, it's going to be fantastic. Nice. What a great guy. I'm hoping to be in my studio for today's show. Oh, great. Yeah, I'm going to finish set in that. So and then also, are you going to be uploading or have you already uploaded your Hoven conversation? Hoven stuff is already uploaded. Yes. Nice. Nice. Wonderful. Larry Rhodes. Listen, we've talked about atheism now between you and I. Feels like for 12 years now. I know it's been a long time. Long time.  You got to get to the point. Can you just like, I don't know, figure out some way to put it in a book or something? Well, maybe I could put it in a book. Matter of fact, I have put it in a book and you can find it on Amazon. It's called atheism. What's it all about? And there is an image of it if you're looking at it just in YouTube. My other content. And matter of fact, most of the content in that book can be found at digital free thought dot com. Be sure to click on the blog button for a radio show archives, atheist songs and many articles on the subject of atheism. My YouTube channel can be found by searching for doubter five or Larry Rhodes. 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