Hey all Dustin Schaefer here. We're gonna talk about teachers nurses and hairstylists just for a second So if you're a teacher hairstylist or a nurse, I said in different order, but you're good We're gonna talk about why you should utilize this product and what's going on. So for 20 years. I've been teaching Health and fitness wellness human performance fat loss body composition. Just just get awesome feel great But the three demographics that I realized that have the biggest challenges This is teachers nurses and hairdressers and here's why the number one reason is that typically you're sacrificing your own Well-being for somebody else meaning teachers. You're doing it for the kids nurses You're doing for your patients and hair styles you're doing for your clientele You're trying you pour in you're such a giver that you tend to give to everybody else and not take care of you So at the age of 25 30 you're doing good.  It's already there, right?   You have a piece of chocolate. You're not gonna feel bad about it after so use this as your insurance policy You don't have to go on a strict perfect diet Just eat when you're hungry and then let's just start to looking at cutting out and create some of those carbs and sugar Is in carbs and extra food that you process food that you don't need don't worry about going to the gym right now Just start doing better as you create momentum and you start feeling better all the other pieces will start to fall in Place you'll start to find ways to get more active. You'll start to get more efficient at your job You'll notice that with this performance enhancement of this the ability to get more done. You're gonna get more done in less time Here's the trick though. Don't give your time away Just because you get more done don't give more your time away Give more time to you take care of you in that extra time that you're gonna gain from drinking this every single day So I just have a big heart for for nurses teachers and hairstylists because I've worked with you all for so long I've seen and felt your frustrations But at the end of the day it's up for you to want to make that shift You have to take care of you you have to become the best version of yourself So therefore you can give more to the everybody else and so it's time for you to take care of you This is the only thing I've ever found that actually works for your demographics Effectively for you not to get overwhelmed frustrated and fall back into another pattern So I hope this helps if you know any hairstylist teachers Nurses share this video to everybody because it's time you're taking care of all of us It's time for us to take care of you. Bye y'all


Welcome folks, we have it now, our industry is trading up $43, Nasdaq is up $37, S&P is up $6.5. Gold. Gold contract, trading up $24.60 at $19.23 an ounce. We have Silver up $0.41, $24.42 an ounce, LightSuite crewed up $49.79, $86 a barrel, notes and bonds. Ten-year note, trading down $14.6 at $1.14.25, the 30-year. Down $20 at $130.01 and the 10-year right now is yielding $3.5 and $Kingdala, $Kingdala down $46, 102, 207, Euro at $108, yen at $127.91, the British pound at $122 to $1 at U.S. Dollar. Well, we're kicking into the long weekend folks and the bottom line is that there is no juice whatsoever out here, man. This is really a trip. So watch this. This is pretty amazing actually and we start talking volumes here. So you have 41 million shares traded. Yesterday, we did 90 million. So that's not what you're looking for when you're looking for a higher price. We go into the NDX100, we take a look at the NDX100, same type of setup in the NDX. Yesterday, we did 60 million, you're at 31. So bottom line is that you're losing altitude as we, well, you're losing volume as we go higher in altitude. That's for sure. Gold. Gold contract up here, did, well, still, we did 213,000 contracts. That's good contract volume. Bottom line is that you're up in a big way. So if we go, let's go look at this one. We'll put the GC continuous contract on and bring this back and let's see what swings we're dealing with here. I'm bringing it back 10 years right now. Yeah. Okay. So you're dealing with that you've already hit the bottom, the lows of the highs, you're through that. So, you know, bottom line, that's saying that you can make that run and the run is 2078 at the top, you know, was, yeah, that's the reality. And it's going to be King Dala, man. King Dala, you take a look at King Dala out here and, you know, it's going to be tough for King Dala to get back inside the range, you know, the higher range that is, because now that higher range is a lot higher than, you're talking about 103,586, so that's 1,300 ticks from where we are. Stay right there, folks. Coming right back.


This is my John Snow look by the way when my hair is just right Okay, we got a slide So at the dawn of the 21st century I was dissatisfied with my home country the US did not fit my values and the customer service was terrible Like I just wanted like a Boda phone kind of level and it wasn't even close So I thought maybe I'm in the wrong country. I looked around the world and really places weren't much better So it's like there's something really strange about this government industry that it's the largest sector in the global economy But the biggest company posts like staggering losses year after year and the worst companies Horror and so that was the puzzle in the early 2000s Most industries are constantly innovating and improving But most governments are barely innovating and they sometimes even go backwards So a lot of people look at government through the lens of Is it moral or does it represent me and I take a different view? I say drop that and just look at government as an industry So what do we see first the firms are massive and we know what that means for innovation and Second the barrier to entry. It's not just high. It's like undefined. You're like De-referencing a null pointer like there's not a process that's known And then the cost of switching providers like moving between countries is really high getting lower year after year But still really high and so from this angle This kind of cuts through all of these other views and just says we have an industry. That's a cartel of Huge companies that have local monopolies and high customer lock-in like of course this shitty service Of course, there's no innovation like the problem is not philosophical It's structural and this view also suggests an answer, right? We've got this legacy industry doing a crappy job. How do we fix it with? Startups with competition. So, you know now I'd reduce this problem of finding a home country for myself to something simple We just have to change the world so that people can create new jurisdictions They can create cities and countries like they start companies today simple, right? I mean not easy but simple So my first iteration was C setting the idea was that by building communities on the ocean We'd open a new frontier where we could create new societies new jurisdictions Then the barrier to entry might be as low as a cruise ship Not because the high seas are lawless. I'm so tired of that. That's not how it works It actually works in a really cool way where each ship registers with a country flies their flag And it's under their jurisdiction almost like a floating embassy. The country is Franchising their sovereignty to the vessel like which is amazing. It's very network-steady and because it's a virtual association In order to have some level of autonomy You just have to find one country anywhere in the world that's willing to create a custom flag for you They want to serve this new market So I wrote a book on C setting in 2004 With little with Pearl script so you could come on on every on every paragraph and then in 2007 Peter Teal funded me to start the first competitive governance non-profit the sea setting Institute And we reached millions of people with the idea of building new societies including some of your audience and speakers here today and We got the message out so well that we were even mark mocked by talk shows Which like now I wear is this total badge of honor Connected to land as libertarians are to reality And you know he wasn't all wrong After starting the Institute my partner and I running it knew that we needed more than a non-profit and some renderings We needed to build So we in 2011 we started working on a medical tourism cruise ship company, which we thought was promising But now let's go back meanwhile Dubai pioneered the modern zone in 2004 They wanted to create a financial center and they knew that their homegrown Sharia law was not a good supportive tech for that product Now laws people most people don't realize that law is open source Meaning it's published freely. It's available. It's copyable. So Dubai Forked London's code base. They copied it and modified it for their own uses Leaving it in English with the rest of their laws in Arabic And they even created their own courts and brought in UK judges who were experienced with this codes base But in 2009 a commas Paul Romer now know Ballori it brought his take on the idea and his analysis of why Expanding the traditional idea of zones to become charter cities Would be an incredible tool for development Many technical details to be worked out But those of us who are already starting to pursue these things can already tell that there's no roadblock There's no impediment other than a failure of imagination Like Dubai Romer's zones would set their own commercial law, but in his model Rather than being set up and run by the country as Dubai did it was set up and run by some guarantor nation that had good laws and high investor trust a Brilliant group in Honduras saw the potential of this idea and they they created the first real-world program Unlike Romer's concept these zones will be developed in a public-private Partnership with a company working with Honduras as the host country. I heard about this in 2011 was like holy crap Like wow like this this stuff is real We can like create a new jurisdiction on land where things are easier to build and so my co-founder and I Pivoted to charter cities After a year of work and the world's first MOU for a charter city with Honduras We realized in 2012 that we were just too early like Honduras had changed their constitution But they didn't have any budget yet like this was like a Google 20% project like kind of nights and weekends like side hustle And so, you know, it was not gonna happen soon We figured it would take years when they get this program and so, you know, we wound things up and did other things In the years after that starting in 2012 to 2017 Bitcoin started showering wealth on people who were highly highly value aligned And this has actually turned out to be critical in my fund the majority of investment dollars Comes from crypto so really important enabler Then in 2017 the Zeta program gave initial approval to Honduras Prospera, which you've seen and heard about here I'm like after 15 years a startup city was finally happening So I saw this as it's gotten real, you know, we're going from dreamers to doers. This is actually happening There's gonna be whole new industry around these ideas. So I started work on Pernoma's capital Which is the first charter city investment fund We closed in 2019 with some incredible backers including the visionary who brought all of us here together today And we fund companies that are actually building like I love that I finally get to show videos of like dirt Like real dirt like dirt is exciting dirt is not a rendering dirt is not an idea or a metaphor dirt is real And you've heard about Prospera and praxis. So I'll show you a few others When I close my eyes Sometimes I imagine a magical sunset Against the silhouette of greenhouse full of fresh fruits and the light cool breeze against a sparkling pond full of tilapia I imagine my son playing in green grass and my family sitting down to a healthy meal in the home I can call my own in the community. I helped to build So that's small farm cities which is turning empty land in Africa into profitable farming villages with microgrid infrastructure and affordable housing Now it Tana in Nigeria has been approved for the first digital free zone in Africa Maybe in the world. This is like a new type of special economic zone that adds incorporation banking and other features And they're building a district for builders where three thousand people will enjoy co-living co-working Restaurants and nature within the hundred and fifty square kilometer lecky free zone, which includes the largest refinery in Africa real dirt and In Palau our company metropolis just got the green light from the president Senate and Congress shout out to lane over there to create an offshore corporate registry where you can incorporate with the laws of Delaware or Singapore or Taiwan remember laws are open source There's nothing to stop a country from importing the laws and precedents of another country like a software library So you'll be able to incorporate offshore with standard documents or port an existing company to Palau like moving data centers keeping all of your documents and This is so real that this week. I am going to prosper to get my genes edited With a treatment only available there like that is real really really real So join us if you want to learn more you can find my podcasts and interviews Follow us on our socials portfolio socials and my DMs are open


Hello and welcome to NewsClick, I'm Anushapol and that's another episode of Daily Roundup. Supreme Court to hear review petition on Shabri Mala verdict, opposing about 60 pleas seeking a review of the Supreme Court's verdict on Shabri Mala in September 2018 that allowed women from all ages to enter the temple. Kerala government has reiterated its stand and has made it clear that the orders should not be reviewed. Four months after it allowed women of reproductive age into Shabri Mala temple, the court today began hearing the review petition challenging its September verdict. The verdict had set off the massive Shree protest in Kerala. The annual pilgrimage season saw violent protests as devotees of Ayyapas, the celibate court tried to stop the women and girls between the ages of 10 and 15 years from entering the shrine. A five-judge constitution bench headed by Chief Justice of India Rajan Gogoay is hearing these petitions. However, the Traven Court Devasam Court which had earlier opposed the entry of women of all menstrual ages has now taken a U-turn, saying that they would respect the Supreme Court verdict. Delhi University teacher's association marched from Mandi House to Parliament Street on Tuesday and demanded the removal of diversity's twice chancellor over his alleged inaction on some of the important issues. Teaching had come to a complete standstill in the Delhi University. Following Duta's call for strike on Tuesday, as thousands of teachers joined the march. The government's delay in promulgating an ordinance bill in the current budget session of the parliament in favour of the 200-point college university and unit-wise roster has put in a danger jobs of a large number of teachers belonging to SC, ST and OBC communities. There have hardly been any permanent appointment in the Delhi University in the last decade. The Duta demanded that the government brings a one-time ordinance to absorb all the temporary and ad hoc teachers. Ever since its government came into power, it has been constantly trying to privatise higher education and Delhi University with its constituent college through schemes like Triprateat, MOU and Autonomous Colleges. The inaction by the vice chancellor on important issues has paralysed the university. The Duta is demanding removal of the vice chancellor for misgovernance. The Duta demanded that all these issues to be resolved at the earliest by the active intervention of the HRD ministry. The association also threatened to intensify its agitation in the coming days. The stringent National Security Act NSA which is aimed at maintaining the public law and order and national security has been invoked against the three persons in Madhya Pradesh, Nadi, Shaqeel and Azam. On Monday, February 4, they were produced before a local court which sentenced them to jail under the NSA. SB Bahugana claimed that the accused were arrested under the stringent law to maintain the peace in the community sensitive areas. However, many of the ground have stated that the Congress is following the footsteps of the BJP government by aiming to give a push to the communal agenda in the state for electoral gains. Previously, in December, after forming the government, Chief Minister Kamal Nath had announced construction of 1000 Gaushala kaushats in the next four months at the cost of Rs. 450 crore and a hike in the allowance for co-fordered to Gaushala from Rs. 4.50 to Rs. 20 per day. The Yogi Adityanath government has imposed an act on all government employees on Monday night, prohibiting them to go on a strike against the government. The act mandates imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year to any person who instigates a strike which is illegal under this act. Despite its imposition on the government, workers have decided to launch a strike starting Wednesday against this new pension scheme. The act is oriented towards bearing strike in all departments and corporations under it for a period of six months. The notification to invoke ISMA was issued by Chief Secretary Anup Chandra Pandey on Monday night.


A plate capacitor usually consists of two round or rectangular conductive plates. These have an area A and are located at a distance D from each other. Both the area and the distance between the plates are two important parameters that geometrically characterize a plate capacitor. So far, there are only two plates. Only when you put positive and negative electric charges on the two plates, the whole setup becomes a plate capacitor. Charge one plate with positive charge and the opposite plate with the same amount of negative charge. So the total charge on one plate is plus Q and on the other plate minus Q. The amount Q is the same on both plates. The positive and negative electric charges on the separated plates now attract each other. If they were free, they would simply move towards each other. But since the plates are spaced at a fixed distance from each other, they cannot do that. From this, you probably already recognize the first possible application of a plate capacitor. If you connect the two charged plates with a conducting wire and a small lamp, an electric current flows from one plate to the other and causes the lamp to light up until there is no more difference in charge on the plates. So with a capacitor, you can store electric energy, but you can do much more with it. For example, create a frequency filter which is built into the charging cable of your smartphone and is there to protect the microelectronics from external electromagnetic interference. But that is by far not all. Capacitors are all around us, even now in this very room. So it's worth getting to know them a little better. If you place a small charge Q that is freely moving positive test charge directly on the positive plate, positive plate repels the positive charge and the negative plate attracts it. The free charge experiences an electric force F inside the plate capacitor which accelerates the test charge straight ahead. The charge accelerates until it reaches the opposite negative plate. Before it hits the plate, it has received a velocity V from the acceleration and thus also a kinetic energy W. This energy which the charge has gained by moving from one plate to the other is characterized by the electric voltage U between the plates and is shown in a drawing for example like this. Electric voltage U between two plates is the energy W that is small sample charge gains when it moves from one plate to the other divided by the charge Q. So voltage is energy per charge. You can influence the voltage between the plates and thus also the energy gained from the test charge by charging the plates even more. That is increasing the charge on both plates. Then the electric force on the test charge will increase. The test charge would then accelerate even more and thus achieve a greater speed at the end so gaining greater energy. If you double the electric charge Q then the electric voltage U doubles as well. A test charge would then gain twice as much energy when it moves from one plate to another. Charge and voltage are proportional to each other where the constant of proportionality C is the so-called capacitance. Its unit is club per volt or farad for short. The capacitance indicates by how much the voltage U changes when the charge Q on the plate is changed. Capacitance is an important characteristic quantity of a capacitor which depends mainly on its geometry that is on the distance D and on the plate area A. The capacitance also depends on the material with which the space between the plates is filled. Here we assume that between the plates there is a vacuum or at least only air. You can calculate the capacitance of a plate capacitor as follows. Capacitance C is the electric field constant epsilon zero multiplied by the plate area A and divided by the distance D. So to find out the capacitance of a plate capacitor you only have to determine the plate area and measure the distance between the plates. To get the largest possible capacitance of the plate capacitor you have to make the plate area as large as possible and the plate distance as small as possible. No matter where you place the charge inside the plate capacitor it will always move straight ahead to the other plate everywhere and experience the same force F. A force field that is the entirety of all force vectors in space is homogeneous here. Homogeneous means that it doesn't matter where you place the test charge. The test charge experiences the same electric force everywhere in the plate capacitor. You can calculate the force on a test charge. The force F is without deriving the formula here test charge Q multiplied by the voltage U and divided by the distance D between the plates. The force on a test charge is therefore greater if the test charge Q and the voltage U are greater and the plate distance is smaller. If you divide the force F by the test charge small Q you get the quantity electric field E. So the E field is nothing else than force per charge. The electric field E in the plate capacitor is determined by the voltage and the plate distance. The greater the voltage and the smaller the distance the greater the electric field. Since the force field is homogeneous the electric field in the plate capacitor is also homogeneous. Instead of drawing the vector arrows the electric field is often illustrated with field lines. On such a straight line the test charge then moves.


From the heart of the jungle comes a savage cry of victory. This is Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle. From the black core of dark Africa, land of enchantment, mystery and violence, comes one of the most colorful figures of all time. Transcribed from the immortal pen of Edgar Rice Burroughs.  And now, in the very words of Mr. Burroughs, the story of the volcano of the sun. At the base of a giant crater in the dense jungle of South Africa, was the village of Latoko. From stories of their ancestors, the villagers knew well what disaster could strike, if they angered their god, the great volcano of the sun. Targo, chief of the Latokos, had sent two villagers to offer a sacrifice of wild animal skins to the hungry monster. After three days had passed without the return of their brothers, fear found the hearts of all in the village. The chief with his beautiful daughter, Kala, by his side, spoke to the frightened villagers. My people, we have waited three sons for the return of our brothers. The voice of the mountain grows louder each day. Hold back your fears and pray to the great god of the sun, for we must not anger him. If Kordor and Samar do not return, we shall know that it is the will of the great rumbling god. Here he comes, it is Kordor. What is it, Kala? My eyes are no longer young. It is Kordor, my father. He comes down path from rumbling mountain. And Samar, what of him? Kordor carries him. He does not move. Speak, Kordor. Say what has happened to Samar. He is dead. Who did this? My eyes did not see. Samar and I were parted in darkness of mountain. I heard him cry out. This is how I found him, his life running from a wound in his side. And now he has gone to long sleep. We must learn who did this evil. Samar tried to speak on mountain. Did you hear his words? He said, get Tarzan. Tarzan, he, the lord of the jungle. His words were false. Tarzan has been our friend. It is hard to understand. Many things are hard to understand. But this I know. The people of Letoko do not question the words of a dying man. Tell our people to prepare. Make jungle talk. We must find Tarzan. And the lord of the jungle will pay for his crime with death. We will continue with Tarzan in just a moment. As in civilization, bad news travels fast in the Congo. Tarzan, deep in his jungle home, heard the drums and knew their meaning. The lord of the jungle was wanted for murder. With Chimbo, his faithful chimpanzee by his side, Tarzan prepared for a journey to the village of Letoko. But the drums were not the only warning. Ganji, a native friend of Tarzan's, had also heard the message and had rushed to meet the bronzed white sun. Ganji, what brings you here so far from your village? Great lord of jungle, you must flee. People of Letoko are hunt for you.  I know, I've heard the native drums. Then run. Do not let them find you. If you have killed native, as they say, I know it was for good reason. But Letoko people are angry. We'll not listen to you.  I have no idea why they suspect me. I must go to Letoko and prove my innocence. I come long way to warn you, Tarzan. I have seen their anger, maddened faces. They will not believe you. You have long been my friend, Ganji. Yes, that is why I have come here. And you believe that I did not kill the native? Tarzan's word always good. I believe you. Well, then you must know that I cannot let these people continue to think of me as a murderer. I must go to Letoko. But how can you convince them? They must think they have proof of your guilt. Whatever their proof is, I must learn the truth. Then there is nothing I can do to stop you. No, Ganji. Face this alone and find the reason for the Letoko's anger with me. The jungle is my home and I will never rest until I am cleared. Then I wish you luck, Lord of Jungle. I will pray for your safety. Jimbo? Jimbo? Come, Jimbo. We go to Letoko. I must hurry. What is it, Carla? Tarzan, the Lord of the jungle walks into our village. Cordo, seize him. Bring him here to my hut. Father, does this not mean something to you? Tarzan's crime is great. He comes to give himself up to the vengeance of the great God. Who would a guilty man walk into our village? The Lord of the jungle could not be a murderer. You listen to your heart, pretty one. I know your feelings for the bronze Dwight's son. Chief Tarzan, here's Tarzan. So, Tarzan, you come to pay for your crime. I know nothing of this murder. Sama was my friend. I believe your words, Tarzan. Thank you, Carla. What I fear your father does not hear the truth of those words. Father, you must listen to Tarzan. He has done many good things for our people. What he has done for the people of Letoko is in the past. Now he has killed one of your brothers. His punishment must be strong. Is there not some way I can make you see your mistake, Chief Tago? I want to help you find Sama's killer. The Great Mountain has found the killer, Tarzan. The rumblings tell us. You believe that the volcano's action is caused by this murder? The mountain will be still when Sama's death is revamped. Father, you can't. Go, Carla. I will speak to Tarzan alone. But, Father... Oh, baby, Linda. Yes, Father. Gordo, bind Tarzan. Bind him tightly. The strength of the Lord of the jungle is great. I offer no resistance, Chief Tago. I must convince you of my innocence. I was many miles away at the time of Sama's death. You travel swiftly, Tarzan. I know your ways. And you know my ways do not include murder. Sama's death has ended our friendship. I go now to prepare Tarzan's punishment. Our guard is angry. Tarzan must be sacrificed. Then the Great Mountain will be silent. Gordo will stand guard outside. Do not let Carla near Tarzan. Her heart will not let her head hear the truth. Adieu, my Chief. Gordo. Gordo, you are with Sama. Surely you do not believe I killed him, do you? I believe what I hear. Sama spoke your name. Then even you will not listen. I listen only to rumblings of mountain. They alone tell me what must be done. Alone in the hut, bound and helpless, the Lord of the jungle waited silently for his doom. Outside stood Corrado, his trained eyes alert. No human could gain access to Tarzan's prison. No human, but... Chimbo. Standing on the ledge of the window, outlined by the moonlight, was Chimbo, chattering excitedly. And that Chimbo... Saidia... Allaga Watuli. Tarzan spoke to Chimbo in the strange language that he used with the beast of the jungle. Perhaps Chimbo did not understand the words, but something, the tone perhaps, carried the idea that the Lord of the jungle wished to convey. Chimbo hopped off the window ledge and disappeared into the darkness. Only to return moments later with Tarzan's request, a rock. Chimbo moved obediently behind Tarzan. The Lord of the jungle worked swiftly, scraping his bonds on the jagged edge of the rock. The heavy rope gave way under the relentless force. Seconds later, the bond snapped and Tarzan was free. Good, good, Chimbo.  Be silent. We go to the volcano. Perhaps there we will find the answer to this mystery. Tarzan's escape aroused the village of Letoko. The angry natives crowded around Kurdo, who could not answer their questions about Tarzan's seemingly magical disappearance. He is gone. How he left, I do not know. Surely the Lord of the jungle is possessed of many mysteries. His innocence has freed him. His escape has angered our God. We must pursue Tarzan. Trikes lead to the great mountain, Chief Tago. Then we shall follow his tracks. Come, my people. Bring fire to light the way. The Lord of the jungle will not escape the vengeance of the great mountain. On the face of the giant crater, high above the village of Letoko, Tarzan's jungle bread senses quickly picked up a clue to the mystery of Sama's death. He smelled the scent of white men.  Then suddenly, down, Chimbo! A tremendous explosion rocked the great mountain. Tarzan looked up to see a gaping crevice open in the side of the crater, blown out by the force of the explosion. Move quickly, Chimbo. We must find the white men. Before long the whole mountain will sprout forth death. Ahead of Tarzan, in a camp lit only by the light of a small fire, sat two men, Al Spencer and George Barton, silently eating the warmed contents of a tin can. Suddenly and without a sound, the bronzed white son of the jungle was before them in the flickering light of the fire. Who are you? I'm Carl Tarzan. What do you want with us? I will ask the questions. What do the white men want on the sacred mountain of Letoko? We are hunters. Yeah, hunters. I see no skins drying at the fire. You eat from cans. Not as a hunter would do. Now look here.  What do you mean? You do well to leave this mountain quickly. The volcano is given warning. What we do is our business. The jungle is my business and what you do here concerns me. You will answer my questions. We'll answer nothing. What do you know of the murder of a native? Get out of here! Barton rushed to the lord of the jungle, lashing out with his fists. The two men met in combat. Spencer jumped on Tarzan's back. They rushed to side like an annoying insect. Spencer crashed to the ground. Alone Barton was no match for the powerful Tarzan. The lord of the jungle grasped the white man in a vice like grip. Spencer, behind the fighting men, picked up a heavy hunting rifle. Slowly he moved toward them. Then Spencer swung the rifle in a vicious arc. Tarzan went down in an unconscious heat. I got him. He would have killed me. He's as strong as a bull. This rifle is stronger. It cuts these big guys down to size. But I thought it was just jungle talk. He's some kind of a legend. He don't look like a legend lying there in the ground. But what would he want with us?  What could he know? Nobody could connect us with that? Suppose Tarzan's got some kind of proof. Wouldn't do him any good. What do you mean? He won't be bothering anyone for a long time. Let's get out of here. How do we get one more hull of diamonds out of that crater?  You heard what he said. This whole mountain's going to blow its top. There's still a fortune in there. We're going to get it. Look. Look down there. That line of torches. The whole village is on the way up here. Let's get in that crater. We'll make a fast haul and get up to the other side. They'll never follow us inside. What about Tarzan? Leave him here. You heard what he said about killing that native. They think he did it. Now come on, let's go. Those natives will make short work of him. If this mountain don't get him first. We will continue with Tarzan in just a moment. Struck down on the face of the volcano, Tarzan lay motionless as the angry villagers of Latoko drew nearer. Chief Tago and Kurdo led the procession in pursuit of the lord of the jungle. Kala, the chief's lovely daughter, struggled valiantly to keep pace with the aroused men. Look. Let us Tarzan. He is hurt. He has been struck down by the great mountain to await his punishment. Look. Look. He moves. He looks, but he does not speak. Tarzan. Oh, father, his eyes speak his innocence. Be silent, Kala. He shall be sacrificed to the volcano of the sun. Rise, Tarzan. He no longer even protests his innocence. Perhaps the flames of the volcano will bring back his tongue. This time the lord of the jungle will have no chance for escape. Oh, father. My people, our village shall be saved from a mighty anger. Come. We go to the mouth of the hungry mountain. Spencer. Spencer, let's get out of here. We've got wealth enough to license a lifetime. I want more. Keep digging. But the volcano, it's ready to blow.  What? What was that?  You're hearing things. I'm getting out of here. You couldn't find your way five feet without me. Now quit complaining and keep digging. I don't like it. No, but you'll like what these diamonds look like once we get them out of here and back to civilization. If we get them out. What do you mean if? I've come as close to death as I want to come.  Quit worrying about Tarzan. By now, those savages have killed him. What about this roaring volcano? The natives can't stop that from getting us. Have you all right about that? Maybe nothing. Diamonds aren't going to do us any good if we're blown sky high. Okay. Grab this stuff and let's go. Come on, this way. Are you still silent, Tarzan? Though the boiling black lava below beckons. Oh, father, I beg you. Our God commands us. Only if Tarzan's death will appease his anger. Come forward, people of Ladoko. Hire the guilty one into the steaming depths below. Oh, come on. What? What is this chimpanzee doing here? Chimbo. Enough of this. Wait. Wait. Look. Look at the blue clay covering chimbo. Can you not read its meaning? Blue clay means diamonds. And those shiny baubles have brought two white men to your sacred volcano. Though this be true, I... Wait, wait, Chief Tago. The volcano is about to erupt. Only I can stop your guard from spilling its molten death over your village.  I will command the mountain to spread its destruction in another direction. Believe him, father. Perhaps Tarzan speaks truth. We must wait no longer. Tarzan must die. Great Chief. Great Chief. I... I will prove my innocence. Tarzan. Father, he runs into the sacred volcano. Stop him. He has entered the mouth of the mountain. Surely he has gone to his death. Inside the rumbling volcano, Tarzan ran with sure steps along the ledge of rock. Chimbo scampered in front of him, leading the Lord of the Jungle into the blackness. They reached the spot where Barton and Spencer had been digging. The white men were gone. They leave an easy trail, Chimbo. The strange companions race together along the path left by the white men. Seconds later, Tarzan caught the glint of a rifle ahead on the narrow ledge. Easy. Easy, Chimbo.  Who's there? You must pay for your crime, white men. It's Tarzan. Stay back, Tarzan. Come closer and I'll shoot. I do not fear your guns. Where is he? I can't see. A bullet will stop him. He's got a hole in me. One mistep and you're done. Gone to his death. Tarzan. You also will fall to the steaming earth below if you do not say who killed Samar. Who killed Samar? The volcano. You will confess to the people of Latoko? Yes, yes. Can I get me out of here? Follow me. Outside on the edge of the crater, the people of Latoko stood in frightened silence as they suddenly saw the lord of the jungle emerge from the blackness of the crater and with him a white man. The torches of the villagers cast an eerie glow as Tarzan dragged his captive to chief toggle. Tarzan, who is this? Speak, white man. We killed him. My partner and I. We killed the native. Chief, to the volcano. People must flee chief toggle. My shame is great for the wrong I have done you Tarzan. Surely the great god of this sun will punish me. You must hurry. Take the white man and flee swiftly to the other side of the mountain. The mountain will cover my village with death. Your village will be safe. The lord of the jungle has promised you that. Follow Tarzan. Calla, where is Calla? She is not with me. I thought she was... The mountain of the mountain. She went after Tarzan. My daughter, we cannot leave her. Lead your people to safety chief toggle. The mountain shakes. You cannot go back in there. I must find Calla.  Explosion tore part of the ledge from under Tarzan's feet. His hand grasped quickly to the rocky wall. He clung precariously as he inched his way to solid footing. Calla! Tarzan peered through the darkness and saw the frightened native girl. She stood on the ledge. Her back pressed against the jagged rock. The rumblings of the volcano became more violent. Threatening to shaker off the ledge to a boiling death below. Tarzan reached the girl, grabbed her and threw her over his powerful shoulders. The ledge behind them was gone, with Calla clinging to him. The lord of the jungle, hand over hand, scaled the inside rim of the crater and made his way to the top. On the face of the crater, Tarzan and Calla dashed in the direction of the village. The mountain seemed ablaze. Rocks fell around them. Tarzan pushed Calla to the ground and shielded her with his own body. Then when the rocks stopped falling, they raced after Chief Tago and the villages of Letoko. Look! You'll be safe there! Come, my people! We will trust Tarzan for this miracle! Where is the white man, Barton? Death fell on him from the mountain. The rocks? Yes. The volcano of the sun has had its vengeance. Tarzan and the natives turned to see the night sky filled with glowing death. Molten lava poured from the mountain, but its path was not toward the village of Letoko. The lava cascaded down the opposite side through the gigantic crevice. Lord of the jungle commanded, the volcano of the sun obeyed. Let us return to Letoko. Beast has come once again to the village of Letoko, Tarzan. Can you forgive me for not knowing the truth? Chief Tago, when the reason is just, Tarzan forgives easily. What of my feelings now, Father? Your heart, Kala, spoke the truth. But why did Sama utter the dying words, get Tarzan? Well, they were not meant the way they were taken. Perhaps he was crazy with fever and pain. No, no, no. Sama meant to get me to help, not for murder. He saved my life once long ago, and I told him if he ever needed help to call upon me. His call was well answered, Lord of the jungle. I must go now. I've been absent too long for my jungle home. You see, Chimbo was also anxious to go. I will walk with Tarzan to the edge of the clearing. Goodbye, Chief Tago. Goodbye, Tarzan. Kala will miss you, Lord of the jungle. I will miss you too, Kala. Tarzan? Yes, pretty one. What magic did you use to make the great mountain spill its death away from our village? Oh, that was not my doing, Kala. But you said... I said only what I already knew. The volcano had split a crevice in the side of the mountain. The lava had to go that way, and your village was on the opposite side. Then you knew. Yes, pretty one. And now, farewell. Goodbye, Lord of the jungle. We'll return in just a moment to tell you about next week's Tarzan adventure. Somewhere over the upper Congo, a parachute burst down into the jungle. Suddenly Tarzan's peaceful world became a world of violence and treachery, involving a theft of diamonds and a murder from which for Tarzan, there seemed no escape. Listen to this strange adventure when Tarzan finds himself trapped in the jungle smoke. Heard in our cast were Jack Moyles, Elizabeth Root, Frank Gerstle, and Jan Arvin. Tarzan, a transcribed creation of the famous Edgar Rice Burrows, is produced by Walter White Jr. Volcano of the Sun was prepared for radio by Robert Schaeffer and Eric Freewall, with original music by Albert Glasser. This is a Commodore production. Listen to our next story, Jungle Smoke, another thrilling episode of The Lord of the Jungle.


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Well, today we have a short discussion about the Jenkins distribution packaging service. This is a desktop project ID, which has been proposed by Rick, who is on the call. So we will just use this opportunity to think up about the project ID and about our expectations. Because in fact, there were two parallel discussions, one in the mailing list and in JSOC channels. Another track was at the contributor summit in Brussels, where we discussed pretty much the same idea but from different angle. So I wanted to use this meeting as an opportunity to align with regards to the presentation and maybe to build a more detailed proposal or document which would include expectations from sides. Does it make sense? Yeah, perfectly. Yeah, so did everyone have a chance to read this meeting from Brussels? I didn't have a ready to because due to my understanding, there was not that much documentation here anyway, but we were good some and Chris, did you have a chance to go through this proposal? I might have briefly looked at it. So since I participated in both stories, so my understanding that here we try to build the service with some examples of what would be included. The discussion at the contributor summit was about how to define the packages and what should be inside there. So yeah, these stories are definitely complement each other and I was wondering whether we could just set some expectations here so that students reading through this project basically follow the expectations and also define the contributor summit. So basically concept of meta packages for different technologies and purposes and also we discussed here. I have a question about the meta packages and I think I don't have fully understand what the meta packages are. So it's like imagine a package that doesn't have any code of its own but basically it's just a manifest and that manifest specifies all the packages it will depend on. So if you install the meta package, then it installs all of the dependent packages. Like a project for just a container.com.exe, that would be a good example. Yeah, so in Jenkins we have some examples of that. For example, there is pipeline aggregator plugin. Basically, I guess it's called just pipeline. Yeah, it's just called pipeline. So this plugin doesn't include any functionality on its own but it pulls in dependencies which are pipeline and basically if you install this let's say meta package you get all the pipeline plugins for core functionality. So above this idea, maybe different use cases like AWS or GitHub will have several meta data package projects, right? Yeah, conceptually there would be one meta package for each cloud provider and then for stuff like VCS I guess you could bundle up the Wifi branch thing and the GitHub kind of check out thing and that would be a GitHub meta package if that makes sense. Okay, from my point, we need to consider the database of course GitHub can be a database or you can use like a Mexico or other circle database. Because if we have a lot of meta packages projects, maybe I don't know, I don't know if it's good or bad. Just want to hear what you think. It would be reasonable to shortlist some of the popular ones like a lot of people will want the AWS thing because they're running Jenkins on AWS and a lot of people want the Azure equivalent because the Jenkins is on Azure. So you could and indeed I think there is already a mechanism when you first start Jenkins that it suggests packages that you should have. I think Jesse sent that to us in the email for it. Yeah, there is installation wizard. This installation wizard is a bit outdated. Yeah, this recently started doing the documentation seek. So we are working the plug-ins side and just a few days ago we added technology labels. So for example, now you can search for AWS plugins for Asia plugins or Google Cloud or several other technologies and we started grouping these plugins. So for example, here you can see a bunch of plugins for Asia. This is just the first step and hopefully we will expand that to the installation wizard and to the plugin manager. But it's yet to be done. So it was made possible because now we support GitHub topics as a source of labels. So we can pull in a lot of information and now plugin maintainers can easily manage that. So hopefully in a few months we will get a good database which we can use for other stories. Yeah, I think I just announced it yesterday. It's making your plugins discoverable with labels and GitHub topics. But yeah, I hope that you could use some results of these stories. Rick, your concern was about backup functionality, etc, right? Yes. For me, one of the difference of what is documented here. So yeah, should Jenkins bundles with Shafantin for coming with cases. So it includes Jenkins plugins and extra configurations. So my understanding of the meta package originally was that it would also include configurations so that we could get, okay, how I call them ready to fly Jenkins images. I think I've like in my head, at least I've scaled that back a bit to make the meta packages more sort of single responsibility. I suppose, I mean, meta packages could exist without the distribution customizer service. Providing there was a way to version pin which there is not currently in a standard plugin. Yeah, so I've kind of cut their definition down a bit, at least in my view.  So generalizing what that's doing to allow people to prepack, like configurations and stuff, that would certainly be a component of the distribution system as a service. Right. So basically, what's recommended here, so common configuration and other things. Would it include a sort of a builder section where users could build their own custom Jenkins with a maybe simple user interface that allows a normal who are not much familiar with Jenkins configuration as code and sort of configuration management as such to be able to configure their own custom Jenkins package, for instance. I think there is definitely an idea to have like a user interface for doing it. Yeah. So it's rather a service. But yeah, if you can run this service on your own, then I guess it addresses the tooling use case as well. Okay. So basically, if I understand correctly, we would want the service to be able to sort of have, I mean, make certain Jenkins distributions that are most commonly used like the AWS one or the GitHub one, more accessible to users, or is it just to build their own Jenkins service, I mean, service, for instance, with their custom package? It could do both, right? If it can allow anyone to specify their own Jenkins setup, then presumably, the outcome of that can be saved and then stored somewhere. Okay. Okay, let me just write that down. It was listed somewhere, just a second. Yeah, it was the trade. So here, there is a message from Ramon about a way to share configurations, et cetera. So yeah, share. I think we can have two parts of the solution. One of it comes from maybe like officials. Another part is comes from users. We do not guarantee the quality or risks. Just we can store their solution. Maybe other users can find one of them and just reuse it. So I think we need a database to store the history recorded. Could that be done via GitHub repository is much like the way Helm charts are defined for Kubernetes? It could be. So yeah, I can show you example how it's done now for some projects. Okay, probably not the best. Start from the Spring Boot documentation. You mean Jenkins for Spring Boot or? No, the Quick Start section as a link. Yeah, so you mean Spring Boot builder? Just a second, I'll find it. That could be an example. Is it on this? Yeah, if you just type the Spring Boot, Quick Start, you'll probably get it. Yeah, that's the amount of this service. Yeah. So this is the service which is usually presented by Josh Long when he says built a jar of smart words or something like that. But yeah. Yeah, so here you can select languages you want to use some technologies. I guess you can request some different dances like. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, not sure what I'm doing, but after that you can generate your setup. So for example, for Java 13, why not? You can click button and you get this demo which is generated with all these specifications. This is what this service does. And if I understand correctly, the idea by Rick was to have something like that, but which would generate specifications for custom word packages, right? We can imagine that we use Jenkins like we go to a supermarket, we just pick up what we want, maybe we don't need too much about the details of the technology. We just, for example, we want to use Jenkins under Java level and then we want to, we want the Jenkins wrong in Kubernetes cluster and then the user just clink the button and get what you want. Okay. There was a line that you highlighted in the email chain that the share your Jenkins configuration, I think it was. So that almost is what our central tooling team does workplace. So we have like this team that works on producing a standard Jenkins template, which is the product teams because currently we don't have a centralized Jenkins in the understanding as the teams, the product teams run their own, they all from this template. They see it was ready to fly Jenkins. They plum in sort of, you know, they get a API key to let it start cloning things and off they go, or at least that's the theory. And because we run our stuff on AWS, not Kubernetes yet. That tends to be, that's a big pile of Terraform and the Jamel thing, the configuration plugins are pre-installed. I don't know if the team's using custom or package here or if they're just shoving them on a Docker image. But yeah, that's kind of what we're at the moment. That's our results. Share your Jenkins, if you like. And it's, of course, massively laborious to do. Yeah, there are dozens of different shared configurations in the net, which are based on Docker packaging. So for example, this is just one my old to demo, which basically extends Jenkins Docker image in standard base injects YAML there and you get everything working. Yeah, custom work package it was one step forward because custom work package are intended to switch all these custom scripts. So you can see that there is shells there, but there is Docker file and other things. So the intention of custom work package was to provide a single YAML based definition, which would define what you want to get in your Jenkins. So here you can see that you specify a word file, you can specify plugins, configuration is called like that, or just by including text, and then you get your instance running defined by a single config. And since it's YAML, it would be more compatible with Helm charts and these other things like let's say one could create a special operator and Kubernetes for Jenkins or special Helm charts with using case and other configuration. So that's why we were heading with custom work package as a definition. Well, a tool right now is a new alpha because I started doing major work and I put it in alpha just because I want to change the format, but the tool is there and it's usable. Then there are some examples in public which demonstrate using it for package and Jenkins. But yeah, in this case, there is still a lot of files on the top of it, but still there is a config. Which actually looks like that because I use pomeximal as an input and using dependable to bumper my plug-in dependencies and same for other files. So it's probably not really cool as an example. But yeah, the service is there. So if somebody wants to just explore how it could be done by a single configuration. Yeah, you can take a look at that. Yeah, that is a bunch of them for different cases. So I was working on a proof of concept with the custom warpackager could, I mean, could we, so basically, maybe we could take in from the user interface at the front end, what sort of plugins and configurations that the user needs and then generate the YML file. And then the custom warpackager could just take that YML file and generate the instance. That would be a good proof of concept, I mean, for this project. Yeah, it could be possible. Okay. Moreover, we have some examples of tools doing that. For example, there is support core plugin. Plugins, you can say your support core. So this plugin generates support bundles. For example, we use them for support purposes, but it's generally handy for different kinds of analysis. And it also generates a docker file which allows to partially create the instance. Without full configuration, but it dumps to docker files, plug in lists and other things. So you can partially recreate the user's instance. Yeah, if you want to create something more sophisticated, which exports the Jenkins definition, it's totally possible. Okay. Okay. So studying is definitely experienced with the JCASK YAML export by now. Yeah, definitely. It's a project, but it's a separate site of an export. Yeah, definitely. So I was, maybe I could try building a proof of concept for this project while making my proposal, yeah. I'm definitely interested in this project. So yeah, any sort of point as helpers would be really helpful. It will definitely make the life of our tool team easier.  So the nice thing with a UI for generating it is it takes the guesswork away. So I guess your is, what is actually? Well, this proposal includes your and frontend part. But yeah, I think that it would be nice to have a boss eventually. Well, personally, I'm not a frontend developer at all. So somebody else could provide insights how it could be built, but as the link said, spring examples and the other configurator examples could be a good source of inspiration. Okay, one question I had. Could we use the installation wizard for using the provider sort of frontend or taking in all of the common plugins? Because when I install the instance, I guess the installation wizard does provide us with the most commonly used plugins, right? It provides most commonly used plugins, but it doesn't provide plugins sets per se. So for example, yeah, I can just launch it properly. Do you have a book from Yank? I have no idea which version I'm going to run. Okay, I'll clean it up later. Sorry, yeah, I can just show it, but yeah, the main problem with the current step wizard that it provides you suggestions, but after you see these suggestions, it's still not, there is no meta packages, which Chris was referring to. So if somebody wanted to implement that, it's still needed on the installation wizard. So it might be an interesting feature. The key sticky thing with the meta packages is the versioning, the ability to pin the versions to ensure the stuff works together. And as Jesse pointed out, that doesn't currently work on community Jenkins because everything else. Thank you. There are some examples, for example, Jesse was working on a bill of materials for plugins. So these bill materials mostly focuses pipeline ecosystem because test the dependency for pipelines is an item I had to manage. So Jesse was mostly addressing this use case, but technically something like that could apply it on the user side. So there is a repository Jenkins SEI bomb. So somebody could implement the same pipeline for testing and automatic dependency updates, let's say for AWS plugins. Well, if you have good SEI for that, then it could be run in a mostly non-traumatic way. I wonder if we might end up with a case if there are two separate bombs, so this one and the SEI one for AWS, that if there are any shared dependencies between them and there are incompatibilities, then the two bombs will sort of conflict with each other. I don't have a good answer to this question because, yes, they will. It's pretty annoying, isn't it? Well, CloudBees results that by having a super package of something like 200 plus plugins, which we provide as CloudBees assurance program. So we integrate integration testing of everything together. But if you wanted to have meta packages, it would be a separate story. Yeah. And I kind of wonder how much value there is in the meta packages if we can't pin versions because the idea is that they should improve the reliability of the experience. And if someone in the stores and they go, oh, hey, AWS plugin X doesn't work with AWS plugin Y, then, yes, not great development experience. Yeah, I totally agree with you. But at the same time, something is better than nothing because right now you have to figure out dependencies between all plugins. And actually with meta packages, at least you would have some domains so that you would know where the intersection with the problem. And it could be problem mitigated by proper organization of meta packages. So for example, pipeline, core pipeline plugins could be a single meta package, like what is pipeline aggregator doing, more or less. And the technology packages like Kubernetes, Docker could be built on the top on that. But yeah, it's yet to be implemented. Your starting point, yes, there is installation wizard. But yeah, I would argue that it doesn't get you where you would like to get. So you can see that it's basically just a set of recommended plugins. And since we didn't really spend much time on keeping it up to date. So let's say one wants to use Jenkins with Docker, we don't have a way to do it here. Okay. So for me, that's why I started from labeling and grouping plugins on the plugin side and update center side. Because eventually it could at least provide data at least for maintenance action decisions. Right now there is no. Okay. Okay, I'm not sure what's going on. I will just kill it. So wrapping the custom WarPackager using a REST API would probably serve some of our purposes while at least downloading, I mean, at least providing users with an interface to at least install the most used plugins using a sort of simple user interface than a YAML file. Yeah. It could solve the issue. So one thing you would need to keep in mind, it's for your information reek that custom WarPackager, even if it provides Docker file. So technically in your service you can spin a container which builds an image for user. The problem is Docker packages because right now it doesn't support to docker in Docker and custom WarPackager just generates a Docker file. So if you wanted to run it inside Docker, you would need to have something like panic and whatever, which is totally possible, but it's not how it's working now. So right now it's just generates Docker file if you run it inside container. Does GitHub still have issues today? Yeah, I'm not sure. Yesterday's shields were just crazy because of GitHub, REST APIs. Okay, so could custom instead of just, I mean, when you run certain scripts or run CLI, it does download a file. So could this service just run on a, I mean separately, where it does allow you to download a sort of file or something? I don't know if I'm making sense, but. I'm not following right now.  If you mean it will save the generator demo file just as a download in the browser rather than generating the war itself?  That's the, I mean, we could, how would you, like just like this spring initializer gives us an entire zip file to download just on the same lines. How would the, how would we actually download? Maybe have a downloadable file for the. So there are two parts. One part that you can, so here you don't generate a project for yourself. It doesn't provide you jars. It just provides your project definition. Same on the service could generate, for example, what I have here is just a configuration which includes a bunch of stuff. But basically this is configuration which you can take and build on your own, but it's ready to go. So it's click a button. You can run and make file and get the image. Okay. So one of the ways for the service is to not provide war files or Docker files or Docker images. But just provide definition so you can build it on your own. If you want to provide a build service which actually builds the packages, then you would need to run customer packages and set your service. Yes, exactly. That's what I was saying. Yeah, it's doable, but it opens a lot of questions like spending additional containers in the service, all kinds of security questions if you wish. Yeah, you could deploy this artifacts somewhere, but this artifacts, just look at the word packages, takes a while to complete. Yeah. So we, well, not that long, but it may take 10, 20 minutes sometimes, depending on your configuration complexity. So yeah, it would be a more challenging part. So if somebody was working on this project, I would recommend to split it to phases. One phase just generates configuration and only after that you could work on the build service. Okay, thank you so much. That helps a lot. Yeah. Rick, what do you think about that? You mean the service just provided the configuration, right? Yes, the first step. I think it's okay, but we can, I think we can also provide the binary file.  And I know that we all that need a lot of resources to build the file, maybe a amount of storage, but maybe we just do not provide the service from the public service. But if the project have the ability to build them, maybe the users can like deep load this customer service in their environment to build their own Dickens dot WER. That's very, very helpful. Do you understand my point? Yeah, you're right. It may be difficult. Well, we can have another goal for packaging service. That's for sure. It's just quite difficult to implement it as a first phase because there is a lot of hidden stones. And second phase, for example, we look at quite different skills because first step, you just build this generator. It can be written to your JavaScript and if you go, whatever you like, but when it comes to the service itself, you will need to likely create a health chart for that. You will need to resolve security questions. If you want to host it within Jenkins IO infrastructure, then we will need to talk to infrastructure team about that. And yeah, you know, right? We were resolving a lot of budgeting issues recently. So I'm putting new services while it's possible, it will require significant discussion. So if you put the build services as a first step, it may just require a lot of extra effort. Okay. I agree with you that it has value. It has a lot of value actually, but it's difficult to eat this pie in one piece. I would also say like for this, like our tooling team can run the build steps for like the compiling the Jenkins images and that in their sleep. But what they spend most of the time on is guessing what's meant to go in the YAML file. So stage one, at least for us, is where most of the value would come from. And also we probably have some requirements around like the actual build step because we've got stuff like Play for a Gexray and all of that coming in. So like our enterprise wants to track, you know, put your code where I can see it please. Rather than kind of getting a remote service to compile the war and then handing it to us and it's kind of a black box. So for transparency, we probably only use the step one bit anyway, I think. Okay. We're a large enterprise, so others have different needs. Okay, yeah, the phase one requirement by Oleg sounds like a plan because then you just have to maybe parse or sort of have a front end and then maybe generate a YAML file or a Docker image and then as a phase two, you can probably focus on the build service. That just shot up the required skills of the project tenfold. For Brownie points and possibly to increase the work again. A lot of the time is spent guessing what plug-in configuration is meant to go in. So not the configuration of the core itself because you can go and read one set of docs pretty much and work that out. It's say like, if I want to use like even my own plug in the AWS credentials provider thing, well, what configuration do I have to go in to Jenkins YAML? Okay, I've got to go off and read the plug-in, read me and hopefully the plug-in also remembered to document that. So if there was some way to kind of inspect the plug-in configuration classes automatically and work out what is meant to go in there as a kind of scraper or harvester process that would certainly help users though it would be quite ambitious. We'll have a separate project idea for that too. Yeah. Well, it could be probably split to two project ideas if we can find mentors because some bits could be detached but yeah, at least doing some parts now would be interesting. So in a GSOC project, you set up a project idea and this project idea may involve various directions, various goals and basically we expect students to come up with their proposal based on this list of ideas. So even if you think that the project is bigger than what can be done in GSOC, it's not a blocker, it just needs to be explicit in the project definition. And yeah, from what I see, there are a lot of people in the thread who are interested to work on that even outside GSOC, so yeah, who knows. Again, the student could be participating, can it be a team as long as they're first by the student isolated and can be isolated separately, it's not a problem. Yeah, sounds cool, I guess. I guess that sort of ends the questions from me but do we want to edit this project idea or is this fine? I mean, since we're splitting it in two phases, would we want that to be reflected on the side? Well, if somebody could comment on that, it would be a good improvement. Cool, maybe I could do that. If you'll feel free to coordinate with Rick and if Rick is on board with such changes, then we can just update the project idea. Yeah, sure, sounds cool then. Yeah, I mean I could get a draft idea for this proposal because I was just working on my proposal, I think I put it in the mailing list but after this discussion I guess there are significant changes to be made to that so yeah, I'll submit it probably by the end of next week or something. Yeah, well you can just work on your proposal draft because yeah, we can publish recording of this meeting so that it can provide additional information to potential students. So yeah, just to be clear, Sladyan, it's not your responsibility to update a project idea. It would be much appreciated because it's also a contribution to the project but your main goal is to create your proposal. Keeping all the information public is important. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And yeah, thanks a lot for exploring this area. Yeah. Is there anything I can help with with regards to additional information or maybe some alignment increases? If I somehow can help with meta-package definition please let me know. But yeah, I also think that we could just keep discussing that and I hope to send an email by Monday with summary. So maybe we'll just have this discussion in the thread started by Rick. So I will express the point of the day so we don't create duplication. It's already read it referenced here in the top. So yeah, we can find more collaborators, I hope. I'm sure they're out there because so many people have to deal with the stuff either manually or whatever but focusing the amount of their hiding pulses. Yeah, you can see my demo repository was for 45 times. Yeah, some demos but if you navigate to some repositories you can see that people just fork it and start hacking. And yeah, if we had more supported an official way to do that, it would be an improvement because it was just a proof of concept by me at some point, which kind of works. Relating to the Helm charts that are packaged up with Jenkins X, I'm trying to delineate in my mind like what the AWS equivalent of that looks like because obviously because like you could imagine a Kubernetes meta package in the registry like aggregates the Kubernetes credentials provider and the Kubernetes like the old agents and all of that but it wouldn't be enough to get going with and that's why we have a full next distribution for Kubernetes. I'm wondering if like for the AWS equivalent, okay, we can have an AWS meta package but it's not quite enough to get you started because you still have to have all the surrounding terraform and whatnot to scaffold the server into existence. Yeah, at some point there was a project, sorry. Would it warrant a kind of a full if I can Jenkins X for AWS? If so, what would we put in it above and beyond just the meta package of AWS plugins? Because Kubernetes at least has the benefit that everybody uses Helm charts or whatever and it's sort of one standard but not everybody uses terraform to put stuff on Amazon. Some people use cloud formation or whatever. Yeah, so one of the projects that you could take a look at is Jenkins server green. So it's a bit obsolete and it's archived because we shut down the infrastructure in late January but it was exactly an attempt to provide a solution for AWS with some goals like having continuous delivery to these instances but if you deep dive you can find that there are Docker files which package Jenkins is a set of plugins and then there are some verification flows which prepare this list of plugins. So they don't use customer packages internally instead of that they use their own scripting. Well, customer packages was created later than ever green but a final result is basically the same. They have some dependency management, some CI, they prepare package specific to AWS. They also pre-configure things like dependency on S3 buckets and other things. So out of the box you get some kind of web environment and you can run it. So the repository is still around so some needs could be reused. It definitely does sound a lot of it would be useful to us. Probably the thing that would have knocked it on the head is the continuous always up to date on the bleeding edge of plugins which is, I mean, that would have made it unusable for us. We would have couldn't have that. Although the idea is cute to kind of, I suppose it's like the arch Linux of Jenkins always up to date and the downside is always up to date but if the kind of the evergreen bit was removed then I suppose it would be packaging Jenkins for AWS and that would be handy. I agree with you. So we can just explore these options. I'm not sure. So evergreen folks are still around in the community so they could probably provide some insights or if somebody wants to detach AWS, let's say meta package or whatever story to a separate project, it's totally doable. Yeah, understand that continuous delivery is really complicated but we can get some bits of that maybe it's dependency management. If I can help you with that, yeah, I'll do my best. So, Chris, how would you like to organize this work for AWS? Do you want to keep it independently from a GSOC or would you prefer to somehow get alignment and to have it as a reference implementation? Well, no one will ever say no to a Flurry-Australian army of GSOC students to do work for them. The question is, how would alignment involve? So one of the choke points is about production readiness because what you need is definitely a production ready template by production ready definition and your teams already got a load towards this way. So I wouldn't expect our first parks to be really ready but maybe what we could do is, for example, if your team is interested to open source some bits of your shared configurations and maybe see whether we could convert them to templates gradually. It could be- I was about to suggest that actually we could open source the kind of share your config thing that we've got and sanitize it so it might just be a static snapshot of it. And then you can kind of go through that and go, okay, we can reuse this and that and know that bit looks else a bit specific. So we can do that. And yeah, I think the tooling team will be happy to do that. That was great. And even in the beginning, it would be a great case study because I really can deep dive and see what are the issues in the field. Because yeah, I have some pet projects which use customer packages, et cetera, but I have to admit that I don't have big production and it's powered by that flow. So some information would be definitely useful. Yeah, it sounds like a good plan. Yeah. So Rick, what do you think? I think just the last couple of minutes. So did you get enough information from this meeting or would you address some other topics? Would you like to address some other topics? I think it's enough for me. Okay, so then, yeah, thanks to everybody. If you want, I can publish at this meeting, let's say on the JSOC channel or I can just publish it as unlisted. So just share a link so we can have more information. Yeah. This meeting was really helpful. Thank you so much for your time, Oleg, Chris and Rick. Yeah, and thank you too. Yeah, it was a bit chaotic and sorry for the late proposal about the meeting. But yeah, maybe we could meet again, I would say in a couple of weeks or months. Once we have more details, once the slide, for example, has a proposal draft, so we can review that and maybe map other stories. Yeah, definitely. I will do that as soon as possible. Thank you so much, Raki. Yeah, thanks all. 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