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Here's the MVP chance in Charlotte now has the most 50 point games in Celtics history, but he's only the fourth favorite right now in that MVP race on Fandall Sportsbook. So I ask you, Chandler, what, if anything, would need to happen for him to overtake Yochitch at this point? It's, uh, honestly, it's Yochitch. Like we said yesterday, he's kind of pulling away with it, which it's, it's Tatum's having such a good year. This dude's averaging 31, 8, and 4. It's pretty efficient. 47% from the field, 35 from 3, and they have a nice cushion there as the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. They've been the most consistent best team all year long. Uh, it's just Yochitch. The way he's doing it, the triple doubles, uh, it's tough because there's four guys right now that could easily win it in my book. And for, for whatever reason, just the way Yochitch is doing the way he's playing these huge eruption of games he's having. Uh, it's just, I think he's pulled away with it, but I don't know, maybe, uh, the nuggets take a slide here. They stopped winning games. Jochitch gets hurt, misses time. It's going to have to take something because right now Yochitch run away with it, but Tatum games like this can only help. And again, they're the best team. They've been the most consistent team and he's the best player on the best team. So he should, I think he should be higher than the fourth, to be honest with you, but I think he should probably be second, but, uh, more games like this and more wins for them will kind of translate to him kind of staying in the hot and staying on, on, on Yochitch's tail. Yeah, he's got a uphill battle as far as the MVP goes, you know, Yochitch, as I said yesterday, he's kind of has the narrative going just to interesting player. I was wondering about him last year about how could he win an MVP? You know, the MVP is several formulas. He's going to have gaudy stats or win a ton of games and have really good stats. Well, he has that now, but unfortunately, even 31 points a game, he's third in the league and scoring. There's two guys ahead of him, even having great stats and being first in his conference. The other guy he's dealing with has gaudy stats and he's first in his conference. So it's an uphill battle. I mean, it might take some injuries. Who knows? Um, he's having a great season. He's being recognized for having a great season, but there's MVP candidates that start at the season ready to make that leap and did. And it's just unfortunate for him. They did it the same time as him. I think the one way Jason Tatum can have a more bigger say in the MVP conversation, more games like last night, like we've seen Nikola Yochitch have marquee games. Yes. Jason Tatum has had those big games as well and has them, uh, you know, with the Celtics number one, firmly all season long. But I think you saw him last night, like he had a chance to just have 40 and he goes for 50. And I think that cemented him is another 50 point player in the NBA this year. I think having more performances like that, but yeah, I mean, it would probably take a Denver nugget slide at some point, uh, during the second half of the year and for Boston to maintain their number one seed because other than that, when Nikola Yochic is doing right now with that team number one, it's easy to say, yes, he's won it twice in a row. It's hard to give him a third time, but he's making it increasingly difficult to look past them, uh, in Denver. I do think Tatum being fourth on that list is probably more of a sticking point at this point. He should be higher on that, but he did talk about going for 50 specifically last night. Uh, and here's what he mentioned that he had talked to Jamal Crawford. He texted me after the heat game. He's like, if you're ever that close to 50, nobody's going to remember the time and score. They're just going to report if you got 50 or not. And that's what was going through my mind. Jamal telling me, if you get that close to 50, go get it. Uh, he shot a three. They were 30 seconds, 38 seconds, really. And they were up 13. Chandler, do you have any issues with him going for that 50? I don't. Honestly, Jamal is completely right that, you know, obviously he still had a great game regardless, but 50 is kind of a headline number and nobody's going to remember how no one's going to remember that shot a couple of weeks from now, a couple of days from now, maybe the Hornets, the next time they play him, if they were any good and there was a rival, this would be an issue. Uh, but in a game like last night where he's on the road, he's getting MVP chance in their building, they're not a good team. This was the perfect game for him to do something like this. But yeah, if you're doing this against Milwaukee or you're doing this because Brooklyn, you're going to have to see them in the, in the playoffs.  Yeah, I think you guys are right. He needs these type of games. He needs these signature moments to kind of build up his narrative, his story, his claim for the MVP. And I'm with Chandler. I'm a, I'm a stat chaser. I don't care. I'm, I'm captain of the stat chaser team. If you're close to 60, stay in the game.  Uh, you know, not Ricky Davis quite throw the rebound off the backboard stat chasing, not booked the way he got his 70 and they're fouling their down 17 and they're trying to just hemorrhage points. But yo, if you're close, if you're there, if you're in the game and that number is inside, you see guys do this all the time. They're looking up at that scoreboard. They're trying to figure out how close they are to their triple double to their double, double to 40 to 50 to 60. Go get, go get it. It's fine. And then like Chandler said, it's not like the Hornets can do anything about it. They got it. They got to just accept it. Players, players during the game always know how many points they have. They always know how many rebounds they always know if they're close to a double, double, triple, whatever. So whatever they say, they don't. They're lying.  I feel like that's what you're saying. I get it. I totally get it. Look, on the Hornets side, I know we thrown a lot of shade at them. They have lost five straight. They do have pieces, those shams and Michael Jordan still is in that building somehow some way in spirit. So what, what's the deal? What direction is this team headed? They're a clear rebuilding team. I mean, when you look at their record, they've been without miles bridges all season long. They've had extended injuries. Lamello Balls missed a lot of time. Dennis McJune's missed a lot of time. Gordon Hayward has missed a lot of time. They've just dealt with an onslaught. Everything that can go wrong has gone wrong for this team. They've got the worst record in the Eastern Conference, the second worst record in the league. And I think as you move toward the deadline coming up in less than one month, teams are expecting the Hornets to listen in on a lot of their key players. Terry Rosier, I'm told, is going to be a guy that the Hornets will listen on conversations about. Can you get young players and picks for guy like that? And then when you look at expiring contracts of guys nearing the end of their deals, Jalen McDaniels, Mason Plumlee, Kelly Ubre Jr., Gordon Hayward, of course, I think they're going to be open minded with all those guys and seeing if there's a market, there's interest for those players, some of which are on expiring deals. But look for the Hornets to really move toward a rebuild in the second half of the year. And you know, there's going to be playoff teams that are going to have a level of interest in some of these guys. Yeah, they're not a good team, but they do have pieces and they do have assets. Like if I'm a contender or if I'm a team that's in the hunt, I'm looking at this roster and they have pieces that can really help a good team. But there are ways away. But you know what, this season could all be washed if they get that number one pick with Victor and kind of start to rebuild fresh there with him moving forward with Lamello and with guys like that. That could be interesting. But yeah, they're they're plummeting and they're plummeting fast and it's kind of number one pick or bust. That's a big gamble. Steph Curry, Warriors, this is a weird turn of events when we're talking about the Warriors and this being a big win. So he had 41 yesterday, the matinee, they're five and 17 on the road now and Curz, the guy that said he said it is a big win when you're 500. Every win is a big win. Look, we all know what the Warriors struggles have been so far. But man, eight games under 500. That's what the Wizards are and they're calling it a big win. Where are we with this team, Eddie? How is this even possible to say this? I mean, Steve Curz, right? And he sent in a message to his team and he's kind of poking the bear a little bit because he knows they have to be frustrated as well. I think for them, it is a big win, not because they beat the Wizards, but to see Steph look like this again. I think it's first two games.  But to see him attacking in the way he did, it was encouraging. When you have your best player looking like the best player in the world, that makes you feel like you can win every single game. It is kind of a funny quote on the state of the team and where they're at. But I mean, that's reality right now. They're a 500 team and they played like it. They've been inconsistent. They've been lackadaisical. They had a failure for attention to detail and they've been flawed all season long. And you know, maybe this is the beginning of a turn. They're one of those teams who can hit the switch and have hit the switch and it's frustrating, I guess, as a fan and it sounds like it's frustrating as a coach as well. But this is where they're at and this is what they're going to have to snap out of. They really don't have a choice. Yeah, when you're struggling like this, especially on the road for this team, every win is a big win and they need every win going forward. And you're right, Eddie, Steph showing games like this after the injury is huge. Jordan Poole having game like this at the same time as Steph Curry is huge. Dreymond Green played really, really well last night. He had 1710 and six or something. He was scoring. He was knocking down his free throws. He made two threes. This is the kind of attack and recipe that they have to have, especially when Wiggins is getting his legs back. Clay is out. This is a team that's not concerned. They don't care who they play in the first round. Did they think they can beat anybody? And I don't doubt them. I think they are a team that can flip the switch and they're a tough matchup nightmare for pretty much anybody in the Western Conference. So yeah, just just to be able to get a win like this and have your best player play at the level he did last night was huge. Yeah, I don't know if the flip the switch thing is something that Warriors can just get used to. Chandler made a great point right there. I think that's really what this team is starting to do, though, you know, like, and it might just be a dog days of the season type thing. Yes, they've got all their guys back. But when I saw them the other night in Chicago, you can kind of see it came in ebbs and flows. And yesterday in DC, there was a fan joining with Dreymond Green during the game. And you just saw the energy level of Dreymond Green and that Warriors team shift. So I don't know if they need a fan in the audience every night kind of joining them, motivating them for championships in what nine, 10 years that they've been going here, not eight years during this run, like it's exhausting. It takes a lot of mental fortitude on a nightly basis. So maybe this team just needs motivation on a nightly basis because second half of the game last night when that fan was at Dreymond Green, he had a stellar half. The team one going away. And I think it was a big one for the Warriors, I think now two and 10 against the East on the road. And apparently it was sort of that good fun heckling like Dreymond didn't have the dude thrown out. So that's nice. Got some growth going on the parts of both sides. Jordan pulled with 32 and seven last night right now on the Fandals Sports Book site. He's he's second for six man right behind Russell Westbrook Eddie. So right now, who are you picking between those two? I'm picking Jordan pull. I think it's kind of crazy to me that those are the top two guys. I think, you know, I would really want to see Mathern win the award. But you know, he's going to be better now that now that Stephen Curry is back. He's going to be better now that he slotted it back in that six man role. And he also has a nice stats boost from those games he started. But I'm going him over Russ. But look, we back bash Russ all the time and everybody is trying to trade him and all that. He's had a good season. He's had a really good season. I know he lost the game the other night. He clearly got grabbed by Joe and beat. I know the NBA said it wasn't a foul. It was something. But yeah, as far as if these are the guys, I'm a big Jordan pull, I think he's going to have better opportunity. Yeah, I think he's going to have bigger games like this. He's going to have better numbers. I just he's started half the games, right? So I don't know what the look how do you how do you justify that if Clay's in and out of the lineup. If Steph misses more time, he's going to start, which would be the only reason I don't think he runs away with this award.  And ever since they made that move to for him to the bench, I don't know what switch, but he has been aggressive. He has been playing confident and he has been producing. So they could go either way. I'm with Eddie. I love Matherin. I think he's an absolute stud. But you could really go either way with these guys. Yeah, it's crazy. He's not even on that. The ticker, the graphic. Guys, let's go west, shall we to the crypto dot com arena. A very heartwarming moment last night, share between an old man and a young man. Here it is. You play against my dad first, your first NBA game ever really Sacramento. You feel Oh, don't you? It's the you feel old, don't you? That really kills me. Look, LeBron went on to score 48 against Houston Lakers snap in their three game losing streak. He said afterwards that he was extremely exhausted, really tired.  The fact that LeBron can't take the night off and needs 48 against the Houston Rockets team Chandler says what? That they're not very good. And we're done. Right. Also, I don't like that he's saying he's extremely tired. We all know what he's doing. We all know he can't have a game like this and then go and say that you almost didn't play like I don't love that. But listen, he had an unbelievable game last night. The way he was scoring the things the way he's producing at this stage of his career and this age really, really is remarkable. But yeah, you're looking at a completely tanking horrific team in the Rockets that are so young that aren't even trying to win games. And no doubt in my mind, if LeBron did sit this game, the Rockets win that game. So this is just where they are. But at the end of the day, look, this was a win. And this kind of keeps them right there that they get things to try and squeeze in that last spot.  They are who they are at this point. They're not a great team. They need to get Anthony Davis healthy. They need to get a lot of their guys healthy. But these are the these are the type of games that LeBron unfortunately has to have in year 20 for them to even have a chance at beating. They were arguably the worst team in the NBA. I get LeBron's comment and I get the concern over his minutes. Yes, you don't want him to play 35 plus minutes on back to back days. But he clearly can do it. And I'm kind of with Chandler like, you know, you don't have to tell us that it was tough.  Of course he does. You are the goal. You clearly could do it. You went out there and almost dropped 50 on these young boys. So I mean, look, they need that they needed at the end of the day. They need it. He knows they need it. That's why he was out there. It's pretty much what he said. I do like the moment with Jabari. I do think it's funny.  But I my favorite part is that he's not mic'd up. So that was probably about as natural as we're ever going to get to hear LeBron. And he was just like, tell me that, man. Like I feel LeBron everybody in their mid to late 30s hates to be reminded that they're in their mid to late 30s. So yeah, great moment. I don't think that's true though. I knew can do back to back. It's cool. Like it's it's in the contract. You can pull it off. Yeah, but LeBron can't claim that because he's literally riding this I'm 38 ride all the way to the end like this. I mean, we have to hear about it 24. I think during the broadcast last night, there must have been a drinking game internally because we know he's 38. He spends a million dollars a year on his body, blah, blah, blah.  And then calling yourself a hero. That's weird to me. But whatever. Okay. It's Choms. I'm sorry.  I think a couple of things. One, that moment to me is dope. Like the fact that Jabari Smith's dad is at the game and the bar is Mr. Says that Tim during the game, like awesome kudos to the Mike crew to find that footage and then have the dad and like, you know, kudos everyone all around for that. I think, listen, the way LeBron's played this year, though, the numbers he's putting up the last couple of weeks, like 48 points. I know when he signed that two year hundred plus million dollar extension this summer, I think part of that was we knew this Lakers team was not going to be a surefire playoff team. No doubt about it. Like this team did not look capable from a roster of construction standpoint to be a shoe in for the playoff. So it's like, why did LeBron sign that extension? Well, it's like, listen, you secure some money. And at the end of the day, I think even those around the Lakers didn't exactly know how LeBron would play this season as you're going into year 20. Yes, he was going to surpass Cremium Duelger Bar at some point this year. I don't know if everyone expected it would be this soon. I mean, it seems like it's only within the next 10 games or so at the pace he's at now. So I think the level LeBron's playing at now has to be a surprise to even the Lakers. And that has a lot to do with the fact that now that AD is going to be on the way back in the next few weeks, right before the All-Star break, how does that position them before the trade deadline and what moves they could make? I'm glad you brought up trade deadline leads me to my tease because the Raptors have won four of their last five. But CJ McCullum says they're going to be sellers as we approach this trade deadline. That on running back when we return to send a game in overtime right there from RJ Barrett. But Brunson's game winning attempts off the mark. The Knicks end up losing this one to Toronto. The Raptors have won four out of five. They do have 10 of their next 12 out on the road. And CJ McCullum who has a podcast was speaking on this Raptors squad and said there's rumblings about certain players on the team not being happy. And due to tampering, I can't speak to that. But I think they're going to move someone. That is a very spicy, spicy quote shams. Any insight to share on what CJ had to say here? Well, real quick from Chandler's perspective, like if you're a player on the Raptors, this is the NPA president. What like how do you feel hearing that from CJ McCullum, a guy on another team who could actually have a team that can make a trade for one of these guys? Yeah, well, if it's if it's true, then obviously, I'm kind of salty that he's kind of airing it out. If you know if he does actually know something is happening. But yeah, I've never really seen something like this. Clearly he knows something that we don't. They are severely, you know, not playing well and underachieving this year. And they do have a lot of young pieces and a lot of trade assets. So I feel like if it smells like fish, it's probably fish and there's something going on here. But I don't know. This this one's weird to me. I know that the fans aren't happy. They want Nick Nurse fired. They're they're not even in the play in right now. And they have really, really high expectations this year. Michelle, you didn't like that fishy comment. That's not the phrase because it could be something else. That's not the phrase. Well, I'll break it. Go ahead. Yeah, I'll break it down. I mean, I mean, the matter of the issue is that, yeah, the Raptors want to be competitive. They want to be a team that's making the playoffs like Messiah Jury is history. This this is a group that wants to compete and contend. And yeah, like Chandler said, they've been underwhelming this year. And that's why when you look at it, there are four games under 500, they're out of the playing tournament right now. You look at the talent that they have on the scene. Pascal Siakam, Ojean Anubi, Fred Van Blyth, Gary Trent. I think all those guys are being monitored across the league to see just exactly when Toronto could flip the switch on the season and move more toward a rebuild. You have Fred Van Blyth going into the lot. He's going to be a free agent in the summer. Ojean Anubi next year will be in the last year of his deal. Same as Pascal Siakam. Gary Trent is also going into a free agency here. So they've got decisions to make on a lot of these guys and you can't really pay all of them if you're not going to be even a playoff team. So Masayu Jiri has a lot of decisions to make. I think these next two to three weeks, if this team can turn it around, then you could see Masayu Jiri giving some, you know, some hope and some commitment to this group to try to ride it out. Because we saw last year they got off to a rough start. They turn around second half of the year. They make it into a position where there are four or five seed. This year we'll see. They have a two to three week window right now where their season is going to come into form, whether they're going to sell or they're going to buy and everyone around the league is watching. Yeah. And it's interesting because I like their team. Look at the standings. I like them more than Chicago, Atlanta, Indy, New York. Like they're a better team than than they're showing right now. So that's what's confusing about them. But what what what happened Shams when when, you know, one of these guys gets traded to New Orleans? Like, is that tampering? Like, what happens then? Yo, Chandler, are you calling tampering on this? Like, I don't know. This is just interesting for me. I've never seen this before either. It's not tampering because nothing's happened yet.  I don't think this is tampering. I just think maybe it's it's almost just gossip. It's rumors at this point. But it will get interesting if one of these guys do eventually get moved and they kind of look back at this quote, especially if it's to New Orleans. That's my thing. They have 10 or 12 on the road coming up. I mean, if you're New Orleans front office, David Griffin and those guys, like, and you were planning on maybe trying to poach a couple Raptors or at least one. You must and look, CJ is not known to be a reckless dude. So for him to say this at all is like, oh, OK. But it is interesting because you have no idea what your own front office is maybe planning to do or not planning to do. That's what I think this gets interesting. And could anything happen to CJ? I mean, is there any punishment? I mean, what I don't even know what you do with this. Where do you put it? There's not going to be a punishment. Like Chandler said, it's players gossiping about players. But when you look at New Orleans, they actually have assets. Like, if they want to go and get serious with an Oji on a newbie or Pascal Siakam, they've got all their picks. They've got the Lakers picks. That's why when they made, you know, they're one of the teams that did call the nets about Kevin Durant. They just didn't offer full design, Winston or Brandon Ingram. But they have all the picks in the world. They've got young players. So theoretically, this is a team that has what it takes to get a guy like that. Yes. See if he can't hear us, but he looks fabulous. And that's really all that matters at this point. But we can say whatever we want about him, guys. So that's fine. Go ahead and do it now. Walker Kessler. And there's a button. We need him on this next topic because Walker Kessler is up as he normally is at any point in a basketball show. 20 points, 21 rebounds lifting the jazz to a one point win over the Wolves. Becoming the first rookie to have a 2020 game on 65 percent shooting since Alonzo Morning Chandler. Not bad. How impressed are you? Yeah, I'm super impressed because he's just one of those old school bigs. He's 21 years old. He's super efficient. He's long. He blocks shots. You know, he wasn't necessarily that high of a draft pick. He's great value and to kind of have this for the 2020 game that that's a huge game, especially for a young guy kind of learning his way, getting comfortable. He's mobile. He can defend. I like him a lot. The guy's shooting 71 percent from the field like that. He's not taking bad shots. He's finishing. He's dunking everything. He's a great asset. At that point of the draft, too, just going forward. And listen, is this guy going to be a star player? Who knows? But for what he's doing now and the way he's producing on this team where they're at, he's fantastic pickup. We have our friends over at Stapmuse. These are some these are actual fun facts. Malik Beasley leading the league in threes off the bench. Walker Kessler leading the league in blocks off the bench, both acquired in the Rudy Colbertrait, Colbertrait. But that's not all they got. They also got Jared Vanderbilt for four first round picks. Eddie, I'll go to you first. Is it too soon to call this trade a failure and perhaps maybe the worst trade in NBA history? No, like I thought we were going to ask those. Is it too soon to call it the Walker Kessler trade? I there's like a Twitter joke that's real easy to make about Walker Kessler doing this and Rudy Colbert going out with a groin five minutes into the game. But it's fine. The haul for Rudy Colbert, it will be ridiculed for years to come. There he's almost no way he can play as well as that trade. So no, it's not too early to call it a failure. Yeah, the expectation once this trade went down, Colbert would have to have a Yolk it's, you know, crazy type year to kind of justify and validate, you know, giving up all those assets and players. So yeah, right now it's it's not looking good. I love Rudy Colbert. Eddie, Eddie goes at him all the time. I I I understand his value. I think he's just it's not the way the NBA's go away, especially where they already have towns. It didn't really make sense. But he's fantastic defensively. He rebounds the ball. He block shots just to give up that much for a guy like that. And you gave him really no chance to even, you know, kind of validate that trade because it's not like he's going to produce these crazy numbers. It's not like he's going to dominate games like that, especially offensively. So to give up that much for a guy like that didn't really make sense. And probably going to go down as one of the worst in to ever happen. Shoms and Walker Kessler. Yeah, I mean, you have to give it up to Danny Ainge. I mean, what he got for down to Mitchell, what he got for Rudy Gobert. I mean, when you think about the package you got from Minnesota, you get Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, two very good rotation players, two guys that are desired by other teams around the league. Walker Kessler is looking like a guy that's going to start at center for either them or any other team for the next 12 years. And then you get a boatload of picks for first round picks. They get they get they get more first round picks for for down to Mitchell and you get a franchise type cornerstone in Lowry marketing and you get draft swap seconds, whatever it was, like they've got everything long term moving forward. I think this is literally what Danny Ainge did a decade plus ago with the KG Paul Pierce trade in Boston to reboot that franchise around Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. So you got to give it up. Like like this this tweet is exactly, you know, what I think sums up what Utah just did in the last six to eight months. Danny Ainge knows what he's doing. It sounds like that's we agree. We're all on the same page there. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's looking that way. And for a team that we, you know, we thought was going to be rebuilding and which they are, but they're still winning game. They all of a sudden have this talent to start player in Lowry market. And then they've really just put together a great rebuilding team. And now you can add a few other pieces and you have picks going forward. I love what they've done. Oh, we lost it. Eddie hates us. Goes to the West Coast. Big times us the entire show. That's fine. We're going to take a quick break. Anyways, because coming up next, George Carl says that Michael Jordan would average a 40 point triple double. Are we buying that? Find out. We had to show them. These are Jason Tatum's first signature Jordan shoes. They were leaked online. Little mini fitter brick. I don't know what to take this one first, but fitter brick on this. Eddie, you there? Yeah, I get why guys sign with Jordan brand. They want to get that nice shipment every two weeks of all the Jordans of all time. But then you end up with this and it's like, are you getting your ROI there? JT, are you getting what you need? I mean, Jordan brand has essentially never made a great signature shoe for anybody, but the man whose name is on the shoes. So that's the risk you take, but he'll get every Jordan one that comes out for the rest of life. And when I look at guys like Quentin Richardson or something like that, who have long since retired and still reap the Jordan benefits, guess it makes sense in the long run. Yeah, you sign with Jordan to get all the Jordan his shoes, all the team, all the team, the mellows, the blade griffins, they're usually pretty trash. And these are kind of in that category. These are not it. I really don't like those.  I hate being that dude, but I think Jason Tatum said that this leak wasn't real. But you know, I hate being that dude, but he did say that. I mean, that's good news. That is good. Hopefully, that's a positive. Yeah, those are weird. That's a lot of plasticky rubbery yuckiness on the side, but that's okay. That's okay.  Guys, we've got some of you buying that. Last night Shaq was worked up about John Morant saying, you know, his play is amazing. He's upset. All the experts talk about MVPs. You don't say John Morant's name enough. The kid can flat out play. Yeah, I mean, we don't. We don't mention him really at all, Chandler.  I mean, yeah, he definitely does. And he's having a great year. He's just kind of in that similar boat as Tatum, where I think Bill Kitch, you know, is doing are just a little bit more special and a little bit more impressive. But yeah, the way that he's, I think they're tied right now with Denver for the number one seed. They have that cushion on the three and four seeds. And with his second and third best player, Desmond Bain and Jared Jackson being in and out of the lineup and him basically carrying the load with guys like Dylan Brooks and other guys on that team for them to be in the position they are right now is huge. And there's no doubt his value to this team. There's no doubt he's one of the most exciting players to play in the league right now. And yeah, he definitely deserves more shine. It's just he's up against other guys right now that are having, you know, great, if not better seasons than him. Yeah, he definitely deserves to be higher. There's no doubt about that. Now it's just tough with him because the Grizzlies, yes, they've won 10 a row. They look amazing right now. They look like a well old machine. They were a top two seed last year. So it's tough unless Memphis somehow was a runaway at number one and just totally destroying the league. You can make a case that he is your MVP this year. But the fact that Denver is one, Jason Tatum is balled out in the Eastern Conference as well. But he deserves to be high on the list for sure behind those two guys. Yeah, when Shaq says this, I wonder in what sense, should he get like some low level votes? I guess, you know, but he's not the MVP right now. We know he's not the MVP. That's why he's not in the conversation. The problem for John Morant and players like that, like Chandler said, is we're in the era of truly gaudy stats and guys putting those up and winning games on top of that. And the MVP race has been kind of clear from day one. I mean, we have guys hopping in and out. But unfortunately for Ja, who is entering his prime, he's dealing with five, six, seven guys that are in their prime right now and performing like that. And that's fine, he'll have his time. It just won't be this year. Yeah, and the only other guy that's in the hunt right now is Luca, whose team's not that great. Besides that, all these other guys are on real contenders and doing the same thing Ja is doing. So it's tough. It's funny that we just don't take the, it's like we're not taking the grizzly seriously is what I'm hearing, which is interesting to me considering what's happening right now. But Eddie, did you just do the TV equivalent of a costume change? Like what just happened here? I switched the backdrop up. I got your bad backdrop great. So I kind of, you know, turn around. So fancy. So you're doing the show tomorrow, but not done yet. I know, right? You just randomly pulled that off. All right, moving on, another fun fact. We have so many fun stats today in the show, but this, I think you guys will be happy because it's about the rookie, Matherin. He's averaging 17 and a half points a game off the bench, okay? That's the highest average for a player off the bench with a minimum of 30 games played. So he's got to start the last few with Halliburton out. Eddie, you buying, he should be a starter for this team. Did we lose Eddie? Oh, Chandler take away. I'll take it. Eddie speaks this over, Eddie speaks this over, Matherin. Listen, I think there's a method to Rick Carlyle's madness. I think he is a brilliant mind when it comes to offensive sets. There was a stat when I went inside and played with him in Dallas that everybody who plays for Rick Carlyle their first year, their points per game skyrockets.  He's extremely talented. He's going against second strings most of the time and he's comfortable and he's got that rhythm. Is he eventually gonna be a starter? Yes, he's the first or second best player on the team. But I think the way Carlyle is kind of slowly working him in, keeping him off the bench, keeping him comfortable, keeping expectations low in the beginning of his career, I think was smart. But you can't doubt it. The kid is a starter. The kid is a possible all-star one day. And eventually he is gonna end up in the starting line, especially on a team like Indiana. I can't wait to see if Eddie can hear us. Go. Yes, talk. I think he's perfect in the role he's in. Let him play against backup units. Look, they have a starting backcourt.  And as much as we wanna see him on the floor and on that lineup, his starting backcourt is a longtime veteran and a sniper and a guy in Tyrese Halliburton that's probably gonna be in the all-star game and people think he should start the all-star game. So Benny has his time coming and he closes games, which is important. So he'll have his time and he's just gonna have to wait. You know, Buddy Hield is always in trade rumors. Maybe they'll finally get rid of them, pull the trigger and then Benedict Matthews can start it to that. But I think he's exactly, he's fine with where he's at and he's a rookie of the year contender as well. Like, there's gotta be no chance anybody's ever won six man and rookie of the year in the same season. And he might be able to pull that off. That'd be amazing. Yeah, again, it's the finishing of the games. I think that's just so much more valuable. I don't know why we worry about starting. George Carlyle is one of my favorite follows on Twitter. He just likes to stir things up. He's been doing that for the last couple of weeks lately. He said that Michael Jordan would have averaged a 40 point triple double in this league if he played today. Now, I just want to tell you this before Chandler, the closest he got, 88, 89, he averaged 32, eight and eight. Now that I've said that, are you buying it? It's hard to argue because first of all, obviously we know how great of a scorer he was and the things he could do. In today's age, he would probably shoot 20 to 25 free throws a game, which would bump his points per game close to 40. So it's hard to argue, especially at the clip and the pace and how fast the league is now. I'm assuming he would shoot more threes as well. But I think the biggest thing is just the physicality back in the day. Half the times he wasn't even getting to the stripe. Nowadays, he would live at the free throw line where he's going to knock down a high clip. So it's hard to argue against that. He would be putting up a lot of gaudy numbers that the guys are today. You know what, Shoms, you're the youngest one on this panel. So when the rest of us talk about Michael Jordan as much as we do and as glowingly as we do, what is your initial reaction? I mean, you're also in Chicago, so it's kind of an interesting perspective. I'm a Chicago guy, so I'm partial to Michael Jordan anyway, even though I didn't see his prom, I didn't see him play in the 90s, so I can't even say that, you know, oh yeah, I watched this moment, it was like transcendent. So it's tough for me. I was four years old when he won the 98 championship. But what I will say is when I see the clips, when I see the tape and you see the way, like Chandler said, defenses are, it's an offensive league now. The league is positioned for scores, for high numbers, for high stats. And there's no doubt, like the numbers Michael Jordan put up 36 and five, that would have been, you kind of multiply it by two. I don't think he'd averaged 60 a game, but definitely the rebounds, the assists, there's more rebounds to be had, there's more assists. There's probably a little more focus and attention to detail to being a more well-rounded player now than even before, as far as statistically. So yeah, I think, I think, would he average a triple-double? I think so. I don't even know if Eddie, do you want to chime in at all or just give us your face? My connection is so iffy, I mean. Just go for it. Michael would have gotty numbers, of course. I mean, he's Michael Jordan, 40 point triple-double. I mean, like where do you find the situations to do that? And he's that great. He could pull it off. I mean, I could see it, but the fact that we haven't seen it yet and guys are clearly gunning for that, makes me a little more reserved. Don't just double them. They couldn't hard double like that back then. They would just double him and that would be all the difference in my eyes. Am I on, are we all drunk today? Like, is this a rehearsal or are we on the air? Yeah, I'm sitting there. I don't know, I don't know, but we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, something will be said out loud and some pictures will be on the screen. What those things will be? I have no idea. Welcome back. We've got to talk a little suspension time here. Houston Rockets Guard, Jalen Green, and forward Jay Chantate both suspended a game because they left the bench during an altercation with the Kings. This was fourth quarter on Friday. Garrison Matthews fouling the Leake Monk. Then there's just a scuffle and some fun and some shuffling going on there. But it's weird because they appear to be actually trying to break this thing up. We get why the rules in place, right, Chandler? But do we like the rule given how it's being enforced here? Yeah, I get it because most times I feel like guys are coming off the bench to kind of protect and defend their brother and their teammate out there. And usually that's going to escalate the situation. This was a rare example where they were actually just kind of trying to break it up and they weren't trying to fight anybody. And this wasn't a lot. This was pretty petty. No one, most of these things are fluffing and nothing's going to happen. But I get the rule. I mean, it kind of protects everybody in a way and just kind of keeps things under control. But this was just a tough break because they really didn't do anything wrong. They were just trying to help. Right? Plus they can't afford to have guys not play. Come on. This seems silly. I think part of this is on the coaches, too, though, right? Like this is on the coaches to make sure that Jay Chantay and Jaylin Green aren't getting to the bench area. You saw what the King's coaches, they were up and like they got their guys. It wasn't the same with the Houston guys. So I'm not trying to put blame, but that's usually what goes in these situations. Yeah, look, if Amari Sotomayor is going to miss an important playoff game and kind of change the course of history because of this weird rule, they're not going to change it over Jaylin Green and Jay Chantay. And that was like a toe on the line on the court. These guys ran on the court. I mean, you know the rules. Just like Choms is saying the coaches know the rule. Just don't do it. There wasn't a fight.  And you guys are down 20. Like whatever.   You know what? Eddie looks better like that, you know? He just looks better. He just looks better when his face is paused. So I think- Just frozen. The Zoom guys are looking out for us. Choms, thank you as always for hanging out, especially long today. We'll see you tomorrow. We come back. Our parlays are straight garbage.  We'll do more before we get back. Every day wins. Make your day so much better. That's why FanDuel Casino has a daily free-to-play game. Reward Machine is a free game that gives players the chance to win up to $2,000 in casino bonus every day. FanDuel's Reward Machine is already given away over 10 million in prizes and has over 250,000 winners. To get in on the action, all you have to do is log in daily and spin for a free chance at rewards. FanDuel wants you to win. Play Reward Machine for a free chance that every day wins only on FanDuel Casino. Well, some of the greatest have fallen hard and that looks like what's going on here right now. This is a second one in a row of just straight, big, fat, red Ls. Gentlemen, I mean, I'm taking a moral victory and that my loss was the closest of the three. I mean, do we get points for that? The sad part is I really, really love those picks. Like I thought those were some of our better picks. That is the sad part, Chandler. That's why we're so great at this so far. Okay. I mean, we were like, as the games kept going, I was just like, man, we are not good, but it's okay. We are now on an ugly, ugly, mini streak, but sometimes that's what you need to get better. Is that right? Okay, great. We have another chance today, Eddie. Let's start with you. I'm going with the home team. Nick Claxton playing against yours first. Somebody has to get some of these extra points with Kevin out. He had a great game against the Thunder. He's already had a great game against the Spurs this season.  Yeah, I mean, I think this is the turnaround because the Spurs are that bad. You know what? When is his signal going to go out again? Is that happening soon or? Chandler, what do you have? What do I have? I have Anthony Simons over 20 and a half points. Listen, he averages more than that and he's playing Denver, who's not very good defensively. So when you combine those two facts, he should have over one and a half points. Why can't we get through this without laughing? Because we're awful. That's why we can't. I just went straight Clippers, money line. I'm gonna, I feel like. No, I just feel like, I need a fresh start. I need to like zap some energy to this. Okay, Eddie, first of all, number one, don't think I didn't notice that you just skipped coming to San Antonio and went straight to the West Coast. That's fine. We can talk about that privately offline. Secondly, would you like to make a friendly wager on tonight's game? Oh my God. I think that's a hard, you know what, Chandler? That, you know what this means? You get to take his wager and give it to me. What would you like Eddie to wager me? I like the Sixers over the Clippers, Michelle. What?  The only one I like tonight is mine, if I'm being complete. Okay. And money lines are usually the safe pick, but. Yeah.  The Sixers are finding their steam right now. Nick, we're betting on Nick Claxton to have 15 points. That's where we are. Yeah, well, I mean. We're betting on. I do get the logic of him. We're betting on two days of, how long has James Harder been in LA? We're betting on that. Are we? That's a great point. Some of some of guys best games are when they're hung over and drunk, Eddie. That's when I'm starting to show tomorrow. Eddie, would you like to make a wager on tonight? Because anything could happen. Just a friendly wager between besties and their teams. But if we, oh, yeah, let's make one. You use my wife by tomorrow if the nets win. Hell, no. Actually, that's fine.  No, I think the loser gets a tattoo of the winner's choice. That's an easy one to make every single time. I'm down. I have a lot of checks. I'm down. Me too. I'm in. Chandler, how are you contributing? I think I'm losing service right now. I can't hear you guys. Man, if there are awards given out for shows that barely got through and on the air, then we just won the grandom of them all. And I'd like to say that, by the way, it's if there's smoke, there's fire, or if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.  That's going to do it for us today. We're going to see you guys tomorrow. Hopefully have a good one.


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My name is Stefka Dimitrova and I'll talk about including voices and perspectives that often go unheard. And I will start with a brief introduction of myself and you will learn more why I am sharing about myself and how that's related to the topic and to the presentation. So, I'm currently in VMware's Osponsor's Program Office being a program manager working with communities, community strategy team and I've been in tech industry for about 10 years. I've had previously a background in business and economics and had done different types of work and I'm also passionate about outdoor climbing, outdoor education, mountaineering, I'm a mountain guide that I do as a volunteer work as well and I'm passionate about improvisational theatre and playback theatre and you will also learn about it and how it relates to the topic. So, in all of these different things that I do, I find inspiration from one area to bring into another area and to grow and to learn and to help me improve and help me also share that knowledge with others because it's sometimes when I'm stuck in one particular topic or problem in a certain area that I only can move forward when I found the solution somewhere else. And I hope you will be able to get some inspiration as well from other areas. And starting about talking about including unheard voices and it also starts with a personal story and that's why I shared a bit about myself as an introduction and I'm not an expert in this and I don't think I'm like the person who have found all the solutions but I'm on my way and that's what I want to share it. And it all starts with just sharing that with my first career which was about 15 years ago that's how I looked like at that point. I was the junior consultant in a financial company, being the only woman in the group, being the most junior and not really allowing myself to share any thoughts, experience, feedback. I just kept silent, I mean in team meetings, in conversation. I thought I'm not experienced enough to speak up. I probably missed some of the information that others know or I just am not worthy enough to speak in conferences. It's not possible to share but to just even share internal messages. And then slowly I was being able to gain more confidence, to work hard, to work really hard into being really acknowledged and to grow into my career. I moved into a technical job in the tech industry as a consultant and it was a German company so besides being one of the few women in the group, again pretty junior, I was also the non-native speaker in the room usually which added to my unwillingness to really share so much about myself and about my thoughts and my experience and my knowledge. And I'm not sharing that to complain about being underprivileged because I'm in the privileged group in many other aspects because I've never experienced really any racism or I've not really been in a disadvantaged position in terms of nationality culture besides some biases about Eastern Europeans violence and Eastern European women. Sometimes I also don't have any disadvantages so I'm in a privileged group in many other aspects but I wasn't really aware for a long time that I felt being not worthy enough and that's what I didn't share so much about myself. It was not until I got into a management position that I was responsible for other people that I realized I needed to fight for them to be recognized, to allow space for them to speak, to share, to get feedback, to take seriously in their career and I found my way at that time. My way was to work really hard, cost some burnouts and I thought that this is the normal way for a professional woman to be recognized, to really need to prove much more than maybe my other colleagues needed. And then sharing that and this is a framework that I really like reading through a paper and some articles. It's about different layers of power and less power. So Pamela Hayes describes this cultural characteristic so in some of the areas we might have more power. For example, like being junior at work we'll be in the group of having less power then we'll grow into the career and then we might go into the other way where this is also called besides power dynamics it helps recognize, understand the complexity of the identity so just think about areas where you might be underprivileged but then having other areas where you have more power and just think about your own examples in different circumstances depending on the different groups and this is just one framework of course but what I want to share with that is that regardless whether we are in the underprivileged or privileged group we can do some things about it. Otherwise we all lose. So in a way if I don't share my feedback and I will feel that I don't really belong and I've done that for a long time that I don't belong to that group then I might be less motivated to do my work which will lead to less creativity and less really flexibility and willingness and desire to complete my task and that I call some burnout or maybe I don't have good connections and relationships with my colleagues or my company will lose the added value that I could bring for that and in the end there are more partners, customers other people, the wider community losing my lack of willingness to participate or to speak up and to share my feedback or my knowledge and this is related to costs and I've just tried to find some research on how much does it cost, how much does the exclusion cost and you can see here that there are estimated loss from different research and some of them are old so I guess that the amount will be even higher but there are really huge loss and this is estimated you see 160 trillions, that's a loss in human capital wealth due to gender inequity you see as a research for homophobia in India and how much does it cost as a percentage of the GDP or how could the GDP grow 4-6% in US that's a huge growth that could be possible if the racial gap didn't exist or if people with disabilities were included then we would avoid such a growth cost in terms of loss in GDP and I told you that I have a financial background so I was really interested in finding real numbers about the costs associated with unheard voices so it's not only me who will be suffering from that it's not only my group of people and my company but it will be a global loss and I shared just a little example and I said I'm not really into most of the un-privileged groups but many others are and so this was the purpose and my idea when I started to think about this talk is to recognize the blind spots to recognize the blind spots that I have to have some awareness about that to share that with you and also to motivate you to speak up to be an ally for someone else to provide space and I will do that by providing some examples and hacks from other areas as I already told you and that can be applied in our work with open source communities and the inspiration is everywhere and I found it doing some work as a hobby and improvisational theater called playback theater and I started it as a way to improve my presentation skills and be able to speak up here in front of public without shaking and losing my voice and it ended up something that I really love and like doing and playback theater is an improvisational form of theater where a group... where there is the audience like you and then performers, actors, musicians and a facilitator which would be we call conductor the role audience share stories which will be played back by the actors on stage and it starts with some small stories, small sharing but then this helps the group get connected and it's a work used a lot in social and I've drawn here some similarities in terms of common principles and values but I will share first a bit more about playback and then I will come back to share the similarities with open source and because it's art and I wanted to present art in some more artistic way which will be hard to be like a solo performer so I just combined some videos of different groups some of them that I know personally so that I can give you a little bit of an excerpt of what's playback theater and then that will be easier for me to explain what are the hacks or what are the tricks that I want to share taken from the playback theater as an example so here is the video and I hope we can hear it well Experience where people from the audience share stories or moments and then through the generosity of the performers it's retold for the audience in a way that is really enjoyable Do you hear the voice well or we need it a bit louder It's just brilliant I don't know how they get the energy for all those creative ideas it was such fun You have kind of like an idea of what they might do and they always do something bigger and better It touched me on an emotional level and I think it's really good that we can see that coming out of theater I love that you never know what you're going to get So it was a part of everything that I either experienced or it was remonted all It was fantastic It's a form of applied theater where actors, musicians and dancers take stories from the audience and then on the spot lay them back as literal interpretations, metaphor or allegory using music and movement Playback theater is improvised That doesn't mean it's always funny Our shows often flow smoothly between drama and comedy and even tragedy as our goal is to honor the teller and their story We begin each performance by being a little vulnerable and by demonstrating what the audience is about to see Hi, my name is Naya Each player steps forward and reveals something about themselves and then the rest of the team plays it back This helps set the tone for the program and lets the audience in on who we are Then we begin by asking our audience how they're doing with a few low stakes questions I started out feeling a little bit stressed I'm solo-parenting this week So I felt a little bit better once I transitioned Okay, so let's watch And this is my playback company in Bulgaria They're built as human beings to communicate through stories This is Jill Follis She's one of the co-founders of Identity It's how we construct our sense of history It's how we construct meaning So Playback Theatre is about stories but not the stories of fictional heroes and heroines not the stories of distant celebrities but stories of yourselves, of ourselves of neighbors, families, friends, strangers ordinary people Okay, so after each voice after each one we would play back what we heard in a short movement improvisational theatre piece one voice at a time and after a little while when we felt there was a connection we would invite someone to come and sit over here with me if I was the conductor and tell a longer story and after a while we'd hear several of those stories and act them out and after an hour or so you the audience, we the performers we would have co-created a kind of tapestry of stories we were crazy enough to embark on something completely unknown this was in 1975, I don't know if I said that that was a very fertile time for new ideas we did keep going and after not very long people began to do this in other parts of the world Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Asia Europe, Eastern Europe, Africa, the Middle East in theatres, schools, prisons refugee camps, government departments there are people with stories everywhere so this kind of versatility can make it a little hard to categorize what can be the purpose of something so peculiar and to me the ultimate purpose really is about dialogue a kind of non-cognitive embodied dialogue that invokes creativity and imagination and builds dialogue builds understanding respect, connection, empathy and change the world needs dialogue clearly and we can offer what we know we know how to make a space for stories we know how to create an atmosphere of authenticity and trust and safety we know how to embody a story so that the teller knows that she's been hurt the audience knows what she has lived yes, so in a way this was one of the co-founders she and her husband founded that 58 years ago 48 years ago and what they did is they gave it for free to the world like open source in a way there is no franchising because there are some regulations about trainers and accreditation for trainers but besides that everyone can practice playback and it's done in 70 countries now around the world and also it's a community thing so it requires community engagement it's a collaborative event you know it doesn't it doesn't happen if there is no collaboration between audience and the artist and it's improvisation so there is a lot of adaptation transformation also starts with almost transparent sharing and that's invites for real human connection with spontaneity and creativity and these are the things that I've taken out from Playback Theatre I work there, I'm passionate about there and then I try applying it everywhere else including especially in open source community how to invite voices how to invite people first is creating a safe space and in Playback Theatre you've heard a bit about it but there are certain rituals they are designed to create a container where people would feel safe enough to share to be vulnerable to be themselves there are code of ethics the code of conduct and we do that in open source whenever I share about Playback Theatre feel free to relate to your work and take some examples and it's not always possible to have safe space and you'd probably just think of examples where there is a really hard conflict and some people feel hurt or not welcomed or not really safe enough so then we aim at creating a soft space and I like this term in terms of that's a space where it's not completely safe from falling down and hurting but it won't be but it will be soft if you fall down so you won't hurt much you have a mechanism to heal, to protect to provide help even if it wasn't so safe and I try to relate to that and especially when Playback Theatre is done and is hurt in prisons it's done in and I've worked also with refugees and it's really hard to really allow everything to show up there but it's worth doing it show vulnerability and this is on one hand done by the introductions of the actors at the beginning but it's something that we can always do when we want to approach people to show vulnerability and share with some honest sharing and then just think of when I started this presentation I shared about myself and my personal experience and you don't have to tell me but you just think of whether you trusted me more after I shared that or less or how do you felt about it so this vulnerability is essential for developing the trust and building this safe space and in this way we lead by example we can support only when we are also allowing ourselves to be vulnerable and show up and allow ourselves to make mistakes at some points Sociometry is used a lot in playback theatre and this is a technique a method that's been developed for from the founder of psychodrama Moreno and is used to discover and to describe the existing relationships the social status between the people the structures that exist so it can be simple as asking some questions like who in the audience comes from from Spain or who comes from different regions then it can be also developed in a way to recognize what are the existing relationship with the people and this helps to to extend the to come from the unconscious to the conscious because there are some unconscious thoughts of feelings of being accepted to reject it in a group and with this we help them show up and then it's much more easier for someone to approach and say I see your friend and you know each other from working together previously maybe I can now ask something and I can be in that group as well because whenever people gather we make choices and as I said they might be conscious or unconscious but we always make choices whether we like or dislike the people where we trust them or don't trust them and making some of the small conscious will help us building that trust provide opportunities for dialogue conversations in small groups so one thing that I really like when get to do that in the performances is to invite the audience to share so they have five minutes to find someone in the audience that they probably didn't know before which would be the best to find someone that they really wanted to get introduced to and get to know each other but it could be also just sharing to the person next to you and this helps again invite people who might never feel safe enough to speak up in the larger audience but they could share at least something personal to the person sitting next to them and I've applied that in meetups doing breakout rooms providing different opportunities to really speak with people in smaller groups for people to come together and to share in smaller groups before they are ready to really share in a larger audience and this all needs training so training to be to listen actively to listen empathetically and my dogs doesn't listen actively or empathetically right now maybe actively because I was just met about them running in the rain but I'm having a picture of them because I said training because this is constant trying and maybe doing some mistakes and maybe stepping on some shit and this is a props here this was an exercise to to help people to help your group not step on shit but sometimes it happens and whenever it happens recognize it early enough and try your best next time and train to be better and understanding and inviting others and to use your creativity and imagination and art in that and art in this way I mean also really providing the opportunity to not be only in our conscious brains but also get connected with on an unconscious level and so there will be a an ideal scenario where if I go and talk to you or talk to someone new or a new colleague in my company then I'll be happier and feel more motivated to work have more creativity which will be a greater benefit for everyone around me not just me personally as well not my colleagues as well more happy faces around and a happier and inclusive more inclusive world and this sounds ideally but it's really just as most steps that we can do on one hand as allies or as people of privilege in certain cases but also being also aware of some situations or areas where we will be the underprivileged and we wouldn't think that our opinion matters to think about that it does matter so to wrap it up some of the learnings from the playback theatre that I'm applying and trying to really consciously do on a daily basis in my work is creating that safe space or at least soft space something I didn't mention but it's a really key for improvisation theatre is saying yes and and this doesn't mean that I will be that I will agree with everything that my colleagues will say but I will allow a space for that so in improvisation it's whenever the colleague is offering something you don't say no that's stupid think you add to it so in a way just allow that space okay maybe I don't agree with that but let it just let not react to that let just have no biases to that and just allow it to be and then add my opinion to top of it but not necessarily as a conflict show vulnerability be honest and share I already said using sociometry to relate and to build these empathetic and state also provide opportunities for dialogue and sharing in small work groups that's also something that that I think we can all think of ways to to find such opportunities and and just to think of areas where I said where you wouldn't pick up in a large audience but we might find the one-on-one conversation with someone and invite that person or yeah approach them and use art imagination and creativity to connect on a deeper level and of course that's not always easy giving day-to-day job that's really focused on providing outcomes and results but we can all be creative about it and then really have some other activities and I shared my way my way is by doing different things that inspire me in each of the other but you can have your own way to really train yeah this is a train all these all these methods and also in this way not only being active and empathetic when listening but also have a way to reach to your deeper resources and we all have these deep resources that we can apply when we have the inspiration we have the encouragement to deliver our best so why not we start it right now and there's an invitation to that's there is never a best moment to plant it free so it was the best moment was like 30 years ago but the next best moment is just right now so the same is yeah I shared some of my learnings and I've definitely find my ways back then I would do that on the front right now but I couldn't change anything and I don't really need to I have my learnings and now I can find my better approach and by sharing you these thoughts and these learnings I hope to allow you also that safe space and imagination and creativity to find your way to include voices and perspectives and share your voices and perspectives and I'm thinking you for using that because I've been to so many great presentations these days and I I go to listen to more people and to talk with more people in these events and I'm really happy that this is such an opportunity and this is for me also that's why I choose that as a really good venue to show you and tell you about my passion and I invite for any questions that you might have or sharing yeah there is a hand my dogs yeah that's my real picture ah no this was props that was props on the floor you mean this picture no no no it was just for their plastic no that was plastic yeah I will find it somewhere but yeah okay here but really looked real so I was really making my best to not step on it yeah question you mean after a performance what's or for me yeah for in my work yeah yeah I can yeah yeah I just realized that there is no microphone so the question was after after I started doing playback theater what was the benefit and how it influenced my work so on one hand it's yeah having to trust myself more because working as an actor or conductor I mostly conductor which is the facilitation role it involves a lot of active listening a lot of decision making on the spot and trusting my intuition because in many cases people share and I need to recognize the emotion because what with an actor sort of group playback we will play back the emotion of what they're sharing it's because we all heard that like the example in the video was like a person stressed out of being a solo parenting for a week but then what she really wants to tell in some cases might be I need support I need understanding I need someone to take care of me in other cases it would be something else and just listening for that message and then I can apply that at work in my personal life everywhere to really listen for the emotion what people are really telling me by telling me that story and that helps me a lot and after a performance usually what happens is that the audience stays together and wants to talk for half an hour or an hour later so this is so inspirational that you have a group of complete strangers that after an hour of a performance or an hour and a half they can chat as close friends so if that's possible in this setting then it's possible in all the other settings and I'm much more optimistic about people and humanity and our world because of that so that helps me being more motivated thanks for joining and thanks for appreciating your time and happy to talk with you after that thank you


For the safety of your smile use pepsidon twice a day. See your dentist twice a year Lever Brothers Company presents the pepsidon show my friend Irma created by Cy Howard and starring Marie-Wilson as Irma with Joan Banks as Jane Friendship, friendship, just perfect friendship, when other friendships have been forgot, there's will still be heart Book on Child Psychology and it said that if a child doesn't know what you're saying, act it out, dramatize it Well, I hate to differ with an eminent psychologist, but believe me, he's wrong. How do I know? Well, I live with Irma Peterson, a child of 23 and I have even drawn pictures for her and she still doesn't know what I'm talking about But there we're even because I can't understand what she's talking about For instance yesterday, I said Irma. Yes, Jane Look, it says in the paper that there's a new comet in the sky and this evening it'll be visible to the naked eye To the naked eye. I'm not gonna stand on the roof without my clothes on, I like this See what I mean Well tonight, I'm taking no chances. I'm reading. What are you reading? The Wall Street Market report. Oh, that's nice. Are they having a sale on vegetables? Honey, it's not that kind of a market. It carries financial news and it oh listen to this The Wall Street magazine offers a monthly prize of $150 to the secretary writing the best story of her most interesting experience Contest is limited to secretaries working in the financial district and they must be endorsed by their employer Gee gosh, I wish I worked in the financial district Jane. I had a wonderful experience I went canoeing once with a fellow in the moonlight and just when we got in the middle of the lake He stopped paddling so I said what's the idea of stopping and he said we've run out of gas You didn't believe him yes, I did but in those days. I was very naive But what did you do well? He was going to kiss me so I jumped overboard and swam to shore Irma, what makes you think that story is so unusual? Well, I was wearing a snood on the way over. I caught two fish I'll admit that story is a bit different But I think it's more for field and stream magazine This contest for the Wall Street magazine probably wants something more like the type of experience I had while I was working for Richard Rinalander, but you don't work for Richard anymore. Yes, I know So if I enter the contest, I'll probably give Richard a nom de plume. Oh, that'd be nice. Do you know what size he wears? No, honey, that means a fictitious name Naturally, I wouldn't want to do anything to antagonize Richard We're still very friendly. Oh, you still love him. Don't you Jane love him? Well, I don't know. Well, then why do you keep Richard's picture in the bedroom? Well, there was a frame there. I had to make use of it But you took out Lincoln's picture and put in Richard's why? Well, I never worked for Lincoln I'm glad you did it Jane. I never thought it was right to have a married man's picture in our bedroom But you do love Richard, don't you Jane? Irma, please, I'm trying to keep my mind on my experience. Now, let me look over these rules again I know you love him Jane and I admire you for it because you feel about Richard just the way I feel about my Al Irma, I'm trying to concentrate. I can use that prize money When I'm with my Al, my heart is so gay and it seems to dance and sing a song like Cucaracha That's Spanish for I love you Grosius, that's Portuguese for sorry wrong number Come in.  I picked up in a stone quarry Well, professor, you have a bump on your forehead. How did that happen? I got that going into my room I ran into the door. Oh, that's too bad. You should be more careful me Mrs. O'Reilly is the one who should be more careful when she puts a door on my room first. She should tell me What's new with you girls? Oh Jane's going to win a hundred and fifty dollars in a contest Is that right, Jane? What kind of contest? Only secretaries are eligible But Irma's a little ahead of herself I can't end her because mr. Thompson my boss is out of town and he'd have to sponsor me That's too bad. Just what would you have to do to win? Well, you write a letter telling your most interesting experience. Oh the ones I could tell You know when I first came to this country, I couldn't speak a word of English and when I got hungry I didn't know what to ask for so luckily I ran into a friend from the old country and he said I should ask for hard dog Everybody in America eats hard dog Yeah, but I couldn't remember the word hot so wherever I went all I could say is dog dog You know that first month I almost starved to death But I did wind up with six calories and four cockers family Gosh, it could have been worse. You know, you might have forgotten the word dog and said hot wherever you went wound up being Fandadeth Now if you think that was bad the third week I was in America I wanted a place to live so my friend said ask for a room with a bath, but I couldn't remember it So I asked for a bathroom You know, that's no place to live But since I'm not in the contest, maybe I can help you Jane. Well, thanks anyway professor But with mr. Thompson my employer out of town I can't at her because he'd have to sign my entry blank come in Professor, how'd you like the new door into your room? I bought it as a clearance sale This I know the bottom of that door clears the threshold by two feet Raise your rent. Remember you've got air conditioning now Tell me girls. What's new? Oh the Wall Street magazine is offering a hundred and fifty dollars for the best letter for the most Interesting experience of the secretary and Jane wants to get into the contest Well more power to you Janey, of course if it was a contest for landlady's or I could tell you plenty Yes, I suppose everyone has had interesting experience. Oh, not like mine. I remember one experience I was a young girl for you. That's a surprising experience. I Started on a trip west first. I tried to get reservations on a train and a covered wagon Please professor. Well, anyway, I had to go over to New Jersey. So I took the ferry and I have artist canoe And I got to the other side who was there to meet me but captain John Smith Oh, you've seen me trying to tell a story that professor's so insulting I'm sorry, Mrs. O'Reilly. I always want you should think of me as a gentleman. Well, I'd like to Thank you, and I'll think of you as the same Mr. Riley tell us some more about your experiences. Well, all right Here's the one I like best when I was a young lady. I went to a formal ball I was wearing a pair of garters with diamonds on them and while dancing. I lost one of me garters Now they were very valuable and I knew it wouldn't be returned unless I offered an attractive reward So I said the gentleman who returned the garter could slip it back on me leg I Have been considerable excitement. Oh indeed. There was the newspapers even printed me picture. Did you get the garter back? Yes, some gentleman found it and mailed it back to me. I Can't understand why you only live next door. Oh I hear someone coming up the stairs come along professor. Maybe the girls are expecting company company. Well, no, we're not expecting. Oh Hello Richard of all people. Hello Jane. Hello everybody. I hope I'm not intruding. No, of course not This is a very pleasant surprise. We'll see you later. Come on, Mrs. O'Reilly you old We'll let the young people alone Well, it seems like a long time since I've been here, but everything looks the same tell me Irma is our working No, everything's the same You have a cigarette Jane we have 80 packs 80 how come Irma thought the cigarette machine was a jukebox The place was dark and I mistook Philip Morris for Perry Como Cocktail why that's exactly why I stopped by you know Jane I've been thinking of you lately and I thought we might talk about it over cocktails. Oh Richard This is kind of sudden. Oh, come on Jane. It's very seldom I get a chance to get away from the office this early, but Miss Benson is so efficient miss Benson Is that the girl who took my place? Yes, I didn't know you'd met her. Well, I just caught a Leasing glance. I really don't know what she looks like.  Yes, I'm sure she is Richard do you mind if I take a rain check on those cocktails? Why Jane? Well, I have a slight headache And I'd like to take a couple of carolins. I mean aspirins Well, I'm sorry you've changed your mind Jane, but if that's how you feel we'll make it some other time I'll give you a ring later on this evening. Goodbye Why are you angry Carolyn? Erma, do you know I worked for Richard three years before he even knew I had a first name? She's only been there three months, and he's calling her Carolyn. Well, that doesn't mean anything Jane I only worked for my boss. Mr. Clyde one day, and he started in calling me names Thompson would only get back into town I'd show Richard and that that's Carolyn come in Hello, Jane. Hi chicken Hey, what goes here? I've never seen the both of you so down in the mouth You look like a couple of cops passing an empty apple stand Richard just left and and Jane's upset because his secretary is in a contest and Jane can't have her most interesting experience because her boss is away and No, I mean Well Jane if you're in a jam just say the word I'm not in a jam It's just that the Wall Street magazine is having a contest for secretaries with the most interesting experience and the prize is a hundred and fifty dollars But I can't enter because you have to be endorsed by your employer and mr. Thompson's out of town can solve the whole thing You can When my latest deal comes through I'll have enough dough to buy both of you girls a make-up Oh, please don't bother me with your deals. What is it this time? pasting toothpicks on cats and selling them for porcupines No, no, this one is on a higher level more practical It's a device to save wear and tear on dames whose husbands is always coming home late See it's a specially designed launching device with an electric eye So no matter how quiet he opens the front door He still gets cocked over the head with a rolling pin without her having to get out of bed What do you think of it quite effective I feel even worse than I did before Irma, I'm going down to Wall Street and see if they'll let me enter the contest without mr. Thompson's okay. I'll see you later Yeah, I feel so sorry for Jane, you know, she needs a prize money But most of all she wants to show Richard that she's smarter than Caroline And the big problem is to get her boss's permission or a reasonable fact simile What do you mean reasonable fact simile got a bright thought chicken we both like Jane we can't let her down She must win that contest, but Al is what you're thinking legitimate chicken. I come here for love not to be psychoanalyzed Well handle matters so that Jane wins the contest Interested well because I like her. 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They've been using at home Yes, pepsi then won by the overwhelming average of three to one for its cool Mitty-taste for making breath cleaner and teeth brighter Try a new pepsi then toothpaste with Iriam and you will see the smile that wins is the pepsi then smile Tried to persuade the contest editor of the magazine to let me enter the contest without being sponsored by my employer Since he's out of town But I was turned down so cold my ears are still frostbitten and I'm burned up Oh, it isn't the money so much but every time I think of the look on Richard's face when he mentioned that carol and Benson I see red. I think I'll walk home and try to cool off Richard is so gullible.  What we could do to help Jane get into that contest got the angle chicken the rules say the contestant must be sponsored by their employer, right? Right now. Well, since Jane's employer is out of town. We go to his wife After all Thompson may be the boss in the office, but I have met the old lady and believe me chicken She is the head man in that outfit Yeah, do you think you can get her to do it sure chicken can't miss I'll tell you what to say you pick up the phone and dial this number All right, Al Well, I say just say something like Oh The Wall Street magazine is having a contest and your husband's secretary wants to enter and she will need your permission Because your husband is out of town got it perfectly Hello, the Wall Street magazine is having a contest and you have permission to enter because your husband is out of town with his Secretary Hello, Mrs. Thompson Well, oh, Mrs. Thompson is out of town with her husband message. Yeah, yeah when they come back tell them there were no calls Chicken when things are hot and you're in a spot. There's only one man with whom to cast your luck Who else but hello Joe Got a problem Jane needs her boss's signature to get into a contest And he's out of town. How can we bring him back? well In a slab of concrete Yeah, but Joe we need his signature.  Oh It's your wedding anniversary Yeah, well Joe, what shall I do? Uh-huh. Uh-huh Uh-huh Thank you Joe and goodbye noble friend Joe has given me the idea. I go down to the magazine and pass myself off as Jane's boss What do you mean now chicken? You are now looking at Ellsworth Thompson. Come on. Let's go All right Al and if you and mr. Thompson won't mind. I'll walk in the middle. I Guess no one's here It's only me again the old professor It tells me Jamie what did the man from the contest say well I still have to get mr. Thompson's endorsement, but I'm going to write the letter anyway You see tonight's the deadline and there's still a chance he may get back in time a good idea Jamie What experience are you going to write about? Well when I was at Vassar I used to spend all my leisure time on the bridal path And after I came to work for Richard one of his clients bought a horse But the client was greatly worried because he thought the animal spirit was broken. I've seen it happen Well, I offered to ride the horse in Central Park and believe me. I've never been on such a lively mare She tossed me into the air and I landed right in the lap of a sailor and his girl The sailor looked at his girl and said why is it wherever we go? There's always a chaperone Sounds very cute Jamie, but then she type it. I think I will well We can break the news to a later that we got permission for her to enter the contest Yeah, you had so much nerve passing yourself off as James boss and that editor was so impressed Yeah chicken, but you almost ruined things when you said I had just made a killing on the market Then you said it was all right because I did it in self-defense When he asked you if you thought we were having a bull market, and I said no everybody's telling the truth Well, what's the difference we put it over Hey chicken look there's a letter in the typewriter here to the contest editor. What does it say Al? Why it's ridiculous Listen to this gentleman when I was at Vassar is that bad? Oh, I certainly they don't give no hundred and fifty dollars to people who can afford to go to Vassar You got to appeal to their sympathy chicken get at the typewriter. All right Al all street magazine contest editor Dear mr. Wall Chicken that brain of yours goes in more different directions than a four-way cold tablet Make it dear mr. Contest all right no Instead of when I was at Vassar make it to when I busted out of reform school Slime oh Look what you wrote. I used to spend all my leisure time on the bridal path. That's not true Why not chicken James was never married That's right striking out chicken change it to where I came from a very poor family And you have no idea what a hundred and fifty dollars would have done for us in those days or even now That's a hint isn't it Al a subtle hint Now the rest of it we make up at the age of 12. I got a job in a sweatshop making sweaters No, no chicken just say I got a job in a sweatshop and there I was They announced the winner of the contest, but it means nothing to little Janie mr. Thompson didn't get back in time, so I didn't send my letter. I Suppose Richard and Carolyn will have something to crawl about now, but that doesn't bother me I don't even give her a second thought at least my hair is all one color Now where's that mystery book arm is reading? Hello Jane. Oh kids. Where you been?  We may get a message what kind of a message Fiddly do like it when you say fiddly do What are you two up to? Oh? nothing Then why are the two of you winking at each other? I got sympathy pains It'd be crazy. I'll just go on with my Matter Jane this carbon copy of a letter to the contest editor in this book with my name signed to the bottom of it Busted out of reform school Chicken why did you make a carbon? Well in case a contest was a tie? I thought it would be good to have a carbon so we could enter again Thompson's permission. I was mr. Thompson With this letter. I got a job in a sweatshop Making pleated skirt. I mean Stacy is the winner.  You must have the wrong 10% for your agent case Nothing doing I ain't gonna let a few bucks earn me the contempt of all my friend She can buy me a Christmas present. All right, Al. What do you want? Oh, I don't know give me a tie All right, Al, but don't tell me what size I want it to be a surprise Winning smile is a pepsidon smile again and again people have found the smile that wins is the pepsidon smile That's borne out by the vote of thousands who tried new pepsidon toothpaste with erium in a recent nationwide test These people were given plain unlabeled tubes of pepsidon and were asked to compare it with the brands They were using at home when their votes came in Pepsidon one by the overwhelming average of three to one These people say new pepsidon tastes better makes their breath cleaner and their teeth brighter than any other toothpaste. They tried Remember that's not just our opinion. That's what people say. They say it three to one They've seen pepsidon with erium removed the film that makes teeth look dull Uncover new brightness in their smiles Try it and you will see the smile that wins is the pepsidon smile Ends well, I'm still not too happy about Carolyn Benson with Richard But believe me in time little Jane Stacy will take care of that But I'm a hundred and thirty five dollars ahead and Irma has her fifteen dollars for Al's present Irma what Jane are you going to buy that tie for Christmas? No, I think I'll buy him some train tickets train ticket Yes, Al's very sensitive to the weather. What do you mean? Well, he always says he likes to get out of town when things get hot Rain or shine life is like that when you live with my friend Irma My friend Irma is produced and directed by Cy Howard Carl F. Levy likes to strip the Stanley Adams role in the claim is brought to you by pepsidon toothpaste with erium Another fine product of Lever brother's company pretty Wilson starred as Irma with Joan Banks as Jane Wendell now speaking this is CBS to Columbia broadcasting