And I think it's about time to get started. Thanks for joining us and welcome to the CNI fall 2020 virtual member meeting on Cliff Lynch, the director of CNI, and I will be. I'll be running the session. The session is being recorded and there is closed captioning available that you can turn on if you'd like. There's a chat box and please feel free to use that. We're going to do this a little bit differently than we've done other sessions and let me just explain a little bit. So, this session is intended to close out the first week of presentations which took place last week through last Friday. This is an experiment that we're running for the fall meeting and we'll see how well it works. The idea. Well, the ideas are twofold to give us a little time to reflect on some of what we heard in the past week together, and also to try and create something that's a little bit akin to the sort of conversations that I would hear over coffee. When, when we met in person at CNI and people came out of the parallel breakout sessions and chatted a little bit with each other about what they found interesting and what they'd been hearing. The idea here is to do very much the same kind of thing. So, I've got a few comments probably 10 minutes, maybe a little bit more reflecting on a few of the themes that I had been drawing out of the presentations. And after I run through them, maybe just offering us a place to start, I'm going to invite others to share their comments. You don't need to wait for me to share your comments feel free to put your thoughts in the chat stream at any time we're not going to be using the Q&A box. Before I finish my comments, I'm going to invite further comments from those in attendance do keep in mind as I said that we are recording this session. I will just invite people to, to raise hands and I will, I can turn on your audio, or if you prefer, I can, I can, I can just read questions or comments that you put in the chat. So I'll, I'll leave that at your option now. The last thing I want to say by way of introduction is that I blocked an hour for this because I didn't know how long it could take. So long it lasts is really largely up to you. As I say, I have only can maybe 15 minutes of reflections max. And this will be true for all of the Monday summary sessions that we will be having week two will start tomorrow. It's on Tuesday at CNI. I did our fall virtual meeting. And next Monday, we'll have a summary of week two. So, with that, let me just dive in and reflect on a few things that really struck me. So, one of the issues that I saw surfacing repeatedly and it's not a new issue for us but it's one that I think is taking on increased importance is sustainability of projects. I think that one of the things we're seeing here is kind of a, I don't want to say an entirely new aspect to this but certainly a slightly shifted emphasis. What we're seeing now is projects that have built up really important relation resources for scholarly communities, usually with grant funding and which have a multi institutional flavor to them I mean, the resource may be hosted at a specific institution. They may move from institution to institution over time, but it's the work of a community of scholars from a number of different institutions who've come together to build this resource and now people are struggling with models that will allow these multi institutional resources to be sustained and managed. It seemed to be moving away from ideas of how will I characterize this subscription models and more into owner or participant models where a relatively smaller number of institutions will put resources into help contribute to the support of the resource and itself will continue along open access to the community. So, in some sense the participating institutions are backing up the contributions of their scholars or scholars at their institution that rely heavily on the resource. And this has lots of interesting dimensions including governance dimensions which show up in many guises. And I think we will continue to follow developments on this with great interest. I'd also note that we're seeing governance issues arise in other collaborative settings as well. There are resources that are being constructed that sort of sit in the tradition of non custodial or collaborative kind of facilitating archives for communities. And here again, there are questions of governance and bringing in the stakeholders in those communities. I think we saw a couple of particularly interested want interesting versions of this. And the set of issues arise in the presentation on the digital library of the Caribbean out of Miami, and also the presentation out of the University of Texas at Austin, about the very interesting work that they're doing with that. I want to call it multi lingual crowdsourcing but that's not exactly what it is. It really has some elements of that but it also has elements of a sort of sustained community of participation. I note that both of these projects that I just cited have substantial international dimensions as well as dimensions of what I don't know what to call it colonial histories and other other things that are implicated in there. But the issues around appropriate governance and appropriate participation and policy development are very, very real in these in these issues in these projects. I would really invite people to take a close look at that UT Austin project though I think some of the things they're doing with multi lingual communities in there, which I've not seen before. Perhaps, you know, there are other great exemplars of it and I just haven't seen them but I really found that very interesting. Another big theme is trying to understand and map out what's in collections we saw some very interesting work on that around web archive collections, for example. And I think I think we can trace other examples of this will be seeing some of these in a more technological context I think later on. But I think increasingly as we get into these large corpora. The challenge of just understanding what's in there is very, very real. Another real eye catching presentation that I'd urge people who missed who are interested in this topic to go have a look at the video of was from Berkeley and it dealt with reproducibility. And specifically computational reproducibility, but it dealt with it through a pedagogical kind of a setting. In other words, it was about how do you provide people with an organized framework and platform for demonstrating reproducibility or investigating reproducibility of a scholarly or scientific resource. And how do you do this on kind of a shared basis. How do you teach people to do it. And I think it's a project that libraries who are engaged in issues about and efforts in teaching people how to be effective scholars. And things like the carpentries like good research data management, good, good reproducibility discipline may find this quite interesting. But I've not seen a lot of emphasis on the sort of pedagogical role of this before and I found that to be very interesting. The talks that we saw last Friday that I found to be quite provocative was a collaboration around trying to organize all of the research that the National Science Foundation is doing with regard to COVID-19 and there's a lot of it. But how to really connect different PIs who and different research projects that are active in different areas of this are is a very real challenge. And we saw a report from the Northeast NSF Big Data Innovation Hub on that on the work that they're doing with a grant from NSF to build a resource for this. And I think this may be a very considerable interest to many institutions and to many of the participants in CNI who are trying to help researchers in their institution to discover collaborators and resource data sets. Now, one of these significant limitations right now is that this, this data, this resource that the, that has been built at Columbia by the data hub does emphasize NSF funded research and of course, there's a huge amount of research that's being funded out of the National Institutes of Health, as well as work coming out of other organizations like the Department of Energy. And they've also been investing in resources and one can hope that going forward these will become increasingly interlinked. And also of course our efforts to tie in research that's being funded in other nations and through explicit multinational efforts. I do want to note by the way the big, the big data hubs that NSF has funded don't seem to be that widely known within NSF and they're doing a lot of interesting work that touches a lot of different areas and one of the things that I did make a note of as, as a result of that session is that we really should bring together a session for the spring meeting that looks across the data hubs at some of the innovative work they're doing and showcases that for, for our CNI community. The last two things I'll just mention are, again, not new certainly but just were important reminders for me. One was in these international collaborations, the importance of thinking through and being mindful of the facts on the ground for your collaborating international partners. And we've seen, you know, many examples of this before, for example, collaborations to digitize material in foreign countries, where, you know, the sort of equipment that you could bring in the customs work, the maintenance kinds of issues are all very critical. One of the, one of the good illustrations we heard was of the dangers of simply assuming that there'll be decent internet connectivity there may be there may not be. And one needs to really think through approaches that are flexible and mindful of those realities on the ground. And that's, you know, that's a lesson we've seen in presentations at CNI many times but it's always one that's, that's easy to forget. And what I'll just say is I was really reminded in a couple of these talks and just how complicated, both technically and in terms of inter institutional arrangements and service interdependencies. The whole scholarly communications infrastructure has become. It is an exceedingly complicated ecosystem at this point and I do worry more and more about both the barriers to entry for new entrants that that complexity represents. But also, I worry a bit about the potential fragility of some of this. When you have lots of interdependent services, you have to start worrying about which ones are critical on which ones aren't and how things do or don't degrade gracefully if one of the services stops working for a while. So that's, that's again something that I think may may be worthy of a bit of careful thinking about going forward. And I told you I'd be brief. Those are some of the reflections that I came away with and you know I'm certainly not going to try and summarize every session. Those sessions I saw and I saw all of them for this first week live. I thought were really, really good. And they covered a tremendous amount of ground. In the coming weeks, I am going to try and get to as many sessions as possible live, but I know, at least, at least for week two, there are a couple where I have conflicts and I'm going to have to watch the videos. And also note that starting with week two, we will be supplementing the record the live sessions that will take place starting tomorrow with a group of pre recorded videos as well which should become available I believe tonight or tomorrow morning. So, with that, I haven't seen anything in the chat yet and I just open the chat. I'd open the floor to comments, if you'd like me to turn your audio on so that you can make some resume, make some observations. Go ahead and raise your hands and I'll turn your audio on and Boaz is asking, she is asking if I can elaborate on my last point about worries regarding interdependencies and services. Is it particular to network level type of work. How may we afford the risk here. It's really, to me, it's kind of a natural consequence of services that build on each other.  Interleaved into things we see various kinds of gazetteers and name authorities and in similar kinds of services. These are are really two things they're standards you know if you think of orchid for example it's a it's a standard identifier, but there's also a bunch of services attached to orchids that do various kinds of resolution and look up and things like that. Some, some systems just embed orchid as an identifier others make calls in real time to those to some of those services. Still others use those services as part of batch processing streams or or non real time processing streams that support the service. I don't think we have a real great map of those. And, you know, in a certain sense it's great it means we're, we're seeing common services and we're not reiterating or repeating, you know redundant effort. The other side of it though is it does. It does mean we need to think about robustness. I don't I don't know whether that got it what you're what you're thinking about other comments anybody want to want to take the take the floor and reflect on what they've been hearing this past week. I know that many of you have been at many of the sessions, and certainly there's been some great conversation at some of the sessions. I'm very surprised. This is usually not quite the shy group. Would anybody like to nominate out of the first week session. If you were suggesting someone at your institution or one of your colleagues that that was not able to get to the first week that this is one you really should. You really should go back and watch the video of while you're thinking about that and you're welcome to put your nominations in the chat I see there are a couple of comments here. Terri Lynn Fulton says she sees a lot of sessions reporting on work completed. But she worries that coven is causing so many of us to be more institution internally focused at our institutions that will have fewer projects to report on in future. And that is a really, really interesting question. I have one that I have been trying to get a bit of a handle on. And I can answer this in a lot of different ways. So, if you look at what happened to the research enterprise more broadly. What you see is that during the spring and summer. In fact, paper submissions went way up. I've seen reports from a number of the publishers and from a number of our member institutions that say that submissions to journals and grant proposals are up about 30% from where they were a year before. And one of that, obviously, is draining a pipeline. In other words, people couldn't get to their labs they couldn't do their field work. So what they're doing is they're writing new proposals and they are writing up data that they've already collected. And what that says is that as that pipeline empties, we may see some reduction in the amount amount of research that's coming out. I suspect that there is going to be a little bit of that effect for the kind of projects we look at it CNI. But I also am seeing a tremendous amount of innovation among our members, the nature of that innovation is a bit different. But I'm not at all persuaded that we're going to see a great reduction in the level of innovation, at least in the coming year or two. One thing I would say that's really interesting to me is that there are some people that are so, you know, majorly reorienting the focus of their researcher innovation, because the areas they're formerly working with are impossible for some reason or another. For example, I think that there are some reasons to believe that certain kinds of international travel are going to be pretty severely constrained for some time to come. Even as we start seeing hopefully the emergence of vaccines that will help us get this pandemic under control. Seeing people recognize that and do the research that they can do. On the other hand, there's also a stream of conversations that I've been very fortunate to be involved in. In the last few months growing out of work like the sorcery project which will have a video report on in one of the upcoming weeks. I don't remember offhand which one, but more broadly about how do we do remote access to archives. The archives and special collections have tended to be constructed under the assumption that people are going to come visit that that's the primary and best way to do it. Well, we're in a world right now where that's pretty much impossible in a lot of cases. So we're trying to, there's a group of people who are trying to think through and innovate through. We think about remote access to these kinds of things so that's, that's another example in our community of the changing, you know, sort of shape of innovation. I don't know whether that's helpful but it's certainly an area that we're going to be, you know, tracking quite closely. And the younger asks, or says she's intrigued by the move away from subscriptions and towards supporting open access by the collaborative community most interested in making the digital resource available. I think that's a really interesting development as well. You know there there's been a tendency to try and do these things as sort of large scale subscription models and there's a lot of friction to that. And there's going to be a lot of subscription fatigue as that those kinds of models scaled up so I think we really need to watch what's going on there. Several folks were quite taken by the digital library of the Caribbean presentation and mentioned that as one that colleagues might find very valuable. Jennifer younger another concern is how collaborative open access projects will be found to be in the direct interest of libraries to financially support. I say, I think yeah there's definitely going to be a limit of how many of them, but I think it's, it's an easier case to make if you've got people in your own local community who have a strong interest in that project either as contributors or heavy barriers, rather than just this is a nice project and we ought to support it. You know very good kind of case in point is the thoughtful kind of use that was made of access data. In trying to figure out how to support the preprint archive that started at Los Alamos and then move to Cornell. Now, what happened was is they ran out of grant support. They decided they needed to diversify sources of support beyond just Cornell underwriting it. So they looked at who were the heavy contributors, and who were the really heavy users, and they went round to those folks who not surprisingly were mostly major physics or mathematics research centers. There were folks like CERN or the Department of Energy labs or those sorts of places. And they said, you know, folks, it would really be your, your community you realize on this resource really heavily, and it would be really appropriate for you to help a bit to support this and they were very successful in getting support. Now, because of the broad, you know, kind of coverage of that, I believe they've got what a hundred or more supporting institutions. And some of these other resources that we're looking at are going to have much smaller supporter bases than that. It'll be really interesting to see how many, you know, what what those sort of sizes look like as the situation gets more stabilized. Somebody was asking about chat going to where chat goes. It looks like it's going to panelists, otherwise known as me, rather than to everybody. But I'm certainly repeating all the interesting ones here. We don't have any more in the chat so are there further comments in the chat or would somebody like to, would people like to put more comments in the chat, or would someone like to speak, or have we exhausted everybody. As I said, I did, I did, I really, this is the first one of these we've tried. I didn't know how I don't know how long we need for it, whether it's naturally sort of a half hour-ish thing or an hour-ish thing. But I felt that we'd be better off with more rather than less time if we needed it. So I'll make a last call for comments or raised hands. Carolyn Fulton says, will I address in another forum what I think we will see relative to the outcomes of the election. I will say maybe a little bit about that, but just a very little bit about that at the, in my plenary comments on the 14th of December. I think right now, you know, it's very early days and there are huge problems to be dealt with. I think, I think a lot of what I could say there is exceedingly speculative and I'm not sure I have any great insights on that but, you know, I'll certainly touch on a little of that and there will be plenty of time for questions at that plenary and if you want me to speak to some specific issues there, I'm happy to try and do so if I have anything sensible to say about them. And with that I'm not seeing any raised hands or further questions. So I'll just say thanks for this and I hope this was a little bit helpful. And I look forward to seeing you during the coming week two sessions. Please join us tomorrow and for subsequent days and we'll do this again next Monday at the same time. So take care. Have a good evening. Bye-bye.


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Just like the situation at Paz talks about Possoa disappearing on the streets of Lisbon and Bob and I were proximate on several occasions, we never met directly because Philip Lamontia and I wandered the streets of North Beach looking for Bobby one afternoon, we couldn't find him. But hours later we all congregated at the Neely Tchaikovsky's house and I saw the original manuscript of the ancient ring, the original and Bob was in the next room. So I wrote this essay, I'm just going to read a part of it, it's called the footnotes exploded, no footnotes, no academia with Bob, a voyager arriving in a darkened opal port, his verbal lenses honed by ingrown verbal preciseness, by an absence of buried mechanics. I think of the nascent Kaufman inwardly floating through explosive anemones never once singed by mundane repetition or sequel. His hearing is replete at the level of intuitive terminology at the root of its most seminal spinning. His language part aurora and lava flowing from a central vitrescence. It partakes of the spell being hypnotic and genetic and demeanor. I mean there is insight into life which sustains itself by means of intrinsic purity, by means of necessitous obscurity which can never be subjected to rational decoding to exoteric decipherment. Language then is not a given, not a sum to be captured and examined under a prevalent electron regalia. Verbal obstacle then leaps the accessible as sense, the quotidian as assumption. By his electrical presence Kaufman's language escapes the analytical, the moment by moment vacuum deemed climatic according to president assumed by the rules of rational exeges and such exeges denies and destroys the spontaneous in favor of pattern. Again Kaufman not a deleted fuchsia but original respiration, a voice capable of traversing acres of fire, his mandibles torched by elemental tattoos by various interior grails. And when compel such attention is his superior analogical power aged by a fabulous turbulence as if he had been cast into the fructive waters of the center of a brimstone mountain. It is a poetic energy which continues to prevail and by prevailing I mean sustained hypnosis as experienced by the reader. I wanted to continue with one of my all time mantras to my park, to my son Parker asleep in the next room.  On germinal trees and equatorial stands embryonic giants carved beginnings. On Tasmanian flatlands mudclothed first men hacked rocks still soft, on Melanesian mountain peaks barked heads were reared in pride and beauty. On steamy javas cooling lava stooped humans raised stones to alter height. On newborn China's plain mythless sons of Han acquired peaked gods with teak faces. On holy India's sacred soil future gods carved and worshiped reflection. On Coptic Ethiopia's pimple rock pyramid builders tore volcanoes from earth. On death loving Egypt's godly sands living sacrifices carved naked power. On Samaria's cliffs speech this artist's gouge messages to men yet uncreated. On glorious Assyria's earthen dens art priests chipped figures of awe and hidden dimensions. On splendid Peru's gold stained body filigree temples were torn from severed hands. On perfect Greece's body sights marble stirred under hands of men. On degenerate Rome's trembling sod imitators sculpted lies into beauty. On slave Europe's prostrate form chains sold shaped free men. On wild America's green torso original men painted glacial languages. On cold articles snowy surface leathery men raised totems and frozen air. On this shore you will all men before forever eternally free in all things. On this shore we shall raise our monuments of stones of wood of mud of color of labor of belief of being of life of love of self of man expressed in self-determined compliance or willful revolt secure in this truth that no man is our master nor can any ever be at any time and time to come tuning tuning is poetry. You have to tune the being through alchemy you know everything Bob did was a tuning and that's what a poet has to do every step every breath you take is tuning it's alchemical tuning and it comes out in a language because poetry is like trees and wind and stars it grows from the inside out not the outside end. And so one of my most trenchant influences has been Joanne Miro the great painter and Kauffman has felt the same way he wrote a poem called The Rumeiro I think that's what Bob was born in the Rumeiro in New Orleans Rumeiro Miro the flowers are up there on the wall where I last saw them and the time before that various with hot dots sticking out all over prancing darkly in their wooden frame their wall dancing like gypsies on the roof of a drum Miro there is a street with your name named before you after you then and now it floats and drops and shadings stranded in a fake Spain farther than Montroy way off a wet place of hot rains and yellow long leaf plants named for a broken son King Louisiana rhymes with yesterday gone past moved on ghostly brown wishes Miro your name is a black ribbon in a stabbed landscape rave cold forms slanted against a stew of burning symbols and eyes blatantly honking ducks go unnoticed and expensive feathers a faceless place of curving blood and fingering motions Miro empty turtles glide between a divide of baroque hotels fleeing to Shelley nest deep inside a scooped-out truth a scope of thinning cries a course of glinting oysters heavy draperies from to lawn and rooms of drowning furniture dangling in the mind's eye a walk through berserk air Miro I was born on your street 40,000 years ago in a year of April's and screamed a flock of dazed geese scattered Miro on that street I heard a fever and saw a white moon by the Galvez greens broken into millions of transparencies and after Bob you know I how can I do anything but right so this is the blood penguin of my own I am a carn I am the carnivore the hounded night Walker searching for my wings scattered under glass they claim I should return to monomial transfixing to exhibit a and no further to some I'm six foot and lizard to others I'm considered a mange lamb returned from the tropics I'm never given due as to some a proportion I'm seen as the source of something leprous as no longer the motive of who I was thought I was shaped to be I who live is misstate late damage as part of pointless verbal ejecta there are no nouns to ensnare me to fish up my blood so as to summon consensus I'm never that conditioned within the fire of conjoinment I'm never to be the human boy genius the archivist the barred child contending with study I'm none of the above none of the aforesaid compendiums I am the animus the vertical lion tundra the diamond bird who burrows under snow because of my leaning I know the stark Egyptian soma much as would have blinded cemetery scribe and because I understand one's basic neural unravelment I am seen as paeacular as specter as both standing and freezing being of some other form from some other planet as clinical moray addendum this contains in itself black and scroll marks from Moravia from squander quanta from the soon the islands from quaking fogs from Santiago they say I suffer from part powerful deafening by resistance my eyes wild and inforoscious with lapses the attention span blunted the astrological paralysis shifted so they say the unknown is the trigonomic is the transcendent nucleus the born equational spell according to the flaws in universal summoning I am ancient pantomime who cannot grasp who cannot transgress his inherited londino as to my in glyphs and squares I'm plummeted I'm simply without the means to conduct my own prism to make to take on the culpable mean at circumstantial limit I exist through negated practical limit through parallel subcauses without knowing the desire to seek the enzymes of living I am without and without and without I who create doubt and the genetics of perpetual conflict I could be strange as a human half-wrought who poses himself as Ilario Pazuelos it what is claimed against me is not unreasoned is not the treatise of post fanatics instead it is a curious treatise on circumstantial exhibit it says my values are possessed by distance like someone humbled or plagued by a treaty my dispossessed senses described by these methods under the forms of the treasonous it tells me I am lifeless blood equipment that my genes are not useful that my mind is simply stricken or exposed yet such a chronicle loses spores in the glass years it says I am of Africa and the seacoast of Ghana and the seychelles of insular breakage near the oizours yet it states my non placement my cavern my debilitating refuge not even a dwelling beneath the stars as a theory camp based on Saturn such is the ether climb the sub revelation is die electrical cartography conjoining with the ocelots swimming across the prisms of Mauritius or simple flat land in Manchuria these are seen as soils no known warrior can claim because I readily announced my resistance my tone as carnivorous psychic sparring wandering beyond pervasive death concussives claimed by genetic dislogistics by anarchic ruin by Jurassic sibling cirrhosis I cannot describe by cursory enclosure external motivation or any 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Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our weekly mentoring hour. This session has been recorded. Thank you for getting on this call. And we take this time to engage in asking questions, interact, discuss and make it a time of learning for all of us. So I just want to request any of us to please lead us in prayer as we get this time started. Can I request Charles to lead us in prayer? Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you, Charles. Right, let's pray and believe. Father God, we praise you, we honor you for you allow us to fulfill our plans and desires, to brand things and you allow us to see them come true. We thank you for this Bible college. We thank you for all that we have done since the year began, since the semester began, and we are here for this mentorship hour. Father God, we pray that as you tell us that as iron shepherds, iron sodas, man, shepherds, man, we pray that we shall be sharpened, edified so that we will be able to help the church to grow, for the grow of your name. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Charles, for praying. Just one, today we have Mrs. Jean George facilitate the discussion and over to Ji. Thank you, Pastor Naena. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good to have all of you on the call. And welcome to this hour of mentoring. This is a time that we take to address questions that you may have, maybe some things that you have learned as part of your course or as part of a ministry that you're leading or even the Christian life. So the floor is opened for you to put in your questions. You could either unmute yourselves and raise a question or even put it up on the chat. And we have our faculty here today who will all do our best to provide you the answers. So over to you to put in your questions. And yes, we can take it from there. So in the meantime, till we're warming up to ask our questions, maybe we'd like to just open this to any of the students to probably share with us what you've learned through this. Maybe this last week or the last 10 days, something new that you've learned that that's touched your heart that's that's helped you apply it in your Christian life in your Christian walk. Maybe you could share that over here. So probably I could call upon Felicia. I'm sorry if I haven't pronounced your name right Felicia. If you're on the call, would you like to share with us anything new that you've learned through this last week or 10 days. Okay, thank you teacher. Thank you for giving me time. I understand me. Yes, yes, we can follow you. Yes. I'm very sorry. Maybe I cannot say something because right now our network is very bad, according to it was raining so full. So I don't think if you, I don't know if you if you understand me in a good condition because our network is very, very few. Felicia, we can hear you very well. Please go on. Let me take this time to thank you my God for this opportunity to be at this Bible college. And then let me take this time to give my thankful to all staff and the all students. So I would like to ask you one question which somebody asked me as we start and we go out of our study to do exercises to preach and to tell many people according to the good news of Jesus Christ. So I met with one person and that one asked me one question which I would like to share with you. If possible, you can give me explanation more than what I know. The question is this. The person asked me how people can be freely from sin. He asked me somebody I hate to still or to make funcation but I meet but he meet himself in other things.  That is the that is the words which he told me. Is it that right? How can I help him? Please everybody who has more information about this can give me explanation according to this issue of this one. Okay, thank you. Thank you for the question. I just want to repeat what you've said so that I correctly understood it. I think you've asked as how could one live a life without sin. Even when they are moved to sin, even when there are areas of sin that they may continue in, how could one live a life free of sin? Did I pick that question right Felicia? Yes. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm giving this open to the faculty, anyone among our faculty would like to answer the question. May I request either Pastor Paul or Pastor Nancy? Would you like to take up the question please? Yes. Thank you, Jean. So Felicia, just to clarify, Felicia is asking, is it right to live in sin for a believer? No. How does one not live a life free of sin? How does one live a life free of sin? Okay. All right. Thank you, Jean. Felicia, we see in the Word of God that the Lord Jesus has already paid the price for our forgiveness, for our redemption. And therefore, we can live a life free of sin. So one thing is for us to understand what the Lord Jesus has done for us. So when we know that we already have everything that we need to live a victorious life, then one is able to live free of sin. And also, we have the empowering of the Holy Spirit with us because we know that before the Lord Jesus gave his life for us in the Old Testament, the ministry of the Holy Spirit is very different. But after Jesus's work on the cross, every believer now also has the Holy Spirit living on the inside of us. So we can also be led by the Holy Spirit.  So I think I'll stop with that, Jean. Maybe others could also add to that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Is there anyone else who would like to add to what Pastor Nancy said? Pastor Paul, would you like to add to what Pastor Nancy said? Yes, thank you. Thank you, Jean. So Pastor Nancy has a very brief answer than most of it. So yes, so we are all empowered by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit gives us the strength to overcome temptations. Now we know that, Felicia, that temptations will come. But when we live our life, knowing what Jesus did on the cross, knowing that we are walking, we're already in victory. We're not fighting for victory, but we're walking in victory. And that revelation, that understanding will really help us to overcome sin. Because the enemy is going to come with temptations and he's going to do his work. But God has, you know, on the cross, he's made us victorious. And so as Pastor Nancy said, the Holy Spirit inside us will give us this strength. Just want to leave us with this verse. You know, when temptations come, this wonderful verse which says that greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. The world refers to the works of the enemy as well. So I'll leave it at this. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Paul. Felicia, I'd just like to add maybe one more point is the basis of our Christian life is because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. And our victory comes because of what he did on the cross and we are dead to sin because of what he did on the cross. So it is a foundational truth for us to every time when we are faced with temptation to help ourselves understand that by what Jesus did on the cross, he's taken away even the power of sin and we read that in Ephesians chapter two. He's taken away the power of sin and that makes us dead to sin because we live with Christ. Yeah. So in addition to that, just wanted to add those points. Felicia, I hope that answered your query. I hope that answered your question. Yes. Thank you, Pastor. I understand. Thank you. Thank you so much, Felicia, for that question. We have another question on the chat and this is by Charles and I'll just read that out. In Old Testament priests were not allowed to be impotent or have a rum, et cetera. I've forgotten the verses, but during this time of grace dispensation, do these things still hold? All right. Pastor, may I please request you to take on this question? Oh, yeah. Thanks, Jean. Sir Charles, the answer is no. These things do not apply to us. So in the Old Testament, there were a lot of instructions to the priests, those who served in the temple. A simple example is, I think in Ezekiel, he says, you shouldn't wear anything that causes you to sweat. So nowadays, we sweat on the pulpit for so many reasons. I mean, it could be hot weather or whatever. So that means you can't be sweating while you're ministering as a priest. But so like this, there's so many things. The priest had a certain attire, certain role. We had to do certain things. Now, none of those things carry over into the New Testament because one, the New Testament tells us very clearly that we have been, we are no longer under the law. I just let me just post a few references there. So we are no longer under the law. We are under grace. We are dead to the law. Romans chapter seven verse six says, Galatians 518 says, we live in the spirit. We don't live by the law. So the answer is no. Those things do not apply to us. We are still priests, meaning that there are many parallels in the Old and the New. Old Testament God had priests. The New Testament, we are priests. But our role as priests is very different. In the New Testament, every believer is a priest. And the focus is on the spiritual ministry that we are called to do. So Hebrews 13 says we offer up spiritual sacrifices as opposed to what they did under the old covenant. So the short answer is no. Those things won't apply because our role as priests has been redefined in Jesus Christ. Thank you pastor. Charles, I hope that addressed your question. Yeah, thank you so much. I'm hearing it. Thank you, Charles. Thank you. Okay, we have another question that's raised by John. I read out the question. It says, could you share some light on Matthew 1112? In the NKGV, it is translated as, as from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force. In the NLT version, it reads, and from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing and violent people are attacking it. My question is, who is the violent people mentioned here? Is it us or people in the world who want to destroy the works of the kingdom? I have heard some interpretation saying it denotes, we forcefully advance, we denotes we forcefully advancing in kingdom. Okay. So John, just to clarify, did your question, that interpretation mean that we as believers are the ones who forcefully advance the kingdom? So you would like to know, right? Yes. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I'm opening this out to the faculty or anyone to take up the question. Yeah, John. So a good question. Pastor, you're on mute, Pastor. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that. Yeah. So when we have a text like this where, you know, we're not really sure. So there are two things we can do. We look at the context, you know, like what led into Jesus making this statement so that then it kind of gives us an idea, you know, okay, oh, he said this because, right? So when you look at Matthew chapter 11, all the way from verses one to 12, you look at the context. This is the context in which he made the statement. So therefore we can understand what he was trying to say. That's one thing we can do. The second thing we can do is to read the same verse translation in many versions of the Bible. And that's a very helpful thing to do because the translators have put in a lot of work already for us to try to arrive at the right meaning. So you can look at translations that are close to the Greek. And also you can look at translations that are interpretive in their approach like the passion translation others. And a common, what you would find, I mean, other than what has been quoted there, the NLT, a majority of the texts, if you look at it, then the interpretation is that the kingdom of God is advancing forcefully and people are pressing into it. The idea of violence is about us people who want to enter into the kingdom. There has to be violence or you could, some verses, you know, passion or there has to be that sense of pressing in from our side to enter into the kingdom. So that's kind of the thing. Also if you look at the context, what was the context? The context is the first part of that Matthew. The context is John the Baptist is asking about Jesus. You know, are you the one or should we look for another? That means are you the one who's going to help us enter into the kingdom or is it going to be somebody else context? Jesus says, go tell John what is here and see. The blind see the lame walk and he talks about the miracles and the gospel being preached. So the preceding verses, the idea is John the Baptist is asking the question, are you the one or should we look for somebody else? Are you the one who's going to usher in the kingdom? Are you the one who's going to make the kingdom available to us or do we look for somebody else? So the whole context is about us being able to enter into the kingdom, experience the kingdom. And then after that Jesus comments about John. He says, you know, John is like the forerunner and so on. So both the context and look, and I'm saying this very quickly, but both the context and the various versions of the Bible bring out this singular meaning, which is God's kingdom is advancing and people need to press into it. And why do we need to press into it? It's because there are a lot of things that are trying to restrain us. The world, the flesh and the devil are restraining forces trying to keep people from entering into the kingdom. And so if we have to enter into the kingdom, we have to press in, but the kingdom is also forcefully advancing. Is it okay, John? Yes, of course. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, John, for that question. We'll take up the next question by Herbert. He's written about sin, I have a worry.  Not so. So I'm not sure if you're making a comment here or a question or a reference to a point that was made earlier. So you're right that if we are not saved, we die in sin and we do not have eternal life. But it's only through the Father, only through Jesus, only through belief in him as your Saviour, do you have eternal life? So that is the reference that was made even earlier. Was there any other doubt on that, Herbert? Not really. I just wanted to be sure that maybe it is automatic that if Jesus died for us, then it is automatic to go through heaven without believing in him. Thank you. No, I just want to clarify and reiterate that it is only faith in him that takes us to eternal life that brings us to heaven. All those who do not believe and who die in sin do not have eternal life. That's what scripture says. So I hope that's clear, Herbert. Okay. We'll move on to the next one that Sid Keno has written a question. I wanted to know, in the Bible, God loves Israel more than any other nation. God says, Israel are my people. Then what happens that today only 2% of the people are in Israel are Christians. 2% of the people are Christians. And what is the thing that India is lacking as we see that there is a revival in the western and African countries? There is something which we as a nation is lacking. Is it holiness, belief or anything else? So Sid Keno, what I understand from your question is what is it that is lacking in India that does not keep us as favored as Israel? Is that what you're meaning to ask? Could I just have clarity in your question? Actually, ma'am, my question has two faces. One is about Israel and one is about the rest of India. Okay. So you would want to know why is Israel the chosen nation? That's the first one, I think. And second is, why isn't revival happening in India like it is in other western or African countries? Is it because of a lack? These are your two questions. Bismam, Bismam. All right. Thank you. So the first question on why is Israel the chosen one? If I'm right, this was addressed, I think the week before this was addressed. So can I just may I at least request any of the pastors to address these two questions? There are two questions. One was addressed. So Sid Kenu, maybe I'd suggest if you could just look back at last week's recording, you would have a perfect answer to this because this was addressed last week. And we could go out if that is okay as to why is India not seeing revival like other countries? And is it something that we lack? I'm looking this question to the pastors or anybody to address. Anyone can take up the question. Yes, Pastor. Yes, Sid Kenu. So the second part of your question about revival in India for that matter revival in any part of the world. Just to just to point, you know, so I guess one of the things we can do is to look back and learn from history. So there have been revivals and moves of God even in India. When we look back in history of the church in India, there have been moves to the spirit. And also, we can see that, say for instance in Punjab, that part of our country, especially in the last recent times, I would say the recent decade or at least the last five years, there has been a significant move of the spirit. So the answer is I guess the same for every country. It's a matter of us praying, seeking God and being willing to do the things God wants us to do to see revival. So while we are going about doing our regular things, if God's people pray, seek Him. So the answer to having revival is the same in every part of the world. And we need to do that here in our country as well. Sid Kenu. Thank you, Bosto. Thank you. Elisha's question. Thank you. Yeah, Elisha has a question. He says, would there be VIPs and VVIPs in heaven? So would there be very important people and very, very important people in heaven? Opening the question to any of our faculty to answer. Bosto Roshan, would you like to take that question? Yeah, sure. Thank you. I think in short, I would say, I have to say no, but a lot of things that come to my mind in terms of, for example, in revelation, we see that every tribe and every town, every nation, we come together in unity and we worship. So there is no really, there is diversity, but there is unity. And I think even in Galatians, we see what God is making very clearly. In Galatians 3, chapter 3, I think, it says, there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or free. But something, but yeah, there is no separation or division. And McKinnon ball goes on to the same room, so we are many, we are one body, we are one body in Christ. So we are all one in Jesus and we are all His sons and daughters. And so I hope that's enough to support single, no, there will not be. Yeah, others can feel free to add to it, please. That's just my understanding. Thank you. Thank you, Bosto Roshan. Elisha, I just want to bring up a verse of Romans 8.17 that says, if we're children, then we're heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. I think that this just helps us understand that all of us who believe in Him sit with Him, sit alongside with Him. And that's the privilege that He gives each one who is called by His name. So even I would think that answer is no, but we all have the very same importance in God's eyes. And the only marker is our trust, our faith in Him. Our relationship with Him is the only marker to have that place of importance of being heirs with God and joint heirs with Christ. Is there anyone else who would like to pitch in any other thoughts, any other pastors would like to pitch in? Please feel free to do so. Okay, I have a follow up question to Elisha's question. Elisha, I mean, if he's okay with the answer already, then I can ask my question. Elisha, are you alright with the answer if so? Not fully, but I think maybe Pastor Naisi's question would bring much clarity. So I think Pastor Naisi's question should come. Go ahead, Pastor Naisi. Okay, okay. Thank you, thank you, Dream. Thank you, Elisha. So my question is, yes, I agree with Pastor Ocean and Jean that there'll be no VIPs, we VIPs in heaven. We all are equal in Christ Jesus. But I want to know based on the calling that God has given people, for example, you know, there are like Elijah and Moses and Abraham, they are recognized. So I mean, how does that work? So there are some people who are recognized. I don't know if you want to use the word, they fulfill their calling. So is there a separate standing that such people have in heaven? I just wanted to know. Yeah, thank you. Okay, just to bring in some more what we've seen in scripture. You know, the fact is we are all one in Christ. We're all saved by the blood. But what we do see is for example, there are 24 elders around the throne. That means 24 people get to sit in those thrones, and it's only 24. And we can, you know, we know that these 24 elders are redeemed people. But I mean, you see this in later on in Revelation 19 and verse 10, then also in Revelation 22, I think it's verse nine or something, where when John falls down to worship the elder, the elder says, look, I'm just one of your fellow servants. I'm of your people. And in Revelation 22, he says, I'm one of the prophets. So yeah, and Jesus also told his apostles in Matthew 19, he said, you know, each one of you be sitting on thrones. Now, so we're all believers.  There is a throne. And this is in Revelation chapter two and three. So the overcomers also promised these things. But then there are only 24 people who will be sitting around the elders, only 24 elders will be sitting around Jesus. And while we don't know the names of these 24 elders, it most likely would be the 12 apostles and 12 Old Testament people. We don't know who they are. You know, so they honored. So those 24 people are honored to be there. Does that make them better than us? It doesn't make them any different from us. We're all people saved by the blood. We all bear the same by tropes. But I just think in terms of the rewards and in terms of the honor that's given to people. So, you know, staying consistent with the fact that what Russian and she have already said that we're all saved equally. And the honor that we are received in heaven will differ based on the works, you know, the works that are tested. And also based on some of the things that we see, obviously the 24 elders were chosen. So in that sense, I wouldn't call this being VIP. We're not going to be treated in sense differently, but it's the honor that comes on our lives, which could differ because of the way each one has served the Lord, the rewards that are given, the crowns that are given. And secondly, the, you know, the 24 elders were picked. So I would just kind of add that into the mix of what has been said. Yeah. Thank you, Pastor. Elisha, I hope that the follow up question adds clarity to what you were looking for. Yes, yes. There's clarity. Thank you. Thank you, Elisha. Thank you. We have another question by Felicia. Her question is, we know well that we are saved in God's grace and mercy, and we believe in Jesus Christ, but sometimes we meet ourselves in sin, which we didn't expect. So if I meet myself in sin and debt meets up in that sin immediately, and I don't have time to repent, what will be my place? Okay, so her question is, if you are in sin at the time, you meet with debt, and you don't have time to repent. What would happen? So that is a tradition's question. I'm opening this up to the faculty to answer. Pastor Diana or Pastor Paul. And if you'd like to take up the question. Sure. Thank you, Jane. Thank you, Felicia, for that question. I'd like to start off by saying that the Bible teaches us that once we accept the Lord Jesus as our personal Savior, we believe in what He has done for us on the cross, and we ask for forgiveness, ask for repentance. The Bible teaches us that we are a new creation. Second Corinthians 517. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation. We are a new creation in our spirit. And as you mentioned, yes, as human beings, temptation will come. And so to answer your question, why in sin if death comes, what will be our outcome? I would say, Felicia, that the very fact that we've accepted the Lord as our personal Savior, and we believe in the work that he did on the cross. That is salvation. And so even during the course of our life, we will go through temptations. So I believe that this is my opinion, the other faculty can add as well. But I believe that God is not going to judge us for that one sin. And as you said, you did not have the opportunity to ask for forgiveness, because at the moment of sin death came in. But God is not going to forsake all that happened in the past, meaning the moment you accepted Christ and walk with Christ. So all of that is not going to be just wiped away just because of that one sin. I believe that the Lord will be gracious and he will accept you as his child because you have received the call of salvation into your life. So I would leave it open to the other faculty to get their thoughts as well. Thank you so much. Thank you, Pastor Paul. Would anyone else like to add any other thoughts, any other faculty, any other thoughts? Felician, did you have your answer? Did you get your answer? Okay, Felician, we are unable to hear you. We'll go on to the next question. We have just a couple of minutes. Yes, Felician, go ahead. Not yet. I'm just understand. Let me leave you the place to another person. Thank you. Okay, all right. We'll go on to the next question. So Sid, can you explain the gnostics of the New Testament? I asked the elder of my church, can you please explain a bit more for clarity as to how they are different from the Protestant? Pastor, may I ask you to please answer this? Yeah, so Sid, the gnostics, it is very prevalent during, let's say, the end of the first century and then coming on into the second century of, you know, second century. And it's because of this, even you find in the writings of the Apostle John in the episodes of John, how he warns the believers, you know, that there are many antichrists have gone. So be careful about these. Everyone who denied that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is antichrist and so on. So you read about this in 1 John, chapter 4. And you find that burden of the Apostle John in all three of his episodes. But essentially what are the gnostics? They believe in secret knowledge. So gnosticism is that they believe in privileged revelation, secret knowledge. That means the essence of it is others don't have access to this. This is something very secret. We have this knowledge of understanding revelation, right? So, and then from that come come out all kinds of erroneous teachings and so on. So that's who they were in the group, you know, they were very privileged. Whereas the New Testament is an unveiling, it's a revelation of who Christ is and who he is. And so they, you know, some of the very fundamental teachings of the New Testament that Christ came in the flesh. Christ died, his bodily resurrection, all of that, you know, were being challenged in those days. And they had to be protected. Whereas the Protestant, the Protestant is something very later. Yes, we come, come into Martin Luther's time, which is around for 1400, 1478 or something, or 1500.  When with Martin Luther came the reformation of the church and from them, from thereafter, you know, the tag or the name Protestant was given because they were protesting against the practices during that time. So, you know, these are two different periods in time history in church history. And today, you know, when they predicted the label Protestant simply means that the branch of Christianity that believes, let's say, stemming from the reformation that began from the time of Martin Luther. Is it okay? Thank you very much, Pastor. Thank you. Thank you, Robert. This is for that question and pastor for the answer. We have a question from Zillatoli. Do we get a new name in heaven? I think this is based on one of the verses in Revelations to 17. Would somebody like to take up this question, but any of the faculty like to take up the question? Revelation to 17. Zillatoli, was that your reference? I'm sorry, I just, I just checked and was that your reference and was that where your question was coming from? Yes. Okay. All right. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Anybody would like to take up the question, please? Yeah, Zillatoli. So the answer obviously is yes. You know, so the scriptures there, Revelation to one of the, one of the rewards to the overcomer is the Lord says he will receive, I mean, he or she will receive a new name, which nobody knows except that person, the Lord and that person. Then again, you find other things like in Revelation 22, it says the name of the Lord will be written on our foreheads. So, yeah, so the answer is yes. If you want to keep your own name, your earthly name, there is a, no, I'm just joking. I don't know what to do. All right. Thank you, Pastor. All right. I hope that answered your questions Zillatoli. All right. We have a couple of minutes, five minutes. So we could do with a single question. Question if anybody has one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for all those of you who joined. Thank you for all your questions students and for all the answers pastors. Thank you that this has been a time of learning and just enriching our spirits and our knowledge of the word. May I please request any one of the students to close in prayer. Karun, if you are available and would you like to please close in prayer. Okay. Father, thank you, Lord. Thank you for this time that where we could spend pondering through the thoughts of your word and understanding things much more deeply, Lord, we thank you for all the answers that have been received. We know that it is you and your spirit who helps us understand you deeply with deep interpretations of your word and the things around Lord. You are the source of all the wisdom. We thank you for what you have blessed us with. We thank you and we submit the rest of the day as we learn totally on to you knowing that you are the source of all wisdom. We thank you and we ask this in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you, Karun. Thank you all for joining in. Have a blessed day. See you all at class. God bless. Thank you.


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