Yeah, welcome everybody seems the keynote has ended obviously there are still People coming in That's how it is at this conference welcome and good morning everyone I'm talking a little bit about Linux kernel and what's happening there and how that might be relevant for you It's actually I think I'm doing it for the fifth or six times here on this conference And let's go straight in the quick orientation. Where are we? This is how our colonel that looks like Right now actually the latest kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>.4 team and that's actually a long-term kernel That's a bit different than the other cons kernels you that get released good get released It's get supported for two years actually Most of the recent long-term kernels in the end actually got support for six years It remains to be seen if that will be true for the Linux 5.4.0 also all the other kernels are normally just supported for around about 10 to 13 weeks like 5.5 which is on the under development releases expected on February the third. That's basically nine days from now and Actually, it could be a week earlier. So it could be tomorrow night actually and Or maybe a week later That always depends on how things evolve and what what kind of feeling Linus has how things are 5.6. Thus is expected in mid-April. It's likely a little bit too late for Ubuntu 2004 the next long-term stable release from Ubuntu And and it's might be too late for Frador 32 Both get released a little bit later than mid-April But it might be too too short time to actually integrate it depends on what the developers actually do and I can predict that easily because new releases Nearly all of the time come out every nine or ten week. So it's pretty predictable It's actually I think it's April 8th or April then 13th where when 5.6 will come out and it's possible because it's actually It's a well-tuned engine that's something Jonathan Corbett from LWN net once said Because everything runs straight ahead Each car new car really sets about thirteen thousand five hundred changes, right and brings about three hundred lines of new code actually, it's normally like eight hundred thousand and new lines and Five hundred thousand go out If you look at this this that so you got an idea how much change there's happening A few recent happenings at this point last year I showed a slide that said there were a few hiccups recently And so much for the world tune because it was really a little bit a Lot of things were happening then especially in the media covered a lot of things in the links gone There was a breakage with set of us on Linux and there's a big performance problem. There was a corruption block When when writing data and actually especially the code of conduct and Linux break in there in the fall that was quite quite a lot of In the media But this year I can say there are no similar disturbances in the force recently And code of conduct that was much discussed Ten months ago, it's nothing much heard of so it's everybody said it might be a big big problem In the end there were a few incidents that got reported how the code of conduct says it has to be reported and Those are if you want to See the details about that you can find them on colonel dot octree stays Actually, there were only five reports in 2019 so it's really not that much of a problem as many people fear that might come be There's one thing I need to mention here there was some disturbance And in the kernel world recently, that's more for kernel development. There was at the linux plumbus conference Talked by by a kernel developer that is very active in the security Area He actually works for Google He talked about what's wrong with kernel developer development There are so many things that are not working good like what did he what is this he mentioned your patches get lost and lots of duplicate work and many many other problems and Yeah, if you're interested in details and check out this LWN that article and It actually links to the slides and if you want it really detailed there's actually a bit of it in the video of this session available on YouTube and Thanks to talk. It's actually a work group Was started to actually bring Linux kernel development a bit forward and make it more modern To make it more So it works better So the basic goal is improving and defragmenting the kernel development workflow There were some results already and that there's another LWN that article that goes into details It's a lot of work ahead. And so I won't go into the details here because it would be boring And it remains to be seen what comes out of it. It's likely looking better in the end there's actually some people likely won't like that much Garrett instance now since a few days way what which developers can use to submit pet series and actually Look at the changes even better than than it's possible on the mailing list it's Remains to be seen how current developers will like that and What optimizations need to be done? So this really works out in the end and makes kernel development better And but now if you want to make kernel development if you want to see that on github or github that won't happen I'd say maybe some subsystems will use it a little bit. That was always discussed here and there but Linux likely Won't do that because kernel development is really email driven and Switching to such a far like that would be kind of disturbance. That's not going to happen at least any time soon There was another bit of a recently That was lino saying don't use set of s. It's that simple. I think you've all heard about it set of s is this File system and volume management integrated solution. It was developed for salaris. You can use it on on Linux with set of s on Linux As I said, most of you have likely heard about it. I won't go into the details. There's one thing I wanted to point out He said something about a set of s there a lot of people from the set of s community didn't like He actually said it's not maintained and things like that When he said that he actually meant as a set of s from our girl here Not the our open set of s that's used in some bsd Operating systems or set of s on Linux and he clarified that in a different post. That's linked here so lots of the media coverage didn't mention that and that Really so the articles you read on the net and not really Appropriate for what linus wanted to say But the main message is there's no hope for a set of s merge in linux anytime soon And that's also expected with the well-known Sensing issues that's around them Because the set of s code that's coming from solar actually is on a CDD L and that's likely Incompatible to the GPL used by the linux kernel, but it's good that you clarified that that it won't happen and yeah, and Even if this listen lies licensing stuff gets resolved. I think there are even way other problems ahead That would prevent a quick merge. There were actually some patents There was a lawsuit between net up and Sun and Oracle that actually was Settled in 2010, but those parties didn't say How they settled it or how they agreed so maybe Oracle can't even change the licensing and to make sure it gets and Linux compatible we don't know and there's another problem. There's actually code quality and interaction Because the set of s and the set of s on linux stuff does a little a few quite a few things differently than linux file system Normally do so the kernel maintainers in those areas like file systems and block storage likely would have to what we Say they want to see some changes before that gets merged. So my Opinion there is better stay away from Set of s on linux for now Obviously, you can do that if you want to but if this all this stuff never gets resolved You have to you likely have to switch to butterf s or some other file systems we never have heard of until today sooner or later and If the situation change you obviously Can we evaluate and maybe maybe? Investing but butterf s or some other file system would be the better approach anyway because that's what we have already and Yeah, that's of benefit for linux Already and maybe Fixing all those little things that are not yet get perfect in butterf s butterf s would be less work than bring Set of s into linux is hard to say So that was the end of this stretch a few major happenings that are Right now up front at the wire guard support expected in linux 5.6 Now wire guard is actually a quite a promising and much-praised Tunnel solution for VPNs Linus actually praised it quite a lot in 2018 and There was a It's a state list. It's really easy configuration quick reconnect a lot of a lot of people that experimented it or used it liked it very much and The thing is until now you have to recompile a kernel module with all this wire guard stuff and that's hard and That was the reason by one because there was is Crypto library that the wire guard relies on it actually was developed especially for wire guard and that was called or is called sink and The crypto developers in the linux kernel didn't like that much much, but one of them actually stepped up and finally found a proper solution that was merged and For 5.5. So this gets so the basic problem is out of the way It's actually called franken sink if you wonder because they are it's From frankenstein monster because the zinc and some other solution were merged Zink was rework a little bit and that's what's called franken sink Yeah, but that's in 5.5 and in 5.6 wire guard support will follow So it will soon show up in in the linux kernel and linux distributions Another major happening real-time support soon gets into the mainline when exactly is Remains to be seen and those of you that have been here last year actually might remember. I mentioned that last year already So I was kind of wrong there But yeah, we get to that. It's not I was not totally wrong if you're wondering what the real-time support is therefore it's actually for the industry usage for linux for example to make your laser cutter and Machine with all the machine we used to build cars or something there. You often need real-time support to make sure the machine reacts in time before you have to throw the way the parts Because the laser reacted to last to slowly or something. Yeah, but industry usage is one of the drivers But there are other uses as well And as I said, I mentioned that last year already I was kind of wrong with that because not everything is there yet But kind of right because the option to actually enable this is actually in the linux kernel support already it's called config preempt RT and That happened in 5.3, but there are some things this option depends on so you can't see them actually and Stuff it's not usable yet And that's actually I think only one major thing missing there. That's reworking printk That's the stuff the kernel uses internally to lock something and that's actually in the works There's an LWN that article about it If you want to know more details about that there's also linux plumber conference sessions I think that's available on YouTube and It's not yet really foreseeable when this printk rework will actually get merged looks like 5.7 It seems to be the earliest possible target But maybe it will take two or three more releases more It's hard to say because it was only sent to the kernel mailing list once in December and then since then Nothing much happened. So there's a still bit fine tuning needs to be done before that can can be fixed But the road to actually get this into the kernel Is clear now after some discussion that happened on the plumber's conference last Fall last September to be exact if you want to know more about that. There's a great video there from the kernel recipes in Paris and from Steven rostered and The link is down here. That's just that explains the situation and what you need to do if you are interested in RT development to make sure that your apps work with it and your kernel drivers work for this and Just a small reminder Real time doesn't mean faster in the end means predictable. So for the standard kernels you have on Ubuntu or Fedora, it will likely not get enabled Because the throughput throughputs gets a little bit down If you use this option and so for default kernels, it doesn't make much sense But as an alternate kernel, it's likely To get offered if that's got more like a main light Another major happening that's happening quite slowly is the BP P F or sometimes called e BP F that's changing the Linux kernel slowly, but in really a lot of ways and That's why a lot of things don't notice this one. So what is the BP P F? It's a programmable VM in the Linux kernel Vm not like a virtual machine you use for VMware more like a VM you use comparable with the Java VM, but quite different again and You can do that to get to write programs that are executed within the kernel and That can make things more Easy and quicker because some data doesn't have to to get moved from from the kernel space to user space It's like one of the oldest users who have the old BP F that was a classic BP F It's called these days was TCP dump to make sure you only The kernel only forwards the packages to user land That TCP dump is interested in and that really needs to be done with something like to be BP F As it's way too much data to copy everything out to this program Yeah, but as I said, it's used in many other areas these days right now it's mostly shows itself in the TC that's the traffic control stuff and XDP that's a network fast path that was added like two years ago to yeah, and some tracing and performance monitoring tools BP F compiler collection and BP F trace and as it's a lot of redhead people here actually it's Some of that is supported in redhead enterprise linux now with 8.2 I think the traffic control feature for the net for steering the data was already supported in 8.1 but with 8.2 the which isn't beta right now the BP F compiler collection and And its library will be fully supported in redhead enterprise linux The BP F tracing language which you can use you can It's kind of a detrace like solution to Build small programs that get you the data. You're only interested in that It's still a technology preview and the express data pass is also still a technology preview But I suppose sooner or later that will change if you're interested in this performance stuff, I mentioned with PCC and BP P F Trace And that's actually a great book from Brandon Greg BP F performance tools and it's quite a thick book. I haven't seen it already, but it gets all the details how to actually use it and a few of you might likely have seen this Diagram here on the right side Down down there that it shows where you can actually The lot of small Utilities you can use to look into the kernel and what is done And if the black ones are the older tools and the red ones are new newer more Capable tools that use BP P F or and all that stuff to get more data more efficient without With less overhead to make sure if you're doing performance analyzing or tracing that it's not Impact so much on on your workload There are a lot of small improvements in BP P F land that promise even more usage and more improvements that are happening or Happened recently or happening right now. Here's a small list of those things that happened recently I won't go into the details what what each each of them is doing because that would likely be boring to most of you and Just to quite sum it up The thing is together. They are likely are kind of a building a building blocks for quite different linux column and Also, they will have an impact on the linux os and to illustrate this a little bit more how the impact is if you look at the Defconn's Schedule and search for BP P F you will find What doesn't talk nearly a dozen talks that have BP F in the description already So you you can see it has an impact on a lot of different areas. It's tracing and Container stuff And so there's really happening a lot actually It might turn out to rebel on the ocean eyes linux a little bit and Remains to be seen how things evolve on LWN that which some of you might know is a great website to to check what What's happening the linux kernel? They're actually they actually get mentioned already. There's a microkernel stuff it makes linux more like a microkernel and Actually is someone someone from the red hat that's working on network stuff actually also Recently mentioned. It's let's linux becomes more like a BPF microkernel Thanks to all the recent improvements That are happening there. Yeah, sadly the two things I just mentioned So the real time and the BPF stuff do not work together You fix you fixed what are you fix? You fix it. Oh, I didn't know I know that yeah Okay, yeah, that's this is David Miller. This is your Person you need to thank for for all the networking stuff That's happening with your machine because he maintains the linux kernel Network stack and as he said here he fixed it or I think some fine-tuning is needed Then okay The audience for the records here the audience mentioned that there's also problems of trusted boot and BPF but that's always an issue when there are some new Revolutionizing techniques there are problems and most of the time solutions can be found to work that out that was actually the first part of the talk and Like to give you the chance to ask some questions in the minute a Quick introduction. I didn't do that in the beginning to not bore you that much there Who am I actually? I'm not a kernel developer. I actually I'm a journalist for living I write a lot of things about the linux kernel in a German magazine Actually, some of that stuff of years ago got translated to English, but that sadly stopped I did some regression tracking work a few years ago Sadly, I did that actually in my my spare time sadly this bad time wasn't available anymore. Maybe that Changes soon. I hope so actually and a few people actually might know me from Twitter because I'm twittering lots of Stuff that happened happening in the Linux kernel area I think are things that are close to the Linux kernel and I did a lot of things For fedora, that's also a reason why I'm actually on this conference in particular. We I did that when things like that were Up to date and everybody liked that that was like 15 years ago or something The older one from you might remember that that everybody found that cool and now Nobody has anything like that today and I'm building Linux kernel vanilla packages for fedora's and any of you It's interested in them. So from if you want to check if a bug is happening due to a patch in the That the fedora kernel developers added You can use these kernels or you can use these kernels in from those repositories to actually run the latest mainline kernel And to check out and help develop and developing and checking it and testing it without actually building it So any questions on the topics so far that gives you and me a quick break We have a mic here if somebody wants to walk around As I said, the main things are the code of conduct to remember The workflow ZFS real-time BPF and we have BPF experts here. So if you have any questions There's a question With you, yeah, if it's a call it's a common way for the mic that makes everything easier So it's more like a comment for ZFS first Who is using ZFS in this? in this audience Okay, so now a few One of the things that was not raised on on the mailing list or anywhere else is that ZFS is portable I can collect my ZFS volume to this Mac laptop or to a Windows box and Beta FS is nowhere close to to this So some effort in keeping ZFS just for that. Otherwise, you're stuck with XFAT whenever you want to exchange volumes, which is a pain Okay anymore comments or questions What's the state of shifting file systems for user namespace? Actually, I don't know. I saw that James submitted it in December, I think Or to explain it then ask about shifting file systems. That's important for container usage to make sure Some to make sure that UIDs Don't get mixed up in the containers and the host ID host system And I think James submitted this I saw a few questions about it, but I can't say is anybody in the audience that followed it more closely than I did I don't expect it to get much anytime soon and It's a complicated thing and it will take some time. Sorry Okay, what about the bus There was this pay D bus a few years ago And it was an interesting concept, but the developers abandoned it developers actually Build something new in user land at steep bus. Can't please help me anyone in both name. What was the name D bus? it's What no, no, no, it's it's it's it's a different than D bus implementation that performs better and actually is used in fedora 31 or 30 30 already, I think and Developers that were behind those efforts Drove that but these days they moved on and do something different. So it seems they are satisfied So I don't would not expect any IPC mechanism or more D bus more work on K D bus or something in the Linux a violin violin is more more like a user land stuff that Used is it actually used over D bus? I don't know. Yeah, it's not not something that compute competes in that space Yeah, so let's move on. I already have half an hour used actually Yeah There's slot behind this is free So maybe I can talk a little bit longer, but I don't want to keep you all here But there's yeah to move on the second part will be a bit more about It will be a little bit quicker about recent changes and things that are work in progress that are either Useful or helpful in day-to-day, and that's why I want to tell you about them or good important to know and One of the useful helpful things that is this Is happening in the file system area and As you might know in Linux, they are made basically three major file systems but of s X for and X of s and I'm not talking like then watch and Let you all stand up and repeat something But I want to get make sure you are a little bit awake and want to ask you a question about it Before I do that quick explanation copy and write is something you can use to Copy big files or directory trees in a fraction of a second That's actually one of the cool features from the ZFS I already mentioned and It's supported by the rafling feature and it's interesting for snapshot chain provisioning container images sharing files and like like that So raise your hands if you're listening Okay, I could should have checked how many did that in the first second. So Raise your hands if you have heard about the application or copy on with copy on right. Okay, that makes about 70% I'd say So if you think butterf s supports it Okay, that are just 1015 percent XFS That are less like like the 10% X4 Nobody yeah, it's better than I expected and butterf s and set of s actually support this it's really cool to to copy big big directories and X4 does not and I wanted to see with this small experiment if some of you know about that XFS learn that recently actually And the little scroll side that happened during the four four dot X and five dot X Days with a rafling feature and it happened in small steps and not many people and notice this But it's actually default and productionary since XFS box 5.0. That's actually came out of a few months ago already But it didn't get much attention in the media that this is possible to do now with XFS these days If you want to know more about that there was recently A block post from the Oracle block from from the XFS main developer where you can Find where he explains this how to use it and explains the status of it By the way, if I see somebody Picturing it the slides are on the on the schedule and today you can download it and follow all the links if you're interested in them And I mentioned Oracle there Oracle was kind of a driving force behind that but XFS is also the main file system on redhead enterprise Linux and there it's Supported since rail 8 already. So My copy on right feature is Something that's used already But on the other hand, I'd say it will take likely years Tell a lot of people know about that. It's Bit like the LLVM snapshots are very slow thing those from the device map and LVM crew here Remember that was used to be the case until like five or ten years ago And then some new mechanism showed up to and make make To make to improve the situation, but a lot of people still think LVM snapshots are very slow Even if it's untrue and that's likely the problem of this XFS fade feature as well Another cool feature XFS gets these days is online FS check. It's nearly stable these days There was also a block entry recently that explains the status about this and How to actually use it? Yeah, that's all URL is there also So another helpful useful feature this time not for the enterprise admins here more for the users Let's use Linux on your desktop expert support is in 5.4 and that's makes it easier to mount your SD cards from your modern cameras like video cameras and because they often use XFAT, which is a Microsoft file system But there are some patterns involved. So Nobody wants to touch it in the links kind of but Microsoft has recently stepped up to solve this situation and thing is in Fedora this module is not Enabled right now That's likely because also still due to the pattern situation I guess once Microsoft ships it it should be covered and then Fedora might like might Enable it other developments other Linux distributions are likely not waiting that long There's actually what got added is an interim solution. There's a better implementation That's what's called SDFAT in the staging tree. That's actually really close to getting merged a lot of One crucial developer act most of the patches already, but I've ever found a few problems and Might not happen in 5.6, but maybe in 5.7 this better improved driver gets added so what else there was a Another file system edit in 5.4 That's called Virdio FS and that's a way more efficient way to share files between host and guests It's a bit similar to 9p. Some of you might have heard heard about it's actually used in these cases right now quite a lot But it's actually promising. It promises to deliver better performance There's still up some optimization work that needs to be done Yeah, but it's that's happening the code is actually based on partly based on fuser stuff if you want to know more about this and there's actually a great website That explains things like all the details Sadly the stuff the support site in QMU is still Work in progress unless somebody says it's merged Yeah, it's pretty pretty clear somebody. Yeah, it's pretty close to get merged. I think there were 100 patches So well, but it seems it's not that far away to get much so hopefully we can all use that easily to share files between hosts and and guests assume So what else is there? That's actually I Oh, you rain thing that makes us I mentioned that last year already This is a technique that finally brought proper asset Chronos. I owe AI all for short To Linux last year. It's actually easy to use at least compared to the other AI all things we had in Linux and works a lot better and way quicker and It's actually something the Linux world has kind of waiting for quite a long time because in the Windows world AIO is actually quite standard and that's always a little bit for some developers Find that odd that it's not that the Linux world still uses synchronous IO and Yeah But that's about to change maybe It that used to be bad in Linux because their current support wasn't the best there, but this new solution actually improved things quite a lot and in the past few months got a lot of fine-tuning and a few more features and Also was praised quite a lot And if you wonder why is that relevant because SSDs get getting faster getting crazy faster and basically to use all the power they offer you need to Have a synchronous IO. So if you're doing Application development that really needs IO performance consider using it If you need high throughput or low latencies, that's an interesting solution. There's a talk with all the details and from the current recipes again Against expo, is it actually pronounced like this? okay, okay, and They find all the all the details And actually there was a LWN that article yesterday that explains some of the recent features and and all What what what's possible with this AIO interface these days if you're interested and Look at it. It's still subscriber only for now But in 10 days or something it will be free and the fun thing if you didn't believe the BPPF thing stuff I mentioned earlier on LWN that it's becoming a kind of running gag to Mention things like this where where BPPF is offered a solution For problems developers face in other areas. That's the same here with the AIO stuff And remains to be seen if BPPF will be used But as I said, it's becoming a running gag because it's used in and places where nobody expected it a few years ago So another useful feature that's again more for the administrators here There's a new IO controller. That's called block IO cost that was added in 5.4 was used to be called IO weight So it's way better and more flexible IO controller if you have your multiple containers or VMs and want to make sure none of them can can starve the others by Doing lots of IO then this is important. There were other IO controllers, but One of the things the new IO controller does better is it only limits when there's actually contention So you can't use all the IO you want Until there's some contention and then it actually limits to make sure that your important applications get enough IO One thing to note here is that it's a c-group 2 controller So the more modern version of c-group 2 of the control groups that are used for resource isolation and and think like that And So you really have to use c-groups too, but that's happened the move to see groups to finally is happening after years of production It's actually used in federal 31 already Well eight actually has it and if you want to know more about this there's a Talk about this tomorrow. I don't know in which room brave new world of unified see group hierarchy That gives you a lot of details I expect so Another useful helpful feature that's about to get much Linux kernel 5.6 likely will get us before support. So it's now check again. Who's awake? Who cares? Hands up and not that much thing is For the record it was like five hands or maybe five five percent or something the thing is all of you should care Use before that sounds like a new technique That's maybe come someone and you don't care much But the thing is it's not that far away the next generation of Internet processors for mobile and desktop So the core i11 series or whatever Intel will call it and let's expect it to have use before Because it's basically based on Thunderbird 3 and Intel had already controller So it's not that hard to implement for them and the thing is so you have this hardware coming out This year summer and in a year or two. It's likely a pretty standard and as I mentioned earlier Ubuntu 2004 it's what likely won't use 5.6 yet and that becomes a problem because maybe in a year or two from now You have was before is quite standard You want to boot your USB key to install this Ubuntu and it might not boot so because a proper driver is missing some of you might remember that that happened with USB 3 also and Yeah, that's why it's important that the support for the use before is getting into the colon now because just Like some distribution that I've come come out now are still relevant in two years from now So to be fair Won't will be this point releases film from you Ubuntu They will likely then offer the USB for support. So it won't be that bad but the server still will still use the Colonel that's from the stock release so there could still be a problem So another useful feature that's more for those that are running Linux on on the desktops The support for recently released AMD CPUs GPUs got a little bit better There was a new ready on the series introduced this summer. That's called 5,700 It's actually supported in 5.3 and Mesa. So if you have a recent Linux distribution Like Fedora 31 things will just work even newer cards like the 5,500 work if you install all the updates and And there actually is a 5,600 card that was released just a few days ago. They you need to 5.5 again But it's not that hard to to add that to Fedora if you want to yeah and Also regarding to graphic supports on desktops the driver for these and older cards from from the AMD Radiance series actually is going to support open gr 4.6. It could can be important for some games But they're really thing to take away from this is AMD finally really catch up and the support for for for the Recent AMD graphics is really good these days another thing from the Good to know series is support for Intel's next-gen graphics is also getting merged into the Linux kernel these days into a kernel and Mesa and Intel's graphics drivers also Support already support open GL 4.3 4.6 after preparing working towards it for like two years, I'd say and So that's a major achievement layer Yeah, and I mentioned two drivers here actually the 965 is an older open GL driver in Mesa to support the recent cards There's a new one with which promises to be to offer more performance and to be lighter That's not the default yet But it looks like it will take over soon with the next Mesa release that Contains all the 3d drivers you normally install on your on your laptops together with your distributions So in the end AMD and Intel have quite good Floss driver stacks these days. They are not perfect But maybe it's Simply like that. They are so good. Maybe consider avoiding NVIDIA if you can While talking about NVIDIA a quick note, Nouveau the free and open source driver for GeForce cards still leaves a lot to wish for That's like it for years now for example with the latest generation the two-in cards that for example, there's 1660 and the 2000 cards from the GeForce line You don't get 3d support that might make even your GNOME desktop and other desktop environments slow And that's because there's not really Distributable firmware from NVIDIA yet. It looks like this is about to Change there were some patches recently that are also expected in 5.6 That fixes, but I haven't seen the firmware yet so remains to be seen what's coming out of it and The biggest problem for the Nouveau driver still remains where it is the driver simply cannot reach Cannot switch the GPU into their highest speed states or the lowest power states because the Distributual firmware that NVIDIA offers to links to Distributors to integrate simply doesn't support that so this free and open source driver Will never get the speed you get with the proprietary driver for now. So that's really a pity maybe it's about to change there's NVIDIA developer conference Technology conference and in March, I think and in a schedule There's actually one thing that Indicates a little bit that NVIDIA might change there Their strategy and get a little bit more open I'm not so sure if that will really happen We have in the past few years every there were every now and then some indicators that Intel That NVIDIA would become a little bit more open in the end They did quite a few things to improve the situations, but on the other hand in some areas it got worse again. So it In the end got really the situation wasn't a lot and so I'm a bit skeptical what comes out of it Yeah, let's wait for March and see or maybe a bit more and yeah until then for now We have their good AMD and and Intel support So one more good thing to know you can use C-Lang Compiler and a C compiler that's built on LLVM to build kernels now on x86 64 so 64 Bit x86 86 machines most of us have at home. It might still be a bit bumpy But it can be of interest to use the security features that are in in C-Lang and LLVM If you're interested in that there's a website about this that has actually an issue tracker Where you can check if you run into issues if that's something that's already known And if it's something that needs to be fixed on the car or side or the C-Lang side Another thing good to know is PSI monitor That enhances the pressure stall information PSI stuff that got added in 4.20. I talked about this last year When I was here the PSI stuff is basically product load average on on steroids Because you can see a CPU and memory and I owe in your own lines to check if how the Pressure is and how busy they are and I won't go into details if you're interested in this Simply look at LWM net or Google for it last year's major Hayden After my talk wrote a blog entry about it that has it's easy to find the details there But this PSI stuff got enhanced that as I mentioned it's a PSI monitor stuff that allows user-land stuff to use them programs to better monitor what's happening there and that actually allows way better out of memory handling and can make you help your Desktop shell from prevent from star stalling because in the background I always happening and They're actually four solutions built on this One one is actually an Android one from endless The Facebook developers that actually that develop here PSI actually have something built on that as well and the gnome camp has this early OOM That promises to to make sure the system runs Better and the letter was actually proposed for for fedora's party to for integration that Triggered a big discussion on the mailing list so Because some people would prefer this the solution from Facebook. That's actually as that might be added to system D directly it's so open so Looks right now. That's for dollar 32 won't get anything any of this and but Yeah Maybe 34 is 33 or something then we'll see Another thing good to know be cash FS. That's also a file system. That's kind of kind of competing with butter of s and set of s There was not much progress with their recently It will likely take years till till ready if ever It's still a one-man show. So I I'm a bit careful about that how that works out and Be aware it has a loud fan crowd already really a loud fan crowd. Maybe it won't be as good as anybody expected to be and Hard to tell right now because as I said, there's not much happening. They're just one developer Remains to be seen. He wanted to get it merged into the kernel that as he said that two one year and Three or four months ago, but then not much happened since then Maybe but of s is better suited by now is sound a little bit like a but of s fanboy, which I'm not it's just how it is Hard to say so and he said I'm getting close to the end And I think good to know is the limits going to get multi-pass TCP That will be in 5.6 and to that was basically done here on the conference because Dave here Did this yesterday? I think he merged it to the Linux and that next three that will wear stuff for 5.6 Is prepared and he only did it for the Twitter double-mind. I Think I looked earlier today. You had a 250 Lot of lot of likes and yeah, and that's Yeah, the Twitter handle is mentioned here and give him give him some hearts Yeah, and that's actually Important if you're having going out with your your laptop and out of the reach for the Wi-Fi and then it can switch over to the mobile connection and In the background and your apps won't notice any of this So it's really practical especially for your for your smartphones And that's actually the reason why Android has something similar already and yeah So another useful feature. I think it's the last one on my slides support Raspberry Pi for Got gets improved right now as you might know the Raspberry Pi Is not using the after him kind of use a special kind of it has lots of added drivers But some developers make sure the mainstream kernel the mainline kernel gets support and 5.6 It will improve quite a lot and if you're wondering why is that important to me? Yeah, it's important to make sure You know Fedora your Ubuntu runs on your single board computer Out of the box better There are lots of other stuff Things I could talk about But I guess a lot of people I have something for the next time slot. That's why I'm not going into the details here as I as I said this time slot right behind this is Is free maybe we can get back to this in a few minutes But first I want to get a few questions ask if you have them and do the summary the summary is Linux kernel is a fine-tuned engine lots of things happening fast development It's really great the code of conduct that created lots of trouble 2018 is not nothing much heard of this here Viagard is approaching real-time is approaching XFS now supports the application for fast IO consider using this new AIO technique the IO u-ring stuff and Those were just the highlights. I mentioned and obviously there's better hardware support also And the really big thing is the but BPPF really changes the Linux kernel Ruins to be seen what comes out of it if you want to know more about this follow LWN nut That's a great site that covers all the things I mentioned here even in more detail You can consider following me as well on on on Twitter I have a car a count that's called Colonel logger Well, we always talk about things like that. I actually have three as six or five other accounts one of them actually is dedicated to to the redhead and Linux redhead and federal stuff I do and to keep things a bit separated and yeah And one more thing Provide feedback talk to me if you How this talk was what I should be improve could improve last year There was something on on the schedule to to report feedback. I think it's not there this year So, but I guess the organizers will ask for feedback anyway That's it. It's actually slide to 183 if anybody wonders Yeah, but are there questions Hello, I'd like to ask about that out of memory handling if I have a program that keeps lots of data in cash and The om hander would kill the program. Is there some way how it could tell the program to Release the cash instead of doing the program To release the cash if I have a program that has lots of data cash I think from the Android camp there was some patches to Improve the situation where the current can talk can ask user lands Yes, use a land apps to release memory. They don't Yes, and I have this Tom stoning mechanism Is that under any of these tops Tom stone mechanism where it basically are the main cause to Save the information somewhere Let's talk about it afterwards And I think the solutions I mentioned as those are just user land solutions So that's you can actually program that and So can this user and solutions ask the program to quit in an auto release memory instead of doing it Do you mean if the programs can do that? Out of memories user lands demons or the colonel the demons of the kernel I don't know which one, but it will be nice to get some feedback Instead of being killed the short answer is Colonel develop us actually from Google are working on this and I don't know what the status is But I think it's getting possible. Yeah Any more questions Right one at the back What we're going to carry on with questions beyond 11 o'clock So if you need to leave for another talk do so but the rest of us will carry on So I was a bit concerned with your comments regarding USB 4 not booting So does that mean there is no competitive Yes, so my question is your comment you commented that USB 4 You know LTS you would do 20 LTS would not boot on you on USB 4 and You mentioned that your you your USB key would not boot At two years down the road because the Colonel did not support you as before Does that imply there is no compatibility with USB 3 or 2? How does this work that work? No backwards compatibility to use if they if there's no backwards compatibility to USB 3 and 2 Yeah, because use be for is basically Thunderbolt and it has it has some backwards compatibility to proper us be But If you have a USB 4 key or storage device That will only work if you have a USB 4 driver and even if you have a backwards compatibility Device that's actually connected to a controller that is almost before only then you need support for that controller to make sure To boot from it But you could at least have the the early stages of the boot which are handled by the by EFI or whatever that part would work, right? You mean the boot stuff handled by the firmware? Well, yes Yeah, as soon as the Colonel runs the colon has to do everything on your own kind of but so couldn't you just rebuild? You know just reveal your any tardy or something like that You basically need to use be for stuff support if it's of use be for controller relative to TCP multi Path this will just left. Yeah, I just want to bring up the point. This seems likely to be you know a Big contentious point because it will drive a lot of you know, sorry This will probably be a contentious point with regards to you know a Multi-wan WAN Router products in the market, right? If I understand it, right? If I have a Linux shop, essentially I can dodge those and Just use TCP multi-par thing to access my multiple WAN links Main Was so loud. I'm not sure I got it So if it's more your question was if it's more for the routers or routers or if it's more for your client My point was when I have TCP multi path. I can dodge my WAN routers So my multi WAN routers, right and can access my white area network links directly Utilizing that new technology or am I mistaken? No, that's possible. That's actually Depend there will be use that's the idea to have a user land Demand that actually controls if you're using both links at the same time One will prefer because you can't do that. That's policy you have to do in user land That's depending. Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's an additional good information, you know bonding to basically max performance versus non bonding and just do the fail-overs the main usage is you Take your laptop and go to the garden where the Wi-Fi ends and then it can switch to Mobile connection on its own. Yep And I would have a question is there a chance that kernel will provide because last year was the year of in those mitigation box basically which do have some impact on performance in some cases and Is there a chance that I would have an access to list where some Performance impacts are like marked that if I disable this mitigation I will get this speed back or Something in that category. So because there's too many mitigations today and one does not know what really is impacting his His scornella. Yeah, that's that there is no I say that's actually not possible because the How big the impact of these mitigations is totally depends on on your on your workload So if you have something that does contact switches a lot then this PTI and this spectral stuff Might really hurt you but if you have not so much contact switches There's no not not so much overhead You don't gain that much if you did Disable the mitigation and maybe the thing is if you're really in a situation where you consider Disabling those mitigations for the CPU box Does it actually matter which of those you? That's what I don't know From the security impact is likely not that much of a difference And in the end you actually have to try Which of those makes a difference and the best starting point for it is actually a current parameter called mitigations Off that this disables all the mitigations for those security backs and Then you can able and able and disable them One by one if you really want to Liberating on that question and answer group of pairs here in particular in the specter Area of CPU box Intel box. There is a zoo of Specter incarnations. So it's Yeah, yeah, exactly. So my point is it's actually pretty hard to make that kind of decision, you know Can I disable like this very specific incarnation to optimize my performance in this? You know context switching heavy situation. It's much rather, you know, do I want to play it safe? Do I want to max out my performance and then I have to basically Secure my system respectively by other means most of these bugs except for the Meltdown stuff are really hard to use and so maybe If you are in a controlled situation where where it's even possible to disable then Maybe Disabling all of them except the PTI Stuff that's protecting against meltdown might be possible But yeah, it's security and if you disable security features You always have to look into into them closely to know what you're doing. Nobody can nobody else can do that for you And that's what I look that the page would like quantify impact and and performance and somehow so because I cannot track all those Tense of mitigation. So like somebody simply needs to sit down and explain that on some Web page, I don't think that's anything that kind of any more questions and if you're interested in any of this or what I'm having What did I do now? No? Just ask Like yeah, no, I hit the wrong button How did I do that? No, you can ask I still have time the next Speakers only expected in 10 15 minutes from now or other questions for the stuff I talked about now Okay, then I leave you to it. Thanks for listening. Yeah, I have a great conference


Every day I walk down the tunnel this feeling of just I'm a little kid waking up on Christmas morning to see all the gifts That Santa brought me that's what it is It's been eight years at Marion and we'd won a lot of championships Purdue was gonna be the only place that was gonna Pull me away from that job and here I am I want a group of young women who bleed black and gold who knows what it means to have Purdue on your chest It means that I'm gonna do things the right way What do you tell the team, you know after a rough loss I walked into the to the locker room and you could just feel the hurts I took over September 16th and in four months. We were able to almost knock off the top five team Imagine what we can do when we were together a little bit longer. We're not a few years away It's right here in front of us and we're gonna get this place back


I'm heading out on my summer holidays soon and I also have this massive long business trip in August to the East Coast which means I should have lots of time this summer to hit my summer reading list. So that's what I'm sharing with you today or the books that I intend to read this summer. Hey everyone it's Leanne and if you have not curated your summer book bag yet I wanted to share a few titles that I plan on attacking this summer and maybe you'll find some value in these titles if you pick them up as well. So here we go. Book number one or rather collection number one is the Scott Stratton collection. Now Scott did this book unmarketing several years ago. As you can see it's very well loved and well read. So Scott's a good egg. When he found out that I loved his book and he found out that I had the older version of this book he kindly sent me the new version. So I'm going to read these side by side in tandem. Yes I'm going to totally geek out and do that and probably add post-it notes to the new version here as well. So big shout out and thank you to Scott Stratton for the everything has changed and nothing is different second edition of unmarketing. Now Scott's a busy beaver. He has a few other titles and I'm going to attack those this summer. By the way he's written all of these books in collaboration with his business partner and wife Allison Stratton. So big shout out to Allison as well. Scott and Allison have also written unselling as well as unbranding. So along with the unmarketing title I plan on hitting unselling and unbranding as well this summer. So huge thanks to the Strattons. They've filled my bookshelf per se and I look forward to filling these with post-it notes all summer long. Now for all of you industry peeps, meetings and events industry I hope you've had a chance to read this one The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker. So I started reading this book which is from my public library and ran out of time. I have to return it. So I'm purchasing this book and tackling it this summer. Interestingly enough this book was featured on the LinkedIn group Event Props Book Club back in May. So I'm late to the party sorry Gillian but that book club is actually looking at another title here in June by Brené Brown Dare to Lead another bestseller. While that book is not on my list I really hope it's on your list and if you are reading Dare to Lead right now I encourage you to check out Event Props Book Club on LinkedIn and join other like-minded individuals to tackle that title. And finally Weeconomy by Craig and Mark Kielberger. Now I saw these boys literally decades ago I it was probably 20 years ago when I first saw them and they were first just kind of starting their their cause and now 20 years later I they're all grown up they're married with kids their cause is massive around the world the we cause and anyways Weeconomy is the title that they've penned and I'm really excited to dig into this as you can see it's got a forward by Cheryl Sandberg and an epilogue by Richard Branson so there's got to be something good in here. So those are my books it's a stack of one two it's five books and if you add Brené Brown's Dare to Lead that's six. I'm not going to get through them all this summer but I do have some time set aside to tackle these titles and take some time this summer to find a book that you want to read and start to read it. Folks if you have a title that I haven't mentioned here today I'd love to hear what's on your summer reading list as well share it with the community below. Friends have an amazing summer and if you do tackle a title let me know which one you tackled and for meeting planners to learn more about our complimentary services hop on over to conferencesource.net and there you can learn about what Stephen and I do for the meeting planning community and for my meeting suppliers and friends out there my blog over at liankholderwood.com is where you can hang your hat and learn about tips and tricks on how to attract meeting planner attention. Thanks everyone have a great great summer and we'll see you soon. Bye for now.


The following is a presentation of TFNN Trade what you see With Larry Pezzavento All now toll-free at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER> Now Larry Pezzavento Okay, looking good Billy Ray feeling good Lewis Well, we start out by going across the pond to take a look at the footsie and the Dax and as you can see from the charts that I Posted here. They really don't care what's going on here in the United States And they shouldn't because they have their own thing and that's what they should be doing now the next chart I want to show you I'm going to answer the question from our good friend Basil Chapman And that is about the gold market. So give me one second here, and I'll bring this up We had a major sell signal in that gold on Monday at 1852 and we got filled at 1852 and I'm almost embarrassed to say but I have to do it Market broke $14. I raised the stop to only risk $2. We got stopped out on the exact dick 1854 and now the market is broken down below the 78 percent level at 1793 that's was a low so far today below 1793 folks Sets up a potential for this thing to go all the way down to 1680 and I may be even 17 Well for a 1721st and then possibly 1680, but that's what's happened to the gold market Being down this much off the high we're down. Well, believe it or not folks We're down $60 if you can believe it this week in gold and there was a big tip off from that We talked about that GDX several times in the newsletter and also on the show on Monday That it was looking so badly and then also silver with the head and shoulders top that we've talked about Many times over and over again. Also by the way, I will be doing a Hold on one second here Someone's asked a question about that and I want to get this up here to let you sit here was that Here was the head and shoulders that we were looking at in the silver at that time What's so interesting about this if you look at the right shoulder there at the 24 75 The high folks was 24 75. I mean You can't get any closer than that which was a 1.618 expansion of the BC leg But the time between the left shoulder and the right shoulder in the head is absolutely perfect to the day So that that that is what was described by Oh Dr. Low in his book the Non-random walk down Wall Street That's how they determined what these patterns were to describe them mathematically in time and in price for them to be Alive patterns and that's what we have someone's asked a question today about the possible war between Russia and Or in the Ukraine and all this other stuff folks. I I don't know in Mikut all had a big run up You know it was sold off a dollar barrel no big deal anymore But the thing that I'd like to mention to you It also relates to another question Did I ever get any inside information that worked and the answer was no the only one that ever came close Was in january of 1991 I was getting gas in my car about five o'clock in the morning there in Pismo beach on my way to the office and there was a car just like mine a little sports car and the It wasn't a Ferrari thing like that. It was a 300z knock Nissan And it was a nice little car. Anyway, the guy next to me had the same color car And exactly the same car and I looked over at and I looked in the back and there was a picture or a rack there about You know a army bag Actually Air Force and then there was his uniform there and it was a layout and he was a full bird colonel And I asked him I said, hey, it looks like you're hitting out big what bifwack And he said, yeah, and I said, well, you got any good inside information for me And he said, yeah, he said don't be short crude oil That was five days before the january new moon of that year 1991 when we hit, uh, saudi, uh, We had a rack and bag dad But that was the only time that I ever got that and of course we that was not any Information at all because you know the market had already factored in what that were or possible war was going to be So that that's really what i'm trying to mention But don't trade what you see not what you think or what you hear You know, look at the chart if it's got a good bar you can tell whether it's going to be, uh Up or down, you know, you know what you're risking. That's really what you're happening We had something very very happening. It's very very important happened yesterday that we had posted on I'm going to start out here by by using the nasdaq as the example because It was just an absolute perfect. We had perfect patterns on absolutely every one of these But we're going to start out with the nasdaq yesterday And I want to continue on with it because we've got some wild volatility folks I mean, we're saying today we have seen the s and p rally 100 You know drop 40. I mean, it's just incredible volatility, which you like to see now. Look at this The high we made yesterday you can see the perfect abcd pattern exactly at the 382 off of the high Of uh, january the 14th now if we should close and we we came down yesterday I'm going to show you what happened last night because extremely important This will prove to you without a shadow of a doubt That there's people out there that knows what the algorithms are and they really pay attention to them Okay, so i'm going to show you this first. You'll see where we did you see how we came down really sharply We we reversed We dropped 700 actually 800 points in the nasdaq in the last hour of trading last night We went down just a tiny bit lower But what's important about that is last night two o'clock in the morning I happened to know because I had my my limit minder set on my computer and it woke me up And uh, I said well better go down and take a look at it and let me show you where we were It's going to be really interesting because uh, you're going to remember this if you remember yesterday I told you about the standard deviations that we follow with the floor trader's handbook There it was yesterday 42 16 In the s and p right so the market goes all the way back up. Okay So that changes that changes the standard deviation on the next swing down because it's based on What probabilities are of where the thing is supposed to be going now look what happened last night Here it is you get up here and take a look at it and the reason why i'm showing you this is because Somebody knows this because you know these algorithmic traders are in there and then you can see We went all the way down there to this one. I believe is the this is the nasdaq. Yep The nasdaq went right down. We took out the lows Of the previous day and look at this we stopped here We went today's high so far just a tad above the 61 percent retracement if we close above this mean tonight Which is at 14 450 not very far away This market could still go higher And and that that's that's what i'm saying because you remember i do a I'm a short-term trader looking at longer term possibilities because i don't want to buy something and risk uh Six or seven thousand dollars like some people do i'd rather go in there two or three times And try to get it without risking very much and a perfect example was the gold am i upset about it? Yeah for other people not for myself You know it's that's not a big deal But uh, you know that's that's what i'm trying to you know enforce this by the way we have a very special guest today None other than norman who calls it to the minute winsky will be talking to us He had a great show the last time he was on and he's going to be on again today here at 9 30 To talk to us about some of these other things. We've got a few other things to talk about Primarily i want to go through some of these things that uh are are pretty important as far as what happened yesterday because it hit so many numbers On these things. It's just amazing people that follow this and and i appreciate the emails you send me about the 382 patterns I got two last night about this one in the gold market You'll see there you go. Look you see there was the 382 in the gold Now if you do the abcd on that boys and girls, guess what you're going to come up with None other than 1792 will be right back with billy ray valentine capricorn You might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market You're going to need a crystal ball after all it's impossible to predict the future, right? 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I posted the chart of the dow e-mini yesterday Showing you the same pattern the same a bcd pattern a little boring But it's a glory to me. He's all I can tell you Anyway, we hit that we've had so many wild swings today in the yesterday and today In the dow Jones e-mini s and p nasdaq and especially nasdaq nasdaq moved yesterday I believe a total of the 14 20. I think it moved over for almost 40 000 dollars up in doubt in the nasdaq yesterday The key today folks is what happens on the close because if we close below one standard deviation Which is I'll give it to you in the s and p terms would be 40 to 30 For excuse me 40 to 12 if we close below 40 to 12 I wouldn't be long stocks At an any situation coming into monday now I don't know if there's anything news going out there All I know is at that point The option traders and along along algorithmic boys are going to be wrong and they'll know they're wrong And you'll see that thing if it closes really badly today, especially, you know with this wild swing hell It could it could close up 700 points in the dow easily easily could do that But the close today is what's really really super important because we've been down here We've tested these we've tried it now Wednesday thursday we're and of course we have tomorrow is being friday Uh, see what you do folks is you take thursday And then you add one day and then you come up with friday. I just calculated that wrong By the way, I'll be doing tommy o bryans show today at To let's see what time is it at one o'clock eastern time And uh, so i'm going to be doing a few things I'm going to be updating a lot of these charts to see where we are as we come into friday because This is going to be a really key day because we've come down here We've had the three-day rally it tried it it bounced back. It's you know doing everything It's can't you know to stay above it, but if it can't and it fails Look out below. That's the main thing that we have to remember and the reason why I say that there's a there's a strong Not a strong possibility, but you know the LA way boys have been calling for this monumental You know end of the world type, uh, you know top where the nasdaq went right up to the uh, number Excuse me the dow jone hit the exact price at 36,488 And uh, the actual high was, uh, 46,488 and they were predicting 36,488.5 So they missed it by 12 ticks, which is pretty good Not pretty good that is 100 right now if that's correct this market's going to break. That's the bottom thing now if the uh, that would be a 3 p.m. Eastern time, sorry bill bill. Thank you very much I keep I keep forgetting that the sun comes up in the east and it goes down in the west and there's a two hour difference Yes, it's two o'clock Try it again larry three o'clock eastern time, uh, that i'll be doing three to four for uh, tomby o' brian today So we'll remind ourselves of that now i covered the Other another one i want to mention to those of you that are across the pond over here You'll notice here that we have been very very bearish the british pound for quite some time Here was an example of one of the charts that one of our friends across the pond We've been short this thing since well way back in at 136 and change, but you notice a 382 rally That we had today and we broke we broke way below the 134 level already today So these markets are really rocking and rolling which we like to see but I appreciate the emails when people listen and it can work with the some of the things I talk about and I understand a lot of people don't do anything and that's okay, too Do your own thing, you know, whatever makes you happy. That's the whole thing What what I do I I do really simple things and it's boring to most people But other people, you know, not so boring and that's the the main thing to remind ourselves of that But let's get on to the charts that we need to cover and here we are folks We got to look at the big daddy rabbit here And that is none other than the us dollar and where is the us dollar at he got it here somewhere Because I spent a lot of time getting that little puppy ready You know, where is it it hits from me it hit from me and it's not hiding from me anymore We have and I put this in this was early this morning folks and we have gone up and we have Rocked and rolled way above this now We have broken out of a double top up here from November And that's a really big thing and I because the dollar Index or not the dollar index, but the euro concentrates 53 percent of the dollar index And the euro is the largest single traded thing in the whole world I mean nothing even comes close. It's a great if you want to trade and not and be bored and just not have You know not have any experience or worrying about anything trade the euro. My gosh, it's just It's boring, but boy it makes money and that's what when I did the Floor traders handbook with john jameson the That's what we focused on because that was the number one thing you know, it's just the perfect You know it hits these numbers like magic, you know So anyway, let's take a look here at this euro here on a long-term weekly basis because You can see where we are now folks and this was this was done a little bit earlier. It's gone lower actually We have we're almost ready to take out the point to see down here at this 117 level once if we take the 117 at once actually 116 when we take 116 out folks You're looking at a potential it has to do that You know, but maybe it's going to be a double bottom because you know, we've seen double bottoms and double tops before But should we take that out? You're looking at a euro. It's going to be down here at about 106. Okay, that means the us dollar is going to be It's going to be probably flirting flirting with 100 easy So and we've been to 161 so 100 doesn't mean a whole lot So this just pay attention to this because this thing could really Really get you know, really really pretty nasty and that's the main thing this level here at 106 was where it was way back in 2000 when my little grandson was born On august the 14th on a beautiful full moon the chase moon Doyle was born that day My daughter being interested in astrology and she named him after the moon and boy What a what a wonderful kid this guy is boy. He had a had a scholarship at stanford Went for a year got straight a's and said this not for me. I don't like college And so he went to the big apple. He said I can make it here and that little son of a god He's made it. I just can't believe it. He's uh he's a actually he's a comedian and He's really good at it and he is doing animated cartoons now for The children's station there in uh, new york and plus he does some comedy routines and Then a little nightclub sometimes but he's doing really well And he's happier than a pig in poop and that's what's really really very important We're going to have norm winsky coming up here at the break He's got some really great stuff as always and we'll be watching it People have asked me why am I not watching the uh, the natural gas? I still am but folks I'm focused very much on the no the british pound the euro and the You know crude oil and gold and and of course the stock indices. Those are those are the ones that I'm watching, you know So that's it. No, I don't I don't feed him any jokes. He feeds jokes to me I I went to any graduated from high school and a big high school there in san lucas bow And he was one of the five acts that they had that night He had a 15 minute skit and I he got a standing ovation. I I don't think I've ever been that proud Well, I I've been that proud with my daughters, of course, but that was really really spectacular For me to see him do that. Well, he's just so self-confident.  We'll be right back folks Are you having fun trading the markets? 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I think we have norm winsky on the line from Beautiful napal's florida. Are you there norman? Yes, sir larry. Thanks for having me on your show It is our pleasure having you on we enjoyed having you on the last time you had some great info So why don't you light up the board and tell us what you're looking at today my friend? All right. I always like to review what I forecasted. I think it's the responsible thing to do And I was last on your show on the 13th thursday the 13th of january and So i'm going to review these points that I gave out back then for what was coming up AC is after the close.  The markets are pretty thin, you know Regular day session is only one fourth of a day The planets don't clock out at four or five o'clock. They're 24 seven. So 75 there's 75 just based on random distribution 75 chance that Some planetary event will be happening overnight. That's ac or after the close So we had that night the 13th. We had neptune to the us natal chart us mars What is that and then we take a snapshot of where the planets were when the good old usa was founded on july 4 1776 And so anytime we have that to the us chart We look at us stocks deep bonds and us dollar We also had mercury in the side of aquarius turn retrograde mercury is the main thing mercury is and by the way, I forgot to mention The stocks respond to all these events that all the most the other markets are narrow filters that only respond to certain things Mercury is the greens. Okay the corn and then because it was in the side of aquarius We're also going to throw in copper in the mix Soybeans and wheat that we had another point to the us chart on the night Those were both the night of the 13th then over the 14th weekend We had again Saturn to the us chart and us stocks t bonds dollar that we had mercury A perihelion that's when the mercury on 88 day cycle around the sun and the planets are elliptical that's egg shaped not circular in their motion And so there's a point where the planets are closest to the sun and a point where those panel plants are farthest from the sun Closest is perihelion farthest is an api helium and mercury perihelion there And we were looking for corn gold Soybeans wheat and then we had a full moon over that weekend and we also had Uranus turning direct That's one of my top things when the plants Turn direct or retrograde. It's when they they're that moment there They look relative to the earth. It looks like the planets stop their motion We know they don't physically do that, but it's a roll It's a Einsteinian roll to thing to the earth And it looks like they stop their motion and for a moment and then reverse direction and when the planets Change trend the markets often change trend. So we'll be looking at those charts now Here's the rules of the game if the market were about 75 percent of the time if the market's going down into a indicated Change the trend window it will probably reverse and if it's been going up, you know the same thing We're looking for the extremes if the markets going sideways we do nothing Okay, so we want to see the market either going down or going up Here's corn and horn was going down into their first point here We had three points for the each of the grains and right there you'd be buying right near the lows And then it riled up and then pulled back on our next window And when we had two points over that weekend 14th weekend And then you had a chance to buy again near the lows and then it was up up and away Here's soy beans pretty much the kind of the same thing a little more skewed toward the latter date But we had pulled back here into the 13th And then we overnight into the weekend The the rules are we usually target the opening of the next day when we have the ac After closed so that's why we have the green arrow pointing at the arrow at the opening And there we have the opening here on the 18th Monday the 17th was a holiday You might remember and then we went up up up. So that was good. And here's the wheat Wheat was really great.  You know, you're honest in Tarras the bull Just might have something to do with cattle and this wasn't that terrific I was there kind of a marginal train it rallied up into there and then the next day You did make your high and then you had a significant Drop after that Then we had cotton. Yes every now and then I have a miss Up up up and and then more up Up and that was too much up. And so we marked that as a miss Green is good red is bad yellow is sideways or pass There we go copper coming sharply down You will be buying there right on that short term low and then a nice rally And then silver pulled back into the moon there And then I had a nice rally that gold was going kind of sideways So you couldn't tell which way to go and so all our gold points there were passes Here's the s&p. We didn't pull back into the After closed open at the 14th after close to 13 for it's kind of hard to see there because we've had such large movement in the s&p that it tends to to You know squeeze the scaling so those bars are don't look very big But that's like 50 handles there you could have made on that just that one day And then because it was kind of sideways into the next day's opening Uh, it was confusing whether it was a higher or low So pass pass pass on that one But here's one that's clear in contrast here with the t-bonts rallied right up to right to our point there and then down for a for a low on the next two points for They had a nice high there. You had a nice low there and then it eventually rallied again Here's a dollar. You were just talking about the dollar Larry and down down down into the Our point us point there on the opening of the 14th and up and then but it didn't stop going up Uh on the moon or the our other pointer over the weekend of the 14th. So that's a couple of Misses there. Here's Aussie dollar coming down down down into the moon That was a by the way full moon.  So that's a miss into the moon By the way, just miss the top there, uh, you know for a couple of days, but you know, it's like horseshoes, you know It's only I don't encounter horseshoes All right, we pulling that back now into the Canadian dollar And that's a nice short term below there on the Canadian dollar And you're just talking about the euro and you're one day off that high there that high is higher than that high So that was about a high there is the high of the month And uh, the next day where you could sell against that high and you only had to risk that amount On that trade and that might be something that it sounds like literally might like And here's yen yen again, you could sell against that top there and you had a nice one day dip And so if you add up the green arrows and the red arrows Okay, I'll wait let's take a break and we get back We'll finish adding up those arrows and we'll be right back with norm winsky astral trends Are you in the market for buying or selling real estate in the bay area Including the surrounding st. 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We're chatting with uh Norm winsky of astro trends. You want to continue my friend? How did the arrows turn out? Okay, thanks for asking And we have if you add up the green arrows and the red arrows we had 21 winners four misses out of 25 for 84 percent Okay, let's move on. Now. What's coming up? That's a great question All right, uh the weekend of the 28th coming up Venus is now retrograde, but it's going to stop It's called a station point and turn to go forward which is called direct And we and our venus markets are cattle Because it's in capricorn. It'll be coffee copper cotton sugar and wheat So it's the market. By the way, if you uh, Would like to get a copy of these notes just send me an email And i'll send you a copy of these notes and then you can go listen to the video again and follow along with your own personal notes All right, so we have uh jupiter to the us chart over the weekend of the you of the 28th That's always you round up the usual suspects or us stocks t bonds us dollar And then we have a new moon coming up the night of the 31st early February 1 in the sign of aquarius That's your round up your usual suspects for that Financials grains precious metals and because it's in the sign of aquarius What i have we were throwing in copper as a special And then we have mercury in capricorn mercury is currently retrograding in capricorn And that's going to turn to direct the night of the third And that's because in capricorn. We got coffee and then of course mercury is the grains corn soy beans wheat And then we have a the afternoon of the fourth we have sat in to the us chart for us stocks t bonds and dollar And so that's what's coming up here in the next week or so I've been doing this a little while now. I started uh trading in college You on astrology at first book. I bought was the well the first books I bought a financial astrology I stumbled on the donald bradley stock market prediction. I think that was 1971 or so And then I made enough money that led led to my buying a membership on the chicago board options exchange in 1975 And when I finished school there at good old indiana state in terra hote I would move moved to chicago and I was a chicago floor trader I was on the cboe on the board of trade for about uh off For about 12 years now All right, and I know I've been studying all this stuff. So, you know, if you want to learn more Give me a call here. You're gonna. Here's my contact info here. I'll give you a free class We got letters. I got two letters. I got a swing trading letter day trading letter You I'll teach you and you sign it for astrology course Here we go. Here's my contact in beautiful napal's florida To 39 5 9 4 3 9 3 9 you can email me and winsky and bark With a q that's a q mail.com or and once you can skype and whiskey underscore 1 do you have any questions from the Tigers down there larry. Yes, we we do norm about two questions The first question is what did you pay for your seat in 1971 at the cboe? That was 1975 75. Yeah, sorry and the price was 25 thousand dollars Uh-huh Later on when the exchange is demutualized, you know, they when they moved away from that model and the members uh at the cboe occasion we're able to cash out for if I held on I mean larry, let's face it if somebody told you you were on the cme there And somebody told you they're going to obsolete your job But you're going to get a big payoff if you hold your membership to the end.  I got out after 12 years. I I got up for over 200 000 dollars eight times my money, you know I thought that was pretty good and I was getting to be an old man there in my mid 30s And so I thought it was time to move on, you know So anyway, the cboe membership you held it to the end was good for about three million dollars, you know Well, I am that I had for 100. Yeah, what's that? The IMMC that I had for 110 when they merged was a 4.2 Large Yeah, there you go. Second second question that we have I was going to tell you a great story. We have time for a story tonight. Sure. We sure do go right ahead All right. So when I I was, uh, you know making I We won't go into the story about my making money today But anyway, I bought it I bought uh Did some trading and one of my college days there and made quite a bit of money And I had a small inheritance added that to that and so Then I decided I would oh and then I started taking finance classes Because I made friends with the local stock brokers and one of them kind of became a friend and mentor it said son You might want to think about becoming a stock broker when you get out of school I didn't have any I didn't know what I was going to do. So I thought that's the stock market thing It's kind of fun, you know, so I started taking I was an econ major and I started taking finance classes And so when I got to my senior year I had the same prof for two finance classes And one was a financial intermediation one was investments. I've been trading options by that point And I told us and the prof says if you want to get a grade in my class You're going to have to write a senior paper. So I went to them to look prof I got you for two classes six hours credit How about if I write a two fold paper on the cboe, you know investment options and investment And the exchange as a financial intermediary Intermediary and he said okay, and so I drove the 200 miles to chicago Got the tour of the exchange and when we got done done with the tour I asked my tour guide. I said How does one become a member here because I was writing a paper plus in the back of my head? I thought oh this might be a career opportunity And I said how do you become a member? She said you should go talk to the chairman of the membership committee I said who's that? That's eddy o'connor. I bet you might have heard eddy. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I know who he is. Yeah I was just starting on this journey and I didn't know who eddy o'connor was We had we you and I know larry that he's the father of the whole enchilada He dropped up that exchange, you know Yeah, he's a good friend of leo maluma too. Yeah, absolutely There you go at the yeah leo was the the main man at the cme And eddy was one of the top guys there at the border trade He was at the time vice chairman in the late 60s They were getting concerned that the commodity business kind of dried up all the stock market with hot hot hot And they said what can we do and eddy came out of the idea? Let's let's let's have an options exchange and that led to so I go to visit me eddy Meet with eddy and eddy is very nice to me. He says it tells me how you become a member And then he says son Do you have any money? I said, well, I have a small inheritance He said well, you might want to put your name I have from the exchange on this I have a list over here Put your name down there and you could and the currently the memberships are trading at 45,000 the exchange is going to sell 150 for 150 Memberships for 25,000. I heard a kaching in my head for 20,000 I said, where do I sign, you know So I could put my name on the list there. I was number 160 Fibonacci, right?  We've had some cancellations. Are you still interested? I said, uh, yes Where do I sell my check on that and put me on the path? Wow. Hey, stay with us. We gotta pay a few bills We want to come back and have the folks how they can reach you and I want to there's one other question outstanding, okay Okay, we'll be right back with normal whiskey folks astro trans napal's florida Sharpening your skills as an investor is like getting better at playing a musical instrument You have to practice sure, but you also need excellent instruction from experts at tfnn You'll get advice and guidance from the authority and technical market analysis And it's not just dry tedious text either Tfnn airs live financial content streamed live on tfnn.com and tfnn's youtube channel with tiger tv Live every market day from 8 30 a.m. To 4 p.m. Eastern for free Each host is an experienced trader and gives their take on the market while taking calls and questions live from around the world From the moment the market opens until the closing bell sounds tiger tv has eight different shows with expert hosts to help You make the right moves with your money Watch online at tfnn.com or on tfnn's youtube channel and become the investor you were born to be tfnn educating investors You might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market You're going to need a crystal ball after all it's impossible to predict the future, right? 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JP morgan Uh Hired her as an astrology. He he attributed her by helping him make hundreds of millions of dollars Back when that kind of money would buy something, you know, yeah So hey, here's a real quick note. If you don't mind jumping in here with something Back, it's back to tarot there. Uh, I you were talking with tim boss the other day about the rig of the astrologer My first book astrology book ever bought was uh, oh my god I'm having a senior moment there now Astrology for adults by jome quick Lee was rigging the astrologer That was the first book I bought and that's saying you you lived down by honey creek square there. I think larry, right? Sure did. Yeah, and you probably went in the crockhamber town's bookstore there in the in the shopping center Never learned to read but I heard it was there All right. Well, that's where I found my first astrology book Joan quick Lee's book and then one year later the next summer I stumbled on a half of the grants down at the floor and there was a skinny little pamphlet of a book Line there all by itself. It looked like a lost orphan And it says it had something about the stock market on the cover And I was interested in that I picked that up and and I intuitively thought there must be a way, you know, given the psychology Factor there must be some way to maybe there's some way to link astrology with the stock market And I picked that I picked that up. It was Donald Bradley stock market prediction And and I couldn't believe it. I didn't even know that existed And I said wow, this is great And then I turned back to the inside page first page where they had the price marked on it Had been marked $1 struck out Marked down to 10 cents and that led to my Doing a great treat. Yeah, my family was all the all in the scrap business I heard about copper prices growing up and so I went on a copper mining company And But it was 55 cents a mile. I was 18 months. The copper was a dollar a dollar 40 We're leaving the show. We'll have you on a couple weeks and you can tell some more stories. They love to hear them, okay All right, thanks a lot. Thanks for the great information folks Norm winsky astro trance and we'll see you on the flip side tomorrow Our guest will be Jeff Hughes of alpha insights