My name is Richard Stanwick. I'm a medical doctor and have specialized training in pediatrics and public health and preventive medicine. I've also been the medical health officer for South Vancouver Island for over 20 years. In the course of that time, I've been very much involved in a number of sprays of the product for a 48B. As part of this process of engaging the public, I have certainly participated in public hearings, heard concerns, and certainly monitored them. I've also been involved in scientific studies looking at whether or not these sprays are harmful to people. The product itself is a bacteria that's found commonly in soil. Anybody who's garden, played outdoors, or spent any time on the ground has come in contact with this bacteria. It in fact is the bacteria that Rachel Carson recommends in Silent Spring. Many people who follow organic farming practices in fact use the BTK product as this is a pathogen or harmful only to caterpillars. It does not harm bees, amphibians, reptiles, and mammals including humans. The CRD and Capital Health Region conducted significant studies at the time of a spray in 1999 that involved us monitoring not only individuals in the spray zone, but individuals outside the spray zone. We were able to show conclusively that there were no medically significant differences between the populations including that of the children. It's not to say that this product is without the possibility of causing minor irritation to the eyes, ears, nose, and throat. When the spray takes place, there will be adequate notification of the public. For people who do not wish to be exposed, the best thing to do is when a spray is taking place is to remain indoors for an hour with your doors and windows closed. People may wish to take an extra precaution in terms of avoiding exposure by not trading on grass or handling plants that have been sprayed for up to four hours. For more information on the Gypsy Moth and the BTK Spray Program, go to the BC Government's HealthLink website. Thank you.


As we announced, we're very happy to announce that we're going to have Instagram ads, everyone on Facebook, starting early summer maximum. What Instagram ads mean is that our inch ads and video ads are going to be served before children are after any of the videos. And if you guys don't know the guys and generally try to go through Facebook, we're also launching other revenue channels across Facebook and Instagram, and this includes Facebook stars, Instagram assets and Instagram gifts as well. Any specific questions you want to address? Any questions? Shall we talk about creativity? So, here now we become an initial country in a couple of weeks. This means an creator that passes the eligibility criteria will be able to online advice by their own. And to talk about the eligibility criteria in more technical terms, we're talking about creators that have more than 5,000 followers, creators that are more than 18 years of age plus, creators that have more than 5 active videos on their Facebook page, and that have collected 60,000 mini-views in the last 60 days. And this is for videos, on direct OZ videos and live videos as well. Of course, it's very important to pass our eligibility criteria including certification policies and community standards. These are policies and rules that refer to protecting behaviour, safety and intellectual property, and these are all available on www.facebook.com. I'm going to look at my family address in here. The people don't normally ask me so many questions. Thank you. My name is Chris, I look after the commercial business for medical facilities in Africa. There's a couple of things that I wanted to add. One is that I wanted to participate with any of the chance of you which is, I think, to derive the base of all creators. And the mention of Kibisa, I'm previous to Zula, I used to manage the partnership team in the international market. We actually use Kaniyia regularly as a global case setting of mobile games. And I'm going to ask for a good example of a product market that came in as to be one of the top markets which we think that the availability of mobile games can be quite aggressive across the United States. So I hope this will hopefully explore this example more rapidly. I know that the mobile game scene is why I committed to integrate this scene into four of our assets because we see this as a very strategic market. Kaniyia today is a hub for most of the agencies throughout Africa. And I think that it was a good mobile game scene to be able to use in action. Any questions on the commercial business? Any questions on the commercial business? All right, we have a question. Hello, I'm Sarah Kutusiak. I think we just mentioned the probability of you. Do you have a structured way in which you're going to put because, as we say, you have to actually meet the asset you're going to acquire or be trained creators to be able to do that for you? We do that. What's your opinion about that? I'm going to ask you a question. We are going to give you a quick opinion of what you do and we are more than happy with two of them with respect to this organization. We will do some visual workshops for you to support you. Transference is very important for us. Everything is available now. We are as soon as being able to come and reach the country. And if any creator that feels that you should be as far as you want to be, that goes far to the spot right now. And you'll be able to set up this information account as soon as possible. Thank you very much. We have another question for you now. Our squad is an individual individual. Any account can select to be a creator account and as soon as we are eligible and we have enough content. Or is he an asset? Even in some cases, the institution, the cultural institutions, the museums, can also be a huge amount of players. Obviously, many of the content that we have here is a global player so that will be a great way to discuss it. We can have two more. We have two more questions. Good morning. Excellent to see you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. We are very clear that the company has undergone a change over the past 18 to 20 months, and in many cases has actually killed businesses. That doesn't mean half of the business has changed in a way. We still have staff working out here, and a number of colleagues who offer the help of international agents in that kind of work. It's unlikely that in the near future we will be like this. We've already had very early sessions, however, about continuing investment in infrastructure in Kenya and in the rest of the region. As the exodus continues to press up, it's not just about Canada, but the whole region. So we'll continue to invest in higher infrastructure. I think infrastructure has been able to help relieve investments. There has to be more ways to access it in the near future, as well as other major infrastructure issues. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. When it comes to the case of the stars, this would be added at the chips that consumers and users do. It depends on the package that we get, and usually we'll give the stars to the creators. What has become really big in our time? All right, allow me to now welcome the CS4 ICT and your fellow oxygener. Before I give the brief remarks, I would like to give an overview of our summation of best practices, whether they may be issued, and perhaps just activate the opportunities of partnership that can help us in the future. Thank you. Let me take it back for a second time. I think the thing to bear in mind is that technology doesn't satisfy the internet, it's not a satisfied thing. We are on the cusp of a complete transition in the way in which we will interact with each other and access the online world as the new generative AI tools have become much more prevalent in our everyday life. We are very keen to better to work in partnership with this world, and of course others around the world, as we navigate those huge changes. That involves understanding what the new infrastructure needs are. There is going to be an explosion, for instance, in the construction of AI data centres and AI infrastructure required to build the online foundation model to drive artificial intelligence in the future. We will need to invest in people. People can understand how to use new generative AI tools. We are very proud of that, that we are the leading proponent in the world of open sourcing AI technology. We are very present in our public justice. We firmly believe that it is simply not sustainable or acceptable to be visited to a world where only a very small number of very wealthy West Coast American companies will be able to develop this technology and then charge a fee or subscription to any other world to access it. We have long believed in open sourcing AI technology. We have open sourced over a thousand AI databases and models over the last decade, and we want to continue to do so. By means of you, creative entrepreneurs, people coming out with great ideas of how to use AI to build new businesses, you will be able to access our online foundation models for free. We will be sending billions of dollars, billions of dollars to build that infrastructure now that we want to make sure that it is made for everybody around the world for free and repurposed as it can be in multiple languages as well. So whether it is human and digital literacy, digital training, we will continue to be into that. Whether it is facing the major infrastructure challenges around the world, or whether it is sharing the fruits of the immense creative and productive benefits that we brought about by this genital AI revolution that we are going to do in the moment, we very much want to continue to grow the culture with the government here, with all of you, with our entrepreneurs, with educators, with creators, as we forge a way ahead in the future. Thank you. Your Excellency, the discussion that we have had this morning just was to amplify the amounts of communities that are in the public in the economic space. And this is very much a kind of expressing with your broader economic transformation agenda and also a significant last dramatic area in which the digital superhighway and the creative economy are service-based. As a ministry of excellence, the rest of the discussion and guidance we have received from you will be suspecting our digital scaling program for the youth so that they can get at least six kids to be able to optimally exploit the protection of the creative economy. And we also thank you, Your Excellency, for always offering the best for partnership between us and the virus. We just want to express our common privilege to invite you to come and discuss it. Let's hear from your Excellency.


Hi everybody, we're back, this is Dave Vellante with Wikibon.org and this is the CUBE Silicon Angles production of IBM Pulse. We're here live at the MGM in Las Vegas. We've got two days of coverage. The CUBE goes out, we extract the signal from the noise. Good friend Jason Buffington is here. He's an analyst with ESG, a very well known organization. His focus is on backup and strategies around backup. Jason, welcome back to theCUBE, it's good to see you again. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so Pulse, good show, 10,000 plus people. I don't know if you had a chance to catch the keynotes this morning, a lot of energy, a lot of cool stuff, great music. These tech shows are becoming Las Vegas shows. Like a Broadway production, absolutely. Broadway production, pretty amazing. But so what's your initial take of Pulse? I like Pulse because there's enough data protection in it that really keeps it interesting for me.  It's a good show for us. So what's new in your data protection world? What have you been tracking lately? What are some of the things that have been exciting you? Maybe some of the challenges that you see companies finally stepping up to an address and some of the practitioners, same. Sure, so lately one of the things I've been really passionate around is helping people understand what I call the data protection spectrum. And what I mean by that is that data protection really ought to be thought of as kind of the umbrella with things like backup and snapshots and replication and archive and availability. Those are all like colors of a rainbow, right? And so what you ought to be thinking about when you're thinking about a data protection strategy is when was the last time you saw a rainbow didn't have green or blue, right? In the same way your data protection strategy really ought to include backup, plus snaps, plus replication, plus archive, plus ability. It's that whole range of solutions that are there. And I think also one of the things that people are starting to finally realize is that that kind of a hybrid approach, those mechanisms for data protection, should also be thought of within the context of disk plus tape plus cloud. Today's data protection really ought to have all options on the tables. They're thinking about how do you want to recover first and then pick the color of the rainbow, that spectrum line that makes the most sense for that. Yeah, so the basic premise there is you've got some staples that you should have in your portfolio as a practitioner, red, green, and blue. Yeah. And you know, it's interesting. I mean, there's always been a big spectrum of backup, right?  I mean, you had guys like storage tech pushing tape into new dimensions and new applications. And you've just always had this, you know, bevy of colors and flavors. It's been quite a rich palette. That's not changing. If anything, it's getting more diverse, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. You know, some of the things, so we saw folks that said, you know, everything is going to go disk, it's not all going to go disk, right? So tape is still in use in a little over half of all environments today. And in fact, some of the new innovations we see around tape durability and the flexibility of things like LTFS, I expect tape is actually going to get a little bit more bump on that. One of the pieces of research I recently looked at was around the convergence of backup and archive. And it used to be that people would say like, well, you know, backup was to disk and archive, that was to tape, and we don't see that as much anymore. In fact, a couple of things I thought were really interesting when we asked folks, what are you actually archiving, right? That's one of the colors of the rainbow, right? So what are you actually archiving? I would have expected to hear people say like, well, I'm storing data for seven years, 10 years, 15 years, that's actually not true. So the average age of data coming back out of the archive is under 24 months. The average size of data coming back is typically a gig or less, 75% of the time is less than 100 gigs. And by the way, the expectation for how quick data should come out of the archive is typically measured now in seconds or minutes. When you start taking those kind of characteristics together, okay, so data under 24 months, small data sizes, and really fast recovery and retrieval times, all of a sudden tape isn't really that obvious for that solution either. So all of a sudden disk and cloud also become just as viable for those kinds of solutions. So the palette is really rich and the thing is, is that it should not be around, well, if I'm doing this solution, I should use this media. There are no rules for that. I mean, it really has to fit. What is the domain of tape then? I mean, there's certain economic advantages to tape, if you can find the right use case. I guess there's some bandwidth advantages if you can find the right use case. What are those use cases? Is it deep archive? Is it retention? Is it mobility? So I like the deep archive, but frankly, today's traditional data protection in the robo type environments, tape is still a more than adequate solution for some of those distributed environments as well, where for whatever reason, they can't afford de-duplicated disk. And the de-dupe is actually a big part of that, right? So if you're just going to go with disk-based backup and you're not de-duplicating, all of a sudden that gets really expensive. But for those environments that can't do that, tape is an interesting scenario there. I'll tell you frankly, so I have an LTO5, LTFS drive at home, and it's my T drive, right? Like copy files to and from it, I drag and drop, and it literally is, it's T drive, which totally blows my mind, right? So 15 years ago, we wanted better backup than what tape could give us. So we wanted to go to disk, but oh by the way, we didn't know how to write to disk, so we made disk look like tape, and that's how we got VTLs, right? Now fast forward 15 years, and tape actually has some new legs to stand on, but we don't know how to write to tape anymore. So now we put LTFS on it and make tape look like disk. Totally flips that equation around. So you remember sort of the whole tape sucks, right? And that was- I've heard that rumor before. It tapes around still. I think maybe the bumper sticker was, should have been backup sucks, right? Which is great for guys like you, because it means you- It's not solved yet, that's true. It's not solved, it's all, I've been in this business a long time, back it's always been one of the hardest problems to solve. So tape you're saying, still used in backup for small, mid-sized businesses and remote offices, and what, last resort DR, or not necessarily, or anywhere else? Is that it? Is that the last domain of tape? I don't, I wouldn't want to overly simplify and say that's the last domain because I think there's some other portability use cases where tape has legs on it too. My point is just that the same way that disk is not the be-all, end-all, silver bullet of data protection, tape is just as much not entirely dead. And oh by the way, cloud absolutely has a place. One of the things that we were looking at though from a cloud perspective is there's a lot of folks out there that think that cloud is the silver bullet, right? As long as I write a check and just, all my backup problems go away. That is not true. There's a few cases where that happens to be, but really for your backup problems to go away, it's not around cloud as a backup service, it's around the expertise and the consultancy coming in there to actually take over the management of it. But for most cloud-based data protection solutions, you're still going to run it. You're still going to have the admin, you're still going to be pushing the agents out. You're still going to be invoking the restores. At that point, cloud-based data protection just becomes the mechanism by which you deploy it. Nothing else really changes. So we're at re-invent, we had theCUBE there and listening to Andy Jassy, he said that Glacier was the fastest growing product in the history of AWS. Now, Redshift was one of the other fast growing products. I can't remember, one is revenue, one is capacity, but so anyway, fast growing product. You're all good. So they're all good, right. So Glacier, does, in your view, Glacier sort of confirm the need for a deep archive, low cost, not intense RTO type of medium. Right, yeah, so if you think about the cloud, right? The cloud is just a deployment model that says that we believe that we can do things more efficiently because we're doing it at scale and we have deep expertise. In a nutshell, that's really what cloud means, right? And so if that's the case, and your use case is, I need to store data for an extremely long period of time and I want to have a long shelf life on that, then that's a pretty good equation for tape. And so the difference just becomes, instead of you managing your tape, they're managing their tapes instead, but the rest of the architecture kind of stays the same. Here's the thing that I think people need to understand about cloud as far as what comes to data protection. I'm going to take Glacier aside for a second, but in the more common sense of how data protection works, we looked at what the SLA expectations were of people that were going to the cloud, and by the way, the SLA's are about the same as people doing on-premise protection, right? So just because you go to cloud does not absolve you of that rapid recovery, the expectation of fast protection, all those other rules still apply. So because of that, we're seeing that really it's going to always be a disc to disc to cloud world for almost everybody. Now there's a few exceptions to that where you get some really aggressive WAN acceleration, but for the most part, you're always going to have an on-premise, intermediary appliance for fast recovery before you go to the cloud. I did a podcast a couple of weeks ago. And that's a, sorry to interrupt, so that's a snapshot to a separate physical device. Well, it could be a snapshot, it could be a backup. Or a backup to a separate, but typically a separate physical device, or not necessarily, yeah. So for best practice, separate physical device, just to cover your bases a little bit, and then get it off site as fast as you can. Exactly. So it's a disc to disc to cloud with an intermediary appliance there first. But here's the thing, I did a podcast a few weeks ago and in that I talked about basically disc to disc to cloud is like having one box of Legos and three or four different instruction manuals. So I have suns, right? And so we grew up on Legos and I am convinced that the box and that little bag of Legos, depending on which manual they stick in the box, you could turn into a motorcycle or a jet airplane, right? And disc to disc to cloud starts to look very similar to that because you could do a cloud-based data protection service, right, which is where it's all driven from the cloud and oh, by the way, they just put a caching appliance in there. You could just take your traditional on-premise backup that you do today, right? So your dedicated backup server, your dedicated backup appliance, whatever, and then just stretch it to the cloud. Either way, it's disc to disc to cloud. Really, it's just a matter of where does the management experience come from and what's the OPEX model. So what's IBM's plan all this? What's going on with IBM? What's going on at Pulse? I mean, where are they in this conversation? So I'm really excited about where they're going. Now, I'm a little blurry on what all was announced today versus what I happen to know on Roadmap. So, but I am really excited. Yeah, so we should stay away from that then. Yeah, we're not supposed to talk about that. But here's the parts I think are really interesting. So from a TSM investment perspective, I think 2013 was a year when IBM really said that, you know, this is not your daddy's backup. Or arguably, in IBM's case, this is not your granddaddy's backup, right?   Absolutely, and they've got a disc solution and they're coming into cloud really strong. I mean, so they've got all those right pieces. They also, by the way, I think a lot of people forget, they actually fill out that whole data protection spectrum, right?  They have backup. They have archiving. They have replication technologies. They do it across disc taping cloud. And by the way, they do it across not just X86, but other platforms as well. I think a lot of people forget the breadth of that solution set. One of the things I'm probably most excited about for what we saw today was around Operation Center and that new UI. You know, you really want to prove point around this is not your daddy's IBM, it's the new UI. One of the things that, particularly for things like virtualization, so easily one of the most important workloads to protect right now is that highly virtualized software-defined data center, private cloud, yada yada. When we tested what are the problems that people have in that kind of environment, five of the top six problems in protecting virtualized environments are visibility. Right? So I mean, you and I have been in this business a long time, right? So in the old days, if you wanted to protect a server, you went over to the physical server, you put an agent on it, you could walk the copper across the room, you saw how the backup server was, and you were done, right? You could figure out what was going right or wrong. Today, if I want to figure out what's wrong with a VM backup, we'll see which cluster off of which host, with which data store across, which software-defined network, virtualization is, the abstraction is powerful in a lot of things, but better data protection is not always one of them. It abstracts a lot of those details. And so some of the things that we saw around Operation Center where we're actually seeing, and these investments actually started in 2013, where they really made some investments around performance because they were behind, right? And then some of the workload stuff around virtualization and the integration with VMware's vCenter stack, all of a sudden, now they're in this. So it ought to be an interesting 2014, particularly as they start to more aggressively put cloud into the mix. Now how about mobile, Jason? We've been hearing it at this conference at Pulse, a lot of talk about mobile, mobile first, everybody wants to bring their own devices, internet of things even. What are you seeing on mobile? What are you seeing on just endpoint backup? Fair enough. So people, for some strange reason, there is a group of people out there that have figured out that because I bought the laptop, I'm supposed to be responsible for backing it up. And that's just foolish, right? The IT Pro, they are the custodian of data, right? And whether that data lives on a corporate paid file server or whether it lives on a laptop I paid for myself, it is corporate data, right? How can you try to absolve yourself of data protection for it just because it happens to be on a drive that you didn't pay for? So I think that's just flat dumb. And yet it's really scary because when we actually did some research around this, we found that IT Pros were having a very different strategy on whether to protect endpoint devices at all, right? And the complaints there was, well, it's not strategic enough and I'm concerned about storage sprawl and I think it's going to be too much effort. It's corporate data, right? That doesn't go away. But then for those posts that got past that and said, okay, yeah, you're right, I should probably protect it, they had different strategies for protecting the corporate-owned devices than they did their BYOD devices. Which is really pretty goofy if you think about it. It's corporate data. And if you take that one step further, recognize that demographically, the folks most likely to have a BYOD device as opposed to a corporally-issued device is senior management, right? You know, it's the folks at the top that said I want that new spanky laptop of product X, right? So if you're not protecting that data, not only are you selectively not protecting some of it, you're not protecting the executives' data, right? Can you imagine the CFO coming down the IT Pro and saying, I've lost my data and the IT Pro going, I'm sorry, that's not my problem, you bought the laptop, right? So yeah, it's a crazy world we live in. What about the challenge of copy creep, I call it, right? I mean, you've got zillions of copies, you're emailing stuff around, you've got your backup of backup, you've got stuff on your mobile device, you've got stuff up in Google Drive, you've got stuff up in Evernote, maybe that's somebody else's problem because it's in the cloud. But if you look at the anatomy of a file and the number of times it gets copied. Oh yeah, 12, 16, 20 iterations. Could even be more, right? Who knows? Yeah, but definitely dozens, right? We can agree on that. What do you see in the marketplace? It's clearly a problem. Do you see some guys attacking it, like Actifio obviously trying to go after that problem? How real is that sort of approach and what are others doing? Yeah, so I like the Actifio approach. If for nothing else, then they've really driven a new story, right? The story of copy data management. And it's kind of that ugly secret that so many folks in IT have just kind of ignored for so long, which is if I'm snapshotting and I'm backing up and I'm replicating and I'm archiving, all of a sudden I've got dozens of copies as file. And all of the IT vendors that are in the space trying to solve this, they're trying to figure out, I've got this really expensive data protection infrastructure out there. How do I shrink that footprint down so I can reduce my costs, right? Because otherwise I'm paying for this behemoth of infrastructure that has no value until the backup happens. So we're seeing a couple things out there. We're seeing some interesting approaches around reducing those copies. A lot of that comes from converging that data protection spectrum. Just because you have five or six colors worth of data protection should not mean that you have five or six different storage silos, that you have five or six different management UIs, that you have five or six different data protection strategies. We should be seeing convergence there. And the more you converge the backend storage, that's goodness, right? Because at least that's reducing your major catbacks. But then we're also seeing on what can those vendors do to actually make that data more useful? Can I represent it so for test dev or for running reports or for in-user access enablements? So there's a lot of interesting momentum right now on how do I make the value of that infrastructure better by providing more agility and more solutions than just if something goes bad I have the ability to recover it. So Jason, last question. You got this spectrum, this rainbow. Yep. IT pros got to deal with this stuff. Backup is always like the insurance. It's not the high priority, high ROI project. It's one of those, if it's something goes bad, then I'm screwed. So that's the snake bit and ROI. What's your advice for IT pros that are struggling with the spectrum? They got virtualization visibility issues. They're interested in the cloud, but they're afraid of it. They're hanging onto some tape and maybe for good reason, but they're getting pressure to get rid of the tape. They're worried about dedupe appliances, getting out of control and being too expensive. They got others telling them just use snapshots and create data protection as a service. What's your best advice to IT pros that are confused? Yeah. So I guess the best advice I would say is that the data protection spectrum does not have to be a complicated set of autonomous components. There's a lot of great software solutions out there that do let you do replication plus snapshot management plus backup in a single UI to a single data store from a single administrator's point of view. The problem is a lot of people actually don't wake that up. The storage guy wants to do his own backups and the compliance guy wants to do his own archives. And if they just woke up and realized that we have a software solution with a single UI that all three of them could use to a storage silo they can all three benefit from, all of a sudden it doesn't have to be that hard. I would also say that every solution should be considering the cloud as part of it, just not pure cloud. It should always go first to disk on-premise and then go to the cloud as that tertiary tier. And when you start to do that all of a sudden new options start to come in that. In fact, when ESG looked at what was going to be the primary use cases of cloud for the next couple of years data protection was the number one cited plan use case and disaster recovery was number three, test dev was number two. So it's not the production workloads, it's the other stuff that you know you need to do and cloud gives them a new way to do it cheaper. So I said last question, but I have another one. Data protection as a service, reality in the next year or so or is it going to take longer? So I like data protection as a service. The one thing I would tell you is why Baz when you can dress? What do you mean by that? So backup as a service just means the files go to that other site, right? Dress is where I'm taking whole VMs and I'm moving those VMs into the cloud and then if I need to recover I can spin those VMs up, right? DR as a service. And interestingly enough, most of the plumbing that makes DR as a service happen, most of that plumbing is actually built on backup as a service functionality. So you get all the benefits of backup as a service and you get DR to a secondary location. It really is taking transcending backup as a service into data protection overall. Exactly. Great. Any, let's see, blogs that people should go to, where do they get more information? So follow me on Twitter, JBuff, J-B-U-F-F and my primary blog is technicaloptimist.com. All right, Jason Buffington from ESG. Thanks very much. Always a great guest. Really appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having me. All right, everybody. Keep it right there. I'll be back with John Furrier right after this. We're live from the MGM in Las Vegas. This is Paul, so this is theCUBE.


Okay, good morning, boys and girls. I hope everything is good in your life as it is in mine, other people in the world not having such a good time, but this is the time of the year that we want to be helping them. Big day today in stocks, folks, and I'll tell you why. Most of the markets, again, are sharply lower with the exception of gold, which is just about unchanged, and also the meat market is up a little bit, mainly because of the holiday season. More people eat meat than any other time of the year. But the main thing that's happened here is that we have given back all of the gains that we made between Thursday and Friday when we had those tremendous updates in the stock market when Chairman Powell said that everything was copacetic and just looking great. And now the copacetic is not looking that great. We're down quite a bit today. We're down over 125 handles now in the S&P, trading down there around $39.45. And I'll be covering that on my show where I think it is going to go. But some big things are happening. The currencies are still weakening. Euro is still dropping. The British pound is still dropping. And the Treasury bonds, believe it or not, are still trying to rally. Not much, but they still are trying. I don't think it'll last very long. But the big one, of course, today to pay attention to is the crude oil. And the crude oil, you know, we had a big sell signal up there the other day that I was a little bit late on, but it's breaking hard now, folks. And this is really important because it's counter-seasonal.  I know it's a warmer winter than expected. Well, this is not winter yet, folks. Winter doesn't start for two weeks. So this is very, very unusual. So the fact is that the U.S. dollars held those key levels that we pointed out to you yesterday is a big thing. So we're going to have more volatility in 2023 than in any market. Any year that we've had over the last 10 years is my prediction. I think we'll have that much volatility. That means up and down. And that's why pattern recognition can be very, very helpful. So let's keep that in mind as we look at some of these things. So stay tuned. I'll be right back with 24-7. And we'll be having a really good time today with guest is none other than Norm Winsky from Naples, Florida. We'll be right back.