ce process won't win the war but also it won't lead to peace by itself thanks any other comments on that yeah no no let me go I'll follow I think there's I believe there should be another approach to peace process you're right Kat I mean at some point it will not be any money even now the money has shrunk to many many efforts in Afghanistan and that's why the peace initiative that I mentioned at local level I have direct interaction with many of them most of them stop their work even most of them stop working with people with communities and there are less peace initiatives right now at the community level because there is no donor funding anymore so I think the entire peace process in Afghanistan unfortunately has been treated as a project as a donor funded project nor as a process that could rely that could take on without even funding it has developed a strategize based on that particular funding that was available to it so I think that has to be taken out that approach has to be taken out and it's still early it's still at good stages if we take the whole peace process out of this blob of funding international funding scenario that's why local initiative over here work very well because until and unless people will not see that's their process and it's only based on certain amount of fund if they reach they will never cooperate with the process and they will never think about having a genuine role in the processes and at the back of my mind there's always something as an Afghan also that's something really I mean worry me about unless and until Afghanistan is weak both military wise and economic wise as an Afghan I don't really see a prospect of peace I don't see as Barney has mentioned the war the decades of war maybe tomorrow we will not have Taliban we will have another entity fighting so Afghanistan needs I think it should be an element of peace process strengthening economy and strengthening military should be an element and a component of peace process I think this too can lead us to sustainable peace process I mean sustainable means that not a particular dealer or political settlement for timely matter but something that could lay a framework for future for future progress of Afghanistan the basic question you asked is what is the local deal well the thing about the local deal in Afghanistan it's very simple it's we don't kill you you don't kill us that's the essence of the local deal it's an armistice now it may sound very crude and simple but at a time when actually many many have come to question the conflict I mean that is that is the first deal that people need that they that's what that's what we hear from civilian population they desire and those in the Taliban who have sort of moved beyond the stage of in sense the the earnest desire for martyrdom that's what they're concerned about and in terms of design of approaches to the the drivers of conflict having a very simple first move is very attractive if you ask me as to what are the contents of the the settlement in Afghanistan which will deliver sustainable peace I mean it's got lots of chapters we're talking about property rights we're talking about the role of Islam in the constitution we're talking about the reconstitution of the security forces yeah this is an impressive list we heard some references to it earlier on in the first panel but that's going to take an awful long time to reach the confidence which is required to reach agreement on say the 10 chapters required for the broad bay settlement that does not exist it is impossible to achieve it you cannot get the compromise required because people don't trust each other to you know to be a bit flexible on one on the other the chapter which matters for us so that you get the chapter that matters for you so the local deal which is we don't kill you you don't kill us it's incredibly simple it is actually doable and it brings another component to it which can be explicit or implicit which is a re-establishment of relationships an agreement to deal with each other which is required of course the process of building the confidence that you require to work through all those chapters which are involved in the real settlement in Afghanistan and when it comes down to the thinking about timelines and optimism looking around there's some veterans here, I'm looking at Marvin here Marvin can sit here and he can envisage you can think through the four decades of conflict already because you've witnessed every single one of them and I'm so glad to see you here today able to study them offer wisdom to those who do not have that depth of engagement it's realistic that you and I Marvin will live to see a decline in violence I'm not going to bet on either or both of us being around to see the great to hold the golden grail of the sustainable peace settlement but the first bit is important the first bit is important it can turn the trend around it can restore hope it can move people it doesn't give you the sustainable peace but it can give you the peace process so that's the importance of the bottom up it's doable it delivers a dividend it can restore hope it's a situation where there's a real crisis of confidence that anything works a botched international intervention that generated so much hope maybe unrealistic in 2001 it's a source of cynicism when it comes down to 2018 so a bottom up process which delivers on one very simple fundamental thing which brings down violence and the fear that Afghans have of being killed of their children not coming home alive in the evening that's what's required to get a peace process underway can I just say one thing it's not in isolation you need the top level buy-in and we've seen this with various peace deals that have been done in Helmand 2006 and 2010 where locals actually got really good deals between Taliban, local Taliban and local elders and they were sabotaged either by bits of the international military bombing the peacemakers or by very cynical people at provincial and central government level who did not want these deals to happen for sort of petty political reasons so don't underestimate the ability of the big powers whether that's provincial or central government or the international military to actually sabotage bottom up peacemaking and I do think at least I think the situation now in Kabul both on the military and certainly on the military side is much better it's more aware of these things I stick my neck out there are of course people who still think the main name is killing Taliban but generally I'd say you need the top you need the top down support for these otherwise they end up being sabotaged and you end up with increased violence I'm going to get audience next I'll just circle back to your original question which I think was getting at whether as a sort of military strategy you can use the bottom up to get to the top down either by military pressure or by trying to appeal them away to a reintegrative process and I would just say the takeaway I think from all our different contributions on this panel is that maybe that's not the right way to conceive the bottom up either because the military pressure just didn't work at the height of power will it work this territory control like Kate said there's often been inadvertent consequences in terms of that military pressure inadvertently scuppering local peace deals and then also like Kate brought up this attempt to peel off when you don't have this top level trust has been sort of fake reintegrative efforts it hasn't been the actual fighters so I think that is not the way strategy or way to think about it okay let me see a show of hands let me get the lady in the middle then you and then at the end and then we'll go for a second round hi I just want to say real quickly thank you for taking time out of your busy schedules and thank you also for clarifying what this reintegration would look like what the local forces and local Taliban but I feel like that phase is a two part question after we do conclude a peace compromise and if I included U.S. military pulling out how can we secure implementation and security especially if all local factions have a piece of this government or if that is possibly could not allowing all factions into the forces in effect cause another civil crisis in Afghanistan or even worse an election that could be rigged or threatened and I know Mr. Simple did say that we don't kill you and you won't kill us but as you can see history does show that is not always true and there is a lot of Afghan blood on Afghanistan's hands so I was wondering what you think would be the best part of this reintegration Axie can you hand the microphone to one of you Thank you. Unfortunately this may be more of a comment than a question but there is a question in it I have worked in areas where people have agreed that they are not going to kill you and you are not going to kill me then there is no way to support themselves they have no opportunity to work to support their families there has got to be the economic component that allows people to support their livelihood if any piece of this is going to be sustained I don't hear enough of that in this conversation Thanks I promise the gentleman over there if we can get a microphone to him Thank you very much. My name is Mouheb Jabarkhel I was a former Fulbright and now leading Afghans for Afghanistan's development organization I would start with a quote from my father who is a veteran of the anti-Soviet war and he says that in Afghanistan's context peace cannot be brought by force nor by begging it can be forced it can be brought by begging you have to find the root causes address those root causes and then peace will prevail it seems in the Afghan context for a very long time those two things have been happening either it has been forced in or there is a sort of a begin for it that somehow peace will prevail now what are the root causes and what are the root causes I think there are three major things that still does not seem to be targeted first, what Nilofra also mentioned economic under development in Afghanistan Afghanistan economy has become a war economy people will have incentive to grow poppy if there isn't an alternative there has not been any significant focus on a viable alternative economic development that can bring in people second, governance I think the governance structure that is there and overall the way it functions is not effective, it's significantly ineffective even in the elections one party won and we couldn't resolve it the resolution was not to stick to the rules of the game but to create a coalition government that continues to contribute to a very ineffective approach of governance and finally those destructive regional politics regional players play a very significant role in the Afghan quagmire there has not been any approach in dealing with all those three things so my question is do you agree that there has not been a holistic plan to address all those three things economic under development governance issues and of course regional politics thank you let me go down the row and just get reactions to what you'd like economic element which is where my heart goes a lot in peace processes I agree with you I mean yes I don't remember exactly which year but BBC released once a report serving people in Kandahar, Helmand and some other provinces, I don't recall now it was I think in 2004 or five somewhere they had interviewed with people joining Taliban and I remember they recall those interviews most of the interviewees were saying that they were joining Taliban was paying them $300 and government of Afghanistan was paying them $50 as a permanent salary so the economic element that you have highlighted has a lot to do with insurgency in Afghanistan, has a lot to do with Taliban and community people joining Taliban insurgency people don't have food to eat they don't have shelter to live they don't have food for their children so that aspect is specifically yes missing from the peace processes there's a lot of talk about it there's a lot of media around the country from last more than a decade now that really focus on this particular element to prevent people joining Taliban insurgency as my friend over here mentioned a lot as well and yeah there has been a lack of comprehensive plans I mean that could really focus particularly on this economic element and this is not that surprising now I remember in 2002 we have raised at Kabul level group of us have raised this element a lot that Afghanistan needs mega economic project to fight with insurgency and that was an issue with so many of us from civil society from government from education institution we have raised at the palace also that a lot to the international community to USA the State Department we went and we knocked every door most of us under the comprehensive plan of peace because the context is very weak economically and if you don't take care of this issue people will join insurgency very very quickly so yes my answer is there hasn't been a comprehensive plan on this when was the BBC report? I think it was 2004 I don't recall 2004 I think it's wrong if you look at all the academic and non-academic research on why the insurgency started certainly why it started it was to do with predatory government and predatory US special forces and not only singling out Taliban who'd surrendered defeated and gone home but Afghan rivals of Afghan power holders very very very clear that this was to do with people's feelings of injustice no I don't think you can say that's the reason for the insurgency now but that was how it started and certainly 2004 I don't think it was to do with money and if it's to do with money God forbid we are stuck because Afghanistan is a poor country and the recent figures are that most people are getting poorer I think the absolute poverty rates is now 56% of people living in absolute poverty it's gone up we've had lots and lots of money spent on development some people have got very rich but a large number of people have not benefited from the intervention and there's greater inequality so if you know if poverty was what was driving people to fight then we're finished we're finished I think all of the the evidence is that other things at least at least the economy does not work in terms of persuading people to not fight and I think you've seen that repeatedly over the last 17 years I think the war economy is important but it doesn't benefit ordinary people it benefits a few people at the elite level whether it's narcotics or illegal mining that's one thing but it's also contracts in the security ministries ghost soldiers ghost police a couple of things that I think were really telling for me when I was looking at the Ministry of Interior and why that continues not to function properly one of the issues was when you have a little check post in the middle of nowhere the people on it are really really vulnerable to Taliban attack plus it doesn't actually protect people and it doesn't protect territory so from a military point of view it doesn't work and it puts the people on the check post at greater risk so Resolute Support noticed this they noticed the really high casualty rates of soldiers and police on these little check posts and said we need to have a different way of trying to protect territory and it's better if you have mobile units and they had pushed back from some of the Governors and some of the Generals who were pocketing money from people on check posts extorting money from travellers and the money goes up the chain so you have the people in leadership positions who would rather that their people were vulnerable to Taliban attack than their income source and this is the sort of I mean I think this is the sort of economic issues that we should be looking at it's not that it's poverty poverty is not the driver of the insurgency per se but it's the way that people can make money out of the war and in ways that don't actually affect them and just one quickly one thing quickly that Ashraf Ghani said before the election which I think is really true is that it's poor people who pay for this war it's poor people who join up they haven't got other advantages but they're not the people who benefit and he was talking about the ANSF they're not the people that benefit and the people that benefit aren't really suffering so let me get quick reactions from the other two panelists and then thanks to the benefits of a very smooth transportation system the Ambassador has joined us so I want to give him 10 minutes at the end I'll see my time to Michael and the Ambassador just for short Yes on the issue of livelihoods and the conflict Kate presented very codently that's that's how it is this was driven primarily by justice concerns but then of course there is a conflict economy which has taken hold over the or it has developed over the 18 years of the current phase of the conflict I absolutely agree that livelihoods would be fundamental in moving towards a sustainable peace while also remembering Kate's appropriate warnings that just throwing money at any promising local initiative is likely to poison it at source so you have to get a balance there now part of that balance is that the big picture is that we've moved beyond this idea of somehow a messy insurgency and a formal system of government which is being rebelled against Afghanistan is now in a system which is basically a state of dualism whereby as far as as far as the lived reality of many people in the country they're living the reality of the Taliban's Islamic Emirates, they didn't choose it that's just the reality that they experience maybe many people because in Afghanistan as a country where people move around people have relationships over long distances in a sense they experience both the Taliban's Islamic Emirates system and the system of Kabul Government and they have to sort of to navigate the two now if you're talking about prospects of economic development having two competing authorities with a claim over people and territory makes it really difficult to proceed with economic development and to take advantage of all the opportunities to which there are there inside Afghanistan you're talking about overcoming the dualism when I talked about the second part of the deal for bottom-up initiatives beyond you don't kill us, we don't kill you is a restoration of initiatives opening opportunities whereby that dualism is sort of broken down so you're increasing opportunity for trade and investment and service delivery basically that's got to be the hope of course there has to be a dividend it's the more that it's possible to generate this kind of sense of organic dividend the economy works more to the benefit of the citizens that's likely to be a more durable one and one which is catching than just adding a few incentive payments for fake former Taliban however there is an important incentive incentive system here that the choice for senior members of Taliban in going along with the peace process is actually going to be part of in a sense which patronage system that they're involved in because being a Taliban commander for many of them is not about being the radicalized individual who is dedicated his life at the price of being prepared to go to heaven more quickly than the rest of us it's about being a key figure in a patronage system where he has relationships with people from other families in his area who entrust their young men to him on the basis that they will look after him so that you basically he in a in the local peace deal you have to give him access to some of that patronage without killing people you know what he becomes more of an uncle than a commander so the deal so you have to have you have to redirect the patronage system pro-peace and you create opportunities for overcoming the current dualism then local peace deals can help build the basis of a sustainable peace Scott just to add one point briefly in terms of economic lens I think I was not clear I didn't mean to say that poverty is the only driver of conflict in Afghanistan but I would again want to stress that poverty is one of the major components of drivers of conflict and if the government has had to be considered from the beginning under the plan of peace and reconciliation I think some of the problems that we can see right now and people and community joining at local level I think that could resolve some of those problems but I never said that's the only the only drivers of conflict with apologies to those that still had questions I want to end this panel with closing remarks from the ambassador who I will introduce in a minute but first let me ask for a round of applause and thank you to all of our panelists and then as our speakers leave the stage and I'll invite you to head over to the left let me welcome ambassador Hamdullah Mahib who's the Afghan ambassador to the US he's served in that role very capably for the last several years through presidential transition here and this is a strategy that has seen sustained US support both civilian and military for the Afghan government which I think as we've heard here earlier today is badly needed and it's a strong partnership that certainly we on the stage hope that endures we've heard today I think a lot of challenges for the peace process and for the nationalism that there are new things happening Ambassador earlier there were remarks about the two offers that the President Ghani has made both at the Kabul process and then also today announcing a unilateral ceasefire and so there are discussions of peace there perhaps opportunities although it won't come easily and so with that as the stage let me invite you up here to take a look at the remarks Good afternoon I think one of the advantages of arriving late in not having heard all the remarks means that I will stick to my script so colleagues in distinguished guests thank you all for being here today to Nancy, Andrew, Scott, Johnny and all of our friends at USIP thank you for hosting today's event thank you also to all the panelists I would also like to thank Stephen Hadley who is a dear friend of Afghanistan USIP is one of the most important places in Washington to have a public discussion about peace in Afghanistan so I thank you for your commitment to this issue I would like to close today's event by expanding on two areas of a complex and multi-layered concept of peace first what achieving a sustainable peace in Afghanistan entails and second what the Afghan Government put on the table and what we are doing to pursue peace sustainable peace will not be delivered in a negotiations on and a political settlement with the Taliban alone a political settlement is but one part of a complicated and layered process of achieving sustainable peace what matters equally is the peace building work that precedes a peace deal and the maintenance works that follows it is dealing with multiple issues which have manifested over the decades as a legacy of violence warlordism impunity corruption injustice insurgency international terrorism a drug mafia that continues to respond to a growing global demand all this and we are still a very young democracy grappling with providing services to our people ensuring the integrity of democracy and building our institutions with this context there are six core building blocks which must be considered in peace building process one we must focus on those reconcilable Afghan elements of the Taliban who have legitimate grievances this is our target audience for a peace deal we must address the legitimate grievances of those Afghans who have taken up arms against their government we must answer those difficult questions logistical, practical and emotional of how a nation forgives how an insurgent is reintegrated in what drove him to the gun in the first place to make sure he is not driven to the gun again the government's successful deal with Hizbi Islami over a year ago gives us experience on how to structure a deal in what questions need to be addressed two we must create a regional consensus on peace, stability and economic growth the region can either be divided by conflict or united by shared economic benefit there is a regional component to the conflict playing in Afghanistan which the United States administration and the Afghan government are both taking very seriously so this element cannot be overlooked three we will maintain political stability in democratic integrity through elections which will hold in October and again in 2019 this is not easy to do in the current security situation but we will and we must the Afghan people are proud of their right to vote and they are risking their lives to claim that right by casting a vote we as a nation are marking our commitment to democracy so that peace will be maintained through the ballot not bullet four the government with the support from the international community must continue to earnestly and diligently implement President Ghani's rigorous comprehensive reform agenda which is articulated in Afghanistan's national peace and development framework we will present our progress on reforms and emphasize their centrality in Geneva Ministerial Conference in November through reforms we are improving governance excuse me through reforms we are improving governance, rule of law and service delivery thus rebuilding the bruised and battered social contract between the Afghan government and the Afghan people the goal is to reform institutions to serve the Afghan people to create citizens focused governance and trust building I'd like to thank your colleague here Bill Byrd for being one of the only analysts in Washington or anywhere to scrutinize some of the those very important reforms they are critical part of sustaining peace I want to emphasize rule of law justice and anti-corruption here which are hugely underestimated components of peace society and warlordism come from a legacy of violence that may, that my generation is grappling with there are groups of individuals who have gotten very wealthy from this war and continue to there are warlords and strongmen who continue to terrorize the Afghan people and perpetuate a culture of impunity and corruption such criminals also include the drug mafia who perpetuate the conflict and corruption the drug trade and the transnational the transnational criminal networks are responding to a global demand and thus the issue requires a global response we cannot overlook these issues it's not easy and it takes time to bring systematic and sustainable changes but we are seeing progress already from the government's anti-corruption and justice sector reforms efforts and we are pushing forward with support from the international community in short we must confront impunity terror violence in all its forms 5. we must continue to build the afghan national defense and security forces to ensure strong defense of citizens and our nation we will continue to pursue a military campaign against those combatants who simply are not reconcilable and have no place in afghan society or politics with aish al qaeda elements and other foreign fighters 6. we must create economic opportunities especially for those marginalized including youth women and those living in poverty you've seen the numbers and we just spoke about it a few minutes ago almost half of children in afghanistan remain out of school because of conflict and the number of those living in poverty increased since 2012 we will continue to invest in our people's welfare with education healthcare and economic prospects so that any peace deal will reach that we reach will not be in jeopardy these are the essential elements and the government is proceeding on each front simultaneously in terms of a peace deal what we have the afghan government and people put on the table earlier this week the heist peace council convened a gathering of over 3000 islamic scholars from across afghanistan they issued a fatwa against suicide attacks and terrorism and called for a ceasefire today president ghani showed the government strong support for that unprecedented fatwa by ordering a ceasefire against the afghan taliban from the 27th of ramadan until the fifth day of edil fitr we will continue against daish al-qaeda in all other transnational terrorist groups the ayn dsf will take action if attacked and will continue to protect civilians however we will not target afghan taliban during the ceasefire president ghani's decision to declare ceasefire is rooted in the government's firm commitment to peace and is an act of support for the fatwa issued by the olama this follows president ghani's unconditional offer of peace to the taliban at the kabel process conference in february this year there is now a national and also international consensus for peace in may indonesia hosted a conference of islamic scholars from afghanistan pakistan and indonesia in support of the afghan peace process similar gatherings will follow to maintain the momentum gathered by the international community in working for peace the afghan people are also absolutely fed up with being caught in the ceasefire i am 34 years old and i have never seen a day of peace in my country in my entire life my generation is absolutely fed up with this and we are deeply invested in peace it unites us peaceful civilian protests in cities around the country have emerged from helman kandahar, nangarhar, herat and kabel a group of young men marching to kabel one of them on crutches from helman to kabel to protest violence will reach the capital city in the next few weeks they will be warmly welcomed by young peace activists and all citizens of kabel city afghans want peace in my generation are taking risks to stand for it these afghans in our security forces are our heroes and we must say what has the taliban put on the table further death and destruction since january they have pursued a brutal new strategy of directly targeting civilians in crowded urban spaces killing hundreds of innocent afghans shortly after the afghan olama issued a fatwa against terrorism this week they were attacked taliban have attacked hospitals schools children sport games, civil society organizations media and journalists and citizens registering to vote moving forward we must stay the course of building our security forces in maintaining pressure on the taliban while we keep the door open for peace talks at the same time we must continue to earnestly implement our reforms agenda to deal head on with corruption in our government to deliver services and to offer economic opportunities we must repair the social contract between the afghan people and the government peace building is an interconnected process that is at once urgent yet at the same time complex and multi-layered if we ignore any part of this puzzle we risk compromising its legitimacy and sustainability we are looking now to other countries that have dealt with same issues such as columbia i'll also take this opportunity to make a request to my distinguished colleagues here today your knowledge on afghanistan is perhaps unrivaled in the united states so please use your expertise to also examine and think about these building blocks of peace and continue to contribute in a constructive way to the afghan-led peace building efforts i thank you all once again for your contribution to this important issue and usip for organising this in many other conferences in support of the afghan-led peace initiative thank you very much thank you very much ambassador mohib for those very powerful closing remarks i was sitting there thinking we should have probably named this thing a long discussion about the long search for peace in afghanistan so thank you all very much for sticking with us bearing with us today for this important discussion again a special thanks to lisa kurtis for joining us this morning taking time out of her busy schedule and for ambassador mohib for coming here straight from the airport thanks to our panelists very much for your very interesting and important remarks certainly highlighting many of the challenges but also talking about some of the prospects for peace moving forward i'd like to thank all of you and those who joined us online and leave you again with usip's tagline that peace is possible again let's not be so skeptical about the challenges that we forget so thank you once again for joining us today


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Welcome to Dare to Dream. I'm Debbie Daschinger. It's a pleasure to be here with you and I have a guest who's coming back today and Boy, do I have a lot to share From when he was on the first time which frankly was not that long ago I think was last year to today So I'll get into more of that later And I also want to thank Dr. Dean here and access consciousness for sponsoring this show Thank you for believing in Dare to Dream all these many years and for the great work that you do out into the world If you want to learn more about the workshops that they offer and the Facilitations, but a dr. Dane here h e e r comm as well as access consciousness at comm and they have world-wide classes So today I've got dr. Bradley Nelson first of all his book Which is bigger better and better than ever has just been re-released It is magnificent and some of the work We're going to be talking about today can actually be found in here where you can learn to start doing this yourself well worth it the emotion code and Have you ever thought about how much your emotions influence your health? My guest today dr. Bradley Nelson is one of the world's foremost experts in the emerging fields of bio energetic Medicine and energy psychology through his 20-plus years as a holistic position He developed the emotion code a system for releasing the trapped emotions that block mental and physical Healing you can learn more about his great work at the emotion code comm and I welcome you back to the show dr. Brad Thanks, Debbie. It's really great to be back. Yeah, it's great to have you back and Let's start so people who are I think like how can they not be familiar with you? But if they are not yet, then awesome You're the right show at the right time at the right place to meet him I think it a great time on this planet so you say that emotions are the underlying cause of Most physiological Psychological disease. Can you break that down for us? How does that work? How does it correlate? Absolutely Well, during all the years that I was in practice. I was I was really obsessed with getting to the bottom of what was wrong with my Patience, right? I figured that was my job now Because I was practicing as a chiropractor a holistic chiropractic physician really I was open to looking at anything But I didn't have a license to prescribe drugs for people to suppress their symptoms I didn't have a license to do surgery on people So I was left with this dilemma of actually having to figure out what was really wrong with them What was what really were the underlying causes of their problem? Whatever it was whether it was mental emotional or physical and what I found was that We all have emotional baggage and my patients no matter how old or young they were no matter what they were suffering from They all had this in common that their emotional baggage was a common denominator for all of their symptoms and so As time went on I realized more and more it became more and more clear to me What a devastating effect our emotional baggage has on us and understand what emotional baggage is you have to realize that these bodies that we're living in Seem solid and three-dimensional to us But the reality is if you look at your hand for example under a big enough microscope and you keep zooming in and zooming in eventually you come face-to-face with an individual atom and If you look inside the atom you see there's really nothing in there, but empty space Fact listen to this recently. Yeah, just few weeks ago. I read that scientists now have Physicists really have decided They to try to help everybody understand how our bodies are really made of energy They said that if you took out all the empty space inside of our bodies You could fit all of humanity into a space the size of a sugar cube Imagine So we really are beings of energy and so what happens is when you're feeling an intense emotion Like you're feeling an intense emotion of anger or resentment or frustration or grief or sadness Whatever it is if that emotion is powerful enough the energy of that emotion can Remain behind or get stuck in the body. We call these trapped emotions So when the bully moves away or the divorce is finalized or you quit that terrible job and get a better job Or you get out of the abusive relationship whatever it is You may think that all those emotions that you felt were so powerful in the past are gone And that you've moved ahead and you're in the future now and the reality of it is we carry that stuff with us and When we talk about emotional baggage We're talking about something that is very very real But that Most of us really have have had no conception of But it is real our emotional baggage is real So a trapped emotion is literally a ball of a ball of whatever emotion it might be that's about the size of a baseball about the size of a softball and Attractive motion is literally if you can imagine it's a ball of emotional energy So in other words, you can have a ball of anger in your body or a ball of resentment or sadness or grief or Depression whatever it might be and the problem is these trapped emotions. It's emotional baggage will really cause two things They have two effects on us. They affect us physically because when you have a trapped emotion It creates this distorting it has this distorting effect on the energy field in your body So then on a continual basis wherever that emotion is lodged and these can land anywhere They will continually distort the energy field and because that's all our bodies are is an energy field When you have that experience that that Distorting effect long-term it interferes with all the chemical reactions going on in that area of tissue It interferes with blood flow and lymph flow to some degree it interferes with the flow of energy in that area and so eventually this is the reason see why so many people have some kind of physical pain or discomfort and The underlying reason is emotional 90% of all the physical discomfort that people have is actually due to Their emotional baggage, which is a crazy thing, but this is what we're saying all over the world so the other effect that these emotions have on us is that They tend to make you feel that emotion more readily more easily than you otherwise would So for example, if you have a trapped emotion of depression in your body from about with depression that you went through maybe 10 23 40 years ago, you're more likely to be You're more likely to fall into that emotion and to feel that and become depressed now Then you otherwise would be because literally part of your body is feeling that emotional vibration 24 7 so that's how these things work and The emotion code is so simple Sorry, that was my phone thinking I was talking to it Siri is very intelligent Too intelligent anyway the emotion code is just this super easy super fast super simple way finding this emotional baggage that we have and getting rid of it and Because our emotional baggage causes such Such a varied and oftentimes such dramatic effects in how we feel and function and and create our lives and Because people can find this baggage and get rid of it themselves and then they experience the changes that happen That's why this work is is continuing to explode all over the world see because the cat is out of the bag So to speak. Yeah, meow So I want to know here. You are a chiropractor you Make this proclamation even if it's internal to say I'm open I really want to get to the bottom of what's going on and why it looks like this in the outside and You receive this information Is this a download is this a channeling because now that I understand your work and I'm on this side of it I think it's profound and to make an inquiry like that on whatever Spiritual level and then receive that kind of information that can Facilitate this degree of change for us out here. What is that? Like how did that come about? Well, you know when I was in practice I was learning everything that I could from anybody that I could from ancient texts on healing I was Really obsessed with trying to help my patients and I was wide open I was radically open to anything that might help them so I learned everything that I could and I was also in the habit of of just taking a moment and asking for help from up above I I know that We are not alone here that there are divine purposes to our lives we have a father above who loves us and cares about us and wants us to succeed and And I learned that early in my life and so before I would go to work on somebody I had this habit during all those years where I would just take a moment and Just connect and ask God to help me with that person and so And there were times Debbie during those years when I definitely received Really powerful downloads especially when people typically it would be somebody would come in to see me and I didn't know how to approach their problem and I would offer this silent prayer and nobody ever knew that I was Prank for them. It was a totally private momentary pause, you know, just a personal thing But in response to that asking there were times when I would just receive this this avalanche of Understanding, you know, it's just an incredible thing. I didn't have them very often, you know Probably probably I could count all those times on one hand over 20 years basically But the rest of the time It I was finding out what worked and what didn't and there were little whispers that would come to me You know, usually when we see when we're asking for help from up above the guidance usually doesn't come in an avalanche it usually just comes in thoughts or Impressions or ideas that we have that we tend to think are just our own But they're really coming from outside from that that higher source So that's really where it came from it was a matter of putting the puzzle pieces together and working with people day in and day out for many many years and But I eventually came to realize okay, this is this isn't just for me this has to really go to the whole world see and the beauty of it is that anybody can learn how to do it and If you want to have somebody else do it you can I mean we have over 5,000 certified emotion code practitioners now in 77 countries around the world We could start our own you and I think practically But you know you can also do it on yourself And so you don't have to you don't have to spend money to have somebody else do it But you can if you want If you do work on somebody does it also change you even though you're facilitating them? well, you know the fascinating thing about about going into this work and becoming a I hesitate to use the word healer because it's so it's loaded with so many connotations for so many people But really that's what you're doing is you're learning how to To help other people in these natural ways you're becoming an energy healer really when you learn how to do the emotion code And it's the simplest path to becoming an energy healer and the fascinating thing about it is and this is pretty much universal everybody that I've ever talked to What happens is as you're healing other people you are healing yourself you really are so there is that There's that that effect that happens to you Whereas you're working with other people and there's really nothing more addictive in a good way Than helping other people and seeing the positive changes take place for them. I mean it is just it's such great food for your soul It's so satisfying you sleep so well at night because you know that you're doing something in the world That's making a difference in the world. It's really fun.  I thought my god this book is genius It's story after story that has become a page turner and how do you write a self-help how-to book? That's a page turner not easy and very rare So from that standpoint, I was very impressed with you and when you came on the show Dr. Nelson I was in a rare way very just compelled to understand more So after our interview a year ago year and a half ago Trying to think exactly when it was But I think was early 2018. So it was yet at least a year and a half ago. I Reached out to your team and said I want to do this work I want to understand it Can I do a session and I went on your website where you sign up and all of that and I worked with somebody so I'm going to really pull back the curtain so people understand what's possible and The woman I was working was said great. What would you like to deal with and I said I have the most Terrible and bizarre thing happening. I am having panic attacks when I drive I cannot get on a freeway and I live in Los Angeles client and Palm Springs two three hours and Beyond I did the experience of going those two three hours so knotted up driving 30 miles an hour on a 65 mile freeway because I really I thought I was going to die the whole time Got to the point where I had to tell friends. I'm taking side streets the entire way to your house That's all that's the best I can do and even that wasn't fun. Now. I know enough to understand That in February 2017.  Well very unexpected and quite traumatic. I Understood that I've been driving perfectly all my life and then however many months later boom this Manifestation of panic attacks got it, but I was powerless So the woman worked on me for 20 minutes. I mean I'm sitting here in my place And she's asking questions doesn't need anything for me. My being somehow is communicating She's zeroing out things on her end and Discreating and really has a lot of clarity about some of these issues and When we were done she was kind enough to check back in with me a week later, and I said this is crazy I'm driving And I want to say that so I went from complete utter panic to Functional and then I said okay now I'm functional, but I actually want to be like back Completely. She's a great. Let's do another session one more 20-minute session It changed my life never had an issue again and Have been so enamored with your work and what you've put out into the world I work with one of your facilitators on a regular basis now About a number of things and I send my clients To your facilitators When they get to a point where there's something they're dealing with that's just it's too big It's just too big a blockage. I'm like great. I know exactly where to send you're gonna love it It's easy. There's not much you have to do. You don't have to talk for nine years It's gone like that. So like thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for creating this Well, you're so welcome. I just feel that I'm on this mission. I feel like everything that's happened to me all my experiences in my life Sorry about that. I thought that was Shut down. There we go. But I feel like all the experiences of my life have prepared me to bring this work into the world And so it's really not about me I'm just the messenger. I was just chosen to bring it into the world, but it's not about me It's about it's about everybody else. It's about the whole planet and I just work here. I'm just the guy that You're the conduit Well, I want to ask you because I thought this was a really cool way up when we started the book started reading your new book your new revised Edition of this book that it starts out by saying that Tony Robbins and and his wife sage have Become aware of your work that there are people in their circle who keep saying wow Dr. Bradley Nelson the emotion code the body code there is doing great things and they become so intrigued they reach out to you and 24 hours later You're at the their house So clearly this was a tremendous experience for both of you can you share a little bit about that? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I was in a I was in a business meeting in Salt Lake City with my wife and And all of a sudden I started getting these texts from our publicist who said that Tony was trying to get ahold of us And I'd never met Tony, but you know 30 years ago my wife and I were pretty much broke I'd just gotten out of school and We didn't know what we were going to do and one night. We're sitting up in our Pajamas watching late-night TV and we saw this infomercial from Tony And so we spent $99 and bought his program and it was a cassette tape program that you did for 30 days And we did it we listened to all the cassettes did all the exercises and within 60 days We were in our own home and we were renting before and we were in our own practice and We were working for somebody else before it was just this an incredible shift that happened within two months And it didn't that we didn't have to put a dollar out of pocket to do it It was really an incredible thing. And so Tony has been He didn't know it, but he's been really one of my mentors And someone that I great have always greatly admired And so it was an incredible thing really to be able to go and they flew us out all the way to Florida Palm Beach where they live the next day and we were able to go in and work with him and Work on everybody that was there and we had a just a great experience and a lot of people don't know You know, he's been he's been having some of these issues You know lately with Buzzfeed and so on and I I just have a lot of respect for Tony And I you know, I appreciate what he's been going through lately, but I think that My own Perspective on that is that he's doing an incredible amount of good in the world He's you know feeding a million people a year and he's changed so many lives that I Think that when you're not trying to make a big difference in the world in positive ways There's always gonna be you know some resistance to that But yeah, that's an amazing thing and so so there you are with him of facilitating him Of course, I know we won't learn about that because that's very private But he's so taken with your work that he writes the forward. Yeah Yeah, it was an amazing thing what happened was His wife had this impression that After it was kind of hearing about the book the book had been floating around their house a little bit because one of the people who lives With them actually had the book and so she'd heard about it a few times and then Then she heard about it Someone was telling her about it that she needed to read it and she just had this really powerful impression that that we were supposed to meet them and so So that's when they contacted us and so Yeah, we're good friends with them now and they They're really just amazing people really really incredible people an amazing couple so it's been fun We've been to their house quite a number of times and It's funny because it's kind of like we're on we're on sort of these parallel missions You know in a way because we're trying like they are We're trying to help people to maximize their lives and and so are they we're coming at it from different but complimentary Points of view so yeah, it's been it's been a really fun relationship Amazing. It seems almost prophetic that 30 years ago. You'd watch him on TV and be Motivated to use his work. It changes your life And it's like what goes around comes around and not only do you end up helping him, but you're in that circle Influencer to influencer and I just think that's amazing how that works in this world Well, it was definitely a god thing. I believe It was it was really an orchestrated thing. I mean we had never we had never dreamed of reaching out You know Tony or his wife or their team? It was just one of those things that and on the plane on the way home You know they flew us out the next day and on the plane on the way home My wife and I remember we were just looking at each other. Just thinking that that really happened. I mean Yeah, well good, I hope you don't have to pinch yourself too much anymore because it's still happening You're listening to dare to dream radio podcast YouTube. 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I want to come back to a little bit of what I was saying and into the idea that 90% of our thoughts Can generate a trapped emotion if we're not careful and I'm just to fast forward the homage I was sharing earlier That when I started working with your facilitator, I also want to give her a little kudos resell you Who is brilliant? resell and I Purposefully began working on love because I was so Wacked What had happened? I was clear like Not on not on my Madam not on my turf was any energy gonna come in and so I worked with her and Really for not that long. I don't know a couple of months And then at some point I felt ready to date and I felt so sure This is gonna take a couple of years. I'll go have fun. I Want to have four times with four different. Yeah, I'm still with him So for a date and they were all very pleasant by the way They're all lovely and I felt very confident and I really felt Connected and open and I was just gonna fun and date, but I met somebody amazing and I Didn't expect that so I want to say also to heal the heart I know you do heart walls and things like that and to really open one's being to the full Possibilities of life. It's not just about ending a trauma, but it's also about blossoming to something magnificent Oh, it's so true. We have such such great such unlimited potential as human beings But what happens is our emotional baggage weighs us down and you can think of everybody that you know as Kind of symbolically dragging these suitcases behind them full of all kinds of rocks and the rocks are from their relationships and their abuse and all kinds of things they've been through and some of those suitcases have Rocks in them that are the emotional baggage from their ancestors and so we're dragging all of this through our lives and We wonder why it's so hard for us to speed up or make progress or ascend or find the right you know find our soulmate or create the life we want and it's because of that emotional baggage and it's really such a simple thing and You know I've taught seminars all over the world and about every other seminar somebody will come up to me And I'll say this just seems too simple And my my response is well I can make it more difficult for you if you'd like, but it actually is really really simple Right 100% guarantee So yes, that's right, you know the It's not just about our physical symptoms It's not just about things like depression and anxiety and phobias and panic attacks and PTSD and eating disorders and so on it's also about Creating that perfect blueprint that is in the heart of each one of us Manifesting that because you know, I really believe that each one of us has this best destiny This this blueprint that lies within the heart of each one of us That is what our life can really be and the beautiful thing about getting rid of this emotional baggage is that It's like at a certain point when you get rid of enough of that baggage It's like it's like stepping out of this old suit that you've been walking around in and you step out into this new state of being that is who you really are supposed to be who you started out as long ago and We end up we're all burdened by all the baggage that we have but getting rid of it I mean the most incredible things people tell us the most amazing things like For the first time when that baggage is removed they can feel God's love They can feel the connection to the higher power People feel love. I was reading recently a woman in her 80s who had never had a happy moment in her whole life And said that now suddenly with enough of this baggage and especially the heart wall removed She's feeling this emotion that she's never felt before and she realizes that emotion is joy I mean you see that's what's driving this there's no stopping this It's it's going all over the world really rapidly because this is true You see we're not making this up. We're not we're not paying people to send us all these thousands of testimonials this stuff's real and So it's a beautiful thing and I have to pinch myself all the time that I'm even involved in this how I got picked for this I have no idea. It was probably a mistake Yeah, they made a good mistake, thank you so much So emotion code I want to give people an experience of this work So they can understand this early what this is about and you and I agreed before we started that we would do this I thought that the one subject that everybody can relate to is abundance, right? Use there's so many ways that can be manifest out into the world So I'd love to do some work with you on abundance and everybody can have an experience and also Open themselves up to receiving whatever is possible here, too Okay, absolutely. Well, um, so first of all, let me uh, let me explain how this has done in the distance because for most of us um, we're used to Having to be in certain places to have certain things done, but basically We're all connected energetically I mean if you're sitting on the beach and you're looking out to the ocean and you're you're looking at different islands They seem totally separated, but if you were to drain the water out of the ocean see oh, I see those islands Or they're all really connected and that's how we are too So the human body has this incredible ability built right into it to set aside its own needs to act on behalf of someone else and we call that working by proxy and uh, so The way I like to do this and what we recommend for people is if you're going to do this take a moment and ask for some Help from that higher power or whatever you believe. Okay, so we'll do that just for a moment here all right, and then what we do is uh, we use a little bit of muscle testing and We get answers from the subconscious mind So the method i'm going to be using today is called the ring and ring method so what i'm doing is i'm making a ring inside of a ring, okay, and uh My body as I ask questions my body will be stronger on yes, and it'll be weaker on no So when you see my fingers break like this, that's a no answer if they stay together. That's a yes Okay, and so um, the first thing I want to know is are we connected energetically so that I can ask questions and get answers And I get a yes answer there, so we call this working by proxy So the first thing that I want to know is and in fact, let me just grab a little piece of paper here I can feel you already by the way like whoof Okay, this is fun stuff. So um, so here we go let's ask um Since we're connected energetically what I'm doing now is I'm asking questions I'm getting answers on your subconscious mind your subconscious mind will manifest those answers back to my subconscious My subconscious then will manifest the answers as either strength for yes or weak for no. That's how it works It's very high tech but Really simple. So here we go. Let's ask um Uh, first of all, let's ask this question.  And the answer I get is yes, but let's ask let's come at this from some other angles because we might be able to uncover something So let's ask are you okay with other people? Um Knowing that you have total and complete abundance. I get a yes. Are you okay with having lots of money? Yes Are you okay with spending lots of money? Yes. Are you okay with hanging on to lots of money? No So you're okay to have it, but you're not okay to hang on to it So this is the kind of and I don't know if this is true for you But what will happen is for lots of people if your subconscious mind is not okay with you Having money and keeping it and so on Then you may tend to go through these cycles where you'll create abundance But then your subconscious mind will sabotage it and then you'll have to recreate it again and over and over That makes sense Exactly So yeah, I've seen that a lot. So um pretty common So you're not okay with keeping that abundance. Okay, uh maintaining that so Let's go now to the emotion code chart and um If you go to google you can just do a search for emotion code chart There's lots of these out there. It looks like this You can see a little bit hard to see there, but there are two columns vertically and six rows horizontally and There are 60 emotions in this chart So what i'm going to do here, um, remember i'm connected to your subconscious mind I have no idea, but let's ask is there a trapped emotion that is uh, that is That's causing this imbalance that's preventing you from really being okay Consciously to keep that abundance that you've created and the answer is yes So now we look at the chart and we ask okay What emotion is this is it in column a or column b and your subconscious mind knows and so is it in column a? I get a no so we've eliminated half the chart We know it's in column b There's 30 emotions left Is it in one of the odd rows in column b in either one three or five and the answer there is yes We've eliminated all the even rows We know it's in an odd row row one or three or five in column b Is it in row one in column b? That's a no we have 10 emotions left Is it in row three in column b? No, it's in row five in column b So row five column b so we have these emotions. I'll see if I can get this up on the screen My camera doesn't seem to be focusing very well, but the emotions are conflict creative insecurity Terror unsupported and wishy washy. So let's see what it shows up Your subconscious mind is guiding me here. So it's really simple. Is the emotion conflict? No Is it creative insecurity? No Is it terror? No unsupported? No. Is it wishy washy? No, so they're all weak. There were five emotions in that cell, but they're all weak, which means This is what we call an inherited trapped emotion Now we inherit emotional energy from mom or dad at the moment of conception and they might have They may have gotten into conception from their mom or dad and so on So let's see what this is. Let's ask is this an inherited trapped emotion. I get a yes So is it is it inherited conflict? No. Is it inherited creative insecurity? No Is it inherited terror? It's an inherited emotion of terror Oh the plot thickens. Let's see So what'd you get this when you were conceived? That's when you get these inherited emotions. Did you get this at conception from your mom? No, it came from your dad. Okay. Oh my gosh You make some notes here now your dad got this Did he get this from somebody earlier? He did. Did he get it from his dad? No, he got it from his mom So did she get it from somebody earlier yet from mom from dad? Okay, so we have father mother and then father And does it go back further? How many generations does this go back? Does it go back five generations? We've already got three it goes back five at least does it go back 10? It does go back 10 Does it go back 15? No 14 13 it goes back 13 generations So that's quite a ways. I mean if we say 13 generations times about oh say 25 years for a generation That's 325 years minus 2019 goes back to about 1694 Approximately 1700 we'll say That's a long time ago. Now science is bearing out that uh That yes animals definitely pass down Emotional trauma somehow in fact they found that lower animals will pass emotional trauma Uh or like if something happens that's frightening to them or they have a near-death Experience, I mean if they have something that you know is very frightening or that could be dangerous They'll pass that memory down So that if if a rat that's in a maze has a something terrifying that happens at a certain point in the maze You can take a great great great grandchild Of that rat and at the same point in the maze it'll freeze The same point where great great great grandpa was shocked or terrified it'll stop because it knows somehow Something happened and that's what this is see this is emotional baggage And science is trying to figure out what this is and we're trying to connect with scientists to tell them We know what this is.  This began with a female Around Sometime around 1700 So now not you have to know that not all emotional baggage of course is inherited It just so happens that we're we're finding this one. Uh, we never know what's going to show up Okay, and that's what showed up So um debbie do you have any kids? I don't just a fur baby Okay, uh because the reason I ask is because if you had children it's possible that you might have passed This emotional energy to them now when we talk about cycles of generational violence and abuse or poverty This is one of the big reasons why things perpetuates because that emotional baggage is handed down So I want you to think about this 13 generations ago a grandmother of yours Experienced something that was terrifying Now I would be willing to bet that it probably had something to do with money And this has been passed down from generation to generation in your family line that There's something about money that can be terrifying and so it's best not to have it Or it's best not to keep it because something really really frightening might happen to you. Does this make sense? Yes, sir. It does. Can I say something or yeah, please do My father is a holocaust survivor Mmm, and so My lineage by product has been The jews who have settled into a country been accepted and then turned on because they've prospered And they've had to grab whatever they could and run for their lives to the next country and start all over again over and over at infant item Right. Well, there you go So see It's it's uh very likely Back 1700, you know 1694 whatever year that came up that's accurate within 10 or 20 years But she might have been a victim of a program or who knows right? So, uh, so yes, this is how our emotional baggage can affect us Um from our ancestry now the beautiful thing about this is when we release this energy It will release not only from you, but it will also release from those people. Okay all the way back And so this is one of the things that we find so in fact just just for fun here. I'll ask this Um because this always happens Are these ancestors of yours? That have passed on are they actually there spiritually? Are they here with me? Are they there with you they're there with you and they're there because They also are holding this baggage and um, even though their bodies, you know Have turned to dust in many cases yet their spirits live on and they still have the baggage and so they want to get rid of it So that's why they're there with you. So let's ask you. We need to know anything else about this I get to know So to release an emotion like this what we do is we pass a magnet Over the governing meridian which starts at the tailbone goes over the top of the head to the inside of the upper lip And what i'm going to do is i'm just going to pass this magnet 10 times over this governing meridian And that has the effect of Releasing that baggage In the same way that if you were for example to Take a credit card out of your wallet Okay, if you were to rub a magnet on that magnetic strip it would render the card Ineffective it would you don't have to get a new card It erases the data and that's what this does. We just erase that data Of that emotional energy. So now let's ask did we release that from you and we did That it also released from your father. We did and from his mother And from her father and from all of those 13 generations all the way back Including that grandmother of yours that they started with and the answer there is yes And so are those spirits there? Are they still with you? No, they're not it's really funny because when we find an inherited emotion like this These direct line ancestors will will show up for the release and then as soon as it's released they I don't know. They must be really busy. I don't know what they're doing, but they leave right away so But every few seminars Once in a while, I'll go to a seminar and uh, there will be somebody in the audience who can actually see these spirits And it's always the same thing. They always show up and Anyway, that's uh, neither here nor there, but um, now let's go back and let's ask that same question again okay, are you okay with Keeping that abundance are you okay with having all of you know Lots and lots of money and wealth and are you okay with keeping that and I get a yes now And so see releasing one energy like that what it does is it it can Align the subconscious mind much more to what your conscious mind is thinking see the secret I'll tell you something debbie. I believe that the the future of human development Is in aligning the conscious mind With the subconscious because if your subconscious mind is somewhere over here And it doesn't want what you consciously want Then it's going to be hard to get it or maintain it when you can line up the conscious and the subconscious Then you become unstoppable So there's an example for you of how this works who You know, I'd love to know you know people you can if you're on youtube Obviously you can write comments below and many of the podcast sites the radio not so much But still you can also email And just let me know if you also feel what i'm feeling because it's pretty profound over here I mean the moment dr. Nelson started working with me I immediately felt his energy in my space a very positive feeling by the way very relaxed and sort of puddled And then I felt it with the work and with the magnet Without a doubt big time. I love that analogy about Voiding out your credit card because I've often had the experience of being in a hotel And making the mistake of putting my cell phone too close to the hotel room key And it always zeroes it out get to the hotel room enough to go all the way back down to the lobby So it's I'll be able to use that forever more with the emotion code Completely obliterating all of that and going back to a beautiful neutral and you know, you talk about Underlying causes of disease and that there are six of them. Can you share what those are? Yeah, absolutely Can I share my screen? Do you think for a minute? That would be wonderful. Let's see. Yeah I think I can do that Let's take a look here So during all those years that I was in practice what I found was that There are really six underlying imbalances or six categories of underlying imbalances that cause all of our trouble And those are things like pathogens or little infections that get into the body Viruses bacteria fungal mold problems parasites. There are misalignments any tissue can misalign There are imbalances of nutrition Lifestyle, there's toxicity that can get into the body There are imbalances in the circuitry in the systems of the body There can be imbalances in the energy field and that's where trapped emotions are and that's actually this is a picture of a trapped emotion artist conception anyway So, you know, if you'd like to what we could do is we could maybe do a little more work on you and use this and I can Show you how it works Oh, yeah, that would be fascinating. All right. Awesome. Very well. I just want to say as an aside when I've worked with people It's been so one of his facilitators. It's been so remote I've never seen anyone actually do what you're doing. I've just heard it on the phone. So this is also For me to experience visually Oh, okay, great. Well, this is what we call the body code And what happened how this came about really was during those years that I was in practice working with people I was always trying to figure out what was really wrong with them and uh, and it Because I was able to communicate with the subconscious mind And ask really what the problems the underlying imbalances were that were creating their symptoms I was able to put this together and figure out that there are really six categories Of underlying imbalances. So to give you an idea, for example, this is a This is the body code. We sell it now as a self-study course about a year after the emotion code book The first version came out In 2008 I woke up one morning and my mind was full of instruction And the instruction was you need to take everything that you've learned about natural healing and put it into a self-study course That anyone can learn and make it available to everyone everywhere And that's what this is. So there are I think 867 different nodes in here, but it's a it's a knowledge base. So if we click on something It'll take us to another map And so we can we can dig deeper and deeper into these maps and go into all the different parts of the body and There's really nothing else like it in the world. It's patented and so it enables us to find these imbalances really rapidly And I used this system Exclusively during the last 10 years that I was in practice when most of the people that were coming to see me had been told There was really no hope for them at all No, no cure available in western medicine, etc And yet the vast majority of them were able to get well because I was able to figure out what the underlying reasons really were So in your case Let's just ask We're still connected energetically. Uh-huh. So let's ask Is there is there's some kind of an imbalance going on with you that we can release? and work on And and oftentimes we'll we'll ask about like a symptom or something But we don't need to do that. We can just ask if there's some sort of imbalance happening that we can fix I get a yes answer And so Where is this imbalance now? I have no idea what we're after But your subconscious mind knows with a perfect understanding and it's connected to my subconscious And this is easy anybody can do this. So let's ask, um Where is this imbalance? Is it on the right side of the chart? I get a no So your subconscious mind has something in mind that it's not on the right side Of the chart. It's over here. So is it in the energies area? No Is it something in circuits and systems? I get a yes. So we'll go here And when I click on this one, it opens us up to some other things Shockers glands organs acupuncture system disconnections and then all the systems in the body. What is this? What are we after? Is it on the right side of our chart? No, is it something in the acupuncture system? No It's a disconnection of some kind so When my wife was sick One of the times that I received this really massive download was when my wife was sick with our youngest daughter who now is 19 And she had morning sickness and it was really bad and she was begging me to help her And I was thinking of all the things that you know, we've tried that to help with morning sickness No, those things really work So I I prayed about this and said well father in heaven There's got to be a better way to do this and I got this answer Boom and the answer was well, you'd feel really sick too if there was this new life growing inside of you Especially if your brain wasn't connected to it Oh It's a connection thing that was the answer And so then we've been able to figure out how to fix this. So this is probably not your issue Is is your issue something on the left side? No, so it's on the right side Is it that your spirit is maybe out of your body a little bit that can happen usually from trauma? Um, is it that your spirit in your physical body or disconnected in some way? No So you have what we call a spirit to spirit disconnection Okay, and this is really what we often refer to as a broken heart Okay so What this means is um If you think about this, okay, if you think about your physical body, we've got this physical body we've got a spirit body too and If we were to look at your heart beating in your chest It would probably look like any other woman's heart your age and your you know your height and so on But if we were to look at your spiritual heart It might look broken or damaged in some way. And so let's ask about this Is your heart usually the heart the spirit heart will split into two parts And is that what's going on here? Yes. And has it been split completely apart? No, how connected are they? 50 30 percent 20 percent 25 24 23 22 21 20 so Your heart is split into two parts. It's about 80 split. There's about a 20 connection still now This is the spirit heart, but this can affect your physical heart. We believe okay So is there an underlying reason for this? Yes, okay so what we do is we go back out to the home page And uh, where is this underlying reason? Is it on the right of the left? It's in the energies area And is it on the left side here? Or it's actually something emotional So is this a trapped emotion it is and is the emotion in column a no it's in column b Is it in one of the odd rows? Yes. Is it in row one? No row three no row five. We're back to column b row five Interesting is the emotion conflict. Is it creative insecurity? Is it terror? Is it unsupported? So you have a trapped emotion of unsupported okay Do we need to know more about this? And the answer is no so we'll just release this one But this is this is an energy that got stuck in the heart that is actually Keeping your heart broken basically So just it just takes a few swipes three swipes of the magnet when we're dealing with an emotion that was not inherited So now let's ask Did we release that emotion we did is your spirit heart still broken it is Is there another underlying reason? Yes, is it a trapped emotion? That's usually the Usually what we find with a broken heart is this next emotion listed In column a yes. Is it in one of the odd rows? No. So is it in row two row four? Is the emotion anger? No. Is it bitterness? No guilt? No hatred? No Resentment is it your resentment? Okay. Do we need to know more about this one? We do Um, was this from the breakup that you described that was a couple years ago, right? Was it from that I get a yes Uh, do we need to know more about it? No. Does that make sense at all? Thousand percent. Yep. Yeah Okay, do we release that emotion? Yes. Okay. So let me just make a good note of that one. All right, and um Are there any other underlying causes for the broken heart? I get a no So let's go back to that for a minute. So there we go So, uh, is Is that heart of yours that spirit heart still broken actually? No We cleared the underlying causes of that and now that spirit heart just came right back together again. So, um So that's the kind of thing that we see in the body code just to give you an idea.  I mean that's why you can't let go things like that Somebody might have stabbed you in the back with an energy weapon that happens. There can be curses entities All kinds of things As far as toxins go, you know, we find things like dental toxicities and cavitations and there's a whole dental relationship chart in here It's uh, it's an incredible system really that is uh, it's being used now in one of the top cancer institutes in the world Um The uh, I think I was showing you before how we've got the whole entire skeleton is in here, you know the ribs and so on It's all it's all in there and the beauty of it is that as you're going through the system Uh, it basically will walk you through and help you to understand, you know, what is going on um because it's uh, it's a knowledge base and uh, you can even find amazing things like nutrients Maybe you have a nutrient that your body needs. Well, your subconscious mind knows what you need and um, it seems to be able to uh to find what you need by Just using these columns and rows this little method that's just like the emotion code So, uh, let me ask you for people who are watching this and they're fascinated and they Have that feeling I really like to work with somebody I know they can go to the emotion code.com and they can find facilitators and of course you do workshops all over the world Do they align with a facilitator and just show up blank and say look I know the work is this big physically emotionally mentally spiritually Can we just start with a blank slate and check me out? Or is it important to come with something very particular as a place to start a jumping point? Well, it doesn't really matter. Um It doesn't really matter. I mean typically people will have some kind of a complaint that's driving them to get some kind of help, right? but um But it doesn't really matter. I remember once I had a uh, I had a patient that came to me and uh She was sitting in my office waiting and I came in and I said hello to her and I picked up the form that she was supposed to filled out and and uh She had left all the part about all of her complaints blank And she said I want you to tell me what's going on and I said, oh well, okay fine, I mean The bottom line is you see with the body code and the emotion code. We're not diagnosing anything all we're doing is we're finding the underlying imbalances that uh That ultimately interfere with our ability to manifest total wellness, uh, you know mentally emotionally and physically that's all it is We just find imbalances. We just work here is all we do But I can give you an idea if we go for example to um Let me share one more screen with you really quickly Yeah, let's see here we go. Okay. This is our website at discover healing dot com and uh On this site one of the things that you can do Oh, whoops, let me go. Let me go back to that Here we go On discover healing dot com one of the things that you can do is you can actually look at the um Something that we call our practitioner map And we have practitioners on this map that are all over the world. Okay, and so And the nice thing about it is you don't have to work with somebody that's right in your neighborhood You can work with somebody that maybe uh, you might find there's somebody and in uh, I don't know romania or Israel that maybe you might want to work with And as you zoom in on the map for example, what you'll find is that the the map will change Uh to show where uh, where that person, you know, where they are And so, you know, it just depends. Um Because the work is done at a distance it doesn't matter Where the person is on the planet um, and they can work with you and um, it's it's Really quite a quite a standing welcome to the 21st century. We're finally starting to realize what we're capable of and uh, and how powerful we are And we're just scratching the surface here so far. Really amazing. It really is amazing. Thank you so much for that And uh before we get into the last questions with uh, dr. Nelson I want to remind you that I have a gift for dare to dream watchers and listeners You've got a business and you want to put your products up somewhere and make money and scale your business Whether you have 10 students or 10 million I have a line with thinkific which they are brilliant. Let me tell you If there's a place to be today that is it So thinkific is the place where you can market you can sell you can actually even create your courses there Or put up the ones that you've already done all in one platform And I have arranged with them for you to have three months business plan for for re Got a th nk dot cc slash deb three months free Using that to set up your online course for courses th mk dot cc slash Deb and i'm speaking with dr. Bradley nelson coming here to the end And he reveals how emotionally charged events from your past can still be haunting you And he offers tools that can remove trapped emotional physical energies inhabiting the body He's a holistic chiropractic physician and a medical intuitive More at the emotion code dot com I know um, dr. Brad that you have said that Forgiveness is the number one thing that we can do to reduce stress in our life And the dictionary describes forgiveness with words like pardon Exoneration clemency and mercy that mercy very powerful words. I feel And as a doctor Who heals energy? What is the energy or? Absolution that forgiveness holds for us well What I have found is that uh, you can't really have peace until and unless You have forgiven whoever it is in your life that you need to forgive You know the natural human tendency for us Is to withhold forgiveness to someone that's really hurt us because we want to get even with them We want to punish that person. That's the natural tendency but um, it's like lewis mead's uh said uh once that um Forgiveness is like setting the prisoner free only to find out that the prisoner was you you see and so What I have found is that a lot of the time it's the emotional baggage that we have That um is around that abuse or around that person whatever they did to us When we can remove that emotional baggage with the emotion code and get rid of the trapped emotions that we have about that abuse or about that whatever Whatever was done to us or about that person that uh was mean or whatever when we remove that baggage People for the first time Are often able to finally truly forgive from their heart And you see the longer I live the more I realize it's really all about love see it's all about It's all about love love for ourselves forgiveness for ourselves. Sometimes it's hardest to forgive ourselves, right? But it's love and when we come from a place of love and we truly can say I love you and I forgive you and when we can really truly feel that in our heart That is just such a powerful powerful place to be And that's where we want to get to we want to be able to say Really imagine saying to everybody that you meet I love you. In fact, here's what I would recommend for you to do and for your listeners to do if you've never tried this Try this as you're going around walking around the mall or whatever it might be Rather than looking at people and judging them for maybe what they're wearing or what they look like or how overweight they are or whatever Instead Try this try saying to them Just silently. I love you and let me tell you something The subconscious mind of that person knows exactly what you're saying and they will It can it can really change how It can change how other people respond to you, but it can mainly change how you feel, you know I learned this little trick not too long ago actually and Not long ago my wife and I were going through some stuff and I was feeling really kind of just irritated one day and got kind of upset and And I found myself somewhere walking around kind of looking at people and I decided, you know I'm going to try this and I started just telling everybody No matter who it was just people walking by and saying I love you and It totally shifted how I was feeling so I highly recommend it. It's really interesting really fun And that's where we want to go right imagine living in a world like that where everybody is sending that message to everyone else I love you. Wow Very interesting. You would say that and I I support you 100. I hope people will try it I used to use that and I I heard that somewhere when I was younger and I used to be in a corporate job And I heard to use that and I used to get so nervous when I was younger and And a boss would call me in their office. I mean today. I'd be like whatever I'd show up, but back then I was just so nervous And I would employ that and I'd sit there and look at them and even though it was all locked up I'd start to just look at them and hear what they're saying, but in my mind say I love you Awesome. I love you. I love and just like everything my whole experience would change And also because I do red carpet interviews for Celebrity things for startup companies, you know when people get on a red carpet They're suddenly on camera. They have to deliver a sound bite It's a lot of energy for people sometimes to just stay really calm and connected And that's what I create this amazing circle of love that they are invited into and they know that they're held They're going to be okay. I'm there for them and that is the energy I lead with and I see the result of that in what gets created usually for the client Beautiful powerful stuff Where can people get your book? Well, of course it's available on amazon. It's available in all the bookstores now You can get it on audible as uh, you know as an audio book as well Uh, so um, and of course you can get it on on our website at discover healing dot com too And if you'd like to you can download the first couple of chapters if you go to emotion code gift dot com So it's all over the place Beautiful. Thank you for the amazing work you do and thank you for showing up in the way you did Today for the show and for the listeners I'm so grateful that my path crossed yours and I hope we continue to weave so as we go forward in our lives Well, thank you so much debbie for having me on and uh, I want to thank all of your listeners too for being here with us in this in this space and uh My my only advice would be to just take a look at this because it is real And you can learn this and there's a lot of healing that needs to take place in your own Families with your own loved ones and you can facilitate that and that's probably why you're listening to this right now I'm awesome. Yes So next week on dare to dream dr. John D martini is going to be here. He's going to be talking about overcoming fear Very powerful conversation And you can subscribe to this on the podcast channels as well as youtube dot com slash debbie dashinger And of course on the radio and just knowing you subscribe this comes right into your inbox every week And please leave us a five star review So other people who need to hear conversations like the one dr. Bradley nelson just Offered to us this past hour. They can also be connected with this kind of work Thanks, and remember the secret to success is having the courage to begin in the first place


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