This episode was prerecorded as part of a live continuing education webinar. On-demand CEUs are still available for this presentation through all CEUs. Register at allceus.com slash counselor toolbox. I'd like to welcome everybody to today's presentation on complicated grief. Complicated grief is like it sounds a little bit different than regular old grief. So we're going to define what it is, examine the impact of complicated grief and what the risk factors are. So there are other terms for complicated grief, extended bereavement, complicated bereavement, unresolved grief, whatever you want to call it by, that's what we're talking about. Somebody who goes through an experience is a loss of some sort and it doesn't resolve in the traditional period of time. And I always work hard to try to avoid the word normal because normal is really relative for every single person in every single situation. And then we're going to explore the tasks for successful grief resolution. So real quickly, some definitions. A loss, remember we've talked before about how a loss is not just a death. It can be any kind of change that includes being without someone or something. We have physical losses of tangible things like people and that can be a death, a car, a house, a breast if you go through a mastectomy. You can also have psychosocial losses of things that are intangible like divorce or your health. A job is not exactly tangible. You can also lose your hopes and dreams and kind of the way you think things were supposed to be. You would envision your life going down this path and all of a sudden it took a sharp right. And that can be considered a loss. It's a change. For many, many of my clients, they want to grieve the fact that they never got to have a childhood or the beaver cleaver childhood that they thought they should have been able to have. So we need to talk about losses that have happened and we also talk about losses that can happen. Sometimes it's helpful to help people start processing things if they know they're getting ready to get divorced or for example, if they know they're getting ready to move and you're like, well, a move isn't a big deal.  You know where the grocery stores are and everything and you're having to relearn. Now it can be very exciting, but there are also things that you may, you know, mourn over a little bit. We're getting ready to sell the house that my daughter grew up in.  He went down there to try to sell it and or get it ready for sale and he calls me and he's like, you know, every time I drive up, I expect a little squeaker to come running out the door to greet me because she always ran out and greeted him when he came home. So there are things, you know, we think nostalgia and they can be super traumatic or they can be just mildly nostalgic and, you know, a little bit sad. Bereavement comes from the Latin root word to have been robbed. So to experience a loss, you've been robbed of something, safety, security, something tangible. Secondary losses are other results, losses as a result of a primary loss. So if a breadwinner dies, you know, you're losing potential income when you're not in a relationship anymore. You know, maybe that person was helping with the bills. Maybe they were providing emotional support. You know, you have secondary losses. Grief is the reaction or response to loss that includes physical, social, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual dimensions. So it's not just emotional. It changes how we think about things. It changes us. Every experience we go through changes us and we can either let it change us for the better or we can let it defeat us. And mourning are rituals or behaviors associated with grief and courses of action in response to a loss. So what do you do in mourning? There are certain things that particular religions and particular cultures may prescribe for mourning, especially after a death. But there are also other things that, you know, we all do. We have our own little rituals after we lose something in order to try to make sense of the world again and come to acceptance with that loss. So complicated grief, separation, distress involving intrusive, distressing preoccupation with the deceased. A lot of this is going to sound really similar to acute stress and PTSD, because guess what? There is significant overlap. Now, does it mean that the person has PTSD? Not necessarily. But we do want to look at some of the similar symptoms. The traumatic stress is reflecting specific ways the person was traumatized by the death. So avoidance of reminders of the death. I know after my father died, I didn't want to go back down to the neighborhood. I didn't want to see the house. You know, it's just, you know, if I didn't see it, then maybe it didn't actually happen and I can live in that wonderful little world of denial. Intrusive, painful thoughts, thinking about it. If, you know, and a lot of times what we're talking about with complicated grief is going to be the loss of a person or someone you something you loved. I remember after my dog was killed, you know, I would close my eyes and I would see him, you know, and that would be really distressing to me. Emotional numbing, just, you know, not being, not being able to feel much of anything right now, just kind of being numb to everything. And sometimes people emotionally numb right after my grandmother died recently, my mother kind of got emotionally numb because she had stuff she had to take care of. You know, she couldn't afford, as she put it, to feel at that point in time. She needed to kind of compartmentalize it so she could do what she needed to do. And then, you know, she was able to unnum as soon as that got done and, you know, work through the process. But some people get emotionally numb and they kind of stay frozen. Irritability, feelings of hopelessness and purposelessness, and a shattered self-identity. So sometimes you may have a failure to assimilate the loss which creates an identity crisis and problems with self-regulation. So if you've got, you know, this couple that's been married for 40 years and John, the husband, passes away. And his wife is like, I've always been a homemaker. I've always been John's wife. What am I if I'm not John's wife? I don't know who I am or what I do because that's how I've, you know, found purpose in life was being a homemaker. So that can be difficult for people to assimilate.  But if a child dies before their parent does, that's kind of out of the natural order of things. So the parent may say, you know, who am I if I'm not Sally's mother? And there's all kinds of other guilt and grief things that they go through. But figuring out how to handle that and how to close out that chapter.  And even though we're adults, we're paying our own bills. We're adulting all on our own. It feels weird if, you know, you're having no parents, you know, your parents have both passed away. So helping people figure out how to negotiate that. Complicated grief can be reliably identified by administering the inventory of complicated grief more than six months after the death of a loved one. So it gives you an idea about how intense these symptoms are, how intrusive, how debilitating some of them may be. So what exactly are we talking about? Like I said, there's significant overlap between grief and trauma. In one study, 53% of participants has significant elevations in trauma symptoms six months after the death. So we want to take a look at that. What was going on? And I will remind you from our trauma class, things that can make it more devastating if there are significant stressors in the preceding six months. If there's a history of mental health problems or addiction issues, if the person doesn't receive social support. When we're talking about loss, when we're talking about grief here, those are the three big ones. So looking at what that means, those impact how significantly the loss can affect somebody. But it's not, that's a good screening triage to say, you know, this person may be at higher risk. We can't say who's going to be in this 53% for sure. One of the things we do need to be aware of if we're working with a patient, especially working with a patient on loss issues, that losing a therapist. So if you quit your job and you have to move your caseload to somebody else, or at the time the client is ready to discharge, they've made maximal gains at this level of care. It can trigger past complicated grief reactions. So stuff you may have thought you already dealt with in counseling, or you didn't even really know was there, may research. So be aware of that. Be aware of your client's reactions when you're starting to work through the discharge process. For many of our clients, or at least many of my clients, the relationship they have with their parents and with their parents, golly, with their therapist and hopefully their peers, are actually the first kind of pseudo healthy relationships they've had in a long time. So, you know, I come from working in a residential co-occurring disorders treatment setting so there's generally a lot of dysfunction in the relationships with significant others. So losing this relationship or terminating this relationship can activate some abandonment issues as well as complicated grief issues that clients may still need to deal with. Does it mean they shouldn't be discharged? It means they should probably be stepped down to a lower level of care and then help to resolve those issues. But, you know, sometimes you need to keep them at that level of care, but a lot of times complicated grief can be handled on an outpatient basis. The first and most pressing question whenever there is a crisis, whenever there is a loss is what in the world just happened? You know, I remember when I got the call from my father that he had been diagnosed with stage four cancer.  And I'm like, what just happened? Was it a dream? Please tell me I'm going to wake up from this. Immediately following is the question, how do I manage this right now? This is probably something I haven't dealt with. You know, I may have known it was coming.  So how can I manage this information, this knowledge, this situation right now? And then finally, the larger questions of grief and meaning are formulated. But right after a loss happens, you know, right after somebody passes away or you get the news that they're terminal, you're worried about, man, what do I need to do right now? What are the functions? And a lot of times we go, a lot of us go into this hyperdrive of what is the next thing? How can I fix it? What do I need to do? And a lot of times that's a way of getting out of ourselves so we don't feel the pain. We're staying busy. We're figuring out what phone calls need to be made, who needs to be notified, what the next step is. That's all very intellectual, so you're not touching those emotions. Once you get past that and you're kind of catching your breath a little bit, then the larger questions and the emotions start to hit in and you're like, what does this mean to my life? So grief takes time. The whole first year after a loss is one loss after another. So you think about it.  All kinds of stuff that people are going to experience for the first time without that person. So the first year is hard for anybody regardless of whether it's complicated grief or not. After that, you know, some people it's harder depending on how many losses they've had and how old they are. Grief issues can be more complicated for children who have, you know, fewer experiences, fewer frames of reference, etc. Be aware of special occasions and holidays all year long. And it can be those silly hallmark holidays. It can be big things like Thanksgiving and Christmas, but it can also be, I don't know, sister's day or I'm sure there's a holiday for everything.  You know, every time spring break time comes up, even though that's not a hallmark holiday. It's a time, it's a reunion time for you. Uncomplicated mourning is usually normally two to three years. Now I had always been taught one year. So when I did this presentation, I was like, oh, okay, well, you know, that gives me a little bit more information. Two to three years for people. First set of holidays, really tough. Second set of holidays, hopefully a little bit easier. Third set of holidays starting to make meaning. Complicated mourning may be a seven, five to seven year process or even a little bit longer. So and depending, and I've shared before that, that my stepfather's first family was killed in a house fire on New Year's Eve.  He's 87 years old now. And Christmas is still hard for him. And, you know, I totally get that. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in his shoes. So, you know, this has been, he's 87. That was when he was like 24, 60 some odd years. And certain, well, the anniversary of their death is really, really hard for him every single year. And, you know, now that Christmas seems to start, oh, in September in all the stores and they start putting out all the Christmas stuff, all the triggers and reminders start coming in, you know, earlier. Has he desensitized to a lot of it? Yeah, you know, he doesn't have nearly the issues even today that he did 20 years ago when he married my mother. However, you know, I can imagine the stuff he doesn't say because he's a kind of a stoic person. I imagine it still pains him sometimes. So, you know, let's not put time limits on stuff and say, well, you should be over it by the here or the pathological. It is what it is. Grief continues for a lifetime through major life milestones. If you lose a child to cancer, for example, their 16th birthday, when they would have graduated from college, when they would have, you know, moved out of the house when they would have turned 18. All of those major developmental milestones, you're probably going to feel a lot harder when if your parent dies and you're young, then when you, and they're not there for you when you graduate from high school, and they're not there for you to give you away at the altar. And they're, you know, there are certain things that you kind of expect your parents to be there. And if they're not, then it reopens that grief wound a little bit. Making sure clients are prepared for that. Things may be going really well. But there are things that can trigger it, and you just need to recognize what they are and kind of let's work on a plan to deal with them. It doesn't mean, you know, you're going way back there. But you can have a resurgence of your grief reaction. So grief impacts us holistically, socially, physically, cognitively, emotionally, and spiritually, all of these needs kind of overlap. When we lose a parent, for example, socially, they're not there anymore.  It also impacted how I interacted with my stepmother. And, you know, there are probably other social ramifications, but looking at how does it impact your relationships? You know, if it was a family member with your family members, with your friends, how you trust other people, if a widower, you know, somebody whose spouse has died, how does that impact them socially? Physically, those are probably the easiest ones to identify.  So they're probably going to have a lot of stress going on from that reaction. There's going to be tearfulness, difficulty sleeping, changes in eating, changes in libido. There's a lot of stuff that's going to go on until the person, you know, gets out of that crisis period. Cognitively, it can make people very cynical. It can make people very angry. It can make people, you know, reach more towards their spirituality. We don't know how grief is going to impact people in particularly, but we do have to look at how did it change your worldview? How does it change your thought processes right now? And it may not be about everything. It may be about certain things. Emotionally, that's a no brainer, you know, depression, anxiety, a sense of guilt sometimes over things you said that you shouldn't have or things you should have said that you didn't say, you know, that stuff, that person is gone and I can't make amends now. And spiritually, what does it mean to the greater order of things and connectedness now that this person or this entity or whatever is not in my life? Physical responses, eating disturbances. Sometimes when people get upset, their stomach gets upset and they just, they can't hold food down. When your sleep gets out of whack, when you're not getting good quality sleep, the hormones that regulate your hunger and satiation get all out of whack. Sometimes people eat a lot and that's how they cope. They're trying to get that rush of serotonin and dopamine to feel better. They don't think about it that way, but a lot of times that's why we crave stressed foods, high sugar, high fat foods.  Energy, some, a lot of people report that they have virtually no energy. They're tired, they're lethargic, feels like they're wearing weights on their wrists and their arms and they just takes all kinds of energy just to get out of bed. Sleep disturbances, cold, especially for children. Sometimes when children get really stressed out, they start to have difficulty regulating their own temperature. Anxiety, which could come on as sweating or trembling, GI disturbances. When you get stressed out, think about, you know, what happens to your GI tract. Your body is saying there's a threat. We need to fight or flee, so we need to speed things up. Well, not only do your thoughts get sped up and your heart rate gets sped up, but your GI system often gets sped up. So, you know, you can follow the dots there. And a compromised immune response and increased illness. If you're not sleeping well, if you're not eating well, or if you're just under chronic stress, your body is not sending as much stuff to your immune system to keep it elevated. So it's important to be aware that it's easier to get sick when you're run down. We all know this, but grief is a form of being run down. Intellectually, people start having confusion about what is real. You know, I told you before, when after my father passed, I didn't want to go down to where he lived because, you know, if I didn't see it, then I didn't have to acknowledge that he wasn't there anymore. And I knew exactly what I was doing. I just did it anyway. But what is real? So you're trying to figure out, is this person, you know, still alive?  Difficulty concentrating. People may read the same page six times and not know what they read. I'm not talking about journals here. I'm talking about the newspaper. They may have a short attention span. They can't finish sitting through a 30 minute program. You know, they've got to do something else. They can't focus. Nothing is getting their attention. Now that in many cases is a sign of a neurochemical imbalance. Remember, there are certain hormones that help us focus dopamine and norepinephrine being two of the big ones. So if your dopamine levels are low, you may not be able to focus as much. Difficulty learning new material, short term memory loss. So if you're doing, if you're trying to do your income taxes and you're in a crisis situation and you're grieving, probably going to be difficult to focus for that long and it's going to be difficult to remember, you know, what step did you just do and learn how to do your income taxes. So thinking about all of these things, when we're working with a client who is grieving, a lot of times they think it's just an emotional thing and then they go to do their income taxes or something simpler and they don't feel like they can do it or they're not doing it as effectively as they want to and they get frustrated because they don't understand why they feel so inept. Let's bring it together, help them see that their entire body is kind of in chaos right now. Difficulty making decisions. Again, how can we help people who are grieving? Number one, prepare for that.  Think about a family who is there for their child who's dying of cancer and they have decisions they've got to make. So, you know, it's going to be hard to make those decisions on a whole bunch at different levels.  You know, that pales in comparison. It's like, I don't know, I don't even care. So it's going to be difficult to make difficult decisions and you may not have the energy to make other decisions. You just can't even begin to think about that right now. A lack of a sense of purpose and we can help people figure out, you know, what their purpose is.  Like I said, if you had, I don't remember what names I used earlier, but this couple that was married forever, my grandparents, when my grandpa Ed died, my grandmother handled it really well. It was a blessing. But some people, when their spouse dies, don't. And my grandmother had always been a homemaker and had always put her around the house and, you know, she was a typical wife of the 50s.  What do I do? What's my purpose in life? Because I'm not, you know, and you can see a lot of people who are grieving, especially widowers, who start having problems getting adequate nutrition and fall into a deep depression, because the stuff like my grandmother used to always make meals for my grandfather. So obviously she would eat too. But when there wasn't somebody else to cook for, it was, what's the point? Plus cooking was a reminder that she wasn't cooking for anybody. If she, if she did cook, there wasn't anybody to eat with her. So it was kind of devastating. So we want to help them find their sense of purpose. And again, think through what might be some really benign triggers that that may happen like cooking a meal could be a trigger for complicated grief and letting people realize that you're going to come across these, how do you handle them when you start feeling triggered and inability to find meaning in the events and life itself. So we want to look at, okay, this happened. You know, this person has terminal cancer. This person died. What does that mean? You know, what did they mean to you when they were alive? What was their purpose in your life? How do you get meaning from that? What does this event mean, you know, that they passed away? What can you take from that? And how do you integrate it into your sense of purpose and life and what have you? And it's going to be different for every person.  And I like to grow and kind of steal parts of them. You know, there's there's still parts of a lot of people that I've encountered in my brain, you know, things that I learned from them. So I keep their memory alive by maintaining those things that I learned from them. Socially, grief can affect people through withdrawal. You know, they made it. I don't want to see anybody, you know, pull the curtains, don't come visit. I don't can't do it right now, which without social support, it makes people at greater risk for complicated grief. Do they want to have every friend in town stopping by? Do they want people calling every 10 minutes going, how you doing? No, you know, most people when they're in grief, a grief period really don't want to have quite that much input. So we want to ask the person, what is it that you need? How can I be there for you? And encourage our clients to reach out. Maybe they're not reaching out to their best friend, Sally, who doesn't seem to have a clue as to what's going on. But they are reaching out to a support group for, you know, people whose spouses have just died. Okay, those people get it. So at least you're reaching out to somebody. We don't want people to be isolated. We want them, there's a period of mourning. There's a period where they're going to want to have some downtime potentially, where they just want to think or kind of get their thoughts in order. And that's going to be up to that person. Some people want support immediately. And then this downtime comes later, or sometimes it never comes because they work it out while people are there. But we do need to let them know that the desire to be alone for a short period, totally normal. You know, if you start going into weeks of not wanting anybody around, then it's, you know, we might want to take a look at that. Encouraging them to find people that they do want to affiliate with. And I generally avoid the word socialize because when somebody is grieving, the last thing they want to do is go to a party or what they think of as socializing. Where can you get support? Where can you reach out and connect with other people? So I use different words. They may avoid not only other people, but they also may may avoid places that remind them of that person. So they may not drive down certain roads or whatever, which can lead people to feel kind of boxed in if they know they can't go over to this side of town or they can't drive past this thing or whatever. Irritability. When you're sick, when you're grieving, when you're tired, there are a lot of things that can make you irritable. But if you're irritable for long enough, it tends to have a negative impact on your relationships. Self absorption.  I don't know, you know, how I'm going to get through this grief. I don't know how I, I, I, normally we encourage I statements. If you're working with a family, with a person who lost somebody in their family, the other people in the family may also be having similar feelings. And they're like, well, Sally's only concerned about how she feels and how it affects her. What about how it affects us? So, you know, it sometimes the self absorption actually alienates other people who could be there as supports. Encouraging our clients to reach out to those family members that are healthy social supports, you know, and they'll define who those are and say, how is your sister doing with it?  It may prompt them to reach out and call because they were so focused on thinking about themselves that they may say, you know what, I don't really know how she's doing with it. I haven't talked to her in a week. So it may prompt them to reach out. The other side of that is some people instead of withdrawing, become very clingy and dependent when there's a loss. We see this a lot more in children who, especially children who lose a parent, you know, it can be very obviously traumatic for them. So they're clinging to the caregiver that is there. It's like, okay, you can't leave now.  If we have both kidneys, we're like, okay, you know, we get a kidney infection. It sucks, but we can get through it.  We start getting freaked out. So you want to kind of think of it in terms of that. Children need their caregivers in order to survive. They can't pay the rent. They can't do that kind of stuff. So if one caregiver goes away and there's only one left, then it's very, very terrifying that, you know, what happens if this caregiver goes away? And you can do a whole class on how to help kids deal with grief and to make a plan and help them feel more confident and everything. But clinging and dependence is not unheard of in adults when somebody passes away. If parents lose children, they may either split up emotionally and or physically and or, you know, marriage-wise. Or they can become, one partner can become very, very dependent on the other one in order to, you know, keep going. Emotionally, grieving runs the gamut from angry at higher powers, angry at the situation, angry at others or whatever caused it, angry at yourself for things you did do or didn't do. Anger just kind of can cover everything. Depression. Remember, depression is a sense of hopelessness and helplessness. Well, when you lose somebody, that little glimmer of hope that they brought to your life dims a little bit because, you know, there's no hope of getting them back. And you feel helpless because there's no hope of getting them back. Now, there's probably, hopefully, other people and other glimmers of hope in your life. But sometimes it takes a second to help clients remember that you're right. You are powerless to get them back. But what can you do with, you know, in our family, for example, after my father passed away and both of my kids were my son was in diapers and my daughter was an infant. And so they don't really remember Papa Ron, but we talk about him a lot. And I share the things that he taught me and we share memories, especially around holiday times. You know, I tell them what Papa Ron used to do. So those are things that you can do in order to help people figure out how to maybe get a sense of hope and control or empowerment in this situation so they don't feel helpless and they don't feel hopeless. Yes, you can't get the person back. But what can you do to either keep their memory alive or, you know, whatever they want to do, whatever they want to do in order to feel empowered. People can feel sad. And when you lose something important to you, you're going to feel sad and that's okay. You know, recognizing that crying, irritable, some people may be afraid that they can't go on. That they can't go on without so and so. I did see that a little bit in my grandmother right after my grandfather passed because he paid the bills and he always, whenever anything went wrong at the house, he handled it. So for the first few months after he passed, when things went wrong at the house, she kind of went into a tailspin until she realized that, you know what, I can do this. And if I can't, you know, my uncle Jim lives like five miles away. She could, she could just call him and he would come over and help her out. So she realized that, you know what, I can go on. I can do this by myself, even though my partner's not here anymore. In some people, it can also trigger death anxiety. Now they found that that's not as true in older adults. Older adults have generally kind of come to terms with things. Younger people may have significant death anxiety. People may feel lonely or relieved, guilty or regretful. Now relieved is one that people can feel really guilty about because after somebody dies, if they've been going through an illness, whether it's Alzheimer's or cancer or whatever it is, sometimes the loved ones are just relieved that that person isn't in pain anymore. When people get older though, and when you can see that there's clear pain, then the relief, a lot of times people don't feel as guilty that they feel relieved. But when somebody is older and they just die of natural causes, you know, when people feel relieved that the person is gone, they're, you know, gone to a better place, however they want to say it, they may still feel guilty about that. After my grandmother passed, my mother felt guilty because my grandmother really, her quality of life was dwindling. That was true. And she was, you know, quite old. But still there was nothing that we could point at that said, well, this killed her.  And my mother felt relieved that she wasn't struggling anymore. But it was also a relief off of her shoulders because she and my, my uncle had been doing a lot to intervene and care give. So they were starting to get really burned out. And she wasn't angry about that. But when that was done, she was like, oh, I can breathe again. I'm not constantly worried about mother. So relief is one of those weird emotions that we may need to help people process and understand why they feel it and come to terms with it so they can address any guilt they may have about feeling relieved. Guilty that you did things you shouldn't have or you should have done things that you didn't do. I've spent a lot of time with clients working through the grieving process dealing with their guilt issues. Writing letters to the person empty chair technique. I'm sure you have tools in your toolbox to help people deal with some of that stuff. So spiritual beliefs are challenged. The question why reverberates a lot of times and many times when it's just a normal natural death. There isn't complicated grief. But when there's something that, you know, it's a sudden death. It's a violent death. It's a death that's out of the natural order or a loss that's out of the natural order. The question why may reverberate. Where was God or my higher power? If God or my higher power is all powerful, why did why was this allowed? How can this be okay? If God or my higher power loves me, how could this be?  And this is, I find for a lot of times I will refer people to their spiritual leader to answer some of these. Because that person, the spiritual leader is the expert on their religion, their spirituality. And it also gives them another contact to reach out to and broadens that support system from me to, you know, another professional that can also help them. We talk about it in session, but it's much more reflective humanistic the way I approach it. Because I'm not a certified Christian counselor, so I try to stay away from that.  Common and unique, death and grief are unique. Each person's experience is his or hers alone. And each experience is unlike any other. So if you've had a death in the past and you have another death, don't expect them to necessarily be the same. Because each person in your life or each of those people held a different role, served a different function. You know, you learn different things from them. They probably died in different ways. You know, there's a lot of stuff that's there. So each experience is unique. So we can never know exactly how somebody feels. We can empathize and that's all we can hope to do because we haven't been in their skin and had all those experiences with that person and the world. The term complicated grief has to do with grief that does not follow the normal course or process to successful completion. People get stuck and they just can't, they don't feel like they can get out of this feeling of despair, this feeling of emotional numbing. They feel stuck. Models for normal grief. Bowlby's attachment theory. We'll talk about that. William Warden's four tasks for the normal grief process. Things people have to do to work through it. Wolfe's six reconciliation tasks. These are all different ways of looking at the same thing. And Therese Rando's six Rs. You may find one seems like it clicks for you more than the other three.  I'm just kind of presenting some ideas. Attachment relationships help regulate psychological and biological functions. So there's mastery and performance success. When we have attachment, think about little kids. When that they toddle off and try something new and if it fails miserably, they have a safe home base to go back to think of Erickson stages. In order for us to feel like we can get out beyond our comfort zone where we can perform. We need to feel like we've got secure attachments. We've got support. So if it goes bad, we have something to fall back on, but when we're doing it, we've got a cheerleader. We've got somebody at our back. Learning and performing is the same way. You know, if we are securely attached, if we're not worried about where our food's going to come from, where our love is going to come from, all those basic needs, then we have more ability to focus. You know, our HPA axis isn't going all haywire going. There's a threat. You're in danger. It's going, somebody's got my six. I can focus on learning, you know, so you're calm, you're more focused. Relationships with others tend to go better if you've got secure attachments. If you believe that you've got people who are there for you, then it's easier to reach out and form attachments with other people because you've had successes. It affects cognitive functioning. If you're not securely attached, then you're typically anxious, which impacts your ability to focus and etc. Coping and problem-solving skills. We learn those from our attachment relationships. Self-esteem, emotion regulation right there. Again, with the anxiety, if you don't feel safe, if you don't feel like you've got secure attachments, unconditional positive regard, whatever you want to call it, sleep quality may be disrupted because if you're stressed, you're going to maintain a higher level of cortisol, which is going to impair your sleep and pain intensity. They found that people with secure attachments tend to have higher pain tolerance and people with fewer or no secure attachments in their life tend to have more pain. Now, interestingly, I'll just kind of draw the parallel. Serotonin is responsible for moderating or modulating our pain perception. When serotonin is low, our pain tolerance is low. When serotonin is higher, we can tend to tolerate more pain before it feels excruciating. So kind of an interesting, they haven't connected attachment relationships with serotonin yet, but you can see parallel actions. Exploratory behaviors are reciprocally linked to attachment. If we have a secure home base, we're going to be more likely to explore. Attachment and safety stimulate a desire to stimulate a desire to learn, grow and explore and be all that we can be because we're like, hey, you know, I got the world by the seat of the pants. Caregivers provide support and reassurance, so a safe haven. Encouragement and pleasure. They're a secure base for you to go from. And it's important to remember, you know, when I'm talking about all this, you're probably thinking of a toddler. And well, that's true of toddlers. It's also true of adults.   Or maybe you're not married. You talked to your best friend and you wanted some input there. You wanted those secure attachments in your life to say, you got this and I got your back. I think you're on the right track. So it encourages us, even as adults, to get outside that comfort zone if we know that we've got secure attachments there to serve as a safety net. Among adults, caregiving is at least as important as being cared for. That's an interesting, interesting thing to think about. Because not a lot of, not all adults think of themselves as caregivers. My best friend has three boys that he loves dearly, but he regularly tells me, you know, I don't care about anybody. He tries to be this big gruff, you know, whatever. But in reality, you know, I know those kids are his life and if they weren't there, he'd be a completely different person. And he, you know, even with his other friends, when they've been really in need, I've seen him reach out and, you know, go to the sort of the ends of the earth for his true friends. So it gives him meaning and it does give him a sense of pride when he's able to do that. So even people that act gruff and aloof and all that kind of stuff. If you look deep down in there, there's probably a lot of caregiving that actually happens. So we do want to encourage people. It's another reason we don't want them to be socially isolated because caregiving can help us develop and keep, maintain, regain a sense of purpose. Loss of an attachment relationship disrupts attachment, caregiving and exploratory symptoms systems. I don't want to explore. I don't want to attach to anybody anymore. And I surely don't have the energy to be caregiving right now. You know, I'm just barely getting through the day. Makes sense.  Attachment activates separation response and impacts restorative, emotional, social and biological processes. So when there's a loss, the lack of attachment activates the separation response. So then people need to recoup, if you will. But it impacts the restorative, emotional, social and biological processes. The person's not going to sleep well for a little while. The person is not going to want to interact with others for a little while. And, you know, other biological processes may be out of whack. It disrupts the exploratory system because it inhibits exploration with a loss of a sense of confidence and agency or self-efficacy, if you will. It disrupts caregiving because it may produce a sense of failure in caregiving and includes self-blame and survivor guilt. So what did I do that I shouldn't have done? What should I have done that I didn't do? Even if it didn't impact the person's demise, there can be self-blame for I should have been calling that person every week or, you know, whatever. Helping them identify the should-ofs that they've got and deal with any survivor guilt if there is. If you're in a car accident and you're the lone survivor of the people that were in the car, there may be some survivor guilt that needs to be dealt with. Word is for tasks. People have to experience the reality of the loss and talk about it and say, what does it mean now that John is dead? What does it mean that you were in this car accident and these other three people are now dead and they're not there anymore? What does it mean that you survived and they're dead? And yes, that sounds harsh and obviously I'm not going to say it exactly that way to each person. But helping them experience and come to the acceptance that this isn't a dream, you know, get out of denial, accept that it isn't a dream. There's nothing we can do to bargain our way out of it and recognize what is. Experience the pain of the loss. And if you think of the stages of loss, you have denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I find that bargaining, you know, kind of jumps around a little bit in the clients that I work with, but whatever. You have anger and depression that are there. Anger and sometimes anxiety remembers fight or flee, there's a threat. That person was taken away from you. So when after a loss, after a death, a lot of times people feel disempowered. They feel somewhat out of control because this person was taken away from them and they had no control over it. So there's a sense of threat. When might this happen again? Could this happen to me? Helping them experience that anger that they didn't get to say goodbye, anger that I have clients right and anger that journal.  What are you angry about? And then we'll kind of go from there. Adjust to an environment and there are a lot of other ways that you can help people experience the pain of the loss in a controlled setting. Have them bring a, I almost said photo album, but most people don't have photo albums anymore. Have them bring pictures of the person. They can do it on their digital device. They can email you a link to the album. And then you can talk about the different pictures in session so they can reminisce and experience the joy of having that person in their life, but also start coming to terms with the fact that they're not in their life anymore. You can talk about the pain of going through the lost process with them. One of my husband's coworkers just recently lost a child. So, you know, talking with them if I were their therapist, you know, we would talk about what was it like to know that this might be something that happened. And then as it happened, you know, tell me about it. And if you think about cognitive processing therapy, having the person tell their story and get it out there in not just intellectually, but what did it feel like when this happened? Help them process all the way through it. Cognitive processing therapy usually used with trauma, but complicated grief generally is happens because of a trauma. So they work. Help the person adjust to the environment without the deceased. Okay, you know, your spouse is not here anymore to pay the bills or to handle it when the roof starts to leak. So what's your plan? You know, how are you going to handle this now that this person's not here? And withdraw emotional energy from the deceased and invested in new relationships. And if this is presented to people at the very beginning, they're like, how rude you want me to take my feelings away from this person and give it replace them. And so no, I don't want you to replace them. But when we get to this last step, it's taking the emotional energy spent on grieving and using it to create positive new relationships. It's not replacing that person. It's taking everything that you learn from that person and keeping their spirit alive, which takes a lot less energy. But the energy required for grieving is immense. And once you start withdrawing your energy from the anger and the depression and the guilt and those emotions that you may be stuck in, that energy is liberated to do something else. So you can invest it in new relationships to make your life mean rich and meaningful. It's not replacing the person. It's adding to. WOLF at six reconciliation tasks, acknowledge the reality of the death, move toward the pain of the loss while being nurtured physically, emotionally and spiritually. Each one of these is going to talk about acknowledging moving through the pain. And there are each person and please share if you have particular techniques that that you use that can be really helpful for helping people move toward the pain and acknowledge what it feels like. Sometimes I ask clients, you know, what are your three biggest fears now that this person is not here. And then talking about what those fears are starts opening the floodgates that talk about the pain of loss or abandonment or convert the relationship with the person who has died from one of presence to one of memory. And this is one that I like because yes, they are not physically I can't touch them anymore. But I remember them. And I can remember the stories. I remember after my grandmother died. We were all at the wake and they started telling all kinds of stories about her that things I had never heard of. I mean, I never knew to ask, but I had never heard of and I was just fascinated. And my family has always been good about keeping people alive through their memories and through the stories. But we want to talk with people. What do you want to do? Do you want to have pictures of them around your house or not? You know, that may be too triggering right now. You may revisit that later. Do you want to, you know, how do you want to try to keep their memory alive and preserve them in memory? Develop a new self identity based on life without that person. And sometimes it's huge because you lost a child or a spouse.  Your self identity may not have been completely intertwined with them, but you are now a survivor of a car crash where people died. So you're going to develop a new self identity as a survivor. Relate the experience of death to a context of meaning. What can you get out of this? Oh my gosh. And this is obviously we're talking about adults here. And I'll get to your comment in a second about kids. And experience a continued supportive presence in future years. So we don't want to just say, well, it's work through it, you're going to be done by the being let's go. No, there are going to be resurgence is and that's okay. But we want to make sure that people continue to have support. If you want to go back to Bulby's theory, we want to make sure that they continue to have those attachments that they can rely on as support networks. Kids often want pictures and reminders of people who've passed away, but the family or parents or adults in the household may not want those pictures around. So, and I can understand that if you've got multiple children and one passes away, the other child may want to continue to have pictures of his sister or whatever. And it is a balancing act and that's one thing that is difficult to figure out sometimes.  You wouldn't want to have them out on display, but with since digital devices are now pretty much in front of people's faces all the time. If they have that person's pictures in a place on their phone where it's less obtrusive to the family, that might be something that may be a reasonable compromise. So, it doesn't trigger other people, but it provides support. Rando's three phases and six processes. There's the avoidance phase where the person needs to move through this. The person needs to recognize the loss. The confrontation phase. The person acknowledges life without the person and moves towards the pain. Reacting to the separation. Recollecting and re-experiencing the deceased and the relationship. This is reminiscing. Relinquishing old attachments to the deceased and the old assumptive world. No, I can't call him or her anymore. That's gone. But, you know, what can I do? How can I contact? And now, you know, obviously I don't have a direct line up to heaven, but when I have a problem, I think, what would my father say? So that's one thing, you know, a lot of times when I'm working with clients, I'll share some of the things that I do. Some of the things that I know other people have done and encourage them to, you know, figure out what might work for them. And then the accommodation phase, where the person readjusts to move adaptively into the new world without forgetting the old. We don't want people to think that in order to get closure, you need to forget about that person. They're going to be in your hearts and in your minds forever. So how do you move adaptively into this new world? What does it look like without having that person physically present and encourage them to reinvest?  During the avoidance phase, recognize the loss. Acknowledge the death, understand the death, and understand any secondary losses as a result of the death. And remember, they can be tangible losses, they can be social losses, they can be status losses, or they can even be more esoteric things like loss of hope or loss of faith or, you know, react to the separation by experiencing the pain, feeling, identifying, feel it, identify, accept, and give some form of expression to all the psychological reactions to the loss. So if you've got relief, let's identify it and give some form of expression to it. What does it mean to you to feel relief now? You know, does it feel like a balloon is going up to the heavens or, you know, metaphors can be useful, art projects can be super useful, and identify and mourn secondary losses. Recollect and re-experience the deceased and the relationship by reviewing and remembering the person realistically and reviving and re-experiencing the feelings that you had when they were there, you know, some of the awesome times, and relinquish the old attachments to the deceased. Finally, readjusting to move adaptively means revising your assumptive world. That person is always going to be here. No, not in person. Maybe they'll always be there in your heart. Develop a new relationship with the deceased.  Adopt new ways of being in the world and form a new identity. Once you've gone through this, no, when you lose somebody, it changes you somehow. And when I say somehow, I mean, it depends on who the person was and what the experiences were. But every experience you have changes you in some way. And you can either let it break you or help you grow. So helping people figure out, how can I use this for strength? Maybe it just teaches me how much I can endure. But what is it that I can get out of this to help me with the enhanced my identity? Rando's treatment approach assesses around the six Rs and determines where the mourner is stuck and not making progress.  Those are the Rs that we're talking about. Base treatment on interventions that address the R. So if the person is stuck in recollection, you know, they're not ready to confront the pain of the loss. You know, treatment is going to be stuck or not stuck but tailored around helping the person get unstuck here. We're going to help them recall the person, recall the pain and move through it. Explore with the caregiver the identity and roles with the lost loved one and the meaning of the relationship. I remember when my uncle Jack passed on, he had Alzheimer's and he had it for a long time. So going through with my aunt Irene, the social worker explored with her the identity and roles that she had because she started out as his love and then his wife and, you know, mother of their children. And then she became his caregiver and then she became basically his executor once he lost a lot of his functions. He didn't even recognize her anymore. So there were a lot of different roles she played and a lot of different emotions in that relationship. Risk factors for complicated mourning. Just kind of be aware of these survivors. The age of the survivor is going to be a risk factor. Younger children may have more difficulty than others. Physical issues. If the person has any physical complications from the traumatic incident that may complicate things. If they've got any cognitive issues that may complicate their ability to comprehend what's gone on. Any preexisting emotional issues, depression, anxiety, bipolar. Remember stress can trigger episodes of, you know, certain things. And extreme stress can even trigger the initial psychotic episode or the initial manic episode. Keeping an eye out. That's rare. But just keeping an eye out and being aware. Personality and character traits. If someone tends to be more as the DSM identifies it as neurotic. If they tend to be more pessimistic, more waiting for the other shoe to drop. It can be more devastating. Likewise, if they tend to be one who wears rose colored glasses all the time, this may shatter their perception of how things are supposed to be. So we just want to look at how adaptive they are, what their personality is like. Their socioeconomic status. They have more wealth. I hate to say it, but it's true. They have access to more resources often. People who work higher paying jobs tend to be able to take family medical leave and have, you know, paid vacation. Whereas people who are working hourly jobs, if they don't go to work, they don't get paid. If they don't get paid, they can't eat. So they don't have the luxury of taking time off to kind of get things, get their mind in order and spiritual factors. How they relate and find meaning in this, what they think happens after death and how they feel about death. The nature of the loss affects it, you know, a natural death of an older person, much less likely to trigger complicated mourning than a sudden death of someone, a violent death of someone. The number of losses that occurred, you know, if this person was your spouse for 50 years, they were also the primary breadwinner. They were your best friend. Maybe they were your only friend. They were the father to your children.  You know, there's a lot of losses there. So that can be more impactful. Or if somebody is younger and their spouse passes away, they lose their spouse. They may lose a source of income, which means they also may lose their house. So they've got to move somewhere else. And you want to look at, and when they move, they may have to move far enough away. Maybe they move back in with their parents.  All those losses build up. The circumstances of the loss, resources available, the nature of the relationship, the longer the relationship, the more impactful it can be, the importance of the relationship. If this is somebody that is pivotal in your life versus somebody you talk to once every six months, the culture, the roles that the person plays, if it is a prominent person in your family because of the, you know, cultural values assigned to that person, it may be more devastating. The quality of the relationship, obviously, complicated grief is probably going to be more significant for better quality relationships. Not always. I mean, you can have some really tenuous parent-child relationships. And, you know, if the child passes away or the parent passes away, there can be significant complicated grief. Dependence on the person. If you were like the example I gave, if you were in a situation where you were financially and emotionally dependent on this person, then when they go away, you're like, I haven't worked, like, ever, except for being a homemaker. And so I don't know how to go out and get a job. I don't have any work history to give an employer. The hopes and dreams you had with that person. And the amount of daily change when that person's gone. If you were making their lunch every day, that's going to be more impactful than, like I said, if it's somebody you talk to once every six months. Treatment tips. Secondary victimization occurs when support systems isolate, blame, and stigmatize. So we want to look for those characteristics when we're talking to our client about their support system. Is their support system embracing them or pushing them away? Do they blame them for what happened or for not being there, you know, or anything? And is there a stigma associated with the client? Multiple losses require multiple adaptations over time and can make interventions very complex. So for example, if parents, their child is murdered, they never do quite connect again and then they end up divorcing. That may be five years later, but it's another loss as a secondary loss that results from the primary loss of the child. Homogeneity in support groups helps normalize experiences. So support groups for survivors of suicide. Support groups for people who lost their spouse. Those are going to do better than if you put the two of them together and go, hey, you've all lost somebody. So find really specific support groups. Five areas of focus for people. Physical needs. They need warm, healthy foods, clothing, and they have an increased susceptibility to illness. So encourage people to remember to feed their bodies, take care of themselves, and protect themselves from illness because they're run down right now. Emotional needs. Expect grief. Expect bursts of emotion and some depression. Help them understand that and then give them tools. Ask them when you felt grief before. How have you dealt with it? When you have been depressed before, what helped you? Even if it was just for an hour, what helped you feel a little bit better? Social needs. A lot of times they're not very many peers that can relate, so helping them find groups, support groups that they can connect with. Cognitive areas. Help people figure out what they can do during this time when they're grieving and they have difficulty concentrating. No attention. I encourage people to write things down. Simplify as much as possible. This is not the time to be making five course meals. Make casseroles. Get TV dinners. If you feel like you need to cook for your family, okay, fine. But don't make it some involved thing unless that helps you feel better. Simplify what you can. And get assistance. Ask for help. If you need help cleaning your house, if you need help with the laundry, if you need help with or you just need respite from your kids for a day. A lot of times people have support systems that they can reach out to and get that, whether it's through your church or through your neighborhood or your family. Somebody can help you. Most places also have drop in childcare. A lot of cities have companies that specialize in just doing drop in childcare. So that might be something if the grieving person has the financial ability to pay for drop in childcare, then they may be able to get respite that way. And spiritual. Be aware of phrases that can confuse and frighten, especially young people, such as God took her or God needed an angel.  Okay, that can really freak kids out. The song that talks about walking through the shadow of the ballad of death can be very scary because a lot of kids see, you know, this figure of death and the shadows and, you know, the imagery is just terrifying to some children. The concept that the good die young Billy Joel saying about it. But if a kid is, you know, you tell kids all the time that they're good kids. And then you say, well, the good die young that can freak a kid out. And finally, he is sleeping. That's another one that we use. Sometimes, you know, he went to, he just went to sleep, which can make kids not want to go to sleep because they're afraid they won't wake up. So just be aware of the verbiage you choose and try to think of it through the eyes of the person you're talking to, especially if it's a child who might be really freaked out because they take it literally. So a secondary loss is a loss precipitated by the initial loss, such as loss of housing or having to move and change your jobs loss of a friend. Anticipated loss can be defined as a death that is expected weeks to years and advance. If somebody is diagnosed with a terminal illness, you know that their death is coming sooner than would be expected. And the grieving process often starts then to a certain extent. Common physical emotional and cognitive reactions to anticipated loss includes changes in eating, sleeping, mood, world outlook and socialization. Common reactions to unexpected loss include shock, anger and guilt. If the person asks about a death, you know, how did it happen? Did he suffer? Yada yada. Then details can be provided age appropriate, of course, but we don't want to necessarily always volunteer those details. Education, normalization and validation contribute to a normal adjustment after a loss. What should you expect in the next weeks, months and year and 12 months? Normalizing those reactions and validating how the person feels right now and encouraging them to learn how to self validate so they can say, I feel how I feel. Education about sudden loss can help people alleviate guilt, find closure and move on, understand what has happened and find peace. And normalize and decrease intense reactions because instead of catching them off guard and making them feel even more out of control, they anticipate it. So they can say, all right, this is really unpleasant, but my therapist said it's not unexpected so I just need to kind of get through it. Factors that affect the individual reactions to sudden loss include the circumstances of the death, personality and character traits, pre-existing issues like mental health issues or substance abuse and the nature of the relationship. If it was, you know, a parent-child relationship versus friends. And sudden death makes people want to truly understand why it happened. And some people can get really stuck on that why. You know, help me understand why this happened. And a lot of times we don't have the answers. So working through the why for yourself, why do bad things happen and figuring out, you know, why is it so important to know why it happened? It happened and it's unfortunate. And a lot of times people want to know why because if they know why it happened, then they can keep it from happening to them so they can help themselves feel safe. So we want to look at, which is why I ask, why is it important to know why it happened? What will this information help you with? And then we can work on figuring out other ways to help the person feel safe and secure or whatever they need. If you enjoy this podcast, please like and subscribe, either in your podcast player or on YouTube. You can attend and participate in our live webinars with Dr. Snipes by subscribing at allceus.com slash counselor toolbox. 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Last week, after two years of interruption, the Committee on WIPO standards were reconvened. WIPO standards are used to codify the information on patent trademarks and industrial designs, so that their integration in global database is more easy. The Committee in the Committee participated more than 60 delegations from member states, from industrial property offices and NGOs around the world. There were 26 items on the agenda and all of them were considered. I will mention four items that are most important. The first one was the adoption of a standard to codify fragments of DNA in patent documents, so that the retrieval in patent databases is easier. This standard describes how soundmarks should be codified. In addition to a visual description of the soundmark, also a file should be included preferably in MP3 format that allows the user to listen to the sound produced by the soundmark. A very important progress was done on the adoption of a standard on legal status of patents. Once this standard is adopted, the users will be able to identify whether a patent is under examination, whether it is valid or whether it has expired, and these for all countries around the world. This is very important information for the industry and also for the research community. Finally, the Committee decided to make a survey on the use of the 53 standards that are currently valid, so that it is possible to know the popularity of the standard, whether an office has a problem in implementing it, and also whether there is a need for revision of the standard.


Valkyrie Mitch, thank you very much for being with us. You're a former Foreign Minister of Serbia, so obvious question. How do you view the situation and the future of the Balkans? Well, it's a pretty complicated situation everywhere in Europe, and we're feeling it, of course, in the Balkans. After a number of years, the internal frictions have subsided in the Balkans. Unfortunately, it coincided with financial crisis and with the political crisis and the neighborhood. When I say neighborhood, I mean both Southeast neighborhood, towards the Middle East, as well as Northern neighborhood inside Europe and inside the European Union. So at the moment when we thought that the process of reconciliation and integration of the Balkans in the European Union is just going to speed up, it unfortunately didn't. And as a result of this crisis, both to the North and to the South, the Balkans is suffering with refugees. There are also economic consequences of the current developments, and the situation is stable, but we can remember, not really satisfactory, and we can remember better times. Maybe not in recent history, but before. I mean, can you see a point, if so when, that Serbia, not just Serbia, becomes part of the European Union? It would be now a very, very difficult call to make on the current circumstances. I don't see Serbia deviating from the path of integration to the European Union, but I am afraid that given the current conditions, this path is going to be very long. Actually, it's going to take us a long time to walk this path. What do you think of the World Policy Conference's contribution to talking about these issues? I really love coming here. This is my second time, and I think that the composition of the people, the participants, it's really a class and the topics that we picked are very pertinent. In the moment, which is obvious to everybody, is a moment of the world going through a flux. So it's good to be here. I'm pleased to be here. Excellent. We're pleased you are here as well. Buk Jermic, thank you so much. Thanks a lot.


Hey, y'all so our 10-day winners our 10-day challenge winners.  We are going to take just a few minutes and announce the winner winner chicken dinners I'm very excited. They haven't they don't know yet So in the chat if you think you won the 10-day challenge put it down below The foundation of what are on the challenge? It's you might want to know the challenge and it's really what is the challenge? So basically we did a 10-day challenge It's it's it's about challenging yourself to do more be more have more get more We had people drink ketones. We have people move their body in different ways We had people work on maybe some mad at mindset and gratitude. We had individuals do walks We had people turn off their phone. So it was ways to do the challenge to get people to basically become better Hi peg. So it's ways to for people to do better. It was ways for people to get better And that's what the whole challenge is all about and I'm very very very excited because we do have another challenge coming up And I'm gonna invite everybody to participate, but there were some really cool winners There are some really amazing winners. Actually, I want to be on everybody that did it's a winner I hope that makes sense. What's up? Oh, so It's funny osa spends her near her name's osa osa and she spends it as a which is to me sounds like it just I have a hard time pronouncing that so anyway anyway But we're gonna we're gonna take a minute and we're gonna just kind of announce to everybody Who these winners are and how I looked at the winners? How did I decide on who the winner was and but I always want to be clear that everybody's a winner in my book? Because you did it and so once you finish the challenge. I hopefully you all are continuously Moving for continuously taking two things away and getting better Right because we have another challenge around the corner We are gonna do a special challenge for a team out in Iowa But hold tight of them, but for everybody else for everybody else out there on I mean everybody else I see Lola. I see osa. I see peg. I see Shawna. I see Tammy I see Mindset with Tammy. That's two different Tammy's I See Jennifer which we're gonna do some fun things out there in Iowa if you're Northern Iowa be ready for us We're coming to town But let's get to it. Okay drum roll, please now. What's really hard is picking first, second, third So in the future when I do change I do champs when I do Challenges, I think I'm gonna do it differently. I don't think I'm gonna give a first second third I think what I'm gonna do maybe I will maybe I'll make it more competitive But I think what I'm gonna do is just I'm gonna pick three and do prizes for them. So the reason why is that How do you decide who's first, right? It's hard to because just to give everybody an example if you're on the challenge right now I want you to put down what's what's one thing that you were proud of we had peg do burpees We had people in their 50s doing burpees. We had people in their 50s doing push-ups We had people in their 30s walking a mile the first time in a long long time We had people doing planks. How do you decide which one's better? You know, how do you decide that so I had a lot of parameters that I chose that kind of it was an indicator of who won the challenge and And it had to do with a few things it had to do with their participation It had to do with their commitment to getting on the lives in the zooms that was the biggest factor It wasn't about their transformation because everybody's transforming in some way some people could have lost more body fat than other people But that's not necessarily in their fault. Maybe they weren't they didn't have as much to lose So why should we use that as the only bed only benchmark? So let's get to it. All right y'all So give me a shout out. What is one thing you took away Tammy took away burpees and planks Tammy took away burpees and planks. You know what? I just realized do I do have their last names Um, I do the last names. All right. I got everybody's last names and Louise if you're on We you put one name in wrong so I'll correct that For y'all I'll correct that for y'all. So here we go drum roll the three winners the three winners And I haven't figured out how I'm going to do the first second third yet Because it's like as I look at all three of them. I'm like, how do you decide which one's better than the other? Like who should be first? Who should be second? Who should be third? And I gotta come up with a better solution So for me Oh, Louise says for me I just want I don't want you to say something to have the wrong person. That's why but for me Um, I'm gonna come up with a solution to make all of them the winners now You know, we have young kids who are kind of like, you know, everybody gets a trophy. Well, I'm not quite But uh to to say that peg Should be first over sara is hard for me to say that because I think that they what they built They was terrific and what Tammy did why was that, you know, not any better than what sara did I hope that all makes sense. So you all ready for this. I'm delaying on purpose y'all So we got I'm just I'm I'm pushing this Can push myself. Yes, you can village. Oh, yes, you can um, you all ready for the three winners And and the three winners you all ready for them. You're all ready for me to announce the three winners And so but here's the cool thing is we're gonna do this again And so if you didn't win this time my little my little four-year-old does this thing called tiger kick And she always wants to be the tiger kick of the day and she's never gotten it She's been doing this for a year. She's never gotten it My son gets it. He gets it like every other week And she I mean for the longest time she wouldn't go to tiger kick because she never gets tiger kick today Just today for the first time ever For the first time ever she's like, you know what? I didn't win today But I'm gonna go back on wednesday and I'm gonna do better And I was like, I'm proud of you because guess what she'll probably win on wednesday or she'll win next week Or whatever it is. I thought that was really really cool She all ready for the big winners and I'm gonna tell you why I chose them in a second And but I always want to be clear It doesn't mean that any of any of you else didn't win and I have some Consolation prizes for some of you that you're gonna all get a little something something But here's the three big winners. Here are the three big winners Okay, first one is Tammy chafie. You know what Tammy? I don't do you know jeff chafie by chance? I went to school with jeff chafie and east chain Uh granada east chain. That's kind of weird But Tammy chafie is one of the winners one of the winners and I want to give you an example here I want to just take a second and tell you kind of Tammy's 10 day story just a second. So Tammy is She Tammy's 51 years old 51 and Tammy if you're on here. I thought I saw you earlier I want you to put in the chat some some take away. You got um, I heard I learned how to do more than I ever imagined She goes I live the she goes. I love the challenge Love the motivation. I never thought I could do a burpee. I never thought I could do one burpee There's Tammy there. You don't know jeff. Okay, just making sure it's kind of weird. I just saw your name. I was like, oh my god Um, I did 51 of them since I was 51. Wow And hadn't done a plank in 10 years.  I'm gonna be honest with you. It's somewhat depressing to me That a 50 year old woman beats her 28 year old son in anything physically because Systistically that should never happen He's he's he's metabolically Hormonally set up to be stronger Men or woman doesn't matter like that's his prime And that's a big shout out to Tammy And She goes then she goes most of all I showed my kids my grandkids my customers that anything is possible And thank you for helping me be a better me. So I thought that was really amazing But here's the cool thing is why else I chose Tammy is that I saw her on here continuously I kept seeing her chime in and posting and commenting. That was the other reason I chose I chose Tammy is that she was constantly part of this whole process So Tammy big shout out.  There's a little bit bigger surprise coming too, but um, I'm gonna be sending you This little notebook, which is really really cool and the holy grail The holy grail. This is a product that you it's probably worth like a lot 50 60 bucks if you sold it It's pretty amazing very few people this ever existed let alone have it So you're gonna have that to you plus that little surprise you all hit personal the second person I'm gonna announce here is sarah sarah hilton All right, sarah So sarah, I've gotten to know sarah now over a little bit of time and if you don't know sarah here's got she got she got life In front of her she gets thing happening. She she's not necessarily um Uh, the roadmap of perfect health But what was really cool about sarah knowing What she had going on in her life You know, she's got she has challenged with headaches and so she can get literally Knocked down and like going through some challenges She kept coming and she kept showing up and more importantly sarah if you're listening sarah What I saw different and jennifer jennifer You can you can see this in you too sarah had times when she first started this journey even before the challenge Where her mindset wanted to go to the negative side of things look as they look at the glass half empty And what I saw through the challenge that inspired me and why you were the one of the first I chose You were in my mind because when I saw you post I saw your posting shift your energy shift to a positive to a glass half full Even though you're going through challenges You kept coming and showing up and started looking at the bright side of things Y'all we need more of that There's people going through life right now constantly and they want to pull you into the crap with them right Y'all I lost to use my arm for a little bit.  I couldn't wipe my own, but like that sucked Fortunately, I'd been through the ringer when I was younger and I realized listen There's my other two legs work my other arm works. I had to be good about that now sarah's got headaches Which I don't deal with headaches and I can't imagine what that's like and it could knock her out Like and really hold her down So sarah, I want to give you a big shout out number one for For for committing because I believe your commitment to this started changing your attitude towards the glass half full And you stay on that path. You're going to see that head start to change too with you. I promise you it's called It's called epigenetics. It's amazing. So what you get to win Is of course a pack of this amazing stuff. I have another surprise for you I'm not going to say it on the actual live because I want to be um Um Yes, anyway, and a cool shaker bottle. I don't know if you have a shaker bottle, but you're going to get this cool amazing shaker bottle Drink versus diet this awesome shaker box that's coming your way and then the last one Drum roll the last winner is another person that inspired me And y'all inspired me. I could literally pick a million winners, but y'all inspired me the last winner Is peg now peg Were you at peg? I just saw you peg broker now the other peggy. You're amazing too. I'm telling you don't don't hold just out down peg Honestly, I'm going to give you a big shout out 71 years old did 71 burpees mic drop Ray, I believe your husband's name is raised 83 years old They literally lost a backstreet boy between the two of them. They started this conversation They started this this journey back in this in november and december y'all. I am going to flat out tell you So there is an aunt peg. This is actually not and she or she's an aunt. This is actually not aunt peg This is peg broker. So it was a different peg aunt peg has dropped 120 pound plus Out of ahio. We love aunt peg She actually didn't do she did a different challenge with a different team But she was on her lives quite often the peg you showed up you showed up on the zooms You showed up in the lives. I want to give a shout out to katlyn. I want to give a shout out to Um, uh, kurtis. I want to give a shout out to donna.  I apologize all the cousins and cousins We have something special coming for you too. So hold tight All you cousins I want you to hold tight because you are leading away in a whole different gamut You all are doing something at a whole nother level and and that's really important You guys are part of a really cool community. I appreciate that but but peg I hit scott. I hit chris.  I'm gonna go for it And watching your your expressions load watching you work through the zoom and can't figure out the the volume and go I'm gonna still do it. I'm gonna figure this out and not give up That's what the challenge is about the challenge is saying I'm gonna go for it. Even though. I don't know exactly what I'm all doing Does that make sense? Truly truly truly inspire me, but I put this all together and what I when I chose these individuals I had to not only choose it based off of That they did it because a lot of people did all the stuff a lot of people most people did I'm not sure everybody did but most people did all the stuff But then I started looking at who contributed to the Form that we did now. I know some of you didn't have the form access and all that good stuff So I still put that as credit. Where are the posting? What was the energy towards it? What was the attitude towards the goal and towards the change and towards the challenge? So that's how I picked these names and these three individuals just kept Popping their heads out for me. They kept they kept going here that I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here But in each one of their situations, there's something they said To me specifically there's something they said directly that hit me here And so my winners Basically, it may oh, I'm peggy. I haven't figured out what I'm gonna. I'm gonna do yet peg You don't figure out what I'm gonna get you yet. I got something Not only are you getting the holy grail y'all? I don't have many of these left So I'm I'm trying to protect my holy grail Um, but you're not only you're getting a holy grail peg when I saw this I thought of you So It's one of our I we we do a lot of notebooks y'all. So we write a lot of notes I have literally like nine notebooks on my on my desk. I write notes all the time I don't write very clearly. I like to write because it helps me like program So this is a really cool notebook that's leather bound. So it's kind of has a little classy style to it I just thought it'd fit you. So I'm going to send you this notebook So you're gonna get this and a holy grail And if you guys want to swap it out, we can I mean I have like literally shaker But I have a lot of stuff. I have shirts and other things too So if you want to swap it out, let me know we can swap things out.   I I I respect that I respect that on a present because the challenge is about people growing It's about people shifting it's about people changing it's about people holding themselves to a higher standard Now if you do hit me and I say no you better respect that So everybody if you don't mind give a big shout out Please give a big shout out. Hey jessica. Give a big shout out to tammy To sarah and to peg all the pegs out there All the pegs out there. I mean honestly peg 71 years old my mom is 71 in a few way a few weeks and uh She wouldn't do that. She wouldn't She would find a reason not to and I love my mom because this has changed her life forever But I'm just I'm so more impressed.  I don't christy. I think um, she did I I got a video of her doing burpees and planks and wall sits literally in the office Um, I mean how cool is that? How cool is that? Like go for it you all and if you take two things that you learned and you keep moving forward to the next challenge I promise you in a one year your life changes forever I promise you one in one year your your your life changes forever And you can't take that away become the best version of yourself Inspire other people to do the same thing and most of people you're going to inspire the people you care about the most So I am so proud of everybody. I in such a big way and a big shout out to everyone else who showed up and tried Yes, you didn't just try you did you did but I'm willing to bet out of the sixth I think we had 60 people sign up for the challenge I'm willing to bet that only probably half actually did it the rest had a reason not to Now I'm not I'm not here to judge that what I am here to say is that it's easy to quit and it's easy to say No, and it's an easy way to stop it is easier to quit than keep going But when you keep going when you fall forward Your life forever changes and that's respectable to me and that's how you become the best version of yourself So y'all big shout out to everybody out there We're gonna wrap this up in just a second. I'm gonna wrap it up anybody have any questions for me Hit me a question. I'll answer them right now, but what we're gonna do now is we have a challenge coming up We're gonna do a team wide.  Come all Now there's a couple little groups that we're doing some private things. Iowa We're going to be doing a private challenge for you But if you want to get started right away start with the challenge right now start still july 8th market in your calendar, right july 8th Do the challenge with us on july 8th.   We are going to start the challenge We're going to do a team wide company wide hand hall hands deck challenge challenge challenge It's going to be 10 days right into the reboot. No july 8th. We're going to start the 10 a 10 day challenge 10 day challenge right into the reboot So on the july 8th, you'll start 10 days and then we'll go to the reboot july 8th We'll go 10 days into the reboot So you need a 10 day challenge and you need a reboot kit now if you have other product if you're a current customer You have other product fine. Just make sure you get your reboot kit Got it. Just make sure we're going to do a company wide 10 day challenge plus the reboot So it's actually like for it's like it's actually 12 days or almost 13 days Don't tell anybody but we're going to do high-level coaching from coaches all over the world The top coaches in the world are going to be there to coach you and they're going to challenge you They're going to push you we're always going to have the good better best We're going to get people at all different phases of their life to challenge themselves in different ways So if you don't like to run, you don't have to you don't like to push ups You don't have to we're going to give you an alternative to it We're going to give you a plan to follow and I promise you like peg like sarah Like tammy you're going to see your life change like billy joe You're going to see your life change like christie.   I'm in the challenge. I want to go Or get back to whoever has had you follow me anybody that's had you follow me I want you to get back to them and say I want to do the challenge I need to get the challenge kit and I need to grab a reboot kit cool thing is you can go to their referral code challenge calm their referral code that challenge calm and then you can add the challenge kit I recommend adding two challenge kits because you're gonna want extra ketones after it's over I'm just telling you and I recommend then you have the option to add the reboot add that reboot Let's go add that reboot and let's go add that reboot and let's go and it's going to be absolutely epic This is a beta test that we're gonna be doing as we're moving forward in the next two to three months So come one come all it's time for the challenge and I promise you you're gonna have some fun So hit me that message y'all if you I didn't see any questions. I'm just looking for all of you Right now in northern Iowa and southern Minnesota be tuned. We're coming to town. So I'm landing I land on the fourth ruin the Great Wolf Lodge on the fourth I land on the third going to Great West Lodge on the fourth on the fifth we're heading down to Fairmont, Minnesota Welcome Minnesota, and then on the eighth on the kickoff of the challenge hint hint hint on the kickoff of the challenge We're gonna do a complete blowout in a small town in southern and northern Ireland and northern Iowa We can go to Ireland too, and we're starting on the challenge on that date. So Jennifer It's a cool little sink and it's happening. And so we're gonna have literally 150 people in Iowa getting together Eating some food talking some keto talking about changing people's lives moving forward y'all. So it's on like donkey Kong so I'll see you guys in Iowa I'll see you all tomorrow night because tomorrow night at 915 same time we are gonna be doing a guest So if you know anybody that's interested in this challenge Anybody that you think that wants to change their life I want you to invite them to our lives right now It'll be a live on the keto pro on the keto pro on Facebook on the keto pro and tiktok You invite them tomorrow night, and I'm gonna be helping them Educate them on what the challenges how they can start now they can change your life So invite them tomorrow night to the guest live and remember when you do that You get you can get your product for free if you can you can join and become a promoter and get get paid to Share this conversation and all you have to do is invite them to live and I'm gonna go you got it I'm gonna go. I'm gonna get fired up. I'm gonna get my hair slick back I haven't showered since I've been back from Vegas yet. So I need to get in the shower It's been a crazy few days y'all give me a break and it's time to go So if you know anybody that wants to change your lives all you do is hey listen get on the on the zoom tonight Or the sorry the live tomorrow night and just if you want to see what I did to start changing my life Get on here and learn from this guy. He's gonna tell you what to do and guess what you're gonna get credit You're gonna get the free product. You're gonna get the commissions. That's how it's gonna work That's how it's gonna work So if you're into that and you want to keep this thing really simple invite to tomorrow night so tomorrow night We'll have a flyer go out. I'm gonna be pulsing on my social media Grab that flyer start sharing it out to your teams share it out to your friends and get people on tomorrow night Louise if you're still on I need to get that flyer. I think you send it to me I just have to repost it I'll be posted on my stories here shortly and then we're gonna send it out everybody via project I'll be via our text message to y'all so I am out by you all and I will be asking Peg And I'll be asking Sarah will get your addresses make sure you get right information and we'll be getting your your prizes to you as soon as possible Bye y'all cheers. Have a good night