great to see you all, lovely people in the chat as always, hey Aubrey, always a pleasure to see your lovely face and Jeff too and who else have we got and we've got the discord master or mistress is it I don't know what you'd say actually the discord aficionado miss Keely done, yeah these hour changes I wish we could all just agree on a time and either everyone change all at the same time or not but you bring up a good point there Keely obviously that New Zealand have got to I've got to go the opposite way because they're saving going the other way around so one of the things that I do is in this company where we are building this trading platform and one of the partners is in New Zealand database guru is in the UK I'm in Thailand another partner is in Thailand we're working with a data provider who's in Singapore which is Refinitiv but they've also got developers working on their side that are in India and our developers are in Pakistan so I'm managing all of these different time zones and yeah some people are going forward some people are going back and India is not on the hour they're like two and a half hours behind me or something like that and for some reason the half hour always catches me out I mean I like to think that I'm quite good at maths I mean this whole trading thing is all about you know algorithmic trading but somehow taking away two and a half hours still catches me out somehow so I don't know maybe I'm not good at my yeah two and a half times table anyway great to see you all I know well I think I think we're kind of I think we're kind of in agreement on the stream deck and the loop deck or rather on the loop deck in particular so I am going to yeah do a bit of a sort of comparison and I am going to be chopping the beginning of this again so I guess I should say in today's live stream we are going to be looking at the stream deck and the loop deck and I'm going to be sort of comparing the two I've had quite a lot of usage out of the stream deck and I've had the loop deck now for around about six months but only probably about two months of usage out of it so I'll come on to that as well but I'll go over basically why I like them what I like about them and where I see their sort of strengths are because they are although very similar devices they have got some things that are you know that one does better than the other so I'm essentially copping out here because I'm just using the two of them so here's my my Franken deck with my loop deck and stream deck just sort of held together with one of these iPad mini stands or well my iPad mini stand it's an iPad stand but that just sort of keeps them nicely together so I suppose I should say for anybody I know that everyone in the chat at the moment knows what these are but they're both devices that are basically USB devices that plug into your Mac or PC and they allow you to basically control things with the the different keys that you've got on here and all the keys are basically programmable some people say it's just a keyboard that's all it is it's a USB keyboard I think it's a little bit more than that because you can't really program in quite the same way as you can with with a regular keyboard you can sort of do it do it but there's a bit of a workaround so I do see this as a lot more than that it is a an automation tool amongst other things and it's a control device for your computer main differences between them are the stream deck has basically these buttons which are hard buttons that you can press in actual physical buttons that push in and go clunk to a certain point when you push them in and the loop deck has a screen on it where the buttons are basically touch screen buttons I'll come on to the reservations I had about that and why I was wrong in a moment about that but the loop deck also has something else which is it's got these these dials on as well so I've just realized how terrible the lighting is here but I think you can see this so this has got these these sort of dials that protrude out as well the the buttons whoopsie daysy look at that I just pressed the button I was just about to say you don't accidentally press the buttons but then I just accidentally have so I've kind of shown you one of the potential issues with it there but this one yeah this touch screen thing here you've got the the dials down here but then there are these buttons here that are physical buttons as well um so I'll just cover the different models as well just in case there is anyone new to stream deck and loop deck who's watching this again I know that you all lovely people in the chat are familiar with this but I'll just quickly go through the differences oh sorry the different models I should say so stream deck started out with this one the 15 key and by the way the one that I'm using here is the stream deck excel which we'll come to in a moment but this is the original stream deck and it had 15 keys and then they bought out a larger version which is the stream deck excel and the mini version the stream deck mini so this one's got 32 keys and this one has six keys the thing that was different as well about these apart from the size this one was kind of like stood at a sort of relatively flat angle on the desk there was a kickstand that sort of comes with it but it always felt a little bit sort of flimsy to me personally not particularly sturdy there you go and it just looked like a bit of an add-on really not in line with the quality of the actual device itself so with the stream deck excel and the stream deck mini they had this sort of moulded base to them now the stream deck does actually just pop off that in fact so if I just quickly show you this by the way is just sitting on the base of the the iPad stand but this does actually detach from the base so yeah pretty pretty hard to pull it out actually now that I've got it all wired in but so that was the the big sort of change with the stream deck excel and the stream deck mini the other thing was the cable actually unplugged from the stream deck so it's a USB-C into the device and then a regular USB going into your computer dock wherever it's going whereas with the stream deck original it was just sort of hardwired in so that was the sort of main difference with these so then they bought out the stream deck mark two which is basically the sort of similar concept to the other stream decks to the the excel and the mini where you've got this sort of moulded base to it so it's got this similar sort of look although it doesn't actually detach from the base so it's got different faces that you can put onto it but you are then stuck with it at that particular angle rather than the excel which can either be flat or not and I'll just pop this up because I always do on my live streams and if anyone fancy is popping in for a chat about this later I'll stick up my my join link so that is the stream deck let me come to this one in fact I was just not quite sharing that right screen was I that's what I meant to be sharing here we go so that is the excel that is the mini and then the stream deck mark two basically had this this base but like I said you couldn't change the angle of it now the loop deck in has been around in one form for quite some time and it was in this form which was basically all sort of hard buttons so not programmable as such and they were just just looking like this so this was primarily for sort of video editing and photo editing so you've got things in here to adjust like colour and things like that they're all basically so it's just designed for photo editing video editing and things like that so that is the original loop deck and it was called what was it called loop deck plus but then they relatively recently just last year bought out the loop deck live which is this one which is the one that I've got on my my setup as well and then we've also got the loop deck ct which is basically whereas the stream decks you've got different sizes of stream deck and they're essentially exactly the same you've just got more buttons either six buttons 15 or 32 whereas the loop deck live looks like this the one that I've got on my desk but then the loop deck ct is kind of like the loop deck live but with some different additional functionality added on to the bottom of it and it's got this big wheel down here which you could use for like a sort of jog wheel if you like in your editing timeline or for other controls that you want to and all these dials by the way are totally programmable so I'll come on to that in a little while but then yeah I couldn't see a use for this particularly myself so I just went with the loop deck live and these are just sort of fixed buttons so I saw the advantage of having all of this sort of I like I like it where you can actually see the logo of what it is or the icon rather of what it is you've created that you've put onto your your devices so we're talking about that in a little while as well but that is the three the three loop deck live and the three or supposed four of the stream deck and yeah so that's what I'm using I'm using the XL and the loop deck live so let's have a little look at well first of all I suppose I should tell you a little bit about my usage of them because I've been using the stream deck XL for a roundabout just coming up to a year it was basically about 15th of look at that about and then I give you a precise date it was around about the 15th around about the middle of April last year that I got it and it was when I was looking to start my YouTube channel my first video on my YouTube channel was on the I think 14th of May and so I'd sort of spent a month beforehand planning and getting everything ready for that and one of the things I did was bought the stream deck thinking that what I would use it for is for controlling Ecamm live to make all of my videos I didn't realize at the time of buying it just what a massive this is an overuse term but game changer the stream deck would be for me because it's just become an integral part of my productivity not just with my you know making my videos and things like that but just in general in day-to-day use on the computer it's been quite a revelation and I'm so pleased I got it I'm also pleased that I went for the XL I did try the mobile app first of all so I should also mention there is a mobile app available that you can try out and it's available on a subscription basis but there is a free trial so I got the 30 day free trial of the the mobile app and then just basically to try out the the concept you know of stream deck and how you program it and all that sort of stuff because you basically work with exactly the same desktop app which I'll be coming on too shortly and you work with it that exact same desktop app to you know program what all of the buttons do and so on and so I tried out the mobile app first thinking well if I give this a go for 30 days and if I like it I'll get the device I tried it out for about a day and then on day two I was like right I'm getting this so I bought the the XL and it was it's one of those things I think a lot of people get the smaller version and then realize that it can do more than they thought obviously there's I don't want to make any assumptions about budgets and things like that and maybe some people don't have all the use for it but I'm just pleased that I went for the larger version because certainly what I was originally doing with ECAM you know I thought well probably I could get away with you know just 10 buttons so the 15 should be enough but then when I realized all these other things and as you can see basically this is my this is my ECAM setup now for this video so this is like all of these things I use pretty much throughout the the the live stream and things like that so it is good to have all of this space personally and yeah I used to have it on my stream deck spread out over two different sort of screens two pages of in fact I still have got two pages there you go so I used to have my things spread out over two pages but now having the loop deck it's been good to just be able to add some into there so I don't really have to sort of change pages during a recording or during a live stream but I digress the point is I was really pleased that I had the went for the larger version because you probably will find that you have you find a use for them all so then I got the loop deck live I just looked at my video because I said I think I said in a video I made the other day in a live stream or something I said I think I got it around about December but then I didn't start you really using it properly until you know February or something like that it was actually the 31st of October was my loop deck live unboxing and I did the unboxing I plugged it in and it sat on my desk and didn't do anything for three and a half months it was literally sitting on my desk and I just wasn't using it actually a tunnel I was using it a little bit for there was some a built-in thing for photoshop so on some of the some of the brushes and stuff like that in photoshop I'd use the dials to adjust the size because it was quicker than doing it another way but generally I didn't go in and program it or do anything with it and this is quite strange for me because I'm a bit of a a bit of a tech nerd and I tend to just you know jump on to things and immerse myself in them and try and figure them out that's the way that you know like the way that I learned e-cam live the way that I learned everything really is just go and you know try everything try all the menus try all the buttons look at all the preferences go through everything sort of systematically uh until I sort of know it inside out and I'll do that in a matter of you know like if I get a new piece of software then I feel like I'm up to speed on it usually pretty quickly within like a couple of days or something like that um so it's really weird that I didn't do that with the loop deck and especially as it's like a hardware device as well so it's not just software but it's like this hardware device the build quality of it is brilliant it's it looks really nice it feels really nice it's a really great piece of tech so why did I not uh why did I not actually pick you know pick it up sooner or actually start using it when I paid for it and it was sitting like literally in front of my my face every single day it's it's it's quite quite strange I'll come on to that though when I come on to talking about the user interface speaking of build quality though I will just sort of talk about this they're both really well built devices this one has got more of a sort of metallic feel to it whoops a daisy there you go now you see I was going to tell you about how the touch screen isn't a problem because you don't accidentally press the buttons but today I've done it twice so I'll come on to that a bit later um but yeah so the the the feel of this it feels it's certainly a lot smaller it's a lot thinner as well uh it's perhaps you can't see because it's in this uh this is part of the stand that it's in but this is basically like I don't know half an inch thick something like that a centimeter and a half something whereas the stream deck is much bigger this is quite quite hard to see isn't it but this is much a much fatter device this one is the size that it feels like I could throw it into a laptop bag or something like that and not only does it feel like it would survive being thrown about a little bit because it does feel quite sturdy the the dials as well feel particularly sturdy as well um the the stream deck feels very solid but it feels like a brick basically so I wouldn't feel as comfortable about like I'm just going to throw this one in like a laptop bag or something like that I have taken it with me when I was traveling um but it was kind of like it was in my case and not something that I could easily have whereas like I say this one is is really a lot so it's more compact really um the actual functioning of them though they both feel great I mean these buttons feel solid like if I press this button here to say don't forget to like and subscribe it just really does feel like a nice feel to the the switch similarly all of the buttons here feel really really good and the dials as well I've just got a really nice or tactile feel to them these are by the way I'll come on to it but these are controlling volume so this is my volume in my headphones as I turn that up and down this one's controlling my mic level so as I turn that one down it should be turning my mic volume down for you or mic level down for you and they've got just a really nice feel there's a bit of a ratchet to them so you can actually feel the the the dials sort of clicking as you're moving them around just realize some things in the way there what's that there we go um so yeah they both feel really really really solid and and well put together but this one is just significantly more more compact um now I will come on to the screen because this is one thing where these are hardware buttons they are all in fact individual screens so all of the the icons there are icons that I've created for my e-cam live profile but they these are all basically a button with an individual little screen in it so you can actually change what's on here and in fact if I just come out of this for a moment you can see if I go to my little home screen we've got different icons there so you can do we can sort of change around this one's the same here you you have to set a button to switch profiles to change between these different different views I've got a whole video in fact it's one of my most popular videos which is all about profiles on stream deck and in fact it blows everything out of the water I think my highest number of views on any of my videos is about around about 3 000 but my one where I said I was wrong about profiles is 12 000 views so it's definitely my most viewed video on youtube um but it's basically because when I started using stream deck I organized everything hierarchically in folders because that's the way my mind works from a sort of file management point of view so I thought right well that's the way to do it and then I realized that actually doing things with profiles was probably a better way to go and so a profile is basically just like this that I'm in now is a profile this is my e-cam live profile and you can have multiple pages on a profile so I've got another page over here with some other things but then I can come out of this profile and go back to my home one so it's just basically like another another set of controls um but the the reason why this is um I'm probably getting a little bit ahead of myself here the reason why this works better than folders though is because um you can actually just set these links to jump between um different profiles so I'll come into that a little bit later because I do feel I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself but basically the way that you sort of navigate between your different sets of buttons is by pressing a sort of button to go between them whereas on stream deck sorry on loop deck you can sort of swipe across to go to a separate set of buttons within this view rather than needing a button itself to sort of switch between them so this is a an entire touchscreen but there is actually some little divisions on it so you've got these little sort of plastic lines going across and I've just done it again do you know what all of the time I've been using this I haven't actually inadvertently touched it but I suppose it's because now I'm just sort of demonstrating it and doing things that I wouldn't normally do um but certainly um it is uh I've just realized there is something definitely in front of that camera isn't there hang on a minute something some weird little black spot in front of this never mind um so um uh yeah the the touchscreen I was worried that I would inadvertently touch buttons and although I've done it three times today in normal use when I'm not just sort of putting my hands all over it it doesn't really yeah it didn't really happen so that was probably something that I was worried too much about that it wasn't really an issue the other thing I thought was are you going to inadvertently touch the wrong buttons so um with them it just been a touchscreen but like I say because it has got these this sort of grid across it um then there is something there to stop you from like inadvertently pressing the the one next to it so like this one here takes this on and off and so I'm not going to touch the one next to it because of this this sort of line there so that was something that probably wasn't something I needed to to worry about too much um and but I do miss the sort of clunk of the button to know that you have actually pressed it obviously you see the result of it if um you know something like this taking this one on and off I cannot obviously see the result but it's not quite the same as having the um the push of the button there is actually I've turned it off but there is this sort of haptic feedback so it will vibrate and give a little like when you press the button but that to me is just like it came through on the mic it was just a really annoying actually and although you had some level of control over I think um there was still no way to get it to stop coming through and so every time you would press it you just get this sort of loud uh vibration noise coming through from it so I found that pretty useless really for certainly for recording so I just turned it turned it off um you've also got quite like the way that with the the dials you've you've also got as well as these sort of dials here you can change the you've basically got sort of pages of dials if I swipe up then I've now got another six sets of controls so now this is for controlling my guess one two three and four on interview mode and if I swipe down on it then now I've got a whole different set of controls for this so you're not just limited to six you can actually have multiple sort of different pages of them um so there is obviously clearly some extra functionality that you've got in the in the loop deck that you haven't got in the stream deck with these dials and they have come in pretty useful really uh so what I thought would do is just have a look at the actual um uh the the software and compare the software because this really is coming into uh why I had a little bit of a little bit of friction should we say in terms of getting up and running with it but I'll just quickly come back and just check on the comments um ah you got the uh the faceplate but customized nice smart thinking there was something else I saw on Etsy I tell you the one that I saw on Etsy which really made me laugh was if there's a button that you like like say your end live stream you can get a faceplate that goes over the top of it that's got one of those little things to protect the switch so that you don't inadvertently uh flick it uh let me just have a quick look for it because it was quite amusing let's see I can't type and talk at the same time but I'll try and find this because it was quite an amusing little thing and having pressed the the button on my stream deck several times wrong I did find another way around this but it did it did make me laugh so here you go this is the the emergency button that covers up one of your stream deck buttons so like when you want to end your live stream you have to little flick up this little one here first I thought that was quite a genius idea um so uh let me have a little look where are we um oh hello Joanne nice to see you uh was it easy where have you gone there you go uh thank you very much I uh thank you very much for the feedback uh yeah I spent a while actually animating my little intro that I did which I now don't use I still use it on my live stream because I feel it sort of punctuates the end of the actual titles or the sorry the countdown um so this one here I spent quite a while animating that in keynote and now I've decided it is totally super fluster requirements so I'm taking out of I'm not just stopping using it in my videos but I'm actually going back through all of my old videos and I'm going to take it out and see if it makes a difference with retention rates in my videos but thank you very much I appreciate that I'm not dropping the logo just the animated title thing I know it's the it's the breaking news it's the breaking news uh Alec is a tech nerd um I didn't glue the base of them though but it sort of sticks quite well because the um the um the stream decks got these little rubber feet on it anyway and the base of that thing is pretty yeah pretty big so I find that if I just I've just turned it down and confirm a button uh so now I've just basically uh it's just sitting on the on the bottom of that base there we go it's just sitting there like that but it does seem to stay there and with it in this sort of position um then as I'm pushing it it's kind of like held in place by this the loop deck as well so it doesn't ever sort of move from there these two are pretty solid and that uh that state actually uh the state the uh the stand actually is a um a pretty solid and heavy stand as well I'll drop a link to that in the description after because it is pretty uh it's a pretty a pretty decent stand I've got another one coming for my iPad because that's what this was originally for and then I realized it would be perfect for the the loop deck so that's what that is um let's have a little look um ah so yeah ah yes that's the one who made your white one as well yeah it's it's pretty good as a to prevent you ending your live stream early I've since done that with in fact actually what I've done now what I did do was I was looking for some crazy way to automate this over engineering it as I often do with using keyboard maestro to uh basically make allow me to double tap the button uh for uh on stream deck to end my live stream so that I didn't inadvertently press it uh like just once so I have to press it twice and then somebody in the econ group mentioned about just create a folder although I don't use folders but for this case it works really well create a folder on your stream deck um and then within that folder in the same position as the folder you have your end live stream button so in that case when you want to end your stream you have to hit the folder button and then hit the end button so it adds that double uh stop uh security uh what I've actually done now though is I have actually ended uh added my sort of end live stream and end uh video is is this button here so it because it's one of the sort of hard buttons that's on the uh the stream deck it's out of the way out sorry on the loop deck it's out of the way so I'm not going to inadvertently press that because I'm not ever going to have my fingers around there they're always using these controls here or down here um so it's out of the way that I don't inadvertently press it but at the same time it's easy to find just by you know I can just do it down here um and incidentally that's another thing about the stream deck and loop deck um I always felt like with this one not having these hard buttons whereas with here I can always find sort of my way around certainly you know anything that's like in these top sort of three up here you can just feel by knowing like okay it's this bottom one I always know that goes to back to my main shot and then the one over to the right is back to this shot and I've got all my scenes down here uh these are all my different overlays so my uh like and subscribe my barmy coffee all that sort of stuff see what I did there very slide maneuver uh my other ones like this like my uh my join my discord okay all my links get them all out of the way now so those are all basically though down at the bottom of here so I know where those are I've got my pro mouse controls over here uh and then some other different scenes and stuff so I can generally find my way around here but when you get into the middle you tend to find yourself looking down to make sure you're getting in the right spot uh in any case so this thing about the loop deck of not being able to sort of feel my way around it I still find that I tend to look down anyway for most of the actions on the the stream deck apart from the ones that are just in these sort of corners um but this one I can always locate because it's just basically put my hand there I can feel it um so um uh I'll just quickly answer this one uh so have you done any videos about using keynote in creative ways I've done quite a lot of videos about using keynote with um uh ecamm live for creating uh we don't really need to use it for like overlays with borders and stuff like that anymore um but certainly using keynote as a um in conjunction with ecamm live but actually one of the ways of using keynote is to make stream deck icons so I'll I'll come on to that a little bit later actually because that's how I've made basically all of the icons that you can see on my stream deck I've made in keynote and in fact let me just pull that up because it's a really there's loads of built-in icons I've tended to actually draw all of my things in any case just in keynote um so I'll I'll just I'll just get up keynote and show you the file that I've got for all of my my icons um because I do find it really easy to work in and all you do is basically I'll show you if I open up this one second let me come back over to here lazy come over to this one here we go right so I'll just need to adjust the size of this this is going to I've not got a yet sharing window set up for quite the right size of this but this should still show you let me get this message down off the screen there we go um so what I need to do is just zoom out from this a little bit zoom out from the zoom icon so all I've done in in keynote is I've gone into document and then where you've got the slide size um usually it'll just say standard four by three or widescreen 16 by nine in fact the default is widescreen 16 by nine um but you can also say custom slide size uh and then the actual size of the icons on a stream deck is I think 72 pixels by 72 um I can't remember exactly what it is on the loop deck but I've basically just future proofed it and made these quite a lot larger than they need to be so I've just done 500 by 500 I think I've got another file with where I did it 400 by 400 um and so uh yeah these are basically all of my zoom icons uh sorry my um stream deck icons and if I just changed the view to uh slide only uh whoops a daisy no not that one I want to change it to this one light table so here you can see these are all my my icons that I created for uh stream deck and these are kind of these these are my zoom ones uh and then these are all my ecam ones so I have these ones and by the way there's two colors here uh so with stream deck you can uh let me just let me just I'll jump jump back here in a minute I feel like I've just uh jumped a little bit ahead so if anybody's just starting to get into stream deck I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here I'll jump back to this afterwards because this is got there's a good point here about these uh two tone ones so uh let me have a little look um this is the stream deck interface um and here you can see that this is the scene that I'm in at the moment so if I just come into demo mode the way that I the way that I use my uh uh might do my screen sharing in ecam this is my demo mode so this is what I'm seeing on my computer at the moment I've got my uh Lily put teleprompter monitor above my main monitor but this is my main monitor um and it's quite it's quite large so this probably looks all very small to you but over on the the top uh top left over here uh this is sort of one area of the screen and then I've got another area of the screen here that I use for screen sharing I've got another one down here that I use for screen sharing so these are sort of my I've sort of split the screen in with my head into a grid of six basically two three at the top and three at the bottom I keep all of my ecam stuff down at the bottom and then if I'm recording videos as opposed to doing a live stream I also look at this area just up in the top middle and treat that as an area and then what I've done in ecam is I've set up screen sharing for all of these different areas so if I come out of demo mode for a moment that's basically what these um these represent so this is like me sharing my sort of top left of the screen this is me top center of the screen top right of the screen and the bottom right of the screen so here you can see basically that I'm in this top right which is where my stream deck is and then if I came to the this one down here my bottom right this is where I've got my loop deck screen sharing and then this is back over to the the one that was at the top left which is where I've put my my keynote so that's what these scenes represent these or these icons represent and the good thing about the ecam plug-in is that you can assign basically for scenes you've got two different colors that you can use or two different icons so you can add in icons here here for either when the scene is active or when it is inactive and what that means is when you look down at the stream deck you can actually see which scene you're on so it means that if I'm just glanced down at it I can see that this is the active scene so that I don't sort of you know I know I know where to press or not press with the loop deck it doesn't actually do that it's just a minor little difference between them but it doesn't do that on the loop deck so you basically only have one icon for the the button where did the the icons for zoom come originally so I just I actually just made them so if I come into here if you mean these ones let me just come back by the way my zoom icon pack I should say is available on my store take one tech.io slash store they're actually in blue in zoom colors if I just come back over here so these are the icons that I created for zoom and I yeah I just drew them in here they have come from they've got some similar icons themselves so I sort of took inspiration from that but like these ones for this one switching between single view or panel view copying the invite opening up the chat window opening up the participant window all that sort of stuff so I have got these as well these are the ones that if you go to my website and get the icon pack from there then it's got them as basically just in in zoom blue but me being a little bit ADD or OCD rather I should say it's a case of I wanted these to all match when I was in my e-cam so I've got different profiles with different colored icons so that they all match oh thank you Carly I've just noticed you just dropped the link in thank you very much much appreciated so yeah if I come over here in my yeah my my profile if I go on to the next page then here I've got my zoom ones I still haven't done my discord icons I've started them I haven't finished but there will be a discord mute button here as well so yeah because I wanted them I just have this thing of they've got all look consistent so my zoom buttons that I have in conjunction with these buttons have all got to look the same anyway I'm digressing somewhat so this is the interface for for stream deck and this comes on to the the reason I think why I was so late in actually starting to use the loop deck from when I bought it like it literally sat doing nothing for three and a half months the interface of stream deck for me feels really intuitive I mean it's it couldn't really be that much more simple for the complexity of what it can actually do so like if I just delete this thing from here for a moment so the way that you do it is you've got these different plugins down the side there is some for stream deck actions I've got a whole series of beginners guide to stream deck so I'm not going to go over the full thing but I'll just give a brief introduction you've got some things related to stream deck so like creating actions there's one here showing the page so when you've got different pages so if I just drag this on it will if I come here page indicator that would just tell me I'm on now on page one if that was on page two it would say page two and so on there's various different things here multi-actions so you can sort of string things together to do some more complex automation and stuff like that then you've got stuff related to the system so and a soundboard is to play sounds system here though is a website so there you just put in a url press the button and it'll open up that url so if you've got some you know websites that you visit often you can just do that hotkey so if there is keystrokes that you use like you know command c for copy command v for paste all that sort of stuff you can just come in here assign a keyboard shortcut command c so that is now a copy button and it's just really easy to program from what to my mind I found it just really intuitive it's basically just drag and drop and you are good to go with it and it's as I say it's as simple as it could be I think so you've got these different plugins down the the right hand side so there are plugins for things like discord did I mention my discord server if you're not already in there take one take the io slash discord so it's about as easy as you could get to just sort of drag and drop things across and like I say it's got these actions for lots of different applications so we've got the zoom plugin powerpoint keynote so that means that you can control these things sort of in the background so here you can control your keynote slides if you're using ecam you can advance keynote slides sort of in the background without coming out of ecam or without coming out of whatever else you're doing and because I feed my keynote slides into ecam live then that's in fact what you can see these two buttons here are for these are actually forwards and backwards with keynote slides and and by the way you when you drag them on they will have an icon assigned to it so this is next slide but then you can just come and change the icon to whatever you want so that's what I've done with with mine and yeah because you've got so many different plugins and I mean I've got to say this I say this every time I think every single video I've made about ecams stream that integration look at all of these different actions that you can do in ecam live it is just phenomenal it is really amazing now the zoom one by the way the zoom one when you look at it it doesn't look like it's actually got that many actions so there's like what about 10 something like that here that you can do but in actual fact you can use this custom shortcut here and you just drag that one in and then anything in zoom where there is a keyboard shortcut assigned to it and you can add the shortcut here and what that allows you to do is you can then be controlling zoom in the background so whereas if you just use the regular stream that keyboard shortcut you have to make sure that the application you're trying to control is the active application and there is a little bit of a way around that to sort of bring it to the front but you don't necessarily want to bring the application to the front if you're doing something like say I'm in a zoom meeting and I'm sharing something in excel or something like that as I often am on my sort of zoom meetings then you you may want to control your zoom meeting but not actually come out of the thing that you're demonstrating or not come out of ecam live if you're using ecam into zoom or whatever it happens to be so this allows you to basically go through and add in the keyboard shortcuts and if you get my zoom icon pack I actually have the profile ready made with all of those shortcuts pre-entered but what this tells me is this is just lazy programming on zoom's part really isn't it because they're basically saying here are some of the actions and if you want the rest of the actions that you can perform in zoom go and make them yourself that's that's what this button is telling me it's like they couldn't be bothered to actually make them whereas ecam have just made absolutely everything that they can think of and you know at times people will ask for something and it will just appear in the next the next release I mean this was one of them switch profile people had asked for that and then it just actually came the in the next update so they're constantly adding new new buttons to here whereas if you look at any other app I've just mentioned zoom but I won't just pick on them there's plenty of other ones if you look at like powerpoint we've got a few in there and keynote I mean there are plenty of other things that you could actually have in there I have got a keynote icon pack as well actually which is to control the let me just quickly show you that one where's it gone so this one is my keynote icon pack oh no it isn't hang on a minute I've gone into the wrong one there that was my that was something else there's my keynote one so I use this one when I'm actually creating slides in keynote or creating things of but this one you need to or I use with keyboard maestro so it actually performs these actions but yeah so these are for like sort of alignment tools grouping and stuff like that just common actions that I use when I'm creating like drawing the icons and things like that or creating slides then I'm often using these tools to sort of combine shapes and intersect shapes and all that sort of stuff flipping things grouping things all that and then I've got another page here that's all related to text and stuff like that so that's my my keynote pack but you can see there's quite a lot you can do in there and in fact the full zoom pack is is it this one that's another random one I've got there you go so this is the the zoom pack with all of the different things that I've created in there so all of this is to say that yeah ecam are just giving you everything whereas some of the others are having to you're having to really sort of work to to get in all of those actions but that said there are so many different plugins available so if I come into here just clicking up at the top this is the store and then when you come into the store there is this section over on this side called plugins and there's actually a load more that I just haven't got or haven't used so if you come down here these are all the different plugins you've got and so here this is one for lighting control by Elgato so if you use Elgato lights then you can control them all from stream deck obviously Elgato makes the stream deck so you would hope there would be integration there twitch studio if you use twitch then you've got this one here you can use this one is CPU displays the current CPU usage I actually use iStat menus in my menu bar on my Mac for that so I don't don't need that displayed on there there's also another twitch one here by Elgato it tells you the name of the plugin and then who's made it as well so anything by Elgato is by the actual manufacturer of stream deck but there's loads in here zoom plugin IQ I'm not sure what IQ is actually and discord all these sorts of stuff so there's lots of different plugins that you can get so what that means is there's loads of sort of pre-built actions that you can get and if you use any things here's one of my favorites keyboard maestro if you're using any of these things like wire cast not sure what tippy is but these different things Lumia that's another one for lighting as well then you've basically got ready-made actions that you can drag in and this is one of the things that you don't really get quite in quite the same way on the on the loop deck so let me just come and show you the loop deck interface by contrast so over here it looks quite simple quite similar I should say in terms of we've got a picture of the device and then we've got actions over on this side and the thing that is missing on this is all of the plugins that's the that's the the issue with it and although when you actually get it to start with you'll start up in something like this hang on a minute now why is that not working out there we go you have this thing called which is on by default dynamic mode and you'll see that there are these different sort of profile setups so there's one for After Effects, one for audition, Capture One, Econ Live, Final Cut, Illustrator, Lightroom and Teams so and there's one for zoom I think actually as well these are sort of default profiles that are just already there and ready so if I was to switch to let me switch to like Illustrator there's some that just seems to be showing there at the moment actually if I switch to Illustrator then it's got this with different Illustrator controls on it all pre sort of set up but what these are is it's not entirely sort of a it's not entirely easy to add in new profiles so like for this one here although we've got the all the Adobe Illustrator things in here there isn't like a store as such where I can go and look for things for other applications so you are quite limited with it it also has this thing dynamic mode switched on as a default which means that as you are switching between different apps it is switching profile on the loop deck which you might think sounds you know quite useful and perhaps it is useful for you but not for the way that I use the loop deck because I often using it with Econ Live or if I'm on zoom or something like that where I want to be able to I'm doing something where I'm demonstrating something in another app so like if I'm in if I'm doing a demonstration in or let's say I'm just on a zoom call showing something in Excel I wouldn't want to be switching to my Excel loop deck profile whilst I was on the call because I'm trying to demonstrate something I still want to have control over the call so I don't like this thing where it sort of jumps around from one thing to another so the first thing I did was switch that off and then I just created my own profile then you've got in the same way that we had sort of stream deck there's some stuff related to navigating stream deck and system controls we've got the same sorts of things here so this one that says desktop but then rather than seeing the actions as we did on stream deck where they were all just listed it sort of tries to group them and I can see why that might make sense to group them so we've got some different controls related to activating specific applications but then it's listed all of the applications that you can use with with with this so like activate audition means open up audition activate illustrator activate photoshop so whereas with stream deck this is just one button or one action that just says open and then you can open either an application you can open a folder you can open a file here it's been like specific about all the different applications so I think there's a bit of like bloat in there shall we say with you know actually manually listing all of these rather than it just being like an open command and with them being in these folders it's sort of a little bit harder to to find and not necessarily as intuitive as they may think the other thing that is a little bit strange about this is that everything is listed alphabetically now that might sound totally logical of course you want things listed alphabetically but when you come into things like ecamm for example one of the things you can do is you can run your scenes so here I can run my scenes whereas in stream deck it lists the streams in the order that they appear in your scenes window in ecamm live so it makes more sense to me to know that right well the one that I have at the top of my list in ecamm is you know my my intro scene and then my main scene and so on and I've got some that are group that are quite close together that I know that they would be all together whereas in here they appear to me to be random although they're actually in alphabetical order I don't know why to me it just doesn't actually feel as intuitive you would think that alphabetical would be with the way to go but it just doesn't seem to work for me because then I'm sort of jumping up and down in my visual list that I have over on the on the ecamm but that's not ecamm that's just the way that the loop deck actually organized this stuff and then it's like the the grouping of it in folders again they've just gone into they've detailed everything in the list so here for example let's have a little look at one of these in fact let me come back to this one or in fact case in point there would be scenes so they got run scene and then you just got a list of all the scenes whereas in stream deck it's literally just one button that is run scene let me just show you by comparison so if I come over to my stream deck and I'll just delete this button from here so if I come into ecamm live we've got this button here which is run scene and I'm just dragging that across because that's what I know that I want to do I'm just dragging across run scene that is the action that I want to perform and then I just come here to this little drop down and then it's listing all of my scenes in the order that they appear in the menu so this is in the the window that I've got in ecamm so they're all in the order that I've put them in including these ones are all in a little folder so they're just sort of indented because they're in that folder and so on so everything is organized the way that I've organized it and it just feels a lot more intuitive and these are all just tiny little things but these are the reasons why I took so long to actually get into using loop deck because it didn't feel intuitive although you would think on paper it should be more intuitive because everything's alphabetical right it just didn't work that way for me so that was a little bit a little bit weird or a little bit odd but then like now if I want to add in some other plugins so you can come here to manage plugins and then you can select which ones that you want so so these are the plugins that I can add like let's say in this profile I want to be able to control ecamm live so I want to have some ecamm live stuff going on here but what about if I want to actually add in those zoom controls because there is a zoom profile as well that came ready made on it well if I come to manage plugins here you can see how I've got the ecamm live one showing up so that's why that shows there and I can access all of those controls if I was using twitch I could add the twitch one just like that click on okay and then now you see it's got the twitch and I can get to all of those controls but where are the photoshop controls where are the illustrated where's the zoom controls where's the microsoft teams controls they're not in here because it isn't classed as a plugin or something so if I come over to my microsoft teams here so this is these ones here were all built in these are all just built into to loop deck so if I change to my teams profile which was built in here you can see there are some actions here for for teams but it's not actually a profile they've just literally created for you the shortcuts and they've done it using custom actions so all of the ones that appear like their profiles like it's a profile for illustrator lightroom audition and stuff like that those companies haven't made plugins for it it's literally just here these are custom actions so this thing here is a list of where we've got the ones for the os we've got here the ones for sort of navigating the stream deck you've also got this one custom actions where you can make your own custom actions and so basically for all of these profiles what they've done what loop deck have done is they've just gone in and they've made the a whole series of custom actions but what that means is you can't actually call those from any other profile so if I go like all of these things here select week select day you can see that this is I'll show you how these work but these are all these actions that I can now use with my with this teams thing so start a new conversation filter messaging calls all these things that are to control teams are now sandboxed in here and if I go over to this one I mean I could technically come in and copy them and copy them out but it's just not intuitive so let me come over to ecum live so let let me just show you on here so what I've got in here is you've got these plugins along the top so this one here is for the desktop this is basically all system things so if you want to you know you can do things related to the clip board like I mean look at all these different actions related to the clipboard it could just be a clipboard action and then you select it afterwards it's just it feels not intuitive to me you've got keyboard controls here but again it's like a whole whole list of them like you know press key zero press key one press key two press key I mean it's just a massive list press key b now this is where this alphabetical thing just sort of doesn't make sense to me you would think that if you were going to list out all the keys like a to z they would be grouped together a to z but no arrow key up it comes before b and all of these other arrow keys come after the letter a so you end up with a is there then you've got all these other ones here and then you've got b and then you've got the back back tab break and then it comes to c and then clear it just is not it's not intuitive at all for me personally um so that is again just this reason for this friction um so then that this is for like the os so controlling things on the os these ones are for navigating so in uh workspaces are a little bit like profiles uh and you can sort of navigate between them so in the same way that on the stream deck I was pressing a button to jump back and forth between these different profiles you can control those with here with this as well and by the way these controls you can literally just sort of drag them and drop them onto the button is so it is drag and drop in that respect just like the stream deck is um and then this one here is the ecamm live let me just get rid of that twitch one because I don't use twitch um but this one here is custom controls and this is where you can create your own custom controls now this is useful this is something that I'm using but what is is strange is just the the fact that I can't access all of those great custom controls that they have created um in you know elsewhere um but like I said I could sort of copy them individually across but it's just not intuitive that way um so you can create these custom actions and it's a bit the same as you can create uh multi actions in stream deck um again let me just show you how to do it in stream deck because this will show you again the friction that I had with it and it just did not feel intuitive so let me just create a little space here if I want to create a multi action I right click create multi action like that and so now we've got this little multi action button that is the icon for a multi action button so if I want to edit that you can see here how many actions are in that multi action so I'll click in here and now basically it says here drag an action from the right and drop it here simple as that these are all the different actions just as we did before but instead of dropping them onto the the button itself we can just drop them here so let's say uh well I can tell you one that I have is for my my end scene what I do is I run scene this is for ecome live and I want to go to my end scene so I have a specific scene that is like for the ending when I um at the end of my youtube videos you get 20 seconds on youtube where you can put those little you know these videos are coming up next um so what I do is when I want to end my video I want to first switch to my end scene then I want it to wait 20 seconds and then I want it to end the broadcast so that gives that means it's flick to that last scene uh there's a 20 second which is the time that it takes for my sort of end scene to run and by the way what I mean by that is this one here so this thing where I say watch these videos next um so I have it flick to that scene which is this one end screen I then have a delay of 20 seconds and you can add in delay if I come to stream deck there is this option here to add a delay so I put that there uh stream deck and loop deck are the same they uh measure time in milliseconds so 20 seconds is actually 20 000 milliseconds and then what I want it to do is after it's waited 20 seconds then I want it to end the broadcast so that's this option here the go live button in ecamm if you're not recording is go live and if you are recording it changes to end so this little multi action basically is now going to switch to my end screen it's going to wait 20 seconds and then it's going to end okay so let's look at doing the same thing in loop deck because it's not as intuitive as just sort of dragging and dropping things so now there we go I've got that that that button there is just like my this is going to end my video uh and then when I'm in youtube I just go and add in those little end end screen things if I want to do the same thing in loop deck I come over here to the uh the custom controls uh what's it called I might have got the name wrong there a custom action actually sorry um and then you come down to these three dots and then I say I want to make a new something um a new what is it now a new macro um yeah I think it's a new macro here in is the issue so let me just double check this I don't want a group a custom adjustment is for the um for the dials so a custom adjustment is to change something on the dial so I've got some for that and by the way just uh quickly you can see that the ones that have this little dial symbol that means it's something that is this can be assigned to the little dials on the loop deck whereas the ones that have got the button the sorry the finger pressing something that is ones that can be assigned to the the buttons um so this one I think is is it just called a new macro or is it shortcuts let me just double check that uh oh no shortcut is for um actually a keyboard shortcut so I don't want that one I do want I think it is the new macro uh already not as immediately obvious isn't it so what I can do here is this is basically saying new macro so now I can add a shortcut um but I don't want to add a shortcut I want to add an action don't I so here we've got this button here this is where I can either record a shortcut I can add a modify key or if I click on this one then rather than selecting shortcut what I can do is say um action okay so now that's going to change it to an action so now I can drag the action there this is so overly complicated I mean um I like tech stuff but I think that this they've made this interface a little bit harder than it needs to be so now I'm going to change over to my ecamm live here and I want to go to my scenes because I want to switch scene I'm basically just recreating exactly what I did before uh now here I want my end scene uh and in this case maybe actually the uh the alphabetical might work well so end screen there we go so now I'm just going to drag this option down here okay so now we've got uh end screen is selected um now what I want to do is I need to um uh I don't want to add a yeah I want to add a time here so what does that need to be let me just do this add action um it will be an action actually because it will be a timer won't it so let me come into I'm guessing this one will be in the uh will it be navigation let me have a little look no it won't be navigation it will be date and time I'm not deliberately making this look complicated I just can't remember where things are and because you've got these massive long lists of things like this um it's hard to actually find the thing that you're looking for um so let me find the timer oh it might be in this one might it let me have a little look it's like I'm going to cheat I'm just going to actually look out here what I did discard changes how did I get that oh there's a function in there delay okay so the the actual function is in the uh in here itself so let me just try that again so here we had to go I see it's built into there so it's not an action it's actually built into here okay so what we need to do is uh come here we go to action I'm just having to do this again because I just lost my place then so we come into e-count we come to scenes um I love I love the stream the loop deck once it's set up but I just found this it was like every time I came to start looking at it because I tend to like just dive in into stuff making some progress and then I don't always you know I don't like sort of spend all day doing it um and I just found every time I came to jump into this to do something originally for the first three and a half months um it didn't it didn't work for me so it's it's added in the end screen there and it's added this drag action I don't want that I want to be able to change that so I've got to actually delete this one and then I've got to add in action again but then I've got to come in here to change it to delay and then from here I'm going to change the delay to 20 milliseconds like that and then I want to add another action which is going to be now another scene so that needs to be an action and then I need to add the oh no sorry it is it is an action but it's not a scene it's the end so now what I have to find is in ecamm where is the end uh control I'm guessing go live so that's it okay so that is now if I were to save that like this uh and give it a name uh I'll just call this uh end demo well that was hard work wasn't it that was hard work so there you go now I've got this one so I've now got my end demo and this is exactly the same as this end recording but I've done this before and I still couldn't find a way to do it just then like straight off I find it really just not intuitive at all that is just for me it might work better for other people's not other people's way of thinking but that just felt like really labored and hard work and I would I promise I wasn't intentionally trying to make a point here it was just that's that's just how I find it all the time um there is some there is some good things here so I also use it for my uh screen zoom this one I found quite good so when I'm in live demo mode if I come into my live demo mode like this um then you have got this uh screen zoom feature so I can zoom in on different parts of the screen uh and what I've uh done is I've assigned that to a button so I can zoom into a part of the screen but then the dial is actually what I'm using to zoom in and out so it means actually pushing the dial in I can zoom in on the screen like that and then if I once I've zoomed in on the screen I can adjust the the sort of the zoom uh with that so that was uh that's one thing that I find quite useful uh specifically for ecam is this screen zoom and I've done a video about the you know using the accessibility feature it was uh it wasn't it wasn't me figure this out smarter people than me figured it out um to use the built-in max accessibility zoom feature to sort of zoom in on the screen um the thing that was a bit of a work around here is with the dial let me just show you something else complicated that feels a bit more complicated so with this screen zoom um what you can do is in the same way that you can add a an action from a button um any of the actions that you've got um so with as mentioned some of the actions are rotating and so one of them was for like the the buttons and things one of them was for um mouse and you've got this here uh you can simulate either a mouse click um but you can also simulate things like um here we go like dragging the mouse but holding a modifier key so obviously it lists every single possible permutation of this rather than just having you select from a drop down which one you want so you've got drag mouse horizontal left drag mouse horizontal left plus the command key drag mouse horizontal left plus the control key plus the option key plus the shift key uh it just takes up so much space it would have been a lot better to just say the direction plus the modifier and you just sort of select it but what you can also do is it's got like the scroll wheel plus holding down a key well when i'm in my uh when i'm doing that screen um sorry that zooming the way that you do that is hold down the control key and then move the scroll wheel that's how i sort of zoom in and out if i'm doing it with the uh with the mouse so i figured that for the uh the click wheel the way to do it would be to use the uh the sort of mouse scroll uh plus the control key because that would then simulate holding down the control and the mouse scroll so when i use the the dial on my um on my loop deck it would zoom in and out for some reason it didn't actually work um and there was i don't know quite why i don't know whether that's something to do with it being an accessibility feature or something like that but fortunately with that particular feature there is um uh also you can also do it using the control and option and the number pad so what i did was i created um this little macro here or a little they call it what do they call it an adjustment um so here we've got basically if you rotate the uh the dial um anti-clockwise then it simulates the command plus option plus the number pad minus sign and then if you rotate it clockwise it simulates command option and the number pad plus sign so that means that for every one of those little increments i mentioned that these dials have got like a sort of little ratchet feel to them so it means that for every one of those little increments that you move it it's going to simulate pressing command option number pad plus and minus and by the way it doesn't work um with the uh keys on the uh the the you know the top of the keyboard it does seem to have to be the one on the number pad itself um but that now means that i can actually do that thing of uh yeah just sort of actually scrolling in and out with my uh my loop deck key in fact if i switch over to this view and i'll zoom in on that part of the screen wherever it is so you can see that i'm actually scrolling the uh the screen uh using the uh the dial on the uh i'll stop doing that before i make you all sick on the actual um loop deck itself so that this is where i've got that assigned and pressing the button here uh just sort of toggles the so the these dials by the way i forgot to mention that they can rotate but they can also push in as well so this one is like push to initiate the zoom and it will just zoom into the last zoomed uh you know the last level of zoom um and then this turning it like this is actually what's going to control like this sort of fine adjustment same for these ones as well i've got so these are my uh mic for example and then if i press it like that um and then sound effects and stuff like that so uh i do really like the functionality of the um the loop deck it's just the the programming of it i found a real uh friction point for me uh now that i've got it set up i'm not really using it for anything this is basically the profile that i use on my loop deck anything that i'm wanting to do like oh i've just got something quickly to do i'll always revert to the stream deck because it's so much more so much quicker to do uh let me just have a quick catch up with where we are in the chat because i realize i've been yacking away i'll just have a quite a lot going on in here hang on a minute uh thank you very much carly i see you've been dropping um uh dropping lots of links in thank you very much i appreciate that um uh jeff did i ever get anywhere with the developer of your i guess you mean pro mouse uh the thing that i use for my pointer um i didn't get anywhere with them in that they never responded so uh it would be good if they respond because there's definitely people have got issues with pro mouse i've always been in two minds about taking down the the videos about them because i've had you know a substantial number of people uh well a substantial number at least five or six people that i know you know close to me that have said it's not working for me so uh it just always works for me it's a bit weird that one um oh let's have a little look i did some work around things using powerpoint but i have keynote to and need to utilize it great idea where did you get those oh sorry i've already read that one i'm sorry i think i must have i must be going a bit too far back here um yeah i prefer i prefer keynote i did so much stuff in powerpoint um but then um and the thing with powerpoint is if you're working with other business folk it's kind of like the the the the go-to for these things so um yeah i still have to do some stuff in powerpoint but i actually prefer the working of keynote um let me have a look thanks carly again for posting all the links um and the link to the discord as well look at this we've got a yeah we've got a link posting battle hey todd great to see you i was feeling it i always get a little bit of a little bit of a christmas spirit for obvious reasons when i see your your name pop up um let's have a little look hello uh i cast enterprises i don't think i know your name i don't know if i've asked you before sometimes i ask and then i forget but uh drop your naming as well so that i can uh say hello properly but yeah i've got a whole playlist actually on on stream deck um so there is yeah i forget how many videos i've got but uh on my channel most of the videos uh the the majority are um ecamm live and next after that is stream deck so i think i've got about 80 ecamm videos and i don't know about 40 stream deck ones or something like that and i only set up my channel to really cover um like mac productivity apps and tech and stuff like that um but then i was using the stream deck and ecamm live in order to make my videos and as i started using them i just fell in love with them and that's why i that's what all my videos were about because you kind of i make the stuff that i find interesting and is top of my mind and so it was always stream deck and loop deck but yeah i've got a whole stream deck playlist with lots of lots of stream deck content and my beginner's guide actually is quite popular so that's just basically five videos to start from start to just getting people up to speed with it as well um let's have a look um ah yeah so that that multi action one i'll show you a couple of my other ecamm ones actually that i use on stream deck because i've got a couple of multi actions that i use i'll come to that in a moment um well to be honest carl um uh keely um i didn't go i didn't go anywhere for three and a half months i just i just didn't send it back and that's the thing if i had been a little bit more proactive i would have sent it back it's just one of those things that i didn't get around to doing it and then i've eventually picked it up again but i mean it should in all by you know by all rights it should have been sent back after you know a week of sitting on my desk not doing anything uh so you were just uh stronger than me in that respect i i just left it then kept looking down at me oh one day i'll figure it out but it took me it literally took me three and a half months to do anything with it so uh yeah hey dina great to see you here elaine great to see you too and mr elo is in the house doctor elo i beg you pardon uh let's have a little look uh great to see you too yeah well if you uh if you're looking for more uh opportunities i'm actually going live again in about two and a half hours before uh cd create every day in april i've set myself a bit of a task i'm keeping that that whole thing separate to my regular weekly live streams but yeah um so uh yeah i'm quite looking forward to uh i was going to say i'm quite looking forward to see that i'm quite looking forward to the end of cd because i will have created quite a lot of content but there you go um oh that's a very good point actually um yeah that isn't that isn't the issue that other people are having people people are having it where it just doesn't work but actually that is a very good point and uh guess what it is on my list of videos for cedar that is so yeah when you share a specific app um in ecamm ecamm just ignores all other apps and because pro mouse is an app i know you know this keely i'm just uh telling the other fine folks um it treats uh pro pro mouse as an app so it doesn't uh it doesn't show up um whereas when you share the entire screen then um all of the apps show up on it and that is in fact why if i come into my screen sharing again that's why i've got these different areas so like there's this area up here which is a screen sharing area for me where i've cropped into it in ecamm and in fact that is this particular area here so you can see as i move the stream deck around on this space it's actually moving around in the in the window uh i'll show you that in the demo mode like this so as i move it around on my desktop it's actually moving around in that window but what that means is i can actually go and just drag anything into the area so if i wanted to then have the chat up here instead let's say i wanted to share the entire chat then i could do that like that and then what i do is i have a moon that just positions everything so if i want to stick something in that location i've just got a shortcut to put something up there and so then that's what i was talking about earlier where i've got like this area up here and so when i was doing my screen sharing where i was showing the um uh i was showing all the stream deck and loop deck that's just because this happened to be in this particular space i'm not sharing the window but what that means is that means that my my pro mouse then does show up on here as well whereas if i was sharing just my safari window then you wouldn't see the pro mouse and you wouldn't see the the zooming feature either of pro mouse or like the spotlight or anything like that uh just because ecamm is treating that as i say just as a uh the screen share of an app is sharing just that app but it does mean that i can now say right we'll now want to share this keynote uh which is not really a keynote it's my stream deck buttons but if i want to share that i can just pop that there so i think it actually works a lot better for me to just share a specific spot in my my desktop um so yeah great point now keely um let's have a little look um mr is there a benefit of going with a larger loop deck or is the standard one enough well so this is the thing the loop deck so the stream deck i would always say uh go for as big as you can uh you can go because i think you'll always find some use for the buttons and so it makes uh it makes sense for me especially if you think you're going to spread them out over to onto multiple pages with stream deck i'm talking about um then if you're going to have multiple pages you're going to need the forward and back buttons as well uh so then you are basically losing potentially two buttons on some of the screens for that depending on how many pages you've got um so that will sort of eat into it with the loop deck though um really it is a case of this is the loop deck live uh let me just zoom in a little bit on that so this is the loop deck live this is the one that i've got right now on my desk so here it is and this is the sort of size of it in comparison to the stream deck um and i don't think i mentioned actually but the the stream deck excel's got 32 keys i mentioned that but this one the number of buttons it's got here is 12 so it's got 12 buttons but then you've also got these uh these buttons down here which are you are programmable you don't get any icons on them or anything like that and then you've got the dials so if you have a look at the the options that we've got with the loop deck you've either got the loop deck live which is like this um but then the next size up is basically um you're not really getting more buttons as such that are totally programmable i mean you can program these but you're still only getting basically this part at the top is essentially the loop deck live what you're getting in addition to that is these which are you can see that they've they've got some idea of what you might use these keys for themself um so here you can see we've got like the undo key save a little keyboard symbol and stuff like that so they've obviously got some ideas in mind of what you're going to do with that you do though get this bigger sort of wheel here um and this can be programmable so you might have that for like scrubbing through your editing timeline or whatever it is i don't do any editing so i didn't really uh i felt that this would be overkill for me um i don't do anything where i would need that big wheel so it's like um in contrast to the stream deck where it's just a case of how many buttons do you want this is a case of well this is the loop deck live and do you want this extra functionality of this larger jog wheel or not so that is the that's the that's the the question really and for me i just thought no i don't i don't need this if these had got um like fully programmable with icons on them so you could actually see uh what these uh these functions were doing uh then i would say yeah it's uh it would be worth it for me because i could i could use that and just have this as like one like master volume or something like that but yeah i just couldn't justify it to myself usually i'll find a way to justify these things to myself but in this case i just couldn't so uh but that's the difference between them anyway so uh it's really a case of if you want this large wheel and these extra buttons down here um so let's have a little look um this the stream deck itself is so amazing for adding this sort of like flow i mean to be able to just uh do everything with a touch of a button uh whether it's in ecamm or whether it's in stream yard or whether it's in any other thing like that it's just um it just really does feel like you've got everything at the touch of a button indeed like you know having stuff like like this if i just get rid of this uh coming for one second get that out of the way um yeah just being able to control everything like this it just means that um yeah rather than having to you know rely on keyboard shortcuts or looking at your scenes or things like that it just feel it feels quite magical the combination of that with any of these things um so so yeah i'll just come back though to this um this method of making where's my keynote gone this method of making icons so i sort of skipped right ahead before so we'll come back to this since you'd asked about it making icons in keynote there's another thing that i do in here um i because i want to try and make them look uh look consistent and have a consistent look and feel so certainly with these ones uh these are all my different screens then having explained sort of my uh the way that i have my screens laid out uh just get this one started a minute um i beg your pardon there we go uh yeah so having explained about this is the these ones that show the different areas of my screen so that's kind of like me up in the top corner and then showing the bottom left of my screen and all that sort of stuff so this is for specifically for my ecamm stuff this is the one for sharing my iPad and so i've got these two different colors so basically on stream deck you can choose like for when something is active or inactive so this is how it shows me what's my sort of active scene but these ones here then uh wanting to have like a consistent look so if you're designing your own icons it's good to have like an idea in your head of the the sort of theme that you're going to have and then stick to it so that when you're looking at an icon it just immediately tells you what it is i don't have any writing on my icons except for uh things like this so this is my live stream overlay and by the way you can see that these have got some sort of commonality between them where you've got uh this is just my design by the way it's like not not an ecamm thing but it's uh this is the way that i've thought about it so this is kind of like two layers stacked on one of top of another um and so that's what i use to signify an overlay so these are all icons for overlays uh so that's for my when i'm writing on my screen with my ipad my telestration overlay this one's when i want to put up my mobile uh phone on the as an overlay on top of the screen uh this one is show and hide chat so this one puts up comments this one takes it down so you can see that they've all got this sort of consistent look and feel to them uh these are ones related to my window layout so i have different layouts for um whether i'm live streaming or recording so that actually i use moon to place all my ecamm windows in the place where i want them uh and so these are my icons that i created for this i've got some related to my desktop so this one sends ecamm virtual monitor toggles that one on and off on one of my screens um this one zooms in on the screen so that was when before i used loop deck actually i used to use the stream deck so i had a key to just press to toggle the zoom that accessibility feature i was talking about this one show and hide desktop icons this one is change the resolution of my desktop because when i'm doing screen demos like now i'm in 4k so it's a little bit small you wouldn't be able to see that if i was doing a screen demo like that so i've got a button here to when i'm doing something where i'm intending to do a screen demo uh then i have this icon to sort of toggle the size of the the resolution of the monitor basically to make it easier for people to see turn on do not disturb so i'm not going to go through all these but these are basically you can see they've got this consistent look and feel uh and it's good to try and have that um through uh you know just i feel it just makes it look more sort of cohesive and like all the circles for example uh here so this is my start recording live stream uh that's actually for a timestamp my record all those sorts of things so all the circular elements are all the same sort of sizes and all of the little screen elements and stuff of the same sizes as well and i kind of cheated really and took a leaf out of the masters for this which is if i come into uh let me have a look my uh navigate for a minute um so then if i come into i've got one at the top here which is a template so this is where i'm going to be making my discord icons you see here this template now this is actually not mine this is the template that um i don't know if you remember when the iphone came out uh all of the buttons were really they had this sort of skew morphism they called it so like the the notepad looked like a leather bound jother notepad and you know they all had this look of like trying to look like the thing that they were uh you know the function that they were serving and then in i think it was was it um around the first time the iphone 6 came out i want to say something like that they had a completely complete revamp of the design when johnny i've also took over the interface to design as well as the hardware design or had with influential in it and so they came up with this grid for um creating ios apps so this is how all of the ios apps were redesigned basically using this grid let me just change the background of this i'll just take off this discord one and i'll just put something blank on there for the moment just so you can see it a little bit better in fact if i put on a white background there you go you can see the grid a little bit better now um so this is basically what they use to design all the ios apps and basically if you just then use something like this when you're laying out your apps or laying out your icons then all of the things are going to look consistent so if i just come back to those ones that i was just talking about which was uh the in fact if i just copy this if i come to um that layout and how this one uh you can see that basically all of these circular elements uh that's my emojis there that's my keynote icons uh all of these ones all of these circular elements fit within that that main circle uh all of the uh these things the the bounding boxes where they lead up to so using something like that as a template um and you can find that actually um uh just by searching for i think it's called just ios app icon template or something like that there's loads of people have posted it up there um and uh obviously i have to talk about this i have to talk about this in my ecamm live masterclass so i should actually just mention that for a moment the ecamm live masterclass is over 150 videos actually i've got to upload the last 20 or so but over 150 videos of all about ecamm live and taking you from start to finish from beginner through to advanced um but it's not just about ecamm live actually i do cover using stream deck using loop deck how to set them up how to make your own icons and so i've got a download of that particular template that i was just talking about um and it's also using ecamm live into zoom so talk about how to set it up for using into zoom into teams into discord all of those sorts of things and then also how to use it to really level up your presentations using keynote or powerpoint as well and so you can get that at ecammlivemasterclass.com One of the things about my channel is um i've got so many ecamm live videos but some of them are sort of partly out of date because some of the content in it is now being superseded by all of the great new features that have been added in and so the idea of the ecamm live masterclass is it's kind of like um an online encyclopedia for all things ecamm live that is constantly up to date so when the new features come out i'll be going and replacing you know videos with the updated new videos and adding new ones in so i've split it all down into small manageable chunks so when you go into the the basics for example i cover all the different types of overlay well if they add a new type of overlay which they did when they added screen share overlays for example a couple of versions ago i'll be adding in the new videos for that as well so head over to ecammlivemasterclass.com and you can try that out today by the way the price of it includes $150 worth of bonuses and the cost of the masterclass is $147 so you basically three dollars up before you even start and like i say it's lifetime access for that and all of the great content i've also got a spot on the discord server for anybody who's in the ecamm live masterclass so although you can study at your own place and all that sort of stuff then you can join that community over there as well so that was a little bit of a digression but that was all to say that that particular sort of method of creating these icons i do cover in the masterclass oh and in the masterclass one of the the bonuses that you get i've talked about $150 worth it's well basically it's my ecamm icon pack which is $10 and my zoom icon pack which is $10 and then some of the discounts and stuff like that so those are those are all sort of part of that course as well but yeah that's how i use keynotes basically to make the icons and then again i've made them a lot larger than they potentially need to be for the for for either stream deck or loop deck but i figure i'm just sort of future proofing myself there if anybody's got any specific icons that they think would be useful or icon packs they like to see feel free to drop them in the comments or in the chat or wherever because i am looking to build these out i've got a few other different icon packs that i'll be making so for example the discord pack as well and the discord icons i'm doing those because there's a few different keyboard shortcuts for those and then a few other apps that i'm doing as well somebody's asked me for the excel one the excel one is quite quite a beast actually because i've just basically used the the icons that i use myself i haven't gone through and made absolutely everything and i just don't have time to complete that but at some point i will have a i don't know a 20 page stream deck profile with all of the all of the things you can do in excel and then you just find the ones that you actually want but there you go and oh that's great keely that's yeah that that is where you can find the the what's it the ios app design guide it's it's really good that is i mean that it's to get it was a really great way of them giving this sort of framework if you like for creating app icons let me have a look i've got a little bit lost with the things how do you remember you've made all these buttons this is the thing you see the way that i always used to approach these things is i always used to think about all of the potential actions that i might need to do and i'm talking about keyboard maestro here actually but it's the same for icons i would think about all of the potential things that i might need to do like i'll just sit and imagine what i could potentially want to do and then i'd make all of the different actions in keyboard maestro and it would be the same if i was making icons and then i'd promptly forget them all because it was just something i'd thought about one day and i hadn't actually built up this sort of muscle memory of using them so in actual fact with my stream deck icon packs apart from ones where it's like zoom where it's just a case of what are all of the buttons then i would just create the you know create all the functions that you can do in zoom with the ecam stuff it's been ones that i've built up over time of just like right well i need one for this scene or i need one for that scene and so it's it's kind of i've built it up over time as i've needed them and so then they've just sort of stuck in my mind and the zoom icon pack to answer your questions joanne yeah it's it's it's that the zoom icon pack is completely separate from ecam all it is is it's to control and in fact let's just kind of a little look at zoom because it basically controls everything that you can do in zoom and so if i come into my zoom settings so now you can see the benefit of having these predefined layouts because i can just pop zoom in here instead now if you come into the zoom settings there is down here keyboard shortcuts and if you click on keyboard shortcuts here you can see a list of all of the different keyboard shortcuts that there are in zoom excuse me um so those are all the different things that you can do in zoom using keyboard shortcuts now what they've got in stream deck then so if i come back to stream that get zoom out of the way uh whoops i'll just get rid of that multi action oh i forgot i was going to come back and talk about multi actions well than i call it with ecam but if i come over to zoom here um so with zoom the zoom plugin that you get for stream deck this one you get anyway so you don't need any icon pack for for these actions here so where it says um and just by the way just to just quickly in case you missed earlier uh to get the zoom get the zoom icon pack because it won't be there by default come to the store at the top just up here they stream deck store it's called a store but everything's free i'm sure at some point they're going to flick a switch and some stuff will be monetizable but for them or whoever else third parties but for the moment everything in here is free you click on plugins and then you click up here and you come to zoom uh whoops type zoom and then you'll see here zoom plugin now i said i i actually said something wrong earlier i said that zoom was lazy because they hadn't added in all of the buttons but actually this isn't even by zoom this is by uh uh martin smith so it isn't zoom zoom hasn't even bothered making a plugin this is somebody else has done it so uh thank you very much martin for for doing that then i was there saying that zoom was lazy they're actually more lazy than i thought because they didn't uh they didn't even make one themselves so uh so yeah you click on here and it would say install so you didn't zoom there's install the zoom plugin and then that will then appear in the right hand column so you've got all of these different actions like mute so if you want to toggle the mute on and off your video on and off uh screen sharing you've got focus so that is to focus basically means that if you've um uh it brings zoom to the front so if you had been you know doing screen sharing showing something in some other you know a word document or some other part of your screen or something then pressing focus would just bring zoom to the front so that you can see it again leave meeting turning on cloud recording local recording this one ask everyone to unmute or mute all participants and this custom shortcut so with these ones you've already got this built in and so you don't need an icon pack from me or anything just to do these basic things so you just drag the thing on and then if i was in a meeting that would show as either it would show either like that with a red stripe through it if i was muted or like that if i was unmuted same goes for the the video toggle as well uh like that um and then i could say it's so when you drag things onto these spots it will just create all of these different icons the one for leave meeting is like that but what i wanted to do with my icon pack is because there is this thing here of custom shortcut here um and this is a bit of a weird way around it um when you want if you want to run any shortcut in zoom if you come back to the zoom shortcuts in the settings you can see any of these things uh like here let me have a look show hide floating meeting controls so this one is uh control option command h that's when you're in screen sharing in zoom and you've got those little floating uh controls that are on the screen you may want to hide those so if we wanted to actually program this into um stream deck um it's control option command h the only weird thing about it is rather than actually pressing control option command h you have to use this uh notion here so you'd actually literally have to type out control plus option plus command plus h like that this is just a weird way of you have to actually physically type it out um but then that button now um is going to be when you press that button it's going to operate that shortcut in zoom but crucially even if zoom is in the background so if you've got some other app running and like i say you may be demonstrating something in word in safari or whatever it is but you still want to be able to show and hide these controls zoom doesn't have to actually be at the front so that's how this this works um but the issue with this that i had was um if i created another one of these let's say i just delete this for a moment uh and if i created another one of these so another custom shortcut now the problem i've got is this might be a completely different shortcut but these buttons just look the same um and so that's why i created the icon pack for and the icon pack looks something uh like uh this whoopsie daisy not that one that's a slightly modified one it looks like this so basically as well as the how many have we got one two three four five six seven eight nine so there's basically nine built-in actions uh well then all the rest of this 32 is where i've gone in and just actually pre-programmed all of those keyboard shortcuts for you for the mac i should say um so like this one uh minimal window or this one to change from speaker to gallery view um it's already been sort of pre-programmed with that shortcut i don't know why it's just not actually showing up down here at the bottom right at this moment it might be because zoom's not running actually oh no there you go so like this one um if you're in the gallery view for example i'm often in meetings where there is more than 49 people and i changed the gallery view you can go from 25 or you can increase it to 49 but i often need to sort of scroll through different pages of people um so these ones are to sort of go next page of people and previous page of people um this one pop out the chat window that's one that i you know at the start of a meeting i want to just show the chat um so that one i've got a little button for that i've got a similar one for the sorry that's the participant list i've got one for the chat as well though um and so that's what my stream deck icon pack is it's actually an icon pack so you get all of the icons just as files which i'll show you in a minute how to do that from keynote as well um but i've also created the profile itself so with stream deck one of the things you can do in here is if you go into um uh here into the preferences and then you go into profiles so these are all the stream deck profiles i've got um and then what you can do from here is if you click on the little drop down arrow here you can say import and then it will just bring up the little viewer uh little uh what do you call it find a window in in mac somewhere and in fact here we go i've got i've got this one here so this is stream deck if i come into uh let me just find where it is actually for a second uh you come live that's the one just let me i'll show you just what you actually get in the pack then you'll understand what is in there uh zoom icons so in the in the zip file that you get um with the icon pack basically it's got all of the individual pngs for the the the image files of the icons but at the bottom it's also got stream deck profiles so it's got um a stream deck profile for the stream deck excel so with 32 keys with all of the things on it uh but then it's also got stream deck profiles for the um uh the smaller stream decks as well so you can just install the one that you want and then what that's done is basically saved you the time of typing in all of these commands manually like the the shortcuts manually and it's got all the icons all there ready so that's uh by the way another great thing about stream deck um is just the ability to back up your profiles like in this way uh so you can always come in here and just say back up all uh let me just click i've actually got something selected somewhere oh i tell you what it is i was trying to import the profile wasn't it so from here you can uh you can back up everything so back up all of your profiles so definitely once you've got things as you want them i'd definitely recommend doing that and do it fairly regularly as you go through you know like oh well on a monthly basis or something depending on how often you change them but you can also import and export uh your profiles and you can also do that on an individual basis so uh like here i just when i created this zoom profile i just went in here and then i could come here and say export so you can export an individual profile so if you want to share a profile with somebody you can do that from there uh just coming back to that keynote thing though and creating icons in keynote if i can find my uh right spot here we go um from keynote once you've created these slides um i say slides they're icons aren't they but you know what i mean um and by the way you can select uh different backgrounds so if you come into the uh the document i thank you for not the document just click in anywhere here where would it be format edit slide master uh within the slide master you could create different sort of colored backgrounds depending on the icons that you were creating so i've got a different set of different sort of stock backgrounds in the slide master so that if i want to create a new one and i come to here add slide then i can just choose one of these predefined sort of background colors and so on but once you have got them all in here you might prefer to have the uh view let me have a look the navigator view like this um so say i wanted to export this batch i've got one for youtube as well uh a set that's uh this youtube one by the way this this profile that i created for stream deck it does use uh keyboard maestro but what that allows you to do is uh control youtube even when youtube isn't the frontmost application and that was useful for me because i i do study at the university of youtube myself so i'm often trying to learn something and i'm watching the youtube video it's on the in the youtube player on the desktop but what that means is if i want to sort of pause something then i've got to come out of the application i'm learning and then go to the uh the youtube and then press play or pause and then come back to the other one whereas this just allowed me to sort of play and pause in the background um but to do that you have to use that keyboard maestro which allows you to activate menu commands in other applications in the background but uh anyway i digress but let's say i wanted to export these uh then all you do is go to file uh export to um and then image and then in the images you can just select the sort of range so if that's so what's that uh 53 to let's say 53 to 55 let's say i just wanted to export those particular um uh icons so you just enter the the sort of range of slides although these are the icons that you're going to export and then just click next and then it will export them uh and export them to ppng or jpeg or whatever you want um but then it will just basically put those all in a folder so you end up just with a folder with all the icons you could go in and rename them obviously if you wanted um but um yeah or you could just you know know that they're all there in your zoom icons or whatever application you are creating for and um uh yeah they'll they're just all there as individual files then and so that just looks like a a list a group of pngs in your finder to be able to use wherever you want so uh that is how i make my icons i've gone a little bit i wasn't intending to cover icons but it is a it is a useful tool that people have because it is one of the things that i found uh difficult with stream deck is actually finding decent icons i'll show you another way though just by while we're talking about icons because this is one thing that is quite good on the uh the stream deck uh i'll show you one thing that's not very good on the stream deck if you come to any of these particular things uh and you've got the icon you can just drag and drop an icon onto this spot uh by the way even now i still try and drag an icon onto the button itself because somehow it feels like that sounds quite intuitive that you just drop it onto the icon itself but no you have to actually drop it onto this area down here um but they've got this option here if you click on plus it will bring up your stream deck icon library which you'll come to in a moment uh or this one uh you can either set from file so that will pick up a particular file uh you can create a new icon that is the first thing that i click because i thought great they've got some way for me to create a new icon this is unless they've changed it in the last i haven't looked at it in months uh but it says here let's have a little look in fact this is their own sort of icon maker which to be honest i'm not that hot on so they've got this thing here which says make your own stream deck icon and it's uh it's got just a series of different glyphs and stuff like that you can add text and backgrounds to it but it's just such a klugey way of doing it and um uh yeah i don't find this uh you very intuitive at all if um uh keynote is by far for me easier to make icons than in this thing and you're limited with what you can add on to it um and so so yeah i don't reckon that's worth much of a look to be honest uh so that was this one here where it said create new icon not much for that um open stream deck icon library so this is you've got some built-in stream deck icons so these are ones that it just gives you to start with so you might find something in there that is useful for something um but it is limited and i think it is related to the fact that you know this is intended as a live streaming device so you're not going to find any in the algato library for you know controlling microsoft excel for example it's uh it's just not what it was intended for although it can do a really good job at some things like that um but there are these other icon packs you can get um now this is let me show you where to find these because there's some really great ones i forget the name of the website i'll i'll know it in as soon as i see these icon packs uh we've just got a whole massive range of icon packs for all sorts of different things so if you come over to this is back into the store and then come into icons uh let me have a little look for what this company's called because they have got some great icons um sideshow fx let me load them up because they make icon packs too sideshow fx right i'll come over to so basically the sideshow fx let me show you their website because it's a pretty pretty nice so they make icons like this and they make icons for lots of different programs so you can see down the right hand side ableton live affinity designer affinity photo after effects audition blender cakewalk they got all these different apps and they've made um icons for them so definitely check out them as well let me just grab this url quickly and i'll just drop that in the chat because um that's another great resource for icons um and like if you buy their their photoshop one let's just have a look at their in fact let's look at adobe illustrator because it's right there if i go to their adobe illustrator icon pack um there you go look it is six hundred and sixty plus i don't know if that means six hundred and sixty two but anyway it's um it's six hundred and sixty icons uh thirty four ninety nine uh for adobe illustrator so it's got loads of icons in there and they've got other ones for uh other devices uh so they've got one for loop deck as well um i'm not sure what the difference is between that because that's six hundred and thirty uh not sure what the difference is there compared to the stream deck one but in any case they've got these different icon packs for um and that one's actually a bit cheaper that one's twenty dollars so they've got these these icon packs all really nicely designed in everything as well so those are paid from side show fx well when um ecamm live introduced their ecamm store where people could add third parties could add in their stuff uh you'll notice that side show fx have actually been adding their stuff into here but they're free but it basically what it is is you're not getting the full icon pack but you're still getting some really great icons so photoshop there's a free pack of seventy uh icons to be used for a stream deck and all you do is just come here and then you can just uh click on install and it'll install these icon packs then uh you'll just get this little pop-up like that do you want to install it click on yes and then that will install it in that icon library that you've got on stream deck here i've got the premier pro one installed um i don't really use premier pro uh except that it's on my my mac but i did just want to try these out so here you'll see the premier pro icon pack again the full premier pro icon pack and here we go the photoshop the one that we've just downloaded so the full photoshop icon pack on the side show fx is um uh uh what is it um i forget what the the photoshop one is let's say it's twenty dollars thirty dollars fifteen dollars whatever it is for all those six hundred well you do get free uh in the uh the store you get all of these different um uh ones here so you might well find that for some of these apps if you go and look in the store some of them are a bit a bit uh crappy for one of a better word not these ones i mean some of the other icon packs that are in there um but these ones you're actually getting some really high quality professional grade icons um that um that are free so definitely check out the store and see if there's any of these apps that you use so side show fx have been good they've got um they've got the photoshop one they've got their blade uh premier is in there as well premier pro let's have a little while so they've got davinci resolve they've got their davinci resolve one and it's like they're giving you 70 icons basically and obviously the idea is that you're going to try these and want some of their other ones but you never know you may have everything you need in these free ones metal armor not sure what that is actually superhero icon pack uh for games after effects in fact looking at these most of these are actually side show effects uh illustrator i don't know why i've not got the illustrator installed let me install that right now i think they've added a few more obviously since i last looked affinity photo final cut pro icon pack there you go i know there's a few final cut pro users in here so a final cut pro icon pack let's just have a look what's in there because i do know that we've got some final cut users in the chat so let's go and have a look at that so you just click on click on that to install them and then if i close out of here so now we should have final cut look at that there you go you've got all those different icons custom made for for final cut for free i think that's really good to be honest of of side show effects to do that to put those in because i'm sure there's a lot of these a lot of people that will think like this is you know if they're not using absolutely all of the features i'm sure this covers most of the the basic things and they're all really nice looking icons i don't like the writing on them that's my only issue i prefer icons where i just recognize what they are without any text on them uh because small text tends to disappear a little bit but i'm being picky here these look great so so yeah that is um that is a great little resource for icons let me have a look hey rich great to see you uh sneaking in at the back yeah backing up stream deck profiles definitely got to be done i'm co-teaching classes with another person i need to spotlight her uh then me then take the spot off the spotlight need a way to do it quicker and easier as i'm monitoring the chat oh if that's if this is in zoom if this is in zoom this is a little bit of a thing for me i've i'm trying to find a way to do the spotlight in with the uh with a shortcut there isn't a button to do that and there isn't a shortcut that you can use to have it sort of preset so that you can spotlight a specific person somebody else has asked me about this and i've been trying to do it myself as well so i'll i'll move it up my priorities list and now i know other people are interested but yeah having a button to spotlight specific people is something that i'm i'm definitely working on as well uh i'll let you know i'll let you know i'll be making a video about it as soon as i figure it out so don't worry about that it'll come soon uh let's have a little look and uh oh hey i've probably missed you now but good night jeff i appreciate you showing up especially with the clocks changing in the uk now um it's even later for you so uh yeah i appreciate you showing up um i am rather aren't i i'm uh i should have split this out into 20 different videos to uh let's have a little look um uh there's an unlabeled set in there too is that for um is that for um what we just talked about final cut is that let me have a little look in the icons if that's what you're talking about um i think there's been more to be honest i think they've added more in here since i last looked at it so um yeah oh hey michael i've just noticed you as well great to see you here as well and uh yeah i appreciate appreciate people staying up late uh or perhaps you're not perhaps you're a uh uh it always seems late to me i mean i go to bed at like when when i look at the clock and it says half by six in the afternoon i'm thinking oh it's nearly bedtime if i'm not in bed by eight i'm uh i'm feeling like i'm having a very late night but then i get up at three so yeah i can't just see them now i've been talking and scrolling at the same time but yeah there's some great icon packs in there anyway um so yeah about that zoom thing i'll definitely be looking into that i don't think there's going to be a sort of really totally easy way of doing it uh there'll be a way that i can do it with keyboard maestro because you can do pretty much anything with that but um i wanted to find something that was a little bit more um easy to do but yeah i'll have to have to look into into how to doing that um let me have a little look well i've gone to i i've started doing little uh plans for my live stream so i don't go off topic and i've just totally missed my uh my my topic for here and gone quite off on uh several tangents but i think i covered everything i was intending to cover about stream deck and loop deck it was basically about the yeah the differences in the user interfaces and stuff like that i think i've covered off most of that i really do love the loop deck once it's set up um i just found the interface just in summary i just found the interface i really like the uh the the form factor of it i like the the dials and things like that to be able to control things so i do find value in it i'm glad i didn't send it back now um but it just took three and a half months for me to actually move with it and i'm like total uh total tech nerd want to dig into these things try everything out try all the buttons but um uh yeah it's uh it's i'm i'm glad that i have got it as an addition now um and this is also another bit of tech gear that is on my list of things to uh that is still on my list of things is a roadcaster pro which i don't have i just use my short mv7 over usb uh into my computer i always had this uh idea the reason why i got the uh short mv7 was because it's got usb and it's also got xlr and when i started doing my channel i was like well it won't be long before i get a roadcaster because you know all the all the people in the uh uh ecamm group and let's get live group have got the uh the roadcaster pro so i figured that it would just work its way up onto my desk somehow uh but it never really has because i'm not really doing things where i'm mixing multiple mics or anything like that it's just basically me um the only thing that i saw as an advantage to it was you know having the uh the sliders to be able to fade things in and out not that i really have loads of tunes going on in the background or anything like that um but this basically sort of it's it completely removed me needing to have one right that doesn't mean to say that that little tech devil on my shoulder won't tell me that i need one for some other reason but uh uh now basically you know the buttons that you have on the roadcaster you can now simulate with the buttons on the stream deck to play sound effects and things like that um and then the dials on here can simulate you know turning my levels up and down uh whoops are lazy i'm doing my screen zoom instead this is the one that i wanted for my mic so i can now fade my mic in and out if i wanted to play some music i could play that in and out with the uh the dials here as well uh and again like when i'm on uh interview when i do interview mode um then i can control the volume of my guests on here as well so it's pretty pretty good for mixing and uh it does mean i don't have like a big uh roadcaster taking up my desk as well so uh so yeah that's um that's about all i wanted to cover today and i have actually got another live stream in two hours because i am doing uh cedar i create every day in april and so this month i've set myself the task of making uh 200 videos which i may live to regret but that's because i've got my uh my one year anniversary on youtube is coming up on the 14th of may and i set myself the target of making 365 videos in my first year and i'm basically 143 is what i've got to make in the next 43 days um so i'm going to make those in april and then schedule them to go out um but i'm also uh wanting to get back into making shorts which i don't really count towards my uh my total in any case so i'd like to make two months worth of shorts like one going out a day um but one of the ways that i'm doing this and one of the things i'm doing for this is that i am doing a live stream every day uh specifically as a sort of content creation vlog so that will be at well in two hours from now whatever time that is wherever everyone is uh nine a.m my time uh here in thailand um and so so yeah i'm uh i'm signing off now but then i'm going to make uh a number of shorts and then i will be back on in in two hours to give my uh my sort of daily flock update uh thanks for all coming and hanging out it's been a real pleasure and uh it's uh it's great to get to all the questions and stuff like that and it's uh much better than me just sitting and talking through a list of things that i wanted to cover i feel much better when i feel like people have got questions that i've been able to uh perhaps answer to some extent and some that i need to get back to people on but uh yeah thanks for oh just one one quick thing i'll mention before i go because i did mention that i would talk about it other multi-action that i've got for um uh ecamm live so as well as my end screen multi-action i have got this one uh that is here this is for my sort of go around again button when i do my recordings although i make all my videos in one take for my regular videos not the lives um the uh the the regular videos that i make i make in one take but it's not always the first take so sometimes i screw up my beginning so i created this multi-action here which basically when you end of a video on ecamm live you get this little pop-up that it processes the video and then you get a prop pop-up to say uh do you want to go and see publish this video to youtube or do you want to go and see the video where the video file is on your fault uh finder um or do you want to just like click okay to cancel this uh this message so i created a multi-action which is on my stream deck here it's this one that looks like this little recycling arrow uh but basically what that does is uh that means like if i start my video and i say in today's video i'm going to cover x y and z and i screw up that part of it which is the part that i will screw up if i screw up anything once i've actually got into the flow of the video i don't have any problem with that but i often uh you know at the beginning i think uh i'm really thought about what to say so i have this one here which uh the first step is it presses the go live button which if you are actually already recording is the end recording button i've then got a delay of uh just a couple of seconds uh because when you end the recording in ecamm live there's a little bit of processing time um and then uh it presses the go live button again because some people don't realize it's not obvious at all that when you press this go live button if you have got that little pop up on the screen it will actually dismiss that so by having these three things together it means that uh if i um if i've gone here and i press my little record button to start recording uh and then i screw up the beginning pressing this button will basically end the recording wait two seconds dismiss that little pop up and so then i'm just ready to press record again so that was the other little multi-action that i wanted to mention just i know carly was asking about or had mentioned about the the end screen multi-action there's another one i've got on here for ecamm but i can't just remember what it is now um uh it will come to me uh but anyway so that is uh for now that is uh that is that is all from me for for now but i will be back a little bit later thanks again for all coming and hanging out and uh yeah i will catch you all soon and now i'm going to press my uh multi-action uh it is a dangerous button when you're live rich yes i uh try and avoid it i don't stand too close to it uh oki doki i'll catch you all a little bit later thanks again for stopping by i'll press my end button now and if you're watching on the replay of course don't forget to stay and check out all of these great videos that are coming up next