Alright, rather than go through the rest of the items, we'll just go immediately to the discussion with the city manager. I gotta admit, I'm a little nervous with all these high quality people. Don't be nervous. Yeah, right. That helps. Just like you were, just like everyone else. Right, that's good. Thank you for coming. We do appreciate it. And this is two years in a row. And last year about this time, I think it was a little later, but it was a very good discussion last year. Hopefully there'll be a third discussion next year. Before I introduce all the board members, I just want to say that you've got a good board. You really have a good board. I think a lot of you would agree, Jeff would agree. Especially the new members are a good supplement to what we had already. So they work very hard. And I've been on a lot of boards, and I tell you this is one of the best boards that we've ever had. In terms of the energy they put into it, the thoughts they put into it. And sometimes they don't agree with me, which kind of... It's good for you, too. That's good. So we've got some recommendations today. Some are hard, some are so long. Some are simple, some are complicated. Some are cheap, some are expensive. And so we appreciate the chance for you to listen to these recommendations. And if we can get them implemented this year, that would be great. I thought this year, next year, or not next year, you were after that. But these are the kinds of things that we... These are directions that we think the city council and the senior center should go. So with that, I will introduce the board members. I think you know Brandy, and Ronnie, and Jeff. Yeah, I'm good down here on this one. I'm sorry, I forgot my name. So we're not for somebody who can't remember me. I'm Catherine O'Donogha. All right, you know those folks? And I'm Christina Pacheco, I'm the director for Humatox. And Marcia Martin. And Ann Cokesley. And Arc Quintana. Quintana and John Diggins. Sheila Conroy. Eric Brack. Lonnie Diller. On a lot of occasions in other venues. And... My name is Mike Tana, I'm always part of the public. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, what's your name? Mike. Oh, Mike. Mike, okay. And Carleen Zorkman. And I'm Dave Jenner. And everybody knows Brandy, but also I run him. So, with that, of course, two people ought to shoot. And I'm going to be Lonnie and Sheila. I don't know how you want to handle this, but... Well, I would like Lonnie to take the lead, because I've been somewhat MIA over the last couple of months. So most of this is... Yeah, you and London are a couple of these cool things. Okay. And most of these recommendations, although we've agreed on them and had some discussion ahead of time, it's tough anyway. Okay, Lonnie, you want to take some of your recommendations? Okay. My area of interest is housing. And so my recommendations have to do with housing. Before you get started, I forgot to say one thing. We find something a little different this year. I think it's different anyway. We've focused on three things this last year. One of them is housing. The other one is transportation and then outreach. Now, Lonnie and Sheila have been working on housing most of the year. And ARC has been working on outreach most of the year. We have another person that she loves us. And let's say who they miss. The transportation has been handled like our leans are. And I just wanted to say that they put in a huge amount of work. Before you go, have you heard anything from Maria? I'm sorry. Maria? Oh, Maria. I just didn't know if somebody she called you. I don't know. Okay. Just curious. Oh, I don't know. She's our remaining board members down here. Okay. It would be useful to have Harold do a little introduction before we start into, I think, questions. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So we just went through the council retreat not long ago. And, you know, the one thing I'll say about the conversations of the council is we've spent a lot of time, a couple of years, talking about core services and what we need to do is probably the last three retreats we've touched on it. And, you know, the one thing that I would say starting out is when we look at the council's work plan and the council's vision, it hasn't, it really didn't shift, which is a good thing because the items that they have on the work plan are pretty significant. So when you think about it, we built a graph that you may have seen. Right at higher. Okay. It's tall. It's tall. That is a problem. Okay. I'll just move. That'll be easier. So right here, think of core services. And when we talk about core services, you know, we're really talking about those things that are foundational to municipalities and what we do. You know, streets, signals, all of those things. And one of the things that we've talked about with the council is when you look at core versus aspirational, you can do all the aspirational work you want. But at the end of the day, if the core services fail, then what we see in communities is they don't really care about what you've done that's aspirational because of the foundation of your system is shattering. And, you know, I mentioned the council of Flint, Michigan, Jackson, Mississippi. I can rattle off all these cities that have such fundamental challenges that nobody cares about the other stuff. They just know what they need in their daily lives. And so the primary focus that we're going to have is core services. One of the things that we talked about with council is really the capacity of the organization and what we can do. So when we evaluate the size of our organization versus organizations of a similar size, we have probably the fewest amount of staff when we compare ourselves with our college folder and a lot of the larger cities. And that's by design. I mean, that's intentional because we're trying to be as efficient and effective as we have. So when we think about our capacity, a lot of our capacity is enough in the daily work. We've been adding positions in certain areas so that we can do better. Then the next tier that the council said is important is equity, safety, and sustainability. Thank you. And this is probably more so you see the graphics. And again, the council started doing work. An organization started doing work looking at these components and saying, you know, what's the next thing we need to do to really support our community? And then this is where it starts aligning with what you all are saying. So when you look at this, and I'm not an artist, so I'm not, depending on who you're talking to, they'll say, well, this looks like a house. I think council member Martin said it looks like a rocket ship. And so whatever you think about, think about that kind of analogy and what we're doing. And so they said, in this case, we're going to put housing. We're going to put our child care. And we're going to put transportation. And so if you use the housing analogy, what that really is saying is this is our foundation. This is a subboard. And these are our low bearing walls in terms of what we're trying to do. And then you go over here. And it's places and amenities. And I think the thing that's really coming out of everything that the councils put together in terms of what they really see as their core services is really all of these things touch so many different areas. So when you think about housing, it touches all demographics in our community. It touches economic development. It touches the service industry. It just really is just all encompassing of what impact the impact to the community. Child care is very similar in the sense that it touches economic development. It touches the ability to employ people. You name it in transportation. So when you look at this, every one of these things is really touching the breadth and depth of our community. So outside of it, you can look at it as a cloud. This is climate action. So everything that we do within the scope of what the council's work plan is really surrounded by climate action and how we're approaching the future. And again, I would argue that it's on the campuses and everything that we do. So in terms of what we're focusing on operationally from an organizational perspective is really in this, in addition to some other components. And so if you use a house analogy, envision that you're looking at this house with the mountains in the backdrop and you're seeing the clouds and all these components are here. If you're using the rocket ship analogy. Just move the cloud lower. Imagine that the rocket ship is launching through. And that's everything that's about our community. So how to start to this? And so we're just continuing to remain focused on. And in this, you'll see a lot of things. So that's what we're working on. Obviously housing on the housing side that's coming into two different areas. So one area you all know that the city and one of our board members is here, Arlene. And it doesn't surprise me that Arlene is doing transportation because we've worked with Arlene on transportation on the housing authority. She's worked in transportation for about 30 years. Yeah. So, you know, the city took over operations of the housing authority. So I'm the interim executive director. And I did her quotes. And you're three, four. You're four. But I think we've been moving in the right direction. So just to give you a sense of what's going on right now in housing, Lonnie, you can hear in the middle of it right now. So we're, we're able to move forward with the recent occasion of Village Place Apartments, which is just down the street. Village on Main. Village on Main. We all keep doing this. Village on Main. You know, part of that was important to us because when the housing authority took that over, they basically just used the financing mechanism to buy it and it didn't make any improvements to it. So we were like 15 years beyond the point of needing to make adjustments. So we're in the middle of that right now. At the same time, we're about to, I think we are getting temporary certificates of occupancy or certificates of occupancy on the Christmas apartments where we're partnering with NGL. And that's not an age-restricted unit. And that's going to be opening in the next, probably next few months. I think there may be, we're leasing up now, but it'll be fully open and probably much. We're getting design on the Senate over, which is, again, not an age-restricted property. It's a family property, which will have one, two, three, and four bedroom units in it. And then we're trying to get early childcare in there, but we're having to raise money to do that. And then we're working on a couple of, on the separate, on the other side of housing, on the city side. When we look at our affordable attainable housing fund, the council just approved a development project for 185 four-cell units, which are all going to be either affordable or attainable housing. So when you think about that, think about price points probably in the neighborhood from $300,000 to, it could be up to $600,000 because, believe it or not, $600,000 is an attainable house for someone at about 115% AMI. The market rate pounds right now are going at about six, I think the last number I have is about $653,000. And when you think about how that number's generated, a lot of it is drawn down because some of our older homes that need a lot of work are selling for four. So imagine what, where some of the houses are selling, where we're seeing eight, nine, a million dollars for a home that you may have purchased for $400,000. Arlene and I talk about this all the time. So that's in play. And then we're working on a couple of other housing projects. You know, part of why you're not seeing as much as many age restricted units being brought forward is because when we did our housing analysis, what we really found is probably the greatest need in our community right now is for family housing. And so historically the housing authority hasn't focused on that so we're trying to add affordable family housing into the mix as we look forward. On our age restricted units, we're seeing some interesting things. Most of those, when you look at the tax credit projects, we're having a hard time filling units in the 60% AMI level because either people either don't have the income to fit into it or it's a weird thing. So they either make too much money and they want a 60% AMI unit or they don't make enough money and they can't afford the 60% AMI unit. So we're seeing some interesting things that occur in the market. So a lot of work on housing. In transportation, what I will say is we're at the precipice of really seeing something significant for our community related to how we approach transportation. So we've been doing a lot of work with RTD. You know, Council Member Martin and I talked a lot about, you know, how this is moving forward and so we've, you know, I was having conversations with the CEO of RTD, Phil was having conversations and we were able to work with them and they created an innovative transportation grant a few years ago, two years ago and then we had to go through the application process. So we received approximately $445,000 this year. More than any other city. More than any other city. We were probably the closest to getting fully funded on that and then they also awarded money over the next two years so it's going to be $375,000 and $375,000. That was just in the paperwork a couple days ago. Right. So we're going to issue a, we're getting out an RFP for microtransit in this month and really what, think of a hybrid of Uber and Lyft and so it is, it operates like Uber and Lyft but it's really more community wide and the cost basis is different and it's a ride share, it's a farm demand but the point of microtransit is to integrate into your bus system so that you can make your bus system more efficient in terms of how it operates and you can actually get across town in a reasonable period of time. So if you get on the bus now and you try to get from North Maine to Southwest Long Island, Village of the Peaks you can take anywhere between 30 minutes and an hour. The companies that we've talked to they actually created the software that most transit systems use but what it does is it starts evaluating where your shopping is, where your people live where your employment is, where the people live and they focus on reducing that time period so we talked to a company that is working across the United States and one example is Montgomery, Alabama the employment base was 30 minutes from where people live via public transit and actually we're able to reduce that to 8 to 10 minutes equalizing microtransit in the bus system. We are also in the process of starting to talk to other municipalities surrounding us. I've had a meeting with Mark Berthend and really we're going to intentionally build a bid microtransit out in a way that other municipalities could piggyback on top of our contract so that we can create a broader system and the other day so that's it, right?  So on transportation you may all have seen that the governor's office released a white paper regarding rail and the proposal on the rail side is that basically within 7 years they're going to have an operational rail system and they looked at how they take the existing RTB funding to make that happen so generally they'll move money out of that we've been paying we're going to move money out of the FAFSA account that we've been paying the proposal is to move it into another account with another governmental entity that's tying everything together then they'll take the ongoing funding from that they're going to leverage CDOT money and they're aggressively going to go after federal funds because that really ends in November so there's a window to get the money allocated to it it's on their website and if you read the white paper there's a link that'll take you to, or if you read the press release there's a link that'll take you to the white paper so we're actively involved in conversations with them regarding how this works and so that then starts tying into microtransit and I was told the other day that in a meeting one of the higher level officials in CDOT was actually talking about Long Mod and the microtransit RFP that we're going to put out in connection to rail so the rail discussion is changing things dramatically which also puts in different pressures of us in certain ways in that the first to main transit station requiring property we're building a public private partnership with the owner with the individual that owns other properties in the area but knowing where the state's coming from on the rail we're going to have to really get focused on the transit station because that needs to be ready if they pull the trigger on the flight paper and we're also looking at some other opportunities for transit oriented development in the south area of Maine which ties into something that may impact you up here is we just put the Kauffman Street project out for bid we're going to notice once the bid comes in we're going to have some more information but that's going to start the reconstruction of Kauffman from mine and we're going to be moving this way so Kauffman is going to be under construction that's going to be our first true engagement in the concepts of Vision Zero and some other things so it's going to be a true new road it'll be bike, head, car and bus so I don't have a dedicated bus lane in the middle and that'll move the buses off Main Street in that section once it's built and that's going to tie in to the bus rapid transit so the primary bus station will be slid down to south Maine as we're looking at this so at the transit station there's going to be a lot of work going on downtown I mentioned the transit station that's a little bit further off Kauffman Street's more imminent hopefully the hotel starts under construction across the street from our office within the next month or so we're running some title issues the council had to help us with so a lot of work in this area is probably going to be the most significant transformation of downtown that we've seen in the history of our community and what's really interesting is if you look at plans that the downtown had in the late 70's and 80's they've been wanting to do this and it's now starting to happen in the early childcare Christina and her group has really worked with Kauffman in terms of how are we bridging that gap and so it's been a lot of time on that Christina can answer questions and then really places and amenities and you see us start tying all of the primary work in core services and places and amenities so you may all see in the newspaper we're actually able to have conversations regarding the redevelopment of the sugar mill I would tell you for us that is incredibly important right now because of some of the public health and safety issues that we're seeing in our community that are really generated from the sugar mill site we've had fires there lots of fire or a few fires recently you know we're not hiding from the fact that we almost have a police officer that was severely injured there was a fire in the campment in the live vials on the south side of 119 and we actually had drum footage and as you're walking by a propane tank exploding and you can see stuff flying by not long after that there was another fire basically what we did was we positioned our fire department and just said we're going to surround it and take it offensive posture because we were not going to send them in there because it was too dangerous so we're working many different angles on this what I've said to the people we're talking to on it is it's a marathon not a sprint when you have a project this large this large and it's probably by multiple parachutes for this because it's not going to be a lot of work it's going to take time so that's generally kind of what's going on I could probably talk for six more hours I'll talk a little bit about budget we do expect this budget here to be challenging for us the residential ratios were again shifted by the state which does impact the revenue coming in to our organization and what we can do so we're going to be watching that pretty close it's also a non-appraisal year which means that typically the growth that we're going to see is going to be primarily from sales tax there is a conversation where individuals have been approaching the city council regarding grocery tax and eliminating that and last night Jim Golden presented to them you know in general at this point we're comfortable in saying that it would have about a $14 million impact to the general fund budget which is significant and in that $14 million there's some bond issues that are interesting to deal with because we've issued bonds that pledge the sales tax rate our legal council has said to us that the city council cannot on their own reduce the grocery tax for the 2% that's allocated to the general fund and the .2% on the open space fund because that will violate our bond covenants which leaves the open space tax and the public safety tax and I'm going to talk more in depth when we go to council again because that will create significant issues for us because of the public safety tax about 83% of the public safety fund is people which will require significant adjustments as we're going to approach it street tax, correct street tax is the one that doesn't have any debt on it and so then when we think about street repair and things like that Division Zero obviously we change how we approach it I was in a conversation yesterday with city managers at Bloodland Fort Collins and Estes and that happened in London and it was a $13.4 million impact they're going to have to make significant cuts to their operational budget and typically that is a very narrow area that you can cut so I say that because part of what we're thinking about is if for some reason there's a citizen initiative in this and it gets on the ballot we're going to have to be pretty careful going into this budget process and what we look at but I can say unequivocally that whatever form that takes you know it will be significant the impact will be significant and we're going to have to make some hard decisions recommendations to the council because when we think about what is purely sales tax funded so let's say we lose it in the public safety fund and the question becomes well do we just reduce the public safety officers that we have at play probably not because the growth that we're seeing in our community is really demanding more of that so then we have to then dive into the general fund and look at the general fund and go to the council that says we can't produce firefighters and police officers based on our call volume here's where we can really look at cutting and as we talked about with council there's not a lot of areas that are purely sales tax funded you know for example I gave the example to the council my position while it's in the general fund probably about 40 ish percent maybe a little bit thinking of my breakdown on my salary but let's say 30 to 40 percent is actually paid for by the electric fund the water fund the wastewater fund the sanitation fund the open space fund the airport fund and the broadband fund so generally so if you cut my position for every dollar you cut you only get 50 cents to make a dent in it and there's a lot of areas within the organization where that really is at play almost all of our internal services look like that so what it means is you're now limited to a few things and Jim gave the list to the council and it's senior services it's the library it's health and human service fund I can't remember all of them but those are really the only ones that are just purely sales tax driven so as we're having to make recommendations we're going to have to look at poor services and things like that to come back to it so I say that because when you have that kind of conversation and you have a municipality adjacent to you that's going through it and it will change if something like that were to happen it definitely will change how we're going to operate and so we're thinking about that pressures, budgetary we're still seeing compensation as a significant issue for us it just seems like every year the markets are adjusting rapidly I think we're fully into seeing people retiring out and competition increasing poor positions we were at the LEDP economic summit last week and you know there's a photographer there that basically if everyone that was on unemployment got a job we would still have more jobs open than there are applicants and so what that does is as you can see that still pushes compensation up because everybody's competing for those positions and the more specialized it gets the higher the level of competition we're seeing the job market loosen up in some areas and we're seeing it remain tight or get tighter in others specifically where we're seeing the job market become really tight is in the public facing positions and that is not unique to long life we're seeing it across the nation and as I talked to many of my colleagues and I look at what ICMA is presenting is there are fewer fewer people that are wanting to go into government in a public facing position just because the nature of the conversations that are occurring and the type of interaction and so ICMA which is international city managers association are recruiting a lot of us to try to get more people to come into government we're actively engaging with the school district for a range and other places because we think we're going to need to build a pipeline internally and where we train our own because the market's just not supplying it but that will be a budget issue to look at as we're moving forward inflation is stabilizing a little bit but we're still seeing increases in utilities our drawing is crazy we had a meeting with Jeff yesterday about recreation and the impact of utilities and then the supply chains are still profitable for us we wanted to shift police cars to plug-in hybrids can't get them and in some cases Ford came out and said well we're canceling all the orders and we're like who else is doing it we're all doing it and so we're having to work through those issues on the electric side we're seeing things like transformers and we used to be able to get in three months it's taking a year the significant transformers and sub stations used to take us a year it's taken us three years now to get those on order you name it we're still seeing supply chain issues and so all of those are budget pressures that we're going to have coming into this budget year we think it's probably going to be one of the hardest we've dealt with so with that rate of sunshine it's all manageable I mean and I think we can work through it we just have to be really diligent as we're working through it looking at it you know taking incremental approaches over time to figure out where do we want to be and how can we incrementally step into it versus getting from point A to Z immediately we may have to get two different letters in the alphabet to get to where we're going but I think it's all doable it's just we have to be really managed and calculated as we're working through this process so with that I don't think we have any questions I don't think we have any questions a couple of actually a couple of questions one of the things that was mentioned in the paper in regard to this front-range passenger rail proposal was that there's a possibility they're going to go to the voters and ask them for a 0.8% increase in the sales and lose tax is that would that even pass I don't know based on what happened last year and going forward is that going to happen this year so I don't know that's really the state driving that and I think a lot of that's going to be depended on what happens on what is Northwest Rail so if you read that it's not RTD that's going to be providing the service it's going to be Amtrak that provides the service and so as you kind of work through it basically it is to take the existing funding and the federal funding to build city-to-city rail service from minimum Denver long run I think in that they alluded to Denver to Fort Collins and that's what's leveraging the federal dollars and so what that really means from front-range passenger rail is that when they look at tax increase it would have been bigger but they're offsetting it with these other funds coming in the taxing district is pretty big so think of basically the northern border to the southern end of El Paso County where all of those areas will have to vote on it so it's kind of hard to understand what it's going to be because you know it's not Boulder County specific we do know that there's a lot of traffic both you know if I look at long run there's people moving in constantly to work, there's people going out to work, there's people that drive from south Denver to Fort Collins to work and so understanding the impact of those individuals I think could really maybe allow that to pass because we're talking about something that would significantly change somebody's life in terms of the amount of time they're spending on the road and so I think people may look at it in a different way but it's hard to say and I think we're just going to have to watch and see what their plans are it needs to be communicated you know so that people understand what happens so if you want to give me your list okay we spoke to a lot of different areas and a lot of different organizations you know I want to do 1130 1130, okay I spoke to a lot of different areas going from affordable housing to areas that people who are interested in having the the what are the rules code yes changed the zoning change so that they can do things with their own property or they can stay in houses that they already live the main focus for housing is everybody says we need more affordable housing and that's just including older adults and veterans have you ever considered rent control that is that is not something that I that is not in my world so that is in the city council's world that's more of a policy directive and what they're looking at until recently cities were prohibited from doing that and I believe that was a telly ride decision that did that so I wish I could answer that that's not a question for me I just wanted to put it out there because I don't know if we've ever discussed it and so I wanted to see where it sat as far as the possibility if I could just put my nose in since I'm the target of those requests it has been prohibited by the state for the whole time I've been on council until this telly ride decision and despite that we had to do quite a dance just to get our current inclusionary zoning ordinance through the legal department because they thought that it was tiptoeing right up to the line of preempted rent control statutes at the state level and we really haven't studied yet what the state did just made us safe with our inclusionary zoning ordinance where it would even whether it would allow rent stabilized apartments like New York has or something like that but what I will say is that every property owner every time there's even a sniff of that word being used says I'm going to get out of the business I'm going to get out of the state so that the opposition is extremely strong I think understanding the financial issues because what I can say to everyone unequivocally is that the only reason that capital A affordable housing works is because of the tax credits and the tax credits are really what's allowing that to be held because you intentionally take losses in your pro forma and they get tax credits from it you know I think the thing the council that they would need to be mindful of that is we need units and so if you put things in place that could potentially discourage people from building units then have you really made an impact on this because you need supply and you know especially in the rental market it is pretty clear that supply does moderate the rental prices in the community and we've seen that happen so I think the unintended consequences are going to be we've got to really pay attention to that because maybe and the reason that you're going to do it is because the rental rates are so high and so something like rent control may work in Boulder but it may not work here because when you look at the market rates for rentals they are significantly lower than anyone else in Boulder County in terms of our and in some cases what we're finding is because of that it's inhibiting the development of more higher end apartments because it can't get the rates of things they need for that product and so what we've seen in our housing analysis is that people that can actually afford more apartment because they're not available the community are buying down below to a lower AMI so let's say you have a 30-something that is in IT and they're making $300,000 a year the type of apartment that they would normally buy is necessarily readily available here so they're buying down into 120% AMI apartment so all of those things we have to think about also New York is absolutely emphatically at build out where we are not correct we really recommend that obviously that you support the request for funding for the seniors the seniors center does a huge amount of services for the city they do things like home and community based services nutrition wellness socialization opportunities nutrition services and financial assistance so we advise the request for funding from the seniors center be approved because basically by 2030 we're going to be at seniors we're going to be 20% of the population and that's just going to continue to grow the veterans are in need of housing I spoke to a woman there who brought up a good idea to have cohabitation or a few people living in the same house and that way they can be kind of given services together when people visit for health services and things like that they can take care of residents at the same time when they deliver food they could deliver wheels on wheels for people who need one shot so the idea of having a place that is shared rent less amount and where it would be a community for people and they'd have people to lean on and to support each other so that was one of the recommendations that we got a big one was to have an assisted living facility that takes Medicaid and Medicare and I know that's in your pipeline somewhere and I know that it's something that you are looking at but it's just people who really need extra help and can't get it they can no longer live on their own but they can't really find a place they can afford and so they're kind of stuck in the middle can I jump in real quick on that one absolutely so the council in their goal setting session is in terms of giving us a number of projects that 65 years almost three quarters there under five years one of the things that we all talked about was affordable assisted living so what I can say to you all is what we're seeing in our age restricted affordable housing is that because there's a lack of affordable assisted living we're seeing people but the only thing they can afford is independent living which is creating issues I think across the board for us we are engaging in conversations with different folks in terms of what they do Medicaid is the big issue on that and finding somebody that has the ability and the knowledge to build Medicaid and through that we're actually really looking to the Midwest in terms of that affordable assisted living model because they tend to be the Midwest is really probably out in front of everyone nationally in terms of that affordable assisted living so places like Chicago Minneapolis Cincinnati they are doing some interesting things to do it and that's really something that we're going to need the state to be part of as well because it's the state systems in addition to the federal systems and then I also had conversations recently locally with older properties about this concept and so it's on a radar I just think it is so complicated that it's going to take us a little bit longer to do it also I wanted to I don't know if everybody here knows it but everything the LHA has done in the last maybe ten years building-wise most of it has been for seniors so if people are wondering why the new projects are not age-restricted anymore it's because they have not done projects for a wide range of age group in a long time it's really been more seniors that they've focused on but the ones that are coming up that are not age-restricted seniors are also available to move there they're just one of many people who will be applying for those apartments so they can still get apartments there we we advise that safe lots program be brought brought back and be supported and funded by the city in addition to private organizations what would you think of that I'm going to dodge again because it's really a council policy issue you know what we've told council there's an interesting point in that when you have limited resources and part of the safe life project was that they didn't get continued funding for the state that's really what impacted them you know when we think about it and we look at the housing projects that were built bringing forward to the council there's a policy decision they're going to have to make so for pretty much every affordable housing project whether from the affordable housing fund you know we're putting in anywhere from thinking about a million and a half to three million in terms of managing the gap even with tax credits and so you know if you start pulling down on that money for other things then it could impact what you're able to do in terms of constructing units and so you know that is something that they'll have to have a policy conversation on but we're going to have to work them through the impacts of the funding and what that looks like to the overall affordable housing for the capital states and we recommend that zoning laws be reviewed to allow the entire density of housing so what's interesting is in terms of our code our land development codes actually in pretty good shape for that and we found that actually out through the 185 units that we were talking about in that there are different ways you can do it in most cases where the challenge comes in is actually in the design standards and so we've been working to review the design standards and that's really engineering and so think about you need X amount of sit back from a gas line X amount of sit back from a water line X amount of sit back and it's engineering that starts making that a challenge the housing projects that I talked about in 185 units we've actually testing the design standard changes that we're going to be bringing to the city council and the way we're able to do it and this is why I say the code is not an impediment is we're actually going in with a planned unit development or a PUD process which allows us to adjust the design standards and here's what we found the council's policy on sustainability and says you know let's not use gas but what we found is a including gas lines of that housing development added about $1.5 to $1.7 million to the construction cost it actually blew up everything that you're talking about in terms of sit backs that doesn't allow you to achieve the density because excel says here's our rule here's our sit backs and if we're in this is what you're going to do so we made the decision on that project it's going to be all electric and it's going to hit that it's our sustainability goals but be but to start compacting our sit backs and so internally we're working with our power group to say you don't need a five foot sit back and water and how you blow those into alleys and so we know that for the most part we're able to accommodate that and they're going through review this week and once they do we can test it we're going to be bringing the design standards for a more urban based design code and what that will mean is if you're building urban based projects you can use this code if you're going to build a suburban based project so think of every neighborhood that's been built probably over the last 20 years here's your code and we're not going to let them mix the two because if you allow for an urban based standard all you're getting is a suburban based product you're not maximizing the use of land and getting the density you need to bring the housing prices down so I'm consistent with what we've been saying oh yeah it makes me so happy Carol can I ask a question as we are building the housing projects a lot of folks don't have the backyard to play in so there could be a bigger impact to the park systems I guess my question is when it comes to resource services that Senior Services does and recreation would it be a good plan for us to try to go into the housing facilities or is it best to try to get people to our facilities so they get some time away as we've thought about this think about market rate apartments that are being built so all of the new ones include really robust gym facilities and they include other amenities I think what we're finding from the housing authorities perspective is that assuming that people can just make it to where you are it is I think an assumption that when we look at really is not a good assumption because when we think about accessibility to transportation and we think about financial means to do it it doesn't work and so you've heard me say this organizationally I think we need to be at our center of excellence model start figuring out how do we look at going to other places where the infrastructure is built because that reduces the capital cost that you have coming in and then you're only dealing with incremental you know operational costs that is easier to step into and the more that we can capitalize on existing facilities the more we can expand our services across the board from the city geographically into all areas of our community and we're testing that out actually right now at the streets so we're partnering with the recovery campaign because we know one of the challenges that we have in permanent support housing is recovery and when I say recovery I'm talking about alcohol I'm talking about drugs I'm talking about mental health recovery and you know I've learned something from them that we're all in some form of recovery on something and we know that's impediment to housing and so we are partnering with the recovery cafe where they're actually going on site now to the streets and we're seeing that it's already having an advantageable difference in terms of how they live with each other and if this works we're going to talk to them about doing it potentially at other housing with the word properties and so A is more cost effective B you're getting to where people need to be and we know that many of these places they don't have cars and even the younger population and so the more we can reach out I think it's probably the financially prudent decision to make Can I add something there I think a lot of the social issues that we run into within the housing sites could also be helped by helping people get out because there's a stewing that happens if you just stay inside the building all day the people around you are staying inside the building all day there's a lot of benefit to trying to get people out of the community well the credit to Arlene and the council because it was Arlene's idea on the partnership with the and so that's a big part of that too so it's the mix what we're also thinking about is how do we bring people from the community to those occasions which is a different look at that but the neighborhood we live in is immediately adjacent to a market rate multi-family unit and four affordable housing units and how do we create partnerships with the neighborhood so the neighborhood engages as well because I think it's both of those things we have to do we only have two left we advise low cost housing options or a co-sponsor by LHA VCHA and the city of Longmont like the Spok continue to be considered in plan and I'm sure that's something you think of and outside of housing the board advising that advises that more daycare programs for older adults be developed and we're not sure how to do that and we'd like to know is there something we could do as a board to help that or look into that or whatever that would be a nice that would be something we'd be interested in finding out about what do you, what level of daycare so let me give you context so when we think of that is you know I've lost the term you're right memory care so you have, you know everything from mild memory care facilities to mid-level memory care facilities to high-level memory care in that point because care give results and eat and so what are you all talking about in terms of that you know I would have to bring that back to the board but I think what we spoke about was similar to what goes on down birth but third and Terry at the church yeah it's called a day place and it serves folks with all kinds of health issues not just memory needs but there is a limit on if you need a certain level of distance with functioning that they just don't have staffing to require that level of care so it's not so much about the level of memory need as so much their physical capacity and can they do things like use the restroom on their own so I think Carol the ideal thing would be from say 8 to 5 or something like that so that all of the kids who are working can get a parent who needs extra care to a facility they still can maintain the job and do it that way and the socialization in those places at daycare facilities is great for the the adults too so I think that would be ideal but of course you know they have drop in during the day probably then that would be the ideal thing would be to help them children right now who are part of that sandwich generation get to take care of their parents and then we're going to be coming back with that one okay and that's it that's it for housing alright Arlene are you ready I am ready that's going to be really short you've talked about a lot of this this morning so microtransit and we have I've talked about this in the meeting here before as to how it's going what it's going to do so I don't know what the RFP says so my questions are are we going to be able with the microtransit to be able to transport somebody that's head and cap either with a walker or with a wheelchair because that would be you know a definite concern and I know that it hasn't really been decided yet as to whether or not that's going to be door to door in cases of somebody who has a difficult time getting to where the location would be would they be able to be door to door or I think we're going to miss a lot of people that way and it needs to be forever to go not just seniors but a cluster advocate and for seniors but and then the price I know that it's not going to be free and it needs to be a reasonable price when you start looking at people with low incomes that can they afford would we be able to take families would we be able to take a mother with her children to get them to school to be here or something like that so I don't know what what your RFP is going to say but are those things that are being considered those are all things we're thinking about the RFP process on this is going to be a little different so we are engaging over the last two years we've started testing out the concept of from a purchasing standpoint the best value approach and the best value approach is different I don't want to get too wonky on you all right now but there was a professor out of Arizona state that started evaluating governmental bids and what they found in governmental bids is that they typically were coming in anywhere from 46% higher than what they were seeing in the private side and they were seeing that the process typically for the year to get through from bids to contracting and so on and so forth so what they developed is this approach that actually needs federal procurement standards and the intent is is to compress everything and part of it is why is it more expensive for government bids because typically what they found is that governments micromanaged the contract to the point that the companies that were bidding on it were not sending in their AD and typically were sending in their CD and the reason they did it is because they weren't going to send their most productive employees into the situation that they were going to be micromanaged and they sent their employees in that needed to micromanage it they tested this out in different places and the data is very clear that it's the difference and I will tell you we've seen it locally so we did our we did buy parks the process we cut the time down by 50% at least and cutting it down by 50% we actually ran into a situation where it started work that pulled the site out of the contract it's a good thing to see we're still learning through it but what you do is you go into the process and you go here's your problem here's our problem so the bid itself is less than 5 pages essentially a problem statement saying here's what we're doing they then have to provide you I believe it's under 10 pages the solution to the problem and then they come in and you only allow one person to talk to you and they tell you now you're going to solve it how they're going to solve it and then you make the decision and so what you're really doing is flipping the process on a 10 and allowing the experts who have done this nationally to come in and go this is what we're going to do so we're going to utilize that approach in this we've done it in other areas and it works the thing for us internally it's a struggle because it's something that like 95% of our organization is not used to and it's a bit scary but it works and so they will answer a lot of the questions that you're talking about in terms of all of those issues based on what they've done and other communities and how it approaches so it will be ADA accessible it may be see they're going to integrate in to the broader system so they're going to integrate in and connect with RTB, Accessori they're going to integrate in with VIA they're going to integrate with all these other groups and so from a customer's perspective what we're hoping is that if you call them and they have to get Accessori to come in they're not sort of in limbo going are they going to be here they're going to be facilitating that because it may be to accessorize the better pit for the particular customer but they're going to be communicating with that so yes those are all on our list we're going to see what they tell us and how they solve it I like the idea of the the way that you're doing contracts because I've been on the other end there are like 30 pages of instructions of this, this, this and this that's crazy so the front range passenger rail what we talked about the 8% and I brought that up here because I think that's an excellent way for people to be able to get down to the airport if their ticket that they buy here will also work to get them on the train in Denver to get to the airport so if we can keep that kind of everything will work or if their ticket from here will get them to Denver or even four Collins or Pueblo or Cheyenne if they can eventually get that then will that work for a 24 hour day or how will that work so those are all kind of things that we're concerned about but I think for seniors it's excellent that they can go if you have a doctor's appointment in Denver so those are things that we're definitely talking about and if I can answer one question one of the things that we're looking at is really an income based B structure and an operation we're probably going to have to do that well we're in the process so we brought in Cells Force which is didn't we brought it in our utilities which is probably the premier of what do they call it customer relation management software most fortunate one hundred companies utilize it in terms of managing the customer base so we're bringing that in and what we're hoping to do with that is to integrate it's not recreate systems but mine the data where concepts so that as people are in different structures we can connect so that then Jeff wants to create a program of recreation based on income instead of having people fill stuff out again we can automatically do it and we're getting ready to test that out with our housing authority folks related to actually grocery tax conversation has nothing to do with what people said we actually ran into this before where we knew I had a meeting with somebody who was an HCD voucher recipient older adult and they came into the meeting because their life changed and we had to negotiate some agreements that we had and they had a copy of the care program and I was like why are we making people who we know need the qualifications apply to something and so right now we're working on if you're an HCD recipient if you're living in affordable housing we're going to import that data over so those individuals are automatically qualified for the grocery tax attention I had a conversation with El Comentay who said look if you have the data that tells me people qualify how do we work with you so you can import that over once you figure our side out on the housing internally we're going to reach out to Boulder County because we know they have voucher recipients here and we think in a very short period of time we're going to dramatically increase the number of people that receive your grocery tax attention but it was literally me being in a meeting going why are we doing this and so we can use the same process to your point of how we set the rate structures for the transportation system we can look at the data set and then make that easy an easier transition so one of the other things that we are looking at are advocating for is that Firesville law and local military hub I think that that's an excellent idea over there but how do we get there so is the city looking at your RTD or some of our local bus services here to be able to get people out there, seniors out there so they can take the bus down to Denver or Fort Collins River or how are we doing so that's our so it's an interesting question because Southwest Well County is not in the RTD system so there is an operational boundary that is established in terms of where RTD can operate our thought process is in the microtransit program once we figure it out and get it running is to start talking to places like Fed, Frederick and Firesville to have them participate in the program to a certain extent to bridge that gap because there become some interesting dilemmas I mean if you think about it you know where Smothers is that area that they're developing just coming to the east of it that's actually Firesville and so understanding the jurisdiction's responsibility and how that works in terms of people from here to there you know that's something we're going to talk about the question really is can we bring people from there here and it could be a pricey decision to say and the microtransit operator will have to do what it does it will go out and pick you up what you may pay to three times the amount that a resident of Longmont would pay because we're subsidizing that not only are RTD putting money into it we're putting money in from our transportation fund so how you allow people from a different jurisdiction to take advantage of the subsidy that we're putting in locally is the harder that question okay so Firesville is actually looking at you guys just how the microtransit is going to work so that they can kind of I don't know about Firesville I know that Firesville is looking at this and some other places because I've had conversations we're going to engage in that once we get the RTD done to see if there's an interest and I'm talking to some folks who are in Firesville to maybe help us to take that conversation so one of the other things that we talked about was a street crosswalk lights and I notice this usually when I'm driving around I kind of watch to see when does the light change for the person who's trying to walk across and so I saw somebody trying to get across when the light changed and said it's free you can go and it was somebody on a bicycle at the same time the person was turning so it's the education of the traffic the people and all that kind of stuff but I think where I see a nice situation is where traffic is stopped the people get the option to go across first for like about 3 or 4 seconds and then the light comes on and says 20 or whatever I'd like to see that continue and some of it pretty much throughout the city if that's possible I know it has to do with the computer and everything else but... So there's actually an answer to that question So the signal system that we've had in place for years isn't not as adaptive as we would want it and probably should have been replaced 15, 20 years ago it wasn't we had a new traffic engineer come in and so part of what we're doing organizationally is assessing our infrastructure so I'm kind of that core service piece which just falls there to do and what we realized was as part of a conversation with the DDA in downtown all of those issues were being brought up so we started evaluating it at the same time our system started failing and so we started doing a financial analysis on it and if we were to replace that system the one we had it would have been millions of dollars but we had another more modern system that was less expensive so we are actually in the process right now of changing out signal lights along main so we've identified some areas that are a priority to change those signal lights out and when it's implemented that they're more adaptive so you're going to see more cameras there so they're actually going to be able to provide us the traffic counts in terms of the number of bytes we have but it's also going to monitor be able to monitor the intersection so if you're walking across the intersection and crossing in front of the pump house and by the time you're three quarters of the way you're out of time this will actually monitor it and it'll have the ability to extend the amount of time on the crosswalk basin whether or not people are actually still in the intersection and then we just received a significant grant a significant grant from the state to actually replace all of our majority of our signals in the community and once that's done then it'll start looking a lot different than how the signal system works now and it's more AI based and how it works and it also gives us the ability and manage a system of different kinds of the day if you know there's something happening part of the challenge we also have is trains and so because that'll muck up the signal system in the blink of an eye and Becky's actually working with the group that's going to have an app they're testing this that people can get the app to figure out where the trains are blocking intersections and so what we're thinking about doing is how do we integrate that data set into this other system so that we're more in tune to what's going on and then sort of the last thing and I know you've heard me talk about this before is the grocery shopping is excellent that we're doing at the facilities and going back to the socialization thing and getting people out I would love to see us be able to update that get you know different things going on so that they get a tin if they wanted to go to the farmers market they can go downtown when you guys have things going on they can just do things that they're not able to do right now because you're just on that transportation to do it and yes it's great for the housing people but there's also other places here in town that people are not getting out in the round so I think it would be how can we help that um yeah I mean that's interesting you know one of the things I was thinking about is you know when you look at a lot of assisted voting facilities they have transportation and I think how would you all engage with some of those assisted voting facilities to encourage them to do it because you know because if they have it you know my question that you know I saw this every day is you know why aren't they doing that because obviously people are paying for that service and then the charges and then you know I call it a death by a thousand guys you know I said to the council on a regular basis you know government can't solve everything they just don't have enough resources to do it and the more we can start hitting and getting different people to partner in this the more able we're going to be to really deal with those areas where someone lives in an assisted voting facility because they don't have that transportation and we can really get targeted as to where we're doing it and that helps us manage the cost a little bit but I think that's one thing that you all could really help us with because we just don't have the capacity to engage in these conversations I think it's something at least on the housing authority side we're continuing to look at the more financially solvent we become I think the more robust the services are going to be that we can provide we're pretty close I presented to the council on the budget and I think our general fund budget for the housing authority we're now able to project it out over time I think you saw it I think we were at 1.5 million before which is like a pair of bones we're now at 3 million and so as we look at other projects and building that and as these new projects come in and are able to pay more to administrative fees and as a general fund I think we start getting some more capacity financially but my god tells me on the housing authority side we're probably still two or three years away from really having the financial ability and then how do we partner with the city on the housing authority side for some of these gaps I'm going to contain yes but I thought our main question was about neighborhoods that aren't assisted living or housing like just a trailer park on 16 or you know there's neighborhoods in the northeast there's there are places where few people have cars and it would be good to have the lectures and I'll walk out with you because I have an idea about that and part of the answer may be microtransit we don't know and I think if we had a chance to get through the microtransit that actually may be the solution then if it's income based and let's say it's 50 cents you know I think we need to get through that microtransit R and P because I do think the world's going to change dramatically once we get to microtransit is microtransit going to be 24-7? um again I don't know because I haven't had the R and P out now that it'll be 24-7 but they're really what we've seen is they're really entuned into the life cycles of communities and understanding where people are going and so it may not be 24-7 community-wide but they may have longer service hours and we're seeing it down happen because people tend to go there so they have value in all of that data there alright I got 7 minutes to wrap it up 7 minutes to give the heart set up here the senior center has a real problem right now and it's really kind of critical in my opinion I think everybody on the table agrees and maybe you know what I'm going to say but that problem is wait time we've got roughly 4-5 weeks wait time right now and we've got 180 people right now that have been on I think for more than about 4 weeks so we've got 90 people that have 2 weeks or less for what? safe wait time what are they waiting for? I'm sort of an interview with the resource specialist I've been thinking so much resource specialist that we need to play but yeah and that's a good segue all the problems that we've been talking about is housing or transportation and all other kinds of problems that kind of falls down on resource specialist on the shoulders of the resource specialist and I'm not going to give you a lot of reviews right now but the number of clients individual clients from 2022 to 24 increased from 832 to 14 I mean that's a 60 230 increased 60% increase and so the amount of time that's spent on these interviews is just getting me really willing now I don't have a first time knowledge but just from my observation the average number of people like what we saw just calculated that the average number of people that the resource specialist sees is about 528 an year and what they showed what they were doing in 1980 was about 300 300 something like that so it's got a huge increase in the number of people that they see at the same number of resource specialists and so that's why that's a major reason why we have that many time that we did and the number of contacts has increased this is incredible the number of contacts with those individuals has gone from over 2,000 to about 3,400 now again the same style well you know where I'm going with this is it clogs up everything there's a cancellation there's an emergency or something that screws up the whole day and then on the consumer side the client for example they might get rescheduled and they go back to the line and the resource specialist doesn't have opening because they're full so that's why I say there's a real problem here it all comes down on the heads of the resource specialist so I put a pencil to this and I know what you're going to think and I'm the first one really to talk about hard dollars here but the board last time at our last meeting recommended that we have additional staff resource specialists and I remember this thing and I can you know I know there's I know there's budget limitations I know that and I know the city is under a lot of pressure for all this but I can't like we can't like a little more alternative than that sure there's certain efficacy that can be implemented certain efficiencies that can be implemented but the problem is it's just about too many people do population increase the housing increase now all of those kinds of things it is an issue and I think everybody around the table at least with us so the motion was that we have two additional resource specialists one bilingual to address the problems that we're talking about in the administrative system I put a pencil to it entry-level salary for those plus benefits over about 100 million dollars and that sounds like a lot but it isn't really in the whole scheme of things but I'm just saying that's what we see is the media and the board will encourage Ronnie to put that in his budget and that hopefully he will leave himself to it and we will follow this conversation of the letter to the city council and we will include that in our recommendations and so I hope today you've got the the foundation so it's the facts to support where we need staff the most I mean there's several needs and that seems to be a real credit for me yeah you know as I'm looking back on the positions that we've recommended to councilmen with the brand you have with history those that tends to be where we've added positions but then senior services because of everything that you just talked about so I wish I could say that this was the place that's occurring I mean we're having the same issue in new services slightly different in terms of you know and I'll just talk to you about what we're seeing in new services there's probably a more direct correlation into some of the crime issues that we've seen in our community recently and so in the last year's budget process we kind of focused on that so what we had was a parent resource specialist and program manager and that was really based on things that we weren't anticipating that occurred or that occurred but I will tell you in my mind the resource specialists in terms of the request always tend to really get my attention in terms of a recommendation to council you know honestly the council has had different communications from different folks we want more programmers we want more programmers we've met with friends of the senior center I think that was the dominant conversation for programmers I'll tell you what I said if I'm given a choice and the need is resource specialists versus programmers the recommendation that I'm going to make to the council all the time is the resource specialist because we've got to be focused on people's health safety and well-being and it creates an odd tension here because people want more programming I've talked to them that said maybe we need to re-look at how we do programming and do it almost on an income-based component because I'm pretty close to being able to 65 right? so I'm three years away from being able to take advantage of programming here I appreciate that I'll squeeze another three or four minutes sure, sure so what I will tell you is obviously that is front and center Ronnie and Christina and everybody they've been communicating last budget on the housing authority side we adjusted the resource specialist there to actually find it completely out of the housing authority to take some of the work off of the resource specialist we also funded the council approved utilizing the marijuana tags to fund two clinicians via that and then we also funded one clinician out of the housing authority again to maybe take some of the load off of the resource specialist so while it wasn't directly here it was designed to assist it and they're all working together that the first one no and so and that's front and center in our minds too because we also know the demographics are changing so what I'll tell you for me is in many ways you're preaching to the choir based on what they have been communicating to me and you know at the end of the day for us it just you know so when we go into budget and I said this before you know you take salary increases off you take must pay bills off you take benefits off and then you give to what inherently have left over to deal with but those areas aren't front and center in my mind because there's an additional cost that we start incurring as a community if you don't have those services in place and so you know a little bit of the work that we're doing Christina has convened everybody that's providing mental health services in the city so that for the first time since I've been here we've been trying this for 12 years to do this first time we've ever really been able to do it so everybody providing mental health services are now working with each other so instead of us working in silos whether it's police or two services they're working collectively so how can we take advantage of an economy scale and that work is really setting us up to make some of these other decisions and strategically doing it but definitely hear it and I see the work that you're doing and I see how it's taxing and it's growing and so yeah that's not lost on me well thank you what I need to help on is when we do make the decisions to say we're going to fund a resource specialist and I think what council needs help on I don't want to speak for them to make these decisions and then we're getting just blasted because well we didn't fill a programming position I think the more that you all can help others understand that you have to need to want to that would help us a lot because I think there's a parent who needs that okay this is what I'm about to say is not endorse by the board it's just basically me thinking but I think a lot of them agree that is you talked about equity in your opening statement and that's my top issue that I'm going to call support and I think before we help as far as we must justify whatever it is that we're asking for if we have a lot more hard data than we do the council members do look at hard data the problem is right now we don't have a lot of hard data and we do we do have a lot of reports we have a lot of global data stuff but we don't really have hard data so I guess what I'm getting at here is I want to know do you agree with the whole idea of more comprehensive data collection for example I'm getting back to the idea of equity I think we need to pay more attention to specific demographic groups for example I'm just making this up but Hispanic veterans people over five 85 with disability I mean you can go on and on as far as different kind of demographic groups but I don't think there's leads out there that's our problem but we don't know the extent to which we should allocate our services not special programs in my mind but the services like we've been talking about two different segments of the community to make it fair and so I guess I'm wondering and you always have problems of ethnicity sex and some people say that that interferes with relationships with the services that are provided and that's true too but I guess I'm do you have a position or a philosophy or a point of view on that that would help us so I have to preach so here's what we've done we a few years ago applied to be part of the Bloomberg what work cities which is about data-required decision making and as issues now I will say that data is important but there's also things you know I talked to staff about data is not the end-all deal it's important many of the things we do there's an art form to it as well and that's the experience that these ones bring into play so we went through that program we did organizationally and there was a situation where we had haves and have nots and what I mean by that is our enterprise funds had more capacity in terms of doing that type of work just because they have a budget to do it and Becky Doyle was reading that initiative we restructured recently and I moved Becky's division and it's called strategic immigration so they are leading what we call the slave and the data drivers and so we have created different processes for data sharing to give you a sense of how rude some of the things were I had different departments going you can't have access to my data and I had this slide in and you don't own the data utility building department I have management of the data and so it took us a while to get through now where all the data is going to go into the data warehouse now obviously if a related issue is things like that will be protected but the data is going to go into the data warehouse so let me talk about civil force that's part of that piece so anyway we moved to strategic integration out of the utilities and moved it into internal services and internal services is the group in our organization that supports the entire organization and we have been putting positions in there via split funding to do that type of work so that we understand the data how do we create dashboards for the city council that says here's what we're doing how do you give me a dashboard where I can see what's going on operationally mine's going to be much more robust than probably anyone else's where I can get down to granular level if I see it as part of the work that we're doing in terms of project management project management is bigger than just capital project management is something that we're working on just in our daily work where when it's fully built out there will be alerts that are created in the system for me so we can then set targets to say the wait period for resource specialists to use just theoretically if that wait list starts getting out to three weeks I might get a yellow alert Christina will get however she wants it or Ronnie wants it it gets out to four weeks if you create the red alert and that's going to give us more immediate information in what we're doing and so to the point in this we have put resources in we're bringing the right folks in to assist everybody in doing this work because I'll tell you when I look at the group here they never had that assistance historically and now we have the assistance and to give you an example of what Jeff and I talked about I don't want to know how many people go into the Rec Center I want to know how many people go into the Rec Center and use the swimming facility how many use the gyms how many use the programs because aggregate data tells me nothing and that's going to start forming decision making where we can go to the council and say these five programs aren't being utilized we need to adjust right now you're right it's all anecdotal a lot of it is anecdotal when we're making these decisions so and I know councillor Martin and others are really good pushing for this but it's a resetting of the overall system but absolutely we need to have that because we need to make data informed decisions and the lesson for this board is going to be going forward and I've already learned this lesson if you think you need information about something ask first because the city may already have it and you just are the first person to ask the question and that's a focus of our department in our three service areas so Ronnie can talk a little bit more as we move forward to kind of how we're going to tackle that in our department retreat and kind of the work around that and to councillor Martin's point you know we might already have some of that and might already be collecting some of that or it might be on the horizon you know as we move into this department work and we'll be partnering with strategic integrations and make sure that we have some of that and part of it is what I would say is and that as you evolve and as you change things change and so by no means do I want this to come across as disparaging to any individual but one of the things that I've seen especially here is that so much of the work was done and it was on paper or it was on separate spreadsheet and so it was virtually impossible to really do the data analytics working it to because it just wasn't in form that you could do that take it up and start evaluating and so many of the things that Ronnie's been working on is really creating a base infrastructure that we need here and it's not just here I mean we've seen it in other places but I use it here because we've had these innovations it's everything we just didn't have the technological ability because of everything I just talked about to really slide into that what we have in the data we need and I will say that's I think been part of the challenges that Randy faced and Ronnie is really moving into this where we move out of paper and basic spreadsheets into a system that can work and I actually think Salesforce is probably going to be the bridge to where we can move into that direction and it's fully implemented we will be able to connect an individual from senior services to rec center to next slide to utility building to all of these issues and that then we can proactively if Randy is dealing with someone who is struggling with financial issues we'll be able to proactively make sure they're in programs and understand what people are using and so it's really going to help us with the well-being of an individual part of what's coming out of Salesforce to the data piece as we talk about enabling caring communities we started this work six years ago we knew inherently that we were not connecting as an organization around people that were serving I know there were clients that they were dealing with that they were struggling with that weren't necessarily giving the services they needed because other departments were facilitating these so we had a client that probably needed to be and then Rick here you probably know exactly what I'm talking about but but Michelle and I, I mean it was just your accident that people connected what we ended up finding out was that that individual was calling the fire department to change batteries and do other stuff they were also putting the laundry into the dryer and doing other things and so what happened was that we had a completely different department that was facilitating the behavior that wasn't allowing that person to get into a memory care facility so nothing existed six years ago but we did meet with the fire department on the record but it was it was the human intelligence and a share of everything they just happened to see each other at a location and talked about it I can give you a hundred other examples of that occurring so nothing existed six years ago so it started working with the University of Colorado School of Health and others to say how do we do this enabling caring communities it's essentially middleware that connects us organizationally that's forward to today when we brought Salesforce in we started milling around it and they have built that platform up so we're in conversations now with Salesforce and operationalizing it what would that allow us to do and if we can have if we have the money to do it don't look at me I can give my taxes to you I may come to counsel but we probably want to test it in the housing authority world first because what it lets us do is it lets people opt in so you don't mind me picking up that's okay so a resident you could opt into it to say here's all this information about me if you had a caregiver you could go here's my primary caregiver here's your name you had a secondary and then if anything were ever to happen we would the police department, the fire department would have the information necessary so well for a checker horrible issue for us now like there's a federal law that we have to deal with we can't just go in anymore but if you gave us permission then they could just go in it would then start to notify everyone so if brandy was your case worker and fire department transported then all of a sudden it alerted brandy to an issue you can alert caregiver and so it starts connecting everyone organizationally around the individual advanced much advanced so you're eliminating the human intelligence and you're utilizing artificial intelligence to serve the individual at a much higher level if the individual doesn't opt in it still gives us the ability so let's say somebody comes in and I had this happen someone with mental health issues came into our office and was really having to struggle with it happened that there was somebody that worked three offices down it made the person so they were able to call the individual's model but for that we're probably in a much different way of how we're dealing with it and calling public safety leave because we don't know it would give us the ability to find the individual's name in I may know nothing other than the person with no work that says call brandy queen and I could go brandy I put this person's name in here's what's going on and brandy could go I got it or here's what we need to do and so the streamlining so to your point on data and all of this we're slowly sliding into this world it's organization it's a challenge though I can see that I know a lot of developers have it a lot to do much more I don't even care so I just have a question for just to check probably just to answer no answer as we are bringing new businesses into the community of the larger businesses that we bring in are we saying to them do you have the ability to provide an ECE center in your facility to accommodate your people who are working for you we have not done that on the business side where we have done that though is through work with our permits for housing so we're currently working with the Colorado Health Foundation to co-locate early childhood centers as LJ programs and so we're going to highlight that out but my knowledge that has not been done with any businesses but that is a good thing to follow along so in Christina's world though in the economic development world yes we're starting to see that so businesses are communicating into a system that says we need it and I know they're starting to work with each other and how we do it so we're partnering with TLC on our early childhood care center and money that the council has allocated businesses have also come together on that and I believe it's UC Health and Smuckers but it's a different portal but in these areas we need to kind of streamline to make sure that she's aware of it and so what we have done on the early childhood side though is map through the connection that Harold talked about what work cities we have looked at a dashboard and worked with consultants to map where childcare deserts are located within our community and so you know if it's building capacity with a certain childcare center that needs to expand or how we work with TLC that's kind of how we're we're involved at that level yes sir yeah I just wanted to ask you a question that I'll take an hour but I'll just push it into a few seconds as seniors they want to maximize as much income as they can and as they get seniors there's only a few things they can do one of them would be the Homestead Act the critical is you'd have to be in that property for 10 years well if you sell your property and move into another house divide well then you'd have to wait another 10 years before you get the Homestead Act so I was hoping that the Homestead Act throw away the 10 years if you're 65 and older then you can qualify for the tax reduction so that's one way they can get some income and spend it on transportation or food or whatever they need the other one would be property tax and mill levies you know a senior's been here for 30 some years they've been paying property tax and mill levies for that long of a time and now that they're seniors do they still need to get that 30% increase or 20% increase on mill levies they've been paying for many years so I think that should be eliminated and only have it for General Powell that says we only want inflation to be 2% so I think there should only be a 2% increase on that now and also on social security I think there's only 5 states that have to pay seniors have to pay taxes and of course Colorado is one of them so I was hoping that there would be some new bill that would eliminate social security taxes for seniors who have a Colorado most of them are almost everything state or federal so in terms of how we interplay with that the council will take positions on bills that are coming forward I will say as part of the housing issue generally I know there were some conversations about the Homestead Act and that 10-year issue because part of the challenge that's creating the housing issue for us is because of the cost of housing you know the state is talking about this one of the things that is creating issues with supply is because of the cost of housing over adults aren't selling their house in the way that they used to and then you add the Homestead component to it and then they lose the tax exemption they're staying in the homes and so what that's doing is that's reducing the natural supply that occurs typically in a housing market which has been also artificially raising the cost of housing because you don't have the natural turn in homes so I know that I've been in a couple of presentations where they're talking about it but in terms of what they do I'm not sure but when those bills do come forward the council does engage and support those that's that's all we got I mean I would take those issues and talk to our state leaders so here's another one anything else for Harold or for Steve thank you so much no problem any time okay next week well and I mean and I'll say this is about Ronnie I mean honestly I probably spoken to you all more than I have in the time I've been here that's because they're bringing me in you know I tell staff let me know when you want to come in and they're bringing me in and so some people take advantage of it, some people don't but what I wanted you all to know that Ronnie is definitely one of this like I need you in to talk about this and it's like alright I think we've done it two or three times over the last weeks I know we've done it a lot over the last month so you know just communicate with Ronnie he does a great job of following things up and definitely getting a different view of things yeah we communicate a great way sometimes good thing alright alright thank you thank you for the coffee it's not a breath it's not a breath it's not a breath alright I know we're doing it need a minute left thank you Ronnie is there anything that you can put your report off to them? that's fine in that case I will just say can we just have a minute or two and bring that up for everybody I need to go there alright okay I'm so seated I can tell later this is only next meeting we're going to have a friend Chuck that's his last name Peter okay Chuck Peter is going to be here and I asked him and we've had a couple of people on the board and we'd like to know more about what's going on so that's what we're coming I don't know how long that will be I guess I'll give you a couple of minutes to laugh okay and then the other thing is you heard what Ronnie was saying and Sheila had his son and I heard to myself about reports and that's how we handled it you already had two people committed to this and I'd like to do that again some new areas we're not going to forget about housing transportation but we need to move on to some other areas so for the new people on the board I would suggest that you pick from one of the each of you can name them yourself for your pressure so I don't know anything about that one and substance abuse it could be the same for example, mental health and substance abuse caregiving financial employment legal food assistance home services veterans safety we can look into and we can talk more about that in the next meeting one that I am particularly interested in is the climate change and how that impacts policy how it impacts services to seniors heat mitigation for example that might be something I do anyway those are all areas think about it and you all have your own interests and your expertise and you can do something in those areas next year next year this time it will be the same so you sent us an email and I think you only listed three of the 17 can you just send us a email all of them I will I'll send you a reminder in a couple of weeks Harold mentioned urban child care three of them child care senior care is it appropriate for us to look at that sure I think you can combine that with adult day care so we have lots of grandparents who care for them so with the information you are asking for additional reports and stuff are we going to have to be extending this meeting to three hours because we could consistently put everything ago I mean that's just I'm just throwing that out but I'm just wondering if that's something we're going to eventually get to are you serious you know I think it's something that yeah because we don't ever get through any of this stuff well maybe if we put too much on the agenda well that's something we can talk about oh you heard of maybe you didn't hear about it she just suggested maybe we should have three hour meetings three hour meetings tough times we always have getting through our agenda in two hours maybe we can increase that okay but I don't think we should increase but I would like to see how it is and that's like about maybe we can just talk about that yeah yeah right you know when you talk about complicated issues and it takes time to think it through maybe you're right that's something we're going to make you mention substance abuse and I don't have an answer I don't have an access to substance abuse and I'm following all the rules I'm following the rules I'm sending you zero and the answers are very good um one is that I'm a kind of positive person so you're it's a lot of so and that but okay I don't know if I have that on today I think that's possible a lot of times they're managing that they don't care so they're managing they need to go they need to grow to this better quality and problems addiction and what I saw was that the possibility of money that day and the brain the brain surgeon would be this happy that spot and then they'd kill that spot and then their addiction would be the whole thing but that's an experimental brain surgeon it's only got to be on the state so far that's the only way we can have this situation because if you have that patients most people are passing the patient we couldn't hear what was being said sorry can you sum it up it was people who had drug addiction people who had drug addiction and what's the answer right now the therapy would be that person has to be on suboxone or methadone understanding that person has to go pick up methadone once a day and suboxone they'd have to get a prescription maybe once a week but most people who are addicted doesn't matter don't care they don't do nothing maybe somebody can manage them and take them pick up your meds and maybe there's some clinics that they can go to that get some therapy they need somebody to help them but of course a lot of times their answer they don't mind doing nothing so they just get addicted but the other part of it is there might be some type of brain surgery it's more of an echo sound instead of breaking up the brain but that's a new it's an experiment that's in another state and that's the only thing there's a damaged piece of brain they zap it and then there's no longer damage and then that addiction is gone but it's an experiment it isn't 100% maybe 80% people do pass I like to see that looked at maybe bringing a specialist to Colorado or transferring somebody over to Virginia but that's the only solution that I've seen some new ideas but right now there's not a lot of answers it's just to let them overdose well you've got got a good issue it's a difficult one and I think that the issue and I don't know what what are you talking about we're looking at it that's all it is I think we need to be educated but most of us are alright we're going to ask for a motion to adjourn too okay one second all those in favor say aye aye motion passed