Did y'all think there was technical difficulties? Is audio working? Yeah, everything's working. Never a stream without technical difficulties. Actually, last stream. We had no issues. Yeah, sure. We had no issues. Um, welcome everyone. Oh, just a forewarning. I'm doing this, but I really shouldn't be doing this stream. I am exhausted, but we didn't do one yesterday, so I am making sure I do one today. Yo, I see you. Oh my god. 9am McDonald's shift tomorrow. Chat is already great. Why, what's going on? Oh, that. Oh my gosh. Wait, what happened? No, nothing, nothing, nothing. Oh, okay, no. You're gonna trust me. Trusted plays. Trusted with an X said, your weight is technical difficulties.  I'll have you know. Nothing. Okay, so why don't we have a lot to talk about, which is funny enough because I'm, I'm, I'm tired. So, um, yeah, we'll let Patreon people join and ask like a question near the end. We got things to talk about first. Speaking of weight, I'm eating. Why? Um, okay. Wonderland is very safe. Don't you worry. Brandon, before, uh, before that, should we quickly cover the results of the poll that we had in the Discord server about what people think Wonderland will get first? Go. Um, yeah, go ahead. You, you go ahead with that. I do nothing about that. All right. So for people on the Discord server, we have a polls channel where you'll ask the community questions. Yeah, last time you asked the question, we asked everybody, what do you think will be added to Canada's Wonderland first? And the options were a wing coaster, a wood coaster, or a sit-down launch coaster. And the results were 17 people saying a wing coaster, 16 saying a wood coaster, and 11 saying a sit-down launch coaster. W. So those are the results. Join the Discord. It's actually going to send the link. Yep. I'll post the link in chat if you all want to join the Discord server. You could go grab the polls rule. So you got a notification over you. Post one. But it was basically first place wing, second place wood, and third place sit-down launch. I want a boss coaster. Wonderland is very safe. You have nothing to worry about when you go to Wonderland. I am, except for you. I am going to just mute people that are asking repetitive questions. No, that wasn't directed at. That is Wonderland safe, by the way. I was actually just about to move on. All right. All right. News topic one, you guys pick. Stop. They're all Dragster. Dragster time. Can someone catch me up a little bit? I was at work all day. Okay. So was it, no, two days ago, I think, right? Two days ago. I think Cedar Point posted on Twitter that they will be making an announcement on August 1st. You could probably suspect it's about Dragster because the teaser. It literally has the frack in the image. It has the frack in the image, yeah. The frack is white. It's not primer losers. Also, I'm literally at Cedar Point that day. So. Yeah. You could give us like on-field information, you know? Yeah. On-field, on-park property, trash information. Loading up to Cedar Point Twitter account right now because there's something very interesting in that image where they said get revved up about the rev has three Vs. And yep, there's a picture. There are three Vs instead of one, which people are saying is three launches. Could potentially mean three launches. Okay, but. Or, no. And there's also a three in the eight. Why are, how do people not get that? Like three Vs is three launches because that's exactly how many there are. There's also a three in the eight, like. Wait, let's, let's just go full conspiracy mode, right? Ah! Okay, so. The Roman numeral of five is V. Five, five, five. Five hundred and fifty-five tall spike. Oh my god. Okay, so like what about the three being in the eight? And it's the same three that's at the ending, too. It's- That's, I think that's just like the font. That is not the font. That is the exact same ending of the three. You could overlay them. They are the same. Look at me. Look at me, Isaac. Okay. See, look, even chat sees it. Come on. Okay, maybe that's saying three launches. That's not what we're saying. Yeah, but no. I'm saying the three in the eight means three launches, but the means five hundred and fifty-five. I don't think that's what it means. I think it could very well just be a red herring, but you know, it's food for thought. Are you saying you want to make a bet or like? Because I'm down to bet on this. Three toonies. All right, okay. I was saying like. Twenty, but okay. Three toonies. I don't have that kind of money right now. Okay. We'll let you know the results. I'm August first. It's, as I was saying, even if this isn't directed at the launch, it's going to launch three times. Like it has to, like it can't make it over on launch one and they're not building a spike for them to not launch it onto the spike. And they're not going to launch it up backwards. They're going to launch it straight. It's going to go up the tower. Then they're going to launch it back to get it up the taller spike.  Which means a guaranteed rollback every time. What I think they're going to do is you're going to roll out onto the launch track a bit.  Then with that, you'll gain the energy to go all the way over the top. And what about the three? I don't know. Red herring to misread you. You can't build a taller spike and not use it. The spike is supposed to be taller than the top hat. So says who though? I'm saying I'm going to be on that. Since what? The footing. And I am kind of agreeing with Ryan because then I would lower the cycle time and it allowed them to have more trains running. I feel like it's going to end up being the tallest spike in the world. But it's that's not, it's not going to be taller than 420 feet. Yeah. Because also, I know like 555 the whole thing. If you have a 555, 555, 555, 555 foot tall spike, going down that you are going to have to trim to get over the top back or else it will go over too quickly. Yeah. And I think as of now the top has no trim. So, King of the Car has a trim on the top hat, right? It does, yeah. Yeah, but Trekster doesn't. I meant like the launch would trim you. Or it just wouldn't activate at all. Yeah. It would just, you would just coast on straight track over launch. Yeah. Just straight track. All I'm saying is if it launched three times I feel like it would make the cycle time too long. Yeah. Also, going that far up on the launch track just to reach the beginning of the top hat seems not good. That's too far. So, what do you think they're going to do? They're going to send it just backwards? I think it's going to be forward, back, forward, but... I think it's more so going to be like you go, so you get on the transfer track, slide over, go forwards a little bit, backwards accelerate up the top hat then there's second launch.  Roll backwards. But the launch is being installed now and it's flat. Yeah, there's no air. Okay, then it is. All of the track pieces that are in sight from what I'm aware and have been installed so far is just the old dragster track repainted and refitted with Samperla technology. So like the entire brake run that they've installed now, that's all original dragster track. Nothing, none of that is new, which I must say I'm very eager to see what the Samperla track for the spike is going to look like. How it's going to feel compared to the other track feel if there's like a different feeling in the ride. Yeah. Next news. The park is busy. So, definitely a huge turn of events at Wonderland. I wasn't expecting this to happen in August. So, Suri and I kind of like got informed a bit ago about, not a bit ago, a while ago, about how many passes were sold this year. So when the park started dying in July, I was kind of like, okay, interesting, weird, people not choosing to go, maybe it's gas, maybe people can't just afford gas right now. It really looks like people were just taking a lot of extended cottage time and vacation time. For those of you that don't know, I think I said this last time, I'm making a video. I'm tracking every single top five park in the Cedarford chain wait times every day. And I'm going to make a chart that compares them at the end. And right now, Wonderland is literally leagues ahead. Like it's not even funny. Like we're talking, Cedarpoint will have one ride at like 90 minutes. And then the rest are like 30, 10, 15. Kings Island is like walk-ons. Not so very farms, walk-ons. Again, Kings Dominion. Kings Dominion is not actually part of the top five. Oh, I thought, okay, I didn't hear that part. I was thinking we're just talking about walk-ons. Caroline's is abysmal. I think Cedarpoint has been the closest. Like if you were to average the wait times out, it would be a little bit below Wonderland. The only problem with Cedarpoint is they do have a lot bigger attractions, more bigger attractions, whereas Wonderland has a lot more attractions at the end of the day. But they're not up to scale with Cedarpoint. So that's the problem I'm having right now with comparing those two parks. I'm like, ooh, yikes. Technically, Wonderland's doing better, but then Cedarpoint has these like bigger attractions. So how can you really compare? So I'm going to have to figure something out with that. But nonetheless, Wonderland is definitely not dead anymore, guys. So may the odds be ever in your favor with those queue lines. For example, Fastlane, which this doesn't usually happen until August today, was doing its normal thing where it wraps around and blah, blah, blah. So we waited 20 minutes in Fastlane today for Leviathan. Yeah, so it's definitely busier. That's good news. That's really good news, especially comparing it to the other parks. Any other thoughts from you guys on that? Not really. I mean, it's nice to see that the park's busy. Like getting busy again. The vibes are always immaculate when it's busy. Canada's Wonderland stays winning. I don't know what to tell you. Best park ever. Okay, our coaster lineups. No, okay. Can I start my rant now? Yeah. Today I had a moment and in this moment, I realized, okay, I made my video about how why Wonderland shouldn't get another BNM next. And a lot of people agreed with me, but there were a lot of people that were like, an enthusiast complaining about getting a BNM at their park. I was getting a lot of that. A lot of, you know, you sound entitled, which I really do get. But what you guys, I shouldn't say you guys, but what pisses me off about that is people do not understand how bad Wonderland's coaster lineup is. For example, I just laid it out. King's Island has a superior coaster lineup. So Canada's Wonderland. We have so much junk at Wonderland. And what pisses me off, what really pisses me off, is a launched wing coaster, no matter how you look at it. Oh, I could hear my own echo there. Is going to be Yukon Striker with a launch. I literally, I did, I said this to everyone at the park today and everyone was kind of like, oh. I guess so. Yeah. It's going to launch. It's going to do an Imelman. Okay, Yukon's Imelman. It's then going to go into a turn or, you know, some sort of another like zero G roll or another Imelman or a vertical lip. Same things Yukon does. And by this point, it's losing speed rapidly. Okay. Then it's going to do its turn. And then another turn. And then like a twist, an inline twist, and a corkscrew. Those two elements Yukon doesn't have, but still sluggish. He looks finale. What do you call it? You made me lose my train of thought. Break run. No, but like, it's like these heavy trains. So that's what I was going to say. These heavy wing coaster trains, they cannot do much without a second launch. So, you know, maybe that's, maybe that's the cool thing. Maybe this one will have a second launch, but I really don't think so. We've never seen BNM put two launches on a coaster. No, I feel like most launches on a wing coaster. Wait, does the surf coaster have two launches or no? Yeah, it does. No, it doesn't. I thought it did. I thought it does. It has just one. One launch. It has a launch and a trim. Oh, it's a trim. Okay. I would like to see the new bouncy seats on a BNM, I wonder then. The bouncy seats, like the sit down seats. Wing coaster bouncy seats. Bouncy seats on a wing coaster. I don't think Cedar Fair will ever buy that, because that is a lot of maintenance. The bouncy seats? Yeah. I mean, have you seen much about that yet from Seaworth? Other than it bumped? No. But like, at least when BNM bumps every year, it is what it is. A bump a year keeps BNM happy. Yeah, bumper cars. More investments? Yes, that's correct. More people, more money. Oh, my chat stopped working. Oh, let me refresh chat. Yeah, just refresh. Okay, there we go. Guys, I have not been seeing your comments. Oh my goodness. I actually thought no one was commenting. I was kind of like, I was like, oh, this is kind of a sad stream. Oh my god, what are people saying about my opinions on the wing coaster? But I seem to be agreeing with you. Yeah, I'm just, I just, honestly, this isn't what Wonderland needed, and it scares me. The only good news is, I have a sneaky suspicion, and this is pure speculation, no factual evidence behind this whatsoever, guys.  I'm starting to think that Wonderland might actually be getting back to back coasters. And if it's not back to back, it's like coaster flat ride coaster again, similar to what we saw with Snoopies, you know, Snoopies in 2020. There is a potential we could see the wooden coaster next year in 2024. Again, massive grain of salt, massive grain of salt, because we're getting, I know we're getting a water slide for sure, so it's very unlikely that Cedar Fair would do water slide and thing. But it does shock me that this action theater thing isn't happening. So we know that Wonderland has fallen significantly behind with their investments, and we know that Wonderland has an aggressive plan to move forward. I will say, I was going to talk about this in a video. I guess I can, because there's only 60 people in here right now, so it's not like, but if you go around the park right now, you're going to notice some really interesting things occurring. They're cleaning house on every single piece of merchandise item they own. Med Fair, there's a jester shop that sells like, it has all those big like marvel statues that they're getting rid of them. Squish mellows are now buy one like get one 50% off. That is a really big sign that like in my opinion, the park is going to transition into an actual theme park starting next year. So you'll start to see some themed merch in Med Fair, themed merch in World Expo, themed merch in Frontier Canada, they kind of already do that. But I'm excited because that is an early indicator that we're going to start to actually theme our stuff. If you've even actually been paying attention, some of their merch stores have been dumbing down to just squish mellows and candy, meaning they don't have any merch on hand. If there's nothing for them in stock to put out, obviously they have their typical ride merch at the front gate. No, that's not going to go anywhere. That's always going to be there. But the weird merch that they've been selling is looks like it's coming to an end. And I think that's a really good indicator that we're going to see something cool starting next year. So I'm going to keep my fingers crossed on that. More nano coasters, please. I'm begging. Okay, well, this is what's interesting. I've heard that Wonderland has a really big stock of those um what do you call them? They haven't launched them yet. Coaster cutouts? Coaster cutouts. And then Parkscapes. I heard Wonderland has Parkscapes in stock in a warehouse ready to go. They've had them for over a month now and they're not out on the shelves. So that's telling me again, waiting. They're waiting to launch like a whole new merch line. So fingers crossed. Will they continue selling basketballs? I hope not. But honestly, sports is a big thing in the greater Toronto area, like with the Raptors and thing. So I can't see them getting rid of their sports themed merch at their game stands. I hope with every fiber of my body, they stop giving out those basketballs to people. What's a Parkscape? Can you explain, Brendan? Here. Yeah, Ryan could show you. Oh, even better. I was going to go grab mine. I have a Kerlin's one. Oh, they're pretty cool. It's basically just the skyline of the park as like a in like a line pretty much. Magnum is taller than Millennium Force. Yeah, they're usually decent. Theory. Theories. Like, for example, on the Kerlin's one, the Copperhead strike is beside Fury 35. But it's pretty cool. It's usually just like a skyline. A really cool piece of merchandise, in my opinion. Yeah, and I think it's only $29.99. I think so, right? So. I'm just not chatting. The stream may look so weird. That could go short shot. What was the next thing? Fury. The Kerlin's one. Fury testing. So we know. Last night. Yeah, 1 a.m. Which is weird to me because I would have thought Cedar Fair would have just been testing this thing nonstop until it's ready to go. So that that gives me a really weird vibe that they like like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I find it weird that they're not testing during the day. I would have expected Cedar Fair to get this thing up and running and open. Well, I think they don't run it during the day, because if they see guests seeing it during the day, then they'll run to it and they'll be have upset guests. That's the only thing that I could think of. Get her open. I know Wonderland. Wonderland would have been like, Oh my God. Again, you guys, there's this woman at Wonderland named Heather. I'm not going to say her last name, but she's like second in command now at Wonderland. Thank goodness. Obviously, anyone that works at Wonderland in this call, don't say anything about this woman. But she's amazing, like amazing. Like I've literally fallen in love with this woman's work ethic. I've seen the things she's implemented just this season alone of her taking over. And it's absolutely brilliant. Wonderland will fall apart for a season or two if she ever leaves. There's so many changes that come from her. And she's worked at the park since opening year. And she's just like, she's super passionate. If you ever see it, she's always walking around cleaning. Like I've never seen someone work at a job for so long. Like you usually get burnt out. There's a thing in the industry, like everyone knows it, being called burnt out. I've never seen someone work at a job for the amount of time that she has and climb the ladder to a high, really high position that she has and still walk around that park and wave at enthusiasts, talk to enthusiasts, pick up every little bit of garbage that's in her way. She will stop and pick up garbage. The minute something happens at a ride, she's usually one of the first people there. And she has such a high standard for safety. And it literally transitions into the blood of Wonderland. She is the blood of Wonderland. Sorry, I could go on all day about just how amazing she is in the park and all that. But yeah, amazing. So honestly, I'm a fan girl. Can I connect that back to Fury? What was I talking about? Oh yes, I was saying that Heather would have that ride open yesterday. She would have had it open yesterday.  Just a part that was really hard to come by and the park came by it and had that ride open within a week and a bit, right? A week and two days or something like that? Six days. Crazy, I'll fast. Oh, in six days? Six days. So it was only closed for six days. Insane. And four hours for the rest of the day. Insane. Like it would close at like six o'clock the night before and then six days later at 10 a.m. it opened up. Yes, I'm still friends with Craig. Guys, I'm not going to answer personal life questions though. I'm going to answer that one. He's literally been in like videos on Instagram and all that, like two weeks ago. And I am also friends with Surya. So like that too, someone kept spamming that earlier. But yeah, are we missing any really good? We are going to talk about everything. Don't worry, I've heard someone ask about key switches. We are going to talk about that American park. I going to need you guys to fill me in on that because that was announced while I was at work and I haven't even looked at the pictures of it yet.  I literally read like the first line of an article of it and said, yep, that's never happening. That's about all the information I have on it, to be honest. So funny too, because in the concept art, there's literally just Velocicoster. Just Velocicoster is there. There's also Leviathan. Leviathan is just there. Really? And it's not meant to be there? Well, I don't know what that is. I didn't see Leviathan. I saw Velocicoster. You saw Leviathan? It's on the very right. American something. Oh, wait. Okay, the random view says, did you hear about Disney's patent application for a roller coaster that jumps the track? Universal also has one. Oh, okay. That is universal. Yeah, I was thinking of the Donkey Kong coaster. I was going to say, I have an old friend that is actually working on a lot of those rides for the new Nintendo world. And it's the same company that used to work on Starlight Spectacular at Wonderland. The good projectors. Wonderland bought the cheapest company projectors for Wonder Mountain's Guardian instead of using the company that they should have been working with, the ones that did Starlight Spectacular. We want Surya back. Surya is taking some time, guys. He doesn't even upload that much content on his own page. Surya is not just going to jump back in here, but yes, I would love Surya back too. Trust me. He's not here because no one here isn't letting him. He's taking his own time. The park was called American Heartland. If anyone wants to look it up. Oh my god, don't judge me. You don't know what I'm going through. If Garin had installed the best projectors, where do you have the ride? Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, there's projectors they could have ordered where you didn't need 3D glasses. And it still could have been 3D. What unhealthy stuff. I'm drinking a Sprite. This concept art is so funny because one image, it'll show like Leviathan and Velocicoster beside each other. And then in the next image, there'll be like no coasters, but one with like a B&M with a lot of flat, or a lot of straight track. Did you see the Thunderhead clone with like the coaster that's in the back? Yeah, with the sharp edges. Okay. Are any of these rides actually going to happen though? Probably. The park is probably not going to happen. Really? It's okay. So it's in Oklahoma, right? But they're like target attendance straw. It's more than the entire state of Oklahoma. I think really all you have to say there is it's in Oklahoma. I think yeah, that would have said enough. Yeah. That's that's that's a concept that I was looking at. Yeah. Damn. So who's the owner of this? Just some billionaire? Probably. Let me find the the other concept art that I saw. Oh, hey fire. I haven't seen you in a while. I'm going to try looking for the one with like Velocicoster. Yeah, I have it. Just give me two. You have it? You found it? Yeah. Okay. And it was like actually just Velocicoster too. It was just the same top hat and same shaping and everything. There is the one. There is the one. Someone's saying, can we make the concept art a little bit bigger? Just click on click on Jix like picture. Oh, they're talking to me. Oh, I can also do this here guys. Oh my goodness, me showing my inability to run things. All right, let's do this temporary. Let's show them some concept art. Wait, let me just pop a photo of Brendan. No, they want to see concept art. Yeah, so this is the like Velocicoster one. It's literally just Velocicoster here. My bad. And then this is the other concept art that they showed. Show the part with a wooden coaster as well. On the left, you have like that BNM where it's just all straight track. Which is kind of funny. But then that's also where Velocicoster was in the other concept art because that's where the same tower was. So it's really confusing. It's like, is it a BNM? Is it Velocicoster, you know? I don't see Leviathan. Oh, I do see Leviathan in that original one that you just had. So you have that and then... One second. You got the wooden coaster on the right, which is massive. Save image. Sorry, I have the lock of computer ability. BN Brendan. Yeah, this is just another typical park that is never going to get built. I mean, this looks promising. It doesn't look like there's anything extreme about it. I don't know, it's being built in Oklahoma. Oh, I didn't hear that. Oklahoma, what's their population? Like two people. So as I said earlier, their goal for attendance draw is more than the entire state of Oklahoma.  Yeah, it's not happening. Also, this park is in the absolute middle of nowhere. Where are they going to get staff? Who's going to work in this place? So it's over an hour away from the closest to big population center as well. Well, America also has really relaxed policies with hiring internationals.  I love child labor. Sure to work, but who's going to go to the park? Like this isn't like Wonderland, for example, where Toronto isn't an hour away from Wonderland. They're pretty close. But this is like, you are an hour away from, like at least an hour away from everything. Is that Leviathan? Are they? He switches. Are they promising more attendance than Cedar Point? 4.9 million, yeah. Oh my gosh. Where are they going to go? Yeah. I'll get it in a second. Over here. Perfect. There's the Leviathan. That is the Leviathan. That is the Wasekoster. The Leviathan is on the right there. Oh, is that? Oh my gosh. You see the weird misshapen turnaround. That is Leviathan. I do see the weird turnaround. Aw, cute. Okay, bulldoze it. What is this thing that goes right through the middle? That's my question. Wonderland does not serve most of Ontario. There's like a very big part of Ontario that's like, just a bit more north. I was going to say there's actually a big portion of Ontario that is closer to Cedar Point than Wonderland. We've got two, but I was mostly talking about Northern Ontario. Yeah, like, yeah, that too. Also, 50% of Canada is within like a three hour drive of Wonderland. I mean, most of our population is in like what, Windsor-Quebec corridor? Yeah, 50% of Canada. Yeah. No, but like, I think a lot of people don't actually talk about the, I learned about how hard it is to transit to Wonderland still, just from people that work at the park. The fact that it takes someone three hours from Etobicoke to get to Wonderland via transit is atrocious to me. Me and my five hour commute that I take to the park? That also isn't like, this is... It's horrendous. I'm not going to talk political, but we clearly have a transit problem. If you can't get from the city to Wonderland in less than an hour, in my opinion, then something's wrong. So Toronto, in my opinion, Toronto has, I'm like really big into public transit stuff. Toronto has, if the lines they're working on right now are a success, it could become one of the better public transit systems in North America. But the issue is that's all just in the downtown core, and none of that goes into like the rest of the GTA. There's not even a connection, I'm pretty sure there's not even a connection into Mississauga, on like anything that's not a bus. But lovely. Oh yeah? Wrong. I just said that on the stream. You did say that on the stream. Would you like to click on the Jake icon so that you can make him smaller? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I got one more thing to show. Okay, okay. Is this just so everybody can see it? Just so everybody can see it better. All right, now it's going. Three, two, one, gone. What was that? Chad is asking. Oh, it's me. Burn it. I'm kidding. You. Um, what else is there to talk about? I feel like there's more news. I'm not going to talk about this theory I have on Kingswood now. Oh, no, I'll say that for my construction update. My construction update coming out has tea in it. I am being cut off. It's so unfortunate. We have some other stuff we could talk about. Like, uh, if you want to talk about other parks, Kid Flash at Six Flags Vs the Texas has reached its like peak in the build process. It's at its like highest point now. That's so embarrassing. Which isn't very high. Yeah, it's supposed to open this year. And they're only now like putting down track. The one at, uh, isn't Georgia getting one that hasn't even started construction? Yeah, they don't even have foundations. No, I think they've only done concrete. And that's it. I don't think there's even concrete. I think it's just dirt at the moment. Oh my gosh. Well, some guys are going to open this year, by the way. Um, and other stuff. I guess you could talk about or mention that sawmill, like their sawmill log flume at Great Adventure is closed now for a makeover. For the parks to be at the anniversary, which is pretty cool. Brandon, are you going to talk about what we saw at Whitewater? The bridge? Yeah. Yeah, I guess I could talk about that. It's how we hunt. Well, I assume it's how we hunt related. So if any of you remember, um, Miners Revenge down in Whitewater Canyon from the Paramount days. Someone's echoing. It's Ryan. I can see him lighting up. What? No, I think it was Jake. Because it was Jake. Hello. I'll be my mic. Hello, hello, hello. Okay, it's working. So the bridge looks like it's getting rebuilt. And that bridge is what brings you down into Whitewater Canyon. So I can't see why Wonderland would be refurbishing that bridge. If it wasn't going to bring you down to Whitewater Canyon. So yeah, I'm hoping. But again, there's no even rumors about Miners Revenge coming back. So yeah, this is like I'm hoping because it was my favorite haunted house at Wonderland. They did so good. So I'm really, I'm really like fingers crossed that's what it is. But maybe it's the bridge for the concept art for the wooden coaster. The bridge is stored just before the lift hill on Whitewater Canyon. In between the lift and the like the last drop. Yeah, there's a new like drop in Whitewater Canyon right after the waterfall. It's in between there and the lift hill. No, no, I'd say there in the reservoir. I'll upload a video of it tomorrow. I was filming it and then Jake was like, I have to go to the washroom. I had to go so bad. Usual Jake. I'm seeing like a lot of discussion on Patreon chat about public transit. If it's worth noting the GOATRAIN system is getting big upgrades in the next few years. Yeah, if there's any patrons in here, stay tuned. Shortly, we'll let you in and ask like a question or two each. Please give us an RMC. Guys, I really don't think RMC is coming to Wonderland. Not happening. I think if you want to get your RMC fixed in the future in Canada, it's going to be a little wrong. What other topics of discussion were there? This is really far. We went through everything. This isn't really important to anyone here, I think. But for a lot of enthusiasts, it's kind of an event whenever this park gets any ride at all pretty much. Ujiku Highland opened up their new coaster today, which is just a family motorbike kind of coaster. Is that cool? But there's a twist with its opening. There is a twist in its opening, Ryan. Would you like to talk about what happened today? So to celebrate its opening, they had party poppers, like the things where the streamers come out. So they're celebrating the opening of their new coaster. They have the party poppers. They get tangled in the track, and they have to close the ride before it even opens. That's amazing. What a fail. There is a good question. Thoughts on Cedar Fair were moving. The Platinum Pass is for the All Park Passport. Wait, what? Oh, I have mixed opinions on this. Wait, explain to me the second option. So from what we understand, there was a little leak. It's a confirmed leak. Cedar Point had accidentally posted next year's passes early from what I understand. There's no Platinum Pass available. You can get gold or prestige, and the prestige is $400. Yeah, and you can get a gold pass, and there's an add-on feature now for $100. Correct me if I'm wrong, chat. $90, I think. $90, that's it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's $90. That's what I saw. Oh, they're about to charge us up to Wazoo for something else if they're offering a Platinum Pass for $90 on top of a $90 Platinum Pass. That's what I'm scared about, because I'm worrying right now that they're going to increase the price of Platinum Pass upgrades. But now the question is if this means our gold pass upgrades would work on this pass now? It's $100. I thought it was $100. I saw $100 on the leaks on Twitter, too. I guess it's $100. Yeah, I saw on Twitter, I didn't see the actual, but I saw on Twitter, multiple people were saying $100. And $90 is way too cheap for a Platinum Pass upgrade. But so it was $100 in my opinion. Exactly, that's... Wait, so it's just like an add-on that gets you to all those e-deferred parks? Yeah, $100 is confirmed, yes. You're going to have to add on parking now because a Platinum Pass had parking. That's how... Okay, that makes sense, because that would... I heard, I actually got numbers on how much Wonderland, one toll booth makes in an eight-hour shift, and I was like... A lot of people don't have the parking pass that come to Wonderland. Let me tell you that.  Oh, no, they did lines. The whole park has lines now. Whoa, all the whole thing? The whole thing. Like just like three quarters. The whole thing, they did it randomly. I don't know when, but we checked. We checked like three weeks ago, it was done. Because I remember like a month ago, I only saw like half of it done. But I guess I haven't paid enough attention while riding the Latin. Buy gold add-ons, then pay the upcharge. Yeah, so this is what I saw discussion online. There is a potential, again, nothing's concrete, because we didn't get all the details. There is a potential you could be saving money with this new system. If you get a gold pass and buy all the add-ons, and then do the $100 upgrade thing, you're saving a lot of money right there. But also, what I don't think a lot of people are talking about is all-season fast lane going away. No, no, I need my fast lane. Because I'm about to be never going to this park. I didn't hear anything about that. I mean like if platinum fast lane is going away because of this, if they're getting rid of like all their platinum upgrades, that'd be interesting. But really? Like in general, all-season fast lane? Yeah, yeah, and a tie gardener bringing up another beautiful point. Cedar Fair is never going to change something to lose money. Everything they do is going to be to make more money. So yeah, I would assume that whatever it is, there'll be some sort of like, like, I think it's the park. The parking could be a good one. I brought up a good point today. There is no way Cedar Fair benefits from having all-season fast lane. I think all-season fast lane, there's no way they benefit because I think everyone that gets all-season fast lane goes to the park a lot. Like a lot, a lot. I don't think anyone who has all-season fast lane only goes three or four times a year. So I would not like this, guys. I'm not sitting here advocating for this, by the way. I will cry. I will literally cry. They're going to introduce the... But yeah, I could see them getting rid of all-season fast lane unless there is some sort of... Like they are making a huge profit off of it. I actually don't know any numbers about it, but the way I look at it, from what I understand, they sell a thousand. So I'll do the math right now, okay? They're... What are they... What are they cost now? 750. Okay. Most people bought them for like, 550, I'll say. Go average 600. Okay. Yeah. So that is what they're making off of all-season fast lane. To us, the average taxpayer from citizen, that's a lot of money. To a theme park, that's nothing, okay? They get rid of all-season fast lane. They're going to make a lot more than that off of getting us to buy fast lane. Now, the other thing is, they probably do... They probably do studies on it. Would we be buying four visits of fast lane without all-season fast lane? I don't think I would, to be honest. I think I actually would just stop riding rides, but I'm a weird guest. My question is to all of you. Do any of you have all-season fast lane? Oh, can we do that as a poll on the server? Okay. For those of you... I'm going to post on my story too, and we'll talk about this in the next stream we do. Probably tomorrow, to be honest. If... Would you buy more than four fast lanes throughout the season if they suddenly discontinued all-season fast lane? I know I wouldn't. I would. I can't say I would. This is more strategic. Okay, so if you wouldn't, then I can see them why all-season fast lane would be beneficial for Cedar Fair. Okay, well the poll is up on the Discord server. Oh, here's Iced. Wasn't Iced the guy asking like amazing questions last stream? There is a... There is a wonderful place. I see the question he just asked. What are your thoughts on Ontario Place? Well... Oh, Brian? I'm the right person to ask. Are you? Yeah, I just don't know. I just don't know if I can share my thoughts without getting aggressive. He is the Ontario. As someone... I am the Ontario Place historian. I was literally there today. As someone who actually went to Ontario Place for every season it was open, essentially. It was cute. It had charm. The log flume was amazing. Like actually amazing. Like I love that the fact that the ride was like five minutes in duration or it felt like five minutes in duration. I'd just like to say the Wilderness Adventure Ride at Ontario Place was the best ride ever designed. I never got to experience it personally, but knowing how incredibly clever it was integrated into its environment, it's unbelievable. And no ride has fit its environment that exact way since. I could make a diagram on exactly what they did to make it work. Wilderness Adventure Forever. My brother actually worked there when the log flume flipped. The multiple times in which it did. Yeah. I should grab something. I should grab something. I have an e-stop button from the log flume. This is from the log flume from Ontario Place. The e-stop button doesn't work. Someone in chat asked about the polls channel. Yeah, so there's just a channel on the Discord server near the top in the important category called polls. You could vote in there. If you want to get notified every time you post a poll go to the Roll Acquisition Channel and just grab the polls, roll and notifications. So the people who rode Wilderness Adventure at Ontario Place may remember the large sign out front, not at the ride's entrance, but I don't know how many people know Ontario Place Lore. I won't explain it. You'd know the sign if you know the sign now. I'm not saying anything with this, but... So it's a cool-looking you, that's all. Yeah. It's just a cool-looking you. It's also beautifully restored. It's in a gloss seal so that the paint does not chip. The very light green paint you see there dates back to when the ride opened in the mid-80s. Now, I didn't get to finish, so I talked about the log flume. Outside of that, it was a complete joke. I know that was going to trigger him. It makes sense that the park didn't succeed. Like, they didn't ever build anything new that was worth visiting. Their water park was really impressive. I'll give them that as well. They had a really good water park and I think they should have expanded off of that. It's a shame that the city didn't think to sell it to someone else to run and that they thought to just like close it down. But yeah, I can see why it closed. You know what I mean? Like, it should have been sold to someone else, but it had no future in its current state. Ryan respectfully telling me to peace out. This man in his room, he has like a cabinet, right? I've seen this cabinet. You guys want to see something really cool with Wilderness Adventure. Check this out. This is an actual maintenance log from May 18, 1997 of Wilderness Adventure. And you can see the lift one. It's laminated and stuff. Like also this is literally the day Jared was born. That is pretty cool. Yeah, this man has like an entire cabinet in his room of like Ontario Place memorabilia. This? So they had all of the boats for the ride, right? They would have to do inspections on all of the boats and then list exactly like what they had. So on August 13, this isn't year, but on boat number six, they had to clean the wheels. Bolts on the floor. They didn't write the number. That's not helpful. But yeah. I'm sorry. They just walk around the ride and they calculate how many bolts have fallen off the ride and that's just normal. I guess. Also, it's in Comic Sans font, which is unbelievably hilarious. Oh my gosh, actually? Yeah, actual ride maintenance documents from Ontario. I have something even cooler. Oh, okay. There's even more. Okay. Wow. This is like the item showcase. This, this isn't the even cooler thing, but this is still like wilderness adventure related, but you can see a diagram of the ride's boats there. That's cool. I think that's the coolest one in my opinion. The more knowledgeable on Ontario Place people would know that in the parks final year, 2011, they had some carnival rides. And that's how Ontario Place got its first and only roller coaster, a wacky worm. Excuse the stuff on the back, but. What is it? The wacky worm. It was part of a failed lamination, but that's a maintenance checklist for the wacky worm. But there's the wilderness adventure boats again. I thought that was the moldy paper that you had. The random views says, I performed at Ontario Place way back. That's cool. What'd you do? I believe I can fly. And if people are wondering how I got all that stuff, they were very kindly gifted to me. One of some very kind people. That, yeah. Is, is there any other topics of discussion? I see a very good question for everyone here for in chat. What's all of your opinions on the single use fast lane that they recently introduced at Wonderland? That's a business person. I love it. Love, love, love, love it. Anyone else? You too. Why aren't you going? I think it's my opinion. I've said this before. I think it's an amazing condition that they could make to the park or they have made to the park. I think it's there for people who don't want to commit to buying the entire fast lane for the day and just want to spend like 10 bucks and get on a ride or whatever. It's like they're at the fair, right? It's like they're at the carnival. Spend 10 bucks to get on this ride. There you go. It's very nice to have. And like some people, some people were saying before was that it. Oh, it's going to make fast lane lines super long. And I don't think it, I don't think it does. I haven't made it to the park. I don't know that, but I don't think it would. There has been no change in the length of fast lane lines. There you go. The important thing, it's going to make fast lane lines 30 minutes long. It's going to wrap around five times. And no, it's not. Yeah. You're never going to see that happen with like fast lane on an older attraction. Tungus, you know what's funny? The park was really busy today. Like a lot of the rides who are like super busy being soaring timbers had a line. You know, soaring timbers had a longer line than Tunger twister. Actually. Oh my gosh. I bet you the park's quaking right now. That ride was supposed to be a good draw of attention for both winter fast because they struggled to get attendance last year for winter fast. In a rendering winter fast? Yeah, I can render in winter fast. Oh, that's cool. It's not. Okay. You know what? I'm going to say this. It is not as sad as we have all. I'm going to say we have all. It is not as sad as we have all made it out to be. It isn't what was advertised. And I think we all took that personally. I think we saw the new Tunger twister and we were like, this isn't what we were shown. It isn't the cool epic music that Wonderland put on a video. Isn't that original animation that was like constantly like, oh yeah. It's, she's slow. She's like me walking around the park trying to get from Leviathan to Yukon. She's a little slow. She's moving. But she ain't bad. Like she can do some cool stuff here and there. And yes, it might take riding a two or three or four times before you get that cool cycle. But she can, she can, she can do stuff. She ain't bad. Okay. Now let me say this to you. What about people who go to the park like once a year, twice a year? You see this cool new awesome ride. These people don't rewrite rides like we do. Okay. So they get on it once.   Not everyone's going to get a ride on it. So they could get the best cycle. They also don't realize that it changes every time. Yeah, exactly.  And now that's what I'm like, that is what everyone who I'm asking, who's not enthusiast has been telling me, this ride sucks. Because they don't rewrite it constantly like, like we might know or like, like we might do, or they don't know that it has several cycles like we do. See, the other thing I've noticed though, and I like, so I'm an observer. I have noticed there are a lot of people that do enjoy the ride. A lot of general public that get off that are like, oh, like that was good. Like, I remember hearing a mom and her like younger kids on Tundra Twisted, they were sitting like a couple of seats over and when the ride got done, she was like, that wasn't as bad as I thought it was. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. And the kids were like, yeah, that was awesome. I was like, you know what, sometimes, sometimes having those attractions are good. I remember her describing it. She liked that it was tall, but not intense. So for me, I'm like, okay, this was definitely a loss. I think Wonderland was expecting it to be the intense flat ride. They really wanted an intense flat ride. You have to remember, they were probably pitched something too that looks similar to that animation. They probably weren't pitched this like, like, what are your thoughts on finally getting a wheel, a Ferris wheel? What? So I've had a couple of rides. I've had a couple of rides where you flip in like the craziest ways and it's extreme. There was, oh my God, the other ride, Surya and I had the other day. I can't remember who was with us, but I was sitting next to Surya and we're going over the top and we flip upside down at the top and start coming down at a really fast pace upside down. And we're upside down for like a good, I started tapping Surya panicking because the forces felt like so extreme. Best ride I've ever had on Tundra. I haven't had it since. Well, I was like tapping Surya. Surya is like screaming and panicking. I got, I got one ride on Tundra which ended up having five inversions, the final of which, you know, how it does that one last swing up, but doesn't go all the way over. So that last swing, we ended up inverted the entire time it was up there. Unbelievable. It was just so good. It's, to me, it sounds like, because I haven't been on it yet. I'll get on it in September, right? To me, it just sounds like it could arrange from being like kind of, it's all right. It's good. It's good. It's all right to amazing flat ride, one of the best in Canada. And it has like such a big range. Yeah. So I'm thinking what else was there to talk about? Shockwave is definitely like the better flat ride out there at Wonderland. And you know who said that before Tundra opened? Me? You guys want to see something cool? If you guys want to see more cool stuff, I have about a million more things from Ontario place I can show off. Escape Designs, they're nearing completion, just a little teaser image that's on the launched wind coaster coming out of the mountain. It's going to be super, obviously it's not going to be accurate to layout. We don't have any blueprints, but it's going to be really like two industry standards based off of the area that the survey markings create a distance. No, I posted the last live stream to members only just because we discussed some things that I maybe didn't want out there for everyone. So that was the only one that I posted to members only. This one will be posted. I was just ranting about something in the last stream that I didn't want out in public. So as I said at the beginning of the stream, we have a poll in the Discord server. So I'm going to ask Chat now, okay. So what do you all think is going to get out of Wonderland first? Put one in Chat if you think it's a wind coaster, two if it's a wood coaster, and three if it's a sit down launch coaster. You think we're getting next? I want to see what Chat thinks here. One for wing, two for wood, and three for sit down launch. Patek's there. Oh my god, I remember you from Serious Lives. At first I was like, oh my god, he's ripping it on me. No, I remember you. Whoa, it's like we're all these numbers. Yeah, so one is a sit down launch, two is wood, and three is... Oh sorry, one is wing, two is wood, and three is sit down launch. I see one person spamming three, okay. So there's like a whole one person saying three. Uh, it seems like it's mostly like people are thinking like, actually I'm seeing like a pretty similar amount of... It's like pretty similar between one and two, but I think I see more ones. Somewhere people think we're going to be getting the wind coaster first, which is pretty interesting. Well, yeah. I think there's signs pointing towards the wind coaster is definitely going to start construction soon. Wait, whiskey, does your girlfriend find tundra intense? Is it the height? Maybe it's the height. Probably the height or the hang time. Does tundra have like a lot of hang time? Hey Brady, I am tired, super tired. I got like three hours of sleep, worked all day, went to Wonderland after because I wanted to film something by the mountain. Hold on, I'm just catching up on some news on Facebook, because sometimes I get my coaster news on Facebook. I had one more topic I had down on my list of things you could talk about. Should I bring this up? Yeah, we spoke about it. It's a tiny bit last stream, but I saw a lot more discussion about it happening on the Discord server, so I wanted to bring it up. And about the possibility of retheming or adding theming to rides that already exist in the park. For example, what if they were to retheme drop zone? Is that what our drop tower is called? Drop zone? It's called drop tower. Whatever our drop tower is called. To retheme that to fit in more with Metaphare, for example, give it like some sort of structure around it. I know this is not a space for it to happen, but it's just an example. Kind of like a new paint job, something like that. Like what do you guys think of that idea, of that possibility? To retheme rides to make them match in their areas more. I think the only thing that doesn't match is action zone and drop tower. And speed. There's also go karts just randomly. Yeah, action zone, drop tower and speed. Yeah. Riptide, yeah, I'd agree. Riptide. I think the biggest defender that is in an actual real themed, attempted themed area right now is drop tower. And go karts. Drop tower and go karts. Drop tower and go karts. They can remove both of those and put a nice coaster there. And shockwave. A shockwave? Shockwave is not in Metaphare. Shockwave, it's not in anywhere. Like it's literally just Alpine, but it's just outside Alpine too, technically. According to the map, it's not. But in my opinion, it literally sits. Drop tower is approaching the end of its service life though. I wish so much. It could be like retrofit. And then they give it like the standing seats like Hurricane Condor has, which I think is the same model of drop tower, right? I might be wrong. A lot of those drop towers are disappearing now. I know that St. Louis got rid of theirs. And I think a couple others. It doesn't run with unit four or three. One at that park in Japan that is beside the water, they got rid of theirs. It was the same model as well. Yeah, it was. It was the only one that had like a fake out drop as well, which is such a big loss. I can't believe there's 79 people at 12, like 20 a.m. in here right now. That's crazy, guys. Is drop tower overrated? I don't think it's that. No, I think drop tower is actually one of their best rides. Yeah, I agree. I think it's one of the better. I think that's a really good like model of drop tower. I think it's way better than like burning pretty much every SNS tower I've been on. It's better than them, except for Sky Screamer. Sky Screamer, in my opinion, is the best drop tower that I have been on.  Trust me, I don't have one either. I work and go to Wonderland and make content on Wonderland. I'm not judging anyone in here. So if, let's say, for example, drop tower were to be rethemed or was to be rethemed, what do you all think could be themed to? A castle tower. I remember I predicted like not predicted. I said that if I were to change. I made a video on what I would do to Med Farah. I put that in there. Rapunzel's like tower or, you know those like circular parts of a castle? The keeps. The keeps. Like it should be themed to a keep. Brett, I'm going to send something in VCD. Don't don't open it up on the computer, of course. Like open up on your phone. Look at this. So what? Imagine if they did something like this, added a structure to the top of it like that. Like a castle. That would look so ugly. No, kill it. It works because it has the thing at the bottom too. Oh, it's part of the structure. Noah also really cool with that structure at the top is that that's how they have on red photos on a drop tower. And Noah, if you're in here, key switches, sorry. That was proven fake eight hours ago. Which one? The dragster. Okay. That was so okay. I know there are other people I think it was like, it could be realistic. I think it was super obvious. The way like stuff was being described in like the main text was so obviously fake. Where am I looking again? In VCT. I'm going in five minutes. I mean, five minutes or I'm leaving. It's okay. The random view. It's funny. I like that. It's like I am in McDonald's. Yeah. And then Brendan here, I'll show you this as well. If you want to, you can open up the picture on like on your phone and show stream or something. So they know what I'm talking about. Ew. That's so ugly, Zach.  Agreed. That is literally so ugly. I want on photos on drop towers. You know what it looks like? It looks like one of those lamps that like your great friend would have with a little thing, a dangly down. It does. Zach, your drop tower looks like something I'd find in my great grandmother's house. And you know what? That's cool. Theme drop towers are awesome. All right. Let's invite some Patreons to come in here and ask some questions before I get too tired and need to go to bed. Go on up into VC, I believe, or Patreon. Patreon. VC. I can feel myself crashing. Okay, paying to Patreons. Patreons. Go rest. I will. Guys, I enjoy what I do. I know it doesn't look like it right now, but I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't enjoy it. I'm not burnt out either. I was doing something last night and it turned into more than last night and I got no sleep. And then I had to go work all day and then I went to Wonderland and then I wanted to do this because we had news and there were two people that I met at Leviathan. Amazing, like so nice, way too nice. People who said that they really enjoyed these like nightly streams and like they liked the new setup. So I wanted to come do it just because of that. You're eating, don't worry. I'm fine, guys. I, the one time I wasn't fine that I genuinely was crashing really hard and I was in medical danger was Tundra Twister. When I was trying to get the first test run, I was in, I was in very much danger. My friends were really concerned about me. That was the only time that I've ever put myself into a bad place. This is just your normal average bad decisions. Just tired. The content grind. Yeah, it's the content grind. Yeah. My gay energy knows exactly what you're talking about. Oh, this is a good question. Why can't Wonderland expand into the creek beside Behemoth? One that's a protected waterway. You said one as if there was more than one but then you only said one thing. Most of that waterway is protected and then leads into city waterways. So you can't really do too much without permits and approval. Guys, Wonderland has a lot more land to work with than I think we really realize. Again, yeah, Gojik.  Whitewater, the Go-Karts, Action Theater, Kingswood, and then a parking lot coaster. There's five coasters right there before they have to do anything to anything else. And you can build on the edge, the edge of the park too. Yeah, and then extreme and Time Warp Flight Deck area, there's another. It's basically in terms of to the edge of the park, I think it's as long as it's not right at the edge. The highway, yeah. The highway is the only land where they have restrictions and they already made amendments to that. Not serious amendments that are anything cool. Just, yeah. Overhanging the 400. People are always like, where are they going to add their next coaster? And then the Mountain Coaster, where like Chickenshark, like that middle area kind of is. What's the theater called in the middle? International Show Plays. There's another area, like that. There's seven spots they could have put a coaster. Under Leviathan, somehow getting around there, someone said. Under Leviathan, Dragonfire and Speed. Yeah, probably. If they remove Dragonfire. But it doesn't look like they're going to remove it because they painted it. Yeah. And they did some work on it over the offseason, didn't they? Yeah, they added brand new wheels. It's a lot smoother. Wrapping up. Are there no, it's so funny. How come how come Patreons don't like coming in here and chatting guys? You pay for this feature? You're scary. You're scary. I'm not good at it. You will start to control them. Oh, it's so funny. It's so funny. Oh, guys, can I touch on that for a bit? Just should I touch on it? No, I probably shouldn't touch on it. You should not. Yeah. It's okay. I control you guys. You're under my manipulation. All right. No Patreons. No questions. No questions. Almost said you'll join in a few minutes. It's been more than two minutes. I know. I can get in there. Somebody may be joining. Also, if any of you checked out my new merch, this sounds so, oh my God. No, it's so cool though. It's actually good. It's actually good. Yeah, you kind of popped off here. I'm working on more. I'm working on more. Oh, oh, it's iced. I know who this is. Hello. Hey, how are you? Good. How about you? I'm good. All right. Questions or anything? Like even if you have comments about anything we talked about. I don't know. I just think that do you think like if Flight Deck Time Warp or Guardian gets removed, do you think they're going to be relocated anywhere or something? That's actually honestly, one, Cedar Feral always try and sell something. I mean, look at Orbiter. That ride was getting removed for some pretty serious things. Like it wasn't working well at all and they still tried to sell that. But couldn't, too, Sky Rider got sold. So I do have a feeling that those rides will go up for sale and try and be relocated. I don't see a Cedar Fair Park. Is there any Cedar Fair Park that doesn't have an invert or like our version like an SLC? I don't think. Does MIA have an SLC? Yeah, they have a Jack Lake one. Valley Fair? Valley Fair doesn't, but I don't see them. I don't see them. Dornie has talent. Oh, yeah. Dornie also, which is one of the very... Dornie could take Time Warp though. Now our flight to our SLC is in really rough shape, so I don't know if, yeah. They could slap on new trains instead of retracting the whole thing to be fair. But yeah, that's what one of the flagparks did. Hang and shake instead of hang and bang. Where would you like, what ride? So that question feels like it was almost like out of fear. Is there a ride you're worried about? Probably not. I mean, I don't know. I feel like Thunder Run might get removed for some reason, but probably not. A lot of people are afraid of that. A lot of money has also been put into Thunder Run recently. Yeah, so I broke the news last year, right? About a maintenance shed being built. So with that maintenance shed, the whole point that it was added was so they could work on the trains in the mountain instead of having to crane them off. So I think with that kind of investment, you could foreshadow that Thunder Run is here to stay. It's also really popular. Yeah, it's also runs during Winterfest as well, so. Yeah, it's the only ride that runs for Winterfest, I think. Yeah. It is Sturpey's at Winterfest, right? Was that a yes? I'm so sorry. I zoned out so hard there. What did you ask? Was Snowpeas a Winterfest ride? No, it was confirmed. It won't be. Sad. That's a bit sad, yeah. Which is crazy to me, because I feel like with the covered launches and everything, you would have...  We'll see. We'll see. They said it at an Ace event, but... Ask again. Maverick's Heartline Roll. What was it? Will Maverick's Heartline Roll be welded to Dragster? I can tell you with 100% uncertainty, yes it will. That'd be epic. Who's the Mecha Return? Imagine that, like, at the bottom of the drop on the pull-out, just before the pull-out. It'd make that sound, too. Are you doing Snapchats right now while we're on a stream? Wow. Oh my god, this is the man y'all subscribed to? 24,000. Oh my gosh, he totally is. 64 people watching this guy do Snapchats. Oh, how could he? At 12.31 a.m. Okay, I gotta go to McDonald's. When? When do you work tomorrow, by the way? 9 a.m. Till 4? 8.30. Oh, okay, yeah. Oh, sorry, before you go, you have to go talk to somebody in Patreon Voice Chat. Wait, come on. Can I get a McGrittle? All right, I'm gonna leave now. I'll thank us for... No problem, that was a good question. That was a good question. How do you know? All right, yeah. All right, yeah, I'll see you guys later. Bye. Jake didn't answer my question about whether or not I could get a McGrittle. Did Jake go up to the chat or does someone else need to go? Jake's up for it right now. Can you guys... Can you do ride challenges again? Yes, so we'll be posting the one we filmed with Suria and then I'm gonna work on more. Obviously there were like... Sometimes when news breaks at Wonderland, it takes like a whole week or two of my content. The surveys, it was like every day after those surveys, I was like, oh, but what about this thought? What about that thought? And then obviously I want to make a video on it. It was funny. You know, someone close to me the other day, someone like really close to me asked me like, why did I make my videos defending Cedar Fair so much? And why did I post my opinion on it?  Like my channel is on Wonderland. I'm clearly a Cedar Fair fanboy. I own Cedar Fair stocks. And it's my YouTube channel. So because of that, I'm gonna give my opinion on Cedar Fair. And yes, it is going to be swayed. But yeah, nonetheless, that like, I don't know what to tell you guys, I'm gonna be defending Cedar Fair because that's honestly how I feel. But who is that that keeps joining? I drag him in and then he leaves. Okay, so just don't drag him in anymore. When you were talking about the ride challenge, that's gonna get posted. That's the dealer no deal one, right? Yes, yeah. The one where you were a wig. A guy cannot wait for people to see that. Me and a wig is a... No, Chot, I haven't seen it yet. But from what I'm hearing, this is gonna be a very good video. So be sure to... It's gonna be incredible. I've heard of a magical experience. Toe, I know about the six foot skinless screaming corpse behind me. That's just Jacob. Which one? No. Which one? Okay, good night. All right, have a good one. Good night. Have a good night, everyone. Goodbye. All right, is that it for tonight?   Jake's working till 8. Okay. Now, what time do you think you'll be going live tomorrow? Let's aim for 9. Let's aim for 9 p.m. Okay. I'll be in here tomorrow because I'll be watching Oppenheimer tomorrow. What is Oppenheimer? The movie. Oh, it's that... Oh, I think I saw the trailer. It actually looks good. That's the movie that's about the guy and the nuclear bombs or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what happens for 15 minutes in that movie. I wonder what the 15 minute odd scene is about in that movie. Um, yeah. I won't be here for a few weeks, but I will be back on the streams. Brennan. Barbie or Oppenheimer. I'm probably gonna go see Bob. Actually, Barbie. We're gonna add stuff about Barbie. Are you? I'm hearing reviews are saying that it's not that good. Of course it's not good. It's not gonna be good at all. I've been hearing it has writing similar to She-Hulk, which is very scary because She-Hulk had horrible writing. Okay, but full honesty, after COVID, I have severe ADHD where I can't even listen to my friends talk for more than a minute without losing my mind. And I can't sit. I don't watch TV shows anymore and I don't watch movies anymore. Like, I don't know what happened, but I have no ability to focus anymore. I've never been a movie person to begin with, but I can watch TV shows. This is why, this is why, you know, my ADHD self-watch is animated. You gotta keep on reading these subtitles that come up every two seconds. It's like a challenge. Brendan, that's not ADHD. That's called having TikTok on your phone. Yeah, that is here. I haven't used TikTok, so. No, but like, I literally can't even... Yeah, anyways, no matter your attention span, Barb and Hymer will consume you. But yeah, I guess I'll go in VC until I pass out. Yeah. That'll be like two minutes. No, I'm not ready for bed yet. I'm not ready for bed yet. You fall asleep listening to us talking about thumbnail creation on the regular, okay? That's because you were born for content creation and it's so funny. You helped me with like, how to do stuff like this, but I'm the one that's a content creator and I literally suck at it, but unfortunately, not unfortunately, but I have a channel and I don't know how to... I don't know how to be a content creator. It's quite funny. It's really quite funny. But yeah, I'll go hang out in VC. Bye, chat. Have a good night. See you. Adios, mis amigos. It'll probably be a stream tomorrow. I won't be there. I'll see you all in a few weeks on the map.  Bye.


Hey everyone, welcome back to theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. We are live day one of VMware Explorer 23, Lisa Martin with Dave Vellante. Dave, theCUBE has been covering VMware for 13 years, 13 events. This is a big event. We are so pleased to welcome back one of our alumni to theCUBE. We're going to be talking about the event and a lot of the details around it. Laura Heismann is here, the chief marketing officer at VMware. Laura, it's great to have you back. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. It's great to be here with you. This is awesome. You guys, this is called day one. It's our day one of our three days of coverage. But yesterday was day zero. Give the audience a little bit of the gooseies around what you guys felt and saw at day zero with the audience. Yeah, it was amazing. The halls were already packed. For most conferences, you would have thought that was full attendance on our day zero. We had everything going on from tutorials and workshops and we had different types of meetings happening. We had the hands on labs happening. It was going, sessions were starting and that was day zero. We had spring one as well, which was oversubscribed standing room only. We had an executive summit. There was a ton of programming happening on day zero and it was the warm up act for today. I love that. Well, the keynote kicked off with a bang this morning with Ragu and a cast of celebrities that made appearances in person and on video standing room only. How many people are here and what are some of the key announcements that broke this morning? Yeah, so we have over 10,000 people here with us and we are so excited that everyone's joined us in Las Vegas and we recognize that some people had to take planes, trains, automobiles and get very creative to get here due to some of the weather. And we're thankful that they're here with us. And our key announcements have been a continuation of our CloudSmart approach to multi-cloud complexities. You heard a lot about our Gen AI announcements helping enterprises and then a ton of innovation happening throughout all of our product lines spanning from modern apps, NSX, to end user computing and their announcements continue today because it is our continuation of Keynote Solution Keynotes and each of those keynotes are also making announcements throughout the day. It was kind of cool what you did in the keynotes because you had the compendium of thought leaders and CEOs and Silicon Valley extended, talking about the future and you're like, okay, here comes the AI, great. And then you went right into the core, right? When you went sort of, when Raghu came out on the stage and you guys started talking about things like VC and when we were here last night at the exhibit hall, the customers were, it was packed with customers. But it wasn't just ecosystem partners, it was 90% customers. So you went right to your peeps and then came back to the lead, which was the whole, it's been a lot of time on AI. So it kind of went full circle. Very nicely done. We're super fortunate. I mean, the VMware community is so loyal to VMware and just loves it. And Raghu has such a special approach to how he talks about everything because he's a product guy, right? And so he talks to our people. He talks with our people. He understands what everybody wants to know about right off the bat. And then, of course, we all need to talk about generative AI and what's happening. And that's super important. In fact, as we were planning for this, someone said, don't you think people will be bored of hearing about generative AI a few months ago? Won't we be late to the game? And it was absolutely not. Everyone's there, everyone's talking about it. This was really important for us to come out strong. Yeah, they want to hear, how are you relevant to Gen A? How are you going to help me? I mean, they've made big investments.  That's a big deal. And I think it speaks to the respect that he has for Raghu and obviously the broader community. Yeah, and Jensen and Raghu just have such a special relationship, a longstanding one. I really look at it as two icons up on the stage together, really helping to talk about what's happening with AI and everything that's there. And it's a pleasure for our audience to be able to see them together. As Gen AI has become one of the hottest topics in the globe in every industry, and you're tenure at VMware, how has its mission and vision evolved to really help organizations understand how VMware is using AI and Gen AI and how it can help its customers do that so they can extract the most value from their data to drive competitive advantage. Yeah, so today really is the first of our customers hearing about what we've been planning to come out today. So it has been very important. We came out early with our own responsibilities internally about how to utilize Gen AI because we didn't want to make any mistakes. We didn't want to put anything out there that we shouldn't. So we have our own responsibility around what we're allowed to do within our own company and we've shared that because that's an important part right there. And then everything that we've come out with today is that first step to be able to talk about how we're helping with privacy, with security, with enterprises, really things that VMware can do that a lot of other companies can't do. We can be part of the core of what they're doing to invest in both AI and their generative AI plan. So some policy-based guidelines. Correct. And then did you have access to AI as a marketer before chat GPT, like broad access? So we in marketing utilize AI as part of some of our foundational tools for website and other things like that. And then what really happened is, I have a great story, I have a team of marketers that chose on their own to come together and build a marketing AI council. And this is different than specifically what we announced today. This is us as marketers. And I had a group of about eight marketers that came together, built their own. I didn't know it. They were just very assening about what was going on quickly. This was about January. And they came to me a bit after, probably about six weeks later, and said, we have this plan, we have this mission. We thought you'd want to hear about it and we'd want to know if you'll be our executive sponsor. And I said, absolutely, absolutely. And every one of us in the marketing organization should understand what's happening with generative AI. And that was a really important investment that we've done. And we have definitely built out what we're doing in our marketing organization to give everyone access to become modern marketers. Yeah. Talk about the use of AI within marketing and how does it benefit the customer? Because customers in our consumer lives, we have this expectation that we're going to not only be connected, but we're going to be able to access whatever we want 24 by seven. But it's going to be an experience that's relevant. It's contextually relevant. It's personalized. You're going to get me what I'm looking for. I'm a VMware customer on vSAN. What's next? How is AI helping the marketing organization really tailor to your personas and deliver what they want? It is relevancy. I mean, you said the word. That's what it's all about. I say it's a couple of things. You're not starting with a blank piece of paper anymore. You actually can start with something. And that's way easier for people to be able to do that. You can then customize it with the help of the tools that we use. We use proprietary tools that we've bought into so that it's not just open for everyone to be able to use. And it is about, you can do everything from, I need this for the infrastructure buyer, to I need this for the CIO, for 10 like I'm a CTO. So you can do a lot of that. It's time savings. It's better messaging to our audiences. There's so many great opportunities. And it's not that it's a change in a job or it's a loss of a job. It's about being able to not start from that blank page. I have stories of people on my team where something that used to take six weeks they can now do in a day. And so we're seeing the benefits of ourself in our marketing organization. And this marketing AI council we have, they are talking to everybody on the team. And like I said, we're giving access to the team so that they can all learn how to use it themselves and invest in up skill just like we all should be doing. And these are domain specific tools that you guys have customized or so it's not the generic chat GPT tool. No, no. Are you going to please elaborate? So for example, we're using Jasper and it's great for not just our content writing team in marketing so that we can do a better job here at VMware Explorer of what should we be sharing with everybody? How do we get information that's customized to them? But it's also we're using it to help with video scripts. Something that you could be thinking about of how to do, right? And it's customer case studies and having a conversation with someone here putting in the notes and then asking it, but it's ours. It is not chat GPT, it is ours. It is closed for only RU. And was the motivation for that, Laura, the quality, the specificity, was it the risk of IP leakage of all the above? Risk is actually my biggest concern because we've all heard some of the stories and I don't want to go there. I mean, what we do at VMware is very special. We want to keep it to ourselves and help each other out internally. But absolutely, you have to think about risk and security. But then it's a, how do we get better at our jobs? And this is a way to be able to get better in our jobs. And so I do the equation of that's what we're doing within the marketing organization. Our customer success team is also looking at investments in generative AI to better be able to work with our customers and do more customizable and personal interactions. And then of course it leads to what we're doing at VMware as far as our own products. Was there any resistance that you had to overcome culturally or fear of losing jobs or even like the movie Moneyball where the old timers are like, we don't need the geeks. We don't need the math whizzes. We know from gut feel. Did you have any of those sort of issues that you had to overcome? I think I got really lucky. And maybe there's still some. But because of the marketing AI council and we've learned that we're really one of the first to do this, they were out talking about what they were doing early on. And January doesn't seem that long ago, right? But yet in this era that we're in of generative AI, it was a long time ago. And people were almost jealous. How do I learn more about it? How do I become part of it? How can I get my hands on it? And so the resistance wasn't there. There were questions about jobs, but it was quickly a, and it was from me and across my leadership team. Your job just became better because you're not having to think from the very start of where am I going to start? You have a tool to help you. And so you just became your experience. You know your information. Bring that personalization and value to everything that we're doing. As a marketer, speaking as a marketer, that would make a phenomenal case study because to your point, Dave, there's a lot of trepidation where AI and gen AI is concerned. But VMware being able to show this is what we're doing. This is the massive impact it's had making people more productive, being able to do more things faster with less resources. That's a golden nugget story. And we are working on that because we want to be able to show the positive side of things. There is so much fear out there. And I listened to the stats around, we're going to lose 80 some million jobs, but we're going to add 95 or 97 million jobs according to Mackenzie. Some jobs are just going to go away. There's going to be a whole new set of jobs. I have a son going into college. I think, what is he going to do, right? And so it is about what is actually the future. And that's, again, where I stress that upskill, learn it, be part of what the future is, because this isn't going away. And so it's not a case of fear. It's a case of helping my team understand this is about upskilling and helping you with your future as a marketer. More awareness needed. You can't protect the past from the future as I often like to say. Well, and that kind of underscores marketing's role in really helping drive awareness for all of the positives that it can have across every industry, I think. Do you kind of feel a sense of responsibility to help kind of spread that word to help dial down some of the fear? Absolutely. And Linda, I remember a few months ago there was a CMO call multiple in the industry. We were all comparing notes, what's everyone doing with generative AI. And no one wanted to speak up. And I don't know if it was out of fear of I want to be the first, so I'm not going to tell you. Or if there was just still too much of the unknown. And I'm hoping that if we got back together today, we haven't, that it would be a much different kind of conversation and that people have gotten past the fear. But there are definitely, I hear stories daily of the fear and it's going to cause me my job or we're going to move too fast and then I have to move on to the next thing and this is my thing that I want to work on. There's a lot of those stories, but there's a lot of opportunity too. So yes, I definitely want to be on that side of let me share the benefits and we have great examples that we're doing at VMware. Well, we've each had experience. I've been pretty deep experience, I think in terms of how to interact with the systems and I'm sure you could would agree it's just made our lives much more productive. Yes, yes.  You get ideas that perhaps you would have gotten there but it would have taken longer. And for me anyway, there's always like one or two things like, ah, I don't think I would have thought of that. That just gave me another idea. And you'll see advancements of us coming out of VMware Explorer and as we go through explore season because this is just the start. We have many other events coming up throughout the world, right? And we're looking at how do we invest more in our own generative AI tools to keep improving with each event to be able to customize, personalize after the event. How do we get, we know that someone went to a session, let's direct them in a certain way and how can generative AI help us with that? So there's a lot that can be done there. What's the next big event? Is there anything in between now and Barcelona? Yes, we go from, we're here in Las Vegas this week, thrilled to be back here in Las Vegas. And then we have Sao Paulo, we have Tokyo, we have Barcelona, we have Singapore. Amazing. Being able to extend the reach beyond just three days in Las Vegas to the customers and prospects and partners globally. Yes, and our flagship programs are here and Barcelona. And then we have the regional programs in the three other locations because we want to be able to bring everything VMware Explorer to them. We really do call it momentum season for a reason. It's the entire company, it's not just marketing. We're kind of the muscle behind the making of this, the brand, the colors, the event, getting everyone here. But it is a company-wide effort. Everyone, Ragu, to our engineering organization, you saw our legal team on stage today. It is the making of everybody at VMware. Well, I'm glad you mentioned the colors. We were talking about it off camera. The colors are just popping. You can see the colors behind us. But where you can't see, there's the birds flying, there's geckos, there are jellyfish, there are fish swimming, there are butterflies, all in motion and the colors are just brilliant. It's amazing. Thank you. And it is all about exploring, right? So you see that through, coming out through the graphics. So it is about exploring in a creative way. The colors are beautiful. When you're on social media, they pop like, so it's such an amazing thing to see the gen session this morning. We're very proud of the brand of VMware Explorer. Speaking of exploration, if we were to explore a case study of a customer that you think really defines VMware's value problem, what would your story be? As far as customer story, that you think really shines light on the value problem. There are, oh, there's so many great customer stories. We, I don't know if I could just pick one and I don't know if I want to get in trouble with anyone for just 15-one. It was your favorite case. Right, exactly. Maybe by industry. But we have fantastic stories. I was talking with some folks in the telco industry yesterday about what they're doing and talking with some other customers yesterday about what they're doing with edge computing and just how, I was talking with someone about what they're doing with flights and how edge computing has gone all the way to an airplane. I was, everything that we're doing with our cloud infrastructure customers and how they're modernizing and thinking about private and multi-cloud, how we're helping all of our customers, all of our customers. It's hard to pick one. Yes. With their multi-cloud complexities. Digital transformation's gone through an interesting, I don't even know, journey at this point and it doesn't go away, it doesn't stop. The complexities that cloud bring and now generative AI, the complexities aren't going to stop. Not going to stop, but there's also partners like VMware that customers can work with and your ecosystem to help start really understanding getting to the bottom of those complexities that we go from multi-cloud by accident to cloud smart. And our partners are a very important part of this. We have a fantastic partner ecosystem. They're here. Like I said, we had our partner summit yesterday. We have more programming for them. We've made announcements with our partners this week. Dell, NVIDIA, Oracle, there's a long list of them and they're very supportive of our event as well and being here present with us. And so there is a ton that happens with our entire ecosystem. And all the different types of partners that we are with. Yeah, that's a very strong ecosystem. Last question, we've got about 30 seconds left. So we get to day three. You've gone through all these meetings, announcements, keynotes, sessions. What do you want folks to take away from the three days plus day zero of VMware Explore? It's keeping in mind that VMware is here to help them innovate faster. And we want to help with multi-cloud complexities and now also be able to help with generative AI. And if you will, the complexities that come with that as well.  Helping everyone with multi-cloud. Laura, thank you so much for joining Dave and me back on theCUBE. It's been a pleasure talking to you about VMware Explore, what it means, what it's delivering and how you're extending this reach beyond just Las Vegas. Thank you for having me. Have a great week here. Thank you. We're excited. All right. For Laura Heisman, CMO of VMware and Dave Vellante, co-host, co-CEO, co-founder of theCUBE. I'm Lisa Martin. Stick right around. Our next guest is coming up.