Good afternoon, everybody. Happy New Year. Thank you for joining me for another edition of Condo Insider 2024. I am so excited to have with me, Wendy Utsui, who is with the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs in the RICO office. She's an attorney, SAP attorney in the office, and she's going to talk, and she also lives in the condo so she can relate to this issue. She's going to talk to us today, educate us a little bit more about the differences when you can use a handyman and when you cannot and you need to really go with a licensed contractor. And there is a lot of protection as you get when you're using a licensed contractor versus just a handyman. And then there's also types of jobs that you have to go the contractor route. So, Wendy, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for inviting me. I'm very honored that you were able to do this with it for us. So I know you live in a condo and you did a recent article on KHON about contractor versus handyman. So let's explain that because not everybody has probably seen that. So let's go through some of the basics that on the differences between the two and when you can and cannot use it. Okay, so, yeah, I mean, I think the big thing is people think it's just a small job. We can get a handyman to come in. We don't need a big contractor to do it. But there are limitations on when you can use someone who is not a contractor to perform work. One of the requirements is that the work doesn't require a building permit. And the other requirement, the second requirement is that the aggregate cost of the project is less than $1,500. And when we say aggregate, that means it has to include labor and materials. And aggregate, it's interesting because it's not just the project cost, but we look at is it being done piecemeal if you can't just piecemeal it out because we're going to aggregate it included all together to say it's one project. Previously, I've had a case where there was a situation or a condominium where they hire the same person to perform small jobs in five different units and piece out the cost for each unit in separate invoices. But we said he did all of that work within three days. That's one project and the total cost for all of those units together exceeded $1,500. So they needed a licensed contractor at that time, not just a handyman to perform what they believed were small jobs. So when you talk about aggregate and what if the two sides step the rule, what if they come up with the idea of, but what if we bought the materials? Well, it doesn't matter who buys the materials. It's the cost of the materials that are used in the project, as well as the labor costs. So, you know, a lot of times you're like, well, no, but he didn't pay for the paint that separate the labor itself was only $1,499. And you say, no, but the paint is included in that. So you can't side step it by someone else paying the materials. And even saying that materials are free, we are going to look at the retail value of those materials because that's what the court is doing. I never knew that. What about when, God, it was just the tip of my head. They are so you can't piecemeal it, right? So if you're doing a bathroom renovation vanity, new toilet, that's one whole job you can do like the toilet this month and then do the vanity next month is still considered one job. Yes, because it's all in one location, we look at it particularly if it's the same person doing it. Now when you say a bathroom renovation that does bring up the topic of what kinds of work can a handyman not do it all. And there are in this state, we have what's called dual licensing, not every state has what's called dual licensing, but we have licenses that are required for certain kinds of work that can affect the health, safety and welfare of the public. And three big licensing areas. There's four, but the fourth is pesticides and I'm hoping no one is just out there spraying pesticides. But the big three that we have the first one and I didn't talk about this before in the what's the law podcast is elevator mechanics. The second one is electricians and the third one is plumbers. So let me go and let me talk about each of these sections in elevator mechanics. It's more than those guys who come when the elevator stops or they're putting in a new elevator or the escalators not working. It's any time that anything is being done to the interior cab. Not that if you're, if you're putting up a poster or you're just cleaning it. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about suddenly decided to change the panels from whatever fake wood to being mirrors. You can't just do that you need to have an elevator mechanic present and probably doing that work is also when you are doing things like putting in a camera. You need to have an elevator sound alarms into your, into your elevators you do need to have an elevator mechanic present for that. So that is something that if you are thinking of doing that something to alters the cab of the elevator. You cannot just get your employee or a handyman to do it it's actually very clear even an employee cannot be doing it has to be an elevator. So besides the walls that would include the floor. It does specifically state that if you're going to put carpet on the floor and you're just adhering it to the floor, you that's fine. But if you are pulling up tiles or whatever is the base and replacing it, you need an elevator. Okay, because I know that in my condo we put down those rugs for when people are moving in and the walls to protect it. That's fine that's not changing the cab itself. Okay, so anything that changes the injury of the cab, or I don't know why you would be in the shaft to let any of those things. Okay, and that includes also some of the electronic lifts for garages you know if you have one of those garages where the car goes in and it gets lifted up. This also is included in elevator mechanic work as well. So, you're safer calling the executive officer and checking to see does this work require an elevator mechanic, or if you already have an elevator mechanic maintenance guy you can probably ask them and they will tell you. The second area that you cannot just have anyone performing the work is electrical work and electrical work is more than just pulling wires through the walls. It's actually wider in scope electrical work is having to do with any conductor material device fixture apparatus or appliance that fastens to a building a structure or premises. So, let's say you want to put in a new air conditioning unit, and it's not just plug it in and air conditioning works there needs to be wiring that is put into place or you're going to move a light switch or. You need to have an electrician perform that because you are working with electricity and electrical wires that's not something that we would want to have anyone doing without the proper experience because you can set fires. I have had situations where someone says oh I can do that that's easy enough to do and appliance catches fire or a family is eating dinner and the chandelier above them suddenly pops and the wiring that goes to the wall catches fire and they have a black line so. Not ideal, you want to have an electrician perform the work. The third major area where we require that there be a license, not necessarily contractors license, but this one is plumbing a plumbers license and this gets very confusing for a lot of people I have gone to court and even the judges have been surprised at what I've been telling them. Plumbing is more than just changing the pipes. It has to do with all the pipes, all the fixtures all the appliances that have to do with plug and they're very clear about this, anything in conjunction with sanitary drainage storm drainage and venting systems and portable water supply systems. So, you know, anytime you're getting your new refrigerator with the ice cubes, then you're going to have to have a water line that attachment to the water line or putting in the water line that has to be a plumber that that's that. And I have a recent story, my father got a new refrigerator, and he was looking around and the cheapest place was at Lowe's but Lowe said you need to get a plumber. So when our guys bring it in they install it. They the plumber unhooks it and hooks it back up. And he said well that's a problem who thought of that that's a terrible. And then he said okay I'll go with the more expensive place and they say I don't need a plumber the guys came in to install it when they unhooked it the pipe broke from the wall, and suddenly he needed a plumber. So, I won that round with my father, but the law is also very specific now you can perform emergency work because plumbing you always know there's always a backup drain, or your toilet is running. Or, you know, got to read your toilet breaks because that does happen as well. And you have water gushing everywhere so you can perform emergency plumbing work in your primary residence, it cannot be your renters location it cannot be somebody else's it has to be your residents. And the emergency repairs can include changing any pipes moving around any pipes, you can turn off the water, but they can't be suddenly oh no we need to put in these new pipes that's not allowed. Additionally, you can't do work on your own on anything requiring backflow devices and they're very specific it says it includes heaters, water closets which are toilets, dishwashers and garbage disposal units. So you see it at home repair and home improvement places that you can buy your new toilet you can buy a garbage disposal and do the replacement yourself they tell you that like, sure you can do it look there's videos we can help we can give you instruction. But under the Hawaii laws, you are not supposed to do that on your own you are supposed to hire a licensed plumber. Replacement of toilet seems easy enough. But you really should get a licensed plumber to do that kind of work. So I was trying to explain to someone what a backflow was.   The problem is it takes two people to do that. I said somebody's got to be at the hose to turn it on. And then when it's at a point to turn it off, they have to turn it off and unhook it. Because the water will suction back into the plumbing into your line. So now you got dirty water going back in there. Correct. And that's the reason we have backflow. Yeah. So, so it got to the point where I'm like, I'm trying to do this. I'm getting the pump. Yeah. And it's one of those things where people don't think about it, but it's to ensure that there is no messing with your potable water.  We certainly don't want it going back into the main system, even not just your apartment or your condo, but to everybody's system. And I can imagine that flushing that system would be a very expensive fix. We have had situations where they have hired on the recommendation of a building manager, the guy who, you know, she hangs around and he's done some small jobs. Also she kind of do it for you. And I had one case where he went into fix a slightly leaking pipe and it became a big leaking pipe and the leak went down about five or six floors. And with the cost of drying out the floors and the units below with additional costs, I believe was a hundred thousand dollars in damages plus. And then I know in my own condo building, one day I heard the alarm go off and it ended up that on a lower floor, a guy was, I don't know what he was doing, but he was doing some kind of plumbing work and broke his hot water pipe. And the hot water was flowing freely out of his apartment. And the guy across the hall was asleep and woke up because he could hear water lapping in his apartment and he took a step. He was in about an inch of hot water. And luckily he was at that. They were at the end of the hall and it was going down the fire escape on the far right. I looked over and it was like a waterfall, but it was a waterfall of hot water. So it was very dangerous. I don't actually know what happened because I was like, thank goodness I'm above them. But I'm assuming that was not a cheap fix as well. Yeah. And I don't like, um, one time I bought up, you know, the window ACs and I had bought the big one and I didn't notice the plug is different. Right. And, um, so I was telling somebody, I go, I goofed. I forgot to look at the plug. It doesn't plug into the regular outlet. And, um, so someone goes, well, you can get an adapter and it would take it from 110 to 220. I go, no. That sounds scary. I'm assuming that it's like all the warnings of the Christmas trees. Yeah.  I go, no.  But yeah, I understand it's always problematic to have people call an electrician or a plumber and, you know, my friends ask me and I can't tell them who's a good plumber electrician partly because of my job, but I see mostly the bad ones. So I also would, I can tell them not to hire. But we do tell people, I mean, I understand I've had the emergency where you're like, I'm calling whoever's going to answer in the phone book or on Yelp, you know, whoever has good stars and my call, you know, but if you have time, we do ask people to get three, you know, three of the licensees to kind of look at the situation and and give you a proposal for the cost of the fix and you choose from there because, you know, you don't, you sometimes you're like, oh, that's expensive, but everyone says it's expensive.  But we can get recommendations from family and friends. That's also the good way to go. But the next door app is good for, it's almost like another Yelp. Oh, that's I've seen that. Yes. Your neighbors in your neighborhood that you put out a word here. I'm looking for license electrician to do this, this and this. And usually you can get some recommendations, which is really good. You know, I do know that in my condo and I've seen in my friends condos that there's always the board with the little business cards and recommendations on who to call. I will let you know that my investigators and I do check those for license. And we do sometimes visit them. So there is a, you know, when we do look at that, and when we have a case where someone has recommended that they use a certain electrician or plumber and they're not actually holding a license. So if they are a real estate agent or anyone with any kind of a real estate license, we do sometimes look at them for aiding and embedding on license activity. So just so you know that is always a possibility, which is why we recommend that when you are looking for someone to do work that you can check with either the contractors license board, the electricians and plumbers board or elevator and mechanics board. We can ask them does this work require license on the DCCA RICO website. You can check 24-7 if someone is licensed. You can also look for complaints as well as we do have a line that you can call in and the number is on our website as well if you want to talk to someone.  Yeah, because I had this guy was an electrician and I was actually looking for I think a plumber. Oh, no. Plumber I didn't know because the hot water heater went out. Right. So the recommendation was this guy and he goes, well, yeah, I can do that. I can put your hot water heater in. But then he never came back to do the other part of it. We know it's the overflow. Right. I think so not to hire somebody else to put in the overflow because he never came back. Like when are you doing that? You know, after a few times of texting, he can be asked to do that. So I'm like, never again.  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm in an older building and I know when I was looking to purchase my place, my real estate agent brought in her quote unquote handyman who I was like, okay, I didn't ask questions. I wasn't in this job yet. And he did a bunch of stuff that now I kind of wonder, was he actually licensed to do some of that? And I don't ask too many questions. The other thing I forgot to mention, the one thing that you don't need a license for is fixing a flood drain.  A license is not required for that. Which thank goodness, because those people are well needed a lot of times to come in. Yeah. Yeah. But I do want to caution with some people that are in older buildings. Yes. They can get that can look us through. I know we were, well, I mean, my neighbor and I are back to back. And so our bathtub drains are late. And we were having a lot of trouble. It was, it's too gross to describe. And so his friend said, oh, I can help snake that. And I thought, okay, he started to snake it and rust was coming up through the drain. And I said, please stop. So I do know that you do have to be careful. It is good to get the guys who do this all the time to come in and snake the drains. And even my drains have stymied some of them. They're like, wow, that, that's a tough train. Yeah. I have an old time plumber. I mean, plumber his whole life, you know, I have the almost confidence in him that something in my studio, the bathtub drain is really slow. Yes. Went from underneath. And he goes, you know, I can see something in there. And, you know, the drain pop ups. I've never had one since I bought it. So he goes, I'm not part, I'm not sure if the part of it's in there. He goes, but man, we're going to have to break open the wall and blah, blah, blah. And I know our pipes are old. They're original from 1960. Oh, no, you are not. I don't care. That's going to be a condo issue. I don't want you to get in there and try to fix it. And then it gets worse. Right. Me. But I did have a discussion with my condo about a pipe in the wall and they said, well, it's within the walls of your apartment. So it's your pipe. And I said, so I will stop the water through that pipe and none of my neighbors in the whole column will have water. So is it still my pipe? But that's a whole other disagreement in there. Yeah. And that's a big confusion with a lot of condos. Whose pipe does it belong to? Yeah. Because your water pipe also is the same pipe that serves other units. Yeah. The whole column of us, right? Same like the sewer. It joins, right? Yes. You know, it's a lot of different things. It varies between condo and it varies between, within the same condo, it varies between the board. But it means that, you know, so it's a delicate thing. So that's why sometimes I go, no, I'm not dealing with it. I'll wait till. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting with living in a condo. I understand a lot more about the situations that I see. And I've learned a lot more about. And I understand the need to look at your contractors and the types of contractors that come in to do the work. Because there's a lot of people who they're a contractor and they're doing some kind of work and you ask them, can you do this additional work? And the scope of their license may be. Not that that kind of work may not be in it. And so we look a lot of times, particularly with bathroom renovations and kitchen renovations, you do have to have plumbers and electricians come in to do some of that work. They can't just perform all that work themselves. And a lot of times when we see problems, it's because those guys weren't called in to do it.  I'm usually like, there's no plumber involved in that work. And that's, that's a big problem for us. So. Yeah. Yeah. Especially the bathtub converting to a shower. Yes. They're doing this proper shower pan. Yeah. Because there was one that the tiles actually were cracking. The grout lines were kind of getting unstuck. Right. The end made the water leak down below. And usually the person who figures it out first is the person below. Because they say, why, why can I see you showering above me now? So I do know that my neighbor upstairs was doing a bathroom renovation and every day afterwards I just kept looking for a water spot. Just praying that there would be no water spot because that is a big problem is when there's renovation work above you, you know that you're going to be the one to find it first. Yeah. And I know some plumbers when they're doing work like that, they will let the water run for a long period of time. Yes. Just to make sure there's no leaks. Yes. You know, before they actually close the walls up or whatever they're doing. They want to make sure there's no leaks before they close anything up. If they find it and then they got to rip it all out again. Yeah.  So, oh, I remember now what I was thinking about earlier. The dollar amount for handyman changed a few years ago, right? Yes. In 2019. Yeah. So is that what, $1,500? $1,500. It used to be $1,000, but it also used to include it is just labor and materials. Oh, okay. $1,500. Yeah. I think it was too difficult to figure out the taxes depending on, you know, is it general excise? Is it income? You know, it's a whole thing. Yeah. So, yeah. And I think they, it had been $1,000 for like 20 years. Yeah. But very long time, even at $1,500 is, it's pretty low. Yeah. It is low. It is, you know, considering the cost of paint and wood, you know, it fixing a fence can be expensive. So it is, it is hard to stay underneath that, that amount. Yeah. And even though some people would want to stay, you know, want to do a job under that $1,500, it didn't work.  It was, can I be under $1,500? No, just the pipe wall cost you that much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there was a lot of discussion about the, how much the amount should be. And that's just sort of what they decided. I think they're thinking, those are, really you want your handyman to be doing some of the minor jobs. And, you know, the more, the bigger the job gets to be, then the more you start to suspect that maybe you need to have some specialized skills and they want to have those tested and get that license. So, you know. And you want that security of that license, the professionalism, you know, and, and they got to know the rules too. You know. Right. And they are required to have insurance for both their employees, which is good for you, workman's comp as well as their business insurance and bonds for the projects themselves. If you have a problem and you're going to file a lawsuit against them for whatever reason, if you notify the contracts recovery fund, you have a chance of recovering from there. If you can't recover from the contractor themselves. So there are a lot more protections that way. Yeah. And if they're an actual bona fide company, they do go through OSHA trainings. I believe, you know, so they have that additional training like elevator. I mean, elevator ladder. Right. And hooking on on a roof, hooking on on a roof. Yeah. That's the big thing because I've seen some roof people without the, without the attachments. Cause even for my roof, when I guess we done, I go, can you put the little hooks on there when you guys do the redo the roof? I like why I go, I go on my roof every once. So I'll just take a look. I even have the safety hardest. It comes in pink now. Oh, nice. Yeah. It was in pink. I went, Oh, this is cool. Yeah. I questioned a lot of people when they get solar panels because you are supposed to go up and review it and clean them once in a while. It is a part of the contracts. And most people didn't read that part or don't think they're ever going to do it, which is why they, there are no companies that will go and you pay them to clean your solar panels, which is a fact as well. Cause I would definitely be paying that. I don't care if there's a pink harness. Okay. So I think we're nearing close to our end. Any other passing words for our words of wisdom for our condos, especially our board of directors.  That's right. I do think, uh, you know, I want to remind everyone that even if you've used a contractor before to check their license, if you're going to use them again, uh, it's easy enough to check it. Sometimes people have lost their licenses due to loss of insurance or for some other reason. So you do want to make sure that they are currently licensed when you are hiring them to perform work. And if you start to have trouble with them, I would also check again that licensing status because we have had people who are companies that have fallen out of, of having a license during a project, which is why you start to not see them or they don't come back. Uh, so that you're on notice that well, you're going to have a big problem. So. And also when you, sorry to interrupt you, when you look it up on your website, you can also see their complaint history, right? Yes, that's, there's actually two things you can do is look at their, whether or not they are properly licensed and you can also see their insurance companies if you need to. And you can also see if they've had any prior complaints or current complaints. So, uh, it is, it is a good website to check. Uh, it's very easy to do. I would take that into consideration when you're going to hire someone. Um, if someone is recommending someone to you to use for any kind of work again, I would check their license. That's something that I check regularly. And I encourage everybody to do. Okay. Thank you, Wendy. I appreciate your time. I appreciate it. And I really appreciate DCCA and the Rico division. Um, to keep everybody on their toes. It complies on their toes. Um, and I hope to see you again. Yeah. I hope to see you like not, not in any bad situation. Hopefully. Thank you so much and have a good weekend. You too. Bye. Bye.


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And better taste is what you get in every pack of Lucky's. Be happy. Go Lucky. Make your next pack Lucky Strike. Lucky tastes better. Cleaner, fresher, smoother. Lucky Strike. The Lucky Strike program starring Jack Benney with Mary Livingston, Rochester, Dennis Day, Bob Crosby and yours truly, Don Wilson. Ladies and gentlemen, in just nine more days, a new tenant will move into the White House. And tonight, since we can't bring you the distinguished and lovable tenant, we bring you the mean old landlord and here he is, Jack Benney. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hello again, this is Jack Benney talking and Don, that's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard, saying that I own the White House.  Technically, as a citizen and taxpayer, you do own the White House. And the capital, the Library of Congress. Don. The United States Post Office. Don. The United States Supreme Court. Don. The United States Mint. Don, stop it. What'd you say? What'd you say? The Mint? What'd you say, Don? I thought that'd get you, but Jack, it's true. You own it, I own it, all the taxpayers own it. It's like being a stockholder in a corporation like, like the American Tobacco Company. Well, Don, that's a very good comparison because everybody knows that the United States Mint is round and firm and fully packed. And if it isn't, it will be on March 15th. That I know. March 15th? What happens on that day? Well, Don, you wouldn't know about this, but people who earn over $500 a year have to pay taxes. Oh, hello, Mary. Hello, Don. Hi, Mary. Mary, I said hello too. I know, I know. But what's eating you? Plenty. All I asked you is let me keep a couple of packages of meat in your deep freeze. And this morning, Rochester sent them back to me. He said there was no room. Well, Mary, if there's no room, there's no room. Well, now, now, wait a minute, Jack. I happen to know that your freezer is unusually large. And just a week ago, I looked in and it was empty. Well, it's full now. No kidding. What's he got in it? His Christmas tree. All right, what's wrong with preserving a Christmas tree? Jack's right, Mary. It isn't any of our business what he keeps in his deep freeze as long as he has plenty of meat. Like those steaks he served us last night. Some steak. What do you mean some steak? If you didn't like it, why did you eat so much? I was trying to guess whether it was Dancer, Prancer, Donner or Blissless. They were not reindeer. Those were very fine steaks. Didn't you see the government stamp on them? Grade A? Mine said Merry Christmas.  Now, look, Mary, we have a show to do tonight on a very important sketch. So let's... What in the world was... Bob! Bob, what happened? Well, Sammy, the drummer, he fell off the bandstand. What? Well, Jack, it isn't what you think. No? See, the boys in the band are just such practical jokers. Practical joker? Why, what do they do? Well, they took the electric wire that goes to Remli's guitar and taped it to Sammy's chair. Well, of all things, wiring up his chair with electricity. I can't understand Sammy falling for it. Didn't he suspect anything when he sat on those wires? Well, he didn't even get suspicious when they slit his pants legs. Slit Sammy's pants legs? Yeah, they didn't have to shave his head. Bad, I know. But Bob, I think the boys are going too far. Sammy could have gotten electrocuted. Oh, well, that's what the boys figured. So last night they took him to a cafeteria and told him to order anything he wanted. Bob, you mean you went with him? Oh, no, Jack. No, don't you remember I was at your house? Oh, yes, yes. Hey, by the way, what kind of steaks were those you served last night? Huh? Well, I went to bed and every time I turned over, I heard sleigh bells. Now, cut that out. I invite the whole gang over for a steak dinner. Instead of being grateful, you all make cracks about it being reindeer. The only one that hasn't is Dennis. I can't talk. I've got an antlet stuck in my throat. An antler. Your hat is still hanging on it. I don't know why it is. I try to do a program and every... Oh, Jack, Jack, take it easy. I can't help it. Dennis, why do you go around irritating people? I'm experimenting. What kind of experiment is that? Irritating people. When you do it to oysters, they give pearls. Mary, you talk to them, will you? Dennis, you better sing your song. Okay. Love with you, heart and soul To be adored, lost control Okay, singing heart and soul, and very good, Dennis, it was excellent. And now, ladies and gentlemen... Oh, look at that thing. I'm in the middle of a program. I know, but I want to tell you something. Tell me something. I just left the house a little while ago. Why do you always call me at the studio? I don't get applause at home. Never mind that. What's so important?  Pictures and everything. Oh, pictures too, huh? Yeah, so I gave him some that were taken when you were in the Navy, some when you were in Vaudeville, and some that were taken when you were entertaining overseas. Oh, good, good. Then he asked for one of your baby pictures, but I couldn't find any. What did you do? I slipped him one of mine. And you were the nicest, kindest, and most considerate man I ever worked for. Well, thank you. He brought up the subject of your generosity. Uh-huh. So I told him for Christmas you gave me a bonus of $5,000. You told him I gave you $5,000? What made you think he'd believe that? Boss, when he didn't question the baby picture, I knew he was vulnerable. Rochester, I have to get back to the program, so I'll see you later. Goodbye. Goodbye. Oh, say, boss. What now?  An electric what blew out? A fuse. A fuse, huh? And my, uh...  My freezer went off, I see. Well, what happened to all the things I have in it? Well, your Christmas tree is all right, but two snakes thought out and ran up the chimney. Ran up the...  Rochester, why did you make up a thing like that?  I am as fortunate. Goodbye, Rochester. Well, Rochester may not be a good butler, but he certainly... He certainly... Hmm. What's the matter, Jack? I wrote an ad liban here, and I can't find it. Oh, well. Well, Jack, what about the important sketch you said we were going to do tonight? Oh, yes. And now, ladies and gentlemen, for our feature attraction tonight, we will present our version of that wonderful Paramount picture, The Road to Bali, which stars Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, and Dorothy Lamour. You know, I saw it last night, Jack, and it really is a funny picture. I know. Now, since I'm a comedian, I'll play Hope's part. And since Bob Crosby is Bing's brother, he'll play his part. And Dennis... Okay, but I look lousy in a sarong. Look it, you're not playing Dorothy Lamour's part.  We met in the jungle. A headhunter. A headhunter? Yes, and before we start, go hunt for your own. I might have a joke in here anyway. Now, as a matter of fact, we were going to have Dorothy Lamour on the show, but at the last minute, something happened. She wanted money. Oh, quiet. Now, Mary, you're going to be Dorothy Lamour. Okay, but with Bing and Bob in the picture, who's going to get me? The maid company, if you keep making those pranks. Now that we've done all the casting, let's get on with our sketch, The Road to Bali. Wait a minute, Jack. What about me? Oh, yes, Don. You've got a very important part. I have? Yes.  You're going to be The Road. Then lie straight out. I don't want any detours. And now, ladies and gentlemen, for our feature attraction of the evening, The Road to Bali. Partner, Bing Crosby and I were stranded in Australia. We were broke and hungry and had no friends in Australia, so finally in desperation, we became pickpockets. The first pocket I picked, nothing. The second pocket, nothing. The third pocket bit me. I had picked the pouch of a kangaroo. After days of continued bad luck, we were walking down the street when I turned to my partner and said, Gosh, four days and nothing to eat. I'm starved. Say, Bing, When the blue of the night meets the gold of the day, there was something Bing could do that he couldn't do. Bing, I can't understand why I'm a failure. I'm a talented dancer. I'm a wonderful singer. I'm a great actor. I'm a big star. What a surprise. Some surprise. We had three rehearsals.  You can go home if you want. I've got a monologue here that will run through Amos and Andy Edgar Bergen and write up to the weather report. Weather report, dull to day, funny tomorrow. Oh yeah, well let me tell you something. Rochester may not be a good butler, but he certainly... Oh my goodness, I wrote it on the wrong page. I like it to say hello to the other... Uh-uh-uh-uh, just a second, Jack. Huh? A full minute has passed and you haven't said it. Oh yes. The road to Bali. That's better. Jack, why did you have to say road to Bali? It's either that or money. Hiya, Mary. Hello, Bob. Say, Bob, you know Bing's brother, of course. Oh, sure. Hello, Bob. Hello, Bob. How do you feel, Bob? Fine. How do you feel, Bob? Fine. How's your wife, Bob? Fine. How's your wife, Bob? Fine. How are your kids, Bob? Fine. How are your kids, Bob? Four riders got paid $6,000 for this parking ticket. Say, Bob, I meant to ask you, does Crosby here resemble his brother Bing much? I don't know. Let me see. Smile, Junior. Okay. Well, they look alike, but Bing is a little fatter on the wallet. He's also a little fatter on the place where he carries his wallet. Which reminds me, I'd like to ask you something, Junior. What is it, Bob? I haven't seen Bing since Christmas. What did he give Santa Claus this year? What? Well, Bob, you know Bing. He doesn't splurge too much around Christmas time. He gives his biggest gifts on March 15th. Amen, brother. Say, Bob, how come you haven't seen Bing for such a long time?  Yes, but they changed our dressing rooms that were not next to each other anymore. I meant to tell you, Jack, they gave me your old dressing room. No, I'm glad you laughed. My old dressing room. Guys, I can still see... still picture it. Start right through anywhere through there. It's all fine. They did, Jack. What? No, that's not... Old dressing room. I was okay in your line. I see. Well, you know, I can still see my old dressing room. There's a big landscape painting on one wall, a window on another wall, and what's on the third wall? Six wash basins. Now, Bob, let's get going. I won't talk until you look at your watch. Oh, yes. Road to Bali. Road to Bali. That's two minutes so fast here. Thanks, Jack. Now, there's something I want to do for you. What's that? Well, I wrote special lyrics to my theme song, Thanks for the Memory, and I'm going to sing it to you with a sportsman's quartet. Oh, that's swell, Bob. Come on. Let's hear it. Okay. All the lucky strikes the pack you gave to me of LSMFT is more than I expected. Thought I'd have to work for free. Oh, thank you so much. Thanks for the lucky strike. A sentiment we share. You hear it everywhere. A lucky strike is better made. Just tear and then compare. Oh, thank you. Some more hungry quartets. Of course. And I'll pay you in jello. That's all you can eat. Oh, boy, what a treat. Well, thanks for the opera, Bob. And be part of your show. But we are stuck with any end for very little dull. Nothing as good, no, there's nothing. For real smoking, pleasure start toughing. A lucky strike. The smoke you love. A lucky strike. The smoke we all enjoy. No loose ends to annoy to Washington from Maine to Illinois. So thank you. It was wonderful, Bob. Not only did you sing the lucky strike commercial well, but you got the only nose that can tear and compare. By the way, you haven't met Dennis Day yet. Hello, Mr. Hope. Oh, hello, Dennis. You know, I saw your very first road picture, the road to Singapore. Really? Yeah, and then I saw the road to Morocco, the road to Zanzibar, the road to Rio, the road to Utopia, and last night I saw the road to Bali. No kidding?  What? You're nothing without being Crosby.  I may cut the strings off you and let you just dangle. Is this fugitive from Glockomora sticking his tongue out at me? No, that's an antler. Now let's get on with the sketch. What sketch? The road to Bali. Good, I gotta free you in that time. I know, but I'm putting my watch ahead. Now let's get on with the sketch. Okay. Hey, Jack, who's that lying down on the floor? That's Don Wilson. He's the road. He's certainly got the belly for it. I couldn't think of anything to say then, so I thought it was better to shut up. What? I was trying to think of a freeway line, but I couldn't finish it either. What? Well, Jack, yes, I think it's only fair for me to play the part I created in the picture. Well, naturally, so I'll play Bing's part. Now, Jack, since Bob here is Bing's brother, he should play that role. Well, what can I do in this game? Well, you play the part of the giant octopus. Now, wait a minute. I'm not playing any octopus. But it's a very important part. I don't care how important it is. Imagine a man in my position in show business playing an octopus. But, Jack, it motivates the whole picture. You see, the octopus guards the sunken treasure worth millions of dollars. Well, get me six more arms and let's go. I'll set the scene. Ladies and gentlemen, Paramount Pictures presents The Rogue to Bali with Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, Dorothy LaMoure, and starring... The Octopus. Curtain. Music. South Sea Islands, a look for sunken treasure. We landed on the island of Attu and became hopelessly lost in the jungle. For days, we wandered through a tangle of vines, and then we came to a rubber plantation and threw it for quite a stretch. In white tide, laugh, you know. 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Okay, good morning. This is the Senate Health and Welfare Committee and it is March 11th Friday. It is crossover day, which is an exciting time for all of us here in the State House. We're working double time for sure. And I would like to counsel and join fiscal folks triple time. So we have three bills that we're looking at to finalize today, a final markup and vote. And the first bill we have is S285, a bill relating to healthcare transformation. Jen Carby is here with us. And Jen, I think we have a new draft of the bill. Is it 4.1? Right. Yes, that 4.1. Okay, so why don't we start with that? We'll just go through the bill and you can identify for us. I know a lot of work obviously happened outside of the room yesterday with agency human services agreement and care board and others reviewing the draft. So it received some comments and they're, they're editing in the bill. Why don't you go through and we'll, we can talk about each one. You want to take a minute before you start. That's great. Okay. We're good. All right. Good morning, Jennifer Carby, Office of Legislative Council. We are looking at draft 4.1 of S285. And I sent this around to you all last night and to a number of stakeholders, the ones who I was remembering have been involved and encourage them to forward it to anyone I had left off the list. I'm just wanting to get people an opportunity to see it before this morning. But we're, I highlighted in yellow the changes from the prior draft. So in the first section, the first change is in the title of the section and I changed it from hospital global human designs to hospital value based payment design. Can I ask a question? Can I go before you? Okay. I was just thinking that as we putting this in as a title and I think it's a great just for the section. It's just for the chapter right for changes. Is there a definition of value based payment in the chapter itself? I don't believe there is necessarily a definition of value based payments. I think it's a, it's a concept more than a defined term. Okay. But this isn't going in statute. This is just a session law provision that is appropriating funds to create a process for distributing value based payments and then it says including global payments. Okay, so at some point, it doesn't necessarily, it might be helpful to have that definition of what a value based payment is and how inclusive it is and what it means because I think, as we, and I'm feeling that frustration as I talk with my peers in the Senate, they're asking questions and then then you have to go through this whole explanation if there were. So let's, let's consider working on that and whether it happens right here. That's, it doesn't have to happen right here, but we could move it along to other committees and make sure that at some point we have a common understanding. Yeah, and I'm able to see if there is CMI or others at the federal level have created a definition that would make sense for us to use your, I wouldn't want ours to be unintentionally under or over. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, so they know if you're potentially adding definition of value based payments. If there is anyone watching who is familiar with a good federal definition, I encourage you to send that my way, please right away. Send it to Aaron. Thank you. All right. Thank you. That was my question. Great minds. And the reason I was making that change is just because we had used that added that language throughout based on our recommendations from, you know, and even though there isn't a definition, it's expected that this is a broader. This captures more than global. Right, because of the way the language now online. So we're still looking at this process. This is all about hiring consultants to assist the board in developing a process for establishing and distributing value based payments, including global payments. So it doesn't necessarily mean exclusively. All right, then on the second page, so we're still looking at this process, developing this process for distributing value based payments from all pairs to Vermont hospitals that will do a few things move away from deeper service, provide predictable sustainable funding. And then you see, this is where we had that solely language yesterday that you talked about taking out. So now say take into consideration the necessary costs and operating expenses that was a request that came in from the hospitals. So, so that's one proposal for your consideration that the payments have taken into consideration both the necessary costs and the operating expenses of providing services and not be based on historical charges. So that they agreed to take out solely. Right, I think that what was expressed was that they were comfortable taking out solely as long as there was this added concept of operating expenses that aren't necessarily just cost based. So my suggestion is that you go through if there's something here you'd like to flag flag it if you're okay with it will just continue. I also note that in what came in this morning from Mary Kate Mullen from by say primary care. Her request would be instead of talking about not being based on historical charges that not based. I think she's potentially back solely on historical reimbursement. And if we're using features data that data was like reimbursement about not charges, I think we'll leave it as charges that opens up a whole new discussion. Yeah, that's, remember this has to hopefully this bill will get to the house. I'm not making that. So then no other changes in that section. I don't know if there's anything more in that section that you want to look at or just go through. Okay, section to the only change in the first part is just that I added the word system so it's talking this is the 2.5 million to the green line care board. And it had said to build on successful healthcare delivery reform and I think throughout we've been talking about healthcare delivery system reform. And it's making that consistent. Can you remind me. No one was a 2.5 billion the original request from the demand here for you know that was the three million that was our three million and this is where we look for 500,000 for other work. Okay, thank you. That piece of your. Great. And then the other change that is here on page. Okay. Is a new subsection. This is based on recommendations from Patrick flood. He had talked to he had recommended. The agency human services to identify the funding necessary for community agencies to effectively implement the redesign and provide the proper level of services. I thought if they were identifying the funding necessary, it would make sense for them to actually report that. So I put in a report, you don't have to keep that. The agency human services would like you to take out the, they say he won, but he too doesn't make sense that he won take out he and it's entirely but as written, this would direct honor before and I put January 15, 2024. Just looking at the timeline for the green mountain care boards expected work on the community engagement process and development the plan which seemed like it was projected to go through 2023. And by January 2024, potentially there would be an idea of what that plan looked like. So honor before January 15, 2024, the director of health care reform at AHS would report to a number of committees including in the Senate this committee finance and the amount of state funding that would be necessary for Vermont's community based health care and social service providers to effectively implement the plan developed pursuant to subsection a of the section as it relates to community providers and and to ensure they are able to provide the appropriate level of services to consumers. And then for purposes of this section, we've defined community based health care and social service providers and I put in the same groups he had. So it's the FQHCs. He just had designated agencies I included the special service agencies assuming you would want both home health agencies area agencies on aging adult day providers, residential care homes, nursing homes. He did not have assisted living for instance, and I wasn't sure if you would want that or not they did not put it in but wanted to play it providers of services addressing homelessness and community action agencies. So a lot for you to think about here. This was a, this was a long conversation between a month with this really comes from Robin. This does not come from Robin and yeah, where is it? Where is it? This right this comes from Patrick flood. Oh, that's right. Okay, I know. Okay. And through Shayla let me send you something asking you to please take out one. Yes, they say take out one. I wouldn't wait to. There's no purpose for you to if there's no one, but I recognize their objection is what you want. Well, the question we have let's flag this and then the question I would have is how essential is this work to the design at transformation work was this something that would be a fact step. This is potentially a next step. Yeah, I mean it's looking at what it would, you know, I think we need to talk about this a bit yesterday but as I understand the proposal it's really looking at what the plan is calling for and if there's it. is looking to shift services to the communities what is the capacity of the community providers to deliver those services. Yeah, so I'm you know if we put that we layer this and then the design. Everything has to happen all at once and we would like to see the first step so I'm not unhappy about removing that at this point I think it is a next step but I can listen to other members of the committee. I think it is very important. So for putting a date out that is right you cannot I picked sort of what what seemed like the earliest reasonable and rational not even necessarily the earliest possible date, given the timeline for that process work you could put it out, you know, a year or two. For 2026 I wonder what would, would it still be timely, but it's I think it absolutely is necessary if the data. One thing to think about to as you're asking for important two years from now, two years to know what you'll be thinking about what information you will already have. And long as information is important it may not be important to you to years from now, because you might be already past this. So just think about you're the one sooner, where you put a flag in it for next year. Now, I'm sort of feeling that way. And we might be able to refer to this kind of assessment later on. Yeah, you may also want to make sure it continues to be on the agency's radar, which I expected as already but but just this particular concern about not just planning for things to shift to the community, but what is the capacity between the agency and the services. Okay, let's do that. Let's take it out here but then I see Mike Fisher, but you can remind us where you think you might insert it will also So now, it's not a bad idea is just it's not, it doesn't feel timely for everything else in the bill. And there are a lot of people who are ahead of this so a lot of people are ready to do all this but Okay, so then we get to section three section three is the result of the work between Ena and Robin after this committee during yesterday. And this is so it's now called the development of development of proposal for subsequent all payer model agreement and it includes an appropriation. The director of health care reform and AHS in collaboration with the Green Mountain care board and I think in earlier versions, there's been consultation happening and you talked with them yesterday about who's driving things. So in this case the director of health care reformers name first but it's a collaboration with the Green Mountain care board. And they're directed to design and develop a proposal for a subsequent agreement with Sam and I to secure Medicare's continued participation in multi care alternative payment models in Vermont. The proposal shall be informed by the community and provider groups of process that for conception two of this act so that's where I wanted to reference. And delivery system transformation work and designed to reduce efficiencies lower costs improve population health outcomes and increase access to essential services and that's language that is used in that section to the design and development of the proposal shall include consideration of alternative payment and delivery system approaches for hospital services and community based providers, such as primary care providers, mental health providers, substance use disorder treatment providers, skilled nursing facilities, home health agencies and providers of long term services and supports. It says the alternative payment models to be explored must include at a minimum global payments from hospitals, geographically or regionally based global budgets for health care services, existing federal value based payment models, and broader total cost of care and risk sharing models to address patient migration patterns across systems of care. It also says the alternative payment models must include appropriate mechanisms to convert fee for service reimbursements to predictable payments for multiple provider types, including those described in subdivision to the production phase that was the list of such as primary care, mental health etc. Include a process to ensure reasonable and adequate rates of payment and reasonable and predictable schedule for rate updates and meaningfully impact health equity and address inequities in terms of access quality and health outcomes and the design and development of a proposed agreement with CMMI for Medicare's participation in multi care initiatives, which may include engaging consulting and analytic support. The following steps are appropriated from the general fund in FY 2023. And it's 550,000 to the agency of Human Services and 550,000 to the Green Mountain Care Board. This is taking the 500,000 that had been allotted for other purposes in the bill and the 600,000 that was the board had requested for their work on the Medicare. And it's combining those and then splitting them in half. So that was the idea that Senator Hardy mentioned yesterday and that looks like what they have agreed to. And we know that this, you know, it's going to approach, but they agree to it at this point. That they have, they sent the language. Yeah, this is, this is their language. Yeah, it worked hard yesterday. Did you have a question? No one has to. Before Jen was on to the next section. I'm ready to move on. I don't know if they're ready to move on. Yeah, no. So I never got an answer to whether the $500,000 is the right, this section four. Yes. I never got an answer as to whether the $500,000 for HIV strategy. Actually, I think that comes out. I think that comes out and gets excluded and I didn't think about that, but I think, thanks. Yes. We're almost half of what makes up the, the 1.1, they get split up in section three. So I think that it's just, yeah, gone. And I just realized me as the fellow green house fell on the floor that I make me their course. Let me know when it's up. All right. So, so section four. Would just be wouldn't be set section a would just be the language that was that section a with the HID steering committee continuing this work to create one health record for each person that integrates various data types as described. And included a data integration strategy in the 23rd 2023 HID strategic plan to merge and consolidate claims data in the years with clinical data and health information exchange and then the appropriation would come out. Section five is the language that we looked at. A bit yesterday around the cures and taking out the prohibition on information being filed with the board in a manner that discloses the identity of the protected person patient. I did not make any changes there. Section 167 on the blueprint. Section six, I did not make any changes. This is reflecting the years of quality improvement facilitators in the blueprint. Section seven, it did make some changes based on some recommendations from there's a question from the Jessica Barnard at the medical society. This is where the director of health care reform is reporting we're recommending by September 1st, the amounts by which health insurers and Medicaid should increase the amount of the per person per month payments. They make sure to share cost operating blueprint to health teams and quality improvement facilitators. And then I changed your wording a little bit, but it would say to contribute to the goal of increasing each plan or payer spending on primary care over time. Until primary care and then we get away from this 12% concept until primary care reimbursement is sufficient to reflect the costs of providing comprehensive primary care services for monitors, and to sustain access to primary care services. And then we got a recommendation from American moment by state again this morning suggesting instead to change the language so that it would say recommend the amounts by which health insurers and Medicaid should increase the amount of the person from payments they made towards the share of cost of operating. The blueprint community health teams and quality improvement facilitators to contribute to the goal of increasing result consistent and increasing each plan or payers, spending on primary care over time to add additional resources for providing comprehensive primary care services to managers and to sustain access to primary care so she's instead of getting quite a specific about increasing the reinforcement amounts. She's talking about adding additional resources. It actually makes more sense considering what is being the purpose of the payments are not reimbursement for say they are adding resources to the primary care practices to provide the services the community health team and and quality improvement facilitators so they're not they're not really reimbursement in the kind of fee for service sense they are decreasing the resources. For me, it may be that this that the language we have allows the resources. Well, I think I think the language that is in the bill as I'm kind of thinking through Medicaid proposal here. I think the language is in the bill right now talks about increasing information payment. Payments that you're going to the goal of increasing spending on primary care over time until primary care reimbursement is sufficient to reflect the costs, but it's not really. It's not going to the rates. It's not going into reimbursement rates that these additional per person performance payments. So I think Mary Kate's idea of framing them as adding resources probably more reflective of reality then. So what do we think committee I mean that that does make sense but. I am on sort of jumping between 17 and 21. Just as far as a lot of a event well so. So she so Mary Kate's language would strike out after over time. So it would, it would take out until primary care and reimbursement is sufficient to reflect the costs of, and she would instead have it say, after over time to add additional resources necessary for providing comprehensive. I think it comes up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's a good way of saying it. Yes, it's adding up front. Yeah, to be able to provide services beyond just what they would ordinarily be going for. Okay, the care coordination. That makes sense. Okay. All right, good. Right. More things here section eight is the options for extending moderates supports. And most of this is as we have looked at it it's the working group, considering a number of things around. The working group supports and how whether and how to extend those Patrick had recommended and you were interested in the working group also looking at dual eligible and so I had it and because it doesn't necessarily flow out of the, the moderates I put it as its own subsection that the working group. She also made recommendations regarding changes to service delivery for persons who are duly eligible for Medicaid and Medicare in order to improve care, expand options and reduce unnecessary cost shifting and duplication. And for see I'm just going to run through all of these and see I specifically called out that's the part where the department collaborates with others in a chess to incorporate the working groups recommendations into the proposals and negotiations for that next next little commitment demonstration and so I clarified that that was specifically about the moderate needs group so that wasn't in Patrick had said and put those into the waiver and you had wanted to hear about them first. So, this is directing then just that they incorporate the working groups recommendations on extending access to long term home and community based services and supports into the proposals and negotiations for the next next demonstration. And then indeed, where they're recording, they would report on both. So they would report their working groups findings and recommendations, including its recommendations regarding service delivery for duly eligible individuals and an estimate of any funding that we needed to implement. And then it had said those because it was all about the moderate needs group, but now it's the working group recommendations. Okay. And that is it for changes. All right. Any, any of any of the changes that you were looking at that you wanted to address the committee first. I would like to remind you again, what changes have made to what is requested to what it's in front of you that I will put in the draft. Mike, did you want to comment. Jen may be about to cover this. I was looking for my Fisher healthcare advocate clarification about whether you're looking for language in this draft about the concept that I think Patrick puts forward that. That needs assessment be done process. This process include a recognition of the is our place to put that. I think there is I think when we are and I don't know if that's the community engagement process level or at a broader level. But I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. What's happening with that in the community engagement process. I mean, it probably clearly pick up a lot of information about that. Right. This is really more of an administrative tasks that would happen. Prior to. Well, right. I mean, it's a, it sounds like at least as a, as a beginning step, you are interested in this process. So I think it's a good question. And I think that's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think they don't design a plan for something that is completely unworkable in our. Yes. Community provider system. Yes. And so. So reflect that. So a lot of this is focusing on the patient focused community inclusive. Plan. But I think maybe we could put in a. A loan. Subsection. It says. And doing this work. They need to be. Mindful of the capacity. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. And I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I agree. And then my father. My second clarification. Were we thinking there was a chair thinking that a definition. Value based along the. This bill where separate. Well, if we could, if we had something, we would put it in, but I'm not, you know, that's not something I would personally like to have my own. But. And, but it will, there will be time to put it into the bill as it goes forward. You know, I don't think we want to, we don't have to do that. Now. So. That works twice in two days. Are there other things you want to. Discuss about the changes before I go through and tell you what I think I have. I think I'm marching orders are. Yeah. I'll go ahead. Okay. So potentially looking for a definition of value based payments to add in section one. Section two. Adding what I think will be a new subsection C. About being mindful of the. Community based provider system and whatever we designed. Plan emerges. Taking out the standalone subsection on. On a report back on the funding necessary for the community based. Health care and social service providers to implement the plan. Then the next change would come on page. Okay. Okay. I'm just taking out the money. For the HIV work because that money is being used elsewhere. On page. 12 under the blueprint. Making the change that Mary. Moment had suggested. So reflect the impact of those increased. That was good. Perfect. Yeah. Hey, you. And. Just got a message. They were looking for a federal definition of value based care. I think it's value based care so much value based payments. So when they have to. They have to circle back with her. But hopefully we'll be able to find you. So. We are. We're pumpkin. I know you are. So I'm wondering. I see Katie is here. I'm wondering. Yeah. I'm getting ready. Right. I'm getting ready to have a bill. Yeah. You are $5 million. Pardon me. No, you're at $5 million. Five million of this one. So far. So I'm going to go. To the sent to the house floor and listen to my bill. And use my laptop to make these changes. And. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. You know, he is very. Like the roll call. Yeah. Aren't I? You don't have to give it to him. He keeps it in the official records. Okay. So if there's any question about the vote. That's the official back. Just making sure I wasn't supposed to go to the. Yeah. The reporter. Of the bill. You're just going to nervous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


American Horror Story just ain't what it used to be. And on its 12th season, how do they get their dwindling audience back? How do they make American Horror Story relevant again? This is Matt Rogers and join me as we take a look at why casting Kim Kardashian was a marketing necessity and what's in store for us in this season of American Horror Story, delicate. In a time when the series is at its absolute worst with seasons either terribly written, plain boring or like what we got in season 11's New York City, boring in the lead-up to it being terribly written. NYC was a season that took itself really seriously covering very serious real life events and the killer's name was Big Daddy? Pick a tone and I won't even say what I think about the spinoff American Horror Stories. But now we are getting back one of Ryan Murphy's original Scream Queens, that's a step in the right direction. Then Cara DelVine is joining the series, questionable but I wouldn't say bad necessarily, but adding Kim Kardashian that's an intentionally unserious choice, but you can't argue it'll get clicks and morbidly curious eyes watching on premiere night. I've said for some time now that I believe the show needs to return to the campy yet well written vibe that they had back in season 3's Coven, which Emma Roberts did have a standout role in as Madison Montgomery. That is a little bit of nostalgia and a lot of pop culture relevance and enough pieces to put this delicate series back together. Let's just hope the real horror story isn't Kardashian's acting. Naomi, we're running a business here, whenever you're on who wore it best, I go for the other girl. Lover or hater, Kim Kardashian is far from being known for her acting. I took a look at her IMDb and it's 99% cameos of her playing herself with the rare exception of guest starring roles, including 90210 and Drop Dead Diva. Like what is this? Just fantastic. The cynical side of me really wants Kardashian's acting to be as stiff as this, horror story might find a new audience in it becoming ironically entertaining. But the opposite could also be entertaining. What if Kim got an amazing acting coach in recent years and became a scream queen in her own right? I'm very ready and willing to be wrong if Kardashian becomes a dark horse in acting like Gaga was in hotel. No, I'm sorry, there's just no way. So if it's good, it's good, and if it's bad, it's good. But the issue there lies in the grey area. The way the season can go wrong is by it not being that good or not being that bad either. A forgettable season that leaves us without anything to discuss, speculate, reference or quote. Again, I want to be wrong, but that's where my money is. This casting choice is a double-edged sword though. It of course will have some critics of Kardashian become less likely to watch a season they were otherwise going to watch. On the other hand, there's an unintentional perk also. We are all familiar with the current Riders strike which has resulted in actors now not being able to promote their projects at all until the guilds come to an agreement with the studios. So whilst the strike is ongoing, having an A-list celebrity who isn't known for her acting join a TV show helps this season to sell itself. The trailers get shared like crazy on social media plus it releases over Halloween and therefore the three leading ladies don't need to do a spot of press. Horror Story has already lost almost every single one of its original cast from the golden era of the show. No more Sarah Paulson, Evan Peters or Jessica Lang. Lang, whose departure set in motion the departure of quality that we came to expect in seasons one through four. But here we are seven seasons later and this show needs new fans to start watching or old fans to resume watching. But what would this season be without its premise? AHS 12 will reportedly be based on the Danielle Valentine novel Delicate Condition. The official synopsis for the book says quote, Anna Alcott is desperate to have a family but as she tries to balance her increasingly public life as an indie actress with a gruelling IVF journey, she starts to suspect that someone is going to great lengths to make sure that never happens. Crucial medicines are lost, appointments are swapped without her knowledge, cryptic warnings have her jumping at shadows and despite everything she's gone through to make this pregnancy a reality not even her husband is willing to believe that someone is playing twisted games with her end quote. The posters for this season also seem to confirm this premise by having Roberts and Kardashian each standing in the grip of a spider with its abdomen representing a pregnant stomach. Cara Delveen meanwhile is seen with said spider in a syringe, assumed to be the malevolent force responsible for these metaphorical spider babies. Though please let it not be a repeat of season 10's Death Valley with a nonsensical alien impregnation of every character on the show. Considering the promos and the novel's synopsis, my prediction is Delveen's character will sabotage Roberts and Kardashian's pregnancies, then proceed to give them an insidious offer they can't refuse. I guess we'll find out when AHS Delicate premieres on September 20th. But in the meantime, will you be watching Kim Kardashian in American Horror Story? Have you been watching the recent seasons? I'd love to know what you think, so let me know, I'll be down there in the comments. 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