're saying that that doesn't really include the students, then my suggestion is to say, well, okay, we need to add, you know, two more people on each in each level or whatever, so that when the students are all here and there are partying in town and having all these like, you know, living in town and having all these breakdowns and crises that are not or like parties or whatever that are nonviolent, we still have people that can respond to them. And then we don't, because what's going to end up happening is that the students are going to take off all of our resources. They're not, their school is not contributing anything towards those resources. And then, again, people in town, specifically the BIPOC community is going to be at the, you know, the end, you know, the police end of it per se. You understand what I'm saying? Where it's like, well, we've, we've, we've used all of our resources. So now we're actually having to call the police to come in to deal with this because, you know, we didn't staff enough. So we definitely don't want to, I'd rather over staff.  And so I say, yeah, that's a conservative number.  I mean, that's the original initial thinking, but we say let's present this to all of you tonight, you know, to present this and then whatever the group, you know, wants to do, we can tweak it. And then before we submit it to the town manager. Well, yeah, my, my vote is to double it. Ms. Walker. Thank you. So I just wanted to state that the numbers or the information that I got from the town budget as to the number of service calls do include UMass students. So that was all calls received by Amherst police in last year period, not just from the town. I don't think they even organize the data in that way. And so I did base it off of all of the numbers for the entire fiscal year last year. And you can see the service calls for the last five years, and they're all very similar. It hasn't changed much over the last five years. Um, but I am also in support of raising this number. I know when we met as a budget team, we all proposed our own drafts and then combine them together to make this draft. And my personal draft had a 16 responder model because I think that when two responders are out responding to a call, there needs to be people in the center in case somebody comes in in crisis. But we are also aware of the budget constraints. And so I think our idea and presenting it in this way is that this program should be sufficient enough to start. And it's, and then the town can say that this is really working and we need to increase the budget, hopefully because we already, we're already going to have a hard time pushing this number to be completely honest. We already know they're not interested in giving us this much money. They quoted us at 700 K for this program. So I think that's where our our hesitation comes in. But I am not against doubling this because I personally do believe that we would need more responders on staff. Also, we don't want to overwork the people that are there if we're going to have the program be 24 seven and only have certain people like we don't want them working around the clock. But I, but I also wouldn't be opposed to leaving it how it is. So I would be interested in hearing more from the group. Mr. Wiley. Thank you. And thank you for indulging me right now. I moved actually a training I'm supposed to be doing at 830 to a little little later. So they give me some leeway. So I'm going to hang in. But I'm listening to all the conversations we're having. And I guess I'm one of my questions is and I'm with this conversation all the way around in terms of supporting what needs to happen in terms of a positive responder response in this community that's going to give service and support and security and safety to our Bible community. I don't want to lose that with within the numbers. I do want to ask the group if we don't know. And we didn't get a chance to police department right now. Because that was one of the questions we wanted to get to at some point is where are they willing to or eager to or needing to move away from their models of policing into crest models. And I think there's a potential there. And I think one of the things about that. The reason I'm raising that is that I think that we have an opportunity here. We have an opportunity to possibly redirect funding from the police department to alternative models of public safety. Put it that way. We also have to be conscious of the fact that we're there. They're seeing their particular issues as a structure within the town. I think that conversation with them was important because I do believe there's an opportunity there. And I think there's an opportunity in the town to redirect not to redirect money into this effort we're talking about to do the right thing for our community. And I guess my I guess I don't know what my question is necessarily but is but that I support the work of what people have done around the budget. I support the work around what people have done around crests and everything. And I think there is an opportunity in this community to move in that direction if we do it the right way. And so I'm hoping that it's not just the numbers shifting back and forth that are going to make a difference. Not only about the numbers but what the ultimate impact is going to be for our community. I mean I think that's it. This is an opportunity here and we're in it and discussing it. I think that's you know that's a good thing. Ms. Freira, Mr. Vernon Jones and then Ms. Walker. Yeah. So for me yeah I don't want the police to have anything to do with anything that we're talking about here. I want it anything that's non-criminal, nonviolent. I want it to be to go to a crest which will be an independent. That's why I wanted to be the first to have that in the motion independent with their own space and their own program. I think the police had an opportunity to do what they had to do and they weren't very successful even with their crisis intervention teams and everything. They weren't very successful. So I don't want them to have anything to do with this in terms of that. What would only be I guess the only thing that I could fathom would be again if something that the respond is respond to and then it becomes violent and they you know and they need backup I guess you know that maybe that could be possibly the only place besides that I want them to be the ones to respond to situations and not the police and I don't want them to have any say in terms of how they respond, when they respond, what they do when they respond. It needs to be totally independent you know and I want you know since they won't be responding since the police won't be responding their budget needs to be cut. That's basically it. The budget needs to be cut so that the money can go to the program. That's that's what I'm and so when I'm looking at this based on all the discussions that people are having I do think we would need to and I think it's probably important for us to up the the money for the responders I mean the staffing for the responders and the supervisors because yeah right now we only have two people per shift which would mean that if anyone's sick or if there's multiple incidents happening at the same time then we would be you know in a crunch there right so I think at least we need to at least have four people per shift at least and also people take vacations and stuff like that so they're going to need people to cover them during those shifts and things like that. I like the suggestion I like it. I was muted sorry Mr. Vernon Jones and then Ms. Walker. I don't necessarily disagree with what's been said but I'm trying to watch the time and I think we said we were going to only go 30 to 45 minutes. I wondered if we could see the rest if you could walk us through the rest of the budget before they're trying to make changes. Okay. Okay. So okay. Oh wait. Ms. Walker, hand up. Yeah. I'm sorry. I agree with Mr. Vernon Jones so I'll try to make it quick. I just wanted to say that the police spoke with us and I think it was helpful to have them speak with us before this because they did let us know that they're on board. I think everything that they said aligned went along with they don't necessarily want to be responding to these calls. They want to give us the mental health calls. They want to give us those calls and so I think they'd be more than willing to work with us in terms of turning those calls over to us and then it would be up to the town manager and the town council in terms of moving the funds that they used to respond to those calls to us so that we can respond to those calls. Okay. So the next slide. Okay. Do you see it? Yeah. I will be really brief on this. I think Ms. Owen and Ms. Alicia will just explain the reasoning in order to save time. So can you enlarge it a little bit so that other people can see it? Can people see it? Okay. So just like Chris, we talked about having the diversity, equity and inclusion be a separate department in the town, separate. And so again, we compared some salary scales and that's how we came up with the director. We had a huge responsibility and then we also discussed about getting an assistant director as well because it's a department. And the administrative assistant, just like all other departments in town, have administrative assistant. And I'm just going real fast. With the youth center, we solicited input from some youth including Darius Cage. And we have to have a full-time center coordinator that will be reporting to the director of diversity, equity and inclusion. And then scroll down please. And then three or four time youth center support services. I'm just like rushing through this because of time. And then we also talked about having BIPOC cultural center. So the argument will be, oh, we have MS Family Center. We have LLC. We have all these social services in town. The problem is that they're not accessible to BIPOC families. But BIPOC families do not get adequate services due to language barrier, due to the administrators who are non-BIPOC. It's just not working for BIPOC families. So we do need a dedicated program for BIPOC folks. Also, it will benefit other residents too, a place where BIPOC families can go comfortably to seek for help. And yeah. So the cultural center, we're hoping that it will help to promote BIPOC culture, showcase BIPOC museum and celebrations like Juneteenth, Panza, and other celebrations from Caribbean, Africa, Hispanic, Asia, Hawaii, all over. And in addition to that, I'm just like repeating the support and case management. If people are struggling with paying their rent, for example, currently what the town is doing is contracting that service to an agency in Greenfield that is headed by Caucasian. And some BIPOC families have been denied the service, even though they are qualified to get a rental assistance. So we want that service back into the community. If that is a domestic issue, if somebody needs some resources and support that is BIPOC or even anyone, they can come to that center to get some help. And I think Ms. Bowen and Ms. Walker can talk more about that. So basically the insurance is the same formula that we used. Ms. Walker has her hand up. Sorry, thank you. I just wanted to say that we talked about some of the roles in this department and in this center. We were hoping that these can be housed in one building, like a one-stop shop for families and have all of these programs hopefully be under the same roof. And then the reason for the salaries and the reasoning for these programs to be separate from other programs that may exist in the town is that we were hoping that all of the staff and directors of these programs will have anti-racist training. They will be trained in cultural competency and that they will be trained in trauma-informed care so that they can meet the needs specifically of the BIPOC community. I just want to mention that with the youth center, what we got back from the youth input was that it has to be close to the school, to high school or middle school, like downtown, that it will be easier for kids to walk down to the center instead of located far away from downtown in order to attract kids to access the facility. That people will be reluctant to take the bus if it's for example in North Amist or South Amist, that people wouldn't go there, that we should try to locate space in town. One of the spaces that was mentioned was the gym at the same bridges or something like that. For the town to explore that. Anyway, so the employer contribution pension is the same formula that we use for the Medicare. And let's see. Okay, so the furniture, we felt that with the youth center, for example, they might need like gym section, they might need more equipment with the youth center so that the kids don't want just one room for everybody to gather. That would be like, people need help with homework or schoolwork or people just want to socialize and chill out or people just want to exercise so that would be separate spaces for that. And we felt that it would need more money to do that. And also of course with the director of the entire program dedicated space. But anyway, so next please. So same logic with the training is very important that we just don't hire people and not give them adequate support and funding. That is very critical that there is enough funding to retain staff. Mr. Wiley, sorry, I missed your hand. You didn't miss it actually. I was right there. Okay, I'm almost done. So we felt that. Sorry, I'm almost done. Okay, we felt that the youth program needs vehicle. The reasoning around that is thinking that the program will run from afternoon like 2 p.m. to 6 p.m. Monday through Friday but Saturday maybe from noon time to 6. And in the evening, we don't just want to send kids off if they don't live on bus route. So the vehicle will help to transport kids home. I knew, I know when I was running my restaurant, I never allowed any of my high school kids to to take the bus home. I made sure I arranged if their parents are not able to come pick them up, that they get they got home safely. So that's the reason the safety issues are supplies, celebrations, that's the amount I'm done. So language, ambassadors, they will not necessarily be time employees, but we will hope that they will be compensated very well when they render their services. So I would let Alicia and Breanna jump in. I would be happy to hear from Mr. Wiley or other people with questions before I add anything, if that's okay. Okay. I will need to defer. I have a couple of minutes. I just want to say I had to move a meeting to 9 o'clock. That's supposed to happen to me at 8 o'clock. So I don't lose too many friends tonight. But if you don't mind, Ms. Walker, I'll be very brief. Yeah, absolutely. As I'm looking at this thing in its totality, I believe we're on the right track here. I do believe we're on the right track in terms of what we're trying to do with this particular program. And when I look at this particular piece, I see if my count is right, there's probably about 10 positions in here that are full-time positions that probably cross over into other areas of our town and our town government. You know, while we may not want to relinquish that responsibility to let's say leisure services, for example, but these are positions that would have to be hired and trained. And financed all the way through to benefits and other kinds of things, which is a cost. No problem with that. But to understand that that's what's happening in that area. And I wonder if some of those things might overlap with maybe some of the initiatives that Department of Leisure Services may be thinking about. Could this be a shared opportunity here? The other piece I wanted to say, and I apologize, I have to get off because I have to attend to these other folks at this point in time. But there's a really strong opportunity for us to do something here. And I don't know how to emphasize that enough at this particular time. But if we can get ourselves to a point where we can see that we can propose something that's coherent, concrete, and it's going to have some traction at the town level, then we're going to do ourselves well. I think that we've got to stay focused on what our mission was and is and what our task is before us. And if we can do that, and I think we're there, we're on our way. Mr. Wiley, I just have a quick question for you before you jump off. I thought we were expanding the meeting to all agree on this motion. If you leave and we all agree on these numbers, is that okay with you? I have no disagreement with the intent and spirit of where we're going. So I do have to go. I'm not in disagreement with what we're doing. I'm just saying, I hope we can stay the course around what our mission and vision is with respect to what the town is charged us to do going forward. All respect to the people who have done the work on the budget. Certainly it's supposed to have done the work on the crest piece of it. You know, I'm with you. I'm supported all the way through as far as I can see it, Ms. Walker. So I'm in Ms. Owen. So that's fine with them. Okay. Awesome. So before you leave, if you don't mind, before you leave Mr. Wiley, what I didn't mention is that this program is prevention. Crest is crisis intervention. This program is prevention. So there is two distinct reasons why we have this. So that's why we have prevention for this one. Crest is crisis intervention. Understood. Thank you. I see Ms. Moisten's hand, then Ms. Walker, then Ms. Pereira. I'll be quick too. So I'm very excited about this because I've had this whole notion in my head somewhere that we could be somewhere like the Hampshire YMCA is so successful and I understand that they have funding through a different system. And I'm not saying that it has to be like that, but I just know like the Hampshire Y to some degree works as like that one stop place. And it has all of the community organizations and like these kids need a basketball court and they, you know, they need some other places for activities. So I just, I don't know about like the merge if we can get all of the different youth programs to kind of merge together and work or how you guys would want to do that. But I just, I'm very excited about this piece of it. And I think that it could definitely work. You could utilize some systems that are already in play. As long as, very good point, as long as it's headed by BIPOC leadership, that's the whole point of creating this. If BIPOC families are getting the services that we need in this town, we won't have this. So that's the whole point. I don't have any problem merging some of the services as long as it is administered by BIPOC leadership. That's the emphasis. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I, nine o'clock was as late as I could push my other commitment. I do need to go. I totally agree that these are things our town needs and really appreciate the work that people have put in. I'm very sorry I can't stay. So should we put my emotion or should we, so let's round this up. Yeah. So I see Ms. Walker's hand, Ms. Freira and then Mr. Wiley. That's okay. I'm in favor of moving towards emotion so that we can get people out of here and I can save my comments for next week. Yeah. Ms. Freira. Yeah, me too. I just want to do the vote, but I also don't want to forget that we had also said about possibly adding more responders. Should I make changes on that? Should we make changes on that? What would that? Yeah, I would be in favor of doubling just what we have now in terms of the responders. What about the dispatchers? Just the responders? Just the responders for me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Mr. Wiley. I think my part in comment is that I don't want to abandon the fact that there have been our consultant group has been with us through this entire process and they are in our community doing work with our community getting feedback. And at this particular point, we have not fully heard from them about what resources they found or what information they've received from our community. And I think this is going to be important because it will touch on all of these items that we're receiving. We're talking about right now, but as they're spending a lot of time working on this and extended time attending these meetings and I'm speaking on behalf of them, their voice has not been heard, but they're taking all this information. I hope we can facilitate an opportunity to have a conversation with them. Perhaps the next meeting if possible to hear more from them about what they're finding because this is going to inform what happens for us in May, in terms of our formal response to the town. So I want to thank them for being here. I know they're on this meeting right now and they're listening, but I don't want to dismiss them in this conversation. And with that out, I'll let it go. I do have to prowl about 15 people right now. So can I say something? I agree with Mr. Wale. I think we should table the motion till next week Wednesday after we hear from the walk-off. Yeah, but wait a minute, but we can't do that. We cannot do that. We can't do that. We cannot do that. We cannot use the budget by Friday and stuff. So we need to do that. I didn't spend an extra 45 minutes to then table it. No, no, no, no. Absolutely not. We're voting on it tonight now. I'm not asking. I don't want to be misinterpreted. I'm not advocating abandoning the motion. I'm just saying I think we have to make space for it. But Mr. Wiley, we're going to do that for the report. That's the whole point. We're not going to listen to them, obviously, but that's what I'll be included in the report. Right now, budget decisions. Right. Got you. Two different things. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.  Yeah. I was basically, I think I know where you're going, but with all that being said, we need to vote on this. It's after 45 minutes. We agreed to 45 minutes. I need to go. So can we, can we put this to a vote, please? All in favor to motion, should we do the, both of them separate together? No, let's do it together. But just with the amendment for the responders that we double the responders. That's it. That was the amendment. Okay. So I motion to move both of the budgets forward with the responders doubled to the Amherst population. All in favor, raise your hand. And it's seconded too, by the way. Yes. Man, I'm really bad at all of this meeting, like the format. I have a question before we vote, please. When you say responders, I have a question before we vote. When you say responders, do you mean also the supervisors or just the responders? I think just responders. Okay. Got you. Okay. Are we all in agreement of that? Ms. Walker. Oh, she has her hand raised. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Sorry. Okay. Let me pull up the reading agenda. So I'm really awful at this. Okay. So are there any events before we close out? Well, actually, so then who's going to submit that though? Who's going to submit it to Mr. Mr. Bachman? So we know that that's going to get sent out to him. Ms. Pat. The chair, right? Don't we send it to Mr. Bachman and C.C. Jennifer? Yeah. Ms. Pat, why don't you just do it? You all worked on it. Okay. Just do it and send it to Mr. Bachman and C.C. Jennifer. Okay. When do you guys want this sent tomorrow? Tomorrow. No. I mean, unless you want to do it now. Yeah. We've already voted on it. Just do it. I think Ms. Bachman is right. I think Ms. Bachman is right. We already did it. Yeah. Didn't just send it out to him. Yeah. Did we vote already? Yeah. We did. Just don't forget to. Okay. I'm tired. Don't forget to double the responders. Yeah. I went. All the responders and then send it to Mr. Bachman and C.C. to Ms. Moyston. Okay. Perfect. What do we do so? With that being said, is there any upcoming events that anyone wants to share? It just doesn't happen. No. Okay. Awesome. I'll take that as a consensus. Absolutely. We will email anything that needs to be emailed at this point. And I motion that the meeting is adjourned. It's not good. Bye, everyone. Thank you. Bye. Thank you, everybody. Bye. Thank you, everybody who came. Have a good night.


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Good, I guess late morning to you all my name is Dylan Horton. I'm the chair of the Davis Police Accountability Commission. I Thank you. I Thank you. I'm really glad that y'all took a little bit of time out of your beautiful Saturday to come out for this event that we've been in one way or the other engaged in for the past year since the murder of George Floyd last year The whole world and our own community has been engaged in this effort to figure out what we can do Locally, and I'm gonna ask Reverend Malone to come to the stage In a second because he's our first speaker But we've been trying to figure out what we can do here in Davis to meaningfully change our system of policing What we can do to get our public safety apparatus working to create public safety for all people in our community What y'all know because y'all are here at this event is that our system of public safety of Policing of prosecution our court system is broadly inadequate to the task of providing public safety to everybody It's you know really adequate to the task of providing public safety to the wealthy and the well connected but when you are a person of color when you are a Immigrant to this country when you come from not the dominant religious Background of this country when you are a person undergoing a mental health crisis a drug or alcohol issue if you are unhoused if you just happen to be a White person having none of those Demographic backgrounds, but just in the wrong place at the wrong time Your public safety your security and prosperity in this community can be harshly Impacted again by this system so broadly inadequate to the task of providing public safety to all residents So we're here today again in the continuation of a movement and an engagement that we've been in for the past year To demand that our city put their money where their mouth is on June 22nd or thereabouts give or take a day or two the Davis City Council will pass its budget for the next budget cycle What we have heard in a number of engagements at the December City Council meeting when we presented the Recommendations at the April 6th City Council meeting is verbal commitment light, I should say verbal commitment to supporting the nine recommendations that the police accountability Commission human relations Commission and social services Commission brought them in December but What we failed to see in this year-long process despite a number of opportunities is that that Inc get dried on the paper is that Support for these reforms brought into the tangible realm where we can see and be confident that it is real So high school and you went to the beside two parties. I didn't go Because I wanted to limit any chance at any kind of kind of interaction I could have with the police I didn't want to have anything to do with it So the reason why I'm telling you all this is because fast forward. I'm now 24 out of college I've done many things you know folks kind of need me from if you went to UC Davis from 040 a I play the men's soccer. I was a captain. We went to answer that. Well, we did many things So I was known as the big man on campus as a student athlete, right? So I kind of I was well knowing town as a student athlete Again, I need to smoke see don't drink, but I enjoyed dancing. I'm a very fun guy. So I'll go out You know city clubs in downtown Thank God for the entertainment Davis could be very boring So on one particular night you all know about Camarie Camarie was shut down before the unfortunate incident I I also encountered something that I couldn't believe But in retrospect it makes sense now The reason I'm telling you all this is because of the intersection between a systematic oppression broken system and The people that will that well aware of it and they're willing to milk the system So in this case, it's a business owner and the police BD and I happen to be You know that victim So the owner who I'm not sure why I'm gonna go get into didn't like me for some reason I'm inside the club, you know with my friends again I don't drink I don't smoke usually when there's any altercation guests was breaking it up Suley because I'm usually the only super one in the club like guys come on stop So I know I'm really I take pride in the mediator. I love being a mediator That's that's my role in life, which is one of these my way into mental health and being a counselor So I'm sitting there and all of a sudden there were four cops. They showed up like flashlight This is like 1 30 in the morning And you're like, whoa, what's wrong? Hey, who's silly? Who's silly? I'm thinking what would I do?  I spent literally working on being perfect Like didn't dream I best not breaking it was why did why do police want me?  No, you got to get out. I'm not moving. I didn't anything wrong. I came in here. I've been dancing. I'm sitting down So after about 30 minutes now my friends they can imagine me because I'm messing up the buzzed I'm mixing up their fun like silly. Come on.   I knew I didn't do anything wrong Meanwhile, everybody was thinking why what do you do these do something for somebody? So now my reputation now worked up for 14 years. It's now being inattentive So I went out I said, sorry the cop called me over the black one. I come over here What happened? What's going on? It goes well You're not told us that you were selling drugs inside inside this club I was like, what is that? Yeah, he told us I said, so you're doing action My bad man We just do what we were told So literally his excuse was they were they got a call that a black man was inside the club selling drugs and They ran over there and they kicked me out So what am I telling you story? So let's assume that you know for some reason I didn't work so hard on being almost perfect Maybe that night.    And the cops said get out and I stood there and I didn't move That's how someone hands up getting killed Hello, I'm really glad to see you all out Change doesn't come without individuals willing to put themselves on the line and willing to get out there and do the work And doing a rally like this is doing the work the march will be seen by a lot of people To introduce myself again, I'm Cynthia Rodriguez and I'm running for the yellow county district attorney's office and Thank you. We have a tough fight ahead of us But I think a lot of people have seen that we have not been getting the service out of our District attorney's office that we deserve I those who know me know that I spent almost a decade as the General counsel for the state department of mental health advising the governor's office legislature and All for all the mental health care that was given in the state and Mental health care used to have its own department when I started there it had a department of mental health With people specifically interested in that to deal with the problems of people who have mental health Now it has been combined most Medicare issues have been sent to health and human services Mental health only runs the state hospitals and the state hospitals are far over 95 Patients from the corrections and that is because there is no system that we use on a regular basis Except the criminal justice system to deal with people who have mental health crises that are become public And that is just the opposite of what ought to be happening mental health care crises are Intimate and private and ought to be cared for in the community every chance possible The community resources that we need To to be out there to be amongst the public to have counselors and responses and places for safety Those are now being once again diverted into the old systems that never worked Black lives matter No justice, no racism, we don't get it, and if we don't get it, and if we don't get it, and if we don't get it. Yeah, I mean, I think you just after an introduction like that, you have to acknowledge that you left, I left a lot of things undone. And I don't live all my life with regret, but there are things that I could have done pushed further on that I just maybe lacked the courage to do. And that's why I'm encouraged to see you all here, because I think this, I didn't see this five years ago. And so it does my heart good to see people coming out and really not just doing this, but actually doing the significant behind the scenes work. And so I appreciate everybody being here and trying to figure out ways to actually make this happen. Okay, so I just wanted to quickly remind everybody, you know, you've heard about the process with the temporary joint subcommittee and the report that took so, so long and with so much care from so many unpaid commissioners in the city who spent their time and effort really putting together this amazing document. And then it was presented to city council in December. And we were really hopeful that we would be heard, right? This wasn't something pithy. This was like 80 pages of really academic research with an eye towards what does Davis need specifically. And we waited from December to April to hear what city staff would do with that report, what they would do with those nine recommendations. And to remind everybody in April, they came back, they being city staff came back with a report that was written by the chief of police. Primarily, he's the first author he just named right on that document. And they said, well, we see your nine recommendations. And we offer you a list of what we are already doing and a list of some things that maybe wouldn't be too crazy. So we're going to do those. And that's actually what we're even grading city council on on this fire is this watered down document that does not address all of what we asked them to address. And even those watered down recommendations by our account, they are getting around a D plus average from those nine recommendations. So they really are not addressing the problems. They're not thinking, as Rob Davis said, in a transformative way about, you know, using leadership to transform the narrative to go beyond what chief Pytel is saying at any given second to what city staff wants us to believe is possible with the budget. They're not doing that. And they have a lot of nice words for them. I got to say, you know, I listened to that April 6 council meeting. And if you had asked me right after Mayor partita had spoken and given her speech, I would have said this is in the bag. They are going to make a new department. If you'd asked me after will Arnold spoke that night, I would have said, yes, that's two council members for a new department. And then when the Lucas spoke, I would have said, yes, that counts as well. But none of them decided to take a vote to take any action. All they did was say, I see what the police chief has written, and I like that. And we're going to vote on that.


Firstly, how frustrating is that after holding the lead for so long until late? Yes, a little bit frustrating, to be honest. Not frustrated that we conceded the goal, because I think probably on the second half performance Newcastle deserved something, because we didn't play to our levels, but it is a game when you get your nose in front, you should probably clearly hang on. It wasn't as if they burnt the goal. You know, it was a dubious penalty call. On the penalty, it was looked at closely? What are your thoughts on it? Well, I think whenever you ask a coach who's of the opposing team that is given against, he will say that he doesn't think it's a penalty, but what I say is, listen, if you're going to give that a penalty, the penalty in the first half is a penalty. It just seems to be too many times we get on the wrong end of calls. I think I've been in Australia for a year, I don't think I've had a penalty, which is amazing, and that was my frustration. I was frustrated for the boys because they put a lot of work in, and sometimes you've got to roll your sleeves up and fight and dig in, and they did that in the second half. Newcastle put us under pressure, especially in the first 15-20 minutes, and then the ref gives a call like that, and it wasn't probably any different from the decisions in the game, which clearly that's why you gave it. What do you make of the challenge? Was it just not enough contact for you? Well, I don't know. Because you, if you read the guidelines, and everyone loves textbooks or on the internet, and it has to be clear and obvious, or it needs to be directed by that, what that does is it allows everyone to just sit on the fence, and then you don't know whether to blame him, him or her, whoever it may be. And doing that creates a grey area, and I think that's the problem you have, not just here, but it seems to happen here in more, but in football in general, because you see decision after decision. So am I frustrated? Yeah, I'm frustrated for the guys in there because they put a lot of work in, but the inconsistency really, really bothers me. Yeah, let's have some other questions on the game. I'm just going to ask you about Tate Russell and his performance and his development by your thoughts on him. He's been excellent to take you to be fair from the first day I walked in. He needs to believe a little bit more. I think he now is getting to a stage where he does really, really well in certain aspects, and then sometimes he second guesses himself. Like the run, I think the run's an example of he wins a ball in transition, he drives forward 60, 70 yards, and he's in the box seat, and then he probably has a doubt in his mind before pulling the trigger, and that's the area that we can work on him with it. It's not going to happen overnight, but he's got tremendous power on his legs. He's a good kid. He wants to learn as well. So he performed very well again today, as he has done in the first three, four games. Vince? Thanks, Janne. Carl, can you explain this sort of rationale for the subs, light on tasks in particular, seem to be having a really good game? Yeah. Watch it, make that switch. He's just had an ankle issue as well, and because I had to use coxie in the first half because of the injury to Nikolai, and then I wanted to obviously bring Kouami on, I only had one window left, so it was a case of I wanted to get Brucie and Jordi on because I thought they had looked bright in training, and I didn't want to take the risk of, Tass asked him five minutes prior if his ankle, and he said he was okay, but he didn't convince me with his answer, so that's why I done it. Okay, and how's Nikolai? Yeah, a bit sore to be fair, a bit sore I think you saw in 20 minutes. Nikolai, it was great, he was enjoying his football, he was creating chances, and he was a big threat for us, so it was a big loss for us, but obviously then coxie came on and helped us get the first goal, but that's what happens, that's why you need squads. Yeah, and just overall in terms of the first half performance versus the second half, what happened there?  Yeah, no, that's not, I think that's fair, I think it's a fair assessment, I think the first half we were probably the better team, we deserved our goal, we probably should have scored a second just before halftime, which maybe would have put the game out of sight, but in this league, if you don't put teams away when you have the chances, you know, they always hang about and they always come back, so we didn't intentionally try and sit back, I think they had a little bit of momentum in the second half, they played a little bit of direct in certain aspects, regain control of the game for the first 15-20 minutes, then we sat back and we couldn't get ourselves out and we couldn't string enough passes together to then regain control, and then the transition moments happened, which we didn't execute on three or four chances we had, and it usually happens in football, sometimes there's a ricochet, a block, or a chance, and you know, Ziggy Gordon made an unbelievable block from Roy O'Donovan, which probably should be a goal, you know, and if Roy would have scored is, I think it's 51st goal or 50th goal or whatever, then I would have said, yeah, no problem, because I think they deserve a goal in the second half. Glenn? I'm okay, I'm good, thank you. Jimmy? Oh yeah, go Carl. May you obviously spend a lot of time with the majority of the general squad, I mean, did you see, have you seen a proven in their maiden? I guess I'll have to write them off, but I guess you know the character of the place. They're a good group of boys, I said that to you for the short time that I worked there, they're enjoyable to work with, they're good characters, you know, all they want is a little bit of guidance, and that's what I did when I was there, I gave them guidance and I built relationships with them, so didn't surprise me, it was a tough game today, they're a good team, the way they play, they got good leaders in their team, they got good players in their team, but so have we, which is why I think you saw a very entertaining first half that was very open, which is a good advert, second half, I said, I think they were there with a better team in the second half, and then they got their goal through a penalty. Can I have anything from you? One last one. Yeah, Carl, sorry, I was just going to ask, you must be pretty happy for Bernie Ibeni to get his first goal for the club. Yeah, I'm pleased for Bernie. Again, it's easy to throw people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones, and I say that with a big smile on my face, because people wanted to do that with Bernie, and I think it's unfortunate, it's modern society that we're living in at the moment, and unless you know the things, people are too judgmental and too quick to point fingers and make opinions of people, and Bernie is a great lad, he's a terrific player, he's a good character, and he's an honest boy, and I think the performance he put in today was fitting for Bernie, obviously it's nice to score against his old team, even though it was a short time, but if you put the work in, you get the rewards, so please for him that he gets his goal, he'll get him up and running, but not good for Bernie, he's a good lad. Dan, can I ask you about the decision to start Bernie and put Salt and Cox on the bench? Yeah, just a feeling I had, obviously Bernie playing against his old team, I just mentioned there that sometimes football works in weird ways like that, sometimes that you get a chance, or you try and silence your old team, especially because he got a bit of unfair criticism, so that was the feeling I had. Cox, he played the first four games and done very well, and I just thought his impact off the bench might allow him to get a chance or two, and it did, so it doesn't matter who I start or who I bring on, it's a squad game, it's a team game, and I want a more firing, so the one that gets on a run and scores a number of goals will probably be the main starter, but we've got three or four good options.