Hello, and welcome to the first discussion series of Buddha Nights. I am Onira Hashemi, playwright, actor, and director. In 2005, I co-founded Simor Film Association of Culture and Art in Herat, West of Afghanistan. March 11, 2013, I co-founded a night with Buddha Festival to commemorate the destruction of world cultural heritage, the Buddha statues of Bamiyan. The destruction of Buddha statues in 2001, which carried out in the continuation of decades of ethnic cleansing, with the aim of destroying the history of Hazara people, was beyond massacre. It was a cultural genocide. Twenty years later, after the destruction, even the remains, the empty niche of Buddha statues, are again in danger in Bamiyan. This year, we at Theatredoose, with collaboration of Safe Heaven, Freedom Talks, arranged a series of discussions to understand the different aspects of destruction of cultural heritage, destroying history, forced forgetting, social discrimination, and genocide against Hazara people. Unfortunately, we miss one of our guests, Sajad Asgari, and I hope that we can have him with us in the next session. But today, with us, we have Dr. Humeira Rezaie. She is the executive operation lead at MIRSIM and the chair of the Hazara Committee in the UK. Dr. Humeira advocates for the rights of Hazares in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Through her work, she has written several reports and parliamentary briefs on the Hazares, providing accurate information on what is really happening on the ground. Humeira was one of the organizers who called it the hashtag stop Hazara genocide campaign, which has increased the conversation on the persecution of Hazares in Afghanistan. This hashtag was trend many times, including yesterday in Twitter. This session, which will be moderated by Asad Buddha. Asad Buddha is a freelance writer. He studied sociology and Islamic theology, and he has worked as researcher and university lecturer in Kabul. He is the former icon guest writer in Karlstad. Det Otel Vendan de Ogat, a chapter of his personal memoir, was published in Varmeland Writers' Anthology. He has worked with Ritz Theater and Theater Deuce on a project called Little History, resulting in publishing a book under the title of Hoppet's Territorium. Southern Stars and Homo Saker and Foglana Polina Gatan are his last published texts in Ud Okbild and Govet Brevster Art Gallery. He is also involved in visual art, focusing on the demonization of political enemies and aesthetic aspect of extremist and religious violence. Thank you, dear Humaira, for being with us, and now I leave the platform for you and Asad. Thank you. Thank you, Amunira and Wilhelm, and Friedemtox, Theater Deuce, and Safehemen. Thank you, Humaira, for joining us in this meeting. Unfortunately, Ness Sajat, I hope he can join us during the meeting. So the title we are going to talk today is Unjust Narrative and the absent of a thousand people in the public discussion. So the idea is the discrimination, the social discrimination has a language aspect and it's come from the order of speech. And so first the discriminations started from a kind of narrative and then implemented into the people. So if we go back to the little background of this topic for a thousand people, so it started here at the end of 19th century. So it was the first time that the hazard people classified. So as a hazard, they reduced to the Shia because hazard are Shia, Sunni, Somali, so they are come from different region. But at the first time at the end of 19th century, during the Abdulrahman time, hazard people categorized and classified and reduced to Shia. So and then to create a kind of symbol to humiliate the hazard people and to justify the discrimination. They dehumanized hazard if we go back to the history during the Abdulrahman time. So when they are talking about the hazard people, they are talking as Yagi people, as a rebel, as an infidel people. And then best of this discussion, so on that time, the Abdulrahman government created a narrative to justify the killing of hazard people and pluralize the society. And then it's a very big genocide between 1892 and 1893. 62% of hazard people has been killed and 64% of hazard people are occupied and they miss their land, they first displaced and then so this discrimination continues. But what's happened after genocide? So and then this biggest genocide in the human history denied by government and by other people who committed the genocide. So no, we are going to talk about how this kind of narrative influenced the hazard people and how it's the kind of injustice and unjust narrative it influenced even hazard people life in today. So today's ago happened in one of dangerous suicide attacks in Kabul, in Dashti Bashti, but there is no discussion about that. So there is no media to cover that. So we are invited to talk about this topic. I'm welcoming Humaira. Thank you so much, Asad. Thank you for the organizing parties for this very timely and very important conversation they were having, especially what's happened this week, this targeted attacks against the Hazaras. As you rightly said, the unjust narrative is something not only led to the genocide of Hazaras, but actually led to the continuation of these genocides discrimination and oppression. And as we can see that evidence, especially the increase of violence that we see against the hazard community under the Taliban regime. And I think most often we undermine the power of unjust narrative. Because the unjust narrative not only is within the perpetrators community, but also it infiltrates into, in this case, the Hazara community. And a lot of times you mentioned that the Hazaras were divided and categorized as sheers and sheers and is used to justify their killing. And unfortunately, this narrative has infiltrated even the Hazara community in which they believe that the reason they're getting killed is because of their religious sect. We often forget that the campaign that the state of Afghanistan back in the 1700s had against the Hazaras was a lot of this. And I think it wasn't successful until when they said that Hazaras are sheers and sheers are infidels. And therefore, if you commit just jihad against the Hazaras or against the sheers, then it's all right and they allowed that. And this was something that led not only to not only the soldiers at that time, the trained soldiers who went on to fight against the Hazaras, but also normal people because of this narrative to say that Hazaras are infidels, Hazaras are kaffir that let normal people, normal civilians, taking up arms and fighting against the Hazaras. Yeah, so if we go back a little, so at the end of 19th century, the Afghanistan divided in three spaces. One is the Doral Islam, which was the the Treaty of Amir Abdul Rahman control, and the other was the Doral Ah, the Treaty of Contract, those who collaborate with Abdul Rahman and the third one was the Treaty of Infidels or Doral Kruful, which was defined. The Hazara people defined as infidel as the Treaty of Infidels, so and then on that time, the Hazara people reduced to the Shia to mobilize the other people to create a kind of religious discussion and it's continued years and years, more than one century. So still, when we think about that, do you think is it a change in this narrative or still we are at the same unjust narrative in Afghanistan about Hazara people? Unfortunately, we're still in the same unjust narrative, you know, and this narrative back in the days in 1800s, they used religious scholars to be able to portray this kind of messages. But with the advancement in technology now, they are using social media, they're using madrasas and to be able to continue with this unjust narrative to be able to continue with these propagandist against the Hazaras, so they can justify the killing of the Hazaras in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And of course, there has been many other ways in which this unjust narrative have been able to continue and one of the, I guess, very effective ways that they've done that is through academics, historians have used their rights as they've in their books, for example, they have the way in which they describe the Hazaras is absolutely wrong and this is done even to this day. The way that they describe Hazaras, the way that the dehumanized Hazaras in their books is why the continuation of these genocide is happening. Yeah, so the hate drive and ways to the Hazara people still continue very strongly, so so today also we have the same categorization for Hazara people, the same level, so if we go, for example, into the Afghan narratives, so categorizing Hazara as Afghan is also unjust because it is established in 1942, so before it was Hazara and Pashtim people and Tajik and other ethnicities and then so the Afghan imposed to Hazara people and other ethnicity in Afghanistan. So, and also when they are talking about Hazara people, they are dehumanized them, they dehumanized them. As a person, you are the person who engage a lot with Hazara issues, so how we can find this kind of narratives or this kind of image of Hazara nationally and internationally. Yeah, absolutely right. I think the word Afghan is very interchangeable with Pashtim, right, and and this identity was forced on the entire population of Afghanistan, but it is more painful for the Hazaras because this is the identity of the perpetrators, the identity of the people who committed genocide against the Hazaras who killed 62% of the Hazaras massacred people who enslaved the Hazaras for decades and continued the persecution of Hazaras and now we have to go with that identity, we have to call ourselves Afghan, if not then you are a traitor to the national unity and all of this again is, you know, this is one thing that for example in the past 20 years is the fact that many Hazaras then want to be identified by their own identity as a Hazara, which of course everything has the right to do that. There was a huge campaign against the Hazaras that there are traitors to Afghanistan because they don't want to be called Afghan, right, this itself is a narrative that was used against the Hazaras. And of course for the Hazaras, especially in the past 20 years we've seen how different they are to the rest of the Afghan population. And if you want to look back, I think it's important to give a bit of context here is that if you for example look back at how Hazaras used to live before the genocide, it is very different to how it is now. And there's specific book that I usually reference is Captain John Woods, in which a book that he published in the 1960s, he described the Hazaras very very different to how they are now. One of the things that he said was that gender equality was very much present within the Hazara society. He was saying that there are no difference between men and women in the Hazara society, and that women are no shy of strangers. And of course that is something that you don't see in the modern day Afghanistan because even within the Hazara community, because the colonization and this oppression and this genocide has led the entire Hazara society to completely change and during that time and after that time to adapt into this new culture, this new colonized way of living. And now when we look at the Afghanistan, we don't see gender equality, whereas 20 years before the Hazara genocide, we saw gender equality within the Hazara society. And now if you want to look at back in the past 20 years, we have seen Hazaras how they have gone back into those values that we've promoted education, we've promoted liberty. And now Hazaras are one of the most progressive ethnic group in Afghanistan, we prioritize education, we promote human rights, women's rights and we have social liberal values in which the extremist people in Afghanistan, these values are something that they stand against. And that is another factor in which we are being targeted in Afghanistan. And this is the most marginalized community there. And I think, you know, there's another aspect that I'd also like to touch on and I think you might be able to discuss this a little further is the use of Hazara women to demonize and dehumanize the Hazaras. If we, for example, speak to a lot of women who worked in Afghanistan in the past 20 years, you speak to them, the one thing they say is that the Hazara women are considered as loose women, right? And this is the image that they have given the Hazara woman, which puts the Hazara woman, which in a much higher risk of sexual violence, sexual harassment being discriminated against in work, not only in private sector, but also in government positions. And this is something that we unfortunately see and you asked earlier, you asked the question whether it has changed and unfortunately it hasn't. It may have even gone worse because now that you see a lot of women, Hazara women in society and taking up positions. It has led to more discrimination against the Hazaras because in a very conservative society in Afghanistan, the men doesn't believe that women to have this position and Hazara women spearheaded this change, spearheaded the civil development in Afghanistan. And it's something that puts Hazaras even at more risk of persecution in Afghanistan because these are the values in which, for example, Taliban stand against. And so, yeah. So, when this unjust narrative created, so Amir Abdu Rahman used the word of Roy Halli Nihayee, it is the exact translation of final solution which Nazism used for Jewish people. So, and then they created this kind of unjust narrative to justify the killing of Hazara people. So do you think in today, for example, when they are developing the hate speech against the Hazara people and use the same terms to, for example, Tajik, Tajikistan was back to Uzbekistan and Hazara to Pakistan. So is it, is it this same objective in today also for this kind of narrative? Oh, absolutely. I think, you know, the people back in the 90s when they slogan that they used to shout, Tajik, Tajikistan was back to Uzbekistan, Hazaras to Pakistan, which means graveyards. And also there are the other slogan was that Hazaras either convert to Sunnis or they die. So there was no other option for Hazaras. And even today with the current Taliban regime, one thing that we see is the use of extremist Sunni ideology being implemented in Afghanistan. Right. And they are saying that if you don't identify yourself as a Sunni Afghan, then you don't belong in Afghanistan. And this is the type of language that they use in Afghanistan. And of course, Hazaras, one majority of the Hazaras are not Sunni extremists. Most of us, we don't identify ourselves as Afghan because we're Hazaras. And that is something that, of course, that doesn't in sync with their ideology, with their narrative, and it just puts us in a huge risk. And this is very, very similar to what we saw back in the 1890s when the final solution for all the Hazaras and which has led to 62% of the Hazaras being massacred. And unfortunately, this is something that the international community have failed to recognize. And this is something that even in the past 20 years when the international community were present in Afghanistan is something that they did not recognize something that they did not work on, something that's one of the biggest mistakes with the international community was that they only dealt with the dominant group in Afghanistan, which are majority Pashtuns. And of course, we all know that the way in which the Pashtuns have always treated the Hazaras were, well, of course it's very evident. But of course, the other thing that happened in Afghanistan in the past 130 years is the suffering of Hazaras people were always hidden. The way in which the international community, even in the past 130 years, saw the Hazaras was from the very narrow narrative of Pashtuns. And Pashtun, of course, are the perpetrators who committed the genocide of committing the genocide right now and the oppressions and persecution of Hazaras. And so even with the presence of the international community in Afghanistan, the way in which the international or the rest of the world viewed the Hazaras was through this very narrative, very narrow narrative of Pashtuns. And even today, that's the same, we don't see any Hazara representation in international dialogue, international conversation in media or in the governments. And of course, even in the past 20 years, a lot of Hazaras that did occupy some of the positions, especially within the government were mainly a symbolic with no real power. And there is a report that was published by the US State Department in 2017 that actually looks into the situation of Hazaras in Afghanistan and they do say that there are things such as extortion, forced labor, which is a sign of slavery in Afghanistan and within the Hazara community still exists. And they also reiterate that a lot of position within the governments that are occupied by the Hazaras are mainly symbolic with no real power within Afghanistan. So even the people who work within the government with no real power were not able to be able to represent the Hazaras when they have no voice and no real power to be able to implement any changes. And therefore this narrative or the way in which the Hazara people were portrayed to the international community was again through this very narrow and very controlled narrative of the dominant group in Afghanistan. So I was still then so I had a research about forms of narratives in Afghanistan. So I, I read almost more maybe 1000 document and research about that so. So I couldn't find anything about Hazara people so they mostly from dominant perspective, or from minorities perspective, but there is also something about Hazara. There's some short report about Hazara people but in this report they tried in the narrative so they demonized the Hazara people and tried to draw as a kind of negative aspect of society. So, or negative aspect of narrative so they, so in today when we when we go to the social media when we maybe if we go back before Taliban to this 20 year which international community come to Afghanistan. So the narrative was the same. So the Afghan government classified Dashti Barchi as a kind of dangerous area, which was not really, because Dashti Barchi and West of Kabul was the only place for young people in Afghanistan. They go there to read poem to how literature activity, art activity and it was a very democratic space in compare of other. So how we, how we follow this in different form of narrative is it this kind of narrative influence in traditional narrative also. So, for example, do the, is it possible that for example international media or researcher from other countries to see to the other people from other perspective. Again, when, you know, going again going back 130 years, especially 20 years like I said, because the international community were dealing with the dominant group in Afghanistan. As you said, they were portraying the hazardous as specific image, and they had specific control narrative about the hazardous example you gave was that she was class classified as a dangerous place where in fact it was the most peaceful place with no internal conflict within the community where the most progressive people they produce the highest educated students with the highest number of students being able to attend university scholars right they have the best schools in Kabul is in Dashti Barchi and West of Kabul district. And these are the narrative in which the international community including journalists have access to. And yes, the use of social media in the past 20 years have been a huge, huge factor in these narratives that the international community have of the hazardous. But another thing that of course in the field of academic that a lot of academic national academics have access to and they know about the hazardous is through the academic books and the passions published in Afghanistan. We also have to remember that hazardous weren't allowed to be published any books for a very long time. And in which that the even any historians that published books about hazardous were also very, very controlled by the Afghan states. And there's for example Hassan Khokhar which is an Afghan historian. Still to this day publishes book in one of his book he, of course in most of his book he there's a lot of lies about hazardous and there's a lot of ways in which he was in this through this life is able to demonize and demonize hazardous. There's one specific example in which there has been to this day very shocking to me personally because I'm from. And in his book he describes there's specific ceremony in jahudi that is called Kubas ceremony in which the hasara in he claims that has our men are offered their woman to guests in this, in this district. And of course I'm from there I've been living there for three generations and this is something that is completely untrue and lie. And to say something like this and and and and relate this type of information to an extremist and conservative society. It is the most demonizing thing you can do to say that there is a society in Afghanistan there's a community in Afghanistan that offers their woman to their guests, right. And this is on academic level. This is the level of the humanization that happens on academic level in which then the international scholars scholars from around the world will then read this book and would think it's true. Right. And more importantly, this book is then distributed within the communities in Afghanistan. And this is the sort of image that they will have of jahudi when it's completely untrue. Again, because I have been from different three generations, and another lie that he says in his book is that the reason why there are some variety in hasara features of hasara who have bigger eyes or bigger nose is because those women have slept with Pashtun or again, another lie and something that if you are again this is something that then justifies the sexual violence against the hasara woman in Afghanistan because it's something that they can then justify and say oh you're used to it because this is how what you do and this is how you are right. And so if this is on academic level, the narrative and the image and the propaganda in which they portray not only to the hasara to the Afghan society, but also the international level. So imagine that the negative aspects of it imagine the influence they will have on people's minds. And of course if you go back to social media, they have utilized social media, very, very effectively in the way in which they are able to portray the hasara as an image to say how they are such for example yourself saying that Dashti Barchi is a dangerous place not to go. For example, another narrative that they pushed in which the international community believed was that when Alipur in Behesu took up arms and he wanted to defend the hasara people in Afghanistan from Kuchis and Taliban. He was an anti-Taliban. He was a resistant against the Taliban. The Afghan government then labeled him as a terrorist just so they can take dismantle his arm and leave hasara as completely armless and defenseless against the Taliban. And so again, the fact that the Afghan state for 130 years had access and control in which the certain information can be related and portrayed to the international community has had a huge role in which the hasara community, how has our community were portrayed not only within the Afghan society but also in the international community. Again, the Taliban are using utilising social media as well to portray their narrative against the hasaras to the international community. And of course the fact that the international community fails to engage with the hasaras also is a factor in which this effectiveness of these narratives are being implemented in people's minds plays a huge role. Thank you. One aspect of this unjust narrative is to limit hasara religiously to Shia and also to limit the hasara geographically in the centre of Afghanistan. So the aims of this narrative is to reduce hasara to religiously to Shia and to the centre of Afghanistan. What hasara people are a huge, a big society with different religious and in different part of Afghanistan in Badakhshan, Takhar, Badaqis, Hazarajat and also the historical base wasn't in Maidani war that it was in Nangarhar so it's best of historical document. So today I think it's the same narrative is continue to reduce the hasara people in the Shia people and ignore them and also to reduce the hasara people geographically in the centre of Afghanistan. So how we, for example, how we maybe demajoritise this kind of narrative and from which kind of perspective we can create a kind of justice narrative. Yeah, I absolutely right. I think one of the other aspect that of this minorising hasara we saw was when Rani, regarding the ID card then he produced or divided the hasara ethnic group in different, in at least 11 different sub ethnic groups within the hasara and the fact that there is no real census has been done in Afghanistan is a way to be able to control this because if they're able to conduct an actual census and be able to get accurate information and the population of Afghanistan, they will see that the hasaras are not a 9% that they claim to be, hasaras are estimated to be at least 30 to 35% of Afghanistan's population, and the fact that they are portraying or they are they have this narrative that hasara is a minority group is in a way subconsciously is trying to take this power away from the hasara community because if you're telling, if you continue to keep telling people that you're only a minority, you're a small percentage in Afghanistan, you'll start to believe that you actually have no power. And one of the reasons in which they have actively stopped census being conducted in Afghanistan is so they are able to ensure that hasaras will never be able to defend their confidence and the power to be able to defend themselves. And the reason in which they divided the hasaras into the ethnic hasaras into sub ethnic groups, again, is part of this division to be able to then categorize the hasaras as Sheikh Ali, even though Sheikh Ali or hasaras they after this division they published a statement to say that they are not a specific ethnic group they are hasaras from Sheikh Ali, Sheikh Ali is not, is not an ethnic group is a name of place right. So they have gone to that extent to be able to ensure that hasaras are seen as a minority is to be able to control the number of hasaras to be able to minoritize hasaras in Afghanistan. And I think one of the ways that we can try and at least start a just narrative is to ensure that hasaras are present in dialogues and conversations in all aspects in all policies within different governments is for the hasaras to engage the governments in these policies. I think it's been a little bit way too long for the hasaras to go unnoticed and their sufferings to go unnoticed, right, if they're able to kill hundreds of people within days, 250 hasaras died just within within three days in different attacks in Azar Sharif and out of this 126 were school children. And these are all acts of genocide in Afghanistan. And I think this is the time that the hasaras themselves are able to engage with the governments engage in the international community to be able to relay actual information of what is happening in the ground actual information of who the hasaras are. We have helped we supported the international community and their presence in Afghanistan in the past 20 years. You don't see a single shot being fired in against international community from a hasara populated area. We supported their value democracy value we were the ones who gave up our arms and we said we are with you and we supported them and therefore is their duty to be able to engage with the hasaras to be able to go unnoticed of their sufferings to be able to recognize the hasaras as a vulnerable and vulnerable group in Afghanistan is to recognize the hasara genocide in 1890s, 1990s, and to recognize that there's ongoing genocide against the hasaras in Afghanistan. And another way that I think is incredibly important is through media and social media. And of course in the past two days you've had the social media campaign south as our genocide. And this, you know, we saw actual changes being brought in this when we saw certain politicians who firstly denied that this was a targeted attacks against the hasaras and often engaging with them talking with them and raising awareness about the situation then they of course were then educated and they realized that actually this is not just a target or an attack on education but actually this was a target against the hasara community. And I think raising awareness being able to engage in different dialogues at different levels is incredibly important for the hasaras to to be able to to change this narrative. The demonization or the dehumanization of hasara people is very very powerful narrative even the school children and the hasara student they demonize so we remember that during the Ashraf Ghani and Hamid Karzai government it means the the student of hasara people demonized and they tried even to find a way that to create some obstacles and don't allow them to go to the university and then they started the experience hasara people experienced a huge suicide attack in their educational center in Afghanistan. If we if we think about genocide as a kind of circumstance as a kind of situation which which comes from unjust narrative what do you think is it are we in the same circumstance or is the situation is a genocide situation or not. It is a genocide situation and of course the unjust narrative has allowed this genocide to continue crime against humanity to continue its atrocities to continue against the hasaras. You mentioned that demonization of hasara students during Ghani government he put a quota on the number of students from hasaras that can attend universities because he saw that the majority of students for example in Kabul University were hasaras and he didn't like that if he then put a quota on the number of students to limit the number of hasara students are able to access higher education. And I think to this day is so I forgot your question. The question is, if we think about genocide as a kind of situation a process that's created kind of genocide situation. So it's of course it's come from a kind of narrative so first it should be started from a kind of justification and creating a kind of unjust narrative do you think the question is, are we still in the circumstance of genocide or is the hasara situation is a genocide situation. So and if it is a genocide situation and how we can advocate in for the hasara people and nationally and internationally. So what is the best way to maybe to stay against this kind of genocide process? It is a genocide taking place in Afghanistan if we look at the definition of genocide by you know it does fall on the genocide it is a target against the community for their ethnic identity. To be able to have a just narrative to be able to portray the actual information to be able to portray and relay true information of the situation of hasaras enough understand I think the international community can play a huge role. So one of the reasons in which the suffering of hasaras went unnoticed up until 2001 for examples because there was a huge control over how hasaras were able to interact with international community. Today we have a large hasara diaspora around the world who are scholars, researchers, expertise in different fields especially human rights law who have access to the international community and of course the international community it is their responsibility to be able to to stop this ongoing genocide against the hasaras and and I can't emphasize enough on the international community having a conversation with the hasaras themselves right. The, when the attack against the Abdul Rahim Shahid school happened the international community international media went on to say this was an attack against education. They did not recognize that this was an attack against the hasaras this is the first step is to ensure that will recognize these systematic attacks are against the hasaras is a clear evidence of genocide in Afghanistan. They then went on to speak with perpetrators who are anti hasaras from news interviews to the politicians and people who have real power. And then going and speaking with the actual perpetrators in Afghanistan with the dominant group was then to second their condolences to this those people who committed the crimes the people who had a huge role into the continuation and the oppression of hasaras in Afghanistan. This is, it's for me it's absolutely unbelievable for them to for these people with real powers who have access to the entire hasara diaspora community was to sit down, whether it's the politician whether it's the news anchors whether it's the media to sit down with perpetrators and talk about these attacks, it's absolutely disgusting and it is not acceptable at all right, it is real damaging for them not to be able to have the hasara voices in these platforms. It is incredibly important to ensure that hasara experience and hasara voices are represented in all platforms. They when they talk about issues regarding Afghanistan because hasara have specific problems in Afghanistan we have specific narratives we have specific experience that if they allow the hasaras to sit in these platforms to ensure that they are able to raise their voice we would be able to reduce these atrocities and a lot quicker and much more. Yeah, so you mean still hasara people are the target king and they are still in the situation of genocide and the unjust narrative is continuing very strongly. Absolutely, I think when we look at some of the press releases statements that was published about the attack against the say the Abdul Rahim Shahid school or the attack in Missouri Sherry this week and from UN to human rights watch to many other governments when we read their statement when we read their press releases, we don't see a single mention of the hasaras right and the fact that they don't recognize these these are systematic against against the hasaras is one of the main factors for the commission of this genocide and I think the only organization which I saw that they deliberately mentioned the hasaras was amnesty international and I think it's human rights watch UN's responsibility to recognize that this is systematic attack against the hasaras. I mean the UN when they first published their press release, they said that there's in this attacks in Kabul during the three attacks in Kabul they said that there was only six dead and 11 injured when in fact we know the number of dead has reached as much as 126 right and this is the same narrative in which the passions portrayed and that this is the exact figures that Pashtun had given to their press release to say that the number of casualties in these attacks was six dead and 11 injured. And so we can clearly see that the international community, especially the UN human rights watch are not conversing with the hasaras they're not recognizing this is these are systematic attacks or at least they're not publicly stating that these are systematic attacks against the hasaras and the moment you then hide that and the moment you sense the identity of the hasaras it empowers the perpetrators to continue to commit their atrocities against the hasaras because they know it is going unnoticed they know that all they see it as just a violence in Afghanistan and attack against education attack against most when it's clearly an attack against the hasara the hasara themselves. So they nearly cognize the hasara as a kind of target of genocide. So the genocide of hasara people nearly cognize and it's always refused and so they want to understand the evidence and not accept that they are living in this situation if I summarize this discussion so the unjust narrative in Afghanistan started from the end of 19th century with the biggest genocide of hasara people 62% of hasara people has been killed between 8092 and 8093 and this kind of discrimination continue in the form of unjust narrative or unjust narrative in different level during the afghan history so afghan history in itself is a kind of unjust narrative because it's reduced the identity of the multi-identity of people who are living in Afghanistan into one tribe into the other and then this kind of unjust narrative has a very different negative aspect and influence the life of people especially the hasara people so now when we talk about hasara people at the international level so there is not talking about them so it's just afghan history if there is talking they are just dehumanize and demonize and draw as a negative aspect of afghan history and it's also influenced very deeply the international narrative also because they are the official resource for researcher, for journalist, for those people who are working about Afghanistan so we can see this kind of unjust narrative in BBC very clearly in radio azadi in afghan national media very clearly and also in school text book in afghanistan so there is no talking about hasara people and also in in university text also so it has a huge and this kind of unjust narrative create a kind of situation that hasara people become the target killing in a situation of genocide and never recognize what's happening to them so still those people who have the control of narrative so they are refusing the hasara genocide do you have something to add? Thank you, thank you Asad. Yes, the last point I wanted to add is the importance of monitoring and documenting this situation, the trust has been committed and these attacks have been committed against the hasaras the human rights watch, human rights organization, they have a responsibility to document and report on these atrocities especially with the takeover of Afghanistan, the collapse of the civil society, lack of freedom of expression and the fact that the journalists are not allowed to report on any of these incidents I think the international community has a responsibility to be able to monitor the situation of hasaras in Afghanistan to document and report on these atrocities being committed and I think it's time that they recognize the genocide of hasaras in 1890s 1990s and to recognize that the ongoing hasara genocide is happening right now and last point I wanted to add is that there is a hasara inquiry which has been launched by British parliamentarians at the moment where we are looking into the situation of hasaras in Afghanistan and one of the main aim of this inquiry is to engage the UK government as well as the international actors on what they can do to safeguard the hasaras in Afghanistan and Pakistan and also the last message that I have is that the hasara genocide is still taking place in the shadow of the unjust narrative on a national and international level and I believe that freedom talks provide this opportunity to see Afghanistan from the perspective of the people who are subject to genocide for more than one century so I do from the bottom of my heart really thank you for everyone and individuals as well as the organizing party for this really wonderful and important program that you have organized so I think it's time to rethink about alternative narrative because if you want to stay against genocide first we need a kind of narrative, a multi-perspective narrative, focus on diversity and to accept different people in this society Thank you very much Hamaira for joining us into this meeting, unfortunately we miss Sajat Asgari so I hope we can have a discussion with him maybe in the future Thank you for Teotirdus, Freedom Talk and Safe Heaven and thank you for Munira Hoshimi for very good introduction So I hope that we as the diaspora find a connection with the country where we live to create a kind of alternative narrative and to stay against the unjust narrative Thank you very much Hamaira


Dylan this bullpen has been considered a strength all season long. What do you think of the effort today by the guy? You know tremendous effort Obviously, you know, we got some key out there hold their bases loaded jam got out of it You know, we've been trying to do our job all year, you know We just trying to do the best we can you know, hope the team win has to go mentioned Jonathan Holder What do you think of his development this year? He's been tremendous like tag green last year tag green came and I took Everybody up about a storm. Holder's been doing that this year. He's been tremendous for us all year Coming in and some situations and getting out of it today He got into one got out of it and help us win this game What do you like about this bullpen heading into the postseason? I think, you know, we got different weapons You know, we can come in early in the games or late in games and kind of shut it down And I give our office a chance to do what they do. So, you know, I like our chance When you talk about the offense, is there confidence that if you keep it close the offense will eventually come through? Yeah, definitely.   So that's all the matters How important is it for you guys to secure a home field advantage for that wild card game? I think it's huge. You know, we've seen what the fans brought the energy they brought last year You know home field advantage is key for us and we're gonna try to win as many games as we can so get that Thanks for joining me. I'll let you enjoy the rest of the celebration. All right. Thank you


Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Dashinger, and today's show is going to feature Sarah Breskman-Cosney, a master QHT practitioner and the author of the book, A Hypnotist's Journey from the Trail to the Star People. Dare to Dream with Debbie Dashinger won the COVR Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show. It is nominated by Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It is high ranking under self-improvement and Apple Podcasts nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards and for a Webby Award. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here and Access Consciousness. They do great energy work out into the world, and you can find out more at Dr. Dane here, H-E-E-R.com. I'm Debbie Dashinger. I'm a Media Visibility Specialist. I coach you how to write a book and take you from the inception, the idea of your book, to finished and published. I also have a company that takes an author's book to a guaranteed international best-selling status, and I do all the heavy lifting for the author. Finally, I teach you how to be interviewed on radio and podcast, and how to get massive results, so you can be your own publicist, because I also do that work. It's time for all you spiritual messengers to learn how to do that yourself. You came here with a beautiful message and a light to be shown. I love to teach you. I've got some free gifts for you. Go to debbie-shinger.com slash gift, and you can learn how to become way more visible than you are right now. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. Today's show, my guest is Sarah Breschman-Cosme, the best-selling author of A Hypnotist's Journey to Atlantis, A Hypnotist's Journey to the Secrets of the Sphinx, and A Hypnotist's Journey from the Trail to the Star People. Sarah is a master hypnotist, a level three practitioner of Dolores Cannon's Q-H-H-T, also a student of Brian Weiss. With a passion to reveal hidden or undiscovered knowledge vital to the enlightenment of humanity, Sarah won the 2023 Dolores Cannon Award and continues to speak about her work worldwide. Sarah's work is now featured internationally on places such as Fade to Black with Jimmy Church, Coast to Coast AM, and Gaia TV. If you would like to learn more about her, go to theholistichypnotist.com. And with that, I welcome Sarah to the Dare to Dream show. It's so great to have you back. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.  Like you have Dolores or somebody looking after you who sees the importance of your work. I do, because I've been watching your star rising and rising. It is so lovely. Like you're so deserving of it. And congrats on your latest book, the journey of the trail to the star people. So how for you was putting this book together, writing the book and getting it out into the world? How has it changed you? How was it challenged? Well, the thing is, so many people tell me that the book has helped them so much. But the thing is that I don't feel as if I really wrote the book. When you read the book, you see I'm not really the writer. I'm just the facilitator. And I know all these amazing things are happening for me, but there's nothing really special about me. I'm literally just a messenger. And it feels like people or higher level beings use my clients when they're deep under hypnosis as sort of like a radio. And they come through with all this amazing, profound, life-changing information. And it's so important for me to share it, they say, because people are looking for this information. So that's why I'm so passionate about sharing it. But I mean, my life is so different now. All the belief systems that I used to have now because I do this work almost every day. I mean, I just feel like if people even knew maybe a quarter or even less than that of the information that I receive on a daily basis, I bet they would be so much less worried about things, less stressed out. I bet they would even learn how they could actually take control of their lives and heal themselves. So, I mean, I feel really lucky that I have access to this information on a daily basis because I bring my clients deep under hypnosis and the goal of these sessions is to access their higher self. And when I do that, I can find out anything. And it's always so exciting for me, what am I going to find out next? What do they wanna share with me next? Because they are the ones that are writing these books. It's not me as much credit as I'd love to take for the books. It's not me, it's this higher consciousness that ultimately has an agenda. So it's really changed my life to just be a part of this experience, even though I feel as if I'm just sort of on a ride with them. And just like the facilitator, it's just such an exciting, an exciting experience to be speaking all over the world and invited to come on all these shows and just be able to share this information in order to help people, it's really exciting. Oh, it's muted. We have some work going on here also. So I'm just muting. Yeah, I wanna follow the thread of something you said that I found very interesting and exciting, which was if only people knew what I heard, they'd be so much less anxious, so much less worried. So what don't we know? Oh my gosh. Yeah, just give us a few tips that would be really surprising to learn that we're just unconscious about. Well, one thing that is so shocking and surprising is so many of my clients under hypnosis will remember that they were actually helped by a being that wasn't physical. Like I can't tell, maybe everyone has at least one experience and they don't even realize this. One of my clients was walking through a forest, got lost and happened to come across a stranger that led them out.  Someone will be in the hospital. All of a sudden this doctor comes in, knows how to perform this specialized surgery that one day and no one can find access to him after that. People have no idea just how much help they have on the other side that can actually manifest them physically. And one time even I had a client who was trying to escape from these men that were chasing her. All of a sudden she felt sleepy. The next thing she knew, she was back on a road driving home, totally safe. And when she was under hypnosis, she realized that her team put her to sleep, moved her car to a safe location. I mean, that's when it's not your time to go, it's not your time to go. And we have so much help and we're here for very specific reasons. Also, not just that, we really are here on a really important mission. We are like this huge experiment, so to speak. Like really you can't do anything wrong, not to get too deep too fast, but you can't screw it up. You're learning, everybody else is learning from you. You have a part of you that's never fully physically incarnated. There's a part of you that's always on the other side. So many times when my clients are deep under hypnosis, they realize that they are still with their loved ones who have passed away, they never really leave them. You are sort of like creating this reality through the filters of your own belief system in mind. You literally have that much power to create anything that you want, although manifestation might take a little while. Whatever you want is also searching for you, so to speak. I mean, these are just some of the things that I've learned. I mean, just I guess the most important thing is just that you can't do this wrong.  You don't have to do anything and you will have a perfect experience. Just that experience alone will be enough to teach you so many things. I mean, you have so many countless times to come and keep experiencing different realms, different lifetimes, whatever. You just really can't get this wrong. There's no like time limit. It's not like time's up, you know? You have so many chances. I feel myself calming down when I hear you say that. That's wonderful. There's nothing needed. And I also really relate to you about this duality that you're living, which is part scribe and part voice to the masses. So one aspect of you is the conduit through which these clients and incredible beings can come through so you can start telling stories. Yes, and then the other part of you is the visible one, is the one that is getting up and traveling the world and doing sacred retreats and going to all these conferences and TV shows and so forth. And it's very interesting to walk that path, but it's very needed. I think it's very needed to be that person to create a bridge for these messages. So... It's so fun. It really is. It's like a great experience for me, not only to learn all these things, but to be able to share it because a lot of people couldn't share these things back in the day, it was too unacceptable. And now we've hit a point where things are becoming acceptable. So it's a really exciting time. 100%. I've been having so many conversations with people recently, really detailed about extraterrestrials and when they're actually coming, open contact and so forth. And I was just speaking to Lee Carroll cry on the other day and he said, Debbie, 30 years ago, we couldn't have had this conversation and it's really true. It's amazing. So here we are. And I wanna dive a bit into a little bit of a trailer for your book, if you will. And your book promo starts with this quote, they call me Anowaya, the voice said through less. I am the one who contacted you. I've been watching you because you needed to gain our trust first. You have proven yourself ready. And so now I'm ready. I'm ready to tell our story. So Sarah, who is Anowaya? And what is the story that they needed to tell? Anowaya was a Cherokee native American who walked the trail of tears or the forced relocation of the native Americans in the southeastern hemisphere. And Anowaya, when he said that, what was happening was, I had scheduled a hypnosis session with a woman named Les. So Les is like a 30 year old Caucasian woman, very like friendly, bubbly. And we decided to do a session because of some random experiment that I was doing. I was trying to use this extraterrestrial manifestation technique that they had been telling one of my clients about. So I really wanted to try to do this. What they were telling my client was to focus on a really strong positive emotion. And whenever a human experiences a really positive emotion, it automatically opens up portals.  So I was like, I tried it. So I wanted to try it. So I just focused on gratitude because that's the easiest way to feel really good. And then I imagined the portal and then I said to the universe, okay, I want my next subject because I'm so excited to see what the universe is going to share with me next. What are you guys gonna share with me next? And that's when my phone pinged and it was this woman named Les. And she said she had this weird feeling to reach out to me at that very moment. But I knew as soon as she said that, there's no coincidences. So I put her deep under hypnosis. She agreed to try and see what happens, have a session with me. She had no idea what was going to happen. I put her deep under hypnosis and that's when right away, Anawaya came through her. Kind of like using her as a radio. So he was able to, what he said, and he claimed to be very much alive. He claimed that he was a parallel version of her but he had perfected this type of meditation through multiple lifetimes. And what he would do is he would make himself very still and focus his consciousness into a future version of himself where he could share information like a phone call through her to me. It was really wild because he kept like, I felt like he was like my best friend at the end of the putting this book together. But he had said that he had been watching me which made me a little nervous. Apparently I did something right. I wasn't sure, but it was really honestly just a little bit shocking and very exciting at the same time. Because I knew that I had whatever next story they wanted to send me. Well, I wanna, for anyone who doesn't know this part of history, I think it's very important. It's certainly very heartbreaking but there is something called the Trail of Tears in the United States history. And it was literally an ethnic cleansing. It was this forced displacement of at least 60,000 people between the 1830s and the 1950s. And this was by the United States government by the way. So what happened was white people wanted to make their fortunes by growing cotton. And so they resorted to violence.  There was mass murder. They squatted on land that didn't even belong to them. And so at the beginning of the 1830s about 125,000 Native Americans who lived on these acres of land in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, Florida, land that their ancestors had occupied and cultivated for generations. Well, by the end of this Trail of Tears there was very little, if any natives who still live there. And basically the white people had taken over it. The federal government had forced them to leave their homelands and to walk hundreds of miles to a place designated called Indian Territory across the Mississippi River. And it was deadly. It was difficult because they were often walking in snow and terrible conditions. So how did Sarah, how did Anawaya describe this Trail of Tears? Was he actually on it? Was his family on it? Yes, he shared and it was so difficult to listen to. In the beginning it was just so hard. I have never cried during a session. I can hold myself together, but I couldn't keep it together.  It was genocide. It was so terrible. And so he said it was really important that he shares his firsthand perspective of what it was like to walk. And the very first death that he described was so shocking to him and then everybody else that he was with that it was just like they couldn't, they couldn't even believe it in the beginning. And then it just got worse and worse and worse. But the reason why Anawaya wanted to share this information was there were a lot of reasons. But one was because he kept saying that there's so many of us that carry this trauma with us. And it doesn't matter what color your skin is right now because so many people have this trauma and they're reincarnated. They know they've been on, they know they have connections to this in whatever ways that they do. And there's so much trauma to account for that this was one way that he thought would be best to release this trauma because when I asked him, and it was so interesting to me. So I started to get a little angry, honestly, learning about what the white man did. And when I asked him, why did the white man do this? What happened? Like why did the white man do this? His answer was really surprising to me. He said, they understood, not all of them, they never said it was okay, but they understood that it wasn't the white man they were fighting. And he said, and it was so interesting. He said the white man was some of the earliest victims of this negative energy that asserted itself to the planet. And they knew that they had, they had understandings of this. They were very connected with the star people and they understood that the white man were some of the earliest victims of this negative energy.  It wasn't like they forgot. It was stolen from them so long ago and they forgot that they even had a culture but they used to be pagans.  They used to understand the power of nature and magic and the other realms but it was taken from them so long ago that they don't even have a culture. So in a way I said many of them understood that they were not fighting the white man. And it kind of brought things sort of into perspective to me to really see why, one of the reasons why I wanted to share this was that we are all in this together. And what he said was that if you look at the sacred symbols, and again, he never said, this is okay but if you look at the sacred symbols the four corner symbol in Hawaii was saying represented the symbol that we all spread out in order to eventually circle back and come back together back to one meeting point where we would have gained so much about our separation and about ourselves when we finally come back together. And he said, that's what we are eventually doing. We are in alignment with this coming back of sorts is coming back together so that we all had to kind of like separate ourselves do all kinds of crazy things. Then when we come back, we come back greater because we have so much more awareness in this coming back. And that's what we're basically doing. We're reuniting with our soul family, so to speak and understanding that we really are all in this together. You mentioned so less this client who has this motivation to pick up the phone and call you, how was she with all of this when she started to learn what was coming out of her? How did she feel? Did it change her? Less was a little, well less was shocked in the beginning because she wasn't really expecting this to happen but she knew that she had on her mom's side of the family she had some Cherokee in her. So she was very interested to understand more about her history or family's history. She was very much removed from that information. She didn't grow up knowing about it. So she was very curious, but she also had this experience where I could tell and I love it when my clients are coming out of a session because she had this feeling or this look about her where she kind of knew that she was so much greater than the surface level person that you call less. Like there are so many more aspects to her and all she did was go into herself and look into herself and there's like a world in there. How many sessions did you do with her? A lot. We worked on this project a lot. Probably like close to 20 to make sure and why I didn't have anything else he wanted to say because I wanted to make sure I got his story correctly. And there were times when I was doing some things wrong and I was working actually all kinds of weird phenomenon was happening when I was working on this book. But I was working with my mom. I would send her like what I would transcribe and she would look over it and then send it back to me. If I missed a part or if I didn't transcribe something like it would erase, I'd have to go do it again and then all kinds of weird things all kinds of weird things were happening. When I was working on the trail part that was the hardest part. I was just trying to, because I don't get one of those transcribing apps. I want to hear what the person said. So I was transcribing word for word what Anahuaia said about the trail. And I noticed that like my eyelashes were wet on the left side. I thought this is so weird. So I went outside to walk my dog and still they were like wet, like runny. And I looked in the mirror and I had a trail of tears going down my face. I mean, weird, weird things like that. So I knew I was being watched and I knew I was being helped basically. But I also did not want to get it wrong. 100%. Yes, I mean, it's a big honor but it's a big responsibility that you're telling somebody's story from history, right? That they trust, they've been watching you enough to trust you to come through and that they know you're going to do a good job. So yes, it's, I understand. I would find jobs easy. I basically just transcribe it, but I never, sometimes I don't know where, what part goes with what, you know? So that's, you know, all I have to do really. It's easy. That's what it's all about. Was it Anahuaia who actually brought up star people to you? Cause I'd love to explore that a little bit. I know that for sure. I know that since the beginning of indigenous people and shamanism actually started 2.6 million years ago. I mean, right? This is Paleolithic times. So what did you learn about this, certainly for the Cherokees or for any of the Native Americans that you learned about? Well, it was interesting because Anahuaia was recounting his life and he started from the beginning and he told me about when, after his family was murdered, he went into the forest and then eventually went into a different tribe and he met this woman that he completely fell ahead of her heels with. He was so in love with her. It was so cute. But the way we got into the whole star people conversation was that he told me that he was surprised that she knew the same stories that he knew because they were so far away from each other. Although some of their stories were a little different and some of their traditions were a little bit different, but he thought it was really interesting that she knew a lot of the same like origin stories, a lot of the same star people stories that he did and he had never met another tribe when he was growing up. So he didn't know how did they have access to the same information? And it was really interesting when he was describing how they would communicate with them, they would kind of use their drums and create this kind of like a meditation. And so basically they will clear their mind. And that's something I hear all the time by the higher selves. If you want to really, if you do want more contact to learn how to clear your mind because the communication is telepathic. So they will clear their mind in this way and with the drumming and everything. And then the images or the beings would actually show up in their mind's eye and they would all see the same beings. But the more they would focus on it, it wasn't just in their mind's eye, they would see them physically and they would all describe like the same beings and they would get a lot of help from the star people. They knew a lot about the star people. And so it was really just interesting what a connection they had and all the stories and they understood so much about the star people and they had such a presence in their life. So they knew that they were the ones that actually gave them certain things and they knew that they had given them corn and then they had different stories for the different beings. But it really appeared that most of them, many of them had a lot of contact with the Pleiadians. It really is and Syrians, but most a lot of Pleiadians. But what I found so fascinating was when I was working on my Atlantis book and my Lemuria book, a hypnotist's journey to Atlantis, I had my client while she was deep under hypnosis see the symbol of Lemuria. Now Lemuria was a beautiful like kind of tribal society, very compassionate in the South Pacific. And that's a lot, that's very far from the United States or where Anaya was located. But I had her draw the symbol and it was a four-corner symbol. And I never thought, I never thought anything of it. So when I was working on this book, I started to understand, well, through these clients and through Anaya and through many other clients, that this symbol, the four-corner symbol came from the Pleiadian, Pleiades. It came from the Pleiades, went to Lemuria and then was a symbol in the Native American culture because a lot of the Native Americans and many other indigenous cultures were survivors from Lemuria. And so they took this and it was almost like a trail of this star knowledge and star symbolism and information into their culture. So it's really interesting that it was all a clue in order to put our origins together. But you describe when you say four-corner, what does that look like? Oh, okay. A circle and then a cross in it. So that's what- And is this often what has the different animals in the corners or because I've seen them with symbols? Well, that one is the medicine wheel, I believe. But what I'm talking about is a circle and then there's a line and then another line. This is the symbol that Jen drew when she was drawing the symbol for Lemuria. It was just a very simple symbol, but it had a lot of meaning. And some of the meanings that the star people put in these sacred symbols are to get us to just look at them and it downloads information because these sacred symbols are not just symbols at all. They're actually like keys, they're coded information. So it's like a key that goes into a lock when you look at, say like a crop circle or like the flower of life pattern, it unlocks information within your mind and all you have to do is look at it. And a lot of this information will go straight into your subconscious. So when you're doing a session, you can pull it out almost like a hard drive. But it was really interesting that these, Native Americans from Lemuria came into the Americas and I thought that's pretty far away. Why the Americas? Well, a lot of them went to Mount Shasta. That was a big place that a lot of survivors from Lemuria went because it took them two months by their boats to get to Mount Shasta. And they had already been trying to colonize those areas so they knew of this place, but they didn't go into the mountain right away. They eventually did explore and find this mountain, but when they went into the mountain, they remember finding this like room of calm energy. And basically in Mount Shasta, what makes it so unique why a lot of people are drawn to it is because their civilizations leave an imprint and many people have memories of living inside that mountain, believe it or not. Definitely. And all you have to do is go to Mount Shasta and you can regain part of your divine essence, but what was interesting was these people traveled all over when they were surviving, when they had survived Lemuria and Atlantis, but I found it really interesting that they found their way into the Native American culture and a lot of them had memories and information from Lemuria. Wow, what an incredible cycle that is cycle upon cycle upon cycle of places and beings and destruction and karma and all of that amazing, amazing that you're weaving this together like you are. And so we're right here with you, Anowaya, his family is killed, he goes into the forest, he finds this other tribe, they accept him, he falls madly in love with somebody. While they're having their conversation, they discover, wow, this is very interesting, but we have same experiences with star beings, Platans, Syrians and others. And then comes this cross symbol, so very interesting. What happens to Anowaya after this? Does he flourish? And he never went by names, like he never called these places like Atlantis, Lemuria. And when he was referring to them, he would call them the lands before and then he would like work with Lesa's vocabulary. So it took a little while, but if we found out which ones it was and same with star people, they always called them star people or the seven sisters, he would call the Pleiades the Seven Sisters. After he fell madly in love with this woman, then he went to England. So he was to sign a treaty there and his memories was really like disgusting, what it smelled like and it was really interesting. And then- What was that, wait, what England smelled like was horrifying to him? Yeah, he just couldn't believe that people would dump their bathwater. He was mostly shocked and he said, thank goodness he was used to a canoe because he had to go in a big boat. But he said he was mostly shocked that people didn't understand the use of the land. Like he didn't know and it was so surprising for him. He didn't know why anyone would put a barrier between themselves and the earth, like roads or anything, where you don't step directly on the earth. He didn't understand that and he didn't understand why people would ever not want to use trade, because they were asking for money at places like this. So they really, it was interesting to go through his memories of this as well. And I won't give it away, his cute little love story, so in love with her. But what was interesting was when they finally got to their new lands, everything that these people had told them about, they lost most of their people by the time that they did finally get to these lands. They were not fertile lands at all. They had been told they were going to get to fertile lands. The water made them sick because they weren't used to the water. And so they were in a lot of pain and a lot of them were having stomach pain. So they would drown themselves with alcohol so that they didn't feel the pain. And the people in the neighboring towns, some of them felt bad for them. Others were kind of prejudiced. And so some of them developed a really unhealthy relationship with alcohol because it was so disappointing. But they worked their way to kind of deal with it. And then another thing that was interesting is you never think about what it's like to be a survivor. When you survive something or you experience something like this, there's a time where you have to integrate it and you don't really know how to do that at first. So they really were in shock for a while when they first arrived on this land and they were trying to find like a good source of water, try to acclimate themselves to it and rebuild from basically nothing. They had nothing. So it was interesting, but ultimately when Anowaya ended his life, he had, he's always such a positive guy, such a positive person that he gained a lot. But what was interesting too was that Les, when she was younger, and Les told me this after our first session, she said that it was so strange because she had an imaginary friend named Anowaya when she was like a baby. And you know what I found out that a lot of imaginary friends are actually past life versions of ourselves or like other high level conscious beings. Like- That's a very common story for children who say, yeah, when I was young, I had a playmate that I saw all the time. Right. I never conceived that there was a connection there. She said his name was, she couldn't believe it. She was like, I had an imaginary friend. Well, if she didn't remember what he looked like, she was pretty young, but she thought, wow, that wasn't an imaginary friend, now was it? So we searched for Anowaya. It took us a while to try to find him because with the documentation, it was hard. But what really gave it away, Les did a genealogy, tried to find out more about her roots. And it turns out that Anowaya actually is related to her. Was her like, I don't know how many greats, great, great, great, great grandfather somehow. So when she found out a little more about her roots, what happened was the way we really found him was Anowaya had drawn a picture of him with memory.  And Anowaya also knew the chief named Black Fox. So we were trying to look around that time period. And we could find Black Fox. He was the first person that we found. And then we were trying to find any records of Anowaya. And it all matched up when we finally found him. So he was a real person, but his name was changed. It wasn't Anowaya. You won't really find his name as Anowaya. His name was changed to Chief Billy Justice because it was easier for the white man to say. So Les is drawing scenes, these pictures of scenes and of people that she's describing. And you're verifying these pictures that were depicted. And even with the name change, you were able factually to find Anowaya. Yeah, we could find him factually. It took a while, but we found him. Pretty sure, pretty sure. You know, it's always a possibility. It's not him, but I really do think it is him with everything lining up even down to the fact that his name was changed. And he came from, you know, the Cherokee tribe and it's related to Les. Like a really distant, distant great-grandfather. What do you mean? It's a wonder, doesn't it?  You know, are you? Because he quite possibly could be. Isn't that a weird thought to think? Maybe I am my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather or mother. Well, as long as they were fabulous, I'm really happy. I don't need a relative or an ancestor who is suffering that, you know, I'm coming back. But yeah, that's incredibly powerful. I'm sure this woman's life is changed. How beautiful she's only 30 to have something remarkable like this happen. Actually, she did... She goes to orchestra. Orchestra. Yeah, actually she did have a lot of healing. And so when we first met, she was suffering from a lot of kidney conditions and those cleared up during the sessions because she was holding a lot of anger in her kidneys that she wasn't even aware of. It was subconscious anger. A lot of that had to do with Aniwaya's memories of this one man who just treated him so badly that Aniwaya kept this anger towards this one man, even though he really, really tried to forgive this one man who just like really had it out for Aniwaya. Like because Aniwaya said he understood, Aniwaya understood this man and he called him the man with a mustache, Saul himself in Aniwaya. And so they were so similar. Both of their families had been... I don't know if the man with a mustache family was murdered too, but they both lost their family at early ages. They're both right around the same age. They had like similar, like just things about them were similar. So Aniwaya said he could tell that man with a mustache just saw himself in him and he just couldn't handle it. He just had to target Aniwaya.  So it's interesting, do we hold like genetic ancestral trauma that we aren't even aware of? Like how much of our trauma is in our subconscious that when you become aware of it, you can release, you know? Absolutely. I think that's why ancestral trauma work is so huge. And I think that's why, I know I've done tons of it myself. And every time I'm working with a healer and this comes up, they always give me the idea that my ancestors are surrounding me like, thank you, thank you for doing this work. Thanks for taking this on, clearing, cleaning, clearing, cleaning. And then even going forward, whatever of myself I leave, you know, the better gets taken forward for all our lives, for our bloodlines and lineage and all of it. It's super important because much like what you said, you know, these things leave an imprint. It leaves imprints on places, on other people, on ourselves and so it's really beautiful to heal this. I wanna ask you in the book, there's this quote and I wanna ask you what it means and you've all forgotten that you incarnated to fulfill a long ago promise made to yourself the promise of liberation. What was meant by that? Oh my gosh. So apparently we've all promised ourselves that we would come in to really fully liberate ourselves, to become free of the shackles that we have put on ourselves, to kind of go through this great awakening process. It's almost like we are in alignment right now and we've all promised ourselves this alignment. We've all promised ourselves this golden age that we've all like put these crazy shackles on ourselves. We've all gone through these horrific experiences but now we're really ready to throw them away and walk into this golden age. Everything is in alignment with this awakening of our consciousness. This is foretold in so many ancient cultures, this cycle that we do over and over again and now we're coming back into this golden age where we overthrow our oppressors but ultimately when humanity overthrows their oppressors they're really overthrowing an aspect of themselves that was oppressing themselves. It's all very like, it's all connected. So as we do the inner work on ourselves it reflects in our outer reality and we really are entering this time where we really become liberated and we owe it to ourselves. You remind me of two things. The first is Puma Freddy. Puma Freddy is a very famous worldwide renowned shaman was on this show and he told a story when he was younger his grandfather Don Máximo, they're from Peru from an old Inca ancestry tribe. And he felt so much anger towards the conquistadors that the Spaniards could have done this to his people. Same basically ethnic cleansing. And his grandfather said, come grandson let me take you on a little journey. And they had these ways of time traveling and doing things in other realms and dimensions extraordinary. And so his grandfather took him back in time to actually see the Spaniards, see the conquistadors and what Puma Freddy saw was himself as a conquistador.  It ameliorated, it was done and it was gone and neutralized and he came back a healed man, very peaceful realizing I am that, I am that I am everything, truly I am everything.  But I also my heart, my healed heart loves the idea of leveling the playing field that we are all rather we are not separate. And I think this is a very powerful notion to understand and karmically how we can heal in the next life in the next life. I really do believe, just what you said I really do believe so. I think it is so healing. And I think it's healing for people when they really can put themselves into the shoes of others and understand where they're coming from like what happened to that man when he saw that he was them. Because really we are all one and we all play different roles. And even the people that are the meanest to you you'd be surprised they have a role of being mean to you so that it forces growth in some other way. There's a reason for it because we are in this dualistic realm we need that in order to grow. It is interesting because a lot of these more really advanced beings that come through my clients. When I ask who's the most advanced being in the universe because I've asked that. You know what they say? The awakened human. And so it's really, yeah like Shiva. Like because what they say is unlike any other being in the universe the human potential is actually unlimited. So those make them the biggest not only the biggest threat but the most if you wanna say advanced but the most powerful because they have unlimited potential. There is no limit. It's only the limits that they put on themselves. So it's really interesting that we have access to this like each person has access to this unlimited potential but we have no idea like how to use it doesn't feel that way.  But it's like learning to understand yourself better and learning to understand that you are source itself which is basically the understanding that we are all doing as a collective because the more we understand just how powerful and how much we are actually sourced the more we start to raise our consciousness because other advanced beings like even beings from the Pleiades when I've asked them, okay so how did you guys all collectively, you know advance yourself? They said as a collective and it took them a millennia but as a collective they came to fully understand that they were sourced. So we're still working this out we're still like low down on our belief system basically that's the secret if you can collectively understand that you are source or God, whatever you wanna call it the more you start to advance and the more you as a collective will experience, you know higher levels of vibration and higher levels of mastery basically. Wow, wow. That's sort of throwing down the gauntlets of humanity to up level a little bit. I love this, you know it's all at your fingertips. I wanna mention you and I a little plug for both of us we're both speaking at the UFology World Congress event December 1st through 3rd we'll both be in Mexico City very excited about that. And I'm speaking about UFOs and shamans so you know you are this whole conversation for me is so timely because I just have felt this calling about this subject and that there's a very strong connection that the native and when I say shamans I am including Native Americans I'm including the shamans in Siberia all over the world China, Japan, et cetera that these very dismissed people actually have always known they have known about the connection to the earth, to the sacred mountains the Apus, to the sky to the animals, the spirits the ancestors, the star beings they are the ones we ultimately really wanna become because in becoming more like them we are healing like I feel a very strong sense of being an ambassador for this message and information right now so I'm so grateful for your portion in this so just speak to that first well it's so important that work that you're doing because as the consciousness of you know as our consciousness humanity's consciousness is rising and you can see it with our level of awareness and understanding so is the consciousness of the earth the consciousness of the earth is getting stronger and stronger and stronger and humanity for a majority of humanity there's a disconnect we don't know how to use not only the subtle layers of energy we don't know how to communicate with nature where we're like indigenous cultures and we'll tell you that you have to develop a relationship with nature around you and that relationship is important and as we really go into this more of a golden age or just you know even step take the first couple steps into this golden age a lot of the old program is going to start to recede and then everyone will be searching for the ancient ways they're going to be trying to revert back to them and many people are not going to know what the ancient ways are so people like you that are bringing that information out you know people like Anowaya or you know all these people that are bringing that information out that information will be very needed because everyone's going to need the ancient ways what are the ancient ways we're going to need them because the time will be ripe to use them again yes and what's beautiful about I don't know all the ancient ways I know the practices I know that are shamanic but I can say and even before I studied I worked with a shaman who of course you know no accident as you like to say lives in my town from Karol and I worked with her for eight months and she would always say before the beginning of the session this is going to seem so easy but it is very powerful and she was exactly correct it was this gentle always a gentle experience profound in results so I feel like that's what you're saying these ancient practices are so important they teach us all the things you just mentioned and then also the inner work right the healing with the inner work you have to develop relationship with all these aspects plus ourselves to truly feel yeah totally and it's funny because I really wanted to be in the know I wanted the latest you know the best energy device you know because there's so many on the market so I've asked the higher self I want to know the best because I'm going to go out and buy it and they said oh well you know if you look at the most effective energy device that will really help you it's putting your bare feet on the earth ah that's beautiful I was so upset it's like I wanted to pay for it or something you know but they said 15 minutes a day will change any person's life so it's like 15 minutes a day that's it that's it that's the best device Sarah I do it every single morning every morning I get up and at some point maybe before after coffee but I get out there and I put my feet in the grass I sit in a chair with my feet in the grass and I do a whole shamanic practice and this this grounding work is amazing I have a real relationship like a real moving loving relationship with Mother Earth and before I did this I would have never even understood those words they would have been I would have gotten it like a metaphysician but not in the position I'm in but she is so powerful and so resilient and she's gonna be okay no matter what we do but she's waiting for us to catch up and I love what you're saying I love that you received that information it's true you can put your feet on the ground envision roots growing out deeply into the earth you know I ask her questions I tell her things that are going on I let you know I feel like it's symbiotic the feeding if you will the energy that goes back and forth and I always say you're the greatest mother who ever lived and I'm so grateful you're my mother I'm so lucky to have this experience it's very healing oh that's so beautiful I mean there's a lot of light frequency hitting the planet right now and not only can you absorb that higher light frequency that's pumping through the inner earth plane but also just by you know doing that beautiful practice that you do but receiving some light codes through your unfiltered eyes because I never knew that this was an issue for people until I had a client that couldn't lose weight because their higher self said they don't go outside without their contacts I didn't know that that was important the higher self said that it really helps to get a little bit like a little bit of unfiltered light because what happens is there's a portal within our sun and right now it's the there's high frequency light being broadcast through the portal the sun it goes through our unfiltered eyes into our pineal gland and then it's like downloading information into us so there's all these beautiful practices that are natural but even like that beautiful practice that you do when you really connect with the earth if you've done that for a little while you notice that things start to grow in your area that are cures if you're ever sick like and it'll be totally relevant to you because it's like kind of reciprocating in your relationship with it so the earth will respond by not only sending you information through animals that you might see while you're doing that beautiful grounding process but also you might even have weeds that will actually if you google them be remedies to whatever kind of issue you have in your body oh that's so interesting I'm actually going to do that we have this great thing this is my iPhone right we so we have these iPhones you can actually take a picture now and click on info and it will tell you the plant or the tree or I'm going to try it on weeds and see if it gives us the genus of weed and the information that is so cool I didn't know that yeah once you develop that relationship like you're doing then the relation then the environment that you're in responds and it develops a relationship back so Sarah what are you going to be talking about what can we look forward to at the ufology world congress event for your presentation so I have my first book a hypnotist's journey to atlantis in Spanish and I'm going to be presenting about whether or not you my presentation is called do you remember atlantis so I'm going to talk a lot about atlantis and lemuria and see if some of these slides that I have and these memories that people have can possibly trigger people's memories themselves and see if they also notice little telltale signs or clues that they do have memories and what they can do about it 13 questions yes sorry go ahead oh no and I'll be with you a conscious life expo also which I'm so excited I'm going to go deeper into this topic with anawaya and talk a lot about this book a hypnotist's journey from the trail to the star people and I'm going to go really deep into a lot of the information from the star people and then the indigenous cultures wisdom well that's wonderful because I know in your book and where can people buy it so you can buy it off my website at the holistic hypnotist.com or go to amazon it's on amazon and audible all three books are on audible as well all your books are there I know it got amazing reviews people wrote like really great reviews which is exciting and so again you're referring at conscious life expo in February you're going to be going deeper into anawaya and I just want to say because it's like cliffhanger stuff he talks about lighting these secret of the ancients he talks about powerful willingness to survive wow yes and shocking history of our planet origins of us all from the stars and I think that's going to be an amazing presentation like a great time to be presenting this what's next for you Sarah like you have let me start with this because you and I follow each other I know you were just in Egypt are these retreats these sacred experiences what's up for you how is that going how is Egypt how is that when I went to Egypt a while ago for the first time in 2018 and I thought you know this is a fantastic trip but I really wanted to go deeper into my own feelings when I was there I wanted to really experience these places and like get chance to meditate in these places well throughout the years and through you know writing my different books I've learned a lot about Egypt and so what people don't understand is that each person holds their own key to unlocking the information in Egypt it's not something else when you go to Egypt you'll see signs and symbols everywhere and they're pointing you in some direction but you know what they're pointing to they're pointing to you and they'll show you different signs like you can access it you know through this pineal gland they're talking about you you are the key when you go to Egypt you are the key and the different different sacred sites there are light codes that emanate up off about a foot and a half off the ground and they work with your own crown chakra and your pineal gland and so you are the key when you go to different places you get information that is important for you so part of the things that I do when I do take a tour to Egypt is I allow people to have this time the sacred time for themselves and I run I not only share what I've learned in these places but I let them do deep meditations in these places so they can get the information and the healing for themselves and of course I've asked so many higher selves what are the best things to do in these different places because I want to do the best I want to access stop and so I've learned over the years what to do in these different places so I do two tours a year but they sell out very fast we're about to open the one for September probably like the beginning of November whatever we'll open that tour and because my sessions book up so fast I started hosting these workshops and those are amazing so I have like three-day workshops where people can come and they do past life regressions and deep inner healing meditations and then these people have become like a family with one another some even moved in and started living together so it's really an amazing experience to facilitate I'm almost done my fourth book which I don't really people ask me how do I write these books well you have to understand I'm described so my job is really easy I mean and why I wrote his book in less than a year and I'm a busy mom of three so there's no way I could write a book like that so I'm just literally described just transcribing it basically almost done the fourth book and that should be out and like probably a few months I don't know when this comes out but I'm speaking at disclosure fest stairway to the stars November 10th and I'm going to be doing a live regression in front of the whole audience there I'm going to put someone deep under hypnosis access their higher consciousness once I gain access I'll open it up to the audience for questions so they can ask whatever they want wow so whoa that's a lot predicated on the fact that this is going to work do you know who the person's going to be who you're going to put under oh yeah I've already put her under so I know she's you know she's a good client okay this is going to be videotaped I hope that's phenomenal it is yes it's all videotaped and I'll be speaking also about what I've learned through so many extraterrestrials that have told me about how we can become superhuman I love that oh my god that's a future conversation extraterrestrials and superhumans done girl I'd like to talk about that please so thank you those are a lot of dreams I'm clearly you're still massively daring to dream and allowing your excitement to just pull you forward into these amazing projects and thank you for the gorgeous work you do and all your books and I can't wait to see you in December me too this is going to be so fun I can't wait thank you so much thank you for all you do too my pleasure and congrats on the new book folks if you'd like to find out more about her go to theholistichypnotist.com and you can get Sarah's books and find her events and her sessions there and I end today's show 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