Yeah, but important things. So we should be. attendees I'll jump them in. My view host to. Your co-host already. I ever saw us as someone whoops. Yeah, that's a Chris Hayward. He's going to be joining us. Great. I meant to promote it to panelists, but. It's like we got. Close to four of us. Committee. Sarah is here and Brit are here. You can start here. Ellen's here. Yeah. So we have a quorum. Okay. So just to let everybody know that we are live and recording. The February published HV committee meeting. And this will be available. To view. On the town website. As a Friday. So. So. It's when they download all the. Videos. Sarah, can you. Start your screen if possible. That'd be great. If not, we can move ahead. Somebody. Ellen, do you have the agenda? Do we need to, do we need to have it up the whole time? It just, that makes seeing each other. More. Okay. So we'll ignore that. Sure. Okay. There's one person who. A couple of people who are. Here, but not showing. Dorothy Pam, Sarah Lawler and. Rebecca. Hope I pronounced that right. Sorry. Okay. So. Minute approval. Great. Yeah. I thought they looked great. And Sarah. I wasn't at the January. So I'll abstain. Okay. Yeah, let's find me. All right. So let's approve them. Pending. I think that'd be fine since Bennett took them. That should be fine. Bennett's not here. So. Eleanor Britt. Do you want to be secretary tonight? I can do it. Great. Thanks. All right. Welcome everyone. We have some guests. We usually start off with the guests. But we're going to have to make it. They don't have to wait necessarily. So Chris. You want to unmute and tell us. Hi, how are you? Good. Thanks for letting me pop into your meeting. I've known Alan for quite a number of years being part of the mass tree wards and forest association. I'm the former tree warden for the town of Watertown and the city of Quincy. And recently went to the dark side. And I've been there for eight months. I've been trying to change their ways. It's been fun. I've been there about eight months. And one of my jobs is project services. So. I'm, and I work for the trans. Transmission end of the job. So you have a large transmission right of way in your backyard. That extends from Wendell down to, and I'll have to look this up again. Wendell down to. Damn. That's a lot of work. So. And. We're going through a meeper process right now. And just, I'm starting to. I'm also doing this in the same time. I'm doing one over in Lanesboro and. And Dalton in that part of the state. So I'm trying to get out and just meet the public and just try to get some feedback on what public concerns are. Obviously people want reliable electricity. healthy trees as well. So I know that I'm not really on your agenda tonight, but I just wanna introduce myself because I'm gonna be getting out in your world, you're part of the world and love to have some allies, love to have some conversation with people just so that I can relay this back to MEPA that we are talking with people, we definitely care, we definitely know how important the trees are, but we have to try to find a way to get electricity and trees to kind of work together. So that's really what I'm here for, just to introduce myself and hope that I can rely on some of you and maybe point me in the right places to talk to the right people, the people that have the most concerns, especially. Thanks, Henry, you're muted. I just wanna thank Chris for, this is kind of last minute thing, we can invite Chris back for the next hearing, we can get it on the agenda. He also had discussed doing some sort of pop-up days where he comes into the community and is there to answer questions and things like that. So we hope to invite Chris back next month if possible to go into more detail or to at least let everyone know when the pop-up is gonna be so people can ask questions and find out what's going on. So thanks, Chris for coming. Hey, thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you so much. We have had concerns with every source before, but Alan's usually had a good relationship with the person who had your job before and we usually worked out pretty well. Just to clarify, so he's talking about the transmission line. So this is not the distribution lines on the street. So this is kind of a new position in every source and they're just kind of trying to get ahead of the game and let it inform people what's going on. So they will be working on those high tension lines that deliver lots of power to lots of people. Which we, as tree warden, I don't have jurisdiction over those trees unless they're next to the street where the lines cross the streets. And the Shaysha committee doesn't necessarily, it's not in your purview to oversee that area, but I thought it'd be a good opportunity, a good venue to begin the process of letting the public know what's going on. So thank you. Go right to the people that care the most. Britt? Yeah, thanks, Chris for being here.  And one question I would have in the future is just like what you see as the major touchpoints with trees in the work that every source is doing with these power lines, right? Like I don't have a sense of whether or not like new areas are being cleared as the power lines are being redone or what the key issues are that would threaten trees potentially. So just hearing a little bit about that, learning more would be helpful. And again, you don't have to answer that now, but at some point when you have more time or we have that opportunity, it would be great to hear. Well, I'll certainly have a presentation prepared. I can go through a PowerPoint presentation. We could talk all about it. We're still in the developing kind of phase with this work right now. We're in the Meepa phase. The town of Amherst has been communicated with. We're gonna be coming before the conservation commission which that will be a chore in itself just because there are a lot of wetland areas that we'll be working around. So I'll definitely have something prepared. Hopefully I'll be available for your next month's meeting and I'll have some prepared. But if not, I'll find a way to make sure that I can speak with anyone in the area that wants to talk with me. Thank you. Sure. Thanks, Dorothy. I don't know if this is appropriate now, but we at the town council, and I don't know transmission lines above, underground. When talking about pole placement, we have been asking can those wires go underground? And so I thought it would just be a nice time to ask whether that is a possible direction for every source or whether there are reasons where you don't wanna consider that at all because that would be really great for trees and also to protect from storms. Certainly, from my perspective, I don't really deal with the pole placement. That would be more engineering and operations. So I don't really have any kind of real say there. What I can tell you, and Alan could probably back me up on this, is putting wires underground creates the same kind of problems for trees as we do pruning up top because we're cutting roots and we could even do more damage to them. So you really have to know where you're placing these poles, you know where you're gonna place these wires, do some prep in advance, root pruning, all types of different things. So it's hard either way. Utilities and trees don't necessarily want to coexist together the very best way. So right tree in the right place. Okay, thank you so much. Sure. Anyone else have questions or comments for Chris? Oh, Julian, go ahead. Hi, thank you. My question is like, how is the pruning done on the, forgive me for what they're called, not the transmission lines, but the other type of line. Like, is it done via just trimming it as you would a normal tree? Or do you have like, I've seen in videos and stuff where they take a helicopter and trim along the side of the wires. Is there any difference on how that impacts the trees or that type of thing? Well, I can tell you that when we're using a helicopter, we're not gonna get the fine cuts that we'd like. Yeah. We're looking more, those, that's more for side maintenance trimming. And that is more for those wires are getting very close to a very powerful wire. Those trees are getting very close to a very powerful wire that would not be safe to put a man next to. So we have a helicopter that goes down and they have a blade that comes down along the side just cut along the edges. So they're not the best cuts for sure. And I'd never stand up and say it, that's the way we should be cutting trees. Unfortunately, without removing an entire tree, and we're trying to save as many trees as we possibly can, but make them safe as well. So it is transmission. You would say this, you weren't thinking of the transmission, but I'm on the transmission side. When we go and prune along the streets, that's called distribution. And that's where men are in bucket trucks in some cases climbing. And they can do a little bit better of a job. When we're out in the wild, the rights of way, especially out in Western Mass, where it's a little bit more rural, it's tough to get in vehicles. So we have helicopters come in. Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. Yep. All right. I don't see any other hands or comments. So thank you, Chris. Thank you very much for your time. I'll be in touch. Good. I'm gonna have you back. Don't mind. Thank you. Okay. Let's guess Dorothy would you like to introduce yourself? And I think Bennett asked you to come. He did. He's away on a family trip right now. So he's not here. Well, Dorothy Pam, I live on Amity where your committee has been planting some new trees the last couple of years. And I'm a member of the town council and I'm dedicated to trees and saving as much. And this is Alan's phrase, our urban forest, okay? And I feel this is really challenging right now, extremely challenging. Bennett had asked me if there was a possibility of the town council or the town getting a line for trees in the budget. And I wanted to find out some more from you what exactly you had in mind but my off the top of the head thoughts are that's going to be very difficult right now in this particular season when the budget is challenged and we're in a time of transition. I would think that for the near future there's got to be some more of that special government ARPA money which I know is not, you want to have something you can plan on something that is not just up to getting grants but I think that for the near future trying to get some of that money which some of it sounds like it's kind of loose and one could work at it. I agree that there should be a budget for maintenance not just planting new trees which you've been doing from a grant but much more money for maintenance whether that's using our present town workers or hiring and outside, contracting outside to come to do it to keep the trees in shape. For example, the trees I'm thinking of are on private property but there's a whole bunch of these thin pines between my property and the next property and I've been here for 12 years maybe 10, maybe 15 have blown over in that time because they are just unwieldy they were allowed to grow too tall with just a little bit of stuff at the top and they should not have been they should have been pruned but it wasn't done by the people that were here and I'm sure that that's true for many of our town trees that if there is this proactive pruning that you'd have a longer life and it would be better so that's what I would like to try to help you and work with this to see if we can get a line in the budget I just think that right now the budget seems to be quite stretched and there is this money that's still kind of floating out there so I'd love to hear your response to whether you think that you can get some more of that so thank you. Go ahead, Britt. Yeah, I would just say that it's kind of disheartening to hear and thank you for being here I appreciate it but it's a little bit disheartening to hear that trees are not seen as a priority in that they are so closely tied up with many of the goals that town is working toward related to climate change and equity and having a livable town or livable city and the urban canopy, the value of an urban canopy to a community is very great not just from an ecological standpoint but of course when we're thinking about how people benefit from cleaner air, shade, reducing urban heat island impacts, green spaces and so on so it's a little bit disheartening to hear that trees are not really recognized for that potential role when the budgetary ask would be relatively minimal from the standpoint of looking at the entire town budget but I understand it's complicated I would just suggest that perhaps the council and decision makers could think more broadly about the value of tree cover. Thank you. Oh, let me turn this there's something out here. Okay, if you would write up a request of that type I would certainly be proud to try to present it. It's in direct conflict with another goal of the council which I'm against, okay? Which is the increased density particularly of our center residential neighborhoods there is just a huge push to replace our trees, our yards, our gardens with more and more building we're right now, we're just getting geared up to deal with the plan right in the heart of our neighborhood which would have three more dwellings in the backyard with a parking lot for 20 cars, okay? So, adding all this impermeable stuff, it's a battle, it's a battle and trees are very, very important and I tell you in my district, we love our trees and we will fight for them but there's been a lot of trees cut down in my area on the residential area of this year different reasons for, there is reasons why trees have to be cut down sometimes but one of the major reasons is really they want more density and development so that's the challenge but I think linking it to the climate change plans is totally the way to go because that is something that town is trying hard on and is proud of and if they're not gonna put the tree part in there then it's not a good plan, it's not a good plan. So. Yeah, and I would be happy to write something up I'm sure other members of the committee would be happy to do that if it would help get things get the conversation started with the council and take it in a positive direction. I would also just suggest that density and tree coverage don't necessarily have to be pitted against each other and in fact, I will just mention I teach an environmental conservation at UMass I was teaching a class today about environmental education and I was reviewing the numbers in Massachusetts of residents that have access to what would be called a green space or the percentage of residents that are so-called nature deprived and in Massachusetts I think it's 94% of white residents have access to green spaces and access to nature and 14% of communities of color have access to green spaces and access to nature and so it is a major equity issue and I would suggest that in this town we have those same issues that exist across the state and so again, I don't think it's density or trees it has to be in some cases density and trees and there are lots of complicating factors there so I will stop talking but I wanted to say that. Thank you. So our purview is really street trees we've expanded our role to educate people about the value of trees we're talking about a significant tree ordinance and other ways to protect trees that aren't just in the public rights of way but a budget line item in this regard would be to plant trees within or to maintain trees within the public rights of way and that's something that, yeah, Britt mentioned it'd be a small percentage I understand the taxes are going up when we need the school in the library and everything it's kind of hard to ask but the amount we're asking for as a percentage of those projects is just minuscule. So can we attend a town council meeting and make a presentation or should we just give you something to present? Well, I will speak to Lynn about that and say that we want to put it on the agenda and then I get back to you. Okay, thank you. All right, I will definitely do. Sarah. Hello. I have, I guess, maybe two points. I wanted to second what Britt was saying about having it be, you know, pro density and pro trees, right? And that deals with the equity issue that Britt was talking about but it also offers the opportunity in places like Amherst that have a decent amount of existing urban canopy to preserve large areas of trees in certain areas. So like the best way in urban planning to go about densifying is to concentrate it in certain areas like downtown because then you balance that by preserving wilderness areas, areas with large contiguous trees and setting that aside specifically for conservation land so that you have areas that are more forested and that can be publicly accessible too. But there has to be a way to definitely include trees in those developed urban areas. So I think that there's a way that we can navigate this as a community to include trees in our downtown but also to concentrate our development there so we don't end up with sprawl that ends up reducing large contiguous areas of trees. So I just wanted to second that. I think it's really important that we be really smart in planning for the future in terms of trees which have a longer lifespan than most people do. And then to that point, I wanted to know if there was any subcommittees maybe in town council that we should connect with who are kind of working on those development plans, the people who, the bid maybe or any other groups that you think that we should connect with to that end of advocating for trees both in large areas that can be put aside for conservation and then also in our developed areas to make sure that we have trees throughout town and access for underprivileged communities. Well, I would say that we have a problem now with some of our zoning in that many of the projects that we have okayed in the last several years have not had access to even around the site decent green space. I would say where is there a place for someone for two chairs to be for someone who lives in that building to sit down and talk with someone and there is not that space being provided. So it's, I gotta tell you, I totally agree but it's very frustrating. It's very frustrating. And so I think that zoning has to deal with it. I mean, one of the things that, okay, the archipelago buildings on the West East side of North Pleasant have not provided any reasonable green space for their residents or for residents and town people. And the answer I've gotten is, oh, well, we redid the park. And I, you know, the town paid for that park, for the public. And I now see it as being used as a private entity, profit-making entity, not to provide something that they should have on their own property. So we are doing a great job in trying to, and I will tell you that I've, some of my friends are very annoyed with me. I voted to remove parking on the North Common because I really am a traditionalist in some ways. And I want a New England Common to be a Common and not a parking lot, even though I like that convenience of the present parking lot. So the town's plan is really good on redoing the Common. But every group of housing should have some place someone could sit or stand outside on their quote-unquote own property or the property of the building they rent in. And that is not being provided at this time. So I just wanted to point out. So I regard it as a real battle, a real battle. So you think it's the zoning board that's someone that we could try to collaborate with? The zoning board I think should recognize that every property or building must have some green space and not just say, well, it's two blocks away. We have wonderful conservation lands in this town. If you have a car or you're a good bicycle rider, you can get access to nature, okay? But that doesn't mean that everybody does. So the hikers and the bikers, we've got really wonderful green space. But green space, which is outside your door for the person who's working and very busy and just wants to just be outside for a little bit, that is what is not being included in many of the new buildings that are being done. So I think planning board and zoning are important on this. Because yes, they are working on density, but density with green. They did draw some plans not too long ago, but then they disappeared. So they need support. The zoning department needs support from the public, from your committee to understand that this is necessary. And it is part of the overall climate goals of the town which are being taken seriously. They are being taken seriously. Yeah, I think this is an important thing we have in the past approached and met with the zoning board of appeals and with the planning board. And I think it's time to redo that as well as send something to the town council. So they're trying to make a zoning, there's a zoning change in the scope to remove most of the new buildings in the residential areas and to clear them by right and take them out of the hands of the zoning board of appeals. Now, if you have attended any of the zoning board of appeals on the new townhouses on the Lincoln Fearing, I'm Sunset Fearing, you will know that the zoning board of appeals did a great job with the help of community people in increasing the green space and the private and public space for the community. For example, even replacing a swale for some water thing and doing it underground and putting a little playground on it. And so there was a lot of good work done by the zoning board of appeals, but the new zoning measure, which is being proposed by committee, CRC right now is really reducing the role of the zoning board of appeals and reducing the role of the planning board and making more development just by right. So that I think works against some of the things you were talking about. Yeah, sometimes I'll just add my thoughts here. What I often struggle with is you'll have a developer come to the zoning board with a proposal and they might wanna remove this tree or not add such green space or whatever in their original proposal. And what we really need is to be able to work with the zoning board and work with the residents in the area and work with the developer to say, hey, you have a 100 unit project here. Why can't you make this a 95 unit project and save these two trees and add some green space for some of your residents? That doesn't feel like too big of an ask for me, but sometimes I guess I struggle with is that our role as a committee or not? Because to some extent, our role is just around the tree, not around their project. However, if they were to remove a certain amount of units, they could accommodate to keep the tree, so. I totally agree, but take a look at one of the latest archipelago ones. They cut back the sidewalk. I went and measured it. I didn't write it down, but I think it was like, you couldn't pass with a stroller. Two people with strollers could not pass each other. So there's certainly no room for a street tree. I mean, if you build so close up to the edge, then there's not only are you impinging not doing much trees on your own property, but you're making it hard for the town to put trees on there too. So I think pushback, Julian, I think you're totally right. Pushback, if we are too accepting, too polite, then people will do what they can do. If I can get 100 units, I'm gonna go for 100 units if I'm a businessman, which I'm not, but we have seen in the ZBA, the developers pulling back a little bit in ways that didn't hurt the developer and moving more towards the quality of life of the tenants. And I think that's really kind of important. Also to create community, if you can't gather outside around your property in some green space, how are you going to have good relationships and community, which is a very big topic right now because we're coming out of COVID and a lot of people are much more isolated than they were before. So I think it's doubly important. Yeah, I would just chime in. I know we probably need to move on, but I think those changes, let's say, the example Julian gave of reducing 100 units to 95 to accommodate these green spaces or additional tree plantings, that will never happen without a requirement, right? And so, if the town is able to impose these requirements and various committees that share these common interests are able to articulate the value of green space, the value of trees to community, to these larger points that the town is trying to move forward on around climate inequity and community and development all at once. I think it could be interesting to bring together some of these committees, some of these entities in town that share these interests and try to figure out how to articulate a coordinated case to make perhaps some zoning requirements for green space, for new development. And I think using the equity word is helpful. There are some people on the council who feel that some of the older residential neighborhoods are bastion of white supremacy and just have no interest in it. So I think that if you think there are many neighborhoods in town which have a mixture including the neighborhood around the downtown and it is an equity matter, you know? So I think you're framing it very well and I'd love to see your proposal. So that's really how I wind it up for me. Thank you. I just wanna add, Henry, I just wanna let the committee talk. I didn't wanna pipe in. Thank you Dorothy for coming and talking to everybody. I appreciate that, it's great. We are working on a new management plan or enforcement management plan for the town which will include trying to encompass all the planning regulations and things out there that are currently impacting decisions around trees, you know, the solar, the requirement for parking it has to be paved or some kind of firm surface which has resulted in a lot of trees being cut down just for parking to improve parking. So hopefully in the next four months or so I can get a good draft to send out for people to review. Great, thank you. All right, Rebecca, would you like to say anything? Are you just observing?  Oh, you should be allowed to talk, but I'll try it again. Hi. Hi, we heard you now. Sorry, I think there was a mishap with the panelists' conditions, you know, permissions but I just wanna say hello. It's nice to see what this group is about. I just wanted to see what you guys do and yeah, it's been cool so far. Yeah, nothing really of import except to say hello and I'm happy to be here. Thanks for attending. What's that, Helen? I said thanks for attending. Yeah, thanks for attending. And we meet every month and starting in April we do tree planting and tree care work every second Saturday of the month. So if you can put your email address in the chat or if you get our emails already then you're on all this, but I can make sure you get updates on what happens for the next bunch of months. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I think the chat is disabled at least on my end, but I don't appreciate it. There is no chat. We have a chat, but I guess that's just for members. All right, our email address is, what is it? Anyone know our email address? ShaneTreyCMT at gmail.com. Thank you, Julian. So send us an email, we'll put you on the list and make sure you get the information that's happening. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Okay, now to the agenda hours. Let's do hours first. We approve the minutes. Sarah, I didn't get hours for you last month either, so could you go first? Yeah. Four. Does Rae know she's being recorded? No, she's blissfully unaware. Oh no, hours or? I would say, oh yeah, Sarah said four. Okay. Are you just soliciting general input of hours? Okay, I would say seven after all the Mary Maple with distribution stuff. Okay, Ellen? I think just two. Two. Julian? Probably 10. And I'll say seven for me. All right, and we'll find out from, I know Bennett put out the newsletter, but I don't know what else. So I'll find those out. Okay, so next on the agenda is the chair's report. Locations is one thing we're going to talk about later, so I'll skip that for now. I want us to talk about planting trees as a committee rather than having Alan do that, especially for individual trees that don't meet up for a monthly plant. So we can talk about that if we have time today or put that on the agenda next month. I want to remind everyone, Arbor Day is the 28th and the Sustainability Festival is the Saturday before that, which I don't know the date, 22nd maybe. I think it's the 22nd of April. But keep those on your calendar and we need to be planning for the Sustainability Festival. 22nd. 22nd, thank you. The display, we have the signs. Alan, I think you ordered some trees or are going to- These links, we're going to get some seedlings. Yeah. Have we chosen the variety? No, that's what I wanted to discuss this evening. Okay, we'll do that a little later. And then I'm going through some health things and may not be around much this spring. I should be around the next through April, but after that, I'm not sure. So I may have to miss a few months. We need to think about who might be the temporary chair. And if Julian can do that or if someone else wants to take some responsibility, but we need people to step up in general. Also, I don't know how many more years the town council will permit me to be on the tree committee. I was bumped off once. So we need to be aware of that. So start thinking about ways that each of you can take more responsibility with the committee and how we can keep the committee moving ahead and doing the big stuff that we want to do. If you do have to be out for health issues either at plantings or meetings, I would be happy to be an interim chair. Thank you, Julian. And I think with support from other people that would be great. And I think that's about all I have on my list. Oh, and yeah, let's think more about how each of us can be more effective and get a few more things done and work on some of the projects we've talked about that haven't pursued. So I'll leave it at that for now.  Yep, I was just gonna note one thing in the shade tree committee email. There was a survey from a UMass student about how committees function and whatnot. So I went ahead and filled that out. They sent me a thing back saying you have to be over 18 for this, et cetera. So I'm not sure if I'll actually end up being counted there or not, but that is my only update there. And I've been trying around town looking at different planting. Just in one second, I filled out that survey as well. Okay, perfect, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, other than that, I've just been researching different planting locations around town. I have a list of two or three places. Okay. Okay, Alan. All right, we do have a tree hearing coming up, which we will need to schedule a site visit for for March, March tree hearing at the March shade tree, before the March shade tree meeting. It's on the North Amherst Common. It's, you know, where North Amherst Common, if you don't know is on North Pleasant Street, where North Pleasant Street intersects with Meadow and Pine Street at that intersection. On the west side of the road, North Pleasant Street, there's a large grass area with some trees on it. It's actually referred to as the North Amherst Common. And it's getting a new multi-use path that's going to go from Meadow Street down North Pleasant Street. Eventually, hopefully all the way to Governor's Drive that you masked by the roundabout there. So the goal is to give everyone from North Amherst a safe place to transit along North Pleasant Street. That's not in the road. So this is sort of a first phase that it's an eight-foot-wide path. So I've been working with our town engineer and trying to find the path that is least destructive to trees. Current path is four feet wide and it's actually at the back edge of the sidewalk, which is on the western edge of the Common. So there's some mature trees that are aligned that sidewalk and it would be devastating to those trees if we put an eight-foot-wide sidewalk there. So how many trees are affecting? So we are actually moving the sidewalk out towards the road where there's a pretty good-sized grass area that's not going to disturb much tree roots. It will require one kind of scraggly nori maple that will need to come down and we need to move probably three of the trees that we recently planted there a couple of years ago because that's where we're going to put the sidewalk. So moving the trees is not a big deal. We can move them and they're going to go right back on the Common. So we're not going to lose them but we will actually gain tree planting spaces. The old sidewalk that is up against the houses property line is going to go away from much of that stretch. So we're actually going to remove that asphalt and give those trees, mature trees, there are some breathing room to grow, to continue to grow. So it's actually a pretty good plan and we work pretty hard to preserve those trees and we gained green space actually. So we need to schedule that. There's one more tree that will, for the North Amherst Common, that a recent change to the plan. There's a birch tree that's up against Town Hall. They will need to remove that tree. It's a two-stem birch tree. They're probably 12 inches in diameter, so two stems. There was a third stem that failed in a windstorm probably about four or five years ago. And we took that part out but the two remaining stems would need to go for the North Amherst Common project. That is not in the public way, it does not require public-saturated hearing. I just want to let the committee know. Do we want to discuss the site visit now or date or later? We would have a tree hearing at our next meeting. Is that the plan? Before the next meeting probably 4.30 or five o'clock, we could do it at five and run over into the, you know, potentially to six and cut into the shade tree meeting. I know people have work conflicts, so going before 5.30 can be difficult for folks. So we should do the site visit on a different day than maybe the Tuesday before that. That would be, yeah, we've been doing that. It seems to work out. Yeah. How many people are available the first Tuesday in March? Maybe the seventh. Yeah, I'm around that day. Okay, so we do five o'clock. I know that might be a little early for you, Sarah. How early could you get there? Yeah, I work until six, so I'd have to probably just rearrange my work schedule and try to leave a little early that day. Well, we can do 5.30. Yeah, any later than that, it's probably gonna be dark. 5.30 would be best for me if that works for everyone else. Okay, 5.30 on the seventh, yeah. Okay, so you'll publicize that, Alan? Yes, yes. Okay, and then we'll have the hearing on the 14th. Let's do it again at 5.30. We'll just start our meeting a little later. Okay. So our meeting will start at six then. Unless we get a lot of people at the site visit and we need to have a schedule longer meeting. Okay. And the rest, I don't have much more to report. We are making good progress on some tree work. The winter's been phenomenal for getting tree work done, grinding stumps, we're making good progress. I have some locations for the second side of the tree planting in neighborhoods where they've been losing a lot of the old sugar maple trees are coming down. So, you know, we can talk about that. I think that's on the agenda later. Yep. There's a tree conference coming up at UMass that folks might want to know about. It's the UMass Community Tree Conference. It's online. It's not in person. They have some great presentations. It's $75. And Mastery Wardens gives out some scholarships there as well. Our seedling program, which we're getting our seedlings from. Portion of those funds go towards the scholarship for our stock exchange students. It helped them out with the end non-stock exchange students. They need to be in the urban forestry program. So it's a great, you know, day-long, online opportunity to learn about urban forestry, community tree care. And then in March, March 29th, there's Arbor Expo happening in Springfield, which is like a three-day, two-three-day Expo with vendors and educational opportunities, all about arbor culture from forestry trees, everything tree. So you might be interested in looking at the agenda for that and checking out the topics you might want to hear about. Can you send me the links of those two things and I'll pass them out to the committee? Yes. OK, great. I used to go to the, there was a big New England-wide tree Expo in Boston. New England grows. New England grows. And I used to go to that. It was wonderful. It was just you get to see new varieties of trees and just meet a lot of people doing all kinds of work around trees. So this is kind of a spinoff from that group? Yeah. So some of those same people are kind of doing this now. So they stopped doing that a couple of years ago, more than a couple of years ago. And this is sort of what they've come up with. Great. Do we want to do seedlings? Do we want to do seedlings now or later in the meeting? What's that? Choice of seedlings for every day? Sure. Before we go on to the list, what's the date of the UMass conference? 28th, Tuesday the 28th, from 8.30 to 3.30. OK, and then the 29th is the tree Expo. 29th is March. Oh, so February. Yeah, February 28th is the UMass. OK, yeah. And you can go to UMass Extension website and you can find the online program there. I will probably drive down to the tree Expo if people want to go, if I can that day. Let me know. All right. Yeah, let's move on. Treasures report before we go any further. We have $14,912.79, which has been the same since December. Thank you. All right. So presentations and discussions. First thing is the Mary Maple, the Love Letters exhibit and the Wood Giveaway. Britt, do you want to talk about those? Sure. So on the Wood Giveaway, you know, we had to have the original, I think, about 40 people who had signed up to receive or to come collect pieces of the Mary Maple at the event. And so I wasn't expecting it to be a huge turnout for that. But I had said something about it on my social media account. And Scott, the reporter from the Gazette, had contacted me and said, hey, can I put this in the paper? And I said, sure, no problem. So I ended up having many, many, many more people than expected who came, people who were not able to be at the event come to collect pieces of wood. It was just a really positive thing to do to give out this wood and hear people's stories of this tree. For example, we had a couple, I would say probably in their 80s, who were living at Applewood, who came to collect two pieces to mail to their sons now in their late 50s, who live across the country because they had shared time under that tree for many decades. The UMass marching band director or the minute man, whatever it's called, the minute man marching band director asked for a piece. They were going to display it, where they practice. Lots of craftspeople. Actually, there was one person. And I don't know if, Alan, you ended up coordinating with her, but a woodworker who had formerly lived in Amherst now currently in Maine who requested a large piece and would like to make a table to donate to our committee, which we would then be able to raffle off or auction off to help raise funds for new tree plantings. So I, at some point, will follow up with her. But yeah, it was just it was great to have so many people from all over town of all different ages come and take a piece of that tree and hear their stories. So it was successful. I still have a bit of wood, quite a bit of wood. Alan had to make two deliveries to my shed because we went through the first bit pretty quickly. So if you all here of other folks who are looking for pieces of the tree, including a couple big rounds that ended up not being claimed, feel free to send them my way. And in terms of the letters to the Mary Maple, I did go through those. It's been a couple weeks now. But there are, again, I think I had mentioned at previous meeting that they were mostly from kids, but not exclusively.  I guess I would I would like to hear from others at some point what the best way forward with that is. And maybe I haven't given it thought in the last month. But a little exhibit, I think, would be nice either at the town hall or at the library. And then and then entering those into some kind of public archive related to the tree, I think, would be good. Yeah, thanks. If it's mobile, we could also bring it to the Stain Bentley Festival. It would be a nice place to have that. That's true. Yeah, we could arrange something. And that's on the common. So it's fitting. Yeah, I want to thank I want to thank Britt she put a lot of time into this. Inviting people to our house to come and pick up pieces of Mary Maple and coordinating and calling and emailing people. You know, that that was big. I mean, that was a heavy lift. The whole whole event was a heavy lift. And I'm so grateful for the effort put into this and the committee to make the this terrible, sad event of removing the Mary Maple some kind of positive outcome to it. And thank you, Britt. Yeah, yeah, and I was away and Britt really, you know, I'm reading the emails and saying how British had just totally taken charge of that. So it was great. It was a group effort. Yeah, but you let it I appreciated that. All right, anything else in the Mary Maple? So our everyday plans, seedlings and events. What are our choices, Alan? So they got the usual like blue spruce and things like that, white spruce, Douglas fir, white oak, to a popular Pinot, Frasier fir, Hackberry, hip-hop-hop, which is interesting, Ginkgo, Lilac, Eastern Redbud, Serviceberry. I think it'd be cool to get poppies. It's not something we usually get. Not sure what else. The last year we bought 200 seedlings. And we had about maybe 25 left over that we tried to heal in and down at Ruckston and keep them watered. But we just couldn't keep up with the watering last year. We lost a lot of them. It was just too dry. And but, you know, it's a good it's a good opportunity to give seedlings out. So if you want to do 200 seedlings, you have to minimal water as a hundred per species. So, yeah. I think anything native, anything that people are going to get excited about, like papas, I think, Serviceberries, right? Like these charismatic trees that people get excited about planting and harvesting things from. You know, I think people like Ginkgos. Um, yeah, that's just my those are my thoughts. I think the Pawpaw is also a great idea. I would favor the other choice being a large shade tree and maybe tulip poplars being the best for that. Ginkgo is not being native. Don't have much benefit. Ecologically, they're nice, but I think a tulip. I would go for tulip and and pop on what other people think. I would tend to agree. Yeah, that new species seems pretty interesting and having some sort of large substantial tree that we can give out is good. Because a lot of people lean more towards the ornamental trees. I I agree. And I think as the shade tree committee, it's nice to offer shade trees. I definitely vote for Pawpaw, which also takes some shade. So I think that's nice. A lot of people don't have the opportunity for plant, you know, planting trees that need full sun all the time. However, I will just throw out there that a lot of people want smaller trees or don't have room for large shade trees on their own land. So having a serviceberry or a redbud, which are super popular, might just we might just end up handing out more trees that way. So I I I want to offer shade trees and we're the shade tree committee.  But I think we might end up handing out more trees to more people if we offer something that's an understory tree that's a little smaller and can take some shade. Dorothy, I just wanted to say some words in favor of oaks, ginkoes and catsaurus. I also wanted to ask you, I read after my big oak fell, I planted a tall oak, well, whatever you could get for three hundred dollars. How many years is it going to be before?  But I mean, how when is it going to look like a tree and give some shade right now? It's got like it's a few year leaves. But I have a ginko, I got to tell you, it's people say it's the biggest ginko they've seen. And it's it's the male one. And the glory of all those leaves leaves turning gold and then dropping all at once, I've I've videoed it. And you can hear the leaves making noises they fall. It's beautiful. And then they stay in this golden circle around the tree for a while. And the catsaurus, I know they're obviously not native. They were but they're absolutely wonderful trees. These are all big tall trees when they get there. But, you know, are those just not practical for what you're handing out? No, they're practical. It's just we I think we can only order two because we have to get a hundred of each choice. So I can. So there the the papa is for for 100 trees. It's two seventy one two hundred seventy one dollars for the two of popular it's two hundred and two dollars and fifty cents. So that'd be four seventy four hundred seventy three dollars and fifty cents for those two species. And I would need a vote from the Shafiq committee to spend the funds from the. Tree fund for those trees. Ellen, once we just once we decide what we're going to buy. Yeah, Ellen, do you have thoughts? Sorry, I find it very hard to engage in discussion when I'm taking minutes. So apologies for being quiet. And no, I love this project and people seem excited and I don't think it matters. I think it's just more about education and. You know, I I think if I recall from the last time when I handed out seedlings, I had remembered that it would have been nice to have photos or something of the tree when it was mature because people, a lot of people didn't really know what this tree was going to look like. You know, I remember saying like, oh, it should be planted in here and how much you should water it. But I wonder if we could include some type of instructions for, you know, I just worry that so many people take it and don't really care for it. But maybe if there's some type of I'm happy to do it, you know, we could do a little ribbon around it or something with the planting instructions care, you know, care instructions for the first few weeks. And, you know, maintenance and maybe a great photo of what it will look like. You know, you want to think about, you know, how big it's going to grow if it's if you plant it right next to your house, it may not make sense. So just just some education and care instructions, I feel would be helpful. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. And I think maybe also including something that lets people know what to expect from the tree in terms of like its its benefits to them. It's like does it attract birds? Why why should they want to plant this tree? And to plug the serviceberry again, I think like foraging is very in right now with young people. And so if we want 200 seed saplings, seedlings going out, I think I think serviceberry and or papa again, good option because people are excited about being able to eventually pick pick things from these trees that they can eat. My experience with serviceberry, which I love, they flower beautifully in my yard and I used to eat the berries.  But all of my serviceberries now get serviceberry cedar rust. And I don't get almost any berries. The birds pick a few at the top that still are edible, but most of them are not edible.  So, you know, I think people are excited about papa's too. And I think I don't want to offer two smaller trees. So we'd have to choose between those two. Yeah. And I think the tool of poplar is a great option as well. Do we want to consider Katsura or the other ones that Dorothy mentioned? Katsura is not an option, so. Oh, OK, that's just that. OK. I would say just native as much as possible. All right, so papa and tulip, should we vote on that? Thumbs up. Yeah. And OK. I have a motion motion to prove the funding. Yeah. OK. I second. I think the committee chair or somebody needs to make the motion first. Robert's rules here. Suppose we we don't follow Robert's rules exactly. But I propose that we authorize the spending of the money from the gift tree fund for the papa's. And what do we just say to the poplars and the amount of approximately four hundred and fifty dollars. I'll second that. OK, now thumbs up. Yeah. OK, all right, good. And I can someone send me the paperwork. I mean, again, I need that the wording of the of the motion. In the vote. Yeah, I can. I can put it together and then email it to you, Henry, for a signature. Yeah, great. Thank you. OK, I know. Again, sadly, I will not be able to attend the Sustainability Fair. It seems to fall on this annual weekend that I am away. Um, but I will happily contribute by making I don't, you know, we can talk about it. But I don't want to use too much paper, obviously, but some type of form or something that could be handed with whichever sapling that people choose just on care and maintenance and benefits. That's great. Thanks. I'd be happy to help with that. Oh, thank you. That'd be great. I'll be still that Sustainability Festival. So I will be there since I've hired to hire to be there. OK, we've lost people visually, but hopefully they're still there. Any other events for Arbor month, Arbor Day? I have some things to add if we want to go ahead. Yeah, quickly. So I, you know, as part of our Heritage Tree grant with DCR, so we're going to do some Arbor Day events, talk about the big sick more at the Amherst History Museum. I've reached out to the Jones Library and to their. Youth youth library in charge of the youth, you know, programming and they're going to look into doing a book kind of reading. And put out a table with lots of books related to trees for Arbor Day. And then we're going to do a tree planting. You know, after the book reading. So it may be at the Munson Library. It may be at the Jones Library. It may be maybe we'll plant that the second word tree to replace the. The mate that, you know, blew over in the 38 hurricane. At the Amherst History Museum, which is also something else we said we're going to do for the grant. So that's in that's in line to coordinate this book reading with the Jones Library and get some youth involvement. So no opportunity to give out ceilings there to folks to take home. Let's see what else we have a date for that. Is that going to be on? Not sure yet. We do Arbor month in Amherst. So, you know, we will be asking the Town Council to vote to approve Arbor month again this year. In April. Alan, I don't know how much you're involved with the programming, but local Amherst resident, Aaron Becker. He's an amazing illustrator. He specialized in three book. Yes, specializes in wordless books. And he just has a new book called the tree in the river or the river in the tree. I haven't seen it yet, but I got five star reviews. It's supposed to it's getting tons and tons of buzz. He's right here in town. He has young kids, too. So I'm sure he would be willing to participate in some. I think it would be great if he could do a reading or book signing. Or I mean, it just seems like a natural and maybe me has already contacted him, but. Yeah, no, I just reached out to the library. I called him on Monday, but the first thing he talked to was off on Mondays. So I contacted them again today and managed to touch base with them. And so this is really in early stages of the planning. So yeah. And Alan, feel free to, you know, I'm happy to help out with that as much as possible. I could also put together some type of like kids, environmental education activity, where they're like doing something with the trees around there in some way, you know, happy, happy to help and brainstorm. Thank you. And then I've also so Amherst College recently decided to join the Tree City USA program. They're part of the Tree Campus USA. UMass is part of the Tree Campus USA program. Many colleges and universities are joining that. So they reached out to me, you know, a couple months ago about it to try to coordinate a little bit, because part of their part of this is reaching out into the community about trees and our day. And they're going to look into hosting a speaker for us this this over a month at some point. And again, I'm going to try to get Kevin Smith from the U.S. Forest Service from Durham, New Hampshire office to talk about the difference between, you know, mature trees, old trees and young trees. And he gives a great presentation. And I'm hoping I can get him to come. I just can't I need to get a commitment of a venue where we can actually have, you know, 50 or so people. I thought it'd be great to see if we get on to Amherst College campus and get some of those students engaged in trees in town and things like that. And then, you know, so we reach out to the university and Amherst College, Amherst College and try to get folks involved that way. So hopefully we can pull this off and Amherst College can host it and help publicize it on their campus as well. Great. I would just say very quickly on the record because I'll be mad at myself if I don't. I think it's great that Amherst College is offering to do this. I think they have a very poor record of tree care and.  So I will I will just say that. I I I understand where you're coming from there. I do. I would say also they also do an amazing job caring for the trees they have. So they're they're mature trees that are on campus, yes.  And most folks don't know that that large area of if you're standing on the main common looking south, there's this large grass area that goes down towards the bike trail. That's all town property. That's all part of the original town common. And Amherst College has, you know, essentially a life lifetime lease on that to maintain it. Those are all. Technically, town trees and they've they they keep that space green and looking pretty good. So I have to say they do spend a lot of time and money on caring for trees. Their offsite stuff is a different kind of a different department. Yes, but yeah.  Do you want to add? Yeah, I wasn't going to say this, but when she mentioned the local illustrator, I my mind had been roving with this. I was going to contact you later. You know, there's this big thing about plant a tree in Israel and you get when you make a donation, you get this lovely certificate that you can frame and you give it to people for random occasions.  I mean, I'm talking about reasonable money and you would get a beautiful certificate at this. And I was thinking, well, how would they know about it? Well, this could be advertised probably on the town, you know, the whole engage Amherst or town website, which they're doing. That just might be one ongoing way of raising money that people might actually like.  People might like the idea of planting a tree in Amherst. Interesting idea. Yeah. Yeah. They could go into the gift fund. You know, the money could go there. Yeah, that's great. Costs more than costs about three hundred dollars to plant one tree in Amherst, but yeah. Here. Yeah. OK. We're not going to get through the whole agenda today. Let's go next to Second Saturday planting sites. Julian had some ideas. I want to put out South Pleasant again as a place. South Pleasant Street down from downtown as you go past the golf course in the parking lot by Hitchcock Center and things like that. I know Alan, I've brought that up before and you've had reasons. Why not? But as a wide grass belt, it seems like the perfect place to plant some trees. Julie. Yes. Yeah. OK. Yes, you had some ideas. Yes. So I spoke about earlier in that Watson Farms area off of Main Street. That was one suggestion. We can always do planting in the downtown area. Another spot that I was thinking of was. And maybe this isn't possible. Do you know the grass belt on East Havley Road between the street and the multi-use path? Is that an area we're allowed to plant in? I know we've worked in that neighborhood before. Yeah, that's a pretty tight grass belt. It's there's not a lot of roots on there, unfortunately. That's got it. Thank you, Complete Streets. Yeah, yeah. Um, oh, we could do some maintenance up in. Not on not inside the Akins Rotary, but on the side of it towards the woods. There's a lot of trees over there that seem to be getting overrun with vines and whatnot. So we could clean that area up a little bit. But those were the three things that I noticed. Anyone else have ideas for planting? I had suggested along Main Street near Amherst Dental. There's a ton of stumps, I guess, that probably have to be ground up first. But obviously some very large trees have been taken or fallen down over the years there.  So I think it could use some shade. So it's down at the bottom of the hill toward the university. Great. I have a couple of neighborhoods. So unfortunately, Blue Hills and Dana Street have been losing a lot of trees and we continue. There are more that need to come down. I know we've done a planting on Blue Hills many years ago. Those trees are all, they've all survived and they're all doing pretty good, but they've lost more tree cover on that street and they just really need it. Dana also has been losing, you know, a lot of its sugar maple trees. So we could do a Dana, Blue Hills Dana, Amity Street sort of planting. It's all pretty tight neighborhoods close to one another.  I also had Main Street needs trees. Most of Main Street can be setback plantings because we don't have much of a right away there at all. And then I think we spoke about Greenwich Road off of Long Meadow in that area. We did, yes. Yeah. So that's more than enough for the summer planting. We just kind of need to prioritize. Okay. If I had to prioritize, I would say that Dana, Blue Hills, Amity, Faring and Main Street Orchard is still there. I forget. Sorry, I forget Orchard Street. We've lost a lot of trees on Orchard Street as well. Actually out to, there's a little footbridge that goes over the bike trail that goes to Woodside, Orchard and Woodside, kind of meet at this kind of weird interest round intersection and then crosses the footbridge which continues as Woodside and have out to Shea Street. And there's a nursery school there, daycare facility. And that here is lost a lot of trees as well. So we've got, as always, there's plenty of opportunity to plant trees. Yeah. All right. And then once they're done with the boot nine project, we could look into that area. Yeah. In several years. Yeah. What should we do with the April planting? Let's pick a place for that. I mean, I think focusing downtown somewhere, as close to downtown as possible. So that would be Amity, Dana Blue Hills, maybe kind of thing. Amity and Fearing. Preferences, people. I mean, I would prioritize whatever area has the least tree coverage and the population with perhaps the greatest, I would say more diverse neighborhoods if possible. I'd also prioritize areas that are closer to downtown or more easily accessible and potentially larger plantings while school is still in session. We usually get some collaboration with UMass while their students are on campus. And then once school's out and after graduation, we usually have a lot smaller volunteer groups. So prioritizing larger plantings and things that are easier to get to for students who don't have cars while school is still in session. So like April, May, those first two months. That's a great point. Yeah, that would be the Amity then Fearing Street. Kind of locations. Yeah, let's do that. Amity and Fearing. Amity Fearing. Yeah. And if there's not enough trees, we can maybe expand on to Dana. Excuse me. We also have the, I can't remember what it was, it was a 12, 12 or so sweet gums that Amherst College donated to the town. So we have those to plant. Great. All right, so let's start working toward that. Anything else on this? So Mary Maple, we did Arbor Day plans, Sustainability Festival and Digital Tree Request. Let's table that for now. Town Tree Tour. Kind of not sure I'm gonna be able to do it Mother's Day, but we can keep that, keep thinking about that. And Ellen, we should meet at some point and continue working on the written brochure. That was, I thought, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Ellen, I jumped in. I thought we were gonna look into a QR code instead of a brochure from our, at our last meeting. Yeah, we were gonna look into an app perhaps, but nobody had those skills, so. Apps are gone by the wayside. So QR codes, anything that's like web-based. Yeah, QR codes are super easy. You can generate one in five seconds, a second. And then if you have information on a website, it's very simple to connect those. So we would need a website that's Town Tree Tour and then we would link to it or? Yeah. All right, well, we can start thinking about that. I'm not exactly sure how that would work. So I don't, using the town website for that, I don't think would quite work. So, yeah. Then we have to pay to host a site. Yeah, from the meeting minutes last month, Britt and Henry will pursue possibility of creating an app with support from UMass students as a more effective way to bring the Town Tree Tour to the public. Yeah, we haven't followed up on that, but I, you know, if you all, or we all discuss, I guess what we're looking for, I could offer an opportunity to students for credit to develop some kind of app. I think, I don't know how easy that is, but we could explore it. I don't know, I feel like something that, like a QR code or something that just links you right to our, to the town website. And we have our own, I don't know if we can design a microsite on the town site if they let each, the different town committees have their own sort of sub-site. Well, we have a page. Okay. We have a page, but it's cumbersome to work through the town IT department and Ben, it's mostly working on updating ours. And then every page needs a lot of, like this format that the town has. So it's a little cumbersome. Is there, we can link QR codes, I believe, to documents. So if we had like a PDF or a PowerPoint that was translated into PDF that was then put on our website, we could link a QR code for each site to each page of the PDF. So that might be an easy way to, and then if someone develops something more thorough like an actual interactive app that walks you through it or something that could be an upgrade, which would be super cool. But if there might be an easy way to kind of just put down the tour into a simple document that we host on the website and then have a different QR code for each page. Do you think a student might be willing to develop that? Yeah. I could offer it for credit and supervise it. I have a current student who's doing some work with DCR. I always want to say DCR, right? I always want to say DRC, like the Congo. DCR on some tree related things, they might be interested. So yeah, I think we could, I could put something out there and see what we get back. Yeah. Let's do that. We have a lot of the stuff written and we have some photos. We need some better photos, but we could give the information pretty quick if someone developed that. Great. All right. UMass interns, anything new on that? Oh, this is sort of the same thing. Yeah. Town budget line item we did. Tree nursery, let's table that. It's getting late. Any news on the tree inventory or any social media update? I guess the, well, Julian's here for that. I don't have many updates for social media. I posted a little thing in advance of this meeting. So, and I'll try to keep doing that as much as I remember to. So that is it. Sarah, could you tell me the budget again? I don't see it on the December minutes or January minutes. So I missed 14,000. Hold on just a second. 14,912 and 79 cents and I wasn't at the January meeting to give my report, but it was the same. So it's been the same December, January and February. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. So Alan, anything new on the tree inventory? Nothing new to update. Okay. And anything new on the significant tree ordinance? Sarah? No, no, I haven't done that. On the solar bylaw group and the groups you've been meeting with, Julian. I understand they have a meeting this Friday, I think I'd have to double check the town websites while I attend that. Great. All right. Anything else? It's already seven, so I do need to end it fairly soon. I don't want to tax you guys either. Yeah, I don't want to take anything past time. I did have somebody ask me today about significant trees being cut down at the Hickory Ridge golf course. So I just want, I said I bring it up to the committee. That's the contractor doing the solar project at Hickory Ridge. It's all been approved and permitted. I assumed so. I said it would bring it up, they were upset. At this phase in the project, Alan, is it still privately owned and the ownership hasn't turned over to the town yet? I can't, I'm not sure. I can't answer that question intelligently, so. I worked on that project at the company I was at previously doing some planting plans for their turtle habitat. But then it's turned over to a coworker for the later stages, so I don't know the latest, but I am aware of the, at least the overall framework of that project. So I understand it will be turned over to the town after it's been built. All right, anything else? No. Well, thank you, Dorothy, for joining us. We appreciate your support. And we'll get you something. We'll get you something about, yeah, the line item, budget item, so. Right, and after hearing the Treasurer's Report, NIST, what kind of money you mean? Because I have no idea.  How much, how much? 40,000. 40,000. That's what we're going for. And like, just to give you an idea, there's capital requests for 40,000 to remove trees, for example. So that would be an addition, right? Yeah, that would be an addition. Yeah. Okay. All right, well, you'll have that in the report just because very good. And put down what you want and what you need. And I have no idea. But the least we can do is to get this in the mind. I mean, there are things that aren't even on the list to do like a new senior center. We've got a huge list of stuff. But compared to what we're doing in terms of money, this is not a huge amount. So it is possible, it is possible that this could happen. At least from my point of view. So that's my hope. Okay, so thank you for all the good work all of you are doing. It's been really interesting and informative listening to your meeting and finding out all the things you're doing. So we appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you, Jordan. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, everyone. We will have a tree hearing and a site visit before our next meeting. So yeah. Meanwhile, yeah, keep up the good work and keep thinking about new stuff. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. You and Henry, I just wanted to offer that if you need help for the next meeting to reach out and let me know. Thanks. I can coordinate with Julian. Okay, great. Thanks, sir. Yep, thank you. Bye-bye.