I don't see it that way, that's the problem. Mr. President, I wanted to open by asking you a question that wants to ask you, but it may require some participation on your part.  What's that? You ready? Yeah. How much cash you got on you? How much cash do I have on me? Not a dime. You never carry money? Very rarely, but it just seems no way to do it. It doesn't mean that I travel free. I mean, I get bills for things, but no, there's no opportunity. I can't go shopping or anything like that, so I make up for it because every once in a while people will give me something. We wanted to ask you on the eve of this Liberty Weekend and your trip to New York to celebrate the statue. A couple of questions about that. Do you think it's time for Lady Liberty to put up her hand and say, stop to immigration at the Mexican border? No, I think that, well, at any border. I mean, I just make it specific. I think that something very definite would go out of America. I mean, I don't think it would go out of America. No, I think that, well, at any border, I mean, I just make it specific. I think that something very definite would go out of America if we ever forgot our heritage. That's sort of like all of us, all of us came here from someplace else or by way of our ancestors, our parents, grandparents, and so forth. And that's a little like getting on board and once we're on board, let's pull up the gangplank and not let anyone else on. Does that mean you wouldn't support the immigration bill? Oh, I'm supporting the immigration bill because I think we have to have some rules and regulations. And I think what that bill has meant to correct is some loss of control at our borders where illegal immigration is threatening us now. No, we have to have control and have head. It's been traditional in our country for many years. And I agree with that and I agree with the part of the legislation which says that some people, even if they did illegally enter the country in times past, have established themselves, have been law abiding, raised children and so forth here, that there should be a provision whereby their status can be made legal and permanent. This weekend, which is a celebration of liberty and our 100th anniversary of Our Lady in the Harbor, do you feel that South African Blacks should have that same kind of liberation? Yes, and I've never yielded on that point. I know that it is a difficult situation and we want to remain in contact and be able to help bring about a change. I don't think anyone can support the policy of apartheid morally. And I know that the present government has made taken steps, wants to find a solution to this problem, is opposed by another faction that does not want to change just as sometimes we're opposed here in our own country with political factions. What things do you want to do that they say they want to find a solution? They've arrested 3,000 people, leaders, black leaders, put them in jail. They've got a state of emergency. How does this balance out? We have expressed our displeasure with the state of emergency. What we believe is that there must come a meeting and negotiations between leaders of the various black elements and the present government as to the formation of a government. Now, they've taken such steps as single citizenship already. They've done some things about the onerous past laws and all of that, the right of labor unions and so forth. They've arrested all the labor union leaders themselves. I know, and this was part of, again, this thing that we, this emergency thing that we think should be done away with. But I think the complication that is overlooked too often is that it is not solidly a racial division between the white minority and the black majority. The black majority itself is divided and there are tribal divisions that have a long time heritage there in Africa. And we've seen that in the violence between those groups now. So, what is really needed is bringing together of the leaders of those factions to make sure that they recognize the responsibility that this must be worked out between all divisions. Is there something the United States can do to bring that about? Well, we're continuing to try. And I think that we have a better chance by remaining in contact with that government than following the lead that's been suggested up on the Hill with some legislation in which we would walk totally away and then be on the outside with no contact at all. I think that we have a long history or relationship between the two countries and that this is what has enabled us to keep a hand in so far. Vice President Bush said a couple of weeks ago that the administration was considering use of the military on drug smuggling in light of the recent deaths of some famous athletes.  Well, remember right now we have some participation by military. And I don't think that he was talking about making policemen out of soldiers. We had a task force that we set up down when Florida was the great entry point. And it was probably the first most successful working together of levels of law enforcement at local, state, federal and the various agencies of all of those working together, plus help from the military with radar, coast guard, things of that kind. And it was so successful that we now have 12 of those task forces working because of the extensive borders and coastlines that we have. And we're always watching if there are more opportunities for increasing that kind of cooperation to deal with the problem of drugs coming into the country. Again, as I say, we want to draw the line at not saying that we're suddenly going to make our military have a police capability. But might you allow the military to use some of its assets like radar? Well, yes. And as I say, to increase, if increasing that will help, because we already have that at work. I might also add that the military, like every other facet of our society, had its own problem with drugs internally. And they have done a magnificent job. They have virtually reduced it almost to zero in the military. I think what we have to face is there is a limit to what success we can have with simply trying to shut off the inflow of drugs to take the drugs away from the users. I know that what Nancy's been engaged in is, I think, what ultimately must be the answer, and that is to take the user away from the drugs to turn the users off. And I think the terrible tragedy of these two young men and what has happened to them is that maybe their lives would have had and will have a real meaning if we will from them move on to utilize all the resources we have. Now, I know that Nancy has participated in movements all over the country showing remarkable success that just say no movement among children is having a great effect. The way parents have suddenly moved forward to enter into this battle. But that's going to be the only way eventually that we'll resolve it, is when we, the people, and as individuals and as groups, say, we've had enough of this and we're going to stop feeding the monsters money so they can continue their living in style at the cost of health and the life of our young people. I would think that these two athletes also, this could be a great example to the athletes in our country, the professionals, who are such heroes to our young people and to children for them to recognize their responsibility and for them to organize and take a position in this fight. A new subject. Soviet dancing of late seems that you are a madly in love suitor courting this coy woman over in the Kremlin sometimes. You two seem to be in your own little dance. What are you planning to write to him soon? Yes, we have an answer in which he has made additional proposals with regard to not only the subject of arms control but the other things we discussed at Geneva, which have to do with the regional conflicts going on in the world, have to do with human rights and immigration and so forth. And we have that letter in our possession and we're putting together our own reply because again I think it opened additional doors that makes me optimistic that we're not only going to have a summit but that we're going to have a summit where we can reach agreement and some of the things that we obviously, or the goals that we share, we have said from the very beginning that we would like a reduction of nuclear weapons leading to the ultimate elimination of such weapons. Well, now they have said the same thing and if we both want the same thing we ought to be able to find a way to reach that goal. What will you tell him in this new letter? Well, as I say, this was quite an extensive letter that he said. When you just got back, how long was it? I can't remember the exact number of pages but it was quite a packet and worthwhile and so we're studying that and our own reply and as I say, I hope that this will all become part of the agenda of the summit meeting. You don't have a Sholchevronazi meeting date, do you? No, that, as you know, they had called off earlier on when we thought it was going to be held in July. We believe that there was some reason for that because this is a new administration there and maybe we had been overly optimistic as to how quickly they could get together and move forward but now we have reason to believe that such a meeting is possible. This year? Yes. November, you think? It could begin then as far as we're concerned but no dates have been set. It's not your good lady, Mr. President. Who's a good friend of yours? Why don't you call up to talk about those deep nights of the soul when you have those kind of questions or do you ever have those? What? When you have questions or when you feel introspective or perhaps you never do feel introspective. Who do you talk to beside Mrs. Reagan? Well, first of all, I'm surrounded here by some very remarkable people who made great sacrifices in order to come into government. Yes, but I'm your best friend and one always has a best friend. Well, I have to say I'm very blessed with a number of friends and I'm in frequent contact with many of them and I don't know that I should go... If I start throwing names around then I have to miss one but I have a circle of... I've been very blessed with a circle of friends that are very dear to me and as I say, we stay in contact. On that line, how frequently do you talk to President Nixon, to Mr. Nixon? Well, as you know, we try to keep all former presidents informed of things that are going on, check with them, get their thinking and so forth and he is one of those and particularly has he been helpful in foreign affairs? Do you mean to suggest that you talk to President Carter as well? Yes, and I have personally but mainly this is carried on by others in our NSC group who keep them informed. But our impression was that your relationship with Nixon was more in the manner of picking up the phone? Well, I have done that because he and I had a long friendship with fellow Californians that went back many years long before either one of us I think ever thought we would be in a present position and so there is I think a closer bond. My acquaintanceship with the most recent is very slight and I knew him slightly or for a short time when we were governors together and then my relationship with President Ford was much more recent than that. Have you given you any advice during this recent Soviet dancing? No, no, there haven't been any. Mr. President, we had good news this morning in the release of an American in Beirut. You're not usually counted among the Americans held there. Wondered what your view is about whether that will improve the chances of the others? Well, I hope so. I didn't know about this. I've been in meetings all morning so I haven't been informed of that. You're giving me the news now for the first time. But yes, the only problem is there is such a variety of groups. That what one group may do may not have an effect on the other. Now, we know with those hostages that we've been working so long and so hard at, the four or five that are still there, we know that that particular group is the one known as the Hezbollah. And there has never been a minute contrary to what some people think that we have not been working and following every lead we can that could lead to their release. And we've had some sharp disappointments when we thought maybe we were making some progress. But those disappointments don't stop us from continuing to try. So I'll have to wait until I find out who this individual is and what group held him. He was not a hostage because he was not politically held. He was something to do with drugs. I got involved there with a faction or something. He'd been held since the fall. We hadn't been directly involved in it except to pass along the message to wherever we could. Well, that doesn't sound... Do you have any news or hope on the other five? As I say, there isn't anything I can talk about except that we continue following every lead, every channel that seems to offer an opening. I wanted to ask you about Mr. Waldheim and whether you think he did anything wrong during World War II. Well, the evidence certainly has been inconclusive and we know that he was a member of the military but then there were a great many people. But so far there seems to be great controversy over to what extent he might have participated in the terrible deeds that made up the Holocaust. And until we do know, I think that we should hold our fire. So you would have no objection to meeting with them either here or abroad? Well, I have no plans for such a thing but we continue to, again, listen and I think some investigation is going forward in our own justice department to see if we can find out, because we do have some laws that are based on war crimes and so we are trying to find out for ourselves, legally, what this position is. May I just top that with one thing though? We must remember our relationship with Austria is a relationship between two nations and Austria and the United States have had a friendly relationship and one which we hope will be maintained. The shuttle, have you made a decision on whether to replace the shuttle and build a fourth orbiter? Well, my own personal desire would be that we can go forward with what had been a tremendously successful program. No decision has been made. We've turned over the Rogers report to NASA and to Jim Fletcher there and bring him to take action on the things that are called for in that. One of our problems is that this tragedy has brought about a backlog of satellites for transport into space. And this may call, in an effort to reduce that backlog, may call for some immediate emphasis on unmanned launchers. And all of this is in the mill right now and no final decision has been made. Do you worry that the recent space disasters could impact the SDI program? Does it trouble you that there are articles being written in America that can't get anything into the sky? How could we possibly have a defense yield? Well, I think before we get around to anything of that kind, we are still in such a state of research, although great progress is being made. I am amazed, but we still have some years of research ahead of us on this before. And I think the other problem will be taken care of long before there's any need for testing. We also want to ask you some personal questions. You've been an actor and a president. Is there anything that you wished you had been that you haven't been? Well, maybe better at all of them. Are there any other professions that you would like to ask? No, I'll tell you again. The Lord has been very, very good to me. When I was a sports announcer, I loved that and I believed that that would probably be my career on out and I was very happy with it. And then the opportunity came to switch to what originally had been a love of mine acting. And I enjoyed that very much. I was a reluctant entrant into public life. I never believed for one minute that I would ever be tempted to want to serve in public office. As I say, I was so happy in what I was doing. And I was really kind of dragged kicking and screaming into seeking the governorship and thought that what I was doing was kind of a very temporary thing because it was put to me on the basis that with our party very divided after the 64 campaign and that odds that I might be able to help bring the party together and that I offered a chance for victory in that gubernatorial race. And I've often said that I think when I finally grudgingly said yes that I really thought no farther than the election. They kept stressing that so much that it wasn't until after I said yes that I said, hey, if I win this it goes on beyond November. But again, we were blessed because it was only after a few months of the governorship that Nancy and I, one night, sitting in the living room in Sacramento, looked at each other and decided that what we were doing made everything else we'd been doing look dull as dishwater. Now you're in the White House. How does that, you know, with the whir of choppers, the ruffles and flourishes, how does that make the governorship look and all the things in the past? Well, I tell you I'm very grateful for that period there because I think the closest thing to the presidency in line of a job is being a governor.  We are a federation of sovereign states and so the governor sits closest to the salt in his state, above anyone except the president. Karen mentioned the whir of helicopters. I've often wondered how you feel when you come back from Camp David and the helicopter lands and the noise is horrendous and reporters are shouting questions at you. What goes through your mind when that happened? Well, of course there is a difference in size and opulence and so forth in this office but as I say, you're prepared for some of the things. It wasn't the great surprise that it must be to some other people who had not previously sat there and known that every day someone was going to put a schedule in front of them of what they were going to be doing every 15 minutes. I will say this, however. It took me quite a while to not turn around and look behind me when they played ruffles and flourishes. I was still wondering who they were doing that for and I guess I can only tell you that the way I accept this is that maybe some people become president, I don't know. I think that the presidency is an institution over which you have temporary custody. Speaking of temporary custody, how would you like to be assessed, say in 2050? How would I like to be assessed? I don't let myself think about that much. I just hope they spell my name right. How do you feel about your son going around in underwear? Well, now you have to remember his earlier training as a dancer, he was pretty fully dressed to his viewpoint, but he also was doing a take-off on a current movie. That was show business. Yes, and I thought he did quite well. I was, as a matter of fact, a little surprised. At that particular, the way he carried off that take-off on the movie. Mrs. Reagan said when I was with her in the Far East that she travels with a photograph of you always. Do you travel with a photograph of her when you're away? No, because I don't carry a billfold. She does carry a purse. But I'll tell you, anytime I travel, I wear a particular pair of cufflinks. They were cufflinks given to me by Nancy, and they are made in the image of a page of a calendar in the month of March with a little stone on the 4th of March, which is our wedding anniversary. What is the stone? Amethyst, which is my birthstone. So, anytime that I'm getting aboard Air Force One now, and before, long before that, ever since I received them, my travels, I have always worn those. Did she give them to you? Mm-hmm. Well, I hear you bought a house in LA. Is it near the old one? No, we're still looking.  Yeah. That's real weird, huh? Oh, I found him in here. He has to walk away without unbuttoning. Is that one a property? Well, you need anything in the transcript when you're dating or you're dating the other one. There it is. I didn't bring the red gloves today. I thought maybe the hat would do. Not bad. Did you notice the hat? Didn't notice? Yes, I looked down right away for a bit. Pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.


Sorry, I'm not trying to be a Grinch or anything.  Just don't murder anyone in the process. Like, it's just completely contradictory. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of The Carp Strong Cast. This Carp Strong Cast episode, I thought I'd make it a little bit special, do a little Christmas special, but I want to dedicate this one to my amazing Patreon supporters. My Patrons have been with me for a couple of years now and it's the reason why I get so much freedom to spend 100% of my time focusing on, you know, animal rights activism and vegan advocacy. Love all my Patreon supporters. So what I did is I messaged them all and I asked them to send in some little questions and what we're going to do in this podcast is answer questions that my Patrons have and I'm sure they just apply out to everyone too, so it's going to be an interesting podcast and thank you all for tuning in. So it's getting towards the end of the year. I always do a lot of reflection towards the end of the year and, you know, looking at how far I've come and I never become complacent. If anything, I have just this itch that just keeps coming more and more pronounced as the time goes by. So I'm in a bit of a planning phase at the moment. My team has changed. I'm back up by myself. Everything sort of changed. It's starting to, you know, I'm starting to think ahead again and, you know, I'm planning everything from the ground up once again. But what we're going to do is we're going to go through these questions from my Patrons and, you know, we're going to just go with the flow, see how things go. So the first question is from Steven York. How's it going, Steven? And he says, hey Joey, what was your most memorable activism experience of 2019? Oh, mate. Now there's a couple of memorable experiences of 2019. The ones to do with activism would have to be at the start of the year I did a campaign against a man called Pierce Morgan who was coming against vegans. And they wouldn't get me on the show for another debate.  Had a campaign called What Are You Defending or What Is Pierce Defending? I think it was. We've got a website still up. But yeah, that was quite memorable. But there was about three and a half weeks which I took off to do something way out of my comfort zone and it was for TV. I will be releasing the details of what that is actually very soon. I believe maybe this weekend coming I'll be releasing the details to that. So Steven, you'll be able to know what my most memorable activism experience of 2019 was and it was way outside of my comfort zone. And I can't wait to share that all with you very soon. Next question is from Jan. Jan Kozic, sorry if I can't pronounce that properly, but Hi Joey, thanks for your work. Thank you for your support. I hope you will be able to keep it going, of course. To my question, do you know of any religious group, preferably a Christian one, that also officially promotes veganism and animal rights? Thank you. Well there are Christian vegans and there are Muslim vegans. And I just don't know of any specific group called the Christian vegans. I think I've seen one called Muslim vegans on Facebook. So if you just, I would just Google it up. Google it up, say Muslim vegans or Christian vegans, whichever is your faith. And I'm sure there's a vegan promoting the message and also who adheres to that type of religion. Let's have a look here. Halo. You know that Beyonce song? I can see you. Halo. Okay, no questions, but just wanted to say thank you for what you do and have a happy vegan Christmas. Of course we're going to have a happy vegan Christmas.  It's more like a satanic ritual to me and I just don't understand it. Sorry, I'm not trying to be a Grinch or anything.  Just don't murder anyone in the process. Like it's just completely contradictory to what the spirit of Christmas actually represents. I don't know if I'll edit this. Maybe I'll just leave this unedited. We'll see. We'll see how we go. Okay, now we've got Roche, R-O-C-H, Roche. Maybe that's Roche, right, Rochelle. El Lemaire, or it could be a male. Oh, Roch, pronounced Roch. He's put it at the end of the question. Okay, right on, man. Listen, in advance of the new year, I just want to tell you how much I appreciate all that you do. Thank you so much, Roch. I consider you as the leader of this ever-growing movement. I wouldn't say that, but I appreciate the admiration that you're showing me, but I wouldn't say I'm a leader of the movement. Well, you say that you consider me as the leader. I just wouldn't say that. I'd say I've got leader tendencies, like I seem to push myself into the forefront, but I just think we all contribute to this movement in many different ways. By no means am I the leader of the movement. I would never suggest that, and I just think we're all equal, and we all bring different things to the movement. Roch says, very inspiring. Thank you so much, Roch. I appreciate that, and I take that as a compliment. I'm very happy and proud to be one of your patrons. I'm so grateful that you're one of my patrons. Thanks, Roch. My question to you is, okay, we're getting to the question. Do you still maintain relationships with non-vegan friends and non-vegan family members, and if so, do you find that difficult to do? Let me have a little sip of my coffee here. I'm using Oatly Barista, but if you can get the Oatly Barista, it's the best vegan milk to use with coffee. It's really creamy. It's quite rich, though, but it's delicious. Do I still maintain relationships with non-vegan friends and family? To be completely honest with everyone in Transparent, I isolate myself quite a lot from a lot of people, not just non-vegans, but everyone. I spend a lot of time alone, and I only have a very small group of people that I am in communication with. I don't know whether that's because of my past, and mixing with lots of people. I've had negative experiences mixing with different crowds and different groups. I like to keep my circle quite small as I've gotten older. That's just generally. In terms of specifically non-vegan friends, to be honest with you, I don't really have much contact with people that aren't vegan generally, but I have a lot of respect for my older friends, a lot of them. They have been with me through some of my hardest times, and they've seen me at my lowest points, and there is just a level of respect that I have for those people, whether they're vegan or not, that I couldn't wipe my hands of someone who's been there for me through my hardest times. I have a level of loyalty to people from my past, and respect. Not everyone obviously, but there's a few people that even though they're not vegan, I still love them dearly, and love them like family. But it doesn't mean that I'm with them constantly. As I've grown up, we've all just started to part ways, and that's what happens. It's not necessarily to do with being vegan or not, it's just that as I've gotten older, I've learned to part ways, and I'm really focused on my mission. But I can see how that could be difficult 100%. When it comes to non-vegan family, when I was back in Australia, back around my family, if I had a birthday or something, then we'd be eating vegan at my birthday, otherwise I would just not have you there.  That's just an out of common respect for a friend who's against the murder of animals, who's against animal abuse and animal cruelty. Out of respect for that individual, why wouldn't you just eat vegan on that occasion? Otherwise, you're just showing pure disrespect to that person. You know, it's like if you go into a different country where there's a different culture and there's a way to dress like I was in Bali recently, and when you go into the temples, you have to wear a sarong.   I just think that's the height of disrespect and a true friend, a true family member who really cared about you would put their meat-eating habit aside for one day for you. I just think that that's the least they could do. I mean, I would do it. Well, obviously, I wouldn't go against my principles and start eating meat on someone's birthday, but when it comes to an issue of justice, like animal abuse or child abuse or let's just say someone was mentally abused, then I would avoid certain topics to make sure that they weren't triggered by that. Say someone was suffering PTSD from the war.  I'll just be like, well, that's got this PTSD. They're in the war. I'm going to be a little bit sensitive about that. Same with a vegan. If they're a vegan because they're against animals being killed, then why eat a murdered animal in front of them? It just shows a level of disrespect to that individual. If a friend is going to deliberately do that, they're not a friend. They're not a friend of yours. I'll tell you a story of some of my friends from my past too and really hard. My mate Chad, a real hard guy. He used to go toe to toe on the street with anyone. I'd never seen him back down in a fire. He was a real tough guy. Recently, it was only 18 months ago, I went to his house. They were all drinking. I obviously don't drink. And they had a bit of a sort of a catch up and there was lots of people there. They had roast pig. I think they roasted pigs. But what they did when I arrived is they put everything away. They put all the animal products away while I was there. And I was there for two hours. And people were hungry and all this. But they didn't bring out the animals. The murdered animals until I'd left. So I just thought that that was an amazing show of respect from some old friends of mine. And I truly appreciated that. They're not vegan. My mate's not a vegan.   But out of respect for me, he didn't bring them out to the table. He knows what I do for a living. He knows what I do as a passion. He knows how close this is to my heart. And he just waited till I left. So I thought that was an amazing show of respect. So anyway, that's the answer to the question. I don't know if I answered your question in detail. But that's my experience now. I'm a bit of a bad example of someone just who maintains relationships with old friends because I'm in a different country now. I'm a traveling activist. I generally have a small circle anyway. And people know my principles. And I have a different type of character than to someone who... My character is very strong. So when I'm in the room and you know about it, so if there's a murdered animal and I'm around, then you'll know about it. So people just respect that. And my character is different to other people. So I have a video on my channel called How to Deal with Non-Vegan Family and Friends. I think that might help you with... Because everyone's personality type is slightly different. Well, a lot different. Not slightly different. I mean, you could be a young 12-year-old or 13-year-old teenage girl and you just don't have that strong character. There are ways that you can adapt to situations if you don't have that real strong character where you don't want to displease anyone. There's ways of adapting and navigating these difficult situations. Check out my video. Erfling Ed also has a great video on that as well on his channel. Let's have a look here. Natasha Pallaria. The longer I am vegan, the more it hurts my heart that most people are not. I am somewhat hopeful about the future of this movement. But at the end of the day, it all feels the same. I am literally existing with a broken heart constantly because the animals are always on my mind and in my heart. I feel very connected to them, like I've never felt before. Everywhere I look, there are new restaurants that include steak houses and seafood places. I sometimes can't breathe and always feeling overwhelmed. Watching smiling, smacking lips, spending hundreds on food is like living amongst demons. The amount of money made by raping, torturing and murdering innocent beings is astronomical. Exactly, it's crazy. How can I cope with these feelings and dealing with non-vegans in everyday life, including being judged and questioned all the time about my moral obligations? Okay, so... This is a very serious question. Natasha says, how do I cope with these feelings? I'm sorry that you're going through that, Natasha, but I just want you to know that you're not the only one who goes through this. We all do. This is what I mean. This is what I was talking about before about different characters. Natasha's obviously got a very empathic nature where she's feeling things very deeply, which happens to me a lot too, but I've got a bit of a rough... I'm a bit more rough.  Natasha's feeling things very deeply. How can I cope with this, she's saying? Dealing with people, questioning her and judging her all the time about my moral obligations.   But if it was child abuse, if someone was questioning you about why you don't contribute to the abuse of children, would that be a hard, you know, question to answer? Would you, you know, you would be very fixed in your belief there? What do you mean?  Of course, I'm not going to abuse children. It's completely unnecessary. Why would I derive pleasure from the abuse of an innocent child? This is the same here.  Just, I don't know when the last time you watched Dominion is or like just, like, watching something like Dominion, I mean, as horrible and horrific as it is and as hard as it is, it really shifts your perspective from what you're going through right now to what the animals go through on a day-to-day basis.  I'm getting questioned all the time. But look at this. Look what's happening here. You know, so I just want you to try to shift your perspective when you're feeling like that and just know that you're not alone, you know? You're not alone. We're all feeling very similar at times. Sometimes I have highs, sometimes I have lows. I would ask you to, like, do you get involved in any type of activism? Are you vocal? Do you have an outlet? Because having an outlet, having a feeling like you're doing something to make a difference can help you overcome those feelings where, like, you say everywhere, I look at there are new restaurants that include steakhouses and food places. I can't breathe from always feeling overwhelmed, you know, people eating animals all around you, and are you doing something productive to give you the feeling that you're helping to make a difference?  Is there any other way that you can help make a dent in these industries? And when you do that, it makes you feel less helpless when you're doing something proactive to help stop the abuse that happens to animals in whatever way you can. So the more proactive you are, the less helpless you'll feel, the more perspective you'll have about what's happening to animals, the less hard you're going to find it to cope with these feelings that you get by being judged and questioned all the time. So I hope those two things help, perspective, see what's going on with the animals. Think of it in terms of child abuse, you don't have to sit there and justify why you don't abuse children, so you're not going to sit there and try to justify why you don't abuse animals or feel obligated to justify why you don't abuse animals. So the perspective thing and then the proactive way you're helping to solve the problem with animals so that you don't feel helpless. I think those two things might help a lot. Now, look, I don't claim to have all the answers either, guys. I'm just giving a bit of advice that might help. There could be better advice out there. I'm not claiming to know everything. We're all trying our best, aren't we? Someone's called the drama llama and it's quite hilarious. There's a little picture of a llama poking their tongue out. Really cute. Do you think that items made using animal products but not containing animal products are vegan? i.e. beer filtered with icing glass. Ising glass? What's icing glass? Let me just I.S.I.N.G L.A.S Let's just look that up. A kind of gelatin obtained. Ah, cool. I didn't know that. Thanks, drama llama. Didn't know what icing glass was. A kind of gelatin obtained from fish. Okay. Do I think beer filtered with fish gelatin is vegan? I always hear people say no but by that same logic sugar-fooded with bone char not be vegan either or any organic produce because of the livestock manure used I think one could argue that the only reason these items are made using animal products is because there's an abundance of cheap leftovers from the meat industries and if we stop the demand for meat then these products will just use alternatives. Since animal products are not required to create these foods, do I have any thoughts? Well drama llama I think we're getting into the as far as practically possible sort of area Let me just have a sip here.  But so let's just think about this obviously we do eat produce that has been fertilized with manure and like you know when you start going down the line there and you know the only reason they're using this manure is because there's so many animals being bred and they don't have anything to do with this tons and tons of feces so they're throwing it all over our crops so if we all went vegan all this feces to throw on the crops and we'll be thinking about veganic farming and using more towards the synthetic crop fertilizers so what you're saying is veganism solves this problem where like all of these you know leftover body parts and you know fish gelatin from the fishing industry and you know these weird little just bone char and all this stuff they're using to filter products and we wouldn't be using these products if we all went vegan because they wouldn't have byproduct they just wouldn't have byproduct you know so yeah I get that now sugar sugar is a very difficult one because if you start saying like look if you choose organic sugar I know they don't filter organic sugar with bone char and I know beet sugar isn't filtered with bone char and if you're in the UK a lot of the sugar I think the majority of the sugar is beet sugar and then you start talking about processed foods that don't contain animal products but sugar might be an ingredient and then you don't know whether that sugar was processed with bone char was filtered with bone char was it beet sugar was it organic sugar you start getting into this realm of like okay now we're getting really far down the line here you know you might pick up a vegan bar protein bar and it might have sugar in there then you got to recall the company and see what type of sugar they used in this instance and whether that sugar was then filtered with bone char somewhere down the line then you start talking about wine let's talk about wine if you buy a bolognese sauce that says in the ingredients it's tomatoes garlic, onions, wine you don't know whether that wine was vegan then you call the pasta company find out if their wine was filtered with ussing glass is it if I'm pronouncing that right with fish gelatin then you find out that it was okay that bolognese sauce has used animal byproducts now if we were to use this logic then beer, wine sugar filtered with bone char those products are not vegan but fruits and vegetables that are fertilized with manure are vegan drama lama I think what you're saying is we are contradicting ourselves there we might be contradicting ourselves there and I can see that's a bit of a conundrum there that's a bit of a moral conundrum like sugar filtered with bone char or an apple they've used manure to fertilize the crops there like it's still animal byproducts that have been used in the process now this is like this is kind of going into this is kind of a grey area this isn't a black and white topic here it's not as direct as using dairy products it's not as direct as hey you buy cheese you're directly causing the dairy industry to make money and exist and exploit cows when you buy an apple you know are you supporting the are you supporting animal agriculture directly by buying that apple if they've used feces to fertilize that apple it's a very it's a very kind of open question and up for debate here you know like me personally I don't drink alcohol but if I did I would try to get the vegan wine because there's an alternative I know there's certain beers that don't use gelatin so I'd go for those when it comes to sugar if you've got a choice between beet sugar which is made from beets and you know just cane sugar filtered with bone char then you know obviously I'm going to go for the one that's easy to choose which is the vegan one I'll choose the vegan option I know organic sugar which is only like 50p more or something like that really hardly anything more isn't filtered with bone char so I'll just go for the organic sugar when it comes to apples and pears and berries and things like that am I going to ring up every single grower we've imported this from Greece we've imported these berries from France those apples came from some place in Eastern Europe you know this wheat was from Australia or this rice was from Thailand am I going to start telling people you better check where that rice came from and how much manure was used in the process of growing that that just gets out of the realm of as far as practically possible for me so for me when it comes to plant produce with manure being used you can't trace that it's really hard to trace that and if we all went vegan they wouldn't be using all this manure to fertilize crops so to answer your question simply with beer corona we don't use fish so I would choose that corona it's a very easy choice to make so you can avoid that what else did we say I'm just having a look here sugar it's a really easy choice but when it comes to buying say you bought a cake it's vegan someone baked a cake and it was a vegan cake but you don't know what sugar they used are you going to avoid the cake I don't know this is where it gets difficult it's not whether I would avoid the cake it's whether I'm going to tell people to avoid that cake if it's all the if all the products in there are plant based right don't use no eggs no dairy and there might be some sugar in there that you don't know it's kind of 50-50 whether it was beet sugar organic sugar I don't know maple sugar or whether it was cane sugar filtered with bone char it's just like would I tell people to avoid that I think you're making I think that would be making things very complicated but you're going to buy a bag of sugar it's easy to buy the organic bag of sugar and avoid the bone char it's easy to buy a bag of beet sugar and avoid the bone char or try a different alternative sweetener and avoid cane sugar all together so there are things practical things you can do to avoid the bone char but in terms of all circumstances I don't know that just gets out of practically possible I think that's just like and fruits and vegetables I don't even know if I really want to go there I don't even know if it's very wise to go there right now because that's just a very big that just opens up Pandora's box when you start going into that area so I hope that sort of answers I know that was very long and drawn out but hey if you want to add to the discussion send us an email or comment down below if this is on YouTube you can open up the discussion there okay let's go on to the next question and like I said I don't have all the answers I don't claim to know everything there are obviously some grey areas that we can discuss the moral implications of we're all learning as we're going a lot of these issues are very new a lot of these issues haven't been talked about discussed or even researched in depth yet so we have to really keep an open mind and keep the discussion open Jay Olders excuse me just having a sip of the old coffee there hi Joey thanks for what you're doing thank you for your support Jay I really appreciate it I have a question how do I reconcile thoughts on having pets particularly rescued pets not only the aspect of keeping an animal in quotations but also for people who perhaps discover veganism after they already have a dog or cat I went from vegetarian to vegan about 8 years ago and at the time I had a cat I know dogs can have veggie food but cats are very difficult if not impossible to keep healthy on a vegan diet I tried, someone in brackets I tried he's since passed on so this isn't an issue I'm very sorry you lost your cat I have to deal with but it's something I still don't know how to wrap my head around so I guess one aspect of the pets thing is the keeping of the animal we'll address that first if you're going to rescue a dog or cat the alternative to you if you were not to rescue them would be they get euthanised so I think rescuing them is the most ethical thing to do and you can't just let a cat and dog roam free in society you just can't do that they'll just get, especially in the western world in Thailand and Bali you can have street dogs it's fine the best thing we can do is control the breeding of domesticated animals and make sure they don't run around out in the street and get picked up by a dog catcher and get sent to a welfare shelter and when they get euthanised the most vegan thing we can do is control their breeding so there's not millions of them running around and millions more of them getting euthanised I mean that's the best thing we can do when it comes to feeding dogs, dogs can be vegan very easily they can have a plant-based diet very easily, nutritionally adequate plant-based diet their Border Collie for you the fourth oldest dog ever was a Border Collie I mean actually let's just go let's just google it up oldest dog, vegan Bramble one remarkable example is that Bramble a 27 year old Border Collie whose vegan diet of rice lentils and organic vegetables, earned her some consideration by the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's oldest living dog in 2002 so yeah dogs are fine now cats your other question was about cats, let's have a look I had a cat at the time you said it's nearly impossible to keep a cat healthy on a vegan diet that is not true I can objectively say that's not true there are many anecdotes hundreds or even thousands of anecdotes of vegans having cats that they feed a plant-based diet that's formulated, so all they're doing you know how you can make a beyond burger where they get a pea like some peas and they turn it into meat what they're doing with cat food is they're isolating the proteins out of the plants they're adding the the the nutrient profile that a cat needs and they're formulating plants into like meat for cats that's it cats need touring so if you monitor these cats and you feed them a nutritionally adequate plant-based diet there's no reason why they can't eat a plant-based diet I mean there's no reason to stab one species of animals in the throat to feed to a cat it makes no ethical sense whatsoever let me say my friend that you tried I'm not sure how much you tried or whether you had confidence in trying there is a study done on vegetarian animals even cats and you know as long as they're I think it's their acid in their urine is monitored you can have perfectly healthy plant-based cats and there's many anecdotes on the movement of people with vegan cats and it's just like burger how do they get that to taste like meat you can have a fiber like I think you take all the fiber out of the plants you know isolate the amino acids the protein add in the nutrients that cats would get from meat like a supplement in there and what you've just basically formulated meat for cats out of plants I mean we have technology to do that now and there's veterinary approved vegan cat food out there just google it up if that answers your question Jay thank you for that question it's one we get a lot Jane Peters hi Jane how do you stop yourself from going nuts after seeing the torture and abuse of murder of animals oh my god yeah that is hard and so Jane continues on to say I've only seen videos and it's pretty much impossible to close my eyes without seeing a little pig being stabbed in the throat or a cow being punched or trying to get to her baby who's being dragged away by his little leg having no clue what the hell was going on oh my god and then she says she goes on to say thank you for everything you do you're a really good person we're so lucky to have people in the world like you who are actually getting out there and doing everything they possibly can to end the suffering much love and respect Jane thanks Jane we all try our best I mean I think maybe I could try a little bit harder and just give it more of my all we'll see how we go see how we go next year actually this year is nearly ending so whenever she closes her eyes pigs being stabbed and cows being punched and it's just horrible so Jane I totally understand that Jane sounds like another empath a lot of vegans are empaths here so how do I stop myself from going nuts I do something productive to try to end to try to I use what happens to animals as fuel for my activism makes me angry and I use that anger and I turn it into being productive and it forces me to do something about what's going on to them that's what I do all of those visualizations you're having that's the animals calling out for your help think of it like that those animals are calling out for your help do not feel helpless do something every single day anything sharing a post making a video getting out there and talking to people in the supermarket if you're a runner run long distances and attribute it to the vegan diet say you don't have to eat animals to get big and strong if you like doing weights whatever it is however you're going to advocate if you like cooking recipes cook some recipes up for your friends and teach them about vegan cooking without animal cruelty whatever it is use what's these visualizations of what's happening to animals and use that as fuel to help stop what's happening to them to help stop the abuse that's happening to them in whatever way you can there's multiple different ways of doing that but yeah I would say let it fuel you don't let it break you Ryan says Joey love your content thanks so much Ryan you've mentioned in the past that there are forms of vegan activism you don't personally do for various reasons even though the motivations of the activists you may agree with are there any forms of popular activism you would consider problematic or ineffective that are detracting from the movement in your view okay just going to have another sip of this Oakley coffee I'm not actually sponsored by Oakley but it's delicious oh delicious oh my god are there any forms of popular activism I'd consider problematic Ryan the longer I've been an activist the longer I've been in the movement I'm starting to think that I don't actually know if there's any type of activism if done with the right intention is problematic because after talking to that vegan couple on a podcast and they were talking about the radical flank effect how people viewed Malcolm X as militant and extreme and what that ended up doing was it helped Dr. Martin Luther King look less militant so they both had this same intention in a way but Malcolm X actually provided the radical flank which helped Martin Luther King look less extreme so without Malcolm X Martin Luther King looked extreme so when you talk about in the vegan movement you got these people in you know steakhouses causing this disruption like DXC I think that's very important for the movement it creates a debate and then you get someone like Earthling Ed or James Aspie on TV or Natasha and Luca or you name them and then they start discussing it with the vegan advocacy when you force things into a debate with these extreme in quotations forms of activism we come in and we win the debate which is like what Wayne Hussang I really wish I could pronounce his name but the founder of DXC says in his speech whether or not I think they're effective that's another thing what do you mean by effective not everyone is a vegan advocate some people are activists they're just trying to force the conversation of animal rights into the media that doesn't mean they're trying to turn people vegan it means they're trying to create some noise so it means like what effective at what creating noise or turning people vegan I mean so some people are fur activists they're not trying to turn anyone vegan they're trying to shame people away from wearing fur everyone has different strategies and techniques and if their intention is you know for the animals as long as they're not you know I don't believe in causing violence to other people like unless it's really in self-defense but you know I don't believe in actually being violent to someone to create the change that we want I just don't know about harming anyone but in terms of you know looking extreme or being extremists that's all a matter of perception and detracting from the movement I really don't like those who are out there spending all their time resources and energy and creative ability slating other animal rights activists I think that that's just what are you doing why don't you use all of that energy into speaking up for the animals instead of slating criticising making articles about other activists I mean get yourself some perspective of your energy to speak up for animals who are screaming in gas chambers so yeah I think that that's like a little bit of a detracting thing but that's not animal rights activists and that's just I don't know some type of weird jealous hatred or some type of I don't really know what fuels people like that if they use their energy for the animals they'd be very very productive activists so I think that that is problematic in a way although there are legitimate criticism some people they're just clear there's some ulterior motive to it I don't like giving people an excuse to eat animal products I don't say if you buy free range and all this I don't think that that's animal rights activism either so telling people that there's a humane way to eat animals or consume animal products I think we need to be very fixed in our conviction when it comes to what's ethical and what's not you know there's no right way to do the wrong thing we all know that phrase so yeah those things are saying there's a higher welfare way of exploiting animals I don't agree with that spending your time bringing down other activists when you could be spending your time speaking up for animals those two things Jamie chambers what brand of dog food do you feed your dog go Jamie I do not have a dog in my care at the moment but when I did have I would feed them like a mixture of I think it was vegan pet there's a bunch though just it doesn't really matter but like I was using like a dry food like a formulated veterinary approved dry dog food and I'd mix it with a wet food that I'd just prepare myself so I'd like over cook brown rice to the point where it was stodgy because dogs to eat so that the dog that was in my care could just hit properly and then I'd use like TVP and then some peanut butter or some lentils really overcooked so it was really stodgy and I'd mix it together so yeah like some fat some whole grains and not beans some lentils they were red lentils and you know some dry formulated vegan pet food that's what I was doing and then you could put in some veggies some carrots but there's great recipes online if you wanted to make your own in Japan said what's planned for 2020 how long are you going to stay in the UK and where to next how are you spending Christmas and New Year what's planned for 2020 now like I said I'm actually by myself now I don't have a team with me but I've got a new management who will be helping me plan out 2020 so I've never been one for planning but 2020 is going to be the year for planning in terms of what is planned we have to wait and see for that because I'm going to do everything from the ground up and re-plan reschedule and there could be some really big things happening for 2020 but we'll have to wait to see how long are you going to stay in the UK and where to next I don't actually know yet I don't actually know yet sorry Al but you'll be the first to know how are you spending Christmas and New Year I'm actually out in the country at the moment I'm out of the office so I'll be spending Christmas and New Year's out here with some friends speaking of which have a happy one thank you very much Al in Japan okay so Al I'm sorry I can't tell you more but I'm in a planning phase right now Robbie ETHAT ETHAT how did family and friends react when you started doing activism and how did it affect your relationship with them thank you for all you do Joey family and friends react I really don't know how my friends reacted because I wasn't in contact with a lot of them a lot of my friends were either gang members or they're in prison they lived a certain life so I wasn't really in contact with them the friends that I wasn't were in contact with they couldn't really believe it there was a lot of ridicule that happened my friend group we used to give each other a bit of shit we were poking fun at each other all the time for our whole lives so of course they're going to poke fun at me for this but I think they were just happy my friends especially and my family were just happy that I was sober and not out there causing havoc when I was a drug addict and a gang member I was very violent and very hard to be around very unstable so yeah they were happy that I was sober and stable the animal rights thing I guess they there was a lot of respect for that but also a bit of ridicule for the vegan thing and they were really steak eating me eating people a lot of my friends my family they were a bit off at the start but as the years went by and how serious they realized this was a lot of my family are actually vegan now so my mom my brother my brother's wife their child my oldest brother he's like vegan but vegetarian he eats predominantly plant based I'm going to say that then I've got like cousins and uncles and stuff who have taken on the plant based diet as well so yeah friends and family everyone's going to react a little bit shocked at the start there's going to be some push back but the longer you vegan the more people start to take it seriously and obviously I'm all over the internet and you know viral videos and then on the news and I was all over the media so then they started to wow what's going on here people are taking Joey seriously and maybe we should too Sue Bamford hi Joey just wondering if you see yourself moving back to Australia in the near future not in the near future but possibly in the future okay we got Mandy Mankowska Joey Loveheart I think you've done this before but would you be keen to do more activism with baby animals such as piglets I think the impact would be double the people would instantly make the connection between their vegan hearts and lifelong omni conditioning it would unravel their cognitive dissonance and put things into perspective visually rather than purely relying on factual arguments that may not make that much sense to their conditioned minds love ya okay yeah thanks Mandy I'd really appreciate your support and your question I get what you're saying it's more of an emotional reaction when they actually see the piglet I did a video about a year or two ago called piglets vs the public that was with Julian the piglet and there was another piglet I forgot the other piglet's name I'm so sorry but Julian if you ever see me kissing this little baby piglet that's Julian little baby piglet they were rescued from a factory farm there was an opportunity to do that opportunity to not come along very often to be honest those piglets had been down that beach front many times before the person who was they were in their care had taken them out to that beach and they loved going around running around on the beach so I had the opportunity to talk to the passes by about the piglets but that it's not really that it's quite difficult to take a piglet that's been rescued from a horrible situation and bring them out into the public those opportunities really rare to come by and putting a piglet through that type of stress is not really that even though the knock on effect of people seeing that piglet is really positive for the species of that animal that video I know is responsible for turning a lot of people vegan it went viral on Facebook like a million people seeing it on Facebook hundreds of thousands of people have seen it on YouTube really big impact it's just those opportunities are really hard to come by I can't just manufacture opportunities like that but you know I really am considering doing something with the help of maybe a sanctuary in the future Patrick says isn't not murdering animals great well Patrick yes it is it's fantastic I wouldn't say it's great I just think it's like well it is it's it's amazing but like it should just be the status quo it should just be like the general moral baseline not to stab animals and not to eat their dead bodies or pay for them to be stabbed I mean you know not abusing human children is great too but it should just be something that's expected of society you know it shouldn't be like it doesn't make you a good person not to contribute to the murder of animals it just makes you morally neutral but thanks Patrick glad that you're a vegan says David Naylor what do you think of the argument that animal agriculture on at least some scale is essential to keep your ecosystems healthy such as our soils and that growing enough to feed the world through monoculture would cause damage as our ecosystems are perhaps not designed to sustain this type of system I'm thinking of Joe Rogan's recent videos could technologies be the answer David I haven't seen the argument on Joe Rogan's videos I haven't seen what they're actually saying animal agriculture on at least some scale is essential to keep our ecosystems healthy such as our soils the thing is animal agriculture the leading cause of deforestation is animal agriculture I know that deforestation is really bad for the soils everything dries up I'm not a specialist on soil but I know deforestation is really bad and the reason we're monocropping so much is to feed animals so more planting of trees would take the carbon out of the air and help replenish the soil but in terms of exploiting animals to murder them why there's a difference between having animals roaming freely and leaving their droppings on the soil you don't have to breed them and murder them in the process why murder them I think this is people scratching at straws looking for an excuse to murder animals I'm not saying animals aren't essential to keep our ecosystems healthy but what I'm saying is why do we have to murder them to keep our ecosystems healthy that's just people that love me trying to find an excuse I'm very suspicious of that I think that needs a lot more thinking through by experts but in no way we need to breed and murder animals to keep the ecosystems healthy way before animal agriculture the ecosystems were fine ok now we have animal agriculture guess what's happening the earth is going to absolute shit going to hell in a handbasket because of the resources water use, land use deforestation all of the carbon footprint animal agriculture the greenhouse gases all of those things animal agriculture in no way is fundamental to a healthy ecosystem it's completely the opposite so yeah that's my perspective on that one David we need more experts on soil erosion I think these people they have a bias they just have this ulterior motive they want to find an excuse a really good excuse for eating meat Valentine says as animal rights activists who are working to bring an end to systematic oppression of non-human animals what would you say are our greatest strengths and weaknesses as a community our greatest strengths is our sort of our willingness to go up against adversity because we understand what we're doing is right the right thing so we can go up against all adversity and our tenacity and the way that we are working together in various different ways our weaknesses as a community would be the way that people spend too much time bringing other people down who are trying to do the right thing and the inviting and all of those things that take the energy from hard working activists and sort of distract people from what's going on to animals I think these are all weaknesses as a community but the greatest strengths is our character, strength of character in the face of adversity our willingness to keep going and to keep the animals close to our heart Yvonne? Hello Hi Joey Hi Yvonne I can't pronounce your last name but we've had multiple Skype sessions together my question would be what was your big aha moment my big aha moment I guess she means my aha moment when I went vegan my aha moment mainly while I was on house arrest I put on a lot of weight and I was looking for a diet to lose weight and I came across a raw foodist who was talking about the power of plants I used his juiced fasting technique to lose a lot of weight and I felt amazing so that was kind of like a big seed planted there while I was in prison I stopped using drugs and alcohol for the first time in 12 years and I've seen things from this new perspective a bird's eye view of my life so I had kind of an epiphany in prison that was a huge aha moment and then when I was got out and I wasn't fully vegan yet and I was criticising my mum about smoking and she talked about the vices people have that they don't change I used that time when she said those words I reflected and instantly thought I've always wanted to be a vegan I've always known exploiting animals is completely wrong and unjustified but I've got a piece of a cow or chicken on my plate and I stopped being complacent and I took the plunge right there and then those were my aha moments my highlight of 2019 that's coming I'll let you guys know about all that the biggest challenge for 2019 would be my trauma therapy I was in trauma therapy for the last year it was a big challenge for me to face all those deep dark demons and but I feel like the treatment was really effective with me and it was a huge challenge but also the highlight of 2019 was also a big challenge for me too but the biggest challenge was dealing with my trauma which I'm very grateful that I had the help of a beautiful therapist to do that I know it's more than one question last one what are your goals for 2020 besides making everyone go vegan I'm going to set out goals for 2020 also going to set out a plan and I'm thinking about maybe running those past you guys I really think goals and plans should be kept between the person who's making them and I think it more likely to achieve them but I'm always striving to do more so that's what I'll say in terms of loose plans I'll be making those loose plans within the next couple of weeks I'm going to like I said I'm going to rebuild everything from the ground up and start fresh so she says I'd love to see you on a TED talk you never know thank you again for doing what you do for the animals you're an amazing activist and person thank you so much Yvonne I think that's how you pronounce it yeah but in terms of the biggest highlight I'll be releasing that very soon and my goals I'm going to keep them between me and I think the goals thing you just know that it's to reach more people and to convert more people to veganism to make more activist so how I do that will be very systematic and I plan this year will be the one of the only years of me being an activist where I've actually made plans okay so we've got the last question here I believe one of the last questions Joey any plans for a North American tour would love to meet you here in Vancouver Canada keep up the fight your work inspires me to get active I'm going to go into my third cube tomorrow your videos are changing lives thanks so much Tosh thanks for your support could possibly be in Vancouver Canada I can't go to North America because it's just customs reasons it's a bit difficult but Canada could definitely be on the cards thank you so much Tosh okay so that looks like that's all of the questions from my amazing Patreon supporters thank you so much guys in terms of my answers the questions like I said I don't claim to know everything a lot of these things are up for discussion especially the grey areas with fruits and vegetables being fertilized with the manure a couple of other grey areas that we talked about too but always open for discussion and learning more and I hope you guys are all focused on achieving your goals for 2020 or at least making out a loose plan and staying strong and just brainstorming how we can how you can make a difference and step things up a notch I'm always trying to step things up a notch year after year and I just want to thank everyone who supported me so far and who's been there for me it's been a big year it's been quite exhausting at times lots of highs and lows but it's been all completely worth it and we can never forget why we're all fighting and why we're vegan and if you're not yet vegan and you're listening to this all the way through wow, Merry Christmas thanks for coming this far and I hope your New Year's resolution is to stop eating the abused body parts of animals who were tortured and killed in slaughterhouses and to help band together with us all to make this world a better place so thank you all to my especially to my amazing patreons and donors and supporters and commenters and everyone who's subscribed and we made 100k subscribers this year it was amazing and I just want to send love out to you and to anyone who's doing it hard because it's a Christmas season and they have to be around family and friends around the table where there's an abused animal on the table and I just want you to stay strong and to remain calm and maybe don't be combative at this time of the season but maybe to be to try to to affect people positively and try to get them thinking and try to get them making more ethical decisions but be smart about it and ask leading questions and draw the conversation towards their principles generally and see if they want to help bring more compassion into the world and do this all in a positive way being combative and causing a big fight at the table this year I mean try not to do that it's just going to make your life harder but if there are any emotions coming up this year I want you to use those emotions as fuel to help generate your advocacy in the future that's what I do I always use all these emotions the anger the negative feelings I use them to generate my activism going forward so thank you everyone for tuning in I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Carp Strong Class the Christmas special it's been good I really enjoy these longer form chats it gives me more of a time to talk to you about all different topics a range of different topics and the next Carp Strong Class will probably have a guest if we don't it will be me again but we'll be talking about something interesting but thank you all for tuning in and stay vegan and I'll see you all in the next video or the next podcast peace


This is the SF Productions podcast network This is a tape on the Indian. Let me hook this up here. Let me see what we got.  Back with us to the 60s and 70s, the dwelling place of the lost generation. An era whose heroes, role models, and very lives were molded and formed by weekly installments of favorite television programs. Welcome to the place your parents didn't understand. Welcome to the vast wasteland. Welcome home. For an exciting episode of Vast Wasteland, I'm your host, Mark Schmabar along with Wilbur Neal and Marty Wiley, and we're here to talk about 60s and 70s television. Well, all the things that have been happening lately in the movies and on television, what with the new Simpsons show and the new Jetsons movie, animation is certainly starting to move back up as far as a viable art form and also a commercial art form. So, tonight we decided to go ahead and really start to get into some of the animation and what better to start with than the animation of Hannah Barbera. Yeah. So, we're going to turn the thing right over to Marty tonight with a little report of the history of Hannah Barbera. Take it away, Marty. Thank you. This is my report on Hannah Barbera. By Marty Wiley. Okay, basically these guys are old. Anyway, Barbera, his name is not Barbara. Mr. Barbera, anyway, Barbera, whatever, he was born in New York City in 1911 in an Italian family. And he said Disney was his inspiration. And his first job was with... Oh, don't play all. Yeah, everybody says that. Yeah, Disney inspired me too, right. His first job was with the Max Fletcher, the people who did Popeye and Betty Booth and Neal. Good, black and white cartoons for the cinema. He actually quit that job after four days because he didn't think there was a future in it. But through a friend, he found a job with Terry Toones that was just starting up. And they did, like, Heckel and Jekyll. Heckel and Jekyll, that's our name. Okay, but Disney actually put Terry Toones out of business. So, he had to find another job. He kind of moved on out west, left the East Coast. At the same time, the Hannah Guy, he was, like, grew up on the West Coast. Well, they have first names, too, you know. Yeah, like Joe and something. Yeah, like Hannah and William Barbera. Yeah, like Joe and Bill or something. Okay, well, anyway, he first started working with the Harmonizing Company, who was doing Looney Tunes and Mary Melodies. Yeah, those things. That was the Leon Schlesinger. Schlesinger. That was that group. In 1933, they broke with their group, and they started out with, started doing Looney Tunes. And about the same time, well, Hannah didn't break with them. He stayed with the Harmon Group, and they went with MGM. And MGM was forming their company that they were doing cartoon movie theaters. Am I boring you? Where's your brother?  That's the MGM lion. Well, that was sick. Not a very good one. Yeah, yeah. Okay, anyway, the guys met. They got together in 1938 while working for MGM. And together, they created a... Joe, Bill, Bill, Joe. Yeah, it felt like that. A cartoon called Puss Gets the Boot. And Puss Gets the Boot was the basis for Tom and Jerry. And they worked on Tom and Jerry for like 17 years. They were the artists and writers of this cartoon.  And then MGM said, we're not making cartoons anymore. And they just closed shop one day. Yeah, basically. Well, Hannah Barbera decided since they got along so well together and everything to go out for this new wonderful media called Television. This was the late 50s. And that's when they created Rough and Ready. And in order to create this, TV did not allow very much money. It was like $3,000 per cartoon. And they were used to like a $30,000 budget. Tough breaks, guys. So they went back to an old animation technique that was called Limited Animation and basically your character's just talking, might wave or, yeah, and use the same background for the five minute cartoon. And you notice that when they run or something, their body stays straight and their feet might move. Yeah, that's limited animation. They went back. And their mouth was open or closed. So that like, you know, drastically went down on the quality. People know of the old Tom and Jerry cartoons. They're very beautiful. Of course they were created with a huge budget. They lost the detail. They lost the quality, but they saved like a whole bunch of money. And they got to have long extended houses and things there. Run along and they run past that same window or that same door several, several times. Well, that's limited animation. I don't particularly care for it, but it did bring us a lot of characters because from Rough and Ready, they went on with the Huckberry Hound with Yogi Bear, who really got him like boo-koo money. Okay, Yogi. Okay, and then it's like, in the 1960s, they were doing so well with the little short cartoons that they were able to move into primetime and do the Flintstones. Yeah. And that's where we got to start off. Because I know, as kids, we all watched the Huckleberry Hound show with the little five minute Diddy, Yaki Dool, all of those guys. All the same music. So basically, Yogi Bear got them in the door so they could do the Flintstones, which was primetime. Yeah, that's right. We were talking 7.30, I believe it was on. 7.30 was considered primetime. And they actually sold the show. Half of it was bought by the Reynolds Tobacco Company and half of it was bought by Miles Laboratory. Oh, real sponsors. That's how it was financed in the beginning. This show was on for six years. That's the amazing thing. I mean, of course, it's been on Saturday morning and it's syndication ever since, pretty much. But yeah, they went, what, 8.30 on Fridays and then like 7.30 on Thursdays and Fridays at 7.30 again. Yeah, and they also tried at first, like in 1960, the Flintstones started in 62. They tried it with the Jetsons in primetime, but it failed. Right. And so the Jetsons got whisked to Saturday morning where they did excellently. And there was only 24 until the new match came out. There were only 24 original episodes. The Flintstones on the Jetsons. The Jetsons. The Jetsons, only 24 episodes. They just was about three years ago or two years ago. They made the new batch, which are markedly inferior. But it did bring them up to like 45 episodes so they could handle syndication a lot better. And something I didn't know, this is what I learned during my report. If anyone gets to the Comedy Channel, that fortunate, and you watch Joe McDokes behind the eight ball. The actor's name is George O'Hanlon. He's George Jetsons voice. Wow. Isn't that amazing? Wow. I'm so excited. And then the, okay, Jane Jetsons voice was done by Penny Singleton, who had been blondie for ever and ever in the theaters. In those movies, which are real cute. But this was something that Hannah Barbera had to do, that they hadn't had to do before, was find voices. Because Tom and Jerry was noise. They didn't, they rarely, rarely ever spoke. And they only had really one voice. And that was Mammy Two Shoes, whatever it was. Mammy Two Shoes was about the only, and then Tom did say a few words.  Which is just, it's funny. Okay, trust me, it's funny. So really the two big names that work, and one still works for Hannah Barbera is Don Messick. And the late Dawes Butler worked for them up until his death in 1988. So those guys are pretty much the voice of everybody. Yep. Well he didn't, didn't, didn't Mel do like Barney. Mel Blank also did quite a bit. Mel, Mel usually did background characters or at work. Like one-time guests. Right, right. Was Barney. Right. Parkingmoreland did a lot of voices for the Flintstones. Spacely too. Yeah, I believe he was Mr. Spacely. Okay. But he wasn't really the major, major. Right. Major, major. Which is, which is what caused problems when they did shows like that in the 70s when they did, when Hannah Barbera I think realized that we have the copyrights to thousands of characters that we only use for like one season. So they put them all into one show which is why you saw that show with the, I can't remember the name of the show. Not the, not the Yogi's Race. Yogi's Space Race or whatever. There were several. The Olympic thing. Yeah. The one with Yogi's arc and all that. That's when people realized that there weren't all that many people doing the voices because a lot of characters had the exact same voice. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Dawes Butler did lots and lots of voices but he changed. He was like Huckleberry Hamlet with the Southern Draw. Right. He was Top Cat. Right. He had that voice. He was Yogi Bear also. So he had, you know, a rank. If you ever noticed all the Hannah Barbera superhero guys, they all had the same voice. Yeah. And they were all Gary Owens, weren't they? Most of them. Quite a few of them were. The Phantom guy. The Blue Falcon. The Blue Falcon. The Blue Falcon.  Dinomut. Dinomut. Well here's sort of. The Blue Falcon, buddy. If we can get a person on this.  It's got. Dick Dastardly and Mutley. There we go. It's got Oggie Doggy in it. I mean that's basically like everybody who like really made it famous in the early 60s. Top Cat's in there. I don't know, you just see them all in there. Exactly as the robot thing. What is that? I forget. I don't know. I think that's something they just made up. Yeah, that wasn't it. Yeah, we've got to put a new character in it so it's a new show. That's my big. Yeah, I don't like it that they put all the characters in. Right. Yogi's Space Race and Yogi's Treasure Hunt. The Laugh Olympics. The Laugh Olympics. All that stuff was like, crappy. Well that's, we're jumping ahead there because there's like a lot of good single shows that were in between there. Which one you want to talk about? I got the book. Okay, well. Yeah. We'll talk and she'll show the book. Okay, like in the mid 60s there and then work up to the 70s we had a lot of the adventure, the good adventure shows. Well, well Johnny Quest, we didn't look at that. Johnny Quest was, it started off in primetime and that was probably the first good adventure cartoon although I'm sure a colleague over here is going to say something about the animation and everything. When you're a kid, you don't look for perfection really. You're looking for the story there. I was always looking for the action personally. This is Johnny Quest for kids that don't know. This is Johnny Quest. This is his friend Haji who was like, picked up on the streets in India and just stayed with the quests forever. Ever. And this is Bandit, the only dog in Hanna-Barbera's library that doesn't have an obnoxious whiny bark. He doesn't have a bark, doesn't have a laugh. Yeah, Bandit Bark.  It's like a real dog. Bandit's the only real dog. And of course, Johnny Quest played by Tim Matheson. Yeah, Tim Matheson. They never really had to be in the Animal House. Just several other movies there. We just saw him the other night and something there. 1941. 1941. Yeah, he's in there. Got it. But then, okay, we go along here and we've got other adventure shows. We had Space Ghost. That was probably... Do the voice. Space Ghost! Ah! Ah! Space Ghost. That was great action choices. Now, Space Ghost pretty much works real nice on this limited animation because space always looks the same. This is true. You're always going to see the same background, but it's always going to be stars. You've got Jan and Jace there, the twins, and I think Jan, well, Jan's the girl, isn't it? Yeah, Jan's the girl. Jan's the girl. I think she had one of the voices that's reoccurred through Hannah Barbera and quite a few other cartoons. Pamela Ferdin. Oh, she's like... I think we'll talk more about her in another show, but Pamela Ferdin, she's always showing up in these darn things.  It was them. Blip. Blip. Blip the space monkey. I'm never fond, really, of the sidekick animals. I mean, give me the adventure, but I think they could have left the sidekick animals out. Like, you had that one. Okay, then you have...   Leave the dog at home. Well, they couldn't really. It's like they... I know you travel a lot, kid, but put him on a leash. Exactly. There's none of those dogs for everyone on a leash. This is strong. The little monkey could have been on a leash. Broken leash laws, major infraction in most big cities. Not in space. In space, no one can break your leash. And if that leash does break well, back out of his blip, just float away. No way. Space goes, turn around. We've lost grip. It's too bad. Oh, sorry, kids. We can't turn around now. We're after the mantis, sir. So then they had... Well, Space Ghost was in the future. Then they jumped back to the past. They had Mighty Maitor. Oh, it's going to make me look for Mighty Maitor. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Mighty Maitor and Shira was his girlfriend. Ooh. That sounds close to something.  It's a dodo bird or something that he would fly around on and he would pretend to be Maitor. They could have left him at home, too. They could have left both of them.  We don't need those guys. But no, they had to have them, too. And then, well, let me see. There was the Moby Dick cartoon. Well, that's got two little tiny... And it had two kids and what, a seal or something. A seal named Scooby, which brought us to Canada Barbera's other big one. And I think they said, I think, well, I grew up late near Kings Island, so I heard a lot of propaganda. Scooby-Doo was supposedly the one that raked in the most dough and the ones kids wanted to see more often, then Fred Flintstone or anybody else. Wow. Well, that's kind of true because Scooby- That was in the 70s when the Big Mecca Kings Island opened there. Yeah, Scooby just kind of appealed to kids. He and Shaggy probably appealed more to kids than Freddie. And who was it? Freddie and Thelma and... Thelma and Freddie. Well, here's a quick quick. What's the other girl's name? Daphne. Daphne. Lovely little Daphne. Well, that's Scooby there, not Scrappy, dude. This is Scooby. This is Scooby. This is Scrappy who's obnoxious, but Scooby-Doo's pretty cool. You know, it was a cool show.  They always wanted to eat and then when something scary happened, they ran away from it. Do you think that it's possible that Scooby-Doo might have been an ancestor of Astro? Well, this is quite possible. Look at that voice. In the same... Big old great day. In the same line. In the same, yeah. And it's like as they go further into space, then they just turn blue or something. That's very possible, because I mean, you know, here's Astro. Okay, a little grave, but it's like sometimes you'll see Astro. He's blue, man. Like what in space and in the future, have they know heat? That's like a major thing I've noticed in Hanna-Barbera. A lot of the characters have gone through color change. Well, yeah. Cindy Bear. Right. She was sort of off brown. She turned blue. It's like, well, they put her in deep freeze for something. Well, put her in deep freeze till we need her. Then we pull her out and she's blue. And when they revived Tom and Jerry, Tom's gone to blue. Yeah, Tom is blue. They... It's a blue-gray. It must be a cheap color. They got gallons of it. So let's just probably take a paint brush and do them all. And little Jerry Mouse has gone through different shades of brown. I don't know.  Be it just the color of the character. Well, you'd think that once they got along there, they would improve the color. No. It's like the further along they go, the worse the color gets. It's like, we leave these stills out in the sunshine or in a bright light so the color just fades out of them or something. And they started using the cheap computer animation, which I really noticed really more in the later 70s. Right there. And I kind of stopped watching cartoons. I just stuck them all together there in the same thing. You can actually do some wonderful things with computer because parts of the new Jetson movie actually have some computer animation, but it's not the cheap computer animation stuff. This was the beginning stuff. In the mid-late 70s, when they just started using the computers a lot and stuff, and it was more like they were playing and I think it got cheap there for a while.  And the characters weren't that like they were doing the combinations. And they added Scooby-Doo's entire family in order to keep that show going. Scooby-Doo, Scooby-Doo, Scooby-Doo. Scrappy-Doo. That went on forever. I mean, yikes. Doopie-Doo. I know one of my favorites when I was a kid was Top Cat. Not Top Cat, hey. And they pretty much he's been, well, this is Top Cat at Officer Dibble. Hey, they've got the song over there. And they've got the song over there. Top Cat. Okay. This was like a real cool part, too. This poor character who was like, he was like a major star.  He was like major, okay? So now he's like, what do they do? He had that whole band of cats, and they all had such neat personalities. And what do they do? They shovel Top Cat onto the Yogi Space Race art picture. Yeah, some sort of deal. And the whole character of Top Cat is lost now. The lost characters. You lose Top Cat. You have, well, let's jump back here to the 60s, early 70s. You had the whole wacky races. There were several cars in the wacky races. You have Peter Perfect in his We've got cars down here. This is the amazing thing. In his Well, whatever it's called. I can think it was Thunderbolt Greaselapper, but that's not his car. Tom Slick. He's had some kind of big powerful car there. And there's Penelope Pitstop there. What's there? The compact pussycat was her car. You have Dick Dastardly in his mean machine or whatever it was called. There we go. You have the the creepy the creepies in their creepy mobile. It grew some twosome in their creepy mobile. That's who they were. But then they were always racing to get Dick Dastardly. Because he was always trying to make everybody else lose. He was always doing something sneaky to make everybody else lose. Always had these wonderful gadgets so he could actually the wacky races is based on the great race. The great race because you've got the evil character in there. A lot of his things they took right and put them into Dick Dastardly. You can watch the great race by Jack Lemon. If you look at the cars it's like there's a lot of stuff ripped out of that car. Exactly. The rockets on the back are in their part. This thing in the front here in the great race they use it to melt snow. Here's the two movies they say they use the great race and those magnificent men in their flying machine. Dick Dastardly and the Yankee Doodle Pigeon well that whole show there that's his whole crew. That grew off of the from the wacky races there so they did base a lot of that on that too. It's like once they had the wacky races okay then they chose they took out Penelope Pitstop put her in a show the perils of Penelope Pitstop and they took Dick Dastardly out and put him in the show where they're chasing Penelope Pitstop and the ant hill mob and they stick them in there and then from there they just yanked further and put them into one of those other darn shows too which was really something. Dick Dastardly went a long way because he shows up in the Yogi Bear show. He shows up in the stuff well Mutley's probably the most prolific dog for not keeping the same character that had a Barbara has. Actually Mutley started in the 18th century it was Mugger Mugger Mugger Okay Mugger Come on Mugger Give me back my hand Come on Mugger It's like they clicked on that they clicked on that obnoxious doggy and he's been Mutley forever Yep and he's gone through a lot of color changes Yes he has He's been gray he's been brown He's gone from brown to gray to blue and see he's another one he's just throw him in one of our better characters were cryogenically preserved So who knows what happened to Disney but then we've got other great there were other great adventure cartoons back there too there were Frankenstein Junior and the impossible Frankenstein Junior was this great big gigantic robot and it was this little kid that rode around with him buzz and they lived up in this mountain somewhere and they flew around and they saw a man there was fluid man and there was Coyle man and they went around and they saw different crimes too Well of course the crimes that they solved were pretty much the same ones that Scooby-Doo saw which were pretty much the same ones that Josie and the Pussycat had to solve Witch Cassidy everyone basically it was always the same crime Well in in fact see now I like the adventure the adventure shows better because Josie and the Pussycats it was like they seemed fantastic but then it just boiled down to somebody that was just trying to swindle some money off of somebody or something it was nothing really great there were no ghosts there are no monsters it's all just people and that just kind of ruins the effect of a cartoon or something you're here you're Hollywood you can do whatever you want you can get people to believe somebody in a suit he's oh he's projecting a picture over here so it's not really a ghost he's just trying to scare you and he wants to get the money away from the rich widow who's always going to have a heart attack or something it's just and then I think it's like a shame what they've done to the Flintstones I don't know if we want to get into that because from what I've been told we have like maybe a minute or so left so we have I've certainly more than one material for show number two we'll have that next time so very exciting it's a two part it's a two part so we'll be continuing and hey just so you remember we're on Tuesdays at six Wednesdays at ten and Thursdays at 3 p.m. here at Vast Wasteland so hey if it's not just the next time we might finish up with Hanna-Barbera so we might get into some of the other cartoons too sure why not if we finish up with these guys what the heck but hey so for all of us here at Vast Wasteland we'll see you next time with more Hanna-Barbera good night everybody wait a minute


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