Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast. I am your host as always, Nathaniel Rumpeljantz, otherwise known as Mr. Nintendo Prime. I'm just going to go fix some of these audio settings quick. It's coming from Mike's end. Mike is just doing his thing back there apparently. Miss counted the countdown. There he is, there he is. Yeah, it's all right. There he is. If Mike's just like talking in the back, I don't really, I don't know what is going on. Let's go mute him quick. Anyways, you're fine, you're fine. How's it going everyone? Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast. We have some brand new people that we've never had on before. And so we're starting our podcast every single time, introducing ourselves, what we do, where we can find our stuff at, and what have we been playing lately? And we're actually going to start with the three pack of newbies down below because I'm actually really interested because I'm pretty much meeting them for the first time just like all of you right now. So let's start with Nightcrawler 724. Hey, how's it going? Crawler coming at you. Yeah, it's going really well. I am one of the co-hosts of the Nintendo powercast with Johnny and Cheezy down here with me and also N64 Josh, which I believe he's hanging out in the chat a little bit. But we just get together every week and talk Nintendo similar to what you guys do. So we're excited to be here. You want to do what we're playing right now? So I'm excited for a side order, we're just coming up here in a little bit. So I've been playing some of the single player stuff. I finally got around to finishing that in Splatoon 3 here about a week, week and a half, two weeks ago. And finally got my 80 hours in on Xenoblade 3 and finished up that operation. Nice, nice. Can you enjoy it?  I need to do the DLC stuff now that I've finished the story. Have fun with Future of Deem. That's great, especially if you play the other ones. You'll love it. Yeah, so and then slacking on my Final Fantasy 7 remake completion. So I've been working on that a little bit on PlayStation before Leap Day gets here and we get second part. There we go, nice. All right, John, what's up? I'm glad to be here, thanks for having us. I'm John Ebo, I'm John Ebo everywhere, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, the Nintendo Powercast and Communication Air with Cheezy. You might know me from my popular hits from Piracy is Bad. Yes. And Mortal Kombat on Nintendo Switch. I think I got them to try to fix it. And that was all you then, it was all you. It was all me. It was all me. Thank you, I appreciate it. They've released a statement like right after I posted that video. So it's only fair. Quote tweeted on IGN as well. Yeah, exactly, it's on IGN. Dude, IGN is covering you at your big time. It was clearly because of you. Exactly, exactly. But I've been playing Pokemon. I feel dirty saying it, but I've been playing Pokemon. Which one? The latest one? Scarlet Violet, I've been trying to beat the DLC. All right, what do you think? Are you in the Indigodist DLC or the first DLC? I'm in Teal Mask. It's actually, it's harder than I was expecting. I tried to make a new team, but I was not leveled up enough. And I got bodied by the guy. I don't even know his name. But he bodied you. No, I don't, I don't read. I don't read in the games. I just kind of, well, I thought you were going to say you don't read in general. I was like, well, that's, I mean, I don't read. But I also like shiny cardboard.  Okay, yeah, the cards. All right, all right, all right. That's good. Cheesy. What's up? What's going on? Hey, I'm Cheesy. Cheesy, C64, pretty much everywhere. C-H-E-Z-Y-C-64. I've mostly been playing Splatoon 3, just because I'm excited for Side Order. And I decided, you know, before Side Order, I would go in 100% it, the story mode. Like I did all the kettles before, but you have to like beat it with all the different weapons. And I wanted to see what you get for that. And it turns out you don't get anything except for just bragging rights on a podcast. So, yeah. I mean, at least in Sears of the Kingdom, if you do all the Koroks, you get a golden poo again. Because we did it in the second one. If you do all the Koroks. Was that true? Yeah. They gave you a golden poo. The same reward is breath of the wild. The same reward is breath of the wild. They couldn't even like make it look different. It's like the same thing. Maybe they just figure it's kind of pointless. No one should do it. So why should we give you something else? I think they probably didn't because they... I did like the Koroks puzzles a bit in that one. It's two for two. Yeah. There we go, there we go. Crawler got it. There we go. Wow. Was that a number two joke? Oh, here we go. Yes, it was. All right, Eric, my best friend, though. What's going on? What are you been playing lately? I played a little bit of Madden before this. Oh, yeah.  And then I was also playing some Tears of the Kingdom. Still just running around the depths, trying to find Light Roots because I completed the shrines not too long ago.  Yeah. That was Light Root City. Let's go. Light Roots made it easier to find the shrines, though. I'm surprised you did it that way. He's doing it in the opposite. I don't know. Here's what it is. Depths are fun and on the radar. I can just eat in the upper world. Not to find the Light Roots, it's like, oh, hey, here we go. All right, Nishquick, welcome back to the show. Haven't had you in a while. Yeah, it's been a while. Hey, guys, I'm Nishquick. I cover Nintendo and JRPGs on my channel, Nishquick Pops. And recently, I've been playing the amazing and stylish and very addictive Persona 3 Reload. And I've been playing it on, I got it on Steam because I recently got a Steam Deck in November. So I was like, hey, this is not on Switch, but I can play it on Steam Deck and still get that handheld experience. But I am 95% certain this is coming with the next generation Switch or Switch 2. Because, I mean, we'll talk a little bit about that later probably, but I am very, very certain that this and like a few more Atlas games are coming. But yeah, it's been a very fun game and I'm very excited for also, Nightcrawler was saying Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. I'm very, very excited for that. The state of play even hyped me up a bit more. So I'm a little nervous for some story stuff, but I'm mostly excited. And yeah, that's what I've been up to. All right, man. Mike. Yeah, what's up? What's going on? How are you? I don't know who I am lately. I just, I've lost myself and I'm trying to figure out who I am now. Well, you better hit the question block. Maybe it'll let you know. All right, man. Life is like about to talk like never know what you're going to get, you know? It's like that. What's up? Just quick, Eric and Nightcrawler, John Ebo, by the way, pretty clean. And Cheesy, my favorite name of all. Cheesy, what's up, man? What's going on? Thank you for being, thank you for the invite. Don't pick his name over mine. That's not cool. So yeah, it's been good. Thank you for the invite. Good, glad to be back. And games? I've been playing Spider-Man 2 a lot. I love that game. I already beat the entire thing 100%. I just like swinging around for a reason and fighting crimes, right? You know, I'm waiting for that DLC. Hopefully it comes one day. And in Nintendo's side, Mario Wonder, Tears of the Kingdom, and this little blob game that came up. Let me see if I can find the name of it. So we could game? But it's so addictive, man. Super addictive. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How do I'm about? Where is it? Is that one right there? The that one right there? Oh, yeah, that is a Sega game, right? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I see Metroid Prime and Gaster. That's what I'm all excited about. It's called Suka game, right? Suka? Suka? Suka? For some reason, it's taking, you know what? It has taken my number one spot over Mario, Mario Wonder, Tears of the Kingdom, Metroid Prime, and Master. Number one spot of like. That is, no, that's what I'm talking about. It's like, it's a fruit that you drop first, right? If you drop the same fruit, it turns into another fruit bigger. And then yeah, that game's been pretty popular for a bit now. It was originally only in Japan, but it's obviously finally in the U.S. So yeah, and it's the kind of game that we have. You have no clue what to play, but that went on. And just spend some time in there. But yeah, a lot of people like it. A lot of people. I have not 100% of Tears of the Kingdom, you know, the depths, I'm terrified of the depths. I'm terrified of the depths. I still haven't defeated it. They haven't put the lights on down there yet, Mike. That might be a problem. I know, I'm terrified to turn the lights on. They're too far away. I'm like, I don't want to go. It's too far away. It's just one bright bloom seed away. What? Yeah, it's just one bright bloom seed away.  Do you know what that is?  Yeah, that makes trees with a little hump at the middle. No, that's the light root. That's the light root. It's the things you attach to your arrows. You can throw them. Oh, yeah, those little glowing plants. Yeah, yeah, I never, one thing Nate knows and you guys will learn, I never learned the name of anything. I just hope the name can play it. Like ask me what Pokemon is what? Like, oh, I don't know. That's the yellow one. Remember Shinies aren't real. Yeah, Shinies aren't real. I've never caught a shiny in my life. I just got one like yesterday. Yeah, it's not real. That's not real. You know, I ran away from my first Shinies because I thought it was a glitch. I was like eight years old and I was like, why is this Spiro like golden? This isn't right. And then I ran away from it. And then like a month later, my friend was like, hey, look, my Zubat is green. I was like, maybe I should have caught that Spiro. No, you did right. You ran away. That was the right choice. Yeah, that was the right choice. That was the only choice. All right. Well, you guys know who I am? I am Nintendo Prime. We, let me see. What I've been playing lately is pretty easy because I've been doing it on my channel. For those that don't know, I started doing vertical YouTube short streams and we've been playing Ocarina of Time. Yeah. And we are now, let me see, two dungeons down in the adult side and now we're in the water temple, which, I know I do not like the water temple. We might be here the rest of the week. I have no idea. Do you think playing this game will refresh your memory on the ending? You know what? I had to bring that. I'm not getting slammed. Context, people don't know. This is like two years ago, I had this big thing right where I swore the ending of Ocarina of Time was this one thing and it totally wasn't. And I argued about it for like an hour. And then finally on our podcast, I just literally watched it.  I remember you made a video the next day where you were like, guys, let me explain. This was, this was embarrassing that I remember. And as I'm playing through, I had not played through this game since it came out on, not originally, but when it came out on the 3DS, I beat it one time and then I never, I know I haven't played it again since then. So, but the chats helped me get through it and everything and zoom it through. Nothing's like a surprise. I know everything that happens, but it's interesting going back and replaying the N64 version in particular, especially the water temple, when I'm quickly reminded that switching back and forth from the boots really sucks. Yeah. You played on Switch, Wii U, 3DS? I played it on Switch on NSO. Yeah, so. What controller are you using? Just a normal pro controller. Okay. Yeah, we're the steeper, we're all on the right stick, or you get two of them here and here. Yeah. And then you still have to use the stick for three. Yeah. I remember I played a Star Fox 64 on, N64 online with that. And I'm so used to playing that game with a GameCube controller, because that's how I did on the Wii Virtual Console. And then playing it on a pro controller, I was like, well, this is way too many buttons to press at once. But it's, I'm having a decent time. I mean, look, it's Zelda. I love Zelda. There's another Zelda game that I actually hate. Like even Phantom Hourglass, I talk about it like, I think it's a bad game. I still, look, it's got Link, it's got Zelda. It's got lineback, and lineback's pretty cool. So in the end, I end up having fun with it, even though I'm not the biggest fan of it. Yeah. There is a bad Zelda game. Are you blizzard on it? Scarlet Sword, Scarlet Sword. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, do you guys, do you see how his tag says Cheesy is always wrong? You guys now know who's always wrong. I'll put me in your last pocket. I'm sorry, okay, I'll leave. I think my references is like the worst one. And me too. What, what are you both, what is going on?  You shouldn't play those. What, we all know tears of the kingdom. Well, here we go. Trash. We're almost at just, what is, what is happening? I am the world's number one pirate. We need to come in and defend. Link's Awakening, number one. Link's Awakening, number one. Holy crow. Link's the path number two. I know the top, it's just- Link is the number one, Zelda II defender. I know that. Yeah. Yeah, Zelda II is amazing. I like the top down ones. And besides tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild, my favorite. I like the top down ones with the little Link, the little guy Link was here, friends like. Okay. All right, all right. I'm going to try not to have a heart attack over here. I don't know what is happening right now. Forgive me. I guess I didn't play Zelda, my bad. I was playing like Mario Kart instead, okay? Geez.  Because then I just don't even know. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Mario Kart, Mario Kart is one of the best ones. You don't hate Mario Kart. The SNES one. Oh, geez. All right. That feels like bait. I don't feel like bait. It is. I have no clue what I'm talking about. All right. And for those of you who don't know, just to let everyone know, and I did see we got a super chat coming in. If you guys want to submit questions, our third topic is always Q&A topics. If you guys in the chat want to submit questions, if you're watching our live version, it's just as little as $2. And you can submit your question, we'll answer whatever. And it can be for one of us, it can be for the whole panel, it doesn't really matter.  If it's a super chat that you do that's just related to what we're talking about, I'll probably just throw it out while we're talking. Let's get to the elephant in the room. Topic number one. Hey, hey, hey, I'm losing weight, okay? I'm losing it. Okay. I've lost 10 pounds and I need to go there. I thought you liked Mario Wonder, but I was just talking about elephant Mario, okay? Elephant Mario. Anyways, the elephant in the room is, where is this damn Nintendo Direct? Oh boy. Been an interesting day for me, at least. I'm sure it's been an interesting day for many people. Because Universal Nintendo stated last week, quite emphatically, that it was going to happen today. Another insider, Nate the Hates, that would probably be a partner showcase, but then he kind of was gone all week until today when he's responded to some people. And on top of that, if things weren't worse, because this is what happens, people always feel like the goalposts just keep getting moved. Jeff Grubb came out today and he actually said this on Tuesday, but nobody paid attention. So he repeated it again today that the source that he had in the past, Jeff Grubb from Giant Bomb, who informed him way back when, when the queen died in the UK, that the Nintendo Direct was going to be delayed for that. He was the person who broke that story. That same source he had told him earlier this week that Nintendo was in deep discussions on possibly delaying a Direct this week due to the Xbox show scheduled on Thursday. And it might sound weird, we're going to get to the Xbox stuff later, so we're not really going to dive into that here. Because, you know, we can get into the, oh, wasn't even, look, there wasn't anything there, or should they have run? Okay, we'll talk about that later. But that I find to be obviously quite fascinating. But again, it's always one of those things because people didn't pay attention on Tuesday, now it just sounds like a convenient story from another insider moving goalposts around. There's a username Brazil over on Familyboards being like, hey, I used to make all the Directs and like it absolutely was scheduled for today, but it is happening next week, blah, blah, blah. Look, I don't know what's going on. And then on top of that, is it a general? Is it a mini? Like Jeff Jones calling it a Nintendo Direct, but then like, hey, it was like it's a partner showcase. And now everyone's like, we don't know what's going on. So what's going on? And we're only getting closer to Pokemon Day too. Yeah, Pokemon Day, it's certainly not next week. That's going to be a mini Pokemon day. A little wiggle room. Who wants to go for, I don't even know. I will say something. I just realized something. And when you said like, oh, we don't know the format of the Direct, is it a general, is it a mini or is it a partner? I feel like if the partner Direct is small enough, they could change that partner Direct into a general Direct. If you like, imagine they already have that partner Direct, they just cut up the partner Direct and like edit it in a way that makes it a general Direct and then film like, what's his name, Takahashi on camera, then they can actually make it a general Direct. But maybe the original plan was a partner Direct, but then because of the Xbox stuff and things that are happening now, maybe next week it might be a general, but I'm still like, I'm not keeping my hopes up for a general, I think it's going to be a partner. And I'm- I don't think there's enough content there for a general. Yeah. I think this is gonna be a mini- I think the only big things are Zelda remasters, Metroid remasters and Fire Emblem remake. That's what the caveat of that general be is switch to being revealed next month. Yeah. I believe it. It's a tease, but then it's, they do its own thing like they did back in January of 2017. Yep, tease. And then two months later, a month later, we get the presentation and then release. Yeah. They also tweeted everything that would be in a Direct. Yeah. Yeah, they tweeted ease 10, which is like that's a big deal. So they told it to argue with that before every Direct, Nintendo always goes on a little rampage of tweeting games out there because there's a lot of developers who try to make it into the Direct. They don't make it into it. And so Nintendo kind of takes that little batch and always retweets a lot of games right before a Direct or same week of. So- You think they forgot to cancel the scheduled tweets then today? I guess. I mean, when I saw them retweeting or tweeting a lot of games, I thought, wait, they're gonna announce it tomorrow then or they're gonna announce it later on today because I've always thought that as a sign of them kind of getting ready. Not every game makes it. Twitter is there for them and, you know. Yeah. I remember before every Direct is usually announced people will like, oh, Twitter Direct. Oh, it's gonna be a Twitter Direct. Yeah. So you see what you're getting at there. Yeah, but to answer the next question, I think it's gonna be a Direct mini, mini because part of the showcase are normally third party games, right?  And then everything else could be third party and stuff like that. They put Silk Song in it. It's big time. Yeah. I mean, that's all early matters. You're not getting Silk Song this year, Collin. And it's a general speed up. Every year is Silk Song's year. And I made a post today that was the reason why Mario vs. Donkey Kong is coming out tomorrow is because Nintendo is toying with us and they know it. Like, I love what they're doing right now. This is very typical Nintendo where they all know we're so hungry for a Direct and they're just messing with us. They're like, no, you don't get it this week. You want it next week? Maybe, who knows? But like, I also love that they have kind of shown everything that would have been in the Direct because like, we already know about those games. Think about if they were to show those in a Direct with the updates that we got this week. Like, that's prime for Twitter. We don't need that in a Direct. I want to see things that are completely new. Like, you know, Saga HD, which I'm still holding out to before. Completely new. You're right. HD and something that already exists. Completely new. Yeah, it would have been in a partner showcase. Like, I don't know. Like, if there is a partner showcase, the two things I'm most looking forward to are Team Asano's new game. Cause I'm sure there's going to be like a Bravely game My biggest hope is Chrono Trigger remake. Cause I feel like there's something happening with Chrono Trigger. And then my second biggest hope. I love how much hope you have for things that don't happen. I love that. They need to do Chrono Trigger. They need to do Chrono Trigger. They do, just like they did Live Alive and Octagon HD. They did Chrono Cross. If they do Chrono Cross, why aren't they doing Chrono Trigger? And the thing is like Square Enix is like mentioning Chrono Trigger a lot. Yeah. The anniversary and the music and all that. And they're doing the same with Xenogears, but that's not going to happen. I would love it to give it like an Octopath kind of look. Yeah, HD 2D edge. Yeah. Nate, I have an answer for the Nintendo Direct, why they moved it, but it also involves a little bit of the Xbox thing. I'll leave it to you whether I can answer that or not. Sure. I'll reach over there and strangle you if it's too much. No, it's not. It's not too much.  It has happened in the past. So we can't really rule that out. And of course, Microsoft and Xbox, they have a good relationship. They do. And the only reason I believe that this will be moved is that first thing, look at the outrage that happened online with the other company. I'm not gonna say too much because I don't want to go through that. But outrage, you know, that that, oh my God, my God, third party's going third party. Blip, blip, blip, blip. You know, it didn't happen. It's not happening. But they did mention there was four games that were coming, you know? What are these four games were to be announced in the Nintendo Direct? And so if they would have not done the presentation and Nintendo were talking about these four games, you know, the storm that would have came up, it's true, they are going third party, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip. You know, I'm like, so I'm guessing this, you know, the Xbox person, you have to have it first in order to when Nintendo shows that hard to present to whatever and they show on that rushed game and then they come with these four games that, you know, people know, okay, they talked about it here. It's not that they're going third party, it's that these four games are actually coming to Nintendo Switch. So they have to kind of rearrange the, when the Nintendo Direct would be in order to ease what's happening because it was getting out of line. A lot of people were just insults. But we're talking about that early. Yeah, I think some of that also had to do with when it, I firmly believe one of the games is in this Direct, wherever this Direct is, one of them, and it wasn't, and Microsoft wasn't planning to do the podcast this week. It wasn't supposed to happen. I think it was supposed to drop there and then Microsoft would drop their reaction next week. It was probably what the plan was, but then all those leaks and rumors were slapping so hard last week and there was so much outrage that Microsoft was like, man, we got to try to get out in front of this as much as we can. Let Nintendo know that we're going to do this thing. And then Nintendo obviously might have considered, okay, then maybe we'll hold off. Just please don't announce the game, what the games are in your thing if we're going to have it in our thing. So it could still be somewhat of a surprise, even though all the reports are out there about what the four games are. We'll get to that in the next topic. So we kind of already know. It was interesting they didn't name the four games at the, I didn't watch the podcast. Yeah, they just gave like really good details on what the games are. Yeah. Two community games and two smaller games. Two smaller games. Okay. They also mentioned that we will be listening, hearing about them soon through other. Yes. He said he didn't want to take the, take the wind out of anybody's sails for, for like their, their announcement. So. Yeah, their announcement. Something in a direct then for that announcement. So they said, oh, yeah, our next thing's in June. Okay. Well, that's not soon. Okay. I mean, and that's like, you're basically saying a director, something's happening. Like there's announcements coming from other companies for our games. Like it's, we just had a state of play. So you figure it's got to be Nintendo then that, that there were probably efforts in there. It all seems just a little weird. Cause Mike, I hear everything that you're saying, but they waited a whole week to basically just say that four games are going to the other console. Like we didn't have to wait a whole week for that. And they still could have had a direct this week. And that's why Nate was saying that this, this wasn't planned. This wasn't planned. This was like, it looks like everyone was like, yeah, I think it was something that they were thinking they might address next week. And they probably had like a different way they were going to do it. But then all of a sudden they're like, Oh man, everyone's all mad at us. We got to react now. Yeah. Cause the Xbox thing wasn't a live thing. It was prerecorded. It was just released at a certain time on YouTube. It was 20 minutes long. I think everyone was anticipating it being longer and actually getting the announcement. Cause they said it was the Xbox pod that, you know, the podcast that they do. And they're usually an hour long episode.  They're just going to, you know, answer the questions and do their things. And it might even be live. And then they're like, no, we're being very corporate. Which to me is like, that was not the plan. I don't think, but a lot of this though, kind of lends to the fact that, look, a lot of people are let down today.  You shouldn't believe them. They should always take them with massive truckloads of salt and everything. Rumors, literally the definitions of that is to be skeptical. It's not something we can prove. But the reality is the stuff was coming from people that seemingly have been reliable in the past. And that's what led to a lot of people being super excited for today, especially, let alone, you know, anytime this week, people just hoping for it. And to be fair, this goes beyond rumors. Nintendo themselves, eight of the last nine years they've done February Directs and they've always happened in the first two weeks. So like Nintendo set the expectation for something even if it wasn't gonna be a general Direct, which is what a lot of us would like a general. We'd like to see like a Metroid Prime 4 and some crazy stuff. But if the Switch 2 is actually gonna be revealed soon, then you can understand why they're holding all that stuff in until that reveal. And that presumes that, you know, here's the problem, didn't happen this week. And the rumors for the Switch 2 reveal are coming from the same people who said this week. So then it's like, do we doubt all the stuff for Switch 2 in March or do we just go, eh, this is a one-off. Maybe Jeff Grubb was right. And everyone didn't know what got pushed. It is what it is. Also, I will say this, if the Direct happens next week and there's an Xbox game in it, I think that's a confirmation that it probably got pushed. I think that's one thing when we could probably as a community agree on that, okay, then that Jeff Grubb story was probably correct. Because we're never gonna get a confirmation. Nintendo's never gonna come out and admit they pushed it because they didn't announce it yet. Like when they delayed the Queen one, they already announced the Direct. So like they had to address it. Another thing too, to consider is if they delayed it, there's probably nothing like mission critical in this Direct. Like no shadow drop games. No, because those have been scheduled to go up and go on sale. Break my heart. Yeah, I know, right? No major demos and nothing coming really soon. This is all gonna be like partner games coming out down the line to fill out the slate for Switch. The agreement they had with third parties to have them in a Direct spot. That's what it's gonna be. Yes. Well, here's the thing. We've heard some details of how those agreements work. Like third parties don't always know what Direct. Yeah, they don't know the format of it. Yeah, I think. But they're like the contract. They're going to be in a Direct. Like it's just going to happen. Nintendo has to do it. That's kind of weird how Nintendo does those contracts, but yeah, look, is there a Direct next week? That's how I got no. Am I Nintendo? I know Nintendo is in my username, but I'm not Nintendo. I don't have any sources on any of this stuff. And when plans change, not everyone is going to know. Like, I mean, Jeff Grubb was in the know, but maybe necrophily pay in. Nate, the hate didn't know, but it probably did happen. Insiders, like you said, it's a layup to guess that there's a Direct in February because it's history. February, June, and September. Speak that it should be happening. So just throwing that against the wall and hoping it sticks is not a farfetched thing. Yeah. And if it's a partner showcase, hey, the first person who told us it would be was Nate, the hate. So I mean, then technically he was right about the format, which is interesting because again, they haven't done a partner showcase in February like in a long, long time. So maybe even ever, I got to go back and check. The closest was a Nintendo mini I think in 2020, which was just a normal mini and that was in March. So. I think of the October partner showcases shadow dropped. Yeah, that was shadow dropped. Yeah. So was the mini in March. Yes, the mini in March or shadow dropped. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So that's why everyone's like, well, Nintendo shadow dropped before. They could do it again. Yeah, they absolutely could. We get it tomorrow. Do you think we get it right? I'm on a Friday. Early, early in the morning. That would be our first ever Friday Direct. We've never, yeah. Friday. I feel like there's never been a Friday Direct. I don't know. It's a Monday. A Monday one once. There was one on Monday. What was the Monday Direct? This was like back in the Wii U era. Yeah, like I don't think like a New Year's Eve directly. Yeah, they did an April Fool's Direct and they're like, this is no joke. This is not a joke. This is real. Like we're not lying. Was that the last week for a sports story when that came out? Was that just a tweet? Oh, a sports story was the summer 2022. Well, no, no, no, like the release because didn't like it was all of a sudden came out on New Year's Eve. Right? Or like a golf story might have done that. Sports story was an indie world in 2022. I think indie world or partnership case. There was like the advent calendar when they were. Oh, that's right. It was the final thing in the advent calendar. You're right. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, they knew it kind of just all of a sudden they didn't want to. I have a question, guys. When do you think if these games are even happening? Because I was very doubtful of some of these games, not all of them. But like ever since like 2021. But if Twilight Princess Wind Waker, Metro Prime 2 and 3 and Fire Emblem 4 Remaker happening, when are they announced if they even exist? Because I'm I'm still like skeptical on Twilight Princess Wind Waker. Well, so far we have five games already out for Nintendo Switch that are scheduled and, you know, we have another code. This month is Mario vs. Donkey Kong. Next month is Princess Peach. And then and then we have two more games without date, right? Those five games for this year. Yeah, not normally doesn't release a game or hasn't released a game at least for the last two years in December. They kind of end in the last big game for the year in November. But this is a switch to year. It's a transition year. So I don't know whether all those games are going to come out this year. You know, if they ever do, if maybe we get maybe one of those to kind of extend. I know that that apparently there's a that quote for them, President Fugacawa, that there's a point of the switch till 2035 in March, which is the end of the fiscal year that starts now next month. Yeah. So same thing. It's the same year. You know, it's like the same year. But I don't know. I think I think I think for for Twilight Princess and Wind Waker because they've already have a HD version on the Wii U why not just make the switch to and do what Twilight Princess works for? Exactly. You know, Twilight Princess and Wind Waker shouldn't I don't know. I I've talked about I've talked about this in the past, but I feel like other remasters are more of a primal remakes. All the remakes, on the other hand, this is no different beast. I don't think. Yeah, yeah. At the end of the switch, like the time remake. Well, in seasons, seasons and ages is rumor, too, right? Yeah, season. Yeah. By Grezzo, that could be a possibility. We're not getting another main line, Zelda for a while. So I think switch to launches will get what we get those remakes for for season the season's games, maybe the Ocarina of Time also. And then that'll give us kind of some way until we get the next all of that would just make me literally I might have a heart attack of excitement. Then I'm a heart attack of worry. Well, my thing is with a Metro Prime two and three, if four is coming out this year, it would be weird if Prime two and three come out after four. So I think either Metro Prime two and three are happening this year or never. But that also like depends on when Metro Prime four is coming. But also Fire Emblem for Remake is very interesting because it was supposedly done for like the past three or four years now because it was supposed to come out in between, engage. Sorry, in between three houses and engage and engage was supposed to come out in 2020, but it came out in 2023. So like, why are they holding on to Fire Emblem for for so long? Because I I was so certain it would be announced at the September Direct that I made like a tweet saying like Fire Emblem for I'm so excited to finally play this game. It's good. It's been so long. I never played the SNES version. I'm going to finally play it on Switch and then the next day. I was like, yeah, yeah, all my friends are like they got to find a way to tie it into the Fire Emblem heroes on on the mobile app. Yeah, yeah. Everything that's their moneymaker in Japan. So yeah, everything you're mentioning warrants in a full direct instead of mini or or or a showcase. Yeah, warrants a full direct.   The old people will be excited, I guess. But like it would be like another September Direct. Yeah, yeah, we saw sales numbers for primary mastered, right? And it wasn't great. It wasn't as good as I thought. And I don't even know how well Zelda remakes would do. Like Wind Waker would probably if that dual pack came out with Twilight Princess, it would probably do OK. But like again, it's not. I will say Link's Awakening sold more than Skyward Sword HD as much as I hate to hear that. And because it deserves it deserves it. Yeah, yeah. But then also tears of the kingdom fell off like this last this last. It only sold two million after the initial like 18 million it sold. I think it's because people know that that we have Swiss two coming and maybe they're just waiting for it to pay the price for the deluxe. Yeah, I was like, oh, man, this game is a little better. They killed hype for that saying they aren't making DLC too. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. Instead of just being quiet and the people wait, you know. Yeah, let us all assume we're getting it right. And then ruin our days. Yeah, later on. Well, I think the answer you were talking about Jeff Grubb for a moment. All I heard was I like Jeff Grubb.   Or did you just say in that? Beesies, cool guy, cool guy. I like Jeff Grubb. So he's like, you know, I was making an Anchorman reference. But I got it. I got it. I said, I got it anyway. The beer is pretty cool. I like Jeff Grubb. I like what he does. But there is a reason why he had to shave his hair. Yeah, yeah. Wrong about the Metroid. Not the Metroid. And we were. Remakes of when when Waker and Twilight Princess. A lot of people either. A lot of people miss that when Waker and Twilight Princess. There was a lot of things that was happening. It's like a layup, right? Like, oh, they're already HD versions. They're on the Wii U. They'll just bring them over eventually. Yeah.   He did it right on a live stream. He had his head shaved by by a buddy in a garage. He didn't go to some salon. It was a rough cut. It was bad. It was very bad.  Shadow drop. It's like, clearly, he knew it was done. He was just so confident they wouldn't wait like it's ready. He saw it. Either he saw it or Emily Rogers saw the game. Yeah. Oh, back in the rounders days. Yeah. Yeah. Like she was like, I've seen the game and it's not just a remaster. It's a very, very good remaster. Well, but she has also said that we're getting two and three, right? That's more of a Jeff Grubb thing. He was like, it's going to be they're going to come, but they're not going to be as remastered as one. Yeah. And he's kind of sad that it's learned after one. I'm not saying what is happening. It's just whenever it comes out, he comes out. What else can I shave? I don't know. I feel like he did donate his hair to the locks thing. So yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a lot of hair. Yeah, it was. It was. Oh, man. OK, so you guys all think we're going to interact next week? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it has to be next week. It can't be the week after. Yeah, I think because the week after is Pokemon, right? Yeah, we got his Pokemon. So that there will be a Pokemon presents. There's already stuff announced for the Pokemon. Like, yeah, that's on what the 27th is Pokemon Day 27. Yeah. Yeah. Next week, the next week, Pokemon presents. Then two weeks more, we get the Nintendo review. I love this. I love this pipe dream of like everything that's hidden. Like, that's what I like to hear. That's what I like. I want three out of four weeks to just be Nintendo blowouts. That's great. That's what Mario day. You can switch to Mario day, right? Isn't isn't the Swiss reveal have to happen before the game developer conference, right? That's what Nate, the hate said. He thought would happen because Nintendo because he basically Nintendo is going to be at the GDC. That's already confirmed.  They might want to talk to partners about it. And just like a GDC, what happened when they did it? Stuff leaked out. So it's a game. All things leaking out.  Yeah, yeah, because then it's not like a secret anymore. Everyone thinks Capcom has a switch to title with with the last one. I am. Oh, dude, totally. Now, the question is, well, there'll be a pre-order model. It's probably already two. Oh, yeah, for sure. Visions of honor, I think is a launch title because visions of honor doesn't even have a release date yet. Looks so good. It's just they're waiting. I think they're just waiting. We're just waiting for the switch. It's just kind of surprising that they put it in the Xbox thing. Like, yeah, maybe they just want to wait. They're like, look, we're really excited about this thing. It's really like practically done. We're not going to wait on Nintendo. We just want to get it out of here. We're just going to get it out of here. Yeah. Well, the only game they showed not on Game Pass. All right, I want to throw this out there. We're not saying there will be a direct next week. OK, we're just giving our opinion. This is this is what we feel is not that we're actually saying. I say it. Can I say? Yeah, it's OK. Well, look, if you want to say my sources say, yeah, it's like the fall. I don't care. Yeah, there's a Donkey Kong game, too. Donkey Kong three. You know what? You're welcome every week. You can take the fall for my whole channel every week. Actually, I saw, I think somebody tweeted at you. It was like Miss Stryker videos on that girl. Felipe Lima, hey, someone brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, what is that so intense, dude?  And then like I put out a tweet saying, I don't think it's happening, guys, because I kept getting DMs about it. I'm like, I just, you know, it was already like almost noon. I'm like, I don't think it's happening anymore. And you know what? I don't know if I'm going to cover Necro Felipe for a little bit. I'm going to wait till some of his stuff starts to search the hit. And apparently he took offense to that, probably because he was already being attacked. And he's like, you ever, ever cover anything I do again. I'm going to copyright strike your job. That's not really how. Oh, wow. I didn't see that. That's not really how that works, buddy.  Yeah, that was going around in our private discord. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't see that. It's literally like it can't be done. Like it's not that's not how it works. It's actually copyright abuse and can actually get him in trouble. Yeah, you can't copyright something. That's not you say something publicly. People are allowed to talk about it. Yeah, exactly. And you don't own it. Yeah, that's unfortunate that you don't. But that's just the way it is.  That that's fine, but always source. I always source. So that's a lot. I am. I think I just think he's having a hard time. I tried to be really cool and nice and like, I do. I get it, man. Like, this is the first time you've had this kind of major backlash. Like, I get it. Like, I do. I get backlash every week. So I guess I'm kind of used to it. But for people, someone like him is like, oh, I know. I mean, he's welcome to the Internet. Yeah, it's a bit. I'm going to ask your mother. I'm like, cool, dude.  I'm still waiting for it to happen. My mom's not single, but I'm still waiting for it. Like, dude, the Internet is just nasty, man. Yeah, it's really wonderful at times. A lot of you guys watch it, you know, you're very wonderful, but it gets pretty nasty out there. So I haven't been set up about me. She's going to be brave behind the. Dude, Reddit hates me too. So yeah, they did Reddit. Reddit's hated me for a long time. There's what it is. You know why it's because I talk about rumors. And that's just when you're in the rumor space. That's the way it's going to go. I remember you were pretty popular on the tears of the kingdom subreddit.  And then I was correct about something that I actually had a source on from Nintendo and then like half the half the red.  The other half's like, yeah, but he was 100 percent right. I don't know what to do about that. We're supposed to hate him, but he's right. Well, the funny thing is I was I'm still on the subreddits. It's kind of that summer was very weird because they also have a discord server and pretty much half the people that are like me and half the people don't. It was a very interesting conundrum. So I'm like, cool, whatever. We went out with my name. This isn't about people like him, you know, we can move on. As for the direct, I will say, I think if it's happening any time this month, it'll happen next week, because yeah, as we said, Pokemon will happen after that. And then they usually don't do anything else in March. That is a thing of people. I think I think April will if we if the switch to is announced in March, I think April is going to be like the big showcase unless they announce it in March and do the big showcase in March as well. I think the big showcase will be April or May. The question is, will they will they start pre-orders after the the the initial trailer? When did they do it for switch? I don't remember because I didn't get it. They did it after the January. Yeah, that's a bit. OK, I was up at 3 a.m. Trying to pre-order the thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this time around, there's apparently there's 10 million units. Let's see if we can get one of them. It's not enough. I got to buy like six right off the bat. I had to buy three. I got to buy this knucklehead Eric over there one. I got to buy one to give away. This toll saving my tears of kingdom save file cost me probably cool eight hundred bucks. So that's that's nice. Yeah. Basically, I got on a death wheel on a stream. I got to delete your steers of the game save file. I remember that. So I gave myself an angel wheel where every every hundred dollars I get to spin that wheel. And there was like a one out of five chance that I can save my tears of the game save file. So if you hit five hundred, I'd be guaranteed. But the thing is everything else on the wheel actually had to be negative because what's the point? If you know, you just say, Oh, it's at the certain amount.  Now it's like at the game first thing that hits. Oh, I got to buy Eric. Switch to because he had to delete his tears of the kingdom save file and he didn't get an angel wheel. So I'm like, I got to do something nice for Eric on there. Oh, OK, I got to buy him one. And then, oh, well, the second one that spins. Damn it. Now I got to give the chat one. Third one that hits. Oh, now you got to do the bomb hot sauce. That was fun. Thanks place for you. The bomb beyond a sandy house. And I can't remember what the other one was. I think it was like giveaway, like five, twenty dollar gift cards of the chat. That one, a fifty, fifty chance. We're going to get it this time. Yeah. And then literally we hit the five hundred to get the fifth spin, like right at the end of the stream. And I'm like, I don't know if I want this anymore. I just. Can I just. Refund the lead. It's like this five hundred dollars is cool. But look, after you two tastes are cut and everything, I'm still spending like another seven hundred dollars. So yes, this is awesome. This was totally worth it to say. But why did I just I should have just restarted? I just restarted even anyways. Anyways, I had to beat the game out of the time either. So I was one reason why I didn't want to restart. So let's get into the Xbox stuff, I suppose, right? We've been we've been kind of teetering around it, bringing up a few things about it. And I know on an internal podcast, it might feel weird to bring up Xbox stuff. But look, there's a lot of look as much as it was like a nothing burger. There was a lot of like really big things in it that wasn't explained.  Like that's a big thing for us, Nintendo fans, four games coming to other platforms that, as we noted earlier, will be some of them will be announced in a partner something later. And not not tent poles as well, like everyone thought. Yeah, not tent poles, although some of that stuff got rescinded. Yet. But anyways, yes, he clarified that there, that Starfield and Indiana Jones are not. That's right now. The funny thing is, Starfield could probably use it, though. I mean, both of us, they can. Yeah, yeah, probably. But but he didn't use the words like for now. What he said, only four games. And I sat there and I'm like, you mean only four games for now? Because he's like four games that have been on Xbox for at least a year. I'm like, OK, so let's get like two years removed from Starfield and two years removed from Indiana Jones. Are they then coming to PlayStation five and switch to, you know, it's like a conversation they had. Yes, for sure. Yeah, like you're setting the precedent that you're willing. And then they had that all that mixed messaging, like, hey, exclusives don't really matter as much anymore.  Xbox, Xbox is everything. Like if you play Minecraft on PS5, you're an Xbox gamer. I'm like, I don't think anybody actually thinks that just to be clear here. But you can keep saying that they're an Xbox gamer because they play Minecraft. It's cool. I'm a PC gamer, so I'm technically an Xbox gamer. Yeah, right. And then he says, oh, but, but, but, but, but. We got to reign it back in for a moment.  I'm like, OK, this is the most confusing message you never. We are keeping some games exclusive because we know what Matt. I'm like, well, you just said that you shouldn't do it. Yeah, it should be everywhere. And I was saying, but we are still like. I'm I'm just confused. There are some positives. If you want to look at the positive, Sarah Bond just slipped out there that the next generation of Xbox consoles hardware is going to be basically the largest leap forward in console history. I don't know what that are we about to literally one up the Apple Vision Pro? And we're just going to be in the game. Is that the one that was leaked? That was adorably old digital? No, no, no, no, no. That round that round. That's a revolution. No, they also said new hardware is dropping this holiday. That that's yeah, yeah, yeah, we get in the hard part of this holiday. OK, yeah, just that other. They also confirmed that Game Pass will not be coming to other consoles ever. Yeah, yeah, mobile phones and TVs. Only be on PC and on Xbox. And then they said again, but, remember, hey, you're an Xbox gamer if you're on another platform playing our games, whatever, man. Good luck telling Call of Duty players and PlayStation 5 that you're now an Xbox gamer. We're PlayStation. We're PlayStation gamers playing MLB the show everywhere. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And then, gosh, there was there was like a couple of other things they said in there. So I'm going to go. Oh, everything's going to Game Pass, which is something they said before. But it was important. They repeated it because there was a lot of rumors that maybe Call of Duty and other games wouldn't end up on Game Pass. And they're just like, no, everything's coming to Game Pass. And then that's when they dropped the Diablo 4 Game Pass release date of March 28th. I spent a hundred dollars on a game and barely played it. And now it's going to be free. Yeah, now it's going to be. Yeah. Free. You're going to spend that hundred dollars for a year of Game Pass. The other systems are subsidizing the Game Pass costs because there's no way they would they're making money on Game Pass if they put Call of Duty and all those other games on there. Well, that's what they kind of that's what they kind of said. What they said, Phil Spencer was talking about either you find a way to monetize the people you already have or you find a way to expand and reach a larger audience. So reach a larger audience and keep only charging me 60. I don't even know what I pay. It's auto deducted. So 16 something a month for ultimate. I don't know. And even though it's like 30, you won't know the. I was paying 30, but I was paying off my console when I did the I did the Oh, yeah, I remember the page you go kind of thing. They they mentioned that for community driven games will come into platforms to to community to community driven and to single player to see these. That's given. See what's the other one? I fire us grounded, grounded. Oh, for the end of the community. OK. Oh, yeah, pentamin. So we actually have a report on it from Tom Warren. I don't know. I put it in the dock. So I'm not really surprised because all this stuff started leaking last week. So I'm not really surprised that we already know what the four are, even though it's not official, right? Nothing's official until it's actually announced. If we haven't learned anything, we learned that about Nintendo this week. But yeah, so like those are four, by the way, those are four really good games. Like that's that's what's nice is like, while they're not like their big IPs, while their big IPs were Starfield, which was actually rated below all four of these games. And then it was Redfall, which also is rated even lower. So technically, we're getting like the best games they've actually released recently. Recently, the High Fire Rush was like very highly reviewed. Like it's insane that we're. But again, these games probably didn't perform as well for them. And they're like, hey, we can just put these over here. I will say this as someone who's played played High Fire Rush. I didn't beat it, but I played it quite a bit. I think that game perfectly fits with the Switch audience. Yeah, I know a lot of people on Switch who would definitely buy that definitely play that game. And a lot of people I know who actively play on PC or Xbox didn't give it a shot. But they were like, oh, it's on Xbox and maybe I'll give it a shot. But I know people on Switch will definitely play it. And I think it's a really good game. Yeah, I think the four games that they're bringing, if they're if they're true, are perfect fits for this for the Nintendo audience. And should be and should be able to run like. Yeah. Yeah. You demanding see if these ran on Xbox one. So I think it'll be fine. But it's one of those things where, like, I don't think see if these are going to get announced now. I they might even just make that a Switch two version. We'll see that might be a June kind of as long as they cross playable now everywhere. Yeah, they decided to cross play with that game. So everyone that joins early in the switch to life has a community to play with because they didn't mention cross playing cross progression. So I'm assuming you're going to have to sign into your your expo.  That they got it like that's just not going to fly with. Well, just like Fortnite, you don't have to have it. Yeah, it would be like Fortnite where you like you have your Nintendo account and you open up for them and then you log into their system. I think that's all they need to do. So you can like have a free Xbox account.  Same thing you have to do for Minecraft. You have to you have to have a Xbox live. But you don't have to be an actively paid. Yeah, it just has to be. I think that's what they'll do that way. They can connect all the ecosystems together, which is fine with that. That's what all those multi platform games that they have to have a universal account system in order to unify it.  Game developers, like weren't they charging them extra to have cross play? Or it was restriction. Well, it was something that Epic kind of disrupted. But I don't remember what it was with play like it was PlayStation specifically. Were they charging them or was it? Oh, good question. Because I know I know it was something tied into that, that it was it was. It was putting PlayStation kind of on an island. And then Epic kind of called them out on it and then it got better. But I would think that if they're going to bring stuff over to PlayStation, too, like Eric's got the story dragged up right now. So well, this is May twenty twenty one. So I don't know if that's OK. Then Sony charges for cross play support to protect PSN revenue documents show. So yeah, that's what I think they've been doing for a while. So I mean, I'm pretty sure that's probably disrupted at this point. And but if PlayStation has a chance to stick it to to Microsoft, I'm sure they would try. Maybe. The PlayStation makes so much revenue, like off call of duty and stuff. I don't know. I guess they got that the hang over their head now. I mean, it's only like like CEO just came out and say, like, we need to find a way to make our gaming stuff more profitable because even though we made nine point three billion dollars in revenue, we only made like a hundred million dollars in profits, which is insane. It shows you are massively overspending. Apparently, just looking at the documents, it looks like Spider-Man two even selling 10 million copies. Is it profitable yet? Which to me is just insane. Like what kind of budget do you have? Like it was a $70 game. What kind of budget do you have set that it's not profitable at 10 mil? That I just I don't even like, you know, you have to sell the digital. So it's even more profitable and I don't know. Like their budgets must be way out of control. They're spending about a collector's edition in the game. I got wasn't even physical. It was it was a code. So, yeah, yeah, they're spending and I don't mean wrong. I'm not complaining about the quality of their games. Of course they're good, but they're also spending so much when like Mario Wonders outsold it and was probably made on a shoestring budget. And they're just laughing to the bank. Like, by the way, I'm not saying I don't want these. You know, I don't want the quality of the experiences to go down and I understand that the high budgets is what enables some of this stuff. But it's like, man, you need a different strategy, Sony. And that's why they're not sustainable. Yeah, they started talking about, hey, we got to bring more stuff to maybe other platforms or come to PC even sooner. And I'm like, man, look at PlayStation this year. They don't have anything. They're relying. Yeah, nothing. This is a school year. No, it's kind of a misnomer. They don't have anything from their major franchises. They're going to have new IP come out. Yeah. But is that just like Rise of Ronin? Like what we know about? Well, the state of play was pretty good, but I don't know if any of that was any of that. There's though. There is no first party. So there's anything that right there. Published nothing. That's right. Party. Yeah, there was. There was. Yeah, that's right. And he too. But I don't think it comes out this year. That's not a good team of production, though, too. Rise of Ronin is PS5 exclusive. Yeah, Rise of Ronin exclusive. But they're not first party. Like what about Steller Blade? Is that exclusive to Steller Blade? Is and I think it's also a multi-plat. I mean, I think it was it was originally multi-plat, but now it's like a PS5 exclusive. It's probably a rebirth, but that's what Sony does. They write fat checks, which I mean, I think according to their CEO hasn't been working out. So maybe they should stop doing Steller Blade was initially when it was Project Eve, it was multi-plat. But then Sony put in some of their own development teams on it and funded the game. Yeah, they're publishing the game. Yeah, yeah, it's so I think it's going PS5 exclusive first and then going elsewhere. But the thing is a lot of these games are going to eventually go multi-plat. And if they eventually go to PC, I feel like I'll mostly get it on PC. Like the only game that I'm getting like day one for PS5 right now in like my immediate like long term is rebirth, because I want to play a day one and avoid spoilers and all that. And every PlayStation exclusive, like after two years, go to PC now. Anyways, yeah, so I'm expecting God of War Ragnarok to be announced soon. I'm wondering why Ghost of Tsushima hasn't been announced. Yeah, that's one that I'm surprised I haven't done yet. Well, even so that was a Ghost of Tsushima to announce. Yeah, but with the with them do bringing more of their games to PC and probably eventually most of them. I, you know, obviously Xbox has all their games on PC because they're look at people and people who got mad at what Xbox doing. I might do it. It's Microsoft that that's their PC company.  I like how easy it is to emulate Switch games. PC gamers have everything. Yeah, like I was telling one of my friends, oh, I can't afford three platforms. Just get a PC. Yeah, it's all there for a moment. It's all there stuff. Switch comes out and then it'll be a bit before that. That can be emulated. Yeah, one of my friends was saying, oh, my backlog is so massive. And I was like, my backlog will probably never end because I have a PC. I can put whatever I want on it. But I wanted to speaking of PC, I wanted to ask you guys. Yeah, do you know? Are you opposed to Nintendo games coming to PC? Yes, because if here's to the kingdom and Xenoblade 3 and like a lot of these big games come to PC, I'm getting it. I'm 100 percent getting it on PC. Well, a lot of people get it on PC. Yeah, because like here's the kingdom is already like a marvel on the switch and everything a modelist often made is a marvel on Switch. But imagine that at like 120 FPS. I mean, you don't have to imagine that. Yes, you don't have to do it. People are already doing it, by the way. You don't have to. Yeah, yeah. But like imagine it like. Done. Officially. Yeah, yeah, officially. Yeah, you don't have to feel a little dirty. Yeah, because I don't like a lot of the ray tracing breath of the wild mods and all that. I mean, they look fine, but it just takes away from the identity of the game in a way. You know, just wait for Swiss to just wait for Swiss to you'll get all the ray tracing you want. All you need. But yeah, I think switch two will be good. But I don't think it's going to be PC level. Of course not. But at least it'll give you a taste of that ray tracing. You know, like those way to sandwich. I mean, look, I just think it'll be cool to have that option. I think there's the reality of what you might want to happen versus what Nintendo is going to do. Yeah, I don't think Nintendo is going to bring the games to PC in a realistic format because they keep reiterating and they just did the last financial briefing that the exclusives sell the system and the exclusives are best tied to the system. And I will note that while everyone else is talking about how oh, they need to make more money and bring games more places, Nintendo is just sitting there like we're the richest we've ever been in our lives. Doing what we do. We're the only company that can literally solo support an entire platform without anybody else being there right now. Because now that we have everything combined, we technically don't need third parties.  But hey, we actually have it. I mean, think about this. We're talking about how dry this year is for Nintendo. And yet they have five games that's like more than any of the companies putting out this year. That's crazy. They have five games and we're talking about this is a dry year. It's a bad year. Remake. But only one of them is brand new. OK, let's go back a couple of years. Yeah, let's go back two years. Oh, Xbox didn't even have one new game in a year. So it's like that's actually an accomplishment for some companies to get just one new game out. And they have one new game plus remakes and remasters. 2020 was supposed to be a bad year, but it was still pretty good. It was pretty successful. It was a very successful year for Nintendo. And for the bad year for Nintendo, it was like selling two million, three million. Yeah, that's bad. You know, so so Nintendo for starters, as somebody who plays on everything, I absolutely would love to have Nintendo games on PC. Like as just a pure want. People are already doing it anyways. Why not make it just official with official versions that have better development and all that? That'd be great. I also think, though, that for Nintendo, because of how they do their platform, they view it as it would take away because the time they're spending developing and putting the games on PC could be spent towards actually making new games on Switch. And so it's not that Nintendo couldn't do it.  And Nintendo is actually one of the only companies. Actually, they are the only one that sells their hardware for a profit day one. So they actually make money off their hardware and they control the entire ecosystem. Like this is something people don't consider about. They control the entire ecosystem on Switch and they will on Switch too. So while, yeah, they could sell a $70 of Tears of the Kingdom on PC, Steam's taken 30%. And no one's taken 30% of Tears of the Kingdom on Switch. So like it's technically, even though they'd sell more copies, they'd be making less profit per copy sold. And on top of that, possibly devaluing their own system, giving people less reasons to buy their system. I think it would do a Ubisoft thing where they make their own digital storefront on PC, which that would also have other categories. No, no, no, I know they can't even work in eShop. Let's not talk about it. You know, I'm trying to make a real digital storefront. I didn't see digital storefront by Nintendo. Nintendo does not need to go or it'll be fun. Yeah, exactly. Nintendo will never, never, ever need to bring their game still to any other console or even PC. Nintendo, believe it or not, Nintendo is so set and so above everyone else when it comes to their first party games and how much they sell, like easily selling a million in a week, two million, three million, that they're not even focused on, that they know they're gonna sell. Mario's always gonna sell, Zelda's always gonna sell. Pokemon, a bad Pokemon game is still gonna outsell any God of War, which is the best game, even though it's crappy here, glitches, still sells over 30 million, whatever like that. It's just a joke sometimes, right? They're so over that, that they're not even focusing on how many they're gonna sell. They're literally making their IPs even more lucrative now by expanding to other areas, movies, theme parks. It's just like, they're just, Nintendo is really solidifying themselves as the brand, Nintendo, Super Nintendo World. It's not Super Mario World or Super, whatever, the Donkey Kong opening, I think is this week in Japan, next week we're getting, next year, Donkey Kong here and Super Nintendo World here, and then the movie- Zelda's in the works already. Super Mario movie, the best animated movie number one, you know what I mean? Legos, Zelda movie coming soon. The Zelda live action movie. So at this point, yeah, for us fans, we have 150 million, Nintendo doesn't need to go anywhere else. They have, people need to come to Nintendo. You know what I mean? I'm pretty sure that- That's what they do it. That's what they do it. Yeah, exactly. And we know that they don't care either because Xbox tried to buy them or whatever way back when. Yeah, you mean they made the suggestion and the exact same after Phil Spencer? Yeah, that was cool. I love that. I love that that came off and the short documents is like, oh, okay, yeah, that's what we expected. Yeah. Yeah, I just brought that up as a hypothetical thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, as someone who does play on PC often, it would be cool to natively have them on there, but I don't see it happening because like Nintendo is Nintendo. I mean, I do think people want it. Oh yeah, for sure. They want it because they want it. Cow World sold astronomically well on Steam. Yeah. Higher quality Pokemon. Yeah, and then of course, Pokemon wasn't wasn't Pokemon, like a higher quality monster. What's that game monster? Monster Hunter or whatever it is. Is it a quest? You're trying quest. So so I mean, everybody copies everybody. So it's so until we get Apple Vision 8 and everyone moves to a ready player one future, we're going to have the Nintendo is going to make their own. They're still haven't seen the movie. Yeah. Have you read the book? That was a fun movie. No, I haven't read the book. The book is two books. There's two books. Yeah. So I watched the movie. Oh, this is pretty good. Then I read it. But I didn't watch the games. The games and that game. My movie's insane. I think they were they were they're working on ready player two, right? I think so. That book is wild. Like the second book is much. So I'm going to watch the movie and then I watch the second movie and then I'll read the books and I realize how bad the movies are. And I'll be like, do I regret doing this now because I enjoyed the movies. Well, the books, like they could use a lot of a lot more references than they were able to get for the time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, not just not at the time, just in general, like even with Spielberg directing the movie, like and he was able to pull in some of his his references from movies and stuff that he probably could pull some strings. The challenges were different and stuff in the books. And and they had to speed stuff up because it's a it's a decently long book, not sure. Like to try to condense down to an hour and a half long movie. Well, in fact, I auditioned for that. You just did what some franchise. Oh, you did multiple parts. Yeah. Yeah. They just like handed out sides and they were just like, yeah, we want to cast a nobody for this role because usually that's kind of what Steven Spielberg does. It's like he just gets somebody and makes them someone. So I don't know. I just did an audition tape for it. And then he decides to cast the actor from X-Men, you know, just to know buddy. I didn't know who we were. How are you going to get the part, man? It we got it. We got it. We got it. Sorry. They wanted to sell tickets. My bad. Yeah. They're lost. They're lost. They're lost. Yeah. Well, so do you guys seem to see a little bit of film buffy over there? What you guys have any hope for the Zelda movie? I mean, the joy has to play it. She's she's she's gorgeous. Oh, OK. Well, I can't know who that can't be both Pete Chansel. Yeah. That would be insane. That would be weird. That would just be what happens when the crossover eventually happens. That's true. Another voice with a live action Mario. Why do you sound the same? Well, you sound exactly the same. I will say I didn't know who she was. I saw her today for the very first time on her face. Have you seen Queen's Gambit? No. It's good. I think Queen's Gambit was a very ocean. She was in split and glass as well. Yeah. Well, I saw her when I first saw her. I saw her in split. Crap, that's Zelda.  Like she does kind of look like a Zelda. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. I guess for me, like Westball, he made the tweet that he's like wanting to make this movie ever since he was young. And if there was like any property that he could do, it was a Zelda movie that looked kind of like Avatar or with those kind of special effects. Yeah. I think that's awesome. Let him do his thing. He's got a lot of things. I'm I don't know, like Nintendo, I think they did a great job with illumination in that partnership and obviously Nintendo had more of a say. And I think it will be the same way with Sony Pictures. But Avi Arad is he's very controlling is not the right word.  I guess. Yeah. But do you cheesy? Do you remember like I had to kind of refresh my memory on this? Do you remember his like conflict with Kevin Feige for Amazing Spider-Man? Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Kevin Feige was like, let's make a comic book accurate. Let's make like these things that are like actually part of Peter Parker's character. And he's like, no, let's make him cool. Let's make him a skater. Oh, and I'm like, yeah, yeah. Don't don't don't do that with Link. Like, like I was so scared. Oh, I'm all in your bad line. No, no. Because, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he's stubborn. But so is Miyamoto. And that's why I feel like they could be, you know, flashing. And yeah. Isn't this the same studio that made Madam Web? It is, yes. Madam Web and Morbius. Miyamoto, Miyamoto will be there. Hovering over over over this guy like, yeah. Don't make this. What are you doing? I mean, we we've joked that Taylor Swift is going to be Zelda. Oh, no. Oh, boy. I mean, if you want to you want to see tickets. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, please. Oh, what is with these? International, too. You will get everyone. She's a good actress. It's really isn't it?  That's what we're sparring as well. But I mean, here's the can she act? That's that's really all the part. Yeah, she actually act. But if she can act, then I'm not like opposed. It's just can she I don't think she'll end up playing like a Zelda because she's you know, in her thirties, I think they might go with someone a bit younger, like maybe play the role for a longer period of time. Yeah, I agree. But yeah. But with the head of Brown, there's a good actress to 100% Tom Holland. It's Tom Holland will at least be considered. I don't think it's going to be him, though. I don't think it's going to be him because of his age. But time to start filming. He'll be like 30. I think he looks like he's like 20. Yeah, he looks like it's funny. Yeah, Tom Holland doesn't. I don't think he wants to do these kinds of roles anymore, though, because he's like after Spider-Man, I had that kind of I had that run. I had that attention. I kind of want to move back from that now. I think he was the guy's a really good actor, though. Have you seen other movies? Crazy actor. Yeah, the other actor is the guy from Wally Wonka, the kid. Timothy Shalman, yeah. He's in too many things right now, though. Yeah. Today is older than. He's growing up. Yes, the crossover with Dune. The toon crossover. Yes, I will say that they already got a popcorn bucket. Then we got the oh, no, the like, like popcorn bucket. Oh, my God. I I'm actually nervous for the Zelda movie being live action. When I heard that it was live act, like when they announced the Zelda movie, I was happy when I read that it was live action. I was nervous when I read Aviraad's name. I was scared. So like I'm I'm excited. Zelda is my number one favorite franchise of all time. But I am going to be seeing this through like a giant, magnifying glass, dissecting everything if they like I don't expect, don't expect, don't expect pure, don't expect pure lore. Remember, they're trying to. No, no, no, yeah. They're trying to cater to the main market now. Yeah, I just wanted to feel and be Zelda. Like it doesn't have to have a timeline stuff and like lore stuff. I just want it to retain that Zelda identity in the land. I hope they can with live action. As long as they don't use Skyward Sword as a reference. No, it's going to they're going to do that. That that just one loft wing flight. Just one. See, I'm going to allow John to keep making me mad about Skyward Sword because he's going to take blame for everything on my channel forward. It was a callback. It was a callback. You know, I was open with that joke. And now, yeah, we're later on. I should write the script. Skyward is the first game in the land. I'm learning the first game. And supposedly the first game in the line of Zelda games. Right. Now, which was what they do establish after after the encyclopedia came out or when the encyclopedia was going to come out. Yeah, I'm pretty sure what they made. They weren't even thinking about that. Like, yeah, they weren't put in order there for people to make people. I hope the movie is an original story, though, with like references, slight references to like a new game, like going into like a brand new game, but a brand new movie with a new story, new plot, right? Same guy. When you live in this and I'm all, you know, in there kind of like, you know, I'm more of a Idris Elba. Idris Elba. Yeah, yeah, he has the more like a gravitas voice like, you know. Yeah, Jason Momoa is like too much hype and like silly, too. Like, I feel like he has serious moments, though, though. So so he has a he has a combination. This case, they want to give some maybe some humor in certain areas. He can act that well, you know. I think Jason Momoa is called Drogo from Game of Thrones is the kind of vibe I would want if he plays Ganondorf. No, he would play like Daruk. He would be a great Daruk or a Darunia or like a Batista. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope that's something that we see in the movie is like the, you know, the Rideau clan and like the Zoro Zoro. Yeah, yeah. Although he's a big fan. I wanted to say the Mipha clan, but that's not right. I do. I would like to see me inside. Oh, yeah, who's from side on going to be, you know? Oh, chatting Tino like Jude Law. You guys are ballooning this budget quite a bit. I'm a good Ganondorf. I'll be in charge of the first Avengers, right? Avengers, like the first saga, Infinity Stone. He was like in he was ahead of Marvel then. Who was Kevin Feige? No, the Rita Rodney, the guy the. Oh, I've got a radio. Yeah. He was he was the head of Marvel when the Infinity Saga was taking place, right? No, no, he was there before the MCU even began. So he was responsible for the Tobey Maguire films, the Andrew Garfield films, the X-Men films, the early X-Men films are all him. Like before, I think even like Days of Future Past and stuff. That was him. Yeah. Because I'm thinking they could do like sagas, right? With the Zelda, the way they can kind of, you know, different timelines, but in sagas. Like, for example, the first three movies is the Triforce saga, right? Move over to the next three movies. It's a different timeline. The Secret Stone saga. Yeah, different timeline, different timeline, but same actors, you know, they have to have to keep continuing continuity, but it's a still different link. Where you get really old? No, we're six movies in. They're going to get real old. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, right. It's going to be like Harry Potter. They're going to be like A.I.D.H. Yeah, A.I.D.H. Hey, hey, with the new thing we saw today, the whole Sora thing. I don't know. We'll see. Hey, what? What? There was a Zora thing. Do you guys see that on Twitter? The new Open AI thing. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's actually pretty insane. Yeah, I got to look at it. You know what's awesome and sane? Dragging this just dragging it by its feet back to Xbox. Oh, yeah. Phil Spencer, Phil Spencer. Apparently also did an interview today. Oh, well, that that that probably did it a couple of days ago and it just published today. And in the interview with Stefan Tatillo, he went over his expectation of PlayStation and Nintendo games ever coming to Xbox. And basically said, of course, he wants it to happen. However, for those that think there's some bartering going on and that he's like, hey, we'll give you this. If down the line, you give us that. He's like, his exact quote is that is not for me. This is not some kind of bartering system. We're just doing it for the better of the Xbox business. We don't expect anyone to give us anything back. So just to kind of squash people that think, oh, maybe this is like a long play to get some some stuff to their system.  They're just doing it because they don't want to make money basically. MLB's the one they've made partner with each other. Yeah, I will be forced PlayStation. You either do this or we're yanking the license. Oh, OK, the Xbox and Nintendo would partner together and do like a banjo game. Oh, I would love that. But what's the most status? So you guys are sort of hinting that there might be a banjo actually in the works. I knew one. Yes, people were saying toys that doesn't come to Nintendo. That needs to be one of those games at multi platform. Come on. You need to bring that to Nintendo. Exclusive, the Xbox exclusive. That's probably what it will be at launch. They're probably like, we were talking last week on our show, like rare replay needs to be on switch. That's like one of the perfect ones. And that's not one of the four games, obviously. But it's like, dude, rare replay, 90 percent of that stuff was literally on Nintendo. Come on, you're just leaving money on the table. Literally, it's a whole suite of just all the stuff that they could sell as well. Oh, we're going to let some of these games go to your Nintendo Switch online.  Yeah. Yeah. Man, they're the better versions or the 360 versions. And you can even partner with Nintendo and be like, OK, since it's coming to Nintendo, we can put even like the Donkey Kong country games in and stuff with it, too, because that was made by them. They can make it even like the definitive version of it. And be sick. And we'll see these coming over. You'll just have everything from rare. Yeah. Maybe they'll just put that one on. They need some connect games. They need some connect games and they can keep them. I'm good with that. Eric, what's your title? What's your shirt? Your sweater, say WUW something? Is it wrestling? No, it's just the University of Wisconsin lacrosse. So you have EWL. Cool. That's what I want to know. Eagles. Now, I use a wrestler just beating up out there. They're trying to pull on it. You know, yeah. Wrestling, the fumble drill, where they turn into wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're going to switch on over to the Q&A section. Remember, guys, if you want to submit any questions for the Q&A, I think I put one out there to get us started. All you do is a little $2, ask a question to everyone, and we just go until there's nothing left to talk about. So I put a question out there saying, what is the most important game from your guys's childhood? Should I say NY? This is an interesting one. Yes, I thought it would be a great one. We have so many new people here. I might do it. We've had this come up before, but this was a while ago. We have so many new people. This is a great conversation to bring back. Yeah. So I asked the question. So I'm not going to answer it. I'm wearing mine. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a debate on a communication error. And we have we try to find out who's right and who's wrong about if Super Mario Bros. 3 is better than Super Mario World. So I need to know your answers. So I know if I like you or not. Wait, wait, wait, is this going to go on our sheet, Johnny? Yeah, this is going on the sheet. So that one counts. I'm already on the lights. Mike's counts. Oh, I don't know. I don't know the world. World is mine. That one doesn't count. No, it can't. No, no, that one gets slept off the sheet, you know. Well, I also. Is World another scar of sword? No, I don't know. Johnny's just wrong. OK, you haven't learned by now. There are one and two. But you've got to you have one above the other, usually. Yeah, I love both. But World, yeah, without three, there will be no world. Three was without without. Well, I'm not saying there will be no Mario. What are we talking about? I'm saying like the blueprint for World. Without jump, man, what are we doing in? I don't know. Jumping there will be no Mario without.  But Super Mario Bros. 3 is my answer to this question. It I played so much. Actually, I actually played it on Mario All-Stars like on it, Super Nintendo. And I didn't play the NES version until the Wii Virtual Console. And I thought I got like a bad copy. Because it's like a graphic, right? Yeah, yeah, these are graphics. But it just the the power-ups are fantastic in that game. The worlds are fantastic. And it's just fun. I play it at least once a year. OK, I'm going to go and save Super Mario Brothers 1 for my childhood, just because, yeah, that game, that game. First, it means a lot to me because I played with my dad. You know, he got me my first NES.  And so I used to I love sneaking it in to his room just to play. You know, Mario Brothers and then go, you know, I'm that old guys, by the way, I'm that old and then going across the street to the to the cross to the peteria and playing Super Mario Brothers versus on the actual arcade when they first came out. And it was just like the best, the best times. You know, I used to cross the street all by myself. Steal my parents quarters and go play games. You know, so I would say most important for my child is Super Mario Brothers. That's that's that's the game that got me into covering Nintendo. So I guess for me, mine is kind of bittersweet, I will say. Mine is Pokemon, FireRed and LeafGreen, because those were. I I'm a really big Nintendo fan, but my first console was a PS2. But I wasn't hooked on gaming when I had the PS2. My hook for video games was when I got a DS and Pokemon, FireRed and LeafGreen. I played those games so much. But looking back at I was telling my friend this recently, it took me about three years to complete one of those games, because it was like it was my first ever video game that I rolled credits on and I completed and I like actually trained my Pokemon. I beat the rival at the end. I was like, wow, I can't believe I made it this far. I can't believe I'm rolling credits on a video game. Like that was mind blowing to me. And then I played Sapphire, Diamond, all those games. So Pokemon was a very big part of my childhood. And now I I'm just really kind of sad at the state it's in now, because I just don't want I don't enjoy the games to I always had visions for how my favorite games would look like in the future when I was a kid. Like Zelda with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom surpassed everything that I could have imagined as a kid. Pokemon hasn't reached that level yet and I'm I'm not like sad. I'm more like upset and disappointed because I'm like when I when I saw Diamond and Pearl remakes, I was like, I was very kind of confused. I was like, why are they going in this direction? I at least wanted them to look kind of like Sword and Shield. So if Pokemon Day comes, if they remake Black and White, which are my favorite Pokemon games, Black and White is my favorite Pokemon games. If they screw those up, then I that that's an unforgivable thing for me. Like, no, they can't do that.  But yeah, yeah, Pokemon is a very important part of my childhood, but it's just not in the place that I wanted to be. Game Freak needs some help. They need help. Yeah. I guess another game for my childhood, though, is Ocarina of Time. But like, that's when I was a little older, when I was like approaching my preteens, but that I always say that that's the game that just fundamentally changed my life in so many ways. Not only how I look at video games, but just media in general. Nothing was the same after playing that. Yeah, nice. Eric, let's see yours, bud. Yeah. Well, my actual answer is Super Mario 64, but I am going to throw a tangent here a little bit and go with the snowboard kids because they really want to will this back into it that we get another one or we bring them back because I just really want it again. So who owns that? Um, gosh, who was it? I don't remember. At least get it on Switch Online, right? Jesus, right? Kids. Yeah. Why is it so important to do that? That particular thing? You've talked about Super Mario 64 a lot. Yeah. And we always talk about like, oh, you want snowboard kids to come back, but like, why is it important to you? It was published by Atlas and the Nintendo. So. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know I stood that well. I don't know. It's it's it's a fun game that my sister and I just.  It was just it was just great. I had so much fun playing it as a kid and and I just want it back. You either want a new one or give me the give me the other ones. I agree. There was there was so many goofy games back then, right? Have you guys ever heard of Cayman games? For any Cayman games? There's there's a there's a one of the games. It's it's like Olympic base, right? One of the games is basically see how far how far you can throw the wife or the girl over. She's what? Hey, man, oh, geez, hilarious.  So they don't look like cool. Yeah. Hey, I'm looking at this hilarious, man. Back in the day, that's for those. Right. Kung Fu. Modern audience. Oh, man, that's hilarious. What's a game? Wait, he ain't made a good game at one point. What? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So the more you know, cheesy. I'm surprised that Snowboard Kids was an out. Just quick decides to stop. He's so shot for an atlas. He can't get over. Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting.  So I guess I have two. One is Pokemon Snap because I was a huge Pokemon fan. I would collect the cards. I would watch the show. I'd go to Burger King and get the plastic Pokeballs. And I would pretend like going in my backyard and, you know, catching a Pokemon, just like living that life. And so when we got Pokemon Snap and we actually got to see how Pokemon act in the wild and you just got to take pictures of them, I really enjoyed it. And I love the replay value of it, too, because it is a great puzzle game. There's so many things that you can do later on when when you get like certain items or the polka flu, like you get to go back and discover new Pokemon again, even though you've you've already done that level. So I really love that. And then the backyard sports games, I had all of them and I love them so much. I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about. Jason Kelsey is trying to bring them back. No way, really. I think so. That's a thing he's I think he's trying to buy it.  That would be pretty cool, cool. But yeah, I guess those are my answers. That's cool. I'm glad they did a sequel to Pokemon Snap because that's something like everyone really, really wanted. And it didn't seem like it was going to happen because they had the perfect opportunity on Wii U and they didn't do it. So I was like, oh, it's never going to happen. The replay value on that. Like after you like got so many points, you could go down different paths of the level that just opened up into a bigger like world. Yeah, I really loved it. Bandai Namco, they nailed it. And it's it's sad that they aren't working on a Pokemon game because I feel like you'll ever see him. Yeah, probably the best looking Pokemon game as well. Yeah, yeah, amazing job. I mean, I would call it. Next thing on Snap is going to be VR and Swiss 2. I yeah, I would be the best of the perfect game for VR. Yeah, you're sitting down just looking around and just kind of taking pictures. Yeah. The Nightcrawler, otherwise known as the worm, what's yours? I'm like I said, I'm wearing it. Super Mario World.  I know I didn't own an NES, but Super Nintendo was my my first console that I owned. And that's just like where it all like really, really took off. So it's just getting to explore around. And that was just it was magical. Nice. So I remember what it came out. Yeah, we're like the graphics, man. You see how it looks? The graphics, I'm moving at the same time. It started moving the background because everything was just like all linear. But when Super Nintendo came out, we saw Mario and the background just stayed behind. Like, wait, I mean, how are they doing that?  Oh, yeah. Rory wanted to let us know it was Yahtzee for him. And for some reason, $7.91, a very specific number he typed in. Probably what he spent on the Yahtzee card. That's probably what he spent on Yahtzee back in the day. I don't know what the references to there. Thank you so much for that, man. That's a fun game. We have this is an interesting question. I haven't thought about this for a long time. I actually had to look it up just to refresh my memory. Hori FT said, do you think Nintendo will loosen? I think he meant to say their want for control in the future or did the universal Donkey Kong case forever scar them or scare them? Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't remember, there was a case back in the 80s about King Kong and Donkey Kong because the designs, you know, and being too similar and all this stuff. Yeah. And what are Kirby to save the day? It wasn't meant to be. It wasn't meant to be. That's all I can say. It was Kirby would have been called Popo something. Yeah, it was a crazy name. Popo, Tinko, Popo, then Spranko something. So Kirby was like the blutting disguise. And to answer the question, Universal Studios right now has Super Nintendo World. They're building Donkey Kong World, you know, Donkey Kong Land right now. I think that that at the at the beginning was a lesson learned for them. I don't think they've ever taken any name. Similar to anything else and done it again, but it's under the rug right now because right now Nintendo Universal have a really good relationship. Yeah, I look at it as like, you know, you know, want to loosen their one for control in the future. I what company wants to loosen their control of the things they create? Yeah, I look at all the laws that Disney's had changed over the years to try to maintain control of their characters and even sometimes fairy tale characters that were never theirs originally like every company wants to maintain control of their creation. So I don't think like that that case scared them. I mean, maybe at the time, I was this very early video game Nintendo, like, you know, if they would have lost, who knows what would have happened to the future of the company, but they didn't. Lots of appeals and lots of things that went into it. But you know, they didn't win everything on it. Like Nintendo wanted damages or something and they didn't win damages. But it's very interesting because look, Nintendo is maybe one of and a lot of this I think comes from, like, you know, hey, Nintendo putting games on PC, they're not going to do it. Or Nintendo going to let just everyone use their IP. And sure, there's going to be a day when the IP is so old at one point that eventually laws can't protect it and it will become public domain. Like that we just saw that happen with Disney, actually, with Oswald, right? Like it and C-Bo, C-Bo, Willie and C-Bo, Willie. Yeah, that became the team and Winnie the Pooh. So they never owned Winnie the Pooh. But yeah, but yeah, that's another public domain thing. Yeah. So like, yeah, like Mario and Donkey Kong, they're eventually going to be in the public domain. It's just going to happen someday. Can't wait for that horror movie. It's going to be a lot of delays and maybe more laws change to try to keep it for as long as they can. But it's going to happen. And it's interesting just because, look, every company values the things they create. If they don't, then there's no point to make them in the first place. Yeah, there's plenty of companies that will sell their stuff out and just close down shop and take the money and run. Nintendo's not going anywhere. So I don't think they're, I mean, they're scared of losing control for sure. Like that is how all companies are. Like, why do you think Disney had laws literally change to try to maintain control as long as they could? You know, there's stories about how like certain versions of Mickey, they were able to maintain control because they started making a little skit that goes at the beginning of every single film, just to maintain control. It's just why the Steamboat Willie thing was in front of, in front of a lot of Disney stuff. Yes, yes. Okay. It was because they got a law pass that a lot of them, as long as it was still an act of use, you got an extra amount of years. So like, so Nintendo is obviously actually using a lot of their old stuff. So it's going to be there. They're going to have that maximum on it unless the maximum gets extended at some point. And obviously, another thing to consider is that they're also Japanese companies. So like a lot of it's going to come under a Japanese law and how their laws work rather than the U.S.  I'm like, yeah, but they're not a U.S. company. So it doesn't just become public domain because we hit like 100 years in the U.S. It's not how it works because it's not actually a U.S. thing to decide. But Japan has their own laws around it as well and they have limits too. So I find it and maybe one thing I will say about Nintendo that there is a possibility that they maybe never lose control because I think they have a lot of sway with the government. They are literally like the most valuable company in terms of cash flow in in the in Japan. And like they have investments from major banks. And I mean, look, they were advertising the Olympics for Japan. It was Mario, like there's a lot of respect and honor there. So it is possible that even though the laws are what they are, the Japanese government might just start making exceptions for companies like Nintendo or Mario's Nintendo. We can't just let Mario be anybody. But again, that's this is going to happen long after we're gone when this stuff comes around. But yeah, yeah, I don't think it's a there's every company scared to lose control, but they're not going to loosen things up. They'll work with more companies. They're working with Universal on movies. Sure. But Nintendo is maintaining all the rights. They're not giving up rights when they do that. They're working with Lego. Yeah, they're working with Lego, but Nintendo is maintaining all the rights. They have a lot of control there. Look, they're working. They're working with Sony for a Zelda movie. You think they're giving up any control of Zelda the Sony? No, nothing's happening unless Nintendo says it's happening. So while it's nice to see Nintendo branching out, a lot of it is just to the mutual benefit of their business and other companies, but they're not ever going to be like it's not going to be like a Marvel situation where it passes hands and is sold to other people. I know Nintendo's the Zelda movie. Sony, they ain't owning rights to it. Nintendo is going to own that. And if they want to continue it, they could choose a different studio and a different company to go with in the future. It will be interesting with some of the publishing rights, because on the original movie, because I think I think one of the part of the Zelda agreement was that Sony was going to help get it in more theaters and handle some of the publishing. But we'll see how that plays out because that hasn't happened yet. So there might be an opportunity where maybe Nintendo could keep it going, but they can't like republish the original film without Sony's permission. But that's all down the lines behind the scenes. B.S. and I'm sure Nintendo can just buy the rights back if they needed to. But it's similar to what happened when Super Mario Brothers, the movie, like where because elimination, which is universal, they were the ones who produced it. They they had one year exclusively with with with Peacock. And then after that, it moved to Netflix. So same thing with probably with with Sony. They will have a whatever whatever something. Yeah, whatever. So I don't know what what does Sony have own when it comes to streaming services? I don't even know. Is it Max? No, that's so Warner Brothers. Oh, I don't think so. I think Sony just goes to Netflix, usually is who they deal with. Yeah, or I mean, they also have partnership with with Disney now with some of the Marvel stuff. So oh, what Sony does own is they own Crunchyroll, I think. Right. Oh, that's your role. Yeah, I got to put it on crunchy roll. Yeah, I mean, but I'm just thinking about like streaming service. I think they do have.  Yeah, there was a lot of things happening with that. I don't I don't really I didn't really look like the publisher. I think a great example would be all those Netflix Marvel shows like Netflix own the shows, but they didn't own the characters or anything.  It's not going to be part of our canon. You can keep it up, but we're we're, you know, they actually had to do a money exchange with Netflix to buy those the rights to republish that stuff on their service. And now they're bringing that all back as canon in the universe. And that's probably similar here. Like Nintendo is not going to give up the rights to the IPs or any of that stuff and they can shut stuff down, but it's possible that like Sony might own a publishing right to it. And that is something that would would be a negotiator in the future. If there was ever any problems to try the way this is presuming there would ever be any problems. If it's massive, it's a billion, multi-billion dollar film. I don't really think there's going to be any problems. Yeah, I think they're both going to be very happy and willing to do a lot more movies together. So just like just like Illumination, there's going to be more coming. You don't have like the second highest grossing animated film of all time. And yeah, we're done. Bye. It was a nice partnership. So to be why. I also wonder if like because Nintendo is doing the Zelda movie, that's why they think about all their theme park expansions. A lot of it is like other IPs that they might be doing with with Illumination and Universal and this is doing with Sony. And I wonder if that's why like, hey, we're going to wait to do the Zelda one. Although I know I knew I was out there in Florida. I know I know I'm like, oh, maybe maybe there'll be one Zelda ride. Not a whole. Back yard. And I mean, I'm talking about like all this stuff, like control for the future, like everything now is calculated. It's super calculated, planned way out back in the 80s. When that happened, it was Wild Wild West where they just took stuff that they wanted to and just begged for forgiveness pretty much. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of rules yet. Like they had some basic stuff, like some groundwork, but there wasn't. Yeah, I mean, it was like the film and TV and video games are all like mediums that hadn't been around for very long. And the only thing I can think of that's like recent about that is the Ubisoft devs that made Mario Rabbids and Nintendo was wondering where they got the the Mario models and they're like, we made it ourselves. And they were they were surprised by it. And they loved it. Yeah, it's like, damn, this is good. Yep. Yeah. So yeah, pretty cool. All right. I think that is the end of the Super Chat question. So I think we're going to be wrapping up the show here. So we're going to go around the room, remind people who you are, where they can find you. We will have, I don't know if we have any mods here. If not, I will go ahead and grab. Oh, Eric's got links down in the description. We'll grab it and port it up when you guys are advertising. What's going on? So let's just go. We started at the bottom last time. Let's go to the top. Mike, where can they find you? What do you got going on? Hello, hello. I am Mike Odyssey. You can find me at the Mike Odyssey channel on YouTube. You know, so find me at Mike Odyssey YT. Some some some some person owns Mike Odyssey on Twitter and and they're not even using it from 10 years ago. But yeah, Mike Odyssey YT on Twitter and on Instagram, which I don't kind of don't go to. But it's still there and what I have going on. Yeah, Monday to Friday news content in the middle of a of a huge upgrade to the channel when it comes to visuals, content and stuff. I'm also working with Nate behind the scenes on something I'm not going to mention. We'll talk about it later on. But yeah, Fridays, we also have our podcast like a 7 8 30 p.m. You know, the topic podcast and that's about it. That's about it. You know, Monday to Friday news, Friday's podcast and some cool stuff happening. I was like crossing my fingers. Those wasn't going to be a 20 minute ad because I think last time you were on I was timing it. And I'm like, oh, we hit 18 minutes.  Never give up. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Why did I even? You're right. Also, I think we got mugs. Matthew, Bob, quick, just wanted to remind us that aquatic assault work six three. This tune is awesome. Thank you, buddy. It's until the end until the end. Yeah. Slash the general prime 10. Anyways, just quick pops. What are you going to find you? Yeah. So you can find me on niche pop on YouTube, niche pops on Twitter and Instagram. I need to post more there. I just post new uploads on my stories on Instagram. I sometimes post on TikTok, but mostly YouTube and Twitter. And I have been talking a lot about Persona 3 Reload on the channel. I am playing that game. I'm really enjoying it. I'll be making more videos once I complete the game. I'm just trying to enjoy the game right now and finish it off. But yeah, if you guys were excited for Persona 3 Reload or enjoying it, check out the videos I made about that game. And next week, I have a very exciting collaboration that I'm doing. I have like my own little like long form podcast. I do call the exp podcast and everyone who's listening right now is getting a first little preview of this. Someone else who is a reoccurring member on the Nintendo Prime podcast will be on my channel for a very special Metroid video. That's all I'm going to say. And I'm very excited. I wonder who that is. I wonder who it is.  That's a mystery. Whoa, what a mystery to all of our viewers. Who could it be? What if he's not here right now? Man, it's Eric. Yeah, Eric is the biggest Metroid player right now. I'm very excited for that. That's coming out next week. And in the editing process right now is probably one of the biggest videos I will be making for the channel ever. And it is a whole kind of review and like look back at my experience with the original Final Fantasy 7 because I finally got to complete the game this December. But it was a long journey. So I'm making a whole like recap video my ups and downs with that journey. So if you guys are excited for rebirth, I'll be talking about that in that video as well, how like my journey with the original FF7 is leading into my hype for rebirth as well. So yeah, yeah, definitely be excited for that. Yeah, that's me. All right. Eric. I'm here. That's it. Usually Wednesdays, 8 p.m. I know Thursday. Yeah, we were kind of hoping for a direct didn't happen. It's cool. We'll be back on Wednesday next week. Regardless if there's a direct on Thursday, it's whatever podcast is Wednesday. We'll live with it. All right. Oh, you can also find him on Twitter technically at emo 8790. He will see what you tweet. If you tweet him, he probably won't say anything. But he might, maybe he'll leave a heart. I don't know if it's really kind. You might like it. We'll see. Cheesy. Yeah, are you feeling breezy over there? Oh man, it's not easy. There we go. Cheesy. Yeah. Anyway, you can find me on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Threads, Blue Sky, we'll put those in there. Cheesy C64, C-H-E-E-Z-Y-C-64. I like to make. I don't know if I got any of that. Oh, whoa. C-H-E-E-Z-Y-C-64. OK. Yeah. No, that's a good note. I probably should slow that down. Now you're going super fast. I'm like, look, I got the cheesy part. I don't know what else is going on. Oh, C64. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in his tag just so. Yeah, he does have it. So I knew what you were saying, but I'm like, man, that was really fast. But yeah, I like to make just Nintendo content, but I make a lot of Splatoon videos and Splatoon lore. That's Splatoon is like my series. I really love it. So if you're looking forward to side order, I'll be making a lot of content around that. And then I'm also on Nintendo Power Cast and Communication Air podcast. And we just had an episode talking about Nintendo entering the theme park space with Alicia Stella, who's from Theme Park Stop. You're familiar with her. So yeah, go check that out. And thanks for letting us be on the show. All right. So John Ebo. I'm John Ebo everywhere. It's spelled like Amoebo, not like Johnny Bo. I did fall for everything on my channel now. I will take the fall while you're getting a direct next week. I won't predict the day and the day and the time. But I don't see the prediction. I thought this was like, it's happening. It is. No, yeah. So, yeah, then I'll get to be considered an insider if I'm right. So yeah, I'm Johnny Bo everywhere, mainly TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. I do a lot of short form content because I'm too lazy to edit. And I like to annoy people on the internet. So that's the truth. Well, I mean, we've figured that out today. Also on the Nintendo Power Cast and Communication. On that, when you slander Skyward Sword, I don't know about this. Oh, it's like it's like a reoccurring thing. Everybody knows all the listeners have agreed that that is true. Not all the listeners. Oh, don't guess like, but no, I love it. I love the quiet confidence he says that with. It's great. Yeah.  Oh, man, that's how you brush his teeth and he's just like, yeah, that's the first thought. Nightcrawler 724, your turn, bud. Hey, I'm Nightcrawler 724, Nightcrawlers Without the E. Pretty much on Twitter and TikTok are the two spots that I'm active, but not really kind of like similar to Eric. It sounds like I'm there, but I don't really do much. But you can catch me every week on Nintendo Power Cast. Best spot to get a lot of information about that is through n64josh.com, all of our stuff, I think ends up there. N64 Josh is our other co-host as well. So he's usually on, he's out this week. It's his birthday. So if you see him on Twitter, say happy birthday to him today. Happy birthday. Yeah. But yeah, and Nintendo Power Cast. Check it out. Heck yeah. You guys don't know who I am at this point. I'm the host of the podcast. First time you ever heard it, whether it's audio or video, we have a Nintendo Prime podcast. We do it usually every single Wednesday, 8pm central time. Otherwise, I'm just a YouTuber that gets people mad about Nintendo rumors. That's just what we do. I am not saying there will be a direct next week because I have no idea. But Jeff Grubb didn't say there might be a direct next week. So there is that a guy named Brazil on family boards. So there might be a direct next. He said there will be a direct next week. So those are not me. I'm not making these claims. Mike Odyssey is Johnny Boy. You're not a little wide away from me just calling you Johnny Boy. That's actually a good one. I should change my name to that. There you go.  Oh, this is in the same guy. He likes guys. I'm sorry, no. I mean, he was running about like dying. He got to rebrand. We get sore tomorrow, right? Sora comes out tomorrow. Oh, yeah, Sora comes out tomorrow. I got to hopefully find it. No pre-order. Good luck. Good luck. I don't have Pyro and Mithra either. Every single other course you got on the checkpoint. Did you get No on Mio? No. I got Pyro and Mithra boxed. No on Mio boxed. And I got the cheers of the Kingdom ones as well up there. But I did not get sorry yet. My Joker just shipped today. Actually, I got this Joker energy gummies. That is good for you. If you can use his link on his channel to an Amazon for 1% kickback. It's pretty cheap. It works half of the time. 100% of the time, you know. That's like the percent of the time it works every time. I saw him yesterday as a Larry of the Love of the Gatherer. I love him. It's great. Mm-hmm. All right. I don't know. I don't know. I was like, big foot. Pure gasoline. All right. It's got real bits of panther in it. So you know what's good. Sorry. Anchorman is just a classic. Come on now. I still don't know what we're yelling about. 20 plus years old now. Don't remind me. Don't remind me. I tried it. Rick killed the guy today. Is that all already? I think that's crazy. Yes. 21 years old. Wow, man. I should remember. We all love lamp. All right, guys. It did, didn't it? Yeah. I stabbed a man in the heart. I saw that. Rick killed a guy. Did you throw a trident? Yeah. There were horses and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident. Oh, that's great. All right, guys. Well, that's it for the Nintendo Prime podcast, episode 59. Next week is episode 60 of season two. Thank you guys for being here, and we will catch everyone next week. Better give up. There you go, guys. We'll go on. I haven't. I haven't. I'll try. I just always forget. Here it goes.