Hi everyone, Sean with jaspyscasebreaks.com here doing a 2019-20 Panini Gold Standard Soccer One Box Break Number 4 Random Number Block Style. So 10 spots sold, every spot will get a random number for the break, 0 through 9. If you get the number 3, you'll get all cards with 3 being the first number next to the slash on the left side of the slash. So for example, the cards numbered 13 out of 99, 3 out of 25, 43 out of 49, 93 out of 99, and so on, the number 3 will get the card. All redemption cards will go to the 0 spot, even if it is a known 1 of 1, it will still go to the 0 spot. All in person 1 of 1s, go to the 1 spot. So a couple details about the break itself, but everything else, straight forward. So here is the list of customers from John down to Joel, last spot mojo for Joel with the little asterisk there, and the numbers 0 through 9. Nice roll here to combine both lists, 3 out of 6, 9 times. So first on to the customers, 1, 9th and final time, from Nicholas down to Brenton. The numbers, I mean, the numbers are the numbers Rex, but it's the box and what comes out of it that matters. Now the numbers themselves, 9 times as well, right, 6 out of 3, 1, and 9th and final time, from 2 down to 9. It's what's inside that counts. Cool, let's make this a little bit larger. Trade window open, if anybody would like to trade, not very common, but cool. So Nicholas with 2, Joel with 5, Christopher with 7, Matthew with 0, Brenton with 3, John, Paul with 8, Eric with 1, Roger with 6, Shannon with 4, Brenton with 9. That's a song, friend. It doesn't sound like something that would be good. Matthew with 0 gets any and all redemptions, even known 1 of 1 redemptions. Eric would get any and all in person, 1 of 1s, so let's go ahead and print and rip. Cool, so here is our box. It was used in a commercial. Gold standard, very nice stuff, 7 cards. We're looking for 3 autographs or memorabilia cards per box on average. And there's the finalists. Good luck, everybody. And typically there's like 2 parallels on the back. Maybe not, maybe, well, maybe yes. Good luck. Rex, you were 4. You got 4. OK, first up, medallergy. Is that a made up word? Cooke from Atlético Madrid. Anybody smarter than me know if that is an actual name or not word? Medallergy, but that is number 33 out of 149. Going to spot 3, Brenton Young. Brad, it's a legit word. You're not pulling my chain, are you? Spot 3, Brenton Young. Apparently potentially means the study of metals. I'm going to look that up on my own afterwards. Christian Pulisic, a guy we were just talking about. 20 out of 129, spot 0, Matthew Shura. Let's not put that out in the world, Roger. Nice Pulisic there. Marco Asensio, oh, yeah, 2 cards. Marco Asensio from Spain, 72 out of 79. Spot 2, Nicolas Lali. Calladou Colabali, 15 out of 29 for SSC Napoli. Spot 5, Las Palmojo, Joel. Anthony Marshall, 37 out of 99. Relic for France and Christopher. Saplinsky, another Relic. Andrea Andrea Bellotti, 5 out of 29 for Italy. Spot 5, Joel. Domain of material science and engineering that studies the physical and chemical behavior of metallic elements, their inner metallic compounds and the mixtures, which are alloys. Thank you, Brad. Brad apparently did not pull my chain unless he looked up the definition for something else, which is possible still. And marks of gold auto, Mia Ham. Is she the one that, after she scored the goal, did the slide and took the shirt off, or was that somebody else? That was somebody else, right? Mia Ham married to Nomar Garcia-Para, or was dating him for a long time? Spot 96 out of 149. Spot 6, Roger. That was Brandy Chastain, OK. But Mia Ham was married to Nomar, right? Or dating him for a long time? So there you go, guys. That was the break, quick one, but nice. That was 2019-2020 Panini gold standard soccer one box break, random number block number four. I'm Sean, jaspyscasebreaks.com. Random number block number five will be in the store coming up, jaspyscasebreaks.com. Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you next time.


Okay, welcome welcome to unhinge with the door dork where door hardware nerds get together We slam and we knock on different door fills. We learn we laugh sometimes we even cry, but most importantly we have fun While dorking out on some doors Today we have two very special guests Welcome Mike and Pat Harry's locksmith service Okay, I'll You guys ready for the next one?  It's it's it's an it's an air horn and I would be scared I opened up the door all the way and it pushed up against that Well, maybe this is for like a constipation lab and so when you go in there you open the door and problem solved This is giving me college dorm vibes. I could totally see back in the day pranking one of my friends this way Yeah, people are stumbling into their dorm and they they push open and wake up the whole hall and Yeah Call this the the grandpa heart attack door stop Because you're gonna give someone a heart attack I think it's honestly, I think it's a great idea though. I See myself using this later on at home We're giving give him pass some ideas here for I mean, I don't like how serviceable it is because it looks like it's a one-time kind of deal Then you really gonna have to I would like a better bracket in order to have it installed so that when they you know The air runs out. You have a you know a quick change replacement, but Could you imagine opening this door and not realizing what was behind it? Yeah, why won't this open all the way like you open it gently? I want this open all the Yeah, it's Train your kids not the slam open the doors, right? There you go Maybe that's a new school project or maybe you need a better door closer or a door closer in general Maybe it's one of those things the parents put on there. So when their kids, they're sneaking out at night So not not too knocking bad, right? But if you guys gave it a knocking score and we'll jump on to the last picture See, I'm like, I think it's pretty good I mean, I guess I don't know the intent, but I'm guessing the intent is to have fun So I'm gonna give it a one thinking that's pretty great. Yeah without knowing a little bit more about it I don't see really any code violations unless the door doesn't open to like 90 degrees or something like that But yeah, it seems like it's more fun than you know anything else And we just we just gave a lot of door hardware nerds an idea for a prank Good any time any time. Yeah Maybe you guys should sort of engineer a bracket so that It makes it a little bit easier on the installer to put this on here Hey, this fits into you know where your previous wall stop was you can use the same Brackets with test this lovely device. I see this in the sergeant catalog at some point. Yeah Well, what are your part number of me?  Yep, so I sure hope you guys didn't do this install What do you guys see Let's see a panic bar on the residential grade door looks like it's got a Strike the wreck you got the motion rex over there on the wall. Yeah, Jason there That's that's kind of an odd position But I'm guessing they did that because of wiring in order to get the strike wire in the wrecks where they probably had one wire pole to get Sort of near each other. That's probably why they did that It's a little right in your face the the wrecks the Yeah, but I'm guessing probably for wiring reasons they did that because of the center You got the cinder block and there's obviously an electric strike on that door So in order to make it a little bit easier on the wire run, they just put the wrecks right there That's true. I didn't think about it that way this opening would have been a beast to wire. I mean Yeah, they solved all that just by putting electrifying the bar and putting the wrecks inside the device I'm just going to the center hinge and you could have just cleaned that up a little bit It looks like they got some sort of weather strip on here some weird stuff going on there or no, maybe not that's a Yeah, I just said all this on like a forty-nine dollar door. Yeah It's hard to say exactly what panic hard what panic device that is I think it's Looks like a precision now that I can zoom in with the HES 9600 electric strike the older version But yeah, I don't you know what looking at the looking at the zooming in on the wrecks the the cover plate There's a gasket around I don't think I mean if it was a light switch at one point obviously it's gone But they've done a different and I like how the the wrecks is actually much larger than the than the plate so that that's interesting But there's a I can see like a like a gray Cover plate with a with a gasket around it So if there was a light switch, they've used it a decent job of putting a better plate on there to mount to with a gasket It seems like they really seems like they went to a lot of Trouble to put this wrecks in when this door really shouldn't have been there in the first place with that door Still still a residential door with door And it's just so dirty like I that bothers me I'm not I'm not this guy But if if I'm gonna be working on a door like I would want it to be like I don't know It feels like there's like oil spread all over it like someone went crazy Yeah, I mean, it's pretty rare to see a residential great door in a hollow You know in a steel frame with a syndrome, you know with a cinder block You'll see that too often. Maybe you should have just got a different door I feel like we're if we I think if we did like a hundred a degree turn I feel like there'd be a staircase right there like we're in a bottom of a stairwell There's not only is the door dirty, but the you know the white cinder block around it looks looks like it So there's probably a lot of air pressure that goes out the door Like looks like there's a bunch of dust and doily's kind of trapped on the certain You know the porous surface of the of the cinder block So a lot of those doors and stairwells Let's say don't let's just say they don't focus on cleaning stairwells all that much in these buildings So it looks like this could be probably the exit to a stairwell But with again, where would you have a stairwell like that with the residential door? Like it just doesn't Where would you get a residential door in like that concrete steel frame? I just think it's like, hey, we got a door laying around. Does it fit? Yeah, put it in. All right. Well, yeah, but also where are you getting that dirty That you're directly going to the stairwell like are you not stopping?  Like what's wrong with this? Well Yeah, no, definitely some more obscure ones today. Okay, if final knocking square What would you guys give this install? Oh, I'm gonna give it a I'll give it an eight eight Just from an install stamp, but like I don't like the Rex over there I don't like that. I mean, I just wouldn't have done it that way But sometimes there's sometimes you can't see the force of the trees So I don't know all the other challenges that may have been presented but from a function. Does it work? Probably See, I'm gonna give it a little bit better I'm gonna get it like a five just because I'm gonna assume they had a budget of about $150 And they were able to meet it by doing everything this way And they definitely didn't hire a professional to well, I guess it could have been professional, you know For sure somebody that didn't know about the other options. Yes Yeah, what's your know Mia? What's your number? um From a I would give it about a three. I don't think there's any code violations here The install could have been done better, but um, it seems like everything's secure around like secured to the door There's no pizza peels behind the exit device We've seen worse, uh, there's no mountain dew fire extinguishers in the vicinity You know, I'm not an installer or a locksmith. So, you know, I have to rely on your expertise, but from like a code In standpoint and things like that. I don't I don't see a ton wrong here other than their their their paint choice, um for the area It doesn't definitely doesn't have the famous way Well, um, thank you pat and mike From harry's locksmith uh for being here and uh, thank you me as well Join us next time on the episode of uh, unhinge our doors are always open because They're unhinged Don't forget to like this video and subscribe to our channel. Thanks for watching


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Dawton, but he persuaded that he doesn't have enough men to attack crazy dogs. Well, uh, a courier is to be sent to the other squadron. They'll join forces before attacking. Well, that sounds better. A guy passed before morning. Captain Windsor for these men should be able to get here by tomorrow afternoon. But we haven't made contact with your patches yet. But how did I find this stronghold? In Copper Canyon? Yes, Chris. Let's get back to camp, we've got the camp. Not so fast, we have more to tell you. Crazy dogs' braves aren't very well-armed, but he has nearly 200 of them. It would be inviting a massacre if Captain Dawton should ride past Needle Point in the canyon with only 50 men. Well, you'll not do that. You wait for Captain Windsor if that's their plan. The camp cheer until dawn and... We'll see you later. After the captain's path for a life was still showing, he's scratched on the canvas. Who's there? 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I'll make a note of your suggestion. What? Wouldn't it be more than a point to act on it? That's my decision, isn't it? But Captain... You were present when Captain Windsor and I made our plans. Is it contacted the enemy? That hasn't happened yet. But you have the word... If he says Crazy Dog Stronghold is in Copper Canyon, that's where it is. When I'm convinced of that, I'll send for reinforcements. And not before. Captain, you'll see no sign of the Indians until you're past Needle Point. After that, it will be too late to retreat. And with only 50 men, you'll be wiped out. I doubt that Crazy Dog has as many as 200 braves. And even if he has... 50 troopers should be more than a match for them. With surprise on the side of the Apaches? In the sort of terrain you'll find inside the canyon? I have complete confidence in my man. So am I! As long as I'm not faced with the impotent young and eager to make a name for yourself, Captain. Very glory hunting to the extent of a dangerous mouth. 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So, you probably saw that now. I was at work earlier today and now I am home from work in my unfinished, completely disastrous studio, which I'll show you in an upcoming video. I'm doing like this whole unboxing video slash desk setup video, but literally disaster because of everything that's happening with my desk. Not gonna get into it now because you've seen by the title of this video, we were going to be talking if fellowship is worth it. So let's go ahead and get into it. All right, so again, excuse the mess. This is like literally, I don't know if you can see this or not, this is literally the upside down desk that I'm setting up on the floor right now. They had to re-deliver the actual top to this desk two times now, oh wait, three times now. So that's coming soon. And I already talked about it and I already said I wasn't gonna talk about it but I did, but let's get into the video. So, answer the first question. Was interventional radiology fellowship worth it? And the answer is, yes. All right, so reason number one why I think IR fellowship is perfect and you should do it is because IR is very much a hands-on field. It is very much a tactile field just as much as it is cerebral. And what I mean by that is almost everything you do in IR is based on the field. Every procedure you do has a certain tactile response. Ultimately, doing a whole year of IR, it teaches you just how hard you can push or how aggressive or when to be aggressive and that's something you can't really teach. You have to just do it. So when you do it over and over again, you know exactly the limitations, exactly how hard you can push and exactly the tactile response when things are going great or when things are not going great. This entire field is almost based around knowing how hard you can push or when to push harder or how aggressive to be with your push. So I'll give you a little example. So anybody who's starting out doing central lines especially like a dialysis catheter, which is a pretty big catheter going in your neck, you have to tunnel the catheter underneath the skin and oftentimes getting that catheter in the neck or getting the peel away sheath into the neck can be very difficult because you're fighting against a lot of soft tissue with a very large 15 French or higher object. So the biggest thing I see with people starting out is when they're first trying to place that line and put the sheath over the wire, they get to the skin and then they get to it and it's not going easily so they just stop because mainly they don't know how hard you can push and they don't know how safe it is to push hard. So what I always do, it's easy for me now is if someone's struggling I'll just go over there and go boom and like jam it in because I know the limitations and that's mostly what IR is. It's basically knowing how hard to push and knowing when you can push harder. That simplifies our field quite a bit but that's a lot of it, I promise. The second reason you should do a fellowship and why I thought it was worth it because it gives you a chance to kind of immerse yourself into interventional radiology and eat, sleep and breathe IR and that is all you do the whole year and it gets you in that mindset of thinking like an interventional radiologist. Doing IR things or doing IR procedures or thinking about IR becomes routine and it becomes a habit and you end up doing it without even thinking about it which is exactly what you should be doing in fellowship and that's exactly how you will be expected to perform when you're in the hospital as an attending. It's kind of like when you go away for a basketball camp or something.  It's the same thing in IR except you do it for a year long. It's like a year long IR camp. It's kind of a bad analogy but you know what I mean. The next reason why IR fellowship was worth it to me is that you get to meet a lot of full people. You get to meet all of your co-fellows. You get to form bonds with your co-fellows because you are both going through that crazy thing that is fellowship and as you all have seen on my prior videos when I was on call on fellowship if you haven't seen those go check them out up here. But you've seen how hard we work and how little sleep we get and how long we spend at the hospital and you kind of want to commiserate with your friends or co-fellows because they're the only people that actually understand what you're doing at that time. You form really close bonds with your colleagues and co-fellows and that friendship will last forever. Point being, now I'm two months out of fellowship and all of my fellows still have a group chat where we text each other pretty much daily. We text each other cases. If we're doing a procedure we're not comfortable with. We ask them advice on that procedure. We ask them what techniques they use, what supplies they use, what catheter, what wire, all this stuff.  Once you're in attending, you are the person and there's nobody that's gonna really teach you anything anymore. So it's good to have a group of colleagues that you can rely on, that you train together with and yeah, not to mention, you have these friends for life and I don't think I will ever stop texting the group or running things by each other because that's what you do. Even as 10 or 20 year, 30 year attending they still run things by each other and usually it's either their mentors or their co-fellows who they did fellowship with. Also I have another group text with all of my co-fellows slash fifth year residents at UNC who I chat with all the time about cases as well. So it basically just further demonstrates how you keep contact with these people and you build amazing relationships together. The next reason why you should do an hour of fellowship is you get to learn what you don't wanna do or what you don't want out of a career. The thing with fellowship is you get to work with eight a lot of different attendings with a lot of different mentors. Every single person has a different way of doing things. You get to learn a little piece from each one of them and you get to realize which way you don't like doing things which technique you don't like doing, which technique you do like doing and you get to kinda pick and choose what you like amongst every single person you work with and put it off the other and develop your own personal way of doing things.  I would do it this way instead of that way. Obviously you don't say that while you're in fellowship but you think it, you talk with your co-fellows about it and then you make a little mental note, I'd rather do it this way than that way.  You also get to learn what kind of career you want.  Do you wanna be a private practice interventionalist? Do you wanna do complex cases day in and day out? Do you not wanna do IR at all or do you wanna do minimally complex cases? You learn all this in fellowship and you get to see a little bit of everything and that's the most important part.  Now just to piggyback that a little bit you also get to figure out what kind of niche you wanna fall into in interventional radiology. So every attending you'll notice if you do an interventional fellowship they'll always sub-sub-specialize or supra-sub-specialize in certain aspects of our field. For instance, some may do more pediatric interventional work or some may do only vascular work like renal angiograms, venous procedures or venous re-pian. Some may do hepatobiliary work or oncology work where you're embolizing liver tumors. Others may focus on your logical aspects of IR like prostate artery embolization or others may focus on uterine fibroid embolizations. There's so many different niches in IR and it's good to see all of them and figure out which kind of niche or pathway you wanna go down in your career. For me, I'm still only two months out so I don't really know what pathway I want to go down. I'm still trying to figure it out, getting used to kind of working on my own and eventually I'll decide what I wanna do. But at least I know I have an idea of what I wanna do because I got to see it all. It's way better than not being able to see anything and kind of figuring out your path as you go. You quickly realize in fellowship you like or dislike something almost immediately. The next reason I thought IR fellowship was worth it is because you get to see and do the most crazy, crazy cases in the entire world that you'll probably never see again. You'll probably never do again, but you get to see them. And that's really important because you get to see the sickest patients. You get to see the most one-off cases of all time. You get to participate or do all of it. You take everything you learn during those cases and apply it going forward in pretty much anything. And even if you don't do complex, crazy stuff later on in your career, at least you can either say you did it or at least take something you learned off that case and apply it to something you do. The next reason I thought IR fellowship was worth it is probably my favorite reason. And that's because you get to try something new. You get to go to a different place and live somewhere new for a year. Maybe you're stuck in a rut.  Maybe you broke up with your fiance or a significant other. And maybe you wanna move and live in a new apartment in a huge city and meet other people. That's one of the best benefits of being able to do a fellowship. You don't have to stay put where you are in residency. You can go somewhere new and try something else. Change is a good thing. Whoa, my light flickered. Change is always a good thing. I don't hear what people say. And arguably the most important thing after doing fellowship, you will finally feel comfortable and that itself is worth doing an entire year of fellowship because that is the goal when you're an attending physician, feeling comfortable, feeling confident, doing procedures, doing them safely, doing them effectively, and doing them efficiently is worth everything. It's worth all the hours of call. I promise you it's worth it. And that's why I think fellowship is totally worth it. Probably in any field, but definitely international radiology. So on that note, hopefully this office will be ready on the next video or two and it won't be so echoey in here. Coming soon, I promise, just bear with me. We're still getting our same setup, but thank you for watching this video. Make sure you smash that subscribe button, follow me on Instagram, and tick-tock if you don't already and I'll see you all on the next video. Bye. And in Geronimo's video, go check her out too. Bye.


Allow me to take you six years back when I first entered my introductory computer science class at uni. As my eyes scanned across the lecture theatre, I discovered that my course had very few females in it. To my horror, this got even worse when I stepped into my tutorials and realized I was the only girl there. Did you know that last year only 16% of computer science graduates were female? This is significantly low compared to all other STEM fields where the percentage of females levels somewhere between 30 to 50%. Previous research establishes that the lack of females in computer science might be due to the negative perceptions about the field that label it as being highly male dominated, too technical, irrelevant, and specifically for geeky and antisocial individuals.  No. But as someone who would like to encourage girls to move on from being consumers of technology to becoming actual producers of it. As I've looked into my research, I've realized that females prefer to pick majors that have a positive societal impact or the ability to bring about some sort of a change in the world. So my theory is that if computer science can be portrayed as a more socially relevant and people oriented discipline, more females may find it interesting. Software can be displayed as a tool to solve or mitigate real world problems. So instead of asking students to design a game, they can be asked to create a program which lets them find the shortest route to the nearest Red Cross facility in times of a natural disaster. My research focuses on consulting high school teachers currently teaching digital technologies to include socially relevant content within their classrooms. I hope that my research can benefit teachers who are currently struggling to teach computer science content with additional resources and a source of motivation. Not only this, I aim to help future students, especially females, make wiser career choices when they actually know what computer science is capable of rather than what it has perceived to be. Remember that gender equality is not a woman's issue. It is a human issue. It affects us all. Thank you.


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Well welcome everybody thank you for having made it here running from the previous session that we understood Ended a bit later. So we decided to Well, we have less time so we decided to have a different format for the session We will start with a short introduction We will leave the floor to the speakers and then we will open up the space for questions and interactive exchanges So can I invite everybody's in the back to maybe sit around the table if there are some free seats Available so good morning everybody and welcome. You've been here for a couple of days I do participating in the tic-tac forum or the integrity forum that is happening at are happening at the moment Starting with introducing ourselves. My name is Barbara Baldy and I lead the work on digital government and open data at the OCD and my colleague Alessandro Bellantone was the head of the open government work at the OCD And I think the fact that we are organizing the session together is a little bit a testimony of the approach that we would like to take at the OCD Which is Overcoming a little bit the silo approach we see in some countries Leading to digital government strategies open data strategies open government strategies and policies initiatives that are Disconnected and also we would like to move a little bit beyond the hype of thinking that all the new opportunities and tools that we have available Provide automatically the way for having more collaborative democracy meaning more integration of users needs and Opinions in the way with design policies with design services and we bring value to all our citizens So a little bit the discussion we would like to have with you here today is yes Let's recognize that is an age where we have new opportunities, but let's also see if this is really happening Or not so if this digital and era is actually bringing our governments closer to the society And these I leave the floor to Ale. That's the same Good afternoon As Barbara said one of the One of the tasks that the open government unit at the OCD has given to itself is in fact that of going to countries that are already pretty active in the fields of Participatory democracy, especially in how new technologies is informing These practices and go there and test whether the principles of democracy Inclusiveness and participation are in fact upheld in the in the in the way this these practices are shaped And what we are seeing more and more is in fact that we have a lot of isolated success stories that are very Inspiring and that are even successful sometimes not all the time But this is not yet being transformed in the new way democracy works At the local level maybe more than at the central level But we are we feel there's a sort of an experimentation kind of face that is being protected and and perhaps it's about time to stop this kind of Improvised approach and maybe transform this practice into institutionalized solid robust the methodologies that can allow Governments and and at all levels To really better include the voice and the views of all stakeholders in their policymaking cycles and in service delivery But in this session, we only have less than an hour But we'll try to be as concise as possible But also we would like to explore how this can happen and how this can affect the quality of policies and services And since we have great speakers with us I will leave at the floor to the speakers to share with us a little bit their first thoughts about the reality and our opportunities and challenges are actually being Connected at the moment starting with more who's a friend For those who don't know more I will introduce her Underlining some of the few of the things that she's been doing in the past few years and she's responsible for more is a manager at data labs at 360 giving which is an initiative that aims to Basically Help governments to have more evidence-based impactful and strategic approaches And that's also very complimentary to the other Head that brings her here today Which is being the founder of open heroines Which has the mission to give us visible platform for women to express their thoughts ideas and critique But more has also been extremely active in the open data community and she has very critical Constructive thoughts so maybe you can share some of your ideas and experiences on some of the open questions That we put on the table more Hi, everybody So I'm working with the philanthropic sectors with governments and with civil society and what I learned in the past few years it's that it's all come to design and unfortunately Government and civil society do not have all the capacity to understand design or to run design sessions So when we're speaking about how to be more collaborative how to be more Democratic and how to create better processes. We need to look at these designs But I think in reality we don't even when we look at our technologies and even though it's Something that we see is in the open data movement at least like this discussions of like starting to choose a center design and how to implement it In reality, it's little to be done And I actually can't really blame government for not doing it It's something that they're not used to do when thinking about these processes in tech and collaboration They have like old-fashioned waterfall designs that used to work in the past, but do not work now and to be fair Sometimes they still work for government because they can keep doing their work forever And why do I think design because if we do want to basically understand how these processes work? We need to look at intersectionality. We need to look at gender. We need to look at age We need to look at location and we need to look at all of them together What helps for women in their 30s probably will not help to women in their 60s Sometimes it is, sometimes it doesn't, but most of our design processes in government are not done by this intersectionality They're usually done as population and as Caroline Carito Perez wrote in our new book That I recommend to read and to be critical about the gender data gap The we actually the invisible women exactly We usually when we design we design thinking of a person and a person usually in 95% of the cases will be a man and it will be a very In a man in good health, let's say that so we don't look at disabilities We don't look at other Proportions of body we don't look at other proportions on language as well language is really important We're coming to speak to people so it's not only the technology itself is what we write on that technology and Sometimes because of all the hype as Barbara said we are lacking these languages And our country's becoming more diverse and speaking more and more languages even though some people don't want that So it's really important to understand how to design that and not necessarily how to also design a great ux Although user interface should be good and great to everybody But again, I don't know how to answer how to create this design to government and how to do it Like we know the data literacy is lacking So I'm pretty sure the design like literacy is lacking even more and I'm pretty sure that most governments will not have a user interface designer or UX designer on board So we need to look also in that and lastly If we want to make people to feel like they can speak they need to feel that their voices heard But there's nothing will happen to them We need to design safe spaces to create them and we are lacking that at all even in our Nice initiative like the open government partnerships or others It's really hard sometimes to voice to feel like you can voice I voice all the time because I'm very rude and I'm liking it But other people but other people will not feel comfortable with it specifically women So we need to make sure that when women do voice expert like voice They're concerned they're being heard and they're not being bullied luckily never happened to me But a lot of other women that I speak to did happen to them And this is the reason why they don't speak and I don't know how we create this mechanism with thank government to make it Happen but what usually happen when you do speak to government erase this concern is that they become more in the defensive And this is something that I don't think tech can help how to make people to understand that this is not a critique This is feedback and how to get to speak again without feeling on the defense because at the end of the day and I work In my home country as well. I work with many Public officials and they always like to hear the pat on the back and how they done well and every time we tell them That something went wrong after that they shutting off completely men and women So we need to make sure that when they do hear this feedback They gather this feedback and understanding and I don't know yet how to create it within a machine That will make this feedback heard in a nicer way. So at the end of the day Yes, that is really nice, but we need to look at all of this like human Design that we need to think about how to create this feedback and actually make people feel safe listen And actually part of the process by being designed because we can ever design to the whole population. So let's Think how we like tackle one population at a time or one population that it's relevant for the topic and how we can actually move Well, thank you So no better speaker on this than Claudia Shfalis who was now I can probably say a colleague of ours She's a member of the open government team But Claudia before joining the OCD has been working on deliberative processes for quite some time And she's the author of the book the people's verdict adding informed citizens voices to public decision-making Claudia some thoughts you can share with us Great, yes, thanks very much And I think what I'm about to say really follows nicely what Miriam was just talking about Because the kind of overarching question of how we we framed the session and that I was thinking about when preparing these notes was How do we involve everyday people from all walks of life? Directly in policymaking But in such a way that actually allows them to give a constructive and an informed point of view and input into public decision-making So those two aspects are really key and often we get top of mind opinions Or we're asking not very representative groups of people what they think about things But there is ever-increasing evidence that through using these longer form deliberative processes like citizens assemblies For instance, and we're able to actually try and counter those two parts So breaking apart that that question there are two parts of it first How do we involve everyday people in into? Participation so there are two elements to that the first is that it actually has to be a meaningful opportunity To change things. I think we all have an innate sense of when our time is being wasted But when we know that what we're going to devote maybe a few a few weekends to Will actually have a direct impact on one of the policies that's affecting our lives our community There's like overwhelming evidence that people are more than willing to actually give up that time when they're asked to do So so the first is actually having that meaningful opportunity the second Is through through sortition or random selection? Sometimes this is called a civic lottery and this means that you really give everybody an equal opportunity to be selected in the first place It means it often comes in the form of everybody or not everybody It's usually around 10 to 30,000 people will receive a letter from their mayor or their minister or a public authority Inviting them to participate in this citizens assembly on Whatever local issue or it could be a national issue Will you give up four or five weekends of your time to help give us recommendations? Which we will then act upon so through combining those two things you still end up with some sort of self-selection bias So you still have the people who are more likely to participate which tend to be men Who are white and well off and well educated? And and there's a lot of research with facts that up, but when you combine it with the meaningful You know when it's an invite from someone who actually has authority You also get the people who have never gone to a town hall meeting who have never voted who have never participated in any other way So you do end up actually reaching everyday people from all walks of life and being able to bring them together So that's what the one aspect and then the second aspect is how How do you engage people in a way that actually allows them to give an informed? Perspective rather than just what they think off the top of their minds about something and here That's where you actually need to give the time and the resources to allow people to deliberate I mean deliberation when you when you look at the definition. It means long and careful discussion It implies that it's actually it's the best arguments that went out rather than just the loudest voices or the most money behind something or or the biggest push behind coming from from that sense and So a lot of the deliberative processes that take place They people meet for four or five six weekends over numerous months Because that's that's the only way you can get to grips a really complex issue to hear from lots of experts to Read about it to also have time in between those meetings to talk to your family to your friends to your colleagues But what you're up to and also feed their opinions in Also, a lot of these processes tend to combine Be combined with other forms of engagement So for instance in between in the middle of these meetings There might be a public town hall where the participants of the randomly selected assembly will answer questions We'll also get feedback from the wider public which they then bring into the rest of their deliberations and And then the last element of that which is important is that these are moderated discussions, which mean that It's not just the people who feel the most comfortable who end up dominated the discussions because there's someone there who facilitates those discussions and make sure that everybody really has an equal chance to speak and to have their voice reflected in and And and so the combination of these two things really allows that to happen And we've heard one example of how this is being done in reality, which is about to kick off in in the UK But it's been a long time that in some countries I mean I most familiar with the research that I've done in Canada and Australia where it's been about a decade that Governments at all levels of governance local regional state provincial and national Have used the randomly selected assemblies to help help them solve big and important issues like developing National strategies to tackle obesity to 30 year infrastructure investment plans Developing new housing legislation. So really big issues That they've been done on and one one of the more interesting developments That's been happening is something which Alessandro touched on in his introductory remarks that it's moving from being just Away from being just these one-off ad hoc initiatives to being institutionalized as a normal way of doing things in some places So just three weeks ago in the German speaking region of Belgium The Parliament's there has now put in place a randomly selected citizens council Which is 24 people who will actually have an agenda setting power They will decide on what are the one two or three issues every year that will go to a randomly selected Citizens assembly who will have three months at least to tackle and give recommendations to the parliament on that issue So it's a it's really Starting to change the infrastructure of our democracies and bringing people into the picture in a way that Compliments our representative institutions, but gives them more power Thank you very much. I think this morning. We had a session on the use of big data for supporting anti-corruption efforts and policies and I think one of the clear messages that came from the from the panelists, but also from the participants was Make it democratic if you use data to show, you know Decisions make it possible for the common people the average person to actually understand use and interact And I think so that's a very common message that brings me to the last panelist who's been working for quite some time on Issues that are cross-cutting between the digital discourse and narrative and the open government discourse and narrative Amanda Clark She's assistant professor at the School of Public Policy and Administration at Calton University and Amanda 2019 launched the book opening the government of Canada the federal bureaucracy in the digital age Which precisely looks at the response of government to new opportunities like social media crowd sourcing open data User-centered design. So how can we make sure that as the government matures in its capacity to be Ready to take up the opportunities of digital age doesn't forget all these key issues that are those that remain Relevant to make all these efforts Both purposeful and useful for everybody Great, thank you, and I'll thank the others for their Interventions as well. So I mean I thought what I'd use my five minutes for is is to just return to the question of you know What we know from research so far and what I've seen in my own work on How to generate more inclusive policymaking which is really the focus of this whole session So I have five quick points to make The first I think is that in some of these return to basics, right? They're sort of technology neutral and we can find a long history of research on citizen engagement that would support these findings The first is I think to really be clear about what your goal is So is your goal to use engagement to give more political legitimacy or a democratic license to government policy? Decisions or is it to tap expertise or is it both? And I think that will really shape how inclusive you need to be because it shapes the question of you know Well, how many stakeholders do I need around that table? I mean I've spoken to civil servants who say a truly And helpful form of engagement on this policy would mean that I actually bring in like the six experts on this topic Or the seven industry groups that work on this which is different from a process where you would say we want to bring in a Representative cross-section of citizens and so I think being clear about what your objective is Is it legitimacy or expertise or both can be helpful? The second thing I think that's useful to remember is to not assume the availability and willingness of Citizens to participate in some of these processes, which is one of the big assumptions that I think we we all fall into We're all here because we're excited about democracy and government We're also of a certain level of education We have certain resources that have enabled us to have the time to spend a few days at a civic tech conference in Paris But I think when we talk about broad-based participation and in particular bringing in some of those more marginalized typically Kind of ignored voices. We're talking about people where you know participating in a Deliberative exercise over six weekends is probably not an option So how do we accommodate that question of resources and time and just sheer interest? You know, are we assuming that citizens actually want to be participating to the extent? We assume we do when we push for things like digital democracy or broad-based deliberative reforms for the policymaking process Think another point is being careful about assuming knowledge. This is another sort of conceit of the Open policymaking movement is I mean, I think on the one hand policy makers often Discount the everyday lived experience and knowledge of those on the ground who aren't from typical sort of You know sources of expertise So We have to challenge that stereotype But also I think you know, we've seen from certain engagement processes that aren't well designed that citizens often ask for things that are not actually good with them or that when we're simply aggregating Individual interests we can get into situations of tyranny of the majority or you know Where we can't actually push forward progressive policies that on mass are not popular Canada's pushing forward a carbon tax right now It has a carbon tax rather if you were to pull every citizen and put it through a referendum I don't think we have a carbon tax yet. We know that I want to tackle climate change So it's a political perspective, but I'm happy that we're putting forward progressive policies in that regard So I also think we want to be honest with ourselves about you know Like what happens when we engage on some of these more contentious policy issues where they involve people suffering potentially individual costs for greater collective good The fourth point is around, you know, where does digital come in to all of this My experience is that online tools are like for a lot of the policy making open policy making the governments are leading are not Necessarily that helpful in many cases what they tend to do is scale up the engagement to a degree that is not actually useful I'm happy to have that view challenged I think there's creative ways to use tools obviously to tap into perspectives But when you get into these very qualitative values-based debates Those are hard to handle in an online space where you've got many many participants And then the last point I'd make is just that I think we have to be careful here about drawing a distinction between Engagement on policy making on policy decisions that are happening earlier in the policy process So where we're identifying policy problems to address different policy tools or objectives that we want to achieve Versus engaging the public on service design Because by the time you get to the service design or the program design a lot of those earlier decisions are already made the actual Values-based questions about what we want our government to do how we want our resources to be expended By the time you get to the service It's like how do we make it work well at the point of transaction and that's where I think most governments are most Enthusiastic right now I mean I love your point that government like anybody don't like giving up power and when you engage citizens earlier in the Values-based conversations or where you're discussing how we want taxes to be collected or not and how we want them to be expend expended Governments are obviously more hesitant to have those kinds of conversations But when it's engaging citizens at the point of transaction, it's an easy sell to administrators because that's a way to Reduce the cost of government. So, you know, I think we have to be Careful about saying that the move to user-centered government is about more democratic government because I don't think it is I can think of a number of governments right now in Canada that are investing heavily in digital teams to do amazing user-centered design While at the back end they're cutting all the services that those websites produce you can have the example I like that I was discussing earlier with with somebody from French government working on the digital team was You know our Ontario government has a beautiful user-centered design interface for applying for student loans at the same time That government has just cut the student loans program So it's all well and good to tell me it's a user-centered process But my user need as a low-income student would be better loans and the whizzy website is like lipstick on a pig So I think there's a risk that the more we invest in user-centered design As opposed to thinking as well about engaging citizens on values and preferences We actually run the risk of really disenchanting citizens in a sense and that's something that I'd love to talk about today Thank you I think it's very important to remember how different processes might lead to different types of engagement and for what purpose because I Agree with you that much of the discussion and Alan I talk often about this is around the service delivery The service design and the policy making which implies, you know Sharing values and opening up the ideas around values early on in the process It's something that in the narrative that sells is much less present. Well, thank you very much for having made that important point I would like now to leave the floor for questions interactions comments from the floor. Maybe keep it short and clear And if it is directed to one of the panelists, please Indicate the person and maybe you can introduce yourself Can you summarize the answer the question before you answer because it's not recorded We can take I think we have one here and one there So more Can use the microphone you have the advantage of everyone So more mentions and sort of being the panel game The process more inclusive And in the UK, there's obvious section that are specifically by voting. So we've got a great teams You've got prisoners the section There's obstacles that aren't necessarily legal but homeless people have a lot of obstacles So when you say about sortition being used to ensure that the Citizens assemblies are representative Is it a case of Increase the inclusion by making it a requirement that the government specifically and Visibly exclude people by virtue of legislation such as with prisoners Rather than or is One question there My question unsurprisingly is about the use of technology in this like citizens assemblies I was wondering I take Amanda's point very seriously that there's no Value in jumping to the conclusion that you're going to add to a process by adding on a digital element Um, so I wonder if there are any examples Either in your experience or maybe for years of really good use of the two in conjunction My own early speculation is maybe that there's some value in story time around so sortition is a very nerdy word But it's very well established in the context of juries And one of the reasons for that is we have a very culturally embedded concept of how a jury works There are plays and novels and films about how the jury works We don't really have that in the sense with some of these Democratic Okay, so there are a number of questions about the innovation democracy program, so I'll try and answer them all together Um, you asked what issues the citizens assemblies will be covering and if they were any they were excluded Um, I can't really answer that because we haven't decided which local authorities we're going to be working with yet But It's the the issues they can cover or anything that the local authority has jurisdiction over so that could be a little transport policies could be waste management could be tackling hate crime community cohesion It could be inclusive growth. It could be anything that that local authority can control And can have a policy on and can do something about We can have the citizens assembly on and what government is saying is that we aren't going to dictate that We don't have any preferences. It has to be what matters to local people and what matters to the local authority in terms of its priority Having said that there was one issue that we had to exclude Um that we can't cover anything to do with housing and planning um because we have such severe housing targets that um Essentially the government was very worried that we might do it may reverse a decision that has taken in a through a quasi judicial process Which is the planning process in the uk So we actually could we had to kind of steer clear of anything that could um get in the way of that judicial system or quasi judicial system essentially so we had to exclude that um What we asked when we asked um local authorities to bid to be part of the program We asked them to to demonstrate for the issue that they were proposing to us that they wanted to cover Was one that was a priority issue for their local communities and that they were going to have to deal with kind of in the coming months and years so So the question whether citizens will be involved in choosing the topics No, but that's partly a timing issue Um, but what we've asked the local authorities to prove that when they said we want to work on X issue they had to approve to us why they know that's a priority for citizens So it might have come out of surveys they've done It might have come out of protests that have happened in the local area So they know this is something people care about So it isn't just a random thing that the local authority thinks is uncontroversial and easy. It has to be something that is of importance um You asked whether the decisions are binding on the local authorities Uh in the first iteration of the program Yes, they were and then I spoke to some local authorities and said so if we made these citizen assemblies binding on you Are you up for it? They're like no, no, that's never going to happen They were never going to get their leader and their chief executives the political and the executive leadership to Um Buy into this process if we were basically saying before the process has even started you have to commit to delivering what comes out so We kind of retracted a little bit on that and said Okay, it doesn't have to be binding on you But you need to respond to every recommendation that comes out of the citizens assembly And there has to be a presumption in favor of delivering it And if you're not going to deliver it You have to stand up and explain loudly and publicly and transparently exactly why not because people are going to want to know Because what we we know from previous citizens assemblies that have happened around the world is that what comes out of them are really sensible Recommendations there should be no reason given all the context and the constraints The citizens assembly members will know about exactly the same constraints the local authority would face that um There is no reason why they shouldn't come out with really sensible recommendations that local authorities should put into practice and the last question was about um Whether the citizens assembly make up the membership um if that's inclusive of everybody Or does it exclude in the same way that the voting system excludes people The answer is it's not going to be perfect No, it can't be partly for prisoners and you actually have to be in the room so You're kind of excluded if you can't get to the meeting room because you're in prison. That's partly an issue but also the What what we're trying to do though is make it as inclusive as possible So we're not using the electoral roles as the um database to which we will um randomly select because those In some areas exclude up to 20 percent of people Not because they aren't eligible to vote just because certain community groups certain groups don't actually register to vote and we don't want to exclude them So the database that we will use is the post office register Which in the uk is the most comprehensive register of addresses and households in the country So it doesn't exclude people who are homeless. I'm sorry. It does exclude people who are homeless It will include somebody who basically has no fixed vote So it's not perfect, but it's as good as we can do given the imperfect system That's question. Yeah, so I had the question of uh, how to how Like what by what mechanisms should governments try to engage citizens earlier on on policy work And I think there, you know, I liked how uh, james anderson put it this morning Or at lunchtime, which was basically, you know, there's no one vehicle I think you have to decide which instrument of participation makes sense for the issue at hand And I think in particular given your objective So if your goal is to produce more robust policy making Or you know better policy responses, then it might mean that you literally do just need to get on the phone with a group of scientific experts or International, you know an international meeting of other governments who dealt with this and see what worked in their context If the goal is to raise trust Amongst the citizenry on a contentious policy issue and get sort of democratic license to innovate in that space Then you're probably talking about something like a citizens assembly or more of a deliberative forum If the goal is education, then I think something like participatory budgeting might make sense Where you know, I think one of the outcomes of that sort of an exercise is citizens understanding The hard trade-offs that governments have to make So it takes a lot of kind of front-end design Work in deciding which instrument of engagement to use in the first place Which is why I'm always concerned when I see governments who tend to just do sort of A consultation like they throw up a white paper or whatever and they say give us your feedback And that gets you know, it kind of is the default form of engagement. I mean that's pretty thin and Probably is appropriate for many problems And I think often isn't even done With a with the department or the policy shop deciding in the first place what their goal was so That's some of the work. I'd like to see Happen more is and then I think post facto some evaluation of whether you actually achieve that objective And this I'd maybe throw out at the other panelists here is you know, to what extent from your research and work Have you found that Things like citizens assemblies or deliberative democracy achieve those outcomes So do we know that they lead to Do they grow citizens levels of trust in the state post facto? Do they see that the decision is more legitimate? Is it just those who immediately participated in the assembly or in the deliberative democracy? Exercise or do they is there a spillover effect where they talk to their social networks about hey I've just paid it in this thing and I learned all this stuff from government and actually you know It's a hard job that they do maybe we should be a bit more empathetic Or it is a disillusion them because we know That sometimes when you see how the sausage is made in government you have less trust in those processes Which I think we also shouldn't discount. So I'll throw that out at you I mean, maybe I'll start from there and then I'll pick up the question earlier I'm loving all the metaphors And I'll pull it at her. What can I say? No, but I think you ask a really good question about what is the impact on those things And that's one area where there's clearly not enough research yet. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence So from doing interviews with participants or with the with the organizers of these assemblies, you know that It definitely has a big effect on the people who have participated in them on their sense of agency Their sense of efficacy So they they have a greater sense of being able to change things around them and have greater confidence in themselves So I don't think that's a minor thing to be discounted even though it's a small group of people And I think that's where the argument for Institutionalizing the use of them so that as many people as possible at least once in their lives have the opportunity to participate Comes in there has been some research done That's a bit more through in ireland. So I don't know how many people are familiar here, but in ireland there was a citizen's convention first and then a citizen's assembly So the latter one was about abortion and repealing the 8th amendment Which lasted for five months and it was this assembly which recommended to the the parliament that there should be a referendum on this issue Because in ireland you need to have a referendum to change the constitution And if if people vote to change it, this is the way it should be changed. And there There was a really high proportion of people in the wider public that knew that this happened That the researchers who did this work found that lots of this prompted more deliberative Interactions within wider society between people that changed the nature of the kinds of discussions people were having on such a really sensitive and controversial issue and that People who knew about the assembly were much more likely to vote in favor of the assembly's recommendations So afterwards we can't get any more wider conclusions than that But I think it's still something to suggest that it does have an impact And things and then very quickly so we can have maybe a couple more questions about combining tech with citizens assembly because it's also An excellent question Here the traditional way has been more to have websites and live streaming to have Transparency so that all of the material that experts show the citizens assembly are also available to the wider public There's nothing kind of hidden in the back room of this is what's going on No one knows what's happening. Um, I think the storytelling thing you point out is really interesting I think it's starting to happen. There's a short documentary about the irish citizens assembly I just mentioned called when citizens assemble which if you're interested in this I recommend you watch it's actually quite good And I think it was a good job of telling the story. There's a few interviews with people and so on but I will I think the most interesting development there is what's happening in Madrid Because I guess as a civic tech community you might be familiar with the platform to see the Madrid Which has been in place for for a little while now and it's a platform which Citizens can propose ideas which then can can be taken forward based on a number of votes And what they've been finding is that it tends to be the people with them People and organizations with the most money and resources who have their ideas actually go forward So to help counter this problem, they've now set up a permanent citizens council Which they've called the observatory of the city and this is 49 Residents which will be randomly selected to serve a one-year term And their role will be to deliberate on these proposals to also come up with their own proposals Which will then go to to the city council So it's a way of trying to counter this issue of the loudest voices Dominating everything to actually give a more representative group of residents The time and space to deliberate and weigh the trade-offs of the proposals and then make recommendations Thank you. I would like to leave the floor to more if she has any comments or reply to some of the questions that were asked Yeah, no, I think that when We're looking just to answer Amanda when we're looking at user-centered design when we work with philanthropists We try to work with them not on their app But on the process itself like what is the user story of the like of the sector to try to help Not how to create an app for them to apply To this and it's really interesting working with philanthropists and user stories because all of a sudden they started to think of different points of news That they haven't thought before specifically tried to put it Even when you write a user story as a name of women or names of Migrant communities, etc to help them to go into this type of thinking and also make sure that they understand the biases of them Writing these user stories without having the research done before Um, so I agree with Amanda that like UX is really nice Not if the service that you like make is not good, but also there is a work Corpus of work that was done Almost a decade ago of a lower and element can with where they write about building with not for with Jim Anderson was mentioned today And I think we should all like always refer to it and read it and thinking about like different users of tech and different users of face-to-face interfaces and others in order to get people minds And from my experience right away from the Israeli government and also maybe the ogp NAP programs Is that a lot of the time the digital tools are used as open washing So we've done this like brilliant thing and we have like thousands of people saying and then nothing happened with what happened Because it just was online and they just pick up the stuff that is happening So as activists I point to you that if you see that also make sure that we are making sure that people know that it's open washing or Maybe we should call it deliberate washing or something else because this is like When government tried to get over to put numbers up and actually don't discuss of what was discussed in these platforms is massively damaging and it's happened over and over again and we see it actually in the open government partnership repeatedly, so maybe there's Some lessons to learn there About how this works and what didn't work and I think the ogp trust fund is looking at that as well So something to think about Thank you so much more unfortunately because of the late start of the session Okay, so anyway, I think there are other engagements and commitments that the panelists have but thank you very much for the flexibility So at last to leave the floor to Ale for some final remarks Sorry, I don't want to be the one that's cut this short. I do have to be in another session But maybe that one is also late. So let's try to find a middle ground of Acceptable level of being late. No Listen, this is an amazing discussion. I would like to continue it and in fact we could and we can so that's what I will say Yeah, well online more with Barbara with me being open government in terms of more participatory processes So why am I saying this? There is an online component of it We are collecting good practices of what we call innovative citizen participation It's on our website if you go on the open government page of the ocd website There is a call for application. It's open until april 12th We are we are doing it with your gp by the way also because at ucd we believe a lot in The value of bad practices To learn from mistakes, but of course also the value of good practices to to build on what works It's open to governments, but also to civil society. So if you feel that you have done something In this field that is worth Mentioning let us know. It's a very short survey. We might get in touch with you for more information All these will end up in a report and the reason why we're doing this report is because Actually, we share all the questions that Amanda asked. We love academics. They ask all with the questions They know there's no answers And we are And we are so crazy to think that perhaps the role of organizations like ucd is to try to give some of these answers So this report The idea is to really see what works and what doesn't and and how to transform this sporadic anecdotal Kind of narrative into something more structured that can be implemented in a more Long-term kind of basis. So please give us your experiences We have already more than 100 which is we I think is amazing that you know 100 public officials took the time and gave us their experience And then also based on that we want to create An occasion to discuss and meet and together elaborate The ocd recommendations in this field at the moment. We call it network, but network is a more 1990s kind of concept So this will be multi-dimensions will be online. We want to meet So please get in touch with claudia. She's in charge of this if you want to be involved in this discussion I think ocd recommendations can be useful to shape Some of the actions that governments will take in the future. So you have an opportunity to help us Give the indication of where to go I didn't I hadn't heard before the word open washing a new pink washing but But in fact that was exactly what I wanted to say at the beginning We are here to you know ping point to our countries here. You are open washing So this is not really achieving what you want to we know. It's difficult. So we're not criticizing. We are helping the idea is to be Constructed and of course technology is the heart of the matter, but it's not the end of it So that's why we want to build on on this experience, but we want to use it to achieve the objectives and concept like Issues like at what point of the policy cycle opening up beginning during after Evaluation for example is very nicely done when it's participatory. It's almost never done together with the beneficiaries of a policy So there are advantages and disadvantages. What levels of government central versus local? What are the what issues what issues of course? What are the key stakeholders because we can talk about You know underrepresented stakeholders, but these are very different according to the policies according to how things could be homeless but You know can be other issues for other Sector so we have more questions than answers as I said But we do believe that the future goes in this direction And and also we believe that the future is in the ends of these two community the digital tech CV tech community and democracy activists participatory people So so that's why I'm so happy to be here with Barbara and with all of you and please do get in touch We want to work with you on these topics in the future and thank you to all the