Thanks for watching theCUBE. Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE covering Oracle OpenWorld 2016, brought to you by Oracle. Now, here's your host, John Furrier and Peter Burris. Come back, everyone. We are live here at Oracle OpenWorld 2016 in San Francisco on the show floor. This is theCUBE SiliconANGLE's flagship program. We go out to the events. Next track, the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, my co-host. Peter Burris, our next two guests are from the Oracle Marketing Cloud. Always a fascinating conversation. Of course, we were at the MME Modern Marketing Experience in Las Vegas. A lot of great videos we got out of that. But Lori Ipsons, the new Vice President, GM of Oracle Marketing came from Industry Solutions, now running the team. Steve Kraus, Group Vice President, Product Manager at Oracle, CUBE alumni. Good to see you again. Laura, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you. Appreciate it. So, you know our hot spot. We were talking before we came on live. Peter and I love the marketing cloud because it really is much more than marketing or the data involved. In marketing, now as part of this digital transformation fabric that's happening where the data is part of it and engaging with customers is really the key asset all companies have. It's not just about getting the leads and getting the forms and getting the sales. That's important, but it's also trickling through the organization. So, welcome to theCUBE. Give us the update. Since MME, you're now in charge. Congratulations. Thank you. What's it like there? What's your first impressions? Well, listen, it's fantastic. And in a company that's all data-driven, data's not just part of marketing. It's driving the future of modern marketing. And so, what I was excited about coming from an industry solutions group and an architect for use cases and adding value, looking at what, I know Steve's built a lot of this, looking at the architecture of our OMC stack. It's really exciting to see how marketers can use these new tools beyond a transaction, but to deliver a new model of engagement with customers for the whole customer lifecycle. And we're just getting started. So, give us a quick overview of the marketing cloud and how it fits now because it's a moving train in capabilities. You're seeing, certainly here at Oracle OpenWorld, the cloud is a big part of it. So, you know, I'm having a cloud capabilities. But you have a lot of acquisitions you guys have done as a group. They all fitting in nicely. And then there's also potentially the organic plan. Give us the update on where the group's at, strategy, how it's all fitting into Oracle OpenWorld. Well, Steve and I will tag team into this. But, you know, what's exciting is that we move very quickly to acquire a number of companies, almost $5 billion in acquisition. But to put that together from an engineering standpoint, which is what Steve does, to showcase the whole value, to lead with Oracle Marketing Cloud, I think we've made enormous progress. We still work to make sure that we have the integration with our people so that we're selling the whole stack. And I think what makes it super exciting is that when you look at this and you combine it with the power of the Oracle Data Cloud, we're just taking it up to the next level. Steve, does this impact you at all with the whole database announcements and all the infrastructures of service? More, I mean, more power. It's like Star Trek, Scotty and the Engine Room, more power. I mean, you're getting more horsepower, certainly. But does it impact your business and how you guys tie it all together? It does. We actually run a number of our systems on Oracle Infrastructure, of course. And that's even some of the companies brought in. They were already Oracle shops, for example, Responses ran on Java Infrastructure, ran on the Oracle database. So being able to come to Oracle and let them roll some exadata into our data center, our customers love that. I think at this show, maybe the announcements that are most interesting to our customers are some of the new applications that other parts of Oracle have created that talk well with the Oracle Marketing Cloud. So an example, there is a new set of applications around chatbots. There's a new set of applications around adaptive intelligent offers and actions. Our customers love that kind of stuff. It's part of their road map, so we want to be more intelligent. We want to be more adaptive. What can you do? And rather than us having to invent this all from scratch, we see these other parts of Oracle building these applications, and then we plug into them. So those are good announcements. And the machine learning stuff, you're seeing that out there too. Machine learning, AI. This is the predictive data science meets marketing, right? I mean, this is kind of the new paradigm. Is that kind of the top point of all this? That is, that is. These other groups have reasons to build these technologies that span marketing, supply chain, HR. We can come in and make it sing for marketing. And that's what Oracle has a great combination of deep technology expertise to do the algorithms. We have a data cloud to bring in the data. And then you have these groups that can say, now let me be best practice at applying it to marketing. So the marketing function of a lot of organizations is in certain respects not unlike IT, in that it's a shared service function. A lot of different groups lay a lot of claims on marketing, expect it yesterday. And it's also like IT, it's in the midst of significant change right now. Marketing, you just mentioned data science. Marketing practices are evolving. The relationships between marketers and their suppliers, their service companies, their digital agencies. A lot of transition. How does marketing cloud point the way to the way that marketing should be done? Because I think one of the first things that a marketing needs, the marketer needs to understand is not that I'm adopting a whole bunch of technology, I'm actually adopting practices that are going to make me more effective. Could you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, and I think it is about, I mean every marketer, almost every marketer will say that their role is changing. They're taking more ownership and responsibility. They're accountable not just for launching campaigns and number of impressions, but the complete marketing ROI up to the CFO, to the CEO, and to the board of directors. And I think with what we're doing with marketing cloud and creating this open integrated platform, there's going to be more participation. There's a whole lot more data coming in, whether it's their first party date or third party, but it's sorting through that and creating value for the whole company. Because like many companies, everyone wants to be a marketing or in sales. And I think that's what we're doing to complete the staff. And as we do that and add the participation, we see that marketing is a lot closer to the sales organization. They also have to have a strong partnership with IT. And I think that's one of the trends that I hear from the CMOs that I'm talking about. Why is that? There's almost 4,000 MARTEC applications out there, nearly 26 billion in the market. They're gobbling this stuff up. They're making sense and being sensible about it and spending with a goal across their lines of business is really what they're needing to achieve now. And as they wake up and they look at this whole, what they've created, they want to simplify it. They want to make sure that they're getting the ROI. And they're looking to their IT organization to help them respond to some of the challenges that they have to make sure that they're using data the right way and also securing it, which is a huge value that we bring from Oracle. Sure. And the other thing about it, and this is, you know, every piece of software, whether it's on-premise or in the cloud, suggests a certain way that a group of people should work. Historically, sales has been, we're going to have a customer. So we're engaging, marketing's putting out collateral, marketing's running the campaigns. It's like IT, in many respects. They're the project managers, the campaign managers. Does the marketing cloud look at marketing and say, you know what, someone has to take responsibility for engagement and enable salespeople to be more successful or enable partner channels to be more successful or enable products to get the information that they need. Do you see the marketing cloud or marketing and therefore the marketing cloud being that facilitator of data flow and data-oriented services within a business to match the customer to the capability of the business? They're kind of the direction you see it going. And I'll start, because I think, you know, products are tools and they deliver value, but our marketing cloud and our platform is all about enablement. And it's about that false lifecycle of a customer and it's about having the accountability and the KPIs. And I think, you know, that's where the power of what we bring to it and the data, you know, whether that's with ODC, the Oracle Marketing Cloud connecting into the whole CXV gives us quite a differentiation as you look at who owns this and who participates in it as well. So I think it comes down to the distinction between marketing versus everything else and that distinction is starting to fall away in the sense that marketing more and more is about being able to deliver the right customer experience based on that customer's context, their intentions, their past data record. And it turns out that why would anybody want that to stop at the organizational boundary called marketing? It doesn't make sense. It turns out that marketing has been first in many organizations to do things like create these profiles to be able to do targeting, personalization, but just picture it. After learning all this about your customer, what he or she wants, what the next right thing to do for them is, are you going to forget that when the customer makes a service call because it's not technically in the marketing organization? Of course, you're not going to do that. The same thing applies across sales, commerce, anything that's customer facing. Well, your point is the siloed approach, like say, service call, for instance, might be out of the marketing cloud. That's an important piece of data to have available in the marketing cloud to know that interaction. Is that what you're getting at there? Vice versa as well. So what I'm saying is the dichotomy between marketing and everything else is falling away and it's all turning into the customer. What is the best way we can organize our company and our technology around serving the customer's need in the moment? So could we call it the engagement cloud? We could, although there is a product by that very name already. We've got to be careful with Oracle. The namespace already is kind of crowded. It's its own challenge. My question, I see a lot from talking to customers, your customers and people in the marketing cloud who recognize that, okay, our purview now has to expand down into IT and then out more to the customer. Certainly that's a data-driven mindset and also operational efficiencies. So the number one question I get is, we've done all this work. We've been stockpiling all these apps and CX cloud and I bought all this stuff. I bought response at BlueKai, another third party and now a new shiny new toy comes in from a startup and says we solve your problem. We are the best at X. The customer says, someone sells me another platform I'm going to shoot myself. I mean, that's the frustration level of the operationalizing of technology. So what do you guys see on that? Because the customer wants to get to the finish line. They want to do the right thing, but the operationalizing of the new tech, kind of, they get in their way, they bought something else. How do you guys sort through that conversation? How do you talk to customers about that? Well, I mean, I know Steve will sort through this from technology, but the CMOs that I've talked to are waking up saying, I have all this stuff. I'm trying to make sense of it. Help me simplify, help me resist the urge to buy more and to use and leverage what I already have and to simplify it. So that's really the message that I'm hearing from the customers right now. Why? Because as marketing spends more on IT than I hope it's to anybody else in the future and some companies already, they're saying I've got to have common metrics in ROI and I think that's what the other stakeholders are doing as well. And what's the role of the agency in this? Because the agency used to provide some critical services, certainly creative, but they seem to be kind of falling short on the deep, deep technical development. Meaning, yeah, microsite, I wouldn't call that a development, but I would say that might be a user interface. But not necessarily an app, for instance, where that might have to come in-house. Sure. And I mean, I think it depends on the agency and the engagement that they have with their customers. Certainly, many of them are moving in to digitize what they do as well. But we see this convergence of MarTech and AdTech. And so I think we'll see a level of disruption of who actually succeeds and will their business model succeed on how much do we get paid for leads or are they coming in from the creative side? So I think a lot of this is going to get disrupted in a minute with cloud and with the surges of data and making sense of it and prioritizing it. So we're excited to see the full opposition of that feature. Operationalizing, what's your thoughts? Operationalizing. How many databases does someone have? A zillion? I mean, they could have a lot of data if it's subtracted away. I mean, this is an issue. Here's the metaphor we use. Today, an enterprise marketer is like someone trying to get a house built without a form. They are dealing directly with every last wire cutter, pipe puller, window hanger, and no one builds a house that way, but that's the way it's evolved. And so you're right. The next thing they need to deal with is very painful. And so that's why they're migrating to a model where they go work with an oracle as the foreman and say, hey, wait a minute, that doesn't mean I don't get to work with anyone else. It means the other people work through Oracle to make sure their stuff works with the platform. And then I also get all sorts of stuff with the platform. So I think from a practical point of view, that is how people are approaching the operationalization. They're saying, let's have someone at the center who I can hold responsible, and then everyone else, talk to them. So let me make sure I got something. So really it's, but I think you're, at the end of the day, the role of the marketer is to put the customer at the center. Yes, absolutely. The engagement activities at the center and then find tools that make that possible. One of the challenges the marketers historically had is that the PR agency says PR is most important. Here's the metrics you focus on. They have been connected. But by doing this in a unified way, by bringing all of our suppliers in so that we can keep the customer at the center, presumably the CMO, not only has better visibility on all the activities, but also all the spending that's going on and the returns to the getting from an engagement standpoint. Correct? Yeah, I think that's correct. There's a technical side to it too, and that the central system does some things that by definition, those around the center, the central system does some things that by definition, those around the edges can't do. So as an example, orchestrating across the channels. Well, okay, at the silos, each have a channel in them. Well, something does need to cross them. That's an orchestration system. Same thing with the unified profile. Everybody's got their own little views of the customer. How do we go and connect those together? So I think that's another natural role that Oracle plays, coordinating and connecting data, actions, the things that ultimately, if you're organizing around the customer, they've got to be coherent. So I think it's a question. The rage is account-based marketing. I've heard that at MME. And then now the trend also is persona because there's some targeting to the individual level now, certainly with the internet. You can go down to the persona level. Are they mutually exclusive? I mean, how does that play out? Do they work? How does a marketer sort that out? I got investment account-based marketing. But now the persona is the new rage. It feels like in some ways what's old is new again. I don't know if this is such a big innovation, but I think what it really is, is that the technology is caught up to what everybody wants to do, which is not just to sell an assilo into one person at organization, but to understand the whole account and to understand who's buying what, when, what are they looking at? We can bring data in a powerful way together. It embraces persona at the same time. So I wouldn't say it's exclusive, but I think the rage is we have tools and platforms that can do more to drive account-based marketing so that we structure and we can sell at different levels within an account at different times. I like your analogy of the form and also that implies architecture. You have to have an architect scope out the building. It's true. Then you're going to do a take-off on what you need and then you execute. Great, so you guys, thanks for sharing the insight. Quickly give us an update on what's going on for the year. Obviously you have your own shows. Get a quick plug-in for what's going on with marketing cloud, business-wise, what you guys have coming up, where can people find you? You do the incredible marketing experience shows which I think are kind of a mini or a global world for marketing embraces. What's the plans? Let's give us the update. Well, it's exciting. We're going to be at ad week next week, certainly. We have a number of events coming out. We'll still have our MME event working in conjunction with the cloud world events as well in Las Vegas. So, a lot of activities and more announcements that I think you guys are going to see. So you guys will be part of the cloud world. Yes, we will. Regional shows. Yeah, because when you think about it, the compelling reason is we're connected to our whole CXW. We're connected to the whole TechNap stack. We'll have an MME within, but that's going to be exciting for us to really cross-pollinate and have the relationships and our customers coming together from the marketing and IT side as well. Well, Peter and I both are very excited about the prospect of how data and digitizing business is going to change the fabric of certainly what we call things, whether it's marketing cloud, but data's at the center of it and the customer. So you guys have a lot of work ahead and certainly a lot of opportunity. Congratulations. Thank you. Thanks for having me here. Live in San Francisco to our global world, this is theCUBE. I'm John Furrier with Peter Barris. You're watching theCUBE.


guys here is part four of me creating the last of the painting studies for the special project here I am finishing up the face and then moving on to the sunflower painting both of these little paintings came out super cute and the one that I choose not to do for the special project I will definitely be doing again bigger I do think that that's gonna happen at some point I don't know when exactly but at some point so here's my process I hope you enjoy watching it and I'll be back at the end this project I do think I've decided for this particular project to do the face on the large canvas although I do think that I will be doing the sunflower painting definitely at some point in the future it's a really pretty painting and I could see it hanging on a wall in a bedroom or in an entryway it would be really pretty anyway I hope you've enjoyed my process of doing painting studies and working out compositions this is how I do it there's lots of different ways to do it but I hope it gave you some clues and insight and some ideas of what you can do have some fun enjoy your art enjoy creating things and don't forget the most important thing go out and do something nice for yourself because you deserve it like share and subscribe my channel if you would and I will see you in the next video bye guys


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Hello and welcome to the session. In this session we are going to discuss the following question which says that evaluate sin of cos inverse of square root of 5 by 3 plus sin inverse of 5 by 13. We know that sin of theta plus phi is equal to sin of theta cos of phi plus cos of theta sin of phi. With this key idea let us proceed with the solution. We have the expression sin of cos inverse of square root of 5 by 3 plus sin inverse of 5 by 13. Let theta be equal to cos inverse of square root of 5 by 3 which implies that cos theta is equal to square root of 5 by 3 In a triangle ABC if theta is the angle between the lines AC and CB. And we know that cos of triangle theta is given by base upon hypotenuse that is BC upon AC which will be equal to square root of 5 by 3. Now if we have base BC equal to square root of root 5 and hypotenuse AC equal to 3 then we can find the value of the prependicular AB by using Pythagoras theorem. By Pythagoras theorem we have prependicular AB is equal to square root of hypotenuse AC square minus base BC square which is equal to square root of 3 square minus square root of 5 square which will be equal to square root of 9 minus 5 which is given by square root of 4 that is 2 value of the prependicular AB as we know that sin of theta is equal to prependicular upon hypotenuse that is AB by AC which is equal to 2 by 3 therefore the theta as square root of 5 by 3 theta equal to 2 by 3. Now again let phi be equal to sin inverse of 5 by 13 which implies that is equal to 5 by 13 triangle PQR if phi is the angle between the lines PR and RQ. We know that sin of angle 5 is given by prependicular upon hypotenuse that is PQ by PR which is equal to 5 by 13 at the value of the prependicular PQ as 5 and the value of the hypotenuse PR as 13 then we can find the value of the base RQ by using Pythagoras theorem. By Pythagoras theorem we have RQ is given by square root of hypotenuse PR square minus prependicular PQ square which is equal to square root of 13 square minus 5 square which will be square root of 169 minus 25 that is square root of 144 given by 12 therefore base RQ is equal to 12. Now we know that cos of angle 5 is given by base upon hypotenuse that is RQ upon RP which is equal to 12 by 13 therefore we have sin of angle 5 as 5 by 13 and cos of angle 5 as 12 by 14. We have assumed that cos inverse of square root of 5 by 3 as theta and sin inverse of 5 by 13 as 5 so the given expression becomes sin of theta plus 5 which is given by sin theta cos 5 plus cos theta sin 5 that is equal to sin theta cos 5 plus cos theta sin 5 now substituting the value of cos theta sin theta and cos 5 sin 5 on the right hand side of the equation we get 2 by 3 into 12 by 13 plus square root of 5 by 3 into 5 by 13 which is equal to 24 by 39 plus 5 square root of 5 by 39 that is 24 plus 5 square root of 5 whole upon 39 so sin of is equal to 24 plus 5 square root of 5 whole upon 39. Therefore we can write the value of the expression sin of cos inverse of square root of 5 by 3 plus sin inverse of 5 by 13 is given by 24 plus 5 square root of 5 whole upon 39 which is the required answer. This completes our session. Hope you enjoyed this session.


to insider. I'm your starting the program as the host. My name is Jane Sugimura, but I'm going to be turning it over real shortly to my guest Raylene Tenno, and she is the Program Director for Hawaii Council of Association of Apartment Owners, DBA HCCA, and hi, Raylene. Hi, Jane. Welcome back. Thank you. And you did such a terrific job on our board training seminar that we had about a month ago, right? It was about a month ago. We had a Zoom board training seminar, and we had over 100 people, right? Yeah, and that was our second one. So it was a repeat of the first. So we did a couple hundred people, almost like 250 board members. Of course. And you know, one of the issues in the program today is about email meetings, and I don't know why it's become such a hot issue, but it was, one of our speakers was Larie McGuire, and I was hoping that she'd be available, but we're going to, we can bring her back because I'm sure this is not going to be the last time we're going to be discussing email meetings. But in her portion of the seminar, she was talking about board meetings and how email, that there are boards that are having these email meetings and taking votes via email and how that is not permitted under the statute. And that generated a whole bunch of questions that, and we still, we are still getting questions, right? Yes, I get questions like at least once a week from people to clarify what it is. Okay, so why don't we start and talk about what exactly, you know, are the issues, and you know, we should probably start with the statute and it's going to flash on the screen and it's 514b125 board meetings. And I'm going to read it. It says, all meetings of the board other than executive sessions shall be open to all members of the association and association members who are not on the board may be permitted to participate in any deliberation or discussion other than executive sessions pursuant to owner participation rules adopted by the board. Okay, that's what that section says. And I guess the gist of what Loree was talking about when she was doing the training was under that section, owners are allowed to participate in board meetings and they are, and you can't put them at the end at the owner's forum. You have to let them participate as the meeting goes forward. And, and for a lot of what's associations a lot of you know, and with a lot with board members, you have boards where people have been on there for years and years and years and years. And before, let me see before I think that the statute was changed in 2018. But before that, at the end of that statute, that provision, it said unless the board votes to limit discussion. And what the board used to do was they would take a vote and they would all say, oh yeah, we don't want we don't want the others to talk. And so that way they can only talk during the owner's forum. But that language, because there were people who were complaining about not being allowed to speak at board meetings, the legislature changed that provision in 2018. And they defeated those words that the unless the board votes otherwise or something like that. I can't remember the exact words. Oh, wait a minute, I do have the exact words. Unless a majority of a quorum of the board votes otherwise, those words were eliminated in 2018. But they no longer exist. So any board who tells an owner who comes to a meeting that you can't talk, that's not permitted under the Hawaii revised statute as of 2018. Correct. Right. And so I guess a lot of boards, you know, don't understand that they cannot limit people of owners from participating. And the last section of that statute talks about that the participation by owners would be pursuant to owner participation rules adopted by the board. And during the debate at the legislature about the pros and cons of all this new language is, yes, the owners should be allowed to talk. They're the ones who voted for the board, they're the ones who are affected by the decisions. So they should have a say at the board meeting. However, you can't let the owners take over the meeting. The board has an agenda. The board president's job is to make sure that the board gets through that agenda. So that's why that language was put at the end where, number one, the board has agenda, they have to finish the agenda. But at the same time, you have to let owners speak. So how do you balance the two? What you do is you make reasonable rules. And reasonable rules might be each person gets one minute to talk. And you can't speak a second time until everybody else who has raised their hand and indicated they want to speak on that issue is allowed to speak. Okay. And then if everybody's had a chance to speak, and if the board president says there's time to allow more speakers and still finish the agenda, then the board president will allow the person to speak a second time. And these are really simple rules. And so what the board has to do is probably make an announcement and say, okay, we're going to let everybody participate. And these are the rules. You have one minute to speak. And you can only speak once until everybody else has had a chance to speak on this topic. And then if there's time, you can speak a second time. And then at some point, the board president can stop the discussion because he's got an agenda to finish. And that's fair. And so that's the way we kind of anticipated this rule would be implemented. And I think Larie was talking about this rule and another part of 120 rule of Hawaii Revised Statutes 125 because 125D talks about board meetings. And when can a board meeting occur? And it says that board meetings can occur basically where you can have all board members where they can communicate and hear each other. And owners can also participate. And the reason why this came about is many, many years ago with Iniki and we had those terrible hurricane in Kauai.   And so you couldn't even get onto the island. But anyway, because there were condos there that had substantial damage. And you couldn't even get the board together because they couldn't travel. If they didn't live in Kauai, I mean, you couldn't have a meeting. And so they put this in. And at the time, what was kind of plated was telephone conferences. Right. And that's why it says that you can have a board meeting where all of the board members can hear each other. And the owners can also participate if they pay for the service. And back then, long distance telephone calls cost money. And they didn't want the board to the association have to pay for that. And so if you were an owner and wanted to participate in the telephone conference call, you had to pay for it, which is fair. Because it was a cost that they, you know, that everybody had to incur.  That basically says you can't have email meetings because in an email meeting, if you have private, yeah, it's a private and you have one person writing and maybe you are emailing everybody on the board, but you're not communicate, you cannot communicate with each other simultaneously. Right. So that's not a board meeting. Right. And I know a lot of boards, and especially now with the pandemic, they're using emails. Tell me how they're using email. What are you hearing? Oh, they're using emails to make decisions, you know. And some of them are big decisions about repairs, you know. I know of one that made a decision on an employee, hiring of an employee, you know. Some of them are dealing with root repair projects. There's quite a few. They're making all their basic decisions that they normally would in a board meeting. They're making it via email with only discussion through whoever's on the email. And usually those are the board of directors. It might include the property manager, but generally it's just the group of small groups. So owners don't know technically what's going on or what the conversation is about, unless they hear it secondhand through other people, you know. Right.  But that's not true. And what the concern is, is if boards are doing this, if they're having their so-called, if they're making board decisions via email, it's probably invalid and they can be challenged. Any homeowner can say, well, where was the notice of the meeting? And under the notice, you have to say what items you're going to discuss. And we're allowed to participate in those discussions. So if you have an email meeting or you have an email exchange and you talk about board issues and make decisions, I mean, where is the participation of the entire board? And where is the participation of the owners? A lot of board meeting notices are being posted where, you know, they say it's going to be via Zoom, for example, but they're not posting any link or they say they have to call the property manager. But yet, when you call or even email the property manager, they're not replying back because the meeting notice is posted 72 hours. Sometimes the property managers out in other properties and, you know, they get back and, you know, they've got a list of emails to respond. So by the time they respond, it's too late, you know, for them to give someone access to the link. So somehow, and I do know now a lot of the managing agents are converting their software similar to Associates Town Square. So they're gathering everybody, all the homeowner's email addresses. So I'm imagining in the future, the post, the meeting notice posting will be emailed out to everybody rather than just physically posted, you know, because like in some cases, the resident managers, they have challenges themselves with technical challenges. So sometimes you go to them and they're like, well, I think it's this, you know, so sometimes they have challenges and even navigating through Zoom, you know, so it's kind of tough right now. So that's why pandemic does not excuse, you know, people from doing and, you know, at one time. And I have to I have to say that we did it mainly because, you know, you know, you have board meetings only once a month. And there was an instance and this is I think the only time we ever use it. Let's say we were at the regular board meeting and the agenda item was landscaping contracts. Okay. And so we're discussing the two contracts we got. But for some reason, the third third contractor called the site manager and said, guess what, I said, I would get you my proposal this afternoon. But I can't do it. I get it to Monday. Okay. And that's after the board meeting. And so I might say to the to the group, okay, what we're going to do we've discussed to we've had, you know, owner's input. And the third contractor is X. And we don't know what they're asking for. But this is what we're going to do. When I when and I'm going to have the site manager email us the contract when we get it when he gets it on Monday, the proposal, and we'll look at it and we'll talk about it. And then we'll figure out which one we want because we need to get those people on board and working instead of waiting another month. Right. And then we'll ratify the decision at the next board meeting. And so that's the only time I can think that we ever did anything by email. And so when we talked about it, we told the owners that there's this one outstanding thing that's going to come next week. And rather than wait a whole month to decide what we're going to do, the board is going to review that third proposal. And then we're going to have an email vote that we will ratify at the next meeting. And so we told them at the meeting at the public meeting, we had the email count, and then we went back and, you know, ratified it. And so even that's not permitted. Right. Okay. So, you know, so I, but, you know, we still keep getting questions.   Existing contract could have been expired. So now you have nothing, you know, it's kind of like a semi-emergency because you can't just let the grass grow and grow wild for another month before a decision is made. So I'm kind of speculating, since I wasn't there that, you know, you examine the, you know, it's going to controversial and let's say there's an issue and you've got 50 people in the room. Okay. You're not going to do an email vote because they're going to crucify you at the next public meeting when they all show up and say, why the hell did you do that? Right. But it was upfront. You disclosed it up front. We're waiting for one last one. And for all I know that one could have been your existing contractor, which you guys have no issues with. So you kind of would like to keep them, but you're also soliciting for two others to be fair, you know? And, you know, I can imagine that maybe nobody had issues with the landscaping. So the two contracts have been equal. And, you know, LaRae did make a comment about how we had to go back to the legislature and maybe get clarification and maybe, you know, somehow draft language for exceptions, you know, for things that aren't major decisions, you know, where, just like I talked about, you know, the landscape contract where we're waiting for one more proposal and, you know, something like that.  I mean, you just sometimes the only thing with that is they're going to have individual email conversations. And then when they kind of get their little consensus, okay, let's, we're going to do it this way. And now they're all going to open it up for a board discussion, but yet they've already got their majority vote. So there's already a pre, you know, discussion prior. So it's not an open forum, you know, the way if you're in a meeting, it's an open forum, so to speak, you know.  Okay. So you said previously that it's been in this business since 2018. So 514b125 was amended and changed in 2018. So it's been effects since 2018. Right. So technically boards cannot make decisions via email and then ratify them at the next meeting because it does not allow for members to participate in any of the discussions. Right. But challenges for homeowners are the ones that are not allowed to deliberate or participate in any discussion. So if you close it up only to email, and the email is not opened up to everybody, you're eliminating the homeowner participation. So you're being selected. And you're also kind of, you're creating that, you know, the difference between the board and the homeowners. Sometimes the boards have a, what do you call, they don't, sometimes boards really don't even want homeowners at the meetings. So you're increasing that anxiety or that perception of, you know. Right. The lack of transparency. Right. Yeah.   It only makes it worse.  Yeah.  So when I followed up, it turned out that we had no contracts and that meant we had no insurance, that we were open to life. And I'm thinking, and I thanked her. I said, you know, thank you very much for bringing that up at the, you know, at the owner's form, because it turns out that, you know, we had no contracts. So now we're going to go out, we're going to get a contract, we're going to get insurance, we're going to get, make sure everything's, you know, copacetic and everybody's protected.   Right. It comes with a job. That's part of the territory. You know, because, you know, at the same time that, you know, you get criticisms, I have heard people speak up and say, I want to thank the board, or I want to thank the site manager for, for doing this and that. And, you know, so it works both ways. And, you know, this is why, you know, it's, it's really important to, to make sure that the, that, that transparency exists at the board meetings, because a lot of the legislation that comes, that occurs, this happens at the legislature. Legislators, they introduce bills by request. By request means that somebody lives in their district and they're mad at their board because, and it's usually because the board doesn't listen to me or doesn't let me talk. Or when I ask for a document, they tell me to shut up and sit down. You know, this is a type of stuff that the legislators here, and, and they tell me, they yell at me, how come this happens? Why do you let it happen? I said, I don't. And if I could stop this, you know, type of conduct, I would, because it's not, it's not right. And it's, it's not permitted by the statute.  And a good example of, of, of, of something that's like overdone is a section in the statute called Hawaii Revised Statutes 154.4, 154. Yeah, 154. And you know, throughout the statute, because the statute is created over time, right? So at one point it'll say, okay, if, if an owner asks for board meetings, you got to give it to them. So there's a statute that says that. And then somewhere else that'll say, okay, if the owner wants financials, you got to give them that. Okay. And so there's all through the statutes, there are these things that say, okay, it's a board member, if the owner wants it, you need to give it to them. And then there's a section that says, okay, for certain documents, if the owner asks for it, the association can charge a reasonable charge if it's copied, or if the property manager has to spend, you know, time to give it to them. And, and, and so there's, if they're scattered throughout 155, 514B. And Senator Baker, out of sheer frustration, said, okay, I'm really tired of this. So she puts everything into one section. She doesn't take anything out of the other section, but she puts everything into 154. And so in 154, you have every single type of document that the board has to turn over. And whether they have to pay for it, whether the owners get it for free, whether they have to do a declaration, or whatnot, but it's all there.  And so here I'm saying it double and triple. We really, really, really, really, really, really mean it. You know, and that's what 154 is. And I guess for somebody who's just reading the statute for the first time thing, oh, why are they talking about this in 154? Because it's over here in 121. And because she did, she took all those little sections that are scattered throughout the bill and put them all into one section. And that's what, you know, the legislators are faced with every year. They are faced with complaints by their constituents who are voters who live in their district who complain about bad boards. And we go to the legislature and try to persuade them that, you know, you're talking, you're hearing from probably 5% maybe less of the condominium associations in the state. Because most boards, you know, they try to do what they're supposed to do.  And, you know, the one thing, if nobody, if you, if the listeners don't get anything else from this particular segment is you've got to talk to your owners. And oh, you've got to let the owners talk back to you. Right. Yep. Because you never know. I mean, there's something that, you know, it could be something that's ongoing. And as board members, you know, we only see one side, but sometimes if you open your ears and listen to another owner, they have sometimes they'll have a totally different perspective. And it's like, oh my God, didn't even think about that. And if we do that, it'll solve a problem, you know. So I want to go through one of these questions that somebody had asked. So how do owners go about bringing to someone's attention when the board is not complying with 514B? That's a constant question I get all the time from people. Well, first thing, first of all, they've got to write to the board and let them know what the statute is. And, you know, they can just print it. And that's why, you know, you know, I've asked the statute to be flashed across the screen, you've got to take the words of the statute and give it to them and say, this is what it says. And, you know, you guys are not in compliance. And there are remedies. And unfortunately, you know, you can do, some boards may listen to what you say and other boards won't. But the statute also has provisions where you can ask for mediation and or arbitration of, you know, of these disputes. And if you do a mediation or a voluntary arbitration, it's subsidized by the state of Hawaii. But that's a whole different topic. But yeah, there are remedies. Okay, so they post the notice 72 hours prior. They have the meeting agenda of what they're going to talk about. So what about if there's like new business or an order comes from the meeting, brings up an issue, and the board starts to make a decision on it. And this is all done via Zoom. So what happens if they don't get through to the agenda items? But the agenda should be posted with all the items to be talked about, all the business items that are expected to be on the agenda. But what happens if they don't get through at all? It gets deferred. That's why it's important. That's why it's really important for the board president to kind of push things along and say, you know, guys, we got to move on. We have an agenda. We have an agenda to finish. We have to move on. And so if you for some reason, the meeting goes on for too long.  Okay. So then, so like you're okay, so let's take a day off. So it's two hours. So you haven't even gotten to the area for new business. And some of it could be issues, homeowner issues, you know, so it could be part of the you can have a you can have a special meeting later. Right. Okay. Before the before the next regular meeting. Okay. So or they could actually add that item to the next agenda under new Yes. Right. Yes. So can a vote be made on items that are not on the agenda? Or should they be deferred to the next meeting? If something comes up and it's not on the agenda, they should there should not be a vote taken. And the board members under Robert's rules, a majority can move it on to the agenda. Okay. They can move it on to the agenda. And and and that means that if the majority don't want it on the agenda, they'll say no, I don't. But the board president can then add it on to the next meeting agenda because the board president makes the agenda. So this is so really, you know, you're in a board meeting. So now a new issue or new items being brought brought to the board's attention. So but they're getting close to the end of the meeting and you want to end on time. But you also want to give the opportunity to post it to, you know, put it on to the next meeting's agenda. So you give an opportunity for all the membership to see next month's agenda. And they have an opportunity to come to the meeting for discussion. Like, yeah, that would be put on the next month's agenda.  So we will probably have another you know, episode on on this issue of email board meetings, not being that it's going to be an ongoing issue. Like I said, you know, there was a lot of discussion on this. And so hopefully we've addressed some concerns. And thank you so much for being on the on our show to help me, you know, explain this issue. My pleasure. Thank you. And thank you to our viewers for joining us for another episode of condo insider, the show about condo living and working in condos. Thank you. Mahalo.


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Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop George is in Florida with yes, I am with Jerry Pelletier All right, we got a great show coming up We're gonna talk to Jerry about his career and his studio and lots of other special stuff We want your questions your comments Your interaction here on voiceover body shop as we go coast to coast Right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voiceover audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. 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Michael Collins demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Hi there, I'm Dan Leonard in the West and I'm George Wittem in the East and this is voiceover body shop or VO Be Yes Wow We are coast-to-coast we George you are in West Palm Beach, Florida. I certainly am yep I'm down here visiting Jerry Pelletier who needed some studio tuning up And this was a prom opportunity to be able to interview him in person. Yeah, so well do tonight Yeah, well, you've you've had quite an odyssey. We'll talk about that in a second The the big tree in front of the voiceover body shop the huge star pine Gone. No what happened? Oh, well, it was good If it was gonna it with our gardener was like it look doesn't look like it's going to survive So maybe you cut it down And if it fell down, it would have taken out the front of our house So we figured maybe a good idea to take it down But we they saved us a big slice of the trunk and now we're gonna have this really nice coffee table Well, there you go So we'll put that we'll put it up up front where the tree was so it'll be a good reminder anyway You have been all over just like I did that mass odyssey last October after Uncle Roy's barbecue Well, it was my turn. It was your turn. So tell us about your trip Yeah, well the trip started off with a stint to Montreal where my girlfriend's parents Coordinated a trip so that we could all meet and I hadn't met them before and my girlfriend hadn't seen her parents in three years Mainly because well, they live in Iran and it ain't that easy to fly to come to to Pennsylvania, California, United States anywhere is not easy But they did make it to Montreal and we all converged there for a few days and that was a blast It was really fun getting to meet them. We got to see the city together. It was really cool then hopped on the train on Friday zipped across and down in diagonal Towards the Southwest I guess towards Toronto the VIA rail on the VIA rail, which was great, you know comfortable and Hopped off the train and there I was in Toronto and Graham Spicer was waiting for me and whisked me off and Vio North commenced and got to enjoy the Vio North conference All weekend. So we have a little package If you guys want to roll that there's a little bit of a taste of what that conference looked like from my perspective All right, so you want to give that a give that a look?  I did, I was playing it Vio North is a wrap Time to say goodbye to all our friends and grab a little bit of dinner here at the Gladstone I wish I had more time to spend here, but I'm grateful. I got to be here. Thanks, Durvala for bringing me in Intanya and the team it was a really good experience this conference and If you want to do a little something different a little smaller conference a more intimate or the more Informal and fun, but still really well run. This is one for you to check out Vio North 2020 I hope I can be back Well, yes, I it was a great totally grabbed a handful of Golden's Mustard packets in the airport I spank rave good spicy brown mustard It was it was great. Yeah, Tanya and Durvala Ran it just ran a really good show and the venue is probably it was gonna be different next year this year's was a smallish What do you call boutique hotel? It was really cool and quirky But next year they want to go a little larger and we were out. We were bursting at the seams. That's so But a good event and it wasn't like there was five 15 tracks of things at the most at any one time there was maybe three things going on That's good. You didn't feel like you're missing out and the attendees were hungry for information I'm sure they really were when when when okoroi and I did our presentation We were trying to be humorous and be lighthearted about it But we were making jokes and they're staring at us like when are you actually gonna tell us stuff about microphones? This isn't funny. We want stuff about Mike. You know, it was it was kind of like that. Anyway, yeah I'm not about that. Yeah. Well, I can't imagine that you know that That whole thing without Pat Sweeney up in Toronto, that's right I mean, he was really the a driving force up there and we all miss him. He was yeah But but I'm glad everybody had a good time next year I'm sure did and Graham put me up with Aaron. They took care of me. I got to stay at their place It was I felt really well taken care of as many everybody that was presenting there did and we're We all want to do it again. So let's see what happens next year outstanding. All right Well, now you're in Florida and now we get to introduce our guest because you're visiting a Well-known voice actor his is this is a busy guy. I mean he's does commercials and lots of corporate stuff But he's also on the radio. Let's walk in voiceover body shop Jerry Pelleteer Well, welcome to South Florida during hurricane season.  Yeah, that was a bad one That was a bad one. So knock on wood. Yeah, did you get much rain from that or any any damage? We did we got some squalls that came through and there's a couple others brewing out there right now It's just it's that time of year.  I'll have hurricane panels up. So it's pitch dark in there Okay Yeah, that's the hurricane. It's amazing when a hurricane will go cross-floor. It's like someone takes a brillo pad and just Scrubs out sections of Florida, but they put it all back together and it's like, okay. Oh open up the senior dining again. So Anyway, Jerry welcome to the show great to see you again and Tell us a little bit about yourself.  You're on the radio, huh? What brought you to this amazing career? Well, first of all, I got to say for all the Vio talent out there it what you guys do and I've got to see some of the Workings behind the scenes here We are so lucky to have both of you and what you guys do each and every week and I don't think that's said enough We're lucky to have you guys. We really are appreciate. Yeah. Thank you Retired radio guy, but I did radio in Chicago and Sacramento and Houston and and here and then retired probably about seven years ago And and then really get into voiceover and boy like most typical voiceovers. I made a ton of mistakes I mean bad ones and you know, the learning curve was tell us a few what You may as it prevail us with the stories I can't get into some of them are still airing and they just make me cringe But then I just noticed with the grindstone I'm not a big-time voice actor like most of you guys have out in LA out there I'm just nose the grindstone trying to work it out every day. I've been fortunate enough to sign with ACM I recently signed with William Morris and I just just recently signed with Stewart talent, man They're all fantastic and that's kind of helped help my my journey a little bit. So Yeah, I've been doing a lot of stuff for Broadway shows Rudy and Joan Rudy Gaskins and in Joan Baker know the scale Deborah Cox And she was in the bodyguard and I did the the voiceover for that Okay toward the country and and coming up maybe to a Show near you elf on the shelf. I did all over. Yeah, I did the promotions the voice for that too So jagermeister, I think I'm doing the there the NHL the national hockey league sponsor, but I do it like a play-by-play announcer Oh, really? Yeah for the character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's right running again this year So it's just nose to the grindstone try to work it all out like most other videos out there Yeah, there's something it's different about Jerry when it comes to being most other videos He's sort of like the center of a little voiceover universe down here Explain how that came together like this this place that we're in is it's Jerry's home And it's where he works But it's not your typical home studio you use this is like a professional Almost commercial studio people come in. Yeah We're not like we're not la we don't have the amount of superstars that you guys do but we do have palm beach here, which Has brings a lot of people in. Yeah, there are a lot of people that live here So I've had that the people that I can't talk about Serena Williams has been in the studio recording a couple things Um, Joe sips been in here a couple times recording some things Who else? Talia who is the the wife of Tommy metola the guy used to own and run producer Sony records. Yeah, I mean she's a Grammy award-winning Tejano singer so she's been in here recording and Gino he works at second city out of chicago.  This is the thing that this is what's curious to me I mean, you know, you don't google these guys and send them an email like how do they find you? I still have the old school i sdn. So i'm on the digiphone website Listing as a i sdn studio. So uh when they're here Um, rather than drive all the way down to miami for studio. They've got me So that's how they find they actually go on digiphone and look for they probably google i sdn studios west palm or palm beach or something. Yeah on digiphone They have a list of all the i sdn studios by state. Yeah Hmm. There you go. All right Well, let me ask you something that since you came out of radio and a lot of a lot of people try to get into voice over Out of radio and I know there's a lot of radio people out there because I see them, you know, like morning show and so and so I want to be in voice over Uh, you know that sort of thing What is what was the hardest thing for you to make that transition from full time? You know doing radio to really doing voice over because it's really not the same thing No, I probably had a a week long radio exorcism performed on me Just a week Well, no, it still continues as you know, Dan I mean, I've spent a lot of money on gear but when it boils down to it it's It's you and what you do and uh, I've had a lot of different vo coaches and uh You just got to find the vo coach who's right for you There's a lot of great vo coaches on there, but who's right for you and mary linn wissner has just been Absolutely spectacular for me and she's been able to get through my thick skull And actually got me to do me, which is the scariest things for me to do being in radio You know, you don't really do you you do this form of you But to actually get down and just do you and and and relax and do it Uh, it's almost like a caricature of you. It's still a work in progress, but she's come a long way But and I got to thank her for that. Yeah, so what sort of stuff you've been doing lately That you like I said, it was about it. Yeah, well, you know Automotive I've been doing that and like I done the the band's visit the elf on the shelf, which is coming to uh, Your neighborhood probably uh, james hardy siding I've done all their national stuff so And for me working my way up the ladder when you want to actually go up and and play with the big boys and Get these big contracts When you actually land it you have to understand that when you're doing the session These people are in a studio in new york la chicago And it's a it's it scares you when you look at the studio that they're going to it's a million dollar studio And the first thing that producer on the other end is thinking. Okay. I'm hooking up to a home studio which has them A little on alert right away. Yeah, and that's why I've got the studio bricks booth behind me because when they've rented that whole place and they've got Creative people in there and copyright people in there and the studio producers You can't have somebody coming by and a weed eater outside your door here or your window and and And they have to take a break Because this is a quiet place. I mean You probably did you record in in the open room for a while? No, did you go right to the studio? Yeah, I went to the studio bricks because I knew I had to have it.  That's when you need quiet on demand working here Yeah Anything down guys? Oh, it's back. Okay Do we have a big dropout? I don't know. We'll edit it out Okay, that's the fun of live broadcasting. What was the last thing you heard us say Uh, I heard it all Yeah, don't worry about it. It's recorded It's still rolling. Okay Still rolling No, I was saying like so, um, yeah, you need quiet on demand And uh, that's when you make that a kind of investment like jerry did for I mean you've done some other things to improve We're gonna we're gonna talk more about this on the next show about tech talk We're gonna get more into the tech side of what's going on here, but You've made a lot of investments to make it better for sure And I helped a lot of people that have studio bricks booths that are that are buying them and and I gave them some advice And the the latest thing that I installed is here in the room outside of the booth I just installed the endo Yeah, the endo window insert insert. Yeah, and it's an acoustical glass piece that actually goes In the window on the inside and so when the weed whackers go by or the lawnmowers go by It's just one more level of insulation because otherwise my house is it's a concrete block house Really? Yeah, but the the windows are the contractor windows, so they're very cheap You know, I mean so that really helped you probably didn't measure it But was it quite a noticeable drop in the noise? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah cool Yeah If you're just joining us our guest is jerry pelleteer joining us from west palm beach, florida And uh, if you've got a question for him about you know about his career or how he makes his transition from radio to Voiceover or how he deals with his business Throw it right now in the chat room and I think Mike Merlino is in there trying to take care of all this And we'll get to that question But right now we're gonna take a break and we'll be right back with george and jerry and me right after this I think I heard the voice of a body shop.  Were you? This is virgin radio Well, okay, we're not that innocent. There's genes for wearing and there's genes for working Dickies because I ain't here to look pretty. 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I did hear the voice of a body shop And we're back Sounds familiar doesn't it we still laugh when we hear bob bergen doing uh doing uh, what that that was important Yeah, yeah Yeah, I'm still doing that. Anyway, we're here on voice over body shopper guest is jerry pelleteer And uh, george is in west palm beach florida with him in his studio and uh In and all the time that you've been doing voice over. What's what's your favorite stuff to do? Uh, it's probably a character, you know, I just don't get to do character stuff very very often It's easier to do than just doing yourself Right, which I've been trying to do when somebody asks you just to do you you're like Nobody wants to hear me So if you can do a character stuff, you can actually live outside of what you are and it's easier to do And a lot more fun. Yeah Uh, again, if you've got a question for jerry or for george and me or you know, just general marital advice Get it in the chat room right now and uh, we'll uh, we'll get to that We got a question here from john duffin Who asks john in philadelphia. Yeah john He's a client.  So you're reading it and you sound distracted right and that's what they want This sounds bizarre. Yeah, it is it's yeah, I mean it's it's it's not easy I mean I I've I've worked on it for years and it's like well, you know, I don't sound like an announcer I am an announcer You know and you get these specs it says and the client says no no no announcers. Why are you sending this to me? And the other thing is something simple like in a sentence you just repeat repeat a word twice So so if you're going to the store, you know, which is kind of like a distracted read Like if you're playing with the rubik's cube you go so So if you're going to the store, you know, just something simple like that But she gives you all these tools that help a guy like me that can use them mechanically Make you sound more Non-announcing right right. Yeah, I mean and occasionally the last for that for the most part though commercially They really are like no announcers Like why are people even sending that stuff in I it's kind of kind of interesting that that's what it's on The the the one thing I had to do a whole series In fact, it was like two and a half years worth of shows for oxygen network and it was all Uh these mass murderers You know the btk killer Um, all of them you just go down the list and and it was a you get the booth for two and a half three hours Talking about these mass murders by the time you got done with that session. Oh, you needed to needed to have a drink But people love those shows I don't understand but they love watching shows about Mass murderers. It's true. They sell really well. Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it either. Yeah, it's entertaining I mean, you know reality tv and a lot of this stuff Really has opened up the door for a lot of us in voiceover. There's a lot more documentary type work out there Have you been finding a lot of that? Well, even like hg tv, which is more on the lighter side of things, you know what I mean, um, uh, The discovery channel. Yeah, there's there's some some back old backwoods boys, you know brewing Alcohol and their steels out back you can do those too, you know So there's a wide variety of types of narrations that that are going on and I love it Yeah, I do some on the on the outdoor channel too with some hunting shows. Oh, oh, those are exciting But your job is to make it exciting There's actually another thing that you do apparently which is golf pride spots Yeah, and and I am I kill snakes for living when I go out on the golf course. Uh, uh, I don't golf But yes, I've been doing golf pride for like five years. Uh People tell me that commercials are on the golf channel, but I never see it. It's great. Well, rick Shockley, uh, he said jerry is my is my vo hero um, he said he helped me a lot and So he wanted to mention that you do those spots, but he thinks you're pure talents. Yeah Well, I tell you what there's there's some great talent down here in south florida. You got doug trichel Sean called well there There's some great females down here that are fantastic who we had here at the house when marieline came in So I am humbled to be even a part of that group And that's a cool thing about hosting an event like that is now you're connected to maybe a bunch of people you There's probably Well, how would you know that they're there unless you put it out there and said come over and let's do a class And now you maybe have a bigger network than you did before Yeah, that was that was a great day and and we Got some great relationships there and I think you know the vo community as you guys know Very helpful to one another, you know, people can pick up the phone. You can call somebody and they'll if they can help you They will That's the important thing. We got a question from fred north. Why don't you take that one george? Fred north. Um, jerry, do you have? a source connect or ip t t ip d tl and in addition To your is dn. Um, so I'll add there's a couple part question.  But and I and you see these discussions time and time again on all the boards Which one should I get back to that one? It's not up to you. It's up to the producer At the studio that you're going to so if you want to Play in the world that That a lot of these guys are playing it. You got to have everything. I've got old school i s dn. I've got a telos phone thing here, but I can also use my my Is dn as a A phone patch, but I've got ip dtl. I've got source connect Standard I've got them all so it's like, you know, whatever they need I have and you're able to run with it Yeah, gotta have all the tools in your toolbox if they're all asking for it What do you find? What are you finding? Most producers are looking for right? That's what I was going to ask We're on the same page. Yeah, I would say you know the same page It was it was probably 95 i s dn and and a little bit a source connect But now those roles have kind of switched a little bit. It's it's more source connect Then i s dn. I mainly use ip dtl when i'm on the road and I need a phone patch Oh, you're using it as the phone patch. Yeah, you're not using it as a bridge all that much.  Or how do you yeah, because you know as well as I do if you're using the hotel's wi-fi Or your phone is a hotspot You can get dropouts there and and Even with the apollo and the gear that that george has shown me which really helps In an environment that is not your studio You still can run into some issues that if you're connected to a pretty sophisticated studio And you they've got talent there and they book time there. You don't want to waste their time So if it's a session like that, I'll I'll find a studio close by and work it out Yeah, well another thing is you're you know one thing about having an exceptionally good home studio Which you do now at this point. I mean you've you've put a tremendous amount of effort into getting it sounding good and quiet so Now you have a bar that if you have to travel Is even harder to obviously match when you're on the road So I would imagine you're probably trying to avoid having to do that very often Like you're not going to pick up something for example I I have we were I can tell you sir We were at faff con last year and a good friend of mine steve kett. Who's who's here tonight as well Um, I had a session to do we went up in the room and they had construction going on at faff con nine if any of you went Uh, so there was jackhammers going off and we were like on the third floor and uh, I did the session and and fortunately the jackhammers kind of Cut back quite a bit but With some of the gear that we have that that you know of that that's available with the apollo We were still able to do the session and they were none the wiser That's amazing you pulled that off. Yeah once again We're talking with jerry pellet here and george down in west palm beach florida tonight on voiceover body shop Again, if you've got a question form based on uh, what we're talking about or whatever you want to talk about Throw it in the chat room. We'll get that to him in a second So we're talking a little bit about geekiness on george.  It's like i'm not a geek just use the right stuff Do you find having all that technology? Really helps you or is it just that you like the technology? As far i mean you were talking about how you have Certain filters and stuff that can help you in a pinch or in a situation But how much do you actually do to your audio before you send it out? No, I the less is more Less is more but and I have to say again, you know having you two as a resource in the vo community is just Is priceless and and I know that if either dan or george comes out to your place did george you were out here We're like five years ago. I think jeez. I can't believe it's that long, but yeah, yeah And the work that he did uh being here in the studio Has lasted to this day. It's been the gold standard for me and and really what he did was Less is more. I mean we really all we did was it's no added extra eq or processing or anything like that It's just eqing to the room each room has a certain sound to it And if you can eq maybe some of the imperfection or standing waves out of it to make it sound better That's that's all you use the eq for you don't you don't do it for anything more than just correcting what the room Sounds like or how it affects the uh The microphone and and to make it nominal it's kind of like makeup Some people wear enough wear so much that it draws attention to itself It it just they're like whoa look at that makeup And others wear like an incredibly subtle Makeup, you know, they have it's very they're like are they even wearing makeup, but they are you know And that's kind of I just thought of this because I was traveling and you see All these different, you know cultures, you know But it's like that it's like uh, yeah, we're all putting on a little bit of makeup But it's it's the right amount. It's tastefully done. It's done in light amounts. It's a very nuanced thing So whatever processing is going on. It's all it's all really really subtle stuff But not made to make him sound better in some weird way, right? But for me as a geek if if the sound quality isn't there it affects my re so I have a problem. I have an issue But uh, he's gotten it to the point where it's just I don't have to worry about that And then Dan I can do exactly what you've been preaching. It's all about the read and and to work on that And that's what I've been doing. Yeah, I mean you want to be able to hit record and do what you do And not worry about it and you know a lot of people and I and you you probably get these questions from people George and I get them all the time.  It's like You learn how to read copy And sound like you're not reading it essentially What's again and go ahead the auditions that you send in have to be clean and they they have to be Good so that when you know because they're going to listen to everybody else and some of these These voiceover talents that are have good setups, you know, I mean, I think that makes a difference If you if your read is good and the sound quality is kind of bad If the read is good and the and the audio quality is good, then it's a win-win Yeah, because they're going to judge I've heard or I've found that they might make a judgment of your sound quality Even before they judge your acting Because they can they hear that thing that they don't like right away And then maybe a few seconds later they start to hear the acting, you know So I have a tough enough time alone with just the talent. So I better make sure the audio is pristine Yeah, what we like to say is is the idea is not to sound great. It's to not sound bad Yeah You want to you want to sound like you and the way you sound in a conversation And like you're in the same room with somebody because they're not looking for All that, you know, like make it sound fantastic, you know, it you'll know when it sounds bad when it sounds good You don't notice you don't notice. Well, let me ask you this Are there things that you do where there is an expectation that you send out audio that's really Juiced up gassed up blasting, you know, uh, math, you know, whatever I would send out audio that is polished if you will a finished audio to a lot of these And I think a lot of vo people do it where you send it to Uh a person who's just a I don't want to talk bad about them But they're video editors and they're not going to do a thing with your audio They just drop it in and then when you hear it, you're like, oh my god, you just drop that in you didn't do anything You know, you didn't you didn't polish it up Audio and just left it there. So I will specifically ask, you know, if they want me I'll send them both sometimes, you know, just raw audio and then here's the polished audio, right?  I mean, you obviously you have existing clients, but always got to be on the hunt for new ones, right? Well, I did, you know, seven years ago. I did the same thing I did the pay-to-play stuff, you know, like everybody else did and I've just really Have fallen away from that like a lot of people have and now it just comes down to, you know what, you know, find out what you I used to ski competitively, you know When I was about 40 pounds later, but you know, so for me, that's what I like I like Alpine skiing so go after the ski companies vocal and just, you know Contact people that you have an interest in and and market to those people, you know And there's a lot of things you some people like bowling some people like hockey some people like football, you know But just market to all the companies who make footballs or do that stuff and and Those are things that you're passionate about and if you have a Good audio quality studio then then market to them and work for them Yeah, because if you're passionate about it, then that's going to come over in the read And just your inherent knowledge about the whatever it is. You're talking about that will also come across too, right? I mean, it's just just natural a lot of it's just, you know, self marketing anymore as opposed to relying on the pay-to-play cattle call So Yeah, yeah, and then the other thing is is Dan I'm sure, you know, it's just I mean the number one thing I think you can do is relationships Is the clients you do have build a relationship with them What I love is some of my clients feel like I'm actually on their payroll like I'm a part of their staff, which is great And uh, well just recently I had a through William Morris I had a political come through last week And they scheduled it for thursday then they scheduled it for early friday then friday afternoon And then it was supposed to be today and they they apologized so much They said we'll pay for any studio time. We realized that we booked time with you for me I take that as an opportunity to actually Go to them and say listen, I realize this happens and it happens more often than you think I'm fine with it. And so I've taken an opportunity that was bad mostly on their part But wanted to be part of their staff and help them out and say don't worry about it. I've got your back And I think you that whole team player mentality Yeah, you're emboldening yourself to them, you know a little bit more and that to take it as an opportunity to do that so sometimes Bad things like that if you turn them around can actually work for you Yeah, we got a question here from Dwayne de selvo one of our fans out there and he says He asked Jerry, do you use headphones when recording? Ah, yes and no that question. Yes and no. Good answer. And I'll tell you Usually when they were they're looking for more of like an announcer type thing, you know They never say that but they're you can tell that that's what they're kind of looking for and that's what the copy kind of dictates I'll wear my headphones But if they're going back to we just want a real person read well Then I get my mariolyn wister toolbox out take the headphones off and and play with a rubik's cube That distracts yourself right, right? Yeah Yeah, I mean most people don't understand that the headphones are not to hear yourself Although it's a philosophical thing. The only reason you would ever wear headphones is to listen to somebody else like The director or yeah, if you such stuff that that sort of thing Well, I'll tell you another thing dan too and that's why with the studio bricks booth Um, if you've ever been to a david letterman show when he was on his his studio there in new york was ice cold Yeah, ice cold. That's what I remember hearing about that and that's because it keeps him attentive and and his guests attentive Yeah, everybody kind of on it when you're in these booths And in fact, I've got a five by five, but the the smaller studio bricks booth You know your body kicks out btu's and I'm preaching to the choir here because a lot of people will be shaking their head that You know, it doesn't take long for those booths to heat up to an uncomfortable level And I would say that that really affects your read to be in there sweating and having to do that I have my booth nice and george can attest I have it nice and cold in there because I have Sometimes two or three hour sessions the marathon sessions and if you're not comfortable boy I think you listen to your recording by the end of that that session your read has Degregated as well. Yeah 30 an energy level. Yeah, if you can maintain your energy Sometimes the heat actually makes your loosens up your voice a little bit too Which is you know, I've done session long sessions like that. I'm like, I'm in I'm all sweaty, but I sound really good Earn, you know, it makes it look like it worked really hard at that. You can hear the sweat. That's right Well, jerry, it's been great having yawn and uh, we're gonna we're gonna take a break and say goodbye But then we're gonna record next week's tech talk and we're gonna talk more about your studio Which I think is going to be lots of fun. So excellent. Thanks for coming to florida Well, thank george. I'm happy to be here. I'm still sitting here We've got swag for you. Okay, great Great Jerry, thanks for being with us. You got it. All right, George, and I'll be right back after these important messages This is anthony mendez. 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No, my eye still hurts, but okay Well, hey everybody It's time for me to talk about Source elements and the source connect software that is becoming more and more well known all the time because it's the one that Most of the big time production studios that do those big budget jobs are using these days ISDN has become far and much harder to get prices have gone through the roof And another system has supplanted ISDN you heard Jerry say it He was a big big time ISDN user for many years That was the big dog and now it has changed the balance has shifted and source connect Is the one you want to have it allows you to connect your studio to other studios around the world and provide live Very good quality audio over the internet and receive that direction you're going to get from the studio You want to get a set up on your own studio in your own computer? You can get a 15 day free trial right away in for source connect standard This is source connect standard not the free source connect now a different animal But you can play around with that too over at source dash elements dot com Get that 15 day free trial up and running on your computer and you'll be ready to rock when that client says hey, we want source connect You'll be ready to go Anyway, thanks source elements. We appreciate your support. We'll be right back to wrap things up here right after this This is ariana rattner and you're listening to voiceover body shop vlbs.tv And we have returned George hydrating himself. Yes, i'm sitting in air conditioning. My eyeballs are drying out. I was saying Yeah, that's the thing is here in southern california. I don't drink enough But it doesn't affect me everybody else is like I gotta drink lots of water Whatever Anyhow, uh, well that was interesting to talk to jerry and see how things are going with him down there in florida um yeah Next week on this very show Which we're about to record uh is uh tech talk number 18 Rolling right along. Yeah, we're gonna have some great stuff to talk about. I got a lot of people thanking me for tech talks At the upper up in the great white north up there and vio north people were very Complementary of it. So um, it's what we love to do and everybody stick around and ask questions Yeah, do you have a chance to go to tim hortons? I went to a tim hortons actually one morning It was the one place that was open in montreal when I was walking around and the line was like 50 people long at that place Actually, they gave tim hortons bags of coffee to every of 10 d at the event So we all came home with the coffee timmy hoes. All right. 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I have no idea where I come up with this stuff I mean, I I should go back to the ones where we had all the photographs And we would just plaster our face and in famous movies and paintings and stuff like that Keep doing what you're doing already. Uh, hey and show us your booths Yes, like, uh, we've got where am I jack the goalie is new booth Oh, it is it is he's not in his closet anymore. You'll notice there's no clothes hanging there. Yeah So he's got a full frame. I didn't get a good look at it yet Oh, yeah, all right. Let's see see the whole shot here. You can get rid of george for a second and just show me There there it is Look at that. Yeah He was using like a converted closet forever. So I think it wasn't a converted I think it was his closet. Yeah, like it was like a super it was a well-treated closet But he said he needed a lower he needed he was fighting the noise from the neighborhood So you need to go to the next level We'll talk a little bit about that in our in tech talk next week We're gonna talk about booths and studio bricks and booths in general, which should be a lot very interesting Uh, let's see here, uh, you know, if you want help with your home voiceover studio You can work with george and you'll find him over at George the dot tech that's my home on the web for all things voiceover studio tech support and you can book me for live consoles remote or on site in la or wherever I happen to be Or you can book me Uh for just on uh, basically self-service stuff where you send the files and I send them back including things like sound checks And dan, I know you do sound checks too. Oh do I specimen cup? Yeah at home voiceover studio dot com right here and uh You know, it's it's great getting the audio from people and in hearing, you know How people are trying to you know get their audio right listening to the suggestions that you and I give them And uh, usually little tweaks here and there, but if you really don't know what it's supposed to sound like you can send me a A sample of your audio for 25 bucks. Uh, just click on the specimen collection cup And uh, I'll get right back to you and we'll uh, we'll make sure that you get your audio straight So check that out as well. 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Wow A voice over extra source elements via heroes uh voice actor websites dot com and and j michael collins demos already we also need to thank the dan and marcy lendard Foundation for the betterment of live and recorded webcasting Mike merlino on chat room duty tonight doing a great job Uh, his mom sue merlino our technical director She does a great job every week and we're thrilled that she does it and lee pennie for just being lee pennie All right, that's going to do it for us this week. Uh, we've got tech talk Come on up next week And we're going to record it for you right now live So stay tuned for that I'm dan lendard And i'm george widdem and this is voice over body shop or vio b s We'll see you kids Later All right


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