Hi there, my name is Dan Logan. I work here at channel 17. Thanks for tuning in. I'm joined today by one of my lifelong friends and someone who has Stumbled their way into a pretty cool job Paul McLeod Reporter for Buzzfeed. Thanks for joining me. Hi Dan. It's great to be here. Yeah, so This is what I can pretty much is gonna be guaranteed the only episode of this show. Okay So we're drinking Cheers In case you haven't figured it out We're both Canadian. We're both now living Here in the States Paul's in DC and I'm in Vermont So I figured since I started working here and you happen to have a job that I'm interested In finding out more about other people might be as well So I've prepared a few questions for you. Okay, I figure we're gonna be catching up this week in any way We might as well share it with our viewership. Dan made this a condition of me being able to stay with him while I was visiting Vermont So here we are giving back to the community. So Paul. Um, yeah, despite all odds your job's pretty cool Mm-hmm. Talk me through a day in Washington reporting for Buzzfeed. What's what's it like? Oh My god, that's actually really tough to answer because it's so different depending on what's happening like The the cycle of news which would normally be you know, all right There's an issue of the day. Mm-hmm, and then we're gonna spend a few days kind of unpacking that and kind of like Exhausting it and then something else will develop That has been thrown out the window now with Trump where essentially it's kind of at this fever pitch all the time You've got you've got things that sometimes two or three stories throughout a day that will come out that normally would be like the story of the month and You don't even have time to pay attention to them because there's just something around the corner immediately afterwards I mean, he's always one tweet away from just people setting their hair on fire You know like he'll like we'll be we'll be talking about healthcare one day And then suddenly he'll start, you know tweeting at the leader of North Korea and everyone's like okay Is this a day that ends a nuclear war or? We're going here. So the answer is there's no day today. There's no day today. It's cool. It's totally crazy I mean usually I spent a lot of time on Congress Trying to like, you know talk to people track down senators You know figure out what's going on either in legislation or what's gonna happen? You know, we're both Canadians. So we're used to a much more calm system where you who first of all they actually passed legislation in the parliament in Canada, but it doesn't happen as much here and You know, I'm used to you introduce a bill and then that bill goes before committee study And then it gets debated and then it either fails or it passes And in the states, it's just not like that at all. It's it's comes out of nowhere You've got all of these competing issues that are battling and then it's basically all decided behind closed doors and then agreements are reached and then Bam within like 48 hours from like nothing being written down to a bill being like signed by the president It can happen that quickly.  We have a call. Okay, great, which is kind of nuts. So we're gonna take that Let's see if I can figure this out. Okay No, I don't think so. I think they might be gone. No Yeah, they can call back. Please call back You actually kind of jumped into my second question there I'm hoping you can reflect for a minute on the differences that you've experienced in reporting in the Capitol in Canada versus the Capitol in the States because I imagine it's quite a far cry. It's so so so so different In ways that are better and worse I mean, I will say the one thing that is way more fun about political reporting in America So yeah, so I worked in Ottawa on on Parliament Hill for five years Americans are way more talkative than Canadians and it is great for being a reporter because you will have you can go up to Democrats and Republicans and have Them bash members of their own party in a way that you would never get in Canada. There's such a there's such a feeling of party Unity there like just as like a random example I remember going up to a Republican congressman when I was pretty new on the Hill and There was the Obamacare repeal debate was in full sort of the throws and then House Republicans were trying to figure out a bill And they were all conflicted And I saw this guy was walking into the Capitol and he was a few steps ahead of me So I kind of like jogged up and I was like, oh so and so You might remember my face. I'm like Paul McLeod with BuzzFeed news Can I ask you a little bit about you know, what's going on inside these meetings? And and he just looked at me. He's like, so was your name again. I like repeated He's like, okay. Yeah, sure And then just sort of telling me all kinds of stuff about like who's on what side and who's fighting with who and And like he this is a guy who like the sec It's like the second time we'd ever talked and is giving me all of this like, you know very frank descriptions of how his own party is divided and that kind of stuff doesn't really happen The flip side isn't Ottawa. It's like, I mean, it's a much more functional system and government in every way There's not bias or anything. No, but I'm not I'm not it's just it just it's like it's much more stable and it and it's it's It's much easier to like get things passed and to to govern in a parliamentary system by a while So we're gonna try this again. Okay Hi, can you hear me? Hi there Who's calling? Hi, Rob. How you doing? Not too bad at all. Do you have a question for Paul? Yes, I do. Oh fun Hi, Rob. All right, what do you got? Time to be covering Politics in the United States that are adopted by the I'm not even announced by how but sometimes minute by minute basis What kind of pressure does it put on a journalist to Sure what the actual story is well at the same time dedicating a second part is likely Cool. All right, thanks Rob. Thanks Rob. Um Yeah, well to answer the first part of the question it is I mean it almost feels like you're trying to like paddle back a tide when you talk about trying to fight the amounts of misinformation out there and What we will do is we'll do things like Uh, we'll put out stories that will actually be dedicated to like breaking down all of the spin or or lies or or misinformation out there And being like, well, here's what's really true about this issue and and with you know, try to cite things heavily so that we can give people a resource to Work with to to ground themselves on a factual basis And you know, we try to do that a lot in And our reporting where instead of just citing one side says this and one side says that to actually Be like no, but here's what's actually factually factually accurate. Here's what this bill really does And it often doesn't matter that there's there's so many people on both sides who It is more important about yeah as Rob said fighting that narrative battle that it doesn't Truth is just not it never enters into it to so many people um, so you kind of yeah, you kind of feel like you're you're like standing in the middle of Like a like a riot basically and you've got like a megaphone you're trying to get people like all right Let's all just sort this out as people are throwing rocks through windows Around you and then dystopian future. I think brave new world feels about right in terms of dystopian futures I would like to get more of a mad max vibe if we could Um, I think you know I'm on board with that. Yeah, exactly. I think we would do well In a mad max. I mean, we're not neither of us are our car guys, but I think I think I could like I could see you throwing a spear from a Window of a truck and that's someone else. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah um Cool. Thanks for the call Rob. Um, I have a couple other somewhat related questions here Which ties into probably this dystopian future. We're we're talking about The political divide here the the partisanship is so So deep and I don't know about you but that is one of the biggest reckonings for me in moving here Is is seeing that it's Everything is a baseball game or a war or a football game like you're always moving the ball or always hitting home runs And everything's a competition between two teams in almost every single topic of discourse. Yeah How do you see that playing out in the next let's say five ten 20 years? and do you see any way of of repairing damages that are are very Clearly existent in in in american politics. Well, we yeah, we were talking about a bit about this yesterday. I think about how like there's not really any kind of sphere Or space for non partisanship in the american system because we're used to having things like A depoliticized judicial system a governor general who's a Those who don't know it's our our head of state. It's it's sort of our representative for the queen But it's it's having someone who is is not a political actor Uh, who's sort of like a referee even our speaker. There's actually even a better example Our speaker of the house is even though it is an elected politician. It's supposed to be a non partisan Um, uh, referee is probably a good way to put it. I mean, they're supposed to rule fairly They're supposed to act in a non-partisan way And then you look at it in the american system where the speaker who has all of this power becomes the ultimate political position because then You can as controlling the speaker chair you can block Any legislation from coming to the floor that the opposing party Wants to present in fact you can block you not only can but do ryan has done this has been basically the norm since the 90s Uh, this thing called the hashtag rule, which is basically you're only supposed to well supposed to it's completely bullshitting made up rule but The idea is that you only bring in legislation that is supported by the majority of the majority What that means is if there is a bipartisan piece of legislation that We'll say right now even though the house is about to change Now let's say a large amount of democrats and a minority of republicans would work together and it would easily pass with more than 50% of the house Paul ryan Would and does block this from ever going to a vote because it is not supported by a majority of the majority party It is it is I mean that is just a an open stated level of insane partisanship that is Well, I guess I should say it seems insane to us, but it's completely commonplace here. It's it's it's basically a norm um Yeah, I don't know how it gets any better because all of the entrenched interests are in continuing that fight and I mean there aren't many There there are so many there's there's so many there's so much money being made in reinforcing that too, right? Like if you have a radio station, do you want to and you want to make money? Do you want to cater to one side and get people riled up and angry so that they're tuning in to learn about who they How do they should get and get the other side? There's a lot of money in that or you can go down the middle and try to be an informative resource in this probably You're not gonna you're not going to become a billionaire campaign runs for donations from listeners. Yeah um Something pretty topical right now, and I think your insight on that would be um Would be quite interesting is the jimicosa situation and the cnn.  Yeah, I mean You you can't like you'll drive yourself crazy if you think about it too much because pretty clearly the It like it works I guess is you know this type of demonization of the media this type of calling them the enemy of the people I mean, this is the oldest trick in the book People have been doing this for for decades and decades and decades and it works I mean if there's this body that serves to keep you in check and call you on your bullshit Uh, you wanted you want people to tune them out and this is I mean, I I my own issues with jimicosa behavior I don't think that type of like some of the stuff he does is is helpful And I think it's sort of self aggrandizing but that's not a hearing or there like my personal views on it Like the guy is not going around karate chopping interns.  I mean like this is Combined with the rhetoric, um, it's just it's really disheartening and You you just kind of have to push through it because you know, it's there's no there's no Smoking mirrors here. It's all very apparent like anyone who wants to see what's happening can see what's happening So are you saying that there are people that just don't want to see what's happening? Is that kind of sure to take on the other side? Oh my god. Yeah, I mean the amount of people that like, uh, you know, we'll uh Truly believe that Um, you know cnn is taking its marches order marching orders from george soros. It's not even In in cases malicious like I've talked to people who have Flat out asked me in a in a non confrontational way just sort of like So like how do you guys get get your stories to like politicians? Like call you up and like feed them to you and you know, and I'd be like no no no no no And I would kind of explain Sort of how it worked that would be genuinely just interested and surprised um people just really do Because they're told so often that you know The politicians are the enemy of of trump or whoever it is that's saying it. Um, they just they just accept it as fact Uh speaking of politicians, um, you have some pretty Regular daily interactions with with many legislators senators. Uh, yes, who's your favorite? Who's my favorite? Yeah, who do you have like great interactions with who brightens your day when you see them in the halls? That's a really tough one. I will I'll how about this? I'll tell my story of the last time I talked to john mccain Um, who was always like super salty, but like reporters loved him because he just was He was like your angry grandfather like I don't know. He was very like And at the end there he uh He was in he was in a rough way like he he had uh some Like bandages on his face because he had had some stuff and and at the very end He broke his ankle or his leg and he was walking around in the cast and it was sad, you know, you saw him He sort of hobbled around he was still he was still going to vote still still doing his job I remember one time walking down a hall And he he came came around the other side of the uh this corner And so like we almost walked into each other We were just a couple feet away and I just saw him and he's there and he's got the cast and he's walking With this cane and everything and I just said to him like oh So I guess uh, I guess we're not gonna be playing soccer at lunch And he just like and he just like looked up at me and he just got the smile. He's like, oh, no, I'll see you out there I'll see you on the pitch.  I we we all miss him Is there is there someone um Is there someone that is more or less maligned by the press corps? Is there someone who's the opposite of that someone who is Or maybe even a group of people There are a lot So there's there are people that make it pretty tough to do your job that get the information to get out of them I think I think people sometimes um I was surprised when I when I got went there that some of the perceptions I had were totally backwards So especially when you look at like uh trump, for example, who is you know, very hostile towards the media I kind of thought that that would filter down and I thought there would be a general republicans are kind of hostile to the media and and that is is not true and in fact the Some of the the most like hardcore right-wing guys. I'm thinking of like the freedom caucus In in the house who are who are sort of the far right flank of the republican congress are the most open and talkative and responsive to press That they like mark meadows who's the chairman of it will like will stand there and take as many questions as you have for him And and they're they're really serious about it. Whereas on the other hand, you have people like People like elizabeth warren or uh who and frank I had bernie sand is a local guy They don't they don't talk to reporters too much when they're walking around in the in congress They just uh, they've just moved on I think they just have kind of decided there's nothing in it for them and They don't want to get caught up in some sort of like stumble of speech that will come back to haunt them in an attack Add a year from now and so that's why I have you on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And so they just uh, yeah, they don't talk to us. So it's it's it's weird It's like there's no real rhyme or reason to it. It just it really is a person by person basis Uh, so you were in the room during the kavanaugh confirmation hearings Yeah, uh, I watched a lot of it. I was sure a lot of our viewers watched a lot of it as well. Um Talked me through that. How was that? It's tough. I imagine to be there Uh, we really thought that the nomination was going down at one point. Um, well During christine blasey ford's testimony Well, I guess I should that and then and then kavanaugh when he went up and and it was clearly not Like he was clearly losing control and and we were I was kind of sitting towards the back of the room And at one point he was he was leaving it was like it's the first break and he was walking out and you could see him just I don't know it kind of looked like he was kicking himself Like he was clearly not happy with how things were going and he was very like frustrated I think kind of at himself. I think I shouldn't psychoanalyze but but for my read was he looked like he was just like Mad that he kind of lost his cool and um And I just remember thinking like this is going terribly for him Like this like we might actually be witnessing a supreme court nomination going down which Obviously would have been historic. I mean it's historic either way And then it was uh, it was just fascinating To watch after that over the following week. So the next day Was he was supposed to be passed through committee and we thought okay, it's a done deal The republicans who were kind of on the fence have come out in support of it And then things got really weird when jeff senator jeff flake of arizona he Was was something was up and we were like what is what is going on? Why are they not just passing this nomination through really quickly and uh And it went for like an hour or were like they were clearly negotiating some sort of deal in the back room And no one knew what was going on that kind of chaotic environment I had only seen once before and that was during the obama care repeal where we thought that was going to happen And then john mckay like clearly like it took you a little bit of time to be like, oh my god Like they don't have the votes. What is happening here? And then and so then you know, there was another week and there was an fbi investigation And over that time you could you could just tell I guess the polling just turned against democrat that turned against I wouldn't say it turned against ford, but it turned in favor of cavin among republicans and you could see Trump get more emboldened and then by the end, you know, I mean I was just in florida Um For the midterms and you know, I was talking to some republican operatives there And they were saying that like the cavin thing helped them hugely that that they saw During that it turned uh men of a certain age, but also women who have young sons It turned them uh back towards republican party Because I guess in some way they thought well because after so after Ford there were the other um Accuses who came out and I mean and michael avanatti who's this like showboat lawyer who has dubious credibility was like was involved and and and people and and a lot of how it came out was really complicated You know for example like the the way the the first letter all came out like there was a huge amount of misinformation Actually back to your first point This is this is a story This is an issue where we actually put out a play by play of how it all became public because people were thinking when Diane feinstein leaked it to the press or tried to create this whole Um scandal and timed it perfectly like that is could not have been farther than the truth Diane feinstein's office was not the one so we're behind that so who was does anyone know? No, we were we were uh, we were one of the outlets that were chasing the letter we knew of the existence of the letter um Like we've said that our source of its existence was not a hill source Um, and I like happily confirmed It was not like diane feinstein's office would not talk to us and I knew other other outlets who were chasing it as well And then no one was getting anywhere And then what happened was the intercept put out a story on the existence of the letter and then Then once that was public feinstein's office kind of had to do something and they referred it to the RCMP to the FBI And uh, and then once that happened then everyone was writing about it and then like eventually, you know And then it was just a matter of time and then she and she ended up coming forward Ronan ferro, I believe I guess was the one who broke it um So I want to ask you about about buzzfeed itself. Um, okay Every media outlet And I think it ties into the the point we're making that everybody is partisan in the states There's there's a lean left or a lean right or a complete shuffle one direction or the other um Where would you put buzzfeed on on the spectrum? I'm guessing it's on the left side somewhere But my my more The thing I'm more interested to know from you is is where would you get your news? If you if you wanted to find like if in your opinion the most impartial the least partisan Outlets in the states. What would you recommend? Um, well, so I was actually asked the first question just a few days ago when I was down in florida and Uh, I would say the the weird thing about buzzfeed is that while we have some issues where we've been openly political on Gay marriage for example like the the stated position of the company at the time during that debate was like we are in favor of Of gay marriage. We're not going to be we're not we're treating this as a human rights issue. We're not treating this as like a Two sides like everyone's opinion is is the equally valid kind of issue. Um, and there's been some other things like that. Um But for the most part We actually play it very straight like we take a like kind of old school I don't know like new york times cnn kind of like Like impartial kind of approach the problem with buzzfeed is watching the problem Like the the inherent thing with buzzfeed is that we have a massive division that is not news Right that people like think is is conflate with our news division So sometimes things that will come out on the news on the non-news side Uh, uh, which might be like, I don't know some jokey thing about like obama or whatever Uh, which we have nothing to do with but it'll all get sort of wrapped up in that But in terms of uh, I mean I tried to read a lot of sources um in terms of in terms of federal Politics for like where I go outside of buzzfeed um The washington posts in the new york times are really good. I mean like the the amount of resources that those papers have and the deep investigations that they do it's it's uh Like they're they're really incredible. Um, i'm really happy that we have like robust uh newspapers still. Um, but uh, yeah There's a lot out there. I mean pro publicly does great stuff for for investigative reporting Um, I mean, yeah, like I think I think in a lot of places like, you know, the daily paper is still A good place to go to I say this as a newspaper person myself in the paper background, you know, but yeah Yeah, no, I like I don't know. I'm like I'm a post subscriber and really happy with it. Well Um, I have a couple a couple personal questions. Oh god. Yeah, let's do it. Take a drink. Okay. Um I did a little bit of digging I don't believe in the new york times style. I would say Roughly, um and uh into your fantasy, um for sports background And I printed out all 30 of the leagues you've ever been a part of and you've never finished higher than second. Um It's a lot of research that goes into fantasy sports and i'm just wondering if um, If you might consider using some of your buzzfeed, uh Lead chasing first of all to be better at first of all in our fantasy baseball league I once finished first in the regular season three years in a row and got robbed three years in a row in the playoffs And then in recent years, I've been busy and by about mid-season. I just Look So my next question for you who's um There's a lot of integrity. I think is needed. Um in terms of you wanted a minute to read it A lot of integrity required in the in the political field political reporting um But i'm still fairly convinced that as children you cheated when you played a risk So I wanted like a new platform. Um, you can address the viewers. There's probably like seven or eight of them I think my parents are tuning in and they'll be very interested to know Uh, if you're ready to really come to terms with what you did as a child I was still in paul. No, they've I look I've had enough friends with your parents in games They know my skill level look one time dan and I almost became not friends anymore Because I beat him at a risk game and he insisted that I had uh Interpreted a rule wrong and we had to look up the is that michael andries basement. We we looked up No, read the read the tv It's there, sorry We looked up the rules and I was vindicated. I was vindicated. You've never beat me at risk And uh, look you can you can win all the fantasy leagues you want When it gets when you take it outside of the internet Bring it down to the tactile realm. You can't beat me Paul thank you very much for joining me today. This was great. It's good to see you. Uh, thanks for visiting vermont And I hope next time we're here we can do this again. Uh, this is the best interview I've ever been a part of Thank you vermont


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Okay, welcome back everyone to theCUBE's coverage of Red Hat Summit 2021 virtual. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. We've got two great guests from Deloitte Consulting, Dave Knight, who manages the Red Hat relationship. Lee, he's the lead there. And Mike Wujwa, who's the public sector managing director, both from Deloitte Consulting, LLP official name. Guys, great to come on. We were just talking before camera about all the stories. Great to have you on theCUBE. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. Like I said, we were just talking about all the stories from the transition from pre-COVID, COVID. Now we've got a view into post-COVID. I want to dig into that because there's a lot of things happening.  But before we get into that, can you guys just introduce yourself, share your roles at Deloitte and give us a quick overview of what you work on. Yeah, so again, thanks for having us, John. I'm Dave Knight. I'm a solution architect and global Red Hat Alliance manager for Deloitte. We've got responsibility for making sure that we play nicely in the sandbox together where we've got joint customer and solutions to deliver to those customers. Hi everyone, thanks for having us, John. I'm a managing director, Mike Bouchois out of Boston, Texas. I am coming up on year 20 in public sector consulting. My area of expertise is large state government systems that serve the needs of millions of citizens and thousands of state workers. Good to be here. Yeah, great to have you. And I wanted to chime in with you right away because, you know, Mike, you are living in probably one of the hottest markets, public sector. I've been following that for many, many years. Generations actually from the early computer industry. You know, GSA contracts, all these contracts, you've got all the public sector. They move very slowly, but now the pandemic, there was no place to hide. Everything got pulled back, disruption. You can't just shut down critical infrastructure and critical services. People had to move fast. What was your experience and how is it now? Give us a taste of some of the challenges and the landscape. You bet, John. So we talked a little bit before we started this, but, you know, in my 20 year consulting career, I can't think of anything really close to this other than maybe Y2K. And as Dave mentioned, the Affordable Care Act legislation in 2009, though that was a much smaller scale as it turned out to be. So I would be remiss not to share examples of extraordinary challenges our clients have had related to the pandemic Department of Labor and Health and Human Service agencies, for example, responded to the pandemic in rapid time frames that were rarely seen in government. Citizens that were used to coming into field offices were now required to do most things virtually. Deloitte has been privileged to assist clients with digital solutions across the country in response to this unprecedented event. And so I'd like to share just a couple of examples. The first is for Department of Labor. The pandemic contributed to millions of layoffs throughout the country. Department of Labor workers found called volumes increasing by 1,000% in some cases. The amount of increased volume required agencies across the country, higher temporary workers to help out. Millions of new unemployment claims needed to be filed and benefits rapidly provided to citizens of need. So the big challenge was the agency had to figure out how to rapidly file claims into the unemployment system rather than requiring new citizens to use an external web application that are really unfamiliar with, the agency needed more efficient approach. The approach we used was to create an internal web application that enabled workers to file unemployment insurance claims on behalf of citizens. Workers collected the necessary data from citizens and claims were filed into the system. The application enabled workers to focus on filing claims rather than sort of a technical support role showing how do people use an external web application. The benefits, more citizen were served in much less time. Claims were filed officially by trained workers which resulted in benefits being received in a much more timely fashion. And so the second example is with Department of Human Services. So one state as mentioned, citizens were used to going into field offices, but suddenly they were told you can't come into the field office. So one state provided a 100% virtual application and the important part here is certification solution for the Disaster Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or DSNAP for short. This application was stood up in two weeks. Families who needed food assistance can now apply and be certified for benefits remotely. To date over 50,000 cases have been certified and citizens receiving food nutrition assistance. Back to you, John.  Basically I got to work at home, new architecture there. You got to have a new workflows. I mean, this pause is some real challenges. How did you guys put it together? I mean, Dave, take us through where this all fits in with the Red Hat because obviously now it's new deployment, new capabilities have to be deployed for the pandemic. How does this bring together the partnership with Red Hat? Yeah, so great question. And it really plays to the strength of both Deloitte and Red Hat, right? The success stories that Mike just illustrated. Joe, how we can quickly pivot as a firm to delivering these types of solutions and help our customers think through innovative ways to solve the problems. I mean, the prime example that Mike just gave, everything used to be done in offices, now it's all done remotely because you can't go to the office even if you want to. And that is very much aligned with the innovation we get with our partnership with Red Hat, right? They've led the way in open source and some of the technologies that we've leveraged in our solutions include Ansible for Automation, some of the middle-world products, and I would say one of the cornerstones is the OpenShift platform that allows us to greatly accelerate the development delivery of those solutions to our customers. Sort of again, aligning our innovative thinking with Red Hat's innovative technologies. What would you say if someone said, what's the partnership strengths and what needs specifically are you addressing with customers and customer needs? So again, I think our lean towards innovation is a common thread across both firms and where we have our greatest strength. We like to take our customers on a journey, but it's not our journey, it's their journey, right? So we help them figure out where they want to go and how they want to get there in a way that aligns with their business goals, their budgets, all the sort of factors that drive those things. And Red Hat is very open to that approach. They sort of invented the crowdsourcing of open source. They made it into a business model. They've developed that from literally nothing and that aligns very nicely with us. That's one of the key strengths. We also are firm believers in open source, again, to the degree that our customers like to leverage that to drive their journeys. And we're seeing that, especially in the public sector space, as being a key driver of the technologies they employ. Mike, I want to come back to you on this open component, open question, open source, open technology, open innovation out in the open, as Red Hat calls it. How does Red Hat open source software address the needs for your customers, for security and on-premise considerations? I'll talk a little bit about open source principles in general, you know, so the open source principles of transparency, meritocracy, community, problem solving and collaboration, these are key components of both software innovation, as well as organizational transformation. One of the highest demand transformation needs that I'm seeing in the market is the desire to adopt innovative technology and most importantly, moving workloads to the cloud. It's no longer a thought it is an imperative moving workloads to the cloud on new deals hosted in the cloud, on existing large systems, let Deloitte help us get to the cloud. So I believe the key to success embracing the cloud is recognizing first the need for change in people processes and technology. The vehicle for this transformation is DevSecOps and innovative open source platform such as the OpenShift platform that Dave mentioned. OpenShift focuses on people processes and technology and the security conversation becomes even easier. I mean, SC Linux was around for years and we've always used SC Linux on our Java based workloads. Now we can have the conversation about saying, hey, well, you know that SC Linux operating system we've been using for years now, there's this really cool container management platform that we can solve real problems like auto scaling. In my health and human services career, I can remember every year when open enrollment comes around systems engineers are teed up, ready to manually add those to a VMware cluster or something like that. Well, now we don't have to do these things. We can rely on Kubernetes auto scale and then get rid of those instances when workload demands have been resolved. So it's a really cool technology kind of behind the scenes. It's not the dog and pony show sometimes, but in the end it helps the client and Deloitte remain consistent with those service level agreements. That's a great example about the open enrollment illustrates the fact that, you know, you got to provision more stuff to take that load on. And so it's hard in public sector, you might not have that speed. So I got to follow up and ask you, you guys have had wins in the public sector lately with Red Hat, you guys Deloitte and Red Hat working together. They've got some wins under your belt on the round cloud and cloud and technology, obviously with the pandemic is needs there. Are you seeing, are you guys seeing any particular sector challenges specifically around public sector as it goes this next level? A lot of modernization happening, we're seeing that, but are there any challenges that you're seeing? Can you give some examples of how these challenges are being addressed? First talk about the challenges and then give some examples of how they're overcoming them. So I can jump in here with this one, then Mike, I think you probably have some, maybe public sector specific examples, but, you know, one of the things that I think is common across all industries is resource constraints, right? And particularly as we look for human resources and not in the HR sense, but developers, sysadmins, those types of resources. As Mike said, the cloud is here to stay, right? And it's not something that people are thinking about. It's the facto part of the conversation. And that's great, but it leads to silos of skills, which puts further sort of strain on a limited pool of resources within most IT organizations. So something like an open shift, something like an Ansible solves problems related to resource constraints because there are skills that are portable across cloud environments, right? If you can manage open shift, you can manage open shift on-prem, you can manage it on the, you know, recently released AWS version of that, Rosa, on the Azure version of that. So no matter where you're running it, you've got a common set of skills. That's the sort of a force multiplier. Same thing with Ansible automation, right? If you can write scripts with an Ansible, you can do those repeatable tasks in a much more efficient fashion. Again, sort of multiplying the capacity of your existing workforce. So you got operating leverage there. I mean, this is what you're getting at is that, you know, public sector and other commercial areas, they kind of got to get used to the fact that, you know, you get some leverage here. You get some operating leverage, technically. More with less. More with less has always been a thing in IT and it's not, it's not relenting, that's for sure. It's been more, the more with less has always been kind of a tagline for, you know, budget cuts, right? Squeeze more out of the investment. Here it's kind of like do more with less in the sense of there's more net new things happening with leverage, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, do you agree with that? What's your take on that? Yeah, I think that's exactly right. It's more with less from a resource perspective, right? Typically it was budget, but no money is just another resource. Now we're getting into the personnel side of it. You know, the other thing I would say is something like an OpenShift platform allows, to Mike's point around DevOps, it allows the developers to develop, right?  And am I doing all these things that aren't related to development? If you have a good DevOps platform in place, the security folks can build guardrails into the platform and the developers can just go develop, which is what they want to do in the first place. Yeah, program. And that's another, yeah, exactly. That's another riff on the more with less again in a resource, in a human resource way as versus the budget way. Yeah, and that really where OpenShift ties in. Mike, what's your take on this? Because with this kind of programmability infrastructure as code, DevSecOps, kind of modern developers, public sector loves that because they just want to build the new apps. They got to modernize. So, you know, change the infrastructure once and then, you know, a lot of many benefits on top of it. It's almost like, it sounds like an operating system to me. Yeah, lots of thoughts going around my head right now, but I'll say that more or less to me where I'm having conversations is, imagine a world of higher innovation, more technology at lower cost, right? I mean, so CIOs light up when I explain to them the orders of magnitude cost savings on top of the innovation introduced to their environment. So, you know, moving workloads to the cloud is not as easy as just, you know, packaging up a binary and dropping in on a, name your cloud provider, right? There's an entire blueprinting strategy. There's a cloud data of architecture, modernization discussion. So, we do those sort of things at Deloitte and we work with clients very closely to do that. I would say teaming with Red Hat allows us to be proactive with our design and reference architecture validation. The collaborative partnership and relationship allows us to connect senior engineers from Deloitte and Red Hat. So, we have low level strategic discussions. We validate our assumptions and optimize the use of the Red Hat technology. What we're doing in public sector is separating the monolithic application into layers. And whenever it comes to technologies like Ansible, like OpenShift, you know, like Jenkins, all of these things that any application needs in public sector, we're seeing out to the account teams across the country. Look, this is a slower layer dev SecOps platform. And by the way, you can run any.net or Java-based workload on it. So, we're trying to make opinionated reference architecture so that regardless of the solution, we can just go to market with that platform, that try and true production application. So, I'll give a quick example, John, if now's a convenient time regarding one of the things that we've done for a particular state client. Definitely, yeah, give the use cases, we love those. Yeah, so one of the impactful modernization that struck my mind was the state of Washington. Dave mentioned the Affordable Care Act earlier. There are two major things that came out of that. One was the eligibility and enrollment systems had to be modified across all 50 states. But the second thing in the primary driver behind the Affordable Care Act was health insurance exchange. A way for millions of citizens to have access to healthcare using subsidized health insurance plans. So, in Washington, the health benefits exchange is that health insurance exchange. The state of Washington has been a client of Deloitte since 2012. The solution was originally designed using closed source proprietary products. There are three drivers for change. The first is the API gateway was end of life and needed to be replaced. Number two was the client wanted to move health benefit exchange to the cloud from an on-premise posting arrangement. And third is reducing cost of the solution with innovative products. So, the agency was looking for a platform that provided flexibility, auto-skilling performance and lower cost of ownership. So, we worked with the agency and we evaluated a variety of API management and integration platforms. After reviewing the outcomes for each proof of concept, the agency decided to move forward with Red Hat's three-skill API management platform, Red Hat Fuse for integration and OpenShift Container Platform that offered the auto-skilling continuous integration tools and auto-the-box monitoring and reporting capabilities proactively monitor the health of the solution. I often describe OpenShift as a data center or DevSecOps in the box. It just is all there. You don't need to add layers on top of OpenShift. You install and configure it, tune it and just you're off and running in a short amount of time. So, three outcomes I'll mention. Go ahead, John. No, no, continue. I thought you were finished. So, on the outcome side, the first outcome, the agency substantially lowered the cost of ownership using commercially supported open source while increasing access to innovative emerging technology. So, the agency wanted a solution not only to meet their current needs, but extend the solution going forward. The beautiful thing about OpenShift is you can drop container images into the platform without installing an operating system. It's all just there and it's ready to be extended. The number two outcome, cloud migration. Deloitte worked collaboratively with the agency's infrastructure and managed services team to successfully migrate the help and fit exchange to the cloud. And the last thing, a bit obvious, but that successful release. Working collaboratively with our client, we were able to migrate the solution within 100 days from making the product's decision. The cutover to the new solution was seamless with minimal downtime and zero production issues. So, we're exceptionally proud of that. Great stuff, great use cases. Again, those are great business examples. Dave, I want to get this last question to you and Mike and chime in too. As Red Hat Summit evolves, and we're hearing the theme here at the event about transformation is the innovation, innovation is about scale. When you hear words like in a box or hybrid cloud, you hear about an operating environment. So, it's an opportunity to set the table for the next generation. This is what I see. What do you guys see as people talk about hybrid cloud and soon to be multiple cloud?  You deal with IBM and Red Hat, you probably deal with other people. Clients want, from what we hear, they want back to the multi-vendor, open connection distributed environment. That's what they want. So, how does your relationship evolve given all this is happening? How do you see the future? Please chime in. Thanks, that's a fantastic question. I actually think the market is coming, catching up to where I've been thinking for quite a while. That is that hybrid is kind of where it's at. A lot of customers have been in some sort of hybrid mode as part of the step or a journey to the cloud, getting all the way to the cloud. But I think we're seeing some transition. I know customers are starting to ask me more and more about hybrid solutions for a variety of reasons. The easy workloads for the most part that have either been moved or are being moved, or at least there's a strategy and a plan to get them moved. And now we're starting to be asked about some of the more difficult architecture type questions. The workloads that are a little bit more sticky to the on-premise model. And so hybrid becoming more of the endpoint as opposed to a step along the journey. The other big thing is some repatriation. Workloads coming off of cloud. Maybe they seem like good candidates, but for whatever reason, the cost drivers or other things weren't realized. And let's get them back on-premise. Maybe it's a regulatory thing and new regulations are making folks uncomfortable. So I see hybrid as a pretty interesting next wave of cloud. Deloitte as a firm, we're skilling up, we're tooling up in order to address the needs of our customers. Again, we're starting to ask us these really challenging questions about hybrid cloud and hybrid cloud architectures. Yeah, and just a key point there is that you think about it like the way you're discussing it. It's a platform, not a tool, right? So if you think about it like a platform, then you can move things around and look at architectures and changes of how resources and workloads are deployed. And then what data you're getting from it? You know, whether you bring it to a factory, for instance, you say, hey, okay, we're going to put it on-prem because it's a factory or whatever. So you need more data. What was the change over? This is like a day two operations kind of mindset. What's your comment on that? Well, I mean, I've actually been going back three years now, one of the marketing lines that we developed internally was moved to a platform, not a provider, because you get that flexibility. Now, the reality is stay where they're put for a variety of reasons. But I think one of those reasons could be because they're put in places where they tend to not want to move, right? So if we could put them into a platform where there is some portability built into the platform, I think we might have a different sort of, you know, set of outcomes for customers. And I think architecture is absolutely the key, right? That to me is the secret sauce here. Mike, set up for you to close us out here. Platform, public sector, hybrid, it's what they want. It's an ideal scenario for anyone in public sector. And in general, why wouldn't you want to have a great platform that can be programmed and move re-architected at will for the benefit of the business powered by software? What's your thoughts? Yeah, all good points. Anna and I will agree with Dave. Hybrid is certainly evolving. Eight years ago, hybrid was consuming an address validation API in the cloud and not custom coding that. But today I do agree that hybrid cloud is all about a vehicle, a way of moving workloads across data centers. It's an architecture that is encapsulated by something like an open shift so that you can federate your workloads across data centers. You can put them in one or easily move them to the other. Maybe that's for a variety of reasons. It could be compute and storage is being reduced by one provider versus the other. So the solutions we're designing today, they are data center agnostic. We're not being tied to data centers anymore. The best design solutions are can just lift and move in a very easy manner. So that's my take on hybrid cloud. And I would say, Deloitte and Red Hat are making investments to help us advance that thinking, help us advance those solutions. We had Deloitte have created a Red Hat OpenShift Lab environment. And we've done this purposefully to validate reference architectures to show account teams the way we have delivered very, very large accounts to show them what DevSecOps means from a product perspective and to give them opinionated processes to be successful in delivering these large type solutions. Dave, Mike, thank you for coming on. I appreciate you guys coming on theCUBE and sharing the perspective on the Red Hat relationship with Deloitte Consulting. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thank you, John. All right, this is theCUBE coverage of Red Hat Summit 2021. I'm John Furrier, your host. Thanks for watching.


at Pelicans. Man they've been out in New Orleans for a minute. This one's at 7.30 Eastern. A lot of Lakers fans yesterday with some theories on what they should do. ESPN's Mike Greenberg-Greeny said the Lakers should sit LeBron and AD. You know these are theories, these are strategies that we're thinking, but it's all to avoid facing. They're just picking fights with Chandler. Yeah, you avoid Greeny's back at it. Isn't that crazy though to think about trying to avoid the nuts? Yeah it is. Why is it why? You're gonna have to go through them anyway. So why mess with the basketball guides? Why you're not good enough first of all to sit here and rest this game and then have to go and then beat the Warriors or the Kings. Not like that's a layup anyways. Not like it's the Eastern Conference where they possibly have the Bulls or the Hawks. No matter what happens in this game, sure would it be a more favorable matchup if that happened to work out where they just organically lost the game tonight and then they won against the Kings or the Warriors and then drew the Thunder side of the Nuggets? Yes, I think that would make more sense. I think they have a better chance to win that series, but you can't risk in a one game all or nothing to sit your guys or to load manage them when they're fully healthy just to get the chance at possibly having a more favorable matchup. You cannot do that. That is... Yeah, it's not like this is a seven game series or they got a bunch of games where they can have opportunities to get over that hump. All the gimmicks and all of that playing chess and trying to put yourself in the position to have the right seed. Those games are done. At this point the best basketball teams are going to win the games. Simple as that. Should they want to lose a game on purpose at this point? Absolutely not. It's a reason all of these teams are in the position that they're in in this play in tournament. You don't mess with the game. You don't mess with the basketball. I agree with the thoughts. If they were good enough to do this, they would have done this earlier. Not when it's a one game, basically March Madness elimination where your whole season's on the line. You just absolutely cannot do that. You have to win this game and then you have to take your chance against the Nuggets. Oh, it's a chance. But that's what you have to do. You can't just let it come down to one game because then anything can happen. Then you could be in Cabo next week instead of playing the Nuggets.  But isn't it daunting? First of all, you think, okay, the Nuggets swept them in the conference finals. Boom. They also beat them in all three games this season. Boom.  You play this game, but is that not sitting on top of your mind the entire entirety of this game that, okay, we win this. This is our prize. I mean, yeah, you go into a feeling like that and just making sure you go win the basketball game. But I'm laughing because it's saying the internet yesterday was filled with Laker fans. They were down for them trying to lose on purpose. It's like that doesn't sound like the Laker faithful to me. Yeah, that doesn't sound like the Lakers attitude. I've worn that uniform before. They want to win at all costs, win everything. They've never learned. They've never tried to lose anything on purpose. So I'm calling BS on that. Yeah. And again, out loud, when you say it, sure, they would rather the Oakland City Thunder because of their inexperience because they have never been there before because of how youthful they are. Yeah, that makes more sense, but they're not in the position to do this. And we can't just act like they're this team that can flip the switch. Okay, we're going to lose this game. We won't get this game or they would not be in this dogfight of the play and tournament that they are in. So that makes no sense. It's too risky to do. Do you think the nuggets right now are sitting at home going, we would rather play blank? I mean, I don't think they care. I think they think I don't think they care. But if I'm going to take a shot at guessing, they would like the Pelicans to win this game. I mean, what team would want to play against the best basketball player in the world, no matter what phase of his career that he's in, you don't want to match up with the best basketball player in the world. Simple as that. Yeah, if I'm on the nuggets, I want New Orleans just because of that reason. I don't want to play against LeBron James, Anthony Davis for possibly seven games. I don't want to go Laker Nations everywhere. There's going to be Laker fans tonight in New Orleans. There's going to be Laker fans in Denver. They're going to have a home game in New Orleans. It's going to be a home game tonight. So I will say the Lakers, I think have a huge advantage in that. Listen, the Lakers fans, they travel regular season games. Again, that means so much right now. I guarantee you it's going to be uncomfortable for the New Orleans Pelicans. Are those not just bandwagon people in different cities that have Lakers? They're still loud. They're still there. I'm just making sure I understand what the rules are. The Lakers are America's team.  It's one of the most annoying things you can ever go through. Historically, New Orleans doesn't have this crazy home court. They don't have a crazy fan base like that.  There's probably going to be louder Laker fans in there than Pelicans. They're getting a lot of motivation this morning. No, they have motivation. They're getting a lot of motivation. Hopefully, they're in tune, Chandler, but I understand what you're saying. They don't have this, this, this rich history of not like going to court later, going to Boston where these crazy atmospheres are going to be a normal game for LeBron. Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but they are motivated. They will be there. Shout out to New Orleans. Shout out, Smoothie King. You get a smoothie when you go there as a member of the media and a big fan of that. Shams, the AD of it all. I know injury reports and all that. Is there a, is there a world in which we don't see him tonight? I don't see a scenario where Anthony Davis doesn't play. He himself came out after the game on Sunday and said, there's no doubt I'm going to play. I've had some conversations in the last 24 hours. The plan is for him to play. I don't see any other way, but for sure. The Lakers have to play for seven. You don't, you don't tank this idea of tanking for eight. I don't see the Lakers do that. You, you play to win. There's too much to risk. The other thing is by playing Denver, this, or if you do win and you do play Denver in that two seven matchup, can you at least get them early in the playoffs? Last year, there's a lot of wear and tear on LeBron, Gene. There's a lot of wear and tear throughout that roster. You get them early.  Get that out of the way. And can you imagine the confidence they have moving forward if they knock off Denver in the first round? That opens up everything. I'm saying it's a, it's a, it's a long stretch. What percentage are you giving that? No, this escalated fast. Less than three percent. Less than three percent. I mean, I don't, I don't think they're, but again, anything could happen. It's, the Lakers are a talented team. I'm just saying if you, like Shamsa said too, they're going to be healthy. They're going to, it's early. If they can happen to knock them off, then they're going next, the next round and the next round, they're going to have the most confidence knowing they just beat the best team in the Western Conference. Obviously, we're getting way far ahead It was a sweep last year, but there were a couple of games that were close last year against Denver. I mean, the Lakers can make a case that they're going to make this series more competitive. The Lakers are dangerous.  It's not going to be an easy series. I'm going to laugh if they don't even win this game tonight and we're sitting here. I think we're looking ahead a little, a bit much. This is a mile high now and we're talking about right now. They got to win tonight for us to even have this conversation. All I'm saying is like why fear the dugouts, why fear the Celtics, if you have goals and you have like aspirations of winning that conference. Go on, Whitney. I'm just saying, if you have that, you're going to have to beat eventually, so why not in the first round? If you have goals. Stay positive, Lakers. Keep going. You've got this. Lou, does AD have to be the best player on the court for anything to happen? I don't think, I don't think so. I think LeBron James has been the best player on that team this year and he's been, he's been the leader. Anthony Davis has to be the best version of Anthony Davis. Now does he have to put the pressure on himself is I have to go out there and out play everybody on both teams? Absolutely not, but he has to be the second best player on the floor for them to be really successful, but I don't think he has to be the best. We got a, oh, were you going to say something? No, I searched on his phone, something was happening. It's scrolling Instagram. Okay, so here's the deal. AD had 30 points, 11 rebounds and 33 minutes against New Orleans. That was on Sunday. There's a two leg parlay, you know I'm going to do this, 25 or more points and 12 or more rebounds plus 137. That dropped down already. Man, you should take it now. How are we feeling about it? I love that and I have one little stat here that I love for this game. The Lakers ranked second in the league in points in the paints at 56 points game and Anthony Davis has 16 of those points. They don't only have a guy to guard him. Valentinus is just great big, but he's not as mobile to guard him. Herb Jones is too small and Zion I would assume is going to start on him. He's going to make him have to work on both ends. So I think Anthony Davis does have to be the dominating force. I think you have to get him the ball no matter who starts on him, especially if it's Zion, I think you try and get him an early foul trouble. But yeah, this this is the key for Anthony Davis. He's got to get going early and I do think he gets the spotlight. You don't feel like he has to be the best player, but he has to absolutely be dominant. He has to be forceful when playing. Impose his will early, get to the free throw line, get on the offensive glass. He should be the most dominant player and that stat with the points in the paint that's huge because they can run. They can do but when it slows down on the offensive glass, Anthony Davis has got to be dominant. Brandon Ingram, by the way, made his return with the knee injury thing on Sunday. And he played 23 minutes. So is he full time? Go? No restrictions? His minutes are going to go even higher, I think tonight. I think he's going to be more of a full go than not. To me, the biggest thing though with this Pelicans team is now that you reintegrated B.I., who I believe Louisville played with. Yep. You reintegrate him into the lineup. Play whatever bite. That's true. Zion was so comfortable when Brandon Ingram was out with having the ball in his hands, playing that point forward role. I think for the Pelicans, the big question is always with this team when Zion's healthy is how do you blend these two guys, how do you make both of them fit next to each other and play at a high level? And tonight will be another example for them to try to figure that out. Chandler. It's really hot. This hoodie is so thick and warm. I'm just, there's a lot going on. It's almost like you didn't know that it's always hot in here. I'm sweating too, makes everyone feel better. And I'm sure it does. Let's talk about stealing for the Pelicans. There are certain teams that I think we just sort of assumed that there's a very low ceiling. I don't know what you're putting over New Orleans here. I mean contender seems I don't think they're real contenders. I loved this team early last year when we were talking about Willie Green coach of the year and they have all these young assets with, you know, with Murray and Murphy and her Jones and Alvarado and then they have these stars when they're healthy. They're really, really good. And now as of lately, C.J. McCollum has found his rhythm. He's gotten hot. Valentinous, you know what you're going to get from him. You're going to get solid double, double pretty much every single night with that guy. And then they have two elite players that can get out and transition.  So I think they do have a lot of talent. They are on the right trajectory. I just don't think with the Western Conference being so deep this year, this is their year. But I wouldn't be either way. This game could go either way tonight. They've had a great year. They're now with Brandon anger back to that. That kind of gives another layer.  So I think the Lakers get more. I think the Lakers get more calls. I think the NBA wants the Lakers. The Lakers get more calls. I think the Lakers get more calls. I think the NBA wants the Lakers get more calls. I think the Lakers get more calls. I think the Lakers get it done tonight. I don't think the home court advantage is going to be too big of a deal. And you know what I was thinking too? This is the closest thing to like March Madness we got with LeBron. It feels like it's like the one game elimination. Never played college basketball. This is his March Madness. This is his March Madness. That's a good point. In April. Let's look at the odds. I know they're fluctuating back and forth left and right. Pelicans right now are the favorite. Oh yeah. Yeah. Minus one and a half right there over under of 224 and a half. And the Lakers have won three of the four games that they've played against New Orleans. So let's just go Lou. Who wins? Yeah. Who you got? Who you got? It's going to be the Lakers. Like I said, I'm one of those guys. I don't bet against LeBron James. I don't bet against Steph Curry when it comes down to it for the money. If it comes down to winning the basketball game for the money for to move on to do anything special. Those are two guys I've just learned to never bet against. So I got Lakers tonight. I agree. And you know we never played in a plan but when you if you whoever loses this game that pressure has got to be crazy on the next game. You know what I mean? Like you had a chance to block in the seventh seed and now you have the one game later you're going home. So this is such a big game and whoever it is is not going to have an easy game next round whether it's going to be Sacramento or Golden State. You know what? Let's just I'm going to say New Orleans just to be I mean they look good. It's not really good. I mean that's not a bad thing. I don't know what it is though but like Lakers, Pelicans they've had their number. They beat them in the end season tournament and they beat them on Sunday for the for the chance to play seven eight. I like to say they're due. This is for the money. This really is. This is different for everything. Yes. Well for to go get beat by the Nuggets but yeah it's for everything. Sick reward. It's like a weird prize.


जोई लीगा कर सब ज़ी थै। तो लोग कि वह शंँरे नगाल में को तरे साह सकोई तरेई थै। वह श्वा और त्या देना था लेकना एक चलते रहे कर थी। तो लोग दीँ विए बहुत के रहें जेः करा है क्योक कर थी atis and tripaluites time is lost that's the same thing as d2 like more journey which is exactly this so if you have a longer journey to cover you have it will take you more time what else luggage I mean if you can convince the driver then it's going to be fine what else have you ever felt one thing that is missing from as compared to a non shared cab versus a shared cab one major thing privacy yes privacy is missing right there are more people more possibilities of an argument isn't it I had an argument once in a cab with a girl I just asked her why she was late and she was like आप कोन होते पूचने आले आप उबर को बोलो ये वो I mean her being a girl is irrelevant thing here it could have been with anyone but what are the advantages why do you still take a shared cabin you agree that there are issues but why do you take the shared cab what money money is the issue right you got to save the money right you got to buy that bike that phone right need to save the money what else is the advantage here less traffic do you see that if you travel in a shared cab this is the picture I just shot few days ago in front of the IT main gate you can see if you take a shared cab there are less number of cabs on the roads see the other side of the road less number of cabs I mean I'm not saying there are all shared cabs on the other side but let's just say I mean you're getting my point right two people have two cars instead of that if you share it one car right instead of two cars you have one car so there is less traffic less number of cars less amount of fuel used and less pollution right so there is a less you know smaller footprint of the whole thing so now coming back to the disadvantages the detour right sir so you said that there is a detour what if all the passengers have the same pickup and drop locations is the detour still going to be a meaningful thing it is not and the time factor also will go simultaneously right if there is no detour means all the passengers are going to take the same time to travel which is equivalent to the time that you would have taken otherwise in a non shared cab correct what about the privacy thing right the privacy issue is still there right what if somehow you can make yourself invisible from the other people and likewise for them no one can interfere with you and you cannot interfere with anyone while you're in the shared cab the food for thought right that's why literally food for thought so let's say these three people take a shared cab you know these three people are right who are these three people yes who is the first one is he who is the first guy I am sure a lot of you like I saw people you know I heard them saying the Marvel fans you know these three people are right they take a shared cab now this is the fancy car that came you know as a shared cab so they had this driver for the shared cab he will sit in his driver's seat then he goes to pick up the first person first person happens to be the Hulk Bruce Banner he comes he sees the car he's like I'll sit in the first seat he sits there now is the isolation part that I'm trying to explain when the car goes to pick up the second person what does the second person see nobody in the car because it's isolated right he cannot see anybody he cannot feel or sense anybody and similarly for the other person the other person happens to be Tony so he just comes he sits in the car again the car moves ahead wants to pick up the third person the third person happens to be the God so even he when he sees the car it's empty he just he wants some space to relax and he wants a larger space also so he goes at the back of the car so each of them in their minds they feel that they're the only ones in the car right I mean look at this Tony feels he's alone Banner feels he's alone and even Thor feels he's alone right but what is the reality you and I know the reality they're all in the same cab they're isolated they don't know about each other's existence exactly the same thing is the technology that your internship if you go for internship under my mentorship then this is the technology that you'll be working with it's called Docker Docker will provide you the isolation for your different services on the same operating system now does this sound familiar to something you've already seen running multiple things on the same operating system multiple operating systems on one operating system something yeah virtualization right so there's a huge huge debate now this will be your homework when you go back this will be your homework you can Google what is the difference between Docker and virtualization so it is similar to virtualization but there are lots of subtle differences that you can Google out and find out but let's discuss more so this picture it'll give you a rough idea about I mean of course I can't expect you to read the whole image I know sitting here in a few minutes but this is the Docker ecosystem so what are the possibilities with Docker there are dev tools there are different operating systems there is infrastructure there is networking there is storage there is security logging is there all these things are packaged in something a service known as Docker which will help you ship your programs your software now why is this why is this important why am I even talking about it the reason is I'll just put this slide up and I'll let you read it at the same time I'll talk about why I'm discussing this so developers they love their code but do you know that as a developer in practical life you're going to spend a lot of time doing things other than coding for example somebody says that you know you wrote this code on your system but it's not working on my system that's the basic the number one problem someone says the dependencies that you've installed they're not available for my operating system for example pip it doesn't work well on windows what are you going to do something is not working on Mac how are you going to test it you're not going to run it run a development or a production thing on that OS but you want something to test it right you're writing some code and your boss uses Mac now he says it doesn't work on my system you spend a couple of days just going through the dependencies even though it's working on your system and then you go back to him two days later and again he's like no it's not working you're frustrated you go back you you hate your job you hate being a developer right that's why docker comes into the picture and docker will save you from that because what docker does is it's the shared cab for all those services so what what docker helps you is that it'll take the services and you can ship it with the cab so you can take Tony Stark and ship him with his own cab you can take Thor and you can ship him with his own cab anybody who wants to use Thor he has to use it from within the cab the cab itself will be invisible docker itself is going to be totally oblivious to the whole thing you're not going to notice that something is there it's just going to work so I already gave you a homework I'm sure you'll be you'll hate me for that because your teachers already give you enough homework but still go back and Google about what is the difference between docker and virtualization and that's it so the shipping service for developers the shared shipping services you will get your own ship but we know that there will be other people on the ship also so you can just email one of us my name is also Gaurav and my colleague's name is also Gaurav so that's why our team's name is G-square team so you can email us in case you have any doubts but hopefully you won't have any doubts if you Google that virtualization versus docker oh what was that did the God do something anyway thank you