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I'm not okay the Cullen's robbery forensic forensics Catching the killer British murder documentary That's the title Never even heard of this channel Copyright disclaimer under section 107 of the copyright act 1976 Allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism comment news reporting teaching scholarship and research Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing Non-profit educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use no copyright infringement intended all rights belong to their respective owners UK documentary six I'm a sub up That's the name of the channel 1994 I was a detective inspector based at Islington division police station In those days, there was no permanent major crime investigation team like the one that I subsequently went on to lead So these murder and serious investigations were overseen by detective superintendent who was normally the senior investigating officer and he or she would turn up with a Sergeant they had like an assistant who was detective sergeant He's known affectionately as the the bag man or bag woman because it goes back to the days when these superintendents were on Call to go all over the country when Scotland yard got called into small forces and because that didn't happen anymore But the term bag man bag lady still still stood. Yeah, I was a detective constable at Tottenham CID at the time For me, it was a fantastic opportunity. It's fairly young in service relatively speaking The teams were made up of seconded officers from various Divisions and I'd come from Tottenham to join this investigation. You'd get a Calling to your DCI's office. It said you're on your way down to Islington. There's been a murder You didn't really know What the case was going to be until you arrived down there and obviously upon arrival it turned out it was probably the most most fascinating case of my career The Cullings robbery is probably one of the most remarkable stories. I've ever come across quite frankly Colleen Sutton. It was very early on in his career. He hadn't Done any of the headline grabbing cases that we were now familiar with Colleen having done. So he was very much Making his mark still when he took on this bizarre story which in essence unfolded with Him receiving a phone call late at night. I was at home. I was asleep in bed It was in the early hours of the Tuesday morning after the Easter Monday and the night duty DC It seems it was a man called Tony Brown who had quite distinctive voice He came from the Midlands I think and the phone rang and he uttered the immortal words. We've got a bit of a strange one governor he outlined a Rather difficult to understand set of circumstances and the upshot seemed to be That there were two men in custody it isn't in police station who had been arrested for committing an armed robbery and two attempted murders That we had two men who had been shot at close range in the back of the neck inside the stolen car and That they thought it was a falling out between an armed robbery game But nobody was really sure the circumstances and then there was something about the alarm going off at marks and Spencer's nearby as well And it just all seemed really confusing and I'd got used to waking up and kind of Instantly snapping into consciousness and work mode when when this happened But this was one of those what I just didn't understand what was being said to me I couldn't work out what that actually happened in the first stages of any major crime investigation There's a foggy in which you're unclear of exactly what the details are and certainly in this case Initially in those first few hours and days it was unclear as to what we were actually dealing with Colin Sutton received his phone call late at night, and he said well just just a second Let me just go and make a call shout out Jordan for the honey bits, too Off me and I'll give you a call back which is advice. He'd been given on early on in his career So I said to Tony look do not I'm gonna do this just I'll give you a call back in five minutes I'm gonna make myself a cup of coffee makes you unproperly awake, and I'll ring you back with a pen and paper and I'll see if I can understand what's going on. So I did that and Five minutes later when I phoned him back. He gave me exactly the same story Although I was absolutely awake and full of caffeine I still couldn't make head no tail of what had gone on and nor could he and that was what was strange about the circumstances it didn't sit right that a gang of robbers there just after they've done an armed robbery at a Convenience shop Cullens were a sort of a an upmarket Convenience store at the time chain throughout London, and then I found out that the marks and Spencer aspect was that About 40 yards or maybe even less from the shop that had been robbed There was a marks and Spencer store where the burglar alarm had gone off and that had gone off because There was actually somebody else burgling that shop at the same time, and it was the van Officers responding to that burglar alarm that had caught the robbers Looking into the bag that they've stolen They'd run off in different directions, and the officers have managed to catch two of them And they were the two that have been invested So it was a real sort of mess because you know there's the other saying detectives don't like coincidences So the the idea that all this was a coincidence and it just happened to be sort of even two Teams one doing a burglary and one bigger team doing a non robbery within 40 yards of each other at the same time There's something we didn't like and it must be a connection between it I said look I'll come in and it's now sort of 2 a.m. Or whatever We won't call many of the other officers in yet. We'll keep them fresh for the morning But let's try and work out plan between us and see if we can get just some sort of idea as to what might have gone on What we knew was the two of the kind of complex type joint You gotta pay attention men following shots in a metro I can't look at both a metro car that had been stolen earlier in the day from Clayton and East London one of the men who was shot came from that area And the other one was a local Islings and that and their names were Colin Meek and Gary Mullins As it transpired it turned out they probably committed quite a few armed robberies Having escalated through a sort of criminal career as they'd got older from petty crime through to the armed robbery that You know ultimately was to lead to Collins They'd both been arrested on a number of occasions got previous convictions ranging from minor criminality when they were juveniles into their adult life They were kind of low-grade local criminals, you know that something To be involved in something like an armed robbery with firearms was a little bit out of their league It was a sort of step up for them from what they were used to doing and you know somebody joked that That's pretty obvious the fact they used a metro as their getaway car You know, it wasn't really that the sort of powerful car of choice for coming away from armed robberies Two idiots as we had it after a couple of hours. It seemed to be That the two men in hospital had been accompanied by another two or three men That they had gone into the end of the same car they had in in between us the Cullen store armed with a firearm and a CS gas spray and committed to robbery clean clean the till out Mika Mullins went in Just the staff were threatened at gunpoint There was CS gas some of the members of the staff were tied up using plastic cuffs And the manager was forced to open the safe and the proceeds were stolen put into a carrier bag and Mika Mullins then made their escape with about eight and a half thousand pounds To a stolen mini metro that they'd left around the corner in Liverpool Road They didn't run back into the side street where the metro was parked Got into the metro at which point Somebody and we assumed from the rest of the gang Had smashed the windows at the rear sides of the metro and shot them both while they sat in the front seats Was it one gang that had a fallout and a betrayal or were there in fact the two gangs? It's only when you start to unpick those details doesn't make sense catching him for eight bands No I was looking to the background of the individuals concerned you'd get a true grasp of exactly what you're dealing with And it became pretty evident after a first week or so that this was freakish in the way it played out It's gonna be a major investigation We're gonna have to get the SAO to come in and form a proper murder squad in the way that it was done in those days We didn't know whether or not they were likely to live they were both still alive But they had both been shot at close range in the back of the neck so the potential for life threatening injury was pretty sort of huge really so we were Treating it from the very start as if they were likely to die and to be honest even if they didn't Clearly shooting somebody in the back of the neck is an attempt on their life It's got to be an attempted murder even if they don't die Colin Meek and Gary Mullins were brought here to St. Bartholomew's the famous hospital Which at that time had an A&E department and of course we had to send officers down here because they were Notionally under arrest because we knew that they'd committed a robbery And the first thing that was rather strange that happened was that They they underwent emergency surgery to remove these two point four four slugs from their neck where they'd been shot Gary Mullins had suffered damage to him as a revolver. Okay With his spinal cord the replay was accurate Recreation and was quadriplegic from there afterwards Colin Meek on the other hand had Also been shot in the neck, but it suffered no apparent ill effects other than the actual wound the hospital staff Took a view that I'd never encountered before that it was it was absurd in some respects, but it was Kind of understandable the problem was the police they would they were very keen to track where the bullets had come from But the hospital one of the nurses was saying look we can't give the bullets They belong to the patients So one of the officers phoned Colin and said I don't know what's going on here good You know the the hospital is saying they can't give us the bullets No Colin Sutton being Colin Sutton said all we can't have that Got to the hospital and never heard of what's going on here Spoke to a doctor and said look this is ridiculous We need this to trace where the bullets have come from while we were negotiating with the the administrative staff at the hospital The A&E consultant sort of almost sidled up to me with two plastic bags and said there you go So this is quite ridiculous to have them take them. That's how we got the bullets to put into evidence Steps taken to try and interview Colin Meek in particular. He was less injured than Gary Mullins Meek was initially Incredibly reluctant to speak to the police and was seeking assurances that he wouldn't be prosecuted Meek gives them a teaser and says look I will talk to you, but I'm not talking without a deal He wants he's get out of jail for you and under no circumstances will he give an interview Colin Sutton who is still relatively new has to seek higher authority to get you know to be given a Granted this request By this time Superintendent Harvey derived and I had a bit of a conversation with him and we agreed that in the circumstances You know our interests were best served by trying to find out what had gone on who the missing men were and so forth and this this man who Might or might not make a full recovery was was you know probably not the top of our priorities And what we need to do is to get him to talk to us So I consulted with the Crown Prosecution Service one of the lawyers there and he said yeah That's absolutely fine and we agreed a wording for a letter I typed the letter up and signed it on headache note papers effectively was a get out of jail free card for For Colin Meek to be called to this robbery and gave it to him and he ran it past his solicitor and it was all okay And they said okay. Yeah, that sounds pretty watertight. You can go ahead and talk to them now And at last we thought and Colin Meek said I've absolutely no idea what happened Gary and I went in to do the robbery we got back in the getaway car and the lights went out Could hang on a minute. Well, what about Your the other people in your team the people who shot you who are they where do you know, how can we find them? How do you come about and said we've no idea. There was just the two of us on the robbery We were doing it together, but we don't know about anybody else anywhere. So then we've got we've got the now bro free Y'all did all that and set bro free Ridiculous situation it seems where you've got One pair of armed robbers going in Get rocked for what they've just stolen by another team of armed robbers who shoot them Yeah, there actually were burglars in Master Spencer. It wasn't a faulty alarm that there was a burglary there that night. So What we had was the ridiculous quite bizarre for all the facts were telling us was we had One team of two men makes a mullins who were doing an armed robbery at Cullens We had another team probably of two men who were doing a burglary at Marks and Spencer and another team of probably four men Who for some reason were there and were armed and? Had robbed the robbers of what they'd just stolen so police became aware having spoken to meeks that There was a bit of a problem now because there were two armed robbery gangs and a burglary Gang operating in that small area of Yslington. So the police have to then find out who the second armed robbery gang is this was 1994 and CCTV was much less advanced than it is these days But it wasn't real police work and across Liverpool road from the Cullens branch was a pub And they had a CCTV system which worked in black and white and it worked on VHS cassette and it was one of these where there were four cameras and the Outputs went between the four different cameras for two seconds at a time Only one of those was of interest to us that was the external one Which they used to monitor cues when when people were queuing to get in but that showed the street It was the usual story It was a VHS cassette that had been recorded over and over and over so many times that the quality had deteriorated Quite badly and everything was in about a two-second jump because you had sort of a frame We wanted then you got three others and it came back to one we wanted So although there was potential there to try and work out what happened It was that was going to be a long slog and that was going to be a difficult piece of work We should go do it put it to do The CCTV camera was very like this. I was disappointed to actually to do actual police work Important for us as the investigation went on and so from that we were able eventually to piece together from this very poor quality footage a story of exactly what happened Here at the entrance to Chapel Market from Liverpool Road You can see just how compact this whole scene was because the e-shop over there was colored That's where the armed robbery took place just there We have marks and Spencer and just across the road there is the alley in which the Metro getaway car The whole things like 20 or 30 yards So it's just before closing a couple of minutes before closing time at Cullens It was coming to the end of a long Easter Bank holiday weekend. No doubt takings would have been high So they were standing up and down the pavement there ducking into the fire exit What they didn't know was that the left-hand edge of the building there was a CCTV camera and it gave a view back up Liverpool Road where you could see the Cullens store on your right Chapel market marks and Spencer on your left and the alley where the Metro was parked Meek and Mullins ran into Cullens and then proceeded to rob it at gunpoint with the team waiting directly opposite Intending no doubt to do exactly the same thing It's a startling coincidence to be perfectly honest and one that was pretty extraordinary in my career to have two Separate teams waiting to rob the same premises on the same night Mullins and Meek then run off get back into their Metro to drive Mons and Meek run off get back into the Metro to drive off, but the team waiting across the street Now let's just go hit a lick Hitting the lick is robbing robbers drug dealers known criminals because there's no repercussions. That's why we call it hitting a lick but in this case Is it's is it still considered that? No, I don't think so By the way and the other gang make the instant decision We're gonna go across the road and rob the robbers and that's what they do shooting Meek and Mullins both of them in the back of the neck they then run across With their holder which they put the carrier bag of money into into Chapel market They're looking into the bag to see what it is they've stolen when the police van comes along here and turns left Answering the alarm call to Marks and Spencer So police vehicle turning up in response to the alarm was to suddenly come across the extraordinary scene of two armed robbery teams two men shot in the back of the head in a stolen Metro and A team running off with a cash bag themselves carry in firearms The robbers see the police van and they scatter and they run off four of them in different directions and The police don't know they were chasing armed men who just left two men shot and left them for dead And they chase them bravely arrest two and recover the bag of money They did incredibly well and not before one of them had thrown the firearm used to shoot Meek and Mullins over a Wall into a back of a beer garden of a local pub But they were both apprehended I doubt they had any true idea of what they'd fallen into at that time They probably realized that their instincts as a police officer would have told them something wasn't right They could have been chasing the burglars from M&S They'd obviously come across this crazy scene and they gave chase They may or may not have known that honestly don't even sound real. It sounds like some kind of a movie They had firearms, but I take my heart off to them because they were both incredibly brave in giving pursuit In having come across that scene the weapon that was thrown into the back of the big garden was found subsequently actually 24 36 hours later it was found by the publican who called it into the police that that turned out to be probably a First World War one weapon And because of its age and condition, I think probably that lost a lot of the power of publicity of the bullets And it was particularly unusual piece of equipment this gun It was a first World War British naval officer's revolver and it took a Well, what was it this? This gun come apart in three parts one two three Four I'm pretty sure the trigger come out of there too. That's tough You got a pew pew Rather unusual size of ammunition I think it was point four four or something like that and the ammunition that goes with it was almost obsolete But it did have a particular signature in terms of the chemicals that were used in it They're very heavy in I think it was antimony in the mixture of the propellant And so the firearms residues that were left on these two men that had been shot were quite distinctive and the experts were able to match that up with The gun that we'd found and say yes That's that's almost certainly the sort of ammunition that was used to shoot them Perhaps the ammunition itself was had been weakened and that probably explains why Both meek and Mullins initially survived their injuries as Devastatingly bad as they they were We had two people in the cells And we needed really to work on them to find out who they were and who their Connections were and what was likely to to lead us to the two men that had escaped Got these two men in custody Clifford Wilson and Joseph Brown And they are both Obviously and provably from Northern Ireland. Obviously if they were Likely to know what had gone on And it was a usual story with them that we spoke to them and they no commented everything They should some checks with special branch and find out that they're both known as Being on the fringes of Protestant terror groups over there. Very little was probably known actually about their movement certainly to the Submet police at that time I mean it transpired that following the Cullen's investigation that they probably were committing crimes in the London area and Some were all part of those proceeds were Been channeled back to Northern Ireland support loyalist paramilitary Operation where's Brindy is Brindy still in the chat? We didn't even know that this is going this way and when I say on the fringes the steer we were given was that they were the sort of people who would commit crime quite serious crime and Make a donation out of the proceeds or maybe do a Countryhouse burglary and steal a shotgun and give it to the terrorists. Yeah, they weren't hardened Proper terrorists. They were criminals who had Terrorist sympathies with with Boston terrorism in another one which kind of Made us think you know, is it less likely they're gonna be too fussed and too bothered about what we do? You know are they they're so hard and so sort of anti Police and anti interrogation that it's not worth well we're aware that Colin and The SIO Doug Harvey would have been speaking to special branch But for the majority of us we were focused on the day-to-day activity of evidence gathering speaking to witnesses Getting CCTV and doing the day-to-day legwork of an investigation It's a long Slog of an investigation to be honest I mean benefited from the fact that Wilson and Brown had been arrested on the night That's obviously a major early advancement in terms of Investigation team and give you gave us the opportunity to look at their associates and other similar robberies inquiries were made into their background and their associates and Combining that with many hours of trawling through CCTV seized from around the Islington area that night led to the identification of Samuel McLean The man that was a drifter or one of the men that was adrift still was somebody called Samuel McLean and and Samuel McLean Was known to be an associate from and lived in London, but he lived in South London some Way away from you know our normal patch McLean had fled down the escalators into the Angel tube station and Some pretty good quality color CCTV captured his image as he went down the escalator And being of a fairly distinctive appearance is fairly gaunt man with a long ponytail The investigation team were able to identify him as being the third party the escaping party from New Zealand He looked like a groundskeeper I've never seen Willie Willie from the Simpsons. He looked like a Willie in robbery No, we really had was the fact that we had them in possession of the bag of money Which provably come from Cullins and they put that inside another hold all and Usefully in that there was a part of a gun, but it wasn't a part of any gun that we had Concerned in this offense. It was it was a piece from what looked like a piece from a shotgun So that also was submitted to the firearms Experts at the laboratory to have a look at to see if they could make anything of that which would be helpful to us We identified that Cullins in Notting Hill had been robbed in a very similar fashion to Using weaponry similar to that which the Northern Irishman in this case it in Islington had been holding and it became pretty apparent actually the same Northern Irish gang had robbed Cullins the partial firearm the piece of gun that we found in the hold all Went to the lab and not only did they find a fingerprint on there from a man called Kenneth Macmillan who was another a associate of these Irishman and indeed was probably from the Northern Ireland himself But it also showed us that that piece of gun Had come from a firearm a shotgun which had been recovered at an armed robbery in February 1994 in West London So one of the key elements of linking the previous robbery at Cullins in Notting Hill to the Cullins robbery on that night Islington was the friend they know how forensics work In the UK like with firearms Get me to a grinds with the same pissed the same same gun and firing it and getting rid of it Pieces of it over and over again like they're not gonna link any of it Ziggling made between the stock of a shotgun that had fallen off during the robbery and not in Hill Upon the forensic examination of the weapons recovered that had been dumped as the suspects fled from Islington The scientists were able to prove that the stock of the gun found at Notting Hill was actually a mechanical fit Forensically and an exact match to that founder Islington So they could effectively say the same gun proposed to be used at Islington by the Norah and Irishman had been used to Rob Cullins in Notting Hill two weeks earlier the discovery of the link between the robbery at Notting Hill and the robbery of the Cullins in Islington led to the Investigation team taking over that Inquiry in Notting Hill and ultimately led to the identification of a fourth robber for the Notting Hill robbery We enlisted the local surveillance team in North London To support us and to go down to South London Perform surveillance on Samuel McLean for a day to see if he could lead us first away exactly where he was living But more importantly to anybody else he was associated with The type of surveillance undertaken on Samuel McLean was what's called directed surveillance So it's covert done by a number of officers using a small surveillance team and to follow his movements as he Moved around South London. Ultimately it was not to lead to his identification a sort of further offense Ultimately a small surveillance team and to follow his movements as he moved around South London Ultimately it was not to lead to his identification a sort of further offenses, but it was Helpful in building up an intelligence picture. So we went down to to broccoli It was the first time I'd been to that part of the world really To an old police station there and we had a more early morning briefing and I briefed the surveillance team and I knew some of them from other jobs I'd done and one thing in fact was just as a child and friend of mine and briefed them sent them out Waited went back to Islington waited for whatever they were to find to come back and The news that I got was that they By all accounts and popular consent it was the worst of mobile surveillance they've ever done in their lives ever And I sort of said well, yeah, what was the problem? The surveillance was problematic in terms of McLean. I mean, it's resource-intensive But McLean's job actually was as a mini cab driver and as a consequence it meant the surveillance team were dragged about from Journeys to journeys McLean drove from bingo halls to supermarkets in the South London area And ultimately it was a frustrating exercise. No doubt for all of those involved We've then put some of his dress for a little while to see who came when and there was nobody noticeable nobody There was obviously another part of the gang and so He was then arrested and and brought in as well Just for nothing Some months later down the line her decision was taken to arrest McLean and in a Coordinated armed operation both Samuel McLean and the fourth man from the Notting Hill robbery were both arrested simultaneously McLean Wilson and Brown were each charged with the attempted murder of meek and Mullings as well as the armed robbery at Collins Kenneth McMillan was charged just with the West London colors robbery previously And they're started, you know that the normal kind of period leading up to a trial where We're trying to get the evidence in order and trying to make sure that we have the strongest possible case By that time obviously Wilson and Brown had already been charged with their part of the conspiracy to rob and The attempted murder of meek and Mullings outside Collins in Islington one of the difficulties we had was trying To make best use of this rather grainy rather sort of imprecise cctv that we had a couple of the That's the thing about using grainy and cc like as far as i'm concerned and lawyer could beat that in case that's not me Look at the quality of this. How could you you know what i'm saying? You might be wasting your little time These days and the team that were were looking at it spent hours literally some eight or nine hours To try to work out what had gone on in a few minutes on the street And it was that difficult to to interpret these Images they had these investigations, you know do take us it was difficult for you I even bring it to court and do a jury to look Significant amount of time the forensic work and the detailed cctv analysis There's a lot of focus in the main areas of um trying to identify witnesses Despite there being a number of witnesses who heard shouting or running or shots very very few Eyewitnesses you could fully rely on given a detailed account of the whole event. So it's piecing What has happened that night? Little bit by bit until you get a fairly substantial picture Obviously it was a very complicated scene the the cctv isn't this kind of footage that we're used to seeing that It was very grainy and it's very unclear And we had an office meeting and under briefings we always have we all sitting down and they're talking about it and One of the dcs had produced a comic strip on a piece of paper of stick people. He was no artist They put these stick people on there in different frames and saying this is the best we can work out exactly what happens They drew some stick figures to try and explain, you know, what was going on. It was very bizarre and They sat with the team with collin and he thought What are we going to do here? And we looked at it and I just made one of these throwaway comments that sometimes come comes fruition.  You thought she was funny in that moment Turns out it was just a dad joke. It's not funny And you still tickled about it. That's okay, but anyway And uh, and there's a few chuckles about it. Collin was at home and he was watching Bro just gloated about a joke mid Mid documentary An advert on tv for the channel tunnel which explained how it was going to work out is going to operate And collin thought I wonder if we can get someone to translate these little stick figures Into some kind of animation and I looked at that and I thought well if we could only do something like that with these Stick men so let's translate these stick men into a a slick sort of Animation like that That would enable us to present to the jury what that film is showing us And that was my problem was that the jury Didn't have eight or nine hours and if we put Those grainy images up and somebody tried to explain it They wouldn't see it straight away and you know, they're not used to looking at stuff like that anyway And it would be impossible to get over to them in the time We had the importance of what was shown because what it showed was that There was a group of men Up and down outside the park With a bag sort of animated stick figures held up That are waiting And then The two robbers come in and do the robbery at collins and then these men go across the road And that's when it all happened when the robbery of the robbers happened He went and discussed it with his senior officer and they thought well this could have legs Let's let's take it to the cps I kind of floated that idea past past the Harvey and he said yeah, I can see what you mean I think he made a joke saying well, there'll be lots of the jury that used to watching cartoons He'll probably go down well with them, which was was was quite amusing. So it's not funny I found no humor in either joke so far Contacted a firm who did that sort of thing. They were down in Swindon and I went with with one of the officers Tim Cawthon to See them and took the Film down and also had to speak to the cps because there's no point in doing all this if we couldn't use it at call So explain what they wanted to the cps and the cps said Well, I don't see why not. Let's see if we can find a you know an animation company So they did they tracked down who had made the animation for the channel tunnel And the cps said well as long as it's you know, they can do it and it's a faithful representation They can get it signed off that this is what happened Then absolutely yes, we can do it and show it to the even though that may be what happened They could have literally just fabricated it And got it signed off with uh How did she phrase it yeah said well as long as it's you know, they can do it and it's a faithful represent As a faithful representation. Do you see how the court system work? It's just insane Yes, we can do it and show it to the jury and that's exactly what happened commercial private firms like that If you ever have court and they come in with animations, you're cooked. They want you gone See that there's a potential opportunity to assist police in doing this in the future And they even did it for us for nothing and said we'd you know, we'll do this as a trial to see if See if it works. It didn't even cost us anything And we were allowed to use it and I'm sure that was A very persuasive piece of evidence for that jury was that they were able to To sit and watch with absolute clarity What the cctv had recorded And it's a perfect example of how Collin Sutton thinks outside the box The trial of the northern Irishman at the old bay. There was extraordinary event to be perfectly honest There were some of the biggest hitters in the british judicial system were involved in that trial Representing the crown was michael worsley qc. It was the most senior treasury council at the time and Representing the defendants included michael mansfield qc and william cleb qc to the most eminent defense council in the country The trial drew an awful lot of attention both from the media and also members of the public All four men stood trial at the old baylee and They all united involvement just said it wasn't us. We weren't there But of course we had the fingerprint evidence and we also had the cctv evidence, which This animation was easily presented to the jury What the animation showed was the four northern Irishmen across the road from cullens waiting to rob it and then the metro turning up Meek and Mullins going into cullens coming out with the bag after they robbed it Then two of the northern Irish gang crossing the street where they shot meek and mullins in the cull The jurors were therefore able to see this really This is an animation with absolute clarity It was a fascinating trial to be involved in to be honest as a young i still confused about how that even worked because you can't Say it's exactly this person of that version detective a number of different Defenses were put up by those representing the defendants ranged from the shooting being the responsibility of a rogue flying squad Team that night to the fact that it couldn't have been them as they committed a burglary on a garden center in south London that evening And were burglaring that premises rather than in Islington So the whole combination of different defenses I mean I specifically recall having to ask the flying squad to provide a statement prove that none of their officers were on duty armed that evening to try and negate the playmate by Those representing brown that it was actually the flying squad did shot meek and mullins and not the northern Irishman that had been arrested on the night Samuel mcclay, you know who pan for them top lawyers In Clifford wilson gang him If brown the three men that were involved at cullens in islington who shot meek some mullins They got 20 years each Kenneth mcmillan Was committed only of the armed robbery at west london in february he received 12 The northern Irishman upon conviction was sentenced to 20 years imprisonment at the time and in hindsight I think that's a fair sentence to be perfectly honest in all the circumstances And given their background I ain't even gonna lie buddy right here. He don't need no time He's he's he's learned his lesson. He'll never rob again all the circumstances And given their background Judge michael kuhn qc sentenced to men and remarked that it was obvious that they're ruthless men Utterly selfish and utterly determined to enrich yourselves no matter who might be hurt physically or materially When you look at the sentences these men received at the time they seemed about right 12 certainly mcmillan 12 years One armed robbery seemed about right the other three I suppose were sentenced Really as if they committed a murder, you know, they got 20 years this was Before the days where the aggravation of using a firearm meant You know these days if you murder somebody with a firearm the starting points around 30 years But that wasn't the case at the time and the sentences were what we expected And I think reflected the the criminality and the ruthlessness of the men Gary Mullins was never fit enough considered fit enough to be able to stand trial his his health had already deteriorated He was a paraplegic at stoke manderville hospital and by the time We came to prosecute collin meek Uh Mullins was in extremely serious ill health meek on the other hand collin meek went back To life as before and that life as before included committee armed robberies and he was Eventually arrested by the flying squad for a number of armed robberies in about 1997 They started to put A series of crimes to him and one of the crimes they put to him was the armed robbery at cullens in livable road islington in easter 1994 I was heavily involved in the trial of collin meek um We'd he'd been arrested by on our behalf by the flying squad um his home address in stoke newington And he said ah, yeah, I I did do that but I have this letter that Says that I can't be prosecuted for it And they looked at it and decided that it probably wasn't legally valid and charged him with it. Anyway, dang Imagine that meeting it showing the letter makes it that it's not valid His defense was primarily that he'd uh being granted immunity from prosecution Um to try and secure his witness evidence in relation to the trial of the north nourishment Oh, that's new from the beginning Got that letter and still got jammed. That's great That was not an argument that held sway at the old bailey So almost inevitably his I would have fought that defense team seized upon this and and spoke to the cps and uh there's a degree of of Misremembering around me here at the cps because they Kind of didn't recall having a conversation with duck harvey and myself about the letter anyway And I was summoned to go to the old bailey to collin meek's trial and was given a pretty sort of tough time by his team in the witness box and and I just Obviously told the truth and told it what it was like and said this was a position We were in we spoke to the cps. They told us to write the letter. We wrote the letter He actually didn't tell us very much, but yeah, we didn't know that he complied with his side the deal It's a matter for the court to decide what should be done about it and the decision of the court was that The letter shouldn't be a bar to prosecution. He was convicted of the collins robbery you know Cut a deal get it signed by all the proper channels and still get jammed Listen to this Several years later that sounds bogus to me for this that's another armed robberies So despite the fact that collin certain was given the worst grilling in the witness box that he'd ever had in his career The judge decided it wasn't a bargaining situation and he was convicted Of the crimes Ultimately the collins robbery. There's no doubt that collin meek's sentence of 10 years Actually was in part lowered to that figure because of the injuries that he suffered on the night I'm pretty certain about that that I would have expected a robbery of that level of violence and sophistication Ordinarily would probably received a longer term of imprisonment than at 10 years He Decided I think to retire from armed robbery but in 2005 He finally got his own 20 year prison sentence because he was convicted of a murder a murder of a drug dealer Who he shot while riding a motorbike and it's all there was a contract killing so Perhaps he thought that was an easier way to make money than doing armed robberies It was just another way for him to get into prison After the conclusion of all the trials and I went to see gary mullins at stoke manderville hospital by that stage gary was A paraplegic unable to move out of his bed, but he did speak to us quite candidly for some time He was very open about a life of crime that he committed. That was pretty clear in speaking to him The mullins was probably regretful Of how that night had played out And I think it was fairly obvious that he'd wished actually that he probably died on the night He didn't live for very long. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie man. Don't let me not be up. Don't don't I don't want to Just take me out the game coach. Be honest. He ended up Needing all sorts of full-time care obviously because of his condition and he died in a Some sort of residential care Facility in in west london about two years three years later It was an extraordinary case to be involved in and one that I learned from a lot Ultimately, I was it to end with a 30 year career in the cid And including myself as a detective inspector on homicide and serious crime And of all the cases this is the most fascinating actually and the one that When you get asked about what's the most interesting case you've ever been involved in Yeah, it is pretty interesting for sure the events of that april 1994 colin's in islington is the case that I referred back to Are there a work group? Oh, we don't Tla leave a like comment subscribe turn on your post notification. Very interesting. We don't need to watch this segment


The tendon of the psoas minor attaches distally to the pelvis, proximal to the pectineal line, just medial to the iliopubic eminence. This tendon also forms the structural backbone of an extensive aponeurotic envelope, often referred to as iliac fascia. The primary purpose of this video is to show, through a cadaver dissection, how this aponeurotic envelope, when under tension governed by the psoas minor, helps stabilize the position of the underlining iliopsoas. This is the right hip region. There's the right anterior superior iliac spine. The right pubic tubercle. The inguinal ligament has been removed, and we have exposure to the pelvic abdominal cavity. Let's note the large psoas major. The iliac is just lateral to it. The lateral border of the quadratus lumborum. On top of the psoas major is the psoas minor, and we can follow its attachment, its tendinous attachment, into the iliac fascia as well as into bone. So this iliac fascia attaches laterally near the anterior superior iliac spine, is continuous distally into the fascialata of the proximal thigh, and then is continuous on the medial side with the aponeurosis over the obtrater internus. Note this wrong central tendon that actually bifurcates. Some of the tendon goes medial into bone, into the pelvis, and there's a lateral band that continues on as the backbone to this aponeurosis, or the so-called iliac fascia. If I were to simulate a contraction of the psoas minor, tension can be developed and transferred through the aponeurosis, not only medially over to the obtrater internus, but directly over the iliosoas, and that tension then continues into the thigh via the fascialata. The psoas minor can control tension on the iliac fascia, which may control the position of the psoas major, prevent it from bow stringing during flexion. The psoas minor can also control some tension in the more proximal region of the fascialata.


And so I'm so, so excited to move forward on today's show. Again, I'm Julia Patrick, you have the American Nonprofit Academy. I've been joined today by the non-profit nerd herself, Jared Ransom. We wanna thank our sponsors as always without you, we would not be here and you're gonna be seeing some new logos. And so we're super excited about that. Today is another episode of our master class and this is really exciting. We kind of wanted to tag this into Mother's Day that's coming up to the end of the school year, to the beginning of a lot of philanthropic activities across this country, so that we can talk about how we engage children in philanthropy. Although I'm a mother, gasp, clutch your pearls of now an adult woman. This was- An amazing adult woman. She is amazing. But, you know, this wasn't a conversation that we really had across parenting as it is now. And so Jared Ransom as the non-profit nerd herself, also the mother of a 10 year old- Let me get these things on. Get those glasses on, because we really wanna plumb the depths of what this means. Yeah. So that our non-profits can start to look at adapting some of these pieces into their own organizations. Well, it is a huge passion of mine. I'm thrilled to share this, excited that it's right alongside with our Mother's Day timeframe. I was recently on a podcast and I talked about the rise in women philanthropy is now because the amount of money and the amount of wealth that women are either acquiring from inheritance or acquiring on their own, right? Is really phenomenal. I think phenomenal. So there's a podcast I did on that. I was a guest on someone else's, but really engaging children in philanthropy is so much of a passion of mine. Do you have a 10 year old, right? He hasn't always been 10, but I have been demonstrating and that's one of the things I'm going to share is how do we model this as a parent or any kind of role model in the life of these kids? We could be a grandparent. We could be an aunt. We could be a neighbor. I mean, there's all these ways to really demonstrate this and how we play a role in engaging children in philanthropy. So I want you to watch and listen to this episode with that point of view and the point of view of being a nonprofit, being an organization that is looking to create opportunities that allow the ability for families to really have multi-generational type of events that are conducive to creating a space that will and can engage children in these philanthropic arenas. Yeah, good job. Okay, so first and foremost, you advise us to make giving a topic of conversation. And so if you're coming to this from the vantage point of a family member and you're trying to do this internally, I'd love for you to chat about that, obviously. But what if you're an organization? We tend to think, oh, we have to go after the wealthiest people and that's kind of where those conversations start and stop. Talk to us about this. Yeah, so I have seen a lot of great organizations really create opportunities for children and I'm sure we've all seen this where, let's say Johnny for his 10th birthday, he collects art supplies instead of ask for presents, right? And I just, I do wanna acknowledge that is hard sometimes for children, right? I even had a hard time bringing that into conversation with my own son to say, but wouldn't it be cool instead of me giving you gifts and all of your friends coming with gifts, they're bringing gifts for someone else and he wasn't as keen on it as I had hoped he would be. But I think that's one area and demonstration that we have seen. And I think there's a great way for us to do that both as an agency and as a role model to our children. So that's the simplest because it takes all kinds, right? We talk in the nonprofit world about time, talent and treasure. So maybe there's an in-kind donation that you could engage these younger children. And it could be as simple as collecting art supplies or our sports equipment or bike helmets. Like it could be all kinds of different things. Wow, I love, love, love that. And I think that's like a super genius way to do so many things. So I'm really appreciative that you started this off. Now, the next thing you talk about is actually looking at your children and this is like on the internal side versus agency side, connecting kids to current interests. So what does that look like from both perspectives, the family and the agency? Yeah, and I'm gonna be honest, it's a little hard for me to be wearing both hats. Yeah, I know. I do focus on one, just kind of steer me next to the other conversation, Julia, and I know you can do that. So I will demonstrate or really share from my own point of view how I've done this as a parent to my child. So really connecting a kid or a child to their current interests of what that might be. We are huge. We, my son and I are huge outdoors enthusiasts. We love to go to parks. We love to check off national parks and get our stamps in the passport book. So a way in which I have connected, my own child's current interest is when we are traveling and when we are visiting these parks, oftentimes the gift shop will have some kind of a philanthropic purchase. If you purchase the stuffed animal, right? It supports the habitat of this animal in the wild. So we go home with a stuffed animal, which I get it. We don't need any more of them, but the point is it's connecting the current interest of outdoors, of animals, of being a nature enthusiast and how we can play a role, even a small role, right? Of bettering a habitat for future. So that's a great opportunity. Yeah, that's smart. You know, similarly, I saw Arzoo here in the Phoenix community during COVID, they did a drive-through. I forget exactly, cruise the zoo, I think is what it was called. Yes. And they did a similar opportunity. So we literally got in our cars and we drove around the zoo and they then had stuffed animals, right? That were maybe endangered species. And so think of a way that you as an organization might be able to relate something, a product, a story, really to a younger demographic. Another really cool thing I saw back to the outdoor enthusiast, we were on a hike and it wasn't the easiest hike, but the docents, right? Like it was really cool. They created these placards that told a story as you incline. So as you continue to incline this mountain, you get a little bit of the story and then you have to go further to get the next one. So it wasn't a tangible item that we took home, but it did entice us into we have to go further to learn more and how they integrated the opportunity to engage a younger demographic. Oh my God, that is like super genius. It worked for me too. Oh, cause I... And they changed the story. So it wasn't always the same story. I don't know how often they changed the story, but that could be something that, you know, it is seemingly easy to do. And maybe you have six stories and you change them out, you know, throughout the year. Exactly. Oh my gosh, I love that. I think that's super genius. Now you talk about this, and this is interesting to me, modeling, volunteerism. Not just when I think about this, it's not just like, okay, look kids, I'm sending in this big check. You're saying like, boots on the ground. Boots on the ground, you were so right. So the definition of philanthropy is not a certain dollar amount, right? It is merely the act of giving.  So thank you. And that's for all of you. And so really I think it's key to also model volunteerism, use the word philanthropy. It's a big word, right? Like I even have a hard time saying it, but if we continue or when we continue to use the verbiage with our children, it becomes just natural conversation. So over time, and I will again be honest, right? So we span all of us span times in our life where maybe we don't have enough time, but we can give a check or maybe we don't have enough money, but we can give time, right? So how might you find a nice balance for your family unit to really model this volunteerism? It could be cleaning up a park, right? It could be cleaning up an animal shelter in a kennel. It could literally be like loving on some cute little kittens at the shelter. So it doesn't, it could be serving food at a soup kitchen. There's all these opportunities. It could be packing hygiene boxes for individuals experiencing homelessness. Some of these you can actually do at home, right? So when you can model volunteerism, I welcome and challenge you to do so. And I think it's really advantageous that we try on a variety of services, right? Like experience a variety of services in your community, even international, right? There's so many ways in which you can do that. When you go shopping and they say, would you like to round up your, you know, your amount? The remainder will go towards X, Y and Z charity. If your child is there, well, regardless, but if your child is there, you set as an opportunity to engage a conversation and ask them. Ask them, turn it into a math question too. How much would this be? How much would this be? We have an opportunity to give $1, $3, $5, you choose. Right, right. I think that's super cool. And I think that that's what I keep hearing you say and I really appreciate this is that it's a very subtle, but fully engaged kind of process.  It's a continual cadence. I think, yes. That's so important. Because I do think we see a lot of volunteerism seasonally, right? And this is giving fourth quarter for most organizations. That's when, you know, congregations are pushing a philanthropic activity, you know, families are pushing a philanthropic activity, but I really want to challenge you to find other opportunities throughout the year. Interesting, I love that. Okay, now another thing that you talked about, which is really, I think, something that we're starting to hear more and more about from our guests is attending multi-generational donor events.  I think it's very interesting. It is interesting. And again, I'm going to speak like directly from the heart. I am a single mom. The last thing I want to do on the days when I have my son is hire a babysitter, a nanny, or a friend to come in and care for him. I want to attend events and take my child with me. Again, I know we can't go to all the events. There are some that are just not conducive, but if you do have a black tie gala, I highly recommend that you also have an opportunity to engage multi-generation supporters, right? It could be a walk. When I was working in Charleston, South Carolina, we did a beautiful oyster roast out on the water. I mean, it was, you know, you couldn't have picked a better venue for this. There's dolphins, you know, in the background. There's oysters on this big table. We're drinking craft beer out of mason jars. And we partnered with the local aquarium, right? Why? Because we had children at this event. It was a little bit of entertainment for the children, right, to keep them actively engaged. And so that was just an opportunity. So it was a two-fold benefit. I will say one fold that the, you know, one organization received the money, but two fold by way of education. So everyone at the event, whether they had children there or not, also got to engage with reptiles, with other animals that the aquarium brought. And it was really cool. Yeah, I think that's genius. And I think that, you know, we're gonna have this, we've been talking about the millennials and the impact of millennials now in this childbearing years. This is only, demand is only gonna go up for things that include that next generation. I mean, it's here. I have another great example. And I'm looking at our time and I'm like, you know, I think I have time to share this example. There was a, like a boxing in my local community, there was a boxing, I don't know what it's called, like a display, right? So we had someone from city council learn to box and then he competed against someone that was like a true boxer from this boxing gym, okay? And it was a charitable event. They absolutely had paddle raises, right? But we sat around the ring. It was really cool. I made sure to get the front row seat. I had my son on my lap. He was much younger than 10 at that point. And the, but the gym really is for after school opportunities to at-risk children. So they use their vehicle of programming was boxing, right? And so they use this opportunity to really share, you know, what their gym does, how they impact at-risk youth. And I went in and I told my son, this is a fundraising opportunity. We will have an invitation to give if we are so called to give. Here's our budget that I'm comfortable with. I gave him a dollar amount. And when they ask us, they will ask the audience. And this was like, brand new to him. When they ask the audience and you feel drawn to raise our paddle within this limit, right? I didn't go, here's my credit card, son. No more allowance for you ever. But I gave him a budget. So again, this is financial literacy coming into play as well. And so when they started doing the paddle raise and I was like, whenever you feel it and it was so cool to see him like, you know, do his paddle. And I was like, you see that kid right there? And he's like, yeah. And I said, you just supported that kid for two weeks at camp. And he was like, just amazed, amazed. And so to demonstrate that, and he understood that it wasn't he was going to camp or that we were signing him up for boxing, right? He knew that we were supporting another child that maybe didn't have the means to, you know, to either continue or whatnot. So those are a couple of different opportunities that you might, you know, you might be able to swing for your organization. I love it. You know, part of that you mentioned the budget or the allowance. And I find this is a really interesting thing for you to share with us is establishing a giving allowance. Yeah. What does that look like? Oh my gosh. Well, it's looked a couple of different ways. I've done my best to bribe him and a lot of things, right? Whether it's cleaning up, cleaning up around the house.  And so I remember when he was probably six and it was again, my heart, you know, just got so huge. And it was a moment of pride for me. He took a shoebox and he cut holes into the shoebox, right? And he named it. Spending money, play money, right? Saving money, charity. And I'm like, done. My parenting role is accomplished. That's awesome. Every time he earned allowance, he then knew he had to put something in each one of those three slots. So again, back to establishing a giving allowance. Even now, the older he gets, right? He wants to earn money. And I say, well, what will you be putting this money towards? Just to, again, like reiterate the fact that this doesn't mean we're going to buy tons of Pokemon cards. This doesn't mean we're yet, which yes, Pokemon cards are back in, who knew? We're not putting it all in your PlayStation 4 or 5 game, right? Like we are also going to make a social impact. I mean, he gets to choose that. And so for me, I do thirds, but again, it's a, you know, it's a conversation to talk about budgeting and financial literacy. And I think too, as an organization, so putting on my organization hat, if you were to say, you know, five packs of crayons and maybe that's, I don't know, depending on when you get it, maybe you can get up for 50 cents, right? What would that also do? How would that support the agency or the community by way of money, right? So what does that look like? And if you as an organization can help demonstrate that even at a small, you know, increment small philanthropic investment, that will help you engage your future philanthropist. You know, I think about like giving circles and giving societies. And, you know, we have this whole concept of the grandma gift.  I wonder if it might be something interesting to explore is like a children's giving society whereby, you know, grandparents or families or whatever, but I would suspect it would be the grandparents that would be buying these or making these commitments where they make a certain commitment annually on behalf of their grandchildren because we keep seeing more and more grandparents saying, you know, I want to, I miss my opportunity with my children, but I can get at the grandkids. And I don't know if that's just always a multi-gen issue, but this whole piece of how we connect the grandparents to grandchildren onto our organizations, it seems to me like it's just an untapped resource, you know. Well, you know, that's interesting.  This cow will feed the village, you know, it'll provide milk, all these things. And so instead of or in lieu of, you know, gifts for certain occasions or seasonal holidays, that gift may be made in your name. I recently bought a donkey, right?  And I let my son name the donkey, you know. So little things like that. I know I certainly don't need more things in our house. I don't need more stuffed animals and bats. I mean, would love to donate to these initiatives, but I don't need something to bring back with me. So, you know, what else is out there for us to use this as an educational opportunity and continue to plant those seeds of philanthropy? All right, we have a viewer that's written in, Beth. We created volunteer roles specifically for kids, middle school and high school aged at our annual signature event for both children of adult event volunteers and for other kids. Some even got student service learning credit from their schools. Love it. Yes, I think that's great. Yeah, I think that's really smart. Then can I think, you know, again, to be mindful of the age of the child, not for your specific scenario, but I was, you know, a din leader for my son's Boy Scouts. And so, you know, we would do an event and I would see after a while, they petered out with their, you know, interest. They started doing whatever else, you know, they do ninja fights and things like that. It's like, okay, maybe just a 45 minute section or 45 minute session, rather, of a philanthropic event or volunteerism engagement is more conducive and just really pair that with the age. I think that's really important. I think that's extremely wise. And I would think too, you know, it's going to take some of our organizations, some, as I would like to say, creative stretch to come up with how you can design an event or volunteer engagement piece that is conducive for children. Yes, I have one more story I'll tell. So we were packing hygiene kits for individuals experiencing homelessness. I had a soccer team come in, it was a girls team and they were young adults. So they were, I don't know, 12 to 15, I think, right? And we were packing family kits. So we were putting in toothbrushes, shampoos, luthas, right? Well, it dawned on her that we put in a children's toothbrush. And she said, why are we putting in a children's toothbrush? Is that because there's homeless kids? Wow. And yes, and I said, yes, yeah, I know. Yes, there are. And I told the, you know, again, so as you're leading these groups, be mindful of the age, be mindful of how you can share and how much you can share. And again, very developmentally appropriate. But I went to the person in charge with the team and I said, this question came up. Would you like to answer it? Would you like for me to answer it? How would you like to address this with your group?  And for her to experience that, and I mean, I saw it head to toe. She's like, does that mean? And I'm like, who does?  You know, I mean, that's just incredibly powerful. And I agree with you. And I love having this conversation, Jarrett, because not only is this the next wave of our donor base and we've been talking about this, this massive amount of wealth that's being transferred to these next generations. And if we are not cultivating this as a society and as, you know, our agencies, we're obviously missing out. And so incredibly important. And it doesn't take much, right? It doesn't take much. Yeah, yeah, I think it's really interesting. I also encourage any of you that are watching, we're gonna be continuing to have these types of discussions because we do see the changing demographic of our donors. I mean, it's in play right now. And so organizations that are trying and doing new things, let us know and we'll share them with our viewers because this is such a call, you know, the same thing is not working. And from the pandemic on, we've seen that. And so the opportunity for trying something new like this, Jarrett, is there.  Meaning we are losing physically, losing our donors. And we don't have a new constituency base coming in. And so we talked then in that era about bringing in like a young board of directors, a young, you know, some kind of advocacy group. That is great, right? And I want you to do that. But I also want you to think like future down the age chain because there are so many opportunities. Engage with your National Charity League. Engage with some of these, you know, organizations. There's one for boys and their moms. And I cannot think of it because my son's not quite at that age. But there is an equivalent National Charity League for young boys and their mothers. So engage in these opportunities in your community. Again, they're national, right? So there are opportunities for each and every one of you to really tap into a younger opportunity of engagement. Yeah, absolutely. Well, this has been amazing. Hard to believe that we are out of time. And I want to thank everyone for joining us. Again, I'm Julia Patrick, CEO of the American Nonprofit Academy. Been joined by my nonprofit nerd, your nonprofit nerd, the nonprofit nerd, Jarrett Ransom, CEO of the Raven Group. Amazing information. Again, we want to thank all of our sponsors. And I see some new logos here. Exciting stuff. What does that mean? Fun-raising TV. Look at that. Fun-raising Events TV. It's so new, I said the wrong name. That's okay. Well, that is great. Yeah, we're really excited. We're going to be launching a second show in the first part of June. We're really excited. This is going to be a show that runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And of course, we can access it live or through our archives. And it's going to be dedicated specifically to fundraising events. Our co-host is going to be Jason Champion, who I've often called Jason Ramsey. We're not married and there's no relation. Oh my God, just in spirit. You're like spirit soul. Oh, yes, we are close colleagues, absolutely. So anyway, we'll be hearing more and more about that. We're very excited. Something that we've been working on for quite a while. And so I hope you'll be able to join us. Wow, a great, great way to kick off the week. Thank you, Sharon Ransom. Thank you for letting me nerd out over something that is so like such a passion of mine. Mother's Day is coming up. And again, as we talk about the rise in women philanthropy is now, I think we need to match that with how we show up for our family and not just our own family, but the community at large to model volunteerism and philanthropic activities to our young ones. I appreciate you raving that banner. And I think that it's exciting as we lead into the summer. This is a great time for nonprofits to experiment with things that involve kids that bind this concept of what we are doing across our communities, whether it be animal welfare to culture. I mean, there's so many things that we do that make our communities great. And it's even more important now than ever to get kids involved. So thank you, Jared, for bringing this up. Again, another great episode. I'm just so excited and energized to start my week with this topic in mind. Thank you for this masterclass. It's been amazing. As we like to end every show, we want to remind all of our viewers to stay well so you can do well.


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Remember RCA service company Trained factory technicians will install your RCA room air conditioner Adjusted service it get an RCA room air conditioner early this year Make sure you feel better this summer right at home Now the stars of the RCA Victor program Alice pay and Bill Harris Most parents try to give their children all the advantages They didn't have when they were children at times this results in the child acquiring a wrong sense of values Little Alice Harris is now going through that stage as we look in she's asking her parents to buy her something Father, I'm ten years old, and I'm not being unreasonable All I'm asking you for is a measly mink coat That's all huh you wouldn't settle for a stole would you? No, I want a full-length mink coat something that will keep me warm from top to bottom You keep this up.  Don't you daddy?  Well, I don't think it's ridiculous you have one mommy, but I didn't get it when I was 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 Hold it Clyde. Where do you think you're going? I was only trying to prove a point Well prove it with your age not mine As I was saying Alice, I didn't get my first fur coat until I was 23. That was almost two years ago Are you 25 already? It doesn't seem possible Time flies doesn't it? Not with you at the control Father do I get the mink coat or don't you don't so you might as well forget it Very well if you want me to go to school in a shabby condition It's up to you But there's one thing I need for school that I can't get along with that's different anything that will help you in school We'll get you What do you want a chauffeur to drive me there? I'm tired of going on the school bus well ain't that just too bad You realize that when I was your age, we didn't have no school bus. Why wasn't the automobile invented yet? Honey the wheel wasn't even invented now that we're even on the age jokes. I'll go on As I was saying when I was your age, we lived in the backwoods The first day I went to school my father put down his jug and said Son the school house is down the road a piece about three miles And you're gonna have to walk it every day for eight years and you're bare feet Didn't that hurt your feet? I wouldn't know I never went If you never went to school, how did you learn to read and write?  Well, please don't I got a special version for children It's very tender and mild Never mind Alice you're not getting a chauffeur Well, maybe I can struggle along without a mink coat or a chauffeur, but there's one thing I simply must have This is for my health. Well, that's different anything you need for your health. You can have what do you need a swimming pool? Well this kid's got to get some sleep What do you get all those ideas I ain't building those swimming pool just for you why not?  He couldn't get you out of the pool room You're reaching kid You know honey, I think a swimming pool would be a real good idea It would be beneficial for the children and we'd enjoy it too. Oh now. I got two gold diggers working on regular and Kingside Phil I like the idea of a pool then you pay for building it. I can't afford it. Oh come now, Myrtle Let's keep this believable You've got more money in one sock than the California bank has in all its branches Honey, you're the head of the family and it's up to you to pay for the swimming pool you have enough money I have enough money What makes you think that I I'll get that What's the matter with this family? They seem to think that I'm made of money Hi a curling. Ah, hello Elliot. Come on in What's my are you? That's my family My wife and daughter have an idea that I'm loaded. Well, don't breathe in their direction. They will not There's another kind of loaded my family thinks I'm loaded with money They want me to build a swimming pool. Why don't you because it cost a lot of money? It doesn't have to What do you mean? We can build it ourselves What was that for this is a dragnet plot if I ever heard Build our own get away from no curly. That's a cinch with me helping. We'll have it finished in no time I'm very good at digging holes in the ground. Well, who is it the mall? I Talking about I asked you who it was. Oh Alice.  I ain't buying the kids no pool How can you be such a cheap father? Nothing's too good for your children. Every kid needs a pool keep some off the street and keep some clean at the same time Keep telling you it's very expensive. It costs a lot of money Hey curly, then I got an idea if the kids want a swimming pool and you don't want to spend the money Why don't you get him a waiting pool? Oh, you mean one of those collapsible jobs that you blow up? Yeah Hey, that's a great idea them things don't cost much. Where do we go to buy one to Grogan's war surplus store? He's got some very good merchandise. Let's go over and see him. Okay. We'll go over and see hey Alice I'm going out and get the kids a pool. It's almost lunchtime Phil so hurry back Don't worry. I'll be back before you can open a can of tuna fish and sing two courses of it's the lovely Oh Why don't we go walking tonight while the moon is shining do lovely life you can tell at a glance It's a night for romance The night is long the skies are clear and if you want to go walking here. It's delightful. It's delicious It's lovely I Understand the reason why your sentimental cuz so am I it's delightful. It's delicious. It's the lovely You can tell What a swell night. This is for romance you can hear dear mother nature murmuring Let yourself go. So please be sweet my And when I kiss you just say to me, it's delightful. It's delicious It's delectable. It's delirious. It's the lima. It's the lima. It's deluxe. It's the lovely It's delightful. It's delicious. It's delectable. It's delirious and the night is young the skies are clear And if you want to go walking here. It's delightful. It's delicious. It's the lovely I Understand the reason why you're sentimental cuz so am I it's delightful. It's delicious. It's the lovely You can tell What a swell night. This is for romance you can hear dear mother nature murmuring Oh, let yourself go.  It's delicious. It's delectable. It's delirious. It's the lima. It's the lima. It's deluxe. It's the lovely Like Grogan's war surplus store. He's got everything from the army and Navy. He certainly has man He's got a lot of good bargains in here, too Look at that price list up there Army blankets $2 Cots $4 Discharge papers $1 This honorable discharges two for a quarter There's an excellent buy six hour passes 75 cents This is a buy Just imagine only 75 cents for a six hour pass and I throw in four live phone numbers Each and every one of these numbers has been approved by the Chamber of Commons All right, all right. Oh, it's you Harris. What are you doing in my store, Grogan? I'd like to buy something from your war surplus stuff. Well, you have come to the right place. I Handled some of the best war surplus much a nice in the country now Would you be interested in a sawed-off shotgun or? Perhaps a black limousine fully equipped with armor plate and bulletproof windows and revolving tummy-gun turrets This is war surplus stuff. Yeah, yeah left over from a gang war in Chicago. I Don't believe that's what I want well then kids You just don't have to buy it because I got a lot of other stuff just come over here And I'll show you what I got. I don't care what you got.  You're gonna take what I got Now here is something that you ought to love Slightly used whack uniform It's only a hundred and ten dollars A hundred and ten dollars for a whack uniform. Yeah, that's a lot of money I know a place that sells them cheaper with the whack still in it Brogan I just came in to buy one of those rubber waiting pools.  Don't be a wise parole Who ain't for me. It's for my kids. Well in that case I got just the thing for you Here it is a collapsible life raft that the Navy used to use for lantern operations It's oversized will make a great pool for the kids. Hey, yeah, that's just what I want I'll take it good. It's right over there all rolled up. Hey, it's a pretty heavy It'll take the two of you guys to carry. Oh, we'll manage. Oh, wait a minute. By the way, uh, how do we Inflate this thing. Well, I'll sell you take a compressed air Better give you a large tank. You know this thing takes a lot of air. Yeah. Hey, that's well look I'll take the whole works. How much do I owe you? Oh, don't worry about that now I'll come over to your house some night and pick up the money. What night did you be over? We may not be home. It's better that way Just leave the second story window open and I'll take part luck Oh Boy, it's good to get home. I didn't realize a rubber pool could be so heavy. Hey, Curly I can't hold this thing much longer. Where do you want to put it? Just Just drop it on the floor here for the time being Well, it's about time you got back and Phil Phil, what's that untidy mess in the middle of the floor? That's Elliot. I Mean the other untidy mess Why do you people keep picking on me? I'm a lovable chap. I'm nice to my mother I even go up to the attic and feed my aunt once in a while Yes, sweet kid Hey Alice, this is the rubber pool we bought we got it at Grogans. Oh, you picked a good boy If that thing holds there, it'll be a miracle. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going in to make lunch. Okay, honey Hey, Elliot, you know something I think Alice is right You know, you can't always depend on things that that Grogans sells you Maybe maybe we should have tested it first. Let's test it now Hand me that hose from the compressed air tank and I'll attach it to the pool valve Do you think we ought to do this here in the living room? Why not?  Hey, it's starting There's kind of weak, but now you got it. That's it. Turn it up. All right. Hey, it's working out. This thing holds air All right. Oh, yeah, it's starting to get bigger. Yeah. Hey, that's enough. Turn it off. Okay Curly what's the matter? The valve stuck I can't turn it off. Well, you've got to turn it off. It's getting bigger. It's starting to come Now it's not the chair over there goes the table Now it's going for the piano It's got it. It's don't play very well You've got to stop this thing. It's not gonna furniture all over the place I'm trying to stop it, but I can't this monster's filling up the whole room I made you a nice Pushed your right back in the kitchen Tuna fish cold bottle and all stop it. She says it's got me pinned to the wall I can't live my alley. Will you do something? Elliot, where are you right here in the fireplace? Will you stop and do something this thing is ruining our living room? Don't worry about a curly Can't hold much more air gonna blow up any minute. Oh, no, if this thing blows up with all that air in it There's gonna be an awful explosion You think maybe it could be oh well here today and gone tomorrow Yeah, but he didn't even wait till tomorrow Hadn't in here. What was that horrible? Oh, no, look at my living room Phil I want you and Elliot to clean up this mess before I get back Where are you going back into the kitchen to finish making your lunch? I have to scrape your tuna fish sandwich off the wall Well, I guess we can start by throwing that swimming pool away, it's probably ruined not isn't curling I was just looking at it. It just blew out in one spot. We can put a blowout patch on it It'll be as good as new good cuz I got some blowout patches in the garage. Come on. Let's go and fix this Well, here we are curly it's all fixed you said it did a good job, too Didn't we yeah, we covered the blowout completely and that patch looks good and strong as new that'll never come on Now let's little air in it test it again. Okay, Elliot in the living room again This time you don't have to worry I fixed the valve.   Look at that blister. It's getting bigger now It ain't gonna take much more air Well, he's had a few hours before trip. He's ready to solo Mine just keeps scraping the toner might as well give up Elliot that pool has got to be ruined now No, it ain't curly. It was just a blowout patch that blew off we can fix that that can be painful bones in the back Are very delicate we weren't shooting at you we're trying to inflate this swimming pool in the blowout patch blew off Well, no one eyes it you know how to vocalize it. Yeah, I got a kid out in the truck Hey, you have a look I'll make a deal with you kid you help us fix it And I'll pay you okay a curly the gauge on the tank says empty We haven't got any more air left well It's just as well the valve on the tank is broken anyway Well, how are we gonna inflate the pool? I'll go out and get another tank with a good bow Oh, all right now you stay here and help Julius vulcanize and I'll go get another tank of air Yeah, I got another tank air. How'd you guys make out with the patch? Well, as long as we got everything Let's test it Elliot. Hmm You think we ought to go through this thing again Just once more for laughs Anyway, we got nothing to worry about now we got a new tank and the valve won't stick Yeah, I guess you're right only this time you and I are gonna keep our eyes on this tank gauge, right now When it gets up to 20 pounds, we're gonna shut it off. Now. It's just to test it. Yeah, okay. I'll connect it Hey Julius.  You know Julius Okay, turn around here Turn it on right. Yeah. Hey, it's going in good Two pounds in there already Four pounds There's a better tank than the other You get it a Grogans. No, no, I didn't have to go all the way down there. I Passed the playground and some guy there had one playground What's he doing with it? He was using it to blow up toy balloons Nice guys He gave it to me cheap who is he curly? I don't know Wait a minute. I saw his name on that tank someplace. Oh There it is He Liam Curly that's pronounced helium helium.  No, he is up on the ceiling pool and all Reach it to let the air out of the pool. I got it curly. I'll throw this knife up. That'll puncture it Watch it Julius. She'll be coming down in a minute. Here it comes Soon as he stops bounce in just a moment Whatever your mood, there's music to match it in these new RCA Victor record albums There's music for relaxing for dining for reading And there's music for romancing to played by the orchestras of Henry Rene and Hugo Winterhalter It's mood music Recorded on RCA Victor's wonderful new 45 extended play records and because these new 45 extended play records Give you double the music for less money. 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Hey, John Crestani here. And I've been able to build a business that does $7 million a year with zero employees. Just myself and the way I've been doing able to do that is being extremely productive. And I'm going to be talking about some of lessons from the success mindset right now. And this lesson is about creating a budget for your business and how to do that. I'm going to give you practical examples of what I've been using in my own business to help you do the same in yours. Now, even if you don't have a business, if you don't have any money, even if you don't have any income from your business, this is going to be important. So, stay tuned, watch along and let's become successful together. Okay. So, creating a business budget is very important when you're starting a business. And there's two main factors that are going to help you out here. Now, why create a budget? A lot of people, when they're starting off in business, I'm assuming the majority of you watching right now are just thinking to yourself, what's just this thing I can do on the internet that'll just make me lots of money? That isn't necessarily going to work. You really need to, if you haven't watched my previous videos on becoming successful, you really need to envelop it with goals. You need to have a specific outcome. You need to measure yourself. You need to have measurable actions that you can do each day. And the same goes for not just how you spend your time, but how you spend your money. Now, if your business budget is, let's say it's $5, it needs to be specific. And it also needs to be time constrained. You have $5 a month to spend. Put the money out there, okay? Make sure, write it down. Because what happens, and I've seen this all the time is people say, I have $5,000 in my bank account and I'll spend it if the right opportunity comes along. The issue with this is you'll get cold feet or you'll say, okay, I have $5 a month to spend and you'll spend maybe a dollar in advertiser. But you won't get any results and you'll say, oh, I'm jumping out of this. Don't do that because you don't give yourself a chance to succeed. Now, what I've done is I'll use TV ads as my example here. Now, when I was starting TV ads, for instance, I gave myself a budget of $5,000 per week that I was willing to spend. Now, obviously, maybe that's different from what your budget is. That was my budget for testing out TV ads.  I was going to spend $5,000 every single week until I got profitable. Now, the natural inclination with advertising is to say, I'm going to spend $5,000, but if I don't get good results, I'm going to spend less than that, right? Wrong. You want to have a budget set up for yourself if you pursue advertising. Set a budget, $50 a week. Maybe it's $5 a day. Maybe it's $1,000 a month. Whatever your budget is, write it down. Set it. Hit it every single month and you can time constrain it even more.  And if it doesn't work out, you stop advertising. But you have six months in which you're going to be doing this activity, trying to make a business work. I found that six months is a good barometer for figuring out to give yourself that window where you can actually succeed in a business, but also be able to figure out if the business is just not meant for you. Because not every business is meant for everybody. But if you don't give yourself six months to try something out and work your way through the obstacles, then really you have very low chances of succeeding. What normal people do and what I used to do when I was in college was I would start a business and then it, you know, maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't, oftentimes it wouldn't. Then I'd go to something else the next month. And then each month I was running a new business. And I never gave myself a chance to succeed at any one of them. Because in college, I was just trying everything, but succeeding at nothing. Now, where I actually became successful was when I locked down on one thing, such as affiliate marketing, and I just zeroed in on a single business and worked at it for, I don't know, it was like two years. I was trying to get this to work, to get affiliate marketing to work. Where I could spend $1 and make back two or three. But it takes time. So give yourself the budget. Understand that success is a process. That marketing is not an instant gratification thing. That becoming an entrepreneur is not instant. It's a part of a process that you go through. And time constriction helps ease yourself because that fear of losing whatever your $50 budget a week is or a $50 a month is. Fear of losing that money can be very overwhelming. But if you know you can stick to $50 a week of ad spend for the next six months, then it just becomes almost a rule. It becomes a job. It becomes a thing you have to continue on doing. It's not a choice anymore. It becomes much easier because you don't have to make that decision. You've already made the decision to do $50 a week in ad spend, no matter what. And that's another thing that comes back to is my YouTube channel. So when I started YouTube being, I made a commitment. At first I put up a lot of random videos. I just kind of shoot myself on my camera phone. I actually had a camera phone at the time. It has a camera, but it's a flip phone. It doesn't shoot very well. And I would just shoot random videos when I felt like it. When I was out on a run, whatever it was. Usually it was when I was on a run and I'd shoot myself a couple times a week, maybe once a week, maybe I'd miss some weeks. Whatever it was, I just shoot some videos. And I never saw any growth or traction on my YouTube channel. I made a New Year's resolution that I was going to shoot a video every single day of the week. Five days a week, I put up five videos a week, no matter what. I had to figure out how to do that. Now, some weeks it's been really difficult, honestly, to do that. I've made that commitment each year since then. January 1st, 2019 is when I started my YouTube channel. When I made the commitment. And I made that commitment again this year. It's been really difficult because oftentimes I don't know what to say anymore. Every video on affiliate marketing I've already talked about. I've talked about every single ad net. I've talked about 5,000 ways of doing affiliate marketing. It actually gets kind of frustrating because I started measuring how many people actually listen to the advice in my videos and actually take action. And I realized it's only about 1%. And that's kind of frustrating, you know? 99% of people don't actually do anything based off of my videos. And then there's a lot of nasty comments and all sorts of stuff. And sometimes it gets hard. Sometimes I just have so much work in my normal business because this is not a big income source for me. Sometimes I have so much work in my normal business that I have zero time to shoot videos for YouTube. Sometimes I have personal situations or emergencies or, you know, family things. Or, you know, I get invited to go to some great party or some trip or to play in the pool with my kids or whatever it is. And I just don't feel like making videos. I just feel like skipping a week of videos, right? But I made a commitment. And when you make a commitment to do something and you make it specific and you make it time constrained, almost like a budget. I'm going to put out five videos a week and you have to follow it. And that's part of business is discipline. Follow a budget. And the big problem with discipline right now is actually smartphones. Smartphones are the worst thing for discipline ever. I have another video about getting off of your smartphone. Phone addiction is the biggest killer of entrepreneurs. But that's what I have for today. Again, if you're getting into marketing and advertising, especially affiliate marketing and online advertising, which is what I do and my students do, set a budget for yourself that you're comfortable with and give yourself a time period to go through it. If you haven't already, I suggest you join my super affiliate system course. There should be links down in the description. We recently re-released it. We completely overhauled everything, everything's new as of last week. We now include a lot of software in it. So it's a combination of software and training. So what used to take folks about eight hours to launch an ad campaign? We've taken that whole process down to about 20 minutes. That is because we are now giving you your guaranteed acceptance into DigiStore and ClickBank, which are large affiliate networks that pay out about $700 some million dollars per year. Also, you are given a domain when you join super affiliate system, a free domain from us, free web hosting so you don't have to pay anything additional for a website or hosting or any of that stuff. You don't need to know anything about that stuff. We give you a free web page builder that's similar to ClickFunnels, except the problem with ClickFunnels is that it still requires you to fill in the blanks and to understand how to put a link in and to have marketing expertise. You don't have to have any of that when you join super affiliate system. We literally give you the top performing landing page templates for the top products on these affiliate networks that pay out $700 million dollars a year. And we give you top performing ads and we make it very simple to post those ads so you don't even need to know your way around the Google and Facebook interface. You just click post. Now, that being said, it sounds super simple and it is, but what we teach inside my program is how to get better at it. While the setup process has been taken down from about eight hours to 10, 20 minutes to actually launch an affiliate campaign, we teach and a lot of the training revolves around learning how to write better ads, learning how to find, create better landing pages, how to do better research and data analysis so you can really become a marketer, a successful affiliate marketer. So hope you enjoy that. Check the links below in the description. If you enjoy these videos, these videos are not made for the YouTube algorithm. So if you're seeing these, you are very special. And please support this video with a like, a subscribe and comment. Let me know how this was helpful or just let me know where you're coming from in the world. Thanks. Bye.