Welcome to the drum history podcast. I am your host Bart van der Zee and I am joined today by William F. Ludwig the third Bill, how are you? Good part? How's it going? Good. Thank you so much for being here. I can't tell you how excited I am I feel like I'm talking to a to drum royalty here. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me and Hello to all your listeners out there. Hope everybody had a great holiday. Awesome Why don't we just go ahead and Without further ado hop into the history of Ludwig and run through that and then we'll end up with what you're doing today Which is WFL three drums, which are from what I've heard amazing And I'm excited to try them out here in the next couple months And then we're gonna finish up with some listener submitted questions, which is a new kind of Subject we're doing on drum history. So I think that'll be a lot of fun. Great. Awesome. Perfect. So I'll let you take it away So how did it all begin? My grandfather was a percussionist in playing drums in the circus and Even to back up further than that when his parents moved to the United States from Germany his father was a violinist and his mother was a singer and His father wanted him to play violin and he was adamant about after seeing a Parade and the drummers he said I want to be a drummer and I'm so thankful for that because I Know I wouldn't be good at violin. Yeah See me with a violin. No, but nothing against violinist. I'm sorry, but at any rate so he he played drums for the circus and As a touring drummer and there were horse-drawn carriages at the time that's how long ago it was and During the off-season in which was the winter He ended up in Chicago getting a gig with a vaudeville act and being that the music was More up-tempo the bass drum pedal he had just wasn't cutting it and we have one of his base original bass drum pedals, which was I Don't know maybe 16 inches long wood footboard with a huge 14 or 16 inch high beater all wood very slow very clumsy and Not portable so he developed his own bass drum pedal in the garage and All of a sudden he started using that at gigs and it was small Fold it up went in your pocket and people were just freaking out go. Where did you get that? Well, I made it. Oh, I'll make me one So that's how he started and then his brother Theobald was a drummer also and they together Grew from the garage to an actual little drum shop mainly doing drum repairs and Helping people fix strainers and little things like that and making bass drum pedals. So that's how it all started and then he Got another gig down the road with an opera and Playing timpani and they were hand tuned timpani at the time which he thought boy, this is a drag I wish I could do this with my feet and he developed the foot tuned Timpani which is still, you know, one of the best action foot-tuned actions out there now and He just made things for himself out of necessity and then eventually other drummers would come to him and tell that tell him What they needed? Which is how it grew into the sound effects you were mentioning earlier Drummers there's like two or three drummers at a silent movie behind the screen Playing all the sound effects to go along with the movie that they're watching from behind So the train goes by they make a train sound the boat goes by they do a boat whistle and All these drummers were coming to my grandfather going You know, I need this I need that and it's what he started making them and pretty soon He had I don't know. I hit five or six pages of the catalog devoted to the sound effects and all you know three different levels of boat whistles three different kinds of train whistles and Gunshot machine and rooster crow and duck call and all these crazy things to go with the silent movies and That was to me that that was just interesting and Fun to see and work with some of those those items Yeah, those are I I talked about it in the first episode But it's just amazing how real they sounded and how much thought was put into each one to sound like a horse And to sound like the train and they're beautiful handcrafted instruments. Yes. Yes, and it's and as you say how did you come up with an idea of I need something to sound like a train going by and It's just unbelievable how he came up with those things and they still work today Yeah, and I use them I do a history of percussion clinic and I use them from the 1930s still That that's interesting to me. Yeah, they don't they don't make them like they used to I guess because Stuff doesn't last that long So, yeah, so after the that that period in the in the 20s Yeah, why don't you pick it up from there? What's going on at that time? well, that that's really an interesting question because To skip ahead and then I'll go back to that. I was working At Ludwig from company with my father in my early 20s or I guess mid 20s And they came out with the lindrum machine. Yeah, and I Went into my dad's office and I said, oh my god. This is awful. They've got this computer To do drumming now for studio work and all these drummers are gonna be out of work and it's gonna crush us And he said, well, no, it won't it happened before and it'll come it'll change and everything will swing back to regular acoustic drums What do you mean it happened before? Well, apparently when they came out with talking movies every drummer was out of work the next day Because the theater owners were just like, oh, no, we don't need you. We have talking movies now so my grandfather panicked and along with the Depression looming depression and talking movies my grandfather sold the business To con we at the time own Leedy drum company and they wanted to team up Their theory was if they teamed up Ludwig with the Leedy it would help boost the Leedy sales or their drum sales in general and so he went ahead and sold to them and started working for them and they were in Elkhart, Indiana and They Over the years couple of years he didn't wasn't getting along with them. They weren't doing new product development the way he thought it should be done They weren't doing a lot of things the way he thought it should be done So that's what triggered him to say I'm out of here. I'm going back to Chicago and starting my own drum company again And their response to that was well, it's nice, but we own your name And he said fine. I'll use my initials. So that's how WFL from company came about and he was very smart to put Very small underneath the logo William F. Ludwig president So everybody immediately knew oh Ludwig and they associated the Ludwig name and products with quality and Good customer service. So that's how he Rebuilt the company and in those early days To what it became as the largest most famous name on drums. Yeah, that's fascinating because I know with What I've heard from Khan is that they just didn't really care They wanted to make money off of Ludwig and Leedy Right and as Rob Cook said they just called it the the sawdust factory. They didn't refer they didn't care about it It just it wasn't anything so yeah, yeah, well, and then that type of Accounting mentality numbers only, you know trickles down to the product to the image of the company and the way customers were treated and You know the music business is different musicians are Different breed then somebody buying a car or some other item, you know, it's just Yeah, it has to be treated differently. Yeah, exactly. It's It's just something special and people there's there's other drum companies you can buy So I know I'm personally really brand loyal and I feel a connection My first real drum set was Ludwig So I feel a connection to Ludwig and I think I think a lot of people do it just has this Gives you a certain kind of feeling Yeah, well we did we did when what was family on yeah, and I'll just leave it at that that whole con percussion division was going down and They weren't doing a lot to keep it alive. So WFL drum company just started to take off and You know as I said people were people knew it was my grandfather So that got a lot of attention and a lot of drummers coming back to him and they you know, he started in a small Rented shop in Chicago and all of a sudden grew to another floor of the building and all of a sudden bought the building and Next thing, you know, we were you know just expanding like in leaps and bounds. It was unbelievable That's finally occupied the whole city block Wow Yeah, so to start Like that to start over in a basement type rental shop with money borrowed from his friends and at his wife and You know anybody he could just to get going to Become the biggest drum company in the world is pretty amazing. It is. I mean, that's just a it's kind of the underdog story So, so how did he get the name back? Why don't we pick it up there? Well in 1955 I believe The con company had just officially shut down all percussion Manufacturing a little before 1955 and then in 1955 like my father I was born and my father thought well, you know what if we could get our name back and go back to Ludwig drum company Then that would just cement our future So dad went ahead and had a meeting with con and bought the name back And then with at the time We were you know really expanding and I think we bought Musser mallet company and then a case company so We changed it from Ludwig drum company to Ludwig industries just as the No, main company with Divisions under it. Yeah, the kind of parent company. I didn't know that I didn't know yet a case company about Musser, but not the The cases. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we we bought a case company Shishler Okay, it's called that's sch Shishler They were Chicago based company and we bought them and moved them into our into another Shop we had and took their employees. So we kept the same quality and same manufacturing processes and And so then we were full service. We made our we were the only company that made our own hardware Shell sticks heads cases Everything was made on Daman Avenue. The only thing that wasn't done there was the chrome plating Wow one-stop shop. That was my grandfather's You know the the German mentality of to do something right do it yourself. Yeah And that way we can control our quality and keep an eye on everything So now we're about the mid fifties and you have got the name back. So everything is going great It they're now Ludwig drums. There's some subsidiary companies like the cases and Muster percussion instruments. So then we get into the 1960s, which obviously was a massive time of change in In music across the world Yes, and at the time, you know, we were we had quite a few of the top jazz artists around and knew that the power of endorsements Was so strong So when rock and roll started to evolve We were going after that market and then You know the next thing, you know that small band from England hit the Ed Sullivan show. What was your name? Beatles yeah, some of the beat and Yeah, and Ringo, you know saw this new finish we had and black oyster pearl and said oh I've got to have that thing that word was only Ludwig made that and so I want to play an American made product anyhow and So he bought his first black oyster kit the next thing, you know, they run at Sullivan man And then everything changes from there. Oh the next day the next day a change I mean it was I was in fourth grade Sitting on mom and dad's learning floor watching the show and I thought wow Our name keeps popping up everywhere. I mean every shot of of John or Paul Or George and he had the lovely logo behind him, you know It was just so the next day our phones were ringing off the hook the customer service phones were Everybody all the dealers saying and customers saying, you know, I want to buy a wrinkle kit and the customer service people are saying And my father's like just shut up and write the order just write their name down. Yeah, and I got all It was and then we grew to The demand was so high. We went to 24 hours a day six days a week Wow cranking a lot of drums out the door at that point, I mean You know 24 hour production and we were still like nine months behind on the black oyster pearl my god Wow What did one of those drum? What did one like cost at that point? Do you remember? No, I think I'd say around $700-$800. Yeah, that's about I mean at that point I'm both stands and two simple stands a hi-hat the bass drum pedal and the drums. Wow, that's amazing I mean the the the image of you sitting there in your family. I mean, was it just like I Guess at the moment you're watching it. You didn't really realize how Huge that is until the next day when when you're just no, it's just going crazy I had no idea and then I really had no idea until dad came home that night said Wow, we got a lot of orders for that ringo from there, you know ringo guy black oyster pearl. I Thought okay, that's cool. I stood didn't really you know, it's in fourth grade. I didn't think about it that much but but I was actually started working in the factory shortly after that and I Think it was in the fourth grade fourth grade year and dad said, you know, I want to come down on Saturdays and and open mail and you know After so I would open this huge pile of mail and stamp it received with the date and then put You know try to separate them from customer to dealer piles And when I was done with that my pay was I got to play with the switchboard Which at the time was the old-fashioned with the cords that came out and you're plugged in and lights and switches and The headset and I thought that was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. That's funny. Yeah Well, that's I grew up. I literally grew up in the factory and then you know, I'd go down and play in the factory and then eventually started working there every summer in different departments and I Loved it.  Massive everyone knows Ludwig Well, we were already worldwide and we were already quite big but that just took us to a whole nother area, I mean just it was Like a rocket taken off. I mean it was just unbelievable and You know all of a sudden all of our displays at conventions Doubled in size and yeah, you know, we had to get more staff and more sales people and Larger warehousing facilities for raw materials and It was it was just unbelievable and when we did build the new factory the new addition after Ringo I'll never forget dad had the blueprint spread out again on the living room floor and bought a toy semi truck and said to me here Play with this and take it in and out of that entrance and then out the other side to make sure you can turn that corner and make sure it fits and So that's how we built the factory so we could pull a semi completely indoors out of the weather and Unload everything check the inventory and then the semi would continue out The other door and on its way man, and it was really a slick situation because you know dealing with wood and The pearl wraps and things like that. You don't want to be taking that out of a semi in a snowstorm No, and and or rain so that it was just perfect Wow, and are you in were you in Elkhart in this point in Indiana or were you guys back in Chicago? Oh, no when my grandfather left time he left Elkhart and back to Chicago Yeah, it seems like there's some bad bad feelings towards Elkhart from some drummers who were forced to go there. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah. Well, that's another story. But yeah But yeah, my grandfather started restarted On Damon at not far from Damon Avenue And then I think he moved a couple of blocks over to Damon Avenue when he started to expand and was at that address 1728 North Damon for you know since The early or late 40s, I guess or mid 40s Wow, and that's where I grew up basically You know and as and it was funny as we added as we grew we would take over a building next to us or Dirt will build another building and then attach them all with the walkways and Covered always that would fit a Forklift up and down it but they're all different heights of different ages and so you'd walk through one Part of the building in it's kind of leaning to the right and the next building is leaning a little to the left That's awesome, but but it was our place and it's It was quite a place to grow up. Yeah, I mean you were a You're one lucky guy to be to be in that family and I mean obviously I'm sure it wasn't with all of the the sales and up and down of People buying the company in the name and losing the name and getting the name. I'm sure it's not it's not all You know Ringo on the Ed Sullivan show and and there was a there was a whole, you know whole Unbelievable roster of endorsers that supported us In jazz and rock, you know, Joe Morello Yeah, buddy rich was with us a few times here came and went. Yeah You know way the Duke Roy Haynes Max Roach and then the rock guys came into it Carmine with vanilla fudge John bottom was that plan and Ginger Baker and it was just Unbelievable. Yeah, the the I just when people think of classic Drums like I was saying before I think it's Ludwig and it's not just Ringo like you just said There's a huge roster of people like I just on my Social media stuff posted a video of Alex Van Halen. Who's another long time? Ludwig guy, so it's just yeah, it's it's just so cool. So picking it up after Ringo Which is kind of the major, you know, the the peak the top of the mountain there What happened after that was it all smooth sailing for a little while? I mean you get you get into Zeppelin right after that with Bonham who is obviously many drummers favorite, you know Favorite guy. So yeah, what was it like after that? Well, it was it was still busy, you know, and there was struggles though. I mean with with that much increase in production You've got to watch the quality You know, we had a few glitches with quality, but You know, those are just normal business problems that pop up and But but we grow continue to grow another one of our Great endorsers was Roger Polk playing with Elton John Who was doing some incredibly big shows at that time? and It was just Exciting yeah, it's a lot of fun and a lot of excitement and a lot of work I worked a couple of summers and customer service and Boy, the phones just never stopped and looking back on those times now I just chuckled because there was no computers No, you know voice messages or answering machines. So you had to just Get somebody on the phone looking for an order and then you had to go out and find the order while they were on hold And it was Quite interesting. I mean nowadays with computers and everything like that. It would have been a lot simpler, but yeah, we made it work Yeah, really now you can just get on an order a Ludwig drum set from probably 500 different websites and it you know comes from a different store or this and that that's uh, yeah Yeah, that's pretty cool. So same with same with managing your inventory control I mean it would be so much simpler with a computer than a guy walking through a department once a week counting How many 14-inch shells we had left? Yeah, you know and Better get that count right and we're gonna be in trouble next week. Yeah a lot of room for error, obviously Which is kind of a limited now. Yeah, yeah Yeah, but but I enjoyed it I as I said I then during summers another job I had was dad sent me on the road with a couple of our salesmen for like two three weeks at a time and I would ride with them what we get its own dedicated sales force, which was huge and Going to a dealer's store and I would just observe and I'd be writing the order as the salesman did the talking and I learned an awful lot during those times and That was a lot of fun though too now I got to ask did you use the Famous like the salesman well, I forget the actual name But the finish that has the kind of rows of different Ludwig finishes on it Would they take that around with them and say hey, here's our sparkle finishes and here's all that? Well, that was a little before my time before I did that By the time I got involved in it. We they had real nice Like three inch by two inch rectangles of each finish on a key chain.  I always I love that I know people the the black keys drummer plays that finish are you still right? Yeah, right? Well, that's yeah, that was an interesting time. And then when we came out with Vista light, you know, that was another big addition to the line and Manufacturing challenges Yeah, I'm sure now were you guys the first I know fives had the acrylic stuff going on and around that time Or were you the first acrylic? Drum maker or was someone before you? Well, I'd say fives was before us and I think There might have been a couple of custom shops, but I'm pretty sure we were the first to do colored plastics and then Because my father we were both of us were always taking people on a tour of the factory and My dad would go through the Vista light department and see he'd be talking to people and and looking at this pile of scraps and Go man, it'd be great if we could use it somehow and that's when he came up with the idea. Don't be engineers Let's glue a couple of these pieces together and make the two-colored shell. Oh, yeah World in a swirl so our engineering department came up with that was the other cool thing about Ludwig If we had our own engineering department, which was huge Yeah, to be able to go in and sit with a couple of guys or I bring an endorser or his drum tech in and say He keeps breaking his hi-hat pedal, you know show him where it breaks and then they work on it and come out with a fix for that But the engineers developed the plastic molding or welding I mean so instead of glue it Actually this whatever material they came up with melted both seams of the plastic So it was like welding steel and it never, you know the drums that we did have break Never failed on the scene was always, you know, either somebody dropped it on a log Where somebody dropped something on the shell and it cracked somewhere else But never on the scene which that just blew my mind Yeah, I mean it's unbelievable. There's a Ludwig engineering department and a lot of those drums have held up Like you see beautiful this delights to this day and it's usually like you said user error where they got dropped or something like that Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, so this time went on I finally got in the company full-time after college and Started doing advertising for the company the catalogs and posters and flyers and things and then two weeks into that job Which is not what I studied in college. I studied industrial management and Industrial psychology to go into running the factory. Yeah, I thought I would be doing you knew what you were gonna like That's kind of nice.  I just need to get the right Knowledge to perform. Yeah right, and so I get out of college and Dad says, oh, I just fired the advertising manager. You're gonna do that And my jaw just hit the floor. I said but but but but I didn't study that Well, you'll learn. Yeah, so he takes me back to the advertising department with three people in it all season You know pros and you know, here's your new boss me right out of college. I'm like, hi And they said, you know, have you ever done a layup for an ad? No, oh god They're showing me things bit by bit I'm starting to trying to get a grip on it and like two weeks into that Dad walks back to my cubicle and says, oh, I just fired the artist relations manager. You're gonna do that, too At the same time. Wow. Yeah, and I think that's pretend what I said in more or less Different vocabulary, but I'm like, but I haven't even learned this job And I'll never forget my father walking out of the department waving over his shoulder Not turning around or anything. It just says you'll learn God, he trusts you. That's for sure. Well, and luckily, you know, I was a drummer I've been a drummer since age six and Played in some rock bands in high school and college and So I knew what drummers needed. I knew, you know, what was going on with with the rock and roll world So that that luckily put me in a good position to get to know all the artists right away. Say, you know After watching you play, why don't you try this stand? Why don't you try these heads and Making the proper recommendations and everybody grew to trust me and appreciate that input So we all of a sudden our artists became very loyal and dedicated and friends personal friends of mine and my father's and Again going back to the time there were no cell phones. No Texting no computers. So everybody had my home phone number So anything comes up, you know on the road call me anytime 24-7 and You know, there's a lot of times things came up where if I couldn't get a dealer local dealer to get the guy his parts or girl I would fly out Wow, get the part. Oh, yeah. Oh go. Yeah fly to the gig No luggage just fly to the gig run a car deliver the part spend the night fly home the next day In fact, if we have time there was a pretty funny story talking about this collides Michael's Rocher was playing with heart.  It was very very Big production So he played the John Bonham style kit, but white Vista light So about 10 o'clock in the morning. I get a call from his drum tech They dropped the dirt. They were loading the bass drum on the stage on a forklift and it slipped off and fell I don't know how many feet 40 feet or something. Oh my god shattered and shattered Not just cracked shattered.  I said, I'll see you before seven And I call my guy in the shop Felix who was my endorser right-hand man said Felix Drop what you're doing and make a 26 inch white Vista light from Mike Rocher right now and he goes You know, but what about you know this order or there's an order at that order. I'm like just just get this order done Right now. Oh my god that day. It was the same day thing. Wow Yeah, and they were playing at the Pontiac Silver Dome outside of Detroit So next thing I call the airline booked myself a flight to Detroit Call my father and said, you know in a couple hours. Can you give me ride to the airport? Sure? so I I go out and help them pack the Vista light bass drum, which was still warm and And There it takes me to the airport. I get out there I had to run a station wagon because it's the only thing that a 26 would fit in And now I'm in rush hour traffic creeping up the freeway to the gig and I get there like at 615 You know or so and every backstage person knew I was coming and Just kept pointing me to the back and I get the right to the back door and there's two golf carts They throw the bass drum and one golf cart take it to this because it's you know Pontiac Silver Dome's 70,000 people. Yeah And so they take the bass drum and one golf cart put me in the other golf cart Take me to the dressing room and I walked in and the band just went Said thank you you saved us. Oh my god. Wow And Sorry, they gave me a hotel key. I spent the night and flew home the next day in the same clothes Unbelievable. I mean wow talking about time to pack. I didn't have time to get a toothbrush Customer service right there man. That's amazing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. God. I can't believe you know it I can't believe you turn it around that day. I mean you could just say I need a pistol light right now I mean, I guess they don't take week weeks to make but wow that is awesome No, no, but it takes our a couple hours and you know the clock was ticking so Yeah on a on a not standard. I mean how many 26 inch pistol light bass drums are being made. That's Exactly. Yeah, that's awesome So that was uh, that was a challenge, but uh, so what year was what year was that I did a lot of those That was probably 76 76 77 So getting back in the the timeline here, so we're approaching when there was another sale of the business then correct kind of in the early 80s Yes, it was uh November 5th 1981 not that I remember but uh And oddly enough that was to a company in elkhart indiana. Oh god old elkhart the summer the summer company And uh, yeah, so That that started that again and when that happened dad and I uh We had an agreement to work for them for five years And dad and I both stayed 10 years because of our law for the company and um They were starting to Rub us the wrong way with their lack, you know lack of engineering lack of due product development lack of artist support So after 10 years in which it was 1991 They parted company with me And that was that was uh That was the end of my life in the drum business which was uh of huge Lost to me and But it just wasn't the same anymore. I mean it wasn't the family field. They were all corporate and I went on my way. I went into another business. I got involved in Restaurant business for a while and then I did some after I discovered that was uh brutal. Yeah I I did some various uh office jobs office Uh management jobs, you know Things that I didn't like but I had two young daughters at the time and yeah, you gotta gotta do what you gotta do pay the bills Yeah Yeah, so then finally uh, that was uh five years ago. I I moved out to the burbs so my daughters could go to a good high school because we lived in downtown Chicago and it was just unbelievable to You know move into a place putting up pictures and I had this picture of my grandfather In the kitchen and I kept looking at the picture and he He looks so proud and he looks so happy Because he's in a factory testing the drum. So for some reason five years ago I took that picture off the wall and on the back In my father's handwriting It's a senior starting over age 63 1940 And I was coming up. I was 59 at the time and I thought God damn it. If he can do it. I can do it. Yeah So, uh, excuse me. Sure So, uh That's what pushed me over the edge to start WFL three drums Yes, which is where we're at today. Yeah, yes, and I couldn't be happier. I'll tell you because uh This is what I love doing and You know, my grandfather started over he was actually 58 to 59 when he first got back to Chicago So the picture I have is a couple years after they got into production Well, he lived to be 93 and was in the factory every day up until two weeks before he died Oh my god, so he's 90 93 years old in the drum factory. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and you know smoking in cigars out in the shop Picking up quality mistakes, you know bitching at people they hurry up Oh, yeah, he was but he was doing what he loved. Yeah, and I thought, you know, that's what I want to do So Now I'm age 63 My drum business is starting to grow. Yeah, just introduced full drum kits Last summer. So at the MAM show in a couple of weeks, we're going to be showing full drum kits and Made me USA. I have we have a factory outside of Kansas City So I'm just ecstatic with the way that this has worked out Well, they are Beautiful drums and you can tell that they're made in the classic Drum making fashion, but they're modern Do you have all of the nice modern touches that we we've kind of that you personally have learned over the years of Being in the Ludwig family. So you're kind of getting the best of both worlds Thank you. Thank you very much. That's what I Set out to do when I first started which was with snare drums, which is the You know starting point. I thought but I wanted to get that old classic Supersonic 400 sound and And so we have a metal shell aluminum metal and three ply wood which is thin wall shell with this the support rings inside the way senior made them and both those snare drums just sound phenomenal and getting really reviews from people who are using them live and in the studio And then the next natural progression was the kits which are the same thin wall wood shell That the snare drums are and they just sound phenomenal everybody that plays the kits Jumps up after five seconds and goes. Oh my god the classic sound. Yeah, the word has spread I've heard people talking about him and saying that they're unbelievable and and it's just yeah So people I think people know and in jumping back here. It's in what I'm seeing In a weird turn of events. I don't know much about it, but con ended up buying selmer. Is that right? Yes Like what you con just can't Move on And now the whole thing is owned by steinway piano company Wow. Yeah about four or five years ago steinway came over and bought the con company which came along with selmer lugwig everybody else and uh three years ago a real estate developer person That's worth 11 billion dollars with a b. Oh my god bought steinway Yeah, I saw that name too and I was wondering how that person got involved Well, if you wanted steinway for some reason, I don't know if he needed pianos for his mansions or what Uh, but he's not paying a whole heck of a lot of attention to the rest of the Instrument divisions. He just focused on steinway So he got it and that's that's where it stands today and and I'm so happy to be doing what I'm doing and not in that corporate venue of You know, everything's numbers everything's computer and everything's got to be this way So I'm just really happy and with our own shop now, which we've only had for a year It's so great. I go down there on occasion and My business partner lives down there and operates that end of it. But I get to go in the factory again And play and say, hey, what if we tried this? Hey, let's try that and if yeah, you're back to the old days Yeah, and I'm loving it Man for me, it's a big thing that people are supporting The guy a a true Ludwig and it's just so funny that and I love how you call it wfl three drums In to me it obviously resembles the the separation of your grandfather Going out on his own and um, I mean it just it's starting over. There's no better way to put it That's just perfect. Thank you Yeah, thank you and my my tagline for the company is the sound of generations Love it Which which I think I think is very fitting and I didn't do this on purpose, but last spring Um, I saw I have a new endorser now kofi baker And uh, he is a fine fine percussionist And he got uh, I don't know. I think it was about a year ago or so. He got jack bruce's son and eric clapton's nephew together and said, why don't we do a tour for the 50th anniversary of cranes last performance cool So they did a tour and on wfl three drums And uh, it doesn't get more generational than that. No, the Ludwig the Ludwig the third working with kofi baker Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it was a great. It was a great tour So I want to tell people before we move on I want I want to get to the questions that people have submitted But um people can find you at wfl Three drums.com. That's wfl II drums.com roman numeral correct three. Yeah, so Um, and you can see pictures you can see everything that bill has available And you can get in touch with them and see the endorsers and all that cool stuff. So, um Really cool. Congratulations on on starting over. Yeah So, thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah starting over at 63 Absolutely. It's never too late. So as I said before I had some questions submitted by a few folks, um from instagram Where if if people I'm assuming most people are finding me through instagram because that's where I post a lot of Cool drum videos But um, if you're not you can go there and see a lot of cool videos And I open it up for people to submit questions there So I will start out with a gentleman who has become a friend of mine named Nate testa who wanted to ask um What did you learn while sitting behind the scenes watching what happened in your family with the company switching around What have you taken from that and used in your current situation kind of like what what is your knowledge? What are your watch outs that you're you're being careful of? Well, you know as I mentioned earlier my I was brought up by my grandfather and father to You have a quality product and top customer service And you can't go wrong. So I've walked away with that uh very strong feeling and and know it myself from Life if I go buy something I want I expect customer service, you know and quality and that's one thing that's um It drives me mad when I call somebody If the phone company or cable company and you push one for this guy push two for this push three for that Why can't I just talk to somebody? Yeah, you know, yeah And you call wfl three drums and I answer the phone So it sounds like it's just all about customer service. I think that's just your entire family has been customer service top to bottom so that's um That again is from, uh, Nate test it who I want to say actually has a He's on social media as the official snare geek. Um, so I think he'll probably feature some wfl three snares on there And he he does really cool reviews and all this kind of stuff. Um, so well, Nate Feel free to call me or send me an email anything I'll I'll tell Nate that after we get off the phone here today. So, um, cool The next question I have is actually and it's interesting because it's from a another friend of mine I knew he's actually on the show his name is Vincent leaf and he runs vitalizer drums I don't know if you've heard of him. You'll get a kick out of this his business his job updating and repairing and Modernizing for lack of a better term, um speed king pedals Oh, Vincent's question was uh, we kind of talked about it But if you can briefly give us a little picture of this, he said what was the factory like in the 60s and 70s Oh, let's see. How do I see this? It was extremely busy loud A lot of hustle and bustle a lot of You know in those days it was people moving materials by hand on on hand trucks or Racks with you know rolling racks Nowadays you have a lot of conveyor belts or automated systems and stuff. So we were all you know hands on And just a lot of action. I mean you had to I as I said to other than I take people on tours We always had to you know stand in a certain place and not walk in a certain place. You'd get run over And uh, it was just a lot of action and a lot of noise. We had uh punch presses knocking out the metal parts for the For the speed king for the cymbal stands for the hi-hats Then we had the wood department saws going like mad cutting the veneers for the shells and uh So I would I would just say a lot of hustle and bustle. That's awesome. I'm sure the days flew by Oh, yeah Well, and that was one of the things that I really missed when we got rid when we sold the company when I was Invited to leave Was growing in the factory. I mean, you know no more the sounds and the smells And I've been the the Damon Avenue factory was made in the condominiums After Selma moved them Moved the factory to North Carolina And I went in there one time because a drum teacher. I know lives there. It's funny.  This is right. This is wrong Yeah, yeah, cool. Okay, great answer. Um, I got two more. We can quickly go through these This one is from a gentleman named Robert. Um What was it like growing up in the Ludwig household?  You're just doing homework Well, it was it was a regular house to me But looking back on it It was wild. I mean we had drummers coming through constantly Uh, we had drums and timpani set up in the basement A couple of times bands came in there two of us And the whole band came into the house. Wow Joe Morello would always use good friends with mom and dad and he'd come and spend the night at the house when he had a day off in Chicago and I'd always pester him to you know, come on uncle Joe sleeping my lower bunk of my bunk bed And he'd play drums and I'd watch him and Buddy rich was there a couple of times and It was crazy. I mean a lot of drummers coming through non-stop Drummers would come into the factory for a tour and then after that we'd say well, you know Why don't you come out to the house for dinner? and uh You know and that was that was the routine and it was it was a riot I was speaking speaking of Joe Morello though. One of my quick stories that just popped in my head. I was in third grade Mom and dad were at the you know I went to the Dave Brubek concert for about a thousand people in the audience and we're standing on the side of the stage I got my little shirt and tie on like I always did and uh, all of a sudden Joe's snare drum just sounded awful and dad, you know, we we noticed that this snare string broke So dad pushes me out on stage. He says go get the drum So I start to walk out nonchalantly to go get Joe's snare drum. He's still playing on the tomtoms And I made the mistake of looking out at the audience and I just froze And and I look back and Joe Joe's looking at me over his glasses smiling and going come here come here So I do Get my courage up get out there get the snare drum Take it back to the side dad and I fixed the string real quick Dad pushes me back out, you know to deliver it and this time I didn't look anywhere except right at Joe Put the drum back on the stand and then he continued to play but Wow, and I remember it like it was last week that feeling when I looked at the audience and thought oh my god There's so many people That's awesome. What I like is about all this is you're not you didn't take it for granted I feel like you've enjoyed every moment of being in a drum family. Oh, yeah, absolutely My final question would be um, so I did an interview with uh, Jim Moritz who is the of the chicago drum company Um Who grew up working at slingerland Now I know there is some growing up slingerland and Ludwig were like competitors. Obviously, they were competitors They were you guys were button heads arch enemies arch enemies So, yes, he said there was some stories about People from Ludwig would be going and looking through the dumpsters to see what slingerland was working on and he said I'm sure slingerland was doing that to the Ludwig boys Do you have any any kind of tales of? of Deceit or deception with the slingerland crew well, uh Jim's story is partially correct saying that someone from Ludwig went through their dumpster. It wasn't someone from Ludwig It was my father Oh boy in the way. Yeah, and this this happened One day in high school on a Saturday. I'm in my room and dad comes in and goes Come on take a ride with me So, okay, I get my shoes on and I start to follow him out to the garage And on the way out, I said Where are we going? He goes we're going up to slingerland. I'm going through the dumpster. You're gonna watch for the police And I said wait a minute I'm not having anything to do with this and he goes fine. I'll go by myself And off he goes.  He pulled out of their dumpster of cut-up shells and Strainers they're working on and he says look at this. Look at the door. I can't believe they're working on a on a new Serb, but you know like Wow, and so that that was my dad doing it and he also Would go to slingerland during around noontime To count how many cars were in the parking lot to estimate their employees How many employees they hit man So it consumed it's consuming to the fight between between slingerland.  Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely Well, bill. I think um, I think that wraps it up I think that's a great ending hearing about the the feud between slingerland and knowing that the the disdain was even more than I I anticipated so Oh, yeah That's great. Well, thank you bill. Have a great day. All right. Have a good weekend. Bye. Bye If you like this podcast find me on social media at drum history and please share rate and leave a review And let me know topics that you would like to learn about the future Until next time keep on learning This is a Gwyn sound podcast


So, so what is, sorry, well, let's, let's let me ask this first and then we can get into the philosophy.  And which is surprising to some extent I think is that many of his followers many of the people interested in him a smart. You know PhD graduates in political science is some of the best universities in the country. So he is appealing to people, we kind of kind of geeks and to people who might become teachers and might become professors and might become real influences. That to me is what is really spooky and scary about what's going on here. It's not his ideas which I think I easily dismissed.   Well, there is some of that. But, but no, you're right. And one of the essays that I published recently titled, what's it title I've got a right here, the BAP boys and America. It's an attempt to understand and explain how and why a generation primarily of highly educated young men, not only in the United States, but around the world actually, because this is becoming a worldwide movement. And how and why they have become attracted to these extraordinarily bad ideas. And I think it's, I think it's really important for all of us to understand that the tectonic plates underneath our culture are shifting. Right. And, and this is really why I got interested in this because you know the future is always with the young and to understand where the country is going you have to understand what it is that is appealing to young people. And, and in my particular case I was interested in what young conservatives and libertarians were becoming interested in. So, it's important to begin with a kind of sociological profile of who these young, primarily men but not all men, you know, what what has brought them to this right because many, this is interesting because many of the of these young men, five, six years have thought of themselves as mainstream heritage foundation conservatives or Kato Institute libertarians. But within a very short period of time, they migrated and indeed have come to reject what they call conservatism, Inc. and libertarianism Inc. for this for this new philosophy. Now why, why is it, who are these, these young men.  Right. And so this is a generation of young men and women, who in effect have really felt the slings and arrows of the totalitarian left right in ways that you and I would not have when we were, you know, going through elementary school and high school and college even though we had some of it back in the day, but not like them I mean that they are living in a stifling moral psychological intellectual environment and have grown up in this environment and and then all of a sudden one day you know when when when they're maybe say in their 20s and they they come to realize that Brooks Brothers conservatism and white paper libertarianism have have been feckless in defending them. They, they, they have rejected that they come to reject mainstream conservatism and libertarianism and and then all of a sudden they started looking for these alternatives. Some of them initially went with the so called alt right but in more recent years, they have migrated toward the Catholic trad cons and towards Bronze Age mindset. So, you know, on the one hand you can say and I do say in what I've been writing is that I get it I understand how and why this generation has become what I've called the last generation. They had no defenders they had no intellectual defenders and there was a vacuum that had been created by conservatism and libertarianism Inc. Right, nobody nobody's interested in in the Kato Institute producing another white paper on free market transportation policy, right, that's not what interests the young today. Yeah, there's no, there's no inspiration there's no, and there's no fight. There's no fight against the evil of the left there's no and there's no projection of of what is possible and you know I noticed, you know, five years ago again when when the old right was active, there were few, not many but a few objectivists who kind of drifted off to the alt right and when you asked them why their answer was there at least doing something. Right, right. And the idea was that by by spamming or what do you call trolling by doing memes that was doing something because these young people felt like they were fighting right there was a fight in them and nobody has rallied these young people around the cause in a way, you know we always say it's intellectual it takes decades, we have to write papers you have to write articles you have to do this stuff. They want action, they want to do something right now and and those people those young men and I think this is why it's primarily men although I'll be accused of being sexist in a minute. And given that orientation towards action action in the physical world. And it's not just the libertarians and the conservatives I mean there's very little I can tell a young person today I said, these are the things you should do act in order to change the world, because it's a big task. Yeah, it isn't a task right, but they've been seduced by the by by these very bad philosophies, and you're absolutely right. I mean I have dubbed them the fight club right. It's this generation of young men who who do want to stand up and fight and that and one can be very sympathetic to that. I mean, that's how I've that's how I've conducted my professional life for the last 30 years has been to be in the middle of a fight. I'm just remember that the Nazis said the same thing right I mean they came out and said, we need to act, we need to do something about the state of the world the left and everything else we need to act on it so it's all about. It's, it's, it's the same materialistic fascist kind of orientation towards action without thought. And we are both be fighting. But the fight takes on a different. I mean it's not a fight that everybody can be engaged in in the same way, because of the nature of the fight. Yeah, and it look I will say, I mean you can think of, for instance, BAP and his followers in terms of the good the bad and the ugly. Right, so there are some things that that I can understand how and why it is that young men today would be attracted to it. BAP is openly and explicitly anti egalitarian. Yep. Right. And, and, and, and, and not only is he anti egalitarian and and has been really a quite savage critic of the left. And it's it's primary hobby horses. He's also offering something of a positive vision, which is aesthetics so in many ways the first thing that the one has to say about BAP is that it's an aesthetic movement. He's trying to lead a kind of an aesthetic revolution, which is why you know, this can be mocked to be sure. But this is why BAP on his Twitter feed. Every day is posting photographs of sort of half naked muscle bound, usually European male models. This is the same aesthetic, exactly the same aesthetic as the Nazis and the communists. I mean, it's exactly the same if you look at if you look at communist art from the Stalin era. It's all these buff men, you know doing physical labor because you know that's what's really. If you look at the Nazi aesthetic, both in architecture, in sculpture, and in everything else that they did, it's the same kind of it's, it's, he's not original here. I mean, Nazism was very much projected as an aesthetic movement. And Hitler spent huge, given that he was at war, spent huge amounts of time designing the future Berlin and talking about with sculptors and architects about what it would look like.  Yeah, and that also translates into his political views. So, in a recent podcast, BAP praised the aesthetics of Albert Spear. Yeah, right.  I mean, I'm sure that is massively appealing to somebody like that. Right. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's, it's anti egalitarian. It's, it's anti nihilist BAP has been profoundly influenced and you can see it in this book Bronze Age Mindset by, by Nietzsche, and Nietzsche's critique of nihilism so some of your, some of the people in your audience might know of Nietzsche's discussion of the last man in the prologue to thus big Zarathustra, and the last man is sort of the last man is in a sense of socialist man. And who BAP refers to as a bug man, right, it's the lowest form of life, which can be equated to essentially cattle, right, life in modern liberal, and by liberal I mean old liberal life in modern liberal bourgeois society, right, according to Nietzsche and to BAP is equivalent to herd life. It's like, it's like cows, whose only life is to be in pasture, eating, defecating and procreating right. That's all that's all life is in modern bourgeois society, and Nietzsche and BAP, they want to, they reject, they reject this, this, the last man or bug life or yeast life as BAP refers to it. And they, they want a new kind of politics, a politics of greatness, where great individuals right and so there's there is also an appreciation of hierarchy and inequality in BAPs writing, writings, but it's without limit without bounds. And not based on, not based on, not based on the kind of hierarchy we, I mean, not based on the mind, it's based much more on, on force and politics and in power. Oh, absolutely it is. Yeah, and he shares that with Marx, right, it's about in the end power. Exactly. Consider the name bronze age pervert or the book bronze age mindset. Bronze age what's typical of the bronze age. So, BAP wants to return to a pre Socratic age. He wants to, he wants to return to literally to the bronze age.  He relates with logo centrism that is and philosophy with Socrates, and, and, and the Greek philosophers. He wants to return to a pre Socratic Homeric age, where, where individuals, I mean, he has a different kind of different view of human nature. He wants to, he wants to do away with reason, and he wants to elevate intuition instincts will. What the Greeks called Fumos, which is a kind of, which is a kind of spiritedness, he talks about innate innate blood and desire. So it's, it's, in other words, he wants a return to the Dionysian in rejection of the Apollonia. Yes, and just to remind everybody, Iron Man has a famous essay Apollo versus Dionysus.  Right. And he comes down strongly on the side of Dionysus. He wants to liberate man, what he thinks are man's natural instincts, intuitions. He talks about the unquenchable lust for power. And so therefore, his view of human nature, also, so in other words, that is to say he views man's instant, his instincts, his hormones, his blood, his desire, his will as that which is most defining and fundamental about human nature, not the fact that man is the rational being. Yeah, so you said earlier that he rejects nihilism. But don't you think he is a nihilist? Well, that's, no, that's, I think that's right. I mean, he, he, he rejects the nihilism of the left. But there's a sense in which he himself is a nihilist. He's a nihilist in, I mean, because fundamentally, in the rejection of what he calls logocentrism and reason and philosophy. And there's a sense when you could say that's the ultimate form of nihilism. And by the way, that's a nihilism that he shares in common with the postmodern left, right, because they reject the same things. And so he is, in many ways, despite his rejection of, of his rejection of egalitarianism and nihilism, he does nonetheless share a great deal in common with those to that he that he's opposed to. Yeah. Right. And so his, this view of human nature that he has translates into moral action and into political action. So morally speaking, he's a kind of to use a character from Plato's Republic. And he's what I call Thrasymachian or he advocates a view of justice that one can describe as Thrasymachian, by which I mean Thrasymachus was a character primarily in book one of the Republic, who, who really makes famous the doctrine might makes right. In other words, there, there is no right, which is to say there, there is no objective view of justice or of, of human action, there is only will to power. That's what he takes directly from Nietzsche. So might makes right. And so those, those who are strongest both in terms of willpower, and of physical strength of courage. They should be allowed to roam the earth, literally, to literally roam the earth and conquer. And it bronze age. What's, what's similar, if you will, about these different strands within the within the this new right. So what's similar between the trad cons, because I can tolerate that. I mean, and commented in our commentary, I climb on review books clearly kind of embraced at least some of the back, back, backists, right in in their online publication at least. What is similar about them what's the attraction of back to people in the Catholic conservative tradition. So it's two things. First, it's, it is as I've already suggested the rejection of conservatism and libertarianism Inc. That's number one, and number two, which I've already suggested as well is their anti Americanism, by which I'm, you know, I'm using the term Americanism as a kind of as a way to sum up what I consider to be the moral political philosophy of the American Well, and the third would be a rejection of the left and the view of the left enemy and, and the be all end all of the the only thing to be focused on. And I think to some extent that the trad cons realized that they have been part of the, what did you call them the kind of traditional conservatism and that they have failed and that maybe that brings new blood or new energy or new excitement to the cause. Yeah. And, and, and I think this is something that we should all be thinking about. Right. So, I'm a proponent of a free society. That's, that's what, that's what I'm working for is is a free society. And I, I, I recognize that that the totalitarian or postmodern left is is in many ways, I think it is the primary threat to to a free society. And, and I also recognize the factlessness of of Brooks Brothers conservatism and white paper libertarianism. Absolutely. Right. And so I was in factlessness that they're not just a factlessness they not just that they ineffective but they actually do damage they much of their ideas as we discussed in your conservatism lead to back lead to inevitably because the bad ideas and their ideas based on also fundamentally of ejection of reason and individualism. So they're going to lead to these others and that's that's true both I think of the conservatives and the libertarians. Conservatives in particular right share share the same moral premise as the left which is more which is altruism. Right. And I mean, this this altruism, and it's psychological cognate, which is guilt. I mean, these have been the, I think the primary factors in in that are at the heart of this, what I call factlessness of traditional conservatism and even libertarianism. And so, you know, what we need to what I mean, what I think it is, you're on and you and I've talked about this privately before, as I've said, just in today's today show, I do think the tectonic plates the cultural tectonic plates underneath this country are shifting in in massive ways. And it's important for the proponents of a free society and objectives in particular to understand how those those those cultural tectonic plates are shifting. We have to find a way to be able to speak to this generation, this young generation that, on the one hand, has a sense of hopelessness. On the one hand, and, and on the other hand, a sense that that that what they need to do is just fight. And, and that's all there is is just fighting fighting the left, but that's in that's that's radically insufficient. Right, you have to have a you have to have a positive vision that's different than the left. That's different from the left. Because their positive vision is the same as the left. It's the same nihilism. I mean, the great tragedy, I think today in America is in somebody asked about this is, can we even define left and right aren't they all the same. Well, in a sense, they're all the same. So somebody says, can you or Thompson define right wing versus left wing ideology. It seems like the closer one examines the differences the more faint the line between them becomes authoritarian is authoritarian. You know, and I'd say, yes, authoritarian is authoritarian. They, it's useful to to differentiate between authoritarian of the left authoritarian or the right for variety of intellectual reasons to be able to combat them. But essentially the same thing there's a nihilism of the left and nihilism of the right. There's the common good of the left and the common good of the right their public interest of the public interest of the right. It's somebody, you know, it's, it's, I've always said the spectrum is individualism, collectivism, and then at some point the collectivism branches into two, right. One goes right and one goes left, but they're both collectivists and they kind of get really close to each other at the extreme. So, do you think this has traction that is, if we project out and, and, and, you know, doing these things is always risky but if we think 1015 years out 20 years out is back bigger is, is that the danger is are the trad cons more influential. What is the trajectory if nothing, if nothing is done to combat these guys. That's, that's a, that's a good end and a hard question.  They're married have kids coach little league baseball, you know, and have, and, and, and, and see the silliness of all of this. But, you know, on, on the other hand, it's, it is growing, it is, it is absolutely growing and it also turns out that the, the Catholic traffic con movement is growing. Let's just say I've heard that at one well known Ivy League University. In fact, the most likely of all Ivy League universities has has a has a substantial faction of young graduate students who are the, who are Catholic integralists. Who, who, who believe in throne and altar, who believe, you know, who is first allegiance is to the Pope, and, and they would they would like to see an American monarchy. Wow. So, so I mean I agree with that I think that what this is scary is not in the in the sense that any one of these will be exactly what the future leads to but that so many people. Are rejecting Liberty on the right now we know that this has happened already on the left are rejecting freedom Liberty the phone and really scary the funny fathers right they always used to claim allegiance to the funny fathers. That it's hard to tell what their manifestation will be in 10 years 20 years, but we know, I think that this is going to grow. And, and who knows how they use the different these movements might unite under a banner of common good under banner of authoritarianism under banner of more materialistic action orientation. Who knows what it'll what manifestation or will take but just like the old right in the sense evolved into this. This, who knows where this was going to go but it's not going in any good direction. I'll tell you where it's going, it's going toward Weimar. It's going to work by my Germany the 1920s, where the left and the right want to exclude the proponents of a free society. So that that that I mean this is this is the reason why they are attacking me so vociferously, right because I actually represent a genuine alternative to what they're proposing relative to the left, right. They have more in common with the left than they apparently have in common with me. And so I'm, I'm, I've become certainly with, well actually to be honest with both the Catholic trad cons and with the bat boys, I've become public enemy number one. Right, so since compliment. Since the pajama boy Nietzsche's essay was published. Well over 20 essays I think maybe now 25 essays have been published in response to that essay. And so I'm sort of fighting a two front war right now against both the Catholic trad cons and and the bat boys. And so, but this is the issue you're on. This won't be a passing fad. If we don't fight it. Yeah, I agree. Right, that's it might be a passing fad in the sense of the particulars of bad, but it won't be a passing fad in terms of the ideas behind it. That's right. No, I think that's absolutely right I think we are in you can see the nihilism on the left explicitly which was the same environment Germany. And shockingly, you know people always, it was the right, or a kind of unification of the nihilism of left and right, which led into which was what the Nazis were, you know, they united both the right and the left. Right. Yeah, and I mean one of the things that they've been saying about me is that they've been criticizing me for is quota punching right. Right. They're all on the chat all over the chat. Why are we even talking about this isn't the real threat to left. Why are we punching right, we should be all focused on punching left later we could deal with them. You know, and, and why is that wrong. Well, look, the first thing to say, anybody who knows me. Yeah, right and and maybe maybe your audience doesn't know. This is about you this is about me primarily because they've you know, and it doesn't matter to see to them and this is that should to back into the trade cons. It doesn't matter how much you punch left. That's irrelevant. It's the fact that you're daring to punch right that offends them it's, this is just a rationalization the fact that we're not spending every living moment of our life fighting the left is a complete rationalization because they don't want you punching right because they don't want to punch you right has now you do is. Yeah, but those those those are just labels right, which is why I reject the authoritarianism. Exactly. To repeat. I'm a proponent of a free society, and I will fight all enemies against the free society.  In terms of the positive political moral and political vision that they espouse with what I espouse there there there is there there are no similarities I have nothing in common with them.  I, in a sense, you know, I walked into by accident. I had no idea when I first published the Bajama boy Nietzsche's essay that I would spend almost a year fighting these guys and let me let me also tell you that not a single one of them has responded intellectually. I've seen the articles.   I mean, everything that has been published in response to me, either in terms of these essays, or on Twitter has all been ad hominem. And, and sometimes more than ad hominem say something about the more than ad hominem I think it's important for people to know who these bastards really are. Okay, so let me just, before I do that take a moment to promote my substack, because that's where this is all been happening recently. By the way, you can find that substack in the description below. I've linked to the substack and to the five or six articles about BAP and the dissident rate. So my substack is titled the redneck intellectual. It's at see Bradley Thompson one word dot substack.com. And in the last few months I've published a series of essays. First, in response to my Catholic trad con critics and then in response to bronze age pervert and his followers. And let me focus in particular on a couple of essays that I published in late December early January. The first of which was titled bronze age pervert and the fascist new frontier. And the second, the second one was titled German nihilism American style. And then finally there was a third bronze age pervert and or BAP and the bat boys, something like that. Anyway, they initiated on Twitter, a coordinated campaign. And this is demonstrable. When I say coordinated it was a coordinated it was a campaign actually core coordinated by BAP himself to have his minions attack me on on Twitter. And of course it's all the standard.  And then after they were libeling me and this again is demonstrably demonstrably provable that that they were libeling me into faming my character, then they started threatening me physically. And after they threaten me physically, then they started threatening my wife and children, and threatening to put together a dossier against me, which they were going to deliver to the dean of my college. Right. So, this is this is who these are the people that I'm dealing with. They, they, they, they continue the libel and, and they, and they also continue to say nothing substantive in response to my arguments.


This is basically if and only if statement are basically represented as two direction of the action. It is to be read as p if and only if cube. That means p is both the sufficient as well as the necessary condition for q and vice versa. So we can also read it as p is a necessary and sufficient condition for q and vice versa. You can say that the statement is as good as if p then q and if q then p logically come together and operate or logically come together with a conjunction, right? Yes sir. So let me give you an example on this. If you give Venkat fruits, if and only if, if and only, by the way this is represented by short form with IFF, then Venkat will eat. So that means Venkat won't take it from tree and eat, I should give it to him. Yeah. So now, now what is the meaning of this? I think I wrote your spelling wrong. Now what does it mean? It means that if you, if Venkat, then only he will eat and if Venkat has eaten, he must have eaten fruits. That means both imply each other. So if somebody comes and tells me, hey, sir Venkat has eaten, then I would understand automatically that Venkat was offered fruits, then only he would have eaten, that's not, correct? Oh, okay. Yes sir. That Venkat was given fruits and I would automatically understand, yes, he would have eaten. It's not only if he'll give Venkat, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, okay, I thought, I thought the main thing was give here, it's not give, it's if and only if, that's the thing, right? Yeah, yeah. It doesn't mean that he'll go and pluck from tree and eat, that doesn't mean that, right? Don't go into the lateral part of it. So if Venkat is given fruit, he will eat, think like that. Oh, yes sir. Don't focus on the give part. Yeah. If Venkat is offered fruit or if he is provided with the fruit, then only he'll eat. Yes sir. Think like that. Okay. Can we have a tooth stable of this quickly? Yeah. Let's have a tooth stable off, if and only if P, then Q. Remember that this is equivalent to saying the conjunction of this P, Q and QP. Yes. So keep this in mind while you're making the tooth table. If you want, I can make separate columns for these two and then we can have a column for if and only if. Let's do this. True. True. What is this? True. True. What is this? True. True. What is this? This is also true. But if and only if it's true, don't both have to be true or both have to be false. I, it will come to that, Veeraj. That's what we're going to discuss now. So if this is true, this is false. That's what we're going to discuss now. So if this is true, this is false. First of all, bad husband. Yeah. Good guy. Yeah. Intersection or you can say the conjunction of these two will be false. False. Okay. False too. Good husband. Other way around it will be a bad husband and conjunction of this will be bad. False. False. And finally, when you have false, false, this will be true. This will also be true and conjunction of true is also true. What does it mean? It means as what Veeraj rightly pointed out, unless until both the component statements are true or both the component statements are false, it will never be true. Okay. So this is like what this is. These are the kids of our statement, right? And it's a separate class. These are all the subsets of our statements. Where is an or statement? There's an answer. No, no, no. Okay. Because in or, false and false gave up because in and false and false gave up false, here everywhere else false and false giving true. No, for and statement, false, false was also a false. Yeah. That's what you said. Or was also false, false, false, false. But here it is giving true. Okay. So basically, when I say if Venkat is given a fruit, then he will eat. Logically, if you were into saying if Venkat is not given a fruit, he will not eat. Are you getting my point? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yes sir. No. If I ask you, tell me the negation of this. How would you write? Okay. What do you think should be negation of this? Don't worry too much. The negation of this is the negate. Yeah. The negation of this guy. Right. Oh, okay. You know when two statements are connected by a conjunction, you normally write it as negation of disjunction. Yes sir. And this itself is p and not q. Okay. Or q and not p. So do it for homework, draw the truth table for this and check whether the truth table for this gives you false to true false. Hmm. Okay sir. Okay. One second. I'll take screenshot of homework sir. Please. Done sir. No. Somebody was asking what's the tautology? Tautology is basically a statement which is always true irrespective of what is the truth value of the component statements. Should I repeat my statement once again? Yes sir. A tautology is a statement which is always irrespective of what is the truth value or the logic value of the component statements. Irrespective of what is the truth value of the component statements. Okay. Let me give you an example. Let's say p or not p. Is it a tautology? So here p is a component statement. Okay. So let us draw a truth table for this. We can only take true or false, right? Correct. So the negation of it will be false or true. And if you take the or it will be true or true, right? So irrespective of whether this is true or false this guy is always true. So this is actually. Yeah. Now don't expect such easily. We'll definitely ask you. Okay. Let's give you an example. Policy or we can say contradiction. That'll be that guy. Replace a downward arrow with upward arrow. Right. An example of it can be p and not p. That is the statement will always be false irrespective of whatever is the truth value of the component statements. Let's say I take this as true and a false. And this will be false and a true and then conjunction will always be false. False false. Whatever is your input statement, your output is always false. So this is our example of a policy. Yes sir. Now before we proceed, I will take up a lot of questions with you. And then I'll start with the validation of. Okay. Let's start. Let me just open to the sheet here. Can we quickly complete the archives? Yes. First one. So trans dental is that by an all right. What's a trans dental number? Let me think sir trans dental function or stand function. That's what we learned sometime back. Something like e to the power. Okay. Sir is pie a transcendental thing. Sorry. Is pie a transcendental. The actual pie not the 22 by 7 pie. See basically. Yeah. I mean the actual pie right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See basically in mathematics we define transcendental numbers as those numbers which are real or complex. That is not a non zero polynomial equation with integer coefficients. Which is real or complex which is not a non zero solution of polynomial with integer coefficients integer coefficients. But is that required here for problems only. No sir. Read the statement. Yes sir. P is a statement where it says X is an irrational number. Q is a statement where Y is a transcendental number and R be a statement where X is a rational number if and only if Y is a transcendental number. Okay. Now these are the two statements that they have made R is equivalent to either P or Q. No. So basically that means my answer is A. Yes sir. Yeah. So let's check it out. So if you make two tables of it. R is an irrational number. That's what P says. But this guy says not P implies Q. Correct. Yeah. Now what is my question saying? Question is saying that these two statements are equivalent. Oh.  They are the same thing. Okay. Yes sir. Can you make a two table of this and check it out. Yes sir. I'll make it here itself. Not P implies Q. And here I will make P or Q. True. True. True. This guy will be. True. First one will be true. And this guy will be a. True false. False. Yeah. True false false and good guy. Okay. True false is going to be true here. Yeah. Good guy. Yeah. This is not P and Q right. False false. Yes sir. Now false true. Once again true. Correct. False. Yes sir. False. False. Now take the order of these two. True or true is true. True. True. False or true is true. False false is false. False false. This is P where is this. Oh yes sir. That means statement one is true right here. Yeah. Yeah. Your answer is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. What about 62. R is equivalent to saying. Not.  If and only if P. Then not Q. That means you're saying. This is same as. This guy. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Yes sir. We'll erase something over here. The necessary things. And did you want me to make this again? It is already made right? So this column erase that Tool and I'll make. Negation off. Okay now in my mind I will do a lot of things. Please feel free to ask me. So first you see P. Only if p. Then not view. So that's tela P. Now in your mind treat this as false. So true and false will definitely give you a false, right? Yes, until both are true or both are false, this will not give you a true, correct? Yes, sir. This will give me a true. Tinda of that, yeah. Now true, true will give me a true, this will give me a false. False. The moment I see that there was a true here and there was a false coming over here, they are not equivalent. So this statement is false. That means option D is the right option. Yes, sir. Others who are silent, can I take your silence for that you have understood it? Sir, I am sorry, sorry, sorry. Vidyota. Yes, sir. Type yes, personally to me. Yes, sir. Everybody should type yes, everybody should type yes.


Greetings my esteemed subscribers. Today I thought to refute some more lies this time from Rational Vicky. So let us begin. The golden one is an alt-right nationalist false. I have never claimed to be alt-right. Secondly, traditionalist, which by their definition is not what I mean when I talk about traditionalism. What I mean when I talk about traditionalism is perennialism. So to give an example, if you have various cultures in various places over various time periods, and they have all come up with the same conclusions. So for example that a man takes responsibility is good no matter if you are an Anglo-Saxon during the 9th century or you are an African tribesman 2000 years ago or you are a Swedish man today. That is what I mean with traditionalism. Third, YouTube V-logger. I rarely do video logs, but yeah, I've made a few so technically it isn't completely false. And an online fitness coach. Yes, I also own two companies. You could have mentioned that. He is also an Odinist because of course he is. Now first and foremost, some advice here for the author of the article. It's really not lending anything to your credibility to use a curse word in a text. You can use curse words every once in a while in speech if you want to reinforce your point, but writing it down like this is, yeah, it's not a good look. And also, yes, I am a pagan. I try to be a pagan. I try to reconnect with my spirituality because I don't find atheism to be satisfying enough in this world of ungodliness, so to speak. And I say that because I want something more. And if I can explore something in regards to the spiritual realm, yes, of course, I want to do that. And yeah, it's quite obvious that going along the path of Norse mythology, Norse religion is the natural choice for me as a Norseman. I don't know what else I could have chosen. Christianity isn't all too welcoming these days and it isn't particularly in tune with my beliefs. So therefore, yes, I am a pagan. Nothing wrong with that at all. What does he do and why should anyone care? Despite his unusual, despite his insane okay, I challenge anyone to give an example on which one of my political views, which one of my proposed policies is insane. Comment in the comment section below because I'm very curious to hear which which one of them is insane. Anyway, going on, or maybe because of them, the Golden Ones YouTube channel post over 88,000 subscribers. Yes, we're above that now, happily enough. Some of his subscribers may even be in positions of power. Yes, they are. And that's a good thing indeed. Keep on reading and let that sink in. The Golden One has shown open support for Rodrigo Duterte, president of the Philippines. Specifically, he supports Duterte's decision to encourage the murder of suspected drug dealers. And then the article goes on. Yes, I do support Rodrigo Duterte. I think he is a hero. I think he is a role model. Definitely something that more leaders should look up to. He gives everything he has for his people to make his country a better place. That is a textbook definition of a good leader. Of course, yes, I'm very sorry for the innocence that are dying. But here's the thing, more innocence will die if the current drug regimes are continuing to exist. So if we're talking about the total amount of innocent victims, yes, I'm sure Duterte is on the side of less innocent victims. So yes, my support for Rodrigo Duterte still stands strong. Encouragement of kidnapping. Now, this title is highly misleading. And here is where the article loses all of its credibility. These types of low blows, these types of overt misrepresentations. It's just, I don't know what to say. That is obviously not what I mean. That is obviously not what anyone with our three digit IQ will understand from any of my videos. We can continue reading. The Golden One encourages young men to forcefully prevent their female loved ones from leaving home at night.  And it goes on. Yes, I'm very proud of making that video, one of the best videos I've made. No regrets whatsoever. I might have prevented tens of rapes just by saying these words. Things aren't the way they used to be. This was after the police in Sweden had encouraged females in Östersund, a town in Sweden, to not go out at night. I reinforced their message by saying, you know what? This is not something you can participate in anymore because you might end up in trouble. I was correct. I am still correct. You're trying to protect your loved ones. This is what that's about. It's not kidnapping anyone. So yeah, I have absolutely no regrets. I'm very proud of myself, one of the best videos I've ever made. And my advice there still stands strong. If you have a female relative which you love who does not want to listen to reason, yes, you can physically hinder her from putting herself in danger. That is the reasonable course of action if you love her.  The Golden One criticizes the gay community for not speaking up about this. I am indeed, believe it or not, I have actually been to a pride parade. And believe you me, I was not prepared for what I saw there. But it was a good thing that I went because that opened my eyes to certain things. And the reason for me being there was that I was sponsored by a underwear company and I had to dance with some girls.  But yeah, it's not something I would recommend anyone else to do. Obviously a degenerate aspect of the modern world. But for me, it was a good thing that I went so I could open my eyes to that. And yes, the statements I've made since is reinforced by that. And yes, I do say the same thing today.  So if you see a 12 year old boy twerking at a parade, you need to be the first one to call that out. Simple as that. Antipornographic views. The Golden One believes that porn causes men to become pacified sheep. Unsurprisingly, he does not offer any evidence for this claim, except anecdotal evidence. Nor does he explain how porn supposedly turns men into pacified sheep. I have actually linked quite a few studies over the years. So this is a lie, actually. I can link some more resources below if you want to have a look at those.  So there you go. Yet again, I will link some resources below and my other arguments for not watching porn. I try to live my life as follows. I pretend that either my ancestors or my gods or whomever is watching me all the time, which then means that I can't do certain ignoble behaviors such as fapping the porn. And I suggest to all of my valiant disciples to adapt this mindset. So just pretend that you have someone watching you all the time so that you make good decisions. And so that you do not dishonor yourselves. So that was my refutation of some of the points in this video. And for everyone who's new to the channel, feel free to just look around in my videos and on my homepage, thegoldenone.se and on my Instagram, TheGloriousLion. I have all of my views in public. I try to reach as many people as possible with my views. So just have a look, spend some time and make up your own mind about my positions. And yet again, if you have any example of any of my proposed policies that are insane, please let me know in the comment section below. Otherwise, if you're new to the channel, I would definitely encourage you to subscribe. And I promise I will not disappoint. And who am I? I'm the elf of wisdom, XXO. In your opinion, what is the most powerful insight presented by the Iliad? Strength and beauty. The Iliad is not just a poem about a trodden war. It is about fate, as it was understood by our warrior ancestors, whether they were Greek, Celtic, Germanic, Slavic or Latin. The poet sings about nobility in the face of war.


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