All right, and we can talk. So if you guys have any questions or you just need some insight into things like let's talk. Alex, if Alex is here, we can bring him on or... Yeah, so let me actually talk about the live trading video that's going live tomorrow guys. So starting tomorrow, I'm gonna be releasing my $145,000 live trade on Bed Bath and Beyond and this is kind of gonna start our live trading series for MIC. So the first live trading video is a voiceover commentary of me making $145,000 on Bed Bath and Beyond and I'm gonna try every week or every two weeks to release a new episode of the live trading series and it's gonna be for lifetime members. So the first episode is gonna be free for everyone, YouTube, monthly, annual, whatever, but going forward, it's gonna be for lifetime members only. So I have about $260,000 worth of live trades recorded. I have one second, let me just double check my spreadsheet. I have one second. Dude, you guys have no idea how beneficial this is. I have the $145,000 trade ready. I have a $17,500 trade ready and I have a $3,000 live trade ready. I have being edited right now a $60,000 live trade, a $6,600 live trade, a $12,000 live trade, a $5,100 live trade, an $11,400 live trade, a $5,500 live trade and in between those, I have three day trading blocks. So I'm gonna try and release a new episode every week or every two weeks. It just depends on how long the editing takes because I'm voice overing pretty much all the videos. So yeah, that's pretty much it. You guys wanted the next step. This is it dude. Here is no better time to be a lifetime member. Guys, if you have questions about lifetime or what upgrade to see this going forward on a regular bit, just DM me and we can get you started on that. You gotta fill out the application, et cetera. You don't, like, if we've known you for a while, guys, like obviously you've been in here a couple of years, I already know you don't have to fill out the application that's usually for someone new, getting to know them, et cetera. But it is good to do that as well just to make it, so we never miss an application.  This may be the best thing we ever done. Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I'm gonna try to record as much as I can. It's really hard because when I'm recording, I'm also trying to still help members and trade at the same time, but. I know bro, it's so hard. That's why honestly it's taken us a really long time guys to get here is we don't just do things just to do it. We want it to be really good content. Like we want it to be good, man. So hopefully you guys know that even in doing this, it actually can actually hinder Alex's trading. But we're like, dude, members would really get a lot of use out of this. So it's like we're trying it, right? Yeah, and I have 10, so far I have 10 examples recorded, which is good, but I'm gonna try to keep recording more. And in the meantime, I'm gonna still be doing these day trading vlogs. So what I'm thinking is I'll do the bed bath and beyond trade this week to more at 4 p.m. market time. Next week I'll do a day trading vlog episode, then a week after I'll do a live trading video, but the live trading videos are gonna be for lifetime members only. And I have wins in there, I have losses in there, so it's gonna take some time. I don't wanna release them all at once because it's just not fun that way and I don't think people are gonna watch it. So I'm gonna try to release it as much as I can, but I have 10 examples so far. Yeah, let's see what happens. Yeah, Alex, nobody binges anymore, man. Disney Plus figured it out when they started releasing Mandalorian, but you gotta do it bi-weekly, bro. You gotta do it weekly. And I think, to be honest, the $145,000 trade is gonna be very, very, very... It's informative and it's gonna kind of blow your mind how simple it can be if we have a plan in there. So that's gonna be tomorrow at 4 p.m. market time.  It's funny that you just said that, Alex, how simple. It's gonna be, in fact, it's actually gonna probably really bluntly, guys, actually take some of this, like, Alex on a pedestal or big P&Ls on a pedestal and kind of take them down a little bit. You guys are gonna see that this is not unachievable. Like, it's not like you can't achieve this. This is very achievable stuff. It's just Alex may have hit harder on an exact line, like I said earlier, that you have hit.  You know, if I keep going. Then you'll see the day trading vlogs of me actually executing some of these trades. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, now you'll see our cameraman, George, actually filming Alex and talking to him while he's doing it. It's like- Yeah, so it's exciting stuff, guys, because the truth is the educational stuff, although it provides massive value and although you guys can learn a lot, no one really cares. No one's really listening. So for those that wanna take it seriously, there's gonna be a lot of trades now that literally like, probably, like I have, okay, so let me, let me just see. So one of them is shorting pre-market after the top is set. One of them is shorting a large cap stock into resistance. One of them is an ATM stock that I shorted. One of them is a reverse split stock. One of them is a pump and dump. One of them is how to make money on a school trading day, how to make 34% return in 34 minutes, death candle, low heating fruit and shorting broken stocks on a balance. So pretty much the things that we do every single day, there's now gonna be a live trading example and I'm sure there's gonna be multiple examples of the same setup, but I mean, it's never really been a better time to be a lifetime member and you guys have been asking for a while, just it takes a long ass time, man. Yeah, it really does. And again, guys, I cannot say this enough. Anything of an idea that maybe it's been Alex, maybe it's been B&L, maybe it's been you as a trader, you've put on a pedestal, this is gonna take it down and show you that it is achievable because you don't wanna have anything on a pedestal. You don't wanna have a girl on a pedestal, a guy on a pedestal, a career, something that you don't, because when it's on a pedestal, you don't think you can achieve it. You think it's godly, you think it's a deity.  In fact, Alex, I have a funny story for you. Our camera guy, who's a dear friend of all of us, Alex myself, he shoots the vlogs. He is like over the shoulder as he's filming, seeing how easy it is for Alex to do what he does or how at least how simple.  Like give me a membership call. I was like, I got you, bro. So that's what we're talking about. Guys, when the cameraman is wanting to learn how simple Alex is making a look, think about when you watch these. And it's funny because the cameraman recording the vlogs is actually, he watched the accelerator, Joe. He's been paper trading for two weeks and I'm sure you're gonna watch his journey of how he's trying to get to becoming a persistently profitable trader because, bro, everyone deals with the same problems every single time, you know? 100%. Yeah, see, now we're gonna do vlogs on the cameraman. They filmed us as our cameraman. Yeah, but I'm not trying to get as much episodes out of this live trading series as I can. 260,000 of live trades, pretty good to start.  So it's really hard. But even if I run out of footage in the short term, I'm just gonna keep recording and recording and recording. So I'm gonna try to keep it consistent, you know, every other week, every week. But if there's like a two week period where there's nothing, just keep in mind that I'm still recording and I'm still trying to get this stuff done. Alex, talk to us about this market right now, bro. Last week, I think after the MIC ESPN highlights, I think it came out to about almost 14,000. This week's different, dude. What are your thoughts? What do you think? This week might be 1,400, bro. That's what I'm saying, dude. I mean, there's no easy way to say it. A lot of people say that, oh, the market's going down, shorts are making a lot of money, blah, blah, blah. But the truth of the matter is that shorts make money in a bull market because the moves are so exaggerated. And because the entire overall market has just been straight down, people have not been speculating a gambling on small cap stocks, which means that there hasn't really been much of an edge lately. So we just been kind of, you know, chugging along.  Everyone wants to make money, but like there's really no money to be made in this current market cycle, which sucks, but it's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. And I think, you know, that the person who doesn't really want to do this as a career and then just comes in and is like, I just want to make some quick cash. They hear that stuff and they bounce. Maybe they're like, okay, I don't want to join MSC. The market's not good right now.  Just because it's a market that's a little bit slow right now, you know that at any day of any time the Fed gets our printing, the market goes up and then small caps follow, et cetera, et cetera.  At any time anything can happen. So why not learn now? You actually have more time to watch Alex's live trades than you do last week or maybe the week before or maybe if crack week comes again, you know what I mean? So I'm telling you, man, these live trades, I think it's what the missing piece is for a lot of traders.  Yeah. There's a death candle. How can you see me and react to that death candle? And again, there's going to be wins and losses and exactly like Chuck said, if you can survive now, you will thrive when it turns our job as traders in this market is just to stay alive because I'm telling you, you guys can see it. There used to be hundreds of people, thousands of people watching these videos, thousands of people, you know, participating. Now no one is because the market is the most hated thing in the world. So because the most hated thing in the world, that's fine. But when the cycle changes, cause everything moves in cycles, if you could thrive in this market, I'm telling you, when the market gets easier, you're going to be sitting back with your feet up, you know? Dude, a hundred percent.  This guy is following everything he's doing. Guys, markets change. We will have a bull market again, just for the last 120 years, the spy goes down, the spy goes up, the spy goes down. We are in a time where, yeah, it's a little rough.  Thanks, you know, whoever dropped this market. But when you have resilience, when you have patience, when you have the determination to know that I'm going to be prepared at the time of change whenever it comes, that is what we do. We're not doing this for a year. We're doing this until we die, or at least Alex and I are. Hopefully a lot of you guys are too, but you can build a full-fledged career out of this. So why not learn as much as you can now when it's a little bit of calm, still waters?  The thing is guys, like, it's just a matter of being patient and reminding yourselves in this current market cycle, in this cycle, your job is not to make money. Your job is to stay alive. So stop trying to judge yourself if you're making money or not. Judge yourself if you're literally able to stay alive because I've been doing this, I'm coming up, I think on nine years, right? Two, 14, six, seven, eight. Probably it's going to be, I think eight and a half years is what I'm at in trading and I myself as an eight and a half year trader, I still, and like, damn, this market is hard. So I could only imagine what it could feel like if you've even been on this journey for a year or less than a year. So... Well, Alex, dude, you tweeted yesterday, bro, Metta, which is Facebook for anybody who doesn't know, is trading like a penny stock. Yeah, so that's the thing, guys. And I was actually curious about who is the biggest holder of Metta stock and the Vanguard fund.  Well, let me tell you something. I don't know a single person in my life outside of my stepdad who's actually up in this market, but he's the smartest mind I've ever known, worked for a company, handled billion dollar portfolios for the company. I won't say which company, but he's the smartest man I've ever known in my life as my stepdad.  Like it's crazy. It's not the year to make money, guys. It's the year to stay alive. So if you can stay alive in this year, you will thrive for the rest of your trading career. So just remind yourself that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  If the CPI number goes down, I mean, if the CPI number is hot tomorrow, but in the meantime, We'll see, dude. In the meantime, we just gotta stay patient. I'm a little scared, Alex. I don't wanna look at the markets tomorrow, bro, I'm nervous. Yeah, maybe it's better that you don't. The number's gotta be good. I don't know, dude. I don't know. I mean, look, I think either way, bro, it's gonna sound crazy, but I think a lot of it is priced in. And I think if the shit gaps down and we have a bid, it's the reversal, but you never know.   I thought you tweeted today that it wasn't priced in. That was foreshadowing, bro. I think it's gonna be priced. That's what I think, bro, because at the reality is, I think everyone is so heavily positioned to the downside that if there's anything I know about the market, the opposite usually happens. And I think that gap down, it's not a blind buy, but if that gap down starts to get a bid and starts to get a trend, I think that is the signal. I agree. And Kevin, just to say this, buy everything at 300. Dude, how can you? Everybody bought at 400. Everybody's money's locked up.   What's that? I don't know, let's see what happens, bro. Let's see what happens. I'm super curious. Did you guys have any questions? Sorry, this is a Q&A. Did you guys have any questions of anything we talked about so far? And now that we have Alex today, did you have any questions for him? I know we don't have him on too much on these as it's usually about, but bow's out for the week moving. So did you guys have any questions so far? Or we can just talk. We can just rant. I guess everybody's just soaking it up, dude. Yes, investment Tash, you said who's making the most money? The best investment, bro, is buying a 30 year treasury yield.  So I've been talking, so I know a lot of people that have their money managed by JP Morgan, private client and Goldman Sachs.  They're small, dude. They're down too.    And if they're cheating and they still can't make money, everyone's fucked. That's where Alex, I know this is just funny to talk about. It's not really educational as it's totally like conspiracy thought, but I've always thought there that because of that, like JP Morgan and like the smartest minds in the world get smoked. Dude, like, but I wonder, I've always wondered, bro, is there like three to five people that actually control the market and they're like the Rothschilds? Like, dude, I've always wanted to do it like this. The only person that controls the market is the Federal Reserve. That's sort of good. And one person or one entity. It's gotta be, dude.  So what they do is when the market is down, they end up doing quantitative easing. They start buying up, buying up all these stocks, dead lows. And then when the market's at the top, they start selling everything at the top and they keep repeating the process over and over and over again. Well, and I think what's so beneficial about this learning lesson of people that never thought, you know, me and Joe, dude, Joe and I were putting on webinars for a year straight saying, guys, we think a bloodbath is, and this was spy 430, 420, 410, 370. We thought this was coming. And it's funny, dude, because when crypto, you know, let's just say Bitcoin, for instance, because that's the leader, just like spies the leader for the stock market, if Bitcoin can go from 69,000 to 18,000, the 18s where it's at right now, maybe 19,000 and spy can go from, God, what was the absolute high of spy? I wanna see what this actually was, like the total high. What was it a year? They was like, yeah, 480, right? Guys, to 350, and this can only be the start.  I don't care if you trade Pokemon cards. I don't care if you trade collectibles, beanie babies, stock market. When you chase, when you don't have the right entry on things, it is not only gonna cause you losses, it's gonna be a hellacious experience.  I saw the free training, it looks really cool. The only thing I know about the stock market is I went all in at Tesla at 900, you know, the pre-split or a thousand. And I go, well, there you got a couple of things to learn, my friend, because while you got into, you got a couple of things to learn called tax loss selling. That too. This is the point, guys. Most people who've heard about the stock market have a 401K or they're a normal dude who got a stock tip at a party and they throw absorbent amounts or large sums of money. It's something just, maybe it is good. Maybe it's the most talked about name in history. But guys, I just showed you what meta looks like. Meta is arguably what Alex top five of the world's biggest companies, like top 10. Yeah, something like that. Dude, and they're absolutely smoke-showed right now. Guys, think about it. Think about it.  Dude, I've got like a 180 average. Like I'm long-term invest in this, but I'm stuck in this, dude. But I'm not 400 stuck. I'm fucking, you know, I'm 180 stuck, 170s. But the point is, is yeah, portfolios are down. But then that's why we also have day trading. So it's like, guys, like figuring out where to put your money in this economy can be very hard, as Alex said. What 30-year treasury rates are the best we got and the inflation's still whooping that? It's- It's- It's gonna take time, bro. But on the side, though. On the side. Let's get to a Q&A, guys. Do you have any questions? Guys, question time. Like, who's got a question? Seriously, did you have questions about the watch list today? Did you? Tom, find a better resolution of that. That is so good. You guys better set your clock, set your reminders for 4 p.m. tomorrow, man. 4 p.m. tomorrow, guys. Very important. Market time. So at the close, we're releasing that video. You guys are gonna see why Alex is just as good as he is. And you guys are really gonna learn from it because I'm convinced, Alex, I'm truly convinced people don't learn by words. They learn by visual.  I would show you the watch list. You guys need to see this. You guys need to see these wonderful trades execute. So we're gonna do that. Is that video gonna release to the public or members? Alex, that's just members, right? All members. It's gonna be public. Oh, it is. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, the $145,000 is public and then all the other ones going forward are for lifetime hours only. Exclusive. Okay, cool. Yeah. Because I want everyone to see that $145,000 trade to really understand what we are all about here. Got it, got it, got it. And what's funny is I'll bet that day you're doing the Bed Bath Beyond one, right? Yeah, bet that. I'll bet if you guys go to the MIC archive and go to that day of the watch list, Alex did exactly what the watch list said and a lot of members made money as well following the same plan. Oh, here, I had a question about IMOX. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. I actually, what's that? Here, I'll go to the watch list as well. I'll read it. Guys, I'll read this out. IMOX today, now that it is broken, I will look for a balance towards 850, 875, 9, 925 lines to scale short, a wide range, so use less size. That was the plan for IMOX today. And Alex just posted. What, oh, hold on one sec, we're too short. Nice dude, hit it, 872, 865, can you guys see that? And dude, that's sick. That's sick. But that's the plan. That's exactly what the plan was. Like every single day, guys, we're giving you the plan.  Also, one more thing, Taj, I want to talk about in this video is the zombie market, man. I've been saying it every single day, is zombies are really, really active in this current market cycle. So because zombies are extremely, extremely active, that's why I'm trying to walk away. Bro, you'd be crazy not to. People are getting ripped on, man. Things are coming, that's why Stephen, dude, on that video or that post, I just showed you a Stephen, what he traded in the main trade. It's like, you have to wait for these things to come back all the way to get a scalp that resists a safe scalp because these things are reclaiming. Dude, it's like, look at the guy that was like, oh, I'll just hit it at VWAP. Bro, like freaking teleport candle through VWAP, man. It's like, you guys have to wait for the perfect entries. You have to be a sniper right now. And you have to, and like Alex said, you have to walk away, you have to be very disciplined. So size down to walk away a zombie. I completely agree, man. You guys get, look, you guys can use whatever size you want, but know what you're getting yourself into. Like Bao says, right? Like trade whatever you want, but have a plan and if you're wrong, stop the F out because that's, now you're just going against your plan. If you just keep adding for no reason or you're over sizing for no reason, et cetera, et cetera. Or your counter time-based trading. So longing during reversal hour or shorting right now in the last hour, especially the last 30 minutes, these are very dangerous tactics to take and build a good process around, you know? So it's very clear cut that way. Yeah. Zombie market, man, for sure. Guys, make your money. And what's crazy too is cause like, this is stuff you'll see in the zombie market as well. It's like, not even just like the first pop. Like a lot of markets, how many times where we just get the first pop in the morning dies out and then fades all day. So like the guy that's shorter right here got a great entry at 870, exactly per Alex's watch list didn't take this and like squeezed out and got squeezed out and stopped out right here and covered. Like that's the thing you see in zombie markets guys is just more tries, right? So zombie back and then total zombie back like throughout zombie hour and through the day instead of just, okay, out of line hit, you know, fade off a little bit, be under VWOP, hit the pops under VWOP, fading volume, which we usually see with something like that. No, it's accompanied with reclaims later or more volume picking up. You can see the volume building up right here until it kind of gets exacerbated and then it's real trouble. It's real trouble for shorts. That's the market that we're in. Alex sized down a big time for a reason or yet for a reason to protect himself from this market 100%. Alex, what would you say your number one thought process is right now make the money as quick as possible and balance as quick as possible? Size down. Yep. Instead of going for longer, bigger picture moves, take the easy money, start going long at 1030 AM zombie times and recognize that we're not really in a directional market where things just pick a directional day and just stick to that direction. We are in a chop market. And because we're in a chop market, we just got to be in and out. That's what I just said right here, guys. What Alex is referring to is this. This is that chop stuff. This would usually just bleed out for a little while and you may even have it down here. I'll just draw it, actually. You may have, how many times have you seen this where you get another five? How many times do you make the money, Tosh? And then the stock takes and like, okay, I'm just gonna get back in at about zombie times and then zombie times goes back to high day. Alex, that's what I'm saying, dude. I think that when you're a brand, like how many times does this chart do this and you have a second try at it? Dude, you messed up your first try here. Not you, Alex. I just mean the guy that, you know, shorted here didn't pay him.  Well, is this just gonna keep going? Because now we're getting near zombie hours. The zombie rule is fricking real, bro. The zombie rule is, the problem is that a lot of people, they don't follow the zombie rule for a month.  I was making money. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna make money nine times out of 10, but the one time that the zombie rule comes into a market cycle where it lasts one month, you know, you're dead. Yeah, and if it does chop you up every now and then, guys, like Alex just said, the market really changes and you're not getting away with much and you do lose on a couple of ones and they kind of hinder you a little bit, learn from it, now know what market you're in. So you gotta take that, or scalp. Trust me, trust me. Dude, I'm telling you, when Alex lays down the watch list, guys, so let me actually get rid of this real quick. When Alex lays down the watch list and he says, and I'll just ballpark this real quick, or where I was at Alex's post right here, I'll draw the parameters. Alex wants 8.50 on the initial push, which is right here, upwards of 9.25, if it can get there obviously within reason of scales. So you're not just, you know, shorting right here, right here, like you're scaling this. So this is the parameters of the scale zone that we want, which I can actually highlight for you guys if you want. This is a choppy market, bro. Like the market's not easy. So like, rather than the market already being harder, why you make it even harder on yourself? That's what I'm saying. So guys, instead of trying to get a homerun trade out of this, if you can get your initial scalp in the fur, this is it, this is the moneymaker in this market. You coming back and trying to hit this and that, that's the hard part. That's where you're beating kind of a dead horse. You're just, it's just, you're trying to squeeze so much out of this lead.  Just get that first one. Yeah, it is also, Tosh. I think a big thing is like during these slow times of market action, it's a good reason for us to kind of double down on our education. And I think these live trades are coming out at the perfect time where it's slow in the market. Well, this is the time to kind of refine your craft and you are going to have the best tool to refine your craft, which is, you know, live trading then. Bro, 1000% and guys, this is actually, believe it or not, a market like this is one of the number one reasons why we say, don't quit your day job.  Like dude, make your immediate scalp that Alex made on iMux Day, go to your job and you don't even have to worry about it. Now I want to post this Brian real quick on YouTube. This is brilliant Brian. Yeah, this is, no, this is perfectly said. He goes, I'm not a scalper but I find myself scalping in this market works wonders. Sometimes overstay my welcome and give up a chunk or much worse losses, Brian. That is the state of the market that we're in. So we're not getting away with much. It's what we call, if you're not, it sounds like you're not a member Brian. So what we're referring to as zombies is, zombies is a market where the volume picks back on it. It comes out of nowhere, it comes back and these stocks come back from the quote unquote dead. And this is where being a long-term position holder or a swing trader is a little bit hindering. This is a snappy market, man. You got to get the ideal entry, take the first or second initial scalp and then bro, go along your way and wait until the market is a little bit more forgiving to do those longer term trades, right? So this is the stuff that we teach and I think you can really benefit if you're not necessarily a scalper to also learn that skill set.  So when the market does kind of offer these very quick, these quick chops, you know how to navigate correctly, you know? I mean, guys, it's funny, man. If I go to the guys, look, we created the, our bow created this so long ago. You know why there's a fish on here? There's a fish on here because you are a fish in price action, just trying to swim throughout the current and know where there's an edge, know where the sharks are, know where the squeezes are, know where the whales are, et cetera, et cetera. Like there's a reason why the trading fish is a fish, you know?  So knowing that this is the only thing you need in this market right now, this first initial scalp, which Alex had on his watch list and not to be a greedy bastard and actually take the money and pay yourself so you don't get this tsunami of a wave to take that little guppy out, that's what we're talking about.  In fact, let me go to the main trading chat because I pulled up a really, really good example for them. I think the key is guys, don't be discouraged if you're following the rules and following the process, it'll work. But just in case it does not work and you're still red as part of the process don't be yourself up. Guys, nine line, whole and a half dollar, what is Steven doing? He's waiting for this to squeeze right back up and he started hitting into it at this area. You guys see that? That is not getting chopped up in here. That's not being early. He waited for a sniper entry. That's what we teach in that and that is what is needed in this market are sniper entries. As Tom just said, greed kills, man. Greed is brutal in a market like this, bro. Absolutely smoked. Is that clear for you guys? Do you have any questions on that or this market on what we just said? I like to give enough time for people to kind of think it out and have questions, but and it's funny because some days there's endless questions and some days people I think just kind of listen. So it's funny, Alex. I've always seen, I'm gonna say this, I'll say this probably, I've always seen so fewer questions when you're on a webinar because when you come on, I swear to God, people just listen. Like they just listen, dude. I'm okay with that. It's so funny.  It's like the lone gunman arrived in the saloon and everybody's like, what's he gonna do?  Alex is that lone gunslayer. Guys, any, literally any question on anything. So like what's going on in the market, you know, how you can navigate. Ben knows what I'm talking about. I've seen it every webinar.  Come on tomorrow. Well, live trade is coming tomorrow, bro. I think I wanted to wait for that. I think so too, man. Alex, we can wrap this up early unless you have anything that you kind of wanna add, brother. No, we can wrap it up, guys. We can wrap it up. Just be on the lookout, more live trades coming, more day trading vlogs coming. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it. I mean, I'm trying to spice up the content for MIC, I'm trying to do stuff that's kind of fun for me, teaching my friend how to trade is fun, trying to record these live trades is fun.  So you guys are gonna see all that. Yeah, my favorite thing, dude, still in this day is Alex will have his best day ever guys. It's like the day that he had like AMC and I'm like, Alex, what are you doing to celebrate, man?  Yeah, I think I got Wendy's, yeah, I don't remember. Dude, I think, yeah, every day that you have a really good day, bro, I swear to God, you had like Carl's Jr. or Wendy's. Like, I'm like, so you make a million dollars, you make three quarters and all you want is a burger? Right now it's 340 and I want a beer, so. What are you drinking, dude? I got some Corona on the fridge, dude. Are you a Corona with lime guy or just a Corona? Corona with lime, are you crazy, bro?  You can't trust those people, bro. No, no, no, bro, not, no, a real lime, like you cut it up and put it in. Yeah, bro, what are the limes over there? I'm talking about, because there's like Bud Light with lime, bro, where it's like an added...  It's like, it's like adding like coloring.  Let me get my Bud Light with lime, dude.  Guys, here's a cool trick. I haven't drank it in three years, but not cause like I was an alcoholic or anything. I just, I'm just super health conscious, like in every way, shape, and form. And I miss it a lot, but I was a big beard. It's not that good about alcohol, bro. Bro, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This is the most recommended thing on the planet if you're a beer drinker. I don't know if you're into this, Alex. Bro, beer salt. I used to carry around one of these with me, like almost every time I went to lunch. So they're like pocket sized, bro. They're like two inches.  So go drink your beer, bro. I think tomorrow is gonna be super fun, guys. I swear to God, when we tell you as a community, as an organization, as a company, as friends, as literally personal friends, as educators, whatever form, that we're trying to make this as best as possible or the industry is as good for you and more efficient, we're not kidding. So please, please, please, please, please, I'm like begging you guys to watch these live trade videos that we've poured a lot of work in this, especially Alex and the website, what we've done and Joe Kelly and the whole team and give us the feedback. We want to hear. Like we really wanna hear if you like them and if it's making a difference because if we produce something, especially on the content side, like these webinars or whatever, that really makes a difference for you, we gotta hear it because now we're gonna double and triple down on things like that. So I've incorporated something new every single week. I love doing the MIC highlight reel. I'm really good at compartmentalizing and really good at organizing. I have the beer sold on my desk right now.  You got the beer sold and the 12 gauge, dude. You do not have beer sold. I had no idea you'd know about that, bro. I think it does not screw around, bro. That is great. Oh my God. Well guys, last thing and I'll just say this because I don't know if I said this before, but if you have any questions, again, just here's the number on the website, main page, book a call, click this link. It's gonna literally just take you to an order form. You can book a call with me, go to my Google calendar, we'll answer your questions. Then hopefully if you feel like MIC is a good place for you, then we'll give you the confidence to at least figure that out. And I think it really would be because it's a fun-ass time, man. We're a great community. So guys, hit us up, text. If you have any questions, we'll get that through. Look for the video tomorrow and we will see you next week. Cool. See you, Alex. Bye.


Hello. Good afternoon, Diane. Hi, Wayne. Annie Vaughn. And me. Oh, hi, Scott. Good chair test since we're a couple of minutes before 1.30, we can just hold off for a little bit. All right, chair test. If you'd like to go ahead and call the meeting to order. Hi, I'd like to begin with item number one, call this meeting to order. This is to remind the commissioners to keep your audio on mute unless they are speaking. Commissioners other than the chair can mute themselves. Staff will remain muted until meeting to speak. As members of the public join the meeting, you will be participating as an attendee. Your microphone and camera will be muted. Only today's panelists will be viewed during the meeting. If you're calling in from a telephone and choose to speak during the public comments portion of today's agenda for privacy concerns, the host will be renaming your viewable phone number to resident and the last four digits of your phone number. 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Public comment will be limited to three minutes and a timer will appear on the screen for the commission and public to see. For today's agenda, public comment will be limited to the items listed on the special meeting agenda. Okay, item two, roll call. Okay, we'll go ahead and do an attendance roll call and we will start with commissioner Rawhouser. Here. And then commissioner McWhorter. Here. Commissioner LaPenna. Here. Commissioner Downey. Here. Commissioner Burke. Here. Vice chair Owen. Here. And chair test. Here. Let the record reflect that all commissioners are present. Thank you. Item number three, statements of abstention. Any commissioner, any statements of abstention by commissioners? Seeing none, we'll move to item number four, report items. Item number 4.1. Good afternoon. Item 4.1 is a report, July 2021 project-based voucher request or proposals. Funding recommendation for Bennett Valley Apartments. Julie Garan, a program specialist, will be presenting. Good afternoon commissioners, staff, and public present today. My name is Julie Garan and I'll be presenting on the July 2021 request for proposals for project-based vouchers and the funding recommendation they're in. All right, so the summary of the RFP, the RFP was issued on July 23rd, 2021 with a due date of August 11th, 2021. There were 30 project-based vouchers available. The RFP was targeted to projects specifically for those projects dedicated to permanent supportive housing for people who have experienced homelessness. And we received proposals for 62 units of PVV or project-based vouchers across three projects during this application. So here you will see a list of these six proposal ranking categories. And the proposal categories were project dedication to housing the homeless for a total possible 20 points, experience with similar projects for 10 possible points, project location for 10 possible points, commitment to providing long-term affordable housing for 20 possible points, on-site supportive services for 20 possible points, and affordability for 20 possible points, for a total of 100 possible points in the proposal ranking criteria. So we, as mentioned before, we've received three project applications for project-based vouchers for a total of 62 project-based vouchers. We received an application from Bennett Valley Apartments who has a total of 62 units and they were requesting 30 project-based vouchers. They scored 90 out of 100 and ranked first, number one. We received an application from Hearns Veterans Village who has a total of 32 units and they requested 27 project-based vouchers. They scored 75 out of 100 and ranked two second. We received an application from Mahonia Glenn who has a total of 99 units and was requesting five project-based vouchers. They scored 60 out of 100 and ranked third. August 30th, 2021, an ad hoc committee reviewed the proposals. And the ad hoc committee came to a recommendation to award 30 vouchers to the top-ranking project Bennett Valley Apartments. The ad hoc committee recommendation was unanimous. Here you see a locational graphic of the project Bennett Valley Apartments that is being recommended for the 30 project-based vouchers is at the address 702 Bennett Valley Road, these on the site of the old Bennett Valley Senior Center Complex. All right, the Bennett Valley Apartments proposal. The developer for Bennett Valley Apartments is Freebird Development Company, LLC. This is a new construction on the former site of Bennett Valley Senior Center Complex. There are 62 total units and 49% of the units are targeted for homeless individuals. And there are 30 project-based vouchers being recommended for the project. On included in the proposal is on-site staff to provide for the on-site services specifically targeted to formerly homeless. Again, this RFP was released to serve formerly homeless. And so part of the application was including on-site services for that pop-targeted population. On-site staff include a full-time clinical case manager, a full-time services coordinator, and a program manager. And on-site services targeted to the population include clinical assessments, counseling, case conferencing coordination for off-site primary health care services, case management, housing stability support, health education, recreational activities, community building activities, financial literacy, computer training, employment assistance, conflict resolution, and mediation, and access to off-site vocational training. That is some of the on-site supportive services included. We couldn't fit all of them on the slide. There's more besides listed. So continuing on with the Bennett Valley Apartments Proposal Summary, the affordability mix was 32 units at 30% AMI, 29 units at 50% AMI, and one unrestricted managers unit. The unit mix is a 19-0 bedroom, 19-1 bedroom, 12-2 bedroom, and 12-3 bedroom. An environmental review, a National Environmental Policy Act, NEPA, Environmental Assessment is completed already for the project. And the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act or CEQA. Okay, now we'll go over the scoring for Bennett Valley Apartments. So in the category of project dedication to housing the homeless for a total of possible points of 20, Bennett Valley Apartments received 15 out of 20, 49% of the units will be dedicated to housing the formerly homeless. In order to receive 20 out of 20, you would have had to be over 50%. In the second category, experience with similar projects, Bennett Valley scored 10 out of 10 for four completed projects in the region. Five projects are in pre-development and significant development and management experience outside of the region, including with similar projects. For projects location, Bennett Valley scored 10 out of 10. The project is located in a census tract with a poverty rate at or below 20%, determined in the most recent American Community Survey five-year estimate. Project location is actually one of the scoring criteria that is mandated to be included in all product-based voucher requests for proposals. Commitment to providing long-term affordable housing is the next category and Bennett Valley Apartments scored 20 out of 20. They self-scored for CDLAC and MHP at a top 1% of total possible points. They are applying to the upcoming multi-family housing program, which is due in this month, 9, 20, 2021. This RFP was released with the intent to improve the financial feasibility of projects seeking upcoming competitive funding, including this MHP funding round. The next category, on-site supportive services. Bennett Valley Apartments scored 20 out of 20 with extensive and targeted on-site supportive services for formerly homeless population, including also on-site professional supportive staff to provide those services. And in the last category, affordability, Bennett Valley Apartments scored 15 out of 20. The project has 51% of restricted units or more at 50% AMI or below. The unit affordability mix is 32 units targeted to households with incomes up to 30% of area medium income AMI, 29 units targeted to household incomes up to 50% AMI, and one unrestricted managers unit. So out of the six rating criteria, Bennett Valley Apartments scored 90 out of 100 for a total of 90%. Projects not being recommended for funding. We received two other applications. Hernd's Veterans Village ranked second with a total of 75 out of 100 points, and Mahoney and Glenn ranked third with a total of 60 out of 100 possible points. So the recommendation, it is recommended by the Housing Authority AdHoc Review Committee and the Housing and Community Services Department, that the Housing Authority by resolution approve a conditional commitment of 30 project-based vouchers to Freebird Development Company, LLC, for Bennett Valley Apartments located at 702 Bennett Valley Road, 716 Bennett Valley Road, 921 Rutledge Avenue and 927 Rutledge Avenue, Santa Rosa, California. Thank you. Now we have our last slide with questions and discussions. Thank you, Julie. Housing commissioners, if you have any questions of staff, could you please raise your electronic hand, which is either at the bottom of the screen or the top of your screen, depending on which technology you have. I see Dr. Downey, would you like to ask a question? Yes, hi Julie, can you hear me? Yes. Okay. A couple of scenarios, if I was in a situation of being homeless, would this opportunity be targeted towards people who are currently in shelters? Or would this opportunity be available for people who wouldn't be living in their car? And then as far as the income, how would the income, how would my income play into my eligibility? If I'm to say 20% or below AMI, or do I have to have some sort of an income threshold to be eligible to transition from my car or a homeless shelter to a potential dwelling? So Dr. Downey, thank you for the question, I'll take that. So the unit mix is based on area median income, so the families who are going into those specific units will need to be eligible for that particular income level. And for the project-based vouchers specifically, the income level for the project-based voucher program is the same as the tenant-based program, which requires that participants are at or below 50% of the area median income. And so far as how the project will identify people who are interested in applying, that is all part of the outreach and marketing plan that the Housing Authority will also participate in because of the connection to the project-based vouchers. So it sounds like it doesn't matter if I'm in a shelter or my car, as long as I fill out an application and I can demonstrate my housing situation is consistent with what this opportunity is. And yet I would still have to have some sort of gratifiable income to be eligible for one of these units, is that what you're saying? Well, not necessarily for the project-based vouchers, you wouldn't necessarily have to have an income at the time that you applied, that wouldn't be a requirement of the voucher, no. Thank you. Commissioner Allen, Vice Chair Allen. Thank you. So the question is there's 30 project-based vouchers, but the project has studio units, one bedroom, two bedrooms and three bedrooms. So are the vouchers specifically for a bedroom size or are they spread across those? How does that work? Yes, that's in the supporting materials in the application. I don't have that right off the top of my head, but Julie might and we can look it up just a moment here. Hi, yeah, let me, it's in the staff report. I'm sorry, I didn't have that specifically prepared, but I can find the breakdown here of the PVV units. Just one moment. So of the 30 project-based voucher units, 12 will be zero bedroom, 12 will be one bedroom and three will be two bedroom and three will be three bedroom units. Thank you. And then one other question is they're going in for their financing with MHP at the state level at $15.1 million and they have tax credits, is if they do not receive that funding source, what happens to these vouchers? Is there a time when is to when these are made available? Yes, if they're not successful in the application that this RFP was intended to leverage then, they do have the commitment remaining for another, I believe it's three funding rounds over the next two years. Okay, so it's a commitment for two years. Thank you. If I can interject as well, this is Interim Director Bassinger, that's included in the resolution. It is the second condition of commitment in the resolution, the timeline for them to obtain their financing. Thank you. Commissioner Raul Houser. Yeah, I was curious regarding the selection of residents with the homeless population having a lot of mental illness and drug use. How will the residents be chosen to be a good cohesive living community that can improve their lifestyle instead of it being a holding pen for people who are just cycling through their issues and not going anywhere? Well, the tenant selection process will have to follow their housing law. And we're hopeful and anticipate that all the supportive services that are being offered on site will help address community issues, such as what you've raised. Thank you. Any other questions? Commissioner Burke. Thank you, Chair Tess. I was one of the three members of the committee and I was impressed with the three projects that were presented as opportunities for funding and the process the staff put together, I thought made a lot of sense and was very well thought out. And also the committee did, I think, a good job of asking questions and considering the options. I'm interested in hearing any comments that might come our way from any of the applicants before making additional comments, but I just wanted to say that the process seemed to me to work very well. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? Okay. We will move on and open the public comments on item number 4.1. We are now taking public comments on item 4.1. If you wish to make a comment via Zoom, please raise your hand. If you are dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. You will have three minutes. Our first public comment will be from Mary followed by Robin. Mary, I have enabled your speaking permissions. Mary, there might be a pop-up that's allowing you to unmute yourself. Okay. Great. Perfect. Good afternoon. Do you see the timer on your screen? I do not. Oh, thank you. That's because I didn't share it. I'm glad I asked. Great. Okay. There we go. Okay. Wonderful. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for considering this application. My name is Mary Haynes and I'm the site director at Nations Finest Santa Rosa and we're the lead service provider for the Hearn Veterans Village application. And I was just wondering if it would be possible to re-score the section on or about onsite supportive services. This particular project would have a full-time resident service coordinator who would be providing case management and clinical support to all of the residents who reside there. Also, the project is located directly behind Hearn Behavioral Health Center, which is a program that provides mental health and substance abuse treatment to homeless veterans. And that program has a very large full-time staff with a licensed clinical social worker, clinical director, staff on call and a number of other supportive positions. And all of the residents at the Hearn Veterans Village would be invited to participate in groups and also other community activities onsite. So I just feel that the 10 out of 20 score might not have reflected those positive services that each of the residents would have. Thank you. Our next public comment will be from Robin followed by Craig. Robin, I have enabled your speaking permissions. Okay, can everybody hear me? We can, let me get the timer back to zero and your time begins now. Great, thanks so much. This is Robin Zimbler. I am the founder and manager of Free Bird Development, one of the co-developers of Bennett Valley Apartments. So I wanted to thank the Housing Authority for their continued support for our project. If we're awarded the 30 project-based vouchers, the award will definitely help us maximize our competitiveness under the upcoming state MHP round, which is due a week from today. I did want to just comment on a couple of things. Number one, just a quick update on the scoring or correction on the scoring. We are over 50% homeless. There were only 30 project-based vouchers available. So we only applied for 30 project-based vouchers, but we are over 50% homeless in order to maximize our competitiveness under state programs. So anyway, just wanted to add that since it was, we did sounds like we didn't get five points that maybe we should have gotten, but we're still obviously very happy to be recommended for an award. I did also want to address just a couple of the questions that came up with respect to tenant selection and incomes. So with respect to tenant selection for the homeless units, we have been working with and talking to the county, our intent is to get tenant referrals through the coordinated entry system through the county, and they send referrals based on those individuals and families who are deemed most vulnerable. So again, that would all be coordinated in partnership with the county. With respect to the incomes, as Julie noted, 32 units are affordable up to 30% of AMI, but we actually, our affordability targeting is actually much deeper than 30% of AMI. So for those 32 units, about two thirds of them are at 15% of AMI, and about a third of them are at 20% of AMI. So it's actually lower than the 30% of AMI. And finally, I just want to add again, FreeBird is just one of the developers on this project. The other developer is Allied Housing, and their affiliate abode services is very involved in the project as well. Allied Housing has a long history of developing projects for formerly homeless, and their services affiliate abode housing has 20, 30 years experience providing services to people experiencing homelessness. So again, I just wanted to thank you and then address some of the questions that came up. Our next public comment will be Craig, followed by Trevor. Craig, I have enabled your speaking permissions. Thank you so much. Let me get the timer going. I had a technological difficulty with it. Okay, your time begins now. Thank you so much. My name is Craig Meltzer and my associate Barbara. Counter and I are project management consultants to community housing Sonoma County for the Herndvets Village project. We would like to express our appreciation for the prior housing authority support for Herndvets Village. However, we do wish to contest the staff scoring on two aspects of the project-based voucher application. We self-scored our project at 100 points. We were notified that we received 75 points, and we'd like to address the two criteria in which we were not awarded full points. And the first category has to do with long-term affordable housing commitment. And the staff comments refer to the lack of eligibility of the project to apply for MHP funding and the project requiring more than 25% of the units to be project-based voucher assisted to be financially feasible. The actual criteria, again, appendix A, under commitment to providing long-term affordable housing references that the project will receive or pursue long-term affordable housing financing through a competitive process by a federal, state, or local government. Herndvets Village has received $285,000 from the housing authority, including home funding. So the project has in fact already received a commitment of competitive funding from the local housing authority. Secondly, the project plans to and indicated in the application plans to apply for state homelessness prevention and housing program assistance, BIP assistance in the 2022 application round as well as an allocation of tax credits and bond financing. It's an integral part of the financing plan for Herndvets Village and has been presented as such in the project-based voucher application. From that perspective, we believe that the project should receive the full 20 points. Yes, the project does require more than 50% of the units to be project-based voucher assisted for feasibility. The recommended project, however, has 30 of 62 units as project-based voucher assisted. Therefore, the implication from my perspective as a housing finance professional is that the project feasibility of that project similarly relies on the income stream from the 30 PVVs. Second category that we would like to contest the staff comments on, and by the way, I'm hoping I can have a few more minutes since we are representing one of the applicants for funding. Is that okay? Certainly, go ahead. Thank you. Second criteria was the availability of on-site supportive services for the project. Mary Haynes from Nation's Finest spoke briefly about the capacity and depth of supportive services available on-site at Herndvets Village. These were all spelled out in the application to the Housing Authority. The Housing Authority application included reference to over 1.3 FTE supportive services staffing and the budget to support that level of staffing. The final point I would make is that our project proposes 100% of the units for homeless vets. Therefore, it actually represents a superior proposal in terms of the percentage of units serving the homeless than the recommended project. We would appreciate your consideration of these comments, rescoring of our application, and more of at least some of the project these vouchers to Herndvets Village. Our next public comment will be from Trevor. Trevor, I have enabled your speaking permissions. And let me get the timer restarted. And your time begins now. Okay, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you. Just piggybacking really quick off of what Mary Haynes said. My name is Trevor Thompson. I'm the Assistant Site Director at Nation's Finest in Santa Rosa. And I just wanted to piggyback off of some of those other supportive services that would be offered at the Herndvets Village because the Hernd Behavioral Health Center is on the property. We have 24-hour staff that's available on the program for the residents there. And also a connection to our Nation's Finest 10th Street Office, which has the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program, an employment grant through the Department of Labor, access to that, supportive services of veteran families, a VA-funded SSVF grant. Also, we have personal connections with a lot of the HUD-VASH team at the VAC box in town. And Nation's Finest as a whole has been in this community for celebrating our 50th year this year. We started in Sonoma County and for 50 years we've been specializing in serving veterans and the community through different outreach procedures and different grants to not only get veterans off the streets but into permanent housing and making sure that they're successful. That's all I have, thank you very much. Chair Tess, that is all of the hands raised for public comment. Thank you. Okay, now we have finished public comments. Is there a motion? Are you seeking a motion in advance of a response from the staff on some of the questions raised? Yes. Chair Tess. Yes. Okay, for the purpose of opening up the discussion I would make the motion to find the resolution here in a second. Resolution, make a motion of the resolution of the Housing Authority of the City of Santa Rosa allocating 30 project-based housing choice voucher for Bennett Valley Apartments awarding to Freebird Development Company LLC under a 20-year project-based housing assistance payments contract and waive the reading of the text. Thank you, Commissioner Burke. At this point, I would like to see if we can... Oh, Commissioner Allen, did you have a question or motion? Now I'll second the motion. So, Chair Tess, I would, and I'm always a little confused on the rules of order that are not the Robert's rules of order. There, if we get the name that we're using now, Colberg maybe, that a discussion can ensue following a motion in a second with more information to come before the members of the Housing Authority before a final vote. And if my understanding of that is correct, and maybe Megan or Jeff Burke can help us on that point, that's how I would anticipate the discussion proceeding. Yes, at this time, it would be appropriate if there were comments from staff or from the commissioners or any further discussion based on the public comment. This would be an appropriate time to have that. Thank you. I would be interested in comments from staff on the rescoring requests on the Hearn Village Project. Perfect, thank you. We did analyze based on the comments and feedback that we received from the Hearn Veterans Village applicants. And even considering the comments, the proposal would still have ranked second. And in addition to that, we are anticipating that, there will be additional funding rounds that Hearn Veterans Village or others would be eligible to apply for. This won't be our last project-based voucher request for proposals. And the Benevalent Project is applying for funding this year that the project-based vouchers can assist in leveraging. Rebecca, I had a question. So you mentioned that there may be future funding rounds for project-based vouchers on this particular type. Have an estimate when that would be, would it be early 22 or what's your general estimate on that? Yes, well, what we generally have been doing in the last few years is trying to time the release of our RFPs with the intent to leverage additional funding. So we keep an eye on SIDLAC and TCAC and other funding applications as they're coming available to try and make sure that we're using the project-based voucher resources in the most efficient way possible to stretch for further dollars. So it could certainly next calendar year, I guess, we'll be anticipating releasing additional RFPs. And in the last meeting, just as a reminder for all of the commissioners and public, in our April meeting of this year, determined that additional project-based voucher funding applications would be for two populations, two target populations, one being homeless and the other being veterans. Thank you. Any more comments from staff or commissioners? I guess I would like a little more information on, Rebecca, you indicated that the information that was received, it was, I'm sure, in your hands before today, would it result in some changes in your scoring or even if those changes have been made, it would still result in a lower score? And maybe a little bit more detail about your analysis on that. I mean, I know we're up against the funding opportunity that could be missed if we don't take action today and that concerns me, but I'm also interested in a little bit of kind of your take given the, you know, kind of what I was hearing from some of the Sparks people representing the HIRM project was that they believe that the scoring would have been equal to or greater than the 90 points that were received by the Benna Valley project. Can you talk a little bit more about, I'm not pointing to, so I better understand. I agree, I'd like to hear that too. Sure. The loan application site for HIRM Veterans Village sites, four out of five loans that were not yet submitted. Let me just bring this up to a closer screen so I can, sorry, pardon me. So the HIRM application, loan application cited four out of five loans that were not yet submitted, including two future Santa Rosa Housing Authority NOFAS and over $4 million in TCAC funding. They were not eligible to apply for the upcoming MHP funding. And this RFP did identify the MHP funding as one of the possible sources of funds that we're intending to leverage. To quote the RFP Santa Rosa Housing Authority is releasing this RFP with the intent to improve the financial feasibility of projects, seeking other competitive financing, and this RFP is specifically projects dedicated to permanent supportive housing for people who have experienced homelessness. So in terms of the scoring regarding the commitment to providing long-term affordable housing, it was the loans that have not yet been submitted that gave the project lower scores in that category. And insofar as the scoring for onsite for services that are being provided, the applicant provided information for onsite services, but the application did not specify the type of onsite staff and that is where the scoring was lower in that category. Thank you, that helps me a great deal. Thank you. Dr. Downey, you have a question. Just want to have a comment to feed off of Steve Berger. I'm aware that the funding opportunities are very time-sensitive and I just wanted to reiterate that that is the case for this particular application. Thank you. Commissioner Rawhouser, did you have a comment also? We can't hear you. Sorry. So it's my understanding that the vets problem was they don't have the secure financing and they weren't very clear as to the totality of the services they can offer to the residents and that's why they got the lower score because they didn't have the secured financing and they didn't express clearly the services they'd be able to offer. Those are the two categories, yes. Okay, thank you. And they didn't basically rise to the occasion which the other project fulfilled all those. Correct. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? Commissioner LaPana, did you have a question or comment? No. No, everything was answered. Thank you. Thank you. So we have a motion and a second. So, Clark, do you want to move forward? Okay, at this point, we will take a roll call vote on the resolution. We'll start with Commissioner Rawhouser. Commissioner McWhorter. Aye. Commissioner LaPana. Aye. Commissioner Downey. Commissioner Downey. Thank you, muted. Commissioner Burke. Aye. Vice Chair Owen and Chair Test. The motion passes unanimously with seven ayes. The resolution, excuse me. Thank you. The last one on our agenda is adjournment. Chair Test, I have my hand raised if just one final course. I would be interested in some time in the not too distant future to have an opportunity for a site tour of the Hearn project. And maybe that's something that I can arrange. If I'm the only one interested, I can arrange that on my own or if there's other members of the Housing Authority interested, they might want to join me just to visit the project to kind of get a more in-depth feel for the project. This is the only one that's in existence of the three that we're looking at right now that may change in the future. Thank you. I think that's a good idea. I think we do have the COVID restrictions, but there may be a way around doing that. I think that's a great idea. Yeah. Chair Test, if I may interject, the existing facility at Hearn is undergoing rehab as you may remember from a rehab loan you provided in February. So once that is complete, it would be a great opportunity to take a look at the site and the improvements that you assisted with. That would be great. Sounds great. Great. Okay. The meeting is adjourned. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to the public.