ith Donny Gull, and I suppose until we start to turn the corner again, we just talked about Derry, different counties go up and down a bit, but for really Donny Gull, people support people. We've got to still have that bit of, I suppose, pride and back to lads in terms of what they're trying to do, because everybody in there is trying to do their best, Greg, and there's just so many sequence of events that's led to taking us a wee bit of a downward turn. But these things will turn again, don't they? Yeah. What did anything else jump out at you from the weekend? May all look strong? Yeah, you know what? You're trying to figure out games from different games. Yeah. So if you look at how we played against Down, Down in Division III, Clear in Division II, but Clear were relegated and Down were very unlucky not to go up. Really Down's on an upward trajectory. Clear on the Downward. And I was thinking the one that they came to similar, it looks like, you know, to Clear, we took them apart in the second half and they were at home. So you're looking at May all, we're asking them to do a job on them, and then you're thinking, right, you know, they're playing handy matches. Next thing is May all team who are good sides must have went away and really put the shoulder to the wheel of comeback for us and just took Kerry apart. That said, they probably should have won by a lot more, Greg, and not scoring goals has been a big issue for them, and they had a lot of chances. Yeah, but they go for goals. I mean, there's a strong argument to say that, and they got away with it this time, but there was a lot of points available there and they opted to go for goal. And I liked, pardon me, likes that too. Don't get me wrong, but if we were, if they'd lost by one or two, it would all be about, you know, take your points and the goals will come. Yeah, yeah, and you mentioned support there and the lads and that. Look at the Mayo support, Greg. It's always fanatical, and I know they've been up about the top this long time all out in finals and that, but it doesn't seem to matter even if they get beat the next season. Firstly, again, you can guarantee packed house, you know, they support them. So I think all that there pushes young people to want to play for Donegal and represent that. So I think we've got to be wary of that. Even times are hard.  Yeah, right. OK, you'll be running through all the action as we mentioned the guests already, but also former Donegal star, Jungle Day, he's in studio to give his opinions on the weekend's action with an in-depth look as we mentioned there as Donegal's win in the New All Island series of Way to Clarence, of course, then what is to come. The show's live just after 7pm, this evening after the news, you can podcast it there after 2onehighlandradio.com and you can listen to the deal, debate and association with Sarah's Kitchen at Sister Sarah's letter, Kenny. And of course, you're focusing on all of that and then not too far down the line too, if you don't mind me mentioning it.  Yes, yes. Myself and Brad is going to document it, Greg. So we do a bit of work for plan in my spare time, sponsoring kids. So I sponsor once myself and then from that charity night you were at last year, March of 23. So I'm going out to meet some of the kids and just document the trip on that. So there is a wee bit of Al Qaeda in the north of the country. I've been joking with Brad as you make a kidnap will be the Togo too. So you never know what will happen out there, but there's a lot of safety protocols. I can't believe the amount of stuff you have to go through to go out there. It's between visas and permission from here and government and forums and that, you know. So yeah, you fly in the Paris in those 10 hours out to Togo. So there's a lady from Planet and I still come with us as well. So we're going to see the work that they do out there on the ground and as I say, meet some of the kids that we sponsor.  So you obviously have that, sometimes that bit of a disconnect from someone in another part of the world, another continent. So we're going to try and kind of bridge that gap a wee bit and just bring home that kind of human nature of who you're helping out over there. Yeah, and being able to document it too, it makes it more as you go and sort of try and encourage others to do it. They get to see actually what's going on on the ground and the connection between that donation and who they're helping, which is going to be really, really useful. Listen, we have a few more shows to go before that, so we'll chat to you next Monday. 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Dr Shila Gilhaney is CEO you're welcoming this move we certainly are you know this is something that public health advocates have been looking for practicing nearly a decade at this stage and indeed that the legislation was originally passed and nearly five years ago and it's only now actually being implemented and as you say another three years towards you know actually will appear on a bottle so as you can see with all of these measures and things seem to take a very long time but it's definitely a positive thing you know it's really giving consumers I suppose and you know it's factual information that simply hasn't really been available to them to date so the labels themselves are fairly modest they're text-based they give information about pregnancy warning they're not drinking pregnancy links between alcohol fatal cancer and link between alcohol and liver disease as well as some basic information about the calories and the amount of grams of alcohol in the product but we don't really want to talk about it it seems as a nation about the negative impacts of of drinking alcohol you'll see at the same time as the government signing this into law they're also looking to extend opening hours liberalizing licensing laws we have off licenses on every corner now and we're going to have even more coming down the line more opportunity for people to drink drinking into the very early hours of the morning despite you know you people involved in alcohol harm saying this is the wrong way to go so is this discrete labeling really feel just like a token when you look at everything else we're doing we're saying you know get it into you that's how it that's how it comes across yeah well I would certainly say that there's a policy mismatch between what the Department of Health are seeking because they're actually looking to reduce alcohol use and by about 20% and in the country and they try to do that through a series of measures including minimum unit pricing these labels but and some controls on the advertising of alcohol products and all of this would come out of legislation past from 2018 but then exactly as you say we have another department this is the Department of Justice who are bringing forward legislation to increase the availability of alcohol and one of the things that we would say is that you know alcohol is such a serious issue in Ireland like literally four people die today another four will die tomorrow over 1500 a day in the year it costs us about 3.7 billion takes up about 11% of the health care budget we need any any of these statistics would be enough you would feel for a government to take gosh this is a serious problem and we really need to tackle it one of things that we would be suggesting is that there is a need for a central office and something maybe a bit like the RSA who safety authority but an office that would take a holistic approach to alcohol harm reduction and I suppose really firstly try to look at the policy measures which are needed do the data analysis that's needed around it to really research and see what's going on and then to coordinate right across all departments because there's quite a number of different departments have an interest if you say if you like within alcohol so you have the Department of Finance who would set duties or excise rates but those rates haven't been increased in 10 years so their value has been absolutely eroded by inflation and then you have the Department of Justice and there's other departments and then you come back to something like the Department of Health or indeed Department of Children who could be picking up really quite considerable tabs in trying to address the problem when in fact what would probably be better is if we could if you like turn off the top a little bit or at least reduce the pressure at source. Yeah but even looking through the stats and I get it two out of three people will receive a diagnosis of an alcohol related cancer 16 babies will be born with lifelong conditions of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder 120 people will be hospitalized today being treated for alcohol related liver disease four people will die from alcohol that's that's tragic but it doesn't talk of the addiction the disruption to families the domestic violence the fatal road traffic collisions you know those statistics almost feel as serious as they are the tip of the iceberg. Absolutely I completely agree like 200,000 children today and having in homes that are seriously impacted by alcohol harm and you know and as I say there's any any number of different statistics that we could could use to try and highlight the harm that's there so as I say I do feel that one of one of the things that is difficult for us is sometimes we instinctively know yes there is a bit of harm from alcohol but at the same time we don't want to know it and one of the reasons that we don't want to know it is that we're surrounded by a massive amount of alcohol marketing we're exposed to something like about 115 millions worth every year of alcohol marketing and that doesn't even count things like sponsorship of sporting activities and things like that that's just you know you know billboards and TV ads and things like that actually they almost the basics of it but we get such a powerful measure a powerful and I suppose it infiltrates our environment to such an extent that it can be difficult for people just to sort of step back from it and say actually do you know something this is a serious problems really do need to be addressed so we look and see what we've done around tobacco for example well first things that really made a difference with banning the advertising off of tobacco and cigarettes and smoking and that is one of the things that helped people I suppose in that broader thing to say actually this is a harmful product and it needs to be regulated in a way that simply hasn't been done to date as you would just say there's almost like a free for all because we have had to have available literally in every town in every corner you know of where we live they even want to allow it to be delivered when someone is so paralytic at three in the morning that they can't leave the house they wanted a situation whereby you can deliver alcohol so like I'm speaking to you and others we've got fantastic representatives locally as well that we speak to who are calling for things to tighten up yet we're going in the other direction a report out this morning four and a half thousand students were polled asking you know how their parents or guardians might view them if they got drunk you know attitudes are softening seventy odd percent of parents would have been angry a few years ago now it's around about fifty four fifty three fifty percent so in other words attitudes are moderating in this regard so it rather than people seeing it as more dangerous and something to avoid excessively and certainly whilst you're young and developing our attitudes are going in the other direction backed by seemingly government policy to further liberalise the consumption of alcohol but just one other question if you don't mind Sheila we're talking about you know bottles cans that you might buy in an off-licence or perhaps even behind the bar but but how does this get a message across to I would argue the majority of alcohol that's sold in a glass for an example so there's two parts to this legislation so one is individual warning labels on the can on the bottle and the second is that notices affected the same notice and giving those same warnings also has to be posted and on a notice in bars as well and so the same information would would be available it's a small step it's definitely not the silver bullet but you know this was achieved against a backdrop of massive industry pressure and you know ferocious opposition to it and I think the very fact that you can see that opposition from the industry tells you the power that's there and what it took and it really did take leadership for the Department of Health and Foreign Minister Stephen Donnelly to stand up but it's not until yet I presume there will actually will be anti-competition European wide challenges to this so the the the fight if I could put it like that there has not been one yet unless that that has been overcome but I would imagine the drinks industry on a European basis will try and use European law to try and at least defer or delay this well that is a very typical tactic of the industry but you know just to say that at this point the regulations have already been through the EU single market notification process and indeed the Commission you know found and was stated indeed by the Commissioner for Health that these measures were proportionate to the scale of the problem that was being experienced in Ireland so I don't anticipate a problem from from Europe on this and yes of course but which will always try and push back but I think actually we have got this over the line and very finally if you don't mind me saying these decisions Dublin based decisions often don't really consider the nuances like for us example living in a border area union minimum unit pricing alcohol just means more people are going across the border to buy booze cheaper and for those that buy that booze across the border these warnings will not exist on the cans and bottles that they consume but again we're used up here to be being somewhat forgotten these kind of actions really do need to be done on an all-island basis if they're to have an equal effect for everyone yeah well I completely agree and indeed there are moves we strongly support the moves in Northern Ireland to have minimum unit pricing one of the things that I would hope from this legislation is that other jurisdictions are looking at this very carefully we're very aware that Norway for example is also looking to move on a cancer warning labeling on on alcohol sold there I would hope that Ireland having shown leadership here that this will extend to other jurisdictions clearly we would want Northern Ireland and the whole of the UK to follow suit Dr Sheila Kilheney CEO of alcohol action Ireland thanks for your time this morning thank you bye bye have a lovely day watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highlandradio.com I have the right to make decisions that matter to me decisions about my 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you it's a lovely book i love the cover oh thanks yeah it's um that's kind of a lino cut actually um it's an artist that's she all she does is um pictures of the atlantic coast it's beautiful isn't it yeah it's just subtle and i don't know it stands out but it's sort of not very terribly colorful if that makes sense i should have just left it at my first remarks but it's just nice it's just nice um so you walked arlands west coast uh granja and it was for you you did it talk to us a little bit about that yeah so i'm kind of a few about 2019 i i turned 40 and i was having a bit of a moment where all my other friends had kind of got married and had kids and done the thing and i hadn't done that and i was having a bit of a like oh god what am i doing and i thought okay it's time to do something for me um and i i'd always wanted to my mum and dad are both irish i'm from london but my mum and dad my mum's from limerick and my dad's from sligo and i've always wanted to travel the world atlantic way and um i thought okay i'm going to do this but i wanted to do it with intention you know um especially because it's you know the country of my parents i i didn't want to just kind of you know sometimes people travel and they're kind of like oh i've done it and i didn't want it to be like that so i decided to um walk first of all in the footsteps of my own great granny who was from cape clear down in um in cork and then in different women up the coastline so there's 11 different women and 11 different walks and i kind of go all the way from cape clear right up to marlin head in dunny gall it's it took me um obviously on and off i wasn't doing i wasn't walking the whole way but it took me kind of three years to kind of do all of the 11 walks yeah because presumably too you wanted to be in the moment and enjoy it as well you didn't want this to be necessarily a primarily a physical challenge no i didn't i kind of um i wanted to sort of i wanted to just really enjoy the landscape and i wanted to have some time to myself to think and i also wanted to learn some Irish history um actually by the time i got to meo though i was setting myself a few more challenges so groan your whale who's um obviously my namesake as well so i'd obviously been hearing about her since i was a kid um the walk across knock more was was the biggest challenge in the book so i did sort of you know i i suppose as i went on i i got into the swing of things do you know what i mean um so yeah i i they're not all really hard walks but that one is yeah and you obviously the the concept was from the beginning was it that you were going to walk that you were going to uh walk walk particular areas having joes in particular women was that all part of it or that sort of come together as as you were ongoing it was it was something i i kind of i knew i wanted i had the idea in my head very firmly that i would do this and i knew that kind of i wanted to learn the story of my great granny i knew that i wanted all the women i knew had to if i was going to do it i had to find women who were deeply connected to the landscape you know it wasn't going to work if it was sort of i don't know a war hero or something it had to be people like iski britain and dunny gall who's a big wave surfer or queen maive whose kern is like it's actually part of the landscape they had to be embedded in the landscape but i i kind of um i don't know if you've ever done something and then not known what you were doing until you've done it i kind of it's good it's called living that's my life yeah yeah i kind of um yeah people say that about having kids actually don't know but i i kind of i kind of as i was doing it i got the hang of it i i realized it would be i did a lot more walking that's in the book so what is is the book then and and this is not a negative question because it's everything really okay but the way in which you describe certain places you paint a picture and experiences that that are going to that you could say you know i mean it's it's going to attract visitors to these areas they'll want to walk in your footprints it also is focused on women is it a celebration of those women and if so in what context and how much of this is about you know your personal journey because it was for very personal reasons that you decide to to begin this project so break down the book for us in in what what it is or is it what that really it feels it is or what do you what did you want to create i suppose i wanted the reader um to learn about the women that were in this sort of great landscape but i knew in order to kind of make their stories activating i would have to intertwine them with my own walks in the landscape so i knew when i started it i knew it was going to be for me really and i had some idea that it would just primarily be about the women and that as i kind of walked i'd tell their stories and that is the format of the book but as i was writing it i realized that in order for the reader to care you know in order for the reader to actually want to be with me on this journey i was going to have to put more of myself into it i was going to have to sort of put myself out there as they say i didn't really understood i didn't really understand what that expression means actually until i had to do it but so um the journey is the the narrative drive is kind of going from the south coast up to the north coast a lovely trip along the landscape discovering these parts the landscape and you can do the walks but to keep the reader reading i think my own personal journey does sort of carry carry you along yep now as a writer documentary maker and what have you you're incredibly busy is this a one trick thing or i mean theoretically you could you could write a similar book uh you know when you walks anywhere you chose in ireland anywhere for that matter gosh yeah i haven't really thought about it i mean one of the reasons i did it was that i kind of wanted to do something completely independently of telly and just completely enjoy ireland you know and also you know spend a bit more time for my with my parents since like it's like a combined this thing i haven't really thought about it beyond this um people were saying to me or maybe you know maybe you should make a film um growing years so i i'm sort of thinking about it but i haven't really you know in a way like the the book the beauty of the book for me was to have these moments of tranquility um so this series is a more personal project isn't it really rather than a platform for a massive series a documentary and 25 podcasts yeah i think so yeah i'll catch you just you want to sort of choose how you share it and how other people experience this with you what was the experience uh what was the experience like uh you know what i mean because obviously the you're meeting people you might meet disgruntled landowners i haven't a clue uh but you know like what was it like well i mean i'm a city girl so it was completely new to me to walk in the countryside i completely didn't know what it was going to be like you know my perception of island was always kind of going especially that um you know bits of island that i didn't know was always kind of a family holiday so i had no idea but it was amazing if i'm honest with you just i had no idea when i set out how absolutely beautiful island is and also how incredibly i mean i don't want to use the cliche a lot irish people are really friendly because i just feel like that's but people genuinely were i mean my name is my passport in a way i just got my irish passport when i started the book but my name once people learnt my name and i told them what i was doing they completely got it you know and they completely understood where i was coming from so i did i did honestly have i mean they're ups and downs with any journey and i and i did find the walking quite strange to be in such isolated places but honestly the beauty of the atlantic coastline really propelled me it's stunning isn't it it's there if you just want to go and look at it too uh yeah okay and um you have well well done it says i think it's a wonderful achievement and i think too that i try and avoid stereotypes but hey when they're positive bring them on do you know what i mean um the books out there now gone yeah um where can people get their hands on it so i think it's and don't i should mention by the way donagall features really quite strongly in this as you've already suggested donagall and the north west so uh tell us where it's available oh it's available it's sort of in all the bookshops along the the north k i just spoke today as um at new island books this morning it's in libra in sligo i know for sure um and i guess it's in kind of most of the bookshops in dunagall too i think he's across that um and uh and it's new island books as well and and what have you people will get their hands on it it's wild atlantic women walking arlands west coast uh with grania lions it's been lovely speaking to you uh grania and i'm delighted it was such a positive experience uh for you and congratulations on on the book documenting it all all right thank you so much take care bye bye nice to have you on the show uh grania lions there i'll just show for those of you watching the cover just in case you're keeping a lie out for you and have a look at it there it is wild atlantic women happy 80th birthday to john macketeer from lyford uh john uh this comes in for us all here across the northwest of course but uh also particularly from your wife and your family have a lovely day uh also a particular song being looked at here i might pass it on to a later show but i'll pay the play the request part of it it's for shone mcglenn happy birthday shone with love from catherine uh your birthday is today uh you're a urythmics fan i understand or at least this song has significance for you uh maybe one of the dj's later will play it but anyway 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some people are predicting before the local elections in northern arland what would be a good result for shin fane they blasted through that um and uh we'll be sitting very very happy today i presume absolutely great uh they got 105 seats the last time they got 144 this time now some people thought they might get maybe no five or ten extra seats but they got what was it 39 extra seats and they have as well as that they have gone way ahead of the dup the dup basically are as you were they got 122 uh in 2019 and they've got the same again this time so greg um i think uh the shin fane are now the biggest party in the assembly they're the biggest party in local government now if you work on the basis that the northern arland state was formed for unionism on a basis of a majority of two to one the days are definitely changed and the days of unionist domination are certainly over and i presume there are many people in the unionist community very concerned about that i and where do the gains come from and and and what does it mean in the in the broader political context i can't imagine or maybe i'm wrong but you know a unionist uh might go i'm sick and tired of the dup i'm voting shin fane now or vice versa from that matter because this stuff twos and froze so the alliance made gains as well uh and shin fane made huge gains so where are these votes coming from is it simply better vote management more candidates or what can we read from it politically do you think in terms of who they're attracting well greg the the one big factor is the demographics are definitely running in favour of the nice list community i had an old mentor years ago a man called frank corn uh he was out of the turn before me but he was big into all these demographics and he claimed to me many many years ago everybody was counting the uh catholic birth rate but what they were ignoring was the unionist death the unionist population was a lot older and they had less children so the so they were getting the unionist population were getting it from both ends they were they were coming up against the nationalist population that had a lot of young people and then there were a lot of the older people were you know deaths sort of knocked them off so that's all come on to play but already greg four out of the six counties are already national's majorities and this time shin fane won no in the unionist heartland we have now got councillors elected for the first time in place of the korean ballymina lisburn years ago they wouldn't even had a look in so the it's all changing it's massively uh different and i i was what listening to our sauce right uh lord gilt cloney former john taylor you know former unionist ministers saying this changed nothing though with respect that's you know bordering on whatever the argument to it in that they would say uh they're on change the d up for an example at 122 seats they would say well you know this is an endorsement of our views on uh you you know uh the post brexit mess that exists that in other words if they got it wrong they'd have lost seats so there as you were that's an endorsement of their policies and they're not for uh not for changing you don't buy that though god i think that's ridiculous greg you know like that's like saying uh manchester said he hasn't won the premier league cus man's a you know much are united one of the last year you know that's uh when you're staying when you're standing still and the other people are passing you a big time you are not willing and the unionism is not willing and there's also there's a sort of a sort of an attitude like a brain their heads in the sand greg something's going to happen happen or needs to happen uh like i think it was uh now me along the leader of the alliance party describes the shin fame victory as a tsunami and greg that is massive no matter what we come at it they've gone up almost eight percent on their vote the last time uh you know there's sort of clear blue coming now between shin fame and the dup which is the biggest party in unionism and there's and of course there's all another factor a lot of unionists seem to you know are socially liberal and they're not coming out to vote for any of the unions they might come out in a border poll to keep the union but right now they're not voting for any of the unionist party so the unionism has got a problem that way like a lot of people don't agree with the dup's attitude towards you know maybe gays and various religious stances and like abortion and so on so like greg there's all sorts of factors but the reality is if you're asking what is but by far the d shin fame is now and and this sort of driving seat and northern Ireland politics that's really the key to come out of last last thursday's election and we seem to be in a momentum in a direction that we're never going back to and i think you've recognized maybe the the the change in demographics in terms of you know the the unionist population for an example but that's i mean obviously like all parts of of the world now the population is growing in northern Ireland and it's not just unionists or or nationalists you know there's all different types of people with different backgrounds so shin fame will be very happy in that they perhaps are you know the alliance probably thought that they could reap the benefits of of sort of you know soft nationalists or people who are indifferent to nationalism or unionism but the shin fame obviously got their message to those people as well you just wonder where the likes of the dup go from here and even hardline unionism where it goes from here to some extent because there were no great gains in that regard either it just if you are a unionist whether it's you know really hardcore or otherwise you just wonder where it goes from here to make any gains does that make sense yeah that does actually great i was watching a program on bbc yesterday morning the northern Ireland politics program and mark rollers the presenter said we he says we tried to talk to jim allister of the tvv on several occasions during the elections and he wouldn't come forward and the tvv have been holding the dup speak to the fire in regard to the this one's our framework and the protocol and it was expected hardline unionism would make a big inroads this time to the dup vote and hasn't now those side of the story is alliance are roughly about two percent they i think they got so i think it was 14 more seats this time so they're you know they were expected to probably better than that but still they're the trajectory is right they're still moving up nicely so they're happy enough greg it looks like now it's shin fain one dup to alliance three the sdlp and the uup are starting to fall quite significantly behind so there's three parties now there's what would you say the left-leaning republicans the right leaning the dup in on the middle of the alliance uh elsewhere uh sdlp lost 20 seats down to 39 ain't do wiped out um greens lost over uh will not far off half their seats independence down around 20 so things are settling i think into a cycle here uh so where does it go from here what happens next i i think i think anyone looking at it particularly from the outside will look at those figures and go well can really the dup at this point continue to sort of hold government politics to ransom in northern island we heard from the shin fain they're calling for uh for all of this to be looked at i mean the people of northern island doesn't matter what their politics are deserve a government so how does one get formed from here because this can't continue forever for crying out loud well greg look at it the other way one out of every three votes cast in the election on thursday last went to shin fain uh the dup one of the big reasons quick let's get this on the record as well one of the big reasons is such a vote for shin fain is the fact that the dup have been basically holding a place to ransom until they get uh concessions on this framework document despite the fact that the westminster parliament passing both a huge majority they're still holding out now greg have you to cross over the border and look in dairy this is like the kregan on the bog side there are programs there for where there's i mean some of these places they're 70 male unemployment social welfare programs are massive and they're all going to be cut to the bone because the dup are not going into uh storm and there's no finance ministers everything's getting cut and a lot of people there's going to be massive hardship and of course the other side of the story is uh the biggest waiting list on and either britain or northern ireland if you want to use those terms are in northern ireland everything is just going wrong and the the bp are saying let them eat grass until we get what we want and that is really anger you know that's that's where the mandate to be sort of yeah he feels though like the you know london will look on double look on the mandate to sort of hold the region to ransom it's not it doesn't feel like it's there where there's a on one of your competitors the no one show it was a sort of a it was a bit of an outlier but i think it emphasized the change there's a woman called mary came on no one last week from nottingham and the abuse she gave the people of northern ireland that this this flag waving and all this sort of holding out your hand begging bull and you expect our people over here to pay for them i think i think this sort of the it's been overplayed and there's all sort of a now a sort of an alienation almost unwritten towards northern ireland and the dup i think need to have a serious look at their strategy i still haven't got over no london's criticism of donny gall but anyway uh we'll we'll we'll get through it all right pat uh it's really interesting we live in interesting times and it's always a pleasure to get your insights into it all thank you so very 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Vermont PBS in cooperation with Orca Media and the Vermont Press Bureau presents Capital Beat, the Week in Review, from the Vermont State House. Here's host Neil Goswami. Welcome back to Capital Beat. I'm Neil Goswami with the Vermont Press Bureau. It's been about one week since President Donald Trump signed his executive order on immigration and border security. And joining me today here in the State House cafeteria is Attorney General T.J. Donovan. And the governor's legal counsel, J. Pershing Johnson. Thank you, Neil. Thanks so much, both of you, for being here. We've heard a lot in the last week about this executive order and the implications that it might have here in Vermont and around the country. I am hoping that the two of you can help us make some sense of what the executive order actually says and what it does. Perhaps, Mr. Attorney General, you could get us started. Well, there were three executive orders. One was what we are calling a travel ban, limiting folks from seven different countries from entering the United States. The second one was in regards to the so-called sanctuary cities. And the third one had to do with the so-called wall along the southern border in the United States. Obviously, what has received the most attention is the travel ban given the high refugee population here in the state and given the work that the city of Rutland was doing in welcoming 100 families from Syria. But also the issue in regards to this so-called sanctuary status and the threat of losing federal funding. And so my position, I was proud to sign on with 16 other attorney generals to say that President Trump's executive order was unconstitutional and un-American. Why it's unconstitutional in my opinion is it's a violation of the Equal Protection Clause in terms of treating people differently based on the religion. It's a violation of the establishment clause essentially saying that we have one religion in this country. I also think it raises 10th amendment issues in terms of directing state and local law enforcement arguing to engage in federal police powers. Obviously the 10th amendment is the state's rights amendment. So all these issues are issues that concern rightfully so all of us.  We are a state of immigrants. We have over 26,000 immigrants in the state of Vermont. It's an economic driver for this state. It's an economic development issue for this state. It's something that we've been working on in our office not only on the legal issues but on legislative issues to make sure that we protect all of them. Ms. Johnson, what in the past week has the state learned about these executive orders in terms of its direct impact on Vermont? Well from what we know in terms of the executive orders we know that the greatest impact in the short terms on the existing refugee populations. So obviously with the Rutland refugee resettlement effort that's going to be have to put on hold so you have two families here you have other families who are waiting to come who are not going to be able to get here. I think something else that particularly concerns me are the other refugee populations around the state who basically have a right of family reunification once they get here or had a right of family reunification and any of those kinds of applications that are in the pipeline are not going to be able to happen either. So I think it's really the impact on the people who are here in Vermont now. Do these orders halt permanently the refugees from Syria that were planning to come and settle in Rutland? Yeah I think Syria is the executive orders essentially run for 90 days but my understanding is that Syria stands alone it's been singled out in a permanent in terms of a permanent ban in terms of immigrating to this country. So as I said it raises a lot of issues due process issues equal protection, the establishment costs, 10th amendment issues and so this is something that obviously is impacting not only folks in this state this is a national issue this is an issue that I think most of us and when you talk about the harm all you have to do is turn on the TV read the paper and see people protesting in the streets peaceful protests I might add here in Montpelier and Burlington all over this country because this goes to the core function of who we are as a country but we said it was not only unconstitutional but it's un-American. Does the governor's office find the same issues and concerns with these executive orders? The Attorney General mentioned the Equal Protection Clause the Establishment Clause, 10th amendment concerns as the governor's legal counsel do you agree with that assessment in terms of the legality or constitutionality of this? We do Neil we have in the first two executive orders particularly as they relate to the ability, the language is so broad and it's very very big we've reached out to the Department of Homeland Security and the US DOJ and we haven't gotten any additional guidance it is very broad it's very vague but what you can read from the face of the words is that there seems to be some intention to be able to detain on suspicion of a crime only so we believe that that would be a fourth amendment violation in both of the original two orders there were provisions with respect to not requiring but engaging with states to enter into what people referred to as 287G agreements which essentially under the federal law permit states to enter into these agreements with the federal government to perform immigration enforcement functions typically the way that works I think is the states are looking to engage in those functions they must get federal authority to do that because it's exclusively in the jurisdiction of federal government in this case the concept is sort of turned on its head where the federal government is saying we will reach out to you with agreements you will sign them and act as our agents the federal law provides that that's at the sole cost of the state it also provides expressly that there is no requirement to enter into the agreements so that's why the governor is taking the position he has with respect to declining to enter into an agreement should one be sent to the state and also to somehow address the concern of what happens if they are sent to local jurisdictions Vermont has a strong agricultural community particularly dairy farms we're a state that relies heavily on tourism and in particular there are many foreign workers at ski resorts do we know what this impact might be on those sectors of the Vermont economy will we be able to have foreign workers on dairy farms will we be able to have foreign workers at ski resorts let me just say one thing if all unauthorized immigrants were removed from Vermont the state would lose $249 million in economic activity $110 million in gross state product in 1800 jobs this is an economic development issue these folks are vital to our economy we have to have an honest conversation about who's doing the work on our farms in this state we have to have an honest conversation about who's cleaning our hotel rooms in this state and it's not just Whip's room it's more to stand up and defend them in this state and this is why this is not just a Vermont issue not just an American issue but a human rights issue so would these orders target foreign workers that have a work visa to be here and work on a dairy farm or in an apple orchard or at a ski resort they don't target anyone who's here legally with documentation the people they target are the people who are not documented so the executive order that I think TJ referred to as the sanctuary city order is really a very strong statement of the president's power to enforce the immigration laws so we're going to be working with the Attorney General's office moving forward to I think determine what our legal avenues are but it's going to be problematic for the state and it should be pointed out nobody is advocating not to comply with the federal law here and I think the law is clear where you can't prohibit a law enforcement office or an agency from disclosing immigration information to the federal government we're always going to comply with that and there's very valid legitimate reasons to do that nobody is saying let's not communicate when we're aware of a judicial warrant supported by a problem or cause or respond to a detainer which is essentially a request to hold somebody when it's supported by a problem or cause that is the foundation, really a due process issue that is the foundation of our legal system what we're saying is how do you protect people within the rule of law with those protections in this state and what it comes down to is this it comes down to access to justice because we want victims we want women who are victims of domestic violence we want victims of crime to feel comfortable and confident that when they call the police to report that they've been victims of crime they get the same service and access to justice that you and I get that's what this is about so both the attorney general's office and the governor's office have taken some initial steps to respond to the executive orders the attorney general's office you've created a task force with a broad spectrum of folks who are participating it's only been a handful of days since you created it but have you learned anything more about what this task force can or cannot do or what your office can or cannot do? I would say the first thing I've learned is how complicated this area of law is and I think one of the struggles that everybody's having not just in this state, across this nation this is a subject matter where not many lawyers have practiced it and so developing the subject matter expertise is incredibly important number two, the demand that there is action and making sure that what steps the state takes are consistent with federal law at the same time protecting the most vulnerable among us and also the desire of Vermonters who want to help sending out a press release this afternoon meal we're going to break it here although this isn't going to film until Monday night so it's not breaking news that we're asking, working with the Vermont Bar Association to recruit Vermont lawyers to provide pro bono legal services on the issues of immigration and detention because so many Vermont lawyers have said what can we do to help and to create a pool of lawyers get them trained up by immigration attorneys where there are frankly only a few in this state so we have a pool of ready, willing, and able Vermont attorneys who are going to provide access to justice to the Vermonters who are most at risk right now the governor's office outlined earlier this week at least five concrete steps that he is willing to take perhaps you can run us briefly through what those steps will be also the first was to have me as legal counsel reach out to the AG's office with respect to what our legal remedies might be in connection with constitutional law claims so we've actually met early this week to discuss some of those issues as TJ said, he's established this task force to advise the AG's office it's going to be a deliberative process there are going to be issues of standing that have to be carefully considered and the AG's office has terrific expertise in the areas of civil rights and criminal law immigration law is a very tough area the standards of due process are different so that's going to be, so we have reached out we're working together and we'll continue to work together the governor established a civil and civil rights and criminal justice cabinet and essentially that's meeting tomorrow morning at 11 TJ's a part of that, we've assembled a number of representatives of law enforcement, state agencies who are going to be affected like agriculture, human services, obviously state police a representative of mayors around the state and the defender general's office obviously the governor will all be there I think the idea is there is to get stakeholders to express their concerns because obviously in many cases there are going to be competing concerns but what kind of a legislative strategy can we take in order to address our particular concern with the executive orders which is these 287 agreements and I think get a sense of where the policy issues are what kinds of programs are already in place that are very important to law enforcement obviously defender general is going to have Fourth Amendment issues and concerns that might not be raised in the very beginning by the state law enforcement agencies so I think to get all of that information on the table and to inform the conversation about legislation so that we can work together and bring something to the legislature that's coherent, that's unified and addresses I think some of the most immediate concerns Yeah, in the week since these have been announced have you learned anything more that the state can do in its response? I think a couple of things I think as Jay said looking at specific legislation which I think is the work is being done now researching all legal options Jay is absolutely right when she talks about the issue of standing which is how do you demonstrate essentially harm to the state and when you look at the cases that have been filed by different states right now whether it's Massachusetts, New York, Virginia you had those states intervening in essentially the ACLU matters which were temporary strainers to stay where people were detained The outlier case of those that were following is the Washington State case where there was not, where they filed in their own they didn't intervene into a pending action where they alleged that essentially the travel ban order caused an economic harm to Washington State as a whole through their tech industry, through their universities because of their economy that's set for a hearing this Friday and we're watching that very closely and so looking and doing the research about really it comes down to an issue of standing for a robot at this time we also know this one of the critical things that we have to remember here is this, this is like day 13 and what we need to do is be much more proactive that's going to require us to do our work up front so we don't react and lose days when people are at risk to actually understand what are the likely executive orders to come down what is the likely legislation that couldn't be passed how's it going to impact the most minimal and what are the proactive steps that we can do and that is legal action and legislation I just wanted to say that we're also, like I said we've reached out to the Department of Justice, Homeland Security to get additional guidance which you haven't received yet but we'll continue I think to seek to push on that the other would be that we are, our agencies are continuing to work with our refugee populations to support them, I mean those services haven't stopped those services are still funded and right now I think we're doing what we can to protect the immigrant and refugee populations who are in the state now I was saying that I've been a prosecutor for most of my career and I'm sure this is consistent with Jesus Christ we've always had great relationships with our federal partners and law enforcement and I don't see that changing I think what we need to do is clarify some of our laws to get some clarification about the exact implementation of these executive orders to find the common ground but never to waver on our commitment to protecting the most vulnerable in our state and I think the language is very clear in terms of, at least from my position when you talk, you're never going to be able to prohibit sending information, disclosing information to the federal government that's clear in my opinion you're never going to advise law enforcement not to comply with the court order whether it be a detainer, an arrest warrant or a search warrant that's supported by probable cause what we have to look at are these so-called administrative detainers which are kind of based on suspicion where you don't have that finding by a neutral magistrate those are the protections that we want to build that is consistent with public safety public safety is always going to come first but I think in this fabric of maintaining Vermont as a safe and vibrant community this is doable it's going to take some work it's going to take some collaboration it's certainly going to take some communication but I think that we can do this in a way that protects the most vulnerable and maintain a positive and collaborative working relationship with federal law enforcement you mentioned there are a number of legal challenges filed against the federal government at this point or against the executive order including this one in Washington that as you said is an outlier either of your offices considering joining or filing a lawsuit at this point in time we're doing our due diligence right now in terms of the research in terms of addressing the standing issue that both Jay and I articulated and watching very closely what will happen and I would say that all options are on the table right now for us it's the same for the governor's office the AG's office is our lawyer and so we're working closely with them to express our particular constitutional concerns and like I said they're working with their task force to sort of work through the issues and I imagine we'll be being briefed on how that's going so we're really looking forward to working with the AG's office to advise the governor on our legal options what the risks might be and how we might proceed and let me identify a risk we've got to be careful about federal funding here right well that was my next question and that just has to be discussed openly and honestly and looking at risks here and so at the same time is there a way to again challenge the constitutionality of these orders to protect the monitors at the same time perhaps not risk so giving them out of federal dollars that come into this state there is no easy answer I think what I'm trying to do as attorney general is to be deliberate and not to rush to gather all the information to do our research to see what happens particularly in Washington on Friday and to make informed decisions that is in the best interest of this state in all per monitors it's my understanding that there are financial sanctions included in these orders there are also called sanctuary cities or other jurisdictions that don't comply with them number one what is a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state and are we that are we in danger of losing some funding with respect to the state we've talked to our state police our bias free policing policy is compliant with federal law so we don't believe that federal funding is at risk when it comes to the state we haven't seen what the G's office has done but we haven't seen the kinds of actions that our municipalities have taken to declare themselves sanctuary cities that's something they should consider with respect to compliance with federal law because the fact is if they're not compliant and they have federal grant agreements that say they will comply with federal law it's an easy leap for the Trump administration to jump on that compliance exercise and declare them to be non-compliant kind of funding so that's not an exercise in contract administration when it comes to any state that any exercise that the state any action that the state takes with respect to 287G first of all you can't force a state to you can't commandeer the resources of a state to act on behalf of the federal government but there is case law which indicates that there could be incentives imposed so that states adopt policies that they wouldn't otherwise adopt the thing is any any action like that would have to be very very closely tied to the kind of action that you're taking so say we said to the federal government we're not signing your agreement they were to say fine we're pulling your funding constitutionally they could really only pull funding from that area that's very closely related to that which in our case would be something like border control and immigration enforcement so it works kind of contrary to the Trump purpose if you're going to tell us that you're going to pull that funding so that's I think that the risk we don't know obviously what the risks are but I think that's the I think we have very good constitutional basis for pushing back on any penalties for not executing one of these 287G agreements let me just say this there's no legal designation as a sanctuary city right there's no tiny definition for it no and that's the problem I actually don't support people labeling sanctuary cities or sanctuary states it's the policy that underlies that so called designation which is important and as Jay said looking at the fair and unbiased policing policy how many municipalities and towns have adopted that making sure that we're not collecting certain information whether it's religious affiliation sexual orientation so it's the policy work that's important you have to comply with the federal law I think that's just a right line when it comes to certain federal law in the area of immigration and one of the goals that we have out of the task force is producing some guidance for our towns and cities in Vermont because I'm sure as we go forward here over the next couple of years this is going to be an issue that does not go away people need to know what the law is and people need to make informed decision about how best to proceed look the money issue has as I said earlier it's got to be discussed and because it would have a significant impact to some cities and towns and outside the narrow financial sanctions that you mentioned that the Trump administration could apply are there any other negative impacts that you can think of here in Vermont and I'll say I just have a couple of minutes left so in terms of passing policies blow back from the Trump administration is there any other negative consequence you can think of for not complying with these orders? well again it's not the issue we're not being forced to comply I don't think that's I think as Jay articulated those incentives are perhaps an issue that needs to be discussed a lot look I think what the first two weeks of the last two weeks have shown whether it's a downside or an upside this is going to be a fight and when you look at it from a perspective you're talking about states' rights you're talking about the health, the safety and the welfare of Vermont citizens we have a role to play in that and that is a fight worth having we are all out of time so we'll have to leave it there I thank you both for shedding a little more light on this tricky situation Vermont and other states find themselves in and on behalf of Orca Media and Vermont PBS we thank you for tuning in and watching join us again next week here at the Vermont State House


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