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I thought that was normal so I then put my tongue in your mouth.   So my dad slept with Kray behind Ron Kray's back. Not many people would do that would they? I mean I know, I certainly wouldn't. I broke down. My brain was so frazzled and sizzled and fucked. I was too scared. I lived with severe anxiety for a long time after that. I mean every day was haunting.   But what he done, he doesn't deserve to breathe. He's guilty of sin. He's done far more than what the public know, certainly than what he'll ever let on. Welcome on. And today's guest we've got Liam Tufts. Nice to meet you again. Liam, legend. Yeah, really well. Thank you. First and foremost I just want to say thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for having me on. Much appreciated. I was a big fan of your five, six years ago Facebook. I used to watch your videos actually dropped your message. They say an absolute class video. I was actually looking through a lot of madness and your videos cheered me up with your dancing and your daftness. And obviously a lot of mad stuff then came out your videos about your father and stuff that he was involved in. Dark, dark stuff and I've got nothing but to expect from you how you own that. How you just keep going on with it and just kind of be strong with it because I know I've had so many people on this program. A lot of people's took their own life and don't know how to kick on it. Obviously your humour can be a deflection of just trying to deal with it, but only find you can do is deal with it. But humour is is essential because if you take every serious thing that happens in your life serious, your whole world becomes serious. And in that tension builds up and up and up and up and up.  And I always used to use humour. And I do quite like dancing as you know. But you know what I'm trying to cover I'm trying to cover the few bits that you've just said there. And when you said that you reached out to me and sent me a message by the time I would have read that I was probably unpublished again. Because I would always I build a following. Then I'd say something that was over the line. Well, in the eyes of the big media companies. And then they're just without warning bam, remove the account. And I'd be talking to people, like privately that had their own issues, their own dramas, their own traumas. And a lot of them had abandonment issues. And then when I got unpublished for the first time, like my biggest account I got up to was about a quarter of a million on Facebook. And what that was the one that used that you saw me on when when it all went very dark with my old man, which we're obviously going to cover. And all these poor souls that I would talk to and console and you know, give them a little bit of strength that they need and tell them, no, no, no, you're better than you think you're bigger than you think you can achieve more than you think, you know, believe it, then you'll achieve it.  Just go and do something that makes you feel proud, something that you didn't do yesterday because you were too tired, too deflated, too fucked, whatever. So I'd keep in touch not every single day because I've still got my own businesses to run. And I've got my own life. But there's always a little something in me that I can't see someone on their knees. So I keep in touch with them. And then one of my first thoughts was when I got unpublished for the first time, I mean, I've been unpublished so many times now that I'm just waiting for the next unpublishment. So it's coming.  But the first time I got unpublished, I thought, then people that rely on me that I'm talking to privately, but I've got abandonment issues, they're going to think I've been abandoned again. So that was another. That was another problem with being unpublished on social media. And you know the way the algorithm works, you can set up an account the next day. But people just think, people think you're gone. So it's a shame I didn't see your message. What did you what was the what was the message? I'm going through changes myself. And I'm seeing your videos buzzing for your video, cheer the dopamine replied like a few days later, he says, oh, I did reply. Yeah, you replied, man. I was looking for the message, but I don't think I had an account. So I'd love to put it because I was going through changes exactly at that time. I was wanting to be better.  When you speak as well in your videos, you're confident in your videos seem to be on point all one take and just obviously might take a few chances to nail it.   But I thought, wow, man, how does that man kick on because I thought I had problems when I started listening to yours.  Do you know what I mean? I was going through changes and try to make a lot of different decisions and better decisions in my life. But when I heard your story, because I never really on social media, you never really heard stories like that. Now stuff and you were the first I'd came across and I thought that's a bit heavy. And I think it was a first and it was by no means a public city stunt. But it was by no means for attention, which my old man, that was what he was portraying out. Oh, this is all for attention. This is for likes and shares. And it's like, no, this is doing me no favours at all. This is not what I'm about.  I'm running businesses. I'm better in myself. I'm supporting my own community. I'm raising people spirits. I get a man. I like things that give me a buzz.  I've got an addictive personality and raising people spirits and building people up and anyone that knows me, all of my inner circle will be the first to tell you, he will give up his own life for months until he gets until I get someone straight.  But yeah, I get a buzz off helping people and raising people spirits.  That's how I feel every day, irrespective of the traumas I've gone through. And I think it's essential that men do go through trauma because it changes you as a man and you see the world completely differently and you have a better understanding, you can look another man in the eye and say, I get it, rather than sort of wing it. But I always think if I've got two arms, two legs in my eyesight, I'm winning. And this is just a hurdle. But I do know that there's other people that haven't quite got that mindset or the support.  I had to overcome an almighty hurdle. And it was relentless with the old man because he's got a narcissistic personality disorder.  So I've done well to come out unscathed as far as I'm concerned, I'm relatively unscathed. And I'll tell you why I think that as we go on. But I always put into perspective that there is always somebody out there that's in their bedroom, in their one bedroom apartment with no friends, no partner, no children. And what they've got is their shadow as a company. And they're looking at a noose or they're looking at a bottle of pills. And I think, you know what? I'm not there. So someone's worse off than me. So if I can, you know, big strong geezer runs a security firm, I've got no problem showing my vulnerable side. Hey, I'm human.  And you can't control them as much as you need to the best you can. You just simply can't if you're in pain. So I think if I can ease somebody else's pain by showing them a little bit of mine, sort of done a good deed. And hopefully the karma train will pull up at my station and be kind to me. And so far, life's been pretty good to me.  Like, it's not too bad compared to when people actually get an understanding of what you went through, you're going to get so much love for it. Before we get into everything, I always like to go back to the start of my guess, get a wee bit of understanding about you, Lee, and where you grew up and how it all began. Well, I'm from a town called Crawley, Creepy Crawley, Broadfield. Anyone from Crawley will know that if you can imagine Crawley as a human body, Broadfield is the anus. It's the anus of the human body. Yeah, so True Fall Crescent, Counselor State, Raised by my Mum and my Nan, and I want to get this out there, because I don't know, because obviously none of this is rehearsed, it's all off the cuff, and this morning I found out that my dad's brother's died, so I'm not even really prepared for today, and it's ironic that we're going to talk about this piece of shit, and today his brother died, and my first message to my auntie and my cousins that have been messaging me was it should have been Peter. Peter is obviously my old man, not his brother, who lived a very, very, very, very tortured life. But yeah, so born and raised in Crawley, Broadfield was where I was initially from on a Counselor State, rough and ready, still very proud of where I come from.  It's a bit like when someone's going bald, I can pull them on it. It's like, oh no, no, fair's fair. Is that a nugget me? No, you've got a knife out of there, feels it lovely. But yeah, so Crawley, and this is what I want to get across, my mum and my dad got together when my mum was very young and impressionable. So my mum's two years younger than my dad, so my mum was 18 when she had me, so we are best of friends. I love, I adore, I admire, like, I love her to absolute pieces as I did and still do my nan. So the reason my dad managed to get his claws into my mum was because of the age my dad was, you know, he was the, he was the man about town in the day, massive personality, very confident, flamboyant, always the first on the dance floor, and he just got his claws into a very young innocent girl, which was my mum. And needless to say, they didn't last too long, because as soon as my mum got the stamp of him, like, she was out. So I maybe had two years with my mum and my dad in the same house then my dad got, he got banged up.  Yeah, that's cool. You'll like this one. Yeah. He got nicked for, well, he got, he got banged up. He got, I think he got, he got five and a half or six years for conspiracy to rob a post office.  He's now, he's now no longer with us. God, I don't even know overdose.  They've turned up to rob the post office.  It's closed. And they got nick for that because they conspired to do it and got a great big lump of bird. But my old man will never tell that story because it makes him look like the fucking, like the clown that he is. He likes to tell people he's a gangster. Yeah, I've done a sixth for armed robbery. It's like, no, no, no. You got a six for conspiring to rob a post office. And when you turned up to do it, it was closed.  So, so yeah. So when I was two, that was one of his first holidays that I was aware of. And then it was my mum, I mean then, that bought me up. And I went, I went from a few, a few different schools, as you can imagine. No father figure in the house. And still that little bit of influence my dad had on me when I used to go and visit. I would just always come out angry and violent. He just, that's the energy. Like not, you don't come out feeling revitalized and fresh and happy and you don't want to go and put love out into the universe. Like, you just felt angry. Just, it's just who he is. It's just what he is. He's filth. So yeah, done a few bit of school hopping. Had a great time. Loved school. Loved school too much. Thought it was a fucking, thought it was a place of fun, not a place to learn. And I did have great fun. And become very close to my mum and me then. Very much your mummies and nannies boy. Hence why I've always got a lot of love for women. In the right sense, I'll open the door. I'll be polite.  I'll be respectful. I'll try my best not to curse. Sometimes I can't control that. But I'll give it my best shot to be a gentleman. And I'm not too, I'm not overly keen on people. Never trust a man that doesn't like women. Even if they've had their heart broken once. You're not above heartache. Like, still be respectful. Everybody gets their heart broken. Doesn't mean to say that you've got permission to go and walk the earth and just be horrible to women because you think they're all responsible. So I'm very grateful in that department because I do know people that are very bitter towards women. They're all this. They're all that.  You're going to put them all in the same bracket because, you know, one broke your heart. Like, take your medicine, man up, move on, go and find someone that you're more compatible with. So I had a lovely childhood, if I'm honest. A very, very lovely childhood. And I'm very grateful of all the love that was put my way. And like I say, Mum and Nan, wonderful human beings. And I would hate to think. I would hate to think where I would be today if it wasn't for them glorious human beings. And I tell my mum this every day. And the last words I said to my Nan before she passed was, I love you.  You love someone, you tell them. And it's a difficult thing for men. I think there's a few things that I can only speak for men because I'm a man. Look somebody in the eye and say, I'm sorry. I'm wrong. I love you. I think a lot of people's troubles do that. Eagle. Yeah. So if you love someone, tell them you love them. Because I tell you what, if I hadn't said that to my Nan before she went, it would have haunted me for the rest of my life. But I'm veering off now. We can come back to that. So the childhood where I come from, Brawfields in Crawley, the Anus of Crawley, few schools, got asked to leave politely a few of them. I was a touch much.  And then my mum met a guy called Graham, my stepdad, who they're still together to this day. They've been together, what am I, 43?  Wow, 43. So they've been together 30 plus years.   And my stepdad, I love him dearly. And if you're watching this, don't take this to heart. There is a bit of coward in you. Yeah, he's, yeah, it'll be the first to fucking, if there was an incident in the high street, it'd be the first to wish he had trainers on so he could be on his toes. But he's a lovely man. And because he's not that way inclined, I respect him so much more because he's stuck around. When there was a lunatic gunning for him.  And his sister was the first to say that, he's evil. And I thought, yeah, he's not, he isn't just a head case or loose or a bully. Like he is, to do some of the things he's done, which I'll tell you, he's, he's evil. But then going back to the childhood, mum got with Graham, he lived in a different town, which is sort of 15 minutes from Crawley called He's Grinsted, real interesting place. Got every different religion and cult you can imagine going on there in this small little town, move there, different caliber of, like Crawley's a London overspill. So it's rough, it's ready, there's gangs, there's, you know, drugs getting shifted, people getting stabbed and, you know, if anything like that happens over there, it's not, it's not shocking. We moved to He's Grinsted, different world, very nice, a lot calmer, school was great fun again. And that is about the nuts and bolts of my childhood. It was, it was great in between me being a child and then going into my teenage years, going like to secondary school and finishing secondary school. My dad was in and out of jail, and so I would see him from time to time. He'd come out, I'd spend a bit more time moving me, it'd go back to jail. He got a, he got an eight stretch for a million pounds worth of opium. I'm trying to be as respectful as possible and leave as many names out as I can. A, I don't like name dropping and B, would they want me talking about their business? But I'm thinking, yeah, it's in the, it's in the, it's in the public domain anyway. It's in the media, it's out there. So my old man done a deal with Joe Powell Sr. I never knew him, never met him because don't forget I'm like generations below but heard nothing but good about him.  But anyway, they've done this deal, million pounds worth of opium. One minute, my dad's living in Burgess Hill and also whilst all my childhood's going on, my dad's in Parkhurst prison, this is before the Isle of Wight become an island for nonces.  Whereas before you had all the heavy mob, all the gangsters. So if you was in jail back in the day and you was like, yeah, I've done a bit of bird in Parkhurst, you'd get a bit of respect for that. Yeah, I was a category president, I think. Yeah, yeah, I can't be 100% sure. So yeah, I won't say things I'm not 100% sure of. But yeah, I think it possibly was. Yeah, but it was, you know, Reg was in there for starters and my old man and him bunked up, become very, very close to the point of my old man become his power of attorney. He got all the royalties to the film, to the books. The Sun printed in the newspaper, they were gay lovers. They then managed to sue the Sun, very open about the love for each other. My old man was on the first reality TV program called Survival, I think it was called Survival at Annabelle Croft was in there.   It's like these allegations have been coming out since 1988. He went on a reality TV show called Survival, which was on TVS. Do you remember TVS? Yeah, it was years and years and years ago. But yeah, so the first, it was like I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. They all went out to a jungle. My old man was famous at the time for being Reggie's right-hand man and he used to sing and play a guitar and he had a single come out.  And then depending on the presales, then it would enter the charts. My old man got banged up while it's waiting to see how many it sold.  This is how these narcissistic motherfuckers cannot control themselves. Because I've been in recording studios with UB40, with my old man, Jules Holland.  Roger Daltry? Giza? The who are my favorite band? If Roger Daltry was sitting there, I'd give him a cuddle, ask him if I can do anything for him and thank him for the hours of joy he's given me with his music and even his... The Fotherham? Ah, the MacVicar. MacVicar? Ah, mate. That's my classic. Yeah. I used to watch out for my dad back in the day. It's the one. It's one of my absolute favorites. Yeah. So, yeah. And I got on well with all of them.  And my old man thought he was bigger than all of them people. So, this is something that a lot of people won't know. So, you know the film, The Craze? I think it was Polygram that produced it. Sure it was Polygram. Could be wrong, but it wasn't The Who Presents. So, The Who Presents that done Quadrophenia. Possibly they done MacVicar, I'm not too sure. But anyway, The Who Presents were going to do the film. They were going to do The Craze. My old man being Reggie's power attorney, sticking his nose in everyone's business, such a control freak. Freak.  But there's a line. It's like you are a control freak and it's a serious illness. I mean, I didn't realize to the extent I was, I'm only a kid and what you see is what you know. You just think it's the norm, didn't you? Which is why not a great deal shocks me these days. He's on the phone to Roger D'Ultri. Lead singer of The Who. A big deal. A tremendous human being.  What? Hang about. Roger D'Ultri here.  When you went to rob it. I don't think so, mate, fire. So that was that. And the next day, so all these things my old man had going on, he was going to be in EastEnders. He had, he was in the paper. All you've got to do is like Google his name and you'll see he was in the paper near enough every day for quite a stint of time. All off the back of Fruit and Veg, mind. Nothing he'd accomplished himself. But nonetheless, you know, he put himself in a position. Fortune favours the brave. But what he didn't realise was that he got to cling onto opportunities with both fans. And gratitude is the attitude. And he's got none of it. He's not grateful for anything at all. He thinks you should be grateful just by being in his presence.  All his, all his ties, all his connections, all his links, all his network, just boom, door shut.  And yeah, thank God that did happen to him. It didn't humble him, didn't humble him at all. He just threw mud at everyone and everyone was a slag and everyone was a rong and everyone was against him.   So I forgot why we even got onto this. Because there's so many things about him to rattle off, I probably won't talk in straight lines because it comes back in different stages because he's done so many things and had so many opportunities and he's tried to destroy so many lives and he doesn't know where he is in the food chain. Imagine if you was interviewing Roger D'Ultri. Thank you for coming on the show. I can't believe it's you.  You have some respect. Don't think so, mate. So yeah, so then the who presents no longer done the film and then it switched to Polygram. That was the back story behind that which people may find interesting that it was actually going to be the who presents that's in the film. And there's a scene in the film, the craze, where my old man is in it because Reg said, I'll give you a part. And it's when Reg goes into the shop and Francis is in the car and then two blokes are looking at the car or looking at Francis and Reg comes out about Martin Kemp and says, what are you doing? And it's the bloke that says, just looking at the car, mate. Don't see many around. They dubbed his voice as well. He hated that. You can imagine, can't you?   Couldn't believe it, but it was an absolute liberty. And he got wading over the car. Have you seen, do you remember that? Yeah, I remember that from the scene. I remember the sweets. Yeah, yeah, exactly that. That's the best craze for them. That was a classic. Brilliant. Brilliant. And funny enough, I met, it is Martin Kemp in it. Yeah. Yeah. Great party, played. Both of them played great parts. Really, really good. Really convincing. Yeah.  Line for line. Could be sitting here for the next two hours coming out with the one liners.  And I'm thinking for fuck's sake, just getting on, just getting on all right with this bloke here. Like don't ruin it. And he says, Oh yeah, he's Peter's son. And I know that no one liked my old man on that set because Charlie Cray, like tongue in cheek offered Martin Kemp a drink that when he's acting the part, like actually give him a proper dig. Like no one likes him. But yeah, he was a real nice bloke. And then someone said to him, another doorman, because we had him out of back in the VIP just about to bring him out. Oh, that's that's Peter's son who was in the film. And I know he didn't like him. Do you know what he said? He said your dad was great. He was really professional. I knew it was lip service and it was bollocks. But I thought what a nice bloke.  And yeah, so that was that. Did you see what your dad was like at a young age? Or were you oblivious for it? Because it's kind of round all those people, man. That's because I remember watching the craze in the 90s and going to school and me thinking, I want to be like them.  The fear. Obviously you get old and you start finding out what everybody's like. And that realize it's all bollocks. But it was glamorous then. Did you see that with your dad? The oblivious to everything that he was doing and people were saying? Yeah, if I'm honest, because he was such a powerhouse of a character. And he really was a powerhouse. I used to, I've said to people, you've got to be in a room with him to believe that that kind of human being exists. It's hard to explain.  Doesn't deserve to be on the planet. But he is still an absolute force of nature. And so I was incomplete all of him. If I'm honest, I'm incomplete all of him. I idolized him. And don't forget we all, it's human nature to want what you can't have. And as a kid, he was taken away from me a lot because he was always back in jail. And I just thought it was just all normal to me. I didn't know any different.  It'd sit there getting drunk and then it'd start cutting off all the screws and then the visitor would have to be cut early and talks very quietly Reg as well. So you got to lean right into it when he's talking. But yeah, it didn't even occur to me that he's, you know, he's a murderer. Just didn't register. I was in complete awe of my dad. And we sort of, I think everyone loves to be loved. And it's like a bit like a dog.  And where I had that from the likes of Reg, it was reciprocated.  And he had all these people wrap around him. And, you know, I knew that they was famous people because I would see him on the telly. And yeah, it just seemed normal to me. And I didn't really realize just how dysfunctional he was. Even when, even when my old man slept with Kate Cray behind Ron's back. So Ron's wife, do you remember she used to do Britain's most dangerous men? So my dad slept with Kate Cray behind Ron Cray's back. Not many people would do that, would they? I mean, I know I certainly wouldn't. It's like, no, we get on great. Bit of chemistry there, but you are Ron's wife. I think I'm out. For that reason, I mean, so, so yeah. But my old man being my old man thinks he's bigger and better than anybody else. And he's steam right in. In fact, he'd give a one in the passenger seat, the vehicle that Reg bought him.  And he's meant to be best mates with Reg. It's like you're rumping your best mate's brother's wife. Zero limits, no boundaries at all, like no code. Just a pig. Ron found out. Ron then put a contract out on my old man's head.   Very much like Cornell was saying in the film, it was almost like listening to Cornell talking to Ron. My old man just didn't give a monkey's. Fought he was bigger and better than anybody. My old man thinks he must have had some set of balls.   But he's clearly not. There'll be... He used to like to think that he would run Crawley and he was top boy around Crawley. But I know there's other faces in Crawley for a fact that my old man... He would say that he would deal with if he needed to, but I know that he wouldn't. I know that his arsehole would fall out. So he's not...   Or maybe when he was a lot younger, he had less fear and he didn't care. He thinks the world is one big movie. He's center stage and everyone else is an extra. And he truly believes that. He truly and utterly believes that everyone else is just an extra in his film and he's the main event. He's sitting in Albany jail now. And I've had Mal intercepted. He's playing judge and jury in there.  I've been set...   That's the sentence you get for burying your kids under the patio. That the trial was three weeks long. The judge just let it go on and on and on and on and on. Gets a unanimous guilty. Now I've been set up.  CPS have been paid.  People will believe him as well, I know. Oh, of course they're all vulnerable, weren't they, and anyone in there that's absolutely banged to rights. They'll be delighted that someone is saying that they're innocent. But yeah, where was I going before we spoke about him being in Albany? It's Jag and Ron's buses. Yeah, because we're sort of... Sorry, mate. Yeah, it's okay, man. It's... Because of the... Because there's so much he's done. Yeah, to get it in chronological order, I should have come prepared with notes. No, no, this is the way it should be. Yeah. Was it having enough... Was your dad having an affair with Reggie with a relationship? Did that ever come out? Well, here's the thing. That was what was printed in the paper, that they were gay lovers. They openly said that they love each other.   They're still young, bro. I'm in no rush. But so it's never been proven. It's always been denied.   I went to Dubai with one of my gay friends a few years back. We booked it last minute. We turn up, I call him Sue. He'll lie at this. I said, Sue, there's one bed. He said it was the only room I could get pet. I said, for fuck's sake. Massive great bed, it didn't matter. It was only there for a night. So like, I've got no malice towards anybody.     But back in the day, it was different.  So I used to say, no, it's all nonsense. And they did manage to sue the son for printing that they were in a sexual relationship. But now I know my dad. Now I know how he operates and how he functions. And now that we also know for a fact that, like a lot of lifers, Reg did end up sleeping with younger lads as well. There was that Bradley, wasn't there? So do I think my dad and Reg had an intimate relationship? I honestly don't know.  My dad would have manipulated Reg 100 percent. 100 percent. And I put nothing past him now. If this was before all the madness happened between me and my dad and then what I found out after I'd said about the things that he'd done to me, which we've not covered yet, I would have stood up for him in certain areas. There was one thing that never added up about my old man. Going back to the question, I do think he's mad enough.  So for the record, I couldn't confirm either way whether they was in an intimate relationship or not. It's always been denied and don't get me wrong.   But you can't help how you feel, but you've got to manage how you feel. So the love has to be managed. He's a dog. He's a scumbag. He's a wrong person. Like, keep that love suppressed. Don't let it overwhelm what the reality is, which he is a disgusting, despicable, repugnant human being. And I would love to put it on record that, yes, my old man was getting runped by a reg, because he would hate it. But the truth sets us free. So I can't come on here and tell Fibs just to score brownie points. So I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past him, because since I've learned how he operates, there's nothing I would put past him at all. That he has no limits. He has no filter. He has no boundaries. He has no morals, no respect. He's just, yeah, he's, I'm trying to work out.  And I'm just, I'm trying to, I've always, I've always, I'm trying to work out, is he a psychopath? There's a difference between the two. Yeah, so I don't know. When did you feel the negatives towards your dad? The older I got, well, I tell you how it all started. This is the best, the best shift is, because then this sort of can be in chronological order. So he got sentenced. This was the Joey Pyle opium deal.  And to be a liar, a lot of people won't realize this. I bet there'll be a lot of people watching this that do tell lies. And if they're honest with themselves, and they have an honest conversation with themselves, and you've got to be honest with yourself as well. And you probably won't like the answer nine times out of 10.  Don't pretend they don't, because they're lying again.  I've told a couple of lies before in the past. They meant nothing either.  And because I told it once or twice, I had to keep telling it. One day I'd come clean, said to my mate in the pub, I said, Shane, I've got to tell you something now. I said, do you know what I said I'd done? Basically, I made out that I'd slept with a bird on holiday in Ibiza, just to get my numbers up. I was 17. We've all been there. And I said, I didn't sleep with that woman. He went, fuck, yes, I said, I promise you, mate. I said, I didn't sleep with her. And I said, but the fact I've lied about it, it's felt heavy on me. I don't want to feel heavy no more. I don't want to live with a lie hanging over me. So I know the damage a lie can do to someone.  And you're in your own psychological jail. You're locked in your own headspace.  When he got the eight years for the Joey Pyle, I say the Joey Pyle because he's the most prominent name people will be aware of and they'll know. He got eight years. Joey Pyle got 14. There was a few other people that got other lumps. It was all under surveillance. There was undercover police involved. The jury got knobbled. So the trial had to restart, new jury. And this is not me coming out with anything new because also I'm not about that. If no one knows and I know, that's where it stays. I'm good at keeping a secret. But this is out in the public domain. So while my old man's on remand, and even while he's doing his sentence and I'm young, he looked me in the eye on a number of occasions. And he said, Liam, I've been fitted up. I didn't do it.  I did not do it.  Fair do's. I believe he didn't do it. Who would say that? You could say a million things. I swear to God, you're never going to meet the man probably so. Why not swear on his life? Why not swear on his life? Why me?   Because guess what appeared on Scotland Yard about eight, nine months later? Boulder's brass clear as day, just as that camera there. Peter Gillett, two bags of opium in a car park outside a hotel from one vehicle into the other. Bang to rights.  You've looked your son in the eye and said, I didn't do it.  That resonated with me on a huge level, a monumental level. I thought, wow, that is, that's not just sinister or dark.   You just wouldn't say that. You'd say anything but that, wouldn't you? So that's what I knew that he was a sociopath and a prolific liar. And also, there was another thing that stuck with me, which again, I learned because he's made similar accusations about me and my friends. Fun enough, I won't mention names, but I watched one of your podcasts a few years ago and you had someone on here, but I'm watching it and my jaws drop in and I'm thinking, this geese reminds me of my old man. Fuck. Now anybody that, well, they don't even cross my dad. My dad decides they've done something wrong, falls out with everybody. Do you know what my dad does if he doesn't like someone? Or I'll give you an example. He didn't get invited to someone's wedding. Now my dad's not a straight goer. He's never worked an honest day in his life.  Never worked an honest day in his life. And this guy that he knew, nice, normal, straight going bloke. But he befriended my dad because he liked the idea of, you know, he was impressed by all that old bollocks. Me, that's the one thing I've taken from all of this. I don't fear no one and none of that impresses me.  That don't impress me.  Both of mine close at night because I fly straight. But he liked the glitz and the glamour of what he thought was impressive.  So that's why they had a bit of a friendship. They weren't best of friends by any stretch of the imagination. My dad didn't get invited to his wedding. If you met my dad for 30 minutes, you'd understand why.  Straight up. It'd be standing there. Honestly, it'd be standing there saying, thanks for coming, everyone. No, mate, it's not your day. Sit down. There's another story in a minute. I'll tell you about it and blow your mind. But anyway, this guy that didn't invite him to his wedding, so all of a sudden they're really good friends, so much so that my dad wants to go to his wedding, doesn't get invited to his wedding. Next thing, he's telling everybody. He's a nonce.  He's a rapist. He's this, he's that. Don't trust him.  He's a rongant.   And I noticed this habit with him. Anyone he fell out with was a nonce, or a rongant, or a rapist. Every person he fell out with, he spread the same rumors about them to people, to the family, to friends, to their friends, to their family. So you can imagine how dangerous he was once he realized that he could spread these messages about people on the internet. Ah, Christ. I got off lightly compared to some people before me and him went to war online. If he fell out with somebody, he was tarnishing them with the most heinous accusations. And now I've got to understand the little pleb, which is all he is. Minion. Mara Ramic. He's projecting. Yeah. He's self-projecting on people. I didn't know this, because I didn't realize that my old man was all of them things. He accuses everyone of being who he is. Wow. I mean, that's not just audacious.  That is some front. Knowing that you're guilty of all them things, but throwing them accusations out, when you know that there's someone out there that can say, actually, Pete had done that to me, which eventually happened, thanks to my live feed.  What was the question you asked? Sorry, mate. Just to who you are, when did you realize the negatives? You started saying that. Oh, the negatives, yes. You started saying you found out about his lies, swears in your life.  That's just why I'm the best at it. When I go off on a tangent, even after you are, what did James ask me? So yeah, so I realized the negatives when he would always, it'd always be bad mouthing somebody in a severe manner. And I mean, yeah, it's documented. The only person I've ever really bad mouthed online is my old man. My job is to build people up, not crush them down. And if I fall out with somebody, you sometimes have to sit and think to yourself, well, was I part of that problem? Did I do anything that could have been different? You won't get that from him. So I realized the bad in him when he would lie about people. He thought he was far more superior than anybody. And some of the things he's done to my mom as well. And I don't really want to talk about my mom too much because I don't want her being involved in this because she's so timid. She's, I mean, me and her, we're, our hearts are in line, but she's introvert, very, very kind, sweet. She's just glorious, mate.  And how she got involved with my dad is unbelievable.  I think it's, I think it's a patronize in turn, but especially like being proud of your mom should be the other way around. But I'm so proud that she, she had the stones to do that because she's always been scared of him. So again, does that upset you? It infuriates me. It infuriates me. And this is how I know that he's not quite the lunatic he makes out because I've switched on him in the past. Well, when we get to the bit when, when I sort of remind you of my first, the big reveal of the things he'd done to me, why didn't he come knocking on my door, this big gangster? Why did he revert to, oh, I'm going to come back on the internet and make my own edited video. I'd go live every time. This ain't rehearsed. I'm telling you the truth. Anyone's, anyone can comment and ask me and I'll respond. And that was my whole, that was my whole purpose when he was online going back and forth of, you know, me accusing him of the things that he's done. And let me tell you, what he's been to jail for is only the half of it. If he'd have got sent to jail for all the things he's done, because witnesses pulled their statements and decided not to, not to go ahead because he was threatening to throw acid in their face and to people that know that he probably would do that. Again, that's about as much as I can say about that, because if it's not my story, I can't tell it. Although you may get, you may get other people off the back of this to think, you know, what I want to add to that and you'll get more interesting stuff from the demon. I've lost my friend again, James. So, yes. So, my mum went to call. So, before that, when they don't know, no, oh, yes, the things he's done to my mum. Oh, he put a knife up and get up to her throat and she was pregnant with my younger brother who's 10 years younger than me.  It was like, answer machine, run it, you get home. He had seven messages all gone play. I was with the days, weren't I? And one of them was my old man, laughing manically. Absolutely delighted that my mum had had a miscarriage. And then when she felt pregnant again with my younger brother, I hope he's born as spastic. Why would you hope anybody was born as spastic? Why would you hope that my mum's child was born as spastic? She's done nothing to you. My mum's done nothing to anybody. She's the kindest person I know. Doesn't like conflict. Doesn't like arguments. Just, I've said it once, I'll say it until I'm blue in the face. A glorious, wonderful human being, as was my nan. And it's thanks to them, I kept on the straight and narrow because if it was for him, God knows where I'd be. Just the little snippets of time that I spent with him when he was in and out of jail was enough to do some damage.  I'm more, you see, I'm more the way I perceive things is I'm more, I always go the other way. I'm not fearful of what could have been. I'm just extremely grateful of how it went because if it had have gone the other way and he had more impact, more influence on me, then, yeah.  I mean, 100%. And he done some, I didn't even realise that he he was abusive towards me until someone actually highlighted it. I've got pictures actually on my WhatsApp which are forward to you. Yeah, we can put them up if you want.  So, and also my man's got a little band of merry men and none of them seem to think that what he's done is a problem when I tell you about him jumping in a 13-year-old girl's bath. No one seemed to think that was a problem. When there's pictures of me and him on his second honeymoon, he took me on his honeymoon and there's pictures of me and him in a swimming pool with our whole bodies raised and like with my shorts pulled down below my knees. So, my little ball really is poking above the surface and my dad's next to me doing exactly the same thing. Now, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to work out who encouraged who to do that and someone's taken a photograph of it. These I've got and I will give you. And it was these pictures that someone said to me when I found them in a box. I forgot they even existed. You do know that's abuse. And I'm like, yeah, that is abuse.   Raising them above sea level getting me to do the same so someone can take pictures and there's a few of them. That made me sad. That made me sad because I couldn't change that. It happened and it was there and it was documented via photograph so I can see it, relive it and just think that was an innocent play because also on his honey, on the same honeymoon so now I'm going back in time again so sorry about all the timeline. The timeline, hop in. Remember I said to you there's so much that this could take like four podcasts to get through it's because he's done so much I forget. So I went on his honeymoon every afternoon they'd have a siesta. They'd have a siesta. The door would be left open.  I'll be walking around the villa. I can see him having sex. Why would you leave the door ajar? That's a deliberate stunt.    I remember even now I could sort of relive the feeling in here. That was awkward. But again, you get desensitized to things and sort of it becomes the norm and it's like oh it's you know by the end of the honeymoon siesta time. This is where the old man rumps Geraldine again. And I'm not tired.  It's like yeah I'm not an old man. I'm like a young lad. Bedtime sort of seven, eight, nine on holiday. So that's enough. That's another thing he done. He gave her a clump on the same honeymoon in front of me which scared the daylights out of me and I'd never seen a woman treated like that before because I was raised by women. I thought women were the strongest pillars of society.  And then bam! Like core. And then I'm too scared to say anything or do anything and then he's taken me into into wherever we were in Spain into some town and I remember him. Do you know why he gave her a clump? Because she spoke Spanish and he didn't know. We went to sorry he's come back to me the reason why. Yeah it's all right giving you the story but like without some context. So we went to wherever we went in Spain like a restaurant or maybe even a bar and we're sitting there and she spoke Spanish to the waiter and because my dad didn't know that she could speak Spanish fuming, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling gets back to the villa. Bam! Clumps her. Then goes back out to score a bit of puff. So that's the sort of dog we're dealing with.  Now teach me how to say yeah but yeah not him because just that megalomaniac control narcissistic filthy don't keep things from me. It's like yeah you know she's not adding to fare she's obviously been speaking a bit of Spanish long before you come along and they was married within I think weeks as well so it's not like they had a great deal of time to get to know each other. So that was another that was another moment where I realized I was scared of him if I'm honest. What did people used to say to you about your dad? Was it all positive or was there anybody ever come forward and say look? No so all my friends thought he was great because well I can ask I'll skip to the bit where he basically fed us all drugs so you can imagine. Now my mum and my nan would always be worried. They would always be very very worried about him because they knew what he was all about and he would always you know it would always be threatening you with something. There'd always be some kind of threat and you know it was clear as day who he was wrapped around with who he was associated with.  So of course if he says you know if this happens and and he'd have paint stripper thrown on my mum's car and it would always be up to something but you have to remember during all of this my mum is not one of them women. She's not neurotic. She's not a problem. She never ever stopped him from seeing me. In hindsight she should have done but she didn't agree with that and I respect and love her for it. He's my father. It's his right to see you. She kept a close eye on it as close as she could but don't forget my dad master manipulator got in my head. So this is why my friends ended up liking him. So I now think I was 15. I thought a few years back I was either 14 or 15 but the more I think about it I was probably 15. 1995. I was born in 1980 but I had friends my friend Nicu come and testified Sergeant Major in the Army for 14 years very credible human being outstanding man. He was a year younger than me at school but we would all go to my dad's house. I mean this is where my dad was completely banged to rights in the trial. This was I think this charge was child cruelty something something like that. There must have been maybe 10 friends all in all. I mean talk about doing things in plain sight but that's what he done and that's what all of these narcissistic fuckers do the Jimmy Savils. They do it all in plain sight all blasé and then it gets to a stage where he does outrageous things and it's like oh you know it's Peter that's what he does. He used to take me to watch the arsenal. Again, never memories come back. He used to take me to watch the arsenal and he'd rush me in the toilet if I needed to go if I needed to go for a piss.   I think it's normal. It's my dad taking me to the toilet. Knew no different. And I'd actually forgot that he'd done that until another friend of mine who he used to take to arsenal as well which was one of his best friend's son same age as me I won't mention his name but he was also prepared to come to court to give a statement but it wasn't necessary.  I said I totally forgot he even done that. That was one of the things that I forgot he'd done but he just done it in such a way that it felt normal. But that's not normal. We know that's not normal and I know that's not normal now. So that's another thing he done. I'll just jump back in time there because I was younger then. So why am I why my friends liked him? Because he treated him all like adults. So we'd go round is yeah he was in our athway homes before once he'd come out of the shovel before he ended up renting a flat in West Green Sunnymead. Anyone from Crawley will know these flats in Sunnymead. Now they do haunt me. Now I'm always the glasses half full but there's a certain there's a certain part of my life childhood which is haunting because I got introduced to drug-induced anxiety like I've got a feeling you know that vibe.  So my friends liked him because we'd all go round there. He'd be rolling joints and he'd have a little pipe with solid. You know we're 15 14 school kids impressionable. This is my dad the big character Reggie craze right our man. He's in the film. I mean now we know like a small part in a film.  So yeah we all had him on a pedal stall and he all treated us like adults and that's why my friends liked him. So we would go around there but it'll be smoking smoking dope with him. That's how it started smoking the puff with him. Even had a friend in the high street one day sort of pulled him in front of me. He was a he's passed away now. He was a he was a pro boxer at the time and he said oh yeah you know we're going back for a puff and he's looks he said you're going back for a puff.   He's old for his age or it come out with some spin. Can spin anything? My old man he really can. To the point I had a screw when I had I can't remember what one of my accounts before it got unpublished. He sent me an inbox saying I was in I was in Lewis when your dad was in there on remand or whenever it was in there he said he is a very very manipulative man.  I'm acutely aware of that but he said yeah he goes I couldn't message you at the time because it was a conflict of interest. So people cotton on to him. So it started smoking puff. All of us together. Then it went to and fed him in. In fact let me go back quickly. Another thing he'd done when he lived in Burgess Hill so I was a lot younger. He'd have these late night drug parties even when I'd go around there that didn't stop him.  I think back then it was more ease that they were into.   You remember back in the day you'd get VHS and you'd put it on long play.  And I was a kid I was young. He just didn't think to just press stop Peter. You're going to bed now you got your kid here.  But that's just the dog he is. I said that was that. Sorry jumping forward again because I'm now thinking about his party in antics. Because this is when he done some damage to me. Up until this stage now you know he he done a few things to my mum and but he was still my dad and I you know still loved him and he was in and out of jail as well so I never really got to know him properly and I'd only see him in like little snippets of time. And then when the drugs escalated and this is the scary bit this actually I look back with a bit of fear and think ha yes I'm extremely grateful that didn't happen but it was that close to what I was just touching base on before we started rolling started smoking puff together all my friends then we started doing amphetamines together again with my friends.   I just do so that's not I mean, it's certainly a it's a remedy and it's a cure And it's you know, it's it's it's the best medicine there is Laughing and joking but my mrs.  It's like I just I don't know. I've got a good funny bone in me Which is a blessing I get that but I've always been aware That it's heavy duty and I've got to be careful And I've got to watch myself and monitor the situation No when to hold and when to fold and when to walk away When to take a breath when to analyze things also look inward like I do a lot of that I don't I'm not into the blame game. So when I go forward Like I have done for him. It's because I have Analyze me. I have thought is this Is this the right thing to do am I 100% certain have I done anything wrong? But the but the full answer is That I tell you how I dealt with it in my humble opinion as well as I did Don't get me wrong. There was moments. I cried my eyes out like a baby but I Lost my nan 13 years ago 14 years ago and as I sit here now. I don't accept a day of it It hurt me more than You could ever imagine I laid next to a dead body until the coroner got there playing with her hair She was the love of my life her and my mum. I mean, I can't I can't put it into words How much I adored my man?  There's a nanski shaped heart missing hole Missing in my heart and it's never gonna recover So when you've been through that level of pain Nothing else can really hurt you if that makes sense So I'd already been to my deepest darkest saddest loneliest traumatic place before this happened so It wasn't my first rodeo.  It cuts like a knife Which is very unfortunate for my old man because every tactic that he tried and every low blow that he tried to pull It's like you're dealing with a man. That's been somewhere where I wouldn't wish on anybody I'm still hurting over that even through that feud Fucking I'm still grieving over my nan.  I've got got the message today before I come here That's which is another reason my mind's all over the shop I mean our our weird stat the day we're doing the podcast.  He really did have it hard He really had it odd locked in cupboards beat and black and blue Yeah, and I loved him and He was very pleased what I'd done. He was very very grateful that I'd Plucked up the strength to put that dog Where he belongs. So yeah, sorry as a long as a long-winded response to To the question that you asked but there's anyone watching this and they're going through some turbulence or you know They're feeling anxious or trepidation or uncertainty Whatever it may be. We're all vulnerable at times.      I'm a right. I'm a wrong. Is he good guy.    Future I I'm gonna write a book about the whole thing. I was meant to start at the beginning of the year. Why didn't you? I've had a few I've just been spinning too many plates. I've been I've been juggling too many things taking care of Other people Where really I should be I Mean one excuse is as good as another. I just haven't got the ball rolling yet. We was on holiday in Mexico, December Me and the Mrs. Greed January start writing the book and And I've also again, I have to be honest with myself What you write in the book for is it for new variety? Do you know do you want to be in the limelight? Or is it is it because you want to help other people and I've had to work that one out and I've got to be honest with myself and I'm very happy to say that He distracted me from so many years in my prime of doing great things Although putting him away is the greatest achievement of my life because I've saved lives Putting my father away is the greatest achievement of my life Because he's a wrecking machine and all he does is destroy anything that comes in his bath He's like a human hurricane.  He's vile. You're always gonna get those questions I've done a homeless documentary and I was going through my changes right at the start and a question It was I doing it so I could get people to like me and think I was a good guy Yeah, they're doing it for the right reasons if I'm honest party was probably both right, but no matter I said this to an amazing woman and ribbon who owns Chrissie's house Which is a suicide center which I'm an ambassador for she says look James.    Why is he still going on? Why is he still smiling?  It's if it's one of them in it It's a double size lives, but there's some things people's assault of gotten a little motion motivational posts and stuff Yeah, I feel good for a couple of hours man Yeah, I get some not I get some nice messages I mean when I used to get thousands when it was when I was at a decent size one I still get nice messages and it still makes me feel nice. It's like yeah, I've I've done my job there I've put a smile on someone's face that needed it. I'm not too kid I'm not too fuss over a bit of small on someone's face. It doesn't need it. It's like yeah fair play I'm glad you enjoyed that but if you need it like that's sort of that that means something so yeah moving forward Work hard. I was gonna say play I'll maybe play a little bit less hard and just yeah focus on Focus on giving and moving forward and self-development. You got to keep looking after yourself I want to you know build a better body build a better mind Yeah, get get my cup right to the top so that everything that overflows I can give away Yeah, that's the one what about for anybody that's watching. It's maybe through something similar That's maybe too scared to speak out or feel embarrassed. They're ashamed or blame themself Like you that the mind is a mad thing how people react to certain traumas that go through as a kid But what advice would you give for anybody that it's maybe in that struggle and it doesn't know where to turn?  It's built within them to to control Lead and steer you into you know making you feel like it's a dirty secret and you ought to blame if You know if you're vulnerable You know if you're feeling slightly off and you feel like you're one of the weaker ones of society By setting yourself free by speaking out To anybody Speak to a counselor ring the Samaritans Follow the right people on social media be careful who you listen to but be true to yourself and Come click the truth will set you free the truth will set you free and When you confront the bully You soon see how weak they are I've never met a strong bully in my life Never ever will you meet a strong bully? And if someone's got that power over you it's just because they've used certain words and Manorisms and body language and if you break it down, it's like what someone's words have affected me someone's movements have affected me It's it's it's just all nonsense.  It's not you to blame. It's not you at fault and If anything if not for yourself Do it for the next potential victim That's what I've got to end it on if you haven't got what it takes to do it for yourself Have the empathy to do it to the next potential victim Because you don't want them to go through what you're going through and that will heal your heart and set you free Listen, I'm absolutely proud of you. Thanks for coming on today. Appreciate you having me mate. Nothing. I've enjoyed it Yeah, man lots of love your way to and I can't wait to read your book. Yeah, I can't wait to write it Smash it bro. God bless. Cheers, brother


The ISAF Nations Cup Grand Final brings together some of the world's top match racing nations. 60 competitors from 14 countries have traveled here to the United States and the host of this year's event is Sail Sheboygan in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. This is an important event for Sheboygan because we have built an incredible facility to host world class match racing and competitive sailing events. The weather forecast is for fair skies, light to medium winds. This should be an excellent week of sailing. The sailors were treated to a festive opening ceremony at the Blue Harbor Resort and now it's time to get down to racing. Hi I'm Tucker Thompson from T2P TV and welcome to day number one of the ISAF Nations Cup Grand Final. For the rest of the week we'll be bringing you the racing highlights as 19 teams battle it out on Lake Michigan in both open and women's divisions. We begin with the highest ranked women's skipper in this regatta. It's Claire LaRau from France, a two-time winner of the Nations Cup. She crosses the line just ahead of her opponent, Katzarnia Pick from Poland. On the upwind beat, LaRau picks up where she left off last time and is off to an early lead. A surprise though at the top mark from the left hand side it is Pick who is bow forward on LaRau, but LaRau has starboard advantage and this game is dead even. Whoa! Fort Starboard right there! Contact could be resulting from that and definitely a penalty flag. At the Leward Mark it's LaRau off to an early lead and Pick has a penalty to do and with that the reigning champion racks up her first win. In our next match we move to the open division where Przemek Tarnacki from Poland, number five, faces the highest ranked open skipper here, Mads Ebbler from Denmark. At the start, Ebbler's been in control of the pre-start so far. There's the guy. Upwind, Ebbler's in control of the match. It's close, but good news for him, he gave a penalty to Tarnacki. It's a luff and then attack from the Danish team. Ebbler stays right on top of it. At the top mark into the Spinnaker set and it's Ebbler's race to lose. And though he's closed, Tarnacki still has a penalty to turn. And so our top-ranked teams have each racked up a win as Ebbler seals the deal over Tarnacki. Back on the starting line it's Rita Gonclaves, a five-time Portuguese women's match racing champion. She'll face USA's Jenny Tullak, a former youth world champion. With a little over a minute to go, Gonclaves taxed to win where Tullak tied to Lourdes. Both teams late for the line, that was the gun and we're off with Tullak to Lourdes of Gonclaves. Upwind, the two exchange many tax and it's Gonclaves who pulls out into an early lead. But close action, Tullak is coming back. And now it's Tullak back in the lead. Mark I has Tullak in front but only just. For lay line for the Lourdes, Mark Tullak is stuck to the outside. Gonclaves is in control of the match unless Tullak can slide in there. Does she have rights? Already on port. Here we go but the zone has been reached. Tullak to the inside. If she can stay in front it'll be impressive and she does. Dial down, Gonclaves takes the lead. Tullak shifts to the right. Back at the top mark it's Tullak back in charge. Gonclaves came on strong right to the end. Port Starbert at the finish, Tullak swears down and crosses the line first. In our next match we move back to the open division where USA's Sean Bennett, the national match racing champion on Starbert number four will face GBR's Lucy McGregor, a former match racing women's match racing world champion and the only women's team in the open division. After the four-minute pre-start Bennett has led into the line. It's going to be McGregor behind. It's a winward. There's the gun. First shift was a righty but long term it looks good left. That should advantage Bennett and McGregor tacks away. Bennett will stay with it. Halfway up the beat and it is very close. Bennett has to keep lead bowing. McGregor has been coming on strong from the right. McGregor has just had superior speed and sailed around Bennett. Now the bow people have the poles up to Lure that's going to advantage them on the set. Tax set for both boats. Bennett pushed hard down wind and is close but McGregor maintains the lead at the bottom of the mark. A lead change. Bennett from the left is strong and McGregor now has a four-length deficit. Don't write out McGregor yet though approaching the finish line. It is her speed again that has gotten her back into Bennett. She's rolling over top of him and has to jibe one more time to the finish. Now Bennett to win when McGregor squares down to Lure and just takes the race. In our next match back with the women it's Mandy Mulder from Olympic silver medalist from the Netherlands facing Sharon Ferris-Chote from Canada. As both teams head back to the line Ferris-Chote is in a bit of trouble. Mulder has set up beautifully above the lay line into the committee boat and she'll approach the start first closing the door. Ferris-Chote now has to start behind. Our next match in the women's division has Ru Wang from China facing Olivia Price from Australia and already sparks are flying in the pre-start. Price shifts to Lure and now tries to close the door on Wang. I'm sure the Chinese team did not expect that move to tax later before we head to the start. Price tries to double-tack to close the door on Wang but it doesn't work and now Wang is going to get into the line less than 10 seconds to go. Wang was in trouble but now she's back in command and we'll start to winward. Hiking is definitely the difference in the Elliott 6 meters. You can really see these crews working hard giving it all they've got. Wang drives Price out to the port tack lay line and it'll be Price tacking on her winward quarter. At the top mark Wang is in charge and with women's match racing now in the Olympics she'll be looking to go there. She missed the last Olympics in Beijing due to an injury and she won't be happy with that. Price rolls over the top. At the bottom mark Wang has tried everything to stay with Price. The game is close but the Australians are still in the lead and Price holds on to the lead for the win. In the open division the next race has Yasser Salal Tomsin from Turkey against Lowry Jury from New Zealand. The breeze vary even across the course. The goal just get off the line clean and that's what both teams do. Almost to the port tack lay line Tomsin finally decides to tack. Jury responds. He'll take an early lead. Tomsin goes back away. The teams meet again this time on the lay line and this time Jury will clamp one right on Tomsin's bow as we head for the mark. At the top mark Tomsin is close and he'll have the advantage downwind to try and use his wind shadow and catch Jury. Tomsin has stayed close but at the lower mark Jury still maintains the lead and with that Jury wraps up Tomsin. Well that wraps up our coverage for this first day of racing here at the Nation's Cup and while the fleet finishes their final flights on the water they'll be treated to a party again tonight here at the Blue Harbor Resort and then more action tomorrow. Stay with us. I'm Tucker Tomsin. Thanks for joining us.


Now let's take a look at bonds and fixed income in a little bit more detail. As a shareholder you're essentially a part owner in a business. You benefit from growth in the company, you benefit from dividend payments should they be paid but there's no certainty of outcome. You don't know what your performance will be.  You're essentially the banker to that company and so you afforded additional protections such as guaranteed coupon payments and guaranteed maturity date of your investment. Now a lot of investors have previously used hybrid securities or listed securities as their fixed income product but there's been some big changes in the structure of these since the beginning of 2013. A lot of the protections that investors had such as a hard call date, a step up are no longer afforded and they now have significant non viability clauses and you can be left holding either shares or having your investment written off completely. So there's not a lot of certainty and that's been reflected in quite a bit of volatility in the prices of these listed securities and a significant increase in the margin of the more recent listed ones. So it's just important to know that you have these in the right basket and not using these as your defensive asset allocation. There are three types of bonds and we like to incorporate all of these types of bonds in a portfolio because as part of your defensive asset allocation it's not predicting where interest rates are going to go, it's building the protections to minimise the impact of any movement in interest rates. The types of bonds we use are your fixed rate bond, most common type of bond, you give your money to a company, they pay you a fixed rate of return in semi-annual payments before providing that cashback on the maturity date. A floating rate bond will follow interest rates up and down.  Inflation index securities provide a pure inflation hedge, that is they protect your investment as well as the income stream generated from that investment against the impact of inflation by indexing the value directly at the rate of inflation. What does that mean? As inflation increases the value of your investment and the value of your income stream increases at the same rate. Really important in an environment where you want to preserve the capital and the spending power of your investment. Capital index denuity bonds really popular in this market allows you to actually utilise your capital over the life of the bond. So instead of taking more risk to generate a higher return you can actually use your capital generate a higher level of income and therefore a higher level of lifestyle over the term of that bond. Unlike most other bonds you don't get a face value maturity payment because as I've mentioned the capital is paid to you over the life of the annuity. So let's have a look at how a diversified bond portfolio works to generate blended coupons. And what I have here is the cash flow statement of four bonds. A Qantas fixed rate bond insurance Australia floating rate bond support capital indexed inflation link bond and a Preco inflation annuity capital index bond. And you can see there that they generate very different coupon payments at very different times. If you have a look at the Qantas it pays you the same semi-annual coupon until it matures in 2020 and pays you out its face value. The insurance Australia limited bond pays you a margin over prevailing interest rates. Those coupons are priced against the current yield curve and you can see there after initially falling they continue to increase until the bond matures in 2019. The Sydney Airport capital index bond you can see there also pays a quarterly coupon a little on the low side and that's because the inflation return is indexed into the face value of the bond. And you can see that when the Sydney Airport bond matures in 2020 it actually pays you a face value back above 50,000. That's the impact of that inflation indexing. The Preco annuity bond and Preco is the issuing entity over the Australia Defence Force headquarters in Canberra. Pays you a quarterly coupon significantly higher than the other bonds and that is because it is paying you part of your capital every quarter. You can see that for the Sydney Airport and the Preco bond those payments increase every quarter. That's the inflation indexing in play. You can also see that when the Preco bond matures there is no face value cash payment. Again that's because you've received that over the life of the bond. So blending all those coupon payments together no matter whether interest rates move up or down those bonds will work in conjunction with each other to minimise the impact of your capital and those income streams those coupon payments will be protected and you can start to build your lifestyle around those annual payments. So for an investor such as an SMS or retiree investor that's looking for more certainty for them to build their lifestyle around by incorporating an allocation to direct bonds for your clients you'll provide them with an ability to reduce reliance on cash and term deposits provide a hedge against the impact of inflation, maintain income throughout economic cycles, provide regular liquidity through a diversified maturity profile and have a greater level of expectation over the performance. Bonds are forward looking. You know what you're going to get when you buy a bond and by locking in your income with bonds it allows you to ride out the volatility in other parts of your investment portfolio. So have a look at bonds. I suggest you give us a call here at FIG. We can provide you with the expertise. We can provide you with transparency and we can provide you with connectivity for your reporting. We make bonds easy.