Welcome you to the Monday, September 19th, 2022 regularly scheduled select board meeting for the town of Berlin. To my left is Flo Smith, Joe Stobb. To my right is Carl Barton, Dave Sawyer. I'm Brad Town. With us also is Vince Connie, our town administrator and Diane Isbell, town treasurer. Additions of changes to the agenda, Vince. No, sir. Oh, but comment. Hearing none. Community visit program presentation. Yep. Someone right here. Dave, thanks. Hey, please. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's all good. It's all good. My name is Brian Rowe. I'm the executive director with the Vermont Council on Rural Development. Thanks very much for having me tonight. I saw on the agenda that I got from 603 to 16, you got quite a full agenda. So I'll be pretty sustained. I'll make sure I leave time for questions. Thank you, Brian. So I wanted to do two things. I wanted to explain what our organization is that Vermont Council on Rural Development and then explain a little bit about this community visit process that we're hoping undertaking Berlin at some point in the future. The Vermont Council on Rural Development, it is an independent nonprofit organization. It's a neutral facilitator that works at the state level, but primarily at the community level. Our job is really secure what communities want to see in their community and connect groups of residents to resources to make those projects happen. Our authorization comes from the federal farm bill. That allows us to have awarded directors, it has. Within it, officials at the kind of state, federal, local level, as well as on-plant basis, private actors, nonprofit leaders. So it's a board that's helpful in bringing the resources to bear, on specific projects that communities have identified. We're independent of the state and we're trying to work on that. We only come to a community when we're invited. So we've received a letter from Vince and the town. Thank you. And we wanted to come tonight to share a little bit about who we are, and we're sure we have time to ask us questions. The other thing I would say about the Vermont Community, the Vermont Council on Rural Development, is that when we come to a community, we don't have agenda. Our assumption is that people in the community know far more than we do about community and what it means. And so we come as mutual facilitators to a clear process, right? That's what we call this community visit process that I'll explain. And it's a process that's been refined over 25 years in 86 Vermont communities. So that's the Vermont Council on Rural Development. The community visit process, and again, I'll try and keep this the same for any time for questions, is a process that effectively is helping generate ideas within the community from a large number of people across that community. And we run a series of meetings. Excuse me. Here I go. Good to go. Yep, okay. Somebody's lost. So for us, the goal of the community visit process is to end the two or three clear projects that have been identified by the community and task forces of residents ready to implement those projects. Every community is different, but we've seen, for example, housing projects in St. John'sburg, we saw it in the chapter, Senator Bill in Craftsbury, we've seen downtown investments in Johnson and all kinds of different projects. Again, it's a function of what the community wants to see and every community is really looking for. Important to think of for this meeting, the process is really not about what should the site work here. It's about bringing new capacity forward to support it in a complementary way what is forwarding happening in the community. We work really hard to make sure that it's not redundant. We put it in what the planning mission or site work order would be. The process is the kind of last piece I'll lay out, the process is basically four steps. The first step, after we've been invited to a community and we've set a time in St. John'sburg, the site work order, when we arrive, we set up a steering committee of about 10 or 15 people. That group has two roles. One is decide what are the four areas that the community would like to talk about, broad areas. So not the pop-up on Main Street, but roads and infrastructure. And that pop-up on Main Street will come up in conversation, right? But kind of set up those four broad areas that the community would like to discuss and help us with some of the initial outreach. The second meeting, the first major community meeting what we call step one, we try to make sure that everybody in Berlin hears from us at least five times in a way that's not overly known about this meeting. We try and bring out as many people some positive time to do that discussion, to engage those four issue areas. What are people's challenges? What are their opportunities? What are their ideas for action? Just to give you a kind of example, we just finished our work in Concord, Vermont, in Essex County. It's a town about 1,000 people, it's an office, it's just a great community. About 100 people out of that 1,000 showed up for that first meeting. So you get a good percentage of people from the community wanting to share their ideas and their vision for the future of that town. We do a lot of work after that first meeting figuring out what are the patterns that will occur in the community. And we come back for a second meeting, second major community meeting about a month later. We put up on the wall of wherever we're working and meeting with folks the 20 or 25 ideas that occurred across those different forms. And we ask the community to vote on those ideas. We get it down to two or three specific projects. And then we return one last time with a group of folks who call the resource team. These are philanthropists, state funders, non-profit leaders, folks from other communities that have done similar projects with what we're willing to do. And we build those task forces in that final meeting with access to all these different resource providers wanting to get off to a good start. Like I said, it takes time and every community is different, but we've seen a lot of success over the years in different communities. The last things to say are, well, I guess there's three last things to say. One is, it's a timely moment to be doing this kind of process. There's a lot happening in King Berlin. And there's also, it's a time where the federal government is a little bit more forwarding than the time can cast, whether for bigger elders there's additional resources. Two, there's a long line. There's a number of communities that are trying to engage with us. So part of my job is happening to me to go back and see what makes sense from Berlin because I've got land to engage. And the last thing is, we've under the cost of this engagement. It's about $40,000, all told a lot is on the outreach side, with two exceptions. One is we ask the select board to pay for a dinner, that first community dinner, and for a town man. Those are the two expenses that we ask for. And that's frankly, that's from experience. We want to make sure the town is invested in the community as well. We cover almost all the costs associated with that. So that, I'll stop talking, I'm not going to take any questions. Rod? Yeah. I just want to clarify that the select board out of the planning commission's budget will be, we'll take care of those. Okay. Thank you, Karla. Any questions? I don't have any questions at this time, but it's very interesting and I am in favor of it. I think it was, you explained it very well. Thank you. Very well. I just want to add that I think the most exciting thing for me about this I think is actually trying to get more residents involved in the community. And I think their outreach will hopefully cause a lot of people to come and from what we heard, it actually got a lot more people involved in town affairs. So I think that's a really good outcome, even if that's what happens, because we have trouble getting people on committees and we have had some younger people interested, but I'm hoping this will really solidify that and get more people involved. And the second thing I'd like to say is that, this is exciting for the planning commission because we've been really focused on the town center. And I think we want to see what else people are interested in and think that Berlin needs. So I think this is very exciting and I really hope we can get high up on the list. So we have a meeting October 17th at the Grange, 20 something that we would think about doing in conjunction with the state alone. Just made a note to speak to Carla about maybe having some information there and having one of the topics to talk with the residents that do come to that meeting. Yes, to obviously get the word out, that's one of the opportunities. Sorry, first we have to be chosen, I think. That's right. But just explain what it is that we're looking at as well. We're so good, we have to be chosen. Well, of course. I can't imagine not being chosen. I think the question would be timing. Yeah, and that's the challenges. There's a number of communities that have put in requests. Our board is going to make a decision next week. And so I can certainly. Oh, okay, good. With a little bit more sense of timing. Good. You know, probably next month or so. I think the timing is vital for us and I'm excited as, you know, you mentioned Carla. And I'm excited to hear the other one. We would love to work here and be close. Want to see, and is there anything about the timing that we should take back to our board? As soon as that is, the gentleman's floor, is there something to do with it? I think it, the sooner the better. In my opinion, we've got a lot going on and it would be great to really start to get some input from the residents where we should be focusing and making priorities. And if I could add to it, Brad, there is a tremendous amount of momentum in Berlin right now. We just want to keep that momentum going, right? So I would always advocate for sooner than later. And I think there's a tremendous amount of enthusiasm from the residents in the town and not all of them can attend each of the meetings or many, but I think this will be something to drive that forward. So we certainly would welcome any and all who can come here. This is exciting. COVID has made virtual attendance. Could be possible right now. Is there going to be a virtual aspect or do you incorporate a virtual aspect to your community meetings? Yes, and there's some, I'll use nuance to it quickly. One is, for that first major community meeting, we have very easy to set up a Zoom session so people can kind of just come on for an hour, hour and half and share their thoughts across those four issue areas. For other meetings, it gets more complicated and we've done it, but it can be quite challenging in the sense of if you're trying to take a vote, it can be challenging to kind of get the Zoom folks in tune with what's happening in this room. And then in that final meeting, you're supposed to do three separate task forces. That's where Zoom really struggles to kind of have you know where, how to engage. So there are, it's easy to be getting it as harder as you go. We've done all options in all different communities and so it's moving back to you all with personal guidance about what's the best way to do it. It's also only possible for the normalization of what the media is able to help in support of things. They've helped us in other communities as well and that makes the Zoom concept possible. Other questions? Comments? Do you have any other questions for us? I have none. I just wanted to add as well, being a relatively new member of the Berlin community, I'm really excited there's an opportunity to have greater discussions too. We've been working really hard. I'm a member of the Planning Commission. It's more really hard on the town center but I think it's really great to broaden that and as was already mentioned, get the ball, continue the ball at the moment and rolling. So I know that we're community discussions in the organizing of the town center. I think it's really great that we're adding more community voice into future projects as well. And not only having it, not having to stop just on the town center. Any other comments? Thank you very much. Thank you folks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Great job. Thank you. I hope it was clear. You're playing it really well. Capital fire, mutual aid, we're doing a presentation. Thanks so much. Thank you. Joe, thank you. I don't see anyone here. Joe, who's supposed to be here? Well, if you can go on a little swing back to this. Anything on this, Vince? Which one? The capital? Joe was supposed to be here to present that, Mr. Aldworth and I've got nothing. Okay, so we'll take and put it on the agenda if you can fill up with the agenda. I'll reach out after this and try to reschedule. Okay, thank you. Group 302, the sewer line. I'm Joe Luzzi. You had 290, or House 292 there on the very Montpelier Road. And last week, we went to Public Works, our sewer system, and we got to go and take a round and see what you want to do. We're fixing it, because it's still leaking on the road. The problem here is ownership of the line, if I understand it right. Everything that I said in on that board meeting the last couple of them that we've had and everything that has been reviewed by Tom, I've reviewed a lot of stuff myself personally. Prior to 1965, it clearly shows that those were, when the interceptor was put in, that those were privately owned septics that went into the river. In 65, the town put in an interceptor that some of those were connected into, but they still, the main line going into the town interceptor was owned by the residents there. Everything I've looked at clearly shows that the issue is, Mr. Luzzi's been without sewer for a year and a half going on two years, and now we're having wastewater starting to pop up in front of a lot of stations. Actually it's in front of his house. It's running down in your DI in front of him. Coming on top of the ground. I know Tom at the state was looking into it, and that's the last, that's as far as I know personally. There's no easements recorded for the town to work in that. Talking to people that had a little more information about Route 302 and the very amount that you wrote at that time, since when those lines and houses were built, that road wasn't that wide. They since widened it, and now that falls within the state right away, those lines. So there'd have to be some recorded easements to be able to work on it. I know that Tom, at the last meeting, he suggested that the public works board took on a percentage of the cause, the town and the landowners. Not having a fixed cost as of yet, it's kind of hard to throw out a percentage wise for people, because they don't know how much the money is. My suggestion was gonna be tonight, and I was willing to make a motion to have Vince apply for some grants and what we could achieve in those grants. And then after that point, Tom doing his work, coming up with a number, then we have some real numbers to work with. Problem is, in the meantime, Mr. Luzzi's gonna, he's still without, there's nothing he can do with this property. There's no sewer there, and now we're having an environmental issue with the septic bits. Well, that's pretty much the topic. It has stopped. So that's what I know about it. Where we're at. Yes, sir. My name's Nelson Huyford, with Mary at 308. Now, Joe, if I understand correctly, I mean, I'm kind of coming in here late on this thing, without the maps and everything. But, for what I understand, that there's three homes, yours, yeah, 274. The next one next to you. Which is number what? I think that's 274. 274. You're 292, 255. And 223. Those three are all hooked to the same line, right? Yeah, 228 to, no, 256, 228 and 256. So those three homes are all hooked together. And they come on the lawns, out of the road. And they connect right here. And then there's a six inch, that goes across to the map. Correct. Is that about right? So, and really you're saying right in here in the lawn, there's a broken, Yeah, back here. Broken in here, which is more or less making it all, all three of these back up to here. Where you put a plane out of there.  Yeah, that's right. So, I guess where I'm coming from, she's at 308. And when we put a new SDR, 355, from that house when she purchased it, yeah, it had the Burpo Hostel. And when we got out to the town right away, from there to the main was all nice and cool. In the last 30 years, that's the air 355, which was nice. So, she has a direct lateral right to the main. She shouldn't even be involved in that. I think the fix over here is bottom line. You said you were looking at maybe going down there, finding where that's broke and fixing it. Oh, we know where it is on there. So, why not just fix that on the lawn and fix it? It's not in the road. It's before it goes here for the six inch to the main. But whose line is it? Is it the town's, there's nothing in mind. No, no, no, anything outside that right away would be you three responsibility to fix that. Possible. I mean, I'm getting a little confused here with what you're calling private line and what you're not. I mean, you're calling the whole main line coming up Bermont Bay Road, a private line. In 1965, the town did an intercepting line on this side of the road really tight these units in. Prior to 65, the map of 65 shows those who were existing privately owned lines. Well, this piece right here was prior to facets. And that house was moved off facets where a bakery sets to here. At that time, that was all put in new on 308. This shouldn't even be involved with this situation here. Okay. We had hurricanes do a camera thing. We'll put this other end to make sure that one two of the main was in good shape. And it's nice, SDR 35 pipe, it's in good shape. And it looked like when they came up through here, they came right to the right away line. They hooked on to the old burrow right down here. And then of course we replaced that. That was of course the problem. I guess when they're talking, fixing a private line or they're talking, fixing this line right here for these three houses. Are they talking replacing the whole main?  The only issue that I understand right now, this line that was 65 has all been maintained. The only issue that I understand is these three houses here. And then possibly there's two other ones that tie in that are all private correct. Now this six inch pipe, there's a manhole right here. So you can see the six inch pipe. There's a manhole on the other side. There is one here also. So you have a pretty good system there. I mean, are you thinking of replacing from here to here? Or just- No, just this here and it's not, like I said, it's not the town. It's all private properties right here. Need to turn around. I mean, first of all, all that stuff you did, that had just gone right through it from your base of a house and bought our new SDR 35 pipe over here and abandoned whatever was in there. 300 feet. 300 feet? Yeah. I mean, it's in the state right away for me to get big permit here in my bag. Joe, you know your wall is, don't go there. Come back up here where it's on and come over. And then if you wouldn't be disturbing any of that, it would be relatively reasonable to come over. I don't know what the situation on these other two houses are. But get that down to where this manhole is. And that sums it up. Yeah, who's expense? Well, let's try to find who's line is it? Who's line is it? No, no, the rule of thumb is anything outside the town right away, it belongs to the home. The town inside the town right away, it belongs to the sort of apartment. Well, it's in an inside the right of way. I think they're lying. Yeah. I don't know why I don't know why because I'm just coming into this right here or whatever it is. I wouldn't have to get matched to the map.  You said the map through it, I thought, that it was in the right of way. And we don't have anything in the right of way, so. It is expanded. Excuse me. So Vince had legal counsel opinion on this and legal, Vince, can you speak to this? Again, from the town perspective, we had invalidate that. And again, to what Dave said, explained earlier, is exactly pretty much in line with what the attorney said that there's no clear ownership of the town of that line. Of which line are we talking about? The one that's failed. The one that's up on their property. The one that runs. That's all on the state right away. From the manhole. Does anyone check the state right away? The state has looked at that. You mean where it ends? Well. I know where it ends. Where is the state right away? In that location? The highway department making. Yeah, 25 feet, I think, from the center line of the road. Oh, it's not always that. Not always, but on my survey map, it's pretty much, you know where the curbing is? It jumps back where, you know where your big maple tree is? It's right forward to that. So I mean, if that pipes here, then yes, it would be in the town right away. Where you got the little orange stuff? That's, yeah, that's. That would be in the town right away. Correct. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know anymore. No, this is off 302, but it's the state right away. State right away. Yeah. Yeah. But as far as her place 302, it goes direct right to the manhole with a new, new thing. So I mean, she's pretty much, she'd be taking off this situation. Yeah, Tom. So the thought process with the public's work board is to upgrade all those lines down there to town standards, right? I think some of it's a two inch, three inch. And so that was the thought process because if this is happening today, it's going to happen 10 years from now, 20 years from now, Mary, is that correct? I'm sorry. Mary has a private line going underneath 302. If that fails, the cost to do that repair is astronomical. So again, it was just the thought process is the, instead of just fixing an issue today that Mr. Luzi has, let's talk about fixing the whole neighborhood. And if that, if money were no issue, the public's work board would go in and do that and then take ownership of that line. So these folks and residents would not have to worry about that into the future. That's what the public's work board has discussed. So this one section of line that you're talking about, that is on private property? Yeah, as far as you know, yes, yeah. Well, I mean, the end result is that nobody's gone there with cameras. Nobody has come up with a map. There's, you know, I'm sure when the state came through there, I mean, they upgraded and did shots and elevations and everything else with AOT and everything else when they come up through that main road. There should be a lot of information. And I think what's happening right now, a lot of people are saying stuff without having the information. And so for instance, for instance, her pipe, that was all a nice SDIR 35 that I put in the last 30, 40 years. I mean, the main line, I don't know. If you want to know the condition of it, you should have a camera. And you know what I mean? I'm sure it's fine. I believe what's happening right now is an issue, no different than anywhere's, that you have private, their sewer pipe coming down and it's not in the town right away to service there. You're saying the spot where that little orange is goes over here to the connect to the other ones? They go down towards Berry. That's what I'm saying. It connects with the other two or three homes and then goes across in the six inch to the manhole where that manhole is. The easiest thing to do is run a new sewer pipe right up through the grass, direct to the home. I mean, that's 300 feet. It's about 600 feet total. You've looked at it, okay. And he's put a camera on through it. Yeah, what's it look like? Well, it's old pipe probably put in like they figure in 1945. Is it cast or that black verchose? Black verchose. Yeah, yeah, that's what they use. And the only one that's being affected right now is a losing. The house on the Berry side of a losing is connected directly across 302, like yours is. And the next two. Why is this one getting affected? It isn't getting affected. Okay. And then the next two houses towards Berry are connected beyond the bad spot. Oh, I see. But what's, are you calling the bad spot prior to the main or? Well, it's part of this line that nobody seems to know who owns, I guess. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, the bottom line is when the old sewer plant was bit it off, which I ended up wanting. And you had to turn around and put your pump station down by further down. Basically, that was the hook on Montpeyre's pipes that went down through the main so that they could read the flow and get some type of chart. Well, when that happened, all the pipes coming up through and you're right away became yours. Unless there was some agreement or something which it doesn't seem to be. And by that happening, you took over whatever was in the town right away. Responsibility, you're not responsible for what's out of the town right away.  You could go down and apply for it. Right now, if you hurry up before the 31st, I'd be more than happy to help you. They have money through this funding. Here it is. Yeah, yeah, they have funding for sewer. And they would probably pay for that whole installation. I mean, this seems to be the more feasible way to go about this. I mean, what I'm hearing is you're good at talking about 25% town paying, 25% sewer paying, 50%, eight people paying, which can turn into a $2.5 million job. I mean, we're in a little bit of a sense here when we only got a one problem issue that needs a new pipe from the house down to the main hall. Is the town hiring an engineer to design this? I don't think we're quite that far along the process. Yeah, I don't know if we should be in seven months. Well, seven months because that pipe is broke outside that manhole someplace. It's put in 1945. It needs a new foreign sewer pipe to each house. On that manhole. Who's in there? That's the big question. They are probably the town's from going back to the day they were. The rule of thumb, from the time when there was no sewer plants in the 60s to the time that they put sewer plants in, the time that Berlin outgrew theirs, the monthly year is pretty much everything in the right away, the town owns, everything outside it, the private people. Tom? We can speculate about ownership all night. The clear definitive support that the town has is the legal council has looked at the drawings, looked at all the documents, and in his opinion, says it is privately owned. Which part are we talking about, Tom? The piece that we're talking about all the way.  Yes. That goes by one. It's actually the three, the line that runs parallel to the road that comes in. Coming back toward correct. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. As is your sister-in-law's crossing 302. Well, her is cross-direct level right to the gate. But that's, again, that's also her ownership, just asking. That is her ownership inside of 302. Sorry. Every town, every city, every place, there, unless there's some written agreement, inside the right away of that road. That's like saying you're gonna have to replace, you ate people, gonna replace the main down all the way down through. That's part of theirs too, or is it just the latter ones? You're talking. Just the latter ones. So from that main to the outside of that road, even though it's in the town right of road, you're saying she has to repair. That's her latter one. Is that the way it is in all the town of Berlin? I don't care. I don't know. Well, there you go. You don't know. I'm just saying what the town of Berlin's attorney has told us. First of all, where are all these matters? I mean, we need more information. That's the problem. We've got a lot of people saying a lot of things, but no information. And all that information is out there. It, you know, and if it isn't, the first thing that should be to get hardigans, whatever, with the camera, and find out what it is, and what condition your main is, and what, et cetera. That seems... The public's work board cleans the Route 302 main every year. And what do they think the condition of that? We know what condition our main is in. Yeah, what is it? It's in excellent condition. Okay, that's great. So now you're talking just the latter ones. Excuse me. Tom, that's from... I'm looking at the map from... It's from the very line all the way up. From the very line all the way down to the Montpelier line. The town lines. From the very town lines. Oh, yeah. You know, opinions and you know what, everybody's got one. And they jet that. We can't write. We don't camera it, but we do jet it. Jet it. Well, that's good. You know what it means. So the line is clear, right? Correct. Yeah, we do that, that main line every year. Route 302. Let me ask you this, Tom. What, if she's on her separate lateral from all these other properties, and it goes straight across, and it's all nice, modern STR 35, why would she replace it? All I'm saying is that eventually that will fail. Well, everything fails eventually. Okay, so the Mr. Luzi's of today is gonna be somebody 30 years from now coming to the town and saying, town, that's yours. And the town is saying it's not. So what we're suggesting is that that line be replaced, the town standards, those laterals go away, and then the town takes over the maintenance and ownership of that line. That's what's been suggested. Let me ask first, Tom, what exactly line are you talking about? Are you talking about on the side of the road, all of them coming back to where that manhole is? Yes. And well, let me just make a suggestion because we're going through the same thing that we went through with the Public Works Board meeting. Again, it comes back to the bonnet contention is ownership of the line, right? So with the select board's approval, I will contact our attorney and I will have him do another research and document clearly the findings, what he finds on ownership of that line, we'll inform our Public Works Board and we'll inform all the landowners in writing officially of what the ownership of that line is once it's clearly defined and determined. Again, he's been through it, I make once. One time, and then after that, what the Public Works Board was trying to do, we can put back on the table, which is a simple question in my mind. If we have clear ownership and it's a private line, number one, let's go with that assumption first. If it's a private line, the Public Works Board brought it to the select board, they're willing to participate with the landowners to bring that line up to standards and have all those laterals connect to, at that point, a town-owned line. So the question to the residents will be, do they want that or not? The town participation, or do they want to continue to own them privately and take care of it? Simple question, that's if it comes back private. If it comes back to the town owns the line and that's a whole different story at that point. Then the town and the Public Works Board will need to engage and come up with a proposal to the residents on what we're going to do to fix that line. I think it's those two options, all based on clearly documented ownership of the line. With the Board's approval, I'll proceed with that and get that determination. I would like, this is going to take time. There's money out there. I would like to make a motion that we go to events to seek out these grants in the meantime for the replacement of that line, regardless of which way it goes. If it's a privately owned line and the grants come back in a certain amount of money, then at that point, the Public Works Board and the owners and then we have some real numbers in the meantime to go. If we sit back and wait for this ownership thing to come back and some of these grants that may be available now, may not be available later. But, is there gonna be like a grant in this event at all? 308 doesn't want to be involved with this line. We're not on this line. We have our separate, no different than FACET, no different than the bowling in LA, or any of the rest of them. We have one four inch line that goes to the main. We're not hooked on to this three, four, five line back at this one. We shouldn't even be involved with this. Unless they're going all the way down the whole Bermont Bay Road and hooking it all on one side. Because that's what they're proposing to do is bring all these four or five houses to one spot where that six inch goes across and hook it in. All right, so if I may, I think we have your opinion how you feel about it pretty clear. I think if we do end up putting a universal line down the north side of 302, then we put a stipulation that if anything happens to that lateral line, it's the landowner's responsibility henceforth. And that will keep you from having to pay anything for the new and improved line, which is excellent is going to be top quality. And it will keep the town from being liable for anything that happens in the future in the line that you want to defend. That works for us. And you got you guys back there. Yeah, so we're on, I'm at 162, which is the other end of the area we're discussing and my father lives next door at 190. So we have a shared line going straight to the manhole next door to their house. We don't have any issues right now, but we were being lumped in as a proposal to being directly connected just like straight down the driveways to this new town maintained line. I'm not opposed to that idea because if we end up having a situation like Mr. Luzi's having, I would have to either dig up a hole in his yard if he still owns that house or currently next door to them, there's a house that's for sale. So there's nobody even living there. And that is where the line runs through to the manhole. So I would certainly be interested in knowing more information when it comes time to discuss that, but it really depends on the cost because even sharing the cost amongst multiple houses over a long period of time or whatever, I'd still be responsible for putting a new line from my house down to that new town maintained line, which is not an insignificant cost. But again, I do like that idea of having that kind of peace of mind going forward. Dave, can I have a second on Dave's motion? Second. Oh, now we're getting into more discussion. I could just add that the grants that I know are available are only for municipally owned assets, not for privately owned assets. There may be art of funds, as somebody mentioned, or Mr. Luzi may be able to apply to for. That being said, and that's motion and I should probably should clarify it, that if it's gonna be a town, that's what I wanted to think. And also that the landowners affected that take care of the recording costs of any easements for the town because there's none currently in place. And I don't think that'd be the town which wants to be able to take that. Personally, they should take care of the recording costs of any easements and stuff that's needed so that that line could be constructed. Yeah, Justin, I missed that maybe in the motion that you're in here. Did your motion include just putting it out to RFP and seeing what it would cost since it's been sitting on the table for so long? It's something that we need to do to get the fixed costs because to ask somebody to participate in a 50% or a 25%, 25% of what? That's an easy way to do it. We have to have those numbers. Any else on this? Yeah, Tom. At the last Publix Work Board meeting, it was discussed that the Publix Work apply for a grant to do the look at doing the planning and final design on this. Publix Work Board agreed to that. And that application has gone into the state for the review with the caveat that if it comes in fruition, it'd be municipally owned.  And so that is some time out. So again, we have a professional engineer's opinion on what the cost would be. It's roughly $150,000 is what these are professionals they know what stuff costs. And so that's the guesstimate right now that all in cost is $150,000. Now, as I understand it, there's some water coming to the surface now. Correct. That's pretty well stocked. It's stocked. Yeah, it's been stocked for four or five days. What was the cause of that? Well, I think what it is is down here in front of Joe's they have a clean out there. So what's happening is the three, four houses that are back here that all come together before it comes across into the main there's a broken pipe right back here. So what's happening is in the ground that got backed up to that clean out and started going over. I think what's happened is the people have slowed up everything. So it stopped. It only did it like bad like one or two days. And then it was, yeah. Well, I understand the state's gotten involved already. They probably have, you know, but it's as simple as going and fixing that one pipe right now. Well, it's broken down here. That doesn't mean that you can't address the long-term effects of it. But right now what the feasible thing to do is go over here and fix this one broken pipe. The town, my understanding in the feelings from the way I understand it to be is the town don't want to get involved trying to fix that when we do not believe it's not on your land. It's not on our land, number one. And number two, when you start messing with that older pipe, now we start causing problems for these other land owners. Well, it's not. As well. Yeah, what I'm saying is it's not on your thing. Correct. The rule of thumb in every town and city if a war comes over and whatever's in the right of way belongs to the town. Whatever's outside that belongs to land. It's up to the land owner to fix it. If they got to put a 300, 400, 600 foot sewer pipe to the house, it is what it is. And I can't set you up with that job. I mean, I do this all the time. They have it right now. If you get it in before the 31st and they may have an extension for that. Re-money.  Let's see. It's better than the lottery. In the meantime, they've got no sewer. If they haven't had it for a long time. Yeah. Anything else on this? Those in favor of the motion? All right. Motion carries. What do you call it? I just want to say something, but I don't know what it is. If it's just that one line that's on a private individual's land, how do you get them to fix it? Well, that's where the state comes in. If it's out of service. It's not a service. And I don't think it's at the level where they came down and looked at it. You know what I mean? It's pretty well stopped. I mean, and the fact that you've got a plan to fix it. The chances are, you know, they've been pretty reasonable. Just so everybody knows, Joe's got to get it. We've had a permit from the highway department to dig inside the highway department's right away. And we have to renew that in order to go fix the sewer line. So is it in the state right away? It's in the state right away. Yeah, absolutely. Or we wouldn't need a permit. Okay. I mean, I don't know. Because you know what I mean? We couldn't come up with the maps. We couldn't come up with. We'll go to the highway department and get the right away maps and then we'll lower it. That's what we should've done. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know why we need a permit if it's on target property. And you what? If it's broke on private property, but if it's broke on the town side, which the only way to prove that, you know, part against camera. Well, we've done it. Okay, so you found the break and it's in the town right away. Well, we know about with a break. Okay. It's not exactly the habit pinpointed, but again, I don't know why we would need highway department, agency of transportation permit to dig in their right of way if it wasn't in their right of way. I would not take that faith that this gentleman is saying that if it's in a municipal or state highway right of way that it becomes ownership of the town. No. I'll take that as gospel. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying he has to get a permit for any one we're discussing right now. The other thing from 45 to 65 that road expanded in the right of way has moved. Well, they did. They did. Correct. We're gonna change from. So just that lateral that you guys privately own, whether it's in the right of way or not, it depends on how far. But the first thing, pretty much, if you're in the grass there, you're probably outside the right of way. Unless you're in that place where it curved and it used to have the old post in it, the old white post down there. A lot of it's within the pavement. Yeah. So, I mean. So find out. We'll go to that. Go to the AOA, they'll come out of the market. Well, they'll at least give us the maps of the most current maps that they have. Well, you know. For the right of way. You know. They won't know. And find out if that's where the break is and what the deal is. I mean, that's kind of the prudent thing here to do. To find out exactly where it's from. You're insinuating that we're not prudent. No. I'm not insinuating nothing. Okay. Anything else on this? If not, we've gotta move on. Thank you all for coming. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Brian Newton. I would never. Mr. Newton is with us tonight. Good evening. Good evening. I have a drink after that. I have a drink after that. And I have also some of the other light work. Getting a big safe ticket for locations and utilities that are buried from pole three. I apologize for the crookness of this, but the proposed section to cross Island Avenue, number 84, is in the gravel portion of the road, will not require asphalt cut for restoration of the asphalt. I've also talked with Mr. Hedges. This is in an effort to separate the water system between 72 and 84. In times past, when I was a much younger man, both 72 and 84 were served by the older system that was on the east side of Highland Avenue. After numerous, can't even tell you how many times my father talked about it, low water pressure with that, my father put in a drilled well, and my grandmother, my father's mother, was living in 84. So they designed it so that both would be fed off the same large supply, not system. In an effort to sell the properties following the death of my mother, my old brother, my youngest brother, it has been suggested that the easiest remedy to the situation to separate the water supply is to reconnect, number 84, to the new water line that is now on the west side requiring us to cross Island Avenue. That's the town water line. In Crystal Springs. Maybe we're right. OK, just Crystal Springs. Well, I think the name of it is the town water company or something. It is Berlin water company. Oh, there's nothing at all to do with town water. Just to clarify that, it used to be Crystal Springs. It's still on my edges. OK. Again, if you want to take a look at this rough drawing that I have. I'd like to get a copy because I haven't had our road guy look at it yet. I'll just take a quick copy. You can't read my hand scratching. All in all, if there's any questions. It's good compared to what's deemed doing the work. Is that? I'm not sure on that. It will be done by a licensed insured contract that will provide one-way traffic. I also understand in the permit that if there is any disruption of traffic, then I need to contact the local police department and the road foreman 24 hours prior to. You have to provide traffic control, if you will, and have it delineated where they are to drive if there's a one-way situation. Would you like to see? Oh, I'm confused. Do you hear a motion on this? I'd make a motion to approve the permit. Lift the condition that our road foreman checks as it's going back together. You know, the top service that is compacted. I understand that it needs to be compacted every six lifts or lift. I can use the right terminology. OK. Any idea who your contractor is going to be? Hedges says that he utilizes DuBois. And I thought I would contact them, my own self. Unfortunately, I'm leaving tomorrow. We'll be out of town for five days on business. And I will be back to try to conduct that. Prior to this evening's meeting, I had a meeting with a radon mitigation specialist because we had a 6.9 reading in number 72. And it can only be a 4 or lower. So we're working on that aspect of it as well. It'll be a licensed contractor. Yeah, oh, it's licensed in insurance. I worked for a public utility for 37 and 1 1⁄2 years. I know what it's like to work in the road.  And she'll be very pleased to hear that. Anything else on this? And if there are any questions that come up with the rough sketch that I have here? Yeah. I did take some measurements of where the asphalt ends and to the nearest phone pole, which is in front yard of 84. And there's approximately over 21 feet of gravel between the end of the asphalt and where they're proposed. Cut is? Yeah. OK. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. You have your permit. It needs to be signed. And there's something about a. I'll get you a signed copy. Tom and I will be in touch with you tomorrow about that. OK. I'll be home probably until about 9 AM. OK. First thing in the morning, if you haven't heard from me by 8.55, call me. We'll have that taken care of. We'll get it.  And the permit number is on your copy there as well. Yeah. OK. Perfect. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Discussion with Historical Society on Office, Space, and Building? Yes. I believe we have that online. Brazil? Yeah, you're good. Thank you. This is I'm Mayor of the Dodge and I'm here for the Historical Society who had short notice so we don't have any other folks here tonight. So we're able to hear your concerns. Also, there was one. There were three agenda items that Vincent sent to me. And one of them has to do with security. And I have requested that that might be more appropriate to discuss that. In the second executive session? Not seeing the statute on that one. Well, we had some concerns that there was some information that we discussed at the last meeting a month ago that put out there the method of access and how people could access the office and made its way into the paper. So we're just concerned that some of it may be sensitive. That's all. I don't think it would stand up to the litmus test for the second session. Just be careful how we talk about that. OK. You've got the letter from the attorney and then several questions to prop the discussion with some of the concerns that were brought up. It's on the liability. Yes, the liability coverage. As I understand it, if something happens in here, our insurance will not cover the historical society. And it's our feeling that you should probably look into getting your own insurance for a contents. Mm-hm. OK. Let's see here. Do you have something specific that you're referring to? So you said you have a lawyer, so let it in here. You want me to speak to it? Yeah, go ahead. Since I talked to him. So basically, the concern is liability coverage for people coming and going from the office and also for the coverage of the contents within the office, physical items as well. Those are not currently covered by the town policy. So the recommendation is that, well, first the question is, do you have insurance on those? And if not, are you able to get that? Because that's a concern. Yeah, we never had any expectation that the town was covering the contents. And we've discussed it before. It's actually been one of my issues. And so we were in the process of discussing all that prior to the COVID, kind of putting a damper on our discussions. So we have no problem to look into our own liability insurance. Is there anything specific the town is looking to have us include as far as you, since we're using common area? Well, I think probably the big thing with the town is more that you knew that if something happens to the building that your contents are not covered. Yes, yes. We've been well aware that there's always been, you know, one of our concerns is a lot of our things are irreplaceable. So that's always been an issue. But as we've acquired a lot more supporting office equipment and such, it's raised its head again, even just for us. As far as, yes, we do have things that are replaceable. So that's just been kind of an ongoing debate within ourselves. But that's for us to figure out. But we have no problem to look into that and make you aware of our coverage. Look at this. It looks like that it's a suggestion by the attorney that they rewrite this lease agreement and to include a whole harmless provision to protect the town and also the requirements of what this insurance should be given in this new lease thing. And then looking at that on the lease, I just want to bring up that I'm reading this that this thing has been in effect since 2006. There was provision in there to raise a cola rate, which hasn't been done since then to do a little bit of a rent increase that should probably be discussed. Yes, we just require notification with towns when that goes into effect each year. So I can issue a letter about the case for what the current rate would be? Yeah, because I mean, we really don't have a way of knowing unless you notify us. Yeah, no, for sure. We don't have a problem that that's a clause in there. I just think it's simple things just been overlooked for some time and probably should get it up today with the new lease and with the current things in this requirement that the town has a whole harmless. So the building bird that they try to collect on our insurance or anything of that nature. Or if even one of their volunteers for the story about her coming into the building broke a leg or something that it's covered under their insurance and not the town's insurance. Diane, I've got a question for you. How often do you calculate the cola for town purposes? Well, it's really dependent on what the topic is. OK, well, I'm just trying to bring it into a schedule of some sort instead of saying, well, we're going to do it every quarter. No, we're going to do it every fiscal year. Yeah, annually. Annually, yeah, OK. Because we charge them annually. We've never increased the rent in 2006. And I think that Vince worked up some numbers. Where should we do that?  No, no, no, no, not at all. All right, yeah, I mean, my understanding is it would be an annual, yeah, cola is an annual increase. Yeah.  So, Meredith, I have a question. This is just, do you pay anything for like utilities or services such as that? So the way, I don't know if you've seen the agreement. We paid about almost 20% of the cost of the renovations back in 2006. We had actually offered to pay more when the town was going to be spending more. And when the townspeople kept deferring this for a couple of years and reduced your budget, reduced our contribution as well. So we ended up paying, we paid about 20% of the cost for doing the renovations to the building. And so it was the 250 that we've been paying is to cover the cost of the different utilities. I would presume it says an annual payment. So I guess I'm reading into it, but back to your point about that was the amount we read on. Yeah, I think that's why we need to update this contract because as time has gone on, everybody knows all the phone utility, Wi-Fi, all that and copier, all that is an added cost to the town. And this contract's really vague that I think we need to revisit it. I mean, the intentions, everybody had good intentions and here we are 14, 15, 17 years later. And I think it's time that we redo this lease agreement. Yeah, and I can take it up with one of our members who was party to the original multi-year negotiations that took place so I can get a little bit more background, not knowing what concerns were I had not spoken with him yet. We needed to wait until we heard what the town's concerns were. Now, Vince, was there any, I know that there was some discussions, was there some discussion about the possibilities of relocating them within the building? Is anything? No, we haven't got to those discussions yet. Is that still something down the line at some point, right? We're looking for space now. Right, we're renting space as we expand the staff right now. Yeah, now I know that the current agreement, well, I mean, we can talk about that, but I would just note that it does say a specific space. It's not any space, but a specific space. I thought it was just a square footage of space. It's defined at 336. Yeah, it's given you guys 336 square feet within the building. It's a specific 336 square feet. Is that how you understand it? It's specifically that room. I guess we had to look at the contract. I guess there's a little bit of disagreement in that, and I don't really want to get into that at this point. I just think that now's the time to, you know, because we've got added costs, you know, and office space and everything else, so, yeah. Yeah, I think there's probably some work and due diligence that we both need to do to understand the agreement and how it came to be and what the understanding of that $30,000 was to be used, you know, in consideration of. My understanding from the takeaway from this conversation is, at some point in the near future, when Meredith's done the homework on her side, we've done it on our side. I've done it on our side. We'll set up another meeting with the Historical Society for a specific contract agreement review in the near future. Sounds wise to me. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Anything else on this? I'd just like to throw another thing. I guess you have any recollections, because I guess you were a part, were you a party to those negotiations? I was on the board, but I wasn't part of the, I wasn't part of that discussion. So I didn't, I don't have any first-hand information on it. OK. What was that? Yeah. We think it's been a great synergy over the years to be able to provide that context, that historical context for the town, the townspeople, and make it accessible so that people are more likely to find and utilize our services by being co-located, especially with the town clerk. So when people are doing research, it makes it a lot easier. We get a lot of people that come in and get funneled either from our office to your office to the town clerk's office or vice versa. And it's made it especially for people who aren't familiar with the area. We get a lot of people from out of town or people who are coming in to get family information and to be able to look things up in both your vaults as well as our records. And we get a lot of people saying how helpful that is. So. So I'm just real quick looking at this here, that currently they're not having a log security log or any kind of sign-in log that we see. I feel personally that it would be nice if they had started to have a sign-in log time of date. So at least we know who's in the building at what time and when they check out. If you'd like some context to that comment, we do have our own roster, sign-in roster, that we have for people coming into our office. And anytime that we have meetings in the common area, we always have a sign-in sheet as well. So that would be incorrect. Well, no, I'd just like to see that it's given to the administrator to Mr. Conti so that we have an act that we know on a regular basis. Our thought there is that it might. And again, we have not talked since we're kind of in a listening mode here trying to understand what the town's concerns are. But being that you have access to the office as long as it's in an accessible area, you can go in and see the log-in sheet at any time. Are you aware of that? I guess nobody knows where it is. Well, it's in a very common place by the front door. So when people come in, they know to sign in. But I think what you're saying is that we just need to have, because it goes both ways anytime, then the town would, because I don't think the town's been signing into that sheet when they come into the office. So we would need to do that both ways, that anybody coming in from the town, entering the office, would also need to sign into that as well. That way, we know who's in our office. I have to go in there monthly to a fire extinguisher check. Oh, OK. Because otherwise, now we don't go. How do I know? Yeah, there's a client in there. Or occasionally in the electrical company. Is there cameras in that office? No. No, not that I don't know. I don't want to be any cameras on site, do we? No. I just like to say that I think the historical society has value. It's a volunteer organization that contributes to the town. So I would hope that whatever issues we're discussing here, we can keep very amiable and continue the service and make sure we don't create controversy out of something that should not be a controversy. Yeah, and I guess that's if I might make a comment. We're kind of feeling a little broad-sided here because all of this kind of came out of nowhere. And we really had no notification at all. And so we're kind of not sure where the concerns came from, what the concerns were. I mean, all of this is kind of new information to all of us. And it unfortunately came up with a rather physical way of finding what the town had concerns. But we're here to be partners in past, present, and future, literally and figuratively. And so we would like to keep things, appreciate that comment because I think it's important to know that we're here to be part of this. I mean, my ancestors have always been heavily involved in the town and the running of the town and in maintaining the history of the town. Harvey Dodge and Clarence were town officials for decades and decades. And Harvey funded the first book about the history of Berlin. So I have a very personal connection. You know, all of this stuff is handed down, family, generation upon generation. I mean, Brad, you know that as well. I mean, the whole, the way we run as a small town community is by embracing it and everybody contributing and supporting each other. And my family has been in Berlin since the early 1800s. So the historical society is very important to me personally as well as we feel we do provide a valuable service that people never know when they're going to find it useful to them in their lives. So hopefully we can keep this going and know that if you have concerns, we want to hear them. But let's just go ahead and share and make sure we're addressing this as a community. You know, we're not trying to be adversarial and we hope that you're not trying to be adversarial with us either. Anything more here? So take in, you're going to have, you're going to get hold of Mr. Kuzik, see what he has in mind for to protect the town and protect the historical society. Anything else, if not? Thank you very much for showing up. Thank you. One other thing I would like to ask, I guess when the key, when the door was reversed so that we now can come in the area, we were not provided a key to the door. And I just wondered, is there a reason why we don't have a copy of the key? Well, I guess my question is, I don't understand after the initial conversation why you need a copy of the key to go into the office if you're coming out and it's unlocked. Well, because you never know someone might lock the door. I'm happy to give them a key. They all want it, the board's okay with that. That's to go from this side in. Yeah, so happy to. It allows us, if we have a meeting, we can, if we need to lock the door or if someone else is having a meeting, I mean, just, I think it'd be a lot more convenient. Okay, any feelings on that? I mean, I don't. I don't have any problems with that. So just apply them to the key. Can do, anything else? No, thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And appreciate all that you guys are doing. Okay, Partridge Farm Permit Application Decision. Yeah, that's the Stormwater Runoff Permit Application that we submitted. It's 100% grant. It covers the, basically the planning phase of their project down there. I did speak with the Homeowners Association down there, you know, we were under the impression from the letter that we got that they were looking for us to participate in the funding. Really what they were asking for after talking with them is, can we help them be a grant? So the answer is yes. We can get 100% grant for the planning purpose. It's, I think the initial quote that they sent, I should have had that in the package and I didn't, was around 17 or 18,000. The actual loan covers more than that in case it runs over. We actually put in for 30 just in case, but it's 100%, again, it's 100% grant. It's not gonna be any cost to the town for that to help them with that. It covered our portion of that three acre stormwater runoff because of the roads in the area. And this is just for design, right? This is for the design phase of the project. They're not asking us to participate in my discussion with the Homeowners Association. They were not asking us to participate in any monies beyond that in the work. Your motion? Make a motion to submit the Particle Form Permit Application State Revolving Loan Program Grant Application. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. I wanted to say they've got a very colorful grant. I did that just for you. Happy grant. Stand out, stand out, crowd. Group 12 Building Demo bid. Yes, so we sent that out to three bidders. We've got one bid back with Gillespie and the conch, the bid and the IRP from Gillespie's is in your package. It's a total of $37,520. Again, that's fully covered by the funds that we have with the program that we are in for that. Pretty much it. But the pound does pay for it, and then we'll get reimbursed. Yeah, we pay up probably to get reimbursed. Yeah. These three, where would you send them to? Those are the three. Yeah. The top one was outside, sitting in this truck. I thought he was trying to get in. He did come in. Oh, he did. He was in here coming to 302. Oh, okay. Yeah, he was in here. He was sitting next to Mr. Alouzi. I make the motion to approve the one bid from Gillespie, Fughes, and Kropi, subject being the demolition of 4509, Vermont Route 12, Berlin, 05602, and the bid request, they offered a bid of $37,520 to demolish, remove debris, backfill, and seed and mulch property. Second. Okay, and any further discussion? All those in favor? Motion carries. Let's see here. Vehicle for use in office space with the Public Works Department employee, Vince? Yes, so that one. Office space, you probably saw it when you drove in. We'll come to that one a bit later, but that's covered now. The vehicle that we're talking about, the Public Works Board approached and asked, they knew that we were putting three of the old cruisers up for bid, which we have one bid in so far, but that is not due until, I think, October 3rd, so there'll be a bid opening on October 3rd on that. They are interested in purchasing the lowest cost of that bid for the use of the new Public Works employee when they have it. That was the discussion. Again, based on what the bids come in, they may or may not want to purchase it as well. Just, they don't know used cars are going pretty high. The bid that we got incidentally is from a company, I believe, that has bid on vehicles here before. They're out of Illinois, so we're anticipating a pretty good value for those vehicles as well. But I said I'd bring it to the board if the board agrees to give them the opportunity to purchase that one at the bid cost. Is the vehicle suitable for their needs, or is it just? I told them it's gonna need some dollars to put it on the road. Again, they haven't looked at it, they haven't inspected it, they haven't followed up on it, so I'm a little hesitant if it's gonna meet their needs, but again, I will reiterate that to them as well. What budget will the vehicle purchase come out of? It's from the board, so that's the fund from the water and sewer. Correct. And yourself's efficient. Those are SUVs, not pickups. Those are SUVs, correct. Two explorers and a Tahoe, but I do think at least two of the three are gonna take some money to put them on the road and keep them on the road if that's what they want to do with it. Because they're not in the best of condition. Okay, so you'd have to take a talk with public board support and see if they want to put the money up for... Yeah, to equal a bit. Yeah, yeah, I will. Okay, and maintenance about that. Anything else on this? No. Hearing none, this decision on Newtown Center branding. Yeah, in your package, there's a resolution that was put together. I believe it was a planning commission that did a lot of work on this one. Just so happens there might be a couple here tonight. And I can read it. It says, be it resolved by the Berlin Select Board that the portion of the town of Berlin bounded by the road segments of Vermont Route 62 and Payne Turnpike North, Payne Turnpike North and Fisher Road, and Fisher Road and Vermont 62 formally be named Berlin Common. And they're just asking for the board approval on that. That was what was talked about with the planning commission at the meeting, and that's what they've provided us. Do you need a motion on this? Yeah, I think so. I'll make a motion to go with this resolution as presented. Second. Any other discussion? Hearing none. Motion carries. Yeah. How about a vote? Howdy. Have you ever voted? I've voted. All those in favor? All right, all right. There, there's the vote. Here we go. Thank you. Thanks. Decision on one year on the job trail rental? The question is that do we want to pay monthly or do we want to pay an alum sum? The total's $11,010.90 cents. And I think, you know, we talked about ARPA, but Diane has also said, I think there's some money in the general fund. No, okay. Is there a savings payment song? No, no, no. Is there a chance we'll run out of, we won't have the ARPA money to finish paying? That's up to us. There's plenty in there right now. Yeah. But I don't know if down the road, the sewer commission would end up paying their portion of it. If they have somebody in there, they should. I guess that's another question that we should ask is, do we really expect a lot?  Yeah, they have a lot of space, it's a little bill. Won't you suggest? We'd rather check the house. How would you like to do this, Diane? I think paying annually just gets it over with and then like I say, down the road, when we have the sewer utilities person in there, then they have to share these things. And then they could just. Yeah, I agree. Motion on this. I'd make a motion to pay it annually, on time annually. Your second? Second. Any discussion on it? The only question that I have is wording, it says total including recurring billing charges, delivery, installation, and return. So we're paying, if this is agreed to tonight, we'd be paying that annual fee of $11,010.20 with that fee of fee every year annually, as long as it was here. Yeah, as long as it's here, that's the fee. We'd have to redo the contract again next year because I only did it for one year with the anticipation that we'll figure out our needs over the course of the next year. Not have to have that longer than a year, hopefully. And what's the possibility of not doing it with our funds? Is there, based on what you said, Diane, doesn't sound like there's enough right now to do it without what you have? I don't see what we have anything in reserve. That would have lied to that. Is that what they said? What we have in reserve is just, is more specific, but not to something like that. Unless you wanted to change or something when you went and talked about that another time. And refresh my memory, who's going out there? What's? The public works. And the two listers. The two listers. No other questions. Is this a new unit or is it a new work? It's new work. It's out there if you want to take a look at it. You're giving to us? Sure. Happy to.  I'm not getting trapped in that. Has it been set up with the library as of yet? No, Mr. Feltz is supposed to come in this week and take care of that. And how's the heating, what's the heat? It has heat, AC, central heat, AC, unit on the end of the trail. Okay. Run off electricity. Yeah, it's all electric.  They won't be hardwired. There'll be a booster on the end of the building to make sure they have enough signal. On this, on this billing here, it, the way they word it, where is it here, has the delivery in return? Yes. On it? Yes. If we keep that for more than one year, I asked him that question, right? If we keep it two years, are you gonna increase the return rate? He said the only thing that would change is the fuel surcharge. Well, I'm just wondering, I mean, each year we're paying for the return of it. No, that's a one-time fee. So if we rent it next year, that return fee will come off that price. So it should actually be less than the $11,000. Correct. Is there any way to have that removed now and pay it if and when it is returned in the future? Well, not now. I don't know. Not now, again. No, I think what would happen is they would discount it for the second year, and then if we returned it, it would be the full $11,000, $10. And that would cover the return fee. Okay, a motion on this? Nice copy. Oh, yeah, don't get it. It's been a long day. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Approvals of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. I make the motion tonight to approve payroll warrant 23-05 for payroll from August 14th, 2022 to August 27th, 2022, paid on August 31st of this year in the amount of $44,236.43. Also payroll warrant 23-06 for payroll from August 28th, 2022, to September 10th, 2022, paid on September 14th of this year in the amount of $47,468.16. Also payable warrant 23-05 for the checks 22-259 to 22-321 for payables in the amount of $244,030.79. And reconcile August bank statements for the general fund and sewer water. Second that motion. Any discussion? Yeah, I just, I may have already asked about this, but my memories are going to, what's the end hill solar again? That is the solar company that they, our electric bought down a little bit and had to stand till solar, which is panels that are not here, but we're connected to them. And we have it, part of it is sewer, part of it is water to pay for and the town pays for a portion of it. And our electric bills are lower because of it. So the fee would pay for that with our electric bill is about even. So it's not like we're saving a whole lot of money, but the time at that point is around to do something with solar. I told her that's our contribution to going for heat. Well, that's it. You know what, I may have asked that already, so forgive me. That's okay. I may ask again in the future. That's what I appreciate, so thank you. But it is, there's three different sections there. And we just pay a portion of it. Any other discussion on this? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Mr. Cameron? Yeah, they just stepped in there with the chief, but he's here. Okay, anybody got anything lengthy for round table? I do not have anything. No, I guess I will say that in first year of the board, so that's a lot of money for me, but I think it's really important that we make sure to maintain the decisions within meetings. And it's easy for emergencies to come up, but I'd like to really be sure that we comply with open meeting laws and decisions are made. And keeping on budget. I think one of the things that I really always hope to do if I was ever elected to an office, an office is be fiscally responsible, so I'm really trying to stick to the budget that's approved by the voters. Events? I got nothing. Entertain a motion to enter into executive session. I make the motion to enter executive session for the union contract, and I move that the board make a specific finding that premature public discussion of issues related to the proposed collective bargaining agreement prior to the board vote on the agreement would place the town at a substantial disadvantage. Second that motion. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none. Motion carries. I further move that the board enter into executive session which shall include the town administrator, police chief, and labor council, Scott Cameron, to review the terms of the proposed collective bargaining agreement and to provide legal counsel to the board prior to its vote on the proposed agreement. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. We're in executive session.