a lot of guys think that they're doing the right thing by asking the women what they want but women sometimes they like that the men can make decisions and it shows that they actually have character and they actually you know gives them that trust to be like hey you know this this guy could actually like protect me I guess in a certain way like people women like to see men that are sure of themselves so baby top tip for keeping our marriage hot hot hot hot hot hot what do we do that keeps it hot baby well I think you've mentioned many many many times that we have sex every day just one but I think when we really started doing that you started doing some things that kind of helped out with little things like loading the dishwasher putting the kids to bed doing the little things that kind of took care of me I guess and then it was almost like you realize that that really paid off so I really started you know yeah so what she's saying is that mama was ready to hand out treats when dad started helping out around the house had simple reinforcement that went a long long way guys listen to me it took me a long time I really didn't help out around the house I'd go and throw my shoes in I didn't want to do the dishes and literally I went in I started doing these things putting the kids to bed making sure that the sink was clean letting her go take a good shower boom I would come into the bedroom and oh shoot the magic was happening is that what you said yeah pretty much and the thing is and now you're looking for stuff to do which is really crazy I'm looking to get everything dirty yeah yeah you get reinforced so yeah it does help actually a lot of people take that for granted and they don't really really can appreciate that but as women we take on a lot of like the dirty little tasks that people overlook so if you want her to get super dirty get clean yeah that's a good one I like that actually all right babe so obviously we got a lot of families out here what is the the top parenting rule that me and you have well I think we made a lot of mistakes as young parents and we fall in love with our kids so much that we tend to defend them in the wrong way so when kids get very confused because they might come to one parent and they get one reaction that's a big deal to one and not to the other so they kind of like to play us so we would always like be against each other in the very beginning so we came up with a very simple rule that was like you need two yeses for a yes and you only need one no for no and if we disagree with something that our kids say we don't show them that we disagree we have a conversation about it and then we come together yeah you can never disagree in front of your kids yeah because they play you yeah yeah that was a big one so somebody would come and ask jack one of our son or a daughter would come and ask jackie and she would say no and that means we're done okay but if she says yes that means you got to come to me and also get a yes and two yeses equal yes but one no is done it also helps with the favoritism because when you have multiple children you know we have one son and two daughters you know they might get a different reaction the girls get one from dad they're like oh daddy this or that like when you have to get the two yeses they play of course you can have whatever you want and then they go to mom she didn't let that happen then our son goes to her and then she's like oh whatever you want son and then i'm like no dad says no but for my little girls yeah yeah so that rule definitely helps with the favoritism it doesn't make your children feel like they can get whatever they want and they don't play you that way but also it maintains a good relationship yeah so two yeses for a yes one no for a no all right so i wanted i want my wife to explain what were the first impressions that you had of me like what's the first thing you thought like damn like is that is that kind of what you were thinking actually no it wasn't it really wasn't because back then you had frosted tips you were very very bulky and unhealthy looking you over tanned did i have a sex back i'm just kidding no you were you were just thick and very like bulky and in big i was in bulking season is what she said but you did trick me because you did used to wear a tie and slacks all the time even though you had your frosted tips and all that but you did dress up really really nice and then you got the girl me and then you started wearing shorts and ripped stuff and all that so you did trick me four-inch inseam right here t-shirts and you were extremely cocky so it took me a little while to really understand that the real andi elliott was actually a nice guy he's very thoughtful in all of that but but yeah my first impression was not like oh yeah like it wasn't like oh my gosh like i really want to talk to andi elliott but don't let her fool you she wanted it okay i was the first girl that ever rejected you for the record that's right that was weird but it worked out really nicely and i love the new and improved andi elliott and he was worth waiting for he was worth waiting for for sure all right so a lot of people always say andi how'd you build this bad business right and actually i didn't build it my wife's actually the one that built it and by the way she looks because my wife doesn't like to take credit for anything but she actually deserves the credit because number one the culture that we have my wife has allowed us not to walk on eggshells and be around people we don't like and that was something that she put in place because as me as a sales person we've been around high achievers our whole life and some of them we liked some of them we didn't she said we're not going to be around people who aren't who we want to have around us that was something that she said that's why our culture is so amazing she had the courage to make that decision when i didn't have it hey guys what's going on it's andi a lot of you leave comments telling me that you need help do me a favor i'm gonna take the best way to get a hold of me shoot me a text message right now 918 210254 918 210254 i'll help you with whatever you need i got your back for life let's get back to the video also um how we spend our money we reinvest every dollar that we make back into our business and continue to build it right like it's just crazy jackie's actually the entire backbone of our company um she has these standards i mean literally when i say jacklyn could be in the cartel she could be the mafia she has these standards that even men don't carry and i mean like the way that she does business it's like dude we're going to do this this way we're going to run this hard we're not going to cheat we're not going to go to bed at night you know without doing the right thing and there's a reason we always talk about in cartel movies right like the men always die because the men are always like one more ride one more deal we'll see what we do jackie knows when to call it you know jackie will push it she knows when to call it yeah she's got this and i call it a motherly instinct but it's this woman instinct that's dangerous and uh anyway so that's the reason why our whole company has grown so awesome is because of her she's the ceo um she's everywhere with me everywhere we go she runs sales meetings every day but the crazy thing is the camera's always been on me but it hasn't been on her but she's actually the one doing it so if you want to know why i got so good i've got a good coach right here yeah making decisions based on money is one of the things that have uh has separated us and changed and because of it i think that we have made money because we don't make those decisions based on money we don't jump into things we actually would rather be around those good people that have the right you know intentions that actually are coachable that are good to be around that actually care about the company that actually want to be a part of a growth that actually want to pour into people in the same exact way and everything that's why i think that we have grown hasn't been because of me but that's a standard that we've allowed for sure all right baby so we got a question so what standards should should the women have for dating i think a lot of times a lot of women you know they they try to show a side of people that they aren't really or they try to just please the wrong people like they might hang around certain friends that that do certain things i think a lot of times you know as women we don't realize that what the guy is really attracted to is really who you are like being simple and really understanding who you are and what you like to do like you don't have to go and try and press everybody or try to fit in with the crowd like they're looking for somebody that's different i mean people like diversity they like different so what you're saying is whoever the hell you are like bring that to the table because being like you're everybody else it's like you're just everybody else why not choose her her her her her or the girls when they go like and have a meal sometimes they go and they order a salad because they go well i can't order a salad because i don't want to you know make my lipstick get messed up or i want to don't want to show that i eat the certain way jackie has a big cold beer and a steak i don't drink beer i'm just that's what i was but i will order the steak maybe two but i'm just saying just be who you are and the thing is that the right person is going to be attracted to who you are you don't have to pretend like you're anybody else and that'll show that other person that you have that confidence in that you love yourself because nobody can make your own decisions and you are who you are and and dude i think it's attractive when you don't need someone else right to be your identity you have your own damn identity exactly have your own identity and show that you are actually in love who you are and people are going to love people that love themselves and own because so many people once they see that somebody else likes something else my dad went 10 years eating onions with his wife without saying anything what a dumbass he should have said i don't eat onions i don't like onions but he didn't do that and after 10 years he finally told his wife i don't like onions and she would have been okay with not giving him onions that's the problem and the thing is that a lot of people don't be a don't be a pushover yeah definitely don't be a pushover well i think men a lot of people forget that you know men have to lead and sometimes like it's good women like to see men actually pick places to go like a restaurant oh we're going to go to this place they're surprised you you know like going somewhere not necessarily what would you like to do and a lot of guys think that they're doing the right thing by asking the women what they want but women sometimes they like that the men can make decisions and it shows that they actually have character and they actually you know gives them that trust to be like hey you know this this guy could actually like protect me i guess in a certain way like people women like to see men that are sure of themselves especially women that are confident they want another confident guy i think a lot of times people like think that we don't want a weenie nobody wants a weenie or maybe they do that kind of weenie and if you call it a weenie then it's not the right thing that's not yeah so andy what is one thing you can do to have a deeper connection with your spouse hot damn i've been waiting to answer this all day long all right so rule number one men women everybody listen it up all right if you want to have a deeper connection with the person that you love go get two you'll get two wine glasses get a get a big bottle of wine put it right in the middle of the table a little for her a little for you smash that fill it again or we do tequila and then and then you're going to ask your girl a simple question to say babe i need to ask you a question i need you to tell me the truth hey but you got to do it a little more central oh yeah yeah my bad hey babe i should look at me when you're telling me i need to ask you a question you can ask one or two ways am i your fantasy or or you could say babe tell me the truth because i know i'm not your fantasy because i listen to me there's lots of options it's like a buffet in this world listen to me do you have the courage to tell me let's let's get close closer than we've ever been what your fantasy is tell me i want us to trust each other and get closer let it out yeah now listen i want to tell you something right number one listen to me if you and your girl truly want to be best friends if you do that means you must know something about each other that you don't currently know okay a lot of women talk to their friends they're their best friends or husbands not but a lot of guys talk to their friends they say say things that they can't say to their wife you want a deeper connection this is your best friend me and you are best friends so we're going to i'm going to say hey babe tell me your fantasy i'm going to rephrase what you're saying because i think people can really understand take it so many different ways i think what you're trying to say is that you need to have that vulnerability with each other that you can share even the darkest deepest secrets about try you trust each other and you trust each other to do it that's how you get deeper relationships is by trusting each other so you have to tell each other something that again makes you vulnerable that makes you a little bit scared something that you probably have never told them but also you trust them not to judge you that's in case it is something crazy which i'm just saying right ideally it's allowed it's allowed to be crazy it is but it's just between you two and once you guys put that down on the table you guys take another drink and then you know what you guys do you guys sit there yeah you go have some sex and you role play no and then you laugh about it and you become best friends and you have a deeper relationship that's just one of the rules that i would tell you that's a way to get it


Good morning and welcome to the 2020 Congressional Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Expo. I'm Dan Bersett, the Executive Director of the Environmental and Energy Study Institute. We will soon begin our second panel of the day, Macro Benefits of Microgrids in just one moment. Over the course of the rest of the day, we will feature welcome messages from the members of Congress who lead the House and Senate Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Caucuses. We would not be here today without their support and without the support of their excellent staff. And to help introduce this panel is my privilege to introduce United States Senator Susan Collins from the great state of Maine. Hello, I'm Senator Susan Collins. I'm pleased to welcome you to EESI's 7th Annual Congressional Expo and the first ever virtual expo. As a co-chair of the Senate's Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Caucus, it is my pleasure to introduce the next panel, the Macro Benefits of Microgrids. This distinguished panel, which includes experts from the National Association of Energy Service Companies, New Jersey's Clean Energy Program, and the Electric Power Research Institute, will explore the benefits of this exciting technology. Microgrids are relevant to the many islands located along the more than 3,000 miles of Maine coastlines. Maine's island communities have long had to be creative to obtain electricity, but the power is often costly. Several islands, including Isla Ho, are now looking to microgrids as a way to cut costs and rely less on outside sources for power. Thank you again for joining this expo, and please help me give a warm welcome to the next panel, the Macro Benefits of Microgrids. Great, thank you so much, Senator Collins, for joining us, and thanks to your wonderful staff for everything they have done to make today possible. They really couldn't be a nicer group of people to work with. EESI was founded in 1984 to provide nonpartisan information on environmental energy and climate issues to policy makers on Capitol Hill and to the public. We do this in different ways, including by holding briefings, which are all archived online, and writing fact sheets and articles. I encourage everyone to visit us online at www.esi.org and sign up for our bi-weekly newsletter, Climate Change Solutions. That is really the best way to keep up with all of our work. This next panel is Macro Benefits of Microgrids. These facilities deliver considerable reliability and resilience benefits, not just for the off-takers of their energy output, but also the rest of the grid. Resilience in particular is a top priority of EESIs, and has implications for everything from national security to the ability to recover from severe weather events. You will hear about the value proposition of microgrids, which is a lot more complicated than you might guess, as well as how new technologies are making these applications better than ever. Even though we're online, we will still take your questions. Please follow EESI on Twitter at EESI online and send in your questions that way. You can also send an email to EESI at EESI.org. We will draw from your questions submissions after we hear from our panelists. Our four panelists today are Joy Ditto of the American Public Power Association, Timothy Unruh of the National Association of Energy Service Companies, Harash Kamath with the Electric Power Research Institute, and Doug Vine of the Center for Climate and Clean Energy Solutions. For full biographies of our panels, visit www.esi.org. Joy, we're going to kick it off with you. Welcome to the Expo, and I'm really looking forward to your presentation. Thank you so much, Dan. Thank you to you and EESI and also to Becky Blood, a longtime friend of mine who works with you on putting this Expo on for helping to include me in this panel. It's an esteemed panel, and I appreciate being included. So before I get started, I know we have a few minutes for remarks about kind of level setting who we are. I am the president and CEO of APPA. I came back in January after having been president and CEO of a related organization, the Utilities Technology Council, and I'll bring some of that experience to bear here today from the technology side. Prior to that, I was at APPA for 15 years and then prior to that on Capitol Hill. So I've been working on energy and electricity related matters for about 20 years now, but I am not an engineer. We are joined on this esteemed panel by many engineers who can give you some of the details on really the nitty-gritty of how this operates. But I see things through sort of a different lens, and we'll also bring the perspective of smaller electric utilities and how we manage microgrids and how we've managed them for many years and will into the future. So what is APPA? What's public power? APPA is the national organization representing the interests of the approximately 2,000 public power utilities that operate across our nation and in a few territories. We're in 49 states, all but Hawaii. And the vast majority of our members are in communities of 10,000 people or less. We do have some larger cities that you'll hear about, but for the most part, we're very small utilities. So in some ways, our members were kind of the original microgrids, meaning back 100 years ago and even more recently than that, before the bulk power system really became the most economic way of generating and producing and distributing power. We were really on our own in many cases and providing power to our small community on our own and kind of as a microgrid is envisioned. So that's who we are. We also are just to be clear. We're not for profit electric utilities. We provide our electricity at cost. We're typically affiliated with municipal governments. We employ about 93,000 people across the country and provide electricity to about 2.6 million businesses. So I am a big fan of definitions. And so I'm going to start off and you may have heard this already if you were participating in the previous panel, but what is a microgrid? How is it defined? And the Department of Energy defines a microgrid as a group of interconnected loads, so demand, and distributed energy resources within clearly defined electrical boundaries that acts as a single controllable entity with respect to the grid. A microgrid can connect and disconnect from the grid to enable it to operate in both grid connected and island mode. So this also, even though this seems like a simple definition, I think there needs to also be a brief understanding of how electricity works. Electricity is produced and consumed instantaneously. While we've made strides in energy storage and especially in recent years, it's still not ubiquitous. It's still expensive. And it's still maybe not quite as reliable as we'd like it to be for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365. So we need to keep the lights on continuously at every second of every day. So I just want to be clear that that's the case in a microgrid situation or outside of a microgrid situation. So on those main islands that Senator Collins was talking about, they're challenged with keeping the lights on in their communities all the time, no matter what they're doing with their generation portfolios. So I just will say that the ability to sort of island and use microgrids is typically the defining feature of such a grid. You want it to operate on its own and it's also a system that can manage load or demand and distributed energy resources such as wind, small wind, solar and other types of combined heat and power resources. And it may be able to optimize energy efficiency and operations, reliability and grid services. Looking ahead, I think these systems will likely become more complex. Because we're increasing the usage of sources that are intermittent, like wind and solar, again, electricity needs to be produced and consumed instantaneously. So if the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining, you have to do something else. So if we can integrate those dynamics in a microgrid, that will be really interesting and I think will be very helpful. But it requires frankly a lot of technology to do that integration. So there's a lot of promise with those types of technologies as we move forward, especially in microgrids. But you still need to balance and manage those intermittencies and also adding storage and perhaps adding electric vehicles, other technologies. There's a lot of balancing that needs to occur. And how you balance that is related to frankly telecommunications technology. You have to have a network that you're able to see those grids and turn things off and on instantaneously. And that is enabled by telecommunications technology, which allows sensors to go on certain generation sources so that you can know quickly what's going on and bring on other generation sources so that you don't get a blip in your system. So the technology piece is really important in the telecommunications piece that underpins it. So when we're talking about being able to island, you also have to contemplate that there's a communications component that needs to be also be reliable. And so whoever's operating that communications component is important. Is it the utility? Is it a third party provider like a telecommunications carrier? Also, telecommunications technology has to be energized with electricity. So if the electricity is down, the telecommunications doesn't work. So it's this kind of integrated system. So you have to have backup power for the telecommunication system. So there are some complexities here. I think we're up to the challenge of meeting those complexities. And in public power, in addition to kind of being the original micro grids, as we have moved forward, where we see the need is really related to resiliency, which is something Dan mentioned already. So particularly when we serve military facilities, we've long worked with them to make sure that they can continue to function if our grid is down from a storm or some other reason. So we work with them. That's kind of a resilience piece. And there are other of our customers who really care tremendously about that resilience piece, not just the military but others. So we've long worked with them on micro gritting their systems. We also are again looking forward and really kind of testing some of these other newer technologies and renewable technologies to see if those can work as an integrated system. And much of that that we're doing is almost a research and development and demonstration, kind of that practical application of this technology. And we're often doing that in conjunction with universities, with our research arm, which is the demonstration of energy and efficiency development or DEED. We also work with EPRI who you'll hear from. So there's a research and development kind of component to this, a testing, a test bed component, especially with some of these new technologies. And many of our members are again partnering from a funding standpoint with other groups and also with research and development grant entities like DEED and EPRI to deploy these newer technologies in a microgrit setting. So with that, I will give some examples later during the Q&A of some specific places where we are seeing some of these interesting and exciting microgrid research and development and sort of testing occurring. But with that, I will end and turn it back to you, Dan, and hopefully looking forward to the Q&A. Thanks. Great. Thank you so much. Tim, we're over to you. Thanks, Dan. And Joy, I know that you said you weren't an engineer, but I think that I've got an extra, I'm an engineer, pin somewhere. I'm going to send to you because that was a great set of definitions for an engineer. I'm Timothy Unruh, the executive director of the National Association of Energy Service Companies. I am an electrical engineer and I've worked in the efficiency installation business for about 20 years and also served at the US Department of Energy for eight years serving as the director of the Federal Energy Management Program, also known as FEMP, and as the deputy assistant secretary of renewable power. I'm also involved in the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers in various standards-making processes. So today, we're here to talk about microgrids. And I think it's wise to state my definition for microgrid before going too far. It will not be as good as Joy's definition. She obviously did her homework better than I did. It wasn't even until recently that my spell checking program even recognized the word microgrid. I always had to put a hyphen in it or override the spell checker to let it have the word microgrid.  I love the phrase about the original microgrid from American Public Power Association. As an electrical engineer, I know that small independent grids have been around since the beginning of electrical power. Even before we had integrated utilities, basically, all the power was delivered through what you might call a microgrid. So today, when we talk about microgrids, I think of a grid or a subset of a grid that has implemented controls that allow the grid to function or perform some additional functionality related to resiliency or efficiency. Note that I didn't say reliability, as I think probably all grids are always built for a reliability component. They probably have some resiliency components as well, but I think we're trying to enhance resiliency in a lot of times when we're thinking about microgrids. Again, reliability is the ability to keep power flowing. Efficiency is the ability to use the power more effectively, and resiliency is the ability to restore power upon its loss. My organization is called the National Association of Energy Service Companies, or simply NASCO. My member companies install energy efficiency retrofits in buildings. And these installations cause substantial savings to occur in what otherwise would have been wasted energy. The monetary amount of those savings, along with operational savings, provide the cash flow stream that can fund the repayment of the investment into energy efficiency in those buildings. Advanced controls on the electrical power system have always been a part of these projects, but there's been a change over the last few years to increase size and sophistication of these microgrids. While early on, controls might have implemented such simple things as demand reduction, today the implementation is often coupled with renewable energy and storage to accomplish a resiliency measure. Most of our projects are done with public sector buildings, federal buildings, state, city, county, K-12 schools, universities, and hospitals. These buildings, especially today, are being asked to do functions beyond their original intent, from shelters to public meeting spaces, even today, hospital facilities. Our public buildings are being stretched beyond their original intent. And we have begun calling them mission critical facilities as their use has become critical components of fulfilling the mission of our government. A challenge we face with the need for resiliency is funding, where we can implement most efficiency measures to paid for by savings efforts resiliency, which is closely tied to efficiency, often lacks the expense history to justify a future saving stream. In other words, the changing paradigm of today means we are asking more from our public buildings than we've ever asked in the past. Our buildings are focused on keeping the lights on and keeping the occupants safe. Electrical power is critical for both and microgrids offer the functionality to enhance the systems supplied by the utility. As an example, let's consider the microgrid installed at a Marine Corp site in South Carolina. That system has a natural gas fuel combined heat and power plant of about three and a half megawatts, solar foldable take of one and a half megawatts that's distributed in four megawatts at a single location. The system also has substantial battery energy storage system. The microgrid in this case allows for high speed controls that can load shed, dispatch generation, batteries, and solar to optimize operation, both quick and connected to the grid and when isolated. This type of system highlights the integration of the efficiency and resiliency needs of the site. Efficiency is supplied by the combined heat and power plant coupled with solar foldable take to provide low cost electricity, as well as the source of heat for the site. However, resiliency is supplied by having independent generation and the control of that generation. Coupled with the battery storage, the microgrid allows the site to reduce its operating costs at the same time, improve resiliency. As we look at most projects, we learn that efficiency and resiliency are tied in their implementation. From the simplest look at window replacements to save energy, but then upgrading those same windows to be storm resistant, making the building efficient and resilient at the same time. Microgrids are uniquely positioned to provide the same coupling between efficiency and resiliency. Advanced controls at the microgrid and in the building can coordinate internal loads, onsite supply, and your external utility availability to result in a location that can withstand power loss and operate efficiently. The future operation of our grid with the inclusion of renewable energy, a variable type of power source will inevitably lead to the need for additional load control and onsite generation control to allow our use of the electrical power to match its availability. Thanks, Tim. Harash, welcome to our panel today, really looking forward. Your organization's name has already been taken in vain. Looking forward to what you have to add to our conversation today. Great, thanks, Dan. We really appreciate having an opportunity to be on this panel along with these very distinguished speakers. I'm Harash Kamath as Dan said earlier. I lead the research area for DER integration and energy storage at EPRI. EPRI, if you're familiar with us, we're the Electric Power Research Institute. We do public interest research in energy and the environment. We are primarily a technical organization. However, today I'm not going to go deep into the technology. In fact, I think that Joy and Tim have defined the microgrid very well. So I'm going to focus my discussion here a little bit on why microgrids make sense right now and why things are changing. Microgrids are not new. They've been around for quite some time, actually. But most of the microgrids that we've seen in the past have been based on distributed generation that's based on, for example, natural gas or gasoline or other types of liquid fuels or gas fields. Now what we're seeing is the possibility of creating microgrids from solar and storage and other new technologies that are much cleaner than what we've seen in the past, and which make much more sense from a economic perspective. So to start out, we have to say, why are we seeing so much deployment of distributed solar and storage? Most of it is driven by a number of different drivers, bill reduction, of course. There's tremendous interest in lowering bills from the customer side. Response to, and a lot of that is response to renewable incentives as well as a commitment to renewable generation. We have people who are very interested these days in controlling their own generation primarily because of their commitment. And that's not just on the personal side. That's also on the corporate side. Many companies are seeking to reduce their carbon footprint or become net zero carbon in a way that they see of doing that is install their own solar resources and even using storage on site to increase the amount of energy that they get from their solar that they can use locally. All of this has been made possible through Better Technology, which has lowered costs substantially over the last decade. And as you know, it's been a lot about solar, but more recently, it's been a lot about storage. And that raises some very interesting possibilities for micro grids. So a lot of people don't know that just because you have solar doesn't mean that you can maintain your power in an outage. A lot of solar systems are designed to operate only when the grid is online. And so if you don't have a grid, then your solar system may not be able to give you your power during an outage. You can fix by having storage on site. And so the solar plus the storage system can create something that gives you a local power. And that's what many people call a micro grid. If we have some capabilities to link up neighboring buildings and installations, then you can expand the boundaries of that micro grid to incorporate more than one customer, a number of customers. So what we're really seeing is the capability of maintaining resiliency, being able to get back on the grid, get back on power a lot sooner than you would normally be able to do because of the existence of solar plus storage. In addition to that, having micro grids and actually creating, having systems to control these micro grids can actually improve the integration of these renewable resources by allowing us to control them better and orchestrate the way they deliver energy and ultimately help us make better use of the energy that is being delivered from a distributed solar. And finally, we can even think of using these solar and storage systems to operate even during those times when the grid is not, is still up 99.999% of the times that the grid is still out there delivering power. These systems can actually deliver services back to the grid. And that's a very powerful potential for the future. That said, we have to remember that adopting micro grids, there are some technical challenges to it. It is more than just simply installing solar plus storage. It involves installing controllers that let us orchestrate all of this equipment out there and be able to control it in a way that maintains the level of reliability that we've come to expect from the grid. We've done a lot of feasibility studies to look at this, to see what's required out there and to see if it makes economic sense. And I'll point out that even today, even with all the cost reduction that we've seen, a lot of these micro grids are not immediately evident as a economic option. They don't necessarily make sense when you look at the numbers. That's today, the cost continues to fall. And as the cost falls, we will see increased adoption of micro grids for resiliency purposes. And I wanna point out that resilience is a very hard number, it's very hard thing to put a value on. There are many people out there who value resilience very, very greatly. So it doesn't have to make economic sense on the basis of energy. A lot of people are gonna install micro grids anyway. And as we see those, that installation, just as we saw a lot of installation of solar, long before it made sense to put solar on just from a purely economic perspective. So don't be fooled by a lot of the folks out there will say, well, this stuff doesn't really make sense. The grid's out there and it's very reliable. All of that is true. But the fact of the matter is that there are many customers who are willing to pay substantially more than the price of energy that they've got right now to make these micro grids possible. And these micro grids are not always going to be more expensive than our conventional energy choices. This is a really important thing to consider when we're looking at adoption. This is especially true in a world where we have an increased incidence of natural disasters that can take out the grid and an increased reliance simultaneously on electricity. So there's incredible interest in actually deploying micro grids for these purposes and we will have to work to accommodate these micro grids into the existing planning and operation pathways of the grid. There's still a lot of work to make this happen. There are still a lot of technical challenges that are out there that we have to try to address. There's a substantial amount of work that we're doing at equity and in collaboration with our partners of the APPA, as Joyce said earlier, with organizations like DOE, which is funding a great deal of research in micro grids and in micro grid related technologies through the national labs. There's also a lot of work happening at the utilities in America who are always trying to maintain a high level of reliability for their repairs and for the customers of electricity here in the US. In short, it's a very exciting time for micro grids and for resilience. This is a technology with a lot of potential for the future, something that we're going to see increased adoption of as time goes by and we're very excited to be a part of this mission. That's great. Thanks so much. And Doug, really looking forward to your presentation. Thanks for joining us this morning. Thanks Dan and thanks to ESI for hosting this event and for the opportunity to speak here. Quickly for those of you that are not familiar with the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions or just C2ES, we are an independent, non-partisan, non-profit organization that's been around for about 22 years now. So our mission is to forge practical solutions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, expand clean energy, and strengthen resilience to climate impacts. And I think that's a pretty good segue into this topic of micro grids because just as C2ES is looking to mitigate carbon emissions and strengthen resilience, as the other panelists have noted, micro grids can do both. So we've been seeing power sector emissions in the US, they've been falling over the past 10 or 15 years, generally, as the trend, we're on a downward trend and we continue to look for strategies to build on that momentum. Scientists tell us that we're going to need to make even deeper reductions in emissions in the coming decades in order to avoid the worst impacts of climate change. And at the same time, we also know that climate change is here and now. We're already seeing the effects of a changing climate in terms of things like sea level rise, more frequent downpour events and intense storms. So C2ES is interested in both the mitigation and the adaptation attributes of micro grids and other forms of distributed generation. So as several of the panelists, I believe all of the panelists have already mentioned, micro grids have been around for a long time. But I think in presently, or micro grids sort of, they had their aha moment about eight years ago in October, 2012, when Hurricane Sandy cut off power for many days to millions of homes and businesses in the Northeast and a few areas, mostly parts of universities, a few other micro grids kept the lights on using their own islanded power generation systems. And this ability to sustain electricity during widespread natural disasters is probably the primary reason for the growing interest in micro grids today. So historically, micro grids, they have, in the past, they've used combined heat and power and reciprocating engine generators, which rely primarily on fossil fuels. But as some of the other panelists have pointed out, as micro grids are, new micro grids are becoming greener and they're able to incorporate more solar power, energy storage, and other clean energies, clean energy technologies. So specifically, micro grids, they can reduce greenhouse gas emissions in two ways, at least two ways. They offer the opportunity to deploy more zero emission electricity sources within the micro grid itself. So we had a good definition of a micro grid from Joy. So I don't need to reiterate that, but a micro grid can balance generation from the intermittent renewable power sources, small wind or solar with its dispatchable, say natural gas fire generation. And additionally, as the price of storage has come down, they can also use energy storage to balance production and usage within the micro grid. The amount of renewables that can be deployed into micro grid will be highly dependent on the setting. So whether it's an urban, suburban, or rural micro grid, the particular geography and the climate of the micro grid. The second way that micro grids reduce greenhouse gases is by making use of energy that would otherwise be lost. So since micro grid electricity is generated adjacent or very close to where it will be used, line losses are minimized. So not as much electric power loss and less power is required to meet an equivalent level of demand. So when the electricity is generated from certain centralized power sources, a large centralized natural gas or coal plant or a large nuclear power plant, they generate a lot of heat, but typically that heat is wasted. It goes unused up the smokestack. But when you generate the power close to end users, then it becomes economically feasible to use this heat energy productively. So we need to take advantage of all of the potential attributes that micro grids have in order to improve the value proposition. So we can use this heat productively for heating water or space in nearby homes and businesses. Therefore we need less fuel to be combusted overall. So we achieve lower greenhouse gas emissions. So in addition to the mitigation of emissions, micro grids also have their grid resilience attributes. So I mentioned earlier that micro grids can continue to power and can continue to provide electric service during and soon after extreme weather events like hurricanes. They also can, Haresh mentioned this as well. They can also help the macro grid recover from a system outage either indirectly by sustaining services needed by restoration crews or directly by helping to reenergize the macro grid. Great example of micro grid is the one that's located about a dozen miles from the US Capitol in White Oak, Maryland. It's one of the larger micro grids, the Food and Drug Administration Federal Research Center micro grid. It has an inherent resilience and reliability value to the FDA. So there is a tangible monetary loss to the organization.  So there have been several instances where the surrounding macro grid went dark. There we had a famously, we had a 2011 earthquake in the DC area. There was a 2012 derecho event. I mentioned Hurricane Sandy. There have been other hurricanes and other storms and the FDA's micro grid has been remarkably reliable and resilient and it's remained online through all of those events. The micro grid does incorporate some solar power as well and it's projected that it prevents about 72,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide, equivalent emissions per year. And it does help the supporting surrounding macro grid. It provides ancillary services, which is another way that micro grids can find value and get an additional revenue stream for themselves. So utilities have found that micro grids can be helpful for them particularly in instances of where there are remote power locations. A very famous example is in Borrego Springs, California. It's kind of the end of the line town on the edge of the metropolitan area and they have a mixed ownership micro grid there that provides clean, reliable and resilient backup power, not backup power, cost effectively and that hard to serve isolated community. So I wanna draw your attention to three papers that C2ES has done on micro grids. So the easiest way to find them is just Google C2ES and micro grids and I think you'll see all three of them. We also have a video that is very good of an event that we had in conjunction with George Washington University and you can also listen to a webinar that we had a couple of years ago on micro grids. So I wanna talk just a little bit quickly about a couple of the challenges facing micro grids and this is from one of those three papers. Yeah, I've mentioned all of the micro grids that they currently provide just a tiny fraction of US electricity but their capacity is expected to grow significantly. I mentioned that the interest in micro grids is their ability to improve resilience and reliability, increase efficiency, better manage electricity, supply and demand and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. As an aside, there was just a recent Wood McKenzie report that came out that noted that 546 micro grids projects were completed in 2019 and that's a record number. 86% of those micro grids were fossil fuel-based but they do project in their five-year forecast that solar, wind, hydropower and energy storage will grow to account for 35% of annually installed capacity by 2025. So in the near term, we're gonna start to see a lot more renewables incorporated in planned micro grids. So micro grids, they are unique. They're a unique combination of a power source. They have unique customers, geography and they each have a unique market that they're serving as well. So it does make financing these projects a challenge. So doing financial feasibility studies and simulation modeling, having public-private partnerships, they could all play a growing role in overcoming some of these financial hurdles. States can play a key role in facilitating micro grid developments. Some states have created funding opportunities for micro grids and these can be extremely helpful and for planning feasibility studies, for example. But there are challenges that states lack a legal definition of micro grid and there are regulatory and legal challenges that can differ between and within states. So states can assist projects by providing funding grants or low-cost loans to perform these feasibility studies that I mentioned or to aid in demonstration and commercialization. So we need a clear legal framework on how to define a micro grid and set forth the rights and obligations of a micro grid owner. So it's easier say for utility to put a micro grid in place as they're sort of the franchise owner, but it might be more challenging for another entity that wants to employ a micro grid. So we need to address some of these issues, including rules and costs for connecting to the macro grid and micro grid developers access to reasonably priced backup. Backup power also known as standby service and to wholesale power markets to sell access electricity or other services. So there are programming models that can help project developers in all phases of development as well. So we need to develop supportive frameworks and policies. It's gonna be vital to promote greater dialogue among the finance community, service providers and implementers, government officials at all levels, regulatory agencies and other stakeholders. So I think I've probably gone a bit over my time and I'll just say thanks at this point and I'm looking forward to the discussion. Great, thanks Doug and thanks to the other panelists. We are going to transition now to questions and answers and have a discussion for the next 15 or so minutes. So really looking forward to that. The first and just a quick reminder, if you have questions and there are many, many of you online watching, thank you for that. If you have questions, there are two great ways that you can send them to us. One is by following us online, Twitter at ESI online. We could also send us an email, ESI at ESI.org if you'd like to ask a question of our panelists. Our first question, I was gonna ask about the definition but Joy took care of that and we wanna find a way to get like, maybe we'll get up like embroidered microgrid pillows where we can have the definition emblazoned on it or something. But my first question, and this is something that Doug talked about is this value proposition idea. At various points in your presentations, you talked about how microgrids are not necessarily or easily evaluated in terms of cost-effectiveness. And to me, as someone who's worked in financing for a while, that means that there must be other co-benefits. And Joy, I'd like to start with you and ask for some additional commentary and maybe some examples from the field about where applications were able to be installed, maybe where these co-benefits added up to a degree where it made the value proposition for the microgrid. I'd love to hear a little bit more about what goes into that decision. Absolutely, thank you. Can you guys hear me? We good? Okay. So thanks for that question. And affordability actually, if I didn't make it clear earlier, is a huge component of what we do as public power. We are not for profit. So we're really, our mantra is affordable, reliable, safe and then environmentally sustainable power. So we do have to make that argument to our communities if we're investing in potentially more expensive technology. I also wanna make it clear that by 2024, we've estimated that about 320 megawatts of energy are gonna be deployed only by public power in microgrid technology and microgrids. So that's significant given we're only 15% of the electricity mix in the country. So we're certainly doing this and nothing I'm about to say is a reason not to deploy microgrids, but you definitely have to bring those value power positions forward. You heard from Doug about and Horesh about the clean energy component. And so if you're looking at microgrids that incorporate solar and storage and other energy sources, I think that could be a component that could be looked at to be viewed as a sort of a balance to potentially more expensive investment. Also in the city of Cleveland, our Cleveland member there has been extremely focused on kind of the resilience component. And we talked about that already a lot, but it can't be really overstated. And so they've issued a request for proposal about a microgrid in downtown Cleveland. And there's also, you remember too, this does require infrastructure. So there's this sort of potential for pushback on kind of the NIMBY side, right? So it's not just the affordability, but it's also what does that infrastructure look like? So if we're looking at a microgrid in downtown Cleveland, you really have to justify it. And they have really been looking at kind of valuing power resiliency. So cost savings coming from reduced capacity, demand and transmission fees, to lower business interruption and insurance premiums, right? So those are a few of the areas where on the resilience side you can justify. And I think there's some well-known areas that maybe the rest of the panel can talk about in terms of quantifying the reduction in greenhouse gases and other environmental benefits that could come from microgrids. So with that, I'll turn it back. Thanks Tim. And Tim, as your member companies, their business is dependent in some ways about helping to find this value proposition and making the numbers add up. What are some of the key co-benefits that when your members are working, say with a public facility, how do they make the economics work out for their customers? Well, the challenge we have with microgrids today is adding any of the resiliency components, not just a microgrid, means that we're asking our facility to do something that we probably did not expect it to do in the past. And so we have a paradigm shift in that we're asking something in the future to happen that in many ways we don't have a savings or a cost history in the past to justify the expense. And so what that means is it's a new expense. It requires investment. It requires something to be put forth in addition to whatever cost you plan to make that happen. You know, the costification, of course, of the resiliency is we often don't understand the true cost of that. And so we're still challenged today with defining those costs. We can talk about power losses, but the reality is that most of our utility systems have been pretty reliable. And so it really comes into the ability to do things like demand shifting and integration of renewable assets. When you integrate those renewable assets as the several speakers have talked about, the variable nature of that load needs some sort of a support structure. Fortunately, I see the future that we have a whole integrated load source system and the microgrids will play a central role in negotiating the fact that our loads have been variable for years. Our sources are now becoming variable. Now we have to start matching those two up. And I think the micro will play a key role in that. Thanks. Harash, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that, but we just got a question in from our online audience asking us if we could talk a little bit about what the economic benefits of a demand response capacity or capability at a micro grid. And I think that's something that you and perhaps also Doug would have something nice to say about. Sure, yeah. You know, demand response I think is going to be an important part of what we do with even micro gridding approaches. Having some ability to control the loads can ensure us that we have enough power on a given micro grid to power all the critical loads. And that's really where we're starting with a lot of these resiliency efforts. We'd like to start with those critical loads, manage other loads as much as we can so that people all get a chance to get their power. And then gradually as time goes by, we expect that distributed generation will get stronger enough that it will sustain all loads. And increasingly we're already talking about micro grids that are basically a whole power resources. Nevertheless, I think having a certain amount of load control gives you substantially more reliability on a micro grid when you're actually operating it. Because one of the reasons that the grid itself is so stable is because it's so massive. And there's so much simply aggregated loads and aggregated supply that small fluctuations don't actually matter. When you have a smaller grid, it really helps to have some ability on both the supply side and the demand side so that you can maintain a very high degree of reliability in the grid. So load control is going to be an essential part of how we implement micro grids in the future. Thanks. Doug, I think I'm really interested in how you give us a little bit more information about the proposition. Also, if you have any thoughts about how that value proposition might continue to evolve over time and maybe there are some applications today that maybe won't quite pencil out, but maybe five to 10 years into the future we'll start to see the more of these installations pop up. Yeah, so on the question of the demand response, I think that's a really interesting one and that's something where modeling tools can really, really help. And the sophistication of micro grid managers that are basically balancing the supply and demand within the micro grid are important. So a micro grid might not make sense at some points for the micro grid to even be generating its own power. If it's interconnected, its common point of coupling, it may have more than one. It may even make much more sense for it to be getting power from the grid at certain points in time. So I think the level of sophistication, that's one of the things about micro grids that's really has been evolving in recent times. It's getting a lot more sophisticated in how these micro grids are managed. So that's going to optimize the amount of admissions. It's going to give consumers the lowest costs that are under the umbrella of this particular micro grid. I think, but every micro, one of the things that we heard when we were doing research back a couple of years ago on this topic is if you've seen one micro grid, you've seen one micro grid. So they are all different and they all have a unique set of generation sources. They have a unique market that they are having to adapt to. So it's up to the developers, the micro grid owner, to look for all of the various value propositions. And I mentioned being one that's very important scale is another that's quite important. I think the trend last year at least had been toward much smaller micro grids, larger micro grids probably make a bit more sense in terms of penciling out economically. We know that some renewables have come down a lot in our particularly solar panels is what I have in mind. So it's at a maximum that you can incorporate solar. If you're in a city location, you might be a little hamstrung in terms of doing that solar that you can feasibly incorporate. If you're in a urban or a more rural setting, you can incorporate more solar and reduce your cost, your system costs and the cleaner grid. So it's each situation requires a lot of forethought. Okay, thanks. We have a few minutes left and I'm gonna make this one sort of a free for all. So please speak up if you have a reply to it. One thing we haven't talked much, we've talked about renewables, we've talked about storage, but we haven't talked quite as much about electric vehicles. And I'm wondering if you have any thoughts about how micro grid deployments, how that will be affected by the deployment of electric vehicles, which are forms of energy storage and which will I assume continue and increase in number and variety. I'll jump in on that. Go ahead, Dwight. Okay, I just wanted to say, just to kind of keep quickly key up of what Doug was talking about in terms of each micro grid being sort of an individual entity. And I think that really mirrors how we are and public power, we're locally controlled and so we make decisions based on those local circumstances. And one example of your question, Dan, about electric vehicles is we have, especially in Washington State, with a member of the Homish County Public Utility District, which is right outside of Seattle, kind of like a Fairfax had its own electric utility. And they are using a $3.5 million grant from the Washington Clean Energy Fund to invest a total of $12 million in their Arlington micro grid and Clean Energy Center project. It's gonna include a 500 kilowatt solar array with smart inverters, a 1000 kilowatt lithium ion battery storage system and several vehicle to grid charging stations for use with their electric fleet vehicles. So I think you could have seen all these sort of happen individually and not be integrated, but the idea of integrating this into one campus, I think is really exciting. And I think that's something I can definitely see in the future being even more important with micro grids. So it certainly is something that we support and look forward to exploring more. Good, thanks.  So let's hear what you think about this. I'll make a brief. We think electric vehicles are a huge opportunity for resiliency and particularly for micro grid and as a component of the micro grids. And we actually talk about four components. You know, when we talk about micro grids, we say solar and storage and then electric vehicles and load management. So electric vehicles are kind of an in-between there because the primary function is not to power the grid. The primary function is to take you from one place to another, but when they're connected to the grid, they are a formidable resource because they tend to be fairly large in terms of their, both their power, potentially their load, but also the capability of putting power back on the grid. As a result, I mean, you can't ignore that when you look at opportunities for trying to reduce your total resource in being able to provide resilience to customers. Great, thanks. We got another online question. We're not gonna have time to answer it, unfortunately, but Doug mentioned this and I think this is responsive to our question. If you are looking for more research and analysis of these, I would Google micro grids and APPA and NASCO and EPRI and C2ES. All of these organizations have put a lot of time and thought into this story. We're not able to get to your question, but thank you, Joy, Tim, Harak, and Doug. This was a great panel and learned a lot about sort of this exciting technology that's sometimes what's old is new again and I think maybe this is one good example. Thank you so much for joining us. That is going to conclude the second panel of the day. If you have a few moments, we would love it if you helped us out by taking our survey and providing us some feedback and comments about what you thought about this panel and the Expo overall. We really do read that feedback and we do try to take it to heart and find new ways to improve, but also the kinds of information that we want to deliver to our policy-making and public audience. We are going to start up the next panel in five minutes at noon, just so that everyone knows the platform that we're using today. 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Fatah Makkah is a shining star in the history of Islam. It's a big achievement and it's the most respected event in the history of Islam. Fatah Makkah was completed in 8th of Hijri. Why we say Fatah Makkah was complete? Because it was totally in the hands of Quraish. And Khana Kaaba, the house of Allah, was full of idols and Islamic prayers were absolutely not offered in the Khana Kaaba. So Khana Kaaba was not the actual house of God. And only God can be worshipped there. Leaving aside all these things since there was no Islam, so the tribes of Quraish and people from around the world and near areas, they had their own idols. Idols were also not very common. Every idol belonged to a tribe or a specific group of people and they would worship him. Even the Hajj was performed around them. Even the Umras were performed around them. And that is how it was a need, it was essential, it was absolutely important that the real shape and the real cause of the Khana Kaaba should be reinstated. But the other thing to think about is that this was not an ordinary thing. This was not an ordinary thing because if there are so many idols and if there are hundreds and hundreds of tribes to worship them, how strong they must be. Alone Quraish were very strong and they were strong enough to fight back, defeat, or face any small army, any small number and a simple request or a simple invitation to Islam. It didn't matter them, matter them at all, absolutely. This was a very big challenge for Muslims. Muslims with the passage of time, with the strategy of Prophet peace be upon him had got sufficient strength now. They were quite strong by the grace of God, they were very well equipped and now with all these things they were able to perform this noble task. Gradually they went to Islam and then to Medina Sharif to concentrate and over there making the city-state of Medina and making the strength more and more day by day and having fought many wars also and having that experience they were now in a position to get back Khan Aqaba sheaf. So ultimately the decision was taken by the Prophet peace be upon him that return Khan Aqaba to Medina and this will happen in the same condition that when Makkah can be conquered.


Bringing you stories from outside Africa, a buddy of a British woman swept away by the tsunami in Tonga has been found, her brother says. Nick Aline told Broadcastes that the family was devastated after Angela Glover died trying to rescue her dogs. It is the first known death in the disaster. It was caused when an underwater volcano erupted sending a tsunami towards the Pacific Island nation but communications have badly been damaged making it hard to establish the scale of the destruction. Today my family was sadly informed that the body of my sister Angela had been found. Angela who is 50 and has been living with her husband James in Tonga since getting married. Angela has always had a deep love of dogs and so started an animal welfare charity called Tours, the Tonga Animal Welfare Society. Its aim was to provide shelter and rehabilitation to stray dogs before trying to find homes for them. I understand that this terrible accident came about as they tried to rescue their dogs. We are just shattered is the only word I can think to describe it. Any family that loses such a treasured member of their family would know exactly what I'm saying here. Angela was the heart of our family, she was the emotional heart of our family and you know that heart is now.


YouTube, Michael Vick Day, my favorite day, my favorite player, we all dialed up. No, I did not take advantage of the training variety pack glitch. I'm sorry, I was not up in time. I was cooking breakfast for the family Saturday. I missed out. Let me know if you guys use training variety pack glitch. How many coins did you make? Hopefully everybody made 50 million because you guys shouldn't be spending your money on this game right now. You shouldn't, but I got Michael Vick, my favorite player in Madden ever. And because I'm such a Madden head, Michael Vick is kind of one of my favorite players ever in real life, Eagle as well. His best years were with the Eagles. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Let's take a look at what I put on Michael Vick. I might've old deed for the gameplay. I might've old deed. I might've did too much. I might have, but you guys let me know. There's a lot of free abilities so you can spend some on a quarterback. Michael Vick here, obviously 99 everything. You don't gotta look at that. All that matters is his abilities. That's it. All these numbers, see that they have made all these numbers irrelevant. So there's no point in even showing them unless you're just like a nerd. But you know, I'm not, here we go. Michael Vick, trust. We got him on that. That way he won't fumble, offensive plays. There he goes. He gets it done. But I put energizer so he can juke people and maybe get some of his energy back because I have trust. So if I can run and scramble, I won't fumble so I can juke. Maybe get my energy back. Then I have hot rod master of course, pass lead elite, gun slinger and play maker. These are the abilities I used on Patrick Mahomes, minus energizer. They are the same thing. Now people ask me all the time, is pass lead elite better than set feet lead? Yes. Simple reason why is because set feet lead only gives you lead when your feet are set. But pass lead elite, you can also get that lead pass when you're running out of the pocket and with Michael Vick, what better to do than run out of the pocket. So there it is. Can't lie. First impression on Michael Vick. Big W. Best be, might be the best Michael Vick card in a couple of years. I still think it's hard to scramble. I still think the speed doesn't matter that much. What's Michael Vick dog? Watch the games. Skomo, the boys. We are back. So I'm assuming Skomo played no games today, huh? Skomo's chat. I'll ask you guys, should they take away our coins? I think they should take away the coins. Everybody that took advantage of the scam, we should take away their coins. Oh, get up out of there. I currently have seven AP on Michael Vick.  He got rid of that and like, I caught that on the move, didn't I? I bought up all the CJ2Ks. That's tough, dude.  You really manned up everybody really fast right there. Respect. Look at Vick getting rid of the ball. Is Vick getting rid of the ball? Skomo went six and one in weekend league? Wow, he must have quit six and one. Everybody quits. Apparently Xerxes quits when the competition's a little bit too hard. It's kind of nuts, ain't it? I mean, Vick is getting rid of the ball. I can't lie to the boys. Oh, I want to juke so bad. Oh my God. I swear to God, like we pinched your line in dollars. It's just dead. Oh, we got trust? Nice. Might be able to take off now. I feel like he spies right now. I like this counter right here, boys. I kind of like this slant blind right here. Not blind. That was a great drive, honestly. This is a meta. Xerxes would quit this game because Spinner, it's too tough to play, but he's running a little DB Fire and manning up every person, which is kind of what Des did to win the tournament. That was kind of his defense. It's actually really good. I will tell you guys, if you guys are struggling with man coverage, the slant is without a doubt the best route in the game that beats man coverage. Like, don't overthink it. If your offense is going out there, one streak and two slants, you will be good against man coverage. Part of the reason why dub.w has adopted the good old fashioned, short out elite, or short knockout, so I can't get slants ran on me that much, but gun bunch offset. This means he will audible to tight more than likely.  Like what do I do with this? I guess he'll be on that corner route. Won't he, when they audible to tight, if he's in the safety? I think this honestly might be perfect. Rifles, talk to me. That was the greatest. Did he cover it?  I don't believe you have it in you kid. I really don't. Get sandcast off my field. Get sandcast off of my field.  Give me dirt when James or somebody.  I know, but it actually screams, which is a dub. What's going on here, Eric Berry? Was that too much? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sanding them boys, never doubt it. Short knock out, like come on, man. We knew it was blind, wanna throw that? Now what's the move here? What's the move? That hook curl better guard the whip route, dude. Oh, there's my medium. There's Mel Blunt. I'm done. I'm done with inside shade, just like that. Oh my God, just like that, I'm just done. Taking the off. I'm done, just like that. First time, never having a f***ing inside shade on my field again, dude. Yeah, that is my medium and it's a stop too. Slay, slay, slay.  I hate that. Man, oh! Got a reset right there. Inside shade, dude, never again, man. Just never the f*** again. It just pisses me off, man.  The Eagles are doing what's best for them, man. You can't expect to have a superstar quarterback and superstars at every position.  Come on, man. That was so f***ing dirty. I'm like, honestly, I amaze myself at how much stick I got. Swear to God. I really do, I really do.  Y'all like, damn, bro, how'd he do that? He 30, he 36. Old f***ing white man. Of course, you just cannot f***ing scramble in this game. You just cannot move in this God f***ing game. You can't move.  He gets hit, stick, in, f***ing bounce. Y'all, that's a joke. Games are f***ing, oh my God. What an animation to get. I'm putting Tank back on my running back. Oh my God.  You talking about the luckiest s*** in the world? Like, they just have no idea how lucky that s*** is. I'm putting Tank back on Chris Johnson, bro. He cannot be getting hit, stick like that. I tried to juke out of bounds, man.  Game just absolutely f***ing. The luckiest s*** in the world happens, dude. Just the luckiest s***. Come on, Eric Berry, it's a f***ing in route. Eric Berry, get the f*** out. Literally get the f*** out. Eric Berry, get the f*** out. Y'all, never again does Eric Berry play. Never again. There's just no way, dude. There's just no way this is going down like this, man. Get my man Surtain back out here. We got an inside shade, gets beat for a big play. We get that beat for a big play. Just all cooked, dude.  I can't lie, Vicks Juke looked really a** right there, boys. Let's go now. It really did. What was that, man? Like, what the f*** even just happened on that play? It's cold, man. Could cut, dubby. What do I think about to leave? Bro, he's in a slot blitzing every play. Pay attention to him. You know what, I always feel about a bunch when people do this, like the one time I don't set up defense for a bunch, they're gonna quick snap a play and score. Swear to God. How'd I cut like that? My thumb is on the left stick and then when I went like, I was going left, but then I went back right with the right stick real quick. It was just, I'm old, you know? But I still get s*** done. You hear me? I was trying to tuck our tail between our legs, huh, kiddo?  That's the only thing.  There you go, blunt. Love to see a short knockout. Cover three for the game. Nice, good call. I mean, I put yellow zones at play to sticks and they just never even get close to getting back there. I just, God.  In those situations, it's like, I should just play like it's fourth and five. Like fourth and 23, like, I shouldn't do nothing different, you know?  Probably just never stop blitzing, dude. Just never stop chat. And always put pick artists everywhere, okay? Cause you can't drop it in one chances. Like those, those one chance you get a game, you gotta catch the pick. Just how the game works, boys. Like I'd love to have edge threat elite or something weird, the double or nothing stack, but pick artists is just too valuable just for those moments. I expect big s*** from here, Mel Blunt.  I'm going in this route. Mel Blunt? Okay, that's my medium though. He's starting to block his running back on, not really, but. Dude, Eric Berry is nowhere near anybody right now. Like Eric Berry is just lost in the sauce. Now I'm doubling, I'm doubling Grant here. Throwing Grant or maybe not. Dude, bro, I guess he's starting further away. So like he's in a spot where he's gonna get killed, but short knockout is gonna be s***. Yes, sir. Come on, come on. I'm in shambles right now. Call in timeout. All right, I'm just starting these guys. Good luck, Debbie. Man, I can't lie, the baseline is getting me just merked. Oh my God. You tried it, kid.  What do I look like? I was born f*** yesterday. Thanks for playing, dog. What do I look like? I was born yesterday. I'm 35. See you later, GGs. Yeah, Vic looked amazing that game. I can't lie, he really did. Probably not 7-8-P. I kind of old-dead, I kind of old-dead it. Oh, we gotta rematch. No, he's dumb, y'all. Maybe I'll run non-baseline this game. Thoughts? It would be a good, it would be a good test. It would be a good test. Well, I ran baseline early in the year. Then once the loop contains came out, I ran non-baseline, obviously. And then I don't know what I run right now. I'm kind of just going with the motions, if that makes any sense. But I got enough pressure that game to win. So for me, you know, that's what's important. I just feel like the loop just don't work like I wanted to. Truck is low at. Thank you. F***in' sandcastle. I played one dude and the loop was back as f***. It was going crazy. Right? I played one dude. And then I played the next game and it was just bad. You know, the next game, it didn't work the same. I was probably gonna throw a f***in' pick anyway. It's just the way they run corner routes is just disgusting down here. It really is just, it's just disgusting the way they run corner routes, man. It's just nasty. Yeah, you can throw anything on spinner. You can. People don't know that, but you can literally close your eyes and snap and throw the ball. Bro, I feel like you just can't run zone. I feel like you need too many abilities to run zone. I just hate, like he's not blitzing, right? I'm a slide left and I'm gonna ID this guy. We're running out of time here. I might need a call of time out. Just don't give me no pressure here. Beautiful play, W. Just keep your feeding, man. That's such a tough play because you wanna just throw it and get the first down. You don't even wanna pass lead or anything. Like he was wide open. I don't want you to go over here, though. Peace. Oh, he fought to get in there, didn't he? I mean, God. Dude, like who blocked anybody on that play? Good play, right? I ran the same exact play the next play. There's three people tackling me in the backfield. I can't run by. Hello, these f***in' nada. Scrambling is just so dead. As much as you want it, like scrambling is so entirely dead. Lord Jesus, it's just no way, man. Man, God, good play, dude. I switched my flat zone to a yellow zone when you motioned out.  I just will never have this ability on my field.  It really is. I will never have that f***ing ability on my field again in my life, dude, ever. Blunt, good s***.  Wow, wow, wow, wow. This is why you just gotta pick a fillball versus everybody, man.  Good game, dude. You're so cool. You're so effective. I only say that because I didn't kick a fillball. I dropped my nuts. I didn't get it. But you know, I went for it, you know? I'm a man. You know? You should kick that fillball. Just like I should have kicked my fillball earlier, but you know, I didn't want to. Because I'm a man. I'm 40. But wait, that could have been a way bigger play than it was. Come on, Vic. Like that s***. I don't know what that was right there. That was free. That was a free pass, boys. I'm giving some time, hopefully, to drop one of these guys in the coverage, he did.  Like, I want to run inside zone right here. Hopefully, he pitches his line. That'll give me some time here.  That's nice, dude. Nice. No, Vic, I can't lie. Vic has been, Vic has been like a W. Can't lie, he's been a dub. All right, 41 seconds. This will determine the ball game here, boys. What did I give up? A corner route to the tight end. I just cannot melt blunt with inside shade. It's just not getting it done. I listened to Vos. And I know from experience, playing a lot of this game, I don't think inside shade is bad. It just, when you get it, you think you're gonna rely on it and he's gonna be good. And he just always lets you down. So, like, that's why I don't like it. That's how I feel about AP with a quarterback. Why not put it on your quarterback? Where else are you gonna put it? That really matters. Like, I should be able to watch my man over there on that guy.  Like, he's getting absolutely embarrassed by Gronkowski. Absolutely embarrassed. Like, I just cannot. Like, he's gotta go. I can't rely on him to cover that. I cannot. Mind. Let's go, man. Good luck, Dubby. Stay on the drag. He's gonna go back to it because I just played him. He's got that read down. He knows I'm gonna go back to the angle route. Most people go back to the angle route. So, he's gonna be comfortable throwing the drag. And that's just good John Madden football right there, boys. Part of me wants to lob the ball to Julio here. I think it's an option. I think it is an option. Man, where he played. Oh, I got the trust and I'm sliding. Oh, let me get out of there. Oh, let me get out. Oh, let me get out. I'm gonna take my three here. See, he messed up. Now I gotta play smart.  I always wanna play like a man and keep chucking for the end zone. But you know, time to play a little. I've been in MCS before. Bro, the biggest key with dollar is you have to make them not blitz both corners. If they're blitzing both corners, God bless your heart. But if you keep hitting the running back, quick pass, quick pass, quick pass, till I've now got him in just blitzing one side every time, it makes it a lot easier. Like you can actually block it. Short knockout, there we go, nice. Maybe Mel Blunt's doing his thing on this corner route out here at all. I don't know. I mean, he's getting absolutely cooked on it.  Switch to zone, yeah. You're really new here, aren't you? Who's that Slay? Come on, man.  Dog, get Sandcastle off of my field. There's no way this guy cannot hit like this.  Sandcastle's banned and my zones are on 30, that would help, you know? Sandcastle's banned, he's banned.  Who's the guy? Who's the guy? That's the second time he just bounced right off of me. I need light, somebody that's right there. I need to make sure I make that tackle right there, dude. Dawkins with Crusher and enforcer. You must really be new here, Alex, huh? Skomo told you to get those builds? Oh my God, we had blocking and everything. Unicorn. Man, Vic, I can't lie. Vic. Vic. All right, man, I'm guarding Gronk. Tell you that right now, I'm just guarding him. I don't care who's on him, I gotta guard Gronk. That's not deep knock out there, Tilman. Like, what are we doing here? Ah, he's like the only one that doesn't put that guy on a drag when they run that play and it's killing me. It really is. I swear to God, it's just not it. I swear, like, baseline's better, dude. I swear it is. The running superstar here. This is wide open, dude. Good pass first, boys. Sack. I mean, come on, 24, a f***ing angler out.  Just get him the f***. There's just no way we're just ho- Oh my God, man. Oh my God, man. Inside shade is now banned as well. That's super banned. Good play, good play, good play. Good catch, pits. That's a man's catch right there, man. And a man's throw, man's read right there, too. Oh, I got trust and I'm sliding. I don't know that I have that ability. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I didn't know. I was like, it's not, I'm not used to having that ability. That's my fault, boys, I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm gonna switch his defense. I like to slide one way against this and then ID this guy. I'm looking for unicorn right here. Beautiful play. Stand bounce two, okay, that's all right. That's a good game. This is what happens when you kick your field goal. I play like a, he shouldn't have kicked his field goal. We would have had a man's game, but now he loses. Time out, time out. We gotta run some clock here, though, boys, we have to. See if I motion this guy out of that spot, then my left tackle, John Madden will block JJ White here. See, it's just unfortunate that you're gonna lose like this. All cause you kicked the field goal when men were going for touchdowns. Just unfortunate. Do I feel like a broad? I do, I do, I feel like a broad. But we'll take the dub, right boys? It all started when he kicked the field goal. I wasn't playing like that. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't playing like that, Gigi's. Super Bowl champion of the world.