So I find this think I'm supposed to have is it I don't know. Maybe eventually they'll find evidence for the six million Push it that envelope it's gonna work out eventually. What are you guys about to do to me? I know we're gonna make you evil Destroy my reputation. You understand that just by just by associating with us Your oh, yeah, yeah, I'm already dead to certain intimate circles. Oh, yeah Don't have to speak to certain people.  Hey, what about Jack black? He's like overweight, but he's jumping around a lot of place. He's always doing some crazy kickflips.  I mean, that's just he's got to maintain that cuddly ball though. That's just right So look how it worked. Look how it turned out for The other fat guy who is to died That matters it down We've got a couple million space, but I can't see you know his name spelled out If I could I would read it. Yes, I should I should obviously say like welcome back rags Even though you haven't really been gone for very long.  He has the classes. That's right. I'm yeah, I'm a nudist on principle Keeping it real Let's keep the classy I feel like I should like I don't know if people don't know for some reason I just assume everyone knows exactly what me and rags No, this is I made a video about fat people and why he hates them. No, I didn't Because everyone agrees with it was a movie celebrating Relationships and he tore it down for no other reason than he thinks people are ugly. It's just They couldn't resist so what is it Sophie Burgess is that a day? So we're Sierra Burgess. I'm gonna remember. It's not really her name. It's not worth remembering. Good Lord.  You think it's a bit much to say that it's trying to justify catfishing No, not all Audiences liked it Well, yeah, it was awful and you made a very very efficient review of it that worked to shreds and Well, we were actually planning on Considering how because I remember seeing your plot holes video before that one. I think that the plot holes one came first, right? Yes, it did. Yeah a couple of weeks earlier. Yeah, and it was from there. I was like this guy could be on Then you went and you went and got famous and now it just looks like we're selling out bringing on all kinds of dogs that are Famous, you know ruined it. You've been that cool dude that ate it on Patrick Williams for no reason Yeah, I'm bread motherfucker. Yeah now. I'm selling out.  There's a huge difference.  I don't even yeah, so I was gonna say there's a couple comments I try and keep track of these things from the last one I I was using a counter example for I was talking about like hate and How me rags and of course Do you want to go by CJ or would you prefer a different person name? I'm fine CJ Chris is fine. Whatever you I'd rather Chris Chris DJ sounds like Yeah, it does you're more less sounds completely normal by comparison. Oh definitely, yeah So I was saying that we all get hate and what seems to legitimize Hate is when you actually do something and I said for example a Kelly Marie Tran leaving Graham and my point was just that everyone gets this stuff But it only becomes like a real thing if you actually react As long as you don't then people just say I mean even if rags left Twitter out of reasons of being a hate Most people would yeah, they should be like yeah, well good riddance thing for us but a lot of people were like she didn't leave because of hate she left because of Well, he's fat. I don't think we ever found out she released Oh, I got audio cutting out. I mean Yeah, that's probably it's probably the bad parts. God One second. I'm sure lower my threshold. Yeah, I thought that I thought that problem a couple of times I've been streaming recently. I mean, I don't like I have to put my mouth right up to the microphone. What's up? No, it'll still it'll still cut out.  I know it's that it's not set perfectly. It's gate Yes, Ed. Oh my god, how do I fix this? This wasn't a problem before. Oh dear Life itself. It's in some of these knobs up. There's no Oh, I love turning knobs. Yeah, hopefully that's a bit better Down and all around.  Oh, all my point was was that people get hatred and sometimes when they do a thing That's when people like see they get hate and a lot of people like Kelly didn't even a boot on that reason as we know Okay, I wasn't really talking about that. Anyway, I don't think being hated on Means you should leave social media. That's just almost down to you We'll have to deal with the mean of you guys. I doubt it. But have you guys ever had a No, well people are always so nice and gorgeous.    Love me.  It's nothing to do with me is it oh god. No, this is definitely on my end happened last time and you were near Hey, that's magic. How do you know that? Maybe it did close causation. All right. Everyone's saying is better now Moeller is quiet for everyone, but you oh What I don't know see this the thing I rely on the audience to tell me if everything's terrible or not but yes The last episode actually went a lot better than I expected because I thought since we were going after Joseph Anderson and the subjective train was being pulled into the station basically like More so than the horror film the horror movie video that he made That was shit.  Yeah, me too. Yeah, and it was awful. What are you guys? What do you guys think? What do you guys thoughts on Joseph Anderson scary video? It's it's scary how he thought it was a good idea to release that oh It's terrible. He comes across as such a self-righteous prick I don't know what you're talking about. We spent the whole e-fab talking about how great it was so Well, you know what fine. I stand by what I say.  I mean I'm sorry that some of us have actual human emotion Like what a prick he was getting loads of backlash and you could tell that from the comment section that there was plenty of strong strong arguments But his his conclusion was yeah, they're just The jealous that I didn't get spooked and they did or they're upset or embarrassed. I think the way to use was It felt very rushed which Yes, whatever, you know like he wasn't it does it sounds rushed But it doesn't look rushed because you have to go through all the trouble to get all those clips To cut them up to put them in to save them to find them To get them all in the timeline to have them swap around it takes time to do all that shit And yet at the same time what he said over it felt really like it felt off the cuff for something that was Scripted I assume he's scripted. Hmm. Yeah I'm very very few people understood it. I don't I don't blame them, but that was just he doesn't historically I mean Fringy was pointing this out every time you see like Joe's fans are responding to criticism It doesn't seem to end. Well, like he's he's he comes across quite aggressive. Sometimes how do you lose your own comment section? I don't know This is he lost like 99% of them. That's the weird part like the like ratio was fine Even a lot of his own subscribers were commenting saying this is like the worst video you've ever made Yeah, yeah, there were there was a couple of those but like the the narrative would be you just didn't understand it But he's just like it just stops or starts at the whole like Resurrection is a power. It's like whoa. Whoa. You've already lost me. What do you mean? And it's like he's already moving on you're like no no no no he says a lot of things that require a great deal of qualification and Yeah, and that's the last the weird thing he usually does that's his whole thing He takes his time That's why we can't cover him on this because we can't cover three hour videos. That's not gonna happen But take like a month. Yeah, but he He released and I'm happy for him to continue to release 13 14 17 I don't know what minute videos because He can't cover an entire genre in that time, but you know, yeah, he I actually I don't know if people are aware, but I invited him on to eFap and He said no because I once Well, you see in my soma series I Decided I would have a bit of fun when I was responding to people for the first time in a in a very Comprehensive environment and so I would have an argument and then I throw a little word on the end be it like idiot asshole Autist came up and one of the ones that I used Actually, I kind of remember if I said this exactly, but this is what Joseph Anderson said I said he said that I called him a massive faggot and he will never talk to me because of that Well, he should have thought about that before acting like a massive This is the thing the worst things have been said on eFap by far and Yeah, far better people have called me far worse things And yeah, like I had a couple of his fan base saying that I've I've offended an entire community And I was just like let me check with rags to to make sure is your community offended rags Oh, I thought you I thought you meant Joseph Anderson's audience is like a community. Oh, no, I'm talking about They're talking about the the homosexual community is very upset with me apparently I didn't get the memo It was just one or two guys to the gay people. I know aren't faggots. Well, I mean That's the way that genuinely in my experience most of the gay people. I know use that word regularly So it's just like oh, yeah It's like how you know the blacks use the negro word There you go. It's it's a complicated set of rules online for what you're allowed to and not allowed to say But uh, yeah, he he said that he won't speak to me because of that And it wasn't it didn't seem to be the his principle was you you can't insult somebody and get away with it It was what he was trying to say to me People insult me literally every time someone has insulted me they've got away with it Like what what is not getting away with it?  I mean I said that I was absolutely happy to the doors always open That sort of thing but it I doubt we'll see you just fantasy on here unfortunately, but there's another another youtuber I forget the name but uh You he was he was ripping into me along with Joseph Addison and it was like a pierced it by fan base who was like Oh, I like that guy.  Oh Yeah, it was be mask. That was it. It's just like, okay I have lost the privilege to speak to two youtubers now guys privilege as as links just said I use no no words and have been banished to the bad kids corner. I will Never be able to recover. But yes, that's pretty much caught up on on anything. That's remotely interesting and we decided because Well, actually, no, this was this was always in our backlog, but you also wanted to sort of cover it, right? Chris was that was that the Your interest well, I wasn't planning on covering it myself But I just remember saying this video and thinking it was really shit And I think since you didn't you know, we were talking about it He didn't invite me on to e-file and I said, oh, what about this video? I think can't remember which one of us mentioned it first, but as soon as it was mentioned I was I was down I was frothing at the mouth was the thing for me because We'll just do full disclosure We thought in prep for this that we would check out the three Sam Raimi spider-man films and all three of us have and Is that just do we have to disclose that like we've done something wrong? Oh, no, I'm actually setting up because this it'll be a fun conversation. I don't actually consider it to be I mean, this is better that a Disclosure and like we guys won't let you know we oh, yeah, we're not just We're not massive Sam Raimi spider-man fans who know the fills back to front. We actually watched it yesterday so all day before sorry, but You know just to get a catch up and I haven't seen them in a long time and First one very solid second one really good third one That's my review But yeah, I don't like genuinely if the second one came out today like in the MCU I'll probably be like oh, yeah This is one of the better films in the MCU you should actually watch this one as opposed to skipping some of the other ones Yeah, I think it holds up. Well today by today's standards in a way that the first and third ones don't Um, and yeah, you know this review. I checked out some of the comments There's a lot of people saying that this is just supposed to be comedy No, it's not so we're dealing with a cinema sins thing here We'll have to figure out what points we're supposed to take seriously and what points are supposed to be jokes That'll be a that'll be fun All right, but we are dealing with worse than you remember and I have to admit The second one was better than I remember on rewatch so it was it was pretty good I mean the first one was good, but the second one was quite good and Then things got worse from there Yeah, and there's probably a reason why this the series ended with three I wonder maybe maybe the video will focus a lot more on the third one or I'm not sure. I guess we'll see Yeah, I think it might be tough to convince us Maybe it can be done, but I think it will probably be pretty tough You guys got any I say I say this as if it's some kind of like Recommendation for bad blood, but have you got any history with with with Cosmo at all or Cosmo? Not at all. No I've seen a couple of his videos and I've not ever really been impressed And I'm not even trying to like shit on him here I've literally just seen about five one of them two of them at the last Jedi won the Force Awakens one Which were both very I Don't know I don't really get it. I don't get it I don't get what how much he doesn't really offer a lot of insight a lot of time He made a huge counter-argument for Mary Sue against ER of all people and I remember watching it just being like well, that was no shit But again willing to give him a chance, you know, I am I haven't found him offensively bad. Just just kind of just me You're welcome to come on to EFAP and defend your honor Absolutely. We an open invitation for anybody who's covered or wants to say something I doubt it'll happen these days with anybody who's I don't know of that position They seem to see it as sort of a I shan't spend my time. I may I'm mainly based in this off. Joseph. I'm saying he's very like Put his put his nose up sort of attitude He's very he's very holier than thou.  Well cosmonaut. No, no, uh, Joseph. Oh, yeah. Yeah I don't know. I have no idea how cosmonaut would react, but uh, yeah, you both ready.  So the other day I was like, okay fine I haven't seen the Sam Raimi movies in a pretty long time. Maybe I need to refresh my opinions a little bit Um, I mean, I'm either no me and rags have both seen homecoming and uh, the three right? Oh, you've not I'm only ever seen both then not seen homecoming. I have no opinion on it. Um, it is a movie in my opinion I'm I'm genuinely not sure which I think is better. I think spider-man 2 might be better Homecoming I thought homecoming was really good though. Um, I know a lot of people hate homecoming So that'll that you know the make of that what you will but I I don't think it's cut and dry that uh All Sam Raimi films are worse than homecoming. I'm not sure if that's what he's saying, but we'll see Well, Mahler likes it.  These do not hold up now. I like to think I have a pretty good I disagree I think I think the first two hold up very well That's the interesting thing when you say hold up it usually refers to a film that was good And is it still good with time put on it? That's usually what people mean by hold up So it's not even fair to say despite my three hold up because it didn't hold up when it came out, you know It's like why would it hold up now? Yeah fair enough. Um, but spider-man 1 and 2 like yeah I'd say they absolutely hold up. There's a campy element. I don't know how much that means it doesn't hold up It's like a comic book Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, that's I think that's the point though Yeah, it's very much. There's a lot of lines and quips that could be like speech bubbles and panels You know that that you would enjoy reading instead of watching in a movie form I think that's kind of what he was going for but it does have that campy comic booky I want this happy go lucky kind of superhero element to it There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of really happy nice superhero moments and uh things just work it out You used an interesting term brags. We watched you so it felt a bit fairy-tale-y at some points Um, I there's anything I know. It's fairy tales. I mean compared to like After the dark night and a lot of the mcu movies. It's a lot uh grittier has the word people use, right? Down. Yeah It's not a bad thing. It's just uh different choices Some of these is like I want a superhero movie to be about like a superhero It runs around saving people and delivering pizzas you know Yeah, I mean people Sorry It was though. That's the thing. That's especially with the second one It was that that dual life that he led was really well. Um, Oh, yeah, really portrayed rather. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not I'm not necessarily talking about the personal struggle I'm talking more about the abilities and Uh what the characters can do and like how it ends and things Yeah, anyway, sorry Now I like to think I have a pretty good track record when it comes to my opinions. All right I have a decent following of naive 11 year olds eccentric european weeaboos and depressed alcoholic college students That seemed to like and listen to my opinions, but I wasn't supposed to mean I don't know what that means. Self-deplication, obviously But it's a combo because it was like I think my opinions are pretty solid.  I don't know just seem a bit weird I'm aware that I'm kind of pushing it this time I'm just saying I think the sam ramy spider-man movies aren't as good as you remember Now I still love these movies all three of them to be exact Yeah, you heard that right, but it annoys me that people look at the first two as some sort of superhero holy grail When they're not like really that good anymore I like the language is so uh, it's like, what do you mean not that you say they're good, but not that good They're great. Are they okay? I don't know. Um What are you uh, what do you think about the voice by the way? Um You know, I'd never accuse someone for putting on a voice, but I think that I could do the thing that he's doing Uh, you know, and you like do that with your voice No, I don't know what you mean Sounds it's like my that was a poor impression because I'd need a bit more time to work on it, but it Like everyone could do that, right? You know the when you do that. I don't know what it's called Like how do you want me to feel? It's like it's like he's trying to give an impression of something or Like I don't know how do you want us? I don't know. I So what just said he's black. That's not that's not something all black people do Oh, is that him in the last clip? Yeah. Yeah. No.  Oh, is it croaking? Is that what it's called? That is his real voice. Like I said, um, I have no reason to think that it's not his real voice I just find it interesting because it's something that everyone can do if that makes sense Yeah, personally, I'm not a fan of his voice, but that's that's a personal thing. It's just a minor point Rail when they're not like really that good anymore So let's look at all three of these movies and see why they really don't hold up And are kind of a little bit just a little bit of a mess And yeah, I know everybody says spider-man 3 is the worst one But if you ask me all three of these movies are basically the same and I'll elaborate more on that later really wow I couldn't disagree more I disagree vehemently with that the first two It's like the third one was made by a completely different person With a completely different. I mean, it's just it's out in left field compared to the first two I was gonna say it's the first you're so structured and focused the third one is just a mess like it's all over the place Oh, yeah Yeah, to say that they're you know, there's no difference in terms of quality is is just ridiculous Well, let's hear the argument at least god But for now, let's start at the beginning. Let's start with spider-man one fair enough Start at the beginning how original the first thing we're greeted with is a corny narration by peter parker Played by good ol american sweetheart toby maguire And this is the one thing that I hate the most about the spider-man trilogy I I hate toby maguire ever since I was a kid. I never really saw him as my definitive peter parker He's kind of me. I don't think anyone did until the movie. I mean You know, I hate to say it was like that's your opinion man But isn't he meant to be meek and wimpy at least at the start Certainly, I mean, he's yeah, and then he evolves Yeah, I mean, maybe he'll say something a bit more I can't respond to any of those like if you don't see him as spider-man then you don't see him as spider-man. I don't know Yeah, I I like him as spider-man. I like him as spider-man too. I Prefer tom holland because I just I don't know tom holland nails it for me. But um, I still don't really I'd have to hear an argument for why he's not a good spider-man. That's all I'm looking for Tobin McGuire ever since I was a kid I never really saw him as my definitive peter parker He's kind of meek and wimpy and that's supposed to be peter's personality at first But he never really gets over it even when he's spider-man.  And some is that all we got? I don't know like again a little cheesy. Yeah, like He's a bit dorky. But again, I thought that was matches the that matches the tone of that whole film As for yeah, he he did say he doesn't really grow like what would you guys cite as uh evidence that he's sort of I think more in the second movie. I think he certainly, uh got a lot of confidence by the end of the first film compared to the beginning Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he holds himself much stronger. He has a lot more confidence Like I said the second film. He's definitely knocked down a peg in terms of the opening is like all about him being uh You know down in his luck his life sucks and spider-man keeps getting in the way of that too, but um Like the third film again, because we're not saying we discount the third film We have to count it the third film. He's he's almost egocentric Like he's super confident Yeah, he's over. Yeah, he's he's letting it get to him himself Yeah, so I'd be like he's clearly his character goes through a bunch of changes. I mean the second one is Very much about I don't know. Yeah, I don't really know where that argument's coming from But that's a weird one. That's because he's a huge door It's you who's out gobby Out of your mind and sometimes toby's performance is just really bad There's some actors doing a really good job in these movies So you really notice when somebody isn't doing that great of a job. Who am I? You sure you want to know? Yeah, also with the mere six minute mark We are showing the greatest character in the entire trilogy. Willem Dafoe as Norman Osborn I'll get more into him later though for now. Let's look at how Harry introduced. Yeah, I think he's good Yeah, and this is so that's a bit confusing Uh, there was there was a comment Sorry, there was a comment that I saw that I was like, oh, we'll have to keep that in mind That said that this video is specifically to highlight the bad So he's not going to talk about the good, but I don't know it seems like he's he's throwing some good things here and there Maybe it's to seem a little bit more balanced. I don't know but like it makes me wonder Is he gonna talk about all the good or just the little random bits that become relevant? I don't know. Um, I don't know Let's let's continue. This is his dad Peter may introduce my father Norman Osborn. Why would you introduce your dad by his full name? That's kind of weird, but is it I mean Isn't the isn't isn't Sorry, because we did watch recently They get out of when they're in the car Doesn't he say like he doesn't even want to be here in that car And he doesn't want to let people know or or or present himself as like a rich person Um, so and and the the dad's And him have a bad relationship Uh, it's even it's even banked on in the third film where he says something like, um He's like your dad never loved you or your dad thought you were an embarrassment. Um, what I'm getting at is He's probably referring to his father as his full name because of the disconnect. It's professional. Yeah It's more professional professional like it's a business sort of uh him and his dad have a bad relationship I'm pretty sure the film's made that a thing. It's not just uh, yeah, I don't I don't think that's unusual at all And also it establishes it for peter because so he's so interested in science. He would know oscorp probably Yeah, he would he would know who the head of that organ the head of that company was Just makes it it's just quicker, you know, and I someone just pointed out it's helpful for the audience too It's just like norman os. Yeah, it's just exposition. Yeah, it's like harry isn't going. This is my father This is the head of the this head of the company norman osborn He said whatever at the end he didn't mean it That's kind of weird but whatever also look at these high school students now I know a lot of movies have people who aren't really playing their age But this is kind of ridiculous. You see this guy that's supposed to be their teacher He's younger than they are Alex jones is younger than will leaton Oh Wow Hang on i'm i'm curious spider-man This is gonna be tough to find because that guy's like bailey in any other film. He's just like teacher person Wait, who's meant to be the teacher? Is it the as in the the black guy? Yeah, the black guy's teacher and the guy in the black jacket is uh That's flash, isn't it? So he's yeah like he doesn't doesn't look that young So flash tomson when i was watching it i didn't Oh, man, how am i gonna find this guy? Oh, tea literally he's credited as teacher Found you all right i'm just gonna find flash Doxxed because i'm curious if if they are actually which one's older so Oh jeez he doesn't have a birthday. I'm sorry this like i'm not trying to say Everyone has a birthday mauler. This guy probably doesn't get a lot of Born i oh so he's 44 years old and flash is 20 24 plus 18 38 30 42 is that right? Sorry. I'm yeah 42 So yeah, the teacher is older Yeah, he's two years older Well, i'd still say that the teacher does look older even if even if he wouldn't even if he's not older I was gonna say i actually thought the teacher did look older Yeah, the i think the teacher looked older as well because when i was watching this scene just the other day with mauler When we rewatched these films in preparation for this video and that's the kind of quality content You can expect from channels like these Is that he he seemed to fit the bill to me and i've seen in chat and i do i do agree The students are a little bit older than they should be like yes the students i would have more Yeah, the students look older than But i mean but they don't but they don't look but they don't look older than peter No, yeah, it's it's all it's all it's almost relative.  It's like i mean This is probably close to what i would call a nitpick if if he's trying to argue that this is a big problem But i don't i don't know that he is i think he's just casually mentioning it because the teacher which he pointed out He had one line Didn't he just this i think it's two lines like two lines. Yeah But this is that But hey, you know, whatever all right supposed to be the teacher he's younger than they are I gotta say though.  So anyway, peter gets bitten by some brown recluse and then he dies peacefully in his sleep So in the next scene we get the beginnings of norman osborn's Super villain origin story and i gotta say i do like the pacing in this movie for the most part Things go along in a fairly well balanced way You see the beginning of peter's origin and then right after you see the beginning of the villain's origin It just keeps going back and forth. Yeah, something I did feel about the structure of the first film was it was It was almost what I would call classic. It was like very straightforward Bad guy part a bad. Uh, no good guy part a good bad guy part a Good guy part b bad guy part b and it just kept going like that It's it's it doesn't feel like they wasted time and a lot of films now feel like they're wasting time Yeah, like you just have random random scenes that are thrown in for some reason Everything happens when it should happen Yeah, I was gonna say i'm not saying that uh kanto bite is an example of it going wrong I'm just saying that randomly. That's just a random example. I just threw out there Hey, that wasn't that a star wars movie that they say is really bad Star what sorry star star star jars. Oh, I've not seen that one. Sorry jar jar wars The word the word kanto bite just came to mind. I have no idea what it even references look I'm saying is that it puts the can't and this movie bites in star wars kanto bite scene See now that made sense to me if any if it doesn't make sense to anyone else. They're just not listening properly Like how a kanto bite can bite me Excellent rax seems mad that they're taking the project back to form.  Sorry. I think I skipped over. Yeah Let's go back once way. You see the beginning. Sorry. We got started. I can't After you should be getting the villains origin just keeps going back and forth like this However, his motivations aren't really that clear before he turns into a crazy monster person He seems mad that they're taking the project back to formula Back to formula. I'm a dumb dumb internet movie boy So I don't know what that means, but it seems like he needs to get his little science project done really quickly I mean, so my my my take on that is that He's a science person He's got funding for his operation of trying to create a weapon for the military as do his competitors He's not showing results and he's saying yeah, we're totally ready for human testing 100% Which is a which is a good piece of progress. They're like, okay And then his scientist friend says back to formula which I assume means We're going back to before even testing on animals. We're going back to fixing it at the core Back to yeah working on the original formula. Yeah, which is a huge setback When norman lies about how the formula is ready for human testing when it isn't actually He's willing to put things He's willing to do dangerous things or unethical things to further his own goals And to go back to formula means, you know, like they say you have two weeks It's like if they go back to formula, there's no way they're going to be able to Make it in time. So yeah, yeah, his motivation is he doesn't want to lose all his corp.  He missed this like, okay I'm not either but I got it As a as a 12 year old when I saw it in cinema as I understood it I don't understand what's not I remember in first grade English class They it's like these are what context clues are That's your opinion, right? But I can it is my opinion.  He's got it. Yeah, that's exactly it So why didn't you get it? Why was that even a I don't understand? Yeah, I think maybe I don't know again People have been saying that this whole thing is for funnies. So I guess that was I think that's a serious criticism of his That's and that's wearing the coat of humor. I don't know what it's kind of mixed. It's kind of mixed in isn't it? Like some of these points are quite obviously jokes We'll have to what we're gonna do We're gonna have to take it seriously and then say but if it's a joke never mind That's how we'll have to do this whole thing It'll be fun, won't it Quickly or the army men will be very happy with him. Next we see the first scene of what I'm going to call corny sam ramy. Shit Why I mean, well in the defense of the movie. I don't know if you guys can see the skull right now I pulled it like right on it apparently but um Uh, he's I'm assuming hallucinating is the point of that He's having a bad dream, isn't he? Yeah, because he's he's dealing with the transformation So, oh wait. No, he's not he's not asleep. Is he asleep at that point? I can't remember You have to be asleep hallucinating.  I should be like, uh, wait corny sam ramy Well, this is I just that's fine. I'm I'll I'd just be like, yeah, okay Yeah, I mean, I the tone of the film is pretty consistent with itself. It is a superhero serial movie that's very happy go lucky almost fairy tale like um, kind of, um Will be a way to say it not, um A bouncy I guess it's just fun Yeah, it's fun. It's it's a bit silly. I mean, I think that's where I'm standing right now But like if I was to say I completely agree with them I was like, is this is this detrimental or is this just fine? I'm assuming it's kind of fine.   Yeah, I mean the owner of the company. He's definitely against it. Yeah He keeps saying not to do it yes But I mean the boss is taking all the risk and he doesn't you know He doesn't want his boss to get hurt, but the boss is insistent. So he goes along with it. He voices his concerns Yeah, in terms of like legal like I don't know if I have no idea if there's any reason why he wouldn't be able to test This honest, but maybe it's within his rights. I have no idea like a If the guy could have there might be some technicality that the stock Holders and the members of the board control the intellectual property and the usage of the formula itself perhaps, but I don't know that might be thinking a little too deep into it When you're in a situation like that if you have the Person who is your superior telling you to do something for most people it is hard to resist so I mean, of course, my issue is like, yeah, he does put up a he's like don't do it I can't give you the actual dialogues. I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure he's like don't he's against it He goes he goes through all the tests. He makes sure all the procedures followed.  Let's just let's do it.  I guess that's the issue Yeah, and it's another example of Norman putting the company and his success ahead of His health.  Also. I think this little part is hilarious Well either way the experiment goes horribly wrong and he dies This is a comedy movie. I don't care what any Yeah, is that a problem? I mean, I'm not sure how to react like that that scene. Yeah, it's um, it's dramatic and kind of funny, which Again, Sam Raimi practically perfected that genre with Funny kind of like a crazy person Yeah, I did And he's kind of weird because he's like he's only referencing what I think you could call the parts that you could interpret as comedy. I mean You know, what about all the dratic bits? I don't know I guess again because it's supposed to be like this is why it's worse than you remember It's like I remembered all these bits. I don't know about you guys. I didn't forget Anybody tells me now you guys know the rest I won't nitpick the rest of this first act because that would be way too easy Like I could mention how peter's just gonna walk to school But then the bus just appears and he's like, oh no, wait, I'm supposed to run after the book Sorry, hang on and I'll play the point again. I just thought it was funny that he was like I could nitpick it but I won't you know, I could I could say stuff like this Do you remember the whole um, I can't write at what idubbs called it But it's when it's when leafy would say like I could say that this person's ugly and fat, but I won't yeah But how is that what is there to nitpick about that? It was established earlier in the film that he misses the bus a lot and he was clearly distracted in that scene Let me hear it again.  It's your own fault if you miss it now And I'm most definitely okay, so he again So recently this is why I'm pretty sure this is the case but He always walks to the bus stop and then gets on the bus and he was on time this time But he stopped a couple meters back because he's preparing to try and you know caught mj And she's she gets picked up by her friends instead of the bus And so while he's talking to himself about how he was going to actually approach it The bus shows up because he's not at the bus stop. It doesn't stop for him Yeah, isn't that how it works and you are right They said they set up at the beginning that he misses the bus a lot So they don't it's almost like the driver doesn't particularly care about peter is what I got as a impression Yeah, I mean it seems pretty reasonable to me So I just don't understand why he's even mentioning that as a nitpick And if someone was like wow, you're nitpicking this I'd be like but he brought this up Anyway Peter's just gonna walk to school But then the bus just appears and he's like, oh no, sorry I'll try and pause it right there But there was like a sign Let me just see what it says because that would be way too easy like I can mention how peter's just gonna walk to school Uh, is that no parking? Yeah, which does that make sense considering it's a bus stop The sign really means you can't pee here I'm just curious if that's supposed to signify that this is where a bus would stop or something.  What if you did make it for him? Would that be so bad? No, oh spider-man. You're pretty homophobic, but one thing that no he isn't So question.  That doesn't mean racist. Was that a serious criticism or was that a joke? Yeah, I don't get it. I you can tell jokes about something without it being what you actually think That's how no, I'm talking about I'm talking about cosmonaut now Is he is that an actual criticism of the film that this is a dated joke and it's inappropriate? Or is he saying this just to make a joke? I don't know What's your take on that guys I don't know. It's like he's straddling the line So I can't tell with this guy. I mean, he's he's wrong In terms of the statement that he makes. Yeah, just a joke then. Oh, well you know Yeah, so if if he's serious assuming he's serious, uh, my response would be I think if if if if this wrestler said Uh, yeah, he did make it for me the spider would have been like, yeah, okay Because the idea is that he's trying to upset this man.    It's not offended. It gets the pass from me so we can proceed Yeah, maybe it's a good thing.  He's like decipher of his criticism Yeah, I know right now.  Yeah, it's not about spider-man being homophobic or the joke being homophobic, but um people are saying as well that he's not on SJW uh cosmonauts, so he might just This is this is I love this so you could break it out in so many ways It's like is he referencing how people would be offended by this, but he's he's obviously not is that I don't know. I don't know. We'll just have to move on because I really don't know. It's a joke in the film Absolutely, but he did he did acknowledge that but he said it was a badly aged joke. I guess What if he did make it for him? Would that be so bad? Wow spider-man You're pretty homophobic But one thing that does bug me is the pivotal scene where uncle ben gives his iconic speech Because he's actually chastising peter parker for fighting flash thompson in a previous scene except peter was fighting in self defense No, he said he was going too far. Yeah. No, sorry. No, just no Yeah, that's that's no way between The point is all all ben knows is that peter got into a fight and he dominated the the opposition Um, he really fucked him up And so he says you've clearly changed. He knows he's been exercising in his room That's something that happens in the previous scene I think he says to aunt may that he's he's just exercising leave me alone sort of thing um So ben's concern is that peter is getting stronger and he's using it to beat people up even in self defense and he's saying like The idea that you should know when to use your strength. That's the responsibility you have if you have strength He's not if you remember he clarifies. He's like, um, are you saying I should run away? And then he's like no no no no don't run away And he even says that flash guy probably deserved it Probably coming. Yeah, doesn't doesn't peter say it was self-defense and uncle ben goes. Yeah, I know I think Yeah, kind of just and he said you'll be careful and you could tell that flash is a bad guy because he has random chains on Yeah, so the point the point is not that he doesn't want him to fight back in self-defense The point is he doesn't want to want to slam a guy across a corridor Yeah, don't abuse that newfound power don't abuse the power. Yeah And obviously he was just referencing him getting stronger But for the audience it was like oh, he's it's about being spider-man yeah Uncle ben's like, oh, well you should have done that just because you can beat him up doesn't mean you should But that's true. Just because you should be him up doesn't mean you should it's true. Yeah, true. That's true That's good advice I don't have a problem with that Even even in the context of someone trying to attack you first like they do clarify that and this scene That's kind of a part of it. The scene ends badly. Peter doesn't take the advice well. He finds it insulting But it's it's very very good advice and it's misunderstood because I guess you could say you still live it clunkily. I thought it was fine I just thought that peter jumped the gun with a response and you can tell he feels that way immediately after he feels guilty Shouldn't have done that just because you can beat him up doesn't mean you should so what does peter do with this advice? He spends the rest of his life beating people up the context just don't make no sense What no he didn't know it's not like ben said don't beat people up He said it's about figuring out when it's when it's right to do it exactly The people that spider-man went after deserves to get you know punched and Stop because remember spider-man you remember even ant may says spider-man doesn't kill anybody. Yeah There's he doesn't it's always defense Apart from the third film, but that's about him losing his his morals a bit Yeah, exactly It's very confused by this big because this is quite a critical Moment in the film and criticizing it means this must be a significant criticism. I don't if that is a joke He's just something that is not true Like he's just outright stating something that is not true for the sake of making a joke and then that's just not A joke. I don't remember him saying never use your powers. I don't remember him saying don't beat people up ever. He just says Uh, you're responsible for your power. Be careful. That's that's it It's very it's a very good message as well. There's a reason why this is iconic He spends the rest of his life beating people up the context. Just don't make no sense However on an unrelated note, I think it's time to bring up. Yeah, I don't really get his point there Yeah, you're just wrong. You're just wrong here, man. No sense However on an unrelated note I think it's time to bring up something that I love about these movies and that's the extras I'm serious.  He he was watching his father congratulate peter more than he congratulated his own son And so he walked away defeated and dejected. I mean, yeah, I was gonna say I'd need to see that scene again But i'm pretty sure that is him being sad because His dad appreciates peter more than him. It's not the best example of acting, but yeah, the extras are funny And yeah, and I don't know if that's a criticism. Anyway, he said that he really likes it. I don't know if I I'm this is very I have to admit. I'm a little bit confused in this delivery of this Video I get why people are saying it's just supposed to be funny because it's pretty hard to understand when it's Uh trying to be critical. I feel like I feel like in this case. He's poking fun at the film for Something that can't be poked for that. Yeah So I think it's yeah, and this is the thing. Yeah up until this point. Yeah, absolutely, but the last example not so much Even main characters have a chance of devolving into idle sims when they're not the focus of the scene I don't really have a problem with that by the way Like uh, he's acting there. It was good enough, wasn't it? He looks sad. He looks down and turns away Yeah, I got uh, I got the message. I think everyone who else I I think did fine. He conveyed the point of what he conveyed the point of what that said the point of the scene was His reaction there.  Maybe it's just me but every scene with him makes me laugh He could be doing something completely normal and it's still hilarious to me It's like wolm de foe is an alien pretending to be a human. Oh, he's a crazy villain in the superhero movie That's the point. I was gonna say I don't disagree. Is this a criticism? Yeah, I don't disagree. I think he said he likes this stuff great. Yeah, man. I like it I think he plays the part really well when he does that Because it's like that creepy funny sort of I Well, again, I think he's he's saying this is a good thing. I think he yeah, is he is he using this as a reason to To say why the the films are worse I don't know This is impossible. Maybe we need maybe we need to watch a bit more What a science award. That's terrific. Yeah I am now going to share some of my favorite moments from norman osborn in this movie I like the reaction he has when harry offers peter to work for him. He looks so happy Look at his face. I don't even need to describe this part. It kind of speaks for itself I love how his whole plan to recruit spider-man is to drug him Kidnap him tie him up and have a dad talk with him on a rooftop about how new yorkers are dicks and they're not worth saving Right. I like how he dresses up as an old later in the movie.  I don't know is he's is he saying like as in he actually likes it or like as in sarcastic Yeah, like so bad. It's good. Is that what he's saying? I can't tell I have no idea Um, I think in the context of this video, he seems to be using it as a criticism.  Some people are saying it's definitely comedy and you taking it too seriously. Um Was all of this comedy? I don't know There's some legitimate criticisms though. They're actually like Based in some kind of you know consistency, but there's some of this. I'm just like wait what? Lady complete with a stock sound effect Just so he can get the jump on spider-man and then the scene ends with this great line Sometimes he just shows up for no reason. I don't understand is but I don't get it. It's a great line. I think well, I think it works, but I don't know if he's saying there's two camp again. Maybe No one says no to me. Yeah. Yeah, it seems reasonable Sounds like something that green goblin would say The problem is it's difficult to tell whether he's talking about it in terms of genuine appreciation Like it's so bad. It's good or he's saying it's bad Or is he actually saying it is actually kind of good because it matches the character or Yeah, because that's what I would argue. I think it matches uh who osborn is Yeah, I don't think it's a you you can't use it as a criticism of the film Yeah, I mean we'll just have to keep going because there's nothing for us to really grasp here Yeah, sometimes he just shows up for no reason like this jump scare However a character in the uh in fairness in fairness that scene because again watched recently Spider-man wakes up or peter parker wakes up from a nightmare That's what that is and you can tell that the the shot is from this the rooftop where He gave him the speech about new yorkers being evil So you can I absolutely agree it's a jump scare, but it's got context. It's a it's a nightmare Yeah, it's context. It's definitely there for a reason. It's not just random or something I don't know Fair enough However, a character in these movies that I do not like is aunt may aunt may has the worst pep talks in this movie I can't help thinking about The last thing I said to him he tried to tell me something important and I threw it in his face You love him. Wow. She's so wise aunt may is what what was wrong with that I don't know what's wrong with that either. That sounds like a pretty reasonable thing to say The fact is like focus on the fact that you loved him and he knew that you don't need to worry about anything else Yeah, like it's really Also, yeah, how can you hate on aunt may what the hell? Yeah, I as soon as I heard that he was hanging on aunt may. I was like Okay, this gotta be this is better be good.   All right, never mind It's satire. It's his opinion. Never mind Because it's a joke. That's funny. That's the it's a joke is the new in my opinion I mean certainly for this video Ow So anywho the second half of this movie hits and you realize that we are now watching A completely different movie and I couldn't be happier Honestly, this movie is so wild and I think that's why everybody loves these movies In the second half of the movie. We're also introduced to the actual best character j jona jamison I can agree with that when I read the comics. I hear his voice in my head Not only is his performance good, but it's like his scenes have a completely different writing staff His lines are legitimately funny in this mr. Jamison. I have to ask what is legitimately funny me I'm assuming just so now he's being serious. Yeah legitimate humor But this is legitimate and this is um a big compliment to the films, right? This is a part. I don't yeah I don't I agree with him. Yeah, I agree one of the first things about the third film was because they tried to like Tone back his character, which was a baffling move But yeah, they give him the anchor control pills and stuff and and He doesn't do a lot of the stuff that I love which is just the the dealing with whatever Crazy new thing has happened with the hero or the villain in the episode Film sorry, but yeah, I guess yeah, I agree with you that this is an awesome part to the films I love these parts are great To the point where I'm pretty sure he's making some of this stuff up Spider-man wasn't attacking the city. He was trying to save it. That's slander. It is not. I resent that Slander is spoken and print its libel. Also. Do you guys remember that elizabeth banks is in these movies? Yeah, no Nobody remembers that to me. So I forgot about it I forgot about it until I watched these movies. I forgot who played the secretary I mean, she's not really that relevant to the film. It's very minor part, but she plays it all right Oh, she's not bad She plays it fine I love her lost and we've never been this lost responding to a video like That scene happens. We get a really good idea of how much this movie has completely lost it Where before the special effects were mostly hidden or just briefly shown This movie is now a CGI nightmare And if you think I'm being mean to a movie that came out in 2002, let's see what a real critic has to say You know, my thumb is down on this movie, but flying through the skies and leaping between buildings He looks like an artificial cartoon character.  This part here always kind of bothered I don't I don't have a problem with it, honestly I mean, it's early 2000s CGI. I mean, it's never gonna be perfect. Let's be fair. Look what they do it It's like a guy on a glider flight around. Um I mean, you know, maybe you could say like, well, they could have hidden it better. It's like, okay um Fine the effects could be better. They could have done a better job there They did the best they could with what they had I think I think they hold up pretty well I mean, I it didn't take me out of the film if it did for you then it did for you, you know But it didn't for me. So I I'm fine with it. I think they hold up Decent decently well. Yeah, I don't know again. I'd be like is this really that bad Also, I don't I don't the appeal to authority fallacy doesn't concern me Oh, well, I guess his point was that he's not just bringing people were bringing up that it looked a bit awful back then Um, but using rodry, but it does make you think like Yeah, so that would that actually wouldn't help his point It would help his point if back then they said it was good well That's actually the counter-argument would be most people did not have a problem with the CGI when this film came out From what I remember very anecdotal Yeah, it says worse than you remember. So if you have a critic saying it was as bad Then as it is now then that doesn't support your argument And all and also to to some extent, I don't think this This completely devalues that criticism, but They they are sort of cartoon characters that they're they're superheroes. They're not necessarily meant to Move around and look like flesh and blood I guess I feel I feel like it adds to the Borderline cartoon you feel that sounds really pretentious. But do you see what I'm saying? Um, well, this is kind of the thing about Oh Bad and good graphics. It's like they're uh, they're surface level So if it if it bothers you it bothers you if it doesn't bother you it doesn't bother you You can absolutely call out bad CGI, but this is why when I reviewed black panther I think I had one line for the bad CGI because I was just like, you know There's gonna be people out there who just aren't bothered like because that's how CGI goes like And you know, do I think it's bad in the 2002 film where there's a man flying around on a glider throwing bombs and missiles like, um For its time, I think that's it's solid. I don't know I just I just don't Know how legitimate it is criticize a film based on its CGI based on today's standards Certainly. Yeah on today's standards. This is why it feels a little bit unfair. It's just like, okay.  I don't know. I'm assuming that's that's what he's saying because It's completely subjective, isn't it? Yeah, like I I don't really have a problem with it, but Fair enough, you know Third me too.  Anyway, he throws it at this balcony and harry. Well, I mean, it doesn't turn them into skeletons so much as it gets rid of everything Fake prizes or whatever Yeah, I mean, he's a bad guy. I'm surprised he never uses it on spider bad considering You need to watch this this sentence in its entirety though He makes him he's making a more general point. Okay. Okay.   She saw it happen. She literally watched this happen right in front of her That's a fair amount of distance.  They might be out of range If I was to criticize this myself I would rather go for the fact that green goblin doesn't seem to use this technology on anyone But these guys even though he has a lot of times where he could and uh, it's a very amazing technology It's like wow, you couldn't vaporize like flesh like that's pretty amazing But um, wasn't he trying to kill them specifically as well That's true and and add it to the fact that it's like this is a movie's fiction They can literally just say it didn't affect it because she's out of range simple as that Yeah, like the reason he came there at all was because they would be there But uh, yeah, someone else said it could be a directional bomb. It's like I I I'm not yeah That was one of my thoughts actually, but it doesn't look like one. But again, that's that's pure speculation Yeah, if she was right next to them, I would agree but she's far enough away Um for me to believe that Yeah But she's fine. I mean, maybe you gotta be like really really close to it I don't know now. I'm gonna show you guys a brief clip and it showcases exactly why I love this movie And why I think this movie is a huge joke Everything that this movie symbolizes in my mind is in this clip Hello my dear This clip has everything That is that selection of clips man. That is so Comic book, you know, I think we need to let him explain though. Yeah. No, absolutely. I'm not actually criticizing him right now I'm just appreciating that selection myself. I'm just oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's totally it's completely comic book I love it. Just it's spider-man. He's like, what? Spider-man This clip has everything Oh, it's uh, it's that's that's the part where you know stuff like that I was like, yeah, this film is definitely a campy, but I don't know if it's a criticism Um, I'm not saying he's saying that I'm saying I'm saying that I don't know if it's a criticism that These things exist because would you attack the uh, the old Superman movies for that? No, no, I think that it's inappropriate as weird as that is to say this clip has everything Goofy ass willem de faux acting screaming women, which sam ramy loves by the way, but I'll get into that later and hilarious extras I did not edit that clip to be any faster. That's just the pace of these movies This festival scene is just really a masterpiece. I can cut out five seconds at any point of this whole scene And you have unintentional comedy gold I surrender Oh boy, so the scene ends. I love that. Do you don't love that? It's not kind of the point. Good. I love it Like it makes me feel like ah, so it's just the asian guy back there Is With a nice one to punch first we get one of the funniest lines in the movie He's insane as well by the way, this is a comic. Yeah, this is a comic book movie. He's also insane Well made again spider, it's like pokemon. It's like come on, man Yeah, the scene ends with a nice one to punch first.   I think instead of you know, the the dangerous area in which the rubble is falling Yeah, just He could have dropped her off close or sure, but but yeah, he kidnapped it It's supposed to be funny I'm sure if she asked to bring him back to bring her back.   So she's kind of like She doesn't want to move It's like you wouldn't want to move in case it actually makes it fall that sort of thing yeah Rubble and people have also pointed this out before but that's obviously a mannequin in a spider-man costume And her hair is blowing in the wrong way. Anyway, let's look at more goofy scenes out of context. Yeah.   I don't know again Just seems okay fine. Yeah, there's a lot of masks. I mean even when he talks to the green goblin at a time He's taught.   I mean if they were better, I would feel more satisfied. Well, I was just gonna say like there's a lot Ah, it's about the purpose of this video again. Is it like is he only covering the bad? But he's covered the good several times. So he's not covering all of the good. I don't I don't know. Yeah, I think a lot of us most of his Points seem to be that the tone is consistently what it is Consistently inconsistent No, it's consistently consistent I'm talking about I'm talking about cosmonauts tone not the films. Oh, no, he hasn't really said anything Aside from, you know, the mannequin thing. He hasn't really said anything about why the films are worse than we remember Yeah, there's a couple of points where I'm just like, you know, that's That's fine. He makes me he makes me like the movie even more that he points them out He's doing the opposite job He makes me go, uh, that was a good part wasn't it the point of the video is to say the movies aren't flawless But he still really likes them. You guys are too eager to tear it apart line by line Um, the title is worse than you remember Yeah, I don't know about that man and and a lot of these criticisms are literally inaccurate Literally in the literal sense. Yeah, he's saying things that just aren't true. So And I I don't really think see that seems like a bit of a cheaper defense to me It's like, leave me alone. I could do what I want. It's like, well, I mean I'm since he well, yeah, again going back to Roger Aber. He brought him up to support his point um You know, it doesn't to me that That gives me the impression he's trying to make a serious point Yeah, well, there's a again the tone is so confusing I don't know when to take him seriously But he's definitely been accurate a couple of times and if you're gonna throw it all away as every time he's inaccurate He's doing it in favor of a joke You are literally using the defense that is used for cinema sentence for cosmonaut variety hour Which I'm assuming anybody who's a fan of him would say he's much better than cinema sentence Correct He said that his links in the chat said his criticism is this is so silly But he never states why this is bad or detracts from the film Yeah, I'd agree with that. In fact, he seems to praise it What do you guys think about this clickbait argument that it's essentially just clickbait? Oh Like the title is clickbait and the video itself is not really the title So far if the if the film ended here, I would agree If or if this video ended here Then I would agree But we'll see where it goes. But so far I'm kind of getting the clickbait vibe Oh, his other side. He's making the points. He's making do not line up with the title. Yeah Yeah He seems to be doing the opposite in fact. Oh his other video. I actually haven't watched Uh, any of his other videos for a while. Are his other videos like this Uh, would you mean like for clickbait or do you mean sort of format as in like if when he's criticizing a film or he's analyzing it Is it serious or is it jokie? I don't know. I've always thought he'd make serious points. Uh, I remember getting sent his video explaining why Uh, ray wasn't a Mary Sue in defense of the force awakens back before I was making reviews or But sorry before I you know people started watching my reviews before I went up to a Uh, uh, the last year I came out obviously, but I remember seeing it and being like, well, that's not a very good argument And if the whole time he was just joking then I'd be like, huh Um, interestingly enough Kira the renegade said in champ that ebert also said spider-man 2 is one of the best superhero films, but Yeah, that's not going to be relevant.  It's pretty clear that this movie is the goofiest thing to be put on film in the year 2002 I mean the climax has the villain literally holding the love interest in one hand And a metal box of children in the other superhero movie man comic book movie This is so what he's pointed out is a very consistent set of of criticisms in that A lot of them seem to just be that this film has a tone and it's sticking to that tone That's what i'm getting Yeah, that doesn't make the films worse. No, I Are roasted this guy and I can see why He kind of did yeah, he responded to him in um, his tlj video. I think which was interesting He basically just counted the um, he counted the counter for rey being a mary sue, which That's just an ongoing criticism for some reason like people just don't don't agree with that a lot of people don't And spider-man has to pick which one he's going to save If something this stereotypical happened in a superhero movie today, there would be public outcry about um He was going to make a choice just to save something or something else. I'm pretty sure they still do that I mean, you know a lot more about the Marvel movies than I do like does that kind of thing still happen or is Is there something similar to this? I don't know if you'd get something as as blatant No, it's not as blatant and specific But this is the thing is that this kind of a thing in the movie Matches the rest of the movie and I'm not saying that just because it's consistent. It's good But you can't really fault the film's consistency. Oh, yeah, someone just said it happened in the dark night. Yeah, it happened in the dark night Yes, exactly. Yeah, you can't you can't say this is any different the guys like choose between this many lives Like it's dark and it's darker and grittier, but it's the same basic choice I mean, this is the thing I felt like I didn't even need to get a reference It's like the idea of heroes choosing between saving one or the other of a thing It's like that's that's that's the point. What's wrong with that? I think that's good So Bernard and chat said his point is that now that tom holland is spider-man people act like these movies are masterpieces This is to show that these movies aren't as good as people say they are But is he making that point? Well, then he shouldn't have called it worse than you remember He should have said they're not flawless or not flawless just that Because I you wouldn't have catch any disagreement from us about them not being flawless But the thing is He's pointed out flaws that aren't flaws a couple of times Yeah, he's saying things that aren't true And I still don't think it's fair to judge this film based on modern Cinema standards of superhero movies because superhero movies have changed over time And this this helped establish them in the first place He someone else said he's trying to say they were they are worse than remembered not bad But he's not making that point. He makes me think they're great I'm not even sure what his point is It's very confusing. So is he meant is he meant to be arguing against nostalgia then? If you if if I watch this video and you hid the title from me and I had to guess the title I would assume that this is in praise of spider-man one Or the value the value of you know superhero camp Like I would think that this is a praise film Or a praise video He did he did start this off with reference to homecoming right? He said that everyone keeps telling him the spider-man 2 is better than homecoming I'm just going to put it out there homecoming has flaws too Like this is again why I said that I probably picked spider-man 2 over it I think the spider-man 2 is actually Stronger in terms of construction. It's a complicated thing to break down But I mean if that's his point that these are worse than spider-man homecoming then even then I'd say that he's uh He's going Is if he's trying to seriously argue then his arguments don't work And if it's just a joke does it work then? It's just a joke. Yeah It's just a joke then We're just giving you all content I guess But if he's trying to compare the two movies Then I hope there's a comparison. I genuinely believe if we had him here right now He would say no, I was just trying to say that these films have a lot of things that people don't seem to Acknowledge maybe I think that's probably what his position is Maybe but I'd just be like well if we'd gone through the video with him We'd be like you realize that for example, uh, peter was probably getting to the To the bus stop and you'd be like, yeah, okay. Okay.  It's all right We're all good.   He explains this video We'll uh, we'll play that after we're done with this one just to see what he says I've got that ready Public outcry about how silly it is But to top it off you get the funniest line in the whole movie and I mean it out of everything I've shown you guys This line this one's the funniest one now Oh, I thought it was the other funny. No, no this one takes the cake I have memorized this speech It is truly iconic to me as one of the greatest and cheesiest superhero movie monologues Spider-man This is why only fools are heroes because you never know when some lunatic will come along with the sadistic choice Let die the woman you love Or Suffer the little children Truly a masterpiece as a regular superhero movie. I'm gonna give this a six out of ten. So you that was a criticism, right? I think so Also six out of ten. Hmm. I I mean, I'm not a huge fan of numbers just because you never know what they actually mean But I'd probably go higher than six personally. Yeah eight minimum But I guess that's it for spider-man one All right. Also, what does that mean that he's actually throwing reviews at the end of them? You know like As if he's as if he's talked about the pros and cons already, but he's already really talked about the cons like a two pros I In his cons were mostly not But yeah, okay, I thought this was a I would have assumed that this was an in praise of spider-man one video So, okay, so if his video is not a hundred percent criticism How what criticisms has he actually mentioned that would reduce it from a ten out ten to a six out of ten? Let's say Yeah, because this is interesting you got in chat. It's like this was not criticism um Six out of ten is positive. Y'all just seem to want to disagree with everything he says. We've agreed with them several times So yeah, we've agreed with that. That's the thing. We're agreeing with him on a lot that he says But he seems to be taking those things as bad or I'm mostly confused if if I saw this on my own and It was irrelevant of like analysis. I wouldn't know how to react to this. I just be like, I guess He's saying it's got camp which I agree which it does and that makes the film great Oh, people are saying it might be a yms reference What just him putting a number on the end casually because yms does do that Oh, maybe That sums up all we have. No, well, we don't know do we But I'm considered now because we're about to jump to just fight about two Man, we have spider-man two in three.  I'm gonna use the loo and get a Very very good. Yeah me too, man. Me too. I will I will talk to my wonderful audience Oh god, I saw this already all the movies are basically the same get ready for a good time It's gonna be three hour or five hour sash. Love y'all. I don't specifically know how long we're gonna take but um Yeah, this video is a little bit confusing so far. I give this f to pay respect to your twitter rags Oh, I mean, I'll let him know when he comes back. Have you guys seen any of shammy's videos? I I think I saw his ukulele one If he if he made a ukulele no, I saw his no man sky one Which he's made more than one of I think but um I'm aware of shammy. I think I just want to say I love you guys. Hope you all have a great day and weekend Thank you james for the $100 again. It's very generous of you. Um EU approved of disney fox merger sony keeping spider-man and the guy who created disfigable me as rebooting shrek is the world ending What happens if sony keeps spider-man what happens to the tom harland spider-man does it go to sony? I'm assuming nox part of the mcu. I have to see what happens with that Greetings dear sir. It's from austria. Thank you for for the great content It's only three of us, but I mean maybe you're talking about wolf as well I watched all your e-faps and learned and laughed a lot Your even bridled rages were great and lengthy stars ones were We're half Oh, there's a second one informative interesting and eloquent. Please tell wolf. He's missed and I hope he's doing Okay, yes, you were his friend wolf and I will let him know. Thank you very much And um rags. You'll get your own sc in your next stream. I'm not sure what sc references I'm afraid if you like this guy's ramy trilogy video.  Is that such a wise idea? Probably not Um captain midnight did a very good rebuttal to this that would be interesting to see um considering I'm curious if captain midnight got the same criticism that we're sort of getting here about like Taking it too seriously. I don't know Because I don't know what to take seriously I just like homecoming because it misses a huge part of spider-man's character and story There aren't any consequences high top films makes a very good video on that subject Anyway, I want to say I love you rhino milk I will have to check it out because I did like homecoming quite a bit Um celebrating my birthday so I can't stay for long but I wanted to say hi. Hello maveross um I needed this podcast just got weird my brother was finally deployed to japan for the next seven months. Thank you Anything to make you guys feel feel feel good if it does that that's that's great. Obviously We are we are laid back, but um, you know, it can't be critical sometimes. So hopefully it's just entertaining Deliberately bad criticism is still bad criticism. Yes, but nick. What if they say you're not supposed to take it seriously It's there's very confusing rules on that one. I mean, this is the same thing that happened with h-bomber guy. I um I said that I would Sort of take things seriously And if they were a joke then the audience would recognize that and we could all move on Because I couldn't tell because h-bomber guy has a very specific delivery, which Hmm confuses me as to sometimes whether or not. Uh, that's that's the that's the case. So I let the audience try and figure that out I suppose Longing rusted 17 daybreak furnace nine benign homecoming one freight car mauler Are you ready to take on the capitalist machine two years later? Hello everyone and welcome to our review of star wars I It's gonna be less than two years, but It's coming. It's definitely coming.  I mean This is the thing we've sort of made a few arguments in favor of how he's sort of ignoring the tone and format Um, so I think that it is kind of relevant Because if you look at the dark night Criticisms of camp will be far more suitable considering how seriously the film takes itself while this film is obviously, um Not s equal super chat that makes sense. I'm uh, I sorry. I missed that This dangus face takes the intentional campy tone and mixes it in with actual criticisms of the movie This vid is some cinema sins level shite. He had some good videos, but this ain't it chief.  I was gonna say I don't know but fair enough Superman in kingdom come when in exile luke in tlj when in exile trouble pass both get a visitor guess Which one actually rises to the challenge Obviously luke with his projection. I mean I mean it is make an argument without it being old. Okay. Well luke was old It'll be point number one only hipsters would hate rabies trilogy rabies spider. I maybe love new york city I cry every time. I mean, I still love them Maybe not the third one, but I still love the first two. Absolutely. Yeah um So, yeah, nice and caught up is Is chris back or is he? Oh, maybe Beautiful just got just got back.  So now we've arrived apparently. I don't know. Oh, why was that funny? I think that was I thought that was kind of nice that that was his last words Don't tell harry, you know like he does kind of care deep down He doesn't want harry to think of him that way. I don't know maybe He added a loft track which means It's funny. Okay. How is it? How is it?  That's the one I have. I'm sorry. Now. All the point of this video is to bring up the crummy aspects of this movie and kind of laugh at it So he just said the point of this video is to bring up the crummy aspects and laugh at them Isn't that what he just said or maybe Um, let's double check spider-man 2 Point one. That's the one I have. I'm sorry. Now. All the point of this video is to bring up the crummy aspects of this movie and kind of laugh at it I gotta admit that it's 100 undeniable that this is the best movie out of the trilogy It's way funnier than the first one. But just to clarify so it is that he's bringing up criticisms And he's laughing at them. That's what he's that's what he said, right? Yeah, right So that's confirmation I guess yeah, but the stuff he's bringing up is not a criticism unless that was a joke too. I don't know.  So let's start off with another peter parker narration. Who am I? I'm spider-man giving a job to do Bleh now I would run through this movie scene by scene like I did for the last movie, but this movie's Uh, do you guys think that he went through it scene by scene in the last movie? No, because it was only it was less than 13 minutes Not only that but he barely mentioned a hell of a lot of stuff. There's probably some criticisms. I'd say he's with, um He he's gone over, but he's missed. I don't know fine. Yeah, go through it scene by scene if that's what you call this Kind of hard to do therefore And I'd also be here for a really long time I'm trying to go to bed.    Absolutely. You just gotta I mean Give it until next year. Sorry. I'm not edgy enough guys Gotta gotta crank it up. Chris. You got some competition for edge.   It's like, okay so context-wise You've got he tells aunt may the He had a hand in the death of uncle ben and um She's got like severe money problems. Like she's going through some stuff She's not just one dimensional in this film And then you got mary jane whose is this the one where she's getting gradually more Upset because uh, spider-man life takes precedent. No way. What's what's because that's the that's the one in the third film The second film the second one. She's dealing with the fact that she's struggling to become an actress, right? And she keeps yeah And uh, peter's not sort of doing enough Uh, you know from her point of view to to be a friend like he's supposed to be our best friend But he keeps missing her show. Oh, yeah Yeah, and that's and that ties in with the film of spider-man keeps getting in the way of his life Is the point. Yeah, and yeah, so I don't even know you what's happening She doesn't know he's spider-man. She just thinks he's a friend average dude and he keeps failing her as a friend, which Upset me Yeah, this is kind of what i'm getting at and the thing with harry for me was he felt very one dimensionally he only ever talks about How he just wants to kill spider-man spider-man spider-man and it's wish that we got a little bit more um I don't know a little bit more balance, but obviously in the seamery slabs peter. He is drunk.  He fired him for for not doing and again It was because of spider-man in the opening Yeah, he says something like he's late because he did he said there was a disturbance He says something that implies he was doing something spider-man related. I think Yeah, I mean if there were a few characters who were being really really nice to him at the same time it would be very jarring Because the whole point is it's meant to be tearing him down I mean his relationship is repaired with uh without may and mj by the end of spider-man 2 Um, he's confident. He's he's victorious. He does save the day like to me What i'm saying is like as much as he goes through some rough stuff He does come out on top and everything resolves By the end, yeah, yeah But um, sure. Let's let's keep going.  That's kind of important though Yeah, that's kind of important though. It's not just important, but it's like it's not that clunky I don't know. I guess that's a joke again, but he is also. It's not literally the first thing he says Isn't it if I remember correctly again? I kind of want to watch the scene, but um he's like You know The job gets brought up that he's been fired and he says like I still got the other job and then he's like Oh, yeah taking photos of your buddy like Yeah, which is obviously a point of contention It would be out of character for harry to say anything but that if he said something like yeah It's really great that you take photos of spider-man. It would be like why why is he saying it like that? Yeah, it's it's a natural uh What to say progression A segway whatever like it feels natural. He doesn't just randomly bring it up And it is very important that he brings it up at all and there's a thing.  I really hate spider-man.  I have no idea what he's trying to say with that Yeah, I'll write off his joke. He talks about how spider-man killed his dad Even when spider-man saves his life in the beginning of the movie. He doesn't even skip a beat. He's just like This doesn't change anything God damn.   He killed his dad like he's I don't know This is the thing is I actually blame peter more for this because he just doesn't take the time to break it down for him But I guess it's Difficult being that he's spider-man as opposed to peter parker. That would be the and obviously he's busy at many of these moments And plus his voice sounds like peter parker He's like oh hey, that's true. Yeah peter. What are you doing? Oh my god.  You are really petty. It also doesn't help that james franco's acting is kind of shitty in this movie I'm ruined I have nothing left except spider-man. And then we have ant may who nags this Yeah, I mean I I I'm not one that's going to defend James franco's acting in these movies or or attack it. I think it was fine personally. I don't know about you guys I think overall it was fine. That's that example. Yeah, that would be a good example of his He could have done better. They could have they could have reshot that Yeah, I think sorry except spider-man. Oh, do you want to say something? Yeah, I was just saying I think sometimes he does have his very weak moments Um, and yeah, they should have done reshoots, but overall I do think he's he's good with what he's given Yeah, I think again, I just say it's fine. But again, he's brought it up as like a thing and I'm like, okay I agree And then we have ant may who nags the shit out of peter parker in every scene that he's in she abuses random people Whoa Okay, so this Me and rags are gonna be able to recall this because we actually laughed our asses off of this bit So the context is They want a loan and aunt may is saying look, I'm you can trust me. I'm bringing him money I'm teaching piano again And peter is that's a lie to try and get the loan and peter looks her and goes you are And she wants to kick peter to be like shut up, but she kicks this guy instead That's dead Yeah, it's funny because the guy's like ow and peter's just looking confused like what's going on It's a mistake. Yeah Yeah, and also he he showed a clip of that earlier scene where she insists on giving him money because she knows that he needs it Which is a great scene by the way. That's not nagging That's not nagging. I actually kind of want to rewind to that Look, there that scene is great because a richer person could give more but they could never give as much Yeah, and she wants to take care of him regardless of her own circumstances. That's Yes, that's the point of the that's that's the point of her character Um, I might be in I might be in some dire financial straits at the moment, but this is your birthday Yes, it comes across as like there should be there should never be a time where a parent can't give the the kid A birthday present. That's what it comes across as to me And she gets really upset because she doesn't like elements of this film That's the thing it's really like I I would actually say it's one of the best moments in the film We're out may breaks down because she's got so little money That giving 20 dollars to the person that she's supposed to look after is is considered like a bad move and she doesn't want it to be that way She wants that to be So yeah, I don't I would never consider that nagging. It's just a great scene Parker in every scene that he's in she abuses random people Ow and in the most egregious instance of mischaracterization She makes peter feel more guilty for uncle ben's death at a crucial point in the movie. Peter is like hey aunt may It's been eating me up inside.   Okay one.  I'm not sure how I would take that no matter what your relationship is to me Yeah, that would take some processing I actually think it was really well done because she doesn't do the stereotype thing and just go It's okay, peter. We love you. She just walks away because it's it's beyond shocking and if you remember in the third film She says the uh, can you believe uh, I would have been married to uncle ben for 50 years today or something like that She was very much invested in that man. He meant a lot to her so Gonna have to disagree with that take And I think it's even more powerful because she's constantly giving him support and she is constantly being the nice one but Something this has made her walk away a little bit.  She says You know, it's important that they stick together and the the other ones around is it's it's okay It's just she needed time and it's again Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't she say that it was brave of you to tell me? Yes Yeah, she does This is what I mean the spider-man 2 is strong. Like it's not just it's a neat film It's like I I I was happy to admit. It's like there's a lot of good writing in here.   That's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, you do remember he literally says It's because of me that uncle bed is dead. I let the robber go It's like whoa That's a huge that's something huge to take it.  That's not what the Well, it is and it is Aunt May in the films at least I think because yeah, she she's genuinely the nurturing The kind one the one who will always forgive anything and she's come back from that shock and said You know what? It's okay. It's water under the bridge. You made a mistake, but it's best to move on Isn't that isn't that like one of the best things you can say in that situation? Yeah, and besides she's saying that as she's packing up because she wants to move on literally move on Yeah, the house is like she sees ben As the house that she's had for so long. She wants to She needs to move on and that's what she's trying to do and part of that moving on is forgiving peter Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't disagree with anything you just said. Yeah, I think that's exactly what the film is going for Not a strong take But whatever this is not aunt may and it makes me really mad But even though aunt may has the worst scene and she's one of the worst characters in the movie Can we just pull it for a second? What does he mean by this isn't aunt may does he mean it's not comic book in the comics or just in Lying with the rest of the films I'm I don't know I do not know. I'm gonna assume comic books. I don't explain at all Maybe it's maybe he means the one from the first film But I think she's completely consistent. This is a thing It would have bothered me if she just went it's okay, peter Because she's perfectly consistent with the first film. Uh, she's just more complex in this one She just shows more sides to her character. Like she doesn't I that's right. I would argue. She's less one dimensional Less one dimension. She's she's got she's got multiple dimensions. She has layers. She actually has a character And I thought someone someone said in chat. I thought he hated aunt may in the first film Well, I guess he hates both. Well, again, I think he's referring to the comic. Honestly, I think he's referring to the comic Um, okay, well, I mean a massive spider-man buff and I can tell you rosemary harris is still the most accurate aunt may ever I mean considering how heavily the I don't know about second and third film But definitely the first one how heavily they were based on the comics I'd be very very shocked if they You know the aunt may there was not representative Boros and chat said she's an onion She's gonna lay it But even though aunt may has the worst Seen and she's one of the worst characters in the movie. She still isn't the number one worst character Wait, she's one of the worst characters in the movie apparently I guess but man, I thought she was maybe the strongest. You know how I take that I'm like, man, if she's one of the worst this film is doing pretty good This has got some great characters apparently Oh But who does he think the real worst one is let's find out let's find out can't wait find out It's gonna be Mary Jane's nose to me Yeah, there we go. Yes it is Let me go back a bit Number one worst character No, that award goes to Mary Jane Watson The most petty and manipulative person in the entire series. She spends the whole movie I would agree with it. He's not there for her. I was gonna say I'd agree with it in the third one But i'm fine with her in this first and second. Yeah, third one. She's a bit of a Actually the end of the second one. I really didn't like that. She ditches the guy at the altar I thought that was really um, that was a bit much. Yeah, but um She's the thing is peter hasn't explained what's going on.  No, which was yeah, but oh by the way, I am spider-man too. She's like what is a complete clusterfuck and You know she has that scene where um, I think it's the beginning of this film actually where It's obviously following the end of the first film where she's like we should date and he's like no And then she's like we should date again I think at the beginning of this film and he's like no and then she's like by the way There's someone else It's like oh as in As in like the running out of time our moment is about to close So like be sure I suppose is how I would have taken it and and then he spends the rest of the film trying to catch up With her if you remember until He decides she she comes back to him. She's like, okay fine. Let's do it that he's like no Actually, I was wrong because you remember it's like They play opposites throughout the whole film He he doesn't want to be with her she does and then she doesn't want to be with him And he actually does he drops the whole spider-man thing It wants to become like a person and then the second she actually comes back She's like, okay fine, and then he's like no actually no This is what I mean for like I I understand here When does he say no near the end of the second film you mean? Uh, do you talk about like the second time? It's when they're having a conversation Before dr. Octopus throws a car at them She's like right. She's like let's be together again Then he's like she she said my mind was playing tricks on me. We should be together and then he goes Oh, well my mind was playing tricks on me too.  Uh, she gets played around with a little bit in this film And I feel like because she has no idea what's going on with spider-man versus dr. Octopus She's just sitting here with this guy who's playing around with it. Like I don't see why she wouldn't be the way she is Hmm What do you think I mean a lot of people are saying that she is still the worst character in the film What do you what films? What do you think? Harry maybe I think harry's worse. Yeah, I think he's so one-dimensional Oh, yeah, I would agree with that thing is I can still understand them both Like the most growth harry gets is in the third film and it's It's you know, it's rushed because they have so little time But they have to get their three villains in harry is best friend steal your girlfriend man in the first one He doesn't really do much beyond that and then he's I hate spider-man man in the second one That's literally all he does Yeah, someone just said that mj has daddy issues. So it makes sense how she acts like and I think she has trust and abandonment issues as well That's true. Yeah Yeah, that's a big part of what goes on with her. She if you remember. Oh, what was the bit uh rags There's something like She tells peter that um, I think this is in the third film. It's either third or the second No, it's gotta be the third film. She says Uh the reading these reviews It's like they were written by my dad and he just goes oh gotta go and he just jumps out the window And it's like dude That's not a time where you leave, but yeah, you know, it's complicated relationship And we can't be um, I'll go back a bit make sure we don't cut anything out this movie. He's like hey, listen I'm sorry. We can't be together You know, I gotta do my own thing. It's sad But hey, he's being straight with her and in their first scene in this movie She tries to make the moves on him and he's like, hey, whoa, hold up. Yeah, no, I'm still I'm still trying to be friends Here. I don't I don't want to date you if I remember I I don't want to I don't want to pull up the dialogue But I'm pretty sure he gives implications that he's not 100 against the idea He's he says she says something like it was great seeing you again.  What what what is what you just said? What what was that?   Oh boy.    She says something like She says I like him.  If isn't she she's I think she says like I like him because I remember the The dialogue being weird. I'm actually going to put the script. I'm not trying to do this just to prove him wrong I'm literally curious.  Yeah Yeah, she I'm just checking out now. So he says oh boy. Yeah, and then she says oh boy Yeah, what and he goes nothing and then she says do you want to say something and he goes I was wondering He pauses for ages and then he goes if you're still in the village and she goes you're such a mystery and Obviously he didn't actually want to answer that question. He just covered and then she says Happy birthday and she walks away and she says I'm seeing someone now and he goes like a boyfriend And she goes well like I like him and he goes what? And she goes nothing and he goes. Oh, well, you know companionship is good And she goes maybe more than that and he goes more And she goes I don't know the point is that Peter doesn't know whether or not he's actually sure about giving up on her or not if that makes sense I think she's trying to leave the door open for him basically Yeah, um, that's the whole film is the Both of them are telling each other that they don't know whether or not they actually do 100% want to be together and they decide by the end It's not definitive from Peter's side at all. He really is. I don't think it's manipulative No, I don't think so either. I think this is two people who really are not sure about what they're going to do with their lives And that's kind of a part of the film It's about identity Duality choosing one life over another one. It's it's all there Stop portraying it like it's I think maybe that's I mean Sorry, I think that's kind of why she likes spider-man, isn't it because he sort of comes in and Sweeps her off her feet and like saves her and I think because of her issues. She's looking for some guy to come in and be like You know, I'm with you now Um, maybe the reassurance. I don't know. I don't know that that's what strikes me about it But yeah, I think she's just leaving the door in for you and saying, you know, if you want it, you know You better get on it quick. Yeah, and I think the being like, oh, she's just so whiny.     That's giving him the chance That's more blatant than a lot of people will be with each other. It's like, yeah, definitely very adult to be like I'm going to pursue this relationship if we don't have anything But uh, whatever frame it this way it makes you look really bad It's just a joke Yeah, I wonder if anybody feels like this section is a joke This has been very much more critical than the um, his typical sort of approach, isn't it?  It's just because she's mad at him Punch me. I bleed I'm not sure about that and and he does He's a very dashing astronaut and he asks her in front of like a massive crowd. He actually does something about it Yeah, and he didn't really have much of a chance I mean, I'm not trying to say that she didn't want to marry him. I'm saying the Under the circumstances it'd be pretty awkward if she said no because it's like a giant crowd. He did it like it's a giant But uh, yeah, I don't know. There was I don't think there's a scene where she says she only married him because she hates peter or something I don't I don't remember that.    She doesn't know that peter parker is spider-man So she's just remembering what it felt like to kiss spider-man So remembering about recapturing that feeling of You know kissing a hero I'm pretty sure genuinely I'm pretty sure she's doing it as like a test to see if peter does kiss the same way a spider-man or if everybody kisses When you're upside down like that like that Hmm. I'm pretty sure that's what the point of the scene is. I don't think it's her actually being like please kiss me like my ex did I don't think That that's that but but um, I mean the fact is as well. Is it so bad like she does Not get what she wants from astronaut man. That is I mean as much as it's a bit cruel to astronaut man. She just doesn't uh have passion frame. I guess is what I would say Yeah, yeah Poor astronaut man. I used to kiss me this one guy that I just kissed in it. Oh, so I don't think she told him that I don't think she said hey, I want to kiss you like my ex. I think she just did Assuming that she didn't just kiss the guy on the couch in that way because that's kind of where she was I mean because she's not kissing him like spider-man. She's clearly on the side of him. It's just different I think well, I think she's deliberately placed herself there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird though Anyway one time I just want to you know, see what it feels like what the fuck no, but that's not the only frustrating plot device So that he's just calling it a frustrating plot device like that's a serious criticism That's a plot device the uh the kiss I'd have to refresh myself on what plot device means A plot device or plot mechanism is any technique in a narrative used to move the plot forward I don't think it moves the plot forward that she kisses him No, it doesn't at all. Yeah, if they didn't have that seen it at all then Is he referring to Mary Jane as a plot device? I think I don't know man possibly Whatever, we'll just keep going because I don't know that it's just a joke.   He said for them Isn't he overconfident though?  They've got the insanity gene Which is well established. They they've both got conflicting minds Dr. Octopus as as the inhibitor chip is broken. He thinks he can just do it again I'm not saying this is a counter to his criticism.   I guess that's how it works I don't know. It's supposed to be a contain. It's supposed to be a contained energy field And therefore safe for everyone else, right? Yeah, isn't that the point and it was safe up until everything went wrong? The point all his entire supervillain plot is Well, I gotta finish my science experiment might as well His science experiment is going to save the universe or the the world that's his motivation I'm sorry. You can't get away with this one. It's like his whole motivation is saving the world so I mean, and even if it wasn't saving the world and if it was just for purely selfish reasons like People's work Is a huge motivation for why they do the things that they do And before anyone says he's killing people and robbing banks to save the world really It's like, yes, he does value. He even says means he says We need money the arms say we should steal it. He says Crime I'm I'm above that and then he says wait the real crime would be not to finish this project Exactly. So there you go. Also. He's being He's being overtaken by the ai in the arms. Yes, the purpose of the arms was to conduct the experiment Yeah, the arms are very utilitarian compared to so of course they're going to drive him to want to finish it Yeah So yeah, all very good reasons why he has that motivation There's a lot of attention to detail in the writing for this film like they really do want to get a lot of these things across Little cactus on the chat said remember guys. He's not into science that much.  That's the whole reason they exist They're their whole purpose. That's the goal that they were created for and they know it And he's got a similar intentions.  He's just pointing out like I agree And yeah, I love that scene the whole scene but the thing is I love loads of the scenes from spider-man 2 so Yeah, it's great scene Yeah, and it's classic samurai I mean, it's kind of a horary kind of I mean on its own No, but compared to every yeah Yeah, it's a it's a horrible scene compared to everything else But it's horrible in that you could if you put this into a horror movie and you added blood splatters It would have been fine like it would have fit right in yeah Like you they definitely leave things to the imagination Sam Raimi loves screaming women Even when the movie isn't being campy and it's not being serious It's just being really awkward You know this video when it's not being campy and it's not being serious. It's just really awkward I didn't say he's really confusing I definitely agree with that Toby McGuire can't have a normal scene with somebody. We sure showed him What do you mean we? So anyway, what was what was wrong with that? You understand that's peter parker beneath that mask I feel bad because I love that bit where she's like I was the one who p.m. And he's like, no It's good. It's good. Yeah, I don't All right, whatever moving on Moving on to your nose that in this movie, you know peter parker knows she could use a little boost So anyway, peter parker beats up dr Octopus he tells mary janey's spider-man and then she leaves her fiancé on their wedding day And decides to be with peter parker. She loves him Well, that's that's that was it. I know I know it was he describing the plot or was he criticizing? I don't know That's the big question.  She just she jelts him. Yeah. Yeah, she does Jelting means you don't show up to the wedding But at the same I mean I'm not defending her but like at the same time If she had stayed with astronaut boy, she would have been miserable She inspired a man would never have got together and It would have been it would have been a very different ending wouldn't it? I would I think they did it for the theatrics I think the realistically she would have just said I don't want to be with you Not leaving him literally on the altar.  He hasn't actually made that criticism yet.  Well, I think he is saying that as a criticism Well, he's From my interpretation there. He's saying the fact that she's done it in general is fucked up as opposed to the specifics Because I think it's fine in general, but the specifics is part of what yeah, I don't like how she did it I feel like in the context of this video just the way that he's talking about it. He is making it sound like it's a criticism Yeah And I would agree we can't prove that either way I don't agree that her choosing him in the end is bad. I just agree that it's the way it's but across is a bit like what Like the do you ever the see the guy is literally like handed a letter while he's waiting for it. He's like wow He's like oh and everyone's there including harry and uh his dad, which is like man. This is this was That was mean Yeah, okay, I don't know if he's criticizing the relationship overall I'd have things to say but I'll just assume it's about the scene Doesn't mind that he's spider-man and she'll do whatever it takes to be with him And that she'll be there for him no matter what Except on the next movie where she leaves him because he's spider-man.  Yeah, that is what the film's about.  I love it Wow, that was what six minutes Oh That was the best of oh I would I wow, okay. I guess that's done Correct me if I am wrong about this. Well, it's not really a fact. It's just an assumption Do you think you started rushing this after he did the first one?  Maybe but it's supposed to be worse than I remember. Well, the crazy thing is that he criticized a lot of the Genuinely speaking a lot of the good great parts. Yeah The aunt may thing like oh, yeah, he's just making stuff up Or just deliberately misinterpreting stuff. Yeah Yeah, as bain flay just said, what about the train seat? How do you not mention the train scene, man? Oh, wow Wow, okay, and then he's got what another eight minutes to cover the worst of the three films This is the problem No, you're really gonna just tell us that spider-man 3 isn't very good because it's it's gonna we know Yeah, I just we know you're gonna be bringing anything new to the table I'm curious if he maybe he's gonna defend it that would that would be interesting but Maybe but what's strange is that you would think that it's universally kind of accepted that the second one is the best of the three And that it's a really good superhero movie And if your point is to tell us that they're worse than we remember That would really be the big target. Yeah, definitely That's the one to go for half as long as the first one But yeah, let's just see what this goes. I'm willing to take anything right now If he focuses the rest of this time of the third film, then he will have focused on the worst one Better than more than the best one when his point is to tell us they're worse than we remember Which would be strange.  However, while the movie is bad. It's actually pretty consistent Oh Wait, I didn't catch that. What did you say it's it's bad, but it's consistent All right, let's let's back up just to leave it This was back up just not about to talk shit about spider-man 2 and go ahead and say this one's good And I almost wasn't even gonna talk about it because everybody already knows the funny things in it But I can't help it this movie is hilarious. However, while the movie is bad. It's actually pretty consistent in its tone. This still Um, so Um, what's interesting is that this is exactly what he said about the other ones. It's funny And those other ones were consistent in their tones I was gonna say, yeah, they were consistent, right? But so Now do we know now with him saying that do we know now That when he was mentioning all of the silliness from the first two That it's a bad thing or If it's consistent in tone that means it's not bad, correct Is he just saying that it's not it's only as bad as the others in that sense And I'm sorry, but I don't think I don't think three is consistent by the way personally I think it goes super goofy and then sometimes really serious for example When harry dies is like that's some serious shit right there Yeah, they're really trying to play that out. Like it's not the film isn't entirely goofy Well, didn't he say that he doesn't see much difference between the three films? I think he did say that. Yeah. Yeah in terms of like the quality. Yeah, because the clip was aunt may on the ledge. Yeah Hmm By the way, nice pause Yeah, good point. All right, let me drag it back a bit.  How's the pie? So good So this movie goes ahead and starts off with another it's me Peter Parker.  You think after two movies he'd probably get good at this You'd think after two movies you'd explain the problem Yeah, he just keeps pointing out that he does it Is it just is it just the bad delivery? I'm assuming. I don't know if it's more to do with the fact that it's Like it's ruining some form of immersion or if it's like commentary that's unnecessary or if it's just bad acting. I don't know Well, it's it's a very comic book intro, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, so That's all we've got guys But no, he doesn't now if you ask me the best part about this movie is the fact that the wackiness starts at the very beginning It's not a gradual build-up like it is in the last two movies This movie starts off as a shit show at the 10 minute mark We already see two antagonists Harry starts juicing with the goblin serum Yeah, I mean me and rags completely agreed with this. We were watching it.  Well, I don't think it's a whole I don't think it's consistent though Matter space feels like it's something that kind of deserves a whole lot more time to sort of play up its importance Instead of just one of three villains Um, I I'm just I'm I'm mainly just stuck at the factor that you just like are aliens With everything else going on kind of aliens too, and I'm just like that's weird I would have thought it would fit right in the MCU obviously is doing it.  It just feels like yeah. Oh, here's a here's a plot device or here's a villain I don't know I feel like he could develop that point.  Now all things considered.  I agree with that too Yeah, I agree him picking up the lock. It was really great One thing I will say though is the b-rax that it was funny when he breaks into this place And these sides is people like hey, there's some um, they say silicon or they say some kind of Thing they say we can detect some kind of signature and then they go It's probably a bird. It'll go away and we thought it was hilarious That um, there's like this just this set of police that are parked outside like prior to break it They're just like that's probably nothing It may not be a full-blown criminal jumped in there But like isn't he now Offering a piece of serious criticism. Well as in positive criticism. Yeah, I'd say so Yeah But it's a joke. I don't know It's all a joke, man. I have no idea The effects have aged pretty well and with no dialogue and beautiful music. It's an excellent example of I don't know about the music Yeah, the music I wasn't when it was rags brought it up when we were watching it and I did Think about the music and I was like, I'm not a hundred percent sure what they're portraying exactly I didn't even notice the music Yeah, it was very it it just didn't really fit. I don't think the movie really fit But I it was it was enough To where I did when we were watching this film.  It's like it's it's it's it's okay. It feels weird that I'm trying to explain, you know, like it's like, yeah, spider-man 3 has got way bigger problems, so it's fine We can get over that It's kind of weird because if you look at this scene on its own, it's kind of beautiful But then you remember it's in the same movie as this scene And you get kind of upset.  He's like we barely even understand.   Like, yeah, I even when we watched it I was like, so what was the point of that? It's just a delay. I'm in there because they need him to be a villain at a certain point And now which as everybody knows is probably the worst plot device in the history of storytelling Is that a plot device? It moves the plot. It sort of stops the plot temporarily. Yeah, I suppose you could Is that what a plot device counts as because you said it yeah, it said it pushes plot forward Is there another word for stops plot? I don't know Plot bump. I don't know plot bomb Plot because I like plot It's a plot device, you know that keeps you going forward. Yeah. Yeah, um, but it's it's fine. Like I'm just curious about the actual Film criticism language. I don't know if that's actually how you use it He seriously hit his head and forgot.  Also, james franco has gone from being a bad actor to being an insane one Now unsurprisingly mary jane is still the worst character in this movie I wait I thought you said oh, no he did say he did say didn't he I thought for a second I remembered it as aunt may was the worst but no he did clarify that mary jane was worse She's the second worst in the last So will she we'll see how she stacks up in this spider man gets attacked all the time. This isn't about you This is about me. Remember how in the in fairness The conversation this is the thing me and rags brought up. She was talking about seeing her dad in the reviews And then he's like, yeah spider man gets criticism.  I would probably have the same thing I'd be like Chill out. I'm not talking about spider man. The last movie. She's like, hey, I love you. I'll support your lifestyle Yeah, well the first time he has to go out and do spider man stuff. She's like Oh, I didn't know this spider man. Shit was gonna be well. It's probably been a while And it's probably not the first time so it's kind of wearing her down that and he's not there to talk Context man. She says I see my dad in these reviews The dad who like is abusive like this is really important. I can't be defending spider man three I feel weird It be fair to the film. Come on. It's very easy to criticize. You don't need to you don't need to make it There's already enough wrong with it.  That's gwen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's hilarious that you got Whatever accident is taking place It's hits gwen stacey who happens to be peter's Co-student in whatever subject he's taking and also the girly kisses later on Who's also dating eddie brock who happens to be on scene taking photos who is not So gone and she's the daughter of the chief of police. Who's that guy there as well? It's a bit of a like Wow, that's a lot of Everybody who's gonna be important to say It's very contrived But I guess they're trying to cramp so much into this film. Yeah. Yeah, that's how they have to do it The way and he just shows up randomly now all things considered tofer grace's performance is not actually that bad I actually really like it. See photography. It's not just about no offense Flag calls whenever it's about lighting and it kind of upsets me that people blame him for why this movie sucks I've never blamed him. I've always said he's miscast because I actually like him in that 70s show Yeah, he just yeah, he wasn't that 70s show. It's He ain't the only thing. I'll tell you that Like um, it was a team effort to make this a bad film And I think there are scenes where he's he's super like chewing the scenery Like as venom and um, there's a couple of scenes where it's just a bit awkward. I don't know But like I wouldn't say he's flawlessly acting it. I just wouldn't blame him anyway He's actually perfectly playing the jerky hot-headed foil to peter parker He's just one of the better parts of the movie when he's not being venom Oh, yeah, I love the bit where he's like jesus will you help me kill peter park? That's definitely one of his best moments. Yeah when we were watching I was like, I don't think that's how jesus works Jesus is one of the people who likes that. He's he's a bit against it. No, you need to read the book of revelations That's that's when he had his eyes. Yeah read read the um Not the sermon on the mount. It's a later one. He did there's uh, it's gonna be a lot of fire and brimstone boys Jesus he's bringing out a sequel to his book. I would say it's the bible too. It's not out of character but for jesus for jesus, but you know, but Normally, maybe jesus was like finally no one's asked me that I just love the idea that he's actually there and he says kill this guy. Jesus is like, do you know anything about me? That was that was back when I was younger. I there was a phase Vision of forgiveness guys. Yeah, I got it all out of my system with the jews We're good now. He's just more straightforward. Just goes no I'm all right, thanks The symbiote he kind of sucks once he turns into venom. He's just I like being bad It makes me happy See that's what I was talking about about the acting but Sorry, I can't I can't watch that not laugh.  I don't like it either It was so good the way it was in the first and second. It was so great It was all all there man.  And that's her um compelling story I think it could be compelling, but they rush it. They're like he has a daughter a daughter over there daughter He's doing if the daughter daughter's lk daughter daughter money money for daughter daughter You're like, okay, okay doing terrible horrible things to random people He's clearly going out of his way to be violent when he doesn't need to and hurt people his whole thing just falls Yeah, I think I think I guess I agree with him. It just needs more work writing wise To make that to make the sandman one way on his own Sandman has a very compelling story and the way he ties back to peter could be interesting if written well Eddie Brock serves as a great foil to peter his narrative opposite He represents something that we haven't seen in these movies yet A person like peter parker except motivated by his own selfishness instead of selflessness I I'm okay with that too. I agree.   Yeah, that's understandable That's the scene. That's the point of the scene Yeah, you know, you're in and clapping and she wants to be cheered for and again Don't want to be defending spider-man 3b.  Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, jealousy is an emotion humans experience it Don't want to add the analysis on here. Have I finished it off with that? No, and for her acting has been established in prior movies as yeah passion. It's what she wants to do Yeah, it's not just out of nowhere She has even lied to him in the past acting as if she has been acting when she really Was this before after his kiss as well, by the way With the other girl I can't remember. He hasn't covered that yet. So Oh, I guess it's before then And then she even has the audacity to get mad. Oh, there you go. Kisses. Oh, yeah, there you go He's gotta be kidding. He's he's gotta be kidding. There's no way if let's do it again. Let's do it again. Just yeah, rewind that I'm pretty sure he's getting their own boyfriend. And then she even has the audacity to get mad when he kisses a random girl That he doesn't know Right in front of her Peter, why did you do that? Yep? Yeah, I completely agree Good, it's a it's a moment in the film where it's just like That to me seems out of character for him, even if he's on an ego trip It's just yeah, especially because they've established so much how much he cares for her you'd think it and he just spoke to it He just spoke to he was like, hey, you're here. Look at me.  Why did he sense a dam? Because that's the joke That's the joke. Oh, okay. He's like Oh, I see. Yeah. Oh gosh darn it. What did you think he was saying? You'll get your rent when you fix this nigger Wow, this is an instant jump Jesus, he didn't say that No, that's what I think is funny though is the peter is peter's version of the most horrible thing you can say is dam Yeah, he said good lord peter He's like, oh drats Or the movie this is everyone's favorite part of the movie everybody universally agrees that this is where the movie Really shines now this movie has a flow much like the others do However, the flow in this movie Is fucking insane They just have each villain getting kicked out of the story to make room for another villain Harry's the bad guy at the beginning of the movie until he gets amnesia Then sandman comes in and he's the villain until peter murders him Then harry decides not to have amnesia anymore and he's the villain again Then peter parker kills harry osborne with a bomb and then venom is the main villain after that This is a mess is bananas. Yeah, I agree. All this is happening in a way we have any villains There's just they threw so much in the first two movies worked so well with a villain And now it's like oh, there's villains everywhere. There's three of them now Also someone said why he's using the cuphead soundtrack. I think the idea is that he's it's like Everything's yeah, it's it's running so fast. It's so goofy Oh snicker knuckle Yeah, I don't disagree with any of those criticisms. I'm on board. Yeah, that's a valid criticism This is happening. We have bad acting She but no, but she's she's acting in the film Wasn't he referring to I think he's referring to him wasn't it her tommy? Well guys acting which yeah It's a bit much for me that seed I feel like he's really trying to be sad to convey sadness Yeah, but again like it's very you know Um, does it pull you out of the scene? Like for me, I was just like focusing on the fact that she's lying Yeah, um It's over.  It's funny. It's pretty rough Hey, oh boy. Yeah, Eddie Brock gets the symbiote and immediately afterwards him and sandman just find each other Wandering the streets, then they steal a taxi kidnap mary jane and build the death trap Wait, did they just randomly find each other? Um, there's dialogue the the sandman said he's been looking for him and the venom's been looking for him They've both been looking for each other to uh sandman thinks he's spider-man.  Okay, and then venom is like I've been looking for you because I want to team up So But this whole this whole series has been like amazing coincidences kind of yeah, so it's a coincidence But that's not I mean that I mean they have a throwaway piece of dialogue to explain why it's just a little bit less than a coincidence It's still a coincidence vibe, which means like it's not ridiculous But again, like who cares compared to the other stuff in this film But you know, yeah, this all happens in the span of like a couple minutes This movie is so sluggishly paced until the point where all this shit has to be shoved in immediately Oh, and then peter goes to harry to recruit him to fight the bad guys But harry is now the phantom of the opera and he's sad and he hides in his castle But then the butler comes out and says that spider-man didn't kill his dad. I did kind of find that kind of funny Yeah, the butler just shows up the butler's like I happen to know something very important Well, the butler was in the last film though. He was in the second one. He wasn't in the first one though Yeah, he was in he was in spider-man 2 But yeah, it's a bit convenient that he left it right to the you know And he's I love by the way. He's in the great the goblin's Hideout right now. Apparently this butler really is the alfred to his got green goblin. He's just like, yeah I gave him to your father's secret evil laboratory to dust It's like it's it's awkward that you're a bad guy, but I mean I'll be your alfred fine I'd prefer it if you were a good guy I noticed a lot of blood on that glider when I cleaned it I just neglected to mention it two years ago. I just assumed you to cut yourself Yeah, he just he just oh someone's saying he was in the first one too We did watch it recently and I don't remember him being the first one. I don't remember being it must have been really I'll check. I am curious really minor butler spider-man Sam Raimi I should have him pop up Oh, maybe I was expecting too much This is no result. Does anyone know his name? Is it butler ex machina? Is it I mean it is it does seem like an ex machina, but it is set up I guess We all know why it's happening is to get him into the fight in it, but yeah Yeah, it's because like what how are we gonna get him into the fight? Well, the butler shows up again. It's a coincidence rather than um Rather than a I mean it's certainly possible I just my issue is like why the hell did you take so long to tell him about this, dude? The butler just walks in to the secret green goblin evil supervillain lair Because this is apparently not a shock at all to him And he's known the whole time And you think you would have saved harry a lot of grief here. Oh, there we go. He's called He's called houseman. Apparently he is in yeah, he sees he's in spider-man one I did not know that built paxton's dad apparently Oh, wow, so according to someone in the chart. Yeah. Yeah, he's got pictures with him. I didn't know that But um, yeah, he's apparently houseman in spider-man one. I guess he just doesn't have any lines in spider-man one That might be the case. I don't know I don't know.  Yeah It's just a bit like my only issue is why the hell did you take so long to tell me, dick? This is one of the useful information two years ago.  Imagine it was the vaporized grenade out of it I know right.  He was a super soldier. It makes sense Yeah, yeah All right. All right Spider-man is innocent I loved your father Why does I have loved you Harry? I'm sorry. Who are you? So I have to agree.  I totally agree. He's like I love you. He's in like one scene in the second film very briefly. I think he says like a line Yeah, he's like I'm leaving for the night or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's it He's like I have loved you both. It's like wait. What who are you? This is a funny moment for the climax of this movie. I found you when you were younger involves around Peter saving Mary Jane Does that sound familiar because it's been the climax in every single one You see what I mean when I say well what I will say is that a lot of people criticize Spider-man homecoming because it doesn't put enough people who Peter loves in danger I believe it's very much a comic thing that she consistently gets in danger. Someone's gonna have to clarify that but um That is the person his love interest the green goblin found out dr octopus found out and of course These guys steal her for that specific reason Like it's easy for the audience to understand and to relate to Like it's easy to understand Spider-man's motivations if he has to save someone he loves and the audience can relate to it So it's you know, it's it's better than just some random stranger Yeah, and and again like they're doing it on purpose. They're trying to bait him out. Yeah So I mean you could argue. Yes, they've done it one too many times, but Who else are they supposed to Do it. I mean they did Aunt May in the second one, didn't they they did. Yes, so they can't do her again She's old She's stuck up the hips for it. Like you gotta let you gotta let Barry jig get captured again Say these movies are all the same. I don't even care It's so funny four out of ten really bad, but I like it any I'm confused He's didn't he say six seven and four, but yet they're all pretty much as good as each other Was that's what he said? Or am I just imagining that he didn't he just said it didn't he six seven and four Just rewind it like ten seconds I'm pretty sure he just says he just said they're all the same I think oh well like just now should I draw it back a bit? I think he did. I think he did just say it.  Who are you? So the climax of this movie revolves around peter saving mary jane Does that sound familiar because it's been the climax in every single one. I guess he's saying that this is the climax in every film I don't think he's saying that But I could just want to say I think uh, I think the butler wanted a climax in this Leave that poor bad alone Harry alone I've been cleaning your boss for you. I don't even care. Very good. He said funny See what I mean when I say these movies are all the same. Uh, what does that mean though? Do we know what that means? So I mean he's saying that because the endings are you know, the same they use this that same device He's using that to make a more general point That they're all kind of the same. I mean, this is the thing Yeah, I guess so for me spider-man 2 and 3 are just leagues apart in terms of their quality I would come in here and dust off your father's Stop it rags Ten really bad, but I like it anyway I don't feel so good Good meme if you ask me all I'm surprised that he didn't go into how Terrible sandman was I don't know. So there's a lot he didn't cover. Well, this is the problem He's he had half the video for one film and then half a video for two films and this is what happens. He doesn't have enough time You know how people say like I go on for too long I would say the reverse for this. He's not gone on long enough Yeah, there's a lot more he could have said or elaborated on I'd much rather you went until you said everything you feel you need to say for your point. Yeah Yes, yeah, I would rather have it elaborated too much than Four out of ten really bad, but I like it anyway Why did my tears not turn me into mud? I don't understand That's actually a good point Because I made a sound I guess Sad DT is that makes sense the glass Honestly do make a pretty decent trilogy people say spider-man 3 is the worst one But if you watch all of them back to back it really doesn't feel that much different from the other We we did that oh my god, we did that They are so different from each other first one's solid second one's great third one's terrible.  It's a quest. This is true I'm flooding youtube with content Nobody will have any time to watch any one creator. What is it 600 hours uploaded every minute? Half of that's yours Yes, that's the that's the the future. We'll that's the goal So yeah, my opinion hasn't really changed I prefer the new movies But at the same time I can still enjoy these movies for what they are because even when they're bad They aren't as bad as the amazing spider-man 2 Even though I've never seen it and I'm never going to see it You guys are never going to get me. I guess he wasn't referring to No, he's done a video of the amazing spider-man one and two. Well, if that was he just said he hasn't seen it I'm assuming he's going to go on to see it from here. No, I think this is a joke Oh, okay, go watch that movie because it's not going to happen in a million years Maybe maybe some other time Bye guys Yeah, it was a joke because he then he then does do a video on the amazing spider-man one and two All right, then we did it. Yeah In less than six hours so Uh got a whole bunch of facts like details wrong to sell scenes to be worse than they were That's probably the biggest criticism I have Completely unfocused.  Was he like I just wanted to just have a bit of fun And it's like okay editing was pretty good. I think Most th