Boom, what's up fam Anthony the dream Johnson here today president of the Mantisphere co-founder of the red man group CEO 21 Studios founder of the 21 convention the 22 convention 21 University the under 21 convention the patriarch convention and 10,000 other things on the internet I keep doing year after year after year Speaking the 21 convention before we get into a show episode 147 of the red man group the cancer of cancelled culture I said that right so many cancers and cancelling all that bullshit We have a sponsor today, which is my company one of them That is the 21 convention being held put on by 21 studios film by 21 studios It's our 15 year anniversary this year of the 21 convention and 21 studios itself And we have three events going on at the same time It's under one giant 21 summit kind of umbrella conference and it's got three conventions inside of it It's got the Patriot convention for fathers the 21 convention legendary event for men And of course the infamous 22 convention to make women great again This one's for fathers, but men can attend as well This one's for men fathers can attend of course and this one here is exclusively for women The guests on today's show will be at the events Depending on which conference you're going to and here on the left you see Michael Foster He's on today's show in a minute Elliot Hall is here on the right Tickets are right here going up in a few days lots of speakers lots of cool stuff Check it out. We are rebuilding the patriarchy here at the Patriot convention At the 21 convention main event you see Richard Granin there and Jack Donovan on the right ticket prices are also going up soon And we have some amazing speakers with that including John Anthony and Alex from playing with fire we're also on today's show and Michael Foster and Jesse Lee Peterson and Richard Granin Ian Smith Jack Donovan coach Greg Adams Ivan Throne Jay Vincent John some as Pat Stebbin Steve Brulé Dr. Sean T Smith AJ Cortez Socrates Steve the Dean Williams Arthur Kwan Lee Will Spencer it actually gets bigger and bigger and bigger. It's pretty amazing And of course if you were a lady watching this event or the show today, you're probably not but you might be We have the 22 convention also at the event and that's exclusively for the women the females You need to have two ex-chromos owns to attend this conference And I'll be speaking there along with Michael Foster. He's my personal favorite this year. He's like my homie Janice Fee mango Lots of speakers here Jay Vincent Melissa Isaac. She's actually an attorney and she's pretty awesome pretty savage No, Revoi Pat Stedman Jennifer Moleski. You guys probably know her Ken Curry. He's a licensed marriage and therapy therapist very badass, dude AJ Cortez aka Chad Zilla Socrates and all that Anyway, it's gonna be amazing 15 year anniversary 21 summit get your tickets now at the 21 convention or g links in the description and you can also buy tickets through speakers and They hook you up with tickets as well links and all that Anyway, without further ado and commercial break and welcome to the show. Mr. Michael Foster Mr. John Anthony Pulse in here. Oh, there he is and Alex from playing with fire. What's up boys boy up? What's going on? Also, can I go to 22 convention if I identify as a woman? You cannot you will not be I mean, I might let you in for a few minutes But yeah, you cannot cannot have a white chromosome. Yikes I don't even believe in the two-gender system. It's a pretty good classical system of understanding human beings I like it a lot.  We don't know a female We don't know a lot of females to roam around aimlessly. Of course, they got to be chaperoned and taken care of by men Anyway, how you guys been let's check in here. I've been talked to you guys in a little while. What's new in life? What's new and work? What's going on? Yeah, how much I just got I guess this is the topic of discussion. I got my Instagram temporary cancelled I'm hoping to get it back soon result of a little Internet feud I got to with a certain feminist Okay, so yeah, we can dive into that. That's been a whole thing Other than that, not much has been growing focusing on the channel putting out content The tiktok hit 50k.  He told me about that There's your channel 66,000 subs man good stuff Growing one one so that a time. Yeah, man John, what's new with you man? Good, I announced that I'm suing modern life dating can't discuss it, but Put a little video out on that right people can learn the basics about it Yeah, I just read the the civil complaint that I filed in Florida. Okay. Nice, man.  It's a good thing And Michael, how you doing man? How's the baby does life been up there in Ohio? It's busy busy. I just We got my books Done it's with the publisher so they're doing all the typesetting and and getting ready for the marketing of the book and then I have to They asked me to do the audio audible version so I have to do that I've never done that before and that's gonna take like 15 hours. That's good The church continues to grow. So we're just trying to like about seven months old and 175 people, you know, zero to 175. It's average church in America's like 75 people So it's a it's grew faster than we were prepared for so working a lot of long days right now, you know, and I work in the electrical industry And I work a lot with Bitcoin miners and that's that's been a little bonkers because it's blowing up right now and it's keeping me busy So exciting times great times, but glad to be out of the city Glad to be on a farm right now. Glad to have three deep freezes full of meat Several guns. So yeah, yeah a lot of children stuff to That's right to point them. Yeah, that's right.  Basically in a farm. You said I do. Yeah I live right in Hyde Park Cincinnati for a while right off Hyde Park Square, which is a really kind of Yuppie uppity part of the town very expensive my father-in-law had a house there that we were staying in while we're trying to find the farm and so We went from there to 30 miles outside of the metro area and It's great. We love it. We love it too. I grew up in small town America not far from actually where John Mellon camp is So that a small town song of his always resonates But yeah, it's good to be back out here. I think this is the future for a while I think people I think a lot of people will flee the cities and it's kind of been a weird thing this happened as as All the rich white folk move into the city. They push the poor people out into the suburbs So the edge of the suburbs became slump slumber be a right And so now you've kind of got these different rings that have formed around a city in the core of the city It's it's upscale a lot of money Though that has been impacted by the pandemic from what I understand 40% of Restaurants have closed in NYC probably never gonna open again But then you go right outside used to be kind of the the nice suburbs But they're they're kind of running down. They kind of gone the way of malls, you know I think some of you guys are old enough to remember in malls We're like cool and booming and now they're all abandoned. Well, that's happening to the suburbs So I think people are recognizing That you can get to these small satellite towns that are close to a thriving economy with a airport and a good Highway system and you can get the economy, but also have some shielding from The crime the black lives matters March We had a black lives matters March come right through our front front door or right right in front of it And my one son Athanasius grabbed a shotgun and then the other one was calling the police officers And I was like whoa first off. Those are two different types of responses Yeah, but I was like, no, let's not shoot them and don't call the police. It's gonna be okay So we don't have that anymore. We just got a lot of combines and yeah things like that pass them So that's good. What's interesting to me is that Elliot Hulls did the same thing almost at the same time That's coincidental.  He has a cell By the state of Florida he said if he doesn't sell something from his farm like anything He's he helped to pay $25,000 extra a year in property tax extra never mind like whatever the regular rates are it's crazy Yeah, we've got chickens the rabbits come in a couple weeks and the pigs come next spring. So nice Working out with like farm animals Yeah, he bought it as well for his business he can run like workshops that his house his property is so massive Dude, he has a house. He has a barn and then like a third building and then a lake and like he has so much space He can run his grounding camps or whatever program he cooks up next He kind of runs like 21 conventions, but they're always like much more outdoors focused If that makes sense Yeah, it's pretty cool. I went to one of them up in New York actually before, you know, the world ended last year I know it's pretty cool. It was it was uh different than 21 obviously much more like physical and stuff like lifting rocks and fighting and shit and like active meditation But it was a very similar vibe a lot of the same dudes a lot of attendees from 21 convention were there actually Which was kind of surprising and stuff But yeah, but yeah, elliot moved to the middle of nowhere not just for the business but because he thinks like You know shits gonna hit the fan in this country at some point soon and I think a lot of people think that they're analyzing, you know Politics and covet and all these lockdowns all this all this insane orwellian crap that we're dealing with now at light speed So kudos man. I hope you did the same thing and probably moving or elliot actually next year I do gotta say different strokes for different pokes because I could never imagine living in the country Like I live in the center of Miami and I'm like really happy. I've lived in the city for like, you know as long as Pretty much. I've been an adult I just personally cannot imagine that but you know like different different strokes for different pokes Yeah, and we'll see how things develop.   Yeah, that's Nelly one Uh, yeah, basically what happened was I had this girl on for a podcast. It was very respectful You know, we uh disagreed on some things Uh, she believes that a man should have to pay for a drink on the first date and if he doesn't then He is less of a man I'll be the argument that I personally always, you know buy the first round on the date and I have no problem Paying but I don't think a man should be stigmatized if he feels the need to split the bill and you know We had a amicable debate about it and then at the end I told my followers to you know Check out her channel to support her blah blah blah and I feel those end of it And then over the next few days to start getting a lot of nasty messages.  Oh, yeah mom Like guess what? I think that you know a man should not be shamed for not being treated like an etm You're sure does she identify as a feminist too? Like did you know that? I severely doubt she does. I didn't ask her that question But I would bet any amount of money that she doesn't Okay, um damn. Look at this dude. She's gone man. This page is not available. Oh, yeah Well, hopefully hopefully we get it back. I made a very strong repeal and I'm gonna keep like trying to get it back but um Yeah, so then you know getting very nasty messages. My girls start getting nasty messages Which you know, it's ironic because they're all about like girl power But like messaging my girl who's not involved in this at all Tell her that she is over it. This is all over a drink. But who paid for it? Yeah, that was over like basically there was over the debate. Yeah. Wow. Yeah And so then I discovered that she was actually just going after me on her stories Uh, and I didn't know about this because she had blocked me from seeing her stories So I didn't see it on my end.  That's not your responsibility.  She didn't really, you know, like it. She was very uncomfortable when reality right after the podcast She texted me. Thank you for having me on. What's the link so I can share? Yeah, she doesn't look like she's being forced to remotely appear on a podcast at all Like she's just sitting here.  Yeah, I might have said that I don't I don't I don't want to insult her personally because that they're they're just going to take that argument and they just Did my instagram was everything else? I say just so I want to keep this very like Factual just in regards to this. Well, what do you think her motivations were do you have any? Oh, I have a good idea So what I I'm confident that this is what happened. So initially so I think this woman She's she's like most, you know, youtubers marketers, whatever. She's primarily more, you know, money marketing focus, right? That's very common and so I think initially she had no problem with the podcast She's like, okay.  Are you kidding me? It's radically different than her What is she? What does she scar it sounds like scar phase or something? What is this? Yeah, this is not yeah, honestly a lot of advice she gives is pretty toxic Like she they accuse me of having toxic advice But a lot of like, you know the stuff that she recommends like playing power games and like all this weird shit Oh, no doubt. Yeah, that's true.  So I was posting Receipts on every close. I had like 300 girls in a row posted with their faces blurred after like hookup situations and I was at a conference in Poland. I was talking to like 300 guys And I was bashing on rsc tyler like I like to do so often And right after I had ripped him apart. I was like by the way guys make sure you subscribe to my instagram And there a lot of the audience was rsc tyler fans These people these people get like uh, call followings and the instagram went down during the talk People just mass reported it during the talk Like literally literally towards the end of the talk people like this page doesn't exist And I was like great So and they did the same shit to my uh, my old facebook group that had tons of value Basically, I put out a whole post ripping on all the rsc guys and then shortly after the group was gone So Let's talk about that because that's a big deal for you. That was a major part of your business How many how many thousands of members were in the facebook group because I was in that group too a long time ago Back in like 15 or 16 or something. It was only it was only like three or four k most of these groups only It's like three or four k but it's still Decent for a facebook group is extremely active and I used to post a ton and put tons of value Post out there and it's very demoralizing when you look because it's just it just goes poof overnight Yeah, and then and the same with alex he puts out a lot of good value stuff too So when you when you're actually a legit business, uh in this space putting out really good value And then someone just comes in and nukes at all That can be pretty frustrating.  Michael. Let's talk about your experience with council culture You've had feminists come after you for posts about single moms tweets and stuff They try to get you fired from your date your nine to five Yeah, those was your experience there Yeah, well, I mean I get death threats all the time. I get people sending messages to my wife Saying hey, look, we know you're stuck in an oppressive patriarchal marriage will help you You know will help you get to a safe place and my wife like always messages back lol Like, you know, we're happy. We have a wonderful marriage, you know and It annoys her she gets you know, uh Women are meaner than men You know, so my look don't don't go after them hard. It's not worth it. But yeah, they um, I have to be really careful When what sort of pictures of my house I can post and things like that, you know, I mean just to make it hard It's not that I can you know, anyone can kind of be found Just if you have profile online eventually people were able to connect some dots I mean you remember when Shia LaBeouf was trying to hide that stuff From a fortune and they're like tracking like plain. Oh, yeah. It was hilarious and as it shows you like people Uh are motivated. I mean and you have enough footprint. They can find you but no need to make it easy, right? I know no need to Uh leave the door open at night, right? So, uh, so we've had to take a lot of precautions with that with where we live And um and people send a lot of nasty messages to the church facebook page or the email which I just have routed to my email Anyway, I'll be like, well, we'll talk to them about that. We agree.  It's just it's not the same thing as marrying someone That doesn't have a kid, right? It means you're you're entering into a relationship not just with the woman But with the kid and the kid's father as well To some extent and so you need to be very thoughtful about getting in that And also you have to ask like she'll always prioritize that kid to some degree more than you She's a woman. It's natural for her to protect her children. That's what they do Um, and so you have to count the costs and a lot of guys kind of come in as these white knights trying to save Save the situation and Michael if I can interrupt you, is it true that a lot of churches Encourage men and their thirties and forties to marry single moms Other people like coach greg Adams would say this. Yeah They absolutely do what happens is so it's kind of a it's a visit cycle So the fact is that most evangelical christian men are are this effeminate and weak, right? So these girls Are actually willing to marry I think early on And but the guys that they have in the church to pick from The god dates with them these guys are nice guys kind of weak guys and it drives it drives the women Away, right? so the women like they they turn back and get into their career a little bit more and then You know hormones start really raging mid to late 20s and then they'll they'll go outside of the church And they'll end up hooking up with non-christian guys, right? kind of alpha chat whatever you want to call them and Then they'll feel guilty as they should but then they They'll get pregnant and the guy, you know, they try to Get their hooks into the guy, but that's not what he was into That's not what he was about And then they end up back in the church now and then they finally settle on a nice guy and it's very It's a very difficult marriage, right? And so there's a lot of things going wrong there Like guys like hate on women for that at the same time like they're looking for a strong masculine man They're having a hard time finding them in the church. So you understand what she wants. It's like Like why do you think the guys in the church are weak and effeminate? Um, there is a lot of factors to it some of them going all the way back to the 12th century uh, but the easiest way to get to it is that During the romantic period There was this idea that women were somehow more clean and angelic than men were like you So you go before the romantic periods of 1600s and back You're never going to see women as angels like depicted opinions Angels are men. They're masculine. They kill things, right? They're monsters with tons of eyes scary, right? And so this idea is women as these like angelic perfect They sin less and then the feminine becomes associated With jesus, right or holy living to be holy is to be more like women because women are more pure So then these guys are coming to church and they're being told to um To feel ashamed for having ambition and drive and aggression and all these things They're just natural desires that they could be bad. They could be evil But they also if you point them in the right direction I mean the only thing that protects the society from dangerous men is dangerous men You know like you you want guys to build great things Well, don't tell them to to douse their ambition But do it for a godly worthwhile cause and aim it So they're making men feel ashamed of their masculine desires or because they don't want to open up Like I always tell people that men's ministries and churches women's ministries with bacon.  And like I don't really want to talk about my feelings man Like guys do want to talk about their feelings, but they talk about it as their life working As their ability and something on their project like hey, I'm trying to figure out what's going on with my relationship Or but thinking about my dad's about to die. We got some unresolved stuff that stuff comes out While you're doing stuff together with men not not in a circle kumbaya sharing stuff like that's how women talk So what's happened is the church is raised women up as if they're more holy than men and they're not women do terrible stuff Right and that's where you get this with these guys these sort of white night guys That get red pilled and they start to realize like whoa women Do some nutty stuff right like the reason she dropped the 30 pounds If she's generated divorce you right you see that anytime I see anyone Any guy or woman go through a massive transformation and their spouse doesn't follow them Like soon like my eyes on them as a pastor like hey, so how's the marriage going? You know, oh everything's great and then of course, you know Because women in particular prep they prep for divorce in a way that a lot of guys don't So I think there's just a lot of ideas about women being more holy and then to be spiritual is the kind of Take on this feminine posture Femininity is wonderful and a woman repulsive than a man. So to say a man's being effeminate isn't to degrade Women it's to say that men should act like men Feminacy is it's it's gross. It's a it's a cat that barks a dog that meows It's nature twisted it's repulsive right and so the church has become like that And now the church is androgynous where it really thinks that men and women Are interchangeable and one reason you have such so many sexless marriages In in Christianity is the very thing that drives arousal and an attraction is sexual differences right women like masculine men no matter what they say right they like masculine men And they're they're looking for them and men like feminine women, but men are are much more willing To settle down than women are because men want to get to it They want to build a household. They want to get things done And so guys have much more flexible beauty standards than than most women do especially today where they've been poisoned by social media Women have been fed like an endless stream of propaganda to never settle never settle never settle And men don't get that at all right men get the opposite, you know why that's right What was it man up and marry that slut all that stuff, you know, you know, it's interesting I was raised like hardcore hardcore hardcore catholic like no swearing you wait till marriage to have sex You know, my parents never like drank or did drugs or anything They waited till marriage to have sex and I was that super nice guy And I discovered a lot of Nietzsche in college and his big criticism with with Christianity was the whole master's slave morality and how a lot of things in Christianity are Like to be meek and and and powerless and all this stuff is considered like a virtue And Nietzsche said that's all backwards And I think that's part of the problem too is these men are are kind of taught to like, you know Not not be out of the sense not not stand up for themselves, etc Um, you know turn the other cheek all these kinds of like weak behaviors And all that's kind of like pussy repellent They also don't even understand what a lot of like when Jesus has turned the other cheek It's an idiom Right that means when someone insults you roll with it and that's actually frame Right when people try to like Get you into throwing insults back and forth That's kind of feminine stuff. You get suckered into that really easy. There's a time to like stand your ground, right?  So when Jesus today and turned the other cheek, he's not saying Take a butt weapon. He's saying like don't get suckered into all that stuff And so a lot of them even understand the greek the hebrew they don't understand it in context You know Nietzsche's problem was his dad was a christian his dad was very very weak I think Nietzsche was dealing with father issues and I think his desire for the uber mensch the uber man was him trying to work out like I don't want to be like a weak person like my father was and he associated it with the christianity of that time And you get that right And so much of our life is either trying to be like our dad Or trying not to be like our dad and we can get in these reactionary modes and you just watch this work out right now The whole hemisphere is full of a bunch of guys They're like give me a father. Give me someone I can copy a model and they're being given like these really pathetic weak examples and guys That just keep them in ditches man. Keep them in ditches like good red pills like semester. It's not it's not a degree There's some clients I have that like They don't even really want coaching advice. They just want me to be like a father figure to them for an hour Have you picked up on that john like just guys like they don't really even have that many questions They just want like Uh, you would be like a father for like an hour or a psychologist But no, I mean, yeah a lot of guys want to like fit in and stuff too What I've realized over like a decade of coaching these guys is like Yeah, they want to get better with girls, but they also want other men to respect them They want to have like they want to fit in they want to be like part of the in-crowd They don't want to be like watching on the sidelines Of all these other I pulled up a few examples for you guys by the way here A new artwork came out from our artists yesterday. I thought it was super There's rollo rollo mcdonald there So I was talking to bobby dina the other night Oh, cool. Yeah, and You know bobby was doing some consultant coaching sort of stuff, right? And I I briefly did that before I got back into the ministry Now if you if you want coaching just come to my church. Otherwise, I don't have time for it but um, and that's free by the way, but uh The problem is With a lot of these coaching relationships Is all the guys want to I think it was you that said this john anthony is that they really just want your affirmation And it's weird. They'll ask you like here's what I did and when you criticize it They get really defensive, right? And you're like look man. I'm a coach. I'm here. I'm like, but they just want you to say I'm a I'm a good boy, right?  I'm not a therapist I'm not into these long never-ending Relationships, you know, you want to step in and help them a couple hours and point them in the right direction But they don't really need a strategy as much as they need It's like a therapist It's like and there's some guys in the manager That are cool with doing that because they want to profit off them forever and ever and ever and keeping them in that sort of relationship Is very profitable to them.  But I looked into more to the day on his instagram because he's buying subscribers He gained like 400 000 followers on instagram in like a day So obviously it's fake and you can see that you can see the spikes. It's absurd, right?  You never get anywhere Apparently he even designs his courses to keep guys confused Like basically to confuse them so they he confuses them to create new problems to solve them Yeah, I interviewed the guy that they created his courses and he said and we gotta be careful here because he's he's Taking on lawsuits against people that talk shit um So without slandering and this came directly from the the mouth of the creators of his course They said that he gave the directive to purposely overwhelm and confuse and then the homework and the different assignments Are meant to just create problems that didn't exist that the upsells will solve In the live trainings in the in the clubs where there's like 40 guys trying to learn dating training The coaches are just sales guys who are just telling them Okay, like on this program we'll get you over some approaching stuff You're gonna need like two more programs to really solve the problem So the whole point of the program isn't to teach them anything it's to sell two more programs And he told the guys there's like Five different 5k programs in a 25k year long program So they're just trying to extract 50k out of each guy Yep, and that's that's the whole goal and then they're signing them up for for credit cards and Loans that they know they can't afford getting them to max out all those offers And a lot of guys have been reporting. They're having actual mental breakdowns This is actually really common too in the poa industry. I knew I knew guys back in like 2013 2014 Their sales guys were specifically even told me they would like you're saying get credit cards and loans out of these guys Like actually on the phone walk them through. It's like getting a new credit card or something to pay for Lending, you know, it's sick. It's insane. Like I was like, whoa These are these are guys that are that are like impressionable and in In need of help And they're just being exploited on a massive scale Yep, yep I mean the whole goal of doing things is to feel good and to feel happy.   It's just total nonsense like well and to get to the subject of the show so I don't want to Not allow that guy to have a platform I just wanted to know the truth The issue is there's a difference. It's like let the truth Let's just tell people what's really going on here. The problem Isn't uh to de-platform these guys like the the truth should de-platform it You know what I mean and the the reality though is in a cancel culture What they don't want to get out is the truth. That's right. And what we like that now these guys This is a this is a legit griff. There's there's there's actual coaching that brings value that helps people get somewhere That you know a labor is worthy of his wages the stuff you're doing, you know But and then there's other stuff where no, this is not what you were sold. It was it was Deceptive and Actually, no, they're messing with you and so the goal is not to when you're criticizing an opponent or whatever the goal is to criticize their claims Uh, their character if their character is related to it people will say ad hominem is a fallacy Ad hominem is only a logical fallacy Where you if someone like for example, if uh, david Or what's the what's the cannibal guy remember the cannibal serial killer that died? Uh, I can't think it was they on jeffrey dommer or something if jeffrey dommer says Uh, it's wrong to steal You you can't say well, it's that's not true. You eat people, right? That's ad hominem, right? Like just because a cannibal says it's that but if you if someone's making a claim like oh, you can trust me When you say well, actually you've screwed over five or six people. Oh, that's ad hominem. Well Trust is the issue here, right? Like trust character is the issue So ad hominem is only when you're trying to like disprove a logical proposition If if someone's character is tied to the issue Then it's very much at the front and so when we're talking about we're trying to actually bring up the argument And show that this is not true. This isn't conducive to to a good life It doesn't uh comport to reality It's incoherent your character. You're saying that people can buy these things from you But actually you have a long history of fraudulent behavior and therefore that's relevant because this people asking to trust you That's not cancel culture. That's um, that's truth culture You know let the truth come out, right? But cancel culture is where you see if the truth shall kill them let them die Apparently this is not from a manual con a philosopher I think it's apparently it's from iron ran Quoting paraphrasing or trying to criticize a manual con although she would definitely support this I mean, this this is a very randy and quote. That's the first thing I thought when I when I read it So Be a start interrupt, but yeah, totally true culture. I love that truth culture is good We need to get and so cancel culture is where you try to silence someone from making an argument or defending the argument Or explaining the argument. It is a feminine disposition. It's a form of feminine bullying Right. So the way women So what a woman will do so so you ask how I've dealt with this in a church So with a woman Women are meaner than men us guys like I don't have how many times have you got an actual physical altercation with a deep a good guy friend and after Are totally friends like minutes after me me me and two of my friends we got in a big fight one night It was like a play fight and it just got out of control and we all three ended up in the hospital So I got my throat cut open and when they did that So I kicked the other guy in his balls as hard as I could because like, you know, don't cut my throat open And then what and then one bit me down to beat my arm. So my arm was in a sling But we we went to the hospital when we came back and we all had a beer together afterwards. It was back in high school and that's once women Yeah, I learned this I learned this about women when uh, we were Trying to settle on a girl name for our daughters And I was like, what do you think about ashley or this thing and I was like, no I don't like that name because there was this girl that I didn't like in school I don't remember you having a problem with the girl.  Yes, they do women hold grudges Women when they get in fights they fight to destroy In the way they do it is destroying some of this reputation, right They'll say look I heard that she was sleeping around with all these guys doesn't even matter if it's true Right, they'll just say that they'll just spread gossip and slander Well, that's very similar in cancel culture. So the other day this woman said that I had gotten I left my former denomination to join a new one because I was fleeing discipline In other words, I was about to be ex-communicator or something, right? And I was like, where'd you hear that from because here's my letter of transfer where they said, hey, we love you Thanks for being part of it. Did good job, you know, and so this it totally just disproves this not true She was making it up and so this is a way that women deal with things they destroy someone's reputation and Based on on lies and slander. So that's cancer culture or cancel cancer culture. That's right But cancel culture is the same thing. It's an attack on someone's reputation. It's not dealing with truth It's not dealing with actual truth claims or or character claims that related to those truth claims. It's simply I don't like how you make me feel. I think you're a bad person like for example I've got a lot of people coming after me Trying to say that I'm into bdsm because I spoke at 21 And Tex Tex was there, you know I speak on this, yeah Why would that even be bad? Oh, well, I'm not but the thing is it's neither here nor there The thing is just because you stand on a stage with somebody, you know tanner guzzies, uh Mormon. I'm not There's atheist agnostics there. There's I'm not a fitness coach You know like just because I'm on a stage with a fitness. It doesn't mean, you know, I mean and so it's guilt by association And this is this is all case. Oh, well, I heard that guy once went to this place It doesn't matter if it's true or not. So the point is With it it has nothing to do with truth It is a way to destroy someone's reputation guilt by association Any window slander gossip half truth, right? This is that that's at the heart of it And that's when we're trying to take on grifters or expose false teachers Uh, we're trying to get more information out there and have the conversation as opposed to Trunkate the information and bring the conversation to a sudden end Yeah, no, I mean, I think anytime you have to silence someone you're in the wrong I think cancel culture is really about protecting yourself from uh experiencing Um Inner self-reflection like you don't want to you don't want to hear things that make you question your assumptions So you're gonna cancel them.   I really love that that concept of the truth culture It's a counter to cancel culture. We need a truth culture.  What was amazing about it? It was it had really great production Yeah, it really did And then I was like is this guy for real and he's in that frame himself as a supreme leader like kim jong-un That guy's really disturbed. He's like definitely a child stalker and definitely some hints of Potential pedophilia in the future and says stuff pat stephen told me that there's an old blog post I'm trying to find it Where mld hogwood The pigwood he actually was talking about how hot his mom was and it was very like incest kind of focused stuff It was weird Yeah, this is back not that long ago like 2016 or something like that He took it down years ago.  So I'm not saying he's like bang his mom or anything.   It's a strange guy. No doubt Yeah Anyway, I want to get into actually talking about myself here and might get my uh my darts as mom So I was for the first time in my life. I was removed from a large conference of over a thousand people Uh, that was supposed to be for libertarians and conservatives and stuff And it was supposed to be to actually ron paul one of my one of my heroes I think one of the greatest americans to live in recent history by far He's ron paul fan. He's a congressman for over like 30 years Son, of course sitting you as senator Ran paul out of kentucky Ron paul ran for president 1980 and under the libertarian party Really bad as stuff. I mean there's commercials of ron paul in 1988 promoting automatic weapons. We need to abolish the atf Like really cool. Shit. That's very much in line with what I believe about The founding fathers and politics and stuff for like real freedom and then he ran again in 2008 2012 kind of trump style campaign You know break the establishment all that and he didn't win on like trump But he did good promoting good ideas. I love ron paul And anyway, this this organization called young americans for liberty It was actually started in 2008 as students for ron paul And as time went on they eventually organized it into a nonprofit 501c3 whatever the fuck And they called it young americans for liberty and in many ways they're associated with ron paul They carry on in his name ron paul is the headline speaker today I think in orlanda florida about 40 minutes from here right now at this event And so I bought a ticket to this event and everything was fine. I bought it in like may And I applied for a press pass but they never got back to me which is common with events as big You have all kinds of people, you know, it's just crazy that many attendees, right?  I've got a I've got a similar story that turned out I don't want to cut you off, but I Let me let me finish the story of this to get this better So I got kicked out of this This is an event that's supposed to be a like very much for american values american freedom constitutional rights free speech Uh ron paul is one of the original, you know victims so to speak of cancel culture In 2008 in 2012 the media went after him with the same intensity that you see them go after someone like trump Uh and try to cancel them trying to blacklist them from even running for president Even though he was a medical doctor an air force veteran sitting congressman For like decades and decades, right had a real hardcore grassroots following real enthusiasm and momentum Even his competitors like met romney would comment publicly like His supporters were so strong like trump like he had a real hardcore fan following guys like me that supported them Anyway, I've been a fan around paul since like way back in the day and he kicked out of an event Where I should have been given a press pass really my friend's got a press pass to it that I go to these events with I get a press pass myself like cnn the same kind of media pass when I got a c-pack other major events And these fucking people and so I think what happened was basically someone's girlfriend Discovered that I was attending this event through the press pass application or who knows what And they actually went so far as then I just denied that they revoked my fucking ticket and didn't even tell me So I went to the event I checked in everything's fine But they don't have a name badge because they revoked my ticket This chick tech checks me in I'm there for like two hours and they eventually ended up kicking me out And I'm just kind of shocked man. Like it really uh to be canceled by this was just so nuts, dude There's a little more to actually want to pull up for you guys What was the kick out process like like what did they say to you? It was this long it took like It was weird So it took over 30 minutes I would say because like I was there and I checked in like anyone else But it was weird because they didn't have a name badge and the chick was confused She's like I don't know why you don't have a name badge printed And I'm like, yeah, I don't know either. I just I just got here and I bought my ticket in May Here's my receipt. She's like, yeah, you're on the list Anyway, they basically this little weirdo. Let me pull him up this little beta male weirdo I got bad vibes from him the more that he this guy Daniel Taylor vice president of campus.   So I don't know how to explain this exactly Basically this dude kept watching the chick trying to find my name badge because security found me too inside eventually without a name badge After I was there for like almost two hours And this dude's like, hey, why don't you have a name badge? I'm like, oh the chick of the front said it wasn't printed I could get it later. It's not a big deal Is it let's go talk to them. I'm like, all right. This is some security guy just doing his job, right?  We're going to print them one later Anyway, this little dork ends up finding me He gets like more involved and he has like a higher level position than the registration chick and he basically I don't know I got a bad vibe out of him and he's like, hey, like what's your name? Like Anthony Johnson, you know, I'm here. I applied for a press pass, but I bought a regular ticket as well And I could see him typing stuff up in his laptop and he's like looking and looking And then he closes his laptop. He's like, hey, let me go see if I can print one out for you in the back And I'll come find you and stuff You know, it felt kind of weird, but I was like, well whatever like at this point. I'm like not thinking too much about it I'm like, I have a ticket to this event. I'm not bothering anyone just walking around like anyone else enjoying this event Anyway, this dude comes outside later.   It's pretty nice and this kid kid comes uh, he basically walks up to me pretty fast And I hadn't seen him at that point like a half hour and I figured I'd just get my ticket or my main badge like on Friday morning, right And so he's like, hey man, we can get your name badge printed. I figured it all out I'm like, oh cool. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna miss my ice cream now. I'm like, whatever He's like, yeah, let's go get it. I'm like, okay, cool. All right, it's getting late anyway So this dude just bullshits me to my face, right?   You just ice cream blocked me, sir.  I didn't have dinner yet at that point.   He's like, well, I didn't want to cause a scene I'm like, okay. I'm like, see you revoked my ticket. What are you talking about?  Like, hey, the event's coming up soon, right? I have a ticket. I run events. I know how crazy you can get so I didn't really care But it actually lined up with what he said. He's like, yeah, they revoked your ticket. It was revoked a while ago You know, your online brand has fit our event.  I get media passes and, you know, special treatment when I go to other events like turning point CPAC They don't have a problem with me and I was like, I've been a Ron Paul fan for 10 years I've been to plenty of campaign for Liberty events. They don't bother me And he just kept going and going then he tried to like shake my hands again Man, you just got to go. We can give you a refund.   I was like, I want that fucking ice cream I didn't know I'm actually getting kind of leaving so I went up to go talk to him again It's kind of the same conversation But I wanted someone there to witness more closely like what this guy was saying I normally would do that's the thing is I normally have a camera at these events I film like trailers and interviews that could have been like a viral video right there Yeah, and I've thought about going back even today.       And these people are canceling, you know supporters and stuff.   They don't like people who criticize feminism They kick them out of their event.    They just they say, oh don't coach with him He's a rapist. It's completely fabricated complete slander Again, never even been accused or charged With me with me. I don't even think they have a leg of stand on like I get that my brand on the internet personally is a little edgy But mostly it's the only thing they could complain about is like i'm opposed to feminism I mean if you did a search in anthony johnson, you would just find a lot of make women great against stuff Like the most controversial things i've done are what you know positive stuff for men making women great again and marrying a hooker It's probably it's probably your memes. I would say that's the most controversial is like you're uh, which again, you're protected because it's humor, right? I agree with you. Oh, this is a sharp mama and people like that I don't think it was that though. I mean this guy they kicked me out a while ago Obviously and that's I think he I don't think like I was bullshitting on that.  That's what jack donovan said about it on instagram libertarians attract A lot of kind of beta male gamma male types because It's it's a way to be above it above democrat or republican, you know It's a way to always like strike this middle Position to be above the fray not get into conflict and fights And that's what i've noticed as i've met these guys in real life. Um that they're not You know think of think of the most masculine libertarians you can't Like it's a it's a short list.  You know that guy's got He's got real masculine energy about him not macho or anything But but still like the guy's just like he's got a path. He's on it. He's gonna do it Not gonna stop him. It's hard to find that sort of stuff in um, probably, you know, ran paul did a pretty good job there for a time I think he was trying to like uh Create a cross section of libertarianism and republicanism, which I thought was smart, but for he fell apart Into 2016 election big time, you know one of the few guys that ever give him money to I voted for Ron paul both in 2008 and two or in 2012 in my state said to vote for Chuck Baldwin, so I voted that way but um, But nonetheless, uh, I think a lot of these guys are very weak nice guy Beta male gamma male like every time I'm with a libertarian They want to talk to me about the the beauty of privatized roads and I'm like, man, you guys are such losers Yeah, but what the crap do I care about privatized roads? You understand where we're at as a society right now? Like we're so far away from privatized roads and parking lots like And so they they live in this sort of, um This pristine little Virtual place in their head and they don't get anything done You know what I mean, and that's probably the best criticism of Ron paul Is if you're gonna go in and I love Ron paul like but in terms of the things he actually accomplished He mostly just held back in sanity. I'm as best as he could But I think that that's it's not surprising to me that they wouldn't want someone like you there Because they don't want real conflict. They want fake conflict. They want conflict that can be managed and controlled That's what cancel culture is about so people People that stomp out Well, so this was something I've learned There's two types of men that hate conflict. There's those that will avoid it. Just never get into it passive roll over Then there's guys that we think actually like Conflict because they'll get real intense real quick But what it is is they're scared of it So they try to stomp it out as quick as they can like a fire And there's those of us that can live in these really tense relationships Right. It's like me Me with some of you guys like if we have a conversation We're gonna disagree on some issues very deeply and I got the sense that a lot either of us are gonna back down, right? Um But like guys have to learn if they're gonna have any ability to build something bigger than themselves to live in that tension And these sort of people they don't they don't they they they come from homes that were dominated by feminine energy Which is a sickle coal goes up and down gets a little chaotic And so what they want is they really want to be able to control things And so it's not surprised to me that libertarians would draw in those sort of guys that can live in a virtual World where the conflict is frictionless because it's it's not real Well, that makes sense this for sure and that that's what you see with it The girls who accused this leader of young americans for liberty who left us a few months ago They had text messages. They had they had receipts, man. This wasn't just like random accusations This guy was trying to as I understand it based on the reason article and fox news and stuff He was trying to manipulate his girls to bang them using his position at yow to give to bring them up the ranks Harvey Weinstein style and that's what I see now.  How old is that kid? I don't know in his 20s or something. He'd probably 24 or 5.   It's not like alpha guys They don't I'm saying I exactly and I think that's I think basically the anti-feminism stuff that I do is what upset them Like if they found my twitter bio, it says pro patriarchy anti-feminist And that should be very welcome theoretically in any kind of libertarian, you know circle right by a long shot I think, you know, at least old school I agree with that. I mean Experience you had I would think also that the libertarians would be all about that like I would generally speaking consider myself Like I don't really get too deep into politics So if I had to pick a party I would say libertarian I just believe people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people But the the party in america though. So here's what michael foster I think was getting at So I I haven't paid attention to libertarian party in a couple years. Yeah, I do I used to I used to call myself libertarian years ago But ron paul and in part was responsible for that although I ran my other favorite foster was very, uh She hated libertarians like straight up. I mean she really really hated them She considered them basically intellectual frauds and kind of cowards And she actually accused them of stealing Even when she was alive a lot of her ideas and divorcing them from their deeper roots and philosophy I think she's right the non-aggression principle that libertarians rail about is a perfect illustration of that Uh, but anyway, yeah, these people man.  You would think at least openly, right?  You're right, but the guy isn't he did a He's he's I called him a refounding father.   It's just shocking to me. I really really didn't expect it You know turning point usa or some other like generic republican event. Maybe. Oh, you're too hardcore or whatever, right?  It's kind of a little bit of a side tangent But since we're on this topic so growing up like, you know when I was 18 20 I would always kind of identify as a democrat right because i'm pro environment and all that But now like, you know as because the political parties have changed in the last 10 years, you know drastically And so I got to a point like okay like I am pro, you know protecting the environment I'm pro not privatizing certain industries like the prison industry or you know, uh health industry, right? But at the same time I'm pro free speech. I'm not for cancel culture I'm not working any of that stuff. So like I have no party now or there's no one that can vote for Who aligns my values. So like it's just like okay last election.   That's like that middle ground Yeah, politics is crazy. I mean it really has gotten like I mean back when Michael you're you're the I think oldest one here like Being apolitical, you know, not even interested was a thing in the 90s and early 2000s That's like gone now Like and maybe for good reason, but it's like that's where I'm not right now personally I think people have slowly realized that Politics has real consequences to our day-to-day life There's a sense where like we have not a lot of control at a federal level and that's why I don't even Care at the federal level per se. I care locally In a very deep way But uh, yeah, so I was a democrat Theoretically, but my first election I actually voted for uh, I voted for George W. Bush in 2000 when I was 20 And then he did the patriot act and all that stuff and that's that was kind of a moment that moved me towards becoming a libertarian So I was a libertarian from 2004 until 2020 when I voted for Donald Trump. I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016 I thought he was a new york liberal that was this pretending and then early early on as president I saw him as a real president. I realized I was wrong That you know, Trump's not like a deeply principled Political thinker. Yeah, but he loves america had he really does care about the little guy. He hates rich Liberal elites and he was trying to do something right? He was a bull in a china shop and that's exactly what you want in washington You want the guy just throws wrenches everywhere and that's why bullshit bulldozer Yeah, and that's why all those fbi cia all those guys there He's screwing up their game and he was so unpredictable You never knew what he's gonna do because he didn't either right And but that's what you want in washington because it's such a So that was like a real wake-up point for me, but then Do you think the election was rigged and I think there's no way to deny that it was rigged at some level I think anyone that says it's not I've heard delusional like they're like the thing is joe biden I mean I told I remember when trump beat hillary clinton I I was I drank a lot of wine that night because I thought it was hilarious Because just for her to lose that way But let's be honest hillary clinton is the one of the most corrupt politicians of all time and everyone hated her No one wants to vote in an old hag an old hag a connected to just about Every ugly controversy you could think going back to the days a little rock Killing all the killings connected to the clinton's so it was kind of a perfect storm. She was actually a really bad candidate tim kane Remember that dude? He's gone already. He's super weak And clinton or excuse me trump was able to pick up old blue dog democrats Who hadn't voted in a long time in those rust belt states and that made a difference so But then people like me who had been libertarians for a long we were like we started to love trump We're like look he's not perfect But he is jacking with all the people that we can't stand right like fine bring the government to stop Whatever i'm all for that. We'll put the government won't be on good Dude i like i switched from libertarian to voting for trump at the last minute Uh, and i didn't like gary johnson, but i was so frustrated with the two-party system I really that to me was the biggest thing and trump did massive damage to the two-party system I love it. He actually made he actually made a real distinction now between left and right before it was all fake And in many ways it's soliciting. Yeah, the two-party system is nonsense like All of the other advanced countries they have multi-party system like new zealand and all that stuff They don't all for those two-party nonsense. They should kind of comment on what michael said so We're talking about how like, you know, biden like why would he win? So I actually don't think it has to do with biden There's just a famous economist who's accurately predicted every election since like the 80s and he talks about their 13 factors to determine Whether the humblest is going to win and not it has more to do with like so I think the big reason why you know Biden one is actually because of cobit because the economy was crashing So when the economy is going downhill people want all the person again, that's not trump's fault You know, I mean maybe partially but not you know, not significantly by any stretch So it just I think it has much more to do with that So if that wasn't the case that the economic factors were different then trump very well could have re-won the election I think I think what you're saying is definitely an attribute. I wouldn't want to downplay it However, when we when we dive into some counties and look at the changes in voters It's just there's no way to explain it. There's like no logic to it Like if you look at all previous elections for some of these counties that went so high trump or And there's just things that the numbers don't add up so we know there was like some level of fraud Was it enough to turn the election?  I don't think the pandemic actually was this Great reset planned out. I think They took advantage of the pandemic to do the great reset now. That's what they're trying to do Like they've been thinking about this. Where did this pandemic come from though?  This is all like communist china crap as far as well It came from china but if you remember just go back to april And democrats and republicans were both trying to figure out how to politically play it Because it or you or you go back to the the vaccine. They're trying to figure out to play it And that's what made me think like, okay The aspects of this have been planned out other aspects of this Folks are trying to decide am I for the way trump's doing it or against it, right? And and early on I just remember late march early april of that year It it was like the the the narrative was switching every day and then it kind of got locked and You know, it's it's super weird like what now they're all about the vaccine that trump did that Right now they don't and even how they play the vaccine is really interesting the political implications of it Good, I think this time magazine article that came out. This is big when it came out a few months ago They basically just admit to not necessarily fraud obviously, but They the fix was in in like a thousand different ways Like I mean trump, you know in some ways inspired this right all this antagonism I love it But this is they basically They plan this out to win no matter what it took I think and I'll let people read through the lines on that whatever it was going to take to get them out You know, I got you know be damned any kind of rules laws Constitution changing stuff governor's changing stuff secretary Deep state's real. There's no doubt the fbi. It was against them the media was against them There was a huge narrative Um Across all those different verticals that led to it and that that article was mind-blowing The article was like, yeah, this is amazing. So leading up This is what everyone was saying leading up to the election And everyone was like, oh no, no, that's a conspiracy theory and then it's weird how they just had to tell everybody It was like they're bragging, right? Yeah, it's called all it is your bragging. It's duper's delight.  They can't they can't uh They can't not do it. It's like it's impulsive for them to rub it It's like the zodiac killer sending letters to taunt the police Yeah, just just to kind of comment on this uh like for example me personally I was never trump supporter, uh, but I was never trump hater either. I was like kind of looked at him objectively Okay, this this I like this. I don't like I find that there's this like This either you have to love trump and love everything about him. We have to hate. I mean, there's no in between But uh as the pandemic started happening More and more green with trump like for example, democrat for all about closing everything down.   I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any stretch But I find the democrats like their strategies if you don't want to get the vaccine to shame you you're an anti-vaxxer I would get a lot of america is like you right now. Alex like i'm i'm different But I think a lot of america is like independence like you and yeah, you're very frustrated I don't I don't blame it.    Because in a lot of ways, that's what we end up facing, right?  He's too hardcore anti Let me let me give let me give a quick quick input here.   I had girls I had known for months Oh, I'm lucky. I didn't die in your arms if they're reading that and then the second article was basically like without saying it explicitly Havily implying to an extreme degree that I was a rapist and that's where a lot of this bullshit talk comes from I've never been accused or charged with rape. That's public record not even once And I you know, I'm public about the lake on 1384 girls never once been accused of rape or charged with rape um But that article heavily implied that and she baited me on a on a phone interview Because I thought she was going to do another hit piece like the first article and said I'll allow you to give your inputs And I said here's all the details on my side in the case It's overwhelming and she didn't publish any of that and instead she was like, do you see how Uh, this could be looked at as rapey and I said, yes, I do But it when you know all the facts It's like all on my side And then she just made that the headline of the the thing like basically, you know So it looked like a rape situation.   Alex actually met her Fell in love with me and then you know, she wrote a overwhelmingly positive thing She was like I was girl number 9 20.  I just enjoyed it so much men people that are like not crazy like in america what's because um like they don't get on birth control unless um There's only like very specific situations. I think like only if they're in a relationship or something like that And they're with the food and stuff like GMOs are outlawed There's a lot more like quality control on the hormones and stuff It's amazing the food's just amazing too man.  I have seen anywhere in the world by far Yeah, I think you were living there the same time I was but I ended up staying who we were both there for conferences I stayed for for about a year and three months. That was one of my favorite places next to brazil yeah, um, but the cool thing is is like Um, the the difference between the the reporting the one painted me out ultra positive and the one was just like Trying to smear me as much as possible Um, and that that's haunted me for years I got I lost my last tech job over that hila packard fired me over that article Any girls that have read that stuff think that i'm on the level of a rapist and a school shooter And I talked to the top defamation attorney in new york and he said you'd probably have a 20 or 30 chance of winning Because it's it's all just very carefully written She just said allege of this allege of that take stuff out of context from the quotes in the phone interview And but the problem is is like the stink. I heavily researched defamation law And I have a defamation case going against modern life dating right now It's all about like the sting of what people take away from it The fact of the matter remains is that when people read those articles they think i'm on the level of a school shooter They think i'm the same and they think that um, i'm like capo harming people the way school shooters You probably have you probably have to show intent to do harm to you is what your lawyers are probably trying to do Like they're they're editing it in a way to actually do real financial harm to you in your life End of reputation harm emotional harm, whatever Yeah Yeah I want to switch gears a little i want to go to michael actually in this so michael earlier You were talking about how women and men and women are different number one But particularly with regard to gossip and stuff like that Do you see the influence of feminism in american culture as a driving force behind? modern day cancel culture do you see a connection? absolutely so in first Timothy chapter five paul is giving instructions to a young pastor And their church for whatever reason has a lot of widows in it. So these are women Who have been married and their husbands died and he says this he says at the same time they also this is the Young widows. So these are women below 60 At the same time they also learn to be idle as they go around from house to house not merely idle But also they become gossips and busybodies talking about things not proper dimension Therefore, I want younger widows to get married have children Manage your house and give the enemy new opportunity for approach for some have already turned away to follow satan You know you want to talk about based right paul just lays it out there He's like look these women have too much time on their hands these women Um, if they don't get married they're gonna get pulled into Just wasting time bouncing from house to house.  How do you know like your patriarchal wife? Yeah, for sure Yeah, yeah, like how do you know? How do you know like every time someone calls me? I always I asked people online the other day like what's the best marriage That you'd want to emulate in the manisphere and people like rollo and I was like Well, here's the thing though. Here's the thing. I pointed out to him. I was like, have you have you seen rollo and his wife interact? Why haven't Okay, what merit was like, well, we don't know any of them.  Can you show that rollo pick I texted you that was a gem somebody sent me When did you send it? I'll pull it up during this during this uh, let's talk you while you get to it I'll just keep going. Um, yeah, and then what but but so what I think's happened is that these women love outrage and drama and They want to find something to be mad about something to talk about the gossip about to make a big deal And um, I have a lot of people. Hey, have you heard about this latest controversy? No, I'm busy. I'm doing real things You know, I don't read I I read the news like once a week. Maybe maybe, you know, because it doesn't matter.  I don't follow but these women. They love this stuff They love controversy and so cancel culture Is outraged culture and women love to be offended and so I do think that's a big part of it Is that like they they're posturing themselves as a nurturer and protector By protecting people From harm, right? But that energy should be pushed into Keeping the home and protecting your own children, right?  And then she calls you wants you to come back the next day the next day the next day the next day I like I don't have time for that, right? Like I feel but that energy should be that her grandkids should be there Right her kids should be there, but she didn't have any And so the church this is the big problem these women when they move into their 50s and 60s like these millennial women Are going to be a freaking wreck. It's a real problem.  I don't think that's all there is to it I think just sort of you read the books like the coddling of the american mind That's part of it the idea of catastrophizing words as violence all that sort of marxist Nonsense is part of it. But but the thing that's made it spread so quick is that there's all these women They have nothing to do They're busy bodies because guys won't guys will only get involved in that if it makes money or gets some sex Right, that's what also what comes to mind is that feminism is also emasculated men. It doesn't just affect women, right? That's right. I think by I think by emasculating men that is also enabled and allowed So much of this to get out of control. That's not just the past 10 years or whatever It's been for going for decades getting worse and worse. It started what in the late 80s early 90s PC culture, right? Is it definitely correct politically correct? You know the iteration of of like it's what happened after it was after a third wave feminism It just wrecked it and then it spread through the internet Like like a virus, right? It was crazy how quick it spread men and men are jacked up these days And men act like women a lot of times, right? Yeah, you know, like I posted something like Um This guy I saw hey this guy. I'm watching a guy have a meltdown online right now The who doesn't matter the main thing is don't change your positions back and forth so quick and don't talk about it online Something like that and then I said don't ask me who and then this guy like messaged me right away. It says who? And it's because they don't really care about the principle.  And so, you know, men are building things We're not here. We do not entertain. We don't watch the bachelor right like a certain guy A certain man is fear guy.  I think it was in a chapter but I was but that he was actually giving live commentary to the new uh to Why streaming the bachelor or the bachelorette?  She's the dominant. I don't know if she's like pegging him or anything like that But it really it really is that bad. She runs him and it's the opposite Uh marriage is in the man's sphere that are run well like these people Uh including of course michael foster and I haven't met michael foster's wife yet, but I strongly suspect that you guys do have a really healthy marriage very much like tanner and mackaylee do Do I have seen operate over the years and including recently with their family in utah?  There's like principles that People take advice from this guy and how to pick up women at a bar. Like are you kidding me? Who's that guy? That's rollo Wait really?  Yeah Here's here's main rollo at my house in the same exact spot years ago. He's so cool.  This has been a good show guys Can you show his his old rock star picture? I have it on the phone. I've seen it before the the the other guys have covered it Yeah, there's way worse of rollo.  I'd say to the bathroom Yeah It's been a fun show guys cancel culture is retarded.    Yep, what do you guys do when um when you think so here's what I've done in the past when I knew I was about to get shut down I locked down certain aspects of my social media and just ride it out and come back And it's been pretty hard for them to to accomplish it Um now if they sneak attack you but sometimes it's usually you say something that's the grounds For them to to get the mob after you.  I should have mass blocked Let's look at the amount of immediately. That's what I should have done But I dude I do that. I was like, you know, I like these guys have no point Like I'm clearly in the right here. So I'm gonna just like, you know, insta block actually debate them And respect on twitter. It's called hashtag insta block. You just insta block anybody. That's what I do I got it from James Woods. So recently for some reason there's been a lot of feminists and a lot of trans people on twitter coming at me Like hard past like five two weeks I've probably blocked 500 people because the minute I see them bitch at me I just instantly block them Why because they might try to report me and if I if I block them, they can't report my tweets Right. It becomes way harder to report them. I have to block sometimes, right? Like if I if I realized this person's kind of in my circle And I look at them and I'm like, oh, this is not going to get a well, you know Just block them And I think you have to decide what you're what you're trying to accomplish Are you trying to get a signal boost and get your message out there and find like-minded people? but the people like that are your opponents And you're I'm trying to encourage people that are already moving my direction and bring them further Right. I try to convert to other ones. That's the first time that's a time that's old media I don't have you know people when I like have these really complicated conversations on twitter You're like how? No, who's got time for that? It's hard as it's hard enough to understand the threaded comments a lot of times.  So And I do that on youtube though. Can you just block people on youtube? I don't even know how it works Yeah, I ban people it's more like banning really They get kind of shadow banned.   It's all participation trophies now and like all the stupid Zoomers do By the way, man zoomers people think the zoomers are going to save us and man like I used to kind of believe that a couple years ago You kind of buy in this narrative that they're super based and some of them are right like any other generation You have a segment that are like really based really cool, right? The savage little kids trying to do good in the world But man that that has been completely dispelled for me recently the experience that yowl is an example of that But also turning point these other political events you meet a lot of these kids and a lot of them are just like super woke and like They're they're larping that they're not woke, right? But really they're all just like one of the influencers. They have no ideas.  Like it's it's bad, man Yeah, and yet any I know it's kind of a tangent but Any uh any wishful thinking that zoomers are going to save the day is like delusional like not going to happen Michael, I thought maybe you'd have some thoughts on that but I think I think what you said is right. I think there I think there is a segment of them that So, you know like You don't look at ads We don't those of us that grew up We don't look at ads on the side of of the google search, you know all those cheap ads We just don't look at them And so those that grew up with some of this crap they've learned to not even look at it They don't even it doesn't register with them And I've noticed a lot of these younger people until tiktok Tiktok's taken off with the younger people um But until tiktok a lot of these guys that would say 20 and down weren't almost on social media at all They'd have maybe a small instagram account um But it was pretty amazing to see how few of them were on social media And if they were not very active it was very encouraging to me because I think social media is kind of a A net negative for the moment, you know, I'm not against it. I obviously use it But um, but I am finding a lot of guys that are that are very promising but They still need guides I kind of think the the uh younger gen x older millennials if we're going to talk about the generational hope Are those guys because those of us we've got some great gray hair. We've had some success We've got real networks and connections Some of us aren't scared I'm really hard to cancel first off to figure out where I work isn't easy And then I'm friends with everybody there and it's probably going to come through me We you try to complain anyway, and I'll stop it for mapping and then when it gets to them They probably don't care either um, so guys like me have enough power and influence In connections where I can provide some protection for those people and guide them Uh, you don't really get that a lot of times in life until you get a little bit older And you've been around for a while and so zoomers don't have a lot of the resources and they think they can meme their way You know the whole meme war stuff that's kind of funny and there's some truth to it But you watch guys like bronze age pervert. He got he got canceled this past week Oh, really on twitter. He did they just took down his twitter, man Damn, I didn't know that and he and he honestly if you follow it There's nothing that's that edgy. It really I mean it's a different take. He's basically He's kind of a Nietzschean philosopher with very 4chan like language is what he is But um, anyhow, I do think there are those young guys out there, but they need fathers They need they need mentors that'll direct them and guys that can like Keep them from falling for the traps because a lot of these guys get suckered real easy so they So I have some hope, but they're not like the savior Generationally, I really think you have to have money influence connections and a little bit of wisdom But it helps to have that youthful energy right and that creativity that some of these guys have And so we've got some of that in our church not as much as I'd like but So, yeah, I don't know that's a mixed answer like they're not the layup that everyone was talking about Yeah, yeah, I agree and I also agree too with your assessment of older millenials younger gen Xers There is something there to that that crossroads of the two And yeah, I don't I don't know. I'm not quite there myself at 32 But I know I know what you mean my sister's at age She's like pushing 38 not that she's super base or anything But I know that that demographic though people like you ellie hulls stuff like that No, for real You know, it's a great example, right? Ellie, it's a great example that he's a guy that you know, I was weird at 21 Like how close ellie and I are in the ways our life when we both married our Our high school sweetheart. Um, we both, you know, have built a life together large families and uh Kind of traditionalism one one flavor or another Those guys, but also we've we've been around in the internet culture We've been around young people. We're not totally disconnected to what's going on I think we're the ones that can and we also have an ear, right? We have a ear to them We're willing to listen to the problem with boomers Is boomers take everyone's idiots and anytime they go against their their boomer experience Which was a very very particular set of experiences, right? It clouds their mind They don't listen to the younger people and like one reason my podcast took off and all that stuff is that I asked what if the younger millennials Are telling the truth about the world of dating What if women are really as bad as they say they are? You know, and I'm starting to have those thoughts myself as they interacted with these young women. I'm like, dude, this chick is Kind of nasty and not very good looking and terrible attitude and she thinks all these guys are below her I don't understand it. Like I was just trying to compute like I don't remember girls being in that way I can remember girls that weren't very attractive Knowing that they weren't back in high school and they were happy.  You're like Or whoever they like like man, you are disconnected from reality So when I started to listen to them But also bring some of the wisdom experience I had That to give some answers and take that that's that's what we need. We need the generations The resources and wisdom to meet the actual issues as they are and they're not they've changed very rapidly Well, that brings up this really cool comment from crypto boater Uh, nice avatar there, buddy. It's like a little monk.  Anyway, he says your community is on a real forefront of the culture war so much boils down to gender relations in the family I agree with that a thousand percent, but it also brings to mind what you've been talking about Michael like You know these generations particularly older millennials and uh, young generation is coming together to do something Like I I think I wonder If anyone has some thoughts on this open to the panel, but I wonder if the whole monastery is like an illustration of this, right? A lot of the dating quotes some questions Let me ask you guys, um go for you because This would be interesting The guys that come to you for help We got two tiered questions What are the major categories like age background and and secondly, who are the ones that you see the best Results with the best response Yeah, I'll um, I guess I'll I go first but uh, mainly my clients are between the age of 21 and uh, 35 sometimes up to 40 doesn't really goes above 40 sometimes I do have the 40 to 50 crab Mostly it's above it. Usually they're not super young because those ones don't have money So usually above 21 22 and then um, yeah up to 35 the ones who have the best results by far are the guys who um Already more or less understand women. They're like maybe they were the jock in high school Maybe they were like they're the socially savvy guy, but they just don't have any good strategies So they need like external strategies. Oh, oh, this is what picture. I should use for tinder This is what kind of messaging sequence. I should follow this is what I should do on dates Those are the guys who get the best results the guys who really, you know Are hard are the guys who are super socially awkward the guys who have a lot of inner issues because you can't solve Inner issues in one call, uh, you know, you know that takes time Yeah, so those are the ones that are like a bit of a struggle and I have gotten those guys results It just doesn't happen overnight. That's why I actually don't really believe in the concept of a boot camp I like you know kind of what john is doing. He's doing like this, uh, six-week mentorship I even go one step further like mastermind group where you know and for the hard case guys It takes time for them to get out of their bad inner beliefs. Yeah real change is pretty serious Like it takes real time to work out your issues and shit for sure therapy even stuff or just you know Should happens in your life to make you fight harder John what about you with regard to michael's question demographics and stuff Uh, say I didn't hear the last part demographics for you with the people were helping What's your uh, uh, if you're gonna like broadly describe your main clientele What sort of demographics age in particular generational? Do they fall in and who do you see the best responses results from?  I don't really care how old they are anything like that I just make them focus in on learning the system um, but I I would say the Age range I work with the most would be Yeah, what alex said 21 to 35 maybe 25 to 35 White collar workers guys with decent jobs that are socially awkward um But I think everyone needs help with this stuff on a massive scale most guys Really stuck with chicks. Um, yeah, but the problem is is that You know, there's a lot of ego in the way. So so a guy that's you know, thinks he's like cool or whatever You know, it's it's like cognitive dissonance to go and ask for help With dating I talked to a lot of guys that have banged like 30 to 50 girls or something like that They know the basics, but they're still largely pretty shitty with girls But for them to go and ask somebody for help Would mean like admitting they're not good enough or something like that I love about blanch on us.  Well, dude, I get guys all the time that haven't even been with uh double digits And again, it's not all about lay comp. That's not they're not very experienced And they and they tell me they have the game. I'll figure it out and I say that's nice I don't even have it all figured out and I'll Also came to mind for me is you guys you have guys coming to you that are probably making 100 grand a year 150 grand a year Which is good, right? If they're especially if they're in their 20s, right?  I have no doubt I've met guys like that They can't admit that they're like they're kicking ass in one part of their life And doing really really terrible and other and it haunts them like a dark cloud like following them Well, I would say the guys But I would say the guys that come to us are actually the guys who more or less definitely somewhat admitted because the guys who haven't admitted Are the guys they're the majority for sure But they're the ones who are not going to sign up for coaching because your ego won't let them Yeah, they'll barely even watch content They don't even they can't even watch the content because even that's like That even that takes an admission that you want to learn something Which means you can improve and you're not perfect and something is wrong Or even like even at my level like coming up on 1400 girls I'm still like with open arms would love to find anybody that can do stuff better than me At any area like when alex came on the scene I was like hitting him up more than like the newbie guys and I was at like 700 800 girls at that point And I was like, hey, I think you're doing some of the texting online game stuff better than me Tell me everything you know and I'll and I'll help you as well But that with the mindset of like always being humble and trying to find Ways to make yourself better and I always open everyone to criticizing my stuff too because that makes it stronger as well I think a lot of that comes from Studying philosophy and vassalers and masters agree with your arguments are only as good as the positions behind them So instead of being like this is my system or way of doing things.  No one's such a ross jefferies I think did a little bit right way back in the day. That's right. I russ jefferies. That's right. He had a he had a he tried to get like a Seduction watchdog website going that thing actually which is pretty cool But now it was very minimal and it was a better business bureau Yeah, that's but it's any industry has frauds.  So whatever Yeah, next level is figuring not just out how to get that notch count up But how to actually have good solid long lasting marriages and families Definitely exclusive whatsoever. I ran big rotations all the way through. I've had lots of girlfriends or even monogamous girlfriends, monogamous girlfriends or main rotation girls A lot of people think like just because the lay counts high that it's it's just a bunch of one-night stands or a lot of meaningless Empty rich. It's completely not the case at all I've had me clear for those that will cut this video out I know I can now I see when I talk about notch count get your notch notch count up with your wife Yeah, I'm a pastor.  That's uh, that's not our our speed one woman lots Just saying that to whoever will cut this up and I'll see it in the video somewhere Yeah, so there's a kind of comment on that I've never actually knocked that philosophy even though it's like pretty different than what I believe I just I'm a firm believer in like different strokes for different posts. So like for example going back to the city versus rural thing Like I wouldn't really like you know, say, oh, you know, you're wrong for living in a rural area Like I just think okay, like you like rural stuff. That's great. That's probably the right approach for you Like me personally I like the city. So again going back to the whole like, you know sleeping around a law versus getting married I just think comes down to like For different personalities like different things and then also it's also a different place in your life Like maybe in 10 years. I will probably like, you know sell down I don't know if I'll ever get married But I do could see myself like selling down and being exclusively not in this relationship So what do you guys think about like a bloodline legacy? Like about pursuing a bloodline legacy like actually producing I think I personally think that's dumb When you understand like what makes up a human being You know, it's it sounds good in theory, but it doesn't really mean shit to me I'm somewhere kind of in between between that between uh, like I don't value it at all But I don't I'm not completely missing you either. I mean, maybe I don't know. I don't know Maybe in 10 years I will want to have a kid But at this point I definitely don't to me to me like like a childbirth is Raising a child it's like from age like zero to three.  Trust me This is a big conversation we get into on a feature show guys Yeah, yeah, which we probably should this is a this is a big debate push a little bit I get on these PUA guys, you know, I try to We could have a civil conversation. It's fine. Disagree. Yeah You guys yeah, you guys will meet at 21 summit too in a few months.  You'll meet all these guys to meet myself You'll meet dozens of other speakers amazing guys And that's gonna be an amazing time If you want to go to the best event in the world for men for fathers and even for women, this is it It's the also the 15 year anniversary. So I appreciate you coming out Like a birthday bash right 15 years long time decade and a half 20 years will be coming up soon in five years, but for now it's 15 And I've been doing it since I was 17 years old for you guys I know if you're new to the show or something like that So my entire life's journey building this convention building this business building this empire building these events Which are really really good and if you care about awesome things in the worlds that are really high quality This is it You learn how to change your life and do a lot of badass stuff and meet these speakers And you get to talk to them for free a lot of time too coffee and dinner and shit drinks, whatever I'd be surprised how courteous these guys are with the time nice to them How many speakers are there going to be in the 21 convention today this year? A ton The main the main 21 or all of them the main one I think right now it's like 19 Yeah, it's a lot maybe 19 or 20. I got to actually count. I got to make it make it 21 It's tough because there's just scheduling like cramming that many people in and we also do the red man group Podcasts which takes up like a time slot So there's a lot of stuff man to map out and plan with it. It's awesome though. What's the 21 for the 21st century? No, it's because I started the convention for young men I was 17 when I started the company and the event was supposed to be It was basically in the seduction community So it's kind of like pickup based obviously with a little bit of health and fitness But it was for guys who were under 21 Because that's what part of the mystery method form and even fast seduction and stuff that it was for the under The member back on the day had the under 21 sections like 18 to 21 That's I know about this forum. I was never part of them. But yeah, I know about those forums. Yeah Anyway, so it went from the under 21 meetup to the under 21 convention And that name just stuck and that was the official name of it Obviously once I decided and then eventually I cut out the under when I got older because I you know became older for 21 So I had a crisis with the name and the branding But I was like, well, what if I just chop out the under and called it the 21 convention that's stuck ever since How about the Bruno report? Is there going to be a Bruno report at 21 this year? Yeah, there's going to be a Tony Bruno report. That's right. Tony Bruno is going to be uh taken over the 20 unimportant His brother is not available At the event currently he's being sued in court.  I'm not going to comment on it too much, but there's this committee There's this comedian Anthony Anthony Jeselnick. He says My whole family all went to jail all for the same thing. It's very sad My confession And it's all public too. I mean everyone can go look in the orange county florida court They can actually watch the lawsuit against george bruno and zack small like what's going on with the public record and stuff And the first hearing is on I think august 30th with uh with the judge What are Tony's what are Tony's thoughts that I see him on the stream here? Tony's free to comment for himself. Uh, he's a good friend of mine. I'll see him probably tomorrow actually and uh Tony's a supporter of the truth.  I don't say that jokingly And he had to make a lot of tough decisions in his life over the past year I'd say and I have a lot of respect for that guy and he's welcome to speak up for himself in the chat Or in his own channel too So, but you'll meet him at 21 summit. He'll be there and do in the bruno report. We'll call it All right guys, so on the end of the show, I appreciate everybody's time today Um, thanks for having me in this song.  Goodbye