Ash Wabanan in the finals game of the conference season also. Joining me is the coach Chris Wright. I'm Mike Martin, and we're happy to be here. Oh, yeah. I was here just talking, Marty, just said, hey, last regular season game this season went so fast. I can't believe it's the end of February, and they're going to be starting tournament action next week. It's just crazy. And we've got Wade Heinen and the Salt-Eye Pep Ben playing behind us. It's hopefully going to be an exciting game. Both teams come in with less than stellar records, but sometimes that means it's going to be a good game, too. Well, we're hoping we'll see what happens up. Big win for South last night. We'll see if they have any legs left tonight. That's kind of what I was thinking about. Ash Wabanan been struggling. They've lost their last six in a row. South had to play last night and beat the last game, and they're kind of skin a little bit. For last night, they lost six and seven, but they played Southwest really good. Gladly, Marty, and now they beat Alaska here. Time to be beaten. Let's jump ahead a little bit. South's first tournament game is against Manitowoc. Manitowoc, the other night, surprisingly, beats Shaboygan North. What's up with that? And what does that mean for that South Manitowoc game? Manitowoc, I've got to be honest with you, it was the worst team in the conference that I saw this year. I just saw them play it. We saw them a couple of times this year, and they just cannot handle any pressure or anything like that. And then Monday night, they basically smashed Shaboygan North's conference holds. They had to have Southwest lose, obviously, to have a share. But again, I'll win by Manitowoc. I don't know. I still think Shaboygan South's a better team. Unfortunately, down the road is the number one team in the state, Sussex Hamilton. Interesting enough, coming into tonight's game, both teams are 6 and 15 overall and 4 and 13 in conference. A win tonight by South, obviously, bumps them up a little bit in the conference. And let's face it, you always like to end the season with a win. Go into the tournament action off of a win or two, and that's what they could have happened. That little bit of a spark sometimes makes a difference. Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. Like you said, we always say, Marty always says, you want to be playing your best basketball come February. And again, they won one last week. Our loss to some game gets South went one yesterday. Everybody yesterday, we've been talking, dude, you get contributions from other players. Every kid yesterday was above their average and scoring. So I know Josh Kovac went on for 39, but all the other kids did a little bit better than their average. And that's all that South is asking is, get a little support from that supporting cast and the good things are going to happen. The one thing I noticed is the 39 by Govac, obviously. But Marcel grown at a good game. He had 11 points. And I don't think he fouled out. That's important. Yeah, we've seen Marcel a couple of times. He makes just foolish fouls every once in a while. We kind of shake our head. And we always say, well, it's just a sophomore. Well, you're not a sophomore anymore.  And so hopefully for South to be successful, you've got to remember you need to be on the floor. That's what I tell the first graders when I'm subbing.  Hey, we talked about this a little bit at that last in our South game. Govac and Witter from North were very close in terms of conference scoring. It looks like Josh Kovac is going to take the scoring lead with that 39 points. And he also had, I think, 30 points in the game before that. Witter didn't quite match up with that. What do you think on that regard? Yeah, I think Brent is a little bit more of a god. It was going for that conference title. And if you look at the stats, I mean, he's up there in rebounds. He's up there in steals. And Brent is up there field goal percentage. I don't think he really cares about the title. I think what he wanted was that conference title. We saw him just rush. They lost that Southwest game. We just saw him crumple to his knees. He gave it everything he had. I think for Brent, it was more for the conference. Josh, on the other hand, he's a nice little tip of the cap to him. He's had a pretty good year breaking a school record. Winning the conference scoring title would be a nice little bonus. And you pointed to something that's really important. Sometimes the guy on the best team doesn't lead the team in the conference in scoring. Because they're going for the wins. And they usually have, or almost always, have better tells around them. And that makes a huge difference, too. Hey, with that, we need to step out. When we come back, we'll have the starting lineups and the tip off for tonight's ball game. The fouls are pretty dumb.  Underage drinking and driving, the ultimate party foul. From Christ Child Academy, Horace Mann and Farnsworth. Thank you. Great job, eighth graders. I'd like to take a couple minutes here briefly before we get to the starting lineups. It is senior night here. And we have three seniors that I want to talk about. Parents of these three seniors, when I announce your son's name, if you can stand up as well, I think that would be appropriate. First, Lars Krugel. Lars is in his first year on the varsity team. He's done a nice job coming off the bench for us this year. His scoring and defending have been very much needed for our team. He's one of the best athletes on the team, boasting a 38-inch vertical. Lars is a very unselfish player who always looks for his open teammates. He's planning on attending University of Wisconsin for biomedical engineering. Lars Krugel. Next, I'll go with Nick Larson. Nick is in his second year on the varsity team. He's one of our two captains. I think he's done a nice job of leading both by example and as well as vocally this year. He's been a three-point sniper for us during the season. He's worked hard on his shot throughout the off season to become an offensive threat for us. Nick is very coachable in practice and in games, which is an important quality for any player. Nick is planning on attending UWGB for either accounting or elementary teaching. Nick Larson. And finally, Austin Belt. He's in his second year on the varsity team as well. He started all 22 games for us this year. He's done a little bit of everything for this team. He handles the ball. He scores, rebounds extremely well, and is our best defender. Austin is a hustler who dives on the floor and scraps for every loose ball. His effort and energy have been contagious for this team. Austin is planning on attending Auburn for Marine Biology. Austin Belt. Just finally, I just want to mention all three of these players. I think our high character guys who are role models for our basketball program. Also, their combined GPA of 3.57 makes them true student athletes as well. Give a warm hand for these three seniors. All right, nice job. Thank you, seniors. And now, let's meet the starting lineups. First, for the Ashwabbanan Jaguars. 510 Freshmen. Number 5, Matt Immig. 511 Sophmore. Number 12, Brady Wittek. 511 Freshmen. Number 22, Christopher Morgan. 6-4 Sophmore. Number 23, Kyle Krieger. And 6-foot senior. Number 24, Marcus Wagner. Head coach, Chris Karch. And now, for your starting lineups, for your South High Red Wings. 510 Senior. Austin Belt. 5-7 Junior. Josh Govac. 6-2 Junior. Number 5, Jake Marver. 6-4 Sophmore. Number 11, Marcel Drone. And 6-1 Senior. Number 20, Nick Larson. Head coach, Jesse Shaw. Assistant, Jeff Risto. Jeff Nichols. Manager, Ariana Methfessel. The officials for tonight's game. Steve Goves, Robert Guernsey, and Joe Holber. Our official scorer, Michelle Walters. These individuals are registered by the WIAA. Their experience and integrity qualify them to administer the rules of the game. From Aurora Sports Health, Melissa Wood, Dave Stecker. Working the ball rack, Steve Downs. Our official Super Game Supervisor, Mike Rink. And we're ready for action here at South Ice School, Marcel Drone Jumping Center for the Red Wings and South Controls. We mentioned both teams come in 6-15 overall, 4-13 in conference. Goes right off of Marver's hands out of bounds. One thing I'm not going to forget about tonight, Marty, is that Ash Wabanan is the only team that beat Southwest this year. And so... Yeah, be careful about them. Must have done something one night really, really well. I know they've lost six in a row, but it's a very, very young team, Marty.  South comes away with the rebound. Josh Goldbeck has been quite hot the last couple of games, especially that last game. I don't know if that was a season high of the 39 or not, Chris, but had to be right up there. Coming away with the loose ball was Marcus Wagner. Yeah, he was 11 for 15 or 19 from the floor and 15 from 18 from the free throw line last night. That's a lot of free throws. They just kept following him. I talked to Jim Bickler earlier today and he said, Pulaski tried to follow people, but Josh always had the ball. So he had no choice but to follow him. Another three point attempt. That one is up and in by Christopher Morgan. Will there be legs for South tonight? That'll be one of the things to worry about. It's a good point, Chris, two nights in a row. High school players not used to doing that, although sometimes when you get deep into the tournament, that's exactly what happens. I will talk about that when we get a break, Marty. I don't like it and I'll tell you why. Drown with a good block and it goes off the Ash Wabanan player, South will get it. Goldbeck second in the conference and scoring, 23rd in state, number three. He's second in the conference. Yep. Who's first? Mason DeProyek from Manitowoc. Oh, I know that. Drown with a turnaround basket. Nice little move in the post area. Two sophomores, two freshmen and a senior on the floor for the Jags. That's our senior. Penetrating pitch and taking the three, but not making it was Brady Wittig. And Merbar comes away with the board. Goldbeck trying to get some separation, couldn't do it. South comes away with the rebound, Austin Belt. So do you have any stats about how far behind? It's only like a couple points. Now I don't know if the stats from last night were in though, Marty. So Manitowoc played last night? No, I mean South 39, I don't know if that I was added to that. All right. Jake Marbar puts that in. South on top, four to three. 15-15 left in the first half. Schwabin on doing a pretty good job of moving the ball. Good little move and a basket made by Kyle Krieger. Krieger averaging 13-9. He's their leading scorer. Yeah, he's 10th in the league and scoring fourth with rebounds. Just a sophomore. Drown tries to kiss it off the glass, but didn't get high enough. Whistle on the outside. Three second call. Three second call. No, oh, it wouldn't have counted anyway. Well, there's a call. We've seen the last couple of games, Chris. We hadn't seen it through the first, probably 10 or 12 games and we've had several three second calls. Larson's shot is no good and then Marbar over the back. Well, Larson had a big game in that North-South game. I believe he finished up with 15 points. Or so had five three-point baskets. Three-point attempt is no good. That shot was taken by Whittock again. Belt saves it from going out. I think Marbar wanted to get it to Marcel Drone, but couldn't control it. And Wagner takes it deep and scores. Govac with a three ball. Nothing but the bottom of the net. He's got a quick release, Chris. Wow. Whittock should have taken that to the basket right away. Wide open. Little slow on the recovery tonight for South. Wagner able to slip through and get the shot off and he's fouled. He'll be at the line shooting a pair. I think this South looks a little bit, tonight. Still don't have that same hop in there step. Oh, is this thing loud, huh? First free throws of the night. And it was a miss. First free throw attempt missed. Good release by the left-hander on that second one. Good feed inside. Drone had it stripped away by Wagner. Good steal. A good defense by Lars Krugel, a sink down inside. Knocked that pass away. Govac's leaping leaner in the lane is no good. And that was one of those silly fouls, Chris, that we talk about every time we do South with Marcel. Yep, absolutely no reason. Just go back to play defense. Short memory. Probably upset that the ball was swiped from him, so. South in a two-three zone. Immig shot. Rainbow three is good. And timeout by Chabaligan South with 12 minutes and 16 seconds left. They're swabbing on out to a four of eight shooting from the floor. They've also two or five of those are from three point range. You mentioned, I don't know if our fans saw the opening. We heard that that did not play, but a better fact, I thought our opening tonight was the best of the year. And they didn't record it. Didn't show it. What, no worlds going on. But anyway, we said this in the opening is that Govac cannot do it alone. He needs to get some contributions and you were mentioning in their last game, they beat Pulaski and every player was a little bit above their average. And even though Govac had 39, it was still nice to see. Little pop out and a shot by Larson is no good. Hard to believe the end of the season's here. Yes, went quick like you said in the opening. Oh my. Another basket, this one by Christopher Morgan is second three of the night. They shoot a lot of threes. That's his 50 second on the year. Oh, we, Krugl's passes tipped away. Salt will keep it, however. Give some credit to that. That's the other thing that people missed in the opening was the Sultai pep band. They sound pretty good tonight. Yeah. Here's Heinen and the Sultai pep band. Here's our third freshman in the game, refresh Wamanan, Marcus Tomaszek, number one. We've mentioned it many times. The teams that are doing the best are Southwest and North this year and they are both very senior oriented. Teams on the bottom are all kind of youthful. Let's see what happens next year when it gets flipped a little bit. Southwest and North both lose a lot of guys. Oh, definitely a blow there. Christopher Morgan, number 22, picking up that foul. Well, they mentioned the three seniors on the team prior to the start of the game and some very impressive credentials by those young men. Govack trying to get some separation, but couldn't do it. Belt looked like he had a shot, but turned it down and then Sult loses it. There, turnover. One of the things that we've talked about all year, Chris, or I should say every time we've had Sult is they go on extended slumps where they don't score for a long time and this is what we're seeing right now. Penetrating pitch, Emig again. Wow. That's his second three. A second timeout for South, Marty. Jeez. Well, Coach Shaw trying to get it turned around, but it's just not working. Well, it's, Ash Wamanan's making some bombs. And they're kind of doing it the same way each time. You know, they get the ball inside either with a pass in the middle or a little dribble penetration and they kick it out. Like you said, they're making their shots. Yeah, I was, when I did my homework today, I was looking, I said the majority of their kids aren't shooting the ball very well. And one of the reasons is probably they take a lot of three-pointers and they don't make as many. And the percentage a little down, but on the flip side, you know, if you do make them, it's worth one more point. Yeah, really? And a two-pointer. They've done studies on that, Chris, and I think the break-even percentage is 33%. Yeah, I know when Coach Desatelle, when we first, a long, long time ago, started running our system, which was basically to provide for three-pointers, that was kind of the thought processes. We were gonna get more shots and more threes. It should work to our advantage, and Coach Desatelle had a lot of success. Grinnell University is annoyed for that. Yeah, more possessions. It's a little more difficult in a high school game because teams try to slow you down. Nick Friggin's in the house tonight, Chris. Down there. Josh Govec off to a slow start. One of five. He really got him covered up.  How does Coach Shaw handle this? Take him out, bringing in Zach Adams. I think it was the North South game, Colin Fisher, number 33, hurt his hand, and I believe it was in the second half, he had it bandaged up. I think he's on the bench. I don't know if that hand is still an issue. Good steal by Govec. Takes it down the lane, couldn't get it in. Kruegel on the put-back. Finally, saw scores. Shwabin on losing it out of bounds. That was Christopher Morgan. Rome Perot is guarding Josh Govec and sticking to him, like paint on drywall. Nice shot by both there. Nice little jumper in the lane. Now South switch into a 1-3-1, gonna mix him up, and they look a little more active this trip after the timeout. Yeah, I agree with you there, Chris, good point. Robert Ingraham, our director tonight. Eric Weisman up here doing the top camera. And bottom camera, and this. Designated troubleshooter. Three ball is good by Marcus Tomaszek. It's 17th of the year, and everybody throwing them in is going in, you just gotta get through it. South's gonna be okay, you just gotta get through it. They're not gonna be shooting like this all night. Get some turnovers. Great help there, great help there by Krueger out on Govec. Got off his man, went to the guy who gets all the plays. Josh Govec will be at the line shooting a pair. Chris mentioned earlier that he had a great night at the line against Manitowoc last night. His free throw percentage is in the high 80s. Yes, you are correct. I got him at 85%, Marty. That would just classify into the high 80s, wouldn't it? Round it up. 84, wouldn't quite get it, but 85 will do it. Jake Marver coming back in and Nick Larson taking a well-deserved rest. I'm not, as I said, I'm not concerned at all, Marty. I think they're gonna start turning Ash Wabanan over. I hope you're right. Ash Wabanan, like I said, can't keep making threes at the pace they're doing it. This is gonna be issues for Ash Wabanan. Job of getting it in, a little touch fall by Lars Kruegel, tough break there. That is a six team fall. Keep an eye on that image, kid. Rome Perel on a good dish off, but not able to make the basket was Ben Wendorf. Perel right down the middle, couldn't get it in, but he does draw the foul. The second foul on a top six player, Marty. Yeah, that's not good. Falls are piling up for the South Siders. 11 point lead for Ash Wabanan.  Immig open for just a second. He throws it up there, no good. But Wagner with the rebound and they kick it over to Immig again and he shoots it in. That was not good, Chris. No, second opportunity costs out that time. Defense by Perel. Govec able to get around him, however, and puts a teardrop up and in. 11 of 19 shooting last night. Today's off to just a two of seven. Tomaszek's shot, no good. Well, hopefully you were right, Chris. Those three pointers are not going in quite as much. Govec with a pull up, quick three. Goes out of bounds. 6-0-5 left. Pirates are up by 10. So our last regular scheduled game, our last regular season game, I should say. Tournaments start like Chris mentioned in the opening. Tuesday of next week, the 26th, we will not be doing a game that night. I can guarantee you that already. We're hoping to do some maybe later in the week to work out the details for that. Leap and leaner by Nick, pardon me, by Jake Merbar and it's in. Good ball movement there. Three basket is up and in. That one's by Christopher Morgan and that's his third, Chris. They got two guys with three threes. Yeah, seven for the game. Are they gonna count it? No, that's a tough break. Furl, commits a foul. Merbar with a leap and leaner, puts it in. He's three for three from the floor. Good pump fake and a ball rolls in. Ay, ay, ay. Making that basket was Kyle Krieger. That's only a second basket of the night. Chris taking a chance, bringing Marcel back in with two fouls. Chris doesn't like it. Nope. 66% free throw shooter, Murray. That's my jinx. We're gonna have to have you work on that in the off season. Too much airtime on some of those passes, Chris, but the belt makes some pay, gets the ball in the lane and shoots it in. Right idea, but Krugel just couldn't handle a pass. It was a little bit low. Creating the turnovers. It's gonna happen in the second half, Marty. Yeah. Uh-oh. Marcel, good job of laying off that time. See, that's the problem with him with two fouls. You want him to command that paint there, but he's not going to really take a chance to pick up that third. I just as soon have, you know, Fischer there, excuse me, Adams there clogging up that hole. Merbar fouled on the shot attempt. He'll be shooting a couple of free throws. Jake has six points. Jake is a 6-2 junior. 80% from the free throw line, missed that first one, Marty. Get to work, Chris. There, see? Take a free throw off and it costs us a point. Austin almost had the steal, but the- Don't reach. Yeah, Ashwabin unable to come away with the loose ball. Wagner. Good little move inside, couldn't get it. This is going to be an interesting call. The calling and a jump ball, I thought, Belt actually had the inside position. Not the inside position, but he had the first run at the ball, but no foul call, just a tie up and South gets it. 339 left in the first half. Ashwabin on by 11. Marcel Drone using the body. He's a beast. Showed it there. Sophomore. Like Wagner might have shuffled the feet, but no call. Ashwabin on keeps the possession. And they reload. Oh, what a fake. Couldn't finish, however. That shot taken by Morgan. Kovac just not finding much room, Chris. But he still gets the shot off and puts it in. That was outstanding. He has nine points. Uh-oh. That's number three on Marcel. That's what we were afraid of. Jesse Shaw taking a chance, bringing him back in. Christopher Morgan will be at the line shooting a pair. Nobody at the, there comes Zach Adams. Coach Shaw pleading his case, but he didn't have one. I don't think he had one there. Marcel jumped straight up, but it was too late. The contact was there already. Easy call for an official. Salto within nine. Let's see how they do with a 235 left in the first half with drone going out.  And Josh will be at the line shooting a pair. That was a nice little move by him. Wow, he got slapped. Good thing on the wrong hand. Cause he's hurting with his left. Seems like when Josh goes to the line, we don't have to say too much. Just let him go up there and make him. Sal's creeping back in, creeping back in. Let's get a steal here.  I would've pressed, but gonna try a little trap instead. 131, half court trap. Belt went off of his foot. Ash Wabanan will keep it. Good try, good try, love the call. Using all the tools in the toolbox tonight. Christopher Morgan bringing it up against Mervar. Marver. He may go open for just a second, a quick release, but he couldn't get it in. And Ash Wabanan getting two offensive rebounds, Chris. And Salto's got to clean that up. Yeah, you're right, Marty. And it's not like they got six, six guys inside getting the rebounds either. Yeah, they got now six offensive rebounds. Finally, Belt comes away with one, and I think he got fouled. He's gonna be at the line shooting some free throws. And Ash Wabanan close range, but can't put the ball in the hoop. And they got a chance to cut the lead to five. Yes, good point. Salto's been successful at the line so far, making five of six. Ash Wabanan's been pretty successful, two making six of seven. Nothing but the bottom of the net on that first one. Just a 50% shooter, too. Shh. Animal. It's up to 51%, no. Ash Wabanan shooting 40% from the floor, lead by just five. Good work by Adams, saying I'm controlling the paint. Good job, I like it in front. Zach working real hard in the middle of that zone. If you look in there, you can see those two guys dancing around. He wants front, and that's just a great job. He just wants it more. Referees letting those boys play, too. He's beaten him to the spot, Marty. That's the key. Zach has beaten him to the spot. Good defense here. We're under him. Tied up well. A good job by Krieger, too, getting in position. It's a little tie up, actually, between the two of them, and then all of a sudden the ball came zipping in, and Adams wasn't ready for it. Unfortunately, Krieger was. I think South's okay here, Marty. We don't want them to score again, so. Gonna play for one with 30 seconds left. That clock on your screen, fans, is wrong. We're down to 25 now. I think both teams are happy with this situation. South gives a chance to close. Hopefully no fouls. I hope we won't win on Ashwabin on under 10. 14 footer is off. Ashwabin on comes away with the rebound. Half court shot is off by Immig, and we're at halftime here at South High School with Ashwabin on leading 37 to 30. So we drowned the fire, stirred it, drowned it again, and now just feel if it's cold. 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Very competitive game, Marty. 11 of 23 shooting for South, 48%. One of five from three though. On the flip side, 46% shooting for Ash Wabanan. They hit seven threes. That's the difference of the ball game. 53%. Two teams that shot very, very well, even on turnovers. One thing Marty mentioned in the first half, too many offensive rebounds for Ash Wabanan. They had six. And most of those are a number of them anyway, led to baskets. That's the point. We didn't mention this in the beginning, Chris, but coming into tonight's game, WSCS was 10 and 5. Not a real good record. We're used to doing a little better on the basketball end. Hopefully, we'll finish 11 and 5. And then hopefully we'll get some tournament games in too. Well, Marcel Drone can't get those fouls. I saw Pete He is starting the second half too, Chris. I saw Pete go back out in the hall and talked to him a little bit too. We're disappointed by Marcel's fouls too.  On the other side a half court actually. That's what Pete said too. He said we need him on the floor to be successful because of that. He's down the lane and he scores in his foul. He's such a force in the middle. Like Josh's dad and I were both talking. Pete and I were talking and said you just cannot not have him on the floor because he's so important for rebounds. He's a big force in the middle of the paint. Just an intimidating factor too. Exactly. Yup. The leading rebounder for South over seven boards a game, 7.6. Just to jinx everybody, Pete and I both said that South's going to win this game. No problem. All righty, I'm with you guys. I think they're going to turn over the Jags here in the second half a lot more. And the shooting is going to cool out. Yeah, Wagner got a friendly bounce on that. Wagner on the basket. And heard from tonight is Nick Larson. Nice to get him going in the second half. Yeah. Missed both his three point attempts tonight, Marty. He leads the team in threes. Nick does with 44. Really? I thought Josh Goldbeck would lead that department. Josh has 29 I think. No, 37. Drone. He's okay. Drone was wide open too. Had to make himself available. Goldbeck on a kick out to Austin Belt. His rainbow three does not go in. Wagner with the board. Mervar's shot is blocked. Goldbeck open from 14 and he nails it. He thought he was fouled too and so do I. That's a two pointer, huh? Yes, just a two pointer. Marver providing a little pressure on the outside. This is dangerous here, Chris. Stay down. Oh, as good as you can do. Krieger has 11 now. He's a leading scorer. He's got a slow start but he picked it up in the second half of the second half. Marcel there leaving his feet.  I meant to say about Krieger coming on in the second half of the first half. Yeah, as long as they keep getting it down deep, it's going to be tough for south. Marcel's going to need some help. I thought Zach Adams played real well on defense in that first half. There we go. You ask, can you receive, Marty? They got it down to three now. Duh. Oh no. A little push off by Wagner not called. But they did. Timeout being called by Ash Wabanan. 14-53 left. South only down three. It's a full time out. Robert. This is a full timeout. Back at South High School, back at South High School see Jesse Shaw talking to troops. Had a chance to talk to Chris Hine and during the JV game and I know I pointed this out to you, one of the managers with them had this really nice Chicago bear sweater on and I said something to Chris about it. Hey, did you see that guy with the, he says, yeah, yeah, I saw it. Did you know who's a big bear fan from South? Jesse Shaw?  Well, he didn't quite put it that way but you get the idea. So anyway, we got a bear fan. We got bear fans in the halls.  Big time. Heavy pressure at half court but Imig able to pass out of it. Good job, good job, good job. Now get the rebound. Oh, Neil in the three was Christopher Morgan. For him, that's his fourth three-point basket. And he's four of five from the floor. The only thing he's missed is a two-pointer. I don't know why he took that one then. Really? That one was great D by South and then Marver losing the ball there. Another good ball movement by Ash Wabanan but he couldn't get the basket and then Marcus Wagner picks up the fall. That'll be his third. Brady Wittig son of the former I believe he was prevel coach or maybe he was Ash Wabanan coach. Number 12 he's old for four tonight. There that kid is with the bear shirt on. Walking right at the bottom here screen. Can't see him. Unfortunately. Can't see him. Nice. Josh Gullback nice pass out to Jake but his shot is a little short drawn with the rebound. Nice one there. Larsen in and out. Belt working hard but couldn't save it. Austin one of those three seniors that was talked about prior to the start of the game. Working hard there. Taking the three ball but not able to come up with it was Krieger but Ash Wabanan comes away with the offensive board. That's eight offensive rebounds now for the Jakes. Another offensive rebound Marver with a block Gullback comes away with it a good job by Ash Wabanan getting back on defense. Gullback with a pull up 12 footers oh good and drone gets away with one. He did commit his fourth foul there but they didn't blow the whistle. Krieger's shot is off. Larsen with the rebound gets it over to Josh he goes right down main street and scores. 15 points four in the second half and we get another time out by the Pirates. Let's see if it's a short one or a long one Robert. 30 seconds so we'll keep it here. Chris Wisey calling that time out. I have no idea. I honestly don't know we just called time out you have the ball you know give south another chance to change up their deal a little bit. Let's talk about south and Jesse Shaw if you were coaching the Red Wings what would you be doing coming out of this time out Chris? I'd go back to that nice little trap they had before. They've done some I think you said it before you know they're taking everything out of their bag of tricks tonight and I like that little half court trap there. They were caught in the corner by the Red Wing symbol right down here and here. One thing I did notice though and it was a 2-3 so it's a little different but Zach Adams in the first half when they had that 1-3-1 going on he was really battling at the high post there's not that battling going on. Yep they went I don't know what they're doing. It's a man to man no. I think it's a I don't know what it was. Oh boy Thomas check with the 3 Whatever it was I didn't like it I don't know what that was I think it was like a triangle and 2 or something. Nice feet inside to drone but he couldn't finish rebound up and in and he's fouled. He flipped that up there like he was throwing an M&M up into the basket. Right. He's got big pause. Marcell comes in third in the league in rebounding. Yeah sweet touch from the line 2 for 2 he's got 10 points on the night and they're in a trapping kind of a press here. Uh oh. Left Thomas check open again and he nails it the freshman 9 points now. 10 threes for Ash Wabanan of their 50 points 30 of them come from out there.  Good effort by Belt as well. So 7 point game Ash Wabanan is up drone posting up gets it inside goes right around the defense of Krieger if that's what you want to call it and scores easily. Wait till next year for that man. Yeah sir and you know what he's going to be a smarter player next year not going to be bigger stronger but he's going to be smarter Krugel with the rebound kick out Larson's 3 again off had a good look couldn't get it to drop feet inside no good Krugel with another board Larson rainbow nails it it's a 2 point game Krieger taking Marcell drone to school on that one Wow drone had to back off of those fouls You got some place you got to be tonight man? Full time out we'll take a break inspiration to be a teacher think you can change my life make me excited about science like you have a career that really means something then do it the one reason I can think for calling the time out like Coach Shaw did is to try and hammer out what they're going to do defensively when they get it deep like that because they could try to double team you know to help out Marcell you know with him having 3 fouls and always backing up a little bit I mean they're going to give him 2 points in a lane and Krieger's no slouch he's pretty tough in there Well there you got to tell your guys before he gets the ball but it's also on a pretty good roll right now I don't know if I would have shut that down I mean so they scored 1 on him in the half after 8 minutes on Marcell but Marcell did the smart thing he might as well give up the 2 early here he did get deep so oh boy South is going to get it back which is a good thing but it was close tipping action we're under 10 minutes left in the ball game Govex shot around and out and in goes back down and scores 17 points now for Josh leads all scores in the ball game Marcell's just standing in the lane he's like Krieger out there good decision by Marcell and a block he didn't miss that one no sir not in my house there you go South within 2 points Krieger's 12 footer nothing but the bottom of the net he's got 15 yep mentioned that Krieger came in 10th in the league and scoring 13-9 a game Govex shot is off no good kind of forced at that time Immig tosses it inside to Wendorf but he was not able to handle a pass and it goes out of bounds turnover for the Pirates it's just the first one Marty in the whole game in the second half 6th total that's awesome a good defense that time by Wendorf and pardon me Immig and Josh Govex had a hard time focusing on the ball Redwings don't seem to have a whole lot of turnovers Chris they just have 7 2.5 as well good observation Marty he drops open from on top but couldn't get that 3 to drop Krugel with his fourth board Belt in the lane he's had a knack for that tonight Chris getting the ball in the middle and then shooting and scoring Krugel guarding Immig he's been pretty quiet this half no points had 9 in the first half Krieger spinning Krugel and no good Drone with another rebound 6th for Drone gotta get a couple more to get up to that average 7-6 Larsen open from outside the line and he buries it his third 3 of the half and it's a one point lead for the southside they've battled all the way back with 7-12 left Ashwabinon calls a timeout full timeout Robert we can take a 30 second break if you'd like back at south high school this is the first lead for south since they led 4-3 with about 2 minutes in it's now a one point lead again but it's 55-54 and Chris you called it right away you know at one point I believe they were down 22-11 and you said I'm not worried they're going to come back well second half they started making some 3's Marty they've made 4 of them here in the second half just one in the first half south shooting 50% from the floor Marty 11 for 21-52% here in the second half Krieger trying to work inside kicks it out the Tomaszek his 3 is off but another offensive rebound this one by Immig Immig gets the 3 from the corner Krugel with the board south with a chance to build go back driving down the lane but he couldn't get it in and it's a bust out for Pirates Block by Larson Johnny on the spot there wow that should have been a 2 point basket on the other end for the Jaguars but a big play a big play by Larson totally flipped this round now if you can make a basket here what a turnaround for south drone posting up inside but the belt having trouble getting him the ball good ball movement Larson another 3 oh baby he's coming up big in the second half you asked for him to help him out a little bit and he has with 4 3's 4 of his 5 3's here in the second half after missing his first 6 4 of 6 they are taking a 3 but couldn't get it in but again Ash Wabanan comes away with the offensive rebound good defense at time by Marcel Drone and we get a 3 second call on the Pirates I think Marcus Wagner was in there too long 11 offensive rebounds for Ash Wabanan it almost be stunning for south to win with those kinds of stats by Ash Wabanan but they are up right now by 4 south has not committed a foul in the second half 4 fouls on Ash Wabanan see how that plays out as we close free throws might be important kick out to Austin belt his shot is way short get back on defense under 5 minutes Krieger hasn't been a factor the last couple of minutes hopefully we can keep that going Krieger will step back but he couldn't get the shot off good defense by Marcel Drone again Austin Belt hustling on the defense guarding Morgan and Morgan going to the line and he gets fouled on the way they are going to give him 2 shots I believe on Larson Morgan was 2 for 2 in the first half Chris well the defensive intensity is totally different than the first 5 minutes of the game Marty I just think us after last night's win getting started and right now they really picked up the pace the red wings that is yes Wabanan has had a couple of trips playing really good defense not giving salt anything nice to get the go back open for a shot or even drive and get fouled Marcel on a dump down to Kruegel he puts it up and in Lars Kruegel 2 for 2 from the floor 4.5 rebounds give Drone an assist that's long another offensive rebound Krieger and Marcel is going to pick up his fourth and again it all results because of the offensive rebounding by the pirates yeah and it's Marcel's played now 14 and a half minutes without a foul so you can't blame him but right now with the lead I take him out he's looking at the bench coach Shaw says stay out there if I was behind it would probably be different but Krueger looked pretty smooth from the line he's 3 for 3 tonight he's got 17 points go back he's got 17 to lead Salt he's open for just a second from 17 he buries the 2 that's all he needs Marty let's see if the Jaguars go right down at Drone here I would Marcel not following Krieger back off back off Wagner with a little hop before the shot is no good and Larsen tips it away from the Schwabinand player and Goldbeck's got it under 3 minutes and a 4 point lead by the Redwings oh boy just a 15 foul Marty yes Salt like Chris mentioned earlier has only 2 well Nick Larsen coming up big after slow start Immig backs off Josh Goldbeck brings it up across the line Salt in a bit of a stall right now not looking to score Immig right on Goldbeck not letting him get the ball back there you go and they're going to double team him Marcel right through his hands goes off his forehead and out of bounds tough break yes very tough he'll catch that 95% of the time inside feed the shot is no good Kruegel up high to tip it away from Krieger and South comes away with it and another foul that one's going on Christopher Morgan his fourth Ash Schwabinand in that right now Marty Tomaszek coming in checking out is Brady Wittig Perrell coming in and checking out is Morgan I have Ash Schwabinand just 5 hands on a steal by Ash Schwabinand's Wagner tipped it away from Larsen inside to Krieger shot is no good but again Ash Schwabinand comes away with it followed while on the floor will not be a shooting fall 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 oh you have 7 what am I missing here I've got south with 4, 3, 3 pointers and Ash Schwabinand with 3, 3 pointers this half Morgan back in now for the Ash Schwabinand 28% shooting for Ash Schwabinand Kruegel couldn't get back in time and Imig makes him pay with a 3 pointer his first basket of the second half you know as 12 125 left in the ball game south up by only 1 well you don't want to that's not the guy you want to foul you mean this is oh boy you missed one there and he missed one there no they're going to finally call it Tomaszek followed him twice and got called the second time now it's up to Josh to make the free throws once again though it's not a good decision why are you double teaming or trying to follow Golvak let anybody else at the line except for him I think the idea was to get the ball out of his hands he's not going to give it up this is what happened last night he went to the free throw line 18 times because he wouldn't give it up that was point number 20 for Josh out the two point lead good as gold he's at the free throw line no 105 left quick pass Tomaszek shot is no good they're going to call a foul now that really should be after the shot but they won't call it that way I don't agree with that I think he followed him Chris but it was way after the shot just a 47% free throw shooter Marty he's going to have to hit three to tie a lot of game left Marty yeah 101 remaining he's got a sweet stroke big one though we're all tied up at 64 huge mistake by Nick Larsen but it's over and done with now he's got to play the rest of the ball game looks like South wants to maybe just hang on to it how close does he have to be still too far he's going to try to hold it the whole time go back for two 20 go ahead 15 left kick out Tomaszek couldn't get it rebound Belt and he's fouled 11 seconds left Chris Belt was two for two in the first half I'll tell you the guy we haven't heard from the last five minutes almost has been Kyle Krieger Belt this is the big one Marty this will put the game basically away South time out by Ash Wabanan they're going to put the pressure on Austin Belt which I don't think is a good move and you know why I say it's not a good move Marty why is that because if I'm South right now I have three fouls to give use them at least use two of them you use two of them and so you tell your guys if he makes it or misses it let them work it up the floor a little bit you fouled and they got to take it out of bounds again as long as they go backwards to inbound it and then you can follow again by that time you're down to about three or four seconds so if I go Shaw here I am pulling them so the game's over Marty I'll go down and get players then you and Eric can join me here but I think if he makes this we are planning on interviews tonight alright then gonna make this one right here makes it a two possession game if Austin can bury this free throw and he does nothing to this game foul now don't foul foul layup is good what a shot but 5.5 seconds making that basket was Christopher Morgan that was outstanding foul foul out here now you got to inbound it yeah and I am doubling go back let anybody else don't do not try to I would not put anybody on the ball I double go back let anybody else catch it and follow immediately that took him 5.5 seconds to get down the floor that was exactly half the time that was left because it was 11 seconds when Belk made that second free throw we've had a good one here tonight that's who we talked about in the opening you know the teams didn't have stellar records by any means but being as close as they were in the standings and record wise you know we figured it would be a good ball game Salt did an excellent job of battling back now with the win Salt will finish 7th in the league for a team that's very very young they will miss guys like Belt and Larson all those guys and that's what they're going to do they're going to double go back Krugel too for that matter see I wouldn't even guard Marcel I'd be up but of course he catches the ball I mean how are you going to stop a guy like that I mean he's so quick with three guys on it the point of I don't know what Morgan was doing there standing on the opposite side he's got to be he should have been towards the Ashwabin on bench poor decision there another factor another old fashioned one-on-one you got to make the first to get the second and he does see Salt I'm not going to say anything about the free throws and he gets them both it's a two possession game shot at the buzzer is no good it's out the winner 70 to 66 won't go too far we'll be back and have a couple interviews for you tonight against Manitowoc thanks for coming out to tonight's ball game everyone please drive home safely there's a lot of tree branches and dry brush over here we should probably move the bonfire over there I'm guessing Smokey like that idea hey you getting that college education what are you going to do graduate and take some office job be like everybody else or you dare do something different like be a teacher you could be my teacher you got the skills the smarts yes you you could be the teacher I never forget that would be cool does that corporate job even have recess what are you going to make of yourself what are you going to make of me morning Gary we are GetSchooled.com you want a college education don't you you know you do that's why we're here we're free and here to guide you through every step of the way starting with attendance Gary financial aid forms college man you and us go together like tacos and Tuesday and I love tacos go to GetSchooled.com we're back at South High School with Josh Govec and Nick Larsen a couple of the team members from the winning South High team that came back from being down in the first half by 11 points Josh we'll start with you we'll finish with the senior Josh you had 25 points and a little bit slow in the first half only 11 what made the difference for you in the second half I mean I think just staying aggressive and staying confident as the game went on I knew I was struggling a little bit but I wasn't going to let me that I wasn't going to let that slow me down at all it seemed like at the end of the game I didn't want to get the ball out of your hands and then they didn't want to let it back they did a pretty good job of that I thought in the first half what was different in the second half my guys my teammates started making plays and then they couldn't focus on me so much so once once other guys start making plays they got to look at them too and it frees me up one of the things that Chris and I talk a lot about up in the booth is Marcel Drone and he's a difference maker in terms of being a presence in the middle and he can score a little bit shorter said he can block a shot what kind of a difference does he make for you guys when you're on the floor he's huge it's so nice having a big guy that can just own the paints and can be a presence down there he stopped their big guy from scoring he got a bunch of rebounds for us and that's a huge difference that's what we were lacking he makes up for that all right Chris it's your turn they came out on fire what was the game plan today they must have been must something in your scouting report that they make a lot of threes yeah so we started out in our zone just like shading on the shooters 22 and 5 but once they got hot we had to switch to the triangle and deny them and hope they get the ball as little as possible yeah Marty mentioned that you guys would kind of empty the bag of tricks now you've had a bunch of defenses tonight constantly changing it up I think that hassled them a little bit yeah it's a good mix up so they can't just keep running the same thing the whole game getting open shots now you've had a crazy year this year and you know this was another one of those games as a three-point shooter you know you didn't make any in the first half and things are going and next thing in the second half bang bang bang it's it's got it just got to go with it huh yeah I've learned from earlier games this year I kind of got a little discouraged if I didn't make any in the first half but I've gotten a little bit better at staying focused in the locker room going out to the second half yeah you know you miss some you just got to keep shooting it that's kind of how it works yeah I'm a big three-point shooter probably my best thing you just got to keep staying confident and hoping the ball goes in the hoop now I know it's probably not the you know the best year for you guys you know you obviously would like a better record but you played much better against Southwest last week you got to win yesterday got a win today a little streak so you know Marty always said you want to play your best basketball in February and over the last 10 days or so you guys have been playing pretty well I know it wasn't a win against Southwest but you are right there yeah I'm really hoping that we can ride the Manitowoc hopefully to get another win Marty anything else for these boys yeah I got one more thing here for Josh it has to do with your tournament game coming up and Chris just mentioned it that Manitowoc is your next opponent first game of the tournaments they beat North a week or so ago what do you guys have to do to beat Manitowoc I mean they obviously had something going against the North Siders I mean I think it's big that we got the game at home that's going to be a big difference with our fans coming out with energy we got to be working hard and just disrupting everything alright well good luck with that boys thanks for coming out congratulations on the win and good luck in the tournaments with that for the crew and my partner Chris Wright I'm Mike Martin saying thanks for watching everybody and we'll see you down the road


The Anambra State Governorship Election is a week away, but what dominates in headlines isn't the strength of the candidates, it's the safety of voters and the security of the vote. This is mostly as a result of the sit-atum ordered by the indigenous people of Biafra and what many fear could happen. Destiny more and more tells us more. All eyes are on Anambra State as the home for all goes to the polls to elect a new governor on November the 6th. There are fears of voter apathy at best and some violence at worst. The fears are not unfounded owing to how people who had defied previous seat-at-home orders given by the indigenous people of Biafra, IPUB, had been attacked. The group has issued another order to coincide with the Anambra vote but the State Commissioner for Information says there is no need to be worried. The public relations officer of the Anambra State Police Command informs that necessary measures have been taken to ensure the safety of all voters. We have been moving in new strategies to tackle emerging threats as the situation is unfolding. For us what we know is that action will hold and we are ready to provide adequate security to everybody. Mr Adinubar says Anambra is not as troubled as some states in Northern Nigeria where elections still take place. We held elections in 2019 and after the local government elections in Burunu, we had two helicopters and it got down. We have had elections in Zamfara, in Cassina, in Ayuba. These are areas which was called endemic security crisis and elections were free and fair. With just a week away, the police headquarters are not leaving anything to chance. Two Deputy Inspectors-General of Police and five Assistant Inspectors-General have been deployed to Anambra State in addition to thousands of officers that will be on the ground to ensure the government election is peaceful. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Success, no doubt, means different things to different people. For some people, success is getting to the peak of the career. For others, it is the ability to afford whatever they need. While for some others, it is the ability to provide for their family. But in general, success can be seen as whatever gives you the feeling of accomplishment. Climbing to the top of the success ladder is quite tricky. However, remaining there is more laborious. Reaction habits can hinder you from not just being successful but also staying successful. And in this video, I will be showing you 9 of such bad habits that you must drop if you ever want to be successful and stay successful. 1. Reacting based on only emotions Have you ever looked back at a terrible decision you made and asked yourself, what was I thinking? Well, chances are you acted solely on emotions. Emotions certainly play an essential role in influencing a person's choices. 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Will you please tell us your name and a little bit about you so we can get to know you a little bit better, please? Sure. My name is Tracy Dokes. I am a graduate of engineering school here in North Carolina. I won't say which one. I'm very, very proud of it. Currently, I am the CEO of MCNC, which provides high-speed fiber across the state. And prior to that, I was the state CIO working in the governor's cabinet. And so I am, you know, married two kids and particularly focused on my black son. Okay. And so do you have concerns about your children? How old are they?  So my daughter is 25. And so she just graduated law school, so she'll be out.  And my son is 20, and he goes to NC State. So he is on campus currently, and a very heavy studier of society, socialism, all of the things that we take for granted, and his generation looks at in a different way, certainly from a different perspective. And yeah, I do worry about both of them very much. So I have known you for maybe 10, 11 years, and I have seen your career grow exponentially. You were a senior leader at Duke Health. You said about your time at state and now in MCNC. Can you tell us how is it that you have been able to be so successful, and what have you had to let go, and what have you had to gain in order to maintain that success? So I attribute my success, besides all of the normal attributes that you would expect as base foundational, right? But it really is networking, my network.  And so my reputation for me has been everything. And every job I've gotten for the last, I don't know, 20 years has been by word of mouth, not by me applying for something. And yeah, it's been by somebody knowing my reputation and asking them if I'm interested. And so that's the way, yeah, the last 20 years or so, my opportunities have come about, but it had everything to do with my network. It's tough in Research Triangle Park to be in a network that at least used to be predominantly men, but women, particularly in technology, we are starting to grow and build our own network so that we can also hire people that look and smell like us too, and kind of get away from the such a minority of women and people of color in technology. The thing that I had to let go was my ego. So I've had some really tough experiences in my journey that I won't lie that hurt me deeply, but shaped me greatly. Where I knew I was clearly being sidelined, but my ego wouldn't let me go down. So I just kept fighting and fighting and fighting. And I think at some point that kind of energy that you're expending can be negative to your spirit. It really can be. And you have to figure that out early, sooner than late, so that you can say, okay, this is not the right place for me. I need to make a change for my spirit in order for me to continue to be a good person and someone that is moving forward. So, and that's a different thing to get rid of your ego. It really is.  And the ego that kind of keeps us, you know, when we feel like we're being discounted, that we want to fight, we want to know, I'm going to show you. And a lot of times it's not about them, just to release them and either create your own thing or find out where else you might be welcome so that you can make a change. And I think that was one of the hardest things for me to do is to be discounted and allowing my ego to just fall by the wayside. And it was good for me to do that. And I think that your success in doing that is probably attributed to the success you have now. But I will tell you, as a Black woman, 45, 46 plus years of experience, never been, never missed a deadline, never had a project coming in time.  So I've let my ego go a long time ago. You know, I'm done with it. You know, the labels that are attributed to me, okay, that's what you think of me. I can't worry myself about that. But the key is how do people like you and others see what's happening to Black and Brown people.  I think that's really an important thing because, you know, it's sort of like some of us get so high up, we forgot how we got there and you don't look back down to see all the people shoulders you stood on to get where you are. Yeah, and I stay very connected to the people who got me where I am from the person in college that knew that I was struggling to feed myself and found a little part-time job for me. I still know that person and I interact with her. And when she needed help a few years back, I helped her because it was the right thing to do and because I remembered that someone did that for me. She gave me a chance and she did many other things that she did that really helped me significantly as I was trying to learn and grow with a whole bunch of obstacles in my way. As well as today, I spend a lot of time with other nonprofits that are female-based or female and people of color because I think it's important. I remember feeling isolated in college because of the predominantly male-oriented groups and cliques that congregated together and so as a female, it's hard to break into those things and so there's a several organizations. So there's one called Corral Riding Academy out in Cary and it is a horse farm and they do equine therapy for at-risk girls, mainly girls of color and they start at middle age. A lot of these girls have come from very abusive homes, not very supportive communities around them and the job of the mission for this group is to help change that for them and their families. And I sit on the board of that group. I talk to the girls, I volunteer there so that they can see that there is a way out of there, that there's somebody that looks and smells like them that is different and is doing something different and I think that's really important. I spoke at their graduation this year so that I could get an expanded group of girls. Some of it was on-site but most of it was online and really trying to get more donors for the mission of that group so that they could continue to educate and support our girls throughout the summer when they had nothing to do. A lot of them didn't even have high-speed internet access so that usually smells, spells trouble for girls like that and keeping those summer programs up and keeping them engaged so they also don't get behind when everyone else is starting school. That's just one example. Sue Harnett who does rewriting the code is very, very focused on STEM girls across the country and having a tribe and a network even if it's across the U.S. and I believe Canada so that there is a connection between each girl and some companies that help support and fund some of the work that they do. It's been tough for them this year because of COVID a lot of those girls lost their internships and offers were rescinded so you know being able to come back and try to inspire the girls to hold on and to encourage other companies to you know as they're getting back on their feet to remember that those internships that went away to make sure they find a way to get those back and the offers that were rescinded so I do spend time in nonprofits that are focused on those things. Does your network also include just people who you know in STEM, areas? No, no not at all and I think that's important. One there's just not that many of us right and two the I think we're getting stronger but all the power is not ours yet. Will it ever be? I don't know. I don't know in our lifetime but it is certainly spreading out a little more than it has which I'm thankful but I will say I do get tapped a lot for stuff. It's like well would you be interested in this would you and it's almost like and I get it you know it's like whoa she's a black woman and she's doing stuff and black lives matter and we're trying to be diverse and how about we and it's like I don't have that kind of time and there's plenty of other people out here that have the time the inclination the energy to do that. That's the thing that I struggle with a little bit is oh there's one let me you know tap into that one so I do think we need to publicize ourselves more so they don't just see one or two of us. Interesting so I have a question might be an uncomfortable question but do you think that you are still in the working environment still a black woman or are you simply just a woman?  I'm known for being able to manage services build new services cost structures new models for how you cost recover costs I know that that was a major part of why I was hired but I don't think anybody can neglect the fact that I'm a black woman I just don't think in this instance I was hired because I was one now what I will say about the state um Governor Cooper had the most diverse cabinet in the history of North Carolina and that was truly amazing to be a part of that and the strength in numbers and in how you know it was like normal conversation but most of us were um that actually um the white male was the minority in the cabinet so it was a very big conversation particularly when we got to Black Lives Matter and how we wanted to handle that and how the governor supported us in the way that we did it. Excellent so you mentioned Black Lives Matter tell me what that means to you when you hear that phrase. I put you this way it should always matter and it's a sad day when we have to get megaphones out and remind people or to tell people that that hurts me to my soul that we are at that place um for someone who has a black son that has always mattered Black Lives have always mattered to me because I've always seen discrimination bigotry coming from a really small town in the valley that happened to me all the time it was not new so I watched the work through and maneuvered navigated through um a world like that my whole life and I think it's gotten way more violent and way more visible um I'm probably more violent first and more prevalent and then more visible and um it hurts it hurts every time I see a new um incident that's come about I worry for my son but you know getting pulled over something happening because he's he's down for the cause he's got the dreadlocks he is very very um the civil rights oriented and has no shame in his game about talking about that very vocally he also understands because his sister is a lawyer what his rights are and will be to say that but that still doesn't mean that he can't get hurt so that that that scares me for him my husband you know by my uh my brother uh it just and and I've gotten to the point now and I hate to say it I hate to say this publicly but it's true the George Floyd video I could not watch it hurt me so so much though so much as a mother and hearing that he was calling out for his own that could be my son that could be my son and so um Black Lives Matter is so important I just I'm just struggling to see a change now for my son's generation and my daughter's generation what I will say is when they interview for jobs their first question is which diversity look like can I see your numbers and my daughter when she was searching for law firms that was what she wanted to know so I do think there's a generation coming that is not going to settle and they're going to be a little pickier about um where they're going to go because they're want they want to go where they know they have a chance and they want to be able to use that opportunity to reach back and so for my daughter for example pro bono work was really important to her because she works on the innocence project and she wanted to be able to continue to do that so you've got a generation of people that are coming up that look at things much differently and it's not just I um for them they they want to live the life they want to live the life of diversity not just trying to find pockets where there is diversity if that makes sense yes yeah well I I would just tell you so when I think about Black Lives Matter um I think I feel a little bit differently than you do probably because I'm much older than you are but but I will say you know like I think Black Lives Matter and I often give this analogy the way Black Lives are in America and maybe globally I can't say I don't know what other countries are doing but it's like you call there's a house on fire you call the fire department the fire department arrives on the street and they start pouring water on all the houses they're not on fire they're just sitting there and the house over here that's on fire it's going to burn to the ground and when that house is burnt to the ground there you go so you know I am not optimistic I like you have a son too I have a son who has had a chronic health condition ever since he was about 15 or 16 years old I don't know he remember exactly when and so my son is extremely affable he's pleasant he's easy to get along with he's not controversial in fact he would prefer to be away from you than with you so you know when he started going to college you know we'd have these conversations you know like tell us as soon as you get there tell us when you where you're going you know monitoring him you know almost like a helicopter parent for a man you know start trying to make sure you know and he's constantly telling me nothing is going to happen to him and I'm I'm willing to bet many of those young men who died Terry Ron's Martin mother probably thought nothing would ever happen to him she probably thought but that wasn't gonna happen you know and the fact that we live in a space where as black parents we're constantly cautioning our children on how to survive in a world where we're almost invisible so when I asked you the question earlier were you a woman or a black woman in your role at MCNC because to me it's hard to break that part because you know those little things that go on behind your voice those subtle comments you know those little little subtle actions that remind you that you are who you are and and it also goes back to the other thing when I asked you you know I mean like so what you said about your charity work is absolutely wonderful but for the women that you know like me how many of us have you remembered and where we have what we've done in the tribute and to me that's what Black Lives Matter means that you are advocating for someone who you know now if the person is a total goofball I get it don't no skin in the game I'm not not put my name on anything but from those in middle and school all the way up to people who have been in a career like me for 40 some years we're still struggling to be accepted heard and not be invisible and so every time I I see something on LinkedIn about you you almost look like a woman you never look like a black woman it's like you're a woman and so obviously your skin color defines you're a black woman you look like a black woman and all that stuff you know I'm sure you know how to code switch and you're talking and all that stuff you know all the things that we have black people know how to do but yet and still Black Lives Matter to someone I don't think we matter to ourselves as much as we matter to white folks because you know you could walk down the street and this is my first walk down the street and speak to a black woman she put her head down and I didn't acknowledge you you know or she'll call someone call me a woman called me the other day she said I've been unemployed since this thing started can you help me get a job I knew I met this woman once I didn't know whether she could do the job or not I picked up the phone and I called somebody she had a job the next day yeah that's an unusual experience that's not the common experience it's not but I will tell you now that hiring people has been probably my number one priority for the last few years black people black people people of color or women or both and so for example I met a young lady on Facebook she was talking there was on one of the triangle black owned businesses sites and she was talking about uh I guess she was asking does anybody have an opportunity out there okay that bold let me send her a note back and uh we went out for coffee the next day and she had a job as my executive assistant within two weeks and she was the absolute best assistant who wants to get into it so for her that was kind of uh getting in the door and then I had people mentoring her across the different technologies so she could get a feel for where she might want to fit then there have been other women that I have hired sometimes they already have jobs but I think they'd be really good um and somewhere else especially if if we were working together as a you know as a leadership team uh and then there are others that I will recommend to other people and I do that a lot I do that quite a bit now my only downside of that is so as the state cio hired a lot of people who came to work with and for me and leaving has been really tough for them and uh and now they're all asking well is there going to be a place for me where you are is there going to be a place for me where you are and and you know it's just reminding people you also have to stand on your own two feet um I had to make a choice that was good for me and my family uh but you're going to be okay and I'm going to be here and so I'm having you know zoom cocktails with them so they can ask me questions and feel supported as we move through this and and stay connected in case another opportunity comes up that I might be able to pick up the phone and say hey so and so they are good people how about we connect her with that and do this and so um I absolutely have used my journey experience expertise and reputation to do that excellent absolutely we have we have about five minutes so I'm going to leave the remainder of the time for you for any comments or thoughts or things we do not cover you wish to share um I think uh you know as stem but we call it people in stem people of color in stem women in stem at some point it's all going to be stem and then if you add the a which is the art part right and then and then it's steam but technology is everywhere it's in everything we do it's in my refrigerator it's in my car it's in everything you do now and I think it's just so pervasive that eventually it is going to open up the world for lots of people to be um what's considered stem because it just goes across everything I see it in farming I see it in of course manufacturing it's always been there that's where I started um I see it in odd places that you wouldn't normally see it and so what I tell people is don't be afraid of your journey because it may take you somewhere you hadn't intended but it's the right place for you to go. Thank you so much for chatting with me.