inclined and you know some people are more inclined to audible cues and then some people just basically go off vibes and it feels like the whole tone versus what you actually say is just I don't know a feature of people who are more inclined to like judge you based on your tone. The saying is something like you won't remember what you said or remember how you made them feel. Yeah that's yeah that probably cuts more to it how how you made them feel is like the most important part because then you have those conversations where it's like dude did you hear what I said like you know your reaction does not align with what I've said but it aligns with the tone that you pulled from it right um and I guess I guess that might just be a matter of um optics at that point um if you you know in the same way there's that Oscar Wilde quote right of like you know you tell I kind of butcher this one but it's along the lines of if you're going to tell people the truth you've got to be funny or they'll kill you essentially so it's like you know the George Carlin stick of making an observation that's true but he'd get in a lot more trouble for it if he hadn't been funny about it um and so that's almost like developing tactics for how to get your points across most effectively how should you approach it should you swear here should you dial it in should you try and be comedic and coax it in comedy and that's part of the skill of uh I guess communicating and conveying information very context sensitive who you're speaking to as well and where I guess uh yeah naturally like um you know you're not going to get into a heated debate I don't know like if your mum walks in and you know you know I really enjoyed um I really enjoyed um Sean Chi it's like oh holy shit all right so what do you think about the dragons from the other dimension you fucking like you know that's not gonna play out very well well yeah I imagine you guys are all the same as me in real life when someone just says like oh yeah fucking TLJ master oh yeah I'm getting into fights with people about like these movies you might have a difficult time convincing the afghans about the plight of the homosexual it might be uh it takes some work but in a more no I just gotta like it's try it I love it have you tried have you tasted it taste the first give it a go first two scoops or one I guess it's really lame to think about though that um that whether or not you're correct is uh I wouldn't even say secondary but tertiary to how you communicate it you know the fact that you're correct might make them upset well you know yeah I guess it's it's just um debate tactics and stuff like that and rhetorical tactics are often really significant in terms of being able to convince people of something rather than I don't yeah I don't I don't know that human beings could be described as rational in the way that a robot is where they just be presented with the arguments is like well I've weighed up the arguments and this is the more compelling one of the two well yeah I mean um lawyers right like it's not about presenting the evidence necessarily it's how you present it um what you say I mean of course it's the evidence as well but you're right there is uh there is an element yeah yeah right um or necessarily I think is what I said but it's like a lot of people would just say that uh like Johnny Cochran is the reason that OJ got off right uh frango well yeah I guess um right like the the idea that you can have one key piece of information presented in a way that is um almost overriding yeah he um because I think people spoke like a preacher and he would be very emotionally appealing um well yeah because emotional appeals and stuff that's that's part of the you know that's that's a fact on the job um because ultimately you are appealing to people who are going to be making these decisions um but I don't know that there's any changing that except to have robots again like make these decisions maybe that's the best way to run law for now and the robot prosecute and robot defense and you can only plug in evidence I feel like you wouldn't even need a robot anything you just have one computer that just weighs everything you know I mean they are the the nature of the they have suits and everything they're not yeah one suggesting is the nature of the way that they're created means that they cannot use rhetoric they can only use right they can only present facts I guess it's interesting because at school we did uh in English we would have um when we uh talked about um I think they called it exposition that's what they called the specific topic and it was a lot of it was about presentation how do you how do you create an argument that is convincing I mean it's part it's part of what debating is right you get assigned the um I mean like you know competitive debating like in school and stuff you would be assigned the subject and so your job is to simply present the most compelling argument for that side regardless of whether you believe it or not um that that that is a that's a focus of um of a lot of uh of a lot of people's lives essentially these things I think I mentioned before like I remember doing that for the death penalty I had to argue in favor of it and I like won easily but I remember feeling like the amount of emotional arguments you can make so easy um the audience that just weighs based on that I remember god I remember there was uh because I did that debate um but I didn't take it very seriously like uh because they had the meet the the meetings to figure it out during lunchtime and a lot of the time I'd be like fuck I want to like I want to hang out with my friends I don't want to I don't want to do that um and then there was the one time when we had the debate I can't remember what the topic was but I remember I got awarded the best speaker for that one and the reason cited was it seemed like you didn't know what you were talking about but you still made a really like you know that it came across like you didn't quite know what you were talking about but you still presented all of these arguments and I remember just sitting there like yeah I didn't I didn't do any prep the reason why you think it was that way is because it was that way it didn't do any that was that was praise that they presented it was it was praise because it seemed like I get why it's praise I hadn't prepared shit but I'd still gotten up there and done the presentation um I think that's uh I think that's um why I got like there was no prep but I still got up there and presented the arguments anyway um the the rest of the people were not happy I could tell that even as a little 11 year old me that the uh the other people were not happy about um that fact that I got that little award it feels a little it feels a little shit though that like even as a kid you could observe that people have pissed that you won something yeah I was gonna say oh no no no I meant the parents I meant I meant like the adult I noticed that the adults weren't happy about that oh okay like they they trained their kid a whole bunch and they worked with them a lot and this little lazy ass they saw that they weren't taught but then I just yeah a little bit the rags already knows the truth of this situation I didn't win for no reason there was a reason cited like I said I mean if the reason includes it seemed like you didn't know what you're talking about like I think it was it seemed like you hadn't done any prep that might have been the uh the actual compliment were there multiple awards not one of them because I would wonder about that was the award for speaker of the night yeah I would contest that if I was one of the judges I'd be like why the fuck are we rewarding the kid who didn't do any prep well if you didn't do any prep but you still put up really good arguments yeah fuck that that shouldn't be the only thing that matters um well it might not be the only thing that matters but it's like a really interesting contributor I just I would be concerned that we are setting a precedent that people be like wait so the prep doesn't even fucking like why do we bother with that uh yeah I guess but I mean you can't be taken that award from me you know like what's up what's up in given it the little big goblin wins because of its charm my opening presentation was not it's funny it didn't start with that that's a new shit you know it's funny god I can't even remember what the topic was um damn was it like only fans yay or nay no this was well before that era AOL fans I saw somebody chat say most capable sophist that probably would have been the app's way to describe what I did essentially wouldn't necessarily be sophistry right it could just be that you lacked bonus information yeah maybe depends on what kind of argument you're making I guess well I think I think it's just the thing of um I like a presentation style where it doesn't seem like you did a shit ton of prep I like it when it seems like you're not reading directly from a script and that it is almost as though you got up walked on stage and just relayed a bunch of thoughts that you had as opposed to the very tightly structured um like here's your topic you're on now go um more conversational I think is what I mean uh it doesn't yeah I don't know at the speech yeah I don't I don't like structured debates myself really I just want two people no I don't need that not anymore I want people to just get up there and talk yeah I don't like the whole you have two minutes and you have two minutes because if you say something that's stupid or that I disagree with I want to jump in straight away and I would expect the same if I said something stupid or disagreeable I got two minutes to spout out whatever shit I want well yeah because it's basically just gish galloping like there's a format yeah I still watch all kinds of debates these days and a lot of them I would say vast majority run the format of opening statement that can be a cap of five minutes and then free form and every time they do it I'm like the opening five minutes for both of you fucking waste of time because they're just gonna say a bunch of stuff that neither of you will leave an address you'll just go straight into the first argument as soon as it's free form well yeah I think I think a better way to do it would be state your position in like 20 seconds um don't don't have too much time I don't want you making arguments I want you stating your position so we know exactly where we stand and then we'll go from there there's a lot of people are there it's there's an irony I think I was about to say a lot of people are there really need caps and I feel like so we'll be like oh you're saying that I'd be like I am way more straightforward in an argument than I am in my videos because my videos are making billions of arguments pretty much I think the problem is I've watched too many debates where some guy talks for like five or ten minutes straight um and then the other person tries to respond they cut them off and then they go on another five to ten minute ramble yeah there's there's all kinds of that shit that happens and it's frustrating that's how we just want two people to focus focus focus focus well yeah go point by point um and I guess part of it as well is that when you have these debates on like on streaming platforms there's a uh an audience as well that people are gonna play to whereas you'd rather not have that uh ideally it is two people having a good fake discussion with one another but be rare these days yeah well yeah it's it's a it's a whole industry a whole industry well I mean yeah I'm assuming what you mean by that is the it's almost like beneficial to not do it that way um beneficial to everybody involved in a certain sense yeah um I guess it's the whole thing of ideally a debate is where you're trying to convince the other side but that's kind of not what it is you're basically trying to convince the audience yeah it sucks that it's not necessarily the information that's provided it's rhetorically usually like who came out looking stronger there often yeah um yeah like it's like wwe or something you know as opposed to weighing up the arguments the sides are already pegged for everybody there's the size of the audience that it's like I'm not sure about this one man there's not enough of those well I think we need to be more comfortable with accepting we don't know I think we need to become more accustomed to saying I don't know what yeah no I know how crazy is that don't you have an opinion on everything about that for you is I think people would vote this to be the last fucking podcast that would have made that point and it's like no no seriously I feel like we try really hard to stay in our lane well no I just think people have such crazy misconceptions about what we do here right what that there's like a lack of introspection when this is just commonly every frame and introspection the fact that like most people who hate this podcast will be like yeah they basically just spend the whole time seeing how right they are about everything it's like okay when a lot of the time you see us basically questioning our own perspective halfway through we're gonna argue with each other all the time we have constantly have to re-question things we've said were definitely true before because we're like wait a minute argue with ourselves all the time as well even when we're starting to be like wait no I don't agree with that and ironically one of the greatest tools you can have for your own self-growth is arguing with yourself oh I mean I think it's I think that uh I don't know that you arrive at a really good position if you don't often say what if I'm wrong about like everything everything I believe you know what and then try to figure out underlying principles and then battle them out with yourself try to find any um you know gaps in the um and the plating that need patching up you know any issues that need sorting out or even a whole part that needs replacing that's true but I don't always find that what if I'm wrong about everything is the necessarily the easiest way to like to enter that from is like you're entering a certain zone of thought there and I think you can enter it from a lot of different directions and thinking what if I'm wrong about all of this is only one of them what he was talking about wasn't necessarily you'd question every single thing it's the you draw no I know it means I'm like yeah what I what I mean is like um let's say that you are I don't know let's say that you have a take on uh I'm trying to pick something that's not contentious because I want to get to what I wanted to say before you get to an example was literally just going to be whatever you're currently concluding on you go let me draw that back to fit principles exactly matches yeah I do guess like yeah but it's like a lot of it is uh I was going through loads of examples is like no I guess you can sort of you can you can bring that back to it is what if I'm wrong it's like well what if that is this a contradiction within my values no that's just another way of saying no what what if I'm wrong yeah that's what he meant I think you know yeah and that's and well that's what I'm realizing as I was thinking this through I was realizing no I am wrong about this is that yeah there are lots of different angles you can come at it from but most of them essentially boil down to what if I'm wrong um yeah I guess an example would be let's say I don't know let's say you have the take lobbying is bad um just as a broad principle lobbying is bad um you couldn't stick to a comic book movie example you had to go to politics okay yeah no we'll go the problem is it's like I don't know what the underlying principle is gonna be for why I could I could do if you like three is bad yeah you you say okay yeah let's let's do that yeah Iron Man no um can I do that I've got a great example just waiting in the wings Captain America Civil War is bad um and then you've just arrived at this conclusion and then you sit down and go what do I think about the comic have I read it have I not and if I have does that color my perspective on this also who have I spoken to about this what information have I been exposed to about this um this film and from where what do I like and then you just start working backwards to go well hang on why do I think this because I've become so sure that I'm correct on this one but why do I think it and then once you work back from fundamentals you can then build up to realize whatever your position should be and maybe it's the same one maybe it's not we are never gonna finish super chats oh we already knew that anyway so okay I do my one now okay I've got a great one it's contemporary too so when we go it would be bad if Dark Oak slash Toby McGuire's Spider-Man if they were out of character and that's the way we're all just like yep and then he's like introspect a little there you usually draw it from sequels right is this necessarily because of multiverse like what kind of limits we're dealing with here how would this be rated if Toby were completely different and so with dr r dr octopus could it not be that they're drawn from multiverse and therefore you can't complain about that continuity wise like well one of our principles for defining that sort of thing is the whole idea with a sequel is it draws on you're expected to have information from the prior one to understand it and so it has to adhere to that information it can't contradict it but then could it still do that because it's multiverse and thus you rely on that information but this is a variant version so it's just tell like like the information is that it's that it is dark arc it is the guy from the ramy films but he's gonna be a little bit different because he's just a different version the multiverse version is that okay or is it not and like to be fair I don't fully have the answer this until I've seen the film because I need to see what they do and how they do it and what it's said to be um because it's really difficult at this point because adaptation versus sequel this is testing the limits of that at this point yeah so yeah trying to figure out why you have the yeah meanwhile uh high top has said like if he's a bad guy it's a bad film like oh okay yeah like you've accepted you've accepted something that it might be worthwhile to think wait hold on this is not just like a guaranteed thing this is not a definite conclusion to draw it it multiverse makes everything fucking complicated yeah yeah that's a better example that is brand new why because I genuinely have that question of myself I think about I'm just like how would I break that down with how I usually do things like this causes issues for me because I'm assuming as well we haven't seen Toby in a while well you you know they might they might make it so you know what if he's like Punisher Spider-Man which is like whoa what and everyone would be really upset because Toby ain't supposed to be like a Punisher Spider-Man at the same time is that a possibility because yeah multiverse I guess all of this is highlighting the point though that you're never gonna have it fully figured out um ever they'll always be like a new example but well I think that is the fun but it can be too easy to assume that you've reached the end point of this development on uh on any given topic um but it's always worthwhile to remember that there might be new information or things you haven't been exposed to arguments um information and that it's always a matter of rigorously testing your principles or positions or um metrics um methodology that there's always room for improvement that there is never an end point where it's like I am done developing as a person on any particular thing unless you're Captain Marvel right and then you're perfect and best is straight away this is funny I'm doing it literally right now I'm like so I hate uh Luke and TLJ because we didn't see what turned him into who he was meanwhile I like Luke in Return of the Jedi because we he goes through all of the trauma in Empire then there's a gap and we see the character that resulted from that like we we have all of the pieces to follow that piece of continuity all there was was a gap for him to just recover that's like how I've rated it but then last time I saw Andrew Garfield Spider-Man he'd lost Gwen and he'd essentially like lost her after betraying Captain Stacey's request and so that's affected him significantly I don't like Tasman too I'm doing my best here um he's it's the kind of thing that would affect someone significantly and so as a writer what would you be allowed to do if you skip forward 10 years could I portray him as having lost investment in being Spider-Man it's like maybe that's too far could we at least do he's more nihilistic about it all what if he lost that fight with Rhino and Rhino like killed a whole bunch of people or something and that's that's the idea you want to go with as a writer and then you're like what does that do to a person what would it do to Andrew Garfield Spider-Man and people wouldn't want to see him having lost faith but what if we have it so that he's pulled in and he's like I don't fucking do this shit and Toby and Tom are like what why and he you know they have a whole thing about that and you could easily have that be a strong dynamic and by the end he's he's you know much more enthusiastic about it and maybe something happens because he decides to put his life on the line you know you can make all these different stories and it's like what would be valid considering what's happened in his films but does that matter if it's multiverse could it just be that that's the way I want it to be and that's all I have to say is justifications like hmm right yeah just don't assume that the conclusion you come to straight away based on a gut feeling is worth anything just because it was the first thing you thought it might be that the first thing you thought was stupid or not that it's stupid but that there's missing information there are missing pieces maybe the gut feeling is correct but how you're articulating it right now is missing important information yeah we usually we draw it back to see if it matches core principles if it doesn't it's like is this core principle fucked or yeah if I made a mistake and something else you know and that can lead you to get some new principles that are even better alternatively you can ignore that and just have these contradictory beliefs well I just go from intuition I don't like Doc Ock being evil bad bad movie and it's funny because now it could you know like I hate the whole context thing like mean for me from the beginning and I'm sure you guys would agree let us let us see the context first it's like Dr. Strange has been character assassinated done it's like what if it's Mephisto well it's like oh Mephisto like well yeah you don't know you don't know it's a trailer like I don't know and also what if it's a lie what if it's a lie line that they put in there to trick you like even with trailer two it's not what I would call reassuring but we don't know trailer two has clearly have manipulated footage at it well yeah I mean well yeah the Marvel movies as a whole just do that right like infinity well remember whole yeah infinity wolf remember the last two with that well I don't know I don't want to I don't know I don't know if I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know if I'm gonna put on my conspiracy glasses this hard but like I almost feel that I mean have we talked about the Brazilian trailer here well we're gonna probably talk about it more on uh I did get murdered well don't worry rags it'll be fun if you don't know we'll do it on Saturday okay yeah well I guess my conspiracy might be I wonder if they did that on purpose I doubt it so that people would get so that people would just be like so that people would know well I don't want to rule it out that's why I said I doubt it um but it could be one guy in Brazil Sony who's like I'm gonna let this one shot stretch just a little bit too long well somebody's somebody's gone even further to identify that one of the shots in the trailer lines up with that leaked Andrew Garfield shot in terms of the placement of our railing and light so well you know what it is right everybody on fucking planet earth is like I know they'll be in it and then simultaneously they're like can I please have proof now yeah exactly and it's like you know I I swear they're not in it it's like I know they are but I just want you to say that they are well I'm just imagining the world now where they're not in it and it's like regardless one of them imagine like how much disappointment in the world there would be yeah that would be a lot it wouldn't matter how good your movie is it would be so fucking pissed that you bring in dark arc and Greek goblin but not tell people quiet as well um on top of that I mean what people also haven't don't seem to have considered is that what if they are in it but like their involvement isn't big enough to constitute their like display on the poster or in the trailer they're there technically in the movie what it could literally be the the moon the biggest way that I could see that happening is they pop up right at the end and then it's like we're gonna be in the next one and like that's the that's the essentially that's the hook for the next spider-man film is that now these other two are here and then it would make perfect sense not to show them any of the trailers or the poster because you don't want to get people hyped for them being in this film because this isn't this is the film where it's like hey they're around now I feel like there's much more cynical in that jay they would totally market them even if they're running it for five seconds I mean look at rhino look at what they did with rhino he's in the film for like right at the end and the trailer cuts off with the end of the movie like that's some shit we didn't like wow you are an asshole I remember when that came out everyone was pissed it was on the poster that's one of the things that it's one of those things on the pile of why people hate tasm to more even though I think the first one's worse dude totally totally I don't even electro man don't you know my name's electro I can't resist seeing the yms edit with a little barrio oh man what a ride spider man has been you know yeah I do wonder if they're gonna use that music in the mario movie dude I wonder what the soundtrack for this movie is gonna be um oh they might have yeah they might have um the the themes from the other films I would be surprised if they didn't actually it'd be cool to hear the dark oak theme from the ramy films yeah do it and then I guess what would be the tasm theme sorry I hope they're not doing the he hates me oh dude I would fucking include it that's that's that's what he's famous for I know I trolled here it's so cool how something can go from like hated and cringed to like cringing kind of beloved because it's so stupid and shit I'm just I'm kind like how you had like the batwoman fighting theme the one in the show is crap but then like an actual fan made a re-edit of it that sounded like good so but the thing is wouldn't it be fucking amazing if it like you know in the portal scene for red game batwoman comes through and they have a small section of the fight where she's fighting and it's just that shitty theme we would all be laughing our fucking asses off of that yeah you play like this ethical cashier music you know you got like portals and then all of a sudden do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do and then it comes right back it's amazing you know it'd be like if you had the battle of home's deep music and it just cuts the battle and she's fighting some wars it's perfectly woven into the portal steam as she arrives yeah seriously whoever wrote that music for batwoman you must be ashamed of yourself for like what if it goes do do do do you're like whoa like bro oh i'm gonna show you friends it well yeah it's just like i guess that's yeah i guess that's something because there's no reason you can't have uh you know better better music well fuck yeah dude people in like random youtubers who have full-time jobs can cook up like a really really great song a half an hour compared to that like i don't stand yeah i mean lots of shows have great uh music i guess it's just happened the simpsons you know the simpsons has this crazy orchestral score for the theme that's iconic that's actually a piece of music you know Danny Elfman he makes some good stuff yes he does he did the age of Ultron soundtrack though in part it's like oh yeah i don't know what happened there what's wrong with the age of Ultron soundtrack remind me it's very generic um it's it i i can't i can't think of any tracks from that one that i remember whereas i can give you tracks from all the other films it's funny i can remember the track from Iron Man 3 uh even though i just don't think it's yeah i don't think it does compared to the rock stuff that you they should have kept the um the the one where he's flying for the first time they should have made that it yep um they should have kept doing it but they didn't it's one of the things that's talked about we're a spider man he's got a motif he's got a theme he does and i still feel like that happened as a result of people actually noticing it's like you should be using your themes properly yeah it should and then they do and when he's swinging through new york at the end of uh man you just killed that guy skinner it's not that he's fine he's adorable i know there were there were very small motifs in uh the adventures movies um i know that the one that they they because they always use the uh the sort of it's it's not like the main adventure steam it's that remixed one with the long shot that they always do mm-hmm you know boom that's yeah oh i like that one god that that uh that tracking shot the one shot it's kind of annoying when people shit on the cinematography in uh in adventures it's like that's a really cool shot and joss weeden famously fought for it because the producers didn't want it man now it's like that like it's used in every time people mention that movie that's what they show it's a staple of every film at this point to have a long tracking shot with a bunch of uh heroes we can leave the open age of ultra with that don't they um and end game has it with the uh with the final battle yeah but i mean that first one is super impressive in just the way that they're all stitched together though um because the opening and age of ultra and kind of looks there are parts where it looks really jank um like the cji what's the thing man it feels kind of nuts to think back sit it never really felt like it's an older era i was waiting until the time where it maybe would and i guess ten years kind of makes sense but just like i know that guy from that movie that guy from that movie that guy from that the all different powers and they're all working together to defeat an alien team that's really cool it's all super high budget too yeah no it was um god that was that was cool experience watching it for the first time blasting bouncing the laser off of cap shield it's just like oh my god for me it was like oh my god it's like marvel ultimate alliance but with a hundred million dollar budget holy shit yeah i think that's the thing and i wanted that for batman and superman but they fucked it yeah oh god i wanted that i really wanted that of them and that's never gonna happen now it's done um they blew it well you know we have to give it a while 50 years well yeah well not 50 years they're gonna try and do it a bit quicker than that um yeah they're gonna keep trying to forget about snider that they'll do it again we're gonna kill it with how quickly they try to do it again well so i worry for the batman right if the batman is successful which it feels like it's probably gonna be and then they'll be like batman two get going and we're gonna make a joker one oh baby combine it with walking phoenix's joker and then i already told you that when a gotham police department show that's gonna be a green light batman just they're just waiting to spam batman they just need to find the right money making avenue yeah i think so the right movie has to do well and then you guys maybe we should consider ourselves lucky because if snider had made enough money he'd have just been making fucking constant like crazy bullshit movies thank fuck people didn't like those movies i'm trying to retrieve to this crazy world just means that we we can get something that's actually you know we we we had another role if it if it made enough money we could we already could have been dealing with the release of Justice League too where Superman is fucking evil and batman's and his little duster with his little shotgun whatever and joker has given people reach around oh no just we something that we think about how unlucky we are with sniders that could have been so much worse i guess i guess it's just more could we have gotten somebody else right at the beginning well so that's the thing that i learned with the Suicide Squad is even if like they immediately restarted and gave it all to someone like James Gunn or even John Favreau like whoever it would have been like the snider fans wouldn't have given a fuck they would have loved sniders work above all um but at least we would have been happier yeah i guess i guess i don't know what really matters yes i will say we have reached appointments like well a lot of the dc stuff is now not trying to connect to one another and without that baggage might we just get some cool movies in the process i love the idea that marvel tries to take the upper sort of the higher moral ground with that they're like we actually had a whole tv show to explain why nothing makes sense you guys just did it anyway good for you question mark where's your monkey maybe that backgill movie will be cool me oh yeah blue beetle that looked fucking sick uh it's i want i want a big bad beetle borgs from the blue beetle going on his little adventures i think we're gonna be big adventures they can be big adventures big guys small you don't have to be a big person to go on a big adventure rags yeah even the smallest person can change the course of history exactly just call it exactly just call it uh like a little beetle goes on a big adventure yeah right little beetles big day yeah blue beetles day out yeah little beetles big day out sounds like i won i won that argument nice little beetle wins an argument all right next one i gotta remember where we even were he could be a dung beetle and he just rolls around a big sphere of poo everywhere he goes and he he fights crime sure but you know he's really good at it for the poo his methods are disgusting and people are like i mean yeah i'm glad he stopped the robbery but now the bank just smells like a sewer and there's a big brown like trail on the floor where he rolled that thing in here i don't know how he got it through the door all the money that was saved can now be used to pay the cleaners this the cg i imagine how much money is going to have to be spent on the poo cgi budget because they ain't using real poo well they'll probably could just use like a poo substitute the taste yeah yeah they could use they could use they could use faux poo or else see i take i take issue with that anyway right because that's not true filmmaking you need the actors to react to it as though it is real poo so it needs to be real poo i it should be the actors poo the actors need to have their poo you have to bring your own poo in order to create a realistic sort of yeah i like that yeah all of the all the porta potties and stuff on set in the trailers they all just have a tunnel that leads to the poo chambers where the poo sphere is molding the poo into a giant you're laughing but i'm very i'm i'm invested in the story and you're laughing why are you laughing it's basically the onscreen equivalent of the Zack Snyder writing process describing the chaining poo and you're laughing what a film old man's take on humanity in episode nine is the equivalent of Zack Snyder's take on superheroes it gets funnier when you think about it you just need the old man to say you think people are innocent you think oh my family would never commit atrocities we are living in a fucking dream world you're living in a fucking dream it's taking that out of context it's using my clan she's using my clan i have so much to say this video regards this clip it's like we'll stop using the clan it was the clip that the video was about like sir you seem upset i know what he's saying there i know by the way um you guys didn't you guys didn't know what i uploaded that as on my channel the the response sentence that was called um it's not a fan furious for reasons he does not understand this is an absolute sounds incredibly it's very accurate the amount of times you get angry at what you were saying and then have no idea what you said like it's insane i spoke to him he was like yeah sorry i didn't really know what i was doing back then uh i'm better now back then i was younger but then i was he apparently just started you you know what i for unknown reasons decided to empathize with this man as someone who's never had a similar experience did that work out well well you know don't don't give me to be cool if he said like yeah i made a mistake that's totally fine don't tell me i was a lot younger it's like shut up no yeah yeah so he said he said he was what he said to me was that he made a mistake and that like he knows better now okay cool what he what he says is that like he was just trying to be edgy like Zach Snyder Zach Snyder aficionado your comparisons could be drawn well it was a gas to say the least Snyderchisms have rubbed off on him indeed he helped create the best media medley ever he turned to a man he didn't fully understand that's a good quote i have to say i burst out laughing when the couple realized how the marble game worked oh that's mean of you i don't think that's the reaction that the filmmakers wanted to do a gunning few that feels sad um how would you feel if if that was you i would burst out laughing i hate my wife i'm gonna beat you bitch we're playing my marble game where i punch you i don't know yeah you know you don't have to use force to take them what about if your marble game is like i punch you you punch me first person to say ow or to bleed has to lose a marble you know stuff like that i don't know him that would be against the rules i assume that the spirit of the rules is you can't use force to take them against the will of the partner right i think it's a no violence allowed game i think it would be neat to have and it's like fist was to knock out be knocked out is an automatic law so if you explain this these rules to the nice man with the gun i'm sure you would let you do that well yeah as i'm sure as like because the guys with the gun they can't talk to you so if you go up to the hey are we allowed to we're allowed to like punch each other like as our game and they would say nothing they're allowed to talk you're wrong are they yep minimally yeah they talk within you know they talk minimalistic i can't believe you remember a game is suggested and they have to get it he says request accepted oh fucking not a true squid game fan one of your video about how it's good huh i made it yesterday it was called uh snider fan doesn't understand why he's angry but he is or something let's do this day i called it no problemo put it on your channel but that's okay that's okay baller made a video squid game yoinkie sploinkie now i just want to make a squid game video to call it that top card he never explained the title of this video it's like why is it called that worst luck ever i feel like a mixed missed opportunity is a smart and athletic character who is really good at the games and sees this as an easy way to make money then seeing him cope with the randomness of game five i rags hello i mean sure i don't know how how much you can make of that payoff because it's going to be like he realizes that he's like wow this is fucking lame i feel like let's make a better game five let's just make a better game five that's like commenting on how like shit the show is from within the show like i feel the best the better solution would be to just make it to write a better game five so it's like some it's like someone going like what if at the end of the force awakens we send someone like lair to go and meet luke and she says to him wow luke you're acting really out of character it's not that bad but it is i feel it's the same vein you know how like your attitude in the force awakens doesn't make sense if you consider what we're told is the history of tlj again in tfa she's like really excited and you know respectful of like what her idea the idea of luke is when she talks about Ben and she's like yes no grew and everything and it makes me wonder did luke tell her what happened hmm i don't think they i don't think anyone working on the films asked themselves that question because if you're like it's what happened to my son it's like okay so i know how this sounds i walked into his room while he was sleeping i'd like i was looking at his head i was just curious it wasn't like it was nothing really so i saw some spooky things he like killed you killed han killed a whole bunch of people so like and this was this was in your dream wasn't it but it felt pretty real i'm gonna and like i that's how i found you guys on bespin i imagined you dying and i was like oh better go stop that and you know what you're here aren't you so you know i take these things pretty seriously so anyway misunderstanding i saw a fly a mosquito and i was like better get that with my lightsaber and kylo wakes sorry ben wakes up and he's like oh you're trying to kill me and i was like no and then he went nuts and killed everyone i imagine she yeah she'd be like detailing this story like luke what are you that doesn't sound very like what he's just like why i don't know what to tell you he's uh your kid is nuts let's just put it that way it is fucking nuts anyway i'm gonna go to an island by i'll leave behind i'll leave behind reasons now i'll leave behind r2d2 on sleep mode and i'll give the other half to some old dude on jack who it'll make sense of what luke you haven't explained luke please then like ben is on the phone he's like he luke told you what that is not what happened luke was the one who killed all the students like oh shit oh god i think thank god ben was there to somehow stop him oh man and then she's like you killed all them it looks like okay so let me explain i looked into their minds context i looked into their minds i saw a lot of dark stuff real creepy stuff they were watching zack snider one of them was saying stuff about like test tubes and snoke i don't know what any of that is pretty sure he was the emperor so i knocked him out anyway they all started screaming and i didn't want him to wake up the others so boom boom boom you know how it is a horrific chain of events where the more i tried to silence the more they'd scream and the more they'd wake up and it's just it's like pringles man you can't have just one it was really uh really just it's society's fault like if would be an honest anyway back to the island like you could just ring me if you need me if you can't i'm going to hide i'm going to hide i will be dead this is like hon you'd fucking hate luke if he'd given you a summarize like a summary of the events you'd be like fuck you man you destroyed my kid if you need me uh send a random desert girl i've never met yes so send a stray that you just find sense send some random chick mainly but yeah um i don't know it's just further evidence that uh the force awakens has no idea that tlj exists not that does that make sense without me having to explain it like a film that was just nothing existed post tfa when tfa was made i guess so oh hey jay if you could remake any one of that trilogy which would it be the other two have to stay exactly the same which that's not gonna make any sense then for like if i'm totally remake the answer is choose number three why because you can recontextualize the first two as something like decanonizes them yeah you can just have the the last scene be like luke waking up from a dream and going that was weird anyway no that'll be the opening and then you make an actual movie oh yeah that's a good point like no that's a lot of the way let's tell a story who so the so the force is a bit of a yonky splanky if i'm gonna be honest here it all makes sense in the end one or two about well yeah what is your answer any difference that rags uh for uh for what question oh sweet if you didn't hear my answer then we can get a real genuine one so you get to fully remake one of the three sequels but the other two have to say exactly the same which do you choose i don't know i feel like if i could remake the third there could be some bullshit i could use to recontextualize the first two or nullify them or try to pull some shit out of a hat that would make everything somehow make sense retroactively or explain things or this was all some dream or something i'm trying to think of any other answer because that was the answer i have as well i yeah we just we gotta we gotta fucking we gotta just we gotta stop this we have to it doesn't matter we have to stop when we have to stop this from i do i do wonder if you um if you made tfa and you made it like um its own self-contained like one-off sequel story to star wars that gives like you know a full-out randomly and it's like tlj could be so incongruous with what we've seen before it's like who the fuck is ray and fin what the fuck is happening like it might have become so muddled that like people will just be like well i don't know what the fuck this is but like this one self-contained story is good well yeah tfa ends it doesn't follow off for anything tfa ends with him finding some strange alien portal to a multiverse that they accidentally fall into and then that anything after that just takes place within that bizarre multiverse tfa ends with luke just having a nap and this is like it's implied i'm gonna go and maybe dream about some stuff we take some blue shrooms and they say luke had the worst of nightmares credits open the tlj right yeah like it it it goes to the it's like a certain show it goes to the credits and you just hear luke screaming for half of them the implication being that's him experiencing tlj so the answers are basically all the same it's just tactically how do we execute this plan how do we use one to nullify the other two from exist and how much fun can we have ripping into the other two like i do feel the spirit of the question is likely you know which one do you remodel but you can't actually change those two and it's got to follow into it right i'm guessing that's what they want us to answer but well so it was my question i just threw it in oh oh i thought it was super chat yeah sometimes um the the yeah i don't know how long we've been going about six and a half hours we are at six nice um probably won't go too much longer i'm assuming people is done i heard you yawning i don't know if that's yeah i yonder them and i basically i woke up at like starting time uh because i heard the ping and um then i went with this so i haven't like eaten yet or drunk or i'm pretty sure we've made progress we just didn't make i think we've we made any progress on but the the ones for this stream though no as long as we answered more than we're generated in the stream that's what that's what i'm saying but we've made we may have made progress i can't know that answer yeah holy crap i will know the answer when we end the stream because i will i will collect them up and i'll tell you if we did but until that time um i figure i'll go until i complete this game which should be another like in 20 minutes so okay okay um what were we talking about rise we're saying something now some about impolimpus but it's fine no i meant before that but if you can't remember this is all good i i don't think i can remember for the for the sake of progress maybe it's best i don't just say you see a little meme again whatever like wickety splimpet or whatever yeah yonky yeah yonky splanky yonky splanky yonky splanky uh yeah well so i brought it up and then answered it my way which would just be the wreck on them but if we change the question until you can't erase two of them and you have to maintain continuity so you can only necessarily tweak as much as you can with one of them that is another interesting question i'd say at that point it's probably the riser skywalker i think because i think um i might be clj i think i can save luke the riser skywalker doesn't have to follow on into the next film so i can essentially just remake it and try to contact recontextualize as many previous events as possible that's true but tlj remains canon at that point and you have an opportunity to undo everything and you could literally make luke a clone in in riser skywalker yeah well i'm i'm suggesting we give him an actual fucking movie we you know why you say that luke that died was a clone here's luke's actual movie so if we get to say for example is like you have to keep riser skywalker you have to keep tfa i can work with tfa i think i think we all can um it's not fantastic but we can definitely work with it the idea that we have to end our movie our theoretical changed tlj to match the riser skywalker shouldn't be too difficult all i have to do is put people in the right places i don't have to um you know i can just say riser skywalker just fucking assassinated all my work instead of necessarily having to uh what i mean by that is like if we give poe like a really awesome arc that doesn't involve him randomly revealing he has a drug dealing past um then bringing that up and rise from riser skywalker that's what i'm saying like i can if i made it so his past wasn't that and then riser skywalker was just like no it is you're like yeah okay whatever um my goal would mainly just to be we can erase the the the luke damage and have an awesome luke movie but i i suppose you could do that in a sense with riser skywalker but it would be a lot more um do you understand what i'm saying when i it's like you'd be retconning it and everyone would be able to tell that meanwhile i'm trying to delete the actual thing from memory that they did to luke and change it into something that's awesome yeah i understand your motivation you're a consistent character more though um i've always thought that about you you were you were so close we were so close to moving on to a super chat and we got pulled right conversation what are you doing we hadn't done at all i was still talking about this topic just because you mentioned moving on doesn't mean we will i'm now asking you the question rags get on board bud well for the sake of what was what was the question again so this time think of the question as you get to you have to remaining continuity essentially with the the two surrounding it but you can okay so so no like rewriting undoing of history or something like that recontextualizing well so i don't know if you heard my answer but i basically said like not rewrite my answer was like i'd gone for tlj because i can remove all of the damage to luke and i can still make it stay mostly in continuity with tfa and tross um i just i have to kill luke and luke has to be on the island at the beginning i can work with that you know yeah i think you might be right um because the universe i don't think you you can't i don't think you just save the universe it's too much i think it's just too much to save the universe at this point tfa took care of that so you're just gonna have to make a choice do you want to save the character or do you want to try and save elements of the world building which i just don't think because they're like book ends of destruction for of the star wars world building yeah they both tfa just destroys them and tross just ruins it even more at the end um so i think yeah we we got to save luke i think that'll be a big deal yeah you know what you persuaded me it's tfa no sorry no it's tlj i was gonna say right yeah that's every yeah you persuaded me of the of a completely different thing you've you persuaded me that it's the one ninth of us we're gunning for it now that was tlj for me yeah yeah with that proviso i would say tlj we can save we can do a lot for kylo we could save luke yeah i was gonna say we can do a lot more than just save luke can't we we don't have to have a force ghost yoda who's able to cast down lightning and so we could save force ghosts a bit um true luke still catches a lightsaber but that's still a that's still a limit from i can cast lightning from this guy to destroy objects right or maybe you could say well maybe you could say that luke because he has a special connection to that lightsaber maybe his force ghost can interact with it like we will we can just um it can just be rise the skywalkers mistake we don't have to account for that really yeah we yeah like we wouldn't get blamed for it it we can literally say if we have if we're redoing tlj we can say hello friends phone if we're doing tlj i'm just impressed that discord picked that up discord normally fills out yeah usually says no to that stuff like if we're redoing tlj then we can establish is a place where like force ghosts are actually much more like they manifest much more strongly yeah but it's not in the cat it's not actually in the film is it it's like if i if that's actually in the film i don't see what the problem is that this is like one spot in the universe where force ghosts can interact with reality i don't like that yeah i i don't want to i i worry about expanding anything about the force in any way well i think that it's ambiguity is its strength and i've already got the hot take that i'm not a huge fan of force ghosts already uh me neither they they that's why keeping it kind of ambiguous and the force ghost is do not increase their power under any circumstances the fact that they can talk is already bad enough i mean yeah the way that we see the force ghosts i mean is there i mean could you could you legitimately say after the original trilogy that force ghosts are oh i guess we have the prequels where Qui-Gon learns to so we can't do the whole is it just your psyche or is it like the force manifest through your mind they don't really exist in a sense yeah the prequels have established that it's like genuinely contacting them in the as they are a part of the force or whatever so we can't really escape that as a ruling or we could just say yeah prequels kind of even the pre-golden was kind of nuts to be i suppose you can't really argue that anyway because the ot has been giving instructions to luke that are very real and purposeful as a ghost would those be would those be things that luke couldn't have known in some way or had an intuition i think we should stick to them being actual people because there's a lot of dialogue between him and ben it's really important i don't know that i like the idea of it being all in luke's head it's not kylo well i mean in the sense of the the force ghost is they communicate with the character but they're not present in a way like only one person could see them it's only it's almost like a mental way for the person being communicated with to have the conversation there's not actually a presence there is yeah i think the closest you come to possible contradiction i don't think there is one though with that and the ot and the prequels is um when luke looks at them at the end of return of the jedi i don't think anyone else notices them right it's just him no one does no um i don't i don't think so did i i can't remember if leia does uh i i just can't remember um i think and i and i would genuinely consider putting a limit on it being that you know they are a part of the force but they only have a so long and that maybe for our sequel they're just not gonna turn up but this is luke's time to yeah and just for clarity with chat it's not a hallucination in the sense that it's all made up it's that the visual thing that we see that part is the hallucination but there is a conversation taking place that's more it's like an approximation from a viewer or something yeah it's like it's a mental conversation that you're having or maybe when a person talks it answers all questions if we treat it as though it is an approximation from the person because how is it how does the force ghost decide how it looks i guess you could say it's the particular ghost preference but i prefer the idea that it's the person viewing them's view of them if you know what i mean yeah i i mean i like the notion that the interactions with the force ghosts are actually so otherworldly an alien to us that like depicting them visually this is just essentially the closest that we can get naturally it's a very personal experience to anyone who comes into contact with one it's it's um it's like it's like they're in your mind more so than they're actually appearing as a vision in front of you yeah they appear as if they're there but they're not really there with that conversation we've put more effort into maintaining continuity than all three sequels put together shocking but true actually it's not i guess it's not shocking it is true it is we would have been shocking if we were told that like five years ago yeah because you would assume that they crapload of effort and have a big overarching plan for a trilogy that they're gonna commit to it's but it's so funny because if you told me that five years ago i think my first question would be like well why fans are gonna want them to maintain continuity chat chat has found that there is a tangerine emoticon thingy yeah the last tangerine the rise of the tangerine tangerine awakens tangerine so anyway squid game what about it um it's nice to talk about star wars yeah it's been a while isn't it i mean squid wars i think i got bored of star wars i'm i've it's been enough time that i'll have stuff to say when we watch book of boba fair i'll have plenty to talk oh yeah definitely definitely the mcu i think it'll be just right when no way home comes out in terms of like oh yes right back to this because i think we did i think we did od on the the mcu a little bit a few weeks ago the mcu yeah i'm just i i i still could i could totally walk away from it and be gone for a long time without feeling like i need to go back to it i just i'm just i'm super saturated cancel mola no no that's impossible tangerine that's not true that's impossible together we can rule the galaxy like bro what if he said yes and then he's like all right i'll do the talking hey emperor how you doing this is my son know about him he's getting closer and closer the emperor's like what are you doing it's like nothing i don't know this sounds like a family i joke they've probably done this oh well i remember when they did the um when they did the star wars parodies and there was like a joke in the star wars parodies where they're like what about the prequels and someone said oh i think we'll just have american dad do that or something and that would be so fucking funny like that would be i think the cleveland shows yeah oh oh in the nevermind i had a feeling you might say that because american dad prequels sounds like fun but cleveland show prequels where it would have i swear they said american dad because i remember being excited for the prospect i think fringy's right because the cleveland show has direct continuity with family guy doesn't it so does american dad does american dad have the same kind of thing cleveland show like exists inside the world of family guy i don't think that's true american dad all american dad happens on like a different part of the country but like they do have continuity with each other like the characters drop in each other's lives occasionally well they only showed up in that one episode though yeah i thought it was there's been multiple episodes where okay they cross over um does simpsons have that same deal technically though because like obviously what we're talking about is that cleveland show like it's like a spin-off it's it's much more connected that yeah it's true but it's in like there's no reason that that would mean that it has to be done that way like american dad could totally have done the prequels and it would have been really funny because american dad is better than family guy well i guess and then you can have the self-aware joke in there somewhere at the end of it someone's like cleveland show supposed to do this and then you just like yeah they could have made a joke about how that show was shit and not funny yeah you gotta stab me like nobody wanted to see that loads of those yeah yeah he would say that as well it would be really funny that's uh i always reference the two the simpsons family guy crossed over one of my favorite jokes is just roger's cabio is fucking great hi thanks for having me just flown out with kagan kota's good shit and then the other one being um i guess it's two jokes well this is a lot of jokes but like these are the two parts i remember is nelson beats up bar and stewie's like fuck like how long how long have you let him do that to you and he's like 32 years like oh just the self of that kind of fourth world break but then you know stewie literally like torturing nelson after tiger it just feels very stewie because stewie was a great draw for family guy as a character he felt super unique my favorite bit about that as well as uh when stewie kidnaps a poo as well as nelson and fast like why'd you kidnap a poo and stewie says all i just wanted to be able to say i took a poo that's the kind of joke i think you'd love it's a great joke stewie good shit that's the efap american dad no the the family guy american dad efap this has been a strange efap many so many topics all of the topics um thoughts on alec boldwin's new movie the hunt for i accidentally shot someone in october that's an attempt at a joke i understand it it's like red october oh belch you did i saw i mean i smelled yeah that's what you meant to say because you haven't mentioned it enough the score for the show is absolutely wonderful weird and a bit too upbeat for what happens adding to the unsettlingness of the show also high rags and others hello i'm back um i've had different opinions on the soundtrack for squid game i liked it i liked it i don't know it's fine with it yeah i don't like have a lot to say about it uh yeah i think you worked fine that main hook is definitely like that's in my head now just because you mentioned the squid game soundtrack that's a very effective little hook yeah yeah that's the one all right all right i like music when they fight each other oh yeah the same they're not the same space they're not it's it's you got it wrong all right wait if we have a i've i cut myself off because i i should be able to ask this question but i can't ask the question jay what soundtrack do you prefer lord rings or star wars but you fucking oh i've had the lord of the ring soundtrack no you haven't you ever been exposed to it exposed to it yeah i yeah flashed me in a public park once oh my goodness gracious i got a little bit of that hobbit flute that's just whoo what the oh my goodness gracious like i'm in the shire oh go away uh it does seem that um lord rings tends to be voted for more than star wars but uh i need to have my preference but they're both great they are both great good stuff hug them both with wonderful hug them squeeze them hold them tight big city that's the life for me that's from james and the giant peach or is it it is i remember saying that movie but god damn i can't remember anything about it i remember lots of you remember the fucking creepy ass shark i fucking remember that hell yeah i remember it as a book well i because i read it wasn't it was a wrong yeah it was a raw doll it was like i don't know i never i never really was aware of that being a movie as you know when jack skeleton attacks the pirate jack i do yeah he grabs the compass or he grabs his suspenders and pulls them back dude man that's that's an efat movie right there i feel like we should watch that side by side with return to us they're both movies that are kind of creepy but both totally kids movies apparently we'll just go because i yeah i never saw return to us but james and the giant peach was definitely one that i watched as a kid quite a lot i thoroughly look forward to wait fring have you seen return to us okay well jay have you seen return to us no so many people probably i don't think metal has either off chat they're in for a fucking surprise with that one i'd say but a good surprise all i know is that it's creepy it's um i don't know if it can be prepared for because in terms of just i think you'll just be surprised it's such an old movie but it's meant directly for children you'll just be like this this is an interesting fucking choice like many times you'll probably find yourself saying that but like you know you know just in a way that's like what did you expect but hey uh this is i think it's probably be pretty neat in terms of uh production and stuff and what plenty to talk about so that's what's important absolutely i'd love to take a look at it and check out this creepy ass movie the funny thing is it's like oh maybe next halloween it's like our fucking next halloween is already completely stocked up we can we can do every day of every day of spooktober three uploads guys we were busy in october this is especially the editors another shout out to the editors for being able to get those things out because damn yeah it was kind of funny as well as the we were super busy and the efab people's already saw like dare i say just over half of it you know there's a lot of stuff we were up to that you haven't even don't even know what it was but you will in a year i was disposing of evidence crimes you should watch wizard of auspiful hand for the clash of tone i've considered that that does that would be a plan it would be fun to watch them both back to back have our commentary on the original because it is just it's like it's like the most famous movie ever essentially yeah it's so wholesome by comparison that it's probably worth doing yeah there's uh it's like if you had to if you had to have like movies as a as a thumbnail it would be probably wizard of auspiful yeah um because then star wars is the one that's famous for like beginning the era of the blockbuster right summer blockbuster that and like yeah that might be the case unless steven spielberg did something around that time i'm not sure well of course indiana jones is also like referenced as being important in that regard but a lot of spielberg movies yeah tended to do that uh jaws he made that a little bit before um star wars uh was made so maybe that that might be the first well of course wasn't star wars like mind blowing like it was a worldwide phenomenon sort of thing i'm assuming it held the record at the time for like biggest box office wait uh star wars sorry yeah new hope um i think jaws no yeah you're right star wars then et bid it out et b star wars yeah et made like 800 million dollars which you know just i think i think we talked about this before but like i just i'd never cared about et i didn't know i'm indifferent to it also be every he's gone there he goes came in for a moment there just to say that et beat out star wars he not in my heart brb and dunny dunny included maybe he does maybe he does brb maybe he's doing something with garfish i could be it talked about that yeah that could be the case it's very possible yeah for sake i keep forgetting where all the flimpy floors are anyway the island has to be close to south korea because they used ferries to bring the cars there those aren't rated for long distance open waters trips yeah i think the best i think the most solid explanation is that this is north korean water and that north korean allows it in exchange for money you just ignored that super chat huh what was the story what sorry what did the super chat say like determined that you were wrong about that wasn't but north korea is near south korea like i don't maybe maybe that distance is too great but i don't know i feel that but you know my next fairy your fairy expert all of a sudden i've been on ferries oh you've been on a ferry play pokemon go on a ferry when pokemon go is relevant these are sci-fi ferries with double the fuel is that what you're saying yes maybe damn it well sci-fi fairy there you go thought it right in terms of ferries they've also got like you know they keep them drugged i can't imagine for longer than like what 48 hours at maximum possible like i don't know how long it's possible to keep someone sedated but i imagine it's like get might might might just like smell test would say long no longer than 48 hours i'm guessing that's probably a stretch sci-fi sedation it lost 10 years but it doesn't do any damage carbonate states that they're in cryo tubes or carbonate or they're in cryo night os mode they're in the menu you three companies carbonara yum arbalo carol canis gotta be cheating on just started squid game when this efab started and i come back to old man mobiles moment also hi everyone and rags hello it is funny that you want you could watch squid game and it's already quicker we had people who it is talking about train to busan went and watched it came back and then finished the efab because it's rewound and played by times two i love the idea that that happened this hilarious it's fun we are that long everyone did they want english actors to fit the dub there's no point trying to figure it out the director wanted something and he got it it was a weird thing that he got that i guess he was happy with it i suppose all we're supposed to say is the director got his vision and that's all that matters right whenever anyone interferes with the the creator's vision that's bad what we've learned i want high top to have a moment where he finds out that like sam ramy was like you know what i hate that doc gawk was a good guy in the end a studio forced me to do that and then i was like what you know what else i hate this other thing that everyone loves about my movies i didn't even want it just just to realize that sometimes sometimes the studio do a good thing genuinely think that would cause incognitive dissonance yeah probably do you guys remember the whole um that you have the mall part and then also the olympics part in 184 and the studio said can you please cut one of those scenes because the movie is just too fucking weird and long and then patty was like i demand to keep both of them was like which one would you rather have to be fair if you ask me to delete one i'd be like i mean i guess i lose the olympics one because that fucking confuses that hell out of me like yeah that's the one i would can i get rid of one thing can i get rid of the whole movie i think it's funny because a lot of people say well that's the theme it's like well the theme is stupid so nobody knows what the theme is the truth is beautiful if i go off i yeah the that's what the film believes that it's about but what if the truth isn't beautiful but also i have the ugly that's why they call it we call it the ugly truth sometimes the truth is not beautiful lies are beautiful you can conjure up whatever fake loveliness you can but the truth you don't have oh the truth what if some dude i mean it's the thing everyone asks what if some dudes wish was like oh i wished i wasn't being abused well um the truth is beautiful i wish i didn't have cancer yeah or like cancer is beautiful because it's the truth and i just want to mention that i wish i wasn't being slowly fed into this meat grinder from the get go let you free from life because if we're supposed to be as honest as possible here or good faith as possible here it's like she cheats and so the truth is she didn't win like think that i think that's what they were going for but it was so unclear that she even cheated yeah very strange one it was a very the way that they wrap that message up and delivered it to me yeah was very convoluted it was it arrived at the wrong address and then miss labeled packaging and i had to track it down and find it and it had to be re-sent a couple times and when it got here it was damaged it also it wasn't what i ordered so remember um it's a very strange one it wasn't even that she used the shortcut it was that she didn't tag the um the little thing yeah the implication being of course that she could have used the shortcut and one if only she'd fired the arrow back and hit the thing which maybe it was impossible to do but the point being is that we can't even we don't even know and then you find out a reaction if you remember she's like what the f*** and then she's like yeah you cheated and she's like ah what it's like wait she didn't even know the rules i don't even know how they found out exactly it's very it's very confusing it's very very confusing amazonian something or other i don't i don't even know but uh yeah so if you're knocking out one of those two scenes i guess because the mall scene is no worse than anything else in the movie i guess at least it's goofy and like this like it was really fun to laugh at it i think more so than the i enjoyed laughing at the mall stuff more than the um as we said there's a little more room for interpretation about the theme other than well one woman does just literally say at the end the truth is beautiful accept it it up like okay no i don't want to i want to live lies patty what were you thinking imagine we found out like the studio everyone this and please drop the rape scene she was like no it's my vision i have a rape fantasy it's my this is my i'm not gonna sneak that into my movie and i'll sneak but it's so well executed i'm gonna sneak in between yes it's about big wait big what will you tell that big now i guess jay doesn't know big theme a good memory fringy because i wonder who how many how many people even do remember remember what now god damn okay fringy i'm here for you i have a good no i i didn't hear what he said files upon files i mean big should be enough in reference to wonder woman big come on i'm believing you get those gears spinning boy just big um don't look at chat they'll give you all the answers no i'm not i'm not i'm looking at the wall as i think um good big try to think of what in the movie what in the movie was big it's not the direction you want to go no so it says it's a wonder woman it's a meme that has to do with big not really a meme i guess you could call it a meme it's like a commentary that we had something that came up as a result of our watching it some thought are passing conversation we had a conversation about it but it wasn't really us oh so someone else was referring to the movie is big or something about the movie is big okay so we'll just we'll do it because jay will find this interesting anyway i assume you probably do know this it's just once you once you say it i'll probably just be like oh yeah of course it was that yeah probably so i actually made a joke about it already but um the good old twitter doing this back and forth with criticism a twitter hero told everyone that is in fact commentary on the freaky friday trope in which bodies are swapped and that this is commentary that you know big has the same problem and patty was just trying to highlight that and then patty jankins retweeted it and said yes this is it i do indeed remember that and that's so i was trying to i was trying to criticize some great thing that i did by doing the thing you got it you got it guys you got it yeah i do or recall that whole thing that came out yeah it's unbelievable to shout on big to try and escape criticism how could i how could well i mean it's well because that movie was a roller coaster and is it's just like a jackson pollock in my mind of different shapes and colors that just an unsensical but i remember that using twitter reply using someone else's twitter explanation as your official explanation as to why it totally is fine guys that's one of those things where it's just like man you've lost the plot you have no fucking clue like the the desperation you must be at to use someone's tweet as like definitive evidence that your movie actually had a point with the rape scene like that she was clearly unaware the movie had no clue we all know that makes you wonder about the maturity of a person to have missed all of that you know because she can direct a film right like but apparently she can't write a script for shit apparently she can direct another film and another one after that and another one after that he's so good wait she was going to do a star wars film yeah yeah squadron but that's not happening anymore jesus they were gonna get they were just going to give her a star wars movie they don't give a fuck toss them out these days based on based on what whatever so it probably would have been wonder woman one and then after wonder woman two there was probably an attempt of like you can't just do whatever you want and so she's quick uh from creative differences is what was cited the last time we let someone do whatever fucking what was star wars it lost us god knows how many millions of dollars and then we saw what you did with your second wonder woman film and to be fair we don't want rape in star wars so we're gonna have to control you a little bit she got upset when they said she's like i mean no rape are you saying there's no rape in the star wars universe they're like no canonically there is no rape it doesn't happen the emperor will kill someone else in the universe if someone buys star wars off of us they can put rape in star wars but not us i feel that i feel that if it was happening in star wars though at least finn would be good at yelling to alert people of its occurrence that's okay here's a joke yeah thank you rape there you go that's it yeah yeah that's uh all right just uh yeah and with that it feels like that conversation is done now you know you can't rape but you can kiss your sister i feel like those are different yeah they are different they're very different yes they're very different anyway where is the true where is the true turning point on what you know sexual deviancy you can get away with and star war maybe we'll never know the rank or you can be impregnated through the force that they eat that can happen you can be you can unknowingly kiss your sister but we don't know if it's if you know you can kiss your sister that's probably not allowed rape is a no go probably um let me see i think it's just what i thought disney would allow rags yeah yeah do you think they don't have any special rules set aside for the star wars universe no like there's no there's gonna be no visible penetration in a star wars movie yeah i i imagine so yeah unless that would make the money sometimes foreign language directors who don't speak english will have the american actors deliver a line that sounds good to them also high racks hello again from what i gather it's you want to i don't think you thought that they sounded normal but he wanted them to sound like that so i should have accomplished but they did sound like that like i don't know how you'd feel about it as a creator when you're like this was very deliberate and i love the way it turned out and then like basically everybody was like the part i hate the most was the vip's it's like oh man you it'd be impossible for that not to affect you if you bring them back wouldn't it like you're making that decision again and you're like everyone hated this last time it's like like what do i do yeah like it's supposed to be like this is like is there any way you can keep your vision intact but also not do the thing that you did kiss is that a is that on the table well it's just you do a really salty bit about how actually it's amazing and shut the fuck up that's the story in universe yeah yeah the vip's wow you have an amazing voice yes i know someone comes up to a vip and goes what are you some kind of fake rich person i don't believe that a rich person would ever act like you and then he starts listing real rich people that list look back like him with clips yeah with like just clips of jess bezos like see he speaks like this and then and then another character is like do you know that blade runner was panned when it came out at first like a lot of great things in life some things are misunderstood 69 69 you sound like the per the commercial person 69 you sound like a like an orval red and balker commercial i could have just said you sound like orval red and balker because he did the commercials that would have been faster but we're not really about that here right that's true um or maybe uh i don't know what kind of all the commercials there's probably a whole bunch you just have that old like you like if you were going to be given a transcript of a 1950s commercial advertisement you know that that's kind of the voice that you have pronounced advertisement advertisement um if you guys know do you guys know hard hat harry the genie do you wear a hot hat or often yeah no i was curious and carry on i've seen i've seen dunkey uh i'm pretty tired i've seen dunkey jokes funnier than the 69 jokes not possible i mean i don't know anybody that laughed at the 69 thing i just know that everyone was like what are you telling me with this information so like like i'm what am i learning about this character because i think a lot of people didn't realize it's so in character funny it was genuinely funny when holly did it um yeah it would have been more fun i think would have would have had would it all right would it have been more funny if harley had said that she was sick with ligma yes because i think it would yeah it would have been more funny and then the the the general is like ligma what the what ligma is she's like ligma balls that would have been funny i think that would have been maybe you have it you like she smiles for a while at him bit of an awkward pause and they just slapster or something enough or it's better than 69 in fact i've changed my position it's way better than 69 absolutely what if right i don't need to fool too much in love with this okay but i'm just gonna be happy but what if she goes they're like where where are the old compatriots like where are they and then she goes you're in the bat cave cave bat bat cave i feel like i would just make you adore this scene and then she winks at the camera no because those things have to be earned you can't just throw them in cheaply it's insulting that you say the Wonder Woman 84 earned anything i cool it's not so much the way i see it it's not that Wonder Woman 84 earned the wink it's that she did if you say so you're shockingly true the world will recognize my genius after i'm gone they'll look back and they'll be like oh he was ahead of his time that doggo he was he was like nostradamus he was like hitler in the autobahn he was forward-changing sorry i'm tired i'm also tired and that is i hit the end of the game so i think we'll probably stop oh no we can't stop there because i don't know what happens now one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirty fourteen fifteen before we've completed the squid game ones isn't that just the perfect number in terms of we should we could we could do another 15 it's 15 the perfect number so if someone sends in another we can go because it's not the perfect number anymore so what i'm saying is that's like the perfect number in terms of like oh is that too much to carry on or is that just perfect to get the rest done i feel like we could do it right 15 i mean i sure yeah i guess um it won't be extended because the ones that came in today will just be put into the catch up sorry folks but we're gonna get to everything eventually the squid game people wanted us to cover these for a while so they'll be they'll be seven hours apparently it took to get through the i mean that's with a couple of extra conversations but you know what let's read atler has better dialogue than the vip's oof oh you can't say that we'll upset everybody hey mola i want to play your squid game it's two big tentacles up your ass no i couldn't why couldn't it have been the squid game we run around and you jump on one foot whatever i don't know it's awfully violent when the cloaked vip isn't watching a squid game he's at the bohemian grove leading the molok mark sacrifice ceremony with the big bonfire you know if i was invited i'd check it out would you guys would you pop over to the bohemian grove see what's up what he was at the the molag ball what so you're saying yes right out of curiosity at least it sounds like anything to get me out of that fucking room with all those other weirdos i'll go check out i'll go check out the the uh the the molok um yeah i i i don't that's a god for the bible right that's like a that's what i'm saying out of the slim chance that we could meet molok i'd be like let's do it if yeah if it requires like a firstborn i'd still consider it but probably not let me look it up mol i like i know the name moloc mollock moloc canaanite deity associated in biblical sources with the practice of child sacrifice nice which one if it's the second bill but when i don't mind get rid of all the children cast them out destroy them yeah i'm i'm fine with yeah less children in the world they're annoying and smelly and um let's see are you are we are we are we waiting on that or am i moving on what's happening oh oh wait to which thing specifically like which child we're doing right now no i was just reading about um just moloc child sacrifice yeah yeah um yeah he's uh he's referred to uh referring referred to as a canaanite god often um but you know it's just you know whatever it's uh it generally moloc is portrayed as a bullheaded idol with outstretched hands over a fire all right oh moloc has been figuratively used in reference to a person or a thing which demands or requires a very costly sacrifice that isn't that interesting well i don't know like um i don't know i kind of think so where if you want to portray some kind of a being um and you and you portray them as it like their name is moloc and you portray them as such people who understand that symbolism or the you know the history of the name might be like ah so typically moloc is associated with you know child sacrifice and you know great upkeep very costly very demanding so maybe that will factor into this character's uh personality here you know i feel like we already knew that when you said that he requires uh children sacrifices well that's because i told everyone while i was reading the thing out here but i think that could be interesting in a story where you might not know that not i mean like you in general not like you personally because you know now but um but if that was a thing maybe yeah i know i mean in general if you had put out a book and there was a character named moloc it could it wouldn't even have to be a deity it could just be a character and their name was moloc and you know could you could play with the idea that they perhaps had to make a sacrifice or they were extremely demanding uh something of that nature you could kind of play with the etymology that bit is that it or no that was it unless you had any more uh questions i could answer any any more thoughts any uh no thoughts feelings on the matter uh the vb's dialogue is so bad that it made me prefer ethans dialogue from re eight hell i'd rather listen to the worst dialogue from the walking dead tv show it's dark i mean yeah they're the same kind of dialogue is that um a lot of just stating i fucking i said i hate the one where they're like you know the thing that's really important in this game is which position they choose like thank you whoa thank you for letting me know i sometimes ethans says a thing that i might say but the vip's are just aliens from another universe that are trying to mimic what a human is and i just could never they're just bizarre in every way but i could see myself maybe commenting that it's dark if it's dark you know like that's not out of the realm of possibility for any of us you know absolutely yeah and but that's the thing i think they missed when trying to respond to criticism like you know your sub rich people do speak this way it's like no i don't think you understand it's just like a lot of it's not even human like the way that they why are they saying some of these things it's not even about whether you're not you're rich or poor or disconnected people grew up on earth or they're humans you know or you don't care about human no they're just saying weird shit with google translate i don't think so i'm not going to rule out the possibility i'm going to cover my ass here but uh that's the funny part right he probably said he's like wait i don't want to lie how i'm just i'm i'm just i'm just passing along what i think the case maybe what i what i believe is potentially the case now it's true necessarily or maybe easy fix here crazy lady has one last cigarette she lights it talks trash then flicks the lit smoke in its face this distracts thug and she lunges to kill him that way yeah i i don't think that scene is easily fixable the the way they did it just confused me a little bit in terms of the leverage and and obviously capital opinions was like why didn't you just crouch that would have saved him there's a lot of little things i i think i said like why the fuck didn't you try punching her at all he didn't even try i'm happy if he like struggled or something but like i'm happy that he wouldn't have known to or thought to crouch in that situation i think i'd be more forgiving of that yeah but i was just like first like he didn't try anything for that character puncher in the fucking like wailing on it because that's the kind of thing you would do when he's panicking right you'd be like wailing is illegal um it's career so loads of different in different countries ranks you should know this asians will fuck up a sea creature i'll know that i know that just finish squidwood's game rip a league on too soon yeah i know wait how long was the brother missing was my first thought from the twist than anything else this motherfucker was behind on rent of all things no idea how any of that works it's almost like he wanted his brother to try and look for him or some shit and maybe they'll try and do that in season two it's like i actually wanted you to come here i got no idea it doesn't make any fucking sense at all we'll see what they do with it um it's called a shaggy dog story trope i forget which one's the shaggy dog when i fit that before the one with tim allen an archetype remember which one it is it is the one with tim allen we get a little bit more than just about tim allen or um not really that's all i got for you yeah that's that's that's what i've got i'm not sure because i don't know if because a shaggy dog could be anything like some dogs are just shaggy and it's within their nature that's just how they are they are shaggy um i mean i mean shaggy's dog is scooby-doo so maybe that plays into it maybe it's about anthropomorph anthropomorphization of you know certain you know animals or what not companions a long story punchline that's the one yeah what what's the punchline that i can't say anthropomorphization no i just described what a shaggy dog story is oh i what what is it it you can go and google it right i would rather hear it from i'd rather hear it from you i know you would stream but i gotta answer super chats i'm afraid next one is i saw the devil bum the fuck out let me look at a sure that's okay a shaggy dog story or yarn is an extremely long winded and nick dot characterised by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and terminated by an anti-climax oh god i do that a lot by accident well so that's what i was saying the detective story was and i think they're right but i don't know that that was on purpose of course it wasn't on purpose i wouldn't know what that mean shit we're dealing with the guy who wrote this shit is like everything is as i intended it's like okay i don't know i'm sure he loves the for all we know he literally has already said an interview that it's a shaggy dog story i don't fucking know um yeah i don't know i saw the devil bum the fuck out i'm not sure what that would have been in reference to i'm afraid um well the follow-up one says i saw the devil bum the fuck out lol sorry i got nothing uh they should have added a wall sign after each game instead of having them out all left from the beginning oh i guess so yeah you could do it that way if you really wanted to keep them on the background i think they really wanted the reveal to be they were in there the whole time you could have seen them yeah but like then the cartonies to acknowledge them at some point exactly a wake uh three doesn't doesn't grandpa simpson tell a lot of shaggy dog stories um yeah well that was even a joke where it went for like two minutes whereas it just kept going and so well it's gonna say that he doesn't usually end them some of the men within that time i spoke a lot of them just keep going and a lot of them keep going yeah just the style at the time that's right well that's the thing the problem is i'm usually pretty invested and then the scenes end and i'm like no i want to know what happened with the onion everyone an old man is talking everybody an old man is talking his millhouse it says that it is yeah yeah like i think he says something exciting grandpa they'll go let's stop whispering and talking to you shut up so anyway i like grandpa is funny i like i like the idea like you just show that scene to like some aliens and they're like well do you guys all like it when when old men speak and you're like hey you're not in the show fuck you the alien doesn't get it what a loser yeah fuck that alien look up a review by someone named young defiant for the absolute worst squid game review i am not joking young defiant is like i've covered young defiant young defiant is just like um overtly a troll like oh like wrong young defiant young defiant will go after everything that's popular say it's really shit make like really clearly facetious and bad arguments not facetious um like i don't i don't understand because like people like oh he says he's not a troll i thought okay um but one of his arguments why infinity wall was bad is that it was dropping frames like what do you think he's being serious i think that you could have a lot of fun with a channel like that just make it oh dude it would be like in set you wouldn't be able to tell the difference to your channel like that in filmento if you went like the problem with infinity wall is that it has three too many characters everyone knows like the standard rule of uh 666 you're like what it's like six characters in a plot six characters in b plot six characters in c plot this was originally coined by steven spielberg and arthur c clock everyone knows this rule infinity wall breaks it just doing stuff like that and people like what the fuck are you talking about like actually legitimately arguing it as if it's real some people would think it was really good advice they probably would and you maybe they were told that fucking what's his face with the bad opinion uh what the guy who made the movie who said the marvel things aren't cinema what's his face um what's easy uh yeah he if you told him that he said it then they'd be like oh yeah of course six six or everyone knows that yeah oh yeah everyone knows that i mean of course i wonder how many i wonder what you could give and it's like people like Patrick williams of by telling him that like scorsese said it yeah it's like what do you feel about you know the the martin scorsese quote about you know the six six rule that they teach in film schools um that you know da da da just because he doesn't want to come across as if he doesn't know it maybe that would be embarrassing maybe not like maybe not have him like immediately believe it but i feel like you could make it and just seriously consider so many ideas that he would just otherwise dismiss like you know about the gate by saying he would frankly do you know searching it while during the conversation like oh shit oh shit do i not know this what is this what is this like he'd be he'd be looking trying i gotta do it when it's when you got his phone so he can well he's at his computer no he's you're out on a picnic with him in the middle of the desert dang that's least of my worries is what he's the six six six rule but maybe i would be curious you probably throw some of that deliberately there's a helicopter coming to pick you up in like three hours that's a that's an interesting idea like like the um like blood on the shield you know as a way to explain a trope or what not the six six six rule could be referring to just an ambiguous fake rule that people like whenever something crazy happens in a movie the six six six rule is people who defend it for ridiculous reasons that they you know are laboring under something like that oh yeah it's a six six six rule yeah yeah i'm just i'm amused by the idea of like fake movie rules like the wolf flower paradox when a character is unwilling to speak in a conversation that they absolutely would do because of the fact that the plot requires them to simply listen even though that sounds like it probably would be a real thing that that is a that's what you've named is a real thing i need to change it until it's not a real thing um i'm still so pissed andy chan got glass new fridge maybe pointless death line that long felt like the most forced way to 1v1 blur also high rags hello got glass i think they're they're assuming that they're referring to oh yeah because andy channel be andrew yeah no i i think that's a lame way to to have forced the end of his story as opposed to of uh just doing it more it just makes you think like what the fuck were they thinking with the exploding glass exploding glass was ridiculous my jaw was a gate when i saw that i was like what the hell is happening how was this even how was this even happening one thing but why would you chew what they want eat shrapnel right i was i was in the portion of the show we did this with bligh and uh well sorry midnight mass uh where i was just taking it all in and judging but being like all right where does it go where does it go where does it go and then when it's all gone to where it goes i'm like all right time to be critical i think that's been a free watching because you often just you know waiting to see what they do but then once you get all the answers like hmm i had some peepo sauce now i'm very peepo sauce double check okay uh imagine the thug guy going through the slappy game oh yeah yeah me and jay me and jay talked about this yeah that's that's a problem yes like genuinely i don't believe that kind of huge problem in a way the guy the guy goes up to these yeah so the the beginning where like the the contestants potential contestants get slapped in the face by the guy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the thug is just gonna stab that dude he's gonna stab him and take his money he's gonna once he once the guy pulls out money he's gonna look around and when he's not there he's gonna punch the shit unless it's being done in like a crowded public place maybe that's why he chooses the bus station like that well we're shown that he doesn't only do it in the bus station but yeah but maybe with the thug it is a public place maybe that's the maybe it still doesn't feel like that i think i think we'd i think we would just have to be shown like a huge that he's doing it with the thug in a very public place but even then i feel like the thug isn't gonna let him slap him feel our thug is still punching back i i'm on it even if that bus station i could picture the thug deciding fuck it that's enough money that it's gonna help me and the police can chase me if they want to but right now i'm like dealing with so much debt that i don't give a fuck yeah and you know he doesn't have to stab him and kill him he literally just be like give me that briefcase where i'll fucking kill you and then if you guys refuse you can punch him take the briefcase yeah i just don't i don't think it works um i like the idea that the slapping almost determines whether or not they're viable as a squid game contestant to see what they're willing to go through for the money like it's like a test yeah at the same time i don't think this test works for all the contestants yeah well he is a viable candidate whereas he i don't think he would get through the slapping because the slapping also removes your dignity right i don't think that and characters you aren't going to be willing to give up their dignity may still be very willing to go through other ordeals to get uh squid game stuff right to get that the squid game prize money like him you know he's the example of the thing i'm saying rags talk about the us remake in new york we did that hours ago that's train to london um i feel like the ending should be ambiguous show him having up hanging up the phone and cut to black as soon as he does would have left a much greater impact i would have preferred that even if season two started with him doing the thing i like the idea that it ends with is he going to do it discuss both both are not unreasonable so uh i don't know the like would we say that for a lot of different final decisions from certain characters that are almost 50 50 um yeah we could uh but then again i don't know where i draw the line i i just feel like what i i do know i would have liked it better in this circumstance i i feel like it just fits for some reason i might not be able to describe um succinctly at the moment but um i don't know what do you think frango i don't know in general i don't know what do you think jago um i don't know i i feel like honestly um the entire the entire scene could have been cut and saved for season two where the guy where we're at where gihan sees the uh slapping faceman again i don't even feel that we need that in season one i like that just because it's a definitive piece of evidence that nothing has changed even with the old man having died it goes on us honestly you know i could i i think i prefer it not that he hangs up the phone and then it cuts i honestly would prefer it if he's like he's happy he's on the way to go see his daughter and then he just sees that and it's like fuck and that's the last beat that'd be interesting you can i think there's a lot of different places you yeah i think there's a lot of places with an ending like this that you could have cut it and ended it well can we at least all agree he sees it in his face drops and that's the end can we at least all agree that season two will be shit almost yeah absolutely yeah i feel like the games would be way more uh bombastic spectacular it'll probably be like two different groups of games at the same time or so i feel like that's gonna happen it's inevitable yeah i'm just bigger bigger bigger yeah some suit will say you look people love the fucking games we need every one game per episode at least two games in episode three that's like some other guy that the goat no three's too much there's another guy goes four and then the whole show is a game it never ends as long as it doesn't violate the rule of six six six six six yeah three apps so as long as there's not six to the power of six games in an episode you're good so that's the words like what about a game inside a game and it's like oh oh my god that actually might happen though yeah like the game isn't over when you think it is it starts up a new game straight away oh well that that could be all right to be fair the game isn't over when you think it is well the funny but they could do that well this is under the guise of cynical creation not like creative no yeah it was like that i was like yeah not when you think it is yeah that could totally fit in the car like the current split season a squid game yeah that could totally work but yeah um that's all the squid game you've had super chas oh boy i'm exhausted we got to seven hours uh it was wonderful so much was much talked about yeah six six six rule we've all learned it so um yeah i'll collect up the ones that came in today i'll add them to our listing i'm pretty sure the neck we've got a net loss of super chats to have to deal with so don't worry folks it's getting caught up with and eventually we've done it before we'll do it again we'll say hey that's it we caught up um then you'll just get more in no uh so will that be the end of efab forever then um updates tomorrow i'm pretty sure i'm on open bar i haven't actually checked with drinker for he's doing it on uh and then saturday will be efab and other than that i am working away on a video uh what about you guys what do you want what's going on with you what are you doing i got nothing new just chipping away hopefully that we what about you right oh i i kind of got it uh briefly a little bit before about the the vegas thing and um uh all of that but yeah things things will be coming don't worry don't worry jay one's the 13 season 13 breakdown something with that i'm going to wait for the specials to come out before i do that so that's going to come out next year at some point but i am doing something dr who related before then i'm doing you've seen this more you've seen what i'm doing i'm not going to create any hype or anti-hype for it right i wouldn't want to make people have expectations of any kind you could you confirm for me that it's very silly you want me to confirm that or that set expectations it's it's it's silly but it's also serious at the same time you know i like to think we have some fun but we make some points along the way i i'd say thematically it moved me thank you that's what i was going for oh no i said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud i like the simpsons yes so do i oh man it's talking i played a simpsons game today you played a game yeah i heard it's uh what's it called road rage i heard as well it going man just how do you get those sounds so accurate just so good okay uh i just i always feel like this most i should say but thanks for hanging out with us for the seven hours folks and um another successful catch up thank you so much for uh for for donating and we will we will definitely get to all of them eventually other than that e-fap we'll see you on saturday yeah we will see y'all later it'll be a fun one oh you yeah