This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including James C. Smith, Miranda Janell, Justin Zellers and our new patrons Kevin and Tim. On this episode of DTNS, Why Matter is probably five years away from making your smart home life truly easy. How Cleveland will make its internet cheap and fast and everybody's coming for open AI. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, October 23, 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. From Deep in the Heart of Texas. I'm Justin Robert Young. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Oh, everybody's making, are you making arm-based chips, Justin? Because everybody's making arm-based chips these days. You want to know what? I was about to do it and then I had to come on and do the show, but hopefully soon. Yeah, AMD's doing it. Apple does it. Microsoft wants everybody to do it. And Reuters sources say NVIDIA is designing arm-based CPUs that run Windows. CPUs. Not GPUs. NVIDIA make an arm-based CPUs. Well, let's see what else is in the quick hits. IP addresses. You need them if you want the traffic to get to the right place, but they could also be used to track you. Between Chrome 119 and Chrome 225, though, Google is going to test offering users IP proxies so that the traffic gets to them, but the tracking is useless because the proxy could be used for anybody. The test will start with US users and only be used with Google's own domains because they say they don't use IP addresses for tracking, so they don't care. And they want to test them on their own domains just to make sure everything's working first. Eventually, the feature will be expanded to include domains known to use IP address tracking. Proxy IPs will be chosen that roughly relate to your location as well so you won't fall afoul of any geo restrictions. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman sources indicate that Apple may indeed introduce a new 24-inch Mac as early as October 30th. Gurman calls it a Mac-centered launch event, but it's unclear if this means a live streamed announcement or just an announcement. Gurman also said that we might get minor chip upgrades to the 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pros and possibly a refreshed 13-inch MacBook Air. Configurations on all these models have shipping dates in November as of now. Apple took the unusual step of delaying its quarterly earnings reports into November, something that they've done before to accommodate late October product announcements. I guess it doesn't matter if they do a live streamed announcement or not. They do stuff's coming, but I'm kind of fascinated with whether they're actually going to do that or not. I think it's also just fascinating to see what the current meta of what rates an in-person announcement, what's a live streamed announcement, and what is in the Nintendo Direct era just, I don't know, upload a YouTube video. Yeah, just drop it. Excel, Microsoft Excel has a feature that automatically converts your cell info to dates when it thinks you're entering a date. The only way you could get around this till now was to format that cell differently, and that might not always hold in various exports and imports and this and that. So in 2020, this was causing scientists to rework how they named genes because some of the names of genes, and I think we even talked about this on DTS, would convert to dates. For example, there's a gene called membrane-associated ring CH type finger 1. They used to abbreviate it MARCH1, but of course, Excel would turn that into one MARCH, you know, like a date. So they changed the name to be MARCHF1 to have just to avoid Excel converting it. Well, finally, last week, Microsoft pushed a fix for Excel on Windows and Mac OS. There's now a checkbox for convert continuous letters and numbers to a date that you can uncheck to say, don't do that. No word on if they're going to change any of those gene names back there. PlayStation announced that Spider-Man 2 sold 2.5 million copies in its first 24 hours, making it the fastest selling PlayStation Studios game ever. God of War, Ragnarok sold 5.1 million in sales in its first week, which at the time was the fastest selling first party Sony title. So at this rate, Spider-Man 2 is the first major third party released to be available on the PS5 and not the PS4. Well, next time you take a long time to patch some software, just be glad you're not NASA and then you'll feel faster. The organization just sent a patch to Voyager 2. Voyager 2 is 12 billion miles away. So the patch takes 18 hours to get to it and then 18 hours for them to tell if it got it. Last year, Voyager 1 somehow flipped into an incorrect mode and began sending some random data. So NASA mitigated the issue and created a patch. But before it pushes it to Voyager 1, it wants to test it on Voyager 2 because Voyager 2 is closer to Earth. Voyager 2 also experienced an issue you may remember when some commands inadvertently caused its antenna to get two degrees out of alignment and they were able to fix that by essentially shouting at it and getting it back. But that was different than this. This patch is for something else. Both of these probes have been in operation for 46 years. Now that is commitment to support. Yeah. Yeah. Take that, Android. I know. NASA provides 46 years of software updates. Nationalized Android. All right. Let's talk matter. Matter is one of those things you're going to keep hearing will solve all your smart home problems someday. But you're going to wonder why it's taken so long. And a lot of people already are saying it's a failure. A lot of people are going to continue to think it's a failure until one day when everything's matter compliant and nobody even questions. It's just a standard and you get excited about new versions of the updates because that's what happened with Bluetooth. If you remember far enough back, people were talking, will Bluetooth really catch on? Our manufacturer is going to adopt Bluetooth. Is it the wireless protocol? And these days, nobody wonders if headphones are going to support Bluetooth. They just get excited when there's new Bluetooth features that come to your headphones. So matter.  Tom, I'm very glad you asked. Matter is an open source software layer standard for communicating between smart home devices that's supposed to be supported by all major players. Its goal is when you buy a smart home device as long as it's matter compliant, you install it and it works. It works with all your other smart home devices, no matter who made them, including Apple, Google, Amazon and Samsung. It goes along with Thread, which is the networking protocol for sending messages. Matter can use Thread, Wi-Fi or Ethernet. Yeah. Okay. So the news today is that matter 1.2 is here. This is one year. Yeah. One year after the official launch of matter, we are already up to 1.2. 1.2 adds support for refrigerators, robot vacuums, smoke alarms, carbon monoxide alarms, air quality sensors of other sorts, air purifiers, air conditioners, fans, washing machines and dishwashers. This is a big expansion from the launch a year ago, which did door locks and light bulbs. You're getting I think about 20 categories now that are supported. The basic feature set now includes start and stop, change the mode and some basic notifications. Some categories support more features like vacuums, you can do remote start, fans, you can do movement controls like oscillations and angles. So you should be able to control a matter compliant robot vacuum from Apple Home now. That was a sticking point for some robot vacuum owners. You would not need to set up an app for each appliance that is matter compliant. You buy a dishwasher that's matter and you've got any matter compliant hub like an Echo or an Apple HomePod or a Google Nest, something like that. You don't have to go and get the LG app and set it up. It just it'll work with your system. That's the promise of matter. Also, this new update adds ecosystem to ecosystem, which if you have two of these hubs, let's say you have a HomePod and a Google Nest, before now, if you change the name on one, it wouldn't necessarily translate to the other with ecosystem to ecosystem in 1.2. If you change the name to kitchen light on one, it'll eventually change it on the other one. Now, here's the downside. Everybody supports matter. Everybody's on board to develop matter. All the big ones, all the ones Justin mentioned, Google, Samsung, Apple, Amazon, all the major appliance manufacturers, LG, Samsung and everybody, they're all on board. But that doesn't mean that they've added the support to every one of their products. There's a difference between saying, yes, we are developing for matter. And yes, we've actually pushed the software update that will add the matter support to the product. Each device decides when it will update to matter 1.2. And with this update, nobody is committing to a date. Now, there's been a few companies say we'll do it soon. But that's the closest we've gotten to any kind of promise. Some people gave vaguer like, yes, yes, it's in development sort of answers. Devices that support matter 1.2 aren't expected to start showing up until 2024. So we also don't even have big ones in here. Cameras are not in 1.2, ovens are not in 1.2. So Justin, I hear a lot of people get upset and say like, matter was supposed to make everything easy and it doesn't, it's a flop. Well, here's the reality of the hill that it's trying to climb. It doesn't succeed until it's completed pretty much 100% of the goal that you would want. It is an audacious promise to say that you are going to be a layer of communication between not only a lot of companies that don't have a tremendous amount of good feelings toward each other, but also are trying to sell things that when you're talking about dishwashers, you might only buy once. And in the world of internet of things devices, if you can anchor somebody with one expensive purchase, then you are more likely to buy some of your more affordable purchases. But that being said, I would agree that if matter is not at the point where it's ubiquitous, then it has certainly not succeeded. I don't know if I would go so far as to say failed. The other side of that coin is it hasn't succeeded until it gets to be Bluetooth. Yeah, exactly. Like I think we are in the situation where we've made a lot of progress because the Echo supports it, the HomePod supports it, the Nest supports it, etc. SmartThings supports it. But all the device makers are looking at development and updates into their existing product lines as a cost. So there are things like TVs that have got it in the pipeline and now it's rolling. But if you're a dishwasher maker, you're like, is it worth the cost to support it yet? I want to support it when everyone else is supporting it. And I don't want to be left behind, but I don't necessarily want to splash out on that money immediately. I might want to save that money, especially in this economy, right? So there's a lot of eyeballing each other, waiting for everyone to jump in the pool. And I think we need a few more matter feature updates and product categories supported that will then cause a few manufacturers to take a flyer because they want to use that to market. And then that will cause everyone else to get in. But it might be five years for it to work through the system. Yeah. I think there's a cultural element to this, too, that you're going to have to see a consumer demand for it just works. I'm excited that it just works. Devices being marketed as that matter compliant. It's a reason to buy this thing that earns that corner of the marketplace. Yeah. And then once that starts to happen, then the ones that aren't matter compliant stop selling as well because the people who are helping you at the Home Depot go, well, that one, which one do you have at home? See, this one's matter. So you can just buy it and no, but that one. Yeah. And I don't think that considering everybody's already bought in, I don't think you're going to get a ton of holdouts, per se, but it does show a reason why you are going to outlay it, outlay the money to support it is because you're going to sell more. And that is the key. All of these manufacturers are in part of the alliance. All of them are supporting the standard. Yes. It's just, well, but I don't know if I want to spend the money to be the first one to put it on my device.  Tector reports on another effort in the US for a city to bring increased connectivity in the face of powerful broadband monopolies. Cleveland. Cleveland has been labeled worst connected city in the US as recently as 2020, but it's turning things around. And to continue to improve the city is working with a company called sci fi networks, not S Y F Y, not a C I F I, it's S I F I sci fi or SIFI will spend $500 million to build an open access fiber network at no cost to the Cleveland taxpayer. The city will pave the way sometimes literally to make it easy for sci fi to roll this out, you know, the permits, any kind of easing of the wheels, that kind of stuff. And then sci fi makes its money back by leasing access to ISPs. They're requiring and agreeing to open that network and say anybody can run an ISP. We're just maintaining the fiber network. Such projects have been done before in lots of places around the world. They tend to lower the cost for ISP market entry, which increases competition and lowers consumer prices. Now, in a city the size of Cleveland, you can expect opposition and probably lawsuits from at least AT&T and maybe Cox cable. Those are the two big ISPs in Cleveland. And Cleveland will hope that sci fi is competent. It's it's doing this in other cities, but it actually hasn't finished anywhere else. So we really need to see that they know what they're doing. We're not saying they don't, but you know, it's yet to be proved. So not just the rollout, but the management of the network. However, it's another example of the desire for improved broadband, pushing back against the resistance of these entrenched companies. This is one of those uniquely American problems. I don't know of another country that has the same kind of confluence of local regulations, local rule and what has eventually in the world of being able to dig cable lines. That's where a lot of these conflicts really stem from was the boom of cable in the seventies and eighties for telecom companies to give themselves soft oligopolies throughout our 50 states. And what this is, is an attempt to break that to say, okay, we are going to give somebody the ability to create a lot of different competitors because you'll be able to sell your product over top of this infrastructure. It's very interesting. I do think it's going to get sued. I wouldn't be shocked if the lawsuits win, but there is no question that the second the careful oligopolies are disrupted prices come down for consumers in this market here, Austin, Texas, it only took about a month for Google Fiber to be in this market for AT&T to offer a competitive fiber service for around the same price. And I don't think that that was a that was in any way a coincidence. Yeah. And if you're wondering, folks, the lawsuits aren't, you know, like, I think it should be illegal for anyone else to run internet. It's usually something around poll access, something is or or the right of way to dig up a street. Now, the city manages the right of way. They provide the permits. And I think that's part of what Cleveland is offering here is like, we'll we'll speed up your access. Maybe AT&T can do a lawsuit that says it's Cleveland is unfairly speeding up access. They might take that tactic. More likely they would take a tactic of saying it is unsafe to give this company poll access because we already have our wires here and they should notify us and they try to put a bunch of speed bumps and obstacles in the way. Other countries don't run into this as often because they have a national standard. I know in Korea and Japan, particularly the location of some of the fastest internet on the planet, if not the fastest internet on the planet, the country says everybody can run as many lines as they want. So you often will have apartment buildings in those countries where there are five fiber providers that are running lines. Now you may say that sounds redundant and wasteful, but it means you have like true competition for high speed broadband. And that's usually one of the arguments against doing it the way Cleveland's doing it, where you're just granting a monopoly to one company to run the lines and open the access. Chatnuga, Tennessee, on the other hand, did that. They had a company build and roll out the fiber and they've had gigabit internet for 10 years or maybe more. So it can work. And also part of the reason why America is an interesting case is because we do have a tremendous strata between very dense cities and rural areas. And yeah, so it's hard to create a national policy, right? Yeah. And because it costs, I mean, like the infrastructure costs, that's what a lot of these, if you're going to steal me on the argument from the villainous telecoms, their argument is we spend a ton of money making sure that we get access to far flung reaches of America. If we only did the most profitable things, then we would be in fewer places. And so that's why we very fiercely protect our rights to go X, Y, or Z with our lawyers and our lobbying. Well, folks, if you got thoughts on this, I know several of you do, send us your thoughts over the social networks. We are at DTNS show on X. We are at DTNS show at mstdn.social on Mastodon. We're at Daily Tech News Show on TikTok. We are DTNS pics PIX on Instagram and on threads. Bunch of AI stories out today, all pointing in an interesting direction, running through some of them. TechCrunch reports Apple recently upped the number of job postings it has related to generative models. The descriptions include things like developer support. So using AI to help code, customer support, chatbots and things, making models work locally on a device, something that's important for Apple. Mark Gurman sources say Apple plans to spend a billion dollars a year on developing generative models for things like coding, creating music playlists for you, completing text in pages and things like that. CNN has a story about the promise of generative models in video games. We've talked about NPCs using conversational chatbots to kind of spice things up when they talk to you. Open worlds can be generated with generative models as well. There's some less covered ground in the CNN story too, like player personalization and customization, as well as plain old help for the developers who are creating the software for the games. And a Bloomberg story adds on to the video game conversation saying generative tools might lower the costs of making a AAA game by as much as 15%. And that would benefit the bigger platforms. Now, follow me here. Microsoft and Sony might benefit the most from this because as the barrier to entry lowers, as it gets cheaper to create a AAA title, more companies are going to do it. And so smaller game companies are going to suffer more from that direct competition than the big ones do. Now it's clear that companies feel that generative models are real business that can win over customers at lower costs. So the conventional wisdom has been that there will be a fight amongst companies like OpenAI, Meta, Anthropic, and Google to provide the tools. This could be similar to the competition for cloud services. And on that point of cloud services, I did want to note this tech crunch article today. A company called ZenML, where the ML is machine learning, is developing an open source model to make AI development modular and local to your company. So it can combine a bunch of tools for models suited particularly to your company's needs. It uses the concept of pipelines and can connect a lot of open source tools and resources wherever they are. You've got them local, you've got them on-prem, you've got cloud services. It can pipe them all together and make a model specific to you that doesn't cost as much as using OpenAI's API. ZenML offers the system open source on GitHub, and then they make their money by providing support and offering things like a cloud version for you if you don't have the ability to do that yourself and you want to. All of that without relying entirely on one API. So the thing I pulled out of this is that the video games is more about using the tools, but the Apple thing and the ZenML thing particularly are that there is lots of room for people to come at OpenAI because everyone knows that OpenAI just has the early advantage, not a permanent advantage, and then it's costly to do things at the scale that OpenAI is doing. It's extraordinarily costly. Let me go to the Apple thing first. I do believe that they are the sleeping giant in this field. I don't think that anybody could have the impact on the AI space, at least as we understand it now with primarily LLMs that are capturing the fascination of the world. Nobody has the hardware install. Nobody has the money that Apple has. I mean, we are at a point now where if you saw at one of these Apple keynotes, Sam Altman make another trip on a keynote stage, maybe this time with three collars, real heads know, that that would make Siri a million times better tomorrow. I think that it could radically change and reshape how we understand and interact with our phones and Apple owning all of that hardware technology and the relationship with the customer, I think would matter a lot. It seems like they are going to go in-house with it. I think it's a smart move. Will they be able to do it? That's a larger question. Yeah. It's not like they've just started developing it. They've been developing this sort of thing for a while. They're ramping up. I think that is more significant than starting. It's that they have been developing something because they thought it might be interesting. Now they've decided it's interesting. Now they've decided it's a product and it's something that they can use. That's typical Apple. Apple didn't bring the iPad to the market first. They didn't even bring the smartphone to the market first. No. They waited to identify when they thought it was real and then poured a bunch of resources into it to bring it. Now it doesn't always work. They've been doing that with automated cars, autonomous cars for years and have not brought a product yet. I'm not saying they won't, but that's one that hasn't yet borne fruit.  I do think it is not a fad, that it is a useful thing. Like anything that's popular, there's a lot of people claiming it can do things that it can't, but it can do a lot of things and Apple knows that. Look, and I think part of it is for them, the shifting of machine learning being something that they're interested in and where we are right now with LLMs and the projection of what they can be because there's been machine learning on these phones for a long time. There's a reason why it knows all the faces of the people that I talk to the most and it will recommend photos of them. There's a reason why that is done well because they have quantified how that is going to elicit the most excitement out of me. That's different than the idea of interacting with your phone in a more intimate way that has access to information that you wouldn't want to upload to the internet. That's the promise of a fully integrated LLM with Apple's suite of things. When you look at stuff where for whatever we're going to say about Apple Pro Vision is going to be, physical interaction with things is not going to be easy or not as easy as it will be with a keyboard or with a phone in tapping onto the screen. They're going to want more and better voice interaction and that's the promise of where we are right now with stuff like chat GPT. Apple has machine learning chips already built in. They built into the processor. They have the power to do a lot of things on device. Large language models have shown that when properly trained, they can do some really impressive stuff with that data set. A lot of the hallucinations and the negative things are because models like chat GPT-3 were trained on everything. They mimic and can use everything that they were trained on. If Apple comes and says, hey, we've got a large language model that was trained on you and you alone on your device and it's not in the cloud and so it's going to be an expert on you. It may not be able to tell you who won the 1976 World Series, but it will be able to tell you when you need to leave to go to your appointment accurately instead of the guests you get from calendar right now. It will be able to alert you to things that you didn't know you needed to know because it's analyzing everything that it knows about you. When's the last time that, did I leave my brother on read because he texted me six days ago, but it knows it's my brother and it knows, oh, you should probably text him back. Don't leave him hanging. Yeah. These are all the things that Apple has a tremendous advantage towards and I have wondered when they are going to put their chips in the middle of the table and say, either through a partnership or through an acquisition or through their own development, what they're going to do right now, we have seen that they are serious. I do not feel like this is the last story we are going to hear about where they want to go with LLM specifically. All right. We got one last thing here from Dan Campos who hosts Noticias de Tecnología Express, our Spanish language technology program, the Gray Market. Gray Market is a great source for getting a discount on like a name brand phone.  You're giving up support, but shoppers in Mexico have found some of their Gray Market purchased phones. Just don't work anymore. And Dan Campos explains. In Mexico, over the past few weeks, brands like OPPO and Motorola have been sending notifications to cell phone users who bought imported phones from third party sellers. Additionally, Samsung has initiated phone blocking while also offering a 30% discount coupon for purchasing a new phone from an official seller. While this campaign aimed to alert users about the potential incompatibility of phones imported from other markets, such as China or the United States, with Mexico's networks, it ultimately ended up penalizing the end users. Last week, the Federal Communications Institute issued a statement condemning the blocking of phones. Following this, Motorola released a statement indicating that they will begin blocking theirs, while Samsung is still considering their next steps. Motorola has explained that the decision to block gray phones steamed from internal studies revealing that the gray market was causing a 70% reduction in potential sales for the brand in the phone market. For more information about this, check the latest Noticias de Tecnología Express. Back to you, amigos. Thank you so much, Dan Campos. And real quickly, I'm gonna... Muchas gracias. Muchas gracias, Dan. Danilo. Bodi was among the people who pointed out that beyond the cyber truck Tesla's next thing is also an affordable EV coming sometime after the factory in Mexico has been built. And Bodi also wanted to note, among other people, that Elon's comment about we dug our own grave with the cyber truck in context of the earnings call was more as sort of a joke. There were laughs, which you don't usually hear on an earnings call. Bodi doesn't think Tesla is feeling immediate pressure from other EV makers. He agreed with a lot of the points that were made on the Friday show. But he wanted to point out, Tesla reported that the average build price for all four Tesla models is $37,500. So even with the price cuts, they still have some margin to play with.  But the biggest thing that Bodi noted is like, Tesla sold 325,291 EVs in the US. The number two EV seller was Chevy with 34,943. So they are still ahead. Even if they had a rougher quarter, they're still far ahead. Thank you to Justin Robert Young, my friend. What's going on? Well, Tom, you have a podcast that I work on and it's called Know a Little More. And I gotta say that these episodes that have come out over the last few weeks have been among my favorite. Head on over there right now. We are wrapping around to the final episodes about the mother of all demos, the trailblazing demonstration for which technologies debuted and then took decades to make it in to the marketplace. Probably the most tortured path was for collaborative editing. And that episode is coming up soon. Yeah. This week, I think would be a great time to get in on Know a Little More because from episode one to the one that's coming out this week is a complete overview of what DeG Engelbart demonstrated in 1968 and how we're just now within the past several years, seeing the fruition of all that stuff. It's a fun story. And Justin, thank you for helping me tell it in a better way. Well, we do our best. Indeed. All right, patrons, stick around for the extended show, Good Day Internet. Justin wants to talk about the state of content moderation on the internet. Wish me luck. You may think this is a horrible time to be talking about that, but Justin wants to make the argument that this is actually the best time to be talking about that. You can also catch the show live Monday through Friday, 4 p.m. Eastern, 2800 UTC. Find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live back tomorrow talking artificial wombs with Emily Newitz. See you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. 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ఇధికాాలారిలికాల్టితిదాలికారాంరిని. అందిఛియాసినియారీినిటికియావికికిటంచిటికికిటి అఀందిక౿కిటికికి఻గిని. The minister discussed this while speaking on flight destruction challenges during a meeting with the officials of airline operators of Nigeria, AON in Abuja. Kayamo said the regulators will begin to implement the provision of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority, NCAAA act that mandates airlines to compensate passengers for delays, cancellations of flights, shadows caused by the airlines. Joining me to discuss this is Afolabi Sholebo, General Manager Lagonstate Consumer Protection Agency. Good evening, this evening, Afolabi. Yeah, good evening, sir. It's a pleasure to be on your program. And it's a pleasure to have you. Okay. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much. Yes, like you said, I'm the general manager of Lagonstate Consumer Protection Agency. And the agency was established for hopefully to ensure that conglomerate in Lagonstate would get satisfaction and value for money, and also to protect them against any form of other drug products, on safe trade practices, and even selling expired products. The Consumer Protection Agency is very wide. It covers all categories of breach of consumer rights. And the topic for discussion is no exception. And it is something that has been on my mind for a couple of times. I remember coming to Abuja to see the first chairman of the Federal Competition on Consumer Protection Agency. And I specifically mentioned this issue and we both agreed that it is not right, and it is a detriment of the consumers. Until I was lectured or enlightened this morning, like I told you, I felt it was an exclusive federal matter. But somebody then told me and said, Bola, you know what, most of the transactions are done in states. And state consumer protection officers should be able, if a resident of the state has not gotten value for his or her money, should be able to go to the Consumer Protection Agency. So you are telling me affirmatively at this juncture that it is within your portfolio to so protect the right of anybody that buys an air ticket in Lagos and who experiences consolation and delays without being adequately compensated. Definitely, yes. Most of the airlines do have the offices in Lagos. And I could say that the majority of the consumers are in Lagos. The inflow and hard flow of aircraft from Lagos to other parts of the country. It is something that you cannot, you know, just push away like that. And we have, it is within the jurisdiction of the Lagos State Consumer Protection Agency, except that when we have a synergy with the federal competition and consumer protection agency to protect all consumers, because what we've been dealing with before under the right of consumers is consumer to cancel, advance with a version of booking. And I can tell you that we are missing words that a lot of those aircraft have been invited to this office. Unfortunately, unfortunately, most of the cases have been resolved in favor of the consumers. So the LACOPA, as I say, the Lagos State Consumer Protection Agency is in synergy with the federal competition and consumer protection agency. So it is within our jurisdiction to ensure that consumers do get value for the money, especially since the joints of the aircraft do have their offices here in Lagos where bookings are made. And the pronouncement of the Minister of Aviation is a welcome development because the issue of flight disruption is a detachment of the consumers. And if consumers get value for their money... Listen to you now. I feel like slapping myself. You know why? About more than a year ago, about a year and a month ago, a ticket, a return ticket to Abuja was bought for me. I got to the airport very early that morning. The airline was suspended by NCAA.  Indeed, about two or three months ago, the airline was trying to cajole me or force me to go to Enugu. We had no transaction and instead of just refunding money for a penalty that they suffered because they failed to meet the minimum safety measure of NCAA. Now they have held my complex money for more than a year. They have not recompensed me and they are even bouncing me. They are kind of cajoling me to go to a destination where I have nothing to do at all. And I can tell you what I mean. The transaction was conducted in Lagos. And you are supposed to get satisfaction for your money. You are supposed to get value for your money. If it is at your own making that your flight was delayed or cancelled, definitely you should get a response. The airline was actually suspended. If they are suspended, they have insurance and I believe that they can pay you. It is what they do. See, in that time we take the issue of consumers in this country. On me are more concerned about Lagos state. We should take them into consideration and ensure that consumers in Lagos state will use the slogan that consumers are king. And as far as known as the Lagos state consumer protection remains, consumers will remain kings no matter whose ox is God. I can tell you. And as far as known as Lagos state, I have always said that there is zero tolerance for breach of consumer rights in Lagos state. So in the backdrop of the Honorable Minister's remark yesterday, what can somebody of your structure and position do to help many like me articulate their rights in law? Because according to the minister yesterday, there are actually some one or two statutes that protect the consumers rights. And yet many of us are just walking, you know, we deal with the airlines as zombies and they take advantage of our ignorance. Yes, thank you very much. I see. What we keep telling people is that they have rights. And whenever you think there's a breach of that right, it's a big regret. And in Lagos state, the only reason that it's a big regret is the Lagos state consumer protection. And yes, from statutes, I will tell you not in the year 2022 alone about. Hello, are you there? Yes, I am here. Okay then. For the 7000 water for four flights were delayed or cancelled. And this is not a result of maybe the making of the consumer. This is where the polluted they have to buy the NCAA. That cancellation or delay and fright the consumers are supposed to be compensated. If the airline does not have the capacity to make correct financial obligations. Because they don't want to bear problems. It's no. But once they will keep educating consumers, they have rights. Most people will say hello and leave it to God. But if you have worked very hard for your money. I mean, worked very hard for your money. And you were supposed to be offline with service that you pay for. Definitely. If you get value for your money and satisfaction, it is simple. Flight delays and some cases after cancellation means the consumers will suffer. So when will the consumer go? I really am very happy that we have you this evening. You know why? If it could happen to me and I am acting as though I am a place and I know somebody like you and I forgot that it's a strictly consumer protection issue. And I didn't take it to somebody like you. I didn't even approach it with my sister. Why? Earlier contacted this morning. Then I'm thinking do we have a culture of, if I say quote alone, I pass it to God's court. Is that correct? I think that is one of the mistakes or the mistakes most consumers are making. I can quickly refer you to the social media handles of the legacy consumer protection agency and look at things that we've done. And I will tell you that if you go through a browse through, you will see that so many airlines issues are the result. So many, I am not talking about local airlines. Even international. Money that we have founded back to consumers. Because mostly I know that consumers are right. But it is the only way consumers know their rights and where to seek redress. That is why they engage jobs. And I can tell you without missing words that legacy consumer protection agency will do everything within the ambit of the law to protect the legacy. So anybody that transgresses legacy. Let me be a bit more forensic in the questions I ask now. You are practically telling me that once the commercial or contractual transaction took place on terra firma legacy consumer protection agency is there to protect the customer. Yes, the legacy consumer protection is there to protect the consumers. And this is possible because we will appoint both the legacy laws and the Federal Competition on Consumer Protection Act of 2018. And also we have this energy. The Federal Commission on Consumer Protection Agency be a stakeholder when it comes to the issue of protecting consumers. We have this energy. So most times we do see the guys together on issues. But this is the jurisdiction. If it is a jurisdiction, all we need to do is just communicate with the Federal Competition. And we can get the go ahead. And most times we do get the go ahead because we are all facing the same things. And the aim of both agencies and the commission is to protect consumers in Nigeria and legacy respectively. And what we have been doing. For anybody watching this program as it is now. And he or she is feeling oh, I bought that item. I remember the last time I brought you on my show. It was in respect of an article I read about you. You protected a consumer who was about being robbed of his privileges and rights by a major electronic shop where he bought a phone item and the item did not serve, did not live up to the purpose and you went into it and you almost got the place shut down and they recompensed the gentleman. He wrote a fantastic piece about that. For anybody watching now wanting to raise an issue related to consumer protection which social media platform or Andrews should they be looking at? Or how could they get in touch with you on your office? Thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much. Yes, I am very good. I remember the video that was invented by you when that happened. And to many people it was a shock. There is an agency that can actually protect the rights of consumers. Not only in Lagos, but in Lagos and it is a virus. See, people can, we are on all social media handles. We are on Instagram. We are on Twitter which is now X and also on Facebook. And after that incident went viral. We will receive so many complaints. And I cannot show you. When we have over 8347 complaints and results over 8234 of it. That shows more than 90%. And people can even get us on Facebook LESD COOPER. On X LESD COOPER. Then on Instagram LESD COOPER at Instagram. It is easy. All you need to do is watch your company. If you cannot come to our office at Saudi Arabian Bar, close of Allen Avenue. We also have other office at Picoio Ballendi, by Riga, by Daigre, equal to do and your local government. So, it is the consumer thing. And even the service providers, the manufacturers, the marketers, they know all this. Maybe I didn't tell you about the case of the, I wouldn't mention the name now. An auto company. They are sold vehicles. They are sold vehicles. And we got complaints that the vehicles were under 3-4 months. Vehicles are supposed to last for 3 years or they are about to warranty. And they took it to the show. And they lost it. Nothing has no refund policy. That's another thing people don't know. There is nothing. Like no refund policy. It is there. We will recover 1.3 million euros for those vehicles. Because they don't refund for the vehicles. The components are still alive. There was a glitch when we were talking. I would want you to carefully repeat this. You are saying that there is nothing, like no refund policy in legal state that should work or will work against consumers. Yes. And I reconfirm there is nothing like no refund policy. Let consumers not be taken by what they write on their receipt and everything. The position of the law is very clear. Most federal and states. There is nothing like no refund policy. If a product is sold to you and not put on some means of satisfaction or the product in most cases is destructive in nature. Definitely. You have the right for replacements or refunds. If the product is not replaced for you you have the right to get refunds. And I can assure you the record is there. When you go on social media handles, you will see. People don't go to the extent of telling their testimonies. All those testimonies are there. This is not something that you can conjure. Okay. Let's use this opportunity now for you to gently but in wrapping up close by telling our viewers how they can engage your agency should they be in a sorry situation like I found myself and I forgot that I have that agency to hand. Yes. Thank you very much. If a consumer read out there I will have have you purchased a product recently or have you been rendered any service that you are not satisfied with? Please do not suffer in silence. As a consumer you have right to safety. You have right to be informed. You also have right to choose and be heard. You have right for satisfaction of basic needs. Please come to the Augustine Consumer Protection Agency and speak redress because we have right to consumer education and healthy environment and wherever any of those rights have been breached in all categories of consumer bridge please make a complaint and speak redress at the Legal State Consumer Protection Agency. Our office is located at number 2B Sao-ji Adipi Battalos of Halena Avenue. You can also reach us in any of our nursing offices you can call your family day by Riga, by that grade you can call your local government and also by that grade local government. We can also reach us on all this number 0812499 3895 081 2499 3895 and 08095 507 50977 080 Our fallabishable time is not quite very kind on a program like this. I really want to appreciate you for this value addition to our viewing public. Thank you for coming. That is how we wrap up that segment. We go on a short break and we will be back.


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This is socket number 10318, we are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, you're new and used heavy duty truck and RAM headquarters. Today we are checking out possibly one of the cleanest 2015 RAM 52500 crew cab short box trucks that we have ever had on our lot. This is a Laramie Longhorn and it has the 6.7 liter Cummins diesel. On this HD video you will be able to tell just how clean this truck is all the way around. Prairie Pearl Coat is the color and we shoot all of our videos in 1080p so if you have HD capabilities on your computer tablet or smartphone device, turn them on right now because it is like you're right here looking at the truck with me and definitely your best way to check out the vehicle before seeing it in person and if you want to check out more pictures in the upper right hand part of the screen is a link right to this vehicle on our website. So click that and check out those photos. This has the 20 inch painted and polished aluminum rims, brand new Firestone TransForce LT28560R20 tires. We put these tires on during our safety inspection and we have four brand new tires all the way around. Frame and underbody is extremely clean. Front fender, no dents or dings has the projector lamp, headlamps, the LED running lights, factory fog lights, chrome trimmed grille and chrome trimmed bug shield, no dents or dings on the hood and the passenger side fender is an excellent condition as well. Passengers side front rim, no scuffs or scrapes on that and as you go down this side of the truck take note of how clean the body is, how reflective and perfect that paint is. We take these HD videos so if you are far away or even if you're close by and just cannot make the trip down you can still see the truck, hear the truck and of confidence in the vehicle that you're looking at before you even get here so that when you do get here there's absolutely no surprises or if you get the truck shipped to you you'll know exactly what you're getting. Bringing that up we do offer the Summit FastPass where you can go right on our website, apply for financing, check out your payments, you can even get an estimate on your trade and do all that on the website so that when you get here your deal is completely buttoned up and you're ready to go. It has amp research, power, fold down running boards and it also has the LED lights there as well. Those running boards are in really nice condition and work really good. Back rim, absolutely perfect, no scuffs or scrapes and the back tires are brand new as well. Frame and underbody, very clean, has all the remaining factory exhaust, has been up and altered, has some timbering, extra load, I'm not really sure if they're called springs but they're extra load pieces of rubber that go in there. Rear bumper is absolutely perfect, no dents or dings on that. Full towing package, 4-pin and 7-pin wiring, you can get a really good idea that prairie pearl coat color, it's kind of a goldish green, very nice and clean and it does have a fold to cover, hard fold up tonneau cover. Back here we have an 18k ease lift 5th wheel that comes with the truck, spray in bed liner and you do get these 7-pin wiring back here, bed's in excellent shape and that looks like a pretty heavy duty, really nice 5th wheel as well.  I would not hesitate if I was cross country and wanting this truck, this would be the one to buy out of state I guess you could say. There's that other timbering piece right there, no scuffs or scrapes on that back rim and down the rest of this side of the vehicle, very very clean. It does have the heated fold out tow mirrors, they also fold in and I do believe they are power fold in which we'll check on in just a second, you can see that that running board comes out nice as well. Inside the Laramie Longhorn package gives you the brown leather interior with the intricate stitching on it, the Laramie Longhorn patch sewn on the back, memory driver seat, lumbar, both these seats are heated and cooled, factory all-weather floor mats, power windows, power locks, power mirrors, real wood grain trim and those mirrors do power fold in like I said and they also power fold out. This is auto headlamps, power pedals, steering wheel controls and as we hop inside here you can see that this one has 30,807 miles, you can see that it has the tire pressure monitoring system outside temperature compass display and of course your digital speedometer is right there. That's the Laramie Longhorn instrument cluster, heated leather wrapped and wood grain trim steering wheel, cruise controls on the right, Bluetooth and information center controls on the left, audio controls on the back, comes with the six speed automatic transmission, the 8.4 3C radio with the factory navigation, FM and Sirius XM radio capabilities, you can do your heated and cooled seats there as well, this one does have a CD player and you can also do your climate control here as well and if you don't like your climate control up there you can do it down here too.  It has a 115 volt, 150 watt plug-in, Alpine premium sound system of course with the Laramie Longhorn, this one has the keyless entry system with the factory remote start, passenger side seat and floor mat are in excellent condition as well, this truck has never been smoked in, no pets that I could see has a power sunroof, power sliding rear window, map lights, home link buttons for your garage door security systems and lighting systems and finally has the 911 and assist buttons in the rear view mirror, I said that it does have a CD player and that CD player is in the center console, looks like we have the original window sticker on this truck, it was originally a $67,855 truck, has the 342 gears with the anti-spin and feel free to pause the video to check out that buyer's guide. Very very clean inside this truck, we'll take a look at the back seats and then we'll check out under the hood, the back seats are just as clean as the front seats, they are heated on the outboard side, you still have all that intricate stitching and design in the seats there, the long horn patches on the back rest, latch child safety system for your car seats, you get the saddle bags on the back of the seats in front, there are your heated seat buttons, the all weather floor mat all the way across and it's a timber suspension enhancement system so it's like two rubber stoppers that attach to the frame to give you a little bit extra on your payload there to keep your truck from sagging and stuff, so that's what those do, has the load floor which is really nice, it goes down nice and flat, if you got pats or something you can put it down, you got a nice flat place to lay it or you can put your muddy boots or tools on there so you're not going to wreck your nice Laramie long horn seats, here's a receiver hitch reducer and storage underneath the seats, the other side has the factory subwoofer and underneath here, two in-floor storage bins with removable bins for easy cleaning, but ice and drinks in there and it's like you have too many coolers wherever you go, finally you have the child safety locks in the door right there and we'll take a quick look under the hood, I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today, hopefully from this HD video you will have been able to tell just how clean this truck is all the way around inside and out so you can make a smart buying decision whether you're close by or out of state, engine base very clean runs very smooth this truck has been fully safe to and inspected by our service shop has a fresh oil and filter change all the fluids have been checked and topped off, this truck has been gone through mechanically 100% has four brand new tires and is 100% ready to go, I would highly recommend this one from a quality and condition standpoint, very very well maintained and very very clean and to see more pictures of this truck or one of our other 450 new and used cars, trucks, SUVs, minivans, wranglers, halftons, recorded tons, one tons, you name it we got to go to our website www.summitauto.com full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations all at summitauto.com if you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summit auto remember to like subscribe and share on this video and all the videos that you see there in fact in a second you will see link to subscribe to our YouTube channel on your left a link to more heavy-duty truck videos like this one on your right if you have not been to our website on the bottom link to this vehicle on our website click those check us out and we really look forward to helping you with this super clean 2015 Ram 2500 crew cab short box Laramie Longhorn Cummins diesel three-quarter ton truck thanks again


A few months ago, I was having a conversation with the guy who invested a lot of money into my business. My question to him was, why did you trust me enough to have invested such amount in my business?  He didn't know anything much about me, nor did I have any collateral for the money he invested in my business. He simply trusted who I was, even as a stranger. What mavelled me was I wanted to know the reason why he would take such risk and invest such amount of money in my business two years ago. I'll use this story to show you the reason why you don't get other people to raise capital or support your business and show you what to do if you want to get others to invest in your business. If you're new here, consider subscribing so that you won't miss other interesting videos like this. How to get Soldiers to the War Imagine yourself to be an army general with the duty of getting your guys to fight and risk their lives for you. What is the single most important skill you'll need to possess? Enthusiasm is the single most important skill you'll need to get men and women to risk their lives for your cause.  The same thing is what happens when entrepreneurs try to raise capital for their businesses. You must act like a general and be able to show investors that the market is yours. You have to convince them with facts and stories how better you are than every other competitor. You have to be able to show them how much you've prepared and most importantly, what they stand to gain if they risk their money on you.  My personal story. In the year 2000 and age, when I wanted to go fully into the business world, my elder brother told me that I can't succeed because our parents are poor and that was the fact. But I didn't want to believe the facts. I wanted to go with my guts and my gut was influenced by the books I've read years before that conversation. So it happened that I've studied to understand that there's something called other people's money and since I understood that I could use it up people's money to start a business, my only concern was to learn how to just do that. I started reading about negotiation, human relationship and a lot of other stuff like that. I started trying the strategies I learned from books and each time I made mistakes, I will adjust my strategy for another encounter. So in the year 2016, I had a business idea and I did not have the money to execute it. I then reached out to a guy I met on Facebook and told him about my business. For some of you who know that I don't use Facebook, this happened before I deleted my Facebook profile. We arranged a meeting and I showed him what my business is all about and how I was destined to win big through it. He decided to invest in my idea and he dropped more money than I initially expected, making him the biggest investor in my business till this day. Now about two years after I started thinking about that situation and I decided to ask him for the reason why he trusted me with his money even though he didn't know where I live nor have any collateral for his money. His answer was this, my God feelings convinced me to do it. Now here's the thing, every human uses their emotions to make decisions. In fact, according to some studies, no human being can decide on anything without involving emotions. One thing you should know about emotions is that it's a feeling which is usually not based on fact or knowledge. Yes, smart investors try to look at facts and figures to make investment decisions but that is just after they have been won emotionally. Now what happens here is that your enthusiasm is the weapon you can use to get other people to have positive emotions about your business idea. This is where most people get it wrong. Most people are simply not enthusiastic about their idea and it doesn't matter how loud you speak, people instinctively know if you're not genuinely enthusiastic about your idea. Now the very first thing to do if you want to get people to invest in your business idea is to be enthusiastic about it but this doesn't come naturally. Let me explain. Faith, actions and uniqueness in my experience are the three things that make people enthusiastic about their business idea. Let me try and explain these. The uniqueness of your idea. You can't just be planning to start a business that every Joe and Jacob has been running since the year 2000 and expect that anyone in the world wants to invest into such business. The reason why investors want to invest in your idea of another restaurant or another social media site or just another anything is because investors know that when a product is not obviously unique, it can be unique. It can get customers attraction and when customers cannot rush to buy what you sell, you probably won't make reasonable money because you won't be able to charge the amount your product deserves. So the first thing you have to do when trying to get people to invest in your business idea is to make sure that your idea is unique from everything in the market. Your faith. To make anyone believe in you, enough to invest in your business, you have to show that you believe in yourself first. Again, this has to do with your enthusiasm and it's very important. If you don't believe in your idea, 1000% nobody will believe in it, 50%. Your actions. Though the guy who invested heavily in my business didn't know where I lived, with what he knew about me, he knew that I am an actor. He knew that I stand up and run after whatever I want. More importantly is the fact that the business he invested in has been in the making about one and a half years before I asked him to invest in it. The problem with most people is that they have a business idea that they think can change the world but they do nothing about it.  Not doing anything about your business idea is a piece of evidence that you don't believe in it. If you believe in that business idea, you'll figure out how to start in a little way. You'll go the extra mile and make crazy sacrifices for the business. You'll do hard labor if needs be and suffer some rejection. It's your story of struggles and actions that will motivate someone to invest in your idea. Then the facts. A lot of people who want to convince someone else to invest in their business go to them with facts and figures. As the facts and figures are the most important. Well, it is not. Yes, you have to know everything about the industry you want to compete in. You have to know who your biggest competitor is and what their weaknesses are. You have to know some numbers like what your cost of production is and what your profit margin is. You have to know how long it will take your investor to break even and what is likely to be the return on his investment. But more importantly than this is the fact that you have to know how to trigger people's emotions and make them fall in love with your idea. Again, here's the thing. To get people to invest in your business, you have to win them emotionally. Then convince them with facts. You must have a unique idea and you must have faith in that idea. You have to start pursuing that idea and show that you're willing to make great sacrifices for such an idea. Lastly, after you have done all these, don't forget that not everyone will still love your idea. So you'll be rejected many times. That you're rejected doesn't mean that something is wrong with your idea. If you believe in yourself and the idea, you'll not give up until you meet someone who believes in it as much as you do. Thank you so much for watching our videos. Do you love to start your day with high energy? 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What are the benefits of becoming a reference site? Let's hear from five applicants to the 2019 call who will tell us about their experience. We are extremely happy to become a reference site of European Innovation Partnerships of Active Healthy Aging. Becoming a reference site has evident advantages. Today we present Latvia-born solutions that involve synergy of different actors in social service field. Municipalities, state, technological companies, social service operators and academicians. The municipalities in Agni are front-runners in the transparent upscaling of digital innovation in public healthcare. We cooperate with our citizens, healthcare providers, vendors and universities. Reference sites status gives us an easy access to share best practice with other sites in Europe. Being a reference site has brought funding opportunities to Northern Ireland such as the Sunfrail project which focuses on frailty. It's enabled us to learn from other EU regions and to scale up Northern Ireland's group practice. We've participated in the blueprint development and use twinning and action group work led by Professor Mike Scott to showcase our medicines optimization work. At UK level we've established a UK reference site network and last week we met in Scotland to share our experiences on dementia policy and practice. So we're very much looking forward to the opportunities that the next EIP program brings. We've been recognized for the things we've done so far and for the content we've made in our program that are going towards the demographic change that all of us have. Our commitment is to do it in a way that, as a reference point, we can work better and bring the challenges we have in front of us with the aim of sharing and bringing to the European level the quality local experiences. The European challenge of aging population is clearly simplified in Madrid where almost 800,000 citizens have more than 65 years. But numbers will double across Europe for the next 50 years. Living longer does not mean living healthier. We believe in preventing actions in order to avoid diseases and disability. That is why we are implementing integrated care programs to avoid frailty, which can be scaled up and reproduced throughout the European Union. Madrid, as a reference site, is willing to be an active and leader region for sharing best practices in active and healthy aging across Europe. Let's gain life. Let's gain quality. Thank you very much. Congratulations to the 77 reference sites awarded in 2019. Welcome to the EIP Onaha community. Let's work together to continue driving regional innovation in active and healthy aging in Europe.


Live from San Diego, California, it's theCUBE. Covering Cisco Live US 2019. Brought to you by Cisco and its ecosystem partners. Hey, welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of Cisco Live from San Diego. Sunny San Diego, I'm Lisa Martin with Stu Miniman today and Stu and I are very pleased to welcome to theCUBE for the first time, Peter Spragata, distinguished engineer from Red Hat, Peter, welcome. Thank you, I'm really excited to be here. We're excited to have you here too. I'd like to say welcome to the sun. It's pretty toasty in here. We're in this very cool sales pavilion, which is very nice and bright, so we've got a lot of bright, but we do have some heat. So you've been with Cisco, Cisco, no. I actually was with Cisco for a period of time, so there you go. It's like two degrees at Kevin Bacon, anywhere in this room, right? You've been with Red Hat since the Ansible acquisition. One of the things that was funny that Chuck Robbins mentioned this morning was this is the 30th anniversary of a Cisco event with customers and partners. He also mentioned 30 years ago, Seinfeld started, so I'm going to do a Jerry Seinfeld on you and go, digital transformation. What's the deal with that? So, you know, I think that one of the things that's really exciting and being part of Ansible and actually coming from the network space, we've had the opportunity to really be out in front of this whole digital transformation. We've been doing it for a very long time, and it's really been all about adjuring, and that's really what, I think earmarks, really what Ansible's all about. Yeah, Peter, so another thing we've been on a journey a long time, that whole automation thing, we've been talking about that my entire career in the network, so bring this forward.  Yeah, you know, I think that when I first joined, you know, everything was, we were just trying to get in fence, people, that this was something you should think about doing. You know, now you look around, you see what's going on here at Live and at DevNet, and it's become a whole world unto itself, and it's really starting to define its own space in networking, which is really exciting to see, because I've been part of this journey really since the get-go, and it's just, it's really exciting to watch this whole world start to come together, and people really take the interest in changing really the way that we approach operating infrastructure. And I'm glad, Ashley, you mentioned the DevNet zone that we're in here, so there's lots of workshops happening right next to us here. Developers really helping to drive that transformation toward software.  It is, it really is, you know, and I always love to tell the story of, you know, I've got a software development background, but I also have a network operations background, and watching these two worlds come together is so exciting, and being out at the forefront, really pushing the envelope of what we can do from an automation perspective is really been exciting. So, as Stu mentioned, we're in the DevNet zone. This DevNet community is massive. It is. John Farrier and I had the opportunity to cover DevNet Create back in Mountain View about six or eight weeks ago, and I think the number that Sizioui mentioned is 585,000 members strong. Looking at Red Hat and the spirit of this open source community, talk to us about sort of the alignment of these communities, and how this is helping to drive not just technology forward, but be able to get that feedback from customers in any industry to drive these emerging technologies into mainstream. Well, and I think you touched on the key there. It really is all about the customer and the customer's experience. You know, the wonderful thing about open source community is the fact that we can all come together, vendor, supplier, customer, you know, consulting team, whoever you are, we all can come together, and it really does become, right, we're all better together, and we're all pushing forward and trying to really change the way that we approach how we build, design, and operate network infrastructure. Peter, Peter, I wonder if you've got a customer example. I know sometimes you need to anonymize these things. What kind of things are customers when they're going through this, the outcomes and results that change how their business works? You know, so one of the things that, and I've got one particular customer in mind, I can't say who they are, but one particular customer that we worked a lot of time with and what they were able to do is they were actually able, we gave them back the gift of time. That's what we talk about with automation. And what we mean by that is they were able to take a job that used to take them literally weeks to get done, that we could now automate and get it done once a night, twice, you know, do it in a single night as opposed to them taking, you know, ways to get that job done, and that frees them up to do the more high value work that network engineers really want to do and not saddle them with kind of the more mundane stuff. Yeah, so just to follow up on that because, you know, traditionally that's been one of the pieces, right? Is how do I, you know, make my employees more efficient? How do I give them more environment? Something that they talked about in the keynote this morning is some of the scale and some of the, you know, dealing with edge applications and all these environments is, even if I had the resource, I probably couldn't keep up with the pace of change that they're doing. So when you start throwing in things like AI and ML on top of those, are those starting to find their way and intersect with what you're doing? Absolutely, they really are. And it's areas that we're starting to look into as well. You know, Ansible's been doing this for a long time, but we're starting to see how do we bring some of these other separate pieces and bring them together underneath this automation umbrella? And really again, we want to drive out that everyday task out of the operations hand so they can focus on the high value things of evaluating technology and moving things forward for their organizations. You say you were able to give that particular customer back the gift of time and I thought, everybody breathing on the planet today wants back the gift of time. But I'd love to follow that story down the road because the gift of time has so much potential, positive impact all the way up to the C-suite to, you know, being able to move resources around to identify new revenue streams, new business models, new products, new services expanded into new markets. So that gift of time is transformative. Absolutely, without a doubt it is. And you know, what we're seeing and what we're getting feedback from our customers on is that because of that gift of time, they're able to now focus on pushing their businesses forward, right? And they're starting to solve challenges that have always been on that traditional ever-growing task list, right? That never, you never get to. And they're really starting to be able to focus on those tasks such that they can start to become more innovative, they become more agile and they focus on their business, not on the act of managing technology. All right, so Peter, another big theme of the show here is multi-cloud, something we heard a lot at Red Hat Summit also. It's this skill set that's one of the biggest challenges for customers working behind between those various environments. How's Ansible helping customers bridge some of those worlds today? Well, so, you know, obviously Ansible is not just a network tool, right? We automate anything and everything. And we like to talk about Ansible as the language of automation. And really what it does for organizations, whether you're looking at infrastructure, whether you're looking at hybrid cloud, what we do is we bring a language to the operations team where you can get these to separate teams talking in a dialect that they can understand each other. And that's really what Ansible starts to bring to those organizations. That internal collaboration. Absolutely. Maybe bridging business folks and IT folks who wouldn't normally necessarily be driving towards the same types of solutions. Correct, correct. And it really kind of starts in, this is actually how we see Ansible kind of unfold in most organizations, right? It starts in these pockets and small teams will start to use Ansible. And then it just kind of grows and grows and grows. And what we find is all of a sudden, you've got a cloud administrator who can now talk to a network engineer and they can talk through this language of automation instead of trying to figure out how to communicate. They actually become productive immediately. Okay, Peter, some of the big waves coming down the line that we're talking to Kina this morning. You know, 5G, Y56. Yes. You know, just incremental changes in your world or, you know, will some of these new architectures that they're talking about, you know, have some dramatic impacts? Well, oh, they're going to have, they'll have huge impact. You know, I think, you know, one of the things that's very interesting when you look at some of these technologies are coming down the ways now is everything is getting faster.  We've been, you know, anyone who's been in IT for any period of time knows. It's always faster, faster, faster. But what it's doing is it's really motivating us to look at Ansible and rethink how we do certain things so that we can keep up with that demand and allow organizations to, you know, meet the demands of their customers in accelerating their time to market. Maybe dig into that a little bit more in terms of the customer feedback. How are you guys, how is Ansible being able to work with your customers across any industry, get their feedback to really accelerate what you guys are able to then deliver back to the market? What's that feedback loop? Well, I think, you know, when you think about automation, automation is certainly it's a technology, but it's also very much about how organizations work, right? I like to talk about automation is really more a state of mind, not necessarily a state of action. And so therefore, you know, we spend a lot of time with our customers to understand how do they run their business and how can automation become a way that they think about running their organization and really help them, you know, move forward. So we spend a lot of time understanding our customer's business before we ever get into the bits and bytes of what automation really is. Yeah, you mentioned some of those organizational pieces like the cloud guy and the network guy. What are some of the biggest challenges that you're seeing customers these days?   How do you get started with? There's so much of it out there now. It's, they're looking at, and how do you get started with this and how do you let this thing take on a life of its own? And so we spend a lot of time just getting them, you know, one, two, three steps down the road, get going in the open source and then let it expand from there. And we bring a whole suite of capabilities then to the customer, whether it's through Red Hat Consulting, whether it's through working through our open source communities to really help them on that journey. When you're in customer meetings, where is this conversation now with respect to automation? As we talked about giving the gift back of time, that would go all the way up to the C-suite. There's so much potential there. Are you still having the conversation with more of the technical folks or where are the lines of business or maybe even the executive suite in terms of being a part of the decision and understanding the massive impact that automation will deliver? Yeah, we're just starting to see that transition now. You know, we just came off of Red Hat Summit and we spent a lot of time talking with senior directors, C-suite individuals about kind of that transition and how automation is, as I mentioned before, it's no longer just a technical tool in the tool bag, it really is becoming a business tool and how you can leverage it to really drive the business. So those conversations are starting now. We're just starting to see that. And it's really exciting. It's really an exciting time to be part of this. All right, Peter, tell us a little bit about what Red Hat's got going out of the show. I happen to stop down the show floor. I saw the command line video game which I've seen at Red Hat Summit. It seems that's making the go-around there. I know your team's having a lot of fun seeing who can get the high score. What else at the show should people be looking at for Red Hat? Well, so in addition to Ansible, of course we also spent a lot of time talking about OpenShift, which is the other big Red Hat flagship product and really what we're doing in terms of being able to deliver in the multi-hybrid cloud infrastructure and be able to run workloads in any cloud infrastructure no matter where that may be. And then of course it always comes back to the operating system, right? Red Hat and Linux, they go hand in hand. We are always going to be about the operating system and everything kind of bubbles up from there. So here we are halfway through calendar year 2019, which is scary. What are some of the things that you're looking forward to as the rest of the year progresses? Some exciting things going on with Red Hat and Big Blue, for example. Well, there is certainly that, although you could probably tell me more about how that's going than I get to know even anymore. But I think really what's exciting about the second half of this year, and you're going to hear more about it actually here at DevNet, this is a good time for me to mention this, is that we're doing a lot with Cisco right now. One of the things that of course, Cisco's making a huge investment in DevNet and Red Hat is really becoming a very key partner with Cisco in that. So you're going to see a lot of open source community work around Red Hat and Cisco collaborating together to enhance what Ansible is doing and try and bring even more traditional and non-traditional people into these communities. More collaboration. I presume over some of their cognitive collaboration tools like WebEx. Absolutely, absolutely. That does work on Linux because I've been using BlueJeans most of the time when I talk to Linux people. It does, I pushed them really hard because at first I had troubles with it, but yes, now it works fantastic on Linux. Couldn't be happier. You heard it here. Peter, thank you so much for joining Stu and me on theCUBE this afternoon. We appreciate your time. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. All right, it was fun. For Stu Miniman, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE live from Cisco Live in sunny San Diego. Thanks for watching.


Thanks for joining me for this episode of brutal battle beer break today. I'm doing a sour beer It's by prairie artists and ales out of Tulsa, Oklahoma But this actual one was brewed in Krebs, Oklahoma Which is done by Krebs brewing because they actually have like a gypsy brewing spot there That's where they originally started was at Krebs brewing with their own little space So they still do some there and this one particular was from there This is their funky gold Amarillo, which is a dry hop to sour blonde 7.5% alcohol by volume. I will tell you though I've been holding on to this one for a while kind of got lost in the cellar So it I probably won't taste a whole lot of the dry hopping. So sorry about that prairie But I'm assuming it'll probably be pretty good. They do some pretty solid sours.  Oh, guess what they get sucked into the video game. What's the game? driving a cab so Such as life. I kind of like how it's like a comic strip on a beer bottle I think maybe that's something other people should employ in the future. I think it's pretty fun Anyway, let's open this up a lot of carbonation coming off.  It's gonna be real carbonated.  Oh my gosh, it is so Like golden yellow actually a little straw not totally golden yellow a little more straw to it But a tinge of that golden aspect tons of bubbles just flying up from the bottom if you can You might not be able to see that but they're just like thick Big bubbles coming right out of the bottom very champagne ish looking I Can see through it though, you know, it's not cloudy or anything Whoo. Yeah, there's a bit of a funky aspect in there Like it's potentially a little Britannia Macy's Involved in it definitely get that kind of funk to it. There's a tartness very lemony in the nose Yeah, I really don't get any of the hops, but that's probably my fault So sorry, but a lot of funk a lot of lemon sounds sounds good by the description smells good. Oh a lot less of a tartness or sourness then You would assume based on the nose that the tartness like really hits you and you think it's gonna be a lot more aggressive When you taste it, but it's very downplayed Which is nice because it allows that funk to kind of come up and it's basically like on the same level I get a equal amounts funk equal amounts eat sorry equal amounts tartness And it's nice. It's very even keel That's nice Lemony characteristic to it definitely tastes like a low-key sour blonde very lemony Maybe a tinge of like an of an orange aspect in there as well Definitely get a little bit of a bitterness to it So it's a little bit of like a citrus zest in there like some lemon lemon peel got into it as well This is nice. This is a refreshing crisp sipping sour beer and it's not really aggressive so I could actually honestly recommend this for people who aren't huge in the sour beers because not crazy aggressive sour and You do have to be able to take a bit of that kind of Brett type funk to it though because it does have that It's not crazy out of control. I've had ones that are like way funkier, but It's good man. That's probably why it's called funky go down Amarillo cuz the funk from that Brett flavor mmm Well done prairie or Krebs brewing in this case Krebs brewing also known as chalk beer at CHOC So it's a little trivia. Anyway, thanks everyone for checking this out if there are any beers that you want to see me try on this or Hear me try on the brutal battle podcast Which you can get on iTunes and Stitcher and the website brutal battle comm Send me an email brutal battle podcast at gmail.com and say hey, I'd like you to do this And we can make it happen. Anyway, everybody. Thanks for checking this out once again and go get yourself an awesome beer