Hello, you can hear me now How's everybody do tonight? Welcome. I was not supposed to do a stream tonight. We usually do it on Thursday. I but Most of the week I was feeling sick probably with strep throat, but I'm feeling better tonight I've been drinking some monster energy drinks. So I think I'll be good for the evening. We'll see but so the whole thing that spurred this was that I Saw a I just moved some stuff around here. I I saw a Bill Maher piece where a couple of them actually different interviews that he was doing There we go Go to the full screen until I'm actually doing that So I'm gonna show you some clips and I'm gonna post them in here As soon as I get into discord so that the rest of the people are gonna be debating this We'll have seen it. That's what spurred this and I just want to lay this out very quickly I'm not I don't hate anybody. Just so we're clear Okay, with you know people of all cultures and colors coming into America I'm fine with it and I like the idea. I like the idea of all of us getting together into a melting pot but having a unified culture and You know working together towards a common goal I I love the idea of that all these different ideas and cultures coming together fine with me Okay, just so we're clear on that right off the bat. However Oh There's also some questions I think need to be asked about the people that are really pushing this whole idea of diversity and Especially diversity equity and inclusion and diversity is our our strength just the sort of blind parroting of this slow these slogans and I think it came out Most with Bill Maher here and I'm gonna show you the clips that I'm talking about so Everybody understands why I'm doing this why I'm asking these questions I'm really interested to hear some of the answers because hey, I want to be convinced convince me of that the progressive idea that it's progress to Replace white majority countries that that's progress like that's that's progressing society further Explain to me why that is why suddenly it's okay to say like there's a group that's somehow hindering progress In order for us to progress further. We need to you know What's the word marginalized the certain group You know, I'm gonna get into that but first let me show you this clip. Give me one second. I'm gonna get it up here Here we go. I'm gonna pop this up Let's go over to here Yeah, there we go. All right, let's watch this First time in the 80s and it was very different. Yeah How so well first of all London was like all white. Yeah. Yeah, it was you know So, okay, we just celebrate that victory that we've made the place more diverse and victory, you know You never get a pat on the back the people who like achieve I feel like in that area There's only like there's more to do of course. There's more to do But can we just get a little hey, I think I think I read in Andrew Sullivan's column like London went from like 36% So like 86% people of color or something like that. No, maybe that's too hard But something majority like a 50 like a 50 point. Yeah swing 50 points. Yeah in two generations three generations Okay, that's progress. I'm not a bad person to like Clap for progress Okay, okay, so Took a couple quick notes there so Bill Maher says that London specifically and it's not just London obviously but London specifically testing testing, okay That it was a victory that it's a minority white now a country that's historically the indigenous people are white, right? The indigenous people they are white, but it's a victory. That's no longer that way. It's no long that culture has been replaced and we deserve I Guess white people deserve or I don't know what he means by that deserve a pat on the back and They've achieved that we've achieved this goal of like replacing the white culture in London with a Muslim culture. I think well, I think mostly that's what it is a majority. I'll look into that here in a minute And that there's more to do he said there's more to do so once white people are a minority There's still more to do like This is all sounding very weird to me, you know So I want to discuss this with people I'm gonna go ahead and switch over to discord and I'm gonna make sure these guys have seen this We're switching over right now All right, you know, they're awesome. Hello. All right guys. We are alive right now I just introduced everybody to The video that spurred all of this. There's actually another one I'll show it in a little bit, but I want to make sure that you all have seen the video. I'm talking about Have you guys seen the bill mar video? I'm gonna put it. All right Do you got does everybody in the discord right now know how to access the debates chat? We're all on it. Yeah, the debate chat like the text chat the text chat for this channel Okay, all right. I'm just making sure all right. I'm gonna put a video in here All right, I got you. I Want to make sure everybody can see this. Okay. No, no, just all right Yeah, I just put it in there watch that very quickly and I'm gonna talk to the audience while you guys watch that So yeah, my my whole thing here is that I'm fine with immigration and all these things really although What's going on in America right now is I you know, I don't think that's what the founders intended or you know The Statue of Liberty Builders and donators and the people except I don't think that was what they had We have millions and millions of people coming from countries that are not diverse Okay, these are not diverse countries that are coming here by the millions. All right And it's it's on the pretext of Democrats the Democrat Party who have this idea in their head that if they flood the country with these people That it will lead to a permanent majority for them a majority for them Us and it's just right in line with everything else going on right now like I've been saying on my channel for a long time that The left the Democrats they're working towards a one-party Uniparty kind of state system and This all fits right into that, you know, they want to and if you don't believe me they call this for interesting Okay, I mean when he says Was a lot of those people did they come from rural England they were Englanders right that came and moved into London or Were they from other countries that he's talking about right they're from other countries I mean there's been I flood I I want to say it's mostly Muslim, but there's lots of different groups coming in there But yeah, it's you know, it's people from Africa But it's these are mostly Muslim people if you go out in London right now. It looks you know, it could be a Street in Egypt or you know, wherever So here's my here's my issue and I'll tell you guys are off the bat. So I explained to the Audience at the beginning that I have no problem with people coming in here of all colors and cultures I like the idea I always have and I like the idea of all all these people coming here And we're all united in a culture a society and a goal and but we all bring our own kind of you know Perspectives and all that to the table. I like that idea. I like the idea of it. I'm not sure it quite works that way as we're seeing but Well Bill Marr said we're things like He said that London switching the culture being replaced there basically white people being replaced as my as the majority That it's they were whites Europeans were the indigenous people there He says that it's a victory that they've been replaced. He says that we deserve a pat on the back I don't know who he means by we does he mean white people that does he consider himself white? I'm not sure about that We'll get Wait, wait, let me finish. He says we've achieved Let me I'm almost done. He says we've achieved this goal We've achieved it and that there's more to do so once whites are replaced as the majority There's still more to do so This all sounds kind of nefarious to me. I don't think necessarily that he's nefarious I think maybe he's got a brain virus where it's this virtue signaling thing where he feels very Virtuous by saying these things without fully thinking But go ahead go ahead Yeah, dang go ahead Okay, so the first thing that I want to point out is that England has not really been like White European for about a hundred years now Um There are other colors of Europeans in England than of course, of course So When you're when you're saying that I'm talking about Anglo-Saxon But but but you're saying two different things no, I'm not I'm saying wait wait just let me fucking talk Because you're saying that white people are being replaced No, and London I didn't quite say that I was trying to be very specific I don't think you heard my nuance does replacing white people does replacing white people make White majority does replace it the debate title on the screen Right because why people are all lumped in together Let's not pretend. Yeah, let's not pretend that we segment all the different white European cultures The word that we're all lumped in as white. So that's the pretext. I'm going based on Okay, so there are two there are two different things being said here There is ones being said that there are less white people in London But how many Europeans are in London?   I mean like so yes white people are being replaced as a majority and yes The traditional culture that has been there for hundreds of years is being replaced Can you guys hear me? Okay, and my question is my question is simply this it's being celebrated as this great thing I'm simply asking why it is it why is it a good thing? That's it So you know you're rambling here, thank you didn't say that well, what's the good thing about it? We do hear you're Robert. I'll give you a chance for your intro in just one second once Brandon and John lulled off Thank are you gonna tell me what the good what the benefit is for the white majority that's becoming the minority or And what's the benefit of the society? Do you want to tell me what the backdrop backdrop is no what the back? What the problem is? Well, okay, well, so No, that's not what I'm saying in the chat in the chat you wanted to say that there are Cultures and there are bad cultures. So my my next question would be what I'm saying There's I'm saying there's there's better cultures and there's cultures that are not as good. That's all I'm saying Okay, do you agree culture and what is a bad culture? Well, do you would you say our every good? Well, yeah, actually, would you say Western culture in general is pretty good I would say I would say the culture inside the police force in America is very bad. No, I agree with you there High-five on that. I'm I would say that the culture I would say that the culture within people that want to make sure that Nothing ever changes that everything just stays the same because they are Are doing okay, or they view themselves as doing okay? I think that's a pretty bad culture But no, I like I don't really think that any people's culture as in, you know, American culture or European culture or Asian culture or Arabian culture. I don't think any of those cultures are bad I do believe that there are bad people that take a hold of those cultures shut up No, I do there are bad people that take a hold of those cultures We can simplify this and do bad things with them We can simplify this how which culture on the planet would you would you say we we need to emulate Like if you were to replace American culture or Western culture if you can generalize it What would you like which culture or society on the planet? Would you replace it with? Why would I have to replace something?  Yes, there are problems with American culture That doesn't mean I want to replace American culture. That means I want to fix Okay, you don't want to replace it interesting. So what do you think you're doing? Like London is a great example like what do you think's happening there? It's being replaced with a majority Muslim culture Do you think in the end that's gonna end up better for the society there again? Do they not speak English in London right now or do they not have bad teeth? Do they not still drink tea? Dude, I'm drinking tea right now. It's it's fading. I mean they were just they were just talking about in that Bill Maher Piece I played that they're not like that's been that that's that's not a thing that really happens anymore No, that's you're wrong.  He didn't know what he was saying.   Okay, here we go All right, so I won that one thank you Let's just put it on the sideburner for you guys can get back into it But I want to give Rob some respect for coming So I'd like to give him the first chance to do an intro if he wants and have any thoughts He has on it the original the original Debate topic that I'd prepped for was Changed my mind whites becoming minority through mass immigration is a bad thing So Robert if you want to have any thoughts on that try and keep it to two minutes if you can and then we'll hand it off to Smoke Steve and Tyler And then I'll open it back up for everybody to get back into it. Okay. I got a question for the group How many countries have you lived in? To 23 Damn, I've looked I've lived in five hundred I've actually lived in five. I lived in the UK. I've lived in Saudi Arabia the UAE Cyprus stopped in the Poland for a while and I've also, you know besides the US So I can tell you things that you don't probably know Probably you have no idea about one of them is yes UK's being replaced by Muslims Most the majority of the people over there are probably Poles or Romanians They know it's there's a problem right now.  I've ever been to in my life US hold no candle next to them. You have no idea what it's like to work there UAE on their hand is probably one of the nicest places. I've worked at they are some super nice people over the local Emirates But they're also super rich So they kind of look down on you Cyprus is the only place I've ever lived to in my life that I actually want to retire London I would not Replace the visit Fantastic museums, but if I was given a choice unless I'm wearing a stabby vest I don't want to live there. It puts Chicago to shame Steve man, you had your chance Yeah, so So when you guys talk about all these different countries, you better know that you better have lived there Or else you do not have a position to stand on because I'm one of the few that have actually been around. I've also been to Vietnam Love that place too And I'm probably going to go to another country here also because I work for department of defense I get I get to go everywhere been in Afghanistan and in Iraq So drone, you actually know my name, but we've talked before Yeah, we actually Yeah, we have a history you've been around Yeah, I've been around a long long time So the rest you guys you talking about replacement. Yes, it is taking place Probably not the way you think but yes, it is taking place Well, can I can I throw real quick out there about the whole replacement thing?  I don't know anything about any of that But what I do know is that Democrats have been talking about the you know demographic replacement And uh demographic demographics is destiny and all that stuff since the late 90s. So And there's that's well documented They they want to replace white voters with a what they believe will be You know brown people from all these uh mass immigration Mass illegal immigration that will vote democrat. They think they will Actually, it hasn't quite worked out that way, but I feel like they're they're gonna move they're gonna make it happen that way Yeah, when you talk about polling and remaining out, they're very conservative They are actually against some of the stuff that's going on So I don't know why they're you're taking a gamble on that in that perspective You're right. So I don't think it's going to turn out the way they think And they might end up losing the long But I still want to know I mean so we really only have a dank here to argue this side I wish we had a couple more, but uh, I need I need to be I need to be convinced You know Tyler dude, I'll tell us here you guys either of you guys you gotta tell me Why Hold on why do why does bill mar and and left wingers and so-called progressives? Why do they say that uh, and you hear it all the time?  So yeah, that's gonna improve it Yeah, give tyler chance to take his spot tyler all right, so The reason why somebody like bill mar would say that is because he has a little bit of a Anti-conservative view and personally for him when he looks at voting demographics to the party He sees white people voting against the things he likes in policy Thus he associates white people generally with his political opposition. It's just silly tribalism Yeah, and there is a bit of virtual signaling in because there are some good policies that came from the past That resulted in the diversity and the culmination of a bunch of different ethnic groups living together in a harmonious society That is somewhat a victory lap for policies. He supports Sorry Oh, he just wants to go to avid. Is that what you're saying? No, he's he's saying my policy results have resulted in a more diverse community and that's good And also I don't like republicans or people that vote for them. So I'll be happy when that group goes away I hear I've heard different sentiments Like that in the right, but it here's my thing is that if you have Principles and you have this principle of like not Broadly judging people based on skin color and not like other rising groups of people It seems like the left have gone and it's weird because bill mar on some Level seems to be self-aware about the woke stuff But then like when he talks like that like that's pure like critical race theory like woke batshit crazy stuff to me because It's like when you say you're anti-racist, but like everything surrounding all the belief system and all that around it is like as far as i'm concerned purely racist like overtly and It's like this trans shooter, you know, she picked her targets and talked about white privilege and People like me have been talking for years that like white privilege is a dehumanizing broad You know demonizing generalization and it's it's it's racist and it's gonna cause problems and here you go And I I guarantee this isn't the only example, but we it's the only one we really know of So so so when you start talking about like oh, it's progress If we the fewer white people is there are the closer to Perfection we are I guess like how do you think that's gonna end up? Bill mar I can't defend his exact words. He's got a little bit of partisan brain right, but that's not he It's not unique to bill mar. I mean you're talking universities the media joey reed like this is like Mainstream dude, it's everywhere But I the policies that they're legislating for and kind of trying to stand up for without the partisan brain rot part factor In there and then you can You could see like there is actually some good policy They're standing behind I've made a long list of things that I would I would try to actually change your mind on that level If we ever get there. Well, we can't go for it I mean, I mean, I don't necessarily disagree like I I don't know if you probably didn't see it But I had in my opening of the the stream I explained that I'm all for the melting pot and cultures and everybody coming in here And we all of us being united and common purpose and goal not not necessarily like You know common ideology and common beliefs, but like we all basically believe in the same pursuit of happiness You know, I'm I'm all for that I wanted to jump in there I want to jump in there because that's that was my only point in this whole conversation because It seemed like it was more going to be the more of the debate was about People coming in legally and wanting to be a part of our nation and uphold the constitution because if that's the truth Even if that's in a perfect world, it doesn't matter what color anybody is in anywhere it's more a matter of a way of life of a certain people changing because of Something right like I'm really worried about the constitution just going away and it's like it's not necessarily just because of This mass immigration although I think they are probably going to be the most susceptible to just like completely dismissing it out like totally right, but That's already hold on. Hold on. Hold on real quick.  It's really bad and like this is only going to make it worse Good, sorry Sorry, Robert. Go ahead, Robert No, it's going to be the new generation. It's going to do it Not massive immigration. It's going to be 19 even the people thought they're It's going to be a combination Yeah, but the use of every nation of the uh, the people from other countries actually Like the constitution and the freedom it gives them. They don't want it to go away It's the stupid communists are being generated within our society They're the problem And they're going to wake up to a part of reality one day and it ain't going to be pretty right We have millions of people coming from these far left countries where You know, they don't really have any sense of like freedom of speech or any of these things And so they're coming into a country where our media and the the dominant party right now the democrats are really like demonizing like speech And certain rights as it pertains to their opposition And that that worries me too and like these people are going to like get into they're going to get easily swept up to this In this propaganda and they're going to be on board with whatever You know, they and the government wants to do to their political opponents, which increasingly I think is going to be very bad Like violently it's going to be bad They're already like chasing down people who are just like walking around the capital and shit like Like years ago, that's messed up Are you familiar with the care act? Hold on give tyler a chance because he was pulling in for sorry rob A lot of those people that are coming from those far left countries cuba and venezuela in particular or two that actually were susceptible to full blown socialism A lot of people coming from those countries aren't the far leftists that endorse the government That's currently in place. A lot of them are the people that didn't get along with the government Those that were persecuted by the government for being in the opposition party Right. So what you see with cubans is they come in and they're like the strongest ally of ronda santa's in florida and venezuelans are Seemingly leaning right way. It's a lot of people that come over as work migrant visas and such That are just tend to vote left wing more right. No, I agree. I said that earlier that it wasn't quite working out as they had hoped but You got to understand like the there's so many people coming into the country And like I think these people are getting they're coming into the country as it's being bombarded with this propaganda I don't do you think they're going to be able to see through it? Like maybe they will. I don't know Absolutely Romney was the compassionate conservative jeb bush ran on this in 2016 as well the compassionate border conservative to To personalize the border interactions would be less hard Because the hispanic community generally lines up more with conservatives on most issues They're more against abortion than most white people. You know, it's They're more abortion such a losing issue for the republicans. They need to drop it They need to ball if they picked up hispanic vote on it hispanics are way more against abortion than white people are I think that's what they're going for. Yeah, for sure. If you pick up all these different religious groups, then The the hispanics and a lot of times black voters actually Issue to issue side more with the republicans. The thing is when you ask them They think the republican party's racist and doesn't care about that. That's the reason they're deferred An outreach program like jeb bush's compassionate border Critic policy would have brought more of those people now. Trump did increase the amount from 36 to 39 So he is still gaining at a steady rate with hispanic But romney is the one that's actually held accountable for bringing that large number in the first place. Yeah, I we can't So I we need to well, we need to let these people know we don't hate them You know, this all this rate. This is propaganda It's we have You know laws and stuff that and we cannot pander to them and be like, oh, yeah We're just gonna like give you everything you want if you like us like I don't think we should do that ever but I don't want to keep cutting robert off But I have more statistics on the data of like what migrants do when they come to the united states Now first generation like they just came over the border usually under earn the average us citizen board in the united states But if you're you have at least one migrant parent and you're the us born child of a migrant parent You excel way past us born citizens because you have that You came from that mentality you didn't come from that meritocracy and now you're in it and that hard work that your parents inspired Immigrants are 80 percent more likely per capita to start a business They hire more people in these low-skill businesses or low Under 100 employee businesses small businesses than non hispanic businesses So they're contributing greatly to the economy even illegal immigrants. It takes a couple generations It takes about two generations, but eventually illegal immigrants Kids grandkids Are a net positive to the economy as well. So just be purely in the economic growth argument. It's a good one The first the first part you made where it was a legal situation.  I'm just saying from an economic perspective. It's a net positive to the gdp after 50 years let me uh Answer to the bill marthing regarding london So, um, there's a lot going on over in the uk There's a guy I follow on youtube. I highly recommend everyone check out. He goes by the name of baste welshman He was Going to protest daily to try to stop 200 middle age 20 to 30 year old male migrants who came over on boats We're going to be put up in a hotel in a small british town Of you know a thousand or so people um That uk government was going to pay for this and it was Something the town didn't want to have they didn't want this they felt threatened by it and Through their stand And their protests They they got this changed which I think welshman should be proud of the reason they didn't want it is because This mass immigration from these countries Is causing Like you know like rape gangs if you guys heard about this group these grooming gangs in the uk this shit is serious, man um And it and it's really happening There's places that sharia law is real in london Um, and also all of these guys that came over on these boats now get immediately put into um The health care system which is free for everybody over there These guys who just happened to make it there by boat now Are allowed all these benefits that a british citizen Is allowed which now creates massive backups in the health care to actual british citizens Because they're taking care of these fucking guys who came over on a boat and just made it values Yeah values british citizenship same thing here It's fucking crazy dude Yeah, you know and here here in the state Here in the state of massachusetts We ran out of fucking beds So now this contingency of people like myself wall says well Let's save some for the residents of the state who might come upon hard times all of a sudden Oh my god, these people only want to give beds No, we only can afford to keep so many families sheltered in this state Maybe we could keep a percentage for state residents and not Random people who are shipped here out of some uh system now the state of new york has got 65 000 of these people Massachusetts has about 7500. So This is the way it's going around the country for states that are accepting these these people and it's it's fucking us all up, man I mean, okay, so, um, so I do want to kind of comment on that last thing There are a lot of a lot of homeless in United States They don't want to go to the shelters Even family even homeless families don't want to go to the shelters because there are very few shelters that will keep families together They will separate The men from the women and the children Instead of putting them up in a private area Where the family can be together away from the single people They choose to separate the women and children into one area and the men All into another area. So a lot of American homeless families, especially don't want to go into shelters um That may be true, but not here in this state This is a very liberal state and they keep families together. That's state law here now I can't actually actually the state law doesn't matter because um God damn it. What is it good? Goodwill Yeah, goodwill or no, uh salvation army Um is like a religious institution So the state laws about not separating families don't matter because they can't They they can't like stop their religious beliefs that men and women should not be together, um, so yeah, like It doesn't really matter what states you're in if it's a salvation army, especially or any Any religious affiliated Facility the the government regulations doesn't matter Okay, I was talking about purely state funded shelter system um, yeah, and and religious and religious, uh, uh institutions also get those state funds. Yes Sure franciscan house all of those. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you They do good things, but you're right. Maybe for them. It's a matter of keeping people from freezing to death So like, I mean, I've I've been in homeless shelters, um in arizona So like I kind of know like what that system is And like like I said, you know any anyone that was uh, a religious affiliated There were a lot of rules that you had to abide by and Americans don't want to abide by rules, especially adults that you know, we see ourselves as free people And and we want to do what we what we want to do So like if you can find uh, uh, uh homeless shelter that's not connected to a religious institution Then yeah, they're gonna be a lot more open, but religious institutions typically are not sure I wanted to give the chance so sorry No, robert go go go We we kind of cut you off a little bit earlier put you on the back burner You mentioned something about the patriot act you want to say anything about that or any other thoughts you have Go for it. I talked about the care act Oh, sorry the care act That's the afghan relief effort Yeah, that was something that trump started the years ago And before the afghanistan fell apart now, I was over in afghanistan I left about a year before it fell apart and I went to iraq When it fell apart it even affected me over there But the afghan relief effort now some of the people that you saw on the tv They were going on the airplane. I actually knew one of the guys was he out He actually owned a small little shop on board where he sold, you know groceries and he had jewelry and the rest of it He made it back, but his family got stuck over there When he got back they interviewed him and he they had a nice little video presentation of him him being rescued And they sent him up in a hotel not a hotel hotel first And he gave him an apartment with three other guys from afghanistan paid him $750 a month gave him free training for a medical And they also gave him the hotel or sorry the apartment for one year. It's only for one year after that He has to secure a job And he has to uh, and they will work toward getting the rest of his family over No, so they were actually given those people in afghanistan. He was a collaborated with helping the united states He wasn't an interpreter or nothing like out there. He just had a little shop there But he was on the base at camp alvarado. So I knew him and I would talk to him every now and then and I bought some challenge coins and patches and Occasionally by some toothpaste awesome and all the rest of them, but he was a super nice guy I have no problem with him coming over because I know that if he stayed there They would have killed him and he might have already killed his family He couldn't get his family over the wire They were trapped on the other side. There was actually nothing he could do to save them So he had to abandon them behind just to come to united states with the hope that maybe In a couple years. He might see them again I'm not sure if his brother made it over because I only knew the one that did But he was still incredibly grateful He managed to survive and he was one of the few that did Now won't ever he acclimate into it. I do not know I don't know if he what he was I don't know. I know he's in austin texas right now. He spoke pretty really good english So he had that one up that a few people didn't have But if you're talking about some of the other ones coming across That they left on to come across because they wanted to No, we I screwed up in a way that you'll never ever fathom Because he just wanted to let everybody have a chance and he gave everybody money He gave everybody an opportunity But he drained our bank account to give somebody else from another country a chance to live here We'll have to wait and see how this works out in time Yeah, and you know, you see you see the democrat they love the left and democrats love to promote The mass immigration into our country until you start sending the bus loads of the people to their cities and suddenly have a problem with it I think that's very telling You know while their work's not over there Or Pelosi's house or some of these other ones, but now the palestinians they want to bust them over here, too Oh my god. No, no No, we're talking to some seriously screwed up before over there So are we I mean I haven't been convinced of anything just so we're clear like Nobody here has convinced me that well as far as like you know I'm not against like people coming into the country from the southern border or any of that I just I do worry about especially the mass amounts of people coming from like all over south america and to the country Who's coming in with those people? I do worry. I think that could be bad, but And nobody's convinced me that like white people becoming a minority is going to improve things I I don't understand this idea that that's going to make things Progress and get better. It's not it's it's not going to make it progress, but it's inevitable I don't think that's actually happening.  I mean that's what everybody's saying I'm people that make the claim like like bill margett not like saying It's it's I think it's a little dumb if you look at uh hispanics according to the peer research I can link it in the chat if anyone like about uh 50 percent of hispanics that come over to the united states By the fourth generation identify as white and that gets more and more as the generation's So hispanic people are generally coming over here Hackle meaning to our customs and eventually calling themselves white at a pretty high rate. Yeah, I mean Hispanic people as far as I've ever encounter them are good people and I have no reason to think that they're not I and I don't think that they're bad people or anything But yeah, I just I just I'm thinking in terms of millions of people and then How that's going to work out as far as how society's structured in which direction We go whether it be like a far left direction or a more centered or right leaning, you know Hey, could you blame that really on the Biden administration for not properly processing? He we're not really taking in that many legal immigrants per year. We're taking a 900 thousand last year And it's not particularly a high number.  So But a better Yeah, it's not really it's a drop in the act compared to the united states Population, did you say that was illegal or legal? Legal legal That's great. I want more legal more of that I'm just curious how I know legal people genuinely want to be Americans Which I'm all for I don't care what color they are. I don't care what religion or what culture I welcome them. Yeah, because they're already going through the paperwork to do the whole thing legally So I think they would actually care about the rest of the paperwork. Exactly I have no problem with that. It's just this mass millions of people just coming unchecked almost like through the That's frightening to me and it's I don't think it'll end well personally Nobody has made an argument. Uh dank. I don't know where he went, but he made no argument for why You've done a pretty good job. I think Tyler. I think you've done a good job explaining You know that bill mar talking out of his ass, basically But the thing is that there's lots of mainstream big people saying the same things Yeah, I think that if atlas or liberal clerk was here, they would revert to As soon as we talked about the border the fact that it's not an open border and that it's not actually a mass immigration situation I don't what is that point as well? It's not in a great mass immigration. What is it? 7 million people have come to the border since Biden took office Right turned away So how many have been turned away? 5.5 million. Really? Is it that many? Let me look that up. I think so. I think 1.5 million They said we're lost in the interior somewhere, but But maybe I'm just drinking the propaganda Kool-Aid then I don't know. It just doesn't seem like It doesn't seem like that's what's happening. I guess I'm not digging deep enough 3.8 million migrants have entered the u.s. Since Biden took office 1.5 million Snuck in and are still here How do you know if they snuck in who's counting the sneak ins shoot mud muddy footprints Well, there's also camera footage and stuff where people are getting in And there's tons of footage out there people just streaming in through areas Where there's no authorities or anybody to stop them And there's tons of footage.  But no, they don't want to get hurt in the fence No, no border agents on horses. Ooh, that wasn't a good look Right. Well, no, but that turned out You know that turned out to be a lie that whole thing cannot be a lie I know I think personally it was awesome and they should They we just we're stopping people from running over the border and we're on horseback. What the hell's the problem? No And you either the details of police stop chasing that person. We have their license plate.  That's the same idea. Don't make them walk through barb wire fences Let them come through and we'll process them. We'll let them apply for asylum if they get turned down. We'll ship them out so Yeah, how much did that cost a bit? Couple of dollars and 38 cents Robert I I hear a ton of police sirens outside if I get swatted. I'm just letting you know right now like I don't know Don't put your damn address online. What the hell's wrong with you? It's not it's not I don't think that's gonna happen. I'm just I'm just throwing it out there because it's so weird that They're fading away now and they're mine. There they go. But I got a question for the group You have legal immigration. You have illegal immigration. How much has it affected legal immigration? How how much has what affected legal immigration how much how much has illegal immigration affected illegal immigration No, sorry. I got back. How much how much has illegal affected legal? That's got you got you got you What's a good question? I would think that if if people could could risk it and have a good chance Because I just got finished doing the legal route and you have to have You have to have your ducks in a row. You have to have the money to do it You have to have support. You have to have all these things. What were you paying? You have to pay the state for all the paperwork and the government How much how much time did it take? Back and forth. I'd have to go again and figure all that out. I don't think it took too much time 20 hours a very good situation What'd you say 20 hours and $10,000 It was close to $10,000 to do it for both of my boys And no, I think it was closer to $7,000, but that's you know, that's a lot of money for me Sure, sure And uh For the time I would like to thank my wife for helping with all that stuff So I'd have to ask her for the actual numbers All right, I had to do the paperwork. It probably would have Sucked because I'm not good at Lots of white out All right Are you gonna finally convince me dank of why It's progress for whites because of minorities I've just got I've just got a couple of questions for you So I posted a chart. I posted a chart earlier in the chat um it's It was an animated chart that I pulled out of wikipedia when I looked up the demographics demographics in london So the last year it stops on it's 2021. I see it. I see it So exactly which culture is it that's listed here that's Bad and causing all of the problems because it doesn't really seem like they're Replacing what I didn't say because this chart. Hold on. Hold on a second. Let's say what I'm saying. Okay, good This chart shows that more that uh, the demographics demographics of london is still more than 50 white more More don't you need to go to burping ham? Okay, I'm looking at my own. Hold on.  I assume they knew what they're so I'm looking it up myself now I probably should have done that. I'm looking So it looks like Can I answer while you're looking at all? Yeah, white. You're right white right now is 53.8 percent But that says 2021 that that why why is there no 2023 data?  Hold on. Hold on. I know Every time I try to like look look things up like that. I kind of get like Rerouted to other things. I'm probably I've probably lost my gift for like googling things or I don't really know I know what you mean, man. You're good. I don't I used to be really good at finding things on google everybody asked me to do it But uh, but yeah, like um, you're right. It does according to this as of two years ago It's still more than 50 white. Yeah, you're right. I'm seeing that too. Hey, I'm seeing that too You're you're looking at the color of this chart I would think that the ideologies would be shifting based on religious beliefs of the people coming into the country because it seems like Go ahead, Robert You just need to go over there pay a visit. All these statistics have no meaning until you physically go over there It's changed so much. Yeah, I've seen a lot. I've seen videos that show how it's changed. No, I mean, I've been there I'm telling you it has changed so So, I mean so robert could you so my only experience was more in australia? And there was a lot of islamic people coming to australia and in a short period of time Halal laws were starting to be on the books So it was actually changing politics in a very short period of time It would that relate to your experiences Not not so much just for islam, but would you see religion coming into an area and changing the politics more than just the race of the person? Oh, definitely. Definitely Yeah, take sweden as an example. I mean they pretty much destroyed that So and my wife swedish And she refused to go back there She cannot she doesn't want to go back to sweden because she's afraid of being rake She her um, yeah, that's how bad it's become. So regardless of what you guys think Yeah, I mean granted the white race has never been what you might call the um The sun shining example, but for the most part what's being replaced by Is not going to be good for the long term. Look. Yeah. I mean, I'm not like I feel like I've made it very clear I don't want to virtue single anymore.  I'm not coming for an ethno state or anything like that But I am worried. I am worried about uh Uh, not as good culture replacing a good one Yeah, okay, okay Dank I did put an animated graphic in the back chat That does your pie chart from 1961 up to 2021 So when you see that you can see that there is a vast I think that's the same thing. I just I just screenshot. Yeah, it's the same one. I just screenshotted it instead of Let's go down the other tangent that it would be that it worked question real quick before you go down another tangent Yeah, oh, yeah that oh, wow. Yeah, that is different the people can see while they're watching Yeah, there you go. There you go. Look at the look at the animation there that really Yeah, you are misleading us there dank Very misleading sir. So so robert the question. No, I wasn't What's misleading about it? I'm joking. I'm joking. What's your question? Your question. I mean the big the biggest the biggest It is misleading a little bit the what you presented How has a legal immigration harmed legal immigration? Yes, that's my question So I would say in practice not that much in theory probably a bit We have anywhere from 12 to 22 million illegal immigrants in the country And I would say the looming presence of that group of people has probably caused us to Take in less legal immigrants than we could have In that time and not upset our labor markets and things like that But otherwise a lot of the programs that these people draw from there's no, uh, it's not like a net or a zero sum game There's no rate. It's really just costing them as much as any other taxpayer to pay for illegal immigrants and that's about it I could bond it.  Yeah That we've kind of not covered like why is no why is this only happening in our like and maybe i'm wrong Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe this is happening in other countries where the Population of that like maybe india or pakistan or iran iran or like wherever like All right, like whatever the uh, mexico pick a country the countries that people are coming from that are coming here Are those countries diverse? No, okay, so why is it only our countries allowing why is it only the white majority countries that have to be diverse? They're not democrat No, thank can you explain that like japan would japan be better if it was a majority? Why do you think dank? They are what they progress Wait a minute. They progress into the future. I was asked a question. Let me answer. Would they be like let me ask Let me answer Would you shut up and let me answer? Yeah, I'd love to hear your answer. I can't wait So The answer the answer that is very simple the american culture has for The entirety of our country been that we are a nation of immigrants No, I and we welcome immigrants here. Okay. I mean we were you're not answering my question Hold on. We can you be from france a statue that was built by slaves to depict our freedom What You write rewriting history now. Hold on. No, it's not. I don't want to let him get away with this I don't want to let him get away anybody else else. I you gotta explain Why explain to me the statue of liberty was gifted to us by france and was right by you're right and I talked about that earlier Yeah, anyway Explain to me why it's advancement in progress for white majority countries to become white minority countries But literally every other country in the every other country in the world. That's not like american culture You're saying you don't like american culture when you're saying that you're saying every country should be america coming into this Majority an american majority all white people should move to the countries take them over and make them america. What are you saying? I believe people should move to any country.  No other country is Which makes me question. I just I wonder about it. Wait, dude. Wait Wait, let me answer that. Okay. I can answer it from my point of view. I don't live in other countries I want my country to depict my point of view or to to uh The pattern after my point of view which my point of view has been bred to me by my culture Okay, so from your point of view from your culture that's been bred in you Japan your your your views and your perspective on japan would be better, correct? If it were like a minority japanese, right? Correct I don't care about japan. No. No, why can't you answer the question though? Just answer it because I did answer the question.  What would the land of japan be if all white people move there today? It would not be chat. It wouldn't be japan anymore. Like our culture would take over Our culture already has a heavy influence that land that landmass is known as japan The things that are in that landmass are known as japanese, right? Well, so why would a race moving there? Change what that land is Oh, you mean like australia. Well over time it would fade away Percy all the rest of them over time it would fade away. That's what would happen. Yeah every nation fades away All right, well, right, but we got it right. That's inevitably what happens But I think the goal is to Keep it chugging along as long as you can. Why why are we committing suicide is what I would ask, but whatever Because we got a good thing going here. Let's keep it going You cannot immigrate to saudi arabia. You can't integrate to pretty much any country in the middle east Why? Okay, okay, but I've got a question You never answered me though.  So so what does america mean to all of y'all? It means star trek guns. It's like freedom, liberty pursuit of happiness Uh exploration into the into every frontier. That's what it is titties. Yeah, that's not a good question I didn't think about that one. That's a good question. I just hold them Uh, uh beer bongy ipas and smash in the can of my head. That's america Skateboarding that's a very very good question I gotta think about that. No, it's just it's what we got Drone. I I I see your point of view if that's your point of view of america.  I wouldn't live here if I had a choice. Okay I was born in Pittsburgh, but I wouldn't live in the u.s anymore I would look I'm trying to explain to you drone that I I understand your point of view since Since everything that you listed is what you believe america is because everything that you listed did not include immigrants No, it does. I immigrants. I yes immigrants. That's this part of it. Also, I That was the first thing that came to your mind.  I already said multiple times that like I'm all for the idea of groups and religions and everybody coming together Dude in a common cause here, dude. No, look, look, look, dude You're you're always constantly talking about the left doesn't care about america and the left hates america And I'm telling you that my view of america is that we are supposed to be a land of immigrants What we were taught in school I don't care what they're teaching right now What we were taught okay because we're all old men right here. Can I ask you right? Hey, man, can I stop you and ask you one question? And this is it So when all the europeans came over here in my opinion, I know this might sound harsh But like the the culture that came over here and basically did like kind of take over the land They were a superior culture. Okay, so it was an improvement It didn't work out so great for the indigenous people. I agree But in the end it was an improvement like the people that are like the millions and maybe all of them are amazing people And they're going to make this country like way better and I hope I do hope that Is what happens But like we're talking about people coming from cultures that are not as good from ideologies that are not as good Like what makes you mean by ideologies not as good Why do you think why why do you think the european culture was an improvement over the native culture of america?  It was violent They were in tune with the land In tune with the land hunter gathers the things the things that come on stop. Thanks. Stop. Hold on. No, you stop It was not in tune with the land. They were barbarians In tune with the land. They were barb. They They they made war. They took over land.    No, I don't oh well, anyway, uh, I don't know what your point was there, but I I think it's good if we put our ear to the ground. We're not gonna be in tune Indians were We will never listen to the earth like well, here's the thing. Yeah, I wish that that would have worked out better I think it would have been cool, but It would have been cool if our cultures would have intertwined better and developed together that would have been interesting Let me ask let me ask you a question. Why is it when people uh want to learn how to survive outside of society right now What things do they learn? Well, when I went to survival school We learned how to set traps We learned how to skin We learned how to read footprints and all the rest of it And we learned how to start Okay, now now wait a minute now. What in all of that? Is not a native american trait all of it No, those are traits. None of those are great skills, dude You know when you Real quick. Let me throw out there first god here. You think the people in your kids know how to do that? Of course it is You think they were taught by indians. Hey, let me just Hold on. Let me throw out there that dake dake just made a racism because literally Literally the definition of racism your topic is racism. You've you wanted to change topic and I don't want to change No, I don't want to change but he just he just signed a trait He just signed a trait to a racial group. That's racism Culture and skills. He's sharing skills with the culture. You need to actually try to be charitable You need to try it for once. I was joking You are not joking. You are not joking.   You're right. I got here five seconds ago and Hey, so slow your roll. So slow your roll because I've been here doing this for like an hour or an hour or whatever Keep going dude. I've been listening Okay, so chill out Go ahead I asked you to try to be fit to to engage with this argument in good faith I want to By all you you now once again have my permission to have the floor to speak and try again All right before before you guys go back into it. I want to make a point about Uh, the skills of different nations having survival skills. They may be different skills But I do believe that every nation has people with survival skills And the survival skills are probably in tune with the culture per per Per area like yeah, like the Celtics probably have their own culture Well, the Native Americans had their all church had others, right? I mean like I would think it would benefit from the natives in their land, wouldn't we? I agree. I don't understand how this is so crazy It's engaged with it's very easy to engage survival skills What's easy to engage with? Specifically, what's easy to engage with? Your whole point is our culture is better than another right no culture was better than another you came and you're saying that we came Our culture is awesome. I didn't say no culture was better than another You said our culture was way better than there, right? I said that there are no, I didn't say no culture is better than another I said there are better cultures. I'm glad it's recorded. We ran that we can rewind the tape What I never my entire argument is that there are superior cultures like three minutes everybody So like, you know roll back three minutes Everybody does anybody here honestly think that I believe Does anybody here believe honestly to think that I believe that there is no superior That all cultures are equal. This is where the eddick flash cuts to you saying it's like four months ago I'd ever said that I will believe I do believe that cultures in the past believe they were superior to other cultures No, I I definitely think there are superior cultures. I think our culture is superior To the culture most of these illegal immigrants are coming in You go way back in time and just about every culture out there What about what about immigrants from our southern border? Is it inferior or superior about them? What make what what about those cultures make them inferior? I shouldn't say culture actually I should say the society is they came from not their culture You gotta pick it right What is my topic? What is my topic? Debate replacing white majority countries as progress mass immigration is a bad thing. No No, wrong. It's debate replacing white majority countries as progress That's the debate reading the prompt. I'm sorry. Okay. Well my fault For reading the the debate prompt on the screen my fault. Is it the uh wait does replacing white This chat room this chat room is a different one. I'm trying to fix it now. What are you talking about? Is it? Does replacing white people make society better? And I got here a few minutes ago everybody replacing white majority countries as progress like what? What you were saying was something or anyway What about our our Latino and hispanic brothers and sisters from from south of the border Is what what traits are they bringing in that's making our country bad? I didn't I didn't say necessarily bad. I just You're coming in so late to that you did not listen So, uh breathe me do it do it in two minutes. I will brief you. Okay. So I have no problems Listen, I have no problems with people of all cultures religions skin colors, whatever coming here I I prefer it legally But what I want is all of us to be at least have a common idea of what a common trust Of you know, what holds our society together and not like these like completely divergent ideologies And it seems like with the mass amounts of people that are flowing in I know that democrats hope that those people will come in here and give them a permanent majority I know that it may not work out that way. It hasn't actually so far. So, you know Because they're mostly evangelical, right? Most of the people come in are religious and spiritual All right, right, right, right here here's the thing and I talked about this earlier Is that I do worry with the propaganda onslaught that Our government and media are engaged in against their political opponents that people the millions that are coming in now Will be easily susceptible and swept up in that and they will be easily manipulated into the democrat, you know and they're They're getting a lot of benefits when they get here and if they're dependent on these benefits Then they're going to vote for who they're getting those benefits from I'm just saying that there's definitely questions if this is actually a good thing for the country or As I as the title of the stream is is replacing a white majority in countries Like why is this considered progress as bill marr called it? He's so excited about it He thinks we should get a pat on the back for it. I'm simply asking Like why what like why is that a good thing? No, I have no, uh, uh For us or faith in you to care to Characterize bill marr successfully. I want you to tell me I well I played the video and I took notes. I'll tell you what he said I want you drone tech to tell me your reasons what what what traits Do whites possess in america? Keeping the majority it's part of your title. I'm asking you The part of my title the whites people what what about being white makes it a majority country What are we keeping when we keep it white?   I asked you one question. Right. Okay. So I don't think any of that. So One question I asked you what about white people because you're saying it's a problem if white majority I'm saying that the white majority united states. I'm saying that the uh, the uh So-called white majority united states, uh, the white majority Western other western nations have done pretty well. The societies are pretty have done pretty well for a long time and that like What about white is important? What about the whiteness is important?  So one one thing here. So the smithsonian and uh Some black group. I can't remember what they're called. They put together this chart of what they considered White culture and it listed. Are you familiar with this atlas? No, I'm not okay. So thank you. Do you know what the smithsonian is? I do know what the smithsonian is. So they put this chart and they it's called They say this is let's put it out. Hold on. Be quiet. They said they said Tell me be quiet.  We don't have those anymore. Uh, the scientific method They were calling these things white culture. So I'm operating under that standard. Okay Well, I'm glad that you That the left and the democrats and the smithsonian I want you to link it. Let's see it. Let's see this. Let's see it. All right. One second. All right. One second. He's talking about whiteness, generally What do you think, Tyler? What do you think for our whiteness? What do we have as a white people that like That's our strong point. I've been wrecking my mind. I don't know what it is I think he he's using white as a stand in front I'm looking at the most great conversation I've ever listened to in quite a while outside of work Well, sorry Robert, but I am curious for the question like I just think of Myself and my family Do you see this atlas that what I'm putting in chat But what they say is they're using it as a standard for western culture though, essentially it's not right That's what I'm talking. I'm just talking about whatever the the group of people who have been behind the societies that have been most successful To this point a cute screenshot of something that has no citation. No citation. It says right there like oh, hold on one second It wasn't All right, so I I can back drone up on this this was put up in the smithsoni in a few years ago Oh my god, everybody record this moment. It was it was it was there for like, uh, I don't know how long they they got blowback from it.  So hold on. It got criticism. I got taken down. So it's not No, but this is does anybody deny that this is what the mainstream left things It's not even a current. It's not like a policy. It's you got triggered over You got triggered over. Oh boy. Here we go. You asked him to define whiteness. He gave you a poster. This is how I asked drone tech to define whiteness and he told me he deferred to somebody else's stupid I didn't ask me to define whiteness I asked me roll back the tape everybody. Everyone is good thing. It's recorded. I talked about this earlier. I just said like European cultures obviously so glad like a banner Why why I don't even know why you'd ask me that like, what's the point? What are you trying to prove? I am trying to ask you what about what trait you said? What trait do white people possess? I have not finished one sentence That's what I finish one sentence. You asked me what trait. Drone tech, will you allow me to finish one sentence? And I'm giving you a list of them. Drone tech, will you allow me to finish the sentence? Yeah, I give you a list of traits But drone tech, will you allow me to finish the sentence? Yes or no? Thank you What I am trying to get at is what are you associating with what other characteristics about whiteness Are you associated with because for me all I see is a melanin count in their epiderms Talking about whiteness. You lied. You lied when you said I could finish. You lied when you said I could finish I I already know what you're gonna say, but good Such a liar drone tech So, yeah You don't need to because It's not about skin color. It's about you put it in the title You're you're the one because that's the way That's the world we live in so I have to talk about it in that What I'm saying is these traits that you are calling western are learned characteristics that can be taught to any human Exactly, I agree Brain so nothing about immigrants who come across the border cannot be taught. There's nothing intrinsic of these immigrants I well, okay. Well, then I'm glad we agree and this debate's over. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I agree with all that I have no disagreement there and in fact, I would say that I would say that this list of things Hold on. Listen. I would say this list of things that uh, the smithsonian and it wasn't just them I I got to see the other group here with some black Former smithsonian page that is no longer right, but they did put it out there. Hold on. Listen I would say that this list of things is very asian. I would say like a lot of these things are things that asian culture Uh, uh prioritizes and so it's definitely not uh race related I would say these what I would say what I would say be quite please Putting bucks. You don't give me a chance. I'm not gonna give you I would say this is a list. I'm not gonna give it to you I would say this is a list of things that that ends up in successful societies is what I would say It's entertaining for a while, but if you guys care too long, I will give other people a chance. Yeah, I'm done.   I'm glad you do research. You really you have some good research tools But since you met me, I have no idea what your problem is, but you need to take the stick out You need to take the stick out I am probably older than you dude. I am probably older than you I am I am 162 he walks with a walker with the tennis balls on it. So I get the free handicap space I So I kind of want to get back to the actual subject man Because again, it's really easy to figure out what you mean by white or whiteness Is the standard of western culture and you don't want it supplanted. You've already talked about We've already gone over the fact that you're fine with legal immigration as long as it's not too much To change the culture of the place or I want to say though a lot of the talking points You guys have been bringing up from england. These were really good talking points in 2014 2016 when these roaming rape games were happening There's been persecutions. There's been deportations and that rape rate in england has fallen Oh, it's same thing with sweden. A lot of these problems have been taking care of themselves with time And now france is even going overboard to the point where they're deporting people That are saying that they're pro-palestine and too aggressive of manners. So I think that's crazy. I don't like that They're very happy on our first amendment over there. They're very happy to kick people out I don't eventually assimilate to the culture I don't like that at all. I don't like that happening here either Except for the people that tear down the signs and they get on video. I think that's Stand up for dark brandon who's had a very good 2013 in terms of his presidency best one yet. So he uh Put a law in order in february of 2023 that if you get caught sneaking over the border You're not allowed to apply for siloing for five years So now what a question. What an open border? I have a quote. Well based on open border. Yeah So when you look at the chart that was put earlier where it shows over time like from 1960 something where it was 90 something percent uh white people in London, I guess and then it showed around 1990 it really started to jump in immigration For ourselves. What is the difference between before the open border and after the open border of the influx of immigrants And the second half of that question is how long will it take for us to actually see statistics to show Better information because right now we have people that are talking about certain things like crime and whatever Or jobs and whatever i'm just if anyone has any thoughts on those two questions I know that our I think as far as far as us whites I so I think we're still like 65 percent our Apparently our birth rates are keeping it up or something. I don't know what's going on But we're still like 65 percent. You're welcome somehow. Yeah.  Well, they get called.  The media is like, they're white 36 percent of Hispanics of the united states identify as well. Have you seen people have been posted on twitter these crime pages from uh law enforcement from around the state and they count like They count uh, these clearly like mexican people the south american people as white In the crime stats and and black too. There's I don't I don't believe I don't believe just every screenshot post that I see people posting online. No, I know there's uh, it's a it's a rabbit hole. Uh, there's been there's Maybe a little stream on that but yeah, it's been confirmed. It is happening See It is real. Uh, we can go into it. But yeah, it Do you want to go into that? I can start bringing that stuff up All right. Well, I I kind of wanted I kind of wanted to bring up because the question was asked, you know The the pie chart looks, you know crazy right around 90s. Well the pie chart just shows the the number You know the number of Ethnicities percentage over the course of that time It doesn't give you any reasons why those uh emigrations Started or why those die-offs might have happened Which is another question that I'm uh that I'm asked that I wanted to ask So where are all the white people going? Just birth rates Right, they're not going anywhere.  Well, no our borders need to be secured. That's all like there's just millions and millions and millions and millions of people coming in Like what do you think dang dude? Just pretend like that's not but wait, wait, wait, wait a minute Wait a minute wait a minute dude if if if the white birth rate is falling Then white people are going to be replaced eventually anyway So even if you lock the country down What is what is going to guarantee that white people still exist? I never said so no more and I never even said I made it clear It's not necessarily connected like skin color like it's just like it's uh, it's an understanding You're just you're just grouping them you're just grouping the box together of the constitution. No, look I brought up the constitution earlier. No, listen to me atlas I brought the constitution earlier as an example Our own culture is losing sight of how important the constitution is much less people By the millions coming in from a country that has no concept of what it is Who's gonna remove the constitution right wait? Oh my god. Are you kidding me? You pointed to the constitution has nothing to do with like immigration like I have no idea what you're I still don't know what the problem is. I still have no idea what the actual problem like what where there we culturally I just told you where I just told you a problem I used a misunderstanding or an ignorance of the importance of the constitution and the fact that in our own culture In our own culture without immigrants from South America without that Without that we have a serious issue with people not understanding the importance of the constitution Our police forces don't freaking think They think it's a joke when I say What do you think I mean what when I say your shadow boxing, what do you think I mean? Fighting with myself So real quick I want to jump in there about the about the constitution a little bit for you I was making a point about why the mass legal immigration is a problem. How's that shadow boxing? Hey, uh average debate. What were you saying dude? Hey, I wanted to just jump in really quickly and talk to you like about the constitutional infringements of the past So during the civil war Lincoln suspended the first amendment. It was arresting Reporters that were reporting positively on the south in the north. So like we've had infringements on the constitution throughout history I'd argue that right now it's a bit better than it's ever been and with police in particular That's a really recent cultural shift.  So that's killed them. Yeah, that's a really recent famous video. Have you ever seen that? Oh, yeah That we have all these police rights that are these rights with police for citizens is a real new thing That has been getting better with time. So It does look like police don't care, but they've had more now than they ever have Look, dude, uh, only because of people I've had my life threatened I've had by I've had my life threatened by a cop Pulled over had weed in the car They was was searching me had weed in the car Was threatened by a police officer Yeah, so I was I was pulled over years ago had weed had weed in the car It was like a quarter pound or something Um, so they had me on the on the hood. They're like, you know, searched me and everything and one of the cops This is like searching me telling me go ahead man. Please move make any move. I want to shoot you um This was that's profiling dude Just because you were the only person driving down that sidewalk and he pulled you over Yeah, welcome America But no, I mean like my point is that like cops You could uh cops are okay with just shooting citizens and that's that's that is what the problem is I don't really care. I may not like I may not like Tyler, but let but let me let me just see a minute You would you would say that it's better now than it is 50 years ago 60 years ago 70 years ago, right? Yeah Okay, well, I think that's I think it's to Tyler's point is that there are periods in in history They're far worse in the world today And the biggest infringement on the constitution is a president who refuses to step down from power And ask his vice president to amend and withhold the constitution so he can stay in Man, we should listen to him. We should listen to him I don't like him very much, but you should listen to him. Hey follow me.   I want you to know this I'm I'm always at a 10. Okay, so I make sure that my engagements are rare But I gave you guys a break for the first, you know, however long you're here. Okay chill I gave you all a break I think you're I think you don't really like address any points. I was really trying hard to address Every single one of your points. I was trying to address every you Don't say that you're not you're just you're saying something that doesn't make that's not true Okay, we're like we can go back. I really watch this point. What is your point? All right, let's have a final showdown right here. What is your point? I haven't addressed. I'm gonna ask you. What is something I haven't addressed? The question replacing a white majority countries is progress. Yes or no No Okay, I disagree with the premise. Okay. I disagree. Well, that was the premise Bill Marr said it. He said it on several shows You should be smarter than bill marr Well, he's not alone though. Like that's that's like he is a signal of the mainstream left You healing to somebody else's virtue signal doesn't doesn't help atlas. Well, that's what this was based on, right? He said it was a victory. Thank you. He said it was a victory and that We deserve a pat on the back. I don't know who he means by we and that we achieved this is what he said And that there's more to do and my question is what is that more to do? What does that mean more to do? Well for we for we you could say that uh, media He could group himself into that group when he says we but but when he says But let me ask you this let me ask you this when how much influence does he have in media, right? I know some people are like He's just echoing the mainstream narrative though Sure, some uh, he's echoing some people out there. You know, I mean I can find kind of like what tyler said I can find I can find people who would totally buy in a trump's narrative about anything, right? But the point is we're supposed to come over with compromise, right? We're supposed to find some Is widely They're trying to throw him in prison. They're literally trying to put him in prison before the election He's trying to go to prison himself by himself. Oh, whatever dude.  There's a hundred indictments. That proves how real it is If I had an indictment from a judge, I'd be taking it seriously I would be taking it way more seriously. Hillary Clinton should have been indicted. Uh, joe bines should have been indicted What about isms doesn't answer doesn't address what they should have but they aren't because Well, it's a system it's a system where they aren't indicted unless they need to get rid of them because they're a threat I'm just armed care. They do indict them Drone that that Florida indictment is pretty serious. You know, why can't you take any? I bet nothing happens See, this is my point. This is my point.   They're not equally applied. That's clear. It's clear They are equally applied the law has been applied equally So why why is it that democrats the media can unleash this whole more people in hollywood Can you be more specific for me to care? All right, whatever Can I interject? You absolutely may. Go ahead Okay, I just want to interject with something quickly because I'm gonna have to go My wife came home and she brought up a point to me that I think is very appropriate to this conversation I mentioned before that she will not go back to sweden because it has become too dangerous When trump was around she felt safe But now she wants to carry because of biden That's happened only recently So what's you guys think excuse them robert. Let me ask you something when you're done what If I get robbed at night, if I get robbed at night, should I never leave the house at night ever again? No, not unless you should always be able to But you have to be it is Agree with your characterization of how when trump wasn't was uh in charge that just the world was better There's nothing magical about his ass cheeks being in the office Police weren't the funded and they actually had he had control of the police are still fine biden has control over nothing Okay, I nothing there's nothing in what you just said that I can really address with I'm glad I you express your feelings And I agree. I agree. I agree. You don't care But if you were to talk about my wife That regates into me and I have no problem I ask you Wait a minute The sign of the glorious leader of all Wait a second, dude Who the united states wait a second, dude. All right, all right brandon. You have the mic. I muted him So that was a bit of a derail guys. I know you guys are passionate, but we got to take it back down If brandon felt uncomfortable I would like to kind of put I would like to kind of put the uh The thing out there to say that I personally felt uncomfortable when I don't care Okay Real real christian like behavior Okay, so like the right like to say under trump facts don't care about your feelings All right, so yeah Your wife might feel uh uncomfortable might feel daint, you know, not safe under biden But that's I don't know what kind of propaganda your wife is being fed So I can't really account for your wife's feelings You like you can't get mad at somebody for for like trying to say that and I In my view, that's all atlas was trying to say and you took completely derailed and like soyed out on that. So I'm thanks, man I appreciate it. I can give it to you guys Real quick robert To help your wife better sleep at night I would advise looking more into your state and local elections where the actual policing is held Uh, you want to make sure you're voting for da's that are going to actually fund police and prosecute crime Biden has little to no control over your local police and what they can do Yeah, a lot of it is your local and state election. So I would just keep looking to the da you're voting for That's probably the biggest thing and make sure you're voting for your politicians. They're gonna fund police and you'll be more safe than Most people in the unites. I agree with everything Tyler just all right All right, the mic is going hot now. Let's be good boys. Had been in charge This is what's happened And this is what he's created So you guys can take and live any way you want to live But as far as i'm concerned we packed now because of him We didn't before And if you try to rob us, yeah Two in a chest double tap and you're done No problem stepping over the body You gotta make sure they're not a zombie. I hope you live in a state. Oh definitely ain't gonna tap in the head, doesn't I just hope for your safety in a standard ground state You know guys, I think you need to leave with that and just go home because the wife wants to go to bed But you know, you always got that one individual that tries to just piss you off But in the end, it's definitely me. I totally agree with you. They send your wife I was definitely drunk.    Keep it.  Do you think I have a problem? You're already mad at me. I didn't even I disagreed with you and you got mad at me. I disagreed with you and you got mad at me I I demonstrated the illogical pattern behind Well, you know this it was dark.  We would get into the the actual evidence on what makes people safer in sweden Or what what country is sweden switzerland? Oh, yeah, let's go. All right. So let's go with that actually atlas So if so to ask her directly if she's willing to share I don't want to I don't want to I'm just pointing out that I just I'm curious That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I didn't want to include her I was just saying I was pointing out the the logical fallacy of pointing out that when the sun is out and something bad happens It isn't the sun's fault It's I mean No, no, no, no, you're too narrow of you you really got to get out of one. Yeah. Yeah Ten years the country definitely wasn't enough No, no, you need to go a couple more dangerous I promise I promise I have done exactly as you asked Have you gone to a ranch? I think you should go there. Why can't we be friends? I'm chilling. I'm chilling dude.  He he pokes fun at me all the time, but he gives great stats, you know all the time So, you know, I mean I can disagree with somebody and you know like him at the same time I okay I'm asking you a question and I've seen too much Next the corner is the worst president I've ever seen during my life If your wife is willing to tell you just in summary What has happened since biden has been in office that she can recall that makes her feel Uncomfortable enough that she wants to carry when she goes out because that is my carry question Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Did you hear what the other question was? Can you repeat the question? What has happened in the current presidency?   She doesn't want to talk He's afraid of getting involved because you know all heated to go up with me He doesn't want to get involved with the conversation Robert, she's your spouse. Why don't you interpret? What things has biden done to make her to make her feel less covered? You can you can steal man this dude? I believe in you There's yeah, is there anything you can you can what does biden remember that that she's Told it. What was the question? What has biden done to make? Robert's wife specifically to feel Feel less comfortable in sweet in sweden, right?  Hold on one second. Well, that's what was the original thing I'll give one thing So I asked him I so his wife is uncomfortable now. I mean he called I'm asking him what makes her uncomfortable. Sorry, go ahead I would say he one thing he did is during his weird Uh red wedding speech where he called a good chunk of the country semi-fascist I think that's pretty threatening especially combined with the media offensive of like, you know Republicans are literally a domestic terrorist organization should be treated as such and that kind of stuff I talked to her. Do you think that kind of rhetoric is reprehensible? On the media, absolutely Do you think when Trump does do you think when Trump does it it's reprehensible? When Trump does what? When he uses vitriolic, uh rhetoric to Describe I think when he called I think when he said the media was any of the people he was dead Freakin on I think they okay, so You don't you don't see how you're kind of like lopsiding this argument here on on your own personal biases lopsided I know I I know it's not that uh cut and dry, but uh, I'll I'll go that way just for the sake of doing it Oh, yeah, I'll can we You agree Sweet sweet, all right, so I asked her and so it basically goes down to the fact being the media Wow, I already said the media Yes, but based on what she's receiving from the media. She feels scared that she's going to be attacked based on what's on the media negativity constant negative media That's what she said She blames mass migration in the media Who here has watched beef of indetta I have a super special movie everybody here. I think is a is a anti is an anti-government shill enough to love that movie, right?  We know I know I'm joking Okay, guys. Hey, all right. Um, so I'm gonna have to I'm retarded. I'm sorry. Um So it's been fun screaming at everybody Uh, thanks dank.    Just like end on Yeah, I want to say something before you go there. I'm just gonna go ahead and Okay, I'm gonna go ahead on this And then after you say something I'll I'll go ahead and go But like my whole thing with this topic was that like the way that it was broached in the chat was that You know bill marr thinks it's great that white people are being replaced in london And the more and more I thought about it. Well Okay, but no, he didn't because he was talking about london and he said that that was a great thing We're trying to get out of here. I've really I've really got to go dude. Um, so Like his whole thing in the in both of those clips was that London was like 90 white and now it's like 30 white which he got that completely fucking wrong Because in a chart that I can that I could find it shows as of two years ago White people still were more than 50 percent of the population But it's not just that London is located in england last time I checked england was an island So of course like people are going to migrate into there and Like I don't know man. I've I've got a lot of stuff on my mind right now. So I'm not even gonna go into that right now I don't know why I just tell you one thing, buddy. So All right Yeah, go ahead because I I'm done. I know you gotta go I just want to tell you congratulations I just want to tell you congratulations and uh Uh, I wish your family the best and thanks for being here, bud. I appreciate you being here as obvious. Hey, man. I'm Look, I'm doing my part to keep up the white race. So Thanks, man Yeah, I'm about to be yelled at so I will talk to you guys later It's been fun. Sorry about yelling and screaming, but you know, that was all part of the fun So you guys all have a nice night. All right Another day to know Yeah, we should probably wrap this up. Honestly, I'm probably gonna balance here pretty soon myself All right, it's a guy you've came back. Steve came back and we're like, all right. We got to go Oh, it's not bad. It's just well, what time is it? 10 30 man, I can keep going. I guess I did drink a monster energy drink like 30 minutes ago, so I was surprised to stay up. I can keep talking You guys anything on your minds yet?   I think like I like like I said earlier I like the idea of all the groups working together As earthlings, you know towards a common goal out to space to explore, you know, I like that whole idea But that's sort of a a romantic idea almost I feel like and the reality is different and I feel like you know It's sometimes hard to do that because it's so easy to be like, oh, you're a racist And I don't think people their inclinations are necessarily racist when they ask these questions I think they're just genuinely concerned that what we've built up could be erased Sure, but you know, there's proper measures for that. We just bring people in at the right number amounts You could make it more algorithmic. You could base based it on like, uh Job openings right now in the united states. We have what nine million open jobs A lot of people retired for cove it and just never came back to the workforce like people that were 50 There's a lot of jobs open right now. We could use more immigration to be completely honest Well All the legal immigration we can get I'm fine with that. It's just people You know people have a problem and this this has been the same thing for 25 years or more I don't at this point, you know, I don't even know but it's just this flow across the southern border. It's just Combined with what the democrats are very openly Talked about I've been talking about for 20 years, you know, how do you know? It's an actual problem is compared to a problem that's been told to you by the media, right? You already admitted you already said that the media's problem I just explained why right, but so you agree with him I just told you why it's important to me atlas because the democrats have been very open about their their Scheme to use this illegal immigration to turn bluest our red states blue and get a permanent majority That is a problem for conservative americans specifically I'm asking for like what what are what are the economic harms that are happening to america by Admitting these people in general like I guess that's what I'm looking for. I look for economic event for that Uh, I I was not full disclosure. I was not so he may have and that and if he did I apologize He can probably mess with me. You can say you can say shut up because I know I'm late No, I know he just had a really good point because he works in the building industry and he's getting I'll hear it again if he's willing. Sure. What was the answer? Steve you there? Well, yeah, my answer at the time was I I'm still in the building trades different now though But when I was a contractor subcontractor And I did everything by the books and paid people fair wages and had Liability as well as workman's comp insurance When you go in and make a fair price a bid on something and somebody undercuts you because they're using illegal labor and paying them 10 bucks an hour And not giving them shit for health insurance or anything else That it completely fucks up the whole process of bidding and jobs and and quality and it undermines the entire industry Complete horseship man very common by the way In construction What would you say if I were to say that my solution to that would be to have the employers Enforce like an i9 policy or at least get like a sort of immigration policy with it Now that would be holding a standard to every company in america. I get that. But what would you say? Yeah, you have to do it because I can't run a business illegally So the guys who can I don't know how they're doing it. They're get they're breaking the law But there's no buddy out there policing it.   So everybody follows them.  That's you know, hello I would say there's a problem with legal immigration in the same way if you did do a pathway to citizenship and gave all those illegal workers a Way to to be citizens but also get the same rights and benefits and pay the same taxes And those places wouldn't be able to outbid you anymore The problem is if we bring in people based on a family system or a lottery system We're not directly lining up the economy with the job skills that we need to create a structural issue And you get structural unemployment, which is the specific type of unemployment you see When the job labor market doesn't match up with the skills needed by the economy I think that we should reform our immigration system to more be dependent on what jobs need to be filled As a programmer I work in h1b visas and indians taking over really cheap programming jobs has been screwing me over a bit So where programming is needed? Like maybe bring those people in but we were at a point where there wasn't a lot of programming jobs During covet a lot of people work remotely and they were still bringing in these visas So I would like to see immigration legal immigration reformed a bit to To meet skill demands in the market and not just bring people in blindly Because I gotta take the reason why people call like point out the racism part is because and none of this part of the conversation Does any of this really talk about race? We're talking about jobs. We're talking about i9 forms We're talking about you know legal change And I'm still wondering where the melanin count comes in Well, you asked me that but it's not You put in the freaking title, dude. I didn't do that operating I'm operating under the standards They said and you and whiteness the whole and whiteness the whole white people as white people become a minority We progressed.   Why are you acting like that's not like I don't we I don't think you really don't think there's any like negativity towards white people in this country or in the western world I think there is a negative towards white people.  Well, that's right But I do not Is ending quote whiteness not a priority of the mainstream left? No, not main when you say mainstream Okay, well, do you consider university mainstream? I consider students from universities fringe Okay, well, well, okay. Well the professors From universities fringe sometimes maybe Those are the people Like a school curriculum would be pretty is like the most furthest I would go All you're doing is proving that universities are pumping out extremists Your example earlier was a taken down smithonian like picture or do come on. Okay. Yeah. Why did it get taken down? You think it's maybe because people like Token down You keep the problem alive because you like you like the the virtue signaling or not. No, we're just people at standards We're trying to hold But you want to keep it up what I consider the problem solved I could consider the problem solved when somebody in that smithonian said, hey, we should probably take that down And it was taken down.  It's just manifested into reality and an avoid And I'm saying no, I'm not saying a manifesto or maybe there is a lot of people who think those things No, I'm felt comfortable you throwing that out into the mainstream I put I put on the evidence you put forth I'm saying these are the these are the these are the points There was a weird sign that was made by somebody who had a had a white problem, right? They got put up in this Find the group. I want to show you the group Complained and then it was taken down, right? And then my my my part in this would be like, oh cool It's over, you know, because the sign was taken down But you want to go back and like it was put up once and so we're gonna talk about it forever as if So you can't question why that even came about in the first place No, I don't I look I just don't think it's it's productive. I don't think it's productive, dude Is what I'm pointing out. I think what I'm pointing out. I don't think it's productive. Oh, I just hear real quick Real quick It was that that that poster he's talking about came from the Smithsonian and The institute or um the national museum of african-american history. That's where that came from You don't stop taking the antibiotic until this the doctor tells you to stop not when the symptoms go There's still all sorts of pushes all around the university And in different schools of academia that are still pushing for the exact same thing There are still anecdotal schools that teach that whiteness is a deal with the devil It is existing. It's not the mainstream Thank you. I think I think not the mainstream I just agree. I mean those are the institutions teaching Like the whole diversity equity and inclusion cult that all that that's coming from the universities I just don't know any other way to say it like those are the people leading our society I find it surprising that you would you would find this such a critical issue. And that's what I'm saying is I just That's why I think it's a critical issue because Racism all I'm told is that racism is the is the most persistent threat out there And yet I see clear racism that is being treated as though it's not racism Let me ask you how many people so that's a that's an issue to me That's an issue. I feel like I have to talk about I didn't I didn't hear tyler What were some of these people that coming out of these universities you think come out with this woke agenda? Uh With a woke agenda. Yeah a question. I think it's a pretty How would you know how would you know that like yes? How would you know? How would you know? And then and then that ideology might even taper off after time, you know We'll look right now.  Does it right now? Does it? Yes. Yes. Are you sure?  Ringo's an educated man The majority of people in that age group still support is rich right then they get out of the age group and they change Yeah, as they grow up they they you know as people grow up they grow more conservative because their brain starts working Not me though. I'm crazy You'll get there eventually. I'm crazy We're told by the president the press secretary the media that white supremacy is this huge major threat And yet the institutions our own institutions are pumping out hordes of these people who are out there literally fighting jews now Beating up jews killing jews by hitting them on the heads with megaphones And it's not just like explain to me how this is not so that just happened the other day And it's not a charlottesville event like where's where are the Where are the endless media covers that we're gonna hear for the next few years? Oh, it doesn't exist because I don't think the media is a solution I think the people like when people say like I have this fear that I'm gonna go get mugged in a foreign country How do I feel like that because the media told me that way that doesn't actually mean that you're gonna get mugged in a foreign country Right and and and you're getting you're you're participating in some sort of in like a fallacy when you're exploiting Well, you're exploiting it but what you're doing is you're selecting certain parts of shit Right in one area or another and you're perpetuating it and then and then we're enjoying i'm not perpetuating it I'm you we are we're ever just credit it. That's by all thing No, I feel I feel like it was discredited when it was taken down and then bringing it up again I'm just saying that that is Like what do you expect me to do? Can you guys can you pause you to have a higher standard that's a persistent message coming out Well We have a latency issue on youtube drone. I apologize. Um smoke steve's flagging it. He's seeing people and on youtube are Like when we're talking it's not Equaling out and it's not So, I don't know if you can Just refresh tell him to refresh Turn off him by calling him Smoke steve's giving you the the wobble there. I don't know just power cycle it Just seriously just hit refresh it'll work fine. I just tried it works fine. Do you ever listen to james lindsay? Of course. I love james lindsay man. He's Yeah, I like him. Yeah, I'm with him.  Like because I'm with him I I I've seen it's funny because I saw all the same things that he's seeing And then I I came on to him. So like that it's not like he's telling me like I totally saw these things quick coming on to dudes first of second Second I listen to him too.  I he does a service in a way By break giving all this stuff aggregating it breaking it down But he just everything is a nail and well, no Do you think he's wrong about these these like connections to marxism and the red revolution and all these things? He's not. He's just wrong about how prominent it is in our school system.  Like it's everywhere, dude The dei the dei trainings and all that of course. It's everywhere. Like it's It's perfect. Look at disney. Look how prominent it is and like disney I was just gonna go to that. I was just gonna go to corporations. These people are doing what they think is like This is the youth.   You know why because all these companies are getting sued Because they're getting sued for racial discrimination That's what's happening. You don't bring up like specific stories about white people being brought up They will get discriminated and then they and then they get they take the company to court and then they get winnings And they find that that's actually like under the law, right? It seems that these white people when they when they get Fired because the race or whatever They actually like i know of one case from starbucks said that she actually got money out of it You know what i mean? Yeah, they happen. They're having okay So again, what i'm seeing is what is the problem? It seems like the like the problem's been fixed again The fact that it's happening at all. Okay. I'm sorry that it's even occurring here I'll tell you why because it's like Wait, I thought we already knew this was wrong. Why are we doing it then? That's my problem It's like it should be obvious it was obvious to me It was obvious to all of us that it was wrong and yet it happened So are you old enough to remember the pain olympics? I'm 43. So yes, okay. Do you do you remember the pain olympics, right? Is that mxc? I maybe It's a old it's a old really bad video. You should no one should ever watch. Okay, but People would Yeah, people would download online wire the virus infested film thing right and you know, okay, but You subject yourself to watching the pain olympics, right? You went to go find that you went to go click it Okay, so that but just because you went and found that does not mean there's an epidemic of people cutting their genitalia off on On line. We're talking about fringe internet weird things not mainstream college institutions corporations media the government There's a big difference there. Well, I agree with tyler that it's fringe. So And I don't By what definition is a fringe is being taught in schools. It hates me. He agrees with me. What are you talking about? I just think you need to chill out a bit. No, no, I will never chill fringe No, I'm going crazy too. Don't don't stop it calling it fringes insane.  They always say no No, okay, but really don't but then they add like there are polls. I've seen the polls. Okay But there's like vague polls then you can add then you To the coal no, I'm not seeing your poll No, no, I yeah, so I'm saying I've seen the polls that show that basically abortion the majority only Support it in the early terms, but yeah, it's just young people. It's just progressive It's right But look at the issue and drive it forward because what else? This our job is to progress right, but look what happened here in Ohio. They just passed issue one, which basically there's no restrictions Hey And we just passed weed so I can I can hold on by weed soon. I'm out of fact. Check your winner I'm gonna look over the new whole Ohio law right now Ron DeSantis just thought about that.  Yeah, the cyber monks.  Oh really well known fake Nice, uh, the video is on our fake. They're definitely I don't know if we're talking about the same thing I just remember hearing talking to you here the lively crew. I'm not sure. I don't know.   You're trying to like punish me for noticing what's happening I'm punishing You kind of only have noticed right like you kind of what we talked about earlier You said that it was this thing that wasn't that is in the smithsonian, but it's not in the smithsonia Was right it was taken down Toids that you like to omit out of these details Okay, really kind of important to the overall story and I just don't like them. So, okay Well, you know, it's it's just like one of those things where it's like My normal self might just admit no listen my normal self might just like dismiss that But I'm in this world where like I understand the standards that like the other opposing side sets And so I'm going to hold them into those standards And so I have to know how a document like that could come to being in the first place Right, like you're not at all interested in that you are more than willing to be like it's gone but like Because I believe it I believe Let's say the smithsonian put out an operator from the rest of the Let's say out of the wall No, look, let's say the smithsonian put out the same document, right? But with some sort of like white christian group and instead of being tenants of Same actually the exact same document don't change anything about it and instead It's the smithsonian and the white christian Family group or something. I don't know. All right. Now now look at that document and how does it look? Is it still taken down after? Sure, like sure, but do you think but right, but do you think the smithsonian could survive that? Was it still in this scenario?  Okay Do you see my point? Do you see what I'm saying? No, no, because I don't think it would be just let go I don't think it would be let go like that Because that would be serious That's like that that document reads like it was written by the Ku Klux Klan honestly Like when I read it I was like what the like they're basically saying that like these things that like most like mature Uh, uh people adults do This these are white people these are tenants of the white culture I thought it was insane when I first saw I'm like, what like this is what I would expect the the klan to say About white people. You know what I mean And then someone made a comment and then it was taken down No, it it wasn't that simple. It it actually took a little while it took Quite a while and it took uh, you know an uproar by all those people all the white people that saw it No, we're just they saw this anti, you know, whatever Like we can we can move on from this. They should all be given it.  Oh, well he took it down. It's cool Well Well, it's kind of crazy like we still hear that trump never answer your question. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Uh, I would I would say it's your scenario is a little different Uh, I would not blame twitter for being on there Is what you know, I'm saying like like what drone tech's doing here is blaming the smithsonian as if the smith And he's using the the integrity of the smithsonian to try to push this sort of idea that even the Even the smithsonian agrees with this white with this white problem, right? And I don't agree with that characterization and I would you know be mad at but don trump for saying 142 times. Yeah, okay. Well, they don't because they took it down, right clearly Because for pressure, but like obviously they believed it.  This is something that's up right now at the Smithsonian at the uh, At the national museum. This is way more interesting. This is way more interesting. Go ahead So this is up right now the national museum of african-american history and culture whiteness At the national museum of african-american history and culture We believe that any productive conversation on race must start with honesty respect for others Respect for others, but this whole it says whiteness. It's got It's got like this. Uh, hold on. Let me show you. I'm still waiting for you to read it. Hold on. Hold on Why don't you read the whole thing rather than try to like? No, I just want to show the stream. Look at this. Respect for others. He's translating it Is it on youtube? It's on youtube. And then open this. Hold on.  Let's see it. Let's see it I'm watching the stream on the side so I'll watch it there Whiteness you do that There it is in the it's in the back whiteness It's in the back many shades right in that thumb whiteness white radicalized identity Whiteness and is there any other like Okay, whiteness and white radicalized identity. So if you have any kind of white identity That's four words. Can you read the paragraph refer to the way that white people their customs their culture and their beliefs Operate as the standard by which all other groups are Compared and so this mix is right in with that document. We got one sentence. No Well, I just posted the whiteness is also at the core of understanding race in america Whiteness and the normalization of white racial identity throughout america's history have created a culture Where non-white persons are seen as inferior and abnormal which I find ironic because this entire thing treats white people as if They are You barely read the first paragraph. I want to keep going. Hold on. The white dominant culture also operates as a social mechanism That grants advantages to white people So it's a conspiracy where it's a system where we white people we get special benefits on the side I want to pause right here since you got so many pauses. Can I get a one? Let's skip down to one more one more sentence whiteness and it's accepted normality Also exists as everyday microaggressions towards people of color Acts of microaggressions include verbal non-verbal environmental slights snubs Or insults towards non whites like we insult people Come on. Can you imagine why people talking about non-white people this way?  Whiteness and it's accepted normality also exists as everyday microaggressions towards people of color Acts of microaggressions include verbal so it's giving a description of what microaggressions are afterwards Now let me ask my question earlier. All those things are just white people existing If I was looking because I'm in because I'm in the smithsonian right right. We're in a history museum Okay, so if I'm in the if I'm in the history museum and I go to a segment where we talk about how like Certain black Individuals from history. We're not allowed in certain white areas from history, right? We think it's important that the museum provides proper context so people can understand what that means In historical contents. This has nothing this is talking about No, it is no national museum of african-american history And culture history being the key word here, buddy They're talking about whiteness and white fragility And confronting whiteness today But do you not think that it'd be important for a museum that discusses historical What I think would be important for a museum is not so what you want Hold on. Hold on.  It just shows pictures about it No, they can't apparently because this because this article right here is describing what those people mean when in historical context We talk about white, right? What do you mean by white? Right when they say whites like whites only right in the in the 1950s 1960s, right? What does that mean? If you know it's talking about current this is current Could you tell me how this is not about history? This is just White they're describing white people. Everything is history. No, this whole topic is about his stretching to try and no I'm not stretching. I am granting what's called charitability.  Let me ask you this. What when you uh Is when you make an assumption and a broad generalization about I'm not making assumption Stop when you do that when you do that about a whole group of people Based on the skin color is that racism? Yes, okay. That's what they're doing How are they showing me where they're doing that show when they talk about white fragility when they're talking about it No, they they literally they reference white fragility and white privilege. These are both white privilege I got it up right now white privilege since white people in america hold most of the political institutional economic power Although they provide no evidence or measure for this they receive advantages that non white groups do not again They provide no evidence these benefits and advantages of varying degrees are known as white privilege Of course, okay, so stop My first one. I don't like facing your whiteness is hard. Stop. Stop Listen to you So this is a broad generalization. This is a broad generalization and assigning traits based on skin color That's what you're not listening. Where is it on my mouth right now? What did I just say? Good, what did I just say? What did I say? You're not listening me. What did I say you didn't listen to me? I know gee you said facing your whiteness is hard. You don't agree with that. Okay. Cool. Thank you Right. I don't Facing my whiteness. I just am who I am. I don't face who I am I just am I'm not gonna I'm not gonna face who I am critically as though there's something wrong with who I am Who I was born as are you kidding me? Why would I do that paragraph? Okay? What are you talking about black people?  Is that fair that we you and I should petition the the the smithsoni to take this this uh This paragraph down. Do you want to do that with me confronting whiteness?  I would not say that this is hard and can result in feeling guilt sadness confusion defensiveness or fear These are the normal reactions to racism.  I work with people that are non white All I deal with is mostly non white people in a professional But I think I don't even know what this is talking about right like this whole thing that they've created doesn't exist I meet these guys. I shake their hands now. They're my brothers.   Exactly Steve is 100 right there This exists, okay This on the smithsoni in front page right white fragility definitely does exist Okay, when calling somebody racist definitely does Trigger a certain amount of because why people feel like we've gotten better over that as if we are immune to such a criticism But why do you attach a normal human reaction to a skin color? You're you're you're saying a normal human reaction to being generalized based on their skin color You're saying that that is special the the way white people react to that is somehow special Yes, it's pointing out a specific phenomenon among white people and particularly here in America That's how any person would react. But when a white person reacts to the exact same thing you call it white fragility No, some people don't react that way In the smithsonians front page. No, no, no, I You can go back to what I said. I I may not I may not have this in the smithsoni front page Right. I don't agree that this should be on the smithsonian But white fragility definitely is a real thing. Do you disagree that they are not can do disagree that they're considered a highly respected mainstream institution Uh, the smithsonian, uh Yeah, I it is a institution. It is a highly respected. Yes. Yes, it is What it I may say that I may go to school and may and may say that like I got a piece in the smithsonian or I have a presentation at smithsonia and that might be prestigious Okay, but as far as like what real Uh, like power does the smithsonian have I don't recognize that Okay, okay. Well, let me tell you the smithsonian or simply smithsonian is a group of museums education and research centers The largest such complex in the world Needed by the u.s. Government for the increase of diffusion of knowledge Oh, yeah, it's nothing I didn't say it was nothing. I didn't say did I did I say it was nothing with those my words you dismissed it as You said I was nothing relevant. I said I acknowledged it was prestigious in an education Did I not say that? Yes or no You did Okay, and they're they're awesome. They have uh, like president lincoln's coat that he was wearing when he got shot They have the right brothers playing.  That's my point Is we can find microcosms of anything right? Like I don't feel like this is a like I may personally may not like this Right, but I don't feel but that's not my call to make You know, maybe that maybe that's essential for this page, right? Someone may want to explain that but for me this whole page kind of reads as when someone says if I look at it in history And I see white what does that mean and then this page might help me understand that Well, aren't you white? I am white. Yeah. Well, I mean Don't you already know I mean you need the page or people the same All people aware of their forever privileges are all white people You know, I mean white people are not a monolith in the same way that Black people are not a monolith I just think sometimes educate and as we already talked about it is one of the largest educational formats in the world I figure that they should help educate people on a specific topic and when we go looking for specifically African-american history and culture and when we look for a definition of white We might find something like this and I'm just I don't see anything surprising or offensive to all white people This is a clear political stance for far left policies I'm now on the night. I don't think so If you scroll to the resources and start looking through the resources That's where I'm making this claim from so they have I see an article attacking color blindness I see power plus privilege equaling racism definition The abraham x kendi uh reading the titles Yeah Community disruption to belong teaching diversity and social justice The hand guide handheld being an anti-racist racial healing book Things like like these are far left point when you said Children are colorblind. What did you Tyler Tyler? What did you mean welcome come on over Tyler come on When you said that when you made a comment with the colorblind right when you were reading the title What do you think the article meant about colorblind? I mean colorblindness means the liberal principle of individualism. It's a way to do it right, right, okay So these these are anti-liberal progressive talking points that go against the the Neutral nature that these institutions are supposed to have and this kind of does go to drone tech's point about institutional capture in Handful of institutions by this ideological movement. I'm not saying it's good. I'm a holy with them that it's bad I'm just saying it's not as widespread as he Professed and I'm reading the material and the material is not nearly as bad as even what you're making it The article that it's not talking about children and colorblindness, right? It's talking about how children do segregate themselves by race and they do make comments about race And there is a commentary apparently that this article is rebutting that children don't see race So there's like that that that racism is a learned trait that that is that is not known to children And it just says no the you know children also have to have received some sort of social learning Four ways white people can process their motions without bringing white tears Yeah, I hate the way they talk about white they talk about it's so like Nazi-esque it's so like they talk about it's like we're aliens or something and just the way the media Portrays us and commercials like we're always the idiot.  I look I I I'm not like Bring about some sort of like white identity revival or anything I'm just saying that like there's clearly something happening here And we should like nip it in the bud, but too many people are like They think it's virtuous to ignore it and like just dismiss it as nothing Here's a little woman about colorblindness for you when you say you don't see race You're ignoring racism and not helping to solve from the guardian Yeah These are like so I guess my problem I'm having here is we're all getting great snippets and great points about things That may sound or may indicate really, you know some some edgy Opinions out there. And yet I still don't see any real Problems to society, you know other than like the biggest problem in my head to society is named Donald J. Trump right now Right, well look for president when I show you the Smithsonian example I'm just trying to show you that there It does and then you have like the um that what was the university where the Professor was kicked out a couple years back when they had the no whites day, uh, yeah evergreen and uh, and he's I can't believe I can't remember his name. I I've been I've been following him ever since but Wine scene. Yes.  It's called laughing at the left I want to say it's on the it's on youtube.  Uh, it's called laughing at liberals pretty sure it's still around But uh, those those that was going on years ago Like it's that that stuff is going on and and it's gotten worse Wine's done got a big payout So did as atlas was saying earlier a lot of these people this happens through they're getting huge payouts Now I went and googled it after that conversation I found an article I that got fired Because they just wanted to replace them with a diverse hire. They hired two women One black woman one lesbian to do his job He sued and said that they literally caused the company more money to hire two employees to do his job He ended up getting millions of dollars People are winning these lawsuits.  Right.  Right, but like historically speaking people who suffer the same sort of oppressions, right did not get legal And that was bad No, no reason to continue that bad. I you know Who who hasn't gotten their legal come up and so Me I haven't got mine. I think we should probably start signing out of here. Yeah, let's let's wrap this up Yeah, I gotta I gotta go My I just want to give a lot of respect to everybody that came and took the time to come out tonight and help the conversation Be more than it would have been if it was just me and druntek in here playing chess or something and on my outro my my uh conclusion for the night Nice That's true. So again, have a good night. See you man. Hey, thanks. I also want to say thank you to all of you I encourage everybody of all points of view to come here and join us because I love just I you know, if I'm wrong I want you to Convince me of it. I want to know that I am wrong and I want to change my mind. So Uh, thank you to everybody and uh Steve you can go next Um, thank you for being here drone. Do you mind if I mentioned my thing tomorrow night? Oh, yeah, exactly go for it Yeah, I have a live pub show that I host on saturdays 7 30 eastern standard time on my youtube channel and uh It's more lively here over there.  So it's awesome. Uh, it's cool. I appreciate that, bro But I have a great time here.  This is the best place to be Dude, I'm so happy you come here and uh, yeah, you guys should all go check out that stream I will put the link in the description of the stream so you can get it later Thank you my friend There yeah comment anybody else want to say anything else or Invite me to all your political debates. 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