There was a place for moderator and there wasn't anyone. Previously we had Paul Giuliani and all I recall him doing is what Libby just did, called the meeting to order and caused the election of the chair. Is there any other job for the moderator? I think it's statutory requirement. I think we have to have it by statute. It's only if we are able to have a district meeting. We would have to have the moderator. But I don't think there's really any reason that we would need to have a district meeting. I wonder if you could clarify with John whether we have a moderator. Jim, Andrew wrote somebody in. I wrote somebody in. So we should see. We might have a moderator.  So we should check in with... Hey she did my job! I think there's a minimum number of votes. You have to have the number of petitions. Would two votes be enough? No. The number that you have to have to be on the ballot, you have to have that threshold. What is that? So when you have to get a certain number of petitions to get on the ballot, it's that same number to be written in. 30 of your best friends didn't do the same thing you did. No. Well then we need a moderator if we... And to have our act together to ensure that we don't fire ourselves in this embarrassing pickle next year. So I know what that is. Just appoint somebody? Yeah, now you can appoint somebody. Of all the jobs to not have somebody? Right. No Jen, we've been through several consecutive dumpster fires. I didn't use that language at all. This is low on the list of embarrassing pickles. Alright guys, I will reach out to Pietro and find out and then we can... I think that's all the positions we have. We're elected by thank you all and welcome new old members. Jim, do we need to appoint members to the standing committees? That's a good question before I do. I hadn't thought about that until we started this process, but I think we're supposed to appoint members to the standing committees.  Negotiations. That is a good point of order. Because we had said... So there's five? If we weren't in negotiations, we couldn't do anything. So everybody is standing because we always have at some point in time. I have budget finance. No, budget finance is one. Negotiations, policy, superintendent evaluation. Are we going to be in the policy committee permanently? I said that. I'm sorry. Or maybe I didn't say it. We had a transportation committee, but I don't think we need to reappoint the transportation committee. I think we had said we would because there would be revisions and monitoring. I think it's a good idea. In the future it wouldn't be as intense as it is right now, but the goal would be that the policy committee would, if nothing else, just be doing some record keeping and, should we say, weeding and refreshing. As an appointed process, are we able to do a blanket? That's what I was wondering. Yeah, proposal of reappointing all of the same members who were on those committees to them in one vote. I believe so. As long as everybody knows what we're voting on. Yes. So in motion that we reappoint all of the members who were on the standing committees prior to town meeting day to those same committees post town meeting day. Second. Second. Can I make a discussion point? Sure. The reason it popped into my mind is because when we were talking about the superintendent evaluation committee at our last meeting, we had talked about Tina. We did have Tina. So she's on. Okay. So that is, yes, we're all clear there. So she's included in this vote. The superintendent evaluation committee. So we have a second. I did. I was a member. Hi. Any opposed? Excellent. I think we are reorganized. Libby and I will make a note to reappoint the clerk. Can we just do a blanket motion reappointing Lisa that everything she's been appointed to? Yeah. Okay. Because she's on some committees too. I think you can appoint her. She just can't talk. Or she can't vote on anything. Yeah. Well, we'll just, we'll just do a blanket one. My guess is that. So public comment. Great. So the consent agenda. Do I have a motion to approve? Can we just, can we just pull the bond capital plan bid? Yep. Just for the sake of getting an overview on the scope. And I don't anticipate that will take very long, but yeah, I don't know. I prefer you, but maybe just pull that in after the learning process right there since I'll be here. So that's, so that's my motion. Just to pull that. So consent agenda with that. That I don't. I know that we approve the consent agenda with the exception of the approval of bonding capital plan bid. Second. Second. All is it there? Hi. Any opposed? Okay. And then Andrew, you want to? The other Andrew is probably the first person to answer those. Okay. Sure. Sure. So the first thing we can go over is the actual approval of the bids. We had three bidders. Space construction, Russell construction and EF wall. You'll notice that we have pretty good bid results and tight, which is always encouraging on a set of drawings. You'll also notice that we did not go with the low bidder. We went because we were within 1% of the results. We had by statute the ability to pick between two contractors. In the end, we went with EF wall for one primary reason in that as we, when we put together the bid documents, we had a base bid scope, which we'll go over. And then we had alternates. They were fundamentally at alternates. We had a couple of delete alternates that were kind of by doomsday. If the bids were way over budget, we could at least take that deduct, get the project rolling and try to figure things out. We didn't want to be in the position we were with the playground last year trying to figure out things on the fly, wasting time, eating up time. But fortunately, the bids came in. We were able to, they were under our target budget. And when we put those ads back in, which I'll discuss in a moment, there's also not only the cost of those ads, but schedule. And EF wall was able to accommodate all our ads without adding any time to our schedule. Our schedule is such that we will begin, haven't had this conversation with the contractors specifically yet, but the bid documents and the expectation is that April break, we're actually going to start ripping and tearing here at the high school. Working down at the auditorium and one of the locker rooms out there. Work through to the start of school and the target is to have substantial completion by the start of school here at my high school. So again, we were within that one percent. It was the schedule that tipped us towards EF wall. So that was our recommendation that we go with EF wall. Sorry, how can we start auditorium work for all state? There is a plan that I need performances that would take place. They've all been adjusted with Keyanna and other folks who usually traditionally will use the auditorium in the spring. We've either moved the schedule up to before April break or moved them down to UES to do performances down there for other accommodations. We have taken a former storage room and made a temporary locker room here at the high school. So that's how we're going to be able to pay out one of the locker rooms. And again, that's our planning on paper. Once we sit down with the contractor, they'll have better suggestions as to how we would attempt this. What's the time frame to actually get it done? Again, substantial completion by the start of school. I can guarantee you that we're not going to turn the key on the start of school and there's not going to be a contractor wandering through. But the goal is that we can use locker rooms as locker rooms. We can use wait rooms as wait rooms. I can guarantee you that they're not going to leave here on the third week of August and we're not going to see another contractor here if we will. But use the spaces as intended. That's the goal. So with regards to this, any questions on the bid? The bid results and why we ended up with it. That was our recommendation on that. With regards to the scoping of the projects, let's start at UES. UES, we were very fortunate. On all of our projects, we've kept about a 10% contingency on construction. We were fortunate at UES that through all the demo, which is always the scariest part of construction, we didn't run into any big issues out there. So we still have a pretty good chunk of contingency left to be spent out there. We're more comfortable about saying, okay, we can actually afford to do some of these things that we pulled back to get that bid in line. Right now, our Landscape Architect SE Group is working with ECI on putting features back into the playground. In another few weeks, we will have a better plan that we can actually... I've got some plans in my office, but I don't want to show them to you until we know, yes, we can afford that, yes, we can afford that. But it's looking much more to someone who hasn't been involved with the project intimately. It's going to look like what was promised, and that's the goal here. We may have tweaked the thing here or there, but the amphitheater will be in the project, the lower playground will have equipment, and it will be closer to what the expectation is. As well as taking into account that we will have areas that if next year, if we aren't able to afford every piece of equipment that we want, that will have the space allocated that we can get that there and we can end up where we intended. Here at the High School, the general scope of the project here at the High School is the auditorium, which includes improvements to the sound and lighting systems. We were able to afford, or I shouldn't say we, you in the public, was able to afford upholstering of all the seats, refinishing the ceiling, windows, draperies, some curtains, and a new control board for the audio at the back of the stage for sound and lights. That was great. New public restrooms in the lobby by the gym. A weight room, which is currently upstairs back behind the basketball court, is now going to be on the ground floor for accessibility in the back corner with additional windows. You can actually look outside and see whether it's raining or snowing or what, with actually a window from the gym into the weight room so you can see people are in there and that you've got this great new feature. And then two new locker rooms with support space for coaches and referees. We also have a new training room that will be going in on the backside of the basketball court. At Union, the interior work at Union, we're finishing up the vestibule now. Down there, there's a new elevator that's going in. Renovation of the last two game bathrooms. Down there and a new fire alarm system and electrical work feeding from the panels to some panels, which is going to be a great asset down there. Also, we bundled into this, much to Grant's chagrin, was we crossed the streams of funding. We included in this bid number here the work at the capital work at Main Street Middle School, which includes two new restrooms, game restrooms down there on the, down by the gym and up on the third floor. Again, those are different funding, but for the economies of bidding and we bundled into this bid and Grant will do his work from there. New here at the high school, some mechanical work, air handlers. We're going to use the same system, silicone coating system we used on the roof membrane this summer here over on that, over the gym and auditorium here at the high school. The system seems to be working well. Does that mean the whole roof is done now? It is, but it's a coating system. It's not a new membrane. So, it was a system that was endorsed before I got here and the best way would have been to strip it all down, all the insulation off and put a whole new membrane and all that. This coating system of existing membranes is something that's become invoked more widely acceptable in the last several years. The idea of taking a membrane that is generally in good shape to tear it all off, lay on the fillet when you can actually roll on coatings that use the existing as a substrate. It's gained popularity. Northern New England and New England were generally the last to get on board with those types of things, but it's becoming more acceptable around here. I would not have the expectation that this is a 25-year-old roof. I think you've probably gotten 15-40 years out of these roofs. Do you have any idea what the cost differential is? Oh, that's a lot. Probably four times as much, especially here where the roof deck, we weren't able to fasten into it. So, we truly would have had to take all the insulation off of our roofs and adhere the insulation because we can't mechanically fasten it. So, it was a huge savings. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but multiples of what a new system would call it. Is there still going to be the new classroom space that's part of this? The high school work, the new classroom, the arts. Yes, in the green room. Yes, there's a new classroom space green room on the backside of the auditorium. We're hoping, and again, these numbers came in. We worked really hard with the administration and the faculty who use these spaces and what their needs are. We really worked together to focus in on what the most important things were and what the biggest bang for the buck was. And our hope is, just like we did with the playground, we're going to be conservative now such that when we get done, when we know we've got all those basics covered, that we'll have a little bit of leeway to sort of add some things back in. I'll say, I'd love to put a little bit of money into that lobby. People are going to be coming in to spruce up that lobby for as modest as we can to really make the experience great.  But let's make sure we get those nice spaces the way we want before we start worrying about those things. So everyone knows I participated. I represented the board on the auditorium committee and at least it represented us on the wellness gymnasium side of things. Do you have any more questions? What does the board think about, and it could be, it might even make sense to do it in the fall once these projects are done, but then we're going to have more capital projects and create a capital fund to deal with. What do people think about a walkthrough of the Montpelier buildings one afternoon to look at the work that's been done because we're making decisions on these things regularly and although we're not making decisions based on the aesthetics and based on our anecdotal experiences, I think it is helpful to see it. And even those of us who do have kids in the schools, they're only in certain schools, so we don't see everything. I think it could be helpful to see, well, have Andrew walk us through and say, well, these are our needs here, here, and here. These are examples of them. And this is what we've done here, here, and here kind of thing. We did have a walkthrough of the high school stuff, and it was helpful. So it would be nice to have one after it's done. Libby and I have discussed this, and I was probably a little bit more ambitious than I should have been, but I would like to, in the near future, whatever that means, I would like to give you guys an annual report of your facilities, where they stand, what they're, and in a format such that it's not reinventing the wheel every year, it's updating the information because... So we could plan ahead, what a novel idea. That'd be awesome. Thank you for your work on this. But let's get the things built first. I'm slowly shipping away on it, but I don't want to make any promises quite yet until Libby tells me I want to make that promise. Well, let me know how to talk about it. Maybe... But the walkthrough, I think, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you think maybe, like, later in the spring, when some stuff is happening? Whenever you guys would like to do it. Like playground falls and... Or in the fall when it's done. In the fall when it's done. Yeah, because we may have an opportunity in the fall to make decisions about spare funds. Timing once, none of this stuff is going away. So the issues aren't going to change. So the more time you have to think about them and try to prioritize those pieces. And having a walkthrough with Andrew, it's a different experience because he's so knowledgeable about buildings. So you see it through different ones. And then Libby went through with the fire marshal. Fire marshal is the chief. Fire chief. And police chief. No, I was not mad. Tony's going to be showing us for that one. Yeah, absolutely. I'd be happy to. I'd be happy to. Okay, well, we'll make sure that happens. Maybe we're going to spring in the fall. Any further discussion on that? Or can we have a motion to... approve the approval? I'd move it to approve the award of the contract EFWALT. Thanks. All's in favor? Aye. Next we have, and let's see, Michelle. So Michelle had her to talk about land. Just kind of a note to the board. You might want to, this is, and there's a link to my work. Maybe send it to us on some social media. Yeah, it's from the website. To show. So they can view this, because they want the information on what's going to happen to some questions that we don't have. So... we wanted to invite Michelle down here, and I'll let Michelle introduce herself. Last time we talked, we kind of just gave a little review of where we were and kind of what we were trying to do. From there, we started to develop a strategy to deal with until the legislature comes up with more specifics, specifics that we can follow. We wanted to come up with a strategy that we could communicate with the public as to what we're doing to reduce lead exposure to students. And we thought it would be a great idea to share this with you guys, so as you were saying, you could share it with the public. And Michelle could answer any specific questions that you had, or general questions about where we are within the states and schools, as well as what we're doing here. So I'll let Michelle introduce herself. Sure. So I'm Michelle Thompson. I'm the public health industrial hygienist with the health department. And one of my capacities is environmental health, environmental health work with schools. So I've been helping here with the Montpelier after the school district and their efforts to do the lead and drinking water testing. And the radon testing. So, Michelle, why don't you give a little sort of lead in drinking water and sort of where standards are and just to give us a context of where we are in this state and sort of in this flux from 15 parts per billion down to one, does that now potentially agree with the state to serve? Sure. So lead in drinking water is regulated in a couple different ways depending on your building and who served and how many students are served and whether it's a municipal water source or a well. So schools that are on their own well and serve 25 or more people, they're required to do some lead testing as part of the lead and copper rule, which the Department of Environmental Conservation regulates. And municipal water systems are required to do some testing for the same rule. But again, it's just a portion of TAPS and schools that are on a municipal water system aren't being tested inside the school because the lead and copper rule requires testing at residences. So they're doing the testing in residential settings and not in central. The action level that they use for those public water systems is 15 parts per billion. It's not a health-based level. It's based on treatment effectiveness and based on economic feasibility. So that's the level that they use. They require action to be taken for any TAPS that are above 15 parts per billion. The American Academy of Pediatric and the Health Department, we have a health advisory level of one part per billion. So we would recommend that TAPS not exceed one part per million and that is a health protective value because there is no safe level of lead in the body. And so as low as you can get it is what's recommended. And the reason it's not zero is because labs have different reporting limits and the Health Department labs reporting limit is one part per billion. So basically we're saying we recommend being as low as a lab is going to report to you. They won't report anything less than one. So we... Stop me one. So we got into this from a parent who had asked us about if we had done any lead testing and I said no in the last libyan. He said let's do it. So we did and 150 test results later. And the states coming out with their own soon, their own rules and regulations on this is probably within the next... Probably this year. That's the guess. They've got things written but whether it's going to be implemented or not because there's still a lot to do. So we went through and as I said we've tested about 150 tests and in conversations with you and the public and Libby and myself we came to the conclusion that barring having the state tell us giving us the guidance that we're talking with Michelle that really our best bet is let's go to the one part per billion or less and the best place to do that after doing our testing is direct people to filtered bottle stations which we have throughout the buildings and that's what we have done. So every sink that potentially... Every sink has a sign of it that says one of a couple of things. Use the bottle fill stations. That's in all the classrooms. All the classrooms since they have those signs. We... You know, they're signs. They're laminated signs. So I've talked with the custodial staff and said hey, if you need more, if they're not there, make sure you let us know and we'll get them up. But trying to set a culture of sending the kids to the drinking gardens. In kitchens, we have... I either tested and know that they're down to the one part per billion or less. We've put a no restriction sign up. If we've got a fixture that is a little higher at the initial draw, but is fine in the flush, we've got a purge for 30 seconds sign or we've got a... Did I say no restrictions? No restrictions or a purge. So that's where we are with kitchens. In home ec rooms, we've put filters on all the home ec rooms. NSF? NSF rated filters on all the taps. Figuring you're not going to take your pot of water down to the sink, down to the bubbler to get water. And we've done that for all the nurses' offices as well. Except Roxbury where they tested it below the limit. So that's generally where we are. What we've done is we've come up with this strategy. This is a work in progress and until the state comes out with something a little more specific, this is what we are doing as a district. So we're drafting all students and faculty to use and visitors to use the bottle fill stations. Any fixture that's above 15 part per billion we immediately took out of service. I'll show the numbers here in a moment. Any fixture that's redundant on the old unfiltered drinking fountain that's 10 feet away from a new bottle fill station, we've taken out of service. An old sink that's in a closet and you'd be amazed at how many sinks there are in bozzits in this district.  Again, we've installed filters at all the nurses' offices, installed filters at all the student cooking facilities in the kitchens. Again, we have made sure that all those have the appropriate sign as to what they can use. Ideally we'd like to have the kitchens, no restrictions. And we are working towards that. We have been talking a little bit about that sort of remediation steps that we've been taking. Most all sinks we're going to implement a strategy of any fixture that is tested above one part per billion that we've taken out of use for drinking. We are going to start replacing those fixtures and valves. The fixture I've landed in which our testing kind of indicates that our any fixture that is a problem is because of the fixture, not the pipes within the building. But we got to go down to the valves, which means we have to shut off the water in the building. Even in this building, that's a nerve-wracking thing to do. So we haven't done that to mess or mainstream because you don't mess with the plumbing when the kids are there because the valves don't get exercised. You turn them once, we have big trouble. So we're being a little bit cautious there on those. But they're on the schedule the appropriate time to replace those fixtures. We're going to continue testing as needed and work with Michelle. We're going to continue to communicate our strategy and our goals with parents. We've got a web page which I'm going to show you guys so you can communicate out to folks where we're putting all this information so folks can find it. And then the last piece is going to be, as I say, once the state comes up with their regulations we will follow those as a minimum. The state it appears is going to have a three-part per billion limit for drinking water. So that will be a further discussion. We're going to stick with the one for now. And the one piece that is a little bit that we talked with Michelle about was you do it for washing dishes and washing your hands. And so we kind of early on made that compromise that we really, you got to have water. Especially in the elementary schools the kids need to be able to wash their hands. So that's why we decided to leave those things active. And that's where the signage comes into play and just changing the culture around where people are used to drinking from. So it gets in the teacher's mindset that we're not using this for drinking cooking, we're only using this for hand washing and then that just becomes the problem. And it's being on the front edge here, it's scary that we're putting up signs telling her users that the water is poisoned. It's within the limits of what's allowable. So I think after a year or two or a couple years of doing this it's going to be we're not going to be the only building so any public building you go into is going to have signage like that. It's going to direct you to the drinking office. So what we've done is we've got any questions? Sorry, you guys are doing amazing with this complex situation. But my, what I wonder is that the public water supply only has to meet 15 parts per billion standard. So how can we be held to a lower standard? If, if, do we know what the incoming water lead level is? What would you say by our flush test? Your flush test might be a little bit too short. 30 seconds probably doesn't get you outside of the building. But you can certainly check in with the water, whatever the water district is and see what their results are showing. When we did a pilot last school year with 16 schools we did a 10 minute flush. We didn't answer that question and we didn't find any detection in any of those two flush samples. They were all down less than one. They were all less than one. And that maybe is not a good generalization across the state. But what we saw was that the water being supplied typically is okay. Is the fact that some of our taps are one that most are below one is a good indication of the quality of Montpelier's water. But I just think we need to bear in mind that we don't know the level of the incoming water. And it seems like a lot to ask to fix that problem if there is one. Is there any way for incoming water to shed as well? As it comes out of most of our fountains for example are less than one part per billion. Is there any way that the water supply coming in could be greater than that in terms of lead content? Typically what happens is the water comes in and lead gets into the water through contact with the pipes and fixtures and solder. So it's actually the water is acquiring lead as it moves through not necessarily drops except at points where it drops sediment out of it. Yeah. Since the signage is so important can we assume that all the signages age appropriate in each of the buildings? They do have pictures which was one of the things that the health department was pretty big on making sure it was included in the signage because obviously it's just words in a classroom where there's pre-K for young kids that that would be helpful. So there's pictures of like a water bottle with the do not the no sign. The one sign I didn't bring. I can go get the one I've got. Right away. Bathroom across the hall? Yeah. There's similar ones. There's a water bottle. There's a cup. Yes. Hand washing. And I agree that one of the things I think we should do next year is we do need to go away I think we should go away from the laminated sign. I think we need to get a plaque or something that's fastened to the cabinets or the walls or something that we know is going to stay. I wonder if we can color some of the ones at the elementary school level. And that was certainly a concern that parents brought to us. You're asking the kids to make that decision of what's right and what's, you know, is this okay for me? So absolutely. Actually, once they're accustomed to it you know, this time around so the teachers need to say no, you fill up your water bottle there and then they'll do it automatically. I mean, in terms of actually you just obviously can't have good data on this but kind of anecdotally it seems like the places where you're asking people to fill up water most of the drinking was occurring from prior to are some of the things that had bubbles below one frequently used for drinking or consumption. Yeah. The biggest issue in the shelf and I'll speak to this in more detail the biggest issues we had were the faucets that were put in either in the late 80s early 90s when the dead lawns were sort of coming in but not quite and it depends on the bubblers so down at Rocksbury they had sinks that had bubblers on a little side bubblers. Well, the way that's configured is the water sits in the bubbler and the packing is a little bit different so the bubbler tested high but the fixture didn't so on the same sink you got two different readings. So right now the highest priority will be and once we can get control of the building and I would love to be able to say hey we can do this tomorrow but we can't mess with the water system we shouldn't mess with the water system not UES UES is about four sinks at UES that were part of the later edition part of that 90 late 80s 90 edition there's one sink at Rocksbury and again you can't really tell because the sinks at Rocksbury were all installed basically at the same time and four out of five of them are perfectly, are within the limits and there's one that's not why that one isn't who knows so on the district web well no I was just going to say it's a recent thing water bottles so before that we had drinking fountains people went to drinking fountains when water bottles came in then you you know stuck them under any faucet that worked there was a change and that's been relatively recent what is your plan for retesting to check so on the district web page if you go to the folks you can direct folks who have questions the central office page under facilities we have posted this is a little different than I used to so bear with me so we have a couple sections in here you're going to see more and more information as it goes through because we're going to have our lead information here we're going to have asbestos notifications this is going to be the clearinghouse for information but under right immediately you have all the correspondence and presentations that we've done to date for lead and we as well as have our strategy for the handout I just gave you so if the public has any questions about what we're doing and how we're doing it they can come here what we've also put on here is we have got a live spreadsheet where folks can go in and look at the results for all the different schools and where we are with them so as we go through we are dating this is really tough so the room name the room number the location if it's this is the home bedroom at Family Consumer Science at Main Street Middle School go back to the picture of the old guy you know we've got Southwest corner we've got one in Southwest corner we've got these different and so what we have here is we have the date that the test was taken so we have our first draw the date of the first draw we have our flush test and the results so we can see here this was the drinking fountain we tested fine we don't need to test again again I think the state may tell us what cycle we may want to test on that hasn't been determined yet no it hasn't been determined yet so here I'm just going to pull this out this is a sink in the Family Consumer Science classroom so we first tested on November 2nd our first draw was 3 parts per billion our flush was less than 1 part per billion on the 7th on the January 4th after having these discussions of where we are at this time we were still thinking the 15 parts per billion weren't in good shape on the 7th we took that fixture offline we shut it down because it was above the 1 we actually on this fixture we actually took the screen the filter the aerator out of the fixture we retested it and it came down to 2 parts per billion so these remediation steps are you know you kind of take the easy you do the easy fixed first this is where we start replacing fixtures and valves we took the aerator got it down to 1 part per billion on the 17th when we got those results back we decided that we're going to put filters on all the Family Consumer Science fixtures so we installed that we have not retested that that is we've installed an NSF approved filter that has a monitor on it that will blink when it says the filter needs to be changed the custodial staff has loaded them up with a bunch of spare filters so that fixture hasn't been reused valve mark a few grand we've got about the test kits themselves are $12 a piece so that's like if you're taking one first draw sample it's $12 if you're taking a flush sample at the same tap it would be $24 so we, so yeah so it's like $1800 in testing the time to run them up and then the remediation work we've placed a bunch of fixtures we've had the plumber come in and redo the plumbing supply lines back to kind of it was kind of cobbled together at the high school but we brought that back so $3,000 to $5,000 for a school it didn't have a huge amount of problems for a district for a small district so what's the stick with that so far this is how we've been doing this is sort of letting folks know when we're doing stuff what the results are, what our next stop is and then like this this fountain, the East Drinking Fountain in the lower level corridor it was all that was redundant we took it out of service questions specifically about the middle school I've been hearing that there's not ready access to a drinking fountain in the gym or by the gym anymore that one's they've ordered a new one ordered a new one so let's just so that's where the information folks have questions everything we're doing when we're doing it and what the step is the state will have its own reporting matrix here soon enough so if we go through the district I went through keeping in mind that we still are directing everyone to to the bottle fill stations if we if the state came and said three parts per billion and you decided we as a community we have the decision makers are going to say three parts per billion we can live with that that's what we're going to do with the district at Roxbury that constitutes two fixtures that we need to get in there and replace and again we're fortunate in that the first draw so here's a good example this was a classroom one of the classrooms that we tested the bubbler came in at nine we took it offline we had the bubbler we retested we tested at the sink this time so we still have we have a high reading at that sink so that's what you need to be taking out probably down to the valve same thing with that one here again once we were down to that one part on the flush that really isn't going to change so we didn't refest flushes if they got the flushes were below the one part per billion we presume that nothing was going to change over the coming weeks so we at least kept with that and there's no sometimes there's no rhyme or reason you know we went from three parts per billion to less than one part per billion that was actually a different sink this was the faucet aspect of that same sink so we got two sinks down at Roxbury that we're going to be replacing and that would get us to that three part per billion throughout the entire school again if that's the standard that's further discussion on that one UES again using that three part got one down there there's there's about three other ones that we want to take care of to get us down to the one part per billion Main Street right now I believe that all of them are below the three again we've got some that were in the high schools so here's another good example of the high school so this sink this was a brand new fixture two parts per billion we went in, we flushed it we took the aerator out of it we retested it two months two months later it was down to the one part per billion but even though it was the one part per billion we said these tests are a snapshot in time it's a cooking, it's used for cooking let's put a filter on it we don't want people guessing so I'm happy to go into more detail with people but I think I'm probably confusing people but the important part is that the information's there and we're dating it and we're heading towards the goals on that piece thank you thanks for coming Michelle the work that you guys are doing is really good you know this is all proactive and we're requiring it but it's really great to see schools taking it seriously and addressing issues the website is fantastic very transparent and Mike Berry was very helpful anytime you make a change in there automatically upstate it is the latest information that we have thank you everyone it's a great thing in terms of a plan to articulate this to the community what what are we thinking there that's on the webpage I'm probably just making the community know that it's there maybe it would help if each of the principles in their letters would note that it's there on the website it's been down in each school a link to the website can we tweet it out too can you tweet away can the district tweet it out that's Mike Berry right thank you very much easy for you to say Rayna Rayna it's on our agenda so we did testing at all four schools for Radon as well we had some unfortunate issues with the lab that we used where samples didn't get analyzed quickly enough so we only have about half of the results for Union Roxbury and Main Street Middle and then we have I don't know just a handful from the high school but what we saw for the results that we do have very Main Street is that Radon levels were down around background levels so Radon levels aren't outdoor here which is perfect so that's really good the few results that we have from the high school are similar there was one room that had a result that was in the area where we would recommend considering doing some follow-up testing but nothing above four pika curies per liter which is the recommended action level for fixing a Radon problem it's definitely worth trying to get the rest of the tests done sometimes in a school it really is just one room that has an issue it's not necessarily building wide so it's good to have a full set of results and we're working on what the best plan is to go about finishing that up so you guys can have a full set of results but what we're seeing so far is looking good and we'll do the same thing we'll work with Mike to make this I think we should make this informational easier for people to find and we'll start breaking these down into subcategories so they can have a Radon testing level but we'll discuss all the reporting stuff that needs to take place thank you and don't be shy about questions or if anyone has any questions Michelle's been fabulously helpful in working and getting us through this so yeah, no we appreciate it it's some important stuff thank you so our third reading of the equity policy is up next Andrew has at least one I do but I think it's resolved now by the clean copy because I was looking at a copy that was like two or three times ago and looking at it at the beginning of this I unfortunately didn't have a chance to look at the clean version before but I did read the dirty version if you will for like the fifth or sixth time and I just want to clarify something but I think that this is clarified seeing it in this format it seems very clear with regard to the assessment under expectations for district administration the language about the district will systematically gather and use data disaggregated by race ethnicity language etc is the intent of that so that we can collect data based on these demographic to ensure that we're meeting our goals within the equity policy is that the aim of that yes, I would say that was the original intention these here it seems clear that that is it and there was something I think there might have been something in an old one I don't know what it was, I don't want to misspeak but there was something that threw me off and made me think that the language was doing the contrary of that and I was concerned that if we didn't have that type of data there wouldn't be a way for us to evaluate and hold ourselves the district accountable with this policy but seeing it clean like this I don't have that same concern anymore so perfect any other questions or thanks again I would say we didn't catch it before it came out this time but there was a slight grammatical change the second paragraph there's one sentence that is an italics that the italics should be removed it students should not bear that burden as italicized totally mine I did not get anything back from these students so I think that they were in their best written they were really busy they went out of fever double so it can be worn for adoption great no except great job thank you thank you students I'm really glad the students were in the academic year they're not on the same cycle so they're just not here today I thought they started in the fall we used to be able to find bits of it and disperse to other policies but it makes a better statement so what it means to be able to approve this and then it waits 10 days and then we we don't have to we don't have to take a vote now we seem to have consensus that we will approve it next time so we need to be warned should it be on the consent agenda or do we just yeah I'm going to vote on the consent agenda so next item is executive session for the evaluation of personnel there's no negotiation yeah I feel like we should probably put updates on 5 minutes of negotiation oh you know there's one other item I want to add with the change to the way the healthcare is bargained there's been a deal worked out where every school district or SU district gets a vote through the SBA to approve the deal so we need a rep as part of that so we need a SBA rep to monitor the talks and figure out what's going on and then vote whether or not we want to approve that statewide healthcare agreement it's not just a floor we have to send someone from our board we can't just yeah every SU and school district gets one vote we get one vote to decide how the BSBA votes I think so we're ratifying whatever we're voting to tell them how to vote so do you have any clarity on what that means does that mean as Andrew was just saying show up at one meeting and have monitored ahead of time or does this show up for 50 meetings along the way under the process approved at the 2018 BSBA annual meeting each SU has the ability to cast one vote to ratify the agreement reached by the state healthcare bargaining commission so so it's instructing this board please be sure to add appointment of the SD's to get for statewide health insurance to the first meeting of your SD board as the ratification process requires each SD to notify the BSBA the name, telephone number and email address of its voting delegate by April 1st if the commission enters into an agreement the BSBA will host an informational webinar for the voting delegates within 10 calendar days after execution of the agreement within 10 calendar days after the informational webinar the BSBA shall conduct an electronic ballot so it sounds like it's pretty it sounds like it can be a pretty light lift it's like they make an agreement we watch a webinar and then you electronically close and is it and is it passed if the majority of people vote yes what's the voting process sounds like my guess is that that is probably you can probably obtain that information we don't have it right now but we will also I would assume have to have a board meeting after the webinar between the webinar and the vote that was my question and he's decided to read it I wouldn't feel comfortable with that he's a representative of the board I think he has to come tell us what he learned in the webinar and then we vote we could do an ad hoc web based meeting we could all meet somewhere and watch the webinar you never know you don't know the timeline on this should we have an alternate just like say for example we can just cross that bridge when we come to but say for example it happened to come when they're coming away or something like that I don't have any big if you're not going to be there you can let us know I think the important thing right now is getting the contact information to the BSBA before the April 1 deadline to this meeting I'll do it as the other board member on the negotiations committee who isn't a parliamentarian and isn't on a third committee I move that the board appoint Angie S.R. voting delegate for the BSBA healthcare application I'll second that I'll second favor I'm your post thanks Andrew you're welcome now in the second session and so you want us to add negotiations so we need a motion to enter an executive session to discuss I move that we find that discussing negotiations in public would put the district a substantial difference I move that we go into executive session for the purpose of discussing contact negotiations and evaluation of personnel second I I I I I I I I


It's my feeling that the four years that I was here was unlike any other four years in American history to the point that I think it was CNN or public television did a documentary about the year 1968. They postulated that probably no 12 months in American history changed the social fabric, changed the country as much and perhaps the world as 1968. My class entered 1966. What life was like was pretty much like the 1950s. What the American dream was, leave it to beaver, kind of a stay-at-home mom, a working dad, the nuclear family as it was called.  I remember, I think it was Friday night dinner on the university meal plan at Donner Hall. You had to dress up, but one night a week it was like dress up. People had short hair. The music was AM Radio, and it was whatever the playlist was by the program director. That's what you heard. That's what you were introduced to. That's where you listened to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. That's when they said, here's a new act, Herman's Hermits or something. So this is what life was as we entered campus in 1966. Most of the students here were in science or engineering. As I said before, you know, that short hair, they literally had slide rolls hooked to their belts. They literally had pocket protectors. The drama students were mostly in black.  The fraternities were mainly the course, any social life. Carnival was a Greek activity. Buggy was a Greek activity. We graduated in the spring of 1970. The world was upside down. Student life on colleges was upside down. It was Kent State, you know, four students being shot by National Guardsmen. Families were ripped apart. What we see today about, you know, one political bread versus blue, there were great parallels then, but it all stemmed from the Vietnam War. From 1966 to 1970, besides the anti-war feeling that came in the United States and college campuses, was also the advent of women's liberation. That came to the forefront. Also the fact that civil rights had been growing and building. In 1968 was the year that Martin Luther King was killed. Robert F. Kennedy was killed. Russia invaded Czechoslovakia. France was students riding all over the place. So you had anti-war sentiment. You had women's liberation. You had civil rights, I'm probably forgetting one or two others, all now in the front of everybody.  But then you also had the sentiment that had come out just before called, don't trust anybody over 30. So you had ageism coming in. And yet students going home to their families and to division in the family was horrible. You know, mothers and fathers saying, what are you doing? You have to support the president. You have to support this and that. And students seeing a whole different world, a different life on campus. Before this was the summer of love. It was, you know, hate asperger, hippies, flowers, putting in the soldiers' gun barrels, the famous pictures and stuff like that. Everybody should live in harmony and peace and love. And in 12 months it flipped completely opposite. There was no more peace and love. The music got harder edged. You had Led Zeppelin came in in the late 69, early 70s. So this is all the backdrop of what was going on on campus. The idea was to send waves and waves of American bombers, B-52s and whatnot, loaded to the gills, thousands of planes. And they would literally lay down a carpet of bombs over in North Vietnam. And then they wanted to Cambodia secretly, but then that came out. It was indiscriminate. It wasn't about bombing factories or military installations. It was about bombing humans, people. And it was just laying down a carpet of mass destruction and death. And the United States kept this up. And now the TV networks, which was again only three, started to show more and more footage of this. They started sending correspondence over to report back, Walter Cronkite and whatnot. And it changed the correspondence view of the war. And their tone, even though it was supposed to be objective, was getting more and more. This is wrong. This war is wrong. Showing the burned bodies, the babies being killed and whatnot. So in Congress and Senate, there still had hawks and dogs. More hawks because there are a lot of old white guys. My vision of the activities board is we would tell all sides of the story. So we had a lot of anti-war people come on campus and speak. But the most prominent hawk in the Senate was Senator Strom Thurman. And he was a proponent of carpet bombing. So in our wisdom, we decided to bring Strom Thurman to campus to speak to give that side of the story. It was the old student ballroom. They called it a ballroom. It was just a big open space in the old building. I think it sat maybe 400 or so. There was a U.S. senator coming to Pittsburgh. So back then, there were two newspapers in Pittsburgh. The Morning Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Evening Pittsburgh Press. They sent reporters and photographers. There was no video then. So the word spread. Strom Thurman was coming to speak. So he came and he started speaking to talk about why it's important that we're in Vietnam, why carpet bombing is important. I look back and I smile because even then it was comical.  And our radical element was really a bunch of art students, more than anything, but passionate. Well, during his speech, and I'm not sure what triggered it, but the one fellow who, his name is Kasebue, and I think he was the editor of the yearbook in 1970, he and a bunch of students stand up and they start throwing marshmallows on the stage. Because again, it was a small room, so they could easily reach Strom Thurman. They started pummeling with marshmallows. I'm up sitting on stage with him. And their cry was, don't worry Strom, they're not bombs. If I look back, I think it was a brilliant protest because it spoke to what the issue was. Aren't you feeling threatened but to just marshmallows imagine all the people being bombed? And it bothers me that if you Google this thing today, people don't understand, they don't report that this is why it was. It was about the carpet bombing, but that's what it was. Well, as this is happening, his office calls because Hubert Humphrey was the big liberal in the Senate and he was trying to get past the bill on health and welfare. I forget what it was. But it was basically spending to help poor people or something like that, which Strom Thurman hated. So they put that word to the office of student activities that he had to call his office right away.  Because nobody actually got the picture of the marshmallows flying. It was too sudden and it was short. So somebody comes in and says he has to call his office. So Bob McCurdy then takes him to his office, which wasn't very private. And he's calling and they say, you've got to get back to Washington to fill a bus through this vote. There was all this mayhem and people coming in and out, reporters and whatnot. And he asked me, his son is there someplace more private I could talk. So I got a small office downstairs. It was literally a desk, a door.  So we go down and he has this little book and he's leafing through the book and he's using my phone and he's dialing the head of U.S. Steel, the head of Gulf Oil, Howard Valkor, Allegheny Ludlam, J&L. And he's looking for transportation back to Washington. MemoryServe, I think it was Allegheny Ludlam, but I'm not sure. So finally I said, yeah, we'll send you down to Washington on the corporate plane. The pictures get picked up by the wire services. At actually Time Magazine published the picture as well with an article about it. Some reason my name was given out as the head of this organization is if we were the organization that wanted to humiliate him. And letters are coming in, addressed to me because my name was out there.   You don't deserve to be in college. Nothing's supporting it because it wasn't really reported that students were protesting the corporate bombing. It was internationally famous for a brief moment. Well, after I left Pittsburgh and went back and started my other life in business, I was at the old Charlotte airport, which is small. I was at the gate waiting for my flight and there was this big entourage coming down the hall. I could see everybody was all about somebody famous, you know, as if it was Elvis Presley or The Beatles or somebody. And I recognized that it's Strom Thurman coming down and he had one assistant with him that they're all talking to him and he was like a rock star. Back then there was no selfies and people didn't really ask for autographs. They just wanted to be near him. It's south, so it's like his home turf. I don't know what possessed me, but I stood up and I started walking toward him right in the middle of the hallway so he would literally hit me. And he stopped in front of me and I said, Senator, you may not remember me, but we've met in the past. He said, how do I know your son? And I said, I was at Carnegie Mellon. I was the student that brought you to campus for the marshmallow thing. He said, were you the student that helped me? Were you the young man that helped me that day? I said, yes, I was. He said, well, come over here, boy. And he sits me down by the gate. Now, there's a whole crowd of people around listening to us. And he goes, how are you? How's your family? How the family? Tell me about your family. The man never met me, but this is the way they did things back then. So we chatted about this and that. What are you doing now, son? He said, well, you come to Washington, you come and we'll go out to dinner. We'll have a good time. I had no intention of doing that. So that was my Strom Thurmond story. I put Carnegie Mellon in the news internationally.


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Welcome everyone. We'll have a talk by Claudia about Python and Rock'n'roll. Please welcome Claudia. Thank you everybody for coming. My name is Claudia. I am working as a data scientist at Kerminal Analytics. You can find me on Twitter as Claudia Girau. By the way we are hiding so in case you are interested in joining us, please contact me after. Well, I am talking today about a personal project. It is a ball where data science and rock music and Python joins. It is mainly about satisfying my curiosity. I am a rocker, I love rock music and I was asking myself if I could do something to know more about a passion. Because of I know some of you were yesterday at party and laughing and rocking. I will reference some good talks and excellence speakers during this week. They explained very good better than me. NLP, database and some music talks. And also in case you missed the keynote of today, you should take a look after because Gail explained my topic so much better than I could do. So please review it and it is quite interesting. So the main development stages were these four, data graving and storage, data processing and turn frequency, clustering and topic modelling and the future steps. First one is data graving. As I said it is about rock, about lyrics and NLP and there are two ways to get the data. Life is scrapping, go to concert, have fun and another way faster but less fun is web scrapping. All the data set were scrapped from MLDB using request and beautiful soup but in case you are going to make this massively you should take a look to scrappy. Use for my convenience I storage all the data in MongoDB. This is me working hard for this talk in the party's mid concert and I have to make two disclaimer. The first one is the all groups were selected considering my personal preferences in case you want to add another one, contact me and I will do it. And the second one is a legal disclaimer. Lyrics has copyright so manage with care. I cannot publicly share the data set, maybe some engrams but it is illegal stuff. Well this is more or less how it looks like in its raw version. I have the group, the album, the song, the website and also the raw lyrics. I have scrapped more than 7000 songs from more than 50 groups. In case you are not used to work with MongoDB it is only a group by query, by group. So we have the top ten groups spray or the more productive groups by the number of songs. And I have a nice snake with the frequency of it. Well next step is the data processing. We have to clean the lyrics and avoid the meaningless words, avoid the punctuation. And if you take a look I have to add to the regular stoppers, the stopper in music. It is full of that kind of stuff and I have to clean it. Perhaps I forgot someone. Also we have the English contractions. And what I have done is process the raw lyrics and storage in another collection. It is called cool group process. Well, once I have the cleaners that said what I have done is start satisfying my curiosity. The first thing I did was compare the my corpus, the lyrics, the songs with the brown corpus. In case you don't know what it is, it is a collection of documents done in the 60s. And it is compiled with different fields of documents. Unfortunately it doesn't contain lyrics. So it's regular. So what I did is to take into account the term frequency in my lyrics and the term frequency in the brown corpus and with the previously formula get the rockness index. And not surprisingly, those are the ten most rocking words. Hey, goodbye, baby, tonight. So everything is going okay. And those are the rocking words. However, general, schools, military. I still want to play with term frequency. And if you consider the full corpus, I'm sorry. If you consider the full corpus, the most frequent word is love. And once again, if you plot it, and if you plot it from my favorite groups, maybe, love is one of the most in queen, is one of the most frequent in the Beatles, also in David Bowie. But not in Urbana. Another question came to my mind after this analysis, half of lyrics and extensive vocabulary. What I did is take into account the length of the unique words in each group. And considering grouping by the band, the most rich lyrics group is Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. And the last ones, Motorhead, ACDC. So I did the same by grouping by song and considering the mean. And you have that surprisingly range against the machine has an average of 93 words by song. It is rare. But considering that Bob Dylan and Patty Smith are almost petitions, it is not a strange that they have more than the average words per song. And on the flops we have Radiohead, because they don't have so much lyrics. Nirvana and the Beatles, they shown fun, but they didn't actually use so much words. Last question was, is rock about sex and drugs? Hmm. If we ask about songs with love, kiss and sex in each lyrics, we have 1,700 more than 1,700 songs. It is almost the 20% of the songs are talking about love. But if we ask the same about drugs, only 24 songs are talking about or half there were drugs in it. So I prefer to change that sentence by this one, peace, love and rock. By this point we already know that grouping by band only let us a few documents. Rock has not an extensive vocabulary, what disappoint me a bit. And also we have the intuition that rock songs are always talking about the same. The same words, there are not so much difference between groups and not so much difference between song. However, I didn't surrender and I tried to make some more sophisticated techniques. And I prepared my dataset, this is what Gail explained this morning. I actually tokenized and stemmed the words, get the data, prepare it. And as I said, we have only 100,000 or more than 100,000 words in our vocabulary. That is a small vocabulary. And what we do next is the 10th frequency inverse document frequency algorithm. It is classical definitions by formulas, but what we have to take into account is that these algorithms allows us to get the most relevant words in our songs or groups in this case. We do the feature extraction with cycle lem. I'm going so fast because you already have this presentation and I don't have so much time to explain the algorithm. And we already have a matrix with the similarity into the groups and we are ready to cluster in. What I'm going to do is came in. I tried with three clusters, but unfortunately what we have at the algorithm is something like that. Three groups and some words that are not so meaningful. I cannot detail this cluster, I cannot detail also this one. And the groups are not so... If I did it by hand, I didn't put these groups together. But if we take a look at the plot next by... I know it's small but if you can see the closer groups are the more similar and it makes a little bit more sense. We can see clearly any cluster. The main conclusion is by this algorithm we cannot cluster or group our rope bands. It is because, as I said, they are so similar. Once again I didn't surrender, I tried another technique, I did it by hand. And when you plug it, also you cannot see any cluster in the groups. And I was so sad about it. Once again I will try another technique. It is LDA for those who are not into NLP. I will make an easy explanation of that. If you take a look at the algorithm, I will make an easy explanation of that. If you take a look at these five sentences, it is obvious that the first and the second one are talking about food. The third and the fourth are about pets or animals. And the last one is a mix of the previously topics. This is what LDA does. I did the same with my songs not grouping by rock band. And what I get, I did ten topics, model. And what I get looks like that. Once again there is not so much meaning. It is ambiguous and I don't have an answer about topics looking at this. So I move forward and I try another more complicated technique, word to beg. I don't have so much time to explain it, but by approximation what I have after the algorithm is the words closer to one in the corpus. So love, these words are close to love, making love, tender love, true love, avoiding love. And if we try the same with Riot, we have Vebrilla and Cycle and Hooligan, well this is going a little bit better than the previously. By the way, as I promised in my summary, we are going to talk about the BitBoy evolution. I know everyone loves the graphs and the plots and also I. But what I did is take into account the main, the most frequent words in the discography of David Bowie, grouping by album and sorted by the release album, the date of the release. And if you take a look the blue dots are, sorry, the blue dots are love words, and you can see in these albums they are not so frequent, maybe Bowie was sad or not so in love, and in this album he don't speak so much about it, but in this one, never let me down, he repeated this word more than 25 times. As a bonus track, I have the queen evolution, a group actually I love. I did the same but with these four words, love, time, want and know, and I plot it. It's always about love, I stepped in the first two albums, hope you can see it, if not you have, you already have it online, but in the queen and queen too, it's not so much repeated, but in the middle of the discography, they repeated more than 80 times in another room, it's so much. Well, what's next? I did this project in less than one month, it is by pleasure, and I would like to, what I would like to do next is do it massively, scrap more groups and more styles and try to make some clusters that actually works, include some patterns, and my final objective would be made an hybrid recommender system. So of course for this, for get this thing done, I need some help, so feel free to collaborate with me. The notebook will be, you have, and the PDF of this presentation is already online, you could check it. And also thank you for your attention, keep rocking it, see you at Pycones this autumn. Thank you Claudia. So we have time for questions. Hi Claudia, thank you for your talk, it was really amazing. I was wondering, like Palpe in blue, wasn't it, who were together? Ok, so do you think that maybe there's an American and English language affecting like some words maybe are closest, because the dialect could be. Thank you. Probably. Actually there are more British group than American in my corpus, maybe that is affecting my study, but probably they are using the same words. So thank you. Thank you. Are there questions? Hi, thank you for your talk. You said that there are groups for most times very similar. Isn't that because you only took groups you like? Yeah, probably. Well I think 15 groups is not a few, I think it's quite big, but probably they are so similar because I chose it, I like the same groups and I found it through the history. But mainly they are about 80s and probably it is affecting, if I take some more nowadays groups probably it changes. Thank you.  But do you think aggregating a lot of more lyrics and trying to tag manually some of them so you can help the algorithm will help finding more clusters or finding more relationships between words and stuff like that? Well, if I add more lyrics. Yeah, if you add more lyrics and also if you tag manually. Okay, so this song is about love and friendship and whatever. It was really hard to make. Probably it would help to use another classifying algorithm that I'm not using because I don't have a target actually. If I had tags or something like that I could make it. Thank you for the talk. Drugs. Have you thought about euphemisms? I'm thinking drugs and sex are things we don't normally talk and in songs don't express in those words. So I'm not surprised you haven't found a high count of the word drugs. I'm not a native speaker but I'm sure there's suggestions of how we talk about drugs. Have you looked at them? Actually I didn't want to put explicitly so much words in that field in drugs. Probably they are not using explicitly the word drugs also not the chemically substance. So maybe they are using synonyms but I'm not English obviously native so I can... I don't know how put it in the query. Thank you for your attention and thank you Claudia again.


Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering IBM Think 2019, brought to you by IBM. Welcome back to theCUBE here in Moscone North at IBM Think 2019. I'm Stu Minim, my co-host for this segment is Dave Vellante. We have four days of wall-to-wall coverage of this big show. Happy to welcome back to the program. Jason McGee, who is an IBM Fellow and he's the Vice President and CTO of Cloud Platform at IBM. Jason, great to see you. Great to have you, be here. All right, so Jason, we spoke with you at KubeCon. As we were saying, it's a slightly different audience. It's a little bit bigger here. Not as many hoodies and jeans and t-shirts. A little bit more of a business crowd, but we're still talking about clouds. So, let's talk about your role here at the show. What's going to keep you busy all week? Yeah, so obviously cloud is a huge part of what's going on, I think. Talking a lot about both public and private, about hybrid and some of our multi-cloud management capabilities, my role as the leader of Cloud Platform, I'm talking a lot about platform as a service and Kubernetes and containers and Istio and kind of all the new technologies that people are using to help build the next generation of applications. All right, so we've had a few interviews today, already talked about some of the multi-cloud pieces. We had Dan Berg on earlier, talked about Kubernetes, so first you're going to help correct the things that he got wrong. Yeah, anything Dan got wrong off it. And service meshes have been a really hot conversation of the last year or so, Istio, Envoy and the like. Talk to us about where IBM fits into this discussion of service meshes. Yeah, so I think we've been on this kind of journey as an industry over the last few years to build a new app platform. And service meshes kind of fit the part of the problem, which is how does everything talk to each other and how do I actually control that and get visibility into it. IBM has had a founding role in that project. My team at IBM and Google got together with the guys at Lyft to create Istio. What I'm most excited about I think in 2019 is that technology is really transitioning into something people are using in production and their applications. It's becoming more of kind of the default stack that people are using, really helping them do security and visibility and control over their applications. Yeah, one thing that I heard just from the community and wonder if you can tell me is Istio itself, the governance model is still not fully into CNCF. I heard a little bit of hesitancy on some, Envoy of course out there and the like. So where are we, what needs to happen to kind of move that forward? Yeah, you're right. So we're not there quite yet. We're pushing hard to make that happen. Certainly from an IBM perspective, we absolutely believe that CNCF is the right home for Istio. As you mentioned, some of the pieces like Envoy are there already. CNCF has done such a tremendous job over the last 18 months really rallying all the core technologies that make up this new cloud native platform that we're building. And so Istio is out there, it's 1.0, it's mature, people are using it, that last step needs to happen to get it into the community. So I have to ask you, things move so fast in this world. Do you ever go back to the open stack days and that was going to change the world and then Docker and containers and then Kubernetes and Istio, I can't help but thinking, okay, this isn't the end of the line. Jason, what's the underlying trend here that's going on in the coding world? Yeah, sure, I'll put it in maybe in my own lens, given my history, I'm an old web sphere app server guy, that's the first half of my career I built that. And I think the fundamental problem we're solving is actually exactly the same. It's like, how do you build a platform that lets app developers focus on building their apps and not focus on all the plumbing and the infrastructure for running those apps. And we did that 20 years ago in Java with app servers and we're doing it now with cloud and we're doing it on top of containers. Things like Istio, while they're important in their own right, they're really actually more important because they're just part of this bigger puzzle that we're putting together. And I think for the average software developer, they shouldn't really have to care about what part is Istio, what part is Kubernetes and which part is Knative, like all of that needs to come together into a single platform that they can use to build their apps and run them securely, right? And I think Istio is just recognizing that next piece. I think we've all agreed on containers and Kubernetes, we all talk about it all the time and Istio is that next layer, like how do I secure and control things, right? Yeah, so you teed it up nicely because we want app developers just to be able to worry about the application. So you mentioned Knative, the whole serverless trend is one where, the idea, of course, is I shouldn't have to worry about the infrastructure layer, it should just be taking care of me. We've talked about it for Paz for a number of years, there's various ways to do it. So at KubeCon, and we've been looking for about the last year now, where does Kubernetes and serverless, how do they fit together? And Knative looks to be a piece as to how to bridge some of those worlds, so where are we and what's IBM doing there? So I think you rightly say that they should fit together, or like they're all part of this continuum of how developers build apps. And if you look at serverless applications, you know, there's the serverless dimension, I'm personally not a big serverless terminology fan, I think they're more about event-oriented computing and how do you have a good model for event-oriented systems. Today, with Kubernetes and Istio, I think we've built the base platform, I think with Knative, what we're doing is bringing serverless and also just kind of 12-factor applications into the fold in a more formal way. And when we get all those pieces together and we integrate them, I think then developers are really unleashed to just build their application in whatever way makes the most sense for what they're doing. And some things like serverless, event-oriented, it's going to be easier and some problems, straight containers will be an easier way to do it. Yeah. So you say you don't like serverless, you like event-better, a function? Yeah, a function. So explain that to the audience. Like why should we care and why is that different? How is that different? Yeah, I think for a couple of things. First off, the idea of serverless applies much more broadly than just what we think of as kind of function-based programming. You know, like any system that does a good job of managing and masking the infrastructure below me, you could consider a serverless system, right? So when you just say serverless, it's kind of like second hand for functions, I'd rather we just kind of say functions because that's actually a different programming model where you kind of trigger off of events and you write a functional piece of code and the system takes care of those details. You could argue that Cod Foundry is a serverless system in the sense that you just, as a developer anyway, you just CF push your code and it just runs and it scales and it does whatever you need, right? So part of my mission, part of what I look at a lot is how do we bring all these things together in a way that is easy for the developer to stay focused? Istio's a great example. You know, one of the things we're announcing this week is managed Istio support as part of our Kubernetes service. What does that really mean? It means the developer can use the capability of Istio without worrying about how do I install and run Istio, which they don't really care about. They just really care about how they get value out of its capabilities. Yeah, that's one of the things that having watched all these Kubernetes Istio and the like is how many companies really need to understand how to build this and run this because can I just get it delivered to me as a service? And therefore that whole, what do I want out of cloud? I want a simple model to be able to consume not necessarily, I want to build the stuff that's important to me and not the rest of the system. Yeah, and I think if you look at the industry, there's really, I think kind of two dominant consumption models that have actually emerged for people really using these things. There's public cloud platforms who are delivering things as a service. And then there's kind of platform software stacks like OpenShift, like IBM Cloud Private, which take all of these pieces and bring them together. And I think for most developers, they'll consume in one of those two ways because they don't really want the task of how to assemble all these pieces together. To go back to the serverless piece, like one distinction I heard made is, okay, if I can really scale it down to zero if I don't need to manage it, then that can be serverless, but there's alternatives coming out there like what Knative has to, if I want to run this in my own environment, it's not serverless because I do need to, it might be functions, but I need to manage this environment. The infrastructure is my responsibility, not some service provider. Right, and I think if you look at serverless, to me, personally, I always think of it in kind of two scenarios. There's serverless as a programming model and a technology and serverless as a business model. As a consumption model for payment. I think the programming model part is applicable in lots of cases, including private clouds and in cluster. The business model part is, I think, frankly, a unique to public cloud thing that says I can just pay for the milliseconds of CPU compute that I'm using and nothing more. That's a good thing for consumers. It's a good thing for the consumer. It's actually a good thing for cloud providers too because it gives us a way to reuse our infrastructure in creative ways, right? But I think first and foremost, we have to get more adoption of it as a programming model that developers use to build their applications and do it combined with other things because I think most realistic apps aren't going to all be serverless or all be Kubernetes, they're going to be some mix. Yeah, right, it's like everything else. It's what percentage of the applications will this take over? We had this discussion with virtualization. We've been having this discussion with cloud and serverless, of course, is pretty early in that environment. Knative, did I hear there's some announcements this week that IBM's making? Yeah, so Knative obviously as a project is kind of much earlier in its maturation than something like Istio is, but we're making that available as part of our public and private clouds as well. Really, so people can get started with the ideas of Knative, they can have an easy way to get that environment stood up and they can start building those applications. And so that's now something that we're kind of bringing out as we work in the community to actually mature the project itself. Excellent, one of the things everybody's of course keeping an eye on, I saw Arvind Krishnan talking about the cloud strategy is how Red Hat fits into all of this. So we know you can't talk about kind of post acquisition, but Red Hat's involved in Knative, they're involved in a lot of the service ventures. 8 million developers, that's got to be exciting for you. Yeah, it is. And obviously, like, look, we've been partners for many years. You know, on the open source side of things, we've worked closely with Red Hat for a long time. We actually view the world in very similar ways. You know, like you said, we're working on Knative together, we've been working on OpenWist together, we obviously work in Kubernetes together. So personally, I'm pretty excited about them coming into IBM, assuming that acquisition goes through. They, you know, they fit into our strategy really well, and I think they'll just kind of enhance what we've all been working to build. Right. All right, Jason, what else, what should be looking, you talk about the maturity of these solutions, give us some guideposts for the people watching the industry that we should be looking at as 2019 rolls through. Yeah, so I think there's a couple things. You know, I think this unified application platform notion that we've been kind of touching on here, I think will really come into its own in 2019, and I would really love to see people kind of embrace that idea that we don't need three container stacks, we're not trying to build these different things. You know, one of the things I'm kind of excited about with Knative is by bringing serverless and 12-factor into Kubernetes, it allows each of those frameworks to be kind of the best they can be at their part of the problem space, and not solve unrelated problems. You know, I looked at the kind of serverless versus Kube camps. You know, the purists in both think all problems will be solved in their camp, which means they try to solve all problems, like how do I do stateful systems in serverless, and how do I bring in storage and solve all these things that maybe containers is better at? So I think this unification that I see happening will allow us to have really high efficiency, 12-factor and serverless in the context of Kube, and we'll change how people are able to use these platforms. I think 2019 is really about adoption of all of this stuff. You know, we still are really early, frankly, in the kind of container adoption landscape, and I think most people in the broader industry are just kind of getting in their feet wet. They all agree with it, they're all trying, but they're just starting, and you know, there's a lot of interesting work to do together. Jason, are there any, anything that are holding people back? Anything that you, you know, what do you see as some of the things that might help accelerate some of this adoption? Yeah, I think one of the things that's holding people back is just the diversity of options that exists in the cognitive space.  I've never seen so many icons on something, that's really frightening for the average enterprise to look at a picture like that and go like, which of these things are going to be useful, which are going to exist in a year, like how do I bet, make bets on these things? So I think that's actually helped people back a lot. I think the kind of agreement around Kubernetes that happened in the last 18 months or so was really liberating for a lot of people that helped them kind of move forward there. I think if we can all agree on a few more pieces around Istio or around Knative, like it'll really help kind of unlock people and get them trying. Actually doing it, I don't think is anything more than picking a project and starting. I think a lot of enterprises overanalyze everything and they just need to pick something and go and learn and they'll find. So pick some narrow use case. Yeah, pick an app, pick a use case and go do it. And you'll learn and you'll figure out how it works for you and then you do the second and the fourth and the 10th and before you know it, you're on your way. That's what we did at IBM ourselves and now we're running our whole entire public lot on top of Kubernetes. All right, Jason, any learnings from that kind of experience that you'd share to users as they look forward? Yeah, we had a lot of learnings from using Kube. One is we could run a heck of a lot more diverse workloads than we thought when we started. We're running databases, we're running data warehouses, we're running machine learning, we're running blockchain, we're running every kind of application you didn't think could ever work on containers on containers. So one of the lessons was it's much more flexible than you think it is, right? The other thing is you really have to rethink everything like the way you do compliance, the way you do security, the way you monitor the system, like all of those things need to change because the underlying kind of container system enables you to solve them in such a powerful way. And so if you go into it just thinking, oh, I'm just going to change this one part of how I do apps and the rest won't change. I think you'll find in a year that you're changing the whole operating model around your environment. Well, Jason, rethink everything. We're here at IBM Think 2019. Thanks as always for catching up with us on everything going on. For Dave Vellante, I'm Stu Miniman. Got three more days of live coverage here from us going north. If you're here, stop by and say hi or reach out to us on the interwebs. Thanks so much for watching theCUBE.


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