When you are disidentified from the concepts and the roles, you can be truly loving and helpful. That's what was so great about Jesus is he wasn't identified with any of the concepts and the roles. And it didn't matter if they stuck him up on a cross. It didn't matter how extreme the dream got. He was totally unaffected by it because he allowed himself, he allowed his mind to be washed free of the concepts, the judgments and the roles. He was identified with a Christ idea. He was aligned in that flow, aligned with source and not identified with anything of the world. Now in the Bible Jesus said we should be meek and meek is gentleness and that was our first song here. Be gentle with yourself. But how can you truly be gentle with yourself if you are still tied up and believing and identified with the ego concepts? Because it's only our mind's identification with the concepts that brings in the defensiveness. It's like even in this world you know people can say well you know love does not possess and and you know possessions are the problem and everything. But you know some of us have tried that. If you physically just try to let go of your possessions, you know there's people like Tolstoy who actually did just give away all his possessions to the poor in Russia. He just gave away all his possessions to the poor and he still felt miserable because it's the idea, it's the belief in possession. That's the root of it. You can't just dinker around on the screen and think that you'll free yourself by taking certain actions. You know as if like taking this action that'll be a big deal and that action. You know a lot of times people look at people like Mother Teresa, St. Francis and they seem to live these very simple lives and and people that came to join St. Francis and join Mother Teresa practice what sometimes is called a renunciate lifestyle. You know you know those the young women that would come to Mother Teresa they would literally cut their hair before they would come into it. They would have to take vows, poverty, chess, the obedience and so on and so forth. But what we're learning is that it's not so simple to just snip some hair off or dress a certain way or try to simplify your life and form. The monkey mind of the ego is sitting back there going nice try. So you change your appearance and you changed a few things in form. It's the beliefs in the consciousness is where the addiction is. That's where the identity crisis is. It's an identity crisis of mind but with these expression sessions you first start to get in touch with where you have your attachments with where you still are holding on to false beliefs, false identities and that is so helpful. It's very introspective. It's very contemplative. It's very inward searching. It's very much the way in the story of David the parable of David played out because I was questioning my concept of self early on even before I got to the course. So when I got to the course it was almost like that was just a speed up of what I was already onto. Like there's got to be more to this world. There's got to be more than the limitations that my mind seems to be perceiving.  That's so predictable. It's been done so many trillions of times. There's got to be a new way. Eternity. There's got to be a gateway to eternity and why not go find it? It's an adventure. Go for it. That's what we're all doing together. We're on an adventure to eternity. We're on an adventure beyond time and space. Like in Star Trek to go to explore the galaxies to go where no man has ever gone before. Yeah, well let's go into the spiritual realms. Let's peel back the mask of time and space and see what's there that's truly there for us to experience. And we can do this. We can really do this. This is not like science fiction. We can do this. This is a living experience. You can start to feel it. It's like the matrix. When Neo first goes to Morpheus, he talks about like there's this splinter in your mind that's driving you mad. He's talking about the split mind trying to serve two masters. Like Jesus says, you cannot serve two masters. You can't serve two purposes. You can't live with a split mind. After a while, a split mind becomes intolerable. So now we're being guided to go deeper inside and to say, oh, I don't have to live with a split mind. I can forgive that which is not real and accept that which is real with the Holy Spirit's help. With help from inside, with help from above, so to speak, the Spirit. And we can do it. We do it through movie clips. We do it through experiential sessions. We do it through expression sessions. We do it through mind training and mind watching, even with seemingly every day kind of projects. What you really want to be reminded of is what is my purpose? What's the purpose for doing what I'm doing? It's not like the doings are ever going to get us out. If the world of doings was made so that we would never escape, we can do, do, do all we want. Do dah, do dah. You know, it's like we're just going to be spinning around there all the day, all the live long day. It's just like Groundhog Day, looping in time around and around and around. And you start to wonder, how do I get out of this? And we need to first have a purpose that we can really believe in that will take us out. And second of all, be patient and allow that purpose to work in us and through us. Don't try to put pressure on the purpose. Like, ah, come on, speed it up a little bit. You know, you know, can this be, can this be faster? And then, you know, of course it's saying, no, you will not be hurled into reality. You just will not be hurled into reality. You have to take this, what you can take, a bit at a time, a day at a time. But this does happen. So that's why we use a lot of movies, because the lessons can be learned, you know, through the experiences of others. You don't have to literally play it out with the School of Hard Knocks. As a person in time and space, you literally can start to grasp these mind-freeing lessons. And then, as you experience them, you start to realize that the characters in your dream are reflecting that same freedom back to you. That's glorious. You know, I'm here, I've been doing this for like 25 years with the course quarter of a century, and then I'm always giving the invitations. Come, come, come, come. What Lisa was describing was, yeah, the biological sister and the biological mother show up. Oh, yeah, I know you. Long time no see, but they showed up in the glory, you know. Their eyes were big.  I wonder, I think I've got I haven't got a voicemail. A voicemail from Evelyn. Let's see if we can find it here.  Just wanted to let you know that we arrived in Cincinnati, Ohio, about six this evening. We had a great trip from Denver to Indianapolis and got my car.  It was wonderful to see your place and see all of devoted women and men that you have around you. So we love you and hope everything goes well for the retreat. Bye-bye. That's a nice reflection. With devoted women and men you have around you, that's a reflection back, you know. And that's the thing, you know, in a course of miracles Jesus says that you are entitled to devotion if you are devoted. What he's really saying is if your mind is devoted to purpose you're going to draw forth all kinds of witnesses of that devotion because that's how it works. We simply perceive what we believe. The world is an outward picture of an inward condition. It's just a reflection back to us of our consciousness. So really whatever you want to know, what is the state of my mind, you could also say what is the state of the world that I perceive? That gives me the best indicator of where my mind is at in its mind training as I open up to the presence of God's love. And as you become more and more focused in this purpose, in this calling, and the fear is washed away, then you don't perceive error. In other words, there's a part where Jesus says do not see error. Well, perception is selective. So you're simply calling forth witnesses in the world to what you believe. And you have the power to change what you believe. You have the power to forgive instead of judge, to forgive instead of condemn, to forgive instead of hold grievances. You know, that's very powerful. That's very empowering to know that you can train your mind with the help of the Spirit to a state of forgiveness in which, since perception is selective, you draw more and more witnesses to your consistency of alignment with forgiveness until you become so aligned with forgiveness that you see the world in a completely different way than you saw it before. So isn't that exciting? That's the excitement. It's not the excitement of things in the world happening, but it's more the excitement of the capacity of the mind to learn to truly forgive and to see the world in a completely different way. You see that you can change your perception, that you are not stuck in a movie. You know, you are the dreamer of that dream and you can give that dream another purpose and therefore see the dream in a different way. And then you're not caught into trying to make all these external moves as if somehow, if I make this move, I'll be happy. If I move to this place or move to that place, if I have this kind of partner or if I do this many rituals or do this many tasks or duties, that somehow I'll reach a point where God will just go, very good. That's 10,957,821 good deeds that you've done. You've made the mark. You've finally done it. It's not through our deeds that we reach the state of enlightenment. It's through our purpose and our willingness to be open and to follow and flow in that purpose in a steadfast way. That's what brings us to enlightenment. And it's not even to time. We don't have to think this will take a long, long, long, long time. That's just another belief that it's going to take that long to be who we really are. You know, we have to start to question that too and say, I believe in miracles. I believe that miracles shorten time. They collapse the Alpha and the Omega. They bring this illusory past and this illusory future together. Chup, chup, chup.  Chup, chup, chup, chup, chup, chup, chup. Bringing the time that it takes to wake up, shorter and shorter and shorter as we practice the miracle and we allow it to collapse this illusory construct of time. Then we free up our identity. We don't feel time bound. We feel content. We feel like we're just watching. We're just witnessing. You know, we, it's just, it's, we don't feel like we're in the situation. When we feel like we're in the situation, we feel like we're in the movie. Then it gets very, very stressful. What have I got to do? What's practical? What's prudent? You know, or even worse, how am I going to get myself out of an impossible situation? That's a conundrum. How am I going to get my personal self out of an impossible situation? In the Holy Spirit, it's like saying by seeing that it's an impossible situation that you have never been in. Talk about a mind flip. You know, that's the way that we wake up. You don't try to heal the body. You try to heal the perception of the body in the world. You give all of your energy to mind training because you see how valuable that is. And you give less and less energy to trying to just survive and make it through as a dream figure. You know, it's, it's a lot of work to try to prop, print and do all these things for this dream figure that's just a figment of imagination anyway and never had any reality. So then it's like, okay, good. Then let me see it. Let me see things as they are. This is it. This is the good stuff.


Hi everyone, in this tutorial, I'm gonna show you how to count number of digits in a number in Python language. In order to do that, I'm gonna create a function, which is gonna count number of digits in a number. I'm gonna call it digits. This function is gonna have one parameter. I'm gonna call it number. So in this function, we're going to provide a number and then we are going to count number of its digits. First, what I want to do is to find the absolute value of this number. So if this number is negative, this function is gonna convert it to a positive number. Then I want to convert this absolute value number to a string. And finally, I want to count the length of this string and I want to print the length of this string to the screen. So I'm gonna use print function. Let's try our function number of digits in a number minus 435. Number of digits is 3. That's all in this tutorial. See you in the next tutorial. Bye!


So while I think functional programming offers tons of great things and that's why you'll see a lot of like function purity and other other aspects of functional programming within my code Like pretty much everything else. I don't view any single paradigm as a singer as a silver bullet We really got to talk about recursion versus iteration and Why I think one is superior to another Well, I have some boilerplate here just so that I'm not writing the timer stuff But we're going to define a function that does a countdown using recursion and another function that does a countdown using iteration and Apparently completely forget how to type typical me. So what this will need to do is of course take a value We'll just use an integer Sorry, I said functions just because it's a functional programming thing Adam makes an important distinction and these Should actually be procedures because there's nothing we need to return. It's just going to call itself continuously so then with any Recursive function we need an exit condition and to check for that now. We're just going to count down to zero so a value equals zero Then return I Need a semicolon and then quite literally just call a countdown again with The value minus one and that is for iteration. We can define the function again our procedure again So we need to do one thing slightly different here, or we're just gonna Assign this to a variable Let's do a These greater than zero Loop Okay, now these should do the same thing and they're being called the same way and we're going to pass We're passing the same exact value to each of these to make this longer especially since integer operations are very fast. We're going with the the total range of Natural and natural numbers So this is going to be counting down quite a bit Make sure this builds and that I didn't make any typos Actually, I'm going to optimize this So a few runs of this you can tell that recursion takes quite a bit longer than iteration We'll optimize this slightly further just to see if this makes any difference. I really don't recommend building at optimization level three for anything GCC After just years of doing it it can change code a little too drastically But you can see recursion still takes quite a bit longer there are some times where it comes pretty close I Not entirely sure why this deviation would be occurring at all Maybe somebody intimately familiar with the runtime can explain that to me But I regularly see cases of this I've done similar stuff in functional programming languages and even Well, I've done stuff with JavaScript recently and It was ECMAScript 6 so it did have the The recursion limit eliminated and the One of what did they call it tail end recursion optimization in place and Yet still I was seeing iteration outperform recursion Now that's not to say that recursion is useless. There are instances in which recursion is capable of Accomplishing things iteration isn't such as converting a Say a dictionary into a tree One possible way to do that is through recursion and it is remarkably difficult Depending on the language may be even impossible to implement that through iteration But if you're just going through something like we did countdown or going through a list or similar things iteration is Overwhelmingly the better option So I should explain the performance reasons why why there is a discrepancy between these two without getting into the assembly and You can easily write this for yourself and look at the assembly if you through whatever Disassembler you you like if you want to go that route It has to do with What's going on internally to accomplish this in the case of iteration? It's very simple. We can actually replace this whole thing with We do a label We'll just call it start and then go to start and then if What was the condition if v? Equal or yeah v equals zero Then return this is internally or this is this is Functionally identical this will accomplish the exact same thing and well Almost compile down to the exact same thing the The exact logic comparison is slightly different. I had a greater than before but it's just an equal now Actually, no, it's just why How does that work exactly at that? Doesn't matter doesn't matter Otherwise these are doing the same thing every time after we do the assigning v equal to V minus one. They're just decrementing it There's a jump back to this label This is all the loop does is it's just a continuous jump up to here until This statement is true So that's all that's happening is a jump operation in code With the recursion because there's a function call. It's jumping all Function calls involve a jump, but there's also some setup for the function if the function it I'm using function as a synonym for procedure here, uh any subroutine if the function Has a small enough amount of parameters and those parameters are capable of fitting in registers then what will happen is instead of a call stack the The parameters are put into certain registers if it's complicated enough Well, you have to build up a whole call stack of all the different Of all the different parameters, but in this case, it's just also puts the value into a register and then Decrements it puts it into the register decrements it puts it into the register and so on essentially, it's the additional setting up of the Function environment that causes recursion to be slightly slower


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Dr. Gannapai Waliker works in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering, Walsh and Institute of Technology, S.O.L.A.P. Today, I am going to give lecture on industrial IoT. As part of learning outcome, at the end of this session, the students will be able to understand the concept of industrial IoT and its importance. Before discussing the importance of industrial IoT and its core components, let us discuss the introductory part of industrial IoT. In the last videos, we have discussed about basic IoT and its capabilities. When basic IoT capabilities are implemented in the industrial and manufacturing space, then basic IoT will become industrial IoT. The industrial IoT is a combination of different technologies like machine learning, big data, sensor data, M-to-M communication and automation. If we all together, then we will think of industrial IoT. That will discuss the difference between industrial IoT and basic IoT. The basic IoT focuses on consumer devices like smartphones and smart appliances. But the industrial IoT connects the machines and devices in industries. Hence it makes devices and machines in industry-automated entities. Compared to IoT, the system failures and downtime in industrial IoT can result in life-threatening or high-risk situations. Hence the maintenance cost incurs in industrial IoT compared to the basic IoT. Let us discuss how the basic industrial IoT expands to an industrial space. In industrial IoT, the sensors and machines are implemented or placed at a particular place. Then these machines and sensors are continuously essence the operations of tools or working of tools or machines in an industry. Then the information of these operating tools will send to the processing unit. The processing unit processes the information sensed by the sensor about the working of machines. Then that data will be utilized by the user. Then you will apply a basic concept in order to gather the information or extract the knowledge. So before extracting the knowledge, you will analyze the data in a different view and finally you will extract the knowledge. So that base and that knowledge, so you can monitor this operating of the tools or machines in an industry. So likewise, the basic IoT will expand to the industrial IoT. So now we will discuss IoT industries. Women IoT is characterized as having women interaction and low failure impact. But when the industrial IoT is we as an IoT that is industrial IoT, so then it is characterized as operating without direct to men interaction and oversight. The primary devices that work with one another without men interaction are more robust control failure modes. That's why the IoT, industrial IoT becomes more important than a basic IoT. So due to awareness and desire to be connected and have a smart and intelligent systems in India, the industries are expected to grow at an exponential pace in a decade. As per joint report by internet and mobile association of India that is R-A-M-A-R, industrial IoT is expected to surpass the consumer IoT space in India by 2030. Manufacturers estimates that the industrial internet of things that is IoT could add the 14.2 trillion dollar to the global economy by 2030. By 2025, the industry 4.0 could generate the manufacturers and suppliers and estimated a 3.7 trillion dollar in value creation potential. Today, so however, a mere 30% of manufacturers are already realizing a value from their investments. For most, the race to the digitization has just begun. The global industrial IoT market was valued at 313.27 billion US dollar in 2019 and it is expected to reach a value of 607.73 billion US dollar by 2025. So now we will discuss about the key global developments in IoT space. IoT enables the rapid product application development and operation as well as the collection, analysis and sharing of the potentially large amount of data across a different area. Building and supporting the technology stack requires a substantial investment and a range of new skills including software development, systems engineering, data analytics and online security expertise. This innovation and affordability of sensors, increasing adoption of smartphones, affordable bandwidth, chip processing, ubiquitous wireless coverage, big data analytics and cloud computing are some of the key dynamics that are driving the readiness for IoT. So now we will discuss the benefits of industrial IoT and these are the some of the benefits I have listed here. Applications of adopting a fully connected IoT manufacturing operation or the increasing efficiency, the reduced errors, predictive maintenance, improved safety, reduced cost. So now we will move to the applications of industrial IoT and because of remote operation and because of advance in the technologies, the machines are tools are working together or they are automated in nature. So that is why the industrial automation is the best example or the best advantages and connected factories, the predictive maintenance, the integration of smart tools, wearables, the smart logistics management, software integration for product optimization. These are the some of the basic advantages of industrial IoT or the industrial IoT being used in a different applications. And these are the second category of applications where industrial IoT are being used in a wide smart package management, announce quality and security, autonomous vehicles, power management. So now we will discuss about some of the advantages of industrial Internet of Things, the improved accuracy, a product and process optimization, the predictive maintenance and analysis, higher efficiency, a remote accessibility and monitoring, announce security, a scalability of network, a reduced downtime for the machines and processes. So now we will discuss about how the industrial IoT will help for the job seekers. So because of a wide use of industrial IoT, so it provides a career opportunity to the needy people from small scale industry to the large scale industries. And here I have listed different sectors, so where the industrial IoT being implemented and offer job to the job seekers, starting from share marketing, health care, home construction, media, telemedia, digitization and transportation and in all and every corner or industrial section and the industrial IoT being used and hence it is offers a job opportunities to the or career opportunity to the end people. So think and write, so is IoT worth it, pause the video now and answer the question. Yes, with companies continuing to invest in industrial IoT technologies and the use opportunities for growth, the industrial IoT is definitely an avenue to explore for curious tech savvy individuals who want to write to the way of the future. So these are the references I have cited to prepare my PPPT and out of which the two are books and three are the Internet content. Thank you.


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side the UK allocation which we are responsible for in terms of how the EU allocates the funds to member states it tends to be on quite similar line to the way for instance they allocate convergence funding so there is the case that those less developed countries where the industries are weaker would tend to attract more investment that problem wouldn't go away for instance if Scotland was an independent country unless it became a substantially poorer country which I'm sure nobody would want so the fact that the UK has a lower allocation in some member states is a product of the fact that it's allocated rather on the lines of the convergence funds so the UK tends to get a small allocation than some of the other member states but not all I mean Malta for instance per vessel gets a very small sum of money compared to Scotland it's about three times higher allocation per vessel than we get here in Scotland that we do in Malta for instance I might just ask John to come in on the formalities I know you've made the point about that you start from a position that's unfair I'm not sure that's right because the starting point was actually on an agreed set of principles and agreed set of criteria with officials in all the devolved administrations so John do you want to just elaborate a bit more on that point? Yes of course I think for both the allocation within the UK and to the UK within the EU the level of landings is not one criterion but in no sense the determinant the point of the Fisheries Fund is to help member states fund changes to the fleet to enable them to implement CFP reform and there many ways the number of fishermen is rather more important than the number of fish and so if you look at the criteria there are actually more vessels in England than there are in Scotland there are more fishermen in England in Scotland in Scotland there's a bigger aquaculture sector and there's also more landings and more ports so it's actually a mix of criteria and you can't just select one but we can all select one and say I'd like that to be the determinant and that will give me most but it's actually a mix of criteria and those are all weighed in the balance to work out as well as we could what will be a fair distribution now the result of that is that both Scotland and England would receive increased shares Northern Ireland and Wales because there's obviously any ads up to 100% would receive reduced shares the level of reduction was very very difficult for Wales and Northern Ireland as the minister said as UK minister he decided to soften that reduction so that's within the UK at EU level equally level of landings is not the simple criterion there's questions about the level of overcapacity that needs to be reduced in different Member States fleets there's questions about the convergence issue in terms of overall levels of population poverty these are all factors that come into play although in all honesty we do not know precisely how the commission determines the allocations the only other point I'd add is that in the new fund and we have yet to have announced though we're expecting it any day now the actual sums of money per Member State we expect that the UK will receive more on the data collection work and on the control and enforcement work both of which are really important in the UK and certainly in Scotland and we so expect our share to go up there and get rather more money which will be very welcome but it's not completely transparent process within the commission we're waiting to find out what the numbers are Mike, just one more thank you for that explanation which is very useful what that suggests to me is that an industry which is properly organised and operating efficiently and is efficiently managed and I put that all together is actually going to get less and actually those who organise themselves properly are effectively penalised and public money goes to those who have failed to organise themselves properly that is a I suppose a feature of any convergence style fund you could say the same about structural funds that it is there to support those that need help in converging with the best performers in the EU that's the actual stated purpose of these funds and that's the purpose of regional policy the world over good morning to you Mr Eustace and to Mr Robbs in your opening remarks you said I hope I quote accurately that the marine environment is incredibly complex which I'm sure around this table we all agree with and beyond this committee room today of course could I ask you in relation to the new European marine and fisheries fund the degree to which or could you comment on the importance of member states now having to reward fishing businesses which meet environmental criteria and Mr Robbs has already mentioned some input into from that for data protection sorry for data collection rather could you highlight something about how the use of this money will help the wider marine environment and the sustainability of our fish and fish stocks well the first thing to say is having done the allocation will obviously be now for the Scottish Government to work out how they spend their share but I can tell you a little bit about what we are what our thinking is on this frontier in England and we would envisage for us given the challenges of the discard ban probably the lion's share of the so-called core funding which is the main part of the funding that goes direct to fishermen we would envisage going to support more selective fishing practices and equipment that helps fishermen fish more selectively which will have a big impact on making a the discard ban work and B if we can make that discard ban work a huge improvement in terms of the environmental outcome of fishing so that is where we intend to focus the lion's share of that core funding there are as John Robb alluded to three strands to the EMFF nothing is ever simple at a European level and the other two one is around supporting data collection and one around enforcement both of which I think I am writing saying are funds predominantly to support government work in that area I don't know John whether you want to say a little bit about how we would intend in England at least to spend some of those two funds and whether there is anything to add on wider environmental point okay yes absolutely we are currently preparing the UK program which has to get commission approval for implementing the European Moon Fisheries Fund it won't totally surprise the committee to know there are four different parks to the UK program and I am sure you can readily work out what those four different parks are reflecting the desire of the four organisations to have their own priorities which is totally within our devolved system I think in all parts but particularly probably England and Scotland data collection is a key area to improve our understanding of the state of stocks especially in the seas and that will become more and more important as we implement the discard ban and move towards achieving maximum sustainable yield in all of the fisheries so we will be looking to get maximum benefit from that funding control and enforcement equally and it was alluded to by Mr McGregor presents discard ban presents additional problems on control and enforcement which requires a degree of investment so we will be looking there to use the additional money to help us again to make the new rules operate effectively all of which is aimed at improving the state of the fish stocks so that that benefits the marine environment generally and of course ultimately it is to increase quotas to benefit the industry Thank you We've got several more people on this subject Angus McDonald first Yes thanks Good morning Mr Eustace I listened to Mr Rubs argument there was regard to using other factors to determine the EFF split such as the higher number of fishermen in England which you mentioned or the higher proportion of processors The problem I have with that is that the UK Government negotiated 1.4% of the EFF fund for Scotland whereas a number of other countries with fishing sectors similar in size to the Scottish sector negotiated a much better deal so that the UK Government negotiated 3.1% of the total allocation that via 2.9% and Estonia 1.9% meanwhile we are languishing near the bottom with 1.4% Do you not recognise that that is an unfair deal Well as I said you can trade figures endlessly I made the point of Malta for instance where their allocation equates to around 8,000 euros per vessel on the EFF compared to 26,000 euros per vessel in Scotland and there are divisions and I think I've covered why some of those less developed countries given that there's an element of the formula calculation is similar to the convergence one that's why you would end up with a lower level I have to say I don't think Denmark is in a situation where it's less fortunate in Scotland with regard to the quality of its industry 3.9% 3.1% Well, I mean it is as I said there's lots of criteria that they use in that allocation one of the things that also the UK Government more broadly has wanted to achieve at a European level is a freeze in the EU budget it's had cross-party support in Westminster, the SNP joined with the Conservatives and others to vote for a freeze in the EU budget and when you do that there are implications and all of us all the parties that we have wanted to freeze that EU budget and it does mean that sometimes you're not going to you know it does mean that sometimes there are difficult choices to make on the budget Thank you and good morning Scotland's new concept of MEP and Duncan recently suggested that the European Fisheries funds should be spent elsewhere rather than in Scotland and his justification for that and I quote was the funds should go to those places which are struggling the Scottish industry is not struggling but as we heard from yourself earlier today Scotland actually has been using up all of its allocation of the funding would you not accept that as an indication that the demand does lie here and that we are in fact struggling There are always challenges in the fishing industry not just in Scotland but elsewhere we've had an incredibly difficult winter for instance in the south west and Fishermen down there with the storms we've had a very difficult time but I mean I just come back to what I said in the opening really we recognise that Scotland has tended to use all its allocation one of the reasons why we've done two things we've increased it first of all from 40 to 46% of the UK allocation it's a major increase but also added this flexibility so that if we have a situation in future where other parts of the UK are underutilising their allocation sure we will transfer that to Scotland because we don't want these funds to go unused and so I think having that flexibility has been an important part of the agreements here and I think it's a good solution and a good way forward You wouldn't agree with Mr Duncan, you recognise that there is a demand for these funds and the need for them to come to Scotland Look, recognise that there's a role for these funds absolutely and that's why we will be putting quite a lot of effort to use it, we can see it's got a very important role to play for instance in investment in more selective netgear to make the discard bound work, I don't know the comments that you made might have been in this broader context about the EU allocations rather than the allocations here within the UK because I think we've demonstrated that we recognise the importance of fishing in Scotland that's why we've allocated 46% from 40% Thank you for that answer, can I just develop a slight tangent? In the press release it was released yesterday by Defra, there's a reference to accessing these funds for the processing sector I just want to be able to outline what exactly the processing sector can get from these funds because much of Scotland's processing sector at the moment is finding it very difficult just now because I've lacked the continuity of supply for example and they're struggling to track new entrants which has got obvious problems going forward so I just wonder what criteria apply to the funds for the processing sector that might allow them to get some benefit from them? Well I might ask John in a moment just to give the specific criteria but the previous EFF and the new EMFF fund does allow for investment in processing I know they visited Peterhead towards the end of last year and I know they were hoping to be able to access some of those funds to upgrade some of the facilities they've got there so the type of thing it has funded previously is investment in equipment and capacity to do fish processing and obviously one of the other implications potentially of the discard ban is you may be landing more unwanted by-catch and you may therefore need capacity in some places to increase your ability to process fish. It's too early to tell to the extent to which that will happen and certainly in many parts of the country there's a lot of surplus capacity on the fish processing side but that might be one area that could be considered John is there anything to add to that on terms of the specific types of projects that the new one might have funded? Yes I think that's right, there's a good deal of flexibility and you'd be very much up to the Scottish Government to decide how far this is a priority within its part of the programme and I think the only other area I can immediately think of in addition to those that the Minister has already covered is the potential to develop new products and new markets particularly for species which are currently not deemed to be marketable but actually just because there isn't a market and that's quite a promising area for some species. Jamie McGregor followed by Dave Thompson Can I just start by saying that I very much welcome the fact that Scotland is set for a bigger European fishing fund share within the UK and thank the Minister for that. Now on the subject of deputisation of who sits in the chair at EU meetings much mentioned by Dave Thompson across the table there am I not right in thinking that when Scotland wanted to manage its own levels of effort ie days at sea that the UK negotiated this for Scotland despite disagreeing with the Scottish position and that Scotland now has that opportunity and also that in the mackerel dispute resolution talks it was Scotland that took the helm but was very ably supported by the weight of the UK now on that point can you think of an instance when the UK delegation worked against the needs of the Scottish fishing in Europe and would you agree that in the EU negotiations being a large member state is a very good thing? Let me take those maybe in reverse order on your latter point that's absolutely the case the UK is one of the major members of the EU with a large number of votes and in addition we're taking very seriously on fishing matters just given that we've got such a huge fishing industry and that we're a maritime country so all of those and we also have a lot of credibility because we do advocate sustainable fishing and we're serious about it so all of those things mean that the UK's got incredible clout when it comes to fishing discussions at the European Council and yes obviously Scotland because it's the best part of half of the UK industry depending on which measure you use and I know people have used all sorts of figures but roughly half it has a major bearing and major influence on what we do and I think that going there as the UK to argue for Scottish interests which we routinely do and by the way Scottish interests on fishing are hardly ever at variance to the interests of other parts of the UK we're able to go there with a very very strong voice and I don't think that would be the case with an independent Scotland which would have maybe similar voting rights to say in Estonia I think it would be different on your other point about the UK I would just make this point I mean I'm I have to go and account for the decisions I make in Parliament and if I'm unfair to Fishermen in Wales I'll have Welsh MPs on my back and if I'm unfair to Fishermen in Scotland I'll have Scottish MPs on my back likewise for Northern Ireland and for England and that's actually how accountability should work I'm accountable to all of those people and they in turn are accountable to their electorates and to the fishermen in their constituencies and I think that's a really important principle if you want that accountability to work and if you had a minister from a devolved administration in that chair they haven't got the same incentive to be fair to everyone because they haven't got all those other MPs from other parts of the UK potentially on their back if they feel they're being unfair so I think it's just a really important principle that we get that right but absolutely my view is that that we can get a better deal for Scotland with it part of the UK I'd like to continue I have another question but not on that subject There'll be another subject if you back another chance we'll stick to this one at the moment Dave Thompson Thanks very much to Envener and good morning again gentlemen to follow up on the point that Jamie Ray's dare is giving me the opportunity to do that Could I ask you Mr Eustace if there was ever a situation or maybe there has been a situation where you said that the Scottish position was hardly ever at variance with the rest of the UK position which implies that sometimes and occasionally it is at variance therefore representing the whole of the UK if you had to choose between voting for the position of the rest of the UK England perhaps against the Scottish position where there was a variance could you ever see yourself voting for the Scottish position ahead of the our UK position Well as I said I would always in those situations do something that is fair to the UK but I can't remember if I think of the last December council we all had an interest in getting the right EU Norway deal we all had an interest in increasing the North Sea tack and not accepting the proposed 9% cut we had an interest and we argued very powerfully in that December council for increased flexibility with Anglifish which was important to some sectors of the Scottish fishing industry I can't remember a time when we've actually been on a different page on these issues look we've got shared waters we're one UK and we've got very much shared interest when it comes to the fishing industry Maybe I could just pursue that very briefly convener on transferable quotas for instance individual transferable quotas were mooted some time ago The Scottish cabinet secretary's position on quotas is fairly straightforward he doesn't really want quotas that are allocated to Scotland being traded whereby those with the deepest pockets can buy up the quotas and you end up with Scottish communities not having access to any quotas I just wonder you know there's a possibilities there not that is a different position to the position that you might take in relation to these things Well I don't think there is I might ask if you want to come in on the detail of that all I'd say is that one of the key benefits Scotland's got from being part of the UK is that we do have quite a fluid quite a flexible market to be able to swap and lease quotas between producer organisations within the UK and I think that's quite important and obviously we've got the Fisheries Concordat to deal with the way different parts of the UK relate to one another on issues such as where vessels are registered but look I come from Cornwall and when I talk to Cornish Fisherman they'll sometimes complain to me that there's lots of Scottish boats scolipping around Falmouth Bay and in the channel and that's something that concerns them but you know I don't begrudge that we are one of the advantages is we've got this flexibility that comes with being part of the UK and lease quota in order to match your quota that a producer organisation holds with the fishing opportunity so I think it's a major argument actually for doing these things at a UK level John, is there anything to add on the this is the previous idea about the transferable quotas wasn't it? Just the sort of the background history here which is prior to the minister's time but Mr Thompson clearly remembers it and I remember it because last time I was before this committee with Richard Benyon we had a lengthy exchange on the commission's proposal for transferable fishing concessions and I think that's the point you're raising here and at that stage early on in the CFP reform negotiations we were clear in the UK we didn't like what the commission proposed but there were very different perspectives between Mr Lockhead on the one hand and that we were working through and we did work it through within the UK in the course of the negotiation we ended up with a nicer position and you haven't heard about the TFC problem for quite some while and that's because we sorted it out in the context of negotiations so we may start with different perspectives but we work it through until we've got a shared position Thank you for that, I just wonder minister would you be in favour of allowing the Scottish Government to ring fence quotas within Scotland's seas, would that be something that you would consider to ensure that the quotas remain for the use of our local communities around Scotland? Look, at the moment we've got I think the right balance with the Fisheries Concordat that makes sure you don't get vessels trying to circumvent enforcement measures at a particular part of a particular UK administration might have put in place but the benefits of having a larger pool that producer organisations are able to lease freely between themselves so that they actually match fishing opportunities to you know, match the fishing opportunities of the fish that are available so I don't think it would be in Scotland's interest to sort of withdraw from that and have a much smaller quota allocation that it's unable to deny it the flexibility to trade that with the rest of the UK. Mike Ferguson Thank you, I'll be very brief minister good morning to you and could I just say somebody with a Cornish wife I long ago learnt that introducing as English was not in my domestic interest so welcome to the committee can I just clarify one thing I think you said quite early on in this debate which was I think you said that the criteria for EFF funding allocation within the UK was entirely agreed by all the devolved assemblies and parliaments within the UK, is that what you said? The process that we went through was quite an exhaustive process at official level so there were long discussions between officials between all of the devolved assemblies and the UK yes my understanding is that we got to the position of the end where everybody said they would broadly be content with this so that is that's where we got to I should also say that I did have a discussion on this point with Richard Lockhead I think at the beginning of this year one of the Fisheries councils that we had and he was very clear with me then that he understood the difficulties in reaching these agreements but he was more than they might be allocated and that his preference was that if we could get somewhere that was reasonably found dealt with this his primary point was the fact that Scotland had used its allocation and the other parts previously hadn't if we could find a way of addressing that then he would prefer to see a decision made so that we had clarity and certainty about the funds and fishing businesses could prepare for it he would prefer that than to see a long protracted process that maybe went for many months or even years that's fantastic thank you it's a fact that you already mentioned that Britain has a strong role to play in these negotiations and yet Denmark got 3.1% of the funds as has been previously said Latvia 2.9 Estonia that small independent country in the Baltics 1.9% Scotland's got about 1.1% the second lowest funding per ton of fish in Europe do you think that's a very good outcome for the UK negotiation well I would simply come back to what I said and this is it's quite complicated the way that the European Union calculate these types of allocations but there is a strong element on it of looking at things like the convergence criteria and yes that does mean with this particular fund that the UK perhaps gets less than say Denmark but as I said if you look at the amount it gets per vessel considerably more than a country like Malta so there's lots of anomalies in the way any EU scheme of this sort works John I might just ask on the where there's a bit more detail we can give about the precise nature and the formula that the EU follows when doing these types of allocations yes of course I mean first of all this is not a negotiation of the normal sort this allocation by the European Commission it's not like a council negotiation between the Member States to reform the CFP whether UK obviously works very closely with the other big Member States to exert maximum influence this is an issue which the Commission decides so it's not a negotiation of the normal sort I think the percentages you're reading out I don't have them in front of me but I guess those are the allocations under the current European Fisheries Fund rather than the future European Maritime Fisheries Fund and so and those we have yet to learn what they are we should learn in the next few days but certainly in the past Denmark had by far the largest fleet in the EU and it has reduced a vast amount of that fleet and closed down big chunks of its industry and that was the reason essentially why Denmark got the amount it did now we did not make the case for having a very large amount of money to close down much of the Scottish industry you know we would not want to do that and you have to look in each case each country as to what the reasoning is try to discern what the reasoning is that the Commission applied in determining the shares sometimes it's conversion sometimes it's needing to in the case of the new member states change their entire way of operating to introduce the CFP that was obviously an issue when Estonia got its share hasn't been an issue for Scotland since 1973 or subsequently when we developed the CFP so there are different reasons I see so that perhaps might explain why Spain got 25% of the fund in the last period of time which doesn't seem to have reduced their fishing effort that much I think you'll find that again subsequent to Denmark having the largest fleet Spain had a very large fleet a lot of over capacity big issues with poor enforcement and control and big issues with fishing opportunities in third countries a lot of problems now I'm not saying I do not know how far they've invested the money wisely but there were reasons in the Commission's thinking behind why a lot of investment was needed in Spain to sort things out I'd just like to finish this particular line of questioning with another point from your press release yesterday that says that the Scottish fisheries sector was to receive the greatest share of the UK Fisheries Fund that's correct but I'm surprised and although it's not in quotes at the end it says Scotland receives a large amount of the current European Fisheries Fund compared with other well-developed member states but you then use an analogy about vessels per country like it receives 26,000 k euro for 26 k euro for each vessel compared to 12 k for Finland 18 for Ireland and 15 for England isn't this the wrong analogy because you've said that data enforcement, the number of fishermen and so on are really important and the processing sector which is part of our activities so in fact using this analogy is actually spin well look there are different ways you can look at these things but I would say if we are to use the EMFF partly as a way of investing in more selective net gear and the like then I don't think it's an irrelevance the number of vessels that you're trying to support in that endeavour and there are different ways of looking at these figures but as John said this is something that is very much decided at a commission level and they have lots of different factors in the way they make an allocation to member states the bit that we control is the allocation within the UK and I'll just come back to what I said at the beginning I think we've been very very fair this is a great deal for Scotland as I said when we had 40% that was heralded as a very good deal for Scotland at the time by Richard Lockhead we're now at 46% so I think that's the bit that you can judge the UK government on and I think we've been very fair to Scotland in this allocation so do you think then that since we had 2, the second lowest funding per ton in Europe and several other measures the last time that it's going to make much difference at all well coming back to what John said we are expecting any day now possibly even later today but certainly I think by the end of the week the EU to confirm the allocation that it's making to EU member states perhaps that would be a time to rerun all of these formulas in terms of amounts per vessel absolute amounts and amounts per ton thank you we want to move on to fish quotas just now Mr Eustace and Claire Baker have some questions about that thank you convener good afternoon I've had a few questions already around quotas but I'd like to ask you a bit about the concordat which has been now in place for the past year it's actually been in operation and we have touched on the subject of the referendum so it dominates a lot of Scottish discussion at the moment could you clarify what the status of the concordat would be what the status of it currently is and what the status of it would be if Scotland was to lead the rest of the United Kingdom well at the moment and the concordat was drawn up to solve a particular problem which is if you've got a total allowable catch set allocated at a UK level but quite a significant amount of devolved responsibility for enforcement there had been some particular concerns with some parts of the UK England I think was the one that triggered the change had tried to make some licensing change to help support their enforcement measures and they then found that boats were trying to get around that by registering at other ports in other parts of the UK to circumvent the enforcement measures that devolved part was putting in place so it was an important step to get some agreement and the principle one is that boats should be registered at the port at which they land most of their fish and where most of their activity goes on or that they should have another connection with that particular part of the UK so I think it's been an important step forward obviously it's still quite young it was only brought in place during the summer of 2012 and there have been some issues and some tensions obviously around how it works but broadly I think it's been successful look if Scotland left the UK I mean clearly if Scotland left the UK the first thing to happen would be outside of the EU for certainly a period of time and would then be in accession negotiations to try to get back in so the position of Scotland in that interim period before it had negotiated accession would be as a country outside of the outside the UK but outside of the EU as well which would be a very different sort of relationship that would be probably closer to the sort of thing sort of discussions we have with countries at the moment such as Norway and Iceland but we would have to clearly look if there was a vote for Scotland to leave the UK there would be a long period of negotiations where we try to work out these types of issues but it would certainly be complicated so I don't have the immediate answer to where the Concordat I suppose there would no longer be a need for the Concordat in such a situation presumably or it's uncharted territory I think that there would be plenty of other things to worry about um the I mean it is a it would be you would anticipate there would be negotiations because the Concordat would no longer apply and there would have to be negotiations in terms of what our quota share was and how the regulatory system works because I mean the Fishing fleet in my experience largely identifies itself as a UK business that has a lot of cross-border business whether that's in the process sector or the catching sector so I mean the Concordat is simply an agreement between the four UK ministers on the details of how we manage fishing opportunities within the UK bearing in mind it's devolved so heavily we just need a few core principles and conventions about how we behave in relation to each other in the interest of everybody and as you say the industry who are not necessarily all great fans of this Concordat do work across borders I mean a lot of the fish caught by the Scottish fleet are using quota least from English companies it's not actually Scottish quota it's English quota but least within the UK to Scottish vessels and that's the benefit of both parties so that's absolutely fine but it reflects the way in which the internal UK flexibility is present if Scotland were to leave the UK then obviously the Concordat would no longer apply to Scotland and we'd have a whole host of new arrangements to negotiate one final question you mentioned the system of leasing quotas that happens within the UK you'll be aware that the Scottish Government at the moment have a moratorium on certain aspects of that and are planning to have a consultation into the operation of leasing the driver for that is concerns from fleets and on harbours about the cost of leasing there's increasing upward pressure on the cost of leasing do you recognise what is leading to the consultation but have you had any thoughts on how the system currently works on the operation of the moratorium at the moment this would be a matter the way the quota is allocated to different producer organisations would be a matter for the Scottish Government to look at the Scottish Government to make it clear they do want to look at that and that's why their intention to have a consultation we've looked at this in a smaller way in England in the sense that there had been some quota that was being underused by the producer organisations and so one of the things we're doing with very modest changes to try to take some of that unused quota and move it to the under 10 metre pool for the smaller inshore vessels who felt that they were not getting a fair enough deal is that even doing a very modest step like that was very contentious and controversial in some parts of the industry so I think it's quite difficult to unravel these systems that have been set up over a long period of time but there's no harm in having a consultation I suppose that's what the Scottish Government wants to do but I think there's a danger of these things that you end up with uncertainty in the industry and producer organisations have got quite good at swapping quota and leasing quota in order to match the quota that they have with phishing opportunities that are available so I think my view would be that people should proceed cautiously with revolution in that area but I can understand there's always going to be anomalies and issues of that that the Scottish Government's got a right to look at I'm a right in thinking that you wanted to have totally transferable quotas that could be sold around the EU from the British Government's perspective well I think this comes back to the point that John Robs was mentioning earlier there had been some discussions at an e-level about transferable phishing concessions I think it was cool at the time and that's an agenda that didn't go any further it was before I became Fisheries Minister so although I've got up to speak with everything that's current in debate I don't know John, is there anything further you want to add to the debate from two years ago? I think the key point is that you don't know about it Minister which reflects the fact that it's no longer current as an issue it's an old closed issue Thank you Sir Humphrey Tell me what I need to know Jamie McGregor has a question about West Coast Not about the West Coast My question really is recently our First Minister made a speech in Bruges and on phishing he said that we propose a practical common sense approach to membership which means that there is no detriment none whatsoever to any other member of the European Union as a result of Scotland's continuing membership Now given that there will be a negotiation of which the UK will be in charge of regarding the uncertain position of Scotland's future within the EU and as you clearly recognise phishing will be an important part of that is there a risk of a worse end point for the Scottish phishing industry than the present status quo? I think that's always the case and it will be the case on a lot of other fronts when a country tries to join the European Union and goes through the accession process and tries to seek the agreement of all the other member states that they should be allowed in you suddenly find that all the other member states have got a lot of demands that they come up so that's an inevitable part of an accession negotiation and yes I would be obviously the case to leave the UK, leave the EU and then seek to negotiate re-entry Can I have a small question on the whiskers? No not at this moment let's try and deal with this matter first I thought you were going to ask about bronze which you asked for early but we'll see how we've got time the ministers and ours but Dave Thompson on that point Yes Minister just to follow up on the point you've just made I would dispute the fact that we would be out of the EU in September when we get our yes vote if the Scottish people decide that we'll still be in the UK and the EU for 18 months and many many eminent people have said that's more than enough time to get the bulk of the toughest negotiations out of the way but there's a problem for the EU if your scenario is correct and Scotland was out with the EU because the EU when it negotiates with countries like Norway and Iceland and Faro and so on and swapping quota with these countries to allow 12 European nations who fish in Norway, Iceland's waters and so on a huge amount of the chips, the bargaining chips that Europe has are actually bargaining chips that come from Scotland's seas therefore if Scotland is out of Europe does not have those bargaining chips to bargain with and the agreements which currently allow these other 12 European countries to fish in Norway, Icelandic and Faro's waters would need to be renegotiated without the benefit of the massive bargaining chips in Scotland's water so it is in Europe's interests and the interests of those 12 countries in particular to make sure Scotland is in Europe at the end of the 18 months otherwise their fishing industries are going to suffer very severely well look in any negotiation both sides have some chips I mean this is starting to sound a bit like a hustings for the referendum campaign for reasons for reasons I can entirely understand but I mean the only thing I would say a lot of the fish landed in Scotland process in Scotland is also through the European Union I think Scotland should want to remain part of the UK and part of the European Union because I think it's the best outcome for its fishing industry and its industry generally and that's my own personal view for a Cornishman to tell Scots what they should decide in the referendum that's coming up but that I just think there's a degree of uncertainty for the industry in leaving the UK, leaving the EU and then going through an accession process and a re-negotiation to try to get back in to the European Union with 28 other member states with a list of demands and I think it shouldn't be something that the country should decide to do lightly Let's move on Claudia Beamish on research I think and things like that and to scientific research both from a UK perspective and perhaps your thoughts on what's going forward from an English perspective taking into account the regionalisation How does this in your view inform sustainable fisheries and the marine environment we've had the aquaculture bill recently which came before this committee which is now an act and there's also the complexities of other sectors in our waters and how that fits with the changing patterns which are being affected by climate change and of course biodiversity as well just to set the scene Absolutely and as I said in my opening remarks the marine environments are incredibly complex environment which means no man made policy is ever going to be perfect I think we've come quite a long way in terms of the methodology of assessing maximum sustainable yield and it's a constant process of trying to refine that but obviously we've got the ICs advice the international advice which is respected the world over for the work that it does on MSY for our part we've got in England CFAS who do a lot of work for us survey work we've got survey vessels that are out there monitoring stocks that information into ICs to help inform their work in this area and we've also been really keen to encourage partnerships more partnerships between scientific communities and the fishing community there's been some great examples around the country where you've managed to break down those barriers and the suspicion and frequently come across fishermen who are suspicious of the science and claim that it's out of date and I think the way we can address that is by having more of these partnerships where the fishing industry and the scientific community work more closely to agree a consensus on the state of stocks I mean we hope that eventually the stage after the discard plans which are currently being put together there'll be a discard plan for the Pelagics next year and then a discard plan for the Whitefish fleet the year after that after that point groups will focus their attention on multi-annual management plans and we'd like to move to a situation where MSY becomes absolutely at the core of those plans and informing those plans and where increasingly we can get ever more sophisticated understanding of things like predation patterns between different fish species and how different stocks interact with one another so that rather than having just an arbitrary for an individual species you might start to be able to move to something that's more sophisticated and looks at groups of species and the interactions they have with one another and as I said that's an incredibly complex step but we should be constantly looking to evolve the policy so that it's ever able to address some of these complexities in the system so I think the scientific advice can be really important under the new CFP agreement there's a commitment to be fishing at MSY for all species by 2019 or 2020 and for those where it's possible literally from next year so we are already well on the way to having MSY as the key objective of the policy Can I just clarify in terms of I'm a strong support of regionalisation and that way of going forward but can I just clarify what sort of arrangements there are for sharing between the different regions the scientific research and the ways forward are there actual processes for that Well obviously the most essential level it's done through the fact that everybody feeds in all sorts of science to ICs who then lead on recommendations but John is there anything else between the other countries in the North Sea and North Western Waters group? I'm not aware of formal regional structures but there are strong relationships between the scientists in the different countries for example around the North Sea or in Western Waters they know each other pretty well and there's a lot of co-operation there's joint projects if you want EU funding contributors from more than one member state it's one of the key requirements so there are various means of doing it but there's not a formal regional structure that I'm aware of If a question just now about the coastal communities funds I think this was something related to the Crown Estates distribution of these but also in terms of the access for fishing effort into those funds did you have anything that you could say about that just now? I think the main thing to say is that this doesn't come under the responsibility of DEF but I am aware that some concerns have been raised on that fund and I think I'm right in saying that the Treasury and a number of other organisations are looking at the issue of transparency on this and to try to address some of the concerns that have been raised I think from the coastal communities fund from memory Scotland we've got just short of £8 million last year which supported around 38 projects so of the just over 100 or so projects UK wide around 38 of them were in Scotland so it didn't look at the face of it as though Scotland was getting less than its fair share of that fund but look I know concerns have been raised and these are concerns that the Government takes seriously so they are looking at this issue I thought I would raise it just now so that we have it on the record for future analysis but thank you for that and Jamie McGregor prawns Very kind I'm an MSP for the Highlands and Islands region which covers most of the grounds for prawn fishing and scallop fishing particularly which are both important sectors to the Scottish economy but in terms of these fleets the boats are quite small and a lot of them are very old and I think in relation to the same thing would apply I think to some of your west coast Cornish fleets as well in relation to the funds you were talking about earlier and you talked about the need the funds being on the basis of need there is a very definite need to get these fleets up to scratch as to convergence so do you see this fisheries fund being able to do that and I know you've increased it and will it go to the areas where it's really needed and are you responsible for ensuring that or is that a question for Mr Lockhead Well in Scotland it is a question for Mr Lockhead because as John Robbs pointed out earlier how the Scottish Government chooses to allocate that ENFF fund is very much a matter for the Scottish Government what I can say is under the old EFF fund there was at that point an opportunity for boats to buy new engines replacement engines for their boats provided that they were either less powerful or certainly no more powerful than the engine that was there previously so provided it wasn't increasing fishing effort I don't think I don't think it was available for buying new boats but it was available for equipping those more effectively and in particular a lot of the EFF fund and we hope the EFF fund in England is going to be used to invest in more selective net gear and when it comes to the nephrop fisheries actually more selective net gears being quite successful in terms of making sure they're not getting bycatch and not catching juvenile stock Is anything more John's out of that note? It is a matter for Richard Lockhead I'm glad you don't know what nephrops means Well they're called all sorts Linguistines, nephrops or prawns depending on which part of the captry you're from I'd just like to thank you very much for this wide-ranging and robust discussion that we've had about the current EFF and the new one It's pretty useful for us to get the measure of what's being thought by the UK ministry but it's equally I hope useful for you to hear some of our concerns as the representatives of the rural areas of Scotland in this committee and I would say that we hope that we can repeat that exercise should that be necessary In the terms of our own committee we will be looking at fishing quotas and in parallel with the cabinet secretary's consultation to try and get to the bottom of how they are traded and in whose interests they are traded I'd like to thank you very much George Eustace and John Robbs and we will finish the meeting just now but before I close at the next meeting on the 18th of June the committee will take evidence from around the table of stakeholders on the control of wild geese numbers the petition PE01490 and we'll also consider its work program paper as discussed earlier so thank you very much, I've formally closed the meeting and we shall now adjourn