Go live. There we go. Look at all this Greetings people. Welcome to another hot sauce and pizza Thursday Yeah, I don't know what hot sauce to talk about because I didn't really have one planned. I wanted to it's a goal I should write these things down because I did have some sauces And I was gonna go to the office, but that didn't work out. So they were having at the office There's a local place called Detroit wing company their wings are okay their sauces are way more than okay They're amazing unfortunately like they're fun to talk about I guess amongst my friends But if you're not within range of one of these places, they don't sell them or anything These are all like custom-made sauces. They have so it's all about the different sauce biggest reason to go there So we have a few people in here see Cody's in here. So hey Cody Few other people I recognize Just realized today that pf since insurance core next cloud plug-in with hgproxy and ECME is a good mix Yeah, those things should all work together quite well Definitely fun Got express it in there Travis is in here. I Was that Travis? I think had some of the Detroit wings today. So Hopefully it was a good experience Sources are very good. Absolutely Hello from Germany all over the place Hello from Alec Sweden Norway we got all over the place here lots of people From I like that's the coolest thing is how everyone's from everywhere. That always just interests me I was like, that's just neat people are from all over as I said last time I'm actually going to Try to and I didn't write everything down very well but at least I put a few things in my head can I give an update when I start these of what's going on and how things are going and I don't know that I can I'll just blur out the name. I'll put my fingers over it. I have a contract That's for your little details in it because this is a very Generic looking contract, but unless I'm working out the ad sponsor things I asked for some feedback and thank you for all of you that did this basically saying that I'm going to keep the channel is minimal amount of ads and Simply do a few sponsored videos where I do a dedicated video where a vendor will sponsor that video and that interview that way I don't have to add a bunch of welcome to whatever the thing is selling across all the YouTube and podcasts in pepper all of my Normal videos with a bunch of ads. That's kind of my goals. I don't want to you know Have you listen to constantly the same ad read going excuse me a pick up so that The same ad read on 20 different videos for you know, whatever Thing mattresses or whatever it is that you hear across all the same podcast at the same time I don't think advertisers think about it as much But as a consumer of content myself, I listen to a lot of podcasts You'll know when there's an ad campaign being run by a company because you'll hear all your different YouTube people and all your Different podcasts you listen to simultaneously all have their own offer code for the same Stamps comm or whatever So yeah, so working on some of those details there is gonna be Coming soon, I'm gonna have them in it'll I'm actually gonna be as public-facing as I can having how I do it outline that way The vendors don't have to ask me as many questions. I'll understand the process, but this will also be so my Audience I keep an honest relationship with everyone who watches my channel and make sure you're clear and you know When a sponsored video is and I'll be entering them as sponsored videos So there'd be no question about whether or not it sponsored picking the vendors a lot of vendors want to come on there I am going to Probably be doing it as a Like I'm gonna be picky about who I choose to be on there So obviously I don't want companies that if I don't think the product isn't something people even be interested in and I doubt any of Advertisers are gonna reach out to me. So it's gonna be kind of, you know focus and of course I mentioned before when I do these interviews It's very similar to the way risky business Podcast does this where it's going to be done in a way where you know, I talk with the engineers I don't hear from marketing telling me how great your product is. Yeah, I could just read that on your website I want to talk with the engineers of how they solve the problem make it interesting But we get a get let this catch up a little bit. Slovakia. We will talk about the unified video I did for sure. Yes Switzerland, Portugal, Kenya Central Texas Maine, all right Let's see. Oh Yeah, Nord VPN. Yes Yeah, that's a whole another thing there's so many you know or the tunnel bear incident with What's his name Linus when tunnel bear got bought? I think they got bought my McAfee if I'm not mistaken But yeah Linus had like tunnel bear on everything for a long time and I don't know I mean that I think that works because Linus has a broader audience. So doing some type of broad topic like that I have a little bit more of a narrow audience I think it'll based on my feedback I get from a lot of people and a lot of people interact with of a lot More business and decision-makers. So, you know, I'm gonna bring it to products that are focused on the IT Services space and things you could use. So there's my thoughts on that because we're sick of hearing from Nord VPN At least I am could be wrong My preferred way of listening to podcasts While bicycle riding, I don't know if that's the question you're actually asking I walk and bicycle a lot Those are my ways I listen to podcasts. I want the coconut clapping fake course sound for electric cars Oh people who've seen my post on Facebook What do I mean thoughts on the talk news to come out of Def Con? I Might talk about some of it, but I'll wait till dive into some specifics on there You know, it's always cool when these different events come out because there's a lot that comes out of them But also things get released in so much more real time people don't save up for a year like they used to To to release information on things. So a lot of it's kind of it's so good. It is a wonderful event It's not to take away from the event It's just the the security stuff changes at such a faster pace that it's some of the stuff just gets released right away So I deal with more of the immediate and thinking about those and Sometimes there's some bigger strategy things that come out of Def Con and I'll eventually consume You know, they're all gonna get dumped out onto the YouTube I'll go through pick a lot of talks to consume them and have more thoughts on it later Poland Very cool. Why is someone messaging me? Cool All right, a few people are but nothing I can deal with right now So hopefully my staff. So it was just one of my staff members any leave figure out. What do you need real quick? I'll get that later Get that later Doing a live stream my staff does not know when I'm live stream They don't know he's showing Travis trying, but I don't think they all join All right, sorry about the interruptions Massachusetts recommendation any recommendations for that kind of talks that is a loaded question because it kind of depends what you're into So when it comes to doing the Def Con like what do you want to know? It's not like there's a talk that covers everything. Are you interested in car hacking? Then the car hacking talks are for you. You know what I mean? There's that's the The talks are gonna be very dependent on what is you want to know you want to understand supply chain attacks I'm guaranteed without looking at the list. There's probably more than one related to different ways to attack supply chain There's social engineering attacks. So it kind of comes down to your interest Denmark Massachusetts Nice lots of people from Europe and Yeah, a lot of Europeans here. Oh Sacramento, so at least have someone from the other side of the United States, California Oh Okay, we got one of one of more Lawrence systems person here What happens when you get sponsored by the copycat brands? I don't know what that means So I don't understand. I guess the context of that Chicago there's nice and close Another lens, okay, so by I got slowed down or this is me that I can only shout out so many But now on to the other topic so I got the sponsor thing kind of covered. It's it's going forward. You'll see those coming I'm finalizing some of the deals. So that's There I will I will mention this though Fellow downriver rat. Yes down rivers were the area I live in well, that's where my office is we refer to it Collectively is downriver because we're just down River Detroit. Um, I would just add a Detroit cybersecurity event That was actually pretty cool Cool that we have on a Detroit. It wasn't like the most amazing you have to go to a type of event. It was not bad though It's uh, it's okay So I'll have a few more events that I'm coming up today for those of you that are local in Detroit I will be going to the IT and the D meet up over at Nancy whiskey today at 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time That may not be while probably they're like 5 30 that may not be reasonable to any of you that are further away But I will be going to that event today You can look up IT and the D there the people that run it are some friends of mine They do these once a month meetups where we really don't do anything but have beer and talk about working in tech a little bit So that's about it Then the other event I'm going to is the gher con I've decided I'm going to gher con this year and I pull that up Real quick for those of you that might be going it's another type of security event So we'll get that pulled up and what I'm gonna start doing is as I'm going to these events I will be Mentioning them more often that way if people want to interact with me or want to find out about them You'll be able to find out. So this is the gher con the hacker conference So I will be at that that happens to be in Michigan That's gonna be I'll maybe able to mention a few times That's why I'm doing this way at a time this hacking conference is going to occur in October of 13th and 14th of 2022 So that's gonna be at DeVos place in Grand Rapids So for any of you that are going to gher con hey say hi to me what not I will also be going to it nation connect That's gonna be in November of 2022 so that's one of the things I'm gonna do is make a list of where Tom's gonna be and if any of you You know that way people know if they want to connect with me on any of this They can't or meet me and Any of these events I teenage you get 2022 I'll be at this event as well So a little bit of my travel itinerary. I'm gonna make a more consolidated list I tweet about it, but not all of it and the last thing I'll mention that maybe you want to participate in is tomorrow I'm doing a live stream with the connect why CEO. So that is a schedule for tomorrow I'll drop a link real quick to that just so people know I posted on LinkedIn. I'm gonna be tweeting it here shortly If you follow me on Twitter But yeah, this is the The one YouTube This is gonna be tomorrow this is related to the Pitchett event that connect-wise is running May throw a link down here, but you can find this and there's a link to my business technicality channel Well, this is gonna be tomorrow a live in 23 hours from now So whatever time zone you're in for me, that's gonna be 3 p.m Eastern standard time for you that may be something else So that covers all the things I wanted to get out of the way now We can ask a question that I think's a good one Unified clone would be an example like would you take a sponsor that directly competes? Well, here's the thing I Would possibly take a Cisco a Maybe a TP link Omana I don't think they have a product that I truly think is awful But I would warn them ahead of time is TP link Omana is an easy example I would ask them where's your clear policy on how you plan to support the product because I'm going to tell people that I'm going to be somewhat not hostile, but I'm going to be inquisitive and honest when I ask questions They can be a sponsored post, but we're here to have a conversation that educates the audience I have bills to pay. That's why we sponsor posts. That's the simple part of it But I'm not here to just endorse wildly anyone and any product. I want to have a good conversation I want to talk about the differences or maybe things about it So if I were to take and they've not at all reached out for this But that's an example, but if a company had a product that I thought was just bad I wouldn't even take them as a sponsor I don't I have the right to choose who I have on my channel for sponsorship and if I think a company is just Bad business practices terrible for consumers or whatever that is or a product that I really think no one should ever use In those cases, I wouldn't even take them as a sponsor. So it's not really a worry about me It's I'm not coming from a spot of desperation where if I don't do this I can't do anything, but I do need to make a few more dollars cover the channel hire an editor Maybe hire a social media person So I do need to have more revenue coming in to further expand all the tutorials I do which I know is what brings most people to the channel is me diving into tutorials and tech and doing those in an unbiased way means having some sponsored posts about other things so I can spend more time Creating and hiring people to help me create educational content and tutorial content So kind of a big picture of how that works and how I look at it And if I'm wrong about any of it, just let me know if you have if I'm missing something some way Let me know. I'm always looking for angles on all these things. So Let's see, what do we else we have in here What are the options for multi-way and gateways that do PUE failover? Yeah, BfSense can definitely do the failover P O E I don't understand having P O E on there, but Absolutely, like Eric says here PfSense can do the failover. I recommend buying a net gate sg-4100 You and expecting a firewall to be doing the P O E. That's weird. Put it in put a power injector on it Connected to a switch. I mean there's options. I just don't know that I would do it Or expect the switch to or the firewall itself to do it I should ask NuttGate and Unify a sponsor show well to my knowledge and I could be wrong about this. Unify doesn't sponsor things That I'm aware of maybe I'm wrong they What did they do? They had that Unify that network awesome weird youtube channel What was that called? They still have the content out there Did they stop doing it? Yes, they did for Let me just throw this out there look up network awesome and these were this was weird this appears to be paid actors That were from Unify well paid by Unify And I it was just so weird these few strange videos. They released under a channel name called network awesome She's actually an actor. We were able to find her IMDB. She was in a few other things But yeah, I was just strange Um, they just did a whole videos and it was all like promoted stuff, but just kind of strange like very scripted and weird and Not very technical telling you how they unify solved the problem. These were just weird videos So this is close as I can say that uh Unify did when it came when it comes to sponsoring things. This was my I don't know who pitched this to them Or thought this is a good idea, but it was weird. Uh, yeah, look up network awesome and be prepared to cringe that's Now Unify uh may have sent them and they've sent out equipment and I think they may have sent out equipment for Linus and of course Linus, um Does some things like Bigger deals because of the size of his channel and reach he has so maybe he did reach out to someone or someone reached out to him particular but My category of my size Unify doesn't seem to be interested in it So yeah, I think just ltt um, I could ask IX systems. I I don't know maybe uh, I know who does want to sponsor me I have I have a few companies uh that want to do it that i'm engaging with One of them is going to be and one I can't talk about it. It's going to be my friend John I like giving a shout out because I think his product's awesome. I actually really like his product Uh, let me pull it up every time I give him a shout out. He gets a few more people um on there I don't mind like I john's a jane wheelie nice guy, um with a really cool product But he builds this product here called saslio and uh, I john may be one of the first sponsors You see not the first deal. I signed because the deal i'm working on is actually for a sponsor for november uh, but this A particular company. I really like the people involved in building this product.  He's we just had some good conversations But they make a good product and he wants to be a sponsor and he doesn't might be in a guinea pig for some of it And uh, I'll ask john the hard questions about it because it is one. It's a cool product So I want to put it out in front of people. Um, and you know, he wants to buy some advertising works out for both of us He is a functioning running business with the need for more customers and I Have a lot of he's an engineer. So I've got a lot of good questions I'll be bringing up on there of how he solves the problems. He solves with that tool You attended the cross-talk network training in awesome last week at a netgate 2100 from home lab learning that is awesome Victor, how was the network training that looked like it went really well Uh, I thought it was cool that chris was doing that I debated, you know, because I was it kind of coincided with a few other things I was like, ooh, do I talk to chris and maybe go down there? Um, I it was really cool me and chris are friends and I even talked about maybe me and him collaborating on Some of this, you know, this I think it's really great that he's doing some of the trainings in there. So yes um Do you have some resources explaining how to adopt a unified component using a management vlan? I don't think I've done any particular videos on there. Usually he's adopted and move it to the management vlan I don't know why people are so Ununified wanting a unit of management vlan Uh, it's just not as necessary on unify because they work so much differently than other brands So I may do a video on that um Because there's a lot of confusion on it. So it's there's a attack vectors present in sysco And good reasons to have management vlan david bonba did a video about how to attack certain aspects between the trust between the switches That's not an issue with unify. They don't work the same way. So the management vlan is not as Cool, put the device somewhere else But it's not as necessary to lock all the devices down that way because there's not the same attack factor Someone's gonna flame me going but sysco says everything has to have a management vlan Well, if you have the security flaws that sysco has and you yes, you need to management vlan for things um, check out david bonba's video on uh I think it's a vlan hopping video. It's how he breaks It's easy enough to find hacking sysco videos. Uh david bonba has a few resources on it There was another channel that did the same thing. He was really strange Huh could be Could be i'm assuming you're referring to the unify sponsored thing Looking at great poe powered interface friction on tana use just use a power injector I don't think maybe i'm wrong, but i'm not aware of many firewalls that are going to have poe on the firewall So just use a power injector for it What are your thoughts on home assistant for home automation hub? I even really play with it. Um, I mean I have home assistant. Um, I turn lights on and off with it. So You know, you got to talk about it line is tt video. Yeah Uh, not john hamond, uh, that is john hamond is a different friend of mine. He's a cyber security guy He's awesome. He works for huntress. He's a threat researcher Uh, john hamond has his own youtube channel if you're into threat hunting And seeing how he hacks stuff wonderful videos to watch You haven't talked about the void company in a while We are still friends with my friend ray from o it void and that's uh, who we use there. So yes You know hostify could sponsor i've given him a lot of free airtime Riley's riley's great over with hostify no complaints there at all. Um I have an affiliate link with riley. So i've always been clear with that So if people sign up using my affiliate link, hey, I get a commission off that so Kind of related affiliate links are a form of sponsorship in a way. So yes Oh, it was cool. He talked about how much of a family all that's great. That is good to hear I it's tricky doing in-person events and things like that. That's why I mentioned these ones I will already be at because you know, I I don't feel so even if me and chris got together With maybe a couple of our youtubers. Is there enough to really draw someone to a place? But if i'm already going to be at somewhere like gherkon or it nation Hey, come out and see come out and say hi. I know in the it professional services world There's a lot of people that follow my channel. So that's why I mention these and uh You know say where I'll be so if people want to meet me and they're already going to be at these events That'd be awesome supply chain money limitation cyberjerk and unify wi-fi 6 ap customers that builds a brand new wi-fi network Yeah, I don't think there's any problems on that. I'm aware of so yeah lone wolf diy channel another cringe worry possible by unify marketing I think I heard of that one. It's been a while since I looked at it. Is this still a thing? Ray and oit VoIP is awesome. Yes, we're a reseller for oit so Linus pf sense video I seen he's replacing his internet or something. I assumed it was pf sense I don't usually watch his videos that are not very they're not usually Deeply technical so I don't watch a lot of Linus videos Um, I'm aware of them. I got no problem with Linus. It's just not what I watch Is there a linux alternative for better compatibility? Hmm, maybe untangle there's not as many linux firewalls There was like a variety of them for a while and I think all the projects kind of I don't know which ones are well kept now There is Bios, but I mean that's more command line driven. It's not necessarily everyone's cup of tea So there are other projects out there. You're probably looking for something with a nice web interface untangles out there But untangle, I mean they only have they have a home user version. They don't even really have a free version But they are linux based It's funny because there used to be so many of them and market just kind of shrink and many of the projects weren't maintained and well, that's where you're now I'm running that data by finding challenging configure alerts in a way I don't get flooded with emails minor creation cpu to ship You know, I may reach out to them Not as a sponsor but to bring them on to talk about tuning it because they've made a lot of progress in there And maybe it might be fun to talk with the experts on a tuning video on how to do that with with net data So yeah, I like net data. It's sometimes tricky getting it tuned Yes, see I do know that because people messaged me Tom He didn't because he had a problem with the driver and open sense is based on free bsd 13 and it had the driver So yes, and I I would have went with my own preferences Due to documentation and the advanced use cases I prefer pf sense But if you have that card and he had the option of getting a card that was compatible But he didn't so he chose to go with open sense I prefer pf sense. It's well documented. Well supported the fewer updates to pf sense That they value stability over constantly having updates Well, I have to keep a lot of systems maintained. We have to manage a whole lot of firewalls So when pf sense has a release they release it at the same time not staggered Therefore it becomes a project when there's a new release for us to go and update all the firewalls Open sense kind of has lots of releases and lots of updates That's great for cutting edge and homelab people But when you have a lot like many businesses that have many locations sometimes and you have to keep a bunch of firewalls up to date That just makes it more work. Um, yeah Yeah, he didn't have the advanced use case like he's just way in and things like that so Open wrt. I haven't used that in a while. I can't really speak to the current status of that project. So Unify is really hurting for nvr equipment and newer cameras. Yeah, that's a challenge with them. Um It's kind of a problem I I seen the updates that unify is doing to the latest like new cameras and things like that But we still can't get a hold of the old cameras like I like the nvr system. We still use it I think it's wonderful but availability of it makes it hard to sell at scale and It's a good home user system probably more so than it is a Uh, commercial system and once you get into some of the larger commercial installs It doesn't have all those extra features that sometimes people require Hey, a small four person office 10 person office great works wonderful Um, I like it like it works good in our office For things and we have both we have a analogy and that I mean they made it easy to use But that's kind of their thing. They make it easy to use and it stops there It's only this easy to use and that's it And that's one of the things that they're very, um I don't know particular about like they kind of like how apple it has these features You want more? Well, don't use our product use a different product I kind of did this one. I was talking about the unify vpn video where they went really far on ease of use more so than Of functionality and they you're it's very rigid So to say that unify and watch my unify vpn video where I give you all the details They have wire guard. They have open vpn. They implemented them in a very unique way. So The hack says control now. Yeah Where's the lauren systems career page? Oh, uh, just fill out the form under things that says hire us. So Yeah, unify is a networking company with the lack of decent vvpn options. I agree I don't understand like they just made weird choices. Um Would you want to unify a wall product for your office? I have no interest in that for my office Uh, do you just push pf sense logs to gray log for better parsing and sometimes the pain trend dig through fire logs? Absolutely If we have a logging need it's going to get it's going to push pf sense to gray log That's just an easy solution that if the client has a logging need for things We have a logging need. So yes, that's exactly how we're doing it Yeah, uh back to the line as he was just replacing a super micro with a super micro. So Uh, if you work with cell cures and static ip's like for an lte any recommendations Uh, I think peplink has some options on there. They're not going to be cheap. Um, they're going to be kind of pricey Peplink is the only one that comes to mind. I think we've got a couple clients using that Uh, they're they're not cheap though at all. Um, it's yeah It's better to try and get whatever you can from local isps or wireless isps for some areas The support is rubbish. You would be correct in saying that. That's why we offer unify support what you do She had her to my website lornsystems.com Hey, you click the hires button at the top.  What tools do you use? Look at all this fun stuff warranty information all these little details We do a lot of support unify people go. I don't want to pay these crazy fees for, um Licenses like for maraki and unify says no problem. We have a product that doesn't have fees and licenses But we didn't hire a bunch of support engineers either. So Um And supports killer. I mean, it's one of the reasons we target so much Co-managed ITs. We don't really want to do help desk support because it's a pain Um, it's not what my interest is. There's someone out there going but you're missing it Tom You could hire 30 people and have them answering phones all day fixing printers and outlook and make a bunch of money And I'm like good someone please do that It's just not me I'll see uh, oh you have your fill warranty or made it but won't remove unify from my home Yeah, I we haven't seen I mean there's been a couple unvrs that probably failed and things like that but Overall, they're you know, I think they make a pretty good product once you know how to use them So that's definitely a thing I push pf sense log is to a free version of splunk. This is where I use it work paid version so I can learn on my lap Yeah, and that's fine too. Splunk is popular. I don't use splunk, but I don't have anything against splunk I've just chose to use gray log for everything, but splunk's good too Hey, Tommy make a video any typical msp stack and went to implement it currently. I'm starting a break fix it I already made that video. Uh, it is titled. Let me give you the exact well You go in the forums And I believe you can search things like Leave I have this in here There's a video and everything on it and it's called You're gonna drop it in here and bring it up in the forums It's in the chat link and it's easily found called the software that runs Lawrence technology services it msp business It's detailed out Um, it's pretty up to date. I think it's like from um, it's from april and Other than maybe the backups have changed and I'll edit that I'll maybe add a comment or on there because we're currently using msp 360 for backups But yeah, this is in our this isn't our forums is easy enough to find Do you still like synology surveillance station nine? I really like synology surveillance station nine. I think it's great Uh, I will have this video done tomorrow. I've got it so close to being done Uh, I was having some fun today.  This was the I tweeted this too. Um Someone's gonna laugh. I did Yes, that is a I want to see if it could recognize a disembodied head and it does shocking, right? So replay that But yes, uh, it it didn't know who this person was But I've got that on there. I knew who this person was It wrecked it tells you um, I don't know recording the play. Why not? Oh, I must have deleted it But uh, I was playing with this too. I got the face database set up it. Um We've been using this for a while now. I wanted to I wanted to review this but not just review it I wanted to review it over time so I've actually had it plugged in for almost two months because I If you want the question answered and I use this already I use a different model This is specifically their dva deep video analytics model So I'll have the full review of their dva model on there too And I'm gonna do a separate video for getting started with Synology Survey in station nine. So Uh, I still need to serve a pf sense for self hosting like cut it off from everything. Um, I already have Videos on how to set up like the network you just take what I Did there and it would be um so pf sense home So if you watch my video for doing pf sense for home Time here for more systems and he really it's called a basic set up a configure since firewalls from home now within there And uh, it's going to be where I discuss How to do it because if you look at how you camera systems, it's the same thing It's a server isolated from everything else simple as that. So that rule set works fine too ninja, yes I'm networking a lot and doing some small gigs for people. I know I want to become an msp asap breakfaces isn't just that rewarding Yeah, there's a lot to do there Uh, what do you think of elk stack for logs? I haven't used it But it's a nice it's a nice system I've played with it. I still like gray log gray logs my favorite and by the way it has uh elastic on the back end If you move customers from unifier protectis analogy that probably Not all the time Uh Maybe it could have happened. We've sold a lot of systems. So there's probably at least that more than once that that may have happened Uh, but it's a complete swap. That's why we don't usually do it Usually once they're on the unify path, they just stay with unify because it works and are used to using it. So You just want a simple shout out. Hey, matt k I just got done setting up home assistant on my nas configured to tell me Uh, if my mocky batteries below certain something to get home and send a message saying feed me more electrons That is a proper use case for that for sure What do you use for companies email or do you self-host either g-suite or We we're google workspace. I still call it g-suite google workspace or office 365 Uh, yeah, we're moving away from ninja backup. Um We're moving over to msp 360. We've been doing a lot of changes I like to wait till we use a solution for a little while before I do like a video or anything on it Hey msp 360 there might be a sponsor for us I think they want to sponsor things Uh, wouldn't be great if you can create another entity like lts media so you can separate youtube and sponsors Any else to shut not really It would be more complicated if I did that if I un-intertwined things I mean, well, it's not I own I own the company. So it doesn't really make a difference. Um, it would only add to my Uh, how hard it is to do the accounting So and I don't if there's something I really Um What do you call it? I really don't want to add to the complexity of my accounting. That's um So, yeah, there's not really a need to to do that part of it Big brother's watching. Yes Uh, ooh, I don't know anything about eu suppliers says I don't really deal with that. So I can't say much on that Uh, did you discuss setting a next cloud hga proxy encore yet? No I Don't think I have any video. I mean I I gotta do a new next cloud video But I've already got an hga proxy video. So there's no difference It's set up hga proxy get that part set up and it doesn't matter what service you point to next cloud It's good service. I'll run next cloud and time together.  And here's how you set up next cloud Have you thought if you play with mysterious vpn nodes? I don't know what those are I don't like things that are mysterious and vpn Step one don't use dead over mm Yeah, that's true Dead or mm. That's uh anything related to gasea Uh, just simple syslog server on linux. That'll work too syslog is great Uh, why'd you move away from ninja backups? Um, me and eric might talk about that. We we just found them Uh, doing the full image resource to be kind of a pain and that was what made us it didn't work as well Yeah, I can only imagine it didn't seem impressive in rmm. So, uh, see there we go Uh, 41 feature says a little basic deduplication isn't really a thing So when you're paying more storage you had a handful of issues that doesn't feel I feel like a complete product yet. Yes, eric is one of my engineers by the way, uh, who specifically Was helped spearhead that project of our migration up there. So eric is intimately familiar with it So, yeah, eric sums it up pretty good right there Me and eric because we have a lot of notes we might do some information of how we came to the conclusion to use msb 360 So, uh, I don't do videos on ninja next. That's not my skill set. So Why don't you just straightforward any other vendors make it clear whether or not endpoint finish backups either? Yeah, that's Yes Are you still using ninjas here? I am absolutely. We love ninjas in rmm So that is that works well Um This too, uh, by the way Well, let's go a step further. I'm now on the I'm going to be on the advisory board for ninja So I will be in austin texas at their advisory meetings. So yes, uh, I'm we're actually getting more involved with ninja rmm So full disclosure upfront on that. So yes Are you using free nascale in production? No Just no benizio for a while seems stable even in ha and redundant setups. I We had people contact us about true nascale in production problems. They've had with it. So um Yeah, that I issues, um Lots of people lots of weird stuff Wendell ranted about it recently about some of the bugs that are in it that are so glaring I know they just had another release. I got to look at it I didn't do a video on the release like I often do I I wanted to actually take the time to look at it because it's just kind of It's a lot of bugs and when there's a lot of bugs in a product I don't want to start recommending it for production I want to encourage home users to test it So I want to keep doing videos on it But even myself the performance issues and some of the bugginess was just I don't know I need I kind of got switched back to core because I have things I have to get done No, I have not taken a look at mysterium vpn Uh, do you find switches have separated tagged and untagged vlan on edge? Which is easy to configure and see which is which yes And this is very true ninjas very much listening to your community and we'll give them that they have a lot of stuff on there You know, this is something I really want to do is uh follow up on my own 45 drive server I started that video and it kind of got sidetracked and what I did was I'll show you how far I got See if I can find it I think I did a short video on it I started the process and then I got really distracted because we're rebuilding a bunch of things in the office so Yep, I don't even know where that is. It's somewhere buried in my collection of videos But yes, I am uh, certainly working on it So that's a um That's the thing. Where did that picture go of it? Or video I should say I rolled it out But video is coming soon. I want to do it. I spent a year So I want to do an update of video on it. It works great. Hey look here. We go You got up on the screen I was taking it out for some reason I don't remember what I was doing exactly so but I started recording a few clips for some b-roll and uh That's where it stopped So The script is started some of that started it works great, but not done yet That's that's the status of the updated video, but I am doing one Is there any particular questions? Let me know that you want answered in there Yeah, no central dashboard is why we can't use uh synology. That's their big hang up I have talked to the synology engineers. I was like guys We have a lot of businesses that we manage if you were to put this all on a central dashboard I would just switch to synologies and buy a bunch of your equipment They're like we'll work on that. Yeah, that was spent like a year ago. I told them that so Uh So this is the thing people ask this best practice according to it people No, no, no best practice according to sysco and uh, they're parroting sysco. So, uh Go vlan d8 So I think It's this video here Let me pull it out And drop it a link in it for you guys now This is just one of those things that people You learn one four connections to your access ports, but I'm not going to let that stop me Avoid using vlan one for your access ports is the first thing he says this is david bumble And he breaks down in good detail Using scapey with python and shows you how to get in there This is a problem with sysco. He's using a current sysco system that has these flaws in it So sysco says and very correctly. So do not share this the way unify works. Think about this for a second The unify management works across the open internet without a vpn hostify the company hostify with 300 000 plus devices They're not on management vlands. They can't they're using hostify in the internet They didn't vpn all 3 000 devices back to the hostify system It works across the public internet because they use an encrypted layer for communication on the management of this That is why It's not as relevant for unify and people will definitely tell me i'm wrong on this. I'm fine with that But nonetheless It's just the way things work. It's very important for sysco But less an issue with unify because you can host the controller publicly across the public internet. The encryption is From the device as it beacons out now There are some bugs that have been found in the adoption process because there's a common password used during the adoption process But once the device is adopted and there's ways to mitigate and be around that It's only the off chance that a man in the middle would somehow discover the default password and Take over your device while you're getting it adopted. It's it's an edge case. I believe was fixed with the firmware um So that's why people always say but you need a management vlan No, sysco needs a management vlan. Maybe other devices too. I'll bring up sysco because they're the big dog In a popular product, but as david points out in his video He shows how to get around that and why you should not have the sysco on a non management vlan sysco does things differently so and this is where making a product later gives you an edge The engineers at unify said well, we're not going to do it that way and sysco is like well We've been doing it this way since telnet was the thing and so here we are Sysco does it their way and unify says we'll do it a better way because we're going to have this different use case Uh, do you still fill the 45 drives all 20? Terabyte drives. No, it doesn't have 20 terabyte drives in it. Um, what is in it? I forgot now But let's pull it up. That's the best part. We can just log in everything here I'll log into it and tell you exactly what drives we have. It's not full if anyone's wondering about that so Bring that up in here Uh status Size drives are these Oh, I didn't even say I think there's 16 terabyte 14 terabyte or 12 terabyte drives. I'm trying to remember but nonetheless, we have uh 237 terabytes of storage in here. I thought it told me the size of the drives. I guess not Oh, there they are 12.7 terabyte drives. Oh, yeah 14 terabyte drives or no 12 Yeah, that that number right there I can't I can't move flip screens Uh, we do have another Yeah, we need to build an exabyte array. There we go Best practice according to it people. Did you turn it on and off again? Yes Of course we do Uh, if you're at your my playhouse, I got a cease and desistent nostalgia for making videos about a rack mount nas he has Uh, I don't know why they would send him a cease and desist There's some context missing because uh I I can't think of a I mean unless I don't know I don't know why you would do it. So Yeah Hard math 14 terabyte is 4 17th. That's the that's the numbers. I was wanting to say 14 terabyte and 12.79 usable I actually am waiting for access in the build of new data center They told me they'd invite me down there and do some video.  So Uh, and this is probably a better idea. Why not have your default management? VLAN tag all VLANs for users. Yes, that's probably better to do it that way Please make a backup 360 video. Yeah, we'll look at that What are your thoughts on this knowledge you'd like to backup for business and doing backups or vms Best of all robust licenses as long as you bought psychology The problem I have with it is the lack of a central dashboard like it for an individual person. It's great I use it for a business to manage backups for 75 separate businesses It's not great. Doesn't have a dashboard. Um, I don't have time to log into 75 different sites each day to see if the backups worked I don't know why they don't have a central dashboard. I told their engineers I'd love to see one, but they don't so here we are uh Put the Synology software and it's oh he well I don't know if you're running the x-penology software. I don't know where that falls Um, I guess it really depends on how you go and circumvent things Uh with them. I I don't know where the trouble falls into or not. So I'm okay Um, so yeah, I'm not really I don't know enough context there Uh, do you have an experience with a cloud key battery? Let's span replacement on those batteries.  There's not a lot you can do about it. So Are you aware? Sure. We're two controllers. Just ask multi path competitor. That's often compared to more expensive storage option, but they Have redone controllers true nas sells a ix system sells a model with redundant controllers So the ix system m50 is what you're looking for Uh, so yes from ix systems. You can get hardware with redundancy in it Uh, if not unify what switches would you consider deploying? You know Some of the sysco stuff's okay. So is the aruba sysco in aruba They make a couple business line switches that are okay. They work. Um, we've used them. So The m50 is really nice for sure Uh, let's see What are you and xavier gonna get back together on video? I don't see that happening anytime soon xavier He's just busy and doesn't really says he doesn't really have time for it. So I still chat with him But he's it's low on uh his list of to-dos so I wish pf sense had a management interface for managing multiple pf sense devices. Yeah, they're nice. They don't but cool if they did Do you recommend passing drives to xcp and g instead of hba? Uh I guess I don't know the context of your question. So that's not an easy one answer Couldn't you do a static route from pf sense enable the dashboard? Well, it comes down to I mean That's another way to do it. You could you could pass through the vpn To pf sense have static routes to get them working. So yes, um There's ways to do it that way At some point I don't I don't know I don't find the information in the unified dashboard all that useful So I don't it doesn't matter to me. I like the unified system. I but I don't really Care like I just don't I don't know there's nothing about too exciting to me. Um, it's not the most actionable information. So Uh, let me switch to my well, we can do it here. I think where it was is the office one Like I'll look real quick before I throw it up on the screen like I have what I need to see I want to look at these or if I want to look at the different uh statistics or devices that are attached client devices Topology I can see this is our office, you know, I'm able to see these things and we don't have a udm So the information I'm looking for is here um I don't have a udm and I'm fine with that. But if you want and if I need to look at something like, uh Maybe this one here ports Like I think they do a nice job All the things I care about are right here to give you some insights You can see some of the traffic as it was going across. So lots of cool fanciness without the udm So I don't like I said, it doesn't it's not I don't feel like I'm missing out much through to true nas Do you have any program for managing multiple pf sensors?  I'll have to make sure I get these Um, thank you Alexi for sending me these. These are some uh hacker badges that I need to put together So hacker badges are cool You can monitor pf sense with xavix. That's correct It's not going to do any updates or management But it will give you a dashboard to show you all the pf sensors connected But it doesn't really give you a lot of functionality I need help choosing manifestations, uh for new hospitality service network clients high-risk forums Uh, well, here's the thing. Do you want to see what we'll reply for free? Or do you want to buy consulting with one of our engineers? If you want to buy consulting with an engineer you hire us if you want an open discussion where you'll get I There's a good amount. I mean, there's 7 000 people in my forums. You may get some responses So see if you post in there you may find what you're looking for awesome if you're looking for You know more in-depth Q&A directly with one of our engineers one-on-one personal time then hire us You know, we have both options But you'll find a lot of information in our forums and it may be enough for you So maybe try the forums first if you don't give what you're looking for out of the forums Then uh, go ahead and post over you know or hire us for something So we're really open about all that we you know, we try to Be as accommodating as possible, but I won't lay out and plan things in depth in the forums I'll answer a couple questions And I've thought about doing a video about how to post in forums because some people post the wall of text And they post seven paragraphs to ask about a hard drive and I actually dm'd one person like I The reason no one's responding to you is because I'm not even clear out of all these paragraphs what your question is Um, so, you know, if you're concise, hey, what about this switch or this switch? Does anyone have experience with them? You may get an answer and maybe exactly what you're looking for start with small chunks so they're more consumable Been trying to get my boss switch unified switching, but there has been a lack of support Hey, lots of people are uh, that's why we became the support people for doing unified stuff Like to see open source os on switches. Yeah, maybe one day. That's not today It's a safe to upgrade core to scale. I've had trouble with the free bst neck cloud app basically Uh, I want to switch to a linux version. You may find more problems with the linux version. Um Q windows rant recently on that topic So hold on. This is my daughter Hello child. I'm doing a live stream. Are you on the way to the house? Uh, I might so I'll just leave you money where it's accessible Okay, sorry. I forgot it was Thursday. Oh, no problem. All right Later, bye My daughter is in need of some money. So that's why I take the call Uh Can you say what your rates are? Yeah, they're published on our website That's that's where our rates are if you head to the highest button you click on it You will see our rates in full view. Well, you see where we start at I mean we start at 200 an hour right now as of August 18th 2022 and they go up from there. So Probably most of the standard consulting and this is the Eric's doing right here Um, and we'll pull up our system if I try to make this because some uh, what I like to do is without You having to dig or call? Um, because if you think we're too expensive, that's fine But you know that before you ever engage with us is publicly posted on our website We put that right in our FAQ on our rates and billing. So yeah, we try to make that really good Yeah, we make that We're we're as transparent as we can be that's an important thing about me as a company how we do everything I'm not just open source advocate because I like to be able to see the code I greatly enjoy being able to say publicly everything I can about how we do things Transparent in our process transparent about the things we use because I want to ultimately teach people about things not keep things obscured Or mysterious in any way. So Hopefully that makes sense In the last three months about the udmsc Six lr 10 cameras three switches and loving the new system Make its way where I have to add a netgate firewall for vpn, you know another option I've talked about this on the channel is things like tail scale and You know, this is one of those things where the udm may fit exactly your needs You're like, well, I could just use tail scale or zero tier As an option and then you're not relying on the firewall for the vpn and life is good And you've solved the problem you have for connectivity without having to you know, put it through the firewall Especially the udm. Maybe the udm firewall vpn implementation isn't up to snuff for what you need to do. So that's kind of how I um That's why I have a lot of other suggestions and a lot of other options that you can Do for all these things See what else what else we're winding it down because I got an event to go to um Oh, not a dumb question. Most people don't post on our website. So it's actually you're probably surprised to learn It was on the website. I don't think it's a dumb question at all. So Uh I've been trying to get the next thought instance that up forever. Um, I have trunas core. It can run virtualized um Yeah, it's just lots of things It's still a lot to get that working and set up Uh, hey, what companies say you're pricing but you have to go back and forth with their salespeople over the five days I get why some companies do it. Um, it sometimes makes sense from their perspectives It's also like if they're a company Like if it's a product we're reselling some of those companies are really strict under channel partner program My preference is they have an option For you to buy and for example, um, we're a 45 drives partner You can go to 45 drives and get some rough pricing on things that they have published on there So you will know when the ballpark point you're at but As a partner we get a discount on some of those things So even if you've seen the price in 45 drives, we're able then to come on and still sell it to you for that price Or possibly lower than you've seen it for 45 drives as a partner. They're just an example of a company that does that I think that's a good way to do it. Uh untangle does that as well untangle has public pricing on how their firewalls are We're a reseller. We can sell it to you for the same public price. Um, that's part of the reseller agreement I think companies doing it that way is uh, really good Uh, do we set up database clusters? No Uh, unify hardware is a standard unify hardware is a standard consulting rate. So general networking things like unify It's it's when you get into large-scale storage consulting and virtualization consulting that it usually goes up But most of the stuff is our what we call standard rate consulting, which is, you know, your network stuff with unify and uh pf sense Corrupted data. Well, it still runs on zfs. So I haven't really seen data corruption problems with scale I've mostly seen not working problems with scale when it came to the networking on it Uh back to window from level on text kind of ranted in one of his recent videos about the networking being bad. So yes Oh, yes the unify mesh tube. I'm so much closer to testing it. It has moved closer To my keyboard. So which I you notice I didn't reach very far for it This is how things get closer and closer to me for testing. So That's I'm almost there. I really want to get that tested next week I have a few more things that I have a backlog of that I want out Um, I got to finish the sysco video. I just don't know. It's just gonna be I'm stuck on I figure out how I'm going to do it. Um, do I keep bugging sysco to solve all the slieness with it? Or I just do it as is and say this is the status of the problems I had I don't got time to go back and forth the engineers To solve a problem to demo a product I want to give them a fair shake To give an honest and in-depth review, but I also don't have time to Go back and forth with engineers on why it doesn't connect Oh, let's see Yes, pf sense can do lacp I love eric's idea we but actually Red Bull tell me this isn't a red bull can I uh, we're gonna see if I can de-skin. I'm gonna cut apart a red bull can and put it around this. Um That's gonna be cool I think I think eric's on a right track here red. We're doing red bull mesh So and by the way can red bull sponsor? It is is the perfect red bull can look at this Uh, this is This is my review of the red bull, which I don't know the different flavors very well Yes, we're we're gonna call it red bull can I I'm all for this. Sorry. Now you guys have helped me out with the review on this now I'm excited because I want to review the red bull can That's a good point, too That would be fun is to have dbrand send weird things out as a sponsor Yeah Beer can skins But I'm gonna wind this down because I am going to an event that I have to leave shortly for so that's a thing that I'm going to next Uh Any final questions? I'll give you five minutes for the rapid question session here If there's any final questions before I sign off here I'm wondering did my wife come home? Yes, my wife is so I'm cool. So I thought I heard someone come in the house so 34th ID red bull who ah is Is quitting any channel worth there? Do I need uh Doing a side better money is not the problem but getting a job after quitting might be harder Uh, that's a good. I don't know. I've been unemployed for 20 years. So that one's really hard Uh, David did well David connect me with Cisco.  So yes, that's a challenge uh Samal alternatives. I I don't know ldap. I That's gonna need a lot more context. That's better forum posts So state state your goal and it's usually it's like the problem of I want a completely alternative authentication In uh infrastructure Well, does the thing you're trying to authenticate support it? Well, no, I said, well then we stopped there Um, so it's a whole different problem Would it be giving out lts stickers on the event day? I should do that. There we go Uh, is there an easy way to do master to master d duplicator So you guys virtual machine copies of high ability to xcg or some other high-pressure. I don't think so Uh, you could store them on true nas and set up deduplication When I started my own tit company, I lined up some side gigs for I quit the job. Um Yeah, I mean it kind of depends on your path if you can do that. So Watch loan wolf diy see if I can make it through a video. All right. Let me try that. So Yeah, that's definitely Uh You know jay from learning x tv did one I may do one on true nas, but jay from learning x tv's got a really good next cloud video he released this year Um, that's more detailed than I can go or or willing to go.  I'm fine. I don't know if you'll recognize my autograph I mostly just scribble on things so It's not really an autograph. It's just kind of me scribbling. I don't write much. Oh, I must share this with people So I was at that event and this is the cool thing I got is who remembers Uh These pens with all the different colors. This is from arctic wealth. I'll give them a a shout out for having a cool swag Uh, but man, I love this swag I if I want to give something out it's going to be this because I've got all the different colored ink pens in one pen This is like High school for me man or or a grade school probably Uh, but yeah, this is cool. I've been fiddling with this a lot too It gives me an opportunity to both fiddle and draw in many colors Uh Jedi master q&a youtube channel idea okay I don't know. I thought that's what this is. It's just well. I don't know about Jedi master, but definitely, um Definitely q&a. That's why these are all q&a's that's why I put it I know I can't stop clicky clicking on it. It's just it's addicting It's just clicky clickies and colors This is this has been on my desk for 24 hours of messing with it Like I just wandered around with this thing and I even I don't think I've done anything with it as far I don't does it even write I've not tested this was picked green Green rights we're gonna pick. Oh, it's got purple So yeah, so that isn't even showing up. Uh, if I hold the right angle it doesn't get blown out so but Yeah, cool. It's got colors. It's got orange. I'll sign things in company orange All that's neat. All right. Now. I'm just goofing off. You've not used it. Yeah I have I really don't use a pen I I sign things digitally. That's yes Uh, what camera do I have on my students? It's a sony 1400 maybe so Yeah Got every distraction. I can possibly imagine. I have a lot of the internet is my distraction But thank you everyone for joining. Thank you. Everyone was here if uh, you're someone who was hearing I'm gonna see you at itina d. That's my next stop. 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Spring is sprung Let's welcome into the show it is Ivan here with you and it's a Friday evening and What a day what a day it's been a busy one Thanks everybody for all our support all day. Of course.  Yeah, I'm good. I see it's just I've always just wanted to say that now So I'm just there you go. There you go. So Keith you're keeping good. I'm keeping great I was talking to you earlier on we were down. I see I was down on the mic I did be sitting down there today. So it was great. It was great to see so many people there Yeah, and the the gyms that were putting it first.  Yeah. Yeah about something else, but he was on the bike twice. So I think he's counting his two cycles You know We're still looking for people to donate donate donate, you know just go on the website, isn't it? Yeah So I was listening to Sean just before the news we've surpassed what we've set out to get but We want to get more. Okay, people haven't had a chance all day to donate We're gonna keep the donation line open all weekend as well So we're hoping the 25 grams the target. We're trying to get over the weekend now as well So you're listening in. Excellent. I want you to donate while you're listening website www.highlandradio.com and of course we're supporting Jigsaw, Donegal, Breast Cancer, Centre Northwest and also the Irish wheelchair association every donation counts So Keith. Yeah, that's good. So it gets us together. Hi, this is it This is it. So I'm just gonna we chat with you for a while the guys hopefully gonna come on later on as well Joe Dexter, I know Joe has been really busy today. He's on the technical end But he's gonna come up later on Marty Fried as well. Hopefully gonna come up But we're just gonna play a lot of music do a bit of chatting and reminisce I suppose 34 years I was saying to Greg today, I was chatting 34 years. I did the first 17 Uh-huh, and then I stepped back. Yes, just to the weekends and it's 17 years now that since you took over for me Yeah, you just said that I know I was kind of I never figured it out that way Well, it's pretty cool. It's something about meant to be for this show then 1717 burn itself Well, and I will just you know, I can't let the the occasion go by Without mention Henry McGowan. Yeah, yeah, of course. That was me and Henry at the start Yeah, and he was tragically killed in August 1990 So then I then I got the five days a week.  So that's a day like today that we remember I was listening to Donal and canis and Tommy Earlier on You know like the likes of listen Brenda Maxwell Pio Paki and you know so many others Donald Hardy and them It's a nice day to just remember some of the stories. Well, you have to remember, you know, but at the same time, you know We have to keep on the one And the music has changed a lot since 1990 My memory I was trying to figure out a memory of 1990 I started in 91, but I remember when I was just 15 years old that you were doing a Saturday show Yeah, it was like a sports. I don't know much sport was on it, but there was definitely music not as much as that Yeah, and I sort of expressed an interest in becoming a DJ and for a play to use this Come on up. Have a wee look see what you think and you used to pick me up outside the Sweet Factory get a nice wee red car at the time She was a beauty she was a beauty but I got a great education on music you were playing, you know, we boxed right And it had obviously all vinyl it was a vinyl LP seven inch singles 12 inch singles Some of the artists, you know, like Bob Seeker and Brian Adams and Prince and all these kind of guys that I hadn't really I was so young, you know, but like that's why I got a good music education and I'm always a great focus, you know It was me start.  Yeah.  What were you there from the get go or a couple of months into it? No, I think it was that I think they started on the 15th of March And I could be wrong for feeling that was a Thursday. Yeah. And my first show was the Friday So I was there from there from there from the very very start. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  I was just because you know, just one of the things that I used to have people in Yeah, used to used to get new songs and get people in and I remember one night those One of the famous things that happened is that there's a fly lad at the desk and I hold on a month And I went to, you know, thumping in the way and I knocked the station Those moments you always remember But I used to have people in like John Mansfield from Boston. Oh, yeah, and it's cousin Donnie, I think from Scotland and a couple of the Kelly boys Excuse me and McDays used to want me used to play new songs and review them. What do you think of this song? What do you think of that song? You know when it was all yeah You were learning as you as you as you were working, you know, but I mean what back then you had to go into You know, I was in touch with people in in Derry, Straban, Dublin and that to get the new songs It's not like do you go on Spotify and the new songs are out. It's you know, it's instant. Yeah And you probably remember that yourself. You're going on to get the songs to get there first, you know Yeah, you're getting a 12 inch White label that hadn't come out for three months But you know, if you had it in your possession that you couldn't copy it for anybody. It was just you Well, I remember sorry because I remember a younger DJ I met him one night at a party a few years ago And he was going oh, you know like the power Brought dance music to Donnie go. Yeah. Yeah, you know and that because we as I say it's not like Spotify and that now that Yeah, that is instant you and I and Derek O'Connor and boys and We were getting the songs and then we were playing them here and that's how people knew them Yeah, yeah, and I think we're probably ahead of a lot of even Dublin and likes that there was a certain sort of dance tunes things up here that wasn't you know Maybe down the country as much so no, I definitely think and even the night clubs, you know Which sadly have gone there have gone goodbye at this stage. I think most of them I think the night clubs we had up here were as good if not better than any night club Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for sure for sure. Okay, so we're gonna talk lots more But we're gonna play some music as well because that's what we're here for so let's go for a I was thinking of 1990 1990 some summer Italian 90. Yeah