And you're all very welcome. My name is Paulie Marcy. And I'm sure you will all wish to switch off your mobile phones before we begin. I'm very happy to have as our guest today Dr. Sven Biskup, who is the director of Europe and the World Programme in the Egmont Royal Institute for International Relations in Brussels. He's going to speak about EU-extended relations in an age of great powers. When you think of great powers as was today, you think of the United States and China. Russia probably doesn't figure among great powers any more except in the sense of having a large nuclear capacity and a permanent cease and discursive constant with the United Nations. But EU-extended relations have indeed become more, shall I say, topically on the agenda in the last couple of years with the rise of China and the greater consciousness that the rise of China is not unproblematic necessarily for all of us. And above all, with the election of Donald Trump and the uncertainty that he has brought to play in regard to the role that the United States will play as a great power in the world system. So Dr. Biskup, we look forward greatly to hearing what you have to say. And you have the floor. Thank you and thank you for the invitation. It's going to be a veritable Belgian week in Dublin because we will be hosting Baron Frans Van Dalle tomorrow and then on Thursday and Friday, my colleague, Alexander Matla, is speaking at an event at the Belgian Embassy organized. So I'm just the appetizer. Certainly vis-à-vis Frans Van Dalle, I can be no more than that. But I hope that if the appetizer is tempting enough that then you will enjoy the rest of the dinner even better. One word maybe about my employer, Egemont, the Royal Institute for International Relations, is one, the think tank with the longest name relative to the number of people who work there. Two, is the think tank that is associated with the Belgian foreign ministry, but it's not a part of the ministry. So I don't speak on behalf of the kingdom. The kingdom most of the time is good enough at creating trouble for itself, so I don't need to add to those troubles. So what I'm about to say, you can hold against me but should not hold against the kingdom and certainly not against our ambassador, who is sitting there to correct me whenever I'm wrong. I also teach at the University of Hent, and I do a lot of teaching for European diplomats and military officers from all member states. And it's these changing audiences, I think, that this is the fun in our line of work that we always get different inputs, different reactions to one's ideas, it allows them to sharpen and to improve them. So I look forward to what you will have to say about my proposals. All I want to do is say something very briefly about how I see the international context in which the EU has to operate and then address three sets of questions. How do we relate to the great powers? When I'm in an optimistic mode, I say the other great powers. What's the place of values in EU foreign policy and what is the place of the military instrument? So the context without being very theoretical because I'm more of a think-tanking academic than a university academic, I think we're sort of back to normal. When you look at the history of world politics, normal means multi-parity, there are various great powers. They cooperate yet at the same time they compete. I would say there are probably three and a half great powers today. As you said, without any doubt, there is the United States and China. I would still come Russia among them but though I agree they don't have global reach anymore, perhaps the regional power is somewhere in the middle and then there's us, the Europeans, who I think could be a great power in the sense that we could have influence on global politics if only we wanted to but we're not quite sure that that is what we want. So I think the key question that will shape world politics for some time to come is how these four great powers see the world. Perhaps in the future there will be more others. People often ask me what about India, for example, but I don't think anybody in this room would hold that India shapes world politics today. Perhaps if they wanted to, they could build up to that but not now. So for the moment it's these four. So do they see the world as a place where they can cooperate and share power or do they see the world as a place where they have to compete and grab more power at the expense of the others? That I think is the defining question. And that question I think leaves Europe more uncomfortable maybe than the others because we're no longer used to thinking in these terms even. And that's because of course inside the union this doesn't matter. All these old fashioned concepts, power, geopolitics, spheres of influence, we didn't have to care about it anymore. I don't know if my prime minister goes to a European council meeting and tries to make a point whether or not he will be hurt. Does not depend on how many tanks Belgium can put into the field which is just as well because the answer is no. The last Belgian tank cannot be admired for a small fee in the Royal Army Museum. There you go. But of course in the world around does these things still matter? And I'm definitely not going to argue that we should also again adopt classic great power politics but I'm going to argue we need to understand what's happening around us or we will forever be surprised. So within this context then what do we do? First of all, how do we relate to the other great powers? When you take the subway in Beijing they don't say mind the gap as they do in London but there's a nice voice that keeps saying stand firm and hold the handrail. Stand firm and hold the handrail. And I thought that's sort of good advice even in my field because you know with all the turbulence there is in international politics stand firm which also means don't immediately lie down and give up all your ideas and values and hold the handrail. And Europeans have a handrail because we have our alliance with the United States. I mean that broadly not just NATO for those who are in NATO but our overall strategic partnership with the United States except that the fittings seem to have loosened. And so we're probably again more uncomfortable than the others. So how should we position ourselves in this new great power game? I think there's some risk here precisely because we have been allied with the United States for so long and for a long time we didn't really have to think all too much about strategy and certainly Washington did not recommend us to think for ourselves. We were there to implement strategy as it was fashioned in America and I think the risk is that unwittingly perhaps we still adopt the American worldview for lack of our own if we don't come up with our own thinking and for me this relates specifically to China. In the American debate the predominant view is that China is an adversary or even the enemy and if you're an American strategist and your aim is to remain the undisputed number one one can understand where that comes from but if you're European is that necessarily true? Must China necessarily be our enemy? I'm not convinced at least not yet. It is not my feeling that China is trying to undo the world order because they've benefited greatly from it. They became very rich and powerful under the current system. They're of course trying to gain more mach de manoeuvre within the system but I don't think they are trying to overthrow them. It would seem to be quite foolish on their part if you ask me. I think China is doing what great powers do. It's pursuing its interests. That can cause friction with our own interests but sometimes the interests also overlap but I do not think that China is necessarily a revisionist power as some like to say and is trying to undo the world order. Therefore I think we Europeans would be better placed to engage with China and try to fit it into the existing world order of multilateral organizations and a set of rules that we try to convince everybody to abide to. Of course China is not a democracy. And engaging China doesn't mean justifying all of its actions nor does it mean subscribing to Chinese values or to its domestic politics. But I think here again is a certain risk that comes from past practice. Of course we've been ally with the United States mainly but that doesn't mean I think that you can only ally with other democracies. I mean NATO and Brussels they like to say we're an alliance of democracies and today that's true of course but it wasn't always true. When NATO was created in 1949 we included the Portugal of Salazar. Not because we thought Salazar was on the way to democratize Portugal but because we needed the Asaurus for the military bases and before that during the war in the UK and the US of course allied with the USSR because they were objective allies against Nazi Germany. If you go back in history before the First World War Republican France allied with Tsarist Russia not because they subscribed to each other's values but because they saw themselves as allies against the triple entals. So I think we should be careful that we don't begin to see the world through a true ideological lens and even EU documents are tempted by that. You very often can read even in EU documents that somehow world politics is about a confrontation between the democracies and the others. And I'm thinking is that really true? And are we really, is it really smart to encourage this perception? Because I don't think that the fact that another state is not a democracy Ipsofacto makes it impossible for us to partner with it. Let alone that it Ipsofacto becomes an adversary of that. I don't think that that is true. I fear that it's very difficult for us to democratize others even though it might be desirable and that we have to work with other countries. I don't think that to make a partnership or even an alliance in foreign policy you need to agree about values or you need to agree about your domestic political system. You need to agree about the number of foreign policy objectives and of course what are legitimate ways of pursuing those. And then you can build a very deep partnership in my view, including with China. And I think as a EU, this is exactly what we should try to do. And also in the future, hopefully again with Russia. Again, we should be careful not to see this through a too ideological lens. I was very surprised last time I was in the US that all my American colleagues were talking about Putinism. And I was thinking, what is that Putinism? The way they describe it, it sounded a lot like Trumpism to me at some point. But I mean, the guy is in power, Putin. He wants to stay in power. I'm not sure there is a lot more ideology to it in domestic politics, I mean. The danger is that once you convince yourself that Putinism exists, then the next step in the thing is of course it must be defeated. It must be destroyed. And I'm thinking, but is it really ought to be our foreign policy objective to bring down the government of Vladimir Putin? I'm not sure that it is. I think our objective should be to, for Russia to sort of play by the rules. If that can be done with Vladimir Putin, fine with me. It's up to the Russians to decide which kind of government that they want. Of course, for the moment, it's very difficult to cooperate because the Russians very often are their own worst enemy. Just when you think there might be a moment to slowly find a compromise, then things aren't being made impossible. For example, most recently by the Salisbury incident, but we don't have sanctions against Russia for the further sanctions. We have sanctions for the purpose of reverting to, let's say normal good neighborly relations. So my feeling is, as Europeans, our position is in this great power game that we should not choose sides. And the worst that could happen is that you crystallize a new bipolar confrontation between us and the Americans on the one hand and the Russians and the Chinese on the other hand. I think our foreign policy should be more Bismarckian in a way that we say we try to have close relations with all of the other powers. With the US, but also with the Chinese and in the future, hopefully again with the Russians. This is not a new Cold War. If countries join China's Belt and Road Initiative, they don't disappear behind an iron curtain and become inaccessible to us. We can also still have close relations with countries that join that. Whether they will be interested depends on us. Do we put an offer on the table? That's interesting enough for them or not. You could even say that from a third country perspective, the fact that they can now choose between relations with the Americans, with us and with the Chinese, is positive. They have more options, right? And we should also be careful not to become too hypocritical that we criticize the Chinese because they're now better at what we used to do ourselves, right? And very often if the Chinese do something, we look at it negatively. If the Americans do the same, then that's normal. Then it's a contribution to peace. So I would say engage with everybody, including with the Chinese, even try to build security partnership with China. Because I think to some extent, our security interests overlap. On the one hand, there's of course the South China Sea and that's the one big item that disturbs the more benign view that one could have of China. But at the same time, you can feel that they are the Chinese, I think are still somewhat uncomfortable with their role as a global security actor. They know that the principle of non-intervention that they held no longer applies because I mean that's easy to say if you don't have interests anywhere, but now there are Chinese citizens and investments everywhere. So they may have to act as they did in the Libyan war just to protect their nationals. But you can feel that they're still uncomfortable to do that alone, that they would rather act with partners under multilateral cover. I would say let's position ourselves as that partner. China is not going to go away. They are becoming a global military actor, whether we like it or not. Let's engage with them rather than sort of build up our defenses against them our priority. At the same time, of course, we should invest in our alliance with the United States. So this is definitely not a plea to distance ourselves from the United States. My argument is just that our partnership and alliance with the US alone in this multipolar setting is just no longer sufficient to defend our interests because Americans in this context logically have other priorities than Europeans. And sometimes even the interests can be contradictory. So we need our alliance with the Americans, but it is not sufficient to defend our interests. We also need to find partnerships and good relations with the other great powers and hopefully also with the original powers. Before anybody in the room now thinks that somehow I'm on the payroll of China, my husband actually is a Taiwanese. So there are strong, I do have strong reservations on certain aspects of Chinese policy, but I try to look at this especially from the point of view of interest, even though we often do discuss this at the dinner table. I always lose out since he can cook and I cannot cook. So it's in my interest to compromise. We're a bit like the EU and United States. He cooks and I do the dishes. So the great power relations and then this brings me to the second point because I'm sure by now some people have in the audience. I think, yeah, but what of our values then? If you're just cooperating with the powers that be. Here again, I think we must be more pragmatic in a way in the sense that I do not think that we have the power to democratize the rest of the world. I do think that democratization, if and when it happens, is always in our interest because role-functioning democracies create stability internally and among each other. And when democratization happens, I think we can try to support it, to amplify it, but I don't think that outside the continent of Europe we can trigger it. I think more often than not, we create more problems than we solve. And also if you say that the purpose of our foreign policies to democratize the world, and you're actually saying to more than half of the world's governments that you don't really like them, right?  And you're only talking with them, pending them being overthrown by someone whom hopefully you will like better and that that's hardly a good basis to build partnership on. So I think we should be honest with ourselves and say it is not our purpose to democratize the rest of the world. And it's tricky because you feel that the EU got cold feet. We had this debate to some extent when the EU was drafting the global strategy in 2016. But in the end it's as if we know that we cannot democratize the rest of the world but we're not quite ready to say it yet. And now the EU, the new buzzword is resilience. And I'm very critical of this term because it means everything and nothing. And then there's an EU communication on what resilience means. So it takes 15 pages to explain it which already is probably not such a good idea. And interesting, at one point they say, well, a resilient society is a democratic society. Which is probably true, but then we're back to square one because the EU only brought up the notion of resilience because it sort of realized we cannot democratize others. And now we're back to it. So here I find this rather fuzzy. I would say be more forthright, admit that you cannot democratize others. But at the same time, stay true to your human rights in general. Of course, in the end democracy and human rights have to come together. But I would say in practice you can sequence them. I do think we can legitimately maintain a critical human rights dialogue with all our partners because if we believe in human rights we have to believe in the universality. They're not universal rights, they're not human rights, but they are Irish rights or Belgian rights or whatever you want, or Flemish rights according to some of my compatriots. So I do think we can build on that. Of course, you cannot expect that everywhere you will create short-term results, but at least you put yourself on the good side. So to say, at least you provide moral support to people in countries such as China who are activists for human rights and you keep up the pressure, the pressure to some extent. So I would say we as Europeans must be able to cooperate with everybody, with every other actor, regardless of their domestic political system. You don't have to like them to cooperate with them. You have to have shared interests and agree on the way of pursuing them. The only red line that I would see is that by cooperating with regimes who are not democratic, that we cannot, by cooperating, ourselves violate our own values, right? They may do so. And unfortunately, we have to cooperate with actors that violate our values. The red line should be that we ourselves thus do not begin to violate our values. I like this line from George Kennan where he says at some point, something like in foreign policy, sometimes things are so complicated that it's very difficult to come up with a strategy or even to know what you want.  And there is a great zone always, of course, right? I mean, we cooperate, many of our intelligence services cooperate willingly with intelligence services from North Africa and the Middle East whom we know very well, do not respect our values. Our great ally in the war against Islamic State is Saudi Arabia, not precisely a great democracy. But I think it's sort of general guiding principle that would be my line. If we do have to say try and, I would not say export our values, but promote our values, the notion I would put forward rather than democracy is equality. On the one hand, because I think equality is central, is really central to what makes our societies the societies that they are, the idea that it's up to the state to ensure the equality of its citizens in terms of their security, in terms of their same political decision-making, but also in terms of their prosperity. I think that is very distinctive for the European way of life to use an American term that we think it's a responsibility of the government to make sure that everybody has a fair standard of living, even if true misfortune or even if your own folly, you don't reach it, then the state should make sure that you guarantee it. But also equality on the other hand is multifaceted. As I said, there's a political, security and economic dimension to it, so it gives you more flexibility to engage with other partners. That's a more pragmatic approach, but I think an approach that still allows us to remain true to our own values that doesn't force us to betray our own values, because that you can't do, I think. As an actor, you cannot long sustain a policy that violates your own values because it will cause frictions and in the end, our publics will not allow it. Final point, what is the role of the military then in all of this? And here too, we should be realistic. You have to say, one of my friends puts it like this, there isn't no hard power or soft power, there's only power. If you want to be powerful, you need to have military and economic and political power. The question is then, of course, for what level of ambition? And the global strategy introduced the notion of strategic autonomy into the European debate, but then we didn't exactly define it. And so on the one hand, there is a strong realization that we need to improve our military capabilities and we have now lots of initiatives that have been launched, permanent structured cooperation, the European Defense Fund, which have great potential. It's yet to be seen whether they will be successful because these initiatives will not produce results out of themselves. It will take sustained leadership and commitment to make them work. So they can still work. They can work, but it's not guaranteed. But the question is, but why do we actually want all of these military forces? And on that debate, I think it's not so profound that we have in Europe. The official line as well, we need to protect Europe. We need to respond to external crisis and we need to build the capacity of our partners. The last one is clearly, I have to say a task at the lower level than the others, right? But then the question is also, which partners were in the world? Responding to external crisis, the global strategy says yes, mostly in our own neighborhood, but is it then our responsibility to act in each and every crisis in Europe's neighborhood? Or not? And then why do we intervene and why not? Protecting Europe is that only against sort of non-classic threats because for a classic military threat of invasion, most EU member states are members of NATO. Or does strategic autonomy also extend to collective territorial defense? I think there's a lot of unknowns here that we haven't defined, which means that to some extent, initiatives like PESCO and everything that goes on in terms of capability building is taking place in a void. There's no clear link between the capability development and the actual strategic purpose. Personally, I see three tasks that we should set for our military. One protection of Europe indeed, and there's one part that falls below the Article V threshold of NATO that the EU is better placed to deal with. And in which the armed forces, I think, have a supporting role to play, but certainly not the leading role, if you think about cybersecurity, border security, counter-terrorism, et cetera, where you need to coordinate mostly civilian agencies. But I think that in the longer term, we should also think about the degree of autonomy in classic territorial defense. Again, because of this multipolar context, if the priority number one of American Grand Strategy is the rise of China, what happens if an incident with China distracts the Americans from the European theater, is then our deterrence capacity sufficient? Will it be perceived as such or not? I would say that in the long term, my sort of ideal future for NATO would be to configure it much more as a two-pillar alliance between a collective European club as such, I would say the EU as such, on the one hand, and the North Americans on the other hand, rather than as alliance between the US and all these individual European allies and partners. To responding to crisis in the broad neighborhood, yes, but I would say not to each and every crisis. I would say in military terms, we already need to intervene in crisis if they directly threaten European interests. If they don't, then we should not intervene militarily, even though the humanitarian concern might be great. We have political instruments we can use, we have economic instruments we can use, but we have seen in Libya, we intervened on the one hand out of a humanitarian concern and for political reasons and the end result is disaster. And I say that in the full measure, I strongly supported the intervention at the time, but with hindsight, which is always very easy, I think it was a mistake. And another counter-argument is, had we not intervened in Libya, what would have happened to us, to the Libyans unfortunately, but to us, and I would posit nothing much. So why did we intervene then? So I would say we need a very credible power projection capability, which underpins your diplomacy, but we should be more reticent in using it than we have been. And the third task I would set is that we need to contribute to maintaining the free use of the global commons because that's a vital interest too, free access to the ocean and seas and to space, airspace and cyberspace. That seems to me to be the three areas in which we need a degree of strategic autonomy. To conclude, all of this, I have to say, in some way, this is just my mirage, right? But the fun thing of being academic of course is that, I don't actually need to get this through parliament or get the budget for it, I can just write it up and go and talk about it. But it is a mirage because I've spoken, I see for the EU where a real great power, a real strategic actor and it isn't, of course, because we don't really have a centralized system for foreign policy decision making. And the foreign policy of the EU is not what Federica Mogherini says that it is. It's what Mogherini might perhaps convince 28, soon, unfortunately, 27 foreign ministers off, who then even if they do agree to do something, do not necessarily act upon it afterwards. So of all the great powers, we're the only one who is systemically handicapped because we don't really have a centralized foreign policy decision making system. That probably is exacerbated by the fact that they put it very bluntly, we have traitors in our midst, right? Every foreign affairs council, there's one, two or more member states who block European decision making or water down European positions because they are pursuing a Russian or a Chinese enchantment or both. And thus, perhaps get some short-term gain out of that, but in the long term, undermine the collective interest of everybody, including themselves. And that makes it very difficult to wage a resolute European foreign policy. So I would say the idea that's in the air now to move to qualify majority voting in European foreign policy, not defense policy, foreign policy would be the absolute minimum, in my view, to circumvent this problem and to try and become a more decisive actor. It's not a panacea, of course. You would still need someone to take the lead, but in the current circumstances, if you have the lead, if someone does take the initiative, it's very difficult to get something through. You know, grand strategies ought to be simple to comprehend, right? Klausowitz says everything in war, grand strategy is very simple, doesn't mean it's easy, but ought to be simple to explain. So my slogan for sort of all of this would be something like the power to engage. I think Europe's role in international politics is to engage the others and to try and engage the others in the multilateral system. But you can't do that from a position of weakness. You need to do that from a position of strength. And strength, I don't mean in the first place, military strength, but I mean unity in Europe. If we would say now, today, to the Chinese from our current position, we will accommodate the rise of China. The Chinese would say, yeah, of course, what else do you propose to do? And they will see it as a sign of weakness that we say that. But if you could say from a position of strength that we want to give China its rightful place in an existing rule-based order, then you can hope to achieve a result. Otherwise, the problem with this is that time is against us and that if you're not in this great power game, if you're not a player, then you're the theater on which the game of the others is playing out, which you already see to some extent how China and Russia are trying to gain influence in Europe's neighbors, but also inside the EU and the United States, of course. Or as someone else has put it, if you're not an actor, then you're on the menu, the others. So I think this is relatively urgent for us, unfortunately, to try and overcome this. Voila, I rest my case here and I look forward to all your thoughts on my outlandish proposals. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


What I have here is a ready to ship network deployment. Well, it's not getting shipped too far. Corey is actually going to be installing this This is one of our clients are installed so top to bottom something we own for one of our managed clients and this is for one of their locations and What I have here is a unify 16 port POE switch one two three four five unify AC Pro HDs and One neck gate firewall to be the head end of this now this network rather simple. It's actually going in an arena and What I have here is The whole deployment ready to go because we test everything in office Test it set it up configure it upgrade it see if there's any issues Randomly power cycle it we go through all the steps to make sure there's no problems and technically it's kind of a burn-in period From when we get it to the install date. We should just leave it set up and running That way we know because generally hardware and it's not always the case I know and there's no exact science of this But it does seem to fail frequently in its very earliest stages of deployment If you're gonna have a problem now knock on wood with unify We have had absolutely an excellent track record and we've never had one of these Devices fail out on us and that's pretty amazing But you know that this will reason to be like your product so much is because the reliability has been excellent We've some of these have been sold for you know years and obviously they're not something you turn off You leave your Wi-Fi and all the time and they've been up in ceilings running in offices that we've been deploying for a long time without any issues But I still like to test it I like to test it beforehand and we have no idea in one unit didn't adopt the first time we hit it Adopt we had to hit the reset button and it adopted that was weird. I Can't repeat the problem. I don't know what the error was. I don't know if the new guy because we had him Walking him through all this was it fault at all for one reason or another one didn't adopt after an upgrade Which like I said first time that's ever happened and it was obviously just click the reset And that's way easier to do before these that which are going to be mounted almost Oh 25 feet up in the air before they're deployed. It's always better to have them all up and adopted I could do it in post but probably not the most ideal way to do this That's because to get to some of these a man lift has to be rent rented and then used to put them up So if you're wondering what the blue stickers are this is part of the deployment process so the install and The installer may not be exactly the same person So our wiring team is going to go out and be doing the install We don't know exactly where each one of these will go So instead we just put numbers on them one two three four We put it with this blue tape because it's easy to peel the blue tape off as the installer Which is going to be courier in this place as he puts up each one. He'll name the location He'll be like unit three and it says three on it Was installed in you know East hallway and we have a map of all this And then he'll put that unit exactly where it is He'll send us a picture of it for documentation and in the system because we're remotely managing this to our cloud key We'll name it the name of where it was deployed So that way it the setup process and I was having the new guy do all this when he runs through He just has to put some stickers on him as he adopts them He names them in the system the same as their name right here So it just becomes a very easy way to deploy them and not have to Coordinate the two of them to go. Oh, no that one went over here. I meant west side We wait till the install date to actually name them as we mount them into the hallways and Areas that these places are going into now I have up here and I got to turn it around so you can see the network cables But this is the neck eight SG 3100 and I'm showing you how it's plugged in now at present this client probably won't be Doing redundancy in terms of internet connection. It's a maybe they talked about it They're deciding if they need it or not Because this is a sports venue kind of stadium area. That's also why there's not a bigger switch That's also why we use high density Wi-Fi because a lot of this is dedicated towards their guest network They only need a few things in the office and the neck eight SG 3100 is capable of failover with two internet connections and Certainly capable of gigabit routing despite what people keep telling me. It's not I Tested it. I have it deployed. It works perfectly fine So we're just using the WAN port the opt one is the optional port that can be used for different things We're gonna be using it maybe for redundancy, but for now the clients only getting one internet provider So this is going to be perfectly fine because like I said a lot of this is dedicated to a guest network then we have one cable and that's why I wanted to show you just one cable going out of the Landside with VLANs on it. So you don't necessarily on the SG 3100 now need to do anything These have four ports on here that act as a standard switch ports So this is that technically like one logical port here Then the WAN is a logical port and then the opt ones a logical port that way I can use each of these and program them But then I just set the VLAN to come out here and then it goes right into the unifier We're getting into software setup here in just a second from there One is the mainland which is for the office people and administration Which there's only a handful of there's going to be I think they said seven people In the building that need computer access so pretty minimal there Then the other side is the VLAN is for the guests That is the larger side of the network and of course with the guest network There's a couple rules that we'll talk about we have AP isolation because we don't want the guests to be able to See each other so we have that deployed in here We're not worried about a guest portal They do want a password on there and what they do with their guest access is they have a password up on the wall And then I know someone says it's not the most secure. Yeah, it's not really supposed to be it's a guest network And that's kind of the idea so each guest is isolated but in case you they change the password to be something promotional So that's something to consider.  That's what they plan now, but we can always change it I know it's captive portal is both supported in unify or we can even put a captive portal into the Netgate device and you can set all that up too. It's in the works and consideration These are these are sometimes things that get changed in post from the client This is what they told us now, but the venue doesn't open for a little while So we're getting on the ground floor and putting all this physical layer stuff in and maybe later It'll change it and that's the beauty of the way this stuff works It's just a few commands to send it back out and modify these to do it. However, they may not change it But it's a pretty simple setup and this is a very common setup And now I'm gonna jump now over to the network side of this and log into the netgate log into the unify and Actually show you the settings that we put in there and kind of walk you through the why of how we set this up And this pretty simple network. Okay, so we'll start at the pf sense and talk about the network settings I know because this is in our internal networks for those of you wondering. This is not a public IP address, of course 192 163 20 like it says plug into like our general network that we have here at the office Here is the LAN that is going into that. It says twenty hundred twenty five hundred base key X full duplex This is the four ports that you have right here for the land So land one land two land three. This is the logical network for it These are the different physical ports that are on there. So when we look at the land We have it set to one nine two one six eight ten dot one I wonder if you're setting up any type of business network Just don't make it one dot one or zero dot one or ten dot one dot one Because ten the ten series pretty much ten dot one dot one if you put it in that it may work But it's also the default for Comcast if you use one nine two one six eight one one That's a default for well a lot of consumer routers and one nine two one six eight zero one is a default for a lot I've seen of the d-link routers I know there's probably a few others that Use this and the problem you run into is if you have to do a VPN later and you end up with another network You want to start out with the business network being something a little bit different because a lot of the home Users connecting when you set up the VPN or if you're an existing network that was kind of amateur setup You frequently see one one well then you have to decide up about how you want the routing to do when you ever want a VPN These networks together that may never happen at this client, but it's still kind of a practice I follow to set this up now slash 24 Like I said, maybe ten devices at most probably I think there's seven people in the office They're not gonna be a ton of users or devices on the business network. There's not a lot of staff there It's pretty basic and straightforward So I don't really have to worry about allocation on there when I set the DHCP server now We're gonna go over here to assignments And we're gonna take a look at the vlan and we built this vlan 20 and we Descriptively called it guest network vlan tag of 20 interface assignments. It's called guest network vlan 20 on Land so MV any TA one is that LAN port? This is vlan 20. So all of that is being shrunked right through So all the vlan data goes through to the unify because it's sharing just that one cable you've seen at the beginning So let me look over here and we go to the guest network interface as we named it And we see that this is a 17 to 16 o dot one and we did a slash 22 And the reason we did a slash 22 and I'll go over here to the DHCP server slash 22 will give us the range of 172 16 oh one through 172 16 3 dot 1 dot 2 5 4 The reason you want a fairly large range because there's a bunch of random people in the majority These are going to be phones that are connecting to this So not a ton of bandwidth, but a lot of devices on there So once again, we're gonna cover in second how we do the AP isolation But you want to have a wide range of people now. This is also gonna Drive over why I'm using these the high density Unify APC HDs because they support up to 500 clients on one and because of the way this is laid out first People may be in the arena area because it's a sporting arena Then they may move over to a large bar area where one of these will be so we have a high density of people kind of Clustered together so there may be a lot of them per device now One of the things that people ask about capacity planning is one make sure you always go a little bigger if you can and in this case These are very reasonably priced and have the support for 500 client connections on there. They're very fast We found them very we deployed these a few times. I found them very reliable Especially with these high density groups of people on there and still able to maintain a good system, but When you kind of ask the question of capacity you also can do things like find out what the fire marshal said is allowed in the building Oh, there's only a maximum capacity of 1,100 people in the building Well, I know and you just can't push in the range of one of these 1,100 people in that dense of an area So we know each area is capacity By listed by the fire marshal so we know there at least be that many people or maximum that many people in there So you can kind of plan accordingly. So we know that we'll never over saturate these But we know potentially spread out through the building because there's more than one arena area and a very large like bar area There's going to be a high density of users. So that's where we chose these because it's able to really have no problems with Wi-Fi and interference, but Whenever you're setting up and just a general rule for subnetting is never put more than a Thousand devices per subnet because it can get noisy and a lot of traffic on there So if you are getting bigger that would go beyond the scale of what I'm deploying right here But for what we're doing on this here It's not likely that every one of these all five of them we get 500 users But it's that density of users moving around That will is why we chose these units. We probably still could have got away with smaller ones But honestly for the price difference In everything we went ahead and went with these HDs because they're very reasonably priced. They're not substantially more MSRP of 349 you can frequently find these for I think we paid under 300 for them when we got them on sale So or if you buy them in bulk you buy five at a time or four at a time in a bulk pack You you know get them cheaper as well So that's the ones we went with here these UAP HDs. So now I'm gonna go back over to the settings and And We just use pretty much the whole network. So we started at 172 16 0 10 172 16 3 2 50 So there's quite a few IP addresses that can be assigned there for different devices that jump on and off the network Now in a way it works here in pfSense We have the LAN network and then the guest network or separate I like to put when I'm doing a separate like guest network any completely different range 172 range it just makes it really easy if you're ever doing any troubleshooting, you know if it begins with 172 It belongs to the guest network. There's no hard fast rule about this This is kind of a convenience thing for when I've set up a lot of networks I know right away if I see some problem or I'm just generally looking through logs 172 is stuff coming from the guests 192 is coming from the office And if I were had to build out another separate network for the office Let's say for like a credit card network or a point sales system network We could build a like LAN to another office network and still keep it into 192 range And just not use the dot 10 use something else credit another vlan and the same thing It keeps kind of a consolidated way that I view things And I wanted to make sure I mentioned it on the guest network We do allow access and we have this which means they can't access the LAN net So here's your guest network versus LAN and we want to give them internet access But not access to local networks now normally I would have done this in an alias And you alias in all the different LAN networks, but there's only one So we simply and I'll edit the rule real quick here and show you We allow the source to be any invert match means LAN network I they cannot get to the LAN network Now this is also further protected by the routing within the unified devices Which also would only apply guest network policies Stop them from seeing both each other and other local devices through exclusions set in the guest policies Now that's pretty much it for the firewall setup Not a lot to it. It's pretty like I said straightforward. There's not a lot on here I will probably load pf blocker on here That's about all they really need to make this system work And like I said potentially fail over if they add it later Now let's jump into the unified side of the configuration. So in the 16 port POE We have the one uplink port, which is this one here so this is actually where I plugged it in for the uplink and This is where all the data is coming in from the PF sense box. So Just to follow me on the VLAN setup here We have the four ports the switch ports on the PF sense We have one cable coming out of that and going into this port, which becomes the uplink port There is no special settings on this Switch profile all so we do see the LAN and guess what you actually want the the full all profile because we're not at this time splitting out any of the POE ports or ports in general on the 16 port POE switch To be their own VLAN because if you wanted to you could plug in the Wi-Fi and use the example of like this port here Me close that And we could look at this port and we can edit this port and we could say hey port 3 has one of the Wi-Fi devices plugged in We could say hey make that only the guest network But ideally the reason we don't do that is because you want them to be able to get all the profiles because you want to do the actual VLAN setup inside of the devices themselves So let's show you how we do that. So first we're gonna hear settings. I go here to networks So here in networks, we have our guest network VLAN only and we have our LAN And how do we create this was pretty easy you can literally hit create network and Hit VLAN only and put the VLAN ID in there pretty straightforward So we'll actually edit this one real quick to show you we named it guest network because that's what it is This is just our own naming convention Vlan 20 which matches Vlan 20 right here. So, you know, you have to keep all that matching So guest network Vlan only Vlan 20 Pretty straightforward. Here's the corporate network LAN and we just left this at 192 and 6x10 dot 1 slash 24 So it knows what the network settings are. So we have the LAN corporate here So that's set and configured and that's gonna get everything now. Here's where we build the wireless networks I have one called guest network one called office network This is not the names you'll get in actual deployment But for the nature of this video and really put the company name in there So guest at work WPA personal and we do have a password on it The other thing we checked here is apply guest policies cap to portal guests authentication You set the guest control policies We have it set just for really the isolation and that's an important piece So that's in the guest settings. I'll give that one second This is the part that is important use VLAN and then what the VLAN number is so we use VLAN 20 That slices off all the data coming to there So all the data goes from the PF sense out of the port into The 16 port POE with all the VLAN data the whole is a virtue as a trunk data So everything comes through then it goes through all the way to the Wi-Fi devices So the access points get all the data and then they can slice out the VLAN Which is Vlan 20 and they slice it out and put it on its own SSID So when we creates this guest network SSID Vlan 20 is sliced out of there and that becomes that one seven two network And go back over here to wireless networks and with the office network What we're doing here is not using a VLAN because we do the office now If we were to set up another office network or you wanted to create further isolation But the office network is the trusted network per se You could create a separate VLAN just for the office network that way you have a management network and office network If you really wanted to break things down really tight like that But it doesn't really need to be in this use case There's gonna a few computers on there for updating scores and things like that that the office people will be using but all that data is coming through that wireless network and So we don't need to break this one out It's gonna pull the 192 network and so back to a little bit how VLANs work All the data comes down the pipe and we're using the access point to slice out that VLAN and remove that tag data So it is carrying over one single cable And if we ever needed to have more bandwidth these do have the dual cable support So you can bond them together if there was a speed issue But you got to remember that too is that on the physical side of it one cable is carrying both networks It's just segmented out inside the VLAN now the last little thing I want to cover here is the user group is guest network not default now this is because we're using the access points themselves as a layer of protection For not giving them full bandwidth and they generally don't you got a bunch of people there because this is gonna be a lot of kids playing sports And it's a lot of Parents who are going to be taking pictures and sending them and uploading them That's why they need the guest network on there and that's what this user group is for but we have a user group called guest network So default is unlimited bandwidth limit bandwidth to two megs limit upload bandwidth to two megs and what this is doing is Slowing down their network. So this the service are getting is a 500 meg circuit going in here And you don't necessarily want all the users to have full all the time now They don't all the time phones are somewhat efficient unless they're watching youtuber Netflix They're somewhat efficient about their data usage because you know, they kind of expect over 3g But you don't want to give them just a full pipe on there So each one of these limit it download bandwidth to two limit download bandwidth to two and away we go and we're good Later we may do if if needed and this is actually the second deployment This is another location for this particular client if needed We can also have pf sent to some traffic shaping but at the other location we haven't had an issue and they have quite a few guests on the network and it hasn't Really caused any problems, but an option we can do is traffic shaping where we prioritize one network over another and That's reasonably easy to do inside of pf sense You can also just put restrictions on that network like hard limits and say this network can never exceed this much bandwidth and Then everyone just can the phones can all fight it out for the available bandwidth on there But so you have to do though because we're gonna start at the unify at least limiting So no one phone can have more bandwidth and two mags is not super fast But it's fast enough for them to you know update Facebook and tweet out pictures and Instagram things So it's good enough for that it'll get the job done and that's one of the nice things about things like Instagram It does cut the resolution down making that a little bit more less of a challenge getting the data out So that's pretty much it for the setup here It's pretty straightforward and like I said, you can see how we did the naming scheme Naming them putting the blue stickers on them. So now once they get installed We just go through each one and are gonna rename them as they get installed But pretty easy to do this will be called, you know hallway or wherever it goes And each location then we overlay the map on there and then the system is deployed and we manage it It's pretty straightforward setup, but that's it for the video Hopefully this was in sightening. This is literally a job that's going to be installed I believe the job is scheduled for Thursday right now If I have a chance, I'll film some onsite there getting this built out, which would be pretty cool But I don't always have time to do that So I at least want to show you the prep work that goes into a deployment like this prior to The deployment so these these are all the things we have to get ready in the office For this and we do this sometimes for other technicians So in this case, this is a job from top to bottom That's ours and it's another location for an existing client doing the same thing You know having a stadium venue where they do sports training And you know a lot of parents they're bringing her kids to the sporting event This is like I said a repeat of something we've already done before so we know this whole setup works perfectly fine But we do do this as well for other technicians that just want to do the physical layer and have us help with the setup work Because managing this is not too hard to do a lot of it does come down to getting it set up as the important part and kind of thinking through All right, this is how I want to do it. This is the layout I want to do So hopefully this was enlightening or maybe you have comments concerns or things you think I could be doing better I'm always you know listening to feedback because How we do things is always shaping and changing over time and we're always trying to you know improve processes and become more efficient When we do this, but this is gonna sit on a desk running for like I said a couple days until it gets to the deployment time and from there It gets sent out and works. So that's it. 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Viewers, India has reported 227 new COVID cases and at least five have succumbed in the last 24 hours, taking the number of cases now to over 1200. The government continues to insist that India is still in the local transmission stage of the coronavirus and efforts are being made to contain its spreads. Meanwhile, the doctors, scientists and innovators are working overtime to find a cure for this disease and there has been some progress, viewers. The whole idea of imposing a 21-day lockdown was to ensure that the spread of this disease would slow so all of us would find the time around the world to find a cure or perhaps even a vaccine. And I want to, I just want to bring in Dr. Nareesh Trihan, Chairman and MD of Midanta as also Dr. Sudarshan Balal, Chairman of Manipal Hospitals in Venkat Raghava Software Engineer who is also a survivor, in fact, and it's a pleasure to have you with us. Two of your callers, but I also want to bring in, right now Venkat Raghava Software Engineer who survived COVID and I want to ask you, how was your time, sir, in quarantine and how did you feel? I got admitted on the 9th of March and the isolation facility was getting set up when I moved in because I am one of those first patients. And they were cleaning up a large area, they put me into some corner room, may not be very comfortable, constructed in 1960s. After a day or so, I moved into the larger facility which was much better, good weather control, at least the fan was there, window that I can open and close, and the good bathroom facilities. Surprised to see a government setup upgraded. Well, how was the... It was a manageable place. How, sir, can I ask you this question? What was the impact on your body of Corona? What did you go through? Please share with our viewers, sir. I picked up in Hitro on my way to Los Angeles and the issue is that even though I tried to avoid it, because of boat road of Italians rushing to US, Chinese rushing to US, I caught up in that traffic. And I tried to separate myself but I got it because the fierceness of this disease is you picked up. And I picked up even though I was trying to be careful. Yeah.  I declared myself at the airport authorities to check me out because they were not ready. I went home and I found, you know, there was no information, went to local hospital. They didn't have a way to test me out. My brother-in-law, my colleague, gave me a connect and finally I landed in the Raju Gandhi Justice Center in Bangalore where they were clearly set up to receive and check me out. I gave a test on the day I arrived and next day, you know, since I isolated myself from my family, I stayed upstairs, I separated myself utensils to bottles of water. I never made anybody come near me. Next day I got admitted with a high virus load. The RDL is, it was heading there because I never had fever in my life, right after my childhood. This is the longest ever fever, like 15 days of cruelling fever I went through. So I had doubts, it become true. So the RDL of Corona is not a surprise but it developed into, you know, into a situation that I was moving into anyway. Well, thank goodness, sir, that you've been able to beat this back. We've got a few viewers calling in, Kailash calling in from Mumbai. Yes, sir, go ahead. Yeah, Rahul, I just want to ask two quick questions to the honorable doctors. Number one, there is a clip going on recently from China, which says there are very, very minute micro boys, biological particles, when people even speak, forget sneezing, when affected people speak and they are circulated. Secondly, whether the vegetables and outside food which is brought inside house, whether that is a risky proposition to eat. Okay, let me get Dr. Sudarshan Balal to answer that. First, the food and the vegetables, sir, when you buy them from outside, are they at risk? Good evening. Thank you for having me here. The questions were whether the vegetables that you buy from the market are risky. By and large, if you follow the common sense procedures of making sure you clean the vegetables, wash your hands and cook them well, the risk could be almost close to zero. Thank you so much for joining us, doctors. It is a pleasure and also congratulations to you, Mr. Venkat Raghun, for beating back Corona. You've given a lot of hope to a lot of people. It's not as bad, his symptoms at least. And he says that it was a long enduring fever that he had to really fight off and he didn't allow anyone else to come near him and he would use cold compress on himself, but he really did never give up hope even once. And if you believe in yourself, you can get through it. We'll leave it at that. The news are coming up.


Yikes something that the Baltimore Raven secondary could be missing this year Let's have a listen to this first question in this episode of questions from subs. I came from my boy flirting whiskey He said what's good, bro? It's your boy flirting whiskey back again. It's been a while and I know this is a different email But I got my masses and they shut my dot edu email down Oh look at that boy with that little humble brag right there. Congrats on getting your masses man because I like There's a lot of work man, that's a lot of work What a one of my boys that I know he just got his masses too because at first I was like um We were out in the car the other day and I was like what you got your your bachelor's right? He's like no, no, no, I got my masses. Oh my fault my fault because I know that's a whole nother level I mean getting anything you should celebrate, but you got a master's. That's real deal right there So congrats to you man. Anyway, he said we know Marlon Humphrey is solid But he doesn't get too many picks he does have a lot of past breakups But he has that Bama sickness where he can't turn his head lol just like Anthony avid. I think with Alabama corners They um, they are known to play the receiver and not the ball So they don't produce a lot of Interceptions like well some of I can't speak for every single one But that's what a lot of them are known for they know for being physical and playing the receiver instead of playing the ball And that's how Marlon Humphrey is Marlon Humphrey is like a I may not get a pick, but you ain't gonna have a reception or even if you do get a reception I'm trying to knock that thing out. Anyway, let's continue He said but with the Ravens seeming like they are going to go with rock your scene instead of bringing back Marcus Peters Do you think that's a little too mild? Mild what you mean when you say mild? Well, let's continue. He said rock your scene is solid But we are missing a playmaker. Maybe I got used to Peters I guess but turnovers is the Ravens culture on defense Shoot, maybe rock your scene has a pick six seasons since the Michigan twins are gonna go crazy with the past rush I'm speaking into existence. They'll a well, but what do you think? Ah? That's interesting. That's it. That's I didn't really think about that Cuz when you look at a we know Marlon Humphrey, we know what he can do a rock your scene I'm just missing that playmaking ability. I looked over his career numbers and he has in four years He's been playing since 2019 So you've played four years in a league, but he has two interceptions and two force fumbles Now he averages like seven eight pass breakups per season So that's solid. But as far as missing that playmaking ability missing a playmaker Well, I feel like with the Ravens secondary I mean with with the cornerback specifically if we just talk in the cornerback specifically again Marlon Humphrey We know what he's capable of but opposite him yet like you did talk about you'd be probably got a little used to Marcus Peters And everything that he can do and I feel like with Marcus Peters. He spoiled us Maybe not last year but He's But now he spoiled us and with Marcus Peters, it was that expectation like oh, yeah, he gonna get a turnover He gonna get at least like Four turnovers a season something like that whether it be a form of recovery whether it be a pick That's what we was usually expecting But that was the expectation that he set because that's what he had done throughout his career He was known as a turnover machine again minus last year. He was known as a turnover machine and it's It's not Not that it's not fair because it's the business I was gonna say it's not really fair to compare other corners to him But since we had Marcus Peters for a little while then we gonna compare other corners that the Ravens have to him But see this is why It's important that you talked about the past rush That's gonna be important to that'll help the secondary that'll help get turnovers to but The turnovers can come from so many different places. We saw Marcus Williams last year And that boy was balling man. I man if he wouldn't have got hurt in that bingles game Man, if he would have played the whole season, he would have let illegal exceptions for sure He would let it illegal exceptions. Definitely. We saw Kyle Hamilton. He Turned into a playmaker throughout the season. Now is a beautiful thing We saw Roquan Smith My mind is that steal this game with Narsha is caught there with game with a touchdown on him from getting big it But we saw Roquan Smith and we know he can ball. He can help create some turn Patrick Queen as well. So Just because it wouldn't really be expected to maybe come from rocket scene It doesn't mean that we don't need to expect it to come from the Ravens defense as a whole because like you mentioned that which is true Their defense is known that the turnovers are the Ravens coach on defense. And yeah, that's true They known to produce turnovers get turnovers. That's what they do. I know they had a streak for the longest I think it broke recently, but they had a streak for the longest where they the defense had got at least one turnover for like so long And I don't even remember how many games it was I know one of y'all will definitely remember but that that's like a serious streak right there like hold up now But with that being said there's also a lot of unknown in the secondary because You did talk about. Oh, let's finish because he also said it's also kind of funny how the league works We let go of Anthony Averett and grab the guy that he replaced You think Jaylen or Alma Davis will be the exception to the Bama sickness like digs if so, that will be elite Yeah, that's why we had to clear that up early. So it's not every Bama cornerback and ain't every single one here with digs Yeah, he get plenty of picks that dude is the Marcus Peters of the NFC South And he said but as always hope all as well with you and yours and like Peters is and He said like Peters is and JK is about to be because Hobbs is a soft version of Bella check. I'm out this guy, man but anyway With the secondary we're talking about it's just it's a lot of unknown there So we got to hope that those guys can be playmakers like Jaylen. Alma Davis will see what happens with him Pepe Williams with The possible slot cornerback. Oh I can't I just thinking of the who used to be a safety. They got as a undirected free agent. Are there is Washington? There we go. Are there is Washington? Can you blue Kelly? Daryl Warley Kevons like it's Ravens have some options, but they have so much unknown right now So hopefully that unknown combined with a lot of guys that we do have that are known that can continue Ravens legacy We're getting a lot of turnovers and playmakers on defense and this next question also came from a boy flirting the whiskey He said also with JK Dobbins being on the rocks. Do you think he's going to be traded? We see what the Peters and Hobbs beef did. Oh That's That's a real question right there, man Um, I think if he requested then it'll certainly be granted because we know Eric the console Like he's if you say you want to be traded Eric the console be like, okay. Bye. See you Yeah, like if you really want to be traded man If it's not just a business move if you're not in like contract negotiations Have been for the past couple years and then you put out that you want to be trade Not that kind of want to be traded But you like really really want to be traded then Eric the console be like, okay cool. See ya And he'll say hey, we don't want guys that don't want to be here and do and you'll get rid of you See Hollywood you see Orlando Brown Junior Hayden Hurst Chuck Locke and there's more to um, but anyway with JK Dobbins Yeah, I think if he wants to be he will be um as far as an extension. I don't see it happening right now I don't see this thing with JK Dobbins and the Ravens Business, I don't see it really being resolved But I could see him just playing playing and just being like I away with whatever's gonna happen gonna happen So we'll see but he also continues that JK has been very vocal about his use From about his use and about coaches, etc We have drafted to broke man's JK two years in a row and we pay Gus a good amount of money And the fact that the value of running back is at an all-time low It's looking kind of if he were JK forcing their hand also with the new offense. What do you think? Yeah, that's another thing too that um It's gonna be tough for me He isn't such a tough put in and I know you gotta be frustrated man That's like those are some of the most toughest situations where you know what you want to do But you're limited in what you can do and you're limited in the control that you have over Your current situation and obviously a it's easy to say go out there make the best of it It's easy to say that but to do it is tough especially when it's frustrated and then the business side is involved and Yeah, JK is in a real real tough position but that's feel like that's the only thing he can I mean he could also request a trade and Go to somewhere where or hope to go to somewhere because I know he obviously ain't got no trade clause in his contract I think it was just a second round pick in what 2020 I think but he ain't got no no trade clause in his contract You don't get those until your second Your second contract and he's still on his first. I mean and those are not even guaranteed that you get those it all just depends but He's in a tough situation man. I he's in a real tough situation So again, he could just play and be like play through it or he could request to be out and just hope he goes To a team that will use him more. I mean, and we don't know how it's gonna be yet But I don't expect JK to be getting 1520 carries again I just I don't expect it with this often the way that I expect this offense to go Especially with him sharing the backfield with Gus Edwards, too And whatever other running back they may have back there, but primarily him sharing with Gus Edwards I don't expect him to get 1520 carries a game And and five to six catches. I just I don't see it for him So, but we'll see he said although we thought the hate was stopped once the deal got done But did you notice how Lamar said running will only get you so far in today's game? Since it's a passing league now they reached and spun it saying he was talking about him running and started back up The can he stay healthy? It isn't sustainable blah blah blah While Josh Allen is the leading Russian for his team doing head up with defensive tackles But anyway, I just thought that was funny, but I'm out. Oh, yeah, I mean you already know what time it is with Lamar Well, whatever Lamar says it is going to be spun into a negative And it's going to be spun into something bad about him like even like the the six thousand yards thing I feel like everybody knew like Lamar was just one of those things where you just exaggerate in a bit You like you like joking or whatever, but you just talking about something that you're excited about like Then like really with anything and then when they when he said oh, yeah We want to throw for like six thousand yards and they were people like But you know people gonna be people Shout out to engraving