If you're new to the channel, I'm Gulf Pony. I do new car truck SUV reviews on YouTube. And today, we are in the brand new 2023 Genesis GV80 courtesy of Genesis of York and York PA. For more information on their inventory, please feel free to check out the link in the description box below. And so we are in this one today because first thing I saw when I got in this was a crazy looking 3D digital gauge cluster. So I'll be showing that to you guys in a little bit here. Not only that, this is a very good looking SUV. You got America's Best Warranty as well, being five years, 60,000 mile bumper to bumper, 10 years, 100,000 miles on the powertrain. You get three years or 36,000 miles of complimentary maintenance as well. You get three years of free Sirius XM radio. I could go on and on, I feel like. But ultimately in this video, we will be testing out and going over everything about this one from acceleration to braking, steering feel, ride quality, sound system, exhaust clip, all that fun stuff. So having said all of that, what do you guys say? Let's just go ahead and jump right into it. And as always, let's start with pricing it. So pricing will start at $55,550. That's gonna be for the 2.5T inline four cylinder all wheel drive, but it goes up quite high. I will say that. So I'm just gonna put the prices on the screen here for you guys, sort of rambling them off this time. But with all of those trim levels available, there are actually two different power plants available for the GV80. First one being a 2.5 liter turbo charged inline four cylinder than the one we have today, putting out 300 horsepower at 5,800 RPM, 311 pound feet of torque coming in at right around 1,600 RPM, power sent to all four wheels. They're an eight speed automatic with paddle shifters, which we will test out here in a little bit. Zero to 60 time is going to come in at approximately 6.4 seconds, with MPG numbers coming in at 20 in the city, 24 on the highway, taking premium unleaded fuel. So then there is the other engine configuration, the more powerful one. That one is powered by a 3.5 liter twin turbo V6, 375 horsepower at 5,800 RPM, 391 pound feet of torque coming in at 1,300 RPM, power sent to all four wheels, once again through an eight speed automatic with paddle shifter, zero to 60 time, approximately six seconds flat, with MPG numbers for that one coming in at 18 in the city, 23 on the highway, taking premium unleaded fuel. So then before we do any kind of fun paddle shifter or acceleration test here in the GV80, I wanted to mention to you guys, the drive modes. It said there's a circular dial located just behind the cup holders. Drive modes are going to include snow, eco, comfort, sport and custom, adjusting things like the shift points, a throttle response, steering sensitivity, the suspension settings, and the gauge cluster as well. Dang, I love this gauge cluster. It looks absolutely insane. It's 3D, but anyways, now that we got all of that out of the way, what do you guys say? Let's go ahead and find it straight away. Let's put the paddle shifters here to the test and let's see how quickly these things are going to react for us here. All right, here we go. RPM's are backwards. They're okay. Honestly, they're not bad. Slight bit of delay, not the quickest I've ever tested, but I'm glad they're there nonetheless because what they're there for is when we're going down a hill right now, if it were to be snowing outside, I can actually use the paddle shifters to downshift, do a little bit of engine braking so no one actually have to hit the brakes as much. So you're less likely to slide off the road when it's slippery out. So I do like the paddle shifters for that particular reason, but having said that, there's a slight delay to them, I'm just being honest, but anyways, I've got that out of the way. Let's not give full control back to the GV80 here. Let's put the acceleration to the test and let's see how quickly we can get our new 2023 Genesis GV80 here up to speed. All right you guys, we are in sport driving mode right now. A little bit of a rolling start, of course. Go baby. Whoa. All right. My gosh, that sound. Okay, you can tell that sound is being pumped into the cabin, which I don't mind. It's kind of a cool thing. So it's kind of artificial sounding though. I will say that. So you can definitely tell it's artificially being pumped into the cabin, but it's pretty cool. It kind of sounds like a race car. And as far as acceleration goes, plenty of an acceleration emerging onto the highway or anything like that. Not gonna have any issues there, but anyways, to go along with that acceleration as always, braking is equally important.  So slight difference there. But regardless, rear rotors are gonna be the same coming in at 14.2 inch solid rear disc. As far as 60-zero stopping distance goes, obviously it's going to differ because the brake sizes are different. So 117 feet, which is insanely impressive. That's sports sedan good for the 2.5 liter. That's brilliant. And then 112 feet for the 3.5 liter. So I'm telling you guys, that is an incredible 60-zero stopping distance for both of them. Like I said, even in the 2.5 liter that we have today, 60-zero and 117 feet is sports sedan good. A lot of times with SUVs, you will get 130s or 139 feet. And the braking feel feels great. It's honestly just right. It's not a super firm braking feel and it's definitely not a loose braking feel either or soft braking feel, I should say. So honestly, braking feels 100% on point as we pull up to a red light here in our GV80. Then touching on suspension and handling, independent front and rear suspension, of course, front and rear stabilizer bars, electronic limited slip differential, which essentially sends torque to the rear wheel with the most traction. So that's going to help with slippery surfaces and actually handling a little bit there as well. And there is also an electronically controlled adaptive suspension that comes on the GV80 as well. So essentially a camera system scans the road for any road imperfections to kind of give you a smoother ride there. So that is pretty cool. Speaking of as far as ride quality goes, it has been perfectly fine. I'm actually going to put it back in comfort driving mode because again, the suspension settings are just to depend upon the drive mode that you put it in. And honestly, my short test drive here today, definitely no issues with the ride quality. It's 100% on point there. So our steering feel goes again, it's going to adjust dependent upon the drive mode that you put it in. So if you like a heavier steering feel, you have that option that is me personally. So there is that custom driving mode as well, which I personally use on my Hyundai Sonata where you can make the steering feel a little bit heavier but not get that instant acceleration if you don't want that all the time. So that's what I personally do most of the time. So that's there for you as well. As far as cabin noise goes, 100% on point without a doubt. And that's due in part because there's an active noise cancellation system which kind of counters the sound waves to give you a very serene cabin as we are currently driving right now. There isn't a whole lot of exterior road noise or wind noise coming into the cabin there. Until you go visibility, I can see perfectly fine out the back not going to have any issues with rear visibility. Rain sensing windshield wipers do come standard as well and a head up display comes standard. So right now I am looking at my speed, speed limit and safety information displayed up on the windshield. So I have better forward visibility therefore as well. But that pretty much rounds out the performance segment of this review guys. Let's now go ahead and take a look at the exterior of a brand new 2023 Genesis GV80. All right, so here she is you guys, the new 2023 Genesis GV80 finished in Himalayan gray, a $575 paint option if you like this color and wanted to go that route. But let's go ahead and start a front on the GV80 here. That large shield aluminum front grill kind of replicates the Genesis logo, the middle portion of the Genesis logo I should say but definitely looks very good. Nonetheless, you know what's interesting? Back in the day, they used to put the adaptive cruise control sensor that is now down below there kind of incorporated into that front grill. Maybe I'm thinking of the G80, I don't know but now it is down below there. So that is what that little rectangular boxes down below in that lower grill is the adaptive cruise control sensor. Front air curtains to the sides there helping direct air around the wheel and tire combination of course to the sides. Also quad beam LED headlights with LED day time running lights and the automatic feature meaning when it starts to get dark in at night these headlights will turn on automatically for you there. You also get though automatic headlights meaning when you have your high beams on at night and since it's a vehicle coming in the opposite direction it's going to automatically dim them back to low beams then when that vehicle is gone it's going to automatically bump back up to high beams. So very nice convenience feature there as well. So overall when it comes to the front end I've seen so many people call this a Bentley because it does look strikingly like a Bentley which is a very good thing, very nice look to it. So anyways that pretty much rounds out the front end. Let's now go ahead and make our way to the side. All right and so now since we are around to the side of this one let's start all the way to the top. Silver roof rails do come standard. Chrome window surrounds also coming standard rear privacy glass of course as well. There is some chrome slats found on that front fender and the cool thing about that is their LED bars kind of incorporated into them so they will serve as this turd signals indicator so when you actually turn on your turd signals rather than having those indicators found in the side mirrors they're actually going to be found incorporated into this front fender so it definitely very nice look my personal opinion. I actually love that look because usually in all other SUVs are in the side mirrors so love the differentiation there for the GV80. Speaking of body color power adjustable side mirrors do come standard. They are heated and power folding then as well. Also like the look of the chrome accenting found kind of just above the side skirts down below there. Also body colored side skirts I would expect it to be at this price point so very high in look there as well. There's so many SUVs that use matte black side skirts which I'm definitely not a big fan of but anyways take a look down at the wheel setup 19 inch alloys do come standard but you can get 20 inch alloys for the 3.5 feet V6 all wheel drive I can't talk today and advanced plus trim levels as well and then 22 inch alloys for the prestige which is what you guys are currently looking at right now. So very nice look to the wheels but overall very nice look to the whole side profile here my personal opinion but pretty much rounds out the side. Listen I'll go ahead and make our way to the back of the GV80. All right so now since we are around to the back of this one all the way to the top you will find a body colored shark fin antenna just below that rear spoiler with an integrated brake light just below that rear window wiper of course you have the Genesis lettering spelled out horizontally that always looks good as well. Twin bar there LED tail lights absolutely love the look of that kind of emulating the front headlights there. One of the coolest things though if we head down all the way to the bottom here you will find integrated dual exhaust outlets yes they're integrated into that rear bumper I've always liked that look with dual trapezoidal tips finished in chrome so very nice look to open. Anyways, having said that I do believe you guys know what we have to do next as always here is that exhaust clip. All right so but now since we are around to the back of the GV80 when it comes to opening that rear tailgate it is a hands free power tailgate for all trim levels across the board meaning all you need to do is simply walk up behind to kick your front underneath and it is going to automatically open up for you though but the coolest way to go ahead and open that rear tailgate is actually going to be the hidden button incorporated into that rear window wiper not many vehicles do it this way there's usually a little rubberized button on the actual tailgate itself but with the GV80 and actually GV70 as well it's incorporated into the rear window wiper and I absolutely love that but anyways once opened up I will say the GV80 is available in either a three row or two row configuration we have the two row today but if you were to have that three row behind that third row comes in 11.6 cubic feet and by the way that third row is only available with the advanced plus package if you were interested behind the second row 34.9 cubic feet and then with all rows folded in even 84 cubic feet so pretty much right on par for the course in terms of cargo capacity doing what Alston mentioned though in the cargo area there are cargo tie down anchors there are grocery bag hooks there is LED cargo lining with a very cool design a diamond pattern design to the actual LED light housings as well so tension to detail definitely on point here 12 volt power outlet back there cargo cover as well and if you were to lift up underneath of that cargo floor you will find some in-floor storage underneath there as well and so making then our way to the rear leg room if you get the third row that comes in at 30.3 inches which quite honestly is a little bit cramped but anyways second row leg room like we have today comes in at 38.7 inches so for reference I'm an even six feet tall this is how much space I had in that second row there so plenty of space for me tri-zone climate control coming with the prestige trim levels meaning rear passengers can set their own temperature as well rear window sunshades come standard for every single trim level across the board gotta love that heated second row seats are available with the prestige trim levels front seat bat mat pockets of course coming standard dual USB charging ports back there but there's actually also a 115 volt power outlet back there that's something you typically don't see in SUV so I wanted to emphasize that and of course you do have a rear center armrest with cup holders but there's actually a little section for maybe a tablet holder within that center armrest as well at least a little extra storage there I will say that now let's go ahead and make our way to the front seats leatherette seating coming standard full leather seating with any of the package options whether it be advanced or prestige 12 way power adjustable front seats for the base and advanced trim levels 16 inch power driver's seat for the prestige smart posture seating coming with all trim levels across the board we can simply type in kind of your body measurements and it gives you that best possible seating configuration there heated ventilated seats coming for all trim levels there is an Ergo motion seat that comes with the prestige packages which essentially gives you adaptive side bolsters dependent upon your steering angle it tightens up the side bolsters on one side or another kind of like the Mercedes G wagon does so it's a pretty cool feature there memory settings come standard as well and overall seating was 100% on point plenty comfortable for a long road trip in this thing that make our way to the steering wheel it is tilt and telescoping it is leather wrapped and you got some thick 10 to two grips kind of like BMW so definitely a fan of that as well and of course steering wheel is heated for every single trim level across the boards you got to love that make it right to the startup let me start by showing you guys the key here you do have your Genesis logo on the one side and a plethora of buttons on the other side including a remote start coming standard and smart pack coming standard for all trim levels across the board as well so if you're in a tight parking spot if somebody parks a little too close to you as long as you start the vehicle up when it's locked with the remote start then you can press this button it'll actually pull out or back out the vehicle for you without you having to get in it first you can very easily get into the SUV this is a feature I absolutely love I believe that Hyundai started this with the Sonata and that kind of branched in to the Genesis product so I absolutely love that and of course you get a digital key so if your key pod were to fail or run out of batteries you've got the digital key on your smart phone as backup I've used that before it's definitely helpful and keyless entry with the push button starts all I'm going to do now is simply put my front of the brake and press that engine start button which has a very nice design to it as well but then once started up gauge is just gonna be two different gauge clusters there's the eight inch digital screen so it's a partial digital gauge cluster for all trim levels but the prestige trims but if you were to go with one of those prestige trims you will get a 12.3 inch 3D digital gauge cluster this looks like nothing else on the road it blows my mind every time I see it it truly is 3D it's like going to the movie theater and putting on those glasses but you don't have to wear those silly glasses and it just different sections of the gauges pop out at you it looks absolutely amazing and of course the gauge colors and readouts adjust depending upon the drive mode as well and of course you got the blind spot view monitor up there as well so gauges I don't think you can beat these gauges out there right now these may be my very favorite gauges in existence right now maybe with the exception of 3D digital gauges on Mercedes as well they do have a 3D gauge cluster as well so both of those are tied in my opinion so then make your way to overall interior quality there is a panoramic sunroof for all trim levels across the board overhead sunglass holder LED interior lighting homeland controls wood trim with the matte finish all this stuff comes standard by the way in case I didn't say that already 64 colors of ambient lighting that's very nice duals in clam control also standard love the texturized finishes in this thing the contrast stitching the wireless phone charger still all standard and you get dual cup holders with texturized silver surrounds gotta love that and within the center arm rest a decent amount of storage with this nice kind of felt finish to it as well so when it comes to interior quality everything essentially comes standard and it looks absolutely amazing very luxurious interior quality without a doubt there's a suede headliner available for the 3.5 prestige this thing has everything you could possibly think of just about for the interior quality but now it's going to make our way to the infotainment screen 14.5 inch color touch screen display yes that is a massive screen and it is touch screen it's a little bit of a reach for the touch screen I'll say that so there is a circular dial and buttons if you would rather use that and it is actually voice activated then as well Bluetooth and audio streaming do come standard Android Auto Apple CarPlay factory navigation system you can check out your climate control settings up there you can adjust the color of the ambient lighting up there there is a quiet mode where they eliminates the speakers in the rear seats and limits the speaker volume in the front seats so it lets your kids sleep maybe if they're asleep in the backseat on a long road trip possibly there is a voice memo system if you wanted to record your voice and then play it back at a later date of course you can find your radio information up there as well so when it comes to the sound systems 12 speakers is going to come standard but with any of the package options whether it be advanced or prestige you will get a 21 speaker lexicon sound system that's a lot of speakers you guys so having said that what do you guys say? let's go ahead and turn on the radio see what we got playing today and let's test out the clarity of this one I love you I love you and I love that sound system that is insane lexicon crushed it as always ton of bass ton of clarity plenty of loudness for the size of the GV80 that bass really impressed me that was an amazing sound system quite honestly for the GV80 without a doubt and so the last thing on the infotainment screen I wanted to mention to you guys is when you do put the GV80 in reverse you will find a rear view camera coming standard across the board but if you were to go with any of the package options you're also going to get a surround view monitor giving you that bird's eye view with several different views in addition to that as well which is always is going to lead us into safety and so to start IIHS top safety pick plus which is the very highest designation given by IIHS that pretty much says it all right there front side side current airbags do come standard drivers knee airbag as well and an airbag between the two front seats in the case of a T bone accident let's say so both the driver and passenger don't hit heads or knock into each other that is an airbag that I don't think I've ever seen on any other manufacturers out there so that's a pretty cool idea I like that in the back you're going to have latch aka lower anchors and tethers to children for the rear car seats rear child door locks tire pressure monitoring system but also coming standard more exciting safety features I guess you could say would be forward collision avoidance assist lane keep assist lane following assist blind spot monitor with rear cross traffic alert safe exit assist driver attention warning system adaptive cruise control with stop and go which is a brilliant system with both Hyundai Genesis and actually Kia as well highway driving assist too which is Genesis is semi autonomous driving I guess you could say rear occupant alert blind spot view monitor for the advanced and prestige trim levels and also with those two trims you're also going to get reverse automatic braking then as well so overall it comes to my final thoughts I probably could go on and on about this one because this thing is definitely done well there's an excellent interior quality excellent exterior design the 3D gauges I would definitely say are my favorite of all the other manufacturers that I've tested out of the 600 plus cars I reviewed so far these are my favorite gauges to date SmartPak I absolutely love that feature still it's something you typically don't find on other manufacturers I mean the Tesla summon thing is probably the coolest but SmartPak is pretty darn cool as well it got some powerful engine options plenty powerful for the GV80 at least the only thing I could think of for room for improvement is BMW does this cool thing called gesture control where I can turn up and down the radio by just moving my finger in a clockwise or counter clockwise motion and they have other gestures as well I think it'd be pretty cool if Genesis would implement that maybe other than that this thing is pretty darn freaking good and so but that is about it for this one you guys thank you so much for watching feel free to follow me on social media at the bottom of the screen if you wanted to see what's coming next on the channel before it gets to YouTube be sure to hit subscribe and the bell notification button if you're new car reviews that is what we do here on this channel after all I do appreciate you guys watching more than you know and I will see you guys all in the next video stay gold


News you can absolutely use new you can use man Make sure you got like subscribe to the channel make sure you guys keep watching what's going on over here boss Thank you guys who already been showing us so much love and gratitude to the people that see me in the streets Everybody want to stop take pictures hang out all that good stuff, man. You guys definitely Hey bosses bosses that's spoken man. So I appreciate you guys man this weekend man Definitely this week whole week Marching up to Memorial Day guys I was like man, I gotta say something to the people man. I could have talked about a lot of different things I'm letting you things but just you know Want to tell everybody to be safe have a great great great Memorial Day aka barbecue day aka Day off of work Just want to tell you guys man enjoy it, you know a lot of people are not here to enjoy the day some of the fallen soldiers You know typically, you know, people don't really acknowledge the true meaning of Memorial Day a lot of times, you know, they this used to be a thing where you would go out and you would go out and You know clean off graves you would go out and You know remember the fallen soldiers There was so many different things that that this day represented. So, you know Some say in Charleston, South Carolina. This was the first time that people acknowledged Memorial Day Is that true? We don't know history foretells that you know, there was a group of African-Americans that first acknowledged a Memorial Day Believe it's like 1865 is what they're saying That's what history records and then you know Also talks about the silver war being something that ushered Memorial Day in you guys got to understand man That this is a day that I feel like, you know, you know It's just a special day outside of the barbecued and outside of The day off for work or if a lot of people this is a day of celebration for themselves But there's a lot of people that died to put us in positions that we're in In order for us to even be able to celebrate and have a great day and have a good time and be free in this country A lot of things happen to transpire that even the growth and prosperity of this Country come from, you know on the back of a lot of slaves, you know And also it comes also Just on a team effort between slaves and the owners of slaves This is something that's very difficult to articulate very difficult to You know understand the algorithm or how it all happened, but it is our history no matter how you look at it You know, I look at that in 1868 John Logan was a you know He was the one that they pretty much gave credit to say that it was a certain eyes around That celebration in that time so when you look at, you know, all the things that History for tales a lot of times we go down that road that rabbit hole And it's just not a pretty picture for people that look like us But we have to embrace our culture. We have to embrace our history as well So that our children and our children's children will understand the marks we made while we were here on Earth so it's very important to keep that history on the forefront and let all of the people understand What went on from our perspective during that time? So when you look at just all the things that happened All the fallen soldiers all the things that happened that that drove us to be the people we are today in this country Memorial Day is a very very very prominent Serious day People who really really understand history they study this to understand how we ended up at this location at this time And why people celebrate Memorial Day Memorial Day? Like I said again, it's not just about barbecue and even though that's what I used to when I get a when I get Out work and go and get me a cold beer and some some ribs and And by the few people over if we play dominoes and that's how we would do it For Memorial Day, but being there now having a brand and having express the times and having express Things that can educate our people. I have to take a serious approach on saying hey, this is also a representation of Memorial Day the history the fallen soldiers the flowers on the graves Visiting graves and doing the things we can to represent the fact of what happened to get us to be able to be in the Situation we are whether it be freedom whether it be whatever the case may be for you whether it be a white privilege No matter what it is for you It is a day that ancestors drove us to this point so I gotta say man don't ever forget your place in history and Always try to paint the picture to truth so that your children's children will be able to see hey man This is what more they meant to us Like I said it became a national holiday around 1868 Well, you know what 1889 when Memorial where you know 1889 became a national holiday Memorial, you know It was a day while, you know, they kind of forgot the black 1965 incident that I was telling you about earlier and the triples You know, that's a lot of times in the African-american started that one in 1965 Well, then you get John Logan who's a general he comes back and He starts one and that's more of it of an acknowledged time. So Just like Juneteenth. It's this thing where where we all here trying to figure it out And whoever is the permanent person in position during that time That's the person that people will really be able to understand, you know Was it hey that was the one who started it because they're the person in position It's almost like on the internet whoever have a loudest voice is able to get across the message in a way That it seems as if they've made the approach and seen if they Did better than other individual when that may not be the case But because of them in the position area in it because of them having the loudest voice a lot of times The other boys is unheard so kudos to all those black people that had a voice but tried and and wasn't acknowledged in it Like saying the 1965 portion of this. So I gotta say that I can't leave them out It became a thing where I think I said was that racetrack where in 1968 and 19 You know 1989. I'm sorry where they What they tried to figure out a way to you know, basically celebrate the death and All of the different things that happened to the fallen soldiers during that time. So like I said, man These are some times where today we have all type of information that's at fingertips at our fingertips And so we have to try to impute things that represent our people represent Acknowledging all things that happened during these times and I know a lot of people are hurt A lot of people hate our history because of the fact that they don't believe a lot of the history and they a lot of anger and Unforgiveness is there and instead of them trying to help others understand the history They this didn't happen, but they don't give you any Automatum of what they feel happened. We know already that we were over oppressed by racism a lot of time and We was sadly coming out of Slavery trying to anyway. We already understand that how do we get past and how do we bridge the gap for our people? That's what we ought to be trying to figure out. How do we make a difference? How do we make our voice heard in a way to where it magnifies the way that our people are being seen and that we can Be proud of our History and and us coming up from under bondage and all of the things that happened And also, how can we get along with our fellow man whether he white black green yellow or brown? How do we get along with those people and how do we make this world a place where our children can can walk and talk together? And there are not be a thing where racism Pretty much Centered eyes the situation in a way that it explodes in their face and they're not able to walk together Even get along so let's figure out ways to bridge these gaps Let's figure out a way to help our people to understand the history and like I said, I hope you guys enjoy your barbecue today Enjoy your beer today. Enjoy your liquor. Enjoy everything that you're doing But also enjoy the fact that people died in order for us to be in a place with all the day man Thank you guys for watching boss talk one on one again.  Like I said a lot of times, you don't see our information You have to share it reshare it We're not gonna slow down when I'm gonna stop. So Everybody's riding with us. We know already you you ride with us and we see you and we thank you and we just gonna keep pushing man So, hey, man, I Tried it. Yeah, oh the black man. I gotta say this the black panther was also had a deal where later on it became a thing Where they also in 1971 if you still go back and research you'll see that they also had different Memorial ways that they Were imputed into the history Lost a lot of fallen soldiers and not only black panther part of the black race period in the 70s as well And all the other races too, but I'm just saying that's where I Stem for them. So and also don't forget memorial day Marks the opening of the summer. Let's get to it. It's gonna be a lot of shorts We can't use it's gonna be a lot of getting out on the lake getting ready for the holidays a lot of traveling guys be safe And acknowledge the fact that God is really putting first man. Hey, I wish you guys the best man. Hey Now I think that's about it man news you give


The following is a presentation of TFNN, the Tiger Technician Hour with your host, Basil Chapman. Call now, toll-free at 1-877-927-6648. Good morning, everyone, Basil Chapman here on the 19th day of September. Goodness, how September is just flying by. And September is usually kind of, well I told subscribers expect September to be extremely volatile month. It doesn't matter how much down we go because there's a lot of support levels but it's just that each, we might be looking at lower highs and lower lows for a while. We've seen that and I think we're getting really close to some kind of a bounce, a bounce that isn't just, let me put it this way. It isn't just a bounce that's lost two or three days. It's a bounce that actually has some legs to it. But I don't think we've got there yet. We're attempting to get there. So let me just run the numbers. Look, the Dow is down 66 at 30,755. The technique I use, this is, in fact, let me just draw it in here so you can see it in a very different light. So we'll grab that. That's the daily chart. I'll extend that out. So there's a pattern that I always talk about and it's really making higher lows and much higher highs and then eventually it turns down so it's like a falling axe but the opposite direction. So I'll just draw this end to give you some sense of what I'm looking at here. I'm going to make this blue just for now and then I want to get rid of it because I don't like to have too many lines. Here we go. So this is going to be blue and I'll make it a little thicker because it's just just a temporary thing. So there it is, thicker. And we'll go to this one right here and we'll call this just for the moment Chapman falling axe formation support level. And what does it do? I also make that thicker. I'm going to have to change that as well. So this is the pattern. I noticed a long time ago, way back when I was hand charting, that there was a pattern where the price ran up, ran up sometimes went to a D, E, or F that's the fourth, fifth, fifth or sixth highest peak. And then it started to make lower highs and much lower lows. And then it found a base for whatever reason and all of a sudden that very negative expanding cone formation started to look like it could make a V or a cup formation where there are higher prices. And if it takes out that resistance line, the upper trend line, falling trend line, it could have a one to one to the upside. Well, it turns out over the years that that is a pattern that is also replicated in the exact same way upside down. After all, chart patterns are merely a repetition of a fractal, we could say, of a pattern. And it doesn't matter the timeframe because it's human emotion and that gets repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And you've got to recognize it. And if you do recognize it, you find that it is happens on the positive side, happens on the negative side. So I just took the slide and I turned it upside down, even the words upside down. And what happens is the price comes down sharply and let me just move this to this side so you can see it. Let me have a look at Tiger TV. Yep, there it is. And make a low and then start to make higher lows, but much higher highs. So it's the exact inversion of the one that we were looking at before. And that says at a certain point, usually in the Chapman Wave H pattern, I have to mix this up because you have to understand that I really only looking at three patterns. Look, there it is. Straight line up, straight line down, cup formation, arch formation, and how they combine. In this case, combine of red where it is down sharply and then rallies and fails, usually to peak A or a B. That says, watch out if you take out that left side low. But if in fact you are able to do something like this and rally very sharply in this particular pattern and go not to peak A or B, but you go all the way to a C, D, or even an E. And in this case, an F, it says you've served some of the strength by going higher, not that much higher, but higher. But it also means you've activated and released some of the downside energy so that when the downside comes, that trend line, this trend line right here, becomes extremely important and it should hold. And what happened in this particular case on 34,281, back on the 16th of August, it pulled back to 31,182, very beginning of September, and then tried to bounce. So the rule of thumb for me is that a peak A or a peak B in the arch formation, this is the one right here, a failure says, watch out, you could really take out that left side low, but when it goes higher than a peak C to a D, E, or in this case an F, you've used up a lot of upside energy and at the same time, you've used up a lot of downside energy so that finally when you come down, how you hold this left side trend line, rising trend line is going to be very important. So let's go back to the real story. The real story is, and the reason why I said I thought, I wanted to actually go wrong this morning. And then I thought this time, if I'm wrong, necessarily the down moves up 200 points from the low today, that's okay. We've still got to go through Wednesday. There could be a lot of choppiness between now and then. So the most important thing that I'm looking at right now is, I'm going to make that thin again, back to thin and just leave it like that. So what we've done, you see, we haven't gone to the 2965C June low. That's going to be really important. A break of that says, aha, something else is different because now you have to look at weekly and monthly time frame. So at this particular point, the stretch to the downside and just have a cup of tea. Excuse me. So what it says is this entire resistance area in the 31270s, now 4,500 points up from here, that's going to be the big test. That's also the line period expedition, moving average in the daily chart of the Dow. All right, enough with this. So what I'm saying is we're under pressure, very short, Dow just went positive, up 23 and the S&Ps unchanged. And I should have done this right at the very beginning. I want to do it. I think I did this so that people in the den could see it and I don't want to be coughing right now. So now we've got a leg D in the 10-minute chart. There it is, leg D, chap wave, a bi-signal going to a bi-mode. It says it should go to at least a D. 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There's no catch or added costs when you join our community of traders. Sign up today and become a part of this educational community of traders. Just visit the front page of TFNN.com. Free at 1-877-927-6648. Internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. Hi, I'm just finishing out a request in the den if I could just post Netflix, Netflix, NFLX, online videos. $241.41 up $1.39. Leg D under the previous D and that says just be a little careful. So we've had three peak Ds. Sorry, two peak Ds and one lady. The previous one went all the way to $251.99 on the 15th of August. Drop down to about $215. That's now $245. That's some 30 points higher. Yes, and the weekly chart says that technically I should put an up arrow which I've done from the trough E. I thought I'd resolve this. Let me just drink this. Nothing like listening to coughing, right? I mean, is that what you want? No, it's not what I want. So Netflix is acting quite well. It's going to take so much to get rid of this horrible candle. That was that. The earnings and everything else that came out on April the week of the 22nd opens a 340 round number, has a higher of 351.68, has a low of 210.05 and closes to 250.  So it's trying to get, if we can get into half way of this candle at any point in the next two, three weeks and that could be at about 280. Wow, 40 points higher. Well, yeah, if we can get there, that's going to be a big positive. In the very short term, and the monkey doesn't look very good at all, but in the very short term, it looks like it's got stabilization. All of these stocks, if they can just find stabilization, that is a big thing. Some of them having a stabilization in some of them almost all year. But in this case, the load that was made way back in April or May with an H pattern with a successful U shaped pattern says that Netflix is in play, maybe more as a trade than anything else, unlike say an Amazon, just typed it in the wrong place, unlike an Amazon, is the big big four, five caps that we're looking at from the NASDAQ area, which keeps had a really good rally at that peak D. How many PTs have we seen round about August the 15th at about 145? Trading now off the legs. A D that was made on Friday, maybe a peak D today. I think by Friday, I'm going to have a good sense of whether or not Amazon can have its first entry point. We talked about it as just an experimental tip-toe in just a fraction to get a sense of the stock. If you want to own it, just to at least be part of it in this particular move. That goes back about three weeks or so. It was in the 133, 134 area. There we are at 123. All I can say is that Amazon, I haven't got the extra move yet that I think is the one that starts the entry point for your position and the long term. For those of you aren't in it, that's was a question for me for the last couple of weeks for a lot of people. But I think we're getting to a point where I'll get that information. So it's filled in that big gap to the downside. The gap up back in August or going into August has been filled. Now how did we come out of it? We've got a gap from Thursday into Friday and on Monday still hasn't filled the gap. This is very important. So that's Amazon. Apple's the other one I was asked about. I said to get to the beginning of the week. This is Lady D sitting right on a support level. Now these support levels I think are different by usual. Yeah, these are the ones that were recommended to me a while back and this went right to that very level. Bravo. I've got to say that was very accurate and I had the trend line sitting there at 148 and we're at 150. We'll see how that 148 lost because on a weekly and monthly basis, although it's digesting gains and not showing strength, it's also at this particular point not showing persistent weakness. It has been weak for four or five weeks but that's a little different to because it ran all the way to the chapway of inside track repellent and had that kind of strength. It says that there's still internal strength. So watching Apple closely. What would be the other one? Let's go to Metta. I don't know if I've even looked at Metta for a while. Just dismissed it completely. Metta, which is the old Facebook. I went through this the other day. I said, what is it with these companies? Oh, I wrote it. Oh, someone that's right. Interesting story. I have a dear friend whose daughter in law, his son was working in companies in San Francisco and did very, very well. And then a company in England heard about him and wanted him and hired him and they took the whole family over, etc. He's doing very well. Well, his wife, who used to work for one of those big companies out on the West Coast and then I guess resigned because they were going to go overseas, was then offered a job with one of the companies that we always talk about here. But to do the European organization, sales, etc. And she's been doing that for a little while, doing very, very well. And he asked me the other day about the, he just mentioned it. So I said, oh, this is one of those companies, you know, like Apple, I'm not Apple, like Facebook changed its name to Metta. Google changed its name to Alphabet. And I keep the, what's the square changed the name to Block. I said, it just, it's such a shame that they did that. They shouldn't have stuck with the names. Those names are already part of the vernacular. Now, they, whenever anybody says the name, the new name, they say, they refer it with the alphabet, the form of Google or Metta, which is Facebook. So why bother? I mean, okay, so let's just get that out the way. So Metta's in that category and look at that, a horrible, horrible chart, leg D in the monthly chart, 384.33, high back in 2021, at a 145 right now, I would call that a little bit of a dip. All right. So in order for the QQQ, the NDX100 to really change the tide in the daily chart, which will then help the weekly chart and which will then help the monthly chart, there has to be a rally at some point going into the fall, maybe falls too soon, maybe going into third week of October, let's say, where the QQQ, the NDX100 trading vehicle that's the Invesco Trust series is trading not in the 280s, 260s, 250s, but actually is above the 322 200-period exponential moving area trading, tackling the recent high of August of 334, and then using that entire area of 320 as a support level to break for a whole two to three weeks into the 340s. And at that point, we're looking at something very, very different. At that point, we're looking at all the resistances, having been pierced, the key resistance on the short intermediate term, and that'll be a big positive. Now as a 14, I'll be right back. That's the chapter type. 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And this is what I showed my subscribers yesterday when I did the overview with the video. There's no question that this W formation says we're very close to some kind of a bounce attempt and the bounce attempt will pick up legs. I don't know why this keeps scratching like then. But what's really important is that we probably will see choppy choppy until Wednesday. Does that Wednesday, will they announce something that really says, oh great, now we know what's going on? I'm not sure they can. In fact, it's even more mixed than ever before. But you never know how the market perceives. Remember its perception? It's the way the market reacts. It's the only thing that counts. I don't care what the market is told. It's how it reacts to what it perceives. And that's all. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd say to subscribe is probably the next 300 points up or down at the beginning of this week. It's going to tell us a lot about where we go for the rest of September. And this is keeping it as simple as that. Now within the context of QQQ, I just wanted to show you this here. Look, the IWM is now down 40 cents at 178.59. So at any moment, it looks good. And we've seen that in the relationship of gold. Look, gold now it's down 7. It was down 10 before. And the relationship of gold to silver. Look at the silver chart. The silver chart is way superior to the gold chart. It doesn't always do that and hold it for long, but it doesn't do that periodically. And what we're looking at here, you've got a halfway forwarding exclamation right there. No high lows and lower highs, much lower lows. And if silver, by Wednesday, afternoon, or Thursday, can be trading at 20.25, something nicely above that high that was made on the 19th of September of 20.005, that'll be a big deal. That'll say independent of the dollar, which is holding very nicely up 33 ticks at 110.02 up near the all-time high or at least multi-decade highs, you've got the EUR, USD at towards the lows underneath the pink. Look at this, the pink nine-period moving and the weekly chart. Look at this, since the Euro went negative in the weekly chart, the nine went under the 14-period moving average back in, I think it was June 21st of June 2021 in the 1.98 area. This is not good. It's not good to have a program and keep coughing through the program. I thought I was getting better, but I guess the voice needs a little more time. So we're looking at the Euro very weak, and look at the USDJPY. In the YEN, holding near the highs, I'd show you your left side, right side, match, vertical match with the MACD was still strong back around about this September 6th, 7th at the high, 144.90ish, and then the retest of the high at 144.95, just under the previous high on the 14th of September, you saw the MACD still strong but turning down a little bit. Stochastic was much weaker, the vertical strength was weakening, and yet the price is held well. So leadership remains, meaning leadership of the Dow, leadership of the YEN, and that is really putting some kind of a handicap on the upside for the market itself. A couple of things I want to look at here that I was asked about, and I'll do it right this minute and that is, in the IBB, which is the Nasdaq biotech area, I've been mentioning how the large caps, the Nasdaq biotech, is so different to what I'm seeing in the microcaps in the biotech area or the labs, anything to do with the biotechs. And you have to separate that, and therefore the H-battern that we're looking at in the IBB is right on the cusp of at 119, let's call it 120, of breaking the left side low in the daily chart of 1931. And we've seen a lot of charts that have done this, and that's why I'm saying this is a very selective time, and it's probably better if you're looking at specific stocks. They have to be leaders in their group, otherwise they're vulnerable. And as I'm looking at this, look, even as I'm talking, you've got the Dow, there it is, you've got the E-mini rally, you've got the Dow rallying, the E-mini fund has gone to D-leg E, there's a leg E in the a leg E in the one minute chart, leg E in the 10 minute chart. So after all the stuff over the weekend that you read how negative everything is and Federal Express this and Federal Express that, the market sometimes just tosses it off and says, you know what, I'm ready for a relief rally. And that's kind of what we've got right now. Is it more than that? Well, a lot of the work that I did over the weekend with a lot of charts suggests to me that there is a very oversold condition. One, one that could produce a rally. Now let's go back to the Dow just for a moment. Oh, so I want to say, so IBB, that's one thing, that's the big caps of the biotechs. There are very many small caps, microgaps even, or showing complete independence. And that's kind of what you want to see more because I was looking at, I mentioned the other day, DHT, and I did this on my overview yesterday, my video for my subscribers. Gosh, this is not good. So DHT is up 36 cents, up 4% today, 907. What is it doing? It's doing the very leg D that I was talking about yesterday. In fact, I wanted to draw this in. I just didn't do it, but I should have done it. This is the Chapman falling axe, a little mini falling axe, great pattern. And today it breaks out three bars. Remember my rule of 135, sorry, 136. This is the third session and you ever got your leg D. So maybe it's done for now. Someone mentioned NAC, which is Nordic American Tanker Shipping. Yeah, this has got a same kind of move, almost made a leg C today in the day. It's up 8.5% of 27 cents of $3.38 cents. So high individual things and that's what I said to subscribers. Maybe it's time now just for the next week or two that we stick with my screamers, the very low price stocks that have a chance for a percentage gain and you know exactly you put your risk on usually 2% or 1.5%. And if you get it in a saw to run, you just take the budget. So we've got a break coming up 1,075. S&P's up 5. I like that. Nice to sit around. And our question is about stocks that are going to get you right now. So it starts here. Okay. You might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market, you're going to need a crystal ball. After all, it's impossible to predict the future, right? 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It's in the lower range. It hasn't been able to break above 95 for weeks. The way it looks at this particular point, it looks like it's going to pull back and then try to get back into the 85 area. And if that holds, we can go much higher. But it's also saying, wait a minute, there's a chance that we are in a worldwide recession that needs less oil. If that's the case, then ExxonMobil becomes a dividend stock and you can expect that it's going to retest the 80 level. It's at 93 right now, let's say 85 level at one step at a time. So at this particular point, I'm inclined to say question came in Thursday, I think it was. I don't think I could answer. Is Exxon a long-term buy and hold? And the answer is about 17 years ago, 15, 17 years ago, I remember being at one of our workshops that we used to have in Florida. And someone was talking to me about Exxon and it just happened to coincide with someone who had taken a course of mind, I believe it was here in the Boston area, who had mentioned that they were given by their parents, inheritance, Exxon, and they've held it. And over the years, the question has always been, what should we do? And my answer always is, you could do one of two things. You could do either just hold your Exxon, get the dividend, don't care about it, it can go anywhere. It's a major, major company. Yes, it might have to have changes because of the energy situation and it might have to take over a number of solar companies to still stay in business, but they have the wherewithal to do it. So that's one thing. The other is to say, hey, I'm going to hold the stock and I'm going to use the dividends to buy other stocks that I like. So that was the two choices that I had said. I don't know which one was the one that ever played out. But I don't feel any differently now. I think Exxon is a major company that had the money to do whatever they want. If they really decide, okay, now we're being impacted very negatively through the production of oil in the traditional way, let's do the un-traditional thing and we'll start becoming more solar impactful. I'm sure they're doing that at the moment, but I'm talking about taking over companies, then they'll remain viable. So I would just say that if it's a buy and hold, that's the attitude that you have to have. And you have to have the wherewithal, your own fortitude to say, what are drops from when you buy just to say 93. The drops to 83, but you're just going to hold. The idea is to just keep holding it. I don't know if, at least I don't try to do that for subscribers, but those are questions that people have. So that's one way to look at it. All right. The other is Exxon. My absolute best wishes, everything's working out. You remember I had the call from Bill, I think it was, Bill was talking about, where was it? Let me just get you all that information. I wrote it down and of course I got to find it now. I think it was, somewhere here, it must be Bill, it was Bill in San Juan. We were looking at, it wasn't ADTX, ADTX. Pain, pain. So I don't know if he's even able to trade. And he had called me on Friday. I couldn't get to his call and I'm so sorry about that. And what was his call? Let me just go this, see if I've still got it written down here. Yeah, I don't know if I've got it in front of me. I'll try to find it. Cough, cough. No, I don't have it.  You want to look at P-A-L-I. Well, I don't know if he's even able to trade. I mean, everything is down. There's nothing going on. There's just rain. So it's trading at 13 cents and on Friday was trading at 15 cents. And if I got to him, I was going to say, I wouldn't be touching this one right now. I know you had a great trade with the other, ADTX. This is different. I see nothing in it. And what is it called? Palisade bioink. So this is in the biotech here. This is a microcap. No, no, this is not a microcap. Yeah. This is an infinitesimal microcap at 13 cents. I just don't see anything in it. There must be a story there. If you know a story, that's different, but I can't do anything with that. But I just wanted to wish you everything. I wish you well. I hope everything's going fine. I hope that you do have electricity. If you do have water, you have everything you need in San Juan. All right, next thing I want to look at here is... Here we go. I wasn't doing this almost all weekend. Now suddenly I've got this scrab. They told me about it that often you just start to feel well. So another wave comes in after the COVID. So, okay, so I did that. I did that. I did that. I don't want to lose concentration now. Now, the invidia. So, invidia is still in that area. It's having a nice session today. I have 248 as 134, made a low yesterday, now on Friday, in the 120s. This is stock that's gone from the 349 back in... All right. Let's have slowness here with my system as well. There it is. November, 346 point.  Can't even speak. On Friday I was doing my best base voice for the Messiah. Today, nothing. So, invidia is up. So what's really important about invidia, so this is a big each.  Yeah, I needed that. Thank you, Al. Here comes a break. I thought I had something to speak. I'll be back in a moment. You grinding in the market, but seeing little to no return? Or are you a successful trader, simply looking to make your job a little easier? Learn to take the path of least resistance with David White's powerful trading newsletter. David White is an accomplished trader whose deep understanding of technology and the markets allows him to consistently find and share winning trades. Support and resistance define the ranges in which stocks trade. 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But the pattern that we're looking at says in the arch formation, so far the technicals, that's the Magdian stochastic, even on balance volume are a lot higher than they were back at the July low of $189.94. And that just suggests to me that you've got very clear parameters. A close under $189 in September, it will be very, very negative, both weekly and monthly. But if there is a rally for some reason going into the end of September towards the 233-235 area, and it's really important because the semiconductors are part of the makeup, the internal characteristic of a market is made up with the strength and weakness of the semesters. That's my interpretation. That has been for years and decades, in fact. So let's just watch this very closely. We need the semiconductors to continue to rally there at 205. Eh, big deal. They need to not just get that island reversal gap down back around about the 13th or so. In September, they need to be trading above the 222 level. 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So our next speaker is Sai Srikhar Kasi from Princeton, a cost and power feasibility analysis of quantum annealing for next-G cellular wireless networks. Thanks for the introduction. I'm Srikhar Kasi from Princeton, and today I'm going to present our recent work, a cost and power feasibility analysis of quantum annealing for next-G cellular wireless networks. And this is a collaborative work with University College London and Interdigital. So in a wireless communication scenario, there are like base stations which are serving a number of users. And today the number of internet users has been increasing significantly. And according to like Cisco industry reports, by 2023 about 66% of the population will be using internet. And to meet the resulting demand, there are new robust technologies coming in such as multiple input, multiple output communication, a robust channel coding schemes and the use of millimeter of communication. And the result of like these two things is basically the increasing power consumption of the base stations. And this has two major problems, like one along the economic side, like due to increased operational expenditures and another along environmental side due to increased carbon emissions. So how to control this power consumption? So there are several traditional techniques, like one of them is sleep mode to just to turn the base station on and off during load traffic times. And another approach is to optimize the radio transmission process itself. It says basically to use approximate algorithm instead of optimal algorithms. And take it as power. But these techniques like trade-offs, trades of performance with like how much power they can save. So the most effective way is to improve the hardware components themselves. And traditionally like CMOS hardware is being used at base stations and its performance per watt efficiency has been improving because of the Moore's law scaling. But Moore's law scaling will eventually end and it is expected to terminate around 2030. So this raises the question like whether CMOS hardware can achieve like next cellular spectral energy efficiency targets. While this may well hold true like there are, recently there is much interest in the community to explore alternative approaches to CMOS and one such approach we explore is quantum computing. So the first question that arises is like why quantum computing for wireless networks? So in wireless networks there are like very strict timing deadlines. By that I mean like first if we look at like how base station allocates bandwidth. So time and frequency are divided into several time frequency slots and each subframe is about one millisecond right now in 5G. And these slots will be allocated to different users and over time the load varies at base station. So by strict timing deadlines like when we move from 5G to 6G or 7G this subframe decoding time is decreasing and decreasing while the load is increasing. And to decode signals the optimal algorithms are like computationally very heavy and which results in high power consumption. So with quantum computing like a recent work has shown like indeed like wireless problems can be converted into Ising models and the work has also shown like the real results from real quantum handling machines and quantum machines also have like low power consumption and with engineering advances like we might get like a substantial speed ups over conventional computer. So this is our overall envision scenario. We envision quantum processing units that are centralized and baseband units where a processing from like a number of base stations is being aggregated. Quantum computing will take care of heavyweight baseband processing tasks and classical computation will take care of lightweight tasks. And in this kind of system what we are essentially doing is we are investing in capital expenditure and quantum hardware of high cost. But we are reducing the operational expenditure because of low power consumption of quantum hardware and there is no need for additional cooling as well. So the total cost of ownership which is like a capex based opex there is a trade off because like we are increasing capex and decreasing opex so in this work like we are going to find out like systems for which like the total cost of ownership decreases or over time the total cost of ownership decreases. So let me summarize like some of the key questions and answers in this kind of scenarios and from the perspective of quantum annealing devices. So first question is that like how many qubits do we need for in 5G processing? And for a small base station we will need about like 40,000 qubits by small base station I mean like 10 megahertz bandwidth and 32 antenna base station and for a macro base station we need about 3 million qubits which is about 200 megahertz bandwidth and 120 antenna base station. And the connectivity between these qubits is like highly sparse meaning that like while there are like several problems in wireless networks like most of their ISIN models are like highly sparse connectivity. And we can also because like we are solving problems related to like different different users so we can also envision like so we don't need like all these 3 million qubits to be entirely connected so they can have multiple independent chips because we are solving problems related to different users. If we have this much number of qubits in the machine how much power or cost can quantum annealing save over CMOS?  And in macro base station scenario like we can get about 41 kilowatt power which is 45 percent lower than CMOS. And what year like this cube these systems will become feasible based on like recent triad in the industry like we can get 40,000 qubits by 2026 in the best case scenario and for 3 million qubit machine like we might need to go wait until 15 years in the best case scenario. So how do we compute these values like I'll explain it in a bit. So our evaluation methodology is like to consider like two key figures of merit in wireless systems like the first is spectral efficiency which is like the number of bits process per second per heads of frequency spectrum. And spectral efficiency is affected by latency and also the number of qubits we have. Another figure of merit is energy efficiency which depends on the power consumption and also the number of qubits and the interplay between these three values like the latency, qubit count and power consumption of QA hardware will determine whether QA can benefit or CMOS so our goal in this work is to like project like target values for these properties so that like we can get benefit of CMOS and we evaluate like CMOS versus QA at equal spectral efficiency targets. So let's analyze like each of these three components one by one. So we have an input problem which is basically an icing problem corresponding to a baseband unit task and when we send an input problem to a quantum processing unit like first the quantum processing unit will program the problem and set up for annealing and next we will anneal the problem and once annealing is finished we will read out the solution and there is also a readout delay which to prepare the qubits for like next samples annealing. So this anneal readout cycle corresponds to one sample and we conduct multiple samples for the problem and overall sampling is called sampling time and solutions corresponding to like multiple samples are also post-processed once in batches and this post-processing parallels with annealer computation so it does not factor into the overall processing time and this last batch of post-processing parallels with next problems programming. So once the post-processing is finished we will collect the solutions and what happens in this programming so in programming like we have like one is the co-efficient setting and the programming thermalization and cubic tracer. So here on the left hand side like we have the left figure corresponds to like the physical hardware and on the right figure we correspond to graphical hardware of a chimera graph and this long circular loops of wires are called qubits like these L-shaped structures are couplers and these small cylindrical structures are flux stacks. So when we send a problem to qubits, the electronics will program these flux stacks about the co-efficient values and these flux stacks will program then on to qubits and couplers and this process currently takes about like 4 to 40 microseconds and if you want to maintain the same time on like you know larger devices we need to have like more control and bandwidth and for a 10 million qubit device like we need to have control and bandwidth of about tens of gigahertz and once we program this the current of heat is dissipated in the QPU and so we need to thermalize the system now and based on like the number of flux stacks which are programming these QPUs and what is the critical current like based on these values we can actually compute like how much energy is dissipated on chip and in the worst case scenario like when all the qubits and all the couplers are programmed and all the values are changed from like with the 5 bit precision like 16 to 16 it turns out that like in a 10 million qubit device with like 15 couplers per qubit about 36 picojoles of heat will be dissipated and in a QA refrigeration unit at the 15 milli Kelvin stage we have about 30 microwatt of power so in an ideal scenario like how much time we need to cool this much amount of energy is basically like energy divided by power so it turns out to be about 1.2 microseconds and next like we will initialize the qubits by initialization I mean like to start the annealing algorithm in an equal superposition state or like in an intended ground state of initial Hamiltonian and when we initialize qubits like qubits transition from a higher energy state to an intended ground state and this process like emits photons and also like it corresponds to like heat release it's called partial loss and using partial filters will reduce this loss and it takes about like 0.8 microseconds to reset qubits with 90% confidence so overall programming time is some of these times and we expect it to be 42 microseconds for the last kilobytes and once we program we need to anneal currently the minimum annealing time is about 1 microseconds and which is dictated by control and bandwidth there are also works which talk about high control and bandwidth using the use of flex print cables which can reduce annealing time to about like 0.5 nanoseconds and in redot architecture like the redot information is basically the persistent current direction in qubits at the end of annealing process and redot takes place along this flux bias lines we have qubits and there are like several electrical circuits called like quantum flux parametrons which resonate the current direction in qubits and propagate them from qubit to detectors which are located at the perimeter of the qpo chip and currently the redot is one division meaning that like one qubit per line is rated at time and it takes about 25 to 150 microseconds per sample and there are also like frequency multiplex redot schemes like which can parallely read out like several qubits at a time and we expect that with frequency multiplex like this time can maybe reduce to like one microseconds per sample and the redot in redot delay like we reset the qubits again and we consider it to be one microsecond per sample so the overall time for NS sample we consider 42 plus 3 NS microseconds where 42 corresponds to programming time and this 3 comes from like one for each of these annealing redot cycles so next let's see like how we compute this how much amount of qubits we need so we have a cellular baseband unit in wireless systems and the cellular baseband unit performs a number of like baseband processing tasks out of which like I show here like some of the heavy computational tasks such as frequency detection or forward error correction filtering and equalization so I'll explain like one particular example about like how we estimate qubits so given a 5G scenario like an example is shown here with like 200 megahertz band 120 at antenna and so on so given a base station scenario like we have a target amount of computation in the worst case meaning that like when the base station is full in 100 time and frequency duty cycles so in this scenario like for forward error correction we have a target of about like 89.6 tera operations per second and we convert the operations per second to problems per second by using the number of operations per problem we need for example in 5G for forward error correction LDPC codes are used and for the longest LDPC code in 5G it requires about like 150 million operations to decode one such problem so using these two values we can compute like how many problems per second we need to solve it the base station and in the ising model formulation like from our previous work basically we compute the number of qubits required per problem and we also consider this 42 plus 3NS microseconds overall problem processing time it is called so using these values the entire qubit requirement to satisfy this 5G forward error correction demand becomes the number of problems per second times the number of qubits per problem times the runtime per problem the runtime per problem here corresponds to like one or two microseconds which is basically like taking 20 samples so if we want to take more and more samples as you can observe here we will need more and more qubits and it turns out with 20 samples we will need about 1.3 million qubits for FEC so we repeat this computation for all of these baseband processing tasks we need to solve the qubits we need so the total qubit requirement for 5G turns out to be like on x axis like we have bandwidth on the y axis we have qubit requirement and for a 32 antenna system even at all of the bandwidth the total number of qubit requirement is less than a million and when we go to 64 antenna systems that requirement becomes slightly higher than a million and when we go to larger and larger systems we will need more and more qubits so the take away point from this slide is basically like even for large system like 256 antenna 200 megahertz bandwidth system the total qubit requirement is less than 10 million so let's see like how we do actual like power comparison analysis so for quantum annealing hardware the power consumption is currently 25 kilowatt which is dominated by refrigeration unit and it is not expected to scale significantly for larger devices but the problem becomes like if we have like certain amount of qubit requirement for 5G and if we want to maintain the same power all of these qubits must fall under the same refrigeration unit so this raises the question how many qubits can we actually fit in the refrigeration unit so to answer this question like we consider the physical size of qubits a tile of 8 qubits takes about like 3.35 micrometer squared and in a dilution refrigerator we have an experimental space of about 250 millimeter radius so now this turns into a problem of like classic dice per wafer or how many squares we can fit in a circle and it turns out like about we can fit about 1.75 million dice and each die has like 8 qubits so it turns out like we can fit about 40 million qubits in a single refrigeration unit and since 5G qubit count estimates are like significantly lower than 40 million so QA power consumption we consider is 25 kilowatt so we compute like CMOS hardware power based on like amount of computation and the performance for watt efficiency of CMOS and we do evaluation for like two types of CMOS which is current CMOS 40 nanometer CMOS is a current device it has about like 0.076 terawatt per second per watt efficiency and we also do compare against 1.5 nanometer CMOS which is expected to be the CMOS technology at the end of Moore law scaling and it has about 0.3 terawatt per second per watt efficiency we also account for leakage power in CMOS and it is set to about 30% of the dynamic power and if you look at results like on X axis we have bandwidth on the Y axis like we have power of CMOS 1.5 nanometer CMOS the higher underline corresponds to like the QA power consumption of 25 kilowatt so if we have like a smaller system with like 32 antennas like we cannot get any benefit over CMOS because CMOS power is like already much lesser than QA even for 64 antenna systems we don't get any benefit but when we go to larger and larger systems we start getting benefits so when we go to a system of like 128 antennas we have benefited 180 megahertz bandwidth and 128 antenna systems and when we go to like more larger systems we get benefits over a wide range of bandwidths so the left hand side plot has shown like this is just the baseband power if we look at the entire seat and power so in this scenario the left bar show power consumption when CMOS is at the seat and at the baseband unit and the right bar show that when QA is at the baseband unit so you can see like when QA with QA there is like power reduction in baseband unit and in remote radio heads like you know absolute power reduction but like you know the percentages are different because the total power is different in front hall also we don't have any power reduction because like QA is not solving these problems in power system we do have a reduction because like we don't need additional cooling and if you look at like the entire seat and power consumption we have like several hundred about like 150 kilowatt power reduction when we have QA at base station we have all these things together in a feasibility timeline so on x axis we have year on y axis we have qubit count so the data points in this hash data are the historical qubit counts and after 2020 the extrapolations are basically the extrapolations of best case and the worst case qubit growth respectively so the best case qubit growth trend is from like 2070 to 2020 and the worst case is from 2020 to 2023 so we count scale scales along this best case trend by 2026 we might solve like a small system this system basically corresponds to the number of qubits required over here on the x axis on the y axis so as we go ahead by 2030 we can solve like a larger system and we can solve more larger systems as we move forward but so even if we solve like a small systems like we saw before like we don't get it in small systems so if we want to get a power advantage we need to solve a large enough system and it is projected to be like about 15 years away in the best case if the qubit count scale along this best case thank you I'll take any questions now thank you thank you for your talk we have one question in the chat if you'd like to take a look at the chat and read out the question and reply to it if you expect you need 3 million qubits and a hybrid system yeah actually not in this but in a different work we do consider hybrid approaches basically because if you look at like current near term machines to get like a larger machine it will take a lot of time so we also need to consider hybrid approaches we do consider them so this analysis is not based on chimera or jeffir graph so basically we have some set of problems in wireless networks and we assume like you know the future qa hardware will be exactly as that of the connectivity of i think so it's like a custom hardware and it is not like a bad assumption basically because like the connectivity is very sparse if you look at like LEPC quotes for example like more than 80% of qubits will have about less than 15 couplers per qubit and about less than 2% or 1% will have more than 30 couplers okay are there any other questions if not let's thank our speaker again


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Folks, that was up 112, we get the Nasdaq down 16, S&Ps are off two and a half, and we have a great surprise for everyone out here. Including ourselves. Including ourselves. We got the Channel Master, the Channel Master of the world, of the TFNN. That's right, man. We got our man, Mr. Bud Rolfs. Bud, what's going on, brother? Hey, Tom and Tommy, two of my favorite people in the whole world. Bud Rolfs, what's happening, man? I love that voice, man. Totally. The tigers dance going wild, Bud. The tigers and tigers are going wild in the trading room. Yeah, I didn't think anybody would remember me down there, talking to me after all this time. You're ingrained in everybody's head, baby. You know, I have been in problems over the years and stuff like that, but I think I got a lot of that under control at this point. God has blessed me with so many wonderful things, seven grandchildren, the last three of which were triplets. I know, man. And they're seven years old now. I remember those baby pitches, man. Seven years old now, wow. Yeah, they are. My oldest is just starting to drive, Megan, and it just, you know, you can't believe how time goes by. I know, man, unbelievable. That is really unbelievable. So your oldest is 16 now, oldest grandchild, right? Yes, yes, Megan, yeah. Oh, my. And it won't be long before she's going to college, Tom. That's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing. She seems like yesterday when my kids were going to college. Yeah, and it was. I tell you, man.  Tiger TV and the presentation is so professional. And Tommy Jr., I got to tell you, you are slick on the air.  Thank you, man.  Listen, bud. It's no doubt. For everybody that doesn't know, join it. Bud was a star on TFN and is a star. For a man, a solid decade, 15 years, time is crazy when it goes. You know, everyone's clamoring for your poems, bud. Oh, for my poems? The poetry sessions, man. Yeah, yeah, man, yeah. They kick off those holidays. I still write them for holidays and different occasions. You know, whatever strikes me as something worth writing about. That's awesome, man. And how is Nancy doing? Nancy is fine. God bless her. We've been together now 46 years, Tom. And I always tell the story that I went to West Point and you can't be married at West Point. And then Nancy and I met there and we started, we found love at first sight and we couldn't get married. So I had to wait till after graduation. So I graduated June 6th, 1973. We got married on June 17th, 1973. And the only mistake I made was I wasted 11 days. That's awesome. I love that story. It is so cool, man. It is so cool. Hey, so let me ask you something. Every time I'm bringing up a biotech, man, you know, we talk about it, you're on the air. Are you still hunting these biotechs? Well, I'm in to the one that I got. Tom, you don't believe this, but there's a stock called SREPTA, SRPT. And they do gene therapies, particularly on muscular dystrophy. And I came across this stock way back when I was at TFNN and I bought it for under a buck. Oh, my God. And folks, it's $121 stock right now. Wow. Yeah. And I'm telling you, you can actively trade this. You can hold a long position. It's a great stock. Folks, this stock is going over $200. I'll tell you that right now. That gene therapy is so cool in terms of the revolutionary things that they're doing. But I just brought back, I just got the revenue, right? So check this out, folks. In 2015, they took in $1,000,000. 2019, $395,000,000. Not bad. Yeah, that's, wow. And so they, let's see. So RNA and rare and infectious diseases, right? So what's this? Yeah, they focus on muscular dystrophy. Oh, which is huge. OK, right, right. And there is no cure for muscular dystrophy. And what happens in muscular dystrophy is you lack a certain protein in your genetic structure. And you can't make the thing that makes your muscles work, OK? OK. The secret sauce there. And what they've done has been able to counter that genetically and cause the genes to begin to express that protein. And kids that have muscular dystrophy now suddenly can get out of their wheelchairs and walk. Wow, that's cool. That's pretty intense. Just unbelievable. That is unbelievable. And usually kids with MD, it hits boys almost exclusively. But usually those kids died by about 20, 25 years old. And they're in wheelchairs by age 10. And so this is a drug that is just a miracle. And it's right in Cambridge, Mass. That's what I was going to say, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I've been into that heavily for years. And I've gotten a lot of people into it. So I'm just being popular in those circles. I bet, man. Slightly, right? Making friends, left and right, I'm sure.  Even in 2016, folks, it was an $8 stock. Amazing. It's just pretty wild, isn't it? Yeah. I thought about it. Yeah, so you're coming into the spring up there. That was beautiful, Nashua. Oh, yeah. We have just about got rid of all of our snow. It's April, perfect. That makes any sense to you folks down the floor. And we hear about it. And I heard you guys move to a new headquarters, right? We did. Yeah, it's awesome. We get a studio on one floor, and then we get the offices on another floor. And well, we have some both floors. But yeah, it's pretty neat. Well, you live in the most beautiful part of the world, that's for sure. Yeah. Listen, man. Very lucky. But the last, what, six weeks have been like. Beautiful. It's hard to comprehend, man. This is our time of the year, man. It is bracing for heat. And you guys are still fishing, I assume, once in a while? Are you fishing? I haven't been out enough. No, I haven't been out enough. I got to stuff. You said go out and catch those big wow, didn't you? Well, we caught a couple. Yeah, we did. We need to catch more. We ate those wrong. I know. That was a good deal. I know. I keep saying I'm going to do it. I just got to do it. I just got to do it. I know. Well, to do what you do as well as you do it, the two of you, to get to work together with father and son and to hang around with the Tigers and Tigresses of TFNN, the best people in the world. I am telling you, I've been all over the world time. I've talked to all kinds of folks, gotten to mingle with all kinds of crowds.  Greatest people. You're the best, too, bud. I miss your show, man. Yeah, I know. So many days I was in front of that board running Bud's show, man. Listen to that great program, man. Oh, I remember that. It was awesome. You had a lot of it. Yeah, but you used to have my bumper music had to be Sinatra. That was the key. That's right. That was made the whole show. No messing around, baby. I love it. The good stuff. Well, listen. All right, well, look, I don't want to hold you guys up. But I just wanted to call in as an alumni and a proud tiger and tell you that you are still the greatest Tommy and Tom O'Brien. You can't go wrong with these two folks. Hey, listen, bud, this is awesome.  Oh, wow. Love you, man. Love you, bud. Thanks so much for calling. Hey, God bless you guys. Take care. God bless you, too, man. Love you. That was awesome.