Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? How are you doing? Hello friends This week we are going to be talking about dawn bringers book five there it is tada Yes, it is The the most the most recent dawn bringers entry the book series that heralds the end of this edition and hopefully the dawn of I don't know better version of game and we'll talk about that a whole lot, but let's of course get into some news What do we got? We have a rumor engine we do I mean kind of exciting Okay, why so tell me about it here it is. I had it up accidentally at the beginning why? It's the letter E. Got it. Yeah, it's just it's different I don't know like we've obviously seen better way more interesting stuff before I mean, it's fine It's all just fine. I don't know. I have really mixed feelings about the rumor engines in general Well, let me tell you what's interesting about this one If it means if we're gonna get like an entire stormcast relaunch with a lot of the stuff of the stormcast gets remade And everybody gets thunderstruck up or something like that, right? Okay, and this is like updated paper Toilet paper trails, right off of the off of them like obviously it's way thicker But it also doesn't have the the indented letters, which I always hated I hated the indented letters They should have always just been like One solid piece that you just wrote on it's not hard to do this writing. Okay, and And so like if that's what it is cool if it's some 40k thing also fine, I don't care Which is entirely just as likely to be right so Sure knows sure Tom. I've been stung recently.  Okay, right? I I watched the show though I watched the AMA with you and Tyler where Tyler was was perpetually trying to feed you more questions And you're like we're done. We're done. You got one more. We're done Yeah, yeah, well, you're in it for the next one I just want you to know the next day of may we do and I've promised that the next one is no game or hobby questions It has to be anything else Yes, if you remember We did that a number of years ago for as a fundraiser. We did. Yes, I know you remember that Yeah, I mean that that's been that's been like six years or something ridiculous Well, it sounds like we need to do it again People's burning questions about how the rest of our boring lives have to be answered um, clearly but the The you know, like I guess we'll see is is my statement But I was burnt because remember two weeks ago or whatever We had the elk horns and I was really excited. I was like cool. We're gonna get an elk like a cool deer thing I love deer.  Yeah, exactly Uh, anyways, so there you go. No martin. I did not make the sesame street joke. I did not okay, so, uh All right, what do we got next? Um, yeah, uh, interesting funny story. Adepticon preview is coming And they've kind of alluded to it Um, apparently sigmar lied So I've heard like those are well, hold on those are those are later, right? It is or you wanting to go that's separate. That's separate save that for a second. Let's talk about the adepticon preview first. Okay okay, um A decidedly fantasy tilted Main show here Okay, sure because they have this little separation for just like we've got teasers for these things Which means you're not going to get much right you're going to get like a little video about some small thing for necromunda and horis heresy Yep, so the main show you got 40k and kill team, but other than that. That's all fantasy stuff underworlds work right old world sigmar, right? Yeah So that's exciting And uh, you know, I mean Here's our times by the way. I did grab the timesheet as well. So depending on where you are in the world find your appropriate time I'll be there in person and here's my question like this event just so so everybody understands Yeah, okay. This event is at 8 p.m Chicago time. Yeah, I remember Yep And obviously I'll be there in the room And I don't worry Hades. I didn't forget. We'll talk about him in a minute I will not be um, I'll be in pennsylvania on a work trip. I understand you're a loser And who needs to get better planning of your schedules, but that's all right I don't have control of it. I that's that's what a loser says tom. Uh so the um This this is at 8 p.m Here's my question. Is this really going to be a two hour preview show? I can't believe that I cannot believe it for a second Okay, I mean normally It'll be 15 minutes of crowd work warm up I they've cut the crowd work nova last year. No crowd work. They got up They talked then they launched into this thing and it was just like blop blop blop blop blop blop blop here It is 20 minutes. We're done Okay Now then what it'll be is this um, it'll it'll be at Uh, it'll you'll have an hour Right and then the actual like global thing will run at 10 That's what it is Will here's the question Am I going to be able to go back to my room and do the live show before the actual thing premieres? Am I going to actually beat? Everybody am I going to beat them to the punch of their own show? Next week possibly possibly.  No Right. Yeah. No, you need to get out your phone and take pictures and do like the potato The thing that they do not allow you to do and will very aggressively come up and stop you from doing Very aggressively because like I I had my phone out to answer someone's text At nova or something and what's a very nice guy came from his name. I I'm sorry. I'm blanking on his name I've met him like a hundred times. He works for gw. He came up and he was like vince He was like giving me the sick this the signal and like I just sat like I was like, oh, yeah Sorry, like I didn't even you don't even think about it. You don't know like your phone Second nature to you like my phone pinged somebody my wife had texted me. I was answering her right Yeah, so Yes, I'm aware. Hades. I I know I definitely I want to I want to honestly I want to get a crew I want to have a Muppet theater of people behind me to do this review show. I'm hitting up like everybody to come join me Just everybody pile in my room. We're all gonna sit around And and do this review show. It's just going to be a discussion about it. That's that's my honest plan We'll see what actually happens. Well, I'm sorry that I couldn't be there I'm sure it'll be delightful indeed The only other thing to mention from the little preview article teaser was this little guy This is what was mentioned mr. Bone dog from obr His official title was his a turadic prowler Sure, why not? Bone dog bone dog Uh, okay. I mean Okay Bone dog. I am excited to understand the story for this one. All right Okay, because what do you mean? Well, I'll tell you what I mean tom Here you go What's the story of obr? Well, like what is the what is the in-world narrative story of obr? They are collecting the bone tithes and Um Going around In acting. How are they amazing? Oh, they're shaped they're shaped into bone constructs. Okay, so my bone shapers sure There are bone constructs bodies that they collect and then they build into hollow husks. Yes Yeah, what do they fill them with? Uh, like spirit energies souls specifically multiple souls Okay, the point being is OBR as a concept Is the following? Sigmar took all the best souls and continues to do so to make his storm cast which negash is upset about right?   So tom My question for you is the following This is a dog or something like that. Okay, like I understand it might not actually be a dog But within the parlance of like varsity blues logic. It's a dog.  No, that's wrong Dogs in the mortal realms have souls Yeah, okay, and and he's gathered a bunch of the goodest of boys. No, no No, remember all the goodest boys have to be going to sigmar So he's getting like a bunch of average dogs He's getting the pound dogs and all the pound dogs are being shoved The pound dogs are usually the best dogs. These are like the ones that bit people I don't know. There's probably like police dogs like I don't know the middling dogs like, okay Like these are narc dogs military dogs.  There's just bad dog souls. Okay. Yeah Does that mean that there are hero dogs that are good enough to become To get reforged Okay, well grip hounds deep strike So they're but they're not they don't get the armor and stuff Are they immortal? They have they have van braces like they have little van braces Okay, I mean I would assume that the lord castlins don't have to replace their dogs every time they come back Like they're probably still have their goodest of boys always deep striking with them I guess like always traveling riding the lightning, right? Yeah, I don't know Yes, no offense to it. Of course, all dogs are good dogs. Yes. I understand just being funny. Um the like my I just have so many questions. This just feels like the dumbest thing like there's no way this works narratively That's all I'm saying But if it does work narratively I for one cannot wait for storm cast storm hounds Okay, give me the storm hounds because now this this tit for tat move that degaashton sigmar have I want to see sigmar's response. He has to make the heavily armored Mastiff cavalry, right Well, what I'll say is this Um, I'm sure that maybe it wasn't a gosh. Maybe it was just a bone shaper that missed his dog He's like I okay. I I remember I remember Or maybe it was a guy That was like a vet and it's a vet and all of his texts that have been shoved into one body And so all of them just love animals and so they're like, you know what? I got it. I need my bestest of boys But again, that still means that in immortal realms is canonical that dogs have souls So animal assuming the animals writ large have souls Correct or or This guy didn't really care what he was doing to the souls and shoved a bunch of human souls into his new goodest of boy construct Because you know some people like to do the pet thing So maybe he's like he found those handful souls that wanted to be shoved into a dog body and they're into it just Yeah Yeah, okay Any who this is this is where we're out with the narrative gw. Yeah, thank you So anyways, here's where we are. I don't know if this raises more questions than it answers Uh, but I look forward to this war cry war band because that's what it is.  So cool. I'm sure I'm sure That was a lot of talk about something that I thought was pretty silly and funny. Um, Now Well, I mean here's the reality that the gw team understands their market And they know animals like Everybody's all about the animals Like that's just uh like from old sculpting standpoint. And so they just leaned into it. So I get it. Yep All right. So now tom. Here we go. This is on mute. So we won't I'll just let it play here Um, but yes Sigmar lied Okay, cool. So we have some green lightning. We have the sound of shittering rats We have the thunder we have bells tolling in the distance. Yeah, we have scaven. Got it. Got it Um, do you think that the main preview at adepticon will be book six? Because we won't have book six yet. Like we have five at this point Certainly that it will cover book six at the at the preview. Yeah, I don't that's what I'm saying Like they'll say like the conclusion of the narrative blah, blah, blah, blah, right And then they'll probably like let us know who the focus is. It's probably chaos spoiler. Um, and then And then probably lean I'll leave off with a new edition this summer That type of thing and maybe show off some yeah video Model stuff. I think we'll get pretty deep into it. Yeah, we'll see the new scaven and everything like I mean If it's like the 40k preview last year, we we saw basically what the launchbox was going to be right? I mean that was like we saw the thing I I would certainly imagine this is going to be the same thing Where we'll see the new scaven sculpts that come in the launchbox at minimum and and the new stormcast and everything like that Yeah, I know that it's going to be stormcapped We all know that I know in my bones I know that it's probably going to be re-sculpts of the original stormcast. Yeah It makes me sad This should have been a city's box a combination of cities with a stormcast unit or two. Yeah, we all know that but here we are I know I know that's what this should have been sure Yeah, uh, sigmar lied. I find this to be the least interesting teaser ever by the by Okay, really really like I I think that it's interesting Like he grabbed my attention He's a god And he's not like we know he's not a god.  He's a god, right? And like Yeah Okay, they all do all the time constantly. That's kind of the whole thing Like I don't get it. So what? Like What I don't want more than anything tom is for age of sigmar to be this like super grim dark steeped in Whatever whatever world like yes, it's a it is a Lights in the darkness world. It's not it's not a grim dark world and there is a there is a distinct difference there There is there is I heard somebody speculating that this could potentially be I think it was maybe rob Speculating this could be the horseracy of aos Where we'll have a bunch of civil war-esque Activities because of the new like the split factions that are forming Um was one of his theories because like we have the two factions of daughters We have the two factions in sylvaneth. We have the two factions And yeah, yeah, like we're seeing this repeatedly I mean if there was ever a time to do gold factions that would be it, right? Sure would be to to lean into something like that if they wanted to do that Yeah, um that said I'm not convinced I I highly doubt it. It just feel that would feel so derivative Somebody somebody at the helm has to be like like well, we're not just going to do that again Please for the love of god understand how derivatively awful that would be like there's no way they're actually sitting there going This is a good idea It they're not that creatively bankrupt. They have good people in charge of the sort of background Agreed. I like it makes me wonder if like let me ask this What do you think the lie is about? Who knows the reforging process The security of azir those are the two most popular guesses Yeah, I could be either. I really hope I really hope it's neither of those Okay I hope that Uh He lied like do give us a real curveball Okay He lied He's not sigmar Sigmar died Okay, and he's like some guy It's balthazar guilt like that. That's he's like he's like it was me. It was in the mask the whole time Like it's some guy and he's had to like pretend to be this barbarian king for a thousand years Okay, like he's a powerful guy whatever, but he's just some guy. It's somebody else. That would be hilarious Right if he was just like some dude Danny like what's your actual name? I don't know steve. I don't really remember anymore. It's been a long time You know like if it's just like sigmar lied and they can there there's a flaw in the reforging Yeah, we all know we've known that since the beginning that was like part of the very first Stuff it's not a reveal to us. It's not a teaser to us If it's oh sigmar lied and azir has holes in it and it can be vulnerable to certain attacks like yeah We know that too again in some of the earliest narratives skaven. We're sneaking in every so often too azir Who cares the office of the dawn bringer crusade Well, i'm gonna we're gonna talk about that tonight. Don't worry. There's where did that office come from? The the of the twin tailed comet and why they're going out Yeah Was that sigmar? No, it's not him directly. He doesn't he doesn't give these kinds of things directly I I was saying because I wonder he doesn't offer these are instructions directly. He's a very distant god I was wondering if that was going to be where they went with it Which was That neither of the cities are going to succeed like the prophecy has been one's going to succeed one's going to fail You know and like by sigmar's promise or whatever and actually the truth is is that both of them fail Like both of them were just so bad that like neither crusade actually takes root. I mean I don't know man. I don't know Honestly, the most interesting reveal trailer was the one we got for second edition where which was the joke trailer Which was you can't solve all your problems by just releasing more storm cast the hell I can't and then he hits the button like that was that's sigmar like I believe a hundred percent That's that dude's attitude Okay, accurate character is accurate Okay, he is just a barbarian king like he's he's conan. That's what he was meant to sort of that's what he was riffing on in his original creation right Back in the first mention. I know of sigmar. I don't know if I do not know when he was actually created I'm just saying the first mention. I'm aware of him is in hero quest Okay, he is a character that shows up in hero quest as like a barbarian So Okay Anyways, that's a good game. Sure. Sure You know like whatever man like just just make it something interesting to us the viewer Having people in the world go like oh goodness is not If it's something we already know it's okay Like cool, man Yeah, the other question that I have is that who is saying Who is who is making the claim that sigmar lied? That's the other thing that's interesting to me. Sure. Um, it's interesting if it's not chaos or death or destruction sure Like I this is probably not the launch of the umbraneth Right of malaria and folks, but that would be a very like on On brand Thank for malaria to open with like his introduction into the story Is the revealing that sigmar lied. Sure. I mean look what what do we want? We want that scaven figure out how to reforge That's all we want No, that's what you want.  That's what you want All right, look Vindicate me. Okay. That's all I'm saying Uh It would be it would be amazing if if another Species figured out how to reform and it was scaven of all the things so like they start dying And like they start work lightning back to the battlefield like showing up in cracks of green lightning That'd be incredible. Oh, there were what was green lightning in the trailer, right? Yeah, man. Let's go lightning comes down at the end Let's let's go. Let's go scaven reforged. Come on. Come on, baby Give me that good good. Show me some storm vermin that like show up and they're like Just like big huge armored storm vermin like that would be amazing It'd be amazing.  Give me give me those like five foot nine Ridiculous five foot eleven scaven Six foot rat cast, right? Like that's that's what I want to see just these these chad cast out there They the the chad cast cracked the uh the formula the tech the sigmar tech the lightning tech That's what they've been doing in azure this whole time is spying trying to figure out the lightning tech and they they'd gotten it Um or maybe azure Maybe all the lightning is simply ooh Maybe all of what sigmar has built his army on like all like his brand, right? Yeah, like all the lightning and all that. Yeah, sure he's Is simply um warp lightning Like maybe maybe maybe it is hardest work when grungy originally built the the smith because it was obviously grungy and the six smiths Who built the the reorigin engine originally when they did they were stealing scaven tech Well, no, they're stealing chaos energy Like the whole thing a whole house the the maybe the lie is the whole house is built on Chaos energy chaos chaos energy like yeah, and that in that like the that all That the lightning isn't sigmar's in sigmar's control But rather he is simply controlling the warp lightning that is that the that the scaven freely embraced. Yeah I'll take it. I'll take any of it. Let's go if it means scaven get to show up in sweet sigma armor. I'm here for it That's all I want Okay, I mean they're they were halfway there already, right? Let's let's go all the way.  We need to go all the way. All right Tom let's move on that brings us up to through a very long new segment. Let's talk about some pick of the week Yeah What do you what do you got for everybody? So I went a different direction this week. I have a pick you do But it's not a typical one um, and I did this because uh The person who I'm sprucing made a joke to me and I said, oh, you think that's funny. I'm going to do it and so The channel I'm going to actually uh, we're sharing today is a youtube channel like a Like a fortnight me me rocket league channel and it's actually my son So Make all the jokes in the comments now My son made it to making content before I did he did it's true Um, and he already has he's already beat me on subscribers. He's Seemingly better at it than you too. So which isn't uh, he is he's more reliable His first video was him and I playing together. Most of them are short reels. It's a lot of me me stuff um, so go check it out give it a like the channel and uh Let's see if we can push him over a thousand subscribers It's a very magical milestone for youtube for a lot of reasons. Yes.  There you go. So a 13 year old. Yep. And so we want to encourage this behavior um And maybe it'll catch on and I'll do something someday. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you bro. Don't nepo baby. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Writing on your coattails of fame tom um All right four. I mean again, he's clearly better at it than I am so Yep Uh, for me, I'm gonna my uh pick of the week as our our good buddy two plus tough dug Uh, who has who has a video talking all about making sweet robits for space station zero He's doing a space station zero run and he's getting some robits ready Uh, so I have that video linked down there and if you say vince, what the heck is space station zero? I say to you Space station zero is the second game that uncle adam and I made. It's our sci-fi uh survival uh game And uh, some roguelike elements and stuff like that as you're exploring the husk of a long abandoned empty dilapidated but impossibly large space station and uh, so That's obviously available down below along with all the other games adam and I have created such as rain and hell and majestic 13 and our yearly zine snarl Which most recently had tanks for the apocalypse in it and soon we'll be home to our next game Coming soon That is finishing up editing right now as we go Uh, and where everybody should be really excited for this I Tom I I want it like obviously you haven't seen it you that you've seen the game you and I did a lot of Work on I have definitely seen the game You haven't seen some of the art yet But boy oh boy I was reviewing our most recent tranche of art submissions and we've got some people are going to be Excited we got some bangers. We got some bangers on this one. Yeah get into it So anyways, check out Doug down below talking about space station zero everything Even toms is actually down in the comments because he sent it to me 30 seconds after we were supposed to go live, but he did get three of you started Have already subscribed to this channel So congratulations to three of you that just did that i'm proud of you fantastic Uh hit like for tom's nepo baby and and tom's son frankly being more successful than tom It took tom like 40 years to get a career of any kind together I'm gonna love it when your son has a full-fledged career by 16 Uh, yeah, we'll see. I mean i'll say this uh, he's outrageously outlandishly good at fortnight Embarrassingly though. There you go uh And somebody said vince's dogs channel win. Look my dogs would be way more successful than I could ever hope to be We've got to contain them. It's it's it's that's break the internet. So Uh, that's that's the problem there. All right tom Let's talk about some hobby time Uh, what are you been working on buddy? Um, I ripped out two walls this week.  Um I In reality, I've been painting uh working on the commission that I I mean I should be working on the army that I'm going to be running in three weeks At the at the at the lexington event, but I'm not I'm not painting those yet because I'm trying to get farther in this uh In this stupid commission So we'll see Okay, uh Uh hypo hypothermic mac guys hypothermic ice. There you go. Yo, what's up with the dark oath stuff? They're talking about the website now. It's just cast marauders with a new faction sticker. Yeah, correct It's the replacement for marauders and marauder horsemen and all that like dark oath has always been around But they finally are expanding the dark oath concept and it's just it's part of s2d It's just that's the new labels for stuff retiring the old bad sculpts and bringing in the new awesome guys Okay, my hobby time has largely been spent On this thing Robots on this giant robert. He's real big He might look he I showed him last week and he probably looked somewhat similar, but trust me. This is very different This is a lot of additional work Because you just it's all detail work. I I am aware of that. I know how this goes It's a long process to get these skeletons up to snuff, but there's some videos that'll be made out of him we've got a lot of the the the metal sort of stained and and streaked and stuff like that And uh, yeah, so that's where he is big big robert skeleton It's starting to have that nice worn weathered grimy industrial look. We want Uh, we'll probably go a little farther with some stuff as it goes But that's what i'm working on the armor for him is back There sitting on my table. You can see it. And then the other my other hobby time was getting all these bags That's nice. See I can just point with him. See these bags over here. Tom right there. Yeah There's a way he's well stuck on there. See isn't that nice? Yeah fearless um The uh All those bags are I had to prepare all my miniatures this last weekend for teaching at adepticon next week So that was a lot of time getting all that stuff prepped up and ready to go. But they're all ready to rock um Also, if you all didn't see it the hobby cheating of video from last week was Vince and I's board that we did for havoc Yes, so Vince would never spruke his own stuff. So but I will mention it For a holy war. No, was it havoc? It was havoc. Yeah, it's for havoc. Yeah I just sat on that footage for a long time But yes, it just kept getting moved around to release it for that one. That was a good video. It was a lot of fun It was good. It was worse. It was only worse not havoc Um, it was it was the our event in the fall. It was isn't that havoc. That's havoc Oh, it is. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it doesn't matter either way It was a lot of fun. It's good to have you in there and it was a good chance to get a lot of dogs in there Uh, Caleb, you know, I'll be at adepticon buddy. I'll see you there, brother Uh, it's gonna be good to see everybody Uh, all right, so yeah, that's been my hobby time. I doubt I'll get he's not gonna be done by the time I go to adepticon next week this giant night But I'm hoping to get uh, at least the skeleton in a pretty decent place And then I'll start working on the armor when I get back All right, tom with that With all of that Tom, are you ready? Are you prepared? Are you excited? To talk about dawn bringers book five I mean not really Like I Was sad that I had missed the shows previously I missed like one of them and then when we got to the last one. I'm like not like we can just I could miss this It's fine. Yeah Okay, well, let's talk about review and rules talk about what's in dawn bringers book five in Here we go. What's in what's in this book right here? Okay so Overview this is one of the lightest rule sets Of any book so far. So if you were looking for some hot new content There is the littlest amount of it. That doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means it's the the smallest by Amount count the light. Yes. It's a light touch. That's right So tom there are new rules for strong points. We'll talk about those more in a minute Yeah, but what we're dealing with here is basically terrain that has real rules Okay, sure and can like be destroyed and interacted with and there's also like a battle plan For playing with these things But they show up in all the other stuff in there strong points show up in like the path to glory They show up in the strong point assault pack, which we'll talk about in a second On the more traditional match play rule side. You've got Uh An army of renown for doc with crathus a la or whatever her her army, right? And you've got the regiment of renown for the for the uh Saviors of cinderfall callous and toll and friends. Okay. Yep Uh, so one regiment one army Doc and cities although any order army can use Callous and toll Um And then you've got a big chunk of the rules of this dedicated to a new battle pack Now good side. I like that. We're finally using battle pack technology to do something Okay Bad side this is about teams of four facing off against each other like the euro teams game style of play, right? Mm-hmm. I do not have any idea who this battle pack is for I do not know who this battle packs for Because I mean if people who are who are teams players like like four player teams players You can tell me if you're in the chat If you're excited to use these like extra strong points rules And have like destructible terrain and these this is like the way you pick is different than I think how they normally do it on The teams choosing it just like it's very weird Because it doesn't seem like the four player teams that I'm familiar with for what like worlds players and people like that play But it also is not a thing I can ever picture I can't picture like going to a store and being like, hey do eight people want to play age of sigmar and do this four on four Blind man's bluff choosy thing with destructible terrain stuff Who is this four? Um, you know what? They're wanting to like they're they're exploring is what I would say like this is how I read this was hey Let's let's explore what other ways to other styles or other ways to play looks like I guess that's how I that's how I read this um that they are wanting to um Um to try to think outside the box of standard one-on-one play and and I appreciate that Even if I don't like I I struggle to see a space that this will get utilized Yeah, my my issue with this is Valentin just said seems fun for narrative guys actual team events for another use this narrative people are never going to do this four on four thing Right, I just literally can't picture the people or person or group of people This is actually for who will use this this has to be the least used battle pack. They've ever published I cannot imagine this being used. No, I think the flying one was probably the least That wasn't a full battle pack. That was just some like a mini game There yeah Like I I can't I So one agree good move using battle pack technology. Let's see more of that Two I agree with you. Let's experiment more with non sort of mono a mono game modes Okay But this is what we came to We didn't do doubles. We didn't do like a multiplayer Just coalition of death four players facing off not trying for treachery Like this this is what not all this is it. This was the next choice Like this choice is so wild and and completely insane to me I don't even know what because it's like a full battle pack Grand strats new battle tactics the whole shooting match tom top to bottom. This is like armor. This is the thing you're using And it just feels like the biggest miss in the world I I I don't know Uh Yeah, nicky says organizing dnd for six is difficult eight for warhammer is insane tom what is my rules for organization of the dnd game? What what is the rules that no one gets to come that like no one misses a game Well, no one misses a game and then the table is not open Correct. Like it is a very select Uh, invite if you have made it to the elite club of my table You better be here. You better show up and if you're not here It better be for a good reason and I better be notified a week in advance of what is happening These are all true statements regarding vince's dnd table. I say that's not that's how you do not lie A weekly game as I have every week for 23 years You have to be Like to know more like well winter people available. This is the day You're all here or this game's done period Okay, anyways, there we go. We'll have to talk about dnd some other time. We should do a dnd related show We should a glimpse into vince's world. Yeah, this is that this is this is what it is This is what it means to be vince's if you've ever been at holy havoc or holy wars and seen how I run the raffle Same story. It's the same story. Okay Uh, all right. Okay So let's uh, I want to talk about strong points a little bit. Okay Because strong points are just this independent floaty rules thing. They're there Uh effrin said dnd weekly effrin if I was ever like Suddenly didn't have to do my normal job I will tell you right now. I would do a magic show on monday's I would do warhammer on wednesday and I would do a dnd show on fridays like that is what I would do three live shows a week and that would be what would what would be happening. I'll tell you right now But unfortunately, you you might actually be able to support yourself that way as a content creator With those other audiences the not warhammer audience and I'd put them all on the same channel Like I'm not starting your channel forget that my channel is just my name. It's not it's fine Okay, I want to talk about strong points. It's its own, uh Sort of rule set so you can use it to anything right like obviously they they just Sprinkle it throughout this book like salt bay or whatever right? They're just strong points. Okay So I thought well, let's give it a look. Is this something we would want to use Like Is this something we'd want to use for our regular match play games? I don't know maybe let's have a look Um, richard sort of not really not like in the traditional sense It's not like at a full con There is always some people painting around on like some other tables outside of the event and stuff But you'd have to have like your own light and gear and stuff like that in other words. There is a table but nothing else Yeah, I mean what I would say richard is that like there are a handful Come very fairly regularly. They don't play but they do set up a table out in like a lobby area Yeah Just outside like there's two get different gaming rooms of tables And there's a shared common space in between those and I've seen a lot of folks set up tables out there and Like spouses will often like sit out there doing work and some people will come and just hang out in paint and stuff like that. So All right, so let's talk strong points. So tom, I got some sample strong points in here This isn't all of them. I didn't I'm not gonna like, you know, it's not everything in the book There's there's more strong points than what I'm showing here. I just grabbed a couple at random But it's that some of the terrain you've seen Okay So like you've got the little idle guy Right, the little dude or or the nexus siphon. Both of these like came out of the the box set that had the um the the dumb The Yeah, uh The Incarnate that had the incarnate in it. Okay. So like the girl the girl realm terrain box. Yep, exactly Uh, so the guardian idle 15 wounds five resources four up save right Uh resources means something depending on what you're doing with with strong points and whatever but Um, the train feature is a strong point. It's impassable and then like for the guardian idle Friendly models within three inches of the train feature have a ward of six up Like this is actually included basically in your army. Like it's your strong point, right? So friendly models means like if it's the stuff in your army if the enemy gets near it, they don't have it, right? Okay The nexus siphon is like 20 wounds worth eight resources It's got a four up save again impassable And then friendly models affected by a guardian idle's sentinels of civilization scenery rule have a ward of five up Instead of six up if the guardian idle is within 24 inches of this terrain feature. So like they're they work together That's why I wanted to show both of these, right? Yeah Uh, and then here a couple a couple of interesting ones They have like they kind of go across the the aos train. They have some older ones in here It'd be great if baleful realm gates were still available Sure So like the domicile shell like just the walls your l-shaped wall, right your classic l-shaped wall Each time a model in a friendly unit holy within six inches of any terrain features with this scenery will flees Roll a die on a four plus that model does not flee Is that just because they run into the wall and can't get away? Is that that's it? Is that all that is?  So they're comfortable sure And then the baleful realm gate at 20 wounds because which is it's not a very normally They're kind of more match the size, but this thing's like because it's so powerful. It's like a magical thing Uh, and if you remember tom, you know in early aos we did play these things with rules You remember when they launched the initial train set and they all had like rules and we would use them Oh, I remember we use realm gates all the time on my table and you could teleport You know, I own a book that's on my shelf that it's just aos terrain. That's right So the baleful realm gate is 20 wounds four up save again impassable yada yada At the end of your movement phase, you can pick one friendly unit holy within nine of the strain feature If you do so remove that unit from the battlefield and place it to one side as a reserve unit At the end of your next movement phase, you set it up anywhere on the battlefield holy within seven Of the battlefield edge and more than nine from all enemy units Okay, sure.  Yeah, that's fine. It's fine. It's not as cool as when you could just teleport between the realm gates. That was way cooler Yeah, um So here's my question tom Yep Are these things is is this an interesting way to go? philosophically To have terrain with hard rules like this that you can optionally use or not On your table like do you like this as an option as an arrow in your quiver?  Do you think it's a good thing that they are on there? Okay, so let me let me lean into something that you guys said this week. Okay Okay, um, the answer is yet. It's yes and okay um, and the right answer here is that this is how Um, realistically from the beginning all faction terrain should have worked Um in that we should have had a stable of terrain pieces that you could bring for your army That you could put on your board as part of your like display board or whatever and then you could include it in your army and Faction like so there would be some generic terrain that players could bring which would help toos out. Yep. Um and uh For those that have faction trained they could sub in faction train for this other Okay That's like that's how it should always have been like if you're going to do that so that everybody had an option You can you can bring your own special kind of bennies Right that you can create low like low chi on the battlefield that would give some type of buffs or some type of fortifications or whatever It would help fill out the tables. It would ease a strain on toos Like I think that I think that's a slam dunk like all the way down And it made sense like you could you know, it's functionally mirroring how they've done endless spells. Yep Well, that's just an error point or anything. It's just up you choose to include on the table, right? I understand. But what I'm saying is is that you could have a stable of generic terrain pieces Or you could bring in your army specifically sure Here's what I'll say. Here's my take on it I don't mind it as long as it's wholly optional Sure, what I mean by that is like if it's wholly optional and you don't like it don't use it cool end of story Right, right, but if they're going to put out a terrain piece in these boxes I'd actually like it to have rules where I can actually do something on the table where it can be meaningful Now stuff like the domicile shell is so weak Like with what it does. I like what what is this now? What what? I'm sorry. What? It's a scaven terrain piece where you Put your low uh or it's a or it's a gloomspite terrain piece where you put your low break Yeah, yeah, sure. Stop your your gets from fleeing like whatever. Um So, you know, whatever whatever on the the quality of these rules, but Conceptually, I like the idea like if you're going to create the the terrain piece. It seems you could go the last mile and have these Simply be like they should have rules. So if people want to include them they can And as long as it's wholly optional like both players can choose to include up to eight resource points worth of Uh Whatever in the army like if both players agree you can both include up to eight resource points worth of Of strong points in your army and set them up with your army like okay. Yeah, sure. Cool. Fine. Great. You know, cool, right I have no problem with that. Like that seems fine. I I think it's a you know, like tournaments is a whole separate issue Like I agree with you. There's an advantage with allowing for the to do it But there's also some downsides to it, but it is what it is the But having like real terrain rules seems very much a positive, especially if they're actually interacting with the board again Optionally, I cannot state that enough.  They should just be able to put together a board that they look they like that looks pretty and Mark certain things impassable And mystic or whatever don't use those rules even right just like this is impassable. This is cover and that's the end of the story Yep Yep So yeah, I mean I would find it compelling If people could like if it if it was a build option Like a light touch build option for Army construction like I I find that super interesting I don't ever want to make buying terrain part of my actual army construction I'm not I'm what I'm saying hear me like I'm not saying that it costs points Right. Yeah, like you can have it as part of your army construction. Just like you pick a grand strat Like if all the players decide they want to use this this rule Right, or it could be in a battle pack or whatever like but but but what I would do is I would unify it with um faction terrain And I would also probably unify it Dare I say with endless spells as well make it all part of the same resource pool Sure So it's just all coming from a resource pool you select and then optionally you can choose to use these elements or not Turn them all around universally. I don't hate that. I don't hate that The endless is probably the only one I don't like but I do agree that like faction terrain would be great If it just became optional and like if it if it wanted to be included it took up some kind of resource points like that's fine Yeah, like let it live in that space. Let it be something that's optional that toos can turn on And so but that also means that like terrain needs to not be an essential part of like balancing for armies Like that needs to be a layer that's assuming like it's almost all a completely universal choice Like that's to say anyone piece is available to anyone, right? Yeah Yeah, except for faction train. It would be except for the faction train And the other thing that I would say with it is that I think that I really think endless spell should be in there too And just pull them out of point Like look at the last three years of endless spells like how much of a nightmare Has has the point rebalancing and the rewriting of those war roles been But you're not going to just you're not going to get any disagreement from me Right because because like finding those will always be moving targets Right from a point standpoint Because of how that needle keeps moving on the valuation within an army right And everything else and now it's competing for unit space and all that But if it was outside of that resource pool, it was a different resource pool. I think it would be Like or let me say this.  So this is then competing with Your resource pool of bonus spells.  I hate that I know you hate that as one it takes the most complicated section of the book that nobody understands Like a new players especially and makes it more complicated But importantly too it takes all of those things and assigns a point value I understand they all have some kind of resource point. I I get it And you get to make x choices whatever that's more complicated because making more choice equals complexity tom You should know this that's how game design works. I I understand that I understand that But we're already making those choices but hiding those choices in other things like number two reason I don't like it is Choosing an artifact costs me nothing. I mean that in money terms real world money terms. Okay Choosing terrain means I have to go buy this stupid thing which may or may not be available Like because if you if you want that thing sure Yeah, well some of which I may want if that's what I want for my army. I gotta go pay for this stupid thing Some would say that modeling items Likewise cost money like for those that want to model the like the items. It most certainly does not and it is not required But I cannot just set up Uh, a coke can and call it a domicile shell I mean you you do but that's fine Okay I mean like I see your cardboard terrain Vince. Yeah, that's fine. And I don't call it that thing All right, I have I have I I yes, I class they just use my own terrain also. That was like my mordheim board Uh, I have perfectly fine and serviceable terrain for my table. Thank you very much tom um the uh like I As I just hate it because it that the more it's there the more it's integrated into those core systems The more it just feels like it's going to not be optional that it's no longer optional when it's wrapped in with all that crap I mean sure a separate subsystem. That's just like if you all want to use this thing Here's rules to make your little buildings real Well, historically I hear that but what I'll say is this if you do it that way it will never get ever Just like malign portents and just like ever every other subsystem that has ever been created We have no instance of any subsystem in aos that's ever been Ever been created that's been adopted by the event uh seen as a whole who cares. I don't care about them They're not the people that are I I'm saying in any type of like, uh community wide penetration So I don't know about that I don't know what's going on people's table that they do or don't use certain rules I just want to give people options for what they they can play with at their tables. That's way more important The tournament scene will decide to do whatever the tournament scene decides to do Okay And like that's fine They can it can they can adopt it and say everybody has to bring a piece of terrain or not And one of these pieces of train or not. I don't care. Okay Hey, but it's that's completely irrelevant to being up to each to decide individually how they would want to use it Uh, hey gareth, what's up? um Yes, what I mean is like to's like gareth are going to make decisions that they're going to make based on what they think Is going to be the strongest tournament And if that means using a subsystem, they'll use it if it means does not using a subsystem. They won't that's the beginning it ended Okay, and people who want to play in that tournament will will do that or not But that doesn't have anything to do with like these optional subsystems that are out there Like is is it adds more? Options for people to play and enjoy and engage with the game and get value from the toy that they bought It makes the toy more useful. That's it. I hear that and what I'm saying is is that My supposition is that when you look across the war hammer Like ecosystem as a whole Subsystems are just not generally being deployed almost at all. Again. I don't know. I'm not in people's basements, man I don't know what they're doing. Uh, this would be a great thing for us to gather data on But what I would say is this I ain't never seen path to glory painted a tournament But my my understanding is a lot of people do enjoy it Well, and this would be an interesting thing to like what what percentage of the community regularly engages What percentage of the community regularly engages? What percentage of the community regularly engages in these subsystems that have been created? Yeah, I don't know My suspicion is very very few. I that's a neat supposition based on zero data um But like and and by the way even if it were true that still wouldn't be anything because that would be correlation not causation That'd be like you're at the you're at the depths of logical fallacy right now um, I like because bad subsystems might not get adopted but good subsystems might people have But what I'm saying is you've never seen any subsystem. That's really okay. Moby points. Did people adopt that? There was there was no way to To balance any systems in those first 15 different people who tried different ways to decide what was to be brought to the table And the least two people made a version that got adopted There have been other systems that get end up getting used the terrain system that rob made And that other people have also gone has largely become the standard for what tournaments use like Disagree subsystems that are quality Get implemented because they're quality Okay subsystems that are bad do not because tos aren't dumb Yeah, but again, I'm not just but I agree with you to go back to what you said I don't It's not just about events like if you walk into your normal local store Enrolled dice at the the pickup games on saturday. No one is using subsystems there No one's using tons of rules from the game there. No one's using mystical terrain What is that that's part of the I'm aware is that I'm aware system Okay, I am super aware again. That's what I'm saying It has nothing to do with its placement in the game as being optional or not, which is what I'm arguing for It has to do with the quality of the thing. Does it enhance the game or not? Like is it actually a good system that enhances the game? That's it man And exactly what gareth said malign sorcery started as a subsystem tos adopted it. So it was added to the main game like And an optional way like is this the the the next question is is this a preview for fourth edition?  Here's this optional thing where you can actually put the little toys That you want to some kind of use here's the rules form I think that feels very much like what they would do Yeah, I mean, I guess what we'll have to say is the answer sure um Yeah I mean this feels like it could easily be one of those preview things We're like it's not this system exactly, but it's something akin to this right whatever fits in the next in the next world Because I mean I like there's been a rumor going around that everything's getting indexed and I've been and like I know you're you're all behind it Of course everything will be indexed like it's the fourth edition. So like that's yeah, it's time It's time to index Like we haven't done it in a while. It's time Shut it down start over That's what we do every three editions Much like the great wheel itself Uh tom it's always it's always rotating and always coming back to the same place Well, what that means is that let's just tuck in for uh inequality and unbalance or The opposite could be the opposite who knows but it's always fun But you know tom if if the recent if the recent addition change for Uh 40k is any indication I'd still take into see a thousand times over every over using your four-year-old battle tome Like well hundred percent and I hear that I hear that So it'll it it will likely become the wild wild wild west if that's the case Moving forward man talking about wild wild west quite a lot today. All right, indeed. So, uh Uh, I'm sorry duggy fresh, but it's probably gonna happen your your rules are probably going away Uh, I hate I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is very likely the situation I don't know anything, but if I if you asked me to place money, I would place a sizable bet Okay, you know tom old ideas eventually come back up That's how the wheel of warhammer works and just like that that means it's story time tom Da-da-da-da There's the segue Okay, story time everybody settle in here. We go. It's story time. It's where vince sarcastically talks about the story from aos And here we go. This is where vince tells the story of the absolute dumbest group of humans that have ever existed in the mortal realms And how they continue to survive despite themselves Here we go Let's get into it Tom you remember how in the last book The twin tailed crusades were heading out there in oxy and And guy ran hit like for story time.  Right, and they just like packed up and bounced remember that. Yep. Okay Well tom, I hate to inform you that unfortunately Smold was actually one of the he was that he was a one of those zinch dudes He's like a three arms on one side. What's the name of that guy the changeling or whatever. Is that what it is? I know it's the uh Uh No, it's not a magister. That's their normal spell caster. It's the impersonator guy. I really think it's the changeling But anyways It turns out that's what happened and they all died like the unique The unique hero. Yeah. Yeah the unique dude. Yeah, yeah the impersonator assassin guy Turns out he was that guy the whole time and then he Killed his second third and everybody in command. Yeah the changeling.   They were doing a reasonable thing, right? This is pointless. We're gonna march back and defend our city that's under attack, right? Yep. Yep What the meta narrative is saying is that no in fact, that's wrong Those people were wrong.  That is in fact the best you can hope for That's a horrible meta text Okay So like that made me actually very upset right Because that's just not good meta text and i'm sure that they weren't thinking about that They just because they I don't think they think deeply about these stories. Frankly. I don't know Um, but it's unfortunate all right But let's uh, let's pick back up with our our Our our groups here, right? Okay So we're going to start off in in oxhi in hammer hall So we start off with uh crethusula. We're going to have a different name for her later as you'll see tom because This is the stupidest most ridiculous character they have ever introduced for reasons that I will I will talk about as we get into it Okay, but she walks into nargari, which is the like canite temple in hammer hall oxhi Yep, and she's like Approaches the hag queen and she's like, oh, you'll see as I have seen Okay, and then like some witches go to attack her and then the doors bust open and doomfire warlocks just ride in Get used to this because I cannot explain tom the number of times in this story I'm about to recount where the sentence and then suddenly Doomfire warlocks busted open the doors and rode in is going to be said I don't know how sneaky people on horses Are but apparently the answer is very sneaky So so sneaky so sneaky People on horses are just sneaking everywhere So, yes a full cavalry unit sneaks its way into the building and then rides in and ambushes and Uh and and kills everybody in there and she takes over Nargari, okay So she's now basically and she worships uh more ag high like a different sort of old god and talks about how that god It's going to be coming back again and blah blah blah all of this Now none of that is really interesting. Here's the interesting part tom. Are you ready?   All right chains of shadow. I don't know slinesh probably that was my first thought that's the The chains in the shadow realm The dying armies just feels like talking about the the two crusades So that seems on point the king with a cloak of masks whose blood turns rivers crimson That's usher on here that that that's actually going to get paid off in this story The skulls piled high as towers is clearly referencing. What's his name? Terry Tate corgis call Like uh, gonna be who's gonna feature heavily in the next story obviously The phoenix consumed by the black sun is going to be my explanation Is there explanation for why there's no more phoenix card tom because like obviously they got written out of the book, right? But the phoenixium still theoretically exists Sure, right like we haven't narratively gotten rid of the phoenixium yet Right. Yep, but they're not in the city's book I have an aos phoenixium force. I am aware So I think they made that new book and we're like, well, we're not using phoenix card We're going to retire them to the old world or whatever, right? and But we still have this problem of this entire phoenix city Which is like the most beautiful founding of a city I really love the story of the founding of the phoenixium Like the phoenix the the frost and the fire phoenix like circling around and performing this ritual and everything It was a beautiful story Consumed by the black sun. So clearly they're just gonna they're just gonna literally wipe that city off the map and be like Oh, all the phoenix card were there. They're all dead. Oops All of the phoenix card were there Yeah Like that that is what that sounds like to me And then green fire is just scaven coming got it. Yeah, we know Okay, it's warfire. Cool. Yeah, it's just warfire. Okay So there let's that that's her vision's broken down. That was the actual interesting part of that scene We're gonna have a couple of these sort of Visiony scenes. Okay, because people who see the future in fantasy stories. Don't just show up and be like, yo, man Look, here's the deal Right. No, everybody who sees the future has to talk in cryptic riddles like a moron All right Okay Yeah Like just tell people just tell people Just warn them.  Okay So callus and toll are actually in this story Um The phoenix and the black sun could be tirion and malaria and alternatively. Sure. Absolutely could be Yeah, the phoenix king and the black sun.   I am the air with that kind of thing. Okay so, uh Callus and toll they're onto the wine. They're onto the wine. Remember Uh usher on is poisoning the city of hammer hall with his wine. It was originally nepharata plop But he's taken over now Right. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm. So that his madness is slowly turning people into into ghouls and stuff like that Right, but they're onto this And It's so funny. They they like talk about how they capture someone and he starts ranting and he's saying like Oh, we'll we'll poison the roots of your well and all will suffer And callus is like he means the water supply into the city and i'm like, yeah, you think Real good detective work there. Sherlock Holmes Really, somebody knows how to write a detective story. Let me tell you what boy. Oh boy Really had to crack the code on that one. It was like the most obvious callus cleverly intuited They literally say that in this story like he cleverly intuited the real beating.  Because as near as I can tell there's not a human in the city that has a wit of intelligence about them Okay So Basically, they need to get down into the like down in hammer all oxy. There's there's like the underwater Sluiceworks and pipes and things all in dwarven design, right? They got to get down there, but it's huge. It's like this giant You know labyrinthine thing so they need help so who are they gonna call they get they get the undercrofters The undercrofters are like these will to corp hunters. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm They're uh, hold on Here we go. Sorry everybody They're these undercroft. They're the wilderness. They're these will to corp hunters who are too cool for your rules, man They're too cool for you. They're in prison right now You gotta we gotta get them out because they've got a job to do Okay Look, that is an old trope and it can be done. Well, for example Tom here we go. I'm going to quote somebody. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you out of quote here tom. You ready? Okay, okay I want everybody to their raptors right now and somebody gets starbucks out of the brig Right That's how you do that trope. Well, you start out by having the hot shot pilot punch their commanding officer in the face over a poker game Right, right At any rate Okay, so They get the undercrofters these like these dudes who are just too ba to be regular will to corp hunters They're the the rootinist tootinist foul mouth sons of guns around right and they head down into the the The they they let some of the dogs sniff the wine To get the scent and then some of the dogs just turn into ghouls and they have to put them down I'm like, why did that have to be in the story? Why did killing dogs have to be in the story? That's just unnecessary Like they just smelled it. Okay, great. So anyways, they're on the trail all right now But we we're gonna go back and forth here tom this whole thing in hammer hall We go back and forth the whole time. Okay. Yeah, exactly steward angleton says still wanted by the government They survive as soldiers of fortune. Yes, if you could find them if you exactly you just might hire the undercrofters YouTube demonetization. Okay, so here we go. Um the the hammer hall crusade Remember tom last time they beat up all the ghosts all the night haunt Yep on curse mountain Right where the vampires show up every 107 years Like intentionally the vampires show up every 107 years their giant castle shifts into existence Right.  Alrighty those games. Okay. Yeah, you know where you find sit. You know, you have to you found cities in that game, right? Sure, and where you found cities is like where there are resources Right, like there's a river. There's resources. There's fish There's you're starting near a coast when you start your game of sieve too and there's a whale Right off the edge of the coast. Oh, you are in the money, baby. Okay, right? Yeah, not randomly on curse mountain Okay Now as it turns out there does happen to be a high value resource here But they didn't know that at the time they decided to found this city They just were just like well, we're starting here and they start building stuff. Okay No, w husk. They are that dumb. I don't I wish I was lying, but I'm not So as they're exploring curse mountain They find that in the deep recesses of curse mountain There's pure veins of oxite the oxyite or whatever the the realm stone of oxy. Yeah, right that's sort of white metal Okay And they're like yay, there is a reason for us to be here. I guess We'll start mining this okay all right So they dig into the catacombs. It is of course cursed because it's cursed mountain And because of course Right the tricks and when they get to the center of the catacombs All right, what do they find tom? Oh, by the way, all of the catacombs have the iconography of the wheel That that's an extra follows. They're clearly holy. Okay And they get to the center the big giant Like room Okay, the giant cavern And the wheel is on the floor this huge wheel the same things an extra carries around as her holy symbol, right? And smack dab in this in the center. I see nothing He's turning about that at all. Absolutely nothing. It's turning about this so far in the center of the wheel Is a giant portal to shahish Okay Yep Uh And so they're like, huh? Well, that's not good Okay and then the temperature drops like 40 degrees And knight haunt comes spilling out of it Yep, and uh As they want to do as they're want to do And Leading them is right nor the grim hauler grim hailer. However. He says name that guy my boy right nor right more Yeah, right nor comes out. He kills all the dwarves all the dwarven miners. He just lops off their heads He kills the king Like they're nothing They're like sir not appearing in this story because because like old school dwarves don't actually matter They're not near heroic enough to stand against even like an average hero like right nor, right? And He has a bunch of pyre geists this book more than anything tom Is like saturday morning cartoon shows trying to sell you merchandising every new unit gets mentioned in here In detail so he summons all of the pyre geists the the new guys from that that Pyre and flood or whatever that box that was yeah, you know i'm talking about Yeah And he's going to have them as near as I can tell Use evil magic and their flames to turn the ox shite Into a necrotic bomb to sort of like poison all of the realm metal and turn it and make the mountain explode Yeah, that's right. That's his plan as near as I can understand it. It's not super clear He's a ghost. I don't know At any rate The ghosts flood out of the of the of the thing they're like they're they're flooding out But then we leave that story back to callous and toll. Okay, but this is jumpy Okay, callous and toll they're deep deep down tom they're deep down In the undercroft or in this in this place they've got the undercrofters leading. I'm sorry So they're in this labyrinthine maze of pipes and sewers and like the architecture that goes back to even before the founding of hammer halt Like way back into the depth of when this was like a dwarven Foundation in the age of myth. That's how old these tunnels are and they're backtracking and you know They layer on top of each other and there's dead ends and everything, right? So that's the point they're making Is that like even their little dungeon explorer who's with them? You know because they have the little rogue dungeon explorer girl with them She's like there's no way I could find my way through here if it wasn't for the for the undercrofters and and and even then It's only their dogs that keep them on the on the on the trail. Sure, right? Sure Because they have the goodest of boys. They have the goodest of boys. Yes Okay, so they go deeper until eventually they find like pump station 37 Which should tell you how big this place is if there's 37 pump stations, right? Because assuming that's not the last one there's more And they see skin hanging everywhere and all the water just has bodies floating in it And there's like macabre piles of bones and gristle and everything like that all in the shape of like the yellow king right Yeah, okay, and guess what tom It's full of fec. Hey, they all spill out all the dwarfs who work down here are dead Everybody's dead. It's all just it's all just ghouls. It's all just ghouls.  They do their work They're all putting bolts into into ghouls the dogs are tearing people apart and immediately callous Wait, no toll tolls the the witch on it, right? Yeah callous. This is buddy. Yeah, I get them confused Anyways, immediately toll turns around to the rogue and is like we're out of here Okay, and she like whips her grappling hook up into the into the station above Okay into the actual pumping station and And he's like callous.  So sad. We got to stop this. This is what we're here about And you know, I mean like he is making the right call. He's like if all of them die, but we save the city That's the right call Right. Yeah So I do like that's a reasonable call. I actually support this. It's like a smart decision made.  There's a big group of them, but it's there's a lot of ghouls Sure, okay Back to Zanestra Tom night haunt, they're just spilling out everywhere. There's ghosts coming out You know They're killing through steel helms. This whole story is worshiping the wheel. It's called. Yes, continue correct This whole story is called steel helms and cannons are useless flagellants rule, okay because That's like every every bead in this story Because what happens is obviously the steel helms swing at them, but they're all afraid and as you know The ability of your weapons to damage night haunt Is based on your belief your conviction that you can Right. Yeah. Well, the good news is is that uh fanatics are fanatical Correct So when the flagellants get into them, they just rip them apart Like these guys do not have a save again. Like the way it sounds like the way they write it It's like they're they're they're ethereal save shuts off to flagellants. They are just crushing these guys like here's the good news Go ahead Here's the good news that everyone knows that you deal with night haunt by weight of dice Sure like weight of the axe and so guess what flagellants win Yeah, it it does like this ludo narrative dissonance not found. This is correct So at any rate But the flagellants alone aren't going to hold back that this tidal wave of night haunt, right?     I know what he's doing He's snuffing his candle out to kill her right because that it does mortal wounds the game And that's how he he draws people's souls when he snuffs out the candles, right? He just insecure as one does Yep, but he snuffs out the candle and she just stares at him Okay And he's like, what are you?  We're out. Let's go That's it. He runs away like He floats down snuffs a candle. She's fine Seemingly like she looks a little worse for wear, but she's like and And then he's like, well that didn't work and it specifically says he feels afraid He's like drop time to go and he rounds up all his troops and they retreat immediately Immediately they run Okay Meanwhile, she's just like calling down lightning on him The whole time he's like fleeing.  He just flees Okay, he's like, it doesn't matter. I'll just blow up the mountain with my weird plan about turning metal into a bomb or something Because of my fire ghosts that I'm doing somehow magic He has like a very underpants and ohms plan, right? Sure. Of course. Okay Back to callous and toll. This this is how this story goes just very back and forth So callous and toll getting a big fight because they're up in the slew station and the door rips off to the station And it's a gulking Like it's not anybody special. It's just like a gulking right like one of the dudes And callous immediately turns around and goes nope and shoots him in the head twice and blows him off the the thing He's holding on to He falls down in the muck water and they're like, ha got him And then he comes back up out of the water because duh two bullets aren't going to kill him Although technically if callous did hit twice and wound twice he would actually kill a gulking on foot Just because of the way his rules work, but whatever it doesn't matter. It's not gonna get into it Um because he is a wizard and so he would do double damage, but at any rate um So He comes back out of the water with a terror guy with it with a terror guy zombie dragon I don't remember he comes out with a big with a big flappy Okay, and attacks the pumping station. So now the big flappy is like banging on the thing right And yeah, they have there's like they're trying to fight Basically, it's getting it's like picture of like a round metal Station that's like literally propped up by pipes and things. It's floating out in the air, right? And so it's hanging on that and it starts ripping down the the moorings that this thing is moored into the ceiling with right When they're the door is missing from previous being ripped off and toll He's an old man Uh, he goes tumbling callous grabs the the rogue girl, but toll goes bloop and falls out and he's gonna fall to his death Okay Yeah, all right Okay Now Fortunately tom at this time. He is saved by what i'm gonna call from this point forward Cretuza x makina, okay Out of nowhere He's falling through the air and Cretuza x makina comes in and catches him in midair And she's like I have you do not worry and like takes him back up into this loose station, right? And at the same time the doors to this particular area bust open tom and who's here Oh, it's doomfire warlocks, baby.  Okay, because They are just ready. They bust in they start throwing blue fire everywhere ghouls start emulating they turn on the terror geist and just end this thing Which this is the first time in history doomfire warlocks have beaten a ghoul king on terror geist literally ever But they house this thing. Okay Okay, and they're just right. They're riding They're riding their horses around down here And then the cauldrons wheel in What Okay into the crypt into this place yes Because Cretuza likes cauldrons of blood like that's her whole thing Okay, as we'll see in her rules so like Tom we're in the sewers in a location. It took trained dogs To like go find okay Now obviously Cretuza like can see the future So I guess she can just see her way through all the tunnels and know which is the right way to go And that's not how the future works, but go ahead sure And she just like she sneaks her whole army of doomfire warlocks into the sewers the tight sewers The people are like squeezing through with all the pipes and then the cauldrons of blood are here right behind it Okay So what they didn't say is they said cauldrons of blood, but it was actually just which elves carrying buckets of blood No, I think Cretuza like carries around a like a like some kind of mega portable hole She like flies in sneakily and then just unfolds this thing and then like out of it come all her Just like pop pop pop like pokeballs. She's got all her troops in pokeballs. That's just niggers. I configure it. Okay So at any rate the fec Get get dead. That's that's what happens. Okay Um And basically she turns to toll and she's like be ready cryptic scary things are coming I'm not going to tell you what they are, but it's very spooky That's that's her message to him like if I was him I would have been like thanks Super helpful. I know we live in the mortal realms. There's always scripted or spooky things coming around the corner. That's our life You want to get a little more specific lady? Okay So now back to the back to the Let's go back to Zanestra Sure. All right So the in whatever Zanestra is because like clearly she's something else She's something else much like grungy or like whoever the one god was that was hidden amongst the Like yeah, she's she's other. She is other. Yes, that gets that's going to get even more reinforced in a moment so basically The night on ever treated but the arcanists know that like something wrong something wrong is happening, right? And and there ends up being like a discussion of well, do we go after them or do we just flee right and she says Yeah, I and my most loyal faithful will pursue the night haunt and go to the realm gate. I have foreseen the path through my ancient Knowledge, I know the path down to the realm gate and everybody's like yeah, all right. Why not and And so me and these lunatics are going to go chase down the ghosts and you all stay out here and Like get ready and and like build up and fight some of the night haunt that are that are Like wave two of night on or whatever that's going to show up, right? Yep. Okay So She pushes in Follows the great wheels all the way down again her same iconography.  Sorry. He flees again flees again. Yeah Okay, so we end with basically our time in hammerhall here with Callison toll having so that the city is going to be founded, right? Like they she she has driven away the night haunt they they continue with their plan to found the city on curse mountain and then Callison toll stopped the shut off the the emergency switch on the pumping station and stopped any of the poison water From going all throughout hammerhall. So not everybody's gonna be crazy. They have rounded up all the wine Unfortunately a big shipment of the wine got on a boat and is now heading for the guy rani and crusade Okay, like it went through the portal That checks out and is now heading for the guy rani and crusade and people are trying to stop it in time okay And so they're trying to get a word they're trying to get a message to that Crusade in time. I don't know just like use magic Do ascending it's not hard. This is very basic magic Okay, but sure why not? Yeah, it's gonna be hard to communicate now cause All right, because it's convenient for the story Yeah, yeah, like yeah, okay like either account for the fact your world has magic in it in your plots or don't Yeah, all right, but don't have everybody's magic cell phones suddenly shut off Because it's tough to figure out how to tell the story at that moment, right? All right. Yep. Okay. So that's that that's where we leave with hammerhole Now let's go over to guy ram where again there is an unknown shipment of this king's blood the crazy wine heading for the crusade All right. Now you remember tom our guy rani and crusade they had left the castle basically, uh The the judge had been like, all right, you're free to go get out of here, right? Yeah, but the fec still kind of dog them and if any of them fall behind Then Then they get eaten Okay, but for the most part, they're just running They're kind of like trying to move up and as soon as they get out of there They meet up with sub-martial vandals. He was the only smart one from all the other People who split up in the in the neck Uh, unexpectedly Okay and so the He has his force still largely intact. So he reunites with with uh, what's your name thorian the one who's turning into a tree Yeah, and by the way As we as this is going she is becoming more and more infused with guy ranian magic because she's getting closer to the sort of realm I'll add to the wild realm. She's becoming more and more thorian. She's the grand marshal of this of this particular She's she's the like she has jade mage In her bloodline and she's slowly turning into a tree like her hands She doesn't every hands have become like bark and stuff, right? But if she's going she's getting more hail and more healthy As she's getting closer to the wild magics of guy ran, right? So if she gets closer to raw jade magic, she's getting more and more stronger and powerful and healthy.  Yep And so on but they're heading for this as this want to happen. Sure They're heading for this small town called nath weights crossing Okay, nath weights crossing is this small outpost town. It's founded on like a bay on the other side of the neck Within the realm of the this giant ghoul king that they just met named usher on right Right on the other side of a bone an impenetrable bone wall. They had to blow apart On the other side of a giant army and an auger army and an auric army and this small tiny outpost is there Okay, nath weights crossing and they show up tom What do you think they find? What do you think they find here, tom? Doomfire warlocks. No No, they find the city and perfectly fine repair. Everything is working Everything is happy nath weight meets them and he's like hail and well met. It's so good to see you Come find sucker and rest within our walls. You seem tired and he like welcomes men He's super cool. They're all it's a delusion and all of the Everybody like city's fine. Everything's running along. They just got a resupply They just got a resupply tom just came in from from guy ran came in by boat And uh, there's all sorts of great stuff in there including some hot new wine And uh, nate, you know nath weights like yeah, he's he's fine. Everything's totally good here We're definitely all not ghouls. That's it's all fine. Don't worry about it And so the delusion is so strong that it's fooling them who have arrived uh, well No, no, he is in fact as he seems he is he is a human As are the people in the buildings and stuff But they specifically are like well the people of nath weight were strange and reclusive They rarely left their house except at night and i'm like And everybody's like no, this is all fine.   It's like the people rarely left their house. They were reclusive quiet Didn't speak much, but when you saw them their skin seemed Pale sunken their eyes were recessed and they always smelled a bit of like raw meat and i'm like This Boy you guys Maybe maybe toll is the greatest investigator in the in the realm Okay, which doesn't say a lot for the rest And so at any rate All right, remember usher on got shot Remember that that he's like, oh, I've been wounded. I have been wounded. Yes So he keeps that up. He's like, oh my noble servants. I have been wounded I am on the edge of death. You must take me to the healing waters Now the important thing to understand here, tom is that out of the neck. There are two rivers that flow Okay, one that goes south toward nathway. It's crossing and one that goes north or west or east or whatever They split in two different directions. It doesn't freaking matter and there's an old dam on one of the rivers that's been since broken Okay All right Yep So usher on it's like you must take me to the sacred waterfall where I may heal And so his people all get together a big procession and carry him out there on a thing and and he like now, of course He's not actually injured. I mean, uh, of course, but he Of course, uh, he bathes in the water Of this waterfall that feeds these two rivers Yeah, it's sorry. It specifically feeds the river that's running One direction. Okay like south toward nathway. It's crossing or whatever and He contaminates the entire river By bathing in it once it is now if you drink that water you go mad So are you saying that he's the definition of swamp? I am saying that's insane tom, do you know how many Millions of gallons of water flow through rivers It's a lot. Yeah, okay He bleeds like a couple drops of blood into it That vence it just tells you how powerful his his delusion presence If he's really that powerful Here's an answer walk to the ocean Step in And then cut your wrist He can heal it or something don't by the way, this is not like don't this is not a thing about self-harm Obviously, please do not ever do anything like that. You're not an immortal ghoul king who self heals But like injure yourself in some way if you're if you're if you're Usher on this immortal regenerating ghoul king And just step into the ocean and bleed like a gallon of blood if three drops can literally contaminate a like 300 mile long river tom Yeah, okay Then that should easily handle the whole plane of oxy Like that is just the most dumb thing I have heard in this story yet He takes a bath in a river and poisons an entire river How you like rivers keep what new water is gonna keep Coming did you have to drink that little bit of water? Even like this you understand. I'm saying tom like a river flows. It's not a static pool Yep Oh, I I get am I crazy here. Am I alone? No, I think that this is not how rivers work and I really hate it I think that narrative liberty take it I mean I like I have no other way to describe what exactly is happening So basically Usher on takes a five minute bath in a river Poisons millions of gallons of water Even the millions of gallons that he did not touch that falls after he leaves the water Such is the power of his incredible blood Yeah, but yes, if that's the case walk into the ocean everything in the ocean will go insane with your curse And then come on to land and start killing everything. You'll just win Okay All right, so Dumb So meanwhile the crusade itself comes to this plateau They want to found their city on because they've come to the place. They want to found their city, which is like this plateau Like with three three very protected sides It's like some kind of jade mountain and basically there's only one open side to it So they highly defensible and there's a giant portal in the middle like a realm gate in the middle Okay, and this is kind of cool.  I was like, uh, that's kind of a that's a neat realm gate I thought that was actually a really cool piece of writing. I like that Yeah, um, I'm done. So they show up there and there's on that plateau There's some slanesh people who've decided to have like a bacchanal It seems perfectly reasonable They're here in this place because glutos has sent them out looking for some of this wine He heard about this wine and he's like, I got to get me some of that. He's fully aware of what it is Okay, I 100% believe that glutos is like to excess. Yes glutos knows what this wine is knows who made it Knows its effects very much wants to drink it, which yeah, good. I'm like that makes sense.   Yes, correct He steals all their wine and then leaves. So now that wine is off somewhere else in the world Apparently going to to glutos this thing. Okay, cool Okay, and then they leave and they're like, all right. Well, that was weird But since there was like a slanesh bock and all here we've got to sanctify the lands before we can start building our city So they're going through like the rituals and stuff to to get rid of the chaos taint, right? Yeah, okay So while this is happening The river is now poisoned and people are going mad drinking from the river. Yeah Like it's starting to spread and so nathwaite is like Uh, because basically they've split their forces like nathwaite's back with uh sub commander sub marshal vandals He like they're they're doing a rearguard while thorian is up on the city founding the city, right? And he's like and nathwaite's like the river is poisoned Clearly it must be it must have madness in it We will rebuild the dam and and and uh Sub marshal vandals is like, all right. You know seems cool to me And he's like my people and I will do this. We don't need your help. Don't worry about it. We'll handle it It's all good. Do you just stay over here? Don't ask questions. We're going to do it And vandals is like, okay, sure sounds good to me, buddy. I have no questions Why would I ever ask questions? and so nathwaite goes off and with his people and they rebuild the dam, okay All right, and they rebuild it surprisingly quickly the people of the city work tirelessly day and night needing little food Uh pausing only ever so often to consume raw meat Nothing weird here And All of this is like in the story tom. I'm not like I'm actually not exaggerating This is the level of like obtuseness that these people have I want to root for them, but they're too dumb to to live okay so Vandals is like chilling out in his tent and suddenly he's awoken because there's an elf in his tent All right, and he's like, who are you and the elf is like, I'm the other half of that new box set that's releasing Okay And it's a river. It's a river luminev All right, like the elementary river like that, you know, there's those river luminev that are that are in the other Half of the pyre and and flood or whatever Um Yeah, he's like, I'm the other new product coming out You have to go Hey Exposition dump here is what's actually happening. Your boy nathwaite is evil. You should go check on him and also The river is in fact poisoned, but they are bad. They're ghouls. He works for the summer king Okay All right And and basically the elf is like, all right. Well, cool.  We care about rivers and this is a poison river. So hence We're here Like their reason for being tom is river cleanup not ponds not lakes not small pools Rivers they have a very specific mandate You thought That the mailman Elves were a trivial sub faction. Just wait for river cleanup. Yeah. Well, they're here Uh, get used to it. So, um at any rate He should he River elf new product exposition man shows up explains it Vandus immediately rides off. He's like he gathers up some men and rides off and the whole time he's writing his men are like Mumbling to themselves and like going more crazy and like gnawing at their own fingers and he's like Hmm something wrong. It's probably just my imagination. I feel like I'm too paranoid like this is the conversation he has with himself Okay So he confronts so nath waits up on the on the dam And he's like and the dam is rebuilt miraculously very fast, right? This whole dam is rebuilt And he's like He confronts nath waited up on this like bridge this rickety bridge All right, and he's like nath wait.  And then like the lightning strikes or some light happens and he looks down in the dam And it's been rebuilt with corpses Okay, like all the dead dawnbringers their bodies have been used to To build the wall. It's like, uh, it's not completely like there's stone and mortar in there as well It's like a 300 situation. Yeah, yep Okay, and immediately ghouls just jump out of everywhere and kill all of vandus's people and nath wait like grabs Vandus by the neck because he's pretty naturally strong because he's in the middle of undergoing his transformations like assumingly, uh, I don't know some kind of something And he throws him off the bridge Like this is there up on a high bridge. He throws him off the bridge into the spiky corpse field below to his death But suddenly tom Crathus a la ex machina is here again and for the second time in this story She sweeps in from off camera to save a falling person from their doom Yes. Yes, tom that happens again Cue the doomfire war logs Not yet. Not yet. Just wait. Oh so Crathus la uh Shows up saves him. Okay And then flies him all the way to Uh, all the way to to the new city they're founding okay and She's like alone. She's flying him alone. I want to be clear about this She is so she's leaving everybody else.  So it's just him. He's the only survivor of this whole thing, right? She flies him several hours to this place. She is flying in the air alone because she is a flying bird lady Right if she lands and she's like, hey, yo It's cool. I'm an elf. I don't worship marathi I'm here with an order from or I'm here with an order from the council I've got this cool writ from the order of azir. Everybody says we're cool right and she's like Rally up your troops We got to go bust that dam because what they're doing with the dam is redirecting the The poison river from the river that goes to an eighth weight that's already poisoned over here to the settlement And so like your river will be I don't know. I guess forever poisoned because that's how rivers work It's not like rivers aren't constantly refreshed with new water that rains from the sky and comes down from ice melt from higher mountains Whatever checks out, okay I mean a river can get polluted when something is regularly upstream of it dumping toxic waste into the river or something regularly, but usher on doesn't live in the river now It doesn't like I said you got to watch out for that swamp ass at any rate So she flies all the troops mount up everybody mounts up And they all ride out from their new founding city They leave a small force behind to let guard the city And they ride out Okay To go confront him at the dam and then you have they have the battle of the dam, okay So carthus is alone there with them And they go to fight with the ghouls, but there's too many ghouls. They're going to get overwhelmed But then tom guess what out of nowhere Doomfire warlocks. They're here, baby. That's right I want to point out that where this is currently happening Okay, where this where this battle happens Is on the other side is months of travel by foot From hammerhole Okay It is on the other side of multiple enemy forces It is on the other side of a bone an obr You know hadrian's wall that has been rebuilt It is on the other side of a winding Interminable unknowable maze that at the center of which lies the summer king usher on's castle And is riven through with his ghouls Okay, yep I also there's a whole cruel boy swamp too. They also fought some cruel boys off that happened It didn't matter. It's just so it's so completely irrelevant Also, there's an entire cruel boy army here too. Just like sir basically appearing in the story in name only, okay But somehow her entire force Rolls in witch elves doomfire warlocks ride in the cauldrons rolling up again.  It burns out the madness And it checks out told us like by his math is like you got about a seven and ten chance to survive Getting it the the curse burned out of you depending on how advanced it is You'll probably be scarred for life, but you'll be alive and not a cannibal. So I don't know. I guess it works out so anyways stunning stunning her whole force shows up and then Kruthusla herself gets in like an aerial battle with the gore warden who's in charge of this particular force There's like a gore warden who's here.  Okay And he's watching this battle unfold as these heretics fight his noble forces, right And he sees his lord who is this gore warden? Right, but to him is like a shining knight on a pegasus. Yeah, he sees him get dismounted And thrown to the earth by this horrible witch elf crone, right? Yeah, and he sees the thing fall to the ground and crack and its body break its beautiful armor get tarnished And he weeps for the death of his lord But as his lord and the immediate nexus of the delusion dies He gains clarity Right Because now he no longer has the thing that's keeping his delusion intact alive nearby And so he suddenly had because he's not fully transformed yet. He's still basically like he's still halfway human, right? Mm-hmm, and he suddenly like Oh, I've been exposed to truths and he like he sees what all he's done And he looks down and he sees the bodies that he's built his dam in and he sees what his own forces are Right, and he's like, oh my god. I I am a monster I have to I he's like and he takes his moment of clarity And he looks down and he sees the like explosive charges they used on a cart um to help like clear earth to build the dam And he takes his pistol out and walks over to the cart and blows it with himself near there and blows the dam So he pulls the right grind. Yeah Yes, only he actually dies spoilers for a however old show Um And he blows himself up in a moment of clarity That was actually but it was just a really neat scene because the way they described like the delusion and then it like Failing as the gore warden died. That was actually pretty cool. I liked that. That was fun um Anyways, that's it the city is alive Um, the city makes it but tom Darkness is coming So let's deal with some some fallout here. Okay Yes, that is exactly what another city's character did in a previous book ghost mutton. That is correct The end of city's characters is to basically do that to blow themselves up with an explosive cart. You are exactly correct Okay, I want to try to find this I should have marked it Hold on I'm gonna I'm gonna look here while I'm looking I'll explain basically what sort of the the output of this is So a couple of things that are going on First off, there's a huge roiling fire in the distance Okay, okay In the on the other side of this crossing like Let me show you the map. Okay, so here's here's vert. I know you're not really able to see this But here's vert agree. Here's nath way crossing.  Here we go I would like to read to you this section because this is this needs to be read out loud Because they're not going to deliver on this but this sounds amazing. Are you ready? Here we go. Okay It is clear that some dreadful powers on the march overwhelming all in its path and drawing ever closer to the verdean coast, which is where they are Rumors spread of a demon-blooded empress from the depths of the infernal realm Intent upon slaughtering every living being in the swath Some tales insist she is as tall as a mega gargant Others that she commands an army of flying ruin knights who will descend from the skies to raise and pillage at will Okay So either demon-blooded empress lady mega gargant sized Uh, all of these things have it being a a a female up there, right? It's volkia. Like the answer. This is volkia. I hope so man I hope so. I hope we're getting like new fully demonified volkia.  Uh, the the primark the third primark who became half snake person Again, it is full of him maker like fulgrim size Right. Yeah Or marathi size. I guess we want to do it that way. Yeah, man. That'd be awesome Like big giant demon empress volkia Uh with ruin knights flying ruin knights Now you got my now now you have my attention if that's what's coming in book six if that's what I get a preview of next week Whoo, I'm excited. Okay, this whole pointless book just got interesting All right, so yeah the demon-blooded empress there you go pretty awesome, right? Oh, it's pretty cool. That'd be sick Um other things that are going on you get an aside where dry like king broad is losing all his mega gargants Because draka hama dryath is there and she's like just killing mega gargants She's luring them alone into the woods and then killing them and broad is pissed about it So he's trying to he's trying to rustle up a big fight a showdown with her Um, you get a cool aside at the council of 13 Where the scavener executing the grand plan And unlike their previous grand plans like lord screech vermin king is overseeing it And he's not letting them turn on each other or they have to work together Like he's making sure that they all actually work together and don't turn on each other and like the the The arch plague priest fails in what he wants. So he just kills the dude. He's like, we're not putting up with that This is the plan no failures Okay, and so like he just kills a council member of the council of 13, which is like not a it's not a insignificant thing um So like obviously again just setting up the scavener the big bads.  So both cities are basically being founded Scavener on the march. There's thunder and rumble everywhere. Oh toll sends a note that like hey, uh I've noticed some more scaven around in hammer hall somebody should look into that seems like a problem Like he sends a note at the end. That's his that's his thing once again just clueing into it here this guy So there you go, that's the story so clearly what we can take away from that story Is that this is not the final book of the uh, of the dawn breakers crusade.  It's like reading a uh, uh brandon sanderson story, but then suddenly Person appears from nowhere and saves the day Clearly she needs to be modeled carrying people as she's flying like somebody needs to do that conversion um Yeah, uh, I mean she needs to open up her wings and have doomfire warlocks just teleport out because that's the only explanation for where they're How where why and cauldrons? So here's With it for the attack she was fine. She she led the forces that were that were leading the actual battle. She was leading like this Who is uh, who's our wheel lady? Zinestra pontifex zinestra I'm saying. Oh, who is she really? Yeah, I don't know. She's made of some stuff or or has gotten power From the age of myth clearly Um, I think she's a god character An old god character. Um, I'm wondering if she is more I I mean, I don't know the the the wheel it's possible I like I it'd be worth looking at maybe some of the old symbols from from some of the old gods And seeing if any of them have like a wheel symbol, right? So Um, you know, I don't know Um, but like, yeah, it's she's clearly possessed of some, uh Uh stuff like that, right? Yeah So, but yeah, she's somebody like that's going to be something Right because The way they treated her right is very reminiscent of Is ultimately very reminiscent of uh, how they did grungy in the prior narrative Sure. Um, her symbol is strikingly um similar to Uh, to haish, which is interesting Sure, like high issues is like That's kind of circular wheel is a very common symbol in Warhammer. That's funny about it. It's the chaos star and all these stuff, right? So it shows up over and over again Yeah Yeah, it'll be interesting. Um, it'll be interesting to see the trajectory. All right. Well, hey, um, I am Genuinely interested in book six and I am genuinely interested if we're going to get a little peek next week of whatever this this Like if we get new valkia and flying ruin nights and valkia has become like a demonic form that is You know huge and like six seven inches tall Man. Yep. I am in like fling for that Yeah, I know. Yeah, uh, that's that is your jam. Sure Sure Like yeah, marco says it's the lady of ruin the varen guard leader. Sure like that'd be fine. Like I had something cool Like let's go something cool Okay, so yeah Uh, there's a theory that zanestra has order aligned undead. Yeah, I mean they talk about how she's like Well, she's right now. She's like on the edge at the end of the story. She's basically at the edge of death She's like sort of comatose Because of all the magic she used so but she's alive still Yeah, it's interesting. Um, just playing on that. Uh, so Shelly uh Was one of the gods of the old world And she was known as the white dove of mercy or the lady in white She was a goddess of mercy compassion and healing in the old world pantheon. Uh, she was the daughter of more Yeah, I don't know man. I think like a reveal that she's some old world god is really uninteresting I just really do well They what i'm saying is is they've done it before particularly with um with Grungy and it wouldn't surprise me if they are what they're doing Is they're basically seeding this like it all happened before it all happened again cycle like they had that cycle happening very clearly in um in the end times in the end times right and it would not surprise me if they Continue to like hit those narrative beat. There we go. She's setra. Let's go Let's go Uh, no, uh because hey, she likes chariot But she's learned that wheels aren't hey, she never she never deals She gets lived.  We'll see. All right Let's get into some actual rules tom because I want to cover that here. We go. Yeah All right. Yep rule time Uh, boy, did we bury this deep in the show if you're still with us. Hey, thanks very much everybody. I know it's late Thanks for sticking out through story time. I hope everybody enjoyed if you didn't hit like yet hit like for story time Okay new rules Kruthu's a leather crone seer So this is her she got a 14 inch move six wounds five up save she can fly She has attacks that are like whatever. That's fine Uh, her real thing is burnt offerings. Here we go once per turn in the hero phase If this unit is wholly within six, you know what I wish they changed this to tom Once per turn in each hero phase Yeah, just so it's clear to everybody Yeah, yeah, it's the simplest wording change. They phrase things like that in the old world, by the by They'll say in each strategy phase or something like that versus yours at any rate If this unit is wholly within six inches of a friendly cauldron of blood You can say that it will commune with more more eye-hag If you do so pick one friendly daughter's a cane unit wholly within nine inches of this unit Uh, that does not have the scathborn medusai malusai the shadow queen or morathi cane keyword and roll a die So basically no snake people no scathborn, right? That's okay. Cool. Yep So it's got to be like witch elves or sisters or um, you know That kind of stuff Doomfire warlocks Uh and roll a die on a two up You could pick one of the following prophecies to apply to that unit a unit cannot be affected by the same prophecy more than once per turn now Boy, do you have to be tight for this, right? She herself is on like a decent ish sized base Right like she's on a roundish base She's got to be wholly within six of a cauldron and then she's got to pick a unit wholly within nine of her That is not a lot of space. I mean docks have always been the army of like humping cauldrons and circles Like historically they were I understand. I'm saying that's like you got to keep three units in pretty tight order To use this buff. Yeah, right Okay, so prophecy of silence until the end of the turn enemies within three inches of this unit cannot receive commands Okay, pretty powerful. It's solid. Yep Prophecy of dark wings this unit can immediately make a normal move if it is not already made a normal move Retreated or been set up on the battlefield in this phase Okay, cool. So that you could double move basically right because your hero phase move Now that is very powerful because remember this is once return in the hero phase. So it's it's enemy turn So it could be the enemy. Yep, very potent And then prophecy of reclamation until the end of the turn while this unit is contesting an objective Enemy units can only contest that objective if they have the hero or monster keyword again very powerful to use in the enemy's phase, right? Again, you have to have a unit that's not going to just evaporate and which elves and sisters do just evaporate when they get attacked So, you know, yeah, choose wisely. I guess But but powerful things to be doing if you have this little three unit combo Right set up in this tight little these tight little bubbles She herself has a ward of four up. So okay, cool. So, you know six wounds five up four up That's fine And she has a prayer that has an answer value of four in a range of 18 You pick an enemy unit within range invisible to chanter that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds Then roll a die if the roll is equal to or higher than the wound's characteristic of that enemy unit Subtract one from hit rolls for attacks made by that unit for the rest of the battle Okay Pretty pretty decent prayer. This score score will be gone in a couple of months. Sure. I have pretty decent prayer though So she's cool Oh, I didn't yeah As a priest it's also relevant that she'll um, like she'll pick up a prayer as well, right? Yeah, they get their name characters pick up the first Um, she's 170 points So, what do you think? Um, I mean that's pretty steep for a six wound hero but Because of all the synergies. I think that it fits. She's going to be in visit Because of lookouts her because of her wounds. So that's nice.  Um, I mean, I think that she's powerful for what she does Especially if she's buried in in the in the pocket, right? Sure Sure Yeah, I think she's interesting. I think I think we'll see some people experiment with her I don't know if she's got the full juice or not, but 170 seems pretty reasonable for what she can do So there's three pretty potent abilities. She's doing burnt offerings Uh-huh In each of the hero phases and every year right like 10 times per game assuming all the units per game so once for yours once for theirs Um, and it says a unit cannot be affected more than the same prophecy more than once per turn Isn't that funny because she can't do the prophecy more than once per turn Well, you'll you'll get in a second Okay But like yeah, I mean she's good.  She does have a four up there, but which is which is good But like she will get wiped out by that kind of stuff. But otherwise, I think she's good I think she's good the problem is she's like she's relying on a lot of troops that aren't necessarily very good Yeah, well, so I'm going to jump back to this real quick because like I do think this is curious for wording Um, so she's doing this every hero phase. Yes Once. Yes And this specifically says a unit can't be affected more than the same prophecy for turn correct Well, how is she getting more of those? Is it just the later ability? Okay, so let's talk about the crone seers pariahs All right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So this is their her actual army of renown and I will say I think this is an interesting army of renown Okay Yeah, um Yeah, hey, he says she's insane at 170 and the yiggs said bargain at 170 for what I can see we'll find out in the coming months Yeah, I agree I just wonder if like the rest of the bones of this are are because like this army has had to rely on things like Marathi to really achieve much and and bow snakes and like you have none of that In this army now you can include her in a normal army and have like, you know, the right Stuff is a little contingent You're just throwing good money. All right. You're throwing good money after bad, right? Because once you have her you're having to now buy a bunch of trash, you know Yeah, sure theoretically Okay, so Here's her rules guided by morai hag If the unmodified hit roll for an attack made by a friendly crone seer pariah unit is six that attack automatically wounds the target uh, do not make a Uh, a wound roll for it and the rend characteristic for that attack is improved by one I really hate that second rule. I mean, it's very powerful. That's like it's so hard to crack Yeah, it's so hard. It just makes it really annoying to track, right because now Like what happens there is I mean, obviously that's super great. It turns your witch elves into blenders for sure, right? um, if you have like the the um gladiatrix and stuff there and they're already rend one Suddenly you've got a bunch of witch elves swinging at rend two for for all of their their hits, right? There's six hits, right? And skipping the wound roll So, yeah, pretty good pretty good ability. I mean, it's certainly strong Keep in mind you're talking here about again, like we've said witches sisters Doomfire warlocks The cauldrons themselves all that kind of stuff, right? Yeah The but those are all pariahs Uh laden with prophecy a friendly the crone seers pariah's cauldron of blood Can be empty or full at the start of the battle It is empty at the end of a phase in which an enemy model within three inches of a friendly empty cauldron of blood is slain By an attack made by that cauldron of blood that cauldron of blood becomes full Okay, fine. Get your cauldrons into battle. Clearly. That's what they're wanting to have happen here, right?  So you got to be pretty close, right? Yes Uh, which is in combat A friendly full cauldron of blood has a ward of four up against wounds caused by shooting attacks Like, okay. Okay. It's fine And subtract one from hit rolls for attacks that target a friendly the crone seer pariah units While it is wholly within range of a friendly full cauldron of blood's blood shield ability So the blood shield not only gives you plus one to save it gives you uh, minus one to hit Minus one to be hit if the if the cauldron is in combat basically Yep, so you definitely want to get these things rolling into battle, right? So, okay, cool Uh, bloody harus At the start of any phase you can pick one friendly full the crone seer pariah's cauldron of blood within six inches Of a friendly crethus, crethusula the crone seer If you do so that cauldron of blood becomes empty and that crethusula the crone seer Can immediately use the burnt offerings ability If it is the hero phase that crethusula the crone seer can use the burnt offerings ability twice in that phase instead of once so There you go tom hence the text in the previous page. Yeah. Yeah Skilled skirmishers once per turn in the charge phase after an enemy unit finishes a charge Move within three inches of a friendly dunefire warlocks unit You can roll a die on a three up They can retreat 2d six inches only one unit of dunefire warlocks gets to do that I do think that's actually a super powerful ability. Okay.  You put it on your warlocks, right?  Yep. So that's actually a pretty potent little combination there And then your dunefire warlocks become battle line your Uh, all your units have a ward of six up like your standard start a dock And then the blood reveals all at the start of the hero phase You can carry out this heroic action with a friendly the crone seer Pariah's hero instead of any other heroic action you can carry out Pick one friendly the crone seer pariah's hero within nine inches of a friendly empty Cauldron of blood then pick one other unit within three inches of that hero That unit suffers d6 mortal wounds that cannot be negated Then roll a die on a four up that cauldron blood becomes full When I first read this I was actually pretty down on this. Okay. Yeah Uh Because I was like, oh well you have to ding your own unit for d6 mortal wounds and then you only get the full Cauldron on a four up But then I realized no if your heroes are close you can just Do it directly like ideally you're taking a slaughter queen or a hag queen Preferably like a slaughter queen since it's actually a pretty, you know reasonable combatant You're just swinging it forward and if it emptied its cauldron already right For Cthulhu's a lot hanging out behind to do her burn offerings Then uh like because the bloody harvest was at the start of any phase Right, so let's imagine the slaughter thing Slaughter the slaughter queen on cauldron fought last round year round, right killed something became full Yeah, start of the phase start of the hero phase i'll Dump at the cauldron to let Cthulhu's a lot hanging out behind the cauldron do her prayer on the cauldron Yeah, okay because she could pick the cauldron itself as the target right sure It's empty then i'll have the cauldron itself use the heroic action D6 mortal wounds the thing that i'm in combat with right if i'm selling combat And then potentially refilling before i ever went to combat right because those are both start of the hero phase action So you can stack them however you want So that's kind of the order of operations, right? Yeah, so you just want them to be stuck into combat essentially Yeah, yeah, exactly you want to get it get in amongst it which i don't hate it's a shame because I really love the cauldrons and i like using cauldrons, you know like that's always been one of my favorite Unis to use i just really don't like witch elves or Sisters of slaughter or do well it's convenient because i have 90 witch elves and Yeah, you're ready to go into and a cauldron and a slaughter queen and a hag queen on so But yes, that's how that'll works I've been like that's a lot of battle traits. That's a lot of army specific rules But they lose all of their there's no dark stuff. It's this this this alone. Yeah, right. So they lose all of their uh Spells And they lose all their items and they lose all their prayers, right? Yeah, correct We're gonna go to the next page and that's gonna be the replacement for all that Yeah Yeah, uh, I mean it depends on how good the other stuff is is the short of that story Okay, let's see doc has really good prayers doc has really good Spells sure. I mean, I will say I think this group of abilities here is pretty strong No, yeah, it's for base abilities. I think it's fun. I I like not having to stack up like the frenzy stuff Like i'm cool with that. Okay. I got my biggest concern is Is just are you building a castle on a foundation of sand? Because right now which elves and sisters your sort of mainline units are so sort of Bad in the current meta of what the game is, right? Yeah, um, I don't know. Well, it's it may it may not matter in four months. Yeah, sure Of course, of course, none of these things are gonna matter in four months. I strongly suspect so who cares, right? Right. Okay. Like these books are all just gonna be dust Yeah, okay Uh, so prayers, uh You got three prayers here. I think they're pretty decent prayers Augury of battle is a four up 14 inch range prayer that gives you a ward of five up Like that's it. It's friendly unit ward of five up. That's what's happening here Okay, uh Auspicious strike is actually really interesting So it's a it's a prayer on a four again range 14 inches You pick one of your units And then whenever Whenever another unit attacks that unit Every roll of a one makes them suffer a number of mortal wounds Equal to the damage characteristic of their weapon Which I actually like because you know the other version of this week's dad was like if they rolled a one They took one mortal wound, right? Yeah But a number of mortal wounds equal to the damage characteristic of their weapon is actually really interesting Right. Hi ogres. Sure ogres are like chaos chosen plowing to you and just explode themselves Right, I mean given they have some water wound protection But like, you know things like that two and three damage troops that people rely on these big breakers Right, yeah, like that's You just they didn't make like tons of attacks They just plow themselves into the dirt right because they don't have the wounds to actually take that back You know you roll four like you have a three damage unit Makes a decent number of attacks as many of them do All right, these elite units make decent number of attacks. You roll four ones completely statistically normative And you take 12 mortal wounds back Jesus Wham Okay, so I that's pretty cool prayer And then wings of the crone goddess Prayer doesn't answer value of three in a range of 14 You pick a friendly crone seers pariah unit fully within range and they get to normal move with fly So you have two hero phase moves in this force. Yeah Yeah, carthuselus prayer and this prayer or carthuselus offering. Sorry and this prayer Yep pretty cool To like sort of off turn Moves are pretty or hero phase moves. It's pretty good And I do think it's one of the things this army needs To actually be competitive because you need to be like really dancing your troops around really quickly I will say it makes your doomfire warlocks. It's sanely mobile to have access to this stuff Yeah, right. Yeah, the fact that they can just cover 28 inches like nothing. It's pretty good Uh, you've got a grand strategy in battle tactics You know, it's it's fine. They're whatever I don't care. Um, I'm just not even gonna bother you have a command trait Um, which does not have the unique only exception yet again. I hate this I hate this If we're gonna make these army of renowns these armies of renown based on unique characters that who are clearly meant to be their leader Stop it stop Get help. Okay Maybe they want maybe when they want the the slaughter the slaughter cauldron Sure, of course, that's what you're gonna do You're just gonna make like the slaughter queen on cauldron the the general and then carthuselus not the general in her own force But she's not a war master. She doesn't like become a bonus genny. I just narratively. It's just bothers the living Crap out of me, right? Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah Okay, fine. I find these to be like the least interesting command abilities. They're so just like Let me give you some random NP. Like spike doesn't like it. Nobody likes this. Stop writing these Who are these four? It's an ability that works very rarely and just randomly screws people The person who's in control of it doesn't like it because they can't bet on it The person who gets affected by it doesn't like it because one in three times. It just like screws them over Yeah, super fun How about like blessings of the crone? Uh, your general gets the advantages of cretuzila the blah blah blah and can like see into the future So like once per turn you can choose a single hit roll Or save roll or cast or prayer roll and reroll it or something like that, right? There you go There I wrote a better command trait. See how much more fun that would be neat Okay Artifactive power ruin of the weave once per battle before carrying out the blood reveals all heroic action The bearer can say that they will consult the ruin of the weave if they do so when they carry out that heroic action I'd want the roll that determines where the cauldron of blood becomes trash Trash Wow, that is trash It should be if it's a once per game It just automatically refills Ray refills. That's exactly it. This is one of the worst magic items. I have ever seen them print Even amongst the world of once per battle magic items. This one is Legendarily terrible Who wrote this? Stop it. Yeah, get him. You need to you need to go take some time and think about what? Yeah, three good prayers Three really solid prayers. I like A command trait and an artifact that are just like Please see the norm Please see the core rules for the command trait and artifacts you will be selecting in this army Yep Okay, so yeah, that's it. There you go. That's the army. So what's your what's your read on this army over now? Fun interesting competitive It's it's not competitive, but it's fun and interesting Like like at the right point values. It could be competitive Like if you could flood the board with enough bodies Yeah, I it might be interesting like Doomfires as battle line. Maybe they're the right choice for a lot of those those things I don't know. They might be Maybe like I'm thinking about just way bodies Right. Um, where even if you kill off a unit of witch elves, right?  I'm thinking about the like rolling one to Uh to hit like a unit of witch elves taking a charge on the chin That's it's already a sacrificial unit at that point But kicking back a lot a bunch of mortals on yeah, sure onto sure, you know, like the old witch elf missile trick. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a thing. Yeah Yeah, I could imagine a number of those Um, like build possibilities. Yep But is it competitive? I don't know maybe like the battle tactics don't seem too terrible and the reality is is Like you have to go to the battle tactic in the grand strat. Um What I'll say is this um The grand strat is not difficult, um Oh, sure. Yeah, like it's like one of the easiest grand strats in the game Sure Have a unit on near there near there and like battle especially if you just mentioned because you have the unit Like you have the ability to just race units like 28 inches around the board and that's without running or anything like that Yeah, right.  Yeah, if you control that Control the objective like and there's no no we got it. That's that's a that's a give me, right? Like they like even look at this they have two like very very like the first two tactics are quite easy to do um, your cauldron of bloods in combat cool Kill that unit destroy that unit by the end of the end of the turn if you do you sure battle Yeah, yeah, they're all they're they're continuing the classic doc tradition of easy battle tactics. Yes, I agree Okay, so maybe is the answer because that's ultimately what like that is what? Dictates whether something's competitive now is can can you get five battle tactics? Yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong All right, let's talk about our last things here, and then we'll close this up the regiment of renown The saviors of cinderfall, um following war scrolls are part of the cities of sigmar faction But if your army army has an order general and is not cities of sigmar, you can put this in your army as well It counts as an ally. It's a regiment or now and blah blah blah There are the unified battalion core rules 26 dot 2 dot 1 so on and so forth Okay, so this little packet dudes we're going to talk about here in a minute is 350 points. So keep that in mind. Okay All right So you have duty bound, uh duty Well friendly savers of cinderfall unit is wholly within six inches of an objective They get plus one to save and plus one to ward rolls Yeah So pretty good And sentenced to death at the start of the battle pick one enemy unit on the battlefield to be sentenced to death Attacks made with melee weapons by a friendly savers of cinderfall unit The target that enemy units score a hit on a two plus regardless of any modifiers positive or negative Click click boom Okay So let's look at our dnd party. Yes, because that That decking rope and grapple. Yeah. Yeah got a lot better. All right. So let's take a look at our folks here So callus and toll four up save base five wounds five inch move a bravery, right? Yeah So, uh Yep, so that's fine They have a ward of five up um They after they fought for the first time you can say that hannover toll will attempt to plunge a Firewood stake into the heart of a foe if you do so pick one enemy model within one inch of hannover and roll 2d6 If the roll is greater than the wound's characteristic of that enemy model's unit that model is slain So I actually don't hate that. It's pretty cool. Like that's a really good Like whoa v2u foot here. Yeah. Yeah, exactly as long as you're not up in the monstrous hero level Like that's actually pretty dease. It does mean that like in general they're gonna ice Like sort of five six seven wound heroes pretty pretty likely Yeah, yeah um They and then uh right tool for the job double the damage characteristic of an attack Uh, uh, if it's against a wizard or a demon. So um They are uh, how do the companions interact with orders given the hero keyword? Uh, I would assume that both callus and toll and tolls companions can both issue orders Because they both have the hero keyword and they are separate units But so they should both be able to issue orders Not callus and toll and companions. It's callus and toll or one unit tolls companions are one unit Okay, and both of both units are heroes. Yeah That's my understanding of it. I could be wrong. I don't know these units are weird But that was my read on it, but they certainly at least get two orders one for each group because they both have the I'm reading this correctly The unit doesn't have four attacks Of your as azeri blades Each model has four attack. Yeah. Yeah, that's how I read Callus and toll are running eight attacks. Yep Do on threes and threes make one. Yeah, they make six pistol shots. They make eight Melee attacks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're both armed in the same way Yeah, and then you got tolls companions who are what's consists of valus, uh, the keeper oxhian, mistress, verinitia, and lisa Revinia As well, they have a dog. They got a dog Yeah So they have a cat, right? No, she has a cat. They have a dog. It's a pet party It's it's your standard dnd party multiple people have pets Okay So there's like four models in this unit or whatever, right? Yeah, okay with the with the dog Their elite they can issue orders to themselves.   Okay So, okay, what is the wounds characteristic of the griff hound or it is it's a companion But no It has the same wounds characteristic or anything else because it's not exempted But it is not listed in the models for this unit I Yeah, but it's like it's a model in the unit. So I would assume that it still has that I think it just got cut out Like so companions. Hold on companions are do not have like they are they're like mounts, right? They like like they're they're they're but they don't have their own wounds value Oh, maybe I don't know. Maybe he doesn't have his own wounds. Maybe he's just a placeholder for a set of attacks Yeah, that could be you're probably I'm guessing he's a placeholder like Yeah, you're right. You're right because he is because he's under companion. Yeah, you're right. Yeah Um, so I so this companions unit Has a wounds characteristic of 11 two models with a three and a model with a five. Correct. There you go. Yes, that's right Um, but it has Basically four weapon profiles because one of those weapon profiles is the companion. Yeah, there we go. That's right. You got it Uh, they will break upon my shield if they include valus the the storm cast guy Yeah, um, they ignore negative modifiers to save rolls for attack to target this unit Nice very strong Very strong because especially if in that battalion they are going to be on a three up in your objectives. Yep. Absolutely Uh, unruly will three up still good. Yep 100 Uh, when they when it includes mr.  You receive one command point. See that is a version of that rule I like better because then it's just like one and three times. You did something. I get to do something right Uh, I get a bonus point. Cool Uh, and then silent is death you can put them in reserve along with callus and toll and they can pop out of Uh, terrain features. Yeah Including faction terrain including faction terrain. Yeah. Yeah.  I was in the corner all over the whole time. We were in your ogre pot the whole time.  I mean, obviously the the rogue is your main Uh, oh, yeah 350 for for the whole thing so for 21 wounds Your 350 points Two orders Uh, good number of attacks Not a huge amount of rend. Obviously the decking rope and grapple is really powerful It only has one attack It has to be on a two up to be of any value like it has to be going against your your sentence to death unit Basically, but you know, it'