Alright, good. So anyone, first of all, welcome everybody. My name is Valstow from Cyber Trading. I hope you enjoyed that video we just showed you. Basically, just hearing about a couple of students from that come to Cyber Trading University and just want to give you the feedback. I've been doing this for over 25 years. So been around for a long time, probably one of the longest running schools in today's industry and hopefully today we'll explain to you why you heard some great testimonials from some people and hopefully one day you could do the same thing. But today I want you to understand that I am here for, to me this is more of an interview. You're here to interview me because I know a lot of you here are educated and you want to know maybe you're not making money, maybe you took some class with somebody and you didn't like it and now you're going to see what separates us from everyone else. And today's main thing we're going to talk about is tape reading and how to follow the big money and those big iceberg orders. Now we're going to have a lot of fun today. We're going to talk about a lot of good stuff. I'm going to be asking a lot of questions from you and you do not want to go anywhere because after we're done in less than an hour I'm going to invite every single one of you to come into my professional trading room to see everything that we practice what we preach. So for some of you right off the bat if you just said, hey, could you show me your run? I want to see this. You're all going to be welcome to see it. Okay. But I don't want to waste your time.  I don't want to waste anyone's time. Let's just see if this is for you or not and then we'll go from there. But before we get started just really quick warning everybody so trading results vary to student to student. I am not going to give you any guarantees. I'm not giving you any warranties. Okay. If that's what you're looking for you can log out right now because first of all we don't do that and that's illegal and I want to warn you can lose a lot of money trading if you haven't figured that out yet. Okay. But with proper education, proper mentoring hopefully this is something for you for the future. Now I really want to get to know really quick. What are you looking to learn and just want to kind of just get to know everyone here a little bit? Are you looking to learn about software? Are you looking to how to read a chart? Are you looking to scan the markets? I mean, why are you really here? Okay. That's really where it comes down to it. Well, it's all about all of the above but all of the above pertains to one thing, following the big money. Now this is what we're going to cover. We're going to cover how to find the best stocks to trade. We're going to talk about how to compete against the smart money on Wall Street. We're going to talk about how to develop a consistent trading plan which a lot of us just jump into the stock and we just don't even know which is getting into that position. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the modern tape reading which is what I am. I'm a tape reader. We're going to talk a little bit about that on level two, level three and something you probably never heard of, level four. And we're going to talk about how to treat trading like a real business because that's what it is. It's a business. This is not a casino. This is not where you wake up and say, hey, I want to open up the trade. I want to replace my job. If anyone here runs a business, you realize the responsibility, the commitment that's involved, because you know what? It is a great job. It pays a lot of money, but you've got to know if it's for you or not. And that's really what my goal is. Now how did I get here? Which a lot of you are probably going to ask. Been doing this for a long time. What makes us different than any other school? Why we've been around? Why we're endorsed by more brokerage firms? Anyone in industry? Why I have a great record on the internet? I'm going to cover all that because the big thing that a lot of you have to be concerned about is what the next best thing is.  You see people bragging how much money they make. And hey, look at my next million dollar trader. And hey, look, I just spent $30,000 on this. Let me tell you, I'm not here to sell you the dream. First of all, I've been doing this for 25 years. I'm not here to knock anyone's business. But I don't know if they tell them the truth or not, but everything that we do tell you, you're going to meet every single person that you've seen on that list that's going to be in our trading room. Let them tell you, let them show you. But trading is not, we're not the big traders. We're a type of people who just want to make a day's pay. That's really it. And, you know, so if you're looking for to make the million bucks, you should just log out right now because we're not the right fit for you. We're just, I was just taught how to be a very consistent trader. And that's really what we focus on. Now, tell you a little bit about my family before I want to get you know a little bit about me. Okay, because I think a lot of you could probably relate to what I'm talking about. I'm first generation Italian. My parents came here from Italy. And my dad back then, you know, worked six days a week. Only day we had off was on Sunday going to church.   He said he came to this country, you know, after the world war. And he said, listen, I want you to realize that this is the country of opportunity. There's some, you know, you can make a lot of money here.  So if you like something, go out there, find the people that best in the industry and learn from them. And you know what, being a 22 year old kid, I would say I wasn't didn't want to listen to my dad. Okay, because I'm like, ah, you know what, I want to get a job.  Let me go out there and because you know what, I live here in New York. There's the financial capital of the world. So, you know, I was seeing people making a fortune in trading and what I'm interested in trading in the brokerage industry, all that stuff. And I'm like, let me go try it. And I lost miserably. I lost, I blew up my account two times. Finally, when I listen to my dad and he said, listen, I'm warning you right now. Go get a job, go work for somebody and see and learn everything that they do wrong so you don't do it. And you know what I've learned on the first day on the job, should have never ever made my first trade. Everything I was doing was the complete opposite of what I was supposed to do. And guess what?  That makes sense. You'll be like, why is they doing it like this way? Why do I keep looking at the past? Why do I look at the future? And that's what I'm going to show you. And you're going to be so disturbed. You might even be upset with yourself because you probably spent so much money on training somebody. And you're like, my God, this is all that's involved. And you're going to know it exists. You're going to be like, yes, I know it. This makes sense. And you're going to see it if you haven't seen it already. Which by the way, let me ask everyone a question. Is this your first time here? Your second time? Your fifth time? I'm just curious. How many times have you people been here? First time, first time. Margaret, several times. Fourth, third. Okay, good. And you know what? Sometimes you've got to hear it a few times before it makes sense. Mike says 10 times. Okay. Well, you know what? If you're coming here more than once, that means I'm doing something good. All right. So anyway, here's my family. This is a picture of me. I do a lot of presentations for NASDAQ. You can watch my show where NASDAQ has a TV show. They actually had me come on there to talk a little bit about their NASDAQ total view. But I started the company back in 1995. I started the first online education school in the industry. Been doing it for over 25 years. I'm one of the original SOAS bandits that started this industry. And I started the first day trading room. And you see it opening up all over the place now. But if you want to have the original here, you basically hear it from the horse's mouth. Now, when I'm all done, every one of you are going to come to that cyber group trading room. So everything that we show you, we talk about right now, you're going to have access to one full week in this trading room where we're going to show you how to find those stocks. We're going to show you those algorithms that you keep being scared about, those dark pools you hear about. How these things go up and down the way they do. Seeing why you're trading things that are totally opposite. Everything that we talked about, you're going to see it. And we're going to invite you in this trading room and do it. Now, before we do that, and now we're going to get into it, let me just get to know a little bit about you, everyone. Can everybody just give me a chat back and just tell me what kind of trader are you? I'm going to do a poll right here. Are you a stock trader, options, futures, forex? Maybe you're an investor. Just out of curiosity, what kind of traders we have. All right, now, let me just, before I share the results, let me just tell you this. If you've been doing something more than 60 to 90 days, and you're not seeing progress, you're not making money, you're probably wasting your time. Not that you probably learned from a bad trader, or maybe you did learn from a good one, who knows. But if you don't get this right away, it's almost like having an employee work for you.  You can't afford to keep dishing out money and paying them. Or some of you were an employee, you knew you were working for somebody like, man, this guy is, I got to worry about him. No, not hurting himself because he's going to hurt me. So trading is not for everybody. Now, as much as that people out there will want to tell you that it is, it's not. It's really not. And it's not a bad thing. I've been doing, and I think this is very important. You should listen to me carefully when it comes to this. I've been doing this for about, like I said, 25 years, 90% to 95% of the people that we invite, we don't even want to teach them. A lot of people really don't qualify to trade. So if I wanted to, I can have full 5,000 people in my room. We don't. We have a couple of hundred. And you know what, when we're done teaching you, you'll go someplace else.  If we tell you that, you know, what the truth is. Okay.  You're more than welcome part. Now let's talk about trading. Okay. I'm an actual day trader. Day trader, people get all nervous. You guys are crazy. No, day trading is the easiest thing in the world. It's the simplest thing. You know why? Because you don't have stocks go from 21 and wake up the next morning. They open up at 10. Okay. What about Netflix? You see Netflix. Let's bring up Netflix. Let me show you something. How about this stock? Okay. This is, this is. Oh, Netflix set $700 back in December. You woke up one morning. It goes from 500 down to 300. Just about a couple of days ago went from 350 to 250. He just broke 200. Okay. You know what I mean? Like what about that stock? What about Disney? You know what I mean? What I'm talking about. So don't look at it just because you know the name that you can't blow up your account. I like to day trade. And you can see stocks like this. This stock. Oops. Where we go. And put the date. What did I do here? Uh, Hit the wrong window. I accidentally accident. Hold on. Let me bring it back. Where is it? I want to show you like, uh, something that move pretty nicely. Yeah. Like this one right here. Here we go. You ever see a stock go from 450. In a matter of three, four hours goes to 13. Tell you didn't have to buy. You, let's say you bought at seven and you sold that at eight. You bought a thousand shares. The thousand dollars do that every day is a quarter million. You know what I mean? Meanwhile, the Dow was down what 800 points today. Right. It was down 800 808. Yeah. How's that working out for you? Okay. The thing is this. Why did it go up? Why did it go down?  Why did the market go down at the end of the day?  And the difference between me and everybody else that are out there is that I can go to sleep at night being a cash. And some people right now are freaking out what's going on. So for doing it for 25 years. How long have you guys been doing it for? Just let me know in the trading room. You're doing it for one year or three years, five years. How long you've been doing it? How long you guys been trading for? Two years, five years just started. Okay. What about you, Andy? Albert Dario just started Margaret. Okay. Two years Douglas, Mike, one year. All right. Good. So the whole idea is trading. You got to trade with a team. You can't do this by yourself. So let's get started and show you what the style of cyber trading diversity is. You ever wonder, ever, ever wonder how does a stock go from $10 to $16 in one day?  And honestly, who really cares? So how did it go from $4 to $14? And that's today. How is that possible? Okay. And not only that, but let me just bring something up here really quick. Let me show you the trading room. Is everybody see us right here? This is Josh. Okay. These are our afternoon watch list. These are stocks that we trade in the morning. These are our traders. Okay. These are stocks that the students are trading. Look, nuts, not X. You could see people look, trade Twitter made 24 cents, trade shorted Twitter made 13 cents. These are all traders that are trading. You didn't see all these people and you're going to trade with them. But how does that happen? Well, here's our watch list. Okay. Here's the date, the 25th. NXTX at 7.45, 49 a.m. That's right here. Okay. By the way, you can go to our Twitter feed. You can go on our YouTube channel. By the way, any of you guys subscribed to my YouTube channel? Anybody here subscribed to my YouTube channel? You can watch these videos that we do a live broadcast every morning and every afternoon. And you could see everything that we talked about, why these are going up and why these are going down. But more importantly is this, how can you make that trade? Okay. Well, the answer is straightforward. You have to follow the big money. Okay. You have to follow the big money.  The scanner, the chart, the total view and time and sales. So it all begins in pre-market. And you could hear some of the stocks that we traded like the NXTX and like the VRXU. Now, listen, there are other stocks out there. Not all of them move, but we won't know until the things come to fruition, like when the market opens up. But if you look at any one of these stocks, I only know one that makes that rings a bell is Twitter. Okay. All the other ones, I had no idea what they are. Who cares?  And the only way you're going to make money is you've got to risk the least amount of money with the high amount of reward. Now, what is the big secret, Fausta? What is your crystal ball? My crystal ball is this. Scanners. Okay. Exactly Bart. Who cares, right? If you look right here, hold on, I'm going to point you right here. You guys can follow along because that will kind of help, wouldn't it? There is my, you guys can follow my little animation. Here we go. Okay. So right here you could see the VRU. Up 162%. All right. There's a lot of stocks up here, 80%, 27%, 8%. Look at the losers, 34%. How do you know out of every one of those stocks, which one is going to give you the least amount of risk with the high amount of reward? Well, it's very simple. You got to follow the money and you got to know which one has the trend on it. So let's go to something called NASDAQ total view. And just to ask everybody here, just a really quick, I like to call it level three. So I'm just going to do a poll. Can everyone just tell me, does anyone here have level three quotes? Yes, no, not sure. Just see how you answer this question. All right. Now, as you are answering this question, you better pay attention very, very carefully because this is where I'm going to hopefully change your life. And this right here, what I'm covering right now is going to give you and let you know if this is something that you want to continue with CTU or don't continue with CTU because this is our basically a whole concept. What you're looking at right now, ladies and gentlemen, is the floor of the NASDAQ exchange. Okay.  I'm a regular guest there. And I specifically talk about stocks that are moving in the industry and how did I know they would continue to go higher? Not because I'm an analyst, not because I'm a technician. It's because I followed the money. Now, what you have right here is this. Like I said, and let me share, let me stop the poll and let me share the results that you could see from the results. Look how many of you here do not have it. And you know what, I'm actually a little insulted because about 20 to 30% of you did not answer this question. So you know what, let me just do you the favor and please don't take this in a bad way. I'm just being very sincere and honest. I'll take that as a no. So that basically tells me about only 90% of you here don't even have it. Okay. So let's look at this. It's right. On the right hand side, these are your buyers. On the right hand side, these are your sellers. Now, like I told you, this is not Fausto's special indicator. This is the exchange of the NASDAQ. Okay. Some of you watch, maybe you watch CNBC, you see those traders running on the floor. Obviously they're not really there anymore. It's all electronic. This is where they're at. Okay. So you have, I don't know how many times to repeat this. You have a seat on the exchange and you could see every buyer and every seller at every single price level. Now, think about that for a second. Because by you knowing where the buyers and sellers are, you can make smarter and better trading decisions. Because there's somebody here that bought is looking to buy 100,000 shares at $12.90. I don't think you're looking to buy 110,000 shares. I don't think some of you here got about over a million dollars to drop on an idea. Okay. But somebody does. And you know what, I would call that a demand, would you say? So as much as we're looking at these orders, just to kind of brief it down. Number one is how many orders make up those shares. These are the shares looking to be bought and this is the price they want to buy for. Whoever wants to buy for the most amount of money is up on top. Whoever wants to buy the shares for less money is down at the bottom. Whoever wants to sell their shares, but at least amount of money is up on top. Whoever wants to sell, buy their sell shares for more money is down here at the bottom. So what you're looking at is this. This is a big chat room. That's it. People are negotiating what they want to buy and sell it for. You, you ever hear of an auction before?  Oh, well, you're not licensed. You can't do that. Well, guess what? You don't got to be licensed anymore. You could do it right now. You could see it all. Now, do you notice why you're trading blind all this time? Now you're allowed to have access to that data. Think about having smarter and better trading decisions. Like I said before, you could do by having this data. Now let's talk about how do we utilize this data? Buyers equal support. You cannot have a support level unless you have buyers. Now, if you look at the stock right here, it went from $10 and 30 cents all the way down to a price right around at 960. Hit 960 after about, I don't know, about an hour and a half trending down. Went back up to $10, came back down close to 960, went right back up. Why in the world did it stop at 960? Why not 950? Why not $10? Why did it pick 960? What 960 have to do with anything? Oh, I know why. Because there was a 234,000 share buyer out there. Okay. And there was 34 different orders out there that made those buyers. You see that guy right there? Do I have to spell it out for you? So once again, you couldn't have all the support you think is out there, but it does not exist unless those buyers are out there that make that support. Let me show you another example. Let me show you something else. Okay. Here's a stock that went from 1360 all the way up like a rocket to 1450. And for some coincidental reason, never wanted to go to 15 or 16, like some indicators might have told you that, or maybe some other analysts told you that it came crashing down in less than an hour and a half right back down to 1380. Now, why did it stop at 1450? Well, because that resistance level must have been a big seller. It's not what happened in the past, because the past is not always indicative of the future unless that future seller that was out there in the past is in the future.  Because you see stocks break resistance all the time. And then you're like, why didn't it break it? Because there's an 85,000 share seller out there. All right. Now you got to keep in mind, you have 6,000 share sellers, 1,000 shares, 200, ooh, big spender, 100 shares. You're talking on an average right there. That makes up probably a guy is trading maybe 10 to 20 times more than the average buyer and seller out there. So why would you think you're smarter than him? You think you know more than that guy? It's good. But you know what? Money talks. BS walks. And if you think you're smarter than him, I got some news to you. You'll be this guy that boarded here and you're running it down and you're selling it there. How do I know it? Because I was one of them. That guy on the other side, I was a market maker. That's what I did. That's how I learned how to trade. Like I told you, some of you are logging late and right now.  I've just turned 50. I've been doing it for 25 years. I'm probably younger than some of you. People are like, well, I've been doing it probably 10 times, 20 times longer than some of you that are in this room. And I learned something new every day, but nothing has changed from the day I started till today. Other than you don't have to be licensed to do it anymore. Take a charge is when she got cheaper. And you don't have to go work and come here to New York City to work for a trading firm anymore. You could do it at a luxury at your home. You just have to know how to play the game. Because that's all it is. It's a game. All right. Everybody ready to have some fun? Okay. Let's just do this. Let's do a poll here. Okay. Now the poll question is this. Is this stock going up or down? Let's see how you answer this question. Up or down. It shouldn't take you that long. And by the way, listen, don't be scared to answer the question. Nobody's going to pick on you.  Just listen. You're here. Take advantage of it. Answer the question. Okay. Mark, put the question in the poll. If you don't mind. Because I want to share that poll. I want to see how some of you answered the question. All right. If it took you, if, okay, listen, I ended a poll. If you didn't answer the question, because you still have to think about it, you're probably should quit trading. Okay. Listen, once again, don't take it in a bad way. I'm just being honest with you. It's a very simple question. The stock's going down. One person says it's not enough data. What data do you need? What data do you need that stock is going down? That's all I was asking you. What is the trend up or down? And if you had to think about it, you shouldn't be trading. Okay. This is like kindergarten stuff. Now. Let's go to the next grade. My question to you, everyone is this. What is going to make the stock go up? Because could it go to 1440 to zero? That could happen. Chances are it might bounce somewhere. Right. What do we need? We need a very good Sid, Kevin, Rich, DJ. You're right. We need buyers. We need buyers. Right. Now. My question again to you is this. Do you see buyers on a chart? Do you see buyers out there? That's right, Mark. That's right, Rick. So when you think about it. And remember, this is just basic trading one on one. Right.  I just proved to you and I told you, which all agreed. Buyers and sellers make stock all up and down. So here you're looking at a chart that's going down and you don't see the buyers. So when you know when it's going to stop. Okay. When, when is it going to stop? Well, the only thing we're going to need is we got to go hop over there and let's go look at the book viewer. And as I'm looking where the buyer is, because remember that the buyers will make support without looking at any special indicator, any stupid heat map, any specific crystal bowl or alert service. There's a, there's 45 different orders out there. Okay. That make up. 213,000 shares at $13 and 50 cents. Okay. Look, 800 shares, 200 shares, 1000 shares, 213,000.  What do you think could possibly happen when the stock gets down to 1380? Yeah, Mark, exactly. I don't think the magic eight ball is going to work. And believe me, I've seen not once, but several times people have that thing on their desk. I actually sometimes use as a goof. It should bounce, right? If that's really cause that's what we call demand. Right. That is a buyer. We're looking for buyers. Chart didn't tell us that. So stock is at 1430.  You're talking about another 50 cents away. 50 cents. Are you sure? Yeah. Because you could hope all you want. The only guy that's kind of got you back right now is that guy at 1380. And guess what? Would it do hit 1380? It was at 1430, right? Hit 1380 and went right back up to $15. Now. Did you ever experience, you know, ever go out there and feel like somebody's watching you?  I can't afford to take any much of a loser on it and just sell it.  Neeta says all the time. Okay. Everybody else. Sid, you know what? That's a great question. And we're going to get to that. Okay. Sid has a question that says, why doesn't everybody use this? I'll tell you why. Because they're not market makers like I was. They weren't traders, you know? And you know what? A lot of people are, you know, they mean some of them are mathematicians. And they have this indicator and they want to make money off it. I don't know. All I could tell you is this. You're not going to see them on, you know, being sponsored by, you know, and being endorsed by Thinkorswim, being endorsed by TastyWorks, being endorsed by TradeStation. You're not going to see them endorsed by Charles Schwab, like we were, you know? You're not going to see them have a five star rate, five stars on Google. You're not going to see them having a rating on the bed of business bureau. They're not traders. They're not traders. But you know what? You got something good coming to you. You're here now, right? So anyway, getting back to the question I was asking you, that you feel sometimes people are watching you, you know what the problem is? Nobody's watching you. You're just not watching them.  We're like the ants on the floor. We're trying to get the crumbs, I tell people. You think they really care about your couple of hundred shares you want to buy and sell? These guys are moving millions and millions of dollars worth of stock. You think they care what you're doing out there? You know what I mean? Like you're just a tire kicker. And don't, don't, I'll be a tire kicker all day long. These guys are making millions, billions of dollars. And some of you here would just be happy to make, I just want to make, you know, Social security is not paying off. I'll just make 50 hundred thousand a year. Hell, if I can make, you know, a thousand a week, I'll be happy. You think they care about your thousand dollars? Do you guys want to steal your thousand? Come on fellow traders. You're talking about the most powerful market. You know, when you turn on a TV and I'm not here to get political, okay? But do you ever hear them say, oh, we got to tax Wall Street more. We got to go after those guys on Wall Street. Look what happened with, look what happened to Twitter.  Musk, a, you know, a headache. I can't believe he's dumping 44 billion.  Charity. It's business. You know what I mean?  If he wasn't such a great entrepreneur, if he wasn't a great, if he wasn't so great, he sold, he started with PayPal, I think it was, right? He made a hundred million dollars. The guy came here from South Africa with a hundred thousand dollars in his pocket. Started PayPal, made it, made it basically, made a hundred million. Some of us be like, I'm done. Oh, no, no, not him, not him. Now what has he worked? He took that a hundred million. He, he got into the market. He made himself over almost a quarter of a trillion dollars. He's worth. Okay. Where, where has he started the stock market? All right. Everybody has some fun right here because I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I'm going off on a tangent, but I just want to give you, to make you see that the opportunity of why you're here and how to do it the right way. Let's look at this right here, for example. Where do you think resistance levels would be on NCTY? Nancy, they, they have level four. We're going to talk about that in a little bit, but let's, let's have a little fun here. You know, we got, we got over a hundred people in here and I love it. No one signed out. I'm watching that number. That number keeps going higher. So that means I'm doing a great job. So I'm, I'm excited. So everybody here, if you don't know the answer, could you do me a favor? Just give me a question mark because I know what that means that you know, if you don't get it, I'd rather you tell me now. Where do you think resistance levels of it? DV, you're right. Rick, you're right. Nancy, you're right. Anthony, you're right. Everybody got the answer right. My God, you know what? That's pretty cool. If you said 1388, you're absolutely right. So let's just think about this for a second.  Your game plan is, okay, stocks not going to a hundred. I mean, it could happen, but your goal is where are my next biggest sellers? And when you look over here on book view, we're going to say, well, listen, you got 500 shares, thousand hundred. I would probably say 60,000 shares at 1388.  You're getting a double top. You're getting a big wicks on the candlesticks. I mean, the things that people come up with is just, I can't even keep up with what they're saying. Sometimes I came understand them, you know, just, just in general. But anyone else, oh, this thing's going higher. But you know what they didn't tell you is that this would happen in the past. They didn't tell you that there's a 60,000 share seller out there on the offer. And guess what? If you didn't see that, look what happened. Goes from all the way from 1388, right back down to 1170. And I don't know, matter about 30 minutes, right? How much would that suck? You bought the stock. You're making money. You're killing it. You only attend the stocks at 1380.  Wouldn't that, I mean, like, has ever happened to you? Okay. I know it happened to me. So it definitely happened to a lot of you. And that's why I'm here today. Because I hate seeing people lose money. It's not necessary. I mean, we're all going to lose as part of the game. Listen, baseball players, if you bat 300, you're the best baseball player in baseball right now. Okay. You know, but they're striking out 700, 700% of the time. So you're not going to win. You're not going to bat 1000 when it comes to trading. You just got to know an only reason why anyone really kind of fails is maybe greed, you know, discipline, but think about smarter and better trading decisions you would make if you waive the follow those orders. Sid, no, it also works for futures. We also teach it on cryptocurrency, all that stuff. Okay. Rita, it's nice to see you. Good to see you, Rita. By the way, let me share that. Rita, thank you very much. Always a pleasure for sharing your comments. I've taught Rita. Rita's been here. Been a student of ours for a long time. Great loyal student of ours. If you ever looking for somebody to be the best tour guide of Chicago, I don't know where you are today, but New York City, whatever. And what does she do? She becomes a trader here and she does it on part time. So it's good to see you. Anyway, we call them iceberg orders. You know, it's pretty cool, this photo. Look how small the iceberg is on top, but nobody noticed what's on the bottom. It's like the Titanic. That's where I came up with the word. You know, people go out there and they so focused the beauty on the top of the ship, but they didn't realize it. If they knew it was on the bottom, they, you don't want to sink and die like they did. Now the next thing people always ask me, it's just foul store, I heard about these orders, but they're fake orders. If anyone tells you that these are fake orders, run. They have no clue what they're talking about. You cannot put fake orders out there on the exchanges. You could cancel an order. Okay. You heard probably spoofing, but that's illegal. They get caught. They're gonna get five millions of millions of dollars. Believe me, it's not worth it. There is something called time and sales though. And I know a lot of people here don't really use it because it might move too fast. The reason why it moves too fast is you probably got your defaults wrong. Okay. But this is the confirmation of every transaction that's taking place in the stock. Actually this stock right here, this basically right here will control the chart. So a chart gets his data from time and sales. So if you want to know where the transactions are taking place, time and sales, where it's at. Now let's look at this example right here. I want to show you something. Here you have a stock going from $13 to $1450. Now you'll notice big seller right there, right? At $1450, 120,000 shares. Do you notice the stock went all the way to $16? How is that even possible? Well, look at the time and sales. Look at all the greens. $1450, $1450, $1450, $5,000, $2,600. The person on the offer was getting executed. You know what? That could happen.  After sitting there for about an hour and a half and that guy selling all those shares, that's the reason why the stock went up. So can stocks breaks and support resistance levels? Of course they could, you know? And with big buyers and sellers out there, could they get executed? Of course they could. And how do we confirm it? With time and sales, which a lot of you here are not using because it's all about following the money. Let's look at this example. SREN, big, big support level. Huge buyer, $110,000. I mean, that's like 1,000 times more than the average out there. They're looking to buy and sell it. But sure enough, the stock broke it and went only down to 11. A major, major buyer, which we all know would have been a major support, but look how hard that thing came down. Look at all the reds on that thing. Red, red, red. That guy got executed. And guess what? After that, if somebody went out there and says, I'm selling 10,000, it could run down the stock just on him alone. It could have ran the stock about a dollar or two. Now, one person's asking me, how do you know if he's covering a short? I don't know it. I don't care. Okay. And even if I know, and what would that even accomplish? Right? That you know something that, oh, I know that guy, please, that's a waste of your time. What's not waste of your time is that you see the order. You know it's a major support. You buy it at that support.  That number's dropping. Well, you know what? Gonna have to reverse course. And if you didn't reverse course, guess what? How much money were lost on that trade? Everett, that's a great question. He goes, how do I get level three? Is this available through most brokers? Everett, yes. But the chances is I don't want you to buy it. Don't, you're going to actually do more harm and good. Okay. I want to show you live in the market first. Let me show you how it works. And then you can worry about that later. Okay. I don't want you to sit there and start doing your homework and watching YouTube channels and stuff like that. Okay. Because whoever talks about something should practice what they preach. You know, and like I told you before, a lot of you here really don't qualify to trade. You might, some of you maybe is still not getting it, you know, but if you give me a week and see this live in the market, then it will basically come around. Okay. Because my thing is this.  Because you know what?  You're only here for one reason or it could be for a couple of reasons, but the main reason you know there was something else out there that you know that didn't exist, that exists, but someone didn't teach you that. I know a lot of you here took classes with other people. I know a lot of you took it and says, you know what? Didn't really work out, you know, maybe they got in trouble. Maybe they were teaching me something I didn't understand and says it's got to be someone else out there and maybe you bumped into Cybertrain University watching my YouTube channels or maybe seeing you live on TV or on any station or being endorsed. You know, we don't advertise. Okay. We don't have to. We don't need to. Okay. But because this, you know, is a lot of work. It's not hard. It's a lot of fun, but you got to know how to do it the right way. So let's go hop on over here and let's share. Let's go talk about level four now. That was impressive. Wait to see this. Now, for some of you like to look at a chart, here you have a stock that goes from $16 down to, oh, 15 bucks. Right now, right here, you have a 229,000 share buyer. This guy's been out there since 10 o'clock. All right. It is now almost 11. So, and you could see right here that there were buyers that got executed at 15, 1550, 1520. And then the dark of the red means that there was a substantial buyer. That price. So the difference between level three and level four is that you're seeing it on a chart, which I know a lot of us can relate to. You're seeing the consistency, how long he's been out there. And it's aggregating more than one exchange. Now you write, well, now we can see what's on the New York stock exchange on the, the CBOB, the ARCA, EDGX or a lot of the exchanges other than NASDAQ out there. So now we're aggregating it and we're getting to see more data. And we're seeing it as a, on a heat map, how long he's been out there for. Now, what is going to take the stock to go down? Sellers. So here you have a stock where, you can see a seller out there, seller out there. He gets kept pushing down the stock. Okay. So you ever notice like a stock will do like a bounce. They're like, Oh, maybe this is the bounce, right? And all of a sudden it goes back down and like, Oh, why did, why didn't make a low low? Well, did you see that seller keep popping up his nose out there? And then he came back again. He came back again. And then he came back again, again. Okay. It's what we call a ladder effect. There's a guy out there. He wants out of it. He's got a lot of it. And the only way he's going to get it is keep lowering his offer, lowering his offer, lowering his offer. Okay. So that's basically where it comes in. It comes into play. Thanks a lot, Michael. I appreciate that. I'm going to share your chat too. Also, there you go and share that one. Mike, Mike just posted that. So. Not knowing that that seller is still out there trying to get out of his 32,000 shares. You could see from seeing it from 11 to 11, 11, 20 to 11 to 10, 80. Dan, the thing went all the way down to 10, 50 for crying out loud. He just kept pushing it down and pushing it down and pushing it down. He wanted to get out of his shares and you could see it as a consistent. And if you didn't see it, you would blow up your account. So. This is another great tool you guys are going to see live in the market. That's what I'm saying. Don't worry about some of you. Hey, does my brokerage firm offered this in that? Don't worry about that right now. The most important thing you have to realize right now is that. You have to understand how the market works. And a lot of you right now don't know how it works.  Let me explain some two, because I know a lot of people here. Basically, a lot of you will hear trade options. Do you realize it's the movement of the stock that makes an option move? Don't you think you know how to, don't you think you should know what the stock is doing first to know which option to trade?   You know, and even if you're a swing trader, do you realize it's the movement of the stock over the course of the day which trickles into a swing trade?  Because you could see the pattern just keep happening. Like, oh, people are still selling it. They're selling it. What do you need to wait two days from now to hit your price target? You could see it right now. They're dumping it. Why not jump in now? Why wait two, three days later when it ends up going down two, three, four, five points? I don't know what numbers. Take a number out of the hat. 20%, 30%, 2%. You could see the data live. It's all about what's happening. So it's time to, you know, once again, keep it what we call, keep it simple. Stop getting confused. Get unorganized. You know, getting greedy. You got to know how to play the game by what we call here the KISS method. Keep it super simple. Some of you make things so complicated and has so many bells and whistles. And then I would say, oh, the most important windows to have on the screen, you don't even have them up and running. Because nowhere ever took the time to show you how to do it right.   Listen, you know, that's not important right now. What's important right now is this. You know you want to do this. You just got to find the right person that you could understand who does it the right way. You have to understand. You have to interview these people. You have to see who is endorsing them. You got to see if you get it. Okay. And I think a lot of you are kind of getting it. And we only spoke for about less than an hour. Imagine if you gave me a week to show you this live in the market. And you know what? Let me just be honest with you. You don't have to kill it to trading. You don't have to kill it.  Now you listen, you'll be making, you can make $2, $2, $10, whatever it is, 20 cents, 50 cents. You're on an average every day is a nice six figure salary. You know, I mean, I think a lot of you will be happy with that, even maybe even half that, right? Better than losing. I could tell you that you don't have to kill it in trading. That's where I made my mistakes in the beginning. How many of you here? I mean, I was talking to someone just a minute ago. Oh, I started a cow with a hundred thousand and they got it to a quarter of a million, you know, last year. I'm like, wow, that's, that's a pretty substantial amount of money you made in a short period of time. How are you doing right now? Oh, I have like, I lost about 200. How do you make that? How do you go from 100 to 250? Now you're down to 50,000. Because he was trading like, you know, I didn't want to say how he was trading, but maybe like a crackhead. What I'm going to possibly say, he shouldn't have been in those positions in the first place. No one ever taught him how to lose. You know what? He got lucky on certain trades. Okay. That's where it came down to it. And where is he now spent two years building that account and lost it all. All right.  It's exactly right, Patrick. This is not a sprint. It's a marathon. You don't got to kill it. Listen, you can't be self-taught to do this. You know, I know a lot of you here all have mentors. Hell, our parents are mentors. Okay. You took a job yet a mentor. A teacher was a mentor, you know. So if you want to do it right, you got to surround yourself not only with a good mentor, but people around you are very good at it. And I want to introduce you to traders that we've trained to see how good they do and see how we change their lives and see how they think for themselves. Because it's not about us telling you what to do.   I know for a fact that a lot of you here probably could say, you know what? I took a class with somebody and they never post this up. I never seen my brokerage firm endorsed by anyone. Let me tell you something. These companies do background checks on us. Somebody, some other people don't want that. They do credit checks on us. Okay. Criminal checks on us. You think they want us to come do presentations to them to know that we're teaching people how to lose money? Or you know what I mean? So I think you would trust them more than anything. They have a lot more to lose than us. Okay. Now, let's get to the point. How can we learn more? Because we're just basically finishing up right now. So for everybody here, we're going to invite you in my trading room. Okay. I want you to give me, listen, you don't got to be there for a week. You could be there for one day. And I think, I think it will speak for itself, but I want to invite you into our trading room. Like I said, I want you to see the trades that we trade, how we find them, how they move. If you could be there in the morning, could be in any afternoon is perfectly fine. Now we do live audio broadcasting at 9am in the morning. We go up until about 1030. Then we come back in the afternoon. We do live commentary from two 30 to four. So please, if you log in a middle of the day and say, I don't hear anything. Listen, we're not there all day. You're not, you shouldn't be there all day. Okay. These are the most volatile times in the market, the first hour and the last hour. Okay. Or you want to go to sleep time, right? That's right, Mike. Now every Tuesday, we're going to give you access to traders talk. We do a traders talk in our trading room, where we actually review some of the traders. We go over there, their trades with them. We look at their journals. You guys going to learn from that. So we do, we give a lot of good stuff. And one other amazing thing that we just implemented into our trading room, we came out with alert service. You're all going to have access to this. So as we're seeing iceberg orders, as we're seeing stocks that are moving in the market, let's just say you're not near a computer. You could access the trading room live right from you, right from your phone. So, which is another great tool. Now, where's it going to cost? $9. That's it. $9.  You're going to give me one week in a trading room for $9. Well, how do you make money? Listen, I'm not looking to make money. I'm looking for traders that I could interview, that I could teach this file and see if it's fewer or not. So listen, can you afford $9? I think you could. Okay. It's an expensive cup of coffee at Starbucks. All right. I can't even say it's lunch anymore because now with inflation, lunch is probably costing you, I mean, in New York, it's costing about $20, $25 now. So now everybody's getting $15 an hour. But $9 is just an application fee to tell me to let me know that you're a real person or not. I know everybody here would register in a heartbeat to get in that room, but we don't know if you're a competitor. We don't know if you're, you know, who you are. So $9 and guess what? After a week, if you're not happy, I'll give you $9 back. That's about it. $9. Now this is what you're going to get fellow traders. You're going to get one week in the trading room. You're going to get, you're going to have access to the trading room from 7.45 in the morning to about 4.30. You're going to get a daily watch list.  You're going to get three workshops that will teach you how to trade. You're going to get the traders talk library. So you get to watch those libraries. If you can't be there live, you're going to see the recordings. And that's really a big expensive value. It's a lot of work that we're going to give you and you're going to have access to talk to an education advisor. Okay. All for $9. That's it. And like I told you, just to answer one of your questions that came in, no, we're not going to bill you after seven days. Listen, first of all, I don't even know how to do that. Okay. Secondly, isn't that sleazy? Why would I go out there and, you know, ooh, I got, you know, you forgot to cancel in seven days. Let me, let me bill them for 300 bucks or a hundred bucks. We don't do that game. I don't need your $9. I need traders that want to make, you know, five, six figures that I could trade with that will, that can get it and say, okay, now, you know, how do you teach me more than we'll worry about that later? But that's all the cost is nine bucks. Now a couple of questions came across over here. I want to answer for you. How much money do I need to get started? $9. That's all you need. You don't need a brokerage account. You don't need to trade. You don't need, you don't need level three levels. You don't need any of that stuff. Zero, $9. All you need. You don't need to worry about any of that other stuff. Okay. Do I need a brokerage account to get started? No, you don't. We don't want you to buy anything. We just want you to watch. We want you to see how we train other traders how to think for themselves. Okay. So don't worry about any of the other stuff. Now, where do I get level three and level four? We'll talk about it in class. All right. Because when it comes into class, I want to show you more in detail. The market's closed right now, so we can't show you. All right. So we'll tell you, we'll show you how to get it. And for some of you who do register right now, please, there's a questionnaire that's going to come right after. And we'll be able to let us know a brokerage firm you have and our education advisors will let you know who does have and who does it. What makes us different than other gurus and other schools? Well, I listen, I kind of explained it a little bit more. I can't talk on their behalf, but I was a market maker. We're endorsed by every brokerage firm in the industry and direct access. We got a very good record on the internet. It's been around for 25 years. I think my record speaks for itself.  We, we, we, we, you know, when you do the trial, you're going to see we're very big on customer service.  So that kind of really makes us different than other schools. Does this work for options, futures and crypto and Forex? Yes, it does trading. I'm a specific stock trader and day trader. So what you're talking about right here, usually. I would say, you know, 90, 70% of it's treating the same with psychology and, and discipline, but it's just a different market. Now a couple of questions came across here. Will the live training session be recorded? I work in the daytime. I would be able to view the sessions after work hours. Yes, Everett, you'll have some of the recordings for it and so on.  Absolutely. I have a question here from, you know, for another trader. How do you, how's your trade difference from reliance capital? I don't know who reliance capital is. Listen, there's a lot of people in this industry. When I started, it was about three of us. Now there's hundreds of people out there doing it. But, um, so I really can't answer that question. Okay. Now, um, just a few other questions coming across here. And these are basically some testimonials. So getting back to one last thing. I want to give one more last promotion. One last promotion at $9. If you register right now. First 20 people that register, I will personally pick up the phone. And talk to you on the phone and do a coaching class with you. So if that makes us different than one of you asked me about that other, other school trading different, I don't know if people, if you ever had the opportunity to talk to the, the owner of the company or ever talked to anybody. Some people like, wow, it's incredible. I never talked to anyone. You guys called, you do this, you do that.  Listen. You want to do it right. This is how we, this is how I was taught when I first got started. I really don't change it, but I don't like going in front of people. Like I'm going to be at the money show in two weeks in Las Vegas. Haven't done in a while because of COVID and everything else. But I hate seeing people just sit there and just like, just dying to please help. Because I blow up my account. I don't want that to be you. Okay. And you know what? You're here now. Do it right. It's $9. Let me be honest with you. Let me show you what's going on. Let me introduce you to people like you that are doing it. That we're in your situation. It's never too late to learn. You saw the markets down 800 points today. I mean, how'd you guys benefit from that? Is it 90% of your portfolio short? I don't think so. Is this, is this the end? You know what? We'll know when we day trade. Well, Mark, Mark has a good question. You know what? I'm glad that you did too. But we all got to learn, you know, Sometimes we got to learn the hard way. Couple of people here just want to register. It's want to kind of. Do a couple of shout outs. Tune. I just got your registration. Welcome aboard. The new ready. Got your registration. Bart just got your registration. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Just got your registration. Welcome aboard. Dario got your registration. Ah, Marco Keith. Misha's slowly that's basically. I'm just looking at the orders are coming in. Nine dollars, leasing job, 9 dollars. What do you have? The loop. The worst thing that can happen is that you learn something. And it's, it's not for you. I'll give you money back. But I rather, you know the real truth? Cause there are a lot of people out there. They think they're going to teach you how to trade the market. But, you know what, we're not telling you to break the bank right now. Let's see what it's all about and you go from there. Terry has a good question. What is your winning percentage? Terry, you want my winning percentage? Pay $9, come in the trading room and you'll see it, you know what I mean? But if that's what you're worried about, I'm not the right fit for you, okay? And I'll tell you why, Terry, okay?   And I'm not trying to insult anybody, but optionetics, invest tools, online trading academy, there were a couple of new ones that just came out, that just got closed up, you know what? I don't need to show off to anybody. You want to see the real facts? Pay the $9, come in the trading room and you'll be the decision of it. Well, like I said, you know, and another thing about percent, listen, you could have a good percentage of winners, but how big are your losers?  If we don't go off percent, we go off dollar amount, that's really the comes down to it. We work on a point system, not on a percentage system, because I could have a 30% winning ratio, but my 30% could be 20 times more of the winners than the losers. You know what I'm saying? So it doesn't really go by percentage. It goes by, what did you make at the end of the day? You know, that's how it really comes out to it. All right, a couple more shout outs here, ladies and gentlemen. I got a call of the day. Douglas Zimmer, I just got your registration. Everett, just got your registration. Shing Kong, just got your registration. Bart Kay, just got your registration. Welcome aboard, good to see you all. Now listen, for everybody here, I just want to remind you, everybody at registers, you don't have to start right away. Okay, that was another question people came up. You could start, I prefer you start tomorrow, but you have to talk to an education advisor. We are going to walk you through what you're going to see, because when you go in there, you might be lost. You're not going to know what windows are, what you're looking at. You're not going to see where the level three is, and you're like, okay, what do I do now? It's like going to the gym, right?  What time is the classes? Why is it so dead? What we're going to do is think of going to the gym, and we're going to be a personal trainer, and we're going to walk you through a machine, machine, machine, machine, teach you the routine, teach you and tell you a little bit about how to do it right, what the diet is, if you want to make this successful or not. And then by the end of the week, if you don't like the gym, no problem. But at least you could see the professionalism and the quality and why we've been doing this for so long. Nita says, your team is awesome, Fausto. Nita, thank you very much, and you know what? We just love what we do. We love changing people's lives, but we also like to help everybody in a way to make sure they make the right decisions, because a lot of people, it's a big failure rate, and a lot of it starts from being self-taught. And the other part of it is just not taking the time to do your due diligence on who you should learn from and who you shouldn't.  Then you should make a decision and then go from there. My phone's ringing off the hook right here. A couple of more people, a couple of shout-outs right here. Darren, Albura, just got your registration. George L. got your registration. Antonio P. got your registration. Bill MaMillard just got your registration. I don't know if I repeat these again, just reading them off. All right, any other questions? Frank, I just got your text message. Sorry, I missed your class. I thought I'd enjoy if you're going to involve the program. Listen, so if you missed the class, don't worry. It's just being recorded. You can watch a little bit later. All right, guys, listen, I've got to get ready. For some of you don't know, I have my own home living channel. I do a lot of cooking. I take care of gardening. I got chickens. I take care of, you can always go there and watch it here. That's the home living. Just go on YouTube. You can watch it, but I'm going to get ready. I got a dish I'm cooking downstairs. I'm making, and I'm going to have a couple of, these are the hobbies that I have. Yep, I have. You have chickens too. I love them. I call them my therapy chickens. So when I train, I got nothing to do. I go out there and I play with them. But I have a whole video on that too. So if you like how I teach here, you might like my home living channel. Just please like me, please, and definitely share me on those videos. But I got a lot more coming out. But I'm going to cook a dish right now. I'm a big cook. I love cooking. So I'm going to get ready. Dinner is almost going to be here soon. It's already 5.15 here in New York. So I hope that's a lot for you today. But in the meantime, I'll see you all tomorrow in the trading room. And if you're not ready, I get it. That's fine. You know what? Maybe that's not the time. I saw some of you can hear 3, 4, 5 times. Sometimes you got to hear it over and over again before it sinks in. Maybe that due diligence really quick. But hopefully, you know, you've done it and we'll see you there. So in the meantime, make sure you take care of your questionnaire. We'll see you in upcoming classes. And just always remember before we go, you have to learn before you could earn. Thanks everybody for watching. And we'll see you. Hope we see you all in the trading room.


Okay, so next moving to 546, which is an actually interracial justice. My understanding is that Eric is not available until to do the correct. Coach, Martin, do you want to take a quick break? Do you want to play the groundwork or the kind of foundation of the next draft? What's best? Sure. I definitely want to have discussion on this and could point out the few changes that we did discuss the other day and that this does implement. Okay, so coach, is that the work for the two of you to talk about the changes and do a walkthrough now in Eric's absence? Okay, so make sure that everybody has, it should be draft 4.1 of H546. Correct. Everybody got it? You can go ahead and start, Martin. I'm just going to make sure I get a copy. The two biggest changes, one has to do with the makeup of the advisory panel. And the other has to do with the makeup of the division itself. And you can see, as far as with respect to the advisory panel, this draft would eliminate. Okay, Martin. Page seven and eight. This takes the number of members of this advisory council down from 20 to seven members, and it focuses on the communities that are impacted by the disparities, primarily in the criminal justice system. So it takes away all of the individuals who represented the organizations related to or providing information into the system. It eliminates them. I am noticing, I think that we still have one change that I don't see that Eric has put into this latest draft and we can ask them about that, that we wanted to make clear that these entities, I'm sorry, they're there. I apologize, page 10. This provides, it makes it clear that these entities are to provide somebody for the council to be able to consult with on an as needed basis. So that's, so we move the providers of the data into this liaison role and really kept the council itself focused narrowly. So we've also, you know, one of the in testimony with respect to advisory council we did, we did consider and we talked about the possibility of having expanding the current racial equity. There's a panel that is within the office of racial equity equity, I'm sorry, and we talked a little bit about whether we should just expand the role in the membership. And there are a couple issues with that number one is that the primary purpose of this advisory panel in the in this context of this bill is to provide some independent some independent oversight this was something very important to our gap. in its recommendations and putting it within the office itself as it currently is it's less independent reports directly to the governor instead of reporting to the, the director of racial equity that's one point. The other is, it's going to be the same number of people that we would be foisting on this already. So let's take a member panel let's keep this very focused on the data and the data analysis, not give them all the responsibilities because this other panel has a lot of different responsibilities. This would be very focused just on the data gathering aggregation and analysis so so that's, that's why we put this where it is but would love to of course before we jump on to the other component if there is any input. So what we've done here if this is coming along to where people want to see this go or, or if there's something else that needs to be done with that. I'll start because I'm sure you're waiting for me to go. Always. So what you did was you took a bunch of positions and you put them over here and you relabel them and do the liaison or cover you pronounce it, which you're still going to have a strong position, which you've already got set up with the administration through Susana to answer to the governor already so I don't see where you've done anything with that because Susana is already dealing with all these different groups anyway. You're, I'm going to, I believe I said this before I'm going to say it again, you're already reinventing the wheel that's already there. She already has herself and the governor has already approved to other positions that we cannot fill the third position now, we cannot handle the existing data, we do not share the existing data. So why we're doing this is makes. I understand what you're trying to accomplish but we're already doing it to as much as can be handled right now and we're making progress, not near the progress that needs to be done, but we, we are really rushing things through. I already have Susana there. And I still, which, you know, what is her. I'm skipping out here her title is that the head of the racial executive director of racial equity. Yeah, thank you. So, I mean, you're doing a whole new bill on something that's already set up. I don't get it and I don't support it. I, and I appreciate and I respect what you're trying to do and I want to make that perfectly clear. But that's my, that's my opinion, you already got everybody included in this to begin with, we know we have a situation we've had a situation. We've made strides on it and we're going to continue to make big strides on it we want to make Vermont a welcoming state, a welcoming community, and, and, and to grow. So, in some ways, I think this is going to work against what you're trying to do. So, can I just want to make sure I fall in terms of when you said that you said in this draft things were pretty much just moved over, are you referring to on page 10. These are liaisons, which are as as needed, you know, liaisons as as needed, as opposed to that what you're referring to as opposed to members of a like originally was was the council. Yes, because they're already going to be involved they're not going to go anywhere anyway they want to be heavily involved in this so I did which, in my mind, is just rename them and, and to go and do the same thing. Did those people eliminated from the council. From going to 20 to seven those 13 positions I'll call them there. They don't have as far as I understand they don't have a vote as far as that council goes anymore, and they're going to be considered more like witnesses. And they don't have to attend every meeting it's right it's at the request of the advisory panel the council to request their participation and input. And they don't have a voting, like you say and they're not responsible for putting together the reporting that this that the seven members for community members. Correct. I don't know what the change in the size of the, the council does for the cost, or is the cost still centered on the, the data administration. I see those members moving 13 people on that should have affected that minor. Yeah, really minor. The most of the individuals who are the late liaisons would, this would be part of their regular job they wouldn't get per diem. And the change in the cost is only taking the two legislators off. So it's the two legislators times the per diem times the 12 meeting so so it doesn't change. Yeah, so the appropriation is still mostly for that data management for the data management and exactly. I thought we were going to have the fiscal note today but it's going to be done any day that will really spell out what the per diem cost is, and what all the components of the cost it's going to be presumably it's going to be less than 960,000 which is in the bills. But we should see that so hopefully. Yeah, that's the goal. Yeah. I hope I'm getting the right names for these panels and boards. So the commission is a five person commission. No, the council, the council is it's 17. No, no, no. What used to be called the Bureau. Oh, yeah, that's that's the separate that's not the second part which I hadn't really addressed yet. Okay, okay. So so based and I can jump on to that and then we can. That was under the impression I thought I heard you say five member and that was under the impression that that had gone back to a three member. Yes, it has and you'll see that and let me see the last page, page 12. Yeah. So where it's one full time what's called the division lead and two full time analysts. And we heard from Kristen McClure that it's a data analyst and the data steward, right. And the lead would also be in charge of administrative type issues with respect to the council. I think it's like someplace along the way I heard that, and I don't see the language here, but it that it's going to start at three and if they need to expand to five or is this set at three. There's language that we have for them to look at it not necessarily to expand but to see if they have the right resources from what we heard from testimony there's a lot more upfront work and in fact the staff could go down. You know, once they've set up the communications between these various systems, they've done the data dictionaries, they've, you know, running more smoothly than, then, then supposedly it will, it will go down and that's what the two or one correct. And I'm pretty sure that's what Kristen McClure had testified. Is it going to be language that says that. I mean, knowing government the way I know government. Usually things don't get cut back very often, but I do appreciate the, you know, going from the five to three certainly. Physically, I mean, it's certainly better and, and I think three in Vermont is probably going to be more than enough, you know, when, you know, when I think of places like Connecticut have three there. I think the Connecticut, we'd have to find out a little bit more information but I might understand they have three for the ongoing, they're already, you know, they've already gotten past the startup okay heavier. But on page four there was language we put in there that asks for a report on the structure and staffing levels it does not say that they should go up or should go down, but that we need a report from from the division. So that any future staffing adjustments, we would, we would make that determination depending on the reports right and I can tell you for sure that the costs at ADS that the agency of digital services, which includes a half time project manner and then a database administrator and this I think all part of person of course testimony that that's a one and a half to two year period of time, so that's not going to be an ongoing cost, the part of ADS. And one more. So that 960,000 that was in the original fiscal note. Is that does that include a five member again Bureau. That'll, that'll be reduced by two to full time which I'm going to guess is going to be in a $200,000 range. Presumably. Right. Well, we, you know, that's, that's the reason we wanted the updated fiscal note. You know, so that we're not presupposing. And we have an accurate figure before we actually even vote. As a committee. That wouldn't be fair to any of us. But the adjustments have been made. And that's part of the reason why we asked Kristen to come back and Susana to speak very directly about what implementation of this new division would look like up to that point. It was based on information we had gotten from other reports. You know, so it's, it's, it's honing in on it. And I think we're getting closer every day. And one more question is that the information collected. I remember I heard something that it's not going to be somewhat. So. The division will be receiving what's called identified information. So you'll be able to, you'll be able to see which person's attached to the various documents. That's a public portal and it should even say in the bill. The information that's on a public website or portal is called de identified information so that it's not identified with the person is personal information is redacted. Correct. Okay. It's higher level information summary type. Okay, but the general information that statistics maybe percentages maybe derived from is going to be available. And remember, those were based on the testimony that we got both from Kristen McClure. Talking about the sieges, you know the federal related information security piece that we actually pay extra money for to ensure that that and security is maintained at that level. And then the other component that they came up was from the archivist from her testimony. But I think that the combination of folks between the ADS and the archivist, and then we did get extra information from ledge council around freedom of information as well so that plays into it as well. So we've got all of the security minds working together to ensure everyone's safety. So, yeah, Alicia. Yeah, quick question because I'm on page four section 5013 data governance and maybe I'm reading it wrong but I'll put the vision one there any data or records transmitted or obtained that are exempt from public inspection or copying and the public records that shall be exempt and remain confidential to the extent required by law. So, is that we were saying like, we're de identifying information before it's public or are we saying that this information is not public period. That's, that's tripping me up. I have a real issue with not having any kind of transference on that date I don't want to identify information. Let me be like, sure, I don't want to identify information that that but there is this like if I burned any courthouse mask profile they be identified as they hand it to me. They take out the slip of paper the Scott Social Security or any other things are not public, then they hand the file to me. Is that what this is saying, or are we saying that no data that is transmitted or obtained is going to fall into public records. I'd let her go Eric. I don't know if that's a shorty at that extent required but let's see. Yeah. Hi Eric. Perfect timing perfect timing. Hi there. How are you everybody. Thank you. Hope you're well so Eric page four. Line 16 that language. Do you need Felicia to restate her concern or. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind sir I caught the end of it I'm not sure I caught the from the very beginning sorry. No worries. Yeah. So my concern is, and maybe it's just my lack of familiarity with this section of law. So I'm just curious, any data or records transmitted or obtained by the division that are exempt from public inspection or copying shall remain exempt and be kept confidential to the extent required by law. So I'm just curious on two things, which of these records that are going to be transmitted transmitted or obtained are going to be exempt. And number two, what is the extent required by law for confidentiality requiring these records. Are we just de identifying the information, or are we only allowed to say like, we have 500 files that we received from such and such an agency, the information within these files confidential. So I'm curious like what level of information is complex on me to stay identifying are we holding information entirely. And then which of the records being sent to the division are going to be exempt. Right. Yes, thanks for for the repeating the question so yeah I think I follow it and the answer is that this sentence does not change anything that would currently apply to any of those records. So the idea, before I look at the language, the idea behind the language and I, and this is originally drafted by Tucker Anderson our public records attorney for, and it's, it's been used in a couple of other contexts as well. When, when you what you want to do is to create a situation where you're not changing any of the public records law that applies to a given document, this is the language that you use. So let's go back to your example of the 500 documents. Everything turns on how those documents are treated with respect to public records law under current under their current status with whatever law enforcement agency they came from. So let's say they were at the Department of Public Safety or wherever they were. They are governed by as public records they're governed by the public records act and some of them will be confidential and some won't, depending on whether existing exemptions apply. And, you know, that's would be up to the each individual agencies public records officer to make those decisions and that sort of thing happens all the time but you know whatever that law is that the idea here is to say that's still the law in other words, by transferring them to the division. Nothing changes. The idea is that if they were confidential under the law, as it applied to them when they were sitting with the Department of Public Safety, then they stay confidential. If they were public, when they were sitting over there with the division of public and sorry the Department of Public Safety, then they'll be public when they come to the to the division. That's the whole idea is not to change anything so that this statute or bill I should say will not affect whether the given document is public or confidential. But whatever the answer would be under the existing public records statute with respect to that document when it's sitting over there in the originating agency will continue to be the answer. And that's why also I sort of beyond that sentence. It goes on to say that the state or local agency that transmits the data still remains shall be the sole records custodian for purposes of responding to request in other words, the division is not going to respond to these requests. It's going to be that as if the document was still sitting. It's going to be that, whether it's DPS or local sheriff's department, whatever it may be, the same department that would respond to the request, if they hadn't sent it to the division will still be the answer and give their, their response if, you know, this all depends obviously on somebody submitting a public records request but assuming that's what happens. And they would give give an answer the same way they, they would if they still held on to the back. That helped to respond or no. It solves both the questions I asked but raises another one. And I apologize to belabor this. No not at all. Actually, while you're looking Eric I forgot to remind you to ask you to identify yourself for the, for the record I need to work on that I think because I see people's names I have not been as diligent and thank you for a clerk for reminding me about so. Oh, sure. Sorry. Yes, it's Eric dispatch for the Office of Legislative Council. Thanks. Yeah, sure. So, last question from that is, if the division makes a recommendation and uses the data that has been transmitted them in the making of that recommendation and references it. So, I would say, I go ahead and play a public records request to the division say please forward any data file use in the creation of this report. As subject by law. So the division look at all of the data they use and refer that request out to each sending local state agency, or initial originator of the document. So, are we by nature then making it incredibly cost prohibitive to have access to public records because I do believe that if there is a, there is provision in law for cost of preparing the public records can be paid by the requester. So if I asked the court for a document, they can charge me the printing. I asked my Tom clerk, they can charge me that hours it took them to get it together, plus the printing fee. Are we making it cost prohibitive for people to obtain records to the public records act, due to the labor time of going back to each individual state or local agency department of function for the records used in compiling reports from the division. I think if I if I understood the question correctly. You're asking more now about some data that the division say compiled on the basis of documents that they've received from multiple agencies, as opposed to say a request for a document itself that they receive from the agency is that kind of where you were going. Yeah, so let's say I put together a report and I have data from representative Norris and Milan, and Donald and not, and then you send me a record to classic I would like the data used to compile your report. And after those guys I've got nothing to do with it. And each of them charge you a fee for preparing the documents that you requested for me that I use in my reports gets the conclusion or foundation that I made the legislature. Am I by nature, making this cost prohibitive for an individual to have access public records that the division uses and their recommendations. That's an interesting question. I'm, you know, by not being a public records officer myself I'm not going to be able to probably answer with 100% certainty but sort of playing that hypothetical out. I do know that Tucker said, for example that if we're talking about the report. In other words, you know the report that was compiled on the basis of the data from the other people. The report is a record of the divisions. So they, they make a decision about the report because they compile in theory they compile that on the basis of the information that they got from the other agencies. So, they would respond to that. But if it's a, a, if the person who's requesting also wants to see the documents that the division relied upon when they compiled that report. Then I would think that the, although it's a may I don't is that so that's one thing that if you remember that was changed in response to I think a suggestion from representative Norris. I used to say shall I'm in line one and two of page five now. So, division has some discretion there about whether to direct to either to respond to a request itself, or to send it back to the originating agency. I don't know for sure, but it would seem that if they decide, for example, to say, okay, you know, they'll make whatever decision they're going to make about the report because that's their own document. But if they, if they do end up saying, well, go back to the, you know, the Department of Public Safety or the Sheriff's Department and such and such a county to get these documents because that's where we got them. I don't know, but it doesn't seem like there's a huge cost differential because that's what the person, the person would have had to pay whatever cost to the Sheriff Department to get it in the first place. So, it may not change anything but it could be that I'm missing something there. Yeah, it does say right above the division may direct the two lines previous 1920 and then onto the line one on page five. The local agency that transmits data or records, the division shall be the full records for purposes of responding to request for the data or records. So, I don't know if it seems that if a public records request it's filed with the division from an individual and the division then says back to the state and local agencies, please respond to this. The amount of time is going to be greater than if I just said hey DPS, can I please have such and such a record. And so we are increasing the workload and therefore increasing the time and costs of this request. And it just from a transparency point of view. I wanted to be the division puts out a report. And an individual says I'm going to look at that data and look at that report and I want to be an engaged member of the citizenry, looking at what my government puts out. And then they make it cost prohibitive to see these records. And that really is no transparency. We have put a gatekeeper on it. And that, that concerns me. So, I don't know if there's a way to solve that, but it's, that's, that's kind of what I'm chewing on is, I want there to be a high level transparency with this division. And that is the best way for not just the public but for legislators for our lawmaking process for every other entity they interact with to really have trust in the data trust in that division as a new entity they brand new entity to take that run. And to make it an arduous process to in a sense fact check is a problem. And I just, I want to find a way to fix that. So that's that's what I'm chewing on. I think this does point out something that we probably should have changed when we change from shell to may because I think that really did the originating agency really isn't the soul records custodian if, if the division decides to go ahead and be the one that turns it over so that language I think is going to have to be adjusted on page 19 on page four lines 19 and 20 I don't know if it goes far enough for your concern, Felicia, but at least that clears clears up that they really are not the soul records custodian. Once the data is turned over to the division. Do you see what I mean, Eric on that. Yeah, definitely. Yep. I think that's probably it would be a good idea to run this conversation by Tucker. I certainly not an area that I would just want to be changing language on the fly because I'm sure I would mess something up. I don't know if there's a way that it's really an intermediary level. It's like, if I want the actual record. It was sent individually or as it's own data set. Yes, there's going to be a cost that I want to make it as, at least cross prohibitive as possible, as we can statute without kind of exempting this from. I'm not going to be saying that I statute on public records. But if I'm looking for, well, hey, did you create a data set out of these records that were sent to you can I please have that data set. Who owns the data set if it's not included with the report. But going to be the division, and does the division send me out to get the records to make my own data set or do I have access to that data set is the database, its own public record. How are we donating that like it is that there's a lot of tacky tacky questions and I'm not trying to be problematic. No, no, we should figure that we have to take a result. I want to take the time to do this right. And I want to hammer it. I want to make sure that it's infallible when it goes. I appreciate this work. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Barbara. I may not be so relevant anymore, but back to the discussion about the staffing. I don't remember anybody talking about crime research groups feedback to Karen saying that often we don't fund things adequately and it. It's nobody is first of all, if we can't get people higher they'll be vacancy savings. And I trust the people who are doing the work to tell us what they need. And the appropriations committee to review that. And so I hope we don't end up making assumptions that it doesn't feel like is our place to make and mean we all want to make sure we're spending money carefully. I don't want to get this right like I don't want to pass. But it's true, we will have a hard time getting data making sure it's all in but that's a reason to make sure we have the staff that we need to do it properly. And so I just want to not be penny foolish. Thank you for that. Thank you. I've been struggling with with this whole division slash bureau and whatever. And there's many reasons for this I realize that this is very valuable and very important statistics or data that we should be gathering. And looking at it and we're into the weeds on this I realize that, but I just don't want to be the committee member that says yes or no without some type of explanation. And looking at this division, when I first think about division of statistics and data gathering or whatever else. I don't feel that the way that it's set up now it's equitable, or it's inclusionary as far as everything that we're looking to find and we've passed a lot of bills here in committee whatever time that we do, we talk about the importance of gathering the data reporting back to both the House and Senate judiciary a certain point in times whatever else. So, when I think of the division of statistics and data gathering that's just what I think of and all we seem to be focused on one specific group of individuals that we're going to be gathering is that on. And I think that whether we're looking at, you know, the LGBT community which we talked about in the bill that we passed, as far as reporting back we've talked about even the adoption proceeding and so forth. So, and then we talk about, well, we may have five people but a year and a half that or maybe down to two or three people that's not going to happen. So, what I'd like to see us do is build on this, and if we call it a division of statistics and data or whatever else and we start with one particular group of individuals to gather that I don't have a problem with that because all the data statistics I think are very important information that Vermonters need to have. So I don't want to start a whole division, because and I'll tell you quite honestly what brought me to this was one. Representative Christie to send, because I was very confused with all the different groups that we had after gathering this information that we already have access to. One thing I noticed is right below the division, there was a secondary division that's going to be started up going, that's not the direction I want to go with, I want to go with one division. And that division is responsible for gathering all of the information that we're going to need is wrong and I've heard, well we're going to start someplace and I agree with that we do. But we need division is in its entirety to be equitable and inclusive of all that data statistics that we're looking for. And I don't believe that in this particular case, do the fact that can we say and we'll get a lot of this information come in presently and we do and I think most members on this board will say that we do. So I'm not sure just, we can continue to support this division continually down the road unless we start bringing all those other entities for the data from these groups that we're looking for into the phone service. So, I had to kind of get out there as to. We need this. It's important. And if we're going to start with a particular group. That's that's fine. But it's a division of statistics and data gathering and we get it from all important entities after that we need to gather that information so we make it a better Vermont. Welcome for this this seems to be kind of singular in my mind here. This is how I look at it and I want to support this. I think we're going to look outside the box a little bit here and I don't mean to start stirring it all up starting ground zero it's not what I'm saying. I think we can get down just not sure how to do it in the direction that we're going present. So I just I just had to get that off my chest books. Thank you. So, I mean I guess I just it's a question for for Ken as much as anything for going back and I know kind of you said that they're already doing this and then I want to understand precisely what you mean by the this that that is already being done, because maybe it's a higher level thing I really I'm just I'm trying to understand that. The office. The office has already been created three or four years ago. With the hiring of, of Susana, right. Yeah, yeah, since then it is grown to where we're the governor. It's expanded that to three positions. Right. Correct. We have, we have filled two of the three, we're having a hard time filling the third one. Correct. I think that's my understanding. Okay. We have a huge problem huge. If you go back with the outdated computer systems we have the lack of the lack of workforce we have I mean the computer systems are what outdated 3040 years to go and load up more even though you're going to be out source this up which makes it even more expensive is is the information is going to be collected somewhere more agency of digital services. They're still going to collect it on the servers on whatever you call the computers, and they're going to be outsourced to this other private entity. We're still going to be loaded up. We're going to have need resources that we don't have to do this. And I, again, I can't say it enough. I want to see this be successful, but going about it this way when we already have when the administration already has something that is is pretty well set up from point A to point B to where we can focus on even more things to include moving forward. I just, I can't agree to this. The two positions that were I don't know if the governor hired him or not that worked for Susanne. What other dude, anybody know what their duties are that they would be, or any other duties along these lines as far as collecting information. I know that they're not quite an information one I believe is really focusing on education issues. And I don't recall what the second maybe coach knows. The two positions basically the way that they're designed is the person that's on staff now is the outreach and education person. The next person that comes on board, we're hoping is going to be a policy analyst level individual. So that still puts us in a position when we look at the office and the reason that those two boxes when when I shared that first map were in green was because it's work. It's not about creating, you know, like new entities. The big box that we're working on right now is the division of racial justice statistics. Nobody is collecting that specific data in one place. Historically, if you look at the statute that enabled the position of the office of racial equity, it said specifically that that office will do additional data collection across all departments of state government. That was the enabling statute. We never got there. And we're not there yet. The goal would be that some of that work will be able to be done through this entity as well as the specific data that's going to be collected while doing the other work. And so so that gets back to what Bob was talking about. Having it housed, you know, now if and I'll give you the specific example, if if this division was housed anywhere other than the office that deals with racial equity, you could see where there'd be even more question of how do we get very specific data to that, you know, that office, you know. So so in essence, it was it was very fortuitous in our DAP in its recommendation to lean towards going to the office of racial equity to house the division because that's a it's a more reasonable expectation that that office would have a broad enough scope to understand it because that's the way it was designed in statute, and we didn't even fund that to start right. You know we asked one person to do all of that work, knowing full well that it was going to take, you know, a full office to do that work. So the information we're going to collect. Say, you know, if this bill goes through is the information we're going to use to determine policy. Eventually, you know, all all data should give us that information, we would hold.  Anyway, we have a position that's not filled. Which is going to be a policy expert. So if we put a policy expert into place before we have all this information. They are going to have the information they need to forward correct policy. Well remember remember Tom you know it's a. We're talking about it like a parallel universe here. The policy work that a policy person would be doing is a lot of what director Davis is doing now, and it would be shared. I can give you an example, when the Human Rights Commission went from one executive director to a policy education and research person, it then enabled that agency to be in more places than one at the same time. And because they're directing that same level of work. And that's what that office has needed. Is that level of support to the legislature. Just on the wall, I don't see a lot of policy directed at the, you know, the issues we're talking about not that they're not important issues. I was wondering if there's enough policy work to to sustain two people right now. I believe after we gather all this information there's going to be but I question whether there's a there's enough work there now they could certainly split the policy work. Well, well let's let's let's put it, let's do all do respect, you know, Tom. Think about, that's just our committee wall. Remember to disaggregate all of the bills that have equity and inclusion related to them that director Davis has gone to across all 13 committees, you know, of the house alone. Forget about the Senate, you know, even you know I can't say forget about that they are our sister body but anyways, think about how many times, you know they're called upon in the total number of bills that address equity and inclusion. And that is where the some game comes up. I'll go ahead. My folks that justice read investment to certainly data collection. The equity is our justice system. Very much a concern of the council state governments, and is guiding is guiding you know some of our work in this committee as well as other committees. Okay, we are overdue for our break, we have testimony, it does sound like we need to do very least a little bit more work with Tucker, right. Yeah, and yeah, and then we're waiting for the new fiscal fiscal note. So, that's the time to keep thinking and talking about. Okay. Okay. Well, thank you everybody let's let's take about 10 minute break, and we're going to move on to the adoption. Oh Eric, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say I sent Tucker an email as well and tried to summarize some of the discussion and I'm not sure if he's available right now but I reached out to him. Great. Okay, I appreciate that. Yep.


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