My name is Lou Versho. I'm the environment director at C4 and I'm talking today with Steve Leonard, who's our senior policy analyst here today. Steve, I'd like to just get your feelings as to where you think the negotiations are likely to go. What are the key issues we're likely to see in Lima? Yeah, so the climate negotiations at the moment in terms of a new climate agreement are occurring under a process which is the ad hoc working group on the Durban platform, which was a process that was established in 2011. At this stage of the process, it's looking at five elements within the context of climate, so mitigation, adaptation and means of implementation, which includes capacity building, technology transfer and finance. And in terms of moving into Lima, at the moment, there are a couple of outstanding issues. So one which I think is particularly interesting is around adaptation and moving in the direction of whether or not to establish a global goal for adaptation. And so there's a lot of discussion about how to go about measuring adaptation and so discussion moving in the direction of metrics to measure adaptation, which I find to be quite an interesting shift. We're seeing a significant change in terms of the balance between the discussion concerning adaptation and mitigation. The negotiations and the outcomes to date have been very mitigation focused, as you'd be aware. And so I think that we can possibly expect the new agreement to be more balanced in that context. There's a significant emphasis on scaling up finance. And so the recent IPCC report, which is emphasising the urgency of addressing climate, is important. So that's resonating through the negotiations in terms of finance, which is linked to the Green Climate Fund. Another important issue which is expected in terms of an outcome in Lima is the intended nationally determined contributions, which is known in terms of an acronym as INDCs. Now, the discussion here is the scope of the contributions, whether that will be only limited to mitigation or whether or not it will be a broader scope and include adaptation and means of implementation, so technology transfer, finance and capacity building. In terms of forests and land use, land use is expected to be included in INDCs and there's been some interventions to say that Red Plus will also be expected to be included as an INDC. So we're moving in the direction at the moment to determine the scope of the information and the type of information that will be submitted as a part of country contributions in early 2015. So Lima will provide a decision which will set out the scope of the information, whether or not it's to be limited to mitigation or whether or not it's to be inclusive of the other areas of adaptation and means of implementation. And the other side of the negotiations concerns the pre-2020 mitigation potential and so there's been a lot of work on going in terms of technical expert meetings to establish where there is pre-2020 mitigation potential that can be scaled up between now and 2020 and there's been technical expert meetings held on land use and more recently on non-CO2 emissions and with some focus on the agriculture sector and so there'll be an agreement that will come out of Lima there which is also within the same platform, the ADP and so it's intended to then provide guidance and direction to other institutions within the UNFCC, so the Green Climate Fund or the Adaptation Fund or the Technology Institutions to assist them in terms of prioritizing the direction and the provision of finance. Great. And for forests and land use in general, where do you see things going? There still needs to be some discussions around safeguards, right? Where do you see agriculture going in these negotiations and is it coming out only in adaptation or is it actually getting into the mitigation side of the discussion? Yeah, so just starting off with agriculture, it's currently being discussed within the sub-stop, the subsidiary body on scientific and technical advice which is an advisory body to the COP so the Conference of Parties or the broader UNFCC framework and the agriculture discussion is currently being dealt with within the context of adaptation mostly. There is some consideration of agriculture in a mitigation context that came through very clearly in the recent technical expert meeting which covered non-CO2 emissions so looking at the near-term potential in terms of mitigation from the agriculture sector. There's a roadmap that's been agreed as part of the sub-stop process which takes the agriculture adaptation discussion through to 2016. And where do you see the discussion on safeguards going? We hear a lot of talk that there's a need for additional guidance in the safeguards. Is there anything coming out of the preliminary discussions leading into the dilemma? Yeah, the safeguards discussion is interesting. It's been going on for a number of years so when guidance was originally developed there were a lot of criticisms as to whether or not that guidance was adequate and the reason that it was agreed on at that point in time was because there wasn't enough in terms of demonstration activities and implementation of RED Plus and reducing emissions from the forest sector on the ground. So a lot of countries wanted to wait until there had been more experience and more lessons learned in terms of the demonstration activities to then feed into the discussion. Some are still saying that that is needed so I have heard very recently that there's a potential for this discussion to even continue to go on which may well be the case which isn't such a bad thing because the safeguards information system is intended to be something that's evolving and built on over time in any event. So there's been a submissions process that was undertaken and a number of parties and non-governmental organisations have made submissions and the main concerns that are coming out is whether or not further guidance concerning safeguards will be an extra burden that will slow the process down so you have some countries that are further ahead in terms of implementation of RED Plus than others but there's a counter-argument to that when it comes to the capacity of least developed countries in the context of whether or not there's adequate guidance to enable them to be able to be putting safeguards systems in place and reporting on safeguards. So I think that we'll find these discussions will play out quite significantly in Lima with if any further guidance is to come out it will be guidance that attempts to take that balance into consideration. CSOs and Indigenous peoples are making a very strong argument in terms of enhancing emphasis on participation in the implementation of safeguards and reporting of safeguards and so that will also be a significant component in the negotiations in Lima as well. So Lou, I'd be interested to know in the negotiations in Bonn in June this year there was some concerns that were raised by Brazil in terms of the importance of finalising the discussion concerning metrics and the linkage between metrics and the new climate agreement and I'd be interested to know from you where that discussion is headed at the moment in the context of the current metrics issues within the Kyoto Protocol and also the importance of non-CO2 emissions in the pre-2020 term. Well the metrics issue is an interesting one, it's a very technical one and there was a lot of new information that came out of the IPCC report in the Fifth Assessment Report with new what we call global warming potential values which fix of relative value between the different greenhouse gases relative to carbon dioxide. So it allows countries to make trade-offs or decisions about how they're going to deal with the different greenhouse gases and the mix of greenhouse gases in their policies. So for example if you're looking at agricultural emissions and you want to deal with methane you want to try to relate that to carbon dioxide the global warming potential is one metric that you can use to relate methane in terms of carbon dioxide so many tons of reductions of methane is equivalent to so many tons of reduction of carbon dioxide. Nitrous oxide is also another one that's important in agriculture. The F gases in industry are also important. All of these have different warming potentials and the discussion around the metrics is because none of the metrics are perfect. So the global warming potentials shift over to the time frame that you look at so methane for example has a very high global warming potential if you're looking at 20 years and a very low global warming potential if you're looking over 100 years because it only lives in the atmosphere for about 12 years. So if you're looking at 20 years most of what's been emitted today is already out of the atmosphere. So that has a very variable warming potential. Nitrous oxide is very long and the gas it stays in the atmosphere for over 100 years so it has a very constant value as you look across time or time scales. But the global warming potential is not perfect because although it's called warming potential it's actually an energy measure. It's not a temperature measure and there are temperature measures. So if we're trying to hit a goal of 2 degrees C is the maximum warming we want to achieve the global warming potential isn't the best measure to use. It would be the global temperature factor that would be a better one to use. So these are some of the things that they're wrestling with. There's also trade-offs. The time frame that you use and the values you assign to these have a lot of uncertainty around them. So how do you factor that uncertainty into regulations for example? So if you want to regulate emissions from airlines and you want to factor some of these things into the design and operation of your airlines, your planes, how do you take this uncertainty into account? So it has a lot of implications between country negotiations for trade-offs, for implementation, just what the metrics are. And certain metrics have advantages to certain countries and disadvantages to other countries. Certain countries like New Zealand for example, 50% of their greenhouse gas emissions come from methane from livestock.  How does that relate to something that another country is going to achieve if China is reducing its CO2 emissions from coal burning for example? How do those two countries understand what each one of them is contributing and negotiate between them? Who's going to do what and who's going to make what sort of contribution? So it's very technical but it's central to what they're doing. The good news is that the ultimate metric that's used has very little impact on the overall cost of emissions reductions. But it does have an impact on who pays the cost and that's where the rub really is. If I could just ask you another question. In terms of non-CO2 emissions there was a technical expert meeting that was held most recently in Bonn as part of the negotiations in October. And one of the interesting policy approaches that came out of that discussion in terms of pre-2020 near-term mitigation potential was the landscapes approach, specifically identified and it would be interesting to know how a landscapes approach is relevant to non-CO2 emissions and near-term mitigation potential in a pre-2020 context. The landscape approach is extremely important. The carbon emissions in landscapes only happens associated with land use change. But everything else is really the non-CO2 gases. So if you're fertilizing crops, it's nitrous oxide that's coming out. If you're managing soil, it's nitrous oxide that you're producing. If you're managing manure, it's nitrous oxide and methane that you're producing. And if you have livestock in there, it's enteric fermentation, the fermentation inside the animal that's producing the methane. So if you want to manage these landscapes and take a landscape approach to it, you have to deal with all these gases because at least half of what's coming out of those landscapes is typically not CO2 and these other gases. So I'd like to ask you, Steve, a bit about what's happening with finance and the Green Climate Fund. We have a major commitment by the U.S. government of $3 billion. We know that the target is to get $10 billion in the door by Lima and then scale that up. Where is that going? Are we on track to meet the targets that people are setting? And what can we expect over the next couple of years as we move towards Paris and beyond? The Green Climate Fund has been an interesting process to be following. Over the first couple of years, there were a lot of criticisms and a lot of people were commenting to me that they weren't expecting that it was going to be something that managed to get off the ground and the Green Climate Fund board has worked significantly hard to get all of the pieces in place to be able to have a framework that's suitable to potential donors. A resource mobilisation process was put in place around midway through this year where the Fund started to engage with donors and hold a series of meetings to inform potential donors on the framework and to look at obtaining potential pledges. There's been a number of pledges that have been made over the last couple of months. One of the most recent ones, as you correctly point out, is the $3 billion pledge by the US. Japan have also recently announced a $1.5 billion pledge and there are some reports at the moment about a potential pledge from Canada and potentially a pledge from the UK. I think that the Green Climate Fund will make it to the $10 billion mark or not it makes it beyond that and to the higher end of the desires there in terms of $15 billion then that remains to be seen. Perhaps not, but even so $10 billion in 2014 questions remain as to when that finance will be delivered, over what period of time that finance will be delivered bearing in mind also the ultimate goal there of the Green Climate Fund has pledged previously to reach $100 billion and be mobilising $100 billion in finance for climate adaptation and mitigation per year. By 2020 we still do seem quite a long way off in that context. There was a meeting recently in Barbados I believe that had some interesting outcomes for finance for red. Can you tell me a bit about what that was? Barbados meeting was interesting because it was the first meeting that was being held by the Green Climate Fund after it had put what it refers to as its eight pillars in place to be in a position to begin to mobilise finance and it was also its first meeting after a number of pledges had come in so the board had a much better idea as to what it was that the countries were seeking in terms of the fund itself. One of the interesting outcomes from Barbados was a decision concerning red plus and a results based payments framework and so the Green Climate Fund out of all of the areas of mitigation and adaptation red plus seems to be one which is being singled out for further development now there are some discussions concerning whether or not there should be a specific red plus window and perhaps as things develop within the Green Climate Fund there might be more understanding as to the specific requirements for red plus so two that come to mind immediately where the Green Climate Fund does need to do some further work are around alignment with the red plus Cancun safeguards and the Green Climate Fund safeguards which are inconsistent with one another so there does need to be a certain level of harmonisation between those two different approaches and also in terms of non-carbon benefits there's currently no clarity within the Green Climate Fund as to how the fund will incentivise non-carbon benefits in the context of red plus and so that then takes us in the direction of discussions concerning mitigation, adaptation, linkages to non-carbon benefits and these types of more technical and somewhat political discussions.


The other day I did an exam for myself when I felt the lump and I still haven't gone to the doctor because I'm making those excuses. It wasn't pretty for me to be in my 30s to find out that I have menopause. When I think about birth control, I thought about the PIL, IUD, the Nuvo ring. In my own mind, I never thought about condoms as birth control for women. Sex. That's cardio. Do you get a partner to last 30 minutes? I'm going to talk about menopause because frankly it's something that most people aren't talking about at all. My hormones were raging and I just felt completely out of balance. But now that I've gone through menopause, finally my body's at peace. I was younger and still to this day. I try and power through. I think women do that a lot rather than we listen to our bodies, but we're trained to tolerate so much pain, whether it's through our hormones or menstrual cycles.  I'll get through this. Oh, it's a headache. And we don't necessarily always listen to the signs that we need to be listening to.  Oh, I'm tough. I'm a woman. I can survive that. I really feel that I'm a patient. So for the people in my generation who one day is A and the next day you don't know your parent, what can you do to help us with those stressful moments? What could I have done to be prepared because I'm so not prepared and I'm really stressed. And it's really cool. Welcome to Every Way Woman. There are some major changes happening in the talk show world. Viewers, the audience, the real women and men out there are trusting us.  Especially in a pre-menopausal woman, depends on where they are. If they're in their young, early 20s, likely even after chemotherapy, their fertility will be okay, but you can never guarantee. And I think people are, you know, there's this misconception about radiation therapy and even radiation that you get from a mammogram. Imagine a patient here. If she were to lose some of the skin along that decision line, usually what we do is we remove that skin and just close again the same way we removed the nipple in the beginning. It depends on how extensive it is, but the bottom line is most people do really well. Most people aren't going to lose skin. But we sometimes make the men really happy because the wife at 45 or 50, the rest have lost their shape, do a lump-up to a big roast breast, and they can keep their tops on. We're trying to give or create segments where people know what questions to ask. What's your question? Why isn't there more information on the severe side effects of cancer treatment? Many of us in the medical oncology community know that in the last 15 years, we've seen a big breakthrough in nausea, very potent nausea medicines, that enable us to really control nausea almost 100%. Is there a better time for me to check my breasts? Good point. Men's trading women should do it five to 10 days after the onset of their period. That's when the breast is least bumpy. Most men's trading women do it a few days before their period when they're very tender and then they're full of lumps. It's almost impossible at that time. Once you know the normal and you do it regularly and you have this mental image of the breast, if something grows in there, you would detect a subtle change before I could. Let's just talk about the thing we most of us women don't love, our menstrual cycles. For example, many of the women in our residency, we just in medical school, we stopped having periods because we were so stressed. So we were all on the same. So who did you guys go see? We all know once we hit 20, we should start. Let's just make a one inch circle.  Change the pressure a little bit and notice that it's bumpy. I noticed a change in my breast shape. I was getting ready for work one morning and I felt a lump in my left breast. I was shopping at Nordstrom's and I found a lump. I found the lump in my breast. Well, it went through your head though.  To be 100% honest, initially I denied it. I found our segments really useful for me being single, somebody that never really looked into going to the doctor when I was younger.


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You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. I am doing well. Thank you. How are you? So I am originally from Connecticut. I was born in Bridgeport, Connecticut. I had kind of a rough, didn't have too much childhood. I was actually on my own since I was a teenager. I used to do a lot of skateboarding and I ended up in California and Vegas and Florida just kind of traveling around skateboarding, doing whatever jobs I can and ended up meeting a girl, had kids at a young age. I decided I was an entrepreneur, started my first business when I was 23 with a tax return of a few thousand dollars. I just bootstrapped it and turned that into a multi-million dollar company and then I ended up taking some of that money after that industry kind of fizzled out. There was oil and gas stuff. It was kind of up and down. So I ended up taking some of my profits and I invested it into a phone case company and this company, we had a lot of attention and we decided that we needed some kind of technology that would actually automatically remotely monitor our comments and then maybe remove them, notify us that it's happened with keywords. So we just kind of morphed into technology. I was never really a tech guy, but it just turned into that. So we actually got the attention of Kim Kardashian by way of our Sensegram app. We found out she was using it and she reached out to us through one of her friends, Jonathan Chebonne, however you say his name, and she wanted to partner because she wanted to be able to remove her comments. This was her thing. This is what she wanted to do. She was having a lot of hate from a lot of different people at that time. On Instagram and you couldn't remove comments at that time. That's what our Sensegram app did was it removed comments automatically. So she wanted to partner.  She wanted to start an anti-cyberbullying app or anti-cyberbullying foundation, and use our app and our name, our logo as the thing. Were you a millionaire at this time? Sorry? Were you a millionaire at this time? I was. And you came from the streets with nothing? Mm-hmm. So see when, what is, did you leave school? I did actually. I ended up finishing school, but I ended up dropping out. And how was it coming from the broken home also with no guidance, nobody to show you how to love? You know, it was tough. You know, my dad got sick. He was diagnosed with MS when he was in his 30s.  So like, I didn't really have a father figure, you know, that could be like in my life. And he ended up dying at a young age.  So where did you get that entrepreneurship skills then? Is that always something that you didn't want to fail? Like where you just wanted to succeed? Or did you have no option to succeed because you never had anything anyway? You know, it was, I didn't really understand that I had the ability at first. I worked for my wife at the Times family, just doing like construction work. They had a record service and stuff. So I was basically just working and doing whatever I could and helping them run their companies. And I just fell into an opportunity when there was a problem with one of those companies that I was working with.  So a body of mine, which was also my brother-in-law at the time, we were kind of screwed. We thought we were screwed. We thought we were going to have to just go find a job, you know, start something new from scratch. You know, we just had, we just both had kids, new families. So it was really a scary time. What we did was we actually went to the company that we were working for, like that we were contracted to. And we said, hey, we're kind of screwed. You guys like the work that we do. There's not money, you know, people that do what we were doing at the time. It was kind of a niche thing. So we just asked them, we said, hey, if we get the insurance and we get everything straight that we need, could we just take over and do this with our company? Would you guarantee to use us so we don't waste our money? You know, we needed to make sure. They were like, yeah, do it. So we never looked back. We did everything we needed to do. We did all the legwork. And so at that moment, when I realized like, hey, I could put this together with this and that together with that, you know, make sure all the, you know, eyes are dotted and, you know, tees are crossed and like everything is good and I work for myself now. I never have to work for somebody else. You know, that was very appealing to me. Did you read any books or was it just through hard work out there and learning from the trade? I actually did, you know, if I don't understand something, it drives me crazy. So, you know, I, this was when the internet was just getting going, you know, so I read a lot of books, did a lot of research and, you know, took classes if I needed to.  Like this really means something to me. So what was it like when you started making money, you started becoming your own boss, you were married, was life going good? It was great. Yeah. Because you see my genuine guy, you see him decent guy. There's a lot of assholes out there. Unless everybody's out for themselves, including me. I'm out for my family. I work hard to provide for them. If people need to help along the way and I feel as if they've deserved it or they earned it or they're good people, where some people need a kickstart or I needed it myself when I was trying and raising the bar, but you do get people who genuinely help you and you see my guy who's worked hard and try to create a better life for himself. So see when everything's going good, how much did you invest into this app? Well, there was a multitude of things. It was the cases. It was all the businesses that tied into what we were doing at the time. We had a patent filed on our Centrogram process to remove. We basically filed a provisional patent for the process of removing comments automatically from social media feeds. That's in the books. I have that filed before Instagram. I've ever even added it to their settings as a filter. So that's part of why I'm so amped up and upset about all this is because I wasted so much money on the patent process. Our U.S. patent process is supposed to back people up and let us as Americans, like in other countries, I'm sure, their patent process, it's like there for a reason to protect people and their ideas. What was that patent process? It was the process of removing comments from social media feed automatically. Any social media? Because I know Twitter doesn't remove its comments even to this day with it worked on Twitter. So, yes, it was developing for Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram. We were locking it down for all. We actually hired the patent attorney, the firm that got the mortgage process patented. Something to do with mortgage. It was a really bad-ass patent firm. They were going to be protecting our process. So that way, when anybody like Instagram decided to add that filter, if they ever were, which they didn't want to, that's part of my story, they never wanted to. And then after the whole Kardashian thing, that's when they decided to do it. Who on Instagram at that time? Because Zuckerberg got it now? It was actually a private company. The CEO at the time was Kevin Systrom. What year was this? This was 2014-15. Instagram was just kind of popping off back then? Yeah, it was the most engaging platform at the time, but it was just popping off. Yeah, because when did Instagram come? 2010? 2011? Something like that. Yeah, because Facebook was the one. Instagram with the photos and people posting just one photo. It started blowing up about that. I can remember it at that stage. So you've then come up with this idea, a new app to censor comments. How much was it you put into this app and who else was your partners? I put in over a million dollars on all of it. It was basically everything liquid that I had saved that I was able to between the legal and just everything, the initial investments. My partners, one was my cousin and then another Narayan. I was the only one that invested in any capital. Why? I was the only one that had it. Why bring them on board? My cousin Dan made the connection between me and Narayan on the phone case deal. I would never have met Narayan and he's like, hey, let's do something together. Because I was hungry looking to do something else because of that business that we had that was wildly successful. We had to pivot and do something else. My partner at that time, which was also my brother-in-law, he just didn't do anything else. He just set on his money and he went with a different strategy. I've always been the business development, marketing guy, let's go guy. So I had to do something else or I was going to go crazy. So I got into the phone case deal. Rasktika? I feel like I am. The older I get, a little more controlled risk. But back then, when I felt like I was unstoppable, I was this bomb that was skating around. I've worked since I was 15 so I didn't consider myself a bomb as far as that goes but I didn't have any money. So I just got to my head a little bit, I'd say, back in my late 20s and early 30s.    Life is life, man. It's ups and downs. It happens to everyone. So you've invested a million. You brought people in, so you brought your cousin in because he put you on to, because did you feel as if you were to my favor? He brought skills and we all had our own skill sets. But there's no risk factor for them because they'll not put up any capital? Correct. So what's the process to building something like this? For building an app like this? So that's where Narayan had a big part in the tech stuff. He was like the engineer and you basically have to build your user interface the way it's all going to look. So we have to tackle that one part and then you have to have the back end and deal with... So he was able to do a lot of our coding, some of our coding and user interface stuff, most of the user interface in-house. So we did all that ourselves as a company. But then we had to subcontract out certain things with other people and it's basically just project management. So when did the wheels start turning to again pushing it to then become something? How long does it take? Quick, because we started advertising the app and its capabilities. We put it on the app store. We ended up with a few thousand users just like that. How much was that? It was free at first. Is that what normally happens with apps? Then it was. Now there's different strategies but we were in the freemium age back then to where it was free but then we were going to add... But if you want to do this, it's a dollar. But if you want to do this, it's $1.99. You have to do something to pay for it. Advertising once you have so much users and then you can charge to not have the advertising. A lot of apps now, they're free. Then after 6 months, maybe 4.99 and then after a couple years of 18.99. It had to get created. Yeah, listen, it's business as well. A lot of dating apps used to be free and then you're in. But if you want anybody to see you. Yeah, you have to pay. Listen, it's business, I understand it. So then it starts making money at any time? No, not the app. Never really actually made money. Just collected users and then we were blocked, essentially. So you're collecting data like emails. You're collecting all that because that's important now. You're not making money. You've invested a full million into it? About one and three-quarter, I was all in. Yeah, so like a little over one and a half. I don't want to say a few million, but it definitely wasn't. So when you're doing that, how long were you expecting to then turn money back? Was that a three-year plan, a five-year plan? We were still figuring that out. Are we just becoming cocky to it? All other businesses will be successful. You thought this would be the same? I was actually in the process of trying to find a CEO. I'm capable of putting these things together. But I know I'm not a tech CEO. I can get to a certain point and then we need to start bringing in more help. This episode is sponsored by Fireaway Pizza. The fastest-growing pizza company in the UK with over 150 stores. With their fresh quality ingredients and unique pizzas, they will have you coming back for more. Use code james20 for 20% off. That's james20 for 20% off. We were needing to raise funds for the development of the rest of the platforms. I just got it started, but I was ready to and we were working on bringing more people in. I was going to take less percent and basically less than people buy in so we could take it to the next stage. That's what one of the family members of the Kardashian-Jenner family, we were basically offered a family friend was going to help fund it. That's how they were getting part of their percentage. You've then created that you put the money in it. You've got a little team behind you. Kim Kardashian and Kim Kardashian found out through Instagram. Through Instagram. I think her friend Jonathan, Chabon Foodgod, he maybe told her because he was using the app. Somehow she found out and had him reach out to us to talk. But the first time he reached out through direct messages, he was like, hey, Kim wants control of your company. It was just something from left field or just like, wait, this is really awesome that this big family, these super popular people are even using our app and are interested in talking, but pump breaks, let's chill. He was kind of like a lot. We just stopped. We didn't go any further with Jonathan. But then there must have been some news or something like her media team released that her Hollywood, Kim Kardashian Hollywood game, the big game that she had was making like $200 million a year. So a couple weeks after the first direct message from Jonathan, he reached back out and said, hey, Kim's game is doing major money. Let's talk again. Let's do this right. So he set it up for her to call me the next day. So then she ended up calling and that's when we found out that her family, her and her family were using the app and they really wanted to get behind it. So how many followers did she have back then, 10 years ago? I think it was like less than 100 million. Even then it's still one post with that to ensure that to be the most used apps on the planet. You're then talking hundreds of millions, people say apps for websites now for like a say hundreds of millions, some even billions. We were reluctant honestly before the phone call. Before she ended up calling, we were kind of reluctant, not only because of the way Jonathan came off in the beginning, but because they're, you know, what are they known for? You know what I mean? We were trying to go on an anti-cyber bullying campaign and you know, really, yes, it's usable for businesses for high profile people to monitor and remove unwanted comments, but like let's face it, we realized how big this was and how many people it could actually help in like the parental control, like you know, helping kids from getting bullied and like that was something that we realized was pretty big and we're like, is Kim Kardashian the right person to work with on this? You know, we had some real conversations about this, but then when she called me, so to explain why I recorded the conversation, it was excitement. In no way did we ever think we were going to have to use any recordings to like defend ourselves or to like write something. So my kids, my teenagers, they were stoked. Like they couldn't be in the room and like talking and stuff, but they were really excited, you know. So my cousin pulled out his phone and just decided to record the conversation just like for the sake of like hearing us talk and the voices, you know what I mean. But it turned out it was good we did. What was spoke about in that conversation?  Any doubt that I had, I was like wait a minute, this actually could work out like this could be really good because it could be their time to do something great and give back and then it could be us as part of that. Like hey, like this is what the Kardashians are known for now. Like not a sex tape, not like all this other shit, like this is positive, like this could be good, let's do this together and that's kind of What was your gut feeling soon?  So you were all in, you'd feel a bit about it. And why not? Like I say, it's one of the most powerful families on the planet. I don't know them personally, don't really, obviously there's shows through the years and they're everywhere so they always pop up somewhere, Kanye West plastic surgery, news shows, drama somewhere, but I don't really look into it too much, I'm too busy for they're forced on us almost.   We set it up, her team basically was in contact with us to go out to California to have our in-person meeting and kind of nail down the percentages and that kind of stuff. See for the app, how smooth was it to use? It was actually pretty user-friendly to, you know, these days it looks you know, ancient compared to user interface like, you know, things have changed a lot but you could actually see screenshots of it online and how it worked and the Oklahoma City news channel did like a little piece on it back then with me and my cousin and they kind of showed there's a video out there too, it shows you know, how it all works, it was pretty simple. And what happens then, if you have got this app, say you've invested millions you've brought big partners in but what if these apps then decide to bring in, they can delete their own comments how would that have worked, would that have destroyed the app completely? No, I think what would have ultimately happened was we would have had multiple different social media platforms trying to buy us and control the patent. Yeah, so someone become a popular app, they love it and buy us out basically. Yeah, I mean because it would have just been like one of those things like that they would have had, you know, somebody would had to buy it, you know, in order for it to work with everything else like I could see, you know, Facebook you know, Meta or whatever it would have been like you know, because not only did they intend to use something like that so they could never have patent protection or whatever the legalities are on that because we had filed it already, so like I just think we were in a position to and that's why I feel like there's so much corruption involved in this situation because like there's so many answers that need, there's so many questions that need answered basically. So seeing you what happens as well if how do you need permission from the other apps to be deleting stuff off their app? So you have to work with their API in order to every one of these platforms they have like a certain set of rules that you have to work within in order to like tap into their app and do stuff like that so like Instagram was well aware that we were doing what we were doing but they at that time they were against using their platform like that to to let people censor what they choose they did it a whole different way that's part of what the conversation we recorded with Kardashian was she was discussing with Kevin Sistrom, the CEO at that time like basically why they won't just do what we're doing and they're like well no we don't do it that way, we do it another way we don't believe in a one size fits all approach to removing comments, we have a whole department that basically moderates things the way that they moderate things but that obviously changed in the couple years after we filed our patent and Kim interfered and Kevin Sistrom is no longer the CEO of Instagram it's now owned by Facebook and it's just a completely different animal and somehow on that change up they started using what we created and we never made a dollar off of it so like I have a lot of shit to figure out a lot like you see you don't know who's internet, you don't know who's fuck job you don't know if they've seen this that becoming potentially one of the biggest and they've said okay just sync them cars can be running on water they're not wanting that, anybody that comes up with those ideas, I think a man actually did have a car running on water buying heart attack they don't want, everything energy is free, everything is free but yet the world is controlled, we know this people are not stupid anymore, they're not believing what they're seeing on the news and the newspapers, some people are because it's all they know, they're sitting in front of that shit every day but it's just you open your eyes to it it seems not to be a conspiracy theory but if you've got something there and it's worth a lot you're just as sad as it is, we're nobodies, we're peasants these people big corporations, big families who control everything, they can destroy you in a fucking heartbeat, if they don't rinse you dry where you've no money left, they'll fucking discredit you where nobody then listens to you but like I say things are changing the tide is turning and this is what it's all about so did you ever have that one on one did you ever have that meeting with Kim? we did and what was that like meeting huh? it wasn't bad they gave us Fiji water we had our me, my partner Ryan Dan, my wife at the time and there, it was Chris Kim one of their attorneys and two of their assistants and we essentially had our deal for Censogram which was going to be 60% 40% we were going to have controlling part because it was ours and they were going to get their percent for providing funding which Chris had said they had a family friend that was going to do that then we decided we had pitched the Komoji thing which this is what everybody seems so more obsessed about than even Censogram, Komoji was just a we were already working we had a couple other projects our app social company it was like an app machine we created multiple different apps and we had a Wall Street emoji app and like a sexy emoji app and my partner Ryan's like well why don't we just like put these together and pitch this to her and let it be her name that way we can get this out there too so we pitched Komoji it was the Ryan's the one we came up with that like that was our trademark that we didn't trademark yet that's a big point people are arguing about right now so Komoji was going to be 50-50 because it was her name but it was all of our ideas and a lot of our original artwork she was really excited about Komoji she was more excited about that once that came out than anything else and so we talked about trademarking that but somehow that didn't get done by us because we had our attorney doing all of our legal stuff like our patents and trademarks and everything and when it came to that particular trademark we just since Chris was telling us they're netting contracts and they're gonna they're gonna fast track things and we're a team and other people are gonna do stuff like on our behalf as well so after that meeting and everything went well we had our agreements Kim called us to just say hey everything's great you know this was like a week and a half later everything's great we're going through with all the projects just like we discussed she was just kind of just checking everything off the list like everything's good and then at the end of that conversation she said oh by the way guys did you trademark Kimoji yet because if not we're just gonna go ahead and do that through our team and take care of all that it'll be cheaper we'll just cover it we're like no we actually didn't trademark that one it's the only one we didn't do because we didn't want to do it with her name and our company name we wanted to do it through our new entity together we didn't think there'd be any way some random mark Kimoji nobody knew what the hell was even going on well she ended up trademarking it herself without us on it right after she hung up that that first phone call and then five minutes later she called us back and acted outraged and asked why my partner Narayan sent a bragging text message to a friend of his that got back to Kim and she now wanted to kill the deal who was the friend just a it was a girl that he was kind of bragging to and there was a NDA saying to say there's no discussion at the time that was sent to her no so how can they still use that then because they lied to us and they made it seem like we broke some kind of I like we like we violated you know so there was fraud and lies that made us seem and there's lawyers threatened us like we had like broke the law like we had like we were screwed like they basically I put the letter up in my solar media somewhere saying that they're gonna basically sue me and I had everything to lose for five million dollars if we didn't hand them over everything that they wanted essentially for her to be able to do her own comment control app if she wanted even though we had the patent and for her to have the right to Komoji or else basically I'm sued for five million dollars because I lose everything because of what my partner did and come to find out it was done before the NDA was signed and it was done intentionally to interfere and there was proof of that so like once we found out about all this and I found out like over the next few years I was just like seeing red I was just in another world just with like depression and anger who meant to send a message your guy or the woman I was it was my partner sent a message to his one of his old partners a girl that he was kind of into deliberately deliberately but it was a private message saying hey Kim Kardashian yeah but did he send it so it could go back to her it it was basically that's what happened was that person then used it against Narayan sent it to Jonathan and said hey look this guy's bragging about this and then she used that against us to kill the deal and steal the IP but what was the big deal if you were bragging about it anyway that's what I'm thinking you know I don't understand what I don't it was the lamest excuse to kill the deal and steal a trademark ever you know she could have just been like hey this guy's bragging I don't really like the vibe let's not do this but I want the trademark so I'm going to give you this much money or I'm going to sue you for this they could have did something so like it could have went so different why did you not start feeding then because I thought we were wrong because Narayan wasn't forthcoming about like exactly what happened it literally took me a while to figure out what happened and when the guy that actually sent the message the friend of this friend of Narayan's he reached out and it was like hey they actually asked me to do this intentionally so that way they can mess your deal up like the guy has proof that he sent the message to Jonathan that got back to Kim so like that's like so Jonathan told him to send that text basically when Jonathan caught wind of that happening he knew he can get that to Kim why the fuck did your guy send the text who is he trust me dude I think the same thing like who is he he's the partner Narayan so Narayan's the guy who sent the text he's the co-inventor do you have a question that he could have been paid to send that like a payoff I don't think so because he was trying to throw everybody under the bus besides his own self but did someone outside of your group tell him to send that so it could go back to her so she could then have legal rights to take everything from him I don't believe so I would question that man it just seems a bit extreme for someone sending a text and then it getting back to Kim Kardashian it seems as if that's been set up because then they've got levelies to play with they've got something then to play with and then go well the contract is void because you've done this give me all this or we're going to sue you just through a text message somebody in your teams for me personally looking from outside is involved whether they've been paid off and says look if you send that message we'll get it back to us we then own all rights to it because they'll be broken so it just seems listen it's messy all angles so he's send a text the text goes back to her she made a phone call to you guys that day but then five minutes later started screaming and shouting the first time she called she already knew she was going to end the deal but she wanted to make sure her trademark was secure at first and so the deal was 60-40 for censorship one and 50-50 for the Kimoji and what should any of these rough know these apps Kimoji there's no telling they sent me an email saying that it didn't make any money yet Kanye West wrapped about it making a million a minute you know they still sell stuff with the trademark on it to this day so they're basically lying to me saying that they didn't make any money they also offered me six figures plus a percentage of this trademark that didn't make any money so I'm just really confused how much did they offer six figures I don't want to give the exact amount because I don't even know if that could give me trouble or not but it was a joke compared to what I had in everything so how long did it take for her to use that app once she hung up that phone Kimoji they were already working on it like immediately because you just know like but proof wise until they've launched it on Apple store like you know I know for a fact it was like a year you know it took them like a year maybe a little over to get it developed through the company that they wanted to get it developed through and then and this is your idea so what happens after the phone call when she says the NDA has been broken she actually didn't even say that what she did was she was like who's Narayan or who's Ryan this was the stupidest thing because let me backtrack in the beginning when we first were emailing with them about like making arrangements to go out to California like after the phone call her team and everybody was emailing each other they're like I introduced Narayan with his nickname that nobody knew other than us was Ryan well let me basically they knew Ryan was his nickname before we ever even emailed anything and the reason we know that was because when we went back through all of the documents all of the emails when I said this is Narayan this is our tech partner our creative partner and you know whatever I ended up saying she replied saying hi Ryan nice to meet you and I introduced him as Narayan so the reason why this is important was because that text message that I was talking about the bragging text message that had Ryan at the top because that's what she all this lady Alice that the one that sent the message that was jealous of our deal with Kim because she was obsessed with Kim she had him saved as Ryan she always called him Ryan never called him the Ryan so I was thinking in our lawyer at the time was thinking the only way they know he's Ryan is because they had that text message the screenshot before we ever even talked before we ever went out there so they essentially what I feel like now majority of our legal team at the time thought was we were set up from the beginning knowing that because when Jonathan wanted the partner and we said no essentially the first time when they were being aggressive that's when Ryan said that message he said your dream girl wanted to partner with us we said no then that week and a half later we ended up talking and we ended up saying yes so that message was before any ADA before we ever met she knew Ryan was Narayan and that was his nickname and she gave herself up and we think that's why we ended up getting a settlement offer because they kind of caught us on some shit here but then I basically told them FU on the small settlement offer and we filed a lawsuit did you sign anything?     I did what happens if you accepted it then that's it over no more fighting?


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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Motor City, Michigan. We're live from theCUBE and my name is Savannah Peterson. Join this afternoon with my co-host, John Furrier. John, how you doing? Doing great. This next segment is going to be awesome about application modernization, scaling clusters. This is what's going to power the next generation software revolution. It's going to be fun. You know, it's kind of been a theme of our day today is scale, and when we think about the complex orchestration platform that is Kubernetes, everyone wants to scale faster, quicker, more efficiently, and our guests are here to tell us all about that. Please welcome Tushar and Andy. Thank you so much for being here with us. You were on the Red Hat OpenShift team, yeah? I suspect most of our audience is familiar, but just in case, let's give them a quick one-liner pitch so everyone's on the same page. Tell us about OpenShift. I'll take that one. OpenShift is our Kubernetes platform. It's our Kubernetes distribution. You can consume it as a self-managed platform, or you can consume it as a managed service on public clouds, and so we just call it all OpenShift. So it's basically Kubernetes, but with a CNCF ecosystem around it to make things more easier, so maybe there's two lines. So what does being at KubeCon mean for you? How does it feel to be here? What's your initial takes, exciting? I'm having a fantastic time. I haven't been to a KubeCon since San Diego, so it's great to be back in person and see old friends, make new friends, have hallway conversations. It's great as an engineer trying to work in this ecosystem, just being able to be in the same place with these folks. And you got to ask, before we came on camera, you're like, this is my sixth KubeCon. We were like, we're a seven, you know, but that's a lot of KubeCons. It is, yes. So what, take that through where we are now, compare and contrast your first KubeCon, just scope it out. What's the magnitude of change if you had to put a pin on that, because there's a lot of new people coming in. They might not have seen where it's come from. And how we got here is maybe not how we're going to get to the next level. I've seen it grow tremendously since the first one I went to, which I think was Austin several years ago. And what's great is seeing lots of new people interested in contributing and also seeing end users who are trying to figure out the best way to take advantage of this great ecosystem that we have. Awesome. And the project management side, you got the keys to the kingdom with Red Hat OpenShift, which has been successful. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Thank you for that grow. I'm really positioned right on the wave. It's going great. What's the update on the product? Kind of in a good position right now. Yeah. No, we're feeling good about it. It's all about our customers, obviously. The fact that we have thousands of customers using OpenShift as their cloud native platform or the container platform, we're very excited. The great thing about them is that, I mean, you can go to like OpenShift Commons is kind of a user group that we run on the first day. They come Tuesday, we run. I mean, you should see the number of just case studies that our customers went through there, you know? And it is fantastic to see that. I mean, it's across so many different industries, across so many different use cases, which is very exciting. One of the things we've been reporting here in the queue obviously in before, but here more important is just that, if you take digital transformation to its conclusion, the IT department and developers, they're not a department to serve the business. They are the business. That means that the developers are deciding things and running the business through their code. Yeah. Okay, if that takes place, you would have scale. And we also said on ManyCube, certainly at Red Hat Summit and other ones, the clouds are distributed to computer. It's distributed to computing. So you guys are focusing on this project, Andy, that you're working on, KCP. Yes. Which is, I won't, platform, Kubernetes platform. For control planes. Control planes. Take us through what's the focus on. Why is that important? And why does that relate to the mission of developers being in charge and large scale? Sure. So a lot of times when people are interested in developing on Kubernetes, running workloads, they need a cluster, of course. And those are not cheap. It takes time. It takes money. It takes resources to get them. And so we're trying to make that faster and easier for end users and everybody involved. So with KCP, we've been able to take what looks like one normal Kubernetes and partition it. And so everybody gets a slice of it. You're an administrator in your little slice and you don't have to ask for permission to install new APIs and they don't conflict with anybody else's APIs. So we're really just trying to make it super fast and make it super flexible so everybody is their own admin. So the developer basically looks at it as a resource blob. They can do whatever they want, but it's shared and provisioned with one ops. It's like they have their own cluster, but you don't have to go through the process of actually provisioning a full cluster. And what's the alternative? What's the benefit? And what was the alternative to this? So the alternative, you spin up a full cluster, which maybe that's three control plane nodes. You've got multiple workers.  Or maybe you take it- How much time does that take? Just ballpark it. Anywhere from five minutes to an hour. You can use cloud services, GKE, EKS, and so on. You're banging away, you're configuring. And those are faster. But it's still like you still have to wait for that to happen. And it costs money to do all of that too. Absolutely, and it's complex. Why do something that's been done if there's a tool that can get you a couple of steps down the path, which makes a ton of sense. Something that we think a lot when we're talking about scale. You mentioned earlier to Shar when we were chatting before the cams were live. Scale means a lot of different things. Can you dig in there a little bit? Yeah, I mean, so when we talk about scale, we're talking about, from a user perspective, we are talking about, you know, there are more users. There are more applications. There are more workloads. There are more services being run on Kubernetes now, right? So an open shift. So that's one dimension of the scale. The other dimension of the scale is, how do you manage all the underlying infrastructure? The clusters, the namespaces, and all the observability data, et cetera. So that's at least two levels of scale. And then obviously there's a third level of scale, which is, you know, there is scale across, not just different clouds, but also from cloud to the edge. So there is that dimension of scale. So there are several dimensions of this scale. And the one that, again, we are focused on here really is about, you know, the first one that I talked about is a user, and I say user, it could be a developer, it could be an application architect, or it could be an application owner who wants to develop Kubernetes applications for Kubernetes, and wants to publish those APIs, if you will, and make it discoverable, and then somebody consumes it. So that's the scale we are talking about here. What are some of the enterprise, you guys have a lot of customers, we've talked to you guys before, many, many times on other subjects. Red Hat, I mean, you guys have all the customers. Enterprise, they've been there, done that, and you know, they're savvy, but the cloud is a whole nother ball game. What are they thinking about? What's the psychology of the customer right now? Because now they have a lot of choices, okay, we get it, we're going to replat from refactor apps, we'll keep some legacy on-premises for whatever reason, but cloud pretty much is going to be the game. What's the mindset right now of the customer base? Where are they in their, the psychology, not the executive, but more of the operators or the developers? Yeah, so I mean, first of all, different customers are at different levels of maturity, I would say, and they're all on a journey, how I like to describe it. And in this journey, I mean, I see a customers who are really tip of the spear, they have containerized everything, they're cloud native, they use best of tools, I mean, complete automation, quick deployment of applications and lifecycle of applications, et cetera. So that's kind of one end of the spectrum. We advance then. They advance, you know, and I don't have any specific numbers here, but I'd say there are quite a few of them and we see that. And then there is kind of the middle who are, I would say, who are familiar with containers, they know what app modernization, what a cloud native application means, they might have tried a few, so they are in the journey, they are kind of, they want to get there, they have some other kind of other issues, organizational or talent and so on and so forth, kinds of issues to get there. And then there are definitely the quote of what I would call the laggard still, and there's a lot of them. But I think, you know, COVID has certainly accelerated a lot of that, I hear that and there is definitely, you know, more, the psychology is definitely more towards what I would say public cloud. But I think where we are early, also in the other trend that I see is kind of, okay, public cloud, great, right? So people are going there, but then there is the so-called edge also. That is for various regions, you've got to have a kind of a regional presence, a edge presence and that's kind of the next kind of thing taking off here and we can talk more about it. Let's talk about that a little bit because as you know, as we know, we're very excited about edge here at theCUBE. What types of trends are you seeing as that space emerges a little bit more firmly? Yeah, so, I mean, so when we talk about edge, you're talking about, you could talk about edge as a retail, I mean, locations, right? There could be so many things, edges everywhere. Everywhere, right? It's all around us, quite literally. Exactly, it's in space, too. I mean, in fact, you mentioned space, I was going to kind of end it with that. I love space, I love this world. We have actually Kubernetes and OpenShift running in space, believe it or not, you know? So that's the edge, right? So we have industrial edge, we have telco edge, we have 5G, then we have automotive edge now and retail edge and more, right? So in space, you know, so it's very exciting there. So the reason I, tying back to that question that you asked earlier is that, that's where customers are. Cloud is one thing, but now they've got to also think about how do I, whatever I do in the cloud, how do I bring it to the edge? Because that's where my end users are, my customers are and my data is, right? So that's the- And I think Kubernetes has brought that attention to the laggards. We had the Lockheed Martin on yesterday, which is an incredible, real example of Kubernetes at the edge. It's just an incredible story. We covered it, also wrote a story about it. So compelling, because it makes it real. And Kubernetes is real. So then the question is, developer productivity. Okay, things are starting to settle in. We've got KCP, scaling clusters, things are happening. What about the tool chains and how do I develop? Now I got scale of development, more code coming in. And we're speculating that in the future, there's so much code in open source that no one has to write code anymore. At some point, it's like this gluing things together. So the developers need to be productive. How are we going to scale the developer equation and eliminate the complexity of tool chains and environments? WebAssembly super hyped up at this show. I don't know why, but sounds good. No one can tell me why, but I can kind of connect the dots, but this is a big thing. Yeah, and it's fitting that you ask about no code. So we've been working with our friends at Crossplane and have integrated with KCP the ability to no code, take a whole bunch of configuration and say, I want a database. I want to be a provider of databases.  They don't want to have to write code to create databases. So I can just take my configuration and make it available to them and through some super cool, new, easy to use tools that we have, as a developer, you can just say, please give me a database and you don't have to write any code. I don't have to write any code to maintain that database. I'm actually using community tooling out there to get that spun up. So there's a lot of opportunities out there. So that's easy of use, Chuck. What about a large enterprise that's got multiple tool chains and you start having security issues? Is that disrupt the tool chain capability? Like there's always now weird examples emerging, not weird, but like real plumbing challenges. How do you guys see that evolving with Red Hat? Yeah, I mean talking about that, right? The software, secure software supply chain is a huge concern for everyone after especially some of the things that have happened in the past few years. Massive team here at the show and just within the community. We're all a little more aware, I think, even than we were before. Exactly, before, yeah. And I think the, so to step back, I mean, from, so it's not just even about, you know, runtime vulnerability scanning. That's important, but that's not enough, right? So we are talking about, okay, how did that container or how did that workload get there? What is that workload? What's the provenance of this workload? How did it get created? What is in it, you know? And what are, how do I make sure that there are no unsafe attack vectors there? And so that's the software supply chain and where Red Hat is very heavily invested in. As you know, with REL, we kind of have roots in secure operating system. And REL, one of the reasons why REL, which is the foundation of everything we do at Red Hat, is because of security. So an open shift has always been secured out of the box with things like SCC rollback access control, which we added very early in the product. And now if you kind of bring that forward, you know, now we are talking about the complete software supply chain security. And this is really about how from the moment the developer writes code and checks it into a Git repository, from there on, how do you build it? How do you secure it at each step of the process? How do you sign it? And we are investing and contributing to the community with things like Cosine and Six Store, which is a Six Store project. And so that secures the supply chain and then you can use things like Argo CD. And then finally we can do it, deploy it onto the cluster itself. And then we have things like ACS, which can do vulnerability scanning, which is a container security platform. I want to thank you guys for coming on. I know Savannah's probably got a last question, but my last question is, did you guys each take a minute to answer why has Kubernetes been so successful today? What was the magic of Kubernetes that made it successful? Was it because no one forced it? Was it lightweight? Was it good timing? Right place at the right time? Community, what's the main reason that Kubernetes is enabling all this shift and goodness that's coming together kind of de facto, unifies people, the stacks, almost a middleware market is coming around again, I have to use that term, middleware. But it feels like it's just about to explode. Why is it so successful? I think, I mean, the shortest answer I can give you there really is, as you heard the term, I think Satya Nadella from Microsoft has used it. I don't know if he was the original person who coined it, but every company wants to be a software company or is a software company now. And that means that they want to develop stuff fast. They want to develop stuff at scale and develop in a cloud native way, right? With the cloud. So that's, and Kubernetes came at the right time to address the cloud problem, especially across not just one public cloud or two public clouds, but across a whole bunch of public clouds and infrastructure and what we call the hybrid clouds. I think the Kubernetes is really exploded because of hybrid cloud, the need for hybrid cloud in my opinion. What's your take on the magic of Kubernetes? What made it, what's making it so successful? I would agree also that it came about at the right time, but I would add that it has great extensibility and as developers, we take advantage of that every single day. And I think that the patterns that we use for developing are very consistent. And I think that consistency that came with Kubernetes, just you have so many people who are familiar with it. And so they can follow the same patterns, implement things similarly, and it's just a good fit for the way that we want to get our software out there and have things operate. Keep it simple, stupid, almost, is that acronym, but the consistency and the de facto alignment behind it just created a community. So then the question is, are the developers now setting the standards? That seems like that's the new way, right?  So, I mean, hybrid, you're touching everything at scale and you also have mini shift as well, right? Which is taking a super macro. Micro shift. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. It is a micro shift. That is fantastic. There isn't a base you don't cover. You've spoken a lot about community in both of you have and serving the community as well as your engagement with them. From, I mean, given that you're both leaders, stepping back, how community first is Red Hat and OpenShift as an organization when it comes to building the next products and developing? I'll take, and then I'm sure Andy is actually the community, so I'm sure he'll want to add a lot of it. But I mean, right from the start we have roots in open source. I'll keep it, you know, and certainly with Kubernetes, we were one of the original contributors to Kubernetes other than Google. So in some ways, we think about as co-creators of Kubernetes. And since then, we have added a lot of things in conjunction with it. I talked about like SCC for secure, which has become part security right now, which the community, we added things like our back and other, what we thought were enterprise features needed because we actually wanted to build a product out of it and sell it to customers who are our customers for enterprises. So we have worked with the community. Sometimes we have been ahead of the community and we have convinced the community. Sometimes the community has been ahead of us for other reasons. So it's been a great collaboration which is I think the right thing to do. But Andy, as I said in the community. Well said to Shar, well said. Yes, I agree with all of that. I spend most of my days thinking about how to interact with the community and engage with them. So the work that we're doing on KCP, we want it to be a community project and we want to involve as many people as we can. So it is a heavy focus for me and my team and yeah, we do it all the time. How's it going? How's the project going? Do you feel good about it? I do. It is, it started as an experiment set of prototypes and has grown leaps and bounds from its roots and it's fantastic. Control planes are hot, data planes, control planes. And I love it. Making things work together, horizontally scalable. It sounds like cloud native. Yeah, I mean, just to add to it, there are a couple of talks that on KCP at KubeCon that our colleague, Stefan Skimanski, has done and I would urge people who are listening if they have just Google it, if you will, and you'll get them and those are really awesome talks to get more about it. Oh yeah, and you can tell on GitHub that KCP really is a community project and how many people are participating. It's always fun to watch the action live. To Shar, Andy, thank you so much for being here with us. John, wonderful questions this afternoon and thank all of you for tuning in and listening to us here on the Kube Live from Detroit. I'm Savannah Peterson. Look forward to seeing you again very soon.


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internal revenue service IRS tax news extension filers irs.gov irs.gov irs.gov is the source for summertime tax help agency encourages people to file soon breaking down that headline the irs is basically saying stop calling us just use our website we have neither the capacity nor the desire to talk to you although we did add two brand new bot options to our telephone answering machine also you best get your dang tax returns filed soon if you know what's best for you that's right I'm looking at you Tommy anyways first an attempt at a joke there must be a lot of scientists out there the ones that actually do the grunt work of science oh I'm the one that does the grunt was things like perform a empirical test after empirical test to see how the world really works possibly trying to understand something as complicated as the human genome complicated which complicated which contains so much data it would be like trying to make a detailed map of the multiverse who get fed up with political scientists by political scientists I don't mean philosophers of politics but rather scientists who are really politicians political scientists I know terms are getting confusing these days they must get particularly angry with the scientists who are really politicians political scientists that are primarily self-motivated because that means they're not actually scientifically motivated or motivated by seeking truth I care about the truth scientists are usually a calm and reserved bunch but can you imagine if a real scientists finally got mad at a political scientist like dr. Fauci doctor we believe that the purpose of science is to serve mankind you however seem to regard science as some kind of dodge or hustle your theories are the worst kind of popular tribe your methods are sloppy and your conclusions are highly questionable you are a pool of scientists but what about my gain of function labs in China the Chinese are really treating me well over there and I feel like we're totally in the clear now with that whole COVID thing it being taken care of by my brilliant wet market bat eating story will no longer continue any funding of any kind for your group's activity oh but the communists love us I are 2022-137 July 13th 2022 Washington with millions of people still waiting to file their tax returns procrastinators just kidding the IRS reminds them to file as soon as possible and take advantage of special tools available on the irs.gov irs.gov irs.gov v for victory over tax questions because you're not going to get much victory on the phone they can help them file summer may be a busy time for many but it's a great time to start tax planning so that's the first thing people usually think with summertime comes around I'm going to have a little bit more time I could do some tax planning whether you still need to file a 2021 tax return or start planning for next year's tax season so even if you're up to date on stuff you already filed your tax return on time and you're not on extension of course you still could do some tax planning in summertime that's what it's for that's why we have a summer so the IRS website is the fastest and most convenient way to get tax related information and help so they're basically of course saying here don't call us use the website we have nor the time nor the capacity to talk to people on the phones although we did improve our answering machine as we talked about earlier with a couple bot options the online tools are available anytime so taxpayers can use them at their convenience so 24 7 website it's amazing how does the iris even do that their website's up 24 7 wow so here are some important reasons for taxpayers to visit irs.gov this summer get tax information 24 7 their website never crashes like for the most part taxpayers can use irs.gov to view the filing page there's a link to that here to get information on most federal income tax topics access the interactive tax assistance tool there's a link to that here for answers to many tax law questions signed into their individual irs online account there's a link to that here to view their balance on tax records manage communication preferences make payments and more find the most up-to-date information about their tax refunds using the where's my refund tool and obviously if you call the irs looking for some of these things like the refund for example they're probably just going to be using the same tool to look it up so you might as well be using the website for us for some of this general kind of question stuff taxpayers can check the status of their refund 24 hours after the irs acknowledges receipt of an e-filed return taxpayers can also download the official irs mobile app irs to go which is clearly the super cool way to interact with the irs you could be you know out and about on a roller coaster or something and then pay your tax bill or something i don't have it yet because i'm not super cool but uh i'm going to look into that app the app on my phone so check their refund status make payments find free tax preparation assistance sign up for helpful tax tips and more just right from the irs to go app adjust withholding now to avoid tax surprises next year so make sure you got your withholdings lined up because you know the irs is wheeled in those sticks penalties and interest to hit you with if you don't have metaphorically speaking if you don't pay the right way summer is a great time for taxpayers to check their withholding to avoid a tax surprise next filing season life events like marriage divorce having a child or change in income can affect taxes so any of these big life choices marriage divorce having a child you should of course do the tax planning first and if the tax isn't a favorable uh condition then move forward with like getting married or divorcing or having a child or something but don't just kidding you probably don't want to do it just like that but you do want to have a consideration that they will have a significant tax implication and make sure that you are prepared for that as you make your choices most likely not completely dependent on the tax code so the irs tax withholding estimator there's a link to that here on irs.gov helps employees assess their income tax credits adjustments and deductions and determine whether they need to change their withholding so you can check your withholdings online pretty much everybody wants to kind of do this these days because the last few years have been quite turbulent in terms of the taxes because usually we'd like kind of a static tax code because it's already too complex for us to actually figure out what the taxes will be therefore we have to estimate the taxes that's why we overshoot aiming for a refund uh to get back and now it's even more turbulent because we went through the covid thing people are switching up jobs people are probably taking more than one job in a year for example multiple people might be working and going in and out of jobs and households you might be picking up more gig work we also have families that aren't like single family earning families anymore you got multiple earning families and so on and so forth plus the tax code is changing a lot over the last few years especially for low to moderate income individuals and therefore it's really hard to get the withholdings right so you got to have basically a software to project the withholdings in terms of how much you're going to need to withhold that's what this to tax withholding estimator is getting more and more uh to be basically software that you could use to project your withholdings helping you to fill out your w fours and or make quarterly payments so if a change is recommended the estimator will provide instructions to update their withholding with their employer either online or by submitting a new form w four employee withholding allowance certificate so that's the certificate you give to the employer to tell them that you want to up the withholding don't expect to get uh tax advice from your employer even though they're the ones taking your money because they're not really the ones taking your money the what well they are but they're the ones that are required to take your money by the government and and they don't want to give tax advice because they don't want to get sued so they just want you to file the w four and tell them what to do so they can do it and keep everybody happy including the government and you try not to get sued from either direction so file electronically tax payers who request an extension uh to october 17th or miss the april 18th deadline there's a link to that here can still prepare and file and e file returns for free with irs free files so this is becoming more and more mandatory again as the tax code gets more complicated as the tax code has been changing a lot from the past few years hopefully it'll get back to a static nature so we can plan more better and not have this kind of uncertainty with the laws and whatnot but uh you could still file for free using the free file software the software is becoming more and more useful and necessary to file the tax return so if your income is below a certain threshold you can get access to that if you wait till after the extension filing deadline basically i'm imagining the iris has these tax software companies with their arms behind their back and they're torturing them to offer the software for free due to all the fact that they got all these changes that are happening and low to moderate income people need access to software just to do their tax returns but they can only keep the software providers in that like choke hold until the extension filing deadline and then you'll have to pay for the software if you want the software after that point so take advantage of the software when it's available if that would be applicable to you the irs accepts electronically filed returns 24 7 it's amazing they're they're machine over there doesn't sleep it's like 24 7 you can file the tax return there's just like the mailbox you could put the thing in the mail like at any time and the mailbox doesn't get tired you could open like it opens its mouth like even at midnight but anyway there's no reason to wait until october 17th uh if filers have all the information and documentation they need to file an accurate tax return they can get their refund faster by choosing direct deposit so direct deposit get the refund faster taxpayers who missed the april 18th deadline and oh should file and pay electronically as soon as possible to reduce penalties and interest remember there's a difference between the filing deadline and the payment deadline if you owe money if you owe taxes the irs although you went on extension will still be charging you penalties and interest on the amount that you owe therefore it would behoove you yes behoove you could hoove to be i don't well that's a weird word but it would behoove you to file it sooner or at least pay the taxes that you owe sooner so the iris doesn't have to get their sticks out and start whacking you in the head with penalties in it metaphorically speaking taxpayers can make payments or set up payment plans online find a taxpayer assistance center so the taxpayer assistance center locator tool there's a link to that here has a new look and feel that's great featuring a dynamic map directions button and two tabs for inputting search criteria whew fancieness it's important to remember that taxpayer assistance centers operate by appointment only so you got to make an appointment if you want to talk to the taxpayer assistance center taxpayers can make an appointment by calling the number for the office they want to visit read information in other languages so you can interact with the irs in other languages although no matter what language you're reading in it's still legalese and therefore you won't understand a thing but in any case many irs websites there's a link to that here are now available in spanish vietnamese russian korean hatin krayolian chinese some of the multilingual resources there's a link to that here include taxpayer bill of rights e-file sources and many tax forms and publications access to the alternative media center alternative media it sounds that's that sounds like it's like some kind of uh not not good thing it's why we've got alternative media here instead of anyway at the online alternative media center otherwise known as the amc the amp and taxpayers will find a variety of accessible products to help with the use of assistive technology such as green reading software refreshable braille displays and screen magnifying software so those could be useful obviously for particular situations the braille and the magnification software so these products include tax forms instructions and publications that can be downloaded or viewed online as section 508 compliant pdfs html e braille text and large print so please note that every product is not available in all formats for example tax forms are not available as html to request paper copies of tax forms and instructions or publications and braille or large print taxpayers can call the tax form telephone number at<PHONE_NUMBER> there'll be a link to this if you want to go back and check it out here taxpayers can complete form 9 000 alternative media preference there's a link to that here to choose to receive the irs tax notices in braille large print audio or electronic formats this includes notices about additional taxes or penalties owed taxpayers can include the complete form with their tax return mail it as a stand alone form to the irs or they can call<PHONE_NUMBER> there'll be a link to this so you can check out all those links and look at the phone numbers i won't read them five times at this time uh keep current with irs tax tips taxpayers can subscribe to irs tax tips here so that's we we're looking at tax tips and well this is tax news you get you can subscribe to tax news too if you want to get easy to read articles sent directly to their email from the irs tax tips are brief to the point and cover various topics tax topics like year-round tax planning and understanding taxpayer rights you've got a right to pay your dang taxes there's links to that here more helpful links there's links below we got the gig economy tax center so if you work in the gig economy the iris likes to remind you that uh you still owe taxes child independent care credit and about form w2 there's links to all that stuff there's links to all the other stuff i said there was a link to and there'll be a link to this in the description


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