Calls Toolbox and Travis from Artists and Design Concepts, and they're gonna help me create a realistic free 4G-O. Earlier, they cut out a shape for me. I don't know what it is, Ledo. MDF, re-quartered. It's a round-sound MDF. And so now to create the rock edge. These guys are experts in creating realistic rock edges for their countertops and et cetera. We're using Bondo. So now they're gonna do that for this G-O. All right, so for this round, I'm gonna mix a nice hefty amount out of here, okay? I'm just gonna tilt it over. Just gonna start scooping. Maybe one more, and that should be able to. So Bondo's a two-part situation? Two-part. Yes, two-part. It's very much like resin, but it comes with the putty, and that's got the... You always want the different color putty. I don't like gray putty, because it's hard to tell when you have the right amount of mixture. I like the pink or red. You got blue here. You want some blue, baby. So that changes the color of the... It's just a color indicator that lets you know that it's thoroughly mixed. When you got, yeah, and you have the right amount. If you want it to dry fast, you put more hardener in it, the blue in this case. A little bit on the right now? Yes, and if you want it to, you want to have more time. Like if you're out in the sun, you want to have less, you want it more gray. If you are in zores and it's a cooler day, you want more of the hardener, more blue. This, just enough to see a good view. Yeah, you can see it. You're out the putty. I would guess this, that's so cool. Now, it'll get... I mean, if you want it to dry fast, you'll put more, it'll get darker. I'm just going to start slapping it on, because you really have a short setting. This is not going to give us a lot of time. And if you're in the hotter temperatures, where it's over 100 degrees, you basically lost a minute and a half of working time on that stuff. I'll follow him along and we're going to, we're going to slide it over the top a little bit because of the geode has the, has the lip on the top a little bit and we'll get that in a minute. Soon as we get past all of this. This stuff's going to stop and he's running, he's running out. It can get warm if it's in the hotter temperature. Yeah. Because there is a similar thermogenic reaction such as you would get with a two-part resin. A resin, yeah. So back to it. It's not going to get as hot as a resin, but it'll start to get really set up and touch it. It'll get warm, yeah. You'll feel it. It'll start to kind of rubberize. Yeah. And then it'll go in. Then it's already left with. That's it. And it's, you got to mix a new batch. All right. Now we'll start. All right. Going a little bit on the top. She want to kind of like little highs and lows. Some spots will be a little bit further. Some spots will be less. So we're just kind of spreading it out, slapping it, getting some texture on that. Slapping the booth. Now as it starts to kind of set up a little bit, the texturing will really kind of hold the form that you're giving it. You want this to look natural. So we're just swiping it on. And we're going to come back over and sand some spots, of course. And just do it. You just kind of knock some birds down, but we still want to give her some highs and lows. Yeah. You want highs and lows. Swiping. Swiping. Swiping. Swiping. We're going to do a little bit more. Okay. Okay. She wants to try a little bit. Looking at the photo, we're going by the photo she had of what she was doing or looking to do. So we have a little more on here. And we're going to come knock it down a little bit, but it's going to give, hopefully that texture across the top. Usually we just do the side. Do you have to have this in a certain thickness of a layer? Pretty good. Can you do it thicker or it's an error? You can do multiple applications. If you want a more textured look, you can do several applications. I didn't know if I like took this blob and put it on there, what it set for. Yes. It will set, but then you'll have to sand a big blob off, which we don't want to have to do. No sanding blob. We'll knock it down just a little bit, but we don't want to have a big blob. Should one wear a respirator? We'll look out for it. No, no, no. Not this. Well ventilated for this. It's not going to get any dust in you or our indoors. Our respirator would be an excellent idea. Yeah. If you're indoors without, we have proper ventilation. Not very good. No, for countertops, he always does two times. Only because on a countertop, I'll do two applications, only because the way I like it is I'll have that first layer out and I'll let it set up. And then as it starts to kind of rubberize a little bit, I'll kind of slide my hand over so it'll start kind of pulling that up. It'll look very textured like a real stone. And then I'll go over with the second application and all I'll be doing on that one is just slapping it, got some spikes out of it. After bringing it around, you can kind of see the texture. It's starting to rubberize a little bit. You check that side, Jeff, you can see the texture. So that'll give it some extra texture of blood on the dense places, I don't know. So I shouldn't worry about this. No, we're going to knock this down a little bit. We're going to sand that. That'll come right off. Actually, if you catch it in a couple of minutes when it rubberizes, you can scrape that off. You can cut this, I'll work it. And I'll cut it. Now you're not going to cut this because we want to take it. But if you're not, you can cut it with a draw on it, like it's done. Yeah, it's already rubberized, you can see it. Even that will take that long. So yeah, it's like you're racing the clock, diffusing a bomb. I did mix it a little bit. I make it a little bit harder. It wasn't even six minutes. Like it was, it was not even six minutes, maybe five. You got like a five. I mix it a little bit harder because I don't want to. Five minute working time. Like with the heat, you lose about a minute. It's a two minutes of working time. Yeah. I need no work with time. You don't put as much on it. Yeah. That's the blue stuff. So you won't make it. I'll be good enough for this. A lot of times you're dressed, you're not for a work. No, I'm not. But you need it in there because that stuff will stay. I just didn't know since you were talking about you like the red. Yeah, I use the red all the time. But this is a high bond. It's a really good bondo. So it just has a different color. I use a lot of regular automotive body color. I'm sorry Paul. So we generally let it set up for maybe 25 minutes to come to full hardness before you can start working it. With this piece, since it's kind of thin on the edges, I might consider it in a couple of minutes when I know it's hard, but not fully cured. I might go ahead and go with the second application. It gets more texture out of it. Normally when we're working a countertop or a table or something that we're doing a rockage, we're using a sanding grinding wheel to put some kind of divots in there to give it something to create a mechanical bond. So this first application will actually create an excellent mechanical bond whenever we go to put the second texture on. So we have to really give it some volume on the edges. How long should you wait between applications? We're gonna wait about one minute as soon as it's hard to wear.  Okay? Because you can kind of feel the pliability of it. Yeah. 15 minutes. Like maybe even 10, 10 minutes, it might be hard enough to do another application. And we can take and start cleaning this off while it's in a minute. You can still take your spreader and I'll cut and take it out on. Yeah. Because you can cut it now. I know you want some texture on a little bit there so we're gonna leave it a little bit. Babe. Babe. So I'm just taking the same. If you want more, we can put more on the second coat but we're just scraping it off. Before I can just put more on this, give you some little textures here. Clean it before it gets hard. That's when you can start cutting it and shaping it if you want it. Okay. Cut. Cut. Well, wait, I don't want to chip it off. I don't want to chip it off the bottom. Get that, babe. Yeah, chip it off the bottom. No, I don't want to chip it off the bottom yet because I don't want to knock it off the face. Check out some texture. Texture. Texture. Texture. All right, so we're back. In about 20 minutes. This stuff is set up pretty good. Very textured. So the second application is really textured. So there's not any reason to sand it or anything like that because the texture itself will provide an excellent mechanical bond. Gotcha. Long hand. It should be left and right. It's okay. You wear it out. This is a tie. We're gonna have to use every bit of it.  I'll edit it. Yeah, all right. Okay, get his gloves off. That's why it's so natural. It's doctors. Tool time Paul. Great. Whoa! We got a lot there, baby. We're going to bondo up this whole place. That's probably it. Oh good. We're ready to rock. Same... Literal. Same back channel. We're going to do the same thing. You're just kneading it in if you don't want to mix it up with a stick. Make sure you thoroughly mix it. You don't have streaks. Like that. You don't want no streaks. No highlights. Got it. No highlights. That's a high bond. It's a well, supposed to bond a little stronger. I've used regular bondo.  Yeah. Yeah. It gives you. Oh, a lot of work. Well, it depends on how much you put in it, huh, Harbin? Yeah, but even with the... All right. All right. Oh, sorry. It gives you longer work and time. I've never used this bondo. I've used... So it's almost a little more... I've used the gold, but I've never used it. So we'll build it up a little on the edges. Yeah. I'll come back over. You go ahead and hit that. We'll come back over the top. It's your size and then we'll roll the top after you. Give us some organic features, yeah? Yeah. Pretty good. Nice that you can kind of dictate how much... Rock face. Everything you get by how much... Face high. I think Paul's fired up. Just a bit. Good be. Rock face. All right, Paul. No more candy for you. So this part, I'm gonna leave a little love because we're just gonna... Yeah, we're just gonna... Yeah. A couple spots will go real... We all do. You have to listen. I'm good. So this bondo is usually a team sport. And I'll just give them some luck. Yep. Once he's done with that, we will start tax-turing a little bit and roll in the top. I think that's good. Yep. All right. I'm gonna just take this. You can continue to slap it. We can always... He... We want to roll it up. I'm gonna kind of create that little groove. Since it sets up pretty quickly, you could just work it until... Until you like it. Yeah, you can easily just... You can sand it all off if you don't like it. Start over. This finish, like it is, and would be a great service, says Rhonda. That's a little sharp, though. You said it would like it. A little bit sharp. But we won't. But we won't. But we won't. But we won't. We're Rhonda today. But we won't. We're gonna mention that we won't. We're Rhonda, but we're not. Today. We're less than we're Rhonda. Come on, Rhonda. These little coves and stuff. It's not gonna be like this whenever we're done. Because when we knock it down with some 120, it's gonna be a little more user-friendly that way. It's not gonna... These little rings. Yeah. We're just gonna kind of keep pushing it until all these... You can leave that. That's a good idea. We're gonna knock those to your ring. Yeah. From soft peaks to hard peaks. Yep. Yep. It's all ready. So now it's starting to set up. You can kind of see that real spiky texturing. See the texturing? That gives you more authentic rock edge. Gotcha. It's done. Probably a little more consistent with the geoglick that you're looking for the outside. Yep. So we'll let... I think that's pretty good. Yep. We'll let that set up. And then we'll come back and knock it down. I love it. The stuff is great. And don't mind not any like spikiness over here. That's all gonna be knocked down. You don't have to... I trust your process and your judgment. We're good. Right. It's great about them as I showed them a picture and they were like... It's duty. We got this stuff. We got this. See it's already... It came back down. It came back to the previous one. See it's white-toned it pretty good. I don't want to knock that because I don't want to chip it. Tether it down. See once it gets hard there's no just trimming it up. So you want to get this thing when it's still pliable. That's when you can cut it. And Travis cleaned it off on the front side while it was still pliable. A little bit malleable. So we're good. So what grid of sandpaper is? 120. 120. If you really want to do some serious knocking down.  And I use the Diablo net because you use the paper sand paper on the bondo with the textured edges. It'll tear up pretty good. So we're just gonna kind of make it a little flush on the bottom. That way it's able to hang without the high point. Alcoholic I'm safe. Panic in zero baby. We're kind of guessing. So we're just gonna trace and push it. Ready? Well you just fan it a little bit. I'll come back behind you. And I'll hit the high. Even the color of the bondo gives it some kind of awesome effects. That kind of looks pretty good. Right? It looks ultra legit. They're just dusting on different colors. That looks real. What's this? The clear? Chest number? That's the chest number and then I have the mat. Hey I tell you what. It ain't gonna move much. Ready? You can put on the lighter and then bag it. You can see the texture underneath it. So that's the antique set basically. Yeah. Yeah. So that's gonna pull the light color up and leave the dark color and those recesses. Right.  We can get a little say darker over that. You got some darker? Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of. Other side. Yeah. I want the brief ventral a little bit. There you go. There you go. Good. Let me think, Erica. You guys are killer. I think that's good. because we're gonna bring up the geode up to the edge. I'll probably put some crystals in some of these areas. Well no, thank you guys. How does it hang on a wall? Does it hang like here? You can hang it however you want to. You can rainbow it or you can half moon it. So like with this part being the bottom side? Look at the edges. Touch up the little burnouts on the corner machine. So for the gold, I can't remember what colors I used to spray this, but it was made out of Bondo first. I'm gonna be using black Montana in the color something since Jeff art it on it. I'm not sure if I can see the. Oh it says it's shake well, but it's gold from Montana. So before it gets started, anyone using spray paint or resin should wear a respirator and being a well ventilated space. These ones are actual quartz, but I'm gonna also include some glass as well for fillings. Thank you very much. So the first color is color obsession snow white. You can use any white. If you decide to use an acrylic or water-based paint to tint your resin, just make sure you adhere to the 10% or less rule. If you're using a paint that's made for resin then you have a lot more. Get on with it. I'm gonna start with my solid white. I'm sure I don't have any dusties on here. Also make sure your surface is level before you do this and make sure wherever it is that you're gonna leave it to set up overnight or however many whatever hours. It's also really level because even the slightest degree off will mess everything up because it's resin self-levels and it's just gonna go to the lowest point. And for geo do you want to keep your lines very consistent and where you need them now? Gina I was waiting for somebody to announce that. So the next thing I do because resin likes to it'll run off if it is over an eighth inch thick on the surface. So I always try to go through and kind of stretch my lines out just slightly at least in the beginning because it'll self level into those areas. And if you move your finger and it pulls some of one color through that's perfectly fine because if you think about it geo's aren't perfect. They're very random. There's really no wrong. And I think the longer or the harder you try to make it perfect the more it won't be what you're looking for in my opinion. I'll probably let it go all the way up to the edge. For this one I'm gonna really take my time pushing it to the edge because I want to keep that rock matte and not resin coated. Now I'm just gonna have to hear me out with these white lines I'm gonna put in. They're gonna settle and look really nice and organic. If I wait like another 30 minutes to pull this line it'll be a lot easier because this resin would have set up however it's okay. Anytime you put resin down you have to add heat. Next I'm gonna use liquid gold by Montana to add some gold linings. I do not carry this color. We can get it on Incon. It will be. In this month's kit we're going to be doing a geo not this geo but a geo that's similar to this but on a 12 inch real world. So for me I like to put some paint out and let it soak up. I'm just dripping this gold on this edge so that it makes sense with the line of gold I'm gonna add because it separates so fast I'm gonna not do my blend out with those edges right away. I'm just gonna go ahead and do all of my trippy work and then I'll go back. I'll have to stop just to know how I'm gonna do this. I'm just taking all the little ways that it is fluffed and like flowered out. I'm just making it not exactly a rounded look. I don't want it to look like little blooms. Well a geo wouldn't be a geo without some glitter glass. So we're gonna go ahead and add our last bit of heat. Thanks Sheila. Have a nice night. Sorry about your reception. The heat before the glitter glass because that may blow some of your glitter glass shards a boot. Again we're just popping bubbles. I'm not trying to create any kind of movement like in Tracy.  I'm just going to use my hand and sprinkle it on. They dropped a couple shards so I'm just sinking them. Did he step in it? No. Okay. So what you want to do I'm pretty sure you're gonna want to have this and I don't know if that's gonna work with this. I guess yeah that'll be fine. We're just gonna put this uh t-square. I got a t-square. We got a nice smooth edge right here that's straight. We know it's straight because Paul cut it. Paul from Tool Time Paul. Is it Tool Time Paul or Toolbox Paul? Paul's Toolbox. You're gonna have to lower that camera. That's on your right a little bit. How's that? Yeah. Perfect. All right. I got some grilly glue too just in case. Very heavy duty corrugated box. In fact if they don't bite ankles our cats do though. I marked those so I know where those are going. So we're going to mark those in the drills. Yep. And you use the t-square to just line it up. Got you. And that way if you if something is is off like this so you can't put a t-square in it's hard to make a straight line you know that's level. That way when you put the the wire through there you can balance it a lot easier than trying to balance two different hooks. Hooks. Yeah. So I'm going to take some of this E6000 and just put a little dab here. Where's the wire? Do you like to see it? Is that bad? No not at all. It's not all I'm trying to do that's fine. Where would wire be if I was to need a wire of wireness? If you string? That looks so good you guys. Whoever buys this it's a very very elegant piece. I think I did pretty good on putting those down there. All right so we got some wire. To pinch it and twist it and pop it off the dropper. Let's just take out a little bit too much because I don't know how much we're going to need. What do we want to do? We want to go through here. That would be good. We have two here. Does that seem like it's very a lot? Does it seem like it's very a lot? It's like bunched up right here. Let's try to okay there we go. Pick up that slack. So what I want to do I'm going to tear I want to twist this around here. There you go look at that. It's nice. Do you want me to hold a hook? See if it works. Hold it.


I'm back did you guys miss me so I love your hat that's great yeah it's you always have to acknowledge the other hat wearers in the room so in this case I'm not doing it like a community talk I'm doing I'm an employee talks I got like company branding and I have no idea what I'm talking about which is why I wrote this presentation so that I would know what I'm talking about so Geocat it's a spatial data does spatial data publication and discovery they really are passionate about the open source thing they've been doing open source for I don't know a long time they were on the scene before I was some 2002 2003 and they're based in Bennecombe they've got developers in the Netherlands Spain and Canada this is Bennecombe I'm sure it's really raining there right now for anyone who was in the previous talk this looks familiar I'm Jody Garnett I work on a number of different open source projects I've been doing open source geospatial since 2003 and I've really been happy to spend the vast majority of my career as a professional open source developer in order to give back I contribute to a number of software communities so I've just come off of two tours of being a director for the open source geospatial foundation I volunteer with the incubation committee to help developers and the marketing committee to help people find the developers and I also do a similar role in the Eclipse Foundation working to help onboard new projects there but nowhere on that previous slide did it say Geo Network and that's a trouble because GeoCats main bread and butter their expertise is in Geo Network so this is the presentation I wanted to read when I joined the company how do I make it go what does it actually do who's it for and what on earth are they using it for and then as an open source person who makes this thing what's the community like you know who's paying for it what kind of maturity are we looking at in the code base what makes it go like is it any good and you know what's its superpower or can I rewrite it in Python in an afternoon like I just you know those kind of questions so first impression it's got OSG in the corner so that's good vendor neutral foundation it's something weird to me out it says open source in the title that's usually a sign that something's really old and open source is a feature or it's a sign that it's like really commercial and this is the open source teaser and they're going to try and withhold functionality for you later so I'm like open source of the title something's wrong here whoop whoop and then the other thing I like looked at their logo and I'm like what's going on with the logo it like so it's wrapping the globe it's got a little metadata monk dude contemplating the magic of data or something and then this top part is a G but you have to like look at it sideways so I really expect everyone to turn their head sideways it'll be an awkward bonding moment hmm yeah so I wasn't able to get them to have a normal logo they love this thing okay installation and setup the quick quick start kind of assumed we had a geo network already okay before we start we it's a Java web app uses Java 8 use one from your Linux distribution or adopt JDK there's a couple installations an installer war source code and Docker but there's no guided on how to use that so as I made the presentation I documented it so I need I owe the community a pull request after this there's an amazing installer that is written in Java or something it eventually works yeah bring your own Tomcat your own application server and drop a war in another popular choice source code is an official distribution I always love that they're living up to open source in their title and they do have an official Docker image so in terms of setup starting with one of these local host things were presented with a nice blank screen we sign in using admin and admin and then we can start to get into this administration console you know I went through and I changed the title in the description so this would be my catalog and they've got a little example here where we can load in some sample data and that's enough for me to actually begin trying it out so the next part of the website talks about finding and getting information and then this was a surprise to me there's a map portal in it I in all my years being near and it in the community I didn't realize it actually had a map portal is there anyone here oh GC happy like do they really love their standards no one is willing to admit that one person have you heard of open web context wow I was sure even a standards person wouldn't have heard of that but we're not worthy so these people the the Geo Network folks actually use OWS contacts and standards for their maps so if you build a map here you can go and import it into a desktop client something else that supports OWS context I'm not sure what that is but still we can now start to search there's some kind of tag system called facets which we can use to quickly filter out the records and we can do a text search all good when we start to look at an individual record it's actually really detailed like this looks a lot more like a professional catalog system you know like in a library or something except that it's got a whole bunch of interesting things like maps and stuff lurking in the corners the records contain a lot of detail on the extent the source of data the pedigree of it and hopefully a download link or a link to an actual web service where you can grab the content and then finally there's an add to map button right on the records so we can add to a map and see the data in a little browser here and as we're going through and do that we can mix and match content we find and eventually like download it when we're done so that was kind of fun so out of the box for visitors Geo Network is providing a really nice professional catalog people use it to manage you know hundreds of thousands of records and visitors search and browse for content some of the content is stored directly in the catalog like you can store I don't know images and PDF reports and stuff and then some of it is cataloging external web services or external data sets that's out there and then Geo Network can also just be used as a map portal there to actually visualize the content okay breather here I don't I this this talks not as long which is good because I have less time any questions about this core capability no we're good okay now we're going to pretend we're data custodian and we've got lots of information we're responsible for is there anyone like that in the room a couple people how many data sets do you manage 12 1200 okay gotcha okay so the next part here is about editing and publishing your own records and it also supports a whole whack of standards and it can manage both your data and your documents one thing that's nice about this is that it does follow the OJC standards you can have catalogs that harvest from other catalogs and bring up all this information and really help with discovery it's also relatively flexible for configuration security configuration got the idea of harvesting from other catalogs and they also a lot of analysis available on what data sets and records are actually being used which is very helpful so why would you use one of these things it helps your team find out what informations available in your organization do you have like directories of shapefiles of dubious limit lineage how many duplicate data sets do you have and so on or perhaps you've got a government obligation to share with the public in Europe the inspire programs really popular for giving people work to do for example it also helps your team know where your map came from so what information is used behind the map did you what information of you purchased and maintained it's always embarrassing when two people buy the same set of data also what information you're responsible for publishing to other parties okay so I can go through the steps here of pulling in some templates creating a new record in this case have to choose the exact like like record structure so ISO one nine one nine one three nine and then I can fill in the details and this editor is a thing of beauty is you can do all the things these standards are are very crazy or very detailed very detailed oriented and this editor goes toe to toe with how complicated these standards are which is really impressive and harvesting I just harvest from a local geo server and I was able to pull in some records and review the records and and so on so harvesting worked for me so technical approach how does it work developer friendly has got a whole bunch of ability to customize it and it really believes in open standards open source and opening all the things here's my picture of it I'm not sure anyone else has drawn a picture like this so the UI right now for for your network 3 is based on a angular and bootstrap and a bit of open layers for the mapping it's a Java application so it's got this picture I'm using jetty the technologies are it's a spring-based application it's using Lucene for the tech search if you're searching lots of like WFS feature content feet record by record and also use elastic search couple interesting things here is it does support the CSW protocol which allows it to interact with other catalogs and it does have a REST API and I see people using the REST API about 50-50% versus the OGC standard and what else do we got a whole bunch of it manages its own users and groups internally but it does interact with other authentication systems and a new feature is it does have a publication workflow so a record can be completed and then given to someone else for review and approval okay yeah lots of other things it does make use of a database to store its configuration this is terrifying to me I like little text files it's as part of each upgrade there's a little SQL script to like update your configuration table in the database I'm really going to be terrified of like changing those things out of the box it works with H2 but one of the first things people do is switch it over to Postgres or another database when they go in production and they're also starting to make use of elastic search right now it's optional but I think for geo network 4 it's going to be a bit more mandatory there it does a is a file system there to handle attachments and thumbnails and a spatial index and so on so it is a well-structured application it's got really clear boundaries between the server and the front end and you see organizations making use of this division so when we go and look at geo network deployments people have completely destroyed and made their own front end from scratch or did made very extensive modifications can also see some real evidence of maturity so organizations that are investing in the code base and doing kind of major architectural changes and also you can swap out the database you can swap out the data directory for S3 so some folks have put some thought into this really loves its XML technologies so I expected validation that's fine they also use Schematron to put some rules in play and then they've got a plugin for each standard and the plugin is stored in a separate repository to be kind of technology neutral one thing that is was impressive as I went into this they actually use XSLT to generate that editor on the fly from the schema document so that's one reason why people are able to adapt this for their own national standard so typically I see this being used to generate HTML or PDFs but dynamically making an editor on the fly is a new one for me to wrap up who makes it strong community of companies and individuals OSGEO is the custodian so it's in a nice vendor neutral place it's also really nice to see professional support being offered and then actually seeing acknowledgments of camp to camp geocat and I can't pronounce it okay I need to wrap up okay here's an example of one where people have made a new user interface they actually added a shopping cart model so go through and do a shopping cart and here's a national registry here's the original United Nations one this was the original and so the open source in the name was a feature this was the United Nations making their internal project an open source project so I really hope it pays off for them because all these years later there's companies the products been maintained and so on so thank you


Welcome back up to the break. Just before the break, we went for a break. Sorry, I forgot to put my headset on. Okay, welcome back up to the break. Just before we went for a break, we were looking at how... Lesson two, how Jesus is equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. And we were looking at various scripture passages and one scripture passage that we were dwelling on was Isaiah chapter nine verse six where Isaiah is prophesying, revealing to us that this child who is to be born is the son. And he gives titles to who this son is and the title is talking about his attributes, what he's going to do. So we see that he's going to be the wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting Father and Prince of Peace.  He's the one who counsels us. And these two titles or these two names that Isaiah prophesies about the son that he's going to be the mighty God and the everlasting Father.  And so even the son is mighty, which is here proving again that God the Son is equal with God the Father. Just like God the Father is mighty, God the Son is also mighty. And just as God the Father, he's everlasting and is referred to as the Father, God as the Father in the Old Testament. But we see that Jesus comes to reveal the Father and he reveals not just the Father who's somebody like an earthly Father in terms of roles, someone who's distinct, somebody who's, you know, punishes the children when they do something wrong or, you know, someone who's not connecting with the family like some fathers, but Jesus reveals the Father as above Father, which is more in terms of an intimate relationship. And he's saying, hey, this Father who you know in the Old Testament who's revealed as the Father in the Old Testament, you know, he's not just a father in terms of, you know, that he's ahead or he's, he does what he wants in terms of his role, but he's somebody who's, you know, in terms of somebody who's waiting to relate to us intimately, he's the above Father. Okay, and you can know him as the above Father. But here, you know, these two names that is ascribed to God, mighty God and everlasting Father is ascribed to God the Son. So again, proves to us that Jesus is co-equal with God the Father.  So God the Father say, hey, he's not going to say, hey, those titles are for me, you know, it cannot be ascribed to the Son. So we'll give him different titles, you know, or Jesus did not say, hey, this title I am is only for my father. I can't use it. But when we look at all of these titles and names and what Jesus, you know, confirms about himself or declares about himself, it's not something that is conflicting with God the Father. But it is something that is showing that they are, even though they are three distinct persons, three distinct personalities, they are co-equal in their nature in the attributes and there is perfect unity and oneness amongst themselves. So basically here, these two words, mighty God and everlasting Father reveals Christ's eternal nature that he's everlasting from eternity past, eternity future. There's never a point when he wasn't there, there would never be a point when he was ceased to exist. He always was, always is, always will be. And he talks about his attributes and his character, which is similar to his father, hence proving that he is deity, that he is God, and that he is co-equal or equal with God the Father. Okay. Any questions so far? Any questions? Yes, sir. I just have not really a question, but like clarifying. Sorry Nina, I couldn't hear you from the beginning, could you repeat that please, sorry? Yeah, I said it, I'm just clarifying, are you able to hear me? Yes. Yeah, okay. Because these verses start, sixth verse, it's talking about the sun, right? For unto us, a child is born and the sun is given. So all those attributes which follow are talking about the sun, right? Yes. The sun is on his shoulders and he will be called wonderful and counselor and mighty God and everlasting Father too, right? Yes. So then when, so normally when we pray, I mean like the Lord told us, I mean gave us a model to pray, we do say, you know, we pray to the Father, right? Yes. And in the name of Jesus. But here when they say Jesus is also the everlasting Father. So then we don't need to differentiate. Is that what comes from here? Because it's saying everlasting Father too. I mean Prince of Peace, yes, we always attribute Jesus when we say everlasting Father. So Jesus too is the Father. Is that it? Yes. Because see for them, good question Nina, for them, there is no confusion, you know. You know, and even for us, there shouldn't be confusion because we see God as just one, there is one God.  Yes, there are three distinct personalities in terms of roles, but they're all co-equal. They have the same nature, same essence that makes them God. But you know, when we are just praying it, yes, we, you know, we have an understanding. So in the Old Testament, we don't say, okay, so when God said this was it God, the Father who said it or God, the Holy Spirit or God, the Son. We just look at it as God. We have the same understanding, but just for us to have more clarity about their roles, we have distinct persons. Okay. Fine. Yeah. Thank you. And the other one, Philippians 2, 5 to 7 also, when they say, when the scripture says that he did not think it, some version says robbery or did not forcefully retain his thing. So are we saying that, you know, did he lay as a he being in very nature, God did not consider equality with God, something to be used to his own advantage. Rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant. So there are we saying that he laid aside his deity. Is that what happened? But because he was not omnipresent, no, when he came down in the form of a servant. Yes. No, he was not omnipresent. Yes. Yeah, but he was, but he, he was all knowing so he was, what is that, what is the word for that omniscient and omnipotent? Omniscient. Yeah, he was all knowing yet that was definitely there, but he was not omnipresent. When he took on the nature of a servant. So are we saying like, what did he lay aside? Was he a man in just like any of us in the right relationship with God? Because there are scriptures which talk about, you know, when he is, when he was to be, when he was to heal that the power of the Lord was present to heal. Right. Jesus himself was there. But still it refers to the power of the Lord being present, referring to the presence of the Holy Spirit. So is, when he came in human likeness, was he just like any of us? When we say that he laid aside deity or, you know, when he, so what does that mean? Because he was not omnipresent. That I'm sure of that he was not omnipresent, but the other attributes were still there. Or, you know, how do we look at that? Yes. Good question.  So here on this verse, when he says that he gave, you know, did not consider it to be robbery, but to be equal with God, you know, made himself of no reputation. He gave up. It's talking about, you know, he ceased not to be completely God, but he gave up his nature of being omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. These three things. Omnipotent, he was not all powerful, omniscient. He was not all knowing and omnipresent. So when you say, how can we say that he was not omniscient because he knew everything? It was all of this. And how was he not omnipotent when he did such powerful miracles? You know, it was all through the power of the Holy Spirit. Okay. So that we read again in Matthew chapter four, when after the temptation, he was led out in the wilderness in the power of the spirit. And also Jesus says, I only say what I hear my father say. I only do what I see my father doing. So all of this was revelation. And that is why Jesus is saying you can do greater things than what I have done is because he's saying, hey, I did this as a human being. So what Jesus basically modeled for us was, yes, he is God who became man. But he gave up all of these natures that makes him, you know, that omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. And that's why he's saying that, hey, you can do greater miracles than what I have done through the power of the Holy Spirit. And, you know, the mysteries can be revealed to you through revelations. You know, and all that he's trying to model is the importance of having an intimacy with God through which you can realign yourselves to all of these things which can be made available to you. Yes. So, which means that he really gave up all of that, all that, all that we're talking about. And so he was just truly just like us in every sense of the word. Yes. Like, you know, became like it says, he became like us in every, in every sense. He did not have a high praise. Yes. Yes. And that's why he's able to understand and comprehend. But even as we go through this course, you will understand, you know, how was he fully dating in spite of him giving up his omnipotent, his nature of being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. So we'll go slowly step by step. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. Wonderful. Thank you. Yeah. That's a good question. Thank you for highlighting that. Yes. Karen, you have a question. Yeah. I wanted to know. Now, when Jesus came to the earth, he used to pray to the father. And he also said that I will do my father's will. So is it, it's like being submissive to the father. So are they still co equal or is it time to teach us how to have that father relationship with God? Yes. Good question. See, like I said, we're going to be even studying, you know, when Jesus says, you know, I've come from the father. And so he's trying to prove that he is God. He is co equal to father, but he says the father's greater than I, you know, it's it. I'll explain that later in terms of role, but in not in terms of nature. Okay. In terms of role. Yes. You know, the God, the father is greater than God, the son, God, the Holy Spirit. He says, you know, when only he says when the Holy Spirit comes, he will reveal only what the father tells him what I tell him to say. Okay. And so, you know, we can say, okay, then, you know, Holy Spirit is a lesser being than God, the father and God, God, the son and God, the son is a lesser being then God, the father. But in terms of role, yes, you know, there can be this kind of thing. But in terms of their nature attributes, they are God. So there is no distinction between that. So they're co equal in all in every sense, accepting for the role that is just for us to understand, but does not make them any lesser in them being God. There is only one God and who, you know, in three persons, God, the father, God, the son, but the Holy Spirit. But all three are co equal and, you know, have the same nature and the same, and the same essence. So they are one and they are God. So there's no distinction between that. And also here, you know, when Jesus says that, you know, he gives up, you know, that's not considered to be a robbery to be equal with God.  In being submissive in in being obedient in doing what the father is asking you to do and just doing going about doing his with us. So that shows also proves to us that Jesus is completely human shows his humanity, which we will study again. Thank you. Okay. Okay, so we'll move on. We move on to another. We looked at mighty God and everlasting father that the names ascribe to God, the son in the Old Testament. And so we prove that Jesus is co equal or one with the father. It reveals Christ's eternal nature and characteristic as the father. Another name that we will look at is the alpha and the Omega, which is the meaning is beginning and the end to Greek words alpha. The first Omega is the last so beginning and the end. And does Jesus ascribe himself to these names as alpha and Omega? Yes, no. Yes. Okay. Let's look at Revelation chapter 21 versus six and seven. Can one of you read that piece? Revelation chapter 21 versus six and seven. And he said to me, it is done. I am the alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end.   So here Jesus saying that he is the alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. We also see that in the Old Testament, God ascribes himself to these titles as the first and the last, the alpha and the Omega. So let's look at two scripture passages. One of you can please read Isaiah chapter 44 verse six. One of you please read Isaiah chapter 44 verse six and someone else can read Isaiah 48 verse 12. That says the Lord, the king of Israel and his redeemer, the Lord of host. I am the first and I'm the last. Besides me, there is no God. Thank you Nina Santosh. Amen to that. So here we see that God revealing himself with saying that he is, you know, the king of Israel that he's a redeemer. He's the Lord of hosts. And he says I am the first and the last besides me that is no God. Okay. So when we look at the Greek words, alpha and Omega, there's the Greek words of the New Testament written in Greek. But here the Old Testament written in Hebrew. So it's mentioned as the first and last. Okay. So you'll be wondering why these names alpha and Omega is not here. It's because alpha and Omega are Greek words and the New Testament written in Greek. But here's when you translate that it's the first and last, but the God of the Old Testament reveals himself as the first and the last. It says besides me that is no God. Can somebody else please read for Isaiah 48 verse 12, please. Listen to me. Oh Jacob and Israel. I am called my my call. I am he. I'm the first. I'm also the last. Yes, we're listening to you Prince. Thank you. Amen. So he has listened to me. Oh Jacob and Israel.  I am also the last again, you know, alpha and Omega the translated, you know, the first and the last. So here we see clearly in the Old Testament God refers himself as scribe sees titles to as the first and the last and the Jews knew this because they knew the Old Testament, especially the scribes in those who study the Old Testament, they knew that God referred himself or called himself or the title of the first and last is given to to God himself. And here we see Jesus ascribing himself to this title of Alpha and Omega in Revelation chapter 21 verse six and seven and also in Revelation chapter chapter one was eight and Revelation chapter 22 verse 13. So can one of you please read Revelation chapter one was eight and someone else can read Revelation chapter 22 verse 13 please. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end says the Lord who is and who was and wish to come the Almighty. Thank you. Amen to that and Revelation 22 verse 13. Anybody else can read please Revelation chapter 22 verse 13. I'm the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the last, the beginning and the end the first and the last. Thank you. So here we see the same title that is used for God in the Old Testament Jesus uses it for himself, which shows that he is no lesser in power or divinity. Then the Father is divine. He is God. He's equal with God the Father himself. And you know the beginning and last basically means or the Alpha and Omega basically means that you know everything begins from God. Everything ends in him. Everything that God is the originator of everything in history, all of life, everything that we see and everything comes to an end in him. Everything culminates in him. He is the origin and he is the destination. Okay, so that is the meaning of the words first and last and Alpha and Omega. And so we see that you know the titles first and last that is ascribed that God uses for himself in the Old Testament. Jesus also ascribes these titles to himself. Hence proving that he is God that he's no lesser in power or divinity compared to the Father. Another reference that we can look at is in Romans chapter nine verses four and five. So again one of you please read Romans chapter nine verse four and five please. Who are Israelites to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises. Of whom are the fathers and from whom according to the flesh Christ came who is overall the eternally blessed God. Amen. Amen. Thank you Rin. So two important facts about Christ that you know Paul, the apostle Paul writes to the church at Rome which you know here is inspired by the Holy Spirit receives a revelation. He says Christ is overall. So you know overall means that he is supreme. He's sovereign. He's the master. He's the Lord. And he knows that he's writing to Jews. And they know that God alone is a supreme. He's a master. He's a sovereign. He is sovereign and that he is Lord. And we need to understand that all of these letters when they were written, you know, to the various churches, most the New Testament, they had a, you know, a very small understanding of very lean understanding of the Old Testament scriptures, because they didn't have scriptures like we have in our hands to read. And also they're trying to understand who is this Messiah, who is this Christ, what is this new moment of Christians that have come up.  So we can say, okay, I mean, we all know that, you know, God is supreme. He's sovereign. He's a Lord. He's the master. So what is new? I mean, for them in that context, they did not know this. So it's a new revelation for them. So here, you know, Christ is over all, which means he is supreme master sovereign and Lord, which proves to the Jewish audience that hey, this Christ is not just a Messiah is not just a human being, but he is divine.  And Jesus, as Jesus has also described this title, he says, overall, which means he is also God. And again, another thing that Paul mentions here that he is eternally blessed God that Jesus Christ is eternally blessed. God eternally means from eternity to eternity.  He's saying this, this God, the Son, Jesus Christ, who is God himself, he's also worthy to receive all glory, honor, blessing, power, majesty, because to him belongs all the glory, because he is God. And so, because he is God, he is co-equal with the Father and co-equal with God, the Holy Spirit as well. We look at just one more scripture before we go on to, you know, what Jesus came to reveal about himself and how he reveals that he's, he had come from the Father and he's also proves that he is co-equal with God, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Before we look at that, we'll just read one more scripture passage in Titus chapter 2 verse 13. So can one of you please read Titus chapter 2 verse 13, please? Titus 2 verse 13, somebody who's never read, can you please read? Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Thank you, Nikhil. So here it says, you know, looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. So Jesus is our great God. So we cannot deny the fact that Jesus is God, that he is deity. You know, even though people have questions about his deity, scripture very clearly points out that Jesus is God, okay? So we look at a few passages in scripture from the Gospels that, you know, where Jesus came to reveal the Father. And also when he's revealing the Father, he's also proving that he is a co-equal with the Father, which proves that he is God, okay? So let's look at John chapter 14 verse 7, what Jesus says in John chapter 14 verse 7. Somebody who's not read, can you please read John chapter 14 verse 7, please? If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. And from now on, you know him and have seen him. Thank you, Anand. So here we see that, you know, Jesus is saying that, you know, if you had known me, you would have known my Father. So just basically saying that, hey, you know, I am just as same as my Father, same in nature, same in essence, same in the way I do things as my Father and co-equal with my Father.  Now this is something like blasphemous for the Jews because Jesus is here fully human in front of these people. And how can he ascribe himself, you know, to the Father and leave alone to the Father, talking about himself as equal to the Father, which is so blasphemous. And that's why they were looking for a way to kill Jesus. But let's look at one chapter. We just study a few things that Jesus says in detail in John chapter 5. In John chapter 5 verses 1 to 15, we see Jesus heals a lame man who was invalid for 38 years at the pool of Bethesda.  They were very angry with Jesus because he dared to violate, you know, the law, that's the mosaic law that says that you should not do anything on the Sabbath. You know, he violated the regulations.  I've done it. Let me just quietly go away. Instead of, you know, already I've created a controversy and these people are going to catch me and all of that. But instead of avoiding the controversy, you know, Jesus claims himself to be equal with God, the Father, which angers the Jews even more, which he does in the same chapter of John chapter five versus 19 to 27. So, can one of you, all of us can turn to John chapter five, please. And one of you can please read, somebody who's not read, can read John chapter five versus 19 to 27 for us. Anyone can read John chapter five versus 19 to 27. Therefore, Jesus answered, and you're saying to them, truly, truly, I pray to you that the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it is something to do with the Father. The Word of the Son does this to the Son, also, just in the same way. 19 to 27. The Father is the Son, and so is everything that Jesus himself is doing. And the Father will show his great-grandson, so that he will be amazed. So just as the Father raised the dead, and gave them life, so the Son also gives life to those whom he wishes. For not even the Father did this to anyone, but he has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son, does not honor the Father, says so. Truly, truly, I pray to you, the one who hears my word from delusions, who sent me, has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.  So just as the Father has life in itself, so he gives the Son, also, to have life in itself, and he gives him authority to achieve this judgment, but because he is the Son of God. Thank you, Vijay. So here we see that Jesus claims to be equal with God the Father. By saying that God was his Father, he's claiming equality with God in terms of, equality with God in terms of his nature, his privilege, and his power. So for example, if you say that someone is your Father, you're basically claiming to possess the same human nature as him, and also that you have the same qualities that describe your Father.   So here when Jesus is saying that, yes, I'm human, you know, but he's saying that, you know, I've come from the Father. I only hear what my Father says. I only do what my Father says. And all of these things which we have read, you know, Jesus is basically claiming to be equal with God the Father in nature, his privilege, and his power.  It's like the Father is God, I'm also God, because I have the same nature, just like God the Father is almighty, supreme, all powerful, eternal. I'm also that because I enjoy the same nature, privileges, and the power as the Father. So here we see that he's claiming to possess the same divine nature as God the Father in himself, along with all the divine attributes that God the Father has. Jesus says, I also have, and so he's just claiming to possess the same divine nature and attributes that God the Father has in himself. And the Jews caught this, and they rightly understood that Jesus is claiming equality with God. Okay, and that's why they were all out to kill him and to get done with him. Okay, because they thought that this was what they were hearing is blasphemous or blasphemy. Okay, in John chapter five verse 21, we read that, you know, Jesus says, as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so whom he will.  God had the power to give life.  And he also has life in himself. Verse 22, just as it was read to us, you know, we read that for the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son. So the Jews knew that God alone could judge the world. He alone is the true and the righteous judge. Now, when Jesus claims that the Father has given him the privilege, and he goes on to verse 23 says why he's been given the privilege. Because he says, God, the Father has given him the privilege to judge so that all should honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. He says he who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. So this was again too much for the Jews to bear to listen because the Jews believe that only God was to be honored and worshiped. And they were so zealous about this. They were so strong on this. It was a strong ideology that they had that they would never bow down and worship anyone. And that's why we see, you know, Saul, who was very zealous Jew who knew the Old Testament taught us so well because he studied under great teachers. One of them was Gamaliel. For him to see other Jews worshiping. Jesus was something blasphemous and that's why he was all out to persecute them. And also in the Roman world, the Jews who went through a lot of persecution because, you know, this Caesar, you know, there were different Caesars called as kings, you know, like Nero and all that. They considered themselves to be God in those days, pharaohs and rulers and kings were considered. They considered themselves to be God and people used to worship them. But, you know, even and they used to ascribe them the authority, the power that they ascribe to God, they would call them Lord, they would call them God as well. But, you know, in the New Testament, we see that Christians would never do that. They would never ascribe the title of God or Lord to to the kings or the Nero or the other Caesars who, you know, who ruled the Roman Empire. And that was, you know, that made these these rulers very, very angry. And that also was one of the reasons that led to persecution because, you know, of course the Christians used to live in obeying the rules and the laws, but they would never ascribe this title of God or Lord to the kings. They would never bow down and worship him, worship them. And we also see in the Old Testament, Mordecai are not doing that to the king and to Haman. And that is why Haman was so angry with Mordecai. So the Jews believe that only God was to be honored and worshiped. You know, Jesus is saying, you know, why has the father given the son committed him to judge is because the son should also be honored just like the father is honored. And he says, who does not honor the son does not honor the father who sent him. And again, Jesus is, you know, bringing about his equality with God, the father, and saying, hey, just like God, the father is honored and worshiped.  So Jesus claims the right to be worshiped, honored as the father has. Again, proves or emphasizes the unity in the Godhead between the father and the son. What is done to one is also done to the other because they are equal, they are co-equal, and they are God. Another, you know, statement that Jesus makes in John chapter 14, verse 28, can one of you read that, please? John chapter 14, verse 28. Anyone can read John chapter 14, verse 28.  If you love me, you rejoice because as I said, I'm going to the father. My father is greater than I am. Thank you, Amen. Thank you, Rin. So here we see that, you know, Jesus is saying that I'm going back to the father. I have come from the father and I'm going back to him. And then he says, for my father is greater than I. So here Jesus is basically talking about his origin, where does he from? You know, also talking about him being equal with God the father. But then he says, for my father is greater than I, it does not mean that he's a lesser being than God the father.  But, you know, Christ is describing basically his role to the father and not his nature. So here he's not describing his nature, but he's describing his role in comparison to his father. So there is a difference between one's role and one's nature. In nature he's, you know, he's from the father. That means his origin is from, you know, is not from this earth. He's the same in nature and in essence, in attributes like we looked at in John chapter 5 and other scripture passages. So here the difference is between one's role and not one's nature. So you need to remember that very clearly.  The same nature that makes God God, but they have different roles. Just to give you an example to understand this and not saying that we can use this to understand the concept of Trinity because, you know, God transcends all of human relationship. But just for our understanding is, for example, if you look at the biblical marriage relationship, we read in Ephesians chapter 5 verses 22 to 33, the husband and wife have different roles. Okay. Not only do they have different roles, but also we see in scripture that the husband is greater in office than a wife. So, you know, the husband is the head of the family. We read this in Ephesians chapter 5 verse 3. So in terms of role, in terms of office, the husband is greater than the wife. Okay. In terms of their roles. But in another sense, we know that husbands and wives are equal because both of them have the same human nature. Both of them are, John Genesis chapter 1 verse 27. Both of them are created in the image of God, in the image and the likeness of God. So, and before God, there is no June or Greek, male or female, all are one. So in terms of equality, they are equal in their nature because both of them have the same human nature. But in terms of role, yes, in terms of the office, the man is greater than the wife because he is the head of the family. So the same way, when you look at the father, the son, the Holy Spirit, they all have the same nature and attributes that make them God. Okay. And that's why they call God. So they're equal in nature, but they have different roles. But by using this marriage example or this marriage relationship, it's a dim reflection of the person of the Godhead. We're not saying this is how they operate. No, it's just an example for us to understand, but we can't compare the persons of the Godhead to marriage relationship. But what we're saying here is different roles they have, but they are co-equal in terms of their nature and attributes, they're co-eternal persons of the Trinity and they have one divine nature. So they're co-equal, they're co-eternal persons of the Trinity and they are one in their divine nature and that is why they are called God. So when we understand this phrase for my father is greater than I, we need to understand it in terms of role and not in nature. Okay. Just a last scripture passage we will see which proves to us that Jesus is also co-equal with God, the Holy Spirit. John chapter 15 verse 26. Can one of you please read that? Somebody who's not read please. John chapter 15 verse 26. John chapter 15 verse 26. But when the helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the split of truth who proceeds from the Father, he will testify of me. Amen. Thank you, Vimal. So here, who is this helper that Jesus is talking about? Who is this helper? The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit. Okay. Thank you. So here it's referring to the Holy Spirit. You see it's a capital H helper, it's referring to the Holy Spirit. It says, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the split of truth, the split of truth again revealing or referring to the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father, he will testify of me. Okay. So here we see the split of God comes from the Father and he will reveal Jesus Christ. So note the equality in origin. Jesus says that I have come from the Father. I'm going back to the Father. The Holy Spirit is going to come from the Father. So equality in terms of origin, see the unity they have in the operation between themselves, between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Perfect unity in terms of their operation and how they go about doing things. And hence we see that Jesus is co-equal with God the Father and also God the Holy Spirit. Okay. We just have one minute before we end class. Anyone has any questions? Any questions? Okay. If there are no questions, I would request you to please take some time. Just half an hour just to go through it. So there's this clarity and if you have any doubts, you can ask me when we meet the next class. Okay. The last reference, since we've run out of time, Nina, John, can I explain that next week? Is that okay? Because I'll have to rush to the next class and all of you also have to go to the next class. Is that fine? Okay. Okay. Thank you everyone for joining class today. Have a blessed day and the rest of the week. Thank you. God bless you.