Welcome to the panel discussion for David Lee's special visit to Purdue. I am Sang Kim, the Islandville head of the Davidson School of Chemical Engineering. And it's my pleasure to introduce the two co-moderators. We have Professor and Associate Dean Alina Alexenko from the schools of Aero and Chemical Engineering. And we also have, who really needs no introduction, I guess. And we also have Sam DeLotte, who is currently a senior studying computer engineering. Sam hails from Polano, Texas. He's president of the Purdue Student Engineering Foundation and has helped numerous high school students choose to study engineering at Purdue. He's also an ambassador for the College of Engineering and for ECE. He facilitates the Purdue Engineering Students Council and coordinates events for Purdue's engineering week in the spring. So with that, I'll hand the mic over to the moderators. Thank you so much, Dr. Kim. And we will now introduce our panelists. So we'll start with David Lee, who just gave a wonderful Purdue Engineering Frontiers lecture. So David Lee is a recently retired CEO and president of CMC Materials. He has had many leadership positions in CMC Materials in his career that spans, well, from 1997 or so, right? So almost right after he graduated from Purdue Chemical Engineering in 1995. And in addition to Purdue Chemical Engineering degree, Mr. Lee also has an MBA from Northwestern. And some of our other fellow professors and leaders in industry are here with us on the panel. So I'll introduce my being in this order. So Professor Joe Peckney, who has been on the faculty of Davidson School of Chemical Engineering for since 1990. So you might have intersected during David's time at Purdue. And in addition to faculty roles and innovating as a researcher at Purdue, Dr. Peckney is also a founder of a successful process analytics company since 1993. And he's also has been the founding director of Burton Morgan Center for Entrepreneurship. Another participant on our panel is Beth Menser, who is retired recently also from a distinguished career in industry as a vice president at ExxonMobil. And we are very happy that Beth now shares her time with students in the School of Chemical Engineering imparting wisdom on how to succeed in industry for the next generation of engineering leaders. And Beth has a degree in chemical engineering from Louisiana State and is serving as industrial career counselor at KME at Purdue. And then finally, our panelist today is Professor Linda Wang, who is one of the first, I believe, women professors at Purdue Engineering and definitely the first in chemical engineering. Professor Wang has a PhD in chemical engineering from University of Minnesota. She is internationally known for her research in chromatography and has led many innovations, including some that you're hearing in the news from time to time on some of the material innovations for some critical materials, including for batteries. So welcome to our panelist, and we'll start with some questions. Thanks, Alina. Yeah, let's go ahead and get started with just talking about some leadership topics as a whole. So how would you all define leadership? And feel free to walk us through an example of a time where maybe you were in a leadership role and you sort of had to go against conflict and what that looked like. Joe, if you want to start us off. Sure, I think leadership is a very creative endeavor. It depends on a few things. There are a few invariance, I would say. One is the people that you lead. And no matter who you are, even a CEO of a company has a boss, the stockholders, or the board. So you have to understand who you work for, you have to understand who you're leading, and you have to understand the organization and what constitutes success. And I think one of the invariance of leadership is making sure you take care of all those stakeholders. And you bring your creativity and vision to the task so that everybody's time is used in the best way. Their individual gifts are used the best way to serve the organization. I think Purdue has been blessed with many leaders that bring very different styles, but make sure they take care of those people that they're leading, the people they work for, and bring a vision that makes everybody more successful. Thank you. Bev, if you want to talk about your definition. Yes, my definition of leadership is pretty simple. I'd say it's leading a team of people to accomplish a goal. And I would ask after that has been completed, are the people willing to work for you again? How they were treated along the way. One leadership initiative that comes to mind was when we opened up ExxonMobil Research Guitar in Doha and really had to start from scratch, staffing a research center, deciding what research we would do there, working with the guitaries on facilities, contracts, agreements, Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a lot of different issues involved, but then also wanting to start it with people skilled in areas, but then also grow the guitaries into filling the jobs in that research center. Thank you. David? Well, I think Joe and Beth covered really well leadership opportunities and examples. I have a very similar definition, which is as a leader, you need to create a compelling vision and then motivate, influence, and drive a team or organization to achieve those. And I would say you brought in this concept of conflict. So I still remember as I was starting as CEO of CMC Materials, one of the key areas that I thought was holding us back was we weren't growing our top line revenue. So we set some very ambitious goals to double our revenue over five years. That required a lot of tough change. But as Beth mentioned, you want to make sure you're using the gifts for the team that is working with you, and they want to make sure that he still wants to work with you afterwards, right? And so that was a tremendously fulfilling journey. But it requires a lot of change, a lot of commitment, and a lot of communication, all of our important ingredients of leadership. So it's about setting that vision and then finding ways to influence, incentivize, communicate, and drive an organization towards achieving it. Thank you, David. Linda? Yes, I think as Joe and Beth and Dave said, the leadership quality, in my mind, you must have the credibility to lead.  This reminds me a good story that I know about Dave. I remember the discussion. When Dave was moving to the Purdue dorm the first day, he met his roommate. The roommate's first comment to Dave was, just remember, your roommate, not your friend. They argued for weeks, and guess what? After a few weeks, they became the best buddies. So this shows that Dave has the leadership quality, which is aware of other people's positions, and to have the communication skills to convert your enemies into your best friend. And the evidence of the best friend was when he became the CEO of Capital Microelectronics. The day he got appointment, he called his roommate and shared a bottle of champagne. I thought that was a very, very lovely story. So I think you're seeing example of leaders here. First of all, he gave excellent talk, better than I can deliver, and so clear, and so convincing. And I loved the story that he used in chemical engineering. We call it dimensionless groups, so get benchmarks to use the football field as the planar surface of the semiconductors. And the defect has to be less than certain millimeters of grass on the football field. I thought that was a wonderful example. Thank you, Dave, for giving such a wonderful talk. So I think communication skills have the integrity, have the leadership, the ethical standards to have the credibility to lead people, to accomplish a goal. And that's really the quality. But I think it's in his character. You have to be a good person to inspire trust, to have good communication skills, to convince other people to your vision and your goals, and to lead the whole group of people to accomplish some wonderful things. And that's a sign of good leaders.  So I'm just very, very proud of Dave. Thanks, Professor Linda. And I had great teachers along the way, including Professor Wong. So thank you for those kind words. You're much better than the professors. So our next question was Joe on the side. What attributes of future leaders do you look for when recruiting people? OK, so the question is? Especially what attributes of future leaders do you look for when recruiting for, especially, entry-level positions? So leadership traits. What do we look for in leadership traits? OK, first of all, you look for somebody who is knowledgeable about what your organization does. I think, in my opinion, great leadership depends on understanding fundamentals about the organization. It's hard to be a leader in chemical engineering if you don't know what chemical engineering is. So I first look for strong fundamentals. Then you look for, getting back to people, will someone be humble and a servant leader? Not that they're shrinking violet. Not that they won't have conflict if they need it. But at root, are they a servant leader? Because people will follow servant leaders. People will follow humility if there's confidence behind it. And then I think it's very important to apply the golden rule. And so I look for leaders that will apply the golden rule. If they're leading, they'll imagine that they're following and they'll treat people the way they want to be treated. When you do that, you tend to get 110%, 120% out of people because they believe that you have their back. So I look for people that servant leaders humble, apply the golden rule, and competence and hard work, which our speaker today models and spades. Thank you, Beth. Excellent, excellent answer. Great attributes. I think I'm gonna kind of build on what Joe said and answered a different way, coming from the perspective of a recruiter. There are so many leadership opportunities on campus. All a recruiter has to do is look for a successful leader. And they'll tell you what they accomplish. They'll tell you how they did it, how they got along with their team, what goals they delivered. And so I just look for demonstrated leadership. So from our side, I'm gonna agree with our two previous panelists quite a bit. We actually did quite a bit of work on this at our company to see what were some of the common traits of successful executives entering our company. And the two traits that were most consistent and correlated with success were one, being humble. So back to Joe, your comment about are people willing to learn from others, open to learning and admit their mistakes. The other is something called being hungry. So are you at the point of your career where you're really eager to contribute to a team, hungry to contribute overall to the organizational goals and just hungry in general to learn more? So being humble and hungry turned out to be the number one, number two traits of successful leaders entering and thriving in our company. Wow, I don't have much to add. I think a good leader must have the character, the integrity and which can inspire trust. In addition to that, I think they have to be the three piece. That means being prepared, be professional and passionate about things. That's what I thought. Most of the leaders have those kind of characters. So two H and three P. So we can make a formula. We can make a chemical author with it. I just want to pick up on one of Linda's comments, if I might, the presentable aspect, I think being able to communicate and present yourself. I coach a lot of Asian, Asian American leaders and the question I get asked as well, why do I have to work on my presentation skills? And my comment back is, well, the requirement for you to be a leader in a multinational company is actually no different than anybody else. You have to, if you get to a certain level, you have to be able to hold your own in a boardroom or a management meeting. And so being presentable, being able to communicate what your goals are or what you're there to present, really, really important. Thank you all. To go off something that Bev brought up about students and demonstrated leadership, how do you think Purdue students can better prepare for leadership? I think more importantly, what can Purdue and the College of Engineering do to help in that? Bev, if you want to start, or Jill, you're more than welcome. Well, like I said, I think Purdue has amazing opportunities. I've just heard some outstanding leadership stories. Probably what Purdue could better help is just making sure that all students are aware of those opportunities. I see a lot of undergrad connection, maybe as much in grad school, of getting involved in campus activities and realizing that you don't have to be a leader in a technical area to demonstrate leadership. And then from the individual's perspective, if you're starting at the basics, I'd say, first of all, you have to learn to lead yourself. Take responsibility, set your own vision, prioritize, and then build that into leading others, how to work toward mutual benefit, how to listen and communicate well, how to create synergy out of opportunities. Thank you. Joe, do you have anything you'd like to add? Well, go ahead, I think you've got it. You've got to, you've got to find a way to get there. Okay, so I was just thinking about Dave. When I first saw him, I found him a be adorable student, a graduate student. And I think there's something in the characters, you must be a good person to be likable and to be good to others and kindness and communicative and understanding and just try to be a good person. I think that's, I saw Dave from adorable undergrad to emerge very quickly into a leader. I think that that's one of the things I observed is the basic character being kind and being communicative, understanding, be good to each other. So I think those are basic qualities of leaders. That's all I can think of at this point. I think at the undergraduate level, you want to have opportunities to lead. Leadership takes experience, it takes practice. You're dealing with people, okay? People aren't an equation. It takes a lot of practice to learn how to deal with different kinds of people, especially for an engineer, right? I always make sure I tell the joke to my class about what's an extroverted engineer. They look at your shoes instead of your own when you talk to someone. You have to remember when you're an engineer that there's the technical matter and you have to understand that and be good at it because people won't follow you if you don't understand what you're doing. But you also have to understand you're dealing with people and they're not an equation. You know, if somebody's parents are sick, you've got to be flexible and then they'll work harder for you when they can make it up. You've got to know when somebody's fooling you, you've got to learn to read people. If they're lying to you, you've got to learn, you can tell, you've got to learn how to do that.  So what I would recommend for all students is to get in an organization, get an opportunity to lead. Go give speeches. If you learn how to talk in front of people, that makes you more comfortable leading people as well. So practice every chance you get to speak in public, okay? That'll help you enormously in a lot of different ways. I just add a few practical things for the students as well. One is if you're able to and are in the right position to do a co-op or an internship, fantastic opportunity to get your feet wet in terms of an actual corporate or industrial experience. That's, I think, really, really important. And then the one thing I would always say, I was with a group of students last night, student leaders for AICHE and other organizations, I would intentionally spend at least 10% of your time networking with people that are at a level that you aspire to be at, whether it is in speaking or in profession or just an area you want to accentuate about yourself. There's that saying that iron sharpens iron. You've got to have a network of people that are pushing you to be better, right? So I know I benefited from that, but you don't, that doesn't normally happen unless you are intentionally spending at least, I just make up the number 10% of your time trying to find those individuals that can really get you to that next level. There's a saying that when you work on something, a technical issue, this is difficult, okay? So, but there's a big, greater challenge is if you are controlling a budget, okay? To manage money. But the most difficult task is really managing people. So that's really the most challenging job is to lead. So I think, as a student, I think you need to be involved and trying to observe people like Dave and the other leaders and try to learn what are the keys to not only to manage the technical things or the budget, but managing people. I think that is the highest level of skills that one can gain, but that takes learning and takes observation, takes interest and takes, you know, you have to be motivated to do that. Thank you. Can you share a nugget of wisdom in managing, well, kind of that side of leadership? Managing people? Well, I'll say, you know, one is what I've learned over my time in corporate is you really have to prioritize behaviors and values over skills. And so what I found is I've worked with some really brilliant people over my time, but if they were not getting work done, working with others in a collaborative manner, we're better off without them in the organization. Of course, if they can be coached and developed and et cetera, but I think that cultural fit, the fit with values is probably the most important thing. Skill set is easy to see on a resume. So looking at cultural fit, behavioral fit, value fit, I think is really, really important. One other thing I'd say, it's a little hard for engineers is leadership is messy, okay? People get sick, they have bad days. You don't know what's going on in their life. Maybe something causes them to be a little bit cross, but it has nothing to do with you. You have to have a little bit of a thick skin and realize that leadership is messy, okay? Now having said that, in return for learning that messiness, leadership can be, I don't think there's anything else more rewarding when a team accomplishes something that you set out for and as a team you win. It's way, to me, it's way more important than money or anything else. So remember, leadership is messy because you're dealing with people and remember that if you're successful, there's nothing better. To, maybe if you want to add. I'll share a couple little tips that have helped me during my leadership career. And one was talking about where can you create the greatest synergy? Because you want that one plus one is greater than two. You want that creativity. You want that to flow. And the analogy was one of the places with the highest level of synergy is two people in a foxhole being shot at. Because they have a common goal to stay alive and they need each other to achieve that goal. And so how in the work world do we build foxholes? And bring people together like that? I haven't heard that one before, so thank you for sharing. To go off of what Joe said, talking about being successful in a team environment, talk about a time where you've experienced failure and kind of what you learned from that. I'll go first. I've got a lot of failures I could talk about. I would say one is as a early engineer, engineering gives you the skill set of problem solving. I started my career at a company called UOP who still employs a lot of chemical engineers. And I thought that was a terrific experience because I blew up a lot of stuff unintentionally and learned a lot. But I think it's really about learning from your mistakes and having the environment to be able to fail and learn from those failures and get better. I was really fortunate, especially early in my career whether it was with UOP or CMC, I had that opportunity, that freedom to experiment and fail. You can't fail all the time by the way. You have to be successful more than you fail, but having that opportunity environment to fail and learn from your failures was really, really helpful, especially early in my career. Thank you. In research, I think 99% of the initial phases are failures, 1% of success. So I think the most important thing is to learn from your failures and try to grow from that experience. But own your mistakes, if you make a mistake, really affect others. I think you should take responsibility and take responsibility for what the mistakes are. So, and be honest about the, to others, to your team members. I think the other people would appreciate that. I think you have to be very careful on how you define failure too, okay? A lot of times people define failure to be things that really aren't failures. There are more learning opportunities that if you treat it as a learning opportunity, it's not a failure at all. In fact, it's a basis for future success. We're a very perfectionist oriented society and life is messy. As long as we have the chemical engineers out there on there, there's entropy, okay? And you have to expend work to overcome entropy, okay? And so don't get overly, don't overly generalize what failure is, okay? Real failures are things like if you die, or somebody dies, okay? If you have a bad day and somebody was mean to you, that's not the basis of a failure, okay? So just, there are real failures in life. You can really fail, right? A company can go bankrupt, something that's really important to you, you can not achieve it, okay? But don't make everything a failure, okay? Just because it didn't go the way you wanted it to go. Getting a B in a class sometimes, one of the best classes I've ever had, I got a B in, right? And I learned a lot in that class, even though I didn't get an A. I didn't have too many Bs though, don't anybody think I did? Yeah. Joe made me think of an example that fits with what you said. We were trying to develop a new technology to separate carbon dioxide from natural gas as a solid phase. And it was a paradigm change for industry, challenging, expensive. And as we were promoting this project, doing the research, trying to get management support, my immediate boss said, I will never ever approve this. And it was like, oh, okay. So we went back to the drawing board, he said, you can keep working on it a little bit.  Technically, we need their improvements in communications that we need and understanding cost benefits, you know, applicability. And ultimately from when we started to completion, ExxonMobil spent $500 million on a commercial demonstration plant. And we waited for my boss to retire, and then we took it up through the next guy with the new and improved plan. Well, so building on that reference to technical versus people side of leadership. Maybe can you share some specific, you know, what are the specific attributes for good technical leadership in a technology industry? Is there something that makes it different from any other kind? I would just say that those that are able to manage any team, there's a gift there that is learned and also I think is a really huge attribute. Those that are able to manage researchers, that's a whole different skill set because the innovation process and the brilliant minds that are required to fuel that often are also some of the more difficult folks to manage. So I think that some of the most brilliant leaders I've met manage teams of researchers. And I'm certainly, I wouldn't consider myself qualified to do that, it's a different skill set. I'm sure the panelists are much better qualified to speak on that. Well, when I think on this question, I think of the qualities of leadership as the same but what's different when you're managing or leading a technical subject or leading technical experts? And I think the technical subject matter and I became a strong advocate of if you can't measure it, you can't improve it. So you need that tangible goal and that, you know, key feedback mechanism to know when you've achieved your goal. And as Dave was referring to, technical experts can be very unique at times in their approaches. And I would say, you know, as a leader, I spent more time coaching, upline communication. You know, the technical work was brilliant but how to communicate that in a way that was, you know, well received was a challenge. Anything else you want to add, Jolyne? Well, it depends, you know, what you define as success. I mean, in academia, technical leadership is very different, I think, than in industry. In industry, you have a payroll to meet, you have stockholders to satisfy. So how you manage risk and how you manage success is very different. So you have to know how people keep score, right? And then you can manage risk. I would say if you're dealing with very highly technical subject matter where there's a lot of uncertainty, you want to basically manage risk by doing some things that you can succeed that are simple and then you swing for the park on some things. And so you have to have a portfolio of ambition when you're in a highly uncertain environment. If you're in a company, it's a little bit different. So I think you have to understand the rules of the environment you're operating in to know how to lead well in that environment. Thank you. I wish I ran a pen for this question, but what advice do you have for current students interested in leadership or currently involved in leadership? My advice is leadership, whether you're currently in a leadership role or aspire to be in a leadership role, you have to continue to keep improving yourself. So even today, and I mentioned at the beginning of my talk, my parents, who are, my dad will be 90 this year, my mom's in her 80s, they are lifelong learners, right? So as a leader, you have to continue improving yourself because if you expect the team that you're leading to improve and strive, they have to see you getting better too, right? Learning new skills, the world is always changing, so picking up new techniques, trying new things, you have to make that intentional choice that you are going to be a lifelong learner of leadership if that's what you aspire to be. So it is a very, I think it's an incomplete lifelong goal to continue to get better. Well, building on what Joe said, I think practice, practice, practice, and be open to failure and learn from that. I often ask students working on what to fund their resume, think of something really challenging or hard that you did. How did you learn? How did you do it? Or what are you most proud of? There are a couple of key skills that I find I talk about quite a bit. One is management of change, because we're always managing change. If it's working fine, you're not gonna be working on it, you're either fixing a problem or making it better. Influencing without authority is a lifelong skill, not just when you're the new hire, and you realize you have no authority, but you're always influencing broader, than those around you. And just being able to be effective with a wide range of people, being able to be sensitive, seek first to understand and then be understood, good listener, modifying your style, how to be effective regardless of who you're with, where you are in the world, and what situation you're in. There's one that I always talk about, and anybody who knows me will understand why I always talk about it, but I think a very important part of leadership is never buy into negativity. Even if you're in a losing proposition, if your team's getting beat 60 to nothing, don't give in to negativism, okay? If you have to lead, people like to follow positive. No matter what they say, no matter how they act, people respond to positive leadership, and they respond less to negative leadership, okay? Especially in the cultures that you're likely to operate in, you know, as an engineer. So however you do it, whatever personality you bring to a problem, try to buy into being more positive, especially if you have to lead people, okay? Lead people by positive example, it works. Very well said. I just want to add that if possible, try not to say or do unkind things to other people. I think that's a good golden rule of behavior. So I've observed, I've known Dave's father and parents for over 30 years, and what I observed was that they're always very kind, very calm, never said one unkind word to anybody, and always compassionate and helpful, and I think those are the good traits of being good leaders. I admire those people and adore those people. Thank you, and we'd like to open for questions from audiences. I mean, go talk, by the way, I enjoy that a lot. So I think it was one of the first questions you answered about you were talking about your company, and you said you were able to double revenue in five years. So I'm interested in that. For a manufacturing company, what did you do, okay, to double revenue in five years? I mean, for a manufacturing company, I'm just curious. What did you do? So we were, as I look back on that journey, we had always been a technical leader in the field of CMP, but we felt that there could be some things holding us back. One thing that we did is we reorganized the company to be more of a GM model for this, I'm sorry, we'll get into a little bit more specifics then, but we used to be very matrix, we went to a GM model because I like that clear accountability for things like revenue growth. So that was very helpful for us. We set very simple metrics about what we wanted to accomplish, and we over-communicated those to the organization. So we set a goal to grow at 8% every year, which gets you to roughly double. We grew much more than that, and we over-communicated that to the organization. And then the other thing that we did is that we really focused on our company culture. And this was a long-term investment. This wasn't next year we'll get a return. We started measuring our company culture, and then talking about the attributes that could be holding us back. One thing that we learned is we were a really risk-averse culture. And that's sometimes neither good or bad.  But as a technology company, operating in a risk-averse culture might have been holding back some of those R&D or commercial risks that could take us to another level. So we wanted to, as a leadership team, accentuate informed risk-taking as one attribute that might help us drive revenue growth. And in fact, over time, we were able to measure our culture, and culture's a measure of how things are done, regardless of whether I'm here or the management team is there. And we were really encouraged to see that risk-taking was really, really changed over the five or 10 years that we were measuring it. And I think that, as I look back, was one of the key things that allowed us to unlock our own talent as a company and grow our top-line revenue so significantly. We also caught a great wave in the semiconductor industry, so you have to be lucky as well. But I think those changes that we made also contributed to our success. Wonderful. You talked a lot about the important traits of leadership, golden rule, how to develop as a leader. One thing I'm very interested in, though, is you're continually improving, you touched on that before, and how, as a leader, can you best learn from other leaders? How can you collaborate on a level where you might not be the one in charge, but you're taking direction? Yeah, so for me, and I think it was Joe that mentioned, even as CEO, you have a boss. I think I had seven board members, so I had seven bosses, plus the shareholders, right? You always have a boss in this world, but I think besides that, I think if I put it to a practical level, today in the day and age that we live in, I find it incredibly accessible to hear and learn from some of the foremost leaders in the world. So one thing I did during the two-hour drive-up is made a bunch of phone calls, but listened to a bunch of my favorite podcasts on leadership, people that interview leaders and learn from leaders, that's free. That's amazing to me, that you can pick that up any time you want, as long as you make the time for it. Reading, obviously, is another opportunity to do that, but I think in this day and age, it's so accessible. You could take a master class. You surround yourself with the right network. Tons of opportunity to do that, even virtually. So I think it's all about having that motivation to look at what is available to me in my current situation and find things that fit into your schedule or your interest. Hello, sorry. Hello, I would like to ask how was your, how did the location, where you work have an effect on your experience? Right, so my location, I've lived in Asia for the last 15 years. I was 10 years or so in Shanghai and the last three or four in Singapore. A bit unique in that we're a US public company. For our business, it fit well and turned out later to be an unexpected benefit for us. And I'll talk about that in a little bit. But for me, I started as head of Asia, semiconductors as we saw today from the talk. There's a lot of production that happens in Asia and we had half our employee base in Asia. So for me, starting in Asia was really important. And when I had the opportunity to become CEO, my only request to the board was I was, I wanted to continue to be based in Asia. I would travel a ton, but I wanted to be based in Asia so I could be close to our customers, close to our team there. And that was the fastest growing part of our business. The unintended benefit that we found was because of that, and part of that's just the way I lead is, I'm not the one to make all the decisions. So I'm not in headquarters every day. We have a very dispersed leadership team. We didn't see the pandemic coming, but then everyone got locked down and we had to operate virtually. And I felt like unintended, but we had a benefit of operating that way sort of already so that people weren't waiting for me to make all the decisions. They were empowered to make the decisions for them and their team were ready. And we were already operating it as a dispersed team to begin with. So my location I think has been a benefit for us for me in my career, but obviously every situation is different. Extending that question to other panelists, do you want to chime in on the location? Yeah, I'm gonna have compliment what David said about location. And I'm gonna be a little contrarian because you as students have grown up, partly at Peer Purdue with the pandemic and we do a lot of things virtually and that's great. Our economy can still operate even during a pandemic, but since leadership depends on people, people depend on relationships. One aspect of location, if you want to be a great leader and you have a dispersed organization is you better be willing to travel. You better be willing to meet people in person. Virtual is fine once you know people, but if you try to do all your business virtually from one location, you're not gonna be very successful. You've got to be willing to travel if you have a dispersed organization.  More that I care to admit. And I'll just double click on that for a second is I would not have been able to do that as if I was hired in as CEO and then just went virtual. I spent 15 years at headquarters and so I had those relationships, that credibility. So when I moved to Asia, those sort of went along with me. And then along the way, I travel a lot. So I was probably on a plane back to the US every month, much to the dismay of my family, but that was sort of the trade off of the location. Hi, thanks for the discussion so far. I guess this is kind of an extension to previous question I was asked about listening to leaders. How do you know from all of your experiences as leaders, how do you know when it's time to change? How do you know, say, when to take criticism from others, when to change your behaviors, your habits to better yourselves, better your groups? How do you approach that? That's a great question. I'll give it a try here. You should always be a good listener. Take criticism sounds a little harsh and always remembering that everything comes from that individual's perspective. Whoever may be giving you feedback. So there is a truth in there based on their perspective if you kind of think of it that way. And I always say feedback is a gift. Remember that because it's kind of hard to take a lot of times. But then when to change, I would say if you're thinking about you're in a certain job, when should you change? When you're not learning anymore, when you're just repeating what you've been doing over and over. So just that continual growth in learning I think is what brings a lot of magic to our career. One thing that helped me early in my career was on feedback is assume good intent. Assume good intent for people that are giving you feedback. And as Beth mentioned, try to find that kernel of that feedback that is valuable to you and help you get better about it. So that helped me early in my career. You want to change if you can every day. The world is moving very quickly. Their industry is driving it. Electronics are driving it. The double E's are driving it. So you have to be willing to change every day. And you have to make sure that the people around you feel safe telling you the truth. You're gonna find the truth out eventually. You should find that out as fast as you can. And the people around you have a different perspective. And they can be very valuable to helping you change and get better all the time. This is kind of a question for everyone, but David earlier you mentioned how you found in your, when you were kind of evaluating your company culture, was that you had a very risk averse culture. So I was wondering, what are sort of methods or avenues you would use to change the culture of an organization or company? Yeah, great. And it's a topic I have a lot of passion around. And as I think back again, one of the keys to our success. It takes time, right? So again, culture is, the way I define it is, how business is conducted without the rules and mission statements. It's actually how business is done, right? So how employees and how the team members think it's the right way to conduct business. And that's how we thought about the company culture. So how we want about it is, again, we're engineers at heart too. So we wanna measure everything, right? So we measured the culture on a series of seven attributes and then as a management team, we went away and said, okay, what are the attributes that could be hindering us? So risk aversion was one. And then we communicated to the entire organization, here's where we are today. And here's a few attributes that we would like to change about our company culture that we think could benefit our company performance, where we all aspire to go and it'll be great for all of us as shareholders of the company, right? And so that's where the journey started. And then we have to, as leaders, role model that behavior. So if we're trying to talk about informed risk-taking, well, we have to model that as a leadership team. Are we taking chances on how we do promotions or are we taking chances on intelligent acquisitions for the company? We've made several acquisitions over time. And then we communicated that in a way that was consistent with what we are trying to emphasize as a culture. And then we kept measuring, right? So we wanna measure and see what changes were made over time. And again, going back to the data, which was really quite encouraging, risk aversion was the number two highest attribute of our culture. By the end of my time as CEO, it was the bottom. As measured by our organization. So that means that you can actually intentionally change a culture over time. And we thought that was important to our overall performance too. But take communication, role modeling and reinforcement. And again, communication, ton of communication. Other thoughts on changing culture? That's a powerful example. I would just say what he said aligns exactly with my experiences in history. And there's a good kind of quotable quote. If you're gonna try to institute a change in an organization that's inconsistent with the culture, you will fail. Because the culture always wins. So you have to change the change or change the culture. Which you demonstrate so well. So I was thinking about like you're all very, well, I guess very comfortable in a leadership position at this point. But is there like a starting point or is there like a graduate process that makes you realize, oh, I really need to pick up leadership? Or was it like, oh, I just really like to forge good relations with people? How does that start and how does that grow? Great question. You have to be happy in what you do. I mean, first of all, you have to make a living, right?  And what kind of leadership position? Do you wanna do a technical leadership position? Do you wanna run a company? Yeah, you're going to get many opportunities in your life to lead. You have to decide when you want to lead. You don't always have to lead either. Sometimes you can be a good teammate, right? So I think first of all, as a student and as a young professional, you have to decide what can I be happy doing? What do I like? And then decide whether leadership is part of that, okay? You don't have to be the CEO of a company to be happy, right? You can be a tremendous contributor to the society, not being a formal leader. I always ask the question of my students, who's more important? You can pick your own historical figure, but is that historical figure more important than their mother, right? They both make contributions, right? The historical figure is famous, but their mother, they wouldn't be there without their mother, right? So not everybody has to be a formal leader. You can lead a lot of ways, right? My wife does an enormous amount of leadership, and she does formal leadership too, but she exerts an awful lot of leadership in our home, okay? Well, I think leadership is a lifelong task.  So this is, there's no end or no beginning or end. I think we're always leading somebody. So I think we discuss all kinds of qualities to be a good leader. I think you heard from all this good advice. So my feeling is you start with yourself, to be a good person, to be fair, to be honest, and to be open, to have good communication skills, and to have credibility, you inspire trust. I think those are the fundamental qualities. Then you can lead a group of people, but it doesn't matter if it's a small group or a large group. I think you get a satisfaction of being helping other people. I think you can define your roles, your contributions, small-scale or large-scale, it's up to you, and you can be a leader anywhere at any time. I think there's no beginning or end. I think you should start maybe now, as early as possible, to think about what are you leading. You can be a leader in many aspects and different ways. I would just add, a couple of things that have helped me along the way in my leadership journey is finding a way to really be authentic, of understanding who you are is important because the way I lead is gonna be different than how Beth or Joe or Linda leads, but I feel like it's who I am, and people want to see that authenticity as a leader. It's like instant, you can feel that whether people are being authentic or not, and so over time, that's something that I learned is if I share more about myself, that will help people get to know me and help me feel more comfortable, too. So you might notice in the beginning of my talk, I shared a picture of my whole family as a way of being authentic to who I am and may make people feel a little bit more identifiable with me. Another thing I would say is I recognize very early on that I'm an introvert, surprise, surprise, as an engineer, right? So understanding you're an introvert but you still have interest in leadership is not incompatible, right? You just have to understand what makes you, classic test case of an introvert is, do you get energized by meeting a lot of new people or does it take your energy away or something like that? So I am very conscious of where I am in that spectrum, and so even though I'm an introvert, I love to learn and try to be a better leader. So being authentic and knowing who you are in that journey I think is important. I just toss out when you say where do you start? There's a blog I really like called Leadership Freak and it just comes out every day, couple hundred words and hits different topics we've all mentioned up here. And one of my favorite books I read was The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Certainly is an American culture Seven Habits I will say but learned a lot from that. There's one other thing I like to share that I call the leadership secret weapon and I'd love to hear what the other panelists say about the secret weapon but if you have to lead people in difficult situations, figure out a way to have meals with them, have a breakfast with them, a lunch with them, a dinner with them. People tend to be more comfortable sharing, people tend to feel you're more authentic, people tend to think you're more of a teammate if you're willing to eat with them. It's a human thing, okay? I think it goes back thousands or millions of years, okay? So one of the things that President Jiski once asked me, how should we reward you? I said, well pay me for every calorie I eat on behalf of Purdue. I love that, I love that. As part of Discovery Park, when we formed Discovery Park, I counted with my wife one time, I ate three million calories on behalf of Purdue.  And that was an important part of that leadership. I'd like to know what you guys. That's a great skill set. I would always advise that as well if you can share a meal with somebody. It's a great way to get to know people and you also could see how they treat others. So it's kind of one of my favorite litmus tests is going out to eat with somebody. I'm so surprised that Joe is so thin still. I'm about three hundred pounds. So thank you so much. Amazing conversation. Thank you to our panelists and thank you for really excellent questions. Thank you, Elina. Thank you, Elina. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.


Alright what's up guys so I want to talk about the importance of sunlight in regards to lucid dreaming and you know sleeping better, energy and your overall well-being in general because so for those of you who don't know I've been travelling around Asia, I'm currently in Vietnam and I've been staying in this place which doesn't have any windows, it's part of a high-rise sort of apartment complex but for some reason there just aren't any windows so there's no natural light whatsoever coming into the room and before staying here I had no idea that it was this it had this much of an effect on your overall well-being because I've been feeling like fatigued a lot of the time and you know my wake-up time has been so it's been so difficult to wake up early normally I'll wake up anywhere between 6 and 8 in the morning but I've been waking up at sort of half 9 10 most days I have actually working up earlier a couple of days but it's been really difficult and the main reason for that is just that there's no natural light coming to the room and it made me think about the importance of the sun and how your circadian rhythm plays a huge part in your overall energy levels and you know how specifically how you can lucid dream but also how you can feel throughout the day so I just want to recap this I made a video a while ago and you know in which I spoke about the circadian rhythm how it affects lucid dreaming that sort of stuff but it this has really made me realize how important the sun and your circadian rhythm actually is to a huge number of different things and I just want to recap why that is so when the sun rises in the morning what happens is we get a spike of serotonin which is your one of your wake-up hormones this is similar to adrenaline but not quite the same it has a similar effect in that it sort of gets your blood flowing it gets your heart rate slightly raised and it generally wakes you up and makes you feel energetic now this isn't a sudden spike this is a sort of a gradual uprising in the if it was on a chart it will be sort of a gradual curve upwards throughout the early hours of the morning it wouldn't be a sudden spike and this happened when the sunlight enters our eyes it can even enter our eyes throughout eyelids because our eyelids are sort of the light can pass through our eyelids if it's bright enough right that's why if you close your eyes in the middle of the day you you find it hard to keep them closed because the sun or you know the natural light still passes through your eyelids and makes you feel like I should open my eyes so the sun still can pass through our eyelids and so what happens is in the early hours of the morning when the sun starts to rise most of us who don't have blackout curtains will experience a slow gradual rise of awareness and awakeness and this happens over the course of two or three hours most of the time we're not aware of this we just are aware of the fact that we wake up in a moment sort of in a split second and then we're awake for the day but what really happens is your body slowly wakes up over the course of about two hours based on the light right so the light will enter your eyes through your eyelids and gradually raise the levels of serotonin and a few various other different hormones as well to the point where it becomes so high in your in your body in your bloodstream that you wake up and this is where it crosses over with in terms of lucid dreaming in the early hours of the morning because you've already slept for a while you've got a lot of melatonin in your system as well so where these two crossover okay so where we'll get on to how melatonin works in a second but where these two crossover and you've got high levels of melatonin you've already had your deep sleep and you've had several stages of REM so you've had your restorative deep sleep but you're also raising your levels of serotonin because of the Sun rising you start to get into this sweet spot for OBEs and lucid dreams where they become much much more likely and I've always said this for any technique it's always much more likely that your lucid dream in the early hours of the morning than at any other time you know it's not even close you know it's much harder to lucid dream as soon as you go to sleep as you lay down then it is to lucid dream at 5 a.m. when you've already had a good few hours of deep sleep anyway and now recently I've been speaking about moving towards you know techniques are more natural and more soft I guess on your body things that don't involve the way back to bed in the wild and but even those even those techniques the the method that you're using is still going to be focused on lucid dreaming at that time of the morning that's just when it happens in the vast majority of cases the time that you lucid dream is the early hours of the morning regardless of which technique or method you're using so going back to the importance of the circadian rhythm it's really it really is important that you let that sunlight wake you up gradually over the course of two hours in the morning meaning it's important that you let the sunlight get into your room when it needs to so for me the best the best solution for this is to have cursions which are not completely blackout regardless of what some people may say but curtains which block out enough of the light that it's dark when you want to go to sleep but the curtains to also let enough light through in the morning if you have them closed now in an ideal world we would have really smart curtains which and you could they are on the market they're just quite expensive we'd have quite expensive smart curtains where we shut them at night or you know we press a button and they close themselves at night blocks all the lights out you go to sleep and then in the morning at a certain time they very slowly open before sunrise so that the Sun can rise raise your serotonin levels enter your your eyelids and your eyes and wake you up gradually so that you wake up with the Sun right and natural circadian rhythm this is the easiest way of doing that but the problem is those curtains with that mechanism like that that costs you know a lot of money for most people so most of us just close our curtains or not and let the world do its thing but looping this back to the problem here I'm staying in Vietnam like I said there's no natural light and so because I don't have that there's just no way of knowing when to wake up even if I set an alarm it doesn't feel like the morning it feels like I've been woken up at 2 a.m. where I haven't had enough sleep no matter what time the alarm is set for at the moment when I wake up it always feels like it's too early because there's no light there's no indication of what time it is other than my phone and unless I am disciplined enough to walk out across the room turn the lights on and then tell myself like right we're gonna wake up now it's very difficult it's very easy as well to just roll over go back to sleep and then before you know it's 12 o'clock and you just don't know when to wake up and it really is that bad like there's just no natural light in this room at all there's one balcony but it's like a sort of inside outside balcony there's no way of the Sun actually getting into the room so like I've said that's how serotonin works that's why it's important really important to have a way of the Sun entering your eyelids now what I haven't spoken about is melatonin now the way melatonin works is throughout the day especially as it gets darker and as you experience less blue or natural light and when I say blue I mean that can mean like a TV screen or a phone the less light you experience throughout the evening the more melatonin starts to rise in your bloodstream and in your body to the point where you become so tired that you pass out now that melatonin will sort of peak in your body some at some point during the night and then starts to decline now when the melatonin levels decline and meet the rising serotonin levels okay so if you imagine melatonin will peak like this as you start to experience more darkness in the evening and when the Sun goes down and then it will start to drop off throughout the night as you get closer to the morning now as you as you see this drop off here what will happen is so this is line melatonin stone this is a half-life of melatonin this slowly declining downwards serotonin will be slowly increasing upwards and where the two meet right where the two lines meet so you're rising serotonin and you're decreasing melatonin where they where the two hormones meet in the middle that is the sweet spot for lucid dreams and always has been that is a very very good time to have a lucid dream you're much more likely to do it no matter which technique you use and the lucky to last longer and be more vivid as well so the one challenge I want to issue for this this episode is just to just try and be more aware of your circadian rhythm and to try and get more in line with it so try and if you have natural light you know obviously for a few weeks I don't have any natural light here but if you have natural light try and let it enter your room in the morning as best as you can you know leave the curtains open a crack if you if you have to if they're dark curtains for example and in the evening try and turn out all lights and artificial light sources like your phone your screens and everything like that and if you have dimmer lights dimmer switches turn them down an hour before bed and just try and get into that relaxed state because the more melatonin you can build up in the evening the easier you're gonna find it to fall asleep this is a really good cure also natural remedy for sleep disorders and insomnia as well not all sleep disorders but the vast majority of them can be massively helped right not cured but helped by getting in more in tune with your circadian rhythm even if it's hard at first and you have to force yourself to turn off your screens and dim your lights in the evening after about a week your body will acclimatize and it will be very easy to continue doing that you know you'll start to feel tired when the sun goes down and your friends might say well why are you going to bed so early you know eight or nine or even half eight in the evening but it you'll feel better for it you know when you if you go to bed when the sun goes down and wake up when the sun rises you will feel so much better all right so go ahead and subscribe like leave a comment and I'll see you next time


You two team keep it clean. What's going on? It's engraving it with another video and in this video We are here to talk about the game Wow, that was a really really really really good game. That was a really really really good game really good game The we did talk about the game that we just finished watching between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New England Patriots That was a heck of a game man. I knew I knew it was gonna be a good one I know it's gonna be that good But that thing was great man and I did pick the Patriots to win in a close one, but man that thing was crazy man It was crazy But really quick before we get into this let me introduce myself and good evening everybody I appreciate y'all coming through but me. I'm engraving fits. This is my YouTube channel engraving fits, and I'm a Ravens fan And on here, I know I got on a Bucks jersey I just felt like wearing a Bucks jersey for this video because I don't get opportunities to wear the Bucks jersey that often And I know the Patriots one, but Patriots they got plenty of primetime games. They'll have plenty of games I'm gonna review in the future. I'm not sure how many how much bucks wheeled up. So Anyway, like I said, I'm a Ravens fan, but on this YouTube channel We talk about each and every NFL team that there is so if you're a Bucks fan Pat's fan if you're Ravens fan, no matter what team you are fan of Make sure you subscribe leave a like on the video and turn your notifications on too I mean turn notifications on so you don't miss any of these videos when they go live or when they go up as regular videos Y'all at least click that thumbs up button leave a like on the video too and come through man, but anyway Anyway You see the title of this video you see the title of this video. Yeah, we're gonna talk about Jimmy tomorrow I didn't forget. What's up, sir? Congrats. Look congrats on your pets Liars congrats on your pets Somebody asks Jared Jeremiah said did the Bucks choke? No, they didn't choke. It's just that they it was it was too Little too late too little too late now. Um, like I was saying you see the title of this video You see the title of this video Kickers matter to kickers definitely matter to they definitely do Nick folk that dude, he's gone. He's gone. He is gone his his his His job in Tampa Bay is done Rest in peace to it Possibly his career, but then that was the guy who used to kick for the Jets. He used to be on point he used to be on point and His he's done now. He's done in Tampa Bay. He's officially done, you know Whether they do it tomorrow Whether they do a Saturday or maybe they do a Sunday since they don't have a game It's gonna happen over the next couple of days. It's it's it's inevitable Nick folk will be out of there. He will be out of there. He will be gone This game showed that kickers they mean the world to these teams man They mean the world to these teams acts any Ravens fan. They'll tell you they'll tell you Kickers mean the world to the to the team. So Nick folk is gone man. He's gone. Um, now A Bucks fan my boy amazement. He said can can we get Justin Tucker, please? You know what? I'd be willing to do that if y'all take Justin Tucker and Joe Flacco and just give us James Winston Give us James Winston. I ain't even asking for the world I'm not even asking for Mike Evans to with the Shawn Jackson. I mean those would be a nice nice little combo, too But you give us James Winston and you can have Joe Flacco and Justin Tucker take both take both off our hands But anyway All right, Flamin. See you next time man. He said NFL needs to get rid of kicking all together No, this this is exactly what they wanted though. This is exactly what they wanted they want every single play to matter and that's why they made the rule change to the um To the field goals, that's why they made the rule change to the field goals. So every single kicker Every single kick would matter whether it's a field goal point after attempt all of that stuff That's why they made the changes for this stuff. Now, I know Roberto Aguayo was sitting back and watching this game Like ha ha Bucks gotcha I know he felt so good about this game.  He must think it's just something about the weather there He must think it's just something about the weather there Amazement said they had too much effect on the game to be sitting on the sideline all game. That's exactly what the NFL wants That's what they want. David Paul soon man soon soon But that's what the NFL wants. They want every single play to matter They want every single kick to matter now new England Like I said, they I did say they I did pick them to win this game But I did say it would be a game that I feel like the Bucks could win too and I wouldn't have been surprised if they were the one and They probably should have no, this is a James Winston they probably I can't say they should have won because they didn't but Nick folk man. He he played a huge role in this game tonight. He played a huge He says this why they call it football. Well, there you go, man He played a huge role tonight. Oh, yeah, see the freak Tony Romo has been great. I love Tony Romo's commentary I love his commentary man. This guy He the way he breaks down plays and he even caught he even calls the place before they actually happen I saw some video on Twitter the other day that I was showing of me might have been YouTube Which everyone I saw a video how I was talking about they were showing that told me Tony Romo He was calling all the plays before in a in a Titans and Raiders game He was calling all the plays before they actually did it before they actually happen and Like and he was on point and then he I saw I got to see him do it live because I watched the video I was like, hmm, that's kind of crazy. But then in this game. I got to see it live I'm like, man, this dude is nice man. Tony Romo had the transition from Player to straight to the booth and he did it just like that Just like that. He's been killing me. I love time Tony Romo's commentary I love it. I've been enjoying it a lot man. So, yeah Dallas is the remote gonna probably get her to the booth come week six But anyway Pat's got a lot of work to do man. No, no, this I don't have a mic. This is only bucks Jersey I got only James Winston. Well, Pat's got a lot of work to do Pat's The defense still I mean the defense play a little better this game. They were holding bucks they were they were They were holding them. They were keeping them from converting a lot of third down. Sorry I had I lost my train of thought my apologies They were keeping the bucks from converting a lot of third downs And they were taking points away from now shout out to the bucks because with Tom Brady They kept in it's it's every time that these analysts and these commentators put out these certain stats They jinx it every it never fails. It never fails Especially John Grunin. He's he's great for it, but They kept talking about at the beginning of the game. Oh Tom Brady, he's throwing 10 touchdowns and no interceptions all season What does he do? I think that very same job. They started talking about it through a pick Through a pick and the same guy that caught the pick. He almost caught another one He almost caught another one because it was a It was like a wheel routers some short route to the to the full back and Tom Brady threw it and the guy jumped it and they would have been his second pick It could have might even been a pick six, but the guy jumped it, but then he just dropped it.  There we go appreciate that amazing Justin Evans. Yeah, man It was it was close man, but he just dropped it. He just dropped it But he did he it was a real good jump a real good jump on that break on that break he passed But he just ended up coming up just short buck bucks, man I feel for bucks because they they did Offense wise they did enough to win They did enough to win on offense. Yes. I know they could have scored more touchdowns. Yes I know that but they did enough to win They lost by five points Nick folk missed three field goals He missed three field goals So that's nine points right there So again, they did enough to they did enough to win but It got to be all three phases of the game The defense did the defense did just enough the offense did just enough with special teams. That's where they let me That's where they lacked and I felt for I felt for because Nick folk man. He's that's a that's it man He's done. He's done now you flip it over to the Patriots. They obviously did just enough to win and they won They Shout out to Chris Hogan man. Shout out to Chris Hollywood Hogan. What's up, Kevin? Appreciate you coming through. Congrats, man Y'all make sure y'all leave a like on the video. It's 21 people in here, but it's only 13 likes. You got to fix that man Cheeseburg said these are the type of games that you can't win too many miss opportunities and small areas that cost them the game Yeah, man, there's enough football is weird I thought this game was gonna be high scoring and I thought the Rams diamonds game I think it was gonna be low scoring and it turned out to be the exact opposite. Yeah, man Yes, Cameron break. He those he got to improve his hands, man He got to get his hands consistent man. He got it. He got to get his hands consistent.  You just said see two eight bucks. Yeah, man that He oh man That was tough man. That was tough that kicker. He is that's it man That's it now who's gonna be that kicker now. Who are they gonna go sign? But I'm sure all the bucks fans are feeling right now like hey, it doesn't matter who he signed They can't be worse than a folk. They can't be do they bring a guayo back cuz I don't think he's signed I think he's a free agent right now. I don't know the martin grammatical. Oh, you went throwback Steve say bucks are making the playoffs. I like bucks man. I like them. I like what I'm seeing from I wish You know, it's always those little things that make the biggest difference of the game It's all it's always those little things that make the big biggest difference of the game Had remember that it was a third and I think a third and 11 Third and third and long. I forgot what the play was Third and long and I forgot what the distance was on on third down, but I'm James Winston drop back looking searching to Shawn Watson. I mean to Shawn Jackson. Excuse me. He got past the corner back open James Winston throws it just over Just over what's up, Erica? Oh He got cut from the charges. I ain't know that I even know I Even know but um, yeah, he just overthrew it. That was a game changer right there. That was a game changer Tom Brady. Oh real quick like I was saying I was saying though with Chris Hogan man that guy he Chris Hogan quietly just does his thing Chris Hogan just quietly does his thing. He's not a receiver that that makes a lot of noise What's up, Nefarati? your He said all I was girl garbage. Oh, yeah, but your past friend. I got it. He said, um, really quick Nefarati said hey, great. We didn't deserve to win this game on offensive line was garbage Yeah, I guess not I Guess not Doug Martin look good tonight. Our offense will look much better with him back Yeah, he did look he looks smooth. He looks smooth. So hopefully you don't get in trouble anymore We don't do anything that the NFL fans so he can continue to keep playing But yeah, Chris Hogan he kept he did his thing Amondola Amondola is looking every week in the first week in week one. It didn't look like he was gonna feel that role that Edelman He didn't he wasn't gonna feel Edelman's role But week after week he um, he's been getting more and more comfortable and looking more and more better Appreciate that major chaos. He said make sure to leave a like everybody make sure you leave a like on the video I appreciate that major chaos. Thank you but he's been He's been getting more and more comfortable in Julian Edelman's role. They've been put him in the slot He's been making a lot of plays. Um, they got him on punt return. He got a nice pump return today He got in a real nice pump return. Um, is that no it didn't get called back. It actually got yards added to it. So It's he's he's coming along quite nicely Um, he's coming along quite nicely now the bucks. Yes, big nick just made a good point. He said honestly bucks should be okay They have David Quan and war coming back get a kick and they can kick and we'll be in the playoffs now that's true because um They were missing a lot of guys on defense, but they still did their thing against the Patriots. They still did their thing They held their own They held their own Um, and they showed that they can they they can hang with them This was a very nice game. Oh, Jordan talking about Steelers nation, man I know y'all still feeling good after whipping us, man um, but they they held their own with the Patriots even without Uh, a lot of their starters a lot of their defense defensive starters um, now, I know Gronkowski didn't play too, but Patriots still they still make stuff happen without ground. I don't I know that Titans didn't really do anything It was just Hogan And if I say Edelman Hogan uh, Amondola Um, and the running backs coming out of the backfield got caught a lot of passes But also Brandon cooks there was one point of the game Where I was scared for bucks because it looked like Tom Tom Brady and Brandon cooks They were starting to get that rhythm. They were starting to get that rhythm. They were starting to get that connection And with some quarterbacks once they started getting that connection with the receiver. Oh, it's game over. It's game over but they didn't They didn't continue it the bucks. They they put they put a halt on that pretty quickly and they took care of business Uh, probably he said he'd been rocking the channel since oh since the old channel too. Appreciate that, man Oh, yeah.  So yeah, I appreciate that man He said he'd been with us since the old channel. Go back. Thank you. Appreciate that a lot man Thank you. I personally think the past have benefited from having a black wire receiver Randy Moss, um Or an ultra sink queen quaint newest thing neither the Reggie Wayne Um, but yeah, they get they get that speed they get that speed and that's something that they don't usually have too much So that gives them another element Uh for for that game. So yeah, that that definitely helps Um, what's going on rich? Appreciate you, man The only great thing you think the giant should tank or try winning as many games as possible Me personally, I don't ever think a team should tank because I know football is entertainment He's supposed to be doing this for the fans too. I know you do it for a paycheck But you do it for the fans these boys you try to put on a good show and whatnot. Um, I don't ever think anybody should tank um But in some cases though, if you if you have a bad enough office, it'll seem like you're taking every week Shout out to the Ravens, but anyway, um With uh with brady, um No, let's let's back up to the second half the no, excuse me before the second half the end of the first half Remember the end of the first half really quick before you get into that My boy mark said michael evan and michael evan said the past defense stepped up channel change So really quick, um Right before the uh the right before halftime bugs had the ball, um and Patriots had just got a field goal and bugs had like a minute left and they were trying to get to make something happen so They're driving down the field and then it's like Maybe like what 15 seconds left in the game. James Winston's drop back. He's looking to pass. He throws it and then Uh, then he got the Patriots defender Ran into him hit him hit him kind of late. Um got a rough in the passer that one I got that one understood it completely agreed with it. I say I get it Even though this in this the league the way it is now it's a little soft and we all know that but With the way that the league is it was a good call. It was a good call Now the very next play Same scenario The um, yeah, definitely was a wonderful game for the bucks mark. You're right Very next play same scenario. James Winston drop back looking searching The ball in completion, I believe and then James Winston number 15 Patriots, I don't know what his name is. It's not jonathan freany anymore because he's on the ravens, man But um number 55 for the Patriots ran into James Winston and it wasn't it wasn't even a hit. It wasn't a blow to the head. It wasn't It it was just it was nothing Um, but they ended up calling it a rough in the passer And I was like what now I understood the first one, but that's second when I was like No, that that was not a rough in the passer. That was a bad call But either way they moved into a field goal range and I got to put those air quotes for a reason because nick folk um They I saw a tweet that says something like oh, um Uh, they were talking about what one of the commentators what the one of the commentators said that Oh, that penalty just took the um just took the the bucks out of field goal range and the tweet the tweet said The bucks don't even have a field goal range because they can't kick they can't make any field goals um But nick nick folk kicked the field goal right before half time after those two penalties and he missed it He missed it now on the um, he kicked another field goal There was the the one that hurt them the most and it hurt it hurt me too. Yeah, that was a long kick That was a long kick But it's like he said he would rather see them throw the hill Mary It's like with that is it's tough because his hindsight is obviously always 2020 So that means looking back you always gonna You you always gonna feel like you know what what would have been best or what you would have rather than do And it's tough because yeah, you With a with a long field goal kick. It's not even a guarantee that it's guaranteed points um What no what am I I'm saying it wrong. I'm saying wrong. Excuse me. Let's let's run that back Uh a field goal a long field goal kick versus the hill Mary It's it's not like either one has a higher probability Of being converted into points um Because my boy amazement said he would rather them see do a hill Mary on that play before halftime instead of going for that field goal So what they say I think was a 56 yarder And I mean nick nick folks he's been in the league long enough. Um I don't know. I mean, it's like I said hindsight is 2020. It's tough. It's tough looking back It's it's tough looking back because you always think especially these games these close games like this You always think could have with a shooter and like man, what would have happened if we did this or that would have happened on that Playoff that would have happened on that play. It's tough man, especially these these uh these Close ones, but yeah that that's the one out. Okay. It was a 31 yarder um So yeah, that was the one that I think hurt them the most because What's up, anthony? That was the one I I think hurt them the most because with that the 31 yarder. It was like a give me field goal You just you just knew it was gonna go in they were so close nick folk was right there I felt like the the field goal the um The upright were right there in front of the team And he just missed it man. He just missed it completely It was like one of those where It's one of those plays where you just feel like, okay, you know what let me go get a drink Let me go to the bathroom real quick since they about to go to commercial break anyway He's about to kick this field goal and I'm gonna just go do what I had to do real quick And then I come back I might go make me a sandwich or something or whatever But he missed it he missed it and That's rough man That was rough. I think May if he if he might have made that um, then Maybe he might have still had a job. I don't know though, but hey again It's too late now. It's too late. He had too many minutes. He missed three field goals, man He missed three field goals The difference with kickers man. See the stouts the the stouts he scored what 12 points tonight He kicked four field goals That kicked four field goals Say for instance, he misses he misses his field goals. That's 12 points patriot score seven That's game bucks win bucks win Just kickers Kickers matter so much in this game, man Kickers matter so much in this game um, but so does quarterbacks So the quarterbacks uh, james winston He did his thing, man. He did his thing. I mean tom brady both him and tom brady. They struggled throughout um They didn't they didn't score many points like tom brady scored one touchdown um to chris hogan james winston He got one touchdown Um, and it no, excuse me. Did he no no no he got two right Wait a minute, but he Maybe he oh with me to say winston's all right. He has accuracy issues though. Maybe that's because he can't see Maybe that's because he can't see Because you know james winston ever since college And ever since his college days at fsu. He always He always doing that always squinting his eyes all the time So maybe maybe that's why if he got accuracy issues But I like him man. I think he's improved man. I like Just um I just appreciate uh quarterbacks improving um Just being a ravens fan man. Oh marlin got it. There we go. Thank you appreciate that um being a ravens fan is it it makes you appreciate um being able to see quarterbacks evolve and take that next step um during a regular season and Reason being reason I say that is because we're flak off like he um, he's reg he's regressed uh over the Over his career. I feel like he's almost going backwards um So it's tough man Yeah, it just makes me appreciate seeing quarterbacks go forward in their career this guy been playing 10 years He's going backwards winston been playing. This is his third year and he's going forward. So Is there a little jealousy in there? Yeah, it is it is I mean, I know he got the superbowl and I appreciate that but I still wanted some good follow-up too, man But anyway, that's another subject for a whole another video. We'll need to get into it right man Yeah, major chaos. You're right. You're right. Um, Yeah, lyos too. He said enough of the hypothetical situations Uh, when is the win and that's true. That's true So it's like yeah, we could look back. We could analyze every single play from the entire game and what should have went down What could have went down and what would have happened and whatever? But that's why That's why the game is played man That's why the game is played any given sunday or any given sunday monday thursday Sometimes saturdays So it's any given day anything could happen any team for win Uh, that's why football is the best best sport in the world and it ain't even close even close Even close basketball Football is miles ahead of basketball baseball To everything football is miles ahead of every sport every sport And the reason I say that is because it So what do you think was came new and said I First with the whole came new thing I read the I read it on twitter at first and i'm like man. He said that. Did you really say that? I read it and then i'm like, hmm. Is it is that bad? Not saying is it bad like is what he said bad, but Did he say it in a way that was what he said really that bad? Um, so I said, you know what? Let me watch the video Let me watch the video. So I watched the video and i'm like That's what everybody's tripping about Seriously, they blew that thing up and even doing this game. Thanks for bringing that up to even doing this game I don't know if y'all saw it with um It was right at halftime Deion Sanders and bill coward were talking about Um bill cow was like, oh, yeah, he he gave an apology But he needs to really show that he's really sorry for what he did and his actions need to speak louder than his words He was getting on he kept bringing them down bring them down bring them down But deion sanders was like hey came new and apologize. So let's leave it at that. He apologized Who are we to say if he really meant it or not? If he he apologized, so it's it's not that serious Just he let it go and move and deion sanders said we need to just move on And i'm like, man, thank you beyond wow So glad ray lewis wasn't up there talking because he a whole guy he would have made it about himself So thank thank goodness. Um, but bill coward just kept trying to drag it drag it drag it drag him like, what are you doing, man? Just drop it. It wasn't it wasn't He didn't like degrade women. It just it was It was yeah, like like uh, I forgot who said it. I think it was me. Yeah, it was it was way overblown Oh zeke said it too. Yeah, it was it was not that serious when they made it. Yeah, because when I read it I was like, oh, wait a minute. I was like, come on. Can't what you doing, man? come on can't but then after After watching the video because I had to youtube that thing I was looking for the video on twitter for a little bit But I said, no, I know you too got everything. So I youtube it and I saw it. I say, oh, that's that really come on, man that That's nothing That's nothing. Yeah, they try to call the sexist and all that. I'm like, uh, poor what are y'all trying to do, man But anyway, here's what it is, man Here's what it is. That's That's that's the media. Well, that's what the media is there for blow everything up at a proportion everything everything Y'all yeah, that's a license that's that's smart. He said media loves to twist words. That's why bill bellichick says nothing Yeah, when he's doing his interviews that dude will have the driest interview in the world and he will say Everything that he says, uh, he he says stuff to a bare minimum So even when you try to take his sound bites, you can't even like make anything up You can't blow anything. He says out of proportion On to next game on to Cincinnati on to whoever and done He's done and he'll what what I like what bill bellichick does in his uh in his presses He will if if you don't um If you don't know Sorry Lost my train of thought because I was reading the comment. Um No, yeah, David, you right you do got to watch what you say when you're a role model But I don't think it was it it wasn't as serious as people were making it. Um, they really did blow it out of proportion um, but with bill bellichick. Oh if if He says something Whether you don't agree whether you don't like it You try to ask him the same question in a different way.    See with that, I don't I don't know all the details on that one, man. Only zeke knows the girl knows and Whoever I did for so with that. I don't know. I don't know. I can't say for that one Uh trace it. I took it the same way as a woman knowing the ins and outs of a car engine We're so used to seeing male mechanics. It would normally throw you off by a woman's knowledge of the subject. Oh That's such a great point. Sound like you've been having this conversation all day today. That's a really great point, man I'm just here. So I won't be fine. So that was safety. Yeah, I have to march on lynch me. Um, so, yeah But that's that this was a great game, man. This was a really really really really really great game I love those games where um, all right Elias appreciate you Like he had a rough new year. No, I'm tired though. I during at the beginning of the game Um, I was laying in bed because today's been a long day Um, I was laying in bed and I was actually trying to go to sleep I was trying to go to sleep But I couldn't caught it. He kept playing. He kept he got this big Uh, this big emoji ball. He kept feeling it at me. He kept playing. I said, okay He didn't let me go to sleep. So I couldn't but um It's all good, but end up watching a real good game. I love, um, I love those games where you can walk away Um from it and be like, man That was such a great game That was such a great game and this this was one of This was a really really really great game really really great game Yeah, we five is definitely going to be something. That was an awful play call to call that time out Which one you talking about mildew? Which one you talking about? Um, but yeah, this this was a really great game very entertaining. Um It came down to the very end came down to the very end The thing that passed that um went sent through They said that he was all the bucks last time. Okay. They said that he was expecting The receiver to turn around look for the ball but the receiver ain't even turn around and see it. So That was it But yeah, I appreciate that Koleppy. Thank you. Hey, what's up cloud? And the Patriots are in big trouble escaping games of this type of team The Patriots have is unacceptable. You're right, man. You're right. We five is going to be dry Let's see, man, but Raven Ravens with the four o'clock game Raven who is somebody else that plays at four uh at 425 I forgot who it is though, but it's it's a game that's it's on a different channel I think it's on fox and the Ravens game will be on cbs. So I think might not even need to stream for that game But we'll see anyway appreciate y'all man. Thank you. Um, He said that's a cool four o'clock game Oh, yeah, I'm scared of ej man. You I'm scared of ej man. You Jimmy Smith. Yeah, we're gonna talk about jimmy smith tomorrow, man We're gonna talk about all those people tomorrow. Um, hopefully by then well, um I'm sure we'll have more news on about whatever we'll see. Um, do you think the radius will do good with ej? Yeah, I do think so If I appreciate that, uh, jesus is my barber magnantosh. Thank you Uh, if manual outplay is flakko. We got issues Oh, we may just have some issues Oh, shout out to my boy jb smooth. He had um tagged me in a tweet real quick I know this ain't got nothing to do with this bucks and uh, Patriots game But he tagged me in a tweet that said the um Oh, I saw a tweet that said ej manual didn't have players to work around I saw it a tweet that said that same thing too. Um, I think it was from his old coach or something like that I forgot who said it but anyway, um He said we got issues then. What's up stashy? I saw it. I saw a tweet that um Um, oh, it was a stat that said the raiders haven't caught an interception all season I was thinking what Really? It said the raiders haven't caught an interception all season and then right under it say it said that um It said that like it said that what flakko would say. All right. Hold my beer Meaning, you know, what's going down He will be said he do 11 in a row soon flakko out here breaking records, man The dude's breaking records. What if this guy goes every game? What if what if flakko goes every game with throwing a pick? It's possible It's possible man It's And not saying that we would lose every game, but it is possible. That's That's a scary scary thought man scary thought Now Derek are not going to be playing this game, but um They said he was practicing sounds like oh boy He said he was practicing since I was like oh boy, but He ain't gonna be playing in this game, but I'm still like oh boy He literally has a pick every game if it's late in the game You have no faith in joe bro. No, I'm not Not that I don't have any It's just frustrating because he's very inconsistent. So I know what he can do I know he can turn it around but I just know he's very inconsistent. So even if he turns it around then He'll run it back again so He'll end up being the same old joe. I mean, that's what we've been going through for the past 10 years nine 10 years So Here's what it is, man Imagine if you guys were picked up joe hater In your opinion does brady look every day of 40 the defense not support the offense enough Brady been looking solid. He's been looking solid. Um, now the defense has been a little lackluster Um, but the offense they They got to pick it up too, man It's on both of them because you can have Just because you have a bad defense doesn't mean that you can't have a good offense um, so yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah everywhere. I love flakko, man. Oh, he's got love for flakko. He's very frustrated Very frustrated and I'm ready for them to be done with him But the way that they the way that his contract is set up We We got we ended we ended with joe for the long run.  Honestly, I would be surprised but I wouldn't be mad it's like He just just hasn't been good, man This hasn't been good. Um When when your best season is 27 touchdowns to 12 interceptions That's your best season of your career. It's kind of sad, man Kind of sad really the money wouldn't matter if you drafted a quarterback and started fresh without him having a rookie contract Oh with him having a rookie contract Well, yeah, the the rookie qb's money wouldn't matter But flakos would because flaco hit that money is um Duh, he said tony rumble to the ravens. Hey, what's up, man? I had to get him out the booth But that that money that the flaco was is is and would be counting against the cap It's um, it's a lot big chunk of it. Um Numbers don't mean everything Yeah, you're right the quality quality play does And flaco has not been producing quality play Simple as that. I mean It that's people. That's not even ravens fans. They know that Um, and but people that are ravens fans definitely know that because we see it firsthand We've been seeing this for the longest um The only time That we know for sure like I always say the only time we know for sure We're gonna get a great game out of flaco is in the playoffs It used to be in the playoffs and in the stealers game But we saw what happened last week We saw what happened last week. So apparently still his games don't even they like whatever now and There's some people talking about they feel like flaco don't care anymore But we're gonna we're gonna talk about that tomorrow We're gonna talk about that tomorrow. They finesse a browns moving the old trade flaco to the 49ers of jets I wouldn't be mad at that. I would like to see that happen. But hey, we'll see It's more about hardball what he's doing. It's time to build the ravens back into a powerhouse same thing They've been complaining about But in pit your coach has to lead You know, do say just one game What do you mean? It's been No, it's been every game, man It's been every game. Um He didn't need to do anything He didn't need to do anything in week one because the defense did all the work Flaco didn't need to do anything He didn't he didn't need to do too much in week two because the defense again. They did all the work In week three um Oh Jacksonville.  It's on y'all. It's on y'all Off what it all what if flaco and the offense do they score a point Flaco and the offense didn't score a point Now mallard came in at the end of the game got them points, but flaco and the offense ain't do a thing now um Then play stealers You play still you your record is two and one You got stealers at home rivals These dudes ain't beat you at home since what 2010 I think You got these you got these dudes at home stealers at home What do you do? Lay up a dud just played terrible is what it is, right? So they two and two So he said stealers gonna sweep us now But yeah, they I mean they two and two so the record The record indicates that the season is no even if we were on for the season wouldn't be over um But well if we were on for we would have had a loss to the grounds Bengals and stealers Hmm So that would have been on three in the division and the best we could have done would be three and three Three and three in the division if that would have been the case. But anyway, um, oh, they haven't beat us at home since 2013 Also, it must be with ben rozzburg. It hasn't beat us Since 2010 at home, but either way all that stuff don't even matter Um, because they beat us Then they didn't just win against us.  I used to know every game before we were gonna play it But it ain't like that anymore Not that I'm not excited for the games, but It just it's not the same man It's not the same. We've been losing for so long. Okay, so we play the raiders Uh, so ej may we play the bears and the rookie mr.  No, I'm being honest. I'm scared for that game. I don't Oh boy, we'll see And we might not even had jimmy. Oh, okay. We'll wait for the video for tomorrow Then we play the vikings Oh, let me play dolphins. Mm-hmm. All right, the game came out sooner than I thought Oh, we play at the Titans at the Packers Prices to Texans lions.  I never felt this way just after four games. I never felt this way just after four games It's weird, man It's weird. I usually usually you have so much Optimism and hope Going into the season and didn't especially even four games four games into the season. It's but now it's like It's like, uh, I just don't know um He said it's too early to lose as much faith. It's not about that. It's just about uh It'll be like drake last night. I took the help but today I bounced back I mean, they've they've been taking a lot of ails, man. That offense has been an ill the whole season really um The thing about me it ain't that oh, I know people like oh and gravy giving up on your team Ain't that is that I'm tired of um I'm tired of the same issues not being addressed I'm tired of the same issues not being addressed. Um Offense has been a problem for a long time now a long time defense has been fine Past two years defense has been fine um Yeah, don't matter. He says don't matter as long as don't matter who you playing just as long as flaco to play If flaco is playing the way that he's playing Don't matter who you going against But the the defense has been fine But it's the offense man Offense offense Yeah, it ain't just flaco. You're right. It's offense offense offense offense So that's flaco. That's the receivers That's everything offensive line, but flaco even with a good offensive line, man Flaco has been this way for a long time.  I can't you the back thing ain't no excuse for me If his back was really issue, he shouldn't be playing at all Jeremiah said, would you get rid of joe? Yes? I wanted to I wanted them to get rid. I wanted them to get rid of him like a year or two ago Um, I'll appreciate that anything. Thanks a lot Ravens were tied with New England after the night. You got a real chance mainly against Oakland But offense is hurting the defense can't win the season one sided if you do it's very very true Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, means we're gonna talk about that too. What we were we were rated like 16 I think um And it's like a mix of things like yeah flaco he he plays he plays bad a lot of times, but then um There was a stat. I meant to take a screenshot of it. So I wouldn't forget Um, he said get the nfl.com package for seven days. You can see I tried to say I was um, there was a stat that came out by the quarterbacks who faced the most pressure Um, I think it had the top 10 guys who faced the most pressure And it had the bottom 10 guys who faced the least pressure flaco was not on either list Meaning he's not we he's not on one of the top 10 teams that That uh faced the least pressure, but he's not on one of the the top 10 teams that faced the most pressure So there's a lot of people that come through and I understand they love the ravens I love the ravens too. Love them. Love them for a while now Um, but a lot of people would try to be like, oh, yeah, flaco's always facing so much pressure It's the offensive line. It's not a just on Joe flaco It's the offensive line. You can't blame flaco. Don't do that. No Flaco plays a major part in this whole thing to me So here's what it is. We'll talk tomorrow. We're gonna talk about that tomorrow We got a lot of stuff to talk about tomorrow with these ravens. It's Friday But anyway appreciate y'all man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Thank you. Appreciate that area. Appreciate y'all man. Thank you for coming through again Make sure you leave a like on the video if you haven't already. Um, congrats congrats to the pats and Hey For bucks don't feel bad. You'll have a new kicker in the next couple of days um You have a new kicker the next couple of days Nathan say he just got a contract and gave up. I mean Never know Never know Never know. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow. 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