, right? He didn't initiate the greeting and you said of course I wouldn't why would I wait for them to greet me? So how in all of this are you muslims the better people or the bigger people? How are you promoting good interpersonal values when you can't even summon up the The cheek to say oh assalamu alaikum to somebody that doesn't believe in your religion. Are you that petty? I give you a chance to respond Muhammad and then we've got to go to the next question Oh, yeah One second. I well one second. I just wanted to for Muhammad's going to respond to kind of There's there's an additional part to that. It's not just don't greet people Until they greet you first It's forced them to the narrowest part of the road as well.  So so what okay based on what you just said? What's what's your interpretation when God says do not debate with the people of the book except with what you can find As best like so don't hate and do not like say negative things and bad things to them unless they oppress you So you're taking to maybe specific events where it is applicable if me and you are fighting, right? I'm more loyal to your god. So your god is my god. There is only one god We're trying to get closer to that god the god of Abraham So if you're showing this loyalty and you're saying insultive stuff about god and me and you started to fight At that point, I'm not even going to put you in the corner of the road I'm going to make sure you don't even get close to me not in physical ways But I'm going to I'm going to try to abuse you because you're trying to abuse what what god told you not to do You're breaking your own religion at that point It's a sense of loyalty and this is what the world is about If you're not loyalty the country that you're living in and you're showing Like ways to to hurt the people around you. They're going to jail you Got to jump to the next one. This one coming in. Well, that's right So this one came in earlier from deep drinks podcast says this debate is over with one verse koran 434 it's actually a little bit harder for me compared to looking up like new testament or old testament verses I think this is the verse that corresponds with 434 434 434 is is is the verse that says That if you're if you fear different translations will say, you know rebellion or something like that from your wife, then you first warn her And then if that doesn't work again, assuming that this is escalating You warn her banish her to beds apart and then beat her let's see The the way I've been this is hard for me because it's it says really long It's like a whole paragraph Which is why I'm but I've checked multiple websites to be sure that I've got the right one But let's let's take it on what David had said Muhammad in finding truth I want to give you guys a chance to respond since David already spoke Yeah, so Just a little comment It is not consensus with Muslims that you do not return the salam to an un-Muslim Actually, Ibn Masood Abu Darda'a, Abu Umamma and Omar Al-Adlaziz the famous caliph had no issue with it It's probably contextual because Jews in Medina at a point of time were twisting the words of salam making it Sam Which means death? So probably the context was don't start until you listen to what the kind of salam that is throwing at you So that there is no animosity but later when Islam was established And Muslims and Christians became part of the community There are other Adilla and other Ahadith that says that there is no issues with and the Actually the actual doing of prominent Sahaba like Ibn Masood. They had no issue with it So this is just to close that other point now Surah 4 ayah 34 is talking about treatment Of wives actually so Yeah, so Okay, so if you if you compare that to I don't know western secular standard, you will have an issue If David compares it to his own religion, I'm not sure if he will have an issue or not If there was a Jew sitting here comparing it to his own religion I'm not sure he will have an issue or not. But anyway, the Islamic concept is that The family is a unit the family solves its issues inside the family There are specific authorities giving given to the The wife and the husband In terms of dealing with the internal issues of the family However, it is not like for example, not really I said that the right for example to make divorce is unilateral If a woman does not like her husband She can actually seek divorce if the husband does not like to give divorce She can actually seek khula and get out of the family Is it true that in the Quran in that specific ayah, there is a hierarchy or there is a step by step Way to deal with disobedience in the family from the part of the life towards the husband Yes, it is true. The three steps that are described in the Quran are in the Quran. I cannot be Honest and say no, they are not or reinterpret them. I don't like this way However, I can tell you How the prophet the grand interpreter or commentator of the Quran Handled this verse the prophet himself at a point of time Before the ayah came down prohibited hitting of wives all together And then a specific incident happened and then this ayah came down And the prophet sunnah is that if he wants to punish he will poke with a suwek As a way to explain that it has it has gone beyond reason or beyond Being able to talk about it When things went completely out of line the prophet would actually Not talk to his women. It has not been recorded at any point of time that he has hit it with his women So this is my comment on that. Yeah Thank you very much. This one coming in from Okay, I'm sorry. Can I respond to that or do we not have time if it's really short and pithy because you've got Really really quick. Uh, Ahmed the the khulla is a later development that we see in countries like tinezia pakistan all of this It doesn't come directly out of the islamic scripture And second of all what you're trying to make excuses for in gloss over Is the fact that the quran enshrines domestic violence, whether there's a hierarchy or not The miswark thing that you talked about is literally how Like depraved this is because they talk about the same miswark that they would use to tame chattel And animals with is the same thing that they'd used to beat their wives Then there's a difference between the stipulation to beat your wives differently from how you'd beat your sex slaves as well So, um, essentially the prophet had so many instances when he could have changed this or repudiate a white beta But he didn't know you're welcome. I miss what is that to give you a super pithy response That's what I really miss what's the next one Yes, yeah, exactly the thing is a toothbrush. It's like it's like this pencil. Okay. It is not a hitting It's not a hitting tool. Yes But the the yes, but the branches of the miswak, which is made of a twig that they clean their teeth with bedowins Right is also what they would use on a scale to whip their chattel. I don't know if you've read this No, but they would miswak miswak is only used for brushing teeth. It's not used for anything else You know what I'm talking about. What's miss? I know I know where does it come from? It's a bar Yeah, it is it miss wack when it's when it's When you use the word miss wack you mean a toothbrush if you want to to refer to the To the twig you say a rock, which is the name of the tree. You don't say miss. I stand corrected So yeah, but the domestic violence remains the the the word might be different. Sorry, but the domestic violence remains The the the the little the little toothbrush interpretation makes no sense We read Sahil Bukhari and we see a woman being beaten until her skin turned green The idea that you know, this is just a little uh, little tap with a toothbrush to to show that things have gone too far Um, doesn't seem to fit some of the descriptions of how severe these beatings were And Omar ibn Qab said the prophet said to not ask a man why he beats his wife And screams will hurt from over Omar's house. So I guess it's more than a toothbrush. But yeah, sorry. Go ahead James No, probably I'm only this one coming in from to appreciate your question Seville says funny how a christian's best friend is an atheist. How do you like that? It's all david norea is your best friend No, we're we're not we're not we're not best friends, but yet we we're we're friends and the the fact of the matter is We're We're on the same side of this issue this this This book calls for the violent subjugation or execution of christians Jews atheists Hindus yzidis zoroastrians across the board. So I mean if we're talking about What this What this book teaches as far as we're concerned. We're all in this. I mean, we're we're all in the same boat here We're on the we're on the same side And this book as well is empty because there's nothing in the Quran for women So if the common denominator is that book david and I definitely are on the same side until it calls for Yeah, things against us. Yeah, that's why we are good But that book says that those who allow it this believers non-believers they are them So you are lying with an atheist. It's just proving that you're an atheist Yeah, but that that's that's an islamic claim If you if your friends by the way, thank you for admitting that it means friends By the way, uh, it notice notice if that's your that's your book So notice notice the interpreter if you take An atheist as an ally that means you're an atheist So if uh, Muhammad just admitted that if he takes anyone else as an ally In any situation here here's something I agree with this person on then that person is now Some other system of belief. So notice if I uh, I noticed that on Ahmed's channel He talks about um, a lot of scientific issues and I've already invited him on imagine I invite Ahmed on and I say hey, why don't we talk about Scientific evidence for the existence of god, we'd be allies improving the existence of god, but according to you Of course it is if we are Allyship In the in the sense in the sense that you just applied to me and me and Nuria we disagree on a lot of things We agree on we agree on this you've said that makes us allies. Well, guess what me and me and and Notice if I did that with if I did if I took uh, Ahmed as And as part of an alliance and hey, we're going to defend the existence of god That would make him a christian according to you then notice you you're You're pointing out some of the problems with with your book here It's not about pointing problems with my books if he allies with you and he takes you as an ally to go Fight against disbelievers and atheists even by words and That point he's still in line But if you're gonna go with someone who denies your god and denies your lord and and at that point How are you showing loyalty to lord because me and amin we're doing this in the name of god Who are you doing this in the name of who? Because you're going with someone who completely disregards the fact that god exists and that there's a day of judgment When I give And your your your you gotta go. Yeah your your book calls for our violent subjugation I mean if there were if if Nuria and I were in the same building and it were on fire And it's burning up. We would probably try to help each other get out of there Why we're we're all human beings it wouldn't be oh you're an atheist I can't help you because then I'd be an ally if we're helping if we're trying to get out of this flaming building or something like that But I would help you too So you see you're putting things that are incorrect because if you save an innocent soul, it's like you save the whole world Well, we're innocent now. Awesome I hate to do this, but just because the original super chat was meant to uh Indite david for being friends with Nuria. I gotta give him the last word this one from coffee mom says Can you advocate for islam and not be a misogynist? I have a feeling that was kind of rhetorical, but we give you a chance to respond Yeah, I can advocate for islam and not be a misogynist of course. I I can do it at least Or I can die trying No, you can't you will not die trying because if you have this discussion with me, it's just a different paradigm Islam like christianity like judeism like hinduism like all revolutions coming from god puts a specific hierarchy in the management of society This one coming in the only the only thing is that secular world that has put all the controls at the level of the government. It is unnatural You got it this one from dashia Hewitt, let me know if I pronounce it right says it's a reason why it was called pre islamic Judaism and christianity was in arabia first You can't tell me they didn't influence islam when we can see it for ourselves Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who that's I don't know who that's Did at uh, I would say I would say indisputably there were all kinds of things and you know our friends can respond here But um, oh, excuse me. I don't want to call you friends because I might wait.  You had all sorts of teachings about Jesus and mary and so on circulating in arabia. You had Various beliefs about the kaba and the rights that were performed there. You had you had Even teachings about, you know, horis and paradise and so on islam looks like everything was just collected into a big ball and And claimed to be from a prophet This one coming in from do appreciate your question Samir farsain says norea.  You just Used, uh, let me know if you pronounce this right. Takia Muslim I can't I can't I can't tell if this is if this is a joke or not when when we when we talk about when we when we When when she brings up the statement Um, do not greet the people do not give the people of the book the greeting first force them to the nearest part of the That's a quote from muhammad. That's a quote. That's a quote from muhammad So if if we're if we're making it up if norea is making it up if this was a serious claim and not a joke then Then the claim would be that norea actually has a time machine She went back in time and served this into the muslim sources on the on the lips of muhammad and that it's uh, it's all a lie Yep, and there's also a funny story. I think it's umar ibn khadab son actually said uh Asalaamu alaikum to a jew and then realizes that he shouldn't have and he runs back and says give me my greeting back So that's how seriously they take this the accidentally greeted a jew Yeah Do you guys this one coming in from do appreciate it sarah reyney says can a muslim love a non muslim from their heart Well, yeah, i i don't i don't think there is an issue there actually i have quoted to uh to david during our conversation that It is a prediction of the quran that muslims and christians specifically christians who identify as christians not christians who are christians in the birth certificate or something people like david who identify as christians um are destined to Have greater relations with muslims and on the individual level the level this should be the case Going back to the question about islam and judeism. Sorry judeism and christianity being in arabia islam considers itself part of a continuum that started Uh from adam and then to abraham and then to moses and then to jesus. So islam does not see itself as a distinct Star in a conservation it sees itself in a continuum And all of those prophets are prophets of the same religion. It's the religion of Allah. Allah is in arabic The name of god an egyptian christians for example and christians who are of the arabic tongue call Allah Their god too So there is no there is no there is no distinction per se muslims and non muslims At a point of time the prophet asked the muslims to go to abyssinia Ethiopia now To enjoy a peaceful life under the reign of a king who was a christian just king And i don't think any of the muslims who went there hated the man for for for giving offering them protection Do you got it? Thank you very much for this question. Some of your far saying says Wali w a l e e quote unquote means someone who can act on your behalf and protect you a la said Allah is the malah It's m a w a malah of believers Did non muslims protect Uighur and syrians and sudan sudanis and Mayan marians I say that right Mayan marians. Thank you says a la was right after all Yeah, so so the the claim here is that um So Wali so aliyah we're talking about that earlier So the claim here is that it it refers to someone who can act on on your behalf and protect you and you know from our earlier discussion There are the aliyah of Allah. So these would be people Acting on behalf of Allah and protecting him. And so the the the response here is that ah Are non muslims protecting the the Uighurs who are who are being persecuted in china Well, following that reasoning, I mean muslims aren't protecting them either What are muslims? So you have muslims who are speaking out Against how Uighurs are being persecuted but but so are so are non muslims. I made multiple videos condemning the treatment of Uighur muslims um in china But there there is this ongoing problem By the way notice if you take this seriously. So look at what this person is saying this person is saying um Look Uighurs are being uh mistreated and abused by Uh by chinese communists. Therefore aliyah is right.    He says david Look at the camera with a straight face and repeat after me quote unquote I didn't just brush the violence of christianity under the rug and misquote islam I don't recall talking about christianity. So nothing to do with What are you talking about? So I didn't just I didn't just brush The violence of christianity under the rug because I wasn't talking about it. So This one from upside down guy says Do you think muslims? Hmm Did or would do 9 11 as told I don't know if they mean like what proportion of muslims on the planet would I guess that's what that's my best guess of what they mean I mean, I'd like to posit to ahmed and muhammad the fact that any perpetrators of 9 11 would claim to be inspired or Potentially be inspired by the quran. I think there's a problem there to unpack but over to you guys Well, it's gotta be first prove it was like a muslims that were perpetuating and made september 11 And it wasn't the u.s. Government. So it's okay if Okay, well, we're gonna go into muslim conspiracies right now Osama bin laden when he was hiding up in the mountains He openly said we are going to declare war on america and why is that obviously? He had his own reasons with Saudi Arabia, but it all comes down to the kufar versus the muslim. Am I correct? But i'm talking about september 11. I'm not talking about what was i'm i've been lying inside because there's videos saying that Osama bin laden saying that we're not responsible for september 11, but it's okay. You cherry pick what you want Oh, and yeah, okay, and you bury your head in the sound and you know You think your book gives amazing interpersonal conduct when people can use that to fly into buildings, but sure This one was americans flying into buildings. So I don't know when you're talking about coffee mom says Can they address the relationships between men and women? Um, I I want to respond to the matter of the 9 11 I don't think there is anything anywhere in the sunnah or the quran that commands any muslim on the face of the earth To commit something like night 11 regardless if muslims eat it or not. This is irrelevant The question is would they do it again? So let's say they didn't or they didn't do it before it's irrelevant There is nothing in the sunnah and or the quran that tells muslims to go and blow up Building that is used for civilian use it has it has no reference whatsoever Anyway, are you are you expecting the quran to say on september 9th? Please hijack two planes This was not the quest. This was not the question. I think the question was whether I think the question was whether this action is acceptable or not today To is the islamic doctor and it is not acceptable It is because they they they had to they had to deal with this issue when the issue came up of whether it's appropriate to use catapults in fighting knowing that the catapults could hit people who weren't fighting and so on and muslims declared that it that it was acceptable but uh, but I mean the the the justification that was presented by al qaeda is that if If people are making mischief in muslim lands, that's a death penalty according to surah 5 verse 33 of the quran But in islam the people who fund or make it possible to Wage war in a muslim land are equally responsible that goes back to muhammad who said that it's not just the the jihad warrior Who gets a reward for what he's done? It's the person who's funded him to do that and so the reasoning of al qaeda Is that the united states military is making mischief in muslim lands? But who's making who makes it possible for the u.s. Military to make mischief the american taxpayer and that what that's why it's perfectly acceptable to Just uh to do things like 9 11. So i i would just i know i know you're going to disagree with the interpretation. My only point is They seem to have a point there as far as they're Reconciling that with islamic teachings In two sentences catapults are used to encircle or to Conquer fortresses typically or fortifications around cities. So the context is different This is number one and number two when muslims were fighting the romans for example And they went after defeating the roman army or within they did not attack the population that was paying taxes to the roman army Paying taxes to your enemy does not make you part of your enemy This one coming in from do appreciate your question I want to remind you folks our guests are linked in the description So you can always check those out the muslim apologist says the guy Let's see. That's weird. See the brothers. You are doing a This is a different one says brothers. You're doing a great job Contact me after the debate in particular they're referring to you of course mohammed and fighting truth This one coming in from do appreciate it. Yes 1002 says theis. Are you only good? So you can get to go to heaven Can you repeat that again? They say theis Those of you who believe in a god, are you only good because you want to get into heaven? Um, so so that would apply to three of us here. I'll go. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, no me me. No I try I try to do the right thing because There is a right thing to do but um if god told because There are atheists who use this as an accusation and say ah in in religion. You're only being good because you think it's going to get you points Later that that's that's not that's not my moral view I believe in a combination of divine command theory natural law and virtue ethics But if the almighty came to me right now and said david, sorry You're you're not going to heaven under any circumstances. I'd still try to do the right thing because it's the right thing You got it anybody else? Yeah, my answer my answer would be no and yes Uh, so, uh, I would like to do the right thing those right things typically make you happy But yes, because you will not have an exclusive set of independently verified things that are right without a reference And you get to choose your reference. So david chooses christianity. I choose islam Maybe something in islam or versus judism or christianity or hinduism Is right in islam and wrong somewhere else or wrong in islam and right somewhere else I would not for example put money in the in the bank and take fixed interest. It is a crime in islam Uh, because it causes specific Back lashes to society So the answer is there is no specific definite way to be Good unless with a reference and religious people use religion as their reference So the answer would be yes. If you look at this perspective In my uh, yeah, also just to add on to it from another For me, it's it's not about the reward at the end. It's like me as a human being. I'm a social person I I like experiences of love affection and being close to somebody and nobody can fill that Requirement other than god. It's my relationship with god is that what drives me to do good to other people Because it just rewards me with such a positive and fulfilling feeling and you could find that in all the religion And that's all the religion is preaching you because it's not about your reward at the end The reward is technically still being in god's grace. That is my heaven Is the fact that I can speak to god without having like, uh, you know Like debating myself in regards to certain topics and in show in the love that I have for my god It's it's not thinking compare like my my biggest fear is losing that relationship It's like god is telling you don't drink so but okay Maybe alcohol looks like fun for a little bit But then I have a fear that you know What if god like that relationship and that love towards god starts to go away and then at that point I'll feel empty because I know how it felt to be empty before and I don't want to have that feeling ever again My like I love my mom But it doesn't compare to that relationship with someone who's always there with me and whatever bad is happening It's because of my own direct input or someone else's input and god is there to save me when I need it So I don't know why these debates like take so long, but it's it's literally it's like the best relationship You can ever have with anybody It starts with god. So that's why I'm a you got it. It's not Thank you very much for this question as well here as Palmer says Will the muslims debaters ever marry a nine-year-old or would they if they were unmarried right now If you're married right now Would he go to japan and marry a 13-year-old because that's the age of consent in japan At least as well is all i'm saying Well, my comment is that Marriage in islam is not related to age marriage in islam is related to puberty And this has been the universal law regardless muslims or not even christians or jews or whoever Women and men should not marry before they reach the age of puberty It is not it is false that islam does not have an age barrier towards marriage It is a natural barrier. It is naturally not connected to age age of puberty can be 15 can be 9 can be 20 I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference It's liberty that makes somebody can marry or not We might need to discuss or a 65 verse 4 at some point and because not just because we'd be misunderstanding it But because I mean given what you just said ibn kathir ibn abbas the two jalals even 20th century muslim scholars like maldudi right up into The popular dais like muhammad hijab interpret interpret sort of 65 verse 4 As referring to marrying and divorcing prepubescent girls David let's cut this short. How old was isaac's life in the bible? uh, it doesn't doesn't doesn't say but she was she was certainly old enough to No, no, no, take care of 10 camels. No, it doesn't work. It's very clear how old neko is Oh, yeah, good. Yeah chapter and verse No, no, no, it's very clear if you look at chapter and verse three years old Chapter and verse I will bow down and recite the shahada if you show me she was three years old You said the chapter about the gospel and we showed you plenty of you showed me zero You showed me never you'll never show me one verse and now you're just lying Chapter and verse. It's very simple chapter such and such verse such and such There is enough. I will recite.  It's not about chapter and verse the bible is very clear on how we're back Let's see it. Let's see it. Give us give us the verse I I I agree but note. She's repeatedly called. She's repeatedly called. She's repeatedly called young woman Do you think three year olds are young women? This is what no notice that notice and you're pulling commentaries out of your your head and whatever you Like comment that's what the text says and calls her it calls her a young woman And says three years old watered. She watered She watered 10 camels a three-year-old I have a four-year-old who couldn't water one camel notice the principal ladies and gentlemen because there's always a principal If you tell this the principal is long if you the principal is If you if you tell the truth about our prophet by quoting our sources will lie about your prophets And these are from people who claim to respect Abraham and Isaac lying about Abraham and Isaac saying that Abraham sent someone to get a three-year-old daughter notice It's Muhammad Muhammad married and had sex with a little girl and then in response We'll say all the prophets did all these horrible things. What devout muslims. We are welcome to slump This one I'll give you a chance. I need to have I need to have uh I need to have a a little comment Islamic belief believes that The rules that relate to marriage And that puberty is a condition for marriage is an ancient rule. So I don't think any prophet of Christianity or Judaism Had sex with a girl before puberty This is something that is universally prohibited Ahmad could you quote us where the prohibition exists where it says that that puberty is a prerequisite to marriage? Yeah, and I'm actually happy to have a different separate debate about this But when you look for example to surah and nisa There is no, uh, it says thank you Is different from enough Okay, nisa means a woman and a woman is different from a girl in english A woman means somebody who can be designated as good for marriage You don't call a little girl a woman woman means somebody who has been who has gone past puberty So what does it mean when it was those who have not yet menstruated? Who is that referring to exactly? If you are referring to surah at talaq ayah number four. So when I when I When I studied jurisprudence, okay? You know, there can be a medical condition Where a woman Never gets the cycle. Okay. This does not prevent a woman from getting married at all So the islamic jurists put the age of 15 If somebody is not does not reach the age of puberty in a natural way He becomes a full citizen at the age of 15 Which makes him capable of doing Whatever an adult can do this includes marriage. This includes control to his property And other things so being for example accountable against a judge, etc And so if a woman for example is married at the age of let's say 20 But she never got her cycle because of a medical condition And now this surah is talking about qalaq about divorce. She needs to have her months of clearance So since she doesn't have period anyway, okay, then you will just count three lunar months Now some jurists, I don't know. What is the reference if they are putting this out of their head or what Are saying that this relates to if they if somebody and I probably there is somebody who would who would say that That this relates to somebody a girl who is married and she did not reach yet The age of ministration and hence so-and-so Please prove to me in the first place that a girl can get married before puberty. This is unheard of in islam It's it's it's completely false aisha To mohammed aisha. I saw there is a difference between signing a contract and Consumption, okay If you if you in any way if you in any way regardless you have reached the age of puberty or not If the marriage is not consummated then the matter of counting the months is out of the way in old cases So you count the months of ida only if consummation happens Ahmed I hate that that's correct. But yeah, it gives it gives the ida specifically for the girl who's not reached puberty So this presupposes that the marriage was consummated with a girl before she reached puberty again This is ibn abbas. This is ibn kathir. This is the two jalals. This is mohdudi. This is even I mean mohammed hijab stood there speakers corner. I mean keep in mind I would love for him to be wrong because this is Thank you. Oh good. Good god. I'm glad I I think he's right, but I I hope you're right and I hope you'll I really hope I'd like I would actually like and I would share if if you make a video Explaining why that interpretation is wrong because at the end of the day, even though we're even though we're criticizing islam We are talking about actual people and I would I would like it if people didn't believe it was okay So the reason the reason i'm saying is wrong is that this aya is referring to divorce Now if you want to see the criteria and the constraints of marriage go to the aya that talk about marriage Aya that talk about marriage talk about nisa nisa is women. There is no girl getting married It's not there simply you cannot get married before consummate your marriage before you have reached puberty as a woman You cannot have sex with a woman who did not reach Puberty otherwise she is not defined as a woman in the first place She remains a girl and marrying girls and consummating the marriage with a girl who did not reach puberty is not Permissible, but but but 654 specifically refers to Women who have not reached the age of menstruation. So it's clearly using it in a broader sense that that doesn't refer to post being You know post post puberty. Yeah, what what i'm saying here is that what the explanation of the aya at least from how I I studied the aya is that it is referring to people who did not mean straight But since they were married married They have at least reached the legal from the islamic perspective age age of marriage Which if not by reaching menstruation in their cases then would be by reaching the age of 15 for example Or an age where okay, this is an adult If somebody if a woman let's let's look from the woman's perspective If a woman has a medical condition where she does not menstruate all together Her her ovaries are not working or her Genital system is not working is she prohibited to marry for the rest of her life She can marry if that if that's what that referred to but again, uh, I mean In the commentaries this actually referred to people Who are specifically asking Muhammad about the divorcing divorcing women who who Who didn't have a monthly cycle and one of them was specifically asking what about girls who are too young What about girls who are too young to have a monthly menstrual cycle? And that's what the Quran verse was was responding to so it's it didn't sound like it was responding to A medical condition, uh, the commentary specifically referred to someone who's too young to have a to have a monthly cycle so so As I was said, even if you look at that aya and look at the beginning of aya It says well, Ia islamina l-mahidi min nisa equal and those who have so it's talking about min nisa equal those who have Uh went into despair of your women Something I mean in ethical of your females or of your girls. They say of nisa equal Nisa means women and women a woman is a female that has it that's an adult Yeah, but it's it's it's it's the it's the need It's it's the women who have not yet reached puberty. So that that's the point. It sounds like it's talking about it It sounds like it's sounds like it's talking about a broader category if it's women who haven't reached puberty And again, the Muslim commentator says talking about someone who's who's too young for for a monthly menstrual cycle So the point is it doesn't sound like it's talking about only like adult women The the point is it doesn't say the women that did not reach puberty. It says the women that did not minister it Well, that's it. Well, I will I'm young Those who have not ministered So it is possible, you know, for and this is all different possibilities So you have a woman that did minister it and did not reach monopause yet A woman that did minister it and reach monopause and the woman that never had ministeral cycle For example for a medical condition No, but I hold it all the way yet even yet implies that they are going to have it in the near future It comes under the umbrella that david was talking about when all of the tafsirs mentioned prepubescent I mean either Allah is a terrible communicator if you can't specify When in a condition you're giving a very very narrow Like just a scapegoat to say it's it's people with a medical condition Allah could have said that but to leave the umbrella open like this to say those who have not yet menstruated Is that not very very bad foresight on Allah's part? If that means that people in Afghanistan will be selling and marrying six year olds And they are quoting the Sunnah of the prophet when they are doing so I'll give you his response and we have to go to the next one It is not permissible It is not permissible in Islam to marry and consummate marriage with a little girl who is six or eight or nine If she has not reached if she has He was wrong. Yeah, you got to go this one coming up from Samir says asala muwala Mulaikam is a promise of peace before being greeting So if you harm a person after that promise you're a traitor islam says to keep that promise I think he's referring to the matter of of not starting with salam with somebody else who is not a muslim and Um, I think he is referring to the context here one way or the other. So at a point of time People of the book in medina were having special behavior of animosity that they even started saying salam in a twisted way That main death instead of salam So I think and I have already explained that the the doctrine of salam in the typical Normal conditions is that muslims give salam to everybody You got it this one coming other than combatants But also Muhammad breaks treaties all the time. So I don't think breaking a promise is a big deal. Anyway Never happened. We can have a debate about war in islam Muslim apologists says one of the non muslims here is an atheist pretending to be a christian How do you like them apples david? Yeah, yeah, that's what it's uh, we've talked me and ap have talked about this before it's like the in thing Um, like they'll they'll they'll say i'm actually an undercover atheist Pretending to be a christian to mislead people But then they'll talk about ap and say he's actually an undercover christian pretending to be an atheist to deceive people So the uh, yeah, it's just whatever you claim to be the you know guys like mensh. That's who that is Like to say aha, he's actually the something different from what he claims to be just so they can try to You know discredit anything any points we're we're bringing up, but yeah Sammy veda says and then folks we we can't take any more questions We're just going to read the rest the ones that we have and then we're going to wrap up But this one semi veda says quote unquote worst of creatures 98 verse six islam commands a supremacist mindset Muhammad agrees and justified it multiple times as they are fighting for the true god Is this a question? It's more of a statement. I think that They're just saying islam has a supremacist mindset is the accusation No, I don't think islam has a mandate of relaying the truth to people And that's what it what just wants to do just like christianity and just like judizm wanted to do at this time This one from seven until today Says david is the trinity the father In parentheses you the son and in parentheses apostate prophet and the holy spirit norea No, thanks This one from bitter truth says chronic text. Do you think it's special and don't you think it was muhammad text? As a muslim as somebody who is very conversant with the formal and spoken arabic language I can tell you that it's impossible that the quran is narrated by human being This one from yes one zero zero two says david i'm sorry I meant those two, but great answer I can't remember which they had one earlier on but They give a thumbs up samir far sain says david if islam said god had a baby.  Do you support child marriage? g e So I think I don't support my child marriages My personal Like view on on my religion is that just like how the jews and the christians They started to add some things later on that aren't part of the religion that kind of diluted people out of the way People's reverence to certain hadith isn't correct So sahih bukhari is sahih in the sense that the senate is correct So like the witnesses are correct But the context doesn't mean that it's all necessarily that has to be taken with and not everyone is taking everything That's in the sahih so for us It's the quran is the first and quran is the trump right and and the the narrations about aisha's age There is some narrations that should say when she was playing with toys is when a certain verse came down Which would make her around eight years old and this is before they even immigrated to to abasenia So so it's just like how certain things can be twisted to show a really bad image of muhammad Certain things can also be twisted to show a really good image or whatever the person is trying to sell But when it comes to that the orhan you don't have those those Those misinterpretation and those issues. So when it comes to child marriages, it's it's very clear that that it's that's that a You're like oppressing somebody you're going against what god has given you And that's not something that's permissible. So and just to answer nary on a point. She was making earlier When god said like those that didn't Menstruate and it sounds like he's saying yet because god is saying the truth. It's not lack of communication. It's ultimate communication so he's uh He's saying it in a sense that they haven't menstruated but some of them might menstruate later So there are women where their menstruation is either really late or the fact that they couldn't have kids and all of a sudden They were able to have kids. So it's also covering that that truth and god is speaking the complete truth in the orhan I hope that clears some of the issues So just answering the question. It is not up to muhammad or to me to support child marriage I have just said something very simple and very clear Until a woman until a female is identified as a woman Unless there is a medical condition that you cannot get married Now france in april 2021 changed the age of such of consent related to sex to 15 Maybe it's still 18 in some places Is this child marriage from the perspective? For example of germans or suites Islam has a very simple criteria that relates to the biology of the human being puberty You can marry before puberty. You cannot very simply You got it. Thank you very much for this question. This is coming in from bitter truth says finding But sahi al-bakari says aisha was watching ethiopian show She hasn't reached her puberty age. It's clear muhammad married with child Finding truth. Why aren't you admitting this they say? I don't know if watching an ethiopian show makes you Before or be or after puberty. I think it's completely Which is just I don't know There's a there's a passage in bukhari which says that aisha hadn't reached puberty in that so I think the I think you guys would read it and say she must not have been married yet or something like that like she was watching that before She was married, but it says muhammad was like shielding shielding her with his uh With his garment or something like that. So it sounds like they were together, but um I'm it said it says she hadn't reached puberty And so I'm assuming you guys would say then that was sometime before they were They had consummated the marriage or something like that You've got to this one. I appreciate it muslim. Apologist says rebecca was three years old when she married isaac. David Why are you upset? I think that was covered Zagros oscan says is my This is so funny you get the you get this you get this narration where um abraham sends his servant to get um a wife for Isaac goes and she's she's she's out doing her chores and taking care of uh taking care of animals and so on And then this guy shows up with 10 camels and she says hey I'll water all these camels for you which those those things can drink dozens of gallons of water each And it says she waters them all repeatedly repeatedly calls her a young woman Um And she you can tell by the conversation and so on she's not three. I have a four-year-old My goodness. I wouldn't have trust him to to to be out in the to be out in the wilderness taking care of animals and so on um, but uh, it's it's just a weird situation because you'd wonder why would why would someone want to say aha She was three And but the the only reason is because there there are critics who point out that that mohammed married a nine-year-old And so ah, we'll go ahead and we'll go ahead and and claim that That uh, rebecca was three not realizing you aren't you are attacking both isaac and abraham in that you're saying that they both Promoted that they both promoted that they both promoted pedophilia And again, these are people who who claim to respect the prophets Yeah, again, you're making a mistake there where we're showing you because there's inconsistency with the bible because of its way of Transmission that there are some ways to twist the the the to twist the the version. Oh, you could twist it Yeah, you could twist the you could twist anything. I agree And this is and this is written by jewish commentators that she how to prove that she's three years old Now hey, and how does this apply to this conversation? Is that you keep going to certain hadiths that you're misinterpreting which which state clearly That isha was nine years old It's not us trying to interpret it if no no no notice. Mohammed if you want to say those I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you if you want to say those hadiths are unreliable You could say that because I mean keep in mind the you know bukhari has written two centuries after the time of Mohammed There's all sorts of times for things to be messed with and so on if you're saying that that's fine But we're we're not misrepresenting things when we say according to sahel bukhari Isha was nine years old the misrepresentation the misrepresentation is you're putting the value of those words on the same Values as the word of god. So this is the word. This is some guidance that was left after We don't believe the Quran's a word of god. We don't believe that but I would agree with I wouldn't I wouldn't I'm agreeing with I'm agreeing with you the in islam in islam the Quran is the supreme authority if a hadith Contradicts the Quran you got throw out that hadith. I agree. I would agree with you on this. This is the case here So there's a lot of hadith that you guys use that. Oh, look at this proof It's either that hadith was for a very specific period where there's Uncertainties that were happening around with like that. We don't have the full picture or the other thing is this clearly like it's clearly Contradicting the Quran but the Quran the Quran never says that that isha was, you know, some other age This one's coming. It's not it's not in the car But the Quran saying do not marry pre-president pre-person like Like young people so I really sorry, I've got to move forward this is zagro's aus-kan says in my village a six-year-old boy can take care of 100 cows This one coming in from bitter truth says got that one Bitter truth also says saying al-Bukhari hadith 61 30 clearly saying aisha hasn't reached her puberty age Muhammad thing with aisha when she was six Saudi mufti fatwa eight eight two thousand also confirms The debate was about the Quran like if this is this is what happens in these debates every time We talk about these exact same topics as if i'm supposed to throw away my whole religion Because you can't get over just one fact that we have a misunderstanding and strive to discuss the Quran Yes, we can't get over the fact that the series says pre-pubescent girls. You're right Because you have a misunderstanding and it's not correct So did the best islamic scholars who have written these that they also were misguided They didn't mean that aisha was playing with dolls They didn't mean that it refers to women who have not yet menstruated because they've not yet reached puberty We don't see that in the lived example of the prophet Well, here's the thing that i'm trying to explain to you is just because they have things that pass down that they have to be apologetic for It's just of a sense of fear of leaving whatever they believe It's the exact same thing that happened to christianity when editions had to happen or editions were added to christianity Like saying that jesus is the son of god, of course the muslims are not going to these extremes But they're saying things that they need to defend because that's what they were passed down to But if you investigate the quran It A it doesn't change my life in any way shape or form and it's a religion It's supposed to be personal and b most of the stuff that they're saying the only proof is someone else said it It's not from the word of god I'm not putting down the what what like the the companions of prophet muhammad peace be upon him did And the people that came after him but some of them were bad players You got to understand that just like how in christianity some of the people that heard the religion They were bad players This one from es 1002 says what is the relation of muslim and x muslim bakari 3017 Putting the hadith just by the number is is is very difficult. Yeah, there are different numbering systems Okay, this even even the hadith before I couldn't respond because this is just a number. I couldn't even hear the number I think that's the hadith about And somebody who changed their religion getting burned and it was that Burning somebody is not the desired punishment because that should be reserved for Allah and hell fire So it was somebody that changed their religion. I think it's emphasizing that muhammad said Whoever changes his religion kill him and somebody was re-enacting that if i'm not mistaken This one got clearly said that she changes her religion. There's no compulsion religion Dasha kiewit says woods Plural says Wood you say you have something over people who need evidence for fictitious characters in a book parentheses atheist You do realize you only have a book, right? um Well, thank you for calling me woods. I know I do the work of I know I do the work of at least two people so You say you have something over people who need Evidence for fictitious characters in a book You do realize you only have a book, right? I don't know. I don't know what this is saying I'm I I don't know what it means to say. I only have a book. I definitely got much more than a book So I don't know. I don't know you're talking about Yeah, this I think it's a some not all atheists just some atheists will just sometimes like Like I got a pen here, you know I think they they mean like they've tried to say like that christians all they have is their book says something They don't have any sort of like arguments like the cumulative No, that's not that you might you might disagree with it. I mean and and uh by by by looking at his uh his youtube channel Ahmet seems to be in the same boat. He would we would say no their their arguments for all all kinds of things Um at the end we at the end of the day We we believe in books, but we believe in them for reasons you might disagree with those reasons Zagros oscan says we only get uh, I think two more here Zagros says youngest known pubescent in medical history was a girl less than five years old According to islam. Is it okay to not only marry her but also to consummate the marriage Okay, so again the criteria for marriage is puberty whether for males or females now I wouldn't go and marry a six year or seven year old if she has actually reached puberty Because there are other criteria. So there are like anything in life There are necessary conditions and there are sufficient conditions So a necessary condition for something like marriage, for example, can be puberty But is it sufficient or not is another question to marry somebody? He needs to be at the intellectual and culture level and Responsibility and accountability level etc to to to proceed So even for example when when Allah in Surat An-Nisaa that we have talked about sound of its ayat Is talking about delivering to orphans their inheritance Okay, he he would say If I asked him minhum rushden Not only that they have reached the age of puberty But they can also be held accountable. They are they have become responsible people So when somebody is looking for someone to marry He needs to see that this person is also at a good level of responsibility to marry So if you go and just throw at the face of somebody will you marry a six year old or nine year old at a ten year old? What is your criteria? It's exactly. I think it's an unfair question This one coming in from do appreciate your question Jeffrey Anderson says do Muslims know that the Tanakh or what Christians call the Old Testament and the Talmud are different things I know that they are different things, but do all Muslims know or not? I don't know Well one actually quick comment. God doesn't talk about the Talmud Because it isn't a book of God So the Torah is the book of God and you're supposed to get their judgments out of the Torah So this is just for to relate some of the stuff that I was saying earlier There are There are there are uh quotations from the Talmud in the Quran though So it doesn't look like like the author of the Quran understood the difference between the the Torah and the Talmud No, there is quotations that are in the Torah that Dave also added in the Talmud No, no, no like like surah 5 verse 32 which talks about the teaching of the Jews that if anyone killed a man It's as if he's killed all mankind. That's from the Talmud. That's not from the Torah So the Islamic perspective on that David would be that God who is God of the Quran is the same God of the Of Judaism and Christianity So if he says that this is something that I have revealed to Jews, it's just he revealed it where they wrote it is something else Well, I mean it's interesting because it's it's a Because the the the claim that if anyone killed a man as if he's killed all mankind is uh was an interpretation of something in the Torah and the interpretation was of The it's a story of Cain and Abel and Cain kills Abel and then And then it says God says your your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground And the the rabbi who's commenting said that the in Hebrew. It's actually plural bloods your bloods your brother's bloods cries out to me from the ground and he says based on this that it wasn't just It wasn't just Abel's blood crying out from the ground. It's it's it was all his future generations And so that was so he says that that the meaning of this is that When you kill someone you're not just killing that person. You're killing all his all his future Generations, but if I were if I were defending your position, I would say that that was the correct interpretation of That verse and so maybe it was like implicit Implicitly contained in the Torah and the the Jewish rabbi brought out the meaning and then Allah agreed with the Actually this exact commentary was made in the Qur'an after the the story of Cain and Abel So it says That's how it that's how it is in the Talmud you have the story of Cain and Abel and then and then it falls You got at the end of the day the Qur'an is just confirming that this is a revelation from God This one coming in from do appreciate as the last one Karenza says does Islam believe that a child that has entered puberty at nine could have sex and be married to an older man Over 50. Yes or no simple question kind of covered that Yeah, I just wanted to add before we I actually agree that that some of these are going too far Off topic and that the topic was about the Qur'an So I think there are Qur'an You know like sort of 65 or 4 with that that we were bringing up some of these some of these issues But it seems to like part partially like diverged into Just a big discussion of some of the hadiths and so on so In other words, if you guys wanted to say hey, we've already addressed these issues. That's that's that's fine Fair yeah, that's there's no anyway With that we're going to Wrap up want to say huge. Thank you to our guests. It's been a true pleasure to have you David Wood Naria Muhammad and finding truth their links are in the description box if you haven't checked them out already folks This is a great opportunity to check out their links. 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Is do you really think they're winning all these debates and that like because if you think that they're losing Which presumably you know all these people do de-platform If you think that these dangerous people out there are losing Well, then why would you want to de-platform? This is a great opportunity to put them on the platform on purpose So everybody can see all of their crap exposed and say like, uh, well now I'm kind of inoculated against that You know, in other words, you can say like I'm almost like vaccinated in the old sense of the vaccine Like they've got a small dose of it and then saw the refutation of it. And so now when they hear about it in the future They're like, oh no, like I know like what you're trying to do here I've heard these arguments before and I've heard the rebuttals to them before I'm not going to be fooled. That's a good thing And in fact, I can tell you the empirical research because I'm getting my doctorate in Basically, it's in psychology more broadly in particular industrial organizational And so we actually do cover the persuasion literature in my own field Iosychology is it I can tell you there's good empirical backing for my position in terms of our Platforming position where we are willing to take on the most controversial people and topics And we think that actually it has a positive net good. So That's the thing folks is I've heard a lot and that's the thing too is like when I've heard these de-platformers They're usually not always but they're the usually the ones that you know, they've they've got their Soylent They've got their blue-pilled soy boys not always like I said, there's an exception not all not all not all not all But a lot of them are you know, they're very sheltered They're all you know, you want to keep things safe and they're the kind of people that like, oh, you know Wear your bike helmet every time you get on your bike Is I would say hey Don't get me wrong. I understand there's a reasonable thing to think through this But a lot of these people are very they're afraid of everything Oh, it's like a dangerous you would someone think of the children and we say hey, you know what? We're gonna give These people who have these dangerous or bad and or bad ideas a chance Because then when their idea is exposed, that's a good thing for society Not running from them not running from the battle, but we are saying hey, we're gonna take it on and we're gonna let it be exposed My dear friends a lot of people want to take the easy way out And I would say that's what I think the de-platforming thing is is like and I frankly I think it's also there's a combination of this sick moral narcissism of wanting to get off to their own like yes I'm moral.  Oh, like I'm extra morally pure is Like I said, because a lot of them they will tout it, you know Like they'll kind of like where it's a badge and tell people that But I've got to say like when you look at the actual arguments in terms of what brings about the greatest good for the most people I say, I don't know that a consequence consequentialist perspective like the functional value of modern data bait is like I think we actually bring about more good And we're not the ones that are getting up on the moral high horse We're just saying hey, we think there's a good argument for this is good But we're not the types that are going to be like, oh, you're like, I won't associate with them I've got to tell you My dear friends We're glad that you are here even if you're a soy boy, you know because we are you know Even if you're a soy boy and you want to promote soy in the chat things like that because you know We have people that let's say In the chat will sometimes say look, oh, how dear are you? You know, you should not platform these people and we don't ban them.  That's okay. So I want to say we appreciate yeah, that's right snack entity says james putting the hammer on the safe space types I get the idea of like not wanting to step on people's toes. I don't enjoy stepping on people's toes like for example I don't have any pleasure and like, you know, like, oh, I want to like be hard on the muslims Or I want to be hard on the atheists or the christians.  You can't say that to a colleague Because they might interpret it to mean like Oh, so you mean I don't look nice on other days because you said today at the end of the sentence And I'm like, you know, if we really if it's getting to the point where that's inappropriate to say you look nice today This is getting kind of ridiculous in the sense that rather than giving this super neurotic person who takes it So poorly to be told that they look nice today Rather than helping them to learn how to deal with the hardships of life Like help them to become more adaptive and able to cope with stress Like the stressors are being told you look nice today Rather than doing that what should be this is a great learning opportunity where we could do that And we say, hey, you know Might be a way to do a little cognitive behavioral therapy with yourself To kind of try to reason through whether or not your Interpretation of this is as catastrophic as you think or insulting as you think Where you think that they're out to get you or something That would be what we should be doing and that's why for me I am a little bit more casual with how I speak because I think it's a great opportunity where we can Hopefully I can bring those things up Rather than this kind of like bizarre enabling of the hyper neurotic people who are You know interpreting things in the worst way humanly possible Which I think is like if anything we're actually we're patronizing them and ultimately harming them When we give into this like bizarre sick twisted toxic politeness. The other thing that's toxic is you could saw You could call it toxic Accusations of toxicity There's such a thing because so many people they call everything toxic for crying out loud Is that at some point you have to wonder like these people You have to wonder at some point It's like but is everything as toxic as you say it is because I think that's like the new cool thing to call everything toxic You feel like oh, let's find a way to call this toxic. Oh like cool like look at me I found a way to say this is you know a toxic Positivity like all right. I'm gonna find a way to let me think of something else that's usually positive and I'll find a way how to call this toxic is I honestly think a lot of this is like it's to the point where it's like Yeah, I get a little bit excessive with always wanting to say, you know, this is how something is Toxic this is how something is problematic. That's another big one. Just this problematic Oh, this is very problematic This kind of like these people these are the kind of people like I said They don't just wear a bike helmet while they're on their bicycle I mean they wear a 24-7 they go to sleep with a bike helmet on they're just constantly worried and uptight about making these rules About trying to protect everybody from everything When in actuality, it's actually good if we say hey, let's teach people how to handle the stressors of life not try to Eliminate all the stressors of life because the truth is if you can't handle someone telling you hey, you look nice today I don't know how you're gonna handle the hard things of life Like when you lose a close friend or a family member like there are so many harder things That it's like all right. We might as well teach them to start being able to cope and adapt to things In terms of the hard things in life by using things like you look nice today So that they're actually prepared when the genuinely hard things come up So want to say that's my little spiel, but want to say, you know, I love you guys I appreciate you guys. We hope that you're doing well.  Like I said, whether it's me or Amy I hate to ask you the moderators on like I normally I would have asked Amy like two days ago But in this case, I'm like crap. I'm tired. I don't know So who whether it's me or Amy. We'll be back tonight. I want to say thanks guys. I love you guys Thanks for making this fun year It's always fun and we're excited about the future here at modern day debate It was we strive to fulfill the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody has their chance to make their case On a level playing field. We will see you at the next one. 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Hey Sony, first off, congratulations on making the Super Bowl. I know that's your attention, your focus is on the big game this weekend, but I really wanted to get into your mind and ask your thoughts on how this season was really an audition for this offseason coming up, whether you decide to re-sign with the Rams or decide to move forward with a different team. You know, it's easy to say it's an audition, but it's really not because you only can be where your feet are. And I had to be present in the moment and taking it day by day. The offseason wasn't something I could focus on because without taking care of my job and taking care of what I needed to do this season, you know, who knows what offseason looks like. And until this day it's still up in the air, so my focus is really just finishing the season, finishing it strong, trying to get this last W. And when that time comes, it comes.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspie's CaseBreaks.com. Happy Friday coming at you with 2019-2020 Panini. Clearly Donner is six box, random team break number six. Jason did the first half a little bit earlier today and we are gonna do the second half right now. Big thanks to all of these folks for getting to the action. Now there is an early bird special. It's gonna be the first 18 spots in the break. First 18 that were purchased will be eligible for, there's 18 right there, will be eligible for an extra spot. The early bird catches the worm. Let's roll it, let's randomize it. Six and a three, nine times for each list. Or that list, two. And ninth and final time. Name on top after nine is Alberto Villa Signor. You are the early bird that catches the worms. You get an extra spot. Thanks for getting in early. Mr. Villa Signor, let's copy all those names again. And now let's do the official names and teams randomizer. Let's roll it and we'll do names and teams. Snake eyes, two times, easy. One and two, there you go. Sean down to Nolan and one and a two for all the teams. One and two, sixers down to Suns. That's right, Kevin. Sean with the sixers, duck with my Lakers. Nolan with the thunder, Josh with the magic. Nolan with the bucks, Anthony with the gris. Natalie with the hawks, Kevin, you got the kings. Matthew with the pistons, Jeremy 33 with the nuggets. Nolan with the wizards, Jeremy with the rockets. Alberto with your early bird spot, the Dallas Mavericks. You also have the hornets, Robert with the Pacers. Natalie with the Celtics, Anthony with the nets. Rosario with the clippers. Alberto with the heat, Kevin with the warriors. Duck with the Knicks, that is. Jesse with the trailblazers, Nolan with the Teebles. Brian with the pelicans. Kevin with the calves. Anthony with the jazz. Duck with the bulls. Will with the spurs. Ollie with the wraps. Nolan with the Suns. Who has, who got the grizzlies in this? Oh yeah, Anthony with the grizzlies in that one too. All right, so I actually don't know what popped in the first half, but maybe if you're in this break, you already know. So you know what to do, what to trade for, what to chase, so on and so forth. We're gonna pause the video, I'll allow for a little bit of trading time. And when we come back, we'll see if there's any trades and then the break, stick around. All right, welcome back folks. A little tiny bit of trade chatter, but in the end, no deals were done. So here it is, the final printout for clearly Donnerous, half case, random team six. I think we still have, we do have Pick Your Teams, I think still available. There we go, that's what we're looking for. I love the acetate design in this. And I think, like with most things, throughout how this opens up, like with most things in 2019, 2020 product, it's been selling pretty well in the secondary market. All cards will be sleeved and all rookies will be top loaded by our shipping and sorting team. And if it's like Zion or Kobe wide or John Moran or something like that, I'll top load those right away, of course. All right, there's Brandon Ingram, Blake Griffin, Saquid and Boy has numbered, nice. 11 out of 25, it's a nice low number on that one. That goes to the Pistons Matthew Hedges with Detroit and a LeBron James, nice. These have been selling pretty well too on the secondary market. It's like basketball is gonna be back just before Christmas as well. Lakers, Duck Nguyen has my Lakers. There you go, man. Tramont waters right here, all right. Next box, good luck. The Lakers might play their traditional Christmas game. I don't know how much LeBron's actually gonna play though. I don't think a lot of the, if the players had their choice, I don't think they would wanna start this early. I think the league kind of needed to and they didn't wanna interrupt the Olympic basketball calendar as well next summer. They gotta figure that out. There's Devin Booker, 12 out of 25. Nice one for the Suns. That's gonna go to Nolan. I think there's already, what, 10? Is that what I heard on the radio? 10 games shaved off of the regular season already so I don't think they wanna shave any more than that. Couple of nice Yannis's there defying gravity. And the base Yannis. Cody Martin, Isaiah Roby, and nice Tyler Hiro rated rookie. It's gonna be kind of a wild NBA calendar. I think in a couple of weeks, there'll be the draft. We also have Panini Prism draft picks up on the site right now if you wanna check that out, jaskyscasebreaks.com. But we've got the draft coming up in two weeks. Now I don't know when the NBA calendar opens up for free agency. So I think it's just gonna be crazy. Cause I'll have to do the draft, then free agency. You gotta figure out the cap amount. So I think Anthony Davis is supposed to re-sign with my Lakers, but they're figuring out what the total cap is gonna be. So then they could kind of pay accordingly and still have time to sign other guys and whatnot, figure out trades. I don't know, people got a redemption down there. People are saying Lamello's gonna go number one, right? Luca Donchich, my house. If Timberwolves want a Lamello, he's a guard, right? He's past called Siakam. And any guesses on the redemption? There's gold, Kyle Guy. So they got D'Angelo Russell out there. If they get like a Lamello, D'Angelo Russell kind of backcourt, is that the idea? Cause they got a big in Carl Anthony Towns and they can fill out that team. I don't think the Warriors have a couple guards. I don't think Lamello would fit there. We got Kyle Guy, clearly raided rookie autographs for the Kings. That'll be for Sacramento, that'll go to Kevin. There's a good chance that the Warriors might trade that pick, that number two pick. I think it's Timberwolves one and two, or Timberwolves one and Warriors two. I forget who has like the third pick, but that draft in a couple, the 18th, I think, the 18th of November should be pretty interesting to see. There's out of 49 stargazing, Anthony Davis. Goes to the Lakers, stuck with that one. Hornets are three. Man, at some point though, the Hornets have been accumulating all sorts of these top draft picks. That team's got to click at some point, right? You would think, and there's a Zion. If Vlad Guerrero Jr. can shed some LBSs, maybe just a little bit off that Zion frame. I think people would really like that. Palakins, Brian, nice. There's a Kobe White for Duck as well. At some point, that Hornets team has been accumulating draft picks, that team's got to click at some point. There's Yannis and a LeBron James and another Kobe White. Nice box there, two more to go. More on the store, jaskyscasebrakes.com. I'm pretty sure we have another, do we have a pick your team in the store? I'm pretty sure, but pick your team. Let me just look really quick. No, we don't. Maybe this is it, maybe we're done. I don't know, we'll check to see if there's any more or maybe we're getting more soon. There's LeBron James with the gold foil on that. Champion. And the Yannis ante de Campo for the box that's gonna go to Nolan. Nice, Lucodontagis and a numbered Zion Williamson. 24 out of 99. You can kind of see the blue foil on that. That's a nice one. Brian got randomized the pelicans, very nice. Even these Lucodontagis have been selling pretty well. The second year Lucas, that is for Alberto and the Dallas Mavericks. That's his early bird spot. Stargazing Damian Lillard, Tramot Waters, Trey Young, Pascal Siakam. We got a rated rookie gold, Daniel Gafford. The final box here in random team six. Thanks for joining us. I wonder if we have any available, I don't know, I would check with Teddy Jaspy. At Jaspy's breaks on Instagram, he might have some personal boxes left of this clearly Donnerus. If you wanna box all for yourself. It's okay to be greedy. Check it out. At Jaspy's breaks on Instagram live only. And we've got a redemption right there. Any guesses on that redemption for bragging rights? Isaiah Robe and Tyler Hero right here. Miami Heat, Alberto with the Heat. Kevin guessing a John Morant, that would be nice. That would make Anthony very happy. Terence Davis for the Raptors, that would make, that's what Oliver is guessing, that would make Oliver very happy. Jaylen Noel, Lukas Amanic. There's Kyrie Irving. And the redemption, Nick's guessing a Tyler Hero redemption. It's gonna be Bowl Bowl, Denver Nuggets. That's gonna go to Jeremy 33, the big man. And you get a free topler out of that too. And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Joe for Jaspy's casebreaks.com. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. And I will see you next time for the next break. Bye-bye.