So to introduce ourselves. My name is Liam. This is Valentin. We are from Europeana in this hat You probably know some of us either of us or both of us with different hats They we are representing Europeana the metaglam of Europe Elects the records of cultural heritage institutions of all types across Europe to make them visible searchable discoverable in interesting ways that they would not necessarily be Just on the collection of their own institution. It's a European Commission funded project. So public European cultural heritage for the win I will be handing most of the presentation across to Valentin who is the data coordinator for Europeana and You'll be presenting the kinds of things that we currently do and wish to do with Europeana and Questions about how we should move forward in that direction in the future Valentin Hi So yeah, so the idea of this session is we wanted to do a small presentation to put things into context But then we wanted to give you the floor for more questions so because we really want to have a discussion with you and in this discussion in fact, we would like you to You could sync with different point of view So this presentation is the Europeana point of view But we would like also to have feedback more from the glam's part But also if you are we key data again What do you think also about the the different thing we are going to present and the question we are going to propose to you So yeah, so quickly. What is your penalty? I'm already the short introduction. So You open eyes the platform for Europe Digital cultural heritage. So we aggregate metadata from all the EU countries so at the moment it's around 3500 galleries libraries audio visual archive archives across Europe We have around 53 millions objects and we have to cover Around 50 languages. So it's either the languages of the objects we collect Metadata for all the language of the metadata themselves. So this is an extra challenge For us. So you can imagine when we collect all those data We are also collecting huge amount of reference to Places people concept time, which is also what you have in wiki data. So The idea is So coming back to 2015 so there was a Europeana wiki media task force looking at how wiki media could work With your payana and and this report gave several recommendations and one of those recommendations back in 2015 was make wiki data a central element of the platform at a portal to platform strategy for your payana So moving your payana into not just being a portal, but also becoming a platform. So Yeah, we are not saying anything anything new. So it was already a recommendation that was was down a long time ago and now the idea is to Slowly but hopefully surely to realize this this vision we had in 2015 So what we do at your payana at the moment is trying to Move towards a link data strategy and trying to use a bit more all these data we we collect About yeah references to places people etc. So what we are building currently is what we call an entity collection. So Beside all the metadata we collect about our object the descriptions for the book the painting We are also collecting data about specific entities and the idea is to build a service that acts as a centralized point of reference to access the data about those contextual entities So we want to use them as entities that can provide context to the object We are describing on the objects people can access through the your payana portal And this would become a sort of your payana knowledge graph So again an idea that is very similar to what wiki data is in some ways and this is not new So you have the Google knowledge graph So decide the idea is for your payana to have a kind of knowledge graphs that then we could use Within your payana within the your payana services to build different kind of cool stuff so from for example using the entity collection as the base to have Entity base facet in the your payana portal Using it for semantic and metadata notation creating entity pages. So the example is the the first The first relief of the first release of the entity page we have in your payana So they are very simple, but it's it's a starting point or using this entity collection also to feed some Services such as auto completion. So when users search in your payana, they can have this Suggestion for entity and then move More and more from a free text search to an entity based search so What data we have so far so previously to this entity collection your payana was already Was already starting to do some data enrichment and to do data enrichment we We started by linking our data to some quite Big corpus quite generic because they were giving a nice coverage of the entities your payana has and also because your payana has To cover many languages. So when looking for Potential potential source for linking we were looking at those big corpus that provides a lot of languages. So For places we are linking to geonames For the agents to dbpedia and for the concept to dbpedia. So this was the first Base for the entity collection So what was done is all these data that we were using for data enrichment Well, this data was indexed in your payana and then we have separate We have used this base to build the entity collection and now the idea is why not making wiki data? The base for this entity collection. So it's at the moment. You see we use a lot of dbpedia and then the idea is to Get into the entity collection more links to to wiki data and So we are ready We have already starting to do it So this is few screenshots to show you how it is at the moment in your payana. So again, there is not so much wiki data This entity collection is based on the data We had at the beginning so all the language variants for example are mostly coming from dbpedia at the moment So you can see the data representation. We have the Creator pages of for example this one for Coco Chanel. So it's very few information But we hope that those pages will gather more and more information and then you also see the Suggestion the auto suggestion when you search in your payana We are also using wiki data in other ways so beside the entity collection At the moment we are using wiki data more and more to support Annotations so either to tag your payana items So we have this mini service called your payana radio where basically we wanted to offer the possibility to people to tag Sound item with sound genre and we have used those from wiki data We are also linking your payana items to external resources. So either wiki data resources Hello to wiki media comments and of course Even so at the moment we are linking your payana to wiki data But we know that some people have helped us to do also the linking the other way around so because this is also Really valuable to us, but unfortunately This is something we might not have time to we might not have time to spend on this So it's also a question maybe for later how we can collaborate in a way that maybe if glams makes an effort to Link to wiki data how we can also have the linking back And I don't know maybe the wiki data community can help into that because The glams might not have the resources to to do the linking in a in both ways And so this is an example so the your payana radio so you have a sound So a sound recording and basically we are offering the possibility to tag the item directly with sound genre from from wiki data and then we are showing the user annotation in the portal and Also linking to wiki media comments for images So So far so we have done this linking We are trying to link more and more to wiki data But the problem for us is how the collaboration should happen and how we should Try to to use how we should try to use wiki data So even though your payna is doing this so we are doing these strategies to link to wiki data because for us It's it's easier and wiki data is is the resource we need it's big covers a lot of languages The problem is we work a lot with glams that might have smaller vocabularies smaller Teaser eyes that are very relevant to us, but we can't link to those because it takes a lot of effort So another part of the discussion is how Your payna can also benefit from this work from glams through wiki data So whether we should encourage glams to also use wiki data for their own Vocabularies so that services like your payna can also benefit from those through wiki data So maybe yeah, it's maybe for later for the discussion to sink around this kind of Virtual circle how wiki data can how your payna can benefit from wiki data and also benefit from Resources from smaller glams and how wiki data can also reuse those resources because I guess having links to more Maybe control us authorities in wiki data. I can also make wiki data Can also improve the credibility of wiki data as a source of data. So so yeah, this is a discussion and Looking at this example of linking to wiki media comments also bring us to another topic another project Which is the structured data on comments because this is also something that is going to be become really relevant for your payna And maybe to the glam so how to link to digital resources From the your payna perspective We are looking very closely at how the project is evolving and we can already say that one point that is Going to be really crucial for from our point of view is if we want to reuse the work Of structured data on comments interoperability will be crucial and especially in term of right statements because basically If structured data on comments doesn't provide clear rights information in a structured way of representing those rights We won't use it. So it's something also to to to include in the discussion What should be the requirements for wiki data for wiki media for structured data on comments so that's all the in Projects such as your payna or the glimes can also reuse it because it's not you just create something and you say well use it We have also to think about the the requirements. So maybe Yeah, the Difference from for your piano in strategy that are in commons Compared to previous work with wiki media comments directly is it? It's the first time that we start to talk about things that are often work or in copyright Previously, your piano obviously with wiki media commons can only talk about and utilize Out of copyright or freely licensed Works under creative commons now we can start to talk about wiki data items and entities and things that are often works Which is a whole new layer of copyright shenanigans that we've never in the wiki media community Had to deal with before because it's just out of scope But wiki data means we can talk about Contemporary artworks as well and use the use metadata for contemporary artworks. Just not the images of them So it's a new field of copyright wiki media is not experienced in yet Yeah, so the question is whether initiatives like rise statement dot org that provides structured way to represent a rise statement can be something useful that Structured data on commons could reuse for example So your Pena has also participated to to other activities such as your Pena 280 that Allowed the creation and improvement of some wiki data item related to art and we are also trying to Try to start the discussion and for example, we have written this blog which was explained to glance partner how they can align their Authority authorities using mix the mix and match tool so So yeah, this is a kind of summary of where we are and what we do So of course you can already try the entity So the entity API which allows you to access to the entity collection data So you can find all those links in the ether pad that is attached to our session And we will we are there with with Liam. So if you have any questions or feedback, please let us know so The discussion we wanted to to ask you today And this is going along the points that I've tried to raise during the the presentation So how should your Pena and its partner glance better integrate? With wiki data how wiki data can benefit from your Pena's work or also other glass work in this area and what should be the concrete step for participation because quite often We we want to have some initiatives such as project or use wiki data into some campaigns But it's not always clear. What are the steps we need for participation and what are the different requirements such as for example If you want to link your data to wiki data The first step is to create this ID that will help you to this wiki data ID property that helps you to do the connection So if you don't know that You are a bit stuck. So this kind of requirements and then also starting the discussion on structured data on comments how what about the integration with this project because I guess the experience with wiki data can also help us in Trying to have a better approach towards integration with this new project and try to accelerate maybe a bit more the adoption Of this so yeah, those are questions for you Our job is done. I would say from now and and yeah, so I don't know if anyone would like to Just answer to one of those questions or share remarks or anything that can help us to to have this Discussion together and I think the presentation after also coming back on this topic So maybe we will have time in during the session to to improve on that So if anyone would like to respond to these questions or and ask a question relating to the presentation Stefan while the microphone comes to you remember that your piano is not a glam in the traditional sense of a cultural heritage Institution with its own collection we aggregate through national aggregation authorities of Europe The collections of other kinds of institutions. So the diversity of content and input metadata is very high Some people think that that's the diversity of that content therefore the inconsistency of that in content is our fault not really what we try and increase the quality and Detail and openness of that input data But it is in our interest as Europeana to encourage more Openly accessible high quality standardized metadata from the institutions as well Stefan yeah, I just wanted to break the ice to be the first. Thank you end of the discussion. I think I Would really like to see efforts in two Areas once is is to use Europeana and the whole network behind it the aggregators you have mentioned which we are one in Germany to use the the experts the metadata experts like Valentin who are natural allies are drawn to to wiki data to use them as multipliers, I think Daniel meet you talk in a lightning talk before about these these engagement projects how how we organize outrage for wiki data and I think one could switch a bit from the Wikimedia and residents to to train or to to to to Make the people working in the glam aggregation institutions Advocates for wiki data, and I think the willingness is really really there Lots of people are quite keen. It's not so easy. I myself not being a metadata expert, but Quite worse in the wiki wasm still find it There's a steep learning curve and if you have have the the luck to to be guided into the world of wiki data It gets quite easy easier if you know a person next to you working in the same museum That's something that helps to to break the ice. I think and the other thing is tooling, but we will talk about that later so just in term of collaboration so Because I'm not sure so I think your ideas are really good Then I'm not sure at what level so when we say glam's collaborating with wiki data for you. It's would Should glam's directly interact with wiki data or do we think work towards? Linking the authority files that already exist in the libraries museum to wiki data would be more relevant because I think From what I've heard this morning There is different strategy either doing collaboration directly by editing wiki data or Linking so I don't know in the glam world Where the forces should be and and how glam see that and maybe from a wiki data perspective What do you think is the most useful for the for wiki data as a as a platform and as a Database I think it's a there's still a difference of cultures and if you don't experience The wiki version and wiki data and the specific culture And I think it helps if you if you build your queries and and try to edit stuff and use the tools available Even if you just want to link to it. I think to have a have a Force of people that are well-versed in the wiki way and and can communicate I think it's really a bit of a cultural difference because And that's why I think it's good to speak the language and I think you need to have to be a bit of wiki data fluency Even if you don't want to want to go that far and especially the multipliers should be it should be we should be We should be well-versed and be proper wiki data people In order to to to have the movement. Can I summarize that as your piano should be using its position in Relationship to national aggregating authorities to talk to them Not spending our time so much trying to advocate wiki data necessarily to the individual institutions But we should be trying to increase the training and awareness and technical capability with the national aggregating authorities That's okay. Do we have any other we have a couple of minutes left. We have a another question. Yeah Mm-hmm What kind of tracking tools do you have to see the penetration of wiki data in the Glam's and in your a piano the different databases there? Is there like some do you have something that says over the top hundred Glam's in Europe? Such and such percentage of the databases are actually integrated with wiki data, so we know where to focus I Don't think we have done the this work of Of really looking at the numbers. I know already that there are a lot of big Vocabularies that are already linked in wiki data. We will hear about GND. We have 80 But as far as I know in the inside the data we receive and we aggregate I don't think I Would say less than 10 percent really has wiki data links in there So in the data we receive we don't see them much unless there was some campaign And then we know why people have added the specific links So so yeah, even and and they don't and also there is not so much discussion on The institution letting us know that this has been done so we don't necessarily know so but on the tracking and statistic itself we haven't done that work yet Would like to respond to the first question So how should your piano? That's partner glam better integrate wiki data I think you should your piano is mainly a very network of Glam's and there's a lot of context you should encourage good things within the network like Have everyone develop an open access policy make it clear how we can reuse their data Have them use stable identifiers would also be nice if your piano started providing stable identifiers We have a lot of broken links right now those kind of things. I think that scales much better than Then trying to do an end-to-end problem But for the broken links, it's not always our fault because basically the link to the objects are the links to the resource from the Institution so if they change the link and they don't let us know That's why the link seems is broken. So that it's also part of another collaboration point. I guess Yeah, I just want to say I missed the first minutes of your presentation But I'm really looking forward to the entity collection coming coming together because that's going to be like an aggregate of the terminology of European culture, so I think we should really Try to work together and you being able based on the work that we do on wiki data to clean it up and to link it together because that's really Powerful link that we can make so I see lots of potential there Which events? And just a quick point really about the the first point there The National Library of Wales has got several collections With detailed metadata and they've been shared with your piano But there's there's nothing on wiki data or in your piano to connect the two things together So we definitely I think I don't know whether it's a matter of creating Identifiers in wiki data to show that something's part of European or as well as a glam collection But I think it would definitely be good to develop some way of connecting connecting these things together There is already the European ID property in wiki data so And obviously an image of a painting is not necessarily this and a wiki data item Are not necessarily the same thing there might be 25 images of that one painting and Europeana might have 25 other images of that painting, but there already is the wiki data property Europeana ID so that can be used as the The linchpin for that that triangle Yeah, it was just a general point about the The some that you mentioned about getting you know facilitating the links from their side into wiki data like or you know if they want to handle on one side Because I feel like it's a really low hanging fruit for all these places that are worried about copyright They have to give anything away Just focusing on that means that they end up with this massive mapping and the minute They're ready we can just you know click the button and pull in the identifies on our end But I really feel like it's a it's a powerful thing to encourage So if your piano was encouraging that it would be your real benefit We do require that all metadata is cc0 coming in from the institutions as well. So it's all cleaned But but it's the kind of thing that I think should be Promoted in a way, you know, because if a museum has a bunch of links to wiki data ready And they might not have the time to do the the the relation in the other way on wiki data Who should we contact because I know there might be some of you that could do that after their work in the evening, you know And then in a way doing it in a much faster way than Me at your partner trying out for two days, you know, so it's just I think I mean as you said That's why the presentation was called low hanging fruits because I think there is a lot of potential there But sometimes might be this tiny thing That we might not know so so yeah if I don't know it could be also on the wiki data side Whether there would be a place where we can ping someone and said well, I have all these link and you do a burn back a batch upload to wiki data to have those those relation back to your partner that that sort of thing so I think that could be The thing the community can could work a bit better in terms of communication Yeah, but just yet absolutely but I think that's the other crucial thing is hearing the communication of what you need And I think the the person having a point of contact is really critical and that will be the last question So I don't know about the Your licensing of course for for the images and all you could have different license What about the metadata? Is it CC0 all the time all the time metadata requirement of of sending into Europeana metadata is CC0 the license of the content and the license of the original object we have a lot of Political statements or policies in Europeana to encourage open licensing of the material as much as possible We have a position statement saying that you may you should not claim new rights Okay, just because you own the object and you digitized it. Yeah, but Europeana does not have the political power or to enforce that Okay, no, we encourage that but the input information and the copyright information coming in from those institutions about what kind of reuse they are comfortable with We encourage more open, but we can't enforce that and we have tracking levels of what proportion of our collection Has an image has a high resolution image has a reusable high resolution image, etc. Etc. And we are always encouraging More of that the metadata Okay, so it's easy to if you want we can import it to the big data Yes, okay, and obviously the quality of the metadata depends on the input information. We don't Say that's wrong. That's their responsibility for their collection. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, thank you Next one


It's hard to think of druids without thinking about their staff. That magical tool has such mystery and power associated to it. Hi and welcome to Esoteric Moments. Today, I'm going to share with you how to make a druid staff and the ways you can use it in your practice. Before we get into the video, just a quick reminder that you don't need any tools to be a druid or to practice druidry. Tools allow us to be more efficient and certainly enjoy some practices more, but it is not necessary. If you feel like it's worthwhile to make or invest in finding tools for your practice, great. Then hopefully this video will help you as you make your druid staff. My druid staff is made from a beech tree and it has three stones on it attached with leather. The stones are amethyst, turquoise, and lapis lazul. Now, the four steps to creating your druid staff begin with finding your branch. I would suggest forming a relationship with a special tree and really asking permission from the tree in order to use one of its branches. Doing some research beforehand on the tree and its magical properties is a great way to get started. Druids often enjoy using oak trees or maybe a branch from another olem tree, but really what tree species calls to you and what you feel a magical affinity to will be the best. Also keep in mind when you're picking out the branch that you want it to be a comfortable staff height. So many people that means that it's going to hit kind of your elbow and maybe have a nice hand hold right where your elbow is at a nice 90 degree angle. Some people really like that super tall standing out staff, but that type of staff will be harder to walk around in the woods. So keep in mind that balance between practicality and magicalness. Step number two is preparing the staff for use. For me, this meant removing the excess bark that was flaking off and rubbing it with linseed oil as a finishing and protectant. For you, it might mean just brushing dirt off. Whatever is going to allow you to use the staff cleanly and effectively. I would avoid the most intense chemicals for finishing off a staff, but you know, whatever works for you. When I used linseed oil on my staff, I first did a light sanding of the entire branch, rubbed linseed oil, let it dry, sanded again, rubbed linseed oil, and I did that about three or four times to really allow the branch to get a good soaking of the linseed oil. So hopefully it will live for many years, even as I tromp up and down the woods in wet rainy days or snowy days. Okay. Step three, you will want to pick out decoration. I've seen a lot of incredible staffs where people have used wood burning tools to carve ruins or olem into their staff. I've also seen people who have painted their staffs and that's lovely. And other people who go like me into just adding crystals or other feathers, things that bring joy and really connect to the magical elements of their staff. Think carefully about what symbols you are going to add to your staff and make sure that the way the symbols react to your inner world and your magical practices are really on the same level. So a staff is a tool that will be used for directing energy, walking, and movement and magical connection. So perhaps picking symbols that go against those ideas won't be as useful in a finished product. Okay. Number four is often called consecrating or kind of initiating its grand life as your druid staff. This is also the beginning of your relationship with the staff. I would suggest opening up a magical circle, maybe beginning your ritual like you do a regular sabbath or asbestos situation and then taking a moment to call out to the spirits of place, to whatever deity you work with and really form a relationship. Offer it up as a new magical tool, ask that it be a auspicious tool in your workings. When I did kind of my first ritual and initiation with my druid staff, it was a pretty powerful experience for me and I really felt that staff come alive and have a connection. I also think that another great way particularly for a staff to be consecrated or initiated would be to go on your first walk together. You don't have to do a high end ritual to begin your relationship. Using it as its practical tool the first time is also a great way. Now that you have this magical staff that you love and you've started a relationship, what do you do with it? What does a staff actually work as as a druid? Druids will give you different answers but generally a staff is used a little bit like a wand and a little bit like a walking stick.  My staff is very musical, there are a lot of sounds that it makes because my stones just are free flowing and as I walk and set my staff down it also makes another noise. This rhythm and beat that I form between walking and the staff moving helps really get me in a mindset that leads me open to hearing the rest of the land and connecting magically to things. I love the way that when using my staff during a magical meditation I can feel the energy of the earth and that place really kind of form a circuit between my body, the staff and my feet and that motion and sound that I hear as I'm using it and walking with it takes me to another place and that communication between human mind and other world and earthly world is much easier, just flows in a different way. As I'm communicating with the land in this way I can often get images or sounds of stories of maybe what happened here before and I can also get a sense of where the land needs assistance or requests that are coming to me. It's a little like doing a magical soil sample of the land. You get a sense for what is really abundant and what is maybe lacking in that space. You can also use a magical staff, kind of like a wand when you open a circle. Many druids will use it to cast the directions and open their circle. This is another great use of your druid staff. It can also be a powerful meditation tool just to hold it and connect to that specific tree spirit that you formed a relationship with before making your druid staff. Connecting with the trees I think is a time-honored tradition of druids and is a wonderful way to find new wisdom and new paths for your druid practice. In the comments below tell me whether you have a druid stuff and what your favorite way to use it is. I am curious to hear your stories. Today's sapling shout out goes to AlineMac1 over on Instagram. She had a couple posts where she compared the obad ovate grade cover of the new course to the old course and she shared that with me and we had a great conversation about the ovate grade over on Instagram. Thanks for watching and as always may you find peace in the sacred grove.


Welcome to PlusPolitics. My name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. Nigeria's two largest opposition parties have called for the cancellation of the country's presidential election over allegations that the electoral commission, INEC, did not comply with the law in the collation and announcement of the results. The PDP and LP made their positions known at a press conference attended by their vice presidential candidates Yifan and Dati Baba Ahmed of the People's Democratic Party and the Labor Party, respectively. At the press conference, the two parties also demanded that the chairman of INEC, Mahmood Yakubu, must step aside over what they described as electoral irregularities and malfeasance. INEC has since replied, saying its chairman would not resign and that any party agreed with the election process should follow the law to air its grievances. In response to that, the all-progressive Congress APC and its presidential candidate Bola Tinobu, his running mate Kashim Shetema, have filed a suit to block any move aimed at stopping the collation and announcement of the presidential election. Today, the electoral commission, INEC, declared Bola Tinobu the candidate of the Nigeria's ruling party, APC, as a winner of Saturday's presidential election. Tinobu defeated 17 other candidates who took part in the election, scoring a total of 8,794,726 votes, the highest of all the candidates, thus meeting the first constitutional requirement to be declared the winner. He also scored over 25% of votes cast in 30 states, more than the 24 states constitutionally required. Joining us to discuss this are Tunji Abdul Hamid, a member of the Quora State PDP PCC and State Campaign Council. Comrade Eragbe Anselm, also is the national youth leader of the Labour Party. And we also have Murshud Issa, media officer of Yaga Africa. Tunji is so glad to have you on the show this evening. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here. Okay. Okay. I don't know whether I should say finally a presidential, a president-elect has been announced, but a lot of dust has been raised by the process and all that. Let me first of all ask you what your take on the process was leading up to the announcement of the APC presidential candidate, Bola Akwa Tinobu as the president-elect. I am highly disappointed regarding the process. The process We seem to be having some challenges there with Tunji. Okay, Tunji, go ahead. Applying with the promises. They made a lot of promises regarding the particular beefers and I couldn't see any of them. So people were raised that it went down on the last year of election. In fact, let me start from my own words. The election did not start on 11 o'clock in my word, 11 a.m. And the alarm system clock, they were threatening to close when we have thousands of people still waiting to food. So the process, I am highly disappointed in the process. It did not show enough transparency. There's no credibility as far as I'm concerned and that drops on the presidential candidate as far as I'm concerned. It happened during this process of collation, the process of voting and all that. But first of all, leading up to this, you said that our hopes were raised. One of the reasons why the hopes were raised is the fact that a document was signed in 2022 and that is the electoral act. That is the electoral act that also brought about the beefers that gave hope to the people. Would you say that the electoral act was a waste of time? Or do you say it played a significant role in this election in spite of the discrepancies that we have seen? Was there any role, important role that this electoral act played that showed us that there's something that has changed from the old ways of doing things? Specifically regarding the outcome of this election, electoral act is not a much part in terms of changing anything because the old process is what the INEC adopted, rather than the new process which everybody believed would change the narratives. People were encouraged to participate, to collect their photographs, even though the turnout was a bit low. But now, on Sunday, all the provisions in the electoral act which people believed would change the situation of change the way our managers have been though, they were not followed, they were totally ignored by INEC. All the issues regarding what they would do and how they would send it to cyber, all that drama, all that escalation before the election, they were being given trust, all that denial by the INEC chairman because I remember one people were saying there's a plan by INEC to get changed the use of beefers and IREF. He came out and denied it publicly. What do we see today? He didn't follow it. The judiciary is completely, he didn't even do anything with it. So I think the hope by the people, by the youth that we are going to a stage where the vote will count, I think it's been eroded by this process. The process was not transparent at all. It's not about because Ashwajibon mentioned which from the APC won the election. If it's free and fair, you know what I'm saying something is free and fair. It's not about only what you say. If people will see it as free and fair, you can see the mood of it in the state. But not people that there's not much celebration in the state regarding the outcome of it. So it shows that it is not reflecting the wishes of the people. And as far as I'm concerned, I blame INEC for this. INEC, if they show clearly, in other words, that there is agitate that show clearly that they are being compromised. Whenever we're talking, especially after the collation and announcement of this result or during the process of collation, the uproar was much. It's still there. People are protesting, especially the PDP and the Labor Party. And you've just said that the Electoral Act did not do much to change from the old ways to new ways that all of us were hoping will be the order of the day. But my question is, before this, we had some kind of signs that these Electoral Act may not be followed. And if there's any attempt to follow it, maybe from some quarters, maybe from the judiciary or from the players in the political space, they will try to scuttle this or they will do what we do not expect them to do. And the parties, like your party, did not cry as much as they're crying now. It seems as if they were waiting for this to happen before they start to cry, as it is. I give you an instance. So many people have said that in the case of Uber, for instance, where the Senate president is from, the Electoral Act was jettisoned for something else, and that is why he was able to emerge. We also have the case in Acquibam State, where the former governor, Coswin Acquibam, imaged the senatorial candidate in means that a lot of people were not comfortable with. But there was no cry that if this is happening now, it may happen in the general election. Why were the people silent? Why was PDP silent when all these things were happening, even though it was not in their party? That is not fair, because it is, and it's not correct that people were silent when those things were happening. There was a lot of noise regarding those issues. There are so many complaints, so many protests regarding the issue of the president, what's it called, the Senate president and Governor Apabio. There was a lot of protests. There were a lot of issues. The issue is beyond this time around. In those cases, I will not blame Aine Kindergarten, and that's why people did not put that. It's about the court, and I'm not blaming the court as well. It's about the court not applying the proper procedure or proper law, not following the law. The issue we're having here, what we have in this presidential election, it's not about anybody, it's about Aine Kindergarten. That's what you have mentioned, and it has nothing to do with Aine Kindergarten at that stage. It was the court that later validated the illegality perpetrated in courts, in my own opinion, by the European and the archival. It was the court, so you won't blame Aine Kindergarten. Even despite that, people still complain that we have electoral acts, we say we don't participate in primary, or if a candidate is not that, or withdrew from the race, you can't move in. Unfortunately, Aine Kindergarten has no power to reject any candidates, so the court is supposed to right the wrong. They decided not to do that, rather they went on technicality and then throw away the good work of the electorate. We have good intention by those who made the law, some of these, even though there are loopholes here. I remember when the electorate was made, I was one of those who raised an issue, for the time that Aine Kindergarten Section 66, Section 5, which gives Aine, the discretion to determine the mode of transmission. I said, by this section, you are giving them opportunity to do Magomago whenever they want to do it. Why not make it clear, the mode of transmission, even though we are told that look, the Aine Kindergarten has the power to make a regulation, Section 148 of the electorate is there, Section 161 of the Constitution also gave them the power to make a regulation. They made these regulations, they did not follow each. In other words, they made a law, I'm afraid to follow that law, because I know some people argue that regulation is not law, it's law. There are different types of law that we have, we have primary law, we have secondary law. These regulations are secondary, they are called delegated legislation, and they are law, so they are supposed to be followed. The Aine Jettitionate completely, he was deliberate, and you see, my problem is that when issue arises and people raise those questions at that time, they will come up and say, it's not like that, it's not, and people will give them benefit of doubts, but now we are seeing people raise issue regarding Aine trying to Jettition by Bifas and IREF, and the chairman of the Aine came up and do a conference and said, there is no attempt to do that. What did he do today? He didn't follow it, so I thought I'm concerned, I don't have confidence and trust in our Aine Chairman again. The Aine Chairman is compromised, I thought I'm concerned. That's my position. This election, he thought, no matter how good the election is, if at all, there is no credibility in it, there is no fairness in it, it is the worst election I've ever seen in my life in this country. Okay, but you just said that there was uproar when those things were happening and people were getting tickets and Jettisoning what was provided for in the Electoral Act and it ended at the table of the Supreme Court and other courts, and whatever the problem here is, it will still go to the same courts. So if the uproar before now did not end in the way that you thought it's going to end, do you have any confidence that this one will be any better than what you clamored for earlier? So we did not go to court before the Aine Chairman, if it's sincere, can rise out those runs. You made a promise that, look, this is the revelation, this is the way a manna is ought to be announced, this is the way a manna, that they're pulling it after the election. It's going to be a play that's all gone down. And they were asking questions regarding that. They were saying they hope to have done it at the local level. At the local level, they were also saying, no, you can't do it yet. Are you saying, I think it's assumed to be the Supreme Court here. So if the issue is not raised at the lower court, you can raise it at the Supreme Court and you will have to look into it because it's part of the issue. They refuse to do that. If the Supreme Court was drawn to it, because he has his mind made up as to what he wanted to do. I saw he was excited to go ahead with this and he's aware that in Nigeria, once a matter is concluded, but it's not an official election and it's taken to court, it is clear that it will be difficult for anybody to turn it down. So that's what they want to put places into. They know our system in Nigeria, that our court is not reliable in terms of, we do respect, it's not reliable in terms of respecting justice because judgment in this in Nigeria is being given. There's no sentiment. This is not law. I'm concerned, I'm a lawyer. I know I will do respect. I don't have a apology for it. Some of the time when they beat the judges, I'm not saying that there are no good judges. I'm not saying there are no good people in our judiciary. I'm not saying we don't have clean judges. I don't have funny judges. But I'm saying, all of the people that have been asked to undo all of these electoral political matters, some of them, most of them, they have been compromised. They are compromised and don't follow the law. They are there. They follow interest and they follow sentiment in some way. They are there and look at the issue. They'll now look for one technicality or the other to throw it away. And the chairman of Nigeria is aware that when this matter gets to court, it will be difficult for them to review out of it. So let me just conclude the process. Go and find it out. I know you're not going to get it done. It is not fair for us. We can correct, you can wrong, you can right it wrong. What is the reason why they were not uploaded? The reason is that some of the results were being changed. In my set, it happened. I'm telling you, we have some of the results that have been cancelled, that have been written. We have some areas that are over 40. And they did clearly results. So they will say, go to court. So go to court, as far as I'm concerned, is an attempt to say, just go and we have done our own. This is what we want to achieve or have achieved. Go and set yourself as well. We can grow in that manner in this country. We can grow. Let's do the right thing at the right time. Not, not, not, let's push ourselves, not push responsibility for that person. In the chairman now puts his, puts his responsibility to court. The one, when he has failed is his own responsibility. As far as I'm concerned, the in the chairman did not do well at all.  I have been 40 for years and this is the worst one. In fact, as far as I'm concerned. We'll come back to you, but we're being joined by Mosud Issa, the media officer of of Iyaga Africa. Mosheud, welcome to the program. Thank you very much. Okay, Iyaga Africa has been making us proud, especially in the off-circle elections in Iquiti and Oshun. We were so glad that technology has come to stay in our electoral system. But in the last election, we didn't seem to get much from Iyaga Africa. And now, people are complaining about INEC and the way the results were transmitted and all that. But you were there in your situation room as well in Iyaga Africa. You knew what was going on. Explain to us why the things that happened happened. If there is something to bladder in our hearts or there is not. What really went on? Thank you very much. The electoral law actually guaranteed that INEC can actually deploy technology for accreditation. It also gave INEC the opportunity to actually use any technology that didn't fit to transmit results. We've seen how this actually worked out in Iquiti and Oshun. The beavers functioned in at least 92% of poll units in Oshun and Iquiti. In the many 8%, it malfunctioned, but it was fixed. And the situation with the 2019 election came with high expectations. Nigeria has expected a whole lot from the commission because the commission actually promised a whole lot. As regards functionality of the beavers, we could command INEC for deploying beavers across all 176,000 poll units. But the situation is where the beavers malfunctioned and it was not fixed. Unfortunately, in some locations, people resort to manual accreditation 1. And then another challenge is the fact that the commission had promised that it will upload election results to what is called the INEC Resort Viewing Potter. For the purpose of transparency, as at 10 o'clock, 10pm on election day, there are no results on the Potter. Why results were still being collated at various levels? So the concerns around transparency and why results were not uploaded on the Potter were actually valid concerns. Because it's an opportunity for people to compare results that are being announced to results that were uploaded on the Potter. As we speak at 4pm this afternoon, only 77% of the results have been uploaded so far. That is up to 4 or 5 days after the elections. So this brings around a question around transparency of the process. So again, I think at this level, on this level, I make actually full shot of expectations of Nigeria because they promised that Nigeria should be able to access poll unit results in real time. This question, these are challenges around electoral technology and this may not cast doubts in the minds of Nigerians that you promised that results would be uploaded on the Potter for people to access poll unit results. But then these results were not actually uploaded in real time. Then, of course, the question around perennial logistics challenges has been rethought. We had overcomings from what we had observed in Nikitian Nation where poll unit officials arrived on time in Nikitian Nation. But unfortunately, only 26% of poll units had opened as at 7.30. And only 41% of poll units have commenced accreditation as at 9.30. So this led to some kind of agitation and frustration that some people decided were frustrated and went and could not vote. There are some locations where elections have to go to the next day. So this led to some level of voter suppression and disenfranchisement. So in this case, on this regard with logistics and transparency in the area of technology, I think I make actually full shot of expectations. Okay. How did it affect your organization, for instance? Because a lot of people didn't even care about INAG portal. They were concerned about what Yaga, an independent body, will be uploading to the portal for people to see because we needed to see these results real time. How much did these feelings of INAG, these perceived feelings of INAG affect your organization in what you were supposed to do for the 2023 elections? Yes. So INAG, Yaga, Africa are planning to deploy what we call the Election Results Analysis Dashboard in Iran. And it's basically feed from the Result vim portal. The idea is to download results that are being uploaded on the portal and project it real time to the public. We know that not the entire engineers will be able to access the portal. So the essence is to download all the results and then project to the media to tell them locations where results have been uploaded, which political party is leading the near return for people to actually access this result. But like I said, as at 10 p.m. on election day, there were no results on the portal. This impacted on the fact that our plans to actually project results to Nigeria in real time was actually impacted on our plans to actually project results in real time to Nigeria. And this despite consistent promise by the commission that results will be uploaded in real time and Nigerians will have access to these results.  Even the world coalition officer will have probably seen the results and been able to compare to what they are being presented to him. But unfortunately it wasn't the case. And this actually casts doubt in people's mind. So I actually think this is actually another missed opportunity for INAG to actually boost citizens confidence in the process because of the competitiveness of the elections and Nigerians actually expected so much from this election. And again there are locations where we notice that although we have deployed observers to sample polling units across Nigeria and there are locations where we notice that the results observers sent to us directly from the polling unit is in contrast with what INAG eventually announced. That in two states, that is reverse state and emo state. The result we got from our observers who are deployed to the polling unit was a sharp contrast with the entire result that I've been announced. This is specifically for reverse state and emo states. Okay, but I just wanted to ask and you've said something a little bit about that. As an independent body, before I go back to Tunji who is also waiting here, the results that you have seen so far and the complaints that people are making, how these results were not just emo and reverse state. How much can you vouch for the results that came from any other state for that matter to you? People are saying that some discrepancies, some polling units had XYZ votes for a particular party. The ones that are uploaded are different and all that and all that. So many things are coming. What is your experience being like regarding these figures that are coming from the polling units and the ones that are on the portal? Some people even said that the results from some states were exactly the same, a thing that cannot be because the coincidence is too much. Whatever is for the presidential is the same one for the House of Assembly. I think Iochai Yu, the PDP chairman said something like that. We've also seen on the internet where some people tried to access, like the one who tried to access results from a kitty, I do a kitty precisely, and what was presented there was not the results sheet, it was the picture of maybe the ad hoc staff that did the job in a do a kitty. And so many other things that are being said. I'd like you to either confirm or deny that these things actually happened in your experience from the reports that you have seen so far. I'm talking to Mushud right now before I go back to Tunji. Hello Mushud, we don't seem to have Mushud there. Okay, Tunji you are still there. I hope you can hear me. I can hear you. Okay, very good. You are a lawyer and the provisions of the electoral act, we did see where it said the accreditation shall be done by, with the beavers. The uploading of the results from the polling units shall be done by, with the beavers through the method that will be decided by INEC. Does that not give them a free hand to do what they want to do, what they deem fit to do at a particular time? Would you say as a lawyer that that tells them that they must do it or they have options to do what they think is necessary at that time? Yeah, I say later on that by section CCS-05, the INEC has the power, has the discretion to determine how the result will be transmitted electronically. But the INEC, and by section 148 as well of the electoral acts, the INEC has the power to make it through some regulations. In this regard, before the election, INEC made regulations. And in the regulation, they said it would be transmitted fear to the beavers to try the power. So that regulation is also law. And the INEC refused to follow that process. And that's why I say there is no transparency in the manner and the INEC carries out their responsibility in terms of transmission of results. So I think INEC has done a lot to go against the electoral acts and its own regulation. So the law gave them the power, they gave them the discretion. But that discretion and that power were not used the way it might have to be used. Section 16-05 gave them discretion. Section 148 gave them the power to make rules and regulations. Section 162-01 of the constitution also gave them the power to make rules and regulations. We tried to recall the proceedings. And in their own regulation, in their own article 238 of the regulation, they said this is how we are going to transmit results through protest. We did not see that. And people, and questions were being asked by Dino Melahi at the Politian Center. He said, no, he will not answer that. I will not listen to that. They should go to the courts. So by implication, by implication, what I just want to understand, by implication, they are not really breaking the law by not uploading it directly from the polling units. Is that what you're saying? They are. They are. That's what I said. They are. They are breaking the law. Like I said, the law said they have the discretion to determine how to be transmitted. And they also have the power to make regulations. And that regulation, as far as I'm concerned, is law. It may not be. We have a primary law. We have a secondary law. That's a secondary law. It's what we call subsidiary legislation.  So that regulation is a law on its own. And so since they made that regulation, they are bound to follow it. And that's why when you look at the constitution, you can challenge elections by saying the elections are not followed. The constitution is not followed. All the regulations of the INEC are not followed. The regulation you're talking about now is words of mouth that maybe in a press conference or in response to a particular query, the chairman of INEC did say that they are going to do a particular thing. No, they have a regulation. They have a guideline that are released. That was a guideline released for this election. For every election that was a guideline from INEC, how it would go, how it would be conducted. That's a guideline. That guideline is what I call regulation. And that regulation was made in line with the law. The electoral act, section 148, gave them that power to make that regulation. Constitutional section 166 of section 1 gave them that power to make that regulation. So if you are making a regulation based on the constitution of electoral act, that regulation becomes law. It becomes subsidiary legislation. So that law is that section 8 of that guideline is what was said that the result will be transmitted via quarter. And that will be displayed. That was not done. That's a foundation of the rules. Yeah, now we're on the same page. Well, Moshud, I understand you're back. Can you hear me now? Yes, I can. Before you went off briefly, I was trying to ask you to confirm or otherwise if what the complaints that the people are giving are really true. Because I'm sure you have scrutinized what is on the portal and what is coming from so many other places from the polling units, from the states, from the local governments and all that so that you don't put what is not right in Yaga Africa. Am I right? So because we've heard complaints from someone like the chairman of PDP, EHRU, saying that two particular states had the same results for the presidential election, the same figures for the National Assembly, the same figures. We've also seen where people are complaining that they opened a portal and they go to a particular state and they're seeing results from another state being transmitted in that space. We've also seen someone who was trying to access the results from particularly a doikety and instead of seeing the results sheet, what was showing was the face, a passport of someone, a photograph of someone who maybe was the ad hoc staff of INEC or a staff of INEC, wherever it is, an electoral officer. But there was a picture, a persons picture instead of the election results. So have you seen these things that people are complaining about or we are just hearing complaints that are not verifiable? So first is, of course, I've seen the news to allow someone who uploaded his selfie to the results during the portal. Again, these questions are the training received by this staff and the level of seriousness put into this ad hoc staff and on how important this election is. As regards if two states have similar results, I have not had the opportunity to scrutinize all those results. Again, like I said, results did not come in real time as promised by the commission. But again, we said one of the principles of justice is that justice should not just be served, what should be seen as being served. The question we should ask, do Nigeria, after this election, do Nigerians now have more confidence in our electoral process? After the efforts that civil society organizations put in to promote, to amend the electoral act, to ensure electoral reform, are we impressed with the level of transparency and credibility of this process? The essence of election is to see that people have that belief that their votes actually counted, whether their preferred candidates actually won the elections or not. So again, for the fact that there are a lot of concerns being raised about this, most of them are actually valid, like I said, because there are gaps in, first, the commencement process. First, the commencement process does allow late arrival and late commencement of polls. There are gaps in that. There are also gaps in accreditation process, where at the beaver's malfunction, and it was not fixed, people were not able to vote on that day. That may have led to voter suppression. There are also gaps in the coalition process. If you were to depend on manual coalition, then there's no point talking about the result being put out to promote transparency. There are also gaps in that. And like I had mentioned, that the results we got from our observers at the beaver's state and emerald state were actually stark difference from what is being announced. When you give people opportunity or you create doubts in people's mind regarding the credibility of the process, that actually reduces people's confidence in the process. The commission made efforts, deployed the beaver's, made promises and all that. But at the moment, people begin to have doubts in the process. We conducted ECT and we conducted OSHO. We saw the reaction, the post-election reaction afterwards. And we observed the process. We knew what we saw in ECT and we knew what we saw in OSHO. And we knew the level of irregularity we have seen in this 2023 election. But the moment it began to create doubts in people's mind, even if the irregularities in this election were not substantial enough to overturn the results, but the moment it began to create doubts in people's mind regarding the credibility and transparency of the process. Remember there was gap in anything you had promised to do. Then it brings our question around the credibility of the process. For every word in INEC guidelines for this election, none of those words or sentences or policies in that guideline is being put there for the sake of it. For every word in that guideline, for every line in the INEC guideline, is to promote some level of credibility and transparency. But if for some reason you abdicate from implementing one of those guidelines that you created yourself, and we now say, oh, it doesn't matter, then it brings questions around your own credibility. If you had said you upload results on VIMPOTTA in real time for people to access it, and for some reason you don't say, oh, ADIAN people can go to court. The purpose for electoral reform, for electoral amendment, is to reduce the role of our courts, is to reduce the role of judiciary in the electoral process. The judiciary do not conduct elections. It is INEC that conduct elections. So the essence of improving our electoral process is to reduce the role of judiciary, because judiciary do not conduct elections. INEC should take full responsibility of the entire process. If you are talking about, oh, there are violence, and all that, and cancellation, you would understand that, oh, INEC do not have security of its own. But this is our own logistics, coalition of results, and gap in result coalition process that is full responsibility of INEC. So I think the commission should have taken full responsibility. Again, the law says that the INEC chairman has the power to review electoral results that are announced under duress, or electoral results that are announced not in adherence to the electoral law. So these being questions around what should we have done to actually prevent casting doubts on the commission's credibility, to actually prevent a lot of reactions, a lot of negative reactions about the process. Again, we will be having a governorship election in less than two weeks. After this conduct, will people be encouraged to actually vote on 11th of March, 2023, we should be asking these questions going into the next governorship elections. We have opportunity to redeem our image. If we had promised that we would do this, let's do this. We didn't promise it, we didn't put things in our electoral guideline for the sake of it. We actually put it because it will contribute to the credibility of the polls, it will contribute to the transparency of the polls. We cannot tell Nigeria that, oh, despite the irregularity, it was not substantial enough to overturn the outcome of the elections. We don't expect party supporters or candidates to actually take that to the bank. If there is any doubt, if there is any gap, people will definitely explore it and it will cast doubts on the credibility of the process. So I think we could have done better, we should have done better because Nigeria has expected more from this election due to its competitive nature. Okay.  We have very short time to say. What's the way forward? What is your party saying? It's one of the biggest opposition party. Apart from PDP, it is also Labour Party. But we have you today for the PDP. What do you intend to do? Because we cannot resort to anything that is illegal. So what legal steps do you intend to take? How do you intend to address these problems that you have perceived to have come out of this election? The only legitimate step to be taken by the party is to go to court, which is what the chairman of the INEC has wanted. Just like my colleague said, the INEC chairman has the power to review and he was asked to review and he refused. If to be an INEC chairman, I would have waited for that seven days between which I have the power to review before announcing the results to go and look at the complaint and see whether or not they are new and then I'll come out with my findings. But no, you won't do that because you have a plan. If I, if it is what happened with that political attack, that made me now that through what happened in my world, in my state, my world is the largest and that is why the most important comes from. The INEC, the INEC, they arrived in one of the policies there was at a level. At a level. So it turned out that it was deliberate to persuade us and to ensure that look, collaboration with the ruling party to be able to apply for a legitimate seat. In other words, or the square people from voting or even not allowed to vote. The results were not counted or announced until 1 a.m. Some are not even announced. Then after. And those results are not announced who are part of the results collected. I don't know how they got it. So there is no credibility that Michael Lee said because people, it's not only justice always to be done. There must be seen to have been done when people don't have confidence in you. In fact, if you have the next election you will not have no confidence. Because before this election people believed that we will be first. And with what we've seen, you know, soon we will get it. There is that hope that we are now getting to our destination that our vote will now come. With this one, people are doubted if people will not believe that our vote will secance. The only legitimate solution now is for us to, that is the only option. It's for them to go to court. Okay. Please just speak to you, to members of your party and all that. I know that the hierarchy has not said anything. They have all said that there is need to be peace. And people need to hear from as many mouths as possible. Talk to the supporters of PDP on how to take these election results and the way forward that you are proposing right now that your party is going to take. Just an advice to people who do not have the money to go and speak. So anyway, you say an advice, let me advise my people. People should go, there should not be crisis. We should follow the legal process and wait for the party to determine what they want to do and follow that step. There should not be crisis. We are all family. We are all Nigeria's and we should not be killing ourselves because of election that has gone on and lost in courts by somebody. So I employ our people to go to be peaceful and to conduct a fair without any bias or any protests or any disturbances of the peace. Yeah. I like it that you put it that way. That's what people need to hear right now. We cannot withstand another protest or another uprising and all that. But this is our Nigeria. We need to protect it. Let me also take a final word from our, the Moshud Isa. Talk to the people. People believed in INEG. INEG may have failed the people. They might have legitimate reasons why what happened happened and all that. We are yet to hear because when the cases go to court I'm sure that there will be an explanation that they have not given us up till this moment. But we believed also in Iyaga Africa that was supposed to be like an alternative to what INEG is going to do for us. Unfortunately, you depended solely on INEG. I wonder if you have a plan for the future so that if things like this happen you can still have information good enough for the people to digest and we can run to you as a reference point if we have complaints to make. Moshud. Okay. I think the commission should first investigate the circumstances or I don't know why we are not uploaded on the IRF. I also think the commission should make public the data of accredited voters from PIVAS. These are some things that would require the hope of Nigerians going into the 2023 governorship election. I think people should, Nigerians should remain hopeful should not be deterred. They should still come out and vote for their governors and state lawmakers of March 11, 2020. I think and I also urge Nigerians should I hope Nigerians to remain peaceful and encourage each other to actually come out and vote in the in the governorship elections. It's not it's not all who is not lost. I think the commission still have another opportunity to actually redeem itself going into the governorship elections. Thank you. Okay. Well, Tijani, Tunji, why am I calling you Tijani? Tunji, at least for the sort of places that you won for the houses members of the house of assembly that you won. Whether senators or house of red members that are going to be returned, we congratulate you for the successes so far. We congratulate you and hope that all these will end for the good of Nigeria and not just for individuals. I don't we don't care whether it's a party or an individual or anything. The ultimate goal is for a better Nigeria for tomorrow. So congratulations for the wins that you've had and we hope that God will give you the grace to take whatever comes up next after all the avenues are being explored. By the way, for today, thank you gentlemen for coming. Beginning with you, Tunji, thank you for coming on the program today. Thank you, Ravin. And Moschoudisa, media officer Yaga Africa, thank you for coming on the show. Okay. Moschoud just couldn't wait to leave or maybe he didn't hear us. Okay, this election, no matter how it has been, there are some wins that have been recorded. For instance, before now, it was difficult to hear that the sitting governor loses election to someone else. A sitting senator loses election to someone else. A sitting house of reps member loses election to someone else, especially when those people are from parties that were he thought to unknown. Like, for instance, the Labour Party. Okay, we have governors who lost the senatorial bid, for instance, Samuel O'Tom lost his senatorial bid. Anyway, he did say that if it means losing his senatorial seat in the upcoming election, he was ready to do that because of an interest that he had in someone else. If Anyo Buanyi also lost his bid, we also have Darius Ishaku, Simon Lalong, Ben Ayade, Siva State, Attiku Bagudu, all of them lost their senatorial bid. And someone else from the opposition party took that position. So it shows that there was some level of transparency. But whatever else we might have as grey areas, we do hope that in the coming days, these things will be addressed and we will be better for it. Nigeria is our country. We hope that we'll get better. Nhamgul Agadji is my name. Thanks for being there.


Now, Frank, this Brewer's team, they're a playoff contending team. Last year, they were close. Is this year's Brewer team a world series contending team? They're still a contender.  They've grown, that clubhouse has grown. The pitches is not the same. We expected the pitches to be the same as it was last year. Arm at the arm, at the arm coming out of that bullpen. It's not that way this year, but they're getting healthy.  They're gonna go head-to-head with the clubs all year long. I agree with the offense and Brandon Woodruff tonight, look at the part and why I say that is we saw him in the bullpen last year. This year as a starter, that's a guy moving forward that is very interesting for Craig Council. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, world series, if they got to get through the Dodgers and Cubs, I don't think they're in that category. But that's why. Just an experienced team. Yeah. You know, they came together last year and gave the Dodgers all they could handle. I think this year they're on a mission. They're right there with the Cubs and tied with the division or maybe you have game up at this point. Bottom line is they're gonna be there because they believe in what they have in that clubhouse. All right, and so will Houston and Verlander. When you think big picture, right? They want to get back to the World Series. He's probably the one guy. He's the difference maker. When you think about an ace matching up against all the other contending teams, would you agree? Yeah, I totally agree with you. And the reason why I say that is you look at the match-ups even in the American League and Justin Verlander matches up with anybody. I think the closest one is probably Chris Sale, that match-up in the American League. The National League, it doesn't matter. Justin Verlander knows the biggest moment. He understands he can take it up a notch and that's the reason why you start looking at Justin Verlander and the Houston Astros as being the difference maker. He's five and one in his last seven starts just over a two ERA and all the injuries came. That's when he steps up because he knows he has to do it. Yeah, quirky stat. Verlander the first pitcher ever with 15 strikeouts and three home runs allowed in the same game. Kind of an unusual thing for a guy who's been so outstanding, a Hall of Fame career. We'll watch this game throughout the hour here live. Well, first let's go back because if there's a history here and I think you're in an Aranado, Nolan Aranado was making it clear. I mean, Bryant with Rocky pitching, he's been hit more than a pinata at a five-year-old birthday party here. Oh, yeah. And this goes back a few years even to 2017 and has continued. Yeah, you saw that second one off the helmet and then you start seeing what's continued from the perspective of the Rockies facing Chris Bryant. So, Frank, well, I'll start with both of you guys, but Frank, was Hamels out of line, though, with the way that he hit? Not at all, not at all. You got to protect your players. Especially when you're in a pinata race. Protect? Well, this team, trust me, they've done everything possible to try to get to the next level. They're not going to get one of their players hurt without protecting them. That's just good baseball. I've been in many of these type of little bean ball walls. I've been hit a million times. That's part of the game. You ever get hurt because somebody's hurt? I've been out a few games. I've been hit on the elbow, but that's just part of the game. You guys, no other professionals. Listen, this is an everyday sport, so there is effect of how you handle yourself. And I tell you what, and I think to Frank's point, you have to have the ability to protect the locker room. And if you don't do that as a team, I think it's going to come back and rear its head the other way. If you handle it the right way, and I think Cole Hamels did, if you handle it the right way, it's magnified. These are two very good teams, but I think the Cubs grew up in that locker room today, and they're going to take it another level. Remember, Craig Kimbrel got signed on. This is just fortifying how close they are as a unit, and it doesn't make sense to a lot of fans. It does make sense if you have been in that locker room and you understand that element of protecting your own, it really comes down to because the stars need to be in the game, but if your star is getting hit, Chris Bryant, I'm saying you have to do something about it. Well, and you both have been in the locker room. But I do respect the way that Bryant and Aronato, the way that they handled their part of the situation.


If you're into service design and visual thinking, I've got a really exciting announcement. But first, let's get a little bit of the background story from this announcement. Which is that I've been getting a lot of comments over the years from people who want to get into service design. But ask me, you know, how well do I need to be able to draw? I am really bad at drawing. I don't know how to visualize all these kind of comments. And I totally get it. Drawing wasn't one of the skills that I excelled in. And even today I feel sometimes quite uncomfortable to pick up the pen or the marker and start visualizing the ideas that are in my head. Usually the best I can do is come up with a Venn diagram or a stick figure that looks like a dinosaur. So, we don't have to question the value of visualizing. Especially in a field like service design where so many concepts are intangible, abstract, and just plain hard to communicate using words. So using images, using visuals has a lot of value. And that's why it's a shame that people are uncomfortable visualizing. Now, how do you get better? How do you get over this? I think one of the best ways is just to practice and to practice a lot. But if drawing and visualizing isn't in your comfort zone, then you're not going to do that naturally. You're going to refer to the things you're good at, right? So often you need an excuse to practice something new. And I'm here to give you that excuse because with a fellow service designer named Giovanni Rello, we came up with the idea of a 30-day drawing challenge. What does that mean? It means that if you become part of this challenge, you're going to get an assignment each day to draw a service design-related concept. It can be something like user research, organizational silos, customer focus, words that we use every day, but often are really hard to translate into images. So you're going to get an assignment each day. You get six minutes to draw this. That's really important. It's not about drawing for half an hour or an hour. It's just daily practice of six minutes. And you're going to build your service design visual vocabulary this way. We're going to do this in a closed group and a safe environment so that if you're not super comfortable with sharing your drawing skills just yet, just as I'm not, then hopefully the safe environment will be the thing that will help you to get over that. What else can I say? If this sounds like something that you're interested in, we're going to start on October 1st. So make sure you send in your application before September 29th. You can do that by sending me a message on LinkedIn or send me an email. You can do that to mark at servicesignshow.com. And once again, I want to stress that this is not a challenge where you'll be judged based on your drawing abilities. We're not going to teach you how to draw. There are other courses and trainings online about that. This is really about building your visual service design vocabulary, practicing each day, seeing and getting inspired how other people have translated the concept like customer focus into a visual. That's what this 30-day challenge is about. I'm really excited about this. I also feel that it's a bit scary, which is probably a good thing because it's out of my comfort zone. Again, if you're interested, send me a message. If you know somebody who might be interested in this, tag them down below in the comments. I'm really looking forward to this challenge and I'm looking forward to do this with you. So see you in the group.