We apologize for that. I have mentioned you are looking into the breast cancer treatment here in Kenya. And like Jessica has mentioned, I'm speaking to Jane Francis. She's a lecturer at JKU. Good morning. Good morning, how are you? I'm very, very good to have you here. Thank you. Now, there is some statistics in Kenya. For cancer, how things have been, how things are and where we're hoping to be, like globally, this is a 2018 statistics, globally 2018 statistics show that breast cancer incidence is rate in Kenya, estimated at 40.3% with a mortality rate of 17.8%. Would you be having statistics how things are in Kenya now, 2020? 2018 to 2020, the actual statistics I may not have right now, but what I know is that cancer is the worst killer at the moment, actually much more than COVID. Surprisingly, we seem to have given COVID so much prominent over and above. Yes, it is true when you get COVID, you go maybe within a short time and so forth, but we know also you can prevent COVID through washing, sanitizing, masking, and doing all these other things. Unfortunately for cancer, we cannot pinpoint exactly what is the cause of cancer. Regardless of whichever part of the country you come from in Nairobi or upcountry, it doesn't matter. But they speak of risk factors. It could be chemicals, it could be contraceptives, it could be things that we are eating, it could be lifestyle, maybe we are not exercising and so forth, but these are only risk factors. But even children who need not have exercise are getting cancer. We have had cases of over 300,000 children in Kenya have it. And last month we celebrated childhood cancer month and we discovered that could it be genetic that these children have, but many of them also have high cancer rate in Oblastoma. So the causes of cancer are really not quite known. They are always discovered as risk factors, which we could just try to prevent. Alright, now in the interest of time, there is an article or a research that was done in 2018. The article was published on December 3rd, 2019. And it showed we have 57% of women who have cancer and 43% and maybe to try to bring out the real deal, men do not know there is men cancer out of their breast. What we are doing here, we ignore the fact that men can have cancer. Can get it, yeah. Is it true that you can have cancer? Yes, during my six years of survivorship, I have met three men who have cancer. I met one in KNH, I met another one in a support group and I met another one just somewhere, he is very private. He doesn't like being known, but they do have. In fact, quite often if you see a man with a little bit big breast, we don't know if they also have some hormone or both. Most of the time it's both, but one will get sick. But they can also get sick both, it doesn't matter. But the fact is that men also get breast cancer, so whatever is factors that are being mentioned, they should even try to avoid even obesity, all these are mono imbalance. Personally, I really discourage the use of chicken on the table as a meal. I mean broiled chicken, broiler. You know they do a lot of injection, that particular chicken. So sometimes I have a feeling it could be affecting our young people because you know cancer cells grow in like 10 years. So you start this teenager, you know these are youth TV. So you start this young man going for chips every Sunday, cuckoo, you know all that. And we know that that can affect. But then of course lack of exercise, staying on TV, gaming and all these things, so it is possible. But I'm not saying that is a cause for men cancer, but I'm just saying it is again another risk factor and let us also know that men get it and they should also go for screening. Because the earlier it is found at stage 0, stage 1 and the treatment starts and then they can be able to, the chances of survival are quite high. What would you say has been the problem of treating cancer? The problem of treating cancer is that it is very, very expensive, very expensive to treat.  First and foremost you don't have the money. Let me say it can cost well over 2 to 3 million in a government facility and maybe almost 5 million in a private facility because the chemotherapy are so expensive. In my days I think one came out was 90,000. I don't know how much it is but again it also depends on each, on different types of cancers. So what I would suggest is that the government through the universal health care and the NHIF really tries to subsidize, you know the Ministry of Health should be funded enough such that NHIF can be able to subsidize the treatment costs of this chemotherapy, of the radiotherapy and also the surgery. Surgery usually is not very expensive but the chemo's and the radios are very expensive. You need several sessions. Sometimes like me I needed a minimum of 6 chemo's, a minimum of 30 sessions of radio and I had 2 or 3 surgeries almost every anyway by the time I finished. So it's very expensive. For quite some while I have seen even in the house in the parliament I have seen their calls to help persons with suffering from cancer and even cancer treatment here in Kenya. So far do you think we have the political will to enable us to fight cancer in our country even from the food that we eat? I don't think so because we have actually had several matches to parliament. We have given petitions. We have even gone to NHIF again pleading for less payment but as far as parliament is concerned, in fact you'll only hear them speak about cancer when one of their own is sick. After that you'll never hear it. We've tried like 3 times a year most of the until of course Kevin came to go with petitions to parliament that they declare cancer and national disaster and therefore put in place measurements that can be able to stop or whatever these risk factors are, whether it is the chemicals, do they look at the chemicals, whether it is smoking, what have they done to stop BAT? Controlling. Whether it is drinking, liver cancer.  Especially young people. Especially young people because they drink this hard stuff not knowing the repercussions it has on their health. What does the government do to the BIA industry? Now looking into what the government should be doing or the government should do we have seen an uncommunicable diseases like say TB being treated for free. Not even TB. I mean we have seen them being taken care of. Now can we get to a point where by cancer treatment in Kenya could be considered free when you go to either screening or for the treatment of cancer. Can we have a policy whereby anyone who has cancer in our country can be treated for free? No, the parliament can be able to push those bills and I know there are several ladies. I think there is Gladys Wanga and there is this two women from Laikipia. They have been trying to pass some bills which can lead government to declare it a national disaster and therefore put in place enough funding, enough personnel to really work at ensuring that first of all when the screening is well done the treatment and even more doctors are treated. All these have to be put in place and then of course the government must budget enough. So that now they pay for the medication. I think some of it is actually important. We don't have it here. So the government just has to pump in much more money there as they did for example for HIV. And then you also look for support because today I think HIV is free. So if they could do that for HIV why can't they do it for cancer? And maybe the HIV they have more people than the cancers. Now let's talk about someone who has cancer already living with it, controlling it, managing it. Are you going for chemo and getting other medications? How else can you help yourself knowing it's expensive to treat cancer? Do you have alternatives? There are alternatives. Let me say there are alternatives but I may not say they should be the only ones to be taken and not do the conventional treatment. So for example in my case I have what is called triple negative breast cancer. So with triple negative breast cancer yes you can do chemo, radio and surgery but in the long run for me now to maintain the cancer cells that they don't grow I need to be on harbors and supplements which can be able to help me to suppress the cancer cells from growing. And of course somebody else who may not have because they people don't have and they go for the alternative medicines. They will go to different harbor doctors. What I don't know is that how can I say that you know there is no measurement. So I would not say don't do it because if you have no alternative then it is better to do it. Then you have to look for the right doctor who can be able to maybe measure the best. For me I take supplements in terms of just herbs from the garden. For example I take a lot of Locco Vegetables Managu, Suga, all those you know, Saga. There is a Temisia which I have seen Madagascar has been taking Tanzania. Maybe before you explained it all. Who recommended them? How did you know they can help? For me I read, I choose to read and I watch news and I could see that Tanzania and Madagascar and Iberia were able to even contain the COVID. People have not died as much. So even yesterday, just yesterday the president of Madagascar has gotten out tablets of anti-COVID, CVO. And I'm sure they are really helping there. So I think every country should also and especially for Asia, promote the herbal doctors who know indigenous medicines that were used by our grandparents. Actually they were living longer than us. So those indigenous plants, vegetables and whatever that they were using can be used. Of course there are also others but you see the ones from outside can be very expensive. This is one of them peak. So that to boost my immunity, these ones they speak, they shield and so many. There are others we buy from HealthU. Most of them cost over 5,000. So they are very expensive. But you see now these are from the west, they are measured and so I know the dosage. But these others from out there I have to do guesswork and hope that when I take Artemisia, when I take Baobab, when I take Shea seeds per glass, every day I'm able to to boost my immunity. So let me not say so much guesswork because there is also the doctor who we rely on. So let us also continue to study on our own and help ourselves. But still the government can encourage our doctors, our herbal, because there seems to be some tension between the herbal world and the conventional medicine world. You see if we're looking into the supply of cancer in Kenya, we have it even in the rural areas. We have even the vulnerable families getting cancer. You just mentioned about the children. Last month you're looking into that. But now I'm interested in the herbal that you're using because you'll be helping someone else who is not able for the chemo, who is not able to go buy the conventional way of treatment. This was how you have been using them for how long and do you think they have been helpful to you? Yes, for me, as I said if you can afford do the conventional medicine first. Do the chemotherapy because it's very strong. They say it's a poison that kills the cancer cells and shrinks the tumours. The sessions you are told 6 or 10 or 8, I don't know some people. I have one patient who has just got 18 of them, 18 sessions. So whatever you have to do first because it works. But then after that somebody once told me I wanted to take an insurance. Somebody said we won't give you. I said why? Because you will never cure from cancer. In fact it was because the stage 3 would be out of kisha, out of malice and mohaka. The next years. Yes, the next years. Six years down the line I'm there. As I've said I take a termination since 2017. I had a surgery that couldn't heal. So every time I would take that, like most of them I take three days. What I consider for example at Emisia, the whole of 2017 up to this time of COVID. These others, whenever I'm taking water I put, I put my baobab, I take my seacids, I put in the water. Others like lemon, ginger, turmeric which I think all of us know for the common cold. That is also very good in fighting cancer. Because like turmeric also helps to control your blood levels because it has antioxidants. The ginger also is able to cleanse your your sephagas and the chest to clear it. So that you avoid now things that you see cancer like breast can metastasize to the lungs if it finds some weaknesses. So all these herbs as we know them and I would recommend everybody uses daily. It's like it's plant. It'll be helpful. It doesn't have like you can take too much. But of course it's always good to do some kind of moderation and if possible plant for yourself without chemicals. Alright thank you. I want to bring in the other guest. Thank you so much for joining us. Though a bit late we're running out of time but we have to hear from you. How are you Damaris? Welcome to I-24 TV. Now we are looking into the breast cancer. We have been in Kenya, the treatment, the troubles that have been there and the calls that the people have been calling for the cancer treatment and making sure there is enough awareness in our country. Maybe briefly you could mention about your story. How are you? How are you? I'm diagnosed in 2012. I was diagnosed with cancer. So I got results. I was diagnosed with cancer. I didn't know what to do because I got into some cases when I was at home and I had a fever. I had a fever. I was diagnosed with cancer.  I went to the hospital and I got results. I was diagnosed with this disease. I was diagnosed with this disease. In 2014 I got a stroke out of pressure because of this lamp. I was diagnosed with this disease. In 2017 I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So I went to the hospital and I was diagnosed with a girl with whom mycera got discharged. I was diagnosed with cutlers but I was left with surgery. I went to the hospital after that I got Bella pregnant and she gave birth. I got a female tumor and I had breast cancer. That is the main reason I recurred from before. So I went to a hospital and I was told about the Halie, Mamogran. I was shocked, but I had a lot of results. I was sure that I had a lot of results, but I didn't pass. So I was told that I was going to die. I was told that I was going to die. But I was told that I was going to die. I was told that I was going to die. I was told that I was going to die. Due to the covid pandemic I was taken to Tokyo. These friends and kids came home from the school. They were taken to the school. They were taken to theύ.... but they were taken to the school. I don't know. I've been through a lot of results, and I'm not sure if I've ever experienced that, but the real results I have are the ones that have passed because I have been affected, and I've had a lot of problems because I have cancer. I have been through a lot of and I was in this house that day because I was working. I was in this house and I don't know what else is there. So, I was thinking about what if I would go home and then get sleep. I asked myself why would I have a mother problem when she was going to work. She said, what do you do? I had to do a mammogram test to see if the cells were still there. I told my wife that I had to go to work. I told my mother that I had to go to the hospital. So I went to the end of the year. I was told that I had to go to the hospital. So you had to go to the end of the year to see if the cells were still there? Yes, I had to go to the end of the year. So you had to go to the end of the year to see if the cells were still there? Because I was told the cells were still there. I went through a lot of pain, scars. So in the beginning of the year I was told it was all right, it was simple. I said I was told it was all right. In the end I was told it was all right, it was all in bad condition. So, in 2019, I was told that I was going to become a chemist, so I decided to go to the next shop. So, my name was created and I was told that I was going to become a chemist, fake. I asked them to come and go with me because I was really depressed. I took a fake video, but it did not matter. I took off my shoes and saw that there was some kind of relationship between us. I was told, I have to confirm it, confirm. I confirm what's happening is chemicals have some effect on my blood so I came here and he told me that he was not able to go back to the village but he said if I was able to go back he was going to leave and go to the village so I went there so I went I'm out of time, Jane. We are supposed to end at 10. I'm hoping that my director gave us at least two minutes or so. Now, this has been her problem and I'm sure it's a problem of many. Yes. Creating awareness and when they know coming forth to say it. Now, you helped her come out of her situation and accepting this is what she is going through. And a majority of people go through that. I'm sure you have had a number of them. Creating awareness and helping someone to come out of it. It's not something easy. As we conclude this interview, what call would you making out there? Okay. So, I want to tell all our listeners, wherever you are, please let us not stigmatize somebody because they have had cancer. Or COVID, in this day also. Because many are being stigmatized. You can't do the same place even in the house. You have to be isolated. Yes, you can isolate, especially COVID, because it is infectious. But cancer is not infectious. I cannot get it from maybe cervical, but not breast. So, let us be there for each other. Let us support members of the families who have it. And both have naturally, as I said, she has same with food. You see, when there was COVID, there was no food. People couldn't work. So, I went out of my way to reach out to friends, relatives, families, and thank God, since March, I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has come out with their 100, 500, and supported these cancer patients. We have over 100 of them in Kangemi, even like their two. One, I even was to come with her. But you see, not everybody also likes to come out in the open. And speak here. It's not easy. Some of us, I thank God, I don't mind speaking for others. Because that can also give them a chance to survive.   On 24th of October, you can come and join us and meet all these cancer patients. Bring us Ugarli. We have a pay bill number, 514422. Send a kilo of Ugarli or two, and we shall give each one of them something. So, that at least they can cushion themselves against the effects that come with too much treatment chemotherapy, radio, or even what she's saying, use of those ginger. And those who know about how much ginger or how much alcohol you can use, also come out and support and help others. Because everything has to be taken in moderation. But in our case, she had no alternative. She had no NHSF. We're trying to help her get 6,000 per year, maybe, nothing for somebody. Maybe somebody's lunch. You could go out and she's not the only one. I have more than, let's say, 6,000 cancer patients, even here in Nairobi, though we have cancer survivors, association in Kenya, and we have many others who need just to pay this 6,000 so that they can even access all these mammograms and all these other tests that you continually need to do every three months, six months to monitor. Because, as I told you, cancer, even when you do chemo, just goes in remission, is not necessarily gone. So, you have to keep monitoring. And if it tries to come, you get the right medicine. There are others who take medicine, hormonal therapy every day, like I have a lady in Kawanguare. She can't afford, she needs 5,000, 4,800 to buy medication for her month, because they have to take a man, a thermoxyphen, others take some of the medicine as side effects on the bones, so they're having issues. So, all these challenges are, challenges cancer patients go through and they need a lot of support from the members of the family, from friends, but particularly from the government. Let us see what is this universal healthcare is, and how it is really helping people with cancer and other NCDs. I want you to do two things. One, you said come, where will you be? Yes. And number two, repeat the pay bill number slowly. Okay. So, we shall be at St. Paul's Chapel, University Chapel. It's just at the roundabout of the university on Saturday the 24th of October and it will be from 9 to 1 p.m. and we are appealing for food, we are appealing for this support to buy these are processes when your breast is removed, you feel, you know, you are not longer a woman, so when we are able to get a little money, we are able to make this and also buy for, especially in Newcastle patients. Also some of them, when they don't have hair, they need to cover, you know, the hair, because when you do chemo, every, the hair goes out. Right. So, for that period, you know, it's difficult to deal with, but also as a health preventive from getting colds, especially when it's raining and it's good to cover your head. Yeah. So, we need to help buy them such things, warm clothing, so that they are able to manage. So, the pay bill number is 514422 and the account is C.A. Breast, Cancer Breast, C.A. Breast, whatever, or just write your name, but the important thing is pay bill number 514422. All right. Thank you so much for coming. Apparently, we didn't have enough time to talk about this matter conclusively. I'm hoping everything will be all right. I'm wishing you the very best. And if you're out there and you've had the call, please do what you can do to help our people out there. Thank you so much for being part of us back home and thank you so much for coming. My name is Adreva Hillary. She has been my guest, or they have been my guest, to Damaris and General Francis. She's a lecturer at JQ Art. At this point, we conclude our interview this morning. Trust you will be enjoying your day and I'm wishing you the very best day when you go out there. Do what you do to get the best of you. My name is Adreva Hillary. Goodbye.


Okay, good. Okay. So they asked me to talk about something controversial. So I'm gonna do that. Okay, so my talk is called Please Stop Doing Explainable Machine Learning. All right, now, why am I talking about that? It's because bad stuff is happening now. There are bad bail and parole decisions being made because people type the wrong number into a black box model. And it's letting dangerous people go free, and it's keeping people in prison who don't deserve to be there. We're doing a lot of bad medical diagnosis and screening because, for example, the algorithms are depending on factors that are not allowed to be there, like words within an X-ray image. It's depending on those rather than the actual X-ray. We are making bad loan and credit decisions based on faulty information, and I claim that explainable machine learning actually perpetuates this problem. Okay, so why is that? Well, I'm going to make a distinction between explainable machine learning and interpretable machine learning. Explainable machine learning is when you use a black box, and you explain it afterwards. So that's a post hoc analysis. Whereas interpretable machine learning is when you use a model that is not black box in the first place. Now interpretable machine learning is not simply the CART algorithm. If you think we haven't done anything since 1984, you would be wrong. Now, variable importance plots or partial dependence plots are not interpretable machine learning. A lot of people say that all they need is their partial dependence plots, but that's explainable and not interpretable. Can you imagine someone bringing out some kind of partial dependence plot in a courtroom that determines someone's fate? So I'm going to make, and I want to clarify that the context of this talk is on high stakes decisions and when you actually need to troubleshoot your model. Those are the only two times that the main two times that you really need a model that's either explainable or interpretable. It's when you actually care about the decision you're making or you're trying to troubleshoot your model. This is not for things like computational advertising and Google search and stuff like that. Okay, so I want to make two arguments on why we should stop working on explainable machine learning. Now the first one is that the accuracy interpretability tradeoff is, as far as I can tell, a miss. So I keep seeing this plot all over the place. This particular version of the plot is from the DARPA explainable AI BAA. Now I don't know why they keep producing this plot because there's no application that corresponds to this plot. What application is this? What are the axes on this plot? Are these points for different machine learning models? Which models did they try? And then is this for a static data set where they try to hold a bunch of different machine learning methods? Like this plot, it's mathiness. It doesn't mean anything. Now if this plot is for a static data set, I would argue that there's no high stakes decision or case where you're troubleshooting your model where you have a static data set. Data science or knowledge discovery, as it kind of used to be called, it's an iterative process. So you're supposed to take, you know, this is the KDD process from 1996. It's identical to the CCC big data white paper, the process that was rediscovered there. Anyway, you're supposed to process the data, do data mining machine learning, and then interpret or evaluate your model and then go back and change the processing and improve the whole system. And so I'm arguing that, in fact, if you have a better understanding, like if you used a model that was interpretable, that would actually lead to overall better performance, not worse. So we saw this firsthand when I was working on maintaining the New York City power grid with machine learning. And we tried a whole bunch of different machine learning methods on the data we had, and it amounted to at most a 1% change in performance between the different algorithms. But then when we started using interpretable models, we could actually figure out what was wrong with our data and what was wrong with our model and go back and change things and make huge leaps in performance after we started doing that. So I claim that this figure is nonexistent and it's a myth. Okay, so I'll make an even stronger argument, which is that even if you did have a static data set, and you tried a whole bunch of different machine learning algorithms on it, then on many data science problems with good data representations, all machine learning methods perform approximately the same. And so when I say good data representations, I mean data that naturally comes with representation. So I'm excluding things like computer vision, some time series problems, some genomics problems, and some natural language processing problems. And that's why machine learning kind of focuses on those problems because the data representation needs to be constructed. And on the rest of the problems, all the algorithms perform approximately the same. So this figure, as far as I can tell, for most data science problems doesn't exist. Now I will say that I've worked on a lot of data science problems, and I've always been able to produce an interpretable model that is just as accurate as the best black box that we could find. And I've worked on a lot of medical problems, criminological problems. Meeting analysis, and lately we've been working on computer vision, and even there we can actually get somewhere with some level of interpretability. It's not the same as in the other problems, but you can at least, you know, you don't really truly need a fully complete black box. Okay, so my second argument is that explainable machine learning is fundamentally flawed because it forces you to rely on two models instead of one. You have the original black box, and then you have the model for the explanation. Now those models necessarily disagree with each other because if they didn't, then you could throw out the black box altogether and just use the explanation model. So they have to disagree with each other. So let's say that you have an explanation model that's right 80% of the time. Now usually people say that's pretty good, but the fact is that that model is wrong 20% of the time. So what it means is that the explanations you're getting fairly often are wrong, which means you can't trust the explanations, which means you can't trust the black box, and you are back to when you started. Also, the explanations sometimes are not consistent. So for instance, the black box could say it denied my credit because I didn't have a very long credit history, but maybe I could point to somebody over there who had exactly the same length of credit history as me, and that guy did get the loan or something like that. So the explanations can be inconsistent, and sometimes they don't actually make any sense at all. So for instance, the computer vision people really like saliency. Saliency is where you can figure out what part of the image the neural network is looking at. But the problem with saliency is that if the image is misclassified, then you could see where the network is looking, but it doesn't tell you anything about what the network is actually doing. So you realize you never understood what it was doing in the first place. Now, I will say that you, if you're like most scientists, your reward function is designed to favor explainable machine learning, but I believe that at least for the next few years, the world would be better if you don't. So why is that? Well, it's because people love their black boxes. Companies can make money off black boxes. You can't make money if you give away the model. If the model is completely interpretable, you can't make any money off of it. Black boxes are magical and they uncover things. They uncover patterns you didn't know about. But that's also true for interpretable machine learning. And in fact, the patterns are much clearer. So if you have a choice between an interpretable model and a black box, a lot of people would choose black box, but I claim that that makes no sense. Black box models are much easier to train than interpretable models. There's no question about that because, you know, interpretable models, you need to have the constraints to make them interpretable. And then also, black boxes are an excuse not to do any feature engineering because you don't need to. The machine learning algorithms should supposedly do it for you. But I claim that for any high stakes decision, you should really be very carefully looking at what your features are and what they mean. Now, people think that the black boxes are more accurate, but they often do that without testing that hypothesis. They very often don't even try to find an interpretable model that's accurate. Now, what's going on right now in the education of machine learning is that we don't even teach interpretable machine learning anymore. Most machine learning classes do not even teach cart. So people only know their black boxes. Now, it is much easier as an academic to write a paper introducing an explainability method than an interpretable modeling method because explainability methods have often involved just taking derivatives. Whereas interpretable modeling requires solving a hard optimization problem with interpretability constraints. Now, when the world writes mostly papers about explainable, it actually encourages black boxes because people think that you can just make a black box and somebody can explain it. So you might as well just make the black box. Now, my bottom line is that I think statisticians can fix this problem. It's not going to happen in machine learning, not the way things are going, but applied statistics has always cared about interpretability. So if the field of statistics wants to be leaders of data science, I claim that it should solve problems like this.


Stevenson opens conference play with a three-nil victory over Albright night at Mustang Stadium Glen Clark with coach Graham Miller Coach this role that you guys are on right now five straight shutouts What clicked for your team that you are just playing really great soccer of late? Well, you know what? It was it goes back to that tough week. We had against Gettysburg and Samarys We really worked hard to clean up the the fouls and sorry the fouls and the free kicks and Not giving upset pieces especially especially corners, so we learned a lot from that week We really You know really kind of put on the defense, you know to step up and if you look at that They have and they've did a great job and and to start conference play, you know against a tricky team That was putting a lot of balls, you know high balls into the box and sending it forward You know we did well in the air and it was just really good to you know to start conference play with a shutout One of the things that jumped out of me tonight the patience right like you had control of this early on But it wasn't happening necessarily to get the ball in the back of the net But it didn't seem like anybody panicked everybody just seemed really confident that at some point you're gonna break through and obviously you did Yeah, we knew we're gonna get chances, you know, this is you know We're playing some great offensive stuff as well and we knew we were gonna create chances We knew that we were probably gonna wear them down a little bit And you know it was just great stuff from Tarik and Jay to get things rolling and then continue that and and you know Sometimes you need that a little bit of creativity or speed or flash of brilliance and obviously Tarik can provide that and Jay can finish It off you mentioned that that was the first one the second one from Jay Smith I still haven't figured out yet There's three defenders all over him and he just says I think I'll figure out a way to score a goal here And that's that that's what we talked about when you you've got to want to score goals in the box And Jay really did that that his strength is one of obviously his key What is Tarik's got the speed and I just muscle them off the ball And I was just grateful that and the same went for AJ on his goal off the corner To get his own rebound off his own header shows that he really wanted it and that's what we want players in the box Wanting to score goals wanting to get in there wanting to be aggressive So really good for those guys to to finish off their own plays so to speak coach a great win to start conference play a quick turnaround We'll see you back here Tuesday night. Congratulations on this one Yeah, thank you We'll be ready to go a quick turnaround and I'll be a tough one But the guys are excited and we hopefully we can keep it going at Mustang Stadium. Thank you. He's coach Graham Miller I'm Glenn Clark for go mustang sports comm


You too team keep it clean. This video gonna be a little different at first. So just bear with me, but team keep it clean What's going on? It's engraving here with another video and who that who that? Who that said they were gonna beat them Saints? surely Not the Eagles at least not today This was a game This game was fire This game was exciting from start to finish this game was stressful Game was wild. Let me back up real quick. Oh Cuz I got to get out of this parking spot. Oh, no, but somebody's coming. Anyway, um Game was game was crazy man game was crazy. Y'all see I got my my ravens black and gold shirt Y'all already know how that goes. That was a Saints fan. I forgot exactly what Saints fan that was He was like man He was like, I thought you were gonna make a preview video for this Eagles in Saints game And then he was like, well, I guess I guess I thought you like the Saints I guess I thought you like the Saints a little more than that or I thought I like I thought you like the Saints more than He he was like, I guess you don't like the Saints as much as I thought you did there We go. I couldn't even get my words out man, but I told him I said man like Chill man. I said that I've been so busy man I didn't even get a chance to make no video for a preview for any of the games Because I sure wanted to make a preview video for all of them, but then happened But anyway, um Team keep it clean First up first and foremost shout out to the Eagles because the Eagles were not even looking like they were gonna be in the playoffs The Eagles were not even looking like they were going to be Competing in this situation the Eagles didn't even look like they are ain't nobody what some people did But not many people really gave the Eagles a chance even against the Bears People didn't even give the Eagles a chance against the Chicago Bears But the Eagles they they took care of business. Yeah, it was a miss field goal in the end But hey, guess what a win is a win The wind didn't come off of a bad call the wind didn't come off of some type of fluky play The wind came off of a miss field goal and it was a Yeah, a block field goal at that. Yeah, so they they actually updated that because the Eagles defender got a piece of it So they got there went out in Chicago, man They earned it. They they took it man They took it and for the play that they made at the in the fourth quarter in the Chicago game. That was crazy That was crazy. So shout out to the Eagles man, but it just wasn't Eagles time Eagles they came but you got you got to give it up to them You got to give it up to what Saints fan Cowboys fan Redskins fan Giants fan You got to give it up to them Eagle and Bears fan You got to give it up to the Eagles because they came out and from jump They were not scared Drew Brees. What first one of the first plays of the game through an exception Through an exception. So they started they started off hot They started off hot He threw an exception right away and the Eagles took advantage they threw they threw that they threw a touchdown right after that And shout out to Nick foals man Nick foals is crazy because really went when if you would ask the question Oh, who's the better quarterback between Nick foals and um, what's dude's name Carson Wentz? Who's the better quarterback? Who would you rather most people will say Carson Wentz? He's he's an athlete. He can run he can pass He he can do all that good stuff, but it's funny that Nick foals is the guy man for the Eagles man. This loss has zero to do with Nick foals zero zero He did what he had to do. He did his thing he He he was on point man Nick Nick foals is night. It's funny how this guy this guy ends up Making stuff work out better for the Eagles than Carson Wentz does Wasn't it Carson Wentz that started the last Eagles and Saints game and Look at how that game went versus this game. Jeez Jeez that dude Nick foals man If I'm the Eagles and I know a lot of Eagles fans won't even like this, but that's fine But if I'm the Eagles you got to think long and hard about You got to think long and hard about actually Getting getting rid of Carson Wentz straight up man You got to think about that you got to think about getting rid of Carson Wentz Because not that he's a bad quarterback anything, but he's just injury prone. He's injury prone He's prone to injury. He's always hurt. You got to think about getting rid of that guy because I mean He's nice quarterback very nice quarterback, but always hurt What can you do for a team if? What can you do for a team if you always hurt? We know you contribute when you're healthy, but you're not really healthy that much But anyway, I mean who this was a good game But yeah, big shout out to Nick foals that guy is a monster He I Love that. He's not he's not he's not scared of anything He's not afraid of anything and I've talked about that in past videos too before with how with backup quarterbacks They can be sometimes depending on which one in what situation, but they can be just as dangerous or even more dangerous than a starting quarterback They can be they can be Just as dangerous or even more dangerous than a starting quarterback Reason I say that is because backup quarterbacks. They know that they're the backup They are fully aware that they're the backup. They like hey, okay. I'm the backup.  I might lose my job if I play bad No, they're the backup quarterback. So they're locked into that position I'm not saying they can't lose the backup position, but they know they're not gonna be the starter Well with Nick foals is a little bit different because he probably should be the starter But anyway, um, they know that they're not the starter So that lets them play with a lot less pressure on their shoulders Then it's starting quarterback would have to play with so that's why they'll those those backup quarterbacks have Not necessarily an advantage, but they play with less stress. They play with less worry They play with less pressure And Nick foals he has been the man He has been the man for the Eagles man That's why I really feel like they need to stick with him and this isn't a take just based off of that game I've been saying this they need to stick with him because it's shown that he can get the job done for them He can get the job done for them and and Carson Wentz is always hurt. But anyway in this game They'll be I saw a lot of people especially on Twitter I saw a lot of people talking about oh, why did the Eagles rush that last play right before the two-minute warning? They should have took their time. They should have done this station I love that play call. I did not think that was a bad The only problem I had with the play with that that whole sequence right before the two-minute warning was the play The tint warning when they called the run play when they called the run play. I was like What What Because I'm what I'm like, what are you doing?  I didn't I didn't get that at all. I didn't get that at all But I was like, okay, cool, whatever But then they called the run play and they weren't really moving fast to the line So I was like, okay I figured they were just gonna go to the two-minute warning, but they kept on moving they kept on moving and They they kept on moving and they and they end up getting another playoff which was good and The fact that they got it off before the two-minute warning when they didn't have that much time left It was really good It was it was really good. It was a perfect play call. It was a good play call Nick foals put it in the perfect spot There was nothing wrong with that play call There was nothing wrong with them going for it before the two-minute one There was nothing wrong with that. It was it was a great play call All that was good man. All of that was good But the the only problem I'll shine just dropped it. He just dropped it and that was it man He dropped it Marshawn latter more end up picking it off And that was all she wrote Well, that actually wasn't even all she wrote because Kamara still had to pick up that first that that first down was big because I thought I was thinking I'm like, oh man, this game ain't over yet. I said, oh, this this game ain't over yet. They they still got time Man, they still got time the Eagles still gonna have a one last chance They're not gonna have too much time, but they're still gonna have one last chance I'm like this thing ain't over yet but then when Alvin Kamara because because the Eagle I mean if the Saints could have ran three plays and And And not picked up the first down and the Eagles still would have had another shot but When um when they got that first down that that ended up when Kamara got that last first down that ended up being it Because the Eagles they were getting ready to have one last chance man And I'll Sean Jeffrey knew to he knew they was gonna have one more chance Because you could you could see it on his face, but then once Kamara got that first down That's when them eyes started to get super watery and red man. I said, oh I felt for the guy I ain't feel like too bad for him because I wanted Saints to win But I did feel for him because I mean it's like JuJu with the the Steelers play Against the Saints. I guess Saints got something. It's weird Saints. Saints got something man They got something where they just they got something. I don't know if there's something going on over there in New Orleans They got something where you'll be in the game your team will be in the game and your team will do something They will do something Uncharacteristic of your team to where the Saints that you your team does something and uncharacteristic and it ends up costing you the game You can't tell me that that's not the truth. Look at the Ravens when they played the Ravens actually in Baltimore though the Ravens Joe Flacco game tie-in drive He gets the touchdown the John Brown And then to most likely send the game in the overtime because it's like 20 seconds left in the game Justin Tucker lines up for the extra point to kick it. Boom. He missed it Like when does this dude ever and that was the first extra point he ever missed in his career? so that was that then you look at the Steelers game Saints are playing the Steelers and then Rollers-Burger and Steelers offense moving down for the game winning drive been Rollers-Burger his juju Smith Schuster Juju Smith Schuster gets hit low and then he ends up boom fumbling the ball like what Alshon Jeffrey one of the biggest shorthanded receivers in the league on a Uh, I forgot what down it was but right before the two-minute warning Nick Foals throws the perfect pass to him perfect Pass to him. Here's some in the hands Alshon Jeffrey boom drops it Interceptions Saints ball So it's like it's something going on over there in New Orleans. I don't know what it is. I can't call it I don't know what it is exactly, but they got something going on But oh, what a great game man. What a great game. What a great game. This game was fire, man I loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Loved it You know when the war is gonna be going crazy, right? Well, I wish I could I wish I could have went to that game That would have been so much fun. That would have been so much fun Especially a win like this because it wasn't a blowout win, but a win like this Oh, that was beautiful and now they play the Rams for the second time in their Stadium or dome They get the Rams for time number two We gonna see man.  Oh Don't even know what else to say Drew Brees Was it his best game of the year? No, was it Michael Thomas best game of the year? Yeah Michael Thomas went off Michael Thomas went off The thing with Michael Thomas this guy No, I think I just saw somebody that I used to work with anyway Just walking or walking across the street. But anyway with Michael Thomas this guy Um Best receiver on the Saints one of the best receivers in football, you know, he's getting the ball You know what's going to him, but they the the Eagles could not stop him for nothing He's they couldn't stop him for nothing. No Thomas had 215 against the Rams No, I still say this is his best game because this was playoffs So would it be in playoffs? Everything means that much more because even if he had 215 against the the Rams That was a regular season game now have they lost that game then they wouldn't have had home field advantage throughout So the game next week would have ended up being in LA So that game was big too, but still this is playoffs. So in the playoffs big players make plays Big players make plays so with that being said This game was bigger than that one and this game was better for him than that one because they knew he was getting the ball because Yeah, the fit and the Eagles did nothing to stop him and what I was telling one of my boys when I was watching the game I Said watch when oh, what's the cornerbacks name from Philly that went out The cornerback that was just he wasn't necessarily playing lock up But he was playing pretty good But the cornerback from Philly who went out when he went out I told my boy I said watch Drew Brees go right at that dude man at the new guy who came in Watch him go right at him and it ended up being a third and 16 Where did they go right to the new cornerback that that was fresh off the sideline? They went straight to him right away Well, not right away They took them it took him a play but they ended up going to him on a huge play and it was to Michael Thomas Nobody could stop Michael Thomas man. Nobody could stop him. That guy is he's a beast man. He's he's a monster He is a monster Michael Michael Thomas, man. He's that dude, man And I love it. I love his trash talk because it's trash talk. He is it's it's it's kind of cocky But it's not too much It's not because all he does all he does he just go like that. He just go like that.  He's not even running off at the mouth. He just flexing his muscle. That's it boy And I'm sure you'd be making them them defenders feel so mad man.  He let's his play through the talking man And then of course if he gets on Twitter sometimes too, but uh-huh That was more for like Josh Norman stuff. But anyway Wow man and tagging too Tagging but he's been stepping up. I was telling some of my boys too, man I'm like remember tagging who used to suck on the dolphins first round draft pick Ted again remember that guy He was terrible with Miami But I get he just needed a change of scenery dinner changes scenery dinner changes scenery and now he's good to go He's good to go because he first he started in Miami. Then I think he went to New Orleans after I mean Sorry, San Francisco after that then he went to Carolina and then he went to New Orleans so Yeah, man tagging just he just needed a fresh fresh fresh start and now he's good to go good to go So wow Something that I've been talking about with the past couple of games has been coaching a lot and in this game Coaching was not the reason that either team won or lost. There were good decisions made throughout I know there were some people like one of my guys he questioned the Excuse me. He questioned the When New Orleans when they were up by six he questioned that field goal at the end That would have put them up by nine He felt like they should have punted it because that was a really long field goal and whatnot and I was like I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I can understand why they trying to kick the field goal because they have a kicker That was trained by the best kicker in the league Justin Tucker and Will Lutz is the same as kicker And he's made long field goals before I think they said the last one that he attempted though it got blocked But either way they know that he can do it. They know that he can do it So they let him attempt it and he ended up missing. So he was like see that's why they should have punted But again, no man punting wouldn't wouldn't have necessarily been a bad move But the Saints were trying to put it away And that's what you got to do shout out to Meach because I saw Meach earlier He was like oh engraving gonna uh, he gonna say something about the coaching and compared to Harbaugh with the fourth and one It's not just that one. It's been more than that, but this is the difference between good and great coaching You try to put teams away My Ravens, they don't do that enough That's why we chilling like Ravens might as well be right here in the passenger seat of the car with me Well, they basically are because they not in the playoffs, but um that it that's the difference between good coaches and great coaches good coaches They play is they play is safe. They play is smart But great coaches they try to win They try to win they try to put it away They try to end it. They don't want no question.  What's going on man? Appreciate all y'all coming through too, man Wow, it's only been 20 minutes. I feel like it's been a little bit longer than that, but it's all good You're gonna make a wild card next year. Oh that was what's going on, man?  It's so good Um, but yeah, where we at now, man? But yeah, Ingram Ingram was doing this thing. Oh Saints my favorite thing about the Saints in this game Was the way that they overcame Now they are yeah, definitely shout out to the Saints the way that they overcame especially in Was it the third in a third quarter? Was it third court? I think it was third quarter Yeah, cuz they yeah, it was Was it third quarter Because they went into halftime 14-10 they were down by four What all right, whatever court it was I don't even remember but my favorite thing about these Saints the Saints game was when they had to overcome it was on that drive It was on that drive where they had two holding calls They had a false start and some other mess They just had all these cars going against them in that drive and they kept moving them back And they kept moving them back and they kept moving them back, but what do they do? They kept moving forward They kept converting they kept on getting first downs. They just kept on go It didn't matter what was going down. It did not matter What was going down the Saints despite everything that was going against them the Saints still Managed to continue to move the ball forward to get first downs and then they then they ended up getting a field goal on that drive I believe but My point is despite everything that was completely going against them and one of them holding calls was really bad The second one was the first one was not bad. The first one was a good call But the second one was but despite everything going against them They they they kept on pushing man. They kept on pushing and they ended up getting it man They got not only the the first downs, but they ended up getting points, too So that was great, man Eagles Eagles ended up just stalling out after the first first quarter Because they scored 14 in the first quarter came out hot came out swinging That was all she wrote Saints tightened up their defense tightened up They offense They were trying but they they miss some opportunities like Jew breeze on the other pass and I said man Just do taste them here, man. He runs all the routes, too I know he was a quarterback a running back. I Know he plays special teams your kick returner point returner. I know he's a gunner He's um, he's on a special teams coverage unit kick coverage unit. He does everything But I ain't do did why receiver to like I mean wide wide receiver lot Not like catching a little short super short routes No, this dude went deep man. He went deep for that play and drew breeze through it short I said oh man drew that that would have set the city off, man That would have set New Orleans off, man. If he would have got that play man It was who that would have said that would have set the city off, man Loved it loved it. Loved it loved it. Um, so that was that man So he he did that and and then the very next play He ended up missing on that play he threw it short so the very next play They were like no, we're still gonna be aggressive. We don't care. So boom drew breeze. Those are touchdown Alvin Kamara very next play and then but then they ended up calling holding and it had to come back I said, oh man, that's tough That's tough That's tough. He'll listen x-factor. Yeah, he'll this he is man. He was nice, man he is um It's not like he's he's not one of them players. That's great at anything. Well really except heart man That's his biggest asset man heart And not having fear. He's not scared to make a hit. He's not scared to get hit He's not scared to make a throw to attempt to throw. He's not scared to do anything, man That dude he got he plays with heart man. I love his game Love what he does love what he what he brings to New Orleans He that dude that dude plays ball man. He's a football player, man He's a football player that is willing to literally do anything to contribute to his team and to make plays for his team So it takes him here He's nice man. He's a nice football player He's not a great quarterback not a great running back not a great receiver not a great guy He's a great football player though. So shout out to him man. Oh, yeah, shout out to there's Brian There's get to take piece of this too He get to be a part of this too because there's Brian is on the Saints. So yeah He's part of this shout out to him Um The year that's That's it man. This was a oh good game way way to not give up way to keep fighting and way to Haven't been impressed with these games with this game. Surely wasn't lopsided. This was the this was the best game All the other games were What are the Rams and Cowboys game wasn't lopsided that game just it wasn't exciting to me It wasn't exciting to me But this game was this game was not lopsided at all But yeah, but yeah, that that game wasn't lopsided But the cheese one against the Colts That one was of course Those charges man, we really lost to those guys we lost to those charges That is just embarrassing Somebody mentioned in the comments section. They said man, I guess the charges just really uh, they only game playing for the Ravens and that was it Then they just decide, you know what? All right Coaching staff take the week off man. We playing we playing Patriots. Oh in in New England.  Take it easy Okay, cool It's like that. It's like they had more respect for Lamar Jackson than Tom Brady for real They had more respect for Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady because they clearly prepared for Lamar Jackson They went They stayed overtime. They put an extra work to prepare for this dude But for Tom Brady, they were like, oh, no, we straight. We good man. We're good Man, Jeffrey was hurting after that. Yeah, of course. He was who wouldn't have been hurt. Oh Okay, I can do this But yeah, who wouldn't have been hurting Everybody would be hurting after that one. That was tough, man. Oh, I'm stuck in traffic. Oh You let the wrong guy in traffic, man, you know traffic don't faze me we live streaming, baby We live streaming so you know who I mean the longer the traffic is the more traffic It is the longer the stream goes on for me. So traffic ain't nothing that ain't no big deal So yeah, man, um Wow, New Orleans boy Good old knowledge They did it man. They did it not a Rams next week hmm, I Know my guy who's a Rams fan and it's like with Rams fans again like always say I mean, it's it's not it's not like you don't meet many of who do you know? That's a Rams fan. I know one person literally one person who's a Rams fan Like who do y'all know in person? Do y'all know any Rams fans in person because I know one I know one and he's not even from st. Louis Then he's surely not from LA. He's he's from down here. He's from Miami But he's like I forgot how he said he became a Rams fan, but it's been a long time So it ain't like it's nothing new for me anything like that, but the y'all. Oh, you know a Rams fan, too. Wow That's crazy, man Like how how does somebody become a Rams fan? I live in Cali and he said he live in Cali. He don't know any That's crazy. But anyway, I know Rams got to be like man Eagles like come on y'all, right?  They're like, oh not these dudes again It's like one of those things where it's like, okay If it happens you of course got to deal with it But at the same time you just rather you'd rather it not happen You'd rather take a different route or whatnot because you just want to take care of your business and move on But the Saints not gonna make it so easy to take care of that business for the Rams to take care of business now Rams last game last time they played the Saints They put up a fight because Saints started pulling off on them They started pulling off they got up like 20 like 20 21 something like that But then the the Rams started coming back They started coming back, but it was just too little too late And I think the Rams ended up losing that game by 10. I believe I believe So I mean we'll see what happens this time, but I I expect a really I Expect a really good game I expect a bet an even better game than the last one and last one they had was pretty good but I expect an even better game than the last one because I don't think the Rams are gonna let the Saints get up on them like they did last time, man I don't I yeah, I just don't think they're gonna do that me because Yeah, they ain't gonna let that happen me not like last time not having to come back from being down like 21 or How how many scores it was man? So, I mean we'll see we'll see what goes down man with when that game happens Wow, New Orleans, man. Oh man that that hole if you live within Even a hundred miles of the Mercedes Benz Superdome of New Orleans They don't you got to feel it right now, man. It has got to be rocking there It's got to be rocking there. It is got to be I It's got to be rocking there. There's no way that it's not it's no way that it's not. Oh, I love that I love them lights the car lights to give you do that red effect. Okay That's cool. I like it. Oh you live an hour away. So you got a feeling they got to still be shaking there You gonna go Rams new stadium? Okay, cool, man Remember West remember West engraving used to play for the Ravens Now with the Saints, but he gonna get a ring too. Oh Terrence West He's you sure he's with the Saints No, man, he not with the Saints unless he will be on injured reserve. He ain't with the Saints. No Terrence West He's not with them right Yeah, he got cut. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he got cut in like week two right week two or three. He's not with them now there's Brian is but Oh, he said probably practice squad. No, no, no, you messing up. You making up stuff. No, man But there's Brian is so there's Brian he He could take part in all their celebrations and all that I wonder what he is if he must be at the crib, man He probably at the crib watching man If I was there as well depends on what he got to do for rehab and stuff If you got to walk around with a messed up leg because I know the TMZ showed that video of him riding around on the On the little the thing man, y'all know what I'm talking about with there's Brian But if I was him and it wasn't too pain for anything or too annoying I want to be right there with the team man. I'll be on the sidelines on the little scooter thing Just cheering them on trying to support them So, I mean, but that's me man That's me But anyway, team keep it clean who that is it? How my phone is already y'all y'all already know what time it is y'all know We got a mind of his own and when it's ready to be done It's ready to be done But anyway, I was cutting it off already but my phone wanted to be sick and try to cut it off for me Team keep it clean appreciate y'all Saints fans. Congrats Enjoy it And just get ready for next week. I'm sure it's gonna be a blast Thank y'all for coming through to the stream. Thank y'all for coming through just period I will I will be doing another Another These names But yeah, man, I oh yeah, he is I'm always on his IG live He's he's on there now in the same. Oh, okay, so there's is with them cool man. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect All right, y'all I'm gonna actually do another video about the game where it won't be streamed It's just gonna be a regular video. Just same way I kind of did yeah, same way you still with the Ravens games, too But now my Ravens they ain't got no games left this season. So


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