Welcome to the July 21st type of letter technical stern committee call. As you're all aware, two things that we must abide by the first is the antitrust policy notice that is currently being displayed on the screen. And the second is our code of conduct, which is linked in the agenda. As far as announcements go, we have the standard announcements that have weekly developer newsletter goes out each Friday. If there's anything that you want to include in that newsletter, please leave a comment on the wiki page that's linked in the agenda and go out to hundreds of head ledger developers. Any other announcements that anybody has or would like to make. Okay, no announcements. So as far as quarterly reports, we don't have any do this week. I did provide a link for you to check any open task or previous reports in case there were any that you haven't had a chance to review yet. The hyper ledger transact report is due next Thursday. So we may or may not get that before the meeting next week. But we'll obviously cover that next week. I did not have any specific TSE business to discuss this week, but please if anybody else has something that we should be discussing. And now is the time to speak up. If I just wanted to quickly mention that I wrote a process that checks a bunch of our repos for things and I found that there are 50 something repos that don't have a maintainers file. So we're going to plan on reaching out to those projects and asking them to add them, even if it's just a redirect. So, okay, great. Thanks, Ryan. Hey, Tracy, thanks. So we had a brief legal review over our charter language. Okay. While, while the essence of what we wanted to capture in the charter and the overall plan is fine, it looks like some more of our language is going to have to be modified. So unfortunately, this is still going to be an ongoing process. And we will keep everyone posted on this. Thanks, Hart. And we did review that just the overall essence of what it is that we wanted to change with the governing board on Monday. And there were no sort of concerns. So I guess next stage heart is to finish up the legal review and any sort of wording and then take that back to the governing board for their vote. Is that still the correct next steps. That's exactly right. We just need to get everything polished. Well, apparently our charters now on the older side of charters in the Linux foundation. And there have been some desired updates. Again, not changing anything about how things actually work, or the essence of the charter, but just the terms themselves. So, Great. We'll look forward to seeing that when it's ready. Any other TTC discussion items before we move on to the task force discussion. Okay. I'm not seeing anybody come out from you or any hands so Jim, I think it is over to you to talk about the project health task force. Yep. Thanks Tracy. We share the screen. Okay. I did some fall work from the discussions we had in the last call that we talked about this. I feel like we're at a pretty good place in terms of recognizing the different types of data that needs to be collected to accurately reflect the health of a project and where they will come from. I think I feel like the next step is figuring out what do we do. And what are the things we should look at first to get things to get things going to get data actually collected. To that end, I categorized the stuff that we listed in this column the supporting data column into two different ways. One is under this bullet list in three categories. What are the things that are quote unquote easily collected with API calls, because they came from a developer friendly platform like GitHub or discord. They don't really exist behind any API so we have to manually collect them. And the third category is they don't necessarily exist anywhere, even in digital form, they pretty much exist in people's minds. So we have to think about ways to pull those out using surveys, for example, it's just one measure that I could think of. So we have to ask people for this kind of information. So, as you can see it's pretty straightforward the GitHub and discord information can be can be pulled from API calls. We'll talk about separately who we contact or you know who do we work with to make those API calls happen. So in the second category, we need people to go to these different places, they may be in documentation section of a project they may be in wiki pages or meet up in various places, and just collect them manually. There is also a third category where we should maybe work with the marketing team to think about, can we create can we create surveys or polls to ask people about about things. I won't go through each of these bullets individually but are there any questions or comments or feedback on on this part. So especially in the third category, besides surveys. Do we think there are other means to collect this type of information, for example, how do we know if a community, a project is actively and effectively involving the community to define their roadmap. So I would like to ask the, the participants of that community that are that are not committers to ask them how do they feel right how do they feel do that do they feel they are being included in defining the roadmap. I don't think there's any objective data that exists anywhere that would tell this story. The second bullet about can new ideas be accommodated similar to the first one. There are outside voices being respected, and that's it's pretty subjective that we may have to just actively ask people about. So, all of these are in this kind of category. So can polls and surveys is the only way to create this or do we have other other ways to do this. Maybe, I don't know, I don't know if folks have ideas to contribute here. I think you used an interesting word when you use the word subjective. You know, I, I think that the challenge when it comes to measuring project health based on subjective type of criteria versus objective type of criteria is going to be very challenging. From the perspective of you may think people respond to you very quickly, I may think that people don't respond to me very quickly for project rate and what what is the difference between you and me in that case or maybe it's the question that's the problem right it's not the individual. I just, I think there's a whole lot of challenges that come into play there. So, I think we need to be careful about criteria that might be considered subjective for measuring project health. Although, in some cases, the feeling that somebody gets when they tried to enter a new community is so much more important than anything else. Like, do they feel like they're welcome. When they join a community call, are they immediately welcome even if there's somebody who's never been on that call before, are they not welcome. That's going to have a big impact as far as whether or not somebody decides to stay in that community, right, or whether or not they decide to go. And so it's, it's, I think this is the, the important part to being a welcoming community like this is how, how, how much people feel like they belong to that community and are welcomed in that community so I don't know that that's a, I don't need this anywhere but I think it's something that we need to really consider with this particular task force of measuring project health versus measuring the, the desire for people to stay once they've joined. I very much agree with, with the comment, Tracy that this category touches on the more soft side of things, which is still very important. It's addressed in multiple different ways and it's very hard to measure with data, how welcoming, you know, the tone of voice, the presenters are during the community calls, when people raise a question, how are they treated. Do they feel welcome and respected. So, I, I, I chose to work subjective because that's definitely from each individual's point of view is subject, subjective feeding more than anything else, and I do agree that it's a pretty important part in people's decision.  My first question, you know, led to a great discussion that that ended up being a feature that lands in the next release that's, you know, that's a great way to engage people and it's hard to collect data along that along that process to say this is what the project team is doing right. You have to, you have to ask. So I think the third category is probably the most challenging part, but it could also be very straightforward because we know how to create polls, we know how to design the right questions. We just need to decide if if that's that's something we want to do. Go ahead. Right. Thank you. Jim and Tracy. So I believe the topic that we are discussing kind of ties back to being responsive and in the community so that people feel welcome about it. So very common very similar topic that ties back probably ties to both of these roles right for instance, how friendly a particular project is and then what other alternatives do we have and apart from surveys. So, this also came up in our security process task force and then Tracy I saw your replies as well. I'll try to address them. Was that some of these issues that are reported through these tools that are again linked to Hyperledger Foundation right for where for instance the security issues are reported. We need a mechanism to address them in time if that's not done then when I say address it should at least be a reply saying that hey dear effort is considered and we are in process of evaluating right so even such an response would matter to us. So these external tools that we currently have. I guess that's the security reporting tool that we can consider for now but there could be other tools which I'm not aware of could also play a role. I agree with that. So, besides the discussions that happen on Hyperledger properties, you know the community calls and whatnot. Those external tools should also be considered. Yeah, thanks for that input. Cool. If there's no other feedback for now, maybe we can continue. The second thing I did was for each of the items I listed them with different color, trying to decide what are the things we can start doing in the first phase to collect them. So, green means easy blue means a little harder and red means very hard. So, if we can agree on the list of green items, then we can think about doing them. So, I guess, I don't know what's the best way to run through that. Maybe just give folks a few minutes to look at this list and see if the coloring makes sense. And we should and then I'd like to start talking about how do we how do we go about collecting them. Who do we talk to. So, folks, please maybe take one minute or two. Just take a look and see if any jumps are at you that's miscolored. And we can talk about those and then we'll move on to the how part. So, third diversity the first bullet, the number of organizations contributing to the code base and roadmap. Ry you sent out a link recently to a tool that collects some data. I forget what the tool is called, but I had a look at that and they did have organizational data associated with that and I'm wondering if we could get that information if we could also get that information in some way shape or form and maybe that's a green instead of a blue. Are you talking about the GHE thing. No, no, no, the external tool. Let's see if I can find it. You have this cord. The open something to I'll. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I'll go link and drop it in the TSC chat. Okay. Is that a tool that tells us the organization behind each of the GitHub handles. It's OSS insight that I owe. It's what it is. I found it. Right. When you set it open, I was able to search. And you can specify a repository and it gives you a lot of data on, on the particular repository. Trying to grab a link. Yeah, I also did a thing about. I added a thing for hyper ledger as well. I put a link in the, in the discord channel for today's meeting. So people would like to take a look at it. I think there's some really interesting information in that that you'd found there right. And so could be, could be something that we use as we go forward. Oh cool. That's, that's great. Thanks for that input Tracy. Let's give folks another minute to run down the list. I also, I created, I posted a link to the hyper ledger collection. And I also created collections for Bezu and fabric and I will post a link to the fabric one as well. OSS insight. Okay. So let's talk about how to go about collecting them. The first obvious place is get up API's. A lot of us are developers we know those API's and we know you can make a lot of composite API calls and process data right some simple programs. For discord. API's. I guess the main question is, who would be doing this kind of thing. I know I can do it, but I know a lot of people on the call can do it, but we don't really have the time or the resources necessary to make this a mission for ourselves personally. I don't know if hyper ledger has the resource for doing this kind of thing. I'm, I'm completely asking for your opinions. It's something that we can automate, then preferably by a get up action, then the answer is, yes, if it's something that we can add to LFX. The answer is maybe. The second one. Insights LFX insights. It's undergoing a lot of change right now. I can't even add like new projects to it. Once they get the new version public, then I'll see what we can get. Yeah, please are. Yeah, I just wanted to second right here that in the long run I think a lot of this stuff is a great, you know, it's great suggestion for what LFX should include. So, you know, if some people from the community want to go talk to the LFX folks. I think that would be a fantastic thing. I think they would be interested in hearing from you all.  These folks are extremely busy and behind right now. So this is again a longer run thing than a shorter run but you know, it's something we should definitely consider. Sounds good. So, if we want to talk to the LFX team, I guess it will be just me and right getting a call with them. Is that as simple as it is that. Yeah. We can we can set that up. Okay, sounds good. So I heard get up actions. This would be asking each project team to set this up in their repositories or this is something that the hyperledger team can set up in at the level. I would prefer to set it up in probably the, no, not for every project. That's just terrible. I mean, it would be code for no reason. I'll find a repo or make a repo where it can park. Great. And did I hear right you volunteer to, to looking to this. I think we can definitely help, you know, with in terms of finding the API finding the right end points and that sort of thing, but would you be responsible for looking after this, this repo and the content in it. I can. I, my preference would be that I don't develop it. But let me take a stab at it. I'm already collecting a bunch of this data in other ways. Yeah, I saw those. So let's just give me. Let's just say no firm answer at this point. We probably can ask for help from the community as well. There's a lot of There should be, there should be people who are willing to help in this way. Okay, cool. We should get the repository set up and then at least make one or two endpoint calls to show how things should be implemented and then we can we can grow from there. I think between you and me we can at least get something going to show as an example how things should be done. And then over time that can be built up. Okay, to you, right? Yep. All right, sounds good. So that covers the GitHub API is in discord API is. And that is majority of the green items. Let me think. There are also these other things that are marked as green, but not API driven. Meetups, for example. The meetup platform has any PIs that we can use to say how many Meetups were organized by the hyper ledger ones. Do we, how do we even identify the hyper ledger ones. I don't think that there's a single organization that owns all of the meetup groups. There is we have a paid meetup account. And there is pretty nice API as far as I know I've looked at it but we haven't really used them but I've looked into it and they do have pretty extensive. Okay, that's great news. I haven't looked at them at all. So that's great news. So all of the hyper ledger meetup groups in different locations they all belong to the high level hyper ledger org. I mean there may be one or two that are outside the org that just people set up but that's pretty minor yeah all the ones that we run are on one word. Okay, that's great news. Okay, so we can look into those as well. Let's see. There are other sources in the green. So Docker, Docker polls that's pretty straightforward and Docker.com binary downloads. Don't know if GitHub provides this but it would be a GitHub API if it's if there is one. Same for all of this. GitHub, GitHub. Okay, so I think that covers all the green items. So if we move on to the blue ones. I think the blue ones are mainly manual, manual collection. Yes, my first question is how do we feel about asking each project team to self report or do we want to have a team that the TSC designates that would be doing this for every project. In this manual collection somebody has to do some busy work to collect that data. We want to decentralize that for all the projects to do that for themselves. Assuming everybody will do it diligently and honestly, or do we want a specific team to be responsible for all projects. So one thing that I'll say is part of the reason for creating this task force if I remember correctly was the fact that we thought we could automate a lot of the project reports. We're asking a bunch of questions of the project maintainers to answer in doing the project reports are we doing, are we taking a step back right from where we're at today with the project reports. And so I just let's keep in mind that the original intention of this is to make things easier for us one to determine what this help of the project is but to to make it easier for the people who are creating the reports to not have to provide data that is you know, over and beyond something right to make the project reporting easier. Yes. Thanks for that reminder Tracy. So, I think it was just just naturally coming out of the discussion that these data sources were listed here that are at least at at the moment, not automatically. So I guess this changes the question to, do we want to just put these aside for now, until they become automatable. We can totally make that decision instead. So I based on what Tracy just reminded us I like to propose that we don't get collecting those that are not automatable. Are there any objections to that. Sure. Peter please say that I support that because I think the low hanging fruit would be all the automatable ones and then we can always iterate on the manual ones later. Thanks Peter. All right so that solves a big problem for us so we would focus on, I think these three major data sources that are API driven. I think 80% or more are between GitHub and discord. There's some behind meetup. And, Ryan and I will look start looking to maybe at least one call, or two calls to each of the platforms and create a new repository to show how those should be made. You know, the bash script or Node.js or Python programs right so people can contribute to that over time and grow this, this footprint. I think the, the red colored ones are also falling into the same category of not being automatable for now. So I think we should just also leave those behind but should we consider still creating a space for those to be reported if people would like to contribute to to that. For example, I would imagine some research. Folks would like to to say our effort has resulting the publication of these, you know, 10 different papers. For now site, for example, where would they so that they would have a place to report that what would be the right place for that kind of reporting to be done. I think it should be a long running thing. So maybe create a page on the TSC site dedicated to that. I think we could allow people to self report these custom metrics that they have, but the real question is, then how do we take that into account if, you know, if it's there. Then must be then spend time sort of processing it manually as well. Because I wouldn't mind people just collecting the data so that maybe in the future can be used. I wouldn't necessarily want to be then obligated to then do myself it myself to something with myself that would then end up being yet another manual process. So I don't want I wouldn't want that to leak into or grow itself out into more manual things. Basically, I'm just a huge proponent of automation. So I think what you're saying is definitely allow people to report, but don't necessarily have to take those into account when evaluating a project's health, because that will require making those reports. Accurate and comprehensive which would generate more manual work. If they want to call the information out for whatever else reason, it's always there in the acknowledged existence. I just don't want it to be additional manual choice. Hi everybody. I keep some of these metrics on a frameworks and tool page for each project. Let's go back to the basic one. If that helps, I continue to do this so it would be there for people to look at and get metrics from. I'll put a link in the chat right now. Hold on just a second. Oh, do I have to use discord chat. Yeah, I guess if you. Okay, no worries I'll put it in the discord chat. Yeah, if you are, if you are there. It's a great place. Great. Thanks Bobby. Okay. Let's see. So I think for me at least it's a pretty good place to end the call. I feel like we have some concrete actions to act on and we agreed on the, the types of data we'd like to collect with the automation. Right. And I will take the action and report to folks on the next call. Are there any other last minute comments or questions.  All right, let's jump. So as far as I know, I haven't seen any sort of items come up yet for next week's call. But if they do, that's fine. We can get them in the agenda. But what I was thinking is that maybe we needed to use the task force discussion next week for continuing some of the security discussions since I know there's been some movement on that since the last go around. And then we'll go back and start over again with Daniel on the project gaps and just continue that way with the task force so that's my plan if anybody has any other ideas open to hearing them. Bobby. I was just wondering if the documentation task force can get on the calendar the first meeting I think it's the second of August. I'll just double check that for the, it's the fourth of August to report what we've concluded. Yeah, sounds good. So we'll do security next week, the documentation one the following week, and then start over again. If that sounds good to everybody. All right. So with that, we'll close the meeting and we will talk again next week. Thanks, Tracy. Thanks guys.


All aboard for the transcribed premiere production, the Cruise of the Paul Parrot, that thrilling story of the days of the whalers and adventure on the high seas. This is the story of Johnny Robbins and Sue Grange, a boy and girl who sail away on the good ship Paul Parrot, on a whaling cruise that turned out to be a search for a diamond mine. With them are Captain Dalton, master of the ship, and old Dickon, the one-legged sailor who takes care of the ship's mascot, Paul Parrot himself. Ezra Grange, Sue's brother, who as the owner of the ship, is the man who is responsible for the treasure hunt, and other members of the crew. As we pick up the thread of adventure, it is the year 1860. The Paul Parrot is heading homeward and has stopped for water and provisions at the lonely group of islands called Tristan de Cunha in the South Atlantic. Johnny, Sue, Dickon, Captain Dalton, Ezra Grange, and several of the crew have just come ashore on the beach of Tristan, the main island of the group, and are standing on the beach looking toward the tiny settlement. Beautiful island I've ever seen. All that gigantic mountain that rises out of the center. Why, that looks like snow on the top. I laden, snow it is. It's a monster mountain for sure. Like, she's almost 8,000 feet high. Oh, those are the cutest little houses down there. I'm surprised anyone would live so far away from anything else in the world. My lass, it's about the lonesomeest settlement in the world, all right? Ships don't often call here, and after all, the whole island's only 20 square miles, and it's 1,500 miles away from the nearest settlement. Look, Captain, here comes some of the inhabitants out to meet us. You're sure they're friendly?  Of course they're friendly. They're a mixed race, to be sure, but as kind of people as you could expect to meet. Hey, Captain, this must be the leader coming forward to meet us. Peek you, you're looking old chap. And there's others behind him, and children, too. Gosh, just think. They never have to worry about going to school way out here in the middle of the ocean. That's me to where you're all on, lad. You know, now, that's no way to be talking at 8. Why, the day will come when you'll be sorry as spokes of blinking mean about school. Johnny, don't like school. Johnny, don't like school. Stow it, stow it, stow it, Paul Parrot. You're blooming pelican. Well, here's the old fellow now. Ahoy, mate. Captain Dalton of the whaler of Paul Parrot speaking out on your bedford. We're putting in for water and a brief spell before sailing home. Ah, welcome to Tristan de Cunea, sir. Welcome all of you. My name's Cotton, sir. Governor of the island, sir, in the name of Great Britain for who I serve many years in the Royal Navy. Honor me and a war, sir. And this is my wife. Well, bless me. It's young one. You must come down to the house and let me fix the bite for the young ones and a meal for all you gentlemen. Of course, of course. You must all come with me and have a spot of cheer. This is very kind of you, Mr. Cotton. By the way, Grange is my name, owner of the Paul Parrot. I hear from the captain here that your island is often visited by ships. Oh, well, to tell you the truth, sir, we've seen enough in the last ten years or so, sir. You see, Yankee whalers like yourself abound in these seas, knowing that whales passed you in these waters. Ah, but this year, well, sir, I'm surprised to see you're put in so boldly in these treblous times. Don't you know, sir, that the Confederate cruisers have been using these islands as a base to attack Yankee shipping? Confederate cruisers? Oh, vast man. I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know, sir, that the United States of America has split in two parts. Over heaven? Not heaven slaves, sir? Strike me, mate. You can't mean our country's at war with itself. It's true. The South has split from the rest of the country and is calling itself an independent nation, the Confederacy it is. Oh, Israel, that's awful. How could Americans ever fight each other? Well, Sue, my dear, men sometimes do strange things when they're angry. We don't know much about this fighting, but if there's a war between the states, it looks like trouble for shipping. Ah, you're right there, sir. And the Confederates gun votes are always down here and Tristan to capture Yankee whalers. So that's what you meant when you spoke of our boldness, Mr. Cotton. We saw no warships, though, near the islands. You were fortunate indeed, sir. We'd be glad to have you as long as you may care to stay, sir. But it's only fair to warn you what might happen if a cruiser sails into the passage and finds your vessel anchored out there. Captain, I think we'd better set sail from here as soon as we can. I've asked Mr. Grange, we've faced trouble before and we can do it again. But we'll not waste time. There's no use looking for squalls when they ain't around. We'll stow in some casks of water then, Mr. Cotton. Look over the ship for any repairs we need and in a couple of days we'll hoist anchor. I've asked. What was that? It's a full rigged vessel sailing through the island, fighting cannon. And the whole parade is out there right in its path. What if it's a war ship? Easy there, me hearties. We'll hold to. It's flyer, no colors. All we can do is stand our ground and hope if she does attack our ship out there, our men on board will be ready for her. She's out there. I don't know what she's doing.  What do you make of it, Dickon? Lash me to the skipper so I don't know. I don't. But she dropped anchor out there. And it looks to me like the man in the bow of this boat that's come on the shore might be a skipper. Johnny, it can't be a warship. The captain's not dressed in naval uniform. I wonder why it was firing that cannon then. Hey, Cotton, you white bearded porpoise. What's the bloomin' idea? Lettin' another vessel anchor out there in the bay just where I always put in with the Africana. Ah, but, but please, Captain Kosh, sir. I didn't expect you back so soon, sir. I didn't think there'd be any harm. Ah, stare it. You know that's the most shallot spot in the harbor where I always want to drop anchor. Well, there's the Captain Kosh, whoever you may be. That's my ship you're referring to. And I'm so sorry I ran into your private slice of the harbor. However, as I saw no sign in the bay saying this space reserved for the Africana, I don't rightly see that you've got anything to say about it. Oh, a sea lawyer I am. You better keep a civil tongue in your head. Of ass, Mr. Kosh, I may be no sea lawyer, but I know enough to smell somethin' amiss in the wind when a merchant captain, for so I take you to be, fires cannons on enterin' a port as deserted as this. Now, suppose you state your business civilly to Mr. Cotton here, or you may regret your unusual methods. Ah, tell him, Skipper, lay on with the ropes and... Quiet, quiet, quiet. You've lost the chicken face. Well, playin' protector, eh? If it's any of your business, I'm Captain Kosh of the 4 Master Africana out of New Orleans to Cape Town with cotton and trading goods. And we've stopped here for provisions. And if it's any further of your business, any skipper who knows the seas knows enough to carry cannons for protection and treblestimes like these. Are you satisfied, Mr. Sea Lawyer? Ah, your story sounds fair, but I'm not your judge. I'm Captain Dalton of the Whale of Powell-Parrott, homeward bound for New Bedford with a full cargo. A full cargo, Mr. Dalton? Aye. Your ship's ridin' high in the waters for one with a full cargo whale oil if I know anything about it. If that's Mr. Kosh, you don't know anything about it and there's no reason why you should. Ah, let's end this argument and transact our business as we should. There are certain courtesies of the seas. Captain, there's them skippers who don't have enough sense to know the courtesies of the seas. Ah, blister! That's enough, Dickon. We didn't ask for your opinion. Oh, Dickon, you shouldn't have said that. There's no use getting the other Captain angry. Oh, I can't help it, lad, that I can't. I can tell a sea-goin' bully when I sights one and he's one of them. You may lay to that. All right, we'll have done with it. I get first choice of all the provisions as usual, Mr. Cotton. Oh, oh, but, sir, maybe Captain Dalton... The best, Mr. Kosh. I made port here first. But even then I'm willing to give you equal choice. But first choice of provisions you'll not have. And why not? He knows I'll pay well for him when I reach Cape Town and return. Well, why not pay now? Trade from your cargo. These folks can use Cotton or other supplies better than your credit which means less than nothing in this end of the world. Well, still enough fear in me. I suppose you can pay for all the provisions you want in cash. We certainly can, and more handsomely than you with all your bullying talk. Oh, you can, eh? It looks funny to me, Captain Dalton. A whale, either by the looks of a carry's little whale oil, it is fixed to pay any price. Maybe you picked up a pirate treasure chest, eh? Of course, it ain't none of my business. Right, right, it ain't none of your business. Looks like the Bloomin' Parrot knows you pretty well after all, Captain Kosh. Yeah, hang the Bloomin' bird. Very well, I'll have to agree with you. But you're lucky to share a like with Captain Kosh. Let's get the dealin' over with. Aye, aye, for in the day we'll weigh and anchor ourselves. And then we're homeward bound. Well, Mr. Grange looks like everything's shapin' up fine now that we're leavin'. There'll only be smooth sailin' ahead, you may lay to that. Yes, Captain, I'm certainly happy that we're on the last part of our journey. And above all, we've seen no trace here at Tristan of what we feared most. A Southern gunboat. A vast, Mr. Grange. You know how stories grow with the tellin'. I'll wager you, we'll never see a warship all the way back to Port. Here we are at the ship.  Come on, I'll give you a boost. Stop, here you go! Lash me to a yarder. Captain Dalton, Captain Dalton, look after a moment. That blinkin' swab gosh has put in on all canvas on his ship. Well, blow me down, Dick, and what of it? We knew that the Africana expected to leave today, too. Aye, sir, we did that. But if you'll remember, Captain, he's bound for Cape Town, ain't he? Aye, sir, he is, and what of it, man? Well, sir, if he's bound for South Africa, and we're headin' north when you Bedford, so helped me, Captain, why is he takin' about and followin' us? What? Blow me down. He is swingin' about. Old Toad, he's gonna give us any trouble. Well, Miss Sue, I can't say what's in the wind, Lass. All I know is when the skipper of a merchantman arms his vessel with heavy guns, it goes about bully and poor settlers. And then he changes his course to follow a ship. He's more likely to be a bloomin' privateer than a merchant skipper he is. A privateer, is he?  We'll show him our heels in short time. Ahoy! As Captain Karsh completely turned his ship around to follow the Pile Parrot, those heavy cannons on the Africana do look suspicious. Is Karsh really a privateer? And what will he do if he catches the Pile Parrot? Will he find the priceless diamonds on board? Maybe our friends can out-distance him, but it'll be a thrilling race if they do. Whatever happens, we know it'll be exciting, so don't miss the next transcribed adventure in the Cruise of the Pile Parrot. Until then, this is your Pile Parrot announcer, Dave Ward, saying goodbye.


We must realize that human beings are profoundly human, and so human scientists can and do put forth a lot of wrong-headed theories. Now a humble investigator is one who knows his own limitations, one who understands that scientific effort is often skewed by human sin, philosophical error, and political ideology. Therefore the humble investigator is one who is open to correction. The history of science is littered with discarded theories, any one of which was held by the most preeminent scientists of the day. That in itself is cause for scientific humility, and also a warning against those who would impatiently and imprudently push the church to conform its truths to the latest scientific fad.


Hey guys, welcome back. Come again to TV the only place on YouTube where all geek culture collides. I'm Shannon and today is Thursday, so you know what that means. We're taking a look at the Ghost Busters Hasbro Plasma Series Dana Barrett. Keymaster. Dana, as you can see, comes with the torso of the Pterodog Vince Clortho, which we'll be taking a look at in a later video. So we'll move that out of the way for now. And we'll move Dana out of the way for now. We'll look at the box. As you can see, it's got the flight suit design on the front, name patch Dana Barrett Plasma Series, foreign up Hasbro Ghostbusters logo, Ghostbusters name. There's the side art deco style Ghostbusters. There's the other side. There's the back, as you can see, the order in which we'll be sharing these videos, video reviews. We already did a series showcase of all the figures in the line. We've already done Peter, we did Ray, we did Egon, we did Winston, we're on Dana. Next week, Tuesday, we'll be taking a look at Gozer. And next Thursday, we'll be taking a look at the Pterodog Vince Clortho. So move that out of the way. And Dana does not come with any accessories like the others. Probably because the torso of the Pterodog is so big, she did not come with anything. So let's just go ahead and get into checking out her sculpt. Tell you what, I'll take Ms. Barrett back to her apartment and check her out. I'll go check out Ms. Barrett's apartment. Are you the key master? Yes. I'm a friend of his. He told me to meet him here. So here we have Dana Barrett as the gatekeeper. Move this down a bit. We'll bring her forward right about there. And she does resemble Sigourney Weaver quite a bit from the front. Not too much from the sides. That's all right. Her head can look up there, down to there. Move, turn all the way around. The hair does not hinder it at all. In fact, let's bring this up just a little bit. There we go. Okay, she does have an ad crunch, unlike the Ghostbusters, because she does not have any waist swivel. Right there, ad crunch. Allow her to turn from side to side. Go all the way around, really. Help her look up more, look down more. Her arm goes up to there. It's on a hinge, as well as a ball joint. It does not have the butterfly joint like the Ghostbusters do, though. She also has a single elbow hinge, unlike the Ghostbusters who all have double. She only has a single on both sides. She does have wrist hinge and swivel.  Her legs, the dress is made out of a rubbery plastic, so you can move the legs a little bit, but they don't go up nearly as high as the Ghostbusters. And she does not have a bicep swivel or thigh swivel either like the Ghostbusters do. Well, I guess, no, I was wrong. She does have a thigh swivel. It's kind of hidden in there. It's right by her groin area. It's been all the way around. And that's with both legs. She does have double knee joint, which is a little bit harder to use because of the dress. And she does have a hinge on the ankle, brings her foot up that far, back that far, and no swivel. Well, yeah, she does have swivel. Bring your foot like that and like that. And she really has no problem standing up, really. This is a nice figure, my first Dana Barrett figure. And I really like it. He likes it. Hey, Mikey. There's not really a whole lot to this figure, unlike with the Ghostbusters. She came with no accessories other than Vince Clartho's torso. So what you see here is what you get. So anyway, I hope you guys enjoyed this video. I've been Shannon. This has been Come Again TV, the only place on YouTube where all geek culture collides. Make sure you tune in next Tuesday for the Gozer the Gozerian figure review. Take care, geeks. If you enjoyed that video, make sure you hit the subscribe button right there so you stay up to date on all things geek culture. Also, go ahead and check out one of these two playlists on the side for more videos just like the one you just watched. I'm Shannon for Come Again TV, the only place on YouTube where all geek culture collides. Take care, geeks.


and here at the Nvidia booth here at Computex 2017 you're showing a pretty cool box. What is this? So this is the DTX station which is powered by our new Volta V100 GPUs. It's basically designed as a workstation for deep loading resources so they can have the power of supercomputers in a box. It's using four of our Volta V100 GPUs and it's designed to give the same sort of power that our server offerings, our DGX-1 does. So DGX-1 is our rack mount 8 GPU server. This is for GPUs and it's designed so researchers and other deep learning people can just have it sitting by their desk rather than having to use something in a in a data center. And so there's xcd6 chip somewhere? Yes so it's a Xeon based workstation. There's like one or? Yes one Xeon and then whole bunch of GPUs but a special GPU. This is not consumer GPU. No no so the V100 is the most powerful GPU ever released. It's got some special stuff in it designed for deep learning and we've got four of them connected by our NVLink technology for the fastest possible performance. So this huge performance you're talking about 480 teraflops. Is that what you're talking about for this one? For deep learning there's nothing that comes close to this level of performance. And everybody's working on deep learning right now. Everybody wants to do stuff in that direction? Deep learning has so much potential for everything we do from robots to self-driving cars to when you use your android phone and say okay google that's using deep learning. So it has so many so many potential uses and you really need a powerful powerful server to train these neural networks. And right here we're seeing an animation of this so what is this one this is for the server version? Yes so this is this is the latest version of DGX1 we now have two versions one that uses the Pascal based P100 and this new one which is coming in a couple of months that uses the newest Volta P100. So this gives this is the most powerful deep learning computer you can get and for training neural networks you can't get anything that that comes close to this. So this would be there could be a whole bunch of them stacked on top of each other there could be a data center full of this. Yeah yeah so one on its own is is ridiculously powerful but once you really have a whole lot of these you can do things in days that once used to take months it really increases the efficiency and the power of what you can do with deep learning. And the way you've designed it is there's huge memory bandwidth. Yeah so it uses what we call a cube mesh so all of these GPUs can talk to each other incredibly fast using a technology called NVLink so rather than having to go through the PCI bus or you know communicate through the CPU they can all talk to each other and so you get much much better performance and much more power out of having all of these GPUs in one box. So this is a different implementation so it's used so hdx is a partner-based offering and all these manufacturers can can take that and design different different solutions for the server market. So like 2GX1 you can have eight of these GPUs sitting in there and it can be implemented by partners in different ways and still take advantage of NVLink and the technologies that really help to maximize the performance of communicating between GPUs. What are we looking at around the chip all these things going on here? Is it part of the fast communication chips kind of solutions? I'm pretty sure these are like multi-fragilators and power circuitry so the actual chips themselves use HBM so the memory is on the is on the actual module itself and yeah so these are basically powerful graphics cards if you will but yeah GPU is designed to process deep learning information and this is going to do all the AI kind of stuff maybe is demonstrated a bit over here there's some the way the AI works is you use these powerful servers to train a network so you have a problem you feed it data you play play around with the way the network's structured to get this information out and this one for example recognizes people yes and not my light yes it recognizes think real people so this is using using our Tesla GPUs as well but what it's doing is for each pixel on the screen it's working out if that's a person if it's not and tracking all the movements as we do it so there's a lot of computation that goes into to making that work and over here is some other safer and smarter cities so we're doing a lot of AI city work so this is actually really cool if you if you have a look at this one this is a police body camera so this is walking down the street and what it's doing is it's identifying faces so you see the little boxes are coming up over faces as they come come towards you and running it and just checking it against data so are they all Nvidia employees I'm not sure okay I'm checking yeah maybe all right so that you can just the police can just walk around recognize people and the system can track there's so many cameras in London for example yeah they need to run your and this and that's the problem is that there are so many cameras but for someone to sit there and actually watch all this footage is impossible and so by using these deep learning networks and the ability of GPUs to to crunch through data quickly you can have say in this case what what this network is doing is as the car's driving along it's identifying other cars it identifies what type of car it is what the registration plate is and it's also picking out people on the side so it's it's able to process a lot of data in real time and sift out the actual information that you need so the really you can just run on consumer GPU um some of these things could be like this could be in a car maybe well so so in this case this is our tesla p4 so this is designed to be run in a data center I just with data so you know you you don't have any graphics outputs or anything it's purely designed it's designed around inferencing which is the running a network and identifying objects so at the moment it's getting 30 streams of video at once and processing all of it so it's identifying every car in each different stream in real time and here's some other this is a bigger one so this this is a um the p40 which is the big brother so in our tesla lineup we have the the p100 which is what you saw over in these in the sort of dgx1 implementations but then you you have the p4 and the p40 to be run in data centers so in this case it's identifying um letting you search through uh video for specific things so it'll find you blue cars or specific objects so if you've got all this video you can go back and find the information so one thing I should show you is we also have um I was showing you the body camera before this is what it is and that isn't it isn't talking to the cloud that actually has a jets in tx2 process the processor inside it yeah so that's capable of actually running that software in real time um without the need for an internet connection or any sort of extra data so it can do stuff offline and also speed up through the cloud yeah because because especially if you're using things for um for these sort of uses where you want the information quickly or self-driving cars robots we've got some drones that can fly themselves uh you don't want losing an internet connection to suddenly mean nothing works so there are sometimes when having these devices that can process the networks like on the edge um that are really really useful and other times you can rely on pushing data back to the cloud uh another demonstration of edge this is the the drones you have AI and these drones too yes so these these drones you also use jets um and so what what they can do is essentially fly themselves they can identify what's going on around them avoid objects um they they can in this case it's flying around a tree it can track things so if you want to follow if you want to follow you know an object it can do that automatically and so these quite powerful drones um are able to do so much more because they use deep learning and use the the jets so here the complex uh uh with the CEO of nvidia you have a keynote yes yeah that's a big deal right now AI is is the most important thing happening in computing nowadays it's allowing so many more usages and driving so many areas of computing like robots like self-driving cars um video analytics its uses are so broad and it really has been a revolution that's been powered by the GPU so it's something that's very important to us so there's a big future in there you're going to sell lots and lots of GPUs it's been it's been the major growth area for us um and yeah it's it's something that we're now developing our GPUs around where the volta uh card that i showed earlier that has specific hardware in there for running AI which is you know it's something that's that's quite important for us we're not just taking our existing GPUs and throwing them into a server we're building our GPUs around AI cool so that's awesome looking forward to the future with lots of AI powered by nvidia


Yeah, it's just a cone made out of sliced meat. It's a meat cone. Oh, so it's kind of like a kabob. Yeah, it is from a butcher. No, it's not like a kabob. What do they fill it with? Meat. So it's a meat cone filled with meat. It's a lot of meat. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Or is the cone like plastic or paper and then they fill that with meat. It's like wrapped in paper. It's still a lot of meat though. I don't think it's a standalone cone. So it's kind of like a shawarma without an edible wrapper. All right, we're almost ready. Stop talking to you about meat cones. But just think of how much more fun your day is now that you've chatted with us, right? Right. You're not answering. Right? Right. Right. All right, I gave you control, Roger. Thank you, sir. All the control that you ever want. Ms. Belmont, are you ready? I guess, sure. Have you anticipated any misspellings or strange pronunciations that I may have thrown your way? No, I'll just do my best as always. Is this audio as good as it's going to get? Your audio sounds good, yeah. Okay. Cool. Let's rock. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners. Let's do that again. What happened? I forgot to turn up the volume on the iPad. Okay, here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners, not outside organizations. If you get value from the show, consider giving a little back. As little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way commercial free. Find out more at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, July 10th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt alongside Veronica Belmont, host of IRL, a new podcast from Mozilla and host of this show right now. How's it going, Veronica? I was not eaten by a bear. You were not eaten by a bear. Those of you who may listen to Sword and Laser know that Veronica was backpacking with a group of bears. Do I have that wrong? That's about right. No, you were backpacking this weekend. You were, you know, in bear country. So you were very much hoping not to get eaten by a bear and you didn't. Good job achieving your goals. Thank you. Thank you. It was tough work, but, you know, I feel good about it. I have a new acronym we're going to explore in today's show. Oh yeah? D-I-F-M. Okay, I'm ready. Does not involve dying or fires. It's do it for me instead of DIY. Do it for me. I like that. Yeah. I like it. Amazon's getting into the game. Of course Geek Squad's been doing this for a long time. We're going to talk about it in a little bit. Let's start off with a few tech things you should know about. China has told its telecommunications carriers to block individual access to virtual private networks by February 1 of next year. Corporations will be allowed to run their own VPNs, but are warned to confine them to internal use. No. This is going to stop the small ways of getting around the Great Firewall. That's, I depended wholly on ViperVPN when I was in China, and that is, this is a big deal. Yeah. I mean, corporations are being given a lot of leeway, especially international corporations. They can lease individual lines still. They can operate their own VPNs. But yeah, if you're a tourist and individual user, I'm not sure what your options are going to be. Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, if you don't work for a corporation, it's going to let you do that. And in fact, a lot of companies, if you're traveling for pleasure and not for business, won't even let you sign on to your email or use any company gadgets like laptops or phones. So that would make it increasingly difficult. Twitter, meanwhile, has added options to automatically mute notifications from newly registered accounts, people you don't follow, and people who don't follow you. These can be configured in the notifications settings, advanced filters. Yeah, there are already a couple of options, like if somebody has a default image, for instance, you can not see their notifications, but these are new ones being added to that. I do find that ignoring notifications from people who don't have a profile picture really does get rid of a lot of the random trolls. A lot of spammy stuff, a lot of bots, yeah. Financial Services Startup Stripe has announced a partnership with Alipay and WeChat Pay so that any Stripe-powered website can accept payments through those services. WeChat Pay and Alipay have a combined total of more than 1.1 billion users, mostly in China. Stripe previously partnered with Alipay for integration with US businesses using Stripe, but this one will be worldwide. Just another way of trying to get to that huge market of Chinese consumers. Very cool, that sounds like a good partnership. Yeah, good for Stripe, good for WePay. Yeah, good for them. Or WeChat, good for Alipay. All right, here's some more top stories at its Inspire conference. Microsoft has announced a new program called Microsoft 365. Microsoft 365 Enterprise launches August 1st. It'll let businesses buy Office 365 Enterprise, Windows 10 Enterprise, and Microsoft's Enterprise mobility and security features as a single subscription. Wow. One Microsoft is becoming one. One bundle to roll them all. Yeah, right. There's another bundle for smaller businesses called Microsoft 365 Business that will go into public preview on August 2nd. That combines Office 365 Business Premium with some security and management features for Office and Windows 10. That'll eventually run $20 per user per month. Microsoft also launched its Azure Stack for local implementation so that you're not using Microsoft Cloud Services, you run it yourself. That lets companies buy equipment from Dell, HP, and Lenovo, and those will start shipping in September. So I'm sorry, three bundles to roll them all. That's right. One bundle to roll them all in the enterprise, one bundle to roll them all in small business, smaller, smaller businesses. And an Azure bundle to bind them. Yeah, oh, there you go. And in the blueness, not darkness, bind them. Yeah, anyhow. Oculus has reduced the price of its VR headset bundle, another bundle story. For the next six weeks, a Rift headset and motion controllers will sell for $399, a $200 price drop. The Rift and Touch each got a $100 price drop for their solo sales this spring to $499 for the headset and $99 for the controller. Yeah, so Oculus keeps slashing the prices because that's where the impediment is, right? So for a long time, the impediment was developers getting people to make apps. Well, now they feel like they're getting enough apps. They're just not getting enough users for the apps, so you slash the prices again. Yeah, I hope this will help. I mean, especially if they do another one before the holiday season, that could be pretty good for them. You're still talking about $1,000 to use this if you don't have a computer already that can handle it. Maybe you do. If you have a computer already, then $400 starts to be at least reasonable. But if you're like, I'm going to have to get a new computer and I'm not ready for a new computer, then you're talking at least $650, $700 for the cheapest possible one that can run. Yeah, barely, barely. You're probably going to want to spend more for this or that reason. So it's still not cheap enough for most people, I don't think. I know. You're going to still go for that Google Cardboard. Yeah, or Daydream VR or... Any number of options. Yeah.  Yeah. This next story is crazy. Sunday, the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department in New Mexico reported that a Google Home had called the Sheriff's Department to interrupt a domestic dispute. You'll see headlines saying Google Home calls 911 to interrupt a domestic dispute. Well, that headline says Amazon Alexa. Well, here's why. The original police report noted that Alexis, L-E-X-I-S, a Google Smart Radio, overheard the phrase, did you call the Sheriff's and called 911. Now, we won't bother to point out all the problems with that. I think you can guess most of them yourselves. We will clarify that in case you didn't know, neither the Google Home nor the Amazon Echo can actually call 911. In fact, there's a specific prohibition against Amazon Echo skills being able to call 911 that's to prevent accidental dialing. Mashable's Lance Ulanoff looked into all of this. The couple in question do have an Amazon Echo in the house. It was not a Google Smart Radio, which I don't know what that is. What? It's an Amazon Echo and they haven't hooked up to speakers throughout the house. A call was in fact placed to the Sheriff's Department and someone can be heard on the call telling Alex A to call 911. And the best guess is that what happened is that the part of the report that said the phrase did you call the Sheriff's was uttered probably was interpreted by the Echo as call the Sheriff's Department and that the Sheriff's Department was in the contacts that had been added to the Echo when it added calling and therefore it called the Sheriff's Department from the contacts. So they say at least in this blurb that you wrote that the 911 call was placed and that in the recording of that call you can hear them saying the phrase, you know, did you call the Sheriff's? So I don't understand how that could be recorded on the 911 call. This report says that the Google Smart Radio overheard the phrase, did you call the Sheriff's? But the recording of the phone call from the device in question, you can hear someone telling the Echo to call 911. So the best guess is someone said, did you call the Sheriff's Department? Angry, angry, angry and Echo called the Sheriff's Department, neither one of them realized it and then one of them yelled, you call 911 and that's what was heard because the call had already been placed by that point. Okay, the timeline of this is very confusing. Yes, seriously. In my mind now they have two devices and the two devices overheard the argument and decided independently that they were both going to call and record the situation. No, no device ever called 911, there is no such thing as a Google Smart Radio and as far as Lance Ulanoff from Mashable could determine they only have an Amazon Echo in the house, not a Google Home. People who don't understand technology trying to explain how the technology works sometimes is too hilarious.  And it's already saved 50 lives. Yes, exactly. In the test market. Who knew? Researchers at Stanford developed an algorithm that detect 14 types of heart arrhythmia more reliably than a cardiologist. The researchers used data from iRhythm wearable ECG devices to train a neural network over seven months. In a test comparing the AI to six cardiologists, the AI performed well and even had a better success differentiating two similar arrhythmias, one of which is harmless and the other of which requires immediate attention. I mean, this is just a cool story of AI being used as a diagnostic aid which we're seeing more and more of. And can you imagine if you have a wearable device in the future that can actually say to you, hey, like your arrhythmia is behaving weirdly or you suddenly have an arrhythmia or whatever? I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Veronica Belmont is not Dr. Belmont. But it does seem like we are getting very close to a point in time where wearable devices that anyone can own that are probably pretty inexpensive or relatively achievable for most people will be able to detect and alert doctors or healthcare professionals that something is out of order. We already have this in like pacemakers. There's already internet connected devices like that for diabetics, for example. So it's kind of like we're moving into the next stages of what's possible for health monitoring. Yeah. I mean, these iRhythm wearables, you could do exactly what you're saying. You could just wear them and have them monitoring you if you know you're at risk. And like you say, if they see something or they sense something odd, they can not only alert you, alert your doctor, but potentially even say, oh, this is one you really need to take seriously right now versus, this is one next time you go into the doctor, have them check. Yeah, take a look. Yeah. Right. But again, a lot of times the temptation is like, ah, the AI is better than the cardiologist. And I've seen headlines say that regarding the story. And in one case, it does seem to be true, but that's not even the point. The point is the cardiologist can now get help and speed up diagnosis and detection. And I think your emphasis on detection is exactly right. Yeah. What I really want, I want to wear a bullet like a Fitbit or something like that that I can wear. And then if I get, so I get migraines and my biggest fear is that someday I'll actually, this is going to get real dark for a second. I'm sorry. My biggest fear is that I will actually have a brain aneurysm. Oh, God. I think it's a migraine and I won't get it treated. And I'll just take my regular medicine and try to sleep it off. And then I'll wake up dead or not wake up dead. And so like, if I could have a wearable that would tell me, no, actually your blood pressure is plummeting right now. Like you need to go to the hospital.  This is just a migraine because that's what it's going to be most of the time. But yeah, you also want it. If it's like, you know what, you really should go to the doctor right at the right. Something's wrong. You should probably call an ambulance. But yeah, I mean, and that stuff is happening. Those AIs are being developed. The wearables are there. You know, we need to work out the intricacies of cloud services that are HIPAA compliant and protect your privacy and make you an informed consumer and all that. But that is even being worked out as well. Oh, yeah. Totally, totally. Yeah. I like it. Wired reports that space data is a really cool name for company. So Space Data is a company that has provided commercial wireless service from balloons since 2004. Now, you may think, wait a minute, isn't Google doing that? Well, yeah, Alphabet's Project Loon, which used to be Google X's Project Loon, is working on that. That's the problem. This company, Space Data, doesn't do it on the large balloon scale that Alphabet has been doing it recently, but they do it with weather balloons, which is where Project Loon started. And the whole point of bringing this up, Space Data has succeeded in getting one of Alphabet's Project Loon patents canceled due to prior art. Space Data has been granted that patent. So not only did they say, hey, wait a minute, we've been doing this before. So Alphabet shouldn't hold this patent because we did it first. Patent Office said, no, you're right. That patent's now yours, Space Data. And now Space Data can use it in a lawsuit it is pursuing against Alphabet, alleging the company misappropriated patents, stole trade secrets, and breached contracts, mostly nondisclosure agreement contracts, after considering acquiring Space Data in 2008. And if you read this wired story, which is really well done, it explains that basically Project Loon, I'm sorry, Google, which was operating Project Loon through Google X at the time, was bidding on wireless spectrum to drive up the price for Verizon and to force some net neutrality rules in place. This is back in 2007. And they were worried that they were going to win. And they're like, if we win, what do we do? Because we have to use the spectrum to keep it. And so Project, I'm sorry, Space Data came to them and said, buy us. We're doing balloon internet. It'll be really cheap to roll this out. And you can do your 40% coverage of the US a lot cheaper. Google did a bunch of meetings with them and took down notes and signed NDAs. And then a few years later, Space Data says, wait a minute, you guys seem to be doing what we were doing. And when Verizon, when it was clear that Verizon was going to win the spectrum, you just stopped talking to us in 2008. That's dirty business. It feels that way. Usually, I look at these and I try to look at it from both sides and say, OK, nobody usually wants to play dirty. Sometimes they do, but usually they don't. But this really feels like, I mean, I think it's true that Alphabet or Google probably did say, wait a minute, Verizon's going to win this, so we don't need to buy that company anymore. But wow, it also seems from the USPTO's point of view that they started doing things that were too similar to what Space Data had done after Space Data spent a lot of time showing them what they do. Yeah, that's the tough part. I mean, if you can prove you've had meetings, if you've got the time of those meetings and can prove what you've shown them. And if the dates line up, that's definitely going to be problematic for Alphabet. This is one to watch. And don't forget, Google is fighting in Europe a couple of antitrust cases and there was one just recently decided on a fine. Google is also fighting Alphabet, not Google anymore, but Alphabet is fighting through Waymo against Uber, and now they may be fighting Space Data in court as well. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day, Google fights. If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, you can subscribe to our sister show Daily Tech Headlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com on your Amazon Echo, whether it's Google Smart Radio or Amazon Echo, and of course, Anchor, the Anchor app at anchor.fm. So, DIFM, I mentioned it, is the opposite of DIY. It's do it for me, not do it yourself. A lot of companies are getting in on this. There's a company called InJoy led by retail vet Ron Johnson. Their approach is to sell you gadgets with the promise of free delivery by someone who can set it up for you, which is kind of a cool deal for people who are like, I would like to have that, but I don't want to mess with it. It's going to be free. It's going to be delivered by somebody who's going to show up and set it up. Great. There's HelloTech.  But they also white-labeled their service for companies. Samsung and Ring both use them. So if you go to Samsung and you buy something or if you go to the Ring doorbell service and buy something and ask for Ring to set it up, it will really be HelloTech that is powering that service. And of course Geek Squad's been doing this forever, right? That's the heritage service from Best Buy. I think I used a Geek Squad person to help me with a Windows 98 problem. That was the last time. They came to your house? Yeah. I've never had someone come to the house before. I've sent them to my mother's house before. Yeah. That's the last time I used Geek Squad, but that's also how long ago, how long they've been around. So the news today is that Amazon is jumping into this. They're staffing up on experts to advise consumers on eco devices and smart homes. In-home services are currently available in seven markets. Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose, and Orange County. So mostly California, definitely on the West Coast. According to Amazon job listings, they're hiring in cities like Tampa Bay, Haboken, New Jersey, Miami, Orlando, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas. Preferred qualifications include past work as an Apple Genius or a Geek Squad double agent. And they charge about what these other services have been charging, which isn't cheap. For instance, 99 bucks to set up an eco before Amazon voice services enabled smart thermostat. You can get some Alexa smart home consultations for free if you want some help setting up an Amazon Echo. But they've got good reviews. If you go to amazon.com slash smart, you can see what's available. 95% of the 551 reviews for the free consultations are rated five stars. What do you think of this? What do you think of this DIFM? Is it because of the widening of technology to people? Or is it people who are tech savvy like us, but are just busy and like, you know what? I could set it up, but I don't want to. I don't think it's that. I honestly think it's that there's probably this barrier to entry for the general population of people who are like, I'm interested in smart home devices, but I don't really understand what I have to do here to make them work. It seems like there's a lot of different options. There's a lot of different, you know, is it Z wave? Is it blah, blah, blah? You know, what are all these different systems in place? You know, do I need to have an Echo? Do I need to have a Google home? Do I need to have a Siri? What are those? Yeah, they would definitely say a Siri. You know, like these, these questions that are just kind of like, okay, they don't feel comfortable enough with the process and with the system in order to make that final step or they buy them and they never set them up. And so I think this is really smart. I have a feeling. I'm only guessing this based on the, the URL of one of the links, but I think they're calling them gurus. I don't see them on the, I don't see that word anywhere on the actual website, but it is in the URL. And I wonder if that's something that they're going to, I don't see it anywhere else, but I may have just missed it. But right now they're calling them, you know, an Amazon expert. But in the URL it says gurus. Oh yeah, I see that. Amazon.com reference equals gurus underscore S-H-R-U-L. I don't know what that means. Shrewl. Shrewd. Shrewd URL gurus. Yeah, but, but maybe I could see them being Amazon gurus. That would make total sense. And I totally get Amazon saying, you know what slows down sales of not only our own products like Amazon Echo, but also all this other smart home stuff that we sell on Amazon is people not wanting to set it up. If at the time of purchase we can say, hey, if you buy this, you can pay this person to come over and set it up for you. We'll sell more of them. And that is really a huge benefit that Best Buy and Apple have is that if you have a problem, you can go in and talk to a person. It's a lot harder, at least right now, maybe, maybe when more Amazon stores start popping up across the country to go in and talk to a person, but now they need to send the person to you. And I think that's, it's super convenient. And I think that if they're really going to be in this market just for, you know, for, for, for, for ecosystems and for all the other smart home devices that they sell that connect with that or don't, I think, I think this is a, this makes a lot of sense. I've thought about doing this for things like putting up a television on the wall. Right? Yeah. That's something I could do, but it sounds tedious and boring and I don't want to do it. And you know, you know, you're, it's going to take forever to like figure out how to mount it right and you're going to want to have it be perfect and having someone come do that kind of stuff is just really nice sometimes. On the other hand, setting up my Amazon Echo, I don't want anyone in my Wi-Fi is doing that. Yeah, but okay, but if you had, if you had to figure out like what kind of like light bulbs you wanted in your house that connected to them and how to set them up or how to set up all your WiIMO switches around the house or maybe you don't understand how your, your, your August smart lock is supposed to work or, you know, there's a lot of different things that connect to different things. I feel like that should be more of an online service where I don't have to have anyone in my house but I say, hey, I've got all these things. Can you walk me through a lot? But you're not everyone. You're not everyone. No, no, that's true. And I'm thinking of my father-in-law in particular who's super tech savvy.  Like he designs things that are very important. We, we, we helped him set up his Amazon Echo because it just wasn't obvious to him, right? It wasn't hard. He was just like, okay, where do I start? And I think there may be a lot of people like that who are perfectly smart, but they just like, you know what? I don't live in that all the time. I'm building nuclear power plants. Somebody just tell me where to start with this thing and that could be handy too. Totally. And I think that's where something like enjoy is pretty appealing where you're like, I'm just going to buy it from you. You for free will deliver it to me and set it up. Done. Like that's the whole package. Yeah. I'm going to actually, my, my mother-in-law, we were trying to get her to buy a very specific television for her new house. And Ryan put a lot of time figuring out which one would be best for the size and shape of her room and for the cost and for what she wanted services wise. And she ended up picking something that was completely different and way worse because they, they would come and set it up for her. And so now that I, I didn't even know these services existed, all these other ones. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, now, well, now you can just, you know, return that TV and just get one of these and they'll come and help you do it. And they'll do it for you. Yeah. And then you can pick the right one. That's great to have. Yeah. Totally.   And of course, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and submit stories and votes on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. That's how we found the great Mashable article today. Let's take a moment and check in with Chris Christensen, the amateur traveler, find out what's happening in travel tech. This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute. It looks like wearables as a category or coming to cruise ships. Princess Cruises is equipping some of their ships with what they call the ocean medallion. It can be worn as a wristband or a pendant, and it's a Bluetooth-enabled device. If you've been on a cruise recently, you're familiar with being able to use your room key also as your pass to buy things and put things on your account. This medallion can operate like that, but it also can keep track of where you are. That means that parents can find out where their kids are located on the ship via the medallions, and then also means that you can order a drink and have it delivered to you because they now know where you are, wherever you are in the ship. They're combining it with an app, which you put in a profile, and it can then suggest invitations to events and activities on board or ashore based on your preferences in the profile, so they're trying to add some customization to that as well. It does not seem to track your steps or your calories, so you can find out whether or not you can have that second dessert at the buffet. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler.  They're like, oh, yeah, tell me more. Seriously, this is the only tech, this is the only reason why I want to go on a cruise. I've never been on a cruise. I have no desire to go on a cruise, but when I heard about these bracelets, I was like, that's awesome. You can find out more about travel in general at amateurtraveller.com with Chris Christensen. Thank you, Chris, for checking in. Got a couple of messages before we're out of here. Ron wrote in and said, tech experts reviewing the Echo Show make fun of its size and talk about how thin smart phone and tablets are nowadays. I have yet to hear anyone claim their smart phone or tablet sounds better than a speaker phone. I like the Echo Dot because it can connect to great sounding speakers, and I don't care to listen to music or DTNS, for that matter, on a device that sounds like a telephone. Got someone that has listened to the Echo Show speaker with a touchscreen microphone and looks to be the same size as a mono-sono speaker. Comment on how the Echo Show sounds. Me thinks they might mention how good it sounds for such a small speaker, but I could be wrong. Yeah, how does it sound, Tom? I don't have one. You know what? I have a tin ear. It sounds great to me. Then I also, the Echo Dot sounds fine. I can tell the Echo Show is a better sounding speaker. And I can tell that the Echo Show is better than the Echo to me. And in fact, Eileen, who does care about the quality of sound and music, always starts music on the Echo Show, not on the Echo. Fascinating. Yeah. I want the look. Oh, the Amazon Echo look, where it tells you what to wear. Although I'm kind of creeped out by it. It kind of aggressively says, is that what you're going to wear? Like, oh, do you like that sweater? Are you going out like that? That's not what the Amazon Echo look does. Hey, David Baines, a Patreon supporter, wrote in and said, hey, I've been a LastPass user for several years, but when my annual subscription was up in May, I started experimenting with other password managers, which sounds insanely dangerous, but I'm sure he did it very responsibly. He said, I tried Npass and Safe and Cloud and have settled on using Bitwarden for now. I also tried two password managers that are interesting outliers and thought you might find them interesting if you aren't already aware of them. First one is LesPass at LesPass.com. It's interesting in that it isn't a vault. It programmatically recalculates site passwords based on the site ID, username, and a master password, so no passwords are stored anywhere. It has some downsides, but I find the idea fascinating. There's a few of them I've seen trying this kind of approach where it just, all you have to know is what to call the website and then it creates a hash out of that. The other one is MyKey, but it's spelled M-Y-K-I at MyKey.co. Like LesPass, MyKey isn't a vault.  That sounds a lot like the Steve Gibson project. I find both to be interesting solutions to password security and thought they might be interesting to other listeners of the show. I would also love to hear more insight and analysis on them from somebody more security-minded than I am. Thank you, David, for letting us know about those. Those are interesting things. Not necessarily recommendations either, but just sort of like, hey, here's some cool stuff to go check out. Yeah, there was a post today that was kind of calling into question one password's ability to store passwords in the cloud and not have everything saved to a local vault. So there's a lot of questions right now about the, and especially with the recent break-in into last pass and some other issues that have been happening around password managers in recent months. It's a big industry. I mean, I definitely still encourage everyone to use a password manager, especially just to randomize your passwords. But taking that next level of, do you have to do a next step of verification or authentication with a separate device? Text messaging can be pretty easily phished or hacked. So that's one problem with two-factor. So there's all these questions now about what the best method really is. I like authenticator apps. I think for me, just in terms of password protection, is probably one of my favorite methods right now. But yeah, something like something where you have to do a fingerprint scan on a second device, that would be pretty rad too. Yeah. So check out, we'll have links in the show notes at dailytechnewshow.com. Thank you everyone for writing in. Be careful out there when you're experimenting with your password managers, but do take advantage of the resources. And thank you for Veronica Belmont. Let folks know more about what you've got going on. Sure. Well, the second episode of IRL is out today. It's our massive Net Neutrality episode. You know, we're really excited because this week is the Net Neutrality Day of Action on July 12th. Yeah, July 12th is coming up. So a ton of different websites all across the Internet, all of names that you've heard before, you know, from Mozilla to Pornhub, for example, are all taking part in the Day of Internet Action. And so we basically, we do try to talk to someone who is anti-Net Neutrality and who kind of speaks to why the way we're going about it might not be correct if we do want to keep the Net Neutral. So it's an interesting episode because I came into it very strongly feeling one particular way, and I still do very strongly feel pro-Net Neutrality. But I liked getting to talk to someone else who felt differently. So it's just, it's a good educational episode. And if you're curious to know, like, why we still are talking about this, I think it's a good episode to listen to because, you know, it kind of feels like we've been here before. Yeah. And now we're here again. Well, thank you to everyone who gives a little value back to this show for the value they get from the show, including Don Horner, Gaston Milsen, Orion McClelland, and many, many more of you. Our goal every month is just to have one more patron than the month before. So thank you to everybody who keeps supporting us at patreon.com slash DTNS. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 20.30 UTC at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv. We're at facebook.com slash Daily Tech News Show. And our website is, you could probably guess, is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Allison Sheridan. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Hope you have enjoyed this brover. False flag. That was a good show. I'm not holding the microphone anymore.  In your face. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Starix Squirrel says, the strongest argument I've heard against net neutrality is that it gives too much power to Google and Facebook. That is not net neutrality. That gives too much power to Google and Facebook. That's why I said false flag. I'm like, that's taking one problem and attaching it to not the cause of that problem. Strahmann. All right, Alexa called the sheriff, but it did not all the way. Alexa called the sheriff, but it did not all the way. Stop saying it, Roger. Oh, sorry. Hey, he called the sheriff. It did not. So many people's echoes just called the sheriff. Oh, sorry. We apologize to sheriff's departments across the country. Yes, that thing called the sheriff, but what? But it did not all the deputy. Did not all. Oh, I think it should probably be did not call. Called the sheriff, but did not call the deputy. Got it. I actually really like that one. Sorry. Next time I'll have it order me some. To your address. I'd be great. Even if you live in another state, three bundles to rule them all. AI makes the heartbeat stronger. Patent rolls in space. In space. Alphabet slusses are ballooning. Isn't it amazing how much that dog Tom looks like my dog. On the internet. Which on Twitter. Yes. You know, it's a dead ringer. You have like a stunt double for bodega. So many. If it's a golden door, they all go the doors look exactly like it's so weird. So weird. But you were saying Roger. Yeah. Not eaten by a bear Veronica. That's that's good news. You made for the show. And AI after my own heart lawsuits filled with hot air payments get stripes. Microsoft does it 365 on windows. That's amazing. That's amazing. Wait, where do you see that? Oh, yes. Way down there. That's good. There's. There's also. Somebody put please RT FM, then DI FM. Which I think is, I think AGC is trying to say like, you would say this to someone like, please you there, sir. Read the FN manual, then do it for me.  And then you DI FM. Amazonian's fixed your texts. And no, it won't be Wonder Woman. That'd be kind of cool. I don't get it though. Oh, because Amazon Amazon. Right. Okay. Well, it takes. Fight. And it's your to bind them on bundle.  I mean, do or DI FM? Kind of like Doyer, DI FM I mean, really it's not. Yeah, it's not all that. We got a minute, likes it up. I just. Now you're just doing our purpose. He called the sheriff and did not click. I do not have a deputy. Well, just make it so like, like with Siri, if I say, Hey, Siri, half the time it doesn't even, okay, it worked that time, but it won't set off other peoples, right? It will only set up mine. So, um, I know we had a long, we had a long episode where we talked about why that's a difficult, you want to err on certain sides and people on podcasts are not their main use case and service to DIFM for where people just you could randomly call the, or you stuck your head in their home and you just shout it out, blah, blah, blah, order this. I mean, it's a low, again, low incidence till it happens. If there are people still listening out there, leave nice reviews for IRL on iTunes right after, you know, right after you do it for daily texting. Okay, so what are we going to do? Three bundles to rule them all the sheriff, but did not call the deputy or do or DIFM. Uh, I think do or DIFM is my favorite. Okay. Do or different. Do or different. DIFM is the new hot market. We're bullish. Such a, it's such a about face from the DIY. That's something is chugging up my battery and internet. I don't know. Oh, it's probably Microsoft Teams. Oh, oh, that explains it. There you go. Oh, what is it? It is. I'm just going to check in the chat room. Oh, no, it's Slack. Oh, shots fired. Slack is being. Microsoft after all. Yeah. You need a bigger battery on your laptop. It's not. That's not the point or the problem. That won't solve anything, Roger. That's just an endless race. Just a bandaid. So what? To having a machine on the problem. Turn it off. Not treat the symptoms. We should also treat the symptoms. Treat the symptoms is important. Well, at some point, the symptoms get so severe that they become a new problem. Did she say the Simpsons? Yeah, I said symptoms. No, the Simpsons. Sometimes the Simpsons also get severe. Are you making fun of my speech patterns? Yes. No, Veronica. I know would make fun of my speech pattern. Yes. Veronica makes fun of me. Yes. Yes. Bellbot. Yes. What? What'd you do? You were stuck in a loop. Oh, see, this is why this is happening. And yes, I was making fun of Roger still. Always and forever. I don't see if there's any pictures of Ray. You got me thinking of dog pictures. They're the best pictures. You should have hashtagged that tweet. A summer of puppies. Oh, sorry. It's helping America to look at pictures of puppies instead of getting upset. Okay.  Yes. Do that. I want to see that anyway. Okay. It's one of my favorite pictures of Django was her and her little backpack. What did Bodega carry for you on the trip? She carried her own stuff. Just her own. You didn't make her carry your water. No. We didn't go on like long hikes like you guys were. So we would have Django carrying our water and hers. You have a little doggy cart. Take a tow. Oh, yeah. Like a little red wagon. Yeah. Don't they make them? They're like kind of like miniature versions. I feel like I've seen that. What does the Native Americans make? It's like a sled. No, no, because like you wouldn't have wheels at the back. You know what I mean? It would be... I'm trying to remember the name of it. Where is Ray Dog? She's not in any of these pictures. She avoids the cameras. She's out there. She is in the background. Staying away. She's like, no cameras, please. No flash photography. I also think they try to focus on the dogs that are staying there overnight for boarding. You know, because those are the people who are more like, where's my dog? Wait a minute. This person wants to connect with me and LinkedIn, but they say, and I quote, Happy Monday, Robert. Happy Monday, Robert. I have been following your work with great interest. You've done a lot of amazing things, Robert. Please send $20 to this address for job interview. Be sure to put down your name. You can go see younger little backpack at Daily Bodega. Daily Bodega. Actually, that just sounds like a shopping guide. Do you have dailybodega.com or is it just the Instagram? Just the Instagram. Oh, let me see. I hate, I hate, hate, that copying links from Instagram into Twitter doesn't work. Oh, wow. That's kind of cool. What's the yellow thing in that? Oh, wow. She looks so happy, too. She's got your, um, your mats on her back. No, it's just her little bed pad. Oh, that's her bed pad. Nice. It's like, I'm not carrying your stuff. Humans carry your own. She did it real good. Good job, Bodega. And Sawyer didn't knock the camera down today. So that's good. Oh, good. Did that happen? That happened in my interview with Dan Friday because he has the cone on. Oh, clumsy. Okay. I think I haven't done any of that. What? What? Almost for, I got all out of sorts here. All right. I got, I got to hit the road. Jack. All right, Jack. See you later. Bye. Goodbye. Good show. Take care. You don't make friends with salad. Oh, right. I was going to talk about Diamond Club. Uh, so Sergeant Muffin, who has done so much work to make a diamond club dot TV, what it is today. Can't do it anymore. For understandable reasons. He's, you know, taking on more responsibilities as a job and and stuff. So he is announced that he's pulling back. Now the problem with that, if you are someone who likes to watch the show on diamond club dot TV is that he can't easily hand over the source code of what's there. So either diamond club dot TV goes away in a month or so, or someone else needs to step up and rebuild something, which is a big project. Uh, so a lot of people are worried that it's just going to go away. Other people are starting to have ideas about, you know, what you could do to make something simpler. But if you are someone who knows how to build websites, uh, and, and knows how diamond club dot TV could work by all means jump on into the chat IRC dot chat room dot net or just launch the chat from diamond club dot TV and start talking to folks about what can be done also helps if you bring bacon. Because you can win friends with bacon. Some friends, not all friends. True. Doesn't help with the vegans as much unless it's vegan bacon, I guess. Or people who have a religious objection to or an hour have been bitten by the tick that makes them allergic to meat.  Right. Right. So there are some exceptions, you know, dark redeemer says we might have a solution soon. Uh, he's working on something good. Uh, Debbie's goddess one says I don't think I can completely rebuild the site, but I have some website coding skills. So yeah, I mean, the idea is we've got a lot of folks in there who can pool their skills together. Um, and I'm just saying it on the stream here in case there's somebody who watches us on the video and didn't know about that. That way, do you know? Go check it out. Uh, not yet. Ethan Kane. Uh, yeah, by the way, I want to recognize Ethan Kane in the chat room has been, uh, doing a nicer version of our show notes lately. Uh, so if you, if you go to Friday show and you look at the show notes, they're, they're pretty. It's not, there's also still the, the Google doc link if you want to get the raw experience, but you can, you can get a much nicer version of it. So, um, he was asking me just now if he can jump in and I don't have the actual link published yet. So give me a second and I will tell you in the chat when you can get in there. Do or D. I. F. M. Making sure I get the right link in there. Okay. Description. All that. All right. Okay. You are clear for show notes. I'm out of the post. Boom. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah. There's, there's some people in the chat room are pointing out there's the website, which is easier to figure out. And then there's the CDN. Yeah. Which we don't use to stream to, but a lot of people were. So, um, so if you know anything about CDNs and you want to help roll, roll a replacement for that, that could be anything about Canadians. Sorry. Yeah. If you know anything about Canadian dollars, by all means send us all your Canadian dollars. Yeah, that was the, the. That was the big thing was the super low latency CDN. All right. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll talk to you later. Goodbye.