It's time to combine my two favorite things. Books and memes. Today! Today I'm doing a video that was suggested by one of my patrons. I on my discord for my patreon I have a section where people can suggest video ideas and I often do them because they often have the best ideas. Can you see the books here? Maybe a little bit?  You teasing me!  And someone suggested that I do the memes as book recommendations video. Now I've done this once before. Don't go looking for it because it was like 10 years ago and I'm much shyer and like... But I have done it once before but I thought you know what let's do it again. So I asked them yesterday on my discord for like the favorite memes that I use and I've got some book recommendations based on them. Now listen I just want to say once again some people don't like the memes and that's their progative but like I said in that first video when I did this they're wrong. Makes me enjoy editing or makes me enjoy making videos. I like making fun of myself and they're a fun way to do that. So yeah you know what they're never going away so um deal with it. So the first one that we're going to give a recommendation based on is... I've connected the two dots.  And of course this has to be a mystery right? I've connected the dots. This has to be like a mystery solving kind of book. And I've chosen a recent favorite mystery and that is The Mysterious Case of the Apostate Angels by Janice Hallad because there's... Oh my god. I thought I was gonna die. Window cleaner. Okay I'm just gonna stop filming while the window cleaner cleans the windows because you can probably hear it. Okay one sec. Yeah The Mysterious Case of the Apostate Angels I chose because this has more dots than I feel like any ubercon existence. There's a lot of dots to connect. We're following the story of these investigative journalists investigating this case from about 20 years ago, like 18 years ago, of this cult who tried to convince a young girl to kill her baby as like a sacrifice. The girl, the baby went into like witness protection or whatever. We don't know who they are anymore and these investigative journalists are trying to piece together what happened and it's emails, it's text conversations, there's pieces of media inspired by this case that they're consulting. And I always say if you're gonna read this book you have to read it in like a day, two days. I think I read it across three and that was pushing it because there are so many dots. You've got so many characters that we are consulting and talking to who all have like slightly different perceptions of what happened that night which went to police or child support people or whatever. There's all these kind of people who met with people that night and saw little pieces of what happened and they've all got slightly different interpretations of what happened and so there's a lot of dots to connect. There's a lot of dots to connect and I connected some of them but not a lot of them. So yeah that's why I chose this one. I think it's a solid mystery. I really enjoy Janice Hallett's vibe, like what she's going for. She's doing a lot of new stuff I feel like in the mystery genre and I think this is her best one out of all of them. I think it's also her most accessible one. I really love the Twyford code. That has a great twist at the end but it is through audio files that have been transcribed by an audio software and so it's a bit more like this is a bit more easy to read you know. Then we have a personal favorite. The rules don't apply. I love that one. I wish I could use it in every freaking video. I love the rules don't apply. And for this I have chosen Wrong Place Wrong Time by Janine McAllister because the usual rules of the universe and of the world and of time they don't apply babes. They don't apply. They got out the window. This is another favorite that I feel like you guys have heard me speak about a lot lately.  She can't believe why would this happen? Her son's like a teenager but she goes to sleep that night and she wakes up and it's the day before and then it's the day before that and then it's the week before that and she keeps going back in time and she figures out that she really needs to kind of figure out what happened, why he was led up to that murder, what led to that point and try to stop it basically. I just think this is such a special book. Firstly it's so cool. The kind of like speculative time travel, reversing time element is so cool because she's trying to solve this mystery. She can talk to people that day right but then she goes back and it's the day before and that conversation never happened that person so she's really on her own in this. Also it's about a mother's love for her son, you know? It's about the lengths that a mother will go to for their child and I think that's really beautiful and the conversations that there has around family relationships and love and like appreciating your family I think is wonderful. There's also stuff around her dad who is dead at the time of the murder but then obviously she goes back in time and that's very emotional. So there's a lot of elements I loved about this and I'm really excited to read loads of Jelly McAllister going forward because I just think it's such a cool book, so unique. So if you haven't picked this up yet I would really recommend you do. I think this is something that almost anyone could enjoy. I think it's great, fun, amazing, says a lot, unique. Talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping, spectacular, never the same, totally unique. Incredible. I'm not using the Lady Gaga meme today but we can insert that here because that's the vibe. Then we've got a meme that's very easy for me to use because I love women and that's women. Yeah, I mean we love women. We love women. I read a lot of books about women and buy women. I read a lot about women, right, women, right. It's just, I just survive. I like women. I like reading about women. I like reading from women, women, okay. I thought like what am I going to recommend for this because there's like a ton, right. But I just wanted to mention a book I haven't mentioned in a while that I love and I do want to reread for the next couple years because it was so special. It was such a unique book and that is The Once and Future Witches by Alex E. Harrow. In this we're following women, we're following three sisters and it really is again about, I see, I love family relationships I think in books and particularly we know I love sisters, right, and this is like peak sisters. It is in 1893. It's about these, these sisters kind of discovering are they witches? Do they have magical powers? It's wrapped up in a suffragettes, suffragists, suffra, not suffragettes, suffragettes. Are my mouth, I can't speak. I'm just going to shut down and I don't want to talk about it. In New Salem and, you know, witches shouldn't exist. There's all this like, you know, witch fear, witch trials, like if a witch occurs, we've got a killer, whatever. But again, this is about sister relationships and sister love for one another and the journey that they go on. This is over quite a good amount of time in this book and I need to reread it because I read it super quickly. I was like, I'm having to read it quick for it to get a video out, right? I just feel like I want to read it again and really take my time with it and like take it slowly. But the writing in this is incredible. It's so luscious. It's so vivid. Alexi Harrow, I need to read Ten Thousand Dolls January. I'm really excited for her release this year, which is a Starling house, I believe. I'm just so excited and I just want everyone to read this because I think it's such a special book. You know when you encounter a book and you're like, this is just like special. It's giving special. That's how I feel about this book. And I feel like I don't speak about it enough because I don't have the best memory of it. But everything I do remember I love. Like it was a Five Star. It was my second favourite book of 2022, I want to say? No, 2021. 2021, yes. It was my second favourite book and I loved it. But because I read it quickly, I found that my memory of it has been dissipating quicker than some other books. So I need to reread it and you need to read it. Then we have a personal favourite again. We are going to pretend we didn't hear that. I like using this one because it's like, I'm like, guys, let's ignore that. Let's ignore whatever I just said or whatever just happened. And the book that I think gives off this vibe is The Weight of Blood by Tiffany D Jackson. If you followed my Tiffany D Jackson journey, you'll know I didn't love the first two books I read from that. I think I gave a two and a three. And I always felt like synopses were 10 out of 10. And I felt like if I didn't give this a high rating, I would have to stop reading from Tiffany D Jackson because it just wasn't fair, right? I don't think it's fair to an author if I know there's something about me and them that don't vibe for me to keep picking up their books and giving them a low rating and saying to you, I don't like it. Like, I don't think that's fair. So I was like, this is our last chance, right? And it was a Five Star. And the reason that this is we're going to pretend we didn't hear that is this book opens with a podcast called Maddie Did It talking about how this boy like stumbled home and he was covered in blood, covered in the blood of other children. When he's asked what happened, he kept mumbling, Maddie did it, right? That's what the whole podcast is about. And we find out that there was like this terrible event at the first biracial prom that this high school held because before they had second proms, which I can't even believe. Like, I suppose I can believe that was a thing. But like, what an indictment is that what I want to say against humanity? Like, what? I just hate people. Anyways, so the reason that this, I think, links the meme is because we're rooting for Maddie, right? We meet Maddie, she's been bullied, she's biracial, she has been passing as white, but then she gets outed as being mixed race. Her father has been the one trying to force her to pass as white. She's only been left with her white father alive. So you're with Maddie for a lot of the book and you're really rooting for her. You're like, okay, we're gonna pretend we didn't hear that. The story about her like doing something terrible at the prom that led to this guy coming home with the blood of other children, we're gonna pretend we didn't hear that.  This is a Carrie retelling. So I've never read Carrie. I've only just begun my Stephen King journey, which you're going to see soon in the video, hopefully. But I don't know how I would react to this had I read Carrie, but I loved this story. Like, I loved it. I loved the podcast element. I loved the kind of different perspectives that we focused on. I thought it focused on like perspectives that we're uncomfortable to focus on really, really well. I just loved it. And I'm so excited because now I can read Tiffany D Jackson and like not feel guilt. I'm like, oh, then we have another favorite from charity shop Sue, an icon, a legend. Give us season two, Sue. I need it. The memes require it. I'm gonna collapse. No, I don't. I feel faint. I've struck gold, ladies. And the book I've chosen for this is legend from lattes by Travis Bell, Jake. Listen, personally, it's because I have struck gold with this book. It is still, I think, my favorite book of the year that I've read so far. Anything will struggle to top it, I feel like. Okay, now I'm going to top. You guys know what this book is about. We're following an orc who creates a coffee shop.  But also, you know, the coffee shop like does so well. It feels like they've struck gold. Like the coffee shops are great. That's not a spoiler really.  Yes, things might go wrong. But like, at the start of the book, like the people are coming and they love the little cakes and the coffee. You guys, I can't tell you how wonderful this book is. If you haven't read it yet, like, where are you? Where are you? This video is basically a way for me to tell you like the books that I feel like you absolutely have to read. Well, a few of these I feel like you don't have to. But these first few, the first few I've picked, I'm like, you just have to do it. Like you're missing out. This is like, I think the most perfect book in the world. I'm so excited for book shops and bonus. Like I literally am salivating at the mouth. I'm probably going to reread this at some point this year because I just think it's the best book to ever exist. I loved it. I loved every moment of it. It was warm, comforting. It was a hug in a book. It's like the best book to ever exist.  It's another mystery following the story of this girl who was a student in Manchester who went missing and is presumed dead and it's kind of interviews with all the people in her life basically at the time trying to tell the story of what happened.  Someone that's getting interviewed is going to end up being the culprit because I feel like it'd be a cop out of someone or like one of the characters in the book, right? And I'll say on the interviews there's other characters. The author himself is a character. It could be anyone in the book, right? But you know someone's lying.  And I think that's fun to read. When it's interviews like this, you can really pick apart what every person is saying and try to find the, you know, odd one out or try to find the truth behind what is happening. And I just think that's really fun. I think this is a great book. I think it's such a fun experience. You know, it's all interviews. The author's a character. I mean it can't get any better. Like it's just so much fun. Yeah, there's like newspaper stuff. I think it's such a fun book. And I can't recommend it to you guys enough. Like if you want a fun mystery time, this one. Then another patron's favourite that was recommended is It's not for main park. I feel terribly ill all of a sudden. And for this I have chosen a new favourite. Finley Donovan is Killing It by Elle Cosomano. I've spoken about this quite a bit lately.   I think she writes like, does she write romance books? I don't know. She's like a little author writing books. And someone suggests to her, I think you're an assassin.  She's like, it's not for me, Mark. I feel terribly ill all of a sudden. She's just like bumbling. Like that sets off a chain of events where she just bumbles through life, not doing a great job of doing the correct things and the situations that she shared. She's like, it's not for me, Mark. I feel terribly ill all of a sudden. It's stressful.  And I'm like, Finley, Jesus Christ, it is not for you. This has been widely praised by Friar and Centaur. Everyone, I feel like who's read it, has loved it. Everyone told me to read it for like a year. I did and I loved it. So like, what more is there to say? I thought the characters are great. I thought the mystery plot was great. I thought the pacing was great. This is just a great book. And I can see why everyone loves it. And I feel like, again, this is one that so many people would enjoy. And then the final meme is, it's camp. It's camp. I don't know what to tell you. Listen, I thought about what to pick for this, right? And I just have to go to who I see as the king of camp at this point. And it is Grady Hendrix. I've read one book, but I feel like I know all of his books are camp. It's camp. I don't have to tell you.  But this is the campy horror that I enjoy. I'm already going to read all the Grady Hendrix, right? But if you have any other horror that you think I'd enjoy, I like camp horror. I like ridiculous, like over the top, not actually super scary and violent. This one, we are following a support group for final girls. So girls, well, they're now old women, but when they were like parts of mass murderers and they were the survivors, basically, and then someone starts hunting them down once again, the women in this support group. And look, there's like at the start of every chapter, there's like a Reddit thread or a newspaper article or a doctor, like therapist report or VHS copy, the box copy or whatever. There's all this stuff and it's just fun for you. I really enjoyed this. I gave it four stars. It wasn't quite a five for me. I think this is the only one on the list that wasn't a five, but it made me so excited to read more Grady Hendrix. And I know there's a five in the archives. I know there's a five in the archives for Grady Hendrix. I just know it. I feel it in my bones. I'm excited to read more, but listen, Grady Hendrix is camp. It's camp, and I'm telling you. So there we have it, everyone. That is meme, no, book recommendation based on these. I'll say meme recommendations. If you want meme recommendations, listen, you know you're on the place to be. But let me know what you thought of any of these books. These are all books that I really love that I just want to push on you again. Remind you if you haven't picked this up yet, read them. Like what are you waiting for? I hope you enjoyed the video. If you got it to the end, comment an angel wings or wings emoji because that's staring at me from out to the angels. Comment wings emoji or anything to do with wings. If that is an angel. Anything to do with that, down below. Thank you so much for watching and I'll see you very soon in another video. Bye.


It is widely believed that Islamic economic system is a variant of capitalism. The goal of this presentation is to show that this is not true. When we say capitalism versus Islam, this creates surprise because capitalism is an economic system where Islam is a religion. But actually capitalism is also a religion and it's the religion of worship of wealth, as we will show. To understand this better, we need to understand the historical origins of capitalism. In a pre-capitalistic era, the scholastics attempted to build the theory of society on the basis of the Bible. But this led to centuries of religious wars in Europe and this led to the realization that society cannot be built on Christian principles because it leads to continuous wars. As a result, Christianity was confined to a personal belief system and the study of society was done on secular grounds. So Hobbes was the first to create a political theory without reference to religion and economics also followed suit in being built on secular grounds. The principles of modern economics show clearly that it is based on rejection of God, judgment, heaven, hell. Man is just another type of animal and so human society is governed by the laws of the jungle, greed, competition, individualism. All of these are written into the textbooks of microeconomics. Since there is no life after death, we need to create heaven on this earth. So both individually and collectively, we should try to maximize wealth and pursue pleasure, power, profits, all of the things that are considered good in this world. And these are the founding principles of capitals. The founding principles are in dramatic contrast with the principles of Islam. So Islam is built on generosity as opposed to greed, cooperation as opposed to competition, social responsibility as opposed to individualism and striving for success in the Akhira instead of the pleasure and power and profits of this world. In Islamic society, the institution for managing excess wealth was the Waqf where people gave what they had excess above their needs to set up institutions which would provide for the poor and thereby purchase the Akhira. This is opposed to the bank which people use excess wealth to create even more excess wealth. So the fundamental principle is that we should spend excess wealth on others to buy the rewards of the Akhira. The principle of cooperation versus competition is illustrated by the guilds of Andulus and the Ottomans. These guilds were collections of merchants, traders, professions which had the object of providing service to the population. So if you have a collection of doctors and their goal is to make profits, then this is extremely harmful because they can charge extort large amounts of money. But if the guild of the doctors is entrusted with the goal of providing service to the population, this leads to an entirely different mindset. And that's basically the critical difference between Islamic and capitalist firms. Islamic firms are organized for the sake of providing service while the capitalist firms are organized for the sake of making profits. In the jungle, it's each one for himself and this philosophy of individualism that led to the breakdown of the family. 50% of the children are born to single mothers. They don't live in a warm and nurturing environment of a family and they learn to be individualists. Whereas Islam teaches us that Ummah is like one body and if any part feels the pain, all others should share in this. And Islam places great emphasis on the unity of the family, our duties and responsibilities to elders, to the children, to our neighbors, to our society. And we are encouraged to spend on others for the sake of the love of Allah. There's a dramatic difference between striving for success in this dunya, which means searching for pleasure and power and profits, as opposed to striving for success in the Akhira, which often involves sacrificing the pleasures of this dunya for the sake of the rewards of the Akhira. We've seen the fundamental principles of an Islamic society are radically different from the principles of capitalism. And so the immediate question arises, so where is this Islamic society? Why don't we have a working model of it today? And if it is so superior, we should just show the world what it looks like, but we don't have a good answer to this question. Another question of why there are no good Islamic societies, which we can show as models, we have to study history. And in particular, as Ibn Khaldun first recorded, all civilizations evolve over time, going from youth to maturity to old age. When Islam came as a fresh new religion, these teachings of Islam catapulted ignorant and backward Bedouin into world leadership, and they created a civilization which enlightened the world with knowledge for more than a thousand years. But for the past three centuries, the West has taken the lead in the production of knowledge. And today, the challenge facing us Muslims today is to show how we can implement the guidance of the Quran to solve our modern problems and rebuild Islamic society on the foundations of Islam rather than of the colonized societies that we are currently living in. So this project of revival of Islamic societies and rebuilding the Islamic civilization after the traumatic effect of colonization has occupied the minds of many thinkers and many different ideas have emerged as to the source of our problems and how to solve them. And I have a set of seminars on the Ghazali project. And the central idea of the Ghazali project is that the fundamental problem is one of knowledge. Today, the knowledge of the West dominates and we need to replace it and rebuild knowledge on Islamic foundations. And there are a number of seminars given here which explain the details of this idea.


Since you're all running for commissioner and our boy Bobby was back in the news last week, I want to know what traits the ideal commissioner has.  What does the perfect commissioner look like? You know, how does he handle the media? Like you and, uh, you and Jake, Joe. Or, you know, how does he deal with players, Trev? I don't know. It'll be fun. Thanks, y'all. I think number one thing I'd want a commissioner is I'd want it to be clear that he loves the sport he is commissioner of. Doesn't need to lay it on thick, but maybe you see him at games reacting to things sometimes. Maybe he does an interview during a game and gets giddy over play on the field naturally. I just think it'd be good if the commissioner enjoyed the sport he was commissioner of. And it was clear, Manfred may enjoy baseball. It's not clear if he does. We don't know. I'd also think it's good that when the commissioner does have to address the media, he has an air of professionalism and quality to him and doesn't put his foot in his mouth every time he talks publicly. Those are two things I think that I'd like in a commissioner. You can sell me a river of shit, but as long as you do it in a good way, I'll be like, well, at least you went about it. It's kind of like what Brody Wagonin does. Like he won us people over because he just can be presentable. Manfred's so un-presentable. That worked on you, didn't it? That worked on old Jim. It works. Be presentable. You can be awful, but Manfred's decisions, the commissioner doesn't make the decisions. You just to gasman for the owners. So enjoy the sport and be presentable. See, that's where I want a real person. Give me a real person, not some robot or a puppet. I need someone that seems real to me. If I met Bob Manfred on the street, I'm not sure he'd actually know what to talk about or he'd be able to talk. He just has to be in that setting where he has his answers, that he's practiced a bunch. I hate that.  I also like you to be transparent.  Say what's going on, man. If you have an issue that you say, look, this is a business decision. This is what's going on. Say that. If you were trying to do something, don't beat around the bush. Just be transparent with everybody. I think we can handle that, dude. And then also realize that you got to get this game in front of more people. Like don't try to go for the money grab all the time. Maybe a little bit longer play. Like, let's get some exposure out there. It'll bring the bucks in. So we have to have someone that understands like how to do that. He does not, not even close, just understand how to put the game in front of more people. In fact, he tries to take it away from people. So I'm all mad. Very nice. There's so many MLB managers that I've had the name Jimmy before. Zero Travers. Only one Jake. Jake, what do you got on Manfred? I mean, the future commissioner that you like. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, the commissioner is not supposed to be the most beloved person in sports from the fan perspective. I mean, they're supposed to supposed to take it on the chin sometime, but the big picture stuff is the stuff that makes me sad. You know, I, I understand that these owners want money and, you know, the, the grandeur picture should be, hey guys, if we can make baseball as big and as popular as it can be, that's going to be the best route to getting you guys the most money. There's, it just seems there's so many short term instant money grabs that have overlooked the best way to do it. So I think it's, you know, not to be lame, but it's just having the best nature of the game. I understand money, money makes a turn and you're going to have to make the owners happy 90% of the time, but also be able to do that 10% where you can say like, hey, you know, maybe this, maybe this $10 million now will lead to 100, 100 million in the future. Again, Jakey business school right there. So there'll be like $100 million. That's not enough. Let me go into my couch cushion. What'd you find? Couch cushion, whole box of pop-tarts. We've got to pull out bed couch that we haven't used yet. So I don't think there's too much in there, but you never know, I guess. Well, now you manscape, maybe put it to work, play. Yeah.


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Welcome back, everyone, to the live CUBE coverage here in San Francisco for VMware Explorer 22. I'm John Furrier, my host, Dave Vellante. Three days of wall-to-wall live coverage. Two sets here at theCUBE, here on the ground floor in Moscow, and we've got VMware and HPE back on theCUBE. Paul Turner, VP of products at vSphere and cloud infrastructure at VMware. Great to see you, and Mark Nickerson, director. I'll go to Mark for compute solutions at Ula Packard Enterprise. Great to see you guys, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thank you for having us. So we are seeing a lot of traction with GreenLake. Congratulations over there at HPE. The customer's changing their business model consumption. You're starting to see that accelerate.  Yesterday, talking about the technology partnership. Now on the business side, where's the action at with the HPE and you guys with the customer? Because now as they go cloud native, third phase of the inflection point, multi-cloud, hybrid cloud steady state, where's the action at? So I think the action comes in a couple of places. One, we see increased scrutiny around kind of not only the cost model and the reasons for moving to GreenLake that we've all talked about there, but it's really the operational efficiencies as well. And this is an area where the long-term partnership with VMware has really been a huge benefit. We've actually done a lot of joint engineering over the years, continuing to do that co-development as we bring products like Project Monterey, our next generations of VCF solutions to live in a GreenLake environment. That's an area where customers not only see the benefits of GreenLake from a business standpoint on a consumption model, but also around the efficiency operationally as well. Paul, I want to bring up something that we always talk about on theCUBE, which is experience in the enterprise. Usually it's around technology strategy, making the right product market fit. But HPE and VMware have exceptional depth and experience in the enterprise.  Doesn't turn much steady state there. You've got vSphere, killer product with a new release coming out, HPE unprecedented and great Salesforce. Everyone knows that. You guys had great experience serving customers. And it seems like now that the fog is clearing. We're seeing clear line of sight into value proposition, what it's worth, how do you make money with it, how do partners make money. So it seems like the puzzle's coming together right now with consumption, self-service, developer focus. It just seems to be clicking. What's your take on all this? Because you've got that engine there with the VMware. Yeah, I think what customers are looking for. Customers want that cloud kind of experience, but they want it on their terms. So the work that we're actually doing with the GreenLake offerings that we've done, we've released, of course, our subscription offerings that go along with that. But so customers can now get cloud on their terms. They can get systems, services. They know that they've got the confidence that we have integrated those services really well. We look at something like vSphere 8. We just released it, right? Immediately, day zero, we come out. We've got trusted integrated servers from HPE, Mark and his team have done a phenomenal job. We make sure that it's not just the vSphere releases, but vSAN, and we get vSAN ready nodes available. So the customers get that trusted side of things. And you just think about it. We've 200,000 joint customers. Yeah, that's a lot. We've 100,000 kind of enable partners out there. We've an enormous kind of install base of customers, but also those customers want us to modernize. And the fact that we can do that with GreenLake, and then, of course, with our new features and our new releases. Yeah, and it's nice that the product market fits going well on both sides. But can you guys share, both of you share, the cadence of the relationship? I mean, we're talking about vSphere. Every two years, a major release. Now, since vSphere 6, you guys are doing three-month releases, which is amazing. So you guys got your act together there doing great. But you guys, so many joint customers. What's the cadence? As stuff comes out, how do you guys put that together? How tightly integrated? Can you share a quick insight into that dynamic? Yeah, sure. So, I mean, Mark, and I'll add to this too, but the teams actually work very closely where it's every release that we do is jointly qualified. So that's a really, really important thing. But it's more interesting is the innovation side of things, right? If you just think about it, because it's no use to just qualify. That's not that interesting. But like I said, we've released with vSphere 8, the new enhanced storage architecture, the new next generation of vSAN. We've got that immediately qualified ready on HPE equipment. We built out new AI servers, actually, with NVIDIA and with HPE, and we're able to actually push the extremes of AI and intelligence on system. So that's kind of work. And then, of course, our project Monterey work. Project Monterey, Distributed Services Engine, that's something we're really excited about because we're not just building a new server anymore. We're actually going to change the way servers are built. Monterey gives us a new platform to build from that we're actually jointly working. So double-click on that and then to explain how HPE is taking advantage of it. I mean, obviously, you have more diversity of XPUs. You've got isolation. You've got now, but better security and confidential computing, all that stuff. Explain that in some detail and how does HPE take advantage of that? Yeah, definitely. So if you think about vSphere 8, vSphere 8, I can now virtualize anything. I can virtualize your CPUs, your GPUs, and now what we call GPUs or data processing units. And at data processing units, think of it as we're running, actually, effectively another version of ESX sitting down on this processor. But that gives us an ability to run applications and some of the virtualization services actually down on that DPU. And it's separated away from where you run your applications. So all your applications get to consume all your CPU. It's all available to you. Your DPU is used for that virtualization and virtualization services. And that's what we've done. We've been working with HPE and HPE and Pensando. Maybe you can talk some of the new systems that we built around this too. Yeah, so I mean, that's one of the, you talked about the cadence and that, back to the cadence question real briefly. Paul hit on it, yeah, there's a certain element of, let's make sure that we're certified, we're qualified where they're day zero. But that cadence goes a lot beyond it. And I think Project Monterey is a great example of where that cadence expands into really understanding the solutioning that goes into what the customer's expecting from us. So to Paul's point, yeah, we could have just qualified the ESX version to go run on a DPU and put that in the market and said, okay, great customers, we know that it works. We've actually worked very tightly with VMware to really understand the use case, what the customer needs out of that operating environment and then provide, in the first instantiation, three very discreet product solutions aimed at different use cases. Whether that's a more robust use case for customers who are looking at data intensive, analytic intensive environments. Other customers might be looking at VDI or even edge applications. And so we've worked really closely with VMware to engineer solutions specific to those use cases, not just to a qualification of an operating environment, not just a qualification of a certain software stack, but really into an understanding of the use case, the customer solution and how we take that to market with a very distinct point of view alongside our partner. And you can configure the processors based on that workload, is that right? And match the workload characteristics with the infrastructure, is that what that brings you? Well, you've got the same flexibility that we've actually built in why you love virtualization, why people love it, right? You've got the ability to kind of bring harness hardware towards your application needs in a very dynamic way, right? So if you even think about what we built in vSphere 8 from an AI point of view, we're able to scale, we built the ability to actually take network device cards and GPU cards, you're actually able to build those into a kind of composed device. And you're able to provision those as you're provisioning out VMs. And the cool thing about that is you want to be able to get extreme IO performance when you're doing deep learning applications. And you can now do that, you can do it very dynamically as part of the provisioning. So that's the kind of stuff that you've got to really think like what's the use case, what's the applications, how do we build it? And for the DPU side of things, yes, we've looked at how do we take some of our security services, some of our networking services, and we push those services down onto the SmartNIC. It frees up processors. I think the most interesting thing that you probably saw on the keynote was we did benchmarks with Redis databases. We were seeing 20 plus, I'm not sure the exact number, I think it was 27%, I have to get exact number, but 27% latency improvement. To me, I came from the database background, latency's everything, latency's king. It's not just that. It's the number one conversation when you talk about multicloud and as you start getting into hybrid latency, data movement, efficiency. I mean, this is all in the workload mindset that the workhorses that you guys have been working at HPE with the compute, vSphere. This is the heart center of the discussion. I mean, it is under the hood. We're talking about the engine here, right? People care about this stuff, Mark. This is like, Kubernetes only helps this better with containers, all kind of coming together. Where's that developer piece? Because remember, infrastructure is code. What everybody wants, that's the reality. Right. Well, I think if you take a look at where the genesis of the desire to have this capability came from, it came directly out of the fact that you take a look at the big cloud providers and sure, the ability to have part of that operating environment separated out of the CPU, free up as much processing as you possibly can. But it was all in this very lockdown proprietary, can't touch it, can't develop on it. The big cloud guys owned it. VMware's come along and said, okay, we're going to democratize that. We're going to make this available for the masses. We're opening this up so that developers can optimize workloads, can optimize applications to run in this kind of environment. So really, it's about bringing that cloud experience that demand that customers have for that simplicity, that flexibility, that efficiency, and then marrying it with the agility and security of having your on-premises or hybrid cloud environment. And VMware is kind of helping with that too. And that's resonating with customers, I can imagine. What's the feedback you're hearing? What's the, when you talk to customers about that, they're like, wait a minute, we'd have to like, how long is that going to take? Because that sounds like a one-off. Yeah, I'll tell you what- Everything is a one-off now. You can do a one-off. It scales. What I hear is, give me more. We love where we're going in the first instantiation of what we can do with the distributed services engine. We love what we're seeing. How do we do more? How do we drive more workloads in here? How do we get more efficiency? How can we take more of the overhead out of the CPU, free up more cores? And so it's a tremendously positive response. And then it's a response that's resonating with, love it, give me more. Give me more. I love that word because it means democratization, but someone's being democratized. Who's, what's, something, that means good things are happening which means someone's not going to be winning out. Who's that, what's- It's not necessarily that someone's not winning out. What you read, it comes down to, democratizing means you've got to look at it making it widely available. It's available to all. And these things- No silos, no gatekeepers, kind of that kind of thing. It's operationally difficult to use. You've got, think about the DPU market. It was a divergent market with different vendors going into that market with different kind of operating systems. That doesn't work, right? You've got to actually go and virtualize those DPUs so that then we can actually bring application innovation onto those DPUs. We can actually start using them in smart ways. We did the same thing with GPUs. We made them incredibly easy to use. We virtualized those GPUs. We're able to, you know, you can provision them in a very simple way. And we did the same thing with Kubernetes.  In the one platform now, you can just set a cluster and you can just say, hey, I want that as a modern apps-enabled cluster and boom, it's done. And all of the configurations set up, Kubernetes, it's done for you. And the thing that's just a green light too, the democratization aspect of how that changed the business model unleashes efficiency and just simplicity. Oh yeah, absolutely. But the other thing was the 20% savings on the Redis benchmark, with no change required at the application level, correct? No change at the application level. In the vCenter, you have to set a little flag. Okay, you got to tick a box. You got to tick a little box. So I can live with that. But the point I'm making is that traditionally, we have an increasing amount of waste to do offloads, and now you're doing them much more efficiently. Instead of using the traditional x86 way of doing stuff, you're now doing purpose-built, you know, applying that to be much more efficient. Totally agreed. And I think it's going to become even more important. Look, our run times for our applications, we've got to move to a world where we're building completely confidential applications at all time. And that means that they are secured, encrypted. All traffic is encrypted, whether it's storage traffic, whether it's IO traffic, we've got to make sure we've got complete root of trust of the applications. And so to do all of that is actually a compute intensive. It just is. And so I think as we move forward and people build much more complete, confidential compute secured environments, you're going to be encrypting all traffic all the time. You're going to be doing microzoning and firewalling down at the VM level so that you've got the protection. You can take a VM. You can move it up to the cloud. It will inherit all of its policies. We'll move with it. All of that will take compute capacity. The great thing is that the DPUs give us this ability to offload and to use some of that spare commitment. And isolate for the application chance because you can't just tunnel in and get access to that. You guys got so much going on. You could have your own cube show just on the updating what's going on between the two companies and the innovation. We got one minute left. Just quickly, what's the goal and the partnership? What's next? Are you guys going to be in the field together doing joint customer work? Is there bigger plans? Is there events out there? What are some of your plans together in the marketplace? Yep, so I think Paul kind of alluded to it and talked about the fact that you've got 100,000 partners in common. The Venn diagram of looking at the HPE channel and the VMware channel. Clearly, there's an opportunity there to continue to drive a joint go-to-market message through both of our sales organizations and through our shared channel. We have a 25,000 strong solution architect force that we can leverage. So as we get these exciting things to talk about, I mean you talk about Project Monterey, the distributed services engine. That's big news. There's big news around vSphere 8. So having those great things to go talk about with that strong sales team, with that strong channel organization, I think you're going to see a lot stronger partnership between VMware and HPE as we continue to do this joint development and joint selling. Lots to get enthused about pretty much there. Oh yeah. I would just add in that we're actually a very interesting point as well where Intel's just coming out with kind of next-level systems. We're building the next gen of these systems. I think this is a great time for customers to look at that aging infrastructure that they have in place. Now is the time we can look at upgrading it, but when they're moving it, they can move it also to a cloud subscription-based model. You can modernize not just what you have in terms of the capabilities and densify and get much better efficiency, but you can also modernize the way you buy from us and actually move to- Real positive change to the transformation, checks the boxes there, and put some position for cloud-native development. Absolutely. Guys, thanks for coming on theCUBE. Really appreciate you coming out of that busy schedule and coming on and give us the update again. We could do a whole show. We have some all the moving parts and innovation going on with you guys. So thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Okay, I'm John Furrier, Dave Vellante. We'll be back with more live coverage. Day two, two sets, three days of wall-to-wall coverage. This is theCUBE at VMware Explorer. We'll be right back.


What does specific gravity mean? I just want to pause here and say specific gravity is also very often called relative density. Okay? That's it. That's it. Let's continue. The specific gravity of an object is the density of that object divided by the density of water. The density of water is 1000 kilograms per meter cubed. For instance, the density of gold is 19,300 kilograms per meter cubed, so the specific gravity of gold is 19.3. The density of ketchup is 1400 kilograms per meter cubed, so the specific gravity of ketchup is 1.4. Note, there's no units for specific gravity, because it's the ratio of one density to another density, so the units cancel each other out. Okay, so why even bother defining something called the specific gravity? Well, one really cool thing about specific gravity is that for something that floats, the specific gravity tells you the fraction of that object that will be below the water while it's floating. For instance, say you let a cube of wood with specific gravity 0.2 float in water. Since the specific gravity is 0.2, that means that 20% of the total volume of this wood is going to be submerged below the water while it's floating. If the cube of wood had a specific gravity of 0.6, 60% of the wood would be submerged beneath the water's surface. Ice has a density of about 920 kilograms per meter cubed. That means ice has a specific gravity of 0.92, and that's why 92% of an iceberg's volume is actually underneath the water. But what if we were to use a cube that had a density of 2700 kilograms per meter cubed? The specific gravity would be 2.7, which means that 270% of this cube would be submerged beneath the water. But you can't have more than 100% of an object submerged. Even if the object were to sink, the maximum amount submerged would be 100%. So if the specific gravity of an object is greater than one, that object is going to sink if placed freely in water, and it'll have exactly 100% of its volume submerged. Usually when people are referring to the specific gravity, they're referring to the density of the object divided by the density of water. But sometimes it's useful to define the specific gravity with respect to a liquid that's different from water. For instance, if you were to let some wood of density 638 kilograms per meter cubed float in oil that has a density of 850 kilograms per meter cubed, you could still find the percent of the wood that's submerged underneath the oil. Just use the density of oil instead of the density of water in the specific gravity formula. If we do that, we'll find that the wood does float in this oil, with 75% of the wood's volume submerged beneath the surface of the oil.


This is a mathematical snack from the Association of Teachers of Mathematics. Hello! This is a domino problem. I'm just going to work with a 4-4 set and I've arranged them so you can see that we probably have got all the dominoes in a 4-4 set. Yep, that looks alright. That's looking good. And last of all the blank blank. The challenge is this. I want you to split them into five groups with three in each group. So one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. So in this group we're now going to count the spots in each of the groups. So in this group here we've got four eight twelve, fifteen spots. In this group we've got nine spots. In this group we've got twelve spots. In this group oh we've only got three spots. And lastly in this group well over nine, twenty-one I think. I think the twenty-one spots yes there are. I'm not going to tell you what that same number is because that's one of the parts, that's one part of the problem. When you've done that see if you can split them into three groups of five. And this time again we're going to try to put them so that each group has the same number of spots but it will be a different number of spots to the first problem.


Yeah, welcome back to Think Tech, the 9 o'clock block on a given Monday and to make that Tuesday. It's Tuesday and we're talking in community matters here about drone reforestation with the CEO of drone seed grant canary. Welcome to the show grand nice to have you here. Hello, hello. That's a pleasure. It's been exciting to find out what you're doing is the perfect time and place for it, given climate change and of course the wildfires that we need to reforest. We just finished making a movie and think tech about how deforestation reforestation critical to dealing with climate change. And so you come to us at the perfect time for the discussion. And I think you come to the world at the perfect time. The greatest need we've ever seen for reforestation and and also the perfect time to find that technology can help. You're into the drone side of things and you've acquired silver seed, which is into the seedling side of things. And so it's a perfect marriage to talk about the marriage. What does that mean to you what does it mean to silver seed. What does it mean to reforestation. Absolutely. So still the seed. They're 130 year old business. They are the stewards of one of the largest private seed banks on the West Coast. So for customers who have been impacted by fires land managers these tribal nations, small family forest timber companies state state and federal agencies, nonprofits, impacted by fire. We need four things. See, which is number one, which is one of the biggest parts of the silver seed business seedlings in a number of cases, enhanced aerial seeding, the terrain is incredibly difficult. So I was in drones, putting the seed in vessels that boost survival rate is incredibly helpful to be able to reforest faster and finance. And that's where we finance utilizing carbon credit projects. We're doing a vertically integrated business now, and we can plug a customer into any one of those four things or all of those four things to help reforest faster after wildfires, which is where we exclusively work. Who is the customers. So the tribal nations, land managers that are small family forests, state and federal agencies. And then I believe on timber companies. So those are kind of some of the basics of these are the buckets in which land managers fall into. Those are the ones who, as soon as that fire goes through, and they're looking at kind of what what are my next steps. That's where we that's where we get involved and speak with folks and then in addition to that, there's a whole plethora of consultants in the forestry who register professional horsters and others that those land managers reach out to and we have programs that are available to them to help get people reforestation faster and one of the biggest obstacles there is their small family first you have a couple of acres is getting access to seed growing space. There's not enough nursery capacity and there's not enough seed out there, and that's one of the most interesting things about the business is that that has been something that has not been invested in for really significant time it's been a compliance cost. So what we're doing with silver seed is doubling the production of both seedlings and seed collection. So being able to work with professional foresters have them sort of group neighbors together come to us and then say great like here's here's our order got significant size, we can work with that and we've got relationships with various professional foresters that can assist there. Are you all of the country are you beyond the country out. When what's the geographic area of your operations. Yeah, so we are in the Pacific Northwest and California is where we're operating today so Oregon, Washington, Idaho, California. On the FAA side, we're the first and only that's approved for heavy lift aircraft, operating in the swarms of up to five aircraft at a time controlled by pilot and an operator with computer. And so, we are under the FAA approved in every state west of Colorado. And that's been a multi year process to get those approvals to the size and weight of the aircraft as well as them being operated by a single pilot. Have you got competition is there anybody else be you know chasing you into this space so to speak. Make a lot of money doing same something and there's always going to be people that follow you. That is our goal that is why we chose for profit is to really send as many people into the space as possible by setting example we are the industry leader. There's nobody else that's FAA approved in the United States to operate like this. To our knowledge in Canada as well so those are our primary areas of operations. We also have projects on going in New Zealand, and also taking look at Australia so that's kind of where geographic for furnace today. Boy that's exciting. I'm really delighted to talk to you and many levels. So what I get is that you take you take a seed like maybe a kind of an acorn kind of tree seed and you planted and you have a seedling and the seedling is a certain size and then you put the seedling in this in this vessel, which I recall from your materials is up to 57 pounds. And then you have a certain way of dispatching the seedlings in that vessel along with you mentioned a swarm of five vessels. And so you can cover a certain amount of geography that way fairly quickly. So the question is, can you just drop the acorns. How big does the seedling have to be to be effective. Yeah, so, so we're taking like pine cones so if anybody's ever had a pine cone fight with a sibling or friends in the neighborhood or whatnot like that's what we're utilizing and as you know like there's pine cones that are both open. And those are the ones that are sort of light in the area they fly through there slowly and then those ones that are closed which are super hard and they hurt. And so we're utilizing that if you cut open one of those that's hard, you can actually see the seeds inside of that pine cone. And so what we're doing is we gather up bushels, which are just big burlap bags of these seeds. And then we run them through our process to break apart the cone, collect the seed. And the business is the intersection of tech in hardware software, the biology. And so it's been fascinating for some of us to come from different areas of the business learn about the other areas and go, Oh, wow, that's phenomenal. That's very cool. It's very cool to learn these things in the process. So we take those seeds. And then as you're describing we put them into a seed vessel so it's about the size of a hockey puck, we put multiple seeds per vessel and the entire focus of the vessel is to boost the seed establishment rate. So this is what tree planters have been doing for a long time with one or two year old trees grown in a nursery is you take them out to site and put them in what's called a micro site where it's next to a stump or it is in a little bit of a golly or a ditch that's a couple of feet and it has a little bit less sun exposure it may have collected a little bit more moisture etc. And that helps it survive. Well, what I would describe the seed vessel is this is a bit of like a nano site it's about the size of a hockey puck so it's not it's not a couple feet wide or anything and it's a whole purpose is to help the seed have a higher establishment rate than what raw seed would have otherwise and the two things that really kill seeds out there are desiccation drying out and getting eaten by predators swirls mice birds. And if you just drop a whole bunch of raw seed, you can create a squirrel buffet if you're not careful so we involve a couple of the ingredients. One of them we've discussed on the Mark Rober video, which is super spicy pepper, which deters squirrels and rodents. It's not perfect, but it is something that is acts as a big deterrent and that is the whole purpose is boost the probability it's a probability game, as far as in that survival and that establishment of the of the seed. And so, and then because seed is so scarce as we've seen with the wired article and a fast company article, being able to minimize the use of the seed across the landscape is really helpful and so that's the purpose of the seed vessels. And then putting them in the aircraft. We fly five drones at a time and so they carry 57 pounds of these hockey pucks or seed vessels. And then they're dropping them so we don't fire them into the ground, or anything along those lines we started there we looked at that as an as a potential approach and how we would work with the seed vessels and try and get them embedded into the ground. We just ultimately decided that there was a much simpler and easier to do which is to put the seed into the vessel, drop the vessel and it's already kind of a couple of millimeters down into the vessel. So it's acting as if it's been buried already. What's the vessel made out of. Don't disclose that unfortunately that's a little bit of our secret sauce. Well my yeah and my success is that I reached something that's proprietary. I'm happy that you said no. I know I'm asking you good questions. When you tell me it's the right there. Okay, well so this is really, really interesting. So the, the sounds to me I was thinking that the swarm arrangement would be like on a grid, you know, like on a search pattern. You take a good piece of geography divided up into say squares or rectangles, and then you have the, you know, the drones fly over these squares or rectangle. But you have much greater control than that you can focus it down to a very small area and really how that area in order to be sure that you're going to have tree grows in that area how does that work. Yeah, so what we do is we basically do a first flight where we fly a drone has a lighter unit and multispectral camera, and that lighter unit is taking about 800,000 points per second so a little laser bouncing off of a two inch tree branch. It's important to collect those returns, those sort of dots in the cloud, because it creates a whole 3D terrain map so we don't send our drone right into that tree branch. It is significantly higher resolution than even self driving cars. It's something that we look at as far as like how do we create that that landscape in that map. So then we run our software on top of that and then that generates the flight pass that we want to fly the drones along. And what we do is today we manually remove a lot of the acreage in which we don't believe the sea vessels would grow well. So this is incredibly simple things for human you're like well we shouldn't we shouldn't dump a whole bunch of sea vessels on a gravel road it's not going to do well. But if for a computer you're like running you're looking at that you're like okay great let's remove all of these areas. This is all blackberry bushes. This is this is existing stands of trees that are 20 to 40 feet tall so the shade they're going to be quite shaded so they're not going to get growth. So this is how we sort of analyze at about a third of an acre scale and then we can actually get the seed vessel within a meter to two meters as far as where we drop the where we drop and where it lands and so that's something that we can So this is a very similar to the micro site. Very similar to tree planters I mentioned and then to the earlier question about kind of the proprietary nature what I can say is that we publish our results from our first two years we have about a year to two years to lay where we've ordered customers or working on projects with us. But we published our results in the US Foresters tree planters notes. And so that is publicly available for folks that want to take a look at that. So I can see you sitting down and say some organization that owns land and manages land wants to reforest and they show you a map and then you punch it in on a GPS basis and now you know exactly where you want to drop how much seed what kind of seed and what time and day and so forth and and you take pictures of what you do right down to those very fine fine resolution pictures and then you report back to your client and say well here's what we did here's the amount of seed we dropped here's the locations we dropped it here's some some video of you know what it looks like and and what about following up though Grant what about going back there a month or two or six months later to see how it's doing or a year or two. Do you do that too for the client. Oh absolutely so the level of data that we're providing providing to customers is unprecedented, meaning that previously there are a whole bunch of seedlings they will go out and kind of which species got planted where there there may have been some macro level reporting as far as this block got kind of this percentage we're able to tell customers well it's within this. You know these are where these species went these are where these species went within a meter to two meters. And so we can do sites. We always recommend because we work in post wildfire we always recommend to our land managers. Multiple species are a polyculture as opposed to monoculture, because of polyculture. Different species have different evolved mechanisms deal with fire. And the last thing you want after having a big burned acreage is to plan a whole bunch of trees that will re burn. So it's very important that we recommend that and say here's the species. And by the way we collect all the seed. So we can work with geographically appropriate seed. It's native. And that's really important it goes far beyond just like was it and you know, is it is it native. We go down to kind of the seed zones and seed zones are about the size of counties and so those that we approach which see to utilize because seeds from the closest seed zones will perform better grow better house to higher survival rate. So it's really important for foresters to get that whole feedback. Now then the follow up is that we're absolutely looking at data after one dry season so for the summer season. Desiccation drying out that's what I mentioned is one of the number one things that kills seeds so go back out after the summer and see well how are we looking. And then for carbon credit projects. We're working on carbon credit futures or ex ante under climate reserve. So these credits, they absolutely require a third party independent for sure to go out after a year, make sure that there's a minimum quantity of trees on the landscape, their space to their the right density, etc. And that's how they then issue credits. And that comes a year later so connection reserve. Very similar to folks who are familiar with US Green Building Council, their standards organization they create a standard people follow them, they follow them and US Green Building Council case you get the big seal inside of the building in cars case you get to issue credits in exchange a year after the project has been initiated so we're in our first project there and for folks that are being affected by fire. We're actively taking solicitations proposals for people to get in touch with us about a do they are where do they need what do they need seed seedlings enhanced aerial seeding or finance and that's that last bit which is that finance that's where the money comes from. So, in terms of the, the desiccation problem. Number one is how how soon after a wildfire can you plant. You have to wait, you have to wait for, you know, for example some rain you have to wait for the soil to somehow be conditioned naturally before you can drop seed on it. Or can you go right away what's the timing on that. We can get in there as fast as possible so we're reviewing and watching fires as they are burning and seeing where they expand to. And the reason for that is because the faster that we can get in there and stabilize soils. The, the faster we can get in there before we start to pop up the higher the establishment rate so site after a year two years three years really starts to me nature doesn't like a vacuum so things start to pop up. And if they're and ideally we're out there within 90 days after a burn. And that's our that's our focus this hasn't been something that's been available in forestry before. So we're still educating land managers are customers to say, look like you didn't know it but like we can be out there within 90 days. Talk to us, tell us about your land, tell us tell us what species you're looking for, give us some coordinates on where it's at or an address or which fire you're affected by. And the reason this is so impactful is because previously.  Well, first thing you do is figure out well, who has seed for me. Second is, well, do I have the money or do I need to go get a grant from cow or for somebody else along those lines. And then you send the seed off to the nursery if the nursery has capacity right now capacity is there's three year waits with many nurseries just to start growing. And then after that you've grown it for a year. And then you've got to hire a subcontractor who hires labor to do some of that manual planting with those one or two year old trees. And you do that because it is absolutely grueling work. The reason we utilize drones and are building that automation out that pool for for the workforce that goes out in the field is because you're doing wind sprints up and down mountains with a 40 pound bag of one to two year old trees. We're in the caloric equivalent of running two marathons every day at work. So what treat what tree planters eat, like put, you know, is right up there with Michael Phelps like seven pancakes with, you know, you've got your peanut butter and your honey. You're just basically trying to figure out how to consume calories to keep yourself going during the day. And tree planters are superheroes out there. I didn't like the firefighters who fight the wildfires in the first place, you know, you know, I wanted to ask you about floods and trouts and we do have climate change and I mean I'm delighted to find that you're addressing that directly.  Sometimes you hear a very flat reporting and say, oh, we have the wildfire, you know, oh, we have the drought of the flood and they never even mentioned as part of climate change. Anyway, so if I have a wildfire is because largely because things would dry in the first place. And I may have drought or flood after that. So how can you deal, for example, with growing a forest in a very dry area which is getting drier, or which is being flooded. How do you deal with that? Well, and first of all, thanks for the note there, like for the audience. If you see climate reporters or reporters on weather and disasters, and they're saying, hey, this is a result of climate change, please send them a thanks, because that is not happening enough. And there's some networks that are mentioning it. There's three that are not. And the mentions of climate change with hurricanes and fires is just not there. But this is the macro problem we said, we said it was just a drone seat. We've been building for five years on this. The data has been there. This was before we existed and got started in 2016. And 2018's fire season with Paradise Fire have not hit yet, 2020, 2021, worse and worse. The data is that we will expect to see bigger fires that are more severe, and we will see less and less natural regeneration. So people know this intuitively. They're not surprised to hear, oh, forests are in trouble. They're like glaciers. They're like coral. We are starting to see the data that's coming back saying that they are an exponential decline. The know why behind it is what people don't have, which is that when there is a big fire that goes through, if it goes through at low severity, there are cones at the top of the trees and there are seeds in the soil that doesn't get burned. This fire kind of goes through and it's like a crumber land.  And the seeds in the soil are okay, but it's only like a centimeter and inch down that the fire burns. And the trees only burn kind of the middle bushy part of the tree, but the top part of the tree, there's some cones and they'll have a seed rain and it comes down. That's a low severity fire. That's why prescribed burning is a great process in which we can reduce fire risk. But what happens with moderate to high severity fires is that it burns all the way up to the top of the tree. So it makes it look like a Looney Tunes be hit by a bolt of lightning. There's nothing left of that tree, including some of that seed that was actually in the tree waiting for fire events. And it burns several inches down into the soil.  There's a lot of that organic biomass going up. So what happens out of that is if you've got many, many more moderate to high severity fires, because the dry period has stretched out from a couple of months to five or six months, the trees have lost all their moisture, the fuel loads are higher. And so they're more likely to burn and then you see that a increase in the frequency of lightning as a result of higher temperatures. So you're seeing that's one of the biggest effects that starts the fire. So this all happens. And what we see is that basically the forests are not regenerating. So we have to update our high school bio where, oh, it's sad the forest take a long time to regrow. You know, the forest, in many cases, they were, they were regrowing 91% of the time. Now we're starting to see that drop down to potentially 60%, maybe 40%, depending upon the ecosystem. And we have a supply chain with orchards and seed that was built to resupply 9% of the system. Well, there is a lot more of that system that has not been built out and it takes 20 to 40 years to spin up a new orchard. So we can't utilize the systems that exist in the past, which is one of the reasons that silver seed is such a critical focus point for us now, which is that we need to go out and collect seed cones in those bushels and process them through silver seed to be able to make sure that we have seed for seedlings seed for arrow and hand seeding. And then that's what really allows us to be able to reforest in a significant way after these massive fire events that we see every year. And that's, and that is where we can build that capacity. So there's, there's hope we can do that, but we have to invest a hell of a lot of money into doing that. And that's where the carbon credits come in. Because we're able to be able to basically take companies that are making carbon neutral and negative pledges. And then there's not enough credits in the system for them to be able to make those pledges and expand. And so we're looking at that and saying, okay, well, forward looking credits or the capture of carbon over time, where there is legal easements put on the property, which guarantees that there will be that capture. And that's how we look to accomplish that. So very long answer there, but I love it. I love it all. So what kind of credits are not available everywhere what states are you operating in which actually have carbon credits, which provide a benefit to the landowner. Well, so California's carbon credit markets and going strong I'll distinguish here that we operate within the voluntary credits. So there's no need to have a market per se that requires you any company can go out there and say what's a separate carbon footprint is and then start looking at what are options. And so the markets that are out there, the voluntary market, there's an exchange through climate action reserve that can be utilized today by anyone in any state, but the markets as a market are starting to expand and emerge. It is a very, very large business about 272 billion was I think the refinitives last analysis of carbon credits that was vast majority with that is it was in the EU, but that is expanding California's carbon market has been going strong for over a decade. It learned from Kyoto protocol put a price floor on carbon. And just pass a carbon market this year, and then Canada just wanted to be your court fight the federal government has the authority was where it was ruled to establish a national carbon and then Oregon has had the vote and state legislature to be able to pass a carbon market for well on a year plus now, but they haven't had quorum or this this the sufficient number of members in the Senate to be able to actually pass the market. So I think it's very similar to what we see with the legalization of cannabis, the states that were the first movers there so you can be the first movers to adopt carbon markets. Now you'd be a good reason for a given state to adopt carbon credits, because you're, you know, you're tangible visible, and you have metrics you can determine, they can determine what you put in and how well it worked. Speaking of how well it works. Do you ever have to go back later and say, hmm, that didn't work so well. We followed up and we found that it wasn't growing at the same rate or covering the same ground in the way we had hoped. So we're going to do it again. Does that ever happen. Oh yeah, it's a probability game, which is that you're looking at how do we boost the probability for for folks that are it's a binary of like, oh the trees grew or the tree didn't. That's not how it works. You're like how can we get the right number of trees on to the on to the land. So in our R&D projects. Yeah, we definitely have misses. We don't know about if it's hard for whether it's seedlings or seed to survive a heat down. That is a big, you know, that drying out is top work through. And so, like any agriculture, weather plays a factor. So we, what we look as is how do we mitigate those risks. So in our carbon credit projects, we work in big ways to mitigate those risks have multiple phases to the project so they're in the spring they're in the fall they can be multi year.  What if a project is separate several years old burns again. All there's a there's an insurance pool the credits and those credits are retired. It is a trustworthy system where you can look at and say okay, there's a number of methodologies for different from soil carbon to reforestation to range lens etc. Well they come up with protocols and how do we deal with the risk well the same way the insurance industry deals with it which is all projects contributed to a risk pool project gets hit the credits from that risk pool retired accordingly. And so that's kind of some of the factors there and then having third parties that go out and verify allows people to say oh okay yes there was somebody, they were not the company, they went out there, they actually physically looked at the trees they're growing. And then we're actually starting to see technological advances and to be able to reduce the cost of that well, once the trees get to be a certain age you can start to see them on satellite images, and you can start to reduce the cost of that so there's companies like the Shaman others that are doing great work in that space. Wow. This is science and technology and data gathering. It's really more sophisticated than I would have imagined. What about the species you know you said a lot of things that make me feel that the species counts. Sometimes you want one species or the customer does. Sometimes you want another, sometimes a given species species will do better in fire weather drought flood what have you. And sometimes you want a certain species for the natural ecology of it. How do you choose the species, and is it a negotiating arrangement between you and the customer do you always agree. So to make a recommendation it's always, it's always like what are the land managers priorities. That is where the focus is. But what that means for us is that if you're a timber company you don't want to see it burn again. I mean those that is where the conversation like this usually heads, you don't want to see it burn again you want to utilize species that are growing grow well for our carbon credit projects, the projects that we're doing are put under conservation easement. So that ceases to be timberland when we do those projects under professional easement. So in that case we're our first project we've got nine species in total. There are various conifers. And so basically out of those projects, what happens is we start to create a lot more biodiversity that's on the stands etc. And now, timber companies again I'll mention like what their focus is when, when there's projects and they're looking to reforce quickly and similarly to like capture that carbon. What they're focused on is also mitigating the biggest risk to their business which is fire.  What happens out of that is it's designed to burn a little bit and still allow the tree to live. So that's a, that's a desirable species from both the commercial standpoint, as well as from a fire resiliency standpoint, and then you start to mix that in. So that's kind of that bushy middle section, depending upon species that, as far as the, the kind of what the ladder is, how fire moves up the height of a tree, where it starts to factor some of those aspects in, as well as just kind of what are the other evolutionary mechanisms that tree species has but culture is a way to defend against fire because trees respond differently. And then selection of trees, there's a nice overlap between what is commercial, what is fire resistance. And that's, that's where that's how we make recommendations for our customers. It makes me that you must be an agricultural scientist are well trained in it and maybe you have agricultural scientists on your staff and and or that you consult with them on a regular basis to refer refine your, you know, decision process and refine your systems am I right. I myself have a great team surrounding me. And so my, my job here is to basically integrate, give direction and take what is a multiple, multiple discipline approach for a company. We've got folks that are coming out of the military, have a ton of experience operating aircraft, specifically large aircraft that are remote and autonomous. We've got folks that are coming from PhDs in civil culture. Mass masters in post fire ecology. We've got folks that are coming from the largest nurseries on the West Coast, and assisting us and building out our operations. And these are folks that we've all recruited on the basis of mission.  It doesn't believe that doesn't mean the trees are the silver bullets to things. What it means is that we're an interdependent. And if we lose all of our forests, that's going to be a massive gigaton dump of carbon. So we should do everything in our power to maintain our forests, reforest as fast as possible each and every year, and try and buy more time for all the other people working on cow burps or direct air carbon capture or seaweed. Everyone in tech working on climate is interdependent. And if we're not putting a price on carbon, decarbonizing, electrifying everything. We are just going to face a far more negative future, not for just for our kids, but for ourselves. By the time I'm 60 at this trajectory, like my golden years are not going to be fun, and everybody should be thinking accordingly to that, which is that where we're headed on the trend lines with climate change, we very, very much need to focus very large amounts of effort, people's time, if people aren't working on climate. There are so many opportunities to figure out how to transition, how you spend your eight hours a day working on climate I highly encourage you to take a look at this. Absolutely. One thing we one thing before we run out of time is, you know, drones have only been around for what maybe 15 years, maybe something like that. Maybe 20 max and you must be refining your systems, refining your equipment refining, how you use the equipment that of course the, you know, the communications and control aspects of what you do. Can you describe briefly what the arc has been. How have you developed say over the past 10 years, in terms of, you know, your, your drone equipment. So we got started in 2016, we went through Techstar Seattle, and it was right kind of at the tail end of like the very large investments in the VC space in drones. And it was a, it was a lot of investments. Oh, and then as we see like sometimes there's that sort of valley of death for startups where it's sort of like great the expectations were way higher than the technology can deliver. So building on that over five years, it has continued to be a platform in which drones navigate terrain, navigate terrain faster than running wind sprints up and down with 40 pound payloads. Forestry, when we started working with various land managers, many would expect okay like forestry like people may be concerned about the drones or like suspect of them or we had the opposite experience. We were talking about many people were like, we wondered when you were going to get here. So there was a definite like, we're on board, we're looking forward to not running wind sprints and providing better tools to people like we don't plow fields with oxen and draft animals anymore, we have tractors. And so we're looking for those tools when we still have farmers so we're looking for those tools to be able to be more efficient in what we do each and every day. And so we've been continuing to build bigger and better payload delivery systems and at the time that we came up. There was really only consumer and military those were the sort of two buckets of kind of where drones were at, and the consumers not built for 1000 assemblies and disassemblies and we take it out to site per season. So we built our own, which made them far more resilient as we're going to focus as we start to see the drone industry mature further and further. We're starting to see some exciting technology that will then add our software to to be able to have longer flight teams and bigger payloads so we're pretty excited about that as well as having the operating experience and trust with the FAA to be able to operate in the in the with swarms and remote locations. Wow, what a great idea build your own, stay ahead of the curve always, you know, and deforestation is happening around the world. And you must have, you know, a better handle on this but my guess would be is that deforestation is the most dangerous vector leading to climate change because of the amount of acreage that's being destroyed every day. And in many countries, I'm thinking Brazil in many countries it happens without limitation, and it happens with the government turns a blind eye, and people are you know wrecking thousands and thousands of acres of forest all day long. So it seems to me that what you're doing and you know the future of what you're doing is probably one of the most salient efforts the world can make that is to reforest. And so of course I you know it goes without saying that your operation, the need for it will expand your operation will fill that need but my question is, what do you see for drone seed now that it has acquired silver seed now that it has developed this technology. And it has, you know, looked so far and wide for better ways to do things. What do you see for the future of drone seed here and elsewhere out of the country in places where, you know, there's an abiding need to reforest right now. That reforestation need is something that people understand. We're hardwired biologically to appreciate and love trees from wherever whatever ecosystem we're coming from is something that it's been sustaining for us as we've evolved through the centuries. So for us, basically what we see is, for today, what we're focusing on is expanding our footprint west of Colorado and in Dwight. We have projects that are in the R&D phase there and looking to expand how we utilize carbon capture and how we utilize carbon credits to be able to fund that reforestation and take it from a compliance cost. And yes, we'd like the trees to grow, but everybody would like to be pay as little as possible to know these are the highest quality credits you can get. They've been fired. Here's the native species. Here's the locale, etc. And so that's really where we're taking that over time as we expand. What we're starting to see is start to see operations that are focusing on where is that seed supply for focusing on how do we operate with locals. I've lived 25% of my life abroad and for separate continents, and the answer is not parade in as the Americans to be like we've got this problem solve. So I'd like to come in and basically say, like, look, let's talk to folks that are managing Lente, figure out what their objectives are and how we can provide technology and capital to work with and be able to boost those objectives to reforest faster. And so that's something that as far as an approach that we come at it with from a company perspective, that's similarly something that we'll be looking at as we grow and expand. But first and foremost, we had a huge problem with wildfires today in California and Oregon and Washington, all the way up into BC, and that is not isolated as they're worth a big media fires are there are five to 10 other fires of similar fires that are just not affected structures, they're not affecting livestock and other pieces, the remote areas, they're just not getting the coverage so that's something that we I see a weekly report, and you start to see here's 10 to 20,000 acres added to this fire and we've got a list of right now I think 10 to 15 right now we're tracking and starting to sort of watch the spawning as it's growing so it's something that take care of where we're at today. First and foremost, expand rapidly with the with still to see a nursery operation secret and each of those four protocols that make us that vertically integrated company. And one one last scenario and one last request for comment when a place is deforested, whether by burning or any any other way. The wildlife that lived in that forest has to go somewhere else. And when it goes somewhere else you you have the risk of, you have the risk of it, you know, coming into human inhabited areas. And sometimes bringing disease with it called spill over disease. And, you know, there are many scientists who believe that's exactly how SARS and mayors and coven that were originally generated that bats for example that lived in forests, had no forest anymore, and they had a move, and they moved closer to humans and they brought with them their viruses. So the question I put to you is, you know, you can build a new forest. You can grow new trees. But how do you reattract the wildlife that was there before. By creating habitat. Once habitat is created. You start to see, and this is my background is coming from more of the the conifers and the silver culture side of things. But there's a number of cases from other disciplines where you start to, you know, you reintroduce wolves or you reintroduce a keystone species. One of the keystone species comes to the site because there is habitat, aka there's food.  How do we reduce that predation. How do we put those trees to come back provide that habitat and create more food for in the form of cones and seed. And so that's something that you start to see some of those first species come back that attracts the other species and then that's how you really rebuild over time. And that is something that we see as our, our key function which is how do we restore for us, each and every year faster, so that those, so that animals have that habit that and then we put it under a carbon credit easement. It's burned ground, we reestablish those trees that land now has a legal conservation status. And that is habitat for animals, and if we do it right we do it with political polyculture. We talked to those managers we convinced them hey this is the right way to resist her. This is the right way to be able to establish that is something that's very, you know, impactful for attracting additional species is that polyculture out in the environment. Grant, I'm so glad we ran into each other.  It's so important to talk to you appreciate you admire you for what you're doing. We will we will follow you, because we know you know you're you're going places not only in terms of the business aspect but in terms of dealing with climate change you're an important factor. I'm so delighted you were here today. Thank you so much Grant Canary, CEO of Drone Seed.