Hello and welcome to the Cinema Sins, Cinema Wins, Cinema Fap. Fapping all about Dr. Strange, Multivus Mandus. Oh, beautiful. Very true. Here we are. How exciting. It was a close fight. You know, people thought that anyone could win it and then it ended just neck and neck. 100%. It was a real nail biter. Who would have thought it would have ended that way? Oh, it did. That's part one of a potential trilogy of discovering what will happen on the fight between them both because, you know, they just work so well when pitted against each other. Just got to find the right movies. I'm going to check out some messages that we've sent. Yeah. Here and there. All right. So the first one is, hey guys, you're going to talk about the best video game ever made. Well, we definitely will. 100%. Well, we did. Gollum. But that was, you know, a lot of people don't like Gollum, surprisingly. That strikes me as odd. I think it's a little, a little bit unfair, a little suspicious. I'm not sure why they would not like Gollum. Yeah. Please watch Guerrilla Grodd versus Barack Obama. Grodd says make America Grodd again. What does that mean? What's America being? When was America Grodd? I don't know. I was at some proper Grodd posting, though. Inspection on that claim. But all right. What are you doing this right after Disney is trying to fix the damage Waldron did to the Multiverse? Check out the new Spider-Man movie out now. Because they ignored the reference, the label being wrong. They called it the correct one. Is that what we mean?  I asked my mother on Mother's Day to watch Arcane. She's loving the series so far and just got finished up watching episode three, best episode of the show. That's a fair thing to say. Glad to hear she's enjoying it. Very glad. Good. To present, oh to all, present during this reading. If you were trapped in a room for an hour and was forced to play the platforming of Atomic Heart or Lord of Ring Gollum, which would you play? Truly Atomic Heart, right? But it is the implication that you play Gollum or you play Atomic Heart's platforming for as long as it would have taken to complete Gollum? I don't know. I have no idea. That case. Thanks for the information. I don't know. Because I don't know exactly what that looks like. Atomic Heart's platforming is goopy, but if you kept getting new puzzles to solve and stuff and new platforms to jump, like I could see that being more entertaining than Gollum. So I think I need more contacts, but depending on the result, it could be either of them. Because I'm assuming it would be like Portal, you just keep completing until you time's up. I'd probably go with Atomic Heart. Why are you talking about MOM when Gollum Spider is out? True. Gollum is almost out. You got your Gollum Fap. It came. And I'll say that meme's been sticking around for a while. Gollum Spider? No. Such and such is almost out. Why are you talking about X, Y is almost out? It is. That's an old one too. That's kind of, yeah. That's a bit of an oldie. A golden oldie. You never know what you guys will find to be the ones to stay. As just finished his Gollum playthrough, that game, why does it exist? Well, you know, it could be all kinds of evious things happening behind the scenes. For all you Gollum lovers out there. Hello, Mingla, Froggy, Untrag. Hello. Untrang, it says, but... Ooh, Rang. What do you think is the main cause of the MCU's rapid decline in quality? People not caring about the writing and terrible production schedules. I guess like chaos, yeah. Rushing everything is probably really at the core of it all. But yeah, of course we would say it's the awful, awful writing. But if someone was to say, but why is it awful, awful writing? Well, we have a whole podcast devoted to that. We've seen a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, and it just seems like a lot of it now has got a formula that is horrific for creating stories. A lot of the movies created before the story is. Yeah, that's what I would say. I'd put a lot of the blame on the production, the way that they make films. I don't see how you could consistently tell good stories while making films that way. I just, I don't, I don't see how you can do it reliably. Yep. You guys should do an EFAT movies on the Brothers Bloom. It's Ryan Johnson's least known, but arguably most incoherent film. For real? You sure? Really? Feel like the most incoherent is probably going to go... Rupert is pretty crazy. Yeah, Glossot did his nuts. As just finished Gollum and I was there for the plane crash, what an absolutely trash game. Overall, it was impressive how bad the game was just insane. The graphics alone were slightly above NES. It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. He survived, which is the important part. I think Spider-Man smashed all those crackers when he tried to delivering those pizzas. Ah, reference. May fly over people's heads, but yeah, probably. That reference would fly over people's heads, you reckon? For sure. It was so quick and so many EFAT fans, you know? They'd be like crackers and Spider-Man? I don't know. Is that something to do with the new movie? They'd be like, no. Yeah, but then you say, look, just think about pizza time, okay? And then maybe that or... The crackers on the top pizza probably got a bit crushed, but that's okay. Mm-hmm. Hi, Rags, Moeller and Fringy. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hey. Fringy, how often do you play Knifey Spoony? Uh, I haven't played it for a while, actually. Yeah. So I'm a bit out of the loop on my current happenings with the old Knifey Spoony. I haven't got the new DLC. No, I don't. Hello, Rags. Don't let the big midgets win. Never. You can never let the big midgets win. They're bullies. Celebrate the... Oh, that's neat. That was their first Super Shadow Knife Spoony one, apparently. Oh, wow. Hey, thanks very much to you. Yeah, I randomly decided to try Trust... Sorry to... Just to try... to trust, try and watch TLJ. Okay. Got 40 minutes in before giving up.  Also, High Meme. He would have said High Back. And yeah, well... I wonder what happens at around the 40-minute mark that got him. Is that Leia getting booed out? Bail. Is it Leia or is it something that Luke says? Or like, I wonder what it... I wonder what it was. I would kind of be curious to know what the tipping point for him was. Maybe the 40-minute mark is Luke saying I just want to die. That could be it. Maybe, yeah. Season 4 is a mixed bag, but some of my favorite scenes are in there. Some of the characters flump a bit, but I like how oddly anticlimactic the whole thing is. Are we talking about succession, yeah? I think so. There's some good scenes in it. I'm happy to say, yeah. Though, some of the characters flump a bit is an understatement. It's another statement. Everyone becomes a strange, bizarre, alien, shape-shifter, skin-walker of what he previously... One of the things I forgot to mention when we were talking about it, so we can sort of do it here, is Roman going to check out the movie, or the news side of things, movie side of things, whatever, but the person in charge who's been in charge, like, reliably, he says, our work is getting a little too biased in one direction, and that's not good. Makes us look bad. We need to work on that. And then Roman fires her. Yep. That's right before he fires Jerry. Well, so I was going to say, he like is joking, quote-unquote, but he just fires her and leaves the room. He's obviously like, she takes it seriously.  Why did you fire her?    She's planning, she's talking to people and she's planning everything. It's like, yep.  And then I said, when we were watching it, as a joke, that the show's gotten so bad that Roman might just fire Jerry. Like, who knows?  This was one of the big indicators that this was the beginning of the end of the show. Yeah, we knew the show was dead. We were already going, but boy, that point we were just like, like the show makes me angry. The show like legitimately makes me upset because I'm wondering what the hell happened to all these people. You cared about those characters.  And like I said, this is a, anyone who hasn't seen the show can understand. You have someone who's in charge of a huge sector. They tell you something very reasonable. They haven't even suggested necessarily anything in any direction. They're just trying to tell you what the problem is. But even if, right, they're the person you want to go to. They're the ones that would probably know because they're the head of it. And then you fire them for it. It's like, okay.   This person, by the way, has been working for them for decades. And has been the most reliable. And she's personally helped Roman more than anyone. Yeah, they had a particular connection that really could have amounted to something interesting. Jerry was a very valuable asset to that company. And she seemed to be really very much on the straight narrow in terms of being, you know, pro, you know, Roy Coa Waystar as an entity. Very much a savvy businesswoman.  Is it like the penultimate episode we find out that she's suing him for like a hundred thousand? Or she wants a hundred million, I think it is? Basically, she wanted to hope. Yeah, they were at the bar at the party.    And we never see the end of that because the show ends before it. Well, you see, it's one of the many plot threads that was really interesting and set up that the just got dropped. Yeah, because we could actually buy that he did do send those pictures. But we did not buy that he would have fired it. Never would have bought that. Oh, yeah. You know, just another example of a character doing insane things, plot, insane plots happening. And then we have all this drama and then it doesn't go anywhere. It's like, okay. Look, it's going some way, but then it doesn't have time to go anywhere else. So a while back, you guys were debating about games with good combat. I believe during a Telosvus 2 episode, I don't think I've heard you guys talk about the Arkham series. I think that has the best combat. Well, like in general, no video games, because I disagree. There's no way, right? No, I would even go as far as they have like a middle point. The Arkham games sit in the middle. It's kind of like, I remember it's kind of in that like Assassin's Creed 2 slash Revelations kind of combat where it's fine and engaging. But I think that there's so many options to flesh it out. Well, it just doesn't have the mechanical depth of a lot of other action games. It's really accessible. I remember in Assassin's Creed 2, I don't know if this was in later games. Maybe it was. It's been years and years since I've played these games. One of the things that was neat is that in Assassin's Creed 2 at least, if you had your hidden blades as weapons and you were in a fight with them, it was a really high-risk, high-reward weapon where you basically couldn't block anything that the enemy did unless you did like a, it had a very small window to counter the enemy attacks. It was much more difficult, but if you managed to do it, it was an instant kill, even against like the big heavy armor guys. So if you were really good at timing, you could use the hidden blade and get an insta-kill on the big enemies. Though, of course, if your timing was off, you'd take a lot of damage from their attacks because you couldn't like parry like the sword or knife or anything like that. And it was really neat to sort of see these weapon differences. And there was a neat style to them, but that kind of combat, I guess, type, there's a lot of stuff that you can do to kind of work within that framework and I think games just need to do it. Please add more complexity. It can go a long way. Yeah. Hi, EFAP. Hi, Rags. Hey. Hello. Thanks for the awesome content, especially while my doggo is not doing so great. By the way, would you ever consider doing an EFAP movies on tremors? It's not, if not, that's fine, but I think that could be fun. Thanks again. Yeah, I think that could work because tremors is a film with plenty to sort of talk about and react to while being pretty awesome. So I'd be humble about it. I would, I need to see it. I've, I think I saw it many, many, many, many years ago, but I remember virtually nothing about it. So I need to see that movie. And hopefully your dog's health improves. Yeah, absolutely.  I don't remember that. That's weird. I remember us coming to this video, but I really don't remember a rant about mental illness, but be fair. There's a lot of stuff we probably don't remember. We're just doing a lot of EFAP and no time. Hello, all my golem words off. I hate to have to tell you this, but J won the argument. Kick J. Madness. Madness. I really enjoyed your EFAP movies for Mulan and 101 Dalmatians. Have you considered doing one for the little Mermaid slash future Disney remakes? We have indeed. That has been considered. Yes, there's a good chance eventually we will set up to do the lot. The fact in a lot of them going. I guess we'd have to draw a line. I don't know the remix. So the start with the starby Cinderella. What would it be? Uh, yeah. Cinderella is probably because it was Alice in Wonderland, one that Tim Burton did, but that feels like it's not the same as the Cinderella line or Maleficent maybe. That was kind of like, because it's Cruella, right? So probably Maleficent is like the beginning of that. And I guess the question is, do we include like the Pinocchio one that got released on Disney Plus or Lady and the Tramp? Yeah, definitely. Those two are going. That's going to be like 15 movies then. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah, we better get started. SCP of the day is SCP-4255, Time Traveling Santa Claus. SCP-4255, let's see. Is it rated? It's rated so-so. Any parents? It's a, okay. All right. What does he do? I'd have to read the big old article and get back to you on that. They don't have like a powers or anything? It's a humanoid male with aged appearance, approximately that's done. It appears to be 60, 70s. Santa Claus. It looks like Santa Claus. Along with the red and gold ornate sleigh that this character is known to be present in, designated that it is capable of flight via unknown means and is able to travel at speeds of approximately 100 kilometers an hour with Santa Claus remaining inside the sled during flight, even when scientifically impossible. It is drawn by eight servid animals resembling Rengifor Tyrandus, I assume a reindeer. Although infrared scans show that these do not possess any heat signatures, it's unknown if they're living organisms. It's just Santa. Yeah, I guess this is just like the joke is that it's Santa. That's kind of funny. Well, it will land on the roof or near a household of individuals that celebrate the holiday Christmas regardless of religious background and will use its temporal abilities to enter the household. It will produce a multitude of wrapped gifts and toys, the number of gifts given, varying from child to child. It is also of note that SCP-4255 has a significant understanding of the likes and dislikes of each child on Earth, with presents given having an 82.56% accuracy rate compared to what the child would like to have received for a gift of time. All gifts have been non-anomalous. Okay. I'm sure there's all sorts of neat things. It goes on for a bit.  Every found Santa Claus and scientifically investigated Santa Claus, how would the SCP Foundation deal with that and classify it? It's fun. Hello, gents. What's your guys' opinion on the game Valheim? It's kind of like Ark, but I think the structural integrity aspect is super neat, high rags. Um, hey, I played it a bit. It's fine. Maybe I just didn't get quite into it, but it seems all right. I have no familiarity with Ark's. It's called Ark Survival Evolved, and oh wait, Valheim either. So yeah, I can't help on either of those. Yeah, I don't really know what those games are about. I've heard of them, but really not familiar with what types of games they are. Shocking, isn't it? Between these two sparky blokes, who do you prefer the design-wise? We've got Bright Man and Plug Man. I'll do Plug Man. Let me get that. Plug Man? Oh my goodness. You getting the correct result? Yes, I'm getting the correct result of Plug Man. What do you mean? You know, because this is just Google Rank, and you can have so many different results. I suppose so. Yeah, I think that I got the correct one though. So I got Bright Man. But you do Bright Man, and I'll post Plug Man. I got him. Yeah, we are. There is Bright Man. And this is Plug Man. I think Plug Man's the easy winner for me. I think so too. That's just funny. He's pretty funny. Yeah, that's pretty much why. Yeah, that's pretty much it. I mean, he's more pluggy than Bright. Brighty is, I guess. He's very pluggy. The Bright Man is just like a red guy. And then I guess there's also a light up top. I guess that's a light bulb. Yeah. I feel like we could have done more with that concept. Pluggy's, I think, leaning a little bit further into the plug kind of idea. I think it's the plug shoulder. Yeah, it's so funny. That's what coin she's at for him, you know? I even tried to imagine how he could use that. It's like it's probably not for using. It's just the aesthetic. If he used it, it would like crush his head. The important thing is he's feeling confident. Yeah, he sounds like he's having a good time. Good one. Do... Ew, Star Wars character, Blando Cumrissian. I'm just an average guy and I sure do like Cum. I guess he, yeah, he's Blando. Understandable. Not a fan favorite, but definitely one that's tolerated. It's like, good old Blando.  They really love, they love Cumrissian, Blando. In Tears of the Kingdom, whenever Yonobo yells, I can do it. It sounds more like he's saying, why'd you do it? Bring, can you confirm? Why, what character? Yonobo. Yonobo, Yonobo? Oh, yeah. So, I, yeah, I can't confirm more than I, I can't remember what that sound bite sounds like. Oh, well. Well, we'll trust you, Superchanda. You guys have no idea the amount of bizarre stuff that the real life Bill Gates has done that nobody remembers. Frozen blood is nothing. It's not, no, Blood Bricks is not something that I can't imagine a character doing.  It's worth emphasizing in the show is that a lot of the conversations are about leverage. It's about characters essentially finding opportunities to one up other people to advance their position. He just surrenders leverage. And he just surrenders it. He surrenders it to Shiv Roy. That is one of the worst people you can give that to when we've got so much going on right now. Just so happens to work out because they decide to work together essentially. Yeah, which creates the finale's big decision. It all originates in Shiv just being like, hey, hey, Lucas.  The blood brick thing is insane, but that's not the actual crux of our criticism. Just step on the journey. Yeah, it's just it's a piece of information that gets you there. Yeah, it's a plot thing that's sort of it's just like manifest itself so that we can have a weird thing happen. I think we talked about it, but was one of the biggest problems with season four is that whereas in like season one or two, you would have plot threads that were established episodes ahead of when they would get paid off. And even then they could keep continuing. Season four just sort of they just appear suddenly out of nowhere and create the drama for that episode. Very much a sense of this is happening now. It's like, oh, and then that happens. And then that happens rather than.  Right. Okay. Yeah. That's why they're giving us this now.  It's not as good storytelling. It's just staying not even close. I don't like the current card games. Do you know any good smaller scale FPS games that can fill in for them? Also, high rags. Nice handle video. Hello. Oh, thanks. Glad you liked it. Fill in for Call of Duty. Battlefield is still around. Medal of Honor. Battlefield is good. I recommend Battlefield one in five. I think the smaller means not like big AAA sort of. Yeah, I guess so.  Google might be a friend on that one. Look at lists. Yeah. Some PC shooters that might be might be interested in. There's no small scale Call of Duty like games that I play or am really familiar with. I am certain that they are out there. Yeah. But I just don't know what they are. Mueller, are you going to play the System Shock remake? I think it's right up your alley as a game. I would very much like to. One of these days soon enough, I will decide what today is the day. Those seem like a really neat game. I've been meaning to play System Shock forever, but the originals were always... I never actually tried them, but I was always a little bit spooked by the fact that they were of an age. You know, they're a bit old. I will tell you, if you went back and you played System Shock, it is definitely of an age. It definitely has a lot of age to it. I've been hearing very good things about the remakes. It's like, ooh, this could be my trench. It is kind of an interesting thing with a lot of older PC shooters, because it's the same with something like Deus Ex. It's like, yeah, these controls, there are... Yeah, you got to learn them again. It's so interesting because... I have a friend who is my favorite game of all time, I think was System Shock 2. And I'm not making any claim about how clunky that game is or isn't. It's just that they like me with arguably something maybe like Metroid or Resident Evil 4. It doesn't bother me at all, the controls, but there are people in future who'll be like, I can't play this.  It's like, oh, maybe. I guess the thing is that the promise of a really amazing experience will be enough to get people over that. It's just that when you know a game's quirks and in the controls, it no longer is a problem, but you have to get over that hump sort of thing. Get into that. Yeah, it's kind of an interesting thought because the controls really need to feel seamless. You don't want players to be consciously thinking about controls. You want to get to a point where it's just like... Well, there was a time where it wouldn't... Like, you know, it's your only game for the week or something that you have access to. So you're like, well, I'm figuring out these controls one way or another. Greetings from episode 50. Consider this a donation for what your crew does here. The Moore family sends their regards. Oh, thank you very much. Thanks, Moore family. That's gone way back. Yeah. Our first anniversary episode. And we're 10 episodes away from the next one. Yeah, boy. Yeah, it's insane. I watched Angel and man, I'm going to change this to character and character have the most tragic story I've ever seen. I'm not excited for the Buffy Verse coverage 10 years from now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, character and character, because I know who you're talking about. Yes. Yeah, you probably do. I think if you were to guess which two, you'd probably get it right. I, yeah, I know. Yeah, but we can't talk about that with the dog over here. But one day, not only will we talk about it, he will too. I've not seen the Buffy stuff. So one day, I'm certain. I am certain one day. I imagine you're rather curious about it at this point. Little things. I am pretty curious. Yeah, all the little stuff that's been said. I don't know anything about it or who anyone is, but. Similar feelings for the end of succession. I like the funeral episode with most, with its character moments. Brian Cox was right. His exit was too early. Oh, yeah. That's one of the things. We wanted to do a hot take as well, because something that we'd heard prior to watching the show was that that episode was equivalent to Ozzy Mandus. Episode three. In terms of quality. Yeah. Yeah, which is not. No, and we didn't feel that way. It was just like, yes, it's good, I guess. Though I don't know if I'd feel that way in retrospect. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it if I re-watched it. But someone in the Discord said, like, I would have thought you'd like it as much as that one episode for Buffy. And I was like, are you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. There are definitely elements of that episode that I think are really strong. Mainly in the performances. Definitely in the performances. But I mean, it's worth, really, it's the writing that we're supposed to take an issue with it. Everybody else, because the performances throughout the show are like consistently strong. But yeah, in retrospect, it's like, damn, man, it did close the door on a lot of possibilities for narrative payoffs to which the countering would be like, well, yeah, but I mean, that's what makes it so powerful is because it was so affected. If we were in charge of the show and we were right in season four and we knew that Logan was going to die, I would be like, okay, which thing are we going to do? We can always do a thing. Are we going to have it so he's recorded several tapes? Are we going to have it so that he appears to Kendall as an influence that is in the room but is not actually there? Like it's in Kendall's head. He's thinking about what his dad would say. Are we going to have like flashbacks or are we going to have like a history episode? Yeah, like we are not losing Brian Cox yet just because Logan's dead does not mean we're losing. No, I think I want to give one last. I think I would have really liked a flashback episode like Equivalent to Two Storms, something like that. You know, like a big sort of maybe even yeah, intercutting between past and present. That show really had the perfect chance for that intro. It's just like, let's see an episode in that world. Well, I guess what people would say is, well, that's the thing. It's just you're left to speculate on that. That's in the past. That's not moving. There's plenty. There will be plenty to speculate on even with an episode. We just see a slice. Yeah, exactly. But yeah. Lord Longbong of Millington Abbey is a really good chance of a confeb of Peter Jackson's long conge when there's less going on. It'd be a movie fab for the ages. Yeah. So well, wags, these scritches for the good boy. Oh, hey, thanks. I find it amusing that that couldn't make it into the Gollum Fab because it would have just been such an absurdly different time that the Longkong man was probably asleep.  But yeah, you know, Longkong, why not? At some point, I think. When there's less going on, maybe. Yeah, when there's less going on, yeah. Did you guys see the Alone in the Dark spotlight? Between that, the fall of House of Usher and the Five Nights at Freddy's movie, October, shake me up to be pretty sweet. October is great every year. It always is.  As I understand it, I believe that Alone in the Dark game is being written by the guy who wrote Soma. Yes. Yeah. It's also got David Harbaugh in a hopper who's in that game. And Fall of House of Usher is on the way this year, which we will watch the day it's out more than likely. Yeah. Yeah, probably. And the Five Nights at Freddy's movie. Yeah. I mean, memes. Why not? That could be good memes, I'm sure. We have to watch the Nicholas Cage movie too. The Nicholas Cage. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. We could watch those back-to-back, maybe. Ooh. Party. Did you guys ever record an EFAP TV on Blind Manor? If so, will it ever release? Or will there be different coverage? Also, play Little Nightmares, high-rag. We did record it, as famously I've said before, though, about with every episode that passes, we're speculating and talking about each one as we finish them. But as soon as we hit, I want to say episode four, maybe five, we stop talking and keep hitting play. We just want to see more and we're all very into it. It's kind of an interesting thing with the format is that's what happens when you get really grabbed by a story. Yeah, which is why we might have to re-record someday if we want to do some kind of coverage for Blind Manor. That might be beneficial anyway because of the... We know it's kind of up and we can sort of see the construction and outline it a little bit better. Yeah, a shilling for sins and a shilling for wins. Well, thank you. Star Wars pitch, Han Solo has to go on a journey into pirate space to help locate Luke Skywalker who has lost on an important escort mission between episodes four and five. Hmm, I mean... I mean, that's an idea. Sure, you can really make up anything you want. I just... I'm sure you'll understand when I say, maybe maybe we leave Star Wars alone.  Only thing is Luke Skywalker is taking, talking with the ghost of Obi-Wan without seeing him and meets a surviving Jedi who is being hunted by Inquisitors. I don't want to do surviving Jedi In Inquisitors or really Obi-Wan or really Luke Skywalker, but none of that actually. The character... I don't want to do any of that. The character Ray Stevenson plays at the new Ahsoka show is apparently a Jedi that survived Order 66.  That's the memes now. It's like, they couldn't have. It's made up. They're gonna have more Jedi than they're even we're. Maybe there's more Jedi spawned during Order 66. Bringleton, have you seen YOLO recommended? I don't know what that is. Is that like a movie? I guess so. I don't know. No, I haven't. Yeah, I don't know what it is. Hey, Vringy. Your work on the Mando series was outstanding. Any chance you could read some Jar Jar lines and your best Jar Jar voice? Have a great day. That's a pretty good... That's an interesting super chat. Yeah. Yeah, well, thanks. I appreciate it. You would have, there's a... That was a different recording. There's a different job. Yeah, I was trying to figure out what way to... Yeah, we did that in another catch up. Sorry. Oh, that's okay, though. But what about this catch up? This was a different... This is a different super chat. That's true. Let's find another classic line from Jar Jar. Yeah, there you go. Look, you got it. Let's get a classic Jar Jar... Well, I mean, I was talking first, so... You know? Yeah, it's true. Let's see. Oh, here. Here, let's go with this one. This is a classic Jar Jar line. Oh, I remember that one. That's great. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a really good one. You really get a sense of the character, I'd say. Absolutely. As if I didn't know Jar Jar before. Uh... I don't know. Misa day started pretty oki day with a brisky morning machi then boom! Getting very scared and grabbing that Jedi in pow. Misa here. Misa getting very, very scared. You have to do that. Yeah, and see, it's great because it really gave a sense to Obi-Wan Qui-Gon, what they were dealing with, the local life, how it was affected by the invasion, and now we have it personified, like Naboo's conflict personified in a character. I think it's brilliant. It's pretty brilliant, isn't it? Yeah. Especially the oki day instead of okay? Oki day. That's really clever. I just... What was I thinking really, you know? Well, he's a funnier character than they had before. That's what George Lucas said. Oh, yeah. I mean... ...vicked out. Any chance you guys... Oh wait, that's what we just did. Howdy fellas showed my girlfriend Seven the other day, and she loved it. One of those movies where everything just fits together, also high raggles. Hello. Seven is good. What's in the box?  We'd love to see you guys break down RE2 Remake and the OG RE2. Define what a remake is versus a reimagining. I always felt RE2 was not remade since mechanics changed and perspective changed. It's kind of fair. It's really about how you define all of that, I suppose. Because if someone, let's say, was to remake Call of Duty 2 and give you Call of Duty Modern Warfare, you'd be like, well, that's just a completely different game. If they were to remake Call of Duty 2, but with modern gameplay, but they had really faithful adaptations of the levels and things like that, I think that would be interesting. I'd certainly be interested in that. That's kind of what I'm saying. When does it become not a remake and just a different game?  They're very different. Cinema Sins may be awful, but I discovered more or less TLJ Unbridled Rage in the Recommended section while watching one of their videos. So at least they were good for something. Thanks for the log. Hey, nice. Well, well. Long time ago. Thank you, Cinema Sins. Damn, I'm late. Double speed activate. Also, high rage and mootle. Hey. Yes, you're rage now. I am rage. I am rage. Thoughts on Spiderverse. A new one. I see them. What are the, what are the official opinions on for EFAP of the Star Wars, or the Spiderverse? Star Wars, Attack of the New Spiderverse. Attack of the Spiders. I didn't think it was as good as the first one. I'm not a fan of their multiversal. I say multiversal mechanics. What I'm strictly referring to isn't even necessarily how the multiverse works, because you don't get a lot on that, or how it came to be that way. More so how every character reacts to it, and what they have to say and do about it. I like Miles, and I'm interested in the journey. I know people are upset about the cliffhanger. I was more than expected. Yeah, hugely. The Shad hates the movie for that cliffhanger. Really? That's strange. I knew it had a cliffhanger, but I'm really curious if I would have reacted badly at all if I didn't know it had a cliffhanger. I don't know. I would just be like, oh, we're doing a, because I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say. I've seen people say... What do you mean by that? It's like incredible. I've seen people say that the equivalent of the cliffhanger in this Spiderverse is the same as if Infinity War ended when Thanos arrived in Wakanda. Do you remember that? I just don't see them as comparable. I'm trying to think of how I would even take that. Like, if he arrives and then, you know, we have like a score rising, rising. All the characters realize he's there. Cap prepares his shields. Everyone's like, ready? And then he looks at them, and then we hit credits. Like, I'm not... What I'm trying to say is, I don't know that that wouldn't work. Yeah, it's just, I don't know. I'm okay with like the story spanning multiple films. And then I just go watch the next one. That's a two-hour movie. It was quite... Yeah, there was lots of stuff in it. Well, yeah, it was a pretty long movie, especially for like a 3D animated film. Not many of them are over two hours long. And then on top of that, I don't think that is comparable. I don't think that what we saw in Spiderverse is the equivalent of Thanos arriving in Wakanda at the end of the fight, looking to see all the heroes, right? It's... We've settled a little bit. Little bit, right? We've got... How long is it? Like a day before the big thing is going to happen in Spiderverse? Like a day of time? Ah, it seems like it. Yeah, so... And then he gets in a position and a reveal happens. And to be honest with you, that's just with how I've seen Cliffhanger's role. That's a very common way to do a Cliffhanger. That seems like a... Oh, yeah. I don't know. That didn't really affect my enjoyment. But understanding how everything works kind of did, I think I like Miguel O'Hara. What's he from? Is he original for that or is he from someone else? No, he's... I think he's a variation of Spider-Man, an existing variation. Okay. Yeah. And yeah, of course, the voice acting, the animation, the editing, the soundtrack. It's all stellar. They did an excellent job. So I'm not exactly sure where I settle on it yet, but those... Because I have actually seen it recently. So those are my thoughts as they currently stand. That sounds like something you could do for an April Fool's joke, Mewbsley. This part is boring. Skip when something important comes up. Oh, yeah. That happened in... Was it Sins' video? He said skip. I think so? It was when people were talking about something important. Even we were like, whoa. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I was pretty early on. He skipped the conversation between Dr. Strange and Christine. Why didn't the writers just make Captain Marvel kill the Illuminati and then herself? She has the canonical power to do it. Why not make Scarlet Witch in the weakened form causing already an unlikable character to go haywire? Oh, like with mind control? Um, I don't even... Like if you told me I have to make it so that Scarlet Witch kills all of the Illuminati, I'd be like, oof. You're gonna have to do a lot of work. Guys, are you sure you want to do this, guys? And just justifying it's gonna be real tough. And justifying it and making it in such a way that the audience will find engaging is gonna be hard. I see people memeing about the... The image is always either Reed Richards getting torn into spaghetti or Black Bolt's head exploding. And it'll just be that picture and it'll just feel like seriously, this scene was horrible or seriously, I can't believe they did this. That sort of thing. That's the legacy, I guess, for now. Hyenas make a sort of mooing sound when happy. Yeah, misconception about hyenas. When they're laughing, they're not happy.  They're kind of nervous. Yeah, a little nervous. Hyenas in general are pretty misunderstood animals. Thanks, Lion King. Yeah. Yeah, Lion King's partially blind for that, I'd say. It's... Hyena's actually pretty intelligent. They're very social critters. Yeah. Local don't even realize lions aren't even real. They made up for that movie. That's true. Well, well, they did the real ones. I don't know about that, but you know. Idea plus two should only be for a combination of both good character points and plot points, suggesting alternatives probably just stay in the realm of plus one. Well, the plus two... Well, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, the plus two that I was trying to give was that he makes an argument and then searches out maybe an not really relatively understood counter and counters that to ahead of knowing. Like, I was like, that's a thoughtful thing to do. That feels like more than a plus one. Above and beyond, sort of, uh, looks the idea about... Oh, pardon me. The idea behind a plus two. Moorla History Pop Quiz. Particularly if the alternative involves those, you know, a good character-related sort of stuff. This is actually kind of funny. Moorla History Pop Quiz. Rags and Fringy. What is Moorla's first law of YouTube? I have no idea. First law of YouTube. I think I referenced it a couple of times after I quote-unquote made it, and then I just sort of stopped referencing it. But as far as I remember, it's in the DS2 videos and I highlight that it's basically... You can always rely on a bad video to disprove its own point with the visuals at the time of them making the point. Like, it's just, it's some kind of... We saw that happen in EFAP so many times where someone would be like, this thing is this. And it's like, your visual is literally the opposite. Why are you doing this? I slightly disagree about the darkhold dreamwalking thing being super convenient.  Yeah, but the way that it gives you dreamwalking is so insanely... Like we were talking about, it's so insanely specific it literally only applies to if you have to get America Chavez. Pretty much, yeah. It doesn't apply to any other... I'm not proud of a multibus. Like, people, at least as far as the film is established, only she can. So like, the nature of the ability in and of itself is kind of like, yeah, like how often is that going to be something that you're going to need to use unless you want to steal a multibus powers? Just finished Mola's Gollum playthrough. Wow, what a terrible game. Looking forward to the Smeagol playthrough next week. Remember, lock balls. Well, you're in luck because Metal did a Smeagol playthrough. And it's, it's... Oh, the game just changes completely. They don't just play the same cutscenes. No, sir.  That's a right prop. Good job, developers. The best example, I think, is the... You get a chance to either strangle or not a lady. And then I chose to do it. He gives up. And then if you choose not to, he just doesn't do it. And then later on in the game, she says she hates you because you strangled her, even if you didn't. A good game. All right. It's like a... That sounds pretty good. Does that remind you of Resident Evil 7 rags? Yes, it does remind me of Resident Evil 7. A lot of people.  Wouldn't even know what I'm talking about. But yes, there's a choice you can make in that game that is... They play the same cutscene pretty much no matter what. So, it's kind of annoying, even though it's a build. It's quite a... Or presented. It's quite a significant thing to do. But yeah, it's fine. Resident Evil 8 was more finished than Resident Evil 7. So, there's that. It was better than... Yeah, I'd rather play Resident Evil 8 again than play Resident Evil 7 again. First hour of Resident Evil 7 was all right. Yeah, that's the thing. The first hour of Resident Evil 7 is... It was good. And then the proper combat and everything starts, and it's just like super... It's boring, dull. White dot on enemy head. Click X times. Move to... It's really just the... I mean, Resident Evil 8 had that problem, but I feel like in 7 it was even more mediocre. Yeah. Just finished... Oh wait, after watching you play Gollum, now I understand. Screw the Elves, Orcs, Gandalf, and Sauron, Slice and Dice. Gollum truly won the argument. Best game, 10 out of 1. 10 out of 1. That is pretty incredible. Not bad. Gollum can live up to that kind of an accolade, though, being a 10 out of 1. Yeah. Maybe the only 10 out of 1 of all time. I agree. If you are extra quantum mapping the universe by the energy signal, which would probably designate them as diverging from the center point, meaning that you would consider your own universe 1. Yeah, there's no reason to not consider your own universe number 1, because you'd want to think that, oh, like even though technically there is no baseline, we're going to call ours the baseline because we're there. It's us. It's just for sheer simplicity on the matter. I saw Hbombe guy's video on Deus Ex Revolution.  Did he not play Last of Us 2? Also thoughts on Deus Ex games? He said it sucked? Apparently. Oh, I definitely disagree with that. And it definitely isn't a movie game. That is very gameplay heavy. That is super gameplay heavy. We actually, was it the previous stream we talked about Deus Ex or was it this one? Or recording? It was definitely, definitely, definitely. That's useful. Well, there's things, positive things were said about the franchise, I believe. I'm not familiar with it though. I haven't seen the video. No, about Deus Ex. Oh, yeah, I mean it's super influential. Okay, that's the best we got for now. You guys got to cover across the spider-verse. Not until the third quote and quote one is out. It's the full story is there. We might give it a coverage then. Maybe, maybe. But for now, probably not. Got my finals next week. Wish me luck. Oh, good luck. You know, hopefully you won't even need luck. Yeah. EFAP on my birthday. A wonderful gift indeed. Thank you for the last few years of good rat and helping my articulate. Sorry, helping me articulate my words to others as to why these movies are garbage. Also, hi Rags. Hello. Happy to hear. Happy to help. Good stuff. Hope you continue to enjoy. The Golem EFAP would have been after this, so I'm sure you would have enjoyed that. Who wouldn't?  Rags, one time you said, offense is taken, not given. I've taken that quote to heart and it's helped me mature in a lot of situations. I'm not perfect, but I'm better than I once was. Thank you for all that you do, good boy. Oh, you're welcome very much. Yeah.  You know, give yourself a lot of, give yourself more credit, you know, when it comes to a lot of stuff. Lord Longbong of Mewslington Abbey. Is there any good chance of an EFAP gaming of Bethesda's dishonored? When there's less going on, there'd be an EFAP gaming for the ages. It wouldn't be an EFAP gaming, so I can't play that with anybody, right? It would just be a stream, I guess. Single player game, yeah. But I thought about it, yeah. A lot of people like dishonored. It could happen. PS, hi rags. I'm out of Carrick. I think he was going to say out of characters. Oh my gosh. Maybe he's out of Carrots? Carrots, that's it. He hasn't got Carrots. Morlem won the argument. Sure did. I made sure Gollum won every argument. Also good news. He's faxing logic. So pushed the other night and it was great. Oh, for the first time? Good job. Apparently, yeah. Unfortunately, my parents didn't care for it and my mom even said that she thought it was woke.  Fire your parents.   At that point, it's like, geez, now you're just stifling your ability to consume amazing content. Okay, I sort of get it.  Are they talking about the Sorcerer rules and stuff, I think, with the undead stuff? I'm not even going to get into all of it again. That should get confusing after a while. Like, Dreamwalking, dead bodies, living bodies, Sorcerer's, Slim Vlams. Why hasn't Cinema Wind done beer bad? High rags. Hello. I don't think he does individual episodes of TV, but maybe we can convince him. Cinema Sins on eFap when? That'll never happen. I don't think he does appearances like that. Oh, sweet, crispy critters. Winds is going to flop this. No, he had a fighting chance. He did well, right? Between sins versus winds, we all know Gollum wins through. Hey, Massive, love this format, but next time you all should do it with the 5 out of 10 movie, like the Suicide Squad, or Mummy Returns, where the winds could go either way based on arguments. Also, High Doggy. Oh, hi. Yeah, that's the plan. We're going to vary it up a bit. You need to find something that's middle of the road, but also you need to find one that they've given kind of equal time to. Because some Cinema Sins videos are like four minutes, and winds will do like sometimes two part is that are both 20, so you're going to find a balance. But yes, I agree. A lot of Cinema Winds is just, I like this thing. Ding. Often I'm left confused as to why it should be considered a praise for the film, which is exactly what people said was wrong with Sins. Sins will say, I don't like this. This is bad. Ding. You got to be better, Cinema Winds. They are confusing lads. They are confusing lads. Hello there. This is Gruff. What do y'all do when you're running low on motivation to stream also high rags? Hello. Well, I don't stream, but maybe I will, and I can't really answer the question until then. You can answer it in terms of, maybe you're not motivated to stream EFAP. Oh, I'm, I feel like I'm always motivated to stream, but I really enjoy doing EFAP. It is often the highlight of my, it's often the highlight of my Saturdays. In that case, I'm trying to think of a time where I wasn't as motivated, but then I just did it anyway. I'm usually okay to just do it most of the time, because I kind of, if ever I'm feeling like I'm not in the mood, I usually assure myself that even 10 minutes in, I will be, like it'll sort of self-fulfill, and it usually does. I'd say something similar, because I think it could be applied generally, it seems to me, which is pretty funny when I still cause problems in terms of getting things done, but like, the easiest way to just get over not being motivated is to like start doing the thing that you're not motivated to do, and after a little while, you'll just sort of get into the rhythm of doing it. Yeah, I kind of make a habit of it. If you can just start, like that usually is the thing that helps. So in the case of not feeling like streaming, you just start and then you'll get into it. That's not very helpful advice, I'm sure. Just do it. I think it's not super helpful advice, but that seems to me like really the only thing that helps is, kind of in the same way that you would imagine, you might not be motivated to go to work, but like that doesn't really, you still go to work, right? You still do it. Yeah. Maybe even try to impose some sort of pressures like that. Not the same kind of pressure, if you don't show up to work, you're going to get fired or something, but a lot of writers talk about it, you know, like people don't feel motivated to go to work all the time, but they still do it. You need to treat the thing that you want to do in the same way that you need to do it, even when you don't feel like doing it.  Hopefully it helps. Yeah. Unlike Cinema Sins, I actually feel disdain for this guy, so much so that I want to pay money to let other people know how much I loathe him. Hi, Metal. Wow. Oh, there you go. How about it? I do not like the toxic, I'm happy to say it's toxic positivity. It just doesn't help the conversation about storytelling at all. It just says this is good now. It's as bad as going into something solely with the goal of being negative. Like everybody would look at somebody who goes into something solely intent on being negative and think... Isn't that interesting, right? Yeah, it's probably gonna screw up your ability to do this in a way that's useful. I would picture a lot of people would argue that the thing about positive versus negative is the positive will always have that good chance of inspiring others, while negative is just down in the dumps, sort of blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like you can always flip it.  And then they get discouraged from joining the sort of field they were interested in. So like, well, I mean, I thought that it would take more work to create something good, but it's like, you know, anybody can create anything, and that's just the same. There's nothing here to achieve. How many people have been inspired by like, oh, I think I can do better than that? Well, yeah, and then negative criticism, so to speak, you know, analysis. Many people get inspired by those videos. Of course, and coverage. Like, oh, yeah, wow. I agree with you guys. I think that they could have done this, this, this, this. In fact, that's kind of what I've been doing in my book. And now I kind of want to, I do want to write it so that they, you know, end up here, here, here, and to prove that that's something you can do, you know, that sort of thing. The encouragement should always be like, honest criticism, not deliberately with an objective in mind of skewing one way or the other. It's awesome how mundane these monster fights are that Regina George can get annoyed at interrupting her wedding. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, that's pretty, pretty dull, isn't it? You know, I don't think much of a person who finds a monster, like, scaling the side of a building with people screaming and stuff, boring. I don't think much of that person, but Christine would never think that if she's a trauma surgeon. What's not? No way. Anything about all of the patients she's going to have to save? All the people who are on call, all the disastrous property damage and human life that's sacrifice.  If you suggested a tighten up shot of her face, like, dropping, and maybe even a tear or just something that she looks completely stressed out, I could picture them being like, no, no, this is a fun scene. I'm fun here. This is a fun time. Which would be like, no, honor the characters, even characters that you don't know anything about, like, who isn't much of one. Well, that's the thing, right? You want to be like, what was Christine's profession? And you feel like Michael Walter would be like, uh, she, uh, she was, was it a librarian? That's a big word. Well, I don't know. I mean, he didn't watch WandaVision, right? So like. Yeah. He didn't know Wanda's profession either. What is your profession? Who's that? The Holy Grail. Uh, the Alphime War in Dark Fist is, Dark Fist is like conundrum. Wood breaks in Owens' brain. He can only fathom things based on does this look like a good guy action? Uh, I mean, Alphime broke Synthetic Man. He can understand the simple message of sometimes you don't know who's right. Yeah. He had to see Ukraine in there. All right. Because what else are you going to do? Oh yeah. That's right. Yeah. What, what? Which is funny. Yeah. Because it happened before Ukraine. That the right. Well, the development of this game was, yeah, before any of that had happened. Development for the 2018 game was well before the Ukraine stuff. And it was all in the 2018 game. What a, what a strange person he is. Oh, contraire. Olsen's acting in DS2 is awful. Every line is said without quivering, about to cry baby voice that all women use when they're lying. Nah, you're just wrong. She doesn't deliver every line the same way. That's not true. She does a phenomenal job in most of the time. She does anything as Wanda and they don't deserve it. It's pretty much as easy as that. I'd say like pretty much the majority of the actors in Marvel projects are like really capable. But the actual material is crap. It lets them down. Yeah. Especially that ending where she's just like trying to portray a character. This whole world is falling apart. It's like you're doing a great job. Um, you. Even though that character is incomprehensible. Yeah. Is this nothing? Is cinema wins? So yes, nothing. I can't remember when he says is this nothing. Oh, wait, wait, when we are saying is this nothing, I get it. I get it. No matter how terrible cinema wins video is, it's still not as god-awful as organized chaos worthless video. Screw that guy. Also high ranks. Hello. I assume they're talking about the one he did on my video, which was pretty funny though. You go admit that. Pretty funny. I'm Ray. Ray who? Ray me. Oh, ho, ho, ho. Cinema wins would have liked that. You'll put into the world of Dark Souls one or three. Given all the info we the players get, do you relink the age of fire or not? Why or why not? So I'm probably the person who can ask that question, I assume. Well, from the silence, I'm going to say yes. Definitely. The, do I relink the fire or not? Probably not. It just seems to be putting off the inevitable and it's, I'd rather approach and deal with the age of dark, see what we can do about it. Oh, sorry, it took me a second to realize in Dark Souls the final choice, right? Yeah. Yeah, it seems to me like basically the same thing that relighting the fire, especially what happens to like Dark Souls 3, right?   And it's just like, I think we need to accept that something else is about to happen. The age of dark, exactly. It just seems like delaying the inevitable. Extinct. Yeah, I'd probably say, yeah. Safe, age of dark, seems like, seems like the choice. Extinct animal of the day, the Orne-Mega-Lonix. Orgamena-Lonix? What do you think about this? I like why you're doing that. I don't know where he's at. And he's the Lou, be right back. I like me some extinct animal. Wait, is it extinct, did they say? Yeah. They said that, right? Yeah, extinct. But, well, looks like there's some images of it that are quite new, but... I don't know, maybe they're conceptual, or they relate to some of the animal, but... This is apparently the kind of thing we're dealing with. The herb. Quite a big bit. Oh, there's like a Velocir owl. Yeah. That's really interesting. It's like a Velociraptor owl. I will say that... Or is this, is this like a meme? Or is this a real, is this a meme?   I will say that's kind of funny, but owls with their little legs, I would say as I, yeah, I like the owls. Owls, our current present day. That's why we killed all the onymegalonics. Well, that just looks like a dude. Oh, that other one.  Look, it's like a... Yeah, it looks like... Yeah, it looks like a mix between an owl and a sort of like a... He's got his big, big feet there walking around. Probably good for grabbing stuff, like mices and snakes and... It's me. Things of that nature. And sneaks. Meason, meason, sneaks. I love me some meason sneaks. It's very good, lots of protein. I think sins and wins are the same person without knowing it. Also, watch Patten. Maybe someday. And if only they were the same person. That'd be funny. That'd be hilarious. It comes out this whole time. It was me all along. Here's more money to express how much I disliked this guy. He sounds like the kind of guy whose flashlight would get fed up and would walk out on him. Oh, they said flashlight, not flashlight. Oh, flashlight.  That's... There's many problems there. Just watched Into the Spider-Verse. I highly recommend it. Fair enough. Absolutely. Is this Synthetic Man's second channel? A bloody... No, not sure what have prompted that. It's Minimal Wins. Yeah, you would have thought... There's Minimal Wins and Synthetic Man. I don't see that connection at all. I feel like they're rather far away from each other. Yeah, I'd say they're quite far away. Didn't mention that you use a single time. Plus 10 points to the EFAP for being a long man. Wow. It was a long one, that one. It was a long one. A longy but a goody. Are you all going to do an... Is it across the spider-verse, the new one, right? Yes, that is the new one. They asked if we're going to do an EFAP for that. So new. Well, if we do, it's going to be after beyond the spider-verse. Yes. Because that then can be taken as a totally complete story. Check out the movie Buddy Games, sequels out now. Buddy games. I ain't never heard of that. I've never heard of that before. Me either. Can we do negative one for cringe? Yes, that's a pretty good rule. We didn't do that, though, to be fair. Maybe we'll introduce it sometime later. To both of them, really. Though I guess if both of them have crins, then it neutralizes levels out. Criniest video loses. Also, watch Ted Lasso. Oh, hi, Rags. Hi. I've heard that show is good. But yeah. Well, yeah, I mean... Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think Morbius is better than DS Mom. It is. It probably is, yeah. I doubt it could be worse. DS Mom. Oh, yes. Dr. Strange with this man this year. He actually cried to this movie? He has five more rage dollars. I'm sure people did cry with the wonder stuff, but again, that's one of those ones where it's like, damn man. Like, if the storytelling was amazing, that like, when the writing is that bad, it really just forms a wedge between my ability to connect to a performance. Because it's just like, well, yeah, but like, kind of like the illusion is shattered.  I know that it's a terrible script. I love you in every multiverse. I must assume one where she commits genocide is included.  You know, it's romantic and you don't understand because you're you're written into it too hard. It's cute. I mean, you would think that a writer would want their story to be read into to some extent, right? Yeah, as long as they would want my writing to be... Well, yeah, the implication is that... You know, maybe the character is more than what's space value. The implication is that every time that he hooks up with her in whatever universe, it always goes badly because he screws it up. It's like, oh.  Okay. Okay, that's a good possibility. It's boring. There's an infinite number of doctor strangers with different history and different personalities, an infinite number of Christians with different history and different personalities, and an infinite number of events that could lead them to even meet each other or form a connection with it. That's just, yeah, that film was not ready to actually, meaningfully delve into the multi-bursement. Just watch everything I roll at once. There you go. Just watch that film. I've just been referred to... I've been referring to Falcon as Captain Black Sparrow. Yeah, that's a nice name, I suppose. I just call him Falcon. He's Falcon. He's Falcon. He's the Falcon. He's the Falcon. He's Captain America. No, he's Fyze. And then Falcon, the guy who's going to take over for his Falcon role, we'll just call him Falcon 2. Falcon 2. Falcon 2. Oh, we'll just call him F-Zero R. That'll make it less confusing. Yes. This is my very first super chat. I've been watching EFAP for about four years. A new Master's never disappoints. Keep up the kick-ass content. Also, high rags. Hello. Oh, thanks very much. Glad that we have such a good track record. Yeah.  He ended up with two points. He did. Yeah, he did. Though I really don't feel like he would have... With a generous amount of help. Yeah, if I was honest. But I was... Extremely generous amount of help. He was able to do it. I bet Strange is real jealous of Clear's reality-slicing knife in the post-credits scene. His obsession will return and he'll be the villain in the next film. Dr. Strange 3, The Nivening. Why not?  This is painful to watch. Here's two bucks. Oh, thank you. Thanks. Who is this Ramey person and why is he in all these movies? Well, it's mainly just the MOM one. But he'll be back. He's going to do Avengers maybe. Yeah. Long man, good. At least there will be some neat visuals, I guess. Also, hi Rags. Hello. Any chance of a Diablo 4 eFap when it comes out? I ain't playing that. Probably not. I'm just not really interested in it. I'm kind of interested in playing it, but I mean, as you can tell, there's not going to be an eFap on it. Um, would love to see y'all do this sort of thing for other of their videos. Lots of great entertainment value here. Stay thoughtful, my guys. Also, hi Meme Repository. Well, he'd appreciate that. And yeah, the plan is to do it for a great film. For the idea. See how they both fare. What's up YouTube people? And then it says End Part 1. Interesting. They said that in caps. I don't know what they mean exactly. It could be connected to the facts. That is the last message. Oh, look at that for the cinema wins and sins eFap. Super chats. Thank you all for those very kind donations. We appreciate it. And without further ado, I suppose I'll say goodbye. And that you can go ahead and catch us on the next eFap related thing. Whatever it might be. Thank you so much. But we shall say goodbye now to the big boy. Goodbye, we will see you later.


Welcome to George H. Smith's Excursions into Libertarian Thought, a production of Libertarianism.org and the Cato Institute, narrated by Daniel Highland. Thomas Paine vs. Edmund Burke, Part 1 In An Appeal from the New to the Old Wigs, August 1791, Edmund Burke quoted from a number of writers who had criticized Reflections on the Revolution in France, 1790. But most of the quoted passages were from the first part of Thomas Paine's Rights of Man, which had been published a few months earlier. Referring to himself in the third person, Burke wrote, I will not attempt in the smallest degree to refute them. This will probably be done if such writings shall be thought to deserve any other than the refutation of criminal justice by others who may think with Mr. Burke. I have done my part. Burke's suggestion that British law should deal with rights of man did not escape the notice of Thomas Paine, who was in England at the time, having traveled from America to France, May 1787, and then to London, September 1787, in an effort to secure financing for an iron bridge he had designed. In addition to this project, Paine, hoping to avoid war between France and England, served as an unofficial envoy between the two governments. And it was in this capacity that he first met Edmund Burke. As an influential member of the Rockingham Coalition in Parliament, Burke had protested against British measures in the American colonies, and this won him a favourable reputation among many revolutionaries, including Thomas Paine. It is therefore understandable why Paine believed that he and Burke shared some fundamental political principles, but he could not have been more mistaken. Burke, for example, never denied the right of Parliament to tax the American colonies. Rather, while conceding this technical right, he argued that British policy should be guided by expediency, not by any notion of abstract rights. Burke had coined the label, salutary neglect, to describe the earlier commercial policy of Britain, and he maintained that enforcing new taxes and regulations in America after 1763 would accomplish nothing more than to alienate the Americans, who had grown accustomed to self-governance. The appeal to parliamentary rights would inspire Americans to respond with their own theory of rights, and this abstract debate, incapable of resolution, would widen the fissure between the two countries. No one, Burke maintained, will be argued into slavery, so the only relevant question for Parliament was one of expediency. Would it be better to have Americans as allies and trading partners, or as enemies who had been pushed by arguments over abstract rights into armed resistance and independence? Even after Payne spent a week at Burke's home, he didn't seem to understand Burke's political principles. Perhaps this was because, as Burke later claimed, Payne spent most of their time together talking about his bridge. Indeed, while Payne was in Paris during the early stage of the French Revolution, he sent an enthusiastic letter to Burke predicting that revolutionary ideas were sure to spread throughout Europe, unaware that this observation merely exacerbated Burke's anxiety over the possibility that the French enthusiasm for natural rights would inspire homegrown radicals to overthrow the established order in Britain. As Burke often observed, and in this he agreed with Payne, the French Revolution was a revolution in ideas, and ideas could not be contained by armies or national borders. Thus it was not the revolution in France per se, but the spread of revolutionary ideas to Britain that alarmed Burke and made him see red when confronted by anyone sympathetic to the revolution, even to the point of ending close friendships of many years standing. In this series I shall focus on the theoretical differences between Burke and Payne, but since Burke's basic ideas were discussed in my last series, I shall focus mainly on Payne's ideas. Before proceeding, however, I would like to give some indication of how ferocious and personal this debate was. Like other critics, such as Mary Walston Kraft, whose a vindication of the rights of men was the first extended reply to reflections on the revolution in France, Payne was convinced that Burke had betrayed his earlier principles for a secret pension, £1500 per year, from the British government. A common rumour that was, however, completely false. And after Payne read Burke's suggestion, quoted above, that he should be prosecuted for part one of rights of man, he exploded with sarcasm in part two, February 1792. In his last work, his appeal from the new to the old wigs, Burke has quoted about ten pages from the rights of man, and having given himself the trouble of doing this says, he shall not attempt in the smallest degree to refute them, meaning the principles they're in contained. I am enough acquainted with Mr. Burke to know that he would if he could, but instead of contesting them, he immediately after consoles himself with saying that he has done his part. He has not done his part. He has not performed his promise of a comparison of constitutions. He started the controversy. He gave the challenge and has fled from it. And he is now a case in point with his own opinion that the age of chivalry is gone. Though I see nothing in Mr. Burke's appeal worth taking much notice of, there is, however, one expression upon which I shall offer a few remarks. After quoting largely from the rights of man, declining to contest the principles contained in that work, he says, this will most probably be done. If such writings shall be thought to deserve any other refutation than that of criminal justice, by others. Pardoning the pun, it must be criminal justice indeed that should condemn a work as a substitute for not being able to refute it. The greatest condemnation that could be passed upon it would be a refutation. But in proceeding by the method Mr. Burke alludes to, the condemnation would in the final event pass upon the criminality of the process and not upon the work. And in this case, I had rather be the author than be either the judge or the jury that should condemn it. On 21st May 1792, the British government alarmed at the phenomenal sales of Thomas Paine's rights of man. It was selling in the hundreds of thousands, and other than the Bible may have been the best selling book ever published. Targeted Paine by issuing a royal proclamation against wicked and seditious writings. When in a parliamentary exchange, the Liberal MP Charles Fox demanded an explanation for the proclamation. The Tory Prime Minister, William Pitt, explained that the principles espoused by Thomas Paine threatened the destruction of the hereditary nobility, the monarchy and religion by calling for the total subversion of the established form of government. After Pitt's charges elicited cries from fellow Tories of shame, damn Paine and traitor. The question was raised as to why, if all this were true, the government waited so long and took action only after the publication of part two of rights of man. At that point, the Home Secretary, Henry Dundas, replied that only part two contained seditious ideas, and because those ideas were being sedulously inculcated throughout the kingdom, it was now necessary to deal with Paine and his supporters with the force of law. Emergency action by the government was needed to suppress the many organizations in large manufacturing towns that were springing up to discuss and disseminate the principles defended by Paine. The Pitt administration used the proclamation as a framework to sponsor anti-Pay-anite rallies throughout the country. It also financed the writing of scurrilous attacks on Paine, most notably the life of Thomas Paine with a review of his writings. This government subsidized book by George Chalmers, who wrote under the pen name Francis Oldis, portrayed the young Englishman, who did not leave England for America until age 37, as a ne'er-do-well wife abuser and swindler. If only English law had taken its proper course, according to Chalmers, Thomas Paine would have been imprisoned for a long time, thereby sparing civilized people from the harm inflicted by that scoundrel. Curiously, perhaps, Chalmers also devoted much of his book to criticizing the syntax and grammar in rights of man. Though he didn't seem to think that Paine should be imprisoned for his literary crimes, after the publication of part two, the British government cracked down on the seditious organizations and activities associated with rights of man. To quote from the account by John Keane, whose book, Tom Paine, A Political Life, 1995, is far and away the best biography of Thomas Paine ever written, the royal proclamation set off official hunts against political heresy from one end of the country to another. Government spies were assigned to the popular societies to monitor and obstruct their activities. Bill stickers were imprisoned for posting notices in favor of Paineite reforms. Book shops selling rights of man were visited and harassed by agents of the book police and sometimes arrested, prosecuted, fined, or imprisoned. Richard Phillips, who published the pro-reform Lester Herald, was convicted for a year and a half for allegedly selling the book. Public places frequented by Paine sympathizers were carefully monitored and sometimes harassed. In the villages of Northamptonshire, house-to-house loyalty canvases were conducted. In Wiltshire, traitorous expressions earned a schoolmaster the sack. Ipswich magistrates forcibly broke up an alehouse disputing club, comprising very inferior people chattering about Paine and citizens' rights. John Frost, the attorney activist in the London Corresponding Society, was arrested and sentenced to the pillory and to 18 months' imprisonment on the pretext of a remark, I am for equality, why no kings, uttered in a merry LeBone coffee house. And during the autumn of 1792, Manchester publicans were pressed to prevent Paineites from frequenting their taverns. Those who refused were warned that their licenses would be withdrawn. On the same day that the government issued its proclamation, it also charged Paine with seditious libel. According to John Keane, the real purpose of this threat was to compel Paine to leave England, since a trial with Paine present would draw national attention and probably spark violent protests. The most effective strategy the government reasoned in secret was to let the Democlean sword of state power hang for a while by a thin thread over Paine's head. Needless to say, at least to libertarian readers, this tactic remains popular among governments to this day. Meanwhile, in the midst of government sponsored anti-Paineite rallies, many with paid participants, during which Paine was ritually executed, Paine himself was followed by government spies who tracked and reported his every move. Paine, fearing for his life, heated the advice of a friend and retreated to a small village ten miles from London. But he was not about to be cowed into submission. On the contrary, Paine retaliated with one literary salvo after another. For instance, in an open letter to Mr. Secretary Dundas, he challenged Pitt's claim that there never did and never could exist a government established upon the rights of man as envisioned by Paine. Had Pitt never heard of America, Paine wondered, a country where his principles had been operating for almost twenty years. Paine continued with some barbed comments about the prime minister. Mr. Pitt has not yet arrived at the degree of a schoolboy in this species of knowledge. His practice has been confined to the means of extorting revenue, and his boast has been how much, whereas the boast of the system of government that I am speaking of is not how much, but how little, despite the considerable destruction suffered by America during its war with Britain. Americans had rebounded quickly under the aegis of a minimal Republican government whose expenses were only one eightieth of the money spent each year by the British government. Indeed, according to Paine, the amount paid by the British government to pensioners and placement, two of Paine's favorite targets, exceeded the entire budget of the American government. Like other libertarians of his day, Paine attributed many of Britain's woes to its bloated bureaucracy and high taxes. In America, there is not that class of poor and wretched people that are so numerously dispersed all over England, who are to be told by a proclamation that they are happy. And this is in a great measure to be accounted for not by the difference of proclamations, but by the difference of governments and the difference of taxes between that country and this. What the laboring people of that country earn, they apply to their own use and to the education of their children and do not pay it away in taxes as fast as they earn it to support court extravagance and a long enormous list of placement and pensioners. Paine was eventually tried for seditious libel, but he was tried in absentia after returning to France to serve as a member of the National Assembly. Despite a brilliant defense by Thomas Erskine, perhaps the greatest civil rights attorney of his day, Paine was not only found guilty, 18 December 1792, he was found guilty without any jury deliberation. Before the judge even had the chance to issue instructions to the jury, the foreman announced that a decision had been made. Thomas Paine was guilty as charged. Before his trial, Paine had predicted that the government would pack the jury and he was right. Thank you for listening to Excursions. To learn more about Libertarian philosophy and history, visit www.libertarianism.org.