Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop. How's everybody doing out there? Hey, we're in studio. We got a big audience everybody applaud An actual audience This is about as many people as we can fit in here But our guest tonight is the one and only Jason linear white say hello, Jason All right We're gonna talk about all the different things that you do which is quite a quite a spectrum of things in the Entertainment and voiceover on on camera and all sorts of stuff. So if you have a question for Jason put it in the chat room whether you're in Facebook live or YouTube live or However, you're watching this, you know, if you're watching it on TV, I'll be really impressed or if it's beating in from a Chinese Someone's gonna watch this in two years and go Anyway, it's time for voiceover body shop right now It's time for voiceover body shop Brought to you by voiceover essentials comm the home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements the makers of source connect Voiceover heroes become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor websites comm where your voice actor website doesn't have to be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voice over success and world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent and Now here's your hosts Dan and George Hey there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George. What and this is voiceover body shop or Vio B Should have told you guys at your part Now what are you gonna? Now, you know later. We'll do it again. Anyway The sound would be perfect tonight. The colors look absolutely magnificent for some reason I you know, it's because all you guys who support us out there and make sure that technologically this thing is just Way above everybody else because we've been doing a webcast for almost 12 years You know before they people knew what webcasting was sometimes we get it right and it's an occasionally Once in a while it seems to seems to work together. Anyway, our guest tonight is our good friend Jason linear white Who is he's a guy that does just about everything. He's an award-winning actor. We have to ask what your words you've won Voiceover artist you do a lot of motion capture stuff and things like that. Let's welcome him to voiceover body shop. Jason linear white Watching the show for you so to actually be here as a guest is awesome. It's fun to have amazing. Yeah so Tell us a little bit about yourself and and how you got into this not so business and all the different things that you're doing I do love to talk if you've met me in person or in line you You know that is true.  I am born and raised rare from LA We're a rarity. I thought it was going to be a lawyer at the age of four because I knew I liked to yap so I saw people on TV and Movies and television shows thinking that oh that person talking in front of everybody. That's what I would like to do I'm gonna find out there's other ways to make things up. I don't really care about the legal side I just wanted to talk in front of people. So We fast forward to I think I was Nine and some change and I started to get really involved into my high not high school But my elementary schools different projects that they had Plays that we would put on I got really and I love just the thought of this will be cool Everyone will watch us we get to perform we get to tell the story our way I thought it was very really fascinating then about the age I think I was 10 or 11 and My mom heard on the radio if your child is outgoing blah blah blah blah bring them to Universal Studios to the Marriott Hotel There's gonna be Beverly Hills Studios. It's going to have a showcase in Beverly Hills Studios for those of you Don't know there. It's already been gone. They were basically like What's the equivalent? Sort of like I guess a trade school for actors you could go there for modeling a guild. Yeah, okay specialty kind of For a Into the world of the entertainment industry from the actors perspective So they taught acting theater and modeling But all your instructors were people you saw on TV and movies every day So you'd see the guy on Melrose place in the latest episode and then tomorrow the next day He was teaching you he was teaching you how to book on camera jobs And then everybody that was blowing up in commercials at the time in the 90s Those were your instructors so they would teach you how to book Doritos and Pepsi and all this stuff So it was great Went through that did did well got an agent manager out of that and started my career in the on-camera world and for young men at that time and this still happens around age 17 to 22 we kind of hit a plateau there's not too many roles for boys at that age Right usually you can play the youngest son or the oldest son or oldest nephew or whatever There's just not that many roles so it kind of fills it out with that and then Growing up my brother and I we like everyone else you emulate family members teachers. I used to call I Used to call my friends parents or leave voicemails for them as the teachers Changing my voice so that they could skip classes and get out of school and it would always work I never thought I thought voice acting is where actors went to die because it was it must be so easy I thought When I first started so I never thought it was I just thought I will do that if I want to if things get really bad In the acting world, and I'll just do voiceover. It's the exact opposite. It's the hardest form of acting ever done stumbled on to it in 2012 started taking classes and fell in love with it my brain loves to learn and I Love the fact that there was something I knew nothing about I think I did my very first voiceover audition and voice one two three Sometime in 2012 and it took me an hour to do a 30-second spot No, I would record and listen back and I was horrendous. I sucked. I probably still suck, but did you book it? Didn't I didn't even know why I sucked I just had to listen back and I would do take after take and listen back and I I didn't know where to start I just knew this is not good. What's dangerous if you book on that very first thing Oh, this is easy. Yeah, I think I booked my third audition and it was for a college student I think I made $30 off that and it was a Bruce Lee sound alike something I grew up what I ice and grew up watching his stuff So I don't know if I did it justice, but when I listen back now It's not as bad as I thought it's also not as good as I thought it was George And I just started dabbling and dabbling and listening to every podcast. I started doing what I call Pac Manning I was just ingesting media everything stumbled on to you guys started going to conferences and Just fell in love with VO. I fell in love with the fact that there's so many different call them guilds or I Feel like I'm having a career as an actor is your it's like a video game or fantasy world Where I feel like I'm a lovable bard Or a rogue and I will stumble into a tavern. This might be the audiobook tavern. It's a very cool Tavern might not be my type of folks So I'll continue my journey until I get to the video game or you know the video game guild or I travel a lot of not called Facebook Yes, yeah, or the Facebook groups, right? Yeah, or LinkedIn groups or LinkedIn or workout groups a funny story I recently took my girlfriend on New Year's Eve There's a blockbuster bar in West Hollywood where it looks like a blockbuster on the inside and outside And we went there for New Year's Eve and one of the commercials I was in in the 90s was Playing on the TVs Oh, that was at the bar and there's a random guy next to me I don't know another random guy to the right of me I don't know and the bartender and I shouted. Oh my god. That's me and all three of them equally could not care less I was talking to strangers look at That's that's the way it is here my girlfriend is talking to a random couple and I Started like elating because I forgot all about that commercial but on camera was how I started my My journey.   I mean, did you have a plan to do all of these different genres and So I that's a great question Um, I just recently as in last week found the term and of course already forgotten it I was watching YouTube video But there's a gene that some humans have when they're born it gets activated Everyone has this gene within their lineage within their DNA, but it's the what is what did the young lady say on the video? It's I'll just call it the hustle gene But it's the the non-failure gene you see something and you think huh it can't be that hard I'll just go ahead and do it and I'll fail forward and what I need to learn I'll learn on my way to doing the thing or I'll find other people who have done it I'll ask them questions and if they're not into that I'll find books that people who've done it written or Jason to the lemming gene. Mmm. Yes I'll just follow this person blindly and I've always thought what's the worst that could happen, you know the worst thing that could happen is that I fail at something but I'm We all fail at tying our shoes when you're really young.  Yeah, they'll use the tuition of success So whatever gene that is I possess that and even to this day it's not Delusions of grandeur, but it's along the lines. My brain literally thinks well that person's human If they can do it somehow I can do it maybe not in the exact same way, but I have to figure out how they did it. Oh, their dad is the director That's how they got in well I don't have anyone in my family It's a part of that industry in that entertainment or in that field, but I wonder if I can get in this way I'm gonna date myself, but if you remember If you remember the very opening scene of look who's talking There's the one egg and the millions of sperm are trying to get into that one egg That's the on camera world. There's one job and we're all you know using swords and blasters and lightsabers fighting to get that one job and It was explained to me in voiceover There's more work than there are people that are qualified to do it So there's more jobs and there are actors that can actually do the jobs and just that when I learned that it just took all this weight and this anxiety off me and now if there's an opportunity and I feel like I can do it justice Then I'll put my name in that and the hat and I'll wait until I'm called and if it's something that I honestly feel that I can't do well a hundred percent if it's gonna be impeding the project I'll step back and shoot it over to another colleague, but That's been my bread and butter for life. I just kind of just I go well Let's try to roll my sleeves up and go let's try our best and see how we can make this a Part of our career a part of our life a new hobby a new skill in some type of way Yeah, if you're just joining us, you've missed a lot already our guest is Jason Lanier white and we're having essentially a metaphor festival I talking to now speaking metaphors and so so do I well, that's why we relate so well If you've got a question for Jason about all of these different genres that he works type it in the chat room whether you're in Facebook or you're on YouTube live and Jeff Holman who sits just to the left of me will be taking down all these questions and we'll be able to ask those in Just a little bit so get in there ask your questions because we want to hear from you. That's what this show is all about So Yeah, you talk about I'm gonna do this How did you physically implement? Each one of these genres and get into them and and find success in all of them With one camera Being an 80s kid with that's all we did was grow up, you know watching television from the time you wake up to the time You go to sleep. Yeah, and so it's like that in the 60s. Yes, so I always had these emulations that I would just Gravitate or anchor to I would hear the director say something in director language and I would translate it to oh This is just like that scene in that show that I love with this and now or this is just like the episode of Knight Rider When Michael Knight does that and David Hasselhoff acts, okay, I'll do that but my version of it So I had all these anchors to kind of factor towards with VO I Was impressed and blown away with how much information is out there. There's an even more so now There's podcasters books. I mean you name it. There's some redundancies, but everyone I look at his kung fu schools Everyone has something cool to teach you at each school You might learn kicks at this one school or punches or throws at these different schools So and everyone's style may or may not mesh with their own and to me it's fun to learn What this teacher or this coach is saying and going to workout groups and everyone is training at different places And you get to hear everyone's different experiences and take some things and you just steal and take and make it work for you With mocap I had a gigantic. I'm a very humble person, but with mocap out a gigantic chip on my shoulder Hmm, I thought oh, I'm a career martial artist. I'm a break dancer. Do this now walk in. I'll kill it I'll learn what I need to learn. I'll walk out the first hour. I felt smaller than ant man I didn't know anything. I didn't know any of the terminology the Jari. I mean you name it How did you get into there in the first place? I saw Randomly on Facebook a bunch of my colleagues were doing a ton of mocap. They're taking training in classes I didn't even know it existed. I thought you had to be a special person when Like most people when you're small and you watch someone on TV You think I would love to do that, but that person's special. They're not like me They're I'm sure they're their dad was Zeus and their mom is Hera. That's why they're on TV. They're a god, right? I would explain a lot They have powers. That's why they're doing what they're doing So until I saw that did I know it was accessible I signed up for the class introductory class with Richard Dorton He's one of my mentors for motion capture. He's been doing mocap for going on 25 years He was the first guy in LA to do mocap And create a career. So I've seen him been him killed him saved him you name all through video games So when I met him my fangirl You know, it's like meeting the Beatles at that time No one cheers no one screams to Ringo But upon learning and spending time in that class for the first hour I got humbled and realized I know nothing about this world. It has nothing to do with the movement at all It has to do with character breakdown and why are you moving? Why are you doing this movement? The movement's not important. Why are you doing this movement? Once I learned it from that aspect again, my brain loves to learn I just dove head first into everything I could ingest about motion capture. Yeah, it's it's acting I mean you but you're acting in this void Yes, is that kind of weird? Yes, it is With theater you have to project and you have to always face forward because the audience is looking at you And you pretend they're not there unless in certain Projects or you know shells where you talk to the audience. I call that Zach Morrison Zach wait Was that was that his name Zach Morris from no no no Zach saved by the bill Zach Morris that Morris is last name Zach Efron's Okay, that breaking the someone But anyway Zach and saved by the bill would stop or let's better yet Deadpool Deadpool always stops and talks to the audience, right?  There's a sound guy. There's a video guy. There's a head cam guy There's a Mike guy and everyone is like you better not bump those headcams But you're supposed to embrace and so it's it's very it's um very challenging Do you ever see what you're doing Zach Morris? Do you ever see what you're doing on a monitor somewhere?  They can render your character real time You're controlling a giant puppet to me It's helpful to see the scale because it helps you move as that character better instead of seeing it on a 2d Paper and then trying to bring it to life. Yeah to get back to your question. You have to have extremely strong Imagination muscles because nothing is there most people fail at the improv game of making a cup of tea the minute They pour the tea the kettle evaporates They always pour the tea and they right before they take a sip the kettle just disappears They always forget to put it down. It's those little things that will stop you from Or that is those little things that will keep you Doing take after take after take after take right is remembering those things, you know, I put this thing down here Crap did I put it on this side or that side? You have to remember so it's just repetition mile it's like with everything and you're wearing a green suit and ping pong balls yes, you have a lycra suit on And with all the balls on it all the trackers sometimes trackers or markers on your face and sometimes a head cam and markers Everything you can use props weapons, but it's so freeing you get to go back to being Three four years old where your imagination is key and the more vivid you can create that world The more fun you have as a performer and something I feel that doesn't get out there enough about motion capture Is that it's very collaborative The directors they talk about Nolan north on the set of um, I think it's the dark night With the was that the one with heath ledger ledger the Joker one is that the I think it's the dark night where They would ask Nolan. Uh, hey, uh We've been in this room for a while. How long have we been in here? And he'll say he's the director and he'll say, you know, I hadn't thought about that How long do you guys think you've been in here? So they say the the Movie was very collaborative like that motion captures like that the director will give you your Your lines and how you're supposed to move and and interact with certain things But they're looking for your input as well And they're looking for you to bring that character to life and I love that I love the fact that with on camera many times it is just Stand here say this this person walks here and then you guys say this and you leave Do it the way I ask you to do it with mo cap is very collaborative. Yeah So okay, so you're doing On camera. Mm-hmm. You're doing voiceover You're doing mo cap anything else that we should know about? Uh, a direct okay cast from time to time different projects Yes, lots of mo cap directing within like the last two two years right when covid hit Uh, I own dropship studios la. We do what large studios do on a smaller scale. Basically, um, independent video game programmers and developers will think Hmm, we would love mo cap in our game, but we can't afford what activision and electronic arts can afford So I guess we just can't do it But they'll find companies like mine or we reach out to them and say well, how much is your budget? Here's a plan that fits that budget It might only just be face cap that you can afford it might just be motion capture It might be performance capture which is face sound likeness your entire body fingers and everything and it's become extremely affordable Extremely affordable now to add motion capture to almost anything that random iphone Does facial capture so well that you can just pop that right into a movie video games VR experiences you name it if you know how to do it, right? It's nuts Wow Once again, we are talking with jason linear white who does everything He probably even paints his own room That sort of thing with the window closed and then passes out. Yeah You gotta tape it just right If you've got a question for him Again, throw it in our chat room right now in facebook live or in youtube live You know and of course if you know who's going to be on you can always write a question to us Much earlier on but you didn't have the chance to do that yet if you didn't do it. It's a life hack I know like that. Yeah So how do you keep all of these different things that you're doing straight? I take it you're a very well organized person No, but Not even close so explain how you do that Okay, um, what I love is I love this question because it works for life It helps you if you find out if you're a ninja or a pirate Are you a morning person or a night person for me? I'm a morning person I love getting up early and I feel like I'm ready to start the day and I try to Focus on what I need to do in what order but I don't actually have a schedule that I link My time to I know that there's certain things I need to do and this is going to sound weird But as being an actor and being a Pisces Pisces are like ping-pong or like, um Uh pinballs We're over everywhere, right? I but we're very creative. Um When the moment strikes me that's when I do it So when I for instance, if I know I have voiceover auditions to do instead of doing them in the order that they came in However, I'm feeling that day is how I tackle those auditions. I say, you know, I don't feel really I don't I'm not a hundred percent up. So I'll go ahead and do this Bank of America spot. I'll try this or I'm feeling good this morning. I got up, you know, walk the dog I'm feeling great time to do some video game stuff I'm very in tune with how I feel my emotions and where my body is And instead of trying to dictate what I need to do. I just kind of let the day happen on its own Um And I use Siri like there is no tomorrow use Siri Alexa and google always use those digital assistants Um, a really good life hack. I've been doing this for years is to get better at your reads on your own Highlight the text and then have Siri if you have an iPhone. I've not if you have an android It's bixby have Siri read the script to you. You can start directing her. She's gonna say everything wrong She's gonna drop words.  She's just sitting there knitting or doing whatever she does when she's waiting for us to give her commands Be nice about it.   He has this at three o'clock No, I'm just kidding. I wish I'll turn you off. Well, I'll turn the tv on you don't have access to the tv What's going on in the house man? You're terrified, um, but I I tend I tend to stay organized by not giving myself Finance I know something needs to be due before 8 a.m So as long as I get in before 8 I kind of let the day I kind of go with the ebbs and flows And I tend to that works for me Okay, so you don't have like a big white board or anything like that to keep you organized I have two. Oh, okay. Like there's doodles on them and they're I do use the uh the calendar. Yes, I use the um the calendar that comes in installed in mac With that and uh, that's been very very helpful with the reminders and whatnot, but I kind of tend to kind of just Flow and do the thing So how old are you now? This month on the 21st, I will be 42 and I want to tell the audience I know everyone's going through a tough time financially. No, uh, so I've spoken With my family and this year only I will be accepting gifts that can start at $300 And go up from there. So if you Would like to give me a gift they need to start at $2.99 and up So usually it's 500 or more. So this year it's okay. I think they gotta do a group buy first and then send you the whole Yes, yes, I only ask because you know, if you can keep all this stuff in your head in the next five years Good luck. Get it. It's not gonna happen. Good luck. Absolutely Let's again, we're talking with Jason linear white and we're talking about all the things that he does in the voiceover world And mo cap and on camera and again if you got a question for him based on all this stuff that we've been talking about Throw it in the chat room right now So you I've I've been noticing That you you had a group called vox or not. Yes, you know, and so I I assume that that is Still sort of there, but that's sort of morphed into this company You've got into dropship studios la vox or not is all about vox meaning voice Is all about getting some of the best training at affordable actor prices I was doing a lot of adr and looping training $50 per person. I think we're maxed out at 12 people and this was in person. I think we started in 2017 and went up to about 2020 or so All right before covid happened and you would come from seven to ten and I had a bunch of scenarios And it was a day in the life of doing an adr and looping. Um, a quick Small rendition of that what adr is it means is a three or four. I don't have to not telling you guys You guys know you guys wrote the book on it audio dialogue replacement or there's like three other automated dialogue Automatic dialogue It's all the background voices you watch friends at home and you notice that only rachel and ross are talking right in the coffee shop You can't hear anyone else those actors are being quiet and later on when they add the episode is edited down It goes to actors such as myself And nine other of us, uh, and we start to put in things that we would think the background actors would say It's very lucrative. Um back in the day This was looked down upon because it was along the lines of being an extra, but what vocally. Oh my god, but Once it got out that you get residuals on these Just imagine if you Were looping or doing adr for the save by the bell franchise, right? Those get syndicated and you are just still making money residual checks are coming Even though the show's been off air for 20 years something like that So it's it's very lucrative and this happens with movies television shows you name it So I do a lot of that. It's it's basically like an actor's nine to five and If you're an amazing improv it doesn't mean you're good at looping if you're extremely good on camera It doesn't mean you're good at looping and vice versa. So it's it's a very finite small niche to get in there But it has become so lucrative. I love it. It's amazing you work those muscles every day, which is the improv muscles one of the foundations of acting and So many different projects you get to meet different people and Get understand their experiences and whatnot and I forgot what the question was Well, the question was is how do you keep it all straight? There we go Yes, and also that uh, you're teaching a lot of these things and they just got you've got the meetup group Or do people meet up or now we do it online Oh, we're going to be starting this month of going back to adr and looping because most of it is now you can do it online So overnight we talk about um, the structuring of kovid 90 95 percent of the time when you did loop you would have to go into the physical studios. Well, literally overnight That stopped. So now I'm looping with people from new york people In spain you name it. We're all working on the same project And everyone's in their booth their closet you name it and when you watch it on the television Or you see it on you know your phone or movies you can't tell the way they've been mixing them down now You cannot tell. Yeah, um The show Lovecraft country Yeah, didn't get a second season But we did four episodes in person and the other the rest of the six we did all individually at home And I forget I think it's tim. I can't remember his last name at the moment He's an amazing sound director. He won an Emmy for that show. Yeah, and when you listen to it, you cannot tell That it's all in it not at all and it is mixed so well When I watched it myself, I thought man, this is good. Now. I would hear myself and my colleagues. I think I remember when I literally watched on zoom when she said this or did this speech or And it didn't sound like this. It's insane. They were having a week to get this stuff up less than a week Yeah, we'd work on a monday And that episode to be up by the following monday. So that means they worked on it that entire week and just boom So It's insane on where we are. Um, but that training is still offered and uh, yeah, we do adr. We do mocap training That's more in-person stuff. 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Yes, wishbone from wishbone from the youtube Um jason, what's your favorite most recent role or really experience with voice acting and why? Uh, there was a big game that I was up for and we did a I did an audition it came from my agents And I got a call back the call back was in my my booth. I did in my booth it zoomed in with everyone I got the role and just found out last week the game is cancelled It's one of the best franchises and video games that I love But it happens, but it goes to show that You never know it's out of our hands, you know, so I I was bummed for about I do the five minute rule I was bummed I allowed myself to be bummed for five minutes and then I thought well Hey, if I did it once Hopefully I can do it again. I will do it again And I did a great job on that audition. I felt I was the character. I prepared for it I was very proud of myself that the curveballs they threw at me I was still able to hit Not everything was a home run, but I was very proud of myself of how prepared I was And um, I would have to say it was that so It would have been nice And of course when you when you're auditioning and you do that stuff and you know you did it well They remember they may not you may not be right for that particular part. Yes, but they'll go Oh, wait, you know, we're doing this one, you know that Jason linear white was really good when he did that So and that happens a lot that happens frequently, which I'm grateful for. Oh, we all are definitely. All right We got a question from grace newton Until I can fund coaching What can I be doing daily to prepare for voice acting in video game? Got you. Uh, this is for everybody of every genre genre if you want to learn no matter what you want to learn Exhaust your free resources all the time Podcasts are you're going to get bored? You're going to get tired is going to get frustrating because not all the information out there is easily ingestible Sometimes people have great info and they don't know how to relay it and vice versa But go through youtube go through podcasts every time you drive or you walk somewhere You should have your earbuds headphones in and you should be listening to A podcast of someone talking about whatever that is you will be surprised on how many tidbits that you wind up picking up As long as you learn at least one thing it doesn't matter how How much of the information you've already you already know you've already attained even if there's one thing That's new or a different spin on it. That might be what you need for it to click exhaust those resources Watch video game trailers watch the trailers and watch the cutscenes cutscenes of the miniature movies in the video games themselves You don't have to be a gamer to be in video games But you have to know the genre if someone says okay I need you to say this line as if you're yelling to the master chief And the covenant are behind you shooting and blasting the ship up the pelican up you need to know what all those words mean I need to know what the hell a master chief is. I need to know what a pelican is I need to know what the covenant is if you don't know what any of those are There's a good way of starting. Let's let's go and research halo. What's the story of halo? Leave it on in the background.  Um our brains are wired to Fluctuate between our senses when we're already doing something. That's why if you're vacuuming or doing dishes or if you're Um doing laundry, but you have something on in the background Your body is physically Involved in a task which means that it's going to allocate more Energy to your ears So it means you can actually do a lot deep a deeper thinking when your body is used to when your body is physically doing something Uh, if you're vacuuming if you're doing the dishes drying the dishes taking them out of the dishwasher or doing them or whatever Doing something you're yes, but it's a repetitive some or but something repetitive. Yes Definitely a thousand clean the fish tank or Swiffering or something if your body has a task to do The brain can kind of allocate more information to your other tasks. You can taste food better You can retain knowledge better from what you hear your ears perk up better It just whatever's monotonous try to do these things try to leave a podcast or youtube video playing on in the background And then project project project one of the easiest ways to get in games is to do what we call Battle chatter i'm not going to do one now, but um imagine when you say something you're The words coming out of your mouth are flying In front of you they're coming out so fast or like bullets going through a wall So a yell or a scream would be Oh my god, he's got to kill us Battle chatter is a projected yell. It's Swapping max reloading watch the flank is very short and sweet and compact Go from your diaphragm and don't use your throat push from the tummy If you scream and turn to your left or right and you feel any Discomfort or pain you're screaming from the wrong area You want to scream from your chest or your tummy if you can get battle chatter down well and do those in auditions That'll be that's like your background work for video games They'll call you and we call it killing. Uh, they'll call you and they'll they'll kill you which just means you get work to exhaustion To do battle chatter and you will be that guy who's or that woman or that person who's just yelling Reloading this and that uh, I did a fireman the firefighter video game where it was 10 hours is broken up into three sessions two four-hour sessions and one one one hour session and it was The roof is collapsing. Yeah, you have stuff like that.  Definitely. Yeah, cool. I follow up to that And I'm sure nobody's asked it yet, but I'll ask sure because you were mentioning before that people are doing it from all over the place But does it help to be here in southern california to be doing that type of work? You know, whether it's video games or mo cap or stuff like that I love this question because it's never the answer people think it's gonna be that's why So you have you should have a foothold in any genre and in any location you want to work in It doesn't mean you have to live there You should know people and have friends be start with the facebook group start with instagram start with Knowing that community if you can afford to travel to those areas and go to a conference or something like that Do that you should have a a foothold to where at least Let's say out of 400 people five to ten people know vaguely of you Oh, that's the jason guy. He doesn't live here in amsterdam, but we've met him a couple of years ago Yes, shoot him an audition or yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He might have to record in la, but we have we know of him That's all you need. It's just a foothold. It's just like when used to crashing your cousin's couch Any point in time we used to crashing your cousins cousin's couch. That's what you do Go to those conferences go to those even you know the zoom meetup start doing that There are so many free resources of how you can get Know notoriety and get your name out there and solidified and linked up with something that you want to do You know when I think of john smith, I immediately think of random default person or name You know, it's that's what you want to do with your name It of course helps To live in texas if you want to buy and own your own ranch and have tons of horses out there But if you don't You can always fly out to texas or at least start learning, you know, um, what are some of the adjacent areas that Feed into texas. What are some of the companies that feed into owning a ranch? Oh, there's a feed store that Is right here in my neighborhood. I can build a relationship with that feed store And inadvertently somehow it'll help me get my foothold into texas so I can build my ranch Same thing for video games I need to get a foothold in los angeles somehow and it doesn't have to be games As actors we should be quantifying I may meet somebody in the mo cap world on camera theater that helps me get a voice over video game job Right, so it's we never arise at our destination the way we think we're going to it's always different Many times it's cooler. Many times we think um Oh, I'll just drive up and show up where you know, however you get that project or that job You might show up like the the rocketeer with the jetpack or iron man. So always be open to Figuring out on different avenues to to the end goal for sure. You don't have to live in the area So so Catherine j. Of course, I gave the lead into this question She's like, what is the most difficult part about doing video game? Uh, I would say to be honest. It's it's Synonymous it is exactly the hardest part of any Vio job any acting job is it's the director many times you walk in and they tell you They don't tell you much and you have to have your imagination Already at 100 you have to fill in the blanks sometimes and this just just isn't within the game world Many times the director is really tired um There may be four people online via zoom and the writer could be there As well as the director is with you there physically and everybody needs something different And you as an actor you may do take after take after take and the very second first or second take Maybe exactly what they needed or wanted But for whatever reason everyone wants the salad bar.  I am not the overall piece Let's just go you have to have to keep your stamina I think for me that was a tough a tough one was I would burn out sometimes at three hours Because we would do a lot of shouting or different things or I'm a very active person If I'm running in the game that I try to run in the actual booth to get the sound coming out And when you're doing that multiple times you do get tired And sometimes there's too many cooks in the kitchen and stuff is coming out and it Nothing tastes good And you just have to sit there and say it's my job to just be the sous chef here the ingredients I'll make this same dish 50 times here. It is slightly different each time I would say that's the toughest part is understanding that humans are still at the helm And we have to figure out on how we navigate each person's different personality Because it's they're gonna tell you yay or nay to go to the next line or when you're ultimately done Took a melt and pair of millets. Yeah Jeff Holman gets the next question when it's an interesting one.  You I guess I can read it I mean jeff you Please point them like at them Yeah, let me just go that loose of this loosen this up.  Can I have to do a studio or something like that? Yes, and believe it or not as long the only The only technical issues you run into is not having enough cameras If you have at least two so that they can see a wide shot and then a closer one from about waist up Believe it or not clients get you see them do this when the session starts And then the moment they see you move and they see your skeleton move or Interpretation of you in the mo cap suit digitally they go Oh, okay now we get it That's exactly how people are going to feel about the metaverse right now It sounds stupid But when you put a headset on you go to a digital Nike store You pick up some shoes that aren't really there and you look down and see those shoes on your actual foot And your cartoon style foot And you can move your leg and look around and still purchase those shoes and in two days they show up Then everybody will be okay with the metaverse that's where we're at and How we do um remote sessions is just like that There's always at least one on the staff of clients that has a pushback of hey, we should physically be there You know how you're in Amsterdam. You're in Turkey. You're in England You're over in you know another part Uh and everyone wants to be on at the same time with you know You're in Denmark with all the different time constraints But let's just see how this works on the first one and They're always blown away and it's usually latency is the only issue sometimes, you know the zoom has to keep up But other than that you'll be surprised. They finished the They finished the call of duty of 2020 that way They called all the mo cap people and the performers in started uh in 2019 Um COVID happened and then they shipped the x sends suits out Which are mo cap suits you put the suit on zip it up Take a couple of minutes and fire it up and you see in real time your movements into the camp into the computer and the software And they remotely just directed each actor each performer in their own homes So you just push the things out of the garage or out of the way in the family room And you see kids walking in the background and dad is just reloading an imaginary gun You know using a broomstick or whatever and by the time the developers who Had their work cut out for them. You play the game. You cannot tell you cannot tell 75 of the motion movements of that game Or we're done at home by performers right in x-n suits. It's very cool Yeah, but you got to be good at it first. We don't need anything like that here because we have this wonderful set behind us It's amazing. Yeah, the caviar was a little warm when I came in but you know Yeah, we're we're trying to improve the craft service here a little bit Uh, kind of Ali asks Jason. How does someone get in touch with you? directly Oh, um Call 1900 It's 75 cents per minute. Now, um You can go on the websites and just type my name in uh jason linear white dot com or actor jason linear white dot com Or dot actor or something. I don't know and uh my website will pop up one of those Yeah, or you can if you're on facebook You can uh contact me there through messenger if you're on instagram you can contact me on there Just type in my full name. I pop up. Uh, I am not on social media too often these days So if you send me a message and I don't respond promptly promptly would be three days Shoot a little emoji finger like this pointing up that way I'll get the message and I have messages in instagram eight months old just because I just don't I don't see them So I'm just not on social media too much These days too many platforms to keep track of there's a lot. There's a lot Question we've got about five minutes left question. Oh terry briscoe. Okay, george I've taken part in some of your warm-ups to get ready for video game acting and it's typically high energy stuff I was wondering if there's anything you do differently for a lower energy kind of character like an e or A wednesday adams something like more droney. Got you. Yes. Okay. So you This goes right back to auditioning right many of us audition to book the job instead of doing the audition justice There has to be a reason that character is moving either slowly or their thought process is slower or that they portray themselves in a very relaxed manner If we go back to that way if we break the character down like with wednesday wednesday is very calculating She's basically the female version of uh sherlock holmes. She sees everything.  He doesn't care He'll just tell you using the words you're not going to care because no one cares to be around me because I'm mopey, but This is how I feel man. You really want to know and before he finishes the sentence as a kid watching that you go Oh my god, he talks so slow speed it up But that's built into that character, right? That's built into that character So if we go back and give ourselves a reason here's the fun part You're never wrong. You're never wrong It's your interpretation on why you think that character is moving talking or portraying themselves in that manner We can critically think and start to get deeper the more we think about why so um Yeah, it's all on us individually. There's no one right way or you know, there's billions upon trillions of ways to go about that Yeah Got a cut time for a couple more here. Okay, Beatrice ryan asks and she's watching on youtube great Beatrice Uh is improv acting part of your background or in your current toolkit? I would hope so Yes I would say personally improv. I think is the it's the basis foundation for all acting because There's going to be times when even if all the words even if the ad libs and the improv's are there In the scripts, there's going to be times when you're a human you're going to reiterate or interpret something a little different than someone else is and to be honest, it makes you Less terrified and have less anxiety when you know, well If I forget the line, I will be anxious But I know I can improv something similar to what I'm supposed to say And many times or at least 50 of the time it may be better than what's written And you may have to go back and do the written line But improv improv improv and it doesn't have to be silly improv. It doesn't I know when people hear improv They think oh god, I got a juggle chain pretend to juggle chainsaws or this and that it can be lyrical improv Go on youtube and put on chill hop chill hop a lo-fi music and start freestyling. This means lyrical improv try to make Anything you say rhyme and just try to freestyle it will open up your mind It is very challenging and difficult to do but it's so fun and believe it or not You'll start freestyling and rhyming Much faster than you think if you can do that that's 10 times harder than improving in front of people in the booth. You name it All right, one more question from greg cooper george great cooper Did you train at the same time for all these genres or do you focus on one area and really try to master it? And then move on to the next genre. Are you good at focusing? That's good. I am I'm very good at focusing when it's something that has to do when I know that Everyone else has an initiative involved in it. Um I would say Start with your background with me. That's why I had a chip on my shoulder for mocap was I thought I'm I'm a movement person Right, this will be easy mocaps all about movement. I'll just go in I'll learn the terminology And I'll just do the moves and I'll take off and you know, thanks and I'll just start my career and to start I'll just sail right hit autopilot and just hang out open a coke and chill But Start with your background and really do think you might have to ask family members friends colleagues And they might tell you something you forgot. Yeah, I remember you took tap dance for you know, six months when you were seven You oh, yeah, I have very good hand foot or I'm pretty good with breaking down movements with my feet or my entire body because of that That makes its way into everything you want to do So start with the foundation of you take a piece of paper and write down all the things that you can do at a Five out of a ten scale zero to ten That's a five or higher You will be surprised on how many things you do at a seven to ten on that scale that can make their way Into all of your acting in my experience most people have at least 30 of Reserves In anything they do when they do their best take if they really stop and critically think about a couple of things And do one more take after that and really push They usually have the best take of their life. They've ever done because we're usually really timid and we don't want to Push more. Um, with me, I try to get things to where I feel proficient with them Say, okay, I know nothing about firearms. So I take some classes on that I feel like I can load rack and you know, uh, disassemble this firearm Good enough with my eyes closed or open to where I feel proficient if I were to perform this in someone in front of someone else And I try not to master things because they're always changing, you know Um, I mastered my Apollo audio interface and you know, four months a new one came out That's my that's my number one tagline that for myself if I can do it in front of people and well to where no one goes Ah, see he Didn't I know that it's time to move on I'll go. Okay. Cool. I feel solid about this Let me learn this part. And so I try not to master things on purpose because They always change. Yep. Mm-hmm. And that's the way it's done. Jason. Thank you. Thank you so much for being with us today All right Georgia will be and I'll be right back to wrap things up and rack it up for tech talk So stay tuned. 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So I guess time is on. I'm going to get started. Hang on a second. Let me introduce you real quick. So this is, expectably, a very, very popular talk, not just here at the OpenStack Summit. Dave has given various variations of this talk about four times. Last time I saw him do a variation of this talk was at LinuxCon for you in January in Australia. So this is about provisioning bare metal with OpenStack. So please give Dave a very warm welcome. So first of all, this is not a talk about razor, cobbler, or any of the other things which provision bare metal but are not OpenStack. This is about the NOVA bare metal driver using that to manage bare metal. So I'm going to go into a lot of technical detail about what the current status of the driver is. It's in the Grizzly release. I'll cover kind of the background and all of that, how deployment works, and then if you want to develop or test it or do a proof of concept, how to get involved, how to set that up yourself. A quick background of who I am. I began working with OpenStack about 15, maybe 17 months ago before that. I was a database consultant working with MySQL and Precona and so on for a long time. And kind of just in the whole scaling and high availability and performance world for about the past nine years. The bare metal driver was kind of... There was something in trunk a long time ago that kind of fell by the wayside before the Grizzly Summit. Sorry. Teams from NTTDocomo and USC-ISI were working on a new driver. They did some work on it. It looked pretty interesting but was kind of hard to digest. So a group of us from HP, Cloud Services started playing with it and dug into it and with their blessing also took it over, refactored it, got it into the trunk. I've been working a lot with the NOVA team over the last six months to do that. Also been working with the OpenStack Infra team to start thinking about testing and how to test bare metal or use it to help facilitate their test infrastructure. We kind of saw potential with the bare metal driver. It's interesting in and of itself but we saw some potential to do some other things with it, triple low in particular, deploying OpenStack with OpenStack that I'm not going to talk too much about. I want to talk for a few slides about why someone might have implemented yet another way to provision bare metal. Because you already have mass and cobbler and crowbar and razor and so on and a lot of people have used just their own home rolled pixie environments. So what's different about this? Or why do people do it in the first place? There's already an infrastructure, sorry, an API for deploying your infrastructure and sometimes that doesn't fit really well, the things you want to deploy don't fit really well inside virtual machines. Maybe you want hyper-runs compute workloads or PCI pass through for specialized PCI devices that don't virtualize yet or you want to do databases and turns out databases like having direct access to physical disks for performance and consistency. And so, or you're just a big hosting company and your customers want to own physical machines and not run in virtual machines and share resources. So this is probably why people began writing this in OpenStack to give the same API to control physical machines. Why do I find it interesting? One of my things is I'm tired of reinventing wheels. We all seem to do that a lot and have for a long time and as an IT community, we all move forward when we come together on something and stop reinventing the same thing in our own little corner and share and that's what OpenStack has been doing for a lot of infrastructure management. So I'd like to see the bare metal driver as that coalescing for all these other projects to have a standard API to control physical and virtual machines in the same way. And there's a lot of work been done by different groups for the last 15 or 20 years how to bootstrap an infrastructure, how to scale a pixie boot environment and deploy images instead of installers on every node. And this is what we're doing in the driver, in the bare metal driver and it opens up some new possibilities like I said, triple O, installing OpenStack by using OpenStack which Robert Collins talked about on Monday and there have been a few other sessions on it so I won't talk too much about that today. So what is bare metal? Like I said, it's a driver for Nova, for OpenStack Nova and it fills this kind of same space oh that slide didn't show up very well. This is actually a cut out from a much larger slide of the fulsome design. It's just not showing up on the projector. Lovely. So it's a hypervisor driver for Nova Compute so it fits in the same code space as all these other drivers, Livert and Zen and so on. But it's fundamentally different from those other hypervisor drivers because there is no hypervisor with bare metal. It is just a Nova Compute process that is talking pixie and IPMI to control physical machines and deploy images on them. So roughly a normal Nova Compute host might look like this. You've got your physical machine and you've got an operating system and a Nova Compute agent and it's talking to the hypervisor to control a bunch of virtual machines and this is a well-known quantity with lots of well-known issues and it works great for a lot of things and it's not great for some things. But that's understood. This is different. We've got one host up here that's relatively lightweight running the Nova Compute process and whatever operating system. It's talking pixie and IPMI in the same way that another hypervisor driver would be powering things on and off. Start VM, stop VM. IPMI starts, stop, restart. Instead of copying an image from glance and then using that as the base image, base disk sort of VM, we just use pixie to deploy the whole machine image, operating system and applications, directly onto hardware and then boot that. So this slide might give you the impression that with one single compute host up here you can control a whole lot of hardware and all those little machines down there and that's kind of true. You could right now deploy, let's say, a whole rack from one node, one compute node at the top or even just one VM with its own little handy open stack, but that doesn't give you HA. So it would be a little bit wrong to say you should. It might work, but one compute host should not rule the whole infrastructure. And I'll talk a little bit more about that later towards the end, I think, because right now we don't have HA support for the bare metal compute host. In Grizzly, it's on the roadmap, hopefully for Havana. Oh, also, there's a bottleneck right now. If you were to try and do concurrent deployment to, say, 100 nodes at once, the single compute host that is doing that deployment would probably be someone of a bottleneck because it's doing a lot of work on local disk, copying and files and whatnot over the network. So if you were to deploy this at scale right now with what's in Grizzly, you'd probably want to have some ratio of bare metal compute hosts to nodes to spread the load out. That's not to say that bare metal compute hosts are doing anything after provisioning. They're basically idle after provisioning. But they're very busy while provisioning a host. So to get all this into NOVA, during the Grizzly cycle, we had to change some things. And I'm not really happy about them, but some architectural things just didn't fit right. Particularly, the concept of one compute process was one host. And it had a bunch of resources, and it would say to the scheduler, I've got 100 gigs of RAM and 16 cores, and you could allocate a few VMs of small ones, a lot of small VMs, a few big VMs. One really big VM take up all the resources. But with bare metal, you can't ever allocate part of a host because it's the whole host or nothing. So we had one of the changes in Grizzly was that the scheduler and the host manager, sorry, the scheduler host manager and the resource manager now track things as host comma node or host comma hypervisor, host name, synonymous. All the other hypervisor drivers that I'm aware of just use a placeholder for node, zero or empty string or something. Whereas with bare metal, that's actually the UUID of the physical machine that we assigned to it. And if you were to look at the list of compute nodes in a running bare metal cloud right now, you would see one compute node for every physical host that was being managed. We also added a new table, sorry, a new schema to Nova. Those of you who are familiar with Nova Conductor, they moved all the database access out of Nova compute. Around the same time, we added database access for the Nova BM schema. So if you're running bare metal and Conductor, not local Conductor, there's also the other connection to Nova BM coming from the compute process, but it shouldn't make a difference because there's no security implication because your tenants are never running on the compute host. They're running on the bare metal nodes over there. Just to be aware that there is a different database and if you have to do migrations or you want to have HA, there's another schema. We also had to do some work on database migration testing in the CI process to support having multiple database backends inside Nova. So that took a little work. There's a lot of different types of hardware in the world, whether it's HP hardware or Dell hardware or anything else, super micro, whatever. So the bare metal driver is implemented as a set of pluggable sub-drivers and some glue code that puts it all together and coordinates when you build the pre-boot environment, when you actually start the machine, how to roll back and deploy things like that. So we've got right now in trunk, in grizzly, I mean in a pluggable power, driver, pluggable image, driver, pluggable volume and network drivers. The volume and network is only one for each of those and it's kind of just a stub, but it's there. Power and imaging is where the real work has gone on. So I've had a lot of requests from people, will we support hardware discovery or BIOS management, firmware management? I mean, do firmware upgrades using the bare metal driver? What about talking directly to ILO or DRAC? Will we have add-ons for vendor-specific interfaces? I want to. This is not in grizzly, but I really want all this, so it's on the roadmap for soon. Can't say when. There are some external dependencies that are not shared with the rest of NOVA, that if you're running bare metal compute, these things also have to get installed on the compute host. There's a conflict right now with quantum, or the product formerly known as quantum. We have to run our own DNS mask process to do pixie booting because it doesn't yet know how. There have been some sessions on that, I think we've sorted it out, and probably trunk very soon. We'll be able to stop running our own DNS mask process and let open-section networking do that for us. We need IPMI tool, of course, for IPMI power, if you're using the IPMI power sub-driver, open-ice-guzzy, if you're using the pixie image deployment driver, and syslinux also for those things. I'm going to spend a couple slides talking about some of the details of those IPMI and pixie drivers right now, because that's what's in Grizzly and works. Particularly the power sub-driver, IPMI, this requires that you enroll the hardware, sorry, you have to enroll the hardware with bare metal so it knows what's out there. You have to inform it what the IPMI information is so it can reach out and turn machines on and off. It doesn't know how to discover that itself currently, and it doesn't do anything like resetting IPMI passwords. You have to just know those and inform it for now. We also have a virtual power driver, which is great for testing. So we can test all of this with virtual machines that don't actually have IPMI, and it just fits in the same plug inside the bare metal driver. And then the, I think it was the NTT document team that's been wanting Tulara support, so it's in trunk right now, just not in Grizzly. There is Tulara PDU support. The deployment driver, this is what does the actual imaging. The Pixie driver is the only one in Grizzly. There is also the Tulara driver in trunk right now, and I'll talk in some length about the Pixie driver and how it works in a few more slides. We have some integration with open-site networking. Like I mentioned, that's used for allocating IP addresses to ports, but not yet for the actual Pixie boot. That's coming pretty soon. And there's another API extension to add and delete nodes and to add interfaces and associate the interface with the node. And then you can also show status, what bare metal nodes are provisioned, what are active, any deployers that are in process. You can see the status of them. If you were deploying the driver, this is basically what you'd have to add to an OvoConfig file to turn it on. You have to change the compute driver, of course. You have to change the scheduler host manager, and I guess Vish has told me that we shouldn't have done that. We should have used a filter, but that worked. You have to change the firewall driver to no op, because, again, there's no tenants running on this host, so you don't need a firewall on the compute host to manage your tenants' networks. They're over there on physical machines, not where the compute driver is running. And you also have to change these last two bits. RAM allocation ratio and reserved host memory, because, again, there's no VMs running on the host. You don't need to reserve memory for it, because there's nothing taking memory away. And the RAM allocation ratio, if it's not one, the default is 1.5, by the way. It messes up the scheduler trying to find physical nodes. You tell the scheduler, find me a node with 16 gigs of RAM, and it says, I should find one with 24. And, of course, there isn't one with 24, because your physical machine only had 16, and it fails. These settings are also for the RAM driver itself, again, in NovaConfig, but in a different config option group. I've said a couple of times that the OpenStack networking doesn't support Pixiboot yet, so we have to do static IP, sorry, static IP file injection as soon as it does, this will change back to default and that can be removed. That's default power manager, IPMI, or virtual or PDU, instance type extra specs. This is how you tell the scheduler what that compute host is managing. Is it managing a bunch of I-386? Is it managing 64-bit hardware? Is it managing ARM hardware? We're not testing on ARM yet, but as far as I'm aware, the driver should fully well support ARM, so if someone else really wants to work on that, that would be awesome. And you have to tell Nova where the NovaBM schema is, how to connect to it, what database it is. Oh, and it doesn't have to be minus the trailer. It could be Postgres or whatever. That's just a SQL Alchemy connection string.  You know, you're deploying a Hodu cluster, or deploying your own infrastructure images, or deploying a base Ubuntu image that has, let's say, Assault Minion in there or Chef, and letting those take over and do all the configuration after deployment. I'm not going to talk about that stuff. That's up to you. Just the act of writing the images out to the machines. What's it look like? Before you can do that, you need an open-sat cloud, right? The bare-metal driver is part of Nova, so you need a running cloud with glance and Swift and Nova and Keystone to be able to deploy onto physical machines. Now, there's roughly three different ways to get there. One is DevStack. How many people have used DevStack? Awesome. Wonderful.  It's probably not the best thing if you want to be managing your hardware infrastructure, but it's good for testing. So we, as in the Triple-O team at HP, part of HP Cloud, have this little product up on Stack Forge called Disk Image Builder, and there's a related one called Triple-O Image Elements that basically builds disk images from cheroots and using runparts.d type scripting, hash, pretty easy to work with. And one of the elements is just called BootStack because it's not DevStack, it's BootStack, but it builds a VM, builds an image from a certain VM that contains all the parts of an open-sat cloud that you need, including the bare-metal driver. And so you can just take that image and use that to manage your hardware. Or if you have your own cloud or if you have a tool in to build your own small cloud, you can just do that and enable the bare-metal driver that way. And that might be good if you want to run this long-term, not just as a proof of concept. There's some operational requirements. You need to map your hardware to the flavors that you define in Nova. So, like I said, if you've got a machine with 16 gigs of RAM and four CPUs, relatively small machine, you need to inform Nova of those specifications and the scheduler filter, when you're booting a node, will match that physical node to the flavor you requested. You can't find any left. It won't boot, right? You also need to load some images in glance. There are a couple different types of images that need to be in glance for bare-metal deploys to work. Particularly, you need to deploy kernel and RAM disk. Excuse me. Which are some... I'll talk more about what those do in a bit. Suffice to say, we can provide them, particularly if your hardware has different needs. And then, of course, you need a machine image, which could just be an Ubuntu cloud image you download. From Ubuntu, you can customize it. It can be anything, pretty much. Yeah, customizing is pretty good. Current prerequisites. I have a spec up to change all of this. You have to have the hardware already configured with whatever you want to run. Bare-metal's not going to do the hardware configuration for you. You need the hardware inventory. You currently know the MAC address, number of CPUs, RAM, disks. And you need all the IPMI information, IP address, username, password, to control the machine. And you enroll that with Bare-metal using the API extension I mentioned earlier. And, of course, you could script that. You can do whatever you want. You could even just insert it into the database and the Bare-metal driver would auto-detect that there was new information in the database and go from that. This is the API. So, yeah, here's the commands to actually do that. So this is the example of the API extension. If you're creating a node, right, you have to specify the host name here. This is actually... That's the wrong word. That's just been a host name. That's the name of the compute node which will manage that physical machine. So if you had a larger infrastructure, say multiple racks and one compute node, one Bare-metal compute host per rack managing the rack, when you enroll a Bare-metal node, you can specify which of those compute nodes manages it with that field. And then, you know, CPU RAM disk, right? And then for every... for every NIC, for every interface on that node, you have to enroll that interface as well. When you do that, when you enroll a node like this, it takes a few minutes to propagate that information all the way through NOVA because it's propagated via periodic tasks which run every 60 seconds, and there's a couple of them. So it can take, you know, between 10 or 20 seconds at the best to maybe three minutes before you could actually boot that machine. And we can fix that. It's just propagating through NOVA compute, scheduler, resource manager, takes a few cycles. The actual deploy process looks roughly like this. Once everything's enrolled and set up and you have all the images and the flavors defined, it starts with NOVA boot. And, you know, whatever other things you might say there about the boot, the flavor, the image, your SSH key's name, and so on. The scheduler will select the compute host and which node managed by that host matches your request. The NOVA compute will prepare the boot loader, do all these things, power it on, and reboot it into the image. So there are two power cycles. One to turn it on and give out the deploy image and after the image is deployed, reboot into it. The whole thing looks like this. So I'm going to walk through that for a minute. Starting out with NOVA boot up there, message to the API. That goes through the message queue, whatever, scheduler. The node filters finds a node. From there, it gets passed down to NOVA compute and in particular, it calls driver.spawn. This is inside the vert layer in NOVA. That is going to reach out to... Oops, that should be removed. That opens up networking up there. Plug virtual interfaces, fetch images from glance, pull the images down to the local disk. Oh, I'm sorry, first down here. It gets the physical information about the node in the bare middle database and reserves it. So it's been reserved at that point. Downloads images, prepares the pre-boot environment, activates the bootloader, sends the IPMI message, power on. DHCP request comes back. Talk about all that in a minute. When it's done deploying, it reboots. And this process down here, I should have mentioned that too. In addition to running the NOVA compute process, you also need to run NOVA bare mental deploy helper. This is responsible for actually copying the image over ISCSI to the physical machine. When it's all done, it updates the status of the node, which in turn updates the instance state. And, you know, you can see via NOVA API that your deploy completed and the node is available. The instance is available to you. Now, inside this process here that I kind of glossed over, what that looks like, more like that. And the blue up here is stuff happening inside the NOVA compute process. And the red down here is bare mental deploy helper, separate process. Driver.spawn fetches the images from glance and fetches both the deploy images and the user-specified image. Builds the TFTP config and sends the power-on message. You know, DHCP boot request, deploy kernel and RAM disk. That is some specialized code in there that mounts the local disks via ISCSI and exposes them back to the bare-metal deploy helper and sends back the message here as your ISCSI endpoint. The deploy helper mounts them, does some minimal partitioning, copies an image, and sends a message back saying, I'm done, reboot. And a little daemon over here reboots itself. The last DHCP request, user kernel and RAM disk that match the image the user wanted to boot. And then, of course, CloudNet kicks in because this machine is now running in a cloud. And all the normal things CloudNet can do happen. And so one of the benefits to using our disk image builder is embedding all the CloudNet stuff and more stuff, so you can use heat, for example. So if heat drives the bare-metal deployment, then at this last stage here, heat takes over and can configure the machine. It's pretty cool. So let's move on to talk about the development process. And if you want to get the full details or ideally get involved with us and also work on it yourself, there's a full walkthrough where that link resolves too, which is our GitHub project. www.tripleo.com slash incubator slash notes. This is where we just shove all of our notes from our developers of how we set up our own development environments. It starts out with a minimal opensack cloud with the bare-metal driver enabled as I mentioned. One option is dev stack, and that should work. Another option, you could download it from here. I don't guarantee that link will work. Or rather, the link should work. I don't guarantee what you download will work. You can also build it yourself. This is under heavy, heavy development, so it may change rapidly. It may break at any time. This is our development environment. But the result of this last script here, boot elements, that builds a disk image containing an opensack cloud with bare-metal driver enabled and some of our code in there to help facilitate starting additional things. And also, we have our own CI process, our own Jenkins, so when we change what's in disk image builder, it rebuilds, and the build's available at that link. The last successful build of boot stack at that link. So after you have that downloaded or built locally, you need some VMs, some virtual machines, which will mock the hardware. They'll act like they're physical resources, but you can do all this on your laptop. I have it all on my laptop, and I don't have a whole bunch of other machines that I carry around with me, but I want to test it right here. So I can make some virtual machines by hand, and in our notes, we kind of explain what the requirements are using the E1000 network device, this much memory, whatever. We also have this cheesy little Python script that can build them for you. It's pretty small, but, you know, it's useful to automate things, right, instead of moving up a hand every time. And then you don't actually need to build your own deploy RAM disk. Both DevStack and the boot stack image will build a RAM disk for you on the fly when they start up, but you do need a cloud image, and it's... I actually have not recently tested just using a bunch of cloud image. We always customize it a little bit so you can build it, you can do the customization yourself using disk image builder, specify what architecture you want, 386 or 64-bit, and a file name, or download it, and then you put it all together. Start the boot stack VM, load the images that you downloaded or built, enroll the virtual machine with the virtual driver, that means getting its MAC address. Oh, and this test path doesn't use IPMI, right? This uses the virtual power driver, which is actually going to SSH out of the first virtual machine to your host and issue verse commands to start on top of the VMs. What if you want to test on real hardware? Well, the boot stack element or DevStack, either one, can control real hardware. Maybe not the best way, but it'll do it, good proof of concept. The only difference is going to be the networking, because both DevStack and boot stack element are using a local bridge on your laptop with pre-specified IP ranges that we know about, because they're just standard and easy to work with. But if you're using real hardware, you may have a different physical network that you need to set up in OpenStack networking and bare metal. That shouldn't be too much. But sometimes, actually, other things are different, too. Maybe you have a Mellanox card in your hardware, or a cloud image, a precise cloud image. My point, too, doesn't have Mellanox driver enabled. So you have to customize it a bit. Great. You can use Discommitter Builder to customize that and enable other drivers. Yay. So I'll talk a little bit about our plans for the Havana Cycle, just at a very high level. One of them that is really interesting, people keep asking me about, is automatic discovery. If I have a bunch of hardware, can I just use bare metal to discover it? Or if I have a running bare metal cloud and I add more hardware, could it just automatically figure it out and enroll itself? Wouldn't that be awesome? We want to do that. I'd really like to be able to do firmware management, whether that's a BIOS upgrade or do some RAID settings or whatever. Also, maybe add some plugins to support vendor add-ons. We're nowhere near that yet, but I want to do it. And lastly, high availability for the bare metal deploy node itself. Right now, there's a one-to-many relationship where one bare metal deployment node manages all the physical hardware. And if the bare metal manager goes away, no one is managing those nodes. So we want to add some HA for that. And we'll probably do that in the next few months. And it's also possible NTT is already working on it because we've talked with him a little about it. Here's some links to further reading. I will put the slides up on my Twitter feed and I have a few minutes for questions, I think. Not yet. Is there any SAN or direct SAN networking support? Not yet. There's a lot of interest. A lot of people keep asking about it. I don't think I'm going to do it. You're welcome to contribute it. Yes. Is there any way to get around stuffing my credentials somewhere else? Oh, I would love to do that. Yes. That would be easy to do right now if you were to implement a different power driver. The power driver is pluggable. So you could have an IPMI remote power driver that does that. So the question was, why are we using iSCSI to write the image instead of just having the deploy RAM disk pull it down from glance? The answer is we've thought about that and have plans to do that. And we might, in fact, do that. But even better than that, let's use BitTorrent to pull it down. 10,000 nodes at once. You're not copying the image 10,000 times from glance. It can trickle out. And they can all share with each other. So these are optimizations we want to get to. Just haven't gotten to them yet. Does glance need to have the exact hardware spectrum? Glance doesn't build the images. No, no. So we build the image. Basically it's an Ubuntu cloud image that has been slightly customized for your environment. And that gets loaded into glance. And that will... Yes, there are some hardware specificity, for example, the CPU architecture or any particular drivers that may or may not autoload, like Mellanox or some special RAID driver or PCI driver. But things like number of CPUs shouldn't make a difference. How much RAM? That should be easily portable. So the question is, why does it matter if the configuration and the hardware are mismatched? It actually doesn't matter about the hardware, but it does matter what you enrolled. So when you enroll a node, you're telling Nova this machine with this Mac address and IPMI information has these hardware specs. This much RAM, this much disk, this many CPUs.  The information you informed Nova. That has to match the flavor because the Nova scheduler is going to compare those two and will not match the node. So the question was, could bare metal support snapshots in the way virtual machines do? And then having taken a snapshot used that for further deployments. The simple answer, I think, is there's no hypervisor. How would we take a snapshot? The longer answer is, I could actually reboot into a different RAM disk which would clone the disk and load it to glance. That is not a running snapshot. That's a stop the machine in snapshot. Yes. So the question was, I had said that the compute nodes, the machines running Nova compute bare metal, could there be many of those in the same zone, each managing different hardware? And the answer is, I'm pretty confident yes, but I haven't tested it recently. In principle, yes. The important thing to know is at the moment what's in Grizzly is there's no sharing of what they manage. And if you've got 500 machines and each compute host is managing, let's say 100 of those, if that compute host goes down, no one is left managing those 100 machines. One of the features we're going to be adding hopefully soon in Havana is takeover. Yeah. Not yet. People keep asking, please add it. I'll welcome the code. The question is, when you're issuing Nova boot, can you target a specific physical machine? That would be really easy to add in a Nova API extension with a tiny little addition to the scheduler filters. Instead of saying force host, because there is already an extension for force host. But in this case, one host manages many nodes. We just have to change the force host hint to also say force host and node. It could be done. So the question was, have we tried using this to deploy an image which contains a hypervisor like KVM and then adding that back into OpenStack to deploy virtual machines into it? The answer to that is, that's exactly what we're doing. That is triple O. Using OpenStack bare metal to deploy machine images which themselves contain OpenStack compute KVM. Now right now there's a separation of clouds. One cloud can't have both bare metal and virtualized hypervisors. There are some discussions about making that support, but what you can do is use bare metal to manage the infrastructure and deploy a cloud. And then just have to talk to the second cloud through a different endpoint. Any more questions? Yes, inception, bootstrapping. I'm going to pull myself up by bootstraps. Yeah, so the goal of this is actually continuous deployment. Once you've started with the bootstrap node and that has deployed to bare metal compute nodes, those then deploy a virtualized cloud and you can just keep rolling and redeploying yourself for upgrades. Deploy a new one, take over. Deploy a new one, take over, and so on. That's the goal, yes. Right now it's a small team from HP NTTDocomo and USCISI and I welcome everybody to get involved with this. It might create a huge headache if everyone does, but come on, yeah. More than a barrier. And I think I'm just about out of time. Thank you.