For the wickening Starring Jonathan That was my favorite part of a movie when he said it's John in time and then he John'd all over the assassins What does it mean to John on someone? Oh, that's I don't know if we can say that on on YouTube. Well, I feel like a urination thing I'm gonna use you as a John. Oh, yeah. Alright.  She's called that because everyone pisses on her The strange element of the Grinch movies, I don't seen many Grinch stuff Made what I remember Jim Carrey one, right? It's like There's the original The original that was made like the 50s Uh-huh Let me check the original Grinch movie was in no 1966 And that was the oh That was like 300 years ago damn. I know Boris Karloff was the narrator Good old Boris was Chuck Jones who did the animation for that? I'm not sure but Yeah, then there was the the Jim Carrey one There was the recent one Recent ish one. I think Benedict Cumberbatch was the Grinch you you've seen that any clip Yeah, that's the illumination one. I saw it. I was fine. Yeah, I'm fine. Okay. That's all right Is illumination gonna fix up its reputation with Mario? Do you reckon? I don't know I mean, I think I think probably I think they're probably I think that The Mario movie is gonna be responded to well, but like I'm so curious whether or not that film is gonna be like actually like like good or just fine Maybe it'll be bad. I I'm I don't think I'm there anymore. I think it's gonna be the worst. I think it's gonna be okay But I don't know there's gonna be anything more than that. I'll flip flopping Fringy over here Maybe I'll be the yeah, what what what crazy me changing my opinion is more information That's a sign of a weak mind. Yes, or a lack of spine or both no spine in your brain. I was told you can't change ever That's right. You're not allowed to change your opinion when you receive like information that would lead you to change your opinion Yep, it just means that you don't stand for anything.  It's only a few days away Yeah, well we got resident evil next week, okay Mario Jesus It's gonna be interesting to see the Mario movie very quickly clip box office of an ant man Cuz I think it will I think this one's gonna be a million dollars. I Think it's gonna be really successful Um, how's the marketing been you guys seen it in lots of places? I Keep seeing ads. I think they've got like toys and stuff around the place like Like Happy Meal toys and merchandise and stuff. Oh that'll do it ever make like you think I'll ever make games Like I'll be cool adaptations of the movie make like Mario games. I mean, I don't think that's ever gonna happen How would it even work? What is to make a game of it's just some guy? It's like an Italian plumber and overalls, but he's in this mushroom realm and There's gonna say he's kind of or he's on in a big like big turtle. Who's angry? Do you see the problem getting cars? It's not about real the real question is is they're gonna be a post credit scene for the film with a warrior and Waluigi That's all my real question. Oh place your bets. I Know I feel like that I feel like that actually might be exactly what it's gonna be is gonna be war Doesn't seem unheard of Well, it's just you got Bowser, right now You could do what the game's doing just haven't been Bowser every time But I mean they're probably gonna make a sequel aren't they like and this this film's probably gonna make a lot of money They're probably already writing or setting up everything for the sequel Part of the reason why this film exists is because like Universal like you know, like there's a Disney world There's like a universal equivalent and they've got like a big like Mario Portion for it. So like that seems to be Some deal between Nintendo and Universal and I imagine that they'd want to keep it going for as long as possible Like I don't know.  They'll have that sit down. They'll be like listen You guys want any more characters to have some movies and then they're like do you have any they're like Boy, what if what if the Mario movie opens the floodgates for like Nintendo based films. Oh boy That would go wrong new cringe films I mean the thing is is that Nintendo is often like quite protective of their stuff Yeah, but if they see a lot of money, they might be like hmm Well, I guess I guess what we look at with like the Mario movie is that the Mario movie in particular Like would definitely signal that we're in the era. We're like they're going to I Don't know if there's if we can say like for sure that they they're gonna actually adapt like the material of the stories of games faithfully But they're definitely gonna use the iconography like we're there where at that point now where they're not like they're not running away from that Like stuff like Mortal Kombat still felt like it was kind of like it's kind of like Sonic the Hedgehog Like you're still a little bit too scared to like fully embrace the games like for what they are But I think we're past that at this point Like this film doesn't seem like it's doing a lot of the things that a lot of old video game adaptations do where they like Really run away from the material They're like well, I guess we use the name but like we're changing all of this like it's got all of the iconography It's got all of the characters and everything. I mean who knows what it's actually gonna like be in terms of a story But it seems like that's where we're at now And you know the last of us being like pretty faithful Especially by comparison to a lot of other yeah video game adaptations in the past Yeah, I mean there's and there's they're on the way Coming out and that's gonna have shadow the hedgehog in it. So, you know, I'm gonna be there wasn't that one I'm just like the first and second. I will be there to ask ringy. Was it or it was a cringe? Oh Well, that that one will probably be that one will probably be self-aware that'd be my guess They'll be like hyper self-aware about are they not all to some degree or? The the the first two films are more like Marvel self-aware Which I don't know if I would describe as like, you know This the self-aware that it might be would like shout at the hedgehog like they're not like sonic boom self-aware Okay, that's what I'd say. I don't know if anybody here's what sonic boom That show is very aware of what it is and like the sonic world and like what people think of sonic Well, it's kind of funny right because we may be doing Coverage that Mario movie depends on what we're dealing with and but before that will have to do Resident Evil 4 But before that we'll have to do a movie called John Wick And it's kind of funny that it's like movie game and then movie game Again It's it's it's the whole gamut. I guess I Was thinking we should probably talk a little bit about John Wick as it is the thing It's been mentioned on a lot of other times covering a lot of other things And it's just this shocking perspective to a lot of people like ain't all the John Wick's awesome And then it's like John Wick one's really cool. Yes On what one's good. Yeah, I liked John Wick one. That was a neat movie. I like that I like that first John Wick movie. That was them. They just fun. I'm making them kept on Making them the bad But the perspective is that they've been improving I think That's how people view the series overall is that they're improving But why? Well, it's like what's the appeal of the first one why why did people think it was neat and it's just like well It was really really straightforward and simple to understand and the action was clean And you could really get behind that main badass Guy who had to work pretty hard to get the things he needed to get to get revenge for a real cute and happy little puppy But ultimately represented a lot more than just a good friend slash innocent animal Was the connection he had to his wife who was the reason he was able to escape his previous life as an assassin It was like, oh, that's that's a real solid little story you got there And then you get some things you're like those action scenes neat stylish action To compliment it. Well that that really is what you're there for but like at the very least There's a story that's worthwhile to connect it all together You get the the soundtrack then as well and like a stylish bit of lighting work being done in a lot of different sequences and then of course the Crazy idea of hey, what if the world was like, you know Assassin friendly in a lot of ways and there's just so many assassins the whole world of assassins When I think from the first one you may have inferred It's just a particular area that presents itself not as an assassin place But uses very special currency and language in order for the people who know Get shit done and the people who don't just be like, I don't know if this is a normal place where normal things happen Don't worry about it And then of course like the interaction with the cop in the first one where it sort of implies that the assassins are So prevalent and widespread that there's even some level of communication with the law enforcement or at least an understanding of They have business you leave it alone Probably the kind of thing you get maybe between cops and like the highest Powerful levels of the mafia that certain points in history Just be like you don't fuck with us.    It's actually what they play right at the beginning of the film Yeah, yeah, yeah We see the end first sort of then he he goes to patch himself up.  Is it John Wick 2 you gave it into the concierge or something?  Yeah by that guy that new guy who was never mentioned Even though he had like Well, so this thing right Mechanic I in no way think that John Wick 1 is some kind of masterpiece. I think it's really solid. I enjoy it It's fun. Yeah, I like it.  I No longer believed this was a skilled assassin.  That's the point. It's supposed to be a big ol absurdity Little nonsense action movie never really was the first one really wasn't absurd And all the reasons that it was so so good what it seemed quite believable and it seemed like oh Yeah, this is like a human at like the the best a human could be kind of this is a guy Who's Insanely good at what he does and the way that he acts and the way that he behaves Kind of you know it makes me buy into it makes me believe it But I guess it's it's far easier to just write your characters to have insane plot armor And they started Start stapling things on and they never stopped they just keep doing it every single movie and in this case it was Yeah crazy like things that are gonna be super relevant to the plot that just would never the case before like just didn't exist Nor was there any implication that they did he's leaving he's done He's done his stuff.  Oh, it has to be so basically what happened apparently If we believe the movie so the the the Antonio guy he comes back to John's like hey Sorry about your wife.  Yeah, something like that. It's essentially he traded one life debt for another pretty much. Yeah Well, but it never would have been cashed if not for him coming back into the business or something That's what he says. That's what he says. We only have his word Which is bullshit anyway, why even bother if you'd never wanted to put it out anyway And then John like outright declining it, which is yeah, because he Like he can't just do that even though he should know better because he if you watch three He made one of those deals with Halle Berry. Yeah, he cashes in one of those markers for himself, which is kind of funny You should have just had a hair assassinate the table bed, but yeah To put pull it around it's it's insane Yeah, it's just you have to think about this because if you I can understand you want someone like John wake on in your back pocket I guess but you don't want a John wake that just retired and just hangs out at home with his wife Not doing anything like he's probably not gonna be as good When you cash in this thing, I know ten years from now.  We cut to the whale Room it's John Wick now To have us as go I just want to read essays and eat pizza Say that the whole premise of him having made that deal is Bizarre and it's incredibly stupid, but they like shut off the second.  It's like fine. I guess I'll allow it. Let's move on What happens next John declines and then his whole house blows up and you're like I Know now to window or something. Yes. It's I think it's in a dairy Grenades and the whole house starts to fire and explodes and he and the dog get like propelled out of the window But they're both fine. It's no worries.  Hey, can you tell?   Why would I do that?  We're cool now, then he leaves with his total car now by the way I remember that scene being shockingly like he's hyper incompetent in it gets himself run over several times because that's just something John does these days. We'll get to that. Oh, yeah, this is where the running over John with a car meme starts and he's like mostly fistfighting everybody to oh Yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you can see he has a gun that's no he just uses gun at some point It's like oh you had a gun this whole time.  And go you go okay well and ruby roses his personal bodyguard is she Vega was in the first one, right? Oh, I didn't mix them up. Okay. Yeah, sorry Whoever the second one guys and then yeah, but meanwhile, he's also got that other guy chasing him I forget what his name is while he's in loser stuff They have a little stairs sequence, but yeah The subway thing was was where I was just like so John Wick is destroyed as a Potential of the first one's dead They're walking through like a crowded place trying to shoot at each other While I was walking around and nobody like notices or cares It's quite amazing how much damage it does all at once because you're like I thought it was cool. It's like do you really think John Wick would do that?   I think it's okay gun Cuz I mean what we see in this film is like a big change to what I think we all thought the world was We thought it was a world where like there was There was this world of assassins that existed and was organized and big But like not the whole world Not like that it was actually the world that seems to have a complete awareness of it Like that everybody in the world seems to know it exists and isn't different to it. Yeah Yeah, I mean sort of exemplified both that that last scene in the film, right? Everyone gets the message like here's the bounty It's like, oh, that's a lot of people and don't even get me started on the hobo assassins, dude Oh, yeah, that was intensely insane Yeah Normal hobo's cubs like was that?  I didn't even see three straight away I think I talked to because free you went to see it right and then I was like I went to see it and then I told you like how baffled I was when he like jumped off the roof of the Continental and survived.  I think that was like, I'm like totally done at this point Like I just I don't care anymore Once any any meaningful real investment. I might have had in John Wick like yeah That's all about uh, John Wick 2 introduce the body armor jackets. Oh, oh the body I hate them very gradually John Wick turn from like a really sort of like cool action like world Oh God, yeah, I yeah when I saw that that's still picture. It's just John Wick. Yeah, I'm just like God Yeah, the John Wick is set in like a fantasy universe is in like an actual fantasy world Where like human beings are more durable than they are in reality Indestructible set in a crazy science fiction world where like you have a suit and like when you hold up The flap of the suit and you can see that it's visibly like a flappy fabric of a suit It just deflects the bullets with sparks coming out.   You see this stuff and you're like funny I there there were the yeah, like I don't even know The slide doesn't come back on that pistol when he's shooting because it's all CGI That was blackboarder s it's worse than the black widow one. Yeah, blackboarder's one is more survivable than this Yes.  Oh, yeah, it looks pretty bad Yeah, they had to do with a CGI. Yeah, right like I should tell you something About this is like obviously We can't have a killer stunt man for this movie Yeah I think with John Wick the first John Wick that was cool was a rag said it. He was he was highly competent, but he wasn't invincible Um, he makes a few mistakes in that film but like he's But but it's like he's so good Within the bounds of a human being that he's kind of scary right to his adversaries Um, but he was like a guy. He was very much a person And gradually as the John Wick films went along he became less and less of a human and more of like a superhero It just in terms of like what he can do Um And like the vulnerability of like an action hero's that that can be super valuable I mean why is John McLean like part of what makes him so endearing is that he is like out of his depth That he is vulnerable. He gets hurt. It's really hard. Like it's really really difficult for him Um, but he you know, like he fights his way to success Um, and even even like John McLean, right? There are things that happen to him that he probably shouldn't survive but like nothing It's not it ain't it ain't like what's been happening would show no no Jump it out of a jump it off the top of the intercontinental and surviving the fall and then doing the same thing again in in four Twice the suit is real. They actually made it on youtube Um, so if if you would have given me a John Wick series where they had bulletproof fabric It's like, okay. You have bulletproof fabric. Okay. So what happens Would be that every time you get hit with a bullet in that bulletproof fabric That would hurt an insane amount You'd have a massive bruise It would it would you would just be like oh the the pain would be insanely bad You know, it would stop the bullet from going into you But you might have Potentially you might have a broken bone or something depending on what you're hit with Especially because of the pain of it Yeah, and the day afterwards like you would be sore beyond belief that kind of energy That's hitting you and being transferred into your body. Of course.  There is a reason why i'm bringing up this here, right? So what I like about this is the it goes wrong his plan in the club It doesn't go quite as well as he wants it to he's done a really good job Right up until he has it almost exactly what he wants, but he's just is he spotted He's spotted by like some guy who's walking around And it makes him fight early the guy rushes off and a lot of this is improvised as a result And he's doing his best he can and like he nearly gets a shot on him Then he sees the bearded guy coming through so he gets him and when recovering from the bearded guy fight You get the the main sort of subordinate dude who turns up possibly like the most talented of all the uh The people he fights in this movie Yeah Um and he gets two shots on him center of mass and it hits his the jacket like the actual Yeah, if you see him put it on And so that feels to me much more satisfying because it's like yeah, you block those because you have that But it pushes him down and he's struggling like after that Well, this this prevents him from getting the guy he gets away now like it's he can't get him now um It's actually one of my it's another one of those like gun things that this film really the films Films constantly get gun stuff wrong a lot of it's for cinematic reasons A lot of it's probably because they just don't know or a lot of it's because of It was like we saw the winston shooting him on the roof How the the gun slide doesn't come back because it's just all cg'd and everything But um, we'll talk about this in john wick four when we get well, you know Let's just talk about in john wick four when we get to it. So yeah, let's just let's just carry on along Someone just said why can't muller accept it's an alternative world It feels like you're not even listening to the complaint like not even at all Yeah, we no we're fine with alternative worlds.  Yeah, I'm sorry But one is what the films are based on this is the first film. They're making sequels to it They've already established a bunch of rules.  Why does only john wick get him?  Oh, yeah Nice So um Yeah, I I don't think I've ever seen a character in all of fiction who had more plot armor than john wick I think across the three essentially the three movies After the first the plot armor has gotten so over the rails And he's just indestructible and the plot has willed that he will always survive and make it out Well, previously it would have been The mandalorian was one that we used we would uh reference. Um, but this kind of outclasses mando Um, oh, yeah, we're talking like hundreds of men shooting thousands of bullets at this man and they all miss all they hit is literal plot armor I would be curious if you went through and you counted all of the shots that were taken at john wick considering that he's you know, um Yeah, he's alive If you counted the sparks how many times sparks hit their suit and you compared it to how many times the best guard deflected uh Deflected uh lost. Yeah, because I even though even though mando is a television show. I'm pretty sure it would be less Well, I think it's actually on that note, uh, we can begin talking about john wick four But before we do I'm gonna remind everybody we're breaking this down as a story And we'll often talk about how the action works as well. So characters Will building rules plot progression That's what's happening If you think that this film is um a parody of action and thus shouldn't be treated this way Or that you think you're taking it way too seriously when you should be sitting back and enjoying it Or that it looks great and it feels great and we shouldn't care about the consistency of the writing That's fine. I don't know why you're here though It's not a really our thing. Yeah Something that is worth adding though because you can see it where it's like Oh, I'm just going into it as like a fun action movie. That is one thing and that would be one thing but like These films get like reviewed very well like Like these films get reviewed incredibly well like as stories Yeah Not just as action films like john wick four has got a 78 on metacritic.  They'd be like no No, we tried to No, I don't think that's what it's meant to be Um But um, the other thing is probably with mentioning is 60 out of medicare like wow people saying yes Okay, fine, but it is still a lot better than everything else is coming out these days. No And what's funny about that is like well Uh Those oscars man, you know, he's like well, there's quite a few good movies in there I don't know that was you've got some good last year gets a really good stuff out actually Yeah, but are they've all been on on the mind recently? Yeah, and and and I guess and we're only talking about like big budget like action films I guess so but um, but I mean all of the compliments that I would levy for john wick are like Style like cinematography lighting stuff like that Soundtrack, but like I'm happy to concede on a really cool, but there's a lot of movies that are those things that are really really cool Well, yeah, like Marvel films might look like shit, but there are a lot of other like avatar avatar looked incredible But like damn the script like geez That's the thing. Uh, I mean we talk about interstellar is one of those big examples of you know, really great acting And a great soundtrack and it just it tries to pull so hard for that story And with the care, you know the actual characters themselves happens all the time And if you can see past some of the and I would say that the action In two three and four is really not good at all I was not at all enjoying the action scenes and how they Played out and what happens in them at all Um, well we can talk about that as we go because that's gonna sound Oh, we will we like an insane perspective until we manage to break these things down And that's kind of how I feel about this whole movie. It's just like Let's go through it slowly now instead of watching it all happen real quick and You know some of this stuff. You don't remember some of this stuff You don't know whether or not makes even any sense. It's like well we can Summarize it and then talk about it and compare it with the stories that have been told before After doing the ones it's based on It's gonna be great. I'm gonna I'm gonna love it because okay. I've got my notes already Don't look chapter four All right, which by the way was all the evidence you needed that this is not the last john wick Chapter four part one the final chapter Resurrection maybe It starts out the john wick five begins with a shot of just an arm reaching up from the ground Grave stone great. That's just john's house where he lives And he just lives down there now So well, you know, it's not quite that cringe the opening right, but it's still not not fantastic. We have uh, laurence fishburne Walking the the the hobo king. He's he's walking toward john's. That's where we left off john was thrown off a building as you just saw And he's been recuperating recharging almost uh in the sewers with the hobo king and he's reciting the um the poem It's uh, it's it's to do with the dantes inferno. Yeah, yeah, it is guys.  Um, this movie made me cringe at laurence fishburne Um, so we're already off to a pretty darn good start where he's just like walking down the alleys and the little little What are the little tunnels saying all this stuff and this voice like what are we doing? This is like With being like the king here. He is john.  We'll just do another take real quick Just try to do it.  I'm just immediately like Why is this happening? Immediately in my brain, it's oh, there's a bounty on you and you just travel to wherever this is Yeah, he's got Table looking for him The bounty is what 10 million Seven million at that point seven million. Okay. Yeah, let's give it take three million, you know Who cares about that at that point? I mean it goes up considerably over the movie, but uh, It's like it was seven now Give the benefit of the doubt metal that that all made total sense He got there and he's just he's just say and he kills them all and we find out pretty quickly He's there for the uh for the elder who isn't the elder from the previous movie and that's already a little bit confusing Yeah, because he apparently died Yeah, yes, um, and john scorpions out there dehydration heat stroke He's got no like coverage at all. He's just sitting on the thing Because the previous elder had a tent you're right Yeah, but Because they didn't spring for a tent for this one. No Well, do we talk about him just like chasing random guys and horses and shooting them? That's well, I I I don't know what else to say about that. It's such a just random like here you go This is happening and it's like, okay The reason why that was thrown in was because the first like proper action scene in the film is a while away Yeah, it's like half an hour from then so they have to have something Well, but here's also the problem with john just finding the elder It was like a big deal in three that he had to like go into the desert and he maybe gets found by the elder if he's lucky And he had to I remember that. Yeah They only had to survive on helly berry spit water As like Jesus Christ, we'd all do that. Uh, yeah, okay And then he goes there and gets found but now he just I don't know finds three of them Which are apparently also his only guard like that's the elder's security because there's no one else there except the elder Yeah, just riding around and then he goes up there. It's like, hello. I want my ring back, please He says uh, my ring my freedom like I think is he there to clarify whether or not he's free from the table being Leave me with him. I don't know From what I gathered he just wants to go around and kill the people who wronged him now I was gonna go over that.  Yeah Yeah, well because it like we've said in john wick one there was a clear sort of uh, there was a clear goal that he had um, like a very clearly defined goal pretty much ever since two it sort of feels like he's He's just kind of like around and like his goal is a lot more vague other than to continue living. I suppose Which like I guess there's that But as a motive that seems to oscillate between like getting revenge on like The high table or getting revenge on that that dude and in two who betrayed him But like at this point, where's he at? You know, and how does his white factor into all of this? It's kind of like a question on your mind. It was nice that they remember. She existed in this movie briefly Yeah, okay Yes, uh, so It seems to me that he was because he he's there Seemingly from that dialogue to find out what his current state is with the high table because the guy says Your ring is gone like the elder before me Which first of all is like that they way of trying to clarify like yeah, I know I'm a different elder We couldn't get the other one. Yeah, okay.  What do we do?  Well, I get paid, right? I get paid, right?   None of us can escape who we are No one can escape the table the only way that you can reach peace is in death And he says I know Like oh, okay, and then he says you've come here for uh for nothing And he says, yeah Not really and then shoots him. Yeah So there's no one else here except the other again, by the way Yeah, there was just a three force thing. I'm sure he killed all the other gods We didn't see that part This is a three. They were just really good. That's why they ran away from john and got shot It's not way for the kawaii force character You have to address the fact that that's that's let's we're sowing the seeds of a theme maybe for uh, John Wick well not even maybe I think that is what they're going for I hope you like those words because you're gonna hear him over. Everyone's got an opinion on death in this movie This is the last chapter. Okay guys, maybe not really one. No Well, this film has made the most money out of like at least it's making money the fastest. I don't like more Um, so yeah, he kills him and as to if you wanted to ask why the best I can guess is he just Fucking is annoyed at the high table So he's he's gonna kill that guy because that guy is an extension of them. It's like, okay We don't ever meet the high table people, do we? We don't know the only one member, right? And that's the sister That was the sister and technically sentino after because he gets the gets by default He gets the table in two But we they both dead after so we don't know who is at the table right now Okay, there you go.  I remember that. Yep. I was about to say I'd like to remember that John at the Antonio is not only currently sitting at the table The highest position you can have from what I understand unless they make something else up I don't know if the elder is actually above or below.   Sorry Don't be john rick's friend. He kills you. Oh, there's actually points to make about that. Yeah, uh In any case there's a good reason they showed us that opening because it's it's gonna have big consequences Which is actually kind of why we're probably going to return to it a couple of times But we'll get to the consequences first Clancy brown is here.  That sounds really one of those It's one of those things that you hear. Yeah, that's one of those things. Oh, what did they call the other one in three? I completely forgot Oh the girl check. Yeah the Someone in chat might remember Uh, I can't remember. Uh, yeah, she had one of those titles too and I forget what the hell it was um, it It wasn't negotiator or judicator judicator. Yeah Yeah judicator Anyway, uh, she's not in this movie by the way. Oh, no, she's No, yeah, she lived to the end of the third one, but she's not in this one at all Got a new guy. I only assume that she's off. I'm sure john kill do live in somewhere.  I thought you might be like a veteran assassin man But it's like no, he works the high table and he's more business related and saying, okay, cool. That's fine It's well getting on. You know, maybe he has talking roles now is more than action roles and that's okay It's all right. I don't need to see mr. Krabs killing everybody, but I'd like to that's all that's all I'm saying um, and then You know, I'm seriously going into this movie good faith. I'm like, all right. Give me a story I'm already like, you know a little bit unimpressed, but that's fine. You know, this could be the one that we have plenty of Movie time left. It's back. Oh plenty of time lots of time lots and lots of time so much time Why don't you put the movie in the background anymore? bro Joe mc4 is in theaters. I don't know what you mean Yeah, I don't even know how we saw it. Oh, yeah, that's right. I I got I got guys I gotta I gotta be real with y'all We gotta do something about my pay because I have I have to keep flying to india to see these movies And boy, it's really really hitting the it's really hitting the pocketbook having to go fly to india and back to see these movies um God I've oh Maybe maybe, you know, if I went to one ex bet and I I got really lucky. Maybe I wouldn't need maybe I wouldn't need it, but Oh boy, I'm gonna be in the poor house and so um It's it's kind of funny. So like I said, I was just I was sitting there paying attention I was like, all right, let's do it and then mr. Hobbins your classy brown man He's like by order of the marquee.  Like it's cool because it's kind of like old and strange You wouldn't normally see that he orders his meal And then when the waiter leaves he gets out the big hour glass and puts it on the table I'm timing you like It would be awful if you were but that's every like When he goes to bed at night, he takes an hour glass and he puts it on the night stand He has to have a special one. That's like eight hour glass So that it gives him a nice bit of sleep Then the last of the sand filters through and it's just silent because it's an hour glass and he sleeps through it And if someone is highlighted, it's not even the official hour glass that one's in the guy's office I don't know if there were two hour glass How did they synchronize them? Did they know to flip them over at the right time? Just at exactly the right time. Yeah I just thought it was it's just funny that they keep doing shit like that I don't know if uh, if winston took the one he left there over to that office Passed it to them. They put it into the room before they got there. That's how there's a section Uh, just just grab it.  Like why would shot him? It was shot him many times, but never not in the head. It was all in the chest area Definitely died from that fall except he didn't uh, yeah, of course because I mean just in case on the on the off chance that he was able to survive Um, you would have checked for a body of course to make sure you know that uh and uh Do clearly charon is like can they do this and winston says the decree is signed by all 12 The marquee is now our judge jury And it's implied executioner. So yeah, just like so he can just And I'll I'll just say it for the sake of people who haven't seen it yet. You're just like condemning a hotel I assume that means everyone has to leave or that it can no longer You know function as currently is and and even says like evacuate.  It's curious. It's curious right strange. I wonder what they mean interesting choice. Yeah um, yeah, and so winston and charon ahead into the uh The meeting with uh, the marquis who's the new bad guy of this film and who we get an intro to and and I guess before then, um Winston is talking about what ned kelly's final words are because such is life And so I think the implication of course is that he thinks he's about to die especially if the hotel's been condemned and uh Sharon says you will not die today and he says you shouldn't even be here my friend. It will not be pleasant And he says such is life like oh man, somebody's dying going on this kind of dialogue without it and uh Yeah, as they enter the room you see another hourglass and I just thought that was funny again. I get yeah I can't not see it in law flip them over at the right time um, so marky man he's uh Bill scos God is that Yeah, yeah, uh who played the clown in it. That's basically what I know him from Um, he's in some other stuff. I just don't know that I've seen it. He's uh, he's an actor. He's fine. I don't know But the character that is playing is an absolute clown. Yeah, I don't like the character, but it's the same character we had Yeah, I was going to say it's joe mctoo's character guy. It's pretty much him Yeah, they're pretty much the same.  I that's what I thought because like they weren't in for it all And why haven't they been used before? Why haven't they been? Yeah, why was the adjudicator used instead of the marquee? Well, yeah, the marquee seems to be like well I was about to say they seem like more well equipped, but it doesn't matter. They all still If I remember correct, it's been a while since I covered genre three, but uh The adjudicator pretty much had all those resources as well. She was able to pretty much I think assassin squad in there or like a soldier squad in there. It did seem like she could do anything she wanted I think But I'll say this guy has a power that I was very much unaware anyone would have the power to But we'll get there where it was seconds away And uh, he does I guess kind of introduce himself by saying he believes in rules and consequences and not second chances So that's that's just bullshit.  Yeah That's the way he says as well second chances are the refuge of man who fail It's like oh, but you gotta understand. It's all it's all see it's all foreshadowing. It's all It's him I quite I I guess I quite hate this conversation and it's gonna be difficult for me to explain why so you start with the marquis saying And he needs to he needs to explain what's going on obviously because we're like Why why have the new york people been fucked over and he says There are those on the table who blame this atrocity And by this atrocity is referring to the elder's execution by john wick in the prologue But I guess it's that it had boiled three horsemen He says that atrocity is blamed on new york.  The first thing you think and this is what winston responds with is that it's like Well, we tried to kill john wick the last our interaction.  I missed or you shoot them in the leg and you're like i'm just you know, really bad at aiming Oh, no, yeah, um, in fact, they do it in john wick three I think he shoots the doctor right and he he points exactly where he wants him to shoot him so that it won't kill him I think um that's something that happens and Yeah, I guess what i'm getting at is there's ways to do that but What winston did like you can't argue that that was an attempt to not kill john Well, I don't know the fact that he kept shooting him over and over and his clearly bulletproof suit not in the head at all That's that's the thing that would be it that would work except for the fact that he pushed him so far He fell off the roof and to his death Like not even winston can argue that he like can you picture winston being like he'll be fine. It's like no No, he's that he's that they had this cgi person because it's just not survivable It's not winston's fault. Yeah, and that's this is what I mean you can't actually blame him even though I believe winston didn't want john dead even but now it just causes us problems like why did you do that? Yeah, exactly like no matter which way you cut it there are problems Yeah, like none of this works So the idea that the mark he is like I blame you for john wick and new york because of what you've done It's like the last thing they did was give the best attempt at killing john out of everyone So that doesn't really line up um Anyway, he says he lives and he's polluting everything he touches and it's like okay So this is definitely about john wick specifically then from what the mark he has just said And so charon says Look, none of us are above the rules the continental's and their management are a reminder to all that we are not above the rules Which is a really weird thing to start off with. I don't know how to do with john wick Like yeah, what rule Is he's referring to specifically about health? Well, so that's the thing, right? He's not done yet And so it's like okay. Okay. I'm sure he's gonna make this make sense He then says john wick and he goes on to say something else, but he's cut off by the mark He says we're not here because of john wick It's like yeah, we are That's almost exclusively why all of this is happening You just said that john wick is the reason that the table have done this to the new york Uh continental. I have no idea why he said that This conversation's already just like we're just going places It feels like he made it clear that it was about john wick as well Um, and then he says john wick is simply the face of your failure, mr. Manager And the sand in the glass is merely an echo of my remaining patience And again, I want to clarify winston is the closest anyone has come to killing john wick He's come the closest All of the other thousands of people failed Well, I guess vigo in the first one actually almost killed him Oh, when he's he's did stab him didn't he but no, I don't think that's that's still not as far as close as uh, winston winston is the closest With that fall the only person that comes closer than winston.  Who's this john wick guy? I could be rich if I kill him And yeah, so it's like If it's not john and it's just your failure in a general sense Is he talking about the fact that he would have housed john wick in any way helped him or the fact that um As someone was shot on continental grounds, which is not something you can necessarily stop You can make rules against it and punishments i.e shooting john wick until he falls off a rooftop Unless they're talking about the defense of the continental that whole scene. This is what I mean I'm just like i'm not sure entirely just kill winston if you don't trust him at this point. I'm just confused. I know You seem like the type. All right. You seem like the type In any case, it's not just winston that they have an issue with like he said at the beginning.  The whole thing goes like the Within hours notice in new york So Kind of remember how we were talking about the first john wick and how was how there was this kind of relationship between the the police departments Of the you know of the world it seems and this this criminal organization And there was this we don't bother us.  There was this understanding that they both kind of operated Because almost all of the crime that's going to take place in the world is going to be of course dealt with by No police officers and law and it's a typical, you know, law enforcement and then you have all the the assassin stuff That's its own little thing You cannot blow up a building in downtown new york city and not have there be this massive Government investigation on the state and federal level Um, this is nonsense and it's dumb and it completely destroys any remaining If there was any investment in this idea that this kind of a world could exist sort of parallel Now it's like This world is the only world that there is there is only the world of the assassins There is no normal world with regular people in it Not like what we saw in the first film where it was that police officer shows up. It's just like oh, hey, john Yeah Yeah, I'll just leave you to it, buddy Like that kind of thing where it's like, yeah, I don't want to I don't want to deal with this It's like no the whole world like is just this world of assassins It has to be And this is you'll this will be an issue throughout the movie is that there are never Law enforcement just don't exist anymore Whenever there is gunshots or these massive fights and these these insane long drawn out, you know action sequences in public The police never get involved the police never show up These happen in public places people just don't react anymore Remember how in john wick won in the club shoot out like people are reacting to john wick being there shooting people Yeah, and there's people that want to get shot The same scene just has people dancing in the background while bullets are flying all around the place because nobody reacts to this world Or like the danger that it might place them in Yeah, and people tried to go with the whole like no no it can make sense it can it's like okay The announcement that this place was going to be demolished in an hour Was a surprise to winston and everybody in that building The idea that they could ever have prepared the building surrounding it or the civilians surrounding it for this thing And nobody in the continental knew about it Like what i'm trying to say is There would have had to have been a public announcement that this building's being demolished And that they would have to make Dream bit of room I don't even know where to begin But how this would have to be done in order for it to pass officially in any way shape or form Yeah, it's almost like they aren't in the real world anymore Do you think if I talk to like the director the writer or any of the actors and said so this is set like in an alternate Bizarro world right like or like some fantasy world or purgatory or something they would all say Yeah, obviously when the continental got blown up after an hour That should have been a big clue that when we're setting like a crazy fantasy world fever dream Do you think that's what they'd say? People made this argument in favor of tlj through like this is a different crazy fantasy world where anything can happen Yes, I think they would I don't think so but no way we can disagree on that one Yeah, there's no way they would they want this to be a part of the real world I mean every place they go is real is eiffel tower stuff It's also people and doing stuff. I I think the whole point Of this organization was was that it existed in tandem with the rest of the real world just sort of underneath it Um, oh, maybe I got myself clear I don't just think it's an impossibility that they could get this thing done And it would have insane consequences for the high table and everyone else.  It's like well from a business standpoint. I mean it's like well buildings I mean we can blow them up but They can be used for something else, you know and also for for a guy who talks about rules and stuff You would think that he would have a perspective on like institutions versus the people within institutions Like you get the impression that if he talks about like rules and stuff and how important it is He respects institutions or believes that they are valuable But the people who defy those institutions are the ones who need to be gotten rid of So you could just still have the continental in new york with the rules that they were meant to be enforcing at the beginning But people who would actually enforce them Unless you believe that nobody in new york would do it and it's like oh, well, it's a new york mindset I don't know get someone who isn't from new york can get him in like The world exists There are other people out there who would probably take on the job of the new york continental And I mean isn't this really bad for all of the people who are part of this society Who live in new york that have no like safe ground that they can meet on to like do deals and stuff How does this not like cause chaos in new york for this assassin world? You just can't just do this with an hour That you can do it with an hour's notice is not great Imagine if there's some assassins in there who were in there because they had a problem They were dealing with it's like one hour to get out and they get out and they will get By like some rival gang because they have no safe haven and that's what I was trying to get at I thought it was a bit of a jump to kill winston, but I could buy that Like I'm like, okay fine. You want to kill him fine Um, but then it's like no we're gonna blow up the whole building Which I can't think of any reason to do that and they think when they wrote this And it's good enough to say the table blame new york. They hate this city. They've indulged it long enough It's like what the fucky what even though it is very specifically that john wick Like he was mad about things that happened to him personally But no that means the whole city is worthless new york one of the most important cities in the world And may I remind you how many how many assassins were around in two and three york?  We hate it now because we didn't like john wick John wick specifically went out to go kill that guy in the desert. It's a show of force for anyone who helps john I guess. What is that what?  Yeah But because all the people in the hotel, they don't know anything about it.  Why blow up the hq? What are the yeah Just replace management. Why did you do this? And the answer is it feels big That's a big thing to do the continental's been in all three movies seeing it blow up in the fourth one. That's big The big thing to have happen Significant and there's some people saying this is all happening because the uh the guy was killed in the continental in the second movie unfortunately, uh koji Confirms in about 10 minutes time the reason this is all happening is because john killed the elder at the beginning of this film Yeah, yeah, it doesn't actually seem to have anything to do with the stuff that was happening in two and three Yeah Which which is weird when really the only reason why any of this is happening is because of that guy in two Like he is the most important character in the john wick world because like he creates the majority of the story Um more so than the dog did in the first film It's uh, I just uh That arbitrary kill he had at the beginning about one elder who wasn't even the elder that he talked to it was some other elder Like he's a different elder that he even said for the rest of the elders though You came here for nothing and he's like nah I could at least kill you and it's like why and all that's done now is get the continental destroyed As well as the elder even says there's going to be someone who replaces me Yeah, there's like The rest of the movie isn't john wick hunting down the high table or all of the elders It's basically running away from the marquee until he can kill him Yeah, like it it totally changes from what I thought was going to be happening and for which was the high table But they just throw in this new guy to be the villain Maybe because they thought that it was actually too insane to have john wick succeed in like destroying the high table Because even I realized like you couldn't destroy that kind of institution this We're just gonna have like a big old war with the hobo assassins and john wick and maybe they go and hire some more people that have You know gripes with the high table for whatever reason Oh, they'll be way better to like actually, you know recruit That's another thing these films never like to do This this poster i've got on screen right now. It's clearly fan made and can you see who they think is going to be in John wick four they got hallie berry of the girl the bad guy girl from episode the third chapter It's like nope. Neither are they ever here Like that's strange. You're like, yeah Instead we've got a bunch of new characters new friends new old friends that we've never heard of before that are super important to the Bloodline just keep popping up your company the new old rules that would have ended these stories like Dead in their tracks if anybody had mentioned them in like three Yeah, well, yeah, we'll go over how each new edition fucks up all the ones before it But it doesn't care each of these movies do not care about the previous ones They're moving on so, uh He then says, um You're no longer new york You are nothing your ex communicado and as such you no longer need the service of a concierge and he shoots lancer edex character Presumably in the heart as well. He's he's pretty much out and it's just like um Why Yeah, the thing is I know exactly why he does make it clear and I've got it I just want to I just want that to sit for a little bit of just why Why why why would you shoot the guy who's got like Nothing to do with any of this other than like serving on the phones as far as you know I don't even think they know he was shooting with john wick in the uh In the in the in the continental and he supports winston and everything he does So isn't it winston you want to kill isn't isn't that obviously especially if you don't give second chances Mm-hmm So it it feels really odd and uh the reason is he actually says in this moment I I was I was like god, this is I really don't like the writing in this film. It hasn't been made clear already Uh, he says as he's dying He says it's been an honor my friend and then it like shows winston and he says should have been me it's just like He probably could have achieved that with a look you didn't have to Immediately have him say that and then the marquee is walking above him Well walking while he's uh kneeling down. He says yes But it wasn't Why do you think that is and why? Uh, if you could figure it out then perhaps one of us will have benefited from this conversation Just okay Since perspective on that a couple of times in the movie and they're all bizarre. That's weird.  Will he be? Johns Oh, no I don't actually understand anything about that that quote. I don't I don't know what he's drawing from at all And the reality is they didn't want to kill winston The writers don't like no we like winston. He's Ian McShane. He's cool.   Well, this is funny Go ahead.  You're like, well You might want to worry about it.   Maybe they would check the guns on their way in That's the more well-known thing of like a man who has nothing to lose.  I guess that's what happens. Uh, yeah, of course He's gonna orchestrate revenge with with all of the of his his information and all of his connections And with the guy john wick who thus far in terms of the timeline in this world has had what has 500 people have fallen before him. Maybe Yeah, maybe like many people because because here's a I mean it might be premature to just float This is a thing because it's it's much more apparent like later in the film when the action starts Why are people even like trying to go for john wick? Like you can't get him Like nobody's succeeded like how many because i'm different freaking way I just got a pistol and i'm gonna be the one to do it. They just didn't do it, right? But I can do it at what point do you just go like no, you know what no I don't think I can do it. I don't think I just live I think that was a problem in in the second one already when they put the bounty out You just saw all the see all these people. It's like ooh bounty. Who's that john wick and they just start smiting It's like, yeah, I'm gonna get that And the first film was introduced as the man you sent to kill the bogeyman. Yeah. Yeah, um the The thing about because mark brought us up when we uh, we did the forge, right? He was saying You can understand it when you put a particular number on a thing that some people will do some crazy stuff But he was saying like it starts to get a little weird though and you're like, hey not five million six million not six million seven million Not seven million ten million.  Like surely seven is still enough for the ten million people He's just like okay with that That he just couldn't do it with seven million.  Okay. I mean that is double but like did you not want the 10? Did you not think the 10 was enough? Whatever you're doing with the 20 the 10 wasn't useful enough to you? Okay So like there's that direction But then there's also just yeah in a world where there is an assassin man Who maybe is famous for being really good at his job and then they put a big amount of money on you go after him That's like one thing But when he's actually like Categorically been killing hundreds of people that have all been sent to kill him of differing levels and differing technology and Literally locations from all over the world He's no other assassin just being like man I don't know that i'm better than all of them I think I think it probably really helps john that all of these guys think that the strategy is to Drive up to him or walk up to him with their pistols and try and out pistol john wick Um instead of like just shooting him from alarm a long distance This is cool thing about guns that they're ranged weapons And then you couldn't yeah.  Well, there's one guy who uses a mid-range weapon I guess you could say to to take out john. It's not like maximum range, but still and He's in this movie and he does try but there are obviously always going to be reasons to stop him Mm-hmm Oh, um, just those are just glorified punches in this game essentially like Did you do that on purpose you just said in this game? No, I do it all the time.  I'm pretty sure all the guys in that sequence don't have bulletproof Yeah, that's what just normie peasants. They don't get to have them.  He's uh He's seemingly sitting down and listening to music while holding a little thing with a picture of his daughter and Like a pendant thing How'd you qualify that with he seemingly listening to music? I don't know I have so much I want to say and I'm just that's that's my problem whenever I'm summarizing anything I'm like trying to get to the point where I can start ripping into it But I'm like you got to do you got to get all the context out first and I almost like I'm not ready for that bit I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess you need to know this this this um So he's he's dragged in to see the marky And he's like I have someone I want you to kill and then he's like I'm retired and I was already like this is cliche Like this is just Guy who's clearly not in the business anymore is going to be convinced to be coming into the business And how do we do it?  So it has to be john. It's like no, it's either you or the marquee That's the actual decision being made. Yeah Like you you've decided that because the marquee told you this that you have absolutely no choice when it's like I mean Fundamentally here like if if they're always going to manipulate you with your daughter You'll have stories where they'll just be like they'll go out in a blaze of glory because they know that if they're dead They can no longer be used their door. They're children can't be used as leverage if you know what I mean Mm-hmm But that never comes up and neither does the idea of him going against the table In fact, we only have one reference really to him saying that you never go against the table That's just we all know that's true. And it's like oh Even though the table of snakes that constantly break their own rules and don't care about you would all and use your daughter against you really Okay Yeah, that uh, I definitely want to work with them.  Someone said at this point is job like just neo, but with like more plot armor Like yes, he's more powerful than neo.  That's the great point. Yeah Uh, yeah, so he just says I will serve I'll be of service and um, you might be thinking to yourself Well, none of this matters because john wick will be safe, right? He'll be hiding out somewhere and if they can't find him then they're screwed And that's when the marquee says to kane. I assume you have some notion of where he is And then kane says john has a few a few friends in this world and even fewer he would trust with his life And that's all we get he knows exactly where he is Luckily if you ever had the opportunity to shoot one of those people you would you do it, right?  So that john couldn't use them to get revenge surely marquee you do that, right? I just can't believe that um The idea that like kane just knows exactly where john wick would have gone right now When he's had two movies before that he didn't go to this place He went to other places that he could theoretically still go to like you could still probably go to hallie barry I doubt she's gonna kill him. You still probably try the russian family.   You see friend knows Uh So what's that molly your mic is everything do I sound okay? He gets scratchy every once in a while. Yeah All right, not every once in a while. I only noticed at that one time there.  No, no, no it sounded like uh sounded like it was crackling and if it was for everybody at a home, right? Then then it must have been like something with the mic or maybe the cable Someone just see what happens again because yeah, just let me know of course because And we can if it happens every once in a while. We could still hear you. It's no biggy.  This will be great And uh, we cut to osaka, which is where have we mentioned? Sorry. Maybe I just owned up for a second Have we mentioned that kane is blind? Oh, no, we Yeah, he's blind. Here's the thing. It's weird. We should I know it sounds like we're retarded for not mentioning mentioning this. It seems like it's a really big detail First off, they named the blind guy kane a little bit insensitive, but he's um, he's blind He's a blind guy. He cannot see his eyes do not work. No He is kane is like second to greatest assassin of all time possibly and he's blind Now you guys might be thinking oh, did devil powers no like no powers. No Weird's a toichi thing they're doing or yeah, like a daredevil thing No powers. Um, no powers And so now you're probably thinking well but But you but I'm just I was a blind guy now And that's a great question you have there Like we'll do our best to answer it I'm sure they'll work really hard to make it seem believable. So is it he clearly has powers? Yes He's not supposed to have powers though Uh, all right. Anyway, yeah, well, I'd be more on that when we get to it Then we get introduced to the next new character mr. Nobody. He's walking with his doggo and he enters the osaka continental And uh, we find out, you know, and I think it's better to say it now. So it kind of makes its run better he's been tracking john wick and uh His motivation and you can kind of piece it together from his notebook But not really but I mean it doesn't hurt to just say it now His goal is to keep john wick alive for as long as john wick is not worth the amount of money that he wants He wants about 48.5 million I think And the reason he wants 48 5.5 million is because he wants to buy a really nice big house for himself and his dog Yes So It is even though it's not worthwhile to kill john It is worthwhile to follow him around everywhere and use all that time and effort for your life to Like, you know do all the work and stuff I guess Can I just say Everything that I just explained.  What?  We find out it's like medical bills for a loved one or like someone has cancer You know that kind of stuff Something insane something really cost worthy or to help a whole bunch of kids from an orphanage that he's from Or is it just anything that's not I want a house. It's like something Because there there is an idea there. Yeah, this idea 23 housing market is rough I want to buy a house in Australia. I need 48 million dollars Well, no, that's the average house price in LA, right? It's 48 inflation Canadian dollars It's this there's an explanation for this, okay Because he's got a listing of millions of dollars They go from like 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 and he's crossed out I guess 5 and 10 because this is I guess at this point needs that 10 I'm not actually sure I need to check again, but yeah I think there were about he's hoping to just keep pushing up john's bounty until he gets it exactly where he needs it To buy an enormous house It's weird if he wanted a place he could just I mean, I assume he'd splint He'd split rent with a dog, right? So he'd only really be paying half. Mm-hmm I suppose half of this job is going to the dog Oh, yeah, pretty much that's why that's why the price has to go so high. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what to say about that motivation other than lame Like it's not that it doesn't make sense It's it doesn't make sense in the just I just don't see why the fuck you would need to buy a 50 million house Like I don't see it Well, what I guess what I would say is that I find it interesting as an idea to have a dude who's basically artificially like Increasing like the value of a bounty that he's going to claim that's kind of like interesting as an idea. That's the part I like But specifically to get like one house is odd I think I think I like the idea a lot actually of him having some like altruistic I guess the problem is that it makes it a bit harder to justify him making the choice that he makes at the end if he has like a goal that Satisfying would be strictly good for the world, you know Hence we don't make him a strange character that ends up kind of being a good guy. Maybe It's not even sure at the end. We'll have to talk about that when we reach it But uh, wouldn't it have been way more tense for john to find out that motivation and to be like Oh, fuck. What am I what movie am I thinking of this thing? I I'm not sure what is it? Oh, it's it's 310 to humor I haven't seen that it's um, that's a good movie basically so the premise in 310 to humor is that um There's a bunch of guys who are trying to move a very like the most well-known Vigilante or not a vigilante. He's just criminal Uh ever to a particular train at a particular time and his gang is catching up with them And so they start hiring a couple of people where they can and one of them is just like a farmer um And over the course of the movie the farmer gets to know that criminal pretty well and um There's like the the the criminal likes him enough that he wants to actually be put on the train by that farmer So that the farmer can get the bounty And uh Basically that aspect like imagine we somehow intertwined that that john is like almost invested in getting the bounty up So that the guy could claim it or something Is the the idea that it's just I want a house It's like well, yeah, that was never going to be able to be compelling and it doesn't come up He never even says what he's trying to get it for I don't think There is yeah, there there's almost like a a lot of stories that you could make about like Oh, I'm this deadly assassin and everything and like maybe that the premise is like he's he really is unkillable He's just that good.  He says like it's um Some real estate something it says daisy real estate or holdings.  Nobody But maybe I'll save that for later if I remember it Yeah, fair enough of like something that ties into a theme that I was thinking about being present in the film And whether or not I think it's well supported or not Wasn't the tracker just following the bounty that the table was placing on john not setting it himself? Yes, I don't he's manipulating it. He's manipulating it by creeping john alive. I don't know Some people are getting the very much the wrong impression He is manipulating it by protecting john from killers the more people who died trying to kill john the more the bounty goes up Of course, and then it will get a point where it's high enough that he'll do it because he knows how to get him Or he knows how to track him rather Do you like the whole like I'm mr. Nobody I'm not on the grid, you know But that it's like how do you plan for us to wire this money to you? And it's like no no no you're gonna have to give it to me in cash. You're like Jesus christ And then how is he gonna be getting this house entering the market with like no details at all It's like I miss to nobody All right Yeah, that's I'm less concerned about that stuff because I'm just I'm also just like sad that that's what he wants like All right, he's like I want it in ones So I know they're not counterfeit you'd never counterfeit one dollar bit at that point They would just give him some complimentary warehouses where it's all put in There you go um So, yeah, that's that's his introduction.  This is all new stuff This isn't in the other ones. Oh, yeah, it's all new which isn't a problem yet, but it's about to be So Yeah, koji asks, uh, his daughter who is also his concierge that like what's what's been happening lately And she says all the guests are very, uh, concerned and he's like, oh, they're concerned with something They always are then she says well, you know after after after new york Uh, all of our guests are concerned about exploding. Yeah, pretty much. I think I would read too I would probably reach the news It's like, oh, the new york exploded I'm in one of those hotels Oh, no And she goes on to say, uh, your relationship with john wick is well known and the table might come And he says and they will be met with our grace And i'm just sitting like, all right. I mean, none of that matters if john wick is isn't actually here. So, you know, whatever It's fine. I don't need to worry about it. Um And then we we see john is just standing on the roof of this place. He's just there. He's just hanging out And immediately it's like, what are you doing? Why isn't he in a room somewhere like sitting down or watching tv? Why is he on a roof? If anybody like so many people could see him if they wanted a lot of people are looking for you john They were didn't it look cool how he's still there with his back turned. Wasn't it epic?    I better get out of here. So we don't get killed Ah, sorry about that mate. I don't know What is what the what point they especially the point supposed to be made to me? And I don't know what the point is if I learned that Um, if the writers do that to make you come up with it To view it. Oh, maybe yeah If I look if someone came to me and said hey rags. We killed, uh, this guy you knew to prove a point And then they just laughed I'd be like I well point proof and I guess I mean, who are you? I guess the point is don't be my friend I actually don't know what what he meant when he said they were making a point by killing Lance Reddick's character. Why I don't understand What's the point being made by killing him?  Is that it? I'm I'm desperately grasping at straws. I have no idea what the point of that was Anyway He says have you given any thought to where this ends the table's never gonna stop You know and it only takes life and gives death Which seems to get almost redundant.  Yeah People saying the mic is scratching up again. This didn't happen on any of the resident live streams who not Made a little bit.  I haven't heard it at all For some reason Well, I guess I'll just keep going. There's not much I can do anyway. That's like, I don't know what's wrong with it um okay, so Uh, he says koji. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and he says friendship means little when it's convenient Though something that is worth noting here is john everywhere like bad things are happening when you go to these places Is that something that you maybe should be thinking about? hmm Like that you are actually kind of responsible for like for everything that's happening and is about to happen Well, I supposed to rewind a little bit. Um Where was this place in john wick doing three? uh in japan Who's just chilling out away? That's all he does. There's nothing. It's the whole world full of these hotels. He'll never get to I'm pretty sure this is something that came up in casual conversations about the john wick francia It's like he's like this very well-known guy. It's like he must have friends somewhere that Can help him out somehow in some way And even in john wick too like apparently john at antonio was his friend And yeah, see how that worked out for her I was like And I was like, oh, yeah, we're very good friends by the way. I'm gonna sacrifice my life my daughter's life Everyone's life Our army in in the continental. Oh and the continental itself for you.  That's my job He's like he's already there and he just takes it out and turns it over because he always carries it around I wouldn't be surprised at this point if the high table building was just a really big table like a huge table it's like You have to have breathing apparatus that goes up so high. Oh my goodness Uh, yeah, so John mc2 and three when he was He's ex-communicado currently and he's chilling out there, which is against all of the every rule ever Uh, but they the stakes of three are basically like he has nowhere to go and nowhere to hide Right and to for a portion of it Like oh man, he should have just gone here, I guess Which is uh, it just they don't care. I don't even know if they remember and I Increasingly annoyed at the fact that they refer to each other like what's happening here Is that koji is taking on an enormous risk? He's doing like a massive thing I know and there's gonna be people listening right now.  I'm like, yeah, that's kind of my point Where did this guy come from? This is one of your oldest and most serious like friendships ever And we've only heard about it in this film like okay And and you know the the acknowledgement that what he's doing is well out of the bounds of normal friendship But he's doing it because gosh darn their connection is so strong. You're like, okay I Now it could be that I'm not remembering that scene the film because I know it's something that is touched on in terms of like What will happen because john wick is there but like is that there is no point in the film where like John wick actually reflects on the fact that when he goes and like to these people for help He causes them like serious damage Yeah, there's no recognition Like the him going there and it could be like well, yeah, but it's because the high tab was hunting you down It's like yeah, but it's because you actually did break the rules Yeah, he did consonants would be like a neutral ground and you violated those rules You knew what they were and you violated them And now like all of these people are suffering Because you go to them for help and there's just no point where john wick is like man like that's actually like shitting on me Yeah Like especially considering the consequences for it's koji, right? Yes, the consequences that he suffers like he goes out of his way To help john. Well, and that's what's so satisfying about it. They're such good friends. They've had such a long journey together, you know I was there was there some in the movie about how he had like this long Outstanding like beef with the table people or that he was like some revolutionary type He wanted to restructure the whole no koji says that he values friendship and brotherhood over the table And to be fair What else can they do?  He likes friends all right um So Yeah, you have that and then it comes back down and uh the guy's flipping through his little notebook the mr. Nobody And he realizes that the men who are now entering the place who look a little uh, a little conspicuous Right as you kept pointing that out You're just like why are all of the people who matter in this story looking incredibly specific and strange to commit to everyone else it's like Uh, a c's that they're all wearing a symbol and he checks his notebook and it represents like they work for the maki And I seriously was just like how does he how does mr. Nobody know that?  Like what? It's fine. He knows things. All right. That's his thing.  Okay He's a tracker.   Yeah, because I just don't agree. Um, I But you're right It's flowery meh a lot of the dialogue in this tries to feel very Heady and meaningful And deep And like like oh wow it's so it's so profound what they said and they're just all these bangers But it's just like no, no, it really isn't it's just all shit non-sense like Darth Vader Kind of counters that sentiment pretty hard That's actually a very strange sentiment somebody could live like a shitty life But then come through at the end. In fact, that's like often an element of redemption stories, isn't it? Yeah, I lived a bad life But you know, I could sacrifice myself for something maybe you're supposed to do one good thing with my life To read something else into it. I don't know the thing is I don't know koji very well He's only spoken for about one second. So I don't you know, I can't think of what he might be thinking about Oh, well Oh, wow And I certainly Do not apply that line to the end of his story, but we'll get there mr. Koji.  Yeah, they make pretty clear. They the they're pretty tight as well to daughter and him They don't have like problems daughter looks out for him. It's like, hey, you've been doing a lot of work We should have some dinner and just chill out He's like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. We're gonna do that Yeah, I'll hang out with my daughter and go back to work later on and maybe call this money and doing evil work All of it's been bad. No uh So, yeah, uh, then uh She arrives actually she just stumbles into the scene and says, oh my god the high table here Uh, what's john wick doing here? And it's just like, oh my god Like are you gonna try to keep him secret at all and he just says mr. Wick is our guest and I will talk to them They don't know he's here To be honest with you because I know how films go, but I was just saying they're like, there shouldn't be any problem There shouldn't be a problem at all because There's no way they can't know john is here. They're running strictly off the information of kane saying he's probably here That's it And to be honest with you kane would have been wrong at any other point in history, but he still would have guessed that he was here So like just so happens that john actually was there And he's got nothing to go on and so the the ultimate question is what is the difference from the point of view of the marquis As to whether john is there or not In terms of their approach like because You can't tell the difference with this they they it doesn't matter if he's there or not. Yeah Yeah, uh so, yeah, he says welcome and then Mini boss, I guess is what we'll call him. He's around for the whole film He's like the table believes this continental is providing services to an ex communicator We require full access and he says yeah sure 100 percent obviously just giving you guns first because that's the rules And then he says we work for the marquis So no and then he says okay. Well, I speak for osaka and I require your guns, please And then he says don't make the same mistake new york made which I thought was priceless New york didn't get to do shit before they got blown up. What do you mean? The same mistake they made where the manager tried to kill john wiggler didn't do good enough Don't make that mistake.  I guarantee what he said like evacuate There's probably like one dude Who's not in the position to be able to get out within the hour or something? Maybe he was like wounded, you know, because a lot of people spend their time there to heal. Yeah, yeah It's like Don't make the same mistake. I don't even know what he means But the thing about it is it's like all you have to do is hide john in some secret area a secret compartment Then let them search.  Yeah, what's gonna happen surely you have many secret compartments that no one would ever find Oh, yeah big hotel So after he says don't make the same mistake Uh, koji says fools talk cowards stay silent wise men listen All right, so It's such a like i'm sorry.  When you're listening you're also silent I i get confused i've been confused i wasn't It's such a just okay anyway, so like you respond like i appreciate whatever that is but Hello, it's like uh, hello, but in the background kane says at which one will you be? it's like oh I don't know Like hello old friend and they they ask each other about how their daughters are doing which is neat And then they're like right this doesn't have to end with blood.  Just let us look around. It's it's not gonna it's fine. Yes, we will have pistols, but let's be honest We're not gonna use them. We're just gonna look around. Okay, it's fine. Nothing bad. Well, you think that there would be The whole point is that like these disputes should not happen Because there should be a rule when it comes to this stuff That they like reference like there should be someone there with like a a literal rule book To make sure that everyone follows the rules of how these procedures are carried out But they just don't do that It's just like uh giving your guns because it's a rule it's like well actually the rule says this So now it's like well well i as an audience member. I don't know which rule is the right one I have no clue. What what's the actual rule? And he says uh who's in the wrong? Cain says no one defies the table. I remember you once understood that And then he says back. I thought you remembered brotherhood This is just like, uh, what is this? What are we doing?  He's been executing elders. What does that mean?  You can put metal into them real fast And also there's probably a system in line to like kind of it It's almost like like a quasi legal system where if the table is essentially like the government, right? Like you should be able to be like, yeah, I've got grievances with the table And so I'm gonna fell out these forms and do this thing and I'm gonna maybe have this rule Such and such or we're gonna have this, you know, some people look over it like this. So like a like an You know like some system Something I thought was really kind of neat In the first one that they kind of build up as these sorts of systems that might exist in this world And now they only seem to be used to just bring out random plot things whenever they need it for the story They want instead of actually having an assassin system that has all these rules and you know like Books and stuff that could be interesting because it could be like essentially the flavor over all of These interactions and these fights of oh, we can't do this because it's against the organization's rules Or we have to do this because so it stays in rules and you can't do this because you know It's against the rules and if we want to do this that's that's that Would you want to know what happens next? I would love to know what happens next.  No blood loss. Don't defy the table They're in the lobby. Yeah, mini boss cuts in and says enough by order of the marquee. This hotel has been Deconsecrated step aside It's just like no, what you can't do that.  You're not you're not the hourglass man What is your hourglass? Not only that but just like what because we're still talking.  I'm just like, oh, well then I guess Yeah, just you get a What you may as well just can you just do that on a whim like this is consecrated. This is Flimpy mic. It was just for like yeah, I heard that as well there's It's only flimpy for a little bit though It's interesting. I just there's more of a disruption pointing it out Yeah, no, no just moving on if that's the case then we'll just keep power through it. I guess let's go Uh, so yeah, I just I never We've gone to the point now with that that was like a big event in uh, when did that even happen? When did when did a continental get deconsecrated was that episode episode was that chapter three?  I like the special person come around to do that. It's like it's the consecrated now get wrecked And I guess because the because he's like the marquis It's also weird because the the 12 year from the table Give that french guy you have all the power and then I guess the french guy goes Yeah, but I want to watch here in my theater and watch the play So you have that power now and then you give me a call when you did the job So it's kind of has the same powers than him. I guess Maybe seems like it like what Does he has left less less less powers to need to give the guy a call before he does something. It's really weird You guys are watching the movie wrong. Definitely. Yes, we are um Um, so what so what in the chat had mentioned deconsecration culture No, pretty funny just on the spot to decad decanceling someone I knew that Yeah, I guess you've been deconsecrated that sounds like something that like a really cringe thing that a john wick fan would say Like you're constantly you've deconsecrated for that your ex-communicado um avocado But when he when he says it's deconsecrated like All the lights go down And then a green light is turned on because there's always special lighting in the john wick universe whenever we fight And that's a fight and that's those are the green fighting lights and kane is like don't do this koji and then uh I think the the miniboss guy takes a step forward and then koji says attack and it's like And basically he has I I don't know I hate this so much, right?  Well the the john wick bulletproof suits Um with pistols that is that's who they are.  There's more of them than there are even of the marquee men now That's the setup. So when koji says attack what i'm expecting to see right this for me feels like cause and effect You have the marquee man going.   That's it. None of the others.  What'd they do? They didn't fire or loose. Sorry, whatever Koji man said attack I don't know if he talked to them earlier and said when I say attack I only want two of you to lose arrows. Okay Did he say it in English and maybe they don't like speaking? Yeah, only two of them understood because He should have said it in Japanese I don't know why the shit happens because I have no way to explain that.  But how come those were the two who got aimed at what if they aimed at the same person?   No, I'm gonna put on a scarf made of that bulletproof stuff Yeah, and wrap it around my face I would love it if the films had that Like a character who has that and everyone's like you look ridiculous He's like, yeah, I'm gonna look at ridiculous for a long time because I'll be alive See you you Oh But anyway, the film seems to think something really cool just happened and the music starts up And I've just said they're like what is happening?  You know, you want to go attack the melee combat style when they've got guns Yeah, but but but these are these are samurai swords Why?  They just proved they'd bow and arrow worked use more of them But you have to shoot them for them to work No They shot two and two of them Yeah, um And then um, you know, we'll we'll go back and forth a little bit here But a fight happens between the marquee men and the bow and arrow men and the bow and arrow men and koji's men they lose And so they start running away like they back up into further parts of the continental and it's just like how How did this happen? Why should have been like attack and then all the arrows went into the marquee men and then they died That should have been what happened. Yes. It should have been what happened because obviously that's what would have happened And to re-clarify this is in a world of assassins the assassin hq of like I don't know if I could say the assassin hq of japan or anything, but like it's it's gonna be pretty significant a big place Filled with experienced men and women who've been killing people their whole lives know all about the tech and the Everything everything to do with it and their approach was firing two arrows and maybe using some swords Where are your like better weapons? Why not have Gas why not have traps why not have an enormous machine gun that just mows down people in that room when they try to attack Why don't you have any lockdown features at all? You don't You don't come across as if this is your job, you know You come across as an amateur and you found some swords and bows You're like, I don't know I guess we'll use these Like we've never trained for this or practiced for this There's no, you know lockdown procedure.    That's how that's cool. Isn't it? You're like, no It's really silly um Which I guess puts us along to the first donnie n set of action Yeah, um summarizing it is Gonna feel a little bit strange, but I'll give it a shot.  I'll I'll get involved I guess and uh him getting involved means that You kind of I think in a neutral environment You're just gonna be like but why would he be of any more use than all of your men with eyes and guns? If if you know what I mean, maybe that maybe that scene is a bit rude. He's just that good. He's just that good with his sword Well, maybe I'm skipping too far ahead because I've actually got the When john gets involved in the fight. I don't know which one to do first. I guess we'll uh We'll stick with the bad guys pov a little bit first.  What's going on? And uh to maybe miss their shots while he gets more into position But they fire their arrows and I think if I'm being hyper generous He's listening to those actions and that's how he can know where they're coming from and Sort of how to dodge, but you'd still have to be pretty fast and kind of lucky Because uh, you have to be really fast and really lucky and you're only you're essentially Operating off of old information Yes That arrow is already going to be very close to with you by the time you're reacting to the sound Um, so you know, it's the best they can do I guess but you could have just said like you didn't have to make him blind Yeah, I don't know why they I don't know why they get that Just like don't do it because they clear like they they try Sometimes but most of the time they clearly do not give a shit Oh, yeah, so this sword fighting people It's worth clarifying This is the scene I'd say that's probably the best for him in terms of action that I I'm kind of some of the stuff I'm okay with some of the stuff. I'm not but as anything going forward from here is terrible Oh, yeah, that's really bad. They just think I think they they they front load a lot of the attempts At convincing you that he's blind.  But we say that he's blind that people will like him more. You're like, okay I guess that works. He puts up little sensors the Ring sounds when people move past them and uses that to just shoot them Uh, basically so you can he'll remember where they are The thing I kind of liked about it.    If you know what I mean? Mm-hmm, uh I guess yeah Is like he shouldn't like he should be Well, do we have a character and well, this would be why it would be interesting to have the police show up every once in a while Uh, so you have characters like john wick and stuff who are like like not killing the police They they're they're they're just doing their jobs. They're not part of this assassin group Uh, you could have that with you know, donnie in here where he's Really trying to not kill him. He's hitting him with the cane Uh punching him. Uh, maybe he has Like if he had a gun that had rubber bullets or if he had a um He used the environment like pots and pans to hit him and knock him out things of that nature Because he doesn't want to you know, he's like i'm only here to kill one person Or something like that. Um But it's he might be in the clear for um, I don't think he overtly murdered that kills anybody here I think he only ever hits them really hard. I don't know. He does shoot with them Okay I just get I accept the power shot of them. Okay. There's a blind man with a gun Is literally what we've got. Oh, yeah, I think they actually Pretty blatantly show he headshots one of those is a blood splatter as well. So yeah, okay That uh for a second I was like wait, maybe that was what happened that he did only use non lethal attacks on him Because these people are being forced into a fight that he doesn't believe they should have to be, you know The Yeah So, you know, there's that and then of course this just this applies to every moment. He is on screen Um, he's just constantly incredibly lucky that no one's just shooting at him Without his knowledge, you know, there could be anybody anywhere at any time that shoots at him That's always going to be a possibility What could just be standing in the room 10 feet to his left with a gun pointed at him and he just wouldn't know It's just like is he blight? I'm just gonna stand here. Is this guy actually blind? Like I kind of feel bad Oh, never mind. He's a superhero kill Kind uh um So yeah, and then, you know, we are rewinding chronologically, but I'm just moving over to john wick's side of things, I guess uh They find out that all this is happening and then the girl uh, koji's daughter like takes off her Dress and she's got like combat gear underneath and she's getting a bow and arrow ready I was just immediately like for fuck's sake Why don't you have a pistol just anything something here at will of assassins? And it's funny because they'll show an incredibly effective bow and arrow, right?    This might be one of the worst action scenes I've ever seen A recurring theme in like John Wick fights is that people will sort of run in to get shot When if they'd shown up like a little bit earlier, they would have gotten John Wick Just because he was preoccupied with something with a gun in their hand, by the way Like it's a lot of a lot of scenes where they have to stab him with a pistol Well, what I think Matt was pointing out is they don't exist until they appear on screen Like they can't be shooting off from a distance Yeah, and anytime that they ever do John Wick is ready for it There's like never a point where he's actually like not in a position to deal with the enemies I guess I'm gonna be like, well, yeah, I mean of course right because otherwise he dies I was like, well I mean what we saw in the first film was more of an effort being made by like John Wick to put himself in situations where he couldn't handle these situations But now with the vest vest is like a convenient If John Wick is in a position where he should get killed.   It's absolute nonsense. There's there's no way an assassin would rely on these insanely inconsistent methods Of you know incapacitating people. It just wouldn't happen. It wouldn't work This is a john wick is a character who acts as if the plot is Just changing everything in order to work for him. It's probably with mentioning the world work for him We're currently judging the best action scene in the movie Yeah, probably I I can't think about it. I mean there's the Oh, yeah, probably because like one in power the one in paris is like insane Yeah, there's a couple different ones that we have left is one that might be better than this But holy shit. Do they get really bad when you hit the end? um, but yeah, so is that I suppose uh Koji I kind of I think he because he's uh, he's walking with a little bit of a limp and uh, His daughter's been tagged as well by a bullet. Lucky. She's not dead or anything. It's fine She kind of fights and the bulletproof stuff like the others were Yeah, yeah, she she actually wasn't even though the uh osaka continental has that tech Because the sumo's have it, but his daughter doesn't have it That makes sense. I wear that outfit. What what's up with that black skimpy It's not skimpy that that tight black outfit you have underneath your work clothes When you could just be wearing the bulletproof stuff Is that your battle outfit that you just have on you at all times playing fashion souls Okay, well next time maybe you should wrap that up in that bulletproof fabric that everyone else is wearing I just it's just unbelievable a little bit, but it's like whatever Just move on. Um, yeah, they they basically say john get out of here.  Sorry Um, when you remember how he kept getting kicked into the glass.   I think couldn't shouldn't we be doing better than this where he just sort of runs Essentially blindly into a room and just starts shooting He's just surrounded by guys and he just shoots Are we really nitpicking john wick? You guys are kidding, right? So can you can you help me like when I see that these films get like 75 75 and 78 on metacritic What am I meant to make of that? Am I meant to make? Yeah, man These movies are really stupid, but they're fun action films or am I meant to make? No, they're actually like They're not like commander or something. They're actually like quality more so Is that what I meant to like I don't get like why can't this apply to star wars? Why why doesn't it apply to star wars? Yeah, exactly. All right, all marvel movies You make of it that people are entertained. Yeah, that's no I make them more than that though. There's another element to it like that It's that it's it's actually like good. It's not like, yeah, it's dumb fun I don't see that when ign gave it a 10 out of 10.  No, that's not true. People consider John Wick to be like very very good.  I mean we can keep saying a lot of people do a lot of people do Yeah, ign is a very popular Have like Their reviews for video games tend to get like hundreds of thousands millions of views and it's more so like I don't need to go to 78 on meta critic means a lot of people more than 50 percent of the people who reviewed it gave it like an eight or above By the sounds of that We don't even have to like try and get people to engage with a theoretically better. John wicks like it exists called john mc1 It's called John. Yeah, I was good I think that's what I find lame about the conversation is the notion that like this is the only kind of john wick film That could ever exist because people think that the first one was silly as well like the other ones like no It's not it's not nearly as silly as these films What would be said to be the silly part of john wick? I don't know. I I guess they would say just the very premise of like john wick, but it's again It's like you've forgotten what it is. This happens with a lot of franchises the longer they go along Is that they sort of like the caricature that they become sort of retroactively gets applied to like the older thing When what happened was changed And the change was kind of gradual, but really it was like to totally change what these films were gonna be I just I just refused to be Like I was about to say gas if i'm so tired of hearing that Term that annoys me I refuse to be told to believe that everybody sees like the death of Sharon or any any character of significance in these movies and goes Oh, there he goes Like yeah, that's not the case like I think that this is basically what gets defaulted to the second that you start to realize That the film does have like serious storytelling flaws Like at the beginning it is oh, it's actually quality And then as soon as you start to delve into the flaws and the storytelling that connects these action scenes even like problems in the action scenes Then it defaults to lie fun with it, which is fine. Like if you enjoyed it, that's that's fine Yeah, like that's totally true. Just don't say it's good though Yeah, that certainly not.  They're just like that's I mean sure.  We do We know what happened in it And here's the thing like you know, I look at a film like die hard that's an action movie with a lot of cool set pieces A lot of fun moments But like I can defend die hard as a story Like I can appeal to what the work that it does with the characters. Well, so A movie that is more intentionally enjoying its goof factor I would say for action and what it is is predator and yet the action in that is way better than in this In terms of making sense what characters are actually doing and of course and creditor as well Like telling a great story as well terminator is another film terminator and terminator to have great set pieces Like they have that pieces But there's a story and characters and thematic elements that are binding it all together and making it into something better like It's almost like I it's funny people said this for us about the last of us I think it is actually the case for John Wick The like the standard especially set by like superhero films is so low the like John Wick sort of like John Wick gets elevated more than it should Because like the story that connects it all together is just bullshit Like I want to I when I watch a fight scene What maybe that's just the fundamental question that you should ask What makes a fight scene good?  And how come I can watch other fight scenes and they're really really neat like what you think the You think when luke and vader fought on cloud city like that was like an amazing sword fight? No It's fine. I guess But that's an amazing fight sequence It's more than just It is like there's more to it than just what what you feel when you're watching it that first time your visceral reaction Imagine the John Wick. Well, you don't even need to imagine, right? It is the first John Wick of like character informing these set pieces and action scenes Way more than is the case here Yeah, when I see John Wick fighting people I want to Feel as if that could actually happen That he's not protected by like a meta plot. You know, he doesn't have plot armor. The only reason he's not dying is because um Did the plot just doesn't want him to die? I want to see him taking actions moving around and And behaving in a way that makes me think oh, this guy really is good Look at what he's doing. Look at how he's behaving. Look at all the things that he's, you know, accounting for That's why he's not getting shot not they gave him a bulletproof suit and enemies just cannot hit his head ever Regardless of the situation he's in Like I wonder how far you could push it What if you put John Wick in the middle of a room with 20 guys with rifles and they all shot at him and There was no cover and yet he never anybody just spun around and shot him all with his pistol like what would What would that be okay? Would that be Acceptable if it looked cool. What if there was some cool music and there were some red lights What then you know, it's like how far can we push it?  It's the exact same crap Yeah, it started out the same way as it is now It's and it makes me believe that the meta surrounding each of these stories Is actually what determines how good they are. It's nothing to do with the stories anymore It was that way John Wick 4 is cool in the context that it exists not as its own thing It is cool in the context of look at these marvel films failing and there's like Franchise is failing not like John Wick which is also a franchise at this point with multiple spin-offs and like stuff happening Um, how long does it take before John Wick becomes so like prevalent? It's just a thing that keeps happening with more sequels spin-offs tv shows To where like, you know, it starts to It starts to wear out its welcome at some point It's gonna happen It's just gonna happen some point people are gonna start cloning on John Wick franchise because it's going to be silly And then we're gonna be sitting here. We're gonna be sitting here. It's like really again We already have the same stormtrooper problem. I don't know for lack of a better term We have like hundreds potentially in this movie going after john and none of them are a threat No, none of them. I don't care. It's like, oh, there's 17 people going to john.  You you are not ready to fight vader And then sure enough, that's what happens. That's why there's a lot of tension during that fight because you know that there is going to be believable realistic and intuitive consequences To you know luke doing this and then you've got the Who they are and what they mean to each other and what their goals are and then the big revelation at the end of that fight meanwhile like Every john wick fight is so impersonal the only one that's like you could not say that for is the final duel At least there's something there, but it's been built out of this film. It's not been built with more Everything else is just a thing that needs to be gotten through Um, which is really awkward when getting through it leads to story stuff that is bad And that really like I don't know how many people well, I guess. Yeah, I don't know like I Character informing these action scenes would just make the film like better instantly. I don't see how it could make it worse I think except the problem is of course They're all just faceless mindless automatons that he's just shooting down They may as well be robots like there's nothing to the enemies And and you know, like I said, that's not something you can't do I'm just saying that after I see it for the 10th time Across these films that he takes out an army of robots. I'm just like Okay Yeah, yeah, he they shoot the gun and the robots fall over or they shoot the blaster and the storm troopers fall over Is wasn't that a good action scene intellectually dishonest? Penetrate here kill bill clearly gets goofy and defies the laws of physics But I've yet to hear the crew criticize it like this.  Yeah, we haven't done a coverage of it But if we talk about Also, that's just classic what about ism too Yeah, yeah pretty textbook. What about ism? But there's a lot of really good things about that fight There's a lot of really good things about that fight. I don't know how else to put it sometimes It's just like if you haven't we haven't given detailed coverage of a thing Then uh, why would you pretend to know what we think about it? like in detail Yeah, all like very specific points of potential praise or criticism of like scenes in a film Yeah, like we haven't done that with everything Every time we talk about a film we need to qualify it with every film we've ever seen as a point of reference Yeah, I mean we'll get there, you know we're chipping away We recently did all the final destinations last Halloween. Now you guys know our in detailed opinions of all the final destination movies. How about that? It's very good. All of them are very excellent top-notch films. Excellent. That's peak cinema. It's all downhill sense Like non Ironically speaking like it's like yeah, you now know our detailed opinions on Jurassic Park as of recently like that That's a legitimately That's like in the library of efab now Where it wouldn't necessarily have been for a while if not for certain events coming together or whatever like anything could happen We could cover whatever whatever point you'll get to know how we would Pull this in but If you're really going to pull the card of wow you let other things get away just like you don't let other things get away with this You you hate this in lots of other things. So what's going on? How come this gets the pass? When mando runs through the in season two episode three when mando runs down the hallway getting blasted by all of those Blasters all deflecting off of him tumbles through the ground throws the grenades and blow him up. Why do you say that's bad? But then this is good when john wicks running around holding This suit up to his face to deflect the bullets while running around and like shooting people. What's the difference? I don't know. I don't know this one's cooler. This one's more fun And I just think that uh, I just I just try to apply sort of the same standard to both of these things and Yeah, one of them works and no, that's right. None of them work One of them works like wait, which one? Apparently john wick works. It's been uh annihilated in the box office doing well Yeah, it's uh most successful john wick film in terms of like Opening debut. It's already made like 150 million dollars Which look I will say that I would I would prefer to see something like john wick make money to like ant man Yeah, but at the same time, I don't like the notion that like, ah, yes, we're there. We got it We know that more john wick four. I don't like that Uh, it's like a lesson to be learned Well, yeah, if someone because people have been talking about that What do you think the studios will learn from john wick four being successful?  The furious is already the same lesson.  Some people say it was a criticism I don't know where I stand on it, but john wick is a superhero franchise at this point.  He does take damage But in a matter of moments, it's all undone like his healing factor is insane Very superficial. Um, and I think that I think that really have you guys seen um That's I think it was 1977 the duelists the duelist um Or you have these two guys who are fighting the they fight these duels over time And you know, they'll they'll fight with some swords here. It's like some rapiers here.  I'm like, well, I I just can't believe what you're telling me anymore. There's this disconnect between what you're displaying to me And what's actually happening in the movie. So it's like at that point. Why am I even watching this? What's the point? That's what I said like, uh, you can't assume what our opinions don't kill bill Ah, and yet you that assume the opinions of someone on bandeau from this. It's like I literally preface that I literally prefaced that with saying I could just do it back to you I don't know how you missed that. That was my point was the I we can what about each other forever on different things instead of just addressing the current subject, which is what we're trying to do Um There's another thing that was annoying me as well.  I think he shoots it Maybe four times then he loses it and then he opts for nunchucks and I just But it's so cool how he hits them with the nunchucks when they're all these perfectly good rifles laying around apparently people loved it I couldn't get over I was like there's so many better weapons right there It takes some ages to kill one person with nunchucks probably because they're nunchucks and they're wearing body armor That could be why I'm not sure Uh, so I was just like man, there's some better weapons on the floor, but you know, it's fine Don't you worry about it, john We've got to keep the fights going we've got to fight with a new weapon Right because it's that logic that dr. Strange two had we got to see different things otherwise the audience will get bored We can't have him just pistalling everybody and it's like yeah, you didn't have to I don't know why you thought that that was like the default position He always has to be in if you ever felt like when watching these that they Always want to make sure they have john wick run into a room with his pistol and then fight between one and three guys Yep, um, and once he defeats that section the next section spawns Yeah, that's what they do and totally It changed back and forth between the soldier guys and the marquee people Yeah, I don't know if you guys if any of you played uncharted Well uncharted one has a long time ago waves Like that game has waves more so than the second one. So like you go into an area You usually fight two waves then there's like a little pause for you to like reload get weapons and stuff And then the third wave comes into attack you um, so it's john wick has a very similar structure to the first uncharted which um, it's not a fantastic game uncharted one In terms of that kind of design philosophy, but hey keep it alive and in movie form, I guess Um, why you're taking john wick so seriously. It's not at all meant to be taken seriously Just gonna keep pointing to the metacritic scores. I'm sorry 75 75 78 that isn't it's dumb fun That's not what that score represents the film clearly wants to be taken seriously I'm gonna talk about anything in the matter The film itself this film has deaths in it. It has thematic through lines about what death and life mean friendship like it's a lot of significantly serious moments that relate to a lot of different character sacrifices or uh Different actions that have taken the idea that this is a clown movie on purpose. It's not true. That's just made up Yeah, this like really like there's a lot of scenes where characters are talking and they have these Heady meaningful things about no death and moving on and you know What are we gonna do and our plans and who are we and you can't even overcome your nature and And stuff like that like there there these this isn't just a Like so like batman and robin.   It's not a clown movie. It's a normal movie. Yeah There are like little beats of comedy here and there in the movie like oh, ha ha the police officer Is he knows what's going on and he's gonna leave because Things like that like they happen throughout these movies, but that's a whole lot of movies I mean Jurassic park isn't a comedy But there are some funny lines in it, you know Well, we can't go around say to all those directors that make these clown marvel movies. Oh, you have to look at the gap Not a cabbage What the weight that comes with the old movies Well, actually and then we and then we then all the audience goes like yeah, but the first was a clown movie as well It's like the other way around like it was it didn't go from Like you have this through line from the first one Or like the the baseline the floor in the baseline from the first one is like, oh, that's pretty serious It's pretty straightforward and then we go to the second one and we go clownish and then everyone is like, oh I guess they were all clown movies then Especially after the fourth one. It's like That that would start to rewrite history. I think it's like it's always been this stupid, right? And it's like by the way fast no furious the first one not a clown movie Yeah, but the rest of them are pretty short clown movies I'm not even saying too fast too furious is probably a normal movie as well I was a think it's funny that I wanted to say cabbage instead of a baggage I was I was actually about to say like cabbage. What is he thinking about the police?  Yes. Well, they go forward. That's the thing. I want to treat it with respect I don't want to ignore it and all of its choices in writing as like whatever. It doesn't matter None of it matters.  I like the lights or something I I want to give it more than that Even if I don't think it's good I want to There's much respect for like filmmakers. I'm sure that the filmmakers themselves have Yeah, uh There are plenty of things to praise about the movie not a lot of it's in the script.  It's like, okay Sure, there's a guy he hits in the leg with a nunchuck who then is like on the floor going like, oh, no Just like what I mean, you could still What are you doing? it's uh I guess propulsion and force they're all plot-depended it depends on what they need at the time it never been And that's not a john wick four thing. That's a two three four thing A lot of this is two three four things Um, and yeah, and they arrive In waves so they don't arrive together Because it makes you wonder Like if kane came in to fight him at the same time those guys did would he wait back?  You're just like no It's gonna be the same scene again and again and again Even with mini bosses of any kind Yep Once uh once john wick finishes one group you could bet another group is just they're just right there They're coming in right then like they were waiting for a cue Like it was a movie. Oh, he's done with this one. Keanu's done with these guys now you guys come in Um, so yeah, kane introduces himself, which is an interesting plan considering you're exclusively there to kill john And uh, I was thinking to myself did um Did koji not warn john about kane? Uh, not sure. I don't think he did I don't think he did either. I'd have to recheck but that's a kind of a hookup It's dangerous like an introduction between the two well not an introduction But like the first time they've aware like the first time that john is aware of uh him Is yay It's the kind of thing like they're considered really old friends kane and koji and koji and john are and kane and john are so You know It's like don't you think you should be like by the way kade knows that everyone's friends with each other It's like a secret Oh, you know him too. Oh, you know him. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I can't believe it. Ah, man. Wow Yeah, he seems to be surprised about it.   Yeah But this is this is the movies and guns aren't loud They're loud enough for people like notice, but they're not actually loud That would sort of just get piled on to the rest of the issues I would say like it's because like I would probably be able to forgive any one of these things But like when they were all together just like wait, what did you do? Well, there's something that really pissed me off is uh cane shoots at John John lifts up his jacket boom boom boom boom boom and then they go both go behind walls and You think at every move counts. What does John do?  It's just obvious.  And that's it They don't talk about that ever again.  I was like, ooh, that could be interesting tell cane What happened tell cane why this all went down the way that it did and maybe that will actually convince him to go against the table instead Does he know your story? Does he know anything about what's happening? No, we don't talk about it That is it.   Oh wait. It was they took his dog That was the joke in south park wait, wasn't it? It was yeah, it was like they took his dog They took our jerbs. Is that what you're referencing? Yeah, I was about to say you mean you took our jerbs. Oh, you guys don't have the deep south park law There was an episode we were making fun of wwe And there was this guy. He was like a proper wrestling teacher and like he He thought like Like the kids wanted to do wrestling, but they didn't realize that like wwe is not like the sport of wrestling And then the wrestling guy shows up at their thing and he starts talking about how uh, they took his job And all the rednecks like they took his derb and then and then he starts talking about how animal control came and took his dog And they're like They took his dog The best part is when it devolves into noises like They broke his jaw as well And then there was actually like a rooster that just did a cockadoodle That's right. Yeah But it is it is the best when it starts to do right to like A fun south park tour Yeah, so I guess you guys aren't acquainted with that in that episode Oh, I don't remember it more than the they took our jobs that one's been involved since rings of power as well The meme's been used for that. Yeah. Yeah Um So as if we've not already highlighted enough of these like annoying issues and not taking advantage of a man Two of the greatest assassins and one of them being blind and the other one could totally use that to his advantage Um There's this moment where john's hiding behind that same like pane of glass and he sees the uh cane is coming around And he he slaps his cane on like part of the The thing to to you know, let him know where where physical objects are john sees that There is a gap of I want to say like four inches Between the two panes of glass that john can clearly look through we can see kane through it And he instead of aiming his gun through that which he could do Silently and shoot kane in the head done He instead gets out.  You're trying to you're trying to hit the other person You're not trying to hit the perfect shot too.  He'd probably feel a little bad about it But that's just what would happen. It's just mean to put this blind guy in the middle of this fight like that It's annoying as well john keeps talking to him and it's like dude That's the only information kane can use to find you. Why are you doing that?  And uh, he takes a while to get close and then john because he's out of bullets goes to move And he moves a bit of glass because he's on top of loads of glass and that's it kane starts shooting at him again They both do their jacket thing.   Nobody hits anybody They're standing basically right in front of each other and they just shoot at their jackets Yep, I could I could forgive kane because well, you know, he's blind, but john could probably do something One canonically that it makes sense that never hits the target This he's actually blind At least he's blind everyone else So, yeah, uh I'd say that part is the only part that I found interesting in that fight I was like, oh You're actually using the elements to your advantage. Cool. And then it was over.  Just like rrr, and then he just goes john and the calories just goes kane I wasn't sure what i'm supposed to make of that. I was like, okay um, and then a shot is taken and it's like just above kane's head and hits a pane of glass behind him And then another shot that's taken. It's just missing. It turns out it's mr. Nobody and he's shooting Shooting at them and uh It's unclear exactly what the fuck's going on, but you'll eventually find out He's protecting john like like we said, uh, not something you really have figured out yet. He explains this very soon um I don't know why he didn't kill kane I don't get it either. Um, I just I feel like if if this is your special gun It's a little lever action break apart like stealthy gun And it's just it's really not a hard shot at all actually Um, and he's this crazy assassin guy. You think you'd just shoot the dude and be done with it But this is just the movie if we fully reset on on specific motives and let's see if they match up It's like why would mr. Nobody kill kane. It's like well If you kill kane john's bounty is probably gonna go up because kane's one of the best assassins in the world And that's just another person down for the count going after john wick and he wants the bounty to go up So cool. So that's that's one reason why else would he want to do it? It's like well kane is his competitor if kane kills john wick He doesn't get the bounty at all Like not only is it less of a bounty, but it's not a bounty. He can even cash. That's just gone that goes to kane slash The high table. It's all gone Like, hmm, okay Anything else like maybe he doesn't want to kill him because you'll get in trouble with the table It's like how would the table know Like it's three of them in that room. He could shoot him and then just leave Let's do it. Yep. Just shoot him and leave so He's only an obstacle to mr. Nobody and if he killed him it would actually improve the odds of the bounty going up So I actually have no clue why he didn't kill kane in that moment The only thing that you might be able to argue is that he actually did genuinely miss twice I think that's what we're supposed to believe, but the problem is that's in that's just incredible That is incredible.  Okay, nobody He maybe he is just legitimately lying to make himself seem like he's not as threatening Oh, I'm just a blind man. I can't see where I'm going. I don't know what's happening. Don't shoot me Nope, my kane isn't a sword Why wait, why would I say that? That's why did I say that I'm just a crazy old man who says crazy things Come closer, please Um So yeah, uh wicks bounty does actually go up in this moment as well it goes from Whatever it was. I guess seven or 10 million. It goes up to 20 million Mm-hmm Yeah, it's a big big old chungus and then uh, we we get so you know What's gonna happen to kane and john after that separation? Well, we'll get john's side first John runs out into just out of the building and into a forest filled with men who have guns and they all start shooting at him And of course they all miss yep, they all miss they're all they're out there apparently waiting for them They're just in the woods. I don't know. Yeah, it's a really weird scene to be honest with you He's just like here. I am in the woods now.    Nobody is still looking after him And that's that's what just happened and john's like, I don't know you and the tracker guy goes I know you He goes, huh you a tracker how much? And I guess that means john's already figured out that this guy is waiting to collect on The money at some point because he says not enough but it's getting there And so john looks at him weirdly and they look at each other a bit weirdly and then tracker man shoots and You need to really picture this you are john wick you are just across from the guy He's vaguely aiming at you. You're not I think he's aiming at john's aiming at him He raises the gun and shoots now Who he's shooting at is right behind john to the left And so technically saved john's life But is that something that goes through your head if you're john wick when that happens in that moment? Or do you think he's trying to kill me?     It's a famous death scene in uh season like six or seven is uh I don't even know if I can say she's a fan made fave character chat left to help me out on that one But it's a girl who really there's like this cop lady who everyone hates and and It's like this blonde character Someone will remind me of your name in chat as i'm explaining this and I'll say I promise But she hates cop lady There's like a piece that's established between two teams and cop lady's like leading them and this girl is Getting delivered back to the good guy team But she wants to have I think it's beth is it beth it could be beth and she's like I hate cop lady.  I'm going to stab her in the shoulder with the scissors Which okay, as you guys can already imagine.   That was crazy.  I just remember being like, what the hell did I just watch? Um walking dead check it out if you want to I wouldn't recommend Well, how many seasons are there now 12? Seven Because there's other spin-offs that have been gone for years at this point, right? I say like fear the walking dead is up to eight seasons or something.  What did she expect was gonna happen? I don't know. It's all over the place. We don't need to be out of lies walking dead. It'll be here all day But she just being sure we're getting stabbed in the shoulder That's dude. That's the thing. I wasn't gonna go into it, but I remember talking about a friend to a friend I was like imagine how beth thought that was gonna go I'll stab her and then she'll go ow Ah What did you think was gonna happen?     Why isn't he killing this guy?   I don't want him around when my bounty is high enough for him He should just say thanks, bro. Uh, see you later and then just stand there totally still while Mr. Nobody start like turns around and kind of looks over a shoulder like, yeah, see you buddy It's amusing to me too because like mr.  Fuck. I guess I could if I kill you exactly Just like that that conflict would be enough for john to just be like a boom dead. Bye Anyway, now we're moving on. So that's that's john's portion of the story. What happened to cain now? You might be thinking to yourself. Okay, so you're in the big glass filled building and you got John went let's just say to the left exit. Okay. What did cain do?  Why didn't you just go the direction john went? Especially because john was just outside the building where he got into another gunfight.  Anyway, he's he's bumped into koji's like Okay, fine. I guess that's what's happening now and he says to koji.  Yeah, john could be anywhere in the continental It's a big place. In fact, the person who has better knowledge on where john currently is than koji is cain so I don't know like there's a lot to this that I hate the dialogue I'm just like, why does why do you think what do you think koji's going to say to you right now? He is moving through, you know F block and he's heading to the the southeast exit He's just gonna ask him anyway. It's just like, hey, buddy. Come on. Which is you're not fine. Whatever I just I just find it funny It's more than likely that he wouldn't be able to tell you anything But you may as well ask the question. Fine. See what he says and the guy says, you know, I won't tell you Because I physically don't know Yes, he's like because you don't know because because principally you cannot give it whatever and uh Cain says you owe him nothing. He doesn't even have a marker on you I just it's so funny.   What's the point and it's like well because he doesn't want to give up john's location. It's like w