This study investigated the effects of Abyssinia marina leaf extract on carbon tetrachloride-induced renal toxicity in rats. The results showed that the extract significantly decreased the levels of liver enzymes such as AST, ALT, and ALP, as well as lactic acid dehydrogenase, indicating that it may be effective in treating renal toxicity caused by carbon tetrachloride. Additionally, the extract was found to reduce necrosis, inflammation, and improve renal tubule structure. This suggests that Abyssinia marina leaf extract could be a potential therapeutic agent for treating renal toxicity caused by carbon tetrachloride. This article was authored by Nazar Maratzee, Sidenahid Movisag, and Mahmud Rafienko P.I.


In the previous video of part 1, we have already learned that PDF is not just containing a text, it also contains images, phones, vector objects, etc. So, let's consider one situation, let's say you are giving some presentation to your client in PDF and it contains some images or vector graphics and you don't want to show it while you are presenting. So, in this situation, PDF multi-tool will come to the rescue. How? Let us see. Here, let me open one PDF file which contains images and vectors. So, as you can see that this document contains text and images and in the next page, it contains some vector objects. Actually, vector objects are computer graphic images that are defined in terms of points on a Cartesian plane which are connected by lines and curves to form polygons and other shapes. So, when you open any PDF file in this tool, it will add the layers for that objects and you can hide or show that layers. Let's move on to page number 1. Now, when you right-click on this PDF file, at the time you can see these options like so text objects, so images, so vector objects. So, let's say if I click so images option, then it will hide all the images from this PDF. And same way, if I select so text objects option, then it will hide the text from this PDF file. Now, let's go to page number 2. Now, if I select show vector objects option, then it will hide all the vector objects from this PDF document. Alright, now let us move ahead. Okay, so nowadays people use PDF on a large scale for reading, presenting and many other purposes. And many websites store data in a PDF file for viewers to download instead of posting on the web pages, which brings changes to the web scraping application. Every single person that works with PDF files has probably came across a situation where they need to extract certain information from PDF to CSV or PDF to JSON or PDF to XML. You can of course manually copy the content from PDF to any text file or Excel file, but what if you have a tons of PDF file, which you need to extract. Fortunately, ByteScout provides many solutions for it like PDF.co REST API or on-premises PDF extractor SDK or of course this PDF multi-tool. They are all in one solution that helps extract data from PDF to CSV or Excel file and so on. We will study about the PDF.co REST API and PDF extractor SDK in brief later on in this course. Now, let's open one sample invoice file. Now, as we studied in the previous module that PDF contains set of text objects with coordinates to be visually aligned. So let's say I want to convert this PDF content in text file. So for that, let me click on this link button and it will open this pop up and this pop up contain different options like when you convert it into text file. At that time, do you want to preserve the text formatting? Say yes, then you need to check on this checkbox and these options contain OCR related options. So text in PDF document may be of type fonts, scan images or text drawn with vector lines or curves which are not fonts. So for that, you need to select different options from this OCR mode dropdown as per your requirement. In our case, let us select OCR mode option to auto and then if your PDF contains more than one pages and you want to read or extract only limited number of pages, then you need to give page range over here. But in our case, let us use the first option. PDF multi tool gives us two ways to get the content. Either you can get the content in the clipboard by using this button or you can generate text file by click on this button. So let me go with this option. Now let us click on this button that it will ask us to save the file. So let us save the file in this location. Let me click on this save button. So as you can see that once the process is finished, this utility automatically open generated file in your default editor. So here you can see that the formatting is preserved as per the original PDF file which looks like this.


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In order to add learning activities and resources to your course, or even to change the wording and description in your course sections, you need to have the editing turned on. So let's take a look at that now and see what the editing icons mean and do. We turn the editing on either by clicking the button top right, or by going to the administration block and clicking the link, turn editing on. Icons appear then in the blocks and against each activity or resource which we have. So let's zoom in and take a look at them. Your theme may have different editing icons from this, but they will be in the same order. The first icon which here looks like a pencil, if you click it, it allows you immediately to change the title of a particular resource or activity. Then click enter and you've changed it very quickly. The arrow allows you to indent an activity or resource to the right, or then back to the left. And the icon which looks like a crosshairs icon, when you click on it, you can drag an activity or resource into a different location. If you don't see this but you see two arrows, one up and one down, it's worth asking your administrator to check your browser settings or the Moodle site settings. The next icon allows you to go into the edit screen for the resource and activity and update it in more detail. The icon next allows you to make a quick copy of a resource or an activity to duplicate it, for example for a different class or group. And the next icon, the X, is for deleting. So for example if we go over to the search forums block on the left here, if we click it with the X, we're then asked whether we're sure that we want to delete this block and when we click yes, it's gone. In the case of blocks, we can add blocks back again by clicking the add a block dropdown and selecting it. We'll look at blocks in another video later. The I enables you to hide a resource or activity from a student or a learner and we can check this by clicking it. Now you can see the I has a line through it. Then if we go down to the administration block to the very bottom, there is a link switch role to and as a teacher, we can switch our role amongst others to a student or a learner as we've renamed it in this course. This then re-displays the course page as our student or learner would see it and the announcements are nowhere to be seen because we've hidden them. So if we go back in the administration block and click to return to my normal role, we'll then remember to turn the editing on again. We can see that the announcements block hasn't vanished, it's just that we hid it with the icon. Finally the icons at the end relate to groups and roles, something which we won't go into in too much detail in this Teaching with Moodle introduction course.


Okay, welcome back. Let's continue with chapter 3 of section 3. So we've established one of the key importance basis for living an overcome life is the cross of Jesus Christ. The cross of Jesus Christ accomplished three things. What are they? Defeated Satan. He has redeemed us. So Satan's been defeated. The hour of sin has been defeated. We've been redeemed. Okay, and also our identity established towards the end of it. We saw that whoever's in Christ is a new creation. Let's continue looking at a few more things. In this chapter, we will look at how we can use the word of God to live an overcoming life. Okay, the word of God. Okay, we overcome with the word 1 John chapter 2 verse 14. I have written to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning.  Right?  Okay, so what does it mean when it says that the word of God abides in us? Yeah, it simply means that the word is taken resident in our hearts. Right? It's taken resident in our hearts. Right? And so and everything becomes easy to access. For example, if let's say I have a bag over here, right? And I'm carrying, I'm carrying this bag and for my safety, let's say I have a pepper spray. Okay, for my safety, now we can say that as a weapon in a sense, right? We can self-defense as well. But for the sake of self-defense, for my own safety and protection, I have a pepper spray or whatever weapon you want to imagine you imagine. Okay, but here's the thing. So now, in times of danger, if I'm attacked and whatnot, if it's far away from me, it's going to take time for me to access the weapon and use it, right? Versus if it's with me on me. It's not enough to know that you have a weapon. Your weapon should be easily accessible. Okay, it's one thing to know that you have a weapon, and it's another thing to have that weapon easily accessible. Okay, so very soon we will see that the scripture says the word of God is a sword, isn't it? But it's very important that his word abides in us. It takes a resident in us. Okay, so what can we do? First point is feed your inner person with the word. Okay, feed your inner person with the word. Okay, so as believers, we must understand that nothing can take the place of our own personal reading or hearing of God's word. You can highlight that if you want. Nothing can take the place of our own personal reading of God's word. Nobody else can do this on your behalf. You cannot expect me to read the Bible for you and for you to be for your inner man to be strong.  Is that possible?  Okay, so don't expect your pastor to do all the work for you. Okay. Oh, no, my pastor is there. He'll take care of it. Oh, my pastor is there. He'll take care of it. He's player warrior. No, you have to take responsibility, right? Because most of the times what we expect is, see, there's nothing wrong in imparting. I believe that. Right? It's biblical as well. You impart, right?  What I cannot impart over you is my history with God. What I cannot impart over you is my history with him, right? All the moments that has drawn me closer to him, all the moments in history that has been challenging, but then he spoke to me through his word, right? I've used this example many times before and I can use, show my Bible and say, okay, on 2007 of August 14th, he spoke to me through Psalm 27 verse 8, you know, and in 2005, July of 2005, when I got my second POC results, I can show you how he spoke to me through Isaiah 53, 54, and when I didn't understand the context of it, when I didn't understand who Isaiah was, when I didn't understand what was he writing about, if he was prophesying nothing, I had no idea what the context or who Isaiah was, but yet through his word, through the Spirit of God, he comforted me. All of those things I cannot impart. Yes?  Jesus used the word. Again, so fundamental, we know the story. When the devil was trying to tempt him, Jesus said, it is written. It is written. It is written, isn't it? If you know anything about the education system of the Jewish culture, from the time a kid, a child is two, they're sent to school, and their school is Bible College, Torah, right? And by the time they are eight or nine, they have memorized the entire, you know, the Torah or, yeah, the Old Testament, Tanakh. Now, why were, you see, Jesus understood the audience that he was preaching or teaching to. And so most of the time, why the teachers of the law was offended or angry at him was not directly because of the verse that he was quoting. It is because of the verse that is before the verse he is quoting or after the verse that he is quoting. Because everybody, his audience were so intelligent that they knew the context. That means they knew the Tanakh by heart. What does it mean? Again, easily accessible, the weapon. Okay. So, feed your inner person with the word. First Peter chapter two verse two, it says, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word that you may grow thereby. Acts 2032.  In Revelation, we know again, John one in the beginning was the word, he is the word of God, right? In Revelation and his name is the word of God. I forget that chapter, but that's what it says. Okay. Second point is renew your mind with the word. Renew your mind with the word. Simply means your mind now has to be aligned with the word of God. That's what it simply is. To renew your mind with the word, it simply means, okay, you cannot, your old self has died now and you cannot continue to think the way you thought as the old man did, right? Everything, your thought process, everything has to be in line with what the word of God says. Are you with me? Okay. Again, I made this point before, but you know this prayer that Moses makes saying, show me your ways that I may know you. One of the things that is, one of the components that is associated with knowing or learning the ways of God is one, is you have to unlearn your ways, right? To show me your ways that I may know you. There's an element there where I'm going to unlearn my ways. That's why I'm willing to learn your ways. Okay. And that is the renewing of the mind is that our mind is now aligned to the word of God. So, feed your inner man with the word of God. Become hungry for his word. Okay.    But some of them just read the Bible in their leisure. So, it's also that, you know, so we read the Bible, we study the Bible. That means you take the time to do a word study, to do a verse mapping, right? To do a book study, to do a character study. Like, how many of us do that? And all of that is building your inner man. Yes. Yeah, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but just coming to Bible College alone is not enough. It's genuinely, it's not enough. Because again, here, the word is being taught to you. And yes, it is, you know, beneficial. And you are being benefited by what you're learning, right? It equips you, it empowers you. But that alone is not enough. You have to open up the word for yourself and read it for yourself and meditate on it, let it minister to you. Yeah. Okay. So, feed your inner man, renew your mind with the word of God, and then speak the word. Speak the word. In Ephesians chapter 6 verse 17, we see that it says, take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, right?  And Revelation, again, it talks about how there was like a double-edged sword was coming out of the mouth of Jesus. It simply is an imagery for the words, right? And you know, the scripture, again, Revelation, it says they overcame with the word, right? And the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony. You see the cross there and then the word. Okay. So, there's something about declaring the word. And that is why we make our declaration every Sunday at APC, right? I'm redeemed, I'm blessed, I'm victorious, I'm prosperous, right? I'm triumphant. I'm a minister of God, a servant of Christ and the channel of His blessing, right? There's something about declaring who we are, right? Bible says it is without faith, it is impossible to please God, right? It is without faith, it is impossible to please Him.  And so, something about declaring words of faith that pleases the heart of God, that causes Him to act in following, okay? So, speaking the word is powerful, right? If Jesus used it, I'm sure we can. I say it is written, I am born of God, I'm a child of God, and therefore I am an overcomer. I hope everybody is okay online as well, following. All right, three simple points, just moving on to walking in the Spirit chapter 4. So, these first four chapters are like the basis fundamentals for the remainder of the section. It's, and if you understood these four chapters, the remaining is the same thing that's applied or taught. Walking in the Spirit. Okay, okay. Here's what, give me one answer, one quick answer as to why it is important for us to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And why is the baptism of the Holy Spirit important? What's important? Okay, thank you. Sorry. Okay, I can hear from God, okay. Yeah, I can overcomer flesh your desires all right. Yeah, that is what Jesus said.  Yeah, there are so many things, right? But then one of the immediate and the first things that we see what Jesus is telling is that I will send, right? And then you will be my witnesses, right? And so that is like the key, like the first point of us is the Holy Spirit helps us to be witness of Jesus, right? And then everything else, you know, it's not like in different steps. But then one of the key things is that Jesus was, he did everything he did with the power of the Holy Spirit, right? And with everything that he did with healing the sick, raising the dead, cleansing the lepers and all of that, he revealed the Father. That was Jesus being a witness of who his father is. And so now with how we are witnesses of Jesus is when we are filled with the Holy Spirit is we are called to do the same thing. We preach the gospel, right? We are called to minister, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, etc., etc. And we can do all of those things with the power of the Holy Spirit, right?  So can we, can someone read Romans chapter 8 verse 1 to 14, please? It's a lot of reading, but I hope it's okay. Romans chapter 8 verse 1 to 14. So it was the Lord who did not do in that letter speak to the flesh. God did by sending his homes and the likeness of sinful flesh on account of sin. He condemned the sin in the flesh that the righteousness requirement of the Lord might be fulfilled in his own. Who did not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. So those who lived according to the flesh, it is said there are lines of things of the flesh that those who lived according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. But to be carnally minded is death, but not to be, but to be spiritual indeed, minded is life and death. Because the carnally minded is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then those who are flesh cannot be God, but you are not into the spirit of the Spirit. But if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you, if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of his righteousness.  Therefore, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh to live according to the Spirit.  But if you revive the Spirit, you will be dead and the needs of the body you will live. So as many as are led by the Spirit of God, please ask. Okay, thank you. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. Now it's interesting how it ends in verse 14, because from verse one he talks about walking in the Spirit, the importance of it. And then finally he concludes, I mean not concludes per se, but verse 14 he says that we are led by the Spirit. So if we are led by the Spirit, we can walk by the Spirit. And if we walk by the Spirit, we can overcome this life. And it's very similar to the previous point that we learned that for renewed mind, we need to be aligned with the Word of God. Yes. And another component or another side of the coin to live a life of holiness is to be led by the Holy Spirit. Okay, two famous scriptures. Again, we look at that in just a minute. Ephesians chapter 5 verse 15, it says be filled with the Holy Spirit, right? Be filled with the Holy Spirit, right?  And then Colossians chapter 3 verse 16, it says, let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly. That means let it take a residence in you richly. Okay, so two important things, the Word of Christ and the Holy Spirit. Okay, Ephesians chapter 5 actually starts off by saying, be imitators of Christ. And then how we can imitate Christ is through the Holy Spirit by being filled with the Holy Spirit and not being drunk with wine. Okay, so Romans chapter 8 is key. Again, Romans chapter 6 talks about how we are dead to sin. Okay, our old sinful man has been crucified. Romans chapter 7 says, see, your flesh is going to have evil desires, fleshly desires. You can try all that you want with your flesh, but it's going to be challenging. And then therefore, he says, now there is therefore no condemnation. That's why Paul starts chapter 8 with, like that, by saying therefore, walk in the spirit because it is the Holy Spirit who's going to empower you to live a holy life. Are you following? That is Romans 8. Let's look at Galatians chapter 5 verse 16 to 26. So that you will not do things that you wish, but if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. Now the words with the flesh are evident, which are, are a real foundation and meaning and purpose. Let us, are a real source of hatred, hatred, contractions, jealousies, outbursts of love, selfish ambitions, dissentions, helices, envy, murder, drunkenness, reveries, and the like of which I did before famine. Just as I also told you one time past, that those who practice such things will not money into the kingdom. But if you go to spirit, please learn, join, please, concentrate, finance, but this will influence your business. So maybe such things and those who are, I guess, have crucified flesh with its passion, passions and desires. If you experience it, let us walk in spirit. Let us not become conceited or working one another in waiting a moment. Okay, thank you. Very beautiful passage of scripture, isn't it? Emphasizing anything to do with walking with the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Holy Spirit, these three chapters are key. Romans chapter 8, Galatians chapter 5, Ephesians chapter 5. Very important passages when it comes to the Holy Spirit being filled with the Holy Spirit. So we know Romans chapter 8 was concluded by saying that you have to be led by the Holy Spirit. What happens when we are not led by the Holy Spirit? We are led by the flesh. We were given to our fleshly desires. Sure, there are some, you know, we have good desires. You know, not everything we desire is evil per say. Right? Yes, isn't it? But at the same time, we need to recognize that, you know, scriptures like Matthew chapter 15 verse 19 says, for every sexual immoral desires, it comes from the heart. Sorry. And Proverbs 4, 23 says, guard your heart diligently. Right? Because if you don't guard it, it is easy to be offended. That means it is easy to fall, become a trap or trip. Right? So Galatians 5, 16. Excuse me, guys. Sorry. That's what I'm saying. But I say walk by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. So have you seen a hungry person? Okay, now who is hungry? What makes a person hungry? Or what makes a person desire food? Okay, so that is a very obvious thing, isn't it? But here's the thing. In one of the books of C.S. Lewis, I forget, he talks about the flesh. So he says, there are two kinds of people. Okay, now if you go give a food to someone who is very hungry and starving, they will grab it. But it is also the same with a person who's have had abundance of food. And they've tasted something abundantly and then they crave for more of it. Yes. So as let's say, for example, as a porn addict, or as an alcoholic, I've tasted it. I've seen it. I want to see some more. I want to see some more. I want to see some more. Just one more peg. One more peg. Just one more peg. Some more. Just one more video. Just one more video. What is happening? Yeah, your appetite for a particular thing is increasing. Are you with me? Your appetite for a particular thing is increasing because you're feeding it more. Same thing applies with spirit, right? Or you've tasted him. You want more of him. You want more of him, isn't it? And so, and that's why fasting is beautiful. It kills your flesh. It is teaching your flesh to be submissive, right? It is, you're changing the perspective of it. It's like you're not gratifying the desires of the flesh. You are saying who's the master? Are you with me? Yes, no, maybe. Yeah. One of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, when we think of Sodom and Gomorrah, it's not just their sexual immorality. It is in Ezekiel, it says that they had abundance of food. And in the context, you see that they were not being hospitable to the cities around them. Hospitality was not their mark of value or a principle. And because they did not know what hospitality was, that's why they wanted to misbehave with the guests of Lot. Understood? Because like, hey, I heard their guests in your house, send them out.  That means a lot of things happening there. They did not know how to host. That's what hospitality is. I heard someone say this, I made a very powerful statement. It made me think, it says, if you know how to host people, you will know how to host God. Right? And because of the abundance of everything that Sodom and Gomorrah had, they were blinded, arrogant, pride, and they're not hospitable. Are you with me? Okay. So when we learn to not gratify our flesh, we're also learning to host His presence. We're learning to be led by the Holy Spirit. And for us to follow someone, you need to see where they are going and you need to hear what they are saying. Yeah?  I say, okay, so you begin to hear Him. You begin to recognize His presence that, okay, He is here. He's speaking. Being sensitive to the leading of His Holy Spirit is very crucial, okay, to say the least. All right. So how do I do this practically? How do we walk in the Spirit practically day by day is to be filled with the Spirit? It is a command. Right? And I've used this example so many times, the Christians are very good at following part of that command. They don't be drunk in wine. Absolutely. You know, no question. Shoot, no chance. I only drink grape juice, pastor. I'm very good at following the first half of the commandment. What about the second half? Complete ignorance. But be filled with the Spirit. Now, in the next page, we'll look at when we are filled with the Holy Spirit, what happens, but we'll get to that in just a second.  Romans chapter 8 verse 5, it says, for those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh. For those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. Okay, anything, whatever you want to add to the things of the flesh, you can feel free to add to it. Okay, keeping in mind, Matthew chapter 15 verse 19, and for those who live according to the Spirit, they set their minds on the things of the Spirit. Passion translation says, those who are motivated by the flesh only pursue what benefits themselves. But those who live by the impulses of the Holy Spirit are motivated by pursue spiritual realities. Different contemporary English version says, everyone who's ruled by the Spirit thinks about spiritual things. But those who live following the Spirit are thinking about what Spirit wants them to do. Good news Bible. Those who live as a Spirit tells them to have their minds controlled by what the Spirit wants. Holy Spirit is one of the God heads of the Trinity. From Genesis chapter 1, He's been involved. The Spirit was brooding over the waters. He's moving. The Spirit of God is constantly on the move. Are we following the same question? I think Isaiah chapter 63 verse 10 says, the Holy Spirit was grieved. The Holy Spirit was grieved. Isaiah 63, 10. In 2 Samuel 23 verse 1, 2, and 3, this is recorded as the last words of David. Then David writes, the Spirit of the Lord is on me and his word is on my tongue. He writes that. And so people most of the times ask, okay, where is the Holy Spirit mentioned in the Old Testament? Yeah, how many verses do you want? But yeah, the Holy Spirit, He is power. Stay spiritually minded. Ask the Holy Spirit for help and then speak the word. Okay, so four important points. How do I do this practically? That means how do we walk in the Spirit? How do we live in the Spirit and how can we be led by the Spirit?  He wants to fill us. One of the things we teach in the baptism of the Holy Spirit is that John the Baptist says, I baptize you in the water, but there it comes after me. Who will baptize you in spirit and in fire? And when John the Baptist is saying, he's talking about Jesus, he baptizes you. So first thing, who baptizes us? Jesus. He's the baptizer. And then we know this in Acts chapter 2. It says that he came like a rushing wind. The sound was heard. There was an audible sound that when this wind came. So the Hebrew word for spirit is Ruah and it means breath and wind. It's used in, you know, so it's breath and wind. And so when the wind of God came, when He came, there was a sound that broke the barrier of the city. Okay, we can talk about just the importance of releasing a sound. I mean, why do we emphasize on speaking the word because you're releasing a sound? God said and there was. Right? He released a sound and then there was. Right? And so when the Holy Spirit came, there was a sound barrier that was over the city that was broken and it came like a rushing wind. Right? So that word rush is an interesting word. When would you rush when you're in a hurry, when you want to be somewhere really badly? Isn't it? Airport rush, rush hour traffic, we say that. And so that goes on to say, it simply means to say that the Holy Spirit, when He came like a rushing wind, He really wanted to be there more than they wanted Him. Right? And so when we say that stay filled with the Holy Spirit, we need to know that He longs to fill us. He wants to fill us. He desires to fill us in the fullness of who He is. So being filled with the Holy Spirit and that helps us and staying spiritually minded, ask the Holy Spirit for help and speak the word. And now we will look at as a concluding section. Now, how do I know if I'm walking in the Spirit? Okay, last section, guys. So pay attention and we'll close. This whole course is coming down to this. So how can I, how can we tell if I'm really living filled with the Spirit and walking in the Spirit? First one, I will manifest the fruit of the Spirit. I will manifest the fruit of the Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit. We can read about it in Galatians. We just read, right? 519 to 21. Patience, kindness, gentleness, longsuffering, etc. Okay, I will be manifesting the fruit of the Spirit. I will edify others. So Ephesians chapter five was 18 says be filled with the Spirit. So when you're filled with the Spirit, you sing songs, speak to one another in Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. Okay, and then I will be in a place of communion with the Lord, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God, the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. It causes you to worship. Those who worship me must worship in Spirit and in truth. There we go. And finally, the last point is I will walk with humility and submission, submitting to one another in the fear of God. So for simple points is I will manifest the fruit of the Spirit. It's not complicated, right? I will edify others. Does your life edify your neighbor? You can ask that question. Does your life edify another person? You need to ask yourself that question, right? There's something about a presence of a person. Presence is powerful, right?  That's the power of just a presence, like an innate thing that we carry, it's as simple as that. How many of you have been in a place where you're in a room, for example, like this and a person who always makes you laugh and happy and walks in and the entire room lights up? Have you been in a situation like that? Like, okay, I've been part of friends, circle and whatnot, okay, where the room can be dull, okay, they're all looking at the phone and this person can say, hey, what's up with the whole room? Like, hey, something about their presence, right? And at the same time, the opposite, a person who always carries this negative approach to life and there's nothing, and they step into the room and say, oh my gosh, she is here, she is here. And how much more were the Holy Spirit in us, right? And so you need to ask yourself that question.  Does it impact? Does your life edify one another? Are you walking in humility and submission? Because in this day and age, humility has been portrayed as weakness. The first person to apologize is always seen as a weak person. Yes or no? But you have to be strong to be humble, right? You have to be strong to be humble. You have to be strong to reach out and lift a weak person up. You have to be strong.  See, Radha? I would make, okay, so these are the four simple truths that tells us if we are walking in this period, okay? So the remainder of the chapters just simply echo these first fours of what we've learned, all right? And so I would urge you, if possible, I can also look, listen to the sermon series, look into his, the sermon notes. It's in more detail about it, all right? So the course on holiness, we began by looking at the Holy One of Israel, the Holy One, who's three times, who's twice holy, right? There is no one like him. There is none like him. His, the holiness adorns his house from that to how he desires for his children to be holy as he is holy. And then he begins this invitation. He calls us to repent and then he's made a way for us, right? To live an overcome life. So that is the course on holiness. I hope there's something that you could learn and it's edified and empowered you. And thank you for joining.  Continue to work on your assignments. I'll be looking forward to correcting it. Thank you, everyone. God bless you. Have a good day.


From around the globe, it's theCUBE covering Data Citizens 21 brought to you by Calibra. For the past decade, organizations have been affecting very deliberate data strategies and investing quite heavily in people, processes and technology specifically designed to gain insights from data, better serve customers, drive new revenue streams, we've heard this before. The results, quite frankly, have been mixed. As much of the effort is focused on analytics and technology designed to create a single version of the truth, which in many cases continues to be elusive. Moreover, the world of data is changing. Data is increasingly distributed, making collaboration and governance more challenging, especially where operational use cases are a priority. Hello, everyone, my name is Dave Vellante and you're watching theCUBE's coverage of Data Citizens 21 and we're pleased to welcome Michelle Getz, who's the Vice President and Principal Analyst at Forrester Research. Hello, Michelle, welcome to theCUBE. Hi, Dave, thanks for having me today. That's our pleasure. So I want to start, you serve a wide range of roles, including enterprise architects, CDOs, chief data officers, that is, analytics, analysts, et cetera, and many data related functions. And my first question is, what are they thinking about today? What's on their minds, these data experts? So there's actually two things happening. One is, what is the demand that's placed on data for our new intelligent digital systems? So we're seeing a lot of investment and interest in things like edge computing, and then how does that intersect with artificial intelligence to really run your business intelligently and drive new value propositions to be both adaptive to the market as well as resilient to changes that are unforeseen. The second thing is, then you create this massive complexity to managing the data, governing the data, orchestrating the data, because it's not just a centralized data warehouse environment anymore. You have a highly diverse and distributed landscape that you both control internally, as well as taking advantage of third party information. So really what the struggle then becomes is how do you trust the data? How do you govern it and secure or protect that data? And then how do you ensure that it's hyper contextualized to the types of value propositions that our intelligent systems are going to serve? Well, I think you're hitting on the key issues here. I mean, you're right, the data, and I sort of refer to this as well, it's sort of out there, it's distributed, it's at the edge, but generally our data organizations are actually quite centralized. And as well, you talk about the need to trust the data, obviously that's crucial. But are you seeing the organization change? I know you're talking about this to clients, your discussion about collaboration. How are you seeing that change? Yeah, so as you have to bring data into context of the insights that you're trying to get or the intelligence that's automating and scaling out the value streams and outcomes within your business, we're actually seeing a federated model emerge in organizations. So while there's still a centralized data management and data services organization led typically by enterprise architects for data, a data engineering team that's managing warehouses and data lakes, they're creating this great platform to access and orchestrate information. But we're also seeing data and analytics and governance teams come together under chief data officers or chief data and analytics officers. And this is really where the insights are being generated from either BI and analytics or from data science itself and having dedicated data engineers and stewards that are helping to access and prepare data for analytic efforts. And then lastly, this is the really interesting part is when you push data into the edge, the goal is that you're actually driving an experience and an application. And so in that case, we are seeing data engineering teams starting to be incorporated into the solutions teams that are aligned to lines of business or divisions themselves. And so really what's happening is if there is a solution consultant who is also overseeing value-based portfolio management, when you need to instrument the data to these new use cases and keep up with the pace of the business, it's this engineering team that is part of the DevOps workbench to execute on that. So really the balance is we need the core, we need to get to the insights and build our models for AI. And then the next piece is how do you activate all that? And there's a team over there to help. So it's really spreading the wealth and expertise where it needs to go. Yeah, I love that. A couple of things that really resonated with me. You talked about context a couple of times in this notion of a federated model because historically the sort of big data architecture, the team, they didn't have the context, the business context and my inference is that's changing. And I think that's critical. Your talk at Data Citizens is called how obsessive collaboration fuels scalable data ops. You talked about data, the DevOps team. What's the premise you put forth to the audience? So the point about obsessive collaboration is sort of taking the hubris out of your expertise on the data. Certainly there's a recognition by data professionals that the business understands and owns their data. They know the semantics, they know the context of it and just receiving the requirements on that was assumed to be okay. And then you can provide a data foundation, whether it's just the lake or whether you have a warehouse environment where you're pulling for your analytics. The reality is, is that as we move into more of a AI machine learning type of model, one, more context is necessary and you're kind of balancing between what are the things that you can ascribe to the data globally, which is what data engineers can support. And then there's what is unique about the data and the context of the data that is related to the business value and outcome as well as the feature engineering that is being done on the machine learning models. So there has to be a really tight link and collaboration between the data engineers, the data scientists and analysts and the business stakeholders themselves. You see a lot of pods starting up that way to build the intelligence within the system. And then lastly, what do you do with that model? What do you do with that data? What do you do with that insight? You now have to shift your collaboration over to the work bench that is going to pull all these components together to create the experiences and the automation that you're looking for. And that requires a different collaboration model around software development and still incorporating the business expertise from those stakeholders so that you're satisfying not only the quality of the code to run the solution, but the quality towards the outcome that meets the expectation and the time to value that your stakeholders have. So data teams aren't just sitting in the basement or in another part of the organization and digitally disconnected anymore. You're finding that they're having to work much more closely and side by side with their colleagues and stakeholders. You know, I think it's clear that you understand this space really well. Huber's out context in. I mean, that's kind of what's been lacking. And I'm glad you said you used the word anymore because I think it's a recognition that that's kind of what it was. They were down in the basement or out in some kind of silo. And I think, and I want to ask you this, I come back to organization because I think a lot of organizations have looked that most cost effective way for us to serve the business is to have a single data team with hyper specialized roles. That'll be the cheapest way, the most efficient way that we can serve them. And meanwhile, the business, which as you pointed out has the context is frustrated. They can't get to data. So this notion of a federated governance model is actually quite interesting. Are you seeing actual common use cases where this is being operationalized? Absolutely. I think the first place that you were seeing it was within the operational technology use cases. You know, they're the use cases where a lot of the manufacturing, industrial device, that, you know, any sort of IOT based use case really recognized that without applying data and intelligence to whatever process was going to be executed, it was really going to be challenging to know that you're creating the right foundation, meeting the SLA requirements, and then ultimately, you know, bringing the right quality and integrity to the data, let alone any sort of data protection and regulatory compliance that has to be necessary. So you already started seeing these solution teams coming together with the data engineers, solution developers, the analysts and data scientists and the business stakeholders to drive that. But that is starting to come back down into more of the IT mindset as well. And so data ops starts to emerge from that paradigm into more of the corporate types of use cases and sort of parrot that because there are customer experience use cases that have an IOT or edge component to them.  And so we really need to take into account not just the insight of analytics, but how do you feed that forward? And so this is really where you're seeing sort of the evolution of data ops as a competency not only to engineer the data and collaborate, but ensure that there's sort of an activation and alignment where the value is going to come out and still being trusted and governed. I got kind of a weird question, but I was talking to somebody in Israel the other day and they told me masks are off, the economy's booming. And he noted that Israel said, hey, we're going to pay up for the price of a vaccine that cost per dose, 28 bucks or whatever it was. And he pointed out that the EU haggled big time and we don't want to pay $19. And as a result, they're not as far along. Israel understood that the real value was opening up the economy. And so there's an analogy here, which I want to come back to my organization and it relates to the data ops is if the real metric is, hey, I have an idea for a data product, how long does it take to go from idea to monetization? That seems to me to be a better KPI than how much storage I have or how much petabytes I'm managing. So my question is, and it relates to data ops, can that data ops, should that data ops individual maybe live and maybe even the data engineer live inside of the business? And is that even feasible technically with this notion of federated governance? Are you seeing that? And maybe talk a little bit more about this data ops role. Is it fun? Yeah, it's definitely fungible. And in fact, when I talked about sort of those three units of there's your core enterprise services, data services, there's your BI and data. And then there's your line of business. All of those, the engineering and the ops is the data ops, which is living in all of those environments and being as close as possible to where the value proposition is being defined and designed. So absolutely being able to federate that. And I think the other piece on data ops that is really important is recognizing how the practices around continuous integration and continuous deployment using agile methodologies is really reshaping a lot of the waterfall approaches that were done before where data was lagging 12 to 18 months behind any sort of insights, but a lot of the platforms today assume that you're moving into a standard mature software development life cycle. And you can start seeing returns on investment within a quarter really, so that you can iterate and then speed that up so that you're delivering new value every two weeks. But it does change the mindset this data ops team aligned to solution development, aligned to a broader portfolio management of business capabilities and outcomes needs to understand how to appropriately scope the data products that they're delivering to incremental value-based milestones. So the business feels that they're getting improvements over time and not just waiting. So there's an MVP, you move forward on that and optimize, optimize, extend scale. So again, that CI CD mindset is helping to not bottleneck and wait for the complete field of dreams to come from your data and your insights. Thank you for that, Michelle. I want to come back to this idea of collaboration because over the last decade, we've seen attempts, I've seen software come out to try to help the various roles collaborate. And some of it's been okay, but you have these hyper-specialized roles. You've got data scientists, data engineers, quality engineers, analysts, et cetera. And they tend to be in their own little worlds, but at the end of the day, we rely on them all to get answers. So how can these data scientists, all these stewards, how can they collaborate better? What are you seeing there? You need to get them onto the same process. That's really what it comes down to. If you're working from different points of view, that's one thing, but if you're working from different processes, collaborating is really challenging. And I think the one thing that's really come out of this move to machine learning and AI is recognizing that you need processes that reinforce collaboration. So that's number one. So you see agile development in CI CD, not just for data ops, not just for dev ops, but also encouraging and propelling these projects and iterations for the data science teams as well, or even if there's machine learning engineers incorporated. And then certainly the business stakeholders are inserted within there as appropriate to accept what it is that is going to be developed. So processes is number one. Number two is what is the platform that's going to reinforce those processes and collaboration. And it's really about what's being shared. How do you share? So certainly what we're seeing within the platforms themselves is everybody contributing into some sort of a library where their components and products are being ascribed to and then that's able to help different teams grab those components and build out what those solutions are going to be. And in fact, what gets really cool about that is you don't always need hardcore data scientists anymore as you have this social platform for product, data product and analytic product development. This is where a lot of the auto ML begins because those who are less data science oriented but can build an insight pipeline can grab all the different components from the pipelines to the transformations to capture mechanisms to bolting into the model itself and allowing that to be delivered to the application. So really kind of balancing out between process and platforms that enable and encourage and almost force you to collaborate and manage through sharing. Thank you for that. I want to ask you about the role of data governance. You've mentioned trust and that's data quality and you've got teams that are focused on and specialists focused on data quality. There's the data catalog. Here's my question. You mentioned edge a couple of times and I can see a lot of that. I mean, today most AI is or a lot of, I would say most is modeling. And in the future, you mentioned edge. It's going to be a lot of inferencing in real time. And people maybe not going to have the time or be involved in that decision. So what are you seeing in terms of data governance? We talked about federated governance. This notion of a data catalog and maybe automating data quality without necessarily having it be so labor intensive. What are you seeing the trends there? Yeah, so I think our new environment, our new normal is that you have to be composable, interoperatable and portable. Portability is really the key here. So from a cataloging perspective and governance we would bring everything together into our catalogs and business glossaries. And it would be a reference point. It was like a massive wiki. Well, that's wonderful, but why just house it in a museum? You really want to activate that. And I think what's interesting about the technologies today for governance is that you can turn those rules and business logic and policies into services that are composable components and bring those into the solutions that you're defining. And in that way, what happens is that creates portability. You can drive them wherever they need to go. But from the composability and the interoperability portion of that you can put those services in the right place at the right time for what you need for an outcome. So that you start to become behaviorally driven on executing on governance rather than trying to write all of the governance down into transformations and controls to where the data lives. You can have quality and observability of that quality and performance right at the edge in context of behavior and use of that solution. You can run those services and governance on gateways that are managing and routing information at those solutions and where synchronization between the edge and the cloud comes up. And if it's appropriate during synchronization of the data back into the data lake you can run those services there. So there's a lot more flexibility and elasticity for today's modern approaches to cataloging and glossaries and governance of data than we had before. And that goes back into what we talked about earlier of like this is the new wave of data ops. This is how you bring data products to fruition now. Everything is about activation. So how do you see the future of data ops? And I kind of been pushing you to a more decentralized model where the business has more control because the business has the context. I mean, I feel as though, hey, we've done a great job of contextualizing our operational systems.  And you obviously understand that problem well. But so how do you see the future of data ops? So I think what's kind of interesting about that is we're going to go to governance on lead versus governance on right, more so. And what do I mean by that? That means that from a business perspective there's two sides of it. There's ensuring that where governance is run is as we talked about before executing at the appropriate place at the appropriate time. It's semantically domain centric driven not logical and system centric. So that's number one. Number two is also recognizing that business owners or business operations actually plays a role in this because as you're working within your CRM systems like a Salesforce, for example, you're using an iPad's environment, MuleSoft to connect to other applications, connect to other data sources, connect to other analytic sources. And what's happening there is that the data is being modeled and personalized to whatever view, insight, or task has to happen within those processes. So even CRM environments where we think of as sort of traditional technologies that we're used to are getting a lift both in terms of intelligence from the data, but also your flexibility and how you execute governance and quality services within that environment. And that actually opens up the data foundations a lot more and avoids you from having to do a lot of moving, copying, centralizing data and creating an over-weighted business application and then over both in terms of the data foundation but also in terms of the types of business services and status updates and processes that happen in the application itself. You're drawing those tasks back down to where they should be and where performance can be managed rather than trying to over-customize your application environment. And that gives you a lot more flexibility later too for any sort of upgrades or migrations that you want to make because all of the logic is contained back down in a service layer instead. Great perspective, Michelle.  My last question is, when you look out there, anything that's really excites you or any specific research that you're working on that you want to share that you're super pumped about? I think there's two things. One is it's truly incredible, the amount of insight and growth that is coming through data profiling and observation really understanding and contextualizing data anomalies so that you understand is data helping or hurting the business value and tying it very specifically to processes and metrics which is fantastic as well as models themselves like really understanding how data inputs and outputs are making a difference whether the model performs or not. And then I think the second thing is really the emergence of more active data, active insights as what we talked about before, your ability to package up services for governance and quality in particular that allow you to scale your data out towards the edge or where it's needed and doing so, not just so that you can run analytics but that you're also driving overall processes and value. So the research around the operationalization and activation of data is really exciting and looking at the networks and service mesh to bring those things together is kind of where I'm focusing right now because what's the point of having data in a database if it's not providing any value? Michelle Getz, Forrester Research. Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE. Really awesome perspectives. You're in an exciting space, so appreciate your time. Absolutely, thank you. And thank you for watching Data Citizens 21 on theCUBE. My name is Dave Vellante.


Live from London, England, it's theCUBE. Covering Discover 2016 London, brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Now, here's your host, Dave Vellante and Paul Gillis. Welcome back to HPE Discover 2016 in London, everybody. This is theCUBE, the worldwide leader in live tech coverage. John Knightley is here as the Vice President of Industry Solutions and Alliance Marketing at Hewlett Packard Enterprise. John, welcome to theCUBE, good to see you. Thank you for having me. You're welcome, long trip from San Francisco for you. It was, but we're happy to be here. It's beautiful weather here in London. Oh, it's great, isn't it? It's clear skies and big crowd, 10,000 plus here. I could see the audience is engaged and people are excited about the new Hewlett Packard Enterprise. One of the themes that you guys, of course, are hitting on is digital transformation. Everybody's hitting on that, but what does digital transformation mean to Hewlett Packard Enterprise? So we really see the world that we're living in as a world where everything increasingly computes. If you think about it, whether it's your car, your home, the cities you drive through, the factories, hospitals increasingly compute and software is embedded in just about everything we see and everything we touch. And that is enabling industries to move at a speed that they haven't moved before to understand their customers better than they've ever understood their customers, but increasingly also putting strains on the IT infrastructure that supports the enterprise. And so in a world where everything computes, we see digital transformation as happening. It's happening in every industry. It's happening at different speeds. So you think about things like music. It's already happened there the way we consume and purchase music. You think about industries like automotive where people are talking today about connected cars and five, 10 years down the road about autonomous vehicles. If you're an automobile manufacturer, there's a lot to grapple with in terms of what does that digital experience look like for your customers? How do you prepare for that? How do you take advantage of internet of things and digital to transform your whole manufacturing process? And then connected to that, if you're in the insurance industry, I was talking to a chief technologist of one of the major insurers, they're grappling with what is ensuring people for auto insurance mean in a world where you're moving to autonomous vehicles? Are you insuring the passengers? Are you insuring the car owner? Is the car owner a consumer? Is the car owner a company that's going to have a fleet of vehicles that are sort of available on demand? So regardless of what industry you're in, there's disruption happening and as a result, enterprises need to take advantage of the latest technologies to transform themselves. Well now when you talk about transformation, digital transformation is on the verge of becoming a buzzword. I think if you do a search on Google Trends, you see the spikes up like this. Can you make this real? I mean, are there examples of customers whether named or unnamed that you can cite that really have transformed themselves and tell us what they did? Yeah, so it's a great question. We did a survey actually and if you go to hpe.com slash nxt, you can read the results and actually take a benchmark yourself. It's called our digital transformation index. And in the survey we found that about 80% of companies see digital transformation as a reality for them today. And of that 26% basically see it as a competitive weapon and then the other 54% see it as doing what they do better. How do they digitize to improve their existing processes? There's about 20% that are still on the sidelines with their arms crossed waiting to see what happens. And by industry you're going to see varying results. So forward thinking industries like financial services, telecom, retail, they're above 85%. The ones that are leaning back are ones like public sector at 63% or transportation. So what does it really mean in those industries and what are they doing? Really we see it bucketing into three areas. So one is how do I take digital technologies and my understanding of my customers to improve customer experience. So a great example of that, one of our customers is Levi Stadium which hosted last year Super Bowl in the US. 80,000 fans, we helped Levi Stadium, Wi-Fi enabled that whole experience together with a mobile application that will allow you to buy your beer and hot dog from your seats and get it delivered to you in your seat, taking advantage of location-based services, as well as be able to navigate and find the right merchants, let's say, for your souvenirs through location-based services on your mobile device. So that's an example of customer experience. Second bucket around digital transformation is really around how you digitize existing products and services and wrap are those physical products and services with a digital experience or if you're in an industry like financial services, it's really about just enhancing the digital services that you already provide. So take an example, one of the customers we work with is a theme park operator and basically what they were able to do is transform the whole experience of families visiting the theme park with a device that the families could wear that would basically, they could wave as they go into a restaurant, they would know who the family is, what their preferences are and that they already have a reservation on tap, things like that. The third area is really around taking digital into improving your core business operations, whether it be manufacturing or supply chain or logistics. So a great example there is really what's happening around industrial internet of things. So how we're partnering with companies like GE Digital and national instruments to be able to bring intelligent computing to the edge of the enterprise and do things like predictive maintenance of equipment failure on the shop floor or an oil field or things like that where downtime can cost millions and millions of dollars. I saw a Gartner survey, I want to say yesterday on Twitter and it looked like it was a survey of IT professionals, CIOs and the IT function. And the question posed was how much are you spending of your budget on digital transformation initiatives this year and two years out? And it was relatively low because you go to conferences like this, hearing conversations like we're having here, it seems like everybody is looking at digital transformation and the figures were like maybe 20% of the budget, maybe grow into 28%. I was shocked at how low that was. So I was struck and said, well, every organization I talked to was spending money on this. So is it just that the IT function is not in charge of that initiative or am I missing something? Is it just all hype? It's a great question. I mean, the way we see it is that most of our traditional enterprise customers are dealing with decades of legacy technology that they've built up over the years or technical debt as we sometimes like to call it in the industry. And so if you think about it, most enterprises are stuck in this traditional pattern of 80% of the IT budget going to kind of maintain that existing technology and try to keep it up to date and only 20% going innovation. So probably hidden in that survey that you saw from Gartner's is some of that traditional challenge that money's locked into those existing systems. And so one of the things that we're really focusing on with the new Hewlett-Packard enterprise is making hybrid IT simple, helping the CIO and the central IT organizations dramatically modernize and streamline their traditional IT private clouds and even their use of public clouds and be able to expand those three kind of compute platforms to provide a much more agile infrastructure to deliver all these new apps and services that are going to power digital transformation. So really hopefully start to take the numbers down of the budget that has to be put aside for keeping the lights on and free up more for innovation dollars to transform. This digital transformation theme has been picked up. I mean, Boston Consulting Group has got it. McKinsey, Accenture, all of these big consulting firms are saying that they're going to accomplish this. Why would a company go to HPE for that goal? It's a great question. So first of all, let me make a point and with the new Hewlett-Packard enterprise we're much more focused, we're leaner than we've ever been before and we are really an ecosystem play. And so what we see our part in the ecosystem is really being really great at three things that are going to be sort of, if you will, powering the digital transformation. One is simplifying hybrid IT. So really helping deliver that platform across your traditional IT, your private cloud, your public cloud environment to power your apps and data workloads. The second area is really around powering the intelligent edge. What we mean by that is really outside the data center, outside your cloud environment, where you're interacting with customers, where you're making things, right? So your shop floor, your retail environment, where you're interacting with customers, bringing together the things that are there, the internet of things, the people on their mobile devices and the applications that are there to power new experiences. And then the last is really the expertise to bring this together to make it all happen. And that's really through our traditional services organization that has been doing this in different industries around the world. Where we see kind of an ecosystem play happening is partnering with those, some of the system integrator and advisory firms that you mentioned that are really good at business process. So they might know within financial services or within telecommunications or within retail, here are the core processes. They can bring the advisory capabilities to advise those end clients on process optimization and process change and business model change. We will help actually deliver the platform to speed that up and make it more agile for the end customer. To me, the partnering piece is so critical now for HPE, especially given the two major spin merges that you've done with the EDS component, and now going to CSC, and the software business going to MicroFocus, those are two capabilities that when you think about digital transformation, you think about large systems integration complexities that you could handle with that capability, and things in software, making SDKs available, reaching out to the developer community. Those two major components are now becoming largely partners and not your only partners. But at the same time, you don't have that vertical integration capability. So what specifically has, I know it's early days, but what has HPE done or will it do to facilitate those types of partnerships? Sure, so I'm very bullish actually on the new platform that we've got. We still have a software development team, 3,000 developers strong, and what we're doing there is really delivering on our vision of hybrid IT with our HPE OneView platform, our Helion cloud platform, and basically that's an API-driven set of platforms that allow you to plug and play in the latest, greatest stack elements, whether it be Chef and Puppet for DevOps, things like that, whether it be Docker for containers or Mesosphere and those sort of new stack players. We've got a very open stack now for being able to integrate best of breed players into the environment, as well as then services expertise to make that all work together. So, you know, that's number one. The API, open API is to be able to take the software layers from our partners and then integrate it seamlessly into our stack to be able to power the right mix of infrastructure to power that application or data workload. Then the other one is really partnering with services firms who can do the advisory work. And so, of course, ESCSC will remain a very important partner for us, but we're also playing very nicely with a lot of the big name integrators and advisory firms out there as they have deep industry expertise that they can bring to bear on some of our clients' deepest needs. Our previous guest was Alistair Winner of VP of Technology Services for Computer at HPE. Where does, who leads the project? Do you typically come in after Alistair has been engaged or do you lead that sale? So, Alistair, technical services is our main services arm. So, we would work, you know, in a case where we're working with partners, it really depends. So, there may be cases where we're leading and the client, because of our expertise, the client is entrusting the project entirely to technical services. There are other cases where maybe an advisory or SI is already working with a customer, maybe on business process design, and then brings us in to help finish that out and build, let's say, a private cloud environment to deliver on the applications that have to be delivered for that product. So, who drives digital transformation these days? Do you see it as a C-suite thing? Is it line of business? Do you see it as a C-suite initiative?  And, you know, Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, wrote a letter a year or two ago to shareholders about Wall Street is, sorry, Silicon Valley is coming. Really around the rise of fintechs and how fintech startups are potentially going to eat banks lunch if they don't, if banks don't sort of transform digitally. And so, we see that happening in just about every industry. And so, it's really a CEO-driven initiative with Chief Digital Officer, Chief Marketing Officer, CIL, all at the table to help make these projects come to life. And I love the conversation about the new stack. I mean, you need a new stack in order to service these new customers. I think Bobby Patrick is coming on later. He tweeted yesterday this compendium of logos of the new stack. And I was trying to pick them, okay, there's Docker, so we're going to unpack that with him. But, I really appreciate you coming on theCUBE and sharing your perspective. So, congratulations. It's a pleasure to be here with you. I like the deal. Okay, keep it right there, everybody. Paul and I will be back with our next guests. theCUBE, we're live from HPE Discover 2016. We'll be right back.


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