All right, we'll call the meeting to order. First up is to approve the agenda for the evening. Does anybody have anything they'd like to add to the agenda this time? I have just a couple of things. I don't know if we have to make it an item, but we need to set our times for meeting for October. So maybe we just add that to the bottom. Can you just straight up? Okay. So we're just setting our meetings for October because one of our meetings lands on Columbus Day. So we will set, we'll call it meeting scheduled for October. Put that down at the bottom. Also, like if it's okay with everybody, I'd like to see that Dylan's here. Joyce has an appointment for 6.15, but maybe we could list Dylan's as an appointment for, say, 6.30. That way he doesn't have to stay here for long. So if everybody's okay with that, move Dylan up to 6.15 right behind Joyce as an appointment. Talk about his piece of property. And I also just wanted to add, we can bring it up in other business or we can put it down here. But this weekend with the Ford Festival, we received a couple of comments in regards to the graffiti on the bridge here. There's quite a bit of people walking over the bridge. There's a lot of graffiti that's been spray painted. And I know it's not our property, it's the state's property, but maybe we can talk about what the offices there are. Maybe we can just add that in the bottom of the screen. Well, isn't it when we finish the bridge, we give it to the guy that that won't remain in it? That bridge it is. Yeah, so maybe it could be covered. It's the other bridge, it's not. Church Street. I think it's the bridge. Now, the bridge over on this one there is. The River Street. Yeah, the River Street is that the one I kind of look at the green side of it. So we'll just add an item. My guess is that when they replace, at the same time, this was replaced about 10 years ago. River Street. Just after I read the file. So we'll just call it, Lisa, we'll just call that one Church Street Bridge. Yeah, we'll look at it and see what's under. Church Street Bridge. So we should have, so we pour motions and ordinancees. We have, towards the bottom, we have a meeting scheduled for October. Church Street Bridge. Right. And then we put Dylan in for a 630 appointment. Yeah. Which kind of takes him out of the bottom. Thank you. All right. Any further changes? There is nothing on the air for executive session. Is there any executive sessions received? Look at work. Okay, all in favor? All right. Always have it. I know. Yeah. Got all that, Lisa? Yeah. All right. All right. Next up is public comment or inquiry. This would be anything that's not on the agenda for this evening. And that would be the time to bring that up. Anybody has anything that's not on the agenda tonight? Well, good. You're none? Move on. Joyce is on first. We have you for 615, but you're all set now to talk about your piece of property. All right. Okay. So we'll... I'd like to get in here a little better when you answer my questions or... I can hear what you say as long as what I say. Okay. And if we need to... Or if we need to, if we need me to repeat things, we can repeat them. That's fine, too. This will then interact more directly with that. It was just barely put on the market. And when it did, she told me that there would be no water user, water many kinds. So for three months, the toilet didn't even get flush. This gentleman that's in there is not the most reliable. Apparently didn't even do business at all. So I guess what I was most concerned about was that I've been reading and reading and reading about all the nice meetings and everything. And most of them have been... A lot of them have been about improving the main street of Bethlehem. And he had a fun when he built this store set that he hoped that everybody would take the hand and do things to improve the center of Bethlehem. He liked to have it look extremely nice. So when we had to close that, of course, I felt bad because that was supposed to be taken care of when he died. But we couldn't do it. So I couldn't understand why this bill was no water or sewer usage at all in our store was five hundred and fifty-five dollars. And that was almost triple what it had been. So I guess my explanation from you would be that why are you taking those avenues do things when we're trying very desperately to keep a beautiful center of town. I don't understand why all of a sudden they're getting these huge water bills my water bills are almost every three months what my taxes are. And I don't really want to relieve from it because I know other people have had the same thing and the water is regulated and it has to be. I know there's a big debt on the water. But number one, I think that they could consider a little bit about us people that are trying to keep our houses and staying in our houses as long as we can as elderly don't want to stay out of it. That's part of that. And there aren't a lot of women in town that are living by choice. I'm not saying anybody's shoving them to it, but by choice we want to live in our homes. And I just think the consideration should be given a little more to those people that are trying very desperately to keep things nice and trying desperately to keep their homes nice so that it'll be an attractive place to live. And hopefully we don't want to be non-supported. I want to support that school. I had five children go through that school and I love that school. And I want to support it. And I want to support the water, but this is kind of an appeal on my part for all the others that are living in town and having the same thing done to them. And I don't say you should do it on every portion of the property. I think we should do it on certain properties like mine as long as we can. But if we're the ones that are going to carry the load now, well, you've got your explanation. And I just sort of feel like we're appealing or I'm appealing to you to consider maybe not cutting in half or anything like that, but at least giving it a shot to reduce a little more manageable for us that are trying so hard to keep the town as nice as we can. I guess that's about it. So I guess what I can do, Joyce, is just kind of take you through the reasoning behind the new water policy that, well, new addendum to the water policy that we adopted a few months ago, which was we've had a water ordinance slash policy and found a beffle for ages. And but we've never really followed that as we should have. So there's been a lot of things in there. Like one thing like in your particular case with the vacancy rate is the vacancy rate in the past, for whatever reasons there were numbers that were picked. Water was $25. I think sewer was $50 or something like that. And if you weren't, you could anybody, a resident or a commercial piece of property, could if you didn't have anything going on in the building, you could ask for a vacancy rate. What we found out, well, the first thing is back up is as everybody knows, the cost of doing business for our utilities in this town outweighed the revenue that we were collecting. So it was costing us more than we were collecting. So first we had to examine what was going on there. So what Greg and us had put together was to see what actually is it, how much does it cost to actually run this water business or sewer business, right? And what we found out pretty quickly was about 80% of the cost of the infrastructure and water and sewer is fixed. So fixed being no matter if we deliver you a service inside the house or not, the service from starting at the treatment plant or the well heads to your house, the pipes, everything, the people to maintain it is 80% of the cost. And then the smaller piece of the cost is really from your curb stop to your house of using the water. What we also found at that time is in our ordinance, we had it in there that stated that a vacancy rate should be the fixed cost of the service. So like for example with water, it was $25 for water. But going through and doing the analysis of how much it costs us to deliver water to a home at 80%, we were charging, so let's say if you were on vacancy, right? We were charging you $25, but it was really costing the town 90. So that, you could see if you add all these up, it gets you into a position where where it costs you more money than you're taking in, so we have a negative rate. So we went through that exercise to figure out what the true cost of a vacancy would be. The good thing about it is in our policy it states that it should be the fixed cost of the system. We were just never following. So with the addendum to the policy, we, if someone was going to go on vacancy, then we wanted to at least cover the fixed cost of the water. So that doesn't include the water that goes inside the house. The other thing that we looked at too was on the commercial end of things, not on the residential, residential is pretty easy.  It's pretty easy. It's one house, one thing. If you have a building in town, no, but I'm saying you could. If you have a building in town and let's say you have a building that has four apartments, and let's say two of your apartments are rented and two are vacant, right? We have really no way of putting your account on vacancy rate because you have one curb stop or water inlet into your commercial property. So what had happened in doing some past things is there were some accounts that, let's say, had one water occupancy but say two or three vacancies and they were on vacancy rate. So that was cost that was incurred to the system that we weren't collecting any revenue from. So what we had determined after doing our assignments was that in the past there was a vacancy rate that you could take if you were a commercial property or a residential property. What we adopted for the policy amendment was that we would leave it with a residential so there still is a vacancy rate if you want to be a resident.  But the vacancy rate has raised. It went from $25 up to about $90. So just to cover the fixed cost of the water that goes to the house. Also now there's a feed come out and have someone because it takes someone's got to walk out there, someone's got to turn off the water and at some point someone's got to turn the water back on if it goes back on. So there's a fee incurred to do that. Commercial properties which is affecting you, Joyce, is we determined that it was difficult to offer a vacancy rate. So we took the vacancy rate away. Well, what I did, Joyce, is I went back and looked through your account a little bit. And so up until for whatever reason, up until March of 2017, you were paying, so each person looks back up. So your facility you have to call three equivalency units. And everything is done in New York recently. So based upon the layout and certain fixtures of your place, it had three equivalency units at first. So some of your bills that you used to have, and then in March of 2017, your account went on to the vacancy rate. So you are paying vacancy for three waters and three sewers at your resident or at your establishment. And then now you're seeing the big thing is because you went from paying a certain rate on vacancy rate to now actually paying the EU rate. But at the same time, the town had looked at your account and where before March of 2017, you were being charged on three equivalency units, so three units. I don't know how this goes. And what Greg and Theresa had done is they gone through and you're not billed on three of them anymore. You're billed on just under two, one point nothing. So you're being billed for less equivalency units than you were in the past. On the higher rate. Well, the reason why you're seeing a higher rate is because your account for a period of time for a year and a half was on vacancy rate for some reason. So when you said that you were paying a certain amount, I don't want to discuss your financials, but when you said that you were paying a certain amount, your account was on vacancy at that point, where now there is no vacancy rate. So now you're actually paying on that 1.9 equivalency unit, which is the new bill they had done. And if you go back and you look at what your bill just was versus what your bill was prior to March of 2017, you were paying higher than that prior to March 2017 if you're looking at records. So now what happens if the store is currently to say when you sell a stower, would it be more profitable to open up those apartment houses and let them sell heroin every week? That's what they were doing. And I didn't like that. That's why I vacancy the place. But see, this is all I saw was improvement in tobacco. Now it doesn't act like they're even considering that. It sounds to me like they're just us people that are still here and seem to have money enough. They almost carry the load. Well, I don't know what to sell. Of course, I want to sell it, but nothing left of me. I mean, no time left. So I figure I want to sell it. I know one bill is going to make that much difference, but I still think it should give it a little consideration. What I'm trying to do for the town, but it sounds to me like it's the town's going to do what it wants. So I'm not going to benefit it anyway, either way. What we had to do, Joyce, is make a fair and non-bias resolution for everybody.  One thing that you could do, we are the board of commissioners for water is if you're going through a period of time where you're trying to sell the place or say trying to fix the place up to renovate, you could come to the board with a proposal. We can't change your equivalency units for your pay, but if you brought us a proposal based upon I'm trying to sell it, I'm within a period of time, or I'm trying to renovate it within a period of time, then we can take a look at that proposal as a board, and we could give you your yay or nay on different, you know, whatever that proposal might be that you have for us. But as a town, we've set the policy, well, we've always had the policy, we're following the policy now, and then we made some amendments to the policy. So we can't change that. She said you had a new ordinance that you have to get charged with vacancy, not getting more. Not for commercial, no. No, for commercial. And to me, the commercial people are the people that are trying to save it, save the place. What's the balance there? Well, why are we trying to save the town if we're the ones that we're going to have to suffer terribly for? Well, we're trying, I mean, we're trying to work with businesses, Dylan's here tonight to talk about his property. I mean, I would say as a board, we're more annoying to work with individual businesses on each individual circumstance, but as a whole, as a group of town, you know, the policy is the policy. And there was, the policy's always been there. We made a couple of very, very small amendments to it, but we never as a town, never followed our own policy. That was the issue. So we, in some cases, we've got ourselves into this mess ourselves, just not following our own policy. So what we've done now is to say, well, one, we need to follow our own policy. And two, we made a couple of small amendments to fix some of the other issues that we had in regards to the system. But I think if you went back and looked at what you were, if you went back through your books of what you were being charged for water and sewer prior to March of 2017, you would see that your bill that you have now is less than the bill you were getting before in your case. And if you need to, I'm sure probably Therese or Greg would be more than happy to sit down with you and go through your bills and explain to you, you know, why you're being billed a certain way based upon, you know, your history on the building. And they might be able to help you with any type of proposal that you'd like to take to the board, which is us, in regards to selling or renovating the space that helps you. But as far as... So what was it said about it? What was the proposal made? It would be based on how much I'm selling the building for? Well, no, a proposal could be anything like... I mean, you could read my report.  Dylan's got the place for behind here. And he's looking at renovating it that he just purchased. And, you know, he is, he actually was sitting, well not in the same seat he was sitting over there, but he was sitting here a couple weeks ago and had almost the exact same questions that you have tonight, Joyce. And our recommendations for Dylan was to go sit down with Greg and Therese, which he did, because he's trying to renovate this parcel and come up with a proposal to the board of commissioners. And, you know, we're more than happy to hear proposals. I can't tell you it's 100% yes or 100% no, but we're more than welcome to hear proposals and then to go from there. And that might be, in his case, as a proposal to defer some water and sewer for a period of time while he can renovate his building. And in your case, it might be something similar or it could be, you know, I'm trying, you know, usually it's got to be, you know, what you want to do with that piece of property and what time frame you're looking for. Well, it's on the market now. Heritage Real estate and rental rules right as the agent. And it's been on now for, but I'm having trouble with the eviction. I evicted him back in my auction. I still haven't gotten out of there. Stuff's in there. And when he gets that out, she wants to go in the course and take pictures and show where the renovation is going to be. So she might be able to tell me in a, in an approximate way how much of a renovation is going to be, because maybe it won't be saleable until those renovations are done. Is that what the same thing that he's doing with this? Something in a roundabout way. I mean, he's not selling his, but he just bought it. He's looking now to ask a period of time where he can be reprieved of the water and sewer relief so that he can do the renovations to his building so that then he can have tenants in there and then he'll start to pay his water and sewer because Dylan's the same thing where there is no, there is no vacancy for that building. So he's going to get charged whatever to have that unless he gets reprieved. And you know, I would say the board's more than welcome. We'll hear any proposal. I mean, just, you know, and I would say probably the best thing to do in your circumstance, Joyce, would be one is maybe to sit down with Therese or Greg and just maybe just go over a little bit of the history of your bill because I don't want to do it in open session because that's your privacy. Go through the history of your bill and where it is based on where it was type thing. So that you understand why it is where it is. And then they could, they could help you out with, you know, how to write a proposal to the board type or, or by talking with them, what, what are you trying to do with the building? And they can probably help you out a little bit on that. Well, I have a slight feeling that there's going to have to be some reservation before the building will sell. On the other hand, I am negotiable. If my price is too high and they'll do the renovations and I would come down my price. I mean, I'm not, I'm not foolish now. I know that, you know, it's, it's, uh, when I price my homeowners, they told me my house in Vermont, I mean, in North Maine would be 850,000 to replace if anything happened to it. And I said, look, Lord, where'd that come from? Well, they said 150 dollars a square foot now is the estimate that contractors put on. So based on that, the renovation that I would expect they'd have to do, I probably put a price on. And that way it would be part of the proposal. Well, I mean, I mean, usually what in your case is, is figure out what exactly you want to do with your building and how long that's going to take and then ask, then ask the board for a reprieve for that time frame for your water and sewer bill. That would be, you know, in and around about what the proposal would be for. How would you ever decide how long it was going to be?  I mean, I can't just, you know, reprieve your water and sewer for the next five years because you don't know how long it might take to sell. You could even say maybe in the six month period, the next six month period. Yeah. And then revisit it, you know, at the end of the six month period. I mean, the only way we can do anything as water commissioners is to hear your proposal, which, you know, a proposal to me is, you know, what is it that you want to do with that property and how long is it going to take you? I haven't had any trouble growing up for a proposal, but whether it would be like for a contractor to look at and say, oh, yes, she did a nice proposal, but it isn't right. I'm not a contractor, but I'm not sure I could draw a proposal. Yeah. And I think what he means is not necessarily a cost, just how long. So, like what Dylan said was for the next year, I'm going to be in this building, it's empty. There's no water to it for the next year. Can you abate or forgive my water and sewer bill until, you know, within a year for a year? And then after a year, if it has, if nothing's been done or it's, there's still no need for water and sewer, we will revisit what we're going to do. So that he's asked for basically one year of relief from water. You got an abatement? Yeah, it's considered an abatement. I guess it's probably the right term, but forgiveness, whatever you want to call it, yeah. But his is based on, you know, he's in there doing something, there's no water to it, and he's asking for whatever, 100%, 50%, whatever you want to ask for. That's what they're talking about a little more. It's just, here's what the building and years could be something like, I'm trying to sell the building, there's no water being used, it's on the market, I'm hoping to sell it within a year or six months, whatever, and then you kind of ask for it that year. And just tell them what you want. I want a year of paying 50% of my water to sewer. I want a year of paying zero or whatever you want to do. I could definitely help you with that. And then you just bring it to us, Joyce, and then as a group, we'll talk about it in open session just like this. We'll talk about your proposal and then we will discuss it and vote on, you know, either that proposal or something that's very similar or, you know. I was thinking that you could get the advice of the real estate agent, you know, she knows as soon as the sky's out, she can tell what the property is. I think you could write it just say, you could write it to say one year over when it sells. And so the new owners are to start paying their regular bill. We can work, that's pretty easy to do. It's just a matter of thinking now, how long you want to do it, how much of your water and sewer do you want to have from here? And we want to, I mean, that's the whole, you know, point in the process of bringing the proposals. We want to work with, you know, revitalizing the downtown and whatever means that is and building owners in the downtown or, I mean, anywhere, really. I mean, you can come to the board at any time with the proposal for those types of things.  It's good for everybody. Or you renovating or selling your business and having that, you know, we want more of that.  So we're open to proposals. There's no doubt. The only thing we can't do is we can't arbitrarily, you know, say, Joyce, geez, I'd like to cut yours in half tonight because we can't do that. We've got to have some backup paper. We've got to have some sort of proposal that, yeah. And Greg and Teresa are very good at sitting down listening to you and maybe based on what you want to do it. Greg was saying they can help you put something together that won't take very long. And then maybe, maybe by the next board meeting, if you have it all together, then we can, we'll have an appointment for you to come in and do that. This is, this is Dylan's and it's only, you know, it's five, six sentences and it's plenty. All that, everything he's looking for is asking for it right there. So it's a simple just, what do you want? And we'll present it to the board. Single piece of paper. Single piece of paper. Yeah. Keep it simple. Okay. Does that sound again? Yeah. That's much better. I didn't know it was going to end up like that. Yeah. So just, just come in one of these days, come on into the office and I'll help you out. Oh, okay. That's wonderful. Yeah, I can do that. Okay. I don't have too much spare time you know. I'm a busy lady. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you for, thank you for helping me. I'm glad we aren't wound up this way. I'm anxious to get it on the way. After all. Thank you and have a good evening. No, I don't need to say. Nice to see all your people. I hope I didn't bore everybody. Any further discussion from the board in regards to the appointment? No, I got to talk to Scott to talk about going. It is 6.30. So next up Dylan will talk about 30 Densmore Drive. Dylan was here last time and spent a little time with Greg and Theresa. I'm kind of putting the proposal together. Everybody had the letter that was in the packet. I had mine. We'll just find it. So currently, if I just wanted to make sure I got it right. So currently what, so Dylan's looking at, at doing renovations to his property. Right now he's asking for to be his last water and sewer bill, which I'm assuming what you're saying there is the one that is due today. So that one as well as there would be one more quarter bill because you got July, January 1st, 2019. So you'd be looking at the one that was due today as well as this last quarter bill that we have coming.  If we can find it, yeah. So we will shut the water off for that time and then we would probably have a follow-up meeting like in maybe late December to see how you're coming on it. Is there anything else I'm missing on that Dylan there? Yeah, I'm a play devil's advocate. I, you know, I've considered Dylan's letter and I, the other point that came up that I was thinking about was the policy that the commercial accounts can't take advantage of the vacancy rate arrangement that residential person could. But maybe we could consider an addendum which allows, the wording may not be correct, but the situation like Dylan's or a situation like Joyce's where we know that the building is empty and nothing is going on which is no more being used, that we can't look at having a building in that kind of situation be able to take advantage of the vacancy rate, which is considerably less than what they would be paying, but still gets us back to where we're not losing, we're getting our basic costs recovered. But only in a situation where we know that the building and it wouldn't be a multi-apartment type of building, because you can't isolate, you know, two apartments in art and two that are. And in the case where you have a building that we know is totally unoccupied and nothing going on, shut off the water, go through that process like it was a vacancy rate residential, and then have the owners pay the vacancy rate arrangement, which is less, it's not, you know, it's probably a third, it's at least a third or more or less, then it's about, I don't know, it's based on the EU, right? So I'm not sure. It's based on the housing system. Right, so it's on a residential for water and sewer and the vacancy rate is about 200 dollars. And both those for, yeah, I want to think, I want to say it's based on one EU, based on one EU, it's roughly 80 percent, roughly 80 percent of what the regular cost would be, that's what the fixed cost is, that's what the vacancy rate is. Right, right, well I'm saying, I had to deal with a residential one. Right, so you're saying that the entire building is empty and we shut the water off, right, it's a vacancy, excuse me, honestly, now, if I could do that, zero for, you know, two quarters, when I owned that building for a year, that vacancy rate, that paper rate, you know, we haven't used any water, but I was paying, you know, I think that's, well, I mean, the, you know, one thing that we have right now is to kind of shock and awe of what vacancy rate was, well, in fact, what people were paying for vacancy rate prior, which wasn't following the policy. So there's that shock and awe of paying what should have been paid all along, as well as we did in, you know, now we want to make sure that there's 80% of the system being paid for. I mean, my opinion on it is like, you know, I do see Paul's point of view where, you know, if you know a building is completely vacant, the point of my vacancy and half of them paying that 80% of the fee, you know, it's probably a pretty fair to go. I, with this, with, you know, I guess in some ways with the, by taking the vacancy rate out, one thing that has been good so far is it brings people to the table to talk about the piece of property, you know, what do you want to do with it, and, you know, how can we help you? And I think a lot of the talk that, you know, personally is I'd like to see people come to the board and talk about the piece of property and what they want to do with it so that we can use that towards the revitalization of the downtown or other parts of town, where maybe if people are just on vacancy rate, well, the building's just vacant as normal and, you know, there's really no plan and effect for your future, you know. I think in some ways it's, you know, it's kind of like, you know, some people are angry with the amount of money that they're paying for a certain commercial space right now for water and sewer. However, it's also a good opportunity to have that talk with us about that piece of property, that what they want to do with it. Because, for instance, in Dylan's case, if Dylan's is vacant, let's say, vacant and he's paying 80% of the current rates, then he's 80% of the current rates, you know, he might not think about it. He's like, come in and maybe get all of it taken care of, or taken care of, you know.  But your talk is the whole building would have to be vacant. Yeah, right. It's the choice only in Dylan's case, there's nothing going on, or the choices for the building is empty, or when she's done it on the market. Or the water's going to shut off because there's absolutely no idea what to do. Right, right. Because some of the areas that we ran into, when we were going through it was, you get that, you know, building that has, you know, one tenant and four vacant apartments. But in the past, they were on vacant, you know, where they're technically not vacant, you know, that wouldn't apply with anything like that. Any kind of building like that. And it would be up to the discretion of the work. This proposal all is sort of the most fair to both partners, right? The town is still covering its fixed cost, you know, the cost, which is actually, my understanding is it's broken up from all of the users. Everybody that's hooked up with that number that you can come up with based off of each of those hookups and what it takes to just exist, just to be there. And so in the case where Dylan is asking us to evade it, it's actually, it's a bigger blow to the town and to our own sort of department than if he's paying the ladies and ladies on building it, it's not drawing anything, you know. It's like, Greg said last week, he was going, it's the pay-to-play that fixed cost is what it takes the town just to have it and need that. And at some point in time, Dylan will be able to use that. And so this is sort of the way that the town can cover that cost without it becoming a bigger burden to all the other users in the meantime, you know. To me, it feels like this idea is more fair to the part of this, even though we're entertaining the offer to fully evade, I can see there being a downside to that for the town, because that cost allows you to get covered somewhere. Us evading it doesn't alleviate the fixed cost vision, whereas if it's at least, if it's on a vacancy for the whole building, it's covering the known cost for the town. I had another idea. What if you were to, if this is off the wall, you know, don't be afraid to tell me, but what if you were to give them, like in Joyce's set, is it a little different? She's going to sell the building. What if you give her some relief, we give her some relief, with X percentage of that to be paid back when the building is sold, which would take care of the cost that you're talking about. And while she is trying to live here, she's not paying that, whatever that number is, every quarter, but when she sells the building for whatever, she needs a certain percentage of that money, and we need to come back to that. When Dylan starts renting, he needs to pay what he was paying for full cost plus a little bit until he pays back a certain percentage. Well, we have to manage it. Yeah, I think managing it would be, because it's an interesting idea. It would be interesting to keep the trees. Well, we have agreements with a lot of people in town, since we've, you know, with the water bill, you know, that the people that go behind, we've got these agreements all over. So that could work. I'm not on the state of the trees, because you probably kicked me in the butt for telling that. But I'm just curious to hear her. Yeah, but, you know, we've got a lot of people in town that we've got agreements with, and it's the same scenario, we pay a little bit of money on top of a little payment for a regular bill that we pay a little extra. So, I mean, the concept is, I think it's feasible to do it now. You're just deferring, basically, the payment. Right, but now Dylan needs his money to put into the bill. Right. The building is up and running. Hopefully he will get enough money so that he couldn't. Sure. But the repayment has been kind of staged, so that being all of the beginning, it's really big, anyway. And I think when we came to the vacancy rate, you know, I think Paul had a great point there, you know, if the building is 100 percent vacant, where you can go up and turn it off, and nobody's getting any water, and it probably makes sense that our vacancy rate, right? I think the reason why we had such a big, major reaction to the commercial properties is there were so many commercial properties in the town that had situations where they have a building that serves for establishments in the building. Only one was being used, and they were all on vacancy. You know, so it was kind of an abuse of the power of the town at the time. Not to mention, you can't put, you know, you can't, we don't have any way of vacancy in three of the four apartments, so we just kind of said, okay, we'll make this vacancy rate. But, you know, Paul definitely makes a good point that maybe we can work into modifying if you have a building that is completely shut down, you know, a vacancy rate. Again, we're talking 80 percent. This isn't the $25 that people are paying you for. Now it's 90, you know, so it's conservatively more than you were paying on vacancy rates before. Right? But before it would go down to, it put a lot of money to you, right? It would be a vacancy rate based on... Well, I mean, what gold's building for example. Well, the vacancy rate is based on you. You've got places, right? Yeah, right. So if you have three EUs in your building, you would pay three... 80 percent of what you're, 80 percent of what you're going to build. Right. Yeah, I'm not sure what it's going to be. So if you had one EU, right? If you had a building and it had three EUs, let's say, then you would pay a vacancy rate on three EUs. 80 percent of three EUs. Everything's based off of that EU calculation. And in Billam's case, it's a one EU. In Joyce's case, three... Well, it was three. That was plus three. Because the whole equation is based on this constant. It's more than users. That's where we come up with the EU calculation. Right. So it's probably, apparently, the cost to everybody is... You know, EU's meaning is the importance of the EU. In the week, I think it's economical to have water.    You're purple zone. It's pretty much everybody in the water area. If you took that to your purple zone and did 50% of the water bill to the purple zone, higher taxes, and then spread it out to the rest of the town. I mean, I think we've got it. I mean, yes, the rest of the town doesn't use the water. You know, the gotten camper doesn't use the water. But the... Around that way, if you don't have a good town, you don't have a town about that.  You don't have, you know. And no offense, like my brother's wife's grandmother, she's a single person up on North Main Street. She pays the same as I do for this apartment, you know. And she's on the fixed income. And me working seven days a week, you know, has a harder time paying that. And I can only imagine how she feels, you know. And, yeah. And just relief for everybody, you know, as far as...  But if you put it, you know, put an iron word on this, as far as taxes wise, I think, you know, if you put it on the water bill, it wouldn't be as... Oh, put it as a bill, you know. It would be new taxes. And again, you know, send it out percentage wise. Because as we were looking on the map, your purple zone is pretty much over the other town water. If you went off your purple zone and send it out from there, so 50% purple zone, your taxes, you get 50% of the water bill, put it in your taxes, and then spread the rest of it out. But you guys better update what's just been in it. And if you can't put that on us, too, you know. And you're going to have to go out to the taxes eventually. So, I can't give you a good logic. So that's the concept of communal poverty, where everybody in town pays for the use of... It's like a sidewalk or a road. When you pay your taxes, you're not paying for that 60 feet of road in front of your house. You're paying for part of the road system. And this is kind of the same concept. In a roundabout way, everybody in town uses water, whether it's to get a pizza at the pizza place or to use the bathroom at Babes or whatever. You're in a roundabout way. You're using the water, maybe. Yeah. There are some people that have 5 or 6 people in town. I'm the one. Yeah. And I'm the one to come up. Right. And I'm paying as much as that. What's fair about that? Right. And that's the problem with the use system that I saw. And I was talking very about such things. You know, I had a friend, one person in my house, and I didn't want to take a shower. And John and Heather Rose got five kids, and they're showering and bathing and swimming in the tub. Right? It's not... Well, you know, hang tight for a little bit. It's a nice big spreadsheet that I hear that costs a lot. Yeah. And it shows the actual calculations based on... They're still ridiculous. Yeah. So I think that, again, it's worth... What happens when you used to go around and find out how many people lived in a home and you went like that? Yeah. Now people think, oh, we can't do that. That's too much. We can't have anybody do it. You don't want anybody going around three meters, either. I offer them by the meter. And pay what I'm going to put on my computer. The meters won't work though. Probably the user will send it going down there. And then when you bury it, I'll go back to the $500,000 cost. You can't afford the meters. It's the way to the $500,000. So like that just makes our water level a few more. Right. And then how come people that have water levels, I know them in different towns, are coming in with just the option. Once they get a water meter, their water bill is right down. I don't know if I can take it. What I know is that whenever you have a water meter, and every other town I've ever been in that has water meters, everybody pays a... It was called a base rate. And the base rate is typically all the fixed costs. Because that's the cost that we incur, regardless of how much water you actually drink, or bathed in, whatever. And then they charge you with your meters. They charge you for your consumption on top of that. So everybody pays the same base rate, which is 80% of whatever it is, plus your consumption on top. So it may be... I don't know how their calculations work or if that's how they do it, but that's the way everywhere I go to work today. Because you still have to, unfortunately, start to cover all of your fixed costs. Because that's the cost of producing the water no matter what. And then you pay, the consumer pays for the consumption that goes through the meter. You know what I can handle? The sewer and water better than the beckle parts. It seems... I wouldn't... Every other town...  And I tell them what I pay. I pay for four people, which is 2.7, I think you have me as now, $791.57 a quarter. And that's for four people. And my mother's 96 and doesn't wash her hair every day like a teenager.  Why can Randolph and Woodstock and Levin and all the other towns handle it and reeky? Randolph's is much more expensive than ours. And you can't drink the water because it's got meaning to it. What? They refuse to take it out. What? You can't drink the water because it's got meaning to it. Right? We can't drink water in here. I think they're good. That's good. That's probably it. Well, we very... I think it's good for the community, I love it. Well, let's... So you're less people that are older and trying to move it here, and want to stay here in the air, and need our water. Give us a break. So maybe that... Well, don't. I don't want the guy making the rules here. I think we have to pay the bills. Maybe we should run the numbers up. Yeah, I mean, this communal concept is so maybe we talked about that. Maybe that's it. I don't know. So the first part of it right now, there's been years and years of neglect on multiple levels of things right now. I know. And we're... And we're working on different options for the town. We're going to talk about one of our options tonight. We've talked about other options. Right now we have to make sure that we're paying the cost. Because if not, we're going to continue to incur debt. And it doesn't make any sense to incur debt. So right now we are paying our fair share. And based on a non... It's based on a non-biased system. It doesn't matter. The system is based upon your residence and not how old or how young, or if you're a female, or if you're male, or if you make a million dollars a year, if you make two dollars a year. It is a non-biased system. Oh, it's a non-biased system. It's... But it's not up to the individual person. It's based on the property. So that at that point, the property is the responsibility of the owner of the property. Now they say to me, will you be able to help with things? But when I'm going to help with other things, where does the money go? The pay for the water. So let's just make sure we stay on topic here with Dylan's. We do have a... We are going to talk about some different EU calculation possibilities in the packet that Eric has. But let's finish up with Dylan, so we can get home and have dinner. I think that's a very good idea, John. I think that he should be...   And so I think for my subject, it's not people paying for the money. Well, not dying. Well, that's the thing. Is anybody going to look at it the other way? Well, that is death. That's obvious. That's very true. But, and there's a stand-sense of that. You know, when you put it in Yelp Cloud or had the other guy, that wasn't a water people's decision to do that. That was the talent. That was everybody's talent. Made that decision to put Dylan and just put Keith in no offense. I'm not trying to do anything with the bus, but past people doing that in the town. I'm new to this place. And I don't want to make enemies, but... I'm a water people. Yeah, I'm working on it. That's the truth. So let's... And I understand. I'm about to talk to a graduate about the same thing. He said, well, wouldn't my brother go down? But if you run the numbers, are you really going to be that upset when it's $40 more on your taxes in court to help out with the town? I'm not a fixed person. I'm pure for about what you do about it. And, and, and, and her too. I mean, she's over $300. I mean, this is, this is helping everyone. This isn't thinking about... I'm not just thinking about me here. I'm thinking about, you know, everybody. You know what, what bothers me a lot? Poor Barbara. She pays more needed. And on a great system that the town runs on here. Bethel Mills pays one and a half. Now, they wash their trucks. They wash that they made. They've got people stopping in. They have employees. But back to me, honest to God, makes no sense. So you ought to go down and talk to them and tell them to pay attention. I would go down and it might be. You see, it's the Q and the Q and the Q. So let's, we're focusing on with Dylan and then we'll get to our next item. So we've all gone over Dylan's proposal. Just again, what Dylan's looking for is some retrieve on his water and sewer at the 30 Denmore Drive for the quarter that is due currently as well as do we call that fourth quarter? Fourth quarter payment? Second quarter. Okay. Sorry. Second quarter. So this doing a quick math looks, it'd be $584.16 for those six months. And then it would be revisited in January 1st of 2019. That's the proposal that's on the table. Any further comments or any amendments to the proposal?  I'm kind of hesitant about completely the entire amount. I mean, it's not, it's not really the amount, it's the concept that I think that we need to be treading on, you know, possible problems on the road and like to, you know, I'll go ahead with this, but I would also like to look at the other options so we can establish a policy that we can fly all the time from when these situations come up. Not necessarily a case by case, because when you get into exceptions when we talk about this, then you sometimes get into a slipper slope. So, you know, I'd go ahead with this. I don't like the concept of completely abating it, but I think we need to look at something, coming up with something that's going to work better. And we're very much talking about doing that on the road. Just to have some discussion, I mean, whether it's something like Dave's idea or just going on to the vacancy rate and just examine the different possibilities. I mean, 500 offices, there's been a purpose. But I mean, even if he was on the vacancy rate, he's still, just to give my calculator, even if he was on the vacancy rate, you can still have the ability or option to abate the vacancy rate, you know, to do the same thing. So, regardless if he's on it or not, you know, he... So, is that all that's as far as agenda? It's, if I get it right, it's 292.08. What's your bill for? So, he's looking for the 292.08 that's due now. Did you pay that for it? You haven't paid that yet. As well as the 292.08 that would be the second quarter bill that would get us to the water answer, water answer. I want someone up there in the house. So, um... I need an answer. So, so the agreement would be if, based on his proposal that he has for it with us, that would require us, we would go out and shut the water off. They'd be in the water. If we can find it. That's it. Yeah. Really? Yeah, we'll take a giant type of plan. We'll plug in the water. We got an idea where it is. Do we have a motion for the proposal or for the discussion? For your call, we'll re-visit this same type of proposal. It's going to be, you know, and we don't know what you're talking about. And that's why I love the agreement.  You know, short-term for me is like a year down there. I think it's a great opportunity to attract landowners or potential new landowners to buy property inside the town and to do something like that, rather than just keep it vacant.  Yeah. So, I, I would be for it. I want a second. Second. All in favor? All in favor. All in favor. I, I have it. So, the motion was for the zero-abatement, is that right? Yeah. Okay.  Of course, he doesn't have any fixtures to use any water, but... Well, they're, they're always just cut off, and they can't see if you've got the right one. And that, you know, that is still one of the, you know, underlying issues that we have, as well as trying to find curb stops on certain buildings or residents in this town. Are we still going to know where they're at? That is definitely something in there. So, so this, Greg, you'll take care of that with Terese. Yep. Yeah. And then we'll give it to him and see if...  Update us on what we've done, how it's going. You know, hopefully it's done, you know, that kind of stuff. It's expensive. Yeah. We're under the subsidy and low, low renovation. It's crazy. Well, hopefully that can help you out, Dylan. Yeah. Just get, um, yep. I have been thinking about, um, the taxes issued when improving some, um, some of the items that we might include in the losing taxes. We're all aware that if you're under certain income levels, the state picks in and gives, uh, considerations to people who are income, the money comes in from the state. So the town does not lose. So there are ways in which we can look at things to be economically sound. Things that we do in the town for beautification, if we're really concerned of how to use our dollars, then we need to look at what we do with the money in the town.  And I've seen somethings in the town that I think are not so, um, I think we ought to think about that kind of. Well, we're, he's starting the budget process, probably next board meeting, right? So, we're getting ready to start the new budget process. He's not a boil water, he left it, it is, because I didn't know that. And I have to tell you. Well, it said it would have been, he said it was left at, what, 48 hours? He said it would have been left at 48 hours. My wing's typically late. Is that what your letter said? I really don't know. Almost two years now. I didn't actually have to go on this one. That has been one of the things I'm, well, I, I know I, I won't, I won't be proud of it, but it is not pleasant.  There are certain comments in regards to water in the town, um, and not drinking it. But I've seen all the test results and I can tell you, I've drank a lot of water in a lot of different towns and I can tell you the water in Bethel is better tasting than the majority of the other water I've ever tasted. I know when I work in school and I see how many kids are on IEPs and who have problems learning the issues, and I say to myself, what contaminants are these kids at? And then we worry about the cost of educating each child, blood, pink blood pipes, and we'll have more IEPs, and we'll have more children that struggle. I know that it's, it's what I see. Well, we got to keep on with the agenda. It's not a young man. Um, that's all right here. So we're good with Dylan, you'll follow up with Therese and Greg, and they'll make sure that those are taken care of for you. As far as I know, there's one of that tax that you guys still want. I mean, I hate to be a bad guy, but I know there's a lot in the law about that. Yeah, I mean, there's probably for just next to a couple items down. But we're talking, you know, we've talked about the meters. We'll talk about meters again. We're talking about the thing is, you know, we're open to anything and we're exploring all of them. And we're going to talk about another potential one tonight.  So those are definitely things that we'll continue to talk about as a board. As far as the docking of the water system, sir, where did that go? I mean, is that going to be for all of us to do? I don't know. I don't know where the number of people structurally probably will go. If you're going to send that out to the taxpayers, why don't we just jump it? Well, we'll get, you know, again, we got to stay on top of it. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. We can have fun. Whatever that was, I'm just going to come to that. Sure, I will. All right. So we've moved through our appointments and we are on to the utility relocation agreement for the retrans. Greg, can take us through that quickly? Sure. So next spring in the summerish, the trans will be doing a mail overlay of 107 from the sugar house down to the town office. Yeah. In part of that, they have found out, sort of, they found out that we have potentially 14 sewer manholes that will have to be erased or adjusted up or down either way. And they're not sure how many yet because they're just not sure. What they're asking for us is if they want to find out whether we want to do it in house or if they want to have their people do it while they're on site. It's impossible for us to do it in house. We won't have the great rings. We don't have the manpower, which would just be a tough thing to do. So they're asking that we sign this contract. It basically says that we will have them adjust any of these manholes that need to be adjusted up or down by all the materials and labor and everything. At $1,000 a piece, they said there may be zero. There may be 14. They just, they don't know. The maximum amount on a pocket would be $14,325, which we would would be the next budget. So we would have to just budget that for next year because this project will happen probably early, late spring, early summer. So by the time we get the bill and everything, it'll be into the next fiscal year. But it's something we'll, we'll definitely have to budget for out of the sewer, out of the sewer budget. Again, we don't know. They couldn't provide you with any actual grade elevations for any of these rings. So we're not sure. They just said once we start mailing at two inches, we're not really sure where you're going to be at. So, this is worst case scenario. There's the covers that are from the Duffel line to... As far as it goes. Yeah, it goes from where they stopped down here, which I don't know if they're like the fish somewhere in there, all the way out as far as the sewer system goes. So it's right at the seed place, I think. Yeah, exactly. It's all the main holes on our system on one of the seven right here. But, well, the raw line is at some point... But it's still our infrastructure. It's the entire infrastructure. It's still our infrastructure. Yeah, yeah. And again, they don't know if it's zero, one, two, 14. They don't know yet. But worst case, that's what we're looking at is the 14,375. That includes 14 manholes and like two or three water curb stops, little canes. So the 14,375 would be the maximum amount of... It's the maximum amount of manholes. That's four... There should be in here... If the bids come in less than that for these items, then we would pay the lesser amount. Right, right. That's worst case. Exactly. So the last page, page five outlines sort of the cost estimate. This is the engineer's cost estimate. They haven't gone out to bed for this yet. So it could be a little less. Could be a little more, but they're saying this is the max. My guess is that honestly, there won't be enough manholes. There won't be 14 manholes that need to be adjusted. Because they're just doing the mill normally. So unless these manholes are already really bad, I really don't see that they're going to be adjusted very many. And we can make allowances to hold those things down. And that would be eight of an inch if we have to. The same is a thousand dollars. When we did the... Well, you weren't here. But when we did the main street, church street, remember, out to the school, they didn't adjust any of those. I don't think they adjusted a single one. Are they all alone? It was a mill and a pave job. They shouldn't have to. I mean, the road is not like... It's not in formal shape. Do we have to do anything? Yeah, I can just say that you're on it. Actually, I just need you to authorize me to sign it. Second. All in favor? And municipal planning grant. So this is... We're revisiting this. I brought this to you earlier. And I missed some signatures that were required. So this is the planning grant that we are planning for for fiscal year 19. It's to rehab review but update the talent plan. This is the project that the Planning Department of the Planning Commission has been working on. So I just need to actually get... Let's do another approval of this if you'd like. And I'll have you sign on the second page here. All right. All right. So next up we have this big huge spreadsheet of just data. So I was asked to go through it at a previous meeting a couple of weeks ago to go through the state's newest rendition of the EU table and how they think we should be calculating everything. And what this table shows, unfortunately, it's not a killer. I apologize. Here's my fee. But if you look on here, you basically have every address that we have in town that receives a water bill. This is water only. But the number to the same pursuit. The EU calculation is the same pursuit. So these are all the water accounts. And what it shows on here is the... So the first... Well, you've got the map number, the address, and then the WFEU. So that's the EU that we are currently charging this problem. And then you have the actual EU, which is the calculated, what they had calculated with the old table as an EU, as the actual EU. And you'll see that on a lot of them you have, like low numbers, like .51. Well, our policy has been that it's a minimum of a one EU. So if you're below a one EU in your calculation, you still get charged for one EU. Less than one, yes, yes. Once you achieve that one threshold, then it's a portion of their own.  So if you go through here, it tells you what the actual EU is off of the old methodology. The current calculation that they used, a lot of these say none, because they basically said that a single family is a one. So you'll see that it says there were no calculations done. Next slide is kind of a simple description of the property, what it is real quickly. The next slide is the new calculation or the new EU itself that's based off the new table. And next to that, the last line there is the actual calculation as to how I got to that. Now, the history of this is this system being used in other towns currently? I do not know. I'd have to check. This is the system that, so the way they have done the EU, the EU concept comes from the water supply rule, which is the state of Vermont's kind of viable for the water systems in that state. And what the town adopted was this concept of this table that was in there was EU calculation in this water supply rule. And that's what we went. And they've kind of used a, I will tell you, they've kind of used a molding of the old and the new, kind of a little bit throughout the old calculation. The new calculation is based strictly to the lighter of the law on the new EU table, the new calculations. I don't know of other towns do it. I know that when we had a legal case and basically the judge came back and said that for towns without leaders, this, the way we're doing it, is acceptable in terms of what it's used. But it's okay. You guys can say that it's what we have and it's what the state recommends that we use. Then it's as equitable as it can be. And it's as good as we can do. So I will assume right now, you know, right now we get the cost of the system, whatever that is, right? You divide it by the EUs and that's what you're raising. Exactly. So it seems like now you're going to have more EUs. You are. So you're going to have that. So where one EU right now might be $116. Once you do this whole calculation with all these, because there's going to be more EUs now, now an EU might be $50. You're gaining 200, with that new calculation, you're gaining 278.4 EUs. So that is roughly what percent? It's 30 percent. So roughly at an increase, I would say about 30 percent. So you're right. So there's kind of a, there's a bit of an offset because you've got more EUs, you've got more people. We have a pie and you've got more people taking pieces of that pie. But we'll look through the data. So the data list is simply for you to look at. It's not completely complete because you've got a few question marks here on some properties that I'm not sure. So I've taken that value out and it doesn't have anything to do with the line at all. But it looks like early on that some of the potential benefits of going with this EU calculations would be the instance if you're a single person in a two-bedroom place versus a family in a four-bedroom place, the four-bedroom would get charged more EUs than the, right? So what the biggest change was was for the single family home. So we went from everybody gets a one. I don't care if it's a five-bedroom house or a one-bedroom house, everybody gets a one. Now the new calculation says that it's 150 gallons per bedroom. And so you take that number and I don't know if you can see what I did here, but like a person's a three-bedroom. So it's 150 times three. And one EU equates to 210 gas. So you do that division and it says, okay, well that three-bedroom house is now an EU of 2.14. So more than double the EU calculation, to your point that the EU went down, the actual amount of each, the value of each EU, the cost of each EU went down. But it doubled how many EUs you had, more than double. But in theory here, if, you know, like for instance, I'll use mine as an example, mine's whatever, the six-one down. So if that's three-bedroom, currently I'm being charged one EU. But this would go to a 2.14. So in this case, I would pay, not per EU more, but I would pay overall a little bit more. Right. However, somebody that has a two-bedroom house would pay probably a little less. Right? It would be, yes. So a two-bedroom house is a 1.43. I mean, it's not going to solve, it's not going to solve the issue if I have, if I'm a single person with no kids and nobody but I have a five-bedroom house, I'm still paying five-bedrooms. So you're going to actually pay more, like a retired person that's living in the house, that they grew up in, and then you have those two-bedrooms that fall apart. But this is all based on the potential of the house. Two-bedroom and the one-bedrooms are probably going to either save money or be real close. The two-bedroom is probably, one-bedroom will actually save money from currently. The two-bedroom will be either saving or be real close to the status quo. Right? And once you get it beyond that, and this assumes, it has to assume, full occupancy because you can't save. I mean, the days are going, everybody's in the house asking how many people live here. I just don't know if that's reasonable or not. Yes, the potential of the building structure. Yes. Yes. If they're occupant enough. Yes. So that's the biggest change with the single families. The other part, so we have multi-families. And the way it used to be, again, was it was a one per unit. So it didn't matter if that was a three-bedroom unit or a one-bedroom unit. It didn't matter. It was just a one. So if you go to the second page and look at the good example. Now let's keep going. Maybe not the second page. Let's go to the third page and you'll see the six, or are you going to top on them on that page, the three? That's three apartment units on 70 North Wing Street. So they were getting a three before. Yep. Because it was three units there. We don't care how many bedrooms were in each unit, which it would probably call one bedrooms. But what I did is I went to the Lister's garden and looked at the property and found how many bedrooms were actually in the house. And that's what we basis on. Because the same thing is a single-family home. It's 150 gallons per bedroom, which gives you the 2.14. So it actually saves the multi-families. It could save the multi-family users some money. Because they went from a three to a 2.14. Same with the two bedrooms. I mean, honestly, for the multi-family units, it saves everybody. It does. Because they were getting charged per unit. And that's, you know, some. The sixth bedroom was a six. And they're 4.3 now. So it's a significant difference for them. But who actually, I think who actually would pick up the difference is going to be, well, you just have more users. And then the people in the bigger houses, the five, the four in the five-bedroom houses, even the three-bedroom houses possibly, are going to pay a little more. I think what would be interesting is that, I don't know how much work we're doing, it would be involved in doing it. But it'd be interesting if you could take a couple of examples of a three, four, five, six-bedroom, you know, the different options, I guess, there is. And see what, you know, if a two-bedroom house today is paying one EU. This is how much it is, right? And based on this calculation, a two-bedroom might be, I'm just making up, might be 1.43 or something. And see what that costs. What would the cost difference look like? So, if I'm being billed one now, but now I have a six-bedroom house, how much more expensive would that be for me? Or the other way around, if I have one bedroom in place, how much less would that be? And just to kind of see what the range of some of the... But we can write those numbers. I don't, I just can't find my character. And maybe even a few examples of some of the multi-family places as well. You know, the average one right now is this. If we went to this system, it couldn't be that. You know, just to kind of see some rules. Right. Yeah, we can, I could do that, if you don't want to, because we'll have to change, we'll change the value of an EU based on the new total of EUs. Yeah. And then take that by the current EU rate. Or the current EU, whatever that may be, that goes to which bill it is. If I had to guess, probably one EU right now is probably pretty close to a three-bedroom house. 7.7. So 65%, I believe it's 65% of 7.87. So we are increasing by, I'll have to run the numbers. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, nothing we're going to do. New tonight, but it's going to be fine. Well, I could add another column to this, or, because it's already kind of dizzy. But I can do that. I'll add another column to this and see if I can't do it on the bottom. What a revised bill would look like for water. I've been doing this solely on water. It's super, like I said, it's the same number, essentially. But I can show you water sort of what each person would be paying based on this new calculation. That'd be pretty simple to do. It's such a tough, you know, when you're talking about this, there are so many different, there are so many different examples. You know, there are the people that have, that live by themselves, that have five bedrooms, you know, that nobody's in. Or there are people that have, you know, they're getting paid one EU right now. And then there are people that have five bedrooms that are full that are paying one EU, you know. Well, you know, you figure it's more than a 50% increase in EUs. Because we had 500 and 80 for the full. And now we have 787. So we're, in theory, well, I got to run it. I got to run it. It's going to be like two and a half bedrooms or something. I got to run it. I can do that. I'll bring that back with the next meeting. Greg, now the new chart then, does that dictate how many gallons per room or how many gallons per employee? Yeah. So the new chart is, see, yeah, you can see the calculations there. Yeah, so the one name I'm on the end of this bill So the 150 is basically, it reads in circles. It basically says that every bedroom is 75 gallons per day, but you have to assume two people. So why don't they just say, whatever. And then, but the other thing is, yeah, like the factory, so we've got like GW plastics. They've got, there's a value for, and I put the kind of the title of what that category is at the beginning. So factory is 15 gallons per day and then it shows you the calculation. We've got assembly area. We've got restaurant, workers in office, things like that. So, well, for example, you know, about the mills, you know, they're having, it's based on numbers of employees. They have so many gallons per employee. What's the address there? Which one? Should be Marshmallow, right? Marshmallow and Forty Marshmallow. What page did you do? I don't, I need to page four. On page three, about 55 percent all the way down. Oh, yeah, they're based on employees, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there's a couple different ways you can go with it because it's, that one almost could be, I can actually, I could probably go with about three different ways with this because we have other buildings in town, mainly for example, that have 15 different uses of the bill. So what we're doing is we have to add each use. What we truck, it's a little tricky. What we're trying not to do is what we've been doing before, where we had, for example, we had like a gas station and the pumps were given a value of like 500 gallons per day. Well, we all know that pumps don't use water. It's the secondary uses of that facility. People call them out, they get gas, but they're using the bathroom. They're doing whatever they do. But what they were, what we were doing in the past is we were charging for the fuel pumps and the employees and all these other things that were just kind of inherent in the business. So we've gotten away with that. We've got, we've stopped doing that, but what we have in these other buildings where we have multiple uses, like we have a commercial downstairs in a residential, we have to charge for both of those uses because the use of the rest, or the use of the commercial space has absolutely nothing to do with the people living upstairs, the salt sector. So at Milling's building, we've got a bunch of different uses. We could probably honestly get away with the same thing, not get away, but probably use that same thought process with nothing else where they've got, it's really a, what do you call it, small, a small dry good store is what it really is. But then it's got a bunch of office workers, staffers. I don't know if they have any production there, but do they do any milling or anything of any kind in there? Okay, so this calculation, and this is based off this last line, I kept it consistent with how we would charge number four. So we're using the same, the same title and the same category as what we were doing before just to keep the continuity there. I haven't gone back and actually looked at all these and said, okay, that use is exactly right. I think you'll see in here some of the names are probably wrong here too, the old uses, some of the cafes and stuff, but what we could probably do and what we should do is look at that as multiple uses over there because they have all the offices up top and most small dry good stores, they have employees work in the store but they don't have a whole slew of offices with five or 10 or whatever people work in the offices. So you would add the office workers, which is 15 gallons a day per person. So you might get a little bit more of there if that's what we were looking for. Another concept is we can, if we think, you know, I don't know what in the past how you decided or how the board decided to put meters in a few people and not everybody commercial-wise. I think they thought that they were high users and if that's the thought over there, maybe what we do is put a meter in there and see what we get. I don't know, but the way the meters work, I'll tell you that the EUs come with about, so even like GW Classics that have a very high EU and they have a lot of consumption, but they get credit for their EUs. So it's not like we charge them for an EU and they say, okay, we're going to charge you 100% of what you use. Right, consume. Once they go over it. Once they go over that two 10 per day times their EU. And they pay them down. Yeah. So Bethel Mills may not pay anything additional. I don't know. I mean, I would think, I mean, just coming on to the board there when I did and we were talking about water then too, and I mean, I guess the way I've always kind of saw it was some sort of modified EU for residential area. Because a lot of towns, it's based on how many bedrooms you have. No, not just one, but if you have five bedrooms versus two bedrooms. And in the commercial, I think the only way you can be fair in the commercial and the things is to meter it. Get on the commercial sites.  But I mean, they're here. You might be. Yeah. You're so. Five, I think in town. Five or six. But if you were. If you were. Certain commercial applications. Yeah. We've got them. We've got GW. We've got. Toward GW. Dandelion. Are the two there? Two at GW. Dandelion. Screw it. It's got one. I think you had five or six, right? Maybe there's five. Maybe you're done. Yeah. But I mean, that might be, you know, a thing too. Makes it. But with that concept, yeah, I mean, we're still charging for the EUs with a lot of that balance per day, but if they, you know, they exceed that. It's just because like what you're talking about, when you get into the residential is in some way is kind of easy to figure out, right? But there's not as many variables, but when you get to the commercial end of things, there's, you know, gasoline pumps versus, you know, how many people are using the facility or not using the facility, or how many bathrooms does it have or not have? But what we have to do. So we're fusing to figure out a very system. Well, we're making sure we're doing, in the future, though, is we're not, we're making a conscious effort not to kind of double, double-level things. Yeah. You know, we want, we know that, that it's based on the use. And that use comes with a certain amount of consumption. Assume consumption. And, but each use is a little different. In the past, they were kind of, they were doubled up on a few things. I'm not really sure if that was the intent of the water supply rules table. I don't think it is. We're making sure. So I can definitely go back and put a value, an actual build value to these, these use. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what the. Yeah, I'll let you know for, and I'll put the percentage of how much of an increase decrease it is, whatever we can do. Yeah, right. It'd be good to see that. I know on the commercial line, the thing is a lot trickier to figure out, but at least on the residential, it's not that hard. Yeah, residence, you're right. It's kind of kind of bright when you have, it's everything's based off of the use, and there's so many different uses. Again, double mills is the prime example. It's a store downstairs, but upstairs it's more of a, it's office. And that's, that office is not, to me anyway, is not your typical secondary use of a small, dry good store. Because it's not, I mean, you look at Brad over here, it's just, he's got a small, dry good store, and it's just him. He doesn't have a slew of people other than office. Well, I think every single commercial property we have is probably different. Yeah, good. They're all shaped just a little bit different, no? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's it, that's kind of the beginning of this. If there's any else, you know, I will start making those changes. Are there any questions, anything that you'd like to see, or questions about how I got there? I think it's good that we continue to do the research. Continue to explore our office. You should explain. It's not three bedroom, 22.  I'm not, I'm not gonna sit here and lie and say this. I'm not gonna lie to you and say that we got every one of these things perfect, because they're, they're not the best thing. Probably never got, never got changed, I'm sure. You're right. You're probably still being taxed for, are you being taxed for three bedroom, too? Probably. I bet you are. Yeah, probably. Yeah. You're gonna go, you're in the money. Yeah. I lost a bathroom out of that place and it said you used a pretty good money. Yeah. Oh. Because the guy didn't tell him what he took his bathroom out. No. No, I'm gonna take a look. I'm sure Scott's gonna like it. Okay, so I'm gonna add the, the money value and percent difference, okay? Any other conversation you guys have? The town, land, all the parcels, you probably don't have that right? I don't have a lot of free, I can tell you that I went through every single one we had. It was a huge, large list and two of them we considered, if we want to. One is a property off of Canbroke that we bought in TaxSale a couple of years ago. The previous owner is still living there. Trying to evict him, I'm working on that right now.  Those are the only two that are actually sellable. We do have a couple of other properties that were FEMA buyouts that we could sell, but there are de-restrictions that say if you, if you sell them you have to, you can't do anything. Right. You can't build on them, you can't. So they're found in an office. I'd be selling them here, I'm gonna get a tax income. A more common place now. You could get some tax income.  You're right, you're right. You know, there's one, the one on River Street here, maybe the only one I would maybe contemplate that one next to that house that's for sell on River Street that lot next to him is actually counted. And he knows it, but you're right. The one on the other side of the road from there. It's, I don't know if it would, anybody would really want. The FEMA's. We could sell them. Yeah, that whole clinic corridor area, but one of them we've got is our access down to the beach down there under the bridge. We can't build on them. It can't build on them. Can't do anything on them. I mean, somebody like Paul Feeney wanted to buy it to have extra life. Right. That's what I thought about it. I was interested in buying it back in the day before. So those, so the FEMA properties with some, with some tags on them could be sold. The one next to River Street is on an iPhone because the guy is trying to sell it and he probably could sell it if he had some property there. And I'll let us use this property. Right. So yeah, there's really not a whole lot out there that's really liquidated to get rid of. So pretty much just the camp broke one. Just out of which we're working on. The idea with that one, honestly, is I've reached out to him and because he's still living there and told him that, hey, if you could come in and buy this for what we paid for it, I don't know why I keep buying it. I really don't know why. Because it's way up there. We would never use it for anything. It's a house. So I told him, hey, if you could give me the money, if you could come up with the money and pay what we pay for it, pay us back, plus closing costs for what I would take it. And I gave him three months to come back and have her in it. So we're now going to our attorney writing a nice letter to the day. It's getting ready for squatting season, so. Yeah. Well, I'll open the letter when he gets that. Maybe it'll push a little bit to come in. What do you got? He had about 18 days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, he's been in a long enough, it's, yeah, it's, at least let's just do the process. I mean, it's good to. That's a long term process, anyway. It's good to, you know, look at the list every year to see what's on here. Yeah. Is there any opportunities? Because obviously, if we have land that we can sell, that someone can buy, and we can collect tax revenue off. Yep. It's good. Yeah. I was real surprised that we didn't have one, the answer. Because there was a pretty large list, but most were, you know, a lot of cemeteries and churches, and those were not just our properties. Those were tax exempt properties on that list. So it was a little bit. Yeah. So that's really all that that is. And I'll keep you up to date with what's going on with the property we can't grow up. Like I said, that's cases he comes in and just says, hey, I'll buy an item. Buy an item? If he does, I'm going to go down the market. We will. We'll evict him and we'll put on the market. We'll market that. Yeah. We'll evict him and get an agent or whatever, and we'll put on the market. There's a cutoff date when you can't evict. Right. But the process takes six months anyway. Right. So the paperwork and all that will go through the wintertime. It's going to roll, I think it's October 1st and April 1st. Yeah. So by April 1st, maybe we'll be ready. I really think he'll come up with the money. I really do. I know. It's not a huge amount of money. But we'll see where he goes. All right. Meeting minutes from September 10th. Well, you guys here? What's that? Oh, I'm sorry. We're going to set a meeting date. Right back. Yep. We've got our meetings for October. Right now, our first meeting lands on Columbus Day. So our, yeah, our first meeting of the month lands right on Columbus Day. We, I guess the options is we can push our meeting back, right, to the 8th. I'm sorry, from the 8th to the 15th. But then we would have back to back. We'd have a back to back session right month. So were you good with doing back to back? We've done it before. Or you've got the 29th. You've got an extra week that month too. Or because it's a, right, because we have five Mondays, we could do the 15th and the 29th. It kind of spreads it out. Keeps your two week interval. Yeah. Okay. So I'm good. We're good. 15th and 29th. 15th and 29th. Okay. Perfect. And that still gives you two weeks to the next meeting in November. It's perfect. Everybody good with those days? Dave, you doing those? Okay. Starting in October, we'll be teaching a school program in Rochester. There's a highlight that I'll be able to update you to something. Hopefully I'll be able to change that. But just so you guys know. That's in October, is that right? It's starting in October and we'll go through the rest of the school. Okay.  I don't know. That was a bribe. Bring us dinner. Okay.  So we are good with that. And again, like I said at the beginning there, it was brought to my, I've seen it. Seen it and thought about it a few times here in the last year. And it seems like it's collecting more and more work down there. And then I did have two people that had mentioned it to me on. Hey, is there any way we can paint over that? And I said, well, I don't know. Because, you know, it's the state's bridge. Do we have, you know, we have to ask the state if we have maintenance jurisdiction that probably couldn't paint over that? But you don't need to deal with the railroad, too. Yeah. I'll just call Chris. I don't know. I'll call Chris Bob with the trans and they'll let me know what we're.  Is it, you know, can we go down there with, you know, five gallons of paint and paint over that stuff? Or do we, can we not? Yeah, I'll call. So Chris Pump is, he's the, the region maintenance engineer or whatever. I'll call him. He'll know. It's about. He may just put a ticket in and he'll, he'll get a worker. I'll walk down there. It's about eight feet high. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good little thing. Or they've, they've gotten quite a bit down there. That's rough surface. Yeah. I will reach out and. But you saw it a lot. A lot of people had parked in there. They noticed the hot pink, the hot pink stuff. Yes. So I want to bring that. I'm sure everybody knew about it. Just what we can do about that. And we'll do, I mean, I know it's hard to police that stuff. But maybe at least we can get it over with. Right. But I'm always going to be. Yeah. It's a nice clean slate floor. Yeah. Yeah. But. Okay. I will check into it. All right. And select board meeting minutes for last month. You said. The second meeting in August, it was, it didn't include the decision from the executive session. And you didn't want to approve it until that was on there. So the next day I put it on there. And because you can't break and send that to me. And I just hadn't made the edit. So I apologize for that. So yeah, I'm not sure if we're in there. I haven't been. It's not. Or not. Okay. Well, I might be in the big book, but it's not in our package. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I, I wasn't. Yeah, that's fine. Have you heard anything about, any complaints about Louisville Bridge 33V and shutdown? I heard anything. I don't know. Good. Good. So are they not in it? Yeah. Yeah, we got it approved on the 1-4. Yes. The August. Right. That was too smart in there. Okay. So I need you to approve the August ones also. Are you not? You don't have any target. We'll do it next time. So let's do an approval motion to accept the meeting minutes on September 10th as written. No. All right. So move it up. Okay. All right. So it's like four minutes on the agenda. Okay. Yeah. Then down in the appointments, we've got Louis Griffin, Deeper Feeny, and Mail. Oh, yeah, no. What's his name? Shay. Yeah. Shay. Shay. Kay. Kay. Kay. Like that. She was like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So edits, minutes on agenda. Insane. Okay. So over minutes of communication, talk to Green Mountain Pipeline from Sheenow, Helplier, Stonegrains. Not cold. It's the second out of Stonegrains. We've been looking for Mountain Pipeline. Okay. Oh, yeah. So that's our grade. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's in this. Okay. Yeah. So look right here. It's actually in this. In this. Oh, okay. Whatever you want to call. All right. All right. Oh. Raiders call. All right. What? That's good. No, what? You're going to be nitpicking. You might call this. D is a D, not a T. That's right. And it's not cold words. It is? Okay. Okay. Raiders call it D, right? D. Yeah. Okay. Raiders. It's not like a cheese grinder. It's like that. Like that. It is going to be like that right now. At least not going to be like that. Yeah. So I, yeah. So I felt like, you know, cheese grinder is for the T. Yeah. So, yeah. This is a thing for her. All right. Oh, at least she's jumping. Tag team. It's a third mage motion to approve the LEM. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. You know. You know. Are you telling me this or not? Well, it doesn't matter. I'm letting you hear things a little bit different. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. LEMT. Change. LESMP page three.  It's a local emergency management plan. Actually, you want to just write local emergency management. Okay. Okay. Do you want to or? I know. She's sitting right next to me while I'm asking nicely. She's on film, so I'm just kidding. It hurts. Local emergency management. Man. Well, I technically quite see her. Plan. All right. Thank you. Okay. She's off camera. We'll do it. All right. So next time we'll have both of those revised in the packet. Or no, they should be fine. We should be able to sign as is. Did you say that the one from August is not? It's not in there. So I'll get August. I'll get the 24th back to you. Okay. 24th and the 10th. So 10. Yeah. Okay. Maybe. Maybe. I'm sure that was two. Yeah. All right. So we'll just have to do that part. And as I'll have a chance to look at the console report. Yeah. I have a question about that. Greg, we had talked a little bit about splitting the time of the cost of Mark's time on those two seminars and whatnot. Yes. And I noticed on this one, the first page here is 11 hours failure of training. I think so. One of them, if we need a policy, do we need some way to be able to put these out to make sure that Tony was talking about? Yeah. I'll talk to him. I talked to him about the, after you got asked about it, and he said that he tries to split them up like he'll use one of the other towns cruiser. And then they'll do something else with another town. So that he figures in his head that's splitting it up. So I'm kind of with you. I don't agree. That's really, he's trying, I think, to accommodate what we're trying to ask him to do through different means. Like last time it was, well, where the other towns were paying for the hotels and food and that was paying for my time. That's how he was trying to kind of divvy it up between everybody. Yeah. We paid for the training also on that. And in his time there. In his time there too. Yeah. Yeah, let me sit down with him and make sure that we come up with a better strategy. Well, and he has, on that particular day when you had some mileage, he was 140. Yeah, yeah, that's just, just telling you, oh. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we took our cruiser too. Okay. Yeah. I'll maybe just come up with a, see if we can come up with a better system. Well, I think he just needs to give me his, what he's, you know, a better understanding of what he's doing so that we can, we can do it, like it should be. I mean, I can see if he's doing multiple trainings at part time to one training, one day at the training, and then build a different time for a different day of training. Well, I'll have to check his time card to see. Did you check your time card to see? I haven't seen him yet this morning. Oh, that's all I'll verify to see if it's on his time card. I'll see him tomorrow. This is just his report, so it may be that he's giving it out. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'll just have to, I'll mark this one and verify his time card, because that's what we talked about last time, and I asked him about it, talked about it. That may be just that he's working for the town of Ethel, those albums, or he's showing that he was representing us or something, you know. I'll check the time card. You see, you got somebody in a 70 and a 50. The Sand Hill gravel fifth thing, right, was that? So, yeah, I think you have to, Yeah, I think you have that day on me. Actually, Mrs. Placey came in, Thursday or Friday, excuse me, Thursday or Friday, and signed the contract. I'm debating back and forth, really, if I want to use the pit or not. I don't know, I'm talking about the incident with the gravel fifth, people. Well, we decided on that. Is that, does he have that in here? Did he go out? Yeah, yeah, the only patrol people I know. Because what we decided, he came back in, and we looked at where they were digging.  Yeah. We looked on an area where he was digging, and it looked to though, he was really, really close, but he was on his own property digging. But we need to find out as he hit, really, if we want to take this next step, we can make a call to the state, because he does not have a current permit. Act 250 permit that we had to go through to get our gravel pit up here. I'm pretty confident he probably does not have that permit. Now, if you would like me to make that call to the state, I will. I know there's some concern about whether he's undermining. Well, yeah, I mean, technically, he was on his own property. And he was, because what my concern was, he was on our property digging, our material, whatever. It's really more of a civil issue as far as the undermining, because it's, it is. It's, it's sloughing off, and the people that live up there on the end of Bison Technical, it's, it's sloughing off part of their, well, it's, it's his property, really, but it will get into their property eventually. So there is an issue there. It's, it's more of a civil problem that the town shouldn't get involved with, but if we're concerned with safety, or a pit not being, being run legally, which I'll tell you this is probably not the only one in town or the only one in this general area, then we can make a call. I can make a call and say, hey, I think there's a pit running, I don't know if they have enough. I know we don't have an Act 250 permit. I looked at the, their website, the state's website, and they don't have an Act, but I can do that. If you guys would like me to do that, I can make that call. What, what's the other option? Let's say we call it the Act. The other option is that he's basically got, it's, it's an issue with, it's a safety issue, and it's, it's an issue with the surrounding leaders. So they would have to group up, and we'd be fine on returning them? Or somebody would have to make a call. One of those, I would think just one, one of those landowners could make a call at the state and say, hey, it's only digging down back here. I don't think they've got a permit. I looked at your website, I don't see that they have an Act permit. What are you going to do? That's the recommendation I would make. It's exactly right. They would have slope stability requirements. You got it. Storm water, all sorts of stuff. Yes. Yes, you're right. But I don't know if we want to make that call or if we want to just make. I mean, if it's hampering our, you know, if it's getting into a position where, you know, either there's storm water discharged onto our property because of his digging, or, or if there's undermining of our property, then I haven't really, I think that we would want to take a look at. I've looked at it just from the road. I haven't really gone in there too far, and I don't see much, but I haven't heard anything from like the guys at the shooting range or anything like that. That what I've heard more is from people on ice and take because that's his property. That's the way he's going. Is that where it is? He's going that way and continues to go that way. And what he does is he digs underneath and of course it's lost so often. He digs all and it's lost so often. So I don't know if it's, it's necessarily impacting us nearly as much as it's going to eventually impact those people on ice. I would think one of those people should make a call. Oh, maybe just, just educate them. Yeah. If they ask, then you can.  And as far as the other gravel pad, I was with Mrs. Placy. Yeah, Placy, yeah. She signed a contract for us to take the material at a really good price. Talk to Alan. I think going back and forth later on, I want to use the material. I think talking to Alan, that we'll try it this year. I'm just going to see how it goes. So I've got the crushers coming in, hopefully coming in within the next two to three weeks. And they'll crush as much stone raw. As we can afford to do. And then we'll also be putting some top soil down the first couple acres that were exposed that were required to do. That almost likely be with just a loader and maybe greater. We'll just have to see how it goes. What we're going to look and see if any of our buddies, Alan's made pretty good relationships with the neighboring towns. So he's going to see if anybody's got a dozer that we can borrow. And if we can do that, that would be great. Just push that dirt right over. So we'll probably get that thing running within the next couple weeks. If you're going to get what you want before. Yeah, it'll be probably no more than three weeks before we start running that thing. We're going to run it for whatever it is we did last time. How much? Probably 10 days, something like that. That's the only gift that we want. Right. Exactly. And then we get with it. L-M-P-E. L-E-N-P plan. Yep. So that's just your copy. So you know what to do and it really hits the fan. We saw the DRB permit application. Yep. Yeah, it's in there. Yep. So the rec master plan is on the agenda for the next DRB meeting. They'll be presenting that then and hopefully we'll get some feedback on that. See where it goes. The E-911 letter last time. How long does everybody have to change over I think it's a working program. I don't know if we necessarily established that because the towns are going to help out with this. We've actually gotten a re-receive if you'd like to reply to that. The first of the year? Right. I'll say it. There's a date in this letter. Well, that's when they're going to start. Yeah. They start July, January 1st. I don't know if it says how long you have to do it. I think it's just we start on that date. You know, I think it's implied the goal. It'll be that'll be the date you have to do it. There should be a date in here so that everybody in the area knows that my address has changed as of such and such a date. Did you say January 1st? The letter? I had an appointment. Here's the project final. It says January 1st and we are targeting it. Yeah. To change over to the new address is January 1st. Yeah. We're already somewhere. And we've gotten a few people out of the emails that don't like it. Any other business? One good item that was asked to be brought up by Greg Fettig brought to my attention that the plan for out here, and I know it's also the one in order to delete the plan. It doesn't have a light. Can I not do it? Yeah. I'm not sure. Sure. I can just show you one more. So he was asking. He was just asking the town to consider these things. No, I get it. So, yeah. I don't know in terms of, you know, there's electric. You know, this one I think is a lot easier than probably some of the other ones, like Evine Park, Fort Fort or 2. So, you get Town Hall, Fort Fort or 2, Evine Park. Probably the other, they put up poles in every cemetery, didn't they? Probably so. What I have, we can get these things as solar panels. I have those in my factory at home. Just the solar thing that, you know, the night it lights up and it's shining down in the light. Yeah. Each one of us takes one. Okay. We'll look at each other. Don't need a light. That's something you can do for the day. Yeah. We do know someone that does electric, so. My question is about lighting is we have, because I've seen it, we have the light to repair the light at the end of the river street bridge. That light has been out for the excess of a year and a half. Excess. I don't know who we need to call. I think we need to make that call and say, what the heck? So, we're given the season where it's dark when people might be walking home. That bridge belongs to Beatrice. We have given the maintenance people, what's his name? Chris. Now, Slap. He has that light.  I was told not to touch that freaking light because it belongs to the legions. So, they have everything they... We call Chris Bumps or somebody who's... I call him and Mr... Can't be that much. Mr. Geico calls him constantly. Because he calls me constantly about it. That's what I tell him is it's their light. It's giving them everything that we have. We had all the fixture stuff. You're right. We gave it all to them. So... We should ask them if they would like to assume responsibility, liability, if someone was to be injured because of a dark spot. At this point, it might be good for us to send a letter, a written correspondence to the district in regards to that. And maybe some language like Dave was saying. And CC some important people. Just have it documented. This isn't way too long. Send a formal letter to the district. All right, I can do that. There's some language in there about safety concerns. He's been told to me that it's V-trans. It's in their hands. It's their lights that were red. So we said, okay, great. Here's all the stuff. Go for it. And I know that Mr. Geico had gotten an answer from them saying that it will be to do it next week. So they don't do it within the next month and a half. They'll be plowing snow and then they won't do it. Yeah, I'll reach out to them. A letter a lot of times gets people attention. Just so you're aware in case anybody complains, when there are political signs in the right away, a yank them, just so you know.  And so if someone wants to come pick them up, they're welcome to. I usually drop them off at the office on time. So they'll be yanking them out of the right away. So in case anybody calls. Yeah, they're not supposed to put them in the right now. That's more than the common. I haven't been up that far yet. This is right over here. They're going up here in the common. Okay, I'll get it tomorrow. This is right here at the little floor. It's that time of year. It is. Why? So I do hang on to them if anybody wants to. Yeah. Okay. Anything else to come before the board tonight? Sorry. Okay. Let me know what they are.