Hello once again and welcome to another edition of the Red Brunner Williams real estate show I'm Shannon Deskins and normally you see Jennifer Brown day with me But today we have Matt Boyd also out of the Pikeville office, so welcome Glad to be here Shannon and normally at this point Jennifer and I will talk about something relevant right now And seems like right now there's nothing more prevalent than the yellow school buses starting back on the road That's right. It's that time of the year and a lot of people who have been cooped up And you've realized with the kids home this summer how small your house really is I guess you guys find that out a lot Absolutely, definitely once you're adding to the family you need to upgrade sometimes And now that the kids are getting ready to go back to school That'll give you the opportunity to browse the website RB and w.com and then get out and do some drive-by's and I guess you guys always encourage people to just get out And drive by these listings absolutely That's the best way to look at properties you're interested in everybody has their own interests and just drive-by You take a look at a house you like we can help you out showing it All right, and we're gonna show you five homes today some of most of these are your listings So you'll be able to tell us all about them. Let's start out The first one is in Pike County, but this is technically in the Mullins edition. Yeah, that's right It's right off 23 right past the old Mullins elementary just turned right into Mullins edition right at the end of the street there This is a very nice house. It's a large house It has over 2,000 square foot just on the first floor and this is kind of a multi-level home Where it kind of drops down the family room drops back up in other rooms And it also has an additional second floor as well And we've just talked about families in school and one of the pictures that you're gonna see on your screen Is this awesome place it in the backyard? Absolutely. It's got a large backyard. It's fenced in by the way It's got a large front yard and the both the yards on the side is large as well Plenty enough room for an in-ground or above-ground pool if you do that And they've made some additions to this home as well. They are crown molding There's hardwood and laminate that they've replaced downstairs It's got a separate dining room and a first-floor bedroom And this is a great great opportunity for for a larger family to live right and then looking at the pictures You can tell the people that have owned this house have gone the extra mile to take care of putting those extra touches in there Absolutely, absolutely. They're taking care of it very well, and then I see too right now We say fireplace and with the heat we've been having you know It's like nobody wants to fool with that but looking ahead to the winter and things like that Fireplaces are so nice to have right it won't be long until you may need that fireplace soon, right? You know and you've got a first-floor bedroom An additional three bedrooms on the second floor So talking about families everything about this house to me screams family from the backyard To the bedrooms to everything about this absolutely Shannon also to this this house has about three Living rooms family rooms on the first floor you can use as a former living room or as a TV room if you want So if you do have a family with several children and there is that argument over what to watch on TV You've got plenty of room. Oh, yeah To give everybody their own space to watch what they want to watch. That's right Okay, now like I said this home is in Pike County and now this one is your listing correct. That's correct Okay, let's talk about 230,000 is the price on this one if somebody wanted to to give you a call. Let's give a phone number for them Yeah, you can reach us at our Pikeville office at<PHONE_NUMBER> Okay, and that one one zero seven zero seven five is that MLS number just call Matt and tell him that number And he'll get your showing started Alright now moving on to the next one. This one is also your listing and in Pike County just up the road on Rattler's Creek That's right. This is also just off of 23 Technically not in city limits, but it's so close It's just a half a mile if that from 23 and all of your restaurants and shops So everyone uses all the time and the thing about this one is even though it's that close to 23 and that close to To the city it has very it's very peaceful. It's by itself has privacy Almost gives you a country kind of feel right there close to 23 and I know for you guys being the realtors on these That's got to be your favorite listings because you can take someone Within five minutes of all the amenities of let's say downtown Pikeville in the shopping areas, but you go stop listen You don't hear any of that. So you've got the convenience of the country feel But being so close to everything you need absolutely. Absolutely. This has a very rustic feel to it It's got a as you can see on these pictures. It's got a large deck You can go out there and have you a cup of coffee in the morning and it's up there by itself They've taken very well very good care of it and they've got hardwood laminate throughout some carpets in the bedroom and And even some tiles well and and anybody that knows me and you'll get to know me This part about me is I'm a very outdoorsy person So this deck just screams to me because that's something that we've talked about so many times before Is you've got your square footage of what's on the inside? But you get these outdoor living spaces that that's not counted in the square footage But yet you live out there as much as you do in the house Absolutely, and it gives you that feel too when you walk inside. It's got large cathedral wood ceilings I kind of get you that rustic look master bedroom is on the first floor with master bath So it's definitely definitely key that maybe maybe someone has someone elderly with them It helps them to have the first floor bedroom, and then you've got two storage buildings And one thing I do like about Ratliff's Creek if you're not familiar with that area is you've got two ways to enter You can turn it on and off of us 23 But if you're gonna go to downtown pipe well You can go up the all the way through Ralph's Creek and come out there on town Mountain Road Absolutely, so convenience I guess would be the big key on this one Yeah convenience and privacy with those two things sometimes don't go hand-in-hand But these are this one definitely meets that and on the third one I'm gonna say and price because this one is listed at $159.5 So if you're in the market, and that's your price range You're gonna have to give Matt a call on this one or shoot him an email because I would bet this one won't last long Absolutely, I don't expect this in the last long at all for what you're getting here. That price is is excellent Okay, let's let's give your email address in case somebody would prefer just to email you yeah My email address is mboyed at rbnw.com. All right now when you call on this one or email him 107 243 is that MLS number now? We'll move on to another one of your listings, but this one we're going to go into Floyd County So we'll get on 23 and go north just a little bit across the Herald Bridge, right? This one's not far Yeah, this is you turn there in Herald 23 you head down past T. Berry on 979 and this is actually in Ligon, Kentucky And if you're familiar with Floyd County, you're gonna know this one is Convenient to 23 because you've got the access of mud creek right there going out to us 23 But you're in the country and that seems to be the thing so far today show absolutely this is a country very peaceful house just like we talked about with the last ones and this one also has An additional lot that comes with it public water is available if you want to put a house or even a mobile home there It's already cleared off ready to go and there's a flat. It's literally right across the street from this property Yeah, there's nice three storage buildings and a two-car carport So plenty of storage area and it also has hardwood floors throughout the entire house Right and this you know to look at the front of it, you know It is an older home But that's attractive for a lot of people because you know on these types of homes someone has taken a very good care Right and the owner has lived there the entire time. He's he built the house. He's been there the whole time He's taking care of it very well the price on this one in Floyd County 89.5 so that's a very attractive price plus remember you're getting that one acre lot included in that so This is one you have co-listed with Jennifer, correct That is correct You can call the Pipeville office and reach me or Jennifer both of us will be able to help you out to to show this property All right, let's give that number It is<PHONE_NUMBER> is our Pipeville office. All right Matt or Jennifer either one will help you with that one now Moving on to the next one that we're talking about in this one I love because it's on 21 acres of property Absolutely, this this area this property is down 460 you take the fish trap exit off of 23 and turn right on to Rocky Road That's where the property is located. This is 20 over 21 acres Some hillside that actually includes four to five flats that you can put an additional home or mobile home on and that is We're just like the last one that we talked about when you've got that Additional acreage or those places that if you're the type that you like a project or you want to develop and possibly put Some more home seats or house seats in I mean you can do that with this one And anytime that that you can buy a house and you can say it's in this area Rocky Road is close to fish trap It's down that area so boating fishing outdoor recreation I mean this was screaming to the outdoor person the the person who likes to fish to hunt and those things and Me we're talking about that outdoor space look at that front porch beautiful absolutely beautiful And then that's when you talked about earlier about being able to start your day You can start your day and end your day when the weather is nice on these front porches Especially right now this time of year go out and have your coffee in the morning and then after work You come home, and you just unwind right there outside absolutely absolutely they're in there in peace if you want peace This is a great great opportunity for you here And then when we talked about the four or five flats on the property that go with this home when you can say there's no Restrictions which I see that on this listing. That's huge because a lot of times You buy property then you start looking into it and it's like but you can't do this right? You can't you can't put mobile homes or you can't right has to be certain amount of square foot This has absolutely no restrictions, so you can do with it what you'd like right and this is another home that has been well taken care of That you can see so I just love the space on this one The house is nice, but I think the property and the opportunities for the future maybe what sells this absolutely the environment around it Especially what sells the house and then US 460 where this is located next year the new Millard Middle school will open which is right there too, so you think you're close to schools now You're gonna be a lot closer to schools once that new school opens So this one is gonna continue to become more and more attractive sure all right this house 21 acres 106 846 is this one Let's let's throw us some information if they're if they want to see this one Who should they call you can call myself or Jennifer Brown day at our practical office You can reach me at in Boyd at rbnw.com or jbrown at rbnw.com as well as our phone number<PHONE_NUMBER> All right And we haven't even told you the price yet on this one and we've talked about the acreage and the house and everything 199 For that house on Rocky Road, so give them a call get that listing Scheduled and go out and take a look at that one now. Let's the last listing and we'll end the show On another one that's right not far from where we're sitting right now. It's on peach orchard in Pikeville That's right. Just right down the street from the studios here at EKB and literally down on the left This is in city limits, obviously and it's it's a it's a nice little house, especially for some Undergrad students. I know they may not have found someplace to live yet But he's looking to purchase a home as well anybody working anywhere downtown including Pikeville Medical Center, right? And I know peach orchard is a really neat area because you literally are over top of the city of Pikeville But believe it or not the noise of the city and everything doesn't make it all the way I've got so many trees and things like that that you're in the city You're over the city, but yet you've got that country feel and one of the pictures I'm so glad you included was the deck on this house. We talked about outdoor living This is another one where you're gonna enjoy those evenings Absolutely, but it's got a large front porch and a huge deck to the left side of the house Parking for two up front off of the street and it also has a full basement where the bedrooms are We'll go ahead and throw that price out 6999 so this one's under 70,000 so how many possibilities start coming into my mind very attractive price And it's not just as you live there for undergrad because eventually they're gonna graduate right and after that It leads into a great investment property if you want to continue to have income there It's perfect for that right and that was the next thing is it may be that that that is Your thing that you have different properties that you lease or you rent to people this these type don't come open very often That you can purchase to be able to turn around and make an income on these right So this is another one to look at right here in the city of Pikeville And I'm assuming the Pikeville office will handle this one. Absolutely All right, we talked about the price already 6999 the MLS number one zero six five one two and We talked we see we throw that number out a lot on every listing But each house has a very specific number and I guess it would be much easier for somebody to give that number than to Call and try to describe a house they saw may they may not have the road correct or exactly location This just makes it so much simpler absolutely if you look at the Holmes magazine or you look on our website You see the MLS number you give that number to us We're going to know exactly what house you're talking about Especially if it's our listing and all the information will come up It makes it a lot easier for us to be able to find you at your right home right one oh six five one two is the One for this one on peach orchard. So we've given you five listings throughout the last 15 minutes Hopefully we've got some wheels turning today and you guys are going to get some phone calls or some emails Right. All right now. It's time for me to step out and I guess you will do the real estate minute. Thanks, Shane Summer is winding down and the kids are already gearing up for school follows right around the corner There's never been a better time to find your dream home Whether you're looking for a home in the downtown area of Pikeville when the peaceful countryside of Pikeville, Floyd County We'll surely be able to find a home that meets your needs from hundreds of listings in the area As you know from seeing me on the show a few months ago I am the newest member of our real estate team here at red Brian and William I couldn't be more happy to be a part of this company that continues to exhibit the best customer service and serve the Community with the utmost entirety So if you're looking for that dream home or looking to sell your home pick up the phone and give us a call Thank you for joining us on another episode of red brown and Williams real estate show We'd be honored if you would join us again next time


Well, and welcome into the Jackie Boswell show. I'm Joe Wombo, joined with Jackie Boswell, head coach of the women's basketball team. And coach, you guys have an impressive performance against Hood on Wednesday and then another impressive performance at Arcadia on Saturday. Talk a little bit about the even scoring that's going on for you guys. Yes, I'm really happy with where we're playing right now. I think we're getting a lot of compliments to Sarah with different players. Jennie, Caitlin, I think Amani Sanders is playing really well for us right now. And Vani Grant, Cameron Ward, everybody's just stepping up and just doing their job. And we talked a little bit about that on Saturday after Saturday's game, that everybody has a role and you just need to accept what that is and just do your job. So I'm real happy with where we are right now. I think we've worked really hard to get here. And now we just got to keep going. There's still a lot of hard work ahead of us. Yeah, you talk about that hard work. You guys definitely put in the effort in the beginning part of the schedule. We're playing all those tough out-of-conference games. Now it's starting to pay off when you need it most in the stretch of the conference schedule. Right, we know we made it hard for our kids. And I know that they were feeling that pressure in the mid part of the season. And it is hard, but you just got to keep focused. And nothing that you really want is ever really comes easy anyway. And we just kept staying focused on that. I'm really proud of the mental toughness that they showed, because it wasn't easy and I'm happy with where we are right now, but we got a long way to go. Let's talk about that mental toughness to a lot of production from players other than Sarah, who gets double and triple team and still is averaging a double-double. Talk a little bit about the shooting percentage that you guys had against Arcadia. You guys shot almost 80% in the second half. Yeah, at halftime, one of the adjustments that we made was making sure that the ball went inside out and that a lot of people touched it. And we felt like if we could do that and be patient in our offense, that the shots would come a little bit easier, especially on an opponent's floor when it's tough to shoot. And that's how we were able to do that, I think. And the confidence that we were playing with, I think, is a big part of it too. You have to go out there and play with that kind of confidence. You talk about playing on the opponent's court and being able to have production. You're also getting production at home. You guys start this week off at Lebanon Valley and then hear it for Lebanon Valley and then travel to Albright. Talk a little bit about those games that you guys got coming up. Well, I think we have to be excited for them and I think we have to really look forward and be happy with where we are right now and feel confident going into these games. We know that they're tough games. We are definitely not underestimating anything that's coming in front of us, but we should feel pretty good about where we are as long as we continue to work. And we got two days to prepare for Lebanon Valley and we have to put a lot of work in and we have to go back and we have to watch film. And even though we did do a lot of things well in the last couple of games, we still got to figure out what are we still not doing well so that we can be playing our best by February. Well, coach, we wish you the best of luck in continuing this success and righting the rungs if there are any. Great, thank you very much. She's Jackie Boswell. I'm Joe Wama and this has been the Jackie Boswell show.


for channel 71 and TomCast channel 25. Meetings can also be viewed live from the city website, www.cityofcapitaler.org. Our technician tonight is Ben Thompson. The site's being physically closed for the public participation is still possible. Public comments can be e-mailed to council for their attention. That should be planning commission for their attention during tonight's meeting. Identify the item you wish to comment on in your e-mail subject line. E-mail comments will be accessed starting now up until I announce the public comment for that item. Please close. Each e-mail comment will be read aloud for up to three minutes or displayed on the screen. Each public comment period will e-mail for three minutes period. E-mail received by public comment at ci.capitaler.ca.us outside of the comment period outlined will not be included in the record. Lastly, we wanna thank you for your indulgence tonight as we adapt to the necessities of the moment. Next item is the roll call. Commissioners Christensen. We. Ruth. We send notes for the record that everyone is present by Zoom remote if we don't have anyone to do the roll call. Oh, we can. We have actually the roll call on our devices. So everyone is present. The minutes should show. The next is the pledge of allegiance.  And I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. The President. The President. The President. The President. One nation. And the God. The region. The result of the roll call. That was not our best rendition, but it was excellent. Next oral communications. Any additions or deletions to the agenda? No additions or deletions to the agenda. However, I would like to suggest that item 4C be moved to 4B, because our chair will have to recuse himself from item 4B if that could be moved to 1601 41st Avenue to item 4C. Will that in mind then? Will there be a director's report? There will be a director's report. OK, so I'll remain for that then. All right, so next is the opportunity for public comment. And this puts us in the our first opportunity to try out the most public comment system. So we will need to take a short break to see if any public comments come in. We will resume the meeting at 707. Currently, we're taking public comment for anything not on the agenda. It looks like we do have a public comment for a future item. So you want to hold that until that item comes up? Yes, we'll hold that until that item comes up. Again, we're doing public comment for anything not currently on the agenda. And we're running it for three minutes. We're two minutes in. And at this point, we have no items that have not been posted on the agenda in our public comment for email. OK, that's the end of the public comment. Any commission comments? No comment from Commissioner Wilk. No comment from Commissioner Ruth. No comment from Commissioner Wilk. Commissioner Christensen, I assume none. No comment from Commissioner Christensen. I'm sorry, I was muted. OK. OK, it takes us to item number three, the consent calendar. There's one item on the consent calendar, 115 Santa Fe Avenue. There are a couple commissioners who will not vote on this. Do we have, does anyone wish to remove this from the consent calendar? That includes members of the public, if any member of the public wishes to have the 115 Santa Fe Avenue item heard with a full hearing. They need to send in an email right now. And that email can be sent to public comment at ci.capitola.ca.us. Is that screen filled up? It's on my. It is. You can have your video displayed on this. Oh, I do. Oh, I think so. OK, things unlikely we're going to get any. If we rarely get this, anyway. And if someone wants to come in later, we'll reconsider the item. Do we have a motion on the consent calendar? So moved. Commissioner Welch, do you approve the consent calendar? Commissioner Russe seconds. OK, roll call vote, please. Commissioner Christensen? Do you want me to do the roll call, Katie? I guess I think we're having a problem with Liz's. Microphone, so that would be fantastic. Thank you. OK, Commissioner Christensen? Hi. Commissioner Russe? Hi. Commissioner Wilk? Wilk. Welch, Bane. Yeah, OK. And Commissioner Welch, I got the two of them kind of melded. Yes. OK, and the chair of Bane, so that's carry three to nothing, the two of them. Next item is the public hearing for 1515 Prospect Avenue. Staff report, please. OK, good evening, commissioners. This is Director Hurley and 1515 Prospect Avenue. Matt Planner-Orbach has worked closely with the applicant on this application. He is available for questions at the end of the presentation, but due to the unique circumstances, I'll be doing the presentation this evening. So the applicant is proposing a 367 square feet of first and second story additions to an existing 1,457 square foot two-story nonconforming single family residence located at 1515 Prospect Avenue within the R1 single family residential zoning district. The existing residence at 1515 Prospect Avenue is a nonconforming two-story single family residence. The lot is in the Jewelbox neighborhood and is surrounded by one and two story single family homes. Before you on the screen this evening is the existing site plan showing the single family home footprint and a large driveway in the front yard. The proposed site plan is shown on this slide. The existing residence is nonconforming because the second story encroaches into the required front and second story side setbacks and the garage encroaches into the front setback. The applicant submitted the required 80% nonconforming calculation, which demonstrates that the proposed alterations do not exceed the 80% of the present fair market value of the structure, so the alterations are permissible. Within this slide, you see the existing first and second story. Next, we'll move on to the proposed floor plan. The applicant is proposing 637 square feet of first and second story additions that include a master bedroom and an extensive remodel. The area in green is the new landscaping for the site. As seen in this slide, the second story additions. So a new staircase going up on the side and then two areas of the existing home will be removed to make sure that the house stays within the maximum floor area. This slide shows the existing elevations. Next are the proposed elevations. The proposed remodel will utilize stucco siding on the first and second story with a Spanish tiled roof. The applicant is proposing several improvements within the public right of way, including new curb and gutter, depressed driveway approach, landscaping, and two permeable paver strips for one new off-street parking space. The Public Works Department has reviewed the plan and supports the proposed improvements with the issuance of a minor encroachment permit. The project complies with the zoning code for the R1 district. Staff has worked very closely through multiple revisions on this project. And this evening, staff is recommending the Planning Commission Approved Project 19-0267 based on the conditions of approval and findings found in the staff report. Thank you. Are there any questions for the staff? There are any. This is Commissioner Welch. I have to just have one question. I see that they changed their rear second story window to comply with the Arkansas request that it be pulled feet off the ground. Is that anywhere in our code? Is that just something we're asking them to do because they had a flat roof? And if that's the case, is it something that we're going to try to enforce because of them having a flat roof as it comes up on other homes? So this is something that... Oh, go ahead, Matt. I was just gonna say, the precedent for this was set with 511F Galona where there was a flat roof that I now stand with planning to use in the future as a deck when the zoning code is adopted by the planning, the Coastal Commission. So this app came up at Arkansas and the applicant was willing to have the windows raised so just to make sure that there wasn't roof access until that code is adopted and they're able to put in the deck up there. Yeah, and I'm glad that the applicant was going to comply with that. I guess, again, my concern is, one, it's not necessarily in our code, it's something that we look at, but if we look at, which is being a retired fire guy, I look at these escape routes for these folks. So a typical fryer in a two-story house happening in the kitchen is gonna run up the staircase which would block or impede their ability often to get to the front of the house and that may be their viable option that's going out. So I just hate to unnecessarily make people change something based on what we perceive as could be a problem as opposed to let them be an adult and then if they violate it, then we deal with it then. So those are just my comments. Okay, any other questions for staff? I kind of wanted to second each day's sentiment. This is Commissioner Cushman. I not only am an escape route perspective, but I felt reading through the staff report, I felt it was a little, even with Descalona, I think that was the last project that they made to windows a little bit, the sill of the window higher or police arc and site requested that that be done. I feel that if it's their design intention to have a larger window and it's not obviously a door, I don't see the reasoning to making people raise their sills, but I mean, it's just a comment, but. So this is Commissioner Wilk. Can I chime in since no one, I raised my hand and no one calls on me. I can see your hand. So I agree with the previous two comments, but my question for staff is, if we did not want to insist that they have the forefoot raised window is the proper procedure to ask for a continuance so that we can get the applicant an opportunity to resubmit his drawings and if he so chooses and then allow a couple of comments and then review this again at the next meeting. I believe you just include in your motion the option for the applicant to return to the original designed windows. Yeah, I don't think we'd be doing the applicant any favor continuing that hearing. Well, my concern is that if we change the ruling that public comment doesn't get a chance to weigh in. In other words, there's now an opportunity that there might be a deck there and neighbors might complain and we kind of made this ruling without them getting a chance to complain. And this is Commissioner Ruth. I think if the applicant is certainly agreeable to the Planning Commission's recommendation that we should go along with that and not propose anything new that could delay the project for them. That's fine. Yeah, I think Commissioner Wilkner's a good point. It's not likely, but we don't know for sure and it's not a good practice to change the application in a way that's more favorable for the applicant without people knowing that's gonna happen. Okay, so we've now opened the public hearing on this and once again, the public hearing will be by means of email and we will allow three minutes for public comment. So it will be reconvene at 7.2. And I'm monitoring public comment through a separate device. If we get public, I'll bring it up after the three minutes. We are receiving public comment from the applicant. The first public comment says I agree with the staff report and that is from the applicant that came in earlier. The second public comment which was just received says we do not want a continuance. Also from the applicant, I assume. That's from the applicant as well. Next, there's public comment from Anthony Ravey and the public comment says I feel the project would greatly improve the neighborhood. However, I would not want a rear deck to ever be added and that is that public comment. And those are the three public comments regarding 15, 15 prospect out at this time. Okay, we will close the public hearing and we're gonna have each of the commissioners provide input if any one by one. So we'll start with the Christian sense. You have to unmute. Yep, I got it. I mean, I wouldn't suggest having a continuance on this project by any means. I was just commenting. My previous comment was just to address the fact that I've seen two different projects having to raise windows that were previously designed as larger windows. And I just thought that was kind of an overstep in my opinion, but that's all. I wouldn't want to continue. Commissioner Rue. I believe the applicant has stated his desire not to change the plan and go along with the staff recommendation. So I would support that. Commissioner Will. I agree. And I would just like to thank the applicant for investing in our community. Commissioner Welch. I support the project and I appreciate the neighbor and the applicant sharing their views. So I support, in fact, I would move that we approve the 1515 project revenue out of 19, 0267. Okay, just for the record, I should have the input which is basically to agree with everyone. So, there's a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Next, Commissioner Christensen. Okay, so we have a motion and a second. The motion is to approve the application. And I don't have the number with me, but oh, here it is. Project number 19-0267 with the conditions of approval and finding test reports and the staff reports. All in favor, we're gonna have to do a roll call. So I'll do the roll call. Commissioner Christensen. Hi. Commissioner Ruth. Hi. Commissioner Wilch. Hi. Commissioner Welch. Hi. And Chairman, yes, so that passes unanimously. So the next item, why don't we just go in the order that they're on the agenda. So, I will be recusing myself from this due to a proximity conflict and I'll turn it over to Vice Chair Rue. Thank you, Commissioner Newman. This is item B, a public hearing for 1601 41st Avenue assigned permit for new wall signs for the new outdoor supply hardware company located in the CC Community Zoning District. Thank you, Planning Commission. The applicant is requesting two new wall signs for business located at 1601 41st Avenue in the Community Commercial Zoning District. The application requires planning commission approval under the existing master sign program. The new outdoor supply hardware store is one of the major commercial tenants within King's Plaza Shopping Center. The site is located within Capitola's 41st Avenue Commercial Corridor. The multi-tenant building is near the corner of Capitola Road and 38th Avenue. The site indicating the wall signs on the screen. Both signs face into King's Plaza. So the primary sign is facing 41st Avenue and the second sign B is the nursery sign which faces into King's Plaza into the parking lot. Shown on the slide is the front entry sign over the front entry which is oriented towards 41st Avenue. And the sign B, the nursery sign, is facing into the parking lot at King's Plaza. King's Plaza is governed by a master sign program. All signs that exceed 70 square feet require planning commission approval. The proposed sign A on the front of this building is 85 square feet and therefore requires planning commission approval. As shown on this slide, the proposed 85 square foot sign for sign A, there's a maximum limitation for sign A of 100 square feet. So the proposed sign area is in compliance. The maximum sign height is in compliance and I'll get into that in a moment. The maximum lettering height complies with a range of three to five and a half feet. And the maximum logo height, there is no maximum logo on this one. So the maximum sign height is five feet, six inches under the master sign program. Due to the unique shape of the design, staff measured the height as an average which is less than five feet, six inches. If planning commission does not agree with this methodology, the sign could be conditioned to not exceed five feet, six inches in total height. I wanted to bring up that in the staff report, there was a typo in paragraph two in the Osh sign section stating that the average sign height is five feet, two inches. The correct height are listed in the table at the average sign height was five feet, four and a half inches. The proposed tenant signs C, D and E are located along 41st Avenue, Capitola Road, and 38th Avenue. The signs comply with the master sign program and would otherwise be approved administratively. Staff recommends the Planning Commission approved project 20-0105 based on the conditions of approval and findings. Thank you, Katie. Are there any comments or questions from the commission before we open the public hearing? No comment from Commissioner Wilk. Commissioner Wilks? No comment from Commissioner Wilk. Commissioner Christensen? No comment from Commissioner Christensen. Okay, well, we will take three minutes for public comment. Katie, are you putting that address on the screen? There we go. So if you'd like to comment on the side and you have three minutes to email publiccomment at ci.capitola.ca.us. Commissioner Ruth, I'm seeing no public comment. I'll open it just to share. Okay, there's no public comments. Are there any comments from the commissioners? Commissioner Wilks? No comment. Commissioner Christensen? No comment. I think it will be a nice sign, honestly. It's nice to have that store back again. Commissioner Welch? No comment. Okay, with that, there's no comments from the public. Is there a motion to approve the application? I have a motion to approve. I have a motion to approve. Commissioner Wilk, seconds. Okay, we have a motion and a second. We'll do the roll call. And that includes all the conditions, I presume. Commissioner Wilks? I. Commissioner Christensen? I. Commissioner Welch? I. And Commissioner Ruth votes I. Okay, Chairman Newman, it's back to you. Thank you. That takes us to the third and last public hearing which is 1850, 43rd Salmonary. And that is, we have the application number here. Conditional youth permit amendments for retail cannabis establishment in the community commercial building district. Staff report, please. Good evening, commissioners. Before you is a amendment to a conditional youth permit for a retail cannabis establishment at 1850, 41st Avenue. This first slide shows the history of the project. From the time it was selected as a potential retail cannabis license, then following that there was an appeal. So the effective date for starting the license was August 2nd, 2019. The applicant came to planning commission on October 3rd and was granted a CUP. Following that, they had a deadline of February 2nd in which to get their other licenses in place. There's the CUP, the conditional youth permit as well as the state license. The applicant applied for a state license on November 25th, 2019. Their application, they received confirmation that it was received on December 17th. On January 30th, the applicant was informed by the BCC that they were not going to issue them the license without the construction being completed on the building, which was problematic. This applicant is currently taking over a building in which there is an existing lease. So the construction could not be completed by February as they're not planning to move in until the upcoming months. So with that, on January 13th, the applicant, well, the applicant was in touch with the city following the news on the 30th. And after working through the legalities of it on March 13th, we directed the applicant to apply for an amendment to the condition. Amending this condition is not outside the realm of what's allowed within the cannabis license as outlined in the staff report. So the applicant is requesting that condition number 16 be amended so that the permit shall expire. And actually we received a letter this past week in due to the current very unique circumstances of our sheltering in place. The originally their request was for May 2nd, 2020, but should any unforeseeable hurdles come their way during this time, they just simply need to pay for their permit is what I understand. They're asking that this be extended the full six months from the February 2nd date, which would be extended to August 3rd, 2020. And staff is recommending that the planning commission approve the amendment to the conditional use permit based with the amended condition, including extending the permit until August 3rd, 2020 in line with the findings and amended conditions in the staff report and presentation. Thank you. Any questions of staff? Commissioner Rufi, I have one. Do we know what their anticipated opening date is? At this point, I know that as soon as they get occupancy of the site, they wanna begin work and we'll have to do a review under this, the closure of how much work can be done immediately. I do understand that under the previous order, cannabis was an essential service, was listed as essential service. So we'll be doing a review of that at the time that the building permit will be issued and working closely with them. My understanding is from the time that they get occupancy of the building, they would like to start working, so. That won't be prior to the August 3rd date. They were hoping to get occupancy, I believe, in sooner than the August 3rd date. So are they allowed to do that under the provisional license or? Yes. Not having the actual license from the state and there's no liability for the city and all having them to do that? No, they could move forward with their building permit. Okay, thank you, Katie. Yes. Any other questions? If not, we will open the public hearing and allow three minutes for emails to resume at 7.43. There is a public comment that has been received from the applicant and I'll take this time while the public can continue to send in messages and the public comment states, dear commissioners, thank you for your time this evening. The Apothecarium team is extremely thankful for the time and work you've provided thus far. We look forward to opening our retail location and serving the citizens of the city of Capitola and surrounding areas. We would also like to thank staff who worked on creating this report and its recommendations. We reviewed the staff report and support its recommendations with the modification that condition of approval number 16 of conditional use permit 19-0408 be extended to six months from the original expiration date to August 2nd, 2020 or the next business day. As the record indicates, the process through which we worked with the Bureau of Cannabis Control or BBC to receive approval of licensure took an unusual amount of time and resources. As with any new department, the BBC was developing its processes which resulted in changing expectations and requirements. During that time, we worked diligently with the BBC to address any concerns over the application process, oftentimes resulting in several follow-up emails or calls to ensure requested documents were received or questions were answered. Simultaneously, we worked tirelessly with city representatives to maintain momentum towards full licensure while recognizing certain local hurdles. The BBC approved our license on March 13th. Now we face additional uncertainties in the finalization of our state licensure. The current COVID-19 crisis in our community seemed unimaginable a mere three weeks ago. We initially requested a three month extension of condition 16 through May 2nd, 2020, believing that it would be sufficient to finalize payment and processing of our state license. However, three days after the letter was submitted, the Bay Area issued the first shelter-in-place order. These new orders, while extremely justified, have resulted in additional delays in our ability to move our project forward and ensure we receive our license from the BBC, even if we were to issue the payment for the license tomorrow. Therefore, we respectfully request the extension be made for a term of six months from the original expiration date to Monday, August 3rd, 2020. Because we are uncertain when the BBC will be able to process our payment for the license, which may have adverse effects on the stipulations of our project with the city, we feel this request is reasonable. A six month extension will allow us the time to understand the BBC's capabilities to process payment and then grant us our license. Additionally, we feel this request for extension is in the best interest of both parties, so we do not have to request an additional extension should additional unexpected circumstances arise. Accordingly, and for all of the reasons stated above, we support the recommendation of the staff with the edits to extend condition 16 through August 2nd, 2020. Thank you for your time and consideration. Yanez Carrasco. And that is the only public comment. I'm checking right now to ensure that. Yes, that is the only public comment for this item. Well, it's the end date of August 2nd and the end date of August 3rd have been mentioned, not that that's a big difference. That's a quick one of those. Yeah, February's. Okay, okay, well whoever makes the motion can take that into account, but we'll close the public hearing. And I'm talking about close the public hearing and bring it back to the commissioners. Let's change the order around a little bit. Commissioner Welch. No, call me. Okay, commissioner. Luke. No comment. Commissioner Christensen. No comment. I think that supporting what they are requesting seems reasonable. Commissioner Welch. So I kind of feel bad for the applicant for all the red tape that the city has put them through. And like the rest of the commissioners know that I asked staff if there's any way we could give them a relief on their reapplication fee because of all the red tape that the city that didn't necessarily put them through, but the state certainly did. And apparently legal said, well, no, the commission can't do that because effectively that's tapping into the general fund. But of course the city council could. So I guess we don't want to go there, but I do, I just want to express my sympathy to the applicant for all the red tape that they had to go through. And I hope they're a maintain their enthusiasm for this project. That's all right. Myself, it's very unfortunate that this is the time when I really need them in this period of great stress. So I think they had to get delayed, but do we have a motion? Move approval. What's the amendment to the condition? Commissioner Welch seconds. Okay. So the motion is to approve the amendment to the conditional use permit to extend it to August 2, 2020 based on the conditions that person with staff report and findings and roll call. Excuse me, chair. I'll do that again, Mr. Reese. Chair Newman. Hi. Sorry. Well, you want to do it? I just wanted to comment before the roll call that I think these are unique circumstances and typically I wouldn't add comment after the public hearing is closed, but another email did come in and support from a Roger Sheheen. And I'd like to read it's just a few sentences just so it's on the record. I have no issue with this. It sounds like, I'm sorry, it sounds like they have done a very reasonable job throughout their permit process. I would give them the extension time due to the circumstances today. Good luck, Roger Sheheen. Thank you. Okay. Well, thank you. I'll add that to the record. And I think we're at Commissioner Wilk. Hi. Commissioner Christensen. Hi. Commissioner Welch. Hi. And Chair Lowkai. So that passes unanimously. And the next item is the director's report. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. First, I'd really like to thank you this evening for being so flexible during this uncertain time. And I wanted to give you an update on our department and how we are dealing with the current shelter in place. So as you all know, on March 16th, there was an order to shelter in place for the County of Santa Cruz. And this was recently extended on March 31st and updated with more specificity than the original order. Okay. So within the planning division, we have, within the shelter in place, actually, there's direction that even within your essential services, if you have staff that can work at home, can work remotely, that is what is advised. So currently within our planning division, we've got two staff members and they're both working remotely from home. We have updated our system that they're available for any questions, the best route for the public to be in touch with our planners. And this is very clear on our website if you go to community development. There's very clear directions that you should email planning at ci.capitola.ca.us. You can also call our main number and the phone calls are placed to planners' voicemails in which they will return the call, hopefully by end of day, but definitely within 24 hours. All existing applications that we have in process will be continued to be processed. New applications now require electronic submittal, which I think is a relief for some of our applicants in the past that have had to drive over the hill to drop off plans. So we're now taking in applications electronically. We're following up with invoices and then payment. Currently is by check, but we're updating that system as well to be able to take in electronic payment. New applications once and old, once they go through the, we'll take them through the process with planning commission or if it's an administrative process, we'll take them through the process to the point that we'll issue entitlements. Construction for any use is subject to the order that's in place now. So we'll review each application and dependent on what type of application is, if it were a home occupation, we could approve that administratively. If it's an application for a new development, we'd have to look at the type of development and whether or not it's under the order. If it was an affordable housing development that could proceed right now under the order and be developed with construction. One part of the new order that came out is specific to vacation rentals. And I wanted to take a moment to go over that so that we get, this came out today, clear direction. So vacation rentals, including those rented through Airbnb, VRBO and other platforms are not allowed to operate as such under the revised order. Under the order, only essential businesses are allowed to operate and travel is prohibited unless for essential services or purposes as defined in the order. These locations may not be used for non-essential leisure travel. Vacation rentals are not an essential business as defined in the order, but they may be allowed to continue operations under certain circumstances related to essential services such as the first is providing housing for traveling emergency and public safety personnel, providing housing for traveling medical personnel, providing housing for other essential workers and providing housing for families attending to critical medical needs of local relatives. More specifically, vacation rentals should not be used by their owners to shelter in place if they have to leave another county to come to their vacation rental. All vacation rental bookings not currently in effect should be canceled through May 3rd, 2020. Current vacation rental occupants are encouraged to return home unless they have no other place to go or unable to safely travel. So this is just out from the county today. I'll be updating our website tomorrow with all of this information. We're also taking a further step and Planner Susanto has been putting together letters that will have for each property owner that owns a vacation rental, they'll receive that. So we're notifying each owner and letting them know of this change. Within our building division, this has been, there's been major shifts from the first order to the second. Under the first order, housing could continue for development, the new order is very specific that only affordable housing projects can continue. And then I'm just gonna quickly go through the list of what's allowed in terms of construction. So projects immediately necessary to the maintenance operation or repair of essential infrastructure. Projects associated with healthcare operations including creating or expanding healthcare operations. Affordable housing that is or will be income restricted including multi-unit and mixed unit developments. Public works projects if specifically designated as essential government function by the lead government agency. Shelters and temporary housing but not including hotels and or motels. Projects immediately necessary to provide critical non-commercial services to individuals experiencing homelessness, elderly persons, persons who are economically disadvantaged and persons with special needs. Construction necessary to ensure that the existing construction sites that must be shut down under this order are left in a safe and secure manner but only to the extent necessary to do so. And construction or repair necessary to ensure that residents and buildings contain essential businesses are safe, sanitary, and habitable to the extent such construction or repair cannot reasonably be delayed. So these last two are the, our building division is actually going through all current permits that we have and figuring out where they are in the development process. We don't have any affordable housing developments happening right now. There's the TerraCorp project that just finished with one unit that's actually on the market currently but that has gotten its certificate of occupancy. So basically all the construction that is out there for commercial and for the development of homes are going to have to shut down once they're found to be safe and under those last two bullets. So we're our building official and building inspector today spent the whole day just going through the list of current projects and deciding how each one has to be reviewed individually to see what the next steps are in order to ensure safety and to make sure that if any home that, if they've got a kitchen that's not working or any plumbing issues, any of that, we've got to maintain that buildings are safe and habitable. So just a couple of the questions that we've had coming and I thought I'd present in case we have any folks out there watching. So if I have a contract just scheduled to begin a remodel next week, can I go ahead with this project and the answer to that would be, you must defer your remodel or renovation project unless it is necessary to restore your home to a safe sanitary and habitable space and cannot reasonably be delayed. I am midway through a remodel. Can my construction project continue? Residential remodeling projects that are partly completed can continue if delaying the completion would pose a safety, security or sanitation risk to residents or impact the habitability of the residents. Otherwise, they must be deferred. And lastly, the question would be, I have a construction project that will sustain damage. If I do not continue to work on it, can I complete the project if it is not related to provisions of healthcare, housing or essential infrastructure? And the answer to that is yes, you can perform the work on the site, but only to ensure it is safe and secure while it is shut down in compliance with this order. This includes sending employees to the construction site to secure the site and ensure it does not sustain damage. You can continue construction on the project only if strictly necessary to prevent damage to the project, like completing a roof or ensuring that there's proper drainage after grading has been completed. So with that, those are the most common questions that were being asked. And again, we're looking at each permit that we have issued individually. I also wanna say that we do have quite a few building applications in the process, which we're gonna continue to process. And we'll be holding off on issuing the permit until the order is lifted. But as permits come in, we'll continue to work on them and be ready to issue them as soon as the order is lifted. So with that, that concludes my director's report and I'm happy to answer any questions. And I thank the public for their patience during this time. And Commissioner Ruth has a question. Yes. Yeah. Katie, are there any provisions for enforcement if people use their second homes, their vacation homes over here to shelter in place instead of their principal residence? There are, there's specific follow-up that the, for enforcement. So we will be- How would that be enforced? Would that be on a complaint by complaint basis? It would be on a complaint basis. Okay. All right. You're welcome. Any other questions regarding the director's report? It's not the next item, there's a commission on comments. Anyone? Let me go one by one. Commissioner Christensen? Yes, comment. Commissioner Wilk? No comment. Commissioner Welch? No comment. Commissioner Ruth? Stay safe, everyone. Okay, myself, I'd like to commend the Community Development Department and the Community Development Director for jumping down this unusual circumstance and getting us ramped up so quickly. And so efficiently, it really took a lot of efforts and paid off, so thank you. You're welcome. And with that, we will probably be doing this again at the next meeting in May. So we'll adjourn until then. Thank you. Thank you, take care. Goodbye.


Ooh, that's cutthroat, baby. Just literally after one year, after everything that went into his market and people trying to trade for him and the Titans finally acquiring him and then his season being a little shaky. Titans are like, you know what, we're straight, we're good. Thanks for everything you did, but yeah, we moving off of you. And the Titans released Julio Jones. That is crazy, man. But then when you think about, like, initially when I saw it, it was like, oh yeah, that's crazy, that's wild, wow. They released Julio Jones, but then you think about the season that he had and it was very underwhelming. And it was like, oh, okay, it's not so crazy. And I guess the Titans were like, hey, we tried it. We went for it, it was a nice little one-two punch. Well, we were hoping it would be that with AJ Brown and Julio Jones, but Justin ended up working out. And I respect them for that because what did they give up? Like a second or third round? I think it was a second round. But whatever they gave up, I respect them for, they gave it up. They gave up the draft pick. Obviously paid Julio Jones this year and they were like, you know what, it's not working. So we're not gonna waste any more time. We're not gonna waste any more of your time, but more importantly, we're not gonna waste any more of our time. As a franchise at the wide receiver position, we just feel like, yeah, nah, we're good. So they let him go. Julio Jones, he'll still have a market. It's definitely not gonna be what it once was before. And wherever Julio ends up landing, that team cannot put all of their eggs into the Julio Jones basket. If he's healthy, hey, awesome, amazing, great job, but that's been the issue recently. That's been the big problem with Julio Jones recently. It has been his health status, well, the lack of health status. So I do think wherever Julio Jones lands next, whatever team he ends up signing to next, he's still gonna play unless he decided to hang it up. But if he still does play, he'll get picked up. But I think the deal will be extremely modest and it will probably be the most humble deal that he has ever gotten, ever. And I ain't saying that like he cocky or nothing, but he used to getting all these big deals. Like this dude was a first round draft pick. This dude broke records from receiving deals, broke records from receiving on the field too. But now it's like, oh, you're not that guy anymore. We know you can still play, but you're not that guy anymore. And teams are not, I don't think teams are just gonna trust Julio Jones like they may have a couple years back. So this is gonna be fun.  And the Titans, they save 11.5 meal on the cap by cutting him. Of course, with a post June 1st designation. Now, with that being said, any dead money, I'm not sure what the dead money is on his deal, but if there is any dead money that the Titans they received from cutting him, then since they're gonna designate this as a post June 1st cut, then that dead money will be split on the cap this year and next year. So any post June 1st cut, that's usually why they do post June 1st so they can split the dead money between the year that we're in right now, which is this is 2022 and then the following year 2023 as well. So just like Julio Jones is when it comes to being with the Titans, I'm out.


Live from the Sands Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, extracting the signal from the noise. It's theCUBE, covering HP Discover 2015, brought to you by HP. And now your host, Dave Vellante. Welcome back to HP Discover 2015 everybody. This is theCUBE, we go out to the events, we extract the signal from the noise, check out hpdiscover.social, it's our new digital experience, that we've overlaid on top of theCUBE for HP Discover, it's got all kinds of cool social feeds and videos and other content. Vish Malshand is here, he's a good friend of theCUBE, he's the director of product marketing at HP within the storage group. And Bruce Trevarthan is here, he's the group CEO of the cloud, public cloud service provider. Gentlemen, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you. Both of you have been on theCUBE before. So why don't we start though, Bruce, with your company, tell us a little bit about it. So the cloud is a public cloud service provider. Great name. Yeah, that cloud, well that was in early 2008, so we sort of got on the bandwagon nice and early and managed to secure the name. It's become a little generic, obviously, but it's a great term to hang our hat on. So the cloud's a public service provider in New Zealand, more recently starting to roll into Canada, with the intent of obviously providing infrastructure as a service type commodity services to the small business market in New Zealand, and again, that's pretty similar in other countries. On demand and with the zero touch, so automation is key. Great, and we'll get into that, and I really want to understand how you're using all Flash, what your thoughts are. We were just having a discussion with Craig and Bruce from Alcoa, I'm sorry, Craig and Mike from Alcoa on the All Flash Data Center. Love to get your thoughts on that. But, Vish, let me come to you. So we've been tracking this Flash journey that you guys have been on. It's been quite amazing. Yes, you need. I want to make an observation right out front. This, and I've said that, I tweeted this out. This is an example, what you have done with Flash is a really good example of organic development inside of HP. And I said it's really the first blockbuster example since EVA, and it really is. It's organic development, and you guys said we're going to do this on 3-par, we're not going to go buy an array company that's going to give us an advantage in the stack. So you've done that, it's clearly been successful, but there's been a lot that's changed since we last met. We were in Barcelona. Yes. We had the PEDLO on. So what's been new since we met last early December? Sure. So Dave, I think the initial deployers of all Flash have all had very good experiences. They've been able to get predictable performance. They've been able to lower costs in many different dimensions. And feedback has been very positive. And what I'm hearing now is they want to do more. They want to do more applications on Flash. They want to do more things on Flash, right? And so it's interesting how close are we to that all Flash data center tipping point? I know there's been some in the community that have talked about this. It's clearly on the leading edge, right? But I don't think it's that far away if people start to move more and more applications and start thinking about how they deploy the Flash. David Flores says we're a year and a half away from the tipping point. Yeah, I know. I'm at a much standpoint, which is he's the only guy saying that, but I like it. I like the conversation. It's a good conversation starter. What do you think, Bruce? As far as tipping points concerned, I'm probably more inclined to think that it's going to be a transition. We're using all Flash arrays now, three HP, three power, all Flash arrays. And the key element there is performance, but you're always going to have data that is not being used, is not in flight, is not really accessed on a regular basis. So to put that on SSD seems a little overkill. But, and right now today, the price point is not there to compete with Neoline. If it's cheaper. If it's cheaper. You would put it there, if you would. You would. Unless more of a transition around pricing. Let's tape actually transforms again, right? I keep saying Flap. Flap is an interesting idea to say. It needs some development. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But I mean, you know, Dave, the way I think about the all Flash data center is, okay, let's tape is not dead, disk is not dead. I don't think it'll be dead. The question becomes, where's the center of deployment? Where's the center of innovation? Where's the lion's share of spend? In, and that's what I think the old Flash. And there's no question. Yeah, right? Where that, that the market's rotating very rapidly. And I think, let's now talk about, you know, if we look at some analogies, right? Uber, Airbnb, Twitter, okay? Those platforms all grew on the fact that the internet was ubiquitous, right? Ubiquitous on phones, ubiquitous at home, ubiquitous on the PC. So here's the question. If Flash becomes somewhat ubiquitous in the data center, then what does that baseline infrastructure enable as capability, right? What use cases, right? One that I know Dave Floyd talked about, which I thought is getting a lot of interesting play here to discover is this use case of baking copies, the data. Data sharing, yeah? And then, you know, keeping the same copy on the same, oh sorry, keeping the copy in the same array and using snapshots and using a fraction of the capacity, right? And so that dollar per 50 gig Flash that you buy today, if you can make six copies and share it on the same device, are you down to cents per gig now?  Well, it does. That becomes very compelling, right? You know, we touched on tape before, tape's always going to have a place. You look at that going out to LTO 10, you're not going to compete with tape for a long term. From a cost standpoint, no way. But look, if you can get Flash down to that kind of price point, then that'll kill an airline as well and then we're done, right? Then there's less spinning disk. And of course, disk is not a, it's a moving target, but Flash prices are coming down faster than spinning disk. Yeah. So we think it's just a matter of time. It's just a matter of time. So how are you using Flash in your data centers?  Now, as Vish just mentioned, if you've got the performance available, then it opens the door to do a whole bunch of things that you never really thought of. You need six copies of something and you typically keep them on different sands because of the performance impact. Well, now you can keep them on one sand because the performance impact is not theirs, it's not a concern. And because they're on one sand, you can leverage things like D-Jube, Snapshotting, all sorts of technologies that you couldn't if they were separated physically. For us, around the performance reason for going all Flash, and we're seeing a lot of customers placing bigger and bigger demands on us as a service provider that we could not actually accommodate under a spinning disk. We had a combination of spinning disk and some SSD historically, using that to augment the spinning disk and adaptive optimization sort of concept. And we still could not meet the demands of the heavy spikes that we were seeing from some users, particularly some of our users in the big data space.  And so to cope with that, it takes me back to the pre-virtualization space where you're having to build out for something you do once a week. Why do that, right? So with all Flash, we can now accommodate these massive spikes and deliver on promise, right? So we can make big promises and to back them up with an all Flash environment and deliver on that promise. So what about, I'm curious as to whether or not you're able to monetize that infrastructure from a quality of service standpoint. Are you able to deliver a guaranteed level of quality of service to users and charge them for that, for example? We absolutely can. So I know another technology that's not brand new, but another great technology of HP3 Power is performance optimization. And obviously with the QoAce elements in there, we can guarantee IOPS per customer and deliver that out and guarantee that they will get the performance that they expect when they need it. Are we at the point where you can provision capacity, provision IOPS, maybe even bandwidth programmatically? Yeah, so exactly, Dave. I think going back to that copy use case, so let's say you have production and you have test dev, and let's say you had some analytics run. Let's just say three copies, right? And traditional wisdom is to keep them separate. But let's say you put them on one array now and you put God rails, right? You said, okay, test dev gets 30%, no more. Analytics gets 20%, production gets 50%. Now, maybe production's running at 30%, you give it a 20% room to spike. And now you have the protection that none of these other workloads can overrun production, right? So it's the combination of all flash, scalable performance, and then priority optimization software to give you those rails, right, and comforts. And then if you want to do that programmatically, you know, we actually announced priority optimization controls within OpenStack. Right, and so you can actually program it through OpenStack or REST API that we have available in the array as well. Are you using OpenStack or? We have installed OpenStack in our lab environment. We're definitely staying close to it. We don't have it in production yet. What do you have in production? Our environment, I'm glad you asked. Our environment, actually, with the provision I was talking about this earlier, our environment from a smart point of view, from a zero touch customer interface point of view is completely homegrown, completely custom built. And we just launched our third version of that, which we've been refining over the last eight years, which provides customers the ability to deploy servers on any of our locations in four minutes or less themselves at any time of day. And we've recently just included the support for multi-tiering or split tiering per VM, which is a key thing that the all flash arrays allow us to achieve, because now we can cut up the performance tiers and sell them at a different price point. And the best use case I can think of right now as a customer with a SQL server, they might want to pay sort of the middle of the road disk type prices for their OS volume, they want the highest possible performance for their log volume, and then whatever they can afford for the scale out requirements of their data volume. That's three different tiers of disk in one VM, rather than trying to stick it all on SSD and pay to put your data at rest on SSD and whatever. So you get granularity out of the infrastructure and you're able to monetize that. We can. More granularity can get the better. Can you set floors and ceilings? Quality of service or is it? You have to talk to the operations guys, about the actual technical detail on how that's done, but I think it's pretty smart tech. Let me ask you a question there Dave, if you don't mind about Bruce.  So are there some separate arrays or? So historically we were dealing with the whole multiple offerings of storage out of our environments by augmenting near line and SAS for the low end and augmenting SAS and SSD for the upper ends using adaptive optimization. But there was still a limit to that because we're dealing with spinning disk. The introduction of all flashes meant that we now use the priority optimization, performance optimization technologies to actually govern the IOPS, knowing full well that we have an abundance of them. And so we're no longer limited by the actual physical capabilities of a disk. When did you first install All Flasher A? The All Flasher A was installed in October 2014. End of last year. 2014, so prior to 2014, 100% of your primary storage spend was on either spinning or maybe hybrid. It was hybrid. Yeah, so we were running three piles with a mixture of near line SAS and SSD. Okay, so 0% at that time was All Flash. Great. What would you say, look out 24 months from now. What percent of your spend do you think will be All Flash versus sort of hybrid? It's pretty easy to answer that because we have a very prescriptive build and so we know exactly what our stack looks like. So from a ratio point of view, we would be spending three quarters of our storage budget on flash and 25% on near line. So we're no longer by spinning disk at the middle SAS disk. So three quarters of your spend by 2017 will be All Flash. IDC numbers say, and I saw this at a recent conference, that 17% of the revenue for the entire storage market will be All Flash. And that struck me as conservative. Yeah. What are you guys, how do you guys see the market? I mean, you know, other guys do the forecast, I know, but I know every forecast is wrong. It's always hard to forecast things like this, right? I think from my observation, Dave, I think the forecasts have been a little conservative. I think it's gone beyond everybody's wildest expectations. It's exceeded everybody's expectations, right? They had a pretty aggressive forecast, but it's even exceeded that now, right? So that's really a big groundswell and a lot of momentum building on itself. Has the uptick surprised you? You know, it has, it has, it absolutely has in terms of how aggressive it's been and how it's sort of feeding upon itself, right? These things, in our experience, go on an S-curve, O-Gyve, O-Gyve curve, when you get the steep part of the S-curve, you know. Inside the tornado. Yeah, the return is so much greater than the effort and then, boom, it just takes off. And a lot of times the market, I've done a lot. So I've committed this crime because you get these straight-line forecasts. Yes.  Oh, right, right. You go like that. It's hard to predict sometimes, but we think that we are on the cusp of that real steep part of the S-curve. And I think, Bruce, you're seeing that too. We are, absolutely. I think one thing that's going to play into when this is actually going to hit this tipping point is obviously the refresh cycles, right? Because you put in a sand, you've got 36 months until you need to refresh that or 34 months until you need to refresh that. So we will be replacing all of our environments with front and center flash as they refresh. Our next refresh is August and then not until next year. So it will take a couple of years for us to be 100% across all our sites. Yeah, Bruce, that reminds me of a customer I spoke to this morning, Dave. And he said that, look, we have multiple arrays and now we do attack refresh every year because every year, one or two arrays will come off Lee so we'll be ready for refresh, right? So he says we're on a continuous refresh cycle for the next five years, right? And every time we do that, we are evaluating all flash. And he says interestingly enough, we did one set of purchases. The next set of purchases are so much lower because the technologies are going up, prices are coming down. Are you primarily an HP shop? So yeah, we're World of War HP on all of our environments with the exception of some of the networking and firewalling elements. So did you not look at competitive all flash arrays? We have, we've certainly spoken to a number of competitors in the market and we have actually had in the lab environment some competitors sans for child purposes. It's interesting, you know, when you compare that and having talked to the operations team around the experience, right from getting it out of the box to running it up, it just never compares with what we've had over the last five years with 3PAR. You know, 3PAR is the gold standard for standing up infrastructure. I mean, that's always been the claim to fame there. Okay, so I don't even have to ask you why HP you pretty much just answered it but I want to ask you about the stack. So one of the advantages that we've always talked about with HP is that you didn't choose to go buy an all flash array startup. Sure. That didn't have a hardened stack. You're building on top of 3PAR now. A lot of your competitors at the time would say, oh, that's a bolt on. Well, that's kind of what you guys used to say about thin provisioning that was bolted on. So. Well, others are right, yeah. But you always said we used to have David Scott and he said, no, no, you don't understand. The architecture is such that, and who knows?  It appears that the architecture was very able to accommodate that, you know, no question. So how important is that stack to you as a customer? That robust full set of storage services? Basically the fundamental reason for our success I would argue, if you think about the need to put in an environment and a hand on heart and know that everything's going to interoperate well and cohesively and that the vendor is going to give you end to end support across that entire ecosystem and outside that ecosystem in terms of your overall roadmap. That is the success of my business is their partnership with HP. Yeah, now, what are you hearing in the field in terms of how much of a differentiator that is? Oh, that is a huge, huge factor from many customers, right? The fact that it's one version of the same feature set, same operating system across their different infrastructures. Yeah, big, big factor. The fact that they can buy different size, flash arrays, another big factor. We're also hearing from our customers that they go all flash that after a year and a half they'll say, look, we may have a use case for spinning. They want to add spinning to it as a tier. They have that option as well, right? And... That happened to us exactly, right? So we went all flash in one of our facilities obviously at the end of 2014, 100%. The only spinning disk was the backup stores, right? So there was no production spinning disk at all in that environment. And we did that because the price point on flash had gotten to the level where even at one-to-ones and no D-Drup, it worked for our business model. We did not have to change our go-to-market pricing at all, so it was a no-brainer. We got some D-Drup, so that's a nice win for us and the overall scalability. But as we got, you know, sort of up in the 70, 80% utilization on the sand quicker than we expected, we suddenly thought, well, actually, let's take a look at what's been stored here and we found there was a huge amount of data at rest. You know, we've got customers with three and four terabyte file servers and they access maybe 10 or 20% of those files in any given month. So for us, it was a no-brainer then to then think about spinning disk still has a play right now. And so we all meant to be going. Unless the CapEx crosses over, then... Right, and we'll get there. We'll get there, but as you say, that could be 18 months to two years. So you're using data reduction, D-Drup. We are, and then you'll flasher it. And what are you seeing for results? Yeah, we're seeing sort of in the 1.5 to 1.8 range, depending on the CPG, depending on the workload. Bear in mind, we're a service provider, so it's a very mixed workload. We have no idea what customers are going to do on any given day, what they're going to upload or what they're going to change. So we're still working with that. It's only been sort of nine months on the environment and there's a lot of tuning that can be done. We've measured the install base, Dave. We are seeing, on average, two to one across the install base. And we are seeing cases where clearly VDI is one where you get good three to one, four to one, five to one, sometimes even higher, depending on the workload. Interestingly enough, there is also a lot of zero data that shows up. That continues to show up. So even in VDI environments, but yeah. And that's part of the two to one. On average, two to one, yes, but in cases in VDI where it's higher than two to one, like three or four to one. Yeah, that's part of it. And I think calling it out separately from the D-loop. So you're talking about three to four dollars, gigabyte raw, and then you're getting that down. You're cutting that. Well, at $2 a gig, usable. We were at about six and a half, seven raw. Yeah, okay. We're bringing that down now. We're at $1.50 usable, right? And we've seen some customers going up to 10 to one. I'm doing VDI. Do you have tools to help them predict like you did with thin provisioning? Yes, we actually have tools that let them take a thin provision volume, for example, and run some D-loop analysis and says, okay, how much duplicate data do I have in this volume, right? Especially if they're running on a spinning array and moving to flash. Then we can say, okay, here's how much of a use case you have a duplicate data and how it can justify your spend. And you have a hero report at the back end? Like you used to. So we still do that. The telemetry data that comes back and the aggregate data, the two to one measure I gave you was aggregate telemetry data. We should let Foyer whack at some of that data. It's all metadata, right? It's no customer information. We keep all the customer specific things out. It's just generalized data. Love to take a look at that and see because you're getting there where you have enough data now to start analyzing that. Well, you know, one thing that's very interesting, Dave, we looked at the size of the blocks, the IO blocks, and the amount of data transferred. And, you know, it's interesting that 20% of the IO's above 16K generate about 80% of the bytes transferred. Okay, and so all that D-loop benefit comes in that large bytes transferred, right? So it's actually validated our 16K design as the right sweet spot for D-loop in the array. All right, we're out of time, but Bruce, I'll give you the last word. Talk about cloud.  What's ahead for us? So, rolling across Canada, you know, Canada's interesting. Segmentation-wise, it's identical to New Zealand, so we can just do what we're doing well, replicate it in a much bigger market and scale up and use that growth to keep doing things, innovating and keep doing things better. It's great. Well, thanks for coming into theCUBE and sharing your story. Vish, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for having us. 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