Alright. It's been a busy few months since Elite Dangerous reintroduced community goals and the Galnet in-game news feed. This week, Rene and I caught up with the lead community manager for Elite Dangerous, Arthur Tolmey, to chew over Galnet's rebirth, the next generation of community goals, the Halloween event and of course, the Channel 4 news team. So Arthur's here everybody. Welcome along Arthur. Hello, hello, hello. Hello. Thank you very much for having me on your show. Big fan, big fan. Long time listener, first time caller. It is a pleasure to have you here. Well, we really enjoyed the, well, we're really enjoying the rebirth of Galnet and community goals and all that kind of stuff and the Halloween thing in particular just absolutely blew our socks off, didn't we?  Sure, you can try. Okay. So the rebirth and Galnet of community goals was publicly announced around the start of September this year, if I remember correctly. Are you able to say what triggered the relaunch of both of those things? Was it always in the company plan to restart it at that point or is it literally a case of you saw the level of demand from the community and acted on it? Relentlessly until it happened. Yeah, this is interesting what we want. Well, I guess the answer, I mean, I joined in gym. So I joined in June of this year. I mean, this year feels like a long, feels like 10 years, but I was in this year. So when I joined, I was a fan of elite beforehand, and obviously I was aware of what Gannett was and how important it was to community and for me as a player. Also, the team, when I joined up, the first thing I did as lead was to speak to the guys and see what the real big issues were. And all of the team were like, look, we need Galnet needs to come back. We need to do some meaningful content. And that was where we started. So whether it was always a company's proposal, I can't imagine it would ever been gone forever. But I wasn't here when it was when it stopped. Did that make sense? So yeah, one of my priorities when I when I came back was to listen to the guys and like, right, how do we actually listen? How do we get this moving and what direction you want us to go in? And I fought really hard and the team worked really, really hard behind the scenes to put together and how we how we would propose it and what it would look like and what it would mean need in terms of resources, which you can imagine at a time. The business is in full swing into into odyssey development. So when you're asking for resources, always got to be a reason for it. So, you know, it wasn't just a simple switch of we're just going to press this button and get us back. And there was a lot of backwards and forwards. And I'm just really, I'm actually just really pleased that the community were so patient with us as they have been. So so yeah, I hope that answers your question. Yeah, was there a sort of was there literally like it?  Fun fact, my first actual working day was when I was being introduced to the company was the fleet carrier launch. And as you can imagine, my first day wasn't necessarily a meeting of what's the problem. My first day was a meeting of let's put this fire out. So sorry, say again in at the deep end. Yes, it was definitely the end. I think I was right. So but it's fine. Because what was great is I got to see the team in action. And like I say, they it was nice for me because I was new to the company. So I had to really take stock of like who my team are and what they're doing. And that's you all of them really cared. So I was like, this is fantastic. Because I've now got good grounds. And then I think it was the following week, we I sat them down like on an individual basis and spoke to them about, you know, their wants and concerns, etc, etc.  And I was like, Yes, I'm glad we're all on the same page here. So it's good. It was good to sit down and have everyone sort of with the same strategy before you have to sell that into them as a team. They were already on board. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for those meetings. That kind of plays into the next thing anyway. So how the the CMS actually became involved in the storyline. And what your the involvement of your team is in in those actual storylines? Yeah, sure. So when we talked about again, it goes back, I guess, to my first, the answer to the first question. When you go back and ask for resource and stuff, we have to have a long term plan. So we sat down and decided how this how these story arcs would tie in with with the content we would come into the game with what we know is coming anyways. I've got tread very carefully here. No, don't it's fine. Yeah, yeah. And of course, no, no one watches this rubbish. So we we sat down and as and we stoked out how we thought these stories would pan out and what stories would be interesting and how they would have turned into one another. And I guess we then stoked out this this grand score, a story arc. And I know there was a document and I do know what I'm going to do. I'll do it after this. I'll find it. I can't obviously show it today, but I will in 2022. Here's my promise. I will screencap today. The actual Marvel esque style. Wow. Imagely that I we put together a team that goes up to 2022. Oh, God, I'll screw I'll screencap it. And then in 2022, I'll show it just as I was online. And this is what we did. So we then wrote this all out and we're like, this is what we think should happen. Obviously the first year that you are in right now is the most detailed. And then it sort of sort of phases off because obviously, I didn't know if it gets signed off and and then be it was like, we could do all this work and they could turn and say, that's great. Go go somewhere else with it because you know, we're not doing it here. But that didn't happen. So it was it was a it was a case of mapping out and then getting Lawrence Lawrence Alden. I don't know if you know who he is, but Lawrence was he was lead designer and lead prior to Pierce, who we have now, but Lawrence is a big, big like component in this, like Lawrence was was a huge element in getting this worked in. He was a big fan of it. He wanted it to happen. He was like, look, I can make this work with a small team. And he really was really on our side. And I say it on stream, but Lawrence and his team really should take a lot of credit because although we push for him, we scoped out that a lot of guys that really made the turn the turn the key and made these things happen. So if you're listening, Lawrence loves a strong word, but I do love you feel we do for us. He's a good guy. He should get a lot of credit for it. But at the end of the day, you're the front man.  Have you got have you got any idea how long did it did it take for the whole sort of all the way through to 2022? How long did it take to get all that mapped out? Well, yeah, so that took to be fair, the parts after the first, I want to say phase, I'll say phase, I was told never to use that term, but you know, and so I actually did map out into phases. So there are four phases and I'm winning phase one at the moment of how we mapped out. And the first phase took the longest. But I would say if you were to look at man hours, I saw a hard one because it went through a lot of people, a lot of us spent time on it. I don't know, with maybe 40, 50 hours of us iterating on this, this should fit here and this should go here and this this time going there. And and obviously it's it's our overarching story, which is still going to lead room for manipulation, depending on what players do. So it's quite difficult to scrub that in. So you've got to have a story that will fit an outcome with a slightly different ending, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be honest, I'll be entirely honest. No one could ever script an entirely open ended story. So we have to have a start and an end. So I'd say it tickers about about about 50 hours. But it's probably more than that, but I'd say about 50 hours. So is there like one, you know, a story person, a specific person that sits there all day and makes this stuff up all day long? Or is it always a team? So there is there is a team, but there is a writer who will go along and actually put into like I'm definitely not a writer. But you there's Lawrence will. So we have our overarching sort of story. We know what's going to happen where and when we know what the so and so is going to be killed.  But and these are the people behind it, but then the actual wording of all the gown and stuff like that in the articles will go to an actual writer who'll write all that stuff up. Who did you say was going to get killed? Oh, yeah. So when it so if you're is there is there like a, I don't know, I want to say David, but that's too much of a cliche.  It is David. So it does literally go to David. It's 1 800. I'm not telling you. No, it's David like that. Don't get me wrong. David is incredibly, incredibly busy, but he his passion for really like it's it's it's really it's it's very cliche. Oh, yeah, you're going to say that. Look, the guy lives and breathes it created. He has a hand in everything. So it's a big decision. It goes to David as an example. Well, I'm sure we're talking later on, but the the ghost ship stuff that went to David. David was was really keen on making sure we get that right. And we don't temp with with history and law. He's basically our George Lucas. So you you would always go to him for like, can we do this? Is what we want to do is this feasible because, you know, like instantaneously whether this is right or wrong with X person would do this or it's within their character, etc, etc. So yeah, it's David. That's brilliant. And that could that's really good to know.  You're listening to this and probably crying now. I'm not through for happiness. So why round is there is the overarching story created is that so do you start at the end point that you're trying to drive to and then all the bits in between are sort of built up in reverse or always start at the beginning and then, you know, the various plot twists twist the end point. One thing I was very clear on when when we started, I was like, where do we want to be at this point? And once we establish that as I write, now we can work backwards. OK, I can't even be able to do that to say like, I know where I need to be. And I know because you know where you are. Makes sense. So yes, so I want to be here at this point. So what I need to do in the, you know, the months in between to get to this point. And that's when you can be honest that we found that creatively was was so. Not easy, but it just gave some options. You were just like, right, we could do this and at this point we need to be here because once you once you know your end point, you know where you want to be. You're like, well, realistically in the middle, we now know we should be at this stage. So therefore your first half needs to get to the middle point and then middle point gives you your end point. So it's it sounds obvious, but it really is a lot easier starting backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you going to end? Yeah. And there is actually there is actually stuff that you're obviously not looking for spoilers, but there is actually stuff that you're trying that you've got to fit. You're you're plotting to or does it or does it sit entirely on top? Yeah, I mean, layer if you don't mean. No, yeah, no, I'll be totally honest. So we were sort of development of sort of the elite dangerous as a whole is coming for the next few years. We kind of know where we want to be at what stage. So and there is obviously the option that some that might shift depending on development, etc, etc. Obviously we live in a very strange world at the moment where one remember back in the office, next minute back out the office. So it's very odd. But yes. So to answer your question, this the story, we do know what's coming in the story does kind of compliment that very, very nicely. And there are big milestones. We kind of want to make sure the story is crescendoing at those points to really emphasize it. And again, those crescendoes very much will fit with what we want to do. But I can't say too much. And I don't know like over a gig, but it is a case of we try and fit our stories and all sides with the development development team are doing. And obviously, sometimes that ebbs and flows as well with what the world is doing. So OK, OK. OK, so one thing that you've said, which I already picked up on is that everything happening right now is for a reason. We quote you. It's you've said it's for a reason. So we're assuming that Gownett stories as well that might not have had have an apparent appearance in the game currently, in particular with regards to stories like the proposed core dynamics and Lake on Spaceways Mercher. Yes, absolutely. Look, everything we're doing happens for a reason. And all the stuff that's going on. And again, I did promise I'd never spoil, so I'm not going to spoil too much. But you have the way we look at this is obviously it's a long story arc. So some of this stuff will be some of the stuff directly relates to stuff. And you can you can work it out like obviously there's the CG's that are running and I can see there's an end point here. And obviously, that the feds and the empire are having a bit of a dust of the Cold War going on between and etc. Etc. There's some obvious stuff and there's also stuff that later on down the line, you're like, oh, I understand now. Right, so you're kind of laying tracks for what's to come. So it's kind of like it's not even like it's and sometimes these articles won't be huge.  I see that's what that was the start of this. And that's okay. Okay. So it's very clever. And I'm not saying because it's my idea because it isn't my idea. This is the writer. So this is they are very clever of doing this sort of world building in terms of like it may seem like an innocuous thing. But when you look back at it, when you step back, you'll see actually, I see now that's where the and this isn't by the way, what I'm about to say now is not spoiler specific. I'm just giving examples. You go, oh, I see that's the point we got set in. And that's yeah, that was the start of it. And then you but then you see it. But right now it might just be, oh, okay. So and so is new position in this company. It doesn't mean anything to me. Okay. Okay. That's really interesting, is it? Fascinating. It's brilliant because it must be such fun to be involved in that. That must be brilliant. And also you kind of wait and waiting for the sort of almost the penny to drop in a whole community. Yeah, yeah. Everybody go. You can see your audience and that, you know, it must be nice for the writers to sort of sit back and go, well, that'd be interesting to see whether they can come that one. The hardest part, I'll be honest, is the weight because it's a long story and there's the payoffs come and they'll be great. And I get it that people are eager for it. I really do. But as I said before, there's something in this for everyone, like depending on what you're doing, what you love a leak for, there's something in these storylines that is there for everyone. So it's just you have to you have to be patient and enjoy what's coming. Like it's not, we're not doing anything in between. But like when the payoffs come, that'll be great. And I think you'll enjoy them. I hope you enjoy them. We all do. So otherwise, I'll get my coat. I mean, if no one enjoys it and it falls flat on it, so I think I think someone else will get your coat for you, to be honest. And here's the thing. It's like anything we do, we're like, I always listen. I the team always listen. We might have an idea and we might think it's the greatest thing since last break. Yeah. And we'll put it out there and the community just go, this is awful. You're terrible people. Never do this again. And we're like, OK, point taken and we move away and we learn like this. This the way I look at things is is nothing ever really fails unless you don't learn from it. Yeah. So if you learn from something, then that's fine. It's not a failure. You've still learned something and it's good. As long as we don't keep repeating things, that's fine. That's a good attitude. So the on the on the subject of things happening for a reason, the the Adam Astor storyline and we're not we're not looking for spoilers here. Was that injected into the game specifically for a reason or was that was it was it literally just it's a it's a Halloween thing? Well, two things. One, I'm very keen on having special events. I think they they galvanize the community. I think it's fun. But two, it is there for a reason does tie into the existing plot and, you know, people are out in the cul-sac doing stuff at the moment. There's stories that still continue in the cul-sac. Maybe there's a dead result with the Adam Astor turning up. And who knows what that might lead to later on down the line. And you do. But I do. Yeah. I'll say is and whilst we might have solved the fun part of that, you know, that particular story, it's not the end of of what, you know, well, I'll say anything else. I'm just saying, OK, it's it's there for a reason. Yeah. OK, so the Adam Astor storyline then that was that was that was the creepy nature of it invented because it was Halloween? Or was it just a creepy story that happened to be going on anyway? And then you thought, well, that would work if we slotted in over the top of Halloween. Do you see what I mean? Yeah, no, it's a good question. And I think I'm going to be totally honest. The story was there. We it just fits perfectly. So but I did ask for it to be a certain a certain way. And and I did ask it to be obviously because of time. Yeah, I said, yeah, we should definitely play into what this is all about and let people understand that, you know. Yes, there is there is a Thargo element, but there's also the the underside of that, which is there's a human element to that story, which is also very, very creepy, what's going on and what what sort stuff is happening out there and has been happening for a very, very long time. That's the point I was surprised. No one picked up on straight away was the date of the events that were taking place. Well, we kind of did, but didn't like one. I suppose weren't surprised. If you see what I mean, but like we kind of went, oh, OK, I see what what actually don't don't don't feel that you need to answer this as a point at all. But the thing I suppose that that we because my God, there are a lot of discussions in this house, mate, about what all that meant and what that little and why why is that rock placed like that?  That there's a right. So there's a comms beacon in the middle of that. This is this is completely nothing to do with what I was going to ask you. There's a comms beacon in the middle of the in the middle of the base, the new base at the geological site out and out in the cul-sac. And it's got a blinking light on it.  We we videoed that blinking light in two different states. So the state that it was before you interfaced with it and the state it was in after you interfaced with it. And we and we ran it through more code readers to work out. We had the we had the discord looking. Our whole discord was going, I think I can see an F and all this life like God's sakes. Oh, it was you were completely obsessed. Rea was completely obsessed. I was I was thinking clues everywhere. Yeah, for me. Thanks, I know you're welcome. For me, the the and I said this, I think on the on the night stream before we the whole internet went down in the office was fantastic. I did say on the on the stream, one thing was a good learning process for me was how fast how we how smart our community are. They were quick. They were not. The community are when they're a collective, like when they work together on something, it's incredible. Yeah, they're like the ball got fantastic for me because now I can go away and be like, I have these really crazy elaborate sort of plans. And I was like, maybe it's a bit too complex. After the Adam Aster, I'm like, not a chance. Yeah, these are both both barrels what the community needs. So I'm expecting we do stuff that it be harder. It won't be as in your face as as as the last time there'd be way more subtle. I think it was so good to see the community feeling. We loved it and we absolutely loved it for me being a fairly new, new player as such that the feeling of community that came out of that event was just stupendous. It was just amazing that, you know, all over many multiple discourse, everybody was chattering, everybody was decoding, everybody was just brilliant, just brilliant. It's the best of the community out. I thought it really did. And the thing is, it's when the community team and I see the players react. It's such a boon for us. That was a brilliant idea. Yeah, it gives you it's so hard to explain like how it feels when people say nice things about what we're doing, because you work so hard for it and you really hope it does pan out. And there's always that big fear of, is it enough? You know, you don't want to let people down. It really is that really is the freedom we have is that we don't really let the community down. So it's nice when it pays off. So we want to do more of it and it was nice because it was reflected in, you know, game stats showed everything. But I just it was amazing as soon as people knew the system, just watching the traffic, just all just swarming to the system. And I was just like, this is amazing to see a community just react like a living, breathing. That must be fantastic. And just moving as one. It was amazing. Nice for you guys. Really nice for you guys. Well deserved. The point, sorry, the point that I didn't because it got all lost in there. The thing that we that we spent hours pouring over in this house as well and discussing was I can't remember the guy's name, but the one who was left staring at the stones at the end and was he he appeared he was under he he appeared to be under their influence or hypnotised or I don't know that's what we were like. OK, so we contacted the Thargoids a lot earlier than we thought we did. Gotcha. But what's going on with that guy? That's that's that's what we poured over. Dominic Cooper. I'm going to I'm going to listen to your answer very carefully now. Is there anything you'd like to add about that at all? Dominic Cooper. Yeah. Not a lot I can add about that, but that's to say it's a very interesting piece of law, right? OK. That they not just he was affected. There was a lot of people that think yes, yes, yes. They were attitude around the base. Now, I'm not saying that that's linked to anything in particular. I'm just saying it's very interesting that these sort of things happened. OK. Who knows? I mean, you have to look at the time frame between that incident and where we are right now in the universe. There's some time has passed between there and then. So it's interesting to see that, you know, we have encountered the Thargoids. Yes, probably before we knew we've encountered the Thargoids, which is always fun. I can see the string being attached. Yeah. You hear it. Hind in. So. The event from the outside obviously looked like it required a fair amount of input from right across the team coordinating the voice talent, which I just have to say was amazing, wasn't it? Voice talent. Yes. Superb. New in-game assets, additions to the law. How long ago was that story put together?  Because you've got a lot of feeds all coming into that. So it was from the pitch meeting, really, when we were talking about our story arc. So it was straight from the beginning. And I'll be honest that story, you know, as a bit inside that changed probably twice. It was always the same we had the same end point, but how we got there was changed sort of twice in between. But yeah, it took a lot of effort.  The writer, the acting talent, secure budget for it because it's, you know, you can't just, we don't just have actors on standby. So we have to hire them in, then we have to pay for them and we have to justify that cost. So there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. That it's, it's, it's not like you say it really isn't just as simple as I would just do this thing and we're add it in. OK, a lot of planning. How did the anchorman thing come about? Oh, my God, best thing ever. And so. So we were talking about Halloween and I asked sort of what frontier does the Halloween. They said, we have like hard streams. We do anti-dress, etc., etc., etc. And I was like, well, you know what, let's just, let's just do something. So we, I mean, again, we have our original idea was and it just didn't feel right. I can't remember what it was. We were doing something and kind of what our plan was. It was to be, oh, that was it. We were going to do a riff on Star Trek and we're all going to be roles in a ship and we're going to go out and do stuff and we were never really as a group, we were just like, it just doesn't, it just doesn't feel like right. And I was like, look, if it doesn't feel right, let's just not do it because it will just come across as really bad. And I can't remember who suggested it. And I probably was me because I am a big fan of actually. And I think someone said a news article and I was like, well, let's do it like and command. And we did it in, we did it in the morning, actually, we did that whole skit on the morning of when we went out. And when we filmed it, we cut it all together. And when we thought it was funny, we were watching it. We were laughing back. And a lot of people said, this, this won't be allowed. So I was like, probably not. Let's just put it out anyway. Oh, wow. So I put it out and I'll be honest, I'm very lucky man that the community reacted the way they did because it was that we had we had a lot of good feedback on that. We absolutely loved it. Absolutely. We couldn't believe it because we were sitting there because I love Ankerman. I love Ankerman. We slightly less enthusiastic about my love for Ankerman. Yep. But like brick brick. I've got, well, you probably know I've got a brick tamlin doll. That's how much I love Ankerman.  He was well, yeah. He's found his role in the nation. He was very, very funny. It was it was great as well, like just to watch him do it because like that was only like his second take. And he was just like, let's do it this way. And we just like, that's perfect.  It was just it was a lot of fun. And you know, it's good when you're laughing when you're making it. So we were like, if we're laughing when we're making it, then at least someone's going to laugh when we show it. Completely. The temptation when you're giving all your answers there about the Ankerman thing, by the way, to go. I don't believe you is overwhelming, but I won't because I'm better than that. You're a better man than that. I'm a better man than that. Well, you're not, but we'll just pretend that. Is there anything else you want to add while we've got your attention? Yes. It's not what I had. I just want to say thank you really to yourselves for doing the content to everyone that listens to to just keep doing what you're doing. Whenever I watch content, whether it's good or bad, people criticising or not, I go, welcome it. We all welcome it. It's it makes the game what it is. We the game wouldn't be going as it was.  And they you guys really care and we care and it makes and honestly, it makes my job so much easier. I've reached out to plans who put criticising content out and said, look, we're happy with this. And I've reached out and said, look, thank you for giving me this. It makes actually makes my job easier because I can go away and I can give, you know, evidence of community feedback and stuff. But I just want to thank everyone really for sticking with us. And it's a great time to be an elite player. Some really cool stuff coming. A lot of fun stories only just started really. A lot of stuff that's coming down the line and some stuff that we're working on that hopefully will blow people's minds. So yeah, I think we'd probably echo that back at you. Actually, we we we we we love what I won't pretend for one moment to speak for the rest of the community. But just from what we get from our discord and how this household of as a little microcosm of elite players because we're all elite players in here. It's not healthy. Honestly, we've got an unhealthy amount of accounts. We've got an unhealthy amount of accounts. I think we'd echo that back at you. We love what you've managed to do since you've come in and then the way you've kind of rallied the team together and the lads behind you. And yeah, it really feels like there's direction at the moment. Galnet is a good team is I loved Galnet. But I prefer Galnet now. It's it's fantastic. And I love all the CG's tying in and the story and the fact that it's going somewhere and that we're just love what you're doing at the moment. Please do more of it. Thank you very much. Yes, we appreciate it. Thank you. It's really, really kind. And again, just to reiterate, like I it's thank you for inviting me on. And I actually have time for all the guys. But the team is the team.  They work tirelessly behind the scenes to get this stuff done. I simply couldn't do it. You know, it's great for me to to go and pitch stuff. But I couldn't picture about their work and they their work is they actually care. So without them putting the effort in, I couldn't do what I do. Great stuff. Who lost to the whole gang? Please give our love to the rest of the team, won't you? Yes, absolutely. We'll do. Not Guarido, though. Screw that guy.  Yeah, he is. It's out there now, isn't it? All right, thank you very much. Arthur, always a pleasure, mate. So that's it. Hope you enjoyed our brief chat. I just want to extend our thanks to Arthur again for giving us some of his valuable time in what I know is a hectic schedule for them at the moment. We'll be back later this week with more stuff. See you then.


assistant professor, electronics and telecommission engineering, Walton Institute of Technology, Singapore. Today, we will discuss X.25 Network, and this is in continuation with the previous lecture. Learning outcome, at the end of this session, students will be able to describe key features of X.25. Contents, in the following slides, we will consider frame format, packet format and multiplexing in X.25. Now, let us discuss X.25 frame format first. This is figure one which shows the X.25 frame format, wherein the user data and at packet layer of X.25, a layer three header is attached and in the link layer, LabB header and LabB trailer is attached to this information. This is what the format of the X.25 frame. At the beginning, there is a flag and also at the end there is a flag. In addition to that, address of source and destination is added. Then, some control information is added to perform flow and error control of the frames. Then, this is what the information presents. And in the information, there are different data, that is, i stands for user data, s is empty in case of X.25 and u for control data. The control data is necessary for controlling flow of information, which is used in an in-band signal. The address, as we discussed, there are only two addresses in X.25 because it is a point-to-point communication, address of the source and address of the destination. For example, here 8-bit address 01 is a command issued by the DTE and responds to it. As we know in X.25, DTE wants to communicate with other DTE with the help of X.25 network, which consists of DCs. So, the DC address 03 is a command issued by the DC and responds to it. Since it is a point-to-point communication, the communication is established between two DTEs and the data is transferred. Now, let us go to the packet format of X.25. These packets are broadly divided into two categories, that is, data packets and control packets. Control packets are also broadly divided into two categories. One is RR, RNR, REG packets, which are used for error and flow control. And the other packets are also needed in X.25 for signaling. So, here data packet is used to send user data, whereas control packet is used to perform flow and error control. Here the question, which packet type is used for flow and error control in X.25? You pause the video and answer the question. You might have thought over the question. And the answer is, error and flow control is done with the control packets. Now, let us see in detail X.25 packet format how the error control is done. Here flow and error control can be done with the help of packets like RR, which stands for receive request, RNR stands for receive not request and REG stands for reject packets. Then other packets are also necessary for in-band signaling. Here we can see flow and error control is done by using these control packets, RR, RNR and REG, whereas other packets are used for in-band signaling. Here flow control is done by using sliding windy protocol and error control is done by using go back end protocol. Some additional information specific to that packet may be added to the packet as shown in this figure 4. And there are two formats for sending this information. One is a 3 byte format and another is a 4 byte format. For example, here this is a 3 byte format which consists of 3 bytes. This is a 1st byte, 2nd byte and this is 3rd byte. So, these 3 bytes corresponds to data packet and this 1 byte, 2nd byte and 3rd byte. This corresponds to control packet and these 3 bytes, 1, 2 and 3, corresponds to these control packets named as RR, RNR and REG. Here we have different bits, Q bit, D bit. Then there is a group channel, here group is 4 bit and channel is 8 bit. Then PR, PS, these are used for acknowledgement between DTE and DC. There is also M bit. So, we will see what is the function of these bits in next slide. This is another format that is 4 byte format. Here this is a 1st byte, 2nd byte, 3rd byte and 4th byte. These 4 bytes corresponds to data packet, these 4 bytes corresponds to control packet and these 4 bytes corresponds to RR, RNR and REG packets. So, this is a 4 byte format. Here also the group is 4 bit, channel is 8 bit. So, total 12 bits local channel number we can create. Now we will see the function of these bits. Q bit is not used in context of x dot 25. Here D bit is when D is 0, then it is flow and error control between DCE and DTE. So, it is a local communication or it is to control the error between DC and DTE. And when D equal to 1, then it is used for N to N flow and error control. So, when D is equal to 1, then flow control and error control is done between 2 DTEs. As we seen 12 bit number of group and channel also called LCN. PR, PS are used for acknowledgement and flow control and M bit is corresponds to also the communication between either DTE, DC or DTE, DTE. So, this way we can have different control signals. Now let us go to the another important feature of x dot 25 that is multiplexing. Over the single DTE, DC link as we already seen with the help of 12 bits in the packet. There are 12 bits for forming the local channel number 4 from group and 8 from the channel. So, total 4095 virtual circuits can be created which are used for multiplexing the channel. As this x dot 25 speed limit is only 64 kilobits which is very low in context of today's data transfer. That is why we shall discuss about faster packet switching network in the next lecture. References, data communication by Professor Ajit Pal, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur and the contents I have taken from NPTEL lecture number 24 on x dot 25 and frame relay. The link of the same is given here. You can go for further details. Thank you very much.


My name is Beth Brady. I'm the principal of Rodriguez Elementary School. Today we're celebrating the school closure, essentially. It's our grand fiesta farewell. Every year at this time around Cinco de Mayo, we have a festival to celebrate, and it's all free and open to our families. Essentially, we do this because the community is probably seated in the lowest socioeconomic zip code in the entire Bear County. We probably ranked third in terms of, actually not third, but first in terms of child abuse for the last three years. So it's a very impoverished area. And so everything we do here is free for our families because we want them to have the same opportunity to celebrate as everybody else in the world at fiesta time. How we got here, essentially, is this is my fourth year as a principal starting. I came in when the school was IR year two. Improvement required is what IR stands for. Every year, since I've been here, the school has made huge gains. Last year in science, the children went from 23% to 64%. This year, we're already being moving in the right direction. We got our first round of fifth grade scores. And already, we've seen increases in achievement. We're already seated for reading with a progress score of an A. I know the district, excuse me, the district and the state are going through a new ABCDF accountability system. And so we're already sitting at an A right now in fifth grade in reading and also in mathematics. So it's looking really good this year that we are going to get out of improvement required. Unfortunately, the school is going to be closed and it will be repurposed and be used again by the school district. But it's very sad because generations of families have gone to this school. And so throughout the course of the year, we've tried to do a lot of activities to really get families, give them the opportunity and their children the opportunity to kind of grieve because in the beginning, there was a lot of sadness and everybody goes through those stages of grief and sorrow and all that. So today we're celebrating the happy end of it. We're looking at all the successes and the kids are here to have a good time. And that's kind of what the whole fiesta farewell is about. There's a lot of little ins and odds about the school but the biggest part is that when you walk into these doors, the data clerk and the assistant principal, the principal, even though they don't have your student in class, they know them by name. They know them by name, by grade, and they know even you walking in, like me walking into campus, they know, oh, you're Samantha's mom, you're Xavier's mom and there was no other questions about it. Like I never had to introduce myself. It's never like the first day of school. So it was really family oriented. When you walked in, everybody knew you.  The teachers here have worked extremely hard. There's not one teacher in this building that couldn't go to any other school and be a top teacher. Some of the teachers that I have here, I have the element, the district, San Antonio Independent School District, teacher of the year at my campus. We're so proud of our instructors here, our practitioners. Not only are they academically sound because of the professional development that we've gone through, but they're also extremely cooperative and collaborative. They stand on each other's shoulders to make things wonderful for the children in the community here. I also last year had the San Antonio Independent School District Rising Star. That's a first year teacher that rises through the ranks of every first year teacher in the district and is awarded the Rising Star teacher of the year. So we're hopeful, the Rising Star for this year is coming around, so we're hopeful that our Rising Star will get that as well. We have a wonderful partnership with Our Lady of the Lake University where teachers, academic interns are actually apprenticing here the entire school year from the beginning of the year to the end of the year with real master teachers so that they can really get the sense of what it is to be a teacher in inner city school. That's been a fantastic partnership that we've shared. We've also shared with Our Lady of the Lake's mother partnerships that have helped us dramatically as well, such as the speech and language pathology department they've come in and they've helped our students with oral language and they've assessed them and they're really helping us in the early childhood area. And also, we have a great social work partnership with Our Lady of the Lake because our area, we really do have a look for social work interaction here because of some of the deficits that our children have that they face with poverty and other things. Many of our families, many of them are immigrants. They just want what's best for their children and they have to overcome extreme obstacles just so that their children can be dreamers and reach out and have the American dream. So that's what we're really working on. I know that we're considered improvement-required but every school is improvement-required as far as that's concerned. We had a May meeting at our high school linear and he addressed our campus saying that we had a great partnership with Our Lady of the Lake so to him it didn't mean that we needed another partnership to keep the school open because he had all faith in us that the school would stay open. And he did tell a couple, a handful of our second graders that if they got their second grade class on board for third grade to pass the start test that there was no option to even close the school at all. Once Superintendent Martinez told him that him and his friends rallied all of their friends even his best friend which is a straight D student he's a straight A student this year. They gathered behind everybody and they ended up like right now they're blowing the practice test out of the water. So if he would keep his promise and let the third graders that were second graders last year beat the test they would blow it out of the water because we only missed it by 1.6 points but the point is that he told our second graders do your best and you won't close the school but he never gave them an option to even succeed. So a lot of our third graders are like we could opt out for this test but knowing that they have a choice to opt out and stay in the test they're choosing to stay in the test all of them because they want to prove a point to him and to everybody else that they could do it if they would have had the chance they would do it. And these are third graders, they're 8, 9, 10 year olds. They told us a week before school started when we got to meet the teacher on August 13th. So was that in a meeting here? No it wasn't even actually a meeting it was a flower they handed out to each parent while they brought their kids to meet the teacher. So us as walking in as oh our school's doing good you know we're not going to close even because that was the rumor last year we were going to close the meeting put that at ease that it wasn't going to close so the parents came in you know excited and to get handed a letter while you're meeting your teacher that was really disappointing because we didn't have our superintendent here we didn't have nobody here to actually tell us what was going on besides our staff and still at the end they were still up in the air of what's going on. Well what's happening with this school this year is that they have been notified that this school is going to close this is a mandate that came from the state of Texas it came from the state of Texas because there's a law that says if a school is an improvement required for five years in other words if they fail the star test five years that the state will close the school and you have to close it for a full year and then you can rebuild the school but they also have stipulations about what you can do when you try to reopen the school and we're hoping in the future in the year of 2021 that we will work with parents and community to see how the school would be reopened it might be a very different type of school but that's for a conversation with the parents the teachers here worked very hard and they were very confident that last year they would be able to get out of IR out of improvement required and not have to close down the school they were very confident the district was confident because they were confident and they had done so well the year before they made great progress but they missed it by a very small amount and our superintendent even appealed to the Education and Commission of Texas but you know no no waiver was granted and so we had to go ahead and close the school because of the mandate from the state now it's sad it's hard to take change of any kind is hard to take and here you are having your school closed down it's difficult one thing that's fortunate is that Carvajal Early Childhood Center and Rodriguez share the same geographic boundaries and so most of the students are going to go ahead and go to Carvajal where Sonia Cardenas is a wonderful principal also and it will be her first time doing the full elementary she is very experienced in early childhood now this will be an expansion for her but she is so wonderful so full of energy she is going to be fantastic and I think it might be a very surprising smooth transition smoother than people fear people have had all sorts of fears like well are we still going to get the bus service are we still going to have the computers that were supposed to come to Rodriguez we are taking care of all that and so that's what's happening at Rodriguez and then this festival today ensures like any festival has fun with it but it also has a sense of sadness because the school is closed schools are definitely about the community and that's why it hurts when a school closes that's why it's very painful that's why we all grieve because we become a family and a school closes and it shakes all that and it's very disturbing to all of us next year is going to be a hard year it's going to be a difficult year and we already kind of told the kids not a lot of our teachers are going and that's I think one of the main concerns that our students have is where are our teachers going as much as the teachers when they heard the news that the school was closing their main concern was it where is my job going to be at their main concern is where our baby is going to be at and it's neat to hear all the other grades be like where are our teachers going so it's a table turned and you can tell that the teachers care for the students so where are the teachers going they have to apply for different jobs so the district placing them finding a most certain place to place them they have to go through the whole hiring process they're still employed with the district but they have to go to the school and apply instead of just being automatically accepted so I mean that's heartbreaking because we had it for 25 years she's been here so imagine where is she going to go this is her second home they go from our small school Rodriguez to their middle school which is Rhodes and their high school in the air and they come back in full circle to our wonderful university they see everyday as they walk to school as their parents stop them off they know that they're going to end up going to the castle because we have three K to fifth graders


Let's analyze the word destructions. At first sight we are tempted to assume that destruct is the base form. But a quick look at corpora such as the British National Corpus, or Quality Assured Dictionary such as Longman's Dictionary of Contemporary English, reveals that destruct, if at all, is a highly specialized military term as in auto-destruct. So the base form must be destroy, which is of course a verb. Now the nominal affix ION is attached, and this turns the verb into a noun. Well, and if we attach the plural suffix, we still have a noun. The definition of the morphological processes is simple. Destroy is the base, the attachment of ION and derivational process, and the plural S is a case of inflection. And the morphological operations? Well, both ION and S are cases of affixation. But if we incorporate the phonological code, we can also observe a base change, where the base destroy changes to destruct. That is, we have a vocaliate change plus the addition of a consonant, similar to cases such as construe construction.


I'm very particular about what I put in my body these days. You see, I'm making this special meal for my bunny angel. He's a very picky eater and the recipe calls for a cherry on top.  Sugar ain't my boss no more.    I'd like a knuckle sandwich. Sorry, I don't eat meat. But I'm more particular than all of them. So a couple of guys don't rinse out their socks. For me, I won't even think about putting something in my body. Don't even think about it. They mustn't be disturbed. Unless it tastes good. Eat this pinecone. Well, eat it. It will amuse me. How is it? How does it taste? It's awful. I know it's a strange criteria these days. Finish it. Eat it. I hate it. Eat it. Eat it. Swallow it. But I'm a firm believer in it. For me, while eating, I have a stain. If I'm gagging it, I ain't having it. It hurts. This is for Lois. Go on. That's my motto. That's what I'm talking about. That's my code. My motto. Thanks for the morning. Motto, okay.


And Brandon, how are you? Good, good. Did you move? Yeah, I did. Quite a while, actually, last year. This is the first time I'm seeing a new space. It's probably my camera being, like, different. Like, my camera being turned, usually, like, that way. I love the Star Wars story. Yeah, I used to use my MacBook, but I got, like, a camera on my display, so it's easier. Maybe that's why it looks different. Yeah. But that's the same room when I've been for last four months, I guess. Yeah, so I'll need, like, a five minutes for update on that, on that item. Okay. Are you, is this something that you're, I know, like, Vinay Arjun created that issue.  No, I just picked up. I'm working on it because if I see, like, lots of intersection. I've been, like, talking about that score card from SSF. For a while. Yeah. It seems to be like this is what we need to start with the easiest one. Yeah, that's, we'll, we'll have some discussion around that. After we cover the main, we have one main topic today, so I'm, I'm not worried about. Yeah, yeah, so it's, it's not like, if you have time, I can give an update and ask a few questions, sir. Because I need to figure out where to find the date, some data. Okay. Since it's a short one, maybe we'll just do it and start then. Yep. Again, do it this way. Everyone, I'm going to face the link to the meeting notes and the chat. Please go in and put your name down. We'll give it a couple, couple of minutes. Andrews to see the weather's nice out for you. That's right. Oh, that's in your office, man. Is that the Vega mansion? Is that the, the West Wing? Public space. I'd wear sunglasses when he takes meetings now. That's how it is, man. I like it. It's a good move. I haven't left this basement about six months. I don't even know what some looks like. All right, so a couple of things. We'll wait a couple more minutes. Okay, so I'm going to face the link to the meeting notes again. There we go. And let's get started. So, I see we have a new scribe bot. Tim is testing a new scribe bot for us. Let's see how that works. So, before we start again, just quick reminder. This is under the adhering to the code of conduct for CNCF, so the general rules and guidelines apply. And of course, again, this meeting is recorded and will be published to you later. So today we have one main agenda item. We'll be going through some of the work that we've done for the cloud native security map, which is a branch of the cloud native security. But before that, let's go to, let's kind of do a check in. Let's see here. So, I think we have a couple updates. Tim, are you there do you want to talk a little bit about the transcription service that you're testing. Thanks Brandon. Several months back, I had heard you guys were, you know, having someone take notes and then upload it and there was a GitHub issue related. How can you simplify that. So I went back into my basement and started to evaluate how can we, you know, enable that. And so I'm now testing something that I wanted to then show back and then get feedback on and so essentially what it would do is it would do a transcription. It records the video. It allows you to search snippets of the actual transcription. You can see the screen transcription play real time. You can highlight it. And then as you if you highlight it then it can pull those highlights, believe together. So I wanted to kind of like test that out and then see what the value, you know, was is it useful to save you guys time and what the use cases were and stuff like that. Oh, this is awesome. I'm looking at it right now. Oh, are you okay cool. Yeah, I'll actually a little bit of an agenda. Okay, thanks Brandon. Yeah, so, you know, just testing it out I vetted it out on some of my own meetings but figured you guys have been the first one that kind of raised your hand. I raised your hand that said this is something that would be helpful because it did a couple of things of my understands right a it may lessen the load on a potential scribe be we may it may we may try to help automate the pushing of it from one place to either YouTube or we already have the recording and then you can just link to it automatically I need to flush out your workflows for that. At some point would like to learn a little bit more what like what's the why you record them what's the biggest pain around them what's the biggest benefit you want to get out for it for your community stuff like that so I can get beyond oh it's just transcript I want to get at the, the why like what why it matters to you guys I can really hone this down. Yeah, I think it's kind of the main two things is one like getting someone to kind of take some scribe, scribing some notes during the meeting. We used to have an issue with getting consistent scribes. Another one is actually being able to search true and find the things within like past meetings. Okay, great. Perfect use case is what I was thinking. Yeah, I think the biggest the biggest value from for me, when I go through meetings which I do not attend. It is an easy way to distill what's been happening what's important because you can just go through like one hour of reporting sometimes yeah. Okay, cool. Tim will it make Andre's jokes funnier. That's the question. Do we have that out on we've added that to the platform. If you wanted to fake it you could highlight it and then say it's funny and then vote on it I think there's a way to use comic sans that's the question. Brandon Wander may ask he direct. Okay, unfortunately, no. The real test is will will be able to parse the gibberish or not. Yeah, I mean people talking at the same time. Yeah, so actually that is interesting we, we did test the ability to do speaker identification. Does it. Well, rather than relying on AI, it actually just looks at who's physically speaking, and then pulls that track and then as the title so I think it's been pretty good about the overlapping and then speaker assignment because it's not trying to use an AI tool we looked at a bunch of ways to do with AI it just that's a very hard problem to solve. Let's run it for GPT tree to get like really distilled notes of that. Yes, yes that's another one that I'm looking at see how do we do the note the note taking solution on that is is tough but we're thinking maybe if it's people highlight stuff that might be a way to get something with a little bit higher fidelity. And if you look into the who's I think it's in the chat, maybe maybe it's only the admin can see it but I think when we add them in. This is the moderator then you can see so in real time people can actually look at this and if there's something interesting they can literally highlight the transcript. Okay yeah I think I think we have to play around with this. Cool. All right thanks everybody. All right. Let's see no updates. So I think before we jump to our main agenda item. I think either I wanted to give an update on issue 496. Yeah, I've been looking into issue 496 on a github which is project to create an automated security framework to evaluate CNCF projects. It seems like from the notes and some offline discussion. There, there is a tool already from open source security foundation called a squirt card which is basically pull all their required data and do specific checks this could be extended but I think it's at this point it's pretty comprehensive. So compared to what we can build from scratch so rather than building something it's better to reuse it. They tried to do run it basically through some number of open source repositories not CNCF related just run them and there is some public data but it. It's been updated for a while so my initial thoughts was just to kind of use it and create a pipeline, but to fit a pipeline with the data. I need to get this repository is like CNCF repositories. Any good source of this like does anybody know where to get it. I thought maybe to use I don't know cloud native security landscape, but I don't know if it has like direct links to Rappos. Have you seen the notes foundation security dashboard. Yeah, yeah I think I've seen it I don't remember if it has like links to repositories or it has a links to the project itself like I think the one I've seen has like links to projects. So I looking for something similar to that I said this, I think it was something a little bit different. A little bit different in terms of the project might have a multiple repositories right. So if you want to do this, which we want to include. And what would be the source of this data right because if you look into CNCF landscape there is like hundreds of projects, and if each of them have like few repositories it's like a few hundreds so I thought there might be data already somewhere that's pre populated. And the same like when you guys working on security related a landscape it is also links to projects, but if we can use it has a starting point for getting links to repositories that matter, then we can include it and I can just basically feed all this data and kind of experimented with the dashboards with this data but it's, it's kind of pretty interesting information in there, in terms of like, I know, 99% of not signing at all, like, nothing. And don't care much so probably can look into this data in future and see what we can improve and working with CNCF on that. So what I hear is, it's like a best practices batch app that rather than being a self assertion of sure we signed this thing or we don't sign this thing it's actually a tool that does automated checks for a rubric of security things. And yeah and provide like basically information in terms of if you don't have it what you can do to enable this using like let's say github. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting. So, I think and like the scope of everything an assessment entails. It could help alleviate part of it, but it's not going to be the entire assessment right because the focus of the audits and assessments are less. Well, we do do a number of checks of yes the project follow secure development practices but it's more about, hey, this are the set of considerations once you deploy this at runtime, depending how you set it up. No software is going to be intrinsically secure. And these are the compensating mechanisms or the compensating controls you should enable or the questions you should be asking of how this project interoperates with other things in the ecosystem. It does do anything related to audit for sure. So it does specific checks I can send a link to a to a chat. You guys can click on it. And it's basically simple things that you can derive and understand from any github repository light has nothing to do with audit it just like maybe one part of it do you follow the best security practices for for open source that's recommended. So it does one that things, but it gives a pretty good overview in terms of how their projects being run in terms of following these best practices. So it's like does not require doing manual things so I remember we had a discussion here one day about check for security policy. So like one of the tracks implemented by the tool is checking for security policy. What is signed inside that policy is completely different like this is something that needs to be reviewed by human, but at least you can use it as an easy way to understand whether there is some scene or not. Yeah, whether that's something is make sense it's much more complicated or implement automatically. It would be interesting to test of take like the security policy for the project like I presume this is going to look for like a security dot md file and the repository and some projects might have it and the governance dot md or might have it somewhere else. Yeah, so it's it's it's pretty easy to extend in terms of like what to what this tool needs to check like we can easily add like whatever checks the need on top of it but at this point I feel what they have is enough for like initial run and understanding where we are and implementing all this automation and kind of have this comprehensive view the only the only question would be like where to get data for this is it like manual still work needs to be done or something that's already exist. So if you ever come across like list of repositories for specific projects. Please go to that ticket and put it there and I'll take care of it. Yeah, the the other challenge of considering we're doing the build packs assessment right now is projects that have a spec and have a runtime implementation. Spiffy is another example, like, you're going to run this against spiffy and it's not going to pass any of the checks, because it's just standards, right. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's why I'm talking about what repositories matter like spiffy itself has like bunch of projects. And this projects a matter for for these rather than just spiffy that's just basically contains bunch of md files. Totally. Yeah, it sounds it can be useful. It'd be a matter of well, what's the, what's, how do we amass the activation energy required for either us to introduce it as a soft requirement and assessments for the TOC to ask during sandbox and take or incubation due diligence, or something that yeah becomes a mandate at a higher level. Yeah, maybe since they have also like need to collect like from the projects not just like projects usually contains bunch of repositories so maybe since you have need to collect also like what repositories are really matter from this project or not like there would be like 10 for 20 or 30 under one project but only like 5% of them really matters. Totally. It would also be good to, to help maintainers understand what is it that they get in return, other than just additional friction and having to put in this thing and take, take six store like it's it's having a lot of traction considering how relatively short time it's been since it was open sourced, but it solves a real problem, a real pain point for how to sign releases so it looks like a new project is onboarded every day, because people understand what they get out of six store and the transparency letter out of record. More than well we're bringing in more more overhead around checks and policies but it's not really alleviating any of our pain points and it's more for others. Awesome. Cameron, did you want to add something I thought I saw you wanting to say something just now. No, no. All right.  So that, you know, those are not part of this meeting can do that. And maybe, you know, probably after we get some feedback we can also lie interested, you know, we can bring this to TLC see whether they can help with this. Cool. So, make that back to the meeting notes. We have no other updates today so we're going to go straight ahead to our main agenda item. And thanks Alex for helping describe. All right, so today we wanted to give a sneak preview into the world that we've been doing with the calm native security map. To provide a little bit background for those who are not familiar with this project. This is based on the great work done with the cognitive security white paper. So, the idea the white paper is a cave. It was a way to cover the different concepts of cognitive security, and to introduce those concepts. When we were doing the white paper intentionally left it on a very high level, we didn't want to include any projects we didn't want to be have any things implementation specific. And so, one of the things that we want to do with that is to provide a document that has also a bit more of a practitioner's perspective to it.   It's very difficult for someone to go in and figure out what other projects that they need to do something. So we started off the cloud native security map. And so So this is what we have now so this we started this a while ago, a little bit was like content creation, but the idea is, you know, we have to create a website or results that people could navigate easily. So the idea is this the cognitive security map. And the idea is you could go into like different sections of it to check out, you know, what's relevant to you or can just go through the document. So the idea is, for example, if you go to distribute and say artifacts and images and sign trust and integrity. Right. So what we have here is kind of like the general concept this is from the white paper. So on top of that, what's being added to this website is one of the sub projects. So the idea is you could link to different projects which may be relevant let's say, as a practitioner you say I'll know if the men signing trust integrity. Okay, then now I can take a look at these projects which are relevant to me. And on top of that we also have these examples added to kind of illustrate, you know, what are the type of controls you want to, you want to do, you know, what may be a way that you implement that. Right. So for example, I was signed the image manifest with the trust. You want to attach metadata for the image such as a S bomb to it. And they can make policy decisions on it. So it's like more, more implementation examples of implementation steps to implement a security control. We intend to intentionally say upfront that it's not a checklist, because obviously different different organizations have different requirements. It's different, but this is kind of general guide into what what are some things that you could do. So the initial scope of this really was to to go one step further to say that okay, now I'm looking at signing trust integrity. I in the distribute stage, right, technically, whenever I perform a task like signing. I want to perform a verification on the runtime. Right. So there is also a section for example, I think it's here where it's something like that image trust and content production. The idea is that we would have some additional links over here. This is still something that not part of the initial prototype but there will have been links here to say like, okay, if you're into my thing, signing trust integrity. What are the some of the other areas that you may want to consider next or you may want to think about when you're implementing this. So, yeah, the initial goal was to have kind of like a visual map of it right so this is a initial prototype where it's kind of the sidebar. It's a more of a traditional document. So, what we are doing now is we are taking all the content that the committee has worked on, and we are putting in this website. So, and I'm going to paste it in here, so that everyone can take a look as well. But the idea is, you know, we would pop play all these things. We are all not all the content and this is final we are still reviewing it and making sure that, you know, the projects we put in there. Kind of projects with a certain quality right we don't want to put we want to make sure that, you know, some of these projects are not, you know, somebody's weekend project, for example, that isn't being made today at all. So that's what this what this document is really about. We are still developing this. We still need a bit more content. So if you hit this contribute button here, you'll see we have a list of contributors here. And there are some of the some things that we still need help on. We are still building up the site. So if you're interested in like development, you can put your comment, put a comment on this issue. As you can see, you know, things like highlight the links. So that you can still do better than the website. If not other than that we still have some gaps in content that we want to help fill. So the idea we're looking for projects examples and links because you know the general concept of all being taken from the white paper. So the way you can do that is a mountain has set this up really nicely for us is that you can just all the different topics that you see here, actually map on to a mock down power and get up. Right. So, let's say if you hit like code review here. So this is part of the website that's being deployed and then you have. This is a core review page. So if I modify something and add projects here it would show up on the website itself. So, for example, like go back here. They contribute. So I say I want to add something to on the modify. For review page. Maybe get up. So this is just quick example you just create a PR for this and say update code review. So what happens is, we will review all the changes that are being done here. And you know, once this is much in the bottle pick it up and then it will update the website automatically. So this is the quick update for the security man any comments question but looking for a lot of feedback on what are some things that we can do do better. What are some things that people want to see on the website as well. And then a quick question and this may have been answered already I only just managed to join this meeting from another meeting. We are in the project section and we are only listing out the open source projects not the commercial ones that we put in the original doc. Yeah, so right now you don't see it here but that's actually invisible commands the commercial projects. I'm still evaluating what we want to do with the commercial projects I think that is, is a little bit of a sensitive topic. I appreciate that I mean, I guess from the snake perspectives kind of a difficult one I mean like we look at that section we're looking at now right the snake CLI is open source but clearly it's got a service on the back end right. Yeah, so. I think, I think there, there, there will be room probably to have some have some projects be commercial in specific cases I think I was having conversation with with Matt plan and then he said something like, you know for availability for the dust protection for example. You're not going to find a solution which isn't commercial. Yeah. Yeah. So I think we are so in those discussions. It's not off the table. I think if we think that there is value in it. I think we should put it there. I think also, you know, a lot of a lot of these concepts also some of them translate to, you know, coffee just right so if this is something that's already ended up at the cloud. The best, the best action forward for a developer would be probably to use the cloud service instead of trying to grow their own service anyway. Matt that that is still kind of the topic of discussion right now. Yeah, so we will see where we are on that but right now we are still, we're going to put everything over first and then we're going to figure it out. And then we have to probably talk to the TLC about this as well. One sounds like the discussion to be had is whether the map is exclusively open source or not, because if it's cloud native it should be a matter of answering is this solution cloud native or not. And point it out, we can draw a distinction, put a caveat of hey, these are commercial solutions that might have some open source or are built around open source. And we can yes put like open source solutions first or like add an appendix that well helps people and shed slide of, hey, this is the software that exists that is cloud native whether it's open source or not. Yeah, I think we will have like a huge disclaimer somewhere and we don't we don't necessarily but not necessarily saying that these are like to go to commercial projects and also like the process of which these commercial projects should show up here is by basically whoever wants to come in and add at the project right I think we need to have some problems around it. As long as we have that we should be given enough information for people to make a decision. Okay. So, Yeah, one one added thought there is, if someone has a problem and they're looking for a solution. They might ask themselves well does matter to me that it's open source or not sure preferably it should be, but if I'm trying to solve for something and I'm not aware that I'd be hard. I would have to have lived under a rock not to know that snake is out there and it's great. But in case I didn't know it's like, oh, let me let me go click on this thing and I can consume it as a service. The Linux Foundation's own scanning stuff is sneaking the back end. Yeah, I think this is like a problem that also like not foundation realizes right right and that's just a reason to tell FX security thing which is like people don't necessarily have a like smaller organizations so necessarily have a way to figure out why and how they should handle the risk of open source projects. Yeah, so I mean if that is clearly defined and I'm sorry to interrupt you but if it's like basically there are the projects out there from an open source perspective that may handle the situation but then also here's commercial ones that may handle, you know, those as well. I think it's it's almost like an ala cart menu you look at and you choose the one that's going to be the best solution for you and here's the ones that are kind of on this list. But it's the hard thing is if it's just going to be a set of tools. We're not making any back to square one again. Exactly. We're not like six security should be the one saying these are the things that we think are the top three or something like that. And I know that's going to be really hard to do. Yeah, that sounds like a fun. You know that that's that's taking that fight even deeper but I hear you but at the end of the day like if we have a distinction is all I'm saying open source projects versus commercial. They have the decision to go, I where they need to at the end of the day everybody's happy I think but if we don't if we disclaimer don't have that. It's, I think it's, it's not serving the community well. The other thing when we talk about community. It's largely people who do open source and they're often just heads down maintaining their project. And they might have not used snake because they think well, we might we don't have the budget for this shirts. It's a great enterprise product but we can't afford it ourselves. I saw that snake is great for open source projects, and a lot of people don't know that hey, if you're open source. Yeah, exactly. So, um, make people aware of that. What if it's a scenario beyond the people in the community but if it's something where somebody is looking at the security map as an entry way in, you know where you know look a lot of a lot of people know what cloud native is right but there's folks that obviously are trying to get immersed in this with what this is the entry way and are we saying, you know, we have we're saying we're only going to limit it to one or the other that's, that's the thing that I'm kind of like, let's Well, I think there's an interesting point here about, you know, there's, there's probably, you know, certain certain aspects of security tooling where there may be a benefit to you paying for something right where there's a deeper. There's a, you know, because it costs, you know, it costs a vendor money to actually build up databases and stuff, you know, there's a probably a class of things like scanning Kubernetes Jamal right for common mistakes where in some ways the value that you're going to get from a commercial offering in that space is going to be very similar to the value you're going to get from open source offerings in the space right because everybody's going to come up with basically the same, the same stuff. But then there are other areas of security where you might benefit from someone having a deeper, you know, and I'm not saying this from the sneak perspective I mean I'm thinking about things like runtime as well you know stuff where there is more, more complicated, you know, data involved. Yeah, it does. It does sound like kind of, I think we have to figure out what is the goal of how we're going to do some projects and really how far we can take it between like, how usable it is to, you know, trying to avoid like the king One thing I was going to say is that I think that if you're doing, if we do commercial, then we have to be very clear with their criteria, because every vendor will want on the list. They will want to be on categories as they can be. And so we need to have like clear written criteria so there's no questions or favoritism or anything like that. And everyone's clear is like, yes, you're in these categories for these things and here's how you get there.  And that's just going to reduce the value because then it was like, well, everyone's everywhere. Yeah, I think we want this document to be useful. And we need to make sure that we, you know, we have it in a place that like people can look at this and clearly know what are the things that they have on the on the list here, but I'm sorry, Ash, go ahead. No, I already makes a good point like having a clear defined criteria for both the open source as well as the commercial projects, make it as transparent as possible. So there's no questions about it. I think that's something they're going to work on. Yeah, and actually going to be working on that like having a proper gating criteria for both the commercial and the open source. Yeah. So an important thing as well is I think we also need to define the different types of users that we need to target like as a developer, I can this certainly helps but if I'm the architect of a system or I'm info sector trying to come up with a compliance strategy around how to enable developers to do their work, or if I'm on the operation side and various roles there as well, like these security checks may turn into checkbox do you have something there and there may be a whole set of things that they want to focus on there, the fact that you're using dependent bot or something else that they don't really care which one you use as long as you use an approved one, and they have other things that they want to focus their time on so I think we should come up with some with some users that we want to target as part of the as part of the map. I want to cover some of the comments in the chat. I want to take some good questions as well. I like this actually asking about, what does the CNCF do for the other landscape in terms of projects, and I think that's, that's actually a good question. Do we have anyone. They include everything, everything. Okay. It's more like an astral map of the universe than a landscape. Yeah, Tim did you say you're working on some. Yeah. This is actually useful and it's good timing because I'm trying to figure out what the roadmap is for things that we provide to open source through LFX and I think in some ways there we can abstract away sort of the decisions are like, you know, for as someone mentioned already we use sneak and we're looking at other commercial but then we've already done the pre vetting, and people won't have the question oldest be expensive because it'll be done through LFX. So what would be helpful for me is as I build the roadmap is to understand well, what are the problems you want to solve and then we'll go off and figure out with your guidance like check out these vendors and then we're going through with the vendors and like, okay, we want this available for open source we wanted to, you know, go through our control panel the LFX project control center. We want to make sure it's still usable for developers and then someone mentioned you know the personas want to bet that out. So what would be helpful, I think is you started to do it a little bit with the examples was sort of like I started by, what's the type of vulnerabilities that people care about that we will then say okay we're going to find what the right tooling is. And then what we can do is we can then abstract away some of that and put into LFX, and then people won't have to go through. They can still use their own choice but we'll have vetted it out it'll be easier to instrument based on your projects the cost will be covered if you're a member of the. I mean all those things we can kind of take the lift off of the project TSCs. But I don't know the scope of the kinds of problems, how far people want to go, like for example, I saw here listed was sassed, but the people want to consider dast but then now you've got to develop the run be able to run the runtime and then you've got to be dramatic this part of your CI CD. And, you know, we're not able to generalize that completely and not everything has a runtime and so I sort of paused on do I really want to go down that path like I think I can share my roadmap or we can start with like what are the set of problems you want to solve like I started to look at what was the low hang fruit, like dependency scanning checking for the vulnerability database of things that are known. Like kind of basic basic stuff and I'm trying to get a feel how far this roadmap goes that we want to try to do. I think an interesting place to go to as well as you know the infrastructure side. So being able to run for example like CIS benchmark so like some kind of compliance scans against infrastructure. Yeah, I mean there's going to be a whole different thing and then it's going to open up a lot of costs of which I don't know whether it's going to be sustainable to manage as well. Yeah, so I think those are the things that I want to kind of get a feel for from this group since we're literally talking about it. And then things kind of can scan off like I was just meeting with like I guess CNCF uses source graph and I met with the CTO yesterday and we're like, it seems like, you know, someone else would have they wanted a project one have tighter controls over what security concerns they had rather than just relying on a black quasi black box, you know, volume database, they build their own patterns and we use that so I think that that's kind of where I would like to. I'd like to, I like to hear and I can share like these are the problems I'm thinking of solving but then we can go off and take your suggestions on you know do we want to have a way so that OSS fuzz is really easy you just put in your repo set it up and then it'll run like that. And then you can go into your recommendations on, but whether it's open source or commercial. But but I'm at a phase where I'm literally was working yesterday on with the roadmap of problems we wanted to solve and I'd love your, your input how wide or how deep. Do we need to go is it more shallow and what's the most common. You raise a great point I think framing it at what are the set of problems is the most useful and making it a scenario driven like as technologists we're often subject to like marketing myopia. And we forget that people don't don't want the quarter inch drill, they don't care about the features on the drill. They care about a quarter inch hole. So what are the tools and yeah obviously you might want to ask well, what's the difference between a regular drill and electrical drill or like a hammer drill. Right. So depending on the trolley, like the material you're drilling through you might use one of the other right. Exactly. Sounds like the decision making criteria rather than being an exhaustive list of all the software that whether it's open source is like hey if if this is your risk profile and these are the requirements of your organization. Right, you should consider software that checks this this list. Exactly. And that's what I love to hear where how far we is the interest like you can go through the whole supply chain up to you know do people care about the binaries about the packages do they want to have a hash insurance, you know signature, all the way up to, you know, the commits like there's so many different ways you could go. I'd love to kind of like put that in and I can either next time, share this is the things that I put you guys and say yeah we don't care about this or you know go into the supply chain all that packages is not interesting, but we only care about x, you know that that that I think would help us frame the scope of the problem. Yeah, I think that's great Tim do maybe do you want to present a little bit of what you have one of the sessions. Yeah, sure. I'll try to do it either maybe next week I mean I'm literally in the middle of like putting it it'll be very like half baked because I'm kind of keep the funnel open, but maybe this would be a good time for me to actually get it out of my head and in front of experience practitioners that would be awesome. I think that I think that's that's something that we all couldn't be excited about awesome great super. I see Dan pop just dropped and I was ready to deliver a joke. Don't make that get in your way man bad for him. This is your show. This is what I heard from my daughter the other day, do you know why the computer married the Wi Fi. Why, they had a good connection. Dad jokes. Yeah, you know the describe me I think that's that's a good action item to highlight. I think it made it made the cut. It made the cut. We'll see. Alright, so what I guess we don't have anything else on today's agenda. How do you want to do a shout out on cognitive security day Andrews how's that going I'll be registration so open. Is registration still open for cognitive security day. Yeah. I think there might even be a day off the event. Not exactly sure but yeah, it's it's trending up asymptotically we have a bunch of people signed up and we have a great content line lined up. Most of the recordings are due this week. So I know folks are working on that. I'm working along with a tie on doing the opening and closing. I know we have of the program committee but yeah, pretty much about smooth sailing. Awesome. Yeah. Keep calm talks we're also do Monday at midnight so I hope for this present thing, you got your talks in. Awesome. Any other thoughts going around if not weekend. Okay, awesome. Have a good week and see you next week. There's hope.


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Yes, crewmate! You look up on it. Hooray! Celebrate crewmate! Hooray, everyone! That was really funny. Uh oh. Wait, hold on. What's happening? No, not many times. What a fart! Oh, are we farting in the far hole, dude? Oh, I actually do have to fart in the far hole. Okay, I'm doing the wires back here. I'm doing the wires back here. Scooby. Oh wait, does anyone have meds? I don't have med bay. I saw it. I have some questions. I have some questions. So, uh, Amber and Ethan. Yeah. You were the last two people I saw in lab with both Amber Gert and Jason. Uh, have anything to say? Lava making hot baths for everyone if you want to come. I did see We have to shoot. We have to shoot. Wait, explain this up. Did you see anyone else coming into lab? No, I went to I went to fart box and then I went to do wires in the bathroom which was a little spooky. And then I went down to office. Okay, when you were, I literally, all I did I went down into specimen, did my sorting and I'm like, I don't feel right so I went up and I saw double kill. So, Amber, why isn't your guard with you? I have no idea. Last time I heard, Ellie's going to go do med scan. Oh, to Amber. Ellie died on med scan. So, Amber, would you have a problem if we voted Ethan? No. I don't want to vote Ethan. I just don't understand. If you didn't see anyone else coming in, I don't understand how two people came in without you seeing. I voted you just because I know that everybody voted me.  My thoughts for Amber has a guard and the guard is dead. Yeah, so Amber, Ethan, because they were together and they're still dead. Well, Ethan, I think is also correct unless Julie is a big brain.  It serves you right. Everybody always says this. It serves you right. It serves you right. You're not the playground of people.  Whoa! Jesus, dude.   It's like, I say what I need to say.  Uh-huh.  Yeah, exactly.  I'm gonna babysit the emergency button so I came back with you. Oh God, okay Well, so we can talk so let's talk. We don't have to vote here, but let's talk Berkey so you think you think it makes more it would have made more sense to have voted Amber in the situation I just thought it made more sense to vote Amber just because of the guard situation But I also don't know if they were like near each other just based on past experience with guards But actually was saying they were together the whole time like When I went down to specimen I left Ethan was in the bathroom and Amber was out the door Being like, oh, are you pooping and I left to go down? So that's I knew that Jason was there because he was yelling he was farting the fart hole and I also know That Amber garden was also there. I'm just curious join join any thoughts because I feel like you you're quiet But maybe just because you don't know no, I mean, it seems like we got I'm done with my tasks. I'm not a hundred percent like I Wasn't paying attention, but I totally thought they got Amber. All right, Amber. You've got this you've got this Yeah, Julian, did you see Amber run up to you or did you kill Berkey? I Saw the body fall Don't cam the button my guy. Oh, that's so good. I hope that Amber wins.  Thank you Because I wanted to give her something Yes, I want Amber to win too this will be so good Let's go. Come on Amber. You got it.  Jason. Who do we just say I wasn't paying attention We just saw someone I don't know The decomp to go to specimen Why are you talking about the flesh website? Um Yo, I just did that for a video the other day and it's really really hard Okay, I didn't I didn't see I remember Ashley says something about the echoes Yeah, and I left right after that. I was walking away from you guys.  I know everyone's got food. I'm like, what the hell's happening? Really hungry. What what's happening? Because I saw it. Okay.  I was specimen. I'm skipping I bought it. I'm skipping too.  We're well, okay I thought I I thought I got I thought I got both Ethan I thought you actually didn't see anything No, I legitimately didn't see anything and I didn't kill last round either I mean, I could believe you maybe didn't do the kill because you wouldn't kill at the far hole.  Don't worry about it.   I'm not chasing you. I'm not chasing you. I'm not chasing you Listen, I was with you and Allie and then I went south when Allie went on cams And I was literally walking across and going to the right at the bottom right now bear key I thought that you and I had a special friendship. Why me? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.  Why? Because I just left Feral wife and Ashley Let's get Ethan first and then we'll get Ashley.  I got I went back in there because I have to gas up twice I I just want to say Can I can I say a thing real quick is that Is that Jason has been around at least the last body And I don't I don't like the cut on Jason's jib this round is all I'm saying Okay, bye guys. Yo, watch watch. We're gonna be in after this and I think it's Ashley because bear key You wouldn't a shot on Ethan. I'm sitting at the top of drop ship It's good for you guys, okay Okay, and then bear key you wouldn't a shot on Ethan right there that early like you shot right when we got in that meeting So I trust you right now But Chris the whole my yelling the whole you yelling No, he was because like why would you be shouting that you wouldn't be putting on a show for me. I'll go Oh, yeah, I wouldn't be putting on a show for me. Okay. Oh, no How many tests you have left Jason Oh, I was so far No, wait. Oh, I was Jason. I was just following you Shit Jason I'm on cams to go check and now Jason made you a wrong decision So who you voting for vote chris You because I was Jason it's Ashley because she's not Jason. She's trying to Jason Why would I why would I yell that jason was chasing me when it was correct?  All right, you guys I'm chris. Come on I'm just gonna follow Chris the entire Just the entire Oh, I wanted to surprise Ashley by being there when she was Wait, you guys I don't know.  I love l l bean, dude The original l l bean is in uh, not my hometown, but just north of my hometown Okay, me too I just walked out of you can famine it's on vitals Me and cooly saw a body through a window in our room. We were walking We were locked in um to wait in comms Yeah in comms and there's a window that faces it and I thought chris was gonna kill me So I like ran away from him and I went to the car and he wouldn't saw the body So Yeah, I agree with chris. Ashley were we did someone kill while we're in there last round y'all Oh, that's awkward Stop stop saying everything I say I Want to I want to stop I'll stop stop julian I think Chris, what do you think? I'll give a medium voucher julian even though I didn't see the whole class same same Wait everyone's voting for you, okay jason i'm a little sus on for no reason and also I have always wanted to be voted for thank you No I went I was around chris the first half of the game and then I went up to med scan and then I went down to specimen No, you didn't yes, I did No, you didn't yes, I did that's literally the whole pathing that I've had and I didn't see you at all Which side of specimen? I had I was like, oh, I have med scan, but I'm gonna save it I don't think it's chris Yeah, you know if it's you you can tell me It's not me. I'm doing card swipe dude. Yeah, tell me too. I'll definitely say something though. All right, jason this not me All right, you could kill jason right now. I literally And I would report it because I love him. I don't have the ability. It's 321 degrees Fahrenheit Celsius. I'm not sure. Where's chris, huh? I miss him Don't give it. Don't give it. Don't do it. Don't do it No, I got the beep beeps. I got the pew-pews dude I also have 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, done What's so funny? Hot job, man I'm on card swipe jason julian Yeah, jason, why do you keep mixing up our names? I hate it. What the heck? Because you guys are both handsome jason. Next question.  What do I mean?  Sorry, and and jude's a handsome jay. We have four hands So the body is in lab the doors were locked so I knew there was body in here So I unlocked the doors coolly. It's like literally right on top of telescope did So where was anyone up there? No, there was no one up here the doors were locked Hmm I'm on card swipe next to julian in admin. Okay. Yeah, I was I was uh coming out of Decontam and saw if So if wasn't near there, I mean, how did you get into decontam though? You went through lab. I assume right if you came out and saw if No, no, I came down through admin And then I'll come back up to this. Yeah But you didn't come out through lab to see if because the doors were locked Ethan, where were you? Ethan was in decontam in the in the admin decontam the the bottom one Give you my whole pathing I went over to the thermometer lava thing and then I went from there down to weapons and then weapons over to Decontam the bottom one Well, barricade barricade is not here to to dispute that though, so I don't know It's jude jason or Whatever christ says, yeah No, it's literally not me. Oh, we're still alive. We're good. Yeah. I spass a man I don't know why but this is the funniest goof to me. Just dressing up like chris.  Oh no