Recording has started. It is 6.02 p.m. I am calling the regular meeting of the CV fiber board to order. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda? And hold on a second. I need to move this to a different screen. That do? Yeah, that'll do. Okay. All right. There's that. I'm not seeing. I need people's hands. That's what I need to see. Allen, did I need to add you to the agenda? No. Okay. Is there any public comment? Do you need a motion to approve the agenda, Siobhan? No, I do not need a motion to approve the agenda. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Not seeing any public comment. I'm going to move on to the meeting minutes approval. Jeremy, do you have a motion for me? You have a motion to approve the March 14, 2020, three meeting minutes as drafted. I will move to accept the minutes as drafted. That's R.D. I'd like to make a correction if I could. Second. Okay. Just a moment. We have a motion made by Jeremy, seconded by I believe that was Chuck. Tom. Tom. Sorry, Tom. And Michael has a change. Go ahead, Michael. It just wasn't noted that I was absent at the last meeting. Okay. I will. So for the meeting minutes, I don't know. How did that get in there? I will change that. I have not been saying specifically who is absent in the meeting minutes. Yeah. I just noticed there were a couple people mentioned in these minutes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good catch. I need to remove that because that is not accurate. There are a lot more people than just you who didn't attend. That's something that I do for committees. But you know, because a lot of times it's much, much closer to quorum. But I do a different thing for the governing board. I have that attendance for the town representation sheet. And I will talk to Sybil, our minute taker, and let her know that we don't do absent for this. So I apologize for the confusion. Alan, your hand is up. Go ahead. Yeah, Jeremy, you did get those two small corrections that I sent you right. I believe I did and then sent out a revised version. Okay. The most important of them was the was the was the date of the meeting had to be corrected. And as long as you did that, then you probably did the other the other small thing that was in there. Yep. Okay. The version that I have is March 14th. Okay. Great. Thanks. There's a number back and forth on this one. And I'll try to check a little bit more closely and make sure that they're better before I send them out to the board. I apologize. I'm really, really busy right now. And yeah. Okay. Is there any more discussion about the motion to approve the minutes as amended and suggested for change? R.D., go ahead. I just want to request that you record my vote as abstained since I was not present at the meeting. Okay. So are there any objections to approving the motion? And I don't hear any objections. We have one abstention of R.D. Does anybody else wish to abstain from voting on these minutes? I guess I probably should also. I was also absent. Okay. Michael will also abstain. And otherwise, the motion passes with the majority. Thank you. Operations manager introduction. That's Lucas. Hi, Lucas. Everybody. This is Lucas. He's our new operations manager. He started this week last week. He started last week, didn't you? Why don't you go ahead and talk a little bit, Lucas, because I'm boring. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Lucas Stubbs. I live in Williamstown. I've been in telecom since 2009, last 10 years with level three slash century length slash lumen. That's a technician and an outside plant engineer.  And I'm certainly going to be one of those, I hope so. Definitely looking forward to that. Okay. Yeah, Lucas has only been here for a week. He's already hit the ground running. We're meeting at the warehouse tomorrow with with Eustace and NRTC and warehouse management. And we have on the books a meeting with weights field. And Lucas has already been instrumental in helping us pinpoint some of the big challenges that we have and maybe some solutions that we could implement. So welcome, Lucas. It's really wonderful to have you here. Thank you very much. Good to be here. Yes. Okay. All right. So we will move on to the Treasurer's report. Laurie Beth or Ray? Okay, Ray sent you the various reports that we had. We had gone over and discussed some of the things on them at a prior meeting and then a private meeting he and I had. Because we were there was confusion as to where the rent and where have went and utilities and those are under been listed at the pre construction and want to keep it there or not. But that's one of the things we discussed. So Laurie Beth, how about if I go through the balance sheet? So in the highlights of the balance sheet and if there's some questions, you'll be more equipped to answer those than than I am. I'm not an accountant. But at the end of at the end of March, we had seven and a half million dollars in the bank account. And and for the I think almost the first time, we're reflecting current assets of $2.8 million, for example. So total current assets of 11.2 fixed assets of 2.8. So total assets of $14 million. And this is important when we are interested in finding debt, for example, for additional construction work. Let's see. Profit loss. Gross profit, this had to do with grant money coming in. I recognize this $90,000 here for town opera from Northfield, for example. Licensing fees and dues. Janiel, what was the licensing fees and dues that came up with this? Do you recall? $36,000? Yeah, so we do. We do owe some licensing fees because we got some licenses last year and those are on an annual basis. So that's going to be different than make ready. Yeah. Total administration 64,000. But of course, this is before adding a couple more employees. So that number is going to go up. Here's our pre construction for March design services. 32,000 make ready services 66 materials $376,000. So you can see that a lot of money was spent this particular month. The next thing is expenses by vendor. So Kalex is provide the electronics for our OLTs on the optical line terminals, those cabinets that from which the internet will be distributed throughout the district. So that's $246,000 for one set of electronics. That's probably the largest we see here. Power Intel supply company $107,000. We buying materials from them. Mission Broadband is handling our pole licensing applications and things like that. What else? Ray, RDS got his hand up. I'm sorry, I don't mean to. What sort of licensing? What licenses are we paying for? Attachment fees. No, before. The didn't we sign that contract for the cybersecurity? Is that licensing? Oh, there's that too. Yes, that that could be part of it too. Yes, it's a security contract for know before as well. Oh, yeah, there could be other licensing as well. Okay, what is no before? That's security training software. Okay, package. Okay, got it. Thank you. Any any of the questions on these on these figures? If not, thank you. All right, so the next item on the agenda is budget allocation insurance. This is just a notification about the insurance. We're there's going to be an increase in the insurance. We obviously have more materials than we've had in the past. We have more employees than we had in the past. And so our insurance costs are going up. The executive committee takes care of approving these kinds of budget line items. So this is just a notice that we're going from something like 35 to 70,000 something something something along those lines. And that doesn't require board approval. So that's just letting us know. Thank you for letting us know. Okay, so then audit update. Yeah, so I can take this when with the auditor on Friday, met Westler, and she said that the audit was going great. We had given them some information on inventory and specifically the inventory value for each piece of equipment or materials we have in stock. And they just wanted to go through some basic questions about how we do business. And her impression was that our audit was going well and should be should be done this month. So the audit update is that we've complied by supplying all of the required requested information from Westler as well as from Bonnie Batchelder's office. And they're in the process of reviewing it and going through and completing the audit. Anybody have any questions about that construction grant update? The great news was we we we did receive an approval from the Vermont Community Broadband Board yesterday on $1.9 million of grant allocation funds to keep us afloat, keep the lights on purchase some materials as we went through in that spreadsheet, we've put out some significant funds for long lead, long lead time items. So those items, administrative costs will will be funded through the additional 1.9 that was received approved yesterday. Henry has a question. Go ahead, Henry. Oh, did you take your hand out? I was trying to figure out how to clap my hands. Clap acknowledged, yes. Anybody have any other questions or comments? Okay, great. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say that Alan heard that because Alan's in the woods. And so if you're in the woods, you can hear the clap something. Something was on the tree. Just tree falls down. Run Alan, run the tree's falling. So just a bear. This was the the last bit of our ARPA funding. Sorry, I'm trying to get the minutes and I got a little behind it on. Oh, that was a grant. Yeah, that was a grant for BCBB. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And construction update. So actually, I'm going to ask Lucas to give the construction update. I'll fill the gaps in here if if you want me to Lucas. But you want to you want to take a stab at the construction update? Sure. I don't think we got an updated mileage today. Did we from NRTC? Not today. No. No, last we heard we're at about what 10 miles of fiber built and 14 miles of strand. That was let me let me see what numbers they gave me last lap. So we're working now on trying to get a real time update for our for our construction as it goes. But they say they said yeah, I think 10 is probably pretty close by now. I think on Friday, they had 9.4. So I think that's probably about right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we're meeting with USIS tomorrow at the warehouse and hoping to get a good game playing with them to speed things up a little bit. You know, I know we want to be at about three miles a week right now once you know, roads clear out in the mud season dries up a little bit more. So we're going to ask them. I'm sorry, Dave, would I say a week? Yeah. Oh, yes. So hopefully we will be able to get on the same page with USIS tomorrow. They're sending one of their vice presidents over. So that'll be a good conversation to have. You know, one of our holdups has been the callous OLT, which we have an onsite meeting Friday morning with hopefully all parties involved so we can get a game playing by the end of that meeting. I was lost in electric and Velco and NRTC and myself. So, you know, hopefully by the end of this week, we have a lot clearer picture turning up callous. And, you know, getting a better understanding about what we can expect going forward from USIS and, you know, getting everything in the air and ready to turn up. I know we also have the RFPs that we're hoping to have by the end of the week, right? Which will light up these cabinets. So we're hoping to have multiple, you know, multiple bids in on those and have options. But, you know, a lot of these really remote places could be interesting to see who's available and who can help us out. So I guess a lot going on by end of the week. Thanks. Anybody have any questions or anything to add to that? So do we have an estimate of when the OLT might be ready to light? Well, that's going to be tough because we need to get the information in the drawings into the agency of natural resources first and then there's a 14 day comment or review period after that. So if we get all of the drawings done by next week, we're looking at the end of the month for the approval of the ANR of the drawings. Just just being realistic here, you know, I mean, we're going to we're going to have to get our permit probably by the end of the month, the beginning of May, if we're being realistic about it. John Walters asked in chat that he has almost 15 miles of fiber in the pending front porch forward post. Is that wrong? Yes. So so as of last week, there could be some informal updates, but but the formal updates from NRTC that come out on Friday, we haven't received anything more than that. So I would say I would say it's closer to 10 formally, even though they put some in the air, we don't have it officially approved through from NRTC besides what we got last week. But maybe by the end of this week, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, and they've been averaging about three miles a week. And as as Luca said, we're aiming to get three miles a day. So once they get more troops on the ground, we should be looking at an increase. It's been a little slow go because the mud season and they've been trying to get lighter trucks out there to to hang. Okay. And Tom Fisher has a hand up. Go ahead, Tom. Thinking back to plans almost a year ago now, we were talking about how Washington Electric Co-op had an area in Calis that we were going to, the real line was going to get sent to early before the rest of our build. Is that included in our 15 or 10 miles or whatever we're counting? Or has that work been done? I'm not sure if that's even part of this picture anymore or not. Yeah. So I'm not sure what that is that I'm not sure that they were going to hang early fiber. That's that wasn't part of the plan. Maybe we're thinking about delivering and storing fiber at WEC because we certainly were doing that. It was it was to run from the East Montpelier downtown up to the Washington Electric Transfer Station or something in Calis. Yeah, and nothing like that was ever done. The only scope of work that has been released for any fiber hanging is that one to use this for the Calis DA. So there has not been any additional fiber hung in East Montpelier. Tom, I think David Healy might be able to give you a clearer explanation of that particular bit you're talking about. And of course, David's in Ireland. So he's not much help. But in terms of how dare we take a vacation. That's on the record. David Healy not much help. Do we have any more comments or questions? Okay, next up is website update. Is that you Linda? Or Janiel? We're Joe, that's Chuck. Chuck. I don't want to hear from Chuck. Do you want to start or do you want me to just go right into it?  We're working on two things on the website. We're working on the subscription interface with crowd fiber so that people can sign up and we're working on the front end to put up the subscriptions and also some additional offerings that we have on the WordPress. So we're working with code writer on that for WordPress and we're working with crowd fiber on the integration part for the subscribers and Chuck, you can provide better context. Yeah, sure. So there are a couple of elements to this. The first element as Janiel indicated is the actual experience through which somebody can truly subscribe and indicate that they want to buy one of our packages and that is managed in crowd fiber. That interface is getting closer. We have a little bit of content we need to finalize, particularly on the commercial side of things. We have a couple of known bugs we need to work out and most importantly, while it looks pretty good and works pretty well on desktop size browsers, it does not yet look good on mobile browsers. So we have a bit more to go there on the mobile browser front. We are at this point, unfortunately, well over the original 80 hours we originally specced, but we are still under the $5,000 budget that we got approval for. But we are inching our way closer to that budget. So it won't be long before we likely come into that budget cap and either need to re-evaluate and come back for more money or figure out how to pivot at that point in time. The other work that is in flight is on the sort of public marketing site, if you will, the site that will be available to the public even if you're not already going through a subscription process. And that is from a design perspective, much closer. We still have a couple of sets of the content and how we talk about our packages that need to go through an approval process for the communications committee and executive committee before we will be ready to release them. But that should be happening very, very soon. Linda, looks like you want to add something. We are looking for testers to help us out. If you would like to join our testing team, we would appreciate it very much. We probably need six or so people on this testing team. And we would like to start testing probably at the end of the week. Bonus points. Sorry, I just want to know what kind of a time commitment is the testing thing? We will probably ask you to go through the process of registering three times. Okay. However, and that will probably take like 10, 15 minutes to go through the process and log your findings. That said, we would also love to encourage those of you who might have multiple kinds of devices in your household, and if you can volunteer a little more time to go through it on multiple devices, because we need to test iPads, we need to test mobile phones of different formats, Android, iPhone. We need to test Windows computers. We need to test Mac computers. We need to test Chrome versus Safari versus Firefox. All of this testing needs to happen. And so when you volunteer, if you can indicate whether you have multiple kinds of devices in your household and the time to do more than just one round of testing, we would greatly appreciate it. You can email Linda and myself with those details. And I just want to say a huge shout out to Linda for coordinating this testing. It's a ton of work. I unfortunately changed jobs a week and a half ago and my world has become a lot more busy than it was prior to that. And so she has really picked up any sort of slack. And I would like to shout out for Chuck because he's the one doing the code merge to get us to production. So I'd like to shout out to both of you for all the hard work you're doing. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do we have any more comments or questions about the website? I've been sitting in a lot of these calls with Chuck and Linda and I can say it is a tremendous amount of work. Every every issue is a rabbit hole and fixing the crowd fiber spaghetti code has been just insanity. So every every little thing that needs to be tweaked is a rabbit hole. It's amazing. Yep. Anything else? I'm going to move on. All right. I'm moving on marketing update. I don't even know who that is now. So I'll take it. Okay. So we are we are working toward a direct mailing campaign with Crawford. They've put together a few different images for postcard mailing to go out at phased in a phased way so that we have one when fibrous coming one when you can sign up and then one when it's here. And we also are hiring a community relations manager who is going to be liaison between Crawford Communications Committee and public interface crowd fiber weights field. So we also have a marketing campaign that was developed by Crawford. We're looking at what to do and then the first the next quarter and then the following quarter for each piece we decided to break out the direct mailing campaign because it's something we want to get done now but we're also looking at some events for the summer and getting some booths and doing events at launch and things like that. So we will be putting together a a statement of work based on the proposal when we hire a community relations manager. Linda wants to add something. We would like a list of events that are going on this summer in your towns things like farmer's markets and things like that. So if you would please send us a list for your town of different community events that go on or places where people congregate like the post office or the hardware store or maybe there's only one store in town they all congregate at. Anyway those kind of information will help us to decide where we can put up events when we start going live. So please send us an email. You can send it to Janiel or me and we're going to start collecting those events mostly summer events. Thank you. OK. I'm going to recognize myself here. I just wanted to add that I did talk to the people at the rainbow center that I work with and they're very excited about the possibility and the people who are running the pride event in Barry are very excited about the possibility to see if I were just even setting up a table there. And so I'll send you the information about that. Is anybody else. I think Barry is the one we've already signed up for the festival. Oh no. This is a different festival. Yes. Yeah. No. This is pride. The Pride Festival. Yeah. My failure at Barry Heritage Festival. Do we sign up for that heritage. OK. Yeah. That that yeah that's through the very partnership that pride is a citizens group that is doing that rather than the businesses group. And then there's my failure pride but I can get you in contact with them as well. So I'll get I'll get those out to you.  No I don't. OK. OK. So the next thing on the agenda is committee chairs and officer election notice which I think means we're not doing that in this meeting but we're doing it in the next meeting. Yeah. So the next this is an important notice actually the next meeting is when the board will vote on a chair and the vice chair and the officers etc. OK. And the other thing that's important here is that they're also going to approve the committee chairs. You may recall there's a two step process for the committee chairs. The committees themselves elect a chair and then the then the board approves the election and the of that of that chair. OK. So what that means for the executive committee folks chairs is that between now and the next board meeting in May that you'll need to hold a meeting in which you held an election for the chair. It does not include the vice chair. So that's not something the company for the board questions comments. That means you better be good Ray. For a whole month Linda. I don't know if I can handle it. OK. Chuck has his hand up. I'll just put it out there that anybody who wants to chair the communications committee is more than welcome to come. Really Chuck handing the baton. We will not let him step down. Are you kidding me. I wouldn't let me step down last year. I tried. Right. The next thing is credit card authority. So this this is not a this. This is just a notice as well. This is not an action item. The executive committee has authority with regard to the credit card business. But we are going to be getting credit cards. It's hard to believe that we haven't had credit cards to now for folks. In the beginning the chair in the executive director will have a credit card. The executive committee will approve subsequent other folks that might need them which might include for example operations manager and the community relations manager. But the executive committee will be taking action on those things. So any questions or comments on that. OK. So the next two items are possible executive session. The community relations manager.  Yeah. So there were two separate statutory rationales for executive session for these next two items. One is a personnel matter. The other is strategies. OK. And so what will happen is we'll go into executive session for the community relations manager come out and hopefully take some action. And then we'll go back into executive session and go through the funding materials. And so that's just the way we'll have to run that. OK. Yeah. That I was actually going to ask that question. Do we need to have two separate sessions. Yeah. So Ray do you have a motion for the first session. It just so happens I do. That's amazing. I'll put it in the chat room. It's like you're psychic. Yeah. Moved that we had our executive session to consider the employment and valuation of a public officer employee in accordance with one VSA section 313 alpha of three and that all delegates alternates the executive director are invited as they have information that is needed regarding the employment of a community relations manager in accordance with one VSA section 313 Bravo. So now I wanted to be we have alternates and delegates and the executive director. No other staff and I'm not aware of any other folk who ought to be in attendance. And if you think that you should be then let me know that would that also includes John Walters as the vice chair of the planning district committee. R.D. The motion has been made by Ray seconded by Jeremy. Go ahead. R.D. My only question is is would Lucas's presence be welcome at the second executive session. Yes. I'm already told that I'm already told that and I will text him when we come out so we can come back. Thank you. That's why you were checking to see if his phone was on at the beginning. Nice. Nice. I'm telling you Ray is psychic. He's just very psychic. No it's this. Magic ball. OK. So I have a motion for us to go to executive session. Is there any more discussion. I'm not seeing any discussion. Do I have any objections to this motion. I am not seeing any objections. Do I have any abstentions. Do I need abstentions. Pickle the stain. Yeah. The motion carries. We are going to be going into executive session with people who are supposed to leave. Go away now please. And I'm going to stop the recording. It is 6 thirty six PM when I am stopping the recording.


because I've asked you guys to send me videos you want me to comment on and somebody sent me this video to comment on it's called uncomfortable conversations with a black man and it's interesting the guy's very well spoken and looks like a really successful guy and so I thought you know this would be a good one to talk about and it's particularly relevant right now so what he does is he he takes questions for people and he answers them and the questions are particularly I guess from white people and he answers them from the perspective of a black guy right and so we're gonna we're gonna look at this video and we're gonna analyze it and we'll see if I let me find it there it is all right there it is he's got a bunch of these videos not that many because I think he started recently he also brings people on the show and has discussions with them I haven't watched those videos yet but it looks like those interested but anyway this is the first show where he is he is presenting the scene now let me just start by saying the whole approach the whole approach of white people black people white people asking black people black people I mean that whole approach of looking at things from a collectivistic perspective looking at things from solely from the prism of color from the prism of race is a recipe for disaster nothing good nothing positive can come from this this is a recipe for more racism for more discrimination and and really for more collectivism because the whole approach is from the perspective of race from the perspective of collectivism and and unfortunately this guy is guilty of this when asked on a different show not this show whether he would like to see a world of color blindness he says no he says you know something about colors beautiful and differences in culture beautiful and so on but that's not the point of color blindness and let me just say my view is we should be colorblind when judging the character of people we should be colorblind when judging the quality of a culture the character of people is not determined by their race the culture is not determined by race people should be judged by their characters individuals culture should be judged by whether they are pro-life or anti-life pro-human values or anti-human values pro-human progress or anti-human progress and color of skin the geographic location of the culture has nothing to do with any of those anyway so I thought we'd we'd watch this and analyze it and we're gonna start with the first question he gets he has a little intro which I'm skipping and we'll start with the first question he gets which is about riots so it's perfect a manual why are y'all rioting I understand protesting but why riot and to that I submit this MLK said that rioting is the language of the unheard for years black people have tried peacefully protesting going back to 1965 and before with the Selma March and that didn't work and that didn't work so he keeps repeating this it find it interesting that there's a complete there's this assumption that the civil rights movement just didn't happen that no progress was made in 1960s that we still somehow live under Jim Crow laws that they're still being asked to go to the back of the bus I mean it not only is an injustice to the heroism of those who struggled to get rid of the Jim Crow laws and to bring about the recognition of the rights of blacks particularly in the south but really all over the country remember things like redlining were government policy government policy even in the north even in California so getting rid of government discrimination at the federal and state level was a real achievement a major achievement a major achievement of Martin Luther King and and and many of the civil right leaders of the time so if you start from the assumption that we're still in the sense in the middle of the civil rights era that is 70 years later nothing has changed everything is the same then yeah I that should lead to unbelievably frustrating frustration wow we meet fighting this battle we're still being discriminated by the federal government we're still being discriminated by the state government but that is just a straight evasion of the reality now we'll get to the fact that there's no racism out there but the reality is the reality is a lot was achieved in the 1960s in terms of racial equality and and by the way as you know I don't consider race as a legitimate legitimate concept I use it here as they use it as everybody else uses it but I don't believe race is a valid valid category a valid concept to differentiate between people but the idea that nothing has been achieved nothing has changed it's just absurd the 1960s civil rights movement led to the diss to complete dismantling of Jim Crow it led to the complete elimination of the laws that discriminate against blacks in America and indeed and tragically in my view tragically in my view and part of the problem today the 1960s civil rights movement actually led to laws at the federal level that discriminate in favor of blacks affirmative action is a great example of that equal housing inability inability to discriminate on private property which violates private property rights in the name of anti discrimination so the civil rights movement while dismantling real discrimination also brought about what people call reverse discrimination which I think has perpetuated the idea of race has perpetuated the importance of race and has perpetuated frustration resentment and brought us to the point where we are today but that they ignore completely because that is a reverse form of discrimination and I find it you know tragic that this guy who looks like he's I don't know he's late 20s maybe early 30s or maybe his early 20s I don't know it's not aware of the massive progress that is made today to say you're racist most people 90% of people look down on you if you say you're racist and good that's progress 1950s many people in the south said unbelievably racist things considered themselves racist and it was a point of pride the difference is dramatic and by not recognizing that major progress has been made in this country with regard to treating treatment of blacks you are weakening your own position you're weakening your own stand and you're excusing the kind of violence that should never be excused there is no excuse for riots unless you're launching a revolution and then it better be for the right cause it better be for more liberty so let's let's keep listening and then in 2016 Colin Kaepernick he took a knee and that agenda got moved to a flag which was never the goal he just wanted to raise awareness on social injustice so that didn't work and so now we've seen riots I mean if there's social injustice and there was racism out there there's no question there was racism out though I don't think anyone near to the extent that they claim there is and and to the degree that they claim there is but there is racism out there is the way to do it is the way to deal with it is the way to solve it through violence is the way to solve it through rioting and what is the agenda if the agenda of the rioting if the agenda of the demonstration was a revolution to bring about true colorblindness that would be one thing but we've seen what the riots are aimed to do it's to destroy the system to destroy capitalism to destroy freedom it's to destroy businesses destroy property and to annihilate this system that we have that is the United States of America I mean that's explicitly what they argue Trevor asks if riots persist in leftist cities is it more for governors to enact better stand your ground laws which would result in more deadly forced being used in protecting property no I think I think the solution is not for governors to say we give up we're gonna let we're gonna let citizens protect their own property I think if riots persist then the solution is to bring out the national guard and to arrest people in mass and to keep them in jail for longer periods of time to prosecute them to try them and to put them in jail the solution is now for the government to say we want anarchy we want people to go out there to defending their own property and everybody's their own cop which would create massive mayhem like we saw with this guy walking down the street whether he was protecting property or not with a semi-automatic rifle and two people got killed and he could have easily got killed the solution needs to be for the police to actually do their job for the government to actually do their job for people who are in charge of law and order to actually provide us with law and order not to default on that by saying no no no we can't do it you do it somebody says that again super chat I would suggest that these incidents are mostly the result of hiring policies over decades maybe but then we need to reform the police so that the hiring policies moving forward are changed and maybe in some cities in some places it makes sense to fire all the police and to rehire new people on the basis of better standards as was done in places like Georgia the country when they wanted to eradicate corruption among the police all right I want to get back to today's discussion of a writing so his point is it's never worked civil rights movement didn't work calling capitalics taking a knee didn't work because black people and hurt people are trying to get the attention of the oppressor they're trying to raise raise awareness of the oppression so here's the problem the problem is that you view people as monoliths you view people as collectives we black people are trying to raise the awareness of the oppressor white people but that's not the issue the issue is some white people some police the issue is not that we live in a country this fundamentally racist even though I think there are a lot of racist people in America more than I thought in the past so somebody says you're not white you're on you can't emphasize in any way we'll get to that because there's a sense in which that's right there's a sense of which I cannot emphasize and and I now and I'll get to that but the only way to solve problems like this the only way to get out of this long term is to change the orientation from us versus them them versus us them as a group we as a group they did this to us and I we and start talking about I and me and you I am not an oppressor my skin color has been three white I am not a racist my skin color happens to be white you are not a writer your skin color happens to be black we've got to get away we've got to get away from treating people as members of groups we got to get to the point of treating people as individuals and we were a long way from that and unfortunately videos like this do not help us get there do not help us get there in spite of what I sense is real sincerity from this guy I was in I was biking around Lake Austin the other day and there was a white girl around about 15 years and as I'm on my bike I say to her on your left because I want to notify her I'm coming so that she can change her course of action I get 10 meters away and I increase my voice on your left because she had yet to move I get five meters away and she's still there and I say on your left because I realize if she doesn't change her course of action there will be a collision and as I approach her I go on your left and we collide my goal was never to hit her but because she had her headphones in she didn't hear me and so she didn't change her course of action so the idea is that American culture has their headphones in and blacks in American culture been telling us change your course change your course change your course and because we've had our headphones in we've been dealing with other things we haven't paid any attention to them but what does it mean to change your course have blacks in America been saying be individualists stop discriminating stop the racism train police better here are five things that need to be done ten things that you've done and of course there's no evidence click at evidence empirical evidence that the police shoot black man more than they do others but this country does have a history of racism and I believe as a lot of racists in it but how do you deal with racism you don't deal with racism by being a racist you don't deal with racism by being a collectivist you don't deal with racism by saying you're all racist we need to change the system we destroy what we have we need socialism or we need I don't know what is the solution what is it what is it that they're trying to gain our attention for on a bike it's easy you change your lane but what does it mean to change a lane when it comes to these issues they don't tell us because changing a lane is far too dramatic what they really mean is either they don't know I think that's the more innocent of them and the more serious of them what they mean is much scarier is way too scary and they know it I believe that that's the same thing black people are doing now 1960s were yelling we're oppressed and there was a consequence of that something was done about it don't evade that but the course of action wasn't changed and so we again yell we're oppressed course of action was changed whatever oppression you have today is significantly on a mass scale on you know on an orders of magnitude different than it was in the 1960s you are today not systematically discriminated against by the state indeed you could make the argument you're systematically discriminated for by the state in hiring in education higher education in other formats so all this anger all this frustration that I understand actually exists if this is the attitude nothing has changed everything's just as bad nobody ever listens to us that's just nonsense but the course of action wasn't changed and so again we yell we're oppressed and now you see the collision that's occurred in America so well I don't condone rioting and I'm sure you don't either because for the most part black people and others that are looting and rioting destructively they're burning down their own homes but when you think about the five different stages of grief you come up to one stage which is called anger and sometimes emotions they don't know their actions so he's not condoning the riots but he is excusing them he's giving them a justification that does not belong he's giving it a justification that is not right he's giving it a justification that doesn't work if racism is a problem anger will not solve it if racism is a problem writing and burning down your own homes doesn't solve it if racism is a problem emotion is not the solution emotion and and and being a slave to that emotion giving in to that emotion acting out on that emotion for your own destruction by burning down your own home or the homes of your neighbors of the homes of the businesses that serve you it's not only not a solution but it will make the problem only worse and acting out like this doesn't cause people who are racist or might be sanctioning racism or might be even inadvertently promoting racist policies it's not gonna change their minds it's gonna make it worse violence in this context can only be appropriate if you're truly trying to change the government to change the world to establish some kind of revolution but what kind of revolution do they want I remember my mom when I was a child she lost her she lost her sister and I just remember her yelling and screaming and I come outside my room and I see my mom throwing herself into a wall and I'm wondering what happened and my dad tells me that my mom's sister had died thinking back on that throwing yourself into a wall it's not gonna change anything you're actually harming yourself yeah but sometimes pain and hurt it doesn't know how to express itself so teach it how to express itself focus your efforts on teaching people how to express their anger their frustration and maybe maybe if you teach them the truth about what their anger frustration should be focused at maybe then you'd have a more constructive solution because this cannot be this cannot be an adult solution to the problem this is a little child throwing a tantrum and if you're a little child you'll be treated as a little child and that will not solve anybody's problems don't excuse the rioting under any circumstances it is not excusable no matter what the ultimate circumstances of the shooting turn out to be rioting is not the answer all right before I go on and I want to go on because there's some there's some other segments here that think interesting we got 89 likes 250 watch two dislikes I'm not surprised this issue always gets a few people who dislike my what I think is a relatively nuanced position and nuances something people don't tend to like but I'm sure they're more than 89 likes so please of the 220 people watching right now please go over and like the show if 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you for the hundreds of people who actually do support the show it's it's amazing how many people how many people do support the show and how generous many of you are so thank you thank you thank you all right let's keep going there's there's more that this guy has to say and you know that that I think is worth is worth hearing you know another question I get from my white friends they ask me why do you think white privilege exists by the way the whole notion of thinking of people in terms of white friends brown friends green fans white black friends is bizarre to me is bizarre to me again the more you make race an issue the more race will be an issue I have friends they have variety of different skin tones a variety of different skin colors who cares that's not what defines them it's not what makes them who they are and I'm suspicious of people generally who think in terms of that I have some Jewish friends some non-Jewish friends of you know what what what the hell stop focusing on my white friends my black friends my green you know that's that's exactly the problem and again the more oh wow Richard thank you the more the more we focus on race the more we talk race the more we emphasize race the more we categorize people based on the race when we put them into groups and tribes and racial identifiers the more racism we will have the more racism we will have no question no matter what your motives on and again I get the sense that this guy has positive motives and I say this if you and I were in a race and the official at the start line they held me back for the first 200 meters and you had a 200 meter then head start the only way to level out that race is either stop you from running or put me on a golf cart and catch you up and catch myself up well you see what we've done in America is we simply said okay a manual you're now free to run and we've acted as if it's a fair race when in all honesty black people were held back for hundreds of years and so within the late 1960s we say okay black people you can go now that's not a fair race LBJ he said at best when he said you can't shackle and change someone for hundreds of years liberate them to freely compete with the rest and still justly believe that you've been there now that's pretty interesting right the analogy right because in a race if you give somebody a 200 yard advantage for the advantage whatever then we all know that's not fair and if you hold somebody back purposefully that's not fair and we know that Jim Crow laws were not fair and slavery was not fair but what is what is the problem with using the analogy of a race for economics not by the way just as an aside this guy's name is the son of an immigrants who came to the United States I don't know exactly when but came to the United States after Jim Crow laws are gone after slavery no longer existed his family was not held back indeed my guess is that the reason his family came to the United States is because he had more opportunities in the United States than any other place on the planet the reason they emigrated here is because even though he's black he had amazing opportunities and indeed we know that blacks from Caribbean blacks from Nigeria blacks from Africa they've done over the last few decades done phenomenally well in the United States but why is an economy not a race somebody says because it's not a pie yes because it's not a zero some game it's not a race it's not a race with winners and losers an economy is a place in which we trade yes some people make more than others but they only make more than others by making more for others somebody wins when I win in a sense everybody wins their own race you're not running against other people you're running against yourself you're trying to maximize your own ability and indeed somebody else running ahead of you faster makes it easier for you to do better this is why the whole analogy breaks down because it doesn't make any sense as I said many times we've all benefited enormously from the Jeff Bezos and the Bill Gates and the and the and the and the Steve Jobs's of the world our lives are better for that even though they won the race I'm not a billionaire they are and yet we're all better off so the idea of looking at races in terms of again groups collectives in terms of they're ahead they're behind they're winning they're losing no your life is your responsibility make the most out of the trades you have an opportunity to do and if if you are barred from a certain profession by law if you're prevented from participating in a trade by law or if the culture is so bad that you cannot trade with people because they are such racist then yeah that's something to complain about and to the extent that there's racism in America yes that's something to complain about but this is not a race this is not a competition a zero-sum competition this is not a good analogy and by the way it is true it is absolutely true that the fact that the United States of America is held back through slavery and then through Jim Crow the back population that it excluded it from certain activities professions access to certain benefits the fact that we have done that that we did that that this country did that for decades that is a travesty that is unbelievably unjust that is horrific but what is the solution to something like that is to get rid of it to stop it to treat people like they should be treated with equal rights to take away the barriers for opportunities and yes the children of those people who were freed for the first time are going to struggle it's not easy coming out of slavery it's not easy coming out of an environment like Jim Crow and it's a struggle and that's tragic but it is a reality there's no way to fix that reality unfortunately it's hard but the more you hold on to the fact that you are a victim the more you hold on to the fact that the reason you have not succeeded in life is because your great great great great grandparents were slaves the more you hold on to the fact that you don't sit not succeeded in life because 70 years ago there was Jim Crow the less you will be successful less you will be able to run not that race run that whatever it is your life your career the more you believe you're a victim the less happy the less prosperous the less successful you will be in your life if you want to maximize opportunities for people who are once discriminated against what you want to fight for is freedom what you want to fight for is individual rights and what you want to fight for is individualism the antithesis of racism the antithesis of collectivism what you want to fight for is that people be treated not equally in a sense of treated one-on-one equally but based on their character based on their ability based on their qualities based on their qualifications what you want is capitalism and its defense of property rights capitalism and its defense of individual rights and it's tragic tragic for them for all of us that over the last 20 30 years particularly I'd say over the last 12 15 years this country has been moving steadily away from individualism from rights from freedom for maximizing opportunity towards greater and greater collectivism tribalism limitations of opportunity closing gates closing opportunities to people instead of people like this articulate smart people like this fighting for privatizing education so that their children the the family's children and the people they care about children can get the best education possible instead they're writing and voting down towns and cities across the country all right we've got a bunch of super chat questions here this is great thank you all keep them coming particularly the ones $20 or above let's keep going there's still one other point that I want to I want to address that he makes so white privileges it's having a head start due to hundreds and hundreds of years of systematic and systemic racism that's just bizarre to me right I mean there being hundreds and hundreds arguably well over a thousand years of systemic anti-Semitism and I come from a Jewish background for whatever that means for whatever that's worth my ancestors were discriminated against they were harassed they were you know they were killed they were murdered they were slaughtered most of my family were killed in the in the second world war in the Holocaust but before that Russian pogroms and on and on and on my family was slaughtered and butchered going back 1200 years 1500 years 2000 over 2000 years really do I carry with me the baggage of that has that impeded my ability to be successful in life I mean you can make the argument that my family would have been richer but that's me I wouldn't have been richer is my success in life dependent on my success on my father's success was dependent on his father's success was dependent on his father's success and of course it's not true of this guy the guy talking again he came here from as far as I know from the Caribbean or his parents they came here why because the opportunities what about blacks who come from Africa who do very well in America I've told you I think before that the most educated nationality of Americans in the United States today are Nigerians they're the most educated Americans too you know if you if you're gonna be if you're gonna instill in people the idea not only not that they are victims of people acting against them today I mean that there's a solution to we can solve the problem of racism or Jim Crow laws or problem today where there's somebody is mistreating somebody else that can be solved but if you're a victim because for the last several hundred years you'll be missed your ancestors were mistreated you're not being mistreated right now but for the last hundred years you were mistreated there's no solution to that there's no way to stop that there's just no way to solve that problem I cannot go back in time and free the slaves I cannot go back in time and get rid of Jim Crow laws this is the reality we have how do we solve it we solve it by treating people as individuals which both would get rid of racism and create massive economic opportunities for everybody but that of course is the last thing they want and it's the last thing anybody wants so both sides all sides of this argument unfortunately rely on collectivism and statism it's having a head start intrinsically built into your life it's not saying your life hasn't been hard but what it's saying is your skin color hasn't contributed to the difficulty in your life now that's a different argument now if you can say that a particular individual skin color has made his life more difficult than I have sympathy for that and I would like to know why and that is a problem that we can try to fix and it's the problem of racism in our society but your skin color you have to show how in your life your skin color has made your heart life harder and the fact that my skin color has not made my life harder although you could argue that my Jewishness has it's not a privilege that's the way it should be privilege is something special privilege is a grant given to you by the state no nobody's skin color should matter in their lives that's where you want to get to that's the point you want to achieve but the more you emphasize skin color the further away you get from that so yes I would like to live in a world in which nobody skin color made their life hard that skin color was indeed irrelevant for anything important in life for anything in life why just important for anything other than you know I don't know how many vitamins see how much vitamin see your skin absorbs and whether you're susceptible to skin cancer other cancers or whatever skin color should have no relevance to anything other than you know medical issues I live in an affluent neighborhood in Austin Texas and if I ever go to my mailbox and I see a white woman walking up to the mailbox I consciously sit in my car because I don't want her to feel like I'm a threat now that's sad and if that is true that is very sad and this is this is where I want to sympathize with this guy a little bit to the extent that black parents have to have a talk with their kids about how to deal with the police to the extent that a black man is truly afraid to go out into the street because a white one might feel afraid of him to the extent that he feels like he will be discriminated against or to the extent that he thinks that something bad will happen him just because of his skin color whether that is justified or not you don't know that he's a lying person you don't know anything about him but but it's it's it part of the problem is that that is your first response rather than sympathize it if that is a reality that's not good to the extent that there's a reality out there and look you hear this from blacks in this country a lot it's not just him you hear from successful blacks you hear from conservative blacks that there is a conversation to be had with their kids that there is an issue at least they perceive this to be an issue and that's sad if that's true and that's something that something needs to be done about again the thing to be done about it is to fight the racism behind it it's to change people's ideas about race writing is not going to solve this writing only makes this worse I don't know why you guys flip out when somebody says that I mean if he was the only person in the world saying it then okay you could say he's a you know as a liar this but everybody I've been a lot of people say it a lot of people feel a lot of people think that and if that's true that is sad if that's true that is bad that's true that affects all of us and to the extent that there's racism in this country and there's no question in my mind there is then that needs to be dealt with we need to fight against the racism if I'm on an elevator with the white person I try to hit the button first and get off the elevator first because I don't want them to perceive me as a threat because I realized it's like a big point in time whiteness can be weaponized we saw that this past week Amy Cooper Central Park the woman who called the cops on a black man good example this is a really good example she's this woman Amy Cooper not a made-up story real story wanted her to leash her dog because it was illegal to walk your dog without a leash and she used two words that are a death sentence for black people what she called the cops she said there's a black man who's threatening my life both of those things as far as when you compile them together were a lie because that black man he was a bird watcher and while so many people saw that incident and they were heartbroken I as a black man saw that incident and was reminded of 1955 and that till 14 year old boy who was lynched mutilated and killed by two white men because a white woman made a false claim saying that he flirted with in 2017 that white woman recanted that story in 1956 the two white men that killed him they got off and they admitted that they did it because they knew they couldn't be charged again due to double jeopardy now know that he contradicts himself here right because that's the progress that we've made the fact is that the woman in Central Park was embarrassed by what she did the fact is that the woman in Central Park apologized for what we did she was prosecuted for what she did the fact is that she that the black man was not lynched that there was a lot of understanding towards that backman but it's also true that it happened that it happened he was a bird watcher being the police being called on him because he was black so you can say there's no racism out there you can say he makes all this up all you want but the fact is that there's a significant percentage of the population of this country that fear that fears that their skin color would get them in trouble skin color would get them in trouble how is that right how is that good to live in a country where a certain percentage of the population that thinks that their skin color can get them in serious problems and you can dismiss the woman in Central Park as somebody in the chat knows as a Karen which is a stupid way of dismissing anything but it happened and it's real and it didn't happen in a void some stuff like this happens every day people out there are racist implicitly even when they don't think about and that's what needs to be dealt with and the way to deal with it is not to dismiss it to ridicule it to say he's a liar but to bring it back to the principal and the principal is we should treat people as individuals and if there are people out there who don't treat people as individuals if there are people out there who are racist whether they're white whether they're black whether they're Hispanic whether they're any color then no people should be dealt with not necessarily legally but by us by a society we should not be tolerating racists of any kind we should not acknowledge racism we should not promote racism you don't ban it you speak out against it you shun people who exhibit it you avoid having any association with people who are racist I've told you this you know a long time ago I you know there's very few things that people do that I believe us as irrational as to be a racist it's why I won't I won't tolerate it I won't support it in any way it's why I won't participate in this stupid I don't know IQ arguments and debates I mean I will participate in them to say that they're stupid that they irrelevant and that they only promote the worst in people racism must be eliminated racism must be eradicated for the face of the earth we must argue against the racists on this chat YouTube chat and in everywhere else in our lives and that means we need to argue about racism wherever we see it whoever preaches it whoever practices doesn't matter what we need today what I called a 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And this freedom, based on Roe, also continue. Barbara, thank you. I've I've represented Madison County in Congress for many years. Andrea, it's nice to see you. Theo Krat and former Vice President Mike Pence has a new book.  Yes, you watching this. So do you hear me, Greg? Don't buy the book. OK, having said that, though, CNN, because they are bootlickers and they suck up to powerful people, decided to promote Mike Pence in the most shameless way possible by bringing him on for an hour-long town hall, where they ask him questions about certain things that he talks about in the book. Now, there was one portion of this town hall as insufferable as it was. That's that to me. Not the part that you saw where he kind of malfunctioned for a second. But there's a part where he talks about how he tried to convince Trump to accept the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, into his heart. Now, I cut this video like in half. The original clip was like six, six minutes, because Jake Tapper asks him about whether or not he can forgive Trump for, I guess, agreeing with the chanters who thought that they should hang Mike Pence. I'm paraphrasing, of course. And Mike Pence just like talks forever with these long pauses, provides us with superfluous information. It's just it was insufferable. So I cut it down. And basically he gets to a point in his whole shtick where he describes how he tried to get Trump to turn to Jesus. And he leads me to believe that he is telling us about how Trump mocked him, but he doesn't realize that Trump was mocking him. Now, it's entirely possible I'm getting too much into this, but I'll give you my argument when we come back. But based on what he says here, it seems like Trump was lowkey dunking on him and he was clueless about it. So let's watch from what I read in your book and other interviews you've done. It doesn't sound like he ever apologized. And we know from testimony that. He gave the impression to his top White House aides that were there when the crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence. He said something along the lines of, according to testimony under oath, maybe they're right about you. So I come from a different faith tradition that also believes in forgiveness, but it also believes in people seeking forgiveness when they have done wrong to someone. Well, Jake, I don't know what was happening at the White House. I sense the president was deeply remorseful in that moment. Now, I know that's at odds with people's public perception about him, but I want to tell you it was true. I could tell he was saddened by what had happened. And we spoke through it that day and I encourage him to pray. He told me many times that he was a believer and I told him, turn to Jesus, hoping that he would find the comfort there that I was finding in that moment. In the days that followed, I made my way back in that office for another meeting and the president days later was still what I would call downcast. His voice was fainter than I ever remember at any time in our four and a half years together. And after we finished talking through some end of the administration business, I reminded him that I was praying for him and he was dismissive about it. But as our meeting came to a close, I stood up and he was seated at that small table and I looked at him and I said, I guess there's just two things we'll probably never agree on. And he looked up and said, what? And I referred to my role on January 6th and then I said, I'm never going to stop praying for you. And he smiled faintly and said, that's right, don't ever change. There were so many parts of that that I found unintentionally hilarious. The first was when Mike Pence, while talking to Trump after knowing that Trump was angry with him, when Trump was talking about how Mike Pence failed us and he was tweeting this to the January 6th insurrectionists during the riot, Mike Pence thinks that he can convince Trump by saying, hey, you should turn to Jesus. And then he describes how Trump was dismissive of that. Did you honestly think that that would work? Did you think that invoking Jesus to somebody who's obviously a non-believer would persuade him? Trump is an unhinged lunatic. So I don't think that anything can persuade him. But I think the least persuadable thing is invoking Jesus. It's really just insufferable. Like I wish I was a fly in the room to see Trump's face when Mike Pence told him this. But my favorite part was when this was apparently their parting like conversation with each other. Mike Pence said, I'm never going to stop praying for you. And Trump said, that's right, don't ever change. Trump right there, I swear to God, was mocking Mike Pence.  I can imagine Trump saying that in a very patronizing tone. Like, can you imagine the context of the situation where Trump is irate, fuming at Mike Pence because Mike Pence wouldn't do what Trump wanted and steal the election, which he doesn't have the authority to do. But Trump is angry with Mike Pence, already dismissive of Mike Pence when Mike Pence says that you should turn to Jesus. Do you think that Mike Pence saying that is going to get Trump to say that in a way that's like, oh, thank you, Mike Pence, never change. I love you. No, he's saying, never change in a very snarky, patronizing way. And Mike Pence thinks that Trump is being genuine. I love this so much. Pence is a huge dummy. And even as Trump was dismissive of his religion to his face, Pence still did not realize that Trump was being patronizing. Former aides have detailed how Trump has mocked Christianity and his Christian supporters. And he even made fun of Mike Pence talking about how if he asked someone that visited the White House, hey, did you talk to Mike Pence? Did he ask you to pray for him? Like he mocks Mike Pence. He doesn't respect Mike Pence. But Mike Pence thought that he said, that's right, don't ever change in a respectful matter. He was he was saying it to insult you, Mike Pence, but you didn't even realize it. Oh, so good, so good. Now look, I could be wrong in my interpretation here, but based on what Mike Pence said about the dismissive nature of Trump towards Christianity, how could you not deduce that Trump was being patronizing? Now in this clip, Jake Tapper is going to ask Mike Pence whether or not he would support Trump because Trump just made the announcement that he's running again. So will you support him? And I'm not going to tell you what he says, but just pay attention to how long it takes Mike Pence to answer this very simple question. Your former boss, Donald Trump, just announced that he's running for president. Will you support him? Well, it's great to be here at CNN, Jake. Thank you. It really is. Thank you for bringing together so many great Americans, including I heard some people from my home state. A lot of them, a lot of them, Hoosiers in the House. And let me just let me just say that, you know, it was a it was a great honor for me to be a part of the Trump Pence administration. And in four short years, we rebuilt our military. We revived our economy. We unleashed American energy. We appointed conservatives to our courts at every level. But in the end, our administration did not end well. And I write about that in my book. But as I've traveled across the country over the last year and a half, one thing I've heard over and over again, whether it's at the grocery store in Indiana or traveling around the country is people want us to get back to the policies of the Trump Pence administration. They want to see America strong and prosperous and advancing the policies that we advance that left America more secure and 7 million American jobs created. But the other thing that I've heard consistently is that the American people are looking for new leadership, leadership that will unite our country around our highest ideals, leadership that will reflect the civility and and respect that most Americans have for one another. You know, once you get out of politics, you learn pretty quickly that while our politics is very divided, the American people actually get along pretty well every day and and treat each other with kindness and with decency and with respect. And and so I think in the days ahead, whatever role I and my family play in the Republican Party, whether it's as a candidate or simply a part of the cause, I think we'll have better choices, better choices than my old running mate. I think America longs to go back to the policies that we're working for the American people. But I think it's time for new leadership in this country that will bring us together around our highest ideals. Would that be you? I'll keep you posted. You'll keep me posted. All right. Just just to put a button on this, if Donald Trump were to run and win the nomination, would you support him as the nominee? Well, let me say there there may be somebody else in that contest. I'd prefer more. Check. Anyone in mind? I love how Jake Tapper is just chopping it up with Mike Pence as if he isn't some sort of a demon. So after more than two minutes, we finally got to the answer of no. Jesus Christ.  They have to go on some long spiel and they've got to circle around until they finally get to the answer. It's just it drives me absolutely nuts. And he won't say if he'll support Trump, if Trump is the nominee, because he says, quote, I think we'll have better choices, alluding to himself. Mike, do you honestly believe that you're going to be Trump in a GOP primary? Do you honestly believe that? Are you that delusional? I get that you're naive because you didn't realize that Trump was being patronizing to your face. But do you, of all people believe you're going to beat Donald Trump in 2024? I mean, if anyone beats Trump, it'll probably be DeSantis. But even that is probably not very likely because this is a cult. So usually, cults don't just gravitate to a new cult leader willingly. It takes a lot of effort to deprogram them. And you all in your party haven't done that. You've been licking Trump's boots consistently. So they don't really have a reason to migrate to a different leader.  It's delusional to me that he thinks he has a shot. But I mean, ultimately, I don't really want to speak about whether or not he has a shot. I just wanted you to see how long it took him to answer that question because I kid you not, I think that this speaks to a broader issue with politicians. They're too fake. They're too smarmy. They're too phony. I mean, does anyone listening to Mike Pence see him and think, wow, this man is really genuine with his fake facial expressions and, you know, his forced seriousness that he tries to exude. I mean, he's so fake. He may be as phony as someone like Ted Cruz or Tulsi Gabbard. That's how fake Mike Pence is. And so when I see this, it does remind me why I think Trump had that appeal in the first place. As dumb and imbecilic as Donald Trump is, there is this undeniable authenticity to him that I do believe voters are drawn to.     Like at this point, I'm just rambling. But like, you get what I'm saying, right? Like we need less fake people, less opportunistic, careerist politicians. But unfortunately, that's all that exists in DC. And whenever one comes along who's actually serious and is authentic, then they usually get rejected by the establishment and the status quo, you know, like Bernie Sanders, where that's like different side of the aisle here. Either way, I don't know where I'm going with this. I just really don't like Mike Pence. And I love that he's effectively posting his L's in this town hall where he's describing how Trump is shitting on him. That's beautiful to me. And I want to hear more of that. Like maybe if we can get some excerpts from the book where he talks about Trump shitting on him, I would read that.  His videos before everyone else is tremendous. Many people are saying this. Join today, folks. You won't regret it.


Welcome to NTN Nightly. I am General Norville. This edition stops stories. The world of apiculture hailed as a path to innovation in the agriculture sector. The Department of Education calls on society to protect the nation's children and the Parliament to meet Tuesday to authorize among other things financing for COVID-19 response projects. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries, Natural Resources and Corporate is Honourable Ezekiel Joseph says efforts at diversifying the agriculture industry include creating a vibrant apiculture that incorporates the value-added chain of agro-processing. Honourable Joseph shared the plan as the Global Environment Facility pledged its support to these efforts. The Global Environment Facility Jeff Small Grant's program UNDP and the opening ceremony of its 2020-2021 Knowledge Fair and the UE Open Campus Country Conference disclosed that its focus for the next four years would be geared towards upscaling in three key areas. One such area is that of apiculture. The goal is to increase production to include value-added products and gain economies of scale. The Jeff between October 2012 and December 2019 invested in 12 apiculture projects to the tune of $1.22 million in St. Lucia. Agriculture Minister Honourable Ezekiel Joseph explained the government's intention to make apiculture a full-fledged industry. He noted, however, that it is not without its challenges. Apiculture in St. Lucia has tremendous potential and it has been reported that the demand for products is greater than supply. In addition to the work that has been done with the assistance from the Small Grant Program, my government has retrofitted a sector of the Island Reception and Distribution Center, IRDC in Larkai, Denver, and purchased equipment for that facility. This would assist with the processing and packaging of honey. And of course, this is going to result in a sustainable supply and consistency in quality. There are still many challenges in this sub-sector. For example, honey production is seasonal. The size of our production units are very small. The level of fragmentation within the sector is affecting it and there is a need for improved technology. Managing our pace and disease is critical and of course, managing the impact of climate change must be given serious consideration. Richard Mathias, president of Ionola Apiculture Collective, highlighted the variety of products that can be produced from apiculture. Mathias indicated that some products include beeswax for our use in cosmetics, scented candles, propolis and more, which he explained can fetch a hefty price on the international market. This four grams of raw api-toxin unprocessed is worth about $380 USD. If we process it, we'll probably be looking at about $150 USD per gram. That took me just over an hour to collect this. So we are now diversified our portfolio of products so that we are no longer relying on this product. So if there is no honey, we probably make more money selling all these other products than what might be depended, depriving the bees of the food which they store for them to get them through the season. Minister for Education, Innovation, Gender Relations and Sustainable Development Honourable Dr. Gail Rigabet encouraged the inclusion to lead the charge developing innovations for sustainable future. So our nation needs to assume its rightful place and do more to inform the science of today which is an important precursor to tomorrow's science and the outputs therefrom creating new bodies of knowledge. Our curiosity and actions need to provoke answers to the questions that be set us. But where are the scientists, inventors and innovators of today? Where are the novel and groundbreaking luminaries of St. Lucia leading the way in all of the sciences? They are here in this room and following on social media. And therefore today we set a sail on a five month journey of deliberate actions for research and innovation. The opening ceremony was held on Sunday 22nd November 2020. The Bankers Association of St. Lucia has made another significant donation of learning devices to various schools across the island. The initiative was the culmination of the financial group's charitable and educational activities for Financial Information Month. We have more in this report from Herma de Mark. Students and parents from 34 secondary schools across the island gathered at Tyranny Park to receive brand new laptops. The Bankers Association of St. Lucia collaborated with the Ministry of Education in identifying and supplying students in need of their devices to help a better facility to virtual education in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. According to the PRO of the Association, Gordon Julian, out of the numerous donations during the month of October, the donation was in fact at the group's signature event. We are well aware that with COVID-19, it has exposed the vulnerabilities among us in terms of persons inability to access online studies, online schooling because of the absence of the relevant tools to do so. So the Bankers Association of St. Lucia, as we bring the curtains down on Financial Information Month 2020, we thought it was very important as part of our signature project to do something that is impactful, something that is significant and something that is long-lasting. Chief Education Officer Dr. Fiona Meyer was present at the ceremony along with other officials from the Ministry. The officials thanked the Bankers Association for its contribution to the education of the nation's children and encouraged students to make the best use of the devices. It is unfortunate that negative news is so much more important than positive news.  I want to appreciate what's happening here. I want to be on television receiving a resource that is not only for fun, it is going to help me ensure that I can meaningfully contribute to myself and to my family. Parents lauded the commitment of the Bankers to their corporate social responsibility. I would just like to say thank you to the Bankers Association for this worthy distribution of computers to the students and I know each student here is going to put it into very good use. Though this donation was the culmination of activities for Financial Information Month, officials from the Bankers Association of St. Lucia says it will not be their last. The collective group of financial institutions will continue to work together to give back to the people and communities it serves. The Ministry of Education is commemorating World Children's Day, observed on Friday 20th November with an important message. Chief Education Officer with the Department of Education, Innovation and Gender Relations, Dr. Fiona Philip Meyer, is encouraging St. Lucia to start to see children as a valuable part of our society. Our children are people. Our children have a voice. As adults we continue to make decisions for them and sometimes we do not take enough time to listen to them to ensure that what they have to say is taken into account. So this is an appeal to listen. This is an appeal to engage. This is an appeal to applaud our children. And while I do that I must applaud the parents, the educators, the community activists, the people who are on the ground really, really supporting children and making sure that they feel a valued part of the nation's society. So for me in the capacity of Chief Education Officer, I've had to deal with situations of late two very specific ones involving our students who were hurt in two separate incidents, two of our boys unfortunately, and at every juncture it speaks to how can we be more empathetic, more caring, more loving, more encouraging, more positive to our children because sometimes it is really that they go through a lot of their pains and hurts and we may not always reach them as educators but if we do it collectively, our parents, our community activists, together with educators, that triangle can be so strong. So for us we wish all our children happy International Children's Day. We wish you are with us at school but you're not what we want to encourage parents.  Take some time to really show our children that they're valued, that they matter. And so it is to say to us, you know, this too shall pass. The pandemic will be over at some point but in the meantime let us manage effectively, let us deal with it well so that our children come out of it even more resilient, they can persevere and they can also problem solve when there is a situation. So dear parents help us in wishing our children happy International Children's Day as we continue as an education system to really look out and to try our best to make sure that no one falls through the cracks. Dr Maya says she has to deal with incidents where children are hurt. These situations Dr Maya notes speak to the need for more empathy, love, care and encouragement when dealing with children. Because sometimes it is really that they go through a lot of their pains and hurts and we may not always reach them as educators but if we do it collectively our parents, our community activists together with educators that triangle can be so strong. So for us we wish all our children happy International Children's Day. We wish you are with us at school but you're not what we want to encourage parents. Take some time to really show our children that they're valued, that they matter and so it is to say to us, you know, this too shall pass. Dr Maya says although school is currently restricted to online learning due to COVID-19, the pandemic will soon come to an end. She says with effective management of the situation, children can become more resilient, learn perseverance and problem solving skills. The general public is being encouraged to continue adhering to the COVID-19 protocols in order to protect and save lives. The urging comes as the Ministry of Health confirmed more than 220 negative tests on the weekend. On Friday, November 20, 2020, a batch of 105 negative test results were received. On Saturday, November 21, a total of 160 negative test results were received. In accordance with the Ministry of Health's protocol, all individuals who have negative test results are also contacted to be informed of the results. On Sunday, November 22, 16 new positive cases were recorded, taking the total number of active COVID-19 cases to 119. A sitting of the House of Assembly is scheduled for Tuesday, November 24, 2020, with papers to be laid by the Honourable Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, Economic Growth, Job Creation, External Affairs and the Public Service, the Honourable Minister for Infrastructure, Ports, Energy and Labour, the Honourable Minister for Commerce, Industry, Enterprise Development and Consumer Affairs, and the Honourable Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries, Physical Planning, Natural Resources and Cooperatives. Motions for consideration include the authorisation by Parliament for the Attorney General to make an order to declare that the 2017 supplement to the revised edition of the Laws of Zinclucia as specified in the order shall come into force on such date as may be appointed by such order as an authoritative version of the law. Also, that Parliament authorises the Minister of Finance to obtain financing from the Export-Import Bank of Taiwan for the purpose of financing the COVID-19 Response Project. The following bills are down for consideration, Public Finance Management, Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Amendment and Credit Reporting. Tuesday's sitting is scheduled to commence at 10 am. The sitting of Senate is scheduled for Thursday, November 26, 2020, at 10 am. In keeping with the protocols established by the authorities for management of the coronavirus crisis and with a view of ensuring that there are established protocols, Members of the public will not be allowed in the Chamber Gallery during the sittings. Kindly note that the public can view the live proceedings on the National Television Network NTN, Channel 122, Government of St. Lucia Facebook and YouTube. And this is NTN Nightly. Please stay with us. If an infected person coughs or sneezes, or indirectly through rubbing the face with contaminated hands, there is still no specific treatment or vaccine against COVID-19, and as such, the farming community should adhere to some special recommendations. Limit the number of crew members to only essential persons. Practice frequent hand-washing and cleaning of all boat surfaces. Limit contact with the public, keeping a safe distance between each person. Limit unnecessary conversation with customers and pairs during the sale of fish. Wash hands frequently with soap and running water, or use 60-95% alcohol-based hand sanitizer until water and soap are available. Sneeze and cough in a flexed elbow or into a tissue, immediately discarding the used tissue into a bin, and wash hands with soap and water, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer until soap and water is available. And avoid close contact with persons having respiratory symptoms. More than ever before, your important role as gatekeepers of St Lucia's nutritional health and food security should be taken seriously. When you exercise these precautions, you not only safeguard your health, but also continue to allow all St Lucia's access to freshly caught fish and other seafood. Remember, it is our responsibility to ensure our nation eats fresh, St Lucia's best. Welcome back. In keeping with changes in international oil prices and government's application of the modified market pass-through petroleum pricing mechanism, the retail price of LPG 100 pound cylinder has changed. The retail price of gasoline, kerosene, diesel, LPG 20 and 22 pound cylinder remains unchanged. The price change takes effect from Monday, November 23, 2020. Gasoline remains unchanged at $12.13 per gallon. Kerosene remains unchanged at $5.62 per gallon. Diesel is also unchanged at $10.61 per gallon. The 20 pound LPG cylinder remains unchanged at $27.78. The 22 pound cylinder stays fixed at $30.55 and the 100 pound cylinder increased from $163.61. to $164.67. The next adjustment of the retail price of fuel products will be on Monday, December 14, 2020. That brings us to the end of NTN Nightly. Join us next time at 7pm with a repeat at 7am. You can also catch up with us anytime on the St Lucia Government Facebook page or YouTube channel. I am General Norvel.


Which main character, do you believe will die by the end of this season? I think it's Muna. I wasn't just gonna say Muna. Du dout dout. Dout yout. Ah man.  It's Corbin. I'm Rick. And we are on to episode thrice season, season twice. But yes this is, this one's called Vic, Viclang Quota, Viclang Quota. Episode three, our female is getting more and more badass. Guta is healing up. Muna apparently took control of that other city, which you know of course is not actually what happened.  It's been fantastic. They've kind of just carried the same energy I feel like from last season. Agreed. So, but in case you're new here, I just might say it every single time. Amazon only allows five minutes of episode in each reaction of the screen. So that's why it's cut up the way it is. Copyright issues. Sorry, that's so. We only have five minutes of the episode is allowed to be shown in the episode reaction on YouTube. If you'd like to see the full uncut version, go over to Patreon. And you can see our full uncut reaction for the full whatever how long I think this episode is like 38 minutes. The next one is like a hundred an hour. So it's a full-on massive file. It takes up a lot of space on my computer. But you can go check those out on Patreon. But let's just get into it. You ready? Yes. Three, two, one. That was funny, man. Really, really great scene. But who's baby? Is it Tripiti's? Is it Tripiti's father? Is it that the guy she chopped off his dick? I don't know. I don't know. Oh, we're getting to see McBool's home? Wow. I hope McBool does not die. He's one of my favorite characters. He's a great character. What the freak, dude? What? He just went and informed to Gouda about what is McBool informing Gouda? I mean, Goudu? McBool's nephew is informing Goudu. Yeah, but I don't think that means McBool would never do that to Tripiti. I think it's just that the nephew is the informant. Who? Ah, okay. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, that makes sense now. Hmm. This is smart. Yeah.  I can't wait till she kills him. It's going to be great. What? Where do we know that face? It looks familiar. Yeah. Is it what's his name from that Bengali movie where he plays the transgender? No. No, it's not him. Maybe. That's not the only place he's gonna get cancer. Something's going down tonight at Lala's place. Yep. Ooh, are we in for a long shot? Feels like it. They started tracking from the boat, so. Good call, Corbin. I think we got a long shot. Yeah. And nighttime lighting is so hard. You know they're wearing one of those whatever. Oh yeah, steady cam. Steady cam things. Well, if they take this up and over the wall with them. How? I'm getting the chills right now. How? I'm getting the freaking chills right now. They're probably doing it. They're probably pulling them up on a wire. On a cable. They had a cable connected. Wow. They're going to go straight through the freaking window. And I don't think that was an edit. No, I don't think that was either. That was absolutely flawless. That was so beautiful. Shoot him. Shoot him. Oh, that was a good one. Why wouldn't he try to pull that out of his mouth? Beautiful shot. They do love the teeth pulling shots and the brilliant sequence from this steady shot to the kills. Yeah, really nice. Nice. He's got a low sperm count. Nice. Nice ending. Also incredibly short. Yeah. Wow. What was that? A half hour? Yeah, it was basically 37 minutes. That was one of the shorter episodes. Yeah, no joke. But yeah, great ending. I liked it a lot. Great episode. Really good episode. And what's funny is they've brought, and there was some humor in the first season, but it was more, but they've brought more humor this season along. Like, because Family Man, I think has been one of the more funny shows that we've reacted, even though it's not specifically obviously a comedy, they put more comedy in it. I think they've added some of that element to this season, which I love. I think comedy is always a good element when it fits, and it seems to fit really well so far. I'm hoping we'll get to learn, because what they've seemed to do so far through three episodes, we've gotten to know about a lot of characters. They're taking their time, and we're getting some backstory about almost everyone it seems, which is great. It makes me think, hopefully, I don't know if we've heard anything, if you have, I know I haven't, in regard to what they're intending the show to be as far as seasons are concerned. Are they expecting this to be like a 9-10 season show? I don't know. No India shows have really done that. Yeah, I know. I kind of hope they do. Yeah, I mean, Sacred Games was at two, and I think they're done. Family Man's obviously just at two. I think it all depends on how it does and how it was received. Obviously, Amazon's obviously going to be like, yeah, if it's popular, they're going to be like, yeah, make more, but it just depends. It'd be interesting, because OTT is such a new platform for Indian content. Yeah, and it is difficult to tie actors that do a lot of film work into a long period of connectivity to a show, unless the show is an international smash. You know, it's crazy. You know how long it took Hollywood to really get great at television, which is where we currently are for television? Long time, long time. There was obviously great shows forever, but it wasn't the consistently, like people often say that we are currently in the golden era of television, because it's just they spend so much money on it just as much as television. Stars want to be in shows. That's the big one. That's the big one right there, because back in the day, big stars that we have today who've been around for decades and some have passed away like Robin Williams.  Those are three of many who started in TV. Johnny Depp. And then Johnny Depp started in TV and then left. And it used to be back in the day that once you left, you never went back. It was like a step down to go back to TV. It's because I think Game of Thrones changed a lot of it. Once that became basically an event and just as big, if not bigger than movies. Well, and it really, I think it really started to change. Once cable carriers like HBO and Showtime started to create their own content, which was not for the big screen, it was for the small screen. And the actors saw that prior to that, you were so restricted with what you could and couldn't do on primetime television. It's crazy how fast they've already gotten great content in India being such a new, a relatively new platform for them. But yeah, they've yet to have a series go for like a long time like we have, you know, Game of Thrones went for what, eight season, seven season, something like that. But yeah, so it's really incredible that they're already at this level of just greatness in some of these. And I guess it helps that maybe they're getting help from the platforms like a Netflix or Amazon who knows how to make these things already. That's their business. So maybe that's why. But yeah, they're doing a great job. But this, I thought the episode was great. I loved all the backstory that we're getting. And that one shot, I don't know how they did that. I'm guessing, obviously, they had the person from the boat, which is impressive, to track them all the way from the boat. And I'm guessing he was already attached to the wire. And then they, well, yeah, there's brought them up. And then did he, is he the one? Did they just bring them up and then detach him so he could go straight on? Or did they, that's what I would assume. There's multiple possibilities. They could have also just started a cable fly from the boat and just took it all the way up. And then the first time it was actually on a steadicam on an actual cinematographer was when it hit the top of the building. So it actually started on cables going up. And it was on a remote so that it could do because it did do panning, you know, it did, it started looking this way. And then it did this as it went up. Or they did what I know they've done, say on Hill House, which is they create kind of an elevator as it were, just out of wood and connect that to the cable. So the cinematographer came up, stood on the platform and then the cable pulley pulled it up and took it up to the top. Whatever it was, it was seamless. Yeah. That whole sequence was great.  Such creative kills in this. And then now you got Guru wanting to take over Mizipur. Well, and he just, I love that ending right there because clearly with them coming to Lala's place, Guru knows that Munu knows now. So he preempts all of that and sends the message with that letter that says, I resign. Yes, it's fantastic so far. I'm loving this season so far. I think it's personally living up to the hype. But I agree. You know, people are entitled to their opinions. But also, I don't know why anybody would have a different opinion. It's absolutely picking up right where it left off. But also, we're not reading very many comments, obviously. I'm not reading any. Because you guys might have binged to the series. Obviously, we can't do that because we have to film our reactions. So, but that was great. I can't wait for next episode. If you'd like to see the full uncut version of our reaction, go over to Patreon once again and you'll be able to see it there. So, don't do the uncut version!