Welcome back to Steps of Freedom. This is, yay, this is our last Tuesday of the year 2022. Can't believe I've been doing this almost every week since March. We're gonna start again, January 10th, Tuesday night at 6.30, we're going through the miracle list. We'll start with number one and we'll track all the way through. Those classes also will be recorded. Hopefully I'll do something different. I don't know, same topic, but I'll do something different to make it more interesting, but we always do a little bit of teaching and then we break up into small groups and have a discussion, prayer, and oftentimes deliverance. Tonight though is gonna be a little different. We have a guest speaker who's also an artist, as you can see behind me, and we're talking about tongues. We're talking about the gift of tongues and tongues as a heavenly language. I believe tongues is on the miracle list, I forget what number, but it's on there and it's very, very important that you develop your gift of tongues so that you can edify yourself. And if you're strong spiritually, then you can be strong for others and the Spirit of God will flow through you more often, I have found. So I started speaking in tongues every single day, almost two and a half years ago. And it has been, it's made such a difference. It's made really all the difference in my deliverance process and healing. So I'm so encouraged by all of you coming out to be with us tonight, we're thinking, oh, if no one comes, it's okay, we're at least got the streamers online and they'll benefit. So without further ado, I won't give away what exactly we're gonna talk about. You all got a handout. I'd like to welcome my good friend, Joe. He, I like to say, if someone is having trouble with their tongues, I always look for Joe. I say, okay, Joe, he teaches how to get your gift of tongues, he walks you through, he's very patient. And so I asked him, I wanted to do this topic about tongues. I asked him if he would come, he's all the way from Tucson and he agreed to come here and talk about it with us tonight. So let's give him a little applause. Thank you for coming, Joe. All right. I'll give that one a little hander, keep it on track. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. I'm gonna start off in prayer. Heavenly Father, we just wanna thank you for the gathering of the saints here and those watching online and in future broadcasts. We come before you in the name of Jesus. And we thank you for blessing us with all the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. And pray, Heavenly Father, that you anoint our ears and our eyes that we may be all receptive to one another. I don't know exactly what you have planned for this evening, but I pray that I speak only what you want me to share and refrain from saying anything you don't want me to say. I pray that this message be useful and practical and not about just obtaining more knowledge but that we may all receive something, including myself, that we may be more effective in your kingdom, expanding your kingdom. In Jesus' name, amen. Okay, so I only just prepared. I don't even know if I had a month to prepare for this if I could really prepare for it because it would probably be too natural, not supernatural. So I'm pretty much just, I don't really have a form. We just came up with this last night. So how much time did Julie take off already? All right, so I'm not standing here as an expert on tongues. And all I could do is share my understanding of it. So if anything I say doesn't gel with what you understand, all I'm up here to do is try to clarify some things and hopefully encourage you to use your gift of tongues more frequently. And if you don't have the gift of tongues to receive it or release it, I'm still working out some of the complexities of this. Brother Mike did a teaching on Glosa, I think back in 2016. It was one of the last messages he gave before he, before they moved from the house of healing to this building here. So first of all, I wanna thank you guys and such short notice for showing up. So Erica, Erica, Renju, Diana, and I know your faces, I don't recall your names, you on this. So I understand when I try to explain to people the gift of tongues, it's kinda like when I was first introduced to it, I didn't know anything about it. I got it when I first met Mike in November 10th, like 2018. And so I just used it because he told me to because I was so desperate. I was like, I didn't know anything, hardly anything about self-deliverance or anything like that. So I just, I didn't really do self-deliverance. I just prayed in tongues. And in fact, we have this handout, which I'm sure you're all familiar with, Glosa, your supernatural prayer language. And when I was doing deliverance, I would, if I felt like I wasn't, I wanted everybody to leave with something, either healing, deliverance, the miracle list. And if they didn't speak in tongues, I wanted them to go through this handout. And Mike encouraged me to use Glosa when I read the Bible, use Glosa to pray. He didn't really give me a whole rigid formula on what to use. So I kind of just muddled through it. By the way, how many of you speak in tongues or can pray in tongues? So you do, how many don't? Just to make sure, how many do not? You don't? I'm learning. You're learning? I did today, the first time. Oh, great, great. Super. All right, so you speak in tongues? Yeah, I'm learning. You're learning? Okay, so my understanding is when you read 1 Corinthians 14, it goes through the different varieties of tongues. It tries to break it down. And even when Mike went through it, how many of you have gone through his YouTube video on Glosa? Do you know that he has a YouTube video on Glosa? You have? Okay, so that helped me be more encouraged to use it. But even after listening to it, it's still kind of hard to take what he said there and relate to others when I've only got maybe 30 seconds to a couple minutes to explain it to people on deliverance, on the altar calls. So my understanding is that there are two categories of tongues, public and private. And public has the way I understand it. It has two forms. One form, and by the way, probably half what I know is based on like stuff I've read or witnessed learned about from others. So I have not experienced all that I'm hoping to share with you. So I understand in the public realm or the public category of speaking in tongues, you may speak in the church and somebody will understand it. It'll usually be somebody that's having complications or problems or they're an unbeliever. And it's an actual human language, but you didn't learn it. So I might be speaking Spanish and I never learned Spanish. I don't know exactly how that works. If you're really speaking Spanish or if the Holy Spirit is operating in that person so they can hear. And it builds up the person receiving it. It builds up their faith so that they they know that God's interested in them. They come to realize, okay, God's a personal God. He's not a group God. He cares about me. The other kind, nobody understands it and it requires an interpreter. So the only one that understands it is the Holy Spirit. So if I'm speaking in tongues and Julie's interpreting, neither of us understand it except the Holy Ghost is interceding. I speak, Julie interprets and she shares it with the group. The public form is to help others, to help the church or another person in the church. Now I'm just gonna focus on the private side which we share here. And that comes in three forms as far as I know. That's speaking in tongues or praying in the spirit, singing in the spirit and war tongues. Okay, so, incidentally, I just put these up here for reference. Don't feel like you need to write them down. If you wanna take a picture, that's fine. I got a lot of this from a couple of books written by Kenneth Hagan and he spent a great deal of time going into how to use tongues, why they're not used, the objections to it. If you're interested, I could give you the name of the book. Actually I could go ahead and do that now and just mention it. So one is why tongues and the other is tongues. Let's see if I can find the tongues beyond the upper room. That one, that book he goes to extreme detail on the whole episode from beginning to end from the book of Acts. Yes. What is tongues beyond what? It's called tongues beyond the upper room. So I think it's tongues beyond. And I think you can get it on PDF for free. So just look for it and let's, I don't know if I spelled his name right. Just as a by the way, I will say that there's certain things that Kenneth Hagan teaches that I'm not totally in lined with. But I'm willing to bet that there's nobody on earth that I'm not gonna agree with completely even in biblical terms. Nobody has perfect doctrine in my, that's my opinion. But he has some really good insights and that's, so I followed that now. So I'm gonna go to, hopefully I'll line up with this. So the first, so there's 10 reasons why that I've discovered through reading and watching other people operate in other ministries. 10 reasons why we encourage the use of tongues. One, it's the initial sign of a believer. So if we go to, of course you know in Matthew 16, is it 17? It's actually right on my shirt, but it's Mark, sorry. Thank you. Thank you. That's why I put, it was a, that's the only reason I wore the shirt. I'm just kidding. Because I didn't bring notes. With that, so Mark 17 is actually the part I wanna get to, Mark 16, verse 17. I'll just go through the whole thing. Okay. And Jesus said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved and he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe. In my name, they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them.  So the Lord, then after the Lord had spoken these, he received them up to heaven and they sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. So one of the signs of a believer, the second sign is that follows is speaking in tongues. Okay, so it's an initial sign. It's also, the second is found in these scriptures. It's spiritual edification. It's to build up your spirit man. So I believe that my soul and my spirit are always at odds with one another. And so we are in our sanctification process even though our spirit man is perfect when we're born again. We are working to overcome the flesh and one of the ways Mike teaches actually is that if the spirit strong or if the soul is strong then the spirit is weak. And if the spirit strong, the soul is weak. It's like a teeter totter. So one way to build yourself up is by praying in tongues. Also, it's a reminder, so the third is it's a reminder of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So there are times when I've doubted, I've gotten through some depressing situations, things aren't going right. And early on, oh, even now, you start having is can I really believe what I'm reading in the Bible? You just start having doubts. You start listening to the news too much and you start hearing things that contradict the word of God, right? You're not capturing your thoughts. So you think, man, am I even saved? Was I ever saved? So that may not be your situation but if you're ministering to others that's when you have to encourage them. I would recommend you encourage them to start singing or praying in tongues. It's a reminder that the Holy Spirit is there. So the fourth is it's in line with God's perfect will. So I made this whole silly picture. These pictures are just to kind of give you an idea. So one, speaking in tongues is the first sign. Two, what did I say? Two is spiritual edification. So it builds up your spirit, man. Three, it's a reminder. Four, when you pray in the spirit, I think we'll find scripture that supports this. Actually, it's not showing there. That our scripture I think is 1 Corinthians 14. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God for no one understands him. However, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. But he who prophesies edifies the church. So, apologize. I probably should go through all of these really quick and then go to scriptures. So four, it's perfect alignment with God. This is just for visual purposes. We know that God dwells in us, right? And the Holy Spirit is everywhere, right? So it's just for just the memory technique. All right, five is it stimulates your faith. Six, it establishes a hedge of protection when you're in situations, when you're out in the world.  They're playing music you don't wanna listen to. You could just whisper. Seven is it has been known for people. I've read quite a few stories throughout this past century where people have prayed, not knowing why they're praying in tongues, but they feel compelled to get on their knees and start praying for someone. And sometimes they can see who they're praying for. They have a vision. Seven, the seventh reason is praying for the unknown. So you could be praying for somebody that's on another continent. You could pray for somebody that you just briefly met.  Like it's, you know, it's a miracle. Somebody must have been praying for them. And so nine, it's the way to give thanks to God. It's the way to give thanks to God. And sorry, nine and 10. It's a way of subjecting the tongue. So let me just see if I can't organize my notes here. Cattle it. Okay, Mark 16, 17. And these signs shall follow those who believe in my name. They will cast out demons. They will speak with new tongues. That's the first sign. First Corinthians 14, 18. I thank my God. I speak with tongues more than you all. So it's evident that Paul put a lot of emphasis on speaking in tongues. Let's see, where are we at? X24 and 1046. All right, X24. And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with tongues, with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 1046, for they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. This is not cooperating here. First Corinthians 14, 14. So I've already went through that. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself but he who prophesies edifies the church. First Corinthians 14, 12. Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel. Therefore, let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my Spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the Spirit and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the Spirit and I will also sing with the understanding. Let me go back to this. So in, are we at 1st John? 1st John 14, 16. A reminder of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit before Jesus says verse 14. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. If you love me, keep my commandments and I will pray the Father and he will give you another helper that he may abide with you forever. The Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him nor knows him but you know him for he dwells with you and will be with you. So I'm not sure if I should dwell in this area but I was just reading earlier this morning that there's a confusion, there's a lot of confusion about when you get baptized by the Holy Spirit and who the Holy Spirit's for who speaks in tongues, who doesn't speak in tongues. So I was reading that a reminder to me that Jesus, so there's like the way I understand it there's three baptisms, okay. Jesus was in a sense baptized three times. I'm losing, using that term baptism roughly in Hebrews, it talks about there's many baptisms. So Jesus came to John the Baptist and he was baptized in the water of repentance even though he had no sin. He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. At that moment he also was baptized with the Holy Spirit. He received the Holy Spirit, all right. He was tested for 40 days and it wasn't after he was tested and overcame the devil that he was baptized with power. So there's baptism the baptism of repentance, the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of power. So I think that that kind of follows along the lines with the apostles. They spent many years with Jesus so they were being washed but they learned who Jesus was. It took them a while to realize, okay, he's not just a prophet, he's God. And so they got a newborn experience. It doesn't really talk about the apostles water being water baptized. I don't know, maybe they were baptized when they were following John the Baptist before Jesus came along. But they, I believe they were already baptized with the water of repentance. It is in, I'm going off-stray from this because I feel kind of flat going through these scriptures like this. I'm trying to find if it's in where Jesus actually set before after he was crucified, raised from the dead, he visited the apostles and he went, he told them receive the Holy Ghost. I'm trying to find the scripture. I apologize that I don't have it at hand right now. Let's see if it's not here. John 20, 22. John 20. Okay, thank you. All right, I'll go through, I'll start at verse nine, 19. John 20, 19. Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week when the doors were shut, where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, peace be with you. When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. So Jesus said to them, again, peace to you. As the Father has sent me, I also send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, receive the Holy Ghost. Now, I was listening to Derek Prince, who's an expert at Greek studies and the translation of Greek words. And he was explaining that in the original Greek, the word that's used for breathing is like you would breathe into a flute. So, or like in an instrument, a musical instrument. So I'm seeing that Jesus, if these were instruments, he's not breathing in all of them at once. I've heard, that's not the first time I've heard this, where he actually went to each one of the apostles, receive you the Holy Ghost, receive you the Holy Ghost. So, it's interesting. It's not until the book, yeah. Yeah, I didn't think of it that way, but it's not until the book of Acts where Jesus commands them to wait for me until you receive power. So, let me go to, I think it's in the book of Acts. One, one, eight. One, four, and one, eight, okay. All right, and beings, let's see. Is this it? And, okay, Acts one, four, and being assembled together with them, Jesus commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which he had said, you have heard from me for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit, not many days from now. Therefore, when they had come together, they asked him saying, Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? And Jesus said, it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in his own authority, but you shall receive power. Now, since I've been studying under Mike, I have a tendency to look up every time I see power because so many times it means authority, sometimes it means power. So there's a mistranslation, but I look it up in King James and it actually, oops, messed that up. Okay, it actually, but you shall receive power, which comes from dunamis. So there's exosia, which means authority and dunamis, which means power. So we have, with regard to casting out demons, we have authority, but with regard to the gifts of the spirit, we operate in power. Okay. What is exosia? So exosia is the Greek word, which is translated into authority. And the reason I bring that up is because many times the King James translates it into power. It's a mistranslation. And sometimes I think they do the opposite with dunamis. They translate it into authority, but I like to look it up just to make sure, just for clarification. My tablet's not working here. Okay, I'm gonna pause right here for a second. Do you guys, do you have anything that you want me to address more? Would you like me to go into the scriptures or would you like to go more into, yeah, like any questions that might? Maybe for me, just so I understand, because times has always been, I don't know, nobody seems to want to talk about it. But I'm just really curious about the difference between the public and the personal. Like, what would be, are there examples spiritually where it was public? And then are there any examples personal? I mean, I know that there are some public examples. Are there personal examples in the scripture? So the, Mike spent a whole, the whole teaching on it and I'm not sure why he didn't do it again, but I know that he was reluctant to do the first one. It is a very controversial subject. And I think that I believe a lot of denominations exist because they fight over tongues. No, you're not supposed to speak in tongues in church or you're not supposed to speak in tongues unless there's some kind of order. There's, it's only for self, it's only for the first signs. You show it and that's it. You never use it again. Some say, not everybody has it. So we... That's how I was taught. Right. So it's... Okay, so yeah, I guess I didn't clarify that well. So a lot of people confuse public tongues with private. So they think you speak in tongues, you always have to have an interpreter. But that's public, that's for public. Private tongues is when you're by yourself. Now you can be in a group and do it. And if I go into do my best to... Let me go into 1 Corinthians 14. Actually, I'm gonna go into 1 Corinthians 12 where it first addresses it. I'm just gonna start from the beginning. 1 Corinthians 12. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant.  Let me go... I'm gonna use a KJ3 actually, because it actually... You know that when you were nations, how you were led, being carried away to voiceless idols. Because of this, I make known to you that no one speaking by the spirit of God says Jesus is a curse and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord if not by the Holy Spirit. And there are varieties of gifts, but the same spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, yet the same Lord. And there are varieties of workings, but the same is God, the one working all things and all. And to each one is given the showing forth of the spirit to the profiting of each one. For through the spirit is given one award of wisdom to another award of knowledge, according to the same spirit. And to another faith by the same spirit. To another gifts of healing by the same spirit. And to another workings of power. And to another prophecy. And to another discerning of spirits. And to another kinds of languages. And to another interpretation of languages. In the New King James version, it says different kinds of tongues to another interpretation of tongues. So there's actually another scripture where Paul asks, says, do all have this gift? Do all have that gift? Do all speak in tongues? The implication is the obvious answer is no. So then people use that and say, see, not everybody speaks in tongues. So it gets confusing because he's talking about public speaking in tongues. In front of a whole group where there's a translator or somebody it's specific to some person in that group. But if you go to 1 Corinthians 14, it contradicts that objection because it says, for he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God for no one understands him. However, in the spirit, he speaks mysteries. Then in verse four, it says, he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. Therefore, it's not to be translated because it's not meant to edify the church. It doesn't say he edifies the church. It says he edifies himself. So when I read this, because I don't know Greek, I have to learn by experience, trial and error. Honestly, for the longest time, the first year, I was on and off speaking in tongues just because I trusted Mike's fruit and he told me to do it, so I did it. But there's always, I think the most, I've heard this over and over again, the most obvious thing that you hear in your mind, but it's really the enemy is you're just making noise. You're not really speaking to God. Because people think that if they're doing anything supernaturally, they're gonna feel it. But your feelings are not in your spirit man. As far as everything I learned, your spirit man does not have feelings. Your soul has feelings. Now your spirit man can engage with your soul and cause you to feel weeping, crying, sadness. There's times when I start weeping and crying, and I don't know why I'm praying for someone. I'm like, I'm not even sad, why am I crying? Or you start feeling joy, supernatural joy. And why? Nothing in your life has changed for the better. You still owe that money. You still, the so-and-so is still mad at you. Why am I feeling light? You're speaking in tongues. And so, yeah, so the scriptures that I kinda try to key in on over and over is 1 Corinthians 14, one through four and 12 through 15. 1 Corinthians 14, one, pursue love and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God, for no one understands him, not even himself. And not even the interpreter. Right. And so, speaking that kind of tongues is private. It's not meant to be interpreted. And that's where it gets confusing, because you think, well, how come he gets, so only the people that have the gift of tongues, I guess that's where it gets confusing. So the gift of tongues for self edification is something you have when you're baptized. You don't learn it. People try to learn to speak in tongues. The way I've been taught, you don't learn it. You release it. You already have the full vocabulary within your spirit man. The gift of speaking, like we talk about the nine gifts and one of them is speaking in tongues and interpretation in tongues. Those are the public ones. But to us, they may sound the same because they sound like a foreign language. And every time I hear a foreign language, it sounds kind of funny to me. It's like, are they even speaking a language or they're just moving, you know? But it is a language. And so, he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church, even so you, verse 12, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel. Therefore, let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. So you can speak tongues and pray to God that you can interpret your own tongues for yourself. When I'm praying in a tongue, I might be thinking of somebody I'm praying for. I might be even myself. And I know that it's the perfect prayer. It may not be praying exactly what I want. I might be praying, Lord, I don't know how I'm gonna pay this bill.  He's not gonna get that money. The bill's gonna go away or something, right? I don't know what I'm praying. I just know it's perfect. Which kind of brings us to faith. You have to have faith to speak in tongues because your soul's always receiving what the enemy's saying and you're like thinking, what is this a waste of time? I could have been reading the Bible for an hour instead of praying in tongues for an hour. I could have been making money to pay that bill. I could have, you know, so it takes faith to speak in tongues. So how much time do we have? Are we out? Well, Oh, it's 7.30. We need for you to finish up the 10 reasons that you're going through. So, well, I went through the 10, but I don't know if it's, actually I went, this eight is for recharging. There's times when, when I personally have felt physically tired, physically exhausted, mentally exhausted, emotionally exhausted, and I'll pray in tongues, hoping God, you know, praying that this whatever my problem is, like I'll find a solution. You know, that's my way of praying with the understanding. I'm thinking about what I'm, what I want the Lord to do. And I might go, I might pray and I might go into singing and I'll actually start feeling lighter and I'll start feeling like I, like I just got refreshed, like I just got sleep somehow. It doesn't always happen, but I have experienced that and there's no ex, I can't come up with an explanation why, other than it's supernatural refreshing. It's a way to recharge. Yes. Personally, I don't know if anybody experiences this, but when I'm praying in tongues, I've done the experience deliverance. I, I didn't, yeah. From nowhere and, yeah. I'll be like, I don't know, do other people do this? Yeah.  Early on. I'm working a lot of praying in tongues. I'm glad you brought that up. I wasn't going to bring that up, but I will confess that my first year, since I met Mike, I would, I would pray. I didn't know about, how to cast out specific names or symptoms. And I would do what I could, but then I'd pray in tongues. And after a few minutes, it wouldn't, I wouldn't ever time it. I would just, I wouldn't even know why it's happening. I'd start coughing. I'd start like, like dry heaves and stuff. And, and I would say, yeah, I would ask about it. And I would tell people, I think I'm getting delivered while I'm doing tongues, but I'm not calling the spirits out. And so, yeah, that's, so you're not alone in that. I don't have scripture to back it up. Yeah, so, it actually, in first Corinthians 1421, it actually references, it's not a good reference there. It actually references Isaiah 2811 and Deuteronomy 2849. I have a cross reference, but Paul actually says, it is written in the law, with men of other tongues and other lips. I will speak to this people, and yet for all that, they will not hear me. Therefore tongues are for a sign. This is where it gets confusing. Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to unbelievers, but prophesying is not for unbelievers, but to those who believe. So, for the longest time, I just spoke in tongues, not because I had solid scriptural evidence that I could debate somebody else with, you know, and just say, well, no, it is legitimate. I was doing it because I trusted Mike's fruit, and I trusted others that used it. I heard it's basically experience. And so, I guess I would say that people that are against tongues that say there's no scripture for it, I always forget to come back with the there's no scripture against it. People like say there's no scripture that we should do this. Well, there's no scripture we shouldn't. The whole Bible is like Mike says, it's like the tip of an iceberg. And we don't see, I think we should always go to the word of God to make sure that we're aligned with the word of God. But I mean, if you need to overcome that, I mean, there's plenty of scriptures. When I read it, it really explained a lot. When I got all these scriptures from that book, and actually mostly this book here. Okay, I'm gonna go through these real quick. I'll try to, okay. John 14, 16, 17. And I will pray the father and he will give you another helper. Romans 8, 26, 27. Likewise, the spirit also helps in our weaknesses for we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the spirit himself makes intercessions for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is because he makes intercessions for the saints according to the will of God. So that's four. So it's the perfect will of God. You don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm praying, but I know that when I pray, it always gets answered.  So when the Bible says praying in the spirit, praying in the Holy Spirit, it means praying in tongues. So Jude five, actually that was, yeah, building up your faith. So I'm just gonna move on. So 1 Corinthians 14, 27, 28. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three each in turn and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in the church, let him speak to himself and to God. So right there, it talks about, he's not saying don't, don't speak in tongues. He's just saying don't do it in the church because you need an interpreter. Is that clear? Is that kind of muddled? No, I get it. Does that, okay. Ephesians 6, 18, praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for the saints. So actually, I think this is the one I added myself because when I read in the book about praying for people and not knowing what their problem is, you don't know what their needs are.  And you know that your prayers answered. You don't exactly know why, but sometimes you'll feel a compulsion. Now, I've not, I don't recall personally going through this, but there are, there's a lot, he did a lot of writing in it, but there was no scripture. And so I thought the closest scripture for that is this one. When you're praying for other people in the ministry, you don't always know what their needs are. You know, in general, somebody's sick, somebody's in the hospital. And I'm reluctant to pray in English or any other language I know, I pray in the spirit knowing that it's gonna get answered because I don't know what they need, but God does, Father God knows, and the Holy Spirit knows. Isaiah 28, 11, 12, for with stammering lips and other tongues, he will speak to this people to whom he said, this is the rest with which you will cause the weary to rest. This is the refreshing, yet they would not hear. They would not hear. So it's refreshing to those that use it. That would be, is that this one, are we on eight now? Yeah. So it's refreshing, but he predicted in Isaiah that people would have a problem. That's how I read it. Yep, they would not hear. They would not, it's like, they're gonna have a problem with tongues. People are gonna be against it, even though I'm giving this gift to them. Okay, I already went through 1 Corinthians 14. What is the conclusion then? James, all right, so the other reason to use tongues is it controls the tongue. James says, that's not popping up. For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body. Indeed, we put bits in horses mouths that they may obey us and we turn their whole body. Look at the ships.  Even so, the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.  The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body and sets on fire the course of nature and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and earth of reptile and creature of the sea is tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly, evil, full of deadly poison. With it, we bless our God and Father and with it, we curse men who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields, both saltwater and fresh. So that's the 10th reason. It's a way of subjecting the tongue. Okay. Yeah. So what do you do when you come up and meet somebody that did deliverance and then you wanna help them speak in tongues? What, like this sister right here, she came in today, Jess, and she started a little bit there, but her confidence isn't there. So maybe you'd be open to going through, because I know it goes through an exercise to try to cause a plumber to come out. Yeah. Well, I heard Andrew Womack talk about it. I was watching years ago. I'm starting out being baptized in the spirit, and I just, I wanted to do it, but it was finding my own demon, so to speak, and I just, well, I felt stupid. And I, you know, I don't say that anymore because I don't receive that, because I'm not. But tonight, finally, I had a breakthrough and I just didn't let that spirit of perfection. I'm not accepting that. So I just was able to just, it feels very babylike, but that's what, I just remember Andrew Womack saying, he said, just babble, it's okay. You have to just let it work. So I don't know, I'm just saying, I'm just telling you what I've heard. And another lady sat with me years ago, and she sat there and just really tried to coach me, and I just couldn't, I just, I don't know what my problem was, but I have an idea. So I had the same problem. And brother Mike had me up at the front, and I was like, you need to praise God, you know, he's walking me through, trying to get me, give me the speaking times, and not too much time passed, and he looked at me and he was like, you know, people that are highly intelligent and people that have low intelligence, both on either spectrum have a very hard time speaking in tongues, he's like, are you analytical? And I'm like, over the top, right? I work in IT, I'm a problem solver, and this doesn't make sense to me, because I wanna know how you do it. Tell me how to do it, then I can follow the steps and I'll do it, but you're not telling me what to do. And he told me, your mind is not gonna serve you here, you need to get rid of that.  I had to really practice. It took like more than a month, and one day I just was upset at myself, right, being that kind of perfectionist, and I said, I'm done with this, I'm going in my room, I'm shutting the door, and I'm not coming out until I get my gift of tongues. And it only took me about 15 minutes, but I had to give up.  Yeah. For the YouTubers, do you think you could walk us through the steps that you do? Okay, so, I don't really, I know it's hard to believe, Julie, but. But can we never spoke in times before and teach us? I don't really, people think I have like this methodical way of doing it, but I don't, it's like, it's a spontaneous, and it's tailored to the person, and I try different things. I guess I could go with what I've tried with different people, but I don't. Next, someone would be willing to be. I don't know where it comes from. So, does somebody. I don't know if I'll pretend to be fine. All right, let's, who has, who has like broken tongues? Okay, would you, what's? I don't know, I don't know. Would you, would you mind coming up? Okay. I don't know. All right. I'm very new, and I'll get to it. All right. Yeah, yeah, this will be good. All right, go ahead. Alloham, ha'udal, alloham. Okay, so what I hear is you're slurring, almost like, like your tongue's too thick, like you just came from the dentist, right? So it doesn't matter. It's just, I'm just, that's how I know that it doesn't sound quite like a language. And what I usually found from Mike is it could be because you still have fear. You still have unforgiveness either towards yourself or towards someone else. However, you can use your tongues to help you develop that forgiveness to get over that fear. And over time, your tongues will, as a constant, it's like a recursive formula. While you use your tongues, you'll get rid of whatever's blocking it and then your tongues will get unblocked and then it just keeps, they feed each other, right? Because you're overcoming it by your own faith. So what I say is, repeat after me, Rosta. Rosta. Denesto. Denesto. Now, did you see how you enunciated clearly like it's a language? Okay.  I think we've done this exercise before. So when I say resto, I want you to say, resto, okay. Resto. Denesto. Denesto. Slow. Denesto. Slower. Denesto. Good, okay. Now I'm gonna say it slow. I want you to say it fast. Anestero. Anestero. Gorishti. Gorishti. Okay.  All right. I want you to start off with some that are clear. So go ahead and say one. Even if you repeat it, I don't even care if you repeat it. Ahodean, ahodean, ahodean, Jehu. Slow it down. Jehu. Jehu him. Keep going. Jehu, ahodea, Jesuva. Denesto. Denesto. Denesto, Jesuva, Jesuva, Elion. Grishti. Grishti. Grishti, Elio, ah, Elio. Okay, relax. Okay. Relax. All right, we all love you here. Okay, okay, sweetheart. Keep going. Aliyahim, Elohim. Good. Can you all hear that it's a lot clearer than when you first started? So you just gotta keep at it. Okay. Now let's try something else because sometimes this will break it up. Start singing.  Ahodean, Jehu him. Elohim, Elohim. Jesuva, Elohim. Aliyahim. Okay. Would you care to come up? You're probably gonna break through it because. Keep your mind right here. Okay, okay, there we go. Okay. Let's go through it. Okay. Relax. All right. Lord Jesus. Lord Jesus. Oh, just relax. I'm just praying for both of us. Good. Lord Jesus, what's her name? I'm Jess. Jess. Heavenly Father, I'm here with your beloved daughter, Jess. And I perceive that she is too eager to try to please you because she has this misconception that you're not already pleased with her. And just to prove that you're pleased with her, we're going to purposely make mistakes and sound as horrible as we possibly can.  Go ahead. Say something impossibly, inconceivably impossible to understand. See, that's where I struggle. Okay. Okay, then struggle. I just feel pressure right now. Okay, repeat after me. Okay. Vishti. Vishti. I see how to even say that. And you already said a different language. You already have your okay. So you already sounded good when I asked you to not sound good. I'm not a perfectionist in the actual. Okay. No, that was the Holy Ghost. I'm pretty sure. Okay, good, good. All right. It's good. Okay. Relax. Okay. Put your hands right here. Okay. Just relax. I'm gonna whisper. I want you to say it loud. Vishti. Vishti.  Vishti. Vishti. Prashti. Prashti. Now pick one of those and repeat it. Vishti. Vishti. Vishti. Keep going. You could repeat one you already said. Vishti. Keep saying it. Vishti. Prashti.   Keep going. There you go. Keep going. Don't try to perfect it. Try to mess it up. I dare you. I defy you. Vishti. Vishti. Astral. I want like a book. Okay, try this. Try this. Repeat the vowels. Give me the vowels. Five vowels. Five vowels. A. A. English. Oh, go on. Oh, dude in Spanish is okay. Yeah, right? A, E, I, O. V. V. A, A, E, I, O, O. Good. Okay. Now, add a consonant. Just pick any one. What is a consonant? You gotta remind me. Okay, B. B? Oh, okay. Now this is really gonna be embarrassing. Okay. Let's go ahead and do it. Add B to each vowel. Just, okay. Ab. Oh my God, I think that's, ab, ab. Ooh. Okay, that's perfect, because that's not what I wanted you to do, but you did something even better. Good. Just keep doing it? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I gotta think what the vowels are. Okay. All right, that was just the reason I do that is to throw off the spirits. Don't ask me why. I've done this and it works with some people. Okay. All right, let's close your eyes. Start speaking. I'll throw in something that you can hear. Di shi. Di shi. Ero. Ero. Koshta. Koshta. Keep coming. Elohim. Rava. Evo. Yastro. Elevino. Good. Okay, let's try something I've never tried before. Come here for a second.  What was your name again, Jess? Okay. Let's do it. And just start speaking. Okay. Five, that's one. One. Two. Okay. Close your eyes. And just pick out a word from each of them. Okay. All right. Okay, so you're gonna have to close your eyes to focus. Okay. All right. Everybody start speaking. Ora destan, let's have a shot. Okay, go ahead. Good. And let it be in the shot from the right side. Okay, louder. Don't try to compete. And if it doesn't sound like them, better. Okay. Here, maybe it's better if you turn this way. Okay, yeah. Okay. Okay, go ahead. Good. Good. Good, louder. It's a good roll. Louder. Louder. All right, I want you to, there's a technique called war tongues where you get angry at the devil. I want you to start speaking that right now. Okay. Go ahead. Desto. God, a desti. She had a desti.  Christo. Get mad. Rama. Go. Good. Shailahim. You got it. Good. Ava. Rama. Is Toro. Good. Sveshti. Sveshti. Arata. Ta. Oral. Teh. Maha. Good. Keep going. Every once in a while, I want you to say thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord Jesus. Sveshti. Toro. Sveshti. Oral. Oral. Sveshti. Good. Okay, now I want you to start singing. Okay, everybody start singing. Oradeesh Sita. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Rama. Good. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Rama. Sveshti. Sveshti. consistent wraps. Sveshti. Sveshti. Sveshti. Thank you, Lord Jesus. Good. Sveshti. Thank you, Lord Jesus. Thank you that you gave me the words. Sveshti. Sveshti. Sveshti. All right, let me show you something. So I think I failed to mention the three forms. So we have... Thank you. Yeah, we're good. Thank you so much. Wait. One more thing. So I want to show you. Okay. So there's the three forms. There's speaking, which I was showing you. Singing, which is when we're singing, is the highest form of worship, all right? That's more better than using instruments, the highest form of worship. Prayer is you're speaking directly to God. Now you were doing a little bit of war tongues. That's something that I learned here, but... And I didn't know, well, what's, you know, does anybody else teach that? I actually listened to Derek Prince talk about that and he was addressing, have you ever noticed that when you're speaking in tongues, you get kind of an anger, angly flair to you. And it just comes out like anger. So that's... Well, that's worth... Actually, I think he gave it a name that implies war or battle tongues or something like that. So that might be what you want to use. But when you... So I've noticed with you, you speak more clearly when you're singing. And I've noticed that with some people they speak, their singing isn't as good. It's not as clear as when they're speaking. So now I think when you go home, you're going to...  You're going to do great when you get home. I sing in my truck a lot, which is good for this one. So we encourage people to speak in tongues half an hour a day. Start off with 30 seconds a day, 30 seconds nonstop until you can build it up to five minutes, 15 minutes. And then you'll find you will have time. Most people have enough time while they're driving to speak in tongues. And you're... Again, the main reason is you're building yourself up. You have one of these fliers? Okay, that's it. So that kind of encourages you. So I try to read the Bible speaking in tongues, at least early on. That's what I did. Whenever I come up with an idea that it seems like a revelation or something that I want to work on, I realize something I want God to address.  I'll pray in tongues that it go into my spirit, man. So anyway, yes? I was going to say when I got my tongues by the bedside, just asking the Lord and receiving it. But one of the two things that I struggled with, number one, is that I was making it up. Number two was that it doesn't work. So later on in life, when I hit a hard spot, I started to reactivate it. Those are the two lies the enemy comes at with it. The only way you would know it works is if you use it. So that is an activation of your faith. The more you practice it and speak it, then you will see it works.  Right.  Number one. And number two, it doesn't work. But the only way you can defeat those lies is by practicing it.  So the more you practice it, you are actually stretching out your faith because it takes faith to actually speak it because you don't understand it. So one of the things I started with tongues was getting really mad with those demons that stole in my life.  It's been causing more damage than, you know, help. But when you recognize that it's not the people you're fighting, it's the spirits behind the people, you start taking war and you get mad. So when I started umpating my madness and my hate towards what came at me all these years to destroy, I got a little bit more ump-toothed tongues that he said war, war tongues. And that took me to another level of fight and faith. But it takes faith to experience that, to stretch that out and to say, Lord, I believe your word, they're not warring against flesh and blood, but against powers and wickedness and hide places and I'm going to take it by the horn. I'm going to war. And then you stretch out your faith little by little and you begin, the Lord will, the Holy Spirit will show you that it's working. Things will start falling off of you or in your atmosphere and you build that faith in it. And then the more you use it, the more you have faith in it. And then the other scripture, he was saying, pray without seizing. Personally, I don't think pray without seizing is possible with your mind, with English. But if you pray in tongues, you can actually pray without seizing because you're always seeing it under your breath. I mean, I make it, I do that sometimes at work or wherever. You don't know I'm praying in tongues, I'm just speaking under my breath. So you can pray without seizing in tongues. But in English, I'm sure you will cease because your mind cannot constantly just go through one prayer. So I'm sorry. No, that was excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Renju. So also, you could sit down if you want to. So I found, for me personally, other times I've used tongues is if I have a negative thought and I don't exactly know how to capture it. I'm like, I don't have a scripture to kick it out, you know, I just, I'll just start speaking in tongues. Now, if I'm at work or something, I'll just, it's nobody hears, right? Yes? I just want to say something really fast. I noticed that I actually tried to look up some of the things that I said. And sometimes they are actually words like, I noticed that she said two words, Abba and aloham, and aloham is the name of God and Abba is father, right? So there's something to build your faith. Right, right. So yeah, I've heard that before. I've said, I've said words and one of my prayer partners would look that word up. And it's a word I've never heard of. It's like an Indian word that, and so it's like, okay. But anyway, and the other way I'll use tongues, if you have trouble sleeping, I remember one time I just tossing and turning, I could not, I could not go to sleep for hours. And I'm like, okay, that's it. I'm going to not sleep anyway, I might have what's well speaking tongues. And within like 15 minutes, I just, I was on my knees praying in tongues, I just, I didn't even know I fell asleep, right? Why?  I don't know. He doesn't want us to speak in tongues because he can't. He's teaching. Right. I have a small testimony I'd like to share and that maybe we'll conclude. Okay. I was listening to John Ramirez, I believe it was John Ramirez, and he was telling about, maybe it was not him, I don't know, I don't think it was. It was a minister and he was saying that he was, he was talking to a former witch. And she was saying how in her neighborhood, you know, there are the Christians, they, they have a flame of fire. I know we knew in the spirit world who the Christians were because they had a flame of fire. And he goes, and then there was another type of Christian who spoke in a funny language. And he said, oh, do they have the flame of fire? He's like, not a flame of fire, their whole body was on fire. And we, we couldn't stand to be around them. That would be hedge of protection, kind of, be a flame of fire. So when I noticed when we speak in tongues or war tongues, when I pray for somebody, the spirits do react, they don't like it. Right, right. Yeah. So when we're doing deliverance, a lot of times we'll speak in tongues, maybe trying to stimulate or usher, usher a word of knowledge. Or sometimes it's just we're speaking in tongues during deliverance, casting out devils. We don't know the name of it, but the Holy Ghost does. So that helps. Well, I could tell you one experience and that helped you, too, on that same note. I was still in my deliverance journey, still am, but not as heavily oppressed as I was.  Very cute, not really. And this one night, one of the ministry team was trying to help me, you know, he's casting out. It started manifesting. I was on the floor and another, another person here came behind me and started singing in tongues.  I recognize that it hated the tongues, but I could feel it manifest the rage from the tongues, specifically started crawling away from her. That's when I recognized how powerful singing in tongues was. Wow. Yeah. Wow. They hated. Yeah. I know, I know that personally, when I go through an episode of, for whatever reason, depression, that I'll start singing in tongues. And when you're, when you're in these certain situations, you just know because you've been told to do it or it's worked in the past. But sometimes it's like, did it ever work? Or have I always been depressed? I think I've always been depressed. I've never had a, it's like a blind veil is over your mind. And so you, at least that's been my experience. And so I'll just start speaking or singing. I'll start singing in tongues, even though I don't want to. And I've heard it say, I can't remember where, which scripture it is. It talks about praise as a sacrifice. When we think of sacrifice as something you're giving, you don't want to give it, but it's, it's not an offering, it's a sacrifice. So sometimes praising is a sacrifice.  You know, I don't, it doesn't matter what, what I'm going through. God is still on his throne. Jesus Christ is at his right hand. The battle is fixed. The war is won. And you're just praising, even though you don't feel like it. You're tired, you just do it. And you start feeling like I've, I've felt like the oppression kind of go away and start feeling hopeful just doing that. So. Okay. All right. Um, all right. Heavenly Father, I just thank you for the cooperation of everybody here, the questions and the answer, and the, um, the answers that we just all cooperated and, uh, I pray that, um, again, if I said anything that was not from you and that you did not want me to say, I pray it just be forgotten. If there's anything that you want to magnify, I pray you bless it and pray you bless all the ministers here, all the people that came here this evening, those watching online and in future broadcasts, um, bless their families, bless their relationship with their families with you in Jesus' name. Amen.


So how can we define multiplication using the k-on-apostulates? And so our definition is this. We're going to define n times 1 to be n itself, and then n times the successor of k is n times k plus n. Now let's prove an important theorem for any natural number. Multiplying by 0 gives you 0. So you know we're going to need the definition. And from our definition, we know that n times 1 is equal to n. Now we'd like to say something about 0, and the thing we might remember is that 1 is the successor of 0. So n times 1 is the same thing as n times 0 star, but our definition of multiplication says that that's n times 0 plus n. And since these two are the same thing, we know that n is equal to n times 0 plus n. Our definition of addition tells us that n and n plus 0 are the same thing. We went to a lot of trouble to prove commutativity, so n plus 0 is the same thing as 0 plus n, and we subtract n from both sides. Wait, we can't do that because we haven't defined subtraction, and we haven't proved that you can subtract the same thing from both sides. On the other hand, we have proven cancellation that if we have the same thing on both sides, we can just get rid of it, and so we get 0 is equal to n times 0. And from this point, we can prove all the usual rules of arithmetic of addition and multiplication. Again, we're not going to do all your homework for you. We'll leave most of these proofs as exercises. All right, we'll do 1. Let's prove that n times 1 is equal to 1 times n, the commutativity of multiplication by 1. So we notice that this is the same as proving that 2 times 1 equals 1 times 2, 3 times 1 equals 1 times 3, 4 times 1 equals 1 times 4, and so on, so an induction proof seems appropriate. So our base step, we want to prove that 1 times 1 is equal to 1 times 1. Okay, sometimes proving the base step is pretty easy. Now, our induction step, suppose our statement is true for n, we would like to show that it's true for n star. So let's consider n star times 1, our definition of multiplication tells us that that is n star. 1 times n star, our definition of multiplication tells us that's 1 times n plus 1. Now, we assume that 1 commutes with n, so that's n times 1 plus 1. Our definition says that n times 1 is n, and we also proved a while back that n plus 1 is the same as n star, and so n star times 1 is n star, and 1 times n star is n star. And so if n times 1 is 1 times n, then the same thing is true for the successor. Now, the piano axioms allow us to prove all the standard theorems about the arithmetic of the natural numbers, the additive identity 0, straight out of the definition of addition, commutativity and associativity of addition, the multiplicative identity 1 by the definition of multiplication, commutativity and associativity of multiplication, and the distributive property of multiplication over addition. There's just one troublesome little problem. The piano axioms aren't specific to the natural numbers. As we saw, they could be applied to any set with the concept of first and successor, and so the question you might want to ask is, could we develop a theory of the natural numbers only? And in particular, is there some way we can identify what we mean when we say 0 or 1 or 2 or any other natural number? And we'll take a look at that next.


First and highest voted question comes from Lee the Binance rollback that was proposed Binance said they considered rolling back the Bitcoin chain But then decided against it how on earth would that have even happened if they had decided to go that route What would have happened would just would this just mean Binance launching a 51% attack Yes, Lee so that's basically what they were proposing in order to roll back the chain what it would require On Binance's side would be to persuade enough miners 51% or more of the miners to go back Pick a block before the withdrawals happened That was spending Binance coins and sending them to an attacker address The withdrawals that were recorded on the blockchain pick a block before they happened Set that as the parent of the next block and start mining from that point Onwards now imagine that they decided to do this a day After the attack so at that point they would have to persuade miners to go back 145 blocks Which would be you know exactly one day or some such amount and start mining a hundred and forty-five blocks in the past and then use their hashing power to overtake the 49% of miners presumably that would be mining from the current block from the longest chain and overtake them and Therefore cause a reorganization of the chain and during this time what they would do is they would deliberately Mine a double spend transaction from Binance Spending all of the outputs that was stolen by the attacker to Binance addresses and once that's in there Then the transaction from the attacker would not succeed because Those coins will have already been spent on the chain being mined by the miners trying to do the rollback But think about it for a second like a fifty one percent is not actually enough and part of the reason It's not enough is because at a rate of one percent advantage over the chain being mined by the forty nine percent They would only achieve a one block gain Every day so every hundred blocks they catch up by one Block now think about this for a second the attacker is the the chain that the miners are trying with a fifty one percent to Remind to reorganize Only has a one percent advantage over the one being mined by the rest of the miners at forty nine percent But it starts more than a hundred and forty five blocks in the past. Let's say that Binance Didn't manage to launch this attack for a day at this point Gaining only one percent per day means only one block in a hundred So as they mine block minus one forty five the other forty nine percent of the miners mine block one Extending their chain by one just about ten percent faster. So after they've mined a hundred blocks There's still forty five behind but the other chain has now mined 99 blocks also and so they started a hundred and forty five blocks behind and A hundred blocks later. They're a hundred and forty four blocks behind Another hundred blocks. They're a hundred and forty three blocks behind At that rate it would take them a Hundred and fifty days almost to catch up overtaken rewrite The chain that is a very very long time during which if anything goes wrong Let's say just one percent of the miners abandon this effort and go to the other side. It's all over all of that Energy that they tried to put towards reminding the chain rolling it back is wasted Now let's say that Binance managed to do this in a much shorter period of time They acted very very quickly collaborated with the miners don't know how they would do that exactly They'd have to figure out Perhaps by persuading pools to join them But the pools may start losing miners is a very very contentious act and they did it within five blocks Well, even in that case it would still take a very very significant effort to overtake the other chain because they're still only 10 sorry 1% faster they'd have to get an overwhelming number of miners on their side And they'd have to do it very very quickly for this to even Be doable From a pure hashing perspective As some people have suggested that one of the ways Binance might get miners to do this Would be to bribe them and of course one way to bribe them is to make sure that the transaction that they introduce which Spends Binance's outputs back to Binance carries very very high fees and therefore the miners are Incentive they're gonna get paid off for this and those fees would have to be more than the rewards of The blocks that the miners would be rolling back So let's say they they they rolled back five blocks. Well the fees they would have to pay to bribe the miners would have to be more than 60 Bitcoin because you see the miners can make 12 and a half Bitcoin Just by continuing to mine blocks on the normal chain if they go back and try to roll back the chain That energy is going to be wasted even if they win Presumably the 51% of miners who took this chance have already Mined those blocks or participated the mining of the blocks. They've already received the reward They go back and spend the energy twice They're not receiving two rewards because either one or the other chain is gonna succeed They're only gonna get paid once Which means as a result that Binance would have to bribe them by the entire reward amount of however many blocks they're trying to overwrite and Then some because they're doing something very risky very very risky because if it fails That's energy loss Then they're not gonna get the reward from Binance because they don't mind the transaction that has the fees and Then the is another little wrinkle because at any point in time the attacker can add a brine of Their own and the only way the easy way to do that is simply to chain a transaction on top of the stolen funds That also pays a big fee to the miners But here's the trick the bribe from the attacker is much less risky because all the miners have to do is not play The rollback game and just continue to mine the chain Which is a much less risky proposition because they're not spending any energy to go against consensus and they'd be able to earn that reward with almost 100% certainty and so at that moment in time if they roll back the chain they lose the attackers bribe But that's very risky But if they don't roll back the chain they get the attackers bribe for much less risk Which means the attacker doesn't have to bribe them more than the block reward because they're not wasting energy and Doesn't have to bribe them more than Binance in fact has to bribe them a lot Lot less because it's a much less risky proposition So the bottom line here is how would the proposed rollback work? It wouldn't it's as simple as that it wouldn't it's too risky. It would take enormous coordination it would have to be done immediately and There's no way in my mind that Binance would be able to incentivize enough miners once the miners understood that This could easily be thwarted by a simple bribe by the attacker that would cause them to waste all of that energy It's not as easy as people think to attack the chain Even when you have motivation and hundreds of millions of dollars at stake