So you know how every year there's like a new billionaire trend? Like every year they just start doing something new. One year it's like going to space. The next year it's buying up all the farmland. Well this year it just might be building cities. I guess it seems like the next logical step in almost every aspect of their life they have total control over everything. Just not the government yet. So I guess if they sort of make their own city with their own government they'll be in complete control of everything that goes on in their lives. So this article on BET says Kanye West is reportedly building a 100,000 acre city in the Middle East. In 2020 Yeezy attempted to build his own city in Wyoming but the state made him close up shop. So a couple of crazy things going on there. I didn't know that he was building a city in Wyoming. Maybe I'm out of the loop but I feel like I should have known that. So that already didn't work. He already failed once and he was like, you know what, Wyoming is a really difficult place to build a city.  I think I would have much better luck if I try in a totally different country. A country I don't live in. Don't know the culture or laws as well. Also just says in the Middle East. That's also not a country. So I think you're gonna have to get a little more specific, my guy. We previously reported that Kanye West put his Malibu mansion on the market. Now it appears that he is moving East to chart his own universe. According to a post he made on Tuesday, December 20th from a verified account named unreleased Yee on X. Formally known as Twitter, the can't tell me nothing rapper is reportedly in the planning stages of building a new city in the Middle East. I like that they refer to him as the can't tell me nothing rapper. Like that's what he's known for. Hasn't done anything else notable lately as far as I can tell. He was sort of a one hit wonder. He released that song back in 2007 and he stayed relatively quiet ever since. I guess that one song made him enough money to build a city but that's about all he's been up to. Okay, so this is the tweet that they're talking about on this profile called unreleased Yee. I am a little skeptical of BET's reporting here. How do we know that this is Kanye? Anything and everything with Kanye's music. I do not leak any songs. I only post already leaked songs. Okay, it kind of makes it sound like they're admitting that they're not Kanye. Yeezy, D-Rome, Phase One, 100,000 acre city piloting in Middle East, recruiting project managers, engineers, architects, contractors, builders. Okay, so if this is real, then he hasn't started yet. This is the vibe I'm getting. He's hiring everybody necessary to make this happen. Also, I don't think that there could be a more clear signal that he doesn't know how to do anything related to building a city because those are all the things that you need. Like what is he gonna do? So I need project managers, engineers, architects, contractors, builders, and I'll take care of the rest guys, don't worry. You know, I'll take on most of the work. I mean, I'll do whatever's left, you know? That would be landscaping. And the king, I'll be the king as well. This might appear to be an overly ambitious endeavor for some, but for the 24-time Grammy winner, this is familiar territory. How so? How is this familiar territory? It sounds like he tried this once and it didn't work. Then if the next sentence isn't that he's already built multiple cities in the Middle East before, then it's not familiar territory. I don't even think the Middle East is familiar territory to this guy. In October, 2020, he was deep into his bag of brilliance when he attempted to construct his own city in Wyoming. I don't think he was in his bag of brilliance. It sounded like it didn't work. Those plans were scrapped after the state put a stop to his proposal, which was projected to be a hyper-utilitarian underground zone that could fit 200 people. What? Also, I wouldn't really call that a city. He was gonna dig a hole that could fit 200 people. That's not that many. He was really like, yeah, digging my 200-person hole didn't quite work out. We ran into too many logistical issues. I think that building a metropolis in the Middle East is actually gonna be slightly easier, more manageable. Yee also filed trademarks for this venture's name, including Yeeco System, Yeeco System, and Yeezy First. Yeah, good thing he locked those down. I could only imagine how many people were clamoring to create companies called the Yeeco System. Imagine living in a hole that could fit 200 people and it's called the Yeeco System. Even in this pitch, it doesn't sound nice. It's not describing some kind of utopian paradise, a hyper-utilitarian underground zone. It's not even saying city. It doesn't even sound livable. Just sounds like a big area. Yeah, we just dug out an underground zone. It's hyper-utilitarian because there's nothing here that you don't need. There's also nothing here that you do need. It's just a hole. Okay, so it looks like we got some more info on Kanye's Wyoming city here. This article is from March of last year. The last article was from December, so this came earlier. Kanye West's anti-Semitic collapse has turned dream of becoming world's biggest real estate investor to rubble. During his heyday, Kanye West's stated goal was to become one of the world's biggest real estate developers of all time but shocking new photos of his construction empire, including bizarre futuristic domes, reveal the true extent of his crumbling legacy.  His world-conquering status as a fashion and music mogul vanished and his real estate aspirations, including bizarre building developments inspired by Star Wars, has turned to debris. I don't know if they, like, were they already debris to start with? This is just a hole. Oh, we got a little before and after photo. Okay, here's before. So here's the best it ever got. And then here's what it looks like now. Damn, look what we could have had. We could have had bizarre domes, people. The disgraced rapper built the domes. Fixed it in July, 2019, to house the homeless. And he even envisaged, envisaged? Is that a word? Envisaged constructing entire cities with the Star Wars inspired lattices. I don't know if that's a word. So he wanted to house the homeless in the middle of the desert in these bizarre domes. You know, I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to house the homeless. I do feel like there's probably a less roundabout way of doing that than creating a city in the middle of nowhere made up of these domes. You don't have to invent a whole new house type for homeless people. They would live in a regular house if you gave them one. I'm sure. It's not like they're homeless because they don't like the shape of regular houses. I guess is what I'm trying to say. Not long after he first constructed the domes in California in 2019, West fell foul of California's housing regulations after he failed to get a building permit. After failing to ever obtain one, the domes were set to be torn down signaling the start of his real estate woes. West had even claimed that the structures were only temporary, but inspectors suspiciously found he had laid concrete foundations first. Wait, they were temporary? I thought they were supposed to house the homeless. You were only gonna do that for a little bit? He was gonna have him live in the domes until he thought up his next brilliant scheme and even cooler shaped house.  Okay, that's enough about Kanye's futuristic city because now we're gonna learn about Akon's futuristic city. But before we do that, I wanna thank today's sponsor, Sunday's Food for Dog. Sunday's is a healthy dog food. 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I thought we were just looking at abstract art while he was like before we saw the city. Whoa, okay. So, wow. This is ACON City, huh? Inspired by Dr. Seuss, are we? Okay, here's a very neat little render.  Dude, I'll give him this. It looks more fun than a so-called hyper-utilitarian underground zone. I think I would actually rather live in one of these like phallic high-rises than a bizarre dome at least. Okay, we got resort of Africa up here, resort chalets down here, African restaurant, African open bazaar. Oh, okay. Is this in Africa? Oh yeah, in Senegal. Okay. If it's all in Africa, I don't think you need to point at everything and call them African because I think we would just assume that. Here's all the African houses. There's an African building. We're gonna have lots of African buildings. ACON Tower, Media Tower, Filming Studio, one, two, three, and four. Office building, parking structure, residential building. It's kind of interesting that he already has all of the buildings planned out in a town. Do towns do that when they start? I thought people just build what is necessary at the time when it's necessary. Like the first people who showed up to Los Angeles didn't just like start pointing and directing to build film studios here, there, and there. Those only were built because the film industry was like becoming a thing there. Like what if the film industry doesn't take off in ACON land? Then what are you gonna do? Also, are these filming studios African or what ethnicity are they? Only 100 kilometers from Dakar. That's pretty good. Just a short 100 kilometer swim through the ocean from Dakar. So if you were already planning on visiting then might as well stop at ACON City while you're there. You know, I'll give him this. I do believe that this was designed by ACON. I mean, so I'm gonna assume that this never came to fruition because this was three years ago. I haven't heard about it since. Travis Scott, I've got my own meal at McDonald's, ACON. Hold my pineapple beverage. Yeah. Well, I think the difference between those two things is that the top one did happen. Travis Scott did get his own meal at McDonald's. As far as I'm aware, this did not happen. Every architect's dream, but every engineer's nightmare. Is that true? Is this every architect's dream? This is what architects dream about, baby. Lobby, globby cities. They can't find a way to make it happen. I genuinely hope this doesn't lose momentum. The world could use a win like this. Aw, man. Now I feel bad that this isn't gonna happen. This person is so invested. Okay, so I went to the website that was in the description for ACON City and I'm just on ACON's tour website. So I don't, doesn't seem like it's gonna happen now. The website doesn't even exist anymore. No! I wanted to live in ACON City, man. Friend, where are you? Me, by the weird shaped Chrome building. I'm by the weird shaped filming studio. Okay, now we've got a TikTok about what happened to ACON's futuristic city. What happened to the real life Wakanda promised by ACON? This futuristic looking smart city is the brainchild of ringtone superstar ACON. There's just one huge problem. It currently looks like this. He started it? Oh, there it is. Wow. Keep going, buddy. You're almost there. So this is what it's supposed to look like. And this is it now. Yeah, it's pretty close. So this is obviously film studio number three. I could tell by the way it's shaped. The 2,000 acre metropolis based in Senegal would feature skyscrapers, a luxury resort, and recording studios backed up with the cryptocurrency called ACON. Okay, so it did. It was a crypto scheme. Was this all just an elaborate rug pull? He was like, everybody buy my cryptocurrency and then once you moved to the city, you can use it. And then, you know, now this isn't happening and ACON's not doing it anymore. I wonder what happened there. Stephen's lawyer alleged plans for ACON City were akin to a scam, noting that it shares many of the trademark characteristics fraudulent business ventures, such as Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes. ACON. The whole thing was a scam? ACON, you knew how much the world could use a win like this. Faith and humanity destroyed. Okay, now moving on from musicians making cities, we have Welcome to Zuck Town, where everything is just zucky. In Menlo Park, California, Facebook is building a real community and testing the proposition, do people love tech companies so much? They will live inside them? Dude, I avoid going on Facebook at all costs. Give me one reason why I would want to live inside of a town controlled by them? So this is where all your racist uncles are gonna live now. They're all gonna move to Facebook Town. John Tanean, Facebook's vice president for real estate is showing off the company's plans for expansion. It will have offices for thousands of programmers to extend Facebook's fearsome reach. Did John Tanean say that? That's probably the journalist talking. That'd be so scary if Facebook is saying that in their internal meetings. So we're gonna use this city to expand our fearsome reach. We're worried that it's not fearsome and widespread enough. But that is not what Mr. Tanean's is excited about. He leans over a scale model of the 59 acre site, which is named Willow Village. There will be housing there, he points. There will be a retail street along here with a grocery store and a drug store. That round building in the corner? Maybe a cultural center? Maybe. This round building? You put this round building in the plan and you don't know what it's gonna be yet?  Tell us what it's actually gonna be, please. And this very specifically designed building that we clearly put here for a reason with a road leading directly out of the city? Maybe in McDonald's? I don't know. How crazy would it be if Facebook's city looked exactly like Acon City? Like all the buildings are blobs and stuff? I'd be like, okay, maybe I'm just not getting the trends of today. I guess this is just what they're all doing. Everybody wants to live in blobs and domes now. In just a few years, Facebook built a virtual community that linked more than two billion people in achievement with few precedents. Now the social network is building a real community, the kind you can walk around. It is a project with many precedents in American history. Quite a few of them cautionary tales about what happens when a powerful corporation takes control of civic life. Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting too. Do I want John Tenanes and his merry band of goons to be in control of my life? I don't even know this guy. Facebook's vice president for real estate? I didn't even know they had a vice president for real estate. Why do they need real estate? Stay online, Facebook, please.  Mr. Tenanes contemplates the audacity of building a city. It's a good thing, right? He says, do you not know? This is good, right? People want this. People want to live at Facebook. People want to work at Facebook and live at Facebook. They want their whole lives to be Facebook, right? And finally, of course, Elon Musk is getting into the mix too. Welcome to Snailbroke. First look at Elon Musk's Texas utopian town where SpaceX and boring employees will live and work. So this is for employees of Elon Musk's companies to live at. It's called Snailbroke, which is a great name for a town. And I guess these are pictures of it. There are small houses where staff from the companies will be able to live for $800 a month well below the soaring local market rates. Are the houses in this picture? Houses, houses. These, these are houses, okay. So you live here and you work over here, I assume? Maybe in there? Not the most quaint neighborhood I've ever seen. There's literally like rocket ship making equipment from with an eye shot of where you live. Yeah, I don't like this. This is weird. I think having a healthy dose of work life balance is a good thing. I don't necessarily know if living in a fenced in corporate neighborhood provided by your employer sounds very fun. There are certain jobs where that is like, you have to do that, I know. Like if you work on a cruise ship, you kind of have to live at the cruise ship. You can't swim to work every day from the mainland. Oh, look, a little play area. That's nice. So he lets them run around in there. That's cool. Snailbrook sits in the middle of green pastures on the outskirts of Austin, which has fast become one of the most desirable places to live in the U.S. To be clear, they're talking about Austin, not this place. This place is one of the least desirable places to live in the U.S. Musk, his girlfriend grimes Kanye West and the rappers architect held multiple discussions over the last year about the design of the town. Uh-oh. That's not good. Elon, don't listen to Kanye, whatever you do. Do not take his advice on how to build these houses. He's gonna ask you to build temporary domes and it's gonna sound like a cool idea at the time. It's not. He's watching. Surveillance cameras are dotted along the wired fence, adorned with fake leaves in the rural community. Oh yeah, that's awesome. That's great. I'd love to just have the safe feeling of knowing that my boss is watching me at all times. When he's watching over me, I know that I'm safe. All right, well, in conclusion, let's just leave the city building to city builders. You know, Kanye, I saw in your ad, you were looking for builders and planners and stuff. Let's just let them do all of it. You don't even need to hire them. They're gonna do it anyway. They love doing that stuff. So let's just leave it to them. I hope you guys enjoyed this video. Make sure you subscribe and I'll see you guys next time. Bye-bye.


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Oset Rhaedda Sabich has batted that home Jordan Pickford was well beaten in the end So what an important 45 minutes of football this is for Everton following that late strike at the end of the first half Everton have made a change and Everton are right back in it what about that from distance my word that is incredible Guilfee Zigartson what a way to get Everton back in this that is something special on your full Everton debut seconds after the restart have a look at this wow wow wow here's Aaron Lennon who came on at half time Aaron Lennon buzzing into the penalty air for Rooney Everton almost getting a second in a double quick time now Saïd Mother Sabich more penalty awarded her seg went down and immediately looked to the referee who was very very quick to point to the spot Jordan Pickford to try and save and he has brilliantly Jordan Pickford Everton's hero now went the right way and made the stop Kings ball forward releases Rooney Rooney's on through on the goalkeeper Rooney beaten away by Stippiger chance to really seal it there for Everton defenders did get back Rooney shot pushed away by the Croatian keeper It's not the word about Jordan Pickford's penalty save yeah if fantastic any penalty save is a great penalty save especially when it's by the Everton keeper it was a terrific goal that beat him there's no question about it he moved in the air but the penalty save it come at a crucial time we got back into the game one all we could have gone two one down the crowd would have been up again they they started pressing forward as well so i think it's a fantastic fantastic save no matter if it's a good penalty or not and you could tell by the reaction and one more Bezzich and Williams especially they went to Shecky's and but Jordan wanted to concentrate he said look get on with the game i've saved it we're still drawing one apiece the boy Erteig wanted to take the penalty Ahmed Said wanted to take the penalty and did do and the crowd turned on him yeah i think that i think that were good for us as well that there was a bit of an argument in the 18 yard box who were going to take the penalty and you could see that said they were confusing three or four players were in there it got set it got sorted in the end unfortunately well unfortunately for them great for us that he missed the penalty and then the crowd turned on him as well giving him a little bit of stick which made it uneasy for him but yeah don't worry about them it's all about Everton there's been some unsavory incidents involving the hadjuk split supporters over here in Croatian and certainly we saw what they're capable of back at Gudeson Park but the atmosphere they created was immense wasn't it it was a terrific atmosphere for the game of football it's one of the best I've ever heard I'd have loved to have been part of that I'd love to have played in that and it wasn't quite incredible just around the ground yeah there was some noticing at Gudeson under some unsavory behaviour before the game in the town centre but here when we was in this ground this this ground was bouncing absolute and a credit to our fans as well you could hear them as well when it went pretty quiet so I just thought if you're going to play in Europe what what an atmosphere what a stadium to play in and we were standing pitch side just a little bit further along this this disused running track when the three goalkeepers came out to warm up the booing and the hissing even though it was about 50 minutes before the kickoff was so loud but Jordan Pickford was loving it was he loved it he loved it he's a young lad he's 23 year old and you'd think that would he be nervous he came out well him and the other two keepers came out and you're right they got boo they got ace Jordan had the biggest smile on his face he thought bring this on this is what I want I love all this and very quickly we're now guaranteed at least six more games in Europe which was what we wanted this is what Everton's all about this is we're a massive club we need to be in Europe year in year out winning trophies Everton are a big club and deserve to be in Europe well what does 45 million pound get for you these days I'll tell you what I get you an absolute wonder goal in the Europa League let's hear from our goal scorer Guilfee Sigartson personally it was fantastic to score my first goal for the club in a fantastic stadium as well and a really good atmosphere so it was nice for me but but we're going home happy that's the main thing what was in your mind when the ball was kind of landing at your feet in that position did you really think you were going to score from there I thought probably no but um I managed to get a touch on the ball when the ball was sitting up quite nicely it was in the air and I thought to myself the keeper is probably not on his line because they just had a position of the ball so um I just went for it thankfully hit the target in and he just managed to beat the keeper you're an experienced player but were there any nerves playing tonight and making your first start for Everton no I was fully focused on how tough this game was going to be and and just making sure I was getting through the game fitness wise um because it's my first start this this pre season first 90 minutes so I'm a bit tired I'm not gonna lie but um no I enjoyed it really much so um fans were fantastic both home and away fans so it was a good night for me personally and to the team as well what a way for Guilfee to get off the mark we've already mentioned him and Jordan Pickle but you made Leighton Baines your man of the match not I thought he was quality all evening never give a ball away when he'd gone to the last 10 minutes as well the experienced players in our team the Baines the Williams Sigurdson Wayne Rooney they kept the ball fantastically well that's what you've got to do in Europe when you win in the game see the clock down but keep the ball but we didn't keep it just for the sake we switched play from left to right right to left we created still a couple of chances as well but I thought the mannerisms that the the last 10 minutes that they saw that game out was fantastic we just took the sting out of the hostility didn't we yeah we did because they were still putting a little bit of pressure on they could have said get a goal in the last 10 minutes it could have been a bit uneasy but we didn't allow that and I looked at the boss Ronald Coomber a couple of time and he were applauding his players because they saw the game out they managed the game fantastically well and that's what you've got to do in Europe and we've got as you say we've got six games to go and if we play like that we're going to be hard to beat we were well more skilled at the back working and Ashley Williams was immense at times yeah he gave a penalty way I've not really seen it yet again but uh summer saying it wasn't a penalty some say it was uh but no criticism of Ashley Williams because I you're right I thought he was immense I've watched him for swansy on many occasions watched him now forever and I I think that one of one of these best performances in the neverton shirt tonight six games of the season gone still unbeat yeah it's great it's great we're looking sound defensively we're in runes enjoying his football we've seen an unbelievable goal from our 45 million pound record signing and uh and me and you have got a smile on his face all levitonians at the minute have got a smile on their face and let long make continue great sounds will be a nevertonian is it oh it's always a good time to be a nevertonian they'll be pinching the chairman's lines that's just about it for part one of this week's everton show don't go too far away from your tv screen coming up in part two we'll hear from phil jagielker and jordan pickford hello everybody and welcome to part two of this week's everton show as you can see we've got a rather more picturesque backdrop for this section of the program ian snowden alongside me we've been in worse places haven't we absolutely beautiful isn't it it's sun shining hotel's been absolutely fantastic great well a busy week for everton started very much on the right note with a well-earned one one draw against manchester city at the etihad stadium on monday night here's the post match reaction from that one maybe before the match you will shine for one point but after a halftime 11 against 10 i think we lost a little bit the control uh i think we we played too fast the long ball instead of play short and keep the ball and wait but i think that the team worked really hard we had the the game plan we did perfect in the first halft and also in the second half one unlucky moment by mason the header straight to uh i think it was sterling i think and he scored the one one but okay finally i think maybe it's it's a good point and look at look at positive we're obviously disappointed not to win the game but when you come to a place like this um obviously they're a very good team so if you look at from the start of the game you probably will have looked at a point as a as a good point but obviously and then me now to 10 men for quite a long period it's a little bit disappointing but i don't think we can be uh to this island um to come away from it with a point for mason uh and dom were fantastic tonight um really showed what they can do dom was an outlet in behind all night long and caused them a lot of trouble so i think it was a great night uh in that sense for them um and yeah they should be really proud of their performance it was a terrific result snobs and a terrific performance who in particular caught your eye for everton nobody really for me stood out i've just thought collectively does we were outstanding at the back very very solid our skipper i thought organised us very very well i thought the midfield two worked extremely hard and if i were to pick anybody out in particular i'd go for dominick calbert louin i thought he's roll up there on his own he's a tough he's a tough ass for a young lad to do especially against the experience and the quality that man city have got at the back so for me if i had to pick anybody out i thought dominick was outstanding he led the line with such maturity didn't he he's 20 year old the boy he's been playing right on side right wing back to play his proper role centre forward which he is i thought um he he run the channels well he worked hard he met man city's defenders work hard and that's what you want that's what his team mates were looking for an outlet ball and dominick were there every time that anybody picked the ball up and i know as a proud Yorkshireman you'll be delighted with the staff that told us after the game that we had eight English players in the side i think that's fantastic i really do and it's a it's a blend of youth and experience as well you've got Leighton Bench, Jaggy Elker etc but then you've got you've got dominick calbert louin uh we've we've abundance of talent we really have and i think it's great that the club are encouraging that as well youngsters to be in the team not many teams will go to Manchester City and get a draw this season they're a quality team let's let's get right i think anybody who finishes a bug man city this season will win the league well we've got a new feature for you this season on the everton show we call it my first we started off a couple of weeks ago with david class and this week it's the turn of jordan pickford struck me self to a how how do you three have when i when i pass me test so decent car and always good memories as well yeah always i went watching the road i've done up and go was training up playing and and there was a team playing on the side and uh just joined in and go up the need to keep it so i got thrown in the deep round winning goal and uh the team was watching envelopes and back where i'm from so i told it i remember i think it's when mom and dad got married in a dominick republic and i hate that i was only two or three at the time i was crying all day i think it was always to page might obviously when the um you're growing up watching the itv games and he was just in his element element at the time you know but being a son i'm fine it's got to tell me sort of something when he saved his pen against you i think i think we'll win that year well last couple of years with 21s it was uh dunce don't want more from something we had a good good crag playing around that in the xbox and i would batter him as well so Kevin ball you saw you saw it it always gives a few uh relatives but it was always for the best it wasn't it was always to make me the better person better goalkeeper so it was worth it again snods there's a little bit of a gamble i suppose in every transfer that any football club makes but for me jordan pifford looks as close as being nailed on as you can get i'm excited to see him in a never ensure because i think he's going to be our keeper for many many years to come i think he breeds confidence to the back four um the way he comes and punches balls when he can't come and catch him he's kicking abilities second and on and then shot stopping every keeper can shot stop there's no question about that but he does it in a particular way that i honestly i think we we've made some great signings we really are but i'm excited by this boy jordan seems to make saves with contempt doesn't he seems to just parry it and think is that all you've got is that the best you've got there's many many situations where they've had to strike on goal and you're right he just parries them down and then just collects it but um just just looking at his mannerisms around finch farm as well i've talked to jimmy martin and they said what a lovely kid he is what a knight and he's settled in so so quickly for a young lad just come from sunderland he's got a big transfer fee on his on his head but it don't seem to affect him at all he's he's full of confidence the boy talking of sunderland your brother of course is one of the coaches at sunderland with simon grason so yourself and glenn if you're spoken about the caribou cup draw yet not yet i will be ringing him definitely uh in the near future i think they'll be excited uh him and simon grason and obviously the players that have played for everything that we're now at sunderland there's there's quite a few of them as well so uh yeah i'll be speaking to glennie i'll be asking me what formation we're playing and that's when brotherly love comes out the way he will get no information off me whatsoever but he won't give you the sunderland team either certainly not no he won't but it's a it's a great draw for both clubs it's a competition that we want to go for and it's amazed that we've never really pulled up any trees in this competition yeah because it's a long time since we won silverware so people devalue this competition we don't we want to win this competition we want a trophy for our fans our fans want to trip to wembley our fans want to see the captain of everton football club lifting a trophy so do i so do you so do everybody so we've got to take this really really serious the manager will take it serious he wants to win this competition it's a busy week football wise manchester city hadjux blip and chelsea it's also going to be a busy week or so off the field as well because the transfer window slam shot next week and there may be one or two more faces coming in yeah there'll be a lot of clubs thinking i wish it would shut tomorrow but not forever and i think we've we've still got a little bit of business to do i'm sure the manager and steve walsh have got their eyes on one or two players we're open to bringing and strengthening yet again so right what's this space i don't think we've done yet neither do i well the fixtures are coming thick and fast manchester city hadjux blip and then on a sunday afternoon we go to stanford bridge to take on no less than the champions chelsea this is phil jagielker's take on that one i think watching obviously the game at spurs it was always going to be a totally different game to the one at burnley after what had happened at burnley and the fact is that obviously there's a bit of a rivalry between spurs and chelsea at the moment so i think they probably would have had a little bit of a rude awakening first home game in the season and i'm sure they'll be desperate not not for that to happen again but i'm sure when when we come to do a little bit of research probably friday or saturday we'll look for their weaknesses and hopefully find some in the analysis chelsea spurs manunynau as you say you've got to play them all at some stage but i mean that's a really tough run isn't it yeah it was it was it was almost like you laughed at yourself when when they came out but you know this is what you're going to do this is a game you want to play in to get you know a three away games of man city hadjux playing Croatia then chelsea it's going to be a a lot of travelling but say when the when the what i see is the best league in the world we want to play in europe so this is this is a job you know the the manager and the players need to step up to and and make sure we don't let ourselves down this week of fixtures nods couldn't be tougher if we planned it ourselves chelsea at the weekend this time for bridge they don't come more difficult than we've had man city we've had this european game and now we've got chelsea the champions but i just feel there's a little bit of unrest in the chelsea chelsea camp over the cost of situation does um who would have said they got beat nobody in football would have said they got beat on the opening day against bernley at home so uh yeah i'm looking forward to it i think we've got the squad we've got the ability in the squad definitely to to go to chelsea and get all three points i suppose if you're just analysing it basically if we can get a draw at man city we can get a result that's down for bridge yeah we can with that with that a shadow of a doubt we as i said we've got some quality players i'm sure the squad rotation will work as well uh but let's not get it wrong chelsea are a quality team they're not champions for nothing they've got some great talent they've got some great players but we've got to go there and we're we're positive we've had a positive start to the season we've got to go there with optimism just very briefly it would set us up beautifully for an international break with a win there wouldn't it be fantastic it'll send all the evertonians on map here and run up kumin and all his players fingers crossed that's down for bridge we're certainly due a win there aren't we and that's just about it for this week's everton show please do join us in seven days time for another everton show it won't be quite as nice as this but join us anyway you've got the sun cream no i've left it in the hotel i think i'll go 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Live from Orlando, Florida, it's theCUBE, Covering ServiceNow, Knowledge 17, brought to you by ServiceNow. Welcome back to Orlando, everybody. My name is Dave Vellante, and I'm here with my co-host, Jeff Frick. This is day two of ServiceNow Knowledge, and this is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. Bart Murphy is here. He's the CTO of York Risk Services, and he's the CIO and CTO of CareWorks. Cube alum, Bart, good to see you again. Great to see you guys.  We were talking about CIO decisions. You participated in that last year as well. What have you been doing at the conference? What are you seeing that's interesting? Well, I've been attending the sessions, and you just mentioned the CIO decisions. That was my day yesterday. Great opportunity to get great speakers. We mentioned a few of them that spoke yesterday, but also there were some customer roundtables allowed you to collaborate with your peers over a few areas and sort of discuss what's working for them, what's not, what their roadmap looks like, how they're selling that to the board, those type of things. It was a very productive day. So since we last talked, what have you been working on? We had a great discussion last year on security. I'm sure things have changed there. They keep evolving. What kind of things you've been working on? What are some of the initiatives that are new? Yeah, so last year we did talk about that and my desire, I was somewhat excited when I started to see the new play in the SecOps with ServiceNow. So we've now gone live with SecOps. We're continuing to mature our security posture as a company. And I think that's, when you look at a roadmap or you're looking at things, what we want to see is continual capability maturity in our security space. One, we need to be there as an organization, we're a services organization. We also want to just make sure that we're continuing to get better and automate. And so we saw SecOps as a real opportunity for that. So we've now gone live, we've deployed that, we did it and integrated that with certain tools that we have, Taneum, LogRhythm, Symantec, some of our scanning tools. And what that's allowing us to do is now look at a wide range of log information, parse through that in order to automate certain types of workflows and cases. So whether it be as simple as finding an endpoint that let's say has an outdated Symantec update and having that automatically update or create a case because it can't push the automation, those type of things we're trying to do now to try to raise the level of our security and start weeding through all the noise that's out there that's provided with all the tools that we have. How did you find the integration? Well, we did the integration ourselves and we found the integration compared to some other products that we've done in the past to be much smoother. I think this is a later product that they've built into their platform. I think they've taken it into account implementation. Some of the integrations were out of the box like the Taneum, others, we built those integrations. So, and we also, you know, I think I may have mentioned this, I sure don't know if did. When I looked at my incident security response plan and the way I developed that, I developed it very closely to what was coming out of the box with ServiceNow. I wanted to make sure that our policies, procedures, process for that really just met out of the box functionality so we didn't have to do a lot of customization and configuration there and we could focus on the technical integrations that really provide some of the power of the automation with the CMDB. Speaking of sort of custom work, you can talk about M&A. You mentioned you'd get a mulligan coming. Talk about that a little bit, kind of unwinding some of the custom mods. Yeah, so we have multiple instances of ServiceNow and over the last year we've been building our newest instance with Yorker Services Group. That's our total company. And I'm in the process now of taking what we built for CareWorks. We have been a customer since 2010 and really learning what we did well there and what we didn't do well. And in addition to the fact that a lot of customization that we did on that platform is no longer really required. That's how much the platform's matured with ServiceNow. Which one was it? Which release do you remember? Oh gosh, Berlin, probably. Or early on if I'm accurate from the very beginning. And GRC was an example where we did a lot of customization because that product just is a lightened day, nightened day compared from where it is today. So now we get a new opportunity to really look at our processes, say is this something that we really need to keep the customization or can we leverage the platform better? And by the way, even if we do have to do customization, can we do it a better way? So it is a little bit of a mulligan. From that standpoint we get that sort of fresh start on a platform that we understand even better now and we're doing it at a larger scale. So we're trying to really look at those automation opportunities so that we can gain the efficiencies that we need. So I wonder if you could talk about the sort of business impact that you've seen over the years. You've been a long time ServiceNow customer and it just feels like this whole ecosystem is on the steep part of the S-curve now. Maybe describe the sort of business impact and how whatever terms make sense. Well I think partly supporting consolidated shared services whether it's in IT or other areas of the business and even finding areas of the business that aren't doing a good job of tracking their work today. And it still exists in I think every organization. I was mentioning another area that we're looking at that we'll most likely deploy this year or early next year. I would assume this year is the HR case management. And that's an area very similar to IT, very similar to other areas that we've built use cases within ServiceNow where things are done primarily through email and it's very inefficient. They don't have very good metrics to understand how much support they're providing the organization. They're pressured just as I am from an SGNA perspective to do more with less. And the only way we're going to continue to be able to do more with less is to provide some level of automation and stay consistent with it. So when I started looking at ServiceNow, yes we're probably on that S-curve too. We've done some really good work on the automation side. But now with the platform, with what they're doing with some of the analytics, what they're, you know, I know they're going to do with machine learning, what we can do with some of the predictive stuff. How can we take a security instance, for example, and have it remediate itself and then inform us on what it did? Those are the type of things that I think is going to bring us way sharp up on that curve. I mean, we've done a good job. We're very technical. We've done a good job automating. I'm not, but for what we can do, I think over the next three to four years with this platform and the automation is going to be, it's going to be a game changer for us and we're going to need that because, you know, our SG&A can't grow at the same rate. You know, you want to have that margin improvement and this is one of the areas that we can use a platform to do that. It's interesting. You're always, always a lot of talk about automation when we're here and be able to automate processes and make them easier. But you mentioned before we went on there, you just mentioned it again, that the desire to get measurement on a process as the primary driving factor, because you just can't measure that, which is in email and all these disparate systems. And now you can actually use the motivation of measurement so then you can get improvement as the primary driver to implement it. Yeah, I mean, one of our core values to be a data-driven decision-making company and you can't improve what you can't measure. And there's still to this day, a lot of these processes that we take for granted, you know, SecOps, HR, Operation Service Center, Claim Setup, we think we're doing a good job managing it and understanding the productivity of it, but we don't have really good tools in place or they're very disparate. So if we can get that into one CMDB, we can start to leverage automation. Once we start to measure it, we truly can start to see that business value because we can see those measurements go down. So whether we're using out-of-the-box performance analytics now, you know, we started originally in performance analytics with Subur Product. On the New York one, again, that's another benefit, we just turn it on, right? And there's already really good, rich data that it's giving us to stay, you know, and we can compare that against our previous performance, whether it's incidence, closing rate, you know, all these type of things out-of-the-box. So I can start to show improvement. It's not to say that we don't have areas to prove we do. There are things outside of ServiceNow that we need to do to improve our overall capability. So whether you're talking leveraging orchestration within ServiceNow, but then I need a deployment tool to actually go and do that work. So that's where Taneum comes in play. So there's other strategies we're deploying to say, where can we get the full lifecycle of that automation? And that's where engineering discipline and bringing that to your supply chain of activities is key. The other thing that you mentioned that kind of flipped it on its head is you talked about your instance response plan and trying to make it pretty much as out-of-the-box with ServiceNow as possible. Was that because you just kind of went with the custom or now, you know, are they delivering more best practices in the way that configuration comes out-of-the-box that you don't really have to think about? Absolutely. You can resume best practices because that's how it's pre-configured out-of-the-box. Yeah, and I don't think they tout that and I understand why. But, you know, they're getting feedback from a ton of customers on how to build a process in the most efficient way. I don't think they're doing it in a vanilla way. I think they're doing it in an efficient, robust way. So I think they are at that point where, you know, there's a lot of things that come out-of-the-box that people really need to pay attention to. Like, you know, I understand that we may have done it this way, but this way is more than sufficient. And if it means that I don't have to customize and I can make my upgrades even easier than they are today, because they aren't that painful at all on the service now front, then, you know, why not? And then we can benefit from their maturity on the platform, because they're going to continue to add in releases and add in functionality, just like we saw over the last two days. Back to the sort of S-curve, I mean, it sounds like you're in a position now to get real operating leverage. I'm just like Metcalfe's Law, you know, the first one, maybe you get, you know, some benefit, but the nth one, boy, that's when it really kicks in. I hope so. That's what I'm, I mean, I think right now we spent a lot of time and energy getting onto one platform, right? Whether it's from all the acquisitions, whether it's from an older instance to a newer instance. I think once we get the critical mass on that platform, yes, the automation stuff will make a marketable difference. It's making difference now. We've done some great things for our business, but I think once we get everybody on one platform and we get that true understanding of how we want to do some of our enterprise processes and we have some other uplift in our other areas and systems, you know, Tainium's a new product that we have, you know, we're looking potentially at HRIS. There's other things that play that will play in that ecosystem. And as we mature those and really understand what our in-game's going to be, I think that's where we have that power. One of the speakers at the CIO Decisions this week was author Daniel Pink. We had him on theCUBE, about selling as human. When you run a business case, and you talked about the HR moving into HR, do you go, you know, sell? Do you make the business case? Or are they coming to you? Is it push-pull? How does it work? A little bit of both.  I mean, all of us are part of some type of revenue-generating company, okay? And if we don't take that to heart and we just think that we're some cog in a wheel and somebody else's problem, shame on you. No company's going to grow without a full company of great salespeople. And there are the other advocates for their brand. You know, they understand the mission. They understand what they're doing for the mission. So from a sales perspective, certainly I'm going around trying to tell people about the capability of ServiceNow. And one thing, you know, saw the CEO speak yesterday too. And one thing that struck me that I think a lot of people need to do is he's spent a lot of time over the last, I think it's 49 days, trying to understand the vernacular of IT.  Now he's at an IT company. And so he's trying to really understand, you know, the speak and some of the capabilities that you have to understand, he's got a better appreciation of it. It's my job really to be able to do that type of evangelism within our company to say, hey, here are the platforms we have and here's some of the capabilities and at least start the conversation. I will tell you that other times I have people come to me because they've either heard from someone else that they're using it at their company and their HR team loves it or what's it about. But I need to go around and say, hey, I see you guys doing this and we have a platform that's totally made for that. You know, it's why it was built. Can we have it, let's have a demo or let's start looking at how you think that would improve your guys' productivity. Because you're stretched, you know, for resources. Time stretch for resources and just come at it from a common problem statement perspective. And then we build the business case from there. I see. So we heard a lot of the announcements this morning, Jakarta, you know, another release. What do you, and so there's a lot of things they did in their performance improvements and UI improvements and things like that bringing in intelligent automation. A lot of really good, cool things in there. What's, and from your mind on there, to do list. What kinds of things, I mean, are they doing the types of things that you wanted to do or is there something big that could really make a difference to your business? Yeah, I mean, I wish I was like the service now product visionary. But I'm not, I got to commend them. I think they're doing some pretty darn good things. When you start to look at SecOps and its play into GRC and the way that you can really start to automate some of your controls, which are a huge component of, I'm not going to say waste within your organization, but they take a lot of time and they bring value, don't get me wrong, but they are bringing, they're not bringing in revenue, they're a lot of compliance and they're good practices. So the more we can automate some of those, they're high value, but you want your team working on other innovation type of stuff, I think the better. I mean, they start looking at what they're doing with the data now. I mean, everybody's becoming a data company, everybody's talking about machine learning, everybody's talking about AI. I think that is the next place that they got to get to. If they can start to generate again, some of that low value work, whether it's automating an entire incident end to end.  Trying to automate a claim end to end. So I think the more they can look at their domain and determine ways to automate an entire workflow, which they are well on their path, they've been doing that from a workflow automation perspective for years. Now taking in the AI to do it, I think they're going to be in a good position, a better position than I am in if I was to develop that myself. So I think that will help me scale from a user support perspective and just workflow in general service management perspective. So you might not be the product guru going forward, but the thing you know probably better than a lot of people out of the 15,000 is how to get people to adopt the platform. So I wonder if you can share some of your tips and tricks to fellow practitioners to take events to people to don't pick up the phone. Put it in the platform. Well yeah, it's evangelism.  And I think as a procurer of the platform and service now is not a cheap solution and nor should it be. So I think you need to go and justify, I'm getting this platform, it's up to me to make sure that we're going to leverage those dollars as much as possible. So anything I buy I want to make sure we're leveraging it as much as we can within the organization. I'm also affirmably, I understand that reality hits and it's not going to happen overnight. So how do you build a backlog and start really working through that? So we do an agile process, we're doing releases every two weeks. We're trying to, I may take an opportunity in IT but then the next one I want to do is going to be in the business. Or it's going to be with security or it's going to be with HR. Trying to get wins across the spectrum instead of trying to take big projects. Big projects take time. There's a lot of little things that I can do to whet their appetite, onboarding, offboarding, transfers. HR started to get familiar with service now and what it could do just in that space. That whet their appetite then to have a more serious discussion about case management, which we're still having. So I think trying to figure out how you can handle a backlog of smaller hit items to get wins will allow you to get a little bit more credibility if you start looking at a more wholesale change to their entire business. Which this would be a wholesale change to their business. You have kind of this dual role of CTO and CIO over the last several years. So much has changed in information technology, cloud, infrastructures, code, now you're seeing containers explode, the whole sassification of the, you know, softwares eating the world. Obviously service management is playing a big part there. Now AI, the whole big data meme. How has the CIO role evolved and changed and how has that affected you, particularly the CIO piece. And you know, the CTO piece as well, I guess. But technology's always there. The CTO has got to be following that. But the CIO role seems to be changing quite dramatically. I think each organization's a little different. The way I look at it is, you know, and some organizations, and maybe it's just me, some people see a CIO as an operational guy or girl and some of them see their CTO as going out looking at a new technology. The way I, and why I sort of have the title of the CTO is I never want to have a build and run type of organization. I don't want to have a marginalized CIO that's basically just keeping the lights running, maybe keeping enterprise systems up. We need to be innovative as an entire team and those assets that we build, we need to be able, the same people need to support them because man, they build much better assets if they have to support them, let me tell you. So I think the role is changing whether you know, use the term CTO, CIO, you know, who is that person that's going to help ensure that you're not only looking at new platforms, but not, I don't want to just spend all my time looking at new platforms or looking at new innovations and certainly want to be aware of the trends. What's the right time to look at that for your organization? You know, some would say you always need to be on top of all that and I don't need to be on top of every AI vendor or you know, data analytics company. What I need to understand is within the context of our organization, our financial structure, where we are as a maturity as an organization, what are the tools right now that can really make a major lift? And sometimes those aren't the most recent platforms, sometimes they aren't the gold standard platforms, sometimes they're just grunting hard work. So I think the role, I hope the role evolves into where somebody takes ownership of all of that and it's not carved up. Now, I think they're, and even in our organization, there's a place we have a chief innovation officer who is staying on top of some of the front end stuff, dealing with our industry. And that's a fine model as well. But I don't like breaking up between operations and development work and innovation. I like to make sure that those are all in sync. I think that's where you don't get a lot of rogue IT, a lot of shadow IT, because ultimately somebody's got to support it and we want to make sure that that support cost is as lean as possible. That's a great answer and steeped in accountability, Bart. Always great having you on theCUBE. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you guys. It's a pleasure to see you. All right, good to see you. All right, keep it right there, buddy. We'll be back with our next guest. This is theCUBE live from Knowledge 17. We'll be right back.


All right. Good morning. Got a few folks on the line. We'll give it a few minutes or so for everybody to come on in. Aimee say something. I don't know if my audience works here. You are good. You are good. Thanks. We are I'm holding a little bit because well one not everybody's here yet and I kind of need all of you here. So okay so we're three minutes after roughly by my clock and I also see that the app delivery folks are here which is super helpful because we can kick off with them as far as for SIG updates so and I see most of our folks are in so we'll go ahead and get started. Welcome. You have made it to the February 2nd TOC meeting because you are here. You have clearly made it in. Good fun. We'll be talking about our new TOC members coming on in but TOC members present today. Got an update from the various SIGs in here and probably some time for questions so I wanted to go ahead and get things kicked off in here. Elections closed yesterday and very very excited to be able to see these new folks in here and you will get a chance to be able to introduce yourself promises. A big thank you to our outgoing TOC members, Brendan, Matt and Jangly and I'll pass it over to Dave as you are our first official person on the list here. All right I'm actually dropping my kit off at hockey right now so I hope I'm on my phone. I hope I unmuted myself correctly but I'm Dave. I have a TOC for the past few months. I'm an engineer on Spotify's platform team and I've been in various CNCF and CNCF end user things for the past few years. Super. Thank you. Ricardo, I'll pass to you. Ricardo might be stuck on mute. I'll give him a second. Sorry about that. You're great. So I'm pretty happy to join the TOC. I've been working at CERN for quite a while and we've been using CNCF projects for many years now. I've been involved a lot also in the research user group of the CNCF and I've been also participating a lot in cook-cons, clown-made-cons. So I'm looking forward to be able to help. Thank you. Erin, you're next. Erin Boyd. I currently work for Apple and have been part of the TOC since forever so excited to be serving in a more formal position and appreciate all the work Bren and Matt and Zheng have done to lead the way and just happy to be here. Excellent. Cornelia, see you on the line. Go ahead. Hello everyone. Cornelia Davis. I am currently the CTO at Weaveworks. I have been here for about a year. Prior to that I was at Pivotal for seven or eight years, however long that was where I worked both on Cloud Foundry as well as later in the last two or three years that I was there worked on Kubernetes specifically. Kubernetes platform had the great benefit of working as well once I was working together with VMware and once VMware acquired Heptio had a chance to work with many of the engineers over there as well as people like Craig and Joe. So that is kind of my background. So I've been doing app platforms for a long time and have been involved in Kubernetes now for four or five years. More recently this year in particular I've started getting more involved with the app delivery SIG and in particular one of the founding members of the Get Ops working group that's under that umbrella. And I am absolutely over the moon to be able to and honored to be able to serve in this capacity. So thank you very much. Lovely. Thank you. I don't see Harry kicking around in here. So we'll go ahead and move on. If he happens to come on in I will make him introduce himself. So with that I will pass it over to SIG App Delivery. Go ahead. Yeah, hello everyone. So here's a quick update from SIG App Delivery. Let me put my microphone over here. Current project reviews. Flux now also with Flagger. Flagger is currently working on merging with the Flux project or is in process. They requested to move incubation. The due diligence is ongoing. First interviews, first interview has taken place. Some more to come so they should be ready for the TUC to have a look rather sooner than later. On the working groups. So the operator working group which or the operator work in the app delivery which has been around for quite a while had some more momentum and there have been some changes and also some really good work here which you put on a separate slide because it deserves a separate slide this time. GitHub's working group already mentioned Bercanilla. The working group and the project has been formed there. So it's kind of like this lovely existence of being a working group and a sandbox project. The sandbox project for the content created here which has been improved obviously very recently by the TUC. On the model activities the potato had projects with a demo project for deploying cloud native applications which was initially created for a Qube concession has really been growing and there's like lots more contributions from the community that should obviously be Qube Vela. So what it more or less does right now takes is simple one microservice beneath this object that deploys it with well more or less the broader cloud native app delivery ecosystem so you can see a lot of projects obviously from sample manifests to using Helm charts to using Argo to using Flux and so forth and there has been a new projects that were added just pretty recently which is Qube Vela, Customize, NAP and Gimlet and one chart in there. So we see continuous contributions from the community in the next step on that work we're doing there is obviously quite a more complex example based on initial requirements which we had which was stateful workloads obviously multiple services, secret management and so forth. On the CNCF landscape for app delivery there's no update there yet really because we're not that actively working on this also the work was more taking all of those projects and showing people how they can use it as part of the work which we did around Potato Head. On the next slide there is a bit more detail on the app delivery. So again the Operator Working Group Potency Act Delivery we have three new chairs, Jennifer, Omar and Thomas have taken the lead here they have been working on this for quite a while and now we also have a timeline for the Operator Work White Paper. The team also with the Security Working Group who recently did their Security White Paper and took a lot of input from their side. They have a dedicated Slack channel in case you want to get involved with them and there is now by with the SYNC meetings. So the plan is to have something for review by mid of March and then the final version ready by end of April so that it will be more or less done for Yukon Europe. So that's the update from figure delivery. I think there was a question in chat it might be too long for now. Quick question, is Flux and Flagr a sandbox project or is it completely separate right now? It is a separate project but they merged it into Flux and that's also part of the intelligence that we're looking into. Okay and that's gonna they're gonna merge the two projects before they move to incubation or not. That's what they're looking into right now. I think it was ongoing already before. It has been less unusual honestly that the projects that we recently looked into that we have more or less these more or less sets of projects that have individual parts that kind of make it together. So it's also from especially from the Flux side now with Flux we too it makes more sense to have the to have the message as a combined set of projects. Yeah okay Chris posted the sandbox. I think yeah they merged a couple weeks ago or a few weeks ago. Yeah I think it's fair for the project to do to bring those two together and it's part of the due diligence that they did before moving to incubation which I also think is a fair move so that then the combined project can be looked at for incubation. Okay that was the only question in the chat. I don't see anybody else coming off of mute so we'll go ahead and move on. Thank you. Contributor strategy you're up next. Howdy everybody. A few things. First the new contributor site is almost ready for particularly for our new TSC members. What we're doing is existingcontribute.cncf.io is going to become a more sophisticated site where there's one route where if you're looking to contribute it goes to the existing information about how to contribute to each project although that will actually be HTML-ified instead of just dropping you into get. And then the other way we'll actually go to a whole site of information about four project maintainers you know including things about advice on running your project and recruiting contributors and cncf rules and and other things that we gradually build up of which we have some things. We're currently in the process of configuring all the Netlify stuff and also finalizing which pages are ready for publication and which ones still need to be approved by somebody. So and also Carolyn has been out which is why it's not one of the reasons why it's not already done she's been leading that effort. So expect to see that sometime soon. I for governance we're doing final review and copy edit of a sub-projects template. This will give us sort of three standard governance templates for projects. One for projects that have a simple maintainer council setup. One for projects that have an elected steering committee and one that projects that are composed of multiple sub-projects which are the three most common models that we see. Although linkerd is actually introducing experimenting with a new concept for those who didn't see their announcement last week which is they are creating a steering committee made up of end users as a way of bringing more people into the project in leadership positions. So we'll probably we'll be if the linkerd folks can make it we'll be discussing that at 10 a.m at the governance working group meeting. It's an interesting model I look forward to discussing it. The I very early draft this is going to be one of our first requirement advisories. One of the things that have come up with projects recently is the we require projects to have open governance as part of the CNCF requirements but we don't really define open governance. And so as part of contributor strategy we've been trying to add background material and all of the CNCF requirements for graduation levels. And so expect to see there's a link to early draft of that when we finish the draft expect to see that again for full TOC approval because anything that modifies the requirements you all have to approve. The for contributor growth a bunch of documentation in progress recruiting handbook with a lot a lot of questions about how do we recruit contributors and a generic contributor ladder documents in progress because it's something we've had a lot of other requests for. Final thing is so I see contributor strategies had two liaisons to the TOC. Those two liaisons are going to be particularly important in the next season because we are getting the new contribute website online and for things that don't modify the requirements are two sort of TOC liaisons are the ones who do final approval on those. Now one of those approvers is Saad who is still with us and still helping us out a lot but the other one was Matt who is now retiring or at least cycling out of the TOC. So we are looking for a second TOC member who's interested in the work of contributor strategy and willing to help with review and approval of stuff. So if that's you please ping me over chat or Slack or better yet the SIG contributor strategy channel on CNCF Slack. Thanks. I mean other people can also like raise your hand here if you're interested in it. I'm sure we're going to have that problem with like quite a few SIGs so thanks for bringing that up. Any other questions here? Okay we can move on. SIG network. Lee I know you're on the line. SIG network. SIG network. Hooray come on in. Well first of all just Dave and Cornelia Lee awesome awesome. All right so for SIG network we've been well we've been busy with initiatives inside of the service mesh working group. The last three or more four meetings have been really dedicated to initiatives that are going on within that group of which there are a few. Last couple of times we met it much of the discussion and focus has been on Get Nighthawk as a project. We've introduced this project I think a couple of times here. I don't know that we have highlighted that there's some exciting features coming out of Nighthawk as a load generator a sub project of Envoy. One of those is the ability to do adaptive load control which and so we're engaging with a couple of universities to do some studies around load analysis or adaptive load analysis in a distributed way. So we're excited about some of that research we'll see if we don't get to an opportunity to put the CNCF lab to use. The agenda for this upcoming meeting on Thursday centers around service mesh patterns so it's it's a topic within the working group. There have been a little less than 60 patterns identified so patterns being well in some respects best practices if you will about how it is that people can employ and can use service mesh functionality. A lot of functionality there differs across service meshes so the goal is to identify these patterns that are agnostic of the particular service mesh and this coming Thursday there'll be a review of those patterns on high level but with a demo which will include the open application model OAM and meshery and which is a service mesh management plane and so an integration of the two to allow people to take a given pattern as an example and put it to action put it into action. So so that's the upcoming agenda. The other items on the plate is just the public review period or kind of the public comment for ambassador which is proposed for incubation. I think we're you know newt nears I can tell we're currently revolving around naming project project names and and how those relate to maintainers that are involved and so I don't know that I have an update there from from what we see on the on the public thread but so that's sig network. Excellent there's a few questions in chat and as to your point about like the ambassador project yes that is that is tangled up in naming so give that some time but Cornelia if you want to be able to unmute and come ask your questions in here thank you. Yeah so so I love this you know you said it kind of as a side comment about engaging with the university on some research and having that happen underneath the sig umbrella that sounds super exciting to me there's so many elements of that engaging you know younger folks bringing them in you know students things like that tapping into the vast knowledge that's in the universities I wonder if whether there's anything I mean there's a whole story there and I we can't take a ton of time here today but I'd be super interested in hearing about that experience any best practices any tips any guidance how do we make something like that happen and maybe we can take that as a you know as a one-off sometime but if you have any comments to start. Yeah I won't take much time but I'll say that I think implicit to what to your excitement toward the the topic is is probably a number of shared points one of them is that well by their nature universities are kind of akin to the nature of the CNCF and that is to be agnostic or to you know don't really have skin in the game so to speak and so there have been a number of unsolved questions around well in this case around service meshes and microservices and distributed systems and behaviors and really trying to study and understand that so first of all some of those questions are deep and require people to think about it for a while so we've been just makes good for university research and then yeah to be to be all about the the research itself and less about the outcome has been it's been nice we've been a bit we've been intentional about reaching out to a couple of universities either either ones that were physically geographically convenient or some of this has happened in a happenstance way where we end up engaging with oh in the well the LFX or the community bridge program some of the GSoc GSod some of the the internship programs that engage with communities or with not communities with universities through those engagements with those students that's led to discussions with their professors who have or engaged in the particular field of study and so some of that's been a little happenstance I know there's a bit of related to this there's a bit of like there are the CNCF ambassadors program I think Cornelia of which maybe you wear multiple hats in this regard but there's been discussion about campus ambassador program and so that maybe a bridge to explore there interesting yeah there's more in chat from here all the way if you want to be able to talk about your European research project yeah so we what we also do we try to include especially open source related technologies now in the bigger European research project as well with CNCF technologies and actively bring them in which really works pretty fine because an European Union is interested in working more open source and also having more of this engagement in there and interestingly funding is actually pretty good of those projects so is it definitely helpful bringing in different projects and defining contributions and what we also did like the easiest way honestly to engage with universities without what we found and we're doing this now with us we Austrian universities is just offering a basic course on cloud native technologies especially in the math program there is not a lot out there and the universities are super happy doing this so we will our experience was when we were offering teaching people like how to use cloud native technologies so where it's underneath is it's about continuous delivery topics service matches they're super open and allowing to even have these lectures on this and this then usually leads them to for example us supporting a master's thesis and in one case now we are going even to PhDs having like a more agreed curriculum that we could reuse like all of us because we most likely would teach very similar things and would offer our time could be helpful but that's the easiest step into at least I can speak for our local universities here a lot of them don't teach many of the cloud native concepts it's very traditional computer science but they're very open when they get access to these technologies there's lots more in the chat um Chris Ihor I know you've been talking about some things in chat voice yeah and on the curriculum some wonderful ideas yeah that how to maintain a curriculum I think our plan was initially we started with some things internally but our plan was to have this more even open source going forward and if others are doing the same thing I think would be a nice way to collaborate and keep in mind like some of those students depending what you're targeting at you have to start maybe from okay this is a container this is how orchestration works this is how you build and deploy applications it's not like the super high-end stuff necessarily it's really getting them used to the technology that they can then dive deeper into topics that they're interested in and maybe also then reaching out to two different projects whether they have specific research questions just as he pointed out and then having local supporters there but I think it would be a good way to collaborate around these topics yeah and there are some resources available through CNCF um I know yeah Ihor runs the mentorship program here um but in the interest of time I'm happy to chat yeah go ahead yeah I'm happy to chat so if there are any questions for good in mentorship programs and how can be how they can be useful we can we can move this discussion out of the current meeting so we can we can chat on Slack or in some different way anyway as Chris mentioned please check out our mentoring report on the CNCF GitHub so all necessary information is listed there this sounds like it might be a topic for another meeting as well there's a lot in here awesome all right any other questions around SIG network okay we'll move on oh it's like observability um Richie I know that there's probably not much from your side this week because the slide never got updated but happy to pass to you yeah there is a little bit of updates but I didn't get around to updating the slide sorry um so the main update is that there's a lot more uh engagement between Prometheus and open telemetry or not more it's increasing ever increasing um there's also now a Prometheus working group within open telemetry um to um work together on on all the things and I'm I'm having a case of too many tabs Chris there was one more thing the last meeting and yes I know I'm coming here pretty unprepared and I'm sorry for this Richie I'm willing to add two more things for SIG of observability we have the observability one-on-one training type stuff so like blog posts and material is currently being worked on we have a proposal for that uh in part of the observability agenda if people are interested in taking that and also the also talking about open telemetry there is paperwork now for uh incubation proposals so we'll be reviewing that as part of SIG observability for those interested that's pretty much it great okay um we can move on then I don't see any other questions in chat things coming up runtime hey everyone welcome to the new TOC members yeah so um I think not a lot of updates from last time we did actually have two meetings but we're continuing to engage more projects reaching out to more of them and trying to get them to present in our meetings so on the containers and runtime space we have a meeting next Thursday and that's six box it's a project that allows you to run containers like VMs so for people who want to have that VM experience and but but running and run the workloads in containers so we'll see the presentation and sounds like an exciting project and we also have been engaging more of the web assembly runtime projects so there's uh wasmer wasm time and wavm so wasmer uh they are interested in presenting and I've yet to actually hear back from them if they confirm or they are they're going to confirm for uh February 18th uh so wasmer is one of the more popular uh web assembly runtimes you can embed code in or embed in the language uh the the runtime like go or rust or python and you could also uh run them as a standalone using the what they call the wasi interface the web assembly system interface uh and then wasm time is another runtime that is very similar to wasmer and that is part of the bytecode alliance and I think there's some conversations about the bytecode alliance maybe joining the linux foundation but that's not happening yet but that's one of their projects and they also allow you to embed or web assembly in your code and also the support wasi so hopefully we we get them to present soon another web assembly runtime is wavm and we reached out to them and they are written in c++ they're not as popular as the other ones but we still want to you get an overview and engage them swam is another one and they mentioned that they need to get some things together and then they'll be presenting maybe later in the year now in the operating system space we had a presentation from vortail uh and this is basically one of those operating systems or lightweight operating systems that allow you to run containers so kind of like coro s or talos some other projects that presented previously in our meetings and then rest ctl they are presenting sometimes soon they haven't scheduled it yet they responded yesterday they they will they're still interested in in in presenting the project and finally in the ai ops and iot space we did have a presentation from kube flow that's end to end machine learning so from creating your your models and your jupiter notebooks all the way to deploying to a production environment serving that machine learning model and being able to do the inference while serving the model so yeah they presented at our last meeting so pretty exciting and and this is one of the areas of the six so we're trying to get more of the machine learning or mlops type of projects and k3s is another project that we still are talking for them to present they're part of the cncf already so we just want to get more engagement and as far as the run the sake activities so there's a kubecon and you so we're planning to submit a maintainer session so to get more involvement from their community yeah and that's that's all i have for the updates happy to take any questions see if you have any um doesn't look like a question just because i chatter over in chat um but happy to hear from folks oh yeah um there's a question oh wow how do they i know that's a different one i really hope that some of these folks combine projects that's way too early yeah so yeah that's what alina mentioned so there the it's kind of early so hopefully uh they work together because yeah they're doing different they're doing some of the same and you know separately and there's a work or a nonprofit called by code alliance and they're trying to bring in all the projects together so hopefully they can bring in all the communities uh so they all work together and they come up with the same standards i mean they're coming up with the standards but but but hopefully they come up with the same implementation so so there's more of a clear winner um and yeah and this will be helpful for people adopting it and and basically using more for cloud native environments uh and then yeah web assembly is that i mean we had a meeting uh to see meeting a few weeks ago and it's um very similar to what the jbms uh so you create this by code and it can be run in any platform or it can be running on the web uh so so it's very uh transferable and you can uh yeah run it anywhere and so that's one of the things that that it's very attractive um so we'll see where it goes and but but it it seems like uh a lot of people are interested so uh there's another comment that says oh for anyone working on a new uh runtimes our cfd is open okay oh container plumbing oh yeah so there's a conference and that's we'd love to have a speaker on while sometimes okay yeah so for those who wants to somebody from the audience can submit something or we can reach out to some of the members of the sick to submit a proposal there i think there's also an event happening kubecon for web assembly um so if somebody's interested in submitting web assembly talks then it will be great to get more traction in the area yeah and then chris uh actually uh posted the the link on the chat cfd is open cfd is open all right thank you i i don't think we've got anything else so thank you we'll move on thank you sick security jj you did in fact not miss anything go ahead cool cool thanks thanks thanks yeah i mean like i was worried because i woke up late and joined late so um uh sick security i think we've been uh pretty busy the last uh few months and i think uh people have seen white paper come out there's a lot of interest for the white paper and translation efforts have been started for the white paper as you can see there's one chinese translation pr spending and get merged there's also portuguese translation somebody picked up that they wanted to translate that to portuguese so uh that is one effort that's going on membership also be sort of increased to 72 members from 52 different organizations across and pretty active participation uh the other effort that i think got started was uh we spun up uh supply secure supply chain working group there are a few projects that are of interest there i think if anybody who's interested in that i think should join uh given all the breaches and stuff that are happening i think it will be a nice one for everybody to get to know and contribute if if anyone has any time uh there's been a lot of demand for a different time zone uh to join the meeting um it's been there for the last few i mean last six seven months uh that's always been an ask but we just didn't want to move early and create something where there will only be two people attending that meeting so we sort of pushed it out and now officially we launched uh apac friendly uh meeting time uh and if anybody is outside of here wants to join that i think uh there'll be a pretty good way to get engaged with sick security there'll be cross pollination between that meeting and this this and uh we'll probably transfer content over from this to that uh from the us time zone meeting to the apac time meeting we also kick started a serverless security white paper uh that's starting and that's in the works uh it's at the early stages if anybody's interested in contributing to that please reach out to members in the sick security i think they'll get you connected that's mostly about it from my side any questions any thing that i can answer doesn't look like it so thank you thank you yeah we'll move on sick storage is this what you wanted or do you want me to reload it if you could reload it i appreciate it give me a hot minute sorry it's my turn to make last minute changes that's okay you get one free pass this is your one like all you just so you know let's see what it does we'll just run through everybody else's slides first all right much better your turn all right then um so the longhorn project we do need to sync up with sad and review the incubation persistence and go through the dd we also had a new project chamber fs who the that project was one of the first projects we we put through as a sandbox from the sig and now they're looking to move to incubation so that's exciting i'm going to reach out to the project to to ask them to present at the next sequel so we can so we can review the current status and open ebs we have currently ongoing discussions with with the project team and we need to make some decisions there um we have been working on the last two meetings on a project presentation and and a disaster recovery document disaster recovery document is is is particularly exciting we've we've had a new member in the sig rafael s but suoli who has contributed the bulk of the content and we're looking for comments on the disaster recovery document we're we're kind of trying to figure out if we're going to look to publish this as a standalone document or to merge it with the larger the larger white paper we're just exploring different ways of structuring it um but but nevertheless comments very very welcome on that um and we had a presentation of of vineyards which is a project by alibaba which is a fairly innovative use of a distributed shared memory to help with analysis and and various various data management across across communities clusters for very complex datasets so and so it's it's a part it's a bit niche but it's it's a very interesting technology they plan to submit to to the sandbox review process um and finally what i'd like to talk about is um we're we're going through a process to um recruit some additional tech leads mostly because the TOC keeps stealing members of our of our little sig with with saad first and now erin but we have we have two great candidates rafael who i mentioned who who has been the focal point for our disaster recovery document and sheng yang who uh from rancher who has been um contributing to the sig and and working with us for for quite a while too um so i plan to get bios and submit them to the TOC mailing list to start the vote process uh and that's me excellent good fun um any questions in here anything rising okay um of note the next sandbox annual sorry the sandbox review process is going to be on march 23rd um and i have put this over in the public meeting working ducts that everyone knows when that's coming um we'll probably have more conversations about that but that's kind of upcoming pieces in here um and yeah welcome to our new TOC members i i think that's pretty much it for the day any other questions comments things that people wanted to cover okay then i'll let you all go good to see everyone all right thank you hi