Everyone's energy level is really low after lunch. Your screen is no longer on. Ah! Ryan told me I didn't need to change anything. Christopher Neugebauer, who is a absolutely integral part of the Australian open source communities, Python and Linux and all the things. You should all come to Hobart in January next year when he's running a small conference. It's going to be awesome. And today he's going to be telling us about how we can decide between continuity and change in open source. Let's make him feel welcome. Thank you very much for that, Katie. Yes, as Katie mentioned, my name is Chris. My Twitter handle is hidden somewhere on that slide if you wish to harass me via Twitter. You can do so if you can find my Twitter handle. Small challenge for you after lunch. Have you figured it out yet? Great. So I'm from this city here. It's Hobart, which is somewhere in the south of Australia, north of here, but south of most of Australia. I run a lot of open source conferences. Notably, I ran the two Australian PyCons in 2012 and 2013. And as a result of doing that, I was elected as a fellow of the Python Software Foundation in 2013. As Katie mentioned, I'm the organizer of LinuxConf AU 2017. So you should come to Hobart. We'll be opening ticket sales in a few weeks. And basically, I'm going to be talking about stuff that is tangentially related to my work on LCA this year. So running conferences has meant that I haven't really had a whole lot of time to write code or contribute to open source projects over the last few years. And this year, I decided one way to fix that would be to combine both of these roles into the same thing by working on an open source project that helps me maintain the conferences that I run. And this is the first time I've sort of been leading my own open source project, well, code project conferences aside. And this work has been mostly enabled by the grants program of the Python Software Foundation, who I would like to thank. So community run conferences exhibit most of the difficulties that open source projects, open source code projects have. But they tend to be amplified in the extreme because when you are running events in physical spaces, there are deadlines. They have financial penalties. But the staff of volunteers and many people who are within a team are in your team because they want to scratch some form of their own itch. And over the last 10 years, enough people within Linux ConfAU decided that writing conference management software was an itch that was worth scratching. It resulted in a project called ZooKeeper, which it survived 10 years, so clearly wasn't too bad on the surface. You can take what I say in some of the coming slides of sort of, I guess, a coded critique of certain aspects of ZooKeeper perhaps. Clinton is twitching. Is that coffee, Clinton? Okay. It's coffee, we'll trust Clinton. So I mentioned that a lot of volunteer conferences capture difficulties that open source projects have in general, but amplified. So open source projects experience a phenomenon called drive-through contributors, or drive-by contributors, they're often called, but that has certain connotations in certain places. We like to think of people as being not quite so violent. These are contributors who show up, have a short interaction with the project, and then leave, just like a drive-through. Conference organizers who use conference management software are like drive-through contributors in the extreme. They have a project. They have an engagement with that project that fulfills their own needs, and then they often disappear. And for more on this phenomenon of drive-through contributors, I recommend Vicki Braser's talk from Pike on Australia last month. Likewise, the maintainability of software becomes less of a relevant issue as deadlines approach. There's less time available to spend on code review because deadlines are approaching and eyeballs are hitting the site and you need to get things fixed now. And this is, if you think about it, conference sites have a fixed maintenance cycle. Maintaining one conference's website stops. It stops being useful after that conference is finished, which has meant there's actually been a fork of ZooKeeper, that's LCA's project, for every year of Lynx Confey use since 2010, and most of those forks did not get merged back into Mainline because the people who were developing on them stopped caring after their engagement with the conference finished. And so if you imagine running a conference like an agile sprint, the earlier timeframe in an organization has this whole pile of things that you want to achieve, and you've got some people who can go and solve stuff. So all things being equal, you go and pick the things that you want to do most first. The things you think are fun that you think you can do and you think you can spend time on. And the later you get into the process, there's still a bunch of stuff that needs doing, it's less easy to do, and there's a lot less time to actually get things done. And the result of this is that problems that emerge very late in planning do not tend to get fixed, even if you see exactly the same problem emerge year after year after year. If people don't have the time to solve them when they come up, they do not get solved at all. So this year I've tried to do a different approach somewhat. We're dropping ZooKeep and have decided instead to use a different existing conference management project or package and writing the code that's necessary to bring the existing software up to scratch to come to parity with what we've expected in the past, well, at least the good bits. This essentially has found me writing the ticket sales software for conferences and trying to solve some of the mistakes that the ZooKeeper project made over the years. But I've been involved in running PyCon Australia now for a few years and I've failed to make the case for change for a few years now and we end up using ZooKeeper again for the 2016 conference. And this was even with the promise of working functional code to use for the 2016 conference. I was not really able to bring the community over. So I guess this talk is about what I've learned in five years of failing to get people to act differently. So I'd like to talk about how we successfully affected this project but right now the project isn't complete. We haven't run the conference with it. I can't really talk about how it went. It seems to be going okay for now, I guess. What I can talk about though is what thought went into making this project happen. So we're going to take a bit of a philosophical look into how we bring these community projects to change the software that underpins it. There's a bit of a point of view in here. You can take what I say with a grain of salt or you can not. I don't really mind. So justification of change or continuity for that matter generally comes to the idea of a cost-benefit analysis. Your way up what it will take to make a change and what benefits the change will bring about. So when you're a for-profit operation, a cost-benefit analysis really asks one question. Will the time and money that is saved into the future exceed the amount of time and money spent to affect that change? Now, secondary question you might have here is when this will happen because if it's going to take ten years into the future for something to take effect, then you might not be around to see it pay off so you don't really want to do it. It might not be worth it now, especially if you have an extended amount of pain. But the point is the metrics are tangible when you're dealing with money and you're trying to make a profit.  Indeed, where possible, spending more money to reduce burnout, for example, and increase familiarity and joy with the processes, with no monetary reward, that can be a good thing. People are on open-source projects because they want to feel belonging and they want to feel ownership of what they achieve. They generally want to feel like they're doing good things, they're doing good work. Burning out volunteers is a thing that happens, but it's really hard to measure. And indeed, if you don't have the resources to go and measure it, the actual act of measuring the things might be something that the project doesn't have the capacity to do and might cause burnout in and of itself. Because volunteer's time is limited. So projects don't sail smoothly from start to finish, they're living their breathing things, they last through multiple years, volunteers come and go, people's directions change, projects make mistakes, they develop technical debt, they can become obsolete. So continuity is what happens when the benefits of change, the change that you want to make, are severely out-weighted by the cost to your community. I don't have much to say about continuity, other than sometimes it happens and for the most part that is fine. That said, well-considered change can look like continuity to the casual observer. And if so, it's really, really easy to justify because even if you change things substantially, you don't impact what the remainder of the community sees. Who here knows about Django channels? Okay, so it's an addition to Django that allows you to do web sockets and asynchronous stuff. And if you're familiar with developing for Django, there is a request response cycle in it. That doesn't really match how web sockets works. So with channels, the developer Andrew Godwin entirely rewrote Django's event infrastructure but kept the API for request and response cycles exactly the same. That meant that most of the community would not be affected if they decided they did not need the asynchronous stuff that channels provided. But the people who needed it got that change they needed. So it looked like continuity to the vast majority of Django developers. Python 3 is also a good example of this. Though it took until about version 3.3, that's five years after Python 3 came out, until the community at large realized it was actually continuity. Sorry, Barry. The harder type of change to justify is the wholesale replacement of something that was completely important to people with something else. And this is harder to justify because it intimately involves people who aren't you with the unknown. It means that the development on the old thing is tenuous and possibly wasted effort and that development on new ideas might not pay off. And so I'm going to be spending the most of the rest of this talk on considering how to handle this sort of wholesale change. Examples of wholesale change in the open source world. Who knows what Turbogears was and who he uses Turbogears anymore? So a few years ago, the project leads of both Turbogears 2 and the Pyramid project realized that their goals were exactly the same and they decided to merge the products. Unfortunately, this resulted in the entire Turbogears community disappearing and the Pyramid project not really getting the developers they wanted. There are successful projects that have done this. In the late 1990s, a fork of GCC called EGCS emerged. It fixed a bunch of problems with GCC and eventually became the project known as GCC and that project went and absorbed all the contributors to the fork. Another example of wholesale change is Python 3 before people realized there was a common subset of the language and compatibility tools appeared. It appeared as a wholesale change for most developers. So with change comes risk. Open source projects being run mostly by volunteers have a few that you need to consider specifically. So the first one is bike shedding. Bike shedding is when you have endless arguments over relatively minor details of a large proposal rather than substantive engagement in big issues. Now, this phenomenon is actually really, really frequent in volunteer projects because commenting on something takes a really small time commitment and people tend to comment on things that they can grasp easily. But large scale change takes a large commitment to understand. You have to go and read all the background, look at large swathes of code in order to understand what's going on and making a useful contribution. Bike shedding is a waste of time and it leads to key architectural decisions not getting the sort of scrutiny that they deserve. And this is often because volume of comments is often mistaken for rigor. People thinking that seeing lots of comment on a proposal means that it's been well considered. Now, bike shedding is something that should be considered inevitable on any project. But it's important to reduce it at inopportune moments. So one way to do this is to focus on getting code done before having planning meetings or rather having endless amounts of planning meetings. Now, open source projects uniquely are susceptible to forking. You can fork things on GitHub and that doesn't really matter, but if you have a large project and the large project forks and has two different communities splitting because some members want to focus on one priority other members want to focus on something different. Now, whilst it's not something that needs to be avoided at all costs, if you lose volunteers it can hurt. You should always consider what you need to do to maintain all of your volunteers and what you can do to keep them on board. That said, you don't need to try to keep people who want to go and work on old code. If they want to do that and not work on your things that's probably not worth your while to force them to do what they don't want to do because having people who don't really want to be there can reduce morale across the entirety of your team. Now, after you've considered that change is necessary consider how to make people in your community want to make the same sorts of changes that you want to make. So the more central the thing that you're trying to change to your project, the greater amount of the project you are going to affect. Generally, if something exists in your project then there is somebody out there who owns it or feels a really, really strong emotional attachment to that part of your project. There might be a user whose ability to work at all is affected if the thing that you're doing stops being there. Give fair consideration to whose needs are more important. If you focus on the needs of current developers it will often help you maintain momentum with your current contributor base, you know, keep a project rolling along. But focusing on end users can lead to growing your user and contributor base because users can become contributors if your software meets their needs better and they want to work on it and help make it even better. If you're having difficulty attracting new contributors focusing on your existing developer pool might not necessarily be the right idea. In the case of Linux ConfEU even though our change was motivated by fixing issues with end user usability we made the decision to adopt a base platform with a significant existing developer base which meant that our own community had a better support base for our own developers. Speak to the people who you know will most benefit. Getting support is really, really important before going and taking your changes to a larger group of people who might end up offering resistance. Doing that progressively is a great way to do that. So how can you make this happen? Well, you offer a clear pathway to achieving the changes that you want. What's the end goal that you're trying to achieve? Are there intermediate steps where you will need help?  In our case for LCA we set deadlines for evaluating the functionality of new software before undertaking any development work. We knew when things would need to appear to be viable before we could commit to using the new stuff so we knew when stuff would have to be ready and we knew exactly when we would be able to back out. Now once you've advocated for the need for change you need to figure out how to go and affect that. A community in general will not accept immediate change that is handed to them down from above by dictum with very, very, very few exceptions. People in an open source project or any volunteer project for that matter will not decide to do something just because their project lead tells them to do it. That's because usually volunteers are in a project because they have some sort of itch that they want to scratch for themselves. Deciding that you want to go and do a large pile of work does not mean that everybody in your organization is going to want to do that large pile of work, especially if there is no clear benefit to them making the contributions that you're asking them to make. Now if you're in a community that centres around code which most open source projects are, being able to say, this here is what we can do is a better thing to be able to say than wouldn't it be good if we could go and do this thing? Showing that you have something that you can do and needs improvement is better than asking somebody to contribute to something that's completely nebulous. This comes down to giving your volunteers a clear pathway towards the end goal at all times. You make it obvious that progress is being made towards solving their problems and you make it clear that the problems that they have are being solved. And in general, having work in code almost always prevents bike shedding with great reliability. Now it doesn't always make sense to involve absolutely every stakeholder in a project, at least at first. There'll always be people in a project who think that they're completely fine with the status quo. People who don't have much of an incentive to change what they're doing. Instead, a better thing to do is to find people who are having difficulty with the way things currently are, people who are being let down because these are the people who you can most obviously help by doing things. Volunteers are generally there because they want to work on your project. So find out how you can help them do that. That said, don't exclude people forever. Get engagement from people and do that, and that's best done when you have a proposal for people to hack on and improve. Don't exclude people permanently. Involving people at the right time means that you can have greater control over the sorts of resistance that you might encounter. Having a working prototype or mostly finished products means that you can change the decision from should we start doing this work to should we adopt this change. And should we adopt this change is a much, much easier decision for a community to make as a whole rather than should we go and do some work. Now, sometimes the energy required to get something up and running exceeds what volunteers can do in a weekend, for example. That said, there are organizations out there that can help you raise funds in order to achieve an initial working project. My conference management work has been funded by the Python Software Foundation. But other projects have used various foundations programs. Excuse me. I've also seen Kickstarter and Patreon used a quite decent effect to kick off or maintain various project success. Actually having money to go and work on useful code and get useful code for the community to evaluate is a really good thing. So once you do go off and do the things you expect to do involve everybody you can throughout the process. Make sure that you are doing the right thing and that you bring your community with you. At the same time, keep their expectations managed. Make sure they know what's happening and they don't know, and they don't get wild expectations of what's going to happen. In my case, my work with the PSF has meant that I've needed to give regular status updates to the board. And I've also involved other potential contributors and LCA team members as the times have been right. They know where things are at as I develop them. And finally, sometimes your attempts will not work, and that's absolutely fine. Just make sure that if you are going to fail to achieve what you've set out to that it happens for the right reasons because the things you wanted to do weren't necessary. If your ideas were flawed. Or that there are better solutions to the problem that you're trying to solve. Not because you went the wrong way about trying to do what you're doing. And with that, I think we have time for questions. Thank you. We have a couple of minutes for questions. Did anyone have a question? So, what do you think the role of or maybe the effect of having a very strong BDFL is on a project where when consensus can't be made they can say it'll be this way or it'll be that way versus it's more hurting cats on a project. Well, I mean there's always... So, if you have arguments it's always good that your argument can end at some point. Because nobody likes having a thousand long threads on mailing lists with no clear outcome at the end. There are places where having a BDFL whose opinion is respected works. For example, the... Like every single Python enhancement proposal basically goes through Guido these days or somebody who Guido really trusts on a particular area. And that tends to yield really good results for Python. It's really a matter of the BDFL being trusted by the rest of the community to make good decisions. I'm not going to say it works absolutely well everywhere. Like you could argue that, for example, the Linux kernel alienates a lot... The Linux kernel process alienates a lot of people because of Linux's approach to solving problems. So, there are places where it works. There are some places where it might be seen to be technically effective but hurts the community. It really depends on who your BDFL is. Tim? For the audience, can you just describe what you mean by BDFL? Oh, yes, sorry. BDFL stands for Benevolent Dictator for Life. In the Python world, Guido van Rossem is the BDFL. He is basically the sole arbiter of all enhancements to the Python programming language. And generally, I think the community has decided that his opinions on making the language are pretty good. I mean, Python is a pretty good language and he rarely makes terrible decisions. That is a BDFL. Thanks, Chris. I was wondering if you had any advice for, say, dealing with poisonous people, right? Like, you've been... you've put up some strategies for preventing bike-shitting. But let's say that there may be two or three people taking a disproportionate amount of time from some... if you had any ideas or any success stories. In my case, I tend to just exclude those sorts of people. If you can... Hmm. Not pointed at all. If you can make technical decisions that avoid... or that avoid needing to consult with those sorts of people and build up a critical mass around the decision that those poisonous people would not want you to make, then generally, people just stop listening to them. You know, a lot of people sort of... a lot of people continue doing what they're doing because they see what they do as effective. And if, you know, if they don't get the results that they expect, they'll probably stop doing it. Demotivation is a wonderful tool. We have time for one or two more.  Gosh. Very much on conferences, but not on software. How do we encourage conference organisers to not live in the shadows of previous conferences and let them decide how they want their conference to run? Hmm. Interesting question because one Australia which I've been involved with has very much had a, I guess, an incremental improvement approach to continuing the conference. So getting the subsequent organisers to make minimum possible changes. I don't have many thoughts on that, that are well formed at the moment, but you should come and ask me later on. Were there any more questions? You talked about obviously the human aspect and organisation of stuff, let's say like the process. I was wondering in terms of the insights how much of a difference the technical tools and the underlying infrastructure make a difference. Okay. So firstly technical problems are easy. The more people, if you have smart enough people to solve problems and you can set them aside doing it without needing to interact with people, they will probably solve the problem for some definition of solved. I think a lot of the problems with ZooKeeper were social ones and solving the social problems with ZooKeeper led to having a better technical solution, I think. Basically, I think tech problems will tend to solve themselves if you have the right social tools in place at first as long as you have capable people. And that's all the time we have. Let's all thank Christopher again for this good talk.


I should have, like, a party pop or just phew phew phew phew phew phew phew phew Ten K. Give away. Ten K. I mean, we're not giving away Ten K, but we made it to Ten K Air Go. Giveaways. Are you about to fire work in the house? I'm scared. Linda! What's up, Sheila? How are these lovely ladies doing today? I know, isn't it bananas? So, hi, Sarah. Sheila says I'm so glad you guys just came on. I'm so bored right now. Bananas is the Ten K situation. I didn't think we'd ever get there, but then I had it, like, projected for September. By September 1, we'd have 10,441 subs. I'm not really sure where I came up with that number, but that's what it was. And we blew our goal out of the whole water. B, what are you doing?  Oh, my God, y'all, he just set off a firework in the house. Hi, Petra. Thanks, Anthony. Mary, Jane. Bad, bad, like, do we need to put a burn cream? Is it bubbling? We need a nurse.  What is that? Ten K giveaway. Or let's just pop it open for celebration. You have to do it over here. Why is it? Because you set off 19, y'all, walk with me. See how smoky it is in here? This is not because I have a dirty lens. I'll prove it. Jesus.  It should have. Basically, we're not in a, I know. And I have the window, like, look how foggy. It was sparklers, but it was like colored sparklers that made everything bananas. And then Jeff burned his thumb. Nurse. He just said, y'all might need to worry about that alarm. I'm kind of glad it didn't go off because we have, like, a water sprinkler system set up. And I'd rather not. Who knows? Are you going to do the thing? Well, he wasn't anywhere close to our, like, he went from lighting it to, and burning his thumb and putting it out in the sink. They don't have to leave. They can do it after the end of this. But we want to do it right now. So it would just be on there. We can see it. The very first person. They all just said his initials. Everybody. Guys, I said wait. I know. Everybody's like, I already know the answer. We're going to do a giveaway during this speed. I'm going to pour this 10 by 20 seascape for you guys. And we're going to figure out how to make it a giveaway during this. Everybody knows your son's initials. Who was the first one? Watch Austin be on here. He'd be like, I know. Lisa Wyatt. Lisa Wyatt, you get coasters. I know. We'll get, let me write that down because I'll forget. You'll get coasters. And also we're going to figure out how to make this a giveaway. Are you going to pop that open? Hi Sheila. 20 sparklers and it did not go the way. It's going to be 15k before the night's out. 10k. Are you kidding me? You should not do it over where we have all the lights. Hi Happy Owl. Oh my God, I'm going to get hit in the face. I'm ready. I'm scared. I'm still scared. That's what he said. My God. It's right over all the things. 10k. Do you want a knife? It's literally just not. It's probably because it was in the freezer. Do you think it? It is frozen. Why would you put that in the freezer? I didn't, JD did. Genius. I didn't think alcohol froze. This is a sparkling situation. It's going to freeze. It's probably best that it doesn't pop open. I'm surprised it hasn't broken. Well, it's not all the way frozen yet. Patty says another injury on deck. I hope so, Lars. Cooks. Don't put it in the freezer. Extra dry. You would have hated that anyways. Let's just let it sit out until the end of the video. Put it in the sun. That's what I said. Sheila is not an alcoholic in it to make it not freeze. Congrats, Jeff and Erica. Hearts to your success in frozen champagne. Thanks. I know. Next, we need to get some safety goggles. All right. We'll save this. Tell the end of the video. All right. I'm going to add some lines to my this. Right, Linda. Or Lydia. Linda. I just woke up. What? I'm going to put some glitter in there. Or is it just a resin? That's pretty much just all red, resin and glitter. How smoky that got. I know. It went from zero to all the real place. That's crazy. Put your thumb in the freezer of champagne. Yeah, I need to. Like, look at that. Lighting sparklers. I guess it just got hot real quick. I got too excited. What, what was my, I put, I didn't even remember this, but I made a video last night where we were at after hours place. And everybody was apple cider vinegar. Put ice on it. I got it right here. It's not that bad. I'm missing a finger or something. It's, it's just uncomfortable. That's about it. It's not like, hi, Rona. Hi, Danielle. Yes, we, we're doing mystery boxes. And what the mystery boxes are, are basically what they say. $25, $50 and 100. And basically, you, you buy it and we just put different things that that we have. Stickers, stir sticks, shirts, artwork, pigments, paint, powders, resin, a taco cash. You never know what you're going to get. Hence mystery box. What did Ron say? Everybody says tacos. Boxes, boxes of Jeff's cut up socks. Don't give us ideas. I know, right? Ron, you'll get the first box of cut up socks. Okay, Val. German Shepard and she decided to go park at a car and lit. Okay. Yeah, vinegar will smooth it. Hi, Becky Freeman. Welcome, Cherie. S-H-E-R-R I-E. All the Rs. All right, you guys got to slow down on the on the comments. I'm a little hungover, so high flow zone, flow zone one, Tiffany. Thank you for the thumbs up. Looks like there are a couple of people in this in this live feed that didn't thumbs up. Largely going to Waffle House. Next goal, 25K. Kelly, next goal, 100K.  Thank you, Tiffany. Here we go, kids. What are you guys doing today to celebrate Memorial Day? Memorial Day for the loved ones that served for our amazing country. I got it. Do you just put it on there or you soak it or what? Do I put it in it? Did I just put my thumb in there? Hey! It's not ATD after dark. So, before I left last night, Erica said if you come home, which I always come home and unless I'm with Ron and I stay at his place, she said if you come home, bring me food.  Have this hot dog. And then about 12 people came in behind me. He's in my closet. I'm taking driver's license. It can be flexed. Welcome. Don't think we missed much. What did ideas say? Amen, Tandy.  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that. It really hurts more now. That is terrible. It was a horrible idea whoever told me to do that. What did ideas say? What can I use to wipe off my resin when I have ink pens on? I won't smudge my ink pens. What? Brittany Rodriguez says, what can I use to wipe off my resin when I have ink pens on? On it that won't smudge my ink pens. She's talking about putting the lines on ideas. I think so. Ideas. I'm not tipsy, I'm just hungover. I'm just drawn that way.  It really literally, it hurts more now that I put the vinegar on it. Sorry, Trace. I traced the color. I never cuss on here. I cuss in person so that probably is why. I try to do my best. I won't cuss anymore. You can still be on here. I apologize. Jenny and Fitzy made it. Hi, Jenny. Let's move on to the giveaway piece for today. It's so weird how deep this is. Probably what she said. Like, I'll hand it over to you. It's so weird how deep it is. I can't believe how much these smoke. So, this is one and this is how much it's smoking. I lit like 20. Look at that smoke. Horrible idea. Good morning. High shy. Passion lotus. You took one for the team. Do what? Hold on, we're going to get you guys out of this here. I'm going to go on an adventure. This is really interesting to me. Like the depth in this. And this. It's that pectobismal color. It's in there. Not that. The underpour that's down there. I'm not sure about this reflex red. Well, you put She want to know if you put clear coat over that final project. When I'm done with it, I'll probably clear coat it just to see a line in the pen. Are you too injured before? Maybe. Really? Geez. I can't even, I can't hitchhike now. We may not have to amputate. So Ian Jeff, this is our one year anniversary of me being your fan and fam. Shy. Today's a one year. One year at 10,000 subscribers. Coincidence I think not. Cheers. One hour or five hour energy shot. Breakfast at JVM. Thought that was paint she was drinking. No Ron, she wasn't drinking paint. Shots for everybody. Hold on, I want to show them the piece from last night. Dude, there is so much trash in here. It's not trash, it's air. There's no way it's air. That wasn't, there was no air at the final heat. Always. You can feel it. It's trash. I love it. It's how I thought it would turn out. Just being just being so subtle and transparent the colors. The brown, I probably should have put a little bit more pigment in it. But the gold and the nickel and the white too. This isn't really pretty. They probably can't hear us. You guys hardly ever art badly. Thanks Alan. If anybody is interested in it's for sale. I'm giving a good price on it. You just have to pay for shipping and it's a Labor Day special. Last night I said 500 today. No, I said 6 and then I said 500. Ask Megan she'll remind you. Carol says I love the piece in the back with the runoff. That's awesome. Oh I think she means this one. That was I think one of my first waterfall pours. Or that one I'm not sure. That might be reserved or sold. Which one? That one's sold. Carol, that one. Sounds good. It was like you were like going like this. Yeah, that one. That one right there. Oh yeah. No, that one. Is it this one or this one? Is it A or B? Cale B is not. Creepy has face behind E. That one? Keeps looking at me. That's the stoner guy. You see his He's got a little eye. He's been punching the nose a couple of times and he's puff puff give. What did Ron say? Ron? Oh yeah. That's a $500. Diane, today that price we're going to go ahead and let that painting go for $400 plus shipping. $400? Thanks Diane. $10,000. It's a $12 by $36. Thanks Molly, you too. Carrie says you guys should do an ATD sippy coosie. Oh yeah, we're working on that. I guess these are your colors? No teal? How long has everyone been pouring? Kelly Green wants to know how long has everyone been pouring? We've been doing it about a year. Hubby got me a shirt the other day that said my oath of my oath of hmm? You want to take over the floor? I know Megan. We can't plug in the mic because she's charging her phone. How long do I tell how long you have? Swipe down I won't give you a percentage to unplug it and when it gets 20% plug plug. It's on at least half. Mike check, one, two, one, two. Sexy little mic right there because of our friend Diane and the little fuzzy thing on it they called it dead cat. Where's the dead cat at? I put it I'm going to put it with all the stuff. No it didn't, it's up there. Maybe we haven't used this color yet. This is what this is what comes with it and they call it a dead cat it's mainly used for when you're outside. Like if you're riding your bike or your skateboard and you're vlogging for wind interference. It's probably going to be one of my favorite colors. I have one. We got one. Thumb protector right? I should have that on my thumb It would have 100% let on fire. Lucy, what are you waiting for? Yeah, Lucy. Does it sound better? Are people saying? Yeah. Okay, I have one more bit of resin left and these are my colors. What should I add? It's a very expensive hobby. Tim right in?  Watch YouTube right now. Everybody say hi to our friend Amanda. Hi Amanda. Amanda Garcia. Hi Amanda. I have one more resin left. What color should I add? Have this deep blue. This is the dark blue. That's not a hard one. Pull sapphire maybe. I'm going to use lures. Sapphire. Because Erica and somebody said silver. I was thinking about putting some of that chameleon in. Would that throw it off all the way off? I love this color. B, what do you think about adding that chameleon paint? Way left field? Yeah. Who got this for us? Ron? Ron. We definitely need to add this. For like the sand? Chameleon. Chameleon, I thought chameleon turned three or four different colors. There are some just two tone chameleons and that's a two tone. But those work better than... Look how cute this little cup is. I know it. It's a mini M or a these. They got a six, one to one. What is that?  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cost. It's Sunday. Oh, it's Monday. That's a hurl of it. Sorry if that person does. I love when they get dirty in class. Sorry. It's not ATD. I'm dark right now. ATD, Ron. I'm center. Sorry. Diane, Jeff and Erica, what colors are you using at class? We haven't decided yet. We haven't decided yet. You know there's going to be a teal in there. Thoughts? What colors would you guys prefer? Or would like? They'll probably want to do an ocean. If you took our class. Should we just do like ocean colors? Should we do peacock colors? There's a purple, Mayron, and play with my red sun. Okay. Okay. Purple, teal, white, peacock, yes. Right? The peacock colors were popular. Choice of the day. Something with magenta. Love that magneta. Hi Khaleesi. Khaleesi? Hi Khaleesi. Thank you. I know. We tried to pop a bottle, but it was frozen. He missed it. Celebration fail. It's gone. It's already thought out guys. Don't hit me in the face. I'm using Art Resin if you want to. Oh my god. It's just not coming. Oh, I built it twist. Turn it so they can see it. And also not see me hiding. Alright. Okay. Okay. I'm hiding. Alright. I'm going to try to do this guys. Don't bust the window. For the 10K giveaway. 10K. 10K celebration. Oh wait. I'm scared. Okay. Ready? Are you guys ready? This is for the 10K. 10K. 5 4 3 2 1 There we go kids. I'm scared. 10K Cooks. Nothing but the best. We're high-end or nothing. She's checking out our Facebook. And my self-operate is on. TV choices. Life problems. And these are great goose glasses. I don't have any champagne flutes. On my Texas coaster. Is that going to be a negative for? No. No. I'm just getting my bearing. Since you usually do these. There you go babe. Thanks love. Thank you to everybody. Everybody in this room right now. It wouldn't be anything. Or possible without all of you. We appreciate you. This one's to you guys. This one is to you guys. Tink. Tink. More tink. Remember it's not a shot. It's not a shot. Cheers. Cheers. Tink. Sippy. Sippy. Cheers CJ. Cheers Mona. Tamara. Mud Pie. Girl. Mud Pie girl. How did you get your name?  What's the story on that? Inquiring minds need to know. Thanks Lydia. Thanks Lisa. She's about to write a novel to you. So you can know the full story.  How have you not been put in time out by now? She's always the one. Between her and Ron. Like if we had human resources you would be all up in human resources right now. Just trouble all the time. I should be sure this is human resources. FHR. That would be sick. Garcia, is she talking now? Definitely Erica. What is you drink of choice? Um Diane asks what is your drink of choice? I'm a cider kind of gal. Cider and wine. Erica loves cider. I'm a Mexican beer kind of guy. Not Corona. No Corona. You won't drink it. I used to play in mud and make mud pies. So my sister gave me the name but everyone needs to find some mud. They like to play in and just do it. I love it. That's great. What is your tattoo on your arm with the legs? Show the whole picture. No. It's a George Petty old pinup. She's not finished. As you can see she has a phone but no cord. We had cell phones back then. It's a George Petty my friend Dylan Tran started it. George Perez that's a one of a kind he just kind of did that. Then I had a day of the dead which has artists till death. It says artists till death on here. And then I have I don't know if you can see that. These are all the women that will never leave me. So basically you're going to get a tattoo of me. Oh and I have a gypsy a gypsy girl George Perez did as well. If you guys ever wonder about my 13s they are for Friday the 13th at Oliver Peck's tattoo Harler and Dee Bellum Elm Street tattoo. They have a 24 hour party basically it starts at midnight goes all the way to midnight the next day for 24 hours you get a 13 tattoo for $13. And you better not ask for change. And you better not ask for change or you will get called out. This was this 13 was for when he did the world record for the most 13s in 24 hours this was number 170 because I was born in 1970 so I couldn't get number 70 so I went with 170. So that's that. And this one is a 13 with a backwards E basically and the heart for my friend Erica and basically the reason I'm going to do the 24 hour for suicide awareness and prevention and prevention I'm sorry if I'm not giving you guys questions or comments I'm I've never used tattoo ink shy I haven't used it yet I would love to try it CJ Erica it's looking gorgeous Thank you give him I'm not even going to read that what's happening give it give it him on each butt cheek bend over and it says mom or if you're doing your handstand it says wow Rusty Erica Thank you Rusty She's going ham today kids I think it's all that champagne All that whole sip of it champagne That was such a good passion lotus I remember sitting on the ground inside of the house passion lotus remember the days before internet and remember the days before cell phones and remember the days where you have to go by somebody's house just to see if their bike was in the front yard to see if they were on those are the days those were days going to the park y'all have a great day unique New York Thank you unique, thank you very much Thank you Paulina Lisa Hanson at my pie Thank you Jerry and Jody shy I am innocent I tell you I believe 0% of that mixing beer to cafe yes red or white, sweet or dry Erica I'm not really a wine snob I'm just down the only time I'm really picky about what kind of wine I drink is if it's with a meal then I pair unless you picked some up last night on your party binge nothing so there's Gatorade in them so that's the same way with me passion faith go check us out later on thanks for coming and hanging out for as long as you did we still need to figure out how we're going to give it away Cheryl said tell Erica absolutely gorgeous thank you and I didn't even do my hair today trace of color happy owl I'm about to get in bed I made a mistake of being outside without any UV protectant it was cloudy but now I just say I had a headache I'm so tired Dan's son the nature will do that to you that's why I try to avoid it shy when I was a kid I used to keep the boys up I bet that still happens drinks on me Diane and thank you Lisa thank you Dan 10,000 congrats yeah trace of color get some rest we'll be on tomorrow what did Anthony say hold on alright guys I'm like scrolling up to find out what Anthony said because I want to see it my wife and I met when we were 5 years old that's banana we used to make mud pies in the garden jeez Anthony way to top everybody just a one upper I think I'm digging it B it's a very it's a very classic looking pool my son is so known that doesn't even work on the touch screen the fam didn't let me what did he say the fam didn't let me forget it either Ginny and Jody, wonderfully oh my god stop beautiful as always Erica hearts hearts hearts hearts hearts from Patty my husband threw me out it's like a dark turn my husband threw me out of a bar everybody has their when we first met stories yeah I think I'm done with it I think she's done with it like how subtle ugh like you can barely see it and then you come over this way and it's all there's like deep cells top layer cells just a hint of the shimmer shimmy shimmy shimmy shimmy if anybody's interested in it it is a 10 by 20 and today we're gonna figure out how to give it away we're gonna figure out how to give it away somebody today somebody in this room today is going to win that by the end of this video we're gonna figure out how to give that away how do you say that name B-U-K-I-D-A-N B-U-K-I-N B-U-K-I-N B-U-K-I-N that sounds about right hi Jeff if you have any more clear resin can you do a puddle for with clear in between it would be cool to see how the layers work sure hold on we can do that B-A I'm gonna scrape this clear off and we can try that it'll be Gorgeous ART of Gorgeous Art Gorgeous Austin I just read all the the initials out loud see what I did there Austin's initials you asked earlier I got you I'm picking up what you put it down tell it to me alright so I'm trying to figure out the best mode of giveaway did they ever say if it's better with this mic yeah they did you guys can hear us a little better courtesy Diane Jeff maybe in your 24 hour show you can get a tattoo or with tattoo ink yeah I'm gonna ask my friend Zach Singer between Zach and Rudy we should be able to make that happen and my friend Rudy Rudy was on Best Ink a couple years ago Zach Singer is he's just not human the way he tattoos thanks Charlie you probably go ahead and line those up you guys can see the video that I made I'm pretty sure it's either it's either on our Artist Till Death or Facebook of course it would be on one of those yeah you guys go follow us on Instagram and Facebook we're gonna start having separate clues and giveaway type of stuff so that people will go and follow us on Instagram and Facebook pick a random number with the poor giveaway Jeff write it down dude that's so simple and so old school logic we're gonna do that Ron at the end of this video I'm gonna go right now and write down a number and whoever is closest to it without going over without going over no it has to be closest so it's either over or under okay you can be closest so let's say I say you know I'll make it I'll make it a a pretty simple number B stop giving away information to say pick a number okay so one guess I pick 13 I haven't even wrote the number down yet guys just wait at the end of the video wait don't try to they're trying to give you an idea of what number to choose 10k no B plus E equals B B alright France 974 you're way off bro Samsonite no it's not 1970 you don't know what it would I already have it in my head I already have it you have to write it down you need to write it down fold it up and put it over here I don't know it unless he does something sweet and B what are you doing I'm about ready to write it down you can't write it down they don't all have their one in the blank page ready set what's the point of showing them a blank just come over here turn your back or do it I don't think anybody's going to get it I don't think so either but someone's going to be close someone spank Jeff if someone hits the nail on the head you get coasters too what is the range Sandra I'm not giving you any hints Jeff one equal or question mark is that your guess Diane you got to bring it over here bring it over here so they know we're not changing it what is your range B bring it over here so they know we're not changing it I put a heart around it so that's how you can tell that I actually did it already you don't want to just close that I guess Cheryl guesses nine Lars guesses 1013 Dee says 44 Lisa says 2018 Keisha says 213 no that was a rank 10,000 10,000 I know it's going to be tough happy owl says 913 Lisa Ham says 7,000 Angela Stansley says okay 6969 somebody somebody needs to get put in time out Danielle says 989 is it the year you met no but that would have been a good one no and that would have been a good one 528 that is a random number right there that's close to what I would have chosen Sugar Swan says 16 how do you say that name M-A-U-T-A-K-A-Y now to K 2015 2043 420 calm down there Cheech was 70 Lou Phillips is 1989 I tell you it is not the year I graduated 8 who said 8 Wandering Art said 8 Krista 4069 Ideas 777 Anthony Reid said 1983 Diane says 69 and whatever the 69 Shai says 28 Molly says 34 Angela Stansley 420 there's the other Cheech and Chong 10k69 I think somebody just got it oh someone just got it? the second birthday year no Rusty said 9999 no well I guess you could do that like y'all guess until someone pops the right number fine mud pie says 0000000 0000000 0000 so what we're going to let them guess 666 guess the right number it's not 420 not a girl Rusty is not 9999 it blows my mind that there's thousands because we're at 10,000 subscribers it would be easier if we were at 100 subscribers right? they would have gone through all the numbers alright so y'all keep guessing until someone pops the right number okay I'll give you a hint I'll give you a hint because I can't I'm so far behind I can't even like just stop for right now Rusty it is not 9999 I swear to you number 1 it is not number 1 Tamra it is not 777 777 Diane is not 3 you're all that giving it away hahahaha okay guys listen Sharon it's not 3 ideas it's not 1 ideas got it 2 ideas you got it so many numbers I can't even like scroll did anybody else guess 2? no I haven't seen any oh Bonnie guessed 2 but that was like way later after is Bonnie in the states will send her this little one be ideas already got it guys it was 2 and let's send this one to Bonnie and Bonnie since you guessed it second we'll send you the little small one weird giveaway format hahahaha well we couldn't we wanted to do it during the feed we wanted to do it during the feed we didn't want to have it a separate video make everybody cut out the names and go leave and look at another video we're a different kind of artist so expect a different kind of giveaway yeah Bonnie just email us your shipping address and we'll send you this little piece right here I love this little piece nice fun little ocean piece Diane said Jeff me and Molly said 2 before Bonnie hahahaha you guys there's so many like Molly got it I I just saw ideas to come up first and I was like way behind on on the witch cussers that I went Lisa Wyatt did she win a coaster oh yeah cause she she said art first remember when we were like maybe we'll do what Austin's initials are oh yeah why don't you just put some dips and coasters in that stuff do a dip after ideas yeah I was scrolling like I was I was way behind on looking at numbers but if somebody said it before ideas let us know ideas I'm sure we'll understand we'll send him a sticker or something a sticker I have I mean this is all recorded who's got cooks who's got cooks in the house we do I'm surprised you're drinking that cause you don't even like that stuff spoken like a true selfie if I like these then we're gonna send these to we'll put it in a if it ships it fits it ships have her send her shipping address as well Lisa Wyatt email us and send us your send us your shipping address email us right there thorntonatartistilldeath.com 2 T's 2 L's and don't forget got a little N right there I always feel like I'm saying that when I say that ideas was first then Diane, Molly and then Bonnie alright then alright well we'll get these two Bonnie we'll get these two and then Molly we'll get the small four we'll send some sticks to Molly and Bonnie too Diane Molly then Bonnie alright we'll figure it out kids I'll go through all of y'all send me your shipping information we'll mystery box you no it was Molly then Diane I haven't recorded we haven't recorded we'll figure it out but all of y'all four send me your shipping information I just ordered posters from your idea on amazon thanks Dee you'll love it Diane I'll see you in class we'll definitely see you she's coming in and we're gonna have dinner with her whoop whoop we're just glad regulars want to you guys are so generous Mutakai Mutakai M-A-U T-I-A K-A-Y I would have said Madakai Madakai yes JP or PJ sorry dyslexia all day every day that's what we're doing for the mystery boxes we already had some on order the small, the medium and the large hold on let me see if I can hey will you pick the box up so they can see how big the box is will you get my paypal for the mystery box yes we did turn to the side alright there you go those are the sizes for the mystery boxes 25, 50 and 100 and we don't even know oh yeah and if it's 25 plus 8 dollars for shipping the medium is 14 for shipping and then the large box is 100 plus 18 for shipping I'm getting all these on the website with the shipping already calculated maybe as soon as we get off the lot of fees how do I order the stir sticks D go to our website artisodep.com flowzone you did miss the giveaway we had everybody guess one number out of 10,000 and ideas got it it was number two for future reference that's my favorite number for future reference that is Erica's favorite number and these posters here are going to the runner ups the runner runner ups number two Erica's favorite number and that is her birth date nothing but the best pretty sure this is like a six dollar bottle pretty for sure how pretty is that am I going to do a four I don't know Lars October 2nd yes Andrea 2nd is her birth date December 2nd arts message retracted you typed something and decided very critical it sounds like my mom yeah I was shy talking to my mom shy Kelly Green I'm 727 my birthday is August 24th if you're interested case any of you are wondering and if anybody is in Dallas on August 24th we are going to see Evanescence one of my favorite bands 116 thumbs up yes y'all I just remembered we're going to Belize oh yeah we're going to Belize next month with Judy with Judy we're going to try to get some of our resin down there so we can pour an ocean pour like while looking at the ocean we'll see we're going to Belize next month Judy's taking us to Belize and you guys see this in the background here our friend Greg how bananas y'all made that it's a piece of wood that we had we had him cut it out so we can paint it so we can make one of these guys we'll be able to backlight it so it'll glow we'll put some LED lighting on it those will be available very soon give us give us a month or so we've got a lot of substance sort out we have everything to sort out I got resin on my disc so you guys if we said your name and you want something shoot us an email with your shipping address Laura says my girlfriend Courtney wants to know where he for her shirt where he bought her shirt from was it Target? it was at Target you can make resin in Belize by tapping a certain tree and mixing some leopard urine Andrea have you been drinking I was so there until you said leopard urine I was like no way and you can color it with some smashed up flowers that's true you can't do that we definitely will have to try that out if that's actually true if there's a leopard in Belize I'm going to try it and I'm going to video for you guys Janet you missed the giveaway we had everybody guess a number between 1 and 10,000 and ideas got it it was 2 I always carried leopard pee never leave home without it she's on it today shy it is a very very sad day when you don't make it to the chat this is our report today we're doing a report today right now because I got to go talk to Judy about our business venture I had a call today with Color Obsession P.S. P.S. monkeys are dicks though they're mean I've seen videos of monkeys being dicks we held a monkey last time we were in Belize was that Belize or Mexico leopard pee tiger musk tiger musk right hey Jeff and Erica one day you go out chatting with people we're kind of doing that right now or you mean like chat in person or just a day of Q&A I feel like we would still end up pouring yeah and they like to rub one out to human human females shy shy it's not ATD after dark it's not ATD after dark yet okay off to target thank you Lars we'll see you later thanks for hanging out we spent every dollar that you gave us at that flipping concert we did it's dark somewhere that's true ideas that it is so we'll do a pour later tonight with Judy thanks Tandy maybe not we'll see how she feels we're getting her studio set up and we have to talk business business 7 30 p.m. here alright where are you where are you at it is after dark then thank you France thank you very much thanks Bonnie France I'll send you your tracking number many on them bye Patty sounds like the room is dying down so there's only 119 people watching where's another so send them off tell them all the things blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah mystery boxes stir sticks in Canada UK Australia blah blah blah blah side food stuffs for sale all the stuffs for sale except for that one except for the spray paint okay so yeah we'll probably see you guys tonight if not it'll be tomorrow Claire said blah blah two T's two L's hahahaha that's it did you get my PayPal thing Ellen yes was that for a mystery box or thanks CJ it was the price for our mystery box but I don't know if it was supposed to be see ya Rusty don't forget the N people forget that little N thorn10 artistelef.com two T's two L's hahahaha alright we love you guys thank you so much tell me what Ellen says if she says something what did Ellen say yeah I need to know if it was a donation or if it was a donation and thank you for everybody that donated monies to us or supplies the money thing is amazing I have to stress that it lets us do what we want to do every single day for you guys basically for free it helps us out in every way and we completely want to present for the bottom of our hearts thank you for donating to us it's amazing and you're all entered into the giveaway on the 31st lupus 15k next job yes Diane we will no 20k we doubled 20k 100k I might give away a lap dance y'all he can dance he has all the junk in his trunk we are going to give some lap dances away y'all okay real quick funny story we were in somewhere I think it was Jamaica and what was her name what was the tour guide's name that was like it was like Sharon Stone or something like that no it was yeah it was Sharon Stone her name was Sharon Stone she was this young bacon lady and she started partying with us and at that point Jeff decided I'm going to show her how to dance and he got up on this tour bus and like walked the runway there was a pole there so we had to get on the pole miss oh miss tell him Megan ideas ideas want to get away we'll see y'all maybe later maybe tomorrow us on here or here to know if we go live later today okay move it's enough if we go live later we will post it on Instagram and Artists of Death Facebook that's how you follow us and if you would like to send us your artwork to donate if you would like to tag us in anything there is all the info right could you have got my ladies attention miss thank you all we all have an amazing Memorial Day thanks to everybody that's subscribed comment shared we wouldn't be us without all of you bring sweet swans bye


by now this Toby says by dance I gotta I keep on pronouncing that thing beyond the same bite but by not been that's is basically a tracking after the IRS and HMR Cena very sad since it used to be somewhere reliable yeah I a couple of I don't know how many years ago few years ago I went to open up an account on one of these centralized exchanges for cryptos they wanted this is this is late what should trigger people to realize that cryptos have gone down a very dark path the way people are treating them is a few years ago I went to open up an account on one of these centralized exchanges right and they wanted my real name real address photo ID bank account my social security I was looking at the screen on what the f I think they missed the whole point of crypto they want all this information so I didn't open up I don't I still don't have an a trading account on any of these exchanges because they want all this information that that goes against the core foundation of why crypto was created right so it's a joke to me even not even though at the time they were saying oh this is all private we're not going to share this information I'm like f you of course you're gonna share you're just collecting it now and then at some point down the road you're gonna say oh yeah hand hand all this over to your whatever centralized power that tells you to send hand it over to right if it wasn't even created by the CIA or IRS or whatever it was right so what they forget about what they say see what they do isn't that the same right


Harlec castles saw the longest siege in British history, between 1461 and 1468, where the men of Harlec were not yield. The castle women stand proud on the hilltop, overlooking a golf course that has been granted royal status, providing a new battleground, and like the castle, the quest to overcome its defences are a significant challenge. For me, the purest form of the game is Lynxgolf, of which Royal St David's is the epitome of. At first glance, Lynxgolf can often appear to be a barren landscape, an uncompromising terrain. Firm and fast greens, a wind that changes with the tide, rolling fairways on even lies, and run-offs that gather and punish. The challenge is ever-changing, but the charm and purity of the game is eternal. Right, so two holes to warm up. The best way I can describe it is thinking of the classic open scenes, where you've got the white fairways all burnt middle of July, classic open visuals, and that's what we've got down here at Royal St David's this morning. It looks absolutely stunning. Not a breath of wind, which is unusual down here, I can tell you. And you've got a tee shot. The crowds are gathering, and we've just got a three-wood with a bit of cut off the left-hand side. Oh, do you know what? Unexpectedly, that's happened. Go on then. Go on then, Paul. Not often you describe it, it happens, but it just did. Right, so people often ask me what is I love about Lynxgolf, and there's lots of things, but one of the big deals is I like trying to play shots that I don't necessarily have the capability to do, but I like trying them out here, and this is a 175, slightly into the wind. I'd normally be sort of full on six iron, but out here today when the run-ins are really fiery and firmy, you know that's going to pounce off, then I'm going to go up to a fibre, really soft, and try and just feed one in and watch it rolling off the canvas straight into the hole. But it's just, like I said, I don't even mind when I can't execute what I'm doing, but I just love trying to emulate those type of shots. I've overcut it. It's a nice try-hand. Will it feed on to that green? You see it running on there. Do you know what? It's done alright. It's down the sort of bottom end of that other green. It's okay. It's pretty much like I said, not good enough to execute it, but I still love trying it. The idea of this hole is just to show you the tee shot, but also this is where I finished, and you know what, it wasn't too bad, but it just again shows you a real feature of Lynxgolf, and it's these swales and run-offs that I'd call them. A fantastic feature of golf, they make it, they make it, it's the tough part of Lynxgolf as well. It can often be really punishing even on good shots. You've either got a really good short game if you can chip this one close, but for me it's a bit of a choice of Texas Wedge. And trying to get this one up and down in two is no easy feat. Go ball, go a bit more. I don't know what I'd take that, but what a rising again. What a great feature of Lynxgolf at Royal St. David's. Little par three, hole 11. Punch ball green, just 130 yards, nothing of it, into the breeze, and one that everybody remembers who's played here at Royal St. David's. Just hang on there, hang on to the left hand side. It's a good club in terms of distance I think, and kick. Right, my ball did okay, better than I thought to be honest with you, but I just wanted to stop, we're still on 11 that is, and show you some of these. There's a lot of work going on around St. David's, and there's sort of humps and bumps and these big swales that they've built. It's a fantastic addition.  In that instance, the elk, but believe me, these swales can either be, well, it can sometimes be punishing as well, but a great addition to the course here at Royal St. David's. Yeah, it's challenge time again, a bit of man versus golf, and I love this golf hole, it's a 15th. It's stroke three, it's a tough one, but it's a stunning par four. I think it's time I tuck it on and beat it, because it's beat me up many times over the years. Right, first thing is to find a short stuff, and like I said, this is in the dunes. Green, let's forget about the green for now. I'm going to go with three wood, and I'm going to try and hit a bit of a cut. Start it down that left-hand side and feed it back in. Sounds perfect. What? It's a good ball, hasn't cut enough, but where does that finish in terms of distance? I think that's okay. Decent ball solid, didn't cut, but a decent start. Happy with that. The tee shot just ran off the fairway, but reason I'm happy with it. This is a hole where you've got to walk forward and have a look if you've not played it before, especially. It's a little bit blind, and it's a tough one. Pick out a line and stick with it. We've got a camera up there, but that's a little bit ambitious, I think. That's a great strike, you know. You'll see this before I do, because like I said, that green is blind to me. I think there's a white marker that I was aiming for, and I'm right on it. So you tell me, how's that got on? I don't know whether you'd have seen that land yet, because obviously I've not seen the footage, because there's some, like I said, some severe drop-offs, and it looks as though it's pitched in somewhere around here. So hopefully you've got it. But anyway, the point is, we landed on the green, and I'm pretty happy with that, to be fair. Stroking next three, putting some birdie. Come on, make my day.  Ah, decent pace, but to be honest with you, still on that tee, and assuming I can make that, which I did, that's a blinking golf fore, but what a good golf fore more importantly. I think the mark of any good golf course is sort of, it asks you questions of your game, and it continually does that. I don't know whether you're on the tee with its iron shot. Even simple and straightforward chips, at least that's how they appear. But Royal St. David's does that, literally right the way throughout the course, and there's a lot of questions. I'm afraid I don't have too many answers for it, and another delicate little chip in here into a firm green. Oh, hang on, that's half-decent.  Yeah, somewhere around there. That's not a bad answer on this occasion, but Royal St. David's real good design and the quality and the mark of an exceptional golf course. That's me done a great start to our series in North Wales. Royal St. David's was absolutely fantastic, but still hard like refuges to yield. Well, not a lot anyway.


How much out of adrenaline was there tonight considering it was your first postseason start lots? Yeah, it was a lot of adrenaline super intense out there a lot of fun Yeah, it was crazy. How were you able to manage your emotions on the mound? I was just trying to walk in and what's trying to do just execute pitches, you know General was so high I couldn't feel my body most of the night, but you know, just trying to grind it out The guys did a great job behind me and put some rounds on the board and the bullpen was great Just have difficult is it trying to get through that lineup with all the power that Minnesota has yeah, they're really good You know, they put together some really good a pass against me falling off some stuff and you know the two home runs You know, they're they're a good team. We just have confidence though with what this offense can do that You're gonna be in the game that they're gonna come back. Yeah, you know with this offense our team You know, we're really confident what we can accomplish You know, so I just try to limit the damage much as I can against these guys And I know that we're gonna score some runs and you mentioned the fun Is that the success or just the atmosphere everything, you know, obviously it's fun to win the atmosphere is great These Yankee fans out there were we're awesome. It's just the loudest. I've ever heard a stadium. I loved it He's big, you know put ourselves in a good spot We're just taking this thing one day at a time and trying to win every day That was a really good back, you know, he thought about some really good pitches and then I got a piece of that curveball right there and Got it down for a hit How important was it for this team to get off to getting the first win and getting the series off to the right foot? Yeah, you know, I think it was really important to get this first one We always love to you know, get ahead in the series, but we're just taking it one day at a time trying to win every day Like knowing Yeah, I mean of course I want to go deeper in the game You know, I'd like to have better success out there and go deep in the game and be able to help save those bullpen guys But you know, I know it's a little different in the postseason. At least it's gonna be shorter And it's just kind of it's a team effort Just like recalibrate in your head what success means in the postseason that like four or two like that can be a successful start Yeah, you know, this is my first time, you know, so I don't really know what to expect All I know is when they put that ball in my hand I'm gonna give it everything I got and then when they take it away to take it away You know, they're gonna be home runs the way the game is Not giving them up when people are on base. Yeah, you know, if we're gonna go home runs We want to be sell the home runs, you know both these teams, you know to the twins and us, you know top two teams They're waiting for hitting homers this year So pretty obvious there's gonna be some some power in this series here They'd like to try to trade punch it kind of trade punches with them watch the offense do it Then you guys stepped up and delivered like the big punch. What was that like to see? That was awesome, you know for us to get to the lineup tonight did a great job No, our lineup was seeing pitches getting their hits a lot of power You know, it was a great team effort and you know great win With all the adrenaline do you feel like a little more dream than you would after I feel good, you know right now I'll let you know tomorrow once the adrenaline kind of wears off But you know, it was a great experience getting that first one out of the way and great learning experience for me What stood out the most about this game just you talked about in the first your first playoff game anything Had you by surprise or different?


that's bad that's really really bad it's just fun it's just fun fun fun to read we're getting down a few another one bites the dust don't know what she's saying i didn't know she's saying i thought she wrapped whatever i don't know if i'm feeling it later in the week you need your hair to be at a certain point for a certain thing but your current hair washing schedule is not on the right trajectory and it's just it's a mess it's a mess so besties if you are here regularly you'll know i am trying to finish as many series as i can this year i'm trying to get down to only 26 ongoing series by the end of the year which still sounds like a lot but i think that's like what is realistic i just want to get that number down quickly because i've started a few series this year which means i need to finish more you in danger girl and i want to like get the number down in one fell swoop so i decided the perfect way to do that is to finish a couple of the geologies that are on my series this you guys have pointed out to me a couple times i have quite a few geologies where i've read the first book and i'm like let's just bish bash bosh bish bash bosh read one book each those geologies and then the geology is finished i mean come on now the best thing about winning it's when you win so yeah this will get our number down by three one fell swoop i love that for me i love me so much so what we're going to be reading first we have got the monics by kas Morgan and danielle page this is the sequel to the ravens it's like a sorority of witches who like have each other's back and like bestie i'll do anything for you i really enjoyed the first one in this series so much more than i kind of could have anticipated it just did ya so well right and it's set at college i appreciate having older characters in ya i think that's something we need to do more of i mean i love college is like a an interesting time i love ya set at college i love adult books set at college because i think you can kind of straddle that line and you can easily kind of sanitize not sanitize college but like you know right from it from a wide perspective or you can like ham up the murder sex drugs like whatever you want then we got a little novella because my reading has not been going the quickest let's be fucking honest i'm ashamed oh i wasn't been going very quick i've been struggling so i thought throwing this in the mix would be good we've got drown country by emily tesh i love this cover so much i think it's such an interesting cover it's so weird these novellas are about these beings these men who live in this forest it's very difficult to to pitch this especially because my memory of the first book i'm gonna be honest not quite there i don't think i'll manage to find a recap of the first one because it is more niche um my memory of the first one isn't great but i'm hoping i'll still be able to enjoy this it's got a very like fairy tale dreamy style of writing in these and then i feel like i'll do you i'm gonna be happy to see the last one which is muse of nightmares by lanie taylor i remember when i finished change the dreamer i said i had to read this straight away i evidently have not done that it's been over a year two years maybe yeah he's terrible you're on it he's really terrible that's bad that's really really bad but we are gonna finish this we're following leslie strange who um he loves i can't remember the plot then he's obsessed with a mythical lost city of weep but then he gets to go there there's also some stuff to do with like gods and stuff but i won't say anything more about that and listen lanie taylor has the most beautiful lyrical writing so i'm very excited to get to this i think i will find a recap for strange dreamer and i think i'm gonna reread the last maybe 50 pages of strange dreamer because that wrecked me i'm not gonna reread the whole book but i'm gonna read the last 50 pages again because i want myself to then start this straight away in the mindset of like pure devastation the strange dreamer put me in so that's the plan we're gonna read them in that order i think and listen i'm just gonna be so happy i will tell you actually at the end of this what how many series i'm currently reading what number we've got like half the year to get down to 26 so let's just get reading i am just under halfway through the monics i'm on page 195 and i'm enjoying it the thing is right so in this sequel obviously the first one we're at the sorority of witches and we're still very much in that setting obviously i'm not going to spoil anything not having in the first one but we're still in this witchy sorority and they're trying to you know help the sorority survive and help each other and okay it kind of feels like this series should be longer because it doesn't feel like much has happened like i've read half of the final book the hair the hair today i went to the hairdresser to say for consultation and i was looking myself in the mirror and i was like dear god the fucking hair is fresh old yeah i've read half of the the second you know the last book and it doesn't feel like we're particularly close to anything important happening in this book there's kind of like some unknown malevolent thing to do with the magic that we don't really understand it's affecting how they do their magic we've got a lot of different romances a lot of different like we've got a love triangle there's a lot of different stuff going on but i'm enjoying it but it kind of feels like a cosy read do you know what i mean it's like it's a very good YA i think i'm not reading it thinking this is like dumbed down like i think a lot of different ages of YA even if you're you know an adult and read YA i think it's a 12 year olds could all enjoy this and really take something away from it that's a testament to the authors writing considering they you know i feel like all those different audiences can really enjoy it i also do enjoy reading a YA set at a college i think you know high school is one thing but i feel like some people think that college because you're 18 that should always be adult but you still feel like a child like scarlet i think must be like 21 in this book but it's still written through the lens of YA and i think it works really well and i would love to see more YA set at college because people go through different stages some people become very much adults at uni and i feel like some people kind of stay the same person they were when they were 18 so i think you need both right because we love dark academia murder drugs betrayal kind of genre at college but i feel like there's also a lot of space for this um i really love the characters i really love their relationships it's a kind of book that i feel like i can't read critically often i'm kind of reading with a half pure enjoyment view and half like left brain right brain half critical and thinking what i'm gonna say to you guys and i feel like i can't really read this critically it's just like a fun comfort read that i don't really have to think too much about and that i'm just really enjoying so i'm just having a lot of fun reading it and i i really like the setting i love this college setting of these girls there's a lot of girls i'm not gonna lie i don't always know know who all they are like who is she who is she where did you find her we say bailey reagan like i don't know who any of these girls are i'm gonna be very honest with you i don't know the backstory but they're just there and it's like enough i'm not like going oh i don't remember who you are so that doesn't make sense like i just know they're another girl you there and that's fun we're part of the group we're part of the group it's just fun it's just fun fun fun to read and i think it's a very solid YA geology that like i said a lot of people couldn't read so i'm gonna go ahead and finish it maybe tonight i have the audiobook so um i'm gonna try and finish it tonight if i can and i'll probably check in with you in the morning on what my thoughts are than it are founding headaches if like i'm not coherent don't ever go at me but i finished the monics i really enjoyed it i'm gonna give it four stars i was saying i did reading sprints yesterday with aaron which was so much fun i was thinking because i do weekly reading sprints every single week on my patreon i don't do them publicly anymore and i actually miss it it was a lot of fun so i think maybe i'll try and do more going forward i don't think this is kind of book you're ever gonna give five stars right like it's nothing spectacular i don't think it's anything that hasn't been done before but i think it just does what it's saying it's gonna do really well you know it definitely reminds me of like buffy and like 90s rom-coms kind of 90s rom-coms with the romance elements of it and buffy with like the spookiness and the sleuthing and like oh my god we're teenage like i don't know like witches and stuff like i think that's a really fun element and as someone who loves buffy the vampire slayer it's really fun to kind of read stuff that feels like references to it throughout i will also say i really appreciate morally gray characters i feel like this has quite a few like our main characters scarlet and vivi perhaps not their morally gray characters but they do morally gray things or things that as a reader you're like i am very uncomfortable with the energy that we've created in the studio today but you can a hundred percent understand why they're choosing to do that because they're doing one of this oh oh they're doing one of this to like protect each other and their sisterhood and like the family and the sorority so you can understand why they're making those choices but they're not perfect right sometimes i feel like in YA the author wants you to love the characters so so much that they make them like perfect like never make a mistake if anything goes wrong in the story it's not their fault and i've just fed up with that shit you know i enjoy seeing them and really seeing their thought processes behind making these iffy decisions yeah on the whole i feel like it does a lot of classic YA tropes and YA plot feats but just does it well you know what i mean it doesn't feel like when i'm reading it i'm like yeah i have read all this before like i have encountered this stuff before but it feels expertly plotted and beat out like when writers they usually talk about plot beats and i wonder if it's because it is co-written they had to really like plan it out and get each other on the same page so when they wrote separate stuff maybe and came together it all made sense so it feels like it's been like plotted out within an inch of its life but it's all just perfectly linking together so a really nice astrology a geology that i didn't expect to enjoy as much as i did so we're after a success maybe it's another series finished which is such a success also on the live yesterday i did knock off a few series i decided i wasn't gonna finish the Nancy Drew mysteries because they're just very difficult to get my hands on other than physically and i did want to read them orderly and it's just like impossible to do that now there was another series what was the other series i knocked off can't remember though it was another series i got rid of off my series spreadsheet so we're getting down a few another one by the dust don't know what she's saying i didn't know she's saying i thought she wrapped whatever i'm gonna start drowned country by emily tesh one of my favorite covers ever i just love it and i'm just really excited i'm gonna go sit in the garden for a bit read this live my best life and i'll probably just check in with you when i'm finished this is a fantasy series following these two men who are kind of like tied to the woods that's all i'll say because i don't want to spoil anything and yeah i'm very excited it's gonna be like fantastical dreamy fairy tale etc so i'm very excited to dive in right if you didn't watch my last video that just came out welcome to the new camera i'm very pleased with that i finished drown country by emily tesh and i have some thoughts i initially when i was reading this i was like wow i have fucked up here i have well and truly fucked up here oh no this has now gone downhill because i have left it too long between reading this and reading if i can get it out it's literally right here silver in the wood right i read this i think towards the end of 2020 and i was like i'm so confused i don't understand a single thing that's going on like but turns out i think a lot of time passes between these two books and the first half of this we're kind of just like things are being said things events are being alluded to and i was like i have just truly forgotten everything but turns out in the second half of this book we then learn what happened in the time the past which is just a crazy way to write a book for me like listen i'm when i'm reading a sequel i'm coming in confused usually sequels there's an airplane outside apologize if you can hear it usually in sequels there's a little bit at the start of like helping to reacquaint you with where you are it doesn't have to be like a full-on recap but usually the author does it in a very clever way where they're kind of just getting you back into the mood of where you are what's going on this did the opposite as a bitch let me confuse you uh let me have let me make you have no idea what's going on yeah that totally seems correct yeah okay yeah great great like what so that annoys me about this book by the way i haven't said what i'm giving it i'm giving it three stars yeah that feels right also this is written from a different perspective than this one this first book because of the perspective it's written from is a very like whimsical and melancholic and this is very like witty and clever and jokey still with that beautiful writing but it's a different point of view and i just don't know if i like that i kind of wanted to stay in the same perspective it still is beautiful writing there are a few moments that i enjoyed about it but it took me a fucking week to read i've been working on this for five weeks it took me a fucking week to read and it's a hundred pages i just didn't care to pick it up do you know what i mean like i'm struggling at the moment with wanting to read we need to do something i'm going on holiday in two weeks there's no point like overhauling my life before then it's like when people are like oh christmas is in two weeks so i'm not going to die yet that's how i feel i'm not overhauling my reading yet we're just trying to get through it but i've been struggling to like find the motivation to read i think it's because i feel a bit shit about my channel i feel a bit shit about everything i've just been in a funk this whole year and myself and i've been struggling to break out of it this hasn't been a great year for me and so yeah but yeah i just didn't entice me it was fine it was enjoyable to read there wasn't you know once i actually made myself read but even then i had to listen to the audiobook originally i was like i'm just gonna read it physically because that's how i read and enjoyed this but in the end i had to get the audiobook well it was on the script but i had to listen to the audiobook because otherwise i was not focusing and even then i would read for 10 minutes and then it would lose my focus but uh yeah listen at least we finished the geology at least another series finished that in itself is a success so yeah anyway we're gonna get into the last geology of this video which means reading news of nightmares which is the sequel to stranger dreamer and i would like it saturday i would like to probably try and read this over the weekend and not uh read it for much longer because i've got a lot of other reading to do over the next couple days so yeah okay so a hundred pages into news of nightmares i don't know if i'm feeling it i'm not gonna cry maybe i'll cry this is the issue right i do worry that i left it too long between reading the first one and reading this one but i'm just not feeling it i don't feel like the writing is as wonderful as i remember it being in the first book and the first book does a lot of like working up to this romance right setting up this romance and i'm not feeling the right way so in this book it's like come to fruition and i just don't i feel uncomfortable with the scenes of them together i'm like oh no like i feel like they're strangers like i don't feel this romantic connection that is supposed to be there and so i just don't like i feel like i'm reading a romance book that i'm like uncomfortable with you know what i mean like i'm not buying it so it's a problem it's a problem it's a big problem and i feel like we haven't not much has happened in the first hundred pages i don't feel like i mean the first book ends on such an amazing cliffhanger i don't feel like that has really been taken advantage of in the way that i would like i mean i don't know what i wanted to happen but that ain't my job i've read the first hundred pages and i'm like well we've kind of been a bit stagnant not much has happened so at the moment it's like a three star i'm not really feeling it it reminds me of how i felt about daughter of smoke and bone which i gave a three star versus how i feel about shame to dreamer which i really like and that that is i mean the problem with lanie taylor for me has always been that i love her writing in terms of just like pros and the style of writing probably one of my favorite writers out there but i always have a problem even in strange dreamer with the plot and the characters and the character development and the problem with this one is i'm not feeling the writing either i'm not really enjoying it which makes me really sad i don't know if the problem is i am listening to the audiobook just because at the moment me and reading i don't know it's just been difficult for me to be in the mood to read at the moment i've still fallen a thunk i have not been myself this whole year and it's getting to the point now when i'm fed up i speak to my patrons a lot about this but um noisy car that's very rude isn't it this whole year i've kind of felt like how do i put this just not myself yeah a bit of a rat like creatively reading enough like in my life i've just felt like in a bit of a rat and um i don't feel out of that yet and so i need the audiobook to actually get reading done but i don't know if that's perhaps making me not like the writing as much anyways i'm gonna go read probably like another 150-ish pages i don't know how long is it no maybe another 200 pages and then i'll check in with you again it's father's day today in the UK so we're gonna go for a walk now so i'll film some b-roll of that yeah everyone pray for me that i end up liking this because at the moment it's not going the best excuse my appearance you know in those days or when later in the week you need your hair to be at a certain point for a certain thing but your current hair washing schedule is not on the right trajectory and it's just it's a mess it's a mess so the hair i mean she's puffy i just made it worse but she's puffy but also i mean it's just not good is it it's just like i mean how do we i mean the head is big so like we have to have it either i want to know what does it feel like to be so goddamn ugly anyways do you think i'm gonna zoom you in a bit when you're a bit closer okay i am now 300 pages into music nightmares and i am sorry to say that my opinions have not changed drastically i was talking actually to um one of my patrons Anna who i i said in discord along patreon well our patreon discord i said like i'm just not feeling it this time and i don't know what's wrong with me like i don't know what i'm doing wrong and and i was like i'm the same it just doesn't have the same magical feeling that i think the first one does i just don't i don't know i'm getting into a little bit more um certain events i mean the plot has started now i feel like for the first you know 300 pages the plot has barely occurred like nothing's happened really i feel like we're finally getting somewhere and the events of the actual book are gonna happen in this last 200 pages so at least i'm thankful for that but i was trying to pinpoint it i was trying to i was trying to pinpoint what my problem is and i think the problem is in the first book laslo i would say is our primary character he's really our focus i look a bit gray today i need to start taking my eye on tablets again no that's fitting actually kind of oh i'm knocking you it's a mess it's a mess when the hair is a mess everything's a mess here's the thing if you ask me let's just pin let's drop a drop a point let's drop a point in the whole book discussion for a sec if you asked me to go outside in public looking like this today or like to an event i'd be like no it's crazy it's crazy i think this is crazy never but putting myself on the internet for thousands of people to view that's fine but it doesn't feel like that i think the problem is in the first book laslo is our primary character and then this one i'd say he's like the second main character but just the kind of lens through which he viewed the world i think is what made me like the first book and we're kind of not viewing everything through his perspective you know everything's like is it third person i know i i think i missed school when we discussed first person second person third person and i know it's right but i always doubt myself yeah i think that is perhaps the issue and the plot i mean the plot is one of my least favorite plots i've had in lany tale and i had that problem in door smoke and bone she likes to like connect characters and stories but i don't know if he always fully gets it like she likes to have maybe like two separate stories going on and connect them but i don't feel like it really ever works when she does that they kind of feel like two separate stories that are tenuously linked every time i've read her doing that i'm just not enjoying it as much i wanted to and i fucking go on the good reads and five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars five stars from like everyone i'm friends is on there so like what am i supposed to do what am i supposed to do with that information like just cry to myself yeah like i i'm sad about it because i want to love what everyone else is loving and i don't want to be an outlaw and i'm like isn't something wrong with me have i just left it too long between reading them i don't know but i'm not feeling it in the same way anymore so i finished me the nightmares and let me just take my bookmark out keep you in suspense i finished me tonight mares i'm sorry to say my opinion of it has not really changed i'm giving it a three star no you've made the wrong decision i'm really disappointed i'm really really sad about this one i mean listen at least it's another series ticked off at least it's a book i've had for a few years now read they're the positive we're gonna take from this i still by the end loved the writing of this book but i have multiple problems a few of which i've told you already i feel like they told us this thing quite often the end reveal right a villain or a big thing at the end will happen and then she'll go back and give you 50 pages from years and years and years in the past leading up to that moment explaining to you why that has happened and i just don't like that i don't i don't like that development like i just feel like give me that before let me have the tension leading up to it this big event happens where you're kind of like somewhat confused or you feel like the foundations haven't been laid enough and then she goes back afterwards and then explains more to you and you're like girl and i guess my only other real big issue with this was that i didn't really feel like many of the characters had any character development in this i would say there's two maybe two and a half characters who i feel like are different people in any way to what they were at the start then a lot of the characters remain stagnant for me in this i just feel like the plot in this was really lacking it does not need to be 500 pages it could easily be 300 there's a lot of time wasting there's a lot of villains not being properly utilized and everything being a bit convenient uh so yeah that's kind of all my thoughts i feel like i've shat on this book enough who already didn't talk about it anymore but i'm sad because i love lanie taylor the idea of lanie taylor i love i love her writing but there's just something about her plots that don't seem to work for me so yes that's me done with this trilogy at least that's me about the end it says the end or is it and i'm like girl i come on yes it is you've shown an incredible lack of respect so anyways at least we finished three series in this vlog that is such a relief off my chest i went and i just kind of on the spreadsheet and as of i guess the midpoint of the year i'm currently in the middle of 33 series so we only need to finish seven more in order to get to my girl of 26 series in the middle of however i probably will start a few series this year so i guess the goal is to finish more than seven but i feel like that's a pretty good position to be in i think i started the year with 43 44 something around that number series that i was in the middle of perhaps even more so i feel like we've been doing pretty well and this video definitely helped like getting three out the way in one go really really helped but yeah 33 they were currently in the middle of get that down to 26 and i'll be so happy and then i'll probably just start loads more series next year and just all the progress will be finished but yeah i hope you enjoyed this video let me know which these geologies you want to read the most or if you have read them which ones you most enjoyed thank you so much for watching as always don't forget to subscribe if you're new here and i will see you very soon in another video bye