All right only three minutes late not bad Yes 4 p.m. Was so far away Well, some people are actually commenting early. It's always DNS Oh, let's see You got to give us a collective nickname call us the Odays Yeah, I'm sure I'm all for clever names. So whatever we want to call people. That's perfectly fine with me Let's see here. All right, cool. I'm trying to sort out all All the people that are leaving me messages. I'm uploading another video now about DNS So it is a follow-up to yesterday's DNS video I was just gonna comment on it here and I said I'll make a dedicated video because I think the video is like four minutes long following up on next DNS because you know people are You know just all over the place on that next DNS thing so Yes, I did see and I didn't watch yet that Chris did a video on free PBX So that's interesting. I Do want to watch it because I figured you know Might be kind of interesting. I Still Hope you're feeling better something full of cold still. Yes. I still have a little bit of a cold It's mostly gone, but there's enough of it there that but I didn't want to stop working So I've recorded two videos now and third if you count this one with a little bit of a raspiness in my voice See you did a great job on a DNS filtering issue. Yeah, that my follow-up video to it That'll be up. It's uploading now. So I have to thumbnail it and title it so that'll I'm just gonna reuse it because it's just a follow-up on yesterday's video All they did was retest next DNS really but I talked about the security that's great I'm sorry privacy Implemications because people tell me to Correct me audience if I'm wrong or if I'm thinking crazy here So it seems like a lot of people get super concerned about giving over their DNS queries So they want to use a privacy VPN to obscure their DNS queries But if you use something like next DNS now you're registering to have a place collect all of your DNS queries again now, I know they have privacy policies, but that's It's kind of a problem, you know, it's a trade-off of any of these companies that are you know for-profit companies That's what happens sometimes as they end up selling your data Even if they have a policy that now we're not selling your data Someone comes along and buys them up and they're like hey I can buy this company and I'll cash this person out And then they change the policies that's why I love things like signal because signal set it up as a Foundation with very strict rules and they're a not-for-profit foundation just like quad nine I think there's just at some point there There's only one way to be a good steward of someone's data and it's not to be Holding it in a for-profit company that can collect massive amounts of data It's just a big challenge at any given moment that you know It costs money to run these companies if they can't do it sustainably or the owner of the company just decides They don't want to be the owner of a company nor and they don't want to shut it down because it has a value to sell on the market Then you have to trust that the people that take it over have the same values of the person that started the company that you decided to trust I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking that part of it But that's one of the reasons I'd recommend a quad nine, but once again I often say things in my videos like I should be a data point not a decision point I'm just throwing out there how to test these how to put this information together how you can validate some of these threat feeds And that's it if you want to test it the script is completely published in my forums of how I tested it So there's nothing in there That stops you from doing it making your own informed decision That's one of the things I think is really important is that I always tell you how I did something the methodology I use make sure it's repeatable that way you can test it too and you can Change the variables around a bit putting in maybe the companies you want to test in an example of the DNS test Well, you can validate these findings yourself. It's pretty easy Let's see here to do to do I finally got around to really testing XP XP and G and I really don't like it for a few reasons It's not for everybody, but I see why you do a lot of good there. Let's see The free PBX video makes me sad because of a very large deployment. Yeah, I know there's some security vulnerabilities and whatnot. So Yeah, I just I didn't it's not my cue to watch it. It's been really busy day working on stuff. So No matter what you do, someone will always see your DNS queries. You just have to decide who that is Well, not necessarily. This is the way quad nine works. They're a they're a foundation They are not a for-profit company That makes a big difference because they don't have and they got a very strict charter and or they registered in Is it Switzerland? I I did an interview with the people there They actually don't even have a logging server. So they don't have a way to do this It makes a big difference when a company has no model for it and it can't be sold because they're a foundation So the queries go there, but that's all they do So they're not you don't have to register a quad nine. As a matter of fact, that's one of the things I liked is with no registration You can send your queries there. They're well guarded in terms of the filtering as the demo proved and You don't have to tell them anything about yourself to get those queries. So I think that's a really Important aspect I thought about quad nine. I need a VPN for my VPN. Hey, why not? I flipped between quad nine cloud flare dnsx silk configure pf sense. Sorry the strange question yesterday Oh, we love strange questions If you truly anonymous dns have your own dns resolver not forwarder like bind and host it yourself behind the vpn Yeah, that's another thing you can do as well Boarding your home lab You know I don't know what happens when people get bored. There's so many projects out there You just got to find one to interest you But i'm not necessarily good at finding what interests you. I said, I don't know what would interest you Do you want to play with virtualization? I think virtualization is a fun toy I play with lots of i've been doing some testing and learning about the way You bypass a network interface for example Inside a virtualization to have two VMs talking to each other and what the restrictions are for how fast they can do interconnects within a Single host so that's been kind of an interesting topic for me speed testing some of those I also did a bunch of cpu tests.  Uh, maybe it's interesting to you too If i'm a next dns for a year seeing a video, uh, i'm going to give quite a look. Thanks for the info. Awesome How's the protect testing going? Uh, very slowly, but it's all set up That project doesn't get delivered till maybe another week. Uh, so I got to get up to the office and just test it One of my staff set it up. I mean we have our own production system at the office using protect This is another one going for a client that we're installing, you know, now that they're back in stock We're putting some of the unify in the challenge is with unify It one it only supports their cameras So when their cameras weren't in stock that made them hard to sell and then the second part comes down to people who ask for backups of the video That's a common business use case and that's not a case use case I mean unify is great for the small businesses and never ask that question But once people go, I'd like to have a backup of all these videos and things like that unify is not there yet That's not a feature. I don't know where it is on a roadmap either To be clear use quad 9 and fully support that choice. Awesome Appreciate the envisioning deep dives and both xcp and g on proxmox. Yeah, I'm gonna do a new getting started with xcp and g videos. So that's definitely on my list Jay and Craft computing have both done proxmox videos. They use it more than me.  I rarely do any Learning something just to make a video and the reason why is my experience on the things I use a lot and deploy commercially Are going to be better videos because I'm more fluent in those things. So we have lots of pfcents So I do pfcents videos. We do lots of true nascent analogy That's a constant commercial deployment for us is one of those and you know Especially because we do a lot of larger scale systems with them I was talking to someone today and you know, they're probably going to hire us to do the project I think it's funny because they're like, oh, we only need about 50 terabytes on each one of these servers We need to put it only maybe 50 or 60 terabytes, you know When people are saying that like only and oh all flash is fine, you know, that that's our budget for this You know, it's interesting and because we get to play with a lot of those systems We I'm filming tomorrow in the Toledo office one. How many of you want to see an office tour of the Toledo office? I've never shown it before So we're going to go walk around the Toledo office. We are going to Talk about some of the projects that we have in flight, including petabyte server and this Incredibly beefy server that we built that is for another project for a client So I want to do some videos that is getting proxmox on it. So it'll be a lot to discuss there So, yeah, that's actually tomorrow. I'm going to be at the Toledo office most of the day Let's see Loving projects vdi with the video gpus. Nice Tinkering with ethernet cables never gets boring. I need to kind of rewire some of my rack I need to reshuffle some things if I'm feeling not too tired I've been wanting to do it ever since I got back, but this cold. I mean by the end of the day I kind of just want to be on the couch So, uh, yes, I will hopefully be rewiring some myself Speaking of strange questions considering dynamic routing for multiple vpn links and he does and don'ts I Don't know exactly what you're trying to accomplish. So I don't know don't have any specific comments on that Uh, both proxmox xcp and g uh, don't have good vdi solutions. That's that stand esx. I mean vmware horizon is not the same as proxmox and xcp and g. So, yeah If you're looking if you're looking for that type of solution then Yeah, the the vmware stuff is definitely but with it comes the big license fees Uh, we have we actually have a project we're migrating some of them off of that because the license fees are Not reasonable for the business anymore. Uh, and they don't have that many vdi usage anymore So it is going to spinning up a couple machines and just open vpn If you are an ms shop xcp makes the best sense outside of hyper v. Yeah Yeah, the backup was supposedly coming six months ago, right Did cnwr do cameras before the mergers out of you guys think I don't think they really did much of that. That wasn't their specialty, but they did do sonology I just don't think they were really specializing as much as we do in surveillance station So we brought a lot of that because we've done so many of those projects Uh, that's that's really in our wheelhouse for something. We have a team that's experienced on But it took no time. They already knew sonology So it took no time to cross train employees on how to set that up. That was that's a no-brainer By the way, sonology, if you're if you know how to use sonology at all Learning how to add surveillance station in it It's not that hard to do. It's really easy You know in I might post we are building the sales matrix out for how we do selling. Maybe I'll post that on our Business technicalities channel just to walk through how we look at sales and how you train people on it It's not that hard to sell this stuff And you know, we just hired a new person who's quickly getting up to speed on how to put these jobs together and sell it It's all about just having processes and understanding how to Uh bid this and put a sheet together for it Unify ppsk looking forward to finally the next little project duo MFA appliance for pfSense and other stuff I wouldn't want to use duo with my uh pfSense, but I don't like linking things to third parties like that I think you should make proxmox versus xcpg versus vmware you and craft computing Uh do a series of side-by-side comparison. The problem is It's the nuance and it's hard to really say what the differences are That it's just so It's how you use it It's one of the problems is and I and i'm gonna try to actually reach out to 45 drives and see if they've got any Like this so 45 drives uh does some proxmox work. My problem has been I haven't found anyone who runs proxmox At the scale that my clients run xcp and g so the comparison of Does it what makes a better home lab one? I mean probably proxmox because it's a little well just video showed me it's not exactly less But it's maybe slightly easier to do pass through in proxmox and probably More people do it That's the one reason that made push it towards the home lab If you're running the is it lxd or lxc containers. I forget which one's in proxmox, but the containerization option in proxmox There's not an equivalent feature in vmware or in the xcp ng and if your use case requires that then we scratch it off the list Uh, it's the large You know clients I have that run two and three thousand virtual machines across about a dozen hosts That's the one-to-one comparison because my I couldn't fix their proxmox programs nor did I try But they came to me with was a migration off of proxmox because it wasn't scaling well for them I wasn't going to try and change your mind because I don't know proxmox well enough They allegedly they had worked with proxmox support and couldn't get proxmox To make this thing less buggy for them They said it was good when it was small and as they grew it got bad and then they moved to xcp and g and everybody's happy Uh, could it been solved? I don't know. I I'm not I'm not well versed in proxmox to solve it But allegedly they had reached out because they had a pain support license and proxmox couldn't really help them either I don't really know why I've seen people talk about someone just posted. I had various issues of proxmox. It seems like proxmox eight more than one person has asked about Problems with the nix to keep flip flopping back and forth when they restart I don't know. I've seen people talk about it I know there's a problem if you have the cluster and the coral sink network It's even a little bit of packet loss I think that's the something j talked about that one being fixed And I think proxmox recommends putting it on a separate network But a lot of people don't and if you don't it causes problems But I don't know this is not I don't build these at scale to really troubleshoot any of these Um Any suggestion for a Protect set up for a car retailer thinking between AI cameras versus g5 poor bullet. I don't really know I Hard to say on that one I've not really taken each one of the cameras and dove into all the cameras now If you're asking me on doing it with Synology, I like the AI cameras I I haven't really looked I have to really dive into to get a better answer on any of the protect cameras It's true nascale vm better than proxmox. No true nascales virtual machine is very basic It works, but it's very basic. It doesn't have near the features of proxmox One question I have pf since again Have you done much with it in disconnected networks? I yeah, we actually have one or two commercial clients that had an isolated network It works you can it doesn't need internet to function It won't update without internet, but I mean, I don't know what the use case is you can do it ESXi is pretty much untouchable outside of enterprises xcp got a turn still not large enough to be an enterprise solution I mean, you tell me clients are running 2000 vms at large companies We've actually helped companies that are in the fortune 1000 list running xcp and g so I don't know where you're Dividing what enterprises is the only companies in the fortune 500 list or the fortune 100 list Because I mean they were only in the fortune 1000 lists are publicly traded They run large scale xcp and g infrastructure and they used to run citrix Uh, so they migrated most of the ones we've consulted with in the large enterprise came from citrix and flipped So I don't know how you would say it's not it fits their use case a couple large cloud companies You might have heard of uh use some of it too. So Uh, I might do a follow-up on this I don't know that there's like a Typical if you will packages I use in sonology um I don't really use their office, you know, I I like the sonology system But I wouldn't say that I'm using like their Office, but I do use if you go to the package center you look at what's installed I'm using like their smb. I like sonology photos virtual machines. Eh containers are okay I don't use it. I don't think I have any containers in or now or do I? Oh, I got uptime kuma running in here. So I have a container Um So there's really not too many packages. So I don't really have It's more of like I use it for active backup. That one is probably high on the list for setting it up In the end even quad 9 as an association have to abide by the law swiss courts can force the company to give over data Uh Well, they don't have the data to give that's that was the point. We had a good discussion I have a whole video where I dove into why they set up how they do and how they Um operate within the swiss law. So they it's an interesting video Where the people from quad 9 discussed how those legal wranglings work So uh, check out that video for a better detailed answer If you're sick, you can take a week off uh from the hardware and relax on the couch Swiss agencies allowed uh to do key rent which was approved in a referendum Interesting Using vmware horizon vdi a2 12 gpu licenses aren't Uh, that bad depends on the scale of each customer Yeah see Sounds, he's too easy. You don't really need to learn anything. You don't understand to ask. I mean that's It depends on what your goal is some people Um, I I heard my chat go off in slack It's one of my friends and you know what they're trying to do has a lot to do with application development and They just wanted a nas to get a bunch of stuff stuck on there because they're not trying to play and learn nas They're trying to work on application development build an environment to build it in so it starts with your goals If your goal is to learn nas in a more in-depth manner No, so now she's really basic if you want to some tinker with something you can play with your nas If you really want to tinker you build it yourself I saw l3 harris getting dell and vmware stuff for 50 other companies. I don't have any comment on that I don't know who l3 harris is Any training or starting to get speed on designing and deploying cameras? Uh I don't really know. I mean I I just kind of learned it by doing it. I don't I don't have a book I can point you to I've got videos where I talk about doing it So if you scroll through any of my videos on surveillance stuff, it's mostly just an infrastructure bid because you're doing all the Um, let me turn off slacks being noisy now There you go the two people messaging me. Uh, it's I learned by doing so I don't really have an answer to say Hey, this is the book. Um, I don't really have an easy one for that You you kind of just put together the bid make sure you understand your costs Cabling is one of the huge parts of it. So make sure you understand how to do infrastructure That's like a prerequisite for doing the cameras and after that it's just pricing out the camera systems And picking a brand that you know very well for me that synology. We know it. We trust it It's got the features we're looking for it makes the customers happy. We know how to set it up and use it without too much Um trouble. We've used a couple other commercial systems We have clients that have large-scale systems like exact vision That has like they have an exact vision series of servers that run an entire school district That's absolutely massive. So we've worked with some of those systems as well But they're really just the same, you know, it's just about settling on what product line you want to offer being really proficient at that product line What are you doing the how-to video on how to self-host tail scale on trueness scale? Uh already did it if you look I'm typing tail scale and trueness. I believe I've done two videos on that topic It's always dns. It's worth applying dns rules like tls or redirect onto the iot network It will probably break things. Not all iot devices will support that. So It's up to you. I don't know why you'd want to do that Um, I don't try to force my weird iot devices I keep them on a separate network for anything that I don't have that many iot devices You know, my wife pointed out. I think that the um, you can get a wi-fi adapter for our Dryer and I'm like no the washer dryer. There's some add-on But I have no interest in connecting these things to the internet. So I really don't have that many iot devices This channel is amazing. I learned so much and it's free. I like that you get the Commodore 64 logo That's also why I clicked on that on your comment Uh, I love to see video talking about those scaling issues and the problems you see They're not the really the problems I see and their problems but people tell me I want to switch to xcp and g because this doesn't work. Okay They tell me like the vms not running properly not starting and locking up They're kind of vague and I didn't it wasn't the point to me to listen to them and dive into their problems They've already done that with someone else who couldn't help them I'm there to provide them a solution how to move forward and not have these problems because they just Want the it systems to work So I don't have a lot of I've just had this as it's it's a starting point And I'm biased obviously because they're contacting me to do xcp and g as a replacement for them We don't have a ton of these. It's not like these are every day We're seeing them, but we do have this has happened. I have done consulting on unify, uh Confuses me. It seems like one ps a shared cell 802x is still the best solution One ps a shared between multiple devices. Um, but not mistaken isn't it a Uh, what I cody did a video on it watch cody for mech telecom networks videos. He's in here today Um, it's so you can set multiple passwords on one ssid. I believe right? I'm double-checking. I watched it this morning. Just making sure I'm not confused about it It's in beta. So we'll talk about it when it's out of beta Uh, is there an offline update option in case it's a backup restore each time offline update for what I'm missing some context Oh, and there's not There if you're talking about offline pf sense and updating it I don't think so. I think you just have to reload over the top with the newest version I don't know that there's any easy way to offline update it I mean, I've never tried so I'm saying I don't know if there's an easy way There's probably a hard way to do it and simulate all their servers and get a copy of all the files But that's doesn't sound like the easy way to do it Uh, if you have two vlands that are isolated from each other And then have a jump box a host with two nicks one on each vlan Is this defeating the object of vlands or breaking security one? Can you route through this jump box? Um, it's just jump box a point by which someone could compromise it and gain access to both networks Possibly, uh, so that it's really how secure is that box the fact that it can access both If that's compromised they have access to whatever that has access to It's not like a it's not compromising the security. You're just relying on the security of that jump box I've seen a lot that you know, it's funny skater type network was where we put these and uh It yeah, it was offline. I don't know how they updated. I don't know if they ever updated it It's just it's an it's an air gap network for a client Well, there's links kvm a good hypervisor. I don't seem to hear much about it A kvm is the underlying part of proxmox. So yes Um R2 there's a fun question here our chinese firewall devices such as cotom You've tested home for a while safe for home use can the bios of these be messed with or have back doors not likely But I will comment that I have one right here That is Not in use anymore and this is hey look the brand you mentioned cotom One of the ports went bad and these this is not the first one that this has happened to So I have seen some quality issues with them. I don't I can't imagine They have a back door loader that they stuck in there. Just seems a pretty unlikely thing they would do with any type of Consumer product because someone would find out these are used all over the place lots of security people use pf Sense and someone would notice a thing happening So it seems pretty obscure and unlikely that something alters the you know a bios loader It's it's not impossible But it is tricky to get something out of the bios and then into a linux system Windows actually makes this easier because windows will read from certain drivers that may be stored in there This is how that lenovo incident that happened a number of years ago Where they couldn't figure out how I kept reloading some of the lenovo stupid I can't remember the name of the software But it was some garbage ware that lenovo had but they actually because you can install Drivers in the bios and microsoft if it boots if it finds something in the bios it can grab it out of the bios and install it That's not something that I mean I mentioned you could write that into linux to do it or bsd, but they don't so I always look to vmware as enterprise x and b approaching enterprise and proxmox is a pet project We really don't see much proxmox in the commercial world Like we we see some we actually have a big client really large client that's using it in their We'll call their data analytics lab. They have a really niche use case. They they know proxmox So it's in use in their data analytics lab. It's not something that's running the core of their company But it does run within there. So it's definitely used at large companies I was on a demo for some software and notice the machine they were using was hvm.mu got me excited to see z yes Have you been pro senior woman of pf sense because I want to run 25 gigs for my lab But have you tried using a 25 gig? Why would you want 25 gig in your pf sensing you're probably going to say to route my storage No, I have a video on storage quit routing storage through the firewalls. That's I I say that To learn more watch my storage video, which was posted. I think monday So it's a couple days ago about designing storage. Just don't route storage on there You don't if you have a union pro and you're happy with it keep it You don't you can still run 25 gig. You just unless you have 25 gig coming to your Home that would be awesome. I do not have 25 gig coming to my home But you can as far as I I've not really tested much with pf sense There are some limitations and challenges to actually routing 25 gig It's it's a streaming problem of how many streams you can route at the same time Hosting tail scale from firewall or from true nas which is better and why? Uh firewall Why I've got a video where I talk about overlay networks type in like overlay tail scale and you'll find that video I just like it when it's centralized in the firewall, but there's nothing wrong with running it inside a pf sense So I got a video. I'm inside a true nas. I got a video on that as well So you can do both The nice thing about running your firewall is I don't have to load the agent anywhere Else I can just load it on my firewall and have access to everything that the firewall has access to That's a real big advantage to it I never recommend vmware at any company or corporation enterprise if they needed something that vmware could not do Uh, nothing else would replicate Understand her needs. Yeah, it does come to always understand her needs Both enterprise at different level esxi is easy to manage with a small it team It just costs a lot It's going to need a team and have a knowledge xcp. No, I would not say it needs a team man, you can just buy the service delivery um in support from xcp and g the Oliver Lambert and his team it does not need a team to run it once people know how to use it It's pretty much set it and forget it. Um, you can even build it to get out all the I would say It is way easier to update even if you're a novice It is easier to update an xcp and g system than it is the vmware system I sound sicker than last week on last week. I just lost my voice this week I had a cold that I got over but I have a sore throat from having a cold L3 Harris is a defense contractor. Okay Uh, would you recommend tail scale over open vpn or do you think tail scale be more secure? Tail scale does require you just a third party. I recommend it because it just works I like it. You don't have to deal with Open vpn and challenging situations Of setting it up, especially if you're stuck behind like cgnat at home So I like it for the ease of use of tail scale But um, if you don't want to have a third party involved in your life Well, then open vpn is for you. Nothing wrong with open vpn. They're both in terms of security I couldn't say one works more Is better than the other, uh, but tail scale is nice for simplicity Failure rate of sin os is really low I think most any failures we've had were environment triggered or hard drives failing. That's very true um We've had a really excellent we had to do some digging even find a failure of sonology The reliability is outstanding So that and we have a lot of them out that we've sold that we managed that we are watching with active insights Because we regularly manage them for clients. So yeah Do you recommend that into that one? I know you don't recommend squid at all But got a situation where k12 site using pf cents and squid and he hints at how to better filter out sites Looking into zeros zeros. That's how you do it. There's no there's no making squid better Uh, I want to fluff my clothes and the dryer for my phone when I forget to take them. Oh, we're catching up on those comments All right, my first was a uh Vic 20 awesome Uh, unify controller multi-site management. What rules are occurred? I have a video on that It's also documented on your site for all the ports. Let's see uh Open shift also uses uh kvm interesting On the contrary sierco microsoft windows 10 devices open to full compromise from hawaii. Yeah. Yeah Yep, uh proxmox is something you can Yeah, you can play with it a lot. It's a full debbie and install. So there's a lot on there Headports go bad on pondest device which is similar prefer so for xg appliances or del r2 20s A lot of comments. Wow Let's see 25 gig routing in pfcents for intervlan rules. Yeah It can be done Tales come pfcents sort of sucks Okay, but it works good sucks, but works good interesting contradiction here Uh, the problem is nat not working with acl because acl is applied at the destination destination There's no actual source because of nat Yeah, I mean it is the way it's integrated.  I'm running it.  All right Time to solve for behind the comments at 13 37 how long until he reads this? um at 438 I lost an mv this morning 630 gig gone. Glad it was uh, also on my nas. Yeah Recommend a multi chassis lag once I went under I need to expand on that question. What exactly is your goal? What are you trying to do? What I was also going to mention Any thoughts on headscale? Uh headscales great already did a video on it. So yes, if you like Are there anything different that well, I mean they've updated the version since I did headscales I did like over a year ago if If you want to use the app I think you can use a phone app now with headscale at the time Like you couldn't do it, but there's a way to do it now. I think I Someone else can correct me on that but someone had commented that they they added that But it was on a roadmap when I did the video. So thumbs up to heads Doing a cough in the microphone I'm running a two for personal use case when you start applying acl's on the tail scale head cell It starts to fall apart because uh, you have to do nap for tail scale traffic Yeah So there's I mean, there's always going to be some challenges when you're running it. Um Would like to see a unified instance with certs To add to renew. Um, my solution of that is ha proxy. There's there's not I mean There's ways to do it where you could set up a reverse proxy on a server I'm not going to do a video about it. I there's plenty of reverse proxy videos already out there Uh, I don't really need to add to it. As a matter of fact any reverse proxy video I do will cause a debate amongst the people who like their reverse proxy better You can use engine x you can use traffic You can use whatever you want for reverse proxy my you know with pf sense ha proxies built right in so I've done an updated 2023 version of ha proxy throw it right in front of your Um, unify and it works wonderful for that Unify self-hosted on the linux vm. Yep I so that's the only place to do it Someone got mad because I really I said it doesn't work as well in windows and people tell me It's it's me not tuning windows or something and i'm like or adjusting the firewall rules I'm like just don't run into windows. That's it just it seems buggier in windows I know I don't feel like making it work in windows. It just works easier in linux and by the way We don't have to deal with windows update problems I mean, obviously if you're already have a windows server you can use it for other things Run it there if that's what you want, but yeah Uh The way you can work around is you have tail scale on a separate node set it up between. Oh, yeah I mean, that's another way to do it too That point just run open vp add but maybe you're stuck behind a uh cgnat it doesn't work Wait, we'll do this one first. I'm going to use three intel nut 12 pro proxmox cluster. Can you link them through thunderbolt? um I think window has a video on that. I've never tried I think window did a video on it. So i'm not the person asked because i've not used it Would you recommend snort ciricata over? next-gen firewall IPS from sancho library perspective Pretty much if you're using like snort with the paid subscription That's what's underlying in all these other companies that are using threat protection. They're all using snort Then there's not calling it snort. They're calling it threat protection Or sometimes ciricata if you if you looked at the threat protection in the unify system It's just running ciricata. It's not anything different Does traffic even work without a kubernetes cluster? I don't know. I don't use it No nap for tail scale traffic unless you have a handful of devices then you can install tail scale on in a subnet router Yeah, I mean you could just pop it on a raspberry pi as your exit node to get into your network It comes down to how you want your use case Is it possible to tail scale into pf sense and then on through a privacy like pa? uh Kind well, I did a video on how you can actually just use tail scale to get you directly out to molvad And I think that's a cool partnership. A lot of people seem to like molvad vpn molvad paa to me. They're all just vpn companies. Uh, I I don't really Buy into any of them being The be all end all of amazing privacy companies Take that for what it's worth. I then none of them get my personal endorsement. How's that? I mean, there may be some really shady ones out there that you should probably definitely avoid But molvad and paa to my knowledge and limited knowledge because I don't study this and try to Unravel the corporate veil of who these people really are How valid the tests are of their privacy, but I think the molvad one is a reasonable offer I did a video on how to do that with tail scale. It's just integrated as a tail scale now Which I think is cool How do I test my nat redirect or trying to reach something that's externally facing but I don't want to go out and back in um There's there's nat reflection. You just a checkbox in pf sense if you watch my video I talk about nat reflection if you look up port forwarding in pf sense ds provider doesn't support wild cards and pf sense doesn't have an integration for network solutions I would switch dns providers I saw new unified products mentioned this week looks like more home user again windows content is brilliant I do like windows content. Windows is awesome. Windows brilliant. We'll go that. Well, that's why I'm wearing one of windows shirts If you haven't seen this one, it's the teaching sand the think was a mistake. Uh, this is from windows store the level one tech store Cisco talos. Yes, that's who updates the stored feeds Can I use a voucher system on the unify controller instead of linux a bunch of server? I don't know. I never use it Watch the headscale vid in video. Uh, there were other apps involved so I was confused as to whether the apps were necessary they included I'm not sure I It's a linux server and I talked about how to set it up How would you trust the suricata IPS and unify? No You know, I thought it was funny. There's a If you look, I think the register had an article. I feel like the register unifies suricata. Maybe we can find it real quick There was actually a funny article about, um I'm not doing the updates Uh, too many other I don't know. I can't find it was an old article. Uh, it was actually that they weren't updating Someone noticed that they're uh, weren't updating their suricata feed a while ago And no one noticed, uh, it somehow I don't know if it was a licensing problem. They fixed it, but it was it was a funny news article a couple years ago Uh, I think they they dumb it down too much. I like really detailed if I'm gonna manage something like a threat feed It's nice to have all the details in there. They kind of dumb it down a bit in the unify system Someone did ethernet over thunderbolt. Yeah Uh, I think I feel like wendell has a video on that as a topic the the drivers In in linux work, but they're not I don't think they're well developed or well Like it's enough. It's like a basic working concept But not a really well in-depth written driver, uh, because not enough people are using it but novel that it exists Let's see Uh Been watching wendell since he sat behind a monitor. Sometimes he is behind a monitor It appears I've set my server, uh, has a permanent pa firewall rule as an exit node. It should exit through pa Good thing creating rules is simple. Yes I have a wire guard Clients at the p.o. Centrist also has site to site ip sec to another location What am I missing about wire guard clients from traversing the other into subnet? That's a bf sense question. I haven't tried that. I I've not mixed them Part of them problem might be and I don't know if they've changed this or not. This is like a chris Christian mcdonald would know the answer to this as I don't we don't really have clients that mix this up like this Where they try to make two of them work because of that. I've never really sat down and built it and routed it but my understanding is When things are loaded as packages versus native, there's a Rule where they can't route out the next one because the other one didn't exist in the startup before the other one I might be misquoting that That's a great question for their forums Someone in the forums will know because one of the developers will probably answer that question But it's not an answer. I know because it's not a test I've set up It may be one day when I'm bored I'll set it up But I it's low on my priority list to actually try to test that sounds like you've already got the system set up And if it's not working then go ahead and uh You know test that out. I'm just not sure because there's something about the rule order I remember christian mcdonald talking about it in one of his videos About wire guard. So he only has two or three of them. So if you watch his video about wire guard He has a discussion on that as a topic He didn't show his face. He just like wilson from home improvement What I'm saying is If remote set exit node and the server has a pf central so I'll try it that should do it Maybe I don't know I don't know if it will or not I think it should but I don't know that it will because it's a package This is actually the same answer of the other person asking about wire guard over ipsec and whether or not to get it out I've never tried I don't know if it will it let me know um, maybe But if you had a pi hole Oh, no, it's not a pi raspberry pi on your network And you took the raspberry pi and loaded tail scale on it and set it as your exit node And then because it's behind and not attached to the pf sense. Yeah, that and it'll exit out there You're adding so much latency or connection. It seems like a horrible idea I like the idea that with tail scale I can go here because I um have this set up to do this And I'll just hold my phone up to the screen because that seems like an easy way to do it But if I turn on my phone and I go to I'll scroll down here and just show you Hey, look lots of uh Come on focus Maybe Oh, I think it's too bright You can these are all bulb ad exit nodes. Well, just trust me um But that's actually you you can select exit nodes here. I I did the video on it You don't really want to hop all the way back to your home who then hops back through your isp then back out To a vpn them back in and then back across tail scale to get you a result You're you're making yourself experience the internet and in in slow way Or maybe that's the goal is to have slow internet.  I'm traveling You should set the privacy vpn on that laptop not route home and then back out over a privacy vpn Because you're lessening your experience of the internet. Uh, well, you're slowing it down a lot. So That's uh, the big one My company is moving to a new location soon. We want to rebuild our network Hopefully from scratch the bunch allows you currently have multi chassis switches between different floors I mean, I like unify and if that works for your company, I think it's not a bad choice But I I'm not a hundred percent clear on the question. I know you'd asked the question earlier about uh different chassis and maybe That is uh, what you're trying to do is make them manageable You know, one of the things we have a client right now We're working with that we're deploying a wrist a switch as well And it makes you appreciate just how cheap those licenses are Or non-existent licenses are for unify because while you can sing the praises of arista boy, those licenses are expensive Okay, using tail skills way tome makes a lot of sense Uh, if you're looking for something like amazon ec2 for your pa client you want everything through that Yeah, like I said, it's just It's You know, when you start making these overly complicated and many hops each hop adds latency. So that's definitely a It's something you have to consider. You don't want to lessen your experience So there's some video checking. How's that pf someone avoiding dirt mode on tail scale? Uh, I believe the way you do that is Just open a port. I'm not mistaken. I even mentioned that You set the port and tail scale. Let me see if I can I don't remember if Something I can show So if we go to tail scale Yeah, you just set the port and then hold on let me confirm that this is how I have it set up Yep, I just have a port open for tail scale and uh, that's that's the solution. Let me Zoom it in here and share this tab and bring it up and you can see Look, there's packets, uh, that I've got back and forth going there. So, you know, I've assigned it port 41641 and I've opened up on my way in 41641 and I mean since I've rebooted this and done something It's not that much data. So there's only 62 megs. I wonder if I turn well, no, I'm I have to uh, let's try this So if I go here and Turn off wi-fi And then turn on tail scale That should start some new active states here Well, I probably got to connect to something Uh, needs to what's on the network that I can talk to So I get some data moving There we go try that Hey, look, there's connections I'm moving data Some packets you can see there's a Uh, a connection here one state created. So all you have to do is just like I said in my video I'm 99% sure I said that in the video open a port set the port open a port and uh, then your tail scale will work Let me turn my For I uh, forget why my phone's so slow turn that back on and turn I don't need tail scale Well, actually, you know, it doesn't even matter if you leave tail scale on All right, one of the things I like is you can just leave it on and then When you're on your home network you're on your home network Uh, it doesn't really care Let's see Yeah, mobile exit nodes are just devices on your network. Yep Uh, mobile exit nodes for the device you're on it is direct connection between you and device and mobile tail scale is a mesh, correct? From the uh, why is everyone trying to add so much latency to their connections? Yes That's basically my in a nutshell Uh, any thoughts on storing pass keys inside of password manners rather than every device I think I don't know if If you can back them up In a service and then move them around They're convenient But now someone has a different attack vector I don't know what you're really I guess it's solving it for some people because if you storm on the phones people can just log in And if they're stored in there, they don't have to fill in they can just fill in I don't know. I don't think they're bad But that is part of the challenge is making sure you have ability to port them and move them around as you create accounts So because if you can't move them around How are you going to be able to if I log in here and I couldn't move it out of my phone? Then what happens when we need to get a new phone? I lose all my accounts or have to set them all back up again and re-register the pass key I don't know. I'm not the most excited about the pass keys. I thought I was doing a video on it But I don't know Flaptops on cellular it works in tail scale browse my home resources connect to a wi-fi connect anything internal external until I disconnect tail scale Yeah, udp is stateless correct I don't advise tail scale on for mobile and someone will take out 50 percent of your battery throughout the day I never really I don't know. I don't think I've I had I guess I'd have to look to see how much battery it really uses. I don't know I don't use it enough that it's ever mattered and if I leave it I think it moves data a lot when you're using it Or if you tell it to route to everything through it that it's going to be Much more demanding, but if you're saying like a split tunnel situation like don't use an exit node Only use it for resources that you want, you know split VPN style. I think that way works fine I boss is currently looking at network as a service which will cost around $2,800 a month That's on you. I mean As long as you know what you're getting into When you do that The problem is And I've seen this before, you know, someone signs up for a network as a service and then they go, you know The service wasn't great from you guys. I want to switch and they go no problem We need all our stuff back because you're bought it as a service um I mean, but then again, you don't have to manage it. So That's easy One of my colleagues and I have looked at unify We estimate an ROI within the first eight to nine months to go with unify so far as no unify does not support multi chassis lags. No, they don't They do not It's not like you can bind all the chassis together. No They did but you don't because of the unify dashboard works because of the way you can Manage it through one interface. That's why I don't really think that's this necessary thing But if it's if that's your deal breaker, then uh, then unifies out I forgot I can test my server that is on pa as an exit node. There you go I Use worry guard for my mobile instead of tail scale wire guard uses Uh less than one percent battery while tails use 10 percent or more. I know it's an issue They are trying to address. No, I mean vp is in general. I'm definitely going to use more Uh, but why I direct wire guard is probably lighter weight than the functionality of tail scale Uh, do you see yourself Transitioning to a flash and only base solution for your customer storage in the next one or two years. No Outside the 30 terabyte storage you might need Everyone keeps saying, you know The spinning drives are dying and or not. They're a different use case Steve Gibson actually had a really good You know a tool. He just released talk about how many bad Versions there are of these storage devices. So there's um, I think there's a lot longer life So I don't see us as we do sell a lot of flash. Don't get me wrong. It's popular But it's not the only solution. Uh, so Yeah, I think both are gonna here's my thing Flash isn't gonna die spinning drives aren't gonna die They're not gonna die because of one or the other because the reality is the flash drives are Incrementally better MVMEs are incrementally better, but they're very similar There's going to be a technology that we don't know Yet we haven't invented or maybe it's invented and hasn't been mass marketed yet There's going to be a new storage technology that I think will upset both of those I don't know what that is, but that's that is probably what will be the death of them is not Their competition with each other because there's a divergence going on right now for mass storage and you know We're still seeing newer and better stuff coming from mass storage devices, but on the topic of the You know the other ones. Yeah, it's going to be something else that happens. So Greetings and welcome to the noob. We're all we're all noobs at some point. Yes, absolutely I watched the security podcast even is amazing. Yes This is the part people don't appreciate and i'm actually um, gonna have someone on the channel pretty soon And we're gonna talk about just how complicated a modern Spinning drive is the level of complexity and steve's not wrong at all about what he said We're gonna go deeper with one of the engineers who spends time consulting on design at the big company So, uh, it's it's going to be a fun video where we just dive into how complex modern Drives are what they go through in terms of testing how they engineer them. And yes, it's this rhub goldberg machine that you can't believe how The any data is read of these at all. That was basically the more you learn about it. You're like, wow It takes so little Change to the platter some minor little thing So when you see people going Oh, no, I crushed and bent the platters in two and someone will go you also have to degauss them No, no just the the slightest change in these platters is enough to probably not make the data come off of them anymore at all so We are to the point where These are You know really complicated devices that it's become Mind-blowing that we're able to get data off them at all Oh Magnets man, how do they work? Cloudflare tunnels and ha proxy are different animals Cloudflare tunnels require it requires that you have some level of trust with cloudflare to do their reverse proxy so In obviously cloud for tunnels are generally more towards things you want public facing ha proxy is not just for public facing but also things That you may want to host internally My web interface for my unify controller is not public facing But I do have a nice certificate honor How much can windows run telemetry on a linux dual boot? I don't understand the question Windows when windows is running does telemetry and it Windows doesn't read linux generally speaking So in a dual boot if you're asking does windows have visibility into the linux in My setup when I've set up dual boot systems. I generally have a boot password for my linux system So it's encrypted windows doesn't know the boot password. So there's no way you can even load something in windows to mount my linux so yeah What if in a distant supernova goes off and erases all of your hard drives Uh seems unlikely. Um, but you know, that's the fun thing about it if it if uh If everything got reset. Well, we go build it again. That's all It's it's as simple as that to me. It's like if it all if it all went, you know away. What do we do? Well, we'll just rebuild it again It'll be fun. It'll be better to the second time. We'll build a better version of it I'm gonna mute it because I have a little bit of stuff, you know There we go all right More questions people have I can keep going a little bit longer Uh, have you got a video on docker? I'm not the docker guy. Uh, there's plenty of other people who do docker videos I would recommend christian lempa. He's got some really good ones. Uh christian lempa that digital life great videos on docker I think I can pull his youtube channel up is a Hey, cool. He's even he's got some videos on things like Uh, not just docker He's got a whole series. He's probably got a whole playlist of docker tutorials But yeah, this guy right here absolutely, uh Great videos on that as a topic great learning resource Good other people are familiar with them Say you leave windows telemetry after an update will be able to escape the same machine running your more privacy focused Linux Can memory dump reveal no uh I I don't I don't know sure exactly what you're thinking here But if they're running dual boots or not running at the same time, so um, no Uh christitis has a good channel as well Uh, I think he still works for sofas db tech, you know your name and all the people that are my friends db tech Uh, he's got some videos under uh jay from learnlinux tv as well thanks, uh Is this live q&a set up at obs no this is using a tool called stream yard uh stream yard makes this a lot easier to manage it's easy for me to share things and uh all this there's so many Looking at all the Linus is back to posting all his videos mr. B stuff Fun stuff. Oh look luis is upset about youtube again Oh, yes, all the fun things that are on youtube kubernetes runs docker containers Um, often, you know, I've now I've watched maybe only a couple of videos from awesome open source But yeah, they've definitely um, these got good videos as well the couple I watched I I don't Watch a ton of the videos. Um, I'm more of a reading person than a than a Watching video person. I don't know why my nose is getting worse This is what happens as the day goes on last couple days like it I get stuffy at the end of the day I gotta get all my talking done before The end of the day Linux for privacy and security I mean It depends I don't think Papa West is bad at all. Um They're not like specifically for privacy But just linux distributions in general don't have the telemetry things that you find in windows So I'd probably say papa west. That's what I run I think it's the good balance of if you're new to linux It's relatively easy to use easy to set up easy to manage updates go well And uh, there's nothing in it that's not privacy focused So it's not linux is not inherently trying to Take your data and sell it to people So it's not like windows where they have telemetry to collect information and licenses and everything else There is now if you want to be more anonymous, there is cubes and tails. That's I the challenge is How fluent in linux are you to deal with that? Uh tails. I've actually if you look I've done a video on tails I'm not the only one who has my video is probably a couple years old, but it's It it runs on tour. So you're a little bit more privacy focused with it But boy, is it a basic system cubes is cool. It isolates everything into containers using Zen, which is really neat. But once again, it becomes a little bit more challenging to use as your daily driver. So I want to be able to game on windows, especially in anti-cheat games But the gaming data is all it's only she they will get so you're a better security model That's a trade you're going to make if you're going to run windows to play games You're going to send some data That's and now the good news is protons coming along and we're getting lots more Linux supported games, which is great But once they start running these proprietary binaries that run in these games Who knows what telemetry data will be coming with the games if you're playing online games You're going to find that you're going to lose certain amounts of privacy I don't want that to be the case. I just am very realistic that that's certainly part of the case Well, let's see Um, any current projects you're working on all kinds of them a million I'll list a mile long I'll be covering some of them, uh in the next week probably have you seen nixos? I'm aware of it I don't use it Don't really have a use case for it Uh Keep your soul more minimal means there yes Those two may not be safe to mention on youtube unless um being paranoid I mean it it all depends on You know, i'm a privacy oriented type person and I run popo s and I think it's fine If I want to do the put things on tour that's an option as well But I can also use tour without switching to tails tails gives you It's it comes with its use challenges But tails is great if you want to wander the web in a more anonymous way and not leave a trail, uh, but That also means you probably shouldn't even use it at home You should set it up on a laptop and then find a public wi-fi and then connect to a vpn and then collect a tour Uh, if you're trying to be is anonymous as possible. Does that mean it's convenient? Not necessarily Uh, see most of the thing you can use and play some windows games But yeah, if you start talking about privacy again, what's the Privacy level with steam it's it's not the os though. S is part of it microsoft collects your own telemetry on there Um, but it's more than that with the games the games themselves, you know I actually like the retro games and I understand why people say it was one of the golden eras of gaming Because with the retro games. Yeah, I didn't have to connect to a server a matter of fact, you know It can be years later and you can be happily running along here playing on your little device and Doing whoops You know, you do your thing here And uh, I didn't have to connect to a server to play this so It doesn't need internet to play. I can play this when I travel You know, I'm a big retro games They're still where I like because I don't have to go I don't worry about the server being down But then I'm not playing with anyone and that kind of sucks, too Uh, how do you foresee opening a i-chat gp for your business the next year? Um I I I keep using it for youtube titles. That's how I foresee using it Uh, most of the well functioning anti-cheat software run ring zero and has access to everything The only thing you separate your personal life from the gaming's pc. Uh, yes, this is why separate gaming computer for me That's my solution. Uh, I have different email addresses I use on it It's just for my gaming stuff. It's I never let my business stuff crossover into it. It is what it is Should have gone with an odin, but you can't complain. I really like the uh You know, I really like these device the the retroid is cool I mean, I'm not there's plenty of people who are hey, look you can see what I see There's the camera If you wonder how I look at that there we go cool. Uh, anyways I'm easily distracted but Whoops. Yeah, these devices are just great for you know playing the retro games and stuff like that I'm really happy with this device. It was it was on a good price. Uh, the battery life is great I don't like that it runs android. Um, but it was for what I wanted to do the most cost effective way to do it And just cool There's also a steam deck which serves as a dedicated Linux gaming device. Yeah, that's pretty cool You can also do retro games on that Uh, Apple collects almost no PIA and is very advanced to data collection. Linux doesn't collect anything There are trade offs if you want to gain the os is least of your problems Yeah, the os is now. Well, apple certainly does collect a certain amount of information on you. Um, so does google they both do Apple Each company in google is the same way they keep the information they collect in you in their ecosystem Because they want to sell you more things. So yeah Have you tried, uh, other search engine what you think I've never used it. So no opinion. I mean I'll admit to defeat. Uh, google finds what I'm looking for. So I use it the most and I I Yeah, I don't know that it's I've not seen anything really find things better than google I mean, so that's generally speaking. I I'll admit defeat of not trying too many other ones because google just gets the job done That that is most of the challenge on there. So what is it called? a premium search engine You know what though, honestly, I don't spend probably the most amount of time searching for things either though I send more time in forums.   I spend time Going through rss feeds for the news. That's why I made my video on fresh rss He was like this is how I get my news. It's nice and organized and then sometimes from here or through uh Either mastodon or a friend i'm talking to on maybe slack or discord Will have something they link to and then that site will get added to here because i'm like, oh, that site has good information Um, this data breaches net site. I found I found it to be really interesting So I added it to my feed. So I don't spend a lot of time like searching for that type of stuff That's probably I don't think as much about like switching search engines My day doesn't start with just searching for things and It's I know which forum like if I had a problem with xcp and g. I'm not google. Well, I might google the problem Uh, I'm more likely though to go to the forums I use altavista Half my job is a google search. Um I mean I I'm a chat gpt person quite a bit too because I if I need Chat gpt like when I had to clean up my dns filtering list I said, hey chat gpt. Give me give me a quick and dirty script to get this done So chat gpt is good for things like that. So once again, I'm not always googling it. So I mean whichever works for you it it depends what you're searching I guess Uh, how do you get fresh rss to start by date? I don't know I think it's always started by date I I don't I think this is the default way it sorts because I don't recall I don't recall specifically changing it um So I I don't Yeah, I don't really know. Um To my knowledge, this is just is maybe it's in the gear here Display I don't know Start time zone theme reading Uh articles for page sort order newest first. Maybe maybe that's what you need So here's the sort order I say whenever I google I see your forum is usually the first Um, yeah, my my forums has so many thousands of posts my forums and the xcp and g forums I searched like I searched the netgate forums or churnass forums Um, matter of fact, I use google site search sometimes because it indexes faster And google has an index of it. So sometimes like site colon the forum the question I have I know I don't need 20 results. I need the forum that probably has the answer. I'm looking for Oh, I use chat gbt to write all my uh Uh, what is that gray log? Uh, when I needed my gray log parsers I mean I posted them publicly so people could download What for my gray log video? So the different filters I made I posted them, but I also made comment I said thanks chat gp writing these, you know, I needed to write some updated filters I just went to chat gp and wrote it I I don't know if We I mean, I think if you're the smart programmers if you're if you're in a job because I was working with someone Who didn't get an interpreter wrote and it was taking them a long time to get something done I'm like, why aren't you just writing this and chat gbt? They're like, oh our engineering team has to get to it I'm like, why isn't your engineering team using chat gbt? I just need this parser wrote, you know what? If I can add code to your system, I can write it too. Alls I need to do is like parse this data that out of the system to ingest it over here Lockdown mode versus windows setbacks you can choose one for def com which is less likely to get you hacked You're not that likely, you know deviant olam did a video about the people over hyping and he's He's talked at like many many def cons and people over hyping Getting hacked on that. It's that's not the likely way you're getting hacked So I neither is the answer Must have set up for homelanders. I don't know my diy rack video build your rack Uh, I honestly feel google's been delivery sabotaging their search It's all especially when you're on looking for something very specific And then you try being chat for chat gbt and instantly knows I don't know. I guess it what are you searching for that google's not finding? I guess it's a question because I just don't use it enough So I'm not the best person to ask because my use case isn't enough so, um That's probably you know, I'm looking for restaurants Well, the most common search restaurants and when do they open restaurant near me? That's my my outside of tech google search is just food I need to eat. Um Oh, I uh Car deal I was looking up. I bought a motorcycle another one. So I I guess I looked up when the dealership would be open I just don't I guess I don't computer much when I'm not doing work stuff Uh in tune jamf, etc. We use, um Currently ninja one. So I think in tune is overly complicated probably. I don't know In not well suited for our use case of multi-tenant management. So we're using um Ninja one for our stuff I seen that he posted the video about it and free the free pvx hack. I have not watched it yet Uh, did you know anybody going to the ito compass in chicago? I should try to have a convo with them tomorrow Um, no, I mean, I probably know some of the people there. I'm not going Um, but I'm I I know a lot of people in that that go to that. So I'm sure I know them Uh, I'm going the next event. I'll be at his it nation. So Oh, let's see. I think I'm finally reaching The end of my voice So let's uh a few more questions if people have it Then I'm gonna make some tea Chasms neat. I think it's a neat tool you can play with. Uh pretty cool I mostly use mac msp and use ninja for windows and add a g for mac. Yeah, um I don't do my I don't think we have any mac All the thousands of machines we manage and I think next to none are mac. It's very few. So What's it like to run an msp these days? Um Same as it's always been because I've been doing it for so many years. I don't know. Uh, it's fun I guess I enjoy it It's well, I don't actually run it run it jason slagle runs it He's president of c and wr. I do the content creation and uh consult on project So I don't actually run the msp anymore. So it looks like a lot of fun that jason's having I was usually looking for an issue or an ipca subcard. It makes a strange sound when I open discord Like rapid clicking like for the answer on google while nothing of any use I'm gonna try being chan instantly told me the sound was coming from the Relay on my sound that was something that I should Worry about, huh? I mean, I even haven't had a look at a problem like that. So I guess that's an interesting example Google I don't know. It does what it does It's not a perfect system by far. I'll I'll not I'm not defending google Uh, I'm mostly just telling you I use it for It seems to index reddit really well and and I'm more specific. Uh, I actually thought dav plumber of the Uh, Dave's garage. He did a good video on better searching. It's funny because I thought I would learn something And I'm like only the I learned is me and Dave search the same way. I'm very implicit I'm not if I have a tech question I'm going I tell it to index the site I want because I already know where the answer is I just want google to extract it from reddit or from the true nas forums or from the neck gate forums So because I'm more implicitly using The site The google site search function for example, and I'm implicitly losing You know, I'm just not as worried about it. Give me a wrong result because I know about I have an approximation of where I will find the answer. I'm looking for Uh, why linux don't load on some apu systems like the deck? Uh, I don't know Thank you for posting your videos. I use them on my network Have you started deploying being chat enterprise at chat to rewrite emails? For each member of the staff suggested prompts on them all personalized email Yeah, I gotta probably get the salespeople to start using it. Um, I think it's interesting that it's You know, there there are more options now Um, I use it natively. I just use the the web interface and I have it on my phone So I can just ask chat gpt things Uh But it's done wording for me. Mostly I use it to help me write a titles for youtube, maybe some descriptions of things that I I'm like, give me a description describing this and it'll give me a nice paragraph. I'm like, let's save me a paragraph of typing Then I'll if I want to I'll reword it sometimes if I don't like a couple of words it shows But it's a labor saver. It's a time saver. It's just another creative tool in your toolbox. That's how I look at it. It's like It's it's neat It doesn't it gives you Very generic words. That's how I would describe a lot of the responses. I'm not going to say it gives you Amazing ones. It gives you like the most generic corporate bland sounding Uh sentences, which sometimes that's what you want. Other times. It's not what you want The voice chat experimental feature is trippy. Huh I've not tried that at all. Um, I just chat gpt have that so Or are you talking about the bing one still? I don't think I've seen anything about the chat gpt Oh, yeah, wow It's on there says Introducing voice conversations All right Spoken conversations continue I just want to share how thrilled I am to work with you and I can't wait to get started So what's the game plan? It's great to meet you. Hey, I'm ready to hit the ground running Well, hello, I'm really excited about teaming up with you and I'm all set to this is kind of cool I'm glad you mentioned it. So That was pretty cool I don't We're not having a conversation right now chat gpt. That's neat. Thank you That's the statement I was looking for we taught ai to uh, to rightly corporate middleman thought it meant Aosinian shredded and realizing that corporate middle managers are not. Yes. Someone had tweeted that a while ago I think it was internet hippo Had tweeted that and yes It's on the agenda for me and jason tomorrow. Oh, man uh We're going to be doing an office tour and testing out some machines creating some b-roll for those said machines Maybe we'll record a business technicalities. How are you enjoying hoodoo thinking about changing over to them hoodoo works fine It's the best solution It's the least sucky solution. Not the best. None of these are the best I feel like there's so much improvement that can be done across all solutions Every time we interact with any of these tooling always like oh, they can do this. They can do that There's always room for improvement. I always joke that so many of the tools we we are choosing the tool that sucks the least Not the tool that works the best It's uh, maybe i'm a little jaded, but there's a lot of software that could be better So there's always an opportunity Hoodoo has a chat gpt integration. I don't know that hoodoo needs the chat gpt integration Maybe they have it. I don't know. I haven't I certainly haven't used it and we don't have it turned on if it does So i'll leave it at that. All right. It's been an hour and a half. My voice is giving out I don't want it to be gone for tomorrow Thanks for stream time.  Yeah, I like just answering questions. It's kind of fun It's uh, it's enjoyable And i'll maybe i'll do this more often now that winter's here because there's no reason to go outside anymore For the next few months. It's cold. Um, I hibernate inside in a winter And the winter's okay. I go for a walk, but I don't want to spend all day outside But somewhere I like to be outside So all right everyone. Thanks for joining me for this last hour and a half of q and a Love answering all your questions. Hit me up on the forums. That's a great place. Hit me up on the socials You can always find those at lorton systems.com I've been seeing that a lot more because I I see the socials. I don't know what the social Landscape looks like in the future when someone's watching some of these videos Uh, so that's why I say whatever I'm just going to keep my website up to date Of whatever to connect me with and I'm working on redoing my website So it'll get better soon because I haven't updated a number of years, but yeah So Absolutely. All right. Thanks everyone and I'm out