Welcome to Toffy TV, we're joined in the studio by John Blaine, who's going to give us all the details, everything we need to know about Bramley Mordach. Where's John from? Where's he from? What does he, what else does John bring with him? The Gravitas from where? I have no idea. Everton Business Matters? Yes Everton Business Matters. John Blaine with Altony from Everton Business Matters. I've covered everything now because you normally get a thing through from you. You're the only one who had it do you? I know. I don't know why you have to say there isn't any. Because you missed the business matters and I'm just holding my hands up and going like that. You know when a defender kicks the forward and immediately goes like that. Killed his charge. Yeah it was my mistake with Dee. I gave him an E. I shouldn't have given you an E. I'm going to get news on the internet now isn't it? John, we heard some news last week about the funding for the stadium. Joe Anderson said that Everton might be looking elsewhere. Joe's coming off the message a little bit here. Do you think that's him just trying to create a little bit more time? Or do you think Everton, obviously with the Uzmanov rumors as well thrown into the mix? Do you think it's all wakening itself the way Everton finds we really want it to be with Mr Uzmanov coming to Everton? Which question is yours? Start with Joe Anderson. I think Joe has been pragmatic. I think when we do the business matters thing I always say time kills deals. And you'd like to think that if the LCC thing was happening then it might have happened by now. I think the official answer is that the default position is still that we want to do the deal with the council. I think nothing the club have publicised I suppose is the securitisation demands are quite high. And that I guess is what Joe needed to get it through Cabinet and all those sorts of things. And what you have to do is you have to take a holistic view and say ok that's a really good deal for the city. If there's still people out there who don't believe that then they're lost causes aren't they? So it's a really good deal for the city but is it a really good deal for Everton? In business matters we've always summarised it as being a good deal for both because the borrowing cost isn't crazy and obviously there's that benefit to the city. But if the securitisation limits your potential for financial investment down the line because this is going to be a 25 year deal that we do with the council then you might actually say to yourself you know what in the round it's not necessarily the best deal we could get. So what you'd expect and I think the club have said this from the beginning certainly Denise talked about it when she became the chief exec albeit just in a very tertiary sort of way that we're looking at other funding models because the one way you can confirm to yourself that the council deal is a good one or not is to compare it with something isn't it? And I just think he's thinking two things. One is I need to get all my political colleagues in line because he thinks perhaps he's going to come under political pressure in the next year or so at you know the mayoral elections and all those sorts of things and say this is a really good deal for the city and if we hoof and puff and slow things down in a way while we go through our process and the like Evan will go somewhere else. So I think that's part of it. That's not an in the know thing. That's just an observation. And I just think Mishiri and his financial people which I guess is people like Ryazan, seven the like they perhaps have this thought that all our eggs are in one basket at the moment for that initial 280 million and perhaps we should have alternatives and I do think they will have alternatives. They want to get themselves into a position where there are alternatives if only if the council thing starts getting hard and difficult with timetable we say sorry lads you know we have to go somewhere else because the real thing hence why I said to you what's the question whatever it finds really want is final confirmation that we really are going to move to Bramleymore. And that requires us obviously to submit a planning application. We still stand by and we can all have opinions but we still stand by what we've been formally told the general meeting of shareholders or things that Denise has said and Elston said before her and so on that will submit a planning application this year. I don't see that myself but it's not a big deal because to get in there for 22-23 it's a spade in the ground before next summer isn't it. So if you do a right to left plan where you say well I've got to be digging stuff or prepping land or doing whatever I'm doing and making it up first of July 2019 otherwise it can't be open in time then as long as you get everything lined up before then you're all right. And I think Joe and the council in general I think they've done a huge amount of work in almost like in a purple corridor type stuff of making sure that all the ducks are lined up English heritage, the Wales Heritage Organisation all those sorts of things. So that when we go for planning notwithstanding the propensity of people who are worried about small boats or kites wherever it might be or just being jealous that we'll have a prop that builds our third new stadium that sort of thing the planning application won't necessarily take as long as people think to get through. So that means before that is the money and it's not necessarily all the money it's the money that's necessary to make the planning application credible and if you look at what other new stadiums have done particularly people like Tottenham and the like they didn't start building when you haven't actually got all the funds yet to finish the thing but you know you will have in time. So I mean I've said to somebody after I met with Mishiri that I thought early part of September we'd heard something and that was a balanced view what I didn't necessarily say is with a bit of a fallen wind it might have been during August but I'm not going to lose any sleep if it's the end of September or indeed it slips into October but as long as what we say is powerful and strong I think the club often says we don't want to say things until everything's finished and I was at the club this morning well forever in the community and one of the things I was saying to them is we just got to trust in the fan base really silence isn't always a good idea and somehow we have to get the fan base to understand if we show something and it turns out it's not going to be exactly like that then not saying anything because we fear the reaction it could actually be worse than dealing with it and this is where with organisations like Toffi TV and The Blue Room and the like and maybe even other business matters I suppose it can help the fan base to understand that projects at this scale are not going to come out exactly as we intend just like the legacy at Gooderson Park which is going to be tremendous won't be exactly like the architects impression that Denise showed in the AGM at the beginning of this year because it ain't going to come to fruition for three or four plus years so trust in the fan base give them some insight clearly we all want to see some images and finally as a board get a bloody grip in the sense of come to a final conclusion on what you think the capacity is going to be and if it's not what a load of fans wants have a good way of explaining why it is what it is so optimistic that we'll hear something really quite soon I don't know I suppose you'll come back mid September and say you've talked a load of shit but I'd hope in the next couple of weeks maybe and certainly if you think about when would you want to land news do you want an international break do it when people like Sky are desperate for content and the like and do it then to get maximum bang for your book in terms of the loan and stuff do you just looking at it as Everton business matter so to speak the three we don't all agree on everything this is one of those where fair enough but what in terms of where Everton get the loan from would you rather it be with the council or do you think for Everton's benefit it would be better getting it from somewhere else without being a party to what the alternatives are but what I am confident is that the people might assure you at the end of the day is the largest shareholder doesn't sit on the board that they'll do and what they need to do is what's best for the club now if it's marginal we talk about interest payments if it's a bit more expensive from the council that it would be from Santander or some Chinese investment bank or whatever it might be let's go with the council because the value to the city is worth it and I think that's what they'll end up doing they'll hit loads of people off the job which will be brilliant it should but it will especially after Amphil was knocked back for the plans for the year which will make it even more sweeter and the people who are observant what? it's true you don't have to put the little ships up for sale rent out the little tobacco warehouses will be amazing they'll love it they'll all get behind us then but one of the talks about the other side though one of the things which should give Evertonian some confidence is that for the first time in many a long year they start to do things like trying to get extended use of the stadium because the fear they know Bramleymore's going to happen and that's going to be the go-to then you in this city Peter Moore's already said he's quite happy that they're able to build the stadium whether he meant it or not whether he meant it or not he said the same thing I've said it when Liverpool play you see how many people are in the city and how many businesses come from outside and if you've got pride in your city you want to see your city do well that doesn't bother me and obviously they've had good success with the new stand but obviously they want to compete if that happens if the stadium happens if they know the stadium is going to happen they're going to have to start competing for those concerts and they need to start that now they've got four years I would say to head start and that's the point they want to try and establish we should talk about our stadium not theirs but they want to establish that theirs is the pop concert or the rock concert venue or whatever else you can do inside a stadium before we get there because there's no doubt that if you're some mega global star who wants to perform in the north west and you can't get into old Trafford or you can't get into a cricket ground or you actually want to do it in Liverpool then you're going to go to Bramleymore because it's going to look beautiful it's going to be great for the photographs it's going to be great for the videos but if you've been three years on the top so there's a second hand stadium then perhaps you think I'll go there because I know it so Morse isn't being stupid he can see the threat of the so-called challenger brand Ferguson Coins for Manchester and the noisy neighbours we're going to be really noisy and if we start getting on-field progress as well then we'll just reassert something that's been in place now for 140 plus years whatever it is we are the senior club in the city we're the only people who build new stadium we're the only people who enhance citizens' experiences regardless of who they support no it's what I mean you're right because it oh come again you're right though because at the end of the day Liverpool have been knocked back because of the area because it's a surrounding area it's a residential area and those people say they want a couple of months of peace whereas at Bramleymore you've got an unrestricted area no real community around until you get north to El Donim which is miles away from the stadium so people will look at that and that should be enough to get all these global superstars at the end of the day I wouldn't think they would be one bit arsed they get brought in a bus, put in a hotel the promoter will they the promoter will see what the the value of it and I'm sure that's what more they'll be doing next few years be whining and buying and all these big companies to time but he obviously can't do that at the moment so that's it's been a boat that's what we'll do but they can't bring them they've noticed that but that feels quite landlocked we can bring ours on boats you talk about the local community objecting which often they do around stadia don't they because we think we're okay in the summer because there's no football and then you come along and say you're going to have some band there or something but you also report yourself so extending their ground they didn't particularly fussed about the local community they were quite brutal they got what they wanted in the end which is a bigger stand where they can have loads more tourists and all that sort of stuff and yet you look at the way they're doing it with the goddess of legacy the people's place how we're going to engage with the local community what is it you need, what is it you want and all those sorts of things and sometimes you can say well I have to be soft a bit cuddly a bit and all that sort of stuff and you need to be a bit more business orientated a bit more brutal a bit more objective and the balance is somewhere in between but we're a hell of a lot closer from our community spirit type stuff in the community and things like that we're ever a lot closer and it's easier to make the journey from there to being business objective than it is to be hard-nosed chaser of money and come this way and Peter Moore can say what he wants and I'll just say it inevitably in Evertonia so I would say this wouldn't I but they've got a lot of work to do with the Liverpool Foundation it's called the LFC Foundation their version of everything in the community they've got a lot of work to do before people will generally accept that as being much more than a PR exercise and that alone is an acknowledgement that we dominate the city in those things all the things that the community does it doesn't do it for Evertonians it does it for citizens of this city our city and done correctly and that's why we get frustrated because we're not extracting full value from some of the things that we do we don't see it turning into commercial contracts we don't see it turning into projects happening as quickly as they should and so on but those boys next door they were making loads of noise because they're waiting for the Champions League to roll they should be concerned that this sleeping giant if we get anywhere near beyond half our potential they should be really worried because all those and Meshiri says at HM's we're not amusing and so on but when you're making really sharp decisions and when you're really doing the right things at the right time and extracting value then all those things which he was almost talking negatively about become strengths then that we have been here the longest we have built three new stadiums there's going to be three cathedrals in this city I've done me on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey that's the next one boys and girls three cathedrals in this city but one of them won't be for spare we're going to keep that on and they've never built a stadium so let's make sure that they're lovely little periods and you just have to look at what's happening in Man United don't you your day comes in the end and they should look and see to themselves what the hell is this city going to be like when the noisy neighbours suddenly become top dog kids three lines on your sheets 20 years of hate they're going to get 30 years of hate ram down their throats big style just off the back of that it's all business stuff don't cry do you think that saying all that do you think all the club might take the hard line in terms of the council because obviously we want to take the money off the council we want to invest back into the city but something you tweeted on before there's a lot of infighting in this council the liberals are having a go at at joe there's only a handful of them but they're trying to make as much noise for some reason the likes of the echo every time something's said they put it from page and make it noisy but then there's also the issue within the Labour Party as well at the moment and you're getting them at starting to ask questions which doesn't mean the club might just end up going we don't need all this extra all this extra noise we can get this money we don't need all this extra problems we can just get it and cut through all this even though we're offering to give you something back but it's getting thrown back at us and it's costing us time and time will cost us money and we just want to get on with it cos I can see that happening as well with the club just going I've tried my best to look at it from a community perspective but at some point I'm going to have to look at it from a business perspective they're both the same thing and I do always talk about writer left plans because clearly you build a plan or project plan but then you can look at it from the end game, i.e. the stadiums open the first games the pre-season game the last one that's traditionally at the home ground it'll be Real Madrid or Barcelona or whoever's top dog at the time a big name, maybe some American club who knows but you come back to that don't you you go right to left and you say well we've got to put a plan application and we expect it to take this long and then we need a thingy in the ground I was going to say a ped in the ground then ped in the ground, right? don't but by all means if I am but then there comes a decision point fill the dock first don't put me in the dock but then you come to a decision point you come to a decision point don't you which is really where your question is on that tipping point and that says can we do the deal with the council yes or no and it needs to be done by this date to enable these other things it's not a date like out of a jury's date well whatever Olivia and then you'd have to make a decision because you know and do it that way but there's intangible advantages of using the council's money isn't there because apart from the fact that it's good for the city but there'll be our partners therefore planning must be a bit easier wasn't it the infrastructure investment and so on and so forth but Joe of East has still the man who makes influences things will enable that anyway because he did it for their extension if you like he said he'll help them with their extended use and he's always said those sorts of things anything that's good for the city he'll put his shoulder behind but there must be a clock running somewhere that says we can't have another year delay we can't have another subliminal delay like we had in the last general meeting where all of a sudden we just casually say oh it's a year later now but we also have to have to course just look at what happened to Tottenham it's been 8-9 years at this but the issue is good at some park of course we've had other jokes from years gone by about safety certificates and such but we'll come to a point where the maintenance cost of this thing probably outweigh the interest payments on the loan so that hard-nosed financial decision is and again fans can almost think it's not if we move it's just when and the when gets closer every day because 5-6 years down the line we cannot afford to be here so you could almost say that's a long stop that we have to be in I don't know when we can't do the sums ahead it'd be 23-24 or something wouldn't it or maybe 24-25 but they're real long stops so why not go for the 22-23 I don't know if you'll know this what's Steve Rotherham's position on this because he seems to be I don't know what he does for the start he's a metro mayor but I don't understand what he does it's never really been explained I know he gets the big pot of money from the government and then starts well it's devolved government stuff so there's certain things that fall within the remit isn't it of the metro mayor's transports one for example things like that I don't know if this sort of thing falls within the remit because it would be nice to hear from him because you know what if he spoke about it and he is openly a Liverpool fan and that's fine you know it would be nice to almost get his just his little interview going on I'm fully back Everton doing this it's great for the city I'm fully behind this if they want to get the loan money because then suddenly you haven't got Blue Joe helping Everton out you've got Steve Rotherham who fought tirelessly for Hillsborough for the 96 Big Liverpool playing season ticker or whatever next you've got James suddenly giving you the weight behind it and I think that would be a real a real shot in the arm for the stadium well it was and we back in I don't know when it was now it was sitting in the last two or three months business matters we spoke to Joe Anderson and Steve Astaff and stuff like that and said we almost wanted to do and we play host I suppose and Roger would be Dimbleby but almost like a question time and so you could have on the desk or on the table you know the man at one end who's true but maybe to you say you know I don't care it's good for Everton so I'm in and then the red at the other end I don't care if it's forever I'm not in the politicians in between one being and Everton has it turns out Joe and one being a red as it turns out rather and they could have you know reason debate about it and then someone could ask it that question you know and clearly the killer question is do you think this is good for the city yes or no no wriggle room there is that now he's probably say well you have to ask Joe because it's his city okay is it good for the region but we voted him in we voted him in as a veteran man no we voted him in so we voted him in and yet he's always really quiet on this maybe it's just I don't know and I'd have to check it and I will know surely a deal and I'm not some of the loan I'm some of the actual stadium the loan is nothing to me it doesn't make any difference because it's not coming from the council it's not coming from the council it's coming from the government if I was a if I was a let's say from a world heritage site I was someone who wasn't interested in football and I looked at it purely from a world heritage site I'd be saying I'd want to know how this benefits the city so I'd want not to do it with world heritage but that's another thing that's been thrown in into the mix hasn't it that's been thrown into the mix sorry you mean the good of the city because the implication it might be taken so forget about the moment I'd want to know from Steve Rotherham as my elected metro mayor benefit the city because we still haven't heard that how does a huge project like this that is going to be the catalyst for the 10 streets developments how does that how does that help the city I want to know because you're my metro mayor why isn't that being asked I don't understand it's Joe Joe Joe Joe Joe but you're the metro mayor you're in control of the bigger picture Joe logically doesn't work for Steve so it could simply be that is within the remit of the elected mayor and the metro mayor doesn't get involved in that sort of stuff it's the way it's the way of his opinion now wouldn't it because like I said he's a red so he turned around as well and said we know what the Lib Dem man's opinion is Joe's doing it I don't like it that's more of the case isn't it I just think you know when having worked in local government and seeing the cuts every year and every year and it gets letting you having to save more money and more money and seeing the implications on the public and seeing the implications on children and families within this city and there's less money for them and food banks and cloud banks and everything if something can generate this city £7 million a year up between £4 million and £7 million it's not even an issue that needs discussion it's just what is it, £7 million because we haven't got money and every year it's getting cut it needs to be careful though because a couple of things happen don't it if you're a challenger in cabinet okay £7 million that's good proves to be we couldn't get more from someone else because you know the money comes from central government there's limits on how much they can borrow and use and all those sorts of things and you know brand new more will take a big chunk of it and therefore you can't prove a negative can you and someone might say are we going to regret this down the loan we give because that's what people will say we give ever and £280 million and get £7 million back for it and then someone pops up two years later and say oh you're giving that to me I'll give you £14 million then it looks like a crap deal can that £14 million the amount of people we're going to put within that region well that's the point isn't it and that's why you have to spend you have to do and this is all in business cases type stuff isn't it and hopefully with the degree of transparency like local government we might see some of this as and when it goes to cabinet and stuff but you've got the direct benefits which are really objective like we will get £7 million then you've got the indirect ones and that's why Joe's been playing a long game around what the benefits are they're about bookending the regeneration about that whole part does it increase it if stadium gets announced and it's definitely going to get built does that increase the likelihood of stuff happening between this end and that end yes or no yes does that therefore mean business rates and will go up yes or no yes now you'll always have the naysayer will say oh well that's going to happen anyway is it no one wants to be at the end of a line and we're offering to be at the end of a line and fill the gap it that's what I'm saying it's the other stuff as well it's the roads that are all getting done because of that it's the trains it's the cruise terminals going to be within the distance there's that other side of it like you've just said at the moment you've got the Titanic Hotel and then you've got town and there's nothing in between and it makes it a very very long it feels like a long you remember when the Albert Doch right you had the Albert Doch right and then you had Chivas Park and now you've got Chivas Park and you've got the Motos and now it feels right there and you see the tourist just crossing the road and everything feels connected at the moment that's in the town and it's a little bit with the Baltic as well this needs to happen with the Baltic you need to fill the gaps so that it doesn't feel a million miles away it's a rolling city on the water when we go up and do stuff by Bramley More and when we've been to the wind farm and things like that it's not a name it wouldn't open a shop you wouldn't even open a small hotel you wouldn't even open a small hotel it's not that pub style that's because all the drivers the hotels there because it's a luxury hotel and people don't mind and they don't mind getting a taxi from there to town but if you can have smaller hotels and then business will open off the back of that gestars and stuff however that may be oh I know I'm just saying for people what but if you're just looking at it as a template of like what benefit is this like you just said we'll go at the end we'll be where you finish and then we'll fill that in and you know what from there to there it'll look amazing and then at the end you've got to stay there that's where the streets come in go back from the river it's the whole area so anyone the way I look at it anyone objecting is just bitter and they don't want anything and if it was Liverpool you'd be getting talked down to as against your city are you, you're against this you're against that blabla because it's everything, the problem is they've had their own way too long in this city of course what we have now of course is 100 days into the new board and I know Paul would say it's not a new board because they've all been around but it's a new structure and therefore that's long enough so you know we've got a full time guy who you know parents employ the football club Keith Harris he lives up north now he's the man accountable, he's got Colin Sean as his project guy I guess and therefore they need to tell us some stuff and I think they will and that needs to play into all the things we've just been talking about around key messages and it's not just about what's going to be good down on the river it's going to be what's good at L4 most of private bloody place in the other country and all those sorts of things because if this really goes what happens to my chip shop what happens to the shops what happens to the courts and all that has to happen as well so it's glib and it's easy to say it's a complex project but that's not an excuse not to have a critical path that says here's the key milestones or what's going to happen and that stayed in whatever the date is in August 22 22 it's going to be there and we're all going to be really proud and in between now and then we have a big angst about the capacity wasn't big enough it was too small it's too big some might think we're never going to fill it whatever whatever whatever we'll forget all that when we're in there and it's full and people can't get tickets if the capacity is too low or whatever or we're making loads and loads of money because the capacity is just right so it's exciting times and I just think Keith Harris probably chivit along I suppose by Denise will say something or the club will say something really quite soon what do you view on Ushmanov? I would say never say never I think again we haven't done an EBM for a while because Pulse overseas and technology makes it all a bit ywch chi and you can only say the Russia he's not he's talking to Alicia North America you can only do same things so often and we've just been doing it now for 5-10 minutes haven't we? you've just easily tripped out all the positives for the city and then you summarise it as well if those naysayers don't get it that loss causes because they don't want truth the truth about Ushmanov is interesting isn't it? if we were doing an EBM you'd have Roger saying damn right he's coming you'd have Paul no he's not he'd have Roger accusing me of sitting on the fence because I'll go whichever way looks most likely but I would say never say never about that because we did EBM ages ago and we were happily in concerts as a threesome that he's never going to bail out of Arsenal so it's a nothing conversation so while time kills deals circumstances change opinions as well and whilst he said publicly he'll help his friend for it he's also saying that that is an investment so he doesn't want to, I don't think today, want to suddenly pop up and appear on the board he doesn't appear on his own board does he because he chairs that but I wouldn't at all surprise me if he invested a significant chunk of money and I certainly know from when I met with Farhad, Farhad personally has prepared to piling a load more money himself as well for the stadium I mean not just generally the way I've always thought he'll come on board always just buy different things Is that because you want it to be? No, no, no, well I do want of course but I just think it makes no sense for him not to, I mean what's happened that's changed and this is the reason why I really think it's going to happen now I don't expect him to have sold his shares and come on and go on to EBM because that's not what he does but I just think he's a football he's into his football, he's coming off and he's also very very he wants it he wants to prove something in England and he hasn't been able to do it at Arsenal and he doesn't like big stand so I just think the chances of that happening now have gone up again because I think it's a bit of bully isn't it just look at what you could have done Exactly, right and that's why because I think he's going to come puff the chest out and go bang, let's go after you and this is what you could have had because that's what they wanted to do with Arsenal if you even re-backed at the Red and White Holdings the open letter this is what we want to do buy the best place, pay the top money build this stadium, blah blah blah they were never allowed to do it I think one thing we could talk about Osmond being if anything did happen there and your source is saying when not if, I'm still saying if if if you like is it would be icing on a cake because one thing that me and Paul do agree with is that Meshiri has got the resources to do it himself so it's not like oh my god we need to get this guy on board all things are not going to happen if you've got a few billionaires the problem is that I I don't think he will and the reason I don't I'm on the fence and if the reason I don't think he will am I in the middle the reason I don't think he will is for the sake of Evan I think he's better on the outside because then he in effect he becomes like what Etihad is the city that he can circumvent FFP Palestine and Germany the same thing they can circumvent FFP by having an outside source that says oh we've just give you the stadium rights and we've just put the sponsor on your kit and we've just give you this and we've give you that I don't own any shares mate etihad clearly the family etihad are owned by the same people who own Manchester city by keeping it separate that allows them to put it on the shares allows the stadium to be owned because it doesn't matter if we've got billions of billions of pounds we can't spend billions of billions of pounds not at the moment we'll never be able to because FFP won't change the life of the way it is now nobody income that takes years and years Manchester city are finding it now it's not an easy step it's not an easy but look at Manchester city compared to what we can pay compared to what we can if they've laid anything from that why not just keep yourself separate and then you can go the new stadium is the new you know whatever there you go it's the telefon stadium it's this, it's that, the kit is sponsored by don't need sports page we can have one of his companies like Finch Farm the money we're getting for Finch Farm it's not but it's a nice way to get around FFP so I can see him coming in like that well it's interesting if people do a little bit of research like you say go and find the letter and all those sorts of things but instead of thinking is he going to come or not ask yourself a very simple question and I think everyone who watches this will come up with the same answer really after 20 years of working together do you think these guys are not talking about Everton right now were they talking about Everton yesterday will they be talking about Everton tomorrow and they'll be in alignment one day where those men are thinking that's quite good for me I'll do that or as he said publicly my mate's asked for some help, some are helping and you're right as hard-nosed business people they'll say how can we maximise the outcome of whatever help I provide now doing a right issue and I end up with £100 million worth of shares and therefore Everton can use that money for whatever they want it's clearly one way of doing it but if I do it in a different way it gives more flexibility going down the line and I think it's also and Paul does talk about would it be disrespectful in the sense of you know bringing those money off in if you like the bigger billion out of you will does that give far had does he miss his chance to prove or could have done this or could have been a contender so it's all about enablement at the end of the day and the rank and file fan doesn't really care does it no I also think they don't care I think a clear indication of that as well is that Cosmoshery's not on the board the Everton board I think that's saying I can I run the club but I don't need to be on the board and I think that's almost like using off as well I don't need to have my hands I don't need to have my fingers on anything but I can still be a big part of this club I suspect you know he's been a big part in the past already because you know people won't talk of them because they're not necessarily the nicest billionaires I mean there's billionaires in our past who would help board members with advice and guidance but because they're not the sort of billionaires you'd like to be associated with then it becomes a half empty type why are we listening to him why are people going to see him on the other side people almost decide and us despite whatever the background might be is a nice billionaire uncle, uncle, I understand we're cuddly uncle we're prepared to listen to that and it would just be crazy after all these years Farhad and Elisha were not talking to each other reasonably regularly and you could just imagine Twitter going into meltdown if he ever appears in the directors box of Everton just to watch a game I think Farhad should invite him just for the sport you know, come and sit next to me and Bill and see what happens no, what I could see is when off even buying another club like a smaller club that's what Lester have done Lester have bought a team in Belgium and they've farmed players through them they've got George Haist in them from Sheffield and outshake and venting I could imagine doing things like that just all comes back to Everton but anything that helps now anything that gets you round whatever law you need to get around these are billionaires, these have been doing these kind of things for years bottom line is on the fields looking promising we need to hear some messaging around the stadium just for those people who are feeling a bit nervous we have heard anything and if you think about it in a very objective way the last thing we heard formally was the previous chief exec saying we're going to submit a plan application this year and the next general meeting is due in this calendar year it will probably again like the last couple being early January so again, the new board and the larger shareholder they know they're going to be a shareholders meeting you don't want to go to that shareholders meeting not having said anything no and you might even argue if you are going to say something and maybe it's not going to be everyone gets their dream view of the world then you want to gap between setting it at the general meeting but there's a good feel feel good thing going on at the moment because we can build upon that and I'd be personally disappointed if we don't hear anything before the international window because it means we've lost our bottle a little bit again and we've been here before back in March when we expected and then backed away from it at the last minute worried about what the reaction might be which is why winning on Saturday is important so everyone's in a positive receptive mode to whatever's going to come what are you expecting to hear though give an update around where they are with the financing because it's a nothing announcement without it if you can't finalise that you've got to say something if you can't be definitive about that you have to provide something else instead and that means images I guess and minimally I'd like to see just to kill the rumour mill type stuff to say the last thing we told you was this stadium was going to be up and running and ready to use and all that good stuff for season 22-23 that's still the case and that alone would be some good news wouldn't it I think they and I think they will do that anyway I think the Commonwealth Games really sort of threw their span in the way it was the thing that was the thing that was propelling it was and that was keeping it in the news all the time and as soon as oh sorry as soon as we lost that to a very very average city somewhere in the middle of the country it just disappeared but let me just change we've got chalk and cheese, don't forget between the chief execs I said it previously didn't he spoke to the media including the national, the local whatever more in those first 90 days than bloody Elston probably did in 90 months if he was here that long so that's important but a bit like toffee tv or having business matters or the blue room or whatever you can't keep saying the same thing over and over again so the next time whether it's Denise or the chairman or the club say something it has to be new it can be something of note but new we're only joking we're saying it good let's just finish off by talking about something that she did say and it was a positive the new headquarters we were there last week we got a little look we went to see the new kids you've got a unique presentation of a strip didn't you exclusive some may say what's exclusive an advance it was exclusive you could have called it it was great don't try and brag because obviously we've got to see it you've got to see it, I mean it does it does make you think things are definitely going in the right direction it's awesome I challenge anybody to go into the particularly when you come out of the elevators and see a large reception that's cool isn't it and then if you walk I felt like Tom Hansen big full of the piano all the toys but you know it's a classic no expense spirit type thing and lots of people in there must have a really good feel factor feel good factor of working in that building as a starter but then actually the 7th floor itself is so tremendous but again the hard-nosed businessman would say you all feel good about it let's see the productivity go up let's see the outcome go up let's see us get better deals because you're all happy now working in this wonderful environment and the like and use it as well you know I had a brief chat can't remember when it was with Denise about it and you know they've got plans that down the line people will be able to get ready access to it perhaps go and use it occasionally and stuff like that and certainly about the old blue nose thing we're having part of the book launch there but it's just tremendous and people can wangle away in there they should because if you know anyone who works there get them to get you in cake's nice the cake was nice that was a real good part of just being the only people there we've got all the cake we've got three pieces of cake were you any part? it was just loads of cake the coffee was nice I met with no one so he brought a cup cake for me in a box I think it's sponsored by somebody and I left it never leave cake it's incredible when you're up there you do look and just go keep looking for windows to look out of you can see you can see family more as well imagine it just coming you can't see the Lego building that's the best you can see the good stuff but you can't see the other stuff there you go what a way to finish Lego anyway big thanks to John for coming in from the Ever Business Matters podcast you can hear them now and again on there mid September there'll be back plenty to say there we'll hopefully have some news then and you can talk all about it make sure to check out the podcast and show John we'll be back in soon to give us an update on anything that's going on we'll see you there see you later