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Uh, and I'll just go ahead and start your life. Okay. Got it. Okay. And I'm going to go ahead and Well, I mean it's it's like so we'll just go ahead and record it as well. Um, so just to kick things off, uh, I need to just for anybody who's new to the call for the first time. Um, uh, we have an anti-trust policy. So please, please, realize yourself with that. Um, also, uh, we abide by the hyperledger code of conduct. Um, really excited about this meeting today. I've been able to bring together, um, some, some different, um, members of the SIG and friends of the SIG, um, who were at COP 27. It was a really great experience of my first COP. Um, and I think that the focus of this meeting is to really kind of bring together a meeting of the minds, uh, to, to kind of allow everybody who was able to attend, um, to kind of share their thoughts, uh, value that they see in COP 27, uh, or just COP in general, um, to kind of help impart that value to some of the different members of the SIG who might not have been able to attend. Um, I found COP to be, uh, an incredibly valuable experience. And I think it is a, uh, a real opportunity for open source and distributed ledger technology in general around this climate, the climate challenge. Um, and so I wanted to provide this opportunity to house a speaker panel, um, to, to kind of help everybody understand the potential value for the different work that they're doing. Um, and, um, and, and kind of, you know, give a kind of bird's-eye view and insider's view. Um, so what, the way I'm going to kick this off from the way I'm going to organize this is kind of get everybody, uh, a chance to share a little bit about who they are, what they're working on, um, and, um, what they wanted to accomplish for the COP and, and how that worked out, right. Very, very kind of, hopefully not too long-winded through minutes at each. Um, and then I wanted to give all the, all the people on the panel kind of a heads up of three questions that, that I want to ask you so you can think about it a little bit. Um, the first is, because this is, we're talking about open source, we're talking about distributed ledger technology. Um, what is the greatest opportunity for, for DLT and open source around this, this climate challenge? Uh, so that's question one. The second question I'd like to hear from everybody is the perception of DLT and potentially the challenges, uh, that, that it faces. Um, and, and hear thoughts on kind of what needs to be done to overcome that. Um, and then last, if we have time, what I'd really like to do is hear, um, uh, your thoughts around the role that the Linux foundation or hyper ledger should play or could play. Um, where you see it fitting in, we should be thinking about within the SIG, um, is, is we try to find and provide value to, to, um, you know, develop solutions to solve this climate challenge. Um, see a couple chats there. I'm going to try to monitor this as well. Um, so, um, well, I guess I'll kick this off, uh, by just allowing some of the different, uh, people there there just to kind of raise their hand. And then what I'd like to do as we go through this is just to hear a little bit about, again, who you are, um, what your goal was, uh, going to cop in, um, with your organization and, uh, and kind of how you accomplished that, uh, in, in the value that cop played to kick things off. Um, so did anybody want to raise their hand and go first? I'm going to have to plug in my machine before it runs out of juice. Robin, you, maybe you would you like to kick things off? Yeah, uh, that's one question in the chat from Chris. He's asking if you can put the questions in the chat. So it's easier to, um, follow them. Um, the first question was the, uh, a general experience or wasn't the intention that I had when I turned it over to you. Uh, we just, uh, just kind of talking about, what did you say? I'm sorry, Robin. Um, I was asking like the first question. I'm happy to start with that. Just for a quick introduction for, for everybody to share, uh, just, you know, the work that they're doing that brought them the cop. Um, and, um, and what you wanted to accomplish and, and how you accomplished it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what brought me to cop? It's hyperlature and our special interest group and we applied a year ago and, um, the reason I attended was firstly to get an impression like what is going on at the global stage. It's such a big stage for climate change. What is the mood there? What people attend the conference and just to get a feeling about what is the spirit and to learn how we can use open source technologies as a coordination tool to take a climate change together and how hyperlature and product, the Linux foundation could fit in into this ecosystem as a facilitator to bring different stakeholders together and develop the shared software that we need to, um, for example, um, account for carbon emissions or what is needed in a carbon trading space. How can we coordinate all the digital monitoring reporting verification system? And so that's what I went there for. Um, I mean, the outcomes of this cop personally disappointed me. Um, just doesn't really feel like progress or just feels like we, like there's no chance for us to reach our 1.5 degree Celsius targets, but at the same time in the Paris agreement, there is many, um, articles about like bottom up approaches and to everyone I talked to at talk and everyone I met, everyone is skilled, is motivated, dedicated, and it's, it helped me to find some faith in the people to really, um, address climate change together. And, um, what I haven't figured out is how to do this together with governments. Um, it feels like the work we're doing on the ground is not so much aligned with them at the moment. Um, maybe larger entities like the Linux foundation can have coordinate there. I don't know, to be honest. Um, um, but yeah, it's climate change is also an opportunity. It's not everything is bad. And, um, it's many challenges and solving challenges and, um, jumping on the opportunities is fun as well. Um, yeah, this is basically my impression. Um, she would have not seen if you put the question somewhere. Um, but I'm happy to um, pass the stick to, um, I see Chris. Yeah, let's uh, let's have each person go through the introduction first and I'll post in the questions right now. Hey, Chris, do you want to go ahead? Um, yeah, that should work for me. Okay. I'm assuming this is Chris Adams you're referring to, not another Chris on the call because there's quite a few people on the call, right? That's right. I was referring to Chris. Excellent Christian Paul. I'm sorry. Okay, good. All right. So, um, my name is Chris Adams from the green software foundation. Uh, I work at the policy working group there. Um, the green software foundation has a goal to basically change how we build software. So there is zero harmful environmental effects and there's like direct impact from the actual creation of software and it's in its own right. But that wasn't primarily the main reason we were looking to go. Yes, we wanted to understand how people essentially build and create standards or see what the, see how the sausage gets made at COP because this is my first experience, uh, engaging with COP as well actually. But the main thing that we were actually look, one of the main outcomes we were actually looking for was actually a chance to see some of the other Linux foundation or related members to see what they're using and to get a better understanding of their theory of change to see where we have, uh, complementary aspects of what we're doing basically. That was one of the key things. So I actually found, um, the outcomes from COP in terms of actually access and understanding how things, how various like machinations of the process, I found some of them quite useful. So the idea there being something called a kind of global talk stock take that's, that is currently halfway through, I've realized that one of the key things that may be irrelevant for this group is that this is the first year that all the people who are creating benchmarks and various kinds of climate action tracking tools have basically started to say, this is the first time we've actually had meaningful, helpful data. So we can at least see how far off track we are. Like there's been this kind of generic sense of dread that's been around for ages, but one of the key things from the people who have been creating this stuff was, wow, actually we're seeing some of this data now. We are getting an idea of what the investment gaps look like on a kind of sector by sector basis. And we are seeing changes at a kind of regulatory level, which basically make it easier to see a scenario where at the next COP, you could plausibly say, okay, we're off target, but with this much off target, and this is the required investment, or these are the actual things that are necessary to create the transparency so that we can shift our glide path from being wildly off to something more like 1.5 versus science spells out. There was actually some useful stuff that that did come out of COP at this level, which was things like generally a kind of surprisingly renewed consensus I saw around people talking about 1.5, whether they actually commit to that as another matter, but it very much, I was I was half expecting people to be playing down 1.5 based on the discussions I've been hearing previous to the event, but that was very, very much front and centre all the way through the event. And even groups like the ISO have basically come out and said, if you have a corporate net zero target, and it's not halving your emissions by 2030, as is described by the science for 1.5, it's not really credible. So I really feel that there was quite an interesting data driven push for that, that we could plausibly capitalize on. I think that's one of the things that I found quite useful. And that's probably the biggest thing I would share with you, or with this is the group, because they there was this kind of renewed interest in the fact that, yeah, you can track this. And a lot of the problems related to understanding the environmental impact of organizations are very much like supply chain problems and things like that, which I think some of the work that is being described here really plays well into. There's some stuff about carbon markets, which I'd be honest, I really struggled to understand. I'd be really interested if anyone made sense of that. But it did seem that there was some work there, but it did feel like there are quite a few holes in that part. And maybe that's another place where it would be plausible to propose something to close up some of the massive gaps that were being put forward at the kind of article six of the decisions that were being made there. And I think that's me actually for now. I'm happy to kind of give the space to other people because there's a few others who are there as well. Yeah, thank you, Chris. That was really well said, really good points. I also struggled to understand carbon markets. But I hope to learn that. Christian, do you want to go next? Yes, thanks, Sherwood. Yeah, so my name is Chris Ampau. I work for the NERVA Institute in South Africa. We are an independent not-for-profit focusing on quality of life in low-income households in Southern Africa. So the reason why I went was because of our involvement in developing digital methodologies for cook stove projects. And within the Edera ecosystem. So that was, within that context that I went. I wanted to meet other people that are doing the same kind of work and that are doing related kind of work. And I wanted to link up with them with the aim of doing projects, of learning. And I think in that sense, it worked out really well. I made a few new contacts of people I didn't know before and also got a sense of how rapidly things are developing. I attended the Edera Day. We're within that ecosystem. There were a lot of people together and that I was struck by the momentum that there was on different aspects in low-less, let's say on the project level, in the space where we operate, but also in terms of markets and financial instruments and other things. So that was interesting to me. I think the one thing that I picked up in general is that there is a broadening of the scope as time progresses. In the beginning, there was just talk about climate change mitigation. And then at some point, the realization that, but you know what, we have to adapt as well. Part of this is a done deal and we have to adapt. And so adaptation came into the focus. And then, recently now, the whole thing of loss and damage, then there's this thing that, I mean, this is to such an extent a done deal that some people are going to get it really badly. And we have to find mechanisms to compensate for that. So what's interesting for me, just observing the whole process is that broadening of not only mitigation adaptation, and then really to almost the disaster management aspects. And the requirement that we account for those other outcomes, let's say the traditional core human concerns, poverty, hunger, employment, human rights, that we do not lose focus on these things, but incorporate that into a way into which we account for the consequences of our actions in a consistent way. And that is where I think I was encouraged by the fact that at the SIG, we are at the standards working group. And in general, we are thinking about those things and looking at those things. I did have the impression that what is required is an effort that is, I mean, that is orders of magnitude larger than what we are currently doing. And the other question is, maybe you also experienced that in the blue zone, how do you rise above the noise? Everybody is doing something and has an idea of what everybody must do to make this better. But maybe not the question is, how do you rise above the noise? How do you sing along in a certain sense that this thing becomes a chorus and not just a series of disjointed voices? We want to say the same thing, but do that in a slightly different way. So what is that mechanism of public consensus seeking coordination? That's a question that I have. Thank you, Christian. Just moving things along, I guess I'll go to Miro. Would you like to go next and share a little bit about your work? Hi, everyone. Thanks for the opportunity. Happy to contribute my thoughts. So I'm Miro Poitz with IAI Glotcher. It's a civil society organization accredited to the UNFCCC. And my organization is also a founding member of the Climate Chain Coalition, which is the leading network in the field of blockchain for climate co-founded by the UN Climate Change Secretariat. And so my expectations and role at the COP 27 has been that we, of course, the conviction that blockchain technology can be a game changer. It can enable the climate action coordination and incentivization in unprecedented dimensions. But there's a disconnect between the UNFCCC process, which is a meeting formally of diplomats and national government representatives with these non-profit world representatives, observed organizations, but formerly the private sector and many of the digital innovation solution providers are private sector. They have formally no access to the process and as this COP is the biggest coming together of those working on tackling the climate crisis, it's important that we open up entry points, build bridges between the communities. And this we have done with the Digital Innovation Pavilion, Digital Innovation and Digital Art for Climate Pavilion, with the Climate Chain Coalition as one of the co-hosts. And we've had support from Unique Network, NFT Platform, Carbon Market Exchange and H-Bar Foundation. And we've had also several solution providers from the Hedera ecosystem was really enriching and we've had sessions about the power of open source and digital public goods. Sherwood, you have been there with Chris. Chris was involved in one of the meetings that we had around the creative community and how climate kick can be always a partner for future rounds of the pavilion. So for me it was a proof of concept and it was a learning exercise as we primarily target COP 28 as the big place where digital innovation for climate could be one of the most important topics of the presidency and also with a much stronger presence of the digital innovation community, blockchain community. And I'm very happy, very satisfied how things went. We have already several partners lined up for COP 28. We are speaking with UAE authorities to have other activities in the green zone and the blue zone, somehow building bridges and linkages between the world of those who have accreditation and those who don't have the accreditation because and also virtual participation of course is also a key component that we have lower environmental footprint at an inclusive UNFCCC process. And I'm happy that we have been able to deliver a little bit of leadership and opportunities and implemented innovation. So I'm quite happy how things went. I see of course the shortcomings of the national government's based conference and process and outcomes. It's absolutely unsatisfactory. It's in my understanding the whole principle of global community coordinating on this big global change, climate change with nation-based structures, systems failure, design failure. National governments are not able to deliver on global challenges, responses, but blockchain technology, DLT can enable social innovation, global public sector innovation and that's what we are here for, to help generate, help evolve in the spaces that we co-create. Absolutely, well said. And I'm just going down the lift here. I want to hear from Sanchin. Hey everybody, it was really fantastic to meet everybody in real life, I do have to say. So in terms of my background, I am obviously in play in the intersection of blockchain and sustainability, right? And so my company is RecycleGo. That is company number two. My primary company is United Meta Recycling, which I've been a recycler for 22 years for those who don't know me. And six years ago, I got into the software development slash blockchain space by trying to really think about recycling and how we can apply blockchain to help people recycle better, providing that transparent chain of custody for materials to add values to recyclables. Over the years, RecycleGo has gone from logistics solution, logistics optimization, supply chain optimization, and now we've really developed a carbon accounting platform as well to track the carbon impact of what we're putting through the recycling supply chain. So we were, you know, I didn't realize this as I got into the software development basically journey that it never stops. So software development is just like, you know, okay, so what else can we add? But I'm very heavily involved in recycling, especially when it comes to plastics, plastics recycling, and part of the conversations on that. And so Oceanic Global, I'm a member of that in terms of blockchain. You know, I work with the HBAR Foundation like with, you know, we're part of the working group as part of the Global Blockchain Business Council. We put out the voluntary ecological markets like a white paper that was published in version two was published in September, where right now working on the carbon emissions token taxonomy and standards that that hopefully this latest version will be ready in time for Davos. So we're trying to set the standards and everything like that. My goal in terms of my takeaway from COP, I actually like, you know, to Chris's point, there's a lot of data now that's being generated when it comes to climate. And where does blockchain fit into that? I always ask myself that question, right? You know, how is blockchain or actually more specifically, how is that shared ledger going to be leveraged to get us closer to our climate goals, right? And that's the question that we do need to ask. I like, I tell a lot of people like that have blockchain solutions, like, you know, if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. And blockchain really isn't appropriate.  Whenever you're trying to build a solution. And I think that's a trap that a lot of developers fall into. But I do think like when it comes to DLT, like, we have an opportunity for when it comes to carbon markets, to really use blockchain as our digital MRVs is the monitoring, reporting and verification to accelerate that cycle to release, especially in the context of COP 27. How do we get financing? How do we get climate financing accelerated from the purse strings, right? Whether it's from corporations or from like, you know, the, the, the nations or whatever funds are available. How do we tap those to accelerate solutions to, to actually accelerate financing to the solutions to need that? Whether it's from like, you know, there was a lot of talk about regenerative agriculture this time around. And, you know, I see blockchain as definitely a solution to use as a digital MRV system to unlock financing for those kinds of solutions.  And we're, we're going to go through a project development cycle to use blockchain as a digital MRV system to unlock that kind of climate financing, because plastics pollution is a huge problem all around the world, especially in developing nations, which is basically the focus of these climate change talks. So, you know, my goal for COP was to obviously this is, this was my first COP. I wanted to see what was out there, see what the conversation was around, also to find like, you know, project partners and financial partners. So, as a startup, I think I, along with everybody else, so we're always looking for financing, right. But that's what, you know, I think we, we did, had a lot of good meetings during COP. Obviously, it's following up. I think for COP, I do think that there wasn't a lot of progress. I agree with everybody. Like, you know, I don't think there was a lot of progress at all. And great, we have a loss and damage fund, like being established. There was no talk about how much there was no talk about like, you know, how is it going to get financed and how it's going to be deployed. And I mean, I do think we're, it's a step in the right direction, but if like the Marshall Islands are going to be underwater, it doesn't matter how much money you're throwing at this for loss and damage. So, I think like there was a lot of language that was diluted that doesn't get as closer to our 1.5 degrees Celsius, like targets. But we will see what happens. Can blockchain be used as a solution to leverage? I do think like, you know, we have to focus on, there was the global methane pledge, which I think is fantastic.  I think like, you know, this is a great use case to see if we can look like, you know, use blockchain as a way to really measure and account for and hopefully lower our methane emissions, like, you know, and hopefully we can, you know, if I can be helpful in terms of doing that. And I would love to be able to assist on that. I'm actually speaking FYI, like, you know, I am speaking at the chemical recycling conference in Houston in March, using blockchain to really measure and account for the carbon savings for chemical recycling from like, obviously, like it's a big talk, especially when it comes to plastics, chemical recycling as a way to get virgin quality polymers from contaminated plastics. And now it's like, there are obviously a lot of environmental groups that accuse these parties of greenwashing. But if we can show the carbon savings through blockchain, then I think we can move the conversation forward. But Sherwood, obviously, I'm going to be speaking to the right parties when it comes to the petrochemical companies. So let's definitely link up on the methane and how to like deploy that. But enough of my rambling, I apologize for that. But that's that was my take. And, you know, happy to share more. Absolutely. And I will definitely take you up on that. Thank you, Stan. Yeah. Really, really good. These have all been really good input and feedback. And this has been really useful for me because I'm hearing different perspectives that some of them I hadn't considered, some of them I haven't been able to make the table, so that this is what I'm really hoping for. Amir, would you like to share a little bit about yourself, your work and kind of your focus at COP and how things fanned out? Yeah. So first, hi, everyone. My name is Amir Gurgis. And I'm starting a company called CarbonEVac. I'm trying to build a digital, new carbon and nature band for Africa, how to look at a financial entity that has the expertise, the tools to deploy for the SMEs and the local communities in Africa main day and the global south in general, if we would put it. And my aim for the COP was first, that was my first COP. I want what we're building this for the climate and nature. And I wanted to know what's happening when people, this is the event where everyone talks about how we as humanity are going to make sure that that is not going to happen. So I wanted to understand what's happening there. That's one thing. I also wanted to understand the, or to get a sense on the global south point of view of things. Because personally, I see from my exposure, there are a lot of work happening in Europe, in the States, about what we can do and even in blockchain and DLT and other technologies and AI, but how can we bridge that gap to what's happening in real life in Africa? So that was another point I wanted to see. Third point is I actually wanted to see you guys. Unfortunately, I was only able to see Sherwood and Robin because when we gathered, I got sick while lost. So that was a fail goal. And yeah, so I think that's question one, question two. On my experience, the greatest opportunity for DLT and open source climate challenges. Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. I was going to open that up and people have been mixing that up a little bit, but I was basically just trying to do the intro first and then kind of move into that to kind of break it up and create more of a conversation. So very quick. Well, let me ask, is there anybody else from the climate? I think some people might be attending. If there's anybody else and I'm missing on the call. I didn't see anybody, but I want to make sure. Okay. Right. So when I went to COP, I was kind of in my head representing three different interests, the interest of the supply chain work and the, particularly the methane emissions reduction pilot really all focused around scope three being able to use blockchain to kind of track the emissions rates and then emissions profile and unlock the kind of government finance, the green finance, government regulation, consumer demand, which can decarbonize supply chains. It's a kind of high level mission. So trying to find people to partner with people to prototype with and I did have success there. But obviously, and mentioned, we could definitely use some help. So if anybody has any connections in with regards to the global methane pledge or any players in that space, we'd love an introduction. We have a team of developers that are working really hard. We have won the hyperledger challenge and we also won the IBM call for call for code challenge. So a lot of momentum. But right now we need to move to develop pilot. We need to develop a use case. I think this is a particular interest too, because as I will share, I think what what DLT and what open source really needs right now in the climate space more of is use cases and successful pilot to overcome some of the perceptions and misconceptions that are out there. The second organization that I was representing was climate action SIG building awareness, wanting to kind of bring more expertise to the SIG. I have a lot of people that I've connected with and so I'm going to be reaching out to them. I'm going to be inviting them to join the SIG. I'll be inviting them to kind of come speak with the SIG. I've met a bunch of different subject matter experts that I think that we're going to be set up to have a really strong year next year. Using the SIG is kind of the center of gravity for expertise sharing in all the different areas standards, technology, open source, what kind of sort of different pilots are going on to really kind of help people understand kind of the the the status or the state of this kind of larger problem we're trying to solve. And the third organization I was representing was hybrid. I came across a lot of different organizations that were working on different aspects of the problem. They were always very receptive to talking about some of the different ways that they could participate with hyperledger, you know, the idea of open source PLT that produce value proposition, and so had some some very good conversations that I'm going to continue and probably lean on David and some of the other folks that hyperledger a little bit to kind of understand how to answer their questions and kind of help them in the right direction. I don't have a comprehensive understanding while the technologies are out there. So that's something that I need to kind of figure out. But yeah, so that was it for me across the board. I had success in making those things and really kind of understanding what is going on in the industry, not really the industry, I mean it's not an industry, in this kind of problem solving space. And that was really important for me to kind of understand the different pieces and what the different pain points were and to get an understanding of, you know, how to, this is really important for kind of helping me understand, you know, how to navigate with the SIG and how to navigate within the hyperledger environment and kind of be more informed and more strategic in kind of moving things forward. Still a lot to learn there. And then that's part of the reason that I wanted to have this conversation. So we've, we've burned up a lot of time with these introductions. We had a lot of good, good, good input sides. It's all been valuable. And so what I want to do is with the remaining time, I want to spend about half of it going, skipping to the question about CLT and open source within this climate challenge problem, and just kind of open up the floor for about 10 minutes to have everybody share their thoughts on what the opportunities are, what we should be looking at. And then after that, I'd like to kind of go to like kind of last one minutes to a little bit more about hyperledger, open source, Linux Foundation, and what your thoughts are and what we should, within the SIG should be focused on, especially hyperledger as well. What role should it play? What value can it play? What are the moves that it should make to be able to position itself to participate in a value provider in this emerging space? So kicking off on this area of the opportunity for open source, the opportunity for DLT, what do you all see as the greatest opportunity in the climate space? What's the application? What should it be used? Sherwood, maybe I could just start by saying one thing. I think the, if it's not going to be open source, it's not going to work. I think the open source philosophy is the only approach really to doing something at a global scale that where everybody has to be able to be included. So I think the, and that's not only software, that's also standards definitions, procedures, methods. I think science is one of those enterprises where the public nature of it is what makes it great. And it's more sometimes lip service to that because people keep the, there's always, there's also a sort of tension within the practice. But I think the open source philosophy that we make the information that we have and the tools that we have and the concepts that we make that public and make that open, that leads to quality because it leads to scrutiny. But I don't see us establishing ways of accounting ways of doing things in any other way really. So I think that the open source in a certain sense is almost the core, one of the core values that is part of the solution. I don't see anything else apart from that. Thank you Christian. I agree. I'll open and say just a high level perception of the opportunity for blockchain and open source as well. Just my general, what I saw was a lot of financial institutions, corporations that need to invest, to decarbonize their production efforts. And what I was hearing was kind of a couple key barriers and essentially it was the access to data, the ability to kind of have trusted accurate data and the ability to kind of understand and measure risk. And that is what's keeping this trillions, trillion of dollars that's sitting on the sideline from being deployed to drive the essentially the greatest decarbonization effort, the greatest innovation effort that I think that we've probably ever seen. Because if we're talking about every single supply chain, every single company in the entire planet needs to change the way they're doing business. So I see this massive buildup of need and resources. And on the one side, and again, people saying the problem is access to data, the ability to share data, the ability to trust data and understand the risk. On the other side, I heard a bunch of different technologists who are kind of behind the scenes. Not really, there's not really kind of a great connection or communication between the kind of the leaders of industry and the people who are kind of building these solutions. A lot of them building with blockchain, but you know, a bunch of different technologies are building. So I kind of see that there's going to be this not really a linear movement. I think there's going to be more kind of a watershed or a breaking of a dam because I see the technologists that are building the solutions, they're really working hard to get the use cases. And I think it's going to come together and there's going to be kind of a breaking point where there's going to be just a tremendous amount of activity. And so I kind of feel like the technologists are just like, we're building, we're building, and we're going to be ready when the dam breaks. And we're going to basically have the pipes ready for this information to work, right? And so I think that is the area. It's challenging that area that you know, there's not a tremendous amount of resources yet with these technology solutions, but there's going to be in the near future. And so the opportunity is understanding how to kind of position everybody and collaborate together to kind of develop that solution and kind of create that information layer for information sharing. So I'll pause there and see if anybody else is up there. So if I may follow on you, share with on that is I see one of the greatest opportunities lies in tracking the energy sources. And that is renewable energy certificates. I believe that this is something that is just there and the use cases are there, the interest is there, and it's much easier to validate and report on than the standard carbon credits and then the carbon offsets in Janet. This is something I feel strong about because if we need to move to more renewable energy, then we need to track it. And with all the green hydrogen talks that are getting in there, they need to prove the origin of the energy. And again, this is there. I also during that cop, I there's a use case for training verification people. So how can we use blockchain in providing and this is this is where Robin was actually very helpful in in providing a an identity reputation system where we can train people to become verifiers and you can have them cross audit. So these two points are where I really think that doesn't make a lot of disruption of the current system. So there would not be a huge resistance or huge effort to implement them. And yet they might have very big impact. Yeah, I can also share like where I see the greatest opportunity. I think it's data. Everything is about data at the moment and blockchain can really coordinate data and ensure its integrity and also enable verification of data. What I think we would see in the blockchain space is in a couple of years when blockchain technology will be integrated in our lives. It is something like HTTPS so encrypted websites with SSL or TLS. So when you go to a browser and maybe you look for some information, we can limit it to climate related information. Then you will have a label could just be like the log saying it's encrypted or a check mark saying it's verified and you don't really face blockchain technology or DOT. It's just there it's under the hood. It's integrated into the internet stack. And it's just there it's a given. So just few people really deal with it. But everyone is using it and blockchain itself is not for me where there's like this market opportunity. It's the layer that builds on top of these verified data and that provides all the opportunities. And for me personally, we will be there when blockchain is integrated when we don't talk about blockchain anymore because we don't talk much about HTTPS. It's just a given. And having this in place would mean we have reliable climate data that we can always verify when needed. It's not that we need to verify everything all the time. But sometimes if there's something missing or some chain of trust cannot be completed completely, we know where the data is missing, where it's coming from. And then we will be able to manually figure out why it is missing or if we would still want to trust the data. But it's an abstraction layer that we need to build and use blockchain technology mainly as a verification tool for the data layer that we build on top of for other solutions. It's true. Same for identity as well. I don't care if your ID is valid. I cannot prove it because I don't know how another ID looks like. I don't know how the German ID looks like. Maybe I'd be able to really verify it when it's in front of me. But there are trusted services that can do this. And for digital IDs, it's cryptography. And I trust in cryptography. And if we can complete approves, I'll need to trust it. And we need tools that do this in the background for us so we don't get in touch with it too heavily because it's more distracting than value-adding. But see it as machine learning. It's there to support us. It's not there to replace us. It's there for blockchain technology. We need a thing. Where can we need some support? And then the solutions that support us and help us as human beings do what we can better with technology. Right. Really well said. Well, we need to get there. Right. So what is the role that Hyperledger, what is the role of the sanction? Which of you should be focusing? What role does Hyperledger play in helping us get there? What should Hyperledger be focusing on? What makes sense for it? Definitely silence. Okay. I'll try something. So I think focusing on the open and public aspects. I think, you know, a lot of the interesting thing about, let's say about Hyperledger is there's a lot of, there's a lot of, let's say something like Hyperledger Fabric functions a lot of the time as a private network between trusted partners. Which is obviously fine for the use cases which is useful. But there's really this need, I think, for a public and open ledger that has a lot of flexibility. But it is essentially a public thing. And we, you know, some of these things can play out, maybe different, even people reporting according to different standards or whatever. But it's all out there in public and in that thinking. So obviously then, so promoting tools and protocols that help bring this whole thing to the public level. I've got one question there maybe for David. And then promoting that interchangibility, something like protocols for atomic swaps, because everybody will not do these things on the same network. People will do things in a different way. But where are those interfaces where you can exchange the one for the other, you know, where you can perform that swap without splitting the world into two parallel universes, things like that. So the whole public nature of the thing. So my question is to someone like David is I'm not sure if Hyperledger is more suited to functioning in the public sphere as some of the other tools. But that's just a story. Hey, Christian. Yeah. I mean, all the DLTs can do that, you know, fabric, for example, Bezu. So yeah, I think I hear your point. And yeah, I mean, this goes to maybe what Sherwood had said earlier, maybe it could help the group to get more of a understanding of where the technologies are and what pieces exist that can be used. And we could, you know, look at ways that we could do that. I know we've had some technical, I think Peter, for example, from the cacti project has come in and worked with you on the lab, for example, so we can facilitate more of those sort of technical conversations if that's helpful. I think that would yes.  One question, though, thinking about, I just think about technology adoption, right? And, and, you know, I think I've been thinking a lot about scope three and talking to different companies about kind of sharing kind of emissions data amongst parties within a supply chain. And the thing that I kind of appearing, obviously, is that there's a lot of concern about making a lot of this data public. And so I kind of wonder if I agree with you this information is be public, but I'm wondering if it's, I kind of think that in order to get it corporations to adopt the technology and really kind of try and use case the real value in changing at a certain level. There's different levels of information that need to be shared. And the principal network, it allows them to really kind of share very detailed information that they can use to kind of collaborate together to kind of tackle high emitting parts of the supply chain. Now, not all that data needs to be potentially not all that data needs to be made public. I'm wondering if there isn't, like you said, kind of, you know, sharing of information across chains where you have, for example, fresh networks that focus for kind of very tight networks that are really working to decarbonize the supply chain, the kind of the higher level of information that's shared by the product or the facility level, when they, you know, that the baseline or the result of those efforts is shared. I think there's just kind of like different layers of information sharing and sharing of different levels of granularity. But I kind of, I kind of see it happening like multiple networks working together, different networks for different altitudes of information sharing. I totally agree with you. I see it like that as well. But if you think like the internet, the internet is basically the core of it is public.  Then you go to that part, which is only for the one for the party that has the password or that goes to the two facts. So in other words, there's a public interface, but the public interface gives access through the access control mechanism to something that's private. Let's say there's a public ledger and all that. Or there's something like there's a namespace like in sort of there's an address inside that address. There is emission data. But you cannot decode that unless you know, you are given access to that. But at least the, but then there's another, let's say there's another, there's another address that is that is viewable, but by the public, which contains the aggregate data, not, let's say not the raw data, maybe the annual aggregate, which is the reporting, which is what public reported. And maybe those with permission can check that the raw data adds up to the aggregated data. But not everybody can, but you know, the auditor can or the members can or whatever. So public taking the almost the primacy of the public ledger doesn't mean every single thing, every single data point has to be public. But it, it means that you start with, with this thing that everybody can have access to. And then they, they all these guides that you can, you know, that, that some parties can can see that the thing, the thing behind the guide to the thing in front of the guide is the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like we're agreeing to agree. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Does anybody else have anything else they'd like to share? Opportunities in opening up opportunities in the space, challenges that boxing faces areas that we should focus on. Final thoughts, we're kind of running out of time here, but we can, we can run longer if anybody else wants to stay and share. I think I can check my schedule a little quick. I think we've been texted, but would like to share something on that. Oh, yes, David, please. Yeah. For a person who is not attended the cop, but watching it from the sidelines seemed like there was a lot of, it was disappointing. But, you know, we could, we could argue about that. But anyway, it doesn't matter, because we are faced with an existential crisis. And obviously, since the existential crisis is unfolding, is unfolding at a long time scale. It is not, it doesn't seem to be as, you know, sharpening the people's minds as to the solutions. Anyway, coming to the solutions with respect to the hypolygia, I think there is a case to be made that we already have a very, I wouldn't say very good, but at least comprehensive standards in the form of UN SDG. And UN SDG is not just those 14 things that you often see. It underneath it is a comprehensive sort of a, you know, many, many more granular details on how the SDG can be measured. And so instead of trying to bootstrap another standard process, we can try to reuse that. And maybe we need a lab in hypolygia or somewhere where we can actually build something that would interface with this and can be placed in a company or, you know, the problem is the emissions come from decentralized sources, meaning every company, every household, every sort of production activity emits stuff. And it's unless you can somehow track this. So let's start with some of the biggest, you know, sources. And maybe we can, we can use this, you know, it requires a lot of data wrangling. And there are some efforts out there to transform that the data into the UN SDG type measures. So maybe there's a space for something very concrete. I mean, I agree with all the stuff that you guys said about, you know, the open source being the place. But unless we have concrete ideas to offer, I think it's going to be just one more of those, you know, conferences that focus on talking and not on doing anything. So yeah, I think you make a, sorry. So let's, let's, let's start, you know, very soon on this and then integrate, you know, we had tried to build some kind of momentum on breaking the silos before. I think the financial markets, SIG and this particular SIG and some of the other supply chain and other kinds of SIGs can come together in this, it can be done on a very, you know, start something, start with something very, very limited in scope, but kind of bootstrapping it off UN SDG measures. And they have published a lot of material on. So, and somebody else can back me up on this, but so one of the things that I've noticed that there are a lot of different organizations that are building in silos, there's a lot of different standards out there. And all these standards are going to be, you know, implemented for different types of problems, right? The financial marketplace, the people who hold the purse strings to finance projects to decarbonize, have to take all these different standards and understand them. So I, what I'm trying to say is focusing on one individual standard is kind of like putting all your act in one basket. One, so one thing I would kind of put out there for your consideration is that I think what needs to happen is the ability to bring all these standards together and be able to provide a way to translate those standards for the finance when people have the purse strings. And I think one first step in that is being able to use DLT and different solutions to be able to allow people to kind of easily see and kind of compare the standards and integrate them together. So that's an area, that's an area of opportunity that I think that you went to type ledger or somebody needs to play. And there are some different players out there that I'm kind of talking to that are kind of kind of crack this problem. And, and I'm in reaching out to the CTC, you know, where Linux are not sponsored Linux or Hyperledger, the Climate Action State could participate by value there, but I'll pause. Yeah. I hear what you're saying, but to compare a UN standard for SDG to some standard released by some organization, which is limited in scope is not helpful here because you know, the the COP itself is organized by UN, right? So if we can drive it all off that kind of a global agreement, unfortunately, even though the UN is has got its challenges and is seen as weak, it is the only global government that we have. I mean, truly. So that that's where, you know, we, I think we have to start there. It doesn't mean that we won't be looking at translating other other standards into this. But we have, you know, this is this is the world we have. Quickly react to something that Ben said. I think you are putting your finger on a very valuable place. There is a SDG ontology that the UNEP started, but it looks like they abandoned it off way. And a very concrete step would could be to pick up on that and maybe just bring that thing to completion and to operation. That there is a formal ontology for the SDG. I would look into this because one of my collaborators has indeed looked very closely at this. And so I mean, I don't know the scope of of where exactly they are where, you know, in terms of but the SDG has been floated for, I don't know how long it's been around for at least seven to eight years or even more. I don't know when it was started, but I think it's maturing. You know, there is that you mentioned the ontology that you discovered somewhere, but maybe there's more concrete things than that. I will, I lost my collaborator to send me some material on this and I can share with the group. Please thank you. I got the idea that it was much more concrete and it was measurable. Usually when it came to specific SDG goals because there's 167 goals. So what I mean is that the technology implementation is unfinished. So the interesting thing is they started with implementing that in a formal ontology. The system that they have with the SDGs and the goals and everything and it looked like it ran out of steam, but I think picking up just on the technology side where as all of the rest of the stuff are sorted out, that could be a valuable contribution. Yeah, let me look a little more into it. I mean, you know, not that we're going to rush into implementing something inside the hypolygia labs for this purpose, but at least it will help us background the discussion into a standard that which can be adopted, I hope, by lots of countries because they're already signed into the UN charter and everything else. And there have been a lot of attacks recently on the whole ESG philosophy from a financial markets perspective, where of course, you know, the old arguments are trotted out, which are only profit matters, nothing else, but profit towards what? I mean, if you're all dead in 50 or 100 years, then profit doesn't really matter. And profit on the backs of human suffering has always been a feature, not a bug, of the financial markets. So while profiteering all kinds of stuff based on shortages of grains, you know, food grains, all kinds of anything to do with climate change, you know, there's a pushback, especially in the US, based on some bad faith arguments, according to me anyway, I mean, their main argument is you cannot measure it. There's a lot of companies engaging in greenwashing. So let's chuck the whole thing. I mean, it doesn't work because instead of refining the weaknesses, handling the weaknesses of the current system, they're talking about, oh, it does, you know, we can't measure it anyway. Forget about it. Yeah, I think that we came across, you know, there is an argument, but I think one of the great things about attending the COP is that there are a lot of people who are working with the existing solution and with system and building solutions to kind of tackle that. So, you know, the day fairs, and they fail, they want, the people are, you know, heads not building, right? I'm going to have to, I thought, guys, I'm going to cut this towards tonight, I'm going to have to go, but I did just want to say, I think this last piece that we kind of began speaking about and around kind of standards and understanding how to bring standards together or I think that's a really interesting area, but I'd like to kind of continue the conversation in general understanding how we, I think in general, is a solution, philosophy, understanding how we can begin to bring together all the different solutions and standards that are better being built is a really interesting space, which is, provides a tremendous amount of opportunity, and it is that kind of a larger internet of environmental data that needs to be solved. So, that's definitely an area that I'd love to continue exploring. I want to thank everybody who joined today. Thank you for the great insight that you shared. Thank you for your expertise. Thank you for your time. I'm really excited about the work that you're doing in the work of the SIG and, you know, interested in kind of moving this conversation, this work forward. So, thank you everyone. Thanks everybody. 15 minutes left. So, there are some deadlines coming up that I put links in the link in the chat to all the documents that show what the decisions are that were made at COP 27. And in some of those decisions, especially surrounding Article 6, there are opportunities for us to go ahead and either critique, provide recommendations, provide input. And I hope that people will look at those and pay attention to the due dates. There are four of them that I found in just one of those documents. Thank you for that. I just saved the chat. And so, I'll be able to take a look and I highly encourage everybody else to do the same. Thank you, Elizabeth. Sure. Thank you. All right, everyone. Thank you so much. Have a good week. Thanks, everyone.


Adventures by Morse, Carlton E. Morse presents The City of the Dead, featuring Captain Friday. If you like high adventure, come with me. If you like the stealth of intrigue, come with me. If you like blood and thunder, come with me. But first, your announcer. 8 o'clock at night in October. The second night in The City of the Dead. Three men stand on the edge of a partly opened grave. A fourth stands in the grave itself, whispering, I've struck something, something awful. That was Jimmy Parker. The three men above him on the brink of the grave are Joshua Friday, mayor of The City of the Dead, otherwise known as the caretaker of the Old Cemetery. Dr. Tuner now retired from practice, since he has buried his last patient here in the city. And third, Captain Friday, son of the mayor, a private investigator. A grave had been tampered with, and tonight it is being reopened officially to discover why. First Captain Friday would dig, and then Jimmy Parker would dig, and it was Jimmy who uncovered the dead arm reaching up. There's something else you should know about Jimmy. He and his girlfriend, Phyllis Carroll, are virtual prisoners of the mayor, Dr. Tuner and Captain Friday. In fact, at the moment Phyllis is locked in the bedroom assigned to her up at the mayor's bungalow just inside the cemetery gates. Jimmy and Phyllis themselves are under slight suspicion of grave robbing. But just now Phyllis is locked up, and Jimmy is down in the grave with something horrible. Just as Parker whispered his discovery, there was a hair-raising wail from among the gravestones. It disappeared Captain Friday, you must have hit him. I didn't hit anything, I fired into the air. Dr. Tuner, Mayor Friday, everybody, I tell you, I've dug up something. What's that? They're crazy, Parker. You won't hit the coffin under four or five feet. I have struck something. It's an arm. Jumping, gee, how's your fan?  Let me turn my flash down in the hole. I tell you, hey! Didn't you ever see a dead man before? Let me out of here! Let me out of here! Grab him, Doc! You get out of here! Don't behave yourself! Let me go! Let me get away from here! You shouldn't have hit him so hard, Captain. When he comes to, we won't have any more hysteria than your grandmother.  Sure, why not, Mayor? That's part of the game. Aim out here on the grass. He'll be around presently. He wasn't far off. He struck something pretty ghastly already. But, son, that ain't Ernie Martin's body. Sure it isn't, then. Ernie died a natural death 20 years ago. This man was murdered last night. Do you mean that, Captain?  May I take a look at his face? Strangled. Not long ago, either, was it? Not more than 24 hours. Here, hand me the shovel. I'll finish uncovering the body. We'll take it up to the shed behind the cottage. Did you recognize him, Doc? No, I didn't, Mayor. It isn't anyone I ever saw before. Wasn't Lamy Finkton. Fine jiggers. I never thought about him. Let's have another squint today. I looked especially, doctor. It isn't Lamy. Lamy has a deep scar at the roots of the hair on his forehead. There's none on this fella. No wonder somebody ran by the cottage and out of the city of the dead in hysterics last night. You think maybe it was the murderer we heard, Captain? Not likely. Why not? Anyone with the courage to commit murder in a graveyard isn't likely to have a case of hysteria. Besides, anyone as frightened as that wouldn't have stopped a bury as victim and replant the turf on the grave. Then where does the hysterical man fit in? I don't know. But I can give a guess. Let's have it, son. Maybe some passerby who saw something he wasn't meant to see. Perhaps the murderer ran out of the city of the dead, scared out of his wits. You don't have passerby's way off down here, son. We'll have to see. I think we can lift the body out. Here, doctor, can you reach the arms? Yeah. Up we go. There it is. Unhappy business. You're not nervous, Dr. Tune. Yes, I am, Dad. Blame me or whatever. It's perfectly okay with me, Doc. Dad, you've got to stretch around some place, haven't you? In the shed behind the house where you got to shovel. I'll run up and get it. No fun carrying a body around in your arms. Keep an eye on young Parker. Shall I fill in the grave while you're going? Don't touch anything. I want to examine that grave by daylight. You just wait around. I won't be long. Mayor, do you know what I think about this whole business? No. How should I know what you think when I don't know what to think myself? Why in Tarnation should anybody dig up one man's grave to shove another one in it? I'll tell you what I think. I've got an idea that someone else has got onto the trail of what we've been after for years. You think that's what's at the bottom of all this? Yes, I do. Mayor, I told the captain all about this. Didn't you poke your word, Dr. Tuller? We promised to never say a word. Well, it was necessary, Mayor. It was the only way I could make him keep Parker here in that Phyllis Carroll prisoners. Besides, it's your own flesh and blood. He's that all right. Is he going to help us? No, he wouldn't promise. The only thing he agreed to was to hold the kids a week to find out whether they knew anything about how you came to be shot. You think they know anything about the other? Of course they do. I think they were responsible for this killing? I don't know. The girl was mighty anxious to keep away from this grave tonight. The boy held out better, but you saw how hysterically he got. That looks suspicious. So it does. So it does. Still, they don't fit into the picture right. There's something more to it. They couldn't have rung that phantom church bell we've been hearing. Neither could one of them been the claw-footed men that tromped on me in the old church. They were both locked up in the cottage at the time. Could I have friends helping them? Looks like a gang all right. Two gangs. Else why the murder? Jupiter, ma'er. If they're out after the same thing we are and wanted bad enough to commit murder... Yes, I've been thinking about that. Well, I'm not telling anyone I know anything.  The claw-footed man again. Look, look. See you, ma'er. I'm going after you. Don't do it, ma'er. Don't do it. Look. Look how he bobs and floats among the grave. Let loose of me, doc. Let loose. Come on, we can catch it. Can you hear that bell? Save your breath. We're gaining on it. Run faster. Why don't you shoot, ma'er? You've got your pistol, haven't you? Yes, of course. I forgot all about it. I'll stop a minute and we'll take a crack at it. Jumping Jupiter, ma'er. Where did it go? I dropped it. That's what happened. No, you didn't. It didn't fall. It just vanished. Wait and see. Cut across the lawn here. But don't walk on the graves. It was right ahead. Now, where's your claw-footed man? He probably just wounded him. Maybe he dragged himself off. I tell you, he just plain vanished. I tell you, I dropped him. All right, all right. Where are you? Hi, Doc Tuner. There's the captain. Here we are, coming. He's all right. Where's the body? What body, captain?  Of course I'm not. Tell me you don't know where it is. Look here, Captain Friday. Let's get this straight. Ain't the body lying beside the grave where we left it? It is not. You're sure it's gone? It's gone, all right. What have you two been up to? We were chasing that claw-footed fella. He came right down here close by and let off a whole series of whales. So we took after him. Got away, huh? Yep, vanished when the mayor took a shot at him. I hit him. And while you were out chasing ghosts, the strangled body got up and walked off. I thought I told you fellas to watch young Parker. Ring it. What's happened to him? He got up and walked off, too.  Yeah? Did he take the body? How should I know? And Parker got away? He did not. As I came out of the shed with the stretcher, I heard a noise in the house. I peeked in the window and saw young Parker releasing Phyllis Carroll. I thought it would be safe enough. What was the boy's idea? I looked as though they were trying to make a getaway. Trying to run away? That looks bad for him, eh, Catwin? Hmm. Now here's the grave. Still got the hole left, anyway. Empty, all right. I wish we'd caught that whaling critter. Might have solved everything. Whoever heard of catching a decoy? Decoy? Sure, then. Looks like your whaling ghost wanted you to chase him. Wanted to get you out of the way. But why? You know, likely we weren't supposed to examine the corpse. Probably its identification would have solved the whole business. Joe hadn't thought of that. Well, what's to be done? We're going back to the house and see what Parker and Miss Carroll know. I've got him locked up in his room. Miss Carroll, Captain Friday wants to see you in the living room. What's happened? Never mind. Go on into the other room. Come on out, Parker. The Captain wants to see you. What rights he got slugging me and locking me up this way, even if he is Captain Friday? Well, you'd have gotten worse if you'd tried to make a break out of a jail. Go on in the other room. Now, we'll see about these high-handed methods. Oh, come on in, Parker. Sit down. You think you're pretty smart, cracking people on the job. Don't sit there. Come over here away from Miss Carroll. Why shouldn't I sit by first? Oh, please, Jimmy, do what he says. Okay, okay. Yeah, that's better. Now then, Parker, what did you do with the body? Body? Yes, Miss Carroll. We found the body. Too bad, isn't it? The body, somebody planted an old Ernie Morton's grave last night? Oh, Jimmy. We don't know anything about anybody. Be careful, Phil. They're trying to frame you. Oh, so we're trying to frame you, aren't we? Tell me something, Miss Carroll. Yes? Did you see Parker the day he got his job? What job? You know, the gardening job, Phil, over at the university. Oh, oh, that? Why, uh, why, no. No, I didn't see him that day. Let me see. What day was it he got this job? Oh, what? No, no, look at me, Miss Carroll. Don't look at Parker. That's better. Now then, when did Jimmy tell you he got that gardening job? What? I've just forgotten. Sometime last week, I think. He told you about getting the job, did he? Oh, yes. Well, well, Parker, so you told Miss Carroll about the job last week, huh? I don't know what you mean. Well, then I'll explain. You got the job two days ago? Yes. Then how could you have told Miss Carroll about it last week? This is Saturday. That would have been at least a week ago. What about it? Well, come on now, admit it. You haven't got a gardening job and you never had one. Isn't that the truth? Answer me. You're having the job, have you? No. Then how did you get those fresh blisters on your hands? Oh, Jimmy, I'm sorry. It wasn't your fault. Never mind, Miss Carroll. Answer me, Parker. How did you get those blisters? I... You got them opening a grave, now, didn't you? How can you even think of such a thing? Answer me, Parker. It's none of your business.  He didn't. He didn't kill anyone. Oh, Jimmy, tell him the truth. The truth? Yes, Miss Carroll. What are you talking about? What? Oh, I've been so upset by all this. Oh, Jimmy, I want to go home. Oh, so Jimmy, Parker, and Phyllis Carroll are up to their chins in this after all. But what are a good-looking young woman and a college boy doing mixed up with grave robbing and murder, and... but more in just a moment? Dr. Tuna, take Miss Carroll to a room and see if you can quiet her. Yeah, yeah, Miss Carroll. You look better after your good night's rest. Now then, Parker, let's have the truth. I haven't anything to say. I'd guess you have plenty to say. You lied about the blisters. You tried to escape after we discovered a murder victim in Ernie Morton's grave. And on top of that, now the body has vanished. We've got a lot of explaining to do.  Phyllis urged you to tell the truth. What was she talking about? She was scared. She didn't know what she was saying. She did know what she was saying. What did she mean? I don't know. Why did you try to escape after you saw the body? I wasn't going to stay here and be beaten up by you. That wasn't the reason. Something about that body terrified you. Now, what was it? It was just a... dead body. I never saw a murdered man before. That wasn't it. Something about that body got under your skin. Did you murder that man? No, I swear I didn't. I swear it. Did you recognize the body? No, of course I didn't recognize it. How much you saw that face you let out a yell? Please, Captain Friday, please let us go.  Can't you see? Can't I see? What? The same thing will happen to all of us if you keep us here. We'll all be murdered. How do you figure that out? I know it. I know it. Wouldn't you be in just as much danger if I let you go? Oh, no, really. The danger's here, Captain. The danger's in the city of the dead. What do you mean by that? What danger? A murderer. What murderer? I can't tell. I couldn't if I wanted to. How long have you known of this... this murderer? Since I saw the body. Then you did recognize it? Yes. Who was it? I can't tell you. Now look here, Parker, if you are in as much danger as you say you are, I should think you and Miss Carol would want protection. But it isn't only us.  You're in danger, too. So is the mayor and Dr. Tuna. What's that? I tell you, it's true. They won't stop at anything. Hey, is it a gang? No. So you won't talk to save your own life? No. Isn't there anything that would make you talk? Let me talk along with Phyllis for a little. Then will you tell us what we want to know? If she's willing. But she's already begged you to tell. She doesn't know all I know. Oh, I see. In other words, you want to tell her the name of the murdered man. Hmm. Very well. I'll let you talk to her. Hey, Doctor. Yes, Captain? I'm going to send Parker in to see Phyllis. Is she all right? Oh, sure. She's all right. I gave her a powder. You want her to come out? No, I'm giving Parker here five minutes with her alone. Go on in, Parker.  Just five of ten. You got till ten o'clock. Right in here, son. Okay. Jimmy, what's it all about? I'm going to get into all this trouble. Look here, Phyllis. We've got to face it. There's something horrible going on in this place. But you said it would be all right. You said all we'd have to do would be to come down here and dig the... Be careful, Phyllis. Maybe listen. But why do we have to be careful? Why don't you tell everything? Phyllis, do you know who that was we dug up tonight? You... you mean the body? Yes. Oh, please. It wasn't anyone I know. It was, Phyllis. I'm sorry. Oh, Jimmy, who was it? It was your cousin, Bert Arnold. Oh, no, Jimmy... Please, don't cry, Phyllis. I'm awfully sorry, but you just had to know. Oh, but I... I just saw Bert yesterday. Who would want to kill Bert, Jimmy? Look here, Phyllis. I think Bert was down here for the same reason we came. But how did he know? I thought I was the only one who knew. I don't know how he found out. It looks to me like he did know, and someone killed him while he was nosing around down here. Oh, Jimmy, this is awful. Awful. What are we going to do? I don't know. Whoever killed Bert is probably out after us, too. Oh, Jimmy, don't say that. You might as well face it. Have you any idea who it could be? Oh, no. No. Any relatives? Mother's the only relative I've got besides Bert. Any distant relative that might have found out something in some way? Oh, I don't know. No one I know of. Please, why can't we tell Captain Friday all about it? What do you suppose he's going to think if we tell him what we came down here for? Men told him the murdered man was your cousin. Oh, I don't know. I do. You think we killed him? Oh, but we didn't. We didn't. Of course not, but... Well, if you want me to tell... Not if they'll think we killed him. Well, they will. You can count on that. Then we mustn't tell. We mustn't... Oh, I don't know what I'll tell Mother. We'll be lucky not to get kicked out of the university for this. Oh, shh, listen. Come on out, Parker. Time's up. You won't tell. You won't tell, will you, Jimmy? No, Phyllis, but listen. If you hear anyone trying to get into your room, yell. Don't wait a minute.  What do you think... Come on out of there, Parker. Coming! Remember what I say, Phyllis. Don't take any chances. Good night, Phil. Be careful, Jimmy. Well, here I am. Yeah. You ready to talk? No. Oh, it's that way, huh? Yeah, that way. Then go on into your room. But let me tell you this, Parker.  You'll be only too glad to talk. I'll go on to bed and think it over. Did you lock both doors, Captain? Right. And I'm keeping the keys to both and Miss Carol's rooms with me. Are there any more keys to those two bedrooms, Mayor? No. Those are all, son. Hmm. It's quarter past 10. I'm turning in. It's going to be heavy work from now on. Good, Captain. Do you think we might be in any danger? After all, a man has been murdered here. Who can tell where danger is? Doc, you and the mayor double up in the big bed in the front room. I'm going to make myself comfortable here on the lounge beside the fire. Yes, son. You won't be comfortable there. Do what I say, Dad. I'm going to boss things around here for a while. Yeah. Jack and apes turning across my knee. Good night. Rest as fast as you can. There's something hanging around outside the house. Hey, are you sure? Of course. Hurry. Is Phyllis all right? Yeah, I made sure of it. Everyone's asleep. What are we going to do? Find out who it is. Isn't it a man? He's certainly got himself rigged out. You've seen it. What does it look like? Moonlight, it looks like a cross between the headless horseman and one of Shakespeare's witches. Come on, fellow. Aren't you almost ready? Just a minute. One more shoe. Here it is. Get into it. Thanks. Why are you ringing me in on this detective business? I thought I was a prisoner. If this fellow's hanging around for a chance to murder you, as you seem to believe, I just thought I'd give him a chance at you. You don't really mean that. You know what I mean. All right. Hang right on my coat tail and you won't be in any danger even if this fellow is after you. He seems to be patrolling around the house. We'll watch here at the window until we spot him and then we'll slip outside and lay for him. Where did you see him? I watched him circle the house twice. Look. Look. There he comes. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, what is it? Can you see his face, Parker? Look sharp. Yeah. Have a home here, Stranglin. Hey, look. It's crouching down. Well, it's since it's prey. Look in the shadow there. There's something else moving. It's coming out the moonlight. Oh, man. He's coming toward the house. He hasn't seen that crouching thing. The thing's following him. He doesn't see it. There they go around the corner. Come on. We got to see the end of this. You see now, from the bars to your window. The murderer, I told you. Yeah, but where's our pet ghost? He seems to have vanished up. The man's cutting the bars. We'll put a stop to that right now. The deuce to make a move in the open and we'll get him. Maybe the thing spotted us. The God is killing him. It's killing him. Don't let it get away. I've missed. It's gone. Quick run for Dr. Toner while I see if the fellow's still alive. Yeah, but I... Dr. Toner! Another man's been murdered. Captain Friday wants you. Where is he? Back in the cottage. Come on. I'll show you. Right around this way. Who's been killed? I don't know. I know it's somebody's been murdered. It's somebody in the moonlight. Hurry. Hurry, Doc. Here's the body. But where's Captain Friday? Maybe chasing the Phantom. I don't know. Here, let's turn this fellow over in his back. See if he's still alive. Easy now. What do you mean, boy? This body is Captain Friday. Captain Friday? Then where's the other body? You have just heard Chapter 3 of City of the Dead. Why is it a corpse in the City of the Dead vanishes almost as quickly as it is made? Why is this Phantom creature haunting the vicinity of the caretaker's cottage? And what's happened to Captain Friday? All this will unfold next week in the fourth episode of City of the Dead, entitled, Old Clawfoot Again.


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from the Sunnyvale, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley, it's theCUBE! Covering Accelerator Journey to AI, brought to you by NetApp. I'm Peter Burris with Wikibon theCUBE and we're broadcasting from theCUBE here from NetApp's data visionary center today. And we've got a number of great conversations with some NetApp executives, specifically about the role that NetApp and AI are going to play together as the market evolves. And we're joined first by Gene English, who's a senior vice president and CMO of NetApp. Gene, welcome to theCUBE. Great, thanks Peter, nice to see you again. A lot of great stuff to talk about Gene. So let's start with this interesting relationship, NetApp, AI, the centerpiece of it is data. Yes. What does that mean? Absolutely. Well I think just to start, technology is changing everyday lives and digital transformation really tops the strategic agenda of most CEOs today. And so when you think about what does that mean in terms of data? Data is actually the lifeblood of an organization and it has to really be able to seamlessly flow through that organization to really add value. So we think of data as the heart and when we think about data and AI, we want to accelerate the journey to AI. But to do that, you have to be able to holistically manage your data. So as we think about the need to manage data, that says that there's a number of challenges that customers face. You have to be able to bring great technology but in ways that allow customers to do things specifically with it. So talk a little bit about the relationship that NetApp is developing with its customers to try to ensure that that journey to AI can be accelerated. Absolutely. Well the first is really around when we think about digital transformation and especially as AI is part of it, how are they going to get more connected to their customers? A better customer experience. An experience that allows them to feel connected not only to the experience they have with the company but to their peers and to their customers as well as suppliers. We also know that we want to be able to think about what do customers need to do to create new value and new business opportunities, new services, new companies. Companies are also looking at how do they optimize their operations? How do they even take out the cost of back office and take out that capital to be able to fuel innovation especially when it comes to customer engagement? AI is becoming more and more a part of how companies are doing each of those and they're using those analytics and insight to be able to power through that digital transformation which is now really being seen as a data driven digital transformation. Well we certainly agree at Wikibon, Silicon Angle and theCUBE, we believe that the relationship between business and digital business is in fact the digital business uses data as an asset. There's a special class of customer though that is as we move forward and that is some of the hyperscalers, the big cloud suppliers who are participating in this process of driving so much innovation in the industry. Serving them is a particular challenge. Talk to us a little bit about how that works. Sure, well we are definitely seeing that there's a certain class of customers that are starting to think about what do they do to thrive on data and not only can they thrive but they have to be able to put data as an asset. It has to be at the top of the strategic agenda of the company. It has to be able to seamlessly flow through that company. We're seeing that they're called data thrivers and those thrivers are set apart. They're driving bottom line revenue, they're driving increased customer acquisition, they're seeing definitely higher profit margins but in all those results we notice that there's a few things they're really doing right and they're getting it right. One of those is that they're using the cloud and they're using public clouds, they're using private clouds, they're acquiring more DevOps skills, they're hiring data scientists, they're really being able to think about how do they hire digital officers, data officers and a lot of that is around how they want to leverage AI. We know that over 50% of companies will start to adopt AI next year. We know that they're going to start to leverage AI to gain better insight and these new roles of people are definitely the ones who are being able to think about how do they manipulate that data, how do they use that data to have a competitive advantage and how do they leverage the cloud to get more services like AI from these big cloud providers? Well, it's pretty clear as you try to service that broader range of potential customers that you have to have a couple of touchstones you keep coming back to. Increasingly design has to be one of them, thinking in terms of design, great products but also designing engagement, designing how you work with customers, designing how you work with partners. Now, you have, along with your team, has bought some of that data-first, data-driven notions into how you've designed this data visionary center. Talk to us a little bit about how you have been using design to ensure that great experience across the board from NetApp. Absolutely. Well, first, as NetApp thinks about how to holistically manage data, that was really the inception of Data Fabric and Data Fabric was a vision, it was a strategy years ago and we've been really working to see how do we bring that strategy to life and being that data visionary for our customers thinks about from the edge to the core to the cloud and what do we do to help bring that Data Fabric across? You can seamlessly manage data, integration points across all those environments, you can migrate data to the cloud, you can make sure you're consuming data services like analytics and AI and you're really being able to bring that value back. AI is at the center of that. We wanted to design and experience that brought Data Fabric to life for our customers. One, how do they modernize their current architectures, especially with cloud-connected flash and what we're doing with AI? We wanted to make sure that we were thinking about how do they build these private clouds and what do they need to do to really bring out applications at speed? Third is we want to inspire innovation with the cloud and the work we're doing with the cloud providers. We've had new services like cloud volumes that have been launching with AWS, with Azure, as well as Google. And with all of the biggest clouds, we've been thinking about how do we bring that customer experience to life? That design comes forward through the Data Visionary Center, where we are today. This center is where we want to actually have customers come in and be inspired by what they can do in their own digital transformation journey. We want to build trust with those customers and partners. We want them to know that we understand their industry, we understand their needs, we understand what's happening in the market. IoT, AI, what's happening with securing data? How do they think about leveraging the cloud to really maximize business impact? We want to be able to have frank conversations, inform each other of our strategies. How do they then able to interpret those and internalize that information? The whole Data Visionary Center has been based on how do we help them to be able to grow? How do they partner with us so they can leverage our services to help them to maximize the value of data? So we provide those opportunities, hands-on kiosks, demos, learning, even being able to do what we've done with NVIDIA with an advanced solution around even our Vincent solution where they can start to play with AI in real time. Then we want to be able to enjoy the conversation here at the Data Visionary Center and talk about next steps and the journey ahead. So we're excited about the Data Visionary Center. We just opened it a few months ago and we're thrilled to be able to invite customers and partners to be here. So let's extrapolate, extend beyond the Data Visionary Center and make the observation that marketing broadly has become altered, changed, transformed as a consequence of using data. Marketing at NetApp in particular is interesting because you're fundamentally marketing data-driven as a concept. So how has marketing's evolved experience with data informing how NetApp broadly engages customers and builds products? CMOs are becoming one of the top functions to really drive digital transformations. When you think about how do you connect and engage with customers more? How do you engage with them on a personalized level? How do you ensure that you're having that constant communication online, offline, and continuously be able to build that relationship? Marketing's at the center of that. We're excited that we are a data-driven organization and as a data-driven organization we're having real business impact to the business and real customer engagement. We're excited that we're at the heart of what we're doing to transform the business. Not only from our branding and how we think about reinventing NetApp, we are a data-driven company. We are data-driven as we think about that aspiration for our customers. Our Data Visionary concept is about how do we inspire people to want to bring all that data together and really simplify and integrate and then unleash that potential for their own companies. Marketing's at the center of how we're engaging people, especially in the cloud. And as we have a no-touch experience and customers are engaging with us to be able to download trials, being able to see demos, being able to watch other customers and where they are on their own journey, but being able to surface that, again, digitally and as well as offline as well in personal engagement. Analytics, big part of what we're doing to understand customer needs better, understand those needs from the solutions they expect from us, understand their needs from what they're enduring in the market, and then being able to help the company think about that in terms of roadmaps, think about that in terms of key messages, think about that in terms of real solutions and real engagement. Gene English, Senior Vice President at CMO NetApp. Thanks again for being on theCUBE and talking about data-driven and marketing. Thank you. Nice to see you. Good to see you again.