Alright, good evening everybody. I'm gonna call our Thursday, March 9th, 2023 Airport Advisory Board meeting to order In the absence of recording secretary, I'm calling the roll for tonight Malcolm Dean Tala Salamateen Steve shook Harrison Earl here council member Martin Levi Brown, airport manager Bill Greenwall, transportation planning manager Mr. Chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you First item on our agenda is election of new vice chairperson So you'll notice our quorum here is all we've got We've had Russell leave the board, so he was elected vice chair last meeting in January So we're opening up elections for a new vice chairman for other officer position Are there any nominations from any board members for a vice chairperson? Okay, Mr. Dean, self-nominate, I will second But anyone else? Okay, any further discussion? Motion on the floor All those in favor of Mr. Dean, elected vice chairman, say aye please Aye Any opposed? Motion carries, congratulations Vice Chair Dean Next item on our agenda is a public invited to be heard Anyone is welcome I will note we have two action items on the agenda As we have done in past meetings, I'll have a public invited to be heard for each of those action items So if you'd like to speak about either of those particularly, you are welcome to wait until later You're also welcome to come forward now if you choose to So with that, I'll open up the public invited to be heard Whoever would like to, come on down Just a reminder of the rules for everyone, you have five minutes I'm keeping time Please start with your name and address, address your comments to the board and please be respectful Hi, this is Al Manley, 940 Rangilane 80501 Just one thing here I'm going through a lease renewal on the south side, this would be the first As far as I'm aware of the first leases That are up for renewal on the south side And I just have a brief statement here, comment, question, etc The Two Victor Two Hanger, Hanger Owners Association leases on the south side Have reached the initial lease term of 20 years We, the Two Victor Two HOA, wanted to renew the existing lease for another 20 years But that wasn't offered as an option as stated in the lease In place of the renewal, we received a draft copy of the New Hanger lease template Comparing the two lease documents The existing lease that was approved at the December 2022 City Council meeting And the draft template that was received We noticed a modification that didn't match between the two documents The question is, should the unapproved modified version of the draft lease be used In place of the master lease that was approved by the City Council in December of 2022? And if the answer is yes Just a follow on question, comment, it seems to me If the master lease can be modified without city council approval You know, the formal process of the city to approve these documents Doesn't that diminish the integrity of the master lease itself? Thank you Thank you Would anyone else like to come forward and speak? The first public invited to be heard Hello, my name is Colin Dilman, 5521 West 103rd Avenue, Westminster 80020 This is my first approach to the board But I have interest in becoming the new FBO on the airport I am speaking with Chuck and Julie Myers of Aviation Just looking for some advice on negotiations on the terms Any future or current considerations of the land leases Or anything associated with the hangar, the FBO And whatnot, just seeking advice Because I have not been here for any other board meetings And would just like to catch up, I guess So thank you for your time Thank you very much Any other public invited to be heard? Dave Copp, 4625 West 99th Place, Westminster, Colorado And see, I wanted to start, you know, Al brought up in this lease deal This is one of the biggest customers on the airport Maybe the biggest, you know, we're talking 60,000 plus square foot of hangars And first 20 years on this one One of the newest hangars to come up for renewal And I was disappointed that the master lease isn't what they sent out In fact, they didn't send anything out We had to go back and ask them for something They wanted to do a Microsoft Teams meeting I think the pandemic's over I think the biggest customer in the airport deserves a face-to-face meeting With its officers of the 2v2 condo association And to talk through, let's see the lease you got Let's go through it We asked for some advance copy of it, sent us a blank lease No numbers, nothing So pretty cavalier And then we noticed some changes on it And says, hey, what are these? I mean, you had something approved by the advisory board and the city council And the bottom line is there's changes What are the changes? Don't you have them highlighted or anything? No, you'll have to go through a comparison side by side And figure out what the changes are Well, what kind of customer service is this For the biggest customer in the airport? Doesn't make any sense We don't know what other changes are in there We haven't gone through them side by side The one thing we did notice is that there's a million-dollar liability For all personal vehicles on the airport I've flown into a lot of airports I've had hangers on two airports in Colorado Here in Jefferson County, now called Metro And they don't have a million-dollar liability on personal vehicles You get a badge, you just follow Colorado law Right? $100,000 liability is comfortable for the whole rest of the airport Airports in Colorado and everywhere I've ever landed Never questioned In fact, most of the places I land, they give me a courtesy car They don't care if I've got a driver's license or insurance Of course, they're not the nicest cars, but they're a car They'll get you from A to B Along with that, if you look at this new lease 21.10 says that this The lease shall be governed and construed by the laws of Colorado Well, the laws of Colorado say $100,000 liability is fine for the rest of the world What the hell's wrong with us? You can't possibly manage this The visitors that come in, you've got to card them And see what they've got a million-dollar liability What about the skydivers? It's outside over there You don't monitor anything in or out of there Ridiculous You gave a lot of accolades to the new airport manager He's coming up on his one-year anniversary I wanted to give you my perception as a customer That you've got great accolades on a 3,000, 4,000-feet of sewer line over there I didn't see one manhole in 4,000-foot of sewer You can't even jet 4,000-feet of sewer So those should have been added When the last modernization of the water and sewer was done At Longmont, they included both water and sewer No water was added back over there So now the expectation is you're going to attract a developer And ask them to come up with a million and a half dollars For up front, for storm sewer drainage Raise the elevation You're not going to attract anybody And you've got no water over there And the existing customers that are down there Got roughed in and everything You didn't need to do any half taps on these things Now you've got to do a 180-degree loop To get back to the new plan where the sewer line is So the bottom line, I don't think I would grade them very high In this performance, even though the sewer is in Now we've got new grassy, no manholes No half taps, no idea You're going to have to radio code out Where the hell the sewer line is Dig back down to it to get tied to it In the annual performance review we got last Last session was pretty weak I mean, it was the worst I've seen in the 20 years I've been here There was no income and expense report We have no idea how much money came in And where it went out I see $50,000 bobcats sitting out there That somehow we're paying for Not in use The no awareness of what the real plans are coming up What kind of grants we got approved So overall for Levi's first year I'd give him a D minus Thanks Thank you Anyone else like to speak at this time? Okay, seeing nobody Next item on our agenda is approval of our January 2023 minutes Do any board members have any comments, revisions Anything they'd like to see changed? I have, I think one Page one, line 22 This is the election of officers It says that board member Robus and dissented On his own nomination for vice chairman I believe it should be abstain, not dissent If there's nothing else, I would entertain a motion To approve the minutes with that amendment But Mr. Shook Oh, sorry A motion to approve the minutes as written With you Thank you Moved and seconded, thank you Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye Aye Any opposed? Thank you Item six, updates from the airport manager Levi Alright, I've got a few updates for you guys This week, I'll go through them And if there's any questions, I'll just go through them A, B, C, D If you have any questions, I'll leave a little spot At the end of each one there for you guys Southwest sewer project That's pretty much all wrapped up Just processing paperwork this week To close out on that project They did also get the grass seed planted And then they got hay down and put on it Everything's buttoned up It's all past inspection Thanks for looking really good A little bit of a project left Just need to double check, make sure we're Repairing some of the perimeter road And the turnaround area for the skydiving Outfit beyond that Everything is 100% done Any questions on the Southwest sewer project? Mr. Schuck So we heard from Dave Kopp About manholes and things like that Can you comment on that? I can comment from the manholes I've inspected myself There's at least two along the round I think there's actually a third There's one at the terminus also So there's manholes In fact, that was one of the things On our cleanup list Was we needed to re-grade Around the manholes To make sure that they were to spec We had a gap of about four inches We wanted them level with the rest of the ground Mr. Dean Yeah, good question You said you put grass seed down Was it drought resistant And what kind of grass seed did you use? It was I can't remember the exact one But we had discussions about that During the meeting as we wanted Of course low maintenance Colorado native grass out there That would grow naturally So that was planted And then proper mitigation To make sure that hopefully it grows The best that it can With the hay and stuff like that That was actually kind of the last thing On the whole list Really the project's been done done But we've been waiting on March To get that grass in To give it the best chance for growing Come this spring here Perfect, thank you Anyone else want to see our project? Go ahead, Levi All right Prairie dog mitigation So as we've discussed At other airport advisory board meetings Can you speak into the mic? Oh, is it? There we go A little closer here Is that better? Yeah All right So we've discussed At other airport advisory board meetings We had FAA inspection last year And there was definitely a concern About the prairie dog holes So we're pressing forward With doing a complete airport mitigation Plan is And we've covered this at different meetings But I do a full Clean with six pack machines On every hole in the airport Come back Now the plan is two days later And do it all again Did all the dugout holes The concept being to get Just the hardest hit we can On it And then the city's wildlife department Can hopefully come in after that And keep on top of it So that's the plan That is moving forward We got all the money moved around In the airport budget We need to do that PO's been created We are going to go with I think in the last minutes A miss mention The company was Which was a DHQ ranch services And they will be doing that service They're going to be starting Hopefully Tuesday So I spoke with him this morning They're supposed to be out here Tuesday They'll be here for about a week With their first push We'll have a couple of day Pause And then they'll do another Whole airport push So that's moving forward quickly Any questions on prey dog? Mr. Dean Hold on Hold on I mean actually You've had a possible price That was going to cost the city For that Yeah I made the PO for $43,000 It's all based on hourly rate So it's hard to say Exactly what it's going to be But that's kind of our best guess They put it up We had the wildlife guys Kind of assess it Based on their hourly rate And what they'd be doing And they said Yeah, that looks pretty close So that's where we're sitting at right now Perfect, thank you Right Is that what else? Okay Next one Engineering consultant update I put this on the agenda With the greatest of hopes That I would be able to update More about this But we are still technically In the cone of silence Because of signatures on paper So I know Talus knows more about it Because he was part of that process But technically via city rules We're still in the cone of silence So we can't talk too much about that I can say that we are incredibly close To the point where I checked this morning To see if I could talk about this And it seems like most things are signed It's maybe just a transit of paperwork And making sure it's in the right people's hands Right now So we can move forward with Yeah, and we can send out Certainly we will send out a communication When that's all official Again, in this month's airport update I had it all prepped up and written up To make the announcement of that Engineering consultant And I had to pull that From the email kind of last minute But any questions on that That I could talk about anyway Is that something that has to go to council For their approval Once you have signatures? No So that's just We've gone through the rather painful process Of the standard procurement Through the city So that's supposed to be all we need to do So really it's just signatures And to my understanding really All that's been signed and done Is just really our procurement department Making the official announcement That we are out of the cone of silence And proceed forward Fair enough Any questions from anyone? Airshow meeting Okay, airshow meeting So we have set up for Saturday At 9 a.m. At the Public Works And National Resources Field Office Which is right next to the airport For you who are familiar with it You might know it If you've ever tried to navigate to the airport By putting it in your map On your cell phone Because it takes you to that office Instead of the airport for some reason But we'll be having a meeting there At 9 o'clock Saturday morning And what we're doing is just trying to get A basic idea of who's interested In helping out on the airshow And trying to start organizing things To a point where we have an organization That we can move forward with And actually get some things accomplished So that'll be 9 o'clock On Saturday morning Tell your friends I sent that out in its own email I also sent that out in the airport update And the address and the times And locations are on that also Have you gotten much response from people Saying they're likely to be there? I've gotten two people RSVP'd I kind of said, hey, please RSVP If you don't have to But show up if you don't Linda told me actually That she's heard a little bit more About interest So she's kind of hopeful that we will Have at least a small crowd At least at the point where I'm Going to go buy donuts just in case So if anyone else wants to show up Just for donut I was going to say donut should be In the email I'm getting Lamar's So, yeah, exactly So that'll be Saturday morning 9 a.m. at the public works Field office Any questions on that? Comments from anybody here on that? Oh, there's another one That's RSVP I'll consider that It's not, sorry I like to put the address In the communications Seeing nobody else there Leave anything else On your update That's what I got Can I ask you I'm not asking about any particular lease Or negotiation that you're in However, there are concerns that were raised About lease modification from the master lease And particularly the insurance requirement Can you talk at all about that And where that stands I can talk a little about that That's something that actually That the risk department came to me about And saying that we needed to alter Apparently it's Changed over the years And another thing was brought up Is that I didn't have a list Of exactly what's changed in the lease Well, the problem is Over the last 20 years There's actually been several Incarnations of leases So anyone Givens person's lease That's changed from 20 years ago to now I mean, there's so many different versions To keep an ongoing list Of every change that's occurred To my knowledge, it never happened To the airport So really the lease that we just processed Came from the last incarnation of the lease Which was not the one that was signed 20 years ago But that came straight from the Risk department And if you go back through the lease You'll see the insurance requirements Change from year to year and stuff like that That was something that was Their recommendation I actually reached back out to them this morning To just get some clarification on that Haven't heard back from them yet So I'm just kind of waiting To see what they say Mr. Schuch I've been involved with Airport properties for 30 years I've never, never Even on commercial airports Monterey to be exact Heard of a one million liability On your personal vehicle It's just It's cost prohibitive Number one, number two Some insurance companies might not Even give you the insurance On a commercial vehicle Sure, I get that But not for individual And then I would ask What does the city do For, let's say The parking lot at the police department It's everybody that drives in there On airport or on, you know The city, do they have to have A million dollars? Why are they Just, you know Stating the airport tenants And that's kind of what I forwarded To the risk department and kind of asking Is like, well, what's it, you know What insurance providers Why are they saying they require this And really at this moment it's just I'm kind of hanging out and waiting Until they kind of get back to me And take it one way or the other And get an explanation for it Because everybody's going to be Parking out beyond the fence And walk into their hangar I'm not getting a million dollar Personal insurance on my vehicle The other question I had on that Just I think I know the answer Every single lease that gets signed Has to go to council Yes And the idea of the master lease Was we have generic language So that the airport advisory board Doesn't have to make a recommendation On every single lease that goes to council That we've done the recommendation one time But it's also a starting point And was said pretty expressly in the meeting That gives you some flexibility to change Recognize there's a difference between Changing a substantive requirement In the lease versus, you know The association with an individual tenant But every single lease still goes to city council So city council still has the opportunity to weigh in Everyone always has the opportunity To comment on it at council Or comment on it here if we need to make a recommendation That's true Correct Okay Thank you Anyone else have anything In the airport manager updates? Okay We have no information items tonight So we have two action items I will have a public Invited to be heard for each of these items But as we've done in the past I'll start out with us Let us talk about it We'll open up for a comment Any further discussion and then take a vote So our first item Is the sustainable aviation Resolution draft Leave I fill You guys are listed as a presenters Would one of you guys like to start that Discussion? Or I'm happy to Otherwise Would you like to start that? Thank you So the sustainability resolution That's kind of been passed back and forth We had an initial draft It went to the city And then it kind of went back to the airport advisory board And there were some revisions made So it's just kind of at a point right now Where I think we're pretty comfortable With having a final draft for that It should have been put out in the packets If I recall correctly So at this point I think it's kind of been through everybody's hands And some people's hands twice And we were just putting it up there If they want to move forward with the vote To approve it So thank you Kind of further that this If you remember we had a discussion I think this was probably October or November Where both You can't remember the department of the city But a city sustainability person And Longmont power communications person Were both presenting to us Talking through the resolution It was a much longer, more detailed resolution Russell did a lot of work to I think make it a little bit more targeted To the airport And to being a resolution As opposed to an ordinance Difference being resolution Please correct me Council Member Martin Resolution is a statement of policy intent It is kind of a direction we're going It is not binding It doesn't hold us to anything But it kind of expresses Where we'd like to go forward Thank you So that's what has Turned into the resolution that's in front Or I guess recommendation of a resolution That's in front of us There are two statements in the Whereas section that are not in this That we've gone back and forth on That I'd like to kind of add by motion As we get into the discussion I'll read those and then we can I'm not even officially Emotion at this point But I'll read them So we have them open it up for discussion Open it up for public comment So those two are Whereas electric aircraft now In commercial use are quieter The general aviation aircraft Driven with internal combustion engine And whereas reducing noise From repetitive short range activities Such as pilot training will improve Community relations with the airport And those get added in Really anywhere in the whereas I'll repeat those So first one I'll pause in between them So I'm not just reading them First one is whereas electric aircraft Now in commercial use Are quieter than general aviation aircraft Driven with internal combustion engines And whereas reducing noise From repetitive short range activities Such as pilot training will improve Community relations with the airport And so one of those The first one had some concerns Originally it was worth it A little bit differently but concerns Around the fact that the aircraft May not actually be quieter There's been a lot of discussion And some articles pointing out That at least some of the Electric aircraft now in commercial use Are in fact quieter And the second statement is kind of I actually think it's pretty cut and dry Reducing noise is probably better For community relations Doesn't actually tie to electrification directly So those are the two I would add That's my perspective I'm opening it up for any discussion anyone has And then we'll get anyone else as well Board members? Mr. Shalamateen Yeah I mean I'm not an expert In electrification of airplanes But my People who are much smarter than me Tell me that it's the propeller that makes Most of the sounds so I'm not sure about the first one And the second one I think that we should Encourage as many people to take up Aviation as possible so We have a future as an airport Because if there's not as many people I am concerned that maybe we are Getting ourselves out of an airport So I think we should Not include either of those And I would Respectfully disagree With both of those I recognize that there is A certain baseline for propeller noise I would say new ones are probably quieter But even so combustion engines Certainly generate their own noise And I absolutely agree I do not want to discourage anybody Who would like more and more of it But I would say quieter Is probably better for the community Period And again no No policy From this, no requirements from this But I would generally say having a quieter Airport is a good thing Mr. Dean Yeah I do think quieter airport would help I know people complain about the noise But a lot of them move next to an airport Is there any studies for actual decibels That you can say loud, quiet It's ambiguous What's loud to me might not be loud to you Do we have any actual Measurements that actually Have been taken To quantify or qualify what would be How quiet Or how loud an aircraft actually is I'm certainly not an expert in this I'm not going to claim to be But I have read several articles Talking about specific aircraft that are in operation They're not FAs certified So they're in operation elsewhere in the world That are in fact quieter But I can't give you a decibel number Council Member Martin Thank you Mr. Chair I would say You can drill down as far as you want In terms of modern propeller design And how much less Noise they make But it's not really Appropriate in a resolution To say any more than quieter Because unlike in an ordinance Where at some time In the future We might Want to restrict The airport to Certain propeller designs Although I don't think we can I think the FAA would have to do that But that's ordinance stuff The fact that We know that Much quieter propeller Technology is out there Is really Enough To put it in a resolution And as far as engine noise Well Electric planes don't have engines They have motors and if you've walked past To a Tesla when it's Pulling out of a parking place You know that they are dead silent So I don't really I research this when Russell was not Able to finish up And I did it with John Grunsfeld Who You know, is that kind of an engineer And would know And so I think we're pretty safe In saying that the propeller noise is quieter Thank you, Council Member Martin How's I Hit that one more time Nope, you're good That's a great point Council Member Martin You're right, it's the propeller That's the main function of that, right So associating that with The type of engine may not make As much sense, but I'm all for Mitigating noise whenever possible I just want to make sure that we're not Preventing people from Using the airport In ways that could Produce economic gain i.e. training others To use the airport To create more use of the airport Right Council Member Martin Yeah, thank you, a resolution actually Can't do that Again, as Harrison Explained, it's a Statement of intent And if you read it through There's nothing in it that says A classical airplane can't use this Airport The FAA has rules that says If it requires too long It can't use this airport And that's about the only restriction That We've got and it's not something that the city Can impose There's not any reason To worry about passing This restricting the use of the Airport And by the way, the first Electric plane Likely, I mean something could get ahead But the first plane Likely to be certified for Use by the FAA in the United States Is a training plane Because they want To train more pilots and it's very Much cheaper to use this kind of plane For training Because the Fuel costs aren't there Mr. Schuch I'm not Proponent of electric aircraft Number one To me Being at a 5,000 foot Elevation airport The amount of battery And the weight of the batteries The thrust I think it would be Dangerous to be honest with you Again I haven't read too many articles And I just think that I don't know I think we're a little early For That type of aircraft here In Longmont Myself, that's I would agree with you we're early But I don't know that that's a bad thing I think that's, I mean, so My personal perspective One, just because it was brought up Strongly would disagree with any resolution Ordinance anything that attempts to restrict Any particular type of aircraft from operating at the airport Period, full stop Two, electrification is coming The technology is not there today Appropriated Longmont today or tomorrow Or, you know, one or two years down the road But The city has made A, I think, push Across the city Towards sustainability It's a priority of the council There is going to be resolutions Like this coming and I'd like it to be Ones that reflect The best reality In aviation today from the experts And we are those experts for the city I also think Setting ourselves apart From other airports and being on that cutting edge Is a good thing for us Even if none of that comes to pass This doesn't restrict anything It doesn't You know, require anything to happen It Helps, say, have a little bit Of You know, proof that the city is thinking about this Is making this serious When, say, we're putting in for a grant for Electric charging stations Or going out and seeking funding From an organization or anything like that It does nothing beyond that Period Further board comments? I'll open a public invited to be heard If anyone would like to speak on this Please come on down Same rules apply as before Please start with a name and address I'll mail my comments I'm back just for the 940 Ranger Lane Longmont 80501 It was just a comparison from the The council approved in December 2022 To the What we were presented a week ago Those two documents So there would have been, if there weren't any changes Would have been real easy to track Anyone else that I would Suggest we stick to the resolution There is still another public invited to be heard At the end for any other business My name is Rick Basilere I live at 420 Nebraska Avenue in Berthard 80513 I'd like to speak to the Lease issue It seems like things are still pretty Fluid that nothing's down in In concrete yet As far as 20 years, 25 years renewals One thing that's just come to Public knowledge Is that Fort Collins Loveland Airport Is offering to the public 50 year leases Inexpensive leases And that's the way their term is So I'd just like to If you would take that In consideration When you're working on the fluidity Of this lease, thank you Thank you Melinda 1110 Twin Peaks Circle Longmont To the Resolution I live In Downwind And I can assure you That I can't hear propeller noise Because the engine noise is so loud Especially when you pull back You know At the mark and you pull back And a lot of backfire So I do I believe That the engine noise On a carbureted engine Internal combustion engine Anything the prop is going to produce And then the resolution Was Not like grandfathering out Any types of aircraft We'll still have jets We'll still have vintage aircraft Powered parachutes And other things that make a lot of noise That don't have a noisy prop I understand the master plan Has the decibel level Listed for what's acceptable And I know we Are at mile high So that's all on the record I want to say it's like 65 But that's just a gas So that was all challenged with mile high And so that's already been vetted For the noise level That's allowed and acceptable And while I'm not one to Want more government And more documents And more regulation I was encouraged By this that we could be at the forefront As Harrison was saying Let's get at the front of it Let's be the first ones It's going to be training aircraft We pretty well can see that That's where it's going to begin Whether that training aircraft Is going to be I remember hearing that it may not be Qualified For a regular private pilot license It may only be light sport Or something like that But whatever it's going to be If they come to our airport to recharge And go into the neighboring businesses That's what we'd like to encourage For sure And our unique situation With the city of Longmont In that the city owns the airport And the city owns the power company Longmont power and communication And that was always the marriage That made this particularly interesting To partner with LPC Potentially have A partnership on the field With charging stations Battery stations Things that LPC can leverage And that we wouldn't be negotiating With public service That deals with Denver and Boulder And all these other places So they're part of the family And it made it a very intriguing Resolution to be at the forefront Leverage our situation And see what electric aviation Is all about And get them out here so we can find out What's noise here I cannot hear There's one plane at the airport That had an extremely long prop That's all you can hear is the prop noise But I haven't heard him in a long time So that plane may not be on the field But I definitely would encourage you To pursue this to be on the forefront And be a leader And not a follower on this subject Thanks Thank you Would anyone else like to speak On this one Third Avenue Westminster 80020 Again I'm a little bit new to the meetings I missed that second part About the flight training If that could be presented once more If that's possible You're not supposed to have a back and forth here Are you asking just for the warehouses that we read Yeah, what was that actually That new revision I'm just going to read that Whereas reducing noise from repetitive Short-range activities such as pilot training Will improve community relations With the airport Okay So I'm a flight instructor by trade And it does sound like It would have an intent To reduce the amount of flight training Which I agree That could have significant economic damages Not just for the aviation community But for Longmont as well And if we want to Grow Vance brand as an airport And a transportation hub I believe that is going to be the hallmark For Vance brand As for electric Batteries I believe we do need to move Forward in technology I believe it's going to benefit Not only our Delicate climate Given that I'm young I don't have offspring yet Technology is only getting better And so the express intent I believe It is good for the State of Colorado as well as The country to know that There is more Support behind this technology Huge investors And companies already working towards this kind of Technology Will probably be more inclined to come To Colorado knowing that Colorado Is being the leader In moving towards this kind of technology So that could bring more Economic advantages as well If we do show that intent That is only my opinion And to express The fact that propellers do make Quite a bit of noise Because Propeller moving at 2100 rpms Will break The speed of sound And therefore a repetition Of post Mach 1 Will create a sonic boom Thousands of times per minute Thank you Thank you Would anyone else like To speak on the resolution Board members Any other comments on this Anyone want to make a motion Councilmember Martin I just want to Clarify one more time A resolution can't Prohibit anything So it would not be Able to restrict It would not for example restrict Pilot trainers to just Electric trainers at all It doesn't It doesn't change Vance brand in any way Except it improves It's likelihood of getting grants For electronic aviation And that's all So just Don't be scared of them That's what I want to say Thank you I would like Comments from the board If anyone on that second Whereas that I propose And I know you can't read it in front of you So I apologize But based on the comments there I'm actually rethinking the wording a little bit We have it written in there as Whereas reducing noise from repetitive Short range activities such as pilot training Will improve community relations with the airport On its own Get where the comments are coming from And I think You were getting this earlier And it wasn't sinking in with me I'm thinking of it in context Of electric aircraft But it's not worded that way So I'm wondering Either if we reword That to tie it more directly to electric Or just say reducing noise Will improve community relations Since Whereas before it would be Using electric aircraft Because I agree I don't want to discourage pilot training I don't want to discourage those activities Ideally they'd be quieter But that's ideal And we know that's not now So appreciate comments on that Mr. Dean, you were in first Yes, I actually like You said that to reword it for With public aircraft And that now just in general So I think that would be good to reward it Mr. Selmachin I completely agree with you I think your second revision is perfect Thank you And thank you for the comments on that Because I was not thinking about it that way But I see how it could be read that way And that was not the intent at all Any further comments? I'll make a motion then That we recommend that council Approves this resolution as is in your packet With The addition of Whereas electric aircraft now in commercial use Are quieter than general aviation Aircraft driven with commercial Internal combustion engines Whereas reducing noise Will improve community relations with the airport Would anyone like to second that? Moved and second And Mr. Dean, did you have comments on that? No, just a second Okay Does anyone have any comments on that? Then all those in favor of the motion Please say aye Any opposed? Thank you, we will recommend that The resolution as amended Is presented and adopted by council Second action item Is our annual report This was also in your packet This I will fully admit I am not as Adept at this as vice chair emeritus Jordan is Or was doing this so this is my best Attempt to kind of blend What you saw in January That was a straight list Of our accomplishments with a little bit more Let's call it marketing about the airport The impact on the community What we What we as a board do and what the airport does And provides to the community We are required Under I don't know Statute, city, chart or whatever The document is that establishes us To provide a report to council It does not determine the format at all But this is what I've come up with As a draft, I would love Comments, feedback from board members This is an action item so I will Do another public invited to be heard on this If anyone from the public would like to comment As well, but board members First Anyone have any comments, suggestions Taipos that I made Mr. Dean Yeah, I can make a comment I don't know if you added it in there There are a number of people on the airport Who are They own local businesses Around the country And to have a private airplane Makes it really important for them To be able to get to their businesses on time And be able to conduct and transact business Around the country We're kind of a local hub for a lot of Local business owners Yes, I don't have anything great on that Right now because I don't have a lot of data I've met a few people Local business owners that have aircraft To have them on the airport and they said That it saves them money They can't do their job They have to fly commercial It would take them as long to get Where they're going That's really important It would be a good note to have Anyone else No comments from board members Public, open public invited to be heard If anyone likes to speak on this Linda, welcome your comments On my lack of Making this as nice as yours I'm Linda Jordan, 11-10 Twin Peak Circle long month I got some information That was forwarded to you and me By what I didn't get Was Medical flights Flown by the phenome And I'd love to include that And we had the benefit of a Magazine article about them In the year prior We were able to share So I just need to get some data from them And I realized I haven't got I haven't followed up on getting that And then would be I think of value to add The economic impact For the areas surrounding the airport Which in my view would be First of all, flight deck grill And then Nelson and airport road Businesses there And then up to an even Businesses on the mall Where people would come in Get a car and run over And get something to eat Or do some shopping I don't know if we can Paint with that Broad of a brush into our plan But just the immediate area That's even within walking distance That I know I go into other areas and Park and go And What was the other thing? The revenues For skydiving are Remarkable And I haven't asked For that information but that would definitely Be worth pursuing to include in there Because the revenues From the skydiving operation Are remarkable And Any other businesses we have on the field Do have commuters We do have net jets coming in there Needing catering services So there's a lot more than Those of us putting around And making engine noise And propeller noise out there So I guess just to Once we get that framework in For these additional items Then it will live in perpetuity And make it easier next year To grab that data and plug it in I will do My part to help get Information forward towards you Thank you Colin Dillman 5521 West 103rd Avenue Westminster I just wanted to express that As stated earlier I do have interest In becoming the new fixed based Operator Many of this is already in my Interest such as Attracting And as a hub So that we can actually benefit the local communities I've already considered Ways to Increase transportation From the airport to the local businesses Many ideas While a car rental is convenient We also do want to think about sustainability And I do have Connections to Get electric bikes That can charge in outlets No Extra infrastructure to charge those Just need an outlet And Let's see what else I do have catering Interests While they may not be directly mine I do Intend to have some sort of Food service Around the Fixed based operation around the FBO However, I'm still very unfamiliar About Vance Brand's policies around Putting any type of food service I understand that there's a food truck But I don't know anything Further than that as In terms of I guess what's allowed But I do want to Help Vance Brand and the local Communities around it and we also do have A go to market strategy to Bring local businesses also To the airport So I just wanted to express That there are Individuals out there looking to Benefit the airport In all aspects Thank you Dave Copp Same address The annual report is still Severely missing data that's Usable. I mean it's a lot of blue sky Wonderful stuff but we still need to Know where the money is coming in And where it's being spent The law statement all it is Is here's what we plan to do I don't know where the money is being wasted But I've certainly seen some Very wasteful things being done And just FYI I've searched commercial airlines that are Electric and there are none in service There's none approved in Canada or the US By the FAA So they're all doing point to point testing But nothing's carrying people for Higher yet Anyone else Members then I'll close the public Invited to be heard on the annual report There are certainly things that are Missing in here Financials notably Some of the revenues Specific business owners or Kind of talk about that The economic impact statement I'm sorry airport economic impact is Something I added based on the Last annual report we got Significant questions primarily From member waters But from a couple council members About the impact and if the airport Was maximizing revenue for the city So this is using a Little out of date CDOT study But really wanted to highlight it Based on their feedback It's not something the airport did So it's a little hard to expand the radius Or look at something different But it should cover what's happening At the airport including skydive visitors Theoretically It was an airport manager ago So it's a little hard to know exactly What went into it at this time But my question for the board Is given the report that's in front Of you with the deficiencies With the missing pieces We can bring it back Next month With some more in it And vote to approve it we have the First half of the year to get this to Council or we can move it forward More or less as it is since It's kind of hard to vote on significant Missing pieces I think So that would be my question For everyone Mr. Dean I say that we get the missing pieces And kind of get everything updated And move it along to the council We have all of our ducks in a row Mr. Salamateen I want to commend you on your work On this first of all I know it's not easy to put on A document like this together But I do agree that there should be More financial information included Within this however It really depends on what the purpose Of this document is If this is like an executive summary Type document with those other Resources available elsewhere Then it doesn't necessarily need to be Included in here as long as That information can be linked to And be accessible elsewhere So I'm fine with moving this forward As long as the information requested For the financials are available Elsewhere So I think to that point The requirement that we have Is to report on our work activities As a board And that's really the Second true page That has Airport advisory board 2022 Work activities as the header That's our legal requirement to provide We've historically provided quite a bit more Because we view it as an opportunity I like that and that's why we have At least an incomplete More Comprehensive report But our legal requirement is Not even this Tell council what we've done for the year So I would argue this meets the Requirement I'd certainly argue though it could be Better and absolutely can be more Comprehensive and tell a better story Council member Martin my question I guess for you is a little bit on timing I'd certainly like you to have this Before you start talking about budget For the next year And I don't know if We're voting on this next month That means you see it probably in May If that's appropriate timing or Doing it faster is more relevant Yeah actually The Budget cycle Is not important to council for me It's important to staff For me Because Apparently there's this scary app That I don't get to see because I'm a council member But The staff Has to put in budgetary requests In the Spring I think May is the Deadline probably right For putting in budget requests And so This report would be sort of Grist for that mill Justifying budget requests And then The Financial staff will turn the crank All summer and come out with a budget That the council begins to see In August So that's the way the cycle Goes if that's helpful And Yeah you know As interested in Promoting the board you want to try To get data In front of These gentlemen sitting over here As early as possible So that they can be Diabolical in their uses of it And try to get As much as they can for the airport But In terms of it's being official Not so much you know So the work could Continue for the next month or so Because it doesn't have to Match up on a going to cycle Or going to council cycle Sorry about that But you do Want them to have Their hands on whatever Case you can make For the airport Fair that's very helpful Then I think I would turn the question To Levi and Phil Of I think You guys have heard loudly from the community From the board some of the desires For Things to do going forward grants CIP etc Is this sort of a document helpful For you advocating internally With Joni, Harold Finance or anybody Or does it matter If this is a couple months behind And council sees it when they're actually Approving budgets Does it make a difference for your internal advocacy And I can talk a little bit about that Phil you have better information To put in It certainly can't hurt Anytime we put information together To justify a case for ourselves And we can take that to council The more information the better As we get close To doing that budgetary stuff I could certainly see myself Having a good feeling Over a document like that Having said that I don't think it's anything to Sweat too much about I'm also capable of making a pretty good case For the stuff that we get at the airport Again love to see the information It's great But yeah do you have anything to add Well I think just in Our minds as you pointed out Page two is really what we need to do To be official And the other pieces of this Are very helpful when we are writing grants To put that information Into those grant requests So as we're going forward As we're working with the FAA And C-dot and other folks We can refer back to this And have a good baseline of The other important pieces and aspects Of this airport that we can put out there And try to go for additional funds for But again we've met the We've met the requirement that we need To keep the board You know keep the board function Of that report But the other pieces are going to be very helpful I'd like to commend you On what we've done so far I think that If we have a month or so And there's more information That can go in it I would say we Spone and Maybe put a little bit more in there If it's possible Anyone else Agree I don't know that we Necessarily need a motion then If we're not taking action Mr. Salmatian Yes, you got to use the mic Sorry I'm sorry I wasn't sure whether This information that we're looking to Include in the next iteration Is available elsewhere Or whether the only visibility of that Information would be in this New revised document that we will Then we'll be working on I think it's specifically the financials So We've historically Had financials In these board meetings At least occasionally I'm going to request it In the comments at the end here As we go forward But Right now I don't think they're Super accessible in any kind of Location They'll be in a budget that goes to council But am I missing Somewhere else that they are That's easily accessible We're just trying to keep The boards and commissions at the same Level of Intricacy I guess in detail as Each other so This board was asking for the financials And that's beyond what any other Board gets to see So we were Trying to remain consistent I think with all the boards and commissions And keep that Something that's done more at the staff level To take care of those issues This board is not At that level of Being able to make recommendations On how To spend dollars except when we get to the budget piece When we ask you specific items That need to go into the budget But when it gets to the very specifics about how Dollars are spent day to day That's really revised per view So We've been asked specifically by our city management To keep going with those Financials so That's part of what's on our What's kind of driving Why we don't keep putting those in I'm not sure how that started I guess it was a request maybe from Tim Barth back in the day And We'll see what we can do but There's certainly public records So we have publicly available records That can be provided to this board So I'm not worried about that To get into the idea of How you spent $43,000 On prairie dog removal we think it should be $40,000 That's not something we can really deal with At the staff level. We have to do what we need To do per FAA requirements So we have to move beyond the Detail pieces of that but we can provide The overview of the financials I understand that I would respectfully disagree That this is an enterprise fund And We recommend rates to council One of our objectives Is to increase revenue at the airport So I Do not want to be in the weeds I do not want to be saying $40,000, $43,000 Or anything like that but I think Having a pulse on it would be valuable And I really don't want to do that through Court requests We don't want you to have to do that either But what we'll do is we'll look at How they compare I think you have a fair and valid statement there So we'll look to see how Those enterprise funds report out as well And Historically it was monthly I don't necessarily know that we have To have a monthly pulse on it I don't know that there was a whole lot of Value in things that changed month to month But I do think keeping a better Pulse would be valuable Particularly since we recommend rates Which I think is probably a little different Than some of the other advisory boards Anyone else on annual report So if anyone has anything you'd like To have included or added Beyond the comments that were made Or some of the things that people said They might be able to track down I would ask to please get those In as soon as possible so we're not Making a last minute rush Given that I'm going to work on this Last minute so anything that's not in my Hands before I start doing that is probably Not going to make it in Hi I just have A tip on this Communication I'm the liaison to the water board Which is also an enterprise Fund and does also recommend Rates and So You and Ken Houston might get together And see what they do Because I don't know but There is a parallel there Thank you So we're out of action items I would move on to our final Public invited to be heard If anyone would like To bring up anything they haven't already Possibly on the air show or really Any topic whatsoever Just in case Melinda Melinda Jordan live in Tenton Peak Circle long month On the annual report I do think we at least the board Has to see numbers We are an enterprise fund we're supposed To be self-sustaining if we're blind What we're spending and bringing in We can't do that And the other thing That jumps out at me is that We had a $25,000 budget item For several years For the air show and we stopped Seeing the budget report And didn't realize that that item Had left the room And was no longer on there And so we are not having an air show In 2023 And it would take too long To get any kind of budget approval We've been talking about an air show For five years And 2023 We had a date We've been talking about it up here And it never made it And we've always been very transparent That the city in the past Had we had been able to Allocate $25,000 from our budget To go to the event And we were unaware that That had fallen off of the budget So there is no money for an air show No money for deposits There is no air show in 2023 Just to clarify So the open house will be for a Perspective 2024 air show And With time to then get it in front of council To request that that money be Set aside from the budget But again if we don't know what the budget looks like We don't even know if there's $25,000 in there So I think We're chasing our tail right now In Specifically with the air show But also just as the board You're trying to Advise Which would include economic impact And Business development And how to support that And It's all about money So we really need to be able to see I think it kind of It ends up being monthly But again you're flying blind Without that kind of information As we were with the air show So we've lost something That we've worked on for quite a while Due to not knowing That the money wasn't set aside any longer So I do recommend that At least the board If it's privy and not made public That's okay It's just the people who need to Be steering those decisions And be aware of what is Are we making money Are we paying our own bills We take a lot of criticism About our reduced Administrative transfer fee And because I know We don't have that much impact on the city As some of the other enterprises might Or at least that fee feels fair Where it's set now Given my understanding Of the impact And I worked with David quite a bit Trying to see even as a volunteer Some of those expenses So that we could get that fee lower So again that fee is going to change Probably it has been And is that being Are we being fairly represented And fairly billed for that fee And can we afford it Are we bringing in enough Fuel flowage And tower fees And lease renewals To even support our airport I don't know how we can have a discussion About a business without knowing If it's making money or not I encourage you to get the financials And then just to have it on the record That the year show has been called off For September 23rd, 2023 There's no future date set So the meeting on Saturday Will be the beginning Toward that process Potentially Thank you Dave Copp again, same address I know it sounds like the Cost is a minor amount But just in the last Two weeks, it's gone from 30,000 to 43,000 You know, per the discussion I've just heard And I know that Levi's been talking To people at Coffee Break Or at Elite that You know, they stopped dropping Prairie Dogs off at the airport years ago Well, I don't believe that's true And sooner or later I'm going to have evidence Somebody else is still dropping them here And the bottom line is 43,000 is not Minor, you know, last time I saw An income statement from here That was probably 10% of our income And it certainly probably matches The income we get off the Cellular Tower So it's not a huge Income that we have And throwing it away when somebody else Is planning these things And we've got cameras They've got cameras out there To get out who's doing this They don't just happen Once you get rid of them, they Somebody's bringing them back Anyone else like to speak at our final public Invited to be heard? Seeing no one, I'll close public Invited to be heard and we were on to Board Council and staff comments Board members first, Mr. Dean Yeah, for Levi, I wasn't aware that They had pulled 25,000 That was really interesting Do we have any information to Again, and who or how That happened, if we traditionally Had money set aside for an air show So the last Time that the board voted to actually have An air show was actually conducted After budgeting was set for that year And I'd like to use your question As an opportunity to answer It was brought up that we just didn't have the money To do it, that's not necessarily true I actually went to City Council and we Were going into the progress of getting a procurement To actually get all that money Getting the money actually isn't a huge deal It was told to me we could get that Certainly by September 23rd So that's not that big of a hang up I think the biggest hang up was We're this far along in the year And essentially no real planning Has been done So, I mean This meeting we're having Saturday I was going to kind of throw it out there Everybody comes, you know, what kind of Interest can we get, what kind of People can we get moving on this So, I think we're going to have a A lot of people that are interested In option, my gut tells me that Because of where we're at, probably not Last time I did an air show it was two years Of planning, by this point We were having lots of meetings And we were sorting out volunteers And parking and stuff like that So I don't think it's Super practical But I want to have that discussion With everyone else who's interested In being a part of an air show We have on here ideas for future Agenda items or 2023 work plan Any thoughts on either of those I know we talked through 2023 work plan A little bit in January So fine if that doesn't change any future Agenda items beyond having Financial updates that we've covered No Mr. Salamateen Go ahead Seeing that we have A ambitious young person Interested in taking over the FBO I know there's a lot of talk from Owners that they're being Very satisfied with The operations of the current FBO I think we should talk about What we can do to Improve the airport by Potentially Improving the FBO situation Are you suggesting that's an agenda item For the future? The process would be for that I'm in favor of having that on a future agenda I'd probably put that as An information item And we can have a discussion Anyone else? Any other comments from you this evening? Yes I would just like to thank you For passing the sustainability Resolution It will Make some people tomorrow At the city council retreat I'm happy I know it was kind of painful getting Everybody aligned That this is a forward looking thing That's not going to change anything So I appreciate you Doing the painful work Of getting there And You know It's going to do some good And I think That A lot of things A lot of good things will come out of it The FAA by the way Is looking at a special approval For the pipestrel trainer So It's not as far away as It sounds Thank you council member martin Mr. shuck you had something Yeah With only four board members Is there any way to Do the application process Early to maybe Get three more Board members That is a great question I look to the city staff I know there's a mid-year recruitment Any details on that or any way we can do it We actually already kind of asked about that Is there any way we can have like a special You know a little They told us no not really via our rules So unfortunately we're kind of stuck Do you know when the next recruitment cycle is That I don't have off the top Alright council member martin Sorry I do The Applications will begin being accepted On Monday So it's opening up real soon now You have six weeks And Yeah so it's not really That long to wait You know you have to I'm sorry you have to get along with only four members For this amount of time I am Doing an outreach To try to get A more diverse population Of board members And I was originally Thinking that maybe it does not apply To the airport so much But maybe it does because Is that upholstery business Still out at the airport Or were they a casualty of the pandemic To my understanding I was looking into them A little bit too I can't find any information on recently I think they're no longer there Oh well But anyway yeah There's going to be some Little Reminders that you can apply On Longmont public media On channel 8 880 And on the city website And All kinds of things that We can look and make people More comfortable I'll send Harrison Some links when they're up And He can send it out to the board Yeah and also when I have I'll post it in the FBO and get stuff posted Stuff like that too so hopefully we get More interest perhaps Right we can get you some even if People are not seriously Comfortable with being online They're going to accept Paper applications this year So we can maybe bring you A little stack of them Yeah Thank you Councillor Martin Thank you Mr. Shook for bringing that up When we had our last Selection process which was at the end Of last year There were three Positions open to Members who terms were ended I guess three members whose terms were ended Melinda was one of them, I was one of them We had two applicants For the three places So we And now we're down to four of us instead of the five We started with so Would really encourage anyone who is a Longmont resident Who meets the requirements to please Please please apply And be a part of this It is rewarding Frustrating at times but it's kind of fun And very rewarding to influence How everything's going at the airport Staff comments Levi, Phil anything we missed I think I covered the ones I covered With the air show and stuff like that Do you have anything in addition Okay No other comments from board members We will adjourn Thank you everyone for being here Being part of it


Hello, hello, hello, hello. Say hello to everybody, well they're not here yet but it will be tomorrow. Say hi. It's my mum, I love him.  So, not for you my love, not for you. Sending all over my cards. That's not the funny little things, it's not really the time to sit there is it? So I don't know who's about tonight, it only has the morning but you're going to knock all my cards flying. Hello, hello Vera. There's Vera, say hello to Vera. Say hello to Vera. So how are you doing Vera? Are you coping okay? It's now 7am where you are. So, wow. I just have time to do myself a little flask. Right, so we're going to do the air signs now, okay? So we're doing the air signs. Yeah, he is giving the mixture energy, aren't you? He's lovely. He gives me strength, good, I'm pleased. Okay, right, so I'm going to give you a shuffle while I do the announcements, okay? So Paul Vera's had to sit through all of these four times, the announcements. So I do apologise Vera. So just an update on Greg. Our lovely Greg was the reason why I did an urgent shout out for Greg was because he was having a very bad start to the morning. He was in lots of pain, abdominal pain, he was finding it difficult to breathe and he was not able to sleep as well. So he assures me he is getting better but it's still really, really hard. And yeah, so he's finding that very, very difficult. He is basically, I mean there's nurses and doctors coming in and out all day long, which is great because they're looking after him. But of course it's interruptions all day long and through the night, okay? So he loves his sleep and if he doesn't get to sleep, of course he's uncomfortable as well. So he's not getting enough of that. So the sooner he can get himself well enough and we can give him enough healing, then he can get home and that's when he's resting I think will begin. Yeah, so I've just gone into that. Lovely, I've just explained about Greg. So Greg is doing better but he was having a very bad day. So, you know, he's doing okay and he did assure me that he is getting better but it is hard for him. So yeah, I don't mind losing. Okay, so the other things going on is if you would like to support this lovely man, he is doing so much for awakening people. He's done it for many, many years and a lot of people have said that he was part of their journey and it means a lot to everybody. So the way that you could help Greg is by supporting him via Patreon for as little as $1.11 a month or just a one-off donation. This is his main job, of course, being self-employed, being in hospital. It's going to be tricky. So he is very supportive to everybody out there for articles and things like that. So if you wanted to support him, it's patreon.com and it is forward slash in 5D if you want to. And he does a giveaway of a t-shirt once a month to people in his Patreon family. And the next giveaway, fingers crossed, if he's out of hospital, he's okay. 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So it's like really, really you're doing this now.  So we have to answer it and put the phone down. Just keep saying Aries please. Like, I'm doing this for free. I've done Aries. Please stop. Yeah, it's really not right that you do that. Some people, they just don't have a clue, do they?  That's the second time it's run. Okay, hopefully that's sorted it. I don't mean to get grumpy but that is just not right. So anyway, where was I? Yeah, so in 5D Club, so join in there if you want to, if you want to meet like-minded people. A lot of people I've been reading for, they're from all different sides of America and all over the world and they need to connect with people and they're not able to connect with people. So yeah, so it is sometimes nice to have that connection and in 5D is a good way of doing that. And also my readings at the moment, if you wanted to reading with myself, some of the classes are half price, the one-to-one classes, half price. And the readings, there's a sale on that moment just for the next few days and this is for, they are 10 pounds, 10 dollars off, okay, some of the readings. And some of the counselling, psychic counselling, psychic counselling is going to stay cheaper. I'm going to keep that one cheaper because I think, you know, if people are feeling low out there, you know, they need to be able to afford that. And if anybody's out there and they haven't got it, just tell me, okay, and we'll come to some arrangement, I promise. Okay, so the other thing is, that's going on, is every Monday, if you wanted to join in with a psychic development class, every Monday it is 7.30 p.m., that's UK time, which works at 2.30 p.m. Eastern, okay, 11.30 a.m. Pacific. So that's five pounds or six dollars, that's every Monday. So if you wanted to join in with a psychic development circle, you can. Saturday, the 5th of December, that is probably today for a lot of people, is Karen MacDonald is coming and she's doing a workshop. And she's going to be talking and demonstrating the genius, the biofeedback genius machine. It is an amazing, amazing machine. This machine, it basically, from your voice and from a photograph of you, it can give you an overview of your health, okay, and anything that is kind of lacking, minerals, any ailments in your body. And this machine knew things that I hadn't told anybody about from before. So how it works, I've no idea, but it's very futuristic. And they do say that we are a thousand years behind, you know, what they've actually got. So, you know, they talk about med bids and all sorts of things, don't they? Well, this is basically what she does. Okay, so she's going to teach you about this. She's also going to do a live demonstration of it and also write some codes for everybody. Okay, so she's going to ask you to pour yourself a glass of water and she's going to charge that water up with some sound waves and that will be healing for you. So that is what she's going to be doing. She's also connected and helps heal the children that are being rescued, okay, from, you know, the tunnels and the abuse and everything that is going on, the satanic abuse. So these children are being rescued by the thousands, okay? And they are needing to be. It's not just children, it's adults as well. You know, some of these children have never seen the light of day, okay? So it is awful. So she's got, she can give you information about that, questions if you want to talk about that. And she will also, there's lots of other information. She also works with a lady called Patty Brassard, who she's coming on the 19th of Saturday the 19th of December for questions and answers. Patty is linked with the military. So she is an advisor to Trump and she has connections with Q. So there's a lot going on, okay, at the moment. So Karen is the Saturday the 5th of December and Patty is the Saturday the 19th of December, 10 a.m. okay, Eastern time, 3 p.m. UK time. Okay, for Karen it is 2 p.m. and that is 9 a.m. Eastern. Okay, so, and then both the Saturday classes are always 10 pounds or $12. Okay, if you can't afford to come but you want to come, please contact me and I'm sure we can make arrangements for that. That's fine, okay. Saturday the 6th of December is, that's this Sunday, sorry, this Sunday the 6th of December, is Elaine Thorpe, trance medium. Elaine Thorpe is a wonderful, very quietly spoken lady. But when she goes into trance, she has a gentleman's voice. She has a man's voice, spirit guide. And what is touting on here for them to have readings for inbox me for your free spiritual reeling consultants? Really, don't you think that's a little bit cheeky, love? Block. Cricky, I'm really coughing it tonight. So, I've blocked. So, another one for the block list. Okay, it's just a joke, isn't it? I did say that this was all going to happen last week. I didn't actually predict it. There was going to be lots of kind of confrontations and people that are going to get on your last nerve and that you've got to try and stay very sane and very happy and la, la, la, la. So, I'm trying, I'm definitely trying. Anyway, Lane thought her spirit guide, Jonathan Hunter, Victorian gentleman, you can ask questions directly to spirit. Okay, and he will give you information about your love one so you can ask him directly about your love and get to them straight through. Okay, so it's actually amazing. Saturday the 12th of December, tarot tuition level two. So, if you haven't come to level one, it's okay. I still got over all the cards in level two. So, this is okay for beginners to come as well. And that's it. That's what's going on at the moment. So, as Greg was saying, without further ado, he always says that I miss him. It's not the same without you, Greg. Anyway, we're doing air signs. So, this one's for him as well. So, Aquarius, Gemini and Libra. Okay, Greg is a triple Libra. I've got Libra rising. Okay, so we'll start off with Aquarius and then we do Gemini and then Libra. Okay, so let's have a look. Let's have a quick slurp of drink. Honestly, I get a lot of people who try and say hello from Australia, hello, Di, coming on to the lives and trying to say, if you'd like a reading, please come to me. It's like, it's not ethical. It's like, how would they like it if I did it? It doesn't mean come to them and tell them the thing. Tell them on their business. It's not right. Anyway, it just makes me giggle. Okay, so let's have a look at what's going on. Okay, so who are we doing now? We're doing Aquarius. Okay, so Aquarius people. So this is for the 7th of December through to the 13th of December. Okay, so starting off the beginning of this week. Okay, for Aquarius. Okay, lots of different personalities. Lots of different people trying to get on with each other. Okay, well, I'm just picking out more and more personalities. I've got four personalities here. Okay, so we have four, one after the other, after the other. Okay, so this is, there's two of them that are quite immature and two of them more mature. Okay, so you've got somebody who's very bubbly, funny, a bit sarcastic. Okay, you then have somebody who is sarcastic. This person has got kind of a spoiled feeling about them where they want everything and they want to give nothing back. Okay, so this sort of personality is around you as well.  So this person isn't very good with their finances or they aren't earning enough themselves and therefore they're getting into a bit of a pickle with the finances. And then we've got somebody who likes the sound of their own voice and can be quite opinionated and this person is around you also. And this is all the beginning of this week. Okay, so you can see all these personalities. They're all quite lively, kind of vibrant personalities with very clear definite agendas and feelings and sometimes that will clash as well. Okay, there is somebody who is ready and willing to earn more money and wants to know how to do it. So I do feel that this is connected to you but I think that you're talking to somebody else about it, about maybe a way of getting together and earning some money together, doing something that will help each other out in some way, bartering and doing that to kind of banter situations. So I see that. Emotionally, feelings if I've got to let my emotions go or I've got to let my guard down. Now this feeling of letting your guard down is going to be linked to a relationship that has had a lot of complications in the past. These complications, they're not going to get any better unless there is a new understanding happening and able to branch and connect back. Okay, so I feel that there is having to deal with things, having to go to the heart of the matter and deal with whatever this situation is. And going forward, okay, it just feels as if you have got to somehow look to the future, look at the future more brightly and definitely it's like stop looking behind and look ahead because it feels as if there's some sort of emotional stuff that is being dredged up from the past and the past is not going to make anything better. It is only going to make things more complex. I feel that there'll be a sudden change and I feel that this will be linked to standing your ground. Okay, standing your ground and I feel that it will come out of the blue. I'm going to stand my ground. I'm not going to back down. I know what I want now, okay. And there is somebody who is very good with money around and I feel that this, actually it's you. So it seems to be a self-employment situation that is going to bring about some good finances or a chance to earn some good money. This will be all starting out very, very soon around the middle to the end of this next week which will be around the 13th, maybe even going on to the 14th of December. So there's a chance here of following your dreams, following your wishes and that's how strong it will feel that you are actually experiencing being able to win. It feels as if it's like a winning feeling of, finally I'm able to do this, finally this is all working out for me and following your dreams. Now there are still some complications but not as many, okay. And I feel that this will all start to change and I can see the legal paperwork or official paperwork that will soon be sorted out to make things easier for you on a financial level or linked with your dreams so that you can be supported financially, okay. So that is what is going on with Aquarius, okay. All right, so Gemini's, let's have a look at Gemini's, okay. All right, so the start of the week, boost of confidence is coming your way. We're starting off the beginning of the week for Gemininians with feeling very happy, very confident, very bright and cheerful, okay. There seems to be people that you might have had studying plans with, studying, learning things, development, researching, looking into things and that lovely, it's like a buoyant happy feeling and the reconnection. So these people you have either worked with before, connected with and this is like, you know when you don't have to be around somebody all the time to still feel that familiar feeling where friendships feel like family and it's like everybody is very pleased to see you, you're pleased to see them and it's just a lovely kind of feeling. So I still see as if there's going to be some study and learning and development coming up as well, okay. And this will be linked to this good feeling as well, this boost of confidence. Lots of changes happening around the middle of this week. I feel that these changes you're going to have to go with it, go with the changes, don't look back. It's time to kind of enhance how life has been treating you and what you've learned from life and being very philosophical, maybe doing a bit of soul searching as well, Gemini. Now I can see that the flirtatious you, this fun sexy side is coming out. If this isn't you, this can be you being around somebody else who's got a fun flirtatious side, okay.  This temptation could be to do with money, work or love life, okay. This temptation you are going to have to weigh up the odds back and forth. I feel that this is coming directly because there's some changes that are happening, okay. Everything is starting to happen. And as things start to happen and develop, you are, yeah, you're weighing up this pros and the cons, okay, about the future pathway and what it is that you actually do want to do. Okay, I can see re-rooting, talking about re-rooting or moving, maybe kind of looking at different options to move. Okay, it's like I can either stay where I am or I can move there. If I move there, then I've got to give up this all. Just to me, so it's like weighing up of whether or not this is the right thing to do or not. There are some new ideas going off around, in your mind and new ambitions that are triggered by these brilliant ideas. These ideas are on your life path. It's like something that you have always wanted to do and are quite excited about doing. And I feel that there has been a little bit of treading on eggshells around these new beginnings and maybe taking a chance and doing that move or taking on that responsibility and not looking back. Okay, and I feel that these changes are, for some of you, it will be linked with career work and career work and money. For others of you, it will be linked with your personality and whether or not it's time for you to take that leave of faith, whether to come outside of your comfort zone. You've been treading on eggshells around too many people recently and maybe it's time for you to say I'm bored of that now and I might upset you by my opinion, but I've got to give my opinion. So now be careful with that because I've said that in the last week and it seems as if it's coming up this week as well, where people are getting misunderstood. There seems to be a lot of confusion over how people are feeling on a psychic level and I feel that there is a lot of kind of messing about with the psychic ability of people from other sides. So try and keep as grounded as possible, try and keep as protected as possible because there are some odd things going on, odd behavior and odd feelings, feelings that you wouldn't normally have. I feel that things are going to start to change again and this is for the better and that will be around the end of the week where all of that feeling of fuzzy-headed, I can't make up my mind and I don't understand my psychic ability and I don't understand my feelings. That's also going to start to clear out by the end of the week and you will have put up some new boundaries or some new protection or some new kind of restrictions with somebody close to you. It's like, that's okay, but that's not okay. Don't do this, but I'm okay with that. So unfortunately, we don't like being bossy but sometimes we have to be because sometimes it can actually stop a row or an argument sometimes. So sometimes we have to say, well, that's the end of that. There's draw a line under that. I'm emotionally letting go of this and I will move on now. Okay, so there you go. That is for Geminis or Gemininians. Okay, so we are now going into Libras. Okay, so Librians. This is for my love. This is for my Greg. Thanks for me as well because I'm a Libra rising. Okay, let's see what's in store. We want the Good Health card. We want the Moving Forward card, the Wheel of Fortune. What else could I want for you? The Ten of Cups, Ten of Pentacles. What else would I want for you? Yeah, definitely the Wrapping up and Cottonwall card, the Yellow Blanket card. I think it's the Seven of Swords, I think. No, it's not Seven of Swords, it might be Eight of Swords. Anyway, let's have a look. So this is Libra. Reuniting with somebody that you have missed, that you haven't been able to be around, there's a reuniting feeling. There's also a demissive feeling of going away from somebody who you need to block, okay, or you need to get rid of. It's like coming to the end of that or stopping some sort of communication, either emotionally. So yeah, it films as if there's been a complicated emotional feelings going on and there has been a block or there has been disruption, okay, with that. Now somebody from the past, this could be linked with the past life feeling or it could be linked with somebody from your past being around you and a feeling of I've got to walk away from that, okay. There has been and a feeling of an appointment. Okay, can't get over this. We've got the Doctor's card. Okay, the Doctor's card. So obviously this is Greg's, so you can see the Doctor's side. There's about information that is going to come from a Doctor. Okay, now usually if I wasn't kind of knowing it's for Greg for other people, it could be Doctor Solicitor, Bank Manager, State Agent, interview for a job, some changes that are going on maybe that involve a meeting, okay. So I feel that there's links with the Doctor, there's links with letting go, walking away emotionally and reuniting with somebody from the past. Okay, going on there. There's rerouting. So rerouting could mean for Greg, it could mean going back, going away from hospital because he's also got the new beginnings card, the endings and the beginnings and a feeling of I'm bored. Okay, or I've been bored. I'm bored now. Now for other people who might not be in Greg's situation but then I would say that there has been, it's like a feeling of the end of that, drawing a line under a situation and this is linked with home, rerouting or moving. Okay, and a feeling of I've had enough of it. I'm bored. I don't want to be there anymore or I've decided, I've made a change and I've decided things. And this can be about accommodation. It can also be about the workplace that you're in. Okay, now I said to you about the yellow blanket and I said it was a Seven of Swords. I think I said it was Seven of Swords. So that card has come up for Greg. I also said the Wheel of Fortune as well. So that's come up for Greg as well. We said I'm coloring around the edges of my cards. It's only because they look so tatty that there's lots of energy around them. So I've done some in gold and some in black. Anyway, Wheel of Fortune changes. Things moving on, things moving on for the better. Okay, and this is the health card wrapping up in cotton wool. Okay, and then we have the eight of pentacles which is looking into things and researching. So I feel that this is probably, you know, anybody for Greg, it would mean that he's researching and looking into maybe some sort of study. That could be for his work, could be for in 5D. It could be for what things he should be eating and what things he shouldn't be eating. So it could be to do with that. But there is the new feelings or new beginnings and changes of the health. So there's also me, if it's Greg's reading. So we've got the Pisces card. Okay, so this is Pisces character or somebody who is bubbly, a bit scatty, changeable with their energies and can be flirtatious. So that is me or for other people it could be yourself. You're feeling like that. Okay, just because you are a Libra doesn't mean say you can't act like this. Okay, at certain points in your life. But this is either how that person is feeling or it's a character that's coming into your life. We've got the self-employed card, the card that says I want to get on with my work, I want to get on with what I've got. So I feel that he will be coming home this next week. Okay, and you've got the World card, which is a good outcome to whatever you are worried about. Everything is going to work out really well. Okay, so that is for Libras. I quite like that for Greg there. And for you guys, Libras, that was a good reading, I think. So, yeah, so anyway, that's me done. Yeah, so hello MD. So thank you for joining me, everybody. I know it's very, very late out there and I really do appreciate Vera for staying up with me in place of a pregnant woman. I really do appreciate it. Hopefully I see you tomorrow, Vera. It's going to be good. And I've had a lovely time. And, you know, take care and I'll speak to everybody tomorrow. Okay, so it's, well, tomorrow later today, won't it? So, yeah, I'm doing a workshop later today at 2 p.m. England time, UK time. Okay. Bye for now.


Hey guys, it's Liana and I'm here today to talk about deadly education by Naomi Novik.  That sin, because so many people told me that spinning silver, they thought I'd lying better, even though I didn't like uprooted. I was not writing Naomi Novik off as an author that I won't ever like and I still intend to try spinning silver because I just can't learn my lesson, but I hated deadly education. However, I hated it for entirely different reasons than I hated uprooted. So she's making different mistakes. It's kind of not my fault. I was right that this would be really different from uprooted. It is really different from uprooted and I hate it for totally different reasons. So I may very well end up hating spinning silver, but I'll bet it'll be for different reasons again. So deadly education, I couldn't pass it up. Probably I showed up. This is kind of following the trend of dark academia, which is really popping these days, which I'm buying without a lot of dark academia, so I'm all for it. That's why I thought I'd give this a go anyway. It's kind of like a dark Harry Potter. It's a school for witchcraft and wizardry. However, instead of being a magical place of wonder and some danger, the whole thing is just constant danger to the point of not feeling dangerous. So this book is pretty short. So is Harry Potter. And Harry Potter does a much better job of introducing you to a world, enough that you understand the world, but not so much that it removes all mystery and introducing you to characters and just kind of introducing you to a world and characters and magic and stuff, also telling a story that you're interested in. I know we all hate Harry Potter because J.H. Rowling is a witch. Ironic. It's still a better book. So I'm just singing. It is. Deadly Education. You know how in Mean Girls, there's like the voiceover explaining to you the sort of social hierarchy of the cafeteria, of the lunchroom and how social stuff works in high school? Deadly Education is like that voiceover for an entire book filled with deadly magic. And it's so annoying after about two seconds. Like I was willing to forgive how info don't be and how much exposition I was getting in the beginning and I was like, because, okay, we're getting introduced to a world. It's not my favorite way of delivering that information but fine, you'll get us caught up and then we can have this story. Except the entire story keeps stopping to give us some more information about the world. And it got to the point where I was like, look, you either need to find a better way of explaining this shit to us, have footnotes, have a glossary in the back or just, you know what, leave it mysterious because we do not need to know all this stuff. Leave some of it for us to figure out or it doesn't need to be explained because this feels like reading an encyclopedia. It's like reading Ikea instructions for a school of deadly magic. And it's not fun, not even a little bit. And at least if you have a situation where a character is asking a bunch of expository questions or being asked a bunch of expository questions and then in dialogue we get a lot of slightly unrealistic but helpful exposition because of these questions of like, well, what is this place? Why would they do that? Well, they might do this because of XYZ, at least. Then we are developing the personalities of the characters while we are getting told this information. However, our main character in deadly education has no friends and is kind of a loner. So she's thinking exposition to herself or thinking it at the audience. So we're not even getting characters developed in an expository dialogue.   And it's kind of bookended by like some slightly quippy jargon to kind of like, as if it's gonna trick you into thinking this isn't happening, that these are not infodumps but they are infodumps. And just because you start your infodump by saying like, and wouldn't you know it, we did it this way instead of the way that people usually do it and then a paragraph of how people usually do it. Where it's just like, it's just still like an encyclopedia entry. I don't care that you began it with a quip and ended it with another quip. It's, the quips are annoying. They're not funny and they're not tricking me. This is all just infodumps. And then after all of that info dumping, the truth is this world doesn't actually make much sense. Every time I was getting more and more info dumped at me, I was like, I'm not being swept away by a story. So like maybe there's a million things that don't make sense about Harry Potter but it's kind of like a fun story to get lost in. So you kind of like, it doesn't kind of really matter to you that much while you're reading it. You're like, I guess if I think about it for too long it probably doesn't make sense. But like I'm having fun here. There isn't much of a story because it's really just constantly infodumping at you. And so I spend my whole time thinking about how none of that actually makes any sense and how this is not a sustainable way for a school to be. And no one would go here. No one would do this.  And why do I care about any of this? And I don't even like the main character. All she is is a vehicle for exposition and occasional quips. And she's not funny. She's not sympathetic. None of her emotional motivations make any sense. Like literally make no sense. The few times that she was actually making decisions that are kind of like plot and emotional decisions rather than giving us info dumps. Every single time she would even think to herself as like once again, as if to trick the audience into thinking that like, oh, but it's actually fine, except it's not fine. She would think to herself how like, it would really make more sense for me to feel X, Y, Z. But I didn't. Okay, but why though? Because you're absolutely right. It would make a lot more sense for you to feel the way that you just said you should feel. So please tell me why you don't feel that way because humans don't work like this. If the stuff that she thought was her motivation she would actively think to herself, well, even though that was my motivation this whole time, you know what? I don't actually want that. And you're like, okay. So what do you want?  All I have is what you tell me to go off of.  So who even are you? What do you want? Why do I care? I don't care. For a short book it was a slog and I never felt suspense or danger. Even though this school, like people are dying all the time. And it's like a regular occurrence at the school and it's treated so casually that I as the reader felt no suspense. I felt no danger. I felt no excitement. I mean, Harry Potter, like again, like the school is kind of needlessly dangerous, but I would still feel suspense like the dark forest or them going into like sections of the Hogwarts castle that are not supposed to be, you'd feel like, uh-oh, like something could happen. Something might be dangerous. Uh-oh. Voldemort. Yeah, everything is constantly so dangerous that it ceases to mean anything. There's no point of reference. There's nothing, there's no counterpoint to it. There's nothing to balance it out.   This regularly does kill people. This almost killed me. This is about to kill me. This will probably kill me tomorrow.  It's just, it's not badass. It's just not believable. I hated it. I hated it so much. I hated it probably worse than Uprooted. Because it's almost, it almost felt here like, so Uprooted has an extremely soft magic system. Here, this is arguably a more hard magic system because you're going to a school for it. There's rules that are constantly constantly being info dumped at you. But honestly, the rules don't make a whole lot of sense, especially if you think about them for more than two seconds, which you don't have anything else to think about because there isn't much of a plot. So I kept thinking to myself that like, it felt like she, because she had such a soft magic system before and uprooted that she was like, well, now this is a hard magic system. So I really got to spell out all these rules all of the time. And I'm like, no, you can let us learn as we go or you can have a character that doesn't really know things and have them like have us learn with the character, there's options for this, but you didn't do either of those. So like if she had left it where like characters kind of are talking amongst each other about things they already know and then you as the reader have to pick up from context clues what's going on, at least then you feel like you're discovering things as opposed to just having somebody spew explanations at you, like reading a manual and you're like, well, that's not fun. You're just spewing an encyclopedia entry about this school at me. I'm not absorbing any of this. I don't care about any of this. It was awful. It was terrible. I gave it two stars because it's very basic level, the concept of a really dark kind of version of Hogwarts that's more deadly, more adult. I'm all for that. That sounds like a cool premise, but this was so horribly, horribly executed that just all the yikes, all the yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes. So let me know in the comments down below if you've read Deadly Education, if you liked Deadly Education, if you like Naomi Novick's other books, if you hated Uprooted as well, if you like me, we're willing to give this another chance and we're let down or you're afraid you will be known from my review. Whatever you wanna let me know. I post videos on Saturdays, also at other random times, but definitely Saturdays so like and subscribe and I'll see you when I see you. Bye.