Hello, everyone. I wanted to take a few moments today to talk about some of the newer features or more, I guess, troubling features of ReconNG, those that I've had questions about, those that people have expressed concerns about, and some that are just new and different than what you may be used to. Okay, so jump right in. Here you can see I'm at the interface of ReconNG. If you type in help here, you'll see that there's quite a few commands in there. Some of them are familiar to you. Some of them may not be, such as add, delete, workspaces, and we'll talk about some of those moving forward here in the next few minutes. So the first command I want to talk about is the workspaces command. So the workspaces command has been implemented to manage all aspects of the workspaces before I had the ability to just add them, and there wasn't, and show them, and list them, but there wasn't the ability to remove them, rename them, or do anything like that. So I've added this particular command to provide that functionality. If we type in workspaces here, and we tab complete, we see, or we just hit enter and look at the help, we see that there's a couple of options. We have the ability to list, add, delete, and select our workspaces. So list is the same as it's always been, same as the show workspaces command. It's just going to show you the available workspaces that you have. And as you can see here, I've got quite just a couple of workspaces in there. The add, pretty much self-explanatory, workspace, add something, and you'll see that if we do workspaces list again, that you've added the workspace. And you also notice that it automatically switched over to that workspace. So by adding a workspace, you're automatically going to be also selecting it and moving into that workspace. Now deleting a workspace kind of works as the opposite. If we go to workspaces, delete something, you'll notice that we switched back to the default. So whenever you delete a workspace, obviously, if you're in that workspace, you can't continue to be there because none of that data will exist. It actually goes into the reconNG directory and removes that directory. So what it does is it tosses us back to that default workspace, which is okay. It's expected behavior. So if we go in here in workspaces and select, we notice tab complete, list all of our workspaces for us. We can pick a workspace and we're in and we'll just stick with the default for now. So that's pretty much workspaces. Now I have left a couple of alias commands built into the show command. We're going to talk about show command more here in just a second. But if you go into show workspaces, it pretty much gives you the same output as workspaces list. It is essentially an alias there. So you've got a couple of different places where you can get that information for those of you that are used to using the previous command. So this show command, what is show all about? Well, those of you that have been using the framework for any period of time know that the show command is where just about everything is, probably the most common command you'll use within the framework. So if we do show and we hit enter, you'll see that there's a lot of different options here. It's probably better seen using tab complete. So if we take a look at this, you can look at the banner and you've got a bunch of different options in here, things like dashboard. Those of you should be familiar with dashboard. It kind of shows you a summary of everything you've done. But what are all these other things in here? Well, the show command basically creates, it automatically creates a query that selects all the records from each of the tables stored in the database. So anytime you add a table here or for all the tables that are built into the database, they automatically have a command associated with them that allows you to see all of that information. So here if we do say show hosts, we'll see that no data returned because there's no host in there. That's fine to be expected to this point. But that pretty much is a query that says select star from hosts and it'll dump all the hosts to the screen. So this is kind of handy. These will automatically be created anytime a table gets added to the database by a particular module or if one gets added or deleted in some other form or fashion. So one of the reasons I bring this up is because I saw a lot of folks that are actually using the query command to get that type of information. Now obviously you can definitely do that. If we go here and we say query select star from hosts, we're going to see if we get no data returned. That is one way to actually get the information from the host table, but I've made it so much easier for you by just using the show host command. However, that query command will come in use. The framework is heavily data-driven by the backend database. And so you're going to want to be able to interact with that database in this query command is when you do that. You can not only run select statements, but you can insert, update, drop tables, do all kinds of stuff. You have unrestricted access to the database through the query command and that will come in use for those of you that are power users of the framework itself. So if you look at some other sub-commands of show, obviously we see the options. And many of you are familiar with the options command, but I want to take a look at the global options to show you some of the things that have changed. So if we do a show options at the global context level here, you'll see that there are no longer domains, company names, latitude, longitude, any of that information. And I'll talk about that here in a second after I discuss some of the new ones. Some of the new ones you'll see here, actually the only new one you'll see here, actually two of them, are store tables. So basically the framework now has the built-in capability that any time a module creates a table that's for you to see and ask a table on the screen, if you have this set to true and the developer hasn't overridden this, then it will automatically store that table to the database for you to view that data at a later time. It's a very handy feature for those that want to store all of that information that they're seeing and not just the information that the module developer has chosen to store in one of the one of the existing database tables. So that's kind of a nice feature. I've also got to the point where there are a lot of DNS related modules. And so I've created a rather than having to manually put in a different name server or every single one of those modules, I've created this global option so that you can set it once and it gets inherited by all of the sub modules. This name server does not have to be a name server for the target organization. This is a name server that the DNS modules will attempt to query through. Now if you want to focus on specifically a name server at the target environment, of course you can set that within the module itself and we'll talk about that moving forward too. So where did all this stuff go? Where is our domains? Where is our company names? Where are our locations? How do we set this stuff? Well I had gotten to the point where the framework had grown enough to where it was powerful and I was getting feature requests and myself personally was wanting to use it against multiple companies with multiple domains or companies that may have multiple names for different business units. I wanted to have multiple inputs rather than just of the static ones or the individual ones that you could label in the global options. And so I spent a lot of time thinking about this and the best way I could come up to do this was to push everything down into the database. And this allows for a couple of things. Number one, it does allow for those multiple inputs but it also kind of takes the framework into a new area in that now we're not just limited to domains, companies and locations, this input. Now everything in the database can become an input for another module. So essentially now we have this new idea of the transformation of data which is very, very much very similar to Maltigo's approach. Any piece of data in the database can be transformed to another one. And so that becomes now greatly increases the power of the framework. So now we have to get data into the database in order to actually start leveraging it. But before we get into that I want to discuss briefly about the different sources of data or input for the modules because one of the concerns that when I initially started going down this path I said, you know what, I'm just going to make everything data-driven. You can't use anything outside the database if you want to use anything within the framework for the modules that's got to be in the database. But once I coded that up and started testing it I quickly came to the conclusion that I still wanted some flexibility. I still wanted the ability to use single entries. I still wanted the ability to use external files. And so basically what it's come down to is that each module when it's developed the developer assigns that module with a default query for the database. That becomes the default input for that module. So if you don't change anything, if you don't mess with the sources as you maneuver through the framework everything is going to work according to the database and what the developers of the modules have established are the default input from the database. However, if that query is provided by the developer in the module the framework will automatically create this source option at the module level which allows you to specify a file name such as a list of inputs. It'll allow you to specify a single entry. It'll allow you to specify a custom query if you want to pull data from a different piece of the database or just the default input. And I'll show you a little more about that here in just a moment. But with all these changes to the back end and how we actually prime the framework for harvesting data how do we actually get that information in there to initially start? Well you can use one of those alternative source options such as an external file but if you want to start with just the database I have added two commands. One is the add command and one is the delete command. So what do these commands do? Well if we type add we see the help here. It simply just adds records to the database and we can add records in a couple of different ways. We can type add in the name of the table and it'll take us into an interactive session. So let's try that now. So let's say add companies and you'll see that we're in an interactive session and the framework goes and it pulls all the columns from that particular table and says okay now I'm going to prompt the user for information for that columns. So for the company I can type in Visium and Description I you know main business unit hit enter and then it takes us back to the prompt. Now if we go to Show Companies you can see that I now have one in there. Now this is great for those that are used to working inside of the framework but for those people that like scripting the framework whether it's resources files or you can see a lot which I'll talk about in another video we want something that's a little bit more useful and so the add command has the ability to give the values within the as parameters to the add command delimited by a tilde. So let's add another company. Let's add companies and we'll say bhis tilde and we'll kind of give it the same thing just because I'm uncreated not very creative right now and we'll add it and we'll see there that added it we go to Show Companies and you can see that we now have two there. So there's two different ways to use the add command but that is the command that we now use to prime the database for future data harvesting. Now some folks will notice hey what's this row ID column I've never seen that before. Well row ID is is someone I guess you could call it an invisible column that SQLite automatically creates in every single database table to to keep a record or a reference to each row in every table. It is a unique ID it's not the default it's the default primary key if you don't create one but basically what I've done is I've created where the show command displays this row ID table for use with the delete command so now we've gone for a full circle back to the delete command. If we show delete and hit enter just to see the help you'll see that you have delete you can put the table name in and then you can here you have an option to specify a row ID. So just like the add command if I say delete companies and I don't give it a row ID it will actually prompt me for one and I can say two and then if I show companies I can see that it's been deleted or I can say delete companies and give the row ID and it's been deleted. So now we can interact with the database by adding and removing records from within the framework and this gives us the ability to now prime the framework so that our module or prime the database so that our modules have actual information to search for. Okay so I'm going to go ahead and add one of these back here. Did I miss it? We'll just use bhs that'll work. Okay so we should have a company in here so now we have so now we have a company we've primed our database maybe we've got a location in here maybe we've got a domain in here but we've primed the database with information. Now how do we use it? So let's go here and we look at show modules once again that show command is very important and you'll notice that the path to the modules has changed drastically and no longer references a protocol and never and no longer references you know whether it's coming from an API or whether it's coming from just web scraping resource but you'll notice here that it's got the table names within the path. Now basically what this means is is you have under recon you've got a module called jigsaw and that jigsaw takes some data from the company's table it acts on that particular piece of data and then it stores data to the contacts table and every single module is configured like this so we've got say the built with module it takes some information from the domains table probably the domain and then its output you get stored to the contacts table so we're harvesting contacts we're transforming domains into contacts with the built with module. Okay so now that we know that if we've got information in the database whether it be a company name or a domain and we know that we want to take that information and transform it into something well we can just search for the modules that allow us to do that so let's say search companies dash and what that's going to do is show us all of the modules that take companies as input and then create some sort of output from it in this particular case the only thing cut is you get to transform from companies or contacts but you kind of get adjusted now we're now we can start looking for information based on what we have well now how to say we're after contacts and we we have some data in the database but we're not necessarily interested in starting there we just have a target we want to get to we want to get to contacts well we can just simply search the database for dash contacts and now we see all of the modules that result in contacts and so now by searching and because of the way that we've we've reconfigured the module tree based on whether you based on whether you're looking for information from what you have or looking to transform into something else you can now search the search out the modules that work for you very very easily okay so a feature that's been there for for a little while that I that I want to that I want to talk about now is a feature called smart loading because I still I see a lot of people doing videos and demos on recon ng and talks and they just don't use this particular feature but I find it very very helpful and this is the feature of smart loading so you see we have this this module here called name check well name check is probably unique to this particular module so if we're going to load this particular module rather than go have to have to type this whole thing in copy and paste it or go through command completion and do all that we can literally just type in the text name check and if this text right here is unique to any one module on the framework it will load that module quite handy right so what if it doesn't do that say we say load pond if we say load pond and that text shows up in more than one module well it'll list all those modules for us so that we can either look for different unique text or we can just look for the of the full path copy and paste command complete whatever it is that we're going after so this smart loading feature is something that cuts down on the amount of time it takes to use the interactive framework it just makes it very very simpler and move maneuver around thank you Ethan Robish for this this was his idea fantastic feature and a feature that I think all console based frameworks should employ all right so let's go ahead and load this this name check actually it's not load name check let's load let's load just this jigsaw module right here all right so I said I wanted to show you uh I'll show you a little bit more about this source option at the module level so if we go and show it would show options at the module level which is most of you are pretty used to you can see here that we've got this company URL which is something unique to jigsaw but we also have this this source option and and many of you are used to seeing this in other in other modules in some modules but not all of them well now it exists in every single module that uses some sort of input from the database it is automatically created it's no longer something that has to be deliberately put there it's automatically created by the framework okay so this just says default so for for a first time user of the framework and we open this up we say source default we're only you know what does that mean what does default mean to me and you know even after you've seen this video you don't necessarily know what the input is right here I mean you could say it's companies but do we know what column from the company's table it is no we don't so if you do show info I have that info command at the module context you'll see it then let me clear the screen here so it's a little bit clearer you'll see that there's a lot more information here okay I'm sure you have the description about what it does you also have the option shown but then you have this source options block that was not there previously this is going to give us information about the available source options first of all what does default mean well here's what it means it gives us the exact query that the developer created as input for that particular module so here we know that this module uses the company column from the company's table as input by default we can also provide it a string we can provide it a path to a file containing a list of companies or we can give it a custom sequel query as a source input okay so that pretty much covers all the topics that I wanted that I wanted to talk about today in this particular video as always if you have any questions concerns feature requests whatever it is hit me up on twitter at landmaster 53 and also if you want to contribute to the framework check out recon ng or recon dash ng dot com and as always enjoy the framework thank you


And Congolese President Felix Cicekedi has called for a frank judicial collaboration in the case of sexual violence committed by a World Health Organization agent, the Democratic Republic of Congo DRC during the response of the Ebola epidemic. Government spokesperson Patrick Moyaya announced on state television while reading a report of the Council of Ministers held the day before. President Cicekedi's call comes after the World Health Organization released a devastating report on Tuesday that 21 of its employees committed sexual violence against dozens of people during the DRC's Ebola response between 2018 and 2020. President Felix expressed his indignation, condemned these despicable facts but still praised the courage of the World Health Organization for having publicly denounced these crimes committed by its agent.


First of all, I did not come up with the title, so I'll get into that in a second, and it's not a great title for this hour of the day, the last talk, the obviously parallel session, so I decided to, that's a mouthful, okay, so I decided, you know what, let's forget about the title, let's talk about the learning outcomes that we want from this talk, so I just really want you to go away with three things. The first of all, I suppose I'd like you to know who is this guy and why is he talking to me? The second question I'd like you to understand when you leave this talk is what is the GA and what's so important about them, and the third is so what does all this have to do with Moodle, so okay, so I'm going to first of all start with who is this guy, okay. So, during the moves, I've noticed that when people introduce themselves, they tell them their name, where they're from, you know, qualification, blah, blah, blah, blah, so, but one thing always stands out that people prick their ears up, and it's the what version of Moodle did you first use, and for me, that was Moodle 1.4 back in 2004, and it was in DCU actually, when we started looking at how we could move a database's course into Moodle for the first time. And as you can see, it's come a long way, it has a certain geo cities look, hopefully I'm not aging myself here, but it's saying that, when I found this, I was actually going, wow, there's a lot of stuff that's still the same, it's incredible, and it really has stood the test of time. There was a lot of things there that, you know, was quite future looking, and you know, has longevity right to today. Now, some of those icons were a little hit and miss, I think my favourite one was the forms where it looks like two faces are about to face off each other, but yeah, no. And the second thing that a lot of presenters do, and this is really just to generate a mode of response from you, to really kind of feel that I'm a human being up here, and to go easy on me is to say that I have a dog, and this is my dog, it's Barley, it's a golden retriever, and the most important of it, today is his birthday, and he's nine years old, and instead of being with him, I'm here with you, so just so you know. Okay, and then obviously I have to do the whole obligatory, I'm a middle of the partner from Elevation, we're a middle of the partner, we're also 27001, we love security, we love data, we're also a Microsoft partner, you've probably used our plugins if you've used any sort of integration with Microsoft Teams or Office 365 or Azure, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, you get that stuff, okay, so now you know who I am, okay, now onto the more interesting stuff. So what is the GAA? Anyone know what the GAA, have you ever heard of the GAA? Okay Rob, anybody else? No, okay. So the GAA is the largest sporting organisation in Ireland, okay, and that's saying something, because you know, we're in a rugby world cup at the moment, and Ireland is the number one team in the world at the moment, we'll see how that goes, but it's not the biggest sport in Ireland, and in a country of four and a half million in the Republic, and then about five and a half million overall in the United Kingdom. In the island of the whole, the GAA is the largest sporting organisation in Ireland, and it's two principal sports, there are orders, but the two principal sports are hurling here, which when I tell Americans, I have to explain, it's not a game made up of people competitively vomiting, it's actually a game on a field with sticks and balls, there's balls a bit of the size of a slitter, it's a bit of the size of a tennis ball, we're basically there, it's a field game where they're hitting over the bar. And then we have gaelic football, which is basically like Australian rules football, but with a circular ball. And we have 2,200 clubs around the country, and around the world, so every single village town in Ireland has a club, and they're integral to those towns. They're not just about sports, but they're also about Irish society generally. If there is any sort of big birthdays, funerals, things like that, a lot of the events go back to the GAA club, they're integral to Irish society, and the whole calendar in the GAA revolves around the championship, which happens in the summer, where the 32 counties around the island of Ireland compete to become the All-Ireland champion. And that happens in this stadium here called Croke Park, which basically holds 82,000 people. My team is Calder, so last time we were in the final was 1998, but I still think about it. But it's 82,000 people, and to put that in context, some of the counties have just over 100,000 people in them.  So anyway, so I want to just kind of set the context of the GAA, and I've done this by ripping off a video from the national broadcaster, which is basically advertising the GAA. So this is a short video that I'll give you an idea of. So it gives you an idea of the kind of operation of the GAAs, but when you take all that, you take the athletes that you saw on the field there, those athletes are probably training six days a week, they are training as much as soccer players, rugby players, but the one thing to say is it's all amateur.  And it's also one thing to say about it, it's very much a grassroots organisation, so the club is basically the most important thing, trying to get coaches and players all working together. This is basically my club, I know it's really bad to use the pixelay now, but that's the leaks of GAA, this is what's known as buntus, and it's really important because basically this is kids that are between two and six years old, and it's kids of all backgrounds. It's one thing that we haven't had really ever, it's immigration, because we have a lot of new Irish coming in, so to get those people assimilated into Irish society, the GAA does a lot of work to bring those people in, and it's not, you know, while the kids work together that's fine. What's really important is actually the parents, parents coming up, learning about the GAA, and working with their community as volunteers with volunteers working together. Now, you have 800,000 members, and what does, I suppose, the next question you have, okay, you've got a brief idea of GAA, what does all this have to do with Moodle? Okay, so back to the actual point to the conference, okay. So the first thing to say is that for the GAA to work, education is key. You have to have a way to educate these coaches, these players, these parents, all about what their role in the GAA is, what their responsibilities are, and what they need to do in order to fulfill their role within the GAA system, I suppose. And the second thing is that for the GAA to work, compliance is key. Most of the GAA is made up of children, okay. So in order for the GAA to work, we have a lot of adults coaching children, we need to make sure that we have children safeguarding in place. We need to make sure that all the coaches are vetted by the police, that their background checks are done, that that's done on a continuous basis, and that the clubs know who has been vetted and who hasn't been vetted. So there needs to be a lot of safeguarding put in place. So how do we do that? So we have put a platform in place in October with the GAA, which is basically a mixture of a few different technologies, which is a combination of a Drupal Moodle and Maharasite to allow the GAA to basically fulfill its role. Now I'm going to do something that probably is ill advised, but anyway I'm going to do it, and I'm going to try and do a very, very short demo of what that looks like, okay. And with the magic of, no, I'm not going to work, okay, now. If I just bring this and make that smaller and bring this over here, and actually that did work. But now I have to look up there. Okay, so this is the site, and everything is looking good, okay. So basically the first thing that's at the site is that it's very important, I should probably look on the mic. It's very important that when people get on the site, they get what they need really quickly.  They have a very clear reason for being here. They're a coach or a fee, or they're a player, and they just want to get in to what they need quickly so they can get on with their life, because they're not being paid to do this. For example, if they're a coach, they're coming in to coach education, and they want to understand, you know, what does it mean to be a coach? Well, this kind of gives you details of, you know, the various different coaching accreditation, what's involved, what's required to be a coach. Most of it will be around badging around safeguarding, children's safeguarding, but as you go into the kind of more formal aspect of coaching, then there's coaching badges that need to be there. And then for the coach, they can track all that using their dashboard here, and then go into my achievements here. So, there's two on. Of course it doesn't work. Okay, there we go. Okay, so they can track all this, and this is basically, it's all track-through Moodle. So Dick, all the kind of gamification, obviously it's a games-based organisation, we use a lot of gamification. All the gamification is using Level Up. It's using the paid-for version of Level Up that we're pulling into the Drupal site. And then we have all the different accreditations around police vetting and things like that. All that, and the courses are basically completions of courses and things like that. They're basically pulled back into this dashboard. And then in order for, so what's really key to this is so that they can see what they need to know quickly. But then if they're going into a structured course, well, of course we're going into Moodle in that case. So there's a seamless integration between Moodle and Drupal to bring the user back and forth into the Moodle environment. And it's gone incredibly slow, but anyway, we're using a TOS-based environment. What basically I'm trying to say here is when there is structured learning, we're using Moodle. When we're not using structured learning, we're generally using Drupal. So for, as a last final example, a lot of stuff that happens in the GA around coaching is around just in time or point of need learning. So this is where, so I'll give you an example, very quick example. My wife coaches my daughters under 7s team. She has never done anything in the GA in her life. But really important for her to be there because for girls to see women coaching, it's incredibly important. And it's incredibly hard to get mothers into coaching. So she decided to do that. But in order for her to understand what she needs to be able to do, the actual coaches send the helpers details of what the drills are. And this is basically what she looks at before the actual session. So these are basically the drills that they're going to do. And there's probably a little video here showing the drill. And this gets them prepared. This exercise is the progression on the role and pickup exercise. And then they can kind of move on to more harder kind of stuff, which is like things like the solar run and hurling. And what's great about this is that we have coaches now on the field. This is a modified game. Developing players ability to solar run in a game situation. Exact drill. And they are able to do it a point of need. Point of need learning is really important. Mark out a playing area, 40 meters long and... There we go. Easy. Point of need is really important to be able to understand, to bring a tablet onto the table or even a phone to do that. But obviously the more structured learning has to go through a moodle platform. And also all the compliance goes through a moodle platform because it has that tracking and allows for that to happen. So that's pretty much it. That's all I want to say. I hope I've achieved the three questions. Did everybody know who the JR is now? Everybody know why we use moodle? And everybody know who I am? No, that's probably you forgot all that. All right, that's it. Thank you very much. We have a question. Hi. Thanks for the talk. You said you used mohara, but then you haven't shown anything about mohara. Very good. I thought you would. So in the schools, there's a year where they do a lot of practical experience. So it's called transition year. It's basically between the two major exams. And what they do there is with the GAA... With the GAA? Sorry. With the GAA is that they do coaching, basically badges through it. And those badges then go onto their mohari portfolio. Because they can then use that to show other sporting organisations like rugby. Which we'll see how that goes. Or the soccer associations. You know what coaching they've done. So it can be transferable in that way. It just gives them also a kind of sense of achievement. Because they're second level students that need to kind of understand achievement. And have a build a portfolio of what they've done as part of that program. Oh, yeah. Or just keep straight in the camera. All right. I think we're good? Well done, you all made it. Thank you.


Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Anabaptist Perspectives. I'm here with Finney Caravella. We're in Boston, Massachusetts, at Sattler College, which you helped start. Something, obviously it's called Sattler College, so you're inspired by Michael Sattler. Apparently a fair amount. And there's something there that I think some of our audience might not know, but he was pretty well known academically. He had done a lot of higher education things like that. We don't know a lot about his life. Unfortunately, I wish we had a lot more information about him. But what we do know is the Hutterite Chronicles records that he was fluent in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. And we do know we actually have four accounts of his trial. So of course he was famously put on trial before he was executed. When he was on trial and the accounts agree on this, he gave his defense in Latin. And so that is, I think, a pretty amazing feat. So picture that. You're on trial. Possible consequence of being killed. And here you're having to do your entire discourse in Latin. He was no doubt a learning man. And what we do have of his writings, Shlatham Confession, things like that, document and prove that he indeed was a capable writer there. We have less information, like I said, biographically about him compared to people like, say, Greville or Men of Simons, others. But what we do have is very impressive. And what I like about him is that he's an example of a person who brings together excellence in his academic and educational pursuits. But obviously he's now wedded that to service for the Lord and service for the kingdom. And so that's really the ideal. And what so often happens is people lose sight of how those can actually help each other. And they're not, they're not, they shouldn't be at least competitive. They shouldn't be things that we view as opponents, but as synergistic. Was he unusual? Like, was he unique in the radical reformation or were many of the others? Many of the others were actually very highly educated as well. So Conrad Greville, who was the leader of, particularly the Swiss brethren, the Swiss Anavaptis, and most would say he was the most important of the leaders. It is widely regarded, Harold Espender is a person who would agree with this assessment, that his, his Greek, for example, was, he was regarded as one of the best Greek scholars alive. So Erasmus was, most people would say it was the best Greek scholar of that day. And most people would put Greville in the company of those people right at Erasmus' heels. And so Greville had made his, his splash, so to speak, and how he even got associated with, was vengaline. All that was through his academic pursuits. And really the Anavaptis movement began out of the university academic environment, as did the Protestant Reformation, with people who are diligently applying themselves with study of the original languages to the Bible. So a bit of a what-if here, and you already kind of touched on this, but how would have the Reformation looked different if they hadn't put so much importance on the academic side? The Anavaptis, I don't believe, and we can obviously speculate here, but I don't think the Anavaptis movement wouldn't, would have ever began. Because, because so much of it, just so if we go back and look at, at, at Zvingli and what happened there, there was a lot of intense study that it was occurring that was this amazing cauldron that these ideas were being born out of, right? And so had it not been for that environment of diligent application of scholarship and study of the original languages towards, towards the texts, how would these ideas have come about? And in particular, some of the ideas about infant baptism, about non-resistance, separation of the world. I mean, those had to be established using deep, deep ideas. Hubmeyer would be another person who was also, you know, very educated. These were very much ideas that, that came out of very intense exegesis of the scriptures. And so I think it would be very unlikely to imagine the Anavaptis movement beginning without the leadership of these men. So we're looking at the past and, and the effect that it had, and, and you're saying it had a huge effect. So now how, for us today, looking back on that, what can we learn from, from those forefathers? First, we have to be careful to avoid either ditch, right? So, so the one ditch that we have to be very careful about is that education has the answers. And that if we, if we're all highly educated, that fixes our problems.  I am. I am. You know, I have, I have two doctorates and I've spent a lot of time in school.  I do. Now I was raised in, in a home, in an environment where education is, is highly valued. So the Indian community, my parents generally put a high premium on education. And so I'm sure that some of that came from them. Although I would say I just love learning, which is, is the bigger factor. Sure. There is certainly a ditch out there which lifts up education as having the answers and says that if we just have enough knowledge, if we just have enough information, then that is going to save us, right? But in a sense, that's the air of Gnosticism, right? Gnosticism is salvation by knowledge. And we have to be very careful to avoid that. Instead, we should view education as a tool to serve the kingdom of God. The other ditch is to discard that entirely and to say education has limited value or it's maybe something suspicious that we need to, to be very guarded about and almost look down on people who want to study and pursue.  What's wrong with the King James? You know, like, why can't you just be content with that? There's a lot of places that forbid people going to college and that say if you go to higher education, you know, you can't, you can't be part of our communities. That air is, is also pernicious. The problem with, with that side of things is that when you do that, education is going to come in somehow. So what's going to happen is that the people in those settings who are hungry to fill themselves with solid preaching and good reading, well, guess what they're going to turn? They're going to turn towards Protestant evangelicals or, you know, lots of preachers that are out on YouTube and places like that. They're going to be, to, to beginning their education through that. And it's amazing to me. I like looking at people's bookcases where you walk in and say they're a very committed Anavaptist. And how many of their books on their bookcase, bookcases are written by Protestant evangelicals, right? It's a huge percentage. How many people are reading the John Piper's of the world and people like that, right? A lot of them are. And, and although they may personally not pursue education, they're getting the education of say, John Piper, or Tim Keller, or people like that coming in, and you better believe that's coming into their preaching. So what happens is when we minimize that, we end up creating a vacuum where people who, who want to be diligent students of the word end up turning to other channels. And then that vacuum gets filled by the books and tapes and YouTube videos and things like that of people coming in. And so it's going to bleed through education is too powerful of a tool for us to simply minimize and try to push off to the corner as being something that puffs up, you know, a lot of people say, Fr. Corinthians says knowledge puffs up. And it certainly can when it's done badly and when it's not put in the service of the church, when it's not put in the service of Jesus. However, when it's used rightly, as I think the early Anabaptists did an amazing job at that, it has this incredible power to, to fuel us to, to motivate us to give us a rich supply of ideas to engage with the outside world. And to, I mean, how many of us haven't, haven't enjoyed good books over the years? I mean, there's something about just the power of ideas that is stimulating and engaging and really exciting. And so yeah, we have to be very careful to avoid either of those. There's a very interesting speech that was given by someone named Charles Malick. Many years ago, the speech is called the two tasks. And he said the two tasks were saving the soul and saving the mind. And his thesis was that the church had to embrace both vocations, saving the soul and saving the mind. And to the extent that it focused on one rather than the other, it would lose both this enterprise of saving the soul, saving the mind.  I see education generally as something that is an incredibly, incredibly powerful tool that's been so abused on all sides. And as so often is the case, when people see abuse, they want to turn away. But an argument against abuse is not an argument against use. If we were to be consistent in applying that, well, hey, people abuse marriage, so let's not get married. You know, people abuse the church, so let's abandon the church, right?  But so often what we do is we see the abuse and we overreact on the other side, and unfortunately throw out a lot of the benefits that could come from an education in the service of King Jesus. Okay, so you have the two ditches of education, you're saying this does have value, and you're going to get an education from somewhere. Somewhere, right? Make sure it's coming from the right place. Exactly.  Exactly. Is there anything else you would like to add? Because I think this is a pretty big issue. It's a huge issue. Honestly, I say in a Baptist, don't don't view this properly. And that's yeah, it's probably more out of ignorance than anything, honestly. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's slowly starting to change to which which I think is encouraging. Another piece I would add about education is that there's a growing interest that many people have, which is I think it's really good to go to new countries to go to cities, and to evangelize there. Well, it is so effective. It is so powerful to use education as a tool to get into cities, colleges and other other areas. So I'll give you a couple of examples. There's two basic segments of the population in America that are open to the gospel. And very consistently, in pretty much all 50 states, you're going to find this to be the case. The two most open groups are students, college students, and international communities. So the Joe average person who is maybe suburban or rural, they're just not that interested. They've got their comfortable American life, their their fence, their garage, all that they're just they do the same routine again and again, right? So so that type of person, not totally closed, not impossible, but generally speaking, that's not where God is moving today. God is moving in those two populations. Now, what a lot of people tell me is they say, I feel way too intimidated to go and do evangelism on a college campus. And the reason they feel intimidated is that they were never there, right? It's it's it's because they just they have that fear factor of the unknown. Well, guess what? If you've been to college, if you've graduated one, you find out it's not as intimidating as you might seem. People are just regular people, just a different stages of life with different experiences. And so I would encourage people to think about something like it is not to be college per se, but using education as a tool to get in to some of these places. I'll give you another example. So if you want to go internationally and say get a visa in a different location, well, the ability to go in as say a health care professional as opposed to coming in and saying I'm a pastor or I'm going to be a missionary or something like that. I mean, it's very difficult to get into those places.  It's a powerful door opener, right? And so so why not also look at education again as a tool for ministry?  But as I said, it's a platform to get in. One other thing too that I'll say on the side of education is that I think people in general have don't realize that there's this general phenomenon that if you are if you are are properly educated, it gives you humility and you realize how much you don't know. If you are are content and complacent, it's often and I don't mean this at all in a negative way. It's often a sign that your lack of education has has maybe not opened you up to the vistas and horizons that are out there, right? And there's a complacency that can happen there. I mean, I feel like I mean I've been in school for a lot of years. I read a lot and here I am in my mid 40s and I feel like I'm just getting started with my learning and I feel like I have so much to learn. And so I think again, good education is something that is is paradoxically should be generating humility in you, right? And now it's it's poor education or lack of education that makes you complacent and can can put you out. Now again, that can go badly obviously and people can be educated for the wrong reasons and it can in a gender pride. But I think the right type of education is something that should produce a godly humility. There's a formal hypothesis that has been proposed and I think very very well validated where the less you know about a field, the more confident you are about it. The more you know about a field, the less confident you are about it. It's really interesting. There's a famous case of this particular scientist, developed social scientist, where he studied a robber who robbed a bank and he covered his face in lemon juice thinking that that would make him invisible to the cameras.  And this particular hypothesis that he came up with said that, well hey, the more ignorant you are about something, maybe the more confident you are about it. And lo and behold, that's been true time and time and time again in a variety of studies where if you know very little about something, I see this happen all the time. I'm a physician and it's amazing how often people come to me. They couldn't tell you the first thing about the difference between the Golgi apparatus and the mitochondria, but they will tell you for absolute certain that this particular herb that their grandmother gave them is going to cure them of this disease. And I've seen a lot of people make very poor health choices, rooted totally in ignorance. I mean, they just have absolutely no idea there. But they're probably sure as anything. But they're absolutely sure as can be. And some some sad cases that I've dealt with in the last few years of people who have had cancer and not gone down routes that were very well validated with good evidence because again they were just convinced there. And so again, I think we'd be very careful about that that we don't, we're not unaware of this paradox there that again the right education can actually bring humility and lack of education can sometimes breed confidence. That is so interesting because I've tried, I've been trying to figure out that mindset because I've met a lot of people who are say fairly ignorant about the topic, but they will be sure that they're right. And I'm just like I don't understand this. But what you're saying, more knowledge can actually help you be even more humble. If it's done right. Absolutely. And frankly, study of the Bible is a good example of that. Often people who know very little are very, very confident about this. Right? I mean even, let's pick on say somebody outside the church. I remember someone coming in to, he was a physician into the office area where I was when I was in a resident, not too far from here. And he came in and he was just blustering about how messed up Christianity was and how the Bible was just full of all these contradictions and all that. And my answer was, so tell me one of these contradictions. He didn't have one. He didn't know the Bible at all, but it's just this idea that gets repeated, right? Where, oh yeah, religion is just this. And we see this happen all the time where people on the streets who don't know the first thing about Christianity, they think they know everything about the religion that there is, right? In reality they're very, very, very ignorant. And so that phenomenon happens in study of the Word of God as well, where people who have really applied themselves very little have a false confidence in all that. Yeah, I've just, I've never thought about it quite that way before. The name is the Dunning-Kruger Hypothesis, or the Dunning-Kruger philosophy, or actually it's really more of a proposition that's been fairly well validated, that there's an inverse relationship between knowledge and confidence. That is really, really interesting. Thank you so much for taking the time to share. You're very welcome, Reagan. It's been great to be with you.


Aloha and welcome to figments star of imagination and think that way. I'm Dan leaf. I go by fig I hope you know that because you've been watching before we get into today's episode I want to let you know that there'll be a special episode of figments on reality this Thursday more on that later Because we do have to get to this episode. I'm very excited about it The first the guest today is old friend of mine from being a young fighter pilot lieutenant colonel Rick Polini Cluso And the topic is a little deeper than the usual fighter pilot banter Imagined I could live with what I did and now coming to us from Okinawa, Japan Cluso Aloha and ohio goes. I am us Aloha fig and ohio I must to you. Hey, it's great to see it's been great to reconnect we go back Let's see 37 years or so to Okinawa. We're both young bucks flying fighters. And I was a little older than me then being here. Yeah, but I remember you which Since you were a young new at 15 by that could be good or bad But it's a good reflection because some some young pilots stood out and you were one of them You've written a book. That's what got my attention You wrote a book call sign Cluso an American fighter pilot in Mr. Reagan's Air Force And took it for you to go from that baby on the left to a book writing fighter pilot and the thinker that you are now That's quite a journey It is quite a journey and and as I outlined in my book I never really had an intention to write a book But it came to me one day at work that there was all these Unique little things in my life that kind of led me to where I am today And I highly I highly recommend the book desert storming folks. Yeah Whether you're interested in aviation or not, it's a good human story a very good human story Yeah, so that was my intent Well, I hope you're selling lots of them because people will learn by reading and I know you help there so you're selling lots of them but You weren't an author. You're just a fighter pilot and as we've discussed getting ready for this episode We were living the fighter pilot life. We're Young jet jockeys hanging around with other fighter pilots the picture on the left of the screen is me and my F-15 training class. That's you and in And your fighter weapon school class With your jet it now listen. I know a lot of those guys. They're great guys and real characters It was awesome. I could write a book just about my fighter weapon school class, but no It's classified and I'm not talking about the academics, but it was I mean, these are really uniquely vibrant bright Diverse believe it or not guys that you're hanging out with who are all extremely capable at a very difficult job Yeah, and you know that was a perception That I didn't have with the military. I didn't come from a military background. So when I got in the quality of the people that were around me is just like wow, this is This is quite an organization. This is something Happy to belong to you and it was fulfilling in that way. I learned something today from Active duty four star won't say the service of name since I didn't say I was going to tribute But 40% of Americans pursue some form of higher education after I slip Only 25% of Americans are even qualified to join the military Now that's not apples and apples, but From the lowest enlisted person to the most senior officer in general, there are always exceptions He will be astounded with the kind of the quality of our men and women in you Yeah, I have to wholeheartedly agree and it was but it was fun.  Well, you know at Kadena we have that that feeling and you show I think the picture maybe you have there I will now so there you go, but You have that feeling at Kadena and we were we had a poster on the 12th squadron weapon shop It said the war starts tomorrow and that's how we approached our business But yeah, definitely when I got to Aiglin and the Berlin wall came down which I was at weapon school and that happened it felt like pieces breaking out all over and We're never gonna have a war and then in August of 1990 that all changed and you went to war in Desert Storm and I'll talk about my combat experience which came later my real combat experience just to give a Bit of a reflection I train in air superiority in the mighty F-15 undefeated air superiority fighter And then one towards a wing commander in the air-to-ground mission dropping bombs and targets in Kosovo, Serbia And The one thing I have sure anytime I talk about combat stories. I have to say that on my first mission I was scared to death. They usually use a different term But I was so afraid that I wouldn't be able to perform It wasn't fear of anything else But I've been I've been being a macho fighter pilot for 25 years and I was scared to death I wouldn't do it I flew mostly nice missions Which was nice because you could see you when you're being shot at and that was information. I wanted to have Ignorance is not bliss in that case and they were intense, but they were grinding and unlike air to air Clueso We always knew we're gonna Expand ordinance and air superiority you can spend a lot of time in the combat air patrol before you see any migs, but That wasn't your experiences. I hope you'll share so tell me about being an air superiority pilot I'm I think you flew on the first night of Desert Storm Our first yeah, yeah, so I was the mission commander for the very first Fighter sweep into Iraq and as it turned out we got pushed early so we were literally the first at 15s to enter Iraq and It was night mission. We were well prepared. We rehearsed it. We're flying night visual formations if you can Yeah without night vision goggles right and And I would say I was afraid I think my biggest fear was going to the tanker with embedded thunderstorms. That was scary Mostly it was like that great Tom Wolf quote from the rights stuff is Lord, please don't let me screw up Yeah, that's not exactly the quote You didn't want to you didn't want to mess up To You know do something like take down friendly aircraft Or just mess up the mission Because once we pushed it was kind of autopilot The training autopilot A few times turn this Interrupted I'm purpose because I don't want our our viewers So to think that you're flying an airbus 380 or something. That's a figurative term That environment in an air superiority fighter is Is unbelievably busy. I think it's the most Dynamic multitasking environment So How about sharing with us everything you have to do from the time you commit to Attack an airplane to expending missile. What are what are you worried about? well just Operating the radar as it was at night and so we were going through some very specific brief Um techniques for how we maintain our separation maintain our speed Keep going same way same day We're going through different light drills as we got closer to the threat turning off more lights Communicating with AWACS and on that first night it was a radar They pushed us early because the Iraqis had launched Their alert aircraft early.  Yeah, and they since we pushed early they were complicating the picture Um, and then we just started to pick out things. I mean fortunately we broke out of the weather Just as we hit the the border There and yeah, you could see all the all the shooting going on which I'd never seen before it was amazing Yeah, it makes fireworks displays kind of boring doesn't it? So, um, at least you've got somebody to help you with this in your aircraft No, you don't you're flying alone And I think you're doing all this with your two hands on the throttles and on the stick And we call it playing the piccolo But the f-15 was I think the best engineered airplane ever for working the magic of all the systems you have Yeah, and and training had got us to that point where it just became natural So so what really was the That saturation was dealing with the unknown And being in combat for the first time In the contrast to say world war two or korean war The flight later would look for bandits and the wingman Would cover his six would protect him In your f-15 all of you are prepared to engage each of you has a set area to look With your radar and with your eyes in that area is defined both by altitude and geography So Everybody's busy. It's not just somebody hanging on flying formation. And I think that's a huge transition Did you know the guys you were flying with well? Did you've been flying with them for a while? I did I did because we had really been together as a squagger and you know for two years and virtually Everybody that was there with us and we had some great experience Especially in that first night cheese grater Was my number five the leader of the other four ship and then my number three was jb kelp They have both come from The pacific in europe so they had great experience and large force employment People I could just totally rely on And so and like I said, we've been flying together as paired four ships for four or five months So we knew each other You know upside and down and that just helped with the confidence You can't overemphasize the importance that it you can see a wide receiver and a quarterback who are in Bingie and the ball the quarterback just knows where to put the the ball But it's that times many For a four ship that's been flying together and you don't have to guess and the other beauty of it is You don't have to talk very much on the radio Nowhere near as much as if you're working with a stranger There was a lot of talking that night Really? I'm not I I don't know if you remember but I'm a big shut up I usually say it differently on the radio guy and The the wing at aviano adapted to that motor earlier. No color commentary Very it's what you're going to say is not going to make me do something then shut up Okay. Well, we're going to talk a little bit about the actual shootdown first. I would like to Briefly plug the special episode of on reality Figments on reality. It's going to be on if the not usual date and time on the one o'clock on the 26th thursday of Next this week boy. It's a busy week and I'm going to talk more about afghanistan. I'm going to go specifically into what went wrong in the withdrawal Again, this is non political commentary. I'm not going to Blame it on a person or a party or anybody but I'm going to talk about the things that went down militarily because they're Stunning and we have to learn lessons from things that go this badly so Back to flying combat, you know, I talked about my experience I appreciate you not giving me grief about being a bomb dropper because we who flew the f-15 or Okay, we're ego pilots not just the ego pilots But came late my career 20 46 years old for beats a one-star wing commander operation allied force and we But it was kind of a search and destroy mission Because there was a muddy situation with the ethnic cleansing that was going on in cosco We'd find targets and then we kill them. Sometimes we had pre-planned targets, but Most of the missions I flew we were seeking out the enemy and then attacking it And I'll share briefly On april 12th 1999. I was on one of those missions flying in the wing of my cleaning safety officer and At 16 also single seat. We had laser guided bombs and stuff And this is the very short version of the target we Found a convoy of serb the irregulars who were burning muslim homes in kosu and Is our job to stop that This is a much longer story when properly told But in essence, I dropped a 500 pound bomb that took out two or three vehicles enabled my Wait my flight lead The safety officer to take out the gas truck they were using to fuel their fires And it was the first time I ever killed people And knew it and saw it and two very Seemingly in congress things happened. I keyed the radio and said to my wingman even though i'm big on radio discipline I was in that moment We had stopped these guys maybe 300 meters from the next town they were going to build I keep the mic and said I love my job and At the same time I thought, you know, I'm a death penalty opponent because you shouldn't kill unless you have to and we have to There's kind of a moral epiphany if there's actually much more detail in that you Shot down in mid 25 thought you killed the pilot focus through the engagement and how this happens Yeah, so um, it started with the fact that this mission was not a fragged or a cast mission So that whole Idea in the book how things just happened on the moment and it seems by you know circumstance, but I think there's a bigger reason Anyway, we got launched on this special mission because we're the only guys available to go sit Cap for some skut hunters. This is day three of the war. So There's can't protect other aircraft looking at their destroyer. Yeah Yeah so While we're waiting a navy package is coming out of the bagdad area and They're being chased down by Iraqi migs and so the awacs commits us on those And we I'm leading the four ship now and We put ourselves in a cutoff position and get there in time And it's two big 29s and they break off the attack and head back northeast towards bagdad And right after that two more migs pop up about 30 miles north And at this point it looks more like an iraq iraqi tactic And we I would find out later. It was an iraqi tactic. Yeah, there's a reason we're trying to trap some eagles and so what happened was We I turned the flight into the two aircrafts of the north and they turned out to be make 25s We plan I plan bbr engagements with our the unvisual range and these fox fat pilots did a great job Defending against our missiles and our radars all the way up until we ended at a visual merge Which was not the plan Where you could see actually see the airplanes are fighting Yeah, and uh and that idea that all you'll never you know Dogfighting combat again that people were saying it's like well, that's not true. Look at this here Anyway, so it turned out to be a classic ACM air combat maneuvering fight with me and my wingman Larry cherry pits and the fox fat that I had targeted left the fight at high speed and low altitude With no chance for me to engage him and so it was two versus one in a visual About a one to to one and a half mile fight Classic bfm fight and cherry was camped behind his fox bat and I was supporting him and we're both shooting missiles and uh cherries And the fox bats were defending with chaff and flares very well And eventually one of cherries aim sevens gets there the pilot ejects my aim nine follows right after that And as i'm coming off that Facts that my auto acquisition mode grabs the other fox bat Coming back into the fight And cherry sees him also and calls him out And I was able to rather quickly convert to his six o'clock That about a little over a mile And I had issues with ideing him because it looked a lot like an f-15 Right, I didn't know where my number three important gone and I knew there might be tomcats in the area And so I go through a rather complex lot process and communication and trying to verify but Intellectually asked everybody that who was friendly to come out of afterburner because this airplane was in burner, right? Yeah, so that you could tell the difference I had actually figured it out by visual recognition at that point And I started shooting and I had some similar problems as cherry that he was defeating A couple of my shots But eventually my second aim seven Got to the aircraft and when it got there it was it was a big explosion And I had not seen the pilot Eject and so my assumption was if he was still in the airplane, he didn't make it out So the airplane basically vaporized, right? I mean it just it pretty much death star vaporized Yeah, uh, it was it was it was actually shocking And I I remember that I know that feeling from dropping my first two live two thousand pounder in combat With a secondary. Yeah, it was shocking Yeah, and uh up to that point. I probably had some tunnel vision and temporal distortion I was so focused on the fight and the task but when that thing blew up. It just like whoa I'm cleared cleared up You know the saving private ryan the opening scene When tom hanks is on the beach and he kind of comes out of that France right like that yeah and Boy, we could talk for a long time on that and would see the scene even longer because of dimple distortion But we got to move on because I want to get to the main point of this Discussion so you're a midkiller and you go back and land at your base How did that feel? I mean, this is the ultimate for a fighter pilot, right? Yeah, uh all the way back. I had already kind of passed on some other targets on the previous missions to other guys who got Got the kills and uh, this was my turn Uh, it was a fulfillment of a you know Of my career to that point as every fighter pilot wants to do.  I I suppose that's when you actually receive the dfc for the Should that doesn't yet distinguish flying cross folks.    You're in command But you chose to retire Why? um, oh, that's That's well covered in the book, but I well that does work take like I come to the conclusion That I had grown a lot As an officer as a fighter pilot I had not grown very much as a human being And I just needed to move away In reconciling the fact that in your mind you believed you had killed another human being Is that part of uh I'm sure that was part of it. That wasn't a conscious part at the time I was making the decision that kind of came later As I was getting out and I turned to my buddhist practice and came to an ability to to To understand what was going on there And how I need to do that. I have a photo that asks you in In both modes. It's an early photo of you So non-air force attire and then your official photo So you you Began practicing buddhism and and due to this day And stayed in japan. So I guess you're telling me that this reflection on humanity and The fatal nature of war came later that you grew into it as you grew as a human being Yeah, because because up to that point I had buried that I buried it Within the hours after it happened because I could not get to sleep Thinking about the human being in that foxtap and so I I I came to a conclusion that it was him or me You know press on and so I buried that little dark Dark matter in my heart and carried it with me and that's not a good thing to do And I came to that realization Yeah, not good in How did it affect you? Is it kind of a PTSD or was it Just kind of forced compartmentalization and you know, I've never been diagnosed with that but I I have A sense that there's some level of anxieties or whatever that go along with it that if you if you Allow that dark darkness to stay there eventually it attracts more And and it can grow and so it affects your life. You have to come to terms with it at some point And you you eventually found out closer not to spoil the book Like said read it, but you eventually found out that the mig 25 pilot had in fact survived That's that's what I was told through Contacts, uh, what Doug will be in tom cooper in writing their book and also my book And but that doesn't Fortunately, fortunately he survived Fortunately, I don't think it changes the reflection because I don't know how many people were killed on april 12th 1999 Maybe nobody found that hard to believe But the reflection once you let yourself do it is Liberating and so I think yeah, it is liberating and uh, it's necessary for Not just for your own piece of mind book for the world Yeah, and we've changed the world by changing One person at a time and that has to start with us And it's so easy to not go there It's much easier to not go there than take the time to ponder and You know if it hadn't been that specific moment that I described that might not gone there I dropped a lot of other bombs. I saw targets blow up, but there was nowhere near as personal and the I thank god that I Had a chance to reflect and I'm on that same journey to grow as much as a man as I did as a fighter pilot Well, uh, we could go on and on and on and unfortunately we have a minute and a half left And we talked about doing a part two We could talk about other things you booked like how your dad encouraged you inspired you to pursue a career in aviation your music Which we haven't even talked about but people can see part of a guitar over your shoulder But let's give the book one more plug here and clue. So how can they buy? Or download call sign clue. So It's it's on all major. I have a facebook page call sign clue. So it's on all the major book selling Amazon Barnes and Noble and so forth case mate is the publisher So you can find it there plus all the links. So it's it's not too hard to find And it's much more. I've got an apple books. It is much more than a flying book folks. Let me say that and Let me finish by asking clue. So what's your current figment? What do you want to do next? Uh, I just want to continue my human revolution Um, that's that's Continue to grow as as a human and you know, um, that's you know, I I don't have specific Well, that's good But uh, it's it's really help others You know grow as much as you can. It's what you're doing right now fig You know, come to some self realization some and let self enlightenment and help others to do the same Well, you're doing that, uh clue. So it's been great to reconnect. We'll be in touch I'm sure and I hope you get to the wire sometime So what would fig do is one of the things I always say Here's what fig would do value of human life all human life even that of your enemy And as I said in my on reality last week We need to take more moral approach to the use of lethal force and come As a nation it's fundamental concern So I'd like to thank think tech Hawaii for giving me the chance to share my views and introduce them to clue so And remind you that they are a nonprofit. They need your support. So please go to their website and think about Donating Thanks for watching folks again Next thursday this coming thursday figments on reality special edition Mahalo and aloha