I didn't think that was actually going to work. Hi. What time is it? I'm just curious. Okay. Hi. So my name is john jacobi. And i'm going to talk to you all today about enterprise project Management, specifically with wordpress now. I am admittedly a developer. Sorry. Don't hurt me. I'm just kidding. So i spend the majority of my time as the Project lead for two of the sister projects to wordpress. One of them is called buddypress and that is what we use on Profiles.wordpress.org as our pretend social network that Lives on top of wordpress.org so it aggregates all of the Activity across word camps and code changes and the project Management that actually happens for wordpress the software Itself and the other project is something called bbpress that Powers all of our support forums so my half of my life And half of my professional life and career is spent managing The projects that you would likely use if you were going To build a website with wordpress that would need social Elements to it where users would talk back and forth to one Another. The other half is doing consulting, Development, project management, leading teams, building Websites for comcast or what have you. So wearing multiple hats and having sort of done this for A while i have a tendency to forgo slides in every single one of The talks that i do which is probably not typical for what you Are used to expecting in a design or project management Geared or focused type of talk. I know that largely i would Expect for there to be slides and graphs and charts and Pitches about what to use and how to do it and all of Those kind of things but i generally try to bring this down To a much more practical type of level to one explain sort of how We manage projects and manage big large projects for large Organizations and companies can also talk a little bit about What a pitch process might look like for a company like that But at the same time i generally want for this talk or my Talks or our time together to be as useful to all of you As it possibly can be which largely means i have lots that i Could say all day long but also am completely prepared to Answer and help you with any of the questions that you may have Regarding what managing really large projects or projects for Large enterprise clients or customers might look like. I could share all of the horror stories. I could share all of the success stories but i don't know That's super fascinating to anybody. I think that talking a little bit more about how in some of The roles that i have played at other jobs that i have had i Don't know what that was but okay it's sort of like a hurricane Alarm or something like okay well we're about to evacuate the Building thank you goodbye. So in a previous life you know back in 2010 i worked at a Company called automatic and moved around in that company for A couple of years where i worked on specifically on wordpress.org As a site admin still do at this point worked on the social team Largely building features for jet pack like jet pack comments And jet pack likes for comment likes and post likes and Reblogs of followers and then moved to the vip team where i Got the bulk of what is my enterprise type of experience Doing coder view and deployments and support for the vip Clients that we're on and hosted on wordpress.com and having left There went to work at a company called ten up. Ten up is essentially a premier wordpress agency of about 150 people now i think it might have been 60 when i was there Who builds many of the largest or highly trafficked wordpress Sites that you're going to see that happen on the web so While my role necessarily wasn't one directly related to Project management i was the director of engineering there and Was directing the engineers who were being project managed by Our project managers so if you don't mind i would give you my Perspective as a director level or as a software engineer on How managing these big projects looks and some of this stuff is Pretty obvious some of this stuff i think is fairly Straight forward but we can drill down pretty deep into any One of them if you want to originally this talk was Supposed to be from sara pressler and she's like an on point Project manager she lives and breathes project management so She couldn't make it i volunteered to sub in and help since There was an open slot and i would prefer not to talk to You're not here to talk about code that's no fun right So i would say one of the first things that Is the most important for all of what happens when it comes to Project management if it is with buddy press or bb press or Enterprise project management or anything else is obviously the Communication aspect of what that looks like for the team Itself that is working on something in an enterprise style Environment or if you're a customer or client is an Enterprise level customer or client where they are probably Spending upwards of thousands to tens to hundreds of thousands Of dollars to build something that is going to be a very long Term project or a very long timeline with lots of moving Parts and changes then communication and how you choose To do that is going to be a pretty critical aspect of this Majority of the time at least in my experience you end up Fitting into someone else's communication style you fit Into their network you fit into whatever it is that they are Already utilizing for a tool there you may have a preference You may use hip chat you may use slack you may use e-mail you May use anything from atlassian or anything from someplace Else you have a tool that you prefer to use and you are Probably not going to use that tool you may use it Internally for yourself you may use that so that you can Project manage your own thing on your own end of it with Your own people but anything that's going to happen that Is going to be interacting with this client is going to be Largely utilizing whatever it is that they are comfortable doing It happens quite a bit where at least for me that i am brought In because of the word press expertise that i would have And it is a customer that either self host or has their Own code base or they may have in-house developers but they Are not there doing word press things they might be a Doing mostly dot net but for some reason word press has won Their hearts for this one particular problem and they want to Use word press to solve it and somehow or another either Through word mouth or through a website or through me speaking At a word camp and them liking me or whatever that looks Like they decide i am the person that is going to try to Help them solve that problem and in the due diligence of That introduction and hanging out and figuring out whether Or not we are going to be a good relationship fit for each Other some of that involves how is it that you prefer to Work and here is how me and my team also prefer to work and Does that actually sound like that is going to be acceptable And make sense for the both of us again i see some of This sounds pretty straightforward but it is very easy to Take for granted that not everyone works in the exact Same way doing the exact same things my analogy for this is That think of all of the places in the world that you do not Go like for every restaurant that you drive by and for Every like shop that you don't go to and for every mall that You don't need to go to because it is not in your Neighborhood there are like thousands of people that go To these places that love this place that live in that Place people are doing all sorts of things that have Nothing to do with any of the things that ever intersect with You in your life they are doing this with project manager With every project that is going on with word press stuff They have different ideas and different goals and different Thoughts about some plugin or some install or some site that They like that you have never seen or visited or heard of Before and now it is your job and they are paying you to Come fit inside of this culture that you have never once Been introduced to before in your life has a big deal like You can use the square peg in the round hole kind of thing But a lot of the times this is like a completely different Tetrahedron that does not register on anybody's maps. So the first part really is figuring out how it is that You are going to communicate. The second part of that is Actually adopting those communication techniques. You can say that you are going to communicate in this way That will not stop anyone from just sending you an e-mail Any ways or you from sending an e-mail or someone sending you A text message because something is on fire or someone Sending you a text message just because they want to. Adoption is also really truly the hardest part of all of This because if you do not adopt whatever the method of Communication is going to be you are going to fracture And fragment whatever that looks like and that happens Enough even within building word press or buddy press or BB press where we have a place where code gets built And we have a place where people will talk about the design Aspects of things and we have a place where we will talk about Scope and what it is that is going to happen and whatever Releases are going on but eventually they have to boil Down to some place so that everyone can communicate and Be on the same page with what it is that they are doing. I don't want to talk about things that are like far Too simple but i don't know that this is a thing that is Too easy to go over a question already. Right. So it's true. There are a couple of different names for this and i will Repeat for the live stream is how essentially do you handle What i would generally call scope creep. How do you handle missed deadlines? How do you handle the i guess the higher tension sort of Communication that needs to happen? So admittedly being a developer when things are behind it is Usually my fault. Things have a tendency to take longer than they should. Even easy problems that you think should be easy to solve At a developmental level become more complex as you Start going deeper and deeper into them. I would double speak back and say that the communication Generally takes longer also as someone who is even a full time Project manager getting a hold of the right person, talking to That person, figuring out what is giving them the context of What the problem is, having the conversation, getting results Back, communicating that back. You might think that that can be Done in a half hour but that will take all day. So a lot of these problems are problems that you They really should be simple problems but they never ever are. So we have a tendency to be fairly meticulous about things. Largely from experience of having been burned on some things or Too many revisions on projects or having someone think we are Going to manage the content strategy for them which is Not necessarily what our strengths are. So most of the time in what would be our contracts or in Our relatively consistent communications we do a lot of Clarifying about what it is that we are going to try to Achieve and what it is that we are not going to achieve. And that has worked out fairly well for us because if you Are not clear about what for sure you are not going to do During a specific timeline is very easy to assume that Something is going to happen whether or not it has been Written down or not. And we have the whole range of Clients. We have clients that might Be an author and they know word press or they have been in Word press but they don't really care about building any of The site at all who might have the occasional it team or Development team that understands regression testing And unit testing and hosting environments and security And they want to have every bit they want to know Everything has to cross their nose so they can see it Go by and acknowledge that it exists. So we see the whole range Of it. The most important part of it Though one that i still as a professional who enjoys doing This work still consistently struggle with is communicating Constantly stopping to say this is not going to get done Today. We have identified it is noon. It is not going to happen today. Sending that e-mail Or sending that message to say hey this thing isn't Actually going to happen today. That is the hardest part. I'm not really admitting failure but admitting that Expectations will not be met is part of the communication Process and i think that has to happen on both sides. It has to happen especially with complex firms or agencies Where you may have developers, designers, architects, Producers, directors, project managers, project leads, Seniors, juniors. You are going to have a Key of people that are on a pod or a group or whatever the Architecture of your company is to manage these bigger Projects. I know that we, if i answered Your question yet i think so. I just want to make sure. Sure. Right. Right. So the question is or the segue is because it is a Fantastic point is what are the consequences when things are Not done? And sometimes it is not very clear. Right. Sometimes your impact of anyone's impact, Like the real true impact of completing a task and what That means for other people either for the project or Even a client who is paying you to understand the impact Is not really that clear. We usually try to be, maybe this is wrong, But we have a tendency to kind of have like buddy to buddy Relationships with most of the clients that we have. Which means that we are pretty deep into what the repercussions Are or what the idea is or what the problems it is that They are trying to solve with whatever piece of software That we are writing for them. So on purpose we try to be Very clear about who are the investors that are not going to Be happy if this doesn't ship on time or how much internally are You investing in this or when are the marketing deadlines. If you have to print a book at a certain period of time and You have to have marketing materials done and that means The ui needs to be finished and that means the designs Have to be done and everything has to be in there. What happens when we don't hit that deadline? What does plan b look like? What does plan c look like And we have been fairly lucky to have worked mostly with Clients that already have those plan b and plan c in place. That has a tendency to make the relationship that we have With a client or customer fairly relaxed because they already Have contingency plans in place. And i think that having Those contingency plans in place which we don't Have particular contracts but probably should are fairly Important for maintaining good and happy relationships with Clients. But again that part of it i think is And we see that a lot. On the open source side of it with Buddy press or bb press less with word press because they Are very strict about hitting deadlines and release dates. With buddy press and bb press we set goals. We know what it is that we want to achieve. We have long timelines and what the features are that we want To ship. But if we don't ship those features No one is mad. So in the real world where Someone is paying you to ship features on time that's Almost really your only goal. Your only job is to get this Done by this time and if that is not a thing that you Are able to do you have to know the second that you think that It is not possible to reach that deadline is the second that Everyone that it matters to needs to know because they are Going to need to make decisions about when they are going to Implement contingencies. Can marketing materials go out In time? Can we actually ship this to market for whatever Reason at this time? And it's terrible if you can't. But as everyone grows and gets better and becomes more Educated and experienced with what they are trying to Accomplish and do you get closer and closer to hitting the Mark every single project and time and thing that you Build into. So no one expects at Least in my experience for anyone to be super flawless at This because there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of People that have a lot of agendas about what it is That they want to see happen. Even completely unwritten Agendas that come up in the middle of meetings all the time And that would generally be what i would classify as scope Creep. Here's this magical unicorn Idea of a thing that isn't anywhere in the spec that you Suddenly thought we were going to complete by some day that Didn't ever come up until now two days before you want to Ship. Okay, well, good luck. That will be v2. We will work on that together. But that is a thing that just cannot happen if you want to Ship this today. These are complex things. Like we're not, like, i can't really cook eggs very well and I've cracked 10,000 eggs for my wife in the morning making Breakfast before she goes to work.  How do you get them to be perfect? And people that can do This are professionals. They can boil and make eggs Perfect, flawless, every single time. That's not what i do, right? So i have written enough software and managed enough projects Where i am usually pretty good at doing this. But it is possible to be terrible at it one time every Once in a while and ruin an egg or two, i guess. Hand up first over here, and then you. Sure, that's a good question. For the live stream, what are Some of the larger wordpress installs and when is That? what do i use to identify whether or not wordpress is a Good fit for that project, right? so how i would define large Is maybe a little different. I would use wired magazine as a Good example of a site that is a large wordpress installation. Also, they have lots of sort of material, like case studies on Themselves on what they have done to make wordpress a Scale for what it is that they need for it to do. Wired magazine was originally a bunch of separate wordpress Installations for their different chapters or segments in Wired, and they spent a few years combining all of these Wordpress installs together, not even into a multi-site Install, but all into one big site. And so for that, big to me means they just have archives Of years worth of content. And that i think is probably A traditional wordpress site that eventually every type of Online publisher would hope to achieve. And their approach was to put it all into one site on purpose. They could have used multi-site. They could have spread the pain Across multiple sites and multiple whatever, but they didn't Have a need for that. They built a really robust, neat Editorial tool on top of the visual editor so that their Editors could pass articles off to each other. There is a plugin called edit flow that's very good for Something like that to start with for a deep editorial process, But they ended up massaging it and building something a little Bit more on top of it. But large could also just Mean the number of users. It could mean how many users Traffic to that site at any given time. And for that, like, wired is not a bad example, either, Because they get lots of traffic all the time. But in terms of users, wordpress.com and .org are the Two biggest ones that i would have experience seeing. Wordpress.com is in the millions, 80 million users probably Because you have to have a wordpress.com account to have a Gravitar and to have access to jetpack. So there are at least 80 million users at this point. Wordpress.org probably has close to 9 million users now. I would have to check. Granted, not all of those users Are logged in at the same time. They're not all interacting With .com or .org at the same time. But in terms of user base, they're enormous. They're a big, big install. And then when wordpress is not A fit is a hard question for me to answer? Because wordpress is my hammer and everything is a nail. Like, i am going to try and find a reason to use wordpress In most things. And if i can't, it is not Like, it's all that i know now. It's all that i will largely Work with. So most things can be done or fit Into a wordpress installation or can be built on top of it. When you consider, right, that like facebook as an example Runs on a very similar stack of technology that wordpress runs On. It uses something called php. It uses mysql. And then it uses all of the similar Caching bits. Facebook just happens to open Source all their own stuff for scaling this type of application To billions of page views and things a day. So wordpress itself as a piece of software can handle An enormous amount of traffic and data. So it's hard for me to imagine not using it for something. Particularly if you were, and this happens a lot where we see Companies that flip around that might be on drupal and think About moving to wordpress or which cms should i use and why. And these are decisions that are largely influenced by People, by the players that are on those teams or in those Companies to make the decision to say we are switching platforms. Why? because we can't, wordpress is terrible or we don't like it And we're going to move everything to drupal or whatever. Why is that really? well because someone's buddies with Someone at a company that decided to tell them that That was what they needed to do. They got information and They're acting on that information. In the end of the day, you're just, you're mashing Your food around on the plate. It's going to take three Years to move your food around and move your data and Get it going and launch and you're going to pay a bunch Of money and that's good because people, jobs are good and Everything else but at the same time, the end result will Just be stuff in a database and a way to manage the stuff That's in there that hopefully people like a little bit better. So i have a tendency to try and recommend wordpress for Just about everything that i can recommend it for. And it is a mature enough platform and there are enough Plugins that solve different niche problems in very advanced ways. WooCommerce i think is a good example. You can kind of turnkey have a shopping cart, integrate with stripe, Sell stuff online, immediately make money. Look out, right? Like you can own your own, have your own domain, Have your own site, sell stuff on your own without having Anybody do that for you. It's pretty incredible. Have your own social network, install buddypress, Turn a key, registration, profiles, groups, activity streams, Friends, all this stuff and it costs you zero dollars. Okay, like all of these tools are free and you can get a very Good foundation head start into building any project with Wordpress. What people pay you for, What particularly enterprise clients will pay you for is Largely implementation details. Tell us what we don't know About solving this problem using this tool. That is why you pay someone to pour concrete at your house. That is why you pay a mechanic to fix your transmission. You might be able to figure that out, but it is not valuable For you to try and do those things on your own. It might be a learning experience and it might be cool and you Might be able to feel accomplished having done those things, But someone wants to actually do those things and get paid To do it so that you don't have to. That is what you do as a project manager or a developer, Particularly with an enterprise client that has Relatively high expectations and usually an exacting Specification. So there was another question Over here. Sorry for rambling. So that is a good question. The question for the live stream is What methodologies do i use or do i recommend or am i sort of Familiar with, really? And there are a bunch. Agile tends to be the one that most people that we work with Or something agile-ish, right? Right. It definitely depends. We do end up, we have. We try not to. I know that sounds terrible. But we, for us, we are a small Company that tries to work quickly. And in order to do that, at least in our experience, it Becomes increasingly more difficult as the number of people That are involved in the direct day-to-day decision-making of What is happening increases. So agile, like if you were going To use what is the piece of software, the atlassian thing, What is it? Yeah, yeah. So if you were going to use jira, Which jira has a little warm place in my heart because it Reminds me a lot of track, which is what we use for all the Dot org stuff. Except it's a lot more. They have coined their own terminology that's all the Agile, like epics and stuff. So we are familiar and we will Work inside of that. But even in our experience of Multiple firms that use jira that all have all their Stuff set up and working and going, we spend a lot of time in Jira communicating and not doing stuff. And so the stuff that happens, it's work for a lot of people. But then like you have, it's the maker-manager thing, right? There's lots of studies about like the maker has to make a Chair and the manager is going to manage how the chairs get Made and yes, you need each other. It's super important that everyone is working together And having a good time. But at the end of the day, the Guy that makes the chair is going to put the manager aside And sit and actually build the chair, right? The chair has to happen. So a lot of the times jira or Track end up, I don't want to say over-adopted because You want people to use it. It needs to be the canonical Place for that stuff to live. But if it is the only Place that things happen and people start to value the Communication that happens there, more than the things that are Being accomplished is a problem. So it is largely agile ish for What we do. Even internally, like our company, We have a tendency to just use git lab for the code and for The issue management that we do internally. So essentially it's a way to take what is happening in Jira that is facing either the client owns or that is Client facing issues and work. And that is the Place where the communication with a client is going to Happen. They're going to know to publish and Put things in either their jira or ours. And then we're going To communicate back and forth in that place. And then what happens is we take what is in there, we Take, we figure out what the priorities are there. And internalize a lot of that in our own git lab install. As a company of primarily developers, it's a little Bias to use something like this. But we're fairly used to just Working through issue after issue after issue and solving Problem after problem after problem very methodically. And what happens in jira is you have all these like if You're not familiar, maybe most of you are, is a project Management tool essentially with methodologies underneath it To prioritize and decide when things need to happen in What order and who those things are important to. So believe it or not, jira i think is one of the better tools to Do this compared to track compared to base camp at this Point which i know people try to use for this kind of thing. But we use git lab internally because it's open source, the Same as word presses. We can own it the same way That we would own or host any word press installation that we Would try and run. And it gives us the issue Management, it gives us private repositories for people to work on Separate things on their own, users and how they're going to Interact with code or projects. We can set milestones and Delivery dates for things. But it's a much more simple Interface than jira. But it is important if what You're trying to do is build a relationship with a enterprise Client to be versatile and comfortable fitting into whatever Their methodologies are. Largely, i say agile ish because Even when they're using jira like the right way, everyone has Some quirk, some part of it that they don't use or some way that They use a different tool to do a different thing. If you have something to share, that was a good time. If you have other insight. But that's the way that we would Largely do it. The reason we internalize a lot of Stuff is because there's a lot of when ideas are forming, there Is a lot of talk that the client doesn't care about. If that happens on a telephone or in slack or in some other Chat-based tool, you lose the context of that conversation And that should live in an issue or on a place that Maybe the client shouldn't care about. So the archival of that conversation becomes really Important because you need to be able to point back as a project Manager and say, hey, developer, we talked on Tuesday, you said That this would be done on Thursday. Not on the phone like I thought this is what you said, but these are the words You wrote on that day. But the client shouldn't care About the turmoil that is happening right there. They'll figure that out on their own. So that's usually how we would work. You may not have that luxury. We've had that, too. Everything is in giro. You just got to do it and deal With it. And that's okay. So i've got a five-minute warning. I think i've got time for Another question or two since everyone is piling in for the Next person. Just kidding. That's tough. So the question is how do you deal With contractors that maybe aren't as fluent with the Wordpress code base or way of doing things? And that is hard. That has bitten us a few times. That has bitten us even with working with a company and They have an internal person who is their, like, wordpress Expert who is the best person that everyone in that circle Of people knows at wordpress, but they're maybe not Necessarily meshing or jiving well with where we are With what we're trying to do. And that's tough. That's tough anywhere. It's tough on any team if you Just have someone that isn't fitting in. Contractors, i mean, if you are considering trying to go After a whale of an enterprise-style client that is a Big-dollar kind of thing, then you've probably already Been a contractor yourself. And that means that you have Both had really awesome gigs and really terrible gigs while You're learning how to be a contractor. So usually the best thing to do if someone isn't working out Is to cut the cord early and have the tough conversation that Says, like, we need you to change. We need this. We need this. It's not working. It's not working. Okay, well, sorry. Time to go. It is a terrible Conversation to have, but if they're in the way and They're not a direct hire, then that's their job. Their job is to come in and try and solve a problem if They can't. Someone has to. And that's the luxury of being a contractor. You can kind of plug yourself in and plug yourself out and Plug in another contract if you need to. I think for contractors specifically, i mean, yes, You have a contract, i guess, but the terms of that Contract should say that you actually complete the work, Right? So if you're not completing the work, you Always have that to go back to.  Is that you are not a direct hire. You're not directly responsible.  And you kind of come and go. It depends. It depends on if it's worth Educating them, too. We have definitely spent a Lot of time trying to get someone ramped up to speed that Had the potential to ramp up very quickly. So even if their first pass is terrible, you can still Provide some feedback and help them grow as a person. Granted, do you have the budget? Do you have the time? Do you have that luxury to try and be that person? So that is usually the default, is can we help and work together? And if you can't, then the tough conversation has to happen. So, gosh, what do you do now? We've got three minutes. Zero minutes. Zero minutes. Well, thanks for coming. Hope you had fun. And if you want to follow me on the twitters, i'm jjj.


The sun will come up, Tanaka, bet your bottom dollar that, Tanaka. Anyways, welcome to the talk and Yanks pre-game show, exciting, big one, Jimmerfordette. Yanks raised first place on the line, Edwin Encarnacion makes his debut for the Yankees, Tanaka Tuesday on a Monday. Yeah, Necherinos, for the raised, don't get much better than what you mean. The sun will come out, Tanaka, bet your bottom dollar with Tanaka. The sun will shine, anyway, Tanaka. Every time that cracks me up.  The Rays are a good team, the Yankees are a good team, and they're division rivals. We played each other a lot, and I was thinking about like the bullpen, and there shouldn't be any punt days this series from the Yankees. Like, we are trying to win. We got Edwin today, we get Stanton tomorrow. Don't tell yourself that, buddy, don't tell yourself that. That's how you end up in a tough spot. That's true, but we got Edwin today, Stanton tomorrow. We got Tanaka on the bump today. I'm excited, man. This feels much different than the four-game set over Father's Day weekend in Chicago. That felt like a fuck-around time. This feels like we better win this series. Yeah, and we've got a lot of games coming up with the Rays.  And yeah, a couple of different dynamics from them. We've seen them a couple of times. We now know who Austin Meadows is. They have one of the guys who's supposed to be their catcher, Mike Sinino. So we'll get a look at him this time. We'll see if that affects anything. But I mean, right now, everyone's waiting for Boston to turn on that gas pedal. Every time they do, they sputter out a little bit. Right now, these are the two teams that are the class of the AL East. And I mean, it's summer. It's go time. I even think just having casually watched some sports center and ESPN in the past 24 hours, like they did a big thing on Cody Bellinger. Like the NBA title was one. The NHL hockey is one. Like it's kind of baseball time and NBA transactions. But like it's kind of we're at the point in the season. If you had a bad start, it's not a bad start anymore. It's like you're potentially having a bad season. If you had a good start, you'd potentially be having a great season. So we're in the thick of it, Jim. And first place, quote, unquote, on the line. Yeah, we got Tanaka on the bump. Where's my shirt? You like him? Yeah, I only love him. Can't find my shirt. Anyway, Tanaka and a good lineup. Let's do the lineup right away. It is DJ LeMayu's batting leadoff playing third base. Luke Voight playing first, batting second. Hicks batting third in center field. Gary is cleaning up at catcher. Edwin Encanathan makes his debut in pinstripes as the DH. DeeDee's that short. Glaber's that second. Cameron Maven in the eight hole in right field. And Gardner in left field. Tachman, Romine, and Urs Schuller on the bench. And Tanaka on the bump. It's a good lineup, right? Yeah, I think it's funny, Jim. I think just a little mini progression I just made in my head. Especially with G coming back tomorrow is you've mentioned for a couple weeks now how every day we've had enough talented people that our lineup should be, our top six should be really strong. We should be really happy with the top six in our lineup. I think we've made a jump today. I think from here on out, we should be pretty stoked with the top seven in our lineup. And I mean, we're seeing that today. Which, yeah, it's awesome. I don't know if this is why people call me a Hicks hater. I mean, Deedee's been swinging the bat pretty well. I wouldn't mind seeing him and Hicks flip-flop. But I don't actually care about that at all. It's just a small observation. And excited to see what the boys can do against Yanni Turinos. Well, Yanni's usually more of a headliner than an opener. Like, he's not going to go one or two. Like, if Yanni can give them four, I think he's going to give them four. Yeah, I mean, he's got 75 innings pitched on the year. He's, you know, which is more than some of our starting pitchers, 288 ERA. He's really been twirling it. His fifth is a little higher than that, if you're into that. Deed's only allowed 56 hits in 75 innings. His whip is under one. But less than a strikeout per innings. So I think there'd be some analytics that would tell you he's due for a little regression. But we've seen Yanni. I mean, he kind of throws it in cruise control. And he starts pitching pretty well. So yeah, I mean, there's a chance we could see Yanni once or twice through the lineup. I'm not really sure, Jim, why they're not going with a Stanick or one of their opener guys. But I thought I read somewhere that their opener thing has not been going as well as last year recently. But I could be so wrong about that. But I remember reading something like, is it time to maybe not do the opener as often? Right. But I don't know where I read that, and if it was a valid opinion or whatever. Jim, you know what it might be, man? I think Yanni has been so good. He's pitched his way out of the opener. His last four appearances, he's been the starter, and he's continued to pitch well. So I think the Reyes still have that mentality that if you're good, if you're Snell or if you're a class know who we saw earlier in the year, if you're pitching, well, we'll let you start. We don't really care. I mean, yeah. I guess Yanni's earned that right. His last two appearances, he's thrown 101 pitches, eight innings, and six. So yeah, he's just a starter now. Cool. Yeah. Good for the Reyes. They have just a starter. But for Yanni. Trinos, he faces, he faced the Yankees as a headliner. He pitched the third to the sixth, and then the third to the seventh in back-to-back games. Four innings pitched, two earned runs, 4.20 runs. The last two times he faced the Yankees, which, I don't know, one of them's good. One of them's not that good. We've never really blown Yanni up this season, at least. And good numbers versus Yanni. Luke Voight is four for five off as Yanni Trinos, Jake. That's an 800 batting average, just to let you know. Gio Rochelle is on the bench today. He's three for four, though. No one else has anything. DJ LeMay used one for four with a home run, but nothing really else going there. With Yanni, what's Yanni throw, Jake? Yanni, Trinos, a lot of pitches. I'm not really sure, man. I was just looking at his baseball reference page, and I thought it was interesting. He's not a huge ground ball. He's not a huge fly ball. He's not a huge strikeout. It just seems on different day, he does different stuff to you. He's got big ground ball days. He's got big fly ball days. So I don't know if the league has our sweet Yanni, Trinos figured out yet. He throws a sinker, so a two-seam fastball, 55% of the time, 93, 94 miles per hour. Pretty nasty. And then to get the cross-action, he throws a slider, 88. So those whistling each other. The old whiffle ball action.  Little splitter going on. Yeah, a couple of splits, Tanaka and Yanni. But yeah, he's having a really good year.  Jim, I'll rip through the rays because we haven't mentioned who's with Yanni, Trinos. We got Austin Meadows leading off Tommy Pham, saying the All-Stars will never be fair. Second, Brandon Lowe, he blows. Abyssal Garcia, G-Man Choi, an old friend of the program. Kevin Kiermeyer, Willie Adamas, always plays well against the Yankees. Joey Wendell and Mikey Z, Mike Zanino behind the dish. Yeah. I don't know. Austin Meadows, Tommy Pham, still make me nervous, but there's no one else in that lineup that I fear. I know they're good. And collectively they can beat you. I'm not trying to diss anyone, but like when like, I mean, I look at that lineup, it's Meadows and Pham. Are they, and are they still hot right now that are like, hey. I mean, they're still having good seasons. I know, yeah, it's kind of funny, like someone like Brandon Lowe and Joey Wendell, I always, I put those guys in the same bucket, like expect one of them to have a good series. Kiermeyer's not a fearful at bat, but you expect him to have one big hit, kind of same with Adamas. And then, yeah, Abysseil Garcia feels like a guy, he either has a great day or he doesn't do much to you.  Hello, Slump. Wow. Pham's hot, Meadows is in a slump. So in his last seven games, Austin Meadows is two for 25, 148 on base percentage. So he's slump, that's good to know. He's in a terrible slump right now. Tommy Pham is hot and Diaz is hot. Turns into a do you believe and do. So yeah, and I, man, Yanni Diaz, he put some at bats against us, like I don't know, I'm more scared of him than G-Man, I think, but I don't know, it's a lot of dancing and a lot of talk for a team that's been neck and neck with us for first all year. And I mean, when we saw Meadows previously, he was so good and now he's in a slump and that's baseball, Susan, do you believe in do? Let's play ball, Jim. Okay, let's do it. You got a what to watch for? Any new guys on the team with paired arms? I mean, that's too easy, right? Right, that's the layup. I'll just do more, I'll make my, my what to watch for Tanaka, I'll talk more about Tanaka. Okay. He's faced the raise twice this season already, Jake. Yep. Seven innings pitch, one earned run, and then six innings pitched, zero earned runs. He had a complete game shutout versus the raise last year, a six innings pitch, two earned runs last year. He's good against the raise for some reason. He has been in somewhat of a slide. His last three starts has been four earned runs, all three of them, and all three of them have been like, good, good, good, good, good, horrible inning, good, good, good. It's like one horrible inning, and it just comes quick, and usually there's like a bad defensive play involved, and then a base hit, then a home run. So, need Tanaka to avoid that one bad inning, and we're gonna need good defense behind him. I think we have a good defensive lineup. I mean, you have Hicks, Maven, and Gardner in the outfield, that's good. We have DJ at third. We got Didi and Glaber at second. I mean, we got good defense behind Tank, so hopefully that helps him. So, I mean, we need Tanaka to go to do what he does against the raise and not do what he's been doing recently. There's my watch for it. Avoid that one blow-up inning. That would be great. And yeah, you mentioned he's been great this year. I think it was back-to-back weekends that he went mono-a-mono with Snell and outpitched him. Yes, yeah. If I remember correctly. So, yeah, always get some bright lights and some tank, and should be a little extra energy. Fight for first place. Edwin joined in the team, so hopefully the boys can feed off that a little bit. My what to watch for, Jim, I'll do the verbal meme, the My Next chapter, the Kevin Durant post, put him in Yankee's jersey. No, you and I talked about this on our, yes, today's episode, if you listen, thank you, if not, go check it out. The Yankee's first chapter of the season kind of played out.  It was a lot of fun, and who's gonna do it on this day? Cameron, Maven, Geo, or Shella, different guys stepping up and doing their part.  Still a lot of yabos, too. We got, what, in a 19-game home run streak going on. But we fell into kind of a two-week holding pattern after the Red Sox series, with a couple road trips that were just sloppy, and it was like we were looking for what the next chapter was gonna be, and now it is here, Edwin's joining the team today, Giancarlo's joining the team tomorrow, potentially Judge joining the team later this week. The new chapter has begun, and Jim, I mean, it's kind of gonna be a new chapter of the Yanks-Rays kind of rivalry this season. Like I was saying, it's mid-June. The Rays aren't just gonna flake out, and I wanna see, you know, is the intensity up a little bit from either side? Or are the Yankees, or the Rays, is someone gonna try to put the throttle down? You'd like to think it'd be the Yankees at home with Edwin and a little new energy in there, but I'm excited to see kind of what this new chapter of the Yankees is, and maybe it takes a little bit to come together, maybe it doesn't, maybe they hit the ground running, but that's what I'm watching out for. Hopefully tonight's the kickoff. Kickoff to the next chapter. We might have to wait till Stan, this is like a buffer, like hey, now loading. It could be, it could be. Because bullpen days, the Rays, well it's not a bullpen day, Terino's a starter. A bullpen day. We gotta think of, start thinking of him differently. All right, so next up, next up, Jake. Oh yes, it's the Homer Draft, it's the Homer Draft. It's the Homer Draft, Homer Draft, it's the Homer Draft. If anyone that's watching doesn't know what is happening, Homer Draft. Jake chooses two, I choose two. We can't have the same people in the same game. We can't choose the same person twice in the same series. This is a three game set. I get the first pick, I just did the math on it. And it's a pretty interesting development here, Jake. But I'm taking Gary Sanchez with my kick. Because one of the why is really good and I like him a lot. And if he Homer'd and I didn't have him, I'd be upset. Yeah, he's a famed first pick of the Homer Draft. I'm gonna go with King Louis V. He mentioned his numbers off of Yanni so far. And hopefully he can get one. And let me go with Sir Dede Gregorius. Well, I thought, so you're not gonna choose Edwin, make his presence known, establish dominance right away. Not what you're feeling, huh? You know I don't think Edwin's going yard tonight. Is that bet I made? What was the bet? The hot sauce in the eye.   It was one of those hilarious, like I never said it. But let's roll with it, you know? If you never said it, then why did I say that you said it?  You think lying in small doses is funny. Whoa. And that's so true. What are you talking about?  Are you taking, you're taking Edwin? No, I don't think he's gonna homer today. He's only got four homers versus the race. He will homer at some point during this series. And then we'll get to say, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, the race, you're paying for that, you know? That'll be so fun. Everyone will run that joke through the ringer and they'll be great. I'll do it. I'll do it once. No, I'm not gonna take Edwin. I'm gonna save Edwin for later. And instead, instead, instead, I'm gonna take Hicks. Okay. Deal? 10 point, yeah. Yeah, short porch, he's back. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so Jake has Voight and Deedy. I have Gary and Hicks in game one versus the race. Jake, next up, next up is the Overunder. Overunder, what do you think? Tank and Yanni, Yanni pitching really well. I'm gonna guess eight and a half. That's a really strong guess, Jim. I'll go eight, I'll go eight just to be a little different, but I love that guess, nine. Wow. I gotta put some faith in Tank, I know it all. I've been so bad in the Overunders. I've been so bad. Yeah, no, I like the under today.  Yanni's been pitching well, Tank pitching well against the race, it all makes sense. That's how Vegas gets you. Yeah, I didn't know Vegas, yeah. You wanna go see what the chat's talking about? We got something good. Do you say if we gotta get something good or got something good? If we get something good. Well, let's see. Scrambled egg with 100,000 subscribers said, can you shout me out please? Is that considered good or bad, Jake? Bad. Okay. Y'all take Edwin in the Homer draft? We did not. Oh, someone chimed in and said that they're watching from Scotland. I thought that was cool. How about that? Gorgeous. Are the Dodgers the best team in baseball, Jake? No. Okay. Okay. Oh, a lot of people were talking, I'm hearing rumors that the Giants or Indians would want Floral and Fraser to deal for either Bauer or Bum. If Mad Bum cost Floral or Fraser, that's insane. Yeah, I don't know. I think Floral would make a little more sense. A little more sense, but Clint for a rental doesn't make any sense in my brain. Yeah, I don't know. I think I link things back a little more to all this Chapman trade a little more than you do as we talked about last night, but yeah, I mean, Floral would make a little sense. I don't know. And I think if we got you in an honest moment, if the Yankees, if it was just Clint Fraser for Mad Bum, I think you'd shrug and say, all right. Oh, I don't, I have zero interest in Mad Bum. Right. Okay. He's not that good anymore and he plays in the NL West. Like, we'd be wishing for the same magic Verlander got when he went to the Astros. Like we'd be trading for 2019 Bum Gardener, hoping he somehow turns into 2015 Bum Gardener and then paying a price. I don't, what are really exciting? I mean, if he comes over and he's a stud and he's wrong, great, but he's currently in a pretty easy league pitching good, not great. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's some teams. I mean, people just asked us if the Dodgers were the best team in baseball. You got the Rockies are a really good hitting team. So I don't know, it's 3870 RA 93 innings and he's Mad Bum. I don't know. Yeah. He's Mad Bum doesn't do anything for him anymore. Like he's not in that tier in my brain anymore. So like, and he's just a true rental. So I don't think he would, I don't think he's going to cost a lot. I think he's going to cost around what Hap cost last year. Hap was a better pitcher at the time in a harder division. So I think that's my gauge for that price. Yeah, at least by us girl. Who? I mean, yeah. You don't have a DH and you have some of the most hitter friendly ballparks going. It's Into the least hitter friendly ballparks, Callum. What are the least hitter friendly ballparks? Coors in Arizona. Oh yeah. On that side. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.  It's Oh no, I think I mean, Coors in the Diamondbacks field are hitter's paradises. Yeah. But then the giants and the Dodgers and what are the other ones? What's the other one I'm blanking on? Pots. Yeah. All right. I'd still do in division recaps. No, those take so much time. I'd need to like hire an intern to get the footage for me. We will be doing like, when we do start our MLB podcast, we'll do that stuff, but those videos take way too long. All right. There might be some more questions. Trevor Bauer. Tune into our voicemail episode tonight. I'm sure there'll be some of that. Yeah. If you're Yankee centric and then Zach Grankey, Zach Grankey ain't coming to New York. How about Zach Grankey's quote about how throwing a no hitter seems like a bigger deal because then you have to like deal with the media and the hoopla that comes with it. What does he think comes with winning a World Series? Yeah. But I mean, I guess what he's saying there is it's just one game. Like you just won one game. If you win the World Series, at least you've won the World Series. I love it. But it is kind of, he just hates, like you said, he wishes people didn't enjoy watching baseball. Yeah. Loves playing. Loves pitching. Doesn't like that people like watching it. All right. See you guys.


you watching Beyond Grenade today, and today we're going to talk about the new Shea Moisture line, which is the Peace Rose Oil Complex Collection. First of all, can we talk about these new bottles? I absolutely love these new squeeze bottles, because I personally am just not a fan of products that have pumps like this, but here's their older bottle for the Jamaican Black Castor Oil. But it's really hard to hold this with one hand, and you're cranking over here when you're in the shower, because the thing gets slippery, and you're pumping really hard, and if it's a really thick product, it's just doing too much. But now, with the squeeze bottles, just good to go. I saw this thing online where Shea Moisture said that they are listening to all the comments that we have to say, and they're taking our advice, and one of them was the squeeze bottle. So thank you for the squeeze bottles. Not only is it convenient, I just think they look super cute. Like now they're these long, pretty pink bottles, and I'm all about presentation. And I recently just got three different new lines from Shea Moisture, and I didn't know which one I wanted to review for you guys first, but then I picked up the bottle. Look how cute my nails look up against this bottle. So I really had no choice. So I have these shampoo and conditioner, the full name is the Peace Rose Oil Complex Nourish and Silken Shampoo, as well as the Peace Rose Oil Complex Nourish and Silken Conditioner. Now right on the front, it says no sulfates, no parabens, no mineral oil, no propylene glycol, no phosphophilates, and no animal testing. And like I said in my last video about checking products, make sure you always check the back. And yep, they are telling the truth. Now right on the front of the bottle, it says it's supposed to hydrate and soften dry and brittle hair. So if you have dry hair, this one's for you. Along with the shampoo and conditioner, I also have the two styling products. This is their Styling Gel Cream and this is their Hold Mist. Now the first thing I have to say about this line is that it smells amazing. It's definitely the best smelling Shea Moisture line that I've tried. And I've tried a lot. If you like the fruity scents, this one is not a fruity scent. This one does smell like roses, literally like roses. It's amazing. It has a very strong perfume floral scent. Since I'm new at a Target and you see this, just open the bottle and take a little whip. I don't know of them. Okay, I mean don't get weird about it, like don't stick your nose in it or like lick it or anything. Just take a quick smell and just, you know, just test the scents. It's not a problem, right? Now let me tell you about the shampoo. Although it is sulfate free, it has some other type of alternative so we still get the bubbly sensation. I know that there's like no poos out there that don't lather at all, but I just honestly feel really weird when my shampoo doesn't have any bubbles. Like I feel like I'm not cleaning my hair and I'm probably applying more product than I need to because I'm waiting for the bubbles, but they never come. So although products that don't have the bubbles, I know that they're actually doing just fine for my hair and they are cleaning my hair. I personally just like the bubbly sensation. And luckily a lot of hair companies have found alternatives so that it can be sulfate free which creates the bubbles, but not actually have sulfates. So we still get that bubbly, you know, commercial feel when we wash our hair. Now with the conditioner, a little did go a long way. I mean I'm not going to use like a dime size because as curly girls we never use a dime size of conditioner. But it did do really well. It had pretty good slip and I enjoyed the smell. I know that these are in Target and they're $8.99 apiece and you also can order these online as well. Now let's talk about the styling gel. Anytime I hear the word gel, I do get a little nervous because when I think of gel, I think of my old gel and I think of crunchy curls, but I did apply this to my hair and it had a slight hold in the beginning but after they went on, they softened up. It was not like a stiff curl where I could like lift it and it would just be straight up. It's not that bad. So it did leave nice, defined curls without the crunch. So this is approved. And if you guys watch my other videos, you know that one of my main concerns when doing styling products is that I just like to use one. I don't really like to mix a lot of products. And this product did work for me and my curls all on its own. So once again, smells amazing.   This scent does not wear off. I went to the gym the next day and my hair still smelled good after the gym. Just saying. So if you don't like floral scents or like your nose is sensitive, it might be a little too much for you.   And then I could be like, I know, right? The Styling Gel is currently $11.99 at Target and also on their website. And now the Styling Mist. I had a mixed relationship with mists before. I didn't really know what to do with them because I figured if I put on one product and it was fine, what is the mist for? But I have now started using mists for second day curls. So technically, I washed my hair with this product and applied the gel yesterday. Went to the gym today, took a shower, didn't wash my hair. But to revive my curls, instead of adding more product like creams like I usually do, I'm now using mists on my second day hair. So what I do, I apply some water to my hair and then I squirt some of this mist all around it, then I mix it in there and boom! That is how I got these day two curls. And usually, you know, day two, day three could be better than day one. But I still have that great definition and just enough hold on top from the Styling Mist, which says it's going to add shine and hold. And I think it did. And the mist also has the rose scent. My mom just said someone smells good and I knew she was talking about me. Watch this. Hey, mommy. Can you come here? Come smell my hair. I'm not going to be in the room or anything. Go ahead. No, no. Come smell my hair. Yummy. What does it smell like? It's roses. Oh, it smells like the roses at Mammoth's house. Sure does. Smells good, huh? There you go. Perfect. Now, although that they are a much prettier and sleeker bottle, now you can put two bottles side by side in your little bathtub corner, these old bottles do contain more product. So this bottle is 10.3 fluid ounces. And then these are 13 fluid ounces. They're losing about three ounces with the new bottles, but I should look into the prices. So according to the website, their old conditioner bottles seem to be 10.99. So if these squeeze bottles are 8.99, then they did notice the size difference and they made these a little bit cheaper. If you guys see this in stores compared to the tall bottles and the old bottles that they have both, let me know and leave me a comment and let us all know if the prices are different. But that is the only difference. And I honestly, if I had to choose, I'd buy the squeeze bottles. So that is my quick review on the new Peace Rose Shea Moisture line. I do love and approve these products. I will say that this is the best smelling Shea Moisture line. The shampoo conditioner worked great and the styling products worked well all on their own. These are my results using only these products. Now, I actually got two more lines from Shea Moisture. If you wanna know what they are, follow me on Snapchat at Ms. Bianca Renee. You also can follow me on Instagram at Ms. Bianca Renee. And you guys will always be the first to know what my next video is going to be. 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So, let us see the difference. So, this is what you will be calculating now, okay. So, the problem that we saw earlier, we assume dry air. Now we say no, it is not dry, it is 80 percent relative humidity. So, let us see what is the error you get in the calculations. So, to calculate this error, first of all, you will have to find out what is the value of E at sea level. Because in this case, the airship is flying at sea level and that to under IOSA conditions. So, which means you will have to get the value of, so apply this particular formula, get the value of ES for C of 15 degrees Celsius. Yeah, do not look at me, please do the calculation. So, C is not 0 in this case, C is the ambient air temperature in degrees centigrade. So, under sea level IOSA conditions, what is the temperature? 15 degrees centigrade. So, you put C equal to 15 and get the value of ES, 1695. Yeah, it was around 1700, correct. Units will be Pascals, units will be Pascals. So, the value of ES is around 1695. So, ES is 1695 and we have E as Rh by 100 into ES, where Rh is expressed in percentage. So, E will be 80 by 100 into this number or 0.8 times that number, 0.8 times 1700, okay, 1356. Now, let us go here straight. So, calculate the value of rho A with E included. PS is going to be ambient air pressure at sea level IOSA conditions which is 101325 Pascals. The value of E just now you got, multiply that value with 0.378. Subtract it from 101325, multiply this 0.003484 and divide by the ambient air temperature. In this case, the value of temperature is not centigrade. This is in Kelvin, 1.209, okay, 1.209, okay.  It should come to 1.2256. Let us check. Check what to do, that is known. So, no need to calculate anything. You can just do P by RT. If you do P by RT, you will get rho. P101325, R is 287 kg per degree Kelvin, T is 288.16. You will get 1.2256. So, against 1.2256, you got 1.209. So, what is the percentage error? So, if it is 1.219, what is the percentage error between that and 1.2256? 0.44 here depends on what you take as the baseline. Baseline should be 1.2256. It should be less actually. It should not be so much. 0.4%, yes, 0.36 or 0.4% is what I know. It should be 0.4%, right, correct, 0.4%. So, nothing great. We are worried about 0.4%. All these huge derivations Dalton law and Amagat law, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.4%, but that is only true at sea level and that 2 ISA conditions with humidity of 80%. Of course, humidity cannot be really more than 80, 90 versus 100% then it will condense. So, it may seem right now that this is the exercise in wilderness, but when you do this calculation for let us say ISA plus 30 degree centigrade, you will find this error will be 3.5%, 4%. And 3.5% error in the basic, see we are for airships the only source of lift is static lift. Dynamic lift is only a gift, only when you start moving. So, if you start with the 3.4% error on the basic calculations it is not acceptable. So, therefore, when you want to calculate the parameter that is important that you have exact numbers with you. So, this we have done now. Next concept very quickly to be done is the static lift. Static lift is you know difference. So the gross lift is rho A into V envelope into G, we have already seen this. And we also know from our, with all the errors in E which I will correct when I upload this slide, rho A can be related to this number. So, therefore, LG will be just put the value of rho A, it will be that same expression into V and V into G. So, this is how you can calculate the gross lift. It is nothing the same formula with you know V, E and V into G added at the end of it. Now, K is the static constant. This is different from the previous one because now we have G also. So, it will be 10 times more. It is a constant. So, you can say that the net or the gross not net gross lift is PS minus 1 minus RDW V into E upon TA times K into V ENV where K is a constant. So, if another volume is known to you if the relative density is known to you that also is known to you 1 minus RD is actually a fixed number for water vapor. So, it should not be a problem. So, let us take two very simple cases. Dry atmosphere gross lift is nothing but multiplication of these three things. Rho A we have already seen before. So, the gross lift is very simple. In dry air ignoring humidity, the gross lift is only PS by TA into K into V ENV. Easy to calculate. But when you have IFCA conditions then formula is the same but Rho becomes Rho S which is the standard ambient temperature and condition. Now, this is known to some students who have done aircraft design course and performance courses that density of air up to 11 kilometers in atmosphere can be assumed to vary because temperature varies linearly. There is a loss of 6.5 degrees per kilometer altitude. So, therefore, T by T naught to the power 4.259 gives you the pressure temperature ratio to the power will give you the density ratio. So, Rho S can be easily calculated for any operating condition in ISA. C level value Rho 0 which is 1.2256 multiplied by 1 minus L. L is the lapse rate. I am taking lapse rate as positive. Actually, L is negative. So, you can say 1 plus a negative number but be very careful. If you blindly apply formula, you will make a mistake. The value of L is 6.5 degrees last per altitude but it is taken as plus because the formula already has negative. So, by this you can calculate the value of Rho S. If Rho S is known to you, V envelope is known to you multiplied by G, you get the value of Rho G. This is a condition of dry ISA conditions and we are not assuming any value in a present. So, this is what we did also. This is what you calculated few minutes ago. Now, the last problem that I wanted to do today is I wanted to calculate the percentage loss in gross lift. When it is operated at an air field with pressure as 1 0 2 0 0 Pascal, temperature 27 degrees centigrade and an R H, this will be temperature. So, now to calculate this, what are the steps you will follow? First thing you will do is you will calculate the value of density of air at this condition. So, now the ambient temperature is also going to play a role and the ambient pressure also is not 1 0 1 3 2 5 but it is some other number. This is some air field where we read the values as 1 0 2 0 0 and we calculate the temperature. So, what steps will you follow? So, first thing you calculate is the saturated vapor pressure that is the value of ES. So, for that the same formula as before the value of C will be 27 degrees. So, first thing I need is how many Pascal did you get? 3 5 4 8 seems to be okay. You have used the approximate formula. The exact formula gives 3 5 6 6 you get 3 5 4 8, negligible difference. So, we will accept it. So, first thing you will do is you will calculate the pressure. Then let us see, can you now calculate the value of E which is the actual vapor pressure? 50 percent of this. Then now let us calculate the value of lift using this simple formula. So, what is the envelope volume you are taking? 7000 and what is the T A or T S you are taking? 300. So, you get 80.8 seems more appropriate 80.8 80.7 80.8 kilo Newtons. Now, what about the gross lift? This is in Newtons. So, suppose I want the force in kilograms is divided by the value of 9.807.