Good afternoon, everyone, Vermont, and on the line, I call this meeting for the advisory subcommittee for sustainability to order. I'm Tom Alaskao, and I'll take roll call for our subcommittee members, starting with Jacob Pulitzer. Here. Is this right, then? Billy Costa. No problem. No problem. We're still on schedule. Kim will watch them. I don't know if she was planning to attend today. Okay. Okay. And Stephanie Smith? Yep. Here. Okay. And the other CCB members in the room with you? Just myself, Kyle Harris, from a board member level. Thank you, Kyle. And Brynce. Brynce. Yep. Brynce here. You can scroll over to her. Oh. Do you want to be seen? You can. You can just stay here. I'm here. That's fine. I'm here. Bye. Thank you. Oh. And then I'm going to move on to the public as well. So since this is our first subcommittee meeting, well, thank you again for your attendance and reinstall of you that have made the effort in having you attend this subcommittee meeting. And since it's the first one, I wanted to do brief, and I want to emphasize the word and concept of brief, because we have much to do and discuss brief intros for our members before moving on with our agenda. And I'll be speaking very quickly because of our time constraints. Again, I'm Tom Nalasko. I'm the general counsel for the National Association of Cannabis Businesses, or the NACB, which is a national trade organization that specializes in creating standards and best practices for the cannabis industry. Our goal is to legitimize and elevate the growing cannabis market place. And part of our function that we do at the NACB is to consult with various state legislators and regulators as we are doing with this engagement. My personal background, I'm now a 20-plus year attorney, specialized in commercial or business litigation. I've been in the country for about 20 years, starting with cannabis lawsuits, partnership disputes that grew to, like with any good startups, they have legal needs of compliance, employment, real estate issues. I started serving on panels for the Arizona State Bar, where I'm based out of the panels throughout the country on issues ranging from licensing to AEDE to social equity. And so it's my privilege and the NACB is privileged to help coordinate these various subcommittee meetings and create good policy for the state of Vermont. So before getting into introductions, we're very knowledgeable and accomplished advisory subcommittee members. I wanted to introduce another member that's working with the NACB and specialist in this area of sustainability, Jacob Pulitzer. Jacob? Yes, thank you guys, everyone, for taking the time out of your day and joining this amazing sustainability subcommittee. I'm very happy to be chairing it. Honored and glad that Vermont is taking the initiative at the very beginning to make sure that sustainability, environmental impacts are thought about and included into the future recreational regulations. I guess a brief background for me. So I have a background in environmental science and management. I've been focusing on sustainability for the last probably 15 years. Cannabis sustainability specifically for the last seven. The co-founder of the Cannabis Conservancy where we created the first sustainability standards and certification body for the cannabis industry. I'm also a co-founder and board chair of Sun and Earth Certified, which is a regenerative cannabis certification. Also founding members of the City of Denver Cannabis Sustainability Working Group, the National Cannabis Industry Association's Cannabis Cultivation Committee and then the new Sustainability Council, as well as the co-founder of the Southern Colorado Cannabis Alliance, which seeks to bridge the cannabis industry with the conventional ag to help solve food security issues in a often underrepresented area of Colorado. And probably a few other things. And yeah, so mostly focusing on measuring and monitoring the environmental impacts of cannabis cultivation, as well as creating kind of national, internationally recognized best practices manuals. So kind of been completely immersed in the sustainability environmental impacts of cannabis cultivation indoor greenhouse and outdoor. And so while we do these brief introductions, I also wanted to throw in a question if you guys could answer, which is really what environmental impact is of greatest concern for you or your department agency? And I guess to answer that I think for me, not necessarily the greatest concern. But one thing I'd like to see is everyone always talks about energy, water and waste. But I think kind of environmental or ecosystem management and services and conservation and ensuring that there is a spot for craft cannabis and small farmers. I think it's really important in the industry in general, but specifically also to the Vermont market. Yes. So Tommy, do you want to call on someone else on the back? Thank you, Jacob. Yeah, we'll obviously get back to you shortly. Billy Koster, if you want to say hello and give a brief introduction. Sure. Good morning. Good afternoon. My name is Billy Koster. I'm the director of planning for the Vermont Agency and natural resources. I, my work involves a number of areas primarily related to land use, planning and energy siting on the regulatory policy, legislative side, my manager, agencies participation, Act 250, which is the state's land use law and represent the agency before our public utility commission on energy proceedings. And I work across our agencies three departments to coordinate on policy issues where we have, you know, kind of sharing interests across the enterprise and work closely with other state agencies and stakeholders on land use and energy issues. So just happy to be a point person to the technical staff and regulatory programs within our agency and help, you know, guide the work of the board to stand up the marketplace in a way that's environmentally sustainable and responsible and hopefully through a reliance of our existing book of environmental laws, which reminds quite robust and hopefully not seemed great need to go beyond what other industries already need to comply with. So happy to kind of fill gaps and provide information on how enterprises comply with our existing environmental regulations, but hopefully not seeing the need to do a ton of new work to expand existing protections. So thanks for having me. Excellent. Thank you, Billy. Stephanie Smith, if you want to say hello and give a brief introduction as well. Yep. So my name is Stephanie Smith and I work for the Vermont Agency of Agriculture, Food and Markets. I currently manage the hemp program, but I have experience with municipal land use planning, state environmental permitting, farmland conservation, composting and various other things. So I have the hemp background and a little bit of land use background and land use permitting. But yeah, I don't have anything really additional to add. I agree with Billy's sentiments about not reinventing the wheel related to some of the existing environmental permitting that exists in the state, but also finding clarity where that needs to happen and again filling gaps. Thanks. Thank you, Stephanie. And I still think we do not have Kim Watson, but maybe on Monday we'll be able to give her a chance to do an introduction for herself. And then, Kyle, I understand we have some folks in the room from the public as well, I think you said two. That is correct. Great. Thank you. And I want to make sure everyone knows that written public comments can be submitted electronically via the web form on the CCB website. They have been since May 2021. I want to ensure everyone that your comments have been received, reviewed and considered and we do appreciate your input. We'll be time for public comments and questions toward the end of our hour. And in addition, the CCB will be hosting dedicated meetings for public comments at both a Friday board meeting via the public link or at the CCB's public comment evenings, which will also be posted on the website. So your voice will be heard and will be considered. It's an important part of the process, but we do have some pressing deadlines upon us and it's critical we have some constructive communications between ourselves, Jake, and the board members to meet these deadlines. So I do not want the hour to be dominated by public comments. There will be there will be a time for that at the end. And again, your public comments and input can be made and addressed through the different avenues that I just mentioned. So, Jacob, I'm going to let you take over the enabling legislation for this week's Act 62 and 164. As everyone likely knows, the tasks that were listed on there are to develop regulations and standards for returning energy efficiency, groundwater considerations, solid waste, accommodations for small cultivators economic sustainability, and again, focusing on small cultivators. Those are some of the tasks that this subcommittee is is given to it. And so, Jacob, I'll I'll let you lay out. And again, this is this is the first meeting. So we're laying out kind of the scope and addressing some questions and our strategic plan ahead as we develop these. Jacob. Yeah, thank you, Tom. Real quick for jumping into the like the overview of subcommittee goals and outcomes. I did want to just mention that we did receive a few rain public comments. So I did want to address those real quick. There was one dealing with incentivizing LED lights over each PS, as they do with home cultivators, with the example of like a screen mount utility offering two hundred dollars per LED light. They had recommended establishing a separate tier fee structure and working with all utilities. So I didn't want to address that today. We'll be discussing that during the energy specific meetings that we have. But just to mention that we do want to encourage energy efficiency. And in my perspective, potentially not mandating it like they did in Massachusetts, which had seen the unintended consequences of utilities not offering rebates, at least at the beginning. So I just wanted to address that. And then there's quite a few comments and not necessarily we're dealing with sustainability, but more with the market in general, but had to do with making sure that the recreational cannabis industry follows or at least honors pertains to the Vermont pride that you have in food to table, you know, food models, the craft beer industry, that there's a direct consumer approach that allows far and so diversified offerings, what I would call kind of farm gate, as well as, you know, ensuring that there's the ability to create kind of a craft cannabis culture and kind of protections against multi-state operators, which I also recommend to kind of the direct consumers. So there's about three or four comments on that. And then lastly, like one comment on that 164 kind of favors indoor cultivation when cannabis are limited by square footage, I believe this comment here was referring to kind of the number of harvest you can get indoor versus outdoor. You know, it's usually one, if you're doing kind of like deprivation going to harvest, you can get up to kind of three kind of this season extending harvest. So I believe that's what they were talking about. But like, you know, mentioned the capital costs for indoor cultivation, which essentially creates a barrier to entry based on, you know, financial opportunities or financial ability. And then that the indoor expenses will essentially be leaving the state and not benefiting local economies. And then the large carpet and footprint of indoor roads. And they recommended adding kind of a plain town in addition or in lieu of square footage. So do you want to say that that will also be discussed as we get to the specific topics, but will definitely be are going to be considered. And then lastly, that there is definitely consideration for equity and inclusion, that, you know, core values of sustainability, equity, ethical responsibility will be considered as we go through this process. So I just want to address those written comments. Yes. So then moving on, how I had viewed since the first subcommittee meeting was taking kind of a macro level overview of what we want to accomplish. So we're all kind of on the same page as we start to really get into kind of more technical aspects of specific topics. And so I just want to make sure I don't skip something real quick. Oh, yeah. So looking at kind of the overview goals and outcomes. So my understanding is kind of Tommy just said that we are here to provide recommendations to inform the rule makings to the Vermont legislature. My understanding is what that looks like as far as the final deliverable has not been determined yet. So that is how we decide on what we actually provide to the Remarkants control board will be informed with us. Kyle, am I correct on that? Yeah, and Brent can correct me if I'm wrong. So the way that I understand this process unfolding is the subcommittee will and I don't know if there's a specific format that we determine, whether it's a couple pages, bullet points, combination of it, whatever, whatever the subcommittee, I guess at this point determines is the appropriate format for the board to easily digest recommendations is probably the way to go. The board will consider the subcommittees work, vote on that work if we are in favor of it. And if it meets our vision and mission statement that this inaugural board has kind of laid out in previous meetings, we'll vote on it if we vote favorably. It'll go to the legislature. Everybody's on board. It'll be the foundation of what informs our rulemaking process over the next couple months. I think that that's correct, Brent, but correct me if I'm wrong on anything. I don't have anything to correct. I mean, you just add that, you know, the advisory, the goal of the advisory committee is to advise the board and the board is going to submit its report to the legislature based on the guidance that received from the advisory committee and that report that goes to the legislature and the rules, the rulemaking process will all be informed by the advisory committee's work. So just in addition, no correction. Thank you. Yeah, so with that, you know, what I've seen from working in, you know, 10 other legalized states when it comes to these processes or how the rules have been rated in kind of unintended consequences is knowing that, you know, when you kind of write your rules, it's almost black and white, but we live in a very gray world into the interpretation and the attention, I guess, in the interpretation of, you know, the recommendations and ultimate rules, I think plays an important role. So kind of keep that in mind as we start to discuss these things. But I would say, and I'd like to hear kind of the other subcommittee members' opinions on this, but, you know, we are trying to see to mitigate negative environmental impacts and then, you know, the focus, you know, if we do our job correctly here would be focus on outcomes and kind of balancing the aspirational versus prescriptive as far as our recommendations. But kind of what is, I'd love to hear Billy and Stephanie kind of what your thoughts are on that as well. Sure, I think that's a great goal to have. I would just kind of temper it with the reality of time and capacity and the fact that, as I said earlier, Vermont has a very robust suite of environmental regulations to start with. I don't know if that's the case in a lot of the other states that have kind of recently legalized recreational cannabis. I think we're starting from a very high bar already. So I think, I would just encourage you to keep that in mind and I don't know that there's a lot of bandwidth within kind of the state government to stand up new programs or do anything additional for this sector unless it's absolutely necessary to maintain kind of environmental protections. I think having like medium and longer term goals to like improve conditions is a great thing and should be part of any sort of new effort. But I'm just understanding the timeline you're on just wary that, you know, anything new may be difficult to stand up in the short term. And I would encourage you to focus on where gaps exist or where there's unique aspects of this industry that does need kind of special provisions or special attention or guidance or technical assistance. I'm happy to be kind of persuaded otherwise, but that's kind of how I come to the conversation. No, I agree. I was just thinking relative to Act 164 specifically, whether or not there's a list of flex points related to sustainability and environmental regulation with this crop, is there, are there mandates that, I mean, and I've looked at it, but I'd be interested from the word perspective or from others' perspective and I don't have a list in front of me, maybe Claire. But what is mandated by the statute, where the flexibility exists? Because if we already know we have to do something and granted that could be for the short term until another legislative session comes around, but we might need to uncover what that mandate is and what the problem is with it and how to change it or it's fine the way it is and or where those flex points are. So for instance, section five of Act 164 talks about multiple potential opportunities to consider for making recommendations, but then there are other places in the law where it says, but this will happen. And so I'm just curious if we have that starting point in that box. Yeah, I started to for looking and reviewing Act 164, more with the eye of what are potential limitations for us or where the, what's great into the law has potential for unintended environmental consequences. So kind of taking that, I haven't done kind of a full gap analysis, but I do agree. Billy, what you're saying is we shouldn't be reinventing the wheel. I guess what I would love to have you as a reference point forward is now that cannabis is considered an industrial product as a commercial product and not agriculture. How does that, what implications are there for that and what potential ways do we need to encourage environmental things, because an industrial process is going to be different than an agricultural process as far as dealing with, I guess like process or licensing and one of the things I was looking at prior to this meeting was Vermont's kind of cottage food acts and how that could pertain to small farmers and like the oversight of those different agencies but how potentially that could be a guidance for some things to encourage kind of more small farmers and things like that. But yeah, seeing what's already in place with already being used, I think it's the best way to go forward for sure. Yeah, like I think there's kind of two questions, right? There's, this is the cultivation of cannabis is kind of traditionally an agricultural activity that's now being treated in a different way in the regulatory space. So what kind of updates, changes, questions need to be answered to facilitate that transition? Like, are there going to be new issues that arise because of that that we haven't anticipated and can we absorb them into the existing kind of regulatory frameworks or not? And if not, like what do we need to do to get ahead of it? The second question I think is what's the board's goal around kind of the type and mix of cultivators and processors and how can and should the kind of environmental and regulatory frameworks facilitate that outcome? And I think they're kind of separate questions. So, and they're both good ones but I think that's how I'm looking at it. Like I'm not clear what the board is trying to accomplish as far as like indoor outdoor scale mix. So I think as we learn more about that we can talk about how to kind of support and incentivize that through environmental review and regulation. But it seems like the first question might be where the kind of the gaps. I know Stephanie and I have had a couple of conversations around like things that have been traditionally agricultural haven't been regulated for like stormwater and things of that nature and necessarily how are we going to deal with hand cultivation or should we count it as cultivation? Yeah. And if you wouldn't mind what are your biggest concerns right now that you're seeing from traditional agriculture and potentially having this new industry with either farms expanding, incorporating existing farms getting into this industry or new farmers. I think it's probably more of the environmental concerns would be for new farmers who maybe not have the agricultural background coming into the industry. But sure. I think just generally speaking and you know it's kind of the use of water for irrigation. I think that's a manageable piece. It's not a significant concern but just trying to understand kind of the cumulative impact, the kind of consumption from any given operation at different scales. Like just trying to understand you know water consumption for irrigation or what that looks like and make sure it's within some kind of reasonable outside boards and if not you know then we can just figure out how we need to respond. And then the kind of management of organic waste, posts, harvest, post processing to make sure that you know to the extent possible we can try to dispose of those outside of landfills. I think landfills may be an option but to the extent that they can be composted or used otherwise I think there's an opportunity there. And then just this kind of interstitial space between ag and commercial if a farmer who has an agricultural operation also wants to grow cannabis which is not an agricultural crop. You know how do we bridge those things? It's on the same piece of property, it's the same equipment, you know maybe the same approach to irrigation, waste management. Like just understanding what opportunities may exist to provide some flexibility notwithstanding the law calling this a commercial activity. I agree with that as well. That you know just good agricultural management practices necessitate the rotation of crops and if we're putting cannabis in one field one year or every three years and switching it to another place how does that get addressed with that intersection between farming and a commercial non-ag commodity? And maybe we should use the same laws that apply in farming to these operations and they shouldn't be treated differently. I wholeheartedly agree and that actually leads me kind of to a few questions that I had which was kind of to ensure sustainability is kind of valued alongside I would say the public health and legal compliance because that's what we're seeing across the board with every state is it's always kind of an afterthought it's the public health legal compliance that take precedence is making sure that kind of the intention, the compliance and there's expertise all of that in there. So I did want to see is and if you guys know kind of who will be enforcing these regulations and who has jurisdiction over the cultivation and manufacturing side of the recreational market, has that been determined? It hasn't yet taken and that's that's tasked to a couple other committees about these mechanism. So that's still being worked through as well. Okay, perfect. Just trying to not find that. And so yeah, I guess like just some questions to think about is yeah, who will be enforcing these regulations? How will the recommendations and the regulations will they be enforced with Asian capacity expertise available, the compliance process? You know, one thing we've seen a lot of is you're talking about like, you know, an energy demand consumption limitation. You know, are there actually auditors available? Are they trained to be able to do this? You know, looking at kind of how, you know, food safety has oversight. And then specifically, I think, which is beneficial for the licensees and ultimate business owners is how will the regulations be understood, you know, the clarity of them and then how will applicants actually reach or exceed compliance with these regulations? And so I think if we're, you know, this is a new industry, even if they're, you know, already agricultural business owners or industrial business owners, you know, knowing that, you know, how they're actually going to be oversight or how the application process is gonna work is gonna be super important. I kind of deem it that customer service aspect to make sure that on every level, sustainability is valued and not just, you know, an afterthought or, you know, usually in an oversight on some level. So moving forward to kind of better or... Yeah, just, I don't wanna get too far off topic into the issues with the other subcommittees, but it is explicitly in the act that the board is encouraged to utilize strategic partnerships with the other agencies. So just out of curiosity, Stephanie, how has the enforcement handled with hemp? Are you partnering with another state agency or do you handle kind of compliance enforcement appeals within your department? Yeah, so we, within the hemp program, I mean, specifically the box of hemp and cultivation of hemp, it's within the program administered at the agency of agricultural markets. So we do the licensing or the, we call it a registration. We do the inspections and then we handle the enforcement of those, you know. Well, first we provide compliance assistance. We don't come out with a hammer. We try to inform people of how they can comply with the regulations. I think most, any regulatory program, almost all regulatory programs, it's cheaper to get voluntary compliance than it is to come out with a hammer. So that's the approach we use. But relative to like fire safety standards in a processing facility, that's administered by the Division of Fire Safety within the Department of Public Safety. So we do have relationships, but they have a clear box that they regulate and it applies to hemp processors. Likewise, I'm trying to think of other, I'll have to talk in my head, other state agencies that are involved as well.  I might add, Tom, Stephanie, and I also know that at AG, you know, they have a pesticide enforcement team. They have a nursery enforcement team. So they kind of work to, you know, I know Mike's out there doing a lot of hemp inspecting, but there's other arms within their enforcement division. Tom, for your reference, and I can share this with the enforcement and compliance subcommittee, you know, Brent and I have had those conversations with AG's enforcement team. I also recognize that this is not an AG product. So maybe us, Billy, the AGC of Agriculture can come to some type of understanding if that's a direction that we want to go, depending on how certain things shake out. I've also had contact with the Department of Liquor and Lottery on how they enforce at the retail level, you know, with ID checks, so on and so forth. So we can, I can share that in my findings there. In the inference of the health department, they inspect kitchens for the food and lodging program. And then again, as Kyle mentioned, pesticides, nurseries, so on and so forth. Within the agency of AG. What I think would be really helpful is for someone to kind of like, chart out like, what the different activities are that you anticipate, like indoor cultivation at different scales, outdoor cultivation at different scales, whatever processing might be involved and like, kind of matrixing out like, the kind of impacts the existing regulatory oversight, like gaps, opportunities. Because I like, this all depends on like, what you're actually talking about, right? Like, growing cannabis in a warehouse is gonna have a whole different suite of considerations than growing it in a field to place. So it's just, I think being able to speak more specifically about the activity will help these conversations. Yeah. Great. And I apologize, I didn't, I wasn't trying to steer this too off topic, but it is important just for the overall structure and the other subcommittees. Billy, just so you know that the subcommittee right after this, so the next 28 minutes is the Market Structure Licensing Fees Subcommittee where they are breaking that all out based on the market analysis that was just recently done. And Stephanie adds, it's critical for us just to understand, and you answered it, but the big item, big ticket items like licensing and enforcement, it sounds like your own adjudication appeals process, that is all handled within your own hemp department, notwithstanding the other agencies that you work with. So yeah, it's helpful for my understanding of it again. Sorry, Jake, if I didn't wanna take it. No, no, yeah, no worries. I was just gonna say is I can create some slides on how we see kind of the processes of indoor to a greenhouse, small, large, and then how different states have kind of tested with different agencies on things specifically with like California has had so many different agencies overseeing it, and it was such a massive to be fully honest that they actually just, I just got an email that yesterday that they have now put it all under one roof so that there's not a different agency overseeing the cultivation, the processing, the distribution, the retail and manufacturing, all of that to allow for, I mean, a lot of it had to do with taxing incentives or just tax burden and the way the market is just really struggling. So I can definitely create some matrices, provide some information for that for Monday's meeting. Yeah, just like the reality in Vermont is that I think most regulatory agencies do their own enforcement, right? So like my agency issues a bunch of permits and we have our own enforcement division for those permits.  So it's all, I think it is this kind of distributed model that sounds like maybe the case in California. It's very unlikely that, I don't want to get ahead of it but I can't imagine that being consolidated into one thing at this time because we have to duplicate a whole regulatory framework for just one vector. So that's just like California's toy different scale, different quality. But I guess that's, you know, to me. Yeah, but I can definitely break down into what departments are usually overseeing these and at least issues we're seeing with that or how they'll be able to, because there's also the state licensing, county licensing issues, you know, we see a lot of just even how cultivation space has been interpreted, you know, it's flowering canopy based off of said square footage, like a raised bed or is a flowering, you know, plant drip line. And so that's caused a lot of issues. I think there's always paying attention to it with recommendations how to be interpreted on the Mac kind of state level, but then also with like zoning issues and making sure everyone's kind of on the same page. And, you know, I think that just helps with the easier roll out and also oversight on all levels. So as far as kind of dividing these into we're kind of on that overview of sustainability scope. I wanted to kind of see your guys's opinion on breaking this into kind of manageable sections based on topics. So in the agenda, I had kind of energy, carbon, water, waste. After thinking about it, I also wanted to add kind of ecosystem management or land management, which would include things like ecosystem services, biodiversity, wildlife, habitat improvement, conservation, erosion control, soil building, that kind of stuff. And then as well as a social equity component, which would be BIPOC community members or any marginalized community members kind of war on drugs or previously incarcerated individuals, economically disadvantaged and kind of the small farmer, craft farmer cohort. But I wanted to see if you guys had any other kind of Vermont specific categories or something that should be broken out into different categories or whatnot so I have a better understanding as I start to map out our schedule. I think that's probably the best way of doing it is these kind of specific topic meetings. I think that makes sense. I guess I'm curious as to whether all these are kind of germane to the subcommittee. I feel like there's other groups that maybe, I think like there's someone who has energy expertise on the advisory panel that's not in the subcommittee. So it seems like those topics should go wherever that person is, but I can't be wrong. There's, I don't believe there's anybody from the advisory committee specifically with that energy expertise. Okay, so you just have the Department of Public Service in. They're not on the subcommittee. I think they were charged with drafting recommendations for us to consider from an energy perspective, but they don't have a set role on the advisory committee. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I would say Jacob from the board's perspective. The board is, and this is for Billy and Jacob and Stephanie and everybody. We're very interested to see how the commercial designation triggers or does not trigger act 250 Billy from a small scale perspective, from a large scale perspective outside. So overarching in addition to the buckets Jacob has mentioned, how land use planning in the state of Vermont will be impacted by this regulated market. We just wanna make sure we're on the front end of 250 if that's gonna be a consideration that we've gotta work through moving forward. Yeah, absolutely. And I know Jacob, you know, yeah, we've, I've initiated that conversation with the Natural Resources Board that administers the act 250 program. And I think you've, the board has at least heard from some of their staff with some general comments. But I think, yeah, that's a question that needs to be answered. And they're the one who answers it, right? They control their own jurisdiction. So I think we're gonna need to interact directly with the Natural Resources Board to figure out, you know, how and if act 250 will apply in those settings. Well, maybe I'm just throwing ideas out here and I don't wanna derail everything that's under sitting here. It might be great to bring them to one of these subcommittee meetings over the course of the next couple of weeks. I don't know who should be the person to reach out, Bryn, we can reach out or Billy, if you have that relationship. But I feel like that's the top of the slope and we're gonna roll downhill depending on how this is impacted by 250.  But then there's like a higher level of review and scrutiny if projects are subject to act 250. Right. And that really is unique. So I think that is a critical path question. You know, I would encourage your staff to reach out to them and invite them formally to come to one of these meetings. I just think that would have more than me kind of reaching out to them and do it. I'm happy to do it, but I do feel like if the board was to reach out to them and invite them in and provide some context, it would probably be a more appropriate way. Great. And in the meantime, Billy, if you do have any like primaries or, you know, overviews of 250 that you could forward to Jacob. I mean, I can ask the same with the Natural Resources Board, but I don't know how familiar Jacob is with 250 and why it's a large starting point for us. I want to make sure everybody understands. Yeah. Well, I know Aaron provided a kind of PowerPoint to you at a previous meeting. So, you know, that's probably a good primer, but I'm happy Jacob to just talk to you now or at another point to kind of give you a deeper context for the law and kind of how it can apply here, how it can apply here. Yeah. I've read the, I believe it was the one that was posted that they did during a meeting. So, I saw like that primer, but I have a very open cursory knowledge of it at this point. One of the things I definitely want to do before the meeting is I'm going to invite additional experts into each one of these meetings as needed. But one of the things I'm planning on doing is with the VS kind of marketing tool with the estimates that they've created is taking that and looking at from their estimated figures, what does that actually look like as far as energy consumption, carbon emissions, water usage, effluent discharge, waste things like that. So, we can have kind of an in-depth conversations. I think, you know, most of these energy water, sorry, energy carbon and water, probably like two meetings. So, potentially for us to discuss all of that, have the gap analysis and then bring in, you know, some of the natural resources for the second meeting. So, we really understand where we're going with it and then you can have a, you know, a detailed conversation with them. It's kind of how I'm seeing this play out. So, then I want to move along to our, so I was quickly coming to a close. And so, some of the things that I think Stephanie, you had brought up earlier, I kind of had kind of put into this as like potential limitations. So, things that I've been seeing and I talked to Andrew Livingston, who's part of the Incentive Center where he created the model. So, we've worked together on a few projects in the past on just how we're seeing kind of the environmental or sustainability, you know, what we're calling issues or limitations of what's written into the act right now. And I would say like, you know, the ideal sustainable grow is definitely kind of an outdoor hoop house. There you are getting maybe one, maybe three harvests a year. And the concern of really incentivizing or pushing for all outdoor cultivation, you know, is the overproduction that you see the seasonality. And then you have the price swings in the fall and winter. You can look at kind of Oregon for, I mean, last I checked it's been a minute, but they had a million pounds in metric, you know, continually for three years. And it's just not an economically sustainable situation.  And so it's, you know, those things definitely need to be considered as, you know, we look at what this regular, what these regulations recommendations are encouraging because there's definitely a balance between environmental sustainability and economic sustainability. I think some ways of going about that is looking at square footage caps. If people are really concerned about multi-state operators coming in, you know, if you limit the size of cultivation space, then that's not really an issue. No one's going to adjust, you know, millions of dollars. They can only have 5,000, 10,000, you know, 20,000 square feet of cultivation space. So those are some things that I've noticed. One thing that I'm wondering about the flexibility, you know, as you mentioned, Stephanie is with the product, THC limits. So what I've seen is that there's a 50 milligram per package limit, which is essentially doubling the packaging waste that we see from all other states. Most states have set that limit at 100. So you're looking at, you know, just generically doubling the amount of packaging that's going to be in the marketplace. And then the 60% THC limit in concentrates I think there's some concerns there on, it will limit kind of the overflow or the overproduction of flour that's going to enter the market. Most of that goes into distillate. Distillate usually seed 60%. So you're just kind of creating a potential bottleneck for the storage or self stability of any, you know, overproduction that you're going to see in the market. So I think there's definitely some concerns there from an environmental perspective on the amount of waste that's being generated, but then also what are farmers going to be doing with their final product and how is that going to kind of influence market dynamics? Usually you see if things are on the shelf or stored for over a year, it goes into the concentrate market to at least get another year or two out of it. And if you're at a 60% concentrating, where's all that space for everything you're going to be going? How is that all, you know, going to be impacted as well as, you know, the amount of concentrate to the bank going to be created with the material that's being grown? And then, yes, I guess any comments or questions or anything on those two points? I have something, but Stephanie, feel free to go first. Well, no, I was just thinking that the limitations are set in the laws, I understand it, and in order to change that there, you know, I mean, potentially there could be a recommendation down the road, but it's not going to be immediate. So it's a concern I get, but maybe not an immediate concern because it's going to require some legwork on behalf of the cannabis control board to get a change. And then also to think about what recommendations, what in addition to the recommendation related to sustainability for too much packaging and waste and so on and so forth as you described, what can the cannabis control board recommend that alleviates the concerns that occurred when the percentage concentrate 60% and the milligram per package was set? I mean, obviously there was a concern there, so how do I identify that and move that forward? But again, doesn't seem super immediate immediate, related, you know, but otherwise the intersection of regulation as it exists in Vermont seems something to unpack. Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, that whole conversation, you know, I would really encourage you to look at the Vermont market because I think it's vastly different than the Western states that you may have worked in in the past. I think it's predominantly flower based. I think it's predominantly indoor cultivated traditionally. You know, we've got short growing seasons, you know, there's a lot of indoor cultivation on the black market. And I think that's where the demand is. And, you know, that may shift over time, but I think, you know, just kind of based on anecdotal experience, I think that's kind of what our market is and it's distinct from the West where there's a lot more outdoor cultivation, right? There's more land, it's a better season. People know how to grow outdoors. Here it's different. So I would just test those assumptions before building anything based on them and kind of the extent there's markets, research has been done in Vermont that might help inform. No, definitely. I mean, we also, we work across all of North America. So we are, we have like a desecrescent in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Maine, New York, starting to get into New Jersey, Maryland. So kind of all over the place. I would say those places are Vermont though. 100%, 100% Yes, yes, indeed, indeed. And this needs to be Vermont specific. So I do take all of your considerations for perspective, better, more than mine. But I will say as you've seen kind of legal markets, you do start to see more of the baby boomers, more of the soccer marms. Now that it's been state kind of accepted, dabbling into it. And that's where kind of you see edibles, usually overtaking or at least growing pretty exponentially over flower. Most elderly seniors don't want to smoke. Yeah, that's a good point. So I get your vote. Yeah, and also just, I think from convenience, that's where you start to see concentrates. You know, it is going to depend on kind of what the FDA comes out with today or this week, as far as babes and the nicotine aspect of it. And then I've had that translate into cannabis, fake cartridges and stuff. But I think there's definitely, that's the biggest market you see growth once you get a recreational warmer kids. But yeah, I think flower is definitely a predominant product that you'll see, it all does. I was just thinking, I was having a question and I don't know the answer to it, but whether or not, again, because we're Vermont, what percentage of individuals are taking advantage of the personal cultivation of, you know, too mature and foreign mature plants or whether or not they're exploiting that and growing their own and how that's impacted any kind of market projections.   There are people who like to shop for things too, for food and whatnot, but I was just curious if there was any information about that. Such a hard day to get together. I know. We've got some anecdotal info from like the Vermont Growers Association. Okay. But it's hard to gather that, you know, who's actually taking advantage of the personal use and who's exploiting the personal use of doing more. They should, you know, that's a good question. And Billy, we've heard a lot about outdoor growing. Like a lot of folks are very interested in it. So it's hard to assume anything, I think, right now. But to get back to your second question that you posed, I think once we see more of a market structure and how we're gonna tear this thing out, I think it's gonna inform a lot of other committees work because we'll be able to work from a starting point and, you know, there's decisions we haven't gotten there yet. But, you know, I've been a proponent of an indoor license or an outdoor license and tearing it from there. If that's the direction we go, it again remains to be seen. But recognizing that the environmental and energy impacts are different depending on your tiered, your size and your indoor versus outdoor. Right. And again, that's the next subcommittee starting in nine minutes. So I want to reserve some time, Jacob, for the public comments or questions. Partner in the room. I think we're good. All right. So I just had one last kind of question or thought, which was sustainability incentives and encouraging, you know, the regulations will obviously set or already have environmental regulations in place. So for reaching compliance with that, or really going above and beyond, which I think a lot of small farmers in Vermont will be doing or already doing, the incentive programs that are in place right now, dealing with kind of energy, water, waste management, are those state or federally incentivized or managed? What was the question again? Is it for me? I think it's for Billy. I can try and translate, Jacob. So for Billy and Stephanie, with the respect that there is incentive programs built into your respective agencies, how you handle regulatory systems, are those managed at the state level or part of a broader federal partnership? I think, Jacob, it's wondering because if there are federal incentives, it might make it harder for this program to take advantage of various incentives that your agencies offer. Yeah, I'm sure there are federal incentives. Actually, I have no idea if there are federal incentives offered through the Vermont Agency of Agriculture. There are certainly grant programs that apply to the hemp community industry in the state of Vermont, which have limitations on them currently, but I won't go into that. There are grant programs at the Agency of Agriculture that are state-funded, that aren't federal-funded. The Working Lands Enterprise Initiative is state-funded. I think there might be some state-funded trade, well, that's not gonna work. Trade shows aren't gonna happen, nevermind. Trying to think of other potential state incentives. The big one at Ag, I thought it was working lands. Which that would require conversation with Working Lands to try and get this. I think they're even, that would crack the door on hemp, even being a part of that program. Yeah, I'm not sure. The other thing that I was thinking is that farmland conservation, I think there are state funds that can be spent on that. But there are federal funds as well, but there are state-specific funds, which would make that land eligible for cultivation if it's state-funded rather than federal-funded. And then, that's what I have. If I can think of anything else, I'll let you know. Yeah, I don't know that we have a ton of incentives that would be applicable here, or like regulatory incentives. We have access to infrastructure funding through the State Revolving Loan Fund for kind of water wastewater infrastructure that typically flows in municipalities that is federally-based. We've got lots of small pots of money that we put out to folks for conservation practices. But I'm not familiar enough with those to think of any that might be applicable here, but typically they're kind of passed through money from the EPA that we get. But there are also pots of state funds that we use for a number of different things, and often they're commingled. So like, there may be opportunities to use just state funds for certain applications under an existing program, but I can't think of anything that would be directly out of here, but I'm happy to give it some more thought. And I think we try to energy Vermont, because that's also usually big things with the energy and the rebates and the incentive programs there. They're gonna do, like strategic energy management, audits, things like that. A lot of that comes from federal funding. And so just with the 280E issue, yeah, just making sure of that. How do you think about these things? There is quite a bit of state funds that go into the efficiency utilities of Vermont, though. There's surcharges on electric bills and things like that. So there is a pretty significant amount of state funding that goes to efficiency Vermont and those sorts of enterprises. So there may be opportunities for state programs. Yeah, I was gonna mention efficiency Vermont, one of their hallmarks, or they hold themselves out to the community as, we'll help you if you go above and beyond the regulatory floor. So if I'm thinking through this conversation, I think Jacob's wary of going too high from an environmental sustainability floor just so folks can still take advantage of certain efficiency programs that might be available to them. I wanna say that there was a suggestion made, and I think it was a member of the public that maybe the energy when Lauren Merlino and TJ Poor and the other gentlemen presented similar to the surcharge on energy bills to fund efficiency Vermont, whether there was a suggestion to do some kind of a surcharge or charge on at scale indoor grows that would be put into a pot to assist others you know, hand up a business. But that would require a lot of work. But I just remember hearing that and I was like, oh, that was kind of interesting. So I just let's come back to it again. Lauren Merlino is leaving and moving to Oregon, which is a big bummer because she's not knowledgeable. She has a replacement and I have the replacement's name. I'd love to get it for you. Yes. And if that's, so you should address that. So the main program I know that does that is Boulder. So Boulder has an energy impact offset fine, which is a 2.16 kilowatt hour, 2.1 cents per kilowatt hour charge that goes into kind of an energy efficiency steering committee to essentially help to offset or improve energy efficiency measures. So it's definitely something that's already been created to success of the program. I think from, there's a Boulder County program and a Boulder City program. My understanding and talks to the administrators from the Boulder City levels that it hasn't really translated to energy efficiency outcomes, but they do use the funds to install kind of smart meters and energy monitoring and they pay for kind of ASHRAE level one and two energy audits trying to develop the baseline and give the cultivators as much information and strategic guidance to improve their energy efficiency. So I think it's definitely a possibility. And I think part of that also stemmed from just the way I think utilities here initially had tried to treat the cannabis space as well and not necessarily treating them as just ordinary business owners. So I think in Vermont that'll be different, but definitely been tried before and it could be explored. Yeah. Okay, so then with that, I guess we're gonna turn this meeting early. I will work on doing a bit more of a gap analysis on some of the Act 164, they'll probably be in touch with you, even though I guess our next meeting is Monday, so we only have one day, but maybe we should be in touch with you. That's a question. I don't have anything on my calendar other than this meeting. So I don't, I need to understand kind of what the plan is going forward. Oh, okay. My understanding is that we were scheduled to be meeting Mondays and Thursdays for an hour at this time. So that would be 2 p.m. No, that's wrong. 12 p.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern time on Mondays and Thursdays. That's correct. The one and only request I made of your colleagues when we had our initial meet and greet was that people put meeting invitations on my calendar as early as possible. So if someone could please send invitations out for those future meetings, because I don't have anything in my calendar books up solid quickly. So if you want me there, I'm going to need some calendar. Absolutely. And sorry for that. I can get Deli to help with that. Okay. Thanks. Jacob, I'll take your motion to journal. I'll second it. And then we will get the minutes out and we'll be back here Monday at the same time. Thank you guys. Thank you.


There's a good reason to be a bit skeptical about the use of technology in education. It can be a distraction as much as a benefit. But I am actually really interested and I've been working with a whole team of people in exploring different ways we can leverage technologies to improve and enhance learning.  One of them is using technologies to get students out into the field and doing field based kind of experiential learning. So what we've been doing is trying to leverage technologies to create kind of augmented reality field trips where students can go out into the field with their smartphone and the smartphone kind of replaces the professor. I use research informed teaching decisions so I do the scholarship of teaching learning, I do collect data and I try to contribute to that knowledge base of learning and teaching practices, but I also read other people's work in that area and try to incorporate it into my classes. So a couple of things I've done is collaborative final exams and there's not a lot of data on that so I've collected some to see like do student grants actually improve, do they actually like doing it this way, is it fair for both the strong learners and the weak learners. I'm you know exploring that as a topic, looking at peer learning so a lot of people use peer evaluation to improve the same project in steps. I've actually had students grade each other and wanted to see how that was that a good learning experience of actually trying to be in the instructor seat and grade. Is it a worthwhile thing to do right? So I ask my students and then we'll you know look at the data and go from there and switch things around next time. So especially regarding the pronunciation part that since student has a different background of the language background that technology helped and then we made online tutorials to explain the mechanism of how to pronounce Japanese based on their language background. One of the initiatives that I've really taken on in the last few years has been interprofessional education and so I've been doing a lot of collaboration with the Faculty of Dentistry and I've just recently collaborated with Pharmaceutical Sciences. So we're doing learning, creating learning activities for students in land and food systems as well as these other faculties to learn about cross disciplinary knowledge and sharing that knowledge amongst the students.


What's good with y'all it's your boy Ross back in a game with another movie review And I just got done seeing it chapter 2. Um, I enjoyed this movie I had a real good time watching this movie with a couple of my friends I will say this movie is pretty long. I believe it may be even longer than Chapter one This one runs almost three hours our movie started at 915 so 15 minutes of previews Like 930 we didn't get out to him like maybe 1215 maybe 1220 So it was it was a very long movie, but entertaining. It wasn't long and boring There were some kind of like slow moments, but Overall it was it was entertaining This first half of this movie review is going to be spoiler-free and in the second half is gonna I'm gonna go into some spoilers. So let's get into the spoiler-free section Pretty much. Let's talk about the plot plot is Kind of a continuation of the first movie the losers club. They pretty much get called back again by I want to say what's the character name Mike Mike calls them back He stays in Derry everyone else leaves and live their lives But he calls them back cuz you know at the end of the chapter one They all made a pact by cutting themselves with a glass and they all made a pact to come back And that's basically what happens here. He's calling everybody saying hey man The boy Pennywise is back and he's up to a shenanigans. So we gonna need you Well, I'm gonna need you to come back down here So that's pretty much what it was they come back down here and they pretty much have to face Pennywise and end it once and for all I will say that the scares in this movie are not as good as the first one for me personally But there are some Intense moments. I will say that there's a lot of tense scenes There's a lot of nice genuine build-ups to some pretty good scares. There's some pretty effective jump scares It's not a lot of a whole lot of just pointless jump scares, which I appreciate from this movie I will say that The scare department could have been like I said a little bit better But for the most part it it was entertaining enough There are some genuinely genuine creepy moments. So I did like that about this movie I think what makes this movie work is not the scare factor the actual characters the Whoever casted these the adult versions of the the children from the first chapter They smashed it out the park like you can actually believe that Jessica Chastain was Beverly Marsh from the first one like all grown up like they really And not just with her character all the characters you can believe that this is their adult form like their adult version Hell they got the old spice guy I don't know if y'all know that but Isaiah Mustafa actually was in the old spice commercials back in the day He he was selling them the owners in the body wash so to see him Acting in this prominent role. I didn't even know that until a couple reviews came out and then they announced it And then I actually looked at like a couple of trailers like oh that is him So it's dope seeing that type of transformation Acting wise and went from that. I'm sure he did other things but acting in a Pretty big movie like this and the fact that he killed it everyone killed it the characters in this movie were fantastic I love them. You care for them. There's a lot of funny moments in this movie Like this movie is actually pretty funny, which I think takes away from the scare factor because they're adults So you're laughing at them Pretty much coming back to a situation that they probably didn't even think they were gonna come back to to fight a Demonic clown of sorts and deal with all types of fucked-up imagery So I think that was pretty dope and it's just hilarious movies hilariously funny and Also, probably the star of the movie Bill Skarsgard as Penny wise. He kills it just like he did in the first one this one he Knocks it out the part man.  It's enjoyable is he he's one of the best parts of the movie And he actually has some funny moments I don't think it was intentional, but his character because he's so playful but like Evil at the same time So it gives a funny vibe at times just his mannerisms and movements So I think That's what works for this movie that is not as scary as the first one But it has a lot of comical elements and the characters you actually invest are invested in and you care for And I like the little flashbacks They have of their younger cells and their older cells and you can see just how much they really did a great job Casting the older cast of their other young of their younger counterparts and how their mannerisms have changed But it's somewhat still similar to how they were as kids. So, um Pretty much the plot like I said, it's straightforward They got to go and kill Pennywise and that's that's pretty much what it is I don't want to go deep into spoilers until later on But I will say that this was this was enjoyable for the almost three-hour Runtime that it was it was definitely enjoyable. So for those who don't know who's new to my channel My rating when it comes to movies is see it again at full price See it again at half price Don't see it again. Don't see it at all. And I will have to give this a seed again at full price Man, this is worth seeing twice in the theaters at full price I'm probably gonna go see it with a couple of my other friends. They weren't able to see it tonight So I'm gonna go see it with them get their reaction and just go see it again to check out some of the stuff That I may have missed because this movie is very long So there's a lot of stuff that I may not even picked up on so I'm definitely gonna go see it again sometime this weekend or next week so yeah, it's It's a it's a dope movie I suggest anyone that you see if you saw the first one go see it If you even remember the TV series the little mini TV series that came out in the the early 90s Go see it just to you know saying like I guess see this modern take on it because honestly I think they did a real good job and I enjoyed it for you know for what it was man It was a fantastic movie and I I would recommend it. So let's get into some spoiler talk So if you haven't seen the movie leave the video right now Go see the movie come back and you know You can come back to this time in a video and hop into some spoilers with me so For those who remember the first movie we all know Georgie dies and they don't stray away from how he dies and that's the one thing I respect about that movie They show you that no one's safe not even adorable white kids are safe And they show you get Georgie getting killed on screen. They don't shy away from it That is more of the same in this movie and they don't give two F's nobody safe Not little girls not little boys Nobody is safe and that's what I appreciate about this movie. The movie starts off pretty it pretty intense there's a gay couple they are at a fair and they're pretty much getting harassed by some bullies and The bullies end up pretty much after they leave the fair jumping them beating them up and they throw One of the guys boyfriend Off a bridge like it's awesome like homicidal type stuff. I don't know what's going on with bullies in this town They all like to kill people. Oh, and I also forgot to mention the the person that played the bully He even his older counterpart it made sense how he would look but I'm gonna get into that so um They pretty much try to kill them but they throw him over a bridge into this river and as he's trying to swim the shore his boyfriend comes down there to try To help him and he sees Pennywise and Pennywise has him He's kind of you know has him held up and then all of a sudden his mouth opens wide He just takes a chunk out of his side and starts eating them and I'm like, yo, this is This is intense and I like it That was one of the first deaths in the movie like maybe 15 minutes into the movie The next death is this little girl with her mother at a baseball game And you're thinking you're sick you got the sense of security up because it's a little girl a little kid She's not gonna get killed, right? she ends up getting distracted by this firefly and She ends up going under the bleachers and as she goes under the bleachers she see Pennywise there now they hit you with a false type of False type of sense of safety where she's like, yeah, I don't really know you I don't really trust you my guys So I'm gonna just roll, you know I'm saying you're kind of creeping me out And then he reels her back in because this little girl She has like a birthmark on her face and she's ashamed of it So he reels her in with that with that type of insecurity like she knows that she doesn't like that And he's like I can help that that that mark go away.  Nope.  All right there. They're going there This this is definitely getting it's all rating for sure. There's not even just languages They they're not afraid to show you so I'm all for it Not saying I'm all for kids dying or anything like that But I'm saying it's very taboo in movies and rare actually to see actual kids get killed They don't they rarely do that usually the kids make it at the end or make it at the last minute nah Pennywise is not having none in that. He's looking for all the kids. He's out there.  He breaks the glass with his head. He's just headbutton and pennywise James McAvoy character bills trying to break through the glass is not working and You you have a feeling like this kid's dead because they're not afraid to show that But you still have some hope cuz like maybe they'll nope He's dead.  I'm like, yo My god, Pennywise got to go man.  This these kids are not endless appetizers from TGIF They got he got to go. So at this point, they have really built up a sense that nobody's really safe So at this point, they built up Like this this realism that no one's safe kids No one in the the losers club. Nobody's safe Another notable death if you don't know from the the book and from the original TV series What's the character's name? I gotta find it Stanley. He actually ends up dying as an adult You can tell from the first one when they made the pack. He really wasn't trying to come back. He's like, hey, man I ain't yeah, I got it. We already feel I don't know if I really want to come back But he wasn't strong enough to come back and he ended up slitting his wrist So he kills themselves already knew that death was supposed to happen I knew that death was coming but the death that kind of surprised me the most was Eddie's death as an adult I don't remember if that happened in the books or if it happened in a TV series I'm not sure I haven't seen it in so long. I never read the book But he actually dies when they're fighting Pennywise once again like in his final boss form They're fighting them. So he ends up dying down there because they think he kills them They Eddie thinks he's killed him and then he you know Typical turn your back to the bad guy get stabbed through the chest on what would happen and that's pretty much what happened there And that was actually an emotional scene They really played that off this movie gives you a lot of laughs from pretty pretty decent scares and then hit you Hit you in the in the field So I could also this movie hitting on all spectrums of just emotions that that was pretty emotional it was a real emotional scene and I like how they really played that out and how the actors really portrayed losing losing one of their friends Ultimately to this war with this otherworldly creature and I respect the movie for giving that feel of Yeah, man, Pennywise is no joke. He's been waiting it for it you know waiting to you know get his revenge on these kids that are now adults now and Pretty much, you know Anybody can die. It doesn't matter. You know when safe. So I like that And I want to talk about how just the last point because my camera is about to die I want to talk about how they pretty much defeat him Smallest like they did in the first part is more so not being afraid of him But I like how they didn't know it in this part where they basically they hit the deadly Boy, you about to get roasted hand. That's pretty much what everyone did just started roasting him All they were missing was the roasting hand. I would have loved it if just just good Chastain or James McAvoy Bill Hader just started roasting my guy like boy if you don't get your big-headed Cross-eyed drooled book tooth teeth having asked a fuck up out of here Just started roasting my guy and that's pretty much what happened They started roasting them in a in a sense and they weren't afraid of them anymore and he pretty much got weak smaller to the point where they could Reach in get his heart and crush it and essentially kill them because they the creature has to Abide by the laws of physics. So if it's small you're able to defeat it because it's smaller than you You know I'm saying if it's bigger than you then it's obviously harder for you to defeat it So that's pretty much what it was. They pretty much roasted him until He ended up being super weak crushed his heart And that was it man, and they defeated him man. And like I said before I like how they just give this sense of Yep, they defeated this overwhelming thing, but they did lose, you know Someone in the process and people lost lives.  It was a fantastic movie. Like I said at the beginning of this review Go see this go see this this weekend with a couple of your friends. You've got a hot date go take her She'll probably be scared jumping in your arms and it'll all work out for you and then hopefully so But I appreciate y'all kicking it with me and I will see y'all on the next video


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Hi everyone, I'm Brian Sakawa and thanks for tuning in to this week's episode of Ask Key Spoke Style. This week I have a question from Joseph who wants to know, how do you go about figuring out fit when you're ordering online? Really good question. Ordering online, obviously very convenient, but there can be some pitfalls too. The easiest way to order online is from a brand that you're familiar with.  If it's a brand that you're not familiar with and you're considering ordering online, I would always recommend going to the store if you can. I know there are always stores in everyone's town, but if you can make it there, it'll save you a lot of hassle, it'll save a lot of time, it'll save probably a few trips to the post office. There's nothing I hate more than having to go to the post office to return something that doesn't fit. There are a lot of sites also that are very good about providing extremely detailed fit information. Mr. Porter is one that comes immediately to mind. I've ordered quite a few things from Mr. Porter, and a lot of times from brands I have no experience with. They're really good about having information like, this fits big, so take a smaller size or this fits true to size, take your normal size, never gone wrong with Mr. Porter. Another option you have when you're ordering online is from like flash sale sites, like a guilt for example. One of the challenges when ordering from a site like that is they have really great designers at really deep discounts and often you don't want it to get away, but often there's not a return policy, you might just get a store credit, so that's just something to keep in mind when you're ordering from a site like that. Thanks for tuning in everyone to this week's episode. If you have a question, as always, send them in. I'd love to hear from you. Email me at brianatheespokestyle.com or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram with the hashtag AskHSS. That's all for this week. We'll see you next week. Thanks for watching.


do like WTW as well. I like Walmart too though. I think we watch Walmart first. If Walmart doesn't set up then we'll go to WTW because HSBC like I said I'm passing and I don't have any numbers on this yet so just wait. Okay stop's gonna be 10570, 101, uh, 10175, sorry, 10175. This is gonna go. This is gonna go. Just there's nothing we could do. We're not taking it out of the game. Yep, I like this. Okay, 10170 is a stop. I don't have the entry yet. Just let it do its thing. It looks great. Here, take it. Take it right in here. You can get it right now. Put the stop at 10170. Actually, this isn't a bad stop for Walmart. Here it goes. This is it right here. First target 105. You got to do it here. This was the best stop. I told ya. Here we go. 104, 105. You had to just hit it. I didn't even get to spread that it was just said take it. Let's just look at WTW. This is going to. Is it going to take it? I did them both. You could have done them both. Here we go. Walmart 104. I actually could have scouted out of some of that. I'm not gonna. I love it. I like it. This, this did break. 27 really is the number. Looks like it might have gotten there already. Did it? Basically, almost did. Okay, here we go. Here, Walmart. Here, here it goes.  Walmart, Walmart, Walmart. Excuse me. Okay, dokes. All right. Here, Walmart. So if you wanted to scale out of some, you could. If you didn't do it, it's pretty much too late. If it sets up again, I'll let you know. I don't know if that happens. WTW. I don't know if I would have done this. Just really not a big target, but you could have, you could have done it and quick got out. Could have done it and quick got out because I really got to the first number. Walmart was the one. Here we go. And I'm not saying we're gonna go long every day in here. I'm not saying that at all, but this was just very clear today. So the perfect entry really would have been 103. If you got filled after that, when I screamed, take it, don't worry about it. This has a big move set up to do. Let's just see how it acts at 104.  I just don't know, but I'm gonna. 103.50. Is everybody in it? Okay. Who did what? You could have scalped WTW. It was fine. This was the better guy. This is working.  Here it goes. Gonna make a new high. Here, Walmart. You had, you had to, you had to do it. You literally had to do it immediately. Here, 103.50 is the, here. Everybody's in Walmart. Good job. Good job, everyone. Here it goes. And again, we're not going long every day, but we have to do the best. Here it goes. Walmart. New highs. Here it goes. Watch 104. Oh, what a nice call. Good start to the week here. Let me just look at the market. Gosh, if the market goes over yesterday's high, which was Friday, which seems like a million years ago. Okay, you could have got out of that. You could have. You could have got out of that for a move. Again, I'm not going to hold this forever. Just trying to get a little bit more. Just a smidgen. Just a baby. Let's stick with the Walmart. Good choice. Again, this is a good example where you're, take a trade. You're up money immediately. It goes right away. You're not, don't worry so much about the, you know, trying to flip it over one. I mean, this is like, this is like a perfect call. Perfect gap. Perfect call. Here we go. Over 70. So wherever we're just going to get out in the floor, here it goes. Here it's going to hit 104 for sure. 1035. Wow. What if this goes, here, let's not even talk about it. Here it goes. Here is a 104. We're getting up. We're getting up. We're getting up. I think it's going to go over it though. Let me just quickly look at the market again. Wow. Walmart could go to a sick number today if the market continues rallying. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but I'm saying. All right. Again, eight cents from the first target. You could be out of Walmart. If you're still in it, you're up in it, but you know, nobody knows what time it gets over it. You could be out of this here if you want, or you're holding it, or you could be out of it. It's a nice call. Grant up a buck. Let's see if we can get one more push in this. I mean, we will, but let's see if we do immediately. Let me look at this market. We may be taking our chances here, but we got the market with us this morning. Here we go. What happened to WTW? No, I'm glad we didn't do this. It's weak, but it just, it wasn't interesting enough.  If you get out of it, that was perfectly fine. Let's see what's on tap here today. I'm taking the jingy off. And this is it for me. I mean, we're not doing anything else after this. What's today? Today's Tuesday? Or Wednesday? No, it's Tuesday. Tons of stuff out tonight. Just a million things. It's just a question of what do we get that's good. So let's see if there's any econ out. One thing at 10 o'clock. That's it. One thing at 10 o'clock today. And I think that's it. Okay, who's doing what? Who got out of Walmart? Who's in it? Looks like this is gonna set up again. This could set up to take even more, which I wasn't really planning. But let's just see here. Let's just leave what we got. I'm gonna I'm not gonna take any more of this here. I'm gonna leave what I got so I can hold it on through to get the next big move. But the morning move was there. It's early. It's only 938. Did anybody get out of it? Jackie's still in it. Just market is like insanity. So 277 41. If you got out of Walmart, you could take it again right in here the original entry 103 stop 101 70. You want to do it again. I'm gonna not take any more because I didn't get out of the first move. This is gonna go again. And then we're gonna get one push over the high and then I'll get out wherever it is. We got up to 93 or 92 or something like that. I mean, you could have got out. I think this has more in it, though. Mimi, I think you should have gotten out. Why? Mimi, I think you should have gotten out. Remember your rule.  It's okay. This is gonna be fine. But going forward, the rest of the week, you need to just get green green green green green immediately. Don't worry about big moves because you messed up some trades and you missed some Hector got out. You had time to get out here. This wasn't like this wasn't like you had plenty of time to exit this trade anywhere in here. Now, if you're if you think about exiting it here, well, obviously that's too late. You gotta know and 104 was the target, the first target, although I do think this continues. That's it. Again, don't be like Alihabra. You don't get out for eight cents. This is gonna go again though. Alright, let's just see where the market's at. Anyways, I was thinking about this last night. Actually, it was the middle of the night. I got up in the middle of the night and then I just was realized something here about this market. Let's just say we take a while to get up to the area which I've been discussing. Say we take a while to get up to it. Guess what? When we get up to it, we're going to go right through it. So it doesn't really matter either way. The market takes a while to get up to that area, the next area that we have to watch for it. Guess what? It's gonna blow right over when it does. So it's really neither here nor there. Woo! There was an invisible tick in Walmart. Hector, you had a really good exit. One of three eighty-five. That's amazing. Ooh, there was another invisible tick. This is not done. It's gonna keep going. Oh my gosh, there was three here. I'm gonna keep it up. We talked about this before. Let's wait till we're out of the train, Jackie. Then we'll go over the invisible tick. So let's talk about Walmart a little bit while we're looking while we're while we're waiting for this to have one more big move up. But everyone should be in this and up if you're still in it. Gosh, you know, just it's really something like I, we did this. This was gosh, I mean, almost a year ago, nine months or something. I don't know, August. It didn't work right. And I loved it. I knew I loved it. I knew Walmart was higher on this day. But it didn't have to follow through on the day. And then I didn't even have follow through in the in the short I knew this was higher though. And then when this happened here, probably a lot of people thought that it was going to drift off, which it did. Remember the one market sold off in December, but this this was this was it. This told me that this was going to do it. It's like, I mean, I saw it way too soon though. But if you bought Walmart as long term trade, I mean, look at this, Walmart will make new highs soon, like eminent. I'm not saying today. I'm saying soon, like it will now, could even before the market. Here goes Walmart. All right, let's pay attention now. 60 cents off the high. We're going to get out of this when it poops over the high somewhere some way. Time of the day is 943. And a nice call. And again, I'm not saying we're going to go long every day, but it is what it is. Friday was along today was along. We got to do the stuff that works. You got to do the best gaps. Wow, there's like 17 invisible ticks here. There was another one. Woo. Oh my gosh. I lost track how many we've had. Hey, so where do we go? 41 30 cents off of that for the spy for the cues. 40 cents off. Let's look at this. This is already over yesterday's high in the diamonds. Here it goes. If you wanted to retake this, you could you could be back in an already stop has to be the same 101 70. You could add here if you want to get nuts, but it's through the original price. I'm just going to leave it want to be more comfortable give us a chance. I think 105 is likely today for at some point before four o'clock for this or close to it. Any questions about Walmart? Everyone should be in it. Unless you didn't get out. Let's just see what else is going on here. Oracle something happening in it. Oh, that's weird. Okay, here we go. Beautiful, beautiful Walmart. Have a good solid week. We're gonna have an easy week. Short week. Easy. Quick trades. You could have been out of this. It's still a quick trader, but get out of this before 10. And we're done. We'll go over the gap. Really nice read in the gap. I'm giving myself a round of applause. What a nice read in this gap. You know how many day trading rooms are going along this? Zero us one me. What a nice read on this gap. I'm not saying that's the reason it's going to push higher. It's just getting bought, but it certainly isn't going to hurt us. Alright, here we are 277 10277 40. Here we go. Mimi, don't miss your exit on this please for the love of God. Remember, booking money is very important. Shall we have a number at 10? We got 14 more minutes till then. Jackie, are you out? You said thanks Melissa. Are you out already? Or what are you doing? Everyone should be up.  And the only reason I decided to hold it is, well two reasons. One, we in the market with us. Two, it's a really good gap. Three, it's a long, sometimes you gotta wait for long. It paid if you held the market on Friday.  I'm not saying Walmart's gonna take all day, but I'm saying that if we went long every day from now until the rest of the year, we'd have to, our days would be longer. Who did the option? Called an option in this for the people in the letter? How much you want to bet Gallagher didn't do it? Gallagher probably didn't do it because he wanted to pull back. Which it's not going to do. Here we go. WMT over 70. We should be clear. 70, 75, 61. Gyro did it. He's back in action. Oh, everyone should say congratulations to Gyro. He got married. Gyro got married everybody. He's a married dude. He snuck away and got married.  Isn't that where everybody goes? For the gunshot winnings. 73, 72, 71. Here we go. Walmart. Here we go Walmart. And now he's an immediate father. Father immediately and soon he's going to be a granddad probably in the next 12 to 24 months too. Immediate father and granddad all at once. Gosh, this is gonna make us sweat it out. Gyro, what are you going to be called? Pop-up? What do you want to be called? Granddad or pop-up? Pop. Here we go. Walmart over the high. Here it goes. Here's 104. Here we go. Nice call. Nice call. Here it goes. Let's push up. Here. That's what we wanted. Here, here, here. Watch 104. 15. Everybody should have their hand in the button. Let's just see what this does. Give it a little bit more. Just give it a little bit. Here it goes. Here. Here, here, here. See we can get it up to 20. I'm holding my breath. I'm still in it. I'm still in it. We're up in it. If you went out, you went out. Jackie got out. I just, I think it's gonna keep going. This is really hedging my bets here but I don't think it's done. So it's a great trade. I'm up beautifully in it. Do whatever you want. Maybe I think you should be out. Jackie got out. Jackie got in it. 678. You could be out if you want. I'm hedging my bets here a little bit but this is a great gap. The market isn't over the high yet. We're watching a spy for this puppy. 41. But if you want to be out, you should be out. And Mimi, you should be out. You should have been out in the flurry. Here we go. 104. Here it goes. Here it goes. Here it goes. Here it goes. Yay. Yay, yay, yay, yay, yay. This is really gonna be it for me here though into 10 o'clock. Here it goes. Here it goes. Let's see if we can get over 20 Walmart.  I'm out. I couldn't take it anymore. All right, still. Very good. Great trade. I believe this goes to 105 today. I sit all day if you want. Beautiful. I was trying to give it a chance. Got to 17. I didn't, just three pennies from 20. If it gets to 104.20, it's gonna push over it. I just couldn't wait anymore. Beautiful trade though. You went to Mass this morning and prayed for a good positive week. I prayed for that in an easy week. Easy means this, what we just did. So congratulations everyone. And what a great call on this. I mean, seriously. All right, let's just look at the market. And Walmart's not done though. No way is it done today. So, all right, let's go over it. Let me just check what else is going on. If you're still in this, you're in it to 105, pretty much. Which is not a problem. Oh my god, I just got an email from a person.  Can I get another trial to your chat room? Oh my lanta.