It's okay because the live stream only the the re-upload will even hear that I don't even think they caught the part about coom so it's fine oh man that was the best comment for 30 seconds that was a pretty good part the coom part yeah all right fine I don't disagree with that you shouldn't because it would be wrong right you remember we like totally played through the whole that alien game that was weird huh like what what are you talking about in terms of like we just played through all of it we completed an entire game in like nine hours but in three streams we're struggling to get through a TV show discussion that wasn't exactly where I was going with it I was just like marveling at the fact that we went through that whole game we didn't really even like it what I what I'm curious about is what brought this to the forefront of your mind at this at this time I was moving things around I saw it I don't know why it's in the recommended for me right now but yeah I was like man yeah we did that yeah that was it that's right we didn't do that that is something we done did do we did do done did it and it wasn't yeah it really wasn't uh yeah it was like a roller coaster that never got very high no it was there was certain little points we were like hey this you know hey that's just for me I'm kind of having fun sort of enjoying myself a little bit and then androids would show up and you're like what why why why are you here why are you here and we never found out why they were here I just don't it's it feels like an obligatory thing with aliens games now I guess is that you just have to fight androids gotta throw in them you just have to in this aliens game you really have to fight androids we can't just I mean we as the developers who you can do whatever we want we we can't just not have androids that's can't do that now there's people in chat now so we can we can pretend as though we can we can address them instead of just the ether or each other hello chat welcome to the EFAP 174 we're gonna try and be fast with this because we're actually a little bit stressed for time and I mean that in this in this in the EFAP sense where it's like we've only got a hundred hours damn as people of or many have pointed out right there are people missing now we did a drinker as you may remember popped in in part one this isn't quite the format for drinker I even we did a talk about arcane the few days after he came on just going over quickly what his favorite sort of parts are and stuff I come to which catch up it is but if you want to hear that it's in there somewhere it's the beginning of one of the catch ups he's done for open bar now so we lost him and you're like whoa where's Fringie brings assuming Fringie thinks that the show starts in 40 minutes from now and it's fair that he does because he was asleep when messages were sent about that would not be in the case you'll see him in 40 minutes or less or more I guess it could be anything where's Jay well Jay doesn't look at discord messages but claims that he does wonderful existence literally we were like right everyone's about ready to go that it's like Jay has gone live on twitch it's like wait what so Jay knows that we're streaming Jay will be here after completing a reaction to someone's video about him and her son it's all right because to be honest with you if there was one part to miss of our discussion out of these four episodes it will probably be episode six I think maybe the first half episode six at least it's probably the lowest stakes part of the four episodes but it's not saying it's not good it's like all right then well where's dooma well unfortunately dooma isn't felt too comfortable coming back on for our cane he's said he's more than happy to come on for a different topic sometime but as many in chat will know he's gotten into many many arguments post stream and there are many many comments that are very not friendly regarding him I wouldn't want to say it's like explicitly a negative response like well I guess you can say negative but like in the sense that there's a lot of comments that are quite constructive in terms of like I think this was the problem with the augmentation blah blah blah but you get a lot of comments that are also just like fucking get rid of him and the sort of thing which was unfortunate we were hoping he'd come back I left it up to him and he said he would rather not this time around because he feels like it would be like like people would overall that the situation would be made worse because a lot of people are very unhappy with him I can already see a lot of people are upset about that and I'm glad I am I yeah yeah I wanted to back yeah I wanted to hear the conversation because there were a lot of people that would go on about how everything's a travesty in the writing and everything like that and it was nice to have a dissenting opinion here and there and it was an interesting conversation it really was I liked episode two of this a lot because of it and yeah we got all you know groanie and grunty about like when repetition started to set in and a lot of things were repeated but that was really all that was annoying about that the conversation was great I loved it so doomer if you're listening if you want to come in we won't say no well and he has the ability to join whenever he wants if he wants yeah right there rashes go neon because you know yeah he had plenty of like barely anyone's referencing any of the good stuff he said or the insightful things he said it was barely just the stupid things it's all right the entirety of the first stream you know yeah um and I you know part of the regret is that I know that there was lots of things you wanted to talk about and so I'm just like you uh I know that the doors open doomer assuming you are listening the door is wide open and with that we really like I hate to rush us but we really do just have to get into it um because yes because oh I guess why do we have to rush time because one because time so there uh yeah um where get yeah carry on yeah we what is our limit is five hours six hours I have to leave in about five and a half hours all right and I think with this one because we really don't want to be like all right as soon as rags leaves we'll just set it to the next e-fap we will probably carry on till the end carry on yes um yeah yeah this will be the last arcane e-fap all right yeah see someone already said not again it's like I know okay three yeah yeah all right so let us begin episode six which opens up on a flashback of a young victor which is possibly my favorite of all of the kids flashbacks it is my favorite flashback as well we get to go to a new place which again one of the things I really like about this show is that you don't get set fatigue you are always going to new places you're exploring new colors it's vibrant and you feel like every every episode sort of takes you to a new place you're always seeing a little bit more of the world there's also not a useless flashback that doesn't do anything it's jam packed and yeah I was just gonna say that happened before the shot opens on some of the most grimy like gross water because the idea is that this is the the water for the lanes or at least the what's it's the under city slash this so many names for this the trenches the lanes the under city it goes by many names and um what it looks like me what a clever fucking visual to have it be that we're seeing the reflection of a child jumping into the water to play in it and it's like this disgusting grimy shit and it's like yeah this is what they grow up in and as you just mentioned silco uh referred to this as we get the city's runoff that's how it works um yeah we follow the all these kids are playing and we follow the water down into uh where victor is playing um noticeably away from the other kids with a little thing that he's put together a little boat he's just off doing his own thing yep and you even have a kid like curious for a second to look at him and be like um wonder who that kid is is it is it implied that that one is sky i think i was about to ask what i'm not 100% sure i don't know i thought that too but i'm not sure is sky a league of legends character no sky is the gill gets um the assistant oh okay i just i didn't remember her name yeah i'm terrible with names jim i don't think you i don't think you are terrible with it nobody's really remembered her name she's we'll talk about that when we get to it um yeah so yeah victor uh this this scene it's just it's funny what i was watching i was like i know what you're telling me and i love it it's like he sets his little boat starts trickling along and he's he's looking at it and he's smiling he's real happy and then it's just going a little too fast and he can't quite keep up with it until he starts really trying and then he falls over in his attempts to keep up with his let's say creation this it's just perfect because i know exactly where we're going with victor just the idea of like his mortal body is restricting him from being able to pursue his mechanical and genius like yeah because the boat just keeps chugging along like out of care in the world doesn't have any defects it doesn't have a hook and leg or anything yep and so yeah he he falls the boat goes off down the stream he follows it until he gets to a little cave and there's a really weird creature in there which um garland uh i've actually got nothing for the for the creature is there anything about that that you can draw from the game or is it because he calls it rio right i've got nothing obviously the only thing i can even think of would be like rex eye but i assume it has nothing to do with no uh rex eye is a well it's a zsi which is a void creature and that's down over in shurima oh yeah that's a void creature right um yeah uh rio and this guy who correct me if i'm wrong have we not seen him since he blew up in episode three i believe so i don't think we've seen him we do we haven't seen him since he blew up he's been referenced but we haven't seen him and yeah so the idea here being that if you're super attentive and recognize everything you'd be like oh he's um hmm okay this is because he i thought he was just guy in background who made shimmer but now it's like guy who he's up to some other stuff and he says um i think he just says did you build this and then um they end up just he's he's very curious man um and it's just the fact that we're getting dialogue at all is just like oh shit okay this is more for him than we expected and he says um why aren't you playing with the other kids does victor say anything to that i can't remember no he just kind of gives him this look yeah like uh i don't know i don't get along why don't you play with the other kids and then i think he just uh comes out of it just like how could you're not playing with the other kids yeah weirdo yeah then he says loneliness is often the byproduct of a gifted mind which it's just one of those it's i like to almost say it's standard it's just like you don't get this and like fucking book a boba fat yes i'm still referencing it we're not done referencing it i don't know whenever we're talking about it i love it it never gets fair to boba fat no had been did look at no we're not so different you and i that was incredible hold on did they actually use that line it wasn't exact it was very close he basically is like we're the same thing we're not so different you and i which by the way a very very slight tangent i know we're happy we're short in time but i my dad and i we went to the theater proper and we saw moonfall and it's the roland emmerich disaster silly movie and it was horrifically wonderful rags there's one and they have a line that almost says that to the context of that roland emmerich has said fuck marvel movies like they're all the same like he's he's just a why is it that all these directors do this right after the movies mauler i want you and definitely fringy but and of course whoever wants to join that movie is the perk it is the roland emmerich movie like he's trying to find his the perfect version of his own movie and this is his apex film because it has everything that roland emmerich it hits all of the check marks we've got uh plans to do a roland emmerich arc because the thing is i'm pretty sure i'm again is like unironically really fun it's like done i would say this movie's this movie's a good e-fap watch too he's honestly his movies are like entertaining they're just not oh absolutely i was i loved watching it in the theater my dad and i knew going in it would be terrible and stupid and that's why we went we did not exist we don't expect high art from roland emmerich i know crazy as that sounds everyone's gonna be like what i know i know he is like a 14 year old who's making movies kind of like zack snider but a little like but different but the same how that makes sense yeah i can follow that he's not as edgy as ack i think no no no oh that's been out for like a two weeks i've completely missed that you know and roland's like your favorite creator you missed moonfall yeah how could you well i guess i know what i'll do for metal's fortune next week because that sounds fun yeah it's it's a it's a movie it is a film there is a nice shot here that someone even in chat was pointing it out that they frame singed so that he clearly acknowledges the um the disability that victor has it's like um coming out of the shadow you're just realizing it which um he's gonna play into more and more things as we go on it's just like stuff that they definitely want you to know is happening but don't care if you miss it which is the kind of shit that i love utilizing the fact they're in a visual medium you really like to see it yeah visual storytelling how about that you tell me what happens now one of your legs is oh i see you you're fucking crap holy shit you're crap you're my god get away from me be gone unclean and like it's gonna be quick it happens all in this episode but the what rio is and what victor sees is like a microcosm of what victor's life's gonna be i'm pretty sure um yeah like rio is this cute awesome natural little thing that's running around being happy and victor feeds it and it's like oh this is great um and then i think singe's commentary on just that interaction is the mutation must survive he's dying i'm attempting to prevent that the mutation must survive it's like i just that language is very important though the uh yeah it must it comes across as somewhat innocuous i think like in the context of i'm attempting to prevent that and it's you know it's dying yeah it you know comes across maybe more uh i guess more of a sympathetic thing that singed is doing than than the mutation must survive might let on and we will get the part two to this scene a little later yeah and then we get one of my favorite scenes in the whole show uh victor is no oh not this time up the scenes right here victor is sitting uh at the place i think we've seen him a couple times kind of like where they end up going just to think um and heimerdinger walks up and he says uh seems just yesterday i stumbled upon an aspiring young scholar from the undercity here ruminating it is steel oasis which i i really like that isn't it's just a thought of steel oasis um like a thieves den uh what is a thieves den exactly oh it's where all the thieves hang out oh that's neat in a den yeah that's their steel oasis fuck it it's fine but uh the the sort of like like why would that be prompted as a as a because it's kind of like just just this is how i met you that it's like a bit of a gap and then i heard your prognosis it's like oh he's talking about it because this guy is dead basically um and he says do you contemplate death and he says only that of friends it's just because heimerdinger's oldest fucking apparently yordles live for a very long time it's like he said earlier he was 307 or something okay yeah he's he's an old man he's not as old as he's he's he's older than bilbo yeah oh damn yeah you're right um and then victor says i suppose your legacy has been well secured what happened to you to show for your life and it's uh there's just a one of prime examples there's lots of them where the car it's not even just a show for us it's not even just for us to dig into the show and and look at subtext for our own enjoyment the characters in the show are aware of subtext like heimerdinger's response to victor saying like you've got a well secured an important legacy good shit is you should be proud of what you've accomplished victor it almost doesn't make sense like if you look at it just uh robotically like that wasn't a response to what victor said it's like well no because heimerdinger's responding to what victor's thinking about yeah what he's implying what he's referencing he's like you're you're secure implies i'm not insinuating the contrast yeah and like heimerdinger's expressions he's just like so sad because he knows exactly what he's thinking about um he says my achievements will be short lived even in your memory and uh i think you see a little butterfly land and then it leaves as heimerdinger says uh those who shine brightest often burn fastest and it's just like super depressing but also uh the best heimerdinger could possibly do and say yeah nothing for it as they would say um and then you get the intro everyone's favorite there's still a lot of split like on the trail yeah there are still there are the people who think that it's bad and then there are the people who are wrong no right calm down the the intro is awesome in if you remove the music visually yeah visually that's gotta count for something it absolutely counts for something i will say that the music is fine it just was it was just out of place in the first episode i think parts of the music are fine yeah um um where are we after mel oh yes jace tells mel that uh victor is actually you know i should be more fair to the scenes pretty good one um she's upset she's annoyed at him because he fucked off uh yeah yeah women don't like that right yeah against that and they even have her like aggression represented in what she's doing like she's moving it more aggressive uh and but it it's just really well done because like it's one of those situations where it's like yeah what are you gonna tell me that make me feel better it's like my friend is dying it's like yeah oh i like how in and i'm glad we're kind of at this scene right after watching a roland emmerich film where characters are where characters are just horrifically simple and stupid and stubborn and every way to draw out drama but in this once he tells her what's happening she's like oh shit you know and then she understands oh good excuse like a normal like a normal human being yeah instead of them drawing out how they're how they need to feel for a certain i don't know directorial whim against all reason so it's really nice to see yeah that was that that was kind of something i was afraid of seeing like oh great are we gonna draw out some really needless drama over this shit because he took off after fucking her yeah okay great but nope she she gets it already she's like stands yeah that's right it's not like yeah well and it's interesting to think about too because uh remember the dynamic right now is that she's kind of a puppet master and so it's like i don't usually care about him and he's annoyed me but then it's like someone's died and it's just like this huge thing for it to deal with in terms of like how do i approach this and then um because i think this is the scene where she goes from trying to strictly be a bit of a puppet master to being like actually this guy there's more of this guy than i realize when he says um when i'm with you nothing feels impossible he's got a lot of investment in me yeah like maybe there's more of this guy than i'm realizing sort of thing and she uh she then even says about like her history that she was exiled from noxious um yeah because you call someone from noxious a noxie a noxian noxian yeah uh fun fact about that by the way uh the thing she's painting there is the immortal bastion which is the huge fortification that the capital city of noxus was built around which is important for the last episode that you know that about the painting technically i mean i say important it's important to us because we care about details but uh it's it's you can tell from the last episode what the painting would probably represent judging from his mother's reaction to it but uh still um then we get a bit a bit of victor looking at that hex core getting all getting real tempted at this point which it's so it's so interesting to think about with victor in this show um especially for people who played the game you're just sort of like waiting for that scene where it's gonna happen right eddy's second out this is gonna happen but they really i feel are aware of that and play with it quite a bit um but thanks to the coffin of the blood and different crazy shit happening from him touching it he concludes something we will get back to that the way they show it like the hex cores like weird stuff all around him like completely enveloping the rest of the shot when we first come to victor in this scene i think that's a really cool way of showing what's going on oh yeah i should i should mention that i will get the screenshot and it's a nice uh it was mentioned before about the way that they um scene transition but obviously mel is sitting there and then he is here which there's a lot to think about with this image and this is partly why people are very invested in victor i would imagine he's going through some stuff um but yeah next up we got uh so yeah there's some weird stuff going on over in silco's henchmen land where a lot of people are missing and doing things and jinx is out of the loop so she goes to the last drop bartender and asks him what's going on and you can tell he first of all he couldn't even see that she'd come in she sneaks into the room very easily i'm not saying that for any other reason than pointing it out i i i it won't be relevant in episode nine at all um but she's also like scary to him um so it's likely that the either that he just is scared of her in general or the fact that he's been told that she needs to not know about what's going on which is that silco is aware of vi and trying to deal with her before powder finds out sort of thing i don't know how widespread the don't let jinx know well i guess the information that vi is out probably wouldn't have been disseminated that much for precisely this reason yeah like some goon might just let slip to jinx and that's exactly what silco doesn't want like i can hear the whistling wind of the lull bed you don't think i'm not on to you ball that's true there is a i figured that's fine for ambience nobody's gonna be too bothered by that but yes you could hear a little wind sounds in the background here in the um you know i've heard that sound before wow step in the way that's funny in the wind uh yeah she just gradually coaxes out that uh the silk is preparing people to get some girls um and then she even baits that she's gonna you know she like attaches a um a thing to his back it's such a like there's a brief mode of like is she actually gonna fucking explode him just like no it's the little it's the little paint one or the yeah hey jim it's a prank bro which we haven't seen since uh she was a kid right i think that vision closed yet another staple of zon is it okay with your accent i can't tell is it zorn or zon zon zon zon okay theo that doesn't help why would no your question is fucking broken because it's an accent thing it's there's loads of well that's well for spelling wise right z a u m z a u m yeah zon yeah americans would say zon but we would say zon zon zon um so uh then we cut to a good old katlyn and vye who um they're both like and dislike this moment so they want to just said steel oasis i get it rags thank you thank you very much i appreciate that hey i don't need to what was that like five minutes that's fine i'm sure they're just catching up i'm sure they're just catching yeah i'm sure they're catching up um so they're at the top of like a cliff side and they need to get to the bottom and uh so katlyn's like oh i don't know how are we gonna do this and vye like very confidently is like i got this shit and jumps and then fucks it up and falls and i like that as like uh she's so confident and yet she can fail but the thing is the fall looks pretty bad looks pretty bad really bad yeah especially when you're dealing with a stab wound yeah like you gotta be careful that we're veering on she should be dead well i mean she doesn't have a mechanical stomach but it is pretty bad true it is pretty bad um yeah it's quite a way down and oof you know um i'm not sure how to how i would tweak this but i'll probably make it so that you don't need this scene really at all yeah if you need her to be out of the picture even further just don't have it be so such an intense fall yeah because all this is communicating other than you know they get down there and vye's kind of in a fucked up state which you can't perform as she normally does is that the structure is unstable and uh that was already achieved with the stab i think so we didn't really need to do it this way but you know that's what happens um it does get across to the structures unstable maybe it's to knock her out so it does do that i think because katlyn now needs to go about her own method because vye can't tell her what to do anymore and so she is forced to ask the locals well yeah it does it does knock vye out of the picture for a little bit so katlyn has to do some stuff herself but uh just with noting someone's watching them it's the firelight yeah that's we do know at least to be that at this point known as the people of the board um and it looks like you see a bunch of a bunch of goon people running around are they are we supposed to think they're fire lights or silk goes goons i think it's still goes goons yeah yeah because fire lights are a little bit more distinct on there those look more yeah yeah they tend to like you know tend to be a bit more coordinated than that i don't think you'd be out here standing around watching them if it was them you know doing whatever they're doing yes um right where are we do you um let me get my coffee right back up it's a vk yeah she's gonna go tell uh wait oh god vlc's frozen it's terrifying oh my goodness gracious i don't know it's all over everybody we tried um all right oh well come back for part four started early one um well while it maybe recovers is that is the next scene right here you can help me out here you have your own vision wait uh yeah the next scene is savika with jinx yes yeah she's saying that yeah so uh savika walks into silco's office with uh power there jinx is waiting for her and she uh drugs her out and puts her in the chair specifically to ask her what the fuck's going on because savika's gonna know considering she was the one that was beaten up by these girls whoever they may be um and there's a moment where she's essentially told that um like savika basically thinks that this is the end for jinx almost because soon as she finds out the sister is there so she's gonna explode and i think she says silco will finally get the message that you'll know better for the cause than you were for your family um which is like damn bro Jesus well so i'm just gonna get a new vision fuck you vlc you want to freeze on me you're gonna restart it or um yeah that's that's the yeah well good um you know let's make sure i frame it right so that people at home don't get a borked screen we don't want that nope uh but yeah this this uh jinx looks like it's gotten to her for a moment but then she's like baiting um i i wonder how much it legitimately was getting to her and how much it was an act to get savika to keep going i uh yeah i think it's one of those moments it's like um black widow in in avengers it probably did it's actually just what i was thinking probably something that did affect her um but she can still use it to her advantage sort of thing yeah um because ultimately it's her stuff right like she'll be thinking about what for so because just said how much truth there is to it and then um realizing wait savika's here and enjoying this fuck you like that sort of thing um the expressions again just top-notch throughout the scene uh and um yeah the choice of words from savika to say that he'll finally get the message she just says in response i think i know how to send the message we see the result up a little bit later there's also a shot that i love hopefully i can get it before we get hit with copyright oh yeah she puts her knife uh through the thing and i was just like wow she stabbed that through it's like well no it's probably one of the bullet holes that uh katlyn put in there and but yeah we for it very quickly zoom into her when she uh savika mentions vai and the knife the knife turns into a like a visual i didn't even notice that that's cool there's a lot of ones like that and obviously she's realizing in the background a lot of things on this lady's mind there's plenty going on in her head but she's still cognizant enough to put it aside and not implode for the moment yeah what we what we know from this now is that she's not only aware it's definitely vai although she's here and so uh and savika seems actually kind of happy about this just because it's acceleration isn't basically get here fucking insane so we can finally move on without her yeah savika's interesting uh she's not really wrong to think that jinx is uh kind of a ticking time bomb in that sense oh totally i could be i could easily see myself fucking hating her if she was on my team and it was my boss that liked her not me yeah because it's preferent it was preferential treatment in a big sense because she is useful but she's also unstable as shit and sometimes shoots up the entire crew yeah yep um and then we get another really good scene and it's with a different character a little character known as marcus yay uh opening with a shot of his daughter in a frame infrowning at his own reflection in the mirror and slamming the sheriff badge onto the table this is storytelling by the way no it's just sometimes you don't even get to appreciate this sort of stuff because everyone's been lulled into liking shit like book above of that so that you you don't even expect this to happen you're just waiting for someone to say something because that's what storytelling is i feel this way i'm angry yes this is how i feel angry because i'm the sheriff i'm going to sometimes i need to remind myself of the things that i want and how i am feeling do you remember reflection ten years ago damn you're stopping me and yeah it's uh it's neat as well because he's clearly really unhappy and then he notices a laugh and then he smiles briefly because it's his daughter like oh the one thing i care about that handful of seconds sums of his character like completely that's exactly who he is right there unfortunately his his daughter's real happy because she's playing games with silco in his house silco fucking terrifying in his house with his daughter with his goons like very bad and this scene is something a lot of people seem to forget when judging marcus as a person uh we'll put a little pin in that that'll be relevant next episode so it will be it says i fucking love silco's dialogue in this scene it is top notch we got issues do you remember so everything he's saying is supposed to pass past a child's brain but it's also supposed to be incredibly threatening and informative how do you do that he says you remember our old friend vi she was about your age when your father uh told me that oh sorry she was about your age when her father went on a long trip and her daddy assured me that she went with him did you imagine that being separated from your father excellent like silco you're all bastard he was always got this look at he's always got this very plain look in his eyes that just says bitch um yeah so like the summary of the scene is silco is like vi is alive you told me she died um and he was like she's safe she's fine and that reflects what marcus was interested in which was just saving a life uh it doesn't matter that she's not dead she's out of the picture and he's like she's literally not out of the picture she's in the lanes and he's like the fuck and um silco basically says vi and katlyn cannot be allowed to resurface do we understand each other so this is as blatant as it's gonna get if those two get back to piltover i kill your daughter no um and yeah there's just loads of language in the scene like um yeah i think he says like let's talk outside and silco just goes can't you see we're playing it's like and then of course the house of like tiles falls apart and he just says accidents happen it's like there's so many lines like that that yeah they'll never know it's okay yeah my child's like the laughing way he says everyone makes mistakes right what's important is that we don't repeat them he's this is why people like silco so much seems like that we don't know one of them coming up this episode uh so anyway he's a good person like make that clear victor discovers the hex core reacts to organic matter though it falls apart soon after it doesn't sustain it means they still need to do more work and um we get into desperation levels here he says i feel my body eroding and uh jay says i'll bring heimerdinger maybe he can figure it out until then we do what's best and it's it was we were watching this um i remember me and fringy were like they're gonna bring heimerdinger heimerdinger is gonna be fucking terrified by this thing and he's gonna suggest destroying it that's what's gonna happen it's gonna happen yeah um just because of how well characterized everybody is at this point uh it jay springs in heimerdinger because he wants to help victor without realizing that this is probably not the kind of thing that heimerdinger is on board with probably the exact opposite of what heimerdinger is on board with yep because this shit's dangerous dude is indeed now um vi takes katelyn to a safe house type thing or it's a house they used to play and live at uh that's that's the implication but considering the area and who we see around it it's like things must have changed compared to what it was because there's loads it's basically like a drug addicts like fucking place now yeah it's all these shimmer people everywhere the lowest of the shimmer addicts yeah this is this is the parts of the world that no one likes to see and it's like hey we're doing a thing you're supposed to do if you want us to believe that shimmer a drug has a really bad effect on a society yeah can you guys show any show that maybe i could reference that does the opposite of that uh let's start with a b it's on the tip of my toes and stop the look of both did you did you sing the theme song there by accident i might have if anyone in chat you may have watched our coverage we were confused all the way up until the beginning of the last episode as to what the fuck spice even was and it's like the biggest thing in the whole show it is this also like all of this conflict everything they tell us why the pikes why like the tuskans were murdered why boba fed so invested in this town and how he's gonna fix it all has to do with spice and they it's not even well done he just goes it's been killing people and we were like oh oh cow that's a great question right we're not that far which spice is so delicious they're eating too much food and exploding oh no explode terrifying um so yeah uh kate is just looking at them and they're kind of monstery at this point uh she's just staying away um and gets into the place but vi is pretty delirious at this point probably from blood loss um she starts seeing running around this place a lot and i feel like it's quite appreciating when an actual stab wound is causing severe damage to a character yeah you don't get that a lot in a lot of shows it's kind of neat um is a fading in and out of complete consciousness here lucidity as they might call it and they have a pretty interesting conversation uh katlyn says it's not going to work if you can't trust each other and she says utopsy does always find a way to screw us um i think katlyn says like oh yes we're you know it's all of your your problems are our fault and uh while vi is looking at like a uh when am i looking for and and it's hallucination hallucination that's it of of powder he says not all of them and that i think is as blatant recognition as you're gonna get the vi feels heavily responsible for what's happened yeah directly says i shouldn't have left you to the powder ghost and katlyn interprets that's being to her related to the brothel scene this is very nicely done um and she's like we're not monsters we're people um i think yeah come over she prompts i think she says something like you know you gotta lean to trust or whatever and then she's like you don't know anything about me and that's when she says i shouldn't have left you actually sees powder um but katlyn says i can tell you've got a good heart and then we hear the echo of that line from vanda all the way back was i episode two or three i can't remember oh you wouldn't three uh two sorry it was yeah it was two before she's gonna turn herself in yeah um so yeah everything's running through vise head right now just just all of the things and um still pretty aggressive with katlyn but katlyn clearly believes in vi right now um moving on though uh heimerdinger demands the destruction of the hextech he's uh he has a flash to um what we assume is rise or someone else anyway destroying i believe that's grand oh really that would be my guess because i remember i mentioned to you that in current law brand was a student of rises who like wants to use the power of the world runes which are the biggest magical artifacts in the setting think infinity stones uh to like do horrible shit and he did like just annihilate a village with them uh in kind of this sort of manner at one point so and you know fire so that's my guess that's true definitely a more fire bit image um i'll see well that because i'm assuming they're just going to develop the fuck out of that as we go on with the show uh it could easily just be a random mage schmuck and it's still fine but yeah it's potential for healing is irrelevant to heimerdinger compared to its potential for destruction uh and this time it doesn't quite work out if you remember back in the first two episodes heimerdinger's demand for destruction basically overrules anything but now victor says that's up for the council to decide because he already knows that heimerdinger's power is lessened at this point um and uh before this scene ends uh he's like i've got to go do something and victor's like what like like literally like what could you have to do right now and we do find out not seconds later that he's basically immediately going to plan the destruction of heimerdinger's career basically yeah and i assume he does this very easily in terms of setting up that plan because he'd already thought about this well there's only a matter of time before he might have to enact something to get rid of get heimerdinger out of the way basically um victor mentions he has a friend to visit as well which i think it's easy to see where that's going considering the starting scene well and when victor pleads with heimerdinger heimerdinger's response is victor something's changed you're different and then goes back to the hex core and it's just like storm no um yeah and then katelyn walks outside the the building and she bumps into this guy um they have a name oh probably i don't know if he's got one i just don't know if they say it and uh i may as well take the time to get the visual when we first met him but this is the thing i don't blame anybody for not remembering him um yeah it took me a moment to remember who it was but this is here and it's something to appreciate that's kind of like how i feel about it it's like i wouldn't blame people for being like yeah and they do you know they give you all the information you need even if you don't remember him it's that he's an old friend and i think he explicitly says uh her old man saved my life i probably owe him more than that or something like that um yeah he and uh this is him and vander in the first episode and then of course he is now here uh this is top notch for representing what shimmer has done this guy is a complete fucking mess this stuff is bad like and yeah to the point where katelyn thinks he's like a threat just from the way he looks look at him look at the gross on his head like fucking hell that's a nose oh oh yeah top left and so uh yeah like uh it's it's so blatant that it's like awful that even i think a little bit later she's like why fucking take shimmer which is a worthwhile question yeah because if this is what it does to you which by the way fucking allegory is for real life drugs hey um what kind of person but willingly inject themselves with addictive substances i don't know jim um do oh yeah okay uh yeah he says um it shimmer makes me it essentially makes you feel more powerful and he says to be like someone and to make other people afraid like he's uh it just it just boosts you up like we saw it we've seen it several times and it's just like the second you've taken one dose it's pretty much you're fucked um yeah you are instantly addicted we saw it with the henchmen in the episode three yes we did uh though i imagine shimmer has changed a little bit since then but it's probably still got that level of property i'd imagine um so he takes it to a little potion seller and potion seller is like hey uh potions are your strongest potions yeah you cannot have my strongest potion unless you trade and don't worry i think everybody agrees with the criticism here she immediately gives up her rifle which is yeah all you need for this scene is for her to offer something like one of her buckles or like the little belt things on her on her arms and stuff and then like to be given a look of like are you fucking kidding me yeah i can't imagine the price is super super high considering where this person is yeah like and she has no idea what this stuff is worth so then you have her offer some bullets maybe and then the woman like somehow gestures she wants the gun or maybe even you have him say like you're gonna have to give her the gun and she could be like you fucking know i can't get and then you could just have his paws and be like yeah because you know i have no problem believing she would do this trade i just need her to have been pushed into it yeah she's not gonna it would show how important the gun is to her it almost seems like oh it's just a gun it it's not worth that it mean that here it is instead of really wanting to hold on to it because it did save vise life earlier yeah this is the thing you represent defending herself yes so she should be hesitant to give it up i do like the idea the other way that the potion seller adds something before handing it over as if to imply that had they stolen it which they could do yeah it wouldn't have worked so but um yeah i just would have liked to get a little bit more prompting because i can believe that she would give up the gun even though because if someone said like what you know she would never give up the gun it's like if it means saving vise life uh that's the interesting conundrum and i think that she would eventually give it up i know what they're going for like oh you know she started out here pointing the gun at little tumor guy like a whole bunch but then she realizes all the chaos and shit down here and now she realizes that you know she can't she doesn't have to you know solve all her problems with violence and so she's going to give up her gun is kind of like a uh representation of that but uh no you're right it was it was kind of immediate for her to just go all right here you go my most prized possession i thought the kind of angle they were trying to play was that was furthering the thing from the first episode of the top side is not knowing how to haggle in the undersea so they can just get overcharged constantly which is a different situation boss because yes but why would a potion seller want a gun you know i i i i i don't know it's valuable there's she could probably trade a gun as a pathway to many other things yeah it's true and it's a good valuable apart from what it is um and yet just something to know i i really like this shot first of all showing that the guy is like just locked into staring at that bottle because it's likely a shimmer variant of some kind and then he like he like sort of goes and like like you know realize like looks away sort of thing if i can get that shot again um there's a better one a little bit later as well but just uh he's looking at it and then he like wakes himself up like uh i'm not i'm not that's fine yeah and as she drags it away they have this shot as well just like look at that fucking guy he is even his eyes glow pink just briefly yeah it's just really nice and subtle to show just how much this has just destroyed his life this this uh this stuff um you have silco to thank for all of that yep so uh next scene marcus uh is going with silco's plan to frame the fire lights which i think is super interesting to think about that he didn't do that up until his family was threatened oh hey it's not jay oh hey not jay i'm okay go give him a second it's f hi f it's boot up he's revving up okay ring glow ring glow you there yes yeah hi don't worry you haven't missed too much we're only halfway through the first episode's coverage at an hour so yeah not a fantastic speed but we're gonna have to keep going we're gonna have to keep going um oh we decided to start a little early because we could uh so yes i i yeah so for those of you in chat i would i was asleep while all of these plants were set in motion i told them that already let them know that you're not to bless see i told you guys this would happen and then i would just clarify that these plants were set in motion while i was you said that you would say it's just clarifying i think i used that exactly i have a little gaslight hell yeah let him drink his first coffee let him boot up it's not it's not cringy's fault chat this time yeah this time um jay also started up a stream um and we've now realized that jay wouldn't have made it even if we hadn't changed the time so jay is a liar jay is canceled and that is that's good it's good that that's happening anyway how much stuff happens like i know the world doesn't stop when i go you know it's not like the world hits pause and revolves around me there's all sorts of things happening which i think is unfair if we were going to pause at any point it should be when for you to sleep all in favor exact yeah oh whoa i'm not sure i don't know free is like well actually that's probably not a good idea uh so yeah like i said i just i think it's interesting that it is now that he's engaging with framing the fire lights which he was clearly against doing an episode four but he's you know it's too much pressure now um and then the first question jace obviously has is like where the fuck were you with all of this how is this only being dealt with now and uh mox says that they've been dealing with the hex gate security so we haven't had time to deal with like undercity terrorism essentially um which is an east just to add that's in the addition to the world building uh that you know verifies what silka was saying about topside leaving them behind because they don't really need the fissures as such anymore because they're a global shipping lane now thanks to the hex gate um and then so this scene is actually the most blatant scene of marcus being a clever boy um he basically tells jace the only way to deal with the firelight problem is to lock up the bridges and we wouldn't want to do that and then jace is like do it and he's like oh are you sure oh when it's like that's exactly what marcus wants he doesn't want silko coming into his house again well that plus the fact that he can snipe off uh katlyn and vi because that's his primary job from silko now so it puts him in the best position he can get that is the best thing he can do right now considering everything but uh there's another interesting interaction where and i think this is the most blatantly shrewd that marcus is being and it might have been picked up where he's like oh um i that that kiriman girl she uh she got someone out of prison either the you know like with your approval anything that i should be helping with and jace like hesitates with what he's doing and he's like uh no we got it covered which is interesting right because does this mean that katlyn did all of that without jace's knowledge and he's covering through is that what we're supposed to gather from this uh it's either that or jace didn't know the extent that this would go to to the point where it's being picked up by the head of the enforcers which makes him think that oh like did she do something that's like legitimately like a fucking big deal because um jace looks shocked when marcus brings it up my assumption is that jace is realizing katlyn forged his signature but that he trusts katlyn so much that he figures that whatever she's doing it for is important wow katlyn should be very very very appreciative of jace 100 yeah because that never actually gets brought up again uh yes jay there needs in season two there needs to be a conversation between jace and katlyn about their them like what what are they to each other at this point what's what's going on what where do they stand not just relationship wise which it isn't going to pan out but it's what jace knows about it and that that conversation needs to take place and it's something that i'm looking forward to seeing well yeah because uh we will we're almost there but like the relationship between jace and katlyn has um dramatically changed since they would have lost spoken to each other and neither of them realize that yet because they've become different people to a degree it's really neat how they've just like they they just grow apart i don't think that's something you particularly see very much when it's not like yeah because they're separate yeah they're separated but they different walks of life and they just end up different people um but yeah so the the bridges are now gonna be closed up uh well they're closed up in the sense that you you have to be inspected before you can cross the bridge that's how it works um which leads us by the way that scene jace is just writing something and we're about to find out what that is because we have a council meeting where it opens with uh haimedinga saying we have traded honor for prestige um and to return to what we built this place for it's gonna take vigilance and we must hold each other accountable which was i think jace was just waiting for a word to jump on haimedinga because he's like and who holds you accountable and uh so i quite love the character work in this scene haimedinga is just like i'm gonna explain in simple and calm words why we should do a thing that's obviously the right thing and like when jace fucking attacks him haimedinga is like what like he has no fucking clue that this was even a potential he's completely blindsided um and yeah jace says shimmer is rampant attacks the academy square and the hex gates enforces fear the lanes like what the fuck have you done about all of this mister i am leading this place and haimedinga is legit like i have no fucking what what is happening like that would be pretty like stunning like uh yeah because these he's never received these criticisms before he's obviously you know like i like haimedinga a lot but he's obviously been pampered a little bit like nobody's a dick to him because he's nice to everybody uh and he's kind of distance himself from everyone else's affairs yeah he's he's happily just been in in the science uh which uh he's missed the politics which again this was all set in play in the previous two episodes um and yeah so he uh jace like stands up and he's like what's your plan to fix this and haimedinga is like oh i see what this is about your hex tech needs more time which is again just cutting right to it haimedinga knows what's going on now he was a bit confused but now he gets it because he's just looking for that motive um and there's this moment where i think haimedinga goes from here being like oh you're suggesting bullshit i'm gonna deal with it but um and so like i would argue he's aggressive and ready to for the fight that's haimedinga's expression here but then jace starts talking a little bit and um a statement he starts coming out with is you are the true father of piltover and your years of service can never be repaid and the second he starts saying that haimedinga realizes what jace is about to do and uh the expression absolute falling of his face because it's just like uh look at this little guy never stated because this is simultaneously the fact that you would even try that the person who i have helped so much and taught so much and he spoke up for you so much just uh yeah he just never would have seen this coming didn't and his little ears they flopped out as well jace isn't pleased with what he's doing no no no no he's not a fan he's gotta do it yeah because i wanna but he feel like he's gotta because in his mind he thinks that's like the proper thing to do for piltover basically and for victor that sounds a lot about yeah he's not doing this for himself so he wants to help victor and hopefully piltover as well i think victor is like at the front of his mind right now it's like we need this technology to say because this happens right after yeah i feel like that's the statement to sum up all of jace's character for like a huge amount of it is he doesn't wanna but he feels like he's gotta why doesn't heimer say jace is doing crazy shit in his basement so that crazy shit in his basement is precisely why the counselors are on jace's side uh hextech is why they're invested in jace and why they're gonna side with him because they would rather proliferate hextech in all of its possibilities instead of going safe and controlled yeah not to mention this was um this was kind of bouncing off of when they were when they were speaking during the opera and how jace basically said like if you invest in us you get a front row seat to all my cool shit yeah and uh so everyone is already like literally and figuratively invested in jace's work not to mention jace has a very real point that humans cannot wait for progress because they don't live as long as heimerdinger does yeah hextech has weeks maybe yeah months we don't know yeah he doesn't have all this time weeks from the looks of it yeah it's pretty pretty bad already for victor um they don't have there was a time to get things done they can't plan that far ahead they don't have like okay we have a century timeline for this particular project and all of its uses because essentially it's an entire person's lifespan plus when i was young i used to read a lot of yeah go ahead just as someone said and yet neither of them bring up hextech uh heimerdinger explicitly brings it up and then jace says what theo just said which is that we can't wait for progress humans die so it's addressed but i don't even think it needs to be addressed the point here isn't that the council fully understand the nature of the safety of the hextech it's that he's being completely backstabbed right now um and there's not much he can do about it because the council have been bought essentially but go ahead what were you doing there was a old science fiction story i read uh because i've read many when i was young um where a human was converted i forget the name of the story i wish i remembered but there's a part where they have this this crew of different alien species and amongst them there are humans and a human character is talking to one of the aliens and one of this alien species they live for hundreds of years and they say that one of the they think one of the reasons that humans at least in this world had progressed so quickly in terms of technology and things like that whereas his race had taken much much much longer to do it was because the shorter lifespan of humans had encouraged them to be a lot more risky and to try and get things done faster because they knew they didn't have this huge swath of time to just sound like something that went on a mass effect you know the solarians only live for like 30 35 years yeah but you got it you got races like the uh the asari who live for like hundreds and hundreds of years if not thousands of thousands or something so i remember like i remember that being brought up like you know why humans are so you know bold and brash and abrasive and quick and everything is because they don't live long enough so i remember that being a mass effect thing as well uh and i'll get i'll give you one more uh because i've responded to four things from the same chat because it's the goalpost keep fucking moving i'ma doesn't bring up jayce's new invention why he has no reason to bring up the invention beyond saying the technology is untested that's it he can't what is he gonna say like i saw them put a plant on the hex core and it made it become a bigger plant and then it died so yeah there's really not all he can say is i believe that's gonna lead to bad things which is like the point he's making uh the thing is the council is on taking that seriously right now because they want to get the supply lines open the business is thriving etc i have to mention it how's he gonna explain that to the council anyway are they even really gonna listen like as as non scientists yeah i mean this is where i mean it all lines up as far as i can tell yeah yeah absolutely i gotta he can cite examples of magic destroyed cities yes changes nothing you know else destroy cities technology yeah you know else destroy cities armies like i don't think heimerdinger isn't wrong it's just that he's not going to be very compelling and this is what he's been telling the whole time only now they have very tangible results from jayce's inventions that really stand in the way of allowing heimerdinger's mindset to come through um and yeah he says uh it ends with it's time we give our beloved father a well-deserved retirement and he's just like don't do this because um it's obviously not about whether or not he needs a retirement or whether or not his points are just these he's too old to understand it's literally uh well heimerdinger knows they're trying to get rid of him because he's the only thing standing in the way of safety oh well destruction sorry the other the other the other part of safety um but yeah i really like they show each of the counselors some of them are shaking one of them is like it's katlyn's mom who looks really like fucking worried because this is this is big potatoes but they all have the power to do this um so they start committing to it and heimerdinger uh jayce is the last one who uh still hesitates very hesitant to even face his arms it's like uh because he's very well aware he's he just stabbed his mentor in the back and he never did anything wrong to him basically he even looks away from him he turns his head the other side and i think it's important that uh heimerdinger is still blown away that mel would agree and i think this is a moment of like he has to realize that mel is not quite as straightforward as he probably thought yeah um and yeah and he's just seeing everyone else vote him out it's so sad the devastated look on his face as they all like man i didn't think i'd give him a heimerdinger fuck man and don't even think it's only because he's getting voted out he's just like oh man you're probably all gonna destroy yourselves i've seen this all before dude there's so much to it i think that it's the fact that his he is like as he was described the father of piltover he's like the one that created all of this got everyone together focused everybody on the ideas and he's getting removed um and he's watching all these people who i think he would believe just with his like basic understanding of like dare i say humanity that like they wouldn't vote me out he's like i've been with these people for probably decades so yeah it's just it's incredibly stressful environment for him but he's his whole life's flashing before his eyes i'd imagine he's completely blindsided i imagine which is why like even if there was more that could be said in his defense he isn't able to really say it because like what the fuck is happening jace comes in with the final vote which means it's past and he's just fucking gotta go to go to deal with all that um but uh i think it's worth mentioning this is uh this is very fast um in terms of a process what does everyone think about that i think it's uh easy easy to abuse and we've already seen the abuse i know when i watch this the first time i felt like it happened too quick that it's not a huge deal because there is some setup that leads to be like like everyone's got their motivations for it happening that this has been sort of referred to before i just feel like it's suddenly happening like someone just brings it up and everyone votes on it and then you would figure that it would be a process for this you know yeah like i want the father gone you assume that the safeguards to prevent this kind of speed of trial happening though i wonder does piltover have the division of powers i don't know that heimating are ever sort of this is that's where i was going to go with this so i imagine they're kind of a young system in a sense i know the 200 it's like that's not that yeah it's like it is if if like they've not dealt with a lot of these kinds of issues bureaucratically wise or count i imagine this council has been very straightforward for so long that they have rules that they're not even like you know like britain has rules like this in relation to the queen where it's just like why the fuck does she have the power to do this like don't worry she'll never use it it's like yeah but she never because she never does it but what if by nine that's the thing i i can believe that they maybe when they were setting up this council is like well if every other member votes for a council member to be removed then like that's reasonable right that means that something's wrong with that council member this is the right thing to do without realizing it's like yeah but what if they're all politically corrupt and essentially paid off to get rid of them what if it's a it's a thing to get rid of the person i just don't think he ever foresaw that it would be used against him in a really like slimy way because i don't think he foresaw that people could get on the council while not being you know of a similar mind to him in that way because you'd theoretically arrive on the council by standing for what piltover was built for and um as far as i'm saying it's probably something that malin j like mal knew this was an option and then got jace to push it really hard and then like this was all done so quickly and effectively and then the rest of them they're not really voting him out because of what jace has said they they just know that they got a follow along with what jace suggests at this point if they want access to more hextech shit especially with heimerdinger's whole premise being we got to stop the hextech shit um but yeah i think it's it's built really well i'm not sure how i would tweak it to make this maybe more easy to digest in terms of a political system having such a significant change i don't know i'd have to give it some thought um maybe yeah i don't know it would help if we had more time certainly to to drag it out a little bit longer to maybe i don't know yeah i'm not sure off the top of my head it feels quick it feels like it just sort of happens in an instant um but i think in the context of it being galvanized by uh crisis in that sort of way helps smooth things along yeah i think so oh hi j wow how was your stream j it was great yeah i i didn't get to see it i would have but i was yeah we were just doing you fat now so we're too busy yeah yeah i thought we were starting at seven which is yeah well now which is currently half an hour late if that were the truth well if if we were starting at seven i would have ended streaming come on oh okay but because wow that was my plan my plan was to stream for an hour and then come on oh yeah considering i was late anyway i thought i'd spend a little longer wrapping up all right i'm already late i'll just be later this is why people want to kick you this is exactly why well because i'm not here because you're flungus let's say he has to be here got him you missed hymerdinger getting fired how could you no no i don't want to relive that painful memory that's true um all right enough pleasantries we must move on we're already running the only thing that the only thing that would have really improved this scene is if jace looked down at hymerdinger and said okay boomer this show is meant to be able to be consumed by like teenagers and stuff right it was a bit harsh you know i think that's like our rated shit and for me silence i think you agree i think jace should have directly said to hymerdinger hymerdinger i need you out of the way so i can help victor with hextech i think that would have probably improved it then the other characters are like i agree but not for the reasons you may think they just like yeah yeah victor needs our help yeah oh next scene there are many people who claim that the interest of vi and katlyn and katlyn and vi comes from nowhere in episode eight um i'm just taking off my copyright screen there oh she gets to the the uh the old potion and she's flipping out and she grabs her as she's flipping out and they just they just have this little thing it's like oh it's fine don't worry about it moving on and uh great gay we've already had a few of the little bits and bobs it's just you know there's an interest of some kind between them about something anyway moving on so you go uh she sees the name powder and vi on the wall from when they were comparing heights they were younger and she's like who's powder and she says i thought she died she's my sister and she says how do you not know she's alive and then she's like hard to check when i'm in prison she's like well don't you have parents these are all very normal questions but like when you listen to me like oh my god katlyn can you say privilege like these questions are very awkward for for to understand the answers are all really horrible it's like no parents yeah they were killed by enforcers assholes like it all right oh it's like a hurdle um though the potion seems she says why didn't they comply oh god i'm taking a head off i think but uh the potion seems to have done a magic slash fantasy which is heal the wounds just completely it's it's all done now um mechanically shimmer is a fantasy juice that does all kinds of things and i think we've already had it implied it has healing properties um so i'm mostly fine magic yeah magic shaman lady in the shadows might be special yeah he took the shimmer it got him right back on his feet true um so anyway uh they they're really sort of restated that this place is very rickety and uh then they hear noises outside and it's silco oh never the one to make a cool looking entrance sure it's quite a it's almost like a you know like you have hero entrances like such such a villain one where he's holding the the shimmer vials and these the the creatures of this area of people who have just been destroyed by shimmer all surrounding him stuff just like uh he's drunk jesus yes he's already done the slow clap entrance so now it's now for this one he's got a checklist of entrances to do yeah dude um he's so good he's got this covered uh one of the one of the lines he has that i found really interesting he says um candidly i thought you were the prize of your second hand family but jinx is more than i ever imagined i wonder if there's an implication there that he was actually planning something for vi of some kind um because a lot of people talked about this but in the scene with uh in episode three it's interesting that he gives the command to decade to kill them after the explosion like implying maybe that the command previously wasn't killed them it was something else i don't know like there's this thoughts about what was silco's plans exactly and it's just like i'm pretty sure he was gonna kill him you definitely decided to eventually but you know i may have had a contingency of if i can make vi see things my way that'd be a fucking asset to have on hand maybe yeah um also it's probably worth mentioning i don't think we ever mentioned it in uh in the streams but um uh goga mentioned the reason that she's got vi on her face and i was like convinced by it um his prison number was five one six and so five five one for one and then together they make six that's enough of a reason for it to put that tattoo on your cheek i think interesting um and then when she put it on she was like oh my name's vi oh wow think about that another another theory i heard was uh that's the number of people that she lost i don't know if that works uh you have to push it a little to make that work right because you have to you count you have to count powder when her whole thing is getting to powder as soon as she can like uh she didn't confirm powder dead so powder can't count which means we have milo claga vanda a new parents which makes for five mama dad yeah unless you want to say five for v and then one for maybe powders dead she's the one of the other thing but i think the the the five one six thing works just better and i think that was just the right way of trying to be like okay we'll keep the stupid vi tattoo but we'll try and justify it a different way it's kind of like you're eating wanted to say something and then gave up halfway through the food was so delicious like i can't talk right now we're not eating not eating i like i like stuff halfway through my words like hang on let me try again oh my god that's anyway the thing that um like if i was like a fucking writer and i was put that on my desk like the character's name is vi and she has a tattoo um that says vi on her face my immediate thought would be to go okay do people call her vi because of that tattoo well here's the thing like i think this is one of those things they had to well they maybe had to throw together like suddenly on this box they realized maybe they've made a mistake because in the in vi's law in the game her name isn't violet i don't think or at least right that makes sense to me like so the nickname vi probably came from the tattoo right okay yeah to me that would be the best explanation that they could have in the show well i mean i think this is sufficient well the thing the thing about this to me is that right even if her um prison number is that and she's getting a five for the vi and you know right whatever right there she still must be aware that that's her name and that what she's doing is getting a tattoo of her name on her face like that's still gotta be something that she knows is happening so anyway i'll take your silence as agreement i'm just glad they let them get tattoos in prison yeah gotta keep all that creative freedom flowing you know um all right where are we here yeah so uh silka does villain speech uh jinx is walking around she's overhearing this she's not quite sure what's going on vi decides instead of battling these fucking shimmer goons she'll break the um the structure there and she was already pretty rickety and uh just i think it topples forward so they just move forward as in like you know it's toppling to them so they go straight through because then it won't hit them basically the kind of thing you should be able to figure out as a human being that he never do in a lot of movies you know what show they didn't figure that out in book of oba fat stupid droid is chasing them down a really long street they just didn't turn left or right because they were like why would i do that it's stupid no we'll we'll be cornered if we keep going we can't just keep going so it's not like this is different directions does that just put up with that yeah i remember uh when they're getting chased by a guy with a baseball bat and they make a joke specifically about the fact that three of them don't split up because he keeps following them because he's still afraid to go in a different direction i remember bat woman did that too bat woman's chasing this dude and fucking bat mobile dude's on foot and he's just running down the street happens all the time all the time up um people lose 75 percent of their iq whenever they're being chased by anything yeah you prepare that actually you know if i was being chased i'd probably lose some iq because i'm a little bit scared because i'm a little pussy yeah probably i'm a little pussy i mean you're doing like eating noises while you're not eating so yeah um this whole structure is about to fall on silco um i've seen people mention like plot armor that he survives this like it looks as if he knows there's a big eye he looks at it and so he probably would have been like i'm in the center of the eye this is the best i can do yeah he pulls a bus from keaton he does yeah um um like he does move himself so i think he moves himself into the eye to give himself the best chance of survival then we get a little music number because there's destruction everywhere vi and katlyn are climbing back up and um powder pops the flare for lack of a better script of what it is because i'm not even sure um the flare that's what she was told to a light uh back which is always fine do yeah and uh seen it noted that it makes a big blue smoke which is the closest thing i think we get to a connection to jinx's tattoo she's got blue clouds the go down your arm and like torso i think as well i didn't think about that yeah well and i just wonder if that's why that tattoo is there that she's thought about pulling this thing for the whole life basically um yeah uh vi spots it and uh they do a sort of montage of them heading toward it while silco is losing his fucking mind um this is kind of the first time we've ever seen silco do that he's always been calm about things but this time he's actually losing his shit kicking the hell out of these his henchmen but just really strange all of a sudden when he tries to do his usual response for a moment you see him by here he's just sitting down and having a think it's not quite working out though and so he gets up and starts doing a big yell um and i think that what we're supposed to take from this is that this is the most stressed out silco has ever been in his entire life and he can't control himself anymore like he usually does we've got all the pressures of the usual stuff with uh piled over versus zon but now he's like the favorite person in the world might uh think very differently of him if she's able to find out something that he desperately tried to control and has now failed to to the point where he knows i think this is about to fall apart uh yeah lots of things going wrong for silco right now and he's gone not really able to do anything so he's just fucking flipping out because of course he had to like throw together a response in an afternoon because he didn't know that vi was alive and then suddenly she's just in the lanes yeah this is all happening really quickly for him also there's this shot and combined with the music which i can't share uh quite effective yeah it's pretty good yeah i didn't even register the music was wood kid the first time around it was what sorry uh wood kid uh do you remember the person who did the music for that one trailer for assassin's creed revelations that one oh was it that guy that that was a really cool trailer me too i remember that trailer now a lot of good assassin's trailer i like wood kid um but what's also happening at this point is that the the bridges are being sealed and marcus is covering it with all of his men it's just uh we knew this would happen and it's happened um until the sequence ends and yeah seriously silco is fucking up his uh his friendo there curb stomping him yep it's already dead the sequence ends with with powders flair running out and her getting a bit frustrated until she hears her voice being called and um this is the thing gonna be different for everybody at this point in the show but i was so fucking invested in this pretty after the first episodes i was just like oh my god they finally met back up and they everything oh shit i've skipped something actually yeah okay so a couple of things we'll get back to that in a moment right so we get part two of the flashback for victor as a kid um he's clearly collected some of those little like flowery weird things that uh rio eats right to deliver them and he sees rio this is the first shot by the way it's just like this looks like fun yeah um alive it's not exactly well yeah i think would be the way to describe that oh yeah it looks really rough um milking machine well it could be milk it it could also be ejecting uh i want that gecko milk he's he's an interesting fellow that guy well yeah so victor's terrified and yes uh for rio obviously um and is it the when singed walks into victor holding him he repeats that the mutation must survive yeah i thought you understood the mutation and uh yeah it's just like you did this and uh leaves victor would have just thought that meant oh you're gonna save its life yeah not this not doing absolutely anything to keep it to keep it alive which um we then cut to like they very deliberately split this up and i like it quite a bit they pan and the room changes and look how far singed has come with rio he's now in this giant tank just all this experimentation still alive yeah um is an incredibly interesting character given how little time he has in the show yeah and still a little more to go yeah we still got more to go we still got a little bit more to learn about him and uh it's also just well executed because uh especially with victor's first response once the scene begins that's exactly what i've been going through his mind as he came here yeah he was calling you know the second time he went down to singed lair and found rio like that yes completely concluded by his line where he says i understand now and uh this is a cool moment for the game fans too because this is totally normal for the show watchers that singed that's what's what he looks like after the explosion he was in um but for the game it's like oh that's singed and they know that you if you watch the scene knowing it's a reveal you could tell that they did that on purpose yeah it's a dramatic beat when he turns and everything yeah good shit you just like him because he also makes goo no no i like i like that uh in the show we have several different types of scientists essentially no not types of goo just types of scientists like we we try to if it was like we're hitting all of the uh i guess important archetypes that we want for scientists to explore you know these concepts like hymendinger is hyper like socially responsible scientist he's always concerned about let's slow it down let's chill out we need to make sure that this is safe we need to test it we need to we need to steadily march forward even if that means that we're going a little bit slower to make sure that we we're safe and we don't hurt people and then on the other side of the spectrum is singed who is entirely devoted to like science and making progress in science and achieving these things you know beating death essentially he is completely subsumed in in that goal and and not even like there's no doubt in his mind that this is the way that he ought to operate and then if it was like victor and jacer in the middle kind of oscillating between both sides but with different motives in mind uh because like with in the case of victor it's it starts to become more about himself and saving himself whereas i guess with jace it's more so about trying to yeah this is what we've got to do to like save the most people um it's just really cool to have all of those perspectives in the show and explore throughout it um i think sinch is like really great as a method of exploring that i can't wait for more of him i can't wait for more of him i'm super excited to see more essentially with what he's been up to oh yeah show fit since you were um with its attitude towards science being um all of having all of these attitudes towards science explored is pretty relevant to what's going on in the world where we have currently where we have um stuff like i a being i a i being developed which could potentially be very dangerous but we're still developing it anyway i feel like it's a very relevant modern concern that the show is about even though it's literally about magic allegory i mean i would say yeah i guess it because this one's more focused on death i guess life and death like that's kind of what sinch is trying to work on yeah um you might survive and and just how victor has gone from being disgusted to be in like any help uh i suppose i probably should wait for this but i'm just wondering about in the context of stuff cinched says later if the mutation surviving has like how one interprets that well do you want to put it in your back pocket we'll get there yeah i guess so no little lunchbox i don't have a lunchbox loser so silco is looking he sits down in his office and he realizes wait what the fuck he's still mad um jinx has drawn like a bunch of shit with a knife and arrow that points up and he spots that savika has been uh tied up let's say with the word liar he'd scribed on it on your arm yeah which is not good uh for silco that means that obviously silco jinx has found out everything from savika more than likely means all the shit that he just went through was for nothing mm-hmm yep and i think that's the last we see of silco for this episode isn't it it's gonna be next time his second act one point he's yeah he's quite alive that's okay um okay back to what i was jumping ahead to because i fucking love this scene um we've got like jinx is pretty tangled right now this is very much a difficult situation and she already is almost like vice not here for me that fucker and throws the uh the flare she's obviously angry but then via is actually there and like this is the thing she's already a killer she's already kind of a psycho but like i just fully believe that jinx doesn't want to have to deal with any of this i'd like this expression where she sees via it's like one of hope as far as i've considered um representative a bit of like wait me and her that was like the best time of my life yeah and anyway it's just a huge moment because they both come very far and you as a as a viewer like this could go in many ways and uh i think they handle it incredibly well so they she hugs her immediately and it's it's neat in a sense that jinx would be very against that with pretty much anybody else but she's already just let her in completely um yeah so quick and she's already tearing up as well because this uh we got all the context for their um their childhood so this just you know what is being appealed to here with both of them um because all those i guess negative feelings that jinx has been cultivating and dealing with it's hard to like when the person's right there again i guess and like they did show up after you let the flare i don't know it's hard to really deal with that at the same time well not to mention too it was pretty like just from some of her designs how she painted her nails both blue and violet showed like in a subtle manner that she still was really hoping to see her again she was always on her mind um someone just said it's amazing how the ai drew all of this it's almost like humans did it what so the only thing that that makes me think about is i've actually seen some people watched our boba fat coverage and concluded we said that arcane was made by robots um why why why so i can explain this because listening comprehension work on it right go back and listen again what i say is that luke was constructed in audio and visuals completely artificially though if you keep a good eye on him and you listen closely it becomes clear he's robotic then i said a lot of people say that there's no chance of anything like not human ever being able to come close to human and then we immediately say well we've just watched arcane so we know that even if it's not human you can still get to the point which is almost better than human and some people were like yeah but arcane wasn't made by an ai it's like that's not what we're saying that is uh man that is really working comprehension yeah just like listen again and you'll understand our point because for some reason you thought that we thought that this was all made by an ai like no and i'm not saying that's what that chatter is saying it's just the only thing i can think of that they can say that could you imagine finding out like literally the entirety of arcane was made by an ai that was terrifying terrifying and i'd be like please get this ai to make more i'd be right in the corner just shaking back and forth like oh my god it's terrible and ai did that it's like well i guess that's the end of that era and beginning of the new robot god era yeah but the thing is um what at that point right is you want you don't want like disney to own that ai you want anyone to be able to use that ai because disney would have full control like they can they can make a movie at the touch of a button it's amazing but anyone could do that it's just disney owns the button so we're back on this topic again are we yeah please let's let's move on yeah well i'm just gonna say that uh even if this we're all handcrafted i do believe ai will be able to create this shit on their own eventually of course eventually yeah like what we saw with luke was it getting better it is already better than mando season two it's been more a year i i don't see how anybody could not be convinced give it like a hundred years give it a thou like however long you think it takes we're gonna head towards there eventually it depends we could reach some kind of fundamental technological limitation that stops progress right that would be the other possibility i suppose that's that's possible i i guess the thing is is that when we already see now that you've got like artificial intelligence that can like create musical compositions and artwork and it's not like there yet just give it time yeah um i don't know why that you'd assume that it wouldn't be possible with enough time or enough you know continued development very nice that it is yeah so something i like as well is that um when i was watching this i was like just tell you take it to prison that's the first thing you got to get clear straight away you didn't abandon it she literally says that first thing yeah i was taken to prison and uh powder's reaction is marcus and then she goes i don't know like the the fact is that uh jinx would have been told by silco through marcus that by was dead so that means either silco lied or marcus lies some someone's lied basically yeah yeah um and yeah like the the thing is uh powder jinx at really this point i could call her either she's um this is great but things aren't quite like they used to be um like she misses the fuck out of eye and and and it's nice they're reunited but i mean we got a lot of stuff to talk about basically uh to ask are you real first yeah she says are you real which is pretty rough well that implies she she's very well aware of her like mental situation it's like oh she sees all these things and doesn't even know if most of them are actually real building puppets of the dead friends i imagine in like less clear terms this has happened in some form before yeah maybe yeah um yeah and then we get one of my favorite expressions throughout the whole thing this is in response to so the confirmation vibe is real this is real we're here this is happening i'm your sister and then just uh jinx breaking down because uh she says things changed when you left i changed like just with with how she looks when saying this to me it's like she's not happy about where she is right now but she's there and it's kind of hard not to address it what she wants now she realizes that it's closer within her grasp going back to how things were before is farm is closer to being in her grasp than she ever realized it was but she's still realizing it's probably not possible because of um she's voicing that frustration right she never knew it was this possible but it still isn't she's so close now to getting what she wants but she still can't have it yeah it's uh i i i imagine she wonders if it is still possible because uh well just the the fact that it's by the fact that vi exists is alive and cares about it yeah she's got all these things confirmed right now and this is her reaction that i may have been i may have gone too far uh but that confirmation is then damaged significantly um in a moment because vi says we we've we've both done things to uh to survive from what matters is we're together which i think is the closest we'll get to what vi went through in prison um she's probably done some stuff in there that she is not proud of uh from that line and she's killed some silcoons probably yeah yeah probably proud of that way just a just a quick video game thing uh i guess is worth mentioning uh vi calls jinx pow pow here as you know a nickname for powder uh later on in in the video game later down the line for her she starts to call that gun the minigun pow pow oh interesting um it would be nice if that minigun came later though just yes but yeah this in terms of like a juxtaposition of character this is such a soft moment and jinx is totally like this is the nicest and calmest we've ever seen her but then you hear footsteps and i was thinking about this when i was watching it the first time i was like katelin's here um and the problem with katelin being here is several fold you have to understand all the characters in play right now we go with katelin first because she's probably the easiest her perception is i've broken someone out of a prison to help understand how silco is destroying different things and controlling different things related to the fight between piltover and zorn so far i've done really well and made sacrifices for this vi person who i believe is a good person um she's got lots of issues happening and we've just bumped into silco who tried to kill us i feel like at this point we've got enough to work with um and we're kind of like you know are we heading out and then it's like well vi's got to see her sister first her sister who 100 matches the person who's fueled katelin to go on this adventure the person who's killed a bunch of enforcers the person who's been blowing up parts of piltover so katelin is obviously feeling partially betrayed and furious then go over to vi so it was like loves one of these people and fully respects one of these people um having to deal with both of them completely crossing swords and needing to calm the situation down before it gets any worse and then jinx being someone who has incredible issues with abandonment betrayal mistrust lies she's got all this confirmed from from from vi so it's working out but wait savika told her earlier she's not here for jinx she's here for the gemstone and she's working with enforcers or is with an enforcer and this person shows up um and so that's all you really need vi is hanging out with this person savika said she was hanging out with an enforcer and that she's lying to you she's not actually here for you she's here for the stone if enough of the facts from savika line up then uh it's all needs you just need to push jinx slightly over the edge until uh the rest will be done by something that's a part of your psyche right now which is represented perfectly by voices in your head uh she pushes vi off straight away and starts charging the gatling gun um a fucking expression as well she's like she's so fucking ready to kill kailyn already uh which has got to be a little bit a little yeah it's uh i was gonna say uh like a little birdie there just chilling out but uh the crow is stressful at this seed because with every few lines it cuts back to it good like bra just like he's already figured out he's already figured out that something's going wrong row competition oh yeah because the crow was invested in this working out um yeah i'm like no it's not working out far yeah uh vi's just trying to calm her both down and uh what it takes is that one little realization over to turn the fucking gun on vi like yeah she because she starts putting it together she's like you weren't actually here for me you're trying to get that stupid fucking stone flying me yeah and uh and meanwhile while that's happening kailyn is like your sister is jinx and that vi is like no no no no like like like hang on like because it's stop it you're ruining it that's a little bit snowballing out of her control yeah because that realization is fucking terrible jinx has killed lots of kailyn's friends uh meanwhile just the the left of vi jinx is losing her mind uh and they spin around us again with the fucking dead look at that shot man yeah oh jesus that's bad man and yeah she's again milo's here representing something she's weak she's being manipulated she's being lied to can't trust vi doubt um but then vi does a really good job of coming across as very fucking genuine even when she's aimed the gun right at her face she's like um uh she says like no i'm here for you and she even like grabs her arm a little bit and it's just this great moment of because even i was like you can only push this so far the floor i often find and we're gonna get into this big time as this stream goes on with holly quinn type archetypes is that it's an excuse for a writer to do something they do anyway which is when you know i'm like i'm pretty sure two plus two is five and frieze like oh two plus two is three and rags like i can solve this situation it's and then i don't know there's an explosion that happens in rags like actually maths is kind of gay if you think about it and then we all like have a huge fight and it's like why is nobody talking about the thing that would solve the problem everyone's just going nuts and then holly quinn archetypes they're allowed to just do that for free they can just literally talk about anything they want at any time and destroy conversations and create drama great it's just a free pass but um i was actually impressed with this the vi says all of that then puts her hand on powder like this is the best possible argument she can make and jinx really doesn't have anything definitive to work with and so she actually stops she's like i need to think because she's still got the voices in her head telling her she's wrong um this is carnage for a fucking brain she yes if you look at her face she starts hyperventilating as well as vise talking to her about how she can trust her and uh yeah uh i was already sold pretty much at this point that they're doing an incredible job with jinx this is really hard to nail um but i feel that she's reacting very straightforwardly to a lot of what she's been given when you apply the variables of her brain and her sort of main concerns her main insecurities yeah unfortunately look at this fucking these frames yeah it's like um and then she hears something and um i want to say this now so we can get out of the way instead of being like maybe uh we find out next episode that the fire lights were keeping an eye on vi which we saw and uh they decided to attack her once they had confirmed that she's working for silco and they treated her hugging and being connected to jinx as evidence of that that's why they attack now it's not a coincidence okay um because i think a lot of people think it is but a certain character makes clear that this the reason they went for now was because they they believe all of them are working for silco um so one sister started working for silco who's yeah he doesn't know the other yeah well they have a whole conversation with that which we're getting relatively close to i love this action scene it's been great um the katlin's gunning for the gemstone vi is just looking to defend herself from where the fuck is happening and jinx hates these people wants to kill them and she's firing her katlin gun throughout the whole thing pretty much um it's a lot of like quick shots but and you know it's very frantic in pace but there's still enough for you to clearly understand what's going on like a particular sequence i'd refer to with that is uh you know when one of them throws a blob of the crystal thingy at jinx she ducks it shoots it and then like quickly as the person's going past uh slapped a grenade on the back of his uh board and then there's a few quick cuts around as everyone realizes what's happening we get a cut to the fire light leader as he picks up on that and he goes down there and you know saves that person as they're about to well fold their death or whatever they have a lot of moments where jinx jinx is very aware of the environment she picks up like all of the details all the noises they show us several times doing that yeah she shoots through the um the thing we saw them use in episode four to freeze people um and yeah and as he's flying past to just this and it looks fantastic that's really good all that detail um but yeah she attaches the grenade like theo said bobs him up um and the leader does realize yeah lots of little interactions like that in the fight um more importantly i guess for character is that vi is just trying to fight off the biggest one out of all of them but casually sort of keeping an eye on powder in the fight and realizing something a little disturbing which is that she's very much enjoying this yeah as well as fighting fighting flying pasta that's my dream almost tags vi as well during the fight um but this right here is we're gonna get a lot of this in season two i'd imagine mm-hmm i would hope that's gonna be about i'd imagine um yeah and uh this is i think i was trying to point out but this is the thing that jinx doesn't if i'd seen she bites her lip but she's they're also just having loads of fun as well um which is not what vi would what would like to see and it's obviously that uh that that pink glint there in her eyes mm-hmm mm-hmm but yeah katlin's knocked out and kidnapped and the firelight steal the jam stone with it as well um yeah this happens look at that fight doctor guy look at her just touching that shit and then um this is the thing does she have the power to be able to kick a guy like that over it's like i'm i'm i guess if everyone gets these basically supernatural capabilities i i don't i guess that's just part of this world that people can behave like this i think um i think they do work to justify it here and there but uh that jinx yes because it's essentially just superhuman speed being able to just scrawny pull things out and put things on other things and the time that it happens it's just superhuman speed because meanwhile you have a vi is partially exhausted from brawling the fuck out of this one guy like i fully believe that that just happened but with jinx it feels much more like we're relying on a little bit of tune physics yeah well i guess that's what i was about to say we're talking about like an animation how like what are we doing when we're trying to figure out i guess like how uh fast people can move or how heavy things are or how things operate i think the show does a half and half good job of making it grounded but then also like jumping into a bit of craziness with it uh and so like someone's saying we should more justify the jinx i guess so i'm trying to say that joe rogan punches like shotgun blasts and he's five six he's always so like really much he's also huge jack that's like comparing jinx his body to joe rogan jinx is explicitly scrawny like very scrawny yeah i'm just imagining joe rogan in a fucking jinx wake now there's gonna be memes of her face on his body yeah or maybe his face on her body i don't know yeah um but yeah uh jinx gets slashed on her leg by someone getting a shot and and i i just like the fact that she like screams and then in response aims the gun at him charges it up and he just looks fucking terrified like oh god what have i done like i probably shouldn't have just tried to go for that easy strike uh vai gets knocked out because she's distracted by watching jinx yeah watching her like beat the shit out of someone with the mini gun which is kind of fucked up yeah um but uh jinx gets distracted from executing the kill by them picking vai up um and they slam like a staff to the ground and just makes like the smoky bomb shit smoke clears and you get like what feels to be like i don't know the closest you get for jinx being normal to be like vai and then when she realizes she's gone meaning she can't fucking confirm whether or not this shit is all real if she's being lied to or not she just the the the screen all flips out with the scratches and everything she just shouts no loses it oh which yeah uh again i was just fully on board with her being like ah it sucks because you don't even know if you can trust vai but she's just been kidnapped now so what does that mean it's like i don't know it's yeah more really good expression work is the smoke clears and her face goes back to you know the the more vulnerable expression she had earlier in the scene around vai and then yeah when she's gone just just shit man like um but yeah that's episode six we're at two hours of act too too bad how was that for um the fact that it came out in acts like what was the feeling with this being the end of act two in terms of a cliffhanger um they did a good job of building the hype like i definitely wanted to see what happened next a lot of things gotta are gonna line up a lot of characters and a lot of places i mean i'm really glad that i got to watch it like a minute after this i was gonna say you don't count ranks because you got to watch it whenever you want i meant a theo i think is the only person here maybe das but you had you were literally not allowed to watch anymore until yeah i was just sitting here like counting down the day until the next dot were there weeks between the um yeah it was a week right one week between each act that's not i was a little late to the showing and everything like that by the time i had watched it all the episodes are out well i think uh i wonder if like netflix is gonna actually try and do that with more of that stuff now that it seems like if you want to get people to keep talking about your show that staggered releases is a good way to do it i'd be fine with them releasing it weekly because i would just talk the phone just talk talk with everybody there was a fun element of the discourse yeah um definitely yeah the fresh episode that everybody could talk about all at once at the same time being behind you know and you know it gets talked about for a while instead of a kind of you know the conversation sort of gets stamped out a lot what did you think of the entire show it's pretty good yeah i think it is hard for people to talk about their thoughts on an entire show rather than yeah look how long we talked about boba fair uh yeah i mean we talked about it for long enough that when i we compiled it what i shouldn't say we you you know compile all the episodes into our one it was funny like in the life hours in the live chat so it was like wait so what is this video and someone said freaking compiled all of the videos into ones like what yeah yeah that was yeah that was pretty funny who told you this um anyway we open on episode seven friends really cool with a music video reminds me of infamous oh this to music videos fucking pretty i love it so much it rags what do you think of this music video nice nothing at all okay nothing at all violence from the doggo yes it's nothing yeah well that's fine we'll just we'll just keep going um uh yeah i think it's pretty neat um the quick i guess tonal introduction to who the fire lights are it's just like the compilation i'm back what you're back i'm back yes what do you think of this intro rags um i i'm not a fan it's not i just don't i don't care for it myself um that's it it's it's just uh i just don't care for it it's i don't know it feels too i don't like it too urban and hip hoppy which seems like it just doesn't mix with a lot of the other stuff i don't it's not my thing i just didn't care for it yeah i uh i like the art but i have to agree i i i didn't know what the hell it was doing honestly it kind of reminded me of that that show devil man cry baby where there's like there's this character for like several episodes for some reason he's just like rapping for like two minutes and it leads nowhere and i'm not even sure what the fuck they're doing and it kind of reminded me of that i think it's fairly clear what they're doing with i was gonna say but you i keep talking so you go ahead nah that's that's about it the lyrics like give explicit reference to like what the fire lights are about i'm sure the lyrics are well it's just like the intro lyrics like i i get how the lyrics are part of it but like stylistically i just i it's not my thing i didn't care what is it what does it mean though if like the lyrics are totally appropriate and you just don't like the method by which the lyrics are being conveyed i guess it means that i like the lyrics but i don't like the tone in which it's conveyed i i that's that seems pretty well i guess what i'm saying is like the most appropriate genre to represent the fire lights so considering like well yeah because like i'm not a i'm not too into hip hop and rap and stuff but i can super appreciate this is pretty damn awesome i mean i appreciate it i i i'm not quite sure that i unless it applies to a lot of the music in the show like if we're gonna eat you know if it's like oh it feels too modern it's like well pretty much all of the songs are not like fitting like a victorian era thing like you would hear in Dishonored or something so do we apply the same one to like every single other song that i'd have to i'd have to see the examples individually i don't know what Dishonored is i guess my cross-reference would be uh the club music in um episode what is episode four or five our reintroduction to the undersea uh i think the song is called dirty little animals if that fits i think this fits i really did little animals' lyrics really inform shimmers effect on the world as well i think it's really good because the the lyrics like i mentioned before are kind of similar to playground from episode one in a way but very different in style tone and focus yeah which is indicative of what silco's effect has been i definitely like those visuals though it definitely gives me it reminds me a lot of infamuses uh cutscenes yeah definitely i ground the visuals they're good visuals i'm just did anybody here play infamous or was it just me i played infamous second son but i never played the first one i played the first one when it first came out i have basically no memory of it oh man i i fucking i adore infamous i love that game it's uh i that that game is super cool and super duper underrated barely anybody talks about it when they talk about cool playstation three games game had a great tone it's really leaned into like the comic book sort of a vibe but a little bit darker um it had the binary morality system uh which that aspect of it wasn't great but i did like some of the like storytelling choices that came of of it um yeah that's that's a cool game and it's just nice to be reminded of it every now and then yeah they should they should they should re-release that um like playstation i guess it has to be in playstation five which i don't have but they should really you'll get it eventually give it time give a few decades well they need to do bloodborne first okay can we just haul all releases until they do blood on pc yeah then we can all just get on with our fucking lives just give that game a frame rate like okay right um wait wait wait so uh in chat disco elysium is getting an adaptation from amazon is that true i mean we are we are getting a lot of video game adaptations like the cuphead show just came out like yesterday or like two days ago apparently we're getting a bioshock tv show there's going to be a fallout series on bioshock one's going to be terrible oh wow so we have we have very much entered into that era of video game adaptation it's really funny that a game that a lot of stupid people on the internet shit on for being communist propaganda is getting an ad from amazon wait i mean that game has a great art style um that game has a fucking beautiful art style i i highly recommend that game i mentioned it like a few streets people call bioshock communist propaganda no uh disco elysium okay okay i was i was confused for a second they're like wait this is new i mean someone called someone said that by someone said that ryan was an ardent socialist or so a socialist uh someone who is right i thought you guys would have picked that up it's all about you know getting the value of your own way that would never not be funny so anyway arcane anyway i would press on with after that really cool intro well i i like the opening conversation it's uh again like just taking advantage of the dialogues you've got um katlyn immediately says i knew it was a mistake to trust you and then vi basically just says the same in reverse like fucking trust you either and then she's like well you walked us into two of silco's traps and she says this one isn't silco we'd be dead already if it was and she just goes oh very nice what were you gonna tell me about your lunatic sister i just i just like that katlyn so straightforward at this point she's captured so well she's got nothing to lose sick of it yeah and then uh instead of answering that vi is just like oh yeah what what the fuck's the glowing stone and then katlyn's just like and she's like that's what i thought it's like yeah they both got things to keep for now there's no reason to give the problem is like katlyn didn't make it about the stone at all so it's just like yeah it's kind of true that i was here for more than i'd let on but i mean you know you're prisoner it's kind of hard to argue it's just like yeah okay fine we both thought bit a hundred percent honest um so yeah echo uh is introduced he's back he takes off the the the mask um and you're like oh yeah uh i feel like a lot of people would have guessed that was him at this point because even for the reason alone there's like where's that kid been the kid the white yeah that's he been i for a couple episodes when i when we got this reveal for a couple episodes i've been wondering is he gonna come back where's he because we're running we're running out of episodes here for him to kind of come back where it's what's he been up to now you know without his dad so what's what's happening here where are we get when are we gonna get him he has been here since episode four it's just that he's been messed up so as an avid echo enjoyer there's like slight aspects to his design or motifs of his that let you recognize him like for the first time we see him as the firelight leader he's got his stopwatch swinging around and a spoiler i guess in the game echo has time shenanigans um there's also the red scarf thing he has which he has in the game that was like clue number two and also the the kind of baton thing he has it's not the same one as he has in the game but that's the kind of weapon he uses that was actually what gave it to me i was like pretty sure echo has like a big sticky hits people with it looks rather like right build it's like i'm pretty sure that's echo i'm gonna give him the one he gets from the game because the one he has in the game is like the hand of a clock he stole from a clock tower in piltu neat feel like uh when you think about the fact that he had that clock is like right so there's a really cool example of uh incorporating an element that is more recognizable from like the original source material material ball material and then trying to contextualize it and not not put too much emphasis on it you know a little bit more indeed it is a stick like weapon uh so i meant the clock but the clock is a stick like weapon yeah it's a stick like weapon uh echo believes that vi is basically as evil as powder and um he assumed he just explains that yes like so you're working for silco and i love the from his pov there's plenty to sort of run with on that front but from vise pov that is such a fucking absurd claim she just says fuck you like i love that it's such a straightforward like why would you even suggest that you idiot like i of course i don't work for silco killed vanda like what the hell and it's just like well i don't know what's going on fucking jinx you know another thingy from the game the whatever it is he's keeping the gemstone in like heavily resembles his z drive from the game people don't know what that is yeah the z drive is his time travel device where's the z stand for i don't know xyme xyme damn it just yeah i got xyme travel um yeah he says that he's been following her since she's gotten out and uh he like refers to it as like what the fuck are you doing showing an enforcer around um the lanes like that's a problem and then she's just like you never talked to me at all like you always punch first and then he's like who'd i learn that from and it's like oh my man's demeanor has changed yeah she points that out growing up yeah because he says people change and it's like obviously referring to himself his theory is about vi and of course powder to jinx because dialogue well it's important for these characters as well because those formative years you know that they stand apart especially for echo he was a little youngster he really was and you get a big blast of that when uh she says you never used to stand up to me and then she manages to get i don't know how she got her cuffs off uh but she did yeah uh and obviously like he's and you still block with your face yeah it's like that one gangle up in her personal space and everything like jesus well yeah and and stay on a personal space no it's you stay on a personal space i like that when um i know that's contributing congratulations to the climb oh anyway is that a simpson's thing or plod me more plod me more you know what shackard hear that but you couldn't it came through on ob s we didn't go through on uh discord so shackard hear me clapping you but that's what that's oh i see okay i see i see i i believe you chat don't reveal the truth okay thanks anyway so yeah uh she like takes off the cuffs and uh as he's realizing from the sounds of it dropping he's like shocked because obviously this should be like oh shit we might have to fight and then she just hugs him uh which is which is a nice moment uh because of what we know about them from those earlier episodes which episodes one through three man are they important for just making everything that much more meaningful oh yeah uh where am i going here but yeah uh he's he's trying to maintain the fucking tough demeanor but the thing is she knows she's known him in a time where he was literally like a fucking i even know how old he was at the time i think he's the same age as jinx like overall and i think that's quite important as a moment for his character because like he is just a kid playing at gang boss like even if he's a very calm crime lord yeah kind of uh so yeah and advise like not gonna put up with that bullshit she knows who he is it's like oh good stuff and they you know it didn't even take that long for them to pull off that payoff if you consider the time in episode three compared to this but it's like it becomes that that meaningful uh so back over to singed and victor um and he just has some fucking glorious lines the favorite for me obviously being nature has made us intolerant to change but fortunately we have the ability to change our nature and it's like yeah all the things you can think about what he's referring to with that jesus and uh yeah victor says will it work on plants and said it's just like you'll not hear about the plants i know the look of a doomed man yeah and he says if you take this path they will despise you which is like then game fans just getting their giblets tickled you know i'm making my my giblets just talking about him because just everything he says there's so much to read into it but nothing to like it doesn't go anywhere particularly just yet other than like implied potential roots but he talks like he has a long and storied history like yeah he's been around full of wisdom but like not even evil wisdom just ruthless wisdom just evil wisdom he's the kind of person you'd want to be a sith lord instead of this cartoonish bullshit you get like someone who's like i'm not here because i like pain i'm here because it's the best way to achieve my goals um and yen he says uh love and legacy of the sacrifices we make for progress uh another great line is i really like that in terms of what it says about his priority wow it says exactly what his priorities are but uh just he is completely discarded the notion of like reputation and honor and glory it isn't it's entirely dedicated to science there's a comment about the ends that he believes important there's a contrast there as well with heimerdinger and victor to an extent because of the conversation those two had about legacy specifically yeah i think it was all about legacy well and in a sense heimerdinger maybe even sets up this point from singed being that he didn't disagree with victor and victor said i'll be forgotten and singed is saying sacrifice that and you can live sacrifice what being forgotten like it doesn't even matter you know like the legacy of victor right now doesn't mean a lot compared to being able to extend his life uh at least i think that's his pov and yeah singed actually makes reference to he says the that's why i parted ways with heimerdinger which means those two have a history as well and he takes the vial and says jace will understand yeah which you know you don't even need to know anything third party or any way just like hmm i wonder if that line will become more interesting as more seasons are made then we cut to jace who's doing buff big boy things holy moly he's got a big old body hammer boy hammer lord um yeah he's uh he's making something something something's up but uh mel comes along and she interprets his uh action here as one of essentially coping like why is he why is he so mad what's going on and he's like he's coping yes at first it's like oh because because you know the stress of being a leader the stress of all this stuff happening and then she's like no what is it really and he's like i betrayed my fucking boss and i was like yay they should have been acknowledgement of that good stuff um it's tough it's tough tough flumes i think he says he was his mentor and he betrayed him it's like i like that there's no attempt to you know a shield exactly what the action was he was successful it's all done now there's no point in lying about it it's like yeah i betrayed him and it worked and that sucks um and she says it's your time now jace no more red tape meaning he's essentially replaced timer dinga as they're all council members but one of them gets to be the head of the council and apparently that's him now yep which is kind of amazing considering where he started in this story yeah yeah uh but that hey he's got the he's got the he's got like some of the most insane leverage that yeah you would ever have um like hey i'm the person who put us on the map as a global shipping lane and i'm only just getting started so here have some actual magic yeah no she says in relation to him making more thorough decisions about what's happening next she says i'll stall the council in the meantime try not to lose your nuts holding a nut in your hand and um i saw people there was someone who said that that was like some of the cringiest dialogue in the whole show i really don't feel that way because i think this bell being a little she's being fun but yeah she's also referring to don't lose your resolve like you're on the right path don't think you're not because she's still manipulating him yeah she's literally saying don't lose your fucking conviction all right do not misplace your almonds jace exactly but she says it in a funny jokey kind of way uh which is probably indicative of how relationship is changing with him even even without the manipulation i think it's just kind of good advice because flip-flopping is uh not the greatest of moves yeah it's when you're in a position like this and it's definitely not a good idea when you're trying to do good the joke wasn't good though what joke it was hardly it was it was a joke really it's just a i don't even know yeah i don't even think i wouldn't elevate it to joke level it's more like like she's sitting in her in her chambers oh man he's really gonna love this oh he'd better love this oh my god it's a fucking banger jay's wait i really hope he he drops one of those nuts like she walks in and she sees it pull off like yes yes what if he doesn't and she just like while he's not watching knocks one off hateful oh don't lose your nuts yes he says it too quickly he's like what she goes uh it's uh yeah you drop this it was a thing in the moment it's fine you dropped it he's like oh nothing oh no um we find out that things are getting fucked by the bridge is closing and savika suggests that marcus is rolling on them or flipping and i think because silco does not want it to come across at all as though he's not in complete control of marcus he just says um no he's doing everything i told him to do um because it you know silco can't be sure of marcus he's already said that that's the case he can already tell marcus is waning here um but anyway he's like i gotta go find jinx and explain the fucks going on and savika says um i've got it more in common with cave lice than jinx but i didn't see eye to eye with my old man either and silco just goes and like it's it's such a like hey she just says he's really fucking done right now yeah he's so in a fucking mood and she says she'll come to you when she's ready and he's like all right uh but the the kem baron has scheduled an assembly so that's an unexpected line from savika i think she'll come to you when she's ready like savika um but it's just like i wonder why did you say that what a hmm like i know why she said it but like why like she would the does she have any past experience with wayward children does she have so what why are you offering this insight you know so the the line she says after it is that she'll come to you when she's ready that's what she did with her dad right i mean yeah maybe i if so i can't remember i just no no that is the line she says she'll come to you when she's ready in reference to jinx to silco because she said that's how she used to deal with her dad that oh gotcha gotcha gotcha all right it's it's two fold of like a genuine piece of advice coming from probably a place of compassion and also can you stop thinking about jinx for like five seconds we have business yeah and i think that when you give the show maybe a rewatch as well you can get on the first time around savika is just more than muscle um but she's mostly treated as muscle by everybody um and i i honestly think they're going to elevate her to the leader and in season two is a really good chance of that happening yeah i i mean we're getting to it but her interactions with the mob bosses and i i really like savika uh savika as a character she's kind of one of my favorites so then we got it's like that archetype rough that rough archetype done in a really awesome and interesting way yeah uh so let me get a jinx scene i'm a fan of these scenes and it opens on a shot of a little fly thing a little green fly thing in her workshop um which i think not exactly you know we we'd be planting those flags but it seems like they're in her workshop you see more of them as time goes on as well it's just like sort of a through line happening here interesting another flag yeah done did get planted so what is happening in this scene fly things on her desk this is this is a scene to me that i think a lot of people could be like ew that was just a holly quinn scene and it's like gotta pay more attention all right so this scene is jinx trying to figure out what the fuck just happened and it is entirely chaotic this whole scene is fucking chaos um talking to milo is is giving her all kinds of shitty advice and she's aggressively trying to figure out what the fuck happened um you're saying i didn't lose her they took her and uh i think you hear a whisper saying she's it with an enforcer you saw it remember her name yeah and jinx says she was there for me and then yeah when they say remember her name she's like why would i remember her name she's a stupid top sider and then there's a pause and then she says katlyn she finishes off stapling up her wound and laughing like a maniac also when that's the thing it's like we've got that that is the scene but there's just a little other thing going on in here that i absolutely love yeah i think i know what i think why like might it be the same thing i'm thinking that why i showed you and j specifically this because it's something that i love about this scene so she's um she's got big big old insecurities about being weak that's a there's a big thing for her alongside all the abandonment stuff but this scene we're doing that again um she's got a wound to fucking fix she grabs a little staple gun i'm gonna show it now hang on just uh oh careful for copyright i'm seeing it so she grabs it up loads it god damn it sorry folks this is awkward and scuffed but that's the way i have to do it looks at herself gets it ready it's all angry and flimpy um i don't know just just just saying random words to give a bit of a gap there we go does the first staple and looks at herself in the mirror she's fucking hurt in pain that's that and then you see her look back in frustration at the at the wound like fuck like she looked at herself in pain and then look back annoyed because that's weakness obviously yeah um she does the second one and again in pain like it's hard to ignore the fact that this fucking painful uh put copyright up again and then looks again at the window like like it's the reverse this time like she knows she's in pain and she looks at herself to confirm it like it's like she's constantly aware of how fucking