Start the evening. It is Monday, October 2nd. It's the Moretown Select Board here at the shop. We've got Robin online, otherwise the four of us board members are here. Looking for general public comments and not seeing anyone here for that. We'll move ahead to Sherilyn Brown, who's coming to share with us the employee health insurance. So, we've been recommended to go with the same plan that we have now. The rates are lower than MVP and not only that, but we continue to get a reimbursement. And I just got notified today that we're getting back $9,860.67. So, it basically covers the 11.3% increase, which is $10,650. So, well, it's a $1,000 difference. So, I'd like to ask the board if they would make a motion for me to go ahead and sign these and send them off to Craig. What would you do as comparisons? I'll make that motion. If we renew the health insurance, we'll be across. Say a second. Sherilyn, so there's no changes with coverage for anyone across the board? Not everything will stay exactly the same. Everything will stay exactly the same? I was pretty impressed with this. It's nice that the savings circle and the employees being healthy people is nice. Is there any other discussion? I have your permission to go ahead and sign these. Not yet. Let me hold a vote. All on the paper vote aye. Aye. Now you can go ahead. Thank you, Sherilyn. Do you have a copy of that? What's that? You have the blue card. Thanks. You want that one you can have? All right. Now we're waiting for Ray to get online. Ray is supposed to get online to bring us up to date on the stormwater project. It's just wait a couple minutes and if not you can go ahead and get reports, communications. I don't want to get too into stuff because we've got Dave. And then we have other guests at seven o'clock. Use text to look up. Angela, how are you? Good. How are you, sir? Well, thank you. How can you do it without me? I look at the top. How are you? Not too bad of yourself. Not too bad. I'm truly sorry that you guys and God need to be burdened with this because we can handle this. The only thing that I asked last select for it was, please have Richard Valentine and me going and you okayed it. And we got a report. Well, you got it. I accepted you guys. Yeah. You know, I don't understand this. We are here for, what's the word for it? For your diplomacy. Yeah. You've seen the thing. Why don't you hold on and go because we're on the agenda for seven. I don't want to get into the discussion because that way it will come in. Yeah. Because this is being videotaped.  We will, good. We like diplomacy. That's what we're all about, diplomacy, right? We deserve a job. All right, Ray is getting on here. So we'll admit him. So Ray is going to give us an update on the stormwater project. You guys want to look out the window? Certainly. It looks pretty nice. Hey, Ray, how are you tonight? Hey, Ray. What did you do to yourself, Ray? Oh, no. I took a. I went to. Went to a football game or a Syracuse over the weekend. Was walking to the stadium and just. Caught my foot on a bad piece of sidewalk and did a bad tumble. Oh, wow. Yeah. So you see the. No, missed that game completely, but we were able to go to the bills game yesterday. But yeah, we missed the Clemson Syracuse game. They went, I was in the emergency room at the university. That's too bad, right? How you feeling? Okay, though. Yeah. Yeah. It was a little bit scary.  I thought I tore my 10s into my fingers, but turns out they were just dislocated. So. That they had to stitch them up and stuff and. You know, it's just one of those freak accents. Yeah. 40 million years construction and I never, never been in emergency. I'm just walking, walking around. It gets you. Right. Oh, well, could be worse. Right. I'm glad you're well around the mend anyways. Thanks for joining us. I don't know if you've been over here, but the project looks, looks real nice. It looks like they're almost complete. I'll go ahead and let you have the floor and let us know what's going on. Yeah, so. As you know, the weather has been pretty dry the last few weeks and that has turned things around a lot for the contractor. I did not get over there today. He was supposed to finish up around the school and we're going to have a kind of like a final walk through before he does the final seating. Sometime this week, so. He's supposed to start on the last bit of drainage. You know, this week by the Browns, he's supposed to get that starting tomorrow. So, you know, it looks like, you know, within the next two weeks, he'll pretty much be done over here. I didn't have a question is John, John's there, right? He is. So there's a light. There's part of the project was doing a sidewalk up next to Park Park and there's a lilac tree there that. It's going to have to be moved or cut. I'm thinking. We'll try to move it. Away from the sidewalk. That's okay with you. Which, which. As you're coming up the driveway on the left hand side. Okay. There's a lilac. It's, you know, there's supposed to be a part of the project is like a walk and it's only a gravel sidewalk, but it's supposed to be putting a sidewalk in coming in. And the lilac tree is, is right, right there somewhere. I didn't go or take a look at it, but they, they sent me a text and there's a lilac tree that it's in the way. Okay. So you said moving moving it or. Yeah, just to relocate it. Okay. I think while I treat as far as I know. Pretty, pretty good as far as transplanting. Reloading. Yeah. Yeah. So I did want to bring you up to a little bit on the FEMA stuff. It looks like. You know, the crew is pretty well along as far as the. Getting the roads ready for winter. Mostly what's left to be done is a resurfacing part. Some things that are going to be carried forward in the next year is going to be the, you know, the large culprits. We got two on Ward Brook and. And one up by Sean said. Are going to require us to get an engineer involved and get it.  You know, And I talked to FEMA regarding that and. And they have. You know, direct me to get that RP out. So I'll be, I'll be doing that this week. And the same with the lovers lane. Slide over there. We'll have to get an engineer to. To help us out as far as the final. Mitigation on that. We'll be doing that. We'll be doing that. We'll be doing that. Sometime they won't be till. For another month, unfortunately, but it'll be done before the snow flies. So pretty much you'll have a one lane road. On lovers lane for the winter. That would be. Accessible for plowing at least with the Dodge Ram. But probably not the, you know, the big trucks. You know, I don't know if it feels okay with that. I think that's, that's about the best we can do at this point. The answers of getting repaired. Getting a design and repaired. Before the snow flies right now are. Pretty slim.  You know, I've been working meet with FEMA every couple of weeks. We got a meeting coming up next Friday. Yeah, there's this October 24th deadline, but that's basically the deadline is for identifying. The work and not necessarily having all the work completed. Priced out. It's not a, it's like, it's not a final. Okay. Everything has to be done with this point. We just need to make sure that they know everything that. We have in mind that needs to be done. And I think we're pretty close to that point. As far as identifying our. Any flood damage. So. That's. Yeah, that's, that's about it. And if there's any other questions. That's just want to make sure you understand that there is. There is going to be some work going forward to into next year. FEMA work. I think it's going to be, it's either 80 or 90%. I think depending on where it falls as far as mitigation, but it could be 90%. But I will get that. Identified for sure. I mean, these projects that probably. I don't even know if, you know, possibly even going on a little bit further than that, but hopefully if we get to engineers and. Get these color designs and get them out for bid. I think the FEMA funding is going to be. It's either 80 or 90%. I think, depending on where it falls as far as mitigation, but I think it's going to be 80%. And the projects that probably. Between 2 to 300,000 dollars apiece. So you're looking at, you know. Over a million dollars and four projects would be. 1.2 million dollars. So. We may have to spread, we may have to spread them out. You know, I don't know, but at least. We'll hopefully have a design. Yeah. Someone had a question here, was that Dave or Angelo? Yeah, I got some people, as the comments have been asking me, if I attended one meeting, and at that time, they didn't have security site. This is for the wastewater? No, no, no. No, this is for all the stormwater work that was done. Oh, OK, this is a flood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that's OK. Robin, do you have any questions at all? No, Ray gave us a pretty good update. That sounds great. Nice. Yeah, Ray, I think it's nice to hear it doesn't sound like we need to do anything other than the guardrails at Lover's Lane. At least for this winter. Right. At this point. Because I know at one point. There may be some surfacing surface work, putting down some plant mix. But that, I think, is going to be it. All right, so Ray is the Lover's Lane. So the guardrail is going to move it in the road. So it makes it one way. That's correct. Yeah, yeah, that's correct. Right. Basically, we're trying to get as much road as we can. Right. But the other option was to put some Jersey barriers. But we're very concerned about the weight of the barriers on that. Yeah, yeah. I think this is the best way to go. And the final project, the final project will be new guardrail.  That's great, Ray. Thank you for the updates. Continue to, you know, to let us know what's going on. And the project here does look good. I think they're doing a good job. It'll be nice to see them finish up really soon. Yeah. OK. Ready? You guys, what are you with me, Dr. O'Neill here? All right. I hope you're hearing this. Well, Ray's on there. I just wanted to mention to the board that he's done such a tremendous job out here, including all the meetings that we have. He runs the meetings really well.  Keeps everybody in check on everything, too. Well, that's probably higher than that. We knew he was good, so. Again, thanks, Ray. That's, what's the name of this business? A1 Consultant. Non-Point Consultant. A1 Non-Point, something like that, right? Ray Washburn. Well, thank you, Ray. We appreciate it. All right, bye-bye. All right, so Dave looks like we're moving ahead a little quicker than we had timed on the agenda here, so it gives us a little bit more time. We've also been joined by Christian Mayer from CDRPC. So I think he's possibly, would you speak to them on the zoning issue? Yep, I invited him for tonight. Good. And we have Dave Stapleton. I was zoning in the, not I was zoning in the street. Where are you at, Ray? Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Never. Planning Commission's here. So Dave, we're going to talk about the zoning discussion and that's what Christian's here for. We had contacted CDRPC about perhaps what they could offer us if they can at all. So maybe why don't we start there? Christian, one of the, obviously Karen just recently got done, we are in the process of looking to advertise and hire a new zoning administrator. I know when you were here last, I mentioned that we possibly might need or we'd want to see if there was someone within your office that we could use. So you're on. Hi, thank you. So first of all, some things have changed in our office since I was visiting you, which is namely we will be losing Claire Rock as our senior planner in land use and community development. She really is the only person we have on staff with that kind of experience who could slip into this role. So that's certainly a big loss to the organization and obviously takes that option off the table. More broadly, if the idea of a shared staff member appeals to the town and more town, I think there's an opportunity for more discussion there. In that situation, we would hire someone as something like a shared zoning administrator or something to that extent. And then the towns who would like to participate in that program would then appoint that individual as their zoning administrator. We don't have someone like that on staff currently. I think if we probably located even just one other town that was in a similar situation to more town, we could probably figure out a way to move forward for that. The benefit in setting up a shared staff member like that is, one, we could probably figure out a way to give them full time. If not between a minimum of two towns that are interested in the position, CVRPC could pick up the rest of their calendar to fill out their schedule. But, I mean, the advantage is the flexibility that it would offer the town. We can get into the details on how that might work, but I think there's an opportunity there still to support more town in this process. So, to my understanding, Docsbury is looking for a zoning administrator. That is my understanding as well. Have you heard from Docsbury, Chris? Docsbury hasn't given me a call yet. Maybe I need to give them a call and see if there's, if this is something that might be interesting. Yeah, if that's something you want to reach out to, I'm certain I think that's something we'd be interested in them to think to. Yeah, I really like this idea and partly with the continuity, but it seems like getting somebody who's doing this full-time, even if it's not full-time for us, we'd really be positive. Yeah, I think if someone we could keep on relying on for a number of years, even if they have a full-time job with benefits, might be something that's more desirable for folks. So yeah, Chris, if you want to reach out to Docsbury and let them know that we would be interested in that, I think if there is some interest there, then we could move forward on exploring. Elizabeth, hearing from you, your thoughts on how that might work out. Sure, certainly I can try to track down maybe some of the agreements, the other regional planning commissions have used in setting up these kind of structures and kind of start with something and then we can figure out how to make it fit our needs. That sounds great. Dave, you were able to do that. Yeah, sure, great. All right, so yeah, we look forward to hearing from you, Chris, as soon as your schedule allows and you're able to contact Docsbury, then we can set up as a meeting with more than you and in that board if they want, probably meet it at some point as well and then move forward. And to make sure I understand you currently do not have a zoning administrator on staff. She's recently- That's correct. Yes. Okay. And I think we have had a little interest, someone who knew her did mention she might be interested. So we will continue to pursue that but for a long term I think if we could get a position, a full-time position between the two channels, that would be the ultimate goal, I think. Yeah, and actually I spoke with Karen, it's all that ZA recently left and you mentioned the, well, I think she brought up the idea of combining it with Docsbury and then I had suggested maybe working it through CVRPC so that there'd be one employer and she thought that would really make it more appealing to potential candidates and including the person she knows. Good. All right, so it sounds like we've got somewhat of a plan ahead of us. And we'll just, in the meantime, Dave and I will triage these things. Yeah. Should we forward, I mean, the email we got of the woman who was interested. I mean, I guess, Karen's friend. Yes, I think it was important to Dave, I think. I know, but should we? Oh really? We'll do it, I didn't see that one. We'll make, if it hasn't, I'll have to. Should we also share it with Chris that we're talking about? Chris, yeah, we can go ahead and let him know more. Maybe there would be something with the two towns. Exactly. This woman or this person who's interested. Oh, yeah, we will. Very good. Anything else that we should think about with Christian with that? I think thinking about your budget a little bit and having some numbers in mind. Probably a good place to start. Okay. But you probably, yeah, I mean, coming out of having a good idea, you probably have a good idea of what your hour would be today. Yeah, that's what we, when we hired Karen, we had done an analysis, I mean, we started probably 10 compilers in an hour, less than what we ended up with, but to find someone competent and able to do the job. I think we were between 30 and 35. Okay, because the way it would work is, they, you know, as an employee of the CBRPC, they'd have, you know, they'd have their salary, the fringe and benefits that we offer. And then we'd set up a unique system for this employee where they wouldn't have our overhead, which is we have a relatively high overhead rate currently. And that we'd be able to kind of get that out of the equation. But I think somewhere in the 35 range seems manageable. Yep, good. All right, that's awesome. Tom, how many hours were we paying Karen for? We were around 11, I believe. But based on her feedback, she didn't think that was really enough to get the job done. And so we might, as we're coming into budget season, you know, play around that a little bit. So I thought I should bring up something else and a lot of ideas, which I was playing to put that in the slide board sometime in the future, but this seems a bit propitious time. And that is potentially expanding the Zolian District's responsibilities so that she would take on tasks that sometimes are given to like a developed planner for the town or a town planner. And this idea came to me, and we talked about our planning mission now of our work on the ordinances last year. You know, we've made a lot of changes that make it possible for, pretty much anyway, it was in the family dwelling to make it into a new plan or just as a Zolian planner or expanded ADUs and that sort of thing. And to the extent that there's, I don't think people in the town if they weren't paying attention would know that, right? Right. Except they want to inform people that it would be nice to have somebody who's kind of a charger in doing that. Also, if there's a developer from somewhere interested or there's an opportunity available from the state that we should be paying attention to, this person could do it. I'll give you an example of that as you may have heard of this, but there's something called the Mon Housing VHIP, Housing Incentive Program, I guess, which the state legislature just passed in that home act and they are in the out grants to homeowners up to $50,000 to refurbish, build or upgrade an ADU provided that the ADU is used for somebody in a low income population and refugees, people coming out of homelessness. And I, you know, that's something that we, I'm actually thinking we would send something out on the first foot forum as part of the planning commission now, but it's something that this person would be on top of. You know, Karen was a great ZA and she was on top of a lot of things that the town needs to be paying attention to, so it means it's kind of a natural exception of what she was doing. So what we should do, or I've asked maybe you and the rest of the planning commission is maybe tune up the job description. Yeah. And if you were to add that as if we're trying to get, you know, a 50-50 job would move along to be, you know, in the 20-hour range anyways. And I think there's plenty of zoning to do but if we were doing a little other things as well that would benefit the town. Yeah, it seems like it wouldn't be hard to get up to $20, 20 hours a week if we had the budget for it. Yeah. I think we can certainly work with that. Kristen, that would work still with your mission as well. Yeah, I would think so unless there's another town that's calling for significantly more than 20 hours. But I wouldn't suspect if Duxbury is interested that they would want more than half time. Yeah, good, all right. So if you guys want to go ahead and work on that job description and then we can get that out to Kristen but let's all communicate as often as we need to to try to move forward as quickly as possible for you if we can. Sounds good, very good. Thank you, Kristen, for joining us tonight. I appreciate you taking the time. No problem, thanks for having me. Yep, all right. We either address the municipal planning grant. Yeah, why don't we go ahead and do that as well. So we want the town to apply for a municipal planning grant our current town plan expires in January and we actually started working on revising it a few months ago but we should have applied this grant a year ago and we really need to get the grant so we can get the revised plan and progress is still a lot to do and if because our town plan is expiring we will lose our ability to bid on grants for other purposes unless we're in the process officially updating the plan. So the grant would serve that purpose as well. I've been talking to CVRPC, they'll actually write the proposal for us and it was quite ironic who was the main person I was talking to. They've hired somebody new that she was training and she was there to utilize something.  But anyway, the clear thing is we need about $20,000 and that would be mostly spent on a consultant who would do a lot of work and she did not think that CVRPC would have to be able to provide that service that we'd have to get somebody independently from CVRPC but there is a matching requirement of 10% so that for $20,000 it would be 2,000 and it could be spread out over two years so it would be 1,000 a year for two years. So in order to get this applied to this grant we would have to have a signed form which Tom has and it needs to be completed and approved by the select board that we can submit along with the grant itself. All right, so I was, John will make a motion here in a moment that after that we will sign off and then do you need this back day or is this something that Sasha needs to work on? Yeah, I would say Sasha probably if she could submit it formally to, and we would probably transmit it to Clare and Eli for a reason, they would just include it with the grant. With the grants, more of Sasha and Cheryl and with Cheryl in the deals with the grants. Don't do that. All right, so you're signed off. Yeah, they were instructions that I gave you with it which tell you that it needs to be somebody, I imagine Cheryl Lynn was gonna be in there as the administrator for the town. I'll make the motion then that we go ahead and sign this resolution to apply for municipal planning. Second, any further discussion? All good everyone, all in favor go and aye. Aye. All right, so I'll sign that and pass it on again and make sure it's done. Okay, and I still owe somebody their budget for next year should I put all of this into it or half of it into it or something else together? Yeah, why don't you actually, Cheryl Lynn will take care of that part of it. Yep, we'll clear that one out. But Dave, thanks. We'll be in touch with the zoning but anything that's coming in now so you're getting emailed. Oh yeah, I'm getting a lot of them. I haven't done anything with them but there are some that can be easy to attend to I think but I'm not sure what to do. So what, is that something you wanna take a look at or should we have them sent to the office, have Sasha triage them? I think that might be better. I'm not that aware of that. Okay, and then we have different board members who, depending on what it is, because some of it's just statute tells you that it's within 15 days, at least recognize it or tell them they don't have a complete permit or a complete application. So if you send that stuff on to Sasha and then we'll clear that out between me, you and Robin and we'll figure out what to do on these inquiries. I know probably capable of addressing some of these emails and have to do that if I need to do that. I don't want to be the organizer. All right, we'll have Sasha be the organizer and then make some things that we may pass off to you. That's just more appropriate. Thank you, Dave. Before Dave goes, can we just, you know, not that we might pick a date right now, but to keep on our radar that we wanted to plan PC and SB and meet to talk about legal trade. Trade on drugs and units. You know, just to have our brainstorming session to get the topic on. Yeah, that's, I think that would be good. So let me say that I do think it fits in with our work on the town plan. We are, you know, back on, we are, we have already started with some mapping activity and the state has been developing a map of the whole state that differentiates between areas about the desirable, you know, high environmental value areas where we shouldn't build because of, you know, flooding or wetlands. And areas that would be good to develop. All areas that are good for agriculture, right? So they're doing this whole thing. They're about to hand it off to reach some of the regional plan conditions. And then the regional planning commission is supposed to review their region, possibly providing them feedback, make changes, but they're also supposed to pass it off in towns. And so we're gonna get this thing, right? So we, what we want to do with the town plan is see how those maps overlay our current zoning districts, probably others and all that, and then develop, in the plan, recommendation ideas for preserving areas that we think ought to preserve or developing areas that we think should be developed and that kind of stuff. And I think legal trails, what we do with legal trails is very relevant to that. Yeah. So yeah, we need to keep that discussion going. Don, he's brought it up a couple of times. We all agree it's, you know, a couple of times a year or at least that we have people coming in with questions about it. I also think that the other thing is that my, my vision for wanting to move people to travel. Getting them in here before I take the taxi is a good idea. Well, the thing is we're gonna come in at the holidays. So, so we'll, and then the next thing you know, it's January, February, and it's budgets and getting ready for the town meeting. So, I don't know, you know, there's a, you know, when there's a time we can all say we'll, you know, have a half hour brainstorming at one of our select board meeting, I guess, would be the, maybe our second select board meeting in November. It ain't no. That's, is that doable for you? Probably, I will, it's November 16th, I can let them know when it's 20th. 20. 20. That would be November 20th. Yes, okay. Pre-holiday. Right. Something to digest over the holidays. All right, so let's try to think for that. You can now, we'll bring our food in for the members, so everyone, that might get people to come, right? Who's that going to sit? All right, thank you, man. Jar, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so we'll sign this. They may be there. A couple of us that need to sign this up, but if you want a meeting, why don't you take a look at what that would be? There's me and, there may be two select board members, if you just want to look at that, but make sure. All right, we are moving right ahead. It's 636, and... Is there any more of this committee coming in? They are not, come on. They decided they needed to postpone, for whatever reason, I wrote it here, I didn't get a text with the phone, so that was all right. So our next discussion we have, all of the McMullins are not here yet, so why don't we wait for them, because we were on the docket for seven, so they were probably doing that. So why don't we skip ahead to report some communications? Sasham, I'll start with you. After the last meeting and when we talked to Don, I need to have a motion to officially accept Gilson's serving. Oh, Gilson's serving, yeah. Or what, it wasn't, still wasn't, what? Technical motion made for it. In the last meeting, that's what John corrected you, right? Not with Gilson. Yeah. Rather made the motion to use 2,500 or the 4,000 member grant to go towards the survey for the Town Hall and the 10-14 event, so I'm seconded and all were in favor. I guess you didn't name, so I guess maybe naming that, possibly. Oh, towards the. To say Gilson. Oh, towards the Gilson survey, got that in that sentence right there. Go ahead, just make a new motion to the. Because when the arc, these are open and then their decision is made, that's happening. All right, well, now, since it was Robin, but we can say John, I'd like to make a motion to use 2,500 or the 4,000 member grant to go towards the Gilson survey for the Town Hall and the 10-14 event. Yeah, we can get a second on this. I'll second that. John, seconds, any discussion on this? All in favor of a ride? All right. All right. All right. Thanks, mom. Yeah. What did you email from, what's your last name? Sybil Westsinger. That's pretty good. Thanks. She would like to be appointed to be the alternate delegate for Stevie Fiber, her son, Sam Rosenberg, who's actually designing. She would like to be appointed to that position. So moved. Second. All in favor? All right, all right. At this point tonight, I've got a request for Charles Davis to do that. I'll do that, we'll do that at the end so we don't have to kick people out because we need to go to executive session for that. And then I had a question on our holidays. A couple of the area towns are closed for an indigenous day and that's not on our list. And I was wondering if we could add it overnight. Indigenous day. Well, that's what I was saying. Previously called. Yeah. Oh, that's on a holiday. Is that a state holiday? I don't think so because I believe. Well, I know, no, with us, I believe we train and did battle with Bennington and said. Oh, is that what it was for Columbus Day? I think so. Because the state did battle with Bennington but not Columbus. But that's what I vaguely remember. Let's look into that. What was that? Yeah, I mean, that's just next Monday. Oh, I know. I mean, so we wouldn't do this year anyway. But, yeah, I mean. I don't know what the state does. The state doesn't. The state isn't, it's not federal all of that. And the state has to build policy in Columbus Day, favorite indigenous people's day. But it doesn't say it's a state holiday. You know, I think schools are closed.  I don't know what's going on there. I know some states celebrate, but yeah, I don't know. Why don't we do some research into that and we can, I mean, that would be a fairly big policy change, honestly. So that would be something that we would, we'd do the policy change when we college on, we usually do it right after March meeting. Right, right. If we want to change the holidays and things like that, we'll do some research, yeah. About in the meantime, we'll do some research. Yeah, see, I mean, if it's a state holiday, it's clear. But I don't, as John mentioned, you kind of think, didn't, can they chose better to battle there? Being anxious to know if schools are closed, though. They are closed. Well, this one is closed. Yeah, well, they are closed. Well, it's a state of the state. Oh, that's the state of the state of the state. Yeah, how would you district it closed? What about program? In this room? No, no, no, you working on that? Absolutely not. Oh, okay. We have it all. Okay, all the time. But we don't get Martin Luther King Day, Juneteenth, Battle of the Benning today. Right, so there's... But we have the day after Thanksgiving all the time, so it's a tough stuff. But yeah, no, we do have this off, because I don't, I think it's Columbus Day and President's Day that I have often shown as killer. Yeah, that's how it was last year. Yeah. But now, we have them. Any else on? Yes, a lot of those ambulance sent me another invoice that we... Yeah, so we had made a commitment to them was that it's probably a year ago, and we're at the end of the front. Let's go ahead and send them the money. Dude, we discussed that last year, didn't we? We thought we'd talk about it. A lot of very heavy loads, you know. And I think we have, in our select board, there's anyone I have on our side of our most recent budget report, and I was thinking we had the money that we had in the select board's... Yeah, discretionary fund that had come there. So we have a thousand in that. I don't know what has been taken out. How long do we start there? I'm on screen to check in. We had a couple other funds in there. I think we'll have plenty of money to do it. Is that all right with everyone? Yeah, we need to get it from somewhere, right? A free rail line, that John had come back in. So free rail line, we never made how much of a commitment we'd be going to get to those guys. I think we decided, we talked about it. We did look into it from Wakefield getting 10,000, Warren getting 1,000. I don't know. What do you think? We're gonna use some of the hopper funds, right? Possibly, we talked about that, but I think we may have enough other money in the budget for 2,500 or less, what do you guys think? I would say 1,000, because that's what Warren's talking about. 2,000 won't be appropriate. And I was gonna say 2,500, so it went all on the board. I mean, they're really providing great services now, you know. I'm gonna buy them for whatever. I think they're providing you a good service. I don't think we, I don't think we'll be able to do that. Because I'm, you know, I don't think we, I don't know. All right, 2,500. 2,500, in the basis of, in the future, if they want to get on the town, get the signatures petition. So I guess I'll make the motion then that we donate our free reeling $2,500 this year and going forward, they would be treated like any other organization and submit a petition. Is that okay? All in favor? All right. All right. And they, the reason I appreciated doing that, John, is they actually had a couple of the petition last year. That's right. And then there was confusion of our part whether our funds are not. So they've got to do the work for it and probably get voted in. So Sasha, anything else from you? Thank you. All right. So why don't we move on or move back or up to our seven o'clock discussion? We've got Bob and Ben. Thank you for coming. So we'll go back or start the discussion of the Commons Unit 25 discussion. If you guys before, if you want y'all to pull up around the table, you want to move to your right, if you don't mind. Here, and let's see. I didn't see you every four times. Sasha likes to stay out of the camera view. Whatever you want to see. Just pull right up the table. We'll be a few, if we can squeeze in, we're all friends. So I'm going to go ahead and ask you once more just if everyone can introduce themselves to the camera. Our audience, we have Robin Campbell, our fifth member of the Select Board that's at home on Zoom tonight. So let's make sure we speak loud enough for him. My name is Peter Rinaldi. I'm on the Board of Directors. Cut the comms. Right. Angelo. Napolitana. Angelo Napolitana. Right. And you're on the Board as well. Unfortunately, I was the president. The president, sometimes we say that. No, no. Beverly McMullen. How you doing, Bob? Right. So I guess, Angelo, it was you that requested the meeting. I'm going to wait until Beverly speaks. Okay. It was a weird one. She requested the meeting. And I came to be in the defense of the Condor Association. The Board has everything. The Select Board has everything. All right, then, so go ahead. Okay. Thank you for having us here this evening. We appreciate your time very much. We, I think Mr. Napolitana was here on September 5th, asking Mr. Valenzanetti to attend, to go with him to exact on the crawl space under the building in which we own the condominium at the Commons condo. And that inspection, which I believe you have a copy of, Mr. Valenzanetti's report, was carried out on September 20th. Okay. Prior to that, just to give you a little bit of background was this has been an ongoing issue since it was, we were informed by our tenants that our hot water heater was rusty at the bottom. He had no evidence that it was leaking into the apartment. But he said he thought it looked like it was probably needed to be replaced. That was on April 6th. On April 7th, we called Kevin Bienz, licensed plumber, and he replaced the water heater on or about April 30th. Then we had, in May, a prospective buyer looked at the apartment and they ordered a home inspection report by Adam Cotton of Cottonwood Home Inspectors. Mr. Cotton examined the crawl space as well as the interior of our unit and he found several deficiencies underneath regarding the fact that our water heater apparently had been leaking and perhaps also the bathroom fixtures. Okay. So at that point, we decided that obviously needed something needed to be done and we called a number of different people to get opinions and proceeded to, according to Mr. Cotton's report, he discovered potential mold issues under the unit. So we talked to, and then at that point, the board of directors asked for a copy of the inspection report, which I provided to them. And they subsequently, according to the information report, had Joe Gattari, who was doing work for the association, go under the unit and he took pictures and they had him. I'm not sure if it was the board's decision or Mr. Gabbari's decision to remove the foam that was covering the four basement window wells and apparently at some point, Mr. Gabbari didn't do it, but someone had also a fan down there at one point to try to increase air circulation to prevent more mold from developing. And so Mr. Gabbari, I'm going to read, I passed out the promise there, which you can keep. Mr. Gabbari did have a conversation with me and during that conversation, he thought it would be a good idea to have a mold assessor come to take samples and determine what type of mold if any was there. So we contacted Twin States Systems, which is a remediation company that does that type of work and they recommended a mold assessor. His name is Wesley Carpenter and we made an appointment. We notified the board of directors that we would like to have access to the crawl space for the purpose of having Mr. Carpenter examine it or take samples. The board denied us the access to the crawl space for that purpose and said that if Mr. Carpenter went there he would be trespassing and that we should cancel the appointment. We did not cancel the appointment because we wanted to speak to Mr. Carpenter and he did come. He drove all the way from Hinesburg. We told him in advance he would not be allowed to go under the building. But he came and spent probably 20-25 minutes talking to him and getting some advice from him. What he would have done was he would have taken samples if he found mold or suspicion of mold and sent them to a lab and that would be at our expense it would be $300 in order to get a report as to just exactly what was there or not. And subsequently with that because we knew that there were potential leaks under the building we also called Kevin V. Adams who is our local licensed plumber to come and also correct whatever might be leaking there. He also was denied access to the crawl space by the board of directors and we were told that only he could only come within four walls of our apartment. So subsequently we did not have Mr. V. Adams come because we felt if a plumber couldn't go or leaks were, how was he going to fix them? And just to set the tone for this, right back in the beginning on July 21st which was right after Mr. Cotton had examined the property on July 17th I sent an email to Donna Stackhouse who was a member of the board asking if you were the fact that the sale of our unit failed due to the consideration of the crawl space condition of crawl space I would like to contact the owners of the other first four units could you please send me the names and contact information for them. And I get a message back from Donna saying the board has considered your request and has decided that it's not appropriate for you to address your situation with other owners. So I'll go ahead and read the information that I've given you so that you can keep it. There will be a copy for the secretary as well so you don't have to take notes over there. So you'll have to take notes on this. On September 20th the Wartown Health Officer Richard Ballantinetti made an inspection of the call space under the Wartown Commons Building 84 units 23 to 30 it reports that Rott and Whitemole were found in the call space under unit 25. As suggested by Joe Gaboray we had attempted on August 29th to have a bold assessor Wesley Carpenter evaluate the call space situation that we're told by the HOA to cancel the appointment that he would be trespassing and he went there. We had offered to pay the cost $300 or so of evaluating samples and in addition amount to conduct remedial work as required. We contacted both Twin State Systems and another company Northern Basement Systems and received the same verbal opinion from both that the call space needs to be closed up and dehumidifier and possibly an air exchanger installed. Brad Cook whose son Sean owns unit 27 is an energy efficiency expert and he expressed the same opinion that opening up the call space and allowing more moist humid air in was not the best way to correct the situation. And I'll interject here that I did have several conversations with Mr. Gaboray including one this evening and of course he reiterated his opinion that opening up the windows to allow fresh air in was the best solution and in fact he was opening up windows underneath another building this week I believe. So we have had a couple of opposing opinions on that. We also requested the license plumber to be able to repair whatever was leaking in unit 25 and I explained that I didn't have to go through that. So the next sentence we have been impeded from correcting the call space problem and are being held hostage and being able to move forward in marketing our unit because now two months since a home inspection report by Adam Cotton identified a problem and the delay in allowing us to proceed and correcting it has probably only made the situation worse. We are here to ask that Mr. Valentinetti request that all A board of directors allow us to have access to the call space so that tests and examinations conducted by qualified operators at our expense can be made in order to determine exactly what the corrective measures need to be taken and proceed with such corrective actions. Thank you. That's just another comment. I'm terribly sorry once again that this select board has to hear this. Let me start from the very beginning of all of this. This woman is on board. She knows how a board operates. I came out to make a decision. Donna Stockhouse came out to make a decision. Eager came out to make a decision. John can't make a decision without the entire board's approval. The same way John can't make a decision or Callie can't make a decision without the entire board's approval. Now yes, they did request and we said we would give it some thought. The request was this day and we got it this day without even the board coming back and saying yes or no or let us think about it. Now Beverly knows how that board operates because she was on board. Now where the board takes umbrage is she started going to different board members single emails. I have them all here. I don't want to bother you with it. Rather than get the entire board's approval trying to go from this one to this one. So let me address also the air exchanger. Let me address the dehumidifier. I talked to the commissioner of fire on a very long period ago and I also talked to Hugh who takes care of this area Bob Stanoble to run wire. This is a 200 foot cross piece. So what they would want to do is plug in 100 foot wires. That's a fire hazard. Okay? Cross. It has to be monitored daily. Who is going to do that? Even if the board gave me okay. Now at the last age away meeting that we've had Beth and Bob were able to discuss this with the people there. Oh I forgot. This quote cotton this quote inspector we turned him into the state licensing department because he started to tell people in the quads you need to evacuate because they're deadly black mold. This is what and this isn't even for report as Alperas's report. Okay? How would you like an inspector? Because I was there he came out of the hole banging on your door. Now you have to leave Tom black deadly mold. I have a brochure from the state of Vermont produce no such thing as black deadly mold. I'll leave it with you if you want. The only thing I have ever said to the McDonald's is what are you going to do about your rock? It needs to be taken care of what are you going to do? However she's fixated on the crawl space. Richard and I went into crawl space followed run until we get under units 25 which is bad about too bone drive the previous property manager Mike Lorraine blew in insulation on every window well in the complex and it needed ventilation. So Joe was working on it on the screen stuff and stuff like that and I want to give in a minute here Joe Gavri speaks for Joe Gavri he does not speak for the comments okay? So in order to get anything accomplished on the comments anybody I don't care who it is including myself because I had a bathroom window put in I went to the board and I wrote it out and they okayed it now I don't do abuse of power I came here several years ago to ask you guys to help out with Joe and the guy is living large now as a matter of fact this man right here bought Dale's unit living large got into it excuse me, it's my car right? she bought him letters which he never owned he handed them to me he said would you please tell this stuff like that so you know it does it I don't mean to sound like a wiser okay when I'm with myself the five of you have no authority after that this unit is nothing like Dale Dellers nothing as a matter of fact I even put in writing to her and Bob, sell it as is at least you may think so sell it as is she got offended she wrote it as wow being offended so you know I think the thing is is that she wants to go with it you got Richard's you got it you got to report if he had saw anything he would have put it there am I not correct? am I alright thank you so the inspection reveal with pictures as well as text commentary that the inspector saw not only pooling the water from appliances coming the floor but the rot and roll only under that unit nowhere else so there's several places where the water is coming down it has obviously wrecked the sub floor it's been going on for years with the amount of damage there's there so the HOA is going to fashion a letter and send it to them and ask them to make the necessary repairs and to submit a plan to us as to what their repairs will be because we believe they're going to have to tear up their sub floor the plywood and the foreign above it and get in underneath the sub floor and look at the leaks that are caused by her and their appliances and repair those leaks they may need new fixtures but they're going to need a new sub floor and so we're going to send them that letter with the idea hopefully they will make the repairs necessary that are required but it's not a question of just mold it's a question of gears of destruction from water seeping from many appliances when you toilet top dishwasher sinks and they've all done tremendous damage there is no other damage in any other unit in that building just that that unit so they probably weren't aware until the leak came up of the recent hot water heater of the damage that had been done but now that we recognize there's so much damage at some of the unit they're going to have to repair so we're going to send them a kind letter asking them to submit a plan to the HOA to fix this mess see let me say this in that squad okay that building there's a condo here condo here condo here in the McDonald's condo a condo above the guy's living with his fiance or what he turned off all the water he drained the hot water heater okay flipped all the switches this condo, this condo is above the storage room okay nowhere near okay so the only thing that is leaking right there is Beverly and Bob's um pipes okay now I've never told her she couldn't have Kevin Viennes or whatever his first name is go into the unit you don't need to go down I can and I don't know what I'm doing tell if a hot water pipe is leaking it's leaking it'll be right on the surface now if I was told this at the last HOA he can bear witness well it came from the guy upstairs well if it came from the guy upstairs why isn't your ceiling stating that I didn't say it came from the guy upstairs I never said that we've heard from both sides here um I want to find out what I'm missing here because I'm a little confused it seems like we've got McMullan's on his side with the unit and they are they told us tonight that their unit a hot water tank and possibly other fixtures are leaking is that what you said I'm sorry there was a hot water tank and possibly your fixtures are leaking it's in Cotton's report so you've got and you're taking responsibility we've offered to pay for it and everything and on the other hand you guys are really sending a letter asking them to fix what they have told us tonight that they're trying to fix exactly you see the thing is I have been asking for the intent time give me something in writing well we need to fix the problem give me something in writing what you're going to do about the rock so we had to contact the condo's attorney right now I understand okay so this is one she should have it and every board member should have it because I sent it out just after this morning we received it and Peter said you know you possibly need to do the sub flooring and the flooring so wouldn't it be if you could go under rather than go down through the unit to get there wouldn't it be easier to allow access to the crawl space for them to according to Joe Galvary and he has told us three times you gotta go from the top down in this situation in every situation you don't go from the bottom up you go from the top down you start tearing out the floor you see how bad the rock is okay and then once you start doing that everything else falls into place but he told us three times okay and the thing is is that you don't fix that from the bottom up you fix it from the top down but don't you isn't it the goal here is to get this unit fixed right we don't want rotted floors we don't want appliances and you came in guys looking for diplomacy before you were here earlier they said they were coming in looking for diplomacy so what can we decide here tonight allow and I know you can't make decisions on your own you gotta bring this to the board but let's put some parameters here if the McMullins sent you the board a plan a plan on having I can't remember what it takes but Kevin as a plumber Vava as a carpenter the intent is to replace all flooring needed all appliances and drippy closets and access may be needed through the crawl space to assess or complete a project is that something that you guys want to throw together and it sounds like they would get it approved because we're all I think it's a win-win situation for everyone if you guys get the McMullins and they have said publicly here on record their foot in the bill they're not looking to push it anywhere else they're looking to fix the unit so they can sell the unit it sounds like you want a unit that's fixed that brings everyone's value up because you don't want junk there besides you want something good and they'll do something I think reasonably good better than what's there you know the thing is that ego will push people to do so stubbornness will push people to do so righteousness will push people to do so we have this young man over there from orbit okay when people see this and there's a two bedroom condo up there for $90 $198,000 I'm not going to buy it it's all around and you've got the people from the board that are stormy a lot of stuff doesn't go through time very well she has been on the board she knows how the board works okay so if she puts everything in writing according to the document she must have got sometime today okay that's all that's all I have ever asked what is the intent can I speak please we have 15 minutes we are the ones who applied to select where to come here and talk and Mr. Napolitano is taking way more time than we should have because this is our time to speak right and I want to say alright Mr. Gavry never said to us that this was the way to do it he said excuse me Mr. Napolitano just stated that Mr. Gavry said to us three times the way to correct this was to go from the top down Mr. Gavry and you may call him and ask him never said that to us and some of the other again we don't need to get in there's a lot of nitpicky things and we need to move forward and we all for reasons that we don't understand sometimes we say things or do things and maybe we shouldn't regret them afterwards or maybe we don't but we can and that's why I think we got this solved all you need to do is forward this paper assessment that you got and the things you're going to do to the board here it was written publicly said that's what they want and they want to get a unit done you want to get a unit done there's nothing stopping us I don't think aside from egos and we got to drop those at the door and get it fixed and then move forward may I just speak to your conclusion? Yes you may thank you. In conclusion I wish to say that this is not a win or lose situation there needs to be cooperation and a good outcome we were not born in Vermont but we have lived here for 45 years and we have seen how people do business here we have never had a call a lawyer to represent us and we do not desire to do it now and I don't think there's any need and I think we were able to sit around and you know cooperation and again you guys it is it's not a win or lose it's a win-win situation you're going to be able to get the contractors in to do what you guys need to do Peter and the other people there are going to have a building that's not wet in the basement at this point or whatever is going on in there you were taking responsibility for your unit and what's happening and it sounds like we can move forward and work together That's all I have ever asked That's all I ever We don't even have to go there anymore we've got to decide and you guys the Mullins are going to present by the end of the week today's Monday by the end of the week send the HOA a letter requesting just exactly what we've said here and Peter sounds like he's going to be able to get it approved We'd be assured that we'll have free access Why are you asking him? You should ask the board in your letter Bob to the board asking us we need free access for our contractors for the period that they're working there and what it is plumber plumber general plumber contractor professional licensed people we've never received that cooperation in the past and we have no real guarantee that I think you're good I hope so I've dealt with Angelo before we have a good relationship Peter's new to the board here but until they step on their toes we're going to say you know what they're going to do the right thing and do what we've heard tonight and if not please come back again we don't have a lot of jurisdiction up there as far as what we can do but we will do what we can to help you which we have done tonight I hope it helped you, I hope tonight so everyone can go out of here feeling like they each get a little piece if you will Thank you so much We appreciate it Thanks Angelo Thank you You're always nice Thank you as well I'm making meatballs for this What is this thing? Is this Saturday to 10? You've got something to keep them warm? Yeah I love meatballs I was Well you know what between you and Don I'm trying Believe me we can put it away I lost the weight Don't say anything Thank you Don So we're just waiting on Don Yeah so if you've got something to keep them warm I think Don done because they're being sauce With your croffle Huh? With your croffle Tomato sauce Okay Alright So let's Don you all set?  Still hanging in here Alright So let's go ahead Sasha you were finishing your reports communications Miss Callie Are you working on I'm going to ask questions while we're moving on here The ATV thing Make sure that you're not forgetting that Nope we're still working on that Very good Robin what do you got anything for us? I got nothing Just you know an offer to help out On any of that zoning As I stated last meeting And as far as Communication and stuff like that It sounds like Sasha is going to be Gathering Right Still be gathering and then pushing it out Either you Dave or myself Okay Triage in do Okay Thank you for Volunteering for that And I met I did meet with Karen And kind of went through the whole process With her and kind of got up to speed On what she was working on At least a general Idea of what's going on Very general Not to be dangerous right Not enough to be dangerous now Okay Done What you got for us I seem to always have the most That's all right That's why we Farce the management plan wise Just to give you an update Mike Brown is working on You know some of the comments Their final draft And the next farce The management meeting is going to be on 10-17 And the whole business to eventually Move from that meeting Into a public forum To tell people You know bring people up to speed With what's happening so I'm not sure Is that would that be here It's like what we That's what we wanted to say If you have a special meeting I'm just going to select pretty mad I think it would be fine So that was just to give you a little update On that As far as the sidewalk Scoping study that I mentioned In the last meeting I would say The meeting got changed The monthly meeting is now on 10-13 It's a Zoom meeting that I have with Chris And Emily Lewis from The engineer So on 11-6 There'll be another update Meeting I guess 11 That would be out of select would be How to get members or people We'll get the word out And get people to Zoom in Or they can come to I looked into seeing if there was a way To hold it somewhere over In that neck of the woods in Northmoretown But I think it's probably just best To do it here and with Zoom So On the 10-13 meeting I'll get a better idea from Emily For her presentation and what time Or maybe I want to give them the time We can work around that Yep The road safety committee We're working on that The letter that we all approved Last meeting We're working on getting that posted On the French porch forum For people to be able to Review and sign electronically And I was going to talk to Sasha About having a copy here At the town hall That'll be referenced in the front porch forum Posting so that people can sign that And then Would we get together With Stefan Or with you Sasha To sort of For some of the data That the speed radar unit Puts out But need to coordinate Maybe with Stefan Where it could be located In the speed machine To sort of tie it into We thought we could tie it into With someone with the letter Is addressing So that then the state would see Some of the speeds that were So okay, but the stuff Does come through So the speed trail is down By my house now Last night there was a guy on a motorcycle He was I was going to go down and see Because he did it like five times And you know you'd go down I was frightened to hear it screaming No, I heard it Yeah, you can hear it And you would Heard of me going and by the time he's going By my house he's got to be doing 120 I have no idea It's crazy So I'm interested to see what kind of High speeds we have on that thing Yeah So that's that And then I know maybe Sasha was going to reach out I tried as a bike by On Pony Farm to see the folks Living at the corner to see about them Coming to a meeting I don't know But I tried to keep an eye out Just to say hello again And ask them There was a Tacoma right In the road what day was it Tuesday when I came there Like if you pulled down You would have had to go around it And just barely get in At the stop sign So Sasha I'm that Doing it As far as you know For John I guess maybe More appropriate Can we have those told What's the law on that What do we do to enforce it I mean I don't know I understand But how do we How do we stop that Wait a month until Wait a month until When it falls into winter Yeah I think Once winter comes I mean after we have They can't plow with it there So We should try to at least have One more reasonable conversation here I'm going to try I'll stop and When there's a vehicle there I'll stop and ask them To come to next week Next the 16th Next that next week Yeah It doesn't have to be Just come at six o'clock It's been a couple minutes Get them to understand We look at what I'm trying to be Jerks here but It's a safety issue Take responsibility And my last item is So On the town hall project I sent you all Some bullets on The benefits of using Construction manager And in that realm we Sent out an RFP We had three contractors Respond and came Through a walk through and then We dropped out so then we got Ending two pulses And we did quite A Vending process of weighing up the Two pulses Which I can share with you all I'd like to just send you guys That everybody gets so much stuff But obviously I can share With you all So We've done our Vending and we've come up With a contractor who would be The construction manager And also the contractor They end up going As we go forward and we get grants And we go into the construction They're part of the team This isn't As I said in these statements The construction manager performs Many duties between Doing some pre-con and pre-design And getting MVP prices And stuff like that And then doing a hard cost estimate You know Through the CM process Only knowing you can do it this way That way you can save money Doing this whole process Of using the CM They So then they would then Once we finished This design development Which they would become part of that team Then they'd do the hard price Numbers that we need That number to go To fund raise To start going for grants Identifying the different line Items of work So without getting Way, way into the weeds on it The next phase To have a construction manager When we came a long time To go to hire To do someone to just Take the design development drawings That we're into right now To put it out to a guy Who just gives you an estimate That's like $4,000 $4,000 to $5,000 The first phase of using a construction manager Who eventually is Not only that, you know They self-perform a lot of the jobs As we get into the construction phase Their cost Is $7,800 to do This first phase Of construction manager So as I asked Before in the meeting We hadn't done the bending yet Was is there a way While we're working towards This end of getting Final design and final number To go after these two We've grabbed the two large grants We have the library one And the Merkle one for $500,000 Is there a way We could Borrow the money From the town in advance And then pay it back when we get a grant Use some more Additional opera money I remember when we first came in To do this next phase We were talking 35 But we decided just to do the 22.5 for the design development And then we just designated 2500 to do the truck We needed to do a survey Back then So now if I'm in a way To expedite that Now the next trick Is how do we expedite this next step I'm sure of our I mean we are going to do a capital campaign But we didn't really want to start A capital campaign until we know What the costs are for the project You know Because then we're going to go for grants Capital campaign And then hopefully This year won't have to be that much That's my Today's scale So you're looking for 7500 78% Yeah Well not me but that's probably I know I know I'm just kidding So I don't know I don't know if there's a vehicle At the town It could be a loan and then we pay it back When we get the grants There's no stopping now The projects This is our one chance To revitalize the town hall With the grant money That's going to be available For us to get I was glad to hear Dave say that By doing that application We can still get the money for grants Because when he told me that The other day I went We had a lot of grants We're going to be going after Yeah Unless we take You know I mean We haven't really done a final We still got some Acro funds there but I know We've got a lot of usage for that too Especially with the fire When do you need this decision tonight Don? No we can We said we would either do tonight Or the 16th but By then yeah we need to Bring them on line Let's Let's look at To see what we have for funds I think there's probably funds there It's a small amount Let's figure it out Where it comes from Whether it's ARPA stuff We're going to budget a report To see where We're at We're spending Between the The partners To reimburse the town basically So we probably Unless we don't get any grants To get the money back then Yeah I mean That would be one way If Not the best way but yeah We could try to have that In the grant application This funding and then Pay it back I don't know I don't know if that can work But I mean project manager should be part of the grant Application That stuff will be The next design part Yeah I think as long as we get the money back You know Well as Tom said Let's see where it lies Yeah But we will vote on it Next time Grants are very touchy She mentioned Yes You may get $20,000 But if you don't dot one I You're only going to get 10 And you're probably going to see it in two years Well that's why I think we would like you to have Cheryl And Tasha work on those Constantly Cheryl and me and the manager Because it's one of those things If you just pick it up once in a while I mean it's something So it's important to have Something that knows it Anything else Tom? John No Nothing too Something to report I just Curious about the The trail again Talk with I'm not connected But I promise you I will You know 17 17 Hasn't been a lack of effort We just haven't hit up Sasha did you Or you were Cheryl in contact Um You got it? Yeah okay Okay good And also did we get the tree down No And so Blodgett must be happy about that Yeah I hope so Then you update on the greater Is that kind of the word on that It's not Brazil Okay Driving up from Central America That's the long way So it's all going up from Brazil Cool So where's the ship to What's the port? I don't know I assume they were saying Oh it's going to be a ship to New Jersey And I was like I'm not going to ship it to New Jersey It's going to cost way too much To New Jersey Somewhere in Florida Somewhere on the coast And then they'll just drive it Drive it Take a little longer So we don't want to get you a mile down it We had the warranty Done by the Time to go here And we also Got a truck coming too At some point Anything on The other thing I had from Martin Is Sean's truck Have you heard anything on that No What do you still have I don't know I can't I don't think so Two weeks ago I haven't imagined It's changed much How many times a turn Something like that Martin was getting in touch with Manufacturers Anything else we can do with it Any Old business Let me have the minutes Go back to what I know But we'll do that Is there anything on the old business That we need to address They're all good Saltboard minutes from 918 The Saltboard minutes What was it 918 91823 Any seconds on that I can't I wasn't here No I'll second You can I can't You can't actually I'll second Don seconds Any discussion on Nothing I can't approve them If everyone says aye Aye Abstain New business Anything new that we have Plenty of old Lots of old Alright Let's go ahead and sign up Do we have any other things to sign A one Thank you Just a minute I'm sorry are you adjourning We haven't adjourned yet The annual time report There's a contract For one year or two years Two years is better Alright And then I hope We'll try to engage it Thank you Before we leave We need to go ahead and have a session If you have a couple of minutes Or Yes you may I was speaking with someone the other day Someone was built in the town all the time And both of us have noticed That the gazebo And I know the town doesn't own it And we know that Bill Wilcox Built it and it belongs on the land With the post office But she and I just thought maybe We would just say something to the select board About A need to pair Yup It's not It's not the town's responsibility But if you have any connection With Mr. Wilcox We understand that lives in New Hampshire Maybe if you have time Speak to him about maybe fixing it The roof and the benches inside Are not configured here If he can't Or do it, maybe some fundraising Could be proposed That's good idea Thanks Alright So Now we need to go into the second Session So I would move To To do it Good night Good night Good night Did you sign out of anything? Yes Good night Alright So I will move To go into the second session For Section 313 Of the Vermont statutes And we're looking at Point number one Which is The premature general public knowledge Would clearly place this body Or the person At a substantial disadvantage And This Will be Under that I think I would say That it would be Under Contracts And This has to do with the Charles O. Davis fund Second Sorry It's important to get it right John That's why I asked you to do it I appreciate it All in favor vote aye Aye


I find bananas to be appealing.   I'm Rick. And you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter. It's so juicy.  It's all over your face. And I take photos of some Patreon and follow an official Twitter account. What are we doing? Do you feel it in the air? No, but I can smell it. Yeah. Smells like a movie review.  Yep. Smells musty. It's a gross smell. That's a... It is. It smells musty.  Ew. But we finally, finally reviewed a film that, I think they're all like this, but this one was high up there for a long time because we're back to this trailer early on. Yeah, I remember a while back and we were like, it was one of those, I really want to see this one. So we finally got this. But it's called Bag Milka Bag. Which, yes everybody, now you know why Corbinizations have been on the decline.  Yep, you haven't been paying attention. Go watch the video. But yes, we finally watched Bag Milka Bag. Yeah, Bag Milka Bag. Which is run, milk or run. I think it's likes milk, milk. No. Likes milk? Like. Like. Really likes milk. Something like that. But it's obviously directed by, directed by... I'm not that good at it. Rakesh Amprakash Mera. He also directed Rang de Basanti. Rang de Basanti. Or as we like to call it here, Bang de Basanti. Like you like that. I always thought of Rang de Basanti. I did. I'm the one who was. I still do that occasionally. The other day I slipped and said that and Drani corrected me. Rang de Basanti. But it's starring Farhan Akhtar. Yes, who we haven't been introduced to yet. Oh, wait. Well, yeah. In Debra. Yeah. But I didn't recognize him. At all. We're going to talk about him. Yeah, but it was one of those things. Whatever. We'll talk about him. But the synopsis for you really, it's real quick. It is the truth behind the ascension of Nilkasingh who was scarred because of the India-Pakistan partition. Yes. Yep. And it's about the flying sick. Correct. Sick. The flying sick. I've heard it both ways. I have. Apparently I have. I have too, but I believe. Yeah, I think it's sick. More common, original pronunciation is sick. But yeah, I've heard it. Yeah. People would say that. Me too. This is right. But yeah, this is one of the films that people kept saying that it's like one of the best sports movies to ever come out of India. Right. But it's... Where was it? Who else was in this? I didn't recognize too many other people. So I just wanted to make sure I didn't... Oh, well I'll tell you what. There were people we didn't recognize, but there were two actors who so impressed me that I did some research on them after I watched the film because I was so impressed with how good they were. My thought was, number one, no way they're not trained. Number two, no way they haven't been working on a really long time. I bet I know who it is. Yeah. And I was right about both of them. Initial thoughts. Initial thoughts. This is... I really, really enjoyed this movie a lot. So did I. I love the movie.  Absolutely. This is one of my... Not only one of my favorite films we've seen since we've been doing OSR, this is one of my... There's a lot of sports films that I love. This is one of my favorite sports films. It was a fantastic sports film. Fantastic sports film. And I didn't know about this guy defying sick at all. My wife, actually, she watched it with me. She usually does. She was like, oh, the flying... Yeah, I know. I know of the flying sick. Really. I think we learned about him in school or something because she knew him from the Olympics. And I was like, oh, cool. That's awesome. I had no idea. So that was a completely fresh new story to me. And I think it was to her. She just knew of him. She didn't really know what happened behind him. But yeah. This film was so good all around. I really enjoyed from the acting to the writing to the pacing to the directing to the music. There's hardly any gripes I have of film outside of a few white actors. Yeah, I've just got... Which is far for the course, man. Hire me! The white actors show up. It is a shame. Guys, we've said it before. Well, we would love to come do stuff. I will work for a dollar above scale. Yep. I'll work scale. I'll do a dollar above scale. I know Indy, so. Yeah, but I will say, speaking of that, we'll also, before you yell at me, I don't cast American films. So you say you guys cast terrible Indian actors in your films. I don't cast film. We don't casting directors.  Already. Go ahead. Yeah. Let's just get that out of the way right now because the minute they showed up on the screen, first it was the girls and then it was the coach from Australia. Oh my God. There they are. The girl who plays his romantic interest there for a little bit. She actually was, she was fine. Yes, she was. But compared to everybody else, it was awful. We can talk about Fahad Khan. Let's save him for the little bit later. Okay, sure. Because we're going to probably spend a lot of time talking about him. Okay. Let's talk about, since we were talking about the actors that we didn't enjoy, let me tell you, you probably feel the same way. And again, we're, we will nitpick anything because what we're looking for in a film is there are some films we've seen that were pretty much perfect for us. The first one obviously that comes in mind is Header where believability and details are all like spot, we can't find a flaw. There's several films that were that way but this one had a couple of flaws but they make up maybe 2% of the film. 98% of it, the rest of it for me was I loved the movie. So to point these out are just to point out where it wasn't perfect and here it was for me and it's pretty simple. The physical altercations that took place both with the kids fighting each other and then the uncle kicking him was not believable. So nitpicking and the kids fighting it wasn't believable other than that. And the other potential right I may have, I don't know yet is I don't know how accurate this was to the history. Yeah, but we're not going to go off of that. Not at all. We're just going off the film so if there's inaccuracies you can let us know. We're just going off the film. Just going off of what we know and what we saw. So those are my only minuscule rights. And it was actually quite nice because it's a 3 hour 5 minute film and the pacing was good. It kept you interested because it could have very well been a very boring film. Yeah, because a film about running is not off the bat interesting. There's only one other film that I've ever seen about running that engaged me and I loved and was rooting for Come Oscar time and that was Cherry It's a Fire. Forrest Gump. That's not a movie about running. Technically it is. But yeah, the sport I agree that it was awesome to learn about this guy and it was painful at times because when you stepped on whatever that rock was great makeup by the way. I thought it was a nail. Great makeup. Did you notice when they pulled the rock out a little fresh blood started to flow from out of it? That looked really good. Yeah, ouch.  I wonder how if that was all true because natural running it's actually the best way to run it's better for your feet is to run on barefoot. That was really interesting. I thought the makeup was really good on that. I enjoyed that part of it. I would like to know how much of this was accurate to his life because there's a lot of details they covered a lot which is the interesting way they did it is that they started from him losing the Rio and then they went into basically why he now won't go to Pakistan. It was kind of like a is it Forrest Gump that does it? Yeah, Forrest Gump. He basically goes backwards he starts telling his life story and then we get to the present which is a it doesn't happen often but it's a nice format if you do it correctly it can fill up a film nicely. Agreed and they did it very nicely here. I felt I liked it a lot the director did a phenomenal job. Really I was so impressed at so many places with the direction deeply, deeply impressed and it doesn't surprise me because we were deeply impressed with Rengar Basanti and before we get into our lead actor the two other actors that I felt were flawless just fantastic. Sartash? Yes. He looked ridiculously similar to Sartash right when he came up to the screen I was like that's not Sartash but he could very well be his brother. Right he could especially the fact that he really looked like he was one of my favorite characters in the entire film. The two my two favorite people in it because of their acting prowess other than Farhan were his coach in the army Yeah. Yeah it's Pavan Malhotra and the man who played his dad with the long beard oh yeah he was great fan and I did some research on them the actor who plays his dad with the long beard member of the royal Shakespeare company not a shock Yeah that guy was and they both have extensive resumes including American films that they've been in an American TV show so both of those actors it is obvious they were about as good as anything I've seen in supporting roles Yeah absolutely forgot about the dad he was one of my favorites I loved him. He was so good, so believable, so strong in his performance I liked him a lot Other than the physical violence part of it as well I felt that the little boys both Farhan as a little boy and then his best friend I felt they were really good the majority of the time they were believable Very sweet moment when they got reunited Did you cry there? Yeah Yeah I got emotional there I didn't That's not really a shock anymore but it was a really sweet moment I didn't expect that for him to come back but the actor did very well and it was a really sweet moment The guy say his name Pavan Mahotra who plays the coach so me and my wife both were like at the end I loved the coach I thought he had great chemistry Farhan Farhan's character and I thought his performance was beautiful in the way that his character was written as well was really beautiful I felt that the main ladies in the film which would be his sister and the love of his life at the beginning I felt they were solid I didn't find them to be as compelling to my eyes or written to be as compelling as the other two were referencing but they did do solid work I have no complaints at all about the sister and his love interest at the very beginning I thought the sister did very well She did have very strong moments She was always believable for me I liked one of my favorite parts was when he was putting on the jacket and he knew it was going to happen I said it out loud they're going to come in they're going to see you and beat you up that's a weird thing to do that's a weird thing to do they're just ripping off what's that all about okay but like the so dumb but when he came in and he was yelling at him and then the other guy who was beating him up and then you turned to him and he just started slapping him he's like you want one of those that can work for you exactly that was a great slap by the way the actors had talked about that he gave him permission and said slap the snot out of me do you think he actually slapped him? guaranteed we're going to talk about Farhan I'm pretty sure they discussed it and discussed it with the director and he said do it it's happened a few times in films that I've been in as long as it's for a scene that's more powerful not just a random thing that you could get away with I usually always tell them if not a punch but like a slap 100% and there's ways you can do a slap for screen and for stage where you get hurt you get slapped especially if it's a critical important because the worst thing that can happen in those moments is it not look real because you take away the power of the scene the suspension of disbelief is gone they really didn't slap each other and it also helps you as an actor if you get slapped unbeknownst to yourself your eyes might start welling up pink on the cheeks you feel it there's a reason actors will do some stupid stuff they'll want some they don't want to get in a lot of pain but they want it to a little self slapping Tatum Channing did that Channing Tatum not Tatum Channing that's so good Tatum Channing did that in Fox Catcher when he punched himself in the face it reminded me of that when Farhan was slapping himself in the face where the actor is and I thought about that when Farhan was slapping himself I thought Gussie how many takes did they have to do on that one because there's only so many you could do before his face is going to get swollen and red but the uh should we talk about Farhan now should we go into Farhan? so we already knew that he was solid from Deborah if you don't know what Deborah is sorry sorry we already knew he was solid from that and then when we did some research on him we realized wow this guy and obviously his sister director of Gully Boy and other things we were like wow we want to get to know this guy he with this role alone proved to me he's an actor's actor can explain that in a second and that he is one of the better actors I've ever seen he's the kind of actor who will fully immerse himself into a role in the way that say a Christian Bale will in order to be believable he reminds me the way it looks like he commits himself to every aspect of the character the amount of work he probably does on backstory and history but the physical transformation he will put himself through I think he's probably at the level of a Christian Bale oh yeah I agree he was he was so good in this one like I said I didn't recognize him half way through the film I'm like I've seen this guy I've seen this guy and I looked it up and thought you've got to be kidding me and looked at him again and looked back down at my computer laptop as I'm watching the movie and thought that's Farhan from Deborah oh my goodness well like if you look at this picture that looks like the guy from Deborah Farhan looks more like that most of the time that does not look like him no and let's just talk about the physical transformation he put himself through and the believability of him as a runner because they did a lot of shots of him long shot full running he was as believable an athlete in their profession as any sports film I've ever seen I can't think of an athlete portrayal that's better than the way he portrayed this believability that he was the athlete not a flaw maybe it's I don't know what it is maybe it's the hair and the beard his face looks skinnier to me it is the hair being lifted up makes the face shape different he has a beard now I remember in the trailer comments saying I didn't recognize Farhan even Indians didn't recognize him because of the transformation he took but I didn't really understand and I didn't know until after because I knew that Farhan there's a new actor in here that we don't really know but I thought we'd never seen him and then I looked up after and I was like me too crap that's the guy from Deborah yeah what about his writings producing I think he does directing as well yeah he does directing so if I call him an actor's actor he's the kind of actor that when you watch you want to work with because you know he's fully committed and probably a joy to work with and is a perfectionist and will show up early on set and leave late and probably treat everybody with respect. There's something about the demeanor of the way he carries himself in his work that shows a total commitment to what he does could be wrong about some of the salient aspects of his personality as a person but I just was as impressed with him as I could be and want to see a lot more of his work. I'm now as excited for him as many of the other actors that we've come to get to know and you can let us know what else of his that we need to react to because I know he has a lot on his oh that was the other thing the other thing we just recently saw him in he plays Priyanka's husband and the sky is pink does he really which he was great in oh yeah he did wow yeah he's good he's for me he is one of the actors that I would really he's an actor you watch work like when you watch Brian Cranston or Jonathan Banks or Nawazuddin or Gary Oldman you watch these guys work and you think oh or Irfan or Big B or on the ladies side of things you watch Alia and you watch Topeka and Priyanka and I watch obviously Meryl Streep and Glenn Close you watch these women and your thoughts are number one I would just like to sit and watch you work and then the honor of actually doing scene work with you what that must be like a joy of bouncing off with people at that level wow he really blew me away yeah I did not realize that sky's pink now I remember after we watched it I remember saying that he was in it but I completely forgot again that he was actually in it but I yeah he was phenomenal on that he did really well no you couldn't tell that this character was in that movie or the Deborah movie at all no it's so different so what of his should we watch next week please let us know as well as any of the other work that we mentioned who were in the supporting roles and the other work of I'm so impressed with I love the score and I really was deeply impressed with the direction I thought the directing on the film was extremely good well yeah that director you know we know and we liked Raghavisanti we thought that was a phenomenal film that movie was really really good one of the singers in it is the Shankar Mahadevan Breathless although I want to know I feel like I did too there was a point in one of the songs I heard his voice absolutely agree with you we'll check it's not on IMDB but I know his name I don't know I could have swore I heard his name I could have swore it was him maybe they sound similar because we obviously just the other day we were acting to one of Shankar Mahadevan's songs and obviously Breathless we've heard that one and so we know he has a ridiculously good voice but I swear I heard what's his name? Dollar Mendy's voice me too I'm with you there was one song where I was like that's gotta be Dollar Mendy let me know if I'm crazy and also you were talking about one more thing on this film Little Gripe I Had one of the races I forget which one it was they had a couple I think there were two white dudes racing against him and they were in the middle and they were like almost neck and neck with him but they were like fat I didn't even see that they're like not fat fat but they were like out of shape and you could tell they shouldn't be in a race with somebody that looks like Farhan Khan what is his name? Farhan Oktar Farhan Oktar I'm confusing his name now that's alright at least you're not calling him Chading Tannim that's true or whatever there was like one race where like you could go back and see he's winning but then right behind him are these two white guys and they were like ridiculously white skinny legs and he's kind of pudgy in the middle that's like you couldn't have got actual runners or people that look like they're running like me with my shirt off as you've seen yeah exactly come on no and there's one last thing too that's obviously a deep part of the story here which is and was very intriguing to me the book I'm sure even dives into it a lot more of the centrality of this man's story and the legit PTSD he was dealing with of the partition and what happened to so many when that happened and still the tensions that exist today I found that to I just find that whole situation that we're just still learning about to be just so sad you know just so so sad and I know there's a bunch of documentaries about when it actually happened and like the mass migrations that happened on both going either way depending on what your religion was or where your family was all that stuff and the mass migration and the people that died from it right like it's an insane thing that happened it's a real it's a travesty yeah it was a phenomenal, phenomenal film I really really enjoyed this film I did too one of my favorites anybody that the only reason that I wouldn't suggest is to some like an American right away even though everything in it they could digest I feel like is the length that'd be the only thing I just don't want them to get bored I would say once an American is adjusted to the run times this would be one of the first ones absolutely because it doesn't have it has enough cultural references to learn but they have to keep their interest but not feel disconnected because everything in this film that people could appreciate the acting, the directing, the writing the songs, everything in it I even enjoyed the the song, the military song I think it was one of the first ones when they were dancing in the military oh I love that that was a lot of fun and I love that soldier with the high screechy voice I love that guy that was weird I didn't like country song well you're not a fan of country period no one should be if that's what it was I don't know I don't know how many how much Indians know about country music I'm not a fan he's not a fan, I am, I love all genres of music but that was like the most stereotypical country song I've ever heard in my life it was this is what white people do they dance to this weird music and some of them do you're right line dancing is actually a lot of fun yeah but that song was not no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no line dancing like there was a place in San Antonio we used to go to that was I love to go to because they had live bands line dancing and then you could go down the hall and you'd walk inside and there would be bull riding what was it? south of south east of San Antonio but not too far away, I forgot what the place was called well yeah like I said this was phenomenal, let us know a bunch of those actors we should watch next which film we should watch and review next would you, where would you put this of the sports films we've seen thus far that have come from India how many movies we have? well the first one that comes to mind instantly is Choct India and then we had the which one are you thinking of? Lagann which is for cricket and then I feel like there was a third one we've done that's a sport focused we had a field hockey, we have a cricket didn't we have another cricket focused one? the Akshay, what was the Akshay one? that was just the trailer, we haven't seen gold yet I think it's it Lagann was our cricket one early on and then Choct India was field hockey this was running I feel like there's one more we saw it was a sport film no? I don't think so yes I got it, what is it? dongle oh yeah wrestling, yep oh that's tough here's the thing that's really tough dongle was a phenomenal film dongle was great and Lagann was great yeah I don't know if I could and Choct India I want to revisit I really want to revisit that at some point yeah that would be at the bottom for me it is for me too but I know that I would probably like there was too much bad acting yeah there was stuff about it you didn't like I agree but I don't know this I don't know dongle was phenomenal I'll tell you what, there was no weak points in dongle there wasn't but I will tell you this as far as it pertains to an actor portraying the athleticism at a level that is impeccable it's Farhan I don't know wrestling, they're wrestling enough their wrestling is not our wrestling I agree I can't tell you the experts in that, the only sport that I could watch then tell you definitively if it was doing it the right way there would only be a couple, it would be baseball and it would be MMA other than that I don't know if you're going to have to wait for end of year top 10 movies and some boxing films so we're going to do a top 10 list at the end of the year we should do a top 10 of our personal favorites personal favorites yeah top 10 personal favorites and then our top 10 songs yeah that's a good one we'll do that at the end of the year and then you can know which one we like best