I've seen my students start to connect more dots than they had before even if they've been through the academy They're like much more quick to recognize what's going on with someone. I think it's just really valuable But it takes time right and adult learners don't have a lot of time So that's that's the thing is is trying to organize the material in a way that the adult learner could come on their own time spend 15 very valuable minutes of interacting with the material in a lot of different ways and then You know slowly start making it their own You're listening to barbell logic brought to you by barbell logic online coaching where each week we take a systematic walk through strength training And the refining power of voluntary hardship You are listening to another episode of the barbell logic podcast Today, I am hosting. This is Andrew Jackson coach at barbell logic and I am joined today this morning Saturday morning with Rebecca Krieg Good morning. Hello. How are you? I'm doing well Today wanted to talk to you because I'm pretty excited to have recently launched a new Online learning environment master's anatomy class and have also been working with you this year on our new academy curriculum overhaul as well and so I just wanted to kind of talk to you about that process and What it's been like for you working on that project both the the new curriculum and then kind of your lessons learned But before we dig into that, let's it's been a while since you've been on the podcast. I think it was like 2018 Maybe you were on last time sounds about right. Yeah, so Becca why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and What you do at barbell logic? All right, so I am Rebecca Krieg. I've actually been with barbell logic since the very beginning Yeah, they won that started the company. So I've been around a while I've been strength coaching since Probably hmm, when did I first start probably like 2013 end of 2013? I think so I got my start in CrossFit like a lot of folks but Caleb actually introduced me to strength training and the you know as as a priority rather than just conditioning which is what I was doing before and so we actually ran a gym together and Caleb's my husband also a black coach if those of you who don't know we Were in a small town called black Haven for a couple of years and then we moved to State College Which is where Penn State University is so that's where we are now. We have a small gym but most of our work is probably online coaching and Obviously during the quarantine it's been all exclusively online coaching. We're about to open our gym in July So we're getting back into some in-person training, which we're excited about but I Worked before that I studied biology in college definitely had an interest in anatomy there, but also Got my physical therapy assistant certification and worked in physical therapy I've been doing it for almost 20 years now, I guess and When I started into physical therapy, it definitely was an interest of mine to you know Help people get stronger recover from injury. That's kind of why I got into physical therapy in the first place but working in the profession and knowing its shortcomings When I started strength training and it actually really changed my shoulder. I was having shoulder issues at the time that is when I Knew that Strength training was a more impactful way to change a person's life and help them towards health. So I actually Had gradually just I think I was working both physical therapy and strength training Until two years ago and now I've just been exclusively a strength coach And that would you say that's the bulk of your knowledge of anatomy has come from working with people practically As well as that, you know having a formal education background for the Physical therapy assistant. Yeah, absolutely. So so when I first started like like academically pursuing strength coaching and looking at all the resources you could about learning about how to do that well it actually fell in line with the way I'd been educated as a physical therapist because you're used to watching people move and Definitely what I came to really think is that The level of anatomy that we learned as a physical therapist assistant was actually very applicable for a strength coach We actually don't go it as deep into it as a PT or an MD will But the we focus on the extremities, right? So the upper extremity the lower extremity and how that applies to function So whenever I think of strength coaching I I think that background has helped me immensely especially just thinking about Biomechanical analysis, but also just when people have difficulty Understanding and appreciating anatomical variance between person to person Whether it's anthropometry or you know their way their bodies put together Definitely helps you coach them how to move better. So that got me kind of you know thinking about that and then as the Academy Came about with barbell logic. And of course anatomy is was has always been one of those parts of the curriculum I was excited to help develop that a little bit. Yeah, so let's you know talk about a little bit your background with the Academy You've run Four classes now three classes. I think I'm on five or six five. Okay. Wow five at least five. Yeah, so you we started the Academy in We're coming up on about two years here in a couple of months year and a half probably about now and so you've run five classes and it was late last year I reached out to you to help in Developing our kind of what we're calling curriculum 2.0. And we've been working on that for for six months now. Yeah and then you've also You've built a couple of different anatomy masters classes, right? Yes, it's been evolving Yeah, but yeah, how did it what was the first iteration? That was like a that was an instructor led version, right? Yeah, so Exactly, we had it. I think it was it was February a year ago, but I started doing just putting the developing content for An anatomy class because the original Curriculum for the Academy had anatomy lessons, but it went super fast And I think it was just difficult to really get a good grasp on that on the topic. So I Started developing a master's class, which was an instructor led version Which went well and people, you know, people really liked it and then as of course We were it was time to kind of offer it again. I was revising it and One of the feedback some of the feedback we got from the first time is we had so many people say oh, man I'd love to take that class, but I can't make the time You know because we would just meet over zoom and have calls and have class that way And so, you know, that's when we sort of started developing this idea that maybe we could make it into Self-paced online learning kind of curriculum Mm-hmm and that actually when we kind of put that out on the slack channel to the coaches We currently had in the Academy that got a lot of positive feedback And so that's when we sort of decided to start developing it into an online format one of the things I've always liked about the classes that you've developed is that you are very interested in Creating different learning modalities. I guess you'd call it for people, you know in my mind anatomy has always been one of these subjects where you basically create flashcards and Memorize a bunch of bones and ligaments and joints and muscles and and that's just the way you got to do it and What I think is pretty cool about the classes that you've created is that you have gone out of your way to develop, you know Half a dozen or more different learning strategies. Where how did you pick up those? Different learning strategies along the way. What what what brought that to your attention as a useful way to learn? Yeah, so I mean let's face it You can probably learn anything on the internet if you have some determination So the information that you need to know is out there But it's scattered and you have to dig for it And I think too anatomy is one of those topics that you really have to Engage yourself in for over a long period of time for it to really become part of you And I think just interacting with students both with the academy and with my first class It kind of became apparent that you know the way that Organized instruction can help an adult learner is to make it easy and make their time spent learning the subject very efficient And I think the way that you know adult learners are different thing that in children learners is that They kind of already have some experience that they bring to the table, right? It's not like they're they whether I mean we see that in the academy We have people with a variance of backgrounds like some people that are already coaching Some people have had some formal education as exercise physiologists Some people are engineers and know nothing about anatomy So we have all of these various types of adults who have valuable experience And they it's not like they don't bring anything to the table where you have to start from scratch to learn something but What they are looking for is an organized way to take the experience that they have And get a new experience to bring those together and kind of assimilate the knowledge into who they are as a coach Or a lifter or whatever as they take the class. And so what I found was Memorization happens a little differently for you know, and a 10 year old than it does for an adult Ten year olds can memorize pretty fast, but they're not holding as much in their head, right? So With an adult learner, I think you have to Give them a variety of ways to interact with the material And through that basically you're creating experience for them to connect It to themselves and to their own experience. And so one of the things I try to do is is Make it very visual Which is why I actually Ask people to draw an addict Which is like some of the the coolest things that I've seen come out of the the class Some of these drawings are just amazing what people are able to do. Yeah, so some people are artists, right? So, um, I Salmon of miami barbell is amazing I've actually asked him if I could use some of his drawings because they're like stellar like really beautiful Shout out to salman biologic clients and academy and signed up for multiple masters classes. I think that's right He's all about educating himself. He's doing great. And then there's other people who are like I feel like my drawing looks like a third graders And that's okay. That's what I'm gonna ask, you know, we often Share pictures particularly of salman as an example, uh, you know, or like, you know, these really elaborate beautiful drawings Do you like what? What about the people that are doing the third grade version? Is that still uh, do they find that so useful and Yes, it's totally legit. Um Because if you are using the more senses do you use and we know this about about learning the more senses that you use The more you're gonna retain and so, um, actually a chicken scratch drawing of the quadriceps on a napkin is helpful Right. So, uh, and that's what I get sometimes which is okay because there's all learners But I can still see in that drawing and in salmons drawings, you know, that that information is coming out Right and so it but it stretches a lot of folks like people are really nervous to submit that first drawing to the class Usually it's assignment. Um, especially if they don't feel confident in themselves. But the point is learning it, right? So, um, that's one of the things we do we do lots of of we actually do games online games But also just interacting with flashcards Um to really make anatomy knowledge your own you have to be able to visualize it as well as Wrote memorization of you know the attack with certain insertions But if you spend the time doing that you start looking at lifting differently And so it really it really can change, you know Your perspective on your on your job as a coach or on the way that you look at your own lifting and exercise It makes you better able to problem-solve For people when they're having difficulty And so I've I've really enjoyed it like I've seen my students start to connect more dots than they had before Even if they've been through the academy like when they go through the anatomy class They're like much more quick to recognize what's going on with someone I think it's just really valuable, but it takes time right and adult learners don't have a lot of time So that's that's the thing is is trying to organize the material in a way that the adult learner could come on their own time spend 15 very valuable minutes of interacting with the material in a lot of different ways And then you know slowly start making it their own Yeah, and that's one of the other things that I've noticed uh with you you just mentioned 15 minutes as I've watched you iterate from The first master's class instructor led then you did another instructor led earlier this year Then we did a beta test OLE online learning environment version and You each time have Uh, it seems kind of made the the chunks of information smaller and smaller I'm curious what that kind of learning process was for you in iterating the the curriculum to the point where now we're We've just launched actually in the last week a you know, a new OLE version for lower extremity So talk to me a little bit about that process and kind of how you got to What we're offering now Yeah, so I I think the primary Feedback was just watching students go through the course And seeing them, you know, kind of loose steam so me and my passion for anatomy The first class I was like we have to learn everything about everything and so It was super content heavy And clunky probably although I think the students who went through still got a lot out of it But I know they missed a lot because I just was like throwing so much at them. Um, and it's not What I what I've sought to do each time actually is break it up into smaller pieces So that it more easily fits into an adult learner's life So you're gonna if you want to just focus if you really want to learn The hip as an example It's better to think about the hip for a month or two than to think about it for a week Right, you're gonna learn more about it. You can and that's the other thing I've wanted to do with the online curriculum is making the material repeatable so that you can go back Re-quiz yourself redo things yourself Because those little those little points of contact is actually much more how an adult learner learns because you're taking The pieces of what you are and you're assimilating it into what you do every day and I think that um, you know It's much more valuable to really really learn something then to like just you know get 10 of it when you buy a class Like when you purchase the classroom I want you to feel like wow I poured I I went through this program and I feel like I really got a lot out of this piece of it and And adult learners usually are you know ready to learn for the rest of their life That's the kind of people we look for at barba logic, right? We're all about like that learning culture So why not take smaller pieces that people can digest on their own time It was interesting too because I think last time you were we were talking about it. You also mentioned Not just the course itself wanting to be smaller in In content or like more focused, but also even within the curriculum that you developed for the for the OLE Estab building it so that the the student feels a consistent Series of wins, you know like they're You know even the assignments are broken up into smaller pieces so that they you know there's momentum that they build and that the Even though it's an asynchronous online learning environment There's still a sense of you know making progress and completing things and that the The OLE process Is designed to Keep the student motivated, you know, even though they're working on their own Absolutely. I think we do that as coaches with training too, right? Like right. I mean, that's what we do for That's what sometimes we do for our clients as well. It's it's a long process to get strong Right, it's really long process. I mean it and but you have to feel like you're making progress along the way You know or or it's hard to stay motivated to keep training because it's hard work. It's really hard work Well, it's the same with learning. It's It's fun to to scratch the surface but to really learn something takes a little bit of discipline and practice So, you know Take a chunk master it then move on. I think that's a better strategy for For online learning So specifically right now if you go to barbelllogic.com and click on coach development You head over to our master classes offering in the coaching academy section You'll find that we are now offering a functional anatomy for strength coaches lower extremity And that is our first iteration of this OLE format So can you talk to us talk talk a little bit about Why you chose the lower extremity, you know and what what the class offers for the for a student that would sign up for this Yeah, so um, I I chose the lower extremity first because I feel like it is probably Maybe the most injury prone area although you could say the shoulder is too but um, basically When you're learning to coach the squat or the deadlift Super helpful to understand those muscle groups For biomechanics and actually what I'm really excited about is I think, you know Our academy core team is kind of going to build more of these master classes I think biomechanics might be the next one and of course we're going to do upper extremity for anatomy as well, but um Basically this course is uh Every there's a kind of prerequisite of of um basic anatomy Uh intros topics that you go through And then once you get through that you're actually going to go into the hip Then the knee Then the shank and foot and each each lesson is going to take you through You know the bones of those joints. What kind of joint it is Um, the muscles you're actually going to take a lot of time to To work with the muscles practice the muscles draw the muscles Then we actually talk about common injuries for those specific areas and just some coaching strategies of how to work Around them in a little education too about what they are what you might find Not in not in a sense that we are going to turn coaches into into complete rehab specialists But I think one of the things that keeps the coach from being confident in how to coach the lifts Is actually nervousness that they're going to hurt someone or just being able to recognize when You can train through something and when you can't um, right? So just like You know people Tend to either eat too much or too little I think people who are trying to rehab themselves tend to do too much or too little And I think a job as a coach is to kind of help you navigate That like when do you really need you do need to call the doctor? When do you just need to be patient? When do you need to let healing take place? When do you need to get off the couch that kind of thing? Right? Yeah, that's cool. So it's not just a Anatomy one-on-one kind of class or anatomy master class. It's anatomy with application to barbell coaching Absolutely, and that's been my vision from the beginning Is every application question that we talk about with these muscle groups is about Barbell training and so it's very it's not just like i'm going to memorize the muscles. It's it's for coaches It's a class for coaches And I I think too like like for instance for the hip We talk about impingements. We talk about hip replacement. We talk about just the the general Abnormalities you might see that might affect how you even coach someone to pick the right stance or not, right? so like Because anatomy has direct impact on that coaching wise we spend we spend time talking about those as practical examples Yeah, it's it's been interesting, you know as I've worked with you or as When we're on slack dealing with different injuries How much you and some of the other coaches that are more versed in PT take into account the those variations and solve problems based on an anatomical understanding of what's happening at the joint, you know If if somebody is experiencing some pain or some, you know, certain movement patterns and are you're able to make adjustments that Take into account What's happening happening at the anatomical level and it makes a It's still I mean, it's kind of like programming in the sense that you never know 100 what the answer is going to be Particularly when it comes to pain or injury But it gives you a starting point to test a hypothesis It seems like that's kind of what I've what I've seen and what and what I've done More so as I've built confidence as a coach is very similar again to programming where you look at things from a An analytical perspective look at the anatomy try to troubleshoot and diagnose what a what the symptom might be coming from And make an adjustment and then test it. Is that right? Is that fair? Is that kind of yeah? No? I think that's true. I think it's true because I think I mean we're asking people to train with heavy weights So injuries are going to happen tweaks are going to happen And how do you know if this is something that you know needs to Needs to you know sideline them for a couple of weeks or is it something they need to go to the doctor for Like I think you know, we're health care is becoming more expensive to be honest And so I mean even like physical therapy copays are higher and higher And is it something that a person can actually just work through with a little bit of guidance? Like, you know, whether you know, let's shorten the range of motion Let's let's arrest this. Let's just deload it a little bit But I think when a coach and I think experienced coaches do do this They've seen it before They understand that the person's probably going to feel better in three to five days And so you just have to make some modifications to the program. They actually have seen that, you know Cocaine deadless help with back pain, you know, like it actually may help it Feel better faster because you're pumping blood to the area So there's some really basic things that as you become an experienced coach, you could you know, you can try it It's not going to hurt the person and it may help them And I think just having more weapons in your arsenal as a coach makes you more confident To not hit the panic button when someone comes to and says something hurts Yeah, you know, it's interesting because we talk a lot about the the avatar for our academy and uh, he has the core coaching Or the core curriculum team And a lot of the students that we see coming through are looking for what cj will call permission to coach, you know, they're looking for Enough knowledge enough experience enough validation that they are not going to hurt somebody or that they're doing it quote-unquote Right and that and that's something that we do with the academy Over the course of the six month curriculum. I think people come out of that feeling like they have permission to coach I kind of what I'm hearing when you describe that and what people can get out of this class is it's almost like a sense of permission or like the the coach may feel more confident or like they have permission to work through some of these kind of Tweaks or Setbacks that people might encounter that are totally normal part of training And that any coach every coach that's working with a client is going to encounter Somebody that tweaks their back or tweaks their knee or this hurts or that hurts and kind of helps people feel Or helps coaches feel like they've got you know, maybe permission to Work around some of those things right and I think one of the things that makes you nervous To try to help someone through an injury Is maybe you're not sure what's good pain and bad pain What's what's dangerous and what's not and I think that's one of the things because because we obviously don't want to go to the Other extreme too I've unfortunately seen some strength coaches like try to take someone who had a knee replacement like two weeks ago And try to get them squatting and it's really too soon. So, you know, we go over some of those basic things Like what how long does it take soft tissue to heal after surgery? Like those types of things so that you at least feel a little more confident to guide someone You're certainly not giving medical guidance to anyone But let's face it like you don't run to the doctor for every single little thing And so as a strength coach if you're trying to help someone navigate this process of becoming healthier and stronger You're gonna have to help them navigate some of those things and and you don't want to you don't want to go to the extreme Where you just like think you can fix everyone either because we definitely don't want to do that But um, nor are we trying to practice like physical therapists But I think a good strength coach has some tools to try When their client has something come up that's you know, painful or wrong or a tweak But if you know and you're pretty confident like This is something that's out of my scope of practice and they can go to someone else Versus like I'm just afraid to try anything like that's what a good strength coach can do right They can kind of navigate that that mountain because people are very different And anatomy is very different and that's and the more you recognize. I think We look at a coach who doesn't really recognize differences in anthropometry at first when they first learn to start Coaching the squat they think someone's too upright or too too horizontal. It can be the same thing with an injury You're like it can look the same to you at first since you start looking a little deeper and recognizing like Ah, this probably isn't that bad of a tweak if they can move around like this and they can do that You're like, hey, let's try this and they do fine with it Then the trainee is confident to take the next step and so are you so that's what this class is kind of designed to do And it's it's interesting you mentioned that one of my best friends is a oral surgeon And every once in a while I've talked to him about anatomy and he's and I was I think I was talking about Netters at one point and how useful those drawings were and cool and and he said yeah, and he said one of the most amazing things about that is that You know, everyone's anatomy is different And so he was able to create these images that make things look like everything's in its place and like he's sort of Netter sort of compiled from I think I believe Doing a lot of autopsy work and cadaver work These images that are very easy to digest mentally, but in reality Every single human has a things are in a slightly different place or certainly different shape Yes, to me, that's the most fascinating part about anatomy. Um, and In getting ready for this class because actually anatomy Most of the anatomy drawings you see like x-rays are pretty easy to find or like pictures of of real bones and things like that But you know most anatomy sources are an artist's rendition Of what the body looks like so that's why I actually encourage students to look at a lot of different ones because it looks It looks surprisingly different like from one artist to the next right not just in my class Just like like real people who published anatomy sources like it can look very different And so if you're studying just one source you may not actually be getting a good mental visual picture of what it is like Mental models. Yeah, exactly Um, and one of the fun things that actually has happened this week is I actually was like, hey guys I need some calf meat for pictures. I like pulled the black coaches Um, and so everyone was having fun with it and kind of flexing their calves and posting pictures to me to use for the class But even with that it's amazing the anatomical difference between our black coaches who train right who have like pretty strong legs Compared to the average population There's amazing differences and have a soleus and the plant areas and the gas strikes are even aligned and attached On the on the limbs. So it's pretty fun.  We have a coach so strong so strong A uh, he's a lightweight, you know, he's a he's I think under 200 pound But squatting something on the order of like three or four times potty weight Um, just ridiculously strong, but has zero calves The calves are like a mystery because um, like you've I've heard some people say that if you've been heavier You have bigger calves like it's a weak thing But I don't think it's true across the board I've seen some pretty thin people with like gigantic calves and some heavy people with small calves So, um, it's a very interesting and we actually go into the class about like the difference between the soleus and the gas rocks and fast fibers and slowfish fibers because there is a big difference between them, but Um, those are the types of things that if you kind of become more familiar with When you watch someone move it makes more sense, right? So out of this class Do you think people will be able to learn how to grow their calves? Well, I don't I thought I knew how to do that. I would Be rich because I know like even my husband would probably like to have that happen Um, but and he's very strong too crazy strong But yeah, the calves are a difficult and interesting one to train But they definitely can take tons and tons of volume for sure. They can be very functional even though they're small we've uh We've talked a little bit about like conceptually what the classes is like and I don't know if we've mentioned it yet But you've actually just started a new role as a curriculum curriculum developer So you're going to be doing more and more of these o le these online learning environment classes Can you share a little bit about maybe the more more of the mechanics of not just this class But the future classes like what is it that uh, you know, what platform are we using? what's it going to feel like for the student to uh To sign into the website and like what does that look like? Right? so So i'm super first of all i'm super excited about the newest version of the academy curriculum too It's been really awesome working with cj and you and carl like developing That it's I think it's it's a great improvement And I'm I mean it was only the first kind of rough draft So those of you that are going through those students that are going through it with rough draft Thank you, but uh, it's actually pretty good already and I'm really excited about how good it's going to be um, so we are going to have Parts of that curriculum be in this online format Um, but also what we hope to do is we have this great collection of coaches at black They have all these different areas of expertise And so what we want to have happen is we want to make their knowledge more captureable to Everyone out there so they can actually go onto the barba logic website They can buy a class that's going to go right into your cart as soon as you Purchase the class you begin learning at your own pace. So the class will be open to you With all those things that I've learned as far as how adult learners learn we want to make all of it super interactive Something that you can invest just a little bit of time in each week or each each day Depending on how fast you want to go through it to your pace your own pace And you're going to gain, you know, something very practical that you can take to your lifting your coaching um and in Both we're talking about topics like nutrition biomechanics probably some injury specific ones Really when we think of who we have at black as far as the knowledge of coach the experience of coaches that we have There's a ton of things we keep doing with online education. And so I'm super excited my role is Curriculum developer and just because I have a little bit of leg up on everybody else with like the actual class Nuts and bolts like how to build a class I'll actually just be the person who takes the content and other coach writes and helps them develop it into an online class And so that's gonna be my role the student then would I mean I'm just trying to get down to the like the nitty gritty They're gonna they log into the website and then it's like do they have to download an app or is it it's like all through Our website. No the beauty of it.  So One of the faults of our On our master's class education in the past has been that people want to take the class But they might live on the other side of the world and it's nighttime whenever they want to take the class So they can't or you know, it's in the middle of work Whatever this is actually going to be Accessible to everyone immediately as soon as they buy it and you can log in log out And it's right there on the barba logic website. And what kind of You know, one of the things I've noticed is that you've created a lot of different content and and again learning strategies You know, what does what would a student expect to interact with? Um, since they don't have an instructor to talk to what have you done to try to make it more Interactive in that format Right. So there's still there still are like assignments to turn in So you might upload a drawing for example for anatomy But there are instruct like short instructional videos um, there's also Matching and learning activity games. There's actually video breakdown That you can like hover and go step by step through a lift and I kind of understand why this person's experiencing hip impingement, for example Um for the anatomy class So we're hoping to use there's lots of different visual presentations of the material as well So if you look at something and the concept does not Pop out at you right away You're going to be able to look at it in a different way and hopefully that's going to help as well And there's still a way to contact the instructor with questions So like if you really stuck, you know, there's you can still there's an email address To contact someone and get get some help with whatever concept you might be stuck with And we're still inviting everyone who's taking this into our academy slack channel as well So people will be able to interact with the other the broader academy population Yeah, and that's a that's a huge asset as well Like if you're out there and you want to coach barbell lifts And you don't really know very many other coaches who coat who want who coach the barbell lifts the way that you want to coach them Taking an online class and getting into that community is Such a precious resource because we have so many coaches who are you know going from starting wanting to start up a business And how do you do that? How do you start an LLC? How do you do like you can ask any question to any coach in our network? Which is a huge asset to buy one of our classes awesome well What where can people find you Becca if they want to are you uh, are you on the social medias and I am on instagram. I am at Becca and barbells. So it's spelled b e k a h and barbells My gym is called creak strength k r i e g Um strength and we actually that's our website name as well So if you want to look us up on the web, we're in the middle of Pennsylvania So come and see us if you are in our area You can also Email me at our creak at barbell object.com if you have questions about the education experience specifically Very cool. And then like we said the Functional anatomy for the strength coach lower extremity is available at barbell logic dot com on our coaching development page Go look that up if you are interested in trying out our online learning environment We also are going to be launching a new facebook group for coaching academy Folks, so stay tuned and keep your eyes out for that Anything else we want to make sure people will know about I guess stay tuned also for more master classes coming out soon that you're going to be working on Yes, I've actually already got asked about that. So we I'm I think I would anticipate that we're we would launch at least Two to three more classes by the end of 2020 awesome Very cool. And then and then uh on the roadmap is also going to be a full launch of the Academy of curriculum in this format as well as we're what we'll be building towards Absolutely. Yep. Very excited about that Thank you for uh taking time out of your saturday morning to chat about this Really excited to see how things go And uh to the listeners. Thank you for listening to another episode of barbell logic Hope you have a great uh weekend father's day weekend all shout out to all the dads out there And happy father's day. We will uh see you next time on barbell logic