Welcome to Sheboygan County government working for you. My name's Adam Payne, County Administrator, and with me is Chairman Tom Wagner. We both co-host this program, and every month strive to focus on a different area of responsibility, and we are so pleased to have our finance director with us today, Wendy Scharnen. Welcome, Wendy. Thank you. Wendy's now been with us, I think, two years. Just a little over two. Just a little over two years, so she has now gone through her second annual budget process, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate Wendy's leadership and the role she provides Sheboygan County. She's building a strong team in the finance department, and today we're gonna talk a little bit about the roles and responsibilities of the finance department, and of course our annual budget development process, which is just wrapping up. So Wendy, let's start with a softball. Tell us a little bit about yourself and your background. I graduated from Sheboygan North High School. I received my diploma in accounting from Lakeland. I went north, though, first to start working. I worked with the United Tribe as their financial controller, and I moved then to the Brown County. I became their project manager for their financial systems implementation. Believe it or not, when Wendy and I were in grade school for a very short period of time, we attended the same grade school in Cleveland. I won't say who's older, but we attended the same grade school in Cleveland for a few months when my parents were transitioning, moving back to the state of Wisconsin. Well, it's wonderful to have you here, and Tom and I really appreciated the leadership that you and your staff have provided, particularly with the budget development process of late. Please set the stage. Share a little bit about the roles and responsibilities of the finance department. In a broad sense, the finance department is responsible for the integrity of the financial information, because we're an essentialized type of operations with the county. This department also is handling all the accounts payable, all the accounts receivable, fixed assets, general ledger work. We are in control of the internal control policies and procedures, and that's how we guide ourselves through the transactions and keeping them the integrity of such. The heavy lifting though for this department really is in the consolidations when we're preparing for the annual audit reports and also in the compilation of the annual budget. Yeah, that is heavy lifting, and I'm so thankful that you and your staff do that. The budget development process, which let's get right to the meat of things here, this is an annual process more or less because we already start thinking about it in January, February, kick it off in June, but set the stage for our viewers. How does the budget process, essentially work or get rolled out, and who's all involved? Like you indicated, this is almost an entire year long process. We start in February, the county administrator, works with the county chairman in setting the initiatives, setting the goals and objectives. Then I work with the county administrator through March, a little bit into April, where we analyze the impacts, negative and positive, to attending the initiatives that have been set, and also just for sustaining our operations, we have to take all that into effect. We work collaboratively with the executive committee and the finance committee, all through, say, April and May, where the refinement of that budget is happening within those committees, along with what you're indicating with the chairman. We, excuse me, lead ourselves then into the leadership forum, where the county board has the opportunity to weigh in on all the initiatives and the preliminary targets that are there. They have the opportunity to change or challenge anything that's been established. We also, at that leadership forum, go through the previous year's performance and how we ended up. It's a very collaborative and it's a very important meeting, I think, and it happens early on in the process. From the leadership, we then go into your nuts and bolts. We go into the kickoff and the department heads are provided their preliminary targets and the initiatives that we want them to meet. Even through this process, then the department heads are refining even more with their liaison committees. Prior to the budgets coming to the finance committee where there is a final approval by the finance committee to introduce that budget to the county board. And you said it a couple of times. I think collaboration has really been the key to our success. By the end of the process, everyone has had an opportunity for input. Their fingerprints are on it. And I think it's one of the reasons when we get to the final budget approval, which will happen here on November 7th, that folks generally feel pretty good about it. There isn't a lot of angst or discussion generally at that last meeting because there was so much throughout the fall. Wendy, in your experience, and as you said, you worked for Brown County, you worked for the Oneida. Another tribe of Indians. Another tribe of Indians prior to that. You have a lot of background with budget development and financial background. How would you put into context our budget process or the approach? What's your impression after now being involved for the last two years? It is the input and the points of input that is provided to the county board. Where I was coming from, there wasn't a lot of inclusiveness during the entire process, which is a key thing here for Sheppard County is why this budget works so well. It's one of the smoothest processes I've ever been involved with. I really didn't know how she was gonna answer that question.  I was feeling pretty good about it too, but I didn't know, so I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that, and obviously we take pride in our collaborative teamwork here, and I appreciate that, and you've contributed more to it. Well, with that, let me turn it over to Chairman Wagner. Right, just a comment on that. There obviously is leadership in the different committees and the executive committee, et cetera, but top-down really doesn't work that well, and we try and involve people at all the levels, and I think that ends up, the process is better, and certainly in particular, I think the product is better, which is really what the goal is. So thank you for being here today, and thank you for being with Sheppard County. Years ago, Sheppard County experienced like a 5% increase in equalized valuation, and that wasn't totally uncommon, but more recently, we haven't. Could you talk about what is equalized valuation and how that affects our budget process? Equalized value is the basis in which we use to allocate out the county property tax levy. The equalized valuation system is developed by the state where the state is looking more towards the entirety of a city or the entirety of a township or village to assess and figure evaluation that is more equitable or more even for when we distribute the county taxes. Equalized value then is used to divide against the property tax levy that the county has to establish the county tax rate. We are experiencing a 5% increase again this year. Last year, though, we only experienced a 1% increase. Right, and that's obviously very important. And please qualify that a 5% increase in equalized value is not necessarily mean a 5% increase in our total levy. That is correct. That was the equalized value increase. Absolutely, yes. We've got, the state has imposed property tax limits on the county. Could you talk about how that affects our budget process and what we do? There are two ways that the county can increase the property tax and one is through what is called net new construction. In the simplest terms, it would be you have a construction of a new building and then at the same time, you have a demolition of a building. And what the calculation is, is taking the net effect of both of those events. With that growth factor that the state is the one that calculates this. With that growth factor is used is the allowable increase that we are able to do with the property tax levy. The second way we're able to increase property taxes is through debt obligation, the debt service obligation, which realistically, we don't have a limitation on that part of it. Getting back to a little bit what Adam was talking about, the 2018 property tax rate and the levy, you want to talk about that? The property tax rate and the levy. 2018's property tax levy is, I want to say it's an increase of 660,000, that's what you're asking right now. Right, it's 1.38%. 1.38 is our, I believe it is. Is the levy increase. Increasing the tax rate increase, yeah. Correct, the levy increase is 1.38. The net new construction though was an increase of 1.72%. There were some reductions that we've seen by use of the sales tax for direct property tax relief and the debt obligations, so. Right, well thank you. And the tax rate, to follow up on your question, levy is going to go up as proposed 1.38%. The tax rate is actually coming down. It is actually coming down. When you see an increase in the equalized value, that increase is generally going to relate to a decrease in the tax rate. And on the county share, if it goes up 1.38, doesn't mean each person will see that because it depends on the valuation of their property. They could see a little more than that or a little less than that, depending on how their equalized valuation has been for that particular year. So it's. That is correct. Yeah. And depending on whether or not they have a library. Correct. Another factor, yes. The state budget impact on our county budget. You want to talk about that a little bit? The state impacts us with, we receive shared revenues from the state. We also receive state aides in transportation. We receive state grants in our health and human services area. So anytime the state has any decreases in these areas, it's a direct impact to us and whether or not we're able to sustain the services that we are providing currently. The state also imposes mandated services. And sometimes they don't necessarily fully fund these services that they mandate that we provide. Or if they do fund it, they'll slowly pull back on that funding and transfer that burden to the taxpayers of the local property tax levies. Some of the mandated services also are tied to fees that only the state regulates or has the control of increasing. And we haven't seen that the revenues are increasing at a steady enough rate to offset the expenses that we've been incurring. That is always a little bone of contention with local elected officials. And we have a very good relationship with our state legislators who I believe do a good job for Sherbrooke County. But unfunded mandates is something that we have to provide that we're not receiving either the ability to fund it directly from the state is a problem for counties and other taxing entities. No question about it. About a half percent sales tax. We passed that, that took effect January one of this year. Could you talk about how that's affected our budget process and just the county in general? Well, the sales tax revenues have to be used for transportation capital projects, transportation capital equipment or for direct property tax relief. So the effect that we've had is that the direct property tax relief we're using one million in the 2018 budget to reduce or to actually assist with the debt service obligations that we're facing. With the transportation's capital projects no longer needing to be funded through financing. Our borrowing is lower. So we will eventually get to a trend where our debt service is gonna start to come down quite a bit.  You don't see that right away but that'll be a very positive thing for Sherbrooke County and the taxpayers in general. Our last question that I have, what are some of the biggest challenges that you face in your position relative to the budget? Relative to the budget. Or anything else for that? Well, relative to the budget forecasting I can see that the biggest challenge still remains to be able to stay updated with the market, with our workforce. Just to provide modest increases for our workforce then that new construction increases aren't even covering that portion of it. And then we're all facing such increases in the healthcare where we're always facing a gap every time that we're going into a new cycle. Thank you. And that's a good segue because personnel costs obviously are a big part of our total budget. To summarize, our total budget as proposed is about 149 million and I believe about 48 million of that is property tax levy. The rest are state resources, federal resources, grants, what have you. So we really keep it a close eye on that property tax levy but in total, we're upwards of nearly $150 million budget supporting about 207 programs and services. And we have 825 employees who really do excellent work. And to Wendy's point, just providing CPI increases, modest pay increases or absorbing health insurance increases becomes increasingly difficult when you have net new construction increases that aren't enough to even cover that. So a lot of teamwork has gone into streamlining, establishing priorities, consolidating. And I think some of our viewers would be surprised to know just what's happened with our personnel costs over the last 10 years. Could you touch on that please Wendy? Certainly our personnel costs, and this would include the fringe benefits for 2018 is 69.8 million. Back in 2006, that figure was 84.4 million. So through the streamlining and consolidations that have occurred in the county, we've been able to reduce that cost by 14.6 million. So our costs are actually less today than they were 10 years ago. Some folks quickly, when I share that with people, quickly say, well you privatized your nursing homes, Sunny Ridge, which did have a big impact on that. But we were subsidizing our nursing homes to the tune of over $6 million a year. And now we have one healthcare center, Rocky Knoll, which is doing tremendous. And the subsidy has been closer to 6,700,000. In fact, the last couple of years, they've come in with essentially a balanced budget without using that subsidy. So tremendous progress has been made. But I always tell people, and Chairman Wagner certainly knows it as our finance director, nearly every department in the county has made enhancements, garnered efficiencies. I think we have about eight or 10 different areas that have been consolidated. And it's been one of the keys to our success in holding down the property tax levy and keeping those personnel costs down. Right, I would just follow up a little bit if you don't mind on, you know, Rocky Knoll's been doing very well financially and that's really important. But at the end of the day, the most important thing that Rocky Knoll does is provide services to the people who are patients there. And that's the most critical thing that they've been doing a wonderful job on. And in my opinion, also relative to the, you know, our difference between our budget and the levy, I think there are some viewers who maybe not be as up to the fact that, you know, we're really an arm of the state government. If you look at our health and human services department, our budget, they really provide so many services that our state mandated. Also a simple thing like plowing roads in winter, whether it be on the interstate or Highway 23, it is our vehicles that are out there because the state of Wisconsin really doesn't do that. They contract with us to do that and they rely on us to keep the roads clear in winter, et cetera. So that's an important part that I think that why there is that difference between the main budget and our local levy at least one of the reasons. Another factor in our budget that Wendy's well aware of because Wendy and her team helped lead that process is our five-year capital planning process and being sure we're planning for infrastructure improvements. A major one's going on at JN67 with our new transportation complex. But Wendy, please touch on that five-year capital plan process and how that impacts the overall budget. Well, the process is early on, again in the budget development where the department heads are submitting their planned capital projects for the course of five years. Some of them are earmarking and they work through their liaison committees and saying that we're believing that this is a need that we have. Now, even though it might not be this year's need, we certainly wanna see what that perspective is in five years so that we can plan towards it. This year, we're going to be bonding for 7.1 million to handle our capital projects. But again, this includes the second phase of the transportation complex. Involved also, part of the 7.1 is also the construction of a garage, a maintenance garage, after we sold the properties on Pennsylvania Avenue, which is gonna be further developed, I believe, for housing opportunities. We have your normal roof replacements that are needed for the county and also we're doing some air quality and air conditioning fixes. HVAC systems. HVAC, yeah. And work at the airport. Those runways and tarmacs. Yes. That takes some real dollars when it comes to enhancing the airport though. We do get a strong federal contribution with that as well. Correct. But the five-year plan, I think, has been one of the keys to our success as well because it's thoughtful. We look five years ahead. Just because it's in the plan doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen, but it's part of that due diligence in exploring the opportunity and working with other stakeholders to make sure it makes sense. I agree. It provides a lot of time that you can do the due diligence and explore the possibility of that project. That's why I like to see it in the out years so that that dialogue can start early. You did a nice job earlier describing the overall budget development process and all of the collaboration internally. And you just touched on the five-year capital planning process, which again, a lot of input and collaboration internally. But how does the public get more engaged? How does the public provide input to the overall budget process or just having input on what programs and services are provided? We encourage participation and there's several ways that a constituent can do so. Our website has all of the agendas posted and all the liaison contacts that they can reach out and they can see when these budgets are moving through the liaison committees, which is their best opportunity because that's where it's being developed and refined. They're provided another opportunity when we post for the public notice. The public notice and our public notice meeting is going to be next week, Tuesday on Halloween, just sort of landed that way. But they're also then provided the opportunity to come to the county board and discuss certain things in that budget that they have questions on or would like to see differently. So there are different avenues that are available to them. Everything's on our website. You can see what's gonna be discussed where and when. Health and Human Services, which is one of our largest departments, providing safety net programs throughout the county, they have their own public hearing where they garner input on where we can refine programs or perhaps need to do more to help people in need. But frankly, I'd like to see more people attend these. We really don't get as much public participation as you might hope or want, but certainly the opportunities are there. Folks just need to get engaged and we welcome that, we encourage that. So next steps, I touched on it briefly and by the time this is shown to a number of folks, November will be in play, but the two big meetings coming ahead to wrap up the budget process are. They are the public hearing, which will be next week, Tuesday, October 31st from the hearing, then it'll go back to the finance committee for final refinement coming from that public hearing. And then the board, it comes to the board November 7th for approval. The apportionments then are all due by November 15th, so that all the municipalities know what that distribution is for the county. Yeah, and then we all take a deep sigh, maybe enjoy the moment for a day or two. A day. Yeah, day. And then we prepare for the end of the year. And then start all over again. Yeah, it's an annual process and one that Chairman Wagner and many of our board members have been involved in for a long time. And I'd like to just summarize, you know, the track record a little bit. If you haven't been following county government or are newer to the community, Tom Wagner, the former chairman, Roger Distruity, our county board has an excellent fiscal track record. If you look at the last 10 years as a whole, we had five years that we reduced the property tax levy. We had some years where we've had modest increases as proposed this year at 1.38%. But if you look at all 10 years, on average each year the property tax levy has gone up less than 1%. And there aren't many other units of government at any level that can state that, that have that kind of track record. And when it comes to holding the personnel cost down, I don't think there are many units of government or private sector businesses, frankly, that can say their personnel costs are less today than they were 10, 12 years ago. So we're proud of our collaborative approach. We have Thanksgiving in front of us. And I tell you, we have a lot to be thankful for in this community. And I'm really thankful to work with a thoughtful county board, a finance director who is as sharp as Wendy is. She's building a great team. And this is an organization that we take pride in. We're proud of the collective work that our staff do to help the community be successful. And I really, I'm thankful to be in this position and to work with so many good people. And I trust you're thankful as well to live and raise your family and work in a county like Sheboygan County. So thank you for your support. Thank you for following these programs. We talked a little bit about Rocky Nolan a minute ago and what a success story that's been. As Tom mentioned, the most important thing that we do there is obviously provide critical care to our residents. Right now we're busting at the seams. Our census there is as high as it's been in years. We just had a state survey that was outstanding and was a real tribute to our outgoing Rocky Nolan administrator, Rachelle Valesky. I mean, she provided wonderful leadership. And next month, Kayla Clinton's gonna be here, our new Rocky Nolan administrator. And not only did she have the chance to work with her shell a little bit before she left, boy, she hit the ground running. So I know you're gonna enjoy meeting her. But Wendy, as you have, you think about your staff and how you allocate them, you have different accountants that work with different departments and just help monitor their budgets and making sure they're keeping on track. Just touch on that for a minute or two, if you would. How is it or what are your expectations of your staff as they keep tabs on Rocky Nolan, tabs on our transportation department and sheriff's department and just make sure that department heads are working within the parameters established by Chairman Wagner and the County Board. Well, sure, we have an accountant dedicated to Rocky Nolan. We have an accountant dedicated to the sheriff and also to the highway because these are our larger operations. The accountants are tasked with monitoring and making sure they're communicating with the directors that they see a problem coming with a variance, possibly that they're seeing in the areas of the appropriations. They also work very closely with the directors when there's a new initiative they want to develop where then they're doing research and trying to crunch some numbers and statistics for them so that they can make the best decision about that initiative. And what I've really appreciated about you and your team is some of us, that financial type work is not necessarily our strength. And even department heads, we've got a number of strong department heads but they really need that assistance as I do with that financial analysis and pulling that all together. And I think you and your staff have done a nice job being able to really boil it down so board members and staff alike can use that information and make thoughtful informed decisions. The finance committee, you provide routine reports to them. What kind of information does the finance committee receive that helps them monitor the budget? We provide a monthly variance report where we're indicating where possible issues might be arising. I like to say that we really haven't had too many issues arising since I've been here, truthfully. We have timing differences so sometimes when you're looking at it we identify when there's a timing difference meaning that we might have the budget there but we haven't purchased something yet so you have a little larger variance but in the end that variance isn't gonna be there. We also provide information on our cash flows and the investments and that's a monthly. And then we also do a quarterly variance reporting to the finance committee which then the department directors are also providing additional detail to any of the variances that they're seeing in the quarterly reports. Well, excellent overview. I hope you have a little better feel and appreciation for the important work of our finance department, Wendy. Thank you so much for being here today. You're welcome. Thank you, Wendy. Thank you for joining us. As I mentioned earlier next month, Kayla Clinton, our new administrator at Rocky Nills is gonna be with us and I know you're gonna enjoy hearing more about Rocky Nill and the good things happening there as Wendy discussed. Our budget process is just about wrapped up and though we are striving to hold the line on property taxes, a modest increase of 1.38% proposed for 2018, even with all that said and done the board and staff are always looking to new initiatives and there are some nice new initiatives in the 2018 budget. And one in particular, the chairman Wagner, his championed, is making sure we're doing more to help people struggling with opioid or heroin addiction. And we've just started a drug court, a treatment center. There's more funding for that. There's more funding for our emergency medical dispatch staff and have they done their wonderful job with that additional training and providing that additional service. Our transportation complex is gonna be completed in the year ahead and that was a huge initiative and investment for our community. And of course, we had the Amsterdam Dunes a number of years ago be purchased and nearly all those funds have not only been recaptured through grants, we're looking to establish a mitigation bank for further development, whether it's extending one of our own roads or airports or the private sector, looking to expand at Sargento or some other local company. So good things happening. Thanks for being a part of it. Thanks for joining us. Have a good Thanksgiving and we'll see you next month.


Fred Lakeland University and the Wilson gym were tonight the muskies take on MSOE in the first conference game of the 2016-2017 season Chris both teams come in on to we had a chance to see Lakeland last week They have some talent they can cut down on the turnovers Yeah turnovers were a big thing and they committed a lot of fouls, but you know the Cross is a really good team We said that last week defending conference champions. They come in here. They're a little bit You know just a little more sharper than Lakeland was last week. I thought and you know as the season progresses You're gonna get a little bit better. I think Lakeland still trying to find themselves a little bit But definitely the turnovers were a big issue especially in that first half as a coach You always hope the team you had the first few weeks of the season is not the same team as you had in the last part of the season The history of the series. This is the 92nd meeting tonight Lakeland has a commanding lead in wins But last year they lost both meetings. So they got their work cut out for them. Yeah, they do It's kind of a weird thing in the season prediction by the coaches Lakeland was picked six and MSOE seven So, you know who knows what we're gonna see at least we got teams are kind of identical and you're right last year MSOE won both games and Now coming in here. It's a fresh start and you know some familiar for maybe some of your fans Is the coach of MSOE Brian Miller? Oh, that was my next question Go ahead Chris Brian Miller was the coach here in Lakeland in the 90s and some very successful teams and Brian and I go way back We used to do some clinics together and things like that when when I was doing some coaching and he's a great guy And he's been down in Lakeland or excuse me MSOE for like 13 years now And you know, he's tried to recruit some kids around the area there You know MSOE's always used to be kind of a tough place to go to school I mean an engineering school and you know, you got it's a really it's a really good school to go to and He's gotten some kids in there that not only are really smart but can play basketball, too So it's Stanford be the MSOE of the West. I think it would be of this cover of the NAC conference That's for sure. I mean you got to be pretty smart to go down there And like I said, he's kind of blended the the the academics and the athletes and he's had some very good teams over the years I was looking at their stats they had online. I believe it was from the UWM game Or maybe it was the Beloit game, but anyway there they had two guys that played one played 29 minutes The other played 22 minutes. They were not starters. They had 16 and 13 points So, you know, you got to wonder he's got a pretty deep bench. You would think at least the go seven deep for sure Yeah, and I was looking at them a little bit in the warm-up. So they got some size as well So, you know, they they had a really nice game the other day against Beloit They were actually leading on the road down there and just got smoked in the second half kind of like Lakeland did in their opener The other day when they played on Northland, you know, they got they did really good in the second half But a bad first half in the cross to they they seem to play the first 18 minutes And then the last 20 or 22 minutes just didn't turn out so good for the muskies looking at the notes on our sheets that we get from the AD and It said 40 free throws by lacrosse last last week when we had the game And we're certainly hoping that there's a little more flow to the contest than last time You had mentioned it Lakeland didn't seem like a step behind lacrosse not quite as quick And we mentioned it a couple times. They need to move their feet on defense. Yeah, they do and again It was you know, I said it on the telecast last week You know officials at the beginning of the year are always told that we're gonna emphasize these things And I think there was a lot of you know bumping in things that as the year progresses That's gonna let it go and even the players were kind of looking at each other a little bit You know, maybe we're gonna probably get a little bit of that tonight because you know again when when officials go to the Meetings and stuff and they read the rules. This is kind of the stuff We're gonna try to change and things so hopefully there'll be a lot left because there wasn't a lot of flow in the game Last week at all and we almost said that there was like 10 more fouls and there was minutes And it's and there was no there was no flow to that game whatsoever so I remember going to those umpire meetings and leaving that leaving the meeting with the rule sheet and everybody Crinkling them up and throw them in the wastebasket. We're gonna step out and we come back We'll have the starting line-ups and a tip-off for tonight's game. It's a short drive from your neighborhood to your nature hood To find a neighborhood park or green space near you visit discover the forest.org you know what guys There's a lot of tree branches and dry brush over here. 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They start Jason Polici number three number 12 is Colin subart number 21 Mac Max Wojcik He did not start last game, but he was one of the kids Chris. I was talking about He played 29 minutes and had 13 points. So he earned his way into the starting lineup tonight Dylan Somerfeld number 42 and number 50 Tegan Miles Are the other starters for There's Aaron Aniston the head coach for Lakeland and the tip is controlled by the muskies Both teams like we mentioned come in on to it's the first conference game of the season So this one means a lot Jump shot from deep in the corner is no good Goes out of bounds a lot of red on those uniforms Chris. Yep, they're bright So what clinics did you and Miller work together? I know they used to have here at Lakeland out here Yeah, out here at Lakeland the Wolf camp used to be out here as well, and we would come out here and I remember working a Milwaukee Bucks camp out here years ago versus layup attempt is up and in for Chris Gavitch What easy Eddie McCall used to come out here with Deso and then now He was old back then. Yep, and then of course Jeff and Joe came into town and that was a nice little group together. There's a Eliza, yeah fadeaway jumper by Wojcik Early action here at the Wilson gym on the campus of Lakeland University Well, at least the weather's turned into a basketball weather again Marty. Yeah, you know, it's nice and cold Short jumper in the lane is up and in by McNeil For a second there I thought the hoop didn't want it Neil had a nice game against the cross Very active in that first half James had 16 points in the first half But couldn't quite get it up to 20 finished with 19 and as he goes I think the team goes too many turnovers for him the other day But that's what he can do. He's pretty special. He had 16 in the first half, but only ended up with I believe 19 20 19 he had he had a free throw at the end to get the 20 right and he didn't Couldn't put it in his free throw shooting a second half was not very good Another nice shot by Wojcik and you can see why he earned his way into the starting lineup Well, opponents are shooting 50% against Lakeland I think that's something Marty you emphasize quite a bit is They're gonna have to get stops on this end. They're gonna have a successful season and so far It hasn't been that way One of the things that a good defensive team will do is hold on the shooting percentage Just like the other day coming out of the shoot both teams red-hot MSOE three of four and Lakeland four of five Three-point attempt is no good battle underneath Nygard came away with it his second rebound Donald lost it on the way up hit the back of the backboard that'll go as a turnover I guard averaging four and a half rebounds game. He mentioned the other day. He's a local product Gabe we're checking in from Plymouth where is no I got it. Yep, right. I Didn't see any local guys on the roster for MSOE That's a nice move We're right off the bench couldn't get it to go in had a good look Hanging up and putting it in was whose gave it on a good hanger At the top of his jump. I was made aware Chris. Oh, wow Wait check again. He's got six of a documentary that I watched on Netflix called fastball and It was all about the fastball the scientific part of it and I Didn't see who scored that basket That basket was made by McDonald Through the way. Anyway going back to what I was saying is, you know, they say the ball when it was released by the pitcher It always goes on a darn downward arc even on a fastball where it appears to rise And where am I going with all this was saying how that kid was hanging in the air, you know You go up and you come down you don't hang there our officials tonight our Tim Deener Steve loopy and Eric butala and had a nice Chat with those gentlemen prior to the game. Did you find out where they're from? One is that one said he's a safely distant from the deniers of Fond du Lac So I don't think he's from like but no, I didn't Service checks in the ball game his first action 13 to 8 Lakeland on top McNeil with a one for two trip not a good place to give up your grivel son Right there almost a steal that time Yeah, Carlton just quicker to the spot Marty, right? That's that quickness you talked about it at the beginning, you know about moving their feet McDonald doing a nice job of moving his feet. They're not drawing the foul Service shuffled the feet. That was a good call. Chris had it was all over that one way too too many turnovers This year for a Lakeland so far so good. There you see Miller top of your screen in front of his bench 16 turnovers a game Just 13th year at MSOE. Oh boy easy one missed and Service comes away with the rebound and almost looked like a travel by Carlton not called well, they missed service underneath Marty, but they got the basket anyways McNeil Makes a basket. That's his Fourth and fifth point with 421 left in the first half Lakeland on top 15 to 8 32nd timeouts will keep it here We're seeing Better defense a little better shooting too by the muskies very good shooting by the muskies There's six of eight Marty. That's really good shooting. I mean MSOE is at about 50% Marty But they can't stay up with the fish so far. I Know it's early. We're only five and a half minutes in a little over that but Lakeland has not had many turnovers Well, you got him for two one. Yeah, well just threw that one there on that travel. Okay What about when he threw the shot up off the backboard the back of the backboard? Nice shot kind of has a shot Which Miller calls timeout kind of maybe break the mojo and here's something we haven't seen by The muskies in the first half they tried it a little bit against lacrosse, but that was way too late I thought Speaking of changing your defense great guard did a good job of changing his defense Against Tennessee coming out of a timeout in the second half And they don't normally do that. No, they don't play his own much That shot was by James, but he couldn't get it to go and MSOE Look like a block, but they say he got the arm. So picking up the fall is gonna be Brandon James a couple of free throws for Delafos Delafasi Pardon me a Greg pig and he's Not attempted any shots. He's from Nicolet High School. He started the first game Chris Woodchuck might be Might be the person that replaced pig from the first game starting starters There you see Brian Miller Almost a turn on McDonald pushing hard to the basket Couldn't get it service gets away with an over the back or no call a good no call on that Yeah, but good positioning on that region rebound by Boychek there 15 to 10 Lakeland on top Good quick step and shot is blocked We'll check not bashful tonight. Oh Good lot by McNeil holding his ground Campos taking it to the hole Couldn't get the bounce pulling down to the 1240 mark lot quicker a half than last week. Yeah, not Godwood. Yeah, really don't say too much Just two falls in the whole game Whoops three a fall went on McNeil. That's his first Well, we mentioned this before last week seven of the first eight games for Lakeland is at home. This is the third one Next week they go to Edgewood done their home for four more MSOE's next game is Wednesday the 30th they play at Edgewood also long possession here for MSOE. Yes, hopefully they can Lakeland can stop them Shot clock is down to 10 and we get a whistle moving screen by the big fellow He stepped out on that screen Marty and the officials did not Did not appreciate that Not miss it That's miles from Burlington Catholic. They've been a pretty good basketball program. He's a six seven junior number 50 Mitchell school in the ball game number five for the muskies James has it on the wing Dumped on the nigh guard who makes a good pass in the middle of the lane for McNeil You know street for four of a good ball movement that time by the fish to get the easy nice little four-footer there I got going for the steel. He got a little help underneath And then we're gonna get a follow on McNeil unofficially I got both teams with nine guys in the game already that's Both teams go pretty deep Boy, I was pretty tiki-tack that's Second follow there on McNeil. He's been their best offensive player with three buckets and a free throw He's got seven points in the ball game the other day Lakeland had several players with two falls and Aniston wasn't afraid to put those guys back in I Can't remember who the player was but one of them did pick up the third fall So it'll be interesting to see how he handles at this game once again a long possession for MSOE 11 seconds on the shot clock Good step out Well kind of got caught in the air without getting a look at the rim Three ball is good that one by Woczek again. He has nine points Lakeland lead is down to four School trying to drive it in amongst the ball timber and had it blocked. Who did that? Mitchell school. Oh, yeah school. Yeah Three ball again Marty Again is that by me? Yes Kimsey Number 23. No would Woczek again again. Oh, man He Took 17 shots the other day they make one three it was all for four not the same tonight He's five for five that are they was 35% so Somebody used to tell me that if you missed your last five shots shoot the next five because you'll make them 50% shooter Watch this swing here Boom nothing but the bottom of the net Somebody ought to guard him Bobby Knight had a rule some games that you were assigned a player like the team's best shooter He's a good out-setcher. He would say you have no help responsibility You just stay with that guy all the time. I would do that with some of my guys Don't somebody drive to the basket by it don't help.  Oh a 17 to 10 and then back-to-back threes by The Raiders to get them within one It's time for a fish basket. Yeah, exactly Not a good James going here. Yeah, he hasn't done a whole lot Nygard with a nice drive to the basket couldn't get it in service with a turner all putback. He got it Lakeland up three thought serviced it a nice job the other night, too Not too bad Tip away that time lively hands by Chris Gavitch, but not able to save it 943 left in the first half Lossy looking to go to the basket had a shot blocked by James Shot clock at four Deep ball is off. No good. Lakeland comes away with its service with a good play James lost it on the way up. Oh Got stepped on Okay, mr. Right turnover or a shot. I Put that game a shot for that Marty. Okay We'll keep that turnover Turnovers down Good steal Nygard with a dive for the ball and Lakeland's got it back James had everybody faked out including his own teammate McDonald Like he might have got followed on the way up service with an offensive board Chris Kavitch in the lane No Couple of good shot attempts Chris just couldn't get it in I got MSOE with 11 guys in the game now Marty Oh Nice idea. Yeah, good backdoor cut just didn't get it to go Five turnovers now on MSOE and for those of you scoring along at home Mine aren't always exact We just try to be close When I total up the scores. I like it to be close Within a point or two James got those two early baskets has had one for a while. That should be an easy one Yeah, I should have taken it from 10 feet kissed it off the glass Just gave it good luck, but couldn't get it in and Nygard takes an ugly fall to the floor He's sitting up now, but it looked terrible from where we're sitting Two muskies went for the fake and Nygard was the one that got on top the shooter That was so bad Scott doesn't even want to report if he is oh Total flip at the line is Somerfeld is first free throws of the year And we're here to see it And we can judge it we can judge his form Good knee bend good follow-through and kiss it off the glass You got to call that son little more knee bend Marty I Think you should shoot it exactly the same way There you go two for two trip makes it a one-point lead for the muskies now Eight minutes left James coming into the game averaging seven turnovers a game He has zero so far That's a bad pass. Yeah trying to get it to service It would have been a good pass had he been moving towards it, but he was camped out underneath Hard to slip it through by slip it through three defenders Pig had it for a moment Good shot fake Look like service may have committed a fall, but no call making the good move was a Darville Gonna get a blocking fall on that one This four follows a piece now Marty Excuse me. That's just a third on MSOE Pig commits his first fall. They're calling it on Somerfeld 32. I believe not pig I thought it was on 42 Marty That's what I said 42 Somerfeld Carlton That fall on the way in late will keep it that evens up the falls scoreboard Chris There's a hold And that's three fouls in about two seconds Which Miller not liking that but that was an easy one to you can't grab the guy Somerfeld picked up that second fall and now he has two And the Raiders MSOE have four and a two-pointer by James is good Three of five Lakeland up three There's a turnover. It's gonna be an over and back. Oh, well, how can you not call it? And no What checks gonna get called for the fall. We didn't like it and Lakeland looked a little disjointed the last couple of possessions Chris Offensively yes, but they're at the line chance to extend that three-point lead Bailed out on fouls as MSOE's committed for And under a minute and a good shot of Pat McDonald just gonna say an 80% free throw shooter Didn't look close to an 80% free throw shooter on that one. No, we're bringing in three different subs at time Lakeland is a two for four at the line so far tonight Which Miller's played 12 already. Well, MSOE is four for four We're getting my guard there. Yep, Paul goes on Eric Nygaard Lakeland Brian Miller LSU LSU MSOE for 13 years A long time Nygaard out with his two fouls McNeil was back in Kaminsky in from Sheboygan played at Sheboygan North last year Good pass Shot is up and in by Pig Sam's played a total of seven minutes this season Trying to get his Field of the college game Just like being from a freshman to a senior in high school freshman a senior in college big difference Service trying to back in Little half hook is no good Coming away with it for MSOE was Kermsey Well, three ball is good by Wachek again First lead of the game for that. Was it? That was 23 Marty Take that back Kermsey with the three 23 to 22 Where's your list here? Which one you want? Anyone got it Lakeland no threes MSOE has three threes and You mentioned how well Lakeland was shooting Really hasn't been necessarily bad shooting the last few minutes. They've just been bad offense Yeah, they haven't gotten any open looks. They were so smooth to start the game No shooting for they're almost 80 percent, but they haven't made a lot of baskets since What I try to do my score sheet is Based on four quarters and an overtime so I have five columns and what I try to do Chris is In the second quarter column, I'll use that for the second ten minutes of the half and Lakeland only has three points one basket and we've got almost five minutes in Well, they only got ten baskets in the game and they had those quick Four right away. You get a good shot Richard Bartson running that top camera Sarah Ballsers on the floor camera She's got mail off our director in the truck Chris Wright doing the color and I'm the play-by-play guy Mike Martin Lakeland shooting 45 percent in the game 46 on the season. So just about at their average Little better ball movement there McDonald had a good look couldn't get it But picking up the loose change and putting it in was Chris Kavich Driving shot is no good, but the put-back is that basket was by Collins subart They're calling them Siebert. So we will too leading score for them at minutes played with 35 James on a nice driving layup shot. He's got eight Very clean back on top by one whenever the fish need something go to James And there was an easy picking up his pivot foot travel Siebert committing the violation Lakeland back up by one Under five minutes though Been a pretty quick half Chris. Yep McDonald inside the yard couldn't get it in Pig came away with it kick out pass and The shot attempt by Siebert is no good James from outside the line his shot is no good pretty quick offense Miller saying slow it down What do you think of that last shot by James? Pretty quick. Oh, you had to go to open shot. That's him Oh boy They get contributions from a lot of guys. I got that one Darville 34 that's what I had His first basket of the season school trying to go baseline but prevented from No place to go. That was not a good good move there good cut by James Shot clock violation Seeing how James is gonna get that turnover and that's not his fault That was school and his thing and that's the senior there. I Think he thought he was fall should he got the fall call and And Larry coming here.  He has five points And going hard to the hoop was Siebert. Oh, boy a high flyer that time And where was the defense Marty? turnover by McDonald and Kaminsky is gonna get called for the fall No, that post player for MSOE when he got the ball. He knew exactly what he was gonna do. Yep Saw the freshman on him not as bulky He was able to force him right out of the way to At first I thought it could have been an offensive fall It's a nice little inbound play But quickness Siebert going baseline scores again. He's made his last two This cave. It's not able to get baseline miles doing a good job preventing them Service had a good look couldn't get the jump hook to go Three-point lead by MSOE boy. They were stuck on 10 for ever and now they're at 31 just like that Colossi trying to take it to the hoop couldn't get it in And the jump shot by Darville is no good and Lakeland comes away with it. See if they can get some offense I would have really added to the tough stretch for the muskies Nygard shot is off the rim hard Darville gets the rebound Under two minutes left in the half Boy Lakeland looks so good the first five six minutes, but it's really changed We've seen that before drive down kick out Just switch positions there 10 seconds left on the shot clock Colossi looking to take campus on the dribble spin move in the lane. Wow That was sweet Colossi started the game tonight Chris, but hasn't played a whole lot of minutes Donald trying to take it in the lane does but too many tall guys around them to get it up to the rim Sebert again seen that before that's been opened all night and that goes back to the opening Marty Where you mentioned you need to have the defense right now. There is none. He started off so good Yeah, they're just getting beat back down the floor Sebert's a big guy and he's one of the taller kids out there. I get James back. Well, it's too late now Service kick out the campus three ball off the glass is no good Under 40 seconds left We're gonna get a charge Darville with a good idea, but got to get under better control Good coaching decision this time bring James and McNeil. I know McNeil has those fouls, but now it's an offense defense situation Swine to McNeil. You just can't pick up that extra foul now. We still have a shot clock Situation Chris there's 34.9 seconds left Shot clock the course 30 seconds but The muskies should take it all the way down take that shot clock down. Don't give The Raiders much of the chance to Get the last shot of the half Going where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? A smart move by Campos that time Sebert wanted it but couldn't get it. Lakeland has it back with five seconds left Or to McNeil his jump shot from the wing is good to end the half and they needed it. They needed it We're at halftime MSOE up 35 31. How's the play date and sleepover? Awesome, okay. I'm on my way. Hey guys, what are you doing? I love you. Hi, babe. How was school today? Okay, honey, I'll be home soon Remember you're never too far away from your kids to be a dad reach out and take a second to check in Because sometimes the smallest moments you have the biggest impact on a child's life This is the moment I knew His future had no boundaries. 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Let me just Yeah, this is all the people at risk for pre-diabetes and way over here busy moms Getting ready to start second half action here at Lakeland University MSOE on top 35 31 Chris what do you got for shooting percentages and rebounds and that sort of thing well the thing that stands out for me Marty is the MSOE almost shot 50% which we talked about defense is important. Lakeland was just 14 of 34 They were all for 600 three-pointers, but not to be denied Joshua McNeil hit that three for Lakeland's only three-pointer at the end of the half But that was big instead of having a seven-point deficit of the half only trailing by four I Think what Scott has is the live stats at Lakeland produces Wow And he's picking that up a little bit hard to read But I like the way the announcers do it better. Well, that's pretty nice right there Pretty soon. We can just insert computer things in for voices and then You can just talk and I have to pull my head down all the time I was gonna say put the computer thing get rid of us. Oh, no, not that Robo announcers little love Schubert shot is in and he was fouled Well, that's a plan play Marty nice little screen off there back door cut you clear the guys away I always used to run a little play like that as well in high school But that one got a got away with it coming right out of half That's when you're a coach and you say oh, look at that's just how we drew it up and whoops But it didn't finish it and they come off with an offensive rebound and putting it up and in for MSO He was Alex Darville. He's starting the second half Marty. Yeah, he had two points in the first half. I Had him for three rebounds They had him for four. So Now he's got five McNeil taking it hard to the basket and scores Now make nails up and pretty solid Marty. That's his 12 points. He's five or six from the floor Finish the half with that three-point basket really helped out. Yep, er Darville And they had Schubert on the line trying to save it So Lakeland will get it back even though it went off of Brandon James Darville that's not the shot you want to take there your first second three-pointer of the season nice lead Here we go. Oh James trying to get it up and in couldn't do it has a short jumper from the baseline put that one up and in James Brandon James with ten points. Yeah, Chris gonna say average coming in at 22 This gave it just guarding Schubert. I don't know if that's a good match up or not Chris My guard out hustled for the ball now. They're gonna get a foul on Lakelands mark Chris Kavich Slapping at the ball, that's a second foul Both of them here in this half. There's another nice play and it works to perfection Someone's supposed to be there That's poor defense.  Yeah, really Darville with three offensive rebounds in the first minute and a half to start the second half Lossy one to drive it again, but too much traffic Good job by Nygaard cutting off the cutter Schubert gives it off I defeated to his teammate and it got tipped right back to him Nygaard finally comes away with the rebound another one of those long offensive possessions Chris There's been a lot of those for the Red Raiders. I was thinking the same thing James. Oh had a good line on it, but it just didn't go in Taking a win I think call that on MSOE What? Lossy picks up the fall First team fall I think what happened Chris was the ball got stolen away And then I thought effort to get a crappy fall I thought after the steal that he followed because of got the steel because of the foul so oh that way, okay before that McDonald bringing it up About 17 and a half minutes left McDonald quick shot nails the three lucky there Lakeland needed that man like that shot Marty didn't look like he was all squared away, but Fortunately for the Fisher within one Oh boy Taking it to the hoop was Colossi and he gets followed on the shot attempt. He'll be shooting a pair of free throws MSOE was a four for four in the first half on their free throws shooting. They missed their first attempt here in the second half So there are four for five in the game Well, Lakeland only had six fouls in the whole half. They got four in the first Three minutes here Marty who in an empty trip Lucky really Over three in the second half After going four for four in the first while they're shooting only 63% from out there. That's not good this. It's automatic James on a good drive dishes it off to his teammate McNeil and he puts it up and in 14 points for Joshua fade away is good That one by Colossi. Oh strange time out there, but 41 to 40 there you see No, we're talking to the troops. He's not happy. They're not playing very good right now Especially on the defensive end while they had a nice lead and then they have a turnover miss couple missed free throws and Big three and a nice Penetration and dish for an easy layup got the fish right back in it No, we talked about guys being hot and cold Max Weitschek had 12 points in the first 10 minutes of the first half Scored since he hasn't even hardly taken any shots in no, I don't have any He was five. I had a five for five. What did they have they have five for five? You know who they said was the only guy that could stop Michael Jordan Dean Smith His coach. Hey, that's what's happening here Miller just isn't putting them in James got around you see him put his head down and duck down underneath the defense Wow, and he's quick. We've seen that before He's a matchup problem for all the teams that he plays Schubert got hacked going in the lane. No call, but he got it to his teammate Summerfeld who put it up and in Rolling down to the 16 walk They're gonna call a foul on the way in terms he picks up the fall They've traveled because of the foul, sorry about that.  They're up by one and McNeil picking up the fall. That's not a good one third third 16 minute mark whenever Seebert gets the ball number 12. He is looking to go to the hoop. That's where he's uh, yeah Earned his living tonight. He's had 16 shot attempts already tonight Marty Three ball attempt by a pig is no good and Lakeland comes away with it Good defensive possession McDonald McNeil in the lane couldn't get it in tough break Schubert Stolen away McDonald tipped it away James Scores it is fouled Colin Siebert's gonna pick up the fall and James is gonna get the three-point attempt the old-fashioned way James now seven of 12 from the floor. Look at it. There's the effort earlier. Watch this steal Donald do it may might have been night guard much too much dribbling by pig. Oh Nice shot dribbling into two guys.  He's out in front of the group lays it up and in He's getting hot at the right time 1550 left 1455 left in the ball game Lakeland goes up three Third turnover of the half Driving shot by Woodchuck is no good And then we get a follow on Woodchuck. Pardon me Siebert Been a good two-minute run here by Lakeland Trailing sparked by Brandon James we thought would be the impact player Let me correct myself. Woodchuck did get the follow Chris and it's his third Wow Here he goes James. Oh, there's a travel By Carlton the auntie That's just seven turnovers tonight. He mentioned in the opening. They had to cut down on turnovers. They were averaging 16 a game I knew you'd be interested. Oh, yeah, deep balls. No good Lakeland comes away with it Cave it's trying to make the cross court pass to James, but threw it away Siebert Good pass inside but passing up the shot was Darville Said they're gonna go for a nice easy layup by summer felled That was a sweet move Chris Summer failed with no points coming into the game. It's got six tonight. Yep Couple baskets the auntie Carlton in the ball game Along with Chris Kavich and James with a three ball Glancing off the rim. I thought that was right on Marty. It was just was not quite high enough Darville couldn't get it in Woodchuck Jump shot from the lane No good And Lakeland comes away with a good hustle by James a good ball movement by the muskies James Three couldn't get it to go in good look good look driving lamp attempt is no good Chris Kavich got it just above the sweet spot and went off his tummy out of bounds Boy Lakeland is getting point. Excuse me MSOE again point blank layup attempts and they can't put it in Breaks for the fish. They still lead by one. We saw that in that girls game prior to this Several times where they had shots right in front of the basket couldn't get it in school Couldn't get on his man and making the basket was curbsy a two-pointer MSOE up by one now Donald gets it into McNeil spinning Driving and scoring. Oh, man. Why was that a nice move? You're gonna get a lot out of McNeil curbsy Gives it off good ball movement by MSOE Curbsy got away with a push-off there right in front of the official to 16 foul This Kavich picks up his second foul His third pardon me all of them here in the second half to Miles put his head down couldn't get it in and Nygard strong pulling it away from two MSOE players Lakeland has it up one seven rebound for Nygard Panther strikes Donald Appears to be out of control somewhat, but At least that's how it appears to me all goes on Gabe where We're got a few minutes in in the first half seeing some action here Jacob service in the ball game And James comes back in He's got Santa floor Marty When he was off the floor James in the end of the first half there everything fell apart Service and James lost it Sebert. Oh Nice layup attempt going full speed laid it sweetly off the glass and now The Raiders are up by one off the turnover James Palasi Fall on James Plasti'll be at the line shooting a pair for James. That's his third fall Chris You gotta watch him and McNeil both have three Timeout Lakeland. Yeah, good time out by coach Anand sin And again, you know, we saw this in the first half Lakeland really had good offense going here in the second half and now the last few trips down. It's just Hasn't been there right well They've had some shots James had some shots had just missed If you those go in everything changes now back-to-back turnovers, you know, they've only had Four turnovers in the half and fortunately the last two possessions in a close game We'll stand out a little bit more They were actually doing quite well with the turnovers till you said something. What's our next game? Actually our next game will be December 5th. We're back out here. This will be our last trip out to Lakeland When UW Sheboygan comes out to play the Lakeland JVs There is a rumor going around that Tom DeSatell is going to be part of the WSCS announcing crew Scott wanted to put them on a camera and so did you and I but Richard and Sarah said no They did not want to come over by the table and announce with us Hey the fans those are the same guys that were here last time They're not quite as of Luciferous as they were the other night. Well, it's a little early yet We've got to get them under about the five-minute mark. That's when their presence is felt They were definitely proactive during the end of the girls game. Yes They got a chance to beat Yeah, right. Yeah, they lost by four forty to thirty six minutes of that game They couldn't put any points on the board. That's what kind of hurt them had missed a couple free throws and Just could not get a good shot off Palasi breaks a string of misses by the Raiders here in the second half It's now 51 to 48. I think they still need to run the offense And then in other words what I'm saying is James is still going to be patient let the game come to him That's the guy to go to Neil Not a bad shot. I like that shot Marty just didn't go Schubert puts his head down and barrels in but had to kick it out Good defense by the fish stick with it boys Get the rebound you'll couldn't quite come away with it I was just looking as the action was going on Schubert Sebert had 18 points in 35 minutes in that game The other night against Paloite so he's one of the guys they really look to to Fill a lot of minutes and score some points the concern here is did Sebert's ball hit the rim. I believe it did and then on the rebound Miles got the rebound and the shot clock went off, but they did not re swallow. They're gonna say what? They're called two seconds, so they're saying it did not hit the rim Okay, so two seconds left on the shot clock for MSOE their ball out of bounds Sure, they got a play for this Marty one bounce in a shot and a pretty good look that time by Kermsey, but he couldn't get it to drop and Lakeland needs to score some baskets They've had some trouble shooting the ball. Yeah, they were doing so well now. It's ungotten cold Donald will pull up 12 footer got it in they needed that Donald didn't have a great first half, but two for two here. He's four of 11. Excuse me four of nine in the game All situation is a Lakeland has seven MSOE has five You just rolled under the ten minute mark of the second half Wow Sebert slips to defenders and takes it to the hoop and he couldn't get it in Wow, he had a good look Chris. He did but I thought the muskies had a good defense McDonald with another one. That's a three ball I thought the fish had really good defense on any somehow split that had a lamp in the missus Well, they gave him a three on that Marty, huh? Yeah, he was outside the line gives him the lead back two-point lead for the muskies Short jumper is up and in by Sommerfeld. He's had a nice night eight points now Three of three from the floor a couple free throws. Here's a hot hand. He's got another one Pat McDonald. Oh Four of four and a half Marty three threes 11 points along with the five in the first He's got 16 points Nice flop not gonna call that bad shot. Yeah, not a good shot attempt there by Gabe where Find McDonald's where is that young man? McNeil taking it to the basket, but he got fouled. I think they're gonna get Palassee on that one see Well McDonald's standing out on the outside so they draw a little more attention out there which creates openings in the lane So Lakeland takes advantage of that Just when things are going so bad for Lakeland next thing you look up on the board. They're up by three Make a couple baskets makes all the difference in the world and there you see the foul by Palassee McDonald hitting three in a row Next to foul by MSOE will send Lakeland to the line Three ball attempt is off. No good reload Shot by Chris Kiewicz is not even close Darville Chased it down and scored good hustle by that young man 810 left in the ball game Feeling it feel it. Well, that's a different kind of Shot attempt Chris the other ones they worked the ball to him and he let the game flow to him That was a force in the action Well, I think they thought because he hit those trees they came out on him So I actually thought there was a smart move going to the basket Hey You know best All right, we're gonna have a one-in-one attempt here See if you can make a free throw and then pop in the next one Well, you missed a couple in the first half right Marty he was one for two in the first half So he's a nine but you said he's out on a season. Okay Good rotation but couldn't get it to drop in it's free throws at this juncture of the game that can Hope he's some of the stress We'll check Couldn't get it see Burt wanted to take it to the hoop he's got it again looking to go 12 footer is off. No good McDonald with a strong rebound Let me tell you he looks so good in that first half. He looks terrible in the second half of this shot. Oh Was that see Burt? Yeah, see Burt you're thinking would check. Yeah That still didn't look like a good square up shot Jump shot is up and in by Nygaard a two-pointer His first basket of the ball game Chris first points Wow Lakeland's defense is much better here Ball caught in the rim. That's a tie-up situation Somerfeld making a good one-on-one move, but wedged it in the Between the basket in the backboard Here it was pointing Lakeland's way so they get it They're up three with under seven minutes left 655 James Did you get it tipped away or did he lose it to look like he lost it to us wouldn't you say yes But there's a little context. So that's one of those you just give it play on Are you gonna see it? What do you think what do you think fans? He did slap the defender slapped his hands like he tipped it away, so that's probably what did happen He's feeling it, but he couldn't James over the back good call. Oh, that was right there Marty I know and you know that fall is a costly one for James. He's now got four You wanted it I thought that was right in there and I thought he let the game flow to him and the penetration and pitch Couldn't get it in. I would take James out here. You have the lead Woodchuck at the line shooting a one-on-one. I would take James out here. You have the lead 638 left, but I would have him in my right coat pocket in case of Anything not going so well 14 points now for woodchuck. I bring him back about four minute mark Donald has a shot clocked one into the land of the Giants Want to go on there? Well, just as the offense was going now son, it's not going again Marty, right, but they're ahead Sebert looking to go one-on-one dish underneath shot is up and in By Darville and was a great pass by Sebert, right? Donald just a little slow on the rotation down and timeout Lakeland timeout Lakeland MSOE has the lead It's a full timeout Scott so we can take a short break catch our breath If you drive buzzed It could cost you around ten thousand dollars You'll face major legal fees major fines and steep insurance penalties You could lose Everything busted and broke because buzz driving is drunk driving Back at the Wilson gym on the campus of Lakeland University, and there's a Scott putting up that live stat sheet Lakeland, yeah, that's you. I'm sure all your numbers are exactly the same. No Yeah, but so they were different you'd be right and they'd be wrong. That's probably true. I Just want to get close on the scoring Well, I'll tell you that black kind of blends in on their jerseys. I was talking to Adam the AD I Say his last name, but I don't know how Anyway, he said to it's there's not much contrast on off of those red jerseys And it's a little hard to pick up a little easier this half because they're down on this end of the floor plus Those kids actually a little familiar now. We know how they walk and how they shoot not how they chew gum No, we'll check the back off on a flop yet an open shot didn't take it gave it up a McNeil and Not a good shot attempt.  They look both have four falls and the brain trust of the fish are talking over there What should we do with this foul situation? You know Summerfields first free throw is in if you have an opportunity on defense. I still think you need to Get you know a little substitution in for McNeil or James.  That was costly Well Alex Darville is making an impact The other day he had one rebound Today is 10 And worst of all If you're a fish fan Four of them here in the second half on the offensive glass When we do our preparation for these games, you know, we only we can only go off of what? What's out there and since he only played one game? That's it You really can't get a feel for how these players are gonna play You know if we had seven eight nine games you could tell well, yeah, this guy's averaging 18 points a game Yeah, he's obviously gonna be their main scorer Yep, same with the rebounding thing, you know, maybe by the end of the year Darville will be one of their main rebounders. Yeah, certainly didn't show it in the first game Well, according to minutes. He didn't start but he was the fifth most minutes the other night And he is a senior the two guys that came off the bench now Wojcik started tonight and is having a nice game Kerbsi did not start the other night played 22 minutes and had 16 points He's got five tonight, you know, he hasn't been a main scorer, but he has gotten out there Yeah, it's been kind of quiet actually Marty. Yeah, you're right two for six. I was trying to be nice about it Oh, he's two for six. I got him for a couple of rebounds Driving to the basket and scoring was Summerfeld and picking up the fall Was Eric Nygaard and that's his third and that was costly because they're up four now Have a chance to bump it up to five and their double bonus Summerfeld Zero for zero and field goal attempts in that first half second half Five attempts and four of them in and a free throw to boot. This has been a game of runs Oh, Marty, guess whose turn it is? Yeah, you're absolutely right fish turn Neil in the lane forcing it couldn't get it, but he did draw the fall And now I'd maybe have Someone at the scores table here for McNeil If he makes both these free throws I'd get somebody in Marty just a lot of time 512 You know and the reason I say McNeil more than James even though I thought James should have been out earlier Because he's more active under the basket, right? Yeah more opportunities to follow with contact and things James can be a little smarter on the layoff because he's guarding a smaller man who'll probably be more on the perimeter But you'll let her but they're gonna let him in the game see Yeah, okay three point lead with the five see plays out pulling down to the five minute mark Shot no good. Nygaard got it good hustle by him McDonald Chasing it down after rush a lot of game left Marty lot of game Hey for the game left James looking to go ahead it stripped away trying to go through two defenders And then making a smart move on the offensive end was Alex Darville Pulling it back out running some shot clock under five minutes. No, here's a set play Darville Good dish off to Pelosi, but he pulls it out Sebert shot is no good Major collision between which way are we going here 34 and 34 watch this I know Marty. This is a tough call both guys going for the rebound at the same time Watch this they're both going. Oh, I mean they're both headed the same direction. I Think Eric Nygaard is the unlucky one in that Chris.  Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, how do you do that? How do you make a decision on that? Nobody clearly had the rebound. I mean it was bang bang, right? Nygaard went down very hard. He's gonna have to step off the floor Darville Went down also, but he popped up right away. He seemed to be Pretty good shape after that major collision good replay against Scott very good Scott's had a number of those tonight Failed a little bit in the first half, but he stepped up his game here in the second kind of like you Chris Sarah and Richard have been on top of things all night. Well, of course, of course, and I'm still waiting for my niche Well, you had your Snickers bar. Yeah, that didn't help. I thought it would and here's Big impact player in the second half crawled it in He's got seven points in the second half. Yeah, that summer fell as that as good second half you betcha Those two have been low. They've gone to the bigger fellas for the point The guy that's quieted down this last part of the second half has been Colin Siebert He had ten in the first half and four early in the second half and his last ten minutes or so he's not Well, he's missed six of his last seven Marty. That's part of the reason McDonald earlier. He had it. Yeah, he's drifting a little bit on that shot to five point lead for MSOE Lakeland definitely not out of it, but they need to get a little run going Well and MSOE much more of what's that in the basket lays it up and in They're spotted in opening and they've really slowed down MSOE with the lead here and with the follow situation They're trying to get to the basket. Let's take advantage of the double bonus That time there was no help and now seven point lead which way We could see it from here, I don't know if they could see it on the monitor But Chris Kavich through the arm out trying to get baseline see if you can spot it here Saw it at the end, but at that point the contact that already happened. So Good call needs to make the first to get the second and again Lakeland Couldn't get it in and in service commits another foul or commits a foul and And Things are not working out good for the muskies here late in the game Three minutes. They aren't they were comfortably going and The offensive end has kind of let them down. You got to get back to McNeil or James First free throw attempt by Summerfield was no good Oh, break break break break. Yep You're a nice trip to get a basket they're down seven the muskies need to score Don't force it Donald steps outside the line fade away is no good again not going straight up Chris He's drifting on that shot his hole for his last four after making his first four of the half We'll check off the glass no good put back by Siebert is good His first basket in a while getting away Marty Yeah, nine-point lead no and again McNeil and James neither are touching the ball for shots McNeil A three ball deep in the corner Chris just said he hasn't touched the ball in a while. He couldn't wait to get rid of it Well, I'm glad it's not the shot I intended for him I thought he'd get a little closer, but he hit a second three first one at the end of that first half, but I still would rather have James doing the ball handling dry penetration They'll all collapse on him which will create opening shots and easier shots for McDonald At a good point, you know, I'd like to see him catch and shoot instead of having to do it off the drill right and again that would also create some closer range shots for McNeil who's more of a you know shooter from around the The arc a little inside the arc off the free throw line a little bit Well, I'm sorry go ahead. I was just gonna say like getting at three though, right I was gonna say the fall situation each team is in the double bonus now But Lakeland's got to do a little better job of Defending without falling and in the rebounding those misses. Well, they gotta make sure that they do not Just play D.  They've done a nice nice job of that Those surprised my guards not back in the game as well Service and he might well, we don't know his health situation. He might be hurt but yeah, it'd be nice to have Him in there. He's does a nice job rebounding and defending Here comes the trap Good job to go to the middle of the floor as opposed to the corner Very smart basketball player there Lakeland doesn't have a good matchup for Siebert whoever guards him is always shorter than he is Siebert's pretty quick Move with the ball pretty good. Although Chris Kavich with a steal Don't need threes boys. You don't need threes. They're only bonus right now. Just get baskets Stretch this game out. They're trying to spread the floor Donald kicks it out to James watch him drive now kick. There's the opening. Oh, and he didn't take it And he gets a shot blocked by Siebert Little payback by Siebert after that steal by Chris Kavich. Well, he had an opening Marty just didn't decide to shoot it Yeah, I should you're right should have taken that first shot Now you need to stop every time you now you need to stop without fouls Ten on a shot clock. We'll check in the first half would have taken that open three And gliding through getting a nice pass was Alex Darville and He has ten points in the second half to go along with two from the first He's got 12 points and most of those Chris have come late in the second half. I got him four of six from the floor and As I mentioned before 11 rebounds it'd be a stretch now with under a minute left 58 8.7 seconds left Now they almost got to go for three Well, okay quick to as you can stretch it out. There's still time left, but You needed to stop already need to get a stop and said you gave up a layup You know, they got the stop the time before on the steal and then Chris Kavich had his shot blocked He should have taken the shot deeper in the corner Where he was wide open Well, we mentioned in the opening MSOE was picked for seventh in a league Lakeland six We said it should be a close battle and for the most part spin to the last two minutes I mean wasn't too long ago that Lakeland was up like 53 48 and Everything was going real well When you look at the boys coming out James and McDonald and Chris Kavich those three guys and go basically a three-guard lineup They are always shorter than the other teams guards same thing at lacrosse Exactly that's why I was saying who's ever guarded us wide open. He's wide open. It was wide open over here and a turnover boy, well wanted to do a little bit of weave action on top and Just couldn't handle the ball Carlton and School come in for McNeil and James Offense defense bringing on defenders Neal and James each have four falls just the 11th Turnover on Lakeland, but just untimely turnovers. Yeah, that was a tough one Now you got a foul you got a foul. We'll check is followed by McDonald to be at the line to shoot a pair Max is a two for two from the line those two happened in this half McDonald's first fall Chris Missed to the other night one for three Well, I always look at these situations in What do you have to get to that's why when I watch Badger games Marday sit there? And I talked to the TV now if we could get to this plenty points. We're good Just talk to the TV. You're a lot better man than I am So right now I'm thinking to myself. Well, if you have you know for if they get to like 76 it's impossible to win, you know, so They're at 73 that means they would need about five threes and they're not going to get that This cave it's hammered to the floor no call on the driving layup attempt And then James commits the fall and that'll be his fifth Point's the end up with Marty 16 About six points behind his average At 19 the other night when we were here Seabird will be at the line he Was over one had a three Point attempt. He made a basket and was followed and missed the free throw So right now he's one for two He's got 56 18 points now 10 in the first half eight in a second. I had James eight of 14 tonight from the floor Took care of the ball. Well, too. We only had those four turnovers Campos is three balls. No good McNeil's shot was blocked and committing the foul Was Chris Kavich? Well check will be at the line again 20.8 seconds left Wow one hand Well check makes us free throw. He's got 20 Lakeland just five of 20 from three and just two guys have made them tonight Marty McNeil and McDonald so if you don't have a Mick in front of your name, they haven't got a three-pointer made That's pretty amazing Boy a little behind the back dribble didn't pan out so well 13 seconds left. We got to mention this one kid Carl Gavin siap came in number 44. We got to get that name kind of rolls off your tongue And that's gonna be our final MSOE playing a good basketball game from start to finish wins at 77 to 63 They were led by Max Weitschek with 20 points Colin Siebert was also a force out on the floor. He had 18 points and Doing most of the damage in the second half was Dylan Somerfeld He had six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve points For Lakeland Brandon James had 16 Pat McDonald was lightening it up there for a while Chris He had 16 points also and Leading all scores was Joshua McNeil for Lakeland He had 21 points 16 17 19 21 points, that's right Well tough loss for Lakeland Marty, but I want to wish you a happy Thanksgiving and everybody out there. Yep. I Think the same thing good thoughts We want to thank all our fans for watching for the crew and my partner Chris right. I'm Mike Martin saying thanks for watching everybody Our next game will be December 5th, and we're back out here UW. Sheboygan will play a Lakeland JV team And one more time Lakeland suffers another setback 77 to 63 to MSOE Thanks for watching everybody. We'll see you down the road