Welcome to Dear to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger. And as always, my pleasure to be here with you. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane Heer and Access Consciousness. They do amazing work out into the world for healing and facilitation. If you would like to become a facilitator or attend one of their workshops anywhere, go to drdaneheer.com as well as accessconsciousness.com. And a little bit later on in the show, I am bringing on my guest, Jimmy Mack, which is a song I grew up with, but that's another story. But Jimmy Mack is actually here. He's a medical intuitive, a spiritual life coach and the creator of My Liquid Fish, Change, Made Simple.  And trust me, if you're sensitive to energy, you'll be sensitive and receive also in your space. So this show, 15 years, more than 15 years, we've been around on radio and podcast. We're listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. 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There's templates, there's videos just for you to help you get started. It's debbiedashinger.com slash gift. That's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift. So we are at that momentous time which is my introduction to you to Jimmy Mack who is a renowned medical intuitive spiritual life coach. He has taken, completed and even mastered a variety of healing modalities. After a near death experience, he was divinely shown and then developed a simpler way to create healing and profound transformational changes faster now known as My Liquid Fish, Change Made Simple. He's the author of nine books, over 30 energetic clearing and healing audio MP3s on a variety of self improvement topics. He offers a mastery and practitioner certification program and he hosted a weekly radio show called the Jimmy Mack Healing Show for over five years. Jimmy works worldwide with clients in person, on the phone, on Skype, WhatsApp, Telegram, et cetera. He accesses energetic powers and co-creates changes that people he works with can actually feel. You can learn more by going to his website at jimimackhealing.com and with that I welcome Jimmy to the Dare to Dream show and he's gonna unmute himself and come on. And Jimmy, it's so great to have you. Great to be seeing, great to be on your show. I really appreciate it. It sounds like this, I know you went to the ICU. It sounds like this was a game changer. Can you talk us through a little bit what happened? Yeah, it really was. I mean, like you mentioned, I did a lot of different healing modalities including some of the access consciousness and even when Dane was in Tampa, I saw him. And so a lot of that, beta healing, reconnective healing, matrix energetics, all levels of that, UN method, just a little bit of everything and followed a lot of those folks around for many, many years. So, but I had to practice myself on healing and helping others. Definitely the ICU was a game changer. They took out my gallbladder but they about killed me to give me too much anesthesia. Oh wow. Yeah, so I was a mess.  And so they had heads of different departments all piled into my room. And I said, you guys must have really messed up. And they said, why do you say that? And I said, because there's no students with you. Because there's a teaching hospital, right? So I thought it was funny. They didn't think it was funny. And so the finally, you know, I could hardly talk. I've been intubated and could hardly speak. And my oxygen saturation index kept crashing. So I was really, really low. Wasn't getting enough oxygen, all that. And they'd basically give me full-blown clinical pneumonia. And so that's what I was in, stayed up. And I finally said to the surgeon, he was a young, good-looking guy. And I said, pretend I'm your best friend, your uncle, your favorite brother or whatever. I said, he said, we can leave you here and monitor you or put you in ICU. And I said, you tell me what you think we should do. His eyes got big. He said, I put you in ICU. I said, well, let's go, lead the way, right? So off we went. So I was there for three days and three nights. And every night I had something more profound. There was no doctors in the ICU at midnight, one, two in the morning. So the nurses brought me back and that was it. But every night was different. Every night was profound. The closest I can tell people really is all the deep inner space photographs from Hubble and now the new web telescope. And that's really what I was going up into. It was gorgeous. It's nothing you want to come back from, the sights, the sounds. Constance Demby is the other. If you've heard her before, I'll send you the YouTube on that. It's really profound. And that's the type of music that I heard. It was very, very mystical, magical. The colors aren't like anything I've ever seen. It's very vivid, very bright. It's nothing you want to come back from. And I think it was Zach Bush, MD. He's all over YouTube too. He's awesome. And he talks about acceptance and bringing back people from the ICU. And everybody asked him, why don't you just let me go? And that was the feeling I got too.  And so you're fine with crossing over at that point and you enter into this acceptance of all things. And so it's very vivid, colorful. And that was my experience. That's what I saw. Never saw Jesus, never saw white life, none of that. But my theory now is this. And that is, if you have some kid on the African plain or in India and he's riding an elephant and doesn't know anything about Jesus, Jesus isn't gonna meet him at the gates. He might be on an elephant. I don't know, going through the jungle and it's beautiful and that's paradise to him. And so I think it's very, very, very customized if that makes sense for everybody's experience. But I learned a few things. One was I'm not coming back here.  You know, it was where I'm going is probably, I don't even know where galaxy's away. Let's put it that way, right? And then you're no longer afraid of death too. And I think that's important. So when I go, I go. But now I'm kind of like you. I'm like, go, go, go all the time. And I have an American Indian drum just kind of playing in the back of my head. Like, go, go, go, do this. Go on the interview. Help people contribute, contribute, contribute, right? And so that's what changed profoundly for me. And now, whether I'm working on you or the pendulum or any of those things it seems to have taken on a life of its own or we can actually change the energy around anything. So interesting to me. That's a profound story. And just so for my brain, my curious brain. So here you are on the other side, much the better. You made good of a really awful situation. But once you got out of ICU, was it a long time? So you got back on your feet again? Oh, it was so over a month. I tell people it sounds crass, but it's like it took me a month to not be out of breath to zip up my fly, right? It was brutal, because I had just full blown clinical pneumonia. I'll never forget, they were pushing me out of ICU and to a step down unit. And it was a great nurse and she was next to me and her name was Vivian at the time. And she said, as she's pushing me out of ICU, she says, we didn't think you were gonna make it. I'm thinking, what a thing to say, right? And so we get ready to go through these double doors and it has a picture of her and it says congratulations Vivian ICU nurse of the year. And I thought, well, at least they put her on me, right? And that was the best they had. That was the best they had. So here I am, right? And so then they put me in a step down unit and the internist lady was sweet and she came in and she brought these, we were in South Florida at the time and she brought in these two Cuban girls. I don't even think they spoke English. She says, Jimmy, these girls are from rehab and they're gonna teach you how to walk again. I'm like, teach me how to walk again. How hard could that be, right? Come on. I mean, I couldn't even sit up in bed. So yeah, it was brutal. So I came back though. I thought I was determined. I was like, oh, I'm gonna exercise and do breathing treatments. And they're like, when you can walk down the hall and down there and back and then you can go. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna be doing this eight times a day, right? I got to hear one way or the other. So that was that. Oh boy, I would have been the same. Of course, of course.  Yeah, of course. Oh, you can walk down there. I can leave. Okay, watch this, right? And do you feel like your gifts shifted coming back? Do you feel like with this crossing over that you were also imbued with things or it activated things you weren't aware of? All that, all that, yes, it changed everything. It was very dynamic, very powerful. And now you can feel things and yeah, you can feel things, you can move things energetically. And I wasn't able to do that before, not to the level I am now. So what kind of issues do you work with? What kind of things will people come to you? Do you have like a specialty or do you address all sorts of things? What are they? I would say a little bit of everything. Tell people anywhere there's energy. That's what we wanna change. I mean, there's plenty of things I can't work with or doesn't seem to help, but for the most part, especially emotional things, maybe people have viruses, maybe they had a knee or hip replacement, that sort of thing. And so one of the odd things I would do is work on actually the bolts and screws accepting the body, the implant accepting the body and this body accepting all that. And when you do that, everything calms down and changes too. So there's a lot of odd shortcuts they've shown me along the way that I had no clue about. And so now it's like constant downloads all the time. I love the tagline on your website. I work on people, places, situations and pets. I think I'm leaving out some adjectives. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, thanks. You got it. You got it. That's the truth. That's what you do. Yeah. What's the deal with animals? Cause I love that you can do that. I think I wish I could do that. How, what does that gift manifest like? You know, the animals are awesome because you and I are hung up on all this belief work and you know, we have all these blocks or maybe opinions, positionality and animals are like love, love, love and I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, I'm tired and that's about it. You had to go to the bathroom. Yeah. And it's like, yay, yay Debbie's home, right? It's like, that's it.  So I think the way they are now, it allows us to work on them a lot easier because they don't have all these blocks and they haven't humanized themselves up and they haven't overthought anything, right? We're just changing the energy around them. And when you do that, they can shift and change. So I've had very profound things even happen with the animals got a lot better. So. Beautiful. We're going to do some of that two later people. So you want to stick around because we're going to do a little bit animal, I don't know if it'll be a healing, a loving, a connection, but certainly Jimmy will lead us through it. You say Jimmy that we can change slash influence the energy of any negative issue and it can be resolved and changed into a positive state like that. Yeah, pretty quick. Lord, we need you son. Yeah. So please illuminate. How? Well, I think at the end of the day Cam Ewan said at best, he would say there is only strength and weakness in the Ewan method. And I think that's really what it is. So wherever there is a weakness, we're just downloading more strength into it and making it more positive. And wherever there's a strong negative thing, we're releasing that so that it lightens up. And when you play in the field long enough, pretty soon it starts playing with you. And so that is where I'm at now. Oh my gosh. You can't end on that. When you're playing in the field long enough, I mean, it feels like a movie I want to watch. It starts playing on you. What? Yeah, it's playing with you. In other words, you get more hits, you get a lot more intuition. You will hear things in verbiage you would never use. So they might tell me for your pet or whatever look at his hind leg. And I would never think to say hind leg. And so that's how I know it's spirit coming through and helping. Being totally guided to ask you about your certification. What is that? How long is it? Sure. Yeah, it's very short. I tell everybody, I spent a decade and six figures so you don't have to. I have a basic course that everybody takes. And kind of my joke on that is, if you can read at the ninth grade level, listen to the radio and watch a movie, you can pass the course. And then after that, I have people around the world now that are practitioners that went through the next level. Doesn't take that long. I think maybe a dozen hours for basic, total. Is it live with you? And with practitioner. No, everything is online. And people go through that. It's self-paced. It's very reasonably priced. And then what happens is at the end of both basic and advanced practitioner, I spend 15 minutes with the person that took the course to answer any questions they have, just to make sure they get it. And they figured it out. At the end of the day, the easiest way to tell you too is infinity is an eight laying on its side. So one of the things Spirit showed me during ICU was to take off the back left in. And so you wind up with this little fish that looks like a kid with his fist and used a crayon. And so that's what it looks like. And so on the bottom left of the tail, all we're doing is taking out earth negative weakness. We run it through the fish and release it. And anything that's positive we don't have would be a heaven positive strength. And we would download that through the fish and bring it back into us. And when you start to do that and everything starts to shift and change. Well, folks, I'm gonna give you a way to get Jimmy's My Liquid Fish starter kit for free in a little bit. So you gotta stick with us. That's fascinating to me. Yeah, I'm really drawn to what you're saying. So I wanna give them a feeling, a sense of what you do.  This is a pendulum. I don't, honestly, I think I bought this to the Bodhi Tree in LA, which doesn't even exist anymore. It's so old. And I got it and I was excited. And then I never used it, but I thought, oh, but it's rose quartz. And I didn't even know I still had it. So here it is. Tell us how you work with people. So yeah, ideally people wanna be able to at least use their fingers. Maybe they get a yes or no break on that. And again, strength, weakness. My name is Jimmy would be strong. And if I said my name is Freddie, it'd be weak. And this is under the umbrella of applied kinesiology, dowsing, what you're talking about with the pendulum is dowsing. To me, they're like a rain gauge, a barometer, a thermometer. It's something that is measuring the energy. And so we would take a baseline even on the pendulum of a yes or no. And if it's something we wanna change and it isn't how we want it to be, then we would just fish it out or bring it in. And that's it. And the same with standing sway testing. I like that a lot too. People can't skew that.  The more hydrated people are the better. And that gives you an idea right there. And so you can actually feel things coming and going. Okay, I'm actually gonna open my phone because I do not, I'm not sure. You kinda figure out which way is north. Sun comes up in the east and turned to the left. So think about which way the sun comes up and then you're just gonna turn to the left. And if you're geographically challenged. Yeah, if you have the iPhone it has a compass on it. Exactly. And I know I did this when I had a session with you. So north, it says south is here. Oh, so would I turn my back to you? If that's north, ideally. Yikes. Well, we're gonna make north anyway you want it. How about that? We'll drop in north for you. Yeah. Right, look, you can do that. All right, let me. Of course, yeah. This out. So y'all, yeah. Yeah, and grab your pendulum too. You got your pendulum. Excellent, yep. And it looks like north, yes, is this direction. Okay. We'll grab this. Yeah, maybe just turn to one side or the other so folks can see your movement. There you go. Yeah, even like that. And if you just say my name is Debbie, it should pull you forward to a yes. My name, well, it did as soon as you said it. My name is Debbie. Excellent. And if you say my name is Nemo the Fish, it's gonna pull you backwards. My name is Buddha. There you go. That's a no. So it's that simple. And we're gonna do things for everybody, you, your doggy, and everybody that sees the show now or in the future. And I think that's important. So we'll get everything cleaned up really quick about that. So start with, I am clear. And this is clear of everything Halloween. I am clear. I am clear. And it's pulling you forward to yes, that's fabulous. And the thing outside of all that would be, I am unclear and we'll see which way you go. I am unclear. Yeah, it should pull you back to no. I call that alien fighting predator on the back step. So you at least don't have that. I'm just deleting more of it now for you. There you go. And the third one is called I am running forward, which is body, mind, spirit, relationships, health, and money. And we're just putting the car in drive. And it's there. You're there. Yeah, you feel it? You do. I hope you feel it. Excellent. Yeah, we can see you. That's good. Yeah, it looks great. So that's the basic spiel and how we would change things is if there's something, let's say we wanna work on money for you and everybody that's listening now and in the future. Anytime they see this, they could listen to the sound of my voice or see the video. So I like good fortune. I think that's important. Let's do good fortune flows in, around, and through me now. And we'll see if we get a... Can you see this or the fingers when I come back? We're gonna, when you sit down, we're gonna use the pendulum. But for right now, we're gonna do good fortune flows in, around, and through me now and see if you go forward, back, or in between. Can I repeat those words or no? You can. It won't matter. They heard me. Good fortune flows in and around and through me now. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So I'm gonna fish out or release everything blocking you from that. And I just changed it and now it's gonna pull you forward to yes. Good fortune flows in and through me. Good fortune flows in and through and around me now. Yes, yes, yes. And that's how fast we can change things. So it gives you an idea. And that's gonna help you a lot too even. And we're giving that to everybody that watches the show. Yeah, there you go. Awesome.  Yeah. We'll turn off the compass that did absolutely nothing. Yeah. North makes a difference. I would say it's 20 to 30% stronger poles. And so there's a lot of people I find if they're taking psychotropics and a lot of different meds, they're just barely moving. Whereas my ladies in South Tampa that are all yoga teachers and whatnot, they look like willows in the wind. They're just like unbelievable. And so you can really sense the energy, whether it's strong or weak, within a person just by doing that. Now the pendulum is different. Like I said earlier, it's really like a barometer, a thermometer. I think of it as a utility item, a hammer, scotch tape, whatever. And so that's what we wanna do. So ideally what I figured out over a long period of time, people are so funny because they'll go, oh, my pendulum goes right and that's yes. And then counterclockwise or it makes a sign of the cross. It's no, it's like, oh my God, that's so, it's ridiculous, right? So what I do is I start slinging it away from me as if we're going down a highway, perfect. And if it veers off to the right, it's going off on the shoulder of the highway. That to me is a yes. If it veers off to the left, it's a no, no, because it's going into oncoming traffic. And I always pick it back up each time. I would swing it and get yes or no, whatever works. So if you pick it up again, that's perfect. And you just say, my name is Debbie. Yeah, and if you say my name is Debbie and it should go to the right and it's gonna shift. Yeah, it's gonna spin around, don't worry. I'm not doing anything. I'm not gonna move. I'm like, I know I didn't work with you, but you don't have to be angry with me. No. Moving relationship now. There we go. So start swinging in a little bit forward. Yeah, you don't have to sling it, just barely move it. And now if you say my name is Debbie, it should veer off to the right. My name is Debbie. At least we got it center. Yeah, it's going to the right now. It is, isn't it? Yeah. Whoa. There you go. It's crazy. Yep.  My name is Freddie. See it immediately jump to the left. Yeah, it's under my brain. That's good. Yeah, there you go. So what would you change or have different? You don't work on yourself, your puppy, the audience. Let's start with the money thing. So everybody can receive and we'll do the puppy later. I like that. Yeah, so we did good fortune earlier. The other odd little things I like to do would be for their switches and borders on physics. And what we wanna do is turn off a bad luck switch and turn on the good luck switch. There's plenty of people their whole lives. Maybe they made a extra $1,000 this month. And next month they get hit with an $1,100 transmission bill or something.   Ooh, I love that. Yeah, yep. My bad luck switch is turned off.  See, it's a no already. So we're gonna change that.  And now you're gonna watch it go to a yes.  So weird. I know. And I'm in Florida, you're in California. So. I've only used the fingers before or knowing, but. Now it's gonna jump to a yes. It kinda feels like a Ouija board a little bit. Yeah. It's got a energy of its own for sure. It does, it does. But that's me having spirit go through you and moving things. Yeah, that's what you're feeling. So the other one of course is my good luck switch is turned on. My good luck switch is turned on. We'll see if you get yes, no or in between. Rock this. Even trying not to look, but I wanna keep my hand up for everybody. Yeah, it's a no too. So we're gonna turn it on for you and everybody else now and in the future. So we're doing it like a light switch. Now it's gonna jump to the right. Okay, my good luck switch is turned on. So I wanna raise my hand. Yeah, it's going. Totally to the right. And just so people know like in complete love and transparency and humanity, I am going through a challenging time right now. So some of this stuff, when it resonates and reads like that, this is a blessing. It's like, and for all of us, whatever you're going through, it's such a blessing to clear this out. Absolutely.  That's true. And I always tell people even like you too, especially is your mission is bigger than us, right? So the mission you're on and being a little lighthouse that's helping others and really showing people the way and keeping the ships off the rocks. That mission is way bigger than just Debbie. And so that's what you have to keep in mind. And that gets me out of bed in the morning. So. That's beautiful. What else can we change? It's endless. Work on you, the puppies, whatever works. You tell me. Well, I want you to tell us first, five anchors. You discovered five anchors. Can you break that down? Yeah. Yeah. So the wild part about that is I just kind of always sloughed over all the evil alien stuff. I wasn't that big into it. I just kind of was like, yeah, whatever, I'll clear it real fast and keep going. And then earlier this year, oh my gosh, did I get sick? So I went through everything from pneumonia to Legionnaires and I was like death warmed over in bed and my doctor friend was funny.  I'm not going. And point is at one point I had very profound experiences meaning negative stuff. I was so beaten down that I saw just bizarre stuff in the room, things trying to choke me out, that sort of thing to where you just can't breathe. And I thought, the hell with this, I'm gonna figure this out.  And it was just the wildest, most negative experience I've ever had. And I was like, okay, now you got my attention. Now we're gonna get down to work and we're gonna change this. So five anchors is really categories for changing things. The first one would really have to do with the feelings of things like trauma and feelings of upsets, that sort of thing. That's a first anchor. And you would douse all these things to figure out what you're caught up in. The second, of course, would be alien energy. The negative alien energy. The third is evil. And that's just encapsulates everything that could possibly be evil. The fourth for me is called buoys. Our whole theme about everything we do is nautical. So there's weather buoys way offshore and the chains go down like 11, 1200 feet deep. So you can't even see the anchor that's holding those buoys offshore and all this deep water.  You may not be aware of, so you wanna clear those. And finally, the fifth one on the fifth anchor really is AI, 5G, Wi-Fi, all the stuff that's messing us up. Magnetism, that sort of thing is just really just wreaking havoc on us. And so I figure out basically which one of those five people might be stuck on or messed up on and then we just delete those and fish all those out or lease them. And the irony that came through was we normally just fish like this over time. You can just flash it with your eyes and you watch it change. And that's where I'm at now is I can just say it and things change. So I have to be very careful what I say. And the irony past that really is you want to fish these things out that are negative. When I get up to the top, I'm saying splash. And I'm splashing that like a whale that's breaching and shooting up water. And that takes all that out. And that's what they showed me over time. And splash stands for send problematic low anomalies sky high. And so you want all the stuff off of you.  But a lot of times people might remember that old commercial and it was a soft scrub commercial. And it looked like little scrubbing bubbles and things racing around the bathtub, if you will. So it kind of looks like that the negative pieces. And to me, they look like squid. I worked on a lady in Tampa, Florida the other day and her son was having bad dreams and different things. And he was drawing pictures of squid. And I said, you've got to send that to me. That's awesome. Cause he was seeing them. I see them all the time, of course. But I'll talk about everything they'd haul me off, right? And so imagine this little kid was actually seeing them. So we deleted all that out. And of course, nightmares all went away. So those are five anchors. The five anchors are things that might be holding you in place. And this can happen on relationships, work, job, career. They're hitting that glass ceiling. Anything going on, love life and money, that sort of thing can be tripping you up. And once you clear that, it's just open field running. Things seem to get a whole lot better and shift and change. And people will wind up having anomalies inside or outside of them. And we take them step by step through that. That was my next question. So when somebody works with you, I assume for a period of time, you start one place and make sure all of that is clear. The next anchor, the next anchor, the next anchor. Wow. Can you tell me, cause I love stories. I love stories about how this works. Somebody, one or a couple of stories about people you've worked with, where they started and what this work did for them. Well, I mean, they're all over the website and there's testimonials everywhere. But a lot of folks have had very profound situations. I've taught people how to do this.  And so yeah. And that particular person, just as an example, she wanted to work on love life and money and all this stuff where she barely could walk coming in and then going out, she could walk better and she wasn't using her cane the next day. Now, relationships, I don't know what happened with that or the money part, but gosh, if you can walk without a limp and you don't need a cane anymore, I think that's a win. So people come at me maybe with three, five, 10 problems and if your migraines go away and now you're sleeping at night, well, that's a start, right? So that's the way I look at it. Yeah, it doesn't suck, basically. It doesn't suck, right? It's very, very important to get rid of a lot of that stuff. And listen, that's part of the mysticism and all this that you and I are always fascinated by and that is we never know what we're gonna get, we never know what's gonna happen. And I think that keeps us young and laughing about it and intrigued. And so when you bring this up, because I know in your bio, it says medical intuitive, how is that for you?  Yeah, I go really fast. Like if I go through your whole body right now, anybody I would do, I would say virus, bacteria, mold, fungus, mildew, yeast, candida, negative pathogen, parasites, heavy metals, allergies, illness, disease disorder, you don't have any of those things right now, zero. Yeah, there you go. Beautiful. That's right, yeah. And for people that do, it would feel like, to me, it would feel like a stopping point. And then I'd go deeper into that and clear it. I don't like playing the game of, hey, guess what's wrong with me? If you have cancer, the elbow, then come right out of the gate and let me know. That way we'd go faster. I can do it and I can go through them and tell them exactly what's wrong. But the end of that, it's like, who cares? Now we both know the horrible stuff, right? It's like, let's change it. And my joke always is the two psychics meet in the middle of the road. The one says, the other, you're fine, how am I, right? Because a lot of them, they can read for everybody, but maybe their life's horrible, okay? So the point is the power isn't in the knowing, but the power is in the changing. All right. Well, interestingly enough, while we've been conversing on this end of things, I heard a little pitter patter come into the room. So Shelby clearly is aware of you because she was nowhere near here. I love that. Yeah. I get along great with animals too. I can't wait to meet her. Yeah. So here's Shelby the shaman. I feel terrible to wake her up, but I really wouldn't, she's still clearly. I love it. This is Shelby, greatest joy in my life. Shelby, you're on camera. She, camera means nothing. It means everything to mommy and nothing to her. Right. She's a cockapoo. She's seven. And she looks like a cockapoo with her hair look. Right. Like her spaniel poodle. She recently turned seven years old, very sleepy little girl. And I could say a million things about her, but is there any place you want her to be or anything you want me to do? It won't matter on that. What's going on with her? How's she doing overall? She's amazing. Okay. So that's good. And I would say, you know, maybe what would be very beneficial since mommy is going through a little bit of a challenging time. I don't know how to check in with her. I try to try very hard, much to stay constant. I think that's important, but I would, I want her to be okay on every level. Yeah. She tests out really good when I'm in it. So that's why I asked what's going on with her because I don't pick up anything. When I asked her, isn't anything really physical going on? Seven is ish 49 in people year. So I think she's doing pretty darn good. The sleeping is normal. They're saying so for her, that's fine. And when it's time to have energy, she'll have it, you know, chase whatever, do whatever and be all puppy-ified, right? The rest of the time, it's just kind of crash time. And that's okay. I love that. Yeah. She loves you. Yeah. We're besties. We're total besties. I love that. I love that. And you know, if you want somebody so we can do a true demo to work on, there's, by the way, there's three dogs in the house. There is another dog I can bring in who does have some issues. Okay. Sure. Let's do that. You can, or you can just set her down. We'll use the pendulum. That's fine too. All right. Yeah. Just give me one second. Okay. This is Oliver. Say hi. Oliver, hi Oliver, hi Oliver. I could say so much about him, but I know you're going to pick up his energy right now. Yeah. He's tired. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on? What have the Western folks said? Sure. So Oliver has an enlarged heart. Okay. He also has a stye here, which we have not been able to get rid of. And he had a, one side of his cheek, something was, oh, here it is. Something growing out over here, kind of a black mark, but especially of course, the enlarged heart. So. Yeah. We can set him down for a minute and play with the pendulum. That's fine too. And he's got a rad Mohawk. That's funny. So it feels like when I'm in it too, they have a stye coming out and a little thing coming out of the cheek. It's things that are perhaps releasing, but let's just run with Oliver on the heart. And I would even go negative just to start and say Oliver's heart is weak and see if you get a yes or no. Oliver's heart is weak. Right now it's going to no. So that's good. So I'd pick it back up, start swinging it again and say Oliver's heart is functioning at 100% and strong. Oliver's heart is functioning at 100%. And strong. And strong. And that's kind of a no too. So we're just going to bring in strength for him right now and now it's going to jump to a yes. You can hold it back up because it's coming. Sorry. And I sent it just like a text or an email. Oliver's heart is strong. Strong and functioning at 100%. It's okay. It's taking out all the negative. It's taking out everything that's interfering with that and then you're going to watch it jump to a positive. It's interesting how it sort of neutralizes. And then it's going to go to the right and go to yes. I don't understand. This is us strengthening it. All right. It's going to go. It looks like a no. Yeah. It's changing now. You can feel that? Yeah. And we're changing him. And then it's jumping from Florida to California to Oliver back to your pendulum. And now it's going to go to the right and go to a yes when we're strengthening it now. No, because you're so confident when you say that. You're going to watch it. I'm trying not to move or focus. Yeah, that's okay. It won't matter. I have zero influence here. Now it's going to go yes. Yeah. Wow. There you go. It's going to get stronger too. You start swinging it again. It should go to the right now. Oliver's heart is strong, strong. We're just sending it strength right now. Oliver's heart is strong. It's all right. It's going to take out all the negative and then it's going to go back to the right and strengthen. And I love the name Oliver. That was my grandfather's name. So that's a cool name. There you go. It's an unwinding right now. That's what you're measuring. And what you're seeing is a circling or the unwinding of anywhere there's weakness. And then it's going to jump to a positive strength. That's amazing. So I guess folks who are listening to this on podcast, so forgive me, you're probably going to want to go to youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger to see this happening and unfolding. So I'm holding a beautiful rose quartz pendulum and we're literally watching it swing very clearly to the left, then neutralize, then go in a circle. It's readjusting itself. I am honestly uncomfortable because I'm dying to put my arm down, but I'm not going to move because I do not want to influence this thing by myself, but Jimmy clearly is moving it. There we go. And now it's going to swing. Now it's going to go to the right. That's crazy. And that took the longest of anything we did today.  And I think- And sometimes that's part of the heart issue too. Yeah. He knows a lot of what's going on and- And by the way, this is going to go on for days and days, several days into it. So it does pick up more energies that go along. So that's going to really help him a lot. He keeps clearing, Shelby didn't get clearing. I keep clearing, audience keeps clearing. Yes, for days, for days.  It really is, it really is. So we want to download more positive. I want to talk about this starter kit. So my liquid fish online starter kit and I'll give more information. It says learning this divinely fast and easy technique and integrating it into your existing clearing, releasing routine or healing practice can profoundly increase the positive results you will achieve as a change seeker. I like that word. Spiritual, intuitive or healing practitioner by reversing and clearing belief patterns and you can actually see and feel the changes on the spot using applied kinesiology. Your kit includes special audio, video and written instructions for learning. What a gift for learning and using the MLF symbol directly from Jimmy. So can you share a little bit more? This is a $111 value that your gifted audience- Sure, and yeah, that's a sign up for you guys and that's great. And really it takes you step by step through that. There's audio, like you mentioned, there's video and it's also in writing. And it just shows you the basics of what we did today. And when you watch that pendulum change, all we care about is at the end of the day, all I do morning, noon and night is knock down the negative and download more positive. And that's it. So whether it's Oliver, you and me, the people, relationships, money, work, job, career, whatever it may be, that's what this addresses. And so they can go through that, read each step by step piece. And I find when you hit people with that many different levels, some people are great at reading, some people are great at listening, some people are visual, as you know. But if you hit all three of them, it starts to go deeper. There's some repetition in it, but then you get to that point where you go, okay, now I know what he's talking about, now it makes sense. And that's when you have that aha moment and that's the most rewarding thing for me. And anybody can fish, anybody can master this? Anybody can.  So anybody can learn, it doesn't matter. All right, folks. So you wanna go to jimmymackhealing.com slash free dash summit slash gift. It will be in the show notes. So you can also get your free gift there. So Jimmy, then how is perceiving that the best is yet to come and having more play, more fun, more entertainment essential for making forward progress in one's life? Wow, yeah, that's all I talk about and do. I mean, we end each even zoom event or anything I record with the rest of your life will be the best of your life. Remember to make a little progress each and every day. And that is the best way to go is just make a little progress every day. The longer I'm in this, the funnier it is to me. I think they have a lot, a big sense of humor. I think they're into entertainment spirit world. In other words, they want us to have more fun. They want it to be more dynamic and for us to live more rewarding, richer lives. And so I think that's important. And this just takes you to a whole nother level. Do you have, especially since you returned back to us and we're delivered by that amazing nurse back out into the world, Vivian, do you have a guide that you work with? Is there some kind of tribe that showed up for you?  I think there's different people and things hanging out with you all the time.  I see a lot of colors, things that are very vivid. You have one, two, three guides also with you right now and no vanilla angels. Just your gardening angel and three guides. And mom's side, it's your dad's side. It's like your dad or granddad is in the room too. Grandfather. And so, yeah, and so that is what comes through right now. And they're very fast. They're speedy, speedy, speedy. So they got to either slow it down for us, which is really hard for them, or we got to speed it up. And so for me to go that fast and tell you who's in the room, that's them talking to me, if you will. But my thing is more along the lines of electricity. It is the energy in between. It's more Holy Spirit energy. That's the easiest way to tell people. It is the wind underneath the dove's wings. It is everything that's in the in between. And I'm moving that around so that things get better for people. And what is your daily ritual? Do you have anything that you do every day yourself to ground yourself, center yourself, be healthy? I would do just what we did in the beginning, which is clear myself the yes, release any unclear to no. It just goes faster now, and then run myself forward. And the other thing I would do, I've started even this year is I'm gonna clear out my whole day. So I'm gonna say even today, Thursday, it's Thursday. I envision it. I see the word Thursday and then September and then 15, 2022. And I'm gonna clear that to yes, take out the unclear and run the whole day forward so that it runs up ahead of me and gets better and better. So whereas you might have had a car wreck or something horrible, when you do that, it tends to smooth things out. And the easiest way to tell people is a lot of it that we get caught up in fields like air turbulence. And when we raise the plane higher, then all of a sudden we start flying above it and all the turbulence goes away. Wow, you know, when you said that, I'm clearing my day. I thought you meant clearing your calendar so you can make money and not really have a whole lot to do. I was like, all some of that please. Yeah, no, I mean clearing the day and everything we do. That might be one you wanna add. Yeah, there you go. I'm sure there's a lot of people would love that. Yes. So no radio show anymore? No, I had a lot of years of that. I've been on a lot of different people's shows. I don't need to tell you what it's like to plan it and get ready for it. And gosh, you hope people showed up on time that was compelling and, you know, I enjoyed it, but now I do a lot of different summits and things and I'll be on the people's shows like yours and I enjoy that much more. Yeah, totally. Yeah. There's a very real thing out there called Pod Fade. And because everybody and their mother and brother are running like, oh, I have a business, I'm an entrepreneur, I have a voice, whatever, I must do a podcast and then they start doing it and realizing, dear God, this is a lot of work. It is a lot of work. I don't know, it's gonna take me forever to build an audience and I have to write a script and hire this and I mean, it's beyond. And then the podcast fades. So, you know, when I teach my interview classes, I always say go for a well-established show if you're gonna be interviewed, make sure that they've been around and they're going to be around. You don't wanna put something, the fleets in the middle of the night. And what about you, Jimmy, has changed? So, using this work, is there like a reference point for you, something that you dealt with that was a pattern that really didn't work for you in your life? And then using this modality, it's completely different today. Yeah, I would say prior to that anxiety, stress, tension, that sort of thing, just kinda hurry, hurry, hurry. And now I'm like, oh my God, I'm like Zen monk, couldn't care less kind of thing. And not in a flippant way, just in a, it will all unwind and it's like Zach Bush and Dee would say, you are in allowance of things and I allow people to be who they are and what they're gonna do and then I do my thing and I force nothing, I just allow. And that really changed everything. So just the modality of clearing that through my liquid fish helped out a lot. It just took out all the anxiety, stress, and tension. It's great for PTSD or overwhelm, depression, that sort of thing. You start clearing all that out and then all of a sudden you just almost wake up and go, oh my God, I feel like a million bucks, right? All right. So this is, that's an amazing example of an accident because my, what I'm taking on right now, I don't even know how to say it. Let me just say the words, surrender, letting go. Yeah. Yeah, like. And it's not easy. I mean, but you have to work through it to get to the other side. Totally. I'm a control freak. I am, I'm a control freak. You will learn to let all that go. Yes. Can we do something here for everybody right at the end about? Sure. The rendering, letting go and this control, this vigilance and all this, look, it's served me well in many regards, but today it has come up to heal. And yeah, yeah. So it doesn't show up as surrender as much as letting go. So it's safe and comfortable to let go right now for you and a lot of folks that are watching now in the future, it's a no. And so you're going to spin that. It's going to go to the left. There you go. And so all I'm going to do is fish it all out or release it and we're going to delete all that out and make it safe and comfortable for everyone to just let go. And then it'll jump to the right and it'll go to a yes. It is safe and comfortable for all of us to just let go. Just let go. That was kind of fast. It really was. Yeah, and there it is. Wow. Like I said, the toughest thing today was Oliver in his heart. So. It's amazing. Just took a minute. Okay. And you still work with people individually? I do. I do work with people by appointment. I do phone. I do Skype, WhatsApp, signal, telegram, whatever works for them, you know. Facebook, all that and whatever. Yeah, it's okay. And really I'll do like your show live video and I do a Zoom event once a month. But for the most part I do phone because I can lay in bed with my big fat black cat and I can move things a lot better just laying there with my eyes closed. And that seems to really accelerate everything too. Anything here at the end you want to tell the listeners, Jimmy?  And my mother used to say, what does it really matter and will this matter five or 10 years from now? And chances are whatever you're going through, you'll barely remember it, you know, or you'll say what was that person's name. I know it started with a B or whatever but that's where you get to over time. So you just have to be more in allowance of everything. Let everybody do their own thing and you do yours. Thank you. I thank you. Shelby, thanks you, Oliver, thanks you. Thank you. I'm very grateful, my pendulum thanks you and I'm so grateful for the great work you do here. Thank you. Thanks for having me on, I appreciate it. Again, folks, if you would like his free liquid fish starter kit, go to jimimachealing.com slash free dash summit dash gift. And I end today's show with this quote from Queen Latifah. Believe in yourself, stay in your own lane. There is only one you. Subscribe to this number one transformational conversation dare to dream with Debbie Daschinger. Leave a comment. Thank you. I read all of them and I do get back to you. Next week on the show, I'll be featuring the Japanese author Ken Honda. He's back. This guy's a phenom, by the way. Ken's books have sold over 7 million copies and he offers the happy money healing program. Thank you for joining us. Again, if you loved what you heard in the podcast, jump on over to youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger. So you can see what Jimmy was doing and how the pendulum was going and all the work he did. And don't just dare to dream. Dare to make all your dreams come true. Thanks for joining us today.


I had gone through the demo videos and audios which are being there in the website and hearing all those I felt like, yeah, this can be, this is actually the perfect site for me to go on my preparation, to go on with my preparation. And I don't know ma'am actually, I felt the connect maybe, like I can do it with your guidance to be honest and yeah, I chose it. If one needs to understand the life, it is very much needed to go through literature, not specifically English literature, but literature. It's a reflection of society, reflection of life. So embrace it, love it and don't get afraid of the syllabus. And if still if you are finding it difficult, go through the website of Arpita Karwa. She has provided you the exact strategy to collect the exam. Good morning. Hello ma'am. Good morning to you. How are you feeling after clearing that? Firstly, I would want to start with this. Initially it was unbelievable because the time I got the result was not at all expected by any of the experienced of us, like you for the exam. It felt good, very good to be very honest with you and yeah, it's a dream come true for me. Wow, wonderful. Heartiest congratulations from the entire team of ArpitaKarwa.com for on your achievement and pass on my best regards to your parents as well. I'm sure that they must be very, very proud to see you achieving this time. Thank you so much ma'am. Thank you so much.  I want to know more about your preparation journey, the challenges you faced, how did you overcome that? So firstly, thank you for signing up for this interview. I'm sure that people are going to watch it, are going to get benefited, will know the right methodology to follow in order to achieve success and if in case they are making some mistakes, which they can rectify after listening to this video, I think that will be a great thing. Amen. It will be a pleasure. Thank you, thank you. So before we go ahead and talk about those questions, I would first want to know about you, where are you from, how has been your educational journey so far? I'm from Tripura, one of the sister states of the North Eastern part of India and my graduation has been done in Ramthakur College, which is in our state only and I have done my masters in Tripura University. Okay, great. And when did you complete your masters? This is itself, like 2023. 23 and when did you plan and started your preparation for UTC? When I was in the second semester, I had decided that actually, students of a master's degree, they plan for their career from then only, like they prepare for whatever exam they're going to face after the master's exam. So I was a bit confused what to do initially. And then one of my seniors suggested me that I should appear for the UTC net exam, which may help me to get admitted in a PhD program. So I kept on searching and going through the sources where from I can get my study materials and all, which are very much required for the exam. And then I got to know about you and this platform, which helped me get through it. Wonderful, wonderful. So like to begin with, I would first want to ask from you that the moment you decided that you want to appear for UTC net, you must have gone through the syllabus and then kind of made a timetable for yourself that this is how I'm going to sketch out my preparation. So how was that initial journey? Like when you went through the syllabus and how did you decide that, okay, this is how it is going to be? At the very beginning, I was terrified. I was just, what should I do? What should I do? After seeing the syllabus, I was like, I was overwhelmed by the syllabus. I needed some kind of a guidance and actually the students of northeastern part of India doesn't then don't have the opportunity to explore themselves, buy some guide because we lack of it, to be very honest, we lack of it. And YouTube is the only source for us. And to be honest, the YouTube doesn't provide the sufficient guidance, actually. I feel like the educators in the YouTube, they're holding something back. They're not providing everything which I needed. So I had to offer something which will provide me everything. And initially, when I saw the syllabus in the website, I was like, this is it. This is the one-stop solution where a student like me can get everything out of it. So yeah, this website helped me a lot. To be very honest, it helped me a lot. Thank you so much. And why did you choose online classes? Weren't there any offline classes available in your area? No, ma'am. Not at all. Okay. So I would also want to ask that what made you choose arpitaakarwa.com? There must be a lot of other options available. How did you select that this is the platform which is going to suit your needs? I had gone through the demo videos and audios which are being there in the website. And hearing all those, I felt like, yeah, this can be, this is actually the perfect site for me to go on my preparation, to go on with my preparation. And I don't know, ma'am, actually, I felt the connect, maybe. I can do it with your guidance, to be honest. And yeah, I chose it. Great. And did you use any other resources apart from what we've been providing in the online classes? No, ma'am. I didn't go for any. Okay. So solely, you relied on the lectures that we gave. Great. And what about paper one? Like, how did you plan your preparation for paper one? I solely dependent on YouTube and a few other sources which are scattered here and there. Okay. Totally. I was solely dependent on the YouTube, I would say. Okay. So YouTube say, and were there any units of paper one which you found very challenging? Yes, ma'am. Since I'm a student of pure arts, math part is very difficult for me. And what strategies did you drop to work on DI mathematical and logical reasoning? Actually, if I talk about the exam of my last attempt, the DI part was very difficult. So it was very tough for me to complete the entire paper in a given time. So one thing helped me a lot, which is one of my seniors told me that I should only focus on seven or eight topics on which I'm going to rely on mostly since I'm weak in my maths and DI part. So I relied on his words, since he got to JRF in preparing by his own. So he was sort of a sort of an inspiration for me that if he can do it, then I can also do it. So I relied on his words that yeah, okay. If I keep aside the maths part, I can also complete the required marks. Right. And that is very well said Akash because even I feel that paper one is a very, very diverse kind of paper. We have 10 units coming from different different areas of life. There is research methodology, then there is DI, then there is people and environment, which is totally from a different domain as such. So it is very important to know our strengths and then to play with those strengths because weak areas where you have to put in so much effort and the cost-benefit ratio isn't that great because you have to put in like 50 hours, 100 hours to get those two, three questions right rather than if you invest those 50, 100 hours in studying paper two or maybe studying topics of paper one, which you're more confident about. I think that is really a nice approach. Great.  And you kind of relied on it and did not like go haywire while you were preparing. Great. Coming back to paper two, what according to you are the most important units in paper two because unlike paper one, we don't have like similar weightage to all the units. So what was the audience view? In the paper two section, obviously the British literature part because most of the questions come from this part only and after British literature, literary theories and criticisms and there are other sections like American literature than the cultural studies part. Actually what I've seen after going through the previous equation papers that the static portions are British literature, theories, criticisms and the other parts, they kind of shuffle. Right. The importance keeps on varying from paper to paper. Two things I would say that theory and British literature, if any student would like to appear for the exam for the very first time and they have very less amount of time, they should only rely on these two parts. And if they are preparing for the second or third time, which I guess would be their best attempt, they should go on with the other parts also. But literature and theories are the most important things. Most important thing. And were there any specific subjects or topics that you found challenging and how did you overcome them? Ma'am, like most of the students of English literature, I have found theory as the most difficult part because the language of it is very tough for me. I found it very tough. But as I said earlier, in your curriculum, the way you explained the theories, the difficult parts of it was awesome, I would say. Thank you so much. I'm glad that I could make that contribution in your life because theory is something that a lot of people are afraid of. And I really believe that it isn't challenging, it's just that we don't have a crisp understanding of it. Once we understand it, it's really simple because it isn't rocket science where you have to do numericals and to get to that answer. It isn't as difficult as those mathematical questions that we used to solve in our 11th and 12th grade derivatives and all of that. So it is just a little difficult in terms of it comes from a very different background. We are not very exposed to the concepts of Marxism. So something from Marxism when it comes into literature, then you have to first understand the entire economics in order to understand what the writer or the author is trying to say. So I'm glad that my lectures kind of gave you that clarity. And thank you so much for listening to them so as so patiently that you kind of survived that thing because a lot of students, they have this mindset that theory is difficult and they don't even try to give it a shot. And let's just see whether we are able to grasp the concept or not. Were you also watching the video lecture that we have recently uploaded? I enrolled in your course in the later half of the 2023. So the video lectures are recently uploaded. I couldn't go through them. So you were thoroughly preparing from the audio lectures? Yes, there were a few videos which I had gone through. And I would say they are very beneficial for students because the way you have done the mind maps, it's very good. Thank you so much. Also, I wanted to understand what role did Moctez play in your preparation? Did you go through Moctez and Pasteur papers as well? I had solely gone through the Pasteur papers. I didn't go through the portions which you uploaded in your website because there is a scarcity of internet in my area. So I don't know if any time the internet goes down and Moctez just fell apart in the middle part. And what approach did you follow in solving these Pasteur papers? Did you simply attempt the paper or did you take time to analyse it as well to see what were the areas where you weren't doing good? Not specifically. I was preparing as a whole. I liked the paper. Paper 2 was my interest area. So I didn't have to huddle a lot with this. So yeah, it was good. It was good, right. And how crucial do you think note making is in your UGC net preparation? Like did you make notes and how was it? Yes, ma'am. I had made each and every point clear in my notebook because it is very much needed since we don't know what is going to be the cutoff of this year or the exam pattern or the exam difficulty. So 6% is nothing I would say because 94 of the students are going to be eliminated from the exam. So I have to prepare myself for the next exam also, the next attempt. So I cannot solely rely on the audio. I had to make a note of each and every word you made if you uttered. So this helped me a lot since it was my third attempt and I noted each and every thing on my first attempt. It helped me a lot. Noting is very much resistant. Absolutely. And what about revision? Did you adopt any specific technique to remember such vast amount of information that you've written down in your notes? Ma'am, in terms of revision, I followed one method that is if I read something last night, I would read it again today morning with some new topic so that the thing gets reminded in my mind and I don't have to go through it again and again because my revision is also going on and my reading is also going on simultaneously. So I don't have to do just a lot, another time for revision. And it is very, very crucial also that whatever you learned the last day, if you can revise it within 24 hours, it is scientifically proven that the data gets stored in your long-term memory or else you will forget. So I'm glad that you adopted that strategy as well. Great. And as you said that it was your third attempt. So after experiencing failure in the first two attempts, so how did you gain that motivation and prepared for the exam again? On my first attempt, I was not at all prepared because I was like, let's see how the exam goes. So I didn't have the time to be honest to prepare for the exam and on my second attempt, I only prepared the British literature theory and paper one part and the rest of it was just touched upon. Not that I was thoroughly aware of it on the way exam should be given, but yeah, I was familiar with the topics. So that was my preparation and on my second attempt, I missed on only by a margin of 2% time. So it was a bit disheartening to be honest and but my teachers helped me a lot to go through that phase. They encouraged me a lot. So yeah, this was my ultimate attempt, I would say because I wasn't doing anything, I was only preparing for the exam. So yeah, it was my best attempt. And though I missed the JRF by one question, that is two months, but yeah, I'm happy to be honest. And you've put in so much effort, Akash. So when the journey is something where you kind of gave your best, so whatever result you get, you're proud of yourself. And JRF is something that, see, I really tell students that even if you're very thoroughly prepared, how you manage to attempt the questions in those three hours plays a very crucial role. Sometimes you're heavily prepared, but then it is just that moment, that one momentary, I don't know, I'm not getting that word to describe how it feels when you have a question, you kind of know the answer, but suddenly there is some another voice coming from your heart which says that no, it's not B and C and you just mark it. And then later you realize that, oh my God, I should have marked B. Why did I go by what my mind was saying the second time when I saw the question. So it is just that game that kind of takes you in the league of JRF or in the league of net. But I'm very happy to see the level of your preparation. So what advice do you want to give to students who might be struggling with utility net preparation, like if you want to summarize and advise something to the students? What is the advice one thing that embrace the subject? It's very interesting, English literature is something that is equivalent to life. So if one needs to understand the life, it is very much needed to go through literature, not specifically English literature, but literature. It's a reflection of society, reflection of life. So embrace it, love it, and don't get afraid of the syllabus. And if still if you are finding it difficult, go through the website of Arpita Karwa. She has provided you the exact strategy to collect the exam. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And I really loved what you just said, that embrace literature.  So the 94% people who do not clear most of them are those who have not kind of embraced literature thoroughly. As you also said that your second attempt was where you just touched upon a few topics. But then the thorough study of literature happened in the third attempt, and you nailed it.  So wonderful. I really loved how you've spoken about your journey. And I really admire the kind of passion you have for literature. And I really hope that the same passion you can kind of spread across in the university where you are going to teach, you're going to become an assistant professor. And there will be many more Akash that are going to get born from that classroom where you're going to teach. Thank you. And I really wish you all the best for all the future endeavors that you're going to mark on. And if next time you're planning to sit for JRF, I would I am I'm sure I would not say that I hope I see you in that list. I'm sure that I'm going to see you in that list. So we'll be more than proud to celebrate that achievement. Thank you. Thank you so much. So keep it up and keep going like this. My best wishes are always with you. And pass on my love to your family members as well. Okay. Thank you. I wish you good health. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Akash. Thank you so much for joining us for this interview. Means a lot to me. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye.


So we're here at Mobile Wall Congress and who are you? Hi, I'm Simon, I'm the co-founder of BookMate and I'm going to show you a quick overview of how BookMate works on the Yota phone. So we saw Yota phone, we got pretty inspired by it. It's the first phone where you can push all of your reading activity to a second screen and the screen on the back. So you did an app here, Android? Yeah, we developed a native app for an Android app to optimize the Yota phone's second screen. So here you can see BookMate, you see a book here. You click on the book, open it, you get text, clearly you read here. You can flip it to the back screen and here you can continue your reading in a much more comfortable way with the E-Ink screen that they have on the back. So how long battery there? This gives you like 50 hours of reading, but the best thing about it is basically you don't get interrupted. So you have your book open on the back, then you continue with your other applications on the front screen and it's a really natural way to read. That's awesome, so BookMate? BookMate, yeah. Can you describe BookMate? What do you do with BookMate? So BookMate is a subscription reading platform, it works on pretty much all devices. Currently we're in two markets, we're in Russia, we've just launched in Turkey and we're rolling out to ten other markets this year. We think the subscription reading is basically the way that people want to be able to read. So you pay like a flat fee, it's between $5 and $10 a month depending on the market. And for that you get basically access to all the contemporary reading that you want. And this is the model that is the one? We don't want to have per book. We think it is. I mean people, when you remove all the friction, so you pay like, you paid your monthly subscription, you start reading, people, the way they read changes quite radically. So people have many books open at the same time because you don't have to make a decision, do I actually want to pay for this book before I start to read it? So people dip in, we have customizable bookshelves, you build your library online, you have it up there in the cloud and it's basically there forever. So it's a much more emotionally engaged way to come into reading. The whole discovery side of it, you can browse books of other people's shelves, you pull them off the shelf, add them to your shelf and it's just a very natural way to read. So basically unlimited reading. It's unlimited reading. There's no like premium content at all. No. All of it is there. So it's pretty much all there. I mean we're adding, currently we've got about 90% of all the books in Russian. We're adding to our English language catalog pretty actively at the moment. Currently we have about 20,000 books and we're adding about publisher a week at the moment. So pretty optimistic by the end of the year. And each publisher has hundreds or maybe thousands of books. Yeah, I mean it depends on the territories. I mean in the US publishers are very reluctant to move to a subscription model at the moment. They're pretty comfortable with paper download and a lot of people there are actually paying to download books. So it's a model that they're not really willing to disrupt just yet. But for other markets, particularly emerging markets where there's a lot of pirate content, it makes a lot of sense for publishers to work this way. Plus the amount of data that you get. I mean if you're just selling a single copy of a book, that relationship is tied to a single transaction. With a simple subscription, you understand every time somebody's opened the book, where they are, what device they're reading on, what kind of social interaction they're making around the book as they read it. So it's a much richer experience from the point of view of the publisher too. So it's like the iTunes model is being replaced by the Spotify model. And that's kind of like what needs to happen now. The Kindle model needs to be replaced by BookMate. I think so. I mean it's happened in music. It's happened with film. And it's going to happen pretty quickly now with books.  We're pretty advanced with it. We've been in the market already for three years. And we're moving fast. Moving fast? And the 10 markets, do you say anything about which one those are? Well, they're all emerging markets. Plus we have one test market in Scandinavia. Scandinavia is a pretty early adopter when it comes to subscription. So we're optimistic about our chances there. Which Scandinavian market? We're looking... Secret? It's a secret at the moment. I hope it's Denmark. You'll be the first to know. So it can't just be worldwide. The rights are limited. It's not as limited as with music. But yeah, it's kind of market by market. The way that you look to come into a market with subscription, it gives you a lot more opportunities for monetization. Because you can go B2C. But you can also bundle with a mobile operator. So you can go with an M&O, B2B2C, and work with them to give a value-added experience to their client base and actually to bring the recurring billing experience into our application. What I think would be nice maybe is to get all the news and go to blogs maybe and all that stuff. Are you thinking about that or are there only books? No, no, just books. You don't want to do newspapers or all that stuff? We're focused really on the reading experience on literature. And literature works particularly when you're working across all devices and you need to scale text to a particular screen size. Then it's easier when you're sticking to literature. So we're focusing on doing one thing and doing it better than anyone else. Do you think there's any chance this year or next year there's all of Europe and the US market and all that? I don't think this year. I think it will be slower. Europe and the US will be slower to develop. But I think within the next two to three years we'll start to see some valid subscription services getting tracked.